If TTC # 2 has turned you into a nut job this thread is for you! (Part 4)

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sebsmummy1 Thu 05-Dec-13 09:16:01

Hey!! We have had lots of graduates from Part 3, so let's get on the TTC bus part 4 and make this place a ghost town.

Destination Pregnancy, choooo choooooo grin

2beornot Thu 05-Dec-13 09:36:24

Love it sebs!!!! Fedup - there's no reason why this pregnancy will end like the last. In fact it's much more likely to be successful. I know it's a long wait but you need to almost forget about it (like you did with the ttc I guess). Don't think about symptoms, or lack of, as you know deep down there is no correlation.

In our house it's like the elephant in the room. Last time we planned everything by the 12 weeks scan (narrowing down names, deciding whether we would find out the sex or not etc.). This time we've yet to tell anyone - I don't even know when we're going to tell parents.

sebsmummy1 Thu 05-Dec-13 10:00:28

Agree with 2be. There is absolutely no reason why this pregnancy shouldn't be H&H. I don't remember having any symptoms with my pregnancy until I was about 8 weeks. Then my boobs looked like udders and I was horrified lol

I had some post coital bleeding from memory and was very scared. Then asked on a diff forum I was part of and they said it was pretty common.

Well OH back tonight at about midnight. I think DS has chicken pox. He was exposed to it about a month ago at a friend's daughter's birthday party and his torso has lots of spots on it this morning. I have noticed the quantity increasing over the last two days, his nappies have been SHOCKING and he has been sleeping more. Otherwise he seems to be ok in himself.

2beornot Thu 05-Dec-13 10:08:02

Well this is going to be confusing-I have it set up so the op is highlighted in green that's normally fedup!!

Yep, sounds like chicken pox, sebs. Hopefully he'll be fine - my dd was. 3 week in the supposed time between exposure and the spots occurring so sounds possible.

fedupofrainydays Thu 05-Dec-13 10:56:23

Thanks sebs - DS loves trains so very appropriate in our household.

Thanks ladies. I do appreciate it. I'm trying so hard not to panic. It will get me nowhere! Poor DH is petrified too. I think he feels very out of control, as do I!

What do you mean, I'm green??? Everyone is the same colour to me on here...!!!

Good to get the pox out the way sebs. Ds hasn't had it yet! Hope sebs is ok though.

Me too 2be. Was so ignorant! Thought of names too. I don't think this time I will do anything until there is a baby in my arms. We don't need to buy stuff as we have it from DS. Even my mum who is usually the biggest pessimist is more positive than me - this has to be the biggest first ever in our family. I've told my mum, my sister and one of my best friend who is going through ttc hell too after mc and I couldn't lie to her, plus she's been ace.

With DS I had symptoms pretty much from word go.. And much less for mc baby. I know every preg is different but I actually want to be throwing up and having huge sore boobs!! Bring it on!

Sebs - I need some distraction - can you get a bfp this month please?! Sod the psychic and get preggers in December with twins!!! Xxxx

zippygeorgebungle Thu 05-Dec-13 11:11:24

oh good luck fedup! I think you will begin to have some symptoms soon, it is early days.

AF a day late here but I ovulated ridiculously late (clear blue fertility monitor and all other symptoms) so I am not testing.

sebsmummy1 Thu 05-Dec-13 12:26:28

PMSL, I think I can definitely get pregnant with twins this month yep!!! I see no reason whatsoever why that wouldn't happen grin

Ooooooooh zippy!!!!!!! There was a month quite a while back when I had a 30 day cycle and I was thinking I was late but then AF arrived. So I think I must have Oed late. I understand the whole follicular phase thingy a bit better now. How many days past ovulation are you?

zippygeorgebungle Thu 05-Dec-13 17:19:51

i ov'd on sun and mon according to the fertility monitor, day 24(!) of a usual cycle lasting 27 days..so no surprise AF isnt here yet either way! had had high fertility since day 12, but only peaked sun and mon. I think AF will be here any day sad

sebsmummy1 Thu 05-Dec-13 17:28:35

Hmmmm I'm stressing because I think I'm going to OV too early this month as I have EWCM on cd8!

Well I am not going to say anything other then, good luck, hope she stats away. Our bodies are mysterious things and sometimes we do everything right and bfn, and other times we think absolutely no way, couldn't happen this month and BFP!!!!

Cakebaker35 Thu 05-Dec-13 21:42:17

Jumping on, hello everyone, and thanks for your replies about opks on part 3, definitely think I'll give them a go in a couple of months.

Keeping fingers and toes crossed for lots of BFPs!

fedupofrainydays Thu 05-Dec-13 21:55:19

Too early for what sebs? Is DH away?

zippy your fertility monitor sounds a bit bonkers? 12 days of high fertility?? Maybe it's you with the twins this month as a result?!

sebsmummy1 Thu 05-Dec-13 22:00:08

too early for it to be normal fedup! DP back tonight. I don't know, I feel as though I stand no chance of getting knocked up if I don't O on cd14. I know that's irrational of me but its how i feel sad

zippygeorgebungle Thu 05-Dec-13 23:04:09

I know fedup, but I have read on here that in the first month the monitor has lots of days of high fertility. In addition now I know from the consultant that my breastfeeding (I only stopped earlier this cycle) is affecting the hormones at the start and end of the cycle it probably is all a bit out (so that was £100 well spent, zippy)

fedupofrainydays Fri 06-Dec-13 06:42:34

It's very normal sebs. I get ewcm around cd 8 too. One month it started while I was still on my period and I ovulated on cd 8! You can also have ewcm for days before you ovulate so it could end up being around cd14 anyway!!
When I was worried about early ovulation I read this article about people from a religion who didnt have sex whilst on their period, but weren't getting pregnant. Once they did have sex during their period they got pregnant - so early ovulation works!!

Gunk still here... At least am not at work today

Incacola Fri 06-Dec-13 07:31:50

Hi! I've lurked a bit but am now very much reaching the point of going crazy. Just POAS this morning, convinced I was bfp.....

Bfn hmm

It took us 7 cycles with our first and it's only been 4 so far this time but I was so convinced this month had worked. Symptom spotting like mad over the 2ww and I was having nausea, I was needing get up for the loo in the night, tender boobs, more tired, tingly nipples. Just goes to show how much we can fool ourselves.

You all seem very sure of your cycles. Do most of you use the opk's? I'm thinking about just using them for one cycle to give confirm for me when about i ov in my cycle but those of you monitoring regularly seem to be saying it varies each cycle.

Good luck to those of you still in with a chance this cycle.

Cakebaker35 Fri 06-Dec-13 08:46:18

Hi Inca, no not using opks yet but may consider it in the new year. My cycle is anything from 24 days to 30 so a little bit random here, but really just trying to enjoy the BDing for now and trying very very hard not to be impatient which is driving me bonkers

sebsmummy1 Fri 06-Dec-13 10:06:59

Zippy you are right, the monitor does need a few cycles to start giving more accurate results. I think that's what puts quite a few people off as they can end up throwing you lots of peak addy and it can be a bit head scratching. But I would have definitely bought one myself, what out me off was the price if the monitor then the price of the sticks!! If I had been able to get a Chao second hand one I would have done it. As it was they all seemed to be holding their value on eBay and I though feck it lol

Ok, that makes me feel a bit better fedup. I shall calm down. So bloody annoying that yr gunk can't ease up and leave you be so you can start to enjoy your pregnancy. I would say maybe concentrate on your first scan. You said you were going to get one at around 9 weeks? Maybe see that as a marker for you to focus on, anywhere local you're thinking of going to? I used BabyBond from memory (god that seems SO long ago now)!!!! I also had a 4d scan at 20 something weeks and that was so lovely. Got to see him moving around in there although I was convinced he had a funny nose lol

Inca, I think it's really normal to symptom spot like crazy in the early months of TTC. As time goes on you do it less as it's a bit pointless. The only things that would pique my interest now is a lot of unusual prolonged discharge in the 2ww and a strong implantation bleed early on like I had with Seb. Any other twinges is just my body, including tingling nipples etc. Wishing you loads of luck, it will happen for you, we just need a bucket load of patience mixed in with the baby dust xxx

sebsmummy1 Fri 06-Dec-13 10:07:46

Soz for typos grrrr, typing too fast!!

fedupofrainydays Fri 06-Dec-13 15:06:15

I was holding out to 8 weeks but if I make it to 6 and going then for early scan. Even if can only see a blob. I just want to know there is something there as last one was just a big sac.

I have been the biggest victim of fake symptoms last 10 months. As sebs says, my only real clue this time was prolonged and consistent watery / creamy discharge for a week or so. It was that which made me think... Hang on! I usually get some before af but more like 3 days.... Not a week!

zippygeorgebungle Fri 06-Dec-13 15:38:06

Fedup, they could see enough at 6 weeks to make me believe it. How many weeks are you now though, dont they count it since your last AF at first so wouldnt that make you officially nearly that? how early to find out if it is twins wink?

Does anyone know how many dpo it is worth testing? AF still not here, 2 days late, but only OV'd Sunday/Monday. I kind of prefer the "possibly" than the bfn, but have some Christmas do things this weekend and next weds so there is the issue of drinking or not. I suppose I ought not given AF is late. Nobody in real life except dh knows we are ttc so dont want them all to start assuming i'm pregnant etc.

fedupofrainydays Fri 06-Dec-13 15:56:57

10 dpo. No earlier! And even that's early. Hold out of you can although fertility monitor could be wrong and you ov'd earlier.
If it was me I would test and if bfn have a couple of drinks but not a binge! Apparently no booze passes to baby before 4 weeks so you will be fine in any case.
I have my work Xmas do on next Friday.. Dreading that one!

I'm only 4 wks plus 3 by lmp but I think I'm more like + 5 as have short cycles.

In my manic google I did find bleeding was much more common with multiples.... But I just don't feel pregnant enough for that!!!

fedupofrainydays Fri 06-Dec-13 15:58:02

10 dpo. No earlier! And even that's early. Hold out of you can although fertility monitor could be wrong and you ov'd earlier.
If it was me I would test and if bfn have a couple of drinks but not a binge! Apparently no booze passes to baby before 4 weeks so you will be fine in any case.
I have my work Xmas do on next Friday.. Dreading that one!

I'm only 4 wks plus 3 by lmp but I think I'm more like + 5 as have short cycles.

In my manic google I did find bleeding was much more common with multiples.... But I just don't feel pregnant enough for that!!!

sebsmummy1 Fri 06-Dec-13 16:17:54

Yep 10dpo. Some get positives at 8dpo but I think that's rare.

I have so much EWCM this cycle, not sure if that's a good sign or not. I'm convincing myself I'm menopausal to be honest so I think the early O is a sign of my eggs disappearing on me. All I had to do was meet DP 5 years ago and this TTC lark wouldn't be so blimming stressful for me. I feel like I'm counting down to infertility and it's crap.

fedupofrainydays Fri 06-Dec-13 16:21:04

It's a great sign sebs!!! And I don't think any sign of menapause at all!! You haven't ov'd yet so not even 'early'!! Stop stressing please.. You have great signs of fertility! Great ones...

sebsmummy1 Fri 06-Dec-13 16:31:35

Ok ok ok, that made me tearful, thank you so much for being such a lovely support on here for me xxxxxx

fedupofrainydays Fri 06-Dec-13 16:37:39

Keep calm if you can as it does affect conception, I am now a convert of this. Never was but it took the month that I 'relaxed' to conceive...

Big hugs xxx

zippygeorgebungle Fri 06-Dec-13 18:22:39

sebs, you only stopped bfing last month, just like me. And the consultant i saw was very clear on the effect it can have on pituitary suppression even if you are bfing once a day. so try think of this month as your first proper try.

and like fedup says, lots of good signs.x

sebsmummy1 Fri 06-Dec-13 22:41:12

God it feels like I stopped bfing ages ago! I think it was two cycles ago.

Feel a bit better as we've DTD tonight and will sat and sun too, then we will go for every other day grin

zippygeorgebungle Sat 07-Dec-13 08:53:52

oh sorry sebs, i was beginning of nov and thought you were around the same. good luck sebs! still no AF here, 3days late now,but not testing to prolong that maybe feeling given ov so late.

fedupofrainydays Sat 07-Dec-13 09:00:46

Are you still using the cough medicine sebs?

Ladies am sure now you have both stopped the breastfeeding this will happen v soon grin

This sounds ridiculous but was excited to feel sick this morning! I felt sick with my mc too but any symptoms are good with me at the mo.

sebsmummy1 Sat 07-Dec-13 10:45:53

I totally understand that feeling zippy. You stay cosy and warm in the maybe bubble, I like it there lol grin

I gave up two weeks before he was one, so yeah youre right, beginning of November. Feels longer!

I'm not using the cough medicine, I completely forgot!!! I still have stuff in boxes so my brain isn't functioning normally as things aren't in the places they were in the other house. I guess that's good about the EWCM then as it's a great consistency naturally.

Excellent about the morning sickness. I can remember having two weeks of nausea around the 8 week mark and that was plenty for me. I hated it!!!!!

We are having a Christmas Day today. Out to a Christmas fair and then to pick a little Xmas tree. Mums coming too as we live near her now and she can get more involved with stuff we are doing which gives her some respite from caring for dad.

PunkyBubba Sat 07-Dec-13 21:02:28

Hey girls, if you don't remember me I lurked on here for a while before my BFP in October. I posted that I had AF, then BFP straight after so AF didn't always rule you out, until a couple of weeks later I realised that was an apparently classic sign of an ectopic.. unfortunately only after being told that by a gynae surgeon after my right fallopian tube ruptured. I am now a 'uni-tuber', and have finally almost got through my 2 cycles since the ectopic (as advised to wait) so can start ttc again probably around xmas. I have been lurking as usual since the ectopic but not been in the right frame of mind to post. I've been a bit up and down emotionally as I'm sure you understand! Anyway I just wanted to say HUGE <whispered> congratulations to 2Be and FedUp. I truly hope for both of you this will be the one.

I've been temping this month (first time) in preparation for jumping back on the ttc bandwagon next cycle. I have to say it has probably confused me more than helped. I had a peak the day after I thought I ov'd, then 2 days of much lower temps until it went right up again. I've spent FAR too much time googling the significance of this, even though logically I know I ov'd when I thought I did as I had a positive OPK and what I usually believe to be ovulation pain. I was still hoping it was a couple of days later as DH and I DTD then.. so even though I shouldn't (as medical advice says wait 2 cycles) I was hoping I might be in with a chance this month... and ridiculously have still been symptom spotting even though I know logically there is no chance...

So long story short.. still here, still ttc no 2, and becoming more of a nut job month by month. (hi to all the newbies!)xxx

fedupofrainydays Sat 07-Dec-13 21:22:47

Oh hi punky I'm so sorry to hear about the ectopic and lost tube. But I do no soapy uni tubers who have gone on to have babies (much quicker than it took me to get a bfp too!)

Fx you won't be here for long..
Temping drove me a bit mad too, well I was already mad so just more nutty!!! If opks work for you I would stuff the temping and just use them.

So can I ask you a few questions.? If you don't mind. Only because I have brown spotting / discharge at the mo and I slight fear its ectopic. How heavy was the af you had? And
did you have any of the other symptoms typical of ectopic? And how many weeks was it that it ruptured? I'm so sorry to ask but am just petrified so would really appreciate your experience. Thank you xxxxx

fedupofrainydays Sat 07-Dec-13 21:24:23

Soapy?! Should so "so many"

PunkyBubba Sat 07-Dec-13 23:04:32

No worries FedUp. My AF was a full on 5 day heavy AF as normal. I was hoping it was implantation bleed but it was exactly as heavy and long as normal so I had ruled that out (basically I now know I had AF as HCG levels were not high enough to stop it at that point).

My first sign really was that I had a (faint) BFP only at 6 weeks. I only took the IC test as I had been feeling a bit weird and had an xray (unrelated) the next day so wanted to be 100% I was not pregnant for it. Was shocked at BFP. Went straight out and bought a CB with Conception indicator which said I was 2-3 weeks pregnant.. which dated me as conceiving when I was on AF, 2 weeks after ov. I knew this was wrong as I was using OPKs, but the GP and EPU didnt seem to think it was a problem and I trusted them as medical experts (HAH!)

Anyway, that was first sign. I was then referred for scans at EPU. First scan at 6.5 weeks showed nothing except thicker uterine lining. They took a blood test and told me I must have o'd later than I thought. I had another blood test a couple of days later and HCG had risen as it should (apparently I was in the only 10% of ectopics this happened for, so very unlucky as they didnt pick it up). Thing is my first blood test was something like 2500.. so when I heard that I knew myself they should have seen something in the scan. I still don't understand why things were left with them telling me all was fine. Week 8 I had another scan on the Monday and they said they could see a gestational sac and possibly yolk sac. I was already having horrendous abdominal pains and had been since the Friday. I had convinced myself it was wind/digestional caused by pregnancy, so that's what I told them at the EPU... They didn't even seem to acknowledge what I was saying so I assumed all was fine. I saw the GP on Wednesday about the pain but it seemed to be easing. He just said if it got worse or I was dizzy to go to A&E straight away. I collapsed on the Thursday night.

Unfortunately I didn't have the main 'classic' sign of an ectopic, which was bleeding. They usually refer to it as 'prune juice' coloured. Even when I had ruptured and was bleeding internally I never bled externally... so anyway, they ruled out an ectopic in A&E, and I spent about 6 hours in agony while the 'professionals' argued about appendicitis(!) until it was finally diagnosed, and they prepared me for emergency surgery just minutes before I started screaming and couldnt stop (never knew pain like it and pray I never do again).

So to try to answer your questions more directly: I ruptured at what I know now was 8 weeks (though the medics kept telling me previously I was not that far along to try to explain why the scans did not show anything). Through the many experiences I have read about since it happened to me I would say the main symptom is the one-sided pain, or severe (all over) abdominal gassy pain. To give my example I was on all fours at times with mine and I would rate it worse than labour pain. I couldnt put my son to bed at nights as I was generally in bed in agony, or curled up on the sofa with a hot water bottle. A lot of women also have bleeding with it, but heavy bleeding that is usually waved off as "you are having an MC" in hospital, told there is nothing that can be done, and they are sent home to 'get on with it', and its only when they end up in A&E it's realised to be an ectopic. Ummmm, also faint BFP's when they should be strong, and a lack of symptoms (generally again due to low HCG)

FedUp Did you use a conception indicator? Did your dates match what you think? I am not a medical professional, and as with everything EVERY case is different, but I don't recognise your symptoms as similar to any of the ectopic stories I have read.

If this is causing you real worry though, is it possible for you to call your EPU directly and explain your history, and that you have been having this brown spotting/discharge, and you are worried about an ectopic. Even if it is too early for a scan you might be able to ask for a blood test/progesterone test, or they might be able to book you in for a scan at 6-7 weeks. I know all EPUs are different but some accept direct requests. Either that or try via your GP. The other lesson I have learned is not to wait where health is concerned. If it turns out your fears are unfounded then who cares if you took up one more slot at the EPU!

Yeah thanks, I think I might knock the temping on the head, it was just nice to be able to do 'something' while I was waiting for the 2 cycles to be done! I though it would clarify, rather than give me something else to question.. which basically makes it pointless for me.

If you have any other Q's just ask. If anything I say helps anyone then it makes the ectopic feel slightly less.. pointless if you know what I mean.


fedupofrainydays Sun 08-Dec-13 08:45:57

Thank you so much punky thank you.
I feel so cross that the professional did not pick it up even though the signs were all there.
I did and it only said 1 to 2 weeks on Monday and again on Friday. Haven't dared do it again as so many people told me how unreliable CBDs are. Tempted again now though to buy some today and test with fmu tomorrow.
I feel gassy too partic on left side - but I could just be gassy. I don't have any pain as such.
I also feel that could be why I'm bleeding - cos hcg wasn't strong enough. But it's not like af, it's brown watery stuff - could be prune juicey but I've never drunk prune juice!! My bfp was on Saturday last week - exceptionally faint. But got darker each day after. In a bit confused when I ov and when period was due as didnt temp or opk. Had ewcm cd 9 though so likely to ov cd 12 but then had watery stuff on cd 14. So who knows.
I don't feel partic preggers today either. Ugh. I'm going to phone EPU tomorrow morn and also private scan company if EPU say no. Doctor is just useless and told me just to go to EPU if I was still bleeding at 6 weeks. sad

PunkyBubba Sun 08-Dec-13 10:18:00

Hey FedUp, I think your dates more or less match up, if you conceived around 21st (which I think based on you predicting your next AF as Saturday 30th on a 28 day cycle would be about right - sorry, been doing some calendar calcs as you can see). If the dates are a near enough match then your HCG is about right, so please stop worrying about that. I was at least 2 weeks out on mine, so very low for how far along I should have been.

I had thought you were a bit further along (time seems to be on a go slow this month!). The EPU probably also won't do anything until you are 6 weeks, but by speaking to them at least you will be on the radar and they may book you in for a scan for the 6 weeks.

The prune juice bleeding is described as heavy bleeding, but watery in consistency.. I'm assuming a dark red/purply colour.

They do say people probably don't get symptoms of an ep until at least 6/7 weeks as bean is too small to have any real impact until then. The tube doesn't usually rupture until between 8-12 weeks.

I will again say it doesn't seem likely, and you are too early along to be experiencing symptoms of an EP, though I understand how freaked you are. I'm so sorry I have to go,, DH glowering at me at the door.

Will speak later.xx

2beornot Sun 08-Dec-13 10:52:12

Fedup - handholding here. sad. I know it's been such a rollercoaster for you and it's not getting better. Def make sure you are on epu's radar so to speak and see if they'll scan you as soon as it's worthwhile.

Punky - welcome back! Now you're ttc for real I hope you're not here long!

fedupofrainydays Sun 08-Dec-13 14:50:38

thanks 2be am calling them tomorrow.. at least so on the radar but i do think they will tel me to push off til 6 weeks! xx

punky i think i conceived between 16th and 19th of Nov. so why i was a bit worried of the extremely faint bfp on nov 30th. I've got weird cycles - vary from 20 to 28 days, and average about 24. Pre mc they were always 25 days. But whatever, i'm not as far out as 2 weeks. Maybe a few days. I think i felt implantation on 28th nov which could be anything from 9 to 12 dpo. And i freakded myself out by reading about late implanters (i.e. those after 10 dpo) being most likely to mc (80%). this was before the blood / discharge and freaking out about ectopic!
man, theres no hope for me is there... i'm just nuts.

I think i'm about 5 weeks (taking short cycles into account).

thank you for the reassurance. and if i get a scan at 6 weks and if there is a prob, hopefully it can be caught early. thanks punky xxxxxx

fedupofrainydays Sun 08-Dec-13 14:51:13

ps. sorry for getting you in trouble with DH punky
My DH does the same, complaining how much time i spend on my phone!

PunkyBubba Sun 08-Dec-13 16:08:35

Thanks 2be I have it in my head it won't take me long to conceive again.. ) <delusional> which probably means I'm in it for the long haul.. At least getting pregnant in Aug shows DH still has swimmers that work, and I know I ov'd.. so thats half the battle right! I just need the next one to have Sat Nav to get through the one tube to the right place this time!

FedUp I think knowing as much as we know now about the inner workings of conception is as much a curse as a blessing as we get ourselves so wound up over every symptom. I know though I would be EXACTLY as freaked as you in your situation, and now I have had an ectopic I have a much higher chance of another one in the future. Any future pregnancies I have to go in for early scans at the EPU to rule it out.. so I know if/when I get a BFP I will be in absolute pieces until I get to see a scan showing it is in the right place...

If you are 5 weeks now then potentially you only (and I say 'only' knowing every minute you still have to wait is torture) a week or so left until you can have a scan. I am sure if you explain to the EPU your history and about the brown discharge and explain how distressed you are (you probably know this but I find crying on the phone helps) they should get you in for a scan as soon as they think they would see something (6-7 weeks).

No worries about DH.. He cheered up once we got in the car and headed off to buy him loads of new socks (my life is so rock n roll!)xxx

fedupofrainydays Mon 09-Dec-13 07:36:34

DH has socks and pants for Christmas... V rock and roll!!

I'm sure too that it won't be long til you conceive (in the right place) and loving the sat nav idea!

sebsmummy1 Mon 09-Dec-13 10:49:56

Hi girls. Pinky I'm so sorry to hear your story sad. Totally unfair and dreadful the way they missed your symptoms even though you presented yourself to them so many times. I too have heard lots of stories of women conceiving quickly with one tube. Loads of love to you xxx

Fedup - you ok chicken? Not long until you can have your mind eased. I don't think your symptoms tally with what I've read about ectopic either. I have however heard so many women say they had a pregnancy with unexplained bleeding and the result is snuggled up in bed as they type. I'm sure that will be your story too in eight months time.

Well I'm in cd 12 and have lovely slippy clear EWCM. I ovulated in cd 13 last month according to opks. So will be interesting which day I oh dry this month. Least it's really close to the middle of the cycle now so I'm not stressing.

We bded fri night and sun afternoon, will bd again tonight and hopefully tues and wed too then OH away for a night. Was quite funny yesterday as I dragged him in from sorting the garage when he had everything out on the front lawn. It was like those classic film scenarios where the bloke has to shoot home at lunchtime as it's the right time.

Baby dust to everyone else lurking. Zippy is AF still missing?

sebsmummy1 Mon 09-Dec-13 10:50:24

Punky that should have said

fedupofrainydays Mon 09-Dec-13 11:06:10

So currently sitting in EPU. I called this morn and they want to see me to check not ectopic. Feeling very scared. I don't know if they will be able to see anything but we shall see. Feeling oddly calm as at least I'm not 11 weeks like last time I was here...

MrsLadyL Mon 09-Dec-13 11:08:01

Jumped on over here. Fed up did you get you're BFP? I seen you're having some problem? Iv bled the whole way through this pregnancy and had early scan at 9 weeks after a big flood of fresh red blood. Still spotting on and off so fingers crossed for you I know how you must be feeling. It may not be as bad as you think Xx

fedupofrainydays Mon 09-Dec-13 11:23:39

I did. But faint. EPU said my pregnancy test was also faint so it's not looking that good. Waiting for scan xx

MrsLadyL Mon 09-Dec-13 11:41:52

With my first pregnancy all my tests were faint. Had to get an internal and there she was my little Miracal. Sending lots of hugs X

sebsmummy1 Mon 09-Dec-13 12:27:00

Oh darling we are all there with you. Huge hand holding. I'll keep checking in as I'm out this afternoon xxxx

PunkyBubba Mon 09-Dec-13 13:09:32

Am so glad the EPU got you in. At least now you are on the path to get some answers. Wishing you soooo much baby dust, thinking of you.xxx

PunkyBubba Mon 09-Dec-13 13:13:45

P.S. Thanks Sebs, I try not to get wound up over all the missed opportunities to spot the EP. At least personally I know more now, and I know what I won't accept in terms of care and answers.

2beornot Mon 09-Dec-13 13:55:08

Oh fedup, fingers crossed honey. You're in the right place. Have they measured your hcg levels? Are they consistent with how far along you are? I hope it's good news. Are you alone? Who has got your DS?

sebsmummy1 Mon 09-Dec-13 20:40:21

Keep checking, not sure if no news is good news. I'm hoping so.

PunkyBubba Mon 09-Dec-13 20:56:07

Me too, thinking of you fedup xx

fedupofrainydays Mon 09-Dec-13 21:06:32

Hi ladies. So I've been admitted to hospital and they are monitoring me every hour. DH just gone home and DS was with grandma thank god.
So there was nothing in uterus. Hcg was 384. Which seemed too low given my bfp was 10 days ago.
I'm not having surgery unless things worsen over night.
I just want to be home with my boys. I don't think I can cope with ttc again after this... It's too heartbreaking sad

fedupofrainydays Mon 09-Dec-13 21:11:45

I can't remember if I said there was random bleeding in the pelvis but couldn't locate where from... No obvious ectopic. Without that bleeding they prob would have assumed normal mc. But I've not bled enough for that so no one really knows...

PunkyBubba Mon 09-Dec-13 21:29:39

I am so so sorry sweetheart. I hope you find out what is going on very soon with the bleeding, etc. Not knowing makes it so much harder when, as you say, you just want to get home to your boys. A big virtual hug from me, so upset for you to be going through this.xxx

2beornot Mon 09-Dec-13 21:37:38

Fedup - big big hugs. Why are they keeping you if your not going to have surgery. Could they let you go with a checklist of stuff to keep an eye on?

I hope you get some answers.

I am so sorry you are going through this. X

fedupofrainydays Mon 09-Dec-13 22:20:56

They are checking me every hour with BP, temp, wee etc. I'm still nil by mouth and on drip in case of emergency. They need to find out if the pregnancy is developing, and where. Thanks for your support ladies xx

zippygeorgebungle Mon 09-Dec-13 23:16:01

fedup, I am so sorry. This sounds difficult indeed. We are all thinking of you. xxx

sebsmummy1 Mon 09-Dec-13 23:21:08

Oh gosh that sounds really confusing and scary. There are no words right now I am just so glad you are in safe hands and being carefully monitored xxxx

2beornot Tue 10-Dec-13 09:56:31

How are you feeling this morning fedup? I hope you managed to get some rest last night.

So you think the gp will start tests now or still make you wait? (I'm just trying to see some sort of silver lining, although I know for you there probably isn't any) x

fedupofrainydays Tue 10-Dec-13 10:40:33

Morning. So after the worlds worst night sleep they came to see me this morning and said I can go home but back for bloods tomorrow unless I have major pain in the mean time.. If the pregnancy is developing they will scan and do camera surgery if necc to find out where it is. Most likely is I will miscarry and sort it out like that anyway.

Whatever it sucks but just relieved to be going home.

Thanks for all your support ladies, means so much xx

sebsmummy1 Tue 10-Dec-13 11:17:03

Ok, so have they ruled out ectopic? I have to say I don't 100% understand all the terminology all I know it is sounds like they are monitoring you very closely and that is absolutely essential right now.

I assume they don't really have any answers either at this stage, that's why they want to see how your levels change as surely it is too early to see anything at this stage. Ie the pregnancy could be viable but they just don't know with the information they have right now?

Huge hugs xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

PunkyBubba Tue 10-Dec-13 13:07:22

I might be wrong but currently it sounds like a 'PUL' - Pregnancy of Unknown Location, which could mean ectopic, but at the same time could be just too small to see elsewhere. It is an awful thing to say, but at least if it resolving by itself you are saved having surgery, any further complications, etc.

An awful horrible situation for you Fedup I just hope you are home now and at least with your loved ones as you recover. Big hugs from me too.xx

fedupofrainydays Tue 10-Dec-13 13:48:53

That's exactly what it is. They aren't bothered if hormones declining but if going up then yes, can be ectopic.
I have pain on left side but they didn't seem too bothered by it unless it was severe.

I'm now on the sofa with Jaffa cakes and tea. Looking forward to DS coming home from childcare. I need a cuddle xxx

sebsmummy1 Tue 10-Dec-13 14:49:14

So at they going to do bloods every other day fed up? Xxxx

fedupofrainydays Tue 10-Dec-13 15:19:01

Im not sure... I guess we will go on what they say tomorrow first... Xx

fedupofrainydays Tue 10-Dec-13 19:37:36

I'm home. And a relief to be honest. So good to see my boys. And being very well looked after and cuddled.
How is everyone? Sorry, with all the dramatic events of the last day or so I've kind of lost track...

Thank you so much for your kind messages. Your support means a lot. I await tomorrow and next bloods tests. And looking forward to a decent sleep in my own bed tonight


sebsmummy1 Tue 10-Dec-13 20:32:20

Glad you are back home with your family xxxx

Nothing happening here. Just bding, think I ovulated today (cd 13) but not sure. 2ww on its way.

2beornot Tue 10-Dec-13 22:33:18

Glad you're home and being looked after. Thinking of you x

sebsmummy1 Wed 11-Dec-13 08:18:01

Thinking of you today fed up xxxx

PunkyBubba Wed 11-Dec-13 10:42:03

Morning all,

how are you doing today Fedup? I'm hope you managed to have a good rest after making it back home. Let us know how you get on today, thinking of you.xx

Sebs I hope you weren't BDing as you typed ;-) Fingers crossed this is your month!

Well my 3rd cycle since EP started at the weekend. 6 days early which is a bit weird for me.. so a 22 day cycle, and only 10 day luteal phase. I immediately bought some vit B6, but then have spoken to a few people and apparently weird short cycles are normal post EP but they usually correct themselves quickly so going to hold off and hope this cycle is more normal. On the plus side I can start ttc a bit earlier than I thought, so next week as opposed to xmas week when I have 7 members of my family coming to stay!

sebsmummy1 Wed 11-Dec-13 10:53:18

Ha ha noooo. I don't think my OH would appreciate me tapping away on my phone as he's getting to critical mass lol

Well I've put on FF that I've ovulated today, cd14 as I definitely had that cold wet feeling that gets described when people are talking about ovulation. If I'm dry tomorrow I'm happy with that assumption. Means I had 5/6 days of good CM which makes me hopeful. But then I say that every month lol!!!

FF is giving me a test date of Christmas Eve!!! How totally amazing would that be if I got a BFP.

Punky. I was talking about this thread to my OH last night and about ectopic pregnancies. He asked if the remaining tube ovulated every month, ie takes over from the damaged one and I found I didn't know the answer. Does it?

PunkyBubba Wed 11-Dec-13 11:32:03

Lol, they were saying recently that stats show something like 10% of women use their phone during sex. I think that is rubbish personally but it was in the papers and discussed on TV!

Well I still have both ovaries, which should continue to release an egg randomly as they always did. The one remaining tube still has 'receptors' which are switched on at ovulation (like a homing signal), so the egg heads towards it, whichever ovary it came from. The stats say an egg coming from the tubeless side makes it to the remaining tube about 20% of the time (though some other sites I have seen say 30%). So I have more chance if I ovulate from my left side (as it was my right tube removed), but I still have some chance every month.

sebsmummy1 Wed 11-Dec-13 11:43:28

Oh that's great news grin. My partner works in the pharmaceutical field and says the body is very attuned to compensate, hence why he made the comment.

Apparently there is a rise of BFPs over the Xmas period because of the booze and probably more opportunity to get some loving!! Let's hope it's a lucky period for us all xxx

fedupofrainydays Wed 11-Dec-13 11:47:37

Back from EPU and await their call with results. Nervous.

Using phone whilst having sex? Really? Depends what they are using it for I suppose...!! Ha ha

I had a random 20 day cycle too punky and then 28 day. Was so weird. But no one has thought any of this was abnormal when I told them (in the medical profession!)

All sounds good sebs

Had a lovely sleep last night but was woken at 5.50 by DS. But I don't mind. He's so precious and all this shite happening at the mo just makes me realise that even more. He's so amusing, even at that time of day! And he's being a big mummy's boy at the moment which I love as its great to feel so wanted and needed and been given lots of hugs and cuddle demands. It's like he knows xxxx

fedupofrainydays Wed 11-Dec-13 11:50:08

Ps. That is good news re losing a tube. Gives me hope if this does to down that route. The doctor told me yesterday if you have ectopic it is better to remove that tube because people who have their tube saved often have another in the same tube. And she said all the ladies she had seen with one tube went on to get pregnant again just fine. She was nice and reassuring.

PunkyBubba Wed 11-Dec-13 12:45:50

Yes, one of the many things I learned from all this is how amazing the body is how it heals and compensates for loss.

Fedup yes even at the worst times of ttc we at least have our precious DC1's to cheer us up. I really feel for those who go through such horrendous experiences such as having an ectopic without that comfort.

From everything I have read I would agree with what your doctor told you, that most agree is better to lose the damaged tube, more for piece of mind than anything else.

Definitely hoping for some of that xmas luck this year for all of us! xxx

sebsmummy1 Wed 11-Dec-13 13:19:07

Everything crossed for you fed up xxx

fedupofrainydays Wed 11-Dec-13 13:51:23

Worst feeling of limbo land ever. I bet they don't even get around to ringing me today. Trying to distract myself with online Shopping and writing Christmas cards but I'm sure you can imagine I just want to know! Patience was never my real strong point....

sebsmummy1 Wed 11-Dec-13 14:15:16

Fed up, is there a chance that everything is ok with the pregnancy? Ie if your hormones are going up then that doesn't automatically mean it's developing in a bad place I assume?

fedupofrainydays Wed 11-Dec-13 15:48:18

They rang. I'm miscarrying. Hcg down to 97. Unlikely ectopic issues. I've got the pain and bleeding to come which is always fun. I will prob take a bit of a break from here now but will no doubt be back. Hope you all get some healthier bfps in the mean time xxx

PunkyBubba Wed 11-Dec-13 15:52:41

I am so so sorry. Sending you lots of love and huge hugs.xxx

sebsmummy1 Wed 11-Dec-13 15:54:30

Oh darling I am so so sorry. Totally devastated for you sad

2beornot Wed 11-Dec-13 18:16:27

So so sorry, fedup. Def think you should take a break, at least over the festive period. Sending some big hugs x

BartBaby Wed 11-Dec-13 18:27:26

Oh no fed up I'm so so sorry. I was really hoping it would work out for you. Try and take it easy over Christmas and make sure your dh looks after you x

fedupofrainydays Thu 12-Dec-13 13:21:34

Thanks ladies. Don't let it dampen this thread though. Keep ttc with gusto ladies, I'm sure I will be back with you in no time! Xx

sebsmummy1 Tue 17-Dec-13 10:02:11

Hi girls, not sure if this thread is still active but thought I would update invade you are all out there still.

I'm 6/7dpo and showing a good possible pregnancy sign. I have dark brown cm and some spotting this morning. I had quite bad cramping last night about 10 pm.

I feel hopeful but am understandably reluctant to read too much into it as our bodies are very good at giving us signs but no BFP. No idea when I'm going to test. I'm due on Christmas Day.

PunkyBubba Tue 17-Dec-13 10:25:36

I'm still here! That sounds positive Sebs! Fingers crossed this is your month! That's a hard decision to make on when to test if you are due on Christmas Day... I would probably wait until Boxing Day as a BFN might dampen my Christmas mood!

It's 'fertile week' this week, so DTD yesterday, and planning tomorrow, Friday and then just see if OPK is showing anything as to whether we go for Sunday too. My cycles are still messed up since the Ectopic so no idea really when I might OV or get AF. No EWCM at the moment though which is a bit annoying/disheartening.


zippygeorgebungle Tue 17-Dec-13 15:10:35

still here, although still feeling rather heartbroken for fedup, if she's lurking

AF came for me 6 days late. no idea why, it was a regular as clockwork on 27 days every month until recently. GP called this am to say blood test at day 21 was showing v low progesterone again but I am fairly sure I ovulated much later and hence late AF, CB fertility monitor said it was day 24 of a 33 day cycle. I also think I can tell when I OV. I have all the classic signs and that coincides with the machine.

TTC is getting really hard though. I am obsessing and because nobody knows in real life it can be very tough can't it? I sometimes think it wont happen but I hope I must have an ok chance in theory and the consultant said it was likely to happen once bfing hormones subsided? it's only been a few weeks since I stopped bfing.The consultant suggested ultrasounds through the month to track ovulation but i dont know whether it is too early to go through that yet?

sebsmummy1 Tue 17-Dec-13 16:01:04

I know, I did hesitate to reignite the thread however I thought we should keep it active for fed up to rejoin when she is ready. Thinking of you darling. If you are lurking and want a natter I'm only a PM away xxxx

Zippy I am really impressed how much help you are being offered. I was led to believe once you had one child they were pretty resistant at offering much help for number 2. Makes me slightly more hopeful if I decide to go to the docs re infertility in the New Year.

I'm at the hospital at the moment visiting my partner's very very poorly dad. Luckily the ward he is on is lovely. I've been on geriatric wards before through my grandad's illness and my father's stays and the wards each time (in different hospitals) were awful. Very distressing. He has Parkinson's and I don't think he has long left unfortunately. Been a very difficult year for so many people sad

zippygeorgebungle Tue 17-Dec-13 19:06:47

I'm a bit surprised too. I had only been TTCing 6 months and was still bfing when I went to the GP. I was surprised to get the blood tests and scan. But I then paid to see the consultant as the GP didnt seem to know what to do with the blood tests. It was such a good use of money to see the consultant in my view, though expensive, because he reassured me it was the bfing. The GP had said it would make no difference. But he is a very successful specialist and was clear that he thought the day 1-3 tests were showing that the bfing was having an effect. I suspect your bfing may also have potentially had an effect sebs until recently?

So sorry re your DPs dad. xx

getagoldtoof Wed 18-Dec-13 20:28:20

Hi all you nutters. I've popped back to see if our lovely fedup has been back on. Been thinking about her loads. If you're reading I hope you're recovering physically and emotionally if that's possible yet.

I will keep coming over to cheer you on as sebs, punky and fedup all deserve a new years (or Christmas, sebs?) bfp.

sebsmummy1 Wed 18-Dec-13 20:41:30

Hiya, I'm still here.

I'm veering from hopeful to less hopeful as the hours go on lol. I think I'm either 8 or 9 dpo tomorrow.

I had no more dark brown discharge, the CM went quite yellow and tonight I wiped and it was really slippery like EWCM so I have no idea. People seem to talk about an abundance of creamy lotion CM if they are pregnant, not slippery EW consistency.

I think I remember getting this once before and AF turned up so I'm a bit sad

fedupofrainydays Wed 18-Dec-13 21:43:39

I just checked in and really touched that you are all thinking of me. Thank you, you lovely ladies fsmile thanks

I'm not great, but ok. Bloods today say hcg now low enough to be 'not' pregnant. Nurse was so sweet and has arranged for me to chat to the doctor next week. This doc also runs a fertility clinic as well as EPU so hoping she will help me / advise me on what to do next.

I'm just so tired. Crazy tired. I've gone back to work (wfh) and sort of wish I hadn't as loads to do but too tired to do it. Tomorrow my last day before Christmas tho so will just get as far as I can.

Also an emotional wreck and everyone around me seems to be having a baby, had a baby or is telling me they are pregnant. It's so tough

One good thing is that DH has now said he wants 3 kids smile he always just wanted two. But think this has made him realise how badly he wants a bigger family. I just so hope we can. I trying not to think we will just be a 3, but we might and I need to accept that.

sebs that does sound promising. And mine was yellowy too. The fact the brown stuff has gone is a good sign that it was implantation. Some people get ewcm as its the beginning of the plug forming. Fx for you xxxx

And to zippy and punky too - fx for a Christmas / NY bfp.

I am lurking and looking out for all of you including grads like geta and bart xxxxx

fedupofrainydays Wed 18-Dec-13 21:47:13

Ps. The bleeding bit wasn't as painful as I was expecting. Probably as I'm quite early on. Just gross clots and bits (apparently my lining was thick).down to just spotting now so hopefully that's its pm the bleed front.

sebsmummy1 Wed 18-Dec-13 23:35:57

Oh darling I'm so glad you've come on to give an update. I can imagine it must be very emotional and raw right now. I'm glad you haven't been in any physical pain or at least minimally.

Sebby had his MMR jab today and has reacted to it unfortunately. We have had a low grade fever and he was sick. I've just washed him down and given him another half dose of calpol. I got his temp from 38.4 down to norm again and he has gone straight back to sleep hopefully he will feel better tomorrow. Of course it had to be the night that OH is out at a works do so I'm pacing the landing by myself.

sebsmummy1 Thu 19-Dec-13 08:29:37

BFN this morning. I bought a twin pack of early preg tests called Sure Sign which has 15ml sensitivity. Very good value for money actually, but bfn yesterday and bfn this morn. I was probably being stupidly hopeful because of that slight spotting a few days ago, I guess I've still got a few more days to go so you never know. Witch due Christmas Day xxx

PunkyBubba Thu 19-Dec-13 09:53:24

Hi FedUp, good to hear from you, and I'm glad you are 'ok', in as much as you can be. I also know what you mean about everyone around you having a baby, and hearing about it.. I want to be happy for them.. but at the moment it's marred by feelings of envy and my own loss. It will be our turn soon though!

Thanks Geta :-) Nice to know you are still lurking and thinking of us.xx

Sorry to hear you've had a bad night Sebs :-( I hope Sebby is feeling better today? Fingers crossed it is just too early at the mo, and you will get your Christmas BFP.xxx

Still not noticing any CM which is a bit weird as I normally get it for a few days before Ov. Still BD though.. I should Ov on Saturday, as looking at previous charts it is normally on day 13. Oh well, we'll see. Been waiting to get back to ttc since mid Oct, and now the time is here I feel surprisingly deflated.. like I know it's not going to work already.


2beornot Thu 19-Dec-13 10:11:36

Hi ladies. I'm still lurking!

Sebsmummy - I think you were right to reignite the thread. And it started with such positive news. Fingers crossed the cm is a good sign. I'm not as au fait with my cm as you are with yours but I certainly get more of it before a BFP. Couldn't say if it was creamy or slippery though!!

Fedup - glad you're ok (whatever ok means!!!). I know after mmc there was a time when I'd accepted it. I still thought about it all the time and got upset but it felt different. Take each day as it comes. And remember that just because you've gone back to work doesn't mean you can't phone in sick if you're having a low morning.

Hope Santa brings everyone BFPs!

sebsmummy1 Thu 19-Dec-13 13:33:46

I just feel very limboed right now. I want to know one way or the other lol. I know I have about five days left till the witch will no doubt appear, but that feels like an age away.

There are no symptoms to spot so I'm searching 'no symptoms' online lol. It's so sad sadwink

sebsmummy1 Thu 19-Dec-13 16:57:00

Pooh I just got a wet feeling and there is a lot of cloudy non stretchy cm when I wipe. Don't think I've had that before at this stage.

sebsmummy1 Thu 19-Dec-13 16:57:17

That should have read ooooh lol

fedupofrainydays Thu 19-Dec-13 20:18:18

Fx sebs. Sounds promising, it really does. But try (I know imposs) forget about it til Boxing Day and test then. Then it will be a great surprise once Christmas Day fun is over!

Decided to have some wine and feeling drunk after a few sips. Not sure my body is ready for the drink onslaught that is Christmas. Given I'm not pregnant i want to enjoy all the illegal cheese, meats, , port and bubbles so hope body decides it can cope! Would much rather be pregnant and feeling sick tho... sad

2beornot Thu 19-Dec-13 22:47:00

Yes seb, wait as long as poss though before poas. Does sound positive though!!!

Fedup - definitely treat yourself. You deserve it and you don't know when it'll be banned again! (Hopefully for most of 2014!!)

sebsmummy1 Thu 19-Dec-13 23:26:15

Thanks girls. I wish I felt more positive but unknown you all know this feeling very well when it starts getting close to D Day and there's been a few interesting signs. Ok will sit in my hands.

sebsmummy1 Thu 19-Dec-13 23:26:35

On my hands lol.

fedupofrainydays Fri 20-Dec-13 07:07:06

punky have your last cycle or two been funny as well? Mine were all over place after first mc so kind of assume they will do it again now. Although hoping not as bad given mc was loads earlier.
Good to Dtd anyway even without cm. but I know how disheartening it is when body doesn't do what it's supposed to be doing.

zippy how's it going? Sorry silly af was 6 days late. What a bitch. Hope things will start to settle down for you now you have stopped bf.

Good luck sebs try keep busy doing other things. I'm not looking forward to the 2 ww hell again, it's just the worst! Fx for you


sebsmummy1 Fri 20-Dec-13 08:50:52

Argh i had one more test and I had to do it didn't i.

BFN of course!!!

Fucking fucking fucking fuck.

zippygeorgebungle Fri 20-Dec-13 09:37:51

doesn't count sebs! it wouldn't show yet I dont think? with my first (saying that makes me feel more like there will be more...) didnt get a bfp until well after af date. I suggest trying not to test until after christmas, though I am rubbish and actually tested last night after having AF on the basis of sore nipples.

Quite possibly the most irrational poas anyone has ever done ever. I thought what if AF came anyway and it was just super heavy implantation bleeding. Funnily enough a bfn.I am officially ridiculous.

fedup, your strength is quite inspiring and i am so pleased you have popped in to say hello. We would have been worrying about you more otherwise! Take care xx

sebsmummy1 Fri 20-Dec-13 09:42:19

Oh zippy I love you. Thank god for the people in here making me feel less bonkers.

Cakebaker35 Fri 20-Dec-13 13:59:46

I've been lurking - hang in there sebs, the waiting is just crap isn't it.
I really should wait until at least Sunday to test but so tempted to run off to the shops and buy a cheapy test. Feel all bloated though so AF probably about to arrive sad

PunkyBubba Fri 20-Dec-13 14:26:49

Sebs, you are still in with a chance, don't give up yet!

FedUp, although my luteal phase has been messed up, I was still getting CM before ov.. and ov on Day 13 as I have since realised I have done ever since I starting charting in June. Still no sign of CM on underwear (am too squeamish to 'feel for it'), although I had some stomach pain last night, and this morning temperature has jumped right up so possibility I ov's yesterday. I did stay overnight at PIL's and they had the heating on all night, so now confused as wondering if that caused it! Also OPKs have been showing negatives so far.. so thinking it still might be to come. SOoooooo confused this week about it all.. just when I think I have it all nailed and I know exactly what my body is doing it changes on me!

Zippy, I now do P-tests throughout the month as I found out I was pregnant a week or so after full on normal period.. which turned out to be the ectopic. Now if I feel a slight twinge in my boobs (or yesterday had a bad day which felt like PMT) I just POAS to make sure. I think it is going to cost me a fortune in tests for the rest of my life at this rate!

2B, good to hear from you, hope you are doing ok.

Cake, fingers crossed it isn't AF this time.


sebsmummy1 Sat 21-Dec-13 09:59:55

Think I'm out guys. Light blood when I wipe. I'm cd 10 or 11, obviously not a proper flow yet but I think this is AF not a sign if anything positive.

My cycles are so short now! If I start AF today that's a 23 day cycle. They were never this short before I conceived my son.

I'm going yo use opks next cycle just to clarify when I'm ovulating and see if my LP is still 12 days.

Good luck everyone in their 2ww xxxx

fedupofrainydays Sat 21-Dec-13 11:16:22

Just woken up with an immense head ache. But it was so much fun!! I got in at 5.30am, silly girl. But then DH and I dtd! It was really good fun sex, none of this ttc malarkey. Just like the old days smile

I've not been out properly in ages so was a great release. And I got chatted up so many times and been given phone numbers by men. I'm just in shock. I thought I was too old for this! These men were suprised I was being faithful to my husband. Too many people cheat out there.. Do people not believe in manogamy any more?! I married DH for a reason and no matter how gorgeous you are, am not cheating on him!

How is everyone else? Oh sebs, just read you think af is here sad what a bitch. All sounded so promising. I was so hopeful for you. The witch can be so cruel. Hugs xxxx

punky how confusing. I go by cm too so not sure what I would do if it didnt arrive. I'm also too grossed out to check my own cervix position and cm up there, so you aren't alone on that one. Wish I could but just can't!!! I would keep
Dtd every couple of days this month if you can, jic. And see what temp does when back in normal heating place! Sometimes all the cm can stay up, so you may well have ov'd.

Now I've stopped bleeding am officially back on the ttc wagon. Not really this month as no clue re timings etc and would prefer to get one cycle out the way...

I also POAS throughout cycle. Even after af! Costs me a fortune but can't help it!!

zippygeorgebungle Sat 21-Dec-13 14:21:44

fedup, you sound in great form. Impressed in the extreme.

sebs, are you certain. boo hiss if so. and lots of christmas drinks at least. short cycles mean more chances, I suppose.

punka, you made me do the other test in the pack! no need to state the obvious response.

CBFM tells me today, day 12 is the first day of medium fertility. i ovulate late (day 24 last month) so here is hoping for peak fertility at bit earlier. although i am crazy busy trying to finish work, wrap, buy last few presents, buy food for christmas dinner and subsequent buffets etc so fitting in dtd is almost another thing on the list at the moment. smile

sebsmummy1 Sat 21-Dec-13 16:40:20

Nah im not certain, but i pretty sure she is on her way.

Fed up that was such a brilliant post, love it!!

My OH works next door to some company that makes fertility monitors and they analyse the results or something. I have no idea how it is different from Clear blue, persona etc but he is going to go in in the New Year and have a word.

Lucyjojo Sat 21-Dec-13 22:43:45

Hi ladies, I wondered if I could join you? My DD turned 2 at the start of November and I am just coming to the end of cycle 6 of ttc #2, and it is definately driving me totally crazy! We took a bit of a back seat this month with DTD but I am holding on to a glimmer of hope that by giving up it will get me a BFP. I think AF is due on monday and am thinking of testing tomorrow morning. Have been getting cramps all day though so it doesn't look good.
Sebs I just wanted to say I am in a similar position to you, my cycles are very regular at 25/26 days, but the past few months AF has arrived early, giving me a cycle of 23 days, so I am a bit worried there is not enough time for implantation to occur. I have used OPKs once, but think I will use them again next cycle to check when I ovulate and see how long my LP is.
Hello to everyone else and hope you are looking forward to christmas!

sebsmummy1 Sun 22-Dec-13 08:55:26

Well the bitch appeared last night/ this morning. Obviously disappointed and pissed off but knew she was coming. So 24 day cycle, I suspect I ovulated on cd13. If it was cd12 then I had EWCM the day after which is a bit strange.

I'll use opks this cycle I think as I'm interested in what's going on now.

Least I know before Xmas I suppose. I had in my head this desire to give birth when I was 39. Need to throw that out the window now I think as time is running out for that to happen.

I feel like flouncing but I don't have the energy.

sebsmummy1 Sun 22-Dec-13 08:56:44

Hi Lucy. Sorry, didn't mean to ignore you, I'll be back more cheerful soon I'm sure. FX you get your BFP soon xxxxxxx

PunkyBubba Sun 22-Dec-13 09:56:07

So sorry Sebs :-( I know it isn't much comfort but as you say at least you know before xmas, so you can eat and drink all the naughty things. 2014 will be our year I'm sure!

Hi Lucy, welcome to the madhouse. I think OPKs are good.. well if you actually see anything! They worked really well for me before the ectopic, and nothing since, not even a hint of a line :-(

Zippy, sorry you did your last test because of me.

FedUp, glad you had a good night out on Friday :-) Those nights are so important to get back on an even keel.

Well basal temperature went straight back down to normal pre-ov temps since I've been back home so the temp spike must have been due to in-laws having heating on all night. Still nothing on OPKs, a bit of CM on underwear, etc though wouldn't say EWCM so maybe will ov today or tomorrow.. DH has been a real pain this week as far as DTD goes.. I ended up in tears last night after he said he was too tired Friday night so we'd do it in the morning.. Then in the morning DS woke up very early and was shouting from his bedroom, so DH said we'd DTD when DS has his afternoon nap.. But then his football team were on the radio, so that didn't happen either.. so after wearing my sexy underwear all day I of course just assumed we would do it at bedtime, but DH looked at me like I was mad and just said 'it's 11pm, I'm knackered' and turned the light off. I was so upset and angry, but managed to say 'well I assume we will give it a go in the morning?' He replied huffily 'well you will have to set the alarm for 6.30', so I did. Then once he was asleep I had a good sob. I don't understand why he is being such an a*se about it! It's difficult enough after waiting all this time since the ectopic. I'm temping, doing OPK's, taking conception vitamins, trying not to drink too much alcohol, etc.. and finally it gets to the fertile period and he decides after doing it a couple of times earlier in the week to be difficult when it gets to the 'peak' time!!! Anyway, so we DTD this morning, and I am hoping that is it for this cycle because I can't be doing with feeling like I'm trying to force him, or walking on eggshells about it. He supposedly wants this as much as me.. am so hacked off today. :-(

Lucyjojo Sun 22-Dec-13 11:16:07

Thanks for the welcome. So sorry AF arrived Sebs, it is just so shit isn't it. I POAS this morning, on two different sticks, and they were both negative so it looks like I'm just waiting for AF to arrive tomorrow. I know it really is no consolation but at least we can enjoy some wine and cheese and smoked salmon over christmas, I was wondering how I would have explained the not drinking to my family if I had got my BFP. It is definately better to have found out now and not on christmas day, at least we can move on a little bit and just enjoy the day with our DCs.
Punky poor you. I know how you feel about desperately feeling the need to DTD when you get to your fertile period and DH just not being interested, they just don't feel the desperation the same way as us do they! I hope you have managed to DTD enough this cycle and can relax a bit and enjoy christmas now.

sebsmummy1 Sun 22-Dec-13 11:42:32

Yep yep and yep Punky.

Totally understand and nodding head. Have been there.

Obviously slightly different as don't have the pressure of what you have just experienced and all your emotions, but we have had the 'I'm too knackered' 'we'll do it in the morning'. Then I'm left trying to get a rise out of a totally shattered bloke who obviously isn't interested at 6am and I feel attractive and desirable as hell. Not.

Of course then after the 2ww the bitch appears again and you're left wondering if the one time you didn't shag was the one time you should have.

I cancelled Christmas this morning. I honestly can't be arsed. OHs dad is terminal ill in hospital, my father is extremely ill at home with my Mum trying to care for him. DS hasn't a clue. I just want to throw myself under a bus. We all have bad colds so I can't even taste anything. The last thing I feel like doing is trying to pretend I'm happy and getting all the table pretty etc.

This time last year I can remember us eating Christmas dinner with DS breast feeding at the table on a nursing cushion so I had both hands free to eat grin. The knot thing that could have topped that was me getting a BFP but obviously wasn't meant to be.

The whole thing is bullshit. I don't even drink do I can't get pissed lol. I should probably start.

sebsmummy1 Sun 22-Dec-13 11:43:57

Knot - only

Cakebaker35 Sun 22-Dec-13 15:30:10

Ah Sebs, so sorry the bitch has arrived and I don't blame you for not being arsed with Christmas with everything you have going on. I would recommend several wine but as you don't drink I'm passing you a cake here's to a brighter new year for you.

Punky, very sorry about the stresses of DTD, it definitely takes its toll all this trying at the 'right' times! Cannot wait for sex life to just be about fun again tbh! I find it v stressful which is part of the reason I've wimped out not used opks yet, I think I'll just get very obsessed.

Welcome Lucy, I'm a lurker here but chip in once in a while!

Having got a BFN on Friday, AF still hasn't made an appearance so now I don't know what to do. Today is day 28 for me but I have had anything from 25 - 32 day cycles so just feel in limbo - and no idea about what to do about Christmas!! We will be away with family so should I do another test before going on Xmas eve?? Help! Arghhhhhh.

fedupofrainydays Sun 22-Dec-13 18:00:56

Hey ladies. Sorry sebs, stupid witch. I don't blame you either for sacking off Christmas. Hopefully you like cheese and / or pâté so can eat lots of them instead of the booze mission that I'm on! Although my two day hangover makes me feel I don't want to be a drinker any more!! ;) although still laughing about Fridays events.

I'm so with you all on DTD fatigue and having to dtd with a husband that isn't always up for it. It's so not true that men always want sex. We struggle with nights too. But as the months ticked by, DH took it more seriously. We went for every other day tho during fertile period. Every day was far too tiring when at work / have a toddler.

I would just carry on as norm cake and test if af doesn't show. Bit if you want to know then test on Christmas Eve!

Welcome lucy. I'm a proper veteran on this thread! I can get very nutty, hence why I've tried to calm down on the obsessiveness of temping and opks etc. got pregnant last month after ttc for 10 months since mc in feb but unfortunately miscarried again. Currently, just trying to enjoy Christmas (if poss) and get back on ttc next year.

Cakebaker35 Sun 22-Dec-13 18:05:50

Thanks fedup. And I'm so very sorry about your mc, just shows I should read threads more closely. Wishing you all the very best for better news in 2014 and meanwhile hope you enjoy Christmas getting hammered grin

sebsmummy1 Sun 22-Dec-13 20:13:55

Ok I have cried and cried and howled today and am now sort of calm again.

I need a new plan now because TTC is depressing me and it's not healthy that my efforts are being solely concentrated on an area that is just bringing me misery. Everything I read regarding short cycles tells me I am now in peri menopause country and I an going to have to assume that either it won't happen or it could take a very very long time. My only plus is I seem to ovulate in the middle of my short cycle, so at least it seems a pregnancy could be viable.

Anyhow. I need to start looking for jobs now or start thinking about self employment. I am sick of having nothing to accomplish or stride for in the day. I know raising DS is an accomplishment in itself but I have a feeling I'll only really know if I succeeded there when he is about 25!!

Can I ask what everyone else does for a living?

fedupofrainydays Sun 22-Dec-13 20:45:25

No worries cakebaker. And I hope 2014 is better for all of us!!

sebs you are exactly how I was about 4 months ago. It is definately the right thing to do, ie focus on something other than having another baby. Life before (second) baby should not be miserable. I spent too much of 2013 and my little boys second year of life being miserable and moping. Which in turn made me more miserable as I was upset I wasn't enjoying the life I was having with ds and was preoccupied with ttc #2.
Yeah. I'm a management consultant. Really hard job to have with children as its v stressful, fast paced and involved a lot of travel. So I don't recommend it!!

fedupofrainydays Sun 22-Dec-13 20:46:52

Ps. Am planning to change my career but in early stages of planning at the mo so bit too nervous to reveal all. But I will be self employed!!

sebsmummy1 Mon 23-Dec-13 09:33:41

Yep I think you're right. I've woken up this morning feeling a bit brighter. Think I'll leave this thread for a bit and just hide the conception area for a few months, see if I can concentrate on other stuff.

Really really hope you all get your BFPs soon. If anything has taught me a lesson this whole experience has. I really really took my fertility for granted, never gave it a second thought. Now if anyone talks about their struggle to conceive I will truly understand it. Terrible the pain it can cause xxxxx

fedupofrainydays Mon 23-Dec-13 09:55:10

Good plan sebs. Sorry to see you go for a while but we will be here when you fancy saying hello! And PM me any time!
Much love xx

Cakebaker35 Mon 23-Dec-13 11:37:41

All the best sebs and hope to see you back here soon x

zippygeorgebungle Mon 23-Dec-13 18:08:28

oh no, see you soon hopefully sebs with news of your bfp. And do remember that in terms of post bfing you are in early days. If it helps, obviously. If it doesn't, please ignore.

if you are worried about peri menopause bloods may help reassure you? they did for me. and if there is any problem it might help them to remedy it.
you've been a good support sebs xx

zippygeorgebungle Mon 23-Dec-13 18:08:51

blood tests, I meant.

fedupofrainydays Mon 23-Dec-13 22:09:45

So I went back to EPU to see the doctor. She couldn't have been more nice really. And empathetic. She got me and my situation and didnt fob me off with stats and medical jargon. Phewf. She's said if I get pregnant again she will scan me at 6 weeks to find it and check if viable. But if I don't get pregnant - she said not to stay stressing for another 10 months but to come back and she will start the testing process. I just feel so much better as more supported than by that stupid GP who said she wouldn't help me for 2 years. What a difference.

I think I'm ovulating too. I've got some ewcm. Bit scared of it all now but also want a baby so got to be done... Eeek.

Met one of my NCT friends today. Patronising moment - "oh it's just so much harder with two". Yeah I know. And I know it will be tough. But I'm sure no tougher than ttc hell. Well at least a different kind of tough.

Cakebaker35 Tue 24-Dec-13 08:29:38

Great news fedup that you've found someone who is being helpful, glad things are feeling brighter and fingers crossed for you.

Day 30 here and still no sign of AF (this is a long cycle for me) but got BFN this morning. Sigh.

fedupofrainydays Tue 24-Dec-13 08:47:00

cake it's so frustrating isn't it. I'd have a few drinks and naughty things to eat as even if you are pregnant, nothing passes to baby til over 4 wks anyway. So I would relax over Christmas and try and enjoy!!

Think I'm going to have a funny cycle this one as well... Boobs feel weird and v bloated. Think hormones are going a bit mental post mc.

fedupofrainydays Wed 25-Dec-13 12:38:53

Happy Christmas ladies to you and your families. Lets enjoy it with DC1 and 2014 will be our year for #2. Much love xx

Cakebaker35 Sat 28-Dec-13 14:22:03

Just checking back in with you all, hoping you all had a fantastic festive time?

I drank my own body weight in port so it's all a bit of a blur here. Still no AF and still BFN! 34 day cycle for me, never ever had one this long! Stupidly got my hopes up that maybe, just maybe if I did another test today I'd get a BFP, but nope, I'm still being a nut job about it all.

Now where did I put that port....

fedupofrainydays Sat 28-Dec-13 16:29:38

Ha ha, I love port! I've drank every day since Xmas eve and off out tonight for a birthday too!
Think I haven't ovulated this month but suppose after mc that isn't unusual.
Sorry about the weird cycle / bfn scenario. I hate it when af is uncharacteristically late...
Right - just got new laptop. It's all modern and touch screen! Here goes figuring this one out...

zippygeorgebungle Sat 28-Dec-13 18:33:36

.cake, I was late this month too and it made the bfn somehow worse. let's hope it is your turn for bfp, we need some on here!

This has been my first christmas of drinking too in a while, i was bfing last year and pregnant before that.Day 19 here but several days of high fertility (not peak) on the clear blue monitor. Trying to remind myself this is only cycle 2 post bfing. Consultant was clear that my hormones were that of a woman bfing and I have unusually low FSH (supposedly a good sign aged 35?) consistent with bfing but undoubtedly in his view likely to be causing conception trouble - should be fine once settled down. I suppose it is just a case of waiting for my body to readjust, but no idea how long this takes. I still leak a little milk occasionally (I always had tonnes of milk from late pregnancy onwards). I forgot to ask the consultant how long, foolishly. I'm sure it would have come with some warnings about every body being different anyway.

It's great we know so much more than our grandmothers would have done, but I sometimes wonder if all the knowledge makes it tougher for us too, oddly enough. Though actually my gran, in her 90s who has many children, said to me bfing was a great way to space out children so maybe they were using the same timing techniques we are for the opposite purpose.

Cakebaker35 Sun 29-Dec-13 11:27:19

Well AF finally made an appearance today - so this is officially my longest ever cycle grrr.

Thanks fedup and zippy, it is definitely worse with all the hanging about and waiting, feel better already now just knowing we can get cracking again soon!! And yes zippy I think all the knowledge is a double edged sword sometimes - but mind you if we were back in the day we'd all have about 7 children each wouldn't we by the time we were 25!

Fingers and toes crossed for lots of BFPs in 2014!

fedupofrainydays Sun 29-Dec-13 22:57:57

Sorry af rocked up cake. So annoying when she's late.

Yeah, I said to the doc at EPU that I just know too much. Wish I was ignorant about ttc and could just relax and it would have happened. But true... Back in the day we would have popped them all out by this age and have a few grandkids of our own!

PunkyBubba Mon 30-Dec-13 12:15:52

Hey girls, sorry I haven't written in a while, been hectic with Christmas, etc, and also pretty confused about my cycle and didnt want to just ramble on here. If you are still lurking Sebs am sorry to see you go, though understand your reasons.. Hope to see you back when you are ready.

So basically the reason I am confused is that for months I have ov'd on cycle day 13, before and after the EP. Last month I ov'd on day 13, but cycle was only 22 days long.. which is unusual for me. This cycle I am on day 22, and still not ov'd. DTD every other day preceding day 13, but think I might have mentioned on here I wasn't getting EWCM.. that didnt come until day 16 or 17.. and finally on Friday I got a pos OPK (day 19), and again on Sunday.. I was out all day yesterday so didnt test, but this morning still no temp rise!!! Also been nauseous, and having pains on both sides for days.. I usually get a bit of ov pain, but it tends to be short-lived, and I don't normally get nausea with it! Anyway, as I previously mentioned DH got fed up of DTD well before Christmas though I convinced him on Friday night after the pos opk.. now I just feel very deflated again and hacked off about it all. I just want this cycle to end, and hope the next one will be more normal! This was meant to be the first cycle ttc again since the EP and it has basically been a total washout as far as I am concerned :-(

I've been making the most of being able to drink this Christmas too.. mulled wine, sloe gin, and quite a few Tia Maria coffees :-) Really hoping next year will be different though.. xxx

zippygeorgebungle Mon 30-Dec-13 15:49:48

oh punky,boo hiss.

day 20 here and lots of high fertility but no peak. I think I had all the OV signs yesterday but no peak. fed up of the whole thing now! x

fedupofrainydays Tue 31-Dec-13 16:44:00

Just a quick one to cheers in the happy new year with you! 2014 has to be a good year for us all. 2013 has been utterly shite and I'm so glad to see the back of it. Actually feel all emotional about it and burst into tears on way back from my trip to shops... Thank god it was raining or all passers by would have thought I'm nuts which we all know I am

Sorry to hear about weird cycles and weird ovulation timings - I believe 2014 is going to sort it all out for us and we will have our dc 2s next year - whoop! Xxxx

PunkyBubba Tue 31-Dec-13 18:35:58

Totally agree FedUp.. 2014 will be the year for us all. Am glad to see the back of 2013 (apart from the getting married bit which was a rare highlight)..

Got a high temp this morning, well .2 higher than it has been.. so am hoping this is it.. will see tomorrow! All this hassle just to ov!

Happy New Year everyone.. Looking forward to a quiet night in as DH is ill so other plans cancelled. Hope you're all doing something nice.xxx

fedupofrainydays Wed 01-Jan-14 14:11:10

Happy new year! We are now in 2014 and it's gonna be a great one!

Yay for a temp rise punky - phewf!

Got pretty drunk last night but I didn't cry which is more than I can say for yesterday afternoon!! Head hurts today so chilling on sofa watching toy story with DS

2beornot Wed 01-Jan-14 14:43:26

Happy new year, ladies. Hope you're doing ok. I hope 2014 is the year you get your longed for babies (or BFPs at the least).

Fedup - I agree with you about 2013 being a pile of shit. I burst into tears during auld lang syne last night. Hopefully the new year can help us put the anguish behind us x

Cakebaker35 Wed 01-Jan-14 18:35:41

Happy new everyone and here's hoping all our mad cycles calm down and we get a load of BFPs.

Felt ridiculously emotional earlier after chatting to someone who suggested I might not be ovulating at all given my slightly all over the place cycle. Hadn't even occurred to me that that might be what's going on so now I'm fretting about it. Looks like I'll have to start using opks to find out! So much for my attempts at a calm and relaxed approach to TTC!!! Bloody body!

zippygeorgebungle Wed 01-Jan-14 20:06:47

How long have you been TTC cakebaker? I was very surprised to find I was possibly not OVing. I had periods as regular as clockwork, an instantly conceived one year old, and had been trying for 6 month. Also, the OPKs always showed a smiley each month, I used them from the second month of trying. It was the day 21 blood tests that showed no/late OV. so maybe the GP could confirm it to put your mind at rest? With me it is is the bfing that was to blame. But if you weren't OVing this is something that can be remedied it seems.

My CB fertility monitor is causing me confusion. So many days of high fertility (11 days now!) but no peak. I am not convinced it was £100 well spent but it is making me get lots of trying in at least.

Statistically, surely there will be some BFPs on here soon. Bring them on!

Cakebaker35 Wed 01-Jan-14 21:36:40

Hi Zippy, only off the pill in oct and not been very scientific about when etc as was just waiting for my cycle to calm down a bit, plus Dec a right off with work commitments etc getting in the way. So I doubt GP would do anything yet?

Jakeyblueblue Thu 02-Jan-14 22:29:01

Hi everyone,
I haven't read the whole thread, only the last couple if pages, but found it really interesting and was hoping I could pick your brains / join in.
Bit of background. Am 34 with a 2.6 yr old ds. Tried for sometime to conceive him but dh was working awful hrs at the time and I'd come off depo so think neither thing helped. Am still bf ds, periods came back when he was 14 months. Had a very short LP for a lot of the following cycles but since I day weaned about 4 months ago, I've had regular 29 day cycles. Have temped and opk'd and am pretty sure I'm ovulating but still not pregnant hmm
Zippy was this what happened to you? I see you've written about bf being the cause. Everyone I speak to tells me how easy it is to fall pregs whilst bf but it's not my experience at all. Any advice would be much appreciated. smile

fedupofrainydays Fri 03-Jan-14 07:30:53

I didn't get proper periods back til I stopped bf altogether jakey. But my ds was only 9 / 10 months. I first got preg again when ds was 14 months (first time we tried but then miscarried and still here with just another mc to show for it)

cake just lie a bit about how long trying and ask for a day 21 test - most doctors will offer you this if you are worried about not ovulating. I was offered it 4 months after mc after I said I was worried i wasn't ovulating after my mc.

zippy I've heard mixed reviews about the cbfm but mostly positive from RL people and just more neg on MN. It could be that your body is gearing up to ov at its 'usual' time but actually only releases the egg later hence the late / no ov. In theory the progesterone test should happen 7 days before af arrives. Tricky if like me your cycles are all over the place!!! I think somewhere I read to go on your longest cycle and do 7 days back from there.

So I'm in the 2 ww of my wtf cycle. DH is upstairs being ill and I feel like af is on its way. Was going to POAS this morn for a laugh but then decided to wait it out. I don't actually know when af is due tho - I think some time next week.

How are you doing punky?

PunkyBubba Fri 03-Jan-14 20:20:25

Hey everyone,

I'm ok thanks, temps did go up and FertilityFriend has given me an ov date of day 20, last Saturday, and we bd'd on the Friday.. so in the 2ww now, and hoping for a decent luteal phase this month, though skin has broken out like crazy in spots which has been a recent sign (since EP) of upcoming AF.. just like when I was a teenager(!) so will see..

Been a bit hectic last few days. DH has man flu, and DS (2 yrs old) ended up in hospital (minor injuries unit) yesterday in lots of pain with a dislocated elbow.. GPs this morning about that and other things, and back to hospital as his arm still wasn't better, and then sent to an A&E in another hospital where they finally fixed it.. fun fun fun.

Another one happy to see the back of 2013.. we didn't even stay up on NYE, DH was just starting with the man flu, and went to bed at 10pm, and I was tired so just went at the same time (knowing I had no back up if DS had a bad night). Our bottle of bubbly is still in the fridge unopened!

I'm sorry I can't help about the no ov queries.. I got pregnant with the Ectopic on the 2nd month of trying (2 months after coming off the pill) so am assuming everything is working in that department for me (just my tube that failed us) though no idea what impact the ectopic has had on ovulation... I guess I will see in time.

Hope everyone's start to the New Year has been a bit more fun than mine! Am actually looking forward to go back to work next Monday for a rest :-)


fedupofrainydays Sat 04-Jan-14 07:32:11

Hi punky phewf what a few days for your family! Hope you are ok and DS has been mended.
Welcome to the 2 ww with me. Although I don't actually know if I've ovulated and having weird cramps so this is a funny cycle for sure (but as expected as first since mc)

I'm dreading going back to work sad

PunkyBubba Sat 04-Jan-14 14:13:58

Well after only DTD once in the fertile period, an extra long cycle, and expecting AF any day (not to mention now being a uni-tuber) I am not expecting much this month. It would be a miracle to get a BFP this cycle.

I'm only really looking forward to going back to work as I am kind of changing jobs.. going back to travelling with work rather than wfh. I liked the convenience of wfh, but hated my role and never seeing anyone (apart from DH who also wfh!). Anyway, looking forward to something a bit more challenging, being a part of the human race again, and some me-time in the evenings.. I only work a 3 day week so only will be away 2 nights so it is just enough without missing DH and DS too much.

zippygeorgebungle Sat 04-Jan-14 17:43:20

Hi jakey, I am about the same age as you, and one baby who is nearly 2, conceived instantly. Bf her until early November but it was down to once a day in the evening (and the odd 3am feed...). Periods came back when she was nearly one. TTC since April/May. Periods were regular, appearing on day 27, just as before DD.

In late Sept, after 6 cycles, I went to the GP. Surprisingly, perhaps, given I was bfing, 35 and had a DD conceived first cycle, she ordered blood tests at day 3 and day 21, and a scan. Scan was perfectly normal. The day 21 tests indicated I was not OVing, but I am fairly sure that was because the cycle was unusually long that month, unhelpfully. However, I wanted more answers when the blood tests were unusual, and the GP didnt seem to know, so I paid to see a consultant in November. £200 and an appointment the same week. GP wrongly assured me that Bfing would make no difference as I have regular periods and was once a day.

Consultant is quite an eminent chap, runs an IVF clinic, seems to know his stuff. Anyway, he took one look at the day 3 results and said a) he thought I was ovulating, and b) he could see I had very low FSH levels. Low FSH is a good sign because it gets high when you are peri menopausal.Low is caused by excessive exercise, being underweight or bfing. With me, he was confident it was recent bfing as I am normal weight and don't exercise too much.

A couple of months on, I've stopped bfing but still leak milk occasionally (I always had lots and carried on bfing even when working FT hours). He has suggested I leave it a bit then have some scans through the cycle to check when OV is happening. I cling on to the words in the letter that say there is a good chance of conceiving without assistance now bfing has ceased. fingers crossed. good luck. x

Jakeyblueblue Sun 05-Jan-14 23:23:02

Thanks everyone. smile
Zippy that's really interesting. I think we may have crossed paths before on another thread too!
Sounds like we are at the same sort of stage with this ttc lark! I've decided I'm going to night wean at the end of the week, leaving just a bed time feed to see if that helps.
I think I will stick around guys if that's ok. Nice to chat with some people who understand how frustrating this all is!

sebsmummy1 Mon 06-Jan-14 09:11:37

Hiya girls. Happy new year to us all xxx

Well I have bitten the bullet and made a doctors appointment for tomorrow. I, possibly very stupidly, used my christmas money to buy a clearblue fertility monitor, and all it's managed to do is make me feel even more disconcerted.

I honestly have no idea if I'm ovulating or not. I started it on cd7 instead of cd5, which might not have helped. But is thrown up a high from cd 10 to cd16 and I think missed my surge (if there was one). Just looking at the test sticks has made me feel as though my hormones are fucked. There is no obvious sign of oestrogen rising and my LH line has stayed pretty static. The only sticks that look that different are around cd11/cd12 so I'm going to assume if I did ovulate, it was probably around that time.

The only things that are positive is my post partum hair loss has finally stopped, which could be an indication if hormones stabilising.

Hopefully zippy might be able to sympathise with me re the fertility monitor I remember yours was throwing you lots if highs too.

Cakebaker35 Mon 06-Jan-14 09:18:48

Happy new year everyone and sebs I really hopes the docs tomorrow is helpful, keep us posted. I've just about managed to resist buying the clearblue monitor, think I'd better give opks a go first of all.

Giving everyone a wave who is still TTC and still a nut job, no change here.

fedupofrainydays Mon 06-Jan-14 09:21:45

Hi sebs welcome back!!!! Just a quick one re cbfm I have heard it takes a few months to figure you out.

Glad you are back and got a doctor appt in the diary smile


weebairn Mon 06-Jan-14 09:23:59


I've turned into a nutjob and only on month one. I thought I would be MORE relaxed with number 2 but it seems not! Everything I've been reading (except things trying to sell you stuff!) says fertility experts advise not monitoring (as it can be inaccurate/stressful) and having lots of sex throughout the whole cycle, so that's the approach I'm taking… however if it doesn't work for a few months or more I may re-think!

I am still bf but having regular periods. I think that means you're USUALLY fertile? Unless you have known problems? Eep! Step away from Dr Google and keep shagging, that's my philosophy…

Let's have some BFPs soon ladies! smile

sebsmummy1 Mon 06-Jan-14 10:10:03

Ha ha weebairn xxxxx. I think the problem with the internet is sometimes information is too readily available and you end up convincing yourself you have things wrong with you when maybe you don't. God knows lol!!

Yep fed up you are right. People do talk about it needing a few cycles. I think if the sticks had given me a bit more variety in the readings I might have felt better but they just look so similar. But if any good has come of it I guess it has pushed me into making a docs appointment and who knows, it might help.

fedupofrainydays Mon 06-Jan-14 10:21:48

I was just talking about dr google yesterday and it's pros and cons. Pros - self diagnosis when gp is shit or can't get to see one. Cons - we know more than the doctors!!

Welcome wee. All total nutters here. Month one I was quite sane, a year down the line and two mc later am an official top of the league nut job!!

zippygeorgebungle Mon 06-Jan-14 16:14:17

oh nice to see you back sebs - did you de-cancel Christmas?!

Yes my CBFM was indeed showing lots of highs, but it also showed me I got to peak much later than I ever would have thought. In fact I got to peak on day 24 last month which meant a short luteal phase though I gather that's common post bfing? Last month, AF showed up on day 33, six cruel days late.

This month it was highs day 11 to day 26 (?!) but I think once you get a high it stays high until peak occurs, not sure though. If you are using it for longer than the 5 seconds I think it can affect it too.

Some blood tests from GP should help reassure you re hormones? A day 3 and a day 21? good luck. AF was due for me yesterday but has been late the last three months (after being regular my whole life until the point I am actually obsessing about it!) so don't suppose it counts. Not even tested but fairly sure I'm out this month. I actually savour the days of being late now, they're the nearest I get to a BFP, tragically enough!

sebsmummy1 Mon 06-Jan-14 16:46:39

Oh yes, that lovely 'what if?' bubble. Can totally relate and I too have sought sanctuary within it, not wanting to know either way until the bitch shows up. Obviously hoping and praying there's a positive outcome for you xxxx

Yep I assume it will be the 3/21 test. I'm strangely resigned to me being infertile now actually. I've gone through the excitement months and through the hopeful months and now I'm in the probable peri-menopause zone where I'm feeling very very grateful to have my son.

That's very interesting to hear about your late ovulation and yep, very common whilst breast feeding and soon after.

I've been looking back at my FF app and my charts. My first chart was October (still bfing). I ovulated on cd 16 and had a 28 day cycle with 12 day LP. Before that my LP were around 9 days and I can remember bleeding very heavily which I suspect pointed towards the cycles being anovulatory.

Since November I am now having regular 25 day cycles with ovulation taking place on cd12/13/ - 12 day LP. I have absolutely no idea what used to be normal for me pre DS. But I do remember assuming I had a 28 day cycle and then AF always appearing early. So I think I did have short cycles previously, but not this short.

Anyway, docs will probably ok the tests and I'll find out whether I'm screwed or not soon enough. If I don't have the egg reserves then there is nowt they can do, I shall just have to suck it up.

sebsmummy1 Mon 06-Jan-14 16:49:43

Sorry, yep christmas was back on day before Christmas Eve and we had a lovely time thank you xxxx

zippygeorgebungle Mon 06-Jan-14 17:13:21

I'm not sure the blood tests will tell you you're screwed, Sebs. I think they might tell you that you're OVing (if progesterone is high on day 21) which would be helpful to know. They might also give you the FSH readings from day 3. High isn't a great sign as it does get higher the older we get (was strangely pleased consultant said mine were very low and much lower than he'd expect at 35 even though this low is actually the reason for fertility being suppressed by the BFing)

Crikey, just a few months ago, I wouldn't have even understood this post myself. We all learn so much during this process don't we?!

Glad Christmas was not cancelled after all. Good luck at GPs. Don't be fobbed off. x

sebsmummy1 Mon 06-Jan-14 20:27:19

Well let's see what they say tomorrow. I imagine they will do the tests because if my she and the length of time we have been TTC.

I've just done a little calculation based on my sons conception time and when I had my period that month and it seems to indicate I was having a 25 day cycle that month with ovulation on day 13. I know I can't be totally accurate as not every pregnancy is 38 weeks from conception but it's made me feel a bit happier stupidly xx

sebsmummy1 Mon 06-Jan-14 20:28:07

Age not she lol

zippygeorgebungle Mon 06-Jan-14 20:33:06

how long have you been ttc sebs? x

sebsmummy1 Mon 06-Jan-14 20:38:34

Since July.

sebsmummy1 Tue 07-Jan-14 12:29:31

Well I had a reaction from the doctor that I wasn't expecting!! He really wasn't interested and wasn't prepared to run any tests.

He was the resident doc that deals with fertility issues and he said it is still early days. He would count a year from the time we started trying, it's only 6 months now. That even if he did decide to do the tests if I wasn't pregnant by another 6 months it would only be in preparation for referral which would basically be for self funded IVF at 5k a pop.

I don't know whether to be relieved that he was so presumptuous that is be knocked up soon enough with no intervention needed. Or pissed off that he couldn't give a shiny shite about my baron womb.

The only plus point was I didn't cry!!

Just to add salt in my wounds we met a little girl in there one week older than my son who was saying full words and being really sociable. My son was in turn pulling his 'weasel face' (head tilted, face contorted, eyes squeezed shut) and cooing like a pigeon.

God I am a failure on all fronts lol

zippygeorgebungle Tue 07-Jan-14 17:33:57

that all sounds rubbish, sorry to hear that Sebs.It's difficult to see what harm at least doing some blood tests would do, surely they would tell you if OV was happening etc?

BFN here today and then AF turned up just to confirm things. Really fed up of all this now, it feels like it isn't going to happen. sad sad

sebsmummy1 Tue 07-Jan-14 18:57:26

Oh darling I'm so sorry the bitch has turned up sad. I try and have a good look at the info I gleaned from the cycle and use it to make me feel more positive about the next one. Has this cycle changed from the last at all? Ovulation day different? LP longer?

You have lots of time so I can assure you it WILL happen. You have had really positive test results, you know there is nothing wrong with you thAt a bit more time won't correct. So don't feel down xxxx

sebsmummy1 Tue 07-Jan-14 18:58:22

He said if I was getting regular periods now I was ovulating hmm

fedupofrainydays Tue 07-Jan-14 19:43:35

How old are you sebs? I thought if over 35 it was only 6 months before they referred you? Although I think that differs of you already have a child. Did you specifically ask for tests? All sounds a bit rubbish, but in a weird way it's good the doc thinks you are fine.

zippy sorry bout period arriving. Rubbish.

Fed up is fed up. First day back at work today and sucked. And think my period is late but not pregnant so it's going to be a whole load of messed up cycle crap again after this mc sad and all my NCT want to meet up with babies as well as toddlers and I can't face being the only one without a second child sad

Sorry for the gloom, just feeling shitty at the mo xx

zippygeorgebungle Tue 07-Jan-14 20:12:27

Thanks sebs. Nobody knows in rl, so the support on here is lovely.I'm glad you're back smile

My GP said that about the ovulating too then changed her mind when she saw the blood tests and said my progesterone was 3 and it would be 30 if I was ovulating. The consultant then said I was OVing but very late.

Thinking about it, the GP is wrong too with you because if they did find a problem - eg you weren't ovulating (not that there is any reason to think that but just if that was it) - then there is stuff like Clomid that can fix that. Or if a scan showed something that needed fixing, that too could be done.

Poor fedup, I know exactlym exactly what you mean. I am having a really busy awful time at work too. I work a lot in the evening and at night so I can be with the baby a lot in the day but it is very tiring especially as the baby wakes up three times a night. My nct lot are great but are either with bump or baby except one who is trying soon, so it is really, really hard. I don't want to lose touch with them because we have bonded surprisingly well as a group but it is really difficult. I'm seeing them in my lunch time this week. I think you sound amazingly strong fedup.

PunkyBubba Tue 07-Jan-14 21:06:04

Hey all,

Welcome back Sebs - shocked your GP was so unhelpful, but it really does seem to be a lottery as to whether GPs are good (helpful/caring) or not.. I agree with Zippy though, in that Clomid is the next step (so I've heard from various sources) before IVF.. Is there another GP you could see for a 2nd opinion?

Zippy -Sorry to hear about AF :-(

I have spent the whole day on knicker-watch after some pink cm yesterday.. had a bit more today but not AF yet.. Part of me thinks 'woohoo could be implantation', whereas the logical part of me remembers the same thing happening last month and it was AF.. and I am just being tortured with hope that bit longer this month! Only positive is that today is 10dpo, so at least if AF doesnt come until tomorrow then my LP is 1 day longer this cycle.. (though the cycle itself is 30 days today, compare to 22 last cycle! Slightly messed up!

Fed up - sorry you are fed up :-( I'm so lucky that no one in my NCT group has had no 2 yet, or is even pregnant. Only me and 1 other are ttc at the moment. My best mate is 8 months though, and wants to talk baby gro's and vests this weekend (it will be her PFB).. I really want to be happy for her.. and was when she first became pregnant.. but that was when I thought I would only be a few months behind her!!

I've actually just turned Holby City off (on TV) as one of the characters was in the middle of giving birth.. and I just kept thinking 'b*tch'.

On that high note I'm off to phone DH.. last night away from home this week.. I get to go home to my boys tomorrow night :-)


sebsmummy1 Tue 07-Jan-14 21:13:13

I'm 39 in February, so knocking on 40. He wasn't fussed about my age either for some reason. Actually I too think he could be wrong re. the tests being pointless. But you know he was very fixed in what he was saying and it would have been a hiding to nothing to try and force him to do anything. I said I thoughts the tests would at least put my mind at rest that I was ovulating, he said if I had regular periods I was. Well what can you say!!

I'm going to try and ignore this months fertility monitor throwing up a thousand highs and focus on the fact that whilst I was using the CB digis they always gave me static smileys. I have just started doing my basal temp chart again as I'm sleeping properly now so it will be accurate.

I'm hoping that next month I might get a peak on the monitor and FF might agree with temps. Who knows lol, pigs might also fly and unicorns start shifting rainbows.

sebsmummy1 Tue 07-Jan-14 21:13:58


sebsmummy1 Tue 07-Jan-14 21:17:08

Punky I wonder whether a 3o day cycle is actually a good thing. When I got a 21/22 day cycle months and months ago after I came off BCP I think it was anovulatory. On that short cycle did you find you bled really heavily?

sebsmummy1 Tue 07-Jan-14 21:24:14

Punky I can relate about the pink CM. Now this is going to be TMI but on lots of sites they talk about checking CM with yr fingers or checking cervical position. I didn't really want to start sticking my fingers in their regularly, so instead I use a clean cotton bud.

Well last month there wAs dark brown CM on the cotton bud on dpo8 and I got really excited thinking it was implantation. It wasn't sadly. I can also tell a few days before AF is due that it's coming because the cotton blood will start staining pink then dark red.

I know it's grim but in a way it's easier than waiting for her to turn up properly and I know I'm out the game quicker.

PunkyBubba Tue 07-Jan-14 22:09:28

Lol, I definitely think a cotton bud sounds less grim to me than sticking a finger up there.. It's weird.. very little gets me squeamish but for some reason the whole 'checking CM' thing does.

I didn't bleed any heavier than normal on the short cycle.. in fact I think it was lighter than usual. Will just have to see what the next cycle decides to do!

I forgot to mention that my DH's reaction when I messaged him to say AF had started (it turned out it hadn't and was just more pinky streaks) was 'thanks for sharing'. I don't know.. for some reason I thought he might be interested to know.. you know, like he cared if we got pregnant or not.. and cared I would be upset :-( I guess it is hard to read these reactions when not face to face.. but just made me feel even more shit. Like I am just forcing ttc onto him, which is how it feels when I am in the fertile phase... We normally talk about everything, but I'm too scared to talk about this as I worry he will say he doesn't want to ttc anymore.. so just carry on walking on eggshells.

sebsmummy1 Tue 07-Jan-14 22:33:16

Oh bless you Punky, this is such a difficult situation and I'm sure your husband wants a baby as much as you. He just probably wants to get back to the fun sex that wasn't caught up with timings and emotional upset. He also probably doesn't know what to say when you are upset so ends up saying something thoughtless sad

Ooooh maybe the witch will stay away. How many dpo do you think you are?

I am a terrible over sharer with DP. He gets to hear all about my cervical mucous, whether I'm spotting or bleeding. I've also used soft cups this cycle which look like diaphragms d I've had him trotting out to the landing to grab one post coitally and then I've popped it in lol.

I honestly think since he witnessed me having my rather horrendous labour, nothing fazes him anymore.

Jakeyblueblue Tue 07-Jan-14 23:13:29

Hi all,
Being a newbie to the thread, I'm just chuckling about the last few posts! Cotton buds and soft cups! Been there and done both of those. Tried the moon cup hoping it would keep the swimmers in the right place, but managed to come back from holiday without it! God knows where I managed to leave it and god knows who eventually found it! blush
Oddly enough, I've had pink cm today. I'm pretty hot on cm and monitor it very closely and have never had it before. It was literally two wipes and none since. I'm 9dpo I think. Of course I've spent all day believing it is implantation bleeding but most likely it's just another sign that my hormones are just totally shot confused

Lucyjojo Tue 07-Jan-14 23:55:15

hello ladies, I piped up to say hello a few days back and haven't said anything since! I am very impressed and also a bit daunted by all the recent posts, you ladies sure know your stuff and I will definately be bending some ears for advice if that is ok!!
I am just into cycle 7 of ttc no 2. I promised myself I would relax about the whole thing this month, but only 2 days after AF has finished and I am driving myself crazy with baby thoughts. I have fully convinced myself that I will never again be pregnant, and I am just fed up and depressed with the whole thing. I am going to start using opks tomorrow, and aim to dtd every other day. I will try my best to eat healthily and not stress out about it all this month. Other than that I don't know what more I can do. It is just so rubbish that we have to go through all this anguish and heartache to have another baby, and it almost feels more cruel when we have one naturally conceived child running around showing us that we can get pregnant and have children!
Interesting to hear your results from the doctor sebs, I have been thinking of making an app for myself, did he tell you to go back at any point in the future if still no bfp or will you make another app to have your blood tests done?
Sorry about DHs reaction Punky, I know what you mean about judging their reactions and forcing ttc onto him, it is hard to know what they really think about it all, and I suppose they feel they have to be the strong ones for us.
Very early good luck to you maybe Jakey?
Anyway, sorry for the late night ramblings, I just wanted to check in and say hello and so much good luck to us all.

sebsmummy1 Wed 08-Jan-14 07:13:37

I did say to him should I come back at some point and see you? He said if I wasn't pregnantatr summer I could make an appointment, but I honestly get the feeling that unless i want to go down the IVF route, he really feels he has nothing to offer me.

sebsmummy1 Wed 08-Jan-14 07:14:01

Late summer that should have read!

fedupofrainydays Wed 08-Jan-14 07:42:57

I'm really squeamish and the thought of checking cervical position really grosses me out! I could cope with cotton buds to check cm tho!

Good luck jakey sounds like it could be implantation.

punky it's so tough isn't it. I too have starter to tell my husband about cm too. Fortunately he's so keen for another child (ds is 2.3 now and we wanted no 2 since he was 1) he puts up with it. I do think you should talk to your husband about it or it will just get worse. Sounds ridiculous perhaps but would diarising sex days work? Then at least he know what's expected at the beginning of the month of he wants another child? I usually have a chat with My husband about what's out plan this month. That way it's a shared plan that you both stick too rather than you feeling you are forcing him at certain times?

Still in my dark place. Day 2 of work. Ugh. Feeling crampy so maybe af on way at last. Want it out the way now sad

sebsmummy1 Wed 08-Jan-14 07:57:19

Oh fed up chick I'm sorry work is bringing no solace. I often think if I was working FT I wouldn't be thinking about the baby stuff. But actually over Christmas when I was out and about I was still taking those thoughts eith me, so obviously not!!!

Has anyone taken the supplement I see discussed a lot, Vitex? I asked the doc yesterday if he could suggest anything else I could do aside from shagging grin. He said don't drink, don't smoke, I don't do either, so he was like lovely job, goodbye lol. I am do close to ordering some as I hear people raving about it, but then I hear other people saying it can make you ovulate earlier and I don't think I need to be ovulating any earlier!!

Oh god I tell you what else I did when I was desperate over Christmas [hangs head]. I ordered a pregnancy prediction reading from one of those online psychics that are about and regularly discussed on various TTC boards. I'm not going to say what she said incase I jinx it, but she could see a pregnancy this year!!! Oh let it be true lol

PunkyBubba Wed 08-Jan-14 11:24:28

Thanks girls :-) I'm not sure if I have the guts at the moment to have a discussion with DH about the ttc, but it really feels good just to get these things off my chest as I have no one else I can talk to about it. He is a bit old-fashioned so I don't talk about CM to him.. You are right Sebs in that it is the whole sex on demand he can't stand. He has never been one to be told what to do and has told me many times how much he hates it. We have agreed that as long as he has prior notice he is a bit less annoyed with the whole thing, but it is difficult at the mo when my cycles are soooo messed up.. and unfortunately there is no way we can go for the 'every other day' approach as we are both knackered and fed up within a week, and this month I was over a week late Ov'ing.. so by the time I was fertile he was totally off the whole thing! Like I said before.. I managed to get one more in one day before Ov.. but the whole couple of weeks were awful for me. Next cycle I am definitely holding off until I see EWCM.. and forget what my app predicts!

I'm 11dpo today (last month AF came on 10dpo so at least LP is 1 day longer). More pink CM today.. though feeling slightly crampy so am hopeful one minute and depressed the next.. I sooo think the witch is coming today.

I actually was ready to go and buy some Vitex yesterday Sebs! I was reading about extending Luteal Phase again and on top of B6 some women swore by Red Raspberry Tea and Vitex (apparently you can buy them together in one product). At the moment though LP seems to be extending again naturally, so might wait one more cycle to see what it does. I really don't want to be pill popping as I may just get more obsessive about this than I already am!

Hope you are having a better day today Fed Up.xxx

PunkyBubba Wed 08-Jan-14 11:25:16

Oh sorry, forgot to say hi to Jakey and Lucy <waves!>

sebsmummy1 Wed 08-Jan-14 11:35:39

ha ha yep! Watching my DPs face contort when I tell him we need to BD is not particularly sexy lol. We had sex five days on the trot on the fertile window then day off either side and then once more. To be honest the last time I really wasn't in the mood either but if course have to be all alluring and sensual when all I want to be doing is wearing my flannelette pajamas and drinking cocoa.

God at some point the sperm better bloody meet the egg.

Cakebaker35 Wed 08-Jan-14 13:22:28

Just checking in ladies. Wow you are all so knowledgeable, I would have no idea how to check position of cervix and even if I did what would I be looking for?

Sorry sebs your GP was so dismissive, I'd be tempted to see someone else in a few months time if I were you? He is right to say 6 months isn't that long but I'd want to know he was at least interested in seeing you again in a few months. V impressed with 5 days on the trot DTD! Really hope it is your month for good news.

punky I totally know what you mean about trying to get DH on board (ahem). Ended up having a mighty row with DH the other eve as he hates the whole on demand thing. I didn't handle it well to be fair and just went into full shouty mode which was pointless as DH never responds well to that! When I finally calmed down I managed to explain to him a bit more about just how tricky this conception thing is, that dtd every so often just wont work and that there really is a v limited window etc then it seemed to sink in a bit - we were so lucky first time around I think he is under a big false idea it will be easy again too. Anyway I think he got the message as arrived home last night, made me down tools mid bolognese cooking and said right come on then!! But we will see, it really is hard to sustain every other day when you have busy lives.

fedup so sorry work is rubbish, what do you do, if that isn't too nosey (and I haven't missed earlier in thread)? I'm a SAHM at the moment, but almost double edged sword as I have too much time to think about this baby making lark and am always surrounded by children, not helping me to be calm and avoid being a nut job!

Welcome jakey and wishing you lots of luck and hello to lucy, this thread is full of knowledgeable people isn't it, plus me who's a bit clueless and going more nutty each month confused

Jakeyblueblue Wed 08-Jan-14 13:27:41

I'm in the same boat with the shagging. We do everyday around the ewcm and then a few after for good measure. Luckily though dh is good with this and just does as he is told. He's also never been one to take his time so I'm not subjected to hours of it or anything. He can usually perform within 10 mins so at least it's over with and I can fit it in around having a toddler blush!
I've been to the gp about this and also got no help. He said I needed to make an appt with a lady dr who knew about breastfeeding and periods as he didn't. I kid you not. He also said he wouldn't do bloods until I stopped bf. Also unhelpful.
Having said that though, what could they offer??? Other than ivf which we can't afford. I guess there is clomid but I'm pretty sure I'm ovulating as temping.
It all feels a bit hopeless at the moment tbh. Going to night wean over the weekend and see if that helps. Not looking forward to that one bitsad.
I've looked at vitex but shied away due to the concerns about ovulation, I've been on 100mg b6 for an eternity and that Def lengthened LP so would reccomend if you've not tried. I'm also considering acupuncture and going to try to eat a better diet. Running out of ideas though now!

Cakebaker35 Wed 08-Jan-14 13:36:55

Bloody hell jakey your GP sounds like a useless b£stard! Definitely do try to see someone else if you can, if he's that disinterested in you then I'd be worried about seeing him for anything tbh.

Really good luck with the night weaning, it may not be as bad as you think, and even if the first night is tough hang in there as it can only get better.

Hmm shagging in 10 mins, sounds ideal, my bolognese might not have been burnt then. Perhaps I shouldn't tell dh to hurry up tho in case it puts him off forever grin

Decided if we have no luck this month then it will be opks next month. On another thread I asked if Internet cheapies or big brand ones are best? Quite a mixed response, would love to hear any other experiences/recommendations?

Jakeyblueblue Wed 08-Jan-14 13:42:18

Also - whilst on the topic of shagging. We took ages to conceive ds, ended up seeing fertility nurse. At the time dh was working crazy hours and we were only Dtd once or twice a month, around mid cycle. She pretty much told me to go away as I wasn't trying hard enough, she told me to forget timing it and just to Dtd 3x weekly every week of the next cycle and come back in six months if it did not work. I fell pregnant that cycle!
We've been trying to stick to this but it's been very difficult with dh work but maybe this approach would be easier on your dh's that are struggling with Dtd on demand. Just tell them they need to Dtd 3 x a week and leave it up to them when that is???
Just a thought grin

Cakebaker35 Wed 08-Jan-14 13:51:47

Yes jakey, agree sometimes timing it just puts pressure on everyone, so I'm going for the as much as possible approach this month in the hope I'm less stressed about it all although i'm desperate to try and time it to perfection really

sebsmummy1 Wed 08-Jan-14 15:54:34

Well I know superdrug are as good as first response and LOADS cheaper. I think internet cheapies are ok, I think the main problem is they are probe to evap lines which can get you all excited and amount to nothing.

The problem with trying to push for things like Clomid is that you are going to start popping out eggs, possibly unnecessarily, and start using up your egg reserve. Unless you knew you were not ovulating it's not really of any great value.

On that note has anyone considered having that test to see how many years fertility you have left? I keep thinking about it and then realising just how devastated I would be if it said one year or something, but then I start thinking about it again!!

I took DS to a local playgroup this afternoon, it was full of yummy mummies, many of whom had had their children late and into their forties and it made me feel a lot better about the big 40 and it not being some devastating equivalent to a hysterectomy.

sebsmummy1 Wed 08-Jan-14 16:10:21

That nurse has a point as we don't DTD three times a week outside if the fertile window. I shall jump on DP tonight smile

fedupofrainydays Wed 08-Jan-14 17:09:28

Working does not make me any less of a nut job unfortunately. Although yes, it does provide some distraction and I can claim to have not thought about being pregnant for a good few hours today - whoop! I'm a management consultant, working mainly in health, adults and children's social care. Stressful and high pressure. So it's tough when the ewcm appears mid week!!

Ok so still no af except cramping like crazy. Bit scared as got some yellowy cm which I got before the last bfp which ended in mc as most of you know. I actually don't want it to be a bfp as would be a late implanter (bfn yesterday morn) if that's the case and late ones don't last with me. Just want af now. Never thought I would say that. On knicker watch (and now cotton bud when get home). Ttc is such a head fuck.

They do say regular sex throughout cycle is the best but also appreciate that doesn't work for everyone with busy jobs, lives or those that work away - doctor said to me twice a week was optimum! Wtf! Never get updiffed that way!

Phone means I can't read all updates but hope everyone is ok and punky it seems we are at the same stage!!

fedupofrainydays Thu 09-Jan-14 07:02:47

Well af arrived this morning. <sigh>
Relieved in one way and another just feel sad and tired of it all.
Oh well, I've had a last minute cancellation for training I'm doing so I've got to revise super hard tonight for assessments tomorrow and weekend of training. Eeeeek.

Feel I need to come to terms with just having one child. I'm struggling with that though.

Cakebaker35 Thu 09-Jan-14 08:47:06

Oh fedup, sorry you're feeling rubbish but at least now AF is here you can put that cycle behind you. It's so tough, please don't give up hope, I was reading further back in the thread and you were really positive about 2014, we will get a BFP somewhere on this thread and there's no reason why it won't be you.

Was chatting to my lovely sil who had 4 mcs TTC 2, she gave up all hope and then bang it happened - she was 38 so I'm trying to remember this whenever i feel gloomy about it all.

sebsmummy1 Thu 09-Jan-14 09:12:46

Fed up are they investigating the miscarriages at all?

As you say, least the witch is here and it's a clean slate. I can totally understand you feeling the way you do. I also am trying to just feel lucky to have one which is so much more than many people have. But the yearning is there and I imagine doesn't go away. Let's hope you have nice high fertility now and you catch this month xxxxxx

Well I am 6 dpo. No point in symptom spotting as every time I've had a symptom that was new it's still been bfn!!! I know my month is coming, I've just got to want patiently.

sebsmummy1 Thu 09-Jan-14 09:13:23


Hello everyone,

Gonna join in if that's ok....Currently on cycle 5 of TTC #2.

Started fretting that I wasn't ovulating (zero symptoms and have never had a positive OPK). Went to GP last month who did blood tests, going abck next week to discuss.

Currently on CD11, first time using Conceive Plus - DTD last night and this morning. I honestly have no idea when I ovulate (if I even do!).

Said on a separate thread that I noticed a very slight bit of EWCM yesterday but was quite bloody (sorry).

Anyway, good luck everyone, here's hoping.

zippygeorgebungle Thu 09-Jan-14 15:26:51

Hello! Yes, I've learned lots from this thread too. I had another day 3 blood test today, to see if the bfing hormone suppression has stopped yet. I seem to have a better GP than I realised, seeing some posts on here, though I think paying for the private consultation worked. The next stage next month is to have some scans through next month to work out more about when/if ovulation is happening etc.

I agree working offers no solace. I work FT hours in a high stress position but about the half of the time I can work from home. I work a strange pattern so I still get to do major amounts of the childcare. I saw NCT pals today with babies and ended up tearful on the drive home, though they would have had no idea I was feeling sad. Cuddling the baby while my own baby said "hello baby" and "baby crying now" got me a bit.

Good luck everyone!

Jakeyblueblue Thu 09-Jan-14 17:06:32

Don't lose hope fed up! I heard a story the other day About secondary infertility that came good in the end. Think we've just got to keep plodding on. We all got pregnant before, so it can happen again. That's what I keep telling myself anyway.
From my end I'm on 11 dpo I think. Got major skin break out so am just waiting AF I think. It's not something I usually have but equally, I don't remember it being a preg sign either.
Strangely enough ds did 6 hrs straight last night. First time ever in 2 and a half yrs. was going to start weaning tonight but feeling very tired and may just wait and see if its a fluke or not. Basically I'm wimping out. Not sure why I had to be the one that can't get pregs whilst bf. My best mate got up duffed whilst she was bf her one year old and with only one bloody ovary. So not fair.
Welcome tap dancing! grin

fedupofrainydays Thu 09-Jan-14 17:29:36

Welcome tap

Thanks ladies, just still feel shit and had a go at my sister with 3 kids for not understanding. FFS she even took the morning after pill and was still pregnant with one of them. Just feels so unfair. I can't face my NCT - not at the mo. Too hard with all their sibling brigades.

sebs no, no looking into it on NHS as I've "only" had two. Sucks.

Right, got a night of revision ahead of me before some exams tomorrow - and already ready for sleep!

PunkyBubba Thu 09-Jan-14 20:30:26

Welcome Tap smile

Well Fed up, you were right about us being at the same point. AF came today, and to add insult to injury it's been REALLY painful sad I knew this morning when my temp dropped massively (though I still spent an hour googling 'massive temp drop at 12 dpo any chance?) and other variations of the same topic.

My one consolation is that my lp is longer this cycle without having taken anything to lengthen it, and hoping next cycle is more settled. Now just to prepare DH for lots of BD in a couple of weeks!


Lucyjojo Thu 09-Jan-14 21:13:55

Hello tap I am a newbie too <waves>
Sebs I just wanted to say that made me giggle reading about your psychic explorations! My immediate thought was where is this person, how do I get in touch with them! I do not believe in any of that psychic babble whatsoever, but this ttc malarkey really gets you grasping at straws doesn't it!
Fedup that is so unfair with your sister. I know a few people who got pregnant by mistake and then decided it was wonderful and went on to have some more. Just like that, so easy.
I'm sick of people saying things like ooh your DD is two?? Time to start trying for another one! I know people just don't think about things like secondary infertility but, well, they should!!!!
Jakey that is a good way to think, but I am such a negative nancy that I just keep thinking if I managed to get pregnant once before, why is it so hard to do it again!!
Also agree that working offers no solace. If anything the ttc is ruining my job, as I just cannot concentrate at work for constantly thinking about babies and being pregnant, and googling success/failure stories. It doesn't help that I hate my job and was only sticking it out in the hopes that I wouldn't be there for much longer as in a parallel universe I am now 7 months pregnant. angry
Good luck with the revision fedup.
Good luck with weaning Jakey, how do you think ds will take it?

sebsmummy1 Thu 09-Jan-14 22:18:48

Ha ha. It was only £7.50 do I guess it didn't hurt my pocket too much. How about when the month appears and she is right or wrong I let you know then if she is accurate grin

Thanks everyone smile

Didn't get to DTD last night as DH was too tired, gutted! Then to add more fun, DD spent the night vomiting and is currently recouperating on the sofa with DH while I'm at work.

Not looking good for later either (or this cycle in general). <sigh>

How is everyone?

Cakebaker35 Fri 10-Jan-14 13:58:44

Welcome Tap and hi everyone.

Sorry to hear your Dd is poorly, definitely doesn't help you feel in the mood for DTD does it?! My dd poorly last night too, we go interrupted mid DTD by the sound of coughing and wailing - passion killer!

So day 10 of cycle here and succumbed to an Internet cheapie opk (was meant to be holding off til next month for that) and there's a definite line there, not as strong as the control line so i know technically that is negative, but a line nonetheless. However can't DTD tonight anyway as DH away and not sure I have the stamina for two days in a row. But hope to get back to that tomorrow after last night's interruption!! Got ridiculously excited about a pale line on an opk, can only imagine how ridiculous I'm going to get if I keep using these opk things blush saw my NCT group today and yet another one is pregnant with #2 - delighted for her as she is lovely but I couldn't help feel a massive pang of disappointment.

Fedup, hope the exams go okay and you're feeling a little better about stuff, really crap with your sister and NCT bunch flowers

punky sorry to hear AF arrived, the bitch, and hope it's not too painful today.

Cakebaker35 Fri 10-Jan-14 14:14:32

I can't even count - realised I'm actually day 14 of this cycle. Hmmm, whether to carry on with opks or not?? Now I have started perhaps I just should, or will they make me even more nuts??

sebsmummy1 Fri 10-Jan-14 15:32:33

Argh Tap that's so bloody frustrating isn't it! Its bad enough being on the 2ww when you've been at it like bunnies, even more frustrating when you feel you haven't BDed enough. I have read so many stories where TTCers have BDed just the once in the fertile window and conceived, so try not to want to punch your DH too much lol grin

Cakebaker it really does depend on whether you have a longer cycle or think you ovulate later in the cycle usually? I would prob carry on testing anyway. If you are using cheapies just remember to test in the afternoon and try not to drink for four hours (i could never actually manage to do this!).

sebsmummy1 Fri 10-Jan-14 15:34:09

Well I'm on (i think) 7dpo. I am quite tired but i didn't sleep that well and otherwise everything is as i would expect on a non fertile cycle. Feel like its permanent groundhog day in my pants lol

fedupofrainydays Fri 10-Jan-14 20:32:11

Just a quick one as zonked after my training and exams to give punky a hug. Stupid periods. Mine has been painful and heavy too but lightening up now. My boobs also still hurt which is unlike me with periods but assume it's just messed up after mc.

sebs haven't you seen about 3 diff psychics or all said you would get pregnant this year?? One around May?

Oh and exams were v hard

Keep going cake unless you think you have ovulated?!

Hope dd better now tap

sebsmummy1 Fri 10-Jan-14 20:56:37

Fed up yes to three!!! And kind of about May. The internet woman gave a particular month that wasn't May but still fell within the other psychics predictions as they gave a less specific time period.

Exams sound exhausting but I bet you did brilliantly grin

PunkyBubba Fri 10-Jan-14 21:24:22

Thanks for the hug Fed up. Sending one right back at you and hope you're having a good rest after your training and exams. AF not as painful today, though also had sore boobs which I never normally get. Weird. I also think my body is still messed up from the EP, hence my weird cycles. Am currently obsessing over whether to start taking b6, raspberry tea capsules, etc or wait and see what next cycle is like.

Cake and Tap, hope your DDs are better today and you can DTD without interruption! DH prefers to DTD in the morning but as DS tends to wake v early sometimes we have to try to ignore him shouting for us... Yes, total mood killer!

Sebs, really hope your psychics are right! I know a psychic but she refuses to see about babies as she says that is up to a higher power.... Sucks sad

sebsmummy1 Fri 10-Jan-14 21:49:01

All this 'balancing of hormones' is so confusing. They talk about three cycles after coming off BP don't they, although obviously some women fall pregnant straight away. So hopefully your next cycle will feel a little more normal Punky.

Not sure about supplements. You hear some people raving about them and others saying they thought they created other issues. I would be slightly cautious as obviously your hormones were working well to enable you to fall pregnant relatively recently.

sebsmummy1 Fri 10-Jan-14 21:50:40

Re the psychic stuff. It really is just desperation on my part and I would hate to encourage anyone else to do it just incase it gave false hope or worse discouragement. However if it turns out to be accurate i will definitely give details to anyone who wants them xxxx

Cakebaker35 Sat 11-Jan-14 13:42:19

Thanks punky, dd on the mend although still up a few times last night, yawn. Glad AF not as painful for you now.

Fedup, absolutely no idea if I've ovulated, given up symptom spotting as I just seem to drive myself utterly bonkers!

Did another opk just now. A much fainter line than yesterday, but still a line. So I wonder did I ov yesterday as that was the darkest line? I'm utterly clueless aren't I blush

Sebs, please don't give your hard earned cash to any more psychics, they're awful people who prey on the rest of us during our most difficult times IMHO. Spend your money on cake which is the answer to life's problems. Ok, so that's a lie, but while I'm eating it it feels like it smile

sebsmummy1 Sat 11-Jan-14 13:51:34

I know I know!!! They feed on the desperate and vulnerable. Doesn't help that my Mums really into it so I've grown up with it being considered quite normal.

I wish there was the ability to include sigs on this site as I forget what peoples history is on here and don't want to keep repeating the same questions or say something insensitive assuming certain things have happened when they haven't.

I am 8 dpo I think today and nothing happening whatsoever xx

Positive opk!! I'm stupidly excited grin

Ok they were a 6-pack from Home Bargains but still, they're reliable aren't they?

sebsmummy1 Sat 11-Jan-14 17:34:29


Mrsgiblin1983 Sat 11-Jan-14 18:12:39

Hi ladies. I'm never new on here. What does dpo mean? Should I poas tomorrow 12 days after ovulation? Had a mc last no and really feel pregnant now. But prob all in my head. Xxxx

Lucyjojo Sat 11-Jan-14 22:32:16

Evening all, I am the same Sebs, I can never remember what anyone has said previously, I have about 5 tabs open on my computer replying to people reading pack over the previous pages!! I do think psychics prey on us when vulnerable and tell us what we want to hear, but as long as it doesn't break the bank and you can take it all with a pinch of salt there is nothing wrong with having a bit of fun with it! So in other words, when your prediction comes true I will be having those details off you please grin!
Cake I am also utterly clueless with opks! Istruggle to even stick to a time of day to use them, so when I do the results are useless anyway. Does anyone else find it hard to go even 2 hours, never mind 4 without needing a wee/drink? I got a very faint squinty line the other day, and I have had some ewcm today so I'm going to guess that now is a good time to dtd!! AF due 2 weeks tomorrow if she behaves herself this month and sticks to her regular schedule, although I would obviously prefer she just f**ks off altogether this month!
Good luck with the exam results fedup, when will you find out how you did?
Punky I have also heard good and bad from supplements. I do think the best you can do for yourself is to eat healthily, cut down on drinking and caffeine and not stress, and other boring totally unrealistic things!! My moto this cycle is to just take a deep breath and relax whenever I can feel myself getting carried away with obsessing over it. Whether I will be able to keep that up for another two weeks....
Sebs do you think you will POAS in the next couple of days?
Hope everyone is having a nice weekend.

fedupofrainydays Sun 12-Jan-14 07:24:47

Just a quick one this morning - as I'm back for day 3 of training (passed all Fridays exams -whoop! But don't know about yesterday's horrible ones) and I am shattered!!

Just a quick one re opks. I think the digi ones are so much easier as don't leave you analysing lines (there is always some LH in your system so can have lines on tests even if you are no way near ovulating!!)
Plus digis can be done in the morning (clear blues) so you don't have to worry about saving up wee (I too struggled with the 4 hour thing unless it was about 11 am and I didn't drink anything all morning!!) I used to test twice a day nearing ovulation to make sure i caught the surge too but you don't have to do that.

They stressed me out which is why I stopped but never say never to going back.

mrs dpo is days post ovulation and hello!

punky weird about the boobs too. Day 4 of my period today and tailing off - sometimes still sore boobs but not too bad. And spots getting slightly less angry!!

Right need coffee before day three starts. Caffeine cut down starts tomorrow brew

sebsmummy1 Sun 12-Jan-14 11:26:18

Lucy your post made me really chuckle xxxxx
I poas this morning and bfn. Going to try and save the other one as I am 99.9% sure I'm not pregnant so it's just a waste of money and heart ache.

Congrats in passing your first set of exams fed up xxxxxx

sebsmummy1 Sun 12-Jan-14 11:46:48

Just got teary in Tesco cafe over a little baby on the table two away. I'm so frightened I'm going to become one of those women that pounces on newborns and scares their Mothers.

If any good can come out of this (assuming I ever fall pregnant) it will be that I will not take the pregnancy for granted and will be so bloody happy, as will my family, if I ever get another BFP.

Cakebaker35 Sun 12-Jan-14 13:39:02

Lucy I'm with you on opks, surely it's impossible not to drink or wee for that long unless you're a camel?! So I just did the opk at lunchtime, probably therefore not totally accurate but it's the only realistic time in the day I can. So did another one today and no line whatsoever. So I'm now wondering if I ov'd on Friday as that was the strongest line I've had? Or do you ovulate after you've had a strong line?? Anyway DTD last night but not sure if it was pointless and whether to keep going next week too? Any advice knowledgeable ladies?

Congratulations fedup on passing your exams flowers and thanks also for the tip on digi opks, I can totally see the point in spending the cash on them now just for the convenience. I might do next month, but also like you worried they may just make me too obsessed!

Sebs, so sorry you were upset at tesco, totally know that feeling and have to stop myself staring at every pregnant woman i see. Getting scared that I'm so focused on the life I want that I'm forgetting to enjoy the life I've got....

Welcome mrs <waves>

sebsmummy1 Sun 12-Jan-14 15:25:18

Oh gosh we are all do similar on this thread I find myself nodding along to every post.

I could not make a cheapie opk shoe anything bar a total negative, directly I started using clearblue digis with FMU I got positives, they are definitely worth the money!! I would advise scrutinising your CM but also your libido. I find I am infinitely more horny when I'm fertile, and my cm is moist, cervix high.

Even though my cbfm is still saying High it is very obvious I am not fertile currently. My cm is either creamy white/yellowish and lotion-like or totally dry.

It's easy to feel your cervix by inserting yr middle finger and feeling towards your spine. When you are fertile it will be high and you either won't feel it at all it have to insert most of your finger to do so. When you are near AF it moves lower down and becomes firmer. I generally only check my cervix a few times a month as it's not a good early pregnancy indicator. It is quite useful though to show when your fertile.

Lucyjojo Sun 12-Jan-14 16:00:31

Hmm I think I might fork out and buy the clearblue ones next cycle then. I can't even be bothered doing an opk today, I was going to wait a few hours of not weeing/drinking but I thought sod it I want a cup of tea!! I also struggle to analyse my cm, I don't usually get much throughout the cycle so when I do get some, which is roughly around the time I would guess I ov it is clear and stringyish, so I presume that is what I would be looking for. I have been a bit crampy the past few days too so hopefully all these things point to ovulation.
Cake what day are you on? If it was me I think I would just take the strong line the other day as your go go go, I think you ovulate within 12-24 hours after a positive, is that the same with ewcm too ladies? So hopefully dtd last night will have been bang on for you smile I still feel a bit baffled with the whole thing but I'm trying not to get too carried away with it all and just have sex every 2/3 days and a bit more when I guess I'm fertile!
Glad I could make you smile Sebs! And I'm with you on the crazy woman front. There were pg women everywhere in asda yesterday, and I couldn't help but stare at them all. Also at buggies, it used to be that I was oggling the buggy to see if I liked it when I was pg with DD, now it's to see how old the baby is. Do you know what else I am obsessed with? age gaps between siblings. Everyone I meet now I want to know if they have a brother or sister, how big the age gap is, do they get along, do they wish they'd been closer in age or further apart. It's totally crazy, I obviously can't control what age gap there will be!!
Well done and good luck with your exams fedup!

fedupofrainydays Sun 12-Jan-14 18:12:33

Oh the age gap is my obsession too. Big obsession. It freaks me out. IF I have a second child it will be at least three years gap now. I wanted two but no such luck sad

Thanks ladies, I passed all 4 exams so hurrah!

Me too fedup re age gap...DD will be at least 5 now if we have another....there's 5 years, 3 months between my brother and I, so that's my maximum level before I start getting really panicky grin

DH now very unwell with DD's bug, this really isn't my month sad

sebsmummy1 Sun 12-Jan-14 19:05:53

I honestly don't think there is a perfect age gap, really. I have heard all sorts of stories about small age gaps being bad, bigger age gaps being fantastic. Least with a larger gap the first child is in school/out of nappies.

Please don't drive yourselves mad with age gap worries. The only thing that's really going to decide if your children get on is personality. You either luck out and your kids get on as they get older, or else they are just chalk and cheese and they don't (talking from experience here wink)

Well done fed up. You ROCK girlie grin

Cakebaker35 Sun 12-Jan-14 21:11:17

Agree sebs that age gaps will be what they will be, pros and cons either way and frankly I'll just be glad if #2 ever appears! And wow to you knowing what to look for with your cervix, I'm feeling like a total novice.

Lucy I'm on day 16 and had the strong line on opk on day 14, we DTD on day 15 and think we will try again tomorrow. I'm a bit mistrustful of these cheap opks though, so who knows. Will definitly get the digi type next cycle. Also I've had a 25 day cycle then most recently a 34 day one so really not sure about whether to keep DTD all next week just in case? Wwyd ladies? We're taking the every 2 - 3 day approach but it's pretty tough to stick to this with busy lives isn't it. As for EWCM, I'm struggling to know if it is that, or just, ahem, leftovers from DH. Sorry tmi! blush

I think statistically we are due a bfp on this thread now! Really hoping for good news from someone very soon. Sending lots of positive thoughts to you all x

Lucyjojo Sun 12-Jan-14 21:54:11

Haha Cake I am the same with confusion between ewcm and leftovers!!! It's so nice to hear that you aren't alone in your craziness!!
Fedup it's the same for me, we will have a gap of 3 years plus if I don't get pg this cycle. I wanted no more than 2.5 years between, I want lots of children too so this is just adding to the frustration! Serves me right for being so cocky about our fertility first time round angry Now that it is past my magic age gap window I am thinking like you Sebs, it is all down to personality really, and the way DD is at the mo I could not imagine being heavily pregnant or having a newborn!
Well after deciding I couldn't be bothered with the opk today I did one after not weeing and only drinking a brew for 2.5 hours, and I got the strongest line I have had for the past few days. It wasn't as strong as the control line but it will do for me!
If I were you cake I would dtd tonight if you can? and a few more times next week, just to cover every base. It is hard to squeeze it in though, excuse the pun, whilst working and everything else too. What do you all think about dtd too much?? I'm on cd13 today, but we have dtd mon,wed,thurs,fri and today so far. DH was off work most of the week so that is the only reason we have managed so much this cycle! But now I'm wondering if maybe we peaked too soon. It seems the more I read on the threads on mumsnet that with anything you're damned if you do and damned if you don't!!!
Sebs hope you are surviving your 2WW ok?

Cakebaker35 Mon 13-Jan-14 08:27:05

Wow Lucy impressive stats on DTD! We haven't managed two days in a row yet! Not sure it's possible to DTD too much, just as often as you can unless any fertility issues is what I seem to read. I think we'll to DTD a couple more times to hopefully cover all bass as you say! Just not feeling v hopeful but must stop thinking like that!
Lovely to hear from fellow crazies, as you say so nice to feel you aren't alone in this madness.

sebsmummy1 Mon 13-Jan-14 09:52:44

Girls I thought I saw a faint line, but DP is saying no and I wiped pink this morning that is slightly staining a panty liner. Either the witch is coming or its implantation.

I suspect I'll be following this up with a sad but I'm going to bob about in my what if bubble for today I think.

sebsmummy1 Mon 13-Jan-14 09:55:03

Lucy, my fertility acupuncturist (I only saw her once lol) said that you should DTD as much as you can in the fertile window and Fertility Friend say the same. Other people say every other day.

I would just say if it's a real chore better to do it slightly less but get DH really aroused as opposed to every day if it's all a bit wishy washy. You certainly haven't done it wrong though!!!!

Cakebaker35 Mon 13-Jan-14 12:15:50

Doing my special implantation dance for you sebs grin!

sebsmummy1 Mon 13-Jan-14 12:30:16

Bless you xxxxx

Lucyjojo Mon 13-Jan-14 14:10:06

I know I'm a bit impressed too! Very unlike me/us. It seems the more you do it though the more you enjoy it and want to do it more! blush
Well I really feel like I want to throw my all at it this cycle so will keep dtd as much as we feel we can be bothered. No stress allowed though!!! I'm the same Cake, I'm such a negative nancy. Come on though, let's get our capes of positive thinking on!! <wish there was a smiley for cape>
Sebs do you mean you have POAS today?? A faint line you say?? Enjoy your bubble today and I so hope the next few days bring you what you want, everything crossed.

fedupofrainydays Mon 13-Jan-14 17:07:55

Fx sebs
Some lines are only viable by the trained eye but hopefully tomorrow's one or dha after will be dark enough for your husband to see. Excited for you xx

Cakebaker35 Mon 13-Jan-14 17:17:41

Loving the cape idea Lucy, like some sort of BFP super hero smile
Keeping everything crossed sebs.....

sebsmummy1 Mon 13-Jan-14 17:57:28

I'm pretty sure it was a blue dye false positive. I have got some pink dye ones for tomorrow morn but I think I shall be posting a sad face as I really am showing every normal symptom of AF showing up on Wed.

Assuming I'm still having a 12 day LP it means I'm ovulating CD12. Although my fertility monitor didn't show a peak this month which I know is common on the first month, the sticks did show the nearest to a positive test on sticks 11 and 12. So everything seems to tally, I'm temping now as well so hopefully FF will agree next cycle.

I still think a 24/25 day cycle is short!! I guess if I ov early I still stand a chance if a fertilised egg implanting.

fedupofrainydays Mon 13-Jan-14 18:45:41

sebs I have short cycle - 24 days av. And I have got pregnant 3 times. My sister also has 25 day cycle and has been pregnant 4 times (and has 3 kids) so short is good (plus trying comes around more) it's only when 20 days and under is norm when something abnormal

sebsmummy1 Mon 13-Jan-14 18:49:54

That makes me feel better fed up (and I know it's not the first time you've said that to me wink). Do you know what day you ov on average? Xx

fedupofrainydays Mon 13-Jan-14 18:52:17

Sorry didn't make sense - anything under 20 days is when it's perhaps not quite right....

PunkyBubba Mon 13-Jan-14 18:52:45

Hey all,

I've been keeping up with everything but no time to post this weekend.

Sebs, fingers crossed for you!

Fedup Well done on your Exams :-)

I use the internet cheapie OPKs, and though I also can't go 4 hours without a drink (maybe 2 hours) they have worked ok for me so far. I did realise after always getting negatives that I wasn't leaving them long enough to 'develop'.. and they really do need the 10 mins advised to know whether they are negative or positive. I was lucky though in that I was wfh for the last 6 months.. so it was easy to do at 2pm (which is meant to be the optimum time). Not sure that will work in a busy office.. I haven't quite worked out how I am going to do this yet... I can't really hang around in the office loos for 10 mins..

I also wanted a 2 year gap between DCs.. Now it will be at least 3 years, though same as you Lucy I can't imagine being heavily pregnant or with a newborn and dealing with DS..

Totally get the teary bit with other babies in public.. I have to avoid looking at pregnant strangers in case they can see in my eyes how messed up I am about it all.. angry, hurt... I saw my best friend yesterday who is heavily pregnant.. (we live far from each other so don't see each other often), and spent most of the time talking babies.. which was hard. It is her first so she was asking for lots of advice.. I also told her about my frustration at the moment about ttc, and she said to 'relax'... I love her to bits but christ I had to stop myself screaming. She got pregnant the first cycle of ttc... I've been trying since June and have now lost a fallopian tube.. my cycles are totally messed up since the ectopic.. It's not quite the same!! Today I also bumped into an old colleague who asked how many children I had now.. It hurt so much to say still just the one.. :-(

Thanks for the advice re: supplements. I have decided again to give it another cycle and see where I am. I have read that a lot of women follow the same weird cycle pattern after ectopics.. normal initially, then really long cycles until after a few months it goes back to normal again... so am hoping it will sort itself back out.

We are definitely due a BFP on this thread soon.. Sebs, here's hoping you are the first.xxx

fedupofrainydays Mon 13-Jan-14 18:54:20

I'm normally about cd 12 too but has ranged from day 8 to 15! If you are ovulating cd 12 then that's only two days ahead of the "average" 28 day cycle that they base everything on!

Lucyjojo Mon 13-Jan-14 18:54:45

Ah that's interesting to hear fedup. My cycles are an average of 26 days and when I started getting into all this serious ttc business I was worried mine were too short too. I think my LP is about 12 days too Sebs. The past 3 months though I have been a bit all over the place so hopefully they will go back to normal now.
I had to pop out to get some more opks earlier, picked up the cheapest ones from Home Bargains I could, and got an amazing positive this afternoon on one, so that made me smile, and we will be dtd as much as possible over the next few days! I think AF is due in 13/14 days so still got the 2ww to get through.
Good luck for the morning Sebs.
Are you all done with exams now fedup?
I think I will have a red cape Cake, stick with tradition! How about you? grin

Lucyjojo Mon 13-Jan-14 19:01:40

Ahhh I hate the questions too Punky. Sometimes you just feel like screaming the truth out to people don't you. To make them shut up and to make yourself feel better for getting it all out! There was a newborn at playgroup today. 4 days old. I didn't want to even look in their vague direction. Sorry about the situation with your best friend, and I hope your cycles sort themselves out soon it's not fair to add to the stress and chaos when our bodies start playing tricks on us.

fedupofrainydays Mon 13-Jan-14 19:27:34

One of my NCT came round for a cuppa this morn (I don't work Mondays) and she has a four month olds as well as her Daughter who is my sons age. She's having a very hard time with sleeping (actually the older one waking up every hour) but was sweet not to bang on about it to me about "how hard it is with two" as She knows what I've been through and would give up for months to have another baby in my arms. Wish could say the same for everyone else who seem to rub it in my face so much - more how great their older kid loves the younger one etc.

I feel quite relaxed about ttc at the mo, probs cos I've so much going on and I'm not in the 2 ww! Thinking of all of you stuck on the horrible -time stands still - period of waiting.

Got another exam in a month then done for that module then on to the next.... Fun times. Thanks for the congrats tho I'm quite chuffed with myself doing my job, being a mum and learning all that stuff!

Now.... To gym or not to gym... That is the question.

sebsmummy1 Tue 14-Jan-14 07:47:09

Just to say I've got a faint line this morn from a pink dye test. It is really faint though! I am going to just see if it gets any darker before I start getting carried away with myself.

Cakebaker35 Tue 14-Jan-14 08:26:20

Woo hoo! A line is a line sebs! <tried to reign in excitement but fails>

Lucyjojo Tue 14-Jan-14 08:53:07

OOh yey Sebs!! <whispers very quietly> Do you want to share photos??
Fed up that is very impressive! What are you studying for? I'm thinking of going back to college in september if I'm not upduffed by then.

sebsmummy1 Tue 14-Jan-14 09:02:45

Thank you xxxx

I put it on one of those photo sites where people give their opinion. The clearblue plus one yesterday had people saying it was an evap line, those tests are notorious for false positives apparently. This one does seem to have more people convinced, I'm just hoping in a few days it's more obvious and I can go get a digital.

I'm so scared I'm going to jinx it by talking about it!

sebsmummy1 Tue 14-Jan-14 09:03:12
Cakebaker35 Tue 14-Jan-14 09:23:19

Definitely something there! <woop!>
My GP told me it is highly unusual to get a false positive from clearblue so just goes to show there are so many different opinions out there!

sebsmummy1 Tue 14-Jan-14 09:27:12

I'm not really even sure what dpo I am as the fertility monitor gave me a month full of highs. It's still asking for sticks!!

You can tell how unsure I am as I've just had a long conversation with my Mum and haven't mentioned it to her. She knows we are trying and have been for ages, she is normally the first person after DP I tell stuff to, and yet I've kept shtum.

fedupofrainydays Tue 14-Jan-14 11:43:53

Yay sebs yay yay yay!!

First one of 2014!!! Hurrah!!

I'm studying to be a personal trainer - bit of a change from my current job but i want to do post natal PT! sebs can be my first client wink

sebsmummy1 Tue 14-Jan-14 11:47:44

Fed up you can see a line?

Ooooh I was just about to join a personal training gym near me do that's a bit uncanny lol

fedupofrainydays Tue 14-Jan-14 12:47:34

Definately grin

Was it within the timeframe?

Amazing. Chuffed for you sebs. Did the physic say this month?!!!

sebsmummy1 Tue 14-Jan-14 12:59:02

Ha ha no!!! One said between March and July, one said I would find out I was pregnant in April and the last guy could see a birth between September and December, so I guess the last guy was the most right (he was the one that was right about my sons birth so that's why I went to see him at Christmas coz I felt totally dreadful as you know.

I think, assuming this is a) a pregnancy and b) a sticky, the due date is September 25th.

Thank you for being so kind xxxx

PunkyBubba Tue 14-Jan-14 13:01:22

Yay Sebs! Can also see the line.. oooh whispered congratulations and fx the line for darker lines in the next few days!!

Just want to clarify that even though I said I couldn't imagine having a newborn (or being pg) and dealing with DS I do obviously wish it was the case..

Hope you're all having good days.. I am a tad hungover, and really tired after a surprise night out with work colleagues.. Looking forward to a quiet night in the hotel tonight, and back to my boys tomorrow!

Just adding, can def see a line grin

sebsmummy1 Tue 14-Jan-14 14:01:02

DP can't.

I swear the digital tests were made for women so they can shove them in the faces of their blokes angry

Lucyjojo Tue 14-Jan-14 14:07:55

I can also see a line Sebs!! Really really hope it's a sticky one for you.
Haha Punky me too! The thought of being pregnant or a newborn is terrifying, but also what I want more than anything in the world confused
Few more days of dtd for me, then the waiting game begins.

sebsmummy1 Tue 14-Jan-14 14:12:04

Thank you Lucy.

Ok i am going to bow out of this thread now as I know it's bittersweet when people get their BFPs.

I may be back sooner than I'd like and i will definitely lurk for happy news.

You have all saved my sanity so many times when i couldn't talk to anyone in real life xxx

Cakebaker35 Tue 14-Jan-14 14:44:32

Wishing you loads of luck sebs <waves>

Lucy which day are you on now? Don't know whether to keep DTD or stop now (I'm day 17) - last cycle was 34 days but one before was 25 so I'm struggling to know when the fertile window is firmly closed! Tbh we're both a bit weary of DTD for this cycle so I think I might now be playing the waiting game. Not hopeful at all though as I think my cycle is just too all over the place for good news this month.

Fedup, training sounds really exciting. Whereabouts are you based? Good luck with the rest of the training.

fedupofrainydays Tue 14-Jan-14 14:53:33

Are you doing a digi? How can he not see that line?'!

sebsmummy1 Tue 14-Jan-14 15:00:29

I've ordered two digis online so they should be here at the weekend.

He was exactly the same with my first pregnancy, wouldn't believe me until the line was the same strength as the control. I have a photo in my album of about 10 tests one after the other getting progressively stronger. Then one day he was all 'ok, you're pregnant lol, i believe you!!'

fed up i am going to quietly lurk around this place as i want to be one of the first to scream yes when you get your positive.

fedupofrainydays Tue 14-Jan-14 15:40:59

Ha ha - thanks seb but after the last one, it will be some very quiet 'yeses' if I ever get a bfp again!! I think I would only feel real til I saw something there at 6 wk scan (even tho that could go wrong my last two pregnancies there was either nothing there or a huge sac!)

fedupofrainydays Tue 14-Jan-14 15:45:13

Thanks cake I'm in Surrey - SW London. Baby boom zone. So hopefully a good market for it. I just enjoy it, and want to help people post baby to feel body confident again / achieve their fitness goals. It means I can be around to take My son to nursery too when he is 3.

sebs before you go, what was the dtd schedule this month? What was different?!

sebsmummy1 Tue 14-Jan-14 16:47:28

Great market for it fed up, there's some money that way wink

I think it could have just been a hormone thing as opposed to doing anything that different. They say around 14 months post partum fertility returns if you are breast feeding, and as you know I only gave up in November. I also noticed my post partum hair loss had stopped within the last 4/6 weeks, so I think my hormones might have just realigned.

Anyhow I used the fertility monitor for the first time, and as it gave me a thousand highs and no peak we may have had more sex.

I did use soft cups (I will happily pop my unused and factory wrapped second one in the post to you if you want to try it). I just popped it in after sex and it's meant to keep the sperm close to the cervix.

Nothing else I don't think xx

zippygeorgebungle Tue 14-Jan-14 18:56:48

wow sebs, I go away for a couple of days and you get your bfp! so very pleased indeed for you. what lovely news for us all! xx

Lucyjojo Tue 14-Jan-14 19:36:51

I was going to ask the same questions! I can't do much about the post partum fertility, but maybe I'll try the cups in a few months if still no luck! What cycle was it for you then Sebs?
Cake I am on cd15, think I will keep dtd but not to the same frequency. How about giving yourself a bit of a break and just doing it for fun 1/2 times a week if you can until AF is due? I am dreading the wait. I always feel relaxed and optimistic first half of the cycle, then turn into a depressed crazy obsessive person in the last week or so. I have actually been giving myself anxiety the past few cycles, constantly worrying and checking whenever I go for a wee. Determined not to go there again this month. Going to try and ignore the date as much as possible so I'm not obsessing when AF is due. Do you know why your cycles have been irregular Cake? My last 3 ones have been too, first time it's ever happened in my life!!
Fedup that sounds like a great thing to be doing, and hopefully you can do some treatments for yourself in a year or so!

sebsmummy1 Tue 14-Jan-14 19:48:18

From what I can see on my app it was my eighth cycle.

Although OH has announced this evening that he sees no line whatsoever on the test and to his mind I am not pregnant do doesn't know why I'm bothering to make plans etc.

I feel so tetchy that I told him to knob off so we're not really talking and I'm posting this from bed as I'm knackered. I said to him that I had anticipated this moment for so many months and thought we would be so excited together. Instead I just want to punch him.

fedupofrainydays Tue 14-Jan-14 19:50:36

Is everyone here trying quite soon after first child then?! Am I the only one that the post partum thing is not relevant any more?

lucy I'm mental in the last two weeks! Only time I wasn't was when I was pregnant - typical isn't it. Cd 6 here.

Thanks sebs sounds like your body just needed some time to get itself back in baby making gear. None of this premenopausal stuff you were stressing about!!

sebsmummy1 Tue 14-Jan-14 19:51:22

Thanks zippy, was thinking if you today xxc

fedupofrainydays Tue 14-Jan-14 19:52:36

It's his way of dealing with it sebs. You said he did the same with your son so go with it... He prob just doesn't want to get too excited too early. He will get there. Xxx

fedupofrainydays Tue 14-Jan-14 19:54:11

It's his way of dealing with it sebs. You said he did the same with your son so go with it... He prob just doesn't want to get too excited too early. He will get there. Xxx

sebsmummy1 Tue 14-Jan-14 19:55:28

He said he could see a line with my son!! He obviously has selective memory as that was definitely not the case.

I will piss on a digi at the weekend and throw it at him lol

Lucyjojo Tue 14-Jan-14 20:18:41

Haha I can picture that Sebs! Sounds like a good plan! I agree with fedup though, he probably just doesn't want to get his hopes up too soon. He will feel soo guilty come the weekend when you get your big fat strong positive line! <quiet optimism of course>
No fedup, it's not relevant to me anymore either. I wanted a 2.5 year age gap so started trying last july, when DD was 1 year and 7 months, and I stopped breastfeeding her when she was 1, so I have none of the hormonal excuses.sad my periods came back when she was about 10 months and they have been as regular as clockwork up until about 3 months ago - when I started getting really worried about ttc some might point out! -

Cakebaker35 Tue 14-Jan-14 20:35:38

Ah sebs, I am sure it's just his way of not getting too excited just in case. But you will be throwing that BFP at him at the weekend, do come back to tell us all about the look on his face smile

Lucy yes I think we need to just try and relax now and dtd if we feel like it, I'm pretty sure I'm past the magic fertile window now. Like you i tend to start off relaxed then turn into a crazy lady for the 2ww! Cycle is irregular as I only came off the pill in oct, so really not been long, it just seems it. Cannot believe I'm such a nutter after such a short time TTC!

My dd is 2, in terms of age gaps all i was sure of was not TTC before she turned 2 so I have my wish I guess!

zippygeorgebungle Tue 14-Jan-14 21:33:28

ha, sebs, there is a bit in that book "The Impatient Woman's Guide to Getting Pregnant" that says something like she will advise every woman not to tell their husband until they have the digi that says Pregnant, every man in the history of home pregnancy tests has looked at a faint line and declared they can't see it, somehow they need the words rather than the line! My kindle is out of charge or I would get the exact bit but she is quite amusing about how it is likely to cause a row I seem to recall.
Perhaps if so they should have a warning like on cigarette packs "Not suitable for husbands as they are not sufficiently equivocal"

Don't let this minor issue bother you sebs, we're all hugely pleased for you and so will he be very soon. x

sebsmummy1 Wed 15-Jan-14 08:12:02

PMSL zippy, I love the idea of warnings on preg boxes.

Well we really aren't talking!! He has disappeared off to work without asking me if the further test is darker or whether the witch has stayed away. Totally bizarre.

Anyway, it will be fine I'm sure.

Loads of love to you all xxxx

fedupofrainydays Wed 15-Jan-14 09:14:14

Some people just deal with things in different ways. He clearly doesn't like the uncertainty of early preg!!

Did you test again this morn, darker? (We want to know even if your husband doesn't yet!!!)

fedupofrainydays Wed 15-Jan-14 09:14:49

Oh and had the pink cm stopped?!

sebsmummy1 Wed 15-Jan-14 09:27:19

It is marginally darker, but nothing to get excited about. He texted me to ask if id tested again and if so would he be able to see the line. I said no.

This line game is very depressing, particularly when the one person you want to see it the most claims he cannot see it at all.

No sign of AF, no more blood. Only thing ive noticed is more mucousy cm which i think is normal.

Cakebaker35 Wed 15-Jan-14 12:12:54

Sebs that sounds v promising indeed! Keeping everything crossed for a lovely clear BFP in a couple more days and your DH can get excited at last.

Zippy, love the idea of a warning on the packs, genius!

Well I think I'm officially playing the waiting game now - AF due anytime from 24th depending on what my crazy cycle is up to this month. Not feeling at all hopeful tbh, but then have moments of ridiculous symptom spotting that get me excited. Really really silly as I don't honestly have any and when I was pregnant first time around I didn't even know until 6 weeks + so clearly my body isn't very good at talking to me!! Now the hard part will be when to test is AF doesn't show her stupid face.

sebsmummy1 Wed 15-Jan-14 13:00:27

Girls a digi has just confirmed it in WORDS. He has apologised and I no longer want to punch his nose grin

Cakebaker35 Wed 15-Jan-14 13:10:23

Amazing news, congratulations sebs flowers

PunkyBubba Wed 15-Jan-14 13:16:17

Woohoo!! Congrats Sebs :-) Sending you lots of baby dust and praying it is a sticky one!

PunkyBubba Wed 15-Jan-14 13:17:21

P.S. Bagsy for me to start the next thread, as it really does seem to be the OPs that get the BFPs!! wink

sebsmummy1 Wed 15-Jan-14 13:26:56

Ha ha I was going to say quick, someone start the new thread!!! grin

fedupofrainydays Wed 15-Jan-14 14:53:43

Go for it punky I've had my go even if it was a non starter.

Good stuff sebs glad it's not in black and white (or grey) for your husband x

zippygeorgebungle Wed 15-Jan-14 17:56:09

well done sebs. I'm so pleased for you, it really has given me a bit of hope x

fedupofrainydays Wed 15-Jan-14 18:45:34

*now not not

PunkyBubba Wed 15-Jan-14 18:47:26

I was just kidding, besides we will all be up-duffed by the time we need a new thread anyway {positive thinking mode on}

fedupofrainydays Wed 15-Jan-14 21:08:55

Hope so punky

fedupofrainydays Thu 16-Jan-14 07:02:02

Hey sebs how do I pm you?? I would like to take up your soft cup offer if it's still going?!

sebsmummy1 Thu 16-Jan-14 07:15:34

I'll PM you chick x

sebsmummy1 Thu 16-Jan-14 15:05:18

Girls, I'm out and I've just gone to the toilet and got dark brown cm in my knickers and when I wiped. Normal? sad

I definitely didn't have this with my last pregnancy.

fedupofrainydays Thu 16-Jan-14 15:46:24

Oh god sebs just got this. Don't panic. It can be normal, as dark blood is old blood and just part of implantation and / or slight breakthrough bleeding as is when period is norm due.

Any pain? And what's it like, mucousy or bloody or watery? Or neither?

sebsmummy1 Thu 16-Jan-14 15:50:52

No I'm losing it, it was a chemical. Now bright red blood, fucking fucking hell.

fedupofrainydays Thu 16-Jan-14 16:01:03

Oh no oh no. That fucking sucks sebs. I'm so so sorry. Xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

fedupofrainydays Thu 16-Jan-14 16:07:57

Oh no oh no. That fucking sucks sebs. I'm so so sorry. Xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

sebsmummy1 Thu 16-Jan-14 16:11:47

I'm on my own, my Mums left and I cannot get hold of DP as he is in meetings all day and isn't picking up any messages. I just want the bleeding to stop and I can then think it was 'one of those things'. Realistically though I have a bad feeling about it.

sebsmummy1 Thu 16-Jan-14 16:12:53

God I have no idea what to do with myself!!! Just waiting for the inevitable is bloody torture.

fedupofrainydays Thu 16-Jan-14 16:22:37

How much bleeding is there? It could just be one of those things and all is fine but I know it's hard to keep your hopes up - I was the same with my last preg as had no bleeding with my son. But people do have this and bleeding in early preg is apparently normal so it's just a stupid, horrible, cruel waiting game. So sorry it's happening tho sebs as wish it was just a smooth, healthy pregnancy. Xx

sebsmummy1 Thu 16-Jan-14 16:28:03

You know when you just know your period is coming. It's like everything just feels really wet and heavy down there and you whack in a tampon or mooncup and know that at any minute full flow will appear. It feels like that.

I am shaking. I just cannot believe it's going to end so quickly. I guess at least I can get on with TTC again.

fedupofrainydays Thu 16-Jan-14 17:15:26


Rubbish that you are on your own. When is your dp home? So sorry sebs, this is so rubbish xxxxxxx

sebsmummy1 Thu 16-Jan-14 17:25:25

I have no idea, he is uncontactable unfortunately.

Well I haven't marked a pad so I guess that's something. I came back from soft play where there had been dark mucous, then as I drove home and run a bath there was dark red blood mixed in. I had a bath and got into my pyjamas, put a pad in and so far, and it's been over an hour, I haven't bled anymore.

I am praying it's something and nothing and it stops. I cannot stop shaking though, it's like I've gone into shock or something.

fedupofrainydays Thu 16-Jan-14 18:00:50

That's good it's not continued but obviously very scary. Hoping its nothing and stops too xxxx

zippygeorgebungle Thu 16-Jan-14 18:05:53

Oh sebs, that sounds very scary. But I had what I assumed was a full period with my pregnancy, it lasted three or four days of intermittent bleeding. Turned out it must have been implantation or some other bleeding. I only did the pregnancy test a week later due to all the other symptoms. And nobody ever explained what the bleeding must have been. So don't lose hope sebs. Lots of rest if you can. fingers crossed xx

Cakebaker35 Thu 16-Jan-14 18:42:51

Oh sebs that sounds so frightening, poor you. As others have said try to rest if you can and it is a really positive sign that the bleeding has stopped. My best friend had a big bleed in early pregnancy, as with zippy it was never explained but all was fine. Keeping everything crossed for you x

sebsmummy1 Thu 16-Jan-14 19:02:01

Thanks girls. DP is home now so I'm a little but more grounded.

Ok, I'm trying to look on the positive. The discharge is now brown and sludgy. The pad has a little dilute brown on it. There is no bright red blood.

I think it's the unknown that is freaking me out. It could go either way at this stage and I can't imagine being able to get a wink of sleep tonight. I am having twinges but I wouldn't say cramps.

I am only approx 14 dpo. I would usually have got my period full flow yesterday. I just think 14dpo is late for implantation, argh I have no idea.

Lucyjojo Thu 16-Jan-14 21:25:25

Arrr Sebs only just reading your messages. How are you doing? Any updates? I know it is no consolation whatsoever as everyones situation is different but I know of a few people who had bleeding in early pregnancy and it was just one of those things. What has DP said?
I'm so sorry you have to go through this, while you were still living on your high too I bet. Life is just so shit sometimes, why do shit things have to happen to good people. It isn't fair that it can't just be a smooth sailing sex to bump to baby. It's what we're here for FFS why is it so complicated!
Sebs you made me get my rant on!!!!
I wouldn't have guessed it's implantation, probably too late on by now? It could just be your body doing weird things for no apparent reason. Did you ever see that programme I didn't know I was pregnant? Women were getting what they thought was their period for 8 months or so!! FX you are ok and this is just a minor and one and only hiccup for you.

sebsmummy1 Thu 16-Jan-14 21:35:38

I would say the same, too late for implantation.

Well for the moment I still just have some light brown watery cm. I really wanted to put a mooncup in because I have no other sanitary wear left and I'm scared I'm going to bleed heavily in the night, however I know your not meant to use them on pregnancy and I also can't get the bloody thing in. So I'm just going to have to hope tonight is quiet.

I saving my last hpt test for tomorrow morn and hoping the line is darker. I did have an opk though so did that and I have a stonking peak reading, so for the moment I still seem to be registering HCG which is something.


Lucyjojo Thu 16-Jan-14 21:55:37

Brown is good! Is a mooncup the thing you were on about to use when ttc? I'd just make yourself some hot chocolate, or preferably horlicks, get an early night, read a book and try and get some sleep. I so hope everything is ok for you in the morning. Good news on the opk reading though. Will be thinking of you xxxx

fedupofrainydays Thu 16-Jan-14 23:22:02

Hope you manage to get some sleep sebs and aren't jumping up every 5 mins on knicker check. I so wish it wasn't happening and all was going smoothly but hopefully it's just a scare and that the red blood has gone makes me think it is. And there are all those stories of bleeding which turned out fine. It won't be implantation as you already been past that as pos test was few days ago now, but could be residual bleeding from it or breakthrough bleeding.

I would say, but don't want to scare you, that watery brown stuff is what they worry about too as can mean ectopic. So if it carries on I would get down to EPU pronto. But very much doubt it's that chick.

I've just been watching sunny beach programme... Amused but also a bit frightened for our kids!! My son if not going there... Ever!

fedupofrainydays Thu 16-Jan-14 23:24:22

But just re read and you said light brown... It's usually dark brown, prune juice they worry about with ectopic (I had this) so think it sounds like it's tapering off for you now and all will be gone and normal tomorrow we hope!! Xx

sebsmummy1 Fri 17-Jan-14 00:16:42

I fell asleep and then woke up thinking it was morning and I've only been asleep an hour and a half. Long night I think!!

The ectopic thing really scares me particularly since they symptoms seem so sketchy really. Well nothing else is happening on pant watch. Had a little bit of stringy dark brown mucous but otherwise the panty liner is pretty clean.

I just don't feel I can start trying to have a scan so early. I conceived 2 weeks ago, so I guess they'd say I was around 4 weeks? I don't think they'd even see anything would they? I have a docs appointment on Wed so if I'm still pregnant I will tell him about the early bleeding and see if they will do a six week scan. It's the same doc who laughed me put the room before so I don't hold out too much hope!!

Mum and I had such aovely day yesterday with my son. It's such a shame it ended with so much stress!!

fedupofrainydays Fri 17-Jan-14 06:48:38

Yeah it's usually a six week scan to determine location but at 5 weeks of you are very concerned they can usually see it. Yes, at 15 dpo you will be 4 weeks preggo now. It does sound good that it's all subsided on pant watch, fx sebs.

With the bleeding doctors norm do suggest scans just to rule out ectopic but he might not if the bleeding has stopped (that's a good thing tho) I'm which case I would pay for an early one at 7 or 8 weeks for piece of mind!!

sebsmummy1 Fri 17-Jan-14 07:31:28

Thanks fed up xxx

Well last night was interesting. No more bleeding but I was up at 12, went to bed again after I'd gone downstairs, watched TV, had a milky drink. Then somehow I slept till about 6am. So not too bad.

Think I'll be able to deal with today a little better as I can at least go to the shops and stock up a bit on sanitary products. The line on the HPT was a lot darker this morning, so that's reassuring.

It's a waiting game now confused

fedupofrainydays Fri 17-Jan-14 07:34:42

That's good re the line. Mine was always quite faint with the last pregnancy so sound like yours is just getting settled in. Fx you won't need those sanitary products xxx

sebsmummy1 Fri 17-Jan-14 09:18:29

I've decided to come off the antenatal thread for the time being as I just don't feel confident this is going to be ok. So I might hang around a little bit longer if that's ok.

I would rather it ended quicker if it's going to end and let me get back on the TTC road and moving forward.

PunkyBubba Fri 17-Jan-14 10:03:51

Sorry you are going through all this worry Sebs. You know we are all thinking of you and hoping this will be ok. I would say the fact you got an early bfp and line is getting darker is a v good sign against EP, but they are all different. I would definitely mention fear of EP to doctor, or even better call EPU directly and self refer. They won't usually scan before 5/6 weeks but can monitor HCG which would give early indications of issues.

Definitely stay with us until you are more confident. We are all rooting for you.xx

sebsmummy1 Fri 17-Jan-14 10:21:48

Yep I will definitely mention the bleeding to the doctor and say there was dark red as well as brown. He is the one who wasn't particularly interested about my fertility concerns last week so I'm not sure if he will refer me, if not I think I will try and self refer and see if they will do an early scan. Otherwise I will go private for some peace of mind xxxx

These are my tests so far, line is defo getting darker I think pray


Lucyjojo Fri 17-Jan-14 10:22:01

Please do stick around Sebs. I'm afraid I'm not much use in the knowledge front, but I am happy to offer cake and support that you hopefully won't need! I would definately mention all of this to the doctor, put on the crazy woman act, tears and hysterics, and tell him you need to know what is going on, if it is going to end you need to know asap so you can move forward and look to the future. But I am hopeful it will all be ok, especially now the bleeding has stopped.

sebsmummy1 Fri 17-Jan-14 10:22:04
Lucyjojo Fri 17-Jan-14 10:23:42

Definately getting darker!!!! How funny, it makes the one from monday barely visible!

Lucyjojo Fri 17-Jan-14 10:24:20

I think going private will be worth the money for the peace of mind. If it gets to that of course!

sebsmummy1 Fri 17-Jan-14 10:34:16

Thanks Lucy xxxx

Would you believe I an actually more stressed out and anxious now than I ever was on my TTC journey. You get so focused on conceiving that you forget there is a further 9 months of concern.

Ok, I an so sorry for turning this I to the Seb Show. I am desperate to STFU and get on with it. If my body could just settle down and start building a small human I would be grateful.

zippygeorgebungle Fri 17-Jan-14 10:44:57

Re the scans sebs, I had one at 5-6 weeks, I had bleeding (after the initial stuff that I thought was AF) , this was a couple of weeks later) when away in a different city, rang NHS direct and they sent me to a walk in, who sent me to A and E, who sent me for a scan the next day. It was an internal one, they could see the corpus luteum etc and said it was a normal early pregnancy. I couldn't see much. But you might not need one, this is all sounding positive! x

Cakebaker35 Fri 17-Jan-14 13:07:25

Sebs that line is so much darker and now the bleeding has stopped it's all going in the right direction - try not to worry, easier said than done I know, but stress is not what you need at the mo! Please do stick around, we're all willing this to be a sticky one xxx

I feel like a nut job even more than normal today, totally symptom spotting for implantation, really really stupid as the likelihood this month is v slim. Just found out another of my NCT group is preggers and although delighted for her I do feel a bit envy

fedupofrainydays Fri 17-Jan-14 14:00:20

Ewcm here but a bit too thick so hot footing it down to boots for some cough medicine!! Ridiculous but necessary for a ttc nutter.

cake I know how you feel. I didn't go to something today with NCT as couldn't face being the only one without two kids. sad

sebs darker test is def a good sign. Fx for you!! Xx

fedupofrainydays Fri 17-Jan-14 14:11:04

And sebs, I turned this it to the fed up show when I went through my mc in sept so don't worth about using this space to not STFU!! Rant a way! And does look much more positive for you that it was for me so am keeping the faith!!

sebsmummy1 Fri 17-Jan-14 15:19:06

Well just some light brown staining on a panty liner today. I have really put my feet up. I have no idea if this actually helps, but I have to admit to throwing myself around soft play yesterday like an idiot and I don't know if that really didn't help!!

Honestly I think it's totally acceptable to take a step back on baby stuff when you're feeling fragile. No one would criticise you for it at all. It's also totally normal to feel a bit green eyed on occasion. The important thing is that you look after yourselves and your family and let everyone else take care of theirs.

Ive decided not to go away for my Birthday this year. It's in less than a month and coincides with half term which always makes things a bit more stressful and I'm just not in the mood for all the packing and driving etc. Instead I've decided that we should have a staycation and take Seb out to all different places throughout the week. So we are going to go to the Zoo for my birthday and there is a huge soft play place about 40 mins away that has a great place for toddlers so I thought we could go there. Try and make it a real family week and if anything happens re mmc I am near home or can go straight home and it will be easier than trying to continue a holiday 5 hours away!!

getagoldtoof Fri 17-Jan-14 20:21:48

Hi all, I have caught up with this thread with baited breath. Oh god, sebs. I can feel the emotion, and I know what you're going through. Everything you do, you wonder, is that going to cause a mc? My guess is there's nothing we can do to protect our little beans, just pray (and I'm 100% not religious). I will be thinking of you lots.

Fedup darling, I saw you did great on your exams and you're thinking of doing personal training. I would love to retrain as a legs bums and tums workout woman...! It's when I'm at my happiest, in the throes of physical exertion. And my LBT woman has killer legs, bum and tum! I've been thinking about you fedup, I'm pleased you're so positive after a horrid 2013.

punky, you're going to have to tell dh off, he needs to play ball at ov time!

I'm thinking of you all and hope when I visit again - no one is here!

Lucyjojo Sat 18-Jan-14 20:45:12

Hi everyone. Sebs how are you doing? I think putting your feet up and trying to relax is the best idea! grin
Fedup does cough medicine thin it down?? I had no idea ewcm had to be a certain thick/thinness to do its job properly! confused
I haven't been doing too well today. I'm just fed up of the whole thing. I have cried about 4 times today and had to pull over the car driving home from work as I was sobbing so hard. Ended up telling my parents tonight too after a the conversation sort of started steering that way....felt a bit better to talk it through in real life, but no one can really help can they?? except maybe fertility specialists and gynecologists....oh and storks!!

fedupofrainydays Sat 18-Jan-14 21:49:15

Yeah, it does - it acts just like cough medicine does in your chest but down there!
I've decided tho that am not ovulating yet as had no ewcm since and think might have been left overs <ahem>
Feeling a bit down as been doing opks last two days as a pregnant friend gave me them and they are these dual hormone ones which say high and peak fertility but have had neither yet and I'm cd 10 but norm ovulate on 11 or 12 so thinking my cycles are prob going to take an age again to sort themselves out after mc. sad
lucy am bored and fed up and tired of it all too. Why can't I just have a baby?
sebs how are you?

fedupofrainydays Sat 18-Jan-14 21:51:14

Oh and hi geta! Obviously the pregnancy is going well - am so pleased for you. Thanks lovely, I have my moments - sometimes positive about the year and other times right rock bottom. To be expected I guess! Take care xxx

Lucyjojo Sat 18-Jan-14 23:01:05

Hopefully you will get a positive tomorrow fedup? There is still a chance yet. Will you keep testing until you do get a positive? I hope your cycles sort themselves out soon. Normally I would be due AF in a week but I am scared to even think too much about it, my last 3 cycles have been all over the place so now I just have no idea where I'm up to or when to expect AF.
I think the january blues are getting to us all, we need some sunshine...and some babies.

fedupofrainydays Sun 19-Jan-14 09:06:58

Ugh. Why did I do opks?! There's a reasons I stopped with them. Yesterday morning I had am empty circle with 5 am wee then I did another with 8 am wee that was fixed smiley. Took out the stick and screen was all blurry again so I think a false positive. However these stupid sticks keep the fixed smiley for two days after you have a peak so I can't retest today!
Sod it. I'm keeping going with our every other day method. No ewcm so I'm pretty sure no ovulation yet.

sebsmummy1 Sun 19-Jan-14 09:22:22

I'm ok thank you. Nothing to report so we will assume all is ticking along.

Fed up this was the month that I 'apparently' didn't ovulate according to clearblue and I also had hardly any EWCM at all. Particularly by comparison to months where I had loads and thought this was a good sign. So don't let those two things make you feel crap first off.

Secondly I think it is entirely plausible for you to ovulate later this month whilst your cycles regulate.


sebsmummy1 Sun 19-Jan-14 09:31:07

Oh Lucy I was exactly the same except I also told random strangers about my fertility issues. I am an absolute over-sharer blush. I really do believe in a problem shared is a problem halved. I also kind of believe in the need to tell the universe what you want, but possibly I could do that in my head and not out loud lol

Keep remembering what my doctor told me. You have already conceived before, I believe all of us with the same partner, so there is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't conceive again. It will happen.

sebsmummy1 Sun 19-Jan-14 09:32:06

Fed up I used to get those blurry screens and it didn't make them false positives. You are ovulating chick! Xxxxxx

sebsmummy1 Sun 19-Jan-14 09:33:55

And you can retest. Those sticks give a reading like any other ov stick. Just dip the stick in the wee and forget the holder. I think the line nearest the wee end is your LH and the other line is oestrogen.

fedupofrainydays Sun 19-Jan-14 10:00:25

No, the last cycle i used opks I had false positives for days! And actually got a real positive about a week later. I've thrown my wee away now! Or would have dunked just the stick but to be honest I just don't believe them any more. I really don't think I am yet either...
Opks put me in a bad mood. Just wish had still left them alone and wouldn't have to deal with this shit!

sebsmummy1 Sun 19-Jan-14 10:19:57

Well you did absolutely great without them so l think leave them alone for now as we know it just ends up with us assuming no ovulation which is total bullshit.

fedupofrainydays Sun 19-Jan-14 10:27:18

Yeah I know. Just wish I hadn't spent 25 quid on them! Idiot. My logic was a friend gave me some spare sticks so I kind of needed to buy some more to have the holder!

Who knows really as think cycles are a bit weird at mo. I could have ovulated already - about 3 days ago. Bit not sure so will keep shagging jic.

LucyJoJo Sun 19-Jan-14 10:29:13

I agree, Fedup leave them alone! They just cause undue added stress and worry and fretting. At the end of the day all we can do is have sex as often as possible. Don't take up skydiving or glue sniffing and hope for the best. Wish I was feeling as sensible and rational as I sound!!!!
Glad everything seems to be ok Sebs.

sebsmummy1 Sun 19-Jan-14 10:42:58

Doc said don't drink don't smoke and shag a lot. Luckily I don't drink or smoke anyway, but that was the best thing you could do to optimise fertility apparently. He said vitamins and supplements were anecdotal.

I am sure most people would say that opks do not actually help you conceive as by the time they give a positive it's too late. I think they can be a useful tool but I do think they can also cause undue worry and anxiety.

sebsmummy1 Sun 19-Jan-14 11:11:48

You know I'm still getting this light brown mucous discharge. I've had it for four days now. It's enough to mark a pad but not absorb into it IYSWIM. I don't feel as hysterical but I know it's not right.

Fed up it reminds me of when you were coming back and talking about there being 'gunk' everyday and we were trying to reassure you. I just don't feel confident that this is going to end well at all.

fedupofrainydays Sun 19-Jan-14 11:14:45

I drink but don't smoke. But don't drink much. And there is a trade off between giving up something that you really like and then getting more worked up and miserable each month. And stress is even worse for ttc! . Plus I don't know anyone that conceived after giving up booze! I also got pregnant with DS around the time I was on a diet of coffee and wine as was working ridiculous hours at the time and needed coffee to stay awake but booze to send me to sleep (have left that job now thank god!) He was actually conceived whilst on the booziest ski holiday I've ever been on!
But i have decided I'm going to not drink in the week and have a couple at weekends / and a blow out on af arrival - ha ha!
Booze apparently affects the man more than the woman too. I have a friend who's husband has low motility and the medical direction is for him to give up booze and not her. (But she's cuts down to support him).

Right - am putting the opks away and I'm getting on with my homework, I've got more exams in 3 weeks and tonnes to do beforehand!

fedupofrainydays Sun 19-Jan-14 11:17:26

Yeah it was like that for me sebs. And worse after I did a poo. I never bled though properly - and wasn't bright red until I passed it. Have you done another test?

My advise would be to wait til you are over five weeks and if still bleeding trot down to EPU for scan to at least locate the pregnancy. 6 weeks if you can wait that long / to be sure of dates etc.

It can be normal sebs but obviously my experience it wasn't. But that's not to say yours is the same chick xxx

fedupofrainydays Sun 19-Jan-14 11:20:02

Actually sebs mine was watery brown / more dark and wasn't mucousy. Dark watery brown is what they worry about with ectopic. Sit tight chick but I know it's hideous xxxxxx

fedupofrainydays Sun 19-Jan-14 11:38:36

Ps. We just booked flights to Canada for friends wedding on September so being pregnant this month or next would not be ideal.

sebsmummy1 Sun 19-Jan-14 11:49:05

Oooooh something to look forward to!! I would love to visit Canada, nearly booked it once then ended up allocating the money elsewhere. Exciting!!

Well I ended up doing a very dilute POAS just now and the line is still darker than yesterdays. I was contemplating self referring to my local Early Scan Unit but it is just too early and I know I will end up just getting myself worked up and I'd probably cry.

I will just wait for Wednesday and see what the doctor says. As you rightly say I can then self refer later on if I'm still spotting and see if they will scan me.

sebsmummy1 Sun 19-Jan-14 11:50:52

Re drinking,I agree, no point giving up something you enjoy and that relaxes you. I guess it's the everything in moderation rule and I'm sure he was probably referring to both partners and just trying to encourage a healthy lifestyle.

zippygeorgebungle Sun 19-Jan-14 11:56:03

I've not drunk for ages due to pregnancy and feeding for a further 21 months, but have decided to enjoy a few now while I can. Not many, and I only drink maybe 2 or 3 times a month, but while I can (before pregnancy number 2!) I'm going to enjoy a couple.

My blood test results of day 3 came back and I managed to get to speak to a GP on the phone. She said they are loads better than in October when I was still bfing which is good, and she said the FSH is in the ideal zone and I'm lucky it is so low because usually it is higher by 35 and gets higher towards menopause so it looks, she said, as though I am many years away from menopause from the test and have very good egg reserves.

Hardly a guarantee but I cling on to any good news obviously..

Take care sebs. We are all rooting for you. xx
fedup, sound like a surefire way of succeeding this month booking a trip like that! Something to look forward to either way x

sebsmummy1 Sun 19-Jan-14 12:09:58

Zippy that is an EXCELLENT result from the doctors, so you are pretty much working right now hormonally. We just have to get you knocked up grin

I hear fantastic things about the sperm meets egg plan. Have you tried that?

Cakebaker35 Sun 19-Jan-14 13:55:28

Just catching up on the thread ladies, January is definitely a tough month I think.

lucy I know exactly what you mean about just getting really emotional, I'm having days where I just can't seem to hold it together and I'm getting really pissed off with myself as I'm just not normally so wimpy! I'm also due in about a week's time but same as you with cycles all over the place so it's really hard to tell. I had EWCM yesterday which was cd22 so what is that all about?! Madness.

sebs it's great that the line is darker and I know it is easy to say it but try not to worry and talk through any worries with the doc on weds.

fedup Canada sounds fantastic, and the sort of thing that's very likely to mean you end up with a BFP just when it's not convenient, fingers crossed grin

zippy great news on those results from the doc, definitely something to cling to!

As for not drinking etc, I'm not this month just because of Christmas excess but I conceived dd when I was hammered and was drinking pretty regularly before finding out I was preggers so not a great advert but I think it has very little to do with things. Obviously not advocating drinking once you do know, but the odd tipple now and again especially when things are stressful wont hurt IMHO.

Hang in there everyone, I'm convinced we'll be hearing another BFP on this thread sometime soon! X

fedupofrainydays Sun 19-Jan-14 20:17:36

zippy that's fab with results! Does is take the pressure off in anyway knowing that all is ok, good egg reserve etc?

Yeah, we have lots goings on now which most mean a pregnancy would be inconvenient. I have just been trying to get on with life rather than devote it to ttc another baby!

Spent last night surrounded by babies and my son was so cute with them. Playing, tickling then and giving cuddles. It was so sweet and I just want him to have his own brother or sister soon.

LucyJoJo Sun 19-Jan-14 20:59:46

I'm dreading DD getting older and starting to ask questions about a brother or sister or baby, she absolutely loves babies hmm
Great news with your results Zippy, that is awesome, hopefully it will help you relax a bit more about it?
Fedup you are doing the right thing just getting on with your life. It is so hard though isn't it as it's always going to be in the back of your mind. Sometimes I have an hour or two where I have been concentrating on a book or conversation or something and I realise I haven't thought about babies or ttc for at least an hour! It's great! Now I just need to extend that to a few days....after my emotional breakdown yesterday I have decided to sod the lot of it and get on with the rest of my life too if I don't have any success soon. Which may involve quitting my job and going back to college, which isn't ideal financially but I need something else to focus on this year!
I'm not confident for this cycle, next month I am going to really throw my all at it for a final blow out, no booze, cut down on caffeine, no takeaways, no processed foods, start doing some exercise, have sex allll the time..it will be exhausting but at least I will know I have done EVERYTHING I possibly could have to make it happen. Also I think I will book a Dr appointment. Anyone want to join me?? grin
I think it is ok to drink in moderation whilst ttc, you do need something to keep you sane.
Sebs glad you got a darker line, I'm sorry you're still having to go through the what ifs though. I so hope it all works out ok for you, you deserve it after all this time. It doesn't seem fair after all this time waiting to get those two special lines once you do you still can't relax and enjoy it. It's all just such a cruel waiting game angry

fedupofrainydays Sun 19-Jan-14 21:11:09

That made me laugh lucy is I'm the same... 'Oh, I haven't thought about being pregnant or babies for two hours today'. I must admit I am very very far off being able to say 'days' hours is hard enough wink

I'm supposed to have given up coffee at the moment as am having my teeth whitened (got some groupon deal and it's something you can't do if pregnant so went for it!) but I cannot live without coffee at the mo as just too tired. I've been having milky coffees (they said this was ok) but my teeth aren't much whiter yet so may have to man up and go cold turkey with the old caffeine! Eeeek.

LucyJoJo Sun 19-Jan-14 21:17:13

I love coffee too! I have managed to cut down to two cups a day, with a few teas thrown in there too. I literally cannot function without coffee. It was such a struggle when I found out I was pg with DD, but next month I will try my hardest to keep it to one cup a day, or just even stick with tea! Ah the sacrifices we have to make....

fedupofrainydays Mon 20-Jan-14 09:47:53

Other did other opk this morn (I know I said I wouldn't but have the packet and am intrigued now) and think I have a genuine smiley face. I don't think I will ever see the flashing one. It's peak or nothing with me it appears. Better get shagging again tonight. I'm knackered tho!!

fedupofrainydays Mon 20-Jan-14 09:48:26

Ok not other other... Weird phone

Sebs - how are you doing my lovely??

sebsmummy1 Mon 20-Jan-14 09:53:40

Did the sticks look like a peak fed up? I didn't think I ever got a false positive on those sticks but god who knows!!!! No wonder people end up not trusting anything including the rather expensive monitor I have sitting in my cupboard.

I am actually very good. The discharge now has the slightest tinge of brown, getting lighter every day. So it does seem as though it could have just been getting rid of old blood along with the increased cm pregnancy generates.

No symptoms other than the positive pregnancy tests though. It is weird to hear about other peoples morning sickness when I am scoffing down breakfast.

Fingers crossed for everyone this cycle. Hopefully 2014 is going to see some lovely positive results.

fedupofrainydays Mon 20-Jan-14 09:59:11

I am pleased sebs. Sounds like getting rid of old gunk for the good gunk (if you know what I mean!)

Yeah - no blurry lines or screens this time and two good lines. Think will try have sex tonight and tomorrow. Not sure can handle much more than that at the mo!

sebsmummy1 Mon 20-Jan-14 10:02:47

Fantastic. Yep, sex tonight and tomorrow then one day off and the next for luck. Keep pissing on the sticks just to check the peak passes. How exciting grin

zippygeorgebungle Mon 20-Jan-14 10:18:45

So glad for you sebs. We needed good news on here. Hello to everyone else. I really enjoy the support on here.

fedupofrainydays Mon 20-Jan-14 11:07:11

Yeah but those daft sticks make you wait two days after smiley to be able to use holder again!!

It's sunny today so makes everything seem a whole lot better. This rain has been hideous!

fedupofrainydays Mon 20-Jan-14 12:33:06

At a huge soft play this morning and I'm def the only one with just one child (or bump). It's stuff like this that's a right slap in the face isn't it? Was doing quite well emotionally today too sad

Consoling myself with an illegal latte and a white chocolate muffin. Promise to clean my supposed to be whiter teeth when get home and will go to the gym (and have sex) tonight to burn it off smile

PunkyBubba Mon 20-Jan-14 15:57:37

I know exactly what you mean.. DS goes to TumbleTots, and is in the 2-3 year bracket.. So many of the other mums are there with small babies in carriers/prams/car seats.. It does feel like a slap in the face :-(

My Ov sticks are still negative.. CM seems to be on the change though. Am meant to be working away until Wednesday but couldn't go as I have done my back in. Good thing as it means I get to wfh, and am sharing a bed with DH.. but not sure how I'm going to convince him to BD when I have spent all day shuffling around the house like a hunchback.. not exactly the biggest turn on!

zippygeorgebungle Mon 20-Jan-14 21:17:56

fedup you are so right. We live near a lovely big park with a great cafe full of mums and yesterday there were tiny babies everywhere in it. I do some sort of baby thing a few times a week and even though my baby isn't quite 2 it does seem that everyone is already on with the second.

What day are you on punky? I know the frustration with negatives too.So much for these blood tests, on day 14 here and not even a high fertility sign from the fertility monitor yet. I don't seem to ovulate until ridiculously late though, hoping it will happen earlier now the levels are a bit more normal.

fedupofrainydays Tue 21-Jan-14 07:04:38

Hopefully it will be us all juggling two very soon.

Getting up this morn for work was hard as it's so cold and my walk to station is pitch black. 12 hours and will be home again.
Have a good day everyone!

fedupofrainydays Tue 21-Jan-14 07:07:50

Oh and punky I hope your back gets better soon. Sounds so painful.
I hope both you and zippy get your pos opks soon. I'm an early ovulator so if I haven't had anything by cd 12 it's very weird but then I have 25 day cycles (or thereabouts!) waiting for a stupid smiley face is almost as bad as getting bfns isn't it?

Cakebaker35 Tue 21-Jan-14 08:20:54

Punky I know exactly what you mean about soft play, very hard to go at the moment. And my bad back was helped by DTD so go for it! Hope you feel better soon.

Cd25 here, argh must resist poas until Saturday if AF hasn't rocked up to spoil things....time is standing still.

PunkyBubba Tue 21-Jan-14 08:53:21

Day 13 here. I didn't ov until day 20 last cycle, but prior to that had always been day 13. Am hoping I don't need to wait until day 20 this cycle as it is driving me up the wall already. DH seems really down and out of sorts at the moment.. though he keeps saying nothing is wrong, and I don't want to start pushing about DTD until we need to.. though I really just want to go for it this month. I need to have a word with him later about it all, as it just depresses me as I feel like I am walking on eggshells again. :-/

Back is slightly better today. It is more the standing up and sitting down bit that hurts.. and then when I stand up I am a bit stiff for a while (hence the hunchback) and then it is ok until I have to sit down again! Oh well, like I said at least it means I get to stay home this week.

Happy Tuesday! (only 4 days until the weekend!) ;-)

Cakebaker35 Tue 21-Jan-14 09:14:46

Oh punky, it's so tough isn't it, your DH sounds similar to mine, he's very busy with work etc and is walking around like he has the weight of the world on his shoulders at the moment, so it is hard to then go anyway let's DTD! Hope your back is on the mend soon, hang in there x

TallalittletownofBethlehem Tue 21-Jan-14 10:08:13

Hello all waves

Not sure if anyone remembers me, I was on fred one, now been TTC for two years (AF started this morning 3 days late the cow).

Anyway we have our referral to the fertility clinic through and the appt is on the 29th Jan confused

I am dead nervous.

Now I will go back and read the rest of the fred grin

LucyJoJo Tue 21-Jan-14 15:57:58

Punky I too suffer with a bad back, all DDs fault, I think if I have another one I will turn into the hunchback!! I am going for physio for it but it doesn't seem to be working as well as I would hope. DTD certainly doesn't help, especially when I try and keep my legs up in the air afterwards blush but needs must and all that....
Hope your chat with DH goes ok tonight.
Cake how long are your cycles again? I'm sorry my memory is terrible. Do you think you can wait until sat to POAS? I will be having a poas party too on sat as we are having an actual party on sat night and I would like to know if I can drink or not! I was just going to wait for AF to show up this month though as I can't be doing with any more bfns. Party will be good commiseration anyway though.
Fedup I'm with you on the second babies everywhere. I am finding it harder and harder to take DD anywhere toddler/fun related as there are just bumps and babies everywhere. It's not even babies that get me though, it's seeing any siblings together and wondering if DD will ever have that sad There was a woman in the knitting shop earlier telling the cashier that she was starting knitting for a woman at her work, she'd just found out she pregnant with number 2, her DC was 3, what wonderful, happy news yadda yadda, and I just thought come on! Of all the times I could have gone into the shop I had to overhear that!!!! angry
Sebs how are you feeling? Have you made your booking in apt yet?

LucyJoJo Tue 21-Jan-14 16:00:01

Zippy hope you get your +ve opk soon, which sticks are you using?
Hello Talla I am a newbie on this thread, but hello to you! 2 years, you poor thing, how have you coped?? Do you have one DC already? Good luck with your appt, will be interesting to hear what the Dr has to say.

Cakebaker35 Tue 21-Jan-14 18:11:08

Hello Talla, really good luck with your appt, do let us know how you get on.

lucy don't worry it's impossible to remember everyone's details! My cycles have been 27, 25 and 34 days so far! Saturday would be cd29 and I am determined not to test before then, I know in my heart of hearts this month is very unlikely and I'd just be happy to have a sensible cycle. So lets make a deal - we keep each other for testing til sat ok? Your party will be fab either way, as you say you can commiserate if not but maybe just maybe it could be a real celebration, fingers crossed x

Cakebaker35 Tue 21-Jan-14 18:11:35

From not for!

sebsmummy1 Tue 21-Jan-14 18:27:01

Hi girls I am ok. Have my docs appointment tomorrow so will let you know what he says re. bleeding. I suspect nothing lol going from my last experience with him.

I am having normal pregnancy discharge now. Not brown at all. Fingers crossed for all of us xx

fedupofrainydays Tue 21-Jan-14 22:10:35

Phew. Sounds like it just was a bit of breakthrough bleeding then sebs. Hurrah!

So husband is out tonight and just went to the loo to find (sorry way tmi) a v long ewcm bit. I find it funny how this would have previously grossed me out (am super squeamish) but now I'm like oooooooh. Although I really think I need to do the cough medicine thing as mine is quite rubbery more than watery / slippery. So even though I have it, it doesn't feel like the right stuff. FFS!

Good luck talla I was Fred one and remember you! Bum that we are both still here sad

Cakebaker35 Wed 22-Jan-14 09:01:25

Sebs, good luck today, do keep us posted flowers

Fedup, I thought all EWCM was the right stuff, never knew texture mattered! You are a cm expert! grin

PunkyBubba Wed 22-Jan-14 09:17:00

Good luck today Sebs, thinking of you!

Hi Talla, sorry you are still in this situation after 2 years. Wishing you lots of luck with your appointment.

Thanks Cake and Lucy, back seems a bit better today, and yes we DTD last night.. I only managed about half the chat with DH that I practised in my mind, but it worked for this month anyway.. or maybe it was the floods of tears that did it.., either way it is a pretty good job something worked as I got an 'almost' positive on the OPK stick yesterday. Bit of a surprise coming from nothing the previous day (not even a squinter).. so hopefully going to DTD again today, and maybe tomorrow if temperature hasn't jumped up by then.

Hopefully too this is a sign my cycle is getting back to normal(ish)..

FedUp I'm with you on the cough mixture next month though. When I said in an earlier post EWCM was 'on the change' it was (TMI ALERT) really thick.. I'd never seen it that thick before.. and again was waiting for lots of EWCM like last month to start BD.. but now I get the OPK (almost) positive) out of nowhere and hardly any CM, and what is there is really thick.. Talk about head-f***.. it's hard enough ttc without getting a curveball every month!!

I had my legs and bum propped up for half the night though so hoping that helped a bit!

Right, on with some work now.. Happy Wednesday!!

LucyJoJo Wed 22-Jan-14 09:18:07

Gosh Cake we are quite similar! My last 3 cycles have been 23,24 and 34 days!! I'm used to 26 day cycles, I haven't come off the pill or stopped breastfeeding so I'm guessing it's just down to stressing myself out over ttc sad I am just the same as you, I don't feel optimistic for this cycle, and I too would just love to get back to normal cycles. sat will be cd26 for me. Sounds like a date Cake!! Two parties for me on sat!!
Good luck with your Dr tomorrow Sebs!
Fedup maybe perhaps you are reading too much into it!!??grin have you been drinking the cough medicine? Did you manage to dtd last night?

LucyJoJo Wed 22-Jan-14 09:19:33

*today Sebs!

Tallalime Wed 22-Jan-14 09:34:08

Hi fedup I remember you too. Lovely to see you (though it sucks to be Fred 1 alumni)

Hello everyone else grin

Are congrats in order sebs so pleased for you!

So 2 years! I am actually OK about it now. I was very upset from about 6 - 18 months. Every month was a crushing blow. Now I am just used to it. AF was three days late this month and I didn't even take a test shock

All my hormone tests and DH's sperm test have come back normal so just have to wait and see what the 'invasive' tests throw up.

Luckily we do have DD (6) who is fabulous. The hardest thing is that she is desperate for a sibling. That really hurts sad

sebsmummy1 Wed 22-Jan-14 10:19:40

Just got back from docs, he is going to refer me to the EPAU next week. So that's something!!

Punky the positive opk sounds, errr positive!! grin. Have you found your ovulation has moved forward? I know I went from ovulating on cd 16 post bfing to around cd12. That seemed to be quite a good sign in the end.

I'm going to list my pretty much brand new cbfm on eBay soon, so let me know if anyone wants first dibs. I've still got some unused sticks as well. I'm not going to promise anything but it did get me knocked up so I guess it can't be too dreadful although I only got highs the month I used it, but I do think that made us have more sex. Who knows!!

Cakebaker35 Wed 22-Jan-14 13:03:50

Great news sebs! And also punky, definitely something to feel positive about!

lucy we certainly are similar! Thanks for the hand holding until sat!

sebsmummy1 Wed 22-Jan-14 15:57:47

You really couldn't have made my afternoon up. Take seb to playgroup, this is our third time there, am quite friendly with the lady that runs it. She knows I'm newly pregnant, she also knows I had a bleed last week. Well she spends 10 mins at least giving me every bloody horror story of friends and people she knows who have lost pregnancies and in two instances, full term babies sad It was like she got onto a roll and couldn't stop.

My face was just set into a look between wide eyed amazement and utter bewilderment. Why would you say stuff like that to a newly pregnant frightened person!!

As I was leaving she shook her head at me, pulled a sad face and then mouthed an animated good luck.

People never cease to shock me quite honestly.

Fedup I posted the Softcup, sorry it wasn't earlier so you could have used it this cycle xxx

fedupofrainydays Wed 22-Jan-14 17:17:35

Oh how horrible!! What a stupid woman! Perhaps she thought you had lost it cos of the bleed and was 'trying' to make you feel better through the usual 'oh it's so common to miscarry' rubbish that I always get! Even so... What a dick! Hope you are ok and you aren't talking any of it on board.

Ah, thanks for soft cup, much appreciated. Got another load of ewcm today so not quite sure what's going on. Didn't manage to have sex last night as DH was out til 1 but will try conjure up some energy tonight!

talla glad all the tests were normal but eeeek re invasive ones. Sound a bit scary but hopefully get you resolution if needed.

Wishing all those (and their OH) in the fertile zone all the energy and enthusiasm required for sufficient shagging!

sebsmummy1 Wed 22-Jan-14 17:21:45

Oh no! Because I said to her, well my pregnancy test moved up to the next conception date bracket so at least it shows the hormone seems to be increasing, so that's something! To which she replied, ' aaaah well sometimes your body continues to act as though you are pregnant but then you go to your scan and......' Well you can imagine how that ended sad.

People are just so shockingly foot in mouth sometimes.

Lots and lots of luck for the 2ww everyone xxxx

Cakebaker35 Wed 22-Jan-14 17:45:44

Sebs how awful, she sounds like a total witch! Words fail me at how bloody stupid people can be, you would definitely think someone running a toddler group would know better! Poor you, hope you're not too full of rage about it.

Fedup good luck with tonight!

Still playing the waiting game here. Trying to avoid crazy symptom spotting. The only thing that's different is I'm kind of off my food a bit (not like me!) and just really want meat...a big burger would be ideal.

sebsmummy1 Wed 22-Jan-14 18:29:05

Cake the only thing I noticed this time was creamy discharge on 9dpo, this was a good sign for me. Lots of luck.

Thing is lady is very very nice. I just think she knew not what she was doing. Perhaps she'll sit bolt upright at 3am this morning and think OMG, what did I say!!!!! grin

Cakebaker35 Thu 23-Jan-14 18:12:40

I really hope that lady gives you an apology next time you see her sebs!

Still desperately trying to hold out to poas til Saturday unless AF rocks up before them. Technically I could still be too early on sat but as cycles are a bit irregular i thought cd29 not a bad bet and I will go fully bonkers if I wait longer

LucyJoJo Thu 23-Jan-14 21:04:56

I think cd29 is a good middle ground Cake. Don't you dare do it before then!
Well I have been feeling sick all day and building my hopes and getting just a little bit excited. But now I'm home I realise I am totally imagining symptoms. I think AF is for sure on her way, all the usual signs are there and no vague indications that maybe I have started growing a tiny person. I will definately not be in the mood for a party on saturday if I get a bfn, even if I can drown my sorrows. Oh ladies, how do you keep going! Talla you are so brave to have gotten this far and to be relaxed about it all. Are you still hopeful and feeling positive that your time will come? Glad the tests all came back clear. I can imagine how hard it must be for you with your DD, I am feeling more and more now like I desperately want another child just for my daughter to have company more than anything else.
Sebs what a strange woman! Is there a chance she too is ttc? maybe she felt she needed a rant and you just happened to be in the line of fire!! I bet she really did wonder what the hell had come over her when she got home!!
Would you recommend the fertility monitor even if you are managing to get sort of positives on ics?
I think I might try acupuncture too next month, anyone got any advice/tips?

Cakebaker35 Thu 23-Jan-14 22:09:30

Don't worry Lucy, I'm hanging in there til sat just like you. Also imagining symptoms and basically being a grumpy old cow! blush

fedupofrainydays Thu 23-Jan-14 23:24:33

Oh I want her to go away. Just go away. Another snug announcement of # 2. Going to deactivate my Facebook as can't cope with it. sad

LucyJoJo Thu 23-Jan-14 23:37:21

Oh Fedup, we are all there/here with you. Sending you some hugs and cake. I think avoiding facebook can only be a good thing.

fedupofrainydays Fri 24-Jan-14 07:57:31

Thanks lucy. It didn't help that I was a bit drunk after some work peoples leaving drinks, and then cried the whole way home in the train! Looney! Need to get a grip but it's just so unfair isn't it?

sebsmummy1 Fri 24-Jan-14 08:12:22

Facebook manages to make the majority of user's lives seem perfect. I don't know how really. I'm guessing it's because it gives a snapshot of information as opposed to the whole picture. Just use it infrequently and hide the newsfeed of those whose feed you think may be painful for you.

Loads if hugs from me too xx

Cakebaker35 Fri 24-Jan-14 10:04:55

Oh fedup it's rubbish isn't it. I'm just trying to gear myself up to head out to the local soft play with a bunch of friends who are all preggers or have two, I even thought about pretending to be ill and cancelling but it's not fair on dd so I just need to pull myself together and get out.....arghhhh....hard.

LucyJoJo Fri 24-Jan-14 11:21:54

Oh bless you Fedup. Crying on the train oh dear!!
Well AF just got me, so looks like I'm going to have stand you up on saturday cake.
Why do I still want to cry even though I knew it was coming?
It's practically two days early too which gives me a luteal phase of 10 days at best, I have no hope of ever conceiving do I??? sad
Now I have a whole day of work to get through before I can go and give my beautiful DD a big cuddle.

Cakebaker35 Fri 24-Jan-14 12:15:15

Oh Lucy I am so sorry. Well I think you need to indulge in lots of wine at your party tomorrow! And you will get pregnant, this just wasn't your month but you can now wipe the slate clean and embark on a shagathon next cycle! Wishing you lots of luck x

LucyJoJo Fri 24-Jan-14 12:32:58

Thanks Cake, I will be getting well and truly stuck into the wine tomorrow. How early is too early to start!?
I so hope you are right Cake, but with each month that passes it is easy to lose hope. I did absolutely everything right this month too. I am a bit worried about my LP, and think I will book a Drs app to get the ball rolling. I never wanted to have to go down that route though sad
How are you feeling?

sebsmummy1 Fri 24-Jan-14 12:41:57

Lucy LP doesn't tend to change each month (fed up taught me that! wink) the follicular phase is what tends to be inconsistent. Are you sure you OVed when you did? Are you sure this couldn't be implantation, is it heavy or just spotting?

I've had light brown discharge today. Trying not to panic, more pissed off than anything as I'd just started to feel more confident.

Cakebaker35 Fri 24-Jan-14 13:06:10

I know it's easy to say but try not to lose hope Lucy, I may have got it wrong but seem to remember you've not been trying for many months yet like me? I feel exactly like you, just want it to happen and just need to remind myself this is still early in the ttc stakes compared to some. As sebs said maybe you just didn't ov when you thought so perhaps opks may help with that next month. I'm feeling very bloated and just feel sure AF is on it's way. Although I'm going to poas tomorrow in theory I could still be early as AF due anytime from middle of this week to end of next I think! So irritating this random cycle stuff.
Sebs, light brown discharge is fine I'm sure, just a little bit of gunk being dislodged in there! X

fedupofrainydays Fri 24-Jan-14 13:13:09

sebs the soft cup just arrived - thank you thanks

It's scarily big! I feel a little frightened by it!!

fedupofrainydays Fri 24-Jan-14 13:17:06

Just seen the brown discharge bit - try not to worry. Your tests got darker / conception indicator went up so I think it should be ok. Hard not to worry though. Perhaps it's twins just bedding in nicely?!

lucy could it be implantation? Yeah LP stays the same normally it's the bit before ov that does. Like I have ovulated on day 8 and day 15 but af always arrived 13 or 14 days after.

LucyJoJo Fri 24-Jan-14 13:25:04

Oh Sebs how cruel, I really hope it's nothing for you. Is there alot? Did you doc say go to the hospital (forgotten the name of the place where you go -epc is it??) if you had any more bleeding/discharge or if you were worried? It just won't let us be this baby making will it.
No I did have a vague thought it could be IB, but it is heavy and very red and I am getting period pains and cramps, so definately AF. I was feeling just a teensy bit hopeful this month too.
I got a positive opk on tues 14th, so would have ov'd within 36 hours, so even a 10 day LP is pushing it isn't it? I thought the same about LP not changing too Sebs, but my cycles seem to be saying different recently. I have used opks for the past 3 months, and my LP seems to vary between 10-13 days. Or at one point about 20!! DO you think it could be that my ov is delayed after getting the positive or am I just not using opks correctly!!??
Cake this was my 7 th cycle. Not as long as some I know, but my cycles have been getting more and more irregular, and I just have a bad feeling about it all. Huge good luck to you for tomorrow, hopefully your cycle will be a bit more normal this month, but obviously a bfp would be better! How long have you been trying for?

LucyJoJo Fri 24-Jan-14 13:25:36

Did you manage to get to soft play this morning?

sebsmummy1 Fri 24-Jan-14 13:29:19

I thought the same fed up when I saw it!! But actually it goes in very easily and you just hoik it out in the morning.

I think it's not so much the light brown discharge itself, but the worry it could turn into something else as the day(s) progresses. So you end up being in crotch watch all the time and id just got out of doing that!!

I'm sitting on the sofa watching some 'interesting' kids TV while DS throws himself all over me with a cd in one hand and the remote in the other. We did softplay yesterday with granny and it was very good, he goes down the large slide on his own now, on his tummy. Funnily enough I don't see any pregnant ladies at these places!

Cakebaker35 Fri 24-Jan-14 13:32:33

Ah Lucy, sorry I thought you'd been trying for a little less time. This is cycle 4 for me but the 1st one of really properly trying rather just seeing what might happen. So really a very short time compared to some but all new to me too as i got pregnant immediately with dd so consider myself very lucky indeed, especially as I was over 35. Do you mind if I ask if you're over 35? If so then a trip to the GP may be worth it but otherwise I think they may send you away?
We did make it to soft play and I instantly felt bad about not wanting to go when I saw my lovely friends - I really am very pleased for those with bumps, so just tried to stop thinking of me for a change and get excited for them, they deserve it.

sebsmummy1 Fri 24-Jan-14 13:33:47

Lucy are you using the clearblue opks with the flashing and static faces? Are you backing opks up with monitoring EWCM and temping.

If it were me I would want to pinpoint OV using something like FertilityFriend just incase you were getting false readings on opks. I assume you don't have PCOS as I know that can make using opks difficult.

LucyJoJo Fri 24-Jan-14 13:53:24

No I was just using ics, but the positive I got was on one I got from a chemist, so a bit more 'superior' to ics but still not quite a clearblue smiley. I am a bit daunted by the cost of them, but think I will bite the bullet this month and just buy some. I do monitor ewcm, do I assume once it's all gone that ov has been and gone? Think I need to up my game ladies!! Will sign up to FF or something tonight when I get home, buy some goodies from amazon and dig out my thermometer. I will be coming back to you for lots of advice as the month goes on!!
In terms of PCOS, I have never been diagnosed with it, but am starting to wonder if it's possible to develop it in your late 20s? After having DC already? I am 28 this year and while I have always had regular cycles, I do have a few of the symptoms of PCOS and after having irregular cycles recently it has got me wondering....
I think the doctor probably will turn me away as I already have a DD, my age and it's only been 7 months, but at least I can let them know so if it does get to twelve months then they will know where I am up to.
Glad you went and enjoyed soft play cake.
Tummy sliding sounds like fun!! Wish they did soft play for big kids!!

Tallalime Fri 24-Jan-14 14:56:31

You can hire one of the soft play places near us out for adult parties grin I haven't.... yet.

I am not sure how positive I feel about ever getting pregnant again now. After 2 years trying it seems so unlikely. But I have (mostly) come to terms with it. It's just DD's really obvious desire for a sibling that keeps us going.

I'm interested to see what the clinic throws up. I don't have PCOS I know that. I do have some of the symptoms of Endo but they may just be in my head.

I definitely need to lose weight so I am working on that blush

I'm not sure if we would go the IVF route. We could afford it but having seen friends go through it, and it not working, and knowing my own personality I think I might get sucked in and want to try again and again. So we'll see.

DH and I have discussed it and if we do go that route I will be donating eggs too - hopefully help someone else have a baby too. Because the feeling of not being able to absolutely sucks. And at least we have DD.

Try not to fret about the discharge sebs - I had many bleeds with DD up to 18 weeks and she was always fine. I was a wreck mind smile

Cakebaker35 Fri 24-Jan-14 17:07:44

Wow Lucy I'm 10 years older than you! Definitely worth getting checked out for pcos and I'd do as others have suggested on the temping, opk and all that jazz. I'm sure that's what your doc with suggest too.

Talla, I wish there was an icon for hats off to you but have these instead flowers - I'm so impressed by how sensible you sound when I'm nuts already after a relatively short time TTC. You're my new hero grin

zippygeorgebungle Fri 24-Jan-14 19:44:36

oh fedup, I understand entirely the grrr feeling on hearing everyone else's good news.

My moment today was talking to a grandma by the swings who had a 13 month old with a brother or sister on the way in a few months. I said that was quick work, and she kept going on about how great it was to have a small age gap and there were many years between her and her brother and it wasn't the same and she had been telling her daughter to get on with it quickly etc. Obviously she had no idea that the stranger she was chatting to was struggling but for me AF hadn't even come back by 13 months never mind pregnancy 2!

My body seems to be attached to this bfing business, I always had loads of milk and it is still there (just little drops) almost three months after stopping. No wonder my hormone levels were so affected by it.

sebs, is all ok? x

sebsmummy1 Fri 24-Jan-14 20:25:49

Think so zippy, no idea really. Had some mucous discharge this evening on the pad and when I wiped. Whenever I google anything it always seems to be negative, I guess that's the internet for you!

You know the world is full of foot-in-mouth strangers. Forgive them as they know not what they do. I was in Tesco with Seb earlier and had a very sweet look from a lady on her own around my age. I couldn't help but wonder if she had her own children, or perhaps couldn't have her own children and felt a pang looking at me. You just don't know of you. The most innocent of conversations could be a dagger to the heart of someone else.

Cakebaker35 Sat 25-Jan-14 10:30:44

Okay ladies...so poas this morning and....very faint line! But it was using a sainsburys test and having googled it it sounds like they aren't v good?? Argh, don't know what to think now, I've no experience of what an evaporation line looks like but I def think there was a faint line on mine but DH said not to get hopes up just in case. Bit impossible though! Think the only thing to do is go and buy an expensive clearblue one that actually says the words?? Won't be able to until tomorrow though...

sebsmummy1 Sat 25-Jan-14 10:39:58

Omg omg omg lol grin

Ok, how many days past ov are you first off? Second of all is the faint line the color of the dye (blue or pink). If so I do not think it's an evap. I had so many people shout evap at my test and it wasn't, so don't be too discouraged by people in the internet.

sebsmummy1 Sat 25-Jan-14 10:41:14

Noooo the words tests aren't very sensitive at all. I would be going out tomorrow and getting a First Response then peeing on a digi once my period is late.

Cakebaker35 Sat 25-Jan-14 10:43:16

Thanks sebs, not sure how many days past ov as wasn't testing but today is cd29. Line was faint but blue colour, I tried to take a pic but my camera phone is rubbish sad

Google seems to tell me sainsburys are the worst ever tests, wish I'd known that before!

Anyway I will just have to wait and see what clearblue says when I get one tomorrow...argghhhhh just more bloody waiting!

Cakebaker35 Sat 25-Jan-14 10:44:30

Or first response, I'll buy whatever I can get my hands on that's not own brand!

sebsmummy1 Sat 25-Jan-14 10:44:44

I think you are pregnant grin

Cakebaker35 Sat 25-Jan-14 10:46:59

Argh sebs I really hardly dare think so until I get a test that just says the words....if this turns out to be evap line I am going to be even more gutted than a bfn, if that doesn't sound toooooo mad!

sebsmummy1 Sat 25-Jan-14 10:47:28

I will link you to my first blue line test that everyone said was evap, is it similar to this?


Cakebaker35 Sat 25-Jan-14 10:49:54

Thank you sebs, yes v similar indeed!!!! <faints> right I have to go out now but thank you for being there, I will of course keep you posted when I can finally get to a bloody shop! If I do manage to today, would you still test again today or wait for tomorrow for first wee of day? Xx

sebsmummy1 Sat 25-Jan-14 10:58:23

I would buy a pack of two. Piss on one this aft/this eve and then one in the morning. Even better if you can avoid having a drink this afternoon and get your wee a bit more concentrated but if you can't I'll still use it later today as I just wouldn't be able to wait grin

Good luck xxxx

Cakebaker35 Sat 25-Jan-14 11:13:50

Thank you sebs, getting to a shop today is going to be tricky so I might be forced to wait until tomorrow anyway. Xx

fedupofrainydays Sat 25-Jan-14 14:16:16

Goodness - exciting cake! I'm away with the worst internet connection so hopefully I can check tomorrow and see its a proper bfp. Yes sainsburys can be a bit dodgy but they also gave me my second bfp, faint but there. Evaps tend to be blue but very thin on the sainsburys ones... In my experience. I would next opt for any pink dye test if you can. Superdrug or first response are good options. Good luck!!!!! Xx

Cakebaker35 Sat 25-Jan-14 18:14:03

Hello again! Thanks fedup! So took your advice sebs and snuck out to get a first response pack. Poas mid afternoon despite having had loads of cups of tea thanks to visit from in laws and still a faint pink line! Feeling more positive but won't be convinced until I get a more positive result or it's cd96! smile feeling hopeful but almost don't dare to be...will def poas in the morning. Eeeek!

fedupofrainydays Sat 25-Jan-14 19:30:24

OMG deffo preggers! Yay!! Congratulations mr and mrs cake! Xx

sebsmummy1 Sat 25-Jan-14 20:59:27

Congratulations, thrilled for you. What's your EDD? Xx

zippygeorgebungle Sat 25-Jan-14 21:51:37

Brilliant news, well done cake! Very pleased indeed.

Not quite on the same scale of good news but I got a peak sign on the fertility monitor today, cd19 which is still late (AF generally appears on day 27 but has been late last few months) but is five days earlier than previous peaks so hopefully a lengthening luteal phase which can also be something that shortens when bfing apparently so hoping going back to normal

I'm meant to be going for some ultrasounds next cycle to monitor exactly when the OV is happening etc but sounds a bit intrusive and expensive so might leave it a couple of months and just see if it happens. This doesn't sound like me, Mrs Impatient, so I might change my mind, but I do feel a bit more relaxed now the blood tests are showing better results (and also now it has happened to sebs because you stopped feeding at the same time thus giving me some hope when you got your bfp!) xx

sebsmummy1 Sun 26-Jan-14 08:14:35

Oooh zippy that is an excellent sign!! You know that my OV moved from day 16 to around day 12, my cycles went from around 28/30 to 24/25/26. I felt pretty despondent about the shorter cycles as you know, but i obviously didn't need to worry.

Assuming you will be paying for ultrasound I think it would be a good idea to just give it another couple of months (assuming you don't fall pregnant of course) and see if your OV day settles.

Everything ok on crotch watch here. How you doing Cake? grin

PunkyBubba Sun 26-Jan-14 08:46:51

Congratulations Cake! Just like Buses, no good news for ages then 2 in quick succession :-) Hope it kicks off some more good news for the rest of us!

Sebs, sorry about your scare, am glad you are being scanned soon, and hope it will help put your mind at rest (though I know most of us never truly relax until months into pregnancy!)

Zippy, great news about the peak sign.. My cycles have been mad the last few months and it gets you wondering if you will ever ov. I hope your cycles do settle down soon!

Well after my surprise 'almost positive' on the OPK strip my talk with DH went well and we BD 3 days on the trot.. Temps have gone up, and FertilityFriend says I ov'd on Thursday which was the last day of the 3.. so fingers crossed. At least I feel this month that we gave it a good go. Now in the 2ww..

I hope all you ladies are having a lovely weekend! LucyJ how did the party go?

sebsmummy1 Sun 26-Jan-14 09:42:22

Punky that sounds like your BDed at just the right time. I'm sure there was something I read that talked about the BDing before you O was much more effective than trying to time it to the day you O as by then it's often too late.

Hope everyone else is having a good day today. My partner is applying for a job 2.5 hours away today!! This will mean, if he gets it of course!, him either living down there and commuting back at the weekend. Or all of us moving down there and renting the house out here that we have just bought!! Stupid bloody timing all round but as it's so much more money I said just apply and I'm sure we can sort the rest out.

fedupofrainydays Sun 26-Jan-14 10:21:46

I've got slight cramping today, but had this least month and turned out to be nothing so reckon it's just my body sorting itself out after mc.

I can't remember who it was that said about that woman they met who was banging on about how lovely close age gaps are and telling her daughter to get one with it...
Ouch. I think I would have burst out crying if that was me or said something like 'well I tried and it didn't work now F off!'

At my in laws this weekend and they had ivf and discussing what to do with their remaining frozen eggs (first time was successful and have twins). Weird chat. And I've not yet mentioned my second mc.

fedupofrainydays Sun 26-Jan-14 10:23:11

Ps. punky you def had sex on right days - the two before ov are the best statistically!

Cakebaker35 Sun 26-Jan-14 13:23:12

Hello everyone, thanks so much for all your lovely comments. I did another first response test this morning, and yes still a line, faint it's true, but a line! So unless I'm the unluckiest person ever to have 3 evaporation lines then I think, gulp, I might be beginning to believe it's a BFP! It has been such a shock, really didn't think this was my month as had some horrible pmt symptoms (no other symptoms at all) and although we did DTD every other day cd 8-15 and a random one of cd23 I just thought irregular cycles the last few months would mean it was just so unlikely. But there we go, just shows what I know. I really have found everyone on this thread so helpful and supportive, so thank you, and I'll stop being gushy now! sebs glad to hear all well with you, I think my edd is roughly first week of oct, how about you?
zippy that is great news and definitely think your right to hold off a couple of months for the other tests, keeping everything crossed for you.
punky sounds like that was perfectly timed grin
Right I'll continue to lurk as obviously it's ridiculously early days so anything could happen.
Wishing you all loads of luck, this thread is definitely due some more BFPs x

LucyJoJo Sun 26-Jan-14 19:29:10

Yeyyy!!! Hurray Cake!!! Huge congratulations. I'm so sorry I didn't wish you luck yesterday,I forgot all about our POAS party after my unwelcome visitor on friday! So pleased for you, that is just great news.
Punky the party was brilliant thanks. I have been very hungover today but it has almost been enjoyable as it has stopped me thinking about ttc and babies. None of our friends are very baby-minded so it was lovely to just feel 'normal' for an evening. And I certainly wouldn't have been able to drink as much as I did or eat half a wheel of brie if I was pregnant!!! I did have one awkward moment where someone was asking about baby number 2, I'd had quite a bit at that point and sort of half-laughed it off and the conversation trailed away.I don't like making people feel awkward but it's definately getting harder to not scream out I want a baby nowww!!
Do you know what cd you're on fedup?
Punky does sound like you got your BD timing right. Fingers crossed for you!
Some positive news for you too Zippy, here's hoping february is a good month for us all, DH and I are going to give it our all and have nicknamed it Fantastically Fertile February (or Fuck Me February as he prefers!!!).
Sebs not sure whether to wish your DH good luck or not for that job!!

fedupofrainydays Mon 27-Jan-14 07:56:04

Ah so glad you had a good party lucy and LOVE the 'fuck me February' name! grin

Yeah, I'm cd 19. Think period is due in about a week or just over. Not wholly sure as I got ewcm after I thought I had ovulated this month - so think I poss didn't ov til Wednesday ish and am due next weds. Trying to distract myself as don't want to be too disappointed. We have booked loads of stuff recently - Canada in September, Corsica in June, London trips out late September and weekends away in aug. Plus all my PT stuff (exam in less than two weeks now: eeeek!)
PLUS we are extending (trying to see the point even with just the one child, perhaps to make money on it?!) and will take 6 months from march time - yikes! Move out or stay in the mess?!

sebs good luck for the job. If it's the right one you guys will make it work as funny as the timing is it will all work out ok in the end! I'm hoping DH will get new job soon too so I can leave mine to start new career!

cake hope it's a smooth run for you. And hope we are following suit with bfps pronto!

Keep up the positivity zippy and sounds like you know your body pretty well - I would just focus on the test results and how doc said meant good egg reserve etc.

Right - I'm being told I must play cars...

Cakebaker35 Mon 27-Jan-14 08:16:15

lucy so pleased you had a brilliant time at the party, sounds like the perfect way to forget about babies for a while! Loving your new name for feb too, wishing you loads of luck.
fedup sounds like you're going to have a fun packed year for sure and brilliant to have lots going on to distract you from the TTC madness. We've been to Corsica and it is one of my favourite places in the world, v jealous and now tempted to plan a trip too! Here's hoping AF stays away xx
I'll continue to lurk on here if it's ok. Planning to get a digi test later as I feel I just need to see the words before I believe it.

zippygeorgebungle Mon 27-Jan-14 10:00:13

Wow fedup you sound like you have a great year planned, and amazing time management skills. AF due for me about the same time as yours so we can try not to get our hopes up together!

Always worth extending if the money is right, surely, fedup; and if you're like me your house already has enough toddler stuff in it to look like a with just one, so I imagine the space will be well used.

Lots of rational, sensible advice for me on here re waiting before spending ££s and undergoing various tests (thread not living up to its name, we're meant to be crazy!)

Cake and sebs success has somehow given me a bit of hope.

So, I'm going to go for my day 21 test now I think I have ovulated (even though I am on day 21 now if you see what I mean. Does anyone know if you have to do it a certain number of days after OV?

sebsmummy1 Mon 27-Jan-14 10:14:43

I think it should be 7 days after OV zippy

fedupofrainydays Mon 27-Jan-14 16:51:32

It's 7 days before period due (what doc said to me) so 7 after ov is same if you have a 14 day lp!!! I think it just needs to be long enough after ov to have sufficient time for progesterone rise.

Yeah I guess I just don't want us 3 rattling round in a huge house for no reason.... I'm sure I won't notice it when it is done... But still. We are going in to the loft too with the idea that it will become mine and DH room. But it DS is on his own on the second floor am not sure I want too!! Ridiculous maybe. (And it's not going to be that big, just we prob wouldn't necc bother if we didn't want more kids. Or maybe we would.. Who knows!!!)

sebsmummy1 Mon 27-Jan-14 16:53:21

Fedup you will have another child, I promise you, and you will carry it to term. So plan your extension and prepare your house for your larger family because it will happen xx

zippygeorgebungle Mon 27-Jan-14 18:14:31

I agree. Objectively, it looks more than likely fedup. You've been shockingly unlucky, of course, but you have managed to conceive three times; every chance another mini fedup will be around to co-occupy your second floor, store toys in your extension and play havoc with your holiday plans. In fact my money is on you for our next bfp x

fedupofrainydays Mon 27-Jan-14 18:25:16

Ah thanks guys. I just feel a bit flat about it all but pleased you think it will happen even tho I doubt it more every day. I just find the 2ww fucks with your head so much too, which I know you all know!

I'm at the stage with my son where I have to bargain with him to get him to eat certain stuff. I'm sure it's not the right way to go about things but only way I seem able to get variety in his diet. Please god may this be just a phase!!

sebs how's the brown discharge this wk?

zippygeorgebungle Mon 27-Jan-14 18:46:17

I wonder if we are all able to be a bit more rational about someone else's situation than our own. Like the ladies on here objectively saying wait before having intrusive tests has actually persuaded me far more than the "just relax" type comments that eg a GP or stranger might make. And, fedup, it's kind of natural you would be finding it difficult to maintain hope but from an outside perspective it does look highly likely.

sebsmummy1 Mon 27-Jan-14 18:46:29

Zippy is right, you have conceived three times, you have been unlucky twice but you only have to look at celebs to see examples of girls who have miscarried twice to then go on and have two healthy pregnancies (Lily Allen springs to mind immediately).

My sister had a healthy first pregnancy, sadly miscarried her second at 6 weeks then went on to have a healthy third pregnancy not long after.

I'm ok. I try not to think about things too much at this early stage as I have no idea how things are really going. Pregnancy tests are still strong lines ( I found some ICs in the drawer so using them) and discharge is normal. No symptoms but didn't have any with Seb till about 8 weeks. Midwife appointment tomorrow, doctors appointment Wednesday where I think he will be referring me for the scan.

fedupofrainydays Mon 27-Jan-14 22:50:16

Thanks ladies smile

Yes, it's always easier to be rational for someone else. I've one friend in RL who gets it. We are both utterly nuts about our own situ but some how can see the rational side for one another! And it's the same on here... Thanks ladies.

I felt a bit peeved before when my sister was trying to tell me to stay positive and have faith I will have another one... Bugs me when how coukd she poss understand what it's like when she has her 3. Try not to let it get to me but does feel so unfair that she should have 3 and will prob have 4 by some 'accident' again.

I'm glad we can all sort each other on here whether it's about losing hope or doing invasive tests or dealing with early preg bleeding thanks

I went to the gym this eve and had a good thrash about. Feel better for it. Start my new project at work tomorrow - fortunately about an hour away, not the 3 hours of the last one!!

fedupofrainydays Mon 27-Jan-14 22:50:44

Ps sebs hope all goes well at appointments tomorrow and wed.

Cakebaker35 Tue 28-Jan-14 08:35:54

fedup just wanted to echo everyone else, you've been so bloody unlucky but I'm sure that will change. My sil had 4 miscarriages and went onto to have 2 dc so it can and will happen for you. In the meantime great idea to thrash it out at the gym and good luck with the new project.

sebs lots of luck for your appointments, keep us posted.

I decided to tell one of my good friends in RL yesterday, thought in case things don't go to plan someone else ought to know. Not really sure when to go to docs etc, seems a bit early yet!

sebsmummy1 Tue 28-Jan-14 14:43:02

Hi girls, well appointment was entirely pointless today as midwife said it was too early to go through the booking in procedure and we should book in at 9 weeks instead. She was thoroughly confused as to why my doctor said I should make an appointment with her (she looked up my notes on the screen and it was written there so thankfully I didn't look like a nutter).

On the plus side she is going to have a word with the Early Scan Unit and ring me, so hopefully that will go ahead. At first she was saying that it might not be a viable pregnancy and I may have miscarried, however by the end she said she did think it was viable!! So a nice head fuck for me but you know what I'm pretty unfazed by it, think I've catastrophised enough now in my own head and no one else can say anything I haven't already thought.

As it goes I think this pregnancy is going to be fine. God knows why I think that, I just do!!

zippygeorgebungle Tue 28-Jan-14 15:24:14

How curious sebs. Last time, I mentioned as an aside to my GP I was pregnant, when at an appointment for a chest infection the day after getting my bfp, the clearblue test had said 3 weeks pregnant, and lo and behold was ushered in to see a midwife there and then who wanted all manner of decisions about which hospital I wanted, nuchal fold tests etc. So just goes to show it differs massively.

Highly likely all will be well sebs. Take care.

sebsmummy1 Tue 28-Jan-14 16:24:22

Well she is slightly forgiven as she has organised a scan for this Friday!!!!! Ohmegawd shock

Think I will go on my own as my Mum can look after Seb as she is due to see me Friday this week anyhow.

Fingers crossed it's happy news.

fedupofrainydays Tue 28-Jan-14 22:05:36

Yeah I thought midwives didn't need to see you til booking in appt but doctor does early on to register you for mat exemption card thingy and hospital for scan date.

Glad all seems ok sebs and you are feeling positive about it - that intuition is usually right.

I'm in the 2 ww of doom. Don't even know when period due but know I have ovulated (well had the symptoms). Work is so busy and am knackered trying to do 4 jobs at once (consultant, mummy, wife and training in my PT stuff) it's bloody hard work and hope I am doing at least some of it ok. Give me strength. Now off to sleep.

Anyone else on 2 ww?? punky??

sebsmummy1 Wed 29-Jan-14 09:54:32

After my positive feeling I got some brown tinged mucous on wiping last night and little but this morning. It's so hard not to assume the worse. I guess at least they should be able to tell me something on Friday. Even if it's bad news is rather know now than at 12 weeks.

Fingers crossed for those in the 2ww xxx

PunkyBubba Wed 29-Jan-14 12:08:00

Awww Sebs, it must be a nightmare.. I had a huge bleed at 7 weeks with DS.. was sent for a scan the next day and it was fine.. some blood had collected somewhere for some reason.. haematoma or something.. sorry I'm being a bit vague.. but I am a zombie today! Anyway, as everyone says.. brown tinges of old blood are fine I'm sure.. its the cramping, etc thats the bad sign. Fingers crossed for you on Friday!!

Yes Fedup, I'm in the 2ww too.. and its hell this time.. I don't know whether it was because we did somehow by total fluke get the BD timing pretty spot on.. (bearing in mind if it wasnt for my bad back I would have been in a hotel in London and missed it entirely!).. but I am symptom spotting like crazy, and totally doing my own head in over it. I know I'll be crushed if I get AF next week.. I'm due on anywhere from Monday onwards.. just hoping if I do get AF that at least my LP will get to 12/13 days and my cycle settles a bit more.

All the talk of holidays has also got me planning.. we are looking at Portugal in June.. I need something to take my mind of ttc, and to look forward to with all this horrible rain! Sooo depressing!

I hope everyone else is ok.xxx

Cakebaker35 Wed 29-Jan-14 13:22:42

Hello everyone, just wanted to say sebs all the best for Friday and try not to worry about the brown gloop, as punky said a bit of this is fine, and on Friday you'll be able to really start feeling lots more confident as I'm sure this one is sticky smile

Hang in there punky and others on the 2ww, just a really crappy time and feels like time stands still doesn't it? Stay busy busy busy, that's the best you can do for now. Wishing you all loads of luck.

Absolutely zero symptoms here so still feeling all totally surreal. I'm thinking if telling my parents when I see them tomorrow - even though its early I think it makes sense in case something goes wrong and I need their help with dd. not going to see the doc for a while though, hardly seems much point when I'm told the midwife won't see me for weeks yet.

GingerbreadBabyPlease Wed 29-Jan-14 13:40:56

Hi ladies, new name for LucyJo! Hoping a change is what I need....
Fedup sorrry you have been feeling shitty, I can understand you feeling like you will never have a baby, but just to echo what everyone else has said, you have successfully gotten pregnant 3 times, it is just a matter of waiting for a sticky one, but as we all know the waiting game is bfp (big fat pants!!) Booking lots of things to keep you busy is an excellent idea.
Sebs how amazing that you have got your scan so soon! Not long to go til you can put your mind at rest and see your little squirmer. I think you will be fine, but it must be so awful to constantly be on knicker watch. How many weeks will you be on fri then?
Punky do it!! Book yourself a holiday, you are guaranteed to get a bfp then! We are thinking of waiting to find out when DHs parents are coming to visit (they live in Oz) so we can leave DD with them and run away on a couples only holiday for a few days! Trying to see the positives in only one child...Good luck with your 2WW, try not to get yourself too worked up! Will you POAS beforehand?
Zippy when will you going for your tests? Do they just involve a blood test? How long have you been trying?
Cake hope you start to feel sick soon!grin
I have just bought some clearblue smileys so will start using them in a few days, but am toying with the idea of booking a Drs appointment...

zippygeorgebungle Wed 29-Jan-14 18:17:12

hello lucy/ginger, I went to the drs after 5 months of trying (6 cycles), age 35 with regular periods and an instantly conceived, still breastfeeding one year old. She ordered blood tests straight away and a hospital scan the next week which was normal. I didn't realise, until reading here, that this was perhaps an unusual (if admirably pro active) GP reaction.

These tests are ultrasounds through the month to see exactly when OV occurs, I have been TTC since last summer.

Sebs, any updates? x

PunkyBubba Wed 29-Jan-14 21:37:47

Cake, I would definitely tell your parents. If you would tell them (need them) if something went wrong it makes sense to tell them now, and have some close family to support you now.

Thanks Ginger, we are definitely booking the hols once we have sorted the logistics of flights/villa prices. I'm home now (working week is over) so am going to get this sorted by the weekend. DH is also now talking about us going away on a cruise in Oct (just the 2 of us for a short cheap one).. I had to point out that we can't go if I am pregnant as you can't cruise over 5.5 months.. so we can't book it until at least May/June (if I am not preggers) when I am guessing it will be sold out.

I am hoping to wait for next Monday to POAS. I will be 11DPO then which I know is still early.. but I know I will be anyway.. then probably again Tuesday/Wednesday until Af comes!

After sending above message about symptom spotting driving me crazy I went out to lunch and got a nosebleed out of nowhere.. I just thought I had a weirdly runny nose that wouldnt stop.. started dabbing with tissues and realised it was blood. I never get nosebleeds unless really hot.. so anyway, spent half the afternoon googling 6DPO and nosebleeds to see if it was a pregnancy sign.. NUTS!!! (for those that want to know it didnt come up with anything conclusive)

sebsmummy1 Thu 30-Jan-14 19:41:33

Bad news from me I'm afraid girls, bleeding this evening, dark brown turning to red and getting heavier.

I feel ok, it's been on the cards for a while now as the discharge hasn't let up although I was trying to kid myself all was well.

Thank god I didn't flog the fertility monitor!!!

Obviously I've still got the scan tomorrow which I imagine will confirm it was a blighted ovum or a missed miscarriage.

Anyhow, will update tomorrow and then it's back with the TTC. That was much more bloody fun than trying to keep this pregnancy going. Weird thing is it makes me wonder if those psychics will end up being right after all timing wise!!! shock