Feedback on submission of a full

(29 Posts)
blackcoffee Tue 04-Mar-14 11:55:11

I was asked to submit a full in January and my finger are bitten to stumps by now! how long? (busy agency)
Also, book is part of a series, am now in position to submit first part of second book, is it worth doing that to chase up? aaaargh!

Guilianna Thu 03-Jul-14 21:21:22

I don't have a clear favourite, no. I am quite excited about making changes but still mulling over the final shape it will take. Thanks for the encouragement! much appreciated in this waiting period .. Sounds like your agent is pretty keen, giving so much feedback now. Did she just ask for synopsis of plot revisions, then? agent 2 said similar to me but I'm not sure I can get it right without full rw first! I want to be done this summer ...
Also I've just started a writers' group and one of the members was quite dismissive which made me think, also ..

thoughtsandall Thu 03-Jul-14 11:47:57

That's great news- have you got a preferred agent out of the two who have asked you to R and R? Just think - one more and you may be at the finish line! I will be cheering you on! I received a 4 page report from my agent on mon and it is full of really good suggestions- things I was aware of but not sure how to put right. She is so encouraging and positive and has offered lots of directions the plot could go but ultimately told me to follow my heart with them.

Have just e-mailed with my plot point revisions and I am hoping that they work for her. It's so exciting! I am trying to not worry about whether she will rep me more or not. Either way I feel like it is a win- win situation: representation at the end or a much improved book, not to mention how much I am learning in the process. It is the first book I have ever written and I have learnt so much already.

Guilianna Tue 24-Jun-14 15:19:45

No timescale but realistically it'll be a summer hols job. It's a topical novel (by sheer random coincidence) so although there's a fair bit of work it would be good to finish soonish!
I wasn't planning on contacting the agents with fulls because as it stands it's a rejection.
I like the sound of the collaborative work on yours. Sometimes you can tell the agent has an enhanced vision of where it could go which actually needs spelling out.
One change I'm still mulling is lose the title. Ow!
It's so good to talk about this, thoughts. All my mates just think, oh guilianna and her rejections, nearlys, and of course they all love it uncritically because they are my mates and say thing like 'well when you think of all the crap that DOES get published' grin

thoughtsandall Tue 24-Jun-14 12:54:24

Wow- great news (again!) and two pages of suggestions is great but I bet it does make you a little weary, especially if they all want slightly different things. I guess you need to change the things you are happy to and stick to your guns with others so that you are not losing the essence and your vision for the story. It's within your grasp again Guilianna! How long has the new agent given you for the rewrite? Are you going to go back to the agent your rewrite is currently with to let them know you have another agent interested?

The agent I'm working with has told me that the work on the plot is to be very collaborative and we are in it together. She wants to see how I handle her first set of notes (I'm reading am I flexible and open to direction and can I deliver?) and then we will meet. She hasn't offered rep at this stage but has said that she only works with a handful of new clients each year and will only put time into those she wants to rep. It seems very positive and hopeful, but I know it's not a done deal till you sign on the dotted line. And they say writing is hard- it's nothing compared to the ups and downs once you enter the submission circus!

Guilianna Tue 24-Jun-14 10:45:32

There were a couple of indications but rewrite was left to me. Thanks for being so encouraging! since I replied I've had another rejection which however gave me about 2 pages of suggestions and said I could revise and resubmit. The trouble is they all want slightly different things! I loved some of the ideas from the recent agent and I am excited (in a weary kind of way!) about kicking it into shape once more over the summer. I really think it could be a good book, once the final bit falls into place!
Thoughts, you are really close now! that's exactly how it feels, the final sprint at the end of a cross country race with legs like jelly. Good luck with your agent and I hope the advice you're given is helpful!

thoughtsandall Tue 24-Jun-14 09:53:05

You never know with these things, so whilst you haven't heard there is still a chance. How long have they had the re-write? Was the re-write collaborative or were you pretty much left to your own devices? Great news about the other full- you are certainly moving in the right direction.

I had 'such a near miss' with the publishing house my ms was with. They took a long time to get back to me but they were really positve and encouraging but the ms was too short and a little young for their list. I thought this may be the case when I subbed it for the open submissions but I just wanted it read and thought I'd take a chance. Have now got a contact in the publishing house who I can pitch ms ideas to prior to writing, so all is not lost.

I currently have interest from an agent and I am waiting for her to send me thoughts on my ms. She see's a lot of potential in my work (her words) but wants me to strengthen the plot so I am just waiting to see what she wants and then I will be attempting a rewrite.

Please keep us posted with any developments- always love to hear success stories.

Guilianna Mon 23-Jun-14 16:23:39

Hello, I am blackcoffee, named changed after all that password hoohah. Agent came back with suggestions and I'm waiting, rather pessimistically, to hear about the rewrite. Meanwhile I have another full out and a couple of (non -standard) rejections. Think I'd have heard by now if it was going to be positive. So, close but no cigar! How's everyone else?

thoughtsandall Mon 23-Jun-14 10:03:37

Hi Blackcoffee, just wondering how you are getting on/got on with R+R. Any news or developments?

blackcoffee Fri 28-Mar-14 18:32:01

Raza - improving's improving, it all feeds into the same place. Very best of luck. I've had some great ideas, but I'm a bit daunted about whether I can pull it off. I really hope so. Day job is vile right now, too! Ill certainly keep you posted. Anyone know a quietly inspiring place for a short Easter writing break? (UK)

blackcoffee,
sorry only came back to thread now.
Yes I'm still subbing but no fish is biting.
I'm also writing short stories and subbing them and have had some success. I feel my writing improving each time I complete a story which makes me doubt my novel now, but who knows!

Good luck with the changes over Easter. Keep us updated.

And good luck to anyone else drumming fingers out there grin

blackcoffee Wed 26-Mar-14 18:12:32

Thanks, chanson and thoughts, that's the conclusion I've come to as well! It would take a year if I carry on with current draft and do it after, whereas it will probably take a couple of months to rewrite if I start now. So I am going to take MN advice instead of my course advice. Exciting!
This agent seems to have some great ideas and I'm really enthused about making the changes. Dc are with their dad for a week at Easter, I am going to live and breath novel. Please let this be it!
Appreciate the support!

chansondumatin Wed 26-Mar-14 14:57:47

And congratulations [smile}

chansondumatin Wed 26-Mar-14 14:57:19

I'd put the new book on the backburner and get the rewrite done pronto. That way, the agent is more likely to remember you when you send it back and market conditions have had less of a chance to change. I got my MS accepted on the basis of an R&R.

I think agents like it if you can show you're willing to work with them and take feedback on board. If you leave it a year they may think you weren't that bothered.

You may well have to wait another three months for feedback after submitting the revisions (I did), so plenty of time to crack on with Book Two...

thoughtsandall Wed 26-Mar-14 08:42:24

Congrats blackcoffee- that's great news. If it were me I would get the rewrite done first and strike while the iron is hot, so to speak. Your other book isn't going anywhere and it sounds like the agent is keen but markets can change pretty quickly. Is it a dramatic rewrite if you think it will take a year? All very positive though, you must be really pleased grin

blackcoffee Wed 26-Mar-14 07:31:40

and am kicking myself because I resigned from my consuming job in favour of something a little less full on, and was persuaded to go back! argh!

blackcoffee Wed 26-Mar-14 07:30:11

The advice I'm being given on my course is work on one book at a time.It will take me tll Xmas to finish a decent draft of the current one, so rewrite for agent would take about a year. I WILL rewrite, am thinking of stopping current book and doing it now instead?

BigPawsBrown Tue 25-Mar-14 22:35:16

If they've offered you an r&r, rewrite! They already like the concept and otherwise what are their suggestions for?

blackcoffee Tue 25-Mar-14 21:53:48

thoughts it looks like 3 months is par for the course. I'm busy on something else so not too wracked, but now am have the dilemma of whether to do immediate rewrite of the one I submitted or plod on with the new one .... Help!

blackcoffee Tue 25-Mar-14 21:51:44

three months on the nail! suggestions (blooming good ones), will look at rewrite. Rewind ....

thoughtsandall Tue 25-Mar-14 14:30:49

Blackcoffee, is it with an agent or publishing house? Have you chased it up yet? I currently have a full manuscript sitting with a children's publishing house and its been 6 weeks. I am worrying about all sorts of things i.e; did I email my full ms to the right e-mail address? Is it ususal to confirm receipt of a manuscript or not? I am wondering whether to also leave it 3 months before I chase them up or to send them a politie email asking them to confirm they have received it? Oh, what to do, what to do? Waiting is hard (drums fingers on the desk)- although no news is good news hey? hmm

BigPawsBrown Thu 20-Mar-14 22:59:21

Blackcoffee are you on twitter? Always looking for writer types smile

BigPawsBrown Thu 20-Mar-14 22:40:19

Quite a bit - see my thread!!

blackcoffee Thu 20-Mar-14 22:33:42

Thanks! yeah it's my second full request, too. The first one asked me to rewrite, I did and then it was a no. Rightly so, in retrospect. Long process, eh!
I'm about a third into book 2 now. I'm doing a CW MA which helps keep up the momentum.
Are you still subbing, Raza?

Congrats. A request for a full is definitely a good sign.

I had a couple of requests for a full. One replied/declined within about 3 weeks. The other took a little over 3 months. I nudged after 3 months and got a No a few weeks later. Sigh. Back to square one.

Keep writing anyway and have the second book polished and ready to go.

blackcoffee Thu 20-Mar-14 22:10:07

So that's spot on 3 months. What happened BPB?

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