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Anyone like to discuss this poem? All welcome.

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anorak · 12/11/2004 08:56

Right to Life by Marge Piercy

A woman is not a pear tree
thrusting her fruit in mindless fecundity
into the world. Even pear trees bear
heavily one year and rest and grow the next.
An orchard gone wild drops few warm rotting
fruit in the grass but the trees stretch
high and wiry gifting the birds forty
feet up among inch long thorns
broken atavistically from the smooth wood.

A woman is not a basket you place
your buns in to keep them warm. Not a brood
hen you can slip duck eggs under.
Not a purse holding the coins of your
descendants till you spend them in wars.
Not a bank where your genes gather interest
and interesting mutations in the tainted rain.

You plant corn and you harvest
it to eat or sell. You put the lamb
in the pasture to fatten and haul it in
to butcher for chops. You slice
the mountain in two for a road and gouge
the high plains for coal and the waters
run muddy for miles and years.
Fish die but you do not call them yours
unless you planned to eat them.

Now you legislate mineral rights in a woman.
You lay claim to her pasture for grazing,
fields for growing babies like iceberg
lettuce. You value children so dearly
that none ever go hungry, none weep
with no one to tend them when mothers
work, none lack fresh fruit,
none chew lead or cough to death and your
foster homes are empty. Every noon the best
restaurants serve poor children steaks.

At this moment at nine o'clock a /partera/
is performing a table top abortion on an
unwed mother in Texas who can't get Medicaid
any longer. In five days she will die
of tetanus and her little daughter will cry
and be taken away. Next door a husband
and wife are sticking pins in the son
they did not want. They will explain
for hours how wicked he is,
how he wants discipline.

We are all born of woman. In the rose
of the womb we suckled our mother's blood
and every baby born has a right to love
like a seedling to sun. Every baby born
unloved, unwanted is a bill that will come
due in twenty years with interest, an anger
that must find a target, a pain that will
beget pain. A decade downstream a child
screams, a woman falls, a synagogue is torched,
a firing squad is summoned, a button
is pushed and the world burns.

I will choose what enters me, what becomes
flesh of my flesh. Without choice, no politics,
no ethics lives. I am not your cornfield,
not your uranium mine, not your calf
for fattening, not your cow for milking.
You may not use me as your factory.
Priests and legislators do not hold
shares in my womb or my mind.
This is my body. If I give it to you
I want it back. My life
is a non-negotiable demand.

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anorak · 12/11/2004 08:56

the /italics/ didn't work!

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anorak · 12/11/2004 11:08

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popsycal · 12/11/2004 12:48

Right....no one else?

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popsycal · 12/11/2004 12:51

This is a purely superficial reaction to it and not in the least bit literary but it is a start.....
I began by liking it....the 2 opening stanzas and the imagery in them....

It did get a bit heavy for me towards the end

off to thikn a bit more

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JuniperDewdrop · 12/11/2004 12:55

That is so powerful. It sort of creeps up on you then makes you sit up and think. I'd be interested to know more about the poet and read more of her work.
It'd be good if more women could feel/think this way instead of letting others rule their lives. It has such strong statements in it. I find it inspiring.

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suzywong · 12/11/2004 12:56

sorry to hijack -but this is kind of about poetry - Popsy we just got an original version of Tootle the Taxi and it is exquisite! What a disgraceful bag of sh*te the new one is

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popsycal · 12/11/2004 13:06

i agree suzy
glad you like it!

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anorak · 12/11/2004 13:06

I'm so glad a few people are showing an interest!

JuniperDewdrop Marge Piercy is better known as a novelist. Her poetry is hard to find in England but more abundant in USA. She is my favourite poet and this poem is one I've read and thought about many many times, so I won't join in the discussion yet. Later.

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coppertop · 12/11/2004 13:14

I like the way it starts off with gentle imagery of nature and then almost hits you from behind with the sudden change of pace and emotion. It seems almost like a literary version of those short films that lull you into a false sense of security and then hit you with the shock factor.

It's not a poem that I could read over and over again as I think it's a bit heavy in that respect but I think it had real depth and meaning.

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popsycal · 12/11/2004 13:14

The empowering nature of the poem does kind of creep up on you.....

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popsycal · 12/11/2004 13:15

bizarre but she reminds me of charles causley or some reason but i cant pinpoint why,,,no obviuos reason...

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subs · 12/11/2004 13:17

will post on poem when have a min to think about it, but her books are FAB and i highly recommend them

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Roobie · 12/11/2004 13:32

Mmmmmm......certainly not poetry of the subtle allegorical variety. Well written enough if you like this type of political rant-type poetry - doesn't invite much interpretation as to her views though. You read it, clock her views and move on....

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anorak · 12/11/2004 14:43

OK. Before I read this poem I was completely anti-abortion except in cases where the mother's life was in danger. I read it and changed my opinion. Mainly because of the sentiments expressed about unwanted children in the world and the knock-on effect of their unwantedness I was able to understand a different side of the story. I still feel I couldn't bring myself to have an abortion myself, but I am far more understanding of women who do choose that option. Therefore this poem had a profound effect on me - it changed my opinion about a very important issue.

The choice of words is not particularly lyrical but as a whole I think the poetic feel is there. The metaphors are apt and interesting, I think, and the very deep sentiment is expressed in a deeply moving way without being slushy. I see this piece as having been thoroughly thought out by an educated and intelligent woman who has great confidence in her beliefs.

For these reasons I have a high opinion of this poem. I do not agree with its sentiments in every aspect but I certainly respect them and admire the way they are expressed.

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Roobie · 12/11/2004 14:52

Her views are not exactly anything new though - the "abortion as a form of child protection" argument is widely held.

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donnie · 12/11/2004 15:06

I do not like this poem at all! I find it very cliched and it has no subtlety at all.I prefer more sophistication and inventiveness in poetry but that;s just my opinion!

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colditzmum · 12/11/2004 15:17

Has anyone read Viz? This reminds me a bit of Millie Tant! sorry (lurk off to the sound of hisses against the Ignorant One)

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anorak · 12/11/2004 15:38

Her views may not be new but they were new to me at the time I first read the poem. Anything is new the first time a person receives it.

LOL colditzmum! I love Viz. Yes, Marge Piercey is an unabashed feminist but she is in the age bracket where she needed to be.

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Arabica · 12/11/2004 23:11

The poem reminds me of a pro-choice rally I went to a few years ago. A radical US organisation who'd shot a doctor for performing abortions, had threatened to come to the UK and picket British clinics and hospitals. One after the other women who'd had abortions stood up and talked about their experiences. The woman who spoke about the situation in Britain pre-1967 (when women regularly died from botched procedures)echoed Piercey's sentiments exactly. Sometimes we need reminding how lucky we are to have safe, legal clinics here.

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soapbox · 12/11/2004 23:52

Well - here I go! I had different reactions on different levels!

  1. My first and most emotional reaction was - what a selfish cow!
  2. Second rection was trying to justify this (rather harsh) initial reaction - which went along the lines of 'well if you didn;t want to be some ones cow for milking then you shouldn't have gone playing with the bull.

  3. Then reflected on the style as a whole - found it rather niaive and simplistic, so obviously written from a political rather than and emotional view point. Really found it quite irritating.
  4. Thought about whether it had fulfilled its purpose - do I feel differently about abortion? No not really - have always been pro-choice but with at times an exasperation that in todays world of sophisticated contraception we still have so many unwanted children. But nevertheless, accepting that accidents happen - women need to be able to choose what happens to them. Having said that, I realised very early on in adulthood, that that I personally would be unlikely to ever have an abortion.
  5. In summary - its too in your face - not the slightest touch of subtlety to it. Suspect its written by someone from the US pro-choice field. For me an overwhelming NIL POINTS!
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Gomez · 13/11/2004 00:29

Didn't 'enjoy' this at all. But then not sure if I was supposed to enjoy but rather suffer and then feel sympathy for all woman. Why? Then read again and thought what sh*te. We as woman make our choices and than take our chances. What sterotypical, ranting nonsense!

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MummyToSteven · 13/11/2004 00:36

An interesting, but not enjoyable poem. Didn't really like the first few verses - felt it was a little too airy/fairy for my liking. I think it was more relevant on a global scale; that we take readily available contraception/terminations for granted in this country, where as this isn't the case for many women.

The most interesting bit I found was the penultimate verse - I felt it threw up issues as to where the boundaries are between yesterday's neglected child and today's criminal/sociopath. don't think Marge Piercy intended her poem to be a meditation on the juvenile justice system/social services but that was what I found the most interesting theme of the poem!

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anorak · 13/11/2004 12:10

It's so interesting to read what you all say. It's true that one poem can be read in hundreds of different ways and mean something different to each person who reads it.

Soapbox, you are right, MP is an American.

M2S I agree with you about the penultimate stanza being the most though-provoking, but I see it more as focussing on the plight of unwanted children within the family home than the social services side of things.

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WigWamBam · 13/11/2004 20:01

Firstly, thank you so much, anorak, for starting a serious discussion on this board. I enjoy this kind of thing, but haven't felt inclined to post as the threads were obviously being used as a bit of a mickey take. I'd like to see more serious discussions on poetry.

I didn't enjoy this. As a piece of polemic I felt that it had been done many times before by far better and more articulate writers, as a piece of prose I found it cliched and uninspired, and it didn't work for me as a piece of poetry, either; I don't like sentimentality in poetry, but I do like it to be lyrical and imaginative. It put me in mind of something that a Spare Rib reader might have submitted in the 70s - ranting, unsubtle, anti-men and confrontational.

I do think that it may be more relevant if taken on a more global scale; as an individual the writer comes across as selfish and whinging, but in some societies women really do have no choice over what happens to them and their bodies, and if the poem is intended to represent all of womankind then perhaps it makes more sense than if it's intended as one woman's thoughts.

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linnylambe · 13/11/2004 20:19

wow!!
cant say any more...

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