How does it feel tone in here?

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kickassangel Mon 13-Aug-12 22:43:23

I'm just pooling around on my iPad, wasting time, when I realized that Dadsnet is in the club section of mn and wondered how people felt about that?

Would it be more relevant to be in the parenting section, or does there even need to be a separate section?

Just curious, really, but it sort of feels like being a Dad is some kind of hobby group you might sign up to on a Thursday evening, when I suspect that really it's part of everyday life.

kickassangel Mon 13-Aug-12 22:44:20

Pootling, not pooling.

And any other auto-corrects I haven't spotted.

Snorbs Tue 14-Aug-12 11:02:12

Honestly? Couldn't care less.

Arguably there is no real need for a separate section for dads but you could say that about at least half of the topics in the list.

MrGin Tue 14-Aug-12 11:07:09

Can't say it really bothers me as such.

But..................but.................. I do feel that something more could be done to encourage dad's to join up to MN.

Clearly the name is a bit of a barrier for most and I don't think the majority would be happy if more dads started turning up.

kickassangel Tue 14-Aug-12 15:03:51

Sorry about typo in the title, should have read 'to be' not tone.

I just wondered how much thought and discussion went into where this section was.

And how do dads feel when women post here? I have seen some comments which imply that women are less welcome in this section. Personally, I prefer to think anyone can post anywhere. I mean, there are loads of posters who aren't even parents, so why have the implied barrier of dads v mums, although I see this as an attempt to make this more male friendly.

At least you don't have sub sections on car maintenance, football and mowing the lawn.

I agree about the name, but it's mainly historical, and parents net just doesn't sound the same.

MrGin Tue 14-Aug-12 15:50:30

I haven't seen any comments about women not being welcome in here, plenty do post, and to be honest it's so quiet in here I think we're all chuffed when a woman ventures in as long as it's not to tell us we're all entitled misogynistic bastards grin

Changlingz Tue 14-Aug-12 16:12:19

I've never seen a comment about women not being welcome in here either.

MrGin Tue 14-Aug-12 16:18:08

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UnimaginitiveDadThemedUsername Wed 15-Aug-12 11:34:15

Oh I wish I'd seen that!

UnimaginitiveDadThemedUsername Wed 15-Aug-12 11:36:16

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MrGin Wed 15-Aug-12 12:00:12

It was EPIC UDTU

UnimaginitiveDadThemedUsername Wed 15-Aug-12 12:15:17

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MrGin Wed 15-Aug-12 12:25:09

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UnimaginitiveDadThemedUsername Wed 15-Aug-12 12:42:21

Not just the threads - MNHQ pointedly renamed the FWR sub-folder

"Feminism/Women's Rights CHAT"

and made a RadFem sub-folder for the my-way-or-the-highway clique.

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot with both barrels!

madas Wed 15-Aug-12 13:00:18

Cant we have a rad dad section lol

MrGin Wed 15-Aug-12 13:27:24

grin

I like the sound of that. I quite like the idea of a lawn moving section too.

dranksinatra Wed 15-Aug-12 13:34:01

Rad dads for the win!

kickassangel Wed 15-Aug-12 15:22:40

Gin, I would love to see you moving a lawn.

I don't want to name people, but I have seen quite a few 'oh here come the women' or 'why are women on Dadsnet' type things.

But it seems strange to me that you are in chat. I mean, the only time you really need a separate section is to discuss what it's like to parent as a father rather than a mother, so it seems sensible to have you in the parenting section.

I'm quite sure that a lot of 'manly' topics would be popular with women as well, though we'll happily skip mowing the lawn and taking out the trash.

MrGin Wed 15-Aug-12 16:10:12

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madas Wed 15-Aug-12 16:36:54

I had curry btw a very tasty koh e avad mmmmmmmmmmmmm.

I answer threads as a mum, not dad, hope that's ok grin

madas Wed 15-Aug-12 16:45:43

I have no problem with who posts here tbh and as MrG said there is a difference in the male and female psyche.

AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 16:48:00

This place 'ere Dadsnet

Can't you think up some original stuff to talk about ?

8, count 'em 8 posts in to this thread, and it's another opportunity to slag off the "RadFems" taken up with some relish and gusto

The OP wasn't even about feminism. It certainly wasn't about pitting Dadsnet against RadFems.

So why do you keep making it so ?

I always look at the Dadsnet posts. I sometimes join in (and under other names wink ). I sometimes contribute to the bunfights. I would welcome more male posters on MN. But this "we daren't post because the horrid RadFem posters might come and get us" is getting a bit old.

Your continued delight at FB-gate does you no favours, and in actual fact, most of the "RadFems" to which I know you refer had absolutely no involvement in it.

Now you will think I am "stirring up trouble" of course. But you know what, you keep bringing it up. For no reason.

Changlingz Wed 15-Aug-12 16:55:13

From what I've read of radical-feminism I think there are very, very few Radfems on Mumsnet.

They mainly seem to be liberal-feminists.

Dittany was the main radfem but she doesn't appear to post anymore.

I think radical-feminism is anti-father and should be challenged at every opportunity.

madas Wed 15-Aug-12 16:57:33

But if people want to discuss radfems whats the problem ?

MrGin Wed 15-Aug-12 16:59:17

madas will you be having Risotto this week ?

Changlingz Wed 15-Aug-12 17:00:31

Good point madas.

It's an open forum, this is a very obscure part of it, as long as it's in the guidelines we can discuss what we want.

So radical-feminism what do other dads (or whoever) think about it?

AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 17:00:35

there isn't a problem, madas, but I would question why the same stuff from months ago keeps getting dragged up out of nowhere

and from this particular opening post to slagging off Feminism regulars within 8 posts seems, well, pretty tiresome

I get that it's a minority view though

KickTheGuru Wed 15-Aug-12 17:01:03

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AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 17:02:56

this feed appears on "Active Conversations" so it's not "obscure" in that sense

not well-trafficked, no

perhaps if there was less whinging about the Feminism regulars, you might get people more interested in coming for a chat about risotto'n'stuff

just a thought < ever helpful >:

Changlingz Wed 15-Aug-12 17:09:12

You can hide Dadsnet you know.

There's little traffic because not many men post on MN.

And when they do they get other posters telling them what they should or shouldn't discuss.

KickTheGuru Wed 15-Aug-12 17:10:03

Yeh so you will watched on what you say and then pounced on if it's not to the made-up forum guidelines...

If it is, you may continue your manly risotto conversation without much confrontation.

But we will be watching you wink

hmm

AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 17:16:09

I don't want to hide Dadsnet

I think it could be an interesting place, certainly there is lots more potential than to keep re-hashing the same ole resentments

I wouldn't dream of telling anyone what they can and can't post < removes Thread Police badge > of course.

Carry on slagging off posters who aren't even here. It's the way forward smile

madas Wed 15-Aug-12 17:16:33

It will be smoked haddock rissotto night on friday with a nice chilled chablis.

KickTheGuru Wed 15-Aug-12 17:18:20

Erm - it's done constantly in mumsnet...

Slagging off other threads and things said in other threads.

It's only allowed to be done by women though.

S'like that "10km Ladies Only" running race that men can't do that isn't sexist at ALL if a woman does it.

MrGin Wed 15-Aug-12 17:22:34

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KickTheGuru Wed 15-Aug-12 17:23:34

Not me. I'm on your side here

KickTheGuru Wed 15-Aug-12 17:24:01

I come with a sarcastic font that I forget to use

MrGin Wed 15-Aug-12 17:28:44

It will be smoked haddock rissotto night on friday with a nice chilled chablis.

Nice. I usually follow Rick Steins seafood risotto recipie here

It's awesome.

MrGin Wed 15-Aug-12 17:29:44

< hands KickTheGuru a glass of Chablis >

AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 17:31:44

side, guru ?

what "side" ?

< sigh >

this wasn't a thread about people being put off posting in Feminism (big yawwn, blah blah) though was it...so why are we talking about that ?

my point entirely

Changlingz Wed 15-Aug-12 17:34:00

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AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 17:34:26

Relationships topic, on a female dominated site, when human nature tells us that people primarily talk about bad relationships not good ones, is going to "whinge about men"

By that token, MrG, you are saying that Dadsnet exists primarily to whinge about Feminism

Is that what you are saying ?

KickTheGuru Wed 15-Aug-12 17:35:08

I have never heard of Rick Steins. shock

Is this bad?

My husband is about to come home and I am neither pregnant, not in the kitchen (although I don't have shoes on) and I've not cooked him a meal.

Crap. I am going to wife hell.

Is it wrong that I find it a strangely powerful position to be in??? grin

AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 17:35:22

Relationships topic is never quiet. Unfortunately.

MrGin Wed 15-Aug-12 17:37:00

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AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 17:37:45

Bringing up old resentments out of the blue is not shit stirring, oh no. No sirree.

Changlingz Wed 15-Aug-12 17:39:02

This is pathetic.

KickTheGuru Wed 15-Aug-12 17:40:18

Anyway!

That risotto does look lush. I think I am about to chuck a rack of lamb into some boiling water to defrost it.

Then going to do what my husband does when I am at work and quickly leg it around cleaning up and pretending I've been busy as all hell all day!

grin

MrGin Wed 15-Aug-12 17:43:40

KickTheGuru.

The Rick stein takes about two hours to make grin

MrGin Wed 15-Aug-12 17:44:41

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AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 17:45:09

Isn't it, changlinz ?

KickTheGuru Wed 15-Aug-12 17:45:30

Sensing marital disharmony if I start cooking something now that will take 2 hours.

I can create a diversion by just yelling at him as he walks through the door though?? ;)

AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 17:46:13

MrG, are you telling me I should stay on the Relationships board ?

Changlingz Wed 15-Aug-12 17:48:17

You seem to be desperately trying to start a confrontation.

MrGin Wed 15-Aug-12 17:48:27

My quick disk suggestion is a chicken and creme fresh pasta.

Bit of butter in the pan, garlic, lemon sage, and some cooked chicken breast in thin slices. Once the chicken bits are turning brown add the creme fresh, a little bit of lemon and salt / pepper and viola !

Takes about 10 mins.

MrGin Wed 15-Aug-12 17:49:04

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KickTheGuru Wed 15-Aug-12 17:49:40

Ironically, I made a massive batch of exactly the same on Monday - added some bacon to it and have been eating it ever since!

I have a lovely rack of lamb though that I think I will cook for dinner.

I have a fabulous husband so I think he deserves a nice meal tonight smile

OwlLady Wed 15-Aug-12 17:51:11

this section was set up for pan
years ago

back in the old days when people were less argumentative

AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 17:53:34

Those deflection skills need a bit of spit'n'polish, MrG

Enjoy your risotto

AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 17:54:38

Was it, Owl ?

That's interesting. I know he's been here for yonks. Did he talk to himself at first then ?

AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 17:55:33

wasn't there a fella called UnquietDad who hung out here (and elsewhere) too?

I bet he was a pioneer of Dadsnet also smile

MrGin Wed 15-Aug-12 17:56:22

God , how long has Pan been here ?!

AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 17:58:15

You GinnyComeLatelies don't know the half of it wink

KickTheGuru Wed 15-Aug-12 18:00:01

>>I am a ginny-come-lately<<

But I like men and I like the dynamic that they bring. They don't seem to have quite as many dramas.

>>puts lamb in water to defrost<<

madas Wed 15-Aug-12 18:01:31

Steak and salad for me tonight.

Changlingz Wed 15-Aug-12 18:01:40

I remember Mouldies and cod.

OwlLady Wed 15-Aug-12 18:02:17

pan has been here fopr years, before me I am sure. I joined when my son was about 1 i think and he is 11 now shock and I am no longer the mother of pre schoolers but a mother of a TEENAGER <faints>

OwlLady Wed 15-Aug-12 18:03:11

my teenager is older than my 11 yr old before anyone gets confused wink

i remember dadslib

AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 18:04:23

waaaaay before Mouldies and Cod

I don't remember dadslib..was that a poster or a topic ?

AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 18:04:43

Cod who ? < evil >

Changlingz Wed 15-Aug-12 18:06:44

Dadslib was a poster.

OwlLady Wed 15-Aug-12 18:08:06

mouldies was only a few years ago and cod still posts <rolls eyes>

dadslib was poster, snogged fairyfly at a christmas do <wets self laughing>

AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 18:09:38

agghh, scandal grin

tell us more !

this is much more interesting than arguing about the same ole crap

madas Wed 15-Aug-12 18:11:01

OwlLady, it was probably under the mistletoe ;)

AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 18:11:53

bugger, I have to go wrestle a cow into the oven

I shall be back for the juicy details later

OwlLady Wed 15-Aug-12 18:12:44

well I think that was as much scandal as it got until DL admitted on a relationships thread that he slapped his wife and then it was all over

actually that might not have been him confused there was another dad. I know with dadslib there was a big argument about who should and who shouldn't be called or specified as an engineer that got him into trouble once and a big debate about degree snobbery re. engineers.

Not very interesting eh? grin

you all get your knickers in a twist about allsorts now. We are of the forgotten generation

KickTheGuru Wed 15-Aug-12 20:08:14

You people made me stay on here and now my DH is cooking ME dinner

Whose-a-genius den?!!!

MrGin Wed 15-Aug-12 20:10:52

smile

please report back with a review

KickTheGuru Wed 15-Aug-12 20:52:56

Right, I made the salad and he grilled some chops. Chops were yum. Salad was good. I may tuck into ice cream.

How was risotto?

madas Wed 15-Aug-12 20:57:10

Thats fridays treat lol it was a nice steak tonight.

KickTheGuru Wed 15-Aug-12 21:00:50

I think we may pop out for a quick swim. I am a type 1 diabetic so I get to eat shit and then train and it doesn't kill me.

I traded the cycle for a swim though...

Steak is nom

madas Wed 15-Aug-12 21:04:41

Type 2 here, prefer to cycle tho.

KickTheGuru Wed 15-Aug-12 21:08:25

Triathlete until I was diagnosed just about 2 months ago with severe DKA, glucose level of 37 and hba1c of 15.9%. Nearly dead - yay!

Cycling is cool but I need to not have insulin and eat lots of shit grin

I tend to hypo though after heavy training in the early morning so it's a bit rubbish but the training is worth it

Then I can cycle for hours and not die! Hurrah!

madas Wed 15-Aug-12 21:13:54

couch potato until a year ago hb1ac 12.5 but down to 6.5 6 months later. Have still got more weight to lose but am on the right track. My shit eating days are gone (most of the time) I do miss chocs and puds tho sad

KickTheGuru Wed 15-Aug-12 21:18:02

HA I beat you with the hba1c grin

I've done well though - mine was done the other day and it's taken 2 months to get down to 7.8%

They said they thought me doing the stupid sports delayed how long it took for me to completely drop. But they also said I had about 3 hours left before I'd be dead and that my body took longer to crash, but crashed properly.

I've still not come across a type 1 with stats as cool as mine though. I started to vomit and we thought I was pregnant so we just kind of left it while I crawled to the kitchen eating ice chips. Turned out I was only nearly dead grin

How you feeling with it? You settling in to it now?

KickTheGuru Wed 15-Aug-12 21:19:35

Type 2 can be reserved though - so keep at it and you may wake up one day and be able to treat yourself with choc puds and stuff

The insulin means I can eat what I want. I guess I'm fortunate in that

KickTheGuru Wed 15-Aug-12 21:19:47

Reversed rather hmm

madas Wed 15-Aug-12 21:29:53

When i saw your stats i thought bloody hell you did have a narrow squeek lol
It has turned my life upside down for the better, i eat better exercise more. At my age im pretty much stuck with it, its just more of a damage limitation thing.

KickTheGuru Wed 15-Aug-12 21:32:24

Yeh mine isn't a big deal but I find that insulin is just happier when I go for a walk. I need to watch when I train (but for me, it's a reason to gobble ice cream before I go out), but I'm definitely more aware.

"At your age"!?? You can't be that old?!! wink

madas Wed 15-Aug-12 21:37:16

I will admit to being over 30 smile

KickTheGuru Wed 15-Aug-12 21:38:06

So am I! Not by too much though grin

madas Wed 15-Aug-12 21:39:07

plenty more for me lol

AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 21:39:10

that dadslib sounded like a charmer smile

MrGin Wed 15-Aug-12 21:48:18

I will admit to being over 40 sad

smile

No noms for me tonight. I rarely eat in the evenings.

madas Wed 15-Aug-12 21:50:51

ok im 51 there you made me own up.

KickTheGuru Wed 15-Aug-12 21:50:53

Wow you're all young! grin

Why on EARTH do you not eat in the evenings? It's the only meal I have with my husband so the only one I put any effort into.

>>rubbish wife??<<

(Obviously excluding tonight where the only effort I put in was to thank him for cooking for me)

MrGin Wed 15-Aug-12 21:56:24

Madas.......... you old git grin

< elbows in ribs >

Actually most of my dearest friends are older.

I don't have diner unless my dd is here. I'm single and it's too much hassle cooking for one so I just have lunch. Simplifies my life a bit.

< stops ignoring AF >

How was your cow ?

KickTheGuru Wed 15-Aug-12 21:59:25

Aw it's like being in the twilight zone... grin

madas Wed 15-Aug-12 22:05:03

Mr G, guilty on both counts smile

AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 22:24:10

You talkin' to me now, MrG ?

I don't have to bog off back to relationships (which is seriously upsetting and depressing atm..) ?

The cow was very nice, and I always eat in the evenings despite being over 40yo. In fact I probably break all the healthy eating rules and eat the majority of my food after 6pm and stuff that is bad for me.

I had rag puddings (suet puddings with cow in them)...it's a northern thing, with chips, gravy and < ahem > frozen peas. Then cake. I should be dead.

MrGin Wed 15-Aug-12 22:36:33

smile .

Well I'm sure you'll sleep well AF after cow pudding and chips ;)

Which is what intend to do now.

Night

AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 22:59:15

good night

I shall heave my cow-filled carcass around my sofa for a little while longer

AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 23:00:01

I might even have a small glass of red

for medicinal purposes, you understand

LePan Wed 15-Aug-12 23:21:38

yes, there was a big bang and the earth cooled.... and after a while (missing out the boring bits), MN created Dadsnet just for me. smile

AnyFucker Wed 15-Aug-12 23:35:16

heh

kickassangel Thu 16-Aug-12 00:36:50

Jeez, I spend a day doing stuff with the family, log back in the moment I can get some wi-fi and all hell broke loose, then neatly resolved by a bit of chatter about food.

Pan, all hail, the origin of Dadsnet. I'm impressed.

Btw, just had a v late lunch at hard rock cafe, followed by a walk by Niagara Falls and a visit to Hershey's store. Dh had a couple of pints and is now snoring like a trooper. Dd is hungry and I have no food for her.

MrGin Thu 16-Aug-12 07:54:49

mmmmmmm food.

So was it just you in dadsnet originally Pan ?

< sits down cross legged at the foot of Pan's big armchair >

UnimaginitiveDadThemedUsername Thu 16-Aug-12 12:27:03

Bollocks. Missed the action again!

Don't see why an extremely slow meta-discussion about the Feminism folder between me and MrGin means a telling-off, but there you go.

Anyway, I am intrigued by how others make smoked haddock risotto, as I once thought I'd invented it. I break it up and poach it in the rice towards the end with peas. But I know my dear old mum thinks you should poach an entire fillet and balance it on the top when serving up, which I think is bonkers and making unnecessary washing up.

UnimaginitiveDadThemedUsername Thu 16-Aug-12 12:28:55

Also, kickassangel:

If you're in Niagara, did you know that Capt. Webb (he of the swimming the Channel and matches fame) is buried in the US side of Niagara? He tried to swim under the Falls and came a cropper.

KickTheGuru Thu 16-Aug-12 12:37:35

Today, I am DEFINITELY cooking a rack of ribs.

Getting my Pink Floyd / David Gilmour fix and wondering if it's too early for a whiskey (kidding a bit)

Start my nooo job on Monday.

kickassangel Thu 16-Aug-12 20:09:16

In imaginative, we have been reading up on all the mad people who have gone over the top and been telling dd that we'll be sending her down. She says we won't do it cos in jail you don't get coffee.

I'd love to know how Pan feels being the master of the universe Dadsnet

Somebloke Thu 16-Aug-12 20:42:41

I stop posting on MN for a few years, and something interesting happens in Dadsnet while I'm gone... what are the chances?

LePan Thu 16-Aug-12 22:03:33

<adjusts long flowing purple robes>

A few of the good things about the 'tone' in Dadsnet:
- we all treat each other respectfully
- non-one tries to 'own' it.
- less is more (see curry/rissoto thread - class)
- we don't do trolls
- some are single parents, soley, some nrps, one or two sans children, one or two SAHD, some support Arsenal - but there's no competition.
- misoginistic women- reviling posts get ignored, or the posters are quietly shown the door.

You know, all the sort of things the rest of MN could learn from.grin

Changlingz Thu 16-Aug-12 22:07:50

I reckon men are less judgemental than women.

Sweeping generalisation.

LePan Thu 16-Aug-12 22:14:23

proportionally, posters in D/N work full time, I think, than the rest of MN, so there is less time to post, as well as having family stuff.
Yes, we're more likely to shrug when judgement is being invited, rather than launching into a judgey-pants rant. We're just cool.

LePan Thu 16-Aug-12 22:20:04

Just seen the 'women aren't sometimes welcome' thing - really?? - tbh I've not really seen that happen generally.

o, and I haven't been here since Noah was a lad! Off and on since 2006, when did a search for Highly Sensitive Children. I think UQD was here already.

KickTheGuru Thu 16-Aug-12 22:36:21

Men are tons less judgmental. You also tend to be able to largely use your brain for thought while women use so many levels of emotion, a spaceship couldn't get through

MrGin Thu 16-Aug-12 22:38:14

Isn't Smoked haddock risotto more of a kedgery ( sp sorry ) ?

My mum used to make it . tWas yummy.

Pan. < bows and makes elaborate arm gestures >

That's a pretty good summery of your domain life in dadsnet. I would hope that we could actually make it more active here. It kind of seems a bit more lively recently.

I also really like the idea of calling it radDads more for humour than anything else. More in the vein of skateboarding than politics.

And from there..... we can take over MN with our evil plans of domination ! Mwahahahaha ! Who's with me ?!

Sorry . Been to a works leaving do. I may have had some beer. Possibly a single malt...

LePan Thu 16-Aug-12 22:49:30

Works leaving do you say MrG! I did a 5 mile run after work. Have 4 years to impress the selectors. #preparingforRio grin

MrGin Thu 16-Aug-12 22:54:02

Well if there's a holding you bladder whilst on a train I may be in the running. Two more stops.... Come on!

I'm at the feeling yr pulse in yr Johnson stage...

LePan Thu 16-Aug-12 22:56:37

c'mon, problem solving skills needed. Use the toilet on the train.....??

MrGin Thu 16-Aug-12 22:58:58

One more stop. Come on team GB!

MrGin Thu 16-Aug-12 22:59:41

There is no loo on the train !!!

LePan Thu 16-Aug-12 23:02:48

<prepares rostrum, gets out work lanyard and id badge as medal, wonders who collects silver and bronze..>

TuftyFinch Thu 16-Aug-12 23:07:07

I made blackberry rumble today.

MrGin Thu 16-Aug-12 23:08:31

Oh yes !!!!!!! smile

relief .

<Finishes reading bizaare thread>

I may visit here more often smile

I feel should add something. I had pizza for dinner.

What's blackberry rumble?

TuftyFinch Thu 16-Aug-12 23:16:11

It's blackberry crumble. With apples and pears. What sort of pizza?

Ohh that sounds yummy, it was mushroom, ham and olive but the ham was not naice so we had to pick it off grin

LePan Thu 16-Aug-12 23:19:40

I had an innocent smoothie, an energy gel bar, lean steak and an isotonic drink. You know, in case any Team GB selectors are monitoring......hmm

Wtf is a gel bar?

<Picturing hair gel>

MrGin Thu 16-Aug-12 23:23:38

Blackberry rumble sounds nice. What is it ?

Pizza sounds pretty right about now too. smile

LePan Thu 16-Aug-12 23:23:45

It's a gooey mess in a plastic wrapper that is optimally designed with protein and carbs to help in repairing damaged muscle tissue and replenishing glycogen levels.

You wouldn't like them. They taste shite.smile

TheGame Thu 16-Aug-12 23:25:22

Tell it how it is Pan. grin

AnyFucker Thu 16-Aug-12 23:25:45

did you piss out of the window, Mr G ?

I can hear twittering somewhere, in the distance,it must be a summer evening in my garden

AnyFucker Thu 16-Aug-12 23:27:28

Pan, you would get the same effect from a coke and a burger

really

LePan Thu 16-Aug-12 23:28:13

That's indeed how it is/was, TheGame!

LePan Thu 16-Aug-12 23:29:09

Hmmm..you're not an elite athlete, are you, AF?

TheGame Thu 16-Aug-12 23:29:49

Oh arses mid new name change thingy and this was a temp one for another thread. Need a new name otherwise there is going to be a lot of unhappy mnners

TuftyFinch Thu 16-Aug-12 23:30:56

Those gel bars sound awful. Wouldn't a banana work? The rumble was delicious we picked the blackberries in the woods. The custard was made by Birds. We had jacket potatoes but they were a bit burnt because the dog ran away and me and DC had to run through our village, covered in mud and blackberry juice, shouting her ridiculous name. DCs were wailing 'she's dead! she's dead!' all the while. She'd run home silly dog.

Ahh right, yes they sound lovely <gags>

AnyFucker Thu 16-Aug-12 23:32:12

Pan, I am an elite something

athlete, I dunno

MrGin Thu 16-Aug-12 23:33:22

No AF. Thank god I live in the sticks. Exited train ran walked into
woodland, found a niace tree and Had a pee.

There was a guy oppersite me on the train who was pucking up which was a bit much , though he had the foresight to be equiped with a large plastic bin bag. Sorry tmi.

Thankfully am home now.

Loving "the custard was made by birds!" I'm totally picturing those little blue bird friends of snow white flitting around your kitchen grin

TuftyFinch Thu 16-Aug-12 23:34:07

AF you can just be elite.
My name is AF and I am elite.
Or you could be an elite funny cow pie person.

Also dying to know the ridiculous name of your dog...

AnyFucker Thu 16-Aug-12 23:35:44

I had kiev this evening

I like a bit of Russian

TuftyFinch Thu 16-Aug-12 23:36:14

MrGin I have instructed DC never to pick blackberries lower than their knees because a MrGin type person or a dog may have weed on them.

What type of cow goes in these little puddings then? Like bits of steak? Mince? I must admit it doesn't sound extremely yummy but then I'm not keen on suet <pointless post>

LePan Thu 16-Aug-12 23:37:32

Dog's name demand..we won't laugh. Much.

TuftyFinch Thu 16-Aug-12 23:38:51

MrsRhett it's a noun. A bit like table but not. It's enough of a noun to make me sound mad when I'm in the woods shouting her name. We made the mistake of letting DC name her.

Chicken kiev? With garlic and all that? I luffs them, I think I shall cook those on saturday, I haven't had those in ages.

MrGin Thu 16-Aug-12 23:39:41

I'm starting to picture AF's cow pie like Desperate Dan's. With horns poking out the top. ;)

AnyFucker Thu 16-Aug-12 23:40:45

suet ?

what's not to like ?

saturated fat galore

beef puddings...steak < beef cow>

jam roly poly ?

food of the gods !

I misread pan's post and thought the dogs name was Demand! grin

Oooh never let the kids name the animals! We now have an ABD named Anabella due to making that mistake smile

It may be pretty but it sounds stupid when you're stood in the field shouting it out

MrGin Thu 16-Aug-12 23:42:25

I had a butternut squash curry from works canteen for diner.

It was horrid.

Also. I would avoid pee-ing on blackberries. That's just wrong.

NewStartSameStory Thu 16-Aug-12 23:43:20

Now I am hungry again. And I have strange cravings for food I wouldn't normally want. Although crumble sounds lovely. Apple crumble making at nearly midnight would be wrong wouldn't it.

yes i got rid of the other name, TheGame was just tooo evil

Hmm, maybe a jam roly poly, yes, I could definitely eat one of those. They don't count as suet then on account of being yummy anyway

Crumble making is never wrong whateveryournameisnow wink

AnyFucker Thu 16-Aug-12 23:47:56

somebody I know is intent on scattering her deceased partners ashes over the blackberry bushes they used to frequent together

MrGin Thu 16-Aug-12 23:48:08

I'm thinking of a name change.

I thought MrG or just 'G' then I thought 'Kenny G'

LePan Thu 16-Aug-12 23:50:38

Master Gee was one of the Sugar Hill Gang? < shows age and dodgy music tastes..>

shock AF! No way! Any chance you can follow behind with a watering can?

<Sick face emoticon>

TuftyFinch Thu 16-Aug-12 23:52:56

I bloody love suet but I don't eat the animals. If someone made a soya pie like Fray Bentos I would eat them every day. When we lived in London there was a pie and mash shop that sold vegetarian pies, mash, peas and gravy. It was my favourite place.They sold it to a national chain to sell overpriced burgers. I don't want a burger with a giant mushroom and cheese thanks all the same.
MrGin I'm glad you don't wee on blackberries. I'm sure others do.

BigG? (Assuming you are big of course) grin

Changlingz Thu 16-Aug-12 23:53:24

I had a KFC.

Very healthy and nutritional.

Changlingz Thu 16-Aug-12 23:54:08

What about 'GSpot' ?

No one would ever find you.

AnyFucker Thu 16-Aug-12 23:55:11

G-force ?

G-string ?

Rhett, I always speaka da truth

I am going to facilitate the blackberry bush ash-scattering. It's all dust dust innit

I could eat a toasted twister right now mmmmmm

MrGin Thu 16-Aug-12 23:56:43

BigG ? Well I'm 6'3" so possibly.

6'3" tall that is.

LePan Thu 16-Aug-12 23:56:44

What about 'GSpot' ?

No one would ever find you.

Ha ha ha ha!!

AnyFucker Thu 16-Aug-12 23:58:06

changlinz you did a funny grin

grin changlingz!

Yes, dust is dust is dust. I guess... grin

AnyFucker Fri 17-Aug-12 00:00:10

I would rather dust than piss on my blackberries

Changlingz Fri 17-Aug-12 00:00:15

I though it'd been missed.

I did a fantastic joke about Volvos the other day as well.

I'm a funny guy.

<Wonders what could possibly be funny about a volvo> good solid cars them.

AnyFucker Fri 17-Aug-12 00:01:50

steady on, changlinz, you are only as funny as your last post wink

TuftyFinch Fri 17-Aug-12 00:02:09

What about taking a cutting of the brambles and planting it with the ashes in her garden?
What about Gordon? MrGin is a nice name. MrWine? MrVodka? No, they don't sound the same. I think it's because 'Gin' sounds like the name of someone in a Famous 5 book.
"George peered through the blackberry bushes and saw Mr Gin eating the ginger biscuits that Mrs Jackson had made. George immediately ran to the cave on the lovely Devon beach where her and her friends were allowed to spend a blissful summer with hardly any parental interference ...

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 00:02:35

I laughed out loud at the Volvo joke Changeling.

AnyFucker Fri 17-Aug-12 00:02:57

my husband drives a Volvo

it's funny in the snow....it's undriveable

how could a Volvo be undriveable in the snow ?

but ut is

AnyFucker Fri 17-Aug-12 00:03:12

it

Was there really a volvo joke? Tell tell <claps hands excitedly>

TuftyFinch Fri 17-Aug-12 00:05:24

i've got a Volvo - love ebay. But it's like driving a speedboat. Is that normal? We havn't got to the snow yet. We change cars like pants in our house. And sofas.

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 00:07:02

Originally I was Gster until I found out it was short for gangster. Then bupcakesandcunting suggested Ginster which became Gin and then I added the 'Mr' for the sake of clarity.

I'm a lazy git believer in less is more so 'G' appeals.

Volvos are like tanks ime

AnyFucker Fri 17-Aug-12 00:09:19

Volvos are great if you have kids, dogs, and need to carry around your new sofas

G is also short for gangster btw

Inneedofbrandy Fri 17-Aug-12 00:10:52

Hello dads net <waves>

Yeah, volvos have to be dirty too. Its the law.

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 00:11:58

MrG would make you sound like a school teacher.

Some bastard ate the apples. sad who eats cooking apples raw? confused

I could picture a teenager doing that. Do you have any of those?

AnyFucker Fri 17-Aug-12 00:14:38

whoever ate the raw cooking apples should become evident around 4am

grin

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 00:15:53

'MrG' is enigmatic, cool, slightly edgey, a hint of promise. Suits!

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 00:17:35

Hello inneedofbrandy

arf @ the apples at 4am

TuftyFinch Fri 17-Aug-12 00:18:30

Why are cooking apples different? I mean,I know they are but are they grown as 'cooking apples'? Can you get cooking apple trees? I just use the stuff in the fruit bowl that's about to turn. A bit like jacket potatoes. Are they just big potatoes or is there a special jacket potao plant?

AnyFucker Fri 17-Aug-12 00:18:35

"MrG" could be The MilkTray Man

AnyFucker Fri 17-Aug-12 00:19:03

change your name to MilkTrayMan

forget this G crap

TuftyFinch Fri 17-Aug-12 00:19:08

helloinneedofbrandy

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 00:19:37

How about MrWee ?

People might think you were going a bit '50 shades' though... Mr Grey? MrG?

Ahh its late and I'm tired but its a definite possibility.

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 00:20:22

grin AF.
No teenager. But why eat the apples and leave the chocolate? confused

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 00:20:34

yeah AnyFucker is brilliantly placed to advise on name-changing......hmm...grin

TuftyFinch Fri 17-Aug-12 00:20:58

i could've out spaces ^. I didn't. My space bar is malevolent.

TuftyFinch Fri 17-Aug-12 00:21:44

MrPoloNeck

Oh I'm loving MilkTrayMan!

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 00:24:03

Tufty - cooking apples are generally larger and more acidic then eating apples. Can give you a nasty tummy if you eat then raw in large quantities. They are bramley? apples?

Inneedofbrandy Fri 17-Aug-12 00:24:35

Oh you could choose another drink like MrJDandCoke and forget about the G...

AnyFucker Fri 17-Aug-12 00:24:35

MilkTray Man

dodgy, stalkery cat burglar bloke in tight black leotard, tights and school pumps

what's not to love ?

AnyFucker Fri 17-Aug-12 00:26:04

Pan, I have to remind you that I won the Xmas name change competition in 2011 (or was it 2010)

one of those anyway

AnyFucker Fri 17-Aug-12 00:27:04

cooking apples eaten raw will make you poo through the eye of a needle

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 00:31:01

MilkTray Man

dodgy, stalkery cat burglar bloke in tight black leotard, tights and school pumps

< closes curtains and turns lights off >

AnyFucker Fri 17-Aug-12 00:33:09

you hoping for a visitation, MrG ? grin

TuftyFinch Fri 17-Aug-12 00:34:10

oooh, lookl ovely chocolates on my pillow.

AnyFucker Fri 17-Aug-12 00:34:31

me ?

I buy my own fucking chocolates

< reverts to type > wink

on that note, I am off to bed also

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 00:34:48

AF - Bait. Rise to.grin

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 00:38:33

.... because the laydeee lives milk tray.

WTF is a milk tray anyway. Sounds totally impracticle.

Night AF.

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 00:40:28

Lives - loves...... Whatevers smile

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 00:43:40

I think sleep is calling me too.

< reverses out of thread bowing to the purple robed overlord of DN >

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats Fri 17-Aug-12 00:51:57

I hope you're all happy...Now I'm hungry! angry grin

kickassangel Fri 17-Aug-12 02:12:37

Can't get cooking apples in the US. Mind you, far too warm at this time of year to turn the oven on. Crumbles will have to wait for a month or two.

Fwiw, if any of you evert think of coming to Niagara Falls I would say that the falls are impressive. The town around it is more like a down market Blackpool. We are hoping to find McDonalds as possibly the best quality food in the area.

Maryz Fri 17-Aug-12 02:33:12

I am up because I couldn't sleep, and for some bizarre reason this thread was in "most active".

I have now read it, and am completely confused. It is so surreal that I am marking my place to ensure it actually exists and I'm not just dreaming it.

[baffled]

[hungry]

kickassangel Fri 17-Aug-12 02:42:31

Maryz I always post late cos I'm 5 hours behind the UK, which is bloody annoying when I log on at night and they've all been having fun without me.

Serious question now: how do you men feel about the threads like 'you couldn't make it up' where women do the men, bless, they can't help bring a bit stupid. I know it's light hearted but doesn't it get a bit wearing?

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 05:03:06

You definitely didn't dream it Mary.

See everyone complains about the uk climate but you can't be the land of rolling green fields and apples without rain. Rain is kinda essential to the essence of the UK.

EugenesAxe Fri 17-Aug-12 05:43:02

Clearly the name is a bit of a barrier for most grin

With all the crumble talk I was a bit paranoid my reply to the dessert apples thread was being ripped into as a WTF? moment. I was sitting with DS after bad dream (at 4am) and 'Shit - I told her 175g butter didn't I?' popped in my head and stressed me out so much I had to follow up. Now I can't sleep. I did hear someone get up to go on holiday (or dispose of a body, but I heard curt female commentary interspersed with door bangs, which suggests former), which is exciting.

AnyFucker Fri 17-Aug-12 07:44:47

Pan-joke. grin

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 08:16:09

Back on a train. sad

I'd really prefer to be in bed still.

MaryZ. This thread will eventually reveal itself to be a map of the male brain when printed out and property arranged.

Changlingz Fri 17-Aug-12 08:17:27

The 'you couldn't make it up' type threads are bizarre.

Imagine if you were posting that about one of your children

I assume it's some sort of defence mechanism, I think some women have a real problem with the man being competent in the house.

Thoughts?

Roll a number, write another song like MrGin heard the day he caught the train.

<all together now>

WOOAAAAH LA LA WOOOAAAH LA LA!

<clears throat>

Sorry bout that...

blush

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 08:40:10

I used to be on a car forum where regularly a 'women bless 'em' threads would start up. It was all " lolz my g/f put oil the window wash" or " my wifey thinks a circular bike ride from home has less uphill bits if we go anti clockwise" kind o stuff.

Whenever I see a "men aren't they daft" type thread on here it just makes me think women can be just as sexist as men behind closed doors , when in the company of their own sex......

KickTheGuru Fri 17-Aug-12 09:18:10

My husband - love him for all he is worth - does sweet fa around the house.

Women i think are more inclined to hate all men if one is mean. That said, i do think they are also more sexist

i would love nothing more than to stay home when we have a baby and be pregnant, barefoot and in the kitchen

i have a good career and i wouldn't say i am stupid but i would choose family over career

and i put money aside in case i need it but i will not plan for my marriage to fail

Changlingz Fri 17-Aug-12 09:55:33

The sort of post that amazes me is when someone complains about the way their partner has always been...and then proceeds to have children with him.

KickTheGuru Fri 17-Aug-12 10:02:06

Women tend to get bitter quicker...

We know men and women are different. My husband wouldn't see a sink of dirty dishes if they fell over and knocked him off his laptop. But he will do them if I ask. So I ask. Big deal.

Do you think "Relationships" is a very skew ACTUAL reflection on relationships or do you think there is an element of over-exaggeration?

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 10:03:53

I agree changlingz like women think getting married or having children will change a persons behaviour!

I dont think any external event will chane people it has to come from the person who wants to change and its rare that people see they have to change.

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 10:08:14

I think in relationship board people post when they are upset and emotional. If they posted after the shock or dust had settled i think it would be different.

KickTheGuru Fri 17-Aug-12 10:08:25

Our biological clock ticks louder than men's do. I think women will be quicker to hope that a man will change, and that the marriage / children combination is enough to sustain his shortcomings.

I think women are quicker to just "settle" - because our ovaries have a time limit

UnimaginitiveDadThemedUsername Fri 17-Aug-12 10:14:14

What's that old saying? Something about women marrying men and hoping they will change, whereas men marry women and hope they stay the same?

Changlingz Fri 17-Aug-12 10:15:03

I always thought I was being viewed as a sperm-donor!

KickTheGuru Fri 17-Aug-12 10:21:30

Changling You didn't really, did you??? Are you still married to the recipient of your sperm?

ArtexMonkey Fri 17-Aug-12 10:22:14

Women are like this, men are like this....

It's all bollocks isn't it?

I mean, comments like "ooh you men are so fab and non judgmental and soooo brainy with your brainy brains instead of silly emotions like us bitchy daft women" are just the flip side of "men are so stooopid, I would never leave my baby with one in case he wiped its bum with the dish cloth"

Aren't they?

It's not very respectful either way, and if you were saying these things about black people and white people instead of men and women, it would look well dodge.

Say what you like about feminists (and I see you do wink ) they're the last people to come out with this sort of claptrap.

KickTheGuru Fri 17-Aug-12 10:24:51

Artex I see your point. But while there are groups of people (be they black, white, male, female, asian or puppies), who have "Blacks Only", "Whites Only", "Men Only", "Women Only" etc etc, there will always be a degree of animosity and people will always be wary.

It's "against human rights" for their to be a "men's only" anything (apart from toilets - probably at female request) but "women's only" abounds.

Different rules does not a happy group of diverse people make

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 10:33:37

I think there are a whole gamut of different experiences and attitudes really. But generalizing I think men just aren't that bothered about tidiness to the same degree due to ( for want of a better word ) laziness.

I was just talking to a woman in the canteen who was describing how when she visits her dad ( in Poland ) , where her daughter lives, she goes into cleaning mode as soon as she enters the door.

She said to her daughter ' why don't you clean this corner of the floor ? ' and her daughter replied ' because you're the only person who ever looks there' grin

One of my dearest friends was a SAHD until he booted his wife out for having an affair. The contrast between before and after she left is quite apparent. It's not dirty in his home but there is certainly more clutter. More MrK's den of interesting objects and books that the Vogue interiors that it used to aspire to.

I've another friend who is a single dad and his place is generally pretty messy. I'm sure there are plenty of women who aren't that bothered.

And again there are a whole gamut of different situations. I remember when my parents ( fools ! ) used to go on holiday and leave me and my older brother at home as teenagers.

My brother knew that I'd freak out about cleaning the house up for their return before he did. I'd break first and do the cleaning. I'm slightly embarrassed to say that by about the third time this happened two female friends of mine would come and do the cleaning. Quite happily as I remember.

( disclaimer : I am a bit hung over my brain is not functioning on higher levels )

ArtexMonkey Fri 17-Aug-12 10:37:32

Oh ok Kick.

So it's ok to generalise because of women only gyms/swimming/toilets. sorry, my silly daft emotional non brainy thinky brain doesn't really get it.

peoplesrepublicofmeow Fri 17-Aug-12 10:37:45

must have missed this tread breaking the relitive quiet tranquility of dadsnet.

the fact dadsnet is in the club section doesnt cause me any lost sleep, but there is a feeling that when your a dad even if your hands on dad that your just playing at it and the children are the wifes department, she will get the final say in what is good for them, people have asked me if i'm 'babysitting' if i cant come to the pub.

ArtexMonkey Fri 17-Aug-12 10:38:56

<twirls hair>

<pouts>

KickTheGuru Fri 17-Aug-12 10:40:31

She said to her daughter ' why don't you clean this corner of the floor ? ' and her daughter replied ' because you're the only person who ever looks there'

So true!! My husband shrugs and says that he can't see what I am looking at.

I don't mind though. I think he understands that I feel that he supports me when he helps a bit (when we both work - if I stay home, then I take on the lions share of the housework and visa versa).

At the end of the day, when we are fortunate enough to fall pregnant, I will largely be able to stay at home for as long as I want and that's a big deal for me. He is happy to know that I squirrel money away for a rainy day.

I have never so much as snogged another man while I've been dating someone. Neither has my husband. I don't understand the "affair" culture and MN scares me into believing that it's so natural. That people just suddenly wake up one day and go "I fancy cheating"

I like the support on here but I hate that "man bashing" aspect because I see no point in gender stereotyping. None whatsoever. Passed being a child, we allow people to treat us in certain ways and if you let your partner or parent or child treat you like a dog, then you can't exactly blame everyone else for it.

UnimaginitiveDadThemedUsername Fri 17-Aug-12 10:40:52

This thread aside, 'Dadsnet' is like a club. A gentlemen's club, where nothing much happens aside from the occasional rustle of newspaper.

KickTheGuru Fri 17-Aug-12 10:42:57

when your a dad even if your hands on dad that your just playing at it and the children are the wifes department, she will get the final say in what is good for them, people have asked me if i'm 'babysitting' if i cant come to the pub.

Really?

Changlingz Fri 17-Aug-12 10:44:02

You are allowed to generalise in Dadsnet.

It's perfectly acceptable.

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 10:44:59

This thread aside, 'Dadsnet' is like a club. A gentlemen's club, where nothing much happens aside from the occasional rustle of newspaper.

We should have a rustling newspaper thread.

KickTheGuru Fri 17-Aug-12 10:46:51

.. Ahem..

>>rustles paper<<

>>changes leg on knee<<

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 10:47:59

This is what it actually looks like in dadsnet.

here is LePan ( blessed be his name )

and

here are the rest of us preparing to make salutations.

Changlingz Fri 17-Aug-12 10:49:50

This was a great post by Unquietdad.

' I have been here 4 years and Dadsnet has always been a bit like a quiet, empty bar with the odd bloke nursing a pint, some football on a screen in the corner, a buxom barmaid looking surly...

...and a loud, wild, hilarious party of mostly women going on in the room next door.

Occasionally a tipsy woman will stagger in through the doors, clutching a bottle, wearing a party hat and blowing a party vuvuzela. She will then laugh uproariously at us, say what a bunch of saddos we are in here and invite us to come in and join the proper place if we have the balls. She will then slosh and teeter her way back through the door again, cackling madly.'

KickTheGuru Fri 17-Aug-12 10:52:35

Can I be the token laydee?

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 10:53:21

smile

KickTheGuru Fri 17-Aug-12 10:53:47

Or the buxom barmaid? grin

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 10:54:43

Sorry that was to Changelingz.

KicktheGuru, all are welcome in here. Well apart from extremists from any side of the divide.

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 10:57:32

Can i be one of the saddos nursing a beer please?

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 10:58:59

<rustles newspaper>

KickTheGuru Fri 17-Aug-12 10:59:30

>>buxom barmaid pours the beer<<

I'm back at work on Monday.

>>buxom barmaid necks four tequilas in quick succession <<

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 10:59:50

<takes a sip of beer and puts head back in newspaper>

Changlingz Fri 17-Aug-12 11:00:12

We're equal-opps.

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 11:01:20

< pops out for a roll up >

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 11:01:36

< i mean pipe >

KickTheGuru Fri 17-Aug-12 11:02:17

So...do we discuss what's happening in the news?

Or do we silently just read it and not commet?

>>wonders how the talking goes on with all the newspaper reading<<

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 11:02:22

Im hiding as i seem to be upsetting people this week, im blaming it on my chest infection and being too blunt with people sad

KickTheGuru Fri 17-Aug-12 11:03:13

I always upset people. I actually come with a disclaimer

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 11:07:53

A female friend i worked with over five years ago txt me this week that she is getting married in two months but has not sorted a venue yet. I told her she would be lucky as most places are booked up 6 months in advance. Then she posted on fb that she and her partner have been accepted in the orthodox church where they are getting married in two months time. So she has been to church for the past five years and has been living with here partner for 7 years. It reminds me of the placebo lyric "living in sin while asking God to let her in"

I just dont get it!

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 11:10:46

I think you've got the wrong thread anairofhopeFORGOLD grin

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 11:11:34

I know it's massively confusing having more than one post per day in here. ;-)

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 11:11:50

<takes sip of beer>

So whats your fav alcoholic beverage?

KickTheGuru Fri 17-Aug-12 11:12:22

Ha is that what happened???

See? Chicks talk

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 11:14:02

I was explaining how i upset people lol

im not bothered one way or the other. Im just amazed by the twisted reasoning behind it hmm

KickTheGuru Fri 17-Aug-12 11:16:22

>>whispers<<

I like running into the extreme parenting threads and winding them up, then hiding the thread. blush

It's actually becoming a bit of hobby of mine

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 11:16:33

Bugger ive outted myself as a chick lol

must shut up more al le bart simpson

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 11:19:07

Kick - love it. I only wind the op up if i think they are taking the piss!

KickTheGuru Fri 17-Aug-12 11:21:06

I think the scary thing is "what's WRONG with me breastfeeding my 4 year old while my husband sleeps in another room? My baby NEEDS me" isn't actually the OP taking the piss shock hmm

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 11:22:31

I once mis-posted ( thinking I was posting in an old clique ) in the middle of some raging argument about God knows what that I had my favourite underpants on and was putting the party music on grin

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 11:24:23

MrGin i remeber that so funny lol

KickTheGuru Fri 17-Aug-12 11:26:32

Message deleted by Mumsnet for breaking our Talk Guidelines. Replies may also be deleted.

Changlingz Fri 17-Aug-12 12:14:13

KTG. What on earth did you say, and who would report it?

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 12:20:56

? Eh ? Why on earth was that deleted / reported ?!

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 12:23:46

Oh for God sake, someone has been reporting posts all the way through this thread if you look back.

utter ........

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 12:24:43

< rustles newspaper in an angry fashion >

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 12:28:32

I am glad it is not just my med addled brain that is confused by the deletion. I like dadsnet/ the male pov as it is generally factual. Not as emotionally driven. Emotions and this house is like standing next to a tub of gunpower with matches. One false move and it is going to end badly.

And it was obviously not yesterday that the cooking apple eating occured. Everyone else slept soundly envy

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 12:31:10

The early deletions on the thread happened last night though. A couple of them had happened before I joined the thread.

Changlingz Fri 17-Aug-12 12:33:42

There's been a lot if deletions.

There's a saddo out there, poised to report.

Get a life.

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 12:35:35

Oh well , whatever. Life goes on. If some trigger happy lemon sucker is hovering over the report button more fool them.

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 12:40:10

< pulls a party popper >

peoplesrepublicofmeow Fri 17-Aug-12 12:40:34

hahaha changlingz , this really made me laugh

^' I have been here 4 years and Dadsnet has always been a bit like a quiet, empty bar with the odd bloke nursing a pint, some football on a screen in the corner, a buxom barmaid looking surly...

...and a loud, wild, hilarious party of mostly women going on in the room next door.

Occasionally a tipsy woman will stagger in through the doors, clutching a bottle, wearing a party hat and blowing a party vuvuzela. She will then laugh uproariously at us, say what a bunch of saddos we are in here and invite us to come in and join the proper place if we have the balls. She will then slosh and teeter her way back through the door again, cackling madly.'^

why are posts getting deleated? seems odd to me it's a fairly innocent and no so serious thread.

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 12:47:04

What happened? Why the deletions? MNHQ please explain?

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 12:47:51

Goes off to see if anything i posted has got deleted.

UnimaginitiveDadThemedUsername Fri 17-Aug-12 12:54:42

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UnimaginitiveDadThemedUsername Fri 17-Aug-12 12:55:34

I suspect you'll be able to time with a stopwatch how long my above post remains undeleted.

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 12:58:28

Lol i think your right.

MrGin please dont namechange i like your nn sad

None of my post have been deleted :-p

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 13:00:17

The early deletions are because I dared to mention a rather unpleasant state of affairs which MN seems to want to forget, even though it's still happening. I've seen a raft of posts saying people are uncomfortable posting in FWR ( now chat )

put it this was I don't think it's a RadDad doing the reporting.

Why KicktheGuru's post above was deleted is a mystery. It was completely unrelated.

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 13:00:39

And lo, we're talking about it again !

UnimaginitiveDadThemedUsername Fri 17-Aug-12 13:03:33

Sorry.

UnimaginitiveDadThemedUsername Fri 17-Aug-12 13:03:50

RadDad - now that's a good user name.

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 13:04:17

Stop talking about it or the fred will go poof shock

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 13:05:41

(MrGin i now agree that girls smell like jam as my dd does maybe its cos they are sweet!)

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 13:06:25

I am eating a pasta bake. I have a chocolatey cookie too .

peoplesrepublicofmeow Fri 17-Aug-12 13:07:08

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MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 13:07:08

They do smell ( faintly ) of jam yes.

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 13:08:49

Meow. I do agree, but suggest we move on. I was / am as frustrated and angry as the next person but I'd hate for this thread to get given the heave-ho.

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 13:10:52

I have a coffee with soys milk in and a cheese butty. (We have run out of cows milk so im using the kids milk --bad mummy--)

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 13:12:16

My strike thru didnt work sad

peoplesrepublicofmeow Fri 17-Aug-12 13:13:00

i've eaten too much chocolate and now i feel a bit sick.

KickTheGuru2 Fri 17-Aug-12 13:13:32

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Changlingz Fri 17-Aug-12 13:15:25

Bizarre.

UnimaginitiveDadThemedUsername Fri 17-Aug-12 13:15:45

I have just had six hot dogs.

There was ketchup on them, so that's one of my five a day sorted.

Changlingz Fri 17-Aug-12 13:17:19

Wouldn't you get an email if you're being banned?

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 13:17:23

Erm. I think I was just banned from MN??

Eh ? Please explain. As you are still here.

KickTheGuru2 Fri 17-Aug-12 13:17:54

My husband wanted to buy those hot dogs in a can until he read "mechnically produced chicken and turkey offcuts"

I think he turned a bit green

KickTheGuru2 Fri 17-Aug-12 13:19:20

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KickTheGuru2 Fri 17-Aug-12 13:21:18

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Changlingz Fri 17-Aug-12 13:22:28

Very clandestine.

KickTheGuru2 Fri 17-Aug-12 13:23:18

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anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 13:24:22

Check your email account.

Thats weird!

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 13:25:49

Mn have to tell you why they ban you and you can appeal.

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 13:26:52

Maybe they deleted and ban the wrong person

<eyes Gin>

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 13:28:55

Kick is it just your post on here that has been deleted or have others gone too?

KickTheGuru2 Fri 17-Aug-12 13:28:56

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anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 13:31:51

Have you posted on any other thread today that your post was deleted on?

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 13:35:17

Didn't we tell you ? One post in DadsNet and your tainted I tells ya, tainted !

Marks place, hoping MrGin's suggestion that that thread will eventually reveal itself to be a map of the male brain, when printed out and property arranged, will in fact work wink

The deletions are confusing me too after reading the thread from beginning to end grin

TheDreadedFoosa Fri 17-Aug-12 13:35:52

Kicktheguru, email hq and ask for an explanation.
But you pretty much admitted to trolling and your posts, just on this thread, have seemed rather like an attempt provoke dadsnet posters to join in with derogatory comments. How i read it anyway. Luckily your comments have been mostly ignored.
I didnt report btw, but i dont think youll be any great loss.

KickTheGuru2 Fri 17-Aug-12 13:36:22

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MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 13:37:44

I think MNHQ owe you an explanation KTG .

I can't fathom what would be deemed delete worthy in your deleted post.

Maybe MNHQ has been stormed by a crack troop of radLems

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 13:41:53

WTF

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 13:43:06

Counting the seconds till ur post gets deleted.

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 13:44:17

That was aimed at gin.
Agree WTF?

UnquietDad Fri 17-Aug-12 13:44:47

Hello. I still lurk. Don't post any more though. Pan is right, I was here from about 2006-2011.

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 13:45:23

I think she's been deleted.

Oi MNHQ what gives ?

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 13:46:08

Bloody hell shock posts are being deleted all over the place! angry most of them for no obvious reason.

Changlingz Fri 17-Aug-12 13:46:53

UQD- a big hello.

This is very mysterious, and in Dadsnet as well.

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 13:47:34

Evening UQD.

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 13:50:15

I can only speculate she was banned for something elsewhere, but search just reveals she spends ages talking in conception.

I read her original deleted post and there was nothing what so ever that broke any guidelines or was in any way offensive, except maybe if you were a bone.

You missed a few by the way MNHQ.

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 13:51:07

Afternoon UQD

shock

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 13:52:49

And it only appears to be this thread on which she is deleted. Very odd. Mind you it is possible she has multiple names and she did something in a different name. I have given up trying to figure out mn logic.

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 13:53:03

*MNHQ logic

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 13:53:53

I dont get it. I read post and i still dont get why it was deleted.

UnquietDad Fri 17-Aug-12 13:56:46

No big mystery to my departure - it all got a bit much, that's all, combining with Real Life. And DW's on here now, so I risk saying stuff that could out me!

Who knows, I may come back and say the odd thing from time to time.

I got my head bitten off in the Feminist section a few times too. I think the problem with it is that a lot of the feminist posters are used to such fora being "safe spaces" where they can sound off without being challenged, and without men coming in and, as a certain notorious poster delightfully put it, "vomiting all over our table." (A real charmer, that one was.)

But the MN Feminist section isn't a feminist "safe space", it's a section for open debate, challenge and banter (though that word's become a bit Awkward Turtle) like any other. And I think that caused a few misunderstandings.

TheDreadedFoosa Fri 17-Aug-12 13:59:03

I love having a good old potter around Dadsnet, its calm and slightly goofy.

I think ktg was just here to stir up a bit of aggro. Good riddance.

TheDreadedFoosa Fri 17-Aug-12 14:03:02

Although i wish there wasnt so much harping on about FWR. Say what you have to say on the relevant thread but they're not your enemy.

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 14:03:34

I think it's oft forgotten that the FWR was / is an area for discussion about femism not and are for feminists.

Changlingz Fri 17-Aug-12 14:03:53

I just searched KTGs posts, she seems very innocuous.

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 14:07:13

I think ktg was just here to stir up a bit of aggro. Good riddance.

Well reading her un-deleted posts I don't see what you mean at all.

What do you mean ? I can't see her stirring anything up.

UnquietDad Fri 17-Aug-12 14:07:44

There was a stage when I was being robustly accused on the FWR of being an "MRA". I didn't even know what it was - had to ask.

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 14:07:47

I personally would never ever ever post in the feminism section. Despite the attempts of lrd to try to convince me that it is safe to do so. I prefer to be left in one piece after my postings and not be torn apart due to my inherent inability to make myself understood in a succinct manner.

Changlingz all of us who have searched her have the same conclusions which is why the insistence that she is only out to cause trouble confuses me.

peoplesrepublicofmeow Fri 17-Aug-12 14:09:22

haha, MNHQ are deleating so many posts i cant belive it!, if the truth is that a FB group was in operation why would they try to silence us from saying it.

stopping the truth from being told doesnt make it any less the truth. smacks of despotism!

Inneedofbrandy Fri 17-Aug-12 14:11:14

OO conspiracy, suits the gentlemans club feel though.

<<Lights up a cigar>>

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 14:11:19

Im confused sad

and a bit scared

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 14:12:01

<< starts whispering into lapel >>

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 14:13:34

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peoplesrepublicofmeow Fri 17-Aug-12 14:13:41

yes unquietdad, i've been accused of that, along with
cheast beating
victim blaming
what about da menz
thread derailing
being an anti-feminist
and of course showing up to show feminists how there doing it all wrong

TheDreadedFoosa Fri 17-Aug-12 14:14:12

She kept saying divvy stuff about women being emotional and bitchy and bitter, and then when no one was rising to it she starteD on about how as a mum her family came before career, repeated 'jokes' about being barefoot in the kitchen etc.

Was just odd, out of synch with the rest of the thread and as though she either wanted you all to join in and agree so she could sit back and enjoy the ensuing bunfight or she genuinely thought thats the kind of shit that makes you popular in Dadsnet.

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 14:15:12

Shit invasion everyone grab your OFRS and head to HMS Stratters. This way ->

peoplesrepublicofmeow Fri 17-Aug-12 14:16:12

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MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 14:27:13

I still don't see what you mean TheDreadedFoosa .

Maybe I'm thick or maybe men just take stuff on the surface and don't dig around for hidden meanings. < shrugs >

She posted, we read. There certainly isn't anything in her posts that warrant a banning. We're all adults not impressionable children.

SigmundFraude Fri 17-Aug-12 14:30:45

I think it was probably the bit where she said she went on the parenting threads with the sole purpose of winding them up. You aren't warned that you're about to be banned either.

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 14:32:50

Oh well . Life goes on ( again )

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 14:33:29

Was it her that said that Sigmund? I thought it was a little oot but isn't that what a lot of people do with fightclub AIBU? Go to provoke, rant and shout a bit?

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 14:34:03

Did it ever stop MrGin?

SigmundFraude Fri 17-Aug-12 14:41:32

I think it was, I could be wrong. Admitting to winding people up was a tad daft! MNHQ seem to be tightening up rules almost to the point of moderation..lots of report happy posters around though.

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 14:43:11

I think I feel a song coming on...

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 14:45:49

Bugger i said i wind op up but only on the threads that i know will get deleted such as thread with 'sadface' in!

I think to post negativly about cosleeping and extended bf was a bit off but if thats her opioin fine (tho i disagree)

I feel slightly guilty now sad

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 14:47:47

I think saying you're winding people up ( possibly in jest ) and doing so are two different things. Looking at her posting habits I don't really see it.

But who knows, sample reading her previous posts does not reveal a troll or goader.

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 14:50:01

Sockpuppet is a possibility I suppose.

Changlingz Fri 17-Aug-12 14:51:39

Ah. Yes a sock-puppet. Be interesting to see if someone else has disapeared.

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 14:53:38

Maybe!

Have to go take dd to doctors now for her excema but its rain. Its such crap weather here sad

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 14:55:27

"I never really mind the small things in life"

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 14:56:00

Well KickTheGuru and KickarseAngel ( the OP ) didn't overlap, I just assumed it was a name change mid thread, nothing wrong with that though.

Sockpuppetry would be her in discussion with herself, and she wasn't doing that.

Changlingz Fri 17-Aug-12 14:58:59

To be a sock puppet it would have to be someone on this thread.

The murderer is in this room.

Da da daaaar.

Professor Plum, with the candle-stick, in the Library.

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 15:00:50

I have asked mnhq why she was ban. They might tell us?

Wasn't me!

Trying to keep up but it's moving too fast for me grin

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 17-Aug-12 15:02:20

Afternoon.

We don't want to delete this thread but we do have to ask you all, please, to stop attacking other groups of posters on MN and to stop repeatedly posting details about the recent 'hoohah' in the Feminism section.

To continue to do so looks very much like goading/inflaming - and that's absolutely not on.

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 15:02:37

There are many kickarse type named posters, it was discussed on another thread a while back. And the op (kickarse) has clearly stated she is in a different timezone which is highly probably.

As they don't comment on policy can't fecking remember the acronim we are unlikely to know.

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 15:04:14

Helen why was a poster ban please?

peoplesrepublicofmeow Fri 17-Aug-12 15:05:41

MNHQ intervention!
is that a dadsnet first?

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 17-Aug-12 15:06:19

anairofhopeFORGOLD

Helen why was a poster ban please?

We tend not to broadcast our reasons for banning/suspending posters - not least because, sometimes, the suspension is only temporary.

However, we will drop this particular poster a line.

Changlingz Fri 17-Aug-12 15:08:03

I think posters have been trying to inflame the thread to get people banned.

SigmundFraude Fri 17-Aug-12 15:08:51

Is there a particular reason for not wanting anyone to discuss hoohah's? It is rather restrictive, I can't quite understand it, particularly since everyone knows the details anyway.

peoplesrepublicofmeow Fri 17-Aug-12 15:09:03

i like this thread ,happily bubbleing away tucked away here on dadnet, feels slightly naughty, subversive even.
we knew they had their eye on us with all the deleations but now Helen has erupted onto the page in shocking blue and reproached us, it feels close to dissention!

peoplesrepublicofmeow Fri 17-Aug-12 15:10:34

i would like to know the details too , all i'm getting atm is rumours and speculation.

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 15:13:59

Love the fact that it isn't dadsnet getting swept under the carpet.

<sets stopwatch>
<waits>

shhhh its a secret wink

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 15:20:09

Ok i didnt know not to ask!

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 17-Aug-12 15:20:54

SigmundFraude

Is there a particular reason for not wanting anyone to discuss hoohah's? It is rather restrictive, I can't quite understand it, particularly since everyone knows the details anyway.

Yes. Because it was a hugely upsetting period for many Mumsnetters. And since the details were discussed at great length at the time, anyone raking over all the details again does rather give the impression of goading/inflaming - which is against our Site rules.

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 15:24:25

Thing is that is does change the fact that the whole section of feminism can still be an incredibly intimidating area. It was before and it was after. Are you saying we are no longer allowed to voice this opinion?

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 15:24:41

Just for clarification.

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 15:25:10

ffs *doesn't change the fact

UnimaginitiveDadThemedUsername Fri 17-Aug-12 15:27:10

We don't want to delete this thread but we do have to ask you all, please, to stop attacking other groups of posters on MN and to stop repeatedly posting details about the recent 'hoohah' in the Feminism section.

To continue to do so looks very much like goading/inflaming - and that's absolutely not on.

Apologies, but I didn't think that mentioning the 'hoohah' in a folder that has less traffic than the Isle of Sark would be 'goading/inflaming'...

From now on, mum's the word.

<goes back to rustling the Daily Telegraph>

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 15:30:36

Yes, but it's all still going on Helen. I've seen at least 4 posts in the last few days of people saying they don't feel able to post in FWR. The same atmosphere is creeping back in there just under different names.

Many of those threads were a small group of people so I don't see how there can be mass upset amongst the MN massive really. Unless you feel the 'radFems' need special protection in some way.

It's not like we have been discussing it at length. Perhaps it should be in the talk guidelines. Don't mention the radFem wars of 2012.

I've always stayed well away from that area, as it's a tad too intimidating for me. And I do not understand a lot of what they seem to say. In fact I've missed this whole hoohaa it seems. Probably best from the sounds of it. <changes subject> Sorry Helen blush

So what are people cooking for dinner?

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 17-Aug-12 15:35:17

MrGin

Yes, but it's all still going on Helen. I've seen at least 4 posts in the last few days of people saying they don't feel able to post in FWR. The same atmosphere is creeping back in there just under different names.

Many of those threads were a small group of people so I don't see how there can be mass upset amongst the MN massive really. Unless you feel the 'radFems' need special protection in some way.

It's not like we have been discussing it at length. Perhaps it should be in the talk guidelines. Don't mention the radFem wars of 2012.

If you have a problem with another poster or a group of other posters, please do report them to us or mail with with your concern. We will then look into it. But posting about your problems with another poster or a group of other posters is counter to our Talk philosophy and, if it strays into a personal attack, is likely to get you deleted - or worse.

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 15:37:25

Is that also the answer to my question Helen? Think it don't post it, even if asked?

CheerfulYank Fri 17-Aug-12 15:40:27

I heard there was an underpants party!

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 15:43:43

lol.

I think at this point in the party CY the lights are all on, the police are here telling us which tunes we're allowed to play.

SigmundFraude Fri 17-Aug-12 15:44:24

I do kind of understand what you mean Helen..but raking over things tends to be human, rather than goading etc. And the hoohah that cracked off will always spring back to life, purely because it's unmentionable.

I do get that people have been upset, but to you go with the small minority and ban all mention for their sakes? Freedom of speech and all that.

Anyway, I haven't been talking about she who must not be named for a good while, so I'll continue along that road..

Lol cheerful grin

UnimaginitiveDadThemedUsername Fri 17-Aug-12 15:45:08

HelenMumsnet:

Just saw this of yours:

...it was a hugely upsetting period for many Mumsnetters...

Principally those who felt like they were being bullied out of certain boards.

Yet by deleting messages that are broadly in support of those people, you're like the school Head or Governors saying "Nope, there's no bullying here. Move along; nothing to see here..."

If there's still a problem, then you need to address the problem itself, not put sticking plasters over remote places like Dadsnet.

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 15:48:27

<< desperately tries to put trousers back on before a cavity search is ordered >>

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 15:52:55

but to you go with the small minority and ban all mention for their sakes?

Here here.

Treat the cause not the symptoms.

CheerfulYank Fri 17-Aug-12 15:53:44

<hops around on one leg trying to pull on yoga leggings>

I think that not being allowed to discuss things that have happened may lead to people discussing it off MN and then it gets to be a big "thing" that isn't strictly necessary.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 17-Aug-12 15:54:06

UnimaginitiveDadThemedUsername

HelenMumsnet:

Just saw this of yours:

...it was a hugely upsetting period for many Mumsnetters...

Principally those who felt like they were being bullied out of certain boards.

Yet by deleting messages that are broadly in support of those people, you're like the school Head or Governors saying "Nope, there's no bullying here. Move along; nothing to see here..."

If there's still a problem, then you need to address the problem itself, not put sticking plasters over remote places like Dadsnet.

But we did address the problem, UnimaginativeDad. At length on a gazillion Site Stuff threads.

The problem is, as far as we're aware, resolved. We certainly haven't had any reports to the contrary.

Therefore, repeatedly posting about it does look like an attempt to open old wounds and start another bunfight.

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 15:55:09

Jesus, Pussy Riot have just been jailed for two years. Russia is one f*cked up country.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 17-Aug-12 15:56:20

SigmundFraude

I do kind of understand what you mean Helen..but raking over things tends to be human, rather than goading etc. And the hoohah that cracked off will always spring back to life, purely because it's unmentionable.

I do get that people have been upset, but to you go with the small minority and ban all mention for their sakes? Freedom of speech and all that.

Anyway, I haven't been talking about she who must not be named for a good while, so I'll continue along that road..

It's not unmentionable, SigmundFraude. We're not trying to airbrush MN history.

But it is not on to post about it in a way that is accusatory or goading.

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 15:56:42

<starts to feel ignored>

THERhubarb Fri 17-Aug-12 15:57:04

Just read first page and then this one.

Let me guess. Something to do with the feminists?

MrGin Fri 17-Aug-12 15:58:36

Therefore, repeatedly posting about it does look like an attempt to open old wounds and start another bunfight.

What a few brief and broad comments in an obscure part on MN buried amongst a whole bunch of general chit chat is an attempt to start a bunfight ? What with ourselves ?

It's ridiculous.

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 15:58:37

Oh no Rhubarb mostly something to do with cooking.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 17-Aug-12 15:59:26

NewStartSameStory

Thing is that is does change the fact that the whole section of feminism can still be an incredibly intimidating area. It was before and it was after. Are you saying we are no longer allowed to voice this opinion?

It's fine to voice that opinion, NewStart. It's not fine to attribute the reason for that opinion to one Mumsnetter or one clearly defined group of Mumsnetters (both of these would be personal attacks).

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 17-Aug-12 16:00:32

MrGin

*Therefore, repeatedly posting about it does look like an attempt to open old wounds and start another bunfight.*

What a few brief and broad comments in an obscure part on MN buried amongst a whole bunch of general chit chat is an attempt to start a bunfight ? What with ourselves ?

It's ridiculous.

It doesn't matter where it's posted, MrGin. Our rules apply across all the boards, however great or small the traffic.

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 16:01:55

<awaits this policy to be applied to other groups who seem to be frequently targeted by generalised insults>

Thank you for the clarification.

THERhubarb Fri 17-Aug-12 16:11:00

I generally find it's not the group that is the problem, it's one or two very loud and determined posters behind whose aggressive posting style, other more sensible voices get lost.

I've had plenty of dealings with the feminist board myself. Sometimes I've agreed and sometimes not. What I've learnt is that most are highly educated, thoughtful and reasonable posters who view with disdain the more arrogant posters as they are well aware that this gives them a bad name. In fact I've had many PMs apologising on behalf of these aggressive posters who do their best to shout down every voice but theirs.

It's like when people outside of Mumsnet call us a "viper's nest" or accuse us of bitching and backbiting. Inside Mumsnet we know it's not like that at all, there are moments of gobsmackingly brilliant kindness, moments of raw compassion and moments of heartbreak. But what sticks in people's minds? Bunfights.

So I do try to be careful now when I generalise by talking about a group because I am well aware that the group is made up of individuals, many of whom do not fit the generalisation at all. The best way to deal with those loud-mouth posters who love the sound of their own voice (or the rant of their posts) is to merely ignore them and address the points made by the more articulate posters who often have their very valid points lost in the whole bunfight mist.

madas Fri 17-Aug-12 16:15:12

mmmmmmmmmmmm buns, stickier the better smile

SigmundFraude Fri 17-Aug-12 16:15:44

It kind of is unmentionable, because everytime it's mentioned someone (MNHQ or some self appointed 'hoohaa mentioning poster quasher') either deletes the post or tells them it is unmentionable and they must stop mentioning it.

I'm leaving this here anyway, I have 2 tiny DS's, high on Rainbow Drops, playing knights with predictable results!!!

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 16:21:06

Willy swords at dawn Sigmund?

If i wasn't under inforced bed rest I might take a trip out. Infact sod it i think a snack run to the shop using a car wouldn't be too much breaking the 'you must rest crappy rule' Although at this rate i am going to have to step away from the thread. Unless you can come up with an easy i really can't be arsed to cook but all i have eaten today is toast so need something proper with veg kinda solution for tea.

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 16:23:02

UQD. I evoke your name. You make yourself manifest.

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 16:25:51

When I went to bed we were discussing crumbles, diabetes, name-changing and MrG's bladder. I log in and we have MN Polizei crawling all over the place, slapping bans all over the place. What??

Mrgin2 Fri 17-Aug-12 16:28:34

Well I appear to have been banned, so I'll just use this last post before being shut down to say it's ridiculous.

All the best everyone. Take care. Love your kids.

bye

Mr Gin

Changlingz Fri 17-Aug-12 16:35:30

I've just been threatened to be banned.

So I'm off as well

By parents for parents, absolute rubbish.

Ta ta.

SigmundFraude Fri 17-Aug-12 16:36:54

What the hell is going on? Is this for real?

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 16:40:10

Offs. Sorry MrG and Changlingz

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 16:45:19

Has someone at MNHQ been drinking, or snorting stuff they shouldn't be?? Why are you looking at posts as if through a bendy mirror?

Pinot Fri 17-Aug-12 16:54:45

Good grief.

madas Fri 17-Aug-12 16:55:49

radfems 1 raddads 0

UnimaginitiveDadThemedUsername Fri 17-Aug-12 17:12:31

I've had an email too.

budhasbelly Fri 17-Aug-12 17:23:07

Go on, tell, what does a "you've been a very norty boy" email from HQ actually say?

Maryz Fri 17-Aug-12 17:30:58

Are all the menz going to be banned then? It seems a bit harsh to ban people for a general chat thread [baffled]

Maryz Fri 17-Aug-12 17:32:37

I mean, I haven't seen any of the deleted posts, but apart from asking a few questions I really don't see what MrGin has posted that has justified a ban [even more baffled].

I've seen an awful lot more posts being derogatory about "men" in general which may be deleted but the posters aren't instantly banned.

budhasbelly Fri 17-Aug-12 17:33:15

To be fair it wasn't the most thrilling of threads, wonder what's the back story?

THERhubarb Fri 17-Aug-12 17:34:20

FFS

Perhaps, you know, perhaps the dads have a point?
How many people have now spoken out against a few that are sullying the name of the many good feminists?
The trouble is that the loud advocators of radical feminism can be aggressive and intimidating and bullying. So how many more do you think say nothing and just leave Mumsnet?

How about a stricter moderating policy?

If so many people are speaking out about this, do you not think they have a point? Ok, some may not be putting that point forward very succintly and some may fall into the trap of blaming the entire group, which I can see is not fair. But there is an obvious problem and it's not going to go away by banning people.

Deal with the problem please.

Maryz Fri 17-Aug-12 17:34:27

Obviously someone is reading and reporting confused. And for some reason mnhq feel that banning everyone who ever mentions means we can pretend there wasn't ever a war.

All a bit Basil Fawlty, isn't it?

Maryz Fri 17-Aug-12 17:35:25

What Rhubarb said.

How many people would never, ever post on feminism because of one or two very vocal and aggressive posters? Banning everyone who says that isn't the answer.

Crikey it's all kicked off since I went to the supermarket with the DCs sad

I liked MrGin on threads, please don't ban him mn.

BlackberryIce Fri 17-Aug-12 17:41:38

This must be a MN record!

AnyFucker Fri 17-Aug-12 17:43:30

Message deleted by Mumsnet for breaking our Talk Guidelines. Replies may also be deleted.

AnyFucker Fri 17-Aug-12 17:47:54

I am off away for the weekend now, so my lack of any further discussion on this thread should not be interpreted as anything more than that

have a good weekend everybody !

SigmundFraude Fri 17-Aug-12 17:51:03

hmm

I think a small group has special untouchableness, a kind of otherness that elevates them above the rest of us mere mortals. Not too sure why, as it's been covered ^

LadyBeagleEyes Fri 17-Aug-12 17:51:52

I've just skimmed through this and half the posts are deleted anyway.
MrGin is on MN all the time, I've never seen him sayanything worth a ban.
I agree with AF of what I've read of kicktheguru's posts.
Agree with maryz about the Feminist board.

NicholasTeakozy Fri 17-Aug-12 17:55:55

What was a pretty innocuous thread seems to have been somewhat derailed. sad

TheDreadedFoosa Fri 17-Aug-12 18:02:37

Ah well, was all getting weird and snidey. No need for any of it.

So glad you posted that about kicktheguru, AF. Fely a bit twilighty in here with others claiming to see no problem with his/her posts...

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 18:18:15

Omg i take the kigs to dr get tea and everyone got ban shock

<off the look at emails>

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 18:19:58

I did not support the post about exterm bf and cosleeping and yes im a fem but this was ment to be a jokey thread!

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 18:20:00

Af/foosa in hindsight with respect to kicktheguru reviewing and reading carefully rather then skimming the posts before they went poof the likeliest reason for banning was not sockpuppeting but goading. It seems the definition of goading is actually incredibly narrow. In some respect this can be good in others it could stifle debate.

TheDreadedFoosa Fri 17-Aug-12 18:22:17

Newstart - i never mentioned sockpuppeting, think that was mainly MrGins and changelingz theory?

I have said i believe ktg's inention was to shit-stir.

TheDreadedFoosa Fri 17-Aug-12 18:23:52

And ididnt skim the posts confused
Iwas reading the thread last night.

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 18:25:11

You might not but perhaps other skim read? I know i did. I was acknowledging that in hindsight that banning should not be so surprising necessarily.

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 18:26:46

Af suggested sockpuppeting it was a combined response sorry if i confused.

TheDreadedFoosa Fri 17-Aug-12 18:29:47

Ah right, got ya

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 18:31:44

Well this is going to take a bit of digesting, isn't it? Would be really interested in which amoeba took the bother to live on the report button.

TheDreadedFoosa Fri 17-Aug-12 18:37:05

I dont do much reporting myself, and didnt report anything on this thread but i dont think the reporting was the problem, there was no need for this thread have dig after dig about a group of MNers who were not even part of the discussion.
Was all a bit weird really <shrug>

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 18:38:01

Tbh Pan it is entirely possible that mnhq have just been following a poster they have a hunch about, but needed more evidence. It is unlikely we will ever know.

Oh fucksache I've missed it all again

Who knew it could kick off like this on dadsnet!

<Sits down and reads newspaper whilst peering over the top so as not to miss more>

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 18:40:21

"there was no need for this thread have dig after dig about a group of MNers who were not even part of the discussion." Same could be said about a lot of threads still happens. but it was deliberately on the most part kept fairly general however it is a touchy subject and time is needed for healing on some parts.

TheDreadedFoosa Fri 17-Aug-12 18:40:26

YeaH, very possible the thread only got flagged up due to a fairly obvious troll trolling on it.

I rarely report anything myself but then again, I tend to stay away from AIBU or other controversial topics, so no need <wimp>

The final few posts deleted seemed innocuous enough to me and I did read the whole thread. Clearly I'm easily confused and the nuances of goading are lost on me.

TheDreadedFoosa Fri 17-Aug-12 18:43:02

Also true, newstart. But freds about freds and the like are almost always squashed wherever they are on the boatd ( if they ome to hq's attention, of course)

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 18:45:25

TheDread - yes, I never report unless it's very vitriolic or offense to whole groups of people. But this issue seems to be about the history of one poster in particular who insulted and undermined anyone who disagreed with them, but who doesn't seem to be around anymore. I'd referred to that poster a few times as did A LOT of people. But to do it in this quiet, sleepy backwater appears to attract much more attention. Totally out of proportion.

There is a massive inconsistency in deleting and banning practices. Perhaps an apology to those banned, or threats to ban, posters on this thread may be in order. MN have apologised before.

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 18:48:02

Hey, I am not disagreeing that the situation needed dealing with, and that the fall out is/can be extreme in these situations but it seemed a little over harsh reaction when HQ came on to deal specifically with the issue with deletions and policy clarification.

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 18:50:06

NewStart - you mean kickthingy? Have never heard of him/her, so I don't have anything to say or offer. But banning/threats to ban on this thread's evidence to MrG, Unimaginative etc seems really excessive, and makes the 'enforcement' policy look fairly comic and ridiculous.

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 18:55:08

just checked emails - no threat issued.

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 18:55:30

erm... reading too many threads the clarification about poster thread which was linked to this is about to go poof.

Not sure which bit you are referring to Pan. I have too many meds in my system and my brain is mush as a result. can you clarify which bit of my posting you were refering to?

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 18:57:57

18:38, NewStart. I thought you were speculating on one poster here i.e kickthingy. Apols if not so.

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 19:05:35

It was meant as a generalisation but its wording could be seen as a specific hint.
The poster initially banned mentioned goading and if she had been reported on another thread but there was insufficient evidence then I am pretty certain monitoring wouldn't be inconceivable.
I am certain that troll monitoring/etc will require a certain amount of evidence gathering at some stage so for there to be posters being followed around the boards during quieter periods is not inconceivable to me. alternatively there really is a bright red flashing lights going off in hq for certain key words. Although the fact that they might be keeping an eye on possible troublesome posters is slightly more reassuring, and might hint that policy isn't as completely random as it might sometime be perceived.

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 19:08:43

Well it's worth asking MN to reconsider. I don't know how much MrG could be bothered with it, but I'll mail HQ to think again. He is nrp with a small dd and could use the other more worthwhile sections of MN, imho. I've been there!

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 19:13:56

I think is probably a fair assessment. Although I really don't know what good it will do. HQ are swayed little by the interference of outsiders. I am hoping that some of the other mnners might be able to support from outside the mn environment in the meantime.

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 19:15:01

maybe. mailed HQ in any event.

BelfastBloke Fri 17-Aug-12 19:16:04

LePan: "UQD. I evoke your name. You make yourself manifest."

Yeah, Pan, how do you manage that? It's like a strange mystical power you have.

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 19:17:22

BB - sometimes I surprise myself. thanks for not pointing out it should have been 'invoke'....

NewStartSameStory Fri 17-Aug-12 19:19:46

I am breaking house arrest before I go insane. will catch up later assuming the thread is still in existence.

BelfastBloke Fri 17-Aug-12 19:21:49

I was going to; but I suppose if you have mystical powers, maybe the power of grammar suffers. Or something.

By the way, Pan: you're a bunch of complete bastards.

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 19:23:59

I know. Not my choice but the other Wizard thinks otherwise.

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 19:25:30

and it isn't some much grammar, more diction.

kickassangel Fri 17-Aug-12 19:28:03

Ok, i don't have time to read all of this, but just to clarify a couple of things.

1. My name is KickASSAngel. Has been since 2003 and I do not name change.

2. This thread was meant to be a bit of genuine chat and exchange of ideas cos I was idly wondering something about Dadsnet.

Anything else that happens is nothing to do with me.

I used to live I the UK, now live in the US and am currently on holiday in Canada, so I shall now head off to have a late lunch with the family, and come back here this evening when it will hopefully have settled down and I will have had a drink to steel my nerves.

BelfastBloke Fri 17-Aug-12 19:32:12

Talking of Wizards, I've just written the geekiest post ever in a movie thread about The Hobbit.

BelfastBloke Fri 17-Aug-12 19:33:07

"it isn't some much grammar, more diction"

Or just simple spelling?

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 19:35:29

kickass - NOT YOU!! Really sorry! It's the other kickguru person that I at least was referring to. Am dipping in and out, so big apols for that confusion. Let it roll over you like a Niagra shower.

BB that truly is a geeky post. In fact I have no idea what you're talking about grin

Yes I did a search on your name for today's posts <stalker>

<Hands Kickass a stiff drink and the paper>

I feel like I've stepped into the Twilight Zone confused

FellatioNelson Fri 17-Aug-12 19:37:59

But AF I do think there is an element of truth to that I'm afraid. As women we say thing on here in gest about men, which taken out of context, or tunred on its gender head would be sexist and patronising, but the men are certainly not free to do the same without being pulled up very quickly. I wonder why, given that MNHQ have started Gransnet, they don't also start Dadsnet? I do think that apart from a few brave/foolish souls this place does not seem especially welcoming to them.

A handful of posters (MrGin being one) are very much on the same wavelength as women (that's a compliment by the way grin) and apart from sometimes offering a bloke's perspective on specific issues, you would not really know they were men - we are all just people - and parents, sharing opinions and having a laugh.

But some men are very much 'men' and the whole tone of their conversation (and the things they are inspired to chat about) are different from the bulk of MN topics, and the I think we just scare them off.

The trouble is, if we did have a Dadsnet dedicated website, it would get invaded by hardline feminists always wanting to point out how they are wrong about everything - it probably would not last 5 minutes. They couldn't make the jokes about their useless womenfolk who can't read maps, like we do about men's inability to stack the dishwasher or see things on shelves in front of their eyes - it would be taken all out of context and get nasty.

FellatioNelson Fri 17-Aug-12 19:39:06

There was some shit garbled grammar there, sorry. grin

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 19:39:14

could be spelling. But that is the very last refuge.
Will seek out your words BB.

Last Friday was at cinema with dd for Diary of a Wimpy Kid 3. Sweet, lovely, age-related stuff. She needs to move onto Stand By Me next.

WigGold Fri 17-Aug-12 19:40:22

Oh for the love of Nigel, you can't ban MrGin, surely?

BelfastBloke Fri 17-Aug-12 19:50:24

Well, MrGin WAS rustling The Daily Telegraph.

When did we let Torygraph readers in?

Somebloke Fri 17-Aug-12 19:51:11

Some years ago, when I went by another name, a poster started a thread declaring that Mumsnet should be a women-only website with all men stopped at the door. I'm not sure how she thought that would be achieved...

I politely pointed out I'd been here rather longer than she had, rather liked it, and didn't particularly like the suggestion that I should piss off somewhere else. I did this in the knowledge that the multi-headed, multi-limbed, scary, sarky, MN collective would probably come down on my side of things, which they did, in a flurry of jokes about bumsex & all secretly being hairy handed turkish truckers.

Obviously things have changed around here, as I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that now.

WhatwouldGemmado Fri 17-Aug-12 19:57:20

As WigGold. MrGin, really? Why?

anairofhopeFORGOLD Fri 17-Aug-12 20:00:32

It doesnt seem fair but i dont think MrGin will want to come back sad

Somebloke Fri 17-Aug-12 20:05:09

Wouldn't blame him TBH

Pinot Fri 17-Aug-12 20:08:53

I'm not sure it's right to put words or thoughts into MrGin's mouth. Only he knows how he feels.

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 20:20:20

Helen kindly replied to my email re MrG. Nothing confidential or controversial. It's between him and HQ, if he wishes any progress at all.

UnimaginitiveDadThemedUsername Fri 17-Aug-12 20:28:29

Well, I was asked not to "...rake over the facts..." as it was being construed as "goading".

Personally, if I was interested in goading someone I'd do so actually in the Feminism folders themselves, not in this dusty corner.

But it's their gaff and their rules so that's my final word on the subject (seeing as my post from Fri 17-Aug-12 15:45:08 still remains).

TuftyFinch Fri 17-Aug-12 20:31:08

What's going on? MrGin banned? Last night we were talking about crumble. What's happened?

FellatioNelson Fri 17-Aug-12 20:31:53

I hope he does want to come back. It would be our loss if he didn't. I used to be horrified/scared at the thought of being banned, back in the day when it actually meant that you'd been a nasty/weird fucker, and it was the fear of being banned (or just disliked) that curbed my tongue on many an occasion.

However, these days the bannings/deletions are random, prolific and hard to fathom, and I no longer think there is necessarily any shame in it - it's luck of the draw. I think MNHQ has a much more nervous disposition these days.

Seasicksteve Fri 17-Aug-12 20:44:49

Mr gin,
please contact stephen s (26) at netmums
thanks.

LOL I just googled stephen s (26) at netmums and at least 5 of the first links produced involved sex toys, erotic films etc. Maybe I'm on the wrong forum after all? grin

usualsuspect Fri 17-Aug-12 20:52:12

Theres a weird have you been banned from MN thread on NMs.

NicholasTeakozy Fri 17-Aug-12 21:08:59

I only joined this site 18 months ago and the deletion policy has changed. Under my last name I only had one post deleted. Which on reflection was fair enough; it really isn't the done thing to tell a poster to take her head out of her arse before posting. Under this name I've had a few posts deleted, none of which were controversial, or were on fighty threads.

It's a shame MrGin has been banned, he seems a decent chap. Really hope he comes back. sad

NicholasTeakozy Fri 17-Aug-12 21:09:52

Ooh, is there Usual? Link?

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats Fri 17-Aug-12 21:18:42

I'm a radfem but I didn't see anything offensive in this thread. confused

I am very confused indeed! What a shame MrGin was banned. sad

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 21:22:27

yes, lurking, the microscope seems to have been on D/N re the whole other stuff. Still, if MrG thinks it's worthwhile to, he can possibly negotiate I hope. It's up to him to raise it as a possibility.

BelfastBloke Fri 17-Aug-12 21:23:56

What is "D/N", Pan?

FellatioNelson Fri 17-Aug-12 21:27:25

I think we should start a protest group for the Gin One, in the manner of the Guildford Four. It was miscarriage of justice, surely. didn't read all the thread, can't be bothered, but MrG is a common-sense, all-round-good-egg so he must be innocent.

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats Fri 17-Aug-12 21:29:37

It's gunna bug me all day why he was banned!

I believe D/N is shotthand for Dadsnet

Maryz Fri 17-Aug-12 21:34:01

I like MrGin as well. I only found this thread because I was up in the middle of the night. I have never even noticed Dadsnet before, and now the shit has hit the fan [baffled]

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 21:36:29

Odd that D/N suddenly has such a pointless profile, after all our efforts to keep it nice and quiet and unobtrusive and generally under the radar, so much that some regulars don't even know we exist...

BelfastBloke Fri 17-Aug-12 21:39:17

Don't worry Pan, they'll all forget us.

They're all drunk and talking about bumsex tonight anyway.

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 21:39:56

phew!

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats Fri 17-Aug-12 21:40:00

Pan, until this thread I always thought 'Gransnet' was a sister website!

So you'r one step up grin

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 21:41:28

Back-handed compliment for Dadsnet there, Lurking!

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats Fri 17-Aug-12 21:44:11

Sorry, it was meant to be a joke!!! blush

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 21:56:49

I know! smile

odd day for dadsnet.

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats Fri 17-Aug-12 21:58:25

It's like one of those dreams where you know you're supposed to get to something but when you open the door there's just another door and another and another...

Maryz Fri 17-Aug-12 21:59:21

I won't forget you all. I'm going to hide from the bumsex threads on Friday nights, I'll settle into an armchair in here, read the Irish Times and have a glass of sherry nice Merlot.

I might have to have a special sockpuppet name to post here though.

hmm Manz, maybe grin

SigmundFraude Fri 17-Aug-12 22:00:25

ChairmanMeow has been banned too. It's a good old day for a banning. Someone's not happy!

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 22:00:39

That's the map to the male psyche, Lurking. But women seem so bound up in their own psyche, usually, they miss the wonders otherwise afforded. shock

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 22:02:11

chairman? Quelle surprise....over due, imho.

But women seem so bound up in their own psyche, usually, they miss the wonders otherwise afforded.

<ahem> smile fails to come up with a witty response

Why has Chairmanmeow been deleted. I am missing everything tonight.

I also mistakenly ventured into Netmums to look for this thread of which Usual spoke and cringed at every thread I ventured into, before giving up. I need a link.

SigmundFraude Fri 17-Aug-12 22:06:10

Really? Why?

BelfastBloke Fri 17-Aug-12 22:06:13

Liking your phrasing now, Pan.

'Course, I'm ver' ver' drunk.

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats Fri 17-Aug-12 22:06:48

How do you know all these people have been banned???

is there a banned explanation club I not aware of?

Sulks

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats Fri 17-Aug-12 22:07:26

When I say 'all these people,' I mean Chairman. MrGin said he was banned. blush

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 22:20:55

SF - you mean chairman? Well, he just appeared as a wind up dude, imo, and winding up the FWR was an easy target. Rarely posted outside of there, and could see why posters got heartily sick of obstacles he chucked down to discussion.

BelfastBloke Fri 17-Aug-12 22:22:29

Maryz the Irish Times is delivered daily to Dadsnet.

The Daily Telegraph? I dunno.

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats Fri 17-Aug-12 22:22:58

Pan...

I agree with you on something! shock wink

I've just always been afraid to say it since he occasionally seemed sincere and friendly.

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 22:31:44

Lurking - shock grin. I'd asked him a couple of times to explain what he meant by stuff, but it became a bit daft. LRD was very good with him iirc but she lost it as well. Istill read a fair bit of FWR and was surprised he lasted so long.

BelfastBloke Fri 17-Aug-12 22:34:41

What is LRD?

What is FWR?

I could work it out under different alcoholic influences.

ArtexMonkey Fri 17-Aug-12 22:35:20

Oh well. It's not the end of the world, getting banned. wink you just have to learn to behave yourself.

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 22:39:07

Coffee, water, rest, BB. Or..more Pimms!

LRD - a poster called LRDFeministDragon, FWR - section called Feminism/Womens Rights.

vP - traitor.

BelfastBloke Fri 17-Aug-12 22:41:18

vP: Traitor indeed!

You make me happy, Pan.

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 22:43:55

a la Frank Stapleton - the last striker to come to us from yourselves. Our best buy in the 1980s. Apart from Bryan Robson....

BelfastBloke Fri 17-Aug-12 22:45:10

Ho, ho, ho.

Ho. He's a fucking Ho.

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 22:47:15

Aren't they all??

< Apart from the MUFC Youth Team of 1992. >

LemarchandsBox Fri 17-Aug-12 22:48:19

Maybe if people weren't afraid to 'say something', a lot of the unpleasantness could be avoided.

usualsuspect Fri 17-Aug-12 22:54:03

I've only nipped on this thread to see how BB is doing.

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 22:55:25

Artex - is it called 'advanced social skills unit 1 = recognising boundaries. grin

BelfastBloke Fri 17-Aug-12 22:55:39

Well our captain has just been sold to Manchester United.

And I'm drowning my sorrows in gin.

How do you think I'm doing?

ArtexMonkey Fri 17-Aug-12 22:55:42

Usual's here! Kiss of death for this thread now grin

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 22:57:43

BB - he won't last. If he strangles Danny and Sweet Pea and doesn't score 4 goals a game he'll be frozen out and looking to crawl back to the lower team.grin

usualsuspect Fri 17-Aug-12 22:57:57

Fucking hell, yeah.

<staggers back to drunk thread>

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 23:00:14

SAF will be just as ruthless in getting rid of him as he was in getting him. This will not end well. <the footie. not the thread...tho'....>

LemarchandsBox Fri 17-Aug-12 23:01:32

Nice dissemination there, guys smile

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 23:04:20

<footie talk designed to reclaim Dadsnet from this RTA of a thread...is it working?>

LemarchandsBox Fri 17-Aug-12 23:05:57

Yep.

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats Fri 17-Aug-12 23:06:08

Lemarch: What could I say? Troll hunting would have gotten me banned, so I kept my mouth shut. Shrug

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 23:06:29

and Song to Barca..oh dear. Why do Arsenal always start the 100m dash by giving the other sprinters a 20m start?

usualsuspect Fri 17-Aug-12 23:07:01

I'm lost.

TuftyFinch Fri 17-Aug-12 23:08:05

I used to play for Charlton.

usualsuspect Fri 17-Aug-12 23:09:15

I thought I recognised you, Tufty

LemarchandsBox Fri 17-Aug-12 23:12:49

Why would you think I was singling you out, Lurking? confused

That was not my intention and I apologise if you got the impression I was.

It was more of a general comment on the Goodies and Baddies aspect this thread has adopted.

Maryz Fri 17-Aug-12 23:14:07

How to get the wimmin off the thread in one easy step? Talk about fecking football shock. Has no-one told you it's only August - there should be no football!

When people say Charlton I always think Jack, not the club.

usualsuspect Fri 17-Aug-12 23:15:05

I always think Bobby, with the comb-over.

usualsuspect Fri 17-Aug-12 23:15:30

Have you got a comb over Tufty?

BelfastBloke Fri 17-Aug-12 23:16:22

What do you mean, only August?

Kickoff on the season is tomorrow!

As it has been every August.

Thank God for football. 'Twill save us all.

TuftyFinch Fri 17-Aug-12 23:17:27

The new season starts tomorrow though Mary.
Usual, even with my new hair?

Have I has toomuch wine if I look at the word usual and can't work out if i've spelled it corrcetly?It looks wrong? There shouls be another vowel shirley

TuftyFinch Fri 17-Aug-12 23:18:13

i've got a comb under. Like David.

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 23:18:16

Well, Maryz the attraction of womens football makes that calculation a bit more suspect. It's skillful, committed, fairer and has none of the men's histrionics. If you like footie, womens is the way to go!

usualsuspect Fri 17-Aug-12 23:18:51

and don't call me Shirley

TuftyFinch Fri 17-Aug-12 23:22:13

Why?

usualsuspect Fri 17-Aug-12 23:23:49

'There shouls be another vowel shirley'

Sorry, lame joke

Somebloke Fri 17-Aug-12 23:24:55

Am I supposed to like football if I'm a man? Is that a thing? Is DadsNet really the place for me if I can't do premier league chat?

<checks trousers>

Maryz Fri 17-Aug-12 23:25:48

Jack is a national hero here, usual.

I know it always starts in August but it shouldn't <cries> It should at least have the decency to wait until the kids are back in school.

I thought the women's football in the Olympics was great - though I was also a bit upset by the Olympic football crowd. The rest of the Olympics was full of crowds who were partisan and supported the GB team but still cheered everyone. There was one GB mens football match that went to penalties and I was horrified to hear the crowd boo the Koreans (I think) as they took the penalties.

There seems to be a different atmosphere at football matches (which is why I don't like them).

And they have stopped only having matches on Wednesdays and Saturdays - they seem to be on every fecking day now.

<sigh>

Maryz Fri 17-Aug-12 23:26:37

I'm a rugby woman man myself.

LemarchandsBox Fri 17-Aug-12 23:27:54

Dadsnet consists of Football Chat and Snarky anti-FWR threads, Somebloke.

Inneedofbrandy Fri 17-Aug-12 23:27:55

Has this been the longest thread on DN ever?

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 23:29:23

Lemarch - read a bit more?

Inneed - nope! There is one much longer..

TuftyFinch Fri 17-Aug-12 23:29:29

usual i know i was joking withmy 'why?' I t would be somuch easier if we were in the pub shirley grin

BelfastBloke Fri 17-Aug-12 23:30:12

Nah.

Sexual Technics is the longest thread ever on Dadsnet.

Maryz Fri 17-Aug-12 23:31:29

Sexual Technics shock?

<wanders off to have a look>

[hopeful]

usualsuspect Fri 17-Aug-12 23:31:35

My jokes are lost on screen. grin

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 23:34:28

<nice diversion there BB..>

LemarchandsBox Fri 17-Aug-12 23:34:59

Thank you Pan, but I have read all the thread from start to finish.

And all the others.

I hope Dadsnet is revelling in its moment of glory hmm

It should be a place where ideas are shared, much like MN is as a whole.
It has an equal footing with any other Topic on here. Step over the Guidelines and it is just as much on an equal footing.

Inneedofbrandy Fri 17-Aug-12 23:35:29

What was the really long one about Pan? Am intrigued...

Maryz Fri 17-Aug-12 23:35:31

That's a pathetic 216 posts, Belfast. There is a rolling football one that is longer, but I'm not looking at it.

And having had a quick look at the ST thread, MrGin should be automatically reinstated purely for his last post on that thread grin.

BelfastBloke Fri 17-Aug-12 23:35:40

Sexual Technics

For the easily pleased.

Inneedofbrandy Fri 17-Aug-12 23:36:43

Sexual technics? Like lego shock

<<runs after Maryz>>

BelfastBloke Fri 17-Aug-12 23:36:43

Yes, there is a Rolling Football one that is longer.

But is length important?

Or is it the quality?

Inneedofbrandy Fri 17-Aug-12 23:37:30

Spluttering my brandy out at share your sexual secrets

Inneedofbrandy Fri 17-Aug-12 23:38:06

BB no point being quality if you can't feel the quality wink

Hi, this just came up in my active threads, and pan, yes I did lose it with him (*meow*). I thought he was being really offensive. It's possible of course that I read it wrongly and it wasn't deliberate, but my impression was that he was on the wind up.

I don't think that has any bearing on other posters, male or female, just thought I should explain that yes, I did get really angry and upset with his posts. I've got to admit I'm glad they were deleted as I did think they were out of order.

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 23:39:54

Really Lemarch? You've read all of the threads in Dadsnet from start to finish? And you still think it's all about snide and footie? Hmmm...that think I said about the female psyche....no, this particular thread isn't a glory moment.

Maryz Fri 17-Aug-12 23:42:13

You are usually pretty patient LRD, so if you lost it with him he probably pushed it too far.

I do think it's a shame when bunfights go across threads (or even across topics hmm). I hate it when disagreements move around the board - mostly because many posters on thread haven't a clue what is going on.

I mean, when I looked at this thread at 3.30 am last night, it was all about apple crumble and swapping recipes. It has been surreal [baffled]

I honestly haven't been feeling patient, but there have been some very obvious trolls, which don't help - by obvious, I mean posters who don't post anywhere but FWR and get banned pretty fast, I'm sure everyone's seen them. They do wear you down.

I do think FWR gets unfair flack, to be honest.

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 23:44:29

LRD - I read a lot of the stuff, checked him a bit, but to no avail. Surprised it went on so long.

Somebloke Fri 17-Aug-12 23:44:33

"Dadsnet consists of Football Chat and Snarky anti-FWR threads, Somebloke."

I've been away for a while; my understanding was that DadsNet was the place to go for sporadic football chat, one post threads where some poor soul proclaims how they're going to be a dad soon and WLTM other likeminded men, and tumbleweed.

The excitingly edgy D/N makeover passed me by. </sarcasm>

LemarchandsBox Fri 17-Aug-12 23:45:50

Pan, it's a shame when Dadsnet rises to prominence when it involves a Big Stir.

I would have expected you to agree with that.

It's not some remote enclave. Anyone who thinks that is a fool.

FWIW, there's a thread about pic marketing special pink pens to girls, it's quite funny? If anyone wants some light relief that is the way to go. It's one of the few FWR threads that haven't been taken over by trolls lately, it's well worth a look.

pan - I have no idea how we'd have stopped it going on as long as it did. Either we ignore someone - which is not great and which risks upsetting people - or you respond, and then there has to be debate. There's no easy way to bring a stop to these things, I think?

Somebloke Fri 17-Aug-12 23:48:38

I saw that, and ended up on the Amazon review page. I liked the review from the burly lumberjack who said the ladylike pens were too delicate for his huge horny hands...

some - oh, yeah, I loved him! grin Genius stuff. I know it is an easy target but it's decent light relief.

Maryz Fri 17-Aug-12 23:52:42

Yes you are told to ignore and report. So you ignore and report, and again and again and again. And some people can stay just on the right side of the "guidelines" and get away with it.

As I said, though, I stay away from the Feminism topic, so I'm not talking specifically about there. I've seen it in other sections of the board. I suspect that whoever said that one person was being watched was right, and that's why this thread has gone a bit tits up. I do feel sad that MrGin (who I have never noticed deliberately winding anyone up about anything) seems to have been a victim of the fallout sad.

LePan Fri 17-Aug-12 23:54:18

Lemarch - no not at all. We like the under radar stuff. This exposure is unwelcome, to most of us. Really. We just quietly get on with stuff and don't have bunfights and deletions etc.

LRD, no it;s in HQ hands to act. As they keep on saying, report, report but on ocassion nothing happens.

Maryz Fri 17-Aug-12 23:54:27

(And before anyone thinks I'm picking on "Feminists in General" I also stay away from The DogHouse, Relationships, Breast and Bottle Feeding and the Pram topics grin). I'm afraid of all of them [wimp emoticon]

As for Education shock - all those threads scare me witless.

maryz, I do ignore and report, but actually, we are frequently asked to argue against (for example) rape myths, rather than having offensive posts deleted. It does make it difficult, because you can tell that most posters are genuinely just wanting a discussion, but some are stirring it. And HQ will typically say, no, they won't delete anything that might be an honest misaprehesnion if it's being well argued against.

The issue is, some posters look genuine if you see only one or two threads they're posting on. But if you see more, you realize they are deliberately getting off on the process. It's really nasty. But I know it doesn't immediately look obvious what's going on.

LemarchandsBox Fri 17-Aug-12 23:59:56

Dadsnet can't be under the radar when it involves the kind of stuff seen today.

To take refuge in the evaso'umbletalkingboutfootball schtick is beneath the male posters who have a valid contribution to MN as a whole

Maryz Sat 18-Aug-12 00:00:23

Yes, that's the problem - I've seen it in areas where I spend more time (like with the posters who come on teenage sex and drug threads) - if you only see a couple of posts you can't understand why people are getting annoyed; if you see loads of posts by one person all just trying to cause a fight it gets to you after a bit.

The same is the case with the SN posters and disablism, btw, as I understand it - they report an offensive poster and are told their responses are good eduation or a good argument against what that poster says, so MNHQ won't delete or ban.

It is understandable, but when there's an influx of trolls/stirrers, it makes it much harded because people know they can report and report, and it may take days to get a ban on a genuine troll.

maryz - exactly.

That is the issue.

I saw enough of a certain poster recently to know s/he was not genuine, and s/he was twisting the words of real posters to stir - but I'd not have known that if I'd not seen all the threads. This is why I think it's impossible really to judge situations unless you've seen the threads in question - otherwise it becomes a case of Chinese whispers.

kickassangel Sat 18-Aug-12 00:12:43

I'm using my iPad and really cba to trawl through the bits I missed. Can't believe tha t a thread in Dadsnet has caused all this, although I once started some controversy over in arts and crafts, still don't know what the problem was and I didn't even think it was possible to get their yarns in a twist.

Pan, I knew which Kick thingy you meant but other posters seemed to be getting confused. Can't believe that Mr Gin didn't seem to remember me as I 'spoke' to him fairly recently. Not sure it's a banning offense though.

Talking of spelling, this whole moving to North America thing has completely messed up my spelling. Which is a shame as I teach it.

So, what's for dinner? We just had ice cream at the Rainforest Cafe. Google it, then reflect that it is positively upmarket for where we are staying.

LePan Sat 18-Aug-12 00:14:01

yes Lemarch - it isn't a blanket rule that we can say what we like in D/N as if it has no consequence anywhere else. But usually...we stick to good stuff and make the odd tangential ref to other sections and that's about it. I do see why HQ chose to come down heavy today..BUT...the scythe was unforgiving today, imo, but HQ look at other stuff as well, I think.

LemarchandsBox Sat 18-Aug-12 00:15:23

Sometimes the most innocuous of threads can lead to a bit of Hydra-stylee smiting, kickass smile

LePan Sat 18-Aug-12 00:18:08

Afternoon kickass! Phew!

Yes this is a wildly odd thread. Dinner was tuna and pasta (in between posting here!) - breakfast will be two fried eggs on toast and a coffee. <interesting>

BoneyBackJefferson Sat 18-Aug-12 00:21:00

What an absolutely bizare thread.

usualsuspect Sat 18-Aug-12 00:23:29

It's got it all. this thread.

LemarchandsBox Sat 18-Aug-12 00:23:50

Pan, there was rallying and snarking.

Plus rehashing.

Either posters abide by the guidleines or they get a Ban.

It doesn't matter if you, or I, agree with that Ban. It's applied consistently across all the boards.

LePan Sat 18-Aug-12 00:25:15

Lemarch - yes we agree, largely.

Thumbwitch Sat 18-Aug-12 00:47:25

Very sad to see MrGin has been banned and I really hope it's only a temp suspension - and that he comes back again afterwards (which he may well decide not to sad )

kickassangel Sat 18-Aug-12 00:57:56

Dear god I wish I was married to a man who could/would cook.

I still remember Pan making carbonara. Do you have a fondness for pasta by any chance?

messyisthenewtidy Sat 18-Aug-12 00:58:53

All I want is for FWR and Dadsnet to get on because really they have so much common ground but just don't see it. It's like West Side Story all over again. Did Tony and Maria teach us nothing?!

Thumbwitch Sat 18-Aug-12 01:01:38

<<holds hands with messy>>

Altogether now:
"I'd like to teach the world to sing
in perfect harmony
I'd like to hold it in my hand
and keep it company..."

LePan Sat 18-Aug-12 01:02:01

kick - you remember that??!! Cuisine wise, last effort was defusing a difficult poster with offers of making chicken cacciatora, which defused the situation. Some good food, the well-placed compliment and you're like putty....grin

Thumbwitch Sat 18-Aug-12 01:03:11

I thought risotto was the plat du jour on here, not pasta; although how you thought a cacciatore would do anything other than inflame, Pan (non-chilli fan here) wink

LePan Sat 18-Aug-12 01:06:20

risotto or curry. We still discuss it by PM.

NewStartSameStory Sat 18-Aug-12 01:09:52

has it calmed down again now and gone back to food? thank. fuck. big fry up for breakfast tomo. it's sat so why not.

BelfastBloke Sat 18-Aug-12 01:34:24

Curry, surely?

Risotto can fuck right off.

Inneedofbrandy Sat 18-Aug-12 01:40:23

I'd love a full english tomorrow, might have to go to the cafe on trading estate, get a gert lush lorry drivers breakie.

Thumbwitch Sat 18-Aug-12 01:52:36

Risotto is bloody lovely, BB. If it's done properly. Kedgeree, which was mentioned further up by Gin, is also bloody lovely but needs more planning (and hardboiled eggs)

LePan Sat 18-Aug-12 10:23:36

and calm.......this doesn't look any better in the morning does it? I hope there is a good resolution to MrGingate and there is at least some communication. MrG, if you are reading, take the best of care and maybe have a chat with HQ IF you so desire?

LePan Sat 18-Aug-12 10:29:43

Getting back to the OP, if I may kickass..having a separate section may seem a bit of an anachronism re parenting as you say. But it seems to work pretty well ime at least. We don't see parenting as a hobby etc, and are probably pretty much confident enough to know this and so not get unduly annoyed or dispirited. Women come and go in this section, and dads feel free to post anywhere else on MN as parents tho' with a differing perspective and all, sometimes.

Thumbwitch Sat 18-Aug-12 10:33:42

MrGin has now emailed MNHQ (Am I allowed to say that without being instantly deleted?) and is awaiting their response.

LePan Sat 18-Aug-12 12:09:14

o jolly gud. Let us know what happens?

Thumbwitch Sat 18-Aug-12 12:31:36

Will do - in the meantime MrGin said thanks v. much to you, FN and the others who have posted kind words about him. smile

BoreOfWhabylon Sat 18-Aug-12 12:37:33

I mostly lurk, but there are some posters I always enjoy reading. Mr Gin is one of them. I do hope he will be able to come back.

pornmonkeys Sun 19-Aug-12 17:20:22

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AnyFucker Sun 19-Aug-12 19:03:18

hello everybody, am back in the broadband sphere

it's a shame really

if people didn't diss a whole group of posters with no provocation, slag off people who longer have a right to reply and take a pop when someone tries to (mildly, for her) say "er, is this really a good idea, wouldn't it be better if you found something else to talk about?" then some peeps wouldn't be banned now and facing the indignity of grovelling for another chance

it's personal choice, innit

LePan Sun 19-Aug-12 19:09:20

oh dear AF, we've moved on.

TiggyD Sun 19-Aug-12 19:33:09

Nothing ever happens in Dadsnet so I rarely check it, causing me to miss a 26 pager! Grrrrr!

Please sum up this thread in 5 words or less.

NewStartSameStory Sun 19-Aug-12 19:35:14

Insanity.

Hth

LePan Sun 19-Aug-12 19:36:48

You. Should. Have.Been. Here.

SigmundFraude Sun 19-Aug-12 19:39:53

MNHQ's jump the shark moment.

TiggyD Sun 19-Aug-12 19:44:59

Maybe there should be a text warning to us all when something kicks off?
eg: Dadsnet - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

LePan Sun 19-Aug-12 19:50:12

That'll be once every two years Tiggy. Being on edge for that length of time wouldn't be healthy.

TiggyD Sun 19-Aug-12 19:56:35

I mean over all forums.

LePan Sun 19-Aug-12 20:01:58

Ask MN for a special 'rubberneckers' app. then?

AnyFucker Sun 19-Aug-12 21:02:08

no, Pan, I don't think this thread has moved on tbh

for people wanting a quick precis, I think my latest post pretty much nails it

LePan Sun 19-Aug-12 21:20:24

Well WTF! A woman comes over to Dadsnet and tells us what we should and shouldn't be talking about! And telling us when a thread has moved on or not! For some bloke in FWR that would be a small and noisy lynching party triggered.
no, your precis is from looking through your own prism and nowt else, if I may be so bold.
fwiw I did report your 'precis' as a touch of goading. For which others have been banned.

Maryz Sun 19-Aug-12 21:29:51

Tiggy, to sum it up, someone started a thread wondering why Dadsnet was here, a few people suggested it might be a place to hide from the RadFems, then everyone talked about cake, then a whole lot of people were banned.

Now they may have been banned for things they did on other threads, but this one seemed pretty harmless to me, at least compared to a lot of "goading" threads that appear regularly elsewhere on the boards.

So a quick summary would be [baffled]

AnyFucker Sun 19-Aug-12 21:31:35

pan, as much as it pains you, I was right

as evidenced by who has been banned, and who has not

I have no desire to blow my own trumpet ( I guess someone has to though), but if certain departed posters had said "you are right, AF, there is no rhyme nor reason to keep dragging stuff up that happened months ago, let's forget it and move on for the sake of harmony on the boards" then we wouldn't be where we are now

< gallic shrug >

LePan Sun 19-Aug-12 21:34:37

no pain involved, sweetie.

So you mean if everyone saw through your small prism then the world would be ok? Okaaaay...

AnyFucker Sun 19-Aug-12 21:34:58

oh, and my post from fri that was deleted pretty much said the same thing

except it had some attacking stuff about kicktheguru which, if I hadn't been in a bit of a hurry, I would have put in a separate post (and which of course was fully deserving of a deletion)

LePan Sun 19-Aug-12 21:38:00

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BelfastBloke Sun 19-Aug-12 21:41:41

Pan's description of what's just occurred and Maryz's summary of earlier events seems fairly accurate as to my memory of the events. I couldn't see anything wrong with what was said earlier on. But some posts had already been deleted by then.

AnyFucker Sun 19-Aug-12 21:44:25

I wouldn't call "common decency" a small prism

some would

AnyFucker Sun 19-Aug-12 21:45:08

report away, pan

I didn't

LePan Sun 19-Aug-12 21:45:42

Thanks BB. Internet table tennis almost defines 'pointlessness' so I'll leave the goading posts to MNHQ to judge. Life only allows for so many key strokes.smile

kickassangel Sun 19-Aug-12 21:53:02

Right, so, controversy aside, I am now back home, with one very happy cat by my side and absolutely nothing for dinner. Care to whisk me up something Pan? Carbonara and a nice side salad would be perfect in a couple of hours from now.

StewieGriffinsMom Sun 19-Aug-12 21:54:26

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AnyFucker Sun 19-Aug-12 22:00:16

too true

LePan Sun 19-Aug-12 22:01:24

Sorry Kick - clean out. Gruel and dried bread only on the menu.

SGM - the thing about not goading is relevant here - the whole 'controversy had died, happily, until AF chose to break her boredom, and remind us of the odd rules about telling folks in D/N what it's ok to discuss.

AnyFucker Sun 19-Aug-12 22:02:01

hey, hello, kickass, I think your OP was unfairly derailed

I can offer you leftover roast ham and new potatoes

although if you are in Canada, you should be drowning in the stuff grin

AnyFucker Sun 19-Aug-12 22:03:27

only bored people disagree with you Pan ?

LePan Sun 19-Aug-12 22:04:52

Nope. People who are wrong as well.grin

AnyFucker Sun 19-Aug-12 22:06:14

I think it is fair to say it was a certain amount of ennui that prompted the derailing of this thread in the first place

somebody thought "oh, an inocuous question in Dadsnet... let's see how we can twist it to slag off a whole group of posters (although allegedly all that bad feeling has died down)"

it ain't me that should be looking at why I am posting here

StewieGriffinsMom Sun 19-Aug-12 22:06:29

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TheCrackFox Sun 19-Aug-12 22:07:33

Is Dadsnet an area just for dads or is it an area to discuss being a dad? Just wondering.

CheerfulYank Sun 19-Aug-12 22:10:04

MrGin hasn't had "lots of warnings" though, so banning him is unfair.

AnyFucker Sun 19-Aug-12 22:10:49

well, tcf, it's not an area to jump on every inocuous post to slag off a whole other area

does that answer your question ?

probably not...I'll leave that to the dads

perhaps some dads without an axe to grind could step in here ?

LePan Sun 19-Aug-12 22:11:52

I agree totally SGM - which is why I wasn't saying anything in support of any of it. Let it crust over with time. But one or two posters (well, one really) wishes to keep pulling at the scab, even after the people involved have had action taken against them. That;s the goading bit.

NewStartSameStory Sun 19-Aug-12 22:13:26

Right I have fresh bakes bread rolls, brownies and cookies in the oven. Feel free to raid.

Personally, I think it says a lot when the same discussion topic has to be discussed in two separate places so that all voices are heard. There is a very very strong reason why a large proportion of mn hide or avoid the feminism section.

As I now have apples and i still crave apple crumble that should be ready in about an hour. If you are still all up.

LePan Sun 19-Aug-12 22:13:51

Yes I thought it was you doing the reporting. Recognised your style.

AnyFucker Sun 19-Aug-12 22:18:41

Pan, I will take your point in the spirit I hope it is meant

and leave it

which, if you look at the first few posts on this thread, was entirely my own sentiment

I can take my own advice, even if it completely sticks in the throat of others (to their own cost)

StewieGriffinsMom Sun 19-Aug-12 22:21:05

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LePan Sun 19-Aug-12 22:24:00

Permission would be nice. And usually granted.

It's only 'personal' in respect of recognising anyone else's 'style' we come across - nothing special towards you at all.

LePan Sun 19-Aug-12 22:31:20

Well, as attractive as a proposition would be to continue the table tennis, there is a working week to prep. for. I've reported AF's goadings - what comes of it is with MNHQ.

night all.

ArtexMonkey Sun 19-Aug-12 22:52:09

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AnyFucker Sun 19-Aug-12 22:55:29

amen

CheerfulYank Mon 20-Aug-12 04:12:59

He really hasn't, thought, SGM. Unless he's lying, which I doubt.

There are posters I like and respect on both sides of this (though I have only a very dim grasp of what "this" is, because I haven't RTFT wink ) but I do think it's unfair to ban without a warning.

NicholasTeakozy Mon 20-Aug-12 04:31:58

So do I CY, Gin is pretty uncontroversial usually.

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats Mon 20-Aug-12 08:27:21

I think it's pretty hard to be banned from MN. I've had heaps of posts deleted and not even a warning, not once. AND you need multiple warnings before you're banned. So basically MNHQ will only ban you if you really middle finger them over and over (or obviously, if you're a troll or sockpuppet blah blah)

I guess it's not always about what meets the eye, could be behind the scenes stuff.

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats Mon 20-Aug-12 08:29:56

Basically what I'm saying is he would have gotten warnings in the past, and then for whatever reason this time he got banhammered. So technically, he was warned.

Thumbwitch Mon 20-Aug-12 09:07:01

MrGin says he received one email 3 months ago. That's it. He is currently awaiting a response from MNHQ re. this banning as no warning was given.

YES he could be lying but why would he? He's just confused as to why he's been banned.

We know MNHQ DCOP but sometimes they do get a bit triggerhappy - they have admitted to it in the past - I'm hoping that's all it is this time, or it's a temporary suspension, but no one will know until they reply to MrGin.

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats Mon 20-Aug-12 09:15:38

Hmm well I guess we'll never know.

Pinot Mon 20-Aug-12 09:17:41

Actually, I would have imagined HQ have various scenarios for bannings/suspension.

One - repeated warning emails, if the offences are minor and consistent.
Two - more of an 'emergency' situation ( hmm ) - they will ban without warning

Nowhere have I ever seen HQ promise to send warning emails - certainly with lots of dodgy overnight wanker trolls, they ban straight off the back.

So, it would seem that HQ have opted for option Two for MrGin. Heavyhanded? Christ yeah.

But it also would suggest that he's not lying about receiving only one email.

So perhaps some posters can stop gleefully accusing him of lying. Thanks.

LePan Mon 20-Aug-12 09:17:47

Artex - fwiw those posts were v largely words of concern for MrG as a poster, rather than any effort to re-ignite the 'hoohah' - that calm had extended from Friday evening, until AF's comments on Sunday (excepting pornmokey's Royals comment).
Having said that I am doubting any 'enforcement' action will happen in this circ.

Pinot Mon 20-Aug-12 09:19:50

I am appalled at HQ allowing MrGins name and rep to be picked over like this.

What a disgraceful scene.

He might just be suspended. If he hasn't heard from them, it's much more likely than a ban.

HQ do make mistakes, we know that, but they will explain. FWIW, I didn't know until recently that they count deleting posts as a warning, so it's not necessarily all email based.

LePan Mon 20-Aug-12 09:22:29

It's also notw-worthy that Mr G did not post anything about the radfem people in an inflammatory way after MNHQ had intervened and a brief dialogue too place. He was still engaging with HQ when the issue of being banned was sprung. Which is fairly inconsistent conduct from HQ.

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats Mon 20-Aug-12 09:23:36

Pan is you were referring to me I was not 'gleefully accusing him of lying.' I was stating what I believe the rules are. Why on earth would I gleefully accuse him of lying? confused

I think you really need to stop singling AF out. She commented on earlier posts she disagreed with, which is the nature of a forum after all, even if it was after the thread had moved on. Would hardly be the first time someone has commented on earlier posts they personally find offensive. Hell, I've done it!
It's not her fault anyone was banned if that's what you were implying.

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats Mon 20-Aug-12 09:24:54

Really? Deleted posts count as warnings?

Not good news for me grin

pinot, I doubt anyone thinks he's lying.

There is no point getting angry with other posters when it is MNHQ who do the banning/suspending/whatever it is.

LePan Mon 20-Aug-12 09:27:22

it's odd that isn't it Pinot? The whole radfem implosion, triggered by dittany, means that d. can't be mentioned/discussed 'because she isn't here t odefend herself', yet MrG isn't afforded that consideration. He obviously isn't in the "protected species" category, like other posters or groups of posters.

lurking - I think so.

Pinot Mon 20-Aug-12 09:30:11

YY, LePan.

It's not cricket.

StewieGriffinsMom Mon 20-Aug-12 09:35:19

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LePan Mon 20-Aug-12 09:38:08

Lurking - not referring to you in anyway - sorry you thought so. Iwas referring to Artex.
re AF's 'picking scabs'? Yes, it was picking scabs - it had calmed down (excepting pornmonkey's ill=advised swipe) and now we are back up and running.

Thumbwitch Mon 20-Aug-12 09:39:56

Post deletion counts as a warning now, does it? Has that been laid down somewhere in the Talk Guidelines?

Pan, I think you should be blaming pornmonkeys, then, really.

Which is a shame since it seems pretty clear s/he is a troll and not really interested in any of the points of view people are trying to defend.

I think this re-invigorated ruck has simply been another win for the trolls.

thumb - as I said, I think so. I'd like to know for certain.

LePan Mon 20-Aug-12 09:42:39

This isn't 'advanced social skills' is it? I was 'ordered' to avoid a particular section quite a while ago. Which I always have done since.
But still the point remains - MrG was exchanging mails with HQ on the thread when a ban was issued - not nursing his grievance anywhere else.

HesterBurnitall Mon 20-Aug-12 09:43:54

Dittany was attacked relentlessly across multiple 1000 post threads and is still the subject of snide comments. It turned into a free for all on her, which is why posters called for it to stop. It's hardly comparable to discussion of Mr Gin in this thread.

HesterBurnitall Mon 20-Aug-12 09:44:34

Though that should stop if it's making people uncomfortable.

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats Mon 20-Aug-12 09:44:48

I always thought post deletions were kinda like 'points' up to a warning. You get enough deletions and you get a warning.

I'm very confused now.

Thumbwitch Mon 20-Aug-12 09:45:17

Me too LRD - that's a bit scary if it's true!

Oh, for goodness' sake.

Let's all stop discussing MrGin, though I think this is a bit silly since initial posts like Thumbwitch's are clearly not intended nastily, they are simply people discussing why he might have been banned! Likewise my posts saying what I understand of the rules are not intended nastily either.

MNHQ will doubtless at some point tell him what's going on, whether it's a ban or not, and he'll get in touch.

It's ridiculous to keep on about it and drag in the thing about feminism yet again.

LePan Mon 20-Aug-12 09:46:53

oh I do 'blame' pornmonkey as well fwiw, LRD. I can also see why MrG and a couple of others were in line for some actions - digging up stuff, no matter how annoyed one is is never good. But reaction from HQ was with an unforgiving and inconsistently-handled scythe imho and others view it as the same.

Sorry, cross-posted - thumb - it came up on one of the zillion threads about a certain poster recently banned. I can't remember where but I'm sure they said so. I expect if you start a site stuff thread they'll clarify.

pan - good to hear, s/he is to blame.

I just think we don't yet know what MNHQ has done so best not to get into it.

LePan Mon 20-Aug-12 09:51:22

(pornmonkey is a bloke. got to admit the nn didn't endear tbh)

No, indeed.

Was going to post how nice everyone's dinner sounded, I can only eat sandwiches at the mo ( all day morning sickness) I really like mrgin, hope he is back soon

pornmonkee Mon 20-Aug-12 15:44:10

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LemarchandsBox Mon 20-Aug-12 15:45:51

Why've you lost your 'y'? hmm

Pinot Mon 20-Aug-12 15:47:03

y was banned

ee is new a/c.

LemarchandsBox Mon 20-Aug-12 15:49:35

Oh pinot, I was being all Subtle.

Pinot Mon 20-Aug-12 15:50:37

Oh yeah, I see your hmm face now.

blush

pornmonkee Mon 20-Aug-12 15:51:20

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LemarchandsBox Mon 20-Aug-12 15:53:07

I'll Report you then, Pmonkee. So MNHQ can tell you why smile

pornmonki Mon 20-Aug-12 16:05:19

lol, thanks for trying, but my point is no such email is sent by mn. Working my way through variations though... silly. You saw my emails in last 10 mins, what guidelines did they break?

You've probably been banned for the disgusting trolling in FWR, porn.

HTH.

pornmonki Mon 20-Aug-12 16:10:10

Have only posted about 6 times in last 6 months, as you know. So it wasnt for disgusting trolling. It must be because you report all my posts?

LePan Mon 20-Aug-12 16:14:30

porn = you seem to have had 54 posts in the last 8 months. ALL of them in the FWR.

pornmonki Mon 20-Aug-12 16:18:47

FWR is what brought me to mn, therefore it's all I've posted about. And I wasn't counting tit-for-tat rubbishy one liners with you or other individuals about nothing this weekend (which has probably got me a ban)

pornmonki Mon 20-Aug-12 16:20:21

And if you know how many posts I ever made then you can maybe also read them if you are an admin person? Not trolling.

LePan Mon 20-Aug-12 16:22:01

You were also claiming last week that you'd only posted 2-3 times previously and they were all on that thread. This was the thread about skimpy clothes at the Olympics.where most of your posts were deleted.
I think it was prob. constantly breaking TGs rather than tit-for-tat stuff for which you were banned.

LemarchandsBox Mon 20-Aug-12 16:22:07

Oooh, Pan, you've been promoted to Admin.

grin

WigGold Mon 20-Aug-12 16:22:56

Why do you keep coming back when you know you've been banned?

LePan Mon 20-Aug-12 16:23:50

I can indeed read them. As you and anyone else can, using advanced search.

IN the good practice of not feeding trolls.....ta-ra.

LePan Mon 20-Aug-12 16:24:34

Lemarch - it isn't a promotion.wink

pornmonki Mon 20-Aug-12 16:32:26

Ok thank you, I will lay low for a few months and come back when I have something worth saying, see you.

WigGold Mon 20-Aug-12 16:35:48

Can't wait.

Jacksmania Mon 20-Aug-12 17:17:51

Holy cow. I've missed the underpants party and now MrGin is gone sad
That sucks.

Could I join the general rustling of newspapers? In my case it would be the Globe and Mail though. Or the National Post.

Oh, and seeing as it's only 9:15 am here, breakfast ideas would be appreciated. I am a "dinner for breakfast" kind of person, so pasta would be fine smile

<waves in a discreet way at CY and TW>