Home of the very brave TTC after MC-ers. Advice, understanding and a variety or food based euphemisms. Pull up a pew, ladies!

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Justonemoretime Thu 24-Apr-14 19:16:01

The Rules...

(1) A lady may only POAS on a Friday.
(2) Friday means the day that everyone calls Friday in the time zone where you spent the night.
(3) Rule (1) does not apply to POA-OPK-S, UNLESS they are being illegitimately used as surrogate HCG detectors, in which case Rule (1) most definitely does apply
(4) Rule (1) does not apply following a BFP because if you want to waste £25 a day POADigiS that's your prerogative <<refuses to admit that's what I'll do>>
(5) Rule (1) does not apply if a lady is POAS in an attempt to get a BFN to prove she can start DTD with intent
(6) Rule (1) does not apply if a lady wants for unknown reason to pee on an actual stick, like a twig or some such, if that lady is unexpectedly caught short whilst tramping in the forest looking for bears.
(7) These rules (including Rule (1)) are subject to the change at any time if the ladies of the Posifrickentivity thread decide on a whim come up with empirical evidence to prove that it is luckier to POAS on any other day of the week
(8) Violators of Rule (1) shall be subject to fish throwing.

And as a grand finale, why not pledge to NEVER POAS before 14DPO?

Marking my place!

LittleMissSunshine33 Thu 24-Apr-14 19:56:54

Me too!
Stats - TTC#1 since Nov 13, MC Mar 14

bythesea82 Thu 24-Apr-14 19:57:47

Evening, also just marking my place.
littlemisssunshine I am still laughing at that story, maybe you laughed some out and some further in......

tannyLoo Thu 24-Apr-14 20:24:16

I'm in!

You never know, this might be the thread we leave part way through!

tannyLoo 42, TTC #3 for 15 months. 5 shitbagging mcs, all at about 5-6 weeks. Blood tests and on a break. Fucking knackered.

Cakebaker35 Thu 24-Apr-14 20:39:23

Marking my place too! littlemiss very funny story and no I don't think it matters, I've not kept legs in the air ever and got upduffed twice. As for dtd, we only have once since I had the erpc a month ago. As you say I think my dh just doesn't want the pressure of ttc right now, I didn't either initially but feel ready to give it a go...I think best just not mention it for the time being and hopefully just get back to some sort of normal tith!

Stats for me

cakebaker35 37, ttc#2 since oct 13, mmc twins in March 14 followed by erpc.

Justonemoretime Thu 24-Apr-14 20:42:38

Justonemoretime TTC #1 mmc Nov 2011, mmc May 2012, mmc June 2013 (turners), all tests clear at St Marys, London, low end of normal with prof Quenby. Progesterone and heparin is the plan going forward + repeat TEG from St Marys, too. Had heart shaped uterus, corrected at St Marys Oct 2013.

Triplespin Thu 24-Apr-14 20:53:06

sebs I can definitely see a line there. Maybe try in the morning with am frer? Also I am not quite sure that the lines get darker with ics like they do with frer.

My stats - triplespin 36 ttc#2 march 2013 (can't even remember anymore!) June'13 mc1 5+3, march'14 mc2 6+3. All rmc tests so far clear.

Technically I am still 35, but less than a month to go, so I have put down 36

Littlelady33 Thu 24-Apr-14 20:57:20

Hello ladies thanks for the new thread. 33, TTC #1 since October 2013 mmc and ERPC Feb 2014

TeaRex Thu 24-Apr-14 21:03:25

Hi all, sorry not been about much, been feeling a bit meh lately and my body doesn't seem to be upto much. seasides brilliant news though, very happy for you smile and sebs hope it's good news for you and I second what everyone else has said.

Hope everyone else is doing okay, I'm looking forward to the weekend, been a rough week at work :/ hope everyone has a good friday and good luck to anyone poas smile

TeaRex Thu 24-Apr-14 21:13:09

Ah crap, forgot my stats;

TeaRex 33, ttc no.2 since August 2013, mmc & erpc Jan 2014

And thanks for the shiny new thread just

tannyLoo Thu 24-Apr-14 21:36:42

Oh, and I do have (some) news!

Off for my 2nd autoimmunity blood test tomorrow which I hope will prove I have something like APS, something with a treatment plan...

Hopefully the results will be back in time for consultant appt on 12th May.

I'm also getting tested for Rheumatoid Factor next week, which is a separate issue, but is an autoimmune condition.

Not trying this month but I'm on CD10 and gagging for some TITH. Had some already (hold the gravy) today and could go again! You can guarantee that when we get back to ttc, I'll not be feeling so frisky...

FlorenceandZebedee Thu 24-Apr-14 21:42:48

Hi all,

Vital stats: 35, TTC#2, MMC end of feb 11+5 now back to DTD and the 2 ww :-(

Just had a fab week by the seaside but ending on a low note. Feeling meh as due to see the witch this weekend and cramps started on weds, guess it's not going to be my month.

Good luck to everyone tomorrow and for the next month!

Fergie11 Thu 24-Apr-14 21:56:59

Congratulations seaside and fx for tmrw seb

Stats: fergie11 40,ttc since sept13,Early April14 MMC 7.4.

Good luck everyone x

JonesSchool Thu 24-Apr-14 22:26:29

Hi all,
Vital stats. Jonesschool 31 TTC #1 MC Feb 2014, 4w +6 MC April 2014 4w+ 4
Debating if we should try just yet, considering having time to get over this mentally and physically, although who am I kidding!
Good luck everyone xxx

bythesea82 Thu 24-Apr-14 23:16:16

Just to add stats
bythesea 31 TTC # 1 since Dec 12, MC Nov 13 9+6, MC Mar 14 10+6

My stats:

EnglishGirlAbroad TTC since Sept '13, MC at 5+3 Dec '13.

bessie84 Fri 25-Apr-14 07:42:08

just to add my stats too:

ttc 2 years 1 month ish
stillborn girl at 42 weeks 10 year ago, 1 boy aged 8, 1 girl aged 4. (previous marriage) im 30 this year, i have pcos, OH has low count, hes 28 (with no children)

currently day 23 on 8th cycle of clomid. off for "day 21" bloods doing this morning, 7dpo.


bessie84 Fri 25-Apr-14 07:42:44

oh piss, forgot to add my miscarriage, last sept 13 - 9week and 3 days. x

Triplespin Fri 25-Apr-14 08:20:16

Thanks for starting the new thread just.

sebs any update?

Any other poasers this morning? Good luck!

GandTnow Fri 25-Apr-14 09:41:03

Marking place in vauge not sure what events this cycle holds sort of way. Stats: TTC #2 MMC in Nov 2013.

sebsmummy1 Fri 25-Apr-14 09:48:34

Sorry, updated on the old thread. Thankfully squinter is no stronger, if anything a little weaker, so I suspect it may have been a chemical or else it could just be the ICs doing their normal and being totally crap and unreliable.

I only POAS to start with as my cm has been ridiculous the last few days. When I used to read posts on TTC forums about gushing cm I used to roll my eyes and think stealth boast grin. But it really has been ridiculous just how wet I've been the last three days. I wonder whether it could be the exercise I'm doing? I will chart it in FF and just carry on.

I'm on cd7, OV expected around cd13. I have ov sticks to check in the evening as I couldn't be arsed to get my fertility monitor out this month. I'm taking Maca root each morning in a smoothie along with DP. Am also considering a high dose co-enzyme q10 formula to help with egg quality. Plus of course a Pregnacare supplement and 200mg vit B6 dose to help with LP.

This month we are going to DTD every other day across the fertile window. When I get a peak stick I will prob do it that day too if it's not on the schedule. Also for a bit afterwards too as last cycle we stopped pretty early as OH was poorly.

sebsmummy1 Fri 25-Apr-14 09:51:35

Oh and just to add to my TTC dilemma I am considering going back to uni to retrain. If I do I will have to give up the hope of a second as I will need to do three years full time. I hate that I haven't got a crystal ball and can't see what is in store for me so I can make some good decisions.

GailLondon Fri 25-Apr-14 09:53:09

Hello hello!

Stats: ttc#2 since December 13, mc at 12 weeks Feb '14

I'm on CD1 as stupid AF just showed up...boo!
Heading back home from our holiday today, glamping has been awesome but I'm ready for our cosy warm house again (and wi fi!)

Metalhead Fri 25-Apr-14 10:03:32

Thanks for the new thread! My stats: Metalhead 34, ttc#2 since July '13, mmc and erpc Feb '14, have DD aged nearly 4.

Sorry the witch got you Gail, and sorry your body is doing weird things sebs.

We're going to a wedding tomorrow and I'm trying to fight off a cold so I can at least drink lots of wine and make the most of not being preggo yet!

TeaRex Fri 25-Apr-14 10:15:26

Sorry to hear that sebs as for uni if its a September start date could you not just apply and keep ttc at the same time? If you won't loose out on money by going through the application prosess I'd just do it if I were you, you can always change your mind and not go it but if you don't apply the decisions out of your hands iyswim?

bythesea82 Fri 25-Apr-14 13:09:56

Just found out a really close friend is pregnant with their second, kind of guessed it was coming but I am still surprised just how wobbly it's made me feel.
Guess I just had to say that to people who will understand.

Sorry bythesea, it's utterly crap when you hear unexpected preggo news. But it does pass. In time the news gets easier. Hugs to you

Cakebaker35 Fri 25-Apr-14 13:47:24

Sorry bythesea I had the exact same situation a couple of days ago. I'd been feeling really positive, doing really well, and it just hit me like a bolt out of the blue. I ended up telling the friend in question that I'd had a wobble, she was so lovely about it and it was good to not have to pretend, she's too good a friend for that. She totally gets it doesn't mean I'm not happy for her (i am) I'm just sad for me. We had a big hug and it all feels ok now, hope you can do the same x

GandTnow Fri 25-Apr-14 13:48:59

thanks Bythesea its always a kicker, but hopefully gets easier.

Sebs A crystal ball would be ace wouldn't it?! Agree with TeaRex, applying will at least be another focus and something else to plan for. You can always back out if need be.

sebsmummy1 Fri 25-Apr-14 14:05:49

Thanks girls xxx

I would need to do an OU course as an access course in which, can you believe, will cost anything up to 10k (just when the fuck did the OU become crazy money!!!????). So whilst id get a government funded bursary to cover the uni fees. I would have to pay for the OU course and then pass it obviously before I could apply and then were looking at three years from that point plus childcare fees.

It is a huge undertaking but would see me in a profession at the end where there are jobs and a living wage.

I guess I've got a few more months to keep mulling it over. I can't believe how quick this year has gone already tho!!

Cakebaker35 Fri 25-Apr-14 14:22:44

sebs just read your post too fast and thought you were going to retrain as an actress! grin bloody nightmare how expensive it is but if it's something you really feel you'll enjoy then go for it. Applying is sure to produce a sticky bean smile

JonesSchool Fri 25-Apr-14 14:28:33

Sorry bythesea , it's really crappy at the mo. I'm still at the stage of having good and bad hours. I had a mini break down in Tesco's yesterday, waiting to buy a new baby card and another couple with their really tiny baby joined the queue behind me. Only just held it together until I got to the car.
I also have too much time to think, I need to be back at school panicking about assessments, marking and levels not spending hours on google trying to self diagnose. Aargh! Life's not fair!

sebs I agree with the others, no harm in applying and waiting to see what happens

bythesea82 Fri 25-Apr-14 14:52:11

Thanks all and sorry that others are going through the same but guess it's not suprising. sad
sebs are there any other grants which can help with the OU section of it?

HollyBen Fri 25-Apr-14 15:28:47

Thanks for the new thread just
My stats hollyben mc (11 weeks) mar 2011, DD mar 2011, ttc#2 since may 2013, mc (9 weeks) sept 2012
CD28, 7 DPO here

tannyLoo Fri 25-Apr-14 15:32:21

So, I'm trying a photo. How exciting.

Just done an IC OPK, on CD11, and I think it's positive? Opinions would be great.

I'm temping this month and it's a dry run (so to speak), so I could still be a couple of days off OV. I was hoping that the acupuncture had lengthened my cycle...

Sebs, I totally want to just put my life on hold until I'm pushing out a live little sproglet, but I'm just making everything worse for myself. Go for it. Plans have been altered by pregnancy for ever, yours can be too. x

Metalhead Fri 25-Apr-14 16:05:33

tanny when I get a line like this it's still a negative, for me the whole line has to be that really dark red colour (darker than the control line). However I've heard some people on here say they never get a darker line.

I'd keep testing for a few days to see if you get a full dark red line, if not then maybe this is your positive.

This was my positive ic OPK tanny

HollyBen Fri 25-Apr-14 19:28:29

That's as positive as my OPKs ever seem to get tanny I always test the following evening/ day just to check whether it gets any stronger though

tannyLoo Fri 25-Apr-14 19:44:57

Thanks, that is really useful. I've just done another one and it hasn't finished developing but already looks a bit darker so I'll take your advice Metal and keep testing and temping.

I'll still be early to ov though. I'm not due to until Tuesday, and can't see this continuing until then. Gah! Just when I think I've worked it all out!

tannyLoo Fri 25-Apr-14 20:04:11

So, because I can and not because I'm at all obsessive here's the one I just did. This one looks more like yours now, English...

Carly6971 Fri 25-Apr-14 20:37:42

Thanks for the new thread smile and the link or I would still be on the old one lol!

My stats: ttc#1 for 6!!!!years! Surprise bfp jan 14 smile mc 5th Feb 14 sad @9+5 sad my angel that I never got to hold in my arms, but will hold in my heart forever xxx

As for me, 6dpo (I think) and no signs or symptoms either way.

Cakebaker35 Fri 25-Apr-14 22:01:31

tanny, looks positive to me x

carly hats off to you for your commitment to ttc, if there was an icon for a ttc medal then it would be yours xxx

Carly6971 Fri 25-Apr-14 22:09:00

Haha cake never thought we would get pregnant naturally and was going to start ivf this year. However our surprise angel baby has given us both renewed hope that we can do this smile I just want to be a mummy more than anything in the world smile and although this journey is long and heart breaking I can not give up hope of one day cradling my own baby in my arms and having my own family smile x

Sal1977 Fri 25-Apr-14 22:33:56

Ha! It would seem I behave sorted the pissing password thing out at last!!

Missed about 10 pages of updates so what's occurring cookie crew?

Still plodding along here, giving the temping and OV Tests a miss this month, but I'm due to OV on our week off next week, so plenty a bonking on the cards!!

tannyLoo Fri 25-Apr-14 22:53:48

Yay Sal! Nice to see you chick!

Don't blame you for ditching the thermometer and sticks, they're a pain in the arse...

Parsley2506 Fri 25-Apr-14 23:59:28

New thread time already, you bunch of gas bags! wink

I wonder if MN had the comparison of piss sticks in mind when they gave us the ability to post pics? tanny I'd say that looks positive to me but then I don't know anything about those fecking ICs - they never bloody worked for me!

I hope everyone is dandy and chipper, this will sound awful but I've genuinely not really thought much about the MC now for a while. It's like it was all a strange dream and I'm now firmly back in the fertility woes camp instead. I'm sure it'll be back to smack me round the chops big time in June tho, EDD and all that...

I've not read all the way back but big congrats to lovely seasides on the positive scan. Wishing you all the absolute best for the rest of your pregnancy!

Right, I'll go back to lurking now as, to steal Sal's turn of phrase, me and my womb of doom have nothing to report!

Parsley, 32, ttc #1 since March 2012. MMC 11+6 Nov 2013.

officelady Sat 26-Apr-14 06:49:15

officelady reporting for duty on the new thread! My stats
officelady ttc #3, mc 5+2 Feb 2013, mmc 11+5 Mar 2014.

Woke up this morning feeling really REALLY ragey. Normally this means AF is imminent - still not ovulated since the mc in March though - I've been temping and opking and checking cm like a mad thing so I'm sure I haven't missed any signs. I had what I thought was a pretty textbook period at the beginning of April but seem to have had lots of very light spotting throughout the last couple of weeks. I've been a bit down about the whole ttc business this week, it feels like my body has just shut down and that's it. No more chances for me. But in an effort to be positive we've been making some exciting plans for the future without another baby in the equation. Hoping some of that sod's law will work and I'll get upduffed at a really inconvenient time!
Had a major wobble at work yesterday, a colleague very excitedly whispered to me that one of our workmates is pregnant, not planned, top secret etc. I just wanted to scream THAT WAS ME A MONTH AGO, but nobody at work knew I was pregnant or miscarried so I just did my bland face then crept off to the toilets for a self-indulgent weep. I was really cross with myself because earlier in the week another colleague brought her new baby in for a visit and I was truly absolutely fine and I was happy to see her and her lovely little boy. Guess you just can't control how you feel, can you?
I need somebody to slap me round the head with a haddock!

No haddock here Gail... Have a tiny little sardine... It's perfectly normal and acceptable to have days when you feel fine and days when you don't. You're still in the early days, don't beat yourself up about it.
I had my mc in dec and my cycles have been a bit weird since, it takes a while. Maybe just ditch all the TTC paraphernalia for a cycle and allow yourself to switch off a bit from it ( I know it's not easy). Big hug from me

Bollocks! On phone that was obviously for Office!! blush

Littlelady33 Sat 26-Apr-14 08:38:56

Office I'm so sorry for the couple of days you've had (*throws very small fish*). In my experience and from what I hear from the other lovely ladies of this thread you can't expect post MC to be a simple upwards trajectory of feeling better day by day - there are lots of setbacks and it's completely normal. Not helped by hormones being completely out of whack and throwing you off balance despite best efforts.

tannyLoo Sat 26-Apr-14 09:10:06

Parsley hey there, nice to know you're still out there! And I'm pretty convinced MN knew we'd all be comparing piss sticks when we got the chance! Hell, I've got a whole back catalogue I can post!

June is my next EDD date to get through too. I'm past hoping to be upduffed by then, but it'll happen for us both sometime... x

Office I'm totally with you on that one. Someone here noticed that they had a worse reaction to pg women than babies, and that's certainly true for me. Babies are so far removed from my early losses, emotionally, but I should still be pg so am well jel of all pg women.

No fish from me, sounds like you're throwing plenty at yourself x

And I'm going to have to stop throwing kisses around. MN will be withdrawing my photo privileges!

anyhumanheart Sat 26-Apr-14 09:10:46

Hi all, thanks for the new thread just

So so pleased for you seasides, brilliant news!!!

My stats: anyhuman, 35, ttc#2 since April 13, TFMR in Sept 13, MC at 6 weeks in April 14.

I've just been lurking for a while as not much to report. Ordered a load of internet cheapy OPKs and have started using them. Thanks for posting your pics tanny, really interesting for me as today's test for me looked similar to your first pic. So hopefully I will be OVing sometime in the next few days, I'm a bit surprised it's happening so soon actually as I am only 21 days post MC.

Parsley I don't think it sounds awful about the MC being less on your mind. It's the same for me - obv my MC was a lot earlier than yours and surely much less traumatic, but even the TFMR (post-amnio) seems to be getting more and more distant - like you said, a strange dream. Don't be hard on yourself.

Office I'm sure I would also feel weepy if someone caught me off guard with PG news, with the new baby visit you would probably have been expecting it but it's different when it comes out of the blue. really hope you feel better soon cake

Justonemoretime Sat 26-Apr-14 10:39:06

Morning Ladies. this article might be of interest to any looking at the Prof Q route.

tannyLoo Sat 26-Apr-14 18:32:40

Well that was my peak ic opk, as it's getting feinter again.

Great article Just. I still think Prof Q is my next step...

Triplespin Sat 26-Apr-14 19:03:49

Thanks just what I don't understand tough is that the article talks a lot about implantation, but prof q's protocol is to take steroids from bfp. Surely one would need to have treatment from implantation.
Have you been given progesterone supplements only? What did she say about use of aspirin?

sebsmummy1 Sat 26-Apr-14 19:30:16
Justonemoretime Sat 26-Apr-14 19:32:43

Triple, I saw Prof Brosens but had my phone consult with Prof Quenby. She is totally against aspirin, esp pre conception. I have progesterone from day 21-28 (carry on if bfp) then early scan and heparin once confirmed in uterus. Not sure about steroids as my nk cells are ok. It seems its the distribution rather than the number of those?

Justonemoretime Sat 26-Apr-14 19:58:50

Sebs, sorry, I can't see pics on my phone. will check out your thread. hope you're ok. if you're not in pain, I'd try to relax and try to get a scan on Monday? x

Justonemoretime Sat 26-Apr-14 20:06:53

I could see the pic. Looks +ive to me. See GP on Mon if you're worried. I've heard of similar situations being fine so fx it is for too. smile

TeaRex Sat 26-Apr-14 20:37:24

Really hope it's good news too sebs, sorry I've got no experience of this so I'm zero help but fx that you get some answers soon x

Triplespin Sat 26-Apr-14 21:28:54

sebs that looks like a very strong positive to me. Every test is different have you tried with an frer? With that I know you would expect dark lines as strong as the control give how far along you are.

Could you have you dates wrong ie you are not 21dpo but 14dpo? Then the bleed you had last week was most likely implantation. I would be quietly hopeful in our case.

There is absolutely no need to worry about an ectopic. The pain you describr would not emerge so soon. Also you generally have brown or prune juice coloured bleeding.

just what is that reason for heparin? Is that also a blood thinner? Did you test positive for any clotting or sticky blood?

Cakebaker35 Sat 26-Apr-14 21:33:41

Bloody hell sebs that's a corker of a line <trying not to jump up and down with excitement> no experience to offer other than if you're worried see your gp on mon but I so bloody hope this is a sticky bean for you xxx

Triplespin Sat 26-Apr-14 21:42:14

sebs I just looked into it a bit more for you. Two things:
1. Your line is fairly dark and darker than done 14dpo bfps on superdrug hpt posted on "countdown to pregnancy" website.
2. Some people have commented that superdrug hpts lines never got darker with higher hcg.

So I would say you should just relax till tomorrow. You are definitely pg as of now! Call your GP on Monday and hopefully they can test your beta hcg.

sebsmummy1 Sat 26-Apr-14 21:53:17

Ok, deep breath. I just don't see how this can possibly be viable when I've already bled so heavily.

The stats are last period (not counting the one just gone) 24th March , ovulated 5th April (cd13) then I was a day late and started my period just gone on cd27, normal flow lasted about four days with one day spotting which is totally normal. Surely that's my uterine lining gone?

I'm assuming it's a chemical. Only thing that confuses me is the hormone must be increasing somewhat as I am showing a peak on an opk this evening and I wasn't yesterday plus the IC is a little darker.

The plan is to make a GP appointment for Monday but I think I will also ring the EPU as I am on the register with them due to my recent mc and they may ask me to come straight in.

My ov dates are correct backed up by opks and FF, we also didn't have sex in the period between ov and a few days ago.

Parsley2506 Sat 26-Apr-14 22:01:46

If implantation didn't happen till close to your normal period due date, you could still get a 'period' and still be pregnant. Remember it takes 6 - 12 days for implantation to happen.

Glad you've got a plan, I just hope you can stay sane between now and Monday! you must be feeling so stressed, I know I would in your shoes, but hang in there, you'll get your answers on Monday and we're all rooting for you!

sebsmummy1 Sat 26-Apr-14 22:09:56

The thing that screws with my head is how has an egg implanted in my uterine lining when I've bled it out. It just doesn't make any sense. I thought the people that had a bleed either had a light one that didn't really turn into anything or else found out the blood was coming from somewhere else.

Sorry I am just talking into the air really as I know there aren't any clear answers right now. I have some more ICs so I guess I'll just keep testing and see if the lines get darker.

Parsley2506 Sat 26-Apr-14 23:10:58

Completely understandable and sensible things to be wondering sebs but if there's anything the ladies on this thread know, it's that our bodies love to fuck with us, so don't rule anything out!
Stay strong chick, Monday will be here very soon.

Justonemoretime Sat 26-Apr-14 23:59:15

Triple, the heparin is to support the placenta, not blood thinning. I'm normal in that regard. But heparin does something aspirin doesn't to support the placenta and so they want me on it.

Triplespin Sun 27-Apr-14 07:46:46

Thanks just. I will ask my consultant about it as I am getting the regular rmc testing done whilst I wait for my 2 bleeds to see prof Q. So far all my tests have been normal and I have only been recommended progesterone, which I was on at time of my 2nd mc from ovulation, so I don't think it will help.

Justonemoretime Sun 27-Apr-14 08:00:01

Triple, do you know the cause of your last mc? mine was turners and progressed much further than the first two. I was on progesterone and aspirin. Prof Q thinks the progesterone did make a difference, but the outcome was inevitable due to the turners. She also says that it is important that the progesterone is used before implantation, so I start it on day 21. This helps to prepare the lining. Hope this helps. smile

How are you this morning, Sebs? If you are in striking distance of London, Euston, they have a walk in EPU in clinic 3 of the EGA wing. Its open from 9am. Just turn up and they will scan you (take a book, its first come first served). I cannot recommend them highly
enough for putting your mind at ease. Good luck.

Justonemoretime Sun 27-Apr-14 08:01:38

blush Sorry triple, you said progesterone from ov.

Metalhead Sun 27-Apr-14 10:04:31

Morning all! and tentative congratulations to sebs - that line is clear as day! My friend who just gave birth to her second had bleeding early on, I don't know how much exactly but it was enough to convince her she'd lost it, so even though it seems impossible sometimes even a heavy bleed is nothing to worry about. Keeping my fingers firmly crossed that this is the case for you!

Hope everyone else is ok. I'm on my phone so just a short post from me.

GandTnow Sun 27-Apr-14 11:11:46

Sebs, hoping you're feeling ok today and managing not to freak out too much. Really hope you get answers tomorrow. brew

Littlelady33 Sun 27-Apr-14 11:51:42

Thinking of you today Sebs - can't speak highly enough of EPU at UCH, London if you're close enough.

Triplespin Sun 27-Apr-14 11:56:04

just My second one was a natural mc at 6+3 and I didn't have the opportunity to get it tested. It was doomed to begin with as my beta hcg was not rising (doubling) and at 5+3 I was told to stop the progesterone and I naturally mc then at 6+3. It could have been an early chromosomonal issue which of course the progesterone could not have helped with.

No-one seems to think there is a pattern to my mcs. But I do think so. Hoping prof Q thinks so.

sebsmummy1 Sun 27-Apr-14 11:58:47

Much calmer today thank you. Lines are no darker at all, so I think it's a simple case of a chemical pregnancy and I'm still seeing the tail end of the hcg as my tests are all 10miu.

Not sure I will bother with the doctor tomorrow. I'll see how I feel in the morning. My body is making all the signs that it is gearing up to ovulate. EWCM aplenty! So we are going to carry on DTD every other day and keep testing with the OPKs and see if I get a really dark line. At the moment I think the hcg is complicating things but I'm assuming it only had about 4 days to build up so it can't take that long to go down again!!?

LittleMissSunshine33 Sun 27-Apr-14 17:15:33

Sebs must be so confusing for you FX if you choose to go to the doctors tomorrow!

Well after a week of flashing smileys my body decided to finally let go and give me my LH surge but of course typically my OH was away for a stag do well FX his swimmers have stayed to meet the egg on its journey! Bloody painful OV though hot water bottle and chocolates for me whilst planning for next week ... note to self stop looking at how long sperm lives for and get on with maths planning!!

Littlelady33 Sun 27-Apr-14 18:47:19

Darn that's annoying little miss! Although if you dtd pretty regularly up until then you should be ok.

FlorenceandZebedee Sun 27-Apr-14 20:26:48

Hi all,

I'm interested to know what people's AFs were like in the months after miscarriage. I had a mmc (11+5) near the end of Feb but didn't fully mc until the 1st March. 4 weeks later I had a textbook AF: a few cramps, a bit of moodiness and 5 days of bleeding-as per usual. But, this month has been ridiculous, I am now 2 days over and am having a completely confused month (not preg as did a test) I have had cramps since last Tuesday which were very heavy on Friday and lots of twinges in what I think may be my left ovary. Feeling very emotional today, although cramps have pretty much gone, and just want the witch to arrive so hormones can balance and we can move on. Did anyone else have cycles all over the shop?

officelady Sun 27-Apr-14 20:55:10

Yes, yes and yes florence! Had my first "normal" AF 22 days after mc (also a mmc at 11+5). Then came on yesterday, which was only 21 days after the first period. Wtf is that about?! So far pretty "normal" (for me) in terms of moodiness, cramps etc. No unusual bleeding or clots to report. But I am 99.9% sure I have not ovulated at all since the mc so according to Dr Google I'm either going through the menopause (bloody well hope not) or my hormones haven't recovered yet and it's "breakthrough" bleeding while my cycle sorts itself out. Technically it's nearly 3 months since my pregnancy ended (even though I didn't miscarry until several weeks later) but I don't feel like I'm anywhere near back to normal. It is so frustrating! I have decided for my mental health to pretend I'm not ttc any more so have taken up running and am getting myself into shape ready for the summer if we ever get any sun!
sebs crossing everything for you - in your shoes I would be peeing on sticks every day until I worked out wtf was going on. You could also go to the GP for blood tests if you want to check on HCG levels?
Littlemiss let's hope you had some strong swimmers in there hanging around waiting for that egg!
tanny you hit the nail on the head - I'm definitely jealous of pregnant women! How very dare they be all fertile and pregnant when I'm not. It's crazy because I genuinely wish them well, and I will be fine with it eventually, but it's like a slap in the face because I couldn't manage to stay pregnant. Nothing to do with them at all, the problem is 100% mine! I hope it will wear off in time.
Thanks for the cake anyhuman - I have also just taken delivery of 50 opks so that should keep me occupied for a few weeks! Thank god they are so cheap!
Nothing really to report from here - AF arrived as predicted after my foul mood yesterday morning. But on the positive side I ran 5k this morning, my first ever 5k distance and I ran the whole way! I am taking it very slowly, don't want to overdo it, but the feeling I get after a run is just epic - like I could conquer the world smile

FlorenceandZebedee Sun 27-Apr-14 21:06:47

A good call on pretending not to TTC. I feel like my life has been dominated by:TTC, 2ww, bfp/bfn, mc and then back to the start for the past 12 months and crappy hormones are making it so much worse. Glad to hear all over the place is normal. (Also glad to hear it's normal to be insanely jealous of preg women but fine with newborns- thought I was a bit odd :-) )
Good for you with the running, I'm going to try and persuade my hub we need an extension so I can focus my energy elsewhere!!

sebsmummy1 Sun 27-Apr-14 21:13:56

Office I'm shitting myself again as this evenings stick looks darker and I feel nauseous again. I thinking I might use a digi with a conception indicator tomorrow and if it is positive then make a doctors appointment.

Justonemoretime Sun 27-Apr-14 21:19:13

Sebs, if you are pg, the stress won't be helping. Get to the GP. smile x

officelady Sun 27-Apr-14 21:20:36

That sounds like a plan sebs - hopefully they will be able to see what's going on with blood tests or maybe even a scan. It must be a really worrying time for you sad

sebsmummy1 Sun 27-Apr-14 21:25:10

Only reason im even considering not going is my doctor is very dismissive and has been pretty unsupportive throughout my infertility and subsequent miscarriage. I would rather not deal with doctors unless i have to because of this. If i wasn't feeling so bloody weird lately with stomach pains and nausea i might be less wobbly about it all.

officelady Sun 27-Apr-14 21:44:47

Any chance you could ask to see a different GP? I hate going to the doctors so I would probably put it off too! But don't put your health at risk x

silverine Sun 27-Apr-14 22:53:03

Hi ladies, can I pop in? Been lurking for quite a while sothought I'd say hi.
My stats are 31, no DCs, ttc since mid-2012, mmc1 november 2012 at 9 weeks, mmc2 february 2013 at 7 weeks. Took a break then until we did some private testing abroad (thrombophilia, antibodies, DH screening) which showed nothing wrong, apart from low vit D. Was also prescribed aspirin and high dose folic acid just in case as well as various vits.
Been ttcing again since Sept 2013, really going for it last few months especially. Also started acupuncture in the last 2 months but no success.
A cycle and a half ago I had a bfp but then bfns two days later. AF was a total of 8 days late but GPs just said 'period can be late' and did not record it as MC... it still felt really devastating though. Found it difficult to concentrate at work, etc. Currently taking a month off as the pressure was getting too much with all the meds, temperature taking and timed DTDs...
They all say it finally happens when u give up but I don't really want to give up yet as I feel I don't want to let time run away... (DH is 12 yrs older)
We're on long weekend away this weekend, hoping to help us relax a bit!!!

officelady Mon 28-Apr-14 06:58:13

Hi silver, welcome to the club nobody wants to join sad
Very harsh of your GP to not record your latest loss as a mc, in my mind as soon as you get the BFP it is a pregnancy, even if it ends early.
Relaxing is definitely the way forward, am hoping it will work its magic for me too smile

Morning Ladies smile

Welcome Silver, Sorry for your losses. I hope you're not stuck with us here for long.... But you're with a good crowd. Echo what Office said, very harsh of your gp. Regardless of what point you mc, you have still lost a pregnancy and even the very early ones should count, especially when you have a history.

Sebs I hope you get some answers soon. I would probably go to see a different dr at the same practise and hope they're a little bit less dismissive.

FF finally confirmed ovulation for me! Wahoo! So I am now 4dpo. Ridiculously chuffed that I've even ovulated!! smile

Cakebaker35 Mon 28-Apr-14 08:21:09

sebs just a quick message - but please find a different gp, having a good one makes a massive difference to going through all this crap. Keeping fingers and toes crossed for you.

<waves> to everyone else before sprinting out the door x

Triplespin Mon 28-Apr-14 08:26:35

sebs an alternative to the GP would be your local EPU. If its an ectopic you are worried about then they can determine the location of the pg at 5 weeks. They can also test your bhcg levels.

sebsmummy1 Mon 28-Apr-14 08:31:15

Girls, Tranquility on the other thread i have been posted on has just had my exact situation and is in hospital right now having had an ectopic and emergency surgery. So i have just rung the early scanning unit at my local hospital and they wont accept self-referrals so i have an GP appointment at 11.20am. I am absolutely terrified and even more so as Tranquillity got fobbed off and ruptured.

Sebs, try not to worry. I'm glad you're going to the doctors and hope it not bad news for you. Good luck smile

Metalhead Mon 28-Apr-14 08:54:03

sebs I'm glad you're seeing a doctor. Without sounding patronising, if you're that worried I think you'll have to really try and be very forceful and stand your ground if your GP tries to dismiss your concerns. Do not leave that surgery without a referral or at least a blood test!!

I know how hard it is to stand your ground when the 'professionals' seem to brush off your concerns and make you feel like it's all in your head, but sometimes you just have to make a bit of a nuisance of yourself to get heard. Good luck, let us know how you get on. x

EatsCakeForNoReasonWhatsoever Mon 28-Apr-14 09:00:07

May I join in please?

We've been trying for DC2 for nearly a year now, miscarriage in early Feb (I deliberately didn't make a note of the date as I don't want to think about it) - would have been due in September/October.
We've actually taken the last couple of months off, as I had some emotional baggage (of more than one sort) to work through and we were going to start officially trying again after the next AF, but um, we sort of got impatient and are sort of SWI again now.

Already I can feel the question mark hanging over the AF, I'm symptom spottting horrifically (like - i got really nauseous right after DTD the other night - could that mean I'm pg? Pathetic).

Just wanted to come somewhere where I could let the crazy out I guess smile

sebsmummy1 Mon 28-Apr-14 09:20:55

Honest to God you could not make this shit up. Ive just talked to my other nearby hospital who accepts self-referrals. They will not see me. Aren't concerned about my pain, recommended i take Paracetamol and seemingly its perfectly normal to have a full four day period and be pregnant!

I wonder whether it would be wort5h paying for a private scan if i get no joy from the Doctors?

What!! That's crazy Sebs!! Can't believe they can be so dismissive. Really hope your gp is a little more understanding. I'd be inclined to lay it on a bit thick and exaggerate a little. And like Metal says cause a stink!!

Welcome to the nut house Eatscake - sorry for your loss, hope you don't have to stay with us too long!

TeaRex Mon 28-Apr-14 10:09:50

Welcome to eats and silvers, sorry for all you've both been through but we all understand what it's like so hopefully being here will help smile

sebs do NOT leave your doctors without a referral! Just go in, tell them what you want and inform the doctor you're not leaving until you've got it, I bet he caves in just to get rid of you. That sort of doctor just wants an easy day and if you present the easy option as give me a referral and I'll go, he'll take it. Best of luck and let us know how you get on xxxx

sebsmummy1 Mon 28-Apr-14 10:10:48

Honestly English I am so shocked. She kept saying to me, 'are you happy with my advice', and I said ' I am scared'. She said, ' I know, I can understand that, but are you happy with how we've left it'. 'Errrrm, no'.

I have just received a call back from the most lovely midwife at the Tommys pregnancy helpline service. She has just talked me down from the ceiling.

sebsmummy1 Mon 28-Apr-14 10:12:20

Plus I still don't even believe I am pregnant! I having conversations with people based on a series of faint lines. What the absolute fuck!

Littlelady33 Mon 28-Apr-14 10:13:48

Sebs I'm shocked to hear the response you've had. As if we didn't have enough to go through without insensitive medical professionals! What did Tommy's recommend?

sebsmummy1 Mon 28-Apr-14 10:31:21

I'm shocked as well. Tommy's midwife said everything I've told her sounded ok. The bleed could have been implantation. I wouldn't have registered on the 50miu digi I used before my AF as my hcg levels wouldn't have been high enough at that stage and faint lines dont worry her. She also said she would be surprised if it was ectopic.

All very reassuring but I still want a scan.

Littlelady33 Mon 28-Apr-14 10:37:17

That sounds reassuring and dare I say it pretty positive! Are there any other scan options for you? Is London a little too far?

EatsCakeForNoReasonWhatsoever Mon 28-Apr-14 10:40:29

Whereabouts do you live Sebs? It's horrid when you don't know what the hell is going on. Much sympathy

sebsmummy1 Mon 28-Apr-14 11:09:18

I'm in Cambridgeshire Eatscake. I have three hospitals nearby. Two only take referrals through a GP and midwife, one accepts self referrals but are currently less than interested.

By hook or by crook it will get sorted. Just waiting for my Mum to arrive so I can head out to the GP appointment. She is late! Not helpful with my stress levels.

sebsmummy1 Mon 28-Apr-14 11:56:25

I have an update. My GP says im not pregnant. He did a test on a teaspoon of wee I managed to squeeze out and because the line was not as strong as the control he has said it ain't so. I did have a little look and I could see a faint line developing, so I don't think he is right. Maybe half right. I think it might have been a chemical and my body is just clinging onto the hormone.

So I'm off to the hospital to have a blood test done and once again I feel like a silly cow as my GPs face was all hmm

Littlelady33 Mon 28-Apr-14 12:06:56

Oh Sebs you poor thing it sounds incredibly confusing, let us know how you get on at the hospital. Thinking of you and hoping you get answers.

Cakebaker35 Mon 28-Apr-14 12:23:12

Thinking of you sebs flowers hope you get some sensible answers from the hospital. And when the dust has settled a bit do try and find yourself a new gp, yours sounds like a total doofus

tannyLoo Mon 28-Apr-14 12:30:04

What a cock! Once you get some answers complain and switch GPs. Fucking fucker! I'm so angry for you! angry

sebsmummy1 Mon 28-Apr-14 12:40:34

You know I think I just might. I only joined that surgery in the last 6 months and ive seen two male doctors, both of then extremely unsympathetic each time and very patronising. In my previous practice in another county I had a totally different experience, particularly a female GP who was so amazing when I felt ill months after my sons birth a did a full blood profile twice to rule things out.

Sorry I've been so self obsessed. Funny how you get like that when you're scared xxxx

TeaRex Mon 28-Apr-14 12:46:05

You're not self obsessed sebs, as you said you're scared and it helps to know people are behind you even if it's 'only' online. I agree with making a complaint and switching gps too. Hope hospital appt goes ok

Metalhead Mon 28-Apr-14 12:54:22

What a total dick! Line not as strong and therefore you're not pregnant? What kind of pregnancy test is he using where the test line has to be as dark as the control line?!

I hope the hospital staff are more sympathetic and you get some answers from your blood test. Is your appointment today?

HollyBen Mon 28-Apr-14 13:16:42

What an awful few days sebs Hope you get some answers at the hospital. Thinking of you x

Oh and defo complain about gps. It is not acceptable to be dismissive of someone who is scared and seeing reassuranceangry

Triplespin Mon 28-Apr-14 14:08:49

sebs i cannot blv what you are going through and the level of service you have received. That doesnt make any sense about the line being fainter than the control line. Is the GP confused between opk and hpt - has he ever used one before?

I hope the blood test give you more information. What an awful day...

EatsCakeForNoReasonWhatsoever Mon 28-Apr-14 15:37:55

Now there speaks someone who has never POAS themselves!

Cock. Hope you get to see someone who'll actually examine you properly x

sebsmummy1 Mon 28-Apr-14 16:08:41

Thank you everyone.

Ok I have some cold hard facts. The GP rung me back (with egg on his face) and said I have an hcg level of 66. So we are assuming early mc but he wants to make sure levels are going down and not up. He actually called it a mc himself, I was saying chemical, so I'm hopeful it will go in my records as a second mc.

So I'm not mad first of all. But I also don't think I'm pregnant. I've been asked to make an appointment for bloods on Wednesday and Friday just to check what's going on.

Meanwhile my body can't decide if I'm pregnant or about to ovulate lol. It's like Picidilly Circus in my pants grin

HollyBen Mon 28-Apr-14 16:14:22

So sorry it wasn't good news sebs but glad you have some sort of answer. x

GailLondon Mon 28-Apr-14 16:42:27

Hi sebs just catching up with all your developments. Your doctor sounds useless! I'm so annoyed on your behalf that he made you feel silly for going in when you were clearly right! Glad you have those further blood tests booked so you can get a much clearer answer.

As for me, not much going on, have just ordered another big pack of OV sticks and bought myself two lovely new non maternity dresses as I'd been optimistically avoiding clothes shopping in case I got miraculously up duffed again straight away. Ho hum.

Metalhead Mon 28-Apr-14 16:56:12

sebs I'm so sorry it looks like bad news again for you, but at least your GP seems to have got his arse in gear now and is finally taking you seriously! Good luck with the further blood tests.

Nice one on the new dresses Gail! I'm intending to buy myself a new bikini this weekend for our holiday in 4 weeks' time, which also means I'm throwing myself into a last-ditch diet and exercise regime from today. That's if you discount the chocolate biccie I had with my coffee earlier... grin

sebsmummy1 Mon 28-Apr-14 17:20:32

I have been learning so much so thought is update again so it can help people reading this.

I did a bit of research on ectopic just so I was more clued up re. the blood tests snd what the levels would possibly look like if they were looking that way.

I then rung the EPAU back to talk about my blood test results and how the one sided pain I started the day with was still there (very much could be Pilates related. She said that they could not scan until the hormones level reached 1000. So even if I was showing every sign of ectopic, if my levels were under 1000 they wouldn't do anything.

I said to her that what happens if I start to bleed the purple coloured blood they talk about. Would they still leave it? She said then they might get one of the gynaes to do a speculum examination and would go from there.

So it really does sound as though there is very little that they can or will do to be precautionary when it comes to ectopic. It seems that they generally just wait and wait and wait - I guess until you end up in A&E or the blood results give the go ahead to scan. I find it pretty frightening. I am just hoping my blood test goes down on Wednesday and we can get back to TTC.

Triplespin Mon 28-Apr-14 17:37:59

sebs I repeat that does not make any sense!! I have been scanned at EPU with hcg of 477 and they could see a sac and yolk sac (embryo was of course Mia). In any case it is a load of bs that they cannot scan before hcg of 1000. They need to determine if any tissues are still retained and so it is obligatory upon them to scan you to ensure mc is complete. I am completely appalled. I hope you are doing ok through this mess.

english I missed your news from this morning. Wtg!! Here's a "congratulations your body is getting its act together and ovulating" card.

sebsmummy1 Mon 28-Apr-14 17:59:00

God Triple that is mad. Why the fuck am I being told this then? This was the information I was given at The Rosie Addenbrookes, massive maternity hospital!! I went through all the scenarios with her. I said if my next blood tests show a rise but not doubling, what they scan me then? She said no and said they would just keep testing bloods every 48 hours until it hit 1000. If I had bad enough pain in the meantime that I was doubled over and pain relief doesn't work then I need to get myself to A&E.

Why are they so lacksie daisy about this? It can kill women and can result in emergency surgery and the losing of a tube. Makes no sense to me.

Sebs...what a complete pile of shit. I really feel for you. I can't believe the incompetence of some people I. The medical profession. I am glad that the doctor called you back though and you're getting bloods taken. I hope the numbers do go down for you. You've been remarkably strong and patient!!

Thanks triple! Feel like making myself a badge and proudly displaying it!!

tannyLoo Mon 28-Apr-14 18:25:40

Sebs I'm racking (wracking?) my brain to try and remember my hcg when I had a threatened ectopic in Dec. I am absolutely sure it was below 1000. I was called in for scans and blood tests and as I only had a small rise, I was admitted over the weekend for observations. Even when I had a small sac visible, one consultant wanted to remove my tube!

It wasn't an ectopic, just a blighted ovum that I miscarried naturally a week later. Very light bleeding and quick recovery physically.

I really don't get how different the protocols can be across the country!

I really hope you get some answers soon, but I think you're right to think of it as an early mc. I had some stitch type pain on one side and the scan showed a simple cyst on my ovary.

fedupofrainydays Mon 28-Apr-14 18:35:15

sebs I also second that that is bollocks. The EPU scanned me with a low hcg (can't remember what but was below 1000) on the basis I had bleeding and they wanted to locate it. 66 is pretty low though so can sort of see why they aren't concerned but that's not the point is it.

sebsmummy1 Mon 28-Apr-14 18:37:13

Tanny the midwife did say that actually. She said they are often presented with complaints of one sides pain and it is generally cysts on the ovary that ovulated.

Now I am quite excited that I caught on the cycle where we replicated the sex timing of the previous cycles that resulted in conception. I think we may have a formula brewing!! So my recommendations is sex every other day over the fertile window but when you get a peak on your opk you want to be having sex that evening and the following morning. Then you can either have sex again that night and the next day. Or just sex the next day.

This has worked for us three times now, so we are going to arrange it that my partner goes into work late once a cycle so we can DTD that morning (unless it falls on the weekend obviously). Am just really really hopeful I can find an egg that sticks.

Btw anyone know how long it would take for an hcg level of 66 to go down? I should be ovulating in three days time and am getting EWCM. I wonder if I'm likely to ovulate this cycle?

Triplespin Mon 28-Apr-14 19:09:42

sebs - the info she is giving is correct in that you need an hcg of 1000 to normally see an embryo/foetus. But that doesn't imply that one cannot be scanned before then. Your case is different as there is possible threat of an ectopic.

Surprised its Addenbrookes given how well regarded it is.

LittleMissSunshine33 Mon 28-Apr-14 19:21:44

Welcome newbies sorry you find yourself here I hope you have a happy but short journey with us!

Aww Sebs poor you! The not knowing must be the worst thing! Would it still be worth going for a private scan?

I am now in the long and boring two week wait. Who is testing Friday?? I need to live through others!

OttersPocket Tue 29-Apr-14 08:38:14

Morning everyone,

I've been lurking and keeping up with everyone's news but I thought I should pop in to tell you all that I got a very faint frer bfp yesterday and this morning. It's very early days, AF isn't due until Thursday and I'm showing not pregnant on the digis still. After over two years ttc I'm trying not to get too excited and I'm doing my best to ignore it for now (and failing miserably - I've peed on about £60 worth of sticks!)

If you don't mind I'll hang around a wee bit longer - it could all go t**s up still I know!

Oh Otters!! Thats fantastic news!!! grin. Very tentative but MASSIVE congratulations!! Will be thinking of you! Really hope this is your turn to vacate this motley crew, you've been more than patient!!

Littlelady33 Tue 29-Apr-14 09:08:20

Wonderful news otters tentatively extremely excited for you!

HollyBen Tue 29-Apr-14 09:19:33

How exciting otters So pleased for you. Iwill keep everything crossed for a sticky bean x

TeaRex Tue 29-Apr-14 09:22:41

Brilliant news otters smile smile

tannyLoo Tue 29-Apr-14 09:25:16

Ooh Otters! Really really good news! Keep us posted on everything x

sebsmummy1 Tue 29-Apr-14 09:45:05

OMG OMG OMG!!!!!! That's the best news ever Otters grin. I am made up for you darling. Everything crossed for you that you can be shouting about it from the rooftops in no time xxxx

Penguin13 Tue 29-Apr-14 10:42:07

Hooray Otters!!! That is wonderful, wonderful news. Congratulations. Fingers crossed for the most boring pregnancy ever.

Penguin13 Tue 29-Apr-14 10:42:36

Hooray Otters!!! That is wonderful, wonderful news. Congratulations. Fingers crossed for the most boring pregnancy ever.

OttersPocket Tue 29-Apr-14 11:01:44

Thanks everyone smile

You've brought a tear to my eye. I really don't know what I would've done without the support of this thread over the past 6 or so months. I'm trying hard to stay positive and not to freak completely out. The irony of course is that this month I stopped going to acupuncture completely, I stopped taking any vitamins, snake oil etc, and I bought an extremely tight fitting wedding dress for my wedding in July!

I don't feel like I can allow myself to believe it yet, but I hope that I soon can. flowers for you all.

Cakebaker35 Tue 29-Apr-14 12:36:56

Huge congratulations otters, so lovely xxx

sebs how are you doing today? What a mad few days you've had, really hope you're feeling ok today.

Not a lot to report here...except I caved in and did an opk which was a bit daft but showed a fairly strong positive....but dh away! And we aren't supposedly even trying. Now of course I'm being ridiculous as we dtd 2 days ago but won't be able to again til thurs so I'm just annoyed I bothered with an opk...was not even intending to use them ever again and just wanted to go with the flow but seems I've failed on that front already blush

Metalhead Tue 29-Apr-14 12:43:47

Congratulations Otters, it seems the law of sod got you there! I hope you have a happy outcome and a textbook pregnancy.

I think after my suspiciously normal first cycle I'm now having another WTF cycle. CD10 today and I'm feeling all crampy and got some pink cm! What the hell is that all about?! Haven't even started opks yet as I don't usually ov until CD19/20. Maybe it's a very delayed end of AF (proper bleed stopped almost a week ago), or maybe the shortest cycle in the history of the world... who knows. Might do an opk when I get home tonight just to see what it says.

sebsmummy1 Tue 29-Apr-14 12:49:49

Hi girls, I'm fine. All quiet here, hpts still the same faintness so pretty confident I was right with my first diagnosis of chemical. My body loves hanging into pregnancy hormone so I suspect even with a score of 66 it will take a week to zero out!!!

Cake - bloody typical that you get a good opk stick and your OH is away. I can understand why he is less than keen to try again. I think he is trying to protect you from more harm and also himself though he wouldn't probably admit that. Give it a little but more time and I suspect you will both feel ready to try again.

Metal - could it be OV blood?

Metalhead Tue 29-Apr-14 13:08:51

I suppose it could be sebs, though it would be over a week early for me. Also if it is we'll have to write this cycle off as I'm on a week-long course of antibiotics at the moment which you can't take when ttc. angry

Cakebaker35 Tue 29-Apr-14 13:25:32

Glad you're doing ok sebs and it sounds like you were right all along. You are indeed the wise one smile and yes you're right about my oh, he's rubbish at saying how he feels but very protective and wants everything to be ok and for me to be happy. So he is doing the equivalent of sticking his fingers in his ears and going la la la la la! When they were writing cliches of how men behave in difficult situations they based it on him smile

[metal] sorry you seem to be having a wtf cycle! but hopefully all will return to normal next month and you'll be off the antibiotics so you can get on with some serious tith grin

EatsCakeForNoReasonWhatsoever Tue 29-Apr-14 13:47:13

Uff. Been invited to a (not terribly close) friend's birthday party on Friday. A friend who started trying at the same time as me more or less, and will have her 3 week old twins with her. I'm a ridiculous jealous idiot, I know, but life really is unfair sometimes and I'm going to have to go and look all 'omg they're so cute' when really I'll just be an ugly mess of emotions I'll be ashamed to admit to, even to myself.

And how do I deal with this situation? Oh that's right. I offer to make the fucking cake.

bythesea82 Tue 29-Apr-14 13:53:18

Afternoon all,
Congrats otter and good luck!
Glad you're hanging in there sebs
eatscake that's a tough one. Can you get in some nice wine/good book/some other non child treat so that when you leave you can head home and relax and hopefully a tiny part of you can think thank goodness you're not dealing with 3 week old twins? Try and get that part to over ride the part which stamps it's food shouting 'life is not fair'!!

Cakebaker35 Tue 29-Apr-14 13:53:20

Oh dear eats, a tough one but you'll get through it, it's so bloody hard sometimes though. Hopefully you can sit in the corner and drink wine and eat the lovely cake another option is just to tell people what's happened to you - it's not for everyone I know but I've just started to tell people about my mmc because I find carrying the baggage around really hard and sometimes I just want to shut people up with their questions about when's #2 coming along. So far I've been pleasantly surprised with people's reactions and I've also discovered loads of people who've also had mc's but never told anyone til now so it's been pretty liberating all round.

TeaRex Tue 29-Apr-14 13:58:59

Oh eats you poor thing sad you've just done the classic over compensate thing sad why do we do it to ourselves?! By the way you're not ridiculous or an idiot, it's natural to look at someone who has what you wanted and think why not me? Be kind to yourself and you will get through the party (somehow) and be glad you did it and at least you'll have a good reason to eat cake....lots of cake.... X

GailLondon Tue 29-Apr-14 14:21:22

Cakebaker I'm coming round to your way of thinking that when people ask me 'awkward' questions about when baby 2 is coming along that I should just tell them the truth. Mainly because I had been behaving as if I had some huge shameful secret when a MC is not something I should be ashamed of, or should be taboo.
And when people are being particularly annoying it does shut them up quite quickly....

Metalhead Tue 29-Apr-14 15:07:58

Agree with you Cakebaker, DH and I decided that from now on, if the subject of #2 comes up we will just tell people the truth. I'm sick of lying or being evasive, it's just another stress that I really don't need.

tannyLoo Tue 29-Apr-14 15:18:21

Hey, I read this article in the Guardian this morning, and thought it might chime with some of us, although I find it a bit classist tbh...

Guardian Article

And I've told everyone IRL about my MCs, but no one on FB. There everything is a bed of roses. And I agree, people are generally terribly understanding, have their own histories and are much less likely to be bull in a china shop about it all...

EatsCakeForNoReasonWhatsoever Tue 29-Apr-14 16:10:13

Cakebaker - that was the advice I was given on MN when I was upset because stupid people kept asking if I was going to have another/when was I going to have another/it would be so nice for DS to have a baby sibling. I took it and it's really really helped. People who are asking for the right reasons are lovely and supportive, people asking for the wrong reasons get all embarrassed and that makes me feel better too. I'm really not a very nice person sometimes, but only anonymity on Mumsnet will ever get me to admit that ;)

There will be a couple of people at the party who were with me the day I miscarried - my bestest friend and a good mutual friend who was with her when I called and who happens to be a midwife, so I think they'll both be quite sensitive. Getting quite emotional thinking about it all though and I thought I was past that. Another unhelpful point being that the last time I saw the new mum was the day before my MC, so the very last night I went to sleep thinking 'OMG, I'm finally pregnant'. So so nice to have MN to vent on.

At least we're finally trying again, though if we fall this month DC#2 will have almost the same bday as DC#1 (and about a hundred of my in laws) so practically speaking it's not ideal...

sebsmummy1 Tue 29-Apr-14 17:04:44

I was asked recently re. 'just having the one' and I said I would love another one but unfortunately it's not happening for us. The person swiftly changed the subject lol.

sebsmummy1 Tue 29-Apr-14 17:22:22

I keep staring at these bloody hpts and the line has got stronger over the days. Not strong like the control line, but it does seem more distinct now. I keep mulling over if there is any possibility whatsoever that this is an early pregnancy. Like could I have ovulated and then the egg hid for a but and implanted post AF (I swear there are stories of this on the internet lol!!!!).

The only two credible explanations are chemical or ectopic. I will get my answer tomorrow (or else I will be told the blood level has doubled and I will be back here asking exactly how that can be).

Metalhead Tue 29-Apr-14 17:39:08

sebs I can only imagine how frustrating it must be, but I don't think you're going to get an answer by staring at old hpts as the lines can fade/change colour over time. So step away from the pee sticks! wink

Hopefully you'll get a clearer picture of what's happening tomorrow. If your levels are still rising and they still refuse to scan you, could you pay for a private one?

Well, my opk was negative so the cramps and pink cm were definitely not ov-related, which I'm quite glad about. Still would like to know what the bloody hell caused it though. I hope this isn't going to be new thing now - it's bad enough I get random cramping during the 2ww, I don't want it constantly, thank you very much, stupid body!

sebsmummy1 Tue 29-Apr-14 17:45:32

I hate the odd wipe of blood that you notice whilst TTC and of course would never have noticed before because we were normal people before who didn't piss into containers and stare at our toilet tissue/pants every time we had a wee grin

Thank you for the fish swipe. You are correct, staring at days old hpts is a stupid thing to do.

Cakebaker35 Tue 29-Apr-14 17:51:53

That's the spirit ladies, nothing taboo and no shame in mc's, tits out and chins up grin and eats you're allowed to be emotional and have a bit of a wail if you need to, glad there are people in rl who will be there and understanding.

sebs have a bucket of cod for looking at old sticks. That is indeed the route to madness! So bloody frustrating for you, I so hope you get some clear answers tomorrow and I'm trying not to get exciting and woop for you in a very un-mn way just in case it's a sticky bean

Witchesbrewandbiscuits Tue 29-Apr-14 18:16:30

Hi pls can I join?

Mc 5+, dc, mmc 12+, mc 6+

Having rmc tests at present, and booked in for d&c.

Will be ttc once cycles go back to "normal"

Sebsmummy, have you looked into a cheaper distance learning option? If you google access to nursing distance learning centre, access course will come up. It's approx £900 and you can pay monthly. It's a reputable course. Both uni's I have enquired to accept it.

EatsCakeForNoReasonWhatsoever Tue 29-Apr-14 18:33:59


GandTnow Tue 29-Apr-14 18:41:25

Oh my goodness, the whole frigging world seems to be pregnant or holding a new born at the moment. Nearly lost it totally this am in mother and toddler group as woman with 1 week old (and older DC) came and sat with me and DD for coffee time. Soooo hard. sad.

EDD is looming next month and I'm not doing well today. Still had a smear yesterday and so hopefully will get results soon. Chin up, tits out indeed.

Welcome to the nut house witches. Sorry for your losses. I hope you get some answers soon.

Eatscake - fish gets lobbed at anyone over analysing pretty much anything. If its understandable and rational you might get a sardine.... if it is ridiculous expect a tuna round your virtual chops!!

Sebs - hope you get some answers tomorrow. I know i'd be a right mess if I was you!!

I'm also of the mind set that telling people about the mc is better than hiding it. It wasn't my fault, I did nothing to deserve it and the more people talk about it the more normal people who do unfortunately suffer mc(s) will feel. CUTO ladies

EatsCakeForNoReasonWhatsoever Tue 29-Apr-14 19:15:51

Only been here a short time but I love you lot already

FlorenceandZebedee Tue 29-Apr-14 19:57:41

I too have shared my mc news with people. I found it gave the baby we'd lost a level of recognition which was very comforting. It also opened the door for other people to share their experiences and a lovely friend who miscarried the month after me was able to confide in me which was cathartic for us both. It feels like a weight is gone when you don't have to pretend to be fine.
Sebs- hope all goes well, you're doing so well - the 2ww wait is bad enough, this must be agonising. Good luck for tomorrow

mrsdiddlydoo Tue 29-Apr-14 20:13:34

Hello ladies. Big wave

Would it be ok for me to join in please? TTC dc2 since Nov last year and mc on Friday at 10wks. Currently feel like a zombie fluctuating between being ok and not ok!! Looking forward to starting again so to speak. . .

Cakebaker35 Tue 29-Apr-14 20:43:16

<waves> welcome new peeps, may your time here be short and sweet in the nicest possible way.

eats glad you like it here, if we have to be in this horrible post mc limbo land then this is indeed a great place to spend it. And yes you'll get plenty of fish slaps or gentle sardine taps here depending on your level of bonkers-ness.

So I had a nice surprise this eve, thought dh had to stay away for work tonight but no it's been moved to tomorrow and so we've managed an early evening tith session! grin yes yes I know, tmi, but feeling rather excited as I had a pretty positive opk today....ok ok and I need a fish slap even before i start bloody convincing myself this is the month that it will miraculously happen without even trying....argh...just chucked a bucket of haddock over myself.

Lots of love sebs, very un-mn of me but I just so want you to get good news x

Viperama Wed 30-Apr-14 00:42:20

Metal you've reminded me of something, when I conceived back in January, we'd just started trying half heatedly (typical) nit expecting it to happen so soon. I'd just come off an insane 3 day megadose of antibiotics to kick a parasite I'd caught in South America over the new year.

We think I conceived 4 days after my last pill. Could this of affected an mc? Something I've wondered.

Viperama Wed 30-Apr-14 00:42:50

And omg otters, so chuffed for you!!

Penguin13 Wed 30-Apr-14 05:57:00

Just popping in to say Sebs I really hope you get a clearer picture of what is going on today. You've had a bit of a roller coaster few days. Hugs to you.

50degreesintheshade Wed 30-Apr-14 06:27:05


I'm new here, hope its ok to join :-)
Here are my stats, TTC#2, Complete molar pregnancy discovered july 13, 4 cycles of chemo, given the all clear this month to try again.
Just got my AF today, feeling crap.

Justonemoretime Wed 30-Apr-14 06:48:40

Just catching up. Otters congrats! Sebs good luck today.
Welcome newbies, waves to everyone else. 7dpo.... yawn.

TeaRex Wed 30-Apr-14 06:57:55

Good luck sebs hope you get some answers today smile

Littlelady33 Wed 30-Apr-14 07:06:53

Welcome newbies good luck Sebs let us know how you're getting on

EatsCakeForNoReasonWhatsoever Wed 30-Apr-14 07:20:32

Hi 50degrees - sounds like you've been through a wretched time. I know how awful the AF feels when you've been waiting and waiting then you get to try. Just be nice to yourself, eat lots of chocolate, watch films that make you cry and indulge yourself. Ignore anybody who says you need to cheer up. x

Viper - not sure which bit you think might have affected the pregnancy, but I would imagine it's pretty unlikely. Strong anti-biotics can play havoc on your system though. Have you been taking lots of pro biotics and live yoghurt to rebalance yourself?

sebsmummy1 Wed 30-Apr-14 07:59:18

Hi 50 degrees. I had no idea you needed chemo for molar pregnancy? I'm so sorry you have been through such a dreadful time. My GP mentioned a molar pregnancy to me, I'm not sure why though as I don't seem to tick the boxes.

I did another test again this morning and still exactly the same as the other ones (about 10 lol). I have read that sometimes with chemical you get a rise before it dips again. So ideal scenario today would be that it has halved. Nervous that it might have slightly risen, however if so I'm hoping Fridays result will show a drop.

Can't see me ovulating this cycle which pisses me right off sad

Metalhead Wed 30-Apr-14 08:35:06

Good luck today sebs, and welcome to all the newbies.

viper I checked with my GP re: the antibiotics and he said its fine to take them before ov as they don't affect the egg, it's just once you've conceived that they could potentially harm the embryo.

HollyBen Wed 30-Apr-14 11:20:46

Hello newbies. Sorry you find yourself here but it's not a bad place to hang out to wait for that bfp.

Hope you get some answers today sebs

So cd33 in the hollyben house. DPO12 and no spotting (usually dpo11 since mc). Ridiculously painful post ov boobs (another post mc fun experience) are now just a bit tender (usually goes a few days after af arrives). Been feeling a bit nauseous now and again...... So is it possible that the edd/anniversary tith has done the trick or am I setting myself up for a big disappointment?

TeaRex Wed 30-Apr-14 11:37:15

Oh, fingers crossed for you holly and hello to the newcomers, sorry for all you've been through.
I keep checking to see if sebs has updated, I really should be working....

Welcome newbies! Sorry you have to be here, but pull up a pew and get comfortable. I hope you don't have to stay too long!

Fx crossed for you Holly, when will you poas??

sebsmummy1 Wed 30-Apr-14 12:57:36

Oooooh Holly that sounds very exciting!!! Fingers crossed she stays away chick. Keep us updated xxx

I'm off the the hospital now to give a blood sample. Might find out later today or it could be tomorrow.

EatsCakeForNoReasonWhatsoever Wed 30-Apr-14 13:29:58

Good luck sebs. Hollycan you explain please CD?
Not really up on all my terminology as we're going with the swi approach, though that may change

Cakebaker35 Wed 30-Apr-14 13:33:44

Wow exciting holly, keeping it all crossed for you

And sebs hope you get some answers nice and quickly

eats cd = cycle day x

Cakebaker35 Wed 30-Apr-14 17:15:50

A question for you opk experts... So it's cd16 here and yesterday and today I've had pretty strong positive opk results (having said I wasn't going to use them, here I go blush) I'm new to using them and am using superdrug own brand ones if that makes any difference. Anyway we dtd yesterday, no chance today as dh away and he may be tomorrow too. My question is really is there any point in dtd on fri (cd18), other than just for fun of course?

Metalhead Wed 30-Apr-14 17:38:49

I'd say it depends on whether you get another +ve tomorrow; if you do then Friday is still a good bet, if not it's probably too late by then (though having said that I would probably still try and dtd again, just to cover all bases).

sebsmummy1 Wed 30-Apr-14 17:43:08

I agree with Metal. Generally I find that I know I have ovulated when the EWCM is gone and I am totally dry for a couple of days. When you are dry it is normally too late. But there is no harm DTD anyway, just incase ;)

Well I rung the docs surgery before they closed and they have no results for me, will have to wait until tomorrow.

Cakebaker35 Wed 30-Apr-14 17:47:30

Thanks both, I'm getting a bit confused between ewcm and whether it is just dtd 'leftovers' - sorry tmi blush I'll try another opk tomorrow and see what's what.

sebs so hope you get some results nice and early tomorrow, all the waiting must be so frustrating.

In fact ttc seems to be all about bloody waiting doesn't it, sigh.

50degreesintheshade Wed 30-Apr-14 18:38:50

Hi Sebs, needing chemo for a CMP is very very rare. I however was one of the unlucky ones :-( I have been all clear for 6 months now and I am no longer a crazed hormonal woman which makes a nice change after the last 10 months.

I have a quick question about these opk stick thingys. Are they worth using? I don't live in the UK and over here the clear blue ones retail for 45 pounds a pack! and unfortunately amazon wont deliver them to me :-(

50degrees - Sounds like you've really been through the mill!! Try ebay or opks. Where are you?

Cakes, i'd probably dtd friday too, just for good measure!

sebsmummy1 Wed 30-Apr-14 18:50:58

Cake - generally 'leftovers' will sink into the tissue. The times that I've been puzzled over what is EWCM and what is sperm only to find at other times of the month when I'm not fertile I never have anything like EWCM to ponder after sex. Which made me come to the decision that fertile mucus is always fertile mucus. Not sure if that made sense lol.

50 degrees it sounds like you have really been through it. I don't know enough about it to offer anything other than sympathy, but I can say that opks are pretty useful tools as long as you don't have PCOS as I think that can affect the result.

Talking of opks I poas tonight and I have more of a peak stick than my other peak sticks from the two nights just gone. So either the pregnancy hormone has got stronger or my LH is kicking in. I will try and DTD tonight but honestly I feel so sad it's really hard to feel playful. I just now to quietly weep in a corner and rock a bit.

50degreesintheshade Wed 30-Apr-14 18:52:16

I am in Dubai so getting stuff sent here is difficult and there is no logic to it. I can order clear blue pregnancy tests from amazon but none of the ovulation kits...makes no sense to me. I keep popping into boots over here to see if they have their own brand but apparently they are on the boat coming over.

Just trying to get organised for trying again this month, atfer being forced to wait for 10 months I feel that I need to take control of the situation I am just so fed up of all the waiting.

Cakebaker35 Wed 30-Apr-14 19:34:06

Thanks sebs that's really interesting, had never bothered to pay much attention to it at other times of the month which just goes to show obsessing over these few days means you stop paying attention to your body the rest of the time. I really feel for you lovely, I know it's rubbish but if you feel sad then perhaps a nice bit of tith might cheer you up? Or if feeling totally not into it then don't beat yourself up, have some cake and put your feet up, you deserve a break from all this x

50degrees I also have no experience to offer but just wanted to say sorry you've been through such a shitty time. As for opks, I think the jury is out on whether they are helpful or just make you obsessed and take some of the pleasure out of ttc - I think you'll find plenty of opinions but in the end it's personal choice and I think down to your personality. I haven't used them before now as I can get a bit obsessive about details and feel it might just make me even more bonkers about all this than I was before blush I'm only using them now as I was curious to see if I'd ovulate this cycle, which is the first one since my mmc. And of course opks don't guarantee you have ovulated, they're still just an indicator. So I'm undecided. I know plenty of people who swear by them, others who have never touched them.

GailLondon Wed 30-Apr-14 19:45:06

Hi 50degrees !
I'm quite a fan of opks, I found out through them that I ovulate regularly on day 20, when is previously assumed it must be around day 14 so had been dtd at totally the wrong times.
The clear blue ones are expensive, I use the 'internet cheapie' ones from eBay or amazon and they work perfectly - the ones that are just a little paper dip strip. Can you get those where you are?

Witchesbrewandbiscuits Wed 30-Apr-14 19:46:12

�� at Dtd leftovers!

Congrats otters, wonderful news thanks

Witchesbrewandbiscuits Wed 30-Apr-14 19:46:39

Oops that was an iPhone emoji. Meant crying with laughter.

Viperama Wed 30-Apr-14 19:54:36

Thanks for antibiotic info Metal that puts my mind at ease a bit thanks

silverine Wed 30-Apr-14 21:03:11

Hi gals,
50degrees I'm one of the people not that keen on opks. They've never really shown strong ov for me but I do get the mucus. So I think that and temperature charts are a better indicator. Also opks would make me too obsessed about dtd on specific days, which can be stressful. Dtd every other day throughout the middle of ur cycle is probably just as effective.
I've been stressing and obsessing about ttc lately so I'm going to try to take it easier now, dtd as often as possible but not stressing if we can't...
The long weekend break was really good and relaxing, lots of nature walks etc. So we should both return to ttc reinvigorated soon.
Cd 21 now, expecting AF in the weekend and will resume acupuncture soon after. I sound all positive now but ask me again next month!!! wink

sebs good luck with the results! Don't beat yourself up though if u want to take a break. It may do u the world of good!

Jo178 Wed 30-Apr-14 21:11:10

Hi ladies, I'd like to join please if that's ok!
I'm ttc #2 since Dec 13, CP 8th April.
I'm currently in the 2ww and feeling very 'meh' about it all.
I'm 5dpo today and usually I'd be bouncing of the walls and symptom spotting like crazy by this point.
CP has knocked me a little and for some reason I just feel that the same is going to happen if I did get pregnant again. sad

LittleMissSunshine33 Wed 30-Apr-14 21:25:45

Hi newbies sorry you find yourself here but it's a great place to stop and chat for hopefully a short while!

Sebs poor you how frustrating!

50degrees I couldn't get on with other OPKs was never sure the line was ever dark, clear blue is v expensive but I find them really good especially the ones which tell you your high and peak fertile period and you can start humping as much as poss from to to peak!

Has anyone tried grapefruit juice to show more EWCM? I have tried it this more and much more and clearer EWCM results!! Plus really symptoms spotting and it's worse than it was before MC because now I'm comparing it 'did I feel this last time?' 'Did my boobs hurt this early before?' ... Think I may need a tiny fish slap

LittleMissSunshine33 Wed 30-Apr-14 21:27:29

I have tried it this *month smile

Littlelady33 Wed 30-Apr-14 21:41:53

It's a tricky one 50degrees they don't work for everyone although obviously it's nice to have the option and very annoying you can't buy then there. The month I got pg I had strong ovulation signs, dtd, got my BFP but failed to ever show a positive on an opk - perhaps wrong time of day etc but it's quite hard to get out of the office to poas more than once an afternoon! They work so well for some people so worth considering but plenty swear by temping which can also be quite a good indicator. Interesting point though Gail about them showing you when you ov. I also spent a couple of months giving up after cd 14 before clocking on to fact it was more like cd 21!

silverine Wed 30-Apr-14 22:09:47

Jo I had CP 8 months into ttc after 2 MCs. Because it had no physical symptoms, I thought I'd be fine but it really hit me hard mentally... to the point of struggling at work.
I would say, try and switch off a bit, take a break maybe. ..

That was 2 cycles ago now and feel much more positive now. Tomorrow I have an assessment with bereavement counselling services through which was suggested to me after the CP. Has anyone had those, what can I expect? Do you think it might only set me back again?? hmm

JonesSchool Wed 30-Apr-14 22:14:54

Hello all, I have been hiding away for a while.
Have been to the GP's today ( who was rather handsome and charming and probably my age, why wasn't he old and grey, would have been so much easier!) I went to check both early miscarraiges were recorded so if it does happen again it's all on record, at EPU I very much felt I had to prove to them that I had really been pregnant.
He didn't offer a lot if help, as expected explained he couldn't do anything until 3 miscarraiges but did agree it was strange that I fail to get past 5 weeks. He tried to explain I must have a very efficient body that recognises very quickly when something isn't right! Not sure about that one.

I talked to him about taking baby aspirin and he agreed it wouldn't hurt to take it even before a positive pregnancy test so will give that a try. Has anybody else done this or had experience with this, I read very mixed reviews.

I have also started reflexology, again not sure if this will work but a very nice expensive foot massage.

sebs I really hope you get some answers soon.
50degrees do you have a close trusted friend who could forward a package of OPK's, they are so much cheaper on amazon. DH has no problem with them, we have a chuckle about it and he knows when there is 2 dark lines it's time to do the deed!

Triplespin Thu 01-May-14 07:10:43

jones glad that the GP gave you some advice. There is indeed mixed views on the cant hurt aspirin. If you don't have a blood clotting issue St Mary's and Prof Q both think that it can do harm. Others of course happily suggest it on a cant hurt basis.

fifty ouch that is expensive for opks. Maybe you can ask a someone close visiting the UK to buy a big stock. I don't know what I would do without them. They have worked well for me three times, so the bean did not stick.

Triplespin Thu 01-May-14 07:11:14

holly fx for you. When will you poas?

sebsmummy1 Thu 01-May-14 07:50:56

Could really do with some answers today. Lines are still there and going nowhere. Considering I was pregnant for about three days in total before I bled out I am amazed this hormone is still around! I think it proves just how crazy sensitive these ICs actually are.

sebsmummy1 Thu 01-May-14 08:33:09

So my doctor has just rung me and attempted to congratulate me on my 'early pregnancy'. Apparently my numbers have doubled to 108. I said that my maths isn't brilliant but my understanding is that 66 and 66 make 132 so 108 is less than double particularly when I am meant to be near on 6 weeks.

He was trying to be all happy, I was not happy in the slightest as this makes no sense at all and I can't make is make sense without the end result being a bad one.

I give more blood on Friday and find out the result on Tuesday!! Perfect.

I have no bleeding, loads of milky white discharge, no pain. If it's not ectopic could it be a miraculous conception? Am I growing a baby prophet in my bare, unstripped uterus? Could I be having a phantom pregnancy like a Labrador? Answers on a postcard please.

Sebs... Could you possibly have got your dates wrong?? Try not to think the worst. If on tuesday they've doubled again I would demand a scan. It must be really confusing for you, but try not to stress. I'm ever the optimist (usually), will keep my fingers crossed for you that this could indeed be good news. Hugs

Cakebaker35 Thu 01-May-14 08:41:34

Blimey sebs well it's not exactly doubled but almost, I guess that's what the gp is getting at. But <whispers> for now you are pregnant! You can analyse away but unfortunately you won't get any answers for a while, so so frustrating for you. You're not in pain, you're not bleeding, these are positives to cling onto until you know more. Now have a tiny minnow slap and try to eat cake and distract yourself as much as you possibly can til tues. Keeping everything I can cross crossed for you xx

sebsmummy1 Thu 01-May-14 08:45:04

Nope, sadly not. I had sex on the 2nd 3rd 4th 5th April, ovulated on the 5th and this was confirmed by opk and temp rise on FF.

I then got my period one day late on the 19th - no sex at all in the intervening time. I was testing faint positive two days after my period ended -so the 24th April. We had sex again on the 23rd and 27th April. That's it! No late ovulation, no hot steamy teenage sex session I've forgotten. Bollocks.

sebsmummy1 Thu 01-May-14 08:47:47

Thanks cake but this is no way a viable pregnancy sadly. The numbers are so ridiculously small.

He said they won't scan me until the numbers get way higher and if I can pain or funny bleeding to ring the hospital. Marvellous. Let's just wait and see if she ruptures. Got to love the NHS.

Cakebaker35 Thu 01-May-14 08:50:33

Pay for a private scan if you can sebs, I think this would really help x

If the numbers continue to go up... i'd perhaps feign pain!! Little bit of over exaggeration won't hurt. Or yes, pay for a private scan if you can.

Metalhead Thu 01-May-14 09:23:01

sebs I totally get why you're expecting the worst, but here's my thinking: if you tested negative on the 19th you can't have implanted much earlier than that, in which case I think your hcg levels could still be in the normal range. And the fact that they have as good as doubled is encouraging. So if you ignore the bleeding (which I know seems crazy!) I can see why your GP is being positive.

Having said that, I know none of this will put your mind at ease. Is there any way you can pay for a private scan? I think that's the only way you'll get the reassurance you need. x

sebsmummy1 Thu 01-May-14 09:35:36

I think ignoring the bleeding is one of my main problems!! Does anyone know if the lining continues to increase during pregnancy. Say by dome sort of miracle I am growing an egg in there, would my lining be getting thicker?

sebsmummy1 Thu 01-May-14 09:36:58

Thank you all by the way, I am just trying to process this without FREAKING OUT anymore and just writing stuff down helps.

Cakebaker35 Thu 01-May-14 09:55:41

Scan scan scan sebs it will help with the freaking out x I paid for a private one to confirm my mmc (hosp couldn't fit me in for ages) and it was a very ££ spent.

Cakebaker35 Thu 01-May-14 09:56:19

That was meant to say worth every ££ spent

sebsmummy1 Thu 01-May-14 09:58:50

Cake - I am researching now to see if there is any scan particularly geared towards ectopic. With such low numbers I can't see anything would be visible and so I'd be left with more concerns rather that answers if they see nothing in my uterus.

HollyBen Thu 01-May-14 10:00:35

Sorry you are still in this awful limbo sebs No wise words or advice but I am thinking of you.

The answer to my question yesterday was Yes you are setting yourself up for disappointmentsad I have had some bit of red spotting when I go looking for it so looks like just more changes in my cycleangry I will phone the gp later and get an appointment to get the fertility clinic referral going

Cakebaker35 Thu 01-May-14 10:05:16

sebs I think you're near Cambridge? Sorry if I got that wrong but if not I found these links which I hope might help...




Triplespin Thu 01-May-14 10:18:23

sebs while not textbook, the increase in your hcg sounds positive. There are lots of cases with slow rising hcgs where things have turned out ok. I agree though instead of waiting for numbers to double, you may want to get a private scan. At least you can relax if they find a sac in the right place?

50degreesintheshade Thu 01-May-14 10:27:32

Sorry to hear what you are going through sebs the waiting really is the worst part. I have no idea what a scan costs in the UK but they really did use to put my mind at rest.

I might allow myself to buy one pack of overpriced opks (I cant get them sent from the UK as I do not want anyone to know that we are trying again) I got addicted to buying pregnancy tests as after the chemo nothing made me happier than seeing a negative test!

sebsmummy1 Thu 01-May-14 10:41:29

I'm trying to work out whether anything would be visible at just over 100. I could end up having a scan where they see nothing in my uterus due to it being too early and all I'm going to do is assume it's in my tube instead!

sebsmummy1 Thu 01-May-14 11:25:32

I've rung the fetalcare private scan company based at Addenbrookes and just waiting for a phonecall back from one of the midwifes. If they say it's a waiting game I will just have to sit on my hands.

Triplespin Thu 01-May-14 11:27:41

I think they can't see a foetus with such low numbers but they should be able to see a sac in the right place.

sebsmummy1 Thu 01-May-14 11:28:32

Thanks triple. I was thinking the same xx

TeaRex Thu 01-May-14 14:52:26

sebs sorry you've still not got a clearer picture about what's going on

And holly hope it isn't bad news and AF stays the hell away from you

And opks don't seem to like me either 50 but you won't know till you try smile and you could be one of the lucky ones they really help

Having the shitest day at work, been crying in the loos, it just gets worse everyday here sad anyone on this board actually like their job?

eatscakefornoreasonwhatsoever Thu 01-May-14 16:03:02

I like mine but the pay is almost non existent. Actually, This month it is totally non existent. Sigh

Cakebaker35 Thu 01-May-14 17:15:24

Been thinking of you sebs, hope you've had a call back?

tea I like my 'job', I'm a sahm now! Left the rat race of corporate life, never looked back. I'm considerably more skint now but so glad to be out of it and enjoying dd for the time being. I'll go back to work sometime, but not to those long hours and time away from home even though the money was good, it's not enough. Hope you can find an alternative, if you're crying in the loo it is time to get yourself out before you get seriously depressed x

sebsmummy1 Thu 01-May-14 17:36:53

Cake - I wish I had positive news. I never received a call back. I feel as though the medical profession has officially washed their hands of me and it matters not a jot to them if this turns into an emergency situation. I have reached out to so many people now and everyone of them has said I have to wait and see.

I am going to sit down tonight and right a timeline of every person I have pleaded with to help me and if I do lose a tube at the end of this I am going to sue the arses off them.

Metalhead Thu 01-May-14 17:54:46

I'm so sorry sebs, that's just so rude of them to not call you back! Don't really know what else to suggest other than hang in there. At least you're getting another blood test tomorrow.

Tea I also hate my job and am looking for something new. On paper it is a good job - I work from home and have a good salary and benefits. But I've tried to look at the positives and just put up with the negatives and I simply can't do it, it is getting worse for me as well and I just dread Monday mornings. I don't even expect to find a job I love, just something that doesn't fill me with dread every time I think about it would be nice!

Cakebaker35 Thu 01-May-14 18:06:31

Oh sebs that's just so awful, I'm amazed a private clinic wouldn't call back, you poor thing sad i've had such great care and positive experiences with medical folk, it just makes you realise what a lottery it all is and I'm so so sorry you're left in limbo like this. Hoping your blood tests tomorrow reveal something useful for you. Thinking of you flowers x

silverine Thu 01-May-14 18:24:32

Hi girls
sebs, brew cake!

Anyone had counselling for the MCs? How did you feel about it, did it help?
I have an assessment with bereavement counselling services tomorrow. This was booked quite a few weeks ago now, when I was down in the dumps. I'm feeling much better now (after a nice break), although will never be 100% again about it all. But do you think the counselling and delving back into it all might only set me back again??

LittleMissSunshine33 Thu 01-May-14 19:01:36

Sebs how heavy was your bleed? Some time implantation bleed can continue for days but is usually lighter than a normal period??

Tea I have to say I love my job! I am a reception teacher which is quite full on and hard work but I love it!

50degreesintheshade Thu 01-May-14 19:19:48

sebs I am sorry to hear how let down you have been by the medical profession. It can be hard to find the right people to help you.
silverne I had lots and lots of counselling. Looking back I am not sure I would have coped without it. For a long time I did not allow myself to grieve. I use to say to my counsellor how can I grieve for a baby which only ever existed in my head? But once I started it was like a dam burst and my counsellors (both in the UK and Dubai) helped to rebuild me and my life. I still see one occasionally if I am having a down day (they are getting fewer over time) and we do joke about how many boxes of tissues I use to get through in a session.

Tea I like my job as a stay at home mum, but I would love to work part time! Unfortunately finding a part time job over here is like gold dust and since my husband works in a different emirate and travels......no chance! Thinking about going back to studying, but worried I would have forgotten how to......

TeaRex Thu 01-May-14 19:33:22

God sebs I'm so sorry, that's really appalling treatment you're getting from all sides sad x

I used to love my job, had a lot to do with the people rather than the work but I liked going in but a lots changed over the last two years- it's a small company owned by a much larger one, and they're trying to get all areas of the business in the same systems/working together etc which is actually a good thing, at least it would be if they bothered to tell us stuff and actually plan changes in advance etc it's all just gone tits up and the mmc means I don't have as much to give emotionally if that makes sense?
Unfortunately it pays me about £3,000.00 more pre tax than similar jobs and we need the money so I'm stuck for at least this year (though we could all be made redundant before then which I was dreading but now can't wait lol) I'll get over it, just a really bad day but as we all know worse things happen sad x

sebsmummy1 Thu 01-May-14 19:33:58

I've been reading lots tonight and whilst all my signs are pointing towards ectopic they are following the correct protocol by closely monitoring me with the blood testing. It does seem there is little more they can do at this stage. I imagine they don't want to scan at this stage as it would most likely show nothing and cause me to panic. I suspect if my hcg levels start getting towards the 1000 marker they will get me in.

I know this isn't viable based on hcg levels. So I've got to hope it is absorbed which often happens, even in the Fallopian tube would you believe! The body is remarkable.

I thought the Methotrexate injection would just solve the problem but now I understand you can't TTC for 3-6 months after because if potential birth defects for subsequent pregnancies.

Never has a complete natural miscarriage seemed so appealing!

50degreesintheshade Thu 01-May-14 19:46:00

Sebs have you had the methoxrexate shot? I had a course of 16 over a 3 month period. TTC afterwards is a really grey area with no clear answer of when it is safe to try again. I have yet to find two drs who agree! However the longest wait time I was ever told was 6 months and the shortest was 2 months.

sebsmummy1 Thu 01-May-14 19:47:42

No i haven't. I guess i thought it was the silver bullet and i would take it if it was offered down the line. Didn't realise it came with health implications of its own!

Witchesbrewandbiscuits Thu 01-May-14 20:51:45

Aw so sorry sebs. It's that unknown that drives you crazy.

I've been considering counselling so good to hear it's helpful.

sebsmummy1 Thu 01-May-14 21:07:43

I've just emailed another scanning place and tried to outline the situation succinctly and see if they would scan me to look for a mass in my tube and/or free floating fluid. Hoping they will say just come in and we will have a look with the dildo cam.

tannyLoo Thu 01-May-14 21:08:18

Sebs I really feel for you. I was in such a similar place, except my belief was that I wasn't experiencing an ectopic and everyone else thought I might well be. It was like I was wading through treacle getting them to hold off with Methotrexate (a shot of chemo) or whip out my right tube. I kept getting raised eyebrows when I went for the "conservative" option of watching and waiting. I would look at symptoms of blighted ovum or failed pregnancy, because they sound similar with the low HCG levels. Even a glimmer of light sounds as if it could be useful now. Hope the blood test is useful tomorrow...

Tea I hate my job so much that since my last MC in Feb, I've been so stressed that I haven't gone back! I'm now taking action after burying my head in the sand and am resigning. My credit card is going to end up maxed out and I'm selling my wedding dress, but life has to mean more than dead babies and shitty dead behind the eyes jobs. Sorry that sounded quite angry, huh? But I do think all of this takes it out of you, and makes you realise all the other bits of your life that could do with an overhaul.

Silver yes, I had some counselling, actually as I was going through my last MC, which was a bit odd. I didn't get much out of it, but the timing and wrong genitals of the counsellor didn't help much. He kept looking like a frightened rabbit every time I mentioned blood or bits! It was arranged through my works EAP scheme, so was only 6 sessions. I've had much more positive experiences of counselling before, and I think it's particularly effective for grief. I hope your session goes well tomorrow.

In my life, I've been applying for a new job in my old organisation, which is a bit weird. I'm also getting used to hearing aids, waiting for blood test results, and had a smear (all clear). Still got achy joints from arthritis flare up a few weeks ago, and interestingly, if I do have rheumatoid arthritis, there is a link between that and APS. Could explain everything very neatly, if a bit depressingly. It's my birthday on Monday, so I will be the answer to the ultimate question (a bit of a nerdy one).

Sorry for the essay, it's not like I'm avoiding going back to my job application or anything...

Triplespin Thu 01-May-14 21:36:04

Sorry sebs you are still in a limbo.

tearex, I have had a cry several times at work and once in a meeting with my manager. My work is good and interesting but there are some people who really make my life difficult and despite my making all sorts of effort, I feel they treat me very unprofessionally. Now I have just tried to develop a thick skin and not let things bother me.

sebsmummy1 Thu 01-May-14 21:41:06

Thanks tanny. It's that period bleed combined with the low hcg that's scaring the living shit out of me. The only vaguely upbeat thing I can report is some signs of a decent level of progesterone, of course I have no idea if they are even measuring my levels of Progesterone, I suspect not.

Oh darling you sound totally worn out. I know how demoralising a litany of health problems are. Particularly if they are chronic. I hope you get your diagnosis and can get a treatment plan in place. Hand holding here xx

tannyLoo Thu 01-May-14 22:07:35

Thank you sweets! I think you deserve a "keep up the good progesterone levels" card. Keeping everything crossed x

silverine Thu 01-May-14 22:20:08

Thanks for the advice, 50degrees and tanny - both very different experiences with the counselling.
I am a bit sceptical to be honest. I'm quite a pragmatic person, don't get emotional too easily, and even less so since the MCs (I can find it hard to feel sympatheric to others, for example), so I'm not much into the emotional stuff.
I fear I might get dragged down into negativity and feeling sorry for myself again... But I guess if they are positive in their attitude rather than dig into it, it might help me feel more positive going forward.
I don't even know if that made sense - see, I'm not good at expressing emotional stuff!

officelady Fri 02-May-14 07:10:38

Morning gang! This thread fell off my "threads I'm on" list, I have been very good at reading all the replies, not so good at actually posting anything blush
sebs I hope you get actual concrete answers today - from the blood tests if nothing else. What a worrying time for you - I would be going insane by now!
And to all the people talking about work - I very nearly posted something this week asking about work - I am finding it really hard to be enthusiastic about my job at the moment. I used to love it but when I found out I was pregnant I think that a part of me had been looking forward to maternity leave and a break from the daily grind. Bah. Stupid miscarriage angry
And as for me - still no ovulation. I haven't ovulated since December 2013. OK so 3 of those months I was pregnant (but not really due to mmc situation) but where oh where is my next egg? I have started to wonder at what point I should check if this is normal - 3 months after mc? 6 months? And will the docs even do anything at my age (43)?

Have just realised it's Friday! Any POAS taking place today?

Penguin13 Fri 02-May-14 07:49:25

Hi all. Sorry to hear so many of you are having such a tough time, especially you Sebs I can only hope that you get some real answers soon. I am disappointed for you at a lot of the treatment you've received.

Can totally relate on the job front. I was working for a large international charity and loved my job until the workload became crippling. It was lucky I had my own office as I used to cry every single day at least once. I realise looking back that I was burnt out but it took leaving to realise how bad things had become. There are now 3.5 people doing the job I used to do single-handedly (or try to). There is a better future out there for all of you job-haters even if it doesn't feel like it. I believe you need to look at alternatives ASAP. Incidentally my maternity benefits are shit compared to the package I would have got had I stayed but I am 100% convinced that had I stayed I would have been too stressed/ill to conceive.

I have some other good news on the 'things get better' front which I hope will bring you all some hope. I went for a scan at 8+6 yesterday and we saw our little bean actually looks like a guinea-pig measuring 8+5 and with a strong heartbeat that we saw and heard.

I'm not sure I have ever properly told you all how much I appreciated the support of each and every one of you throughout my journey from just after my mc feeling so let down by my body and wondering if I would ever conceive again, through tentative steps back into ttc and TITH fatigue, to the high of my BFP and the low of being convinced I'd had another mc. Anyway I just wanted to say I couldn't have got through this without you and you are all amazing, strong women. I wish for all of you to get your take home baby so very soon thanks

Carly6971 Fri 02-May-14 08:01:37

Penguin so happy that everything is going well for you this time round smile how amazing to hear babies heartbeat smile and you lovely msg made me cry (I am due a visit from af - hormones are my excuse for wussyness) all the best for the next 7ish months...eeeeek! And please keep us updated on the odd occasion that your passing xxx

Sebs hope today brings answers for you smile what a nightmare time you are having! X

No news here 13dpo and waiting for af x

Metalhead Fri 02-May-14 08:03:08

Aww Penguin, that's lovely news! I'm really chuffed for you! smile

Witchesbrewandbiscuits Fri 02-May-14 08:20:50

Fantastic news penguin thanks

Ahhh Penguin, I'm really chuffed for you. Your message made me well up. I hope we can all join you on the an threads soon. Wishing you the most boring, healthy pregnancy ever! Keep us updated! smile

Cakebaker35 Fri 02-May-14 08:37:21

Fantastic news penguin and such a lovely message flowers

sebs hoping the blood tests give you some more concrete answers and today is a better day xx

To all those in jobs they hate, get yourselves out before you end up a wreck like I did! Terrible place to get to. And also won't help you conceive. Like penguin- I left good package/mat benefits but I'm convinced if I stayed I would've been way too stressed to conceive.

Cd18 here so no a lot to report here, did an opk yesterday and got only a v faint line so seems my peak was around cd15/16. We've hardly dtd so it's just a case of waiting for AF to show up, it'll be interesting to see how long this cycle is as it's my first proper one since erpc.

Any poas-ers today?

TeaRex Fri 02-May-14 08:41:18

Good to hear from you penguin and so pleased for you things are going well smile

I might poas tomorrow if AF hasn't shown up, had done cramp yesterday morning so thought I was out but will see.

Hope everyone's good and anyone poas today fx for you!

sebs hope you get an answer to your email today and your blood test goes okay.

Half day at work for me today smile thank god! And then there day weekend so woohoo (sorry to anyone having to work over the weekend)

TeaRex Fri 02-May-14 08:46:24

Good job it's a half day at work as I've apparently lost the ability to spell... :/

eatscakefornoreasonwhatsoever Fri 02-May-14 08:55:54

Congratulations penguin :-)

I've just found myself wiping windowsills and scribing the sink so I'm fairly sure I'm not pregnant this month. Anyone else do intensive cleaning when they Hey pmt or is that just a weird little quirk that's entirely my own?

GandTnow Fri 02-May-14 09:58:39

Great news penguin.
Hope you get some answers soon Sebs.

Just popped on to sort of have a vent. Feeling so low today and yesterday despite all my efforts to focus on being in tip top health before trying again. I'm not sure if it is the fact that the due date is coming up or if its just normal or what but losing the baby suddenly feels so raw again. I don't want to eat and can't settle to any task for too long.

I really thought I was getting past it all but maybe this is a sign I'm just not ready yet, then I look at DD and think, I really want her to have a brother or sister soon. sad

Sorry for the splurg.

Tranquilitybaby Fri 02-May-14 10:17:41

Morning can I join? I posted in the ectopic thread days ago but no reply so though I'd post here.

I suffered an ectopic pregnancy and loss of my left tube Sunday night. Very raw at the moment, physically I feel better, mentally, v v tearful and bewildered.

Really want to try again in three months which is the required wait time but oh so shit scared about it too.


sebs still here for you xx

bythesea82 Fri 02-May-14 10:37:28

Morning all,
Welcome tranquility so sorry to hear what you have been through, not suprising you're reeling from it all. Very natural to be scared,I hope when the time comes you will have support from healthcare people to try and reassure you. For now, take it easy and look after yourself.
GandT and all those having low moments, chin up, not suprising we all have those days. Just coming out of a few myself, I think you just have to try and accept some days everything seems harder/fresher but plod on, be nice to yourself and you'll get to an easier day soon.

Congrats penguin a nice reminder that positive things do happen!

Not much happening here, relieved to have ground through to the weekend, it's been a long week. I would like to order sunshine and white wine for the next few days!!

HollyBen Fri 02-May-14 10:42:42

Lovely news penguin Really chuffed for you xxx

Welcome and sorry to hear about the ectopic tranquility Some of the lovely and slightly mad ladies here have successfully conceived after losing a tube and we all share the fear of TTC after MC. I am sure you will find lots of support, advice and even a few giggles here.

Let us know how you get on sebs

I am having a low day too gandt lurching from thinking maybe I should be content with DD to aching for her to have a sibling. AF showed up properly todaysad Though on a positive this is the first time since the MC (9monthsago) that I have had blood when wiping. They have been so light I was having to go find it...

Ellisisland Fri 02-May-14 10:49:29

Hi all have not been around for a while as had nothing to report but started ovulating today so fingers crossed this month is a lucky month.
I have had almost constant urine infections since my mc which my doctor said is not linked but I think I may have finally beaten it after my 4 th round of antibiotics !

Penguin - that is wonderful news!

Sebsmummy- I hope you get some answers soon. You were so lovely to me on my mc thread when I was sobbing on the toilet that I am really pulling for you. Lots of positive vibes coming your way thanksthanks

tannyLoo Fri 02-May-14 10:59:39

Sorry, just a quick rant, because only you guys know how it feels... Look away now if you don't like swearing...

Fucking bastard scan photo right there in the middle of my fucking newsfeed. Bollocking fucktards. I'm 42 on Monday, I really didn't think there'd be any more of this left to come. Shitbuckets.

OK, safe to look again.

Anyway, Penguin, you made me well up too! Funny how I can hate preggo women, but feel amazing warmth and empathy for anyone here lucky enough to get upduffed! Well done for the little guineapig x

Sebs I know you'll let us know...

Tranquility, I'm really sorry for the crap you've been through. I really hope you are getting good care. I can totally see why you'd be scared but it is still very possible to conceive. Take these 3 months to relax and recuperate, hopefully after the break you'll be feeling more positive and your body will be raring to go.

I'm off back to the UK today for the weekend! So excited to see my family and friends! And have a few tipples at a friends wedding tomorrow! Hopefully a few days at home will take my mind off the 2ww!!

Tanny - I fucking HATE facebook for that!! Theres a few pregannt friends on there who i've blocked. Fed up of hearing about every fucking twinge, kick, puke etc!! I have 2 very good pregnant friends who have (very kindly) kept everything off fb! I will never be one of those annoying people. Until you've been through mc though, you have no idea of the private struggles people have been through. Big hug to you and the middle finger to them!! smile

Cakebaker35 Fri 02-May-14 13:06:31

tranqulity welcome and so sorry to hear what you've been through, it must still be so raw so be kind to yourself, plan lots of nice things for the next few months and when you decide you're ready to ttc then we'll be here for hand holding, ranting and general madness!

Sorry to all those who are having low days, it's so bloody hard isn't it, you think you're ok one minute then the next something sets you off.

tanny excellent ranting! Can I join you?! Saw a lady this a.m who is upduffed with #2, she knows what's happened to me but still kept harping on about what a nightmare being pregnant is, how nightmarish it will be having 2, urgh I had the overwhelming urge to shout f*ck the f*ck off you stupid cow in her face blush but managed to keep control and just walk off from the conversation. I hope I don't see her again anytime soon.

english have a great trip and enjoy those tipples. I shall be having some vino collapso this evening! X

Tranquilitybaby Fri 02-May-14 13:34:47

Thank you for the lovely welcome everyone, it's much appreciated.

We have a big holiday in July so very much looking forward to getting away from it all. Then, if we're brave enough, start again.

Off to backtrack on this thread and find out what stage everyone is at. X

tannyLoo Fri 02-May-14 15:01:09

Cake, I don't think "fuck the fuck off" is used enough really. I'm going to try and work it into a conversation today!

Cakebaker35 Fri 02-May-14 17:32:19

tanny my user name really ought to be pottymouth blush I especially like your use of shitbuckets, I shall be using that more often grin

Triplespin Fri 02-May-14 17:54:11

Hello all

Just checking in. Any news sebs?

GandTnow Fri 02-May-14 21:13:54

"shitbuckets" and "fuck the fuck off" - both excellent and very descriptive! Love it!

mrsdiddlydoo Fri 02-May-14 22:32:40

Hello! This week I have lived mainly off wine and chocolate. 1st day back at work after the mc and feel brain dead and zonked, but chuffed I didn't cry at anyone. Well not to their face anyway. Was nice being busy and normal, but inside I feel so rubbish. God dam you body. Grrr... she says reaching for more wine

Its so lovely seeing everything being ok Penguin Happy for your lovely news!

Tranquility hope you are taking it nice and easy and have some RL support.

I'm sure its only the thought of starting to TTC again that is keeping me going. That and the sugar rush from ds's easter eggs.

Thank god its a long weekend!

Tranquilitybaby Sat 03-May-14 06:31:49

It's now 6 days after my surgery and I've woken up to period type pains so I guess the bleeding will start soon sad Makes me realise what I've lost even more now.

On the more positive side, we bought a beautiful white rose bush to plant in the garden tomorrow, a week on. sad i can look out and see the beautiful flowers in the summer as a tribute to my little lost rosebud. X

Tranquilitybaby Sat 03-May-14 06:40:52

penguin huge congratulations to you, such lovely news. Enjoy your pregnancy. Xx

seb I hope you managed to get your bloods through as urgent.


Tranquilitybaby Sat 03-May-14 06:44:08

mrsdiddlydoo glad you got through your first day back, how long were you off? I'm dreading starting work again, going to take another week off and see how I feel.

I feel like I don't want to see people at the minute, is that normal. I feel so awkward and afraid of how I'll react, especially if said people come out with awkward unwanted comments like they do when they don't know what to say.

Justonemoretime Sat 03-May-14 06:50:04

Tanny, its Kerri.Geraghty@uhcw.nhs.uk . She will get back to you but bear in mind their clinics are in Mondays and Fridays so most corresponding happens mid week, in my experience. I get the impression there is a lot of interest at the moment so she's probably got a bit of a queue.
Tranquility, what you've been through is rubbish. The rose bush sounds nice. Don't lose hope, you only need one tube to conceive, when you're ready.
As for work, I love my job (secondary RE teacher) but it can be long hours and stressful, which I do wonder about in terms of TTC. Still, the hols are nice wink
I'm 10 dpo and taking my progesterone like a good girl. I have decided to do a 2 mile swim on 21st June if I'm not pg by then. I like swimming and it really helps me to relax.
Happy long weekend, everyone! grin

Justonemoretime Sat 03-May-14 06:50:59

Huge congrats to Penguin, too. grin

tannyLoo Sat 03-May-14 07:59:02

Ha ha! Thanks Just! The swim sounds good...

Tranquility sorry you're feeling so much pain. I tend to hide away after a mc, I think it's natural. Take care of yourself.

TeaRex Sat 03-May-14 08:39:44

Well clearblue says 2-3 weeks, very mixed emotions, completely overjoyed followed but utter panic. I guess that's natural, lost my baby in January at 9 weeks and found out at the 12 week scan so I hope if I make past those points I'll be able to relax.
Thank you all for your support over the last 4/5 months xxxx

Cakebaker35 Sat 03-May-14 08:49:20

Fabulous news tea, have a wonderful uneventful pregnancy flowers x

GandTnow Sat 03-May-14 09:06:36

Great news tearex all the best for you thanks!

Tranquility I think that it is totally normal respose to not want to see people, I hid away for ages and when I did finally come out of hiding bumped into the most insensitive person who blundered her way through discussing my mc as if it were her business!

Just be kind to yourself and take as much time as you need.

sebsmummy1 Sat 03-May-14 09:36:00

Massive congratulations Tearex and Penguin. Made up for you girls grin

I have nothing to report. I think the hormone is going down as I did my last cheap hpt last night and it looked lighter. My cm has also gone from creamy to brown tinged ewcm so my gut instinct is that my body has finally got the message that it's not pregnant. I have no idea if my period will come on time in 10 days or whether I'll get a bleed once my hormone drops enough.

Big hugs from Tranquility and all the other girls on here who's bodies are being fucking arseholes xxxx

sebsmummy1 Sat 03-May-14 09:37:07

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Metalhead Sat 03-May-14 09:56:12

Congratulations Tea, wonderful news! Wishing you all the best.

sebs really hope your body sorts itself out soon.

Welcome to all the newbies. Tranquility I think there is no 'normal' way to react after a mc, everyone's different. I didn't want to tell anyone about my mc at the beginning but have recently decided that I will if anyone asks in the future, so you might find that your feelings change over time. Take care of yourself and just do what's right for you now.

Nothing to report here. CD14 but thankfully still no signs of ov (which is what I thought). I finish the antibiotics tomorrow so we should be good to go again when I ov some time next week.

Off for a run now to get my body ready for that beach holiday that's coming up in four weeks! smile

tannyLoo Sat 03-May-14 10:17:04

Gazooks Tea! Great news!

Justonemoretime Sat 03-May-14 10:23:02

Great news, Tea!

Penguin13 Sat 03-May-14 10:49:51

Wooohoooo Tea! Congratulations! Hope you have the most boring textbook pregnancy ever.

Sorry you've been having such a particularly rubbish time of it Sebs hope your body gets with the programme soon. Hugs.

Carly6971 Sat 03-May-14 10:51:25

Congrats tea smile x

Tranquilitybaby Sat 03-May-14 10:57:51

Wonderful news Tea gives us all hope.

At least hopefully things re happening naturally sebs massive hugs to you x

Ellisisland Sat 03-May-14 11:46:32

Tea - that's wonderful news thanks

Littlelady33 Sat 03-May-14 12:19:22

Great news tea!

Viperama Sat 03-May-14 13:12:48

Tearex and Penguin so happy for you both. Here's to a happy health pregnancy ahead.

Sebs how are you doing today? Thinking of you and saying a little prayer x

LittleMissSunshine33 Sat 03-May-14 13:20:07

Congrats Tearex! thanks

I have my OH and SIL party tonight I'm 7DPO so do I drink or not??? I hate limbo land!

Littlelady33 Sat 03-May-14 13:27:30

LittleMiss that's a damn good question. Tww and a bank holiday weekend do not a good combination make. Although I'm probably only approx 3dpo. Never too sure whether should drink or not really. Usually don't, sometimes have the odd one - not sure what others do?

sebsmummy1 Sat 03-May-14 13:35:14

LittleMiss I think you can have a drink!! Lots of people don't know they are pregnant until they are 8 weeks or more and in that time they have got drunk multiple times and eaten everything they shouldn't and the baby is absolutely fine. So go, have a great time!!

Bless you Viper, I am ok xxxx

Littlelady33 Sat 03-May-14 13:45:16

Sebs I'm sure that's right. I ate a pretty rare steak yesterday, thought about it for a moment then realised that it couldn't at this stage surely do any harm. Same I'm sure goes for a drink or two

Metalhead Sat 03-May-14 15:49:52

I got really hammered two days before if to my BFP with DD as I thought my period had arrived (turned out to be implantation), and she's fine. Not that I'd recommend it, it didn't exactly help with my anxiety levels in early pregnancy! But yes, I do drink in moderation during at least the first half of the 2ww. A few drinks on one or two occasions isn't going to hurt, I'm sure.

Well I might have been a bit hasty when I said this morning there are no signs of ov yet. Suddenly I've got lots of slippery cm and a much darker opk. Would it be really bad of me to skip the last dose of antibiotics tomorrow do you think? They don't seem to be working anyway, and I really don't want to have to miss a month of ttc...

Metalhead Sat 03-May-14 15:50:44

before I got my BFP (bloody auto correct!)

sebsmummy1 Sat 03-May-14 16:10:12

Starting to wipe pink now so I think I'll be bleeding soon. No pain, maybe very very light cramping so hopefully after the bleed the hpts will be negative again and I can start getting my progesterone tested.

For some reason getting pregnant twice in four months has left me somewhat heartened. Even though I've lost both!

Littlelady33 Sat 03-May-14 16:25:21

Sebs I'm glad to hear things are happening naturally although it's been such an awful few days for you and so incredibly confusing. You should feel heartened by that and there's still every chance the next one will be an uneventful pregnancy. Metal that's tricky with antibiotics as they do say that stopping early is a bad idea / was the advice on holding off on TTC pretty strong or more one of those things advised but could probably be overlooked...?

LittleMissSunshine33 Sat 03-May-14 16:25:23

Thanks ladies I think I will have a few (especially as they are free!) but not go crazy and have planned to go to a wedding fair tomorrow and insensible not to have a hang over!

Send I'm glad to hear you are feeling more positive!!! Where do you think you are in your cycle now? Will you still go and see a specialist? grin

LittleMissSunshine33 Sat 03-May-14 16:36:12

*is sensible not insensible lol

LittleMissSunshine33 Sat 03-May-14 16:36:57

And I meant sebs not send silly phone!!

Tranquilitybaby Sat 03-May-14 17:20:13

I hope the next few days are ok for you Seb

Still no bleeding here, days days post op although I did have what looked like a period before testing so maybe I won't bleed much. Really don't want to have to contact the hospital again.

As a side note - did any of you start taking baby aspirin before starting TTC again after your losses? If so when did you start? X

Tranquilitybaby Sat 03-May-14 17:20:26

*6 days

sebsmummy1 Sat 03-May-14 17:22:08

Thank you sweetheart xx

I'm not sure what the cunning plan is really. I'm expecting my GP to be less than interested so I'm thinking in going to ask for a referral to my local Spire hospital where I will pay for day 21 testing. I know the cycle I've just conceived on I had implantation spotting mixed with lots of EWCM on 10/11 dpo then bled out a day late on cd13. I think it couldn't implant quick enough to trigger the progesterone before my period kicked in. If I could start supplementing with progesterone in my luteul phase I suspect these eggs might stand a chance.

sebsmummy1 Sat 03-May-14 17:24:08

Tranquility massive hugs. I have read some mixed reviews about taking baby aspirin. It seems the new thinking is not to do it but other consultants recommend it! So I guess it depends who you talk to.

Justonemoretime Sat 03-May-14 17:33:55

Tranquility, hope you're bearing up? Many docs say baby aspirin is fine but st Marys and Coventry both say that if you don't have a diagnosed reason for taking it, it can actually do more harm than good. I'm inclined to go with the people still doing the research, rather than the old textbook 'can't hurt' advice. I took it before mmc 3 which was turners so it didn't directly cause it, but I have to wonder whether it enabled me to implant an unsuitable embryo. The most recent research seems to indicate aspirin can interfere with implantation. That said, I'm not a doctor, so follow their advice not mine if they tell you different.

Justonemoretime Sat 03-May-14 17:36:14

Sebs, hope what comes over the weekend is not too awful. Glad you're feeling positive at least. x

sebsmummy1 Sat 03-May-14 17:49:16

Just, I can't believe there is much in there really as I already had the bleed 2 weeks ago. I never went high enough for there to be a sac so I suspect it will be theining bleeding out. So weird but I suspect quite common.

sebsmummy1 Sat 03-May-14 17:49:42

* the lining

Tranquilitybaby Sat 03-May-14 18:24:09

Thanks girls re the aspirin, think I'm just clutching at straws really when I should be getting better mentally at the moment. I just feel I need something to research and positive to focus on. sad


Metalhead Sat 03-May-14 18:31:10

Littlelady it's definitely a case of don't take these if you might be pregnant. I think I'll wait and see if I get a +opk tomorrow, if I do I might skip the last dose... (I'm usually very conscientious about taking the whole course, but seeing as it would be the last one I just feel it would be another month of ttc wasted!)

Littlelady33 Sun 04-May-14 00:54:30

Understood Metal. In your case I would definitely be tempted to skip it if I had a positive I guess - let us know how you get on.
Could I ask a quick question from you wise ladies re cm? I had today a small ball of very sticky cm - following a few days of more watery cm and ov pain. I would be right in thinking that this sticky stuff is post ov, non fertile?

Carly6971 Sun 04-May-14 09:35:09

Ladies totally not ttc related but I have my first driving lesson (in years) in an hour and I am literally shitting myself argh! And AF showed this morning sad

Metalhead Sun 04-May-14 11:33:20

Sorry AF got you Carly. I hope your driving lesson went well.

It does sound like you might be post-ov now Little, though for me cm is never that realiable an indicator. But if you've been having pains as well then it's probably a fair assumption.

My opk was still negative today so I finished my antibiotics. Dtd last night anyway though, and will try and keep it up eod if we can next week as I should ov around Friday. Typically I've just come with a cold again...my immune system is practically non-existent!

Ellisisland Sun 04-May-14 11:41:50

Sorry AF turned up Carly sad

OPK was positive yesterday and the day before but only managed to DTD on Friday as DS was up last night I'll so sat up with him. Now just to wait and see if AF turns up on 17th

Hope everyone is having a good weekend

officelady Sun 04-May-14 12:13:13

Carly I hope your driving lesson went well - I am soooo glad my parents forced encouraged me to learn to drive years ago, it is so handy to be able to jump in the car and go wherever I want whenever I want! I reckon it's much harder to learn as an adult. I had no fear when I was young, unlike nowadays when pretty much everything freaks me out!
sebs hope you are okay today. I think you are right to feel heartened about being able to start a pregnancy, even though they weren't successful. It's a sign that something at least is working. Hopefully you can get some answers to help sustain the next one.
I had a really vivid dream that I POA OPK stick and got a really positive result and I was really cross because dh was away for the weekend. Woke up not really sure if it was real or not - I had to get my last test out of the bin to check it! Of course it was BFN. I am feeling marginally more positive today because I've finally stopped bleeding after the world's longest and lightest period. Went on for a week but never more than a tiny trickle. No idea what that was about! I am really hoping that my cycle will return to something approaching normality this month. In the meantime I am on a major health kick, eating really well and doing plenty of exercise. If nothing else, at least I will be in good shape ready for the summer smile

sebsmummy1 Sun 04-May-14 14:13:02

Well done for getting out there and learning to drive Carly. I agree with Office, my mum just got me driving when I was 17 and gave me her car and I didn't realise just how lucky I was. Sorry AF arrived sad

Well I have a plan of action now so trying to be positive. I have emailed the clinic and asked for a full list of tests they need to be completed before referral (they have mentioned a few on the website) and I will wait until i'm into a fresh cycle and testing neg then go back to the GP and ask for the tests as part of the referral process (which my first GP said he was happy to do). Can't see why he would refuse this as I would be paying for the specialist myself.

I didn't really understand the point if Clomid before if you were ovulating, but now I understand that taking it can create a stronger corpus luteum to support any subsequent pregnancy, so it will be interesting to see what he thinks. I've purposely not moved towards an IVF clinic as I can't help but wonder if they would shunt you towards that option as they are a business after all.

This brown discharge is exactly like what I got with my first mc. I can see now that it's basically old blood mixed with creamy cm. This goes on for days and days until finally I bleed properly. If my body is as clockwork as I suspect she is I bet I will bleed exactly on time according to my cycle length.

Carly6971 Sun 04-May-14 16:45:40

Sebs glad you have a plan and hoping you get some answers smile you have been through the mill lately.

My lesson went well smile I loved it! Wish I had gone back sooner, but hey ho!

I am going to take clomid from cd 3 this cycle and the next 2 smile

HollyBen Sun 04-May-14 19:22:01

office I have been having ridiculously light af since the mc 8 months ago. Most of the time I could get away with a liner and even then there is hardly even anything. I think you were asking about whether the go would do any tests? I'd say you should go ask. I am 40 in a couple of months and mine was happy to do tests required for fertility clinic referral. I need to go back to get the referral started now

Can I tentatively dip my toe in?

Stats are: 36 yo, ttc#1since Mar 14. MC May 14 @ 5+1.

All a bit of a shock to me at the minute so I'll finish reading the rest of the thread then hopefully get stuck in.

Hi patience, sorry you're joining our little gang. But I hope you find comfort in the words of these lovely ladies. Hopefully you won't be here with us too long. Look after yourself smile

Carly6971 Mon 05-May-14 09:29:28

Welcome patience, so sorry you have had to find us. Hoping your stay is short. X

sebsmummy1 Mon 05-May-14 10:29:13

Welcome patience. Hand holding xxx

Tranquilitybaby Mon 05-May-14 10:51:46

Hi patience so sorry to hear of your mc. Feel free to share anything you want to when you feel ready. I've just joined too and have had lots of support. X

50degreesintheshade Mon 05-May-14 11:24:36

Welcome patience, sorry to hear about your mc.

I have decided I am going to get serious this month. I will not let a complete molar pregnancy beat me. I am actually terrified about my hcg level rising as it may mean we are pregnant or it could just be abnormal cells growing but I cant keep thinking like that.

I have just purchased a clear blue opk which will give me a smiley face when we should dtd (50 pounds for 7 sticks, I felt sick buying it!) and I even brought some prenatal vitamins (every little helps?!?)
sebs I hope you are doing ok

Carly6971 Mon 05-May-14 11:38:15

£50 for 7??? Get on amazon 50 x

50degreesintheshade Mon 05-May-14 11:48:07

I wish I could carly I live in Dubai and for some reason they appear to be on the banned import list (but you can buy them for double the price!)

GailLondon Mon 05-May-14 12:00:32

Hey everyone,

Nothing much to report here, CD11 and hubby has been on a sex ban for the last week (his idea!) so he'll be raring to go when the time is right! I don't seem to ovulate till at least day 19-20, and I think we've been starting our dtd too early in the month so he's exhausted by day 20!
Fingers crossed this month we'll get it right!

Tranquilitybaby Mon 05-May-14 12:51:38

Does anyone take supplements at all and what prenaral a do you take? My progesterone was low with my ectopic, not sure if that's just a sign of ectopic because it hasn't moved along the tube or it was low which caused it to be ectopic. So many questions. X

silverine Mon 05-May-14 14:29:28

Hi all
I seem to lose track of where everyone is, only have time to skim through sometimes...
welcome patience
*50degrees" shame about the cost of opks... See how you get on with them, it might be that they give you a good indication the first month and they you can go by that previous experience and temperatures maybe, so won't need any more?
So I'm back in the game too after a month's rest. CD1 today, so restarting my folic acid, Ca+Mg, antioxidants, vit D, etc, etc. and will book in for acupuncture again. Good luck everyone!
Btw, my counselling appointment didn't go ahead last week after all, they had got the wrong time... Ah well, maybe it was for the better hmm

Triplespin Mon 05-May-14 15:54:27

Hello everyone. Sorry I have lost track a bit.

sebs glad that things are sorting out themselves and that you have a plan. I will also be starting clomid cycle after 2-3 natural bleeds post mc. It's worth a try really.

gail that's a good plan. It's nothing like peaking too early. Hopefully this will be the cycle for you.

tranquility we are all on various concoctions! You can decide what works for you. I am on vitamin d, calcium, pregnacare, omega 3, zita west anti oxidants. I was also on coq-10 for 7 weeks, but haven't replenished my supply.

Ladies I have great news. I am pretty sure AF has arrived today ie nearly 8 weeks post mc!! Yay. So I'll be poa-opks in a couple of weeks if my cycle returns to normal.

GailLondon Mon 05-May-14 18:27:39

triple that's great news! Must feel so good to get out of limbo and feel like your body is re-setting itself

LittleMissSunshine33 Mon 05-May-14 20:08:48

Welcome patience!

Hope everyone has had a good bank holiday! Well my few drinks turned into a lot of drinks and now feel very bad but had a very good night. Am having AF pains so am preparing myself sad

Has anyone tried vitex??

EatsCakeForNoReasonWhatsoever Mon 05-May-14 21:04:36

I have a vomiting toddler. Bleurk.

On the plus side only 9 days until my period and then we're ttc properly


Littlelady33 Mon 05-May-14 21:55:57

Honestly little miss don't worry- so many women don't find out until much later and have had a few drinks with baby turning out just fine. Vitex is agnus castus right? I did and actually on the cycle I got my BFP - but have been a little wary to use again as I though best let my cycle do its own natural thing for a while. What would you be taking it for - encouraging earlier ov?

LittleMissSunshine33 Mon 05-May-14 22:08:29

Thanks littlelady I've been reading two week wait website and a couple of women said they had taken it when they had conceived so didn't know if it was worth a try but don't know much about it??

Eatcake it's strange wanting your AF to appear isn't it now I'm back to hoping it doesn't show!

Justonemoretime Mon 05-May-14 22:13:31

Question... should I be worried...? One thick dark hair on my back. Naturally I am assuming menopause or werewolf! Any ideas? Its a one off... smile

Sal1977 Mon 05-May-14 22:31:50

Ha! I get one in between my boobs. Attractive...especially as I only notice it when it's an inch long! Xx

Justonemoretime Mon 05-May-14 22:32:42

lol, Sal, thanks grin

Justonemoretime Tue 06-May-14 07:16:37

Feeling sad today. Beginning to think that its never going to happen.

Morning ladies! Hope you all had a good weekend.
Sal & Just - I also get a random dark one between my boobs! Mortified!!

AF will be arriving tomorrow, started spotting and temp has fallen. Just hope my body continues to play ball and I don't fall back into those weird anovulatory cycles again.
Fucked off.

sebsmummy1 Tue 06-May-14 08:16:34

Hugs English sad

Carly6971 Tue 06-May-14 08:38:27

just down days are the worst and they get you from no where hugs I know this won't make it any better today! but remember we all have these horrid days when it all seems totally unfair! well it actually is unfair isn't it? We went holiday shopping this weekend but although I had been looking forward to it for weeks I just kept looking longingly in every baby shop window thinking I shouldn't have even been going on this holiday and would be spending ALL my wages in baby shops sad life's cruel sometimes x

sebsmummy1 Tue 06-May-14 08:49:11

I'm sitting here waiting for the phone to ring to give me some pointless blood results. I pray they didn't double as I can't bare to hear the doc being all optimistic and hopeful only for me to tell him the news is actually crap.

Tranquilitybaby Tue 06-May-14 08:55:44

See Carly I know that feeling too. I looked longingly down the baby isle in Tesco 11 days ago thinking once I had my scan I could hopefully buy a few bits, how wrong I was eh. Also going to the states this summer so was hoping to go mad at the outlets but again, can't even TTC again until August now. sad that sucks.

Hey Seb it's not over yet you know. Keep positive of you can you just never know. Xxx

Hi again everyone. Thanks for the welcome smile

Thought I would tell my story briefly, then join in.

I am 36 yo and remember starting to really want a baby when I was about 27. However, due yo a series of lovelife disasters (commitmentphobe followed by cheating twunt ex's) I haven't been in a position to ttc til this year (I met my lovely DP a couple of weeks before my 35th birthday - and day after making an appointment at London Women's Clinic to discuss AI via donor).

Anyway, I conceived last month in cycle #2. Total shock but we were delighted. Then at 5+1 I miscarried. So very early days but we are gutted sad I feel like a bit of a fraud. Like I imagined my BFPs. And I know it would have been worse if it was further along.

I felt so happy when I got the BFP - after years of longing to start a family. I also felt relieved that it happened quickly because in an ideal world we will have more than one DC so I'd had anxieties around it taking ages to get pregnant, if at all. Now we are back to square 1. We were aware of the miscarriage stats though, but still, it knocks you for six.

I feel like everyone I know has started, if not completed their family, except me. Yesterday, DP and I went to the coast for a walk and it was teaming with pushchairs and pregnant ladies - which I am good at dealing with my feelings on - but yesterday it stung.

I think I am going to have to delete FB and keep a low profile while I try and build up the strength to start again.

Sorry, that was longer than expected, but good to get off my chest.

Hope you're all doing okay and enjoyed your bank holiday weekend (if you're in UK) as much as possible x

Cakebaker35 Tue 06-May-14 10:54:01

Just popping in to offer <hugs> to all those who need them. It's utterly shite some days but try to hold onto the thought that you will have a better day soon. It's like being on a bloody rollercoaster, just clinging on for dear life some days and enjoying the crazy ride on others.

Welcome to patience, may your stay here be short and fruitful smile

sebs thinking of you today x

justone that made be laugh out loud werewolf lady grin I have a white hair that grows out of my neck! texture feels quite dog-like blush there needs to be an icon for sick too.

Well it's cd22 here and I have a cunning plan for when AF is due - we are off on holiday with friends, will be miles from anywhere and so I'll have neither the means or opportunity to poas until I get home. I'm certain this won't be the month as we are not officially trying just not preventing this cycle, but I know if I was home I'd be all ridiculous and tempted to poas when AF wasn't even late. Can't wait to get away for a nice break and plenty of cake and wine

Ellisisland Tue 06-May-14 11:02:17

Hi all and welcome Patience.

Well am in the 2 week wait now. AF due on 17th May so just waiting impatiently! We DTD the day before ovulation and on the first day of ovulation but didn't manage to do it any more so not that hopeful but we'll see.

Sorry to see so many of us are feeling down. It's so hard and just hits you out of nowhere sad

Metalhead Tue 06-May-14 11:10:09

Morning all, I hope everyone had a nice bank holiday weekend. Sorry some of you are feeling down today, we all have those days but hopefully tomorrow will be better! In the meantime, treat yourselves to some cake or wine (or both).

sebs any news on your results?

Welcome patience and sorry for you loss.

I got my smiley face on the CB just now and a +ive on the IC, which is a bit earlier than I expected (CD17) but actually works out really well. We had some TITH on CD14 & 16, and will go again tonight and possibly tomorrow. Hopefully we'll catch the bastard egg this month! AF should be due around 21/22 May.

I've tried to upload a pic of the tests to my profile page for anyone who's unsure of what a +ve looks like on the IC opks, but I'm not sure it's worked... anyone know how to add pics to the thread?

sebsmummy1 Tue 06-May-14 11:31:51

No news, GP hasn't bothered phoning me this morning. You've got to laugh really.

50degreesintheshade Tue 06-May-14 11:44:48

Morning everyone, hope you all enjoyed the bank holiday, that's something I miss.
sebs sorry to hear that the Dr has not called yet. That use to infuriate me, one time I remember screaming down the phone at a poor nurse demanding my results ( I look back at some of my behaviour and it was appalling but apparently having out of control HCG levels can turn you in to a mad demented hormonal woman)

In my hunt for opk I have found some today which don't have smiley faces but a line will appear so I picked these up as they were a bargain at only 12 pounds for 5! (I can see my obsession with pregnancy tests will be replaced with opks)

For everyone having a down day I hope tomorrow is better at one stage I really couldn't see any light at the end of the tunnel but things do get better......slowly and I find wine and vodka helps greatly :-)

Ellisisland Tue 06-May-14 11:55:52

Sebsmummy - how annoying. I think sometimes doctors etc forget there is a person with emotions waiting for results and it's not just numbers on a paper. Hope they get back to you son

sebsmummy1 Tue 06-May-14 12:42:05

I'm not going to chase it as it doesn't matter now. Hopefully it will sit in my files and I'll find out the result at some point.

Cakebaker35 Tue 06-May-14 13:37:48

sebs time to find a new gp x

Metalhead Tue 06-May-14 14:06:56

Agree with Cakebaker, if there are any other GPs you can register with - do it!

sebsmummy1 Tue 06-May-14 17:26:22

I decided to ring them as I've just done an opk and the line is really dark. The results aren't back yet, I would assume due to the bank holiday.

I know nothing good is going on as I decided to do a clearblue conception indicator at the weekend, just for my own clarity that things were waning and it was only reading 1-2 weeks still. It's just so weird that the opk I have just done has gone darker than any of the others.

I swear my body is the strangest vessel when it comes to hanging onto pregnancy hormone. Perhaps I am of another world ..... woooooooo.

Cakebaker35 Tue 06-May-14 20:46:42

sebs so sorry, it's just such a head f*ck isn't it? Sorry, sweary mary here after one glass of wine I really think all the tests are so different, it's so confusing. I remember when I had my mmc I did a cheapy test which was dark and a clear blue like you where the weeks were not as far along as they should've been but my gp said they are really not very accurate in terms of the dating side of things. I have no advice up just wanted to say I'm thinking of you lots. And chuckling a bit that you might be a bit wooooooo grin xx

sebsmummy1 Tue 06-May-14 21:03:41

Ha ha, I just want to get back TTC again and I'm frustrated. I thought the 2ww was bad enough, but oh no, the being slightly pregnant for ever and ever is much much worse. Fucking fucking stupid crappy body #sweary Mary here too

Justonemoretime Wed 07-May-14 06:36:18

So its day 28 and a bfn for me, so time to stop the progesterone and await the witch sad . Was feeling very down yesterday and not great today but at least I can enjoy the next couple of weeks and have guilt free wine smile . Got 2 months more on the progesterone regime before a rethink. It feels like its never going to happen. angry
Waves to everyone. Hope today is a good day for you all.

Justonemoretime Wed 07-May-14 06:37:18

So its day 28 and a bfn for me, so time to stop the progesterone and await the witch sad . Was feeling very down yesterday and not great today but at least I can enjoy the next couple of weeks and have guilt free wine smile . Got 2 months more on the progesterone regime before a rethink. It feels like its never going to happen. angry
Waves to everyone. Hope today is a good day for you all.

Justonemoretime Wed 07-May-14 06:37:26

So its day 28 and a bfn for me, so time to stop the progesterone and await the witch sad . Was feeling very down yesterday and not great today but at least I can enjoy the next couple of weeks and have guilt free wine smile . Got 2 months more on the progesterone regime before a rethink. It feels like its never going to happen. angry
Waves to everyone. Hope today is a good day for you all.

LittleMissSunshine33 Wed 07-May-14 06:37:41

Hope you get the results today sebs!! FingersX

Has anyone looked at a pregnancy test for so long a line appears which isn't really there? It's my OH birthday so I did a test (no fish slaps please) but the more I pick it up and really stare at it a mark where the line should be appears I look again and it's gone so looks like BFN or dodgey test or I've finally lost the plot!!

Justonemoretime Wed 07-May-14 06:38:11

no idea why the multi-post! blush

LittleMissSunshine33 Wed 07-May-14 06:38:41

Hope you get the results today sebs!! FingersX

Has anyone looked at a pregnancy test for so long a line appears which isn't really there? It's my OH birthday so I did a test (no fish slaps please) but the more I pick it up and really stare at it a mark where the line should be appears I look again and it's gone so looks like BFN or dodgey test or I've finally lost the plot!!

LittleMissSunshine33 Wed 07-May-14 06:59:34

Hope you get the results today sebs!! FingersX

Has anyone looked at a pregnancy test for so long a line appears which isn't really there? It's my OH birthday so I did a test (no fish slaps please) but the more I pick it up and really stare at it a mark where the line should be appears I look again and it's gone so looks like BFN or dodgey test or I've finally lost the plot!!

LittleMissSunshine33 Wed 07-May-14 07:00:34

Hope you get the results today sebs!! FingersX

Has anyone looked at a pregnancy test for so long a line appears which isn't really there? It's my OH birthday so I did a test (no fish slaps please) but the more I pick it up and really stare at it a mark where the line should be appears I look again and it's gone so looks like BFN or dodgey test or I've finally lost the plot!!

LittleMissSunshine33 Wed 07-May-14 07:02:27

Sorry think computer is having a morning like mine! shock

Justonemoretime Wed 07-May-14 07:02:32

Ok, so it looks like mn is having a funny turn today...!

LittleMissSunshine33 Wed 07-May-14 07:03:28

Sorry think computer is having a morning like mine! shock

Cakebaker35 Wed 07-May-14 07:27:51

Mn has gone crazy! Multi posts all over the place.

just sorry about the bfn, enjoy your guilt free wine tho x

little don't look at tests once they've been sitting around for a bit evaporation lines mess with your mind! And a big bucket of haddock for you poas-ing not on a Friday smile

Tranquilitybaby Wed 07-May-14 09:51:16

sebs hope you get those results back today x

Ive started bleeding now so my body is attempting getting getting back to normal I guess. Bit upsetting though and especially the fact we can't try again for three months. sad


anyhumanheart Wed 07-May-14 10:00:50

Hi everyone, hopefully mn has settled down a bit now

tranquility it is so hard. Thinking of you.

sebs really hope you get some answers today, and hope you're feeling better just.

fx for you when you decide to test again littlemiss d'you think you will make it til Friday? smile

sebsmummy1 Wed 07-May-14 10:03:10

Oh Tranquility my heart goes out to you sad. Bleeding is indeed your body's way of trying to regulate your hormones again.

I suspect I will start bleeding in one weeks time according to my normal cycle. I'm having brown/black discharge staining a liner each day, but nothing close to a period bleed starting.

I guess we both just have to keep on going and hope at some point we get our sticky BFP.

sebsmummy1 Wed 07-May-14 10:14:32

In trying to get ready to meet a friend for lunch but I have no enthusiasm for it. He knows about my first mc but I can't really talk about what's happening to me now and he is very much a 'good news person only' and anything important is best left not mentioned.

So a couple of hours of light frothy small talk on the cards when all I want to do is cry.

sebsmummy1 Wed 07-May-14 10:38:27

Ok, just got the last results and they were 116.

Ellisisland Wed 07-May-14 10:58:45

Hi Sebsmummy - sorry about your lunch. It's horrible trying to be happy when you have so much other stuff going on. I don't know much about blood results is that good or bad news ? thanks

Tranquilitybaby Wed 07-May-14 11:05:41

Oh Seb that's a funny number. What are you going to do now? Could you try calling the EPU and see what they advise?

We will get there one day I'm sure of it xx thanks

Tranquilitybaby Wed 07-May-14 11:06:29

You haven't got any cramps or backache or anything? X

50degreesintheshade Wed 07-May-14 11:08:15

Good morning from Dubai.

tranquillity sorry you are going through this, it really is the pits when you can't try again. People use to tell me that 6 months will pass so quickly and in hindsight I guess it did but it certainly didn't feel like it at the time.

Sebs glad that you have finally got your results. I hope your HCG level continues to drop. It is just really crappy when your body still thinks it is pregnant. I remember still suffering from morning sickness after I had my d and c, sometimes our bodies can be sooo cruel to us.

Sun is shining, im not pregnant so going to make some afternoon cocktails and chill in the pool :-)

sebsmummy1 Wed 07-May-14 11:27:51

Tranq - I'm going to do nothing. I'm sure if it was ectopic I would have had symptoms by now and I feel fine. I suspect there was left over tissue that was giving out hcg and I just need to bleed it out.

bythesea82 Wed 07-May-14 15:08:33

Afternoon all, thanks or wine to those that need it.

Not much to report here, cd14 and totally shattered for some reason. Nothing else to add as not taking temp/peeing on sticks, just rolling with it for now.....

Really struggling to shift the weight I have gained with the last 2 mcs, put nearly a stone on and faithfully running and doing weight watchers but it's not shifting, starting to get me down sad. Something different to moan about during the 2ww hmm

Metalhead Wed 07-May-14 15:28:32

Sorry you're feeling a bit blue today tranquillity, it really sucks that you'll have to wait for 3 months to ttc again. But maybe it will be good to have a bit of a break, I know I actually quite 'enjoyed' my month off between the mmc and first proper AF.

sebs I hope your lunch with your friend was ok and you managed to forget about all the ttc crap for a while. Sorry your hcg levels were still quite high, hopefully you'll get your next AF soon and then things will go back to normal.

50degrees I'm jealous of the cocktails and pool! envy

As for me, I got an even darker line on the IC opk this morning, so my guess is I'm going to ov tonight, which means I should really try and persuade DH to have another quickie tonight. I'm really not in the mood though, this is the third night in a row... I'm getting too old for all this TITH!

Viperama Wed 07-May-14 15:29:21

Hi Ladies, does any one know how to create a new thread? Looks like we need one shortly and I'm in my phone abroad so canne do it. Xx

Viperama Wed 07-May-14 15:31:34

Okay cancel that it's gone back to normal, the thread looked like it was about to close as the pages were gone, it's now back. Weird.
AF got me this morning, bums

Ellisisland Wed 07-May-14 15:47:41

Viper - sorry AF arrived thankswine

Hey Ladies,
Sending those who need a hug a big fat squishy one.

Bythesea - i've also put on some weight - moving back to the UK next week so once i'm settled its operation Summer Bod! At least it might take my mind off this shitty ttc business!!

Started spotting brown yesterday - not much on a pad today, but very def red blood there when I have a poke around. AF definitely imminent. Just hope this next cycle is a normal ovulatory one! Got a drs appointment booked for when I get back, so feeling a little more positive.

Tranquilitybaby Wed 07-May-14 19:34:03

sebs hope it starts soon so that you can move in bit it sucks waiting doesn't it.

Sorry to hear AF is here viper

Thanks 50 xx

Thanks Metal think it was 3 months or 2 cycles whichever is sooner but we go on holiday at the end of Juky so will hold off until then x

Triplespin Wed 07-May-14 19:48:21

Hi everyone really depressed. Two pregnancy announcements today sigh. Why does everyone else just get pg at the drop of a hat? Sorry about the me me post. But just when I was feeling more positive and bham I get hit by two announcements.

Hope26 Wed 07-May-14 19:50:17

Hi all

I mc at 14 or 15 weeks last week. I will wait at least two months before trying again. Just feel really incomplete.. Want a baby soon. It's hard waiting to try again but I have to move on. Any advice much appreciated. I'm worried I might not conceive quickly and if I do the same thing might happen again.. I feel so empty.

FlorenceandZebedee Wed 07-May-14 19:56:56

triple there's nothing like a preg announcement to ruin a perfectly good day, I can totally sympathise. In my job it's made even worse by announcements of number 4 and number 6 in families where they 'just don't know where they'll put them or how they'll afford them!'

Advice needed please: I'm thinking of having a go with the opk's now we're back in the ttc cycles. If money was no object which brand do you consider to be the best? Also when is the best time to test and do people do all the: no weeing 2 hours before, test at inconvenient 2pm in the afternoon etc

Thanks all

Cakebaker35 Wed 07-May-14 19:59:02

Just popping in ladies, this thread moves so fast. flowers to all who are feeling low today, what a bloody rollercoaster this is, very un-mn hugs from me x

sebs here's hoping things get moving soon, the waiting is just so crap isn't it.

viper sorry the witch turned up x

triple hand holding for you, no need to apologise about me me me stuff, that's what we're here for. I seem to be okay around newborns and pregnant women but it's the pregnancy announcements that are a killer for me to handle confused

hope so sorry for your loss but welcome, you will get lots of support from the fabulous ladies on this thread and some laughs along the way. Be kind to yourself, you've been through an awful experience so if I were you I'd relax and take some time off ttc, you got pregnant before so you will again, just give yourself some time and start again when you and your oh feel up to it. In the meantime enjoy some wine and pull up a chair on this thread x

Cakebaker35 Wed 07-May-14 20:01:09

florence I'm no opk expert but having used an internet cheapie and a superdrug own brand on the same day with same sample the cheapie showed almost nothing and the superdrug one gave a strong positive. Bizarre. But there are plenty of people on here with much more experience so I'll butt out smile

Hope26 Wed 07-May-14 20:12:29

Tha m you cakebaker You are right I shouldn't stress and just go with the flow.

Florence I used the clearblue ovulation test sticks with dual hormone indocator. I get them from amazon and they are the only kits that give you your four most fertile days not 2. I conceived in four months due to those and pregnacare conception tablets helped as well. They are pricey but definitely worth buying. Easy to use. You have to test the stick with your first morning pee. also, if you get a circle it means low fertility, if you get flashing smiley that means high fertility so dtd and once you get a solid smiley that means you are ovulating and that solid smiley will stay for two days so its best to dtd then and the days leading upto ovulation. Honestly they save so much time and effort trying on random days.

FlorenceandZebedee Wed 07-May-14 20:21:37

Thank you, just looked and they're on offer on amazon so I'll treat myself and give them a go.

Hope26 Wed 07-May-14 20:25:38

use them along with pregnacare conception tablets. Buy the 20pack it will last you two three months but I'm hoping you won't have to use them for long. Hope to hear good news soon

silverine Wed 07-May-14 22:21:16

Hi all!

hope so sorry about your loss! I know there's not much I can say that will make you feel better so take care of yourself, focus on any positive things around you and best of lucj for next time!

seb I recognise your frustration from my CP/early MC - it's sucha rollercoaster of emotions - down and up and down again... thanks

metal I know how you feel, DTD every day can be hard when you're tired and not feeling like it, but if you don't, you feel like you're wasting the cycle... catch 22!

I struggle with weight too by the sea and english - in the dark period of MCs1 and 2 when I didn't care what I ate, I put on nearly 10 kgs - I'm the heaviest I've ever been and it's so hard to shift. Also, while TTCing, I don't want to undertake any drastic diets like intermitent fasting, so trying to cut down a bit overall... hard for it not to get you down though.

triple I hate pregnancy anouncements too and thankfully haven't had any recently but a colleague of mine was returning after maternity leave today. I found out she was pregnant very shortly after my MC2, so still have bad associations, but obvuisly I can't mention that to her...

CD3 for me today and had my first acupuncture appointment of the cycle - this one is meant to bring the temperature down in the follicular stage, so will see how it compares to last month's chart!

Morning ladies,

Hope, I'm so sorry for your loss. I hope you have some people around you in rl that can give you support and a hug.

Still waiting for af to kick in properly. Onwards and upwards and all that hmm

Hope26 Thu 08-May-14 10:34:17

Thank you English. Yes I have a very supportive family. I wanted to ask I've been bleeding for a week after surgical when will it stop and after how long after this bleeding stop will I be expecting for my period to start? Also what does AF mean? I'm not used to these abbreviations thanks

GailLondon Thu 08-May-14 12:05:21

welcome Hope so sorry that you find yourself here on this thread but you are very welcome among us.
From what I've seen the amount of bleeding seems to vary a lot. For me, my MC was at 12 weeks, I bled for about 10 days, and got my next period 5 weeks after the MC. I think your body needs the pregnancy hormone to go back down to 0 before your normal hormone cycle kicks in so its unlikely you would get a period or ovulate until a pregnancy test showed negative.
We have a lot of acronyms!
AF = Aunt flo = period

Ellisisland Thu 08-May-14 12:47:29

Am struggling today. Am at work and both women I sit with have announced they are pregnant. I really do want to be happy for them but am struggling. I feel like such an awful person for not being happy for them sad

Cakebaker35 Thu 08-May-14 13:44:29

hope I bled for 2 weeks following the procedure and got AF just over 4 weeks later, but as gail said it varies a lot. I was told to take a preg test once the bleeding had stopped to make sure it was negative/to be sure it was all over as those pesky hormones can stay around for a while.

ellis cake for you, that's really hard, I'm not surprised you're feeling low and you are not an awful person, pregnancy announcements give me the total rage at the moment. I am happy for people but equally angry and pissed off for me. X

Metalhead Thu 08-May-14 13:59:34

Welcome hope, I'm sorry you find yourself here but hopefully we can help you get through this awful time. After my erpc I bled for about a week, then got AF about 3 weeks later.

Ellis that's really tough! no wonder you're struggling.

I just had lunch with my friend and held her 4-week-old for an hour while he snoozed in my arms, it was really lovely actually. Made me even more broody of course, but I didn't feel sad or jealous at all surprisingly.

DH and I had one last roll of the dice last night with our third TITH session in a row, and tonight we're off to stay with the in laws for a long weekend so my 2ww begins here. AF is due a week before we go on holiday, so at least if I don't get my BFP this month I've got something else to look forward to.

Cakebaker35 Thu 08-May-14 14:07:14

By the way, any poas-ers tomorrow??

Hope26 Thu 08-May-14 14:33:51

Thank you Gail. I understand the lingo now! I will wait until my first period come and then see how I feel.

Ellis I know the feeling, it hurts a lot but then think of the women who can't conceive or have never had an opportunity to fall pregnant. I see it as look at the people who have less than you- for then you will be grateful. Your time will soon come don't give up and I hope we all fall pregnant this year.

Ellisisland Thu 08-May-14 14:41:04

Hope - that's a good way of looking at things thank you

I think it's not just the fact they are pregnant but that I will be siting with them for the next 6 months and listening and talking to them about baby things. I guess I am terrified of either getting BFN or another mc and then having to chat happily about babies the next day. But still positive mind set ! grin

Not poas this Friday but will be next week. Good luck for anyone testing tomorrow.

Hope26 Thu 08-May-14 16:20:26

That will be hard and I guess it's annoying. Do they know your situation? If they do then I'm hoping they will be more considerate. I'm finding it hard looking at pregnant women down the road and I'm going crazy when I see pushchairs. My friend is expecting in June - I won't even go visit I don't think I am ready at the moment to be around babies yet. I feel sad but then again I'm still young and there's still hope!

Some women are just so blessed to have kids but you never k is their stories. Everyone has a story and is blessed in one way or the other. Hope it all goes well for you and stay strong.

Hope, you sound remarkably strong.
Thoughts are with you Ellis, it's so hard. I saw 3 of my pregnant friends while I was recently back in the UK. I was surprised by how I felt, the pangs of jealousy were there but also a massive amount of joy for them.

I know one way or another I will have my family, it's just taking longer than planned.

On another note - my fecking body is throwing another bloody curve abll. Just when I think it's behaving!! 14dpo, had 3days of brown cm, with some red blood. BFN this morning. This stupid spotting can't possibly be af, its far too light to be considered a period, but if it is I fail to see how my lining could ever support a viable pregnancy hmm angry

Metalhead Thu 08-May-14 17:15:38

English my periods have been much lighter post mc too, only one day of full flow followed by two days of more or less heavy spotting. Pre mc I had at least two days heavy flow followed by four or five days light bleeding. Not sure whether this is anything to worry about, but I'm choosing not to at the moment...

Mine have always been light Metal, but I couldn't even class this as light flow. It really is just spotting. Fed up!

marshmallowpies Thu 08-May-14 17:48:27

New joiner to this thread, after hovering around the miscarriage boards all month.

I had a MC at the start of April (9 weeks, but embryo only measured 5-6 weeks when we went for an early scan just before the MC happened), and my period has started again today.

I was pretty sure I had ovulated a couple of weeks back, a few days after the MC bleeding finally finished, so persuaded DH to do the deed that weekend. Didn't really think I had got pregnant, but was feeling a wee bit hopeful till this morning.

We have an amazing DD, just turned 2, so whatever happens we have one wonderful child and we know we are beyond lucky to have her, but I don't want this to be the end of the story just yet. I'm 38 later this year, DH is about to turn 40. Argh!

Cakebaker35 Thu 08-May-14 18:05:22

Welcome marsh, very sorry to hear of your loss but you will find lots of good support here and laughs along the way. Sorry to hear AF has arrived but it's early days too.

We have a fair bit in common, I mc'd at just over 9 wks in March and also measured between 5-6 wks, turned out would've been twins. I also have a dd who is just over 2 and am 38 soon, gulp! Dh 43 so an oldie compared to yours smile I too try to feel glad every day for what I already have but some days it's just so bloody difficult isn't it and I am just not ready for this to be the end of the road yet so plucking up the courage to start ttc again soon once this cycle is out the way.

Hope26 Thu 08-May-14 18:16:49

I believe in God and I believe that he tests whom he loves. If there was no struggle we would be the most ungrateful creatures on earth. All our calamities is just to make us more grateful for our blessings and appreciate the creator. That's how I view calamities and accept God's decree for me.

English and marsh keep being patient and God will bless you again. It's hard as we keep going on forums, googling things, take a second to thank God for all the blessings you do have and see how he opens doors for you.

I am struggling myself to remain patient but I have no other option, I am not on control of my destiny, whatever God has written for me will come to me and benefit me and whatever is taken away - there is greater wisdom that only God knows what he saved you from. God only puts burden on you which you can bear.

I think once I go back to work I will think less about conceiving I hope! I need to relax and let nature takes its course x

Cakebaker35 Thu 08-May-14 18:54:50

I don't share your beliefs hope but I'm glad you have something that gets you through the difficult times.

Hope26 Thu 08-May-14 19:03:39

Thanks cakebaker, I really pray that we all get blessed again real soon and have a healthy child.

I will keep you guys posted as to when my AF begins.

LittleMissSunshine33 Thu 08-May-14 21:18:44

Welcome newbies I'm sorry you find yourselves here! I hope it is only a short stay for you!

No AF will do a (whisper) test tomorrow morning but been having AF symptoms and no pregnancy ones but it's not over til the wicked auntie sings!

Sorry to hear people are feeling low sad

Littlelady33 Thu 08-May-14 21:25:21

Exciting Littlemiss how many dpo are you?

Thanks Hope, while i'm not a religious person, I do believe that there is a path for me. I hope you get your happy ending soon!
LittleMiss I'll keep everything crossed for you smile

HollyBen Thu 08-May-14 22:21:05

My AF is practically non existent since the MC too english I got excited this month when I actually had some blood when I wiped confused

Justonemoretime Thu 08-May-14 23:36:13

I'm not religious, but I hope it helps you get through this, Hope.
Personally I find it easier to think that this happened to me for bad luck and biological misfire rather than this was somehow my destiny, even if it was for a really good reason. Love and understanding to all. Got AF, drank wine.

Littlelady33 Fri 09-May-14 06:26:23

Sorry AF got you just. Littlemiss hoping for some good news everything crossed for you.

LittleMissSunshine33 Fri 09-May-14 07:03:27

Sorry justone fingersX for next month it could be a valentines day baby grin

No AF but a BFN I know we keep saying it but I wish my body would play ball! It used to be so reliable before MC!!

Littlelady33 Fri 09-May-14 07:06:23

Sorry to hear that Littlemiss could it still be quite early to test ?

officelady Fri 09-May-14 07:09:32

Where is LittlemissSunshine? Hopefully in shock from a +ve test result!
This thread slid off my "threads I'm on" again, I am not posting because NOTHING IS HAPPENING!! I am cd14 today, no sign of ovulation approaching. Have done a fair bit of tith though, just in case wink

officelady Fri 09-May-14 07:10:24

bugger, cross posted with you littlemiss No AF is still a good sign though, it might just be too early. Chin up!

Littlelady33 Fri 09-May-14 07:14:58

Exactly - chin up Littlemiss you're not out yet! Good work there too Office, just because the signs aren't there doesn't mean you won't ov so best to just keep trying. Anyone else thinking resolve not to drink much during 2ww might be tested by Eurovision party this weekend..? Just me...?

LittleMissSunshine33 Fri 09-May-14 07:15:55

Thanks still AF pains think it's on it's way but Im sure I will do another 1 (2) today! I was wondering that because I had a late OV this cycle do you think that could make my AF late??

Littlelady33 Fri 09-May-14 07:18:10

Late ov I think could make AF late, and mean that you'd need to test later do you know how many dpo you are?

tannyLoo Fri 09-May-14 07:48:51

Littlemiss when did you ov? Ideally, your luteal phase, the time between ov and af, should be about 14 days long, so that should be a reasonable guide. If you got upduffed, implantation takes about 7-12 days after fertilising and hormones start to double after that. With a sensitive stick, you would expect to see a feint line between 9 and 13 days after ov.

Sorry if you knew some of this before, but before this last year of headfuckery I had no idea about these cycles! blush

News in Tanny Towers is a bit depressing tbh, but I'll post more about my woes later...

Sorry Af got you Just.... Bitch!!
Hopefully it's still early for you LittleMiss
If this spotting is indeed Af Holly, I think my chances of ever getting pg again must be slim to none. How can my body ever harvest a baby, with lining that's virtually non existant

Cakebaker35 Fri 09-May-14 09:27:54

Sorry AF got you just

little you're not out til the witch shows up!

<waves> to everyone else, hope you are all feeling chin up, tits out, but if not there is always cake x

Well it's cd25 here and I'm feeling full of pmt, AF due next week while I'm on hols so at least I'll be away and enjoying some wine with friends. Looking forward to having a week away from everything, being offline, in a place with almost zero mobile signal etc, yippee.

While I'm away next week this thread is definitely due a bfp! So look forward to logging on and catching up on all the news x

Metalhead Fri 09-May-14 10:27:01

Sorry for AF just, and for your BFN little. Tanny's right though, your LP should be the same every month, so if it's usually 14 days then if you ov'd on CD15 you'd get AF on CD29, but if you ov'd late on CD20 you'd get AF on CD34. I hope that makes sense?

tanny I hope you're ok?

Enjoy your holiday cakebaker, are you going anywhere nice and sunny? (I might have missed it if you said where you're going already).

2dpo here so not much to report. Really hope this is our month as we couldn't have timed our TITH any better, but at the same time trying not to build my hopes up too much. And I will NOT symptom spot or test early this month!! hmm

Littlelady33 Fri 09-May-14 11:49:54

Metal I'm also trying so hard not to symptom but at 9dpo it's super hard. Every weird twinge is somehow hard to ignore!

Cakebaker35 Fri 09-May-14 13:14:25

Thanks metal, nowhere hot, I'm not a fan of hot weather especially after skin cancer last year! Nope we're heading up to the Lakes for a wet and windy week I think! Keeping everything crossed for you this cycle x

Ellisisland Fri 09-May-14 13:25:54

Oh god just got a letter from my doctors telling me I need to have a whopping cough vaccination as i will soon be 28 weeks pregnantsad it really shook me up. I rang the surgery and complained and the woman who answered was so nice and apologised a lot but it has really shook me up.

Metalhead Fri 09-May-14 14:39:22

Thanks cake, hope you have a lovely time away and fx AF doesn't spoil your fun!

Ellis that's awful, but sadly not surprising - NHS admin can be truly shocking at times! I hope you gave them a good bollocking.

LittleMissSunshine33 Fri 09-May-14 17:25:48

Thanks all!
I'm 12PO CD 31 "normally" BMC (Before MC) I had a regular 14days LP I had a late OV this cycle so fingers X don't want to get my hopes up though!

Cake hope you have fun!
Ellis that's so sad must be horrid for you!

I've enjoyed having a 4 day week this week I could get used to it! smile

Ellis that's awful! The communication between the nhs is shocking! Hope you have them what for!!

MrsCorr Fri 09-May-14 19:21:47

Hi ladies, looking for a bit if advice. Came off the pill in February & found out I was pregnant at the end of April. Sadly this resulted in a miscarriage. But now I'm confused about my cycle! My last real period was march 20th but bleeding (miscarriage) started last Wednesday so does that make that cycle day 1? Meaning I'm now on cd 10? My fertility friend app is all over the place cos it was over 6 weeks since my last period so estimates I won't ovulate for another 2 weeks, I'm guessing because it thinks my normal cycle is now 6 weeks. Plus I've only had one real period since stopping the pill so I've no idea how long my cycle really is. Can't really remember before the pill, have a feeling it might have been around 30 days.
So stressed out with all of this, who knew it would be so bloody difficult?!

marshmallowpies Fri 09-May-14 19:35:17

Thank you for the welcome...it's a strange place to be in, but oddly enough not lonely, as there is so much support on here, and (as I've found) in real life too.

I have 2 friends who had MCs around the same time as me, and talking about it openly has led to others saying that they'd had MCs in the past too, so although I'm also surrounded by friends having second babies, we are all being very supportive of each other and it's really helping me.

Felt very strange having a period again after three months as I had to dig out my tampons, I'd put them in the back of the cupboard thinking 'I won't need these for the rest of the year!'...but after a MC an ordinary period feels quite, well, ordinary. I've never had to pay much attention to ovulation and my cycle up till now, I'm going to have to start focusing on it if I want to get my BFP!

Sending you all good wishes...and for a happy weekend too x

Carly6971 Fri 09-May-14 19:42:24

Welcome to the newbies sorry you had to find us but hopefully your stay will be short smile

mrsc I counted my mc bleed as cd 1 but didn't ov that cycle and bled for 10 days. My first period post mc came 5 weeks and a few days after the bleeding stopped, so close to 7 weeks from when mc first started. My cycles seem to have settled now as the one I have just had (2nd post mc) was 35 days (I have pcos and cycles vary from 32-36 days). Hope that helps smile everyone is different tho, just rest assured your period will come.

As for me I finished my clomid today so hoping on the tith train smile x

I've also found a lot of support in openly talking about the mc Marshmallow. It surprising that so many people suffer without you ever knowing.
MrsCorr, sorry for your loss. I counted the first day of bleeding as cd1 and started my next (VERY LIGHT) period at cd23, didn't ovulate that cycle either. Everyone is different though. If you're eager to jump straight back in I'd gets some OPKs and starts testing, some ladies ov early the first cycle after. Good luck.

Well I've just been very naughty and poas - VERY faint line on an ic! Not excited yet, just feel like it's a cruel joke and AF will show up any day. Especially as I've had this brown cm since 12dpo. Seems to be petering off now though. We'll see I guess, nothing more I can do. Got a drs appointment on 20th so will ask for a blood test.

Littlelady33 Sat 10-May-14 08:10:44

English fingers crossed for you! How many dpo are you now?

16dpo now... Can't help but feel that if it was viable the lines would be darker.

LittleMissSunshine33 Sat 10-May-14 08:15:34

Welcome newbies!

English Big FingersX for you!!

AF has got me hmm and heavy too next month would mean a possible valentines baby which seems a little strange as that is when I last found out I was pregnant. Am off to watch Jimmy Carr tonight so at least I can have some wine

MrsCorr I would count first day of your bleed as CD1 my cycle was 4 days longer than normal after my MC and as others have said I didn't OV that first cycle.

Sorry AF got you LittleMiss, hope nest cycle is the one for you, I think it would be a nice little nod to the baby you lost. Have fun at Jimmy Carr - I love him!! Enjoy the wine

Ellisisland Sat 10-May-14 09:36:55

Thanks for the sympathy about the letter. I did ring the doctors intending to go mad at them but the woman I spoke to was so horrified and sympathetic that I ended up crying instead! I feel fine about it now. Overall my doctors and hospital have been really good and very sensitive about everything so they were bound to make one mistake.

Still in the 2ww. Trying to keep busy and am of to a christening today which will be interesting trying to keep DS quiet smile

Hope everyone has a good weekend

anyhumanheart Sat 10-May-14 10:03:16

Hi everyone, welcome to the new faces smile.

That's great English!! Hope your next tests are encouraging. Sebs hope you are ok? Have fun on the train carly grin

Well AF got me yesterday, only the first cycle post MC so not too much of a surprise but disappointing obviously, was hoping for a miracle! AF arrived at only 11dpo which is a little worrying as I normally had about a 2 week luteal phase before MC. If AF comes at 11dpo, does that mean the lp is actually only 10 days (i.e. not counting the day of AF arrival)? And did anyone else have unusual lps after MC?

Anyway, littlemiss and others, I've been thinking of reasons to be cheerful for not conceiving this month (with the firm assumption that next cycle will be the one wink ):

1. February is a cool month for a b'day - Aquarius, valentine's day, Chinese new year etc.
2. One month less heavily PG at Christmas time.
3. For those of us TTC#2, one month extra undivided attention for our PFBs, and they do love that!!
4. Feb was the due month of the first baby I conceived after my DD.

LittleMissSunshine33 Sat 10-May-14 11:07:14

Thanks English and any! Sorry AF got you any they do sound good reasons and it means they would be a nice age for the summer! Positive thoughts!

Now what new things shall I try this month??

Littlelady33 Sat 10-May-14 11:33:51

That's fantastic anyhuman I'm also holding out for a valentine's present - although I'm still in technically for this cycle - think I'm around 9-10 dpo but not going to test until much later, probably before we go on holiday a week Wednesday if AF hadn't arrived

Littlelady33 Sat 10-May-14 13:03:01

Littlemiss as for anything new to try I'm all for a bit of old fashioned dtd every other day from cd7 to cd 21 ish. OPKs add a whole layer of stress I could do without especially the whole getting out of office to poas thing. But it's early days for me - give it a few more months and I'm sure I'll want to get more scientific.

Metalhead Sat 10-May-14 14:47:32

Tentative congratulations English! Try not to worry too much about the faintness of lines, they do vary with each test I think, and it sounds like the brown cm was implantation which means it's still very early days.

Thanks metal, I'm trying not to think about it too much. It's very early days and we all know how things can end. One day at a time.

silverine Sat 10-May-14 15:50:10

Tentative congrats again English and sorry for those AF got.

I'm CD6 now so not DTD yet, but I had some weird temp readings today. So far I'd been .6 .4 .4 .4 .4, which is very good (teh acupuncture has done the trick to bring them down compared to last month). Normally I get the ov dip of .2 on CD13 (before spiking), so we start DTD from around CD10-11. But this morning when I first woke up I got .1, couldn't believe it and tried again and it was .2 hmm... Anyway, got up, went wee and went back to bed. When i finally woke up (around 11am!! shock) it was .6. So what do I record? I don't suppose it's early ov..? confused

GailLondon Sun 11-May-14 10:17:59

Morning everyone!
english how exciting! Crossing all my fingers and toes for you. Have you Poas again today?

Well I got a lovely positive on my opk yesterday so am going to try and seduce hubby into a bonus tith tonight! Probably before match of the day comes on or it will be a lost cause!

silverine Sun 11-May-14 10:24:35

Haha! Good luck with that gail! My DH has gone up to Liverpool to watch the game, not coming back till tomorrow, so would have no chance if it was ov time.
Thank goodness the season finishes, even more so as he decided that not shaving brings them luck, so has grown a long beird now... smile

Haven't poas again yet Gail. Feel very much like af is going to arrive...So trying not to get my hopes up further. Wish I hadn't poas yesterday to be honest. I feel like i've built myself up for a fall.

My dh had also grown a mahoosive beard but thankfully shaved it off a couple of weeks ago because so many men here in Amsterdam have them. Look sooo much better without.

officelady Sun 11-May-14 12:24:39

I am married to a bloke with a beard too - they are very on trend right now! My dh's beard suits him as long as he keeps it nicely trimmed, he once grew it really long and it looked awful! I'm sure he appreciated me telling him so wink
I am just going to whisper this very quietly so I don't scare it off ... got a very clear positive OPK yesterday, morning & afternoon. First sign of ovulation since last December so naturally I gave dh the glad eye & got some tith last night. Will give it a couple more goes over the next few days too. Then I guess I'm in the 2ww - yikes!

GailLondon Sun 11-May-14 13:18:09

Oh good news office! You must have been so excited to see those opk lines appearing.

silverine Sun 11-May-14 14:12:45

That's exactly the problem office. He's been growing it since January so is around 3 inches long <shudder>! I like a cm or so stubble on him but that's just ridiculous.
Well done on the ov office!! wink

My DH looked like a white Bin Laden! Not good! Lol!
Yay for the positive OPK Office!

Ellisisland Sun 11-May-14 15:42:20

English - ��

I'm still in the 2ww and am obviously waiting patiently

Ellisisland Sun 11-May-14 15:46:16

That was supposed to be a laughing smiley not sure what happened there!

LittleMissSunshine33 Sun 11-May-14 19:58:32

Hi ladies my OH grow a beard and mustache for Movember but it itched me so was glad when he got rid of it!

TMI Alert! My AF seems to be bright red at times which is unusual for me only happened during MC...Any one else had this since? Should I be worried? blush

bythesea82 Sun 11-May-14 23:24:20

I also have a bearded husband, if he shaves he looks about 12 so I put up with the itching wink

sunshine I guess everyone is different, I have always had quite heavy periods and normally have a day where it's really bright red fresh blood then goes darker again, dr never seemed to think it was unusual of heavy enough to worry about.....

Justonemoretime Sun 11-May-14 23:25:52

My husband also has a beard... #correlation shock

tannyLoo Mon 12-May-14 00:22:00

My dh sports a tash that makes him a "face" in town! I love it!

Littlelady33 Mon 12-May-14 06:54:46

Mine has also gone from stubbly to full on beard the past few months. I like it - it's kind of softer! Am symptom spotting like mad despite telling myself it just wouldn't happen again so quickly. May have to poas on Friday after all just to call myself down.

So I braved a digi this morning... Ic was still very light.. But if I only implanted at 12dpo when my temp dipped I suppose that's why.
Scared stiff now. Not going to pee on any more stick and will try to just roll with it.

GailLondon Mon 12-May-14 09:39:15

English that's fabulous! xx

Littlelady33 Mon 12-May-14 09:52:24

Wonderful news English!

Ellisisland Mon 12-May-14 09:54:44

That's great news English!

bythesea82 Mon 12-May-14 09:58:47

Congrats, nice to have good news on a Monday morning grin

Thank you ladies, I'm petrified now! Spent so long trying to get to this point, now it's terrifying!

Littlelady33 Mon 12-May-14 10:36:27

English that's natural I'm sure. I'm holding out on testing as much because I'm scared of a positive as a negative. An mc takes the innocence out of pregnancy and it's such a shame. But there's no reason to think that you will have anything other than an uneventful 8 months now!

Tranquilitybaby Mon 12-May-14 13:23:20

Congrats English x

officelady Mon 12-May-14 13:26:21

Massive congrats English!!! Fingers crossed for a dull and uneventful nine months grin

TeaRex Mon 12-May-14 14:04:30

Just delurking to say congratulations english smile

Triplespin Mon 12-May-14 17:23:22

Wow congrats English!! Wishing you a boring text book pregnancy!

I have been lurking as well. Not much going on to share. Hope everyone is well!

Thank you ladies! You have all been super supportive, you definitely helped lift my mood at times over the last 6 months. I'm not sure how i'd have got through without your support, understanding and wise words. I truly hope everyone here gets a sticky bfp soon. I'm going to stick around for a while... smile

Carly6971 Mon 12-May-14 19:31:55

Congrats English so happy for u xx

broodylicious Mon 12-May-14 19:35:14

Hey all. Just thought I'd pop in and see how you lovely ladies are doing. Lovely to see some great news at the top of the thread, congratulations english. Not seen a recent post from sebs, though, is she ok? She was so kind to me - as you all were when I was here - I do hope all is well. Welcome to all the newbies, I'm so sorry for your losses hmm these ladies are The Best though, you're in ace company.

Since last time I posted, not much to report. We sold our house (in six days) and had our offer accepted on a new one last week. I'm 10 weeks past my mc and my head is only now getting back to normal. Less time spent crying about our loss so I'm feeling a little stronger. I'm still bleeding, though, think I've had perhaps eight odd random days with no bleeding, but at least the clots seem to have stopped. If I'm still bleeding at all by Friday, I'm off to the GP and will ask for microgynon (just stopped breastfeeding dd so at least I can take it) as I read on here that it can reset your cycle. I need it to reset as I feel Im in a place where I can now start thinking of TITH and baby making again. And I want to join in with you guys again!! smilesmile

LittleMissSunshine33 Mon 12-May-14 21:33:31

Congrats English!! grin

Thanks for your message BytheSea!

Glad to see you are beginning to feel a little better broody it really takes a long time thanks

HollyBen Mon 12-May-14 22:16:29

Brilliant news English Congratulations!

50degreesintheshade Tue 13-May-14 07:27:14

Huge congratulations english
This morning I got a smiley face on the op stick!

tannyLoo Tue 13-May-14 07:39:35

English well done you! x

Broody nice to have you drop by...

Lots to report from me, but at the same time not, IYSWIM...

My second blood test for APS (sticky blood) came back normal, I got the results a week ago. It really upset me as I so wanted to have a treatable condition!

Being in need of a project, I have contacted Professor Quenby's implantation clinic in Coventry and started making plans to have my nk cells measured.

We went back to see my consultant yesterday, and it went well. He sent us for genetic blood testing and prescribed me progesterone and heparin as "just in case" measures.

I mentioned Prof Q, and his eyes lit up! He thinks her work is great and is really happy for me to go and see her.

I was going to wait until the test results come back to see Prof Q, but might just crack on. CD2 here and I can make an appointment once I get a positive opk.

All said, no answers (yet) to explain 5 consecutive mcs but being taken seriously really helps!

Thanks ladies! smile

Tanny - sorry the results of the APS test weren't what you wanted. Your new plan sounds good though, I'm glad your consultant is supportive of you seeing Prof Q. I really hope you get some answers soon. You so deserve some good luck.

GailLondon Tue 13-May-14 08:52:39

Hi broody good to hear from you! I remember our MC's were at the same time so I was surprised to hear you say it's been 10 weeks already....sometimes seems like only yesterday, but sometimes seems like a lifetime ago....
Hope the microgynon works for you, sounds like a good idea to reset things..10 weeks of bleeding doesn't sound good at all, must be incredibly frustrating for you

Carly6971 Tue 13-May-14 14:42:31

Hey broody glad ur feeling a little more human and ready to come back and join us x

Ellisisland Tue 13-May-14 17:53:37

Hey broody welcome smile it took me a while to even feel like I could talk about the miscarriage to anybody even on here so I'm glad you are feeling better.

Has anyone heard from Sebsmummy? She was so lovely to me when I had my mc I really hope she is ok.

TallGiraffe Tue 13-May-14 18:24:41

Hi all, wondering if I can join you all?

I had a mc at 9 weeks a couple of weeks ago sad

At my follow up scan today it showed a follicle there ready to go and said I'd ovulate in the next couple of days. But then they went on to make a big deal out of using condoms until I next have a period. Did you all wait?

It took us 9 months to conceive our first little boy and we didn't use any contraception after he was born (he's 19month) and we'd been actively trying for 9 months for the baby we lost. I just can't bring myself to prevent conception unless there is a really good reason!

Carly6971 Tue 13-May-14 18:48:24

tall so sorry for your loss! I know how hard it is when you have tried for a long time. I tried for 6 years for our miracle who is now an angel sad

With regards to trying again, they only tell you to wait for a period for dating the next pregnancy, no real medical reason. So if your ready to go again then I would. I know I did. We pay our taxes so if the nhs have to give us an early dating scan so be it. I had to have one when I fell pregnant anyway to date it, due to pcos and irregular cycles. X

Carly6971 Tue 13-May-14 18:48:55

I miss sebs too! where is she? Hoping she's ok x

TallGiraffe Tue 13-May-14 19:28:51

6 years flowers

They said they would give me an early scan anyway because of the mc, we have an amazing maternity service where I am (luckily) and apparently that's standard.

Carly6971 Tue 13-May-14 19:35:28

There you go then tall no reason to try and not catch that egg smile good luck x

Tranquilitybaby Tue 13-May-14 20:04:53

I hope all is ok with sebs too x

Daisybell1 Tue 13-May-14 20:30:11

Can I join you please? I finally feel brave enough to admit we're ttc-ing. Dd is 2.8 and since her I've had mmc1 in July 2012, mc Oct 2012 and mmc2 April 2013.

We got off the bus whilst were referred to St Marys but their consultant tests came back with no cause for the mcs.

However I signed up for a parathyroid study wilst there which has found something. Unfortunately the nhs being what it is, I was referred to an endocrinologist at the end of Feb and have still not been contacted. So we've decided to risk it and try again.

Metalhead Tue 13-May-14 21:17:44

Welcome newbies, and sorry for your losses. We've had quite a few BFPs on here recently so hopefully your stay with us will be short!

Good work on selling your house so quickly broody, and I'm glad you feel able to start ttc again now.

sebs where are you?! We're all missing you on here.

I'm 7dpo and already starting to climb the walls again trying not to symptom spot... At least in the run up to ov I can pee on at least one stick a day and feel like I'm doing something! This sitting and waiting is driving me mad. I think I will have to apply for a few more jobs this week just to keep me busy.

sunnyday01 Tue 13-May-14 21:42:20

Hi - can I join in - I've been lurking for a while! Been ttc since December 2012 - hit the jackpot first month (couldn't believe it!) but started spotting at 6 weeks, had early scans and saw heartbeat but eventually miscarried at 8 weeks. Got pregnant again in October 2013 but only knew for 4 days before spotted started, 2 days later had a miscarriage at 5 weeks.

Went to see my gp and he did some tests - 21 day pro came back at 8 - was told this was borderline so referred to consultant at peterborough hospital ( my local hospital). Was lookng forward to my appointment but the consultant was a complete knob - very unsympathetic and told me my second oregnancy may even not have been 'real' - dismissed a lot of my test results and basically said nothing was wrong but needed to loose weight (-0although I could do with loosing a couple of stone - I felt that was all he focussed on). The only positive was that dh did the aps ( blood clotting) test and also advised me to have a day 24 prog test as I have a 31 day cycle.

Was really upset after appointment as felt like it was a waste of time and my fault as I was overweight. Aps test came back negative - was upset as wanted to find something I could treat!

Anyway after 4 months of trying and getting nowhere I started looking a bit more at my periods and noticed I get a lot of spotting before the red blood(sorry if tmi!) and thought it could be linked to LH defect or progesterone so went and got my 24 day prog test done - it came back at 5.4.

Me and the dh are just fed up with knowing something is not quite right but not getting any help or support so we gave decidedto go and see dr shehata - 1st appt at end of June- to see if he can give us the help and advice and support we need. Looking forward to it but scared too.

Sorry thus is a bit long!!

Littlelady33 Tue 13-May-14 21:48:55

Welcome newbies hope your stay is short and that you find support here. Metal I hear you,am also symptom spotting and trying desperately not to. Sebs if you're around and lurking I hope all's ok.

Ellisisland Tue 13-May-14 22:10:40

Another one symptom spotting like crazy here and pretending I am not! Driving myself crazy. Is anyone POAS this Friday ? My period is due on the Saturday so planning on using a first response test on Friday.

Welcome to the newbies and I hope your stay here is short and so sorry to read all the stories sadthanks

Fergie11 Tue 13-May-14 22:53:56

Congratulations English x

Littlelady33 Wed 14-May-14 06:48:24

Exciting Ellis - first response should be quite effective one day before AF is due. I'm trying to take relaxed approach to this cycle - AF due Sat but if she arrives my holiday next week will probably involve way less stressing about suitable foods and smog levels in SE Asia. So I'm telling myself anyway, whilst getting my hopes up massively because I have a a small spot on my chin, last time was before my BFP, time before that was in the early 90s. So glad I have you ladies to share this with whilst keeping up appearance of sanity to outside world.

broodylicious Wed 14-May-14 07:39:22

Thanks all for welcoming me back smile I've missed you gals.

Ooh little whereabouts in SE Asia? My fave part of the world!envyenvy

Morning all!

I haven't posted for ages as was having a rough time with lots of work stress and struggling to get my head around the mmc, as well as other ups and downs. Everything got on top of me for a while, but I feel a bit stronger now. I'm very lucky to have amazing support IRL as all my close friends knew I was pg and rallied round during the mmc. They're all rooting for us to get a sticky bean soon, but MN is the place where I can really indulge my inevitable ttc insanity smile.

I've lurked a bit, so welcome to all the newbies and massive congratulations to those who've had BFPs - sending out positive, sticky vibes for you all. Handholding and cake for those who need it.

I'm in the 2ww of my first proper cycle after the mmc. AF due Saturday and I might poas on Friday, though have no symptoms except the imaginary ones I "spot" every half hour and google the shit out of, of course. Fx for any poas-ers coming up. Chin up, tits out for everyone else smile.

Littlelady33 Wed 14-May-14 10:43:04

Good to have you back Broody! Off to Thailand, to drink lots of beer and cocktails if I get a BFN between here and next week!

bythesea82 Wed 14-May-14 11:22:28

Hi to those new to the thread, sorry you find yourself here but nice to have you and sending virtual hugs....

jetpack same as you, in 2ww of first proper cycle since mc. Might risk Friday stick peeage but not due till Monday so risky but it would be nice if there was a reason for my extreme grumpiness and requirement to sleep by 8pm. Most likely I am just grumpy and tired hmm

Seems like Friday could be a busy one for stick action!

broodylicious Wed 14-May-14 11:26:28

Oh I'm so jealous little! We went to Thailand a few years ago - Bangkok then krabi - and we just love the place for its scenery, culture, amazingly friendly people and of course how cheap everything is! Have you been before?

Littlelady33 Wed 14-May-14 11:38:33

Absolutely love the place - have been a couple of times and DH loves the place so tempting to go back - the 20p beers help!

Littlelady33 Wed 14-May-14 12:34:46

Since I'm off on Thursday night would like special dispensation to poas Thursday morning if the witch doesn't show up

Ellisisland Wed 14-May-14 15:07:13

I think special dispensation can be granted ! grin