Harry Potter and the rise of the BESH: Instadiffers, baby dusters and huns will be subject to the spell Evanesco!!.(1000 Posts)
If you are you over 30 and have been ttc for over 12 months, are witch like or even better a complete hag and willing to abuse your powers of wizardry to conjure up gin by the bucket load, then fill out the Beshionnaire and join us if you dare in our battle against BESH curse.
Instadiffers and baby dusters will be turned into frogs and used in a potion.
Marking place to keep an eye on you all
<leaves [gin] and >
<drowns sorrows in Firewhisky>
Nice one rasp
<Zooms in on broomstick>
Winks I think that one is going to be repeated quite a bit.
I'll see if I can magic one up: expecto bambino.
Thought I'd go with a Harry theme, we can cast evil spells on idiots then
MATV is really annoying me today. All I've done is clean the house all weekend and all he can do is frown at me. Some days I really feel I could knock him into the middle of next week although I do appreciate I have horrendous PMT and achy boobs just now.
<hobbles in using broomstick as a crutch>
I know 9 miles seems ridiculous but we really were in the middle of nowhere, GS was running in a race and the car was blocked in in the car park so it was walk or dehydrate. A friend of ours did dehydrate a couple if weeks ago at a race and was rushed to hospital so I was a bit worried. Anyway, just got sore feet now and I didn't feel at all guilty when I ate a chocolate pudding last night.
I like 'cautiously optimistic' too. It may just happen Euro and if it doesn't, it's not the end of the road for you necessarily. There's always hope.
I've been feeling a bit left behind on the shaggers thread too. There's only 2 of us left from when I first joined last year. It's miserable, but that's partly why I love this thread because I don't feel so alone.
<tosses opks into cauldron>
<sweeps in wearing long black cloak>
Lovely Fred, rasp. Listen ladies, we are not alone. No BESH left behind, ok?
I have been massively over eatin this weekend. We cooked for friends yesterday who are big eaters and drinkers. Usually I'm pretty restrained but just lost the plot. Later we are going to see different friends - they started ttc, and now have a toddler and she's 8 and a half months diffed with their second. I just can't imagine what it's like to be able to go "let's have a baby" and then... Just have one!
True to form my clinic want more bloods (day 2-5 ones) so we won't be starting this cycle. But all being well we should be starting late September.
Now, what's everyone else up to? Where's our newbie?
hope we didn't scare you off with all the poo talk
Should have said - they started ttc at the same time as us!
<hopps down off hipogriff>
<dusts down cloak>
<fumbles for wand muttering new mantra 'accio baybee and expecto bambino'>
love it ladies, well done rasp
Wow bear, good work for the cause, I think I'd have eaten the chocolate pudding too after all that.
My twin sister was diagnosed with cancer yesterday. I just feel numb. A furry mane is definitely a good place to hide thanks bear. Can anything else go wrong right now? Second thoughts, don't answer that! My four legged friend was a fecking ledge this morning, helped blow away all the cobwebs. Best cling to the good bits right. No BESH left behind.
Oh cherry I'm so sorry to hear that. That's totally shit news and it must be a huge shock. Hope you and the rest of your family are holding up ok. <sneaks in an un BESH like hug>
Oh no Cherry. I'm sorry. There's no words really, it's a horrible time, just know we are all here for hugs and handholds.
Oh bloody hell cherry that must be enormously hard. We're here for you if you need support or want to "talk" about it with folks who aren't also hurting about it.
Oh fuck cherry that's horrendous, I'm so sorry.
fanks guys, appreciate that. Feel like hexing fecking cancer but here's to friendship charms instead. If anyone is bloodyminded enough to get through this then she will be but it still looks like a rocky road ahead. And of course all the diagnostic tests are unavailable till Tues as its fecking bank holiday.
Oh Cherry. How fucking awful. I'm so sorry. Thinking of you and also here for you. Glad you had the mane to help in RL. Hope you and your family are able to hold it all together.
Cannot find BESH listed in my Dark Arts book
Please can someone lift my Imperius Curse and Reparo this?
I am ttc with one tube so any Accio Baybee or Expecto Pregnatum spells will be gratefully accepted.
In return I shall dig up my Mandrakes (earplugs a must) and
Form them into naice slices
Welcome Breville please seek out your quill and the
Hogwarts BESH questionare and send it over the floo network for our perusal. Tis our version of the sorting hat. BESH house rules
cherry what fucking awful news, so sorry. Wishing Tuesday to come quickly for you
Cherry so sorry about your news. Hope your sister fights it off.
How does I find the BESH questionnaire
Have old parchment ready and waiting!
Hi Breville. I think you'll find the BESHtionnaire at the end of the last thread when Cherry joined. The thread was entitled 'The BESH bush needs pruning. . .' I think.
Fizz- I always find that crazy too. Imagine being able to plan like that. I don't think I'm ever going to use contraception again now. Don't seem to need it.
Cherry I am so so sorry. Thinking about you. Xx
Breville I did the BESHtionnaire on the last feed; looking forward to your answers!! Enjoy! X
Sorry Holls- I forgot you did it too.
Morning BESH. Happy bank holiday.
Aldi own brand gin = nicer than Bombay Sapphire and only a tenner a bottle.
Happy Bank Holiday bugs
I am just finishing work and very much looking forward to bed.
Nice thread Rasp!
Cherry, what horrid news for your sister & family.
Bugs why are you awake so early??
Why are you up so early jeff? You are Not Well and should be resting <stern>
Because I'm staaaaaarving!
cherry I'm so so sorry for your news. Life really is shit sometimes
I can't bloody sleep
I can't get comfy. I'm in the spare room as SSG was a.) snoring after 2 nights on the beer & b.) took over the whole kingsize bed.
I want to go & make a cup of tea but then the dog will be awake & want a walk.
Any gin (except Williams Chase) is better than Bombay Sapphire. That stuff is like paint stripper.
So sorry to hear about your sister, coco. I hope that they're able to treat it effectively. How horrible for you all.
Why would anyone go on the PESH fred? It's like self-flagellation or something.
And keeping on feem: ten points to raspindor for starting the fred! I have my very own Slytherin scarf wot I got at Universal Studios last year. As soon as I got it I started judging/looking down on anyone wearing anything from a different house.
Cherry I'm so sorry to hear about your sister.
Just a quick update for you all: pinkr has laid!
It's ok bear, I won't hold it against you.
Bough myself an iPad over weekend so can communicate from the bed. Himself is thrilled as it means I'm not pestering him!
In laws stayed over last nigh unexpectedly so any bank holiday recreation bedroom-stylee has been hampered...!!! Have a grand day all
Agreed that Bombay Saphire is not what it's cracked up to be. Distinctly average in my book. We're back on the Plymouth after ROCH's birthday delivered spectacularly well on that front. Now there's a quality gin. Good advice on the aldi win bugs.
Thanks for the goodwishes. Trying hard to keep perspective and not to worry as we don't really know what to worry about yet. Sis is a ton better for being on a drip for 24hrs and after a couple of nights in has been allowed home until tomorrow. I've been ringing all our mutual friends to convey the bad news. Saying it outloud is the worst.
Jeff how far gone are you? Suspect you are now out dog walking?!
Congratulations to pinkr
3 people asked me about babies / my fertility woes last night and were all fucking rude. They're my friends and I love them but at one point I hid in the spare bedroom and cried a bit!
Bugs that's shit for you. Did they know about your stresses before? Crapy of them to be so insensitive if they did. We had a BBQ the other week and now that we've told a couple of people about our troubles they were all off fighting our corner for us. Twas amazing to watch! All talk of pitter patter of tiny feet <boak> stopped dead in its tracks.
Fab news pinkr
That's the thing Cherry they all fecking know. One woman used it as her opening line "So how are you? (rubbing her stomach) anything new with treatment or ivf?"
My answer was "Without being rude I've adopted a don't ask, we'll tell rule and considering I'm on double measures of gin, there's nowt to tell."
I'm still pissed
WTF? Why do folk get so ridiculously insensitive around the subject and start acting like morons? Cunts.
draf I consider it "inspiration" for myself.
Oh bugs that's shit. Some people are so insensitive. Nice answer tho.
cherry what sort is it? You don't have to say unless you want to, of course. I'm glad your sis is better for being looked after.
I had that the other night, my friend is lovely but chose to bring it up by saying 'so have you that your treatment yet'. Now it's so close and we've decided to hide ourselves away I am going to let people know that I will tell them as and when we are ready to so could they please not ask. The friends we have told will understand and won't take offence. I just don't want to be answering questions every five minutes.
By the way, it's our anniversary today. Two years ago today I was off to the hair dressers :/
Happy anniversary Rasp.
Hiding away is exactly what we'll do. We'll start to let people know when the 3 month count down begins in September and we'll tale folk its in 6 months time to keep them off our backs.
I have shocking ovation pain today. Me & GP are a bit rough and Imight puke on him.if we have a shag so I suspect this cycle will be out for us. I'm so used to.not being pregnant now.
Wish we had thought to do that. Never mind. There is only one person who will notice my absence from work as she's in the next off but she's a lovely friend so I know won't ask questions if I don't want her too. I'm really hoping for a 29 day cycle this time.
I used to talk about our non baybee winning issues all the time. Especially when it made other smug people feel uncomfortable when they asked why we 'hadn't bothered having children yet'. Soon shut them up.
Cherry - I'm 35 weeks tomorrow.
Now I try not to talk about being a preggo much. I know how it made me feel before. And on that note I'm off to do jobs. Have good Bank Hols
Oh bugs that's crap. I had a friend who texted me a photo of her baby on the day I was taken in to have my mc. I had to laugh because if I didn't I would probably have had a massive breakdown! It has sort of put a slight edge on our friendship though.
Ho hum. Off to clean the shit hole that is our house after 4 guests and a dog.
I don't get it, its as if the whole purpose of living is just to have a baby and if you don't folk either pity you or assume you're weird / selfish!
It almost makes me want to act weird and selfish just to prove them right!
It's just so annoying having to justify yourself all the time. It's none of anyone's goddamn business anyway. I don't understand how people feel they can even ask.
Happy anniversary rasp. It is our 3rd on Wednesday. (Leather - oo-er missus)
I talk about IVF quite openly with close friends. The first time though, i was quite happy discussing treatment but when I got my early BFP I wanted to keep it to myself until the official test as I couldn't quite believe it, but folks kept asking if I had tested yet. I didn't really mind though - it was worth it for the support. And as they know what happened the first time, friends have been a bit more circumspect.
Sorry that your friends aren't more supportive Bugs.
Happy anniversary Rasp, euro we were leather this year too. Three years.... THREE years, where did all that time go?!
Sis' probs are in the small intestine euro - at the risk of reviving the digestive chat - anyone have any relevant knowledge of this? I've so far managed to stay away from Dr Google. Head in sand and some positivity about this is working quite well for me just now before we have any real detail.
Thank god for my four legged friend, he's such a dude.
I know my friends elderly father had cancer there, they whipped it out. He had a course of treatment and had a colostomy bag for a while as he recovered but it did the job and it got rid of the cancer. Keeping everything crossed it's a simple job!
Evening hags! I see some new names, so I might have to go back through freds and freds. For your info, I am old, nearly 3 years married too, and in many other things euro's
evil twin. The long story is both of us 34, over 3yrs TTC, 1 IUI+SO BFP mc at 7+4 last year, and a chem diffment after IVF 1 last month. Six frosties though, so still something to play with. Just returned from two weeks of doing everything that is off the cards when diffed and feeling much better for it!
Ok. I shall attempt the questionnaire
Me 33 DH 28
I have only my left Fallopian tube and we have been ttc for 13 months now
I'm exceptionally hag-esque although DH loves me
I have DD (12) who lives with her DDad and lovely stepmum (have posted before about great relationship with them)
Now what does BESH stand for and what can I do to better my chances of tinyBreville?
Not that any of you lot need to know this but in my battle to get of this bloody spot I have been looking at my fanoire. Fanoires really are gross, almost as bad as doofers.
BESH is 'bitter evil selfish hags' or I sometimes say the B is for Barren. Basically coined by some twat from the daily mail who thinks that anyone who leaves it until their thirties to have a child is an undeserving, bitter, evil, selfish hag and therefore deserving of ever having a child. 'twas the same twat as decreed Stephen gately's death to be expected what with being gay. Because all gay men die just like that. Fucking idiot woman.
Why am I so angry tonight? MATV is making me steak! STEAK! Nom.
Get *rid of this bloody spot. Stoopid phone.
The BESHtionnaire can be found towards the end of the previous BESH thread, Breville. Looking forward to your answers! Generally speaking, you'd have to have quite a good case for BESHhood if you already have kids, though - we're mostly totally barren round these parts.
ewww rasp Baaad mental imagery <bashes side of head to get rid of grossness> Though I shall forgive you for the comforting example of your friend's dad that you provided earlier. Nice post fanks.
Hi Driz, glad you enjoyed your last two weeks of living it up like a non diffed bod and are feeling better.
After a LOT of searching (while there's a man drilling in my spare bedroom, making my house rumble - and that's not a euphemism!!) I think I have found it. If this isn't it, then I'm about to look like a reet daft bugger, aren't I?
1) Do you like gin?
Yes. I don't like tea
I like GIN
2) Men - are you a gold digger or a cradle snatching cougar?
Cougar! 4.5 years his senior and proud
3) Baybee-making - to put a baybee in your tumtum, which hole do you use:
d) none, you just pray to the baby Jebus.
"Every sperm is sacred every sperm is great. When a sperm gets wasted. God gets quite irate"
Always the foofoo
except when really drunk and trying desperately to have very QUIET sex as next room to Bil and Sil
4) Testing - when someone wonders if they should test for updiff (pg), do you:
a) bellow 'POAS!' at them non-stop and punch them repeatedly in the kidneys till they wet themselves anyway.
b) Sprinkle them with babydust and send them hugs and kisses on lickle baby angel wings.
I smile say "that's great" and then get very angry with my ovaries!
5) Is R2D2:
a) an adorable robot from Star Wars.
b) the source of all evil.
He is the source of all evil and has spawned Hettie Hoovers
6) Number of pets?
My familiar. GruberCat Prince of Darkness
7) Inappropriate (read: weird) crush of shame?
KBTB (kick boxer toy boy) says Jeremy Kyle I have slapped him for this
8) Lesbian crush?
9) What are your views on camping?
I try not to loiter within tent
10) How much money have you spent on sticks you then urinate on?
i) Oh nothing, I'll probably catch first time and then get the doctor to confirm it.
ii) Over 100 quid
iii) I opened an account on ebay solely for the purpose of purchasing sticks
Too much to mention. Every month I think I am
Damn my limited slip differential
Finally, tell us how you found the BESH and why you'd like to join us pliz.
Harry Potter caught my eye. I had FOBF (Fall out boy fan daughter)at 20 by accident and since losing my tube in 06 am terrified that I will never be able to have another. She has siblings from her dad and yes I'm immensely jealous. Everyone around me has either had or is and if I have ONE more snarky comment from my cousins mum about how I 'better be getting on with it' ill scream.
I'm terrified I don't work anymore and I don't know if I'm ovulating I have no proof so I'm dipping a toe in the finding out what I need to do to check I work without putting too much pressure on KBTB
Yep Rasp a ladies garden is not a pretty sight. Better than a baboons arse although at least we wouldn't need opks to know or fertile time we'd just have huge red arses
Me & GP are slightly addicted to Geordie Shore.
Copy and paste fail there with the top bit sorry
Brev although you already have a child and even managed it accident id say you're in. Welcome to the club
that's made my day! Thanks.
Now I have the basics of how I work. I've been using an app on the phone to calculate my best days and chasing KBTB round to DTD
Should I go for ov sticks? Doctor? Temping?
And some lovely extra info related to the other thread
I too suffer with stomach issues due to a ruptured bowel at same time they discovered the abscess on my tube.
Life saving surgery. Very happy to be here.
Since they let air into what was previously a 'sealed unit' a somewhat deadly side effect has been produced.
I've had Kim Jong Un emailing me for the chemical compounds of my farts. I can't even blame the cat!
Luckily I work in a car factory and can wander round blaming it on the men!
HWCA would be very unimpressed if I tried to get him to watch Geordie Shore.
I am watching Kill Bill and finding the part where she wakes up from her coma to find her baby missing from her womble surprisingly sad.
I don't mind a fanois. They look better than a floppy willy, I think. Maybe not a pus-y one though.
Hi ToastieMaker, despite having managed to breed you seem to me like you'll do well in here I'm winks, 32, 2yrs ttc, pcos & unreliable ovulation, bfp waiting to start clomid but mmc discovered at 9 weeks. Waiting for periods to restart after ERPC 2weeks ago so I can get back in the game. Married to HWCA (Husband without a cool acronym), named after Organisation Without A Cool Acronym in Phineas and Ferb.
Hi winks Thanks for letting me join! (I read HWCA as Harlem Women's Christian Association til I saw the explanation
Well he's never been to New York, definitely isn't a woman, doesn't follow any religion and as he doesn't generally like people wouldn't join any Association - but, close
Hags I developed a new embarrassing crush last week and meant to share, but have forgotten. Boo.
I've decided I have a crush on Lady Gaga. No idea why but I do.
I've also just realised that this will be the thread on which I have my IVF. <<freaks out.....buries head in sand>>
Anapneo! <clears sand out of rasp's airways>
Tis scary stuff indeed rasp. But you are made of Tough Stuff, and we are all here.
I have remembered - my new embarrassing crush is Tom Selleck as Magnum PI. What a man
Thanks Winks Tom Sellack is not an embarrassing crush, I've always found him pretty sexual. Think it was his stint on friends that did it for me
When he's in the super tight high waisted flares in Magnum its pretty embarrassing
breville your name hasn't half got me craving a cheese ham and ketchup toastie
Ooh Tom selleck - I saw him in some cheap made for tv lim the other day and AREN'T HIS EYES TWINKLY?
Lim? Film. Damn this app and my fat infers. Fingers.
Despite your surprise baybee, you'll do.
rasp the contemplation of it is much worse than actually doing it.
How long have you been trying Toastiegirl?
I thought everyone fancied Tom Selleck? Like Hol, I am a sucker for a man with twinkly eyes <daydreams>
You sound dangerously close to an instadiffer, Brev, but looks like you're in I'm draf, HOTB (him on the bike) and I are 30, a little over three and a half years TTC, and are a week into our first cycle of IVF. I have one tube and recently-diagnosed stage IV endometriosis, so the chances of a natural diff are pretty slim.
You will be fine, rasp. It's a bit of a headfuck, but a means to an end and all that.
The "end" being a chance to have a diff, of course, not the actual diff itself and certainly not a baybee. I am so grateful we now have a chance to even give it a half-decent try.
Welcome toastie. Your name is making me crave carbohydrate.
If we're doing introductions - I'm Fizzy, GFBW (Green Fingered Book Worm) and I have been ttc since Nov 2010. 1 mmc, 2 ectopics, no tubes, endometriosis and on the count down to ivf in October.
If you've been trying for over a year, I would go to the doctor to get yourself referred for some tests. With one tube you can expect things to take a little longer, but they will still investigate you given how long it's been. I never tried opks, though temping was useful for confirming that I do ovulate
despite my consultant pouring scorn on the idea What was the cause of the abcess that cost you your tube?
Oh, and yes to Tom Selleck. I have just been watching LOTR, though, and it's still Aragorn for me every time.
Is it bad that my phone didn't try to autocorrect Aragorn?
Hello Toastie. Sorry to hear about your trubbles.
I'm Bear. I'm on cycle #25 of Ttc with GS (Gruffalo soldier). We're both 34. I came off the pill in August 2011 and not a sniff of a BFP. GS has low everything on the old sperm factor and nothing yet diagnosed for me but I'm probably f*cked too. We're at the early stages of investigations. I agree with Fizz- get yourself into the system as soon as you can because Everything. Moves. Slowly. Or at least it is doing so for me. Still hoping we can get a FUFC diff naturally though.
Oh Fizz- when Aragorn comes tearing through that door with his cloak swishing round him <faints>
Btw I never knew the back story about why BESH are named as such Rasp. Thanks for filling us in. What vile, despicable things to say. (Journo, not you Rasp)
Shall book appt with docs. My name comes from when me and KBTB saw transformers and he jokingly asked me to transform into the kitchen and make him a sandwich [sceptic] and the cat is GruberPrime
No idea what caused the abscess but I was 12 hrs away from death from septicaemia.
Shall give temping a try.
Now off to work but thanks for replies
Hags I have made a decision. I am going to see the councillor at the hospital to discuss my ivf /fertility related anxiety.
bugs that's good. You know me - I like a plan of action.
I caved and tested this morning: BFN. I kind of knew. I had loads of really strong symptoms up to Saturday night but nothing for the past 2 days. I think it tried but didn't make it (again).
This one has hit us both pretty hard. We seem to make embryos that get to blast and try to implant but fail to stick. And it was my last chance to be pregnant on my due date from my miscarriage from the first round. Today is not a good day.
Oh euro . I don't want to get your hopes up with the 'it might be too early' stuff as I know how it feels to just know. I've been there.
We're all here for you
Appontment made for next Wednesday. I'll probably spend the whole hour crying. I've not cried much through this whole process really so think it will be healthy to get it all out. I tend to feel angry more than anything but doubt she'll appreciate me smashing up her office.
Oh euro Be gentle with yourselves today
Sounds good, bugs. Any idea when the appt will be?
I woke up in the night with roiling guts, arrrrgh. Finally was sick an hour ago, but I'm still in my dressing gown feeling sorry for myself and cautiously drinking mint tea.
Its next Wednesday evening draf.
Any idea what's caused your upset stomach? Is it the drucks?
Oh Euro. I'm sorry. Sending you lots of love.
I dunno, bugs. I have the weakest stomach known to man in any case, so it could be anything. I'm feeling okay now, just a bit wiped out! I doubt it was the drugs to be honest; three months of the zoladex implant didn't make me feel sick, and I haven't done during this first week of stabbing either, so it's probably just coincidence. Practice for morning sickness, maybe? <menkul>
Good to hear the appointment is pretty quick - I get so used to fertility appointments being "in six months" that I get proper confused when things happen quickly!
Thats proper shite news euro, I'm so sorry to hear it. I hope you're being kind to yourself today I don't want to clutch at straws but could it be too early to test?
bugs I think that's a fab idea, good on you for getting it sorted. Just letting it all out should do wonders.
draf sorry to hear you're feeling bleugh. Normally anything FC realted takes yonks right?!
Argh, not a good few days for the BESH, huddles in and offers round the cod of comfort.
The BESH are really being bashed about by life at the moment and I feel more protective of everyone than I possibly ever have in my 2 years as a BESH.
I will test again (of course - how could I resist) just in case it was too early, but even if I got a BFP now, I wouldn't be optimistic. On my second cycle I got a negative at 11dpEC (which is what I am today) and a very faint positive at 13dpEC and of course that was a chem preg.
It's odd. Something was definitely going on Friday (cramps all day) and Saturday (nausea all day) but then it just stopped.
Heard today that two my old schoolfriends are diffed. It's fine, I'm pleased for them. It's so weird, with friends I cope quite well, but family or casual acquaintance diffments give me the rage
Oh fucking hell euro, that is just so shite. Again I won't go in for any positive thinking, you know that's against my beliefs. Instead I will promise to pour vast quantities of alcohol down your throat at some point in the future if you want.
Ick to your poorly stomach draf, I hope you feel better soon.
bugs well done for making the appointment. I hope it helps.
So I'm seeing a woo food lady, a woo listening lady and I'm.even considering going to see a woo needles lady. I think I need to learn how to tie dye
Needles appointment made for Monday.
<lights a few candles>
<makes daisy chain>
<wafts joss stick in bugs' direction> next fred can have a hippy feem?!
(Nothing Good Ever Comes Of A Woo Fred, for the newbs)
Hey Alwyn <Waves>
I'm far from a newbie and i didn't know that one.
How's everything with you?
I've just found this quote online and thought it so appropriate:
"Preparing for IVF for the first time is a bit like going into an unknown country with no idea of what to pack and what you will find there. IVF is a journey that challenges every aspect of your life and engages every fibre of your being"
I remember the last woo fred. It was disastrous for pretty much everyone involved iirc.
I am going to make an appointment with a woo foot poking lady. I can't keep having panic attacks at work, in tesco etc etc. I had lunch with a friend today who hada win after 3.5yrs, a mc and Ivf and she recrecommended her. (Her new baybee is scrummy but a major poo machine.)
Oh euro i am really sorry. I was really wishing this would be your cycle after everything. The timing of the news is also just fucking shit. Please look after yourself and Mr Euro. Xx
twonks I went to a foot poking woo lady and am convinced that she did help (ivf epic fail notwithstanding). A little bit of woo won't hurt (a lot of woo will make you smell of cardamom and carelessly hirsute though so watch it).
Hello to everyone else. The Hairy Potter Fred is awesome, by the way. Hello to the newbies too.
I hear ya euro there's nowt to say but sorry. Us muggles could all use some feckin magic at the mo.
Loving the quote bugs I definitely feel like a changed person since all this stuff kicked off. '...engages every fibre of your being.' hmm, not wrong. It's challenging me to cope in ways I never dreamed of
and turn to all sorts of major woo stuff. Hopefully I'll come out of this a better person not a basket case.
Managed to convince the counsellor lady we're good to go anyway... we're officially throoo to the next round chaps! <Proud> Apparently she recommends at least two sessions for most couples but doing our homework paid off We is officially sorted.
Amusingly she started the session by saying 'there are no wrong or right answers, everything you say will stay within these four walls, it's not a test'. And ended by saying 'well I think I can safely pass you off as fit to proceed'. Hmmm!
So. DE co-ordinator lady here we come. Let the agonising wait for the next apt begin!
Brilliant news Coco. People do say some funny things in these situations but to completely contradict themselves..... .
Good luck with the woo Bugs. I'd like to try a bit of woo but MATV is having none of it. Apparently he's the only one allowed to stick things in me (by that I mean the IVF drugs.....pfft you lot have dirty minds....!)
HWCA has given up on having sole claim to my parts after being there several times to see me "have sex with a robot" ie get dildocammed
Great news cherry. When's the next appointment?
I am drinking wine and
perving on watching Magnum, happy in the knowledge that he is a mainstream crush.
Sorry about the BFN euro, clinging on to the hope that it was just too early.
Gosh, what mixed news for the BESH at the moment. Euro I'm so sorry about the BFN. I too am holding to the hope that it's too early. I know platitudes aren't helpful so I will just reiterate what was said in a different context upthread. You are made of Tough Stuff. We all are.
Cherry that's wonderful about the appt. Must be a relief! Do you have any sense of how long the wait is for the DE appointment? I hate waiting
for anything - it's fecking annoying. But you have to celebrate each bit of progress!
We had happy news today. A friend whose baby was stillborn last year has had his little brother. Early, with an emergency section, but here and safe. I'm so pleased, and a bit teary thinking of what they've been through.
Bugs. I'm almost certain you were about for the last woo fred. Maybe a year ago (can't quite believe its that long, but I know where I was working at the time). It was a disaster. Don't go there.
Oh Euro I can't add anything wise or useful but just thinking of you.
That's good news Cherry. I didn't know you had to go through interviews for IVF (unless I've misunderstood?) good that you're getting there though.
I definitely want some woo if you lot are having some. Well done Bugs on taking positive steps. I fancy some foot woo and some needle woo. Think I can only afford one though. I'm also interested in reiki, but know very little about it.
In the interest of balance Euro, I had 2 days where I was convinced my last cycle before intervention had come to nothing, stark white bfns. Overnight when from arctic to bfp, unexpectedly.
Either way have a hand as this bit is awful and hard
I have a question BESH. I'm supposed to be going for a 21day blood test tomorrow, but I'm only just oving today. Is it worth me going tomorrow or should I wait a couple of days til ov is over?
'Day 21' tests are meant to be carried out 7 days after ov. If you go straight after ov your progesterone won't have had time to rise and will make it look like you didn't ov this cycle. Are you sure you've just ov'd?
Yep, I remember distinctly the last woo fred being a complete disaster.
Thinking of you euro
I'm still here and lurking. Job is going well, so hopefully we can start trying for a baybee again in December.
Winks I've had foot poking woo. I am pretty sure it helped me get my first bfp but haven't had any.more for various, rather rubbish reasons. (No.money, no appts when I'm free etc )
Bear id phone the clinic first thing and speak to them.
I will ring the foot poker in the morning then!
Have you considered doing yoga or pilates? I do a class once a week and tonight it was my saviour.
I don't really get on with yoga. I do like pilates but there aren't any one off classes near me, and the sets of classes are usually a waste of money because shift work means I always miss one or more. I may re-google and try again though.
Fand a gym that does Les Mills programmes. I strongly recommend body balance. I'm going to do 2 x classes a week after my holiday.
Winks, I saw woo foot woman the other day for the first time. If nothing else she calmed me right down - in fact I doubt I have ever been calmer than I was in there. Slightly manic at work today though (I'm normally a tigger like character!!) so am glad am seeing her on Thursday!
On response to Aragorn, oh god, yes.
Thanks all. This has hit me pretty hard. I spent most of Saturday struggling to hold food down so I really thought we had cracked it.
merkin at how many dpo did your pish stick turn? <clings to false hope by fingernails>
Yes Winks. Got a positive opk today (although I know these aren't 100% reliable with some conditions), got buckets of ewcm and I can feel it so short of bloods im sure I'm oving now. I'll try to give them a ring tomorrow then. Fanks for the advice.
Day12 euro. And I felt nothing, could not have felt less diffed if I tried. Hence going to bed in tears the night before.
When do they tell you to test Euro? I'm not clear on how dpEC compares.
I know I need red carding as I always get people's hopes up, but its not over til you hear her singing. Am willing you to be wrong
The official test is 14 dpEC (Friday). I planned to test at 12dpEC (tomorrow) but I had a feeling that it wasn't working out and so wanted to take the sting out of it as tomorrow is our wedding anniversary. So I tested today.
I will test again tomorrow anyway, and then I have the clinic blood test on Friday.
Fizzy and Winks no next apointment yet for me, arrggh! So the waiting begins... this is the worst bit for me. I'm OK when I've got a date in the diary, without it, I'm a bit stressy that things aren't moving forwards
quickly enough. OK so it's not a race but we'd all like to win our baybees before we're claiming our pensions, right?
Bear I don't think it's the same for all IVF but donor recipients in the UK have a counselling hoop to jump through because of the added implications. It's part of their HFEA licence aparently. To be fair it was quite a useful sess, she was really nice, practical and for a counsellor there was a distinct lack of head tiltyness
though she still had a stare that could bore through your skull.
Needle poking woo for me on Friday booked, whoop!
God merkin I hope you're right <crosses everything>
Cherry- sorry thicko here must have missed that you are having a donor. All makes a lot more sense now.
Merk- I agree that the seemingly impossible can happen and I really do hope you're right.
I watched The Midwives last night. There were a couple of IVF'ers on there, one was 48 and the other was 38 but single so had used donor sperm. She had twins!
Morning all. Euro I'm keeping the cod of comfort and reef of reassurance warm for you should you need them.
Hope everyone else is well. I have trapped wind <chatty> so can possibly self propel to the office
Missing loads on here by going to work
and an information evening on fostering, scary stuff. So sorry euro. It is just SHIT.
I might be leaving you if we have another woo-fred
I think I had my mc on there.
Morning all. I had 2 glasses of wine last night and am feeling decidedly hungover. Alas I am on a mandatory training course that involves a lot of bouncing about. Urgh. AND its on a day off. Double urgh.
Bad times Winks. Hope your day goes quickly. I feel hungover with just two glasses of wine now. I'm such a lightweight these days.
Drizz- I think the woo Fred idea had gone out if the window as so many BESH don't want it. Please stay.
I think GS turned The Midwives on for a second last night and I asked him to turn it off. Made my heart drop like a stone. I'm glad they had good outcomes though.
I dreamt I got pulled over by the police for reckless driving while eating a millionaire's shortbread at the wheel. Very specific. They let me off with a caution. I woke up feeling very relieved. What's that all about then? I've never been pulled over or anything like that.
Me too now bear. Crazy dream, makes me want millionaire shortbread. No idea what it means though.
Anyone think going to the fertility show might be worthwhile?
Hags, you have inspired me to try acupuncture. I have rung a local lady I like the look of (!). Found her on the British Acupuncture Council website and she's round the corner to me. I figured it can't hurt. I also read this which I thought was useful. Just out of interest, how much do you think I should expect to pay for a session?
Will have a look at your link later Winks.
My initial session is £38.
Woo food lady can no longer see.me this weekend so I'm going next week instead.
Wow driz an evening on fostering sounds enlightening and open minded - are you considering this in the mixed bag of options? I'd cautiously like to research adoption just to know what the lie of the land looks like though ROCH would take some convincing
and would at this stage rather get a dog
Lets not have a whole fred but whisper about our woo instead so as not to invoke the no good demons. Maybe that's what your weird dreams are trying to tell you bear. Invoke the woo but shhh, don't shout about it!
My needle woo lady is £40
How are you feeling today euro?
Okay - thank. Quite varied prices, but I guess different treatments and different areas. At least I know roughly what I'm looking at forking out. She hasn't called me back yet anyway.
Oh no. I appear to have killed the fred!
You haven't killed fred, although it is rather quiet but then again the BESH have been dealt some tough blows of late.
I also have nothing interesting to report.
Actually I do. So GP and I start our 'if only' diet soon in the lead up to IVF and we looked on the fertility clinic website which has loads of good advice and includes a list of vitamins for men to take but doesn't recommend a certain brand. GP rang the clinic and the person who answered the phone spoke to a consultant and he recommended a vitamin called 'Menevit'. Its from Australia and £50 for 3.months supply so we've ordered some.
Yikes that's expensive! What else does your diet involve?
Just checking in to see how Euro is?
Thanks for checking on my ladies. I'm pottering along. I had a ghost of a line yesterday morning, nothing this morning, so another chem preg I think. I have blood test tomorrow which should confirm it, then I can stop the vile pessaries and reclaim my foof.
So sorry euro What a lot of shite for you. Is it too soon to ask where you go from here?
The next step is more tests - DNA fragmentation, karotyping, etc. We've made 4 embies (1 back, 2 back, 1 back). Something has implanted/tried to implant each time, so at least 3 out of the 4 made it to blast and beyond. They all arrested between 3 and 6 weeks. And they were slow growers in the early stages, which can mean nothing, but can also mean chromosomal abnormalities.
And then we might change clinics. I've been looking at CRGH. I've kind of lost the faith in my clinic since they didn't handle the bleed very well and can't suggest anything that might help other than a scratch, maybe.
It involves no booze, no caffiene, good food & exercise, lots of rest. Just being healthy really.
Oh euro, even though you were expecting it, it's such a shitter of a thing. One of the things that we can ask for is "embryo glue" - I've not really got much idea about it yet as we thought we'd see how this first cycle goes first, but it might be worth looking into?
Wow, bugs, that's a whole lot of £££. No-one is interested in HOTB as his swimmers are relatively normal (he has a lowish percentage of normal forms, but the count is so high it doesn't matter in terms of absolute numbers), but he takes zinc and selenium as per GP advice from about two years ago!
I've heard of that draf. I don't think that implantation is the problem though. The first one certainly implanted well enough (I had trouble evicting it!). Our embies just seem to give up.
Ah, I see. There's bound to be something useful out there somewhere.
You know what isn't fair? That everything is a pregnancy symptom. Currently I feel sick (leftover from tummy upset) and completely exhausted. It's the drugs, I know it is, but I can't help menkulling slightly. FFS. And the hot flushes have now been joined by cold ones - I keep lurching from far too hot to freezing cold for no apparent reason. I'd be angry if that wasn't so tiring...
Yes draf absolutely. Yesterday I felt sick (hangover) and tired (pushing myself too hard) and I know it's not diffedness - I doubt I'll even ovulate for another week or two - but there's always that tiny nagging voice saying maybe... Sorry you're going through the mill with illness and drucks.
draf I really feel for you with the hot flushes, internal radiator breakages are nil fun. I was getting night sweats before I got on the old HRT and they did my head in. I was soo resentful of them too which didn't help as it was like adding insult to injury with the whole POF diagnosis. Hopefully yours are a bit more 'no pain no gain' if nonetheless disturbing. I am aaarrrgh for you. Hideous.
euro your diagnosis sounds like its got something in it. I hope you can get a fresh start and some more answers when you're ready <arm rubs>
I'm feeling a bit meh. It's my job to ring all the mutual firends of me and my sister and they keep crying on me. I haven't cried yet. I don't know if I should be crying. It all just seems too big to get hold of just yet and without a full diagnosis I'm not really sure what I'd be crying about. Does that make sense?
Have you read the "how many times" thread? My god, that's depressing.
Yes, coco, it makes perfect sense. Without a precise diagnosis and with the likelihood of available treatment, not crying seems reasonable to me. Of course, crying is also reasonable! It's very scary and a huge shock, and people react to these things in different ways - don't feel guilty because your friends are crying but you are not.
And yes "no pain no gain" is exactly right wrt the flushes! The only thing is "coping with menopause" type sites are entirely unhelpful as they all suggest HRT, which obviously isn't an option...
Tell me about it, euro. I read the first page or two and then gave up - the sheer number of instadiffers is depressing in the extreme.
Oh bloody hell BESH. These are shit times. I'm really feeling the love for you all though. I'm so sorry and so angry that we all have to go through this. I know saying that doesn't help anyone, but I just feel so argh.
Anyway, Cherry- I've been like that when I've had to deliver awful news but it hit me much later on. Months in fact. Don't feel you have to be strong- you don't. But also, don't worry if you haven't cried. You just process it in the way that is best for you.
Euro- I'm so sorry it didn't work, but I do believe you will get your baybee. I really do.
I was chatting to a friend today about IVF and she said her SIL had two failed attempts until they worked out that SIL had a diabetic (type 1) father and she'd inherited some antibodies through this. It took a course of drugs and she got diffed on her third round. Maybe they need to do more in depth testing Euro like you said. There has to be a reason for it, as there is a reason for all of us. Keep hope BESH. <squeeze>
I read that instadiffer thread too. Felt bloody depressed after too, BUT I feel that hope can be bloody strong too. and gin all round.
Just posting so bear doesn't think she killed the fred two days in a row
Also, please wallop me with a blobfish for I am menkulling. Ridiculous.
I'm still here, lurking. I don't have anything of interest to report. Its 4dpo so droid is due next weekend sometime.
Until recently I've always had trouble sleeping. Since GP & I swapped sides in bed I sleep like a total baby. Its amazing.
I am very in and out of the fred because a) I have little to say, b) I am back at work and nobody has done anything
they should have, grrr while we were away on our post IVF-escape, so no time and c) I am consciously spending less time on MN to keep TTC thoughts minimal. Having said all that, it is cd27 and I am menkulling. Because clearly I would get diffed naturally the month after failed IVF...
Holding hands for those waiting and waiting and waiting. Your time sounds particularly shit cherry. I am piecing together your story from snippets. I am with euro that your response to your sister's situation is reasonable, whatever it is.
Holding hands for OTD euro. Not that long to go draf, but it sounds horrid. I did not cope well w DRing, but at least I only had two or three hot flushes...
Yay for good sleep bugs!
Euro it sounds like you might be on to something there with the other tests. Definitely worth having because as you say the embies are trying to stick.
Good luck with getting the diet started Bugs, you'll feel so much better really quickly
I have everything crossed for the menkullers!
From me - stabbing starts tomorrow. Eeek!
fanks everyone for being so kind and supportive, it means a lot <proffers sturgeon of solidarity>
Well, ROCH and I had a silly altercation last night and it threw me over the edge... so much for not crying - all this sttuff came up from nowhere and I sobbed like a crazy thing. Felt better for it though and hopefully woo needle lady will help later too.
Good luck with stabbing tommorw rasp is eeek and cool at the same time that stuff is happening for you.
I've just heard that they have room for us at the CRGH Open Evening next week, so we will go along to that. I'm glad because I'm out of the country for the next one. And you know me, I like a plan to be in place.
cheerycherry sometimes a good cry can be the best thing.
Good luck rasp! It really is fine.
You'll be fine, rasp. Good luck!
What's CRGH, euro? Something Something General Hospital?
Feel less exhausted today, hurrah! I have turned the mattress and have the sheets in the wash. Just need to seek out food; yesterday's total consumption was a slice and a half of bread, two packets of buttons, and about three spoonfuls of chilli. Today I am hungry!
Something Reproductive & Gynae Something I reckon draf. I've never looked.
I just had the call: BFN confirmed. The dr seemed very frustrated that it isn't working for us.
I'm sorry Euro. It's shit. Pleased you've got a space at CRGH open evening though, I like a plan in place to, I can cope with it all if I have dates and plans. It's uncertainty that tips me over the edge.
Grrrrrr Euro I'm so sorry. And will take additional fish face slaps for getting your hopes up. Here's hoping to a good new plan for you that will work
euro this whole thing is shit. I really hope you get some answers next week.
Oh euro, I'm so sorry.
"Centre for Reproductive and Gynaeological Health" is my guess. <tosses a couple of quid into the pot> Seems a little weird not to have the location in the name, though.
I'm sorry Euro. Glad you've got your place. Hopefully you can sort out a plan and find out what's going on soon.
Good luck with stabbing Rasp.
Hope you feel marginally better for your cry Cherry.
Hope everyone else is ok <passes the gin around>
I was actually really good until GP came home 5 hours late from worked, caused an argument because 'I wound him up' and then he went to bed. Normally I am 50% responsible for arguments but tonight he's totally on his own. I've told him that until I receive a decent apology me & him are not on. I've told him I'll do nothing for him, no tea, no washing, nothing. He's totally out of order.
Oh no Bugs. That's shit. I'd be furious. But he might wake up tomorrow and be very apologetic. He's going to need to do dome serious grovelling though. Here, have the catfish of comfort and some gin. Hope you're alright.
Men can be such sensitive stroppy creatures sometimes.MATV picks fights sometimes, usually I'd he's been stressed at work. I always take the bait though and end up in tears. Fingers crossed for a apology this morning. Hopefully he'll realise he was out of order.
Good for you on the crying Cherry. It's definitely therapeutic and helps I think.
Oh Bugs that sounds shitty. Hopefully he'll see sense this morning. Stick to your guns if not though!
Rasp - does stabbing commence today?
Stabbing commenced at 0700. It was fine, didn't really even feel it. Just read the massively negative condescending information leaflet that came with it. I'm just going to ignore it, it was clearly written by a misogynistis barren hater.
Sorry about that bugs. I hope he wakes up very apologetic.
Good luck for stabbing rasp!
I've done it! Was fine
How are you feeling?
Oh, bugs, that's so frustrating. It's so much worse when it's the ones you love being dicks, isn't it? Hopefully he'll wake up in a better mood and be nice to you again.
Well done rasp! You are clearly much more of a morning person than I am - I stab at 8.30am I'm curious about the info leaflet though - give us a quote?!
It just goes on about how women using fertility drugs should aware that miscarriage is much higher in those using drugs than the 'normal' population and how the chance of deformities/defects are higher. It's just patronising and unnesecessary wording I think.
Ps MATV was not impressed on stabbing time but he leaves for work on weekdays at 730!
Congrats on the no nonsense stabbing routine rasp. Awesome work. The derrogatory 'ness' of most medical terminology will never cease to amaze me.
When I was first disgnosed with POF by the GP she referred me to the FC 'to see if they can salvage anything'.
What like my youth, my hopes and dreams that you just shattered with your vile language and your poor bedside manner, bitch? Misogynistic is a cool word.
bugs I hope you have woken up to a grovelling apology. Fish and gin to all hags.
Well done on the stabbing rasp. Have you got any little gold star stickers MATV can give you for being brave?
GP is at work today and has left me a note apologising but after the first bad night sleep in nearly 2 weeks I'm not feeling very forgiving. He admits he was tired & hungry and his intentions were good he just handled it badly. He's only human but he was so out of line I kind of want a proper apology. AIBU?
YANBU Bugs. He owes you a face to face apology but the fact he left a note would console me that he'd realised what a toss pot he'd been at least.
I asked MATV if I could have a sticker, he said I could have a slap in the chops for whining so much pre stab! He's such a romantic.
I love the word misogynistic cherry, not the meaning, just the word!
Well done on the stabbing Rasp, a lot of the worry about it is down to the waiting rather than the act itself.
Bugs, you definitely deserve a fact to face apology, plus flowers, chocolates and a nice dinner out.
I've been for a dog walk and sent him a message. I am beyond tired and have zero patience so my poor dogs have been yelled at. I'm now on my bed awaiting his reply so I can listen to the woo cd frank kindly sent me. I might even have a little sleep but have shed loads to do today. Fucking men.
woo cd listened to and its actually really good. Thanks again Frank.
Faith the postman has been, thanks for the book. As you've seen on t'other place I've eaten really well since cutting out glue a week ago and lost 5lb!!
Is the weight loss down to food not sticking to your insides any more, bugs?
Well done on the weight loss Bugs! Hope he is making it up to you Big Stylee as I write.
I'm shattered today. Rang the clinic yesterday to ask about ov day and day 21 test and they said to go ahead on 21 even if you think you ov'd close to it. So, we'll see how the results come back, but if they say I haven't ov'd
So anyway I slept well last night for about 7 and a quarter hours and had up get up at 7 for the bloods. But I was exhausted and had to go back to bed off a couple of hours when I got back. Still feel whacked and now menkulling too. I'
He is at work currently but due home soon.
I think I've cracked what makes my tummy sore/crampy/windy - too much dairy, gluten and too much sugar / natural sugar. Had g/f musli for breakfast with 100% apple juice, turkey and braised red cabbage for lunch and now my tummy is so sore & windy. The cabbage was full of sugar as I made it myself and the musli had naturally occuring sugar in it.
I know this is exactly what rasp has been saying for ages
Don't worry bugs. I'm not being much of a saint at the moment. I bought two twin packs from Tescos last night and have scoffed one box plus a bag of malteasers today. I'm obv blaming the resultant headache on this mornings stabbing though glad you've been feeling better. You know the path to take from now on, once your system clears you'll be able to have the odd treat and it won't particularly affect you.
Ps in terms of natural sugar, the best fruits are berries. Fruit has a lot of sugar in it. Gives me thrush if I eat too much - that and to much coffee
That's not very clear, the best fruit to eat are berries, much less naturally occurring sugar.
On a daily basis I normally eat blueberries, blackberries, raspberries & strawberries. I eat maybe a banana a day 5 times a week ish. Keeping a food diary has really opened my eyes to food & feeling good. I so wish id not had the red cabbage and just had turkey & salad / rice.
GP is home with a hug, an apology, flowers & a bar of 70% dark chocolate.
Hmmmm, I think GP could pass. MATV would never do that!
That's good Bugs. I'm pleased it's turned out well and he's come round.
No-one noticed my glue joke <note to self: v few people enjoy terrible puns and crap jokes>
Glad to hear GP has redeemed himself, bugs
Sorry Evil 😊 'twas tres funny really 😏
Oh no, emoticon fail!
You're welcome bugs!
I'm so sorry euro my luffly.
draf I am most lurking cos I have nothing to say, but I was searching for a glue-related comment and failed, so was very impressed and amused by yours
Fish slaps to everyone else.
Watch out for the apple juice bugs, fruit juices hit your blood stream faster than a spoon of sugar! For reals! It's because fructose molecules are smaller than glucose ones so they're more quickly absorbed - n.b., if a diabetic is having a hypo they'll be given fruit juice!
How about almond milk? Is yummy and v easy to make. Simply chuck say 15 or so almonds in to a blender with a pint of water and whiz. Leave overnight and they suggest straining but I never bother, why remove nut particles from meusli?
Thanks for the tip pone I'll keep it to a minimum from now.
Arrrrgh, BESHes, I am incompetent. I didn't shove the needle on the syringe firmly enough this morning, so halfway through injecting it started dripping. So I clearly haven't got a full dose today, but I have got some of it. Grrrrr, how am I so stupid?! I shall just have to make sure I do it properly tomorrow, I suppose.
I'm sure it will be fine Draf. Maybe ring the clinic. How much do you think you lost? Mine really stung this morning, ice cube for me tomorrow!
I've lost a few drops here and there trying to get air bubbles out! Paranoid....
Where are you at cycle wise at the moment Draf?
Sorry for multiple posts, keeping pressing send before I've said all I want to!
Yay for GP bugs he has redeemed himself!
draf I'm sure you're not unusual to have a slight drucksfail. I've read somewhere that there's always slightly more in a dose than strictly necesary so that if you lose a bit it's not the end of the world. Annoying though.
I've been GF since April but I do fall off the wagon now and again. Yesterday I might have had a bit of toast and jam. God it was good! Have a lovely Sunday everyone. I'm off to take the 'orse out for a blast.
I doubt there's much the clinic could say other than "get it right tomorrow", tbh. It was two or three big fat drops, but I've no idea what the volume actually was. You're right, coco, there's probably a bit of leeway anyway!
In terms of cycle days, due to starting zoladex three months ago, I'm currently CD81 As far as IVF goes, I have two weeks of downreg stabbing under my belt, and another still to go - scan/bloods on Tuesday next week. Hopefully start stimming Weds next week!
I think people must get stuff wrong all the time or forget etc, it will be fine I'm sure.
Ladies I have some random ingredients that need using up and am wondering about making a cheese and broccoli soup. I have frozen broccoli, some shropshire blue cheese that's gone over a bit too much to eat really because it's gone a bit hard but I don't want to waste it. I also have home made chicken stock, some proper English butter and a red onion. What do you reckon?
Sounds good Rasp. I love a good soup
where have others stabbed? We've gone for upper outside thigh the first two stabs which I'm sure the nurse said was fine but I've just looked at a couple of vids and they all say, as do the instructions on the leaflet, to do it on the tummy. Are we imagining things? Im sure the nurse said thigh was fine. One of the videos I watched the woman said when she was stabbing on left side her left eggs grew really quickly so she swapped to right and the right ones then grew quickly!
Nurse said belly, so belly it is. It makes no difference what side you do it on, though, it's subcutaneous not intra-ovarian
right, I'm moving to belly tomorrow.
Might be worth noting that's for downregging, though - I've not had the stimming how-to yet.
God this feels stressful today. I just realised that I completely forgot to take the low dose aspirin yesterday, to busy stressing about the blummin injections. I'm really panicky and I don't know why, we're doing everything we've been told to do. I've been watching videos and Googling way to much. I think I just need to step away from the internet...
Mmm, soup sounds great. I made Spinach soup last week from some similarly mismatched ingredients, turned out pretty tasty
and glow in the dark green. Looks like this week's lunches may be veg rack remenants too. I can't sell it to ROCH for tea though, it aint substantial enough for a main meal in his book.
I know practically nowt about stabbing but I have to alternate my HRT patch left and right to do with absorption so it might have some bearing.
rasp my clinic doesn't have you taking low dose aspirin until after EC, so don't worry. It'll be fine, honestly.
We were told to grab a role of belly fat, but as long as it gets in there, it should do the job.
bugs I'm glad that he redeemed himself.
draf people react differently to the dose anyway, so they are effectively guessing until they start the scans and blood tests, so a few drops is neither here nor there.
bear if the day 21 result doesn't confirm ov, demand another one 7 days after you think you ovulate.
rasp don't worry, it will be fine! The clinics wouldn't leave it to numpties like us if it could go badly wrong via the odd mistake
Would it help to write a list
in big felt tip letters of what needs doing when? We have been looking after friends' pets this weekend and if it wasn't all written out I'd have forgotten half of it!
Bloody hell, made a right mess of it again this morning, didn't get all the water into the jar then lost a bit more again trying to get an air bubble out. List is a good idea Fizz. Ill right one tonight.
I love a list they really help to empty my head of all my thoughts that go round & round & round & round.
I do for the same reason but this is all so simple I'd have thought I wouldn't manage to bugger it up so easily. Like Fizz said though, they wouldn't let us lot do it if there was not room for error. I'm assuming its a cumulative affect anyway so if I got a slightly low dose today they'd maybe find that I need an extra stab or something.
Bugger, ill *write one. That was either my phone or lack of caffeine!
Rasp are you able to do everything at the same time, or do you have to stab at a certain time then take aspirin at another? If you can do everything at once you might find you get into a little routine: fill needle, take aspirin, apply ice, alcohol wipe, stab, etc.
Also, I was told to inject into the belly, but that thigh was fine. I was told to alternate sides just to prevent making an area sore. I found that leaning forward slightly helped when grasping a handful of flesh! It's easier/less painful to inject into a handful/pinch of flesh than straight into the stomach I found.
I agree rasp, there is plenty of room for error and you get used to it quickly. A list in the meantime makes the head a lot happier.
Soup is an excellent idea. I need to come up with good healthy food that grows nice womble lining
although that never seems to be an issue for my frostie and general autumnal grump.
Oh an I injected in belly and tighs depending mostly on what I was wearing (trousers=belly, dresses=tigh) and it seemed to make no difference. I tended to inject on the right and 10 out of 13 decent follies grew on the left... And I hated it, so if you do, know you're not on your own!
Sorry you are not finding it easy, rasp. It sounds like the vast majority of the drugs are ending up where they should though, so you are doing well. As I said to draf in my last post, they are pretty much guessing at the dose to begin with anyway, so a few drops is not going to make any kind of difference.
I had a bit of a meltdown yesterday. It was so hard spending the weekend seeing KFZK and his brother with his brother's very cute little girl. It coincided with the post-IVF hormone crash too, which didn't help. I drove 100 miles home choking back the tears and making KFZK find the happiest silliest stuff on his ipod to get me through. I nearly killed a few twatty drivers with my bare hands and almost threw the sat nav through the window on the way through London as it kept taking us on stupid routes. And then got home and bawled my eyes out. There was a lot to come out. I had never even had a proper good cry after the mc (I was just numb) or the other failed cycle. Droid arrived in the night, so I think my hormones are starting to level out now. I hope so. I have a headache today after all the crying.
Oh euro I am sorry. Nothing so stabby as seeing what should have been, could have been etc. The day after the def negative from our last IVF we were at my sister's holiday destination with my nephews clambering all over SB. It hurt. We left sooner than we would have done normally. So it is difficult. I think a big cry was overdue. A single mc is cause enough for days of wailing and the two cycles since, especially with the trauma of EC for you, would be enough to knock you sideways. So I hope the hormones behave, because the day of progesterone crash just adds another layer to it all. Huge sorry, handhold, cake and chocolate.
You are entitled to a meltdown Euro, you've been through a lot and it all has to come out one way or another. Hope kFZK provided a solid comforting shoulder to cry into though.
Plan for tomorrow I think is to do aspirin and drugs together, ill do a checklist to run through as I do it in the morning. MATV is a bit freaked out by stabbing in the tummy so ill do it, wasn't so bad in my tummy as I thought it would be. I spoke to the clinic and they said not to panic and see how it's looking on Thursday at my scan. I haven't been using alcohol wipes! FFS I promise I was at the appointment when they told us what to do. I don't remember her saying anything about it. I could TCP it afterwards I suppose
rasp they didn't say anything to us about alcohol wipes, but I just took it on myself to rub some of that antibac handgel stuff over the site before and after. TCP would sting!
Yeah but ill have a lovely TCP smell for the day if I use that. Eau du parfume TCP
Isn't cleaning afterwards pointless? I thought the idea was to get your skin clean before you break through it. However, I think I'm right in saying that NHS guidelines don't say medical professionals have to use wipes any more anyway - certainly the last few blood tests I've had the nurse just stabbed my arm without wiping. I use wipes because they got delivered with my needles etc: waste not want not and all that
Sorry you've been feeling shit, euro it's entirely understandable that you would - look after yourself.
Lists are good, rasp. I'm very comforted by routine and checking things off, so was v pleased to find a record-keeping sheet in my sheaf of paperwork - makes it much easier to be certain I've done everything! It's not too complex at the minute with just the one stab, but when I'm stabbing twice a day it will be helpful I think.
I don't think I'd cope with two stabs a day! I'm in enough of a pickle as it is. So are we probably agreeing to give Eau du TCP a miss then? Or maybe just a light spritz!
Well, I dunno, you might make a whole new set of friends if you wander around smelling all medicinal
I LOVE the smell of TCP!
Euro you have a lot of healing to do and I the heard road you have walked so far will take time to 'get over'. Be very kind to yourself.
I'm going for my first needle woo lady appointment shortly. Any tips? Where will she stab? will I need to rest after like after reflexology? Am a teen bit nervous
draf afterwards it's just to wipe the blob of blood away. I don't think it matters what you do it with. I just didn't want to be walking around with a smear of blood across my belly!
bugs fertility acu usually focuses on the lower legs, bizarrely, although you might get some in your belly and elsewhere too.
I didn't have any blood yesterday or today although I did have a big blob on the first stab. Perhaps all my blood has dried up!
Ooo, exciting stuff, bugs! I have mentally decided that if (when) this IVF cycle doesn't work, I shall try woo needles for the next one.
I use cotton wool afterwards, euro. Although I've not bled much at all, just a drop or two once or twice, usually there's nothing at all. It does make removing the needle more comfortable, though, holding it steady with the cotton wool.
Hiya folks. Sorry there is so much miz about the BESH.
Bugs, when I had needle woo, I got needles on my ears, between my eyebrows, my wrists, belly, lower legs and feet! Some felt a bit funny and warm. I think occasionally one would hurt very briefly, but then was fine. And I never bled after, which was always my fear at first.
Good luck with the stabbing ladies. Hope you're being looked after Euro
When's your scan Sinks? How you feeling?
rasp sorry about your stabbing woes. I must admit, it doesn't sound fun.
bugs I had needles all over when I had it, and it did make me quite relaxed and a bit sleepy.
I'm out. My woo lady is luffly and has purple hair!! She totally seemed to get it. I had them in my feet, knees, tummy & wrists and she said my 'liver chi' is blocked. I'm off for more next Wednesday.
A Chi in your liver doesn't sound healthy?
Apparently is fixable. She also told me I breath in just the top of my lungs and I need to use my full capacity (anxiety related).
Accirding to Dr Google, a blocked liver chi is linked to emotions, usually those of anger and/or frustration:
"According to the philosophy of Chinese medicine, the liver is responsible for the smooth flow of Qi (energy) throughout the body and smoothing our emotions. Anger, irritability, and frustration are all signs that our Qi is not flowing smoothly. This is referred to as Liver Qi Stagnation, one of the most common imbalances treated by Eastern medicine."
"Here are some of the symptoms commonly associated with Liver Qi stagnation:
Pain or discomfort anywhere along the sides of the body
Sensation of a lump in throat
Bitter taste in mouth
Abdominal pain and discomfort
Stomachache that improves after massage
Stomachache that worsens with anger
PMS with irritability or swollen breasts
Irregular or painful periods
Churning sensation in stomach"
Those digestive issues rear their head again.
<begins to wonder if there is something to ths woo malarkey after all>
Did she measure your pulse? Mine was always a bit thready and fast <inappropriate proud emoticon> Also anxiety apparently.
All fine Rasp. Scanage next week, but ignoring to save going total batshit crazy.
Yes, on both wrists but she didn't tell me her thoughts about any specific item just about my liver & breathing.
Frank that sounds awfully familiar. I'm definitely a believer in woo related stuff.
Sinks be sure to let us all know how it goes. We're all rooting for you.
Wow, I think I may have a major blockage in on of my chi's somewhere! I'm bloated enough! I've always wondered about woo but like I say, I think MATV would divorce me. Tip for breathing bugs, lie on your back, breath in while resting your fist gently at the top of your belly, at your diaphragm and as you breath in feel your belly push right up, that should be your oxygen getting to the depths of your lungs, slow and steady. In through the nose, out through the mouth.
I'm totally not a woo person at all - except for acupuncture. It seems to work, so I'm all for it. Not sure about the whole Qi "energy" business though. But then, woo practitioners rarely seem to use the term "energy" correctly, so... As our Gallic cousins would say: bof.
Morning BESHES. Have a good day.
Bugs where is this recipe you mention in the other place? I want to try!
I was taught to free my chis (especially those in "womanly parts"!) by sitting with both feet on the ground rather than crossing your legs.
I am not a woo. It's supposed to allow the earth's energy to travel equally from your feet up in to your pelvis. You need the earth to make you whole. Ommmmmmmm.
This is in grave danger of turning into a woo fred. And we all know ngccoawt.
I agree. Too much woo.
Pierce Brosnan in Goldeneye is nowhere near as fit as I remember from the 90s.
euro how are you? How is everyone else? I feel behind. Maybe a roll call is in order
to suit me
Fuck woo, I want witchcraft. <accio baybee> or in fact accio anything, I have just been on an inadvisably hard bike ride and now have jelly legs. Weeding the garden is going to be hard... Can you imagine how wonderful it would be to have a wizard around to Banish weeds?
twink, I'm still downregging. One more week to go, then scan and bloods on Tuesday.
I'm looking forward to going to Burghley horse trials on Saturday though - hurrah for the Great Outdoors and ponies and unfeasibly giant obstacles
rasp a nurse told me the bleeding is completely arbitrary based on whether or not you hit a little capillary. I had a bit of blood about 50% of the time.
Winks thanks for asking. I'm doing ok. I went to see my bestie (the one with 3 IVF babies) last night. He hubby hid upstairs while she listened to be blether on. It was much needed.
draf accio baybee didn't work for me. I'm thinking about maybe getting a kitten and trying to transfigure it instead.
Oooh, have fun at Burghley Draf . If you pick up the latest Horse and Hound magazine (before the new one comes out on Thursday) they've got the X-Country course in it.some if those jumps are freakin huge!
V jealous of Burghley
Ah, I was thinking to get H&H - wasnt sure if the course preview would be the current one or the next one. I've had a look at the video online though - exciting stuff with the course changes!
It's so good, Merk. And I'm especially looking forward to it as we missed Badminton this year, so have 4* event withdrawal symptoms!
It's a few years since I've been (damn moving down South away from horsey friends!)
draf I meant to say I am pea green with envy over you going to Burghley But I am going on holiday on Saturday, so that's ok, although I will likely have droid, which isn't.
Winks the recipie was for real and it was lurverly. Any berries will do, the banana is the strongest taste though so reckon you'd be ok with just a nanana
We go to Badminton and Burghley (almost) every year, and several lower-calibre events too. HOTB has a shitload of photos from events too, if you want to reminisce
I'm a bit annoyed this year though, as stabbing (even the max 30 mins earlier than usual) is going to hold us up - normally we're there having bacon sandwiches at 8.00am, but this year we won't leave home before 8.15am. Still, at least Cambs is close.
Wow, I could spend hours on there! And he uses bitcoin (fellow geek spotted)!
This is a stupid question but could you not stab in the car? Obv I don't know the ins and outs but if its about temperature, a cool bag and an ice pack??
rasp I wasn't brave enough for the recipe today. I have had a shocking day, food-wise as well
Hehe yes, he is a geek! If you really want to indulge your geeky side, go to the "technology" page... No, can't stab in the car - or rather, I could, but I'm not leaving the drugs in the car all day as I've got no idea what temperature it could get to even with a cool bag. For the sake of getting there an hour later, it's just not worth it
We just made soup. Was very nice.
I'm having a little meltdown tonight. We had a chat and MATV admitted that if this round doesn't work he's not sure he wants to do it again but FET might be an option if we get any though I just feel negative about everything at the moment. I just feel devestated that my life has come to this then I feel guilty because he always says he loves our life and loves me and if it doesn't happen we still have so much to look forward to. I wish I could take that approach, I just can't move my mind past the fact that I'll probably be a barren forever and that's what will define me as a person.
Sorry for the downer.
Big wet fishslaps rasp, its super shitty I know. But do try not to dwell on 'if it doesn't work' - it may well work, it does happen.
Seconded Winks. Rasp- don't give up.
Euro- I'm sorry it's so shit for you.
Sorry my comments are brief and unenlightening bug I am shattered from work and seems to be par for the course at the mo.
Hi to everyone else. Hope you're okay.
Rasp focus on the now if you can. MATV may change his thoughts but its not a bridge you need to cross yet.
Euro have some
Oh my god I think a regular newbie on.conception discusses her ovulation with her work colleagues!!
I will post a.link when I'm near a pc!
Thanks chaps, you're right. It's about the here and now, not the future we can't predict.
Bugs there's a woman at work who had new there years who apparently when trying to get pregnant (had twins who are now 9) used to tell everyone when she was ovulating and that she had to leave early or be in late as she was doing the deed. Grim.
Bugs I saw that comment the other day and was
However because I am an incredibly grumpy bitch at the moment I put it in the bucket of 'influx of newbies driving me fucking mad' and promptly
made myself forget about it
Yo hags. Oooh unexpected eventing geek reveals tonight. good stuff. I was meant to be heading to Burghley too on Sat to meet my sis. She's just confirmed not up for it, though, sob. ROCH isn't up for being dragged round another horse event having already done Badders this year so looks like I may not get afterall. Gutted.
rasp, euro sorry you're feeling pants.
No only can NGCFAWF , NGCCFET.
poas 9-10dpo. FFS
The ESH have always been well represented at Badminton and there will be ESH offspring competing there in years to come.
I have never been to Badminton despite being a former horsey person. I feel a little left out.
I am unreasonably short tempered today and feel like telling the fucktards I work with the shove their job.
I've given up and come home to do. That has meant giving apologies for a meeting but I've got a headache and I'm so frigging bloated I can't fit in my trousers so at home I can work in my pants I've never been to a horsey event, apart from country fairs type stuff. *feels left out too*
<sits in the non-horse-show corner with bugs and rasp>
rasp is it the drucks bloating you and kicking you in the head? Sympathies. Though I would love to be able to wotk from home (but that wouldn't really work)
bugs nothing unreasonable about being short tempered but probably best to keep your job. Can you get out for some fresh air?
I have one more night shift before I'm on leave. Can't wait. Also can't wait for HWCA to get home so we can watch Bake Off, though it is nice having the flat to myself for a few hours.
I'm with you Frankel, he's a living legend of our time <nods> . I was really lucky to be in the stands at Ascot and see him come through and win his last race. Everyone was in bits. It was amazing! Love a bit of sport enduced emotional outpouring.
Hi Clyde loving your ambition for the offspring, not a bad height to aim for
even if you do have to be nuts to compete at that level. In a good way obv
Love that you are at work in your pants rasp. Argh I wish I was. My director just made me cry at work. I told her about my sister and she was way too nice. Blub.
I mean working at home in pants. Actaully at work, that would be brave or stupid! Unless of course you have legs like a supermodel, which of course you might. Would be a talking point at the meeting. OK I'll stop now. Feel a bit of a blundering wreck just now... forgive.
Too early bugs. You're not far off being in with a chance of seeing something though.
cherry I think frank was there too.
I'm not a horsey type at all. I find them beautiful, but a bit scary. I'm a proper townie. KFZK takes the mickey. One of our current skits has us shouting "horsies" in the manner of a 3 year old whenever we pass any kind of farmyard animal. This stems from me saying "oh look, horses" a few weeks back as we drove past a field. The field was full of cows. To be fair to myself, I was driving at a fair speed and there was foliage in the way... KFZK thought it was hilarious.
Oooo, I'll have to show you my piccies cherry, I managed to see him race every time in his last season, plus twice as a 3 year old and once as a 2 year old I was there on Guineas day
I've been to see him at stud once so far and will probably go and see him again before the year is out - I only live a 15 minute drive from the stud.
The BESH can attest to my
constant Frankel updates all last year
His little sister is running at Salisbury tomorrow and I'm going to be there for a work function so hopefully she'll go well.
Tis good being able to work from home. Everyone thinks I've gone home to sun myself but I'm actually more productive at home, I'm one of those people that can get up at 7, grab a coffee and work through until lunch, eat then get back to it until 5 without getting distracted. It's hard if your likely to be distracted by lie in's, TV or ironing if you stay at home.
Yep Twinks think its the old lady piss making me ick and a bit of hayfever too.
Glad you've got a supportive boss Cherry. It makes so much less stressful when you know work isn't going to be a difficulty.
Love your cow mishap Euro. It's the sort of thing I'd do!
If it helps euro I had the piss royally ripped out of me for not understanding why an ambulance message passed to us about "Pat" suddenly started talking about "femalename" - being too thick to realise 'pat' meant patient
Ha ha Frankel you is obsessed no?! Love a bit of pony ogling for work, would love to see piccies -- and pixies as my predictive text offered --
euro ROCH and I have an ongoing skit than involves PIGGIIIIEES! Probably very similar to your outbursts. Endless amusement of a farm yard variety, all good. I might be a 34 year old professional laydee but you can't knock a good pre school gag like that.
A weird almost poignant thing happened to me yesterday; I had picked up my friend's baybee who had just woken up and was grizzling a bit in his pram. I was jiggling him a bit on my knee when out of the blue an old friend of mine pitched up. We were chatting away and he was like 'aww I'd no idea, how old's your baby?' I was totally caught on the hop with that. 'Errr awkward sausage, I don't know, he's not mine!' But just for one moment I could have been a mum in someone's eyes. Made me feel odd, like elation, hope and despair all at once.
Oh Cherry I bet that stung a bit. A similar thing once happened to me.
Another bfn this morning. Why oh why do I do this to myself???? <tips bucket of prawns over self>
Follicle scan day for me. Having to drive on my own. I know it sounds daft but I'm nervous! I hate motorway driving at the best of times but on my own.....eeeek. I have twat nav though so I'm sure ill survive!
Sending you good egg vibes rasp.
Oh, coco I'm always afraid of that when I'm cuddling babies, how sad and nice all at once.
Good luck, rasp! Sure it'll be fine
Just had fruit omlette again bugs-get my protein up!
Me too Rasp although I can't seem to get it as good as I did the first time. How do you.make yours?
Oh bugs that's crap. Maybe all that fishy goodness will be food for the sole.
Hope today goes well for you Rasp oooh, fruit omlette sounds good, might have to try that. What sort of fruit to you add in? Do you sweeten it any?
A banana and blueberries. Tis lush!
Good luck today rasp!
cherry that must have been odd.
We had our CRGH open evening last night. The staff seem lovely, but the environment is horrible - it's a big, somewhat grotty hospital. Very clinical and a bit scary (for me). Hmmm. We're going to have a consultation there to try to get a look at the actual consulting rooms and to see what they would suggest for me.
Just popping in to see how Rasp got on with the follie scan. Hope it went well.
Euro - I've read lots of good things about there. Hopefully they will be full of ideas for you. When might you get an appointment?
hello ladies, today went well. Was there for an hour in the end. Thought it'd be a 10 minute jobbie but no...... anyway. I have lots and lots of follies. 11 that are over their minimum rating of 10 (they are between 12-15 mm) and lots more just under 10 then a few more tiddlers that aren't really doing anything. Lining is getting nice and thick. I've now been given Ceterocide???? to prevent ovulation until Sunday when they will scan again with a view to EC being NEXT TUESDAY! I thought I had another week or two yet but seems not. Still, sooner the better really. I am getting a serious amount of pant snot. Epic amounts. Thanks for all the good vibes, they clearly worked wonders. I was supposed to be working from home today but have just emailed my boss to say I'm a lost cause and I will try to be more productive tomorrow when I'm back in the office. Think she's given up on me already while I'm through all this so I'm sure it will be fine.
bugs & Cherry I did three eggs this morning. I do it in a little diddy pan with a bit of olive oil. I leave it so its more like a pancake so its flat, turn it half way through, mash up the banana and smear it all over the top while the other side is cooking so the banana warms up, slide it on the plate then top with blueberries/blackberries and a drizzle of honey. Nom
That's interesting Euro, I've heard lots about CRGH from other forums and thought it would be a big posh place. It's important to feel comfortable with where you are going, especially when you are paying yourself.
Sorry for the BFN Bugs and the baby mistake Cherry. Tis shit
Hi Jeff, thanks for popping in. Not long for you now?
Evil how are you doing?
Wow, rasp, excellent scannage!
All same old same old here, scan on Tuesday and still downregging in the meantime. My parents are here though - nice to see them but it's like a whirlwind of DIY! Just got to get HOTB to cart his stuff upstairs so we can paint the living room tomorrow...
Whoop for Rasp's follies. Great news
DIY! I wish I could get MATV going on DIY and paint the kitchen but he's not interested
Apologies for absence, back to work and it's been manic...
So day 21 bloods back - normal and concurrent with ovulation SO WHY AM I CRAP AT KEEPING BABIES IN MY TUMMY? Is what I want o know. And if I was ovulating then where is my period?
I feel like a grown up Judy Blume novel, all teenage (thirty something) angst.
Hope all ok, will catch up with thread later. Xx
Tremendous work on the follies rasp
On the horsey thing, went to races last week and only came out £2 down. Was ridiculously chuffed.
How did Frankel's sister get on?
Evening all, only just got back - long day!
rasp well done in all the follies
Pleased to report Frankel's sister won her race in a nice fashion, lots of promise for the future.
Awesome follie making rasp you should be well proud with that effort. I shall definitely making the fruity omelette too. Nice tip :-)
Ooh Frankel sounds v promising. Is she full sister?
Well done on the growing rasp lets hope it continues well.
As for the fruity pancake your method sounds a lot more professional than mine so I'll try that this morning.
Its 11dpo and I have brown tinged cm so I think droid is en route. Fecking twat fucker.
Rasp I just tried your method and Its nice but my method makes it sweeter (Imo). I mix the eggs with the mashed banana then fry it and chuck blueberries on half way through.
Hurrah rasp that's good news. Can I be nosy and ask if it's uncomfortable having so many follies growing? Tempted to try a fruit omelette myself later. bugs sorry about the cm <prepares to karate kick droid>
Afm, I had my day 2 bloods repeated the other day and we have our planning appt with the nurse on the 18th. I'm hoping they might send us home with the drugs there an then but realistically it's probably going to be more like next cycle.
I have a strange 'back to school' feeling at tr moment. I've spent the summer eating and drinking too much, so methinks now is the time to crack on with better diet and exercise.
<continues to sit on sofa>
Half-sister by Oasis Dream, so she's a full-sister to Morpheus. Kind, their dam, has a Galileo filly foal this year and is back in foal to him again. There is no yearling this year though.
Sorry, that probably sounds like gobbledygook to the rest of you!
<sticks head in, admires rasps follies, tips some random fish round, pokes a few kidneys>
Sorry I am ABESH (Absent). Life gets in the way of tinternet, except when
working moping from home, because it is a Year Since The Bad Scan and a Month Since the Chem Diffment's Exit. Generally I try to spend less time on MN, it is good for my sanity. I filled it with sunny beers, lots of work and exercise finally again. Thinking of you all, though!
Fizz re: comfort, I had 10/11 (big) follicles growing in my left ovary, that was bloody uncomfortable, right was taking it easier, they got 15 eggs out. And I couldn't run, because they seemed to rattle. It only went down after the chem diffment's exit.
<Doffs flat cap at Frankel's superior hoss knowledge>
<scratches chin appreciatively>
-- <calls whippet to heel> --
Interesting stuff - can't wait 'till the full siblings are old enough to run, no pressure though ponies, the world will be watching!
Omlette recipes sound yum, thanks guys. I had a savoury version for lunch which was pretty good but now I've really got the Friday feeling and want to chill out and eat bad stuff, not be at work.
Waves to drizz - your sanity trip sounds like just what's required. I prescribe more of the same, take care of yourself.
Bunfight about the begin on softcup fred in conception.
Oh good. I'm in the mood for one.
Yep me too and I think the op is well out of line with her snidy little remarks. 7 months is fuck all , maybe I should remind her that!
Yeah I know seven months fuck all, but do I really deserve you all getting in the mood for clobbering me on here? Because if so Jesus this really is a scary forum. During my seven months I've been having lots of hospital tests for various things wrong with my pelvic region so it hasn't been a 'normal' seven months, but thanks for making me feel so welcome.
(I clicked on this thread because I was intrigued by the Harry Potter name by the way. Didn't expect to see this. Well goodbye now.)
No need! Sorry for oafishly blundering in here. Sorted now
If you have the misfortune to still be hanging around these parts in 6 months then come and do your best with the BESHtionnaire and join us bunch on long term ttcing cynics. But I have a feeling you will be off long before then, with or without the aid of softcups.
What is everyone up to this weekend?
<attempts to change subject>
Sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep. And possibly shooting things with a big gun. And maybe some work.
Tonight - tuna salad - yeh baby yeh
Tomorrow - buying some argan oil for my
straw hair and telling my husband I got it from the pound shop.
Sunday - sitting on the sofa with some gin and watching the Burghley highlights.
My life is dull.
Clydes are you an ESH that has recently nc'd?
Seeing the woo food lady tomorrow, doing a spot of shopping and some cleaning. Sunday taking my mutt to a competition.
Bugs, I am an original ESH combining skiing & riding.
You've changed names again?!! Not like keeping me on my toes. Haven't you got a big house move coming up soon?
Yes, but I always choose a mountain range and a nag. Big move is in Feb. Only thing I've sorted out so far is removals and temporary accommodation. Head FIRMLY in sand wrt rest. List will be approximately 5000 things long. So I should probably add "rip a load of shite out of the garden" to this weekend.
Phew, conflict averted, good work BESH.
Clyde being stoopid here but what does n'cd mean? Have you a baybee? I have had a couple of gins by now, is my excuse! Where's your big move to? Q's, Q's!
What sort of mutt show bugs? Sounds exciting!
Yay for the weekend! I will be mostly pottering; probably some minor house job(s) from the not too arduous list, some time putting the world to rights with the trusty steed. Maybe catch a bit of strictly, keep up with Burghley, do a bit of reading.
I have had wine. This is good.
<scuttles in, looks up meer cat stylee, ducks again while still not fully sure of What Went On conflict-wise>
Loving the horsey talk though I don't understand any of it. Grew up in a
hell hole large city, but I love horses. Such beautiful, intelligent creatures.
Currently watching a monkey programme where a one-armed monkey has an erection. Narration states' 'He is clearly responding to the attention. I've never seen him so happy.' That's my Friday night.
Will catch up with Fred later. Can't see much I'm so tired at the mo. Hope you're all BESHing along well though.
Hello schlaaaags! Nice to see you again. Any room for a rebesher?
for those who have joined in the last year, i have one baybee what i laid nearly a year and a half ago. I won him with the help of the BESH keeping me sane after two missed miscarriages. I have summat up with my blood that makes my womble evict baybees. Anti phospholipid syndrome apparently so if i get up the duff again i will have to stab myself with heparin every day for nine months
since my besh stint i have got married and quit teaching. I have nine pills left in my packet and a honeymoon in a months time. I have promised not to use phone apps or ovulation testing till the new year.
i love pissing on sticks and also telling people that it is jizz that gets you pregnant not baybee dust or whatever. I may find a beshtionnaire but i have no laptop at the moment. I hate camping, fancy Jonathan Rhys meyers off the tudors and, embarrassingly, sully off dr Quinn.
Kat would you like me to send you your CBFM back? I think it's under my bed!
Ooh yes please! I promised no piss sticks till the new year, by then the three months you are supposed to wait before starting shag dictator will be up.
No problem. PM me your address and I'll send it back next week. I may even have some piss sticks left over!
Oh BESH, I had a migraine last night, it was horrible and now I feel like utter shite. I should just go back to bed but I'm just not one of those people that can rest when I don't feel well I also weighed myself yesterday morning and have lost 2lbs in two weeks which panicked me because I really don't want to be losing weight. I'm guessing it may be a bit of muscle though too having had a week off exercise. I don't feel hungry though because of the amount of water I'm drinking. I'm going to eat a meal every 4 hrs today and see how I get on.
Bugs - I will try your method tomorrow. I hadn't thought of doing it that way. I am loving it though. Three eggs yesterday might have been a bit much because I put blueberries and blackberries on it. Took a while to eat
Fizzy - the growing follies are giving me some interesting aches and pains and I'm super bloated. It feels uncomfortable more than anything so I'm generally just feeling a bit slower and under the weather than normal.
Cherry your weekend sounds just like I would like mine to be. MATV and I are just going to mope around the house today, eat food and tomorrow we will be back at the clinic and I'm hoping he will take me for a carvery somewhere on the way home!
Bear that is the most bizarre sounding TV programme I've ever heard of. Your comment did make me laugh though
Euro what will you be shooting? Wish I could get in to shooting but I have to be honest, I'm terrified of guns. MATV is a pretty good shot though.
Frank I am impressed with your horsey knowledge although yes, your earlier post meant nothing to me!
Right, I'm going to have a bath, vitimins & minerals and baby aspirin have been taken, injections have been injected. No fostimon for me tomorrow, just cererotide. That one stings My poor belly is running out of space for jabbings!
Sorry about the migraine rasp. I found the cetrotide stingy too.
I've decided to pass on shooting and leave KFZK to it this time. I'm tired and have a slightly dodgy stomach. I feel really out of sorts at the moment and from time to time I am getting a sharp womble pain. I'm hoping it is just my womb shrinking back at the end of my period and crunching the bit where he was pushing the catheter during transfer, and that I am not actually a bit broken or fighting an infection or something. Hmmm.
Welcome back kat. I hope your stay will be brief this time and you will win a honeymoon baybee so we can all throw things at you.
Morning hags. Kat as far.as.I'm concerned returning besh don't need to do the beshtionairre and you've popped back from time to time. I've just realised I was here when you got your first win, I can remember the exact words of your post actually. This.makes me and at the same time.
rasp I had 3 eggs today too and it was waaaay too much. I'm such a.pig. I ate it all.though and feel rather full now.
Sorry about the feeling crappy, euro and rasp. I have only started to have migraines in the last 6 months or so, and fortunately not many, but I sympathise with how debilitating they can be.
Returning BESH are fine with me <rubs up against kat for luck>
This weekend I will be mostly having coffee with my sister who is visiting, and - if the weather holds - hopefully getting out on a nice crisp autumny walk.
<waves to Kat > welcome back!
Sorry about your migraine Rasp tres rubbish and that you're feeling a bit dodge too euro. Resting up sounds like a good plan.
Autumny walk sounds lovely Fizz. My perfect weekend is going well so far, I've done some yoga, chatted to my gran, pottered in the garden, now waiting for the filler to dry on my skirting boards to slap some gloss on them. There are encouraging signs coming from the garden as ROCH is clearing out the garage
with no nagging shock horror so all good.
Sis starts chemo next week, how she responds to the drugs will basically determine prognosis so everything crossed. Feeling quite philosophical about life and trying to make the best of everything.
I have no isshoos with returning BESH either, more the merrier, so welcome back Kat!
I still feel ick. It's so lovely outside and all I can do is look at the window and go back to sleep.
bugs three eggs is quite a mountain isn't it. I was on a protein mission yesterday though the clinic said eat a high protein diet but I'm not really sure what thy would consider 'high' protein. We have meat with every meal and I eat that total Greek yoghurt stuff which is pretty good protein wise, as are eggs. I dunno. I'm trying but I keep finding things to stress about!
Really hope you aren't broken Euro! It's bound to be a bit sore in there after faffing around you had. Your poor foof maybe check with the clinic?
Cherry - good luck to your sister next week. Scary times and we are all here for hand holds.
Enjoy coffee and walking Fizz. I'm missing coffee and I've only been off it two days! I had been having a cup in the morning with my jab but had a panick the other day that it would ruin the cycle if I did so I've ditched that now to.
I've just seen the woo food lady and am £138 lighter
Got to continue being glue free and cut dairy out too and take some probiotics & enzymes for a month. I feel slightly shocked how much it ended up costing me.
cherry I hope everything goes will for your sis. Chemo is tough, but it's worth it. My mum had a terrible time when she was on it (no appetite, shaking, etc). Near the end of the treatment one of the nurses twigged that this was actually a reaction to the anti-nausea drugs they had given her rather than the chemo. She was expecting to feel so rubbish on the chemo that she hadn't thought it could be anything else. It became a lot easier when they swapped the anti-nausea drug for something else.
Thanks for your support ladies. I'm hoping that I have two minor things coinciding (virus or something making me feel a bit under the weather and giving me a gippy stomach plus the womb healing from the cocked up transfer) rather than the two being linked by an infection or something. I considered calling the clinic this morning, but then I expect I would have spent most of the weekend at the clinic or in in A&E and got no rest. So I'll take it easy over the weekend and see how I'm doing later.
Ouch bugs that's a lot! What did the £138 go on? But cutting out glue is probably good for you.
Blimey, £138? What did you get for that? I really need a career change! I'm in the wrong business Would agree with the cutting out gluten and dairy though. I'm intolerant to both, I can eat them but only small amounts. My yoghurt and berries is about the most I can cope with in a day.
God i'm bored. Hate being ill
The consultation was £48 and the pills were the rest. Please don't tell GP!! He'll flip!
I had a similar thing when I saw the nutritionist and probably spent about the same amount. I felt a bit sicky after the one lot which she recommended for thrush. I asked the Dr about it at an infertility appointment and he said 'let me guess, she told you had something or other bacteria in your gut'. I said yes, that was exactly what she said. He just went 'hmm, they all say that, stop taking them and don't see her again'! So I didn't but the foody principles were good. If you're eating a good healthy diet you could supplement it with a multivitamin but generally shouldn't need anything. I don't think I've had thrush since going paleo, not even when I've had antibiotics which is a real revelation.
I'm going to try it for one month and see how I feel. To be fair what she described is exactly the symptoms I've been having after dairy.
I was going to write "Morning Hags" and realised moring was a while ago. We are having a very quiet weekend, but I've been for a swim and done a yoga-for-runners routine I found online. I upped my exercixe from none til some this week (to get back to pre-IVF fitness) and I ache all over now. And I am incredibly stiff.
Welcome back kat! If you are an insta-honeymoon-differ we'll yell at you and be jealous, but otherwise very welcome back! You're the first explained repeat-mc-er I've "met".
Sorry about the migraine rasp. I think you've done very well on all the drucks so far. The DRing ones gave me terrible headaches (as well as made me suicidal). Very exciting EC could be as soon as Tuesday. Keeping everything crossed.
Sorry you're very fysically meh, euro and a bit of time to yourself sounds good. Thinking of you.
OMG bugs. Do describe the dairy intolerance symptoms, that were worth such an amount. I really hope it makes a good difference. I am a born sceptic=scientist, so I'd struggle with the woo...
And cherry I really hope the chemo makes a big difference for your sister and gets her a better prognosis, as well as not make her feel too bad. The weekend sounds lovely.
And <stamps feet> it is not time for autumny walks yet fizz. Buries head firmly in the sand re: the season. Where has summer gone?
Basically my farts could kill an elephant and my stomach aches & bloats. She mentioned candida overgrowth.
That sounds like SB (the stench part). I fart pretty much all through the WWs, but I reckon it's progesterone linked... Good, saved a first 48 quid. Ta!
That was the word, candida! The stuff she gave me for candida made me pukey. For what it's worth, I think they speak sense and mean well, I just think they are too quick to push supplements before letting you sort out diet first. If I'd have had 8 weeks to sort my diet id have been quite confident to go back and say no to the supplements, I think that's why they like to see you every two/three weeks to start with. Dairy is a definite thing to cut out though, I get thrush if I have to much dairy or too much coffee.
Anyone watching x-factor?? He brought a photo of his cat to the audition <weirdo>
No, not watched this evening, been snoozing. Just popped in to say my tits have gone massive, firm and rather pert [shocked]
I'm suddenly looking forward to the stabbing
Big tits for everyone.
I just realised I lost you all
Morning Hogwarts. I'm up at this disgustinly early hour to drive 50 miles to take my dog to a competition. I'm officially a loser.
Morning all! Burghley yesterday was fab - check out the BBC today for highlights of the cross-country and live showjumping...
I do wish they'd show the cross-country live again . Glad you had a good day though Draf
Out of clinic. Trigger shot 930 pm tonight, EC 830 am tues morning, ET 930 am on Sunday 15th. Shitting it.
Eeeeek rasp what a big week coming up. Which bit is making you most afraid? Or is it the enormity of everything?
I've had a very up and down weekend. Nice to see some people I haven't seen for a long time. But got ridiculously upset because each of them separately said things like "oh your house is so quiet" and all I could think was, yeah, empty and barren more like. Today I feel further away from having a baby than I did 6 months ago, an I thought I was rock bottom then. And to top it off, I've quit Facebook because of too many baby related posts - and then I glance at GFBW's iPad to see yet another newborn. Gah!
Thanks everyone for your awesome BESHness you guys are amazing.
Rasp wow, it's all happening for you... Exciting stuff, thems tripple egg omlettes have done the trick. Give us a buzzwam shimmy.
Glad you had a good time at Burghley draf. I hope it isn't another antipodean win but bloody hell they're on fire just now.
Fizzy that's rough, sorry you're feeling down. Proffers sturgeon of solidarity.
Ah, the whole thing is just a bit scary. Ill be glad when it's all done this time next week.
In other news, we have decided to get a staffy dog. Haven't broken it to the landlords yet but if they turn their nose up I'm going to cry, stamp my feet and throw the guilt right at them
Sorry for shitness fizz. I always seem to find darker depths just when I think I've hit the bottom of the pit. Then, something happens to lighten the mood and I start to feel a bit better. It's a bit of a roller coaster this fertility journey though. Your friend making that comment may very well have been jealous of the peacefulness.
Cherry did you try the berry/banana omlette?
Not yet Rasp I've had a couple of savoury ones for lunch but it hasn't yet fitted into my breakfast plans to try. We have a ton of yummy free range eggs ATM though so I'm thinking I should.
I'm not meant to eat nanas on my funny hormone diet though so I'm wondering what I could replace that with
ignoring the fact I broke my glue freeness and ate a slice of toast with bacon and had a capuccino this morning (should also avoid caffeine, pork, gluten, wheat etc. etc. but OMG it was divine!!
A dog is always a good idea. I'd love one, ROCH is being slowly persuaded! Are you feeling better now?
Paleo homlette fans - try almond flour + egg/banana with blueberries
and a dollop of mascarpone if you dare . Pure Delish.
10 mins to BBC coverage. <trots on spot>
Someone asked - big move = mainland EU to remote scottish island. I am currently worrying about how to get a horse there.
Is it due to change of job pone?
Clyde what remote island? I lived on one up there for a few years.
Rasp I've everything crossed for you. Are you planning on working on EC & ET days?
<Horse chat alert> Urgh, I rest my case, a NZ whitewash! I guess this must mean Paget is on for the rolex grand slam and Kentucky next year too. Nice lad but come on the Brits, a bit sparse on results just now.
Omelette sounds good Clyde I was also going to try popping a few oats in there too, not true paleo but one of the few cereals I can have. As for the move, wowzers, brave lady! Tough and idyllic all in one.
Thanks Jeff. Won't be working in either day or the following day either. Both procedures are before 9am but my boss has already said I can take two days for each.
Good plan Rasp. I was ok for EC but found the ET quite overwhelming & was quite emotional afterwards. Just came home & slept!
That's my plan, not going to be too active at anything much over the next few weeks!
Well, at least I like Jock Paget. Although I admire Andrew Nicholson's skill as a horseman, he's a grumpy fucker. And he stole Fox-Pitt's wife!
Good luck rasp. It's so weird that I started stabbing way before you but you get EC/ET well before me! I have scan/bloods on Tuesday so hopefully start stimming on Weds.
I like Staffies, they're often very friendly and there are lots in shelters. Just make sure to train it within an inch of its life - all dogs should be well-behaved, and especially so when they have such powerful jaws. Makes life much happier for the dog, I think.
Jock Paget really has come from nowhere - never jumped a fence till he was 18?
Good luck with triggering ths evening rasp
It's all happened so much faster than I had anticipated Evil, it really has. We love staffies, haven't ever met one that wasn't lovely but you are definitely right about the training.
Thanks Frank! Been watching a bit of burghley today! Get me
God MATV seems so unhappy, he doesn't want to talk, if I try and talk he just sighs and says he's fine or tells me to leave him alone and he's so stressed. This is horrible. I just want things to go back to the way they were.
I'm in the same state as MATV. I just can't bounce back from this one. And I can't remember feeling this down ever when I wasn't on artificial hormones. I am just completely mizz. And very grumpy. But mostly just sad.
I want my life back. I was happy before we embarked upon Project Baybee.
Things were happier before project baby. I wish we could wipe out the last few years. Sorry you're feeling mizz too Euro. There are no words, it shouldn't be like this, having a baby should not be like this at all.
Trigger is done, blummin stings!
Well done rasp.
Sorry about the mizz, I wish I could say something to make you feel better, but worry anything I do say will just sound patronising.
Wow rasp it didn't take long, did it?!? Well done you!
Group hug for the mizzness. I just got hit by a wave of "why me" on the way home from the clinic this morning. So completely sympathise.
Project Baybee is just a big heap of shit. It's almost inconceivable (hah) to me that for some people TTC is fun, or exciting. I feel like after over three and a half years of zero chance, we have absolutely no hope at all. And staring down the barrel of IVF #1 doesn't really help either - three cycles at six-month intervals (why, NHS?!) means we are pretty likely to be in exactly this position this time next year too. So really, I'm vaguely thinking about starting the adoption procedure at the beginning of 2015, which is fucking depressing. My friends are really kind and supportive, but they're all hopeful about IVF for us, whereas I can't help but feel it's an exercise in futility. All that is tempered by occasional ten-minute certainty that I'm going to be diffed with twins before Christmas, which only makes the whole thing more infuriating/depressing, and makes me feel that I am barking mad as well as barren.
Is it "just" the fertility stuff weighing on MATV, rasp? Can he change something about his work, if that's also a problem?
It's just fertility stuff Evil, we did talk a bit after I sat on the bed and sobbed, he said its just the thought of it being the culmination of the last four years, so much pressure for something that should be so easy. He's pretty indifferent about having kids. He's always said it would be nice if they came along but he won't be devestated if they don't as we have a good life and he's happy with that. He's getting on with all this for me. All that said though, he hates sitting in the clinics, the small talk, watching me go through all this. We'll both be glad when it's all done this time next week.
I spoke to my big boss today about ivf and found myself welling up. This hasn't happened before so I clearly need to get some tears out about it all. Hmmm I don't really 'do' crying very well. I tend to just get angry.
How are you today rasp?
Arm rubs and gin all round. Chin up BESH. Sorry to hear everyone is so low. Rough times.
bugs well done on having 'the chat'. Must be a weight off and the emotion should buy you extra sympathy so it definitely wasn't wasted! Maybe you should look for a release if you can though, I hear you, I'm not a natural cryer but sometimes it can really help.
Just now I'm fine unless anyone asks me if I'm fine... You know the score!
I really don't know if and how to have the IVF chat with my boss/HR. They know the details of my illness
from when I fell apart earlier this year and what I'm going through ergo I presume they've put two and two and also suspect that pregnancy is an impossibility too. So I'm reaaally not sure how to explain logistics without going into TMI detail of donor IVF etc that I really don't want to go into. As the IVF is fairly unintensive as a recipient then maybe I can get away without. But then with any luck there'll still be an immaculate conception to explain away. What do you reckon BESH?
personally i think the more your boss knows the better as long as a) you trust them and b) they're not a dick.
Ha! Your comment made me laff bugs. I might put that in my recruitment questions: "Are you a dick?" <beady eyed head tilt>
cherry it's a tricky one. Maybe have a chat with your clinic and see what they say about sick leave etc. I think I will tell my big boss but I'm not sure, as my immediate boss has just left and I don't want them to rule myself out of the running...
I work in an industry where women are still discriminated against, so I'm not telling any bosses anything. I don't want my career held back for a pregnancy that might never happen.
It sucks that there is still so much prejudice against women because they carry the babies. It has such an impact in your career it's scary.
Things have been a bit better this evening, primarily because MATV has been out all evening so hasn't been here being all quiet and stroppy.
Right BESH, bed is calling seeing as how I have to be up at 5am to leave for the clinic. MATV is convinced it will be gridlocked but I'm really not sure. Motorways are a constant source of swearing and stress to him so you can imagine what he's been like with all the trips to the clinic!
Good luck for tomorrow, rasp!
Really, really best of luck Rasp. Sorry it's been so tough with MATV the last few days.
Sorry for the general mizzle surrounding the BESH too. I managed to swallow my tears on Sunday and luckily Ann too busy to really think too much in the week. But I know I have Sadness. Sigh. Trying to keep my chins up though.
So, what about if your employer is a Carholic institution then? Any thoughts? Would you tell? Although I think I have to as I have to present my HSG letter to them as evidence of my appointment.
Good luck today Rasp, I'll be thinking of you & MATV. Hopefully you are well on your way to the clinic now.
I'm here too and thinking of you rasp. Hope you get lots of funky drugs.
Good luck rasp, hope all goes well.
Bear, I have no idea what you mean by carholic. Are you a mechanic? <shrug>
Mizzness abounds here too - I nearly cried when my parents went home yesterday, which is a bit much. It's been really nice seeing them, and my house is in much better nick now, with new paint everywhere ready for new floors in October...
Have arrived, MATV doing his bit although he's been gone a while which is making me nervous. Unless he's making the most of the pornos. The suppository is making me feel the need to poop too! 17 minutes to go......
I have Burghley gossip as a distraction for the horsey ESH.:
A lady I work with fence judges every year at Burghley and this year she did Cottesmore Leap. She had to stop Jock Paget on his second horse as it was bleeding from the mouth and she said e ave her a load of attitude about it. Apparently he ignored the judge's red flag at the previous fence as he "thought it was a joke" (one of his other horses had been stopped at the same point on the course earlier in the day) and ignored her red flag and jumped her fence before stopping. She gave him a bollocking as she said he had no way of knowing she didn't have a fallen horse and/or rider on the other side of the jump and he would have landed on them.
He will probably get fined by the FEI for ignoring the flags, and it also turns out that his horse regularly bites his own tongue. If he'd told the ground jury before the start of the event they would never have stopped him as they would have had on record that the horse was known for it.
Finally she said he got really arsey about where she was restarting him from on the course, he thought she wanted him to jump her fence again but she told him to start from a tree on the other side . In the end he got held up because there was a fallen rider at the next fence and she had to move his start place 30 metres or so. She reckons he won Burghley because of her as he ended up only 1 second over the allotted time when, if he'd started from his original point he would have been more like 4 or 5 seconds over
I saw jock and the interview he did after about the bitten tongue, he seemed really chilled about it on camera. I love behind the scenes goss
Interesting, Frank. However, did you see the footage of him being stopped? The fence judge was not very obvious in her flag-waving at all, and then she practically stuck the flag under the horse's hooves before he took off. The commentators mentioned that she wasn't very clear too.
Having said that, there's no excuse for ignoring the flags at the previous fence! No excuse for being rude either - maybe he's been taking lessons from
Mr Grumpy Andrew Nicholson?!
I know draf, but everyone expected him to stop at the previous fence so they only had about 10 seconds notice to get someone on the course with a flag in a prominent position, it just wasn't possible!
Oooh I don't hold with Mr. Paget, not sure what it is about him but he rubs me right up the wrong way. Reckon he's got a touch of the Rupert Campbell-Black's about him when it comes to "performance encouragement".
Good luck rasp!
Rasp am delurking to wish you luck, got my FX for you both
Sorry for all the besh misery. However am not happy with use of the word mizzle to describe it as I luffs that word
Loving the burghley goss
An home, I've eaten and not feeling to bad. Although my plans for a peaceful people free afternoon has been brought to a halt by MATV answering the phone to my mum and telling her I look pale and probably shouldn't be left alone so now she's rushing home to be with me I love my mum but I don't need someone to watch me sleep :/
Ps 17 eggs. However, I have fluid in my uterus so have to go back Thursday to see if its gone. If it hasn't they will drain it so they can go ahead with ET on Sunday. If there's anything there on Sunday they may freeze the eggs
Wow! 17 eggies? How did you not rattle when you walked?
Hope the fluid issue resolves, and make sure you have an easy few days to recover.
17 eggs is brilliant Rasp
Hope the fluid disappears naturally. Will they call you tomorrow to tell you about fertilisation etc?
Yep, calling tomorrow between 8-9 am. Got me front bum tablets to get going on tomorrow!
Well done rasp - good haul! Hope the fluid goes before the weekend.
My scan went okay (aside from teary moment in the car beforehand) - lining is 2.2mm so looking hopeful. Will get a call tomorrow to say if bloods were okay too and if I can start stimming. My right ovary has lots of pre-follicles, so they may start me on a lower dose than originally planned, we shall see...
Fingers crossed Evil. Stimming seems to come round quite quickly!
Wow Rasp great effort, well done. Hope you get well rested and the fluid is nothing to worry about.
Draff exciting news for you too. Nice work. Humph, I want some drucks, where IS my next apt letter to see the blimmin co-ordinator... feeling very tetchy about it right now.
Also I should have worn some socks this morning and a top with sleeves. Who let the autumn in?
Luffing the Burghley goss, cheers Frankel!
Wow Rasp great effort, well done. Hope you get well rested and the fluid is nothing to worry about.
Draff exciting news for you too. Nice work. Humph, I want some drucks, where IS my next apt letter to see the blimmin co-ordinator... feeling very tetchy about it right now.
Also I should have worn some socks this morning and a top with sleeves. Who let the autumn in?
Luffing the Burghley goss, cheers Frankel!
Wow Rasp great effort, well done. Hope you get well rested and the fluid is nothing to worry about.
Draff exciting news for you too. Nice work. Humph, I want some drucks, where IS my next apt letter to see the blimmin co-ordinator... feeling very tetchy about it right now.
Also I should have worn some socks this morning and a top with sleeves. Who let the autumn in?
Luffing the Burghley goss, cheers Frankel!
Oooh, nice malfunction there mumsnet!
17 eggs is an excellent result, have everything crossed for you for Sunday, hopefully everything will be good to go then.
I really hope so, it's very nerve wracking all this waiting. Been having palpitations this afternoon just thinking about it!
I'm back! Everything seems to be working fine on Chrome - it's IE that's the problem. MN has been completely bobbins today cherry. How is your sister doing?
17 eggs is brilliant, rasp. But I agree the waiting really is nerve-wracking. You wait for the fertilisation call. Then you wait to hear if they have divided. And then if they make the next day. And then presumably if they get to blast. And then you have the 1ww to test. Gah.
draf that is all sounding encouraging. You'll be at EC before you know it.
Super news on the eggs rasp. Hope the womble liquid resolves itself.
I have been bad and eaten a party tea of some gluten, loads of dairy and general sweets and other crap. I will feel cack tomorrow.
Great stuff on the 17 eggs Rasp. Hoping the next bit goes smoothly for you.
Well done Draf too - all sounds good to me. Hope it all happens just as you want it to as well.
Draf- I meant Catholic! Sorry Anyway, perhaps the convo has passed now.
How's things with everyone else? I've had a beast of a day and now I find myself watching 'The Midwives' . Why do I do it to myself? <slaps self with the sole of stupidity>
Oh bugs I hear you. For the first time in months I've been really struggling and have fallen off the wagon more in the last week than in the last 6 months. Oooops!
Bear the Catholic thing is a tricky one. I'm a bit gob smacked you have to share your apointment letter with your boss TBH. Don't they trust you? I've always been told that you don't have to give any detail on sickness to your employer if you don't want to. It's very personal.
I have to admit I watched the midwives too.
Glutton Guppie for punishment!
This is going to be a bloody long morning!
Rasp I'm there with you in spirit. I thought of you as soon as I woke up this morning. Hope the call comes soon.
Thanks Bugs! Had a terrible night, panicky and couldn't sleep, stressing about ridiculous things and stuff that hasn't happened. MATV has just breezed out of the house. Well, in appearance anyway, I know he's stressed by it all :/ urgh, why haven't they ring yet!
Rung yet even.
Oh, and I did the first fanny tablet this morning too! <<proud>>
Thinking of you Rasp and have everything crossed.
Well done on the fanny tablet.
Was just wondering how you were doing Rasp. Aren't the fanny bullets a delight?? Hope they call soon.
Bugs I've ^ finally^ posted that book to you - sorry its taken me so long!!
They haven't called !!!!!!!!! They said it would be between 8-9 but the paperwork says they will ring before 11 but if they don't that I can ring. Driving myself potty.
Oh id totally forgotten about that jeffers - thanks
Anything to do with medical matters is always late. Hold out until eleven, then ring them. It won't affect the goings-on in the petri dishes (just your peace of mind!), so try not to worry
I'm also housebound waiting for a phone call - place your bets now as to whether I:
(a) have to start stimming tonight at planned dose
(b) have to start stimming tonight at lower than planned dose
(c) have to keep on downregging for a bit longer before they let me start stimming
I cracked and rang them. It's good news - they injected 11 and 8 have fertilized. Apparently they 'did really well over night', the embryologist was lovely. They may want to bring ET forward to Friday so I have to ring on Friday morning at 9.30 to check but I need to question that tomorrow as obviously I have this fluid build up which the embryologist wouldn't have known about. They wont get them out again now until Friday morning.
fingers crossed for your phone call Evil. What time did they say they would ring?
Hurrah! Eight is pretty good
They said they'd call "tomorrow", so I'm just hanging around near the phone all day! The blood results should be ready this morning, so if I'm lucky they'll ring before 11am. I'm not going to start getting anxious until 3pm though
I'm going to have a shower, tidy the house and eat some cake. Relief has taken hold, although for some reason as the embryologist was talking I started crying and have just sobbed like a maniac for the last 15 minutes! Crazy. I know there is still a very long way to go but... it's a good start anyway.
x-posts, maybe set 3 pm as a deadline, if they haven't called ring them and see what they say?
Super news Rasp I might not be around much over the weekend as I'm away but I'll try to check in at some point.
I think the IE issue might be fixed...
rasp that's a great fertilisation rate - 75% is what they aim for. I'm not surprised you are crying - this is all incredibly stressful, you are pumped full of hormones and had surgery yesterday! Be kind to yourself. x
Yeah, rasp, that's my plan. <twiddles thumbs>
Is IE ever a choice?! Firefox, Chrome, and Opera are all preferable, I reckon.
Well done Rasp, that's great news.
Hope you get the call soon Euro, nothing worse than the waiting.
Congrats to Rasps eggs
Sending hurrying up telepathic waves for Euro's clinic to call soon
Isn't it draf awaiting the clinic call?? Confused !!!!
Great news rasp
Hope they call soon draf
Yeah, I'm waiting. Dunno if euro is too? Still no call, grrrr.
IE is the only choice I get at work rasp. We can't upload any software of our choice.
No calls expected for me. We're taking some time off from all the AC shyte.
Sorry that's my fault! Reading too fast and posting with fat fingers
Hope you get the call soon Draf
Hurrah, clininc finally called. Come and collect your prizes, those of you who went for option (b) start stimming tonight at lower than originally planned dose. Next appt Wednesday next week.
Fab news Draff. This is all getting very exciting.
Great news Draf and hurrah for lower dosage!
Is it hurrah, Frank? I have no idea about these things. I've spent all day feeling very wobbly and vulnerable so have been hiding inside watching non-threatening girly films and Pride and Prejudice. <pathetic>
Brilliant news Evil, the next step underway.
I just slept on the sofa for two hrs. Feel all shaky and can't wake up properly but so much better for it after two nights of crap sleep.
Rasp how long was your wait for IVF? Do you feel 'mentally' better now its here? I had a cry earlier when I wrote something on a Fred in miscarriage.
Have a nice It cures all ills.
I'd say so Draf, lower dose means less chance of nasty side effects and I tried to look at lower doses as me not needing quite so much assistance IYSWIM.
Sleep is good Rasp, get lots of it.
We were referred in January Bugs but had all the lost paperwork saga in the middle. So it will be 9 months since referral on Sunday. I'm not sure I feel better that it's here, it's almost quite scary because up until now it's been 'well, IVF might work, we might get a baby' but now it's actually here and we are actually going to find out its a bit unsettling.
Good news Draf. Stimming seems more 'real' than down regging I think. I agree with the other BESH that lower dose is less likely to give you side effects. They also wouldn't start you on a low dose if they didn't think it would work. Good luck with it all.
Good points, Frank and Jeff, thanks both And yes stimming seems more real - it's turning it on rather than off so seems like much more of a forward step <wibble>
That seems completely understandable, rasp, I feel much the same.
Just spoken to another differ through IVF. Two 5 day blastos onboard.
This can & does work. It does.
It does work Bugs - look at Jeff! It's scary though. My current panics are around the fluid. My right ovary is also hurting so I'm worried there's fluid in there too.
First stimming stab done - actually a bit of an anticlimax. Still, it'll take a few days for the side effects to kick in and then I'll know about it. Looking forward to tomorrow's downregging half-dose, hurrah!
rip off supplements have arrived and I've taken some but am now feeling really anxious that they.might upset my tummy. Sinks are you lurking? Can I ask you about them?
Wow, all action around here on the baybee making projects, good stuff BESH. Rasp that sounds fab progress. Well done draf.
Do you feel any better for a cry bugs?
euro thanks for asking about my sis. She starts chemo tomorrow, won't really know much more until we see how she responds to the drucks.
Gosh, there's so much happening for everyone.
Well done, Rasp. That's great news about the eggs being fertilised. Yes, it really could happen!
I know very little about IVF Draf, but I'm glad it seems to be going well and that they rang in the end.
Hope you're ok too Euro.
Cherry- best of luck for your sis tomorrow.
I know Cherry- it's odd isn't it about the appointment letter? I'm not quite sure what to do about it, but I'll think if something. Even if I ask them to send another letter it may now be too late as I have to book the time off. It's all a bit of a bugger really, but I'm sure I'll work it out.
Hi to everyone else. <waves>
Hi Bugs. I am lurking. You know me well... Ask away about the
ridiculously expensive supplements, but don't know how useful I'll be. I had dried herbs I had to pour boiling water over and drink the resultant pond scum, dish water, devil's own juice concoction. I felt pretty sick doing it, but don't remember any ill effects. I stopped as I just couldn't justify the cost.
But, I think I did make me feel better to be doing something, iyswim. Dunno. Glad I tried it, wouldn't bloody do it again!
As every rasp, my appendages are all crossed for you and the clever little egglets. And good luck with the stimming draf
Fish slaps and covert shoulder squeezes to all the BESH. And a vat of rhubarb gin.
I meant to ask, how is the woo CD going Bugs?
Are you going to the clinic again today Rasp, to get the fluid checked? If so good luck.
Frank its really good but I've only had chance to listen to it twice. We go away tomorrow so its coming with me and I intend to listen to it daily.
The cry just made me realise that I have some inner shiz I need to get out....that I'm fighting to keep in.
When I get chance later I'll post the names of the pills.
Yep, back to clinic today, everything crossed the fluid has gone. I'm kind of hoping that if it has that they will transfer tomorrow if any of the embies have kept growing. Are they technically called embryos now or are they something different? I know a blast would be better on Sunday though so just have to sit tight.
I shall check in proper later
Technically Rasp it's a zygote until 4 days after fertilisation, then becomes a blastocyst. I think technically they call it an embryo from fertilisation until 8 weeks, just to confuse things!
Bugs, glad you are finding it useful. One upshot I found from listening to it at night was that I felt like I slept better. Not sure if the wo are actually connected, but it felt like it was doing something!
Oh and Happy Birthday
Everything crossed for disappearing liquid, rasp and transfer of excellent embie(s) tomorrow.
Draf I didn't get any side effects from stimming until a week or so in, when my left ovary became enormous and heavy. Also I concur with the other hags that lower stims are a good sign!
I hope the
rip off drucks help and don't give you unhappy bowels, bugs. I just ate a pain au raisin as my post-dildocamming on a thursday treat...
How are you bear? I've not been on fred much, so am out of touch!
AFM I might be triggering tonight (or tomorrow) and pick up our frostie uno on Wed/Thursday next week.
PS Frank I still can't believe you're actually diffed. Makes me smile to think about it.
And embryo terminology:
(In other words as soon as it starts dividing it is no longer a zygote, but a 2-cell or 4-cell embryo; perfect development gives you an 8-cell embryo when ET is on day 3, or a blastocyst on day 5).
Bugs, it is good to get back the inner shiz out sometimes. It is surprising how some things stay with you even when you think you have dealt with them. I don't do woo as a rule but i do like relaxation cds, they have helped me a lot at various times
You and me both Drizz I might actually start to believe it when he/she arrives!
On the terminology front I was going by memory from my horsey fertility studies
Pills are called:
Bio 6 plus
I'm only taking one lot to start with incase they turbo charge my bowels!
What pretty names! I'm sure they won't upset you, I am very sensitive!
Fecking hell, another person asking for 'advice on whey protein' on my facebook, clearly has no intention of taking the advice and has already bought some. Grrrrr.
Anyway, fluid has gone - hurray! All set for transfer either tomorrow or Sunday, that's if any of the lil' dudes have been developing as they should......
My most random post ever I think
Hurrah for no fluid Rasp Keeping everything crossed that the embies keep dividing and doing their thing.
Super news Rasp get some sleep now dear. ET could be an emotional day.
Brilliant news Rasp. Go RaspEmbies!!
Excellent news, rasp! Hope the raspemberryos grow well over the next few days
MATV doesn't seem to give a shit that transfer might be tomorrow, he's just told me he'll need to be off work so won't be able to come if it is. I'm so fucked off.
Need to be in work that should have said.
He's being a dick. Work will give him the time as medical, and he should be there to support you (assuming you want him there). Is he just working on the assumption that it won't be tomorrow? HOTB is very laid-back and take-it-as-it-comes, whereas I worry about all possibilities. Is he just sticking his head in the sand? I dunno about him, but when I'm already stressed any deviation from a plan (even an estimated one) really upsets me. It all still boils down to him being a dick, though.
He is being an argumentative dick. We've had words, he said he'll speak to his boss and if he has to miss work so be it, like its my fault. He's in one of those moods though I can tell. I swear men get PMT.
FFS Rasp - poor you. You need support & encouragement at the moment. Not a bloody argument. Hope he pulls himself together.
Words have been had and he's said he'll be with me. Could've done without that little episode though. I am very good at crying on demand. I am also ridiculously bloated and farty too.
Oh Rasp, sorry MATV has been behaving like an arse.
Have you seen - next week's Webchat is with the domestic goddess herself - Mary Berry
Rasp so glad the fluid hasn't hung around to interrupt ET. Woohoo. And that MATV is being manipulated into doing the right thing by you. Not so good but sounds like a work in progress.
Shit news here. Sis was too ill to go in for chemo assessment today and is instead being nursed at home. Feel so useless, and sad while I 've been swanning around in the sunshine having an otherwise very lovely day at work.
Sorry about your sister Cherry. I can't imagine how hard this is for you.
Good luck today Rasp. I'm told the worst thing about ET is the feeling you might piss in the Drs face as they're pressing on your bladder
Are you having 1 put back or 2?
Oh cherry I'm so sorry, will they try to start next week or do they just have to play it by ear?
Bugs, we had a brief discussion yesterday about whether we want one or two put back. They've said they would prefer it to be one because a twin pregnancy, for me in particular, would be high risk. I'm not sure why though. They also said the increase in chance of success with two as opposed to one is negliable. So long and short of it is I don't really know. I wish it was a decision they would take out of my hands though because I'm terrified of making the wrong one!
Good luck today rasp may the force of besh power be with you, we are all rooting for you.
Cherry I'm so sorry about your sister. I know it sounds like a stupid thing to say, but don't feel guilty for going about your daily life. I'm sure your sister would tell you off if she knew you were.
Rasp I can't offer any advice on the number of embryos. If they say the increase in the chance of success is minimal perhaps go with one top quality embie. Do you have an underlying health issue that might affect a twin pregnancy? They drummed home how "risky" a twin pregnancy is to me during my treatment, but I have no issues so I think it may be a standard piece of advice. <grasps at straws>
Thanks guys. I have a lung condition which wouldn't be aggravated by if but two babies means more pressure on my lungs than one baby, it will squish them more so I guess that's what they might be worried about
Is ET today, rasp? Fingers crossed the raspemberryos are still growing nicely enough to put it off until Sunday. I feel for you about having to choose! I'm lucky in that the NHS won't let us have two put back, so it's all relatively simple.
Oh, coco, I'm sorry. I can't imagine how hard it must be for you, but you have my sympathies (as does your sister)
So sorry cherry. Handhold cos there is nothing useful I can do.
Good luck for today rasp. And GRR about MATV. Crying on demand can be useful.
Back for more later. Now a quick and mad dash accross town.
Evil I'm NHS too which is why I was surprised when the question came up! Perhaps the Dr didn't realise we were NHS then? I'm hoping ET will be Sunday but ill ring at 930 this morning to find out.
Curious! My PCT are ONE EMBRYO ONLY under any and all circumstances, but maybe yours is more flexible? Bit odd if they're recommending you only put one back anyway though.
Might not have anything to put back yet! 6 minutes til I ring. What can I do to distract myself for 6 minutes?!
Three minutes done! Play "Saturday Night" and do the moves for the last three minutes.
Loving the thought of rasp doing Saturday night next to the phone
All 8 are doing brilliantly! All set for Sunday
Haha, I didn't do Saturday night, I caved in and rang them 3 minutes early
Hurrah and well done. Rasp if they are doing so well and have gone to blastocyst by Sunday, I would opt for one, for the first ET. I have no choice whilst funded, like draf but can live with that. Although we are going to try a natural one along side my frostie not that it has ever worked for us...
I think we will go for one. MATV likes the idea of twins but if we do have frosties I think one would be sensible, I'd be happy with that!
I'm sorry about your sister cherry.
rasp that's great news! I'd really advise one. You are young and whilst having two put back would marginally increase the liklihood of success this round, leaving the second one to freeze would give you another FET round and the chances of success on a single FET round are higher than the increase in the success rates by putting back 2 vs 1 (if that makes sense). And that's without factoring in the risks with muliples. I saw my bestie's prem twins so teeny tiny in nicu and how gruelling the pregnancy was for her and it has put me right off. They talked me into having two put back on my second round, but I was very, very apprehensive about it and much more comfortable with SET.
Thanks Euro, that's what I needed to hear and very similar to what the Doc said. Will chat with MATV tonight/tomorrow but I'm sure it will be one. I hate the thought of having twins but losing them because we got greedy.
Today/tomorrow are really going to drag. Might go to a country show tomorrow
Sounds good rasp. This is the last day of my holidays. My friends' twins are with us. They are lovely but my word they're hard work. It was worse when they were little - you couldn't enjoy a cuddle or feed because the other was screaming for something.
Fab news Rasp, brilliant to have 8 to choose from.