Ski Sunday music ready, the BESH are Bobsleighing their way through the icy slopes of hope and despair to win their medals(1000 Posts)
If you’re over 30, ttc over 12 months and wearing nipple tassels under your snowsuit then this just might be the thread for you - if you can prove yourself bitter and evil enough. We’ll be the judge of that. Don your snowsuit , cowbell ready - fill in the BESHtionnaire and prepare to meet our icy glare. This is a marathon, not a sprint.
Revised Beshtionnare for reference
1) Do you like gin? (This is compulsory, you must say 'Yes')
2) Men - are you a gold digger or a cradle snatching cougar?
3) Baybee-making - to put a baybee in your tumtum, which hole do you use:
d) none, you just pray to the baby Jebus.
4) Testing - when someone wonders if they should test for updiff (pg), do you:
a) bellow 'POAS!' at them non-stop and punch them repeatedly in the kidneys till they wet themselves anyway.
b) Sprinkle them with babydust and send them hugs and kisses on lickle baby angel wings.
5) Is R2D2:
a) an adorable robot from Star Wars.
b) the source of all evil.
6) Number of pets?
7) Inappropriate (read: weird) crush of shame?
8) Lesbian crush?
9) How much money have you spent on sticks you then urinate on?
a) Oh nothing, I'll probably catch first time and then get the doctor to confirm it.
b) Over 100 quid
c) I opened an account on ebay solely for the purpose of purchasing sticks
10) Which of these sentences is appalling:
a) Off to see the consultant today!!! So excited!!!!!
b) Gud luck hun sprinkling babydust for ya lol xxx
c) both of the above
11) How barren are you?
a) childless and TTC for at least one year
b) one child and TTC #2 for at least two years
c) I've been trying for 2 cycles and the wait is driving me mad!
If (c) then the BESH is not the thread for you.
<Slides in on a bin liner> Just marking my place.
<throws self on comfy sofa by roaring log fire>
<falls over, collapsed in heap>
I misread "bobsleighing" as "blowjobbing" - probably not the way to end up diffed...
<clambers into après ski hot tub>
Gets the party started though draf
I am just here for the apres ski.
Dammit, I had a link fail on the final post of t'other fred
<gets the nurses to push my bed over the edge of the run> wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
<falls over and lands in snowdrift>
<gives up and sticks to the apres>
Nice new fred, cherry.
geek 16 eggsies is brilliant. Well done.
<Rides in on the back of a snow leopard>
Hags I've had an emotional morning and nearly passed out at the hospital. I need gin, lots of gin.
Nutshell: Egg collection is on Tuesday but Ovaries doing a bit too well so I'm a risk for OHSS (Google it) and there is a chance they'll have to freeze all my embies and not put any back so I have extra scan appts and pills to take. Lots of info to take in and remember and I was there on my own and felt really overwhelmed.
Off for a little nap now to recover.
<hugs bugs >
Hopefully they've managed to catch it in time to stave off OHSS
Me too. They're doing all they can and so am I. Someone on the 10+ thread has just given me some brilliant advice so even if I get it hopefully I can shift it without the need to freeze the embies.
I've just woolfed down a big bar of dairy milk fruit and nuts in less than 3 minutes and now feel a bit sick.
I was planning to do loads today but I'm so washed out I'm having another sofa day instead.
<misjudges the ski jump and barrels through a crowd of baby dusters>
Marking my place.
Oh Bugs, try not to stress. They've given you advice and options so at least you've not been left to it by yourself. Dairy Milk is definitely a good thing in these circumstances.
After a chat with the nurse that rang me from the clinic with my ec time and a bit of a Google I feel a bit more confident that I know what I can do myself to minimise the risks. I'm still feeling emotionally exhausted today and quite numb. I think I'll have a nice shower and an early night tonight. I know this next week is going to be physically and mentally tough but I know I'll get through it.
We're with you Bugs. Glad you're feeling a bit better about it. Of course you can do it because a) you're a BESH and b) you're you. Here, have the cod of comfort. I've had it for far too long.
<Grabs cod of comfort; Starfish of strength; and pufferfish of patience>
EC is the most stressful bit bugs and that will be over and done with very soon. I guess you are triggering tomorrow?. Once you are past that it is just a fancy smear (ET) and some menkulling.
Yep trigger tomorrow then Monday is drug free (apart from the aspirin and Cabergoline, or crazy pills as GP has named them as the side effects are a bit mental)
bugs sorry you had a shitter of an appointment, and on your own at that. I'm glad the lady on the other fred, and the nurse at your clinic, was able to give you some additional advice. The hard part's nearly over now, then it's just the menkulling you have to worry about.
AFM, after the excitement of getting 16 eggs they then came in to tell me that of all the millions in MrG's deposit, they were struggling to find 16 that actually moved, like, at all. So would we mind hanging fire as MrG might have to go again. God, the poor love. Thankfully we were told about an hour or so later that they had managed to get all they needed. So this is it, definitely our last shot at having 'our' baybee. Bricking it about fertilisation, but it's all out of our hands now. Just got to keep drinking the water, eating the salty stuff and start with the bum bullets tonight. Doner kebab and chips for tea tonight
<performs elegant parallel turn sending up sheet of powder and glides to a halt>
Hold tight Bugs. If it's only "a risk" then there's a good chance of it not happening, I guess. Do they not put embies back into someone who has had that? Is that the form?
Geek, how stressful . At least they got some in the end. Would there have been any more if he had had to perform again? Doesn't matter now, I guess.
We're going out for someone's birthday this evening to the Chinese. Will I be able to abstain? Hopefully everyone else won't be wasted. Maybe I'll try some of that alcohol free lager. The days of Kaliber are long gone.
hest HCG (if a pregnancy results) can worsen OHSS so if it is a real risk, I think there is a preference to freeze and put the embies back later.
geek what a stress! I'm glad you got there in the end.
Geek and Euro did you notice any ovulation signs when you were close to EC? My nipples hurt which I normally get before I ovulate, whilst I'm down regging I can't ovulate naturally right?
<gapes in awe at Hest's amazing powder spray>
<wipes out in snow drift>
geek and bugs what fucking days you've had. Glad the cod of comfort has been passed your way. I hope you're both taking it easy.
Are at hobart
<chucks departing snowball at Euro> how you doing oh most recently diffed one?
Are at hobart. Ahem, I mean Arf.
<falls off chair lift thing flat onto face>
Wotcha Hags. Nice thread Cherry. I'm watching from the sidelines. I've brought my loudest cowbell.
This thread reminds me of Cool Runnings so I've brought my lucky egg
Just the one bugs
thought it was quadz.
Nice yodelling jeff <go Team ESH>
<tramps in on snowshoes> Finally made it to the new fred! Nice job, cherry.
bugs that's right, the downreg drucks prevent you from ovulating naturally. Hang in there. Whatever happens, your embies will end up in the best place for them, whether that's in your straight away, or tucked up in the freezer temporarily.
control well done on your egg haul, and I'm glad that Mr C's <ahem> contribution was enough. Will you get fertilisation news in the morning?
Still waiting here for droid (due soon) before we can get going with FET. Found out today that another friend is diffed. I honestly thought I was feeling much more philosophical about things but for some reason
the fact that she was plastered when I saw her about 8 weeks ago I really felt that pang of outrage at the unfairness of it. Grrrrrrrrrrr.
Thanks Fizz. 'The Fear' has well and truly taken hold and I can't sleep for thinking/ worrying.
<Holds cod of comfort>
<Rocks back and forth>
<passes by the slope on a horse pulled sleigh>
Just making sure I'm close enough to know when my tasselling skills are required. Also here to grip hands and toes for menkulling over next few days
<Grabs little toe>
Yo Merks what are you doing awake at this time? Have you laid? I can't remember (sorry)
No, just insomnia. Have been up painting since 3!
I'm awake too. Have a bad head and can't go back to sleep
<slides in on arse with one ski and one pole missing>
Nice fred, cocopops. Can't sleep either. Thought I would pop back for a bit.
Fizzy - I thought I was on top of it and feeling philosophical about it all until the Dr told me I'd ovulated, have now didn't the past three days symptom spotting, hoping, telling myself I'm PG and also most deff not PG.
Feeling hormonal, teary, grumpy, all signs of anything and nothing, want AF to turn up
really actually want to be upduffed
Also feel horrid and guilty about it as I'm not having to struggle through ivf
yet and have Muchos respect for those if you who are, you're doing amazingly!
After that bit of non BESH attitude normal service will resume immediately!
<sets up a bar halfway down the easy slope serving mulled gin cider, every only to the people who can shout Cunt on the way down>
Morning Hags. managed to get a bit of sleep but feel very achey now. Sorry the Fred has got a bit mememememe and a bit full of IVF shiz.
It's your reward for the stabbing. You're allowed. Behold, I grant you the sturgeon of entirely appropriate selfishness.
<ties Norf to nearest tree! with extendable rope so she can still reach the bar>
Bugs it is entirely appropriate that you are "selfish" at the moment, don't worry about it.
Geek will you get The Call today?
Luges in with a woooooooohooooooooooooooooo! Plus an additional CUNT! for MissH's benefit
Bugs, cuddle up to that cod of comfort and breathe in the essence of carp of calm whilst we all hold on to your toes. The egg buddies definitely have been through this one and should be able to support you. Plus there are some schools of thought that say it's better for all ivfers to freeze them and wait for your body to get back to normal. At this point you really have to have trust in your specialists as they really should know what's best for your body.
Geek - good luck for the call today - hope mr g's fellas were up to muster in the end - what a horrendous stresser
AFM I had a top Burn's night out last night which was fun fun fun but then had scarily realistic dream where I dreamt I found out I was pregnant. Realistic because I wasn't excited but scared in a BESH way that it would fail and I was just posting on here to share with you all when I woke up it was my only natural pregnancy too. Sigh.
Slalom poles and everything else crossed for fertilisation news this morning geek.
Bugs and geek we're all willing you on so hard it's only appropriate you give us a blow by blow account of the race so we can holla you both on through the finish line
and shout abuse at the relevant moments. Glad you have lots of fishy company to hold for the pit stops.
fizz and *hobart just argh! Argh at the diffed, argh at the menkulling, I'm with you guys in the impatiently waiting for something, anything to happen que. Hopefully our ski lifts will come soon and we won't fall off or make a tit of ourselves on the ascent.
<Stomps snow boots>
<hands out hot chocs with marshmallows to all the insomniacs round here>
Meh fab that's a downer of a dream to wake up from.
Join us in the lift queue if you like. We're going places us, to the top of the rugged snow mountain of baybee making. There'll be big white dildos and everyfink. Dunno when but we'll be ready.
<shuffles skis in ungainly way to make room>
NORFY! <throws self at ski-boot-clad ankles> Veh nice to see you. What news haz you?
Lovely metaphor, cherry. Especially looking forward to the big white dildos part, oh yes.
bugs yes I did and I was worried about popping too early, but all way well. The drugs make your hormones go a bit crazy.
It's normal to be a bit memememe when cycling. It's a lot to put yourself through and we are all here to offer winter sports-related humour and fish slaps in support.
BTW, my bestie did one fresh round and two FETs. Her only BFN was from the fresh round. Her lovely daughter and IVFTWINZ are from the two frozen rounds. So don't worry if you do have to freeze them.
cherry I'm ok. Over the worst of the most awful cold I have had in my adult life. I can't remember the last time anything laid me up for the best part of a week. Preggo-wise, I spent yesterday buying fat girl clothes. My usual style is quite fitted (might as well make the most of all that gym time) but my waist has disappeared in favour of a big belly. I'm not complaining (well, I am a bit) but I wish you could skip the fat stage and go straight to the nice obvious bump stage!
fizz some people just have it so easy. I still marvel at this timeline. Bestie's bro and wife were not sure they wanted kids. They live abroad. Last Feb, bestie and her brood went to visit. Bro and wife enjoyed the family time so much they decided to give it a go. They had a baby in November. It just seems incredible to me that someone decides to start a family and 9 months later they have one.
noooooooooooooooooooooooooorf! Welcome back lovely. <pushes her into a snow drift from which she can't escape easily>
fab that sounds like a very realistic dream.
geek I'll have my skis crossed (like the skiing nobber I am) for your fertilisation call.
I agree with Cherry , we need the blow by blow accounts so we can cheer you on!
Geek - right now your baybee medal(s) are forming! Very very exciting! They are being well looked after in a lovely warm incubator (away from the snow! )
Bugs - trust in the experts! You've waited this long you can make it through the next few days!
One has fertilised. They are putting it back in tomorrow providing it survives the night.
Hurrah for fertilisation, geek. IOTO and you have a whole bunch of BESH cheering that embie on.
<proffers gluwein and a manly arm punch>
Hurrah for fertilisation. It'll be back home tomorrow. IOTO!
Thanks hags I'm off to do nonttc stuff for the rest of the day.
We are deff cheering on the tiny blob of cells! Home soon!
<tries to pull off a triple axle and face plants into the ice. ouch >
Yippee for fertilisation Geek. IOTO, and MiniJeffers (who is scrummy) is living, breathing, screaming proof that it really does. You don't want a brood, you only want 1.
Cherry hot chocolate and marshmallows sounds pretty amazing actually. <grabs one>
Euro I'm glad you've hung around here, I for one neeeeeeeed you at the moment. Embrace the less fitter clothes, it will all be worth it in the end. Promise.
MissH have you peed on anything? Forgive me if you have, I've been
a selfish cow a bit ore occupied to remember all the current status's of the BESH.
I am wearing a onesie with a dressing gown on top whilst snuggling up under a blanket with a cat on my lap. The weather is so so awful today and my ovaries are so so uncomfortable that I'm off no-where.
Yodelling hard for you Geek and swinging that cowbell like a mad thing. IOTO, come on little geekembie!
Can't beat a good metaphor fizz, I'm all over it like a wipeout down a bobsleigh track.
Glad you're coming out the other side euro, yay for fat bird clothes. I'm a fitted waist kinda girl too, though I have to admit to a couple of purchases recently that are a bit more forgiving. And I bought them hoping they would come in useful.
Bugs - poas last Wednesday, very strong negative! Dr's said my day 21 test was consistent with ovulation, that was last week so if WTF cycle behaves I'm either due on tomorrow
BFP or will be waiting a couple of days to POAS again, meh.
<rolls in, skis sliding in behind>
Alwight hags. Just delurking to hand out tins of sardines of success to all stabbers/clusters of cells etc
<Pokes MissHin kidneys>
Lets hope you timed the shag right. We need a few BFPs in this Fred as we didn't get any last fred (I don't think)
There wasn't much time to get any in the last fred! bugs no more words of wisdom but handholds for you.
geek hurrah, IOTO!
norf bloody marvellous to see you
bugs thanks for saying that. I wasn't sure if I was outstaying my welcome. The thing is, I still don't quite believe this is happening. I have told myself that if I get past the 12 week scan ok, I will force myself to accept it (but I will still be around to cheer you all on).
Last fred was filled so quickly there was hardly any time for BFPs!
The weather is vile here today. I think I will hibernate too. <wants onesie>
I know everyone loves a good "I heard of this woman..." Story, so this one's for you bugs! One of the BESH foremothers had OHSS when she won her MOGTWINZ! - she had to take it very easy in her hospital bed for a while, but all was good.
Thanks cherry <sidles bum onto ski lift and snuggles in for the journeee)
Euro - I'd be the same!
Kidney punching will do no good until Wednesday I'm afraid! Going to hold out that long, unless the droid finds me!
Best of luck for the embie, geek! IOTO and all that <rings cowbell in encouraging manner>
What is a triple axel anyway?
Euro you have been here so long, it would be weird without you, so pliz stay <demanding>
Bugs, take heart from the frostie stories. Let them see how it goes and look after yourself. From what I've read it's not something you want to be messing with.
Geek, I'll be cheering on GeekyEmbie all day. Crossing everything xxx
<bursts into emotional tears>
What is a triple axle anyway? - fuck knows!
Euro a onesie is something I wouldn't dare be seen in but now I have one my life is complete.
Donkey Stories about the ESH are always welcome.
Hest my moto is to do as I'm told, so if they decide to freeze them that's what we'll do. Yes I'll be gutted but I plan tomb booking a dirty weekend away in February and taking nothing but cheese and wine. Obviously if I'm diffed it will be no cheese, no wine and no sex probably so actually quite dull.
I am watching Sense and Sensibility. Huge Grant is bloody delicious.
A tomb booking sounds intriguing...
No stinky blue cheese anyway Hest and I'm not sure that I want to stay in a tomb, a nice log cabin yes but not a tomb.
<must remember to read posts before hitting send>
Stilton is on the NHS safe list, bugs, just so you know
Yes!! I didn't know that!
Whoop whoop for the embie Geek!
Love young Huge Bugs.
Euro- you're like the Queen of the BESH. You've been here since I first came on and always make supportive and informative comments. You HAVE to stay for a bit at least. <wraps arms around *Euro's legs> apart from anything else, your resilience and success is keeping me going ATM.
I CAN'T STAND IT!!
I have an achy womb, I'm about to burst into tears. Droid coming? Implantation? Aarrgh! Should I POAS?! (trick question I know the answer! ) Do I waste more money on the cbd or try and spot a line
I want a baybee
Rant over, going home to "wake" OH before his night shift, not really in the mood
Thanks Bugs for your scrummy comment re MiniJeff
I ate smelly cheese when I was diffed. After 20 weeks.
Donkey hello! Are you just here for the cheering? Or re BESHing??
MissH personally if it was me I would go for a cb digital, that way there is no line to compare to the
millions of other tests you'll do if u get a bfp. For me, it's not worth the menkul.
MissH I don't rate internet cheapies, or Tesco tests. The lines are too faint, I think they don't put much dye in them. CB digis with conception indicators are Satan's work because the dating isn't accurate (for me anyway) and leads to fear and terror that the diffment isn't progressing. FRER is the most sensitive, in my experience anyway. I haven't done a night shift in about a month. Poor MrH.
So are we all watching Ski Sunday? Ta da daah, ta da dah, ta da daaah...!
I am! I love watching skiing, I am not a good skier and am continually amazed by what they can do.
I'm bloody brilliant
Not really. I'm alright though. However I don't think my knee would handle what I used to make it do. And poor old Schumacher has unnerved me. I'm never skiing without a helmet again.
Oh I want to go NOOOOOOOOWWWWW!
My crush of shame is currently Bode.
I would like to be sitting outside the bar in Kimberley, British Columbia, with a pint of the local lager watching the much better skiers coming down the bottom of the slopes
Bode is Hot. But I wouldn't say no to many of the male skiers, they all have a lovely healthy look and thighs and buttocks that could crack walnuts. Bode might have a better season if he concentrates on skiing instead of pathetic squabbling over his kids name.
hest I bet you're a bloody good skier. You're much too hard on yourself! Fair enough about the creaky knee though. Ice skating is more my thing.
Ice skating? What, like PROPERLY? Cool!
Well he just came third, so he's doing alright. We saw his tour bus in Kitzbuhl once <very spurious claim to fame> And he's 36 so only two years younger than me, so you know, technically I have a chance
Actually MissH, Winks talks a lot of sense. I've always liked super drug tests too.
There is a new sleb programme starting soon on C4, a winter sports version of Splash. Amy Childs and the other no-ones like Tara TPT are on it. It actually looks good.
I'll sit on the volleyball playing wife and squash her, while you distract him
Ice skating - not super properly, like competition levels, but I started lessons as an adult and actually took to it really well and progressed through the levels fairly quickly and easily. But I changed jobs so couldn't make the lessons, and I haven't been skating in ages now. I miss it quite a lot, when I had loads of crap going on I found it was something I could completely lose myself in. Great exercise too.
I'll bet. It's one of those things you need to completely throw yourself into.
I went on a skiing holiday once. After 2 days I decided that skiing and other sports that include snow are for crazy bastards and pledged never to go again. I don't really do cold.
I like cold as long as it's dry. I'm not very good at hot.
Bugs the sleb programme starts on Channel 4 tonight at 8pm. It's called "The Jump"
I'm so sky plussing that. If watching those nobs get thrown down a bug jump doesn't make me feel better I don't know what will.
Another TV here that will be tuned to the Jump tonight. Strains of squealing celebs on the advert pulled me right in. I bloody love skiing, haven't been in years though as it's expensive and not really ROCH's thing.
I can't wait for summer. I want the next couple of months to be O.V.A.H.
Fed up of rain. FED UP FED UP FED UP FED UP <throws self to floor and flails with fists>
Drama over! Dtd woke up the Droid!
I am now back to the happy place I was in a week ago! I only went menkul cos the Dr told me I'd ovulated causing all the am I/aren't I stress! Before that I was just looking forward to the Droidal visit so that I knew the WTF cycle was over! I'm looking forward to loads of stuff over the next few months and will be quite happy to conceive in June after everyone else has had their baybees!
Now I'm just annoyed that the evil one will scupper shagging on our night away next friday! But now I'll enjoy the Brewery Tour!
hest I am sick to the back teeth of bloody shitting rain.
Noooo, I missed Ski Sunday doing pesky work. Dammit. I must remember The Jump later.
Skiers do look so terribly healthy. But the comedy goggle tans do put me off.
I have been skiing about 4 times, but only ever for a weekend. Which means I spend the first day remembering how it all works, the second day hurting like hell because I have used a load of muscles for the first time in a year and then feel like I'm getting the hang of it by the third day and then have to leave. So I've never progressed beyond getting down blues badly. I'd like to be good at it. Maybe one day. Ice skating would be ace.
missh I've always got a result with internet cheapies
brushes over episode of menkulling when the line wasn't getting any bloody darker
In the time it took me to post that, missh has had a shag and got a droid. She's far more efficient than I am.
I am with wink and hest on the bloody rain. Surely the sky must be all wrung out by now?
BASTARD FUCKING CUNTING CUNTING RAIN. CUNT.
Pahahaha @ Hest no necessary!
NB: I was worried about a PG anyways as I wouldn't have been able to have the day4/rmc/fertility tests this week. Plus it would have got OH out of providing a jizz sample and I feel he needs to have a bit of worry over all this ttc lark!
Bugs are you me? I went on one snow holiday. Tried to snowboard. I fell off the chair lift. I fell off my board. I spent more time on my arse than my feet. And it was cold.
Good attitude missH <arm thumps> it's the spirit. Let's drink gin and rock on the après ski. Hurrah! Brewery tour you say..?
I hear you on the rain Hest. All the fields here are under water, even the riding arena is saturated so nowhere to move without squelching. Paddocks look like the Somme, everything filthy with mud. Beasties all hanging around getting narky with each other and eating hay like it's going out of fashion. Ch-ching! It's a miserable time to keep horses.
Some bright clean snow on some sunny Alpine mountain is looking very preferable from the mire - dodgy goggle tans and all!
Everything just looks so dirty and damp. It's horrid. Some crisp Alpine air would be just the ticket. Those of you who can't ski can come and be the chalet maids <generous>
<gets out feather duster>
So, who watched The Jump? I don't want to say anything for fear of spoilers
Steve Redgrave, what a legend. That is all.
I didn't <hangs head> I was perving the Musketeers instead. Should I catch The Jump on 4OD?
I am lying in bed watching it. It's hilarious. Love Sir Steve tho.
I've recorded it to watch it when GP isn't here as he won't appreciate it.
I once had a filthydream about Steve R. I couldn't look at him on TV without blushing for a while.
The Misters comment on The Jump was "well, that was disappointingly injury free."
You mean none of them break their faces? Pay, it sounds shit now.
Just getting ready to do my trigger shot and head to bed. I hope it doesn't sting.
Oops... Hoping for screaming from Sinitta.
Have you triggered Bugs? Reward yourself with some chocolate.
It was very tame tonight, but the girlies doing skeleton bob tomorrow night looks like it could be crash-tastic. Plus there was a practise run wipe-out
Right, off to bed for me - last week at work coming up
Bugs you have been stabbing for weeks. It won't hurt
Trigger done. It was the easiest and least painful of all the stabs so far!!!!
Nighty night hags.
I knew you'd say that! Well done.
Morning all. Well despite worrying that I'd spend the night with my head down the loo throwing up I feel ok and got some decent ish sleep. Now all i've got to do is get through today without freaking out!
Hest when are u due for EC?
How is everyone else.....where are the rest of our newbies?
Glad to hear it Bugs, what do you have planned for today to keep yourself occupied?
I'm going to spend it with a friend I think. We'll probably watch a film or something at my house.
Well I'm out of bed and I don't feel sick, just very pissed!! Ha it's quite fun actually.
Does triggering make you sick? I don't remember with iui.
I have my "how are you getting on" scan tomorrow and then the one on Friday to decide on EC day. I'm hoping it will be Monday with the putting back in on Weds. How long are they in the dish? EC in Tues with transfer on Fri would be perfect - Husband won't have to have a day off work.
Starting to feel now like I have lead in my belly. Maybe I should have another poo <ponders>
No such thing as an overshare in BESHland...
Hello all, geek I have everything crossed for you!
It's the Cabergoline I've been given to prevent OHSS that is making me feel a bit tipsy. The side effect list is interesting reading. I just feel like I've had some codeiene.
Pished? What was in that trigger?
Also Hest they usually transfer 3 or 5 days after EC depending how many there are and how they're doing. The best place for the embie is back in your womble so if you have a low number ET will be soon after collection.
hest I had 2 day 2 transfers and 2 day 3 transfers with my 4 rounds.
<instructs eggs accordingly>
I never had enough embies to try to get to day 5, but still managed 2 chem pregs and 2 BFPs, so my embies might have been few in number but they were trying hard!
Layer Cake. Daniel Craig is so beautiful.
Nice bugs. I'm very jealous. I really could have done with another sofa day but I had to come in to get things ready for my work trip. I leave tomorrow.
BTW, a couple of weeks ago I went to a topical comedy thing above a pub. It was generally very good but one or two sketches were a bit close to the bone and one of them was called "Germans can't ski". They focussed on Merkel's tumble rather than Schumie's horrific accident but it all seemed in rather poor taste nonetheless. However, they introduced the sketch with "Germans can't Germans can't Germans can't can't ski, Germans can't Germans can't Germans can't can't ski" set to the Ski Sunday theme music and every time I see this thread title it pops into my head.
Now I'm watching Dirty Dancing and trying not to throw up. I've had a little snooze so feel less tired but still drunk. Having done some research it seems prescribing Cabergoline to prevent OHSS is a new thing but from all the threads I've read it seems it's successful if you can cope with the side effects whilst taking it. I'm expecting it to get worse before it gets better.
Anyone know any good box sets I can watch? I've seen 24, Breaking Bad and me and GP are currently watching Prison Break together. Is the Waking Dead any good?
Nausea seems like a reasonable reaction to Dirty Dancing, bugs. As for box sets, I've just started series five of Angel and am loving it If you have Netflix, they have all of Buffy on there...
Walking Dead is excellent bugs, but I have actual Zombie Fear so can't watch it on my own. I'm fond of The Wire, and Game Of
Boobs Thrones is very good.
The Walking Dead is excellent but perhaps a bit, um, gooey if you are feeling nauseous!
The Wire is also very good.
We are currently enjoying Hawaii 5-0 (the new one) as a bit of a guilty pleasure. Some of the storylines are ridiculous, but they don't require much brain power and the scenery is amazing. It's on Lovefilm I think, if you have that.
Draf Dirty Dancing is my all time favourite film. How very dare you.
I've heard Games of Thrones is good, is it easy to get into?
I love zombies and the walking dead is my all time fave. In fact I'm smarting at the fact I'll be in the middle of the bollocking North Sea during the airing of the next episode.
As for cabergoline (dostinex) - I am your go to drugs gal and I've taken it after the birth of my youngest to stop my milk coming in. No side effects whatsoever, in fact I was less weepy than the first time around. Tbh if you're stabbing I can't see how another shot is going to affect you one way or another anyway.
I just feel quite woozy and a bit sick Pone. All perfectly normal I'm told though but I'll be glad when it's out of my system next week and hopefully I'll be PUPO so can focus on that.
Game of Thrones is ace, though I love the books more - think you get more out of the TV show if you know more of the background and politics. Having said that, Peter Dinklage is perfect, he is exactly how Tyrion is in my head. Definitely worth watching.
Sorry about Dirty Dancing, but I watched it for the first (and only) time last year, and I'm afraid it's one of the worst films I've ever seen. Maybe you have to watch it as a teenager <shrug> The other night we watched my Christmas present from HOTB - if you haven't seen My Neighbour Totoro, you should! It's crackers and lovely
Don't worry Draf I known my film choice is unique. I also love Greece 2 which nearly everyone I know thinks is garbage.
Adding my voice to the Game Of Thrones vote. The books are better, but confusing at times with all the different characters. The series makes it easier to picture it. If you need light relief can you get/do you have the Big Bang Theory boxset? I'm watching Babylon 5
again at the moment so would heartily recommend that.
Sorry you're feeling so rough with the tablets bugs, hoping they do the trick for you. In answer to your
much earlier question, yes I got quite tender in the norkage department pre-trigger, and post-trigger my nips became incredibly sore (poss though this had more to do with me struggling to get my rings back in after EC).
My one little emby made it through the night. I am now PUPO with a 2 day 6 cell transfer.
Hurrah for the embie making it through the night. Well done!
Except...what does your last sentence mean?
Sorry hest I think the bladder pain must have gone to my head! I'm now pregnant until/unless proven otherwise (PUPO) and my emby was at the 6 cell stage, which is slightly ahead of the game, for a day 2 transfer.
Excellent news, geek! Everything crossed (what does PUPO mean, again?)
My favourite film is Jurassic Park, bugs, it's a brilliant brilliant film but not quite what most people would call "classic"...
Aha, thanks for solving the PUPO riddle!
Hurrah for EOB (embryo on board) Geek
Have you tried West Wing Bugs? Best tv show ever, with the possible exception of Buffy <gavel>
Brilliant Geek - fingers crossed.
Fantastic news Geek! Go Emby Go!
(My bestest friend was mainlining Babylon 5 boxsets during their second, and successful, IVF procedure. So I reckon its a lucky charm )
Congrats Geek that one is a fighter for sure.
A very non BESH Eek! - so exciting!
<sits Geek down in front of the fire wrapped in a giant crochet cock blanket with a hot chocolate and begins to hang new "Go Embie Go" themed Cunt bunting>
<gets frantically going on more bunting ready for the Bugs team>
Ooo, Babylon 5 reminds me - you can always watch Spaced as well! Brilliant programme, and my DVD menu includes the phrase "Babylon 5 is a big pile of shit", hence me being reminded...
Hooray geek that's great!
While everyone else was pondering the fertility lingo, I was puzzled by something else. Am I to believe that you are pierced in the nipple department? <peers over top of spectacles>
Well done on making it through EC, bugs. Do you know how many they got?
Do you think our newbies all got diffed and farked orf? Or are they wandering homeless in interweb limbo?
Hurrah for being PUPO geek.
Spaced is brilliant. I love the clubbing episode.
I'm a huge Dirty Dancing fan, but I think it's one of those films you have to have seen for the first time at the right age. Patrick Swayze's back in the losing virginity scene gave me a back thang that lasted for several years...
Oh and as for boxsets get yourself watching Spartacus First series is Blood & Sand It's fucking amazing! And your libido won't regret it one teeny tiny bit
Love Game of Thrones too, and don't worry, hardly anyone knows what's going on!
Also massively recommend Buffy - I've been through the box set 3 times from start to finish
On Netflix I'm working through Criminal Minds but they only go up to series 4. And loads of people are recommending Girls which if it's on Netflix I'll start after Criminal Minds.
Oh AND I love Law&Order: Special Victims Unit - though as the name suggests it's all about the department that deals with sexual violence so maybe not everyone's cup of gin
I do read a lot too
not just a telly addict
I am currently sat on the sofa, OH at work on nights, convincing myself that this packet of tobacco is my last (I've already thrown it away once at work today, and he thinks we've stopped, I AM stopping <Bangs head against wall>). Droid is in full force and I don't want to go out in the rain to feed the rabbits. Almost about to start a new crochet project which is for ME and not baybee related, I have to use up the yarn I have before buying any more and taking over the house!
Fizz EC is tomorrow. To say I am bricking it is probably an understatement although my rational brain knows it will be fine, it's all the waiting around and being stuck in traffic I can't handle.
<hides fizzy's spectacles> You, madam, are far too observant for your own good
yes I do
Dirty dancing is an amazing film but I agree that you do need to have seen it first at the right age. My mum had a picture of Patrick Swayze in the plates cupboard for years after that film.
oooh missH whatcha about to crochet?
bugs Good luck for tomorrow. Don't let your bladder get so full that you can't walk upright
like me and get yourself packed into a bathroom with instructions to 'let a bit out'
As I'm in on my own and not got off the laptop yet I've just turned over to "The Jump" in our honour!
Someone jumped 11 metres
Geek - Going to make a stripy sofa blanket!
I was greatly disappointed in Jump. All except 2 had previous skiing experience. I liked Gough though, his attitude is admirable.
Geek No liquids allowed after 8am so a full bladder isn't required until embryo transfer day which hopefully will be Friday or Monday.
Just watching Sinitta crying on the skeleton bob. Poor Sinitta
So this bloated tummy thing? Does it feel kind of hard and heavy? Like you're constipated? I've really started feeling it today. And I'm just knackered.
I have only seen last night's so far.
As your ovaries swell Hest everything will get more squashed so your tummy is bound to feel heavy. Keep eating fibre and drinking lots of water, at least 2 litres a day.
I've got tonight's The Jump recorded to watch tomorrow as I've been out this evening, so no spoilers please
I miss the BESH. Love the ski Sunday music and the nasty, nasty questionnaire. I really want to scatter baby dust, I promise I'll run into JoJoMamaTambien and shout CUNTS to balance things up.
Morris pliz tell us a but more. Are you a former BESH?
Oooops, sorry bugs. I think it was the drugs chat that made me think you'd been and gone and had EC already!
hest that sounds about right. The water and fibre advice is good!
Box sets: yes to Spaced. I also rewatched 24 quite recently and really enjoyed it! Tis a bit trashy but that's what you want, right? Also Homeland, esp series 1.
norfy wtf have you gone?
I'm fat. I have a fat stomach <glowers at fat>
I can't fit any tea in there <bursts into tears>
Slowly sledging in, sorry to be late to the party! Just fingers crossed and good luck for EC tomorrow, bugs!
I remember MauriceZapp from about 4 years ago. She is veh rude to the type of person who asks the Internet if they're pregnant. You would approve.
Congrats on being PUPO, geek!
Yes I am a BESH alumni! Had DS, had massive PND, total tits up situation but all very good now. DS is three and a half and utterly lush, but feck me that first year was tough.
I may have been a tad crabby with some two day past ovulation symptom spotters, I can't deny it. I'm properly old btw, was 39 when lush lad was born. I'm shut for business now so he'll be an only, but he's a sociable wee thing and I have nil concerns on that front.
I bought some appalling stripper shoes in Primark and was verily updiffed in short order. Made a bit of a mockery of my piss stick habit, but I don't question these things
Game of Thrones - tick, homeland - tick, SUV - tick, Criminal Minds - tick, Big Bang theory - tick - gosh we all like the same shit - crazy huh?
Good luck with EC tomorrow Bugs - the worse bit is the not knowing what you're going into. Unlike euro, who is one crazy hard bitch for doing it all awake, I luffs the sedation drucks
Just had a bit of a sob whilst putting my pjs on. I'm so fed up of being depressed and I can't face another 7 days of feeling so sick and dizzy. Its not meant to be like this.
No you're right - it really isn't
Well I'm up. Where are my drucks?
Good luck today Bugs I'll be thinking about you and hoping for a good harvest.
Hest if the bloating persists can you get yourself to a Holland and Barrett for some of these? I found them very useful, on NurseFaith's recommendation.
Good luck today, bugs. What time is it happening?
Good luck today bugs sorry about yesterday's confusion, you'd think I'd know what order things happen in by now! What time do you have to be there?
hest forgive my shit memory - where are you at with things? Even if you think you are the most constipated of constipated things, DO NOT overdose on laxatives. Seriously. I got a Percy the day after ET thanks to doing just that.
Well I'm en route and have managed to spill boiling hot down my crotch so it now looks like I've wet myself!!
Thank God there is a supermarket near the clinic so I can buy some more kickers and jogging bottoms!!
Good luck, bugs. Everything will be fine
Take it steady Bugs, are you ok? No burnt patches?
bloody hell bugs you do know waxing is more effective, don't you?
I am now the proud owner of new knickers and slightly chavvy looking jogging bottoms
No burnt bits thankfully.
Will be at the clinic in 15 mins then only 1hr 45 to wait till I get some drugs.
Well done geek and embro! bugs have you considered mad men? Or white collar on netflicks? White collar is quite cheesy but in a good way really easy to watch, sorry to hear about the medicine xxxx
missH stripy blanket sounds fab - I can't crochet to save my life. Went to a workshop and managed to make a christmas cracker, but I can't follow patterns and end up either losing half my stitches or doubling the number I am supposed to have!
Good luck today bugs thinking of you. X
Let us know what they get Bugs! I'm hoping for lots of lovely plump eggs!
Geek - That's how I started with crochet, it's reading the patterns that's so difficult but you get the hang of it! I use a lot of attic24 tutorials, really easy to follow with loads of pictures, nice and simple!
It's a great day for me, counselling followed by the dentist, then back to bed ready for nights! Woohoo!
The sedative was the best thing I've ever experienced in my life. I want to marry an anaesthetist and make him smuggle me drugs home.
14 eggs retrieved from 29 follies.
Well done bugs, that's a good haul! (I'm glad you didn't roast your bits.) Keeping fingers crossed for fertilisation.
Well done Bugs that's excellent! Time to rest up those follies and enjoy a chill out with your feet up. I prescribe a massive slice of cake as the best medicine for today (following sedation drucks that is!).
I feel like I've been kicked by a donkey so right now I want more painkillers, then I'll have cake
Excellent haul, you clever little chicken!
14 eggs from 29 follies? That's brilliant - eggcellent growing Bugger, nearly there. Glad the EC went ok. What was the form? Gown? Own clothes? Nekkid <still worrying> Did you spout shit as you came round?
Nurse today said five or more gives you a good shot at ivf. I have ten on one side, five of which looked like they were growing big enough and three on the other, all of which looked good. So, not quite in Bugs's league but ok for a woman of my age and eggy decrepitude. Womb lining looked good. She seemed pleased anyway. EC probably a week today. I asked about the twinz paranoia - she said ask the embryologist at the main clinic (the one I've been going to is just a satellite clinic)
Yay! Well done bugs, that's a great haul. Time for some paracetamol, rest and full-on pampering. I hope DH is around to provide 100% waiter service.
Quickie from a very delayed euro at the airport to say nice laying bugs, and good growing Hest!
I should be somewhere over central France by now. And where the fuck is my lunch? Breakfast was hours ago. <grumpy>
I've been given paracetamol in theatre apparently so have just been given codeine which I know will make me even more woozy so as soon as I'm home I'm off to bed.
Hest It's a gown without underwear on. At all times I've felt my dignity is still intact. When you get the to procedure room you get on a bed, I just closed my eyes and focused on my breathing and did as I was told. I don't remember being put to sleep, the nurse asked if I was ready for the good stuff and the next thing I know I'm back in my room waking up.
In terms of talking rubbish, I told GP that he had to get me some if whatever drug I was given and I also told him that I loved the anaesthatist a few times but apart from that I don't think I said much else. It's like when you've had waaaay too much to drink and can't remember anything but without the hangover.
A bed? Gosh. Is there a pillow and duvet?
Pillow and blanket. What were you expecting?
The staff have been so wonderful and kind, honestly you will be just fine. The worst bit is the waiting and the pain I have now but as soon as the drucks kick in that'll be fine too.
I have no idea what to expect, that's the problem. I just don't want to feel vulnerable. I have A Thing about medical stuff, which is why I didn't seek help sooner. I thought it might be a hard trolley. Before this whole thing started, hospital was not somewhere I'd spent time apart from an appendix scare when I was 20. Lucky me, I know.
It's a trolley but it's got a pillow and blanket and is very comfy. Just go with the flow and as soon as you can shut your eyes do so and pretend you are somewhere that makes you happy.
in bed with Bode Miller/Rhod Gilbert, either's fine
Fanks, Bugger. Look after yourself today. How's the foof?
The foof is ok, it's my womble that hurts and the sort of bone by my bum if that makes sense. It hurts to sit in certain positions.
Well done bugs.
Hester, noooo, not Bode! He'd fart, drop crumbs and beer on you and then to add insult to injury would tell you how "hot" his usual shags were... You know, compared to you like. He's a horror!
Well grown Hest and hope the drucks kick in soon Bugs.
Hest I think it's perfectly natural to be wary of medical procedures, but I figure fertility types are empathetic to the additional stresses and strains us barrens are under.
Not quite in the same league I know but the staff that looked after me when I had my Laporoscopy to check my tubes were also very good and sympathetic. The lastcthingvi remember is the anaesthetist saying "Don't worry we'll look after you." then hey presto I was waking up in the ward! I was a bit disappointed I didn't get to do the whole "count down from 10" thing though
hest all the anaesthetists I've had (and I've had a few) have had degrees in patient distraction techniques, then before you know it you are out like a light. As bugs says, it's a proper bed, sheets and pillow, the works, it's just that it happens to be on wheels. Of course, it really helps to feel comfortable with the nurses too, but you're fully covered right up until after you're knocked out, and fully covered when they wake you up. All will be fine, honestly.
Your coccyx, Bugs?
OK, maybe not Bode. Rhod is hawt though.
Thanks for reassurance, hags. I don't know where this fear has come from. Well, I do, but I won't share here!
Yes, that bit.
We were given GP's spuff results before we left. They were amazing. I've even started a fred about the vitamins he's been taking here
Excellent work, bugs Fingers crossed they fertilise and the resultant embies grow like troopers.
Well done on an amazing haul, bugs! Get yourself comfy now.
Hes, that is excellent growing! Sorry about the worry. I hope bugs has reassured you well. I have to say I found the lap way worse than EC. I actually found the first dildo cam and smear the worst of all procedures in the unexpected invasiveness and lack of dignity. Hadn't got used to stuff at that point...
Bugs I hope you get the call at a reasonable time. Don't feel bad about calling the clinic yourself if you haven't heard anything by mid-morning.
Morning hags, hope everyone is well?
I have had a good nights sleep and feel human again. My back aches though so im going to try and not sit on the sofa too much today and do some baking instead whilst waiting for 'The call' re fertilisation.
Can anyone remember what Euro said about what % i should be hoping for?
<wishes Euro was here>
Glad you got a good night's sleep, bugs. I seem to recall euro mentioning a fertilisation rate of something like 75%, which was a lot higher than we got (about 65%) so please don't be hung up on the numbers. You're doing well, it is out of your hands now and all we can do is hope and wait. And you need to recover
How are you this morning, hes? I was shitting myself re: EC, I now remember, but it was so much less scary and horrid than I imagined. I have also realised from your questions on here
and some elsewhere how much of the actual IVF I have already forgotten. It does fade with time.
How's PUPO geek? When is OTD? I am keeping stuff crossed for your embie. Remember, IOTO!
Are you psychic Driz? I've literally just got out the necessary ingredients to bake some simple buns for GP to take to work. Nothing fancy mind you.
<Realises she mentioned baking in first post>
Stop slapping yourself and of course I am psychic
the italic means it was said in a very creepy voice. Hope you kept some of the buns for yourself. Snacks and relaxation!
We've had the call, 13 have fertilised
Wowzers! Well done Bugs, and of course GP's super-spermz Do they grade them yet or is that in a few days time?
WOW bugs, that is an amazing score. Hurrah, now relax for a bit. When do you next get an update?
Tomorrow. They grade them tomorrow when they've started to divide into cells and they can see how they are compared to how they should be.
Come on Embies, do your thing.
Shitting hell Bugs that is awesome!! Remember though that it is unlikely that all 13 will do well (its a numbers game of decreasing effect!) but by the sounds of it you should get a good choice of what to put back and some frosties out of that batch - how fabulous!
I baked my St Clements shortbread yesterday to take to a friend's - we're going for dinner and as I have the time it's a more interesting gift than chocs. My god they are awesome
Arse. Over use of the word awesome. Fail.
Don't worry Fab I know that tomorrow the number will be less. I'll be happy with 2 good ones to put back and 1 or 2 frosties although I may be hoping for too much. Just got to keep busy today.
Wow bugs that's incredible! Go, embies, go! Nothing like a 92.85% fertilisation rate to get you off to a good start Now can you do some buns for me please? I'm a total liability in the kitchen.
hest how're you feeling today? Driz is spot on, it's amazing how the details fade once the cycle is over. The brain is a marvellous thing.
All is fine here, MrG is overly optimistic and I am more
realistic pessimistic. I've broached the subject of embryo donation with him, we'll need to see how our finances lie in a few months. I'm on day 1 of the great trigger testing out experiment, but just realised I don't have half the sticks in that I need to do a proper comparison so will be popping to the shops in a minute. Pee is stewing in a pot at the moment (that's A pot, not THE pot, I don't PIATP!)
OTD is a week on Friday, so nowhere near as long as some clinics make you wait. The only downside is MrG is off on an extended stag weekend at 5pm that night, won't be back til Sunday. I'm worried about him having to deal with a negative through that. Will need to start prepping him up a day or two before, I think. He knows I test every day from 6DPTrigger so shouldn't be too difficult.
Nice fertilising GP! 75% is considered ideal, so you have done really well. I've had 75% and 50% on the two rounds where I had more than one egg to work with (both 4 eggs).
Your EC experiences all sound better than mine. <pout> I might have freaked out less about being put under if I had been treated like that.
I am a total clutz. I went to breakfast with colleagues in nice snart dry cleaned dress. The first bite dripped onto my boob. FFS. I really shouldn't be allowed out in public. But on the plus side, there is sun here. Yes, actual sun. I had almost forgotten what that was like. <basks>
13!!!!!11!1!1! Imagine thirteentuplets. You'll be able to browse and choose your favourite at that rate?
My headache has finally gone. I cracked and had some proper painkillers after stabbing at 7.15 this morning. It will have killed my eggs, won't it?
I'm very nervous about numbers now after Bugs's gold medal winning efforts. I'm scared I won't get any and be a big fat failure. I realise I'm not really fat - I just feel like a big lazy blob who only moans and sleeps and stabs at the moment.
Ariel <uses Sunday name> this game is about quality and fuck all to do with quantity. All my 13 could be a shite grade. Look at Jeff, she had 1, 1 embryo transfered and now has a baybee. Stop torturing yourself otherwise I will stop posting on here if all you are going to do is beat yourself up.
Get a cup of tea and a few biscuits, you haven't killed your eggs you have simply given your body a helping hand to shift the headache.
No I really am sorry. This is your moment. I've had some tea and marmite on toast and feel a bit better. Don't you stop posting.
How's the baking going? Do you need testers?
This isn't my moment, we're all going through the mill at the moment so this fred is for us all.
I've made a really basic batch of chocolate buns that I'm going to out buttercream in later. Tasters would be great, see you in 7 hours when you arrive from down there
Hark at us out-meeking each other
Seven hours you say? Allowing for the traffic around Birmingham, make it nine. See you there!
Bugs you should enter Bake Off <impressed>. I'm making triple chocolate brownies tonight as my office are throwing me a goodbye tea party tomorrow. My brownies are ver good, even if I do say so myself
Hest don't stress about paracetamol, you're allowed it <stern>
There is no way on this earth I would ever enter that Frank. To me baking is fun and therapeutic, and shouldn't be stressful. Poor Ruby on last years show was almost main lining rescue remedy.
I've never made a chocolate brownie.
Fair point Bugs. The wife of a work contact made it through to the final 100 last year but didn't get selected. She had to do a screen test to see how she behaved in front if the camera
The brownies I do are very easy. It's an Anthony Worrell Thompson recipe, but I don't use the nuts. I'll dig out the recipe.
Frank, I've been virtually snacking on paractemol. They haven't been working though. The two I had this morning were Sainsbo's extra strength power relievers, containing paracetamol, asprin and caffeine. I was told no asprin but I couldn't stand it any longer. I figured people take small amounts of asprin in pregnancy
I want a brownie now. Yum.
Hest, I know it's totally un BESH but can I please give you a little squeeze? And a big fat cod of courage? All of this can be horrid to go through, it totally fucks with your hormones, emotions let alone physically. Drink as much water as you can as it will really help with the headaches and don't worry about the occasional naughty painkillers - that's more of a worry when you've for the embryo back in your tum tum.
If anything the aspirin may help and the caffeine will give you a perk.
Before EC Hest make sure you eat lots of fibre. I'm constipated to buggary and I feel like I have bad trapped wind.
Hest I took Imodium in early diffment as I had an explosive bottom. I only realised afterwards that you're not supposed to take it while up the duff and convinced myself I'd cause my baybee to grow 2 heads It's normal to worry, but don't cause yourself unnecessary stress.
Brownie recipe, but I leave out the pecans.
Why do you leave out the pecans Frank? I luffs pecans
Btw, droid is due today and I feel like pants and v queasy. This is not my normal droid prep symptom so have decided to menkul around potential surprise different instead why do we do it to ourselves??
Is there a chance you could be diffed Fab?
Thanks for the cod Fab. I shall bake it.
Well done Hest - get those creative savoury juices flowing
There's always a chance bugs - we were a bit rampant this month
Ha, that was supposed to be a blushing emoticon - bloody useless phone app
<gets out kidney poking stick>
I like pecans too, but I usually bake the brownies for the office and one colleague has a nut allergy.
<eyes up Fab's kidneys>
Bloody nut allergies really make things boring for the rest of us!!
Will ponder poas...depends on how much damage is done to kidneys first. Pee sticks always make me feel sad tho
Amazing fertilisation bugs, fingers crossed for the next few days.
hest you really haven't killed your eggs, honestly. Its ok to be a sleeping stabbing person at the moment, you're putting your body under massive strain, so rest and look after yourself. But marmite? Yeurgh. Baked cod sounds a lot better. <plans dinner>
fab interesting! I shall dig out my boxing gloves for your kidneys.
Chocolate buns and brownies, it's a good day to be working from home. You've inspired me and I shall bake too.
Hest please stop driving yourself round the bend. Bugs has amazing numbers, which is great
for her but has no impact whatsoever on your chances. I am keeping everything crossed for some fab embies for you. Remember, draf only had 2 good embies by ET, and she's very diffed, euro only had 1 slightly ropy embryo by ET, she's diffed and rapidly approaching the 12 week mark. I had loads of good looking embies, but my fresh round didn't work. So it's partially a numbers game, but that is just because you need a good enough embie to be transferred.
Also <stern> menkulling is allowed on here, as much as anyone likes, just don't make yourself more miz than necessary. Incidentally, hes, I do think I mainly hear evil DRing drucks talking. Btw I'd love a piece of the baked cod of comfort.
Now, fab, get your kidneys in view. I shall poke them hard and shower you in shrimps.
Btw egg killing is a challenge, I am sure a bit of aspirin is okay. The headaches are awful, I had bad ones on DRing and on menopur (sans DRing) so I am feeling loads of sympathy for you on that horrid combination.
My embies were all awful, driz, that's why they put two back. No-one, least of all us, expected either of them to do well. It's all witchcraft, I reckon.
Just watched the opening scenes of GOT. WTAF?!
Many boobs? I heard it's rife with boobs. It would give me an inferiority complex.
hest there are boobs of every imaginable shape and size. And arses. Lots and lots of arses. Some of them very yum indeed.
I'm trying to remember how GoT starts now. Beheadings and direwolves? Yeah, it's a bit gory every now and then...
Game of Boobs and Arses then?
I highly recommend Supernatural if you're looking for something to get into. There are 8 seasons available at the moment and I think the 9th is currently airing in the USA.
It can be a bit scary/gory at times, but I'm a total wuss and if I can handle it, anyone can!
Plus it has the rather lickable Jensen Ackles to perve over
I'm onto the 2nd episode of GOT and quite enjoying it (even if I'm quite confused with who's who)
Bugs GOT is immense! Some episodes we like to guess how many times they'll use the cunt word, others, how many times we'll see tits n arse but mainly we love it coz it's a rollicking good story and NO-ONE is safe. NO-ONE! Khal Drogo is my pet perve. Sigh.
Am aching from various kidney punches but I'm not going to test until tomorrow when at least it will be a day post droid date. It feels a bit previous to waste a stick before I'm late iykwim.
God I love those Extra Power pain relievers <fantasises> I used to live off them and cried actual tears when the consultant said not to take aspirin. They won't have nuked your eggs, hest. And while we are on the subject - no one is to feel bad about small numbers of eggs. I only got 5 fertilised and refuse to feel down about it.
Droid is here so I'm booked in now for FET. And my colleague and lovely friend who got diffed at the same clinic had her baybee yesterday, so I'm lookin on that as a good omen <fixes everyone with 'don't challenge my positivity' glare>
Wouldn't dare! Positivity is good. Go FizzyFrostie!
Go Bugs !
<hangs up the finished "Grow Embie Grow" Cunt bunting<
I'm on nights so a bit awol, went to get an enormous amount of bloods done this morning after a night shift and 1 1/2 hours sleep, nurse struggled to get any blood and I fainted for the first time in my whole life, ended up spending 20 minutes laid on the floor! OH had to come and collect me!
Booked back in for Friday (CD5) with instructions to eat breakfast and drink plenty of fluids beforehand!
MissH!! Hope you're feeling better now lovely. FYI I'm a terrible blood giver and after 2 ivf rounds and copious blood letting my strategy is to drink 1 litre or more of water beforehand and no weeing. It totally works
Thanks Fab - advice I will be heeding on Friday!
Bugs 13 is bloody brilliant!!
Hest better for you to take painkillers & be more relaxed because you don't have a headache than not taking tablets & stressed because your head hurts. That would be my logic anyway. Bugs speaks the truth about quality not quantity.
Thanks Jeff I just hope that they continue to do well. GP is convinced it's all down to his greatly improved spuff quality.
Good luck with the FET, fizz. I find that much, much better than full-blown IVF.
Keeping stuff crossed for the minibugs. Hope to hear good news on them soon.
When is your next sesh with the dildocam, hest?
Ouch, missH. Go to sleep and eat and drink more. Hope the next attempt at blood letting works out well!
Waves at the others! I am too knackered to stay awake to watch anything... But making notes for in my leave!
Dildocam tomorrow morning. Stabbing this morning stung like a bastard. No idea why!
Good luck today, hags who are Doing Stuff.
Busy day for the BESH!
Hoping for eggscellent news from the clinic Bugs
Good luck with FET Fizz
Hest reward yourself with some chocs
MissH, look after yourself <stern>
I'm at the hospital and thought I was up for a dildocam sesh but I'm not sadly just a prodding and poking from a consultant to monitor my OHSS. The nurse said I looked shocking when I arrived and put me into a side room to wait for him. They may take some blood and want me back tomorrow and Saturday too before they decide if transfer can go ahead. I just feel so uncomfortable, like I've been kicked in the stomach by an elephant. Its not my foof that hurts, or ovaries it's just above my belly button. It feels really bruised and I think it would feel better If I had a big poo
She said you looked shocking? Did you say "Go fuck yourself"?
Hest, that just made me guffaw!
Poor Bugs tum tho I'm exceptionally regular so if I go more than a day without pooing I start getting a little but scared. I've no idea what it must feel like to be properly constipated but imagine it would be awful. <sympathetic>
She's one of the nurses I know and have seen several times so I know she meant well. I've been told this feeling is normal as my ovaries will currently be 8 x their normal size
Going to have another lazy day whilst drinking my weight in water, squash, juice, mint tea etc.
Where is my fucking call???!???!!!?
Oh yeah I forgot we had a potential POAS Fred.....
missH hope you're feeling more yourself now. Good luck for tomorrow. It's hard to do the fluids and food so early in the morning, but do what you can.
bugs do you get another call today to provide an emby-update, or do you hear nothing now until day 3? I can't remember what my clinic did last time. Sorry about your poorly tum Take it easy, lots of fluids and salty snacks. Could the tablets be contributing to you looking so shocking (thanks, nurse!), or have they confirmed you have OHSS? I'm 7 days past trigger now and I'm only just starting to shed the retained fluid. Lost over a pound in it in the last 24 hours, according to my scales.
fab aren't you POAS today? <looks pointedly>
Bloody hell I started that post over 45 minutes ago. My potential for distraction today is huge I tell you, huge!
They haven't confirmed OHSS and apparently what I'm feeling is normal. The clinic should call today with an update and time and day for the ET. I'm hoping Its Saturday.
Wankerboss just rang to ask when I'm going back to work, despite having a sick note until the 17th and occupational health telling him I won't be back until the end of Feb. GP is furious with him. He really doesn't have any people skills at all.
Complain to your HR person Bugs. I thought he'd been told not to contact you?
Also if you're getting anxious why not call the clinic yourself? I think it was Euro whose clinic "forgot" to call her?
WankerBoss is a total arsehole bugs, I'm sure you said you have a designated spoc from OH that isn't him. I'm with GP on this one. Yes it was euro's clinic that "forgot", because its not like it matters much to anyone Hope you manage that big poo, at least. (I ended up in hospital after I had my gallbladder out, as ill as I've ever felt and in extreme pain. Turns out my digestive system had given up and I was horrifically constipated. Worst pain ever.)
fab any POAS news? No pressure...
I've rung the clinic and someone will call me back at some point today. I'm worrying that they've not called because they've all died
He has to contact me, it's part of the policy but his questions should be more about how I am, to tell me anything that's going on at work etc. He's going to call me next week so I'm going to tell him then that this is not ok.
I have just made a fruit salad to eat for lunch and will keep up the fluid intake. The Dr gave me some lactulose this morning but I don't want to take it until I know when ET is as I'm scared I'll suddenly get the urge on the m62!
WHERE IS MY CALL?????????
Call the clinic, bugs, it's better than driving yourself mental with the waiting. And your boss is a colossal dick - seriously, report him to HR for this. It's not an isolated incident, he's been told to back the fuck off, so you'd be entirely justified in lodging a formal complaint. I'd be surprised if he didn't get a disciplinary for his unprofessional behaviour. "People skills" don't come into it - he's been told explicitly "do not mention bugs medical treatment or harass her about returning to work" so he really doesn't have a leg to stand on.
They've called. We have:
2 x 2 cells grades 1&3
8 x 4 cells, 3 of which are grades 1-2, 2 grade 2 and 3 grade 3
1 x 6 cell grade 2
1 x 5 cell grade 2-3
1x3 cell grade 2-3
Transfer will be on Saturday afternoon and we're seriously thinking about asking for 2 putting back. Anyone with any knowledge about the risk of twin pregnancy please let me know.
Lots doing well there bugs, how are you feeling?
As I understand it, the riskier twin pregnancies are the ones where they share a placenta. That doesn't happen with non-identical twins, so not a factor with IVF twins. There is a greater chance of premature labour, and labour needing interventions- my friend's OMGIVFTWINZ were born at 33 weeks by C Section because one had stopped growing, they were 3lbs 4oz and 4lb 1oz, but were in hospital for under a fortnight and are perfectly healthy toddlers now. Of course putting two back doesn't mean twins necessarily. Good luck with your decisions and ET
<slaps bugs with lanternfish of luck and sneaks a hug in>
bugs that's a cracking haul you've got there, nice growing embies! You should get a good crop of blasts from that little lot, just perfect for freezing and popping back.
I can't advise on twin risks I'm afraid. I was so desperate (and had already had one perfect-looking day 3 not implant) that I was determined I was having two put back in regardless of day or quality. Oh life, how you mock!
Lots of numbers there Bugsy, and I'm afraid I don't understand it, but by the sounds of things, that's good!
Re twins, my SIL had OMGIVFTWINZ!!!111 and they were born four weeks prem, one of them at four pounds something and one at five pounds something. The little one (girl) was in an incubator for a few days, but they were allowed home after a week, and are now big chunky eight year olds who like football and tennis, and who are very good at reading and writing. SIL was 34 at the time.
She had a bit of a bitch of a pregnancy though, and was anaemic. But then she's a little skinny thing.
Hest by day 2 they would hope to see them between 2-5 cells and grade them 1-4, 1 being the best so basically we have 8 that are where they should be and within the top grade. This doesn't mean they will all make it to blast and be suitable for freezing but its good so far.
We've decided we will push for 2 putting back. If we only have 1 and it fails, I'll kick myself for not having 2 put back.
Just popping on quickly to cheer on our IVFers! Go follies/embies!
And how do they grade them? Do they ask them to speak French or something?
It depends how much fragmentation they have. All are viable embies just some are better than others. I wish I'd asked not to be told the grades etc as I've spent too much time googling today.
Step Away From Google <stern>
Don't worry I have. I've just had a nice relaxing bath and listened to Zita West. They say no baths in the 2ww so that was my last one for some time.
Inspired by you Hest I'm having marmite on toast for tea.
Also I'm so bloated I honestly look pregnant. I might do a twee photoshoot of myself in a black crop top with GP smugly touching my gut
I've emailed my union rep re wanker boss as I've just re read the occ health report and it clearly says I won't know the outcome of the IVF until mid Feb.....it's still Jan and he's asking me already ffs.
Haven't you had all the eggs taken out though?
Yes Hest but the follicles they've come out of fill up with liquid so are huge and painful hence the bloating.
Do you find out tomorrow when EC is?
I'm watching Come Dine With Me and one of the contestants is making me feel stabby.
Oh. I didn't know what. I thought it all disappeared straightaway
Sounds shit. Yes I find out tomorrow.
Come Dine With Me makes me stabby whoever is on it. I only have to hear that smartarse wanker's voice and I want to stab.
Sadly not. Its incredibly uncomfortable and quite painful but managed by paracetamols and lots and lots and lots of water.
Well done bugsembies. Keep on growing! I never got the grades for mine
as I made SB do the phone calls and he doesn't know to ask. But that sounds excellent. Fingers crossed for bloating to go down, it's the crazy number of follies doing this Hope you feel better soon! I have no strong views on the twin issue for others but it was one of my nightmares for me, I am so happy it's just the one. There are increased risks but you are well aware of them.
Massive good luck for your dildo-camming hest. Fingers crossed there has been good growth and a date can be set
Where is fab? I need to poke some kidneys
MrH just laughed incredulously at my fat belly .
Well you did say you needed to put a few pounds on
Call him and that and make him buy you some chocolate.
I've been trying to post on here since about 4pm but have been unable for some strange reason.
Bugs that's great news on the eggy front. Fingers crossed you get some excellent quality embies for ET.
Hest hoping scan shows good growth tomorrow.
And yes, where is Fab?!
I'm here and I still haven't tested (cue more frantic kidney punches). I woke up this morning with some spotting so couldn't be arsed to waste my one remaining test. I then got a migraine that had to be dealt with by paracetamol, codeine and ibuprofen (it's the only way to get near it) and sleep before racing off up to Yorkshire to see my mother. Bad timing. I popped my femcup thing in and then discovered this eve that I've only had a pathetically small old blood looking (tmi!) bleed so am slightly paranoid that if anything has happened I might have fried the poor little bugger with my overuse of drugs. Didn't bring a test with me and it's against my religion to test any time other than first wee so now I'll have to see what happens and test in sat! Joy.
Bugs I've had 3 out back in each time with ivf in the hope of OMGIVFTWINZ. Still hoping despite it being crazy arse madness!
<delivers rabbit punch to fab's kidney> sorry, I barely know you and all, it's just I've seen pyramids from your boat this morning.
Im very excited for all of you growers right now and im desperate for it to be a good month.
Bugs my sweet, stop answering the phone to the mongo - or, if you must answer then do so with "mr mainwaring, why are you calling? You've been told not to contact me until end feb". Strap on your bollocks and remember nobody gets a prize at the office for being nice. Failing that, divert his calls to me and I'll pretend to be your legal rep/millie tant.
For the mogtwinz ditherers, I once read on mn of a lady who had mogtwinz, 'cept she'd only ever had one viable emby - so viable indeed that it continued its divisions once back inside.
Snort at asking embies to speak French, I love the picture that gives me
Stalking and willing on the ivfers
Donkey & Frank - The occ health report says I won't be fit to return to work until the end of Feb but it doesn't say he can't contact me. AFAIK he has to phone me weekly to stay in line with policy but i've just sent him an email asking him to call on a certain date and time and that him continually asking when i'm returning to work is making me feel uncomfortable. I've cc'd in my Union Steward. If this nob-headness continues when i return to work I'm going to take a grievance out against him. He needs to smell the coffee and learn how to deal with people.
I think my post EC bloat is reducing slightly. I used my first bum bullet last night so have wind today
Well done Bugs, the email sounds perfect.
Good luck to everyone, I'll be checking in for regular updates [grin2
<leaves plate of brownies & cake left over from yesterday's tea party>
I'm sorry he's hassling you bugs. He just doesn't get it, does he?
How are you doing hest?
fab interesting, interesting...
I'm just mooching round the hotel for a bit before heading back. I don't want to leave. It has been so lovely to see the sun for a few days. I had a stroll along the Med shoreline outside the hotel this morning. I'm hoping security don't confiscate my bum bullets - I'll need to take one on the plane.
<takes enormous munch out of Frank's cake and nods appreciatively>
Euro your work break overseas sounds lovely - feel free to dip a toe in for the rest of us
Bugs good for you - don't let the nobber get you down! He sounds like he's being a right arse
Geek, good luck today!!
That email sounds spot on bugs. I'm sorry he's still hassling you about your return to work date. I also thought you'd said someone else was being nominated as your support person, but twas quite a while back so I probably misread. Yay for your bloating reducing, and double yay for your bum bullets starting - oh the glamour! Do you get another call from the embryologist or are they leaving them in peace until day 5 now?
<pokes MrHest in the eye> Any news on when EC will be yet hest?
On the twins thing, I've heard that blastos are famous for splitting further once put back, but can happen with any emby I suppose, hence triplets still being relatively common with IVF even though most people can only have a max of two embies put back.
fab arf@against your religion to not use FMU. You've only taken one dose, by the sounds of it, there's no way that will have fried your emby. I think frequent and repeated use thins the womble lining or something, but one dose will be fine, honestly.
I used to love Come Dine With Me, there was always someone on there who reminded me of someone I know! The very best green thai curry I have ever tasted was made following a recipe that appeared on there, too.
<snaffles brownies to have with my breakfast of custard creams and coffee>
Went out for a meal to celebrate our anniversary last night. MrG said 'oh, you look really pretty' in a half-surprised, half-shocked tone. Grrr. I had a small glass of red wine, then felt guilty, then panicked in case this means I'm not as convinced of this cycle's failure as I thought. Trigger is testing out nicely. Lots of sharp stabby pains in my ovaries today. Had massive period cramps yesterday and the day before, must be delayed reaction to ET. Also, lost a further 1lb, so just 2lb above my pre-stims weight again now.
Fuck it. Full blown droid is here anyone else have the femmecup things? They provide you with way too much opportunity to look at what's been going on! I can say that it is very clotty so I guess something tried to happen but failed which is a very small positive I spose. Still, we're out for dinner this eve so guess who's going to opt for a large glass of something hideously alcofrolic tonight??
So sorry to hear that Fab . It's generally an extra awful droid after you get your hopes up. Have this dear little thing to cuddle. And this.
Growing is ok. I have a beautiful womble lining, the best she had seen all day <preens> Follies doing ok too.
She will phone at 4-ish to let me know which day EC is. Probably Tuesday. It will be (some shouting coming up) AT EIGHT O CLOCK AT A CLINIC TWO HOURS AWAY <weeps with despair> I am not good at early starts. Yes I know, I want a baby etc etc, comes with the territory etc etc.
Bollocks fab. Truly shit. I offer up the blue dragon sea slug of sympathy to keep you company. Get seriously pished tonight.
hest I feel your pain. I had to arrive by 6.30am and my clinic is over an hour away.
I used to examine my femmcup contents, but since the D&C I just use washable pads. Still fully examinable for when the mood takes me
Sorry for the droid Fab. At least you can drink copious amount of booze now <silver lining>
Nice lining Hest, don't envy the 6am start although we got up at 6.20am and left home at 7am for a 10.30 collection!!
The clinic has called, transfer is at pm tomorrow. All embies still alive and dividing and 8 are still in the top grade and where they should be cell wise. 4 are not doing well and 1 is in the middle.
They advised again to have only 1 transfered but I know I'll regret it if I do and it doesn't work. Also if by Sunday there are none to freeze I'll regret it but I really don't want another miscarriage. Its so hard to know what is the right thing to do.
Do they offer you a choice? It is so very hard isn't it?
I guess on the plus side, you are young and strong and the chances are, carrying them you would be ok. However it doesn't always work like that of course.
Thinking about the practicalities, how do you think you would cope with twins? Or even triplets?
If 8 are still top grade the chances are there will be some available for freezing.
But yes, a very tough decision.
When I said "Do they offer you a choice", is it the case that some clinics will only put one back in?
Strictly speaking the only put 1 back but under HFEA rules we're entitled to 2 and they can't refuse, only advise.
Finacially and mentally we'd cope with twins and then out family would be complete and we could finally move on.
If we freeze some and get twins we may have 1 out back in a few years and donate the rest.
Do you have family nearby to help out?
I don't have any. That's one of the things which alarms me.
Sort of. We have a good circle of friends are our parents and siblings are 25 miles away, which is close enough for us
My mum isn't really maternal and GP's mum has MS but my brother, Aunty and cousins would all help out I reckon.
If my parents want to come and see us they have to stay <shudder>
Glad to hear the embies are progressing nicely Bugs, only you can make the decision as to whether you want one or two put back so don't let anyone push you into something you're not happy with.
Sorry about droid Fab, have another brownie and something with a high % proof to numb the cramps.
<tilts head to admires Hesty's lining>
Nice womble, hest and well done on growing! The early start sounds awful. My lap&dye was the first of the day, at 8am, and they expected me at 6:30. That was quite traumatic as well. And then they weighed me...
Hurrah for strong embies, bugs! Do what you want, btw the ohss on our other fred did get diffed with two...
A single glass of wine won't make a difference, Geek! How long til testing?
Sorry about the driodal invasion, fab. Have a large one and don't spend too much time on the cup contents...
<nods> yes Geek one glass won't do any harm. No more than one at a time though.
Driz the OHSS symptoms are reducing thank God but today I feel ropey which I think is down to severe constipation and the cabergoline. I just feel wiped out. I only have 3 more to take so hopefully I'll start to feel more myself from Tuesday onward.
bugs well done embies! You don't have to make the decision until you get there, you can change your mind at any point up to when the embryologist preps the embies for transfer I believe. If you think you might have regrets otherwise, two might be the way to go. Sounds like you'll get a nice handful of frosties anyway, whether you put one or two back.
hest mine too <looks for the emergency exit> My mum is fab but by dad is a small-doses-only person.
driz OTD is a week today, but I started testing the trigger out two days ago and will probably keep testing each day now. I need shares in FRER.
bugs who could drink more than one at a time anyway? Having said that, I also had a tonic water on the go at the same time. With a slice of lemon in it. <living it large>
Had the call from the clinic.
EC is on Monday. They were told we were coming from a long way away and have put us at midday. Isn't that nice of them?
Good service from the clinic, in my experience they're usually pretty good about accommodating your needs.
That's really good Hest it means you can get up at a reasonable hour and not rush to get there. You should be home for early evening. I recommend you get a take away for your tea on Monday as you won't feel like cooking.
I'm off back to bed for a bit as I feel rather shit. If anyone finds the energetic, happy, well me, please send her this way
<pelts Bugs with coke and speed>
Trying to decide whether to call my mother. She's not called me since Christmas. She knows it's ivf at the moment - no calls, no card, no flowers (sister sent some lovely ones the other day), no text FFS. No idea what I've done/not done this time.
Hest if it was me I'd suggest you wait until after embryo transfer when your physically and mentally able to deal with any shit she may give you. The next few days you are likely to feel tired and sore and you need to focus on recovering.
I've had a sleep and still feel rather shit. After ET I'm coming home and starting on the lactulose the hospital gave me as all natural attempts to get things moving have failed and I'm pretty sure the bungedupness is adding to the reason I feel so off it.
<wraps self in soothing seaweed>
hest Yay for getting EC booked in! I'm sure the lack of contact it nothing you have or haven't done. I second waiting. If phoning her isn't likely to result in a supportive conversation, there's no point in doing so.
<hands bugs the prune of passing> I hope the lactulose does the trick for you. That clogged up feeling is the pits. The senokot tablets worked well for me last time, but did need a good 12-24 hours to take effect.
I have just realised that I didn't take my bum bullet this morning. I'd dreamed that I did, so didn't bother when I woke up later. Just found it when I went up to grab my kindle. Will a single missed dose matter much? I'm assuming the zoladex will be preventing me from producing my own progesterone.
fab so sorry about the droid <kicks droid in shins>
hest good stuff. Glad your clinic are treating you wiv respec'. I second the idea of keeping family shiz at arms length as much as possible until this phase is over.
bugs sorry about WankerBoss and the constipation, but wow that's a really good number of quality embies.
geek much respect to you for doing the trigger testing. I think I will be firmly in the head-in-the-sand camp.
I had a call with the embryologist today. I need to decide how many to put back, and then how many to defrost. Defrost 3 (the minimum) and risk none making it to day 3 and abandoning the cycle, or defrost all 5 and (opposite extreme) risk several making it to day 3/5 and then having to discard them (they won't re freeze, contrary to what the consultant told me). And do I have 2 put back because it increases the chances of 1 working, or put 1 back and reduce the chance of complications. [confused ] Too many variables at the moment. I feel like putting all the different permutations on slips of paper and pulling them out of a hat!
Fizz that's an awful lot of decisions to make. I've started a Fred in chat about twins as we have to make the 1 or 2 decision tomorrow. Good luck making the decision. Could you defrost 3 and keep the other 2 frozen as a back up?
I've spoken to a luffly nurse at the clinic and she's advised to start to lactulose tonight and its only going to get worse due to the bum bullets. She assured me it won't have any sudden effects so if I poo myself en route to ET tomorrow I'll never forgive her
So many tricky decisions going on round here, the clanging sound of menkulling hags is nearly deafening.
<pours soothing piles of cockles about in liberal fashion>
Just rushing in to catchup and congratulate bugs on a stunning egg crop! admire hest's lining and wish good luck for Mon. Geek yay for PUPO, come on the embie. Fizz argh on the decisions! commiserations on getting got by the droid Fab... Euro your trip sounds like heaven right now.
I'm on a whistle stop visit to famile. My ill sis is fading away before my eyes. All just heartbreaking. Can't stay long but hang in there all, thinking of you even if I can't leap in and post too much.
Cherry I'm so sorry. Sending you strength x
Oh cherry I'm thinking of you and your sis. ((((Sneaky hugs))))
bugs can you link to your thread? (If you've had any useful responses.) I can't find it.
Lots of hugs and supportive thoughts for you Cherry
Cherry I'm sending my love and prayers. You are an amazing woman and so is your sister.
Fizz I'm on my phone so can't. Hest commented on it too, can u link for me?
Thinking of you and sister, cherry! Big unashamed hug from me.
Oh God Cherry, I'm so so sorry, lovely.
There's nothing to say except we're here for you
Fizz I'm not sure if this will work but I'm trying to link the twins Fred......
[[ http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/1983771-Any-parents-of-twins here]]
Hmm link fail.
Fanks bugs. Makes for interesting reading!
cherry I'm so sorry. Huge hugs from me too.
bugs good luck for tomorrow, I'll be thinking about you, and willing on the embys (and the lactulose!)
fizz that's a lot to think about! Hope you're getting proper support from the clinic.
fab sorry droid came, rubbish of it to tease. I'm quite a fan of checking mooncup contents though it was a bit frightening first droid after erpc...
hest glad the clinic moved your appointment. If you haven't already called your mum I agree with the others,maybe leave it for now. If you have I hope it went well.
Cherry- thinking of you and hoping you are alright under the circumstances.
Sorry - having caught up on the thread but couldn't read and run.
Thanks for all the support hags - had a lovely time drinking too much wine and now am awake with a hangover. Worth it tho
Cherry, words fail me. Thinking of you and giving you an unBESH hair stroke.
<Hands Fab paracetamols and water>
Well in a few hours I should be PUPO. I'm more anxious today then I was for EC. It doesn't help that I still feel ill. I'm going to ask the hospital if I can stop taking the cabergoline today. I've only 2 left but waking up every day feeling like I've been on the piss all night is no longer funny.
Thanks for the support hags. You know, the thing that gets me most is how strong my sis is still in spirit, yet how weak and thin her body is. I mean it's painful to witness. Cancer is so fucking cruel that it can do that to someone. For a little while she'll be back in the room like her old self and she can still get awesome words in scrabble. I just wonder how long she can go on fighting.
Good luck today bugs I'll be thinking of you <Proffers cod of comfort>
Good luck today Bugs, I hope you've made a decision you are happy with on the number of embies.
Cherry we're all thinking if you and your family (((hugs)))
Oh, coco It's so unbelievably awful. Love to you and yours.
Good luck, bugs. After today it's all peaceful and only waiting to do.
Good luck Bugs - transfer is an exciting day
Good luck today Bugs
And Cherry hope you're ok this morning x
Good luck Bugs. Rooting for you.
Cherry. Having been through similar, I know there really aren't words. X
Bollox, fab. I too find the examination of mooncup contents oddly engaging.
hest I was told I had a beautiful endometrium when cycling. I preened. Well as much as one can preen with a dildocam up one's foof. I'm glad your clinic has been accommodating. My clinic did that too as there were only 2 of us on my EC day and the other couple was coming from out of London. Unfortunately, that meant a daftly early start for me!
I agree with the others about waiting to call your mum. From what you have said, she is unlikely to say anything helpful and EC and ET time is the most stressful bit of IVF.
bugs it sounds like the crazy drugs have done their job. Good luck for transfer! In a few hours, you will be PUPO.
cherry that's so sad. <hugs> I'm thinking of you all.
The work trip was lovely. I want to go back to Israel and see all the historic stuff. It's only really marketed here as a beach destination (Eilat) and as an atheist, I'd never thought I would be interested in seeing Jerusalem, but being there I have realised that the whole country is full of "cool old stuff", which we both love poking around, so I reckon we will end up going back as tourists at some point. I had a quick walk through Jaffe and that was amazing. I really wish I had had more time there.
The flight back though was awful. My preggo bloating seems to maximise in the evening, and flying sometimes has that effect on me too, meaning that I was blown up like a balloon and hugely uncomfortable on the plane. The airport security was crazy too - every bag searched by hand, several short interviews (they profile every passenger), everything swabbed for explosives. It's strange to be in a country so hated by all its neighbours that it has to go to those extremes. I am glad to be home (and gradually deflating).
Trip sounds amazing, Euro I'm longing for some sun!
Bloating sounds awful though. Were you dying to fart on the plane? That's agony!
Talking of scannage, it was funny yesterday. The nurse and MrH were talking earnestly about floods and dredging and the Somerset Levels and what a scandal the Environment Agency is....while she was brandishing a dildocam and inserting it up my foof. Really surreal
hest yes! And then I had an hour's cab ride home. And then got in to find a friend had popped by! I was desperate for a good guff!
Welcome back Euro. Glad you were able to have a good fart in the comfort of your own home. I bet it felt awesome
Have you found your bloating any worse since starting the bum bullets? I'm unbelievably bunged up and thinking that I should shove em up my foof to give my poor old poo pipes a break. Any thoughts?
We'll I've out make up on for the first time this week and done my hair so at least I look ok from the outside.
I'm going to bake again this afternoon to keep on my feet and to keep me busy. I'm thinking blueberry buns. Nice and simple. I might do a Vic sponge though since the last one I made was so tasty.
cherry I am so, so sorry.
euro glad your work trip went well, sounds like you might have had sliiiightly better weather than has been happening here in blighty! How did you manage not to fart?
fizz that's an awful lot of decisions to have to make, and so many ifs and buts. I didn't know you couldn't refreeze thawed embryos, what an arse that the consultant led you to believe that initially. What day were they frozen on?
bugs hope the lactulose does the trick. You should be able to swap to the front with the bum bullets from tonight, my clinic advises to do that straight after ET though I'm sure different clinics advise different things. Good luck for later on today - what time are you booked in for?
hest it's so surreal sometimes isn't it?
Nothing to report here, insomnia seems to be hitting hard every night now. Trigger is still showing, but only on FRER, and only incredibly faintly. Am I right in thinking that the zoladex will keep the droid away until at least day 28? That is well beyond OTD because I had EC so early in the cycle. Or will stopping the progesterone bring it on?
bugs* I didn't notice any particular bloating from the bum bullets. They are the one hormonal drug that doesn't seem to affect me adversely! I didn't notice an increase in bloating in the 2ww on them (I say increase because my IBS causes some bloating anyway). It was only post-BFP that I found I blew up like a balloon most evenings.
geek I had to take a few loo breaks on the plane. And when our guest was here! My belly was literally tight like a drum. I have never seen it like it.
I'm not sure about the effects of zolodex. How many day past EC are you now?
Sounds quite painful euro. Glad you are home and can parp when you please now.
I'm 7 dp EC, 9dp Trigger, and 17 dp Zolodex.
The clinic are running behind. Typical.
Thank goodness I didn't drink anything en route as I now need a wee so think my bladder is full enough but not too full that it's painful.
Good luck bugs, hope the clinic aren't running too behind. How many did you decide to transfer?
We're hoping for 2 but the Dr is likely to try to talk us out of it due to my previous miscarriages. My argument will be that these were all at different stages and all before me and GP took our ttc health as seriously as we are now and that with the embies we have we know they're a good quality.
I think Its the norm for them to run late for ET's, they must do it intentionally knowing we're all nervous as hell and busting for a pee.
If you know you want two, don't be afraid to be firm - it's your decision, the clinic can only offer guidance. Do you know how many you have at a good stage today? Will there be frosties too?
I like the phrase poo pipes.
What happens if you HAVE to wee? I have a very weak bladder!
It's not the end if the world Hest I have a bladder the size of a pee and my consultant was over an hour late so I peed, then necked a few cups of water and was ready in an instant again
Along with the "not eating and drinking for over twelve hours from midnight Sunday" that's the bit I'm dreading most. I turn into a snarling, shaking , irrational weakling when I'm hungry!
Apart from the needle in the foof.
Oh and twinz....
In fact everything <breathes into paper bag>
One blasto and one almost blasto on board. The Dr was luffly and listened to my reasoning and didn't argue.
Apparently my ovary is so huge Its behind my womble making it stand upright
No wonder I'm so sore and bloated still!!!!!
Well done bugs, congrats on your PUPOness. Glad you didn't have to wait too long after all that, and the dr listened to you.
<passes hest Rescue Remedy>
I'm with you on the snarling shaking hunger. The tea and toast I got after the ERPC was probably the best thing I'd ever eaten.
Well done bugs! <waves pompoms for the BlastoLugs>
geek looks like its all progressing well. Keeping my fingers crossed.
I am bloating massively in the evenings now and wake up every morning with a painful stomach from wind. My morning fart is the most satisfying part of the day
Well done Bugs. Whatever happens now, you've done ivf. It's bloody hard.
GO EMBIES GO.
Well done Bugs, rooting all the way for your embies.
Thanks hags I genuinely couldn't have got through this without you. Its been the hardest mental and emotional thing I've ever done and I feel very blessed to have got this far.
BlasLugs 1&2 Will hopefully get nice and nestled and decide to stick around.
Hest you've done the hard bit getting this far, you have 2 steps left, EC and ET that's all. You will be fine.
I'm watching the rugby. Sssh!
Congratulations on PUPO bugsy!
I too lurve israel, but alas have only been for work. Lying on the beach at tel aviv (I'm a swimwear model bien sur), I couldn't work out why nobody was swimming - so I jumped in. Jellyfish innit.
Yay congrats Bugs! Time for some more cake again. I'm trying Pecan pie tomoz - shall I save you some? Give it a few days an you'll be ready for your next set of menkulling.
hest I found being nil by mouth tough too. I remember that on my way to the first EC, I was standing on a train in rush hour, feeling really quite unwell and miffed that a preggo had the nearest seat. I bet she felt better than I did on that morning!
I managed a mini wee when they were running really late with one of my ETs. They recommended counting to 5 and then closing the barriers! Tough but I managed it somehow.
Congrats on being PUPO bugs. The benefit of a day 5 transfer is that you don't have long to wait if you want to test early...
donk it wasn't quite warm enough for swimwear when I was there, but there were plenty of surfers in wetsuits out in the water. I was staying in Tel Aviv too.
wink I am a complete windbag at the moment, even without adding flying into the equation.
Well done bugs! How awesome to be PUPO.
I have been clothes shopping today and trying to tempt fate by buying nice fitted clothes that def won't stretch to being maternity wear.
Hest my ET wee strategy worked perfectly. Get EC out of the way and pm me for it. Basically they don't want your bladder full, they just don't want it empty.
Oh! Well, that's not too bad.
Hes if your clinic don't stipulate 'very full', follow bugs' strategy. My clinic wanted a really full bladder, I guess it must vary. I was told to drink at least two pints of water before coming, but worried it wouldn't be enough so drank a third on the way. Ended up holding 3 pints for almost three hours. I don't recommend it!
See, I couldn't manage that. I would actually wee myself. That would be awfully distressing. I will explain my concerns on Monday.
Just go with what you can hes, they can even do it on an almost empty one it's just not as easy apparently. It's certainly not worth causing yourself extra stress over.
FWIW it is actually possible to hold it for so long that it's almost impossible to go when you are allowed
Blimey geek! You must have a bladder of steel. There is no way I could manage that. I had a very full bladder for my first 3 ETs. By the 4th one I thought "stuff that" (mainly because they kept running late) so it was half full. And that seemed to be fine.
Well done Bugs. You've got through it. Now think calm & serene thoughts. PUPO.
Hest I had exactly the same fear about the bladder thing. So much so that after ET I got up straight away, pee'd and left the clinic ASAP. Then I was blubbing all the way home because I thought I would have pee'd the embryo out. Irrational?
Dear Jeff, they don't put embie up your pee pee.
I also didn't want to wee when I was told I should go have one.
Hest I have wee issues when I'm anxious and honestly today I was fine. they just need some fluid in your bladder so they can see your womble properly. I drank a pint slowly whilst I was getting ready to go, had a wee and didn't touch another drop until we arrived at the clinic and then had maybe a 1/3rd of a bottle of water. I needed to go but wasn't bursting.
I've been for my woo needles session and have my onesie on.
How many woo needles sessions have you had?
<snort>@putting the embie up your pee-pee
bugs please tell me you weren't wearing your onesie to your woo needle sesh?
I was so desperate to go after ET that I didn't wait to be told twice - in fact I told the nurse not to bother when she started wrapping the sheet around me to preserve my dignity, I just held my jumper down past my bum! I should add that the ET room is en suite, I did not go down a public corridor like that...
I've had them weekly whilst stabbing and then today on transfer and will have another on Tuesday. I went for a session in my onesie the other week.
I haven't had any. Shite, this is another thing to obsess about. I wonder if the man can fit me in the day before and after ET, like Jeffers advised. I would be the only one to have a Needles Man.
Arf at Geek sprinting into the en suite, bum out!
Hest LOADS of people get diffed via IVF without any accupuncture. Stop torturing yourself.
You are doing really well.
hest your lining is fabulous, your follies are coming on beautifully, the hormones haven't made you stab anyone in the face - you really are doing great. None of the IVF wins I know In Real Life went to a needles person. I would love to be nearby so I could give you a massive cuddle and tell you how well you're doing.
Popping in to cheer on bugs you are doing amazingly and i will be rooting for you and the embies over the coming week or two. Take it as easy as you can.
Good luck hest i am going to get the most mahoosive nipple tassles ever seen out if you get a win this time.
Thanks kat. Tis a menkul process all this.
Anyone else awake?
Adding my cheers Bugs. Everything crossed
We'll I've been up since before 8, emptied the dishwasher and made a batch of scones. Its a really nice day here so I'm going to potter in the garden later.
What is everyone else up to?
hest I didn't have needle woo for this last round as my lady was on holiday over EC and ET. I was planning to, but the dates just didn't work.
I really want cake but not sure I can stomach baking (any curdling would send me right over the edge). I wonder if I can persuade KFZK...
bugs how's the OHSS going? Have the weird pills done their job?
AFM, having been worried the past two days that the symptoms had disappeared, they returned with a vengeance last night. I spent most of the afternoon and evening trying not to hurl. And then woke up feeling pukey this evening. The only time I don't feel pukey is when I am actually eating. This is why pregnant women end up with huge arses.... Anyway, I'm very glad I didn't feel like this on the plane, and sort of relieved that the symptoms are back.
euro carbs are your friend. I think the reason why i escape sickness is my dreadful diet of white starchy food.
<passes Euro peppermint tea and warm scone>
Apart from feeling like i've got a small melon inside me i actually feel ok and think the pills have done what they were designed for. Of course if these embies implant the symptoms are likely to flare up again.
I just snapchatted a photo of the embies to my friend as she knows what going on and it made me quite emotional and hopeful. I am still totally amazed that I've got this far and survived. Womenz are amezzzzing.
AND my boobs are ever so slightly bigger from the foof bullets Bonus.
You are amazing Bugs, all the BESH are. I honestly think if blokes had yo go through what we've all had to put up with the population of this country would drop like a stone!
Lots of bread, pasta and potato for you Euro, best thing for nausea.
glad the anti-OHSS pills are working bugs you've done really well to stick with them, given how rough they've made you feel on top of everything else. Do remember though that just because you were deemed 'at risk' of OHSS, doesn't mean you are guaranteed to get it when those embies nestle in and start kicking out the hCG. Very jealous of you getting photos of your embies. Is that because they used an embryoscope, or do they take happy snaps of all their little embies?
euro on this occasion I'm going to say yay to the return of the sickness! Sorry it's making you feel so ropey, but at least you can take some reassurance from it.
hest I haven't had any needles sessions either. The money I'd set aside for it got given to MrG's estranged DD. But I will not
be bitter menkul about it. It was my own free choice.
Think I've seen the last of the trigger lines today, I can't even find it on there now it's dried.
Feeling really low and pissed off with the world today. Might be back to work blues, I'm in the office again from tomorrow. Shed my first tears of this cycle earlier this morning. Pretty darn good, compared to last time, when there were tears after every shitty scan telling me no follies were growing.
I'm not sure Geek but we get a video too from the scope. It hasn't arrived yet as they've not finished doing their thing.
Kat I did pretty well - no actual nausea, just food aversions until 9 weeks-ish. I am mainlining carbs at the moment. Salt and vinegar crisps are my current favourite food and I have a bowl next to me right now.
bugs I'm jealous of your pictures. My bestie who did IVF a few years ago got pics but I didn't, despite using the embryoscope.
I thought everyone got one. They brought them up on screen and GP asked if he could take a photo with his phone and she went and printed one out for us. It's like a proper photo on gloss paper and everything
and is currently stuck on my fridge door.
I have clearly been ttc too long as I could tell which was the blasto and which the almost blasto without being told!! <preens>
Sorry you're feeling shitty, geek. It's a rotten thing to have to go through. I am managing to be fairly up beat much of the time but sometimes it just hits you, doesn't it? <proffers the swordfish of solace>
hest I'm not having needles either. I found it completely unproductive last time I had it (for 3 months), not to mention expensive. I think it might well work for some, but not for others, and not for me.
I felt pukey today. 'twas just the conception vits on an empty stomach. Sigh.
MENKUL MENKUL MENKUL
I keeo getting a weird stabby pain in the area my left tube is.....I'm praying the embies aren't in the wrong place and going ectopic.
I need pelting with rotting sea creatures.
Now then Bugs, it's far too early for that kind of thing.
The possible ectopic not the menkul...
I know I'm being ridiculous. I need a proper nights sleep and to get off these head fuck crazy pills. Thankfully I only have 1 left to take.
I made a pecan pie today. Anyone fancy a slice?
Warmed up with cream??!? Yes please.
<pelts bugs with rotten sea creatures whilst wearing rubber gloves and a clothes peg> It's just your ovaries sorting themselves out after being stabbed stupid by the consultant. Honest. I've had this loads on both my right side and my left side, sometimes taking it in turns, sometimes just one side for a day then the other side takes over. Worst was just after EC, first thing in the morning I stretched and I honestly thought I'd twanged a tube, it was that stabby. It does get better. Promise.
<passes the swordfish of solace to bugs (thanks fizz)>
PS - fizz - vits on empty stomach - bad idea!
I wish I had an embryoscope pic. I don't even know if my clinic have one. Being NHS funded this cycle, my clinic haven't bothered to tell me about any of the available extras. I only found out about the embryoglue because I found a leaflet lying around! That's a point, I'm still waiting for the bill for that...
x-posted - yes please fab, haven't had that in yeeeeaaaars I tell you.
Geek if you haven't had the invoice yet I'd keep sctum. My clinic sent mine 1st class and checked we'd received them when we went for ET. They don't mess about if money is owed. My glue was Â£95 which I thought we'll worth it. The scope was Â£775 which I think ls reasonable for a piece of very new technology. Blastocyst culture was Â£355ish.
Im hoping the new pain is because my ovary has flipped back from behind my womb to where it should be. God knows what's going on inside me. I need to stop being hard on myself and expecting to 'bounce' back from this. Most women go back to work straight away and I feel a bit of a failure as I'm still unable to spend much time stood up.
I'm probably boring you all to tears being all me me me me me me so i'll pour a bucket of octopus over myself and shut up
(that's to the pecan pie offer)
As for feeling a failure, you have put your body through an awful lot. Why should it bounce back? You're not off work because of the ovary pain are you? Bugger other women.
Mmmm, pecan pie.
bugs I was one of "those women" but I didn't have OHSS. Stop being so hard on yourself.
I had lots of weird twinges. It's to be expected - everything in there has been swollen with drugs, stuck with a needle or rearranged with a speculum! I've just looked back and the first real notice I had that something was happening in there was cramps at 8-10dpo. They were quite strong - like bad period pains.
Warm with cream or lashings of custard. Takes yer pick.
Bugs - have a jolly good roll in that octopus and then sit down for a rest pliz. You've had a procedure, you've got hormones driving your head and body potty, your ovaries have been violated and your womble molested. Time to give yourself and break and eat my goddamn pie!
bugs exactly what the others have said. I didn't have OHSS this time, and I didn't have a bunch of thrombosed Percies having an interstellar party around Uranus this time either, but I still had the week off work and I'm very glad I did. Please don't begrudge yourself a little time off.
Cheers for the costs. My clinic can take up to a fortnight to send out their invoices so I'm not out of the woods yet. It's easy to pay though - just log on, enter the the invoice ref no and make your credit card squeal like a piiiiig! I was quoted around £50 for my embyglue but then I only had one emby to worry about. I guess maybe you pay per emby? The embycam costs sound very reasonable. I really need to get hold of a pricelist breakdown for my clinic so I can consider my next step, financially.
Warm with cream please fab.
<adds squirty cream to the shopping list, for eating directly from the nozzle while watching Twilight next Saturday>
What is embryoglue? Should I ask for some?
Starting to brick it. Hold my hand! <proffers hand>
hest embryoglue - it doesn't exactly stick them into place, but contains a chemical that is important in promoting implantation.
hest I'll hold your hand! Tis natural to be anxious but this time tomorrow you'll be through it.
bugs have this slap with a squid. Rest, water and giving yourself an easy time are what's needed.
If you have a spare hundred quid I'd say go for it Hest. We will all be here tomorrow to hold hands, toes, fingers and give hugs. Honestly it's fine. The drugs are wicked. The waiting to go in are is the worst bit so if you're ok at sitting around waiting you'll be fine. Don't be afraid to ask for painkillers and on Tuesday take paracetamol every 4 hours if you need it. I did.
Oh and embryo glue isn't proven enough for NHS funding - my clinic offer it as a paid extra. You need to tell them before EC so that they put the eggs in the right solution iirc.
I'm NHS. I don't know if you can top up. I'll ask.
<holda hes's hand> sorry, mine's a bit sticky
MrH is wondering whether it's in the glue aisle at B&Q for cheaper. Such a bloody skinflint.
<clutches Hest's big toe>
We're all here for you.
Most clinics have extra stuff you can pay for. Ask them tomorrow Hest but don't stress if they don't offer it
What is everyone else up to this week? I have zero plans apart from a needles session and seeing a plumber about a radiator.
Licks fingers sticky from cake and proffers hand holding for Hest.
Work, work, work this week, with a bit of meeting up with friends one evening. And then scan on Fri to check progress of lining and maybe start defrosting! Also lots of see sechsing as I have read it is good for blood flow to the uterus
Umm, not sure what see sechsing is, but that's not what I have planned.
Oh God, I just murdered the fred
Guffaws quietly into duvet at Hest's helpful wanking comment
Good luck today Hest, we'll all be with you in spirit, waving our metaphorical pom poms
Good luck Hest, holding on to a toe in support - I'm sure it will all go swimmingly <cunning reference to Mr Hest's fellas>. Enjoy the drucks!
My mother has upset me so much. I can't believe it. I want to cut all contact. She's appalling
Oh Hest sweetie what has she said? Please don't let her get to you (((hugs)))
Hest today you need to he calm my dear. Please don't let her get to you. I cut all contact with my Dad a few years ago and its the best thing I ever did. I told him I didn't like who he was. Simple.
<offers hand and hug>
Like Bugs says, perhaps going no contact would be the best thing for you. There is no law that says we have to like our family, there is no point in keeping toxic people in your life: they will only poison you. Have you thought about posting over in the Stately Homes thread in Relationships? They may be able to offer you advice on how best to deal with things.
For now, forget her. Focus on yourself and the next few weeks.
<shuffles in wearing cheerleading onesie>
Go BESH! I've been lurking and wanted to add some BESH support in particular to BugsieMalone and ShesterHaw.
<Flings in pink candy shrimps and legs it>
BARBIE bloody hell, long time no gin. How are you and BabyBarbie??
The clinic just called. Abother 3 made it to blasto so have gone in the freezer next to the Ben and Jerry's and dough balls
Just a late Good Luck to hest for EC. You can do it. And re; extras, we had no glue, no scratch, no needles. We did have the scope as part of a trial, though. It can work in a no frills funded round. As to your mum, wiser BESH have said it, you need to focus on you now!
YAY for being PUPO en for the frosties bugs. And stop beating yourself up about being at home. It's for anxiety and your body has been through loads as well. So relax and eat more pie. Btw I had pully sensations next to the old womble all through waiting weeks and in first trimester, but Lembie is definitely in the right place. I think it was the gut rearrangement and the shrinking of the Enormous Ovaries...
Ta for the pecan-pie fab.
Thinking of you all, not long til OTD, geek. Hope the scannage went well this morning euro and that you get great results from the harmony tests. Thinking of you and family, cherry.
After the copious amounts of fish slaps and a full nights kip I feel really hopeful and happy. Its like a grey veil has lifted that I didn't really recognise was there. I am listening to Legends by Bob Marley whilst ironing though so that may help.
We are great thanks BugsBunny. Mucho Babydust to you all <legs it>.
<Pelts jelly fish towards the exit>
bugs I am glad you are feeling better. That is a great album.
hest I'm sorry your mum has upset you? What did she say? Is no contact an option?
Barbie you have quite possibly my favourite MN name there.
Well, my Harmony bloods have been drawn and scannage done. All was good. It's amazing how much has developed since it was a few cells in a lab 8 weeks ago. You could make out fingers and all sorts. It still doesn't feel real. If the Harmony test and big scan in 2 weeks are ok, I will force myself to start believing that this is happening.
Euro that's amazing news, I'm thrilled for you. It just goes to show that this shit works, not always first time (or 2nd or 3rd) but it works.
Hurrah Euro, that's great news
Oh and it was my first external scan! I had to restrain myself from whipping my knickers off.
Gutted. I joked with the nurses at my clinic that if I ever saw them in Asda I'd probably whip mine off pronto
Wowsers Euro, toes and everyfink? That shit seems real to me! So pleased for you
Hest, wot the others said about no contact - she sounds toxic. What happened? And how did EC go today? Come back and have a carp of comfort splayed around your shoulders.
<skulks in from absence>
Afternoon Hags! I've been lurking with not much to say so coming through with a small update, nothing near the news we've had this week!
Congrats to the PUPOs! So proud of you, you have done exceedingly well! Calm thoughts <mighty fish slaps for the menkuling> and warm fuzzy feelings going your ways (interspersed with more BESHlike arm poundings and back slaps etc)!
Everything in the Hobart Household is going forwards with much menkuling and tears inbetween
They managed to take 15 vials of blood last Friday for tests, got 2 texts today, 1 to say I need a fasting blood test (Menkul Alert: I obviously have Type 2 diabetes ) and another to say 1 test needs to be redone, so more blood letting to occur on the 14th. I will get full results from my GP on Wednesday morning so now anxious about that!
Saw my friends baybee for the first time (2 weeks old) yesterday which was brilliant, I did however burst into tears as soon as I got to hold her, both with happiness and heartbreak , cried all the way home. Thinking back to my first mc I "should" be 7 months gone now and ahead of the curve.
Been to my first Woo Needles session today, cried through most of that! We are concentrating on relaxation rather than ttc as that's what I feel I need, this may change. Then went for a massage, which should have been relaxing but she had really cold hands!
OH will book in for a SA after ovulation.
So am yet again in the waiting waiting waiting game, very boring
Back to work in the morning for the first of three days followed by yet more nights covering for the upduffed
bugs/euro I once read on a thread of a new mum who whipped her knickers off before climbing on to the chair. "Madam, this is the dentist and that is not required". Force of habit.
Well it's fair to say the 4 doses of Lactulose I've had since Saturday have finally taken effect
Sorry bugs, 'twas the smell. Take some air freshener with you next time please?
Glad your blockage has... erm... shifted
Yep. But I'm not sure I dare fart for a while. It was rather explosive.
We are very <chatty> tonight!
Has anyone heard from hest? I'm a bit worried by the radio silence.
No I keep looking at the Fred in expectation of news from Hest...wish she'd check in...
No. I'm also getting worried but hope its due to the journey time from clinic home and lack of signal or something similar.
Thanks for the fart update, bugs!
Popped in for hest too. Hope it's all ok!
Hello my lovely hags. I'm so sorry, I didn't want to worry you.
I'm ok but have had a pretty awful day. Had a very upsetting text from my mother last night, so slept very poorly. Was worrying about everything, not least the weather. The storm got worse and worse and the drive to the hospital goes through a wooded valley which is often shut because of fallen trees and flooding. Well it has been this winter anyway. In the morning I woke up and found another text which was so awful it upset me greatly and got me all of a dither and a flap. I'd packed my bag the night before, but needed to put something in/take something out (can't remember which) and the consent forms tipped out of my bag and I didn't notice, so went without them. This was the one thing which they'd told me to take, or you couldn't have the EC. Before we went MrH said we needed to nip into town to see how the flooding was, and the damage is quite bad after the high tide and storm surge. Luckily all our property seems ok, but the forecast is very bad for tomorrow night, which is worrying. We're also very concerned that the move isn't moving along - we need to exchange by this Friday and the vendor seems to have gone AWOL.
Anyway I drove, despite feeling so hungry and thirsty, and the weather was so unbelievably awful, but at least it gave me something to do. When we got there I found I'd left the forms and had a panic attack and a total meltdown. They found me crying and panicking in a corridor so had to put me in a bed. They were very lovely but didn't know quite what to do. They phoned my home clinic, who faxed through the relevant forms. It took a while as there were so many. They must have thought I was a total fucking moron. Stress does turn me into an imbecile to be fair. Maybe mother has a point about me being stupid.
The consultant was quite impatient and kept telling me I HAD to calm down. I was trying my best, deep breathing, closed eyes and so on. MrH went off to produce the sample. It was all much scarier at this clinic than it sounds like it was at yours. They insisted on no clothes - backless gown, had to walk into theatre. They did all the prep while I was still wide awake - legs up, being cleaned (yuck). Oh and there were three attempts to get a cannula into my arm. I told her that they'd never find a vein on my left arm, but they did it anyway. Didn't work, so they did it my hand. Fuck that hurt. That didn't work either. The third time they tried the vein I told them to do the first time. Finally the sedation kicked in. I was listening to my CD and don't remember anything after Bach . They got six eggs out anyway.
Afterwards they told us that MrH's sample, far from being as wonderful as we had always been told us, is actually pretty poor - 4% motility, so they will have to do ICSI. The embryologist kept asking us whether that was ok and did we object, which got me thinking that there was more to this than I thought there was. They will call tomorrow with how many fertilised.
All in all a total fucker of a day. I came back and pretty much passed out and am only now back up. Sorry if I worried you xxx
<Producers cup of tea, blanket and buns>
Hest you have had one hell of a day and your emotions will be all over the place. Thank you for the update. Fwiw 4% is not that poor, we were told 4% is average! ICSI isn't the end of the world either.
Please have a good meal and
DO NOT contact your mother for at least a week. You do not need the additional stress and hassle.
We all luff you.
Silly isn't it? We were told 15% is average.
That should've said produces and DO NOT.
She will just hassle me and hassle me. I will send her an email after transfer telling her I do not intend having a relationship with someone who thinks it's ok to behave like this. She is welcome to change and prove to me she is trying to change and I would be willing to keep her in my life. But I don't intend continuing to be her whipping boy.
I can't actually believe I'm having to give her headspace today.
Oh Hest you poor thing (((hugs))). I agree with Bugs, 4% sounds absolutely fine - HWHNN was told his 6% was "above average".
I'm sorry the clinic were not more sympathetic, you'd expect better of a place dealing with women in a fragile state of mind.
As for your mother, I wouldn't even bother emailing/texting her. Can you block her number on your phone? You are right that you deserve more than a relationship that only causes you hurt and distress. We all luffs you
<Cutches up Hest with Bugs blankey sneaking in a squeeze whilst there and a hair stroke>. Time for calm now Hest after a shit storm of a day. Most important things to think about are you got eggs and you got Mr H's little fellas. They are all now doing their thing so you need to concentrate on looking after you. Is there any way you can just not answer the phone/block emails from your mother? This is absolutely time for you to look after you and not for dealing with selfish others. This is your time not theirs and they will just have to handle it somehow. YOU are most important. <clambers off soapbox>
It's just her. Everyone else is fine. I would happily have no contact with her except she's my dad's carer and I love my dad.
<bundles Hest in a huge fluffy duvet, brings hot chocolate> iCSI is A Good Thing. Better fertilisation rates.
Anyone for gin, and a grope of my norks?
<sneaks in>. H what an absolute, unmitigated FUCKER of a day. I have EVERYTHING crossed for the next stage <plaits pubes>. Six eggs is shedloads - double what I had! We also had ICSI sprung on us on the day, and the whole "are you OK with that" discussion. And yes, it's not natural selection, so no, you wouldn't actively choose it, but when you're just coming round from sedation and the professionals are recommending it, what could you say except "yes"?!? Anyway, the evidence on it is fine, so try not to dwell on that. And I don't know what your Mum's game is but to be putting you through this at the moment...well, words fail me. Love you. <sneaks out>.
hest have the bream of bravery. What a fucker of a day. 6 eggs is brilliant. You have done it!
Your EC sounds similar to mine - it was being bucked into stirrups before I was knocked out that gave me flashbacks and panics after the first one and led to my going to hypnotherapy and then do it awake. I found it so distressing. I could cope with it more easily awake - it was being knocked out in such a vulnerable position that sent me over the edge. I hate the cleaning too. It seems to remove the last shred of dignity. Interestingly, the new woman dr I had for the last ET didn't do and I was so glad. And it doesn't seem to have done any harm. My chest tightened reading your post - it was all so familiar.
Was it 4% morphology? Cos I didn't think that was bad. I thought 4%+ was normal. One dr we spoke to said that samples produced when the men aren't really that turned on tend to be worse than normal, and I doubt a small room in a clinic when you know your distressed wife is outside really gets the juices flowing. In any event, ICSI will get them where they need to be.
And I cannot believe your flipping mother. What timing! Your email sounds extremely measured in the circumstances.
I wish I had looked on Mumsnet yesterday.
Well done for getting through it Hest. You are not stupid. You are bloody wonderful.
Thank you lovely hags past and present. I am very touched (*Wren, Lyra and Jethro* I can't tell you what that means to me) I can't help comparing you, my lovely friends, with her. What the fuck is her problem?
H, my love, what an unmitigated shitter of a day. I'm not surprised you flipped out. Just one of those things would have been crap, but one after the other like that is horrific and would floor an elephant. Six eggs is great - it is what I got too, and MrA's sample sounds fine according to what everyone else was told (I can't remember what we were told), and it is just a bit rubbish that the clinic sprung it all on you like that as you were coming round, though I suppose they didn't have much choice, if according to how they do things the motility is lower than they like. But who cares if it is, because HURRAH for the existence of ICSI, which means they can actually address it, rather than just tutting and shrugging.
I am so incredibly sorry about your mum, lovely. Of all the fucking days. Did she know it was today? I know she is your mum, but it makes me want to go and find her and shake her for daring to upset you today of all days. <protective>
She didn't know it was today. But that is no excuse. I don't know if I can forgive her.
Dunno. We should introduce her to my eldest step- sister.
Sorry have who don't know me. Brief history: joined BESH in 2011 after TTC #2 for 10 months. Tried for another 1 1/2 years. Gave up.
<waves at Euro, Frank and Bugs >
I love Wren. She is lush. She is one of my bestest buds
even though I have not actually met her
Do you know what. Even if this whole thing doesn't work, I have made some very excellent friends.
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Awwwwwww. Sorry. All this loving talk is not the BESH way is it?
<strips nekkid, flings around rotting fish, resurrects Cap'n Jack>
<clutches Wren's* ankles>
Hest, as I said earlier today you don't have to forgive her. We are so conditioned to think that we must love our family no matter what but the fact is that's not true. We have to protect ourselves and if that means cutting out toxic people who happen to share DNA with us, then so be it.
I am lucky in that my parents are
mostly sane, but I've had my eyes opened whilst on MN as to how many basically bloody awful parents there are out there. I know I am repeating myself, but have you thought about posting in Relationships, if nothing else they might be able to offer you coping strategies.
Wren I was reading some old freds the other day and we're a lot more nice to each other than we used to be and should be.
<puts on knuckle dusters>
It's nice when the old skool ESH pop in. I miss you all.
<Waves to Brown, owl, Cuntymole and bitey in case they're lurking too>
<piles on wren & lyra>
<makes a BESH sandwich with Hest in the middle>
Right I need to stop using those bracket thingies. Hest I luff you very much & want to chin your Ma for harassing you. But I won't. Hope you're getting looked after. You've done EC! 6 eggs is great.!
Good call Frank. Yes, I've learnt a lot from some of those freds too. Particularly with regard to aforementioned sister.
And of course snuggles in Wrens ginormo boobs
Get rid of that last post please Norf.
Fucking fuckers, the lot of you.
I am on my tablet and just accidentally clicked on ' hide thread'. I only really look at this one anyway! How do I unhidd?
Wren I have never found out! Many's the time I have hidden a thread I actually started. Maybe message HQ and ask?
Here's something funny. Coming round, I was talking about how I couldn't find a single sofa I liked. Then started waxing lyrical about ski deals and how good the snow is. Not very subliminal is it?
Have you actually been looking at sofas?
Yes all the time. I am trying to find a red chenille sofa bed.
Does it have to be chenille? My friend got a red ikea sofa bed that was hard wearing and comfy (and had removable washable covers, which is handy for outdoorsy people with outdoorsy cats).
Ahem! Might this do the trick Hest? I've checked, they do it in red chenille <bows>
My cat's not outdoorsy. She's an utter wuss <scornful>
Ikea sofas tend to be kind of hard. I want to be able to flop in it.
Were you hoping to wake up all poetic then? I generally wake up demanding food after a GA.
Oooh, they look luffly!
Oh the other thing - I need interest free credit
Thank you hags. Someday I will have a BESH party and you can all come and sit on my sofa.
Don't you have to go to DFS or something for that?
Next do 1 years interest free credit when you spend over £399.
Do they? Bloody hell, I might get one as well!
Well done hest. Sounds horrific all in all, but you did it. Like others have said, the SA sounds ok to me. Ghj had 2% and was told he was at the cut off for icsi, which we would have had.
And well done bugs. You sound happier.
<showers BESH with frozen shrimp>
m.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/spr/89887519/ This one, but weirdly I can't find it on the uk site anywhere.
Gosh! Next here I come!
Wren, lots of places do it now.
BTW everyone, did you know that in fiction Wren Natsworthy is Hester Shaw's daughter. Weird innit?
Who knew the BESH were so multi-talented: excellent support network, literary education and expert sofa finders
http://m.sainsburys.co.uk/mt/www.sainsburys.co.uk/sol/shop/home_and_garden/120325361_sofia-red-sofabed.html Half price...
Now then, about that skiing.....
I thought I might just slide down the slope on a sofa bed. Possible a red chenille one. To carry all my gin with me.