new thread, new posifrickintivity. Welcome to project desperate, where we will try anything when TTC after MC

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katatonic Sun 21-Jul-13 18:01:50

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fedupofrainydays Sun 21-Jul-13 18:43:48

Thanks kata for new thread starting! And you're totally right on your last post on the old thread - we just have to believe this is our month!

nearlyreadytopop Sun 21-Jul-13 19:01:30

thanks for new thread
still lurkingsmile

Floweroct Sun 21-Jul-13 20:36:06

Thanks for starting. Fod congratulations that's really good news hope it is a sticky one for you!

I'm in 2ww will be poas a week on Friday it's going to drag!! Anyone else due to poas then?

SeasideLily Sun 21-Jul-13 21:06:43

Just getting into the 2ww now - 1 day post-ovulation if the opks are any use. Although, again, I felt like I ovulated on the left side, which no longer has a fallopian tube, so probs bloody useless. This is the website I am going to when AF arrives: grin wink

I am determined to start relaxing about this anyway, by hook or by crook. So all I will do from here on is shag at the opportune moments, and perhaps eat pineapple. And go to acupuncture to try and de-stress. And obvs pop my pointless folic acids.

So sorry you ladies are feeling down, I really sympathise. I know it's not too helpful, but all I think is that it's the least fun waiting game in the world. It will happen, one way or another, soon.

Congrats fod, so pleased for you - thank you for shining a ray of hope!

Tomkat79 Sun 21-Jul-13 21:08:23

Evening all, nice to see a fresh start. I've made a pact with myself to stop living in weekly blocks as its ruling my life!

I think I realised I had issues the other night in bed lying there about as enthusiastic as a fish...and i said to DH I suppose we really should dtd!

So here's to relaxing and lots of BFP's :-)

fod27 Sun 21-Jul-13 21:46:42

Thanks ladies we hope so too, crossing everything atm and will be bobbing into the Drs tomorrow to see what we can do to monitor beans progress, will keep you informed 🎉

Marking my place on the new thread grin

Hoping for lots of luck and posifrickintivity for everybody this time around.

I have no idea when AF is due as not had a period yet since my tube removal. However my positive OPK was a week ago so I'm guessing about another week.


Congrats fod thanks

Tomkat - Totally agree with life in block weeks. My mood is totally different too depending on which block I'm in! Driving me mad.

Maybe the relaxed approach is the new way forward for us all...yeah right grin hmm I am going to try though...


Penguinita Sun 21-Jul-13 22:30:43

Good on you kat for starting the new thread! BFP karma coming your way...

Lovely news fod. I've noticed a bit of a trend for people who leave the thread for a while for a "not trying" phase to come back with good news!

Saw the post on the last thread about waiting to start a family being a good thing, because would be rubbish as 19 year old first time parents. Very true, although I think I will also be rubbish as a 36 year old first time parent, it's just that everyone will somehow expect me to know what I'm doing! confused grin

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sun 21-Jul-13 23:13:31

<<pops in>> Congratulations Fod. grin

cosmickitten Mon 22-Jul-13 08:05:36

Morning all not sure if I've totally caught up on old thread so apologies if I miss anyone.

katontic I'm sorry your oh has had such scary news, hopefully further scans will give you less worring answers.

fob congratulations !!!!

Hope everyone had a good weekend. We survived the Christening. In fact it was completely fine and I enjoyed seeing family. It was hot to be done up in Sunday best. So we headed to beach after for swim, bliss.

Sundance2007 Mon 22-Jul-13 09:11:37

Morning all. Thank for the new threaad Kat, loving the title.

Congratulations to Fod, great news, keeping everything crossed for you...though there's no way I would have made it through my wedding without a drink...good luck with that! haha

Trying to keep calm ahead of the first set of 'tests' at the gp tomorrow. Just ruling out any possible infections that might be causing the pain I'm still getting. Don't you just love making conversation with someone when you're having a speculum inserted into you!!

On a slight;y different note - yesterday, my DH and I found a stray dog running around a main road near where we live. She has no tag and isn't microchipped, she absolutely stinks too. The rehoming centre are coming today - the owners have 4 weeks to come forward otherwise she gets rehomed. Poor thing.

ArkadyRose Mon 22-Jul-13 12:59:29

Thought I'd pop in here seeing as we've decided to go for it again. I think I'm physically well recovered from Feb's MC at 12 weeks; I could do without all the talk on the news about Kate though as this would have been my due date. :-(

We were going to leave it until next year to try again, but my GP has ordered a load of blood tests to see if I may be prematurely starting the menopause (I'm only 40) which means time is definitely not on our side so we're going for it now.

I'll admit that as AF is due tomorrow, I may have POAS earlier than Friday but I am really trying to be a good girl and hoping that this friday I'll be able to have a BFP to show. And that if I do, that this one sticks.

katatonic Mon 22-Jul-13 14:49:05

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Misspositivity Mon 22-Jul-13 15:26:31

Can you save me a place. Having a mini break but lurking and I miss you guys.

Congrats fod.

Oh and I got engaged this weekend. < jumps up and down excited >

Hi to everyone.

Sundance I have endo diagnosed when 21 am now 35. Too much to write here but had healthy DD with no probs but have been actively treated to protect fertility. Send me a pm if you want to know anything. Good luck

Away to lurk for a while.

cosmickitten Mon 22-Jul-13 15:38:04

Kat I miss living in London still (4 years since we moved) but live living by the sea.

London does have some nice outside swimming, the Hempstead ponds are lovely . Have u ever been?

cosmickitten Mon 22-Jul-13 15:38:44

Hempstead = hampstead

katatonic Mon 22-Jul-13 15:59:15

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Floweroct Mon 22-Jul-13 17:09:05

Congrats on the engagement missp!!

I'd suggest you all skip to the next post, I'm in a mood and need to write everything down!

So our ttc journey has gone something like this:
Stop taking the pill sept 11 - yay
Have a year of rubbish cycles including one that lasted over 100 days - boo
Finally get dr to refer us - yay
Have scan that reveals likely pcos - boo
Find out that referral will take 6 months to come through -boo
Decide to see dr privately and prescribed clomid to start in 2 weeks in oct 12 -yay
Next day get a letter saying I have abnormal smear so told to stop ttc -boo (lots of tears after finally thinking we might be getting somewhere)
Two weeks later get bfp! Yay
Have a colcosopy to check on cervix looks ok but can't do thorough check cos pregnant
12 week scan find out have had mmc - more tears
12 weeks later af finally appears and ttc starts again with clomid -yay
Have first scan on clomid uterus lining is v thin unlikely to get bfp -boo
Have second clomid round scan shows cyst - boo
Cyst finally disappears after 2 months start clomid again -yay
Third round shows clomid has worked well, but af appears -boo
Fourth round in July shows cyst again -boo
That brings us to today where I have to have another colcosopy and have some abnormal cells so have a biopsy, will get results in 5 weeks. Unlikely to be serious but advised it may be a good idea to leave ttc until results are in. Can I please have some good news and get my baby please sad

Sorry epic post and I know people have been and are going through a lot more than this but things are so difficult sometimes!

Sundance2007 Mon 22-Jul-13 17:32:06

Thanks missP... I just sent a pm (so as not to bore all the lovely ladies on here with my other probs!)

flower, so sorry you've had such a shitty time of it, how frustrating!! If its any tiny bit of help, hopefully the results from the colposcopy won't actually take as long as that, I'm in the colpy clinic every six months after a once bad smear and although they have to say 5 weeks, last time I was allowed to phone up for results after to 2 weeks. I think, as with all other ttc issues in the medical world, the more you shout, the sooner you get noticed, so hang on in there!

ArkadyRose Mon 22-Jul-13 17:58:53

katatonic You're on - I promise not to POAS (or at least not mention it! wink) until Friday as long as it's a Royal-baby-free thread! And yes, the Guardian's "republican" setting is a godsend!

fod27 Mon 22-Jul-13 18:13:12

Thanks ladies, your so lovely! We did a CBD and it read 2-3 weeks, got a MW appointment tomorrow so that I can make sure I'm looked after properly this time.... I don't have a clue how I will manage a hen do and wedding without alcohol, Should be interesting &#128515;&#128515;&#128515;

fod27 Mon 22-Jul-13 18:13:57

smile smile

Tomkat79 Mon 22-Jul-13 21:27:03

Royal baby free zone.....but ouch!!! DH watching the coverage in tears bless him.

Thatssofunny Mon 22-Jul-13 21:42:15

Last day of school tomorrow. Cannot wait. I'll try my best to ignore them all day, while they play. grin Unfortunately, that doesn't usually work. hmm

I'm still waiting for bleeding to stop. How long does this take anyway? It's been 10 days. I've had enough already! I wanna go swimming and I want to get started again... Might have to just go down to the beach and dip my feet into the water for now. sad

Congratulations fod. smile

Trinpy Mon 22-Jul-13 23:36:23

congratulations missp!

Sorry to read everyone is so down at the moment. I'm feeling positive for us all though. Expecting lots of August bfps!

I'm still waiting for af but stocking up for this month. I have bought a bbt thermometer, those clearblue opks that give highs and peaks, and, er, cough syrup. Willing to try anything! Just 3 weeks until my first appointment at fertility clinic so this could be my last attempt at TTC naturally smile .

ArkadyRose Tue 23-Jul-13 07:26:42

Definitely no BFP for me this week - AF arrived last night. Mt cycles seem to be getting shorter - that was only 26 days! Guess it's back to square one for me.

cosmickitten Tue 23-Jul-13 08:04:56

Congratulations missp exciting :-)

AF arrived this morning feel sad but relieved that my body is returning to normall. But mainly I feel sad :-(

triplespin Tue 23-Jul-13 09:11:06

Hello all. Sorry I have not been around for a while. Thank you kat for starting the new thread.

I am glad we are all brimming with positive energy. Just quickly skimmed through the thread.

trinpy I can't blv you are still waiting for AF to arrive. It would be nice to get it over and done with so you can at least get on with looking forward to the next stage.

sal penguin how are you doing? any chance you may still have a BFP as AF has not arrived as yet?

cosmic you are lucky for AF to arrive so soon.
congrats missp !!

who all is POAS this Friday? I hope there's good news to come !

I am now over 5 wks since my mc and still no AF (and not BFP either - tested on Friday). I guess I fall within the small percentage of people for whom AF can take ages to come. I hope its a matter of weeks rather than months, otherwise I will get thoroughly demoralised. At what point do I give up and see the doctor?

alyant79 Tue 23-Jul-13 09:42:13

Hello my lovelies!

I go away for a few days and what do I find? A whole shiny new thread to play in, hooray.

fod hello again! Soooo glad to hear that you have a bfp and also a wedding. you were going through a pretty rough time when you dropped off the radar so i'm really really pleased to hear that all is good now.

rainbow congrats to you too!

missp engaged! How fabulous!! Did you get a big rock?

Sorry for those of you feeling down, and those who got bfns and/or AF.

Started shagathon last night. Didn't take anything away with me to latitude over the weekend and aren't doing anything this month except temping. My temp was still low this morning so i'm assuming no ov yet. Should come in the next few days though so we're just going to shag every night for a few days if we can. Feel like we've had a bit of a break from it all and feeling quite relaxed, so hopefully this will count as "time out" and we'll get pg just like everyone else seems too when they do that.

Sorry to anyone else who'd important news i've missed. I just scimmed the last few pages of the old thread and this new one

cosmickitten Tue 23-Jul-13 11:21:16

Tailspin my AF arrived at 5 1/2 weeks post erpc. I think anything up to 8 won't cause gp's much concern. If it gets longer I think there things that can be done to help if hormone levels are out of wack.

The waiting sucks, fingers crossed you won't be waiting too long for AF or better still bfp!

cosmickitten Tue 23-Jul-13 11:27:52

Tailspin???? Triplespin sorry !

Sundance2007 Tue 23-Jul-13 11:37:14

Morning all. Welcome back aly - glad you're feeling a bit rested, and just in time to make yourself exhausted again for the rest of the week! haha, it's never ending is it all this. I'm turning celebate as soon as I get pg.

So just been to the docs to test for any infections/pelvic inflammatry disease, of which I think I have neither, but they have to rule it out before I get on board the long train of medical investigations.

AF is due on Monday next week, and doc wants me to have blood tests for days 1-5 and again on day 21 to test for LH, FSh & TSH, basically just to check that I'm ovulating alright, which I presumed I was because the ovulation kits had picked up all the changes but I'll go along with it for now anyway. Don't think the receptionist was too happy when I tried to make 5 appointments that I might not need if af doesn't show on time.

Hoping so badly that I get a bfp next week so I can abandon all these bloody tests but feels good to have some sort of proactive backup plan. to tell DH he might need to get his sperm checked out asap...!!

triplespin Tue 23-Jul-13 12:12:17

thanks cosmic so I still have some time then before I panic. Yes bfp unlikely now at this stage as we haven't been dtd actively, was awaiting af based on a regular 4-5 wk cycle. I'm hoping that it will arrive by the end of this week though as I did get a positive on opk about 2 weeks ago.

sundance i hope you get a bfp. Nonetheless it is great though that the gp are offering you all these tests and have not fobbed you off. At least there is a plan in case af arrives. Good luck !

alyant79 Tue 23-Jul-13 12:13:52

gah, just read all the typos and appalling grammar in my last post - sorry blush

sundance it's really great to have a back up plan. Even better if you don't need to use it.

flower I just read your story properly - boo, that really sucks. what a long journey. surely the end must be in sight soon. Also, thanks for reminding me that i'm due a pap smear. better make that horrible appointment asap but after shagathon finishes, ewww

triplespin Tue 23-Jul-13 12:20:40

I mean in "case AF does not arrive" !

triplespin Tue 23-Jul-13 13:05:08

sorry sundance I have no idea what I am writing. Please ignore me for rest of today until I get some caffeine. The decaf tea is certainly affecting ly level of alertness !

Emki Tue 23-Jul-13 13:26:27

Just popping in to mark my spot, thanks for starting new thread katatonic

huge congrats fod I wondered where you had gone - flowers

well I'm due AF on Thursday, have very bad lower back pain right now so not feeling too optimistic .... boo hoo!

floweroct sorry its so tough for you - grrrrr, this really is the worst thing - so frustrating.

I forced myself to speak to pregnant mums at my DD's nursery - one I saw in the park, she is due in Sept, which is when I would have been due with my second MC (if that makes any sense) I felt so proud of myself, even when she kept moaning about how difficult it will be with two children really wanted to smack her and shout 'do you know how lucky you are

I feel bad for DH as he has to put with me being so sad and also, quite often now, bitter and twisted. I've signed myself out of facebook as there are too many pictures of scans on there and new babies - I feel so mean, but I just DO NOT WANT TO KNOW!!!

so i'll be POAS on Friday, floweroct unless AF comes before hand - obviously ... who else?

congrats missp

Emki Tue 23-Jul-13 13:31:07

sorry I don't think I scrolled to last page when I posted, so i'm a little out of date .... good luck to all those starting the shagathon! xx

CamomileHoneyVanilla Tue 23-Jul-13 13:54:23

Am back - following confirmed complete mc at seven weeks <insert 'colourful' language here>. Bye byr honeymoon baby sad. Disappointed but oddly calm. Was convinced this one was going to mc from the start so it hasn't been as much of a shock as last time. Easier mc physically this time too. <finding silver lining>. Raising a glass to getting back on the TTC horse. Pass me some grapefruit juice.

ArkadyRose Tue 23-Jul-13 14:10:31

Triplespin I just checked back through my diary; it took 8 weeks for AF to come through after mc at 12 weeks. For some of us it just takes our bodies a little longer to get over things. How far along were you? I find the further along I am, the longer it takes for my body to get back to normal afterwards. I think I remember reading somewhere that if you haven't had AF by 12 weeks post-mc you should see your GP, but I can't remember where I saw it.

Emki Tue 23-Jul-13 14:27:44

Oh no cam so sorry flowers wine and lots of virtual hugs - glad you're able to see a positive but make sure you rest and grieve and look after yourself xxx

alyant79 Tue 23-Jul-13 15:19:31

oh no cam that's awful. so so sorry

cosmickitten Tue 23-Jul-13 15:20:28

cam really sorry to see your news x

CamomileHoneyVanilla Tue 23-Jul-13 16:00:56

Thanks guys. I'm very aware I'm not feeling much of anything at the moment. It's 'nice', but I suspect not particularly healthy grieving. Probably shock. DH and I are doing what we did last time and having a bottle of wine tonight and coming up with a name for the little'un. That'll likely help with getting in touch with feelings.

I read a really lovely quote on one of the threads in mc section earlier which I will attempt to paraphrase here. "It's a challenge to know how much space to give the pain in your life. Too little and you're at risk of pushing it away and denying it, too much and you risk it overwhelming you completely". I just thought it summed the dilemma up nicely so wanted to share it.

In terms of AF after mc, mine turned up after six weeks last time which I understand is about average.

We will get there. flowers.

triplespin Tue 23-Jul-13 17:10:13

camomile I am so sorry to hear your news. Hang in there. Its good to see that you are holding up so well.

Thanks guys on the range of estimates. So anywhere between 5 weeks to 12 wks for AF to arrive then - and I'm only at the bottom end of the range. sigh....

Emki Tue 23-Jul-13 17:57:06

Yes- just to add my AF took 11 weeks to arrive after erpc .... Xxx

nearlyreadytopop Tue 23-Jul-13 18:07:44

so sorry cam wine
that quote really hits home, I think I have thought very little about my last mc and wonder is it going to hit me soon.

katatonic Tue 23-Jul-13 18:40:09

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Sal1977 Tue 23-Jul-13 19:37:57

Haha! I like the tip about leaving the syringe in to act as a plug!! Will try that next time....

There's loads of them at it! I don't feel like a total loner anymore!!

Penguinita Tue 23-Jul-13 19:56:51

Oh camomile' that's just sh$te, I'm so sorry flowers

I'm still waiting for AF to arrive, but feeling crampy and grouchy so I don't think she is far away angry

fod27 Tue 23-Jul-13 20:14:01

Thanks Aly and Emki I'm just hoping that my run of shitty luck is over... Crossing everything although I've already convinced myself that it'll all be bad news, thinking of booking a private early scan for 3wks time to put my mind at ease... At least that way if my bean hadn't stuck I can focus on my wedding day with a clear mind and lots of alcohol .... I want to be upbeat about it but I just can't seem to invest emotionally with this pregnancy which is sad especially as DF has been do positive ( talk about turning tables)

I'm so so sorry to hear your news Cam hope your pampering yourself! God knows you deserve it huni x

Sal1977 Tue 23-Jul-13 20:15:15

Camomile - just feel what you feel when it comes toots. There's no right or wrong way to feel. Sucks though whatever what you look at it. sad

penguin I've had spotting for the last 3 days which is weird for me and temp was still high today, but I'm gonna try and hold out til with me still? grin

Tomkat79 Tue 23-Jul-13 20:30:22

So sorry to hear your news camomile. Lovely quote xxx

Penguinita Tue 23-Jul-13 22:07:20

Ooooh sal, maybe that is a good sign? I'm a bit excited and hopeful for you!

I'll POAS with you on Friday if AF isn't here yet, but I think that is unlikely, given it will be CD33 and I seem to have turned into PMT bitch from hell tonight shock Poor DH...

Sal1977 Tue 23-Jul-13 22:20:48

When is AF due Penguin? X

Penguinita Tue 23-Jul-13 23:04:23

Tomorrow I think...

alyant79 Wed 24-Jul-13 09:00:37

fod is there any way that you can get an early scan without paying? I think that in your position I'd be wanting an early scan too - but they did say to me when I had my mmc that I'd be able to get early scan next time. Worth trying for it at least before you fork out the money for private?

kata I completely understand your anger at your mum. I think that other people just forget sometimes. After all, it didn't happen to them and they just don't realise how it can still be so painful.

ooooh sal and penguin i'm on tenterhooks.....

I had a stray ov stick lying around so i peed on it last night just for fun. Got a very faint line which is exactly what I got on this cycle day last time, so I think that means today is ov day (temps were still low this morning). we dtd last night and the night before but dh is coughing and spluttering today so i hope he has the stamina for some action tonight! otherwise we might have to both sneak home from work at lunch tomorrow..... wink

triplespin Wed 24-Jul-13 09:22:59

Morning everyone. AF has arrived - so the wait is over (approximately 5.5 wks). Feel sad in some ways (despite having waited for it), but positive as well that we have a DTD plan to look forward too.

sal, penguin this all sounds v. positive. I think there is a good chance we will be hearing some BFP news this Friday.

Sal1977 Wed 24-Jul-13 09:25:25

Bleddy hell, we're all in knicker watch then!

Sundance2007 Wed 24-Jul-13 09:26:21

Cam - so, so sorry to hear your news. Big fat hugs comin' at ya. It's such a draining and emotional rollercoaster this ttc malarky, and if I do ever get my magic baby, I will never ever forget this painful, desperate time, not just for me but all you lovely ladies too. It's so bloody difficult. Get plenty of rest and just feel free to rant and rave on here to us.

Keping fingers crossed for Sal and Penguin....

Aly, Good luck, and keep doing it as much as you can this week, just to cover your bases. I think I've been stopping too early around the positive opk mark forgetting that there's a 48 hour window afterwards rather than 12 hours which is essentially where I've then sort of stopped.

Well I certainly didn't win the lotto last week or this week, so that pigeon poo had better bloody well be a lucky charm for Monday. I've decided I'm not going to POAS this Friday as it would be 3 days too early, so next Friday, if af hasn't reared her ugly head I will.

kjh5 Wed 24-Jul-13 11:57:25

I stumbled across this thread at 2am (feeling blue after very recent mc at 6wks - first pregnancy) and you all made me feel so much better. So hoping I can join in. Desperate to conceive again, I know people say you should wait one cycle but bleeding stopped last week so (against my better judgement) I have broken out the opk in the hope I might get a BFP before my next cycle begins... whenever that may be. Wishing you all good luck!

fod27 Wed 24-Jul-13 12:12:39

I'm going to ring the Drs tomorrow Aly I think to see if I can push for one, only just started to have the nausea symptons but no sickness yet.., is it bad that I long for pregnancy symptons? I just feel like id be more reassured I'd I knew my pregnancy was in full swing

fod27 Wed 24-Jul-13 12:15:39

kjh5 so sorry to see you here huni, mc is a devastating and at times lonely experience these wonderful women helped me through mine in feb and I can honestly say that if it wasn't for there support I'd have ended up a very broken person, it really does help talking to people who understand exactly what you've been through. I hope you have support in RL and are resting and looking after yourself both emotionally and physically xxxx

kjh5 Wed 24-Jul-13 12:35:06

Thanks fod am so glad I stumbled across all you lovely MNers, the support on here has been wonderful. Good to chat to people who know exactly what you are going through. DH has been great (he did buy me a kitten I have been wanting for ages and funnily enough having a lovely purring tiny ball of fluff attacking me while I type is really what is getting me through these post-mc weeks!) but he seems to think that now its all over we can act like nothing has happened and I'll just fall pg again... Positive stories and encouragement help! Great to hear your lovely news - very much wishing you a relatively stress-free and successful pg, fingers and toes crossed you get an early scan to set your mind at ease!

Sundance2007 Wed 24-Jul-13 13:38:45

Fod - Definitely try to push for one, don't 'ask' just say "I want", it's a method I have adopted with my gp's since the miscarriage and it seems to be working so far. Obviously they can't say what the hospital timetable is like, but be firm, it makes a difference.

kjh5 - sorry you find yourself here, but welcome anyway. It's such a difficult time. Just when you think you're okay again, you'll burst into tears at the most random times. It's not an easy time but it is so helpful to talk about stuff here with people who really understand and can truly sympathise. If you think you're ready, break out the opk's and get POAS with the rest of us!

DearlyDepartedMrsFinch Wed 24-Jul-13 13:40:28

Hi everyone, I disappeared for a while (busy and stressed) but missed you guys too much.

This cycle's Shagathon went well. I am currently 7DPO and munching the Desperate Pineapple.

So very, very sorry to hear about your loss. Cam. Truly, truly shit. Much love to you and yours.

Any news, Penguinita and Sal?

alyant79 Wed 24-Jul-13 15:35:55

fod I know that you want to feel sick and I completely understand. Having said that, I got very very very few symptoms when pg with my DD and loads with my MMC, so don't despair about your lack of symptoms, it doesn't mean anything. Good luck with the Dr tomorrow.
You might even be able to ring your EPU directly if the doc sends you packing.

hi kjh5 and welcome. Sorry that you're here. As the others said, there's no medical reason to wait for first AF so if you feel like it, just go for it. I completely understand about your DH. mine was wonderful but he seemed to "get over it" much quicker than I did and I resented that for a while. I thought that it meant he didn't care. Of course it doesn't mean that at all, it's just that everyone is different and reacts to these sorts of things in their own way.

DDMF I missed you!! Glad that you've been having fun shagging. Let's hope that it worked.

cosmickitten Wed 24-Jul-13 16:19:33

Triple sorry that your AF arrived but glad the awful wait is over.

Fod really hope your gp will sort a scan for you x

Kjh5 sorry that u find yourself here xxxx

Sorry for tmi but first period post mmc is really heavy and sore. I'd heard it might be but thought a lifetime of heavy periods would prepare me. Still quite taken aback, no swimming for me for a few days!

fod27 Wed 24-Jul-13 16:40:16

I know exactly what you mean kjh5 everyone around me including DF seemed to just move on so easily, it was vile especially as I wanted to punch every pregnant woman I came across in the face! I was a mess for a long time and to be honest I still am, although I'm pregnant now I still feel very angry that I may go through it all over again, I'm angry at mother nature and I've convinced myself this pregnancy will end the same. Unfortanetly men (although they try to understand) never really can fully comprehend what our minds and bodies go through or the amount of guilt we carry after the fact (no matter how unreasonable that guilt is)

All I can suggest is time and the possibility of counselling it may help zxxx

fod27 Wed 24-Jul-13 16:42:40

Ps ladies I will push for one tomorrow I think, although it's like I'm tempting fate I just can't rest until I know I've passed the 8 week marker as according to the sonigraphers measurements that's how far along I was when we lost our baby (it was a MMC and wasn't discovered until my 12 week scan )

Penguinita Wed 24-Jul-13 19:39:19

Frantic knicker watching here too. Still no AF although I have some cramps that feel like period pains. Although it might just be wind as I had baked beans for tea... Sorry, TMI! blush

Shiny new pregnancy tests arrived in the post today, really hoping I get to try one on Friday.

I also got a hospital appointment through today for a follow up ultrasound in about 3 weeks, to see if the cyst they saw at my MC has resolved. Fingers crossed that it has.

fod you should push for the scan. Make a big deal of the emotional stress you are under, how you are worried it might impact the baby, and if necessary lie and say you have been spotting

Welcome kjh5, we are here to hold your hand virtually through this tough time flowers

kjh5 Wed 24-Jul-13 19:50:44

Thanks aly and cosmic DH was actually lovely today - I had to call the hospital and cancel all scan apptd which I thought I would be fine about but ended up sobbing down the phone to some poor bewildered hospital receptionist. Oh well at least that's done!

Holding thumbs for everyone POAS this Friday!

Good luck for the scan request fod - I'm sure you'll get one if you push for it!

kjh5 Wed 24-Jul-13 19:55:48

Thanks Penguinita - fingers crossed for you! Here's hoping for a BFP this Friday. When I fell pg remember being thoroughly annoyed AF wasn't happening as symptoms were exactly the same as my usual PMS ones... Took a few days to realise I might actually be pg - felt a bit sheepish when I got a BFP.

I am really impressed with everyone's restraint on Friday POAS - I'm dreadful with holding out on stuff like that!

alyant79 Wed 24-Jul-13 20:13:41

Shh kjh5, don't tell anyone but sometimes the Friday rule does get broken! Shhhhh

I've been feeling sick the last couple of days and can't help thinking that maybe I'm pg. this is lunacy as I had a perfectly normal (but for me post mc that is lighter than before) af and my temps are low. If it wasn't for the Friday rule I would have poas today and wasted a stick.

alyant79 Wed 24-Jul-13 20:16:00

Feeling hopeful for penguin and sal!!

Penguinita Wed 24-Jul-13 21:19:02

Aww kjh, your story about the receptionist is heartbreaking, and totally understandable. I can't believe you had to cancel your own scan though, that is just cruel. The nurses at the EPU sorted that out for me.

Hang on till Friday with the rest of us aly and STOP leading the newbies astray, naughty girl! That is almost worthy of a fish slap! grin

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 24-Jul-13 22:54:52

<<peeks into thread>>
Kjh5 there are thread rules at the top of the page...

<<sneaks out>>

kjh5 Thu 25-Jul-13 01:16:19

Haha! Consider me told SOCCP and Penguinita! I promise not to POAS until Friday... Although def no need for that this week!

Penguinita Thu 25-Jul-13 07:44:17

Oh no, the witch has got me!!! {{evil cackling in background}} angry

Sal1977 Thu 25-Jul-13 07:58:06

Shit penguin, what properly got you? Or just spotting?

Emki Thu 25-Jul-13 08:11:08

Me too- AF arrived this morning - but this is the first cycle since erpc that cycle has been exactly 28 days - back to normal - but gutted!!! Fingers crossed for the rest POAS tomorrow - penguin share a virtual bottle of wine tonight? And off to whistles sale !

triplespin Thu 25-Jul-13 08:15:14

oh no penguin and emki.

cosmic same here, day 1 has been particularly painful and accompanied by loss of appetite (v. strange).

aly I downloaded fertility friend and started temping this morning. Waiting for a few points to build up on my chart - exciting stuff !

Sal1977 Thu 25-Jul-13 08:26:26

Technical question.....can I test if it is within 24 hours of a Friday?

Yes Sal! I can't think of a reason why not wink x

Sundance2007 Thu 25-Jul-13 08:41:39

Bugger fuck shit balls!!! AF got me this morning, totally by surprise as I'm not due until Monday!!

Totally buggered up the blood tests I'd spent ages haggling with the doctors receptionist to get for next week, so I had to hurry to the docs first thing this morning (teary eyed) and try to explain to the rather bewildered male receptionist. I'm waiting for a call back to see if they can squeeze me in, even if they do, the most I'll get will be for today and tomorrow, is this enough for testing when the doctor said I had to have bloods for every day of my period and again on day 21?

Burst into tears this morning, and DH, although really sweet and positive, was clearly gutted too.

On the plus side, no one has to chase any pigeons...clearly it's not a good luck charm after all.

Sal1977 Thu 25-Jul-13 09:05:27

Aw bugger Sun. Get down there today, I'm sure it will be fine. When I went for my day 21 bloods they said it has to be 7 dpo and day 21 is based on a 28 day cycle.

Go and scare a receptionist into getting what you want!!

Thank god for not having to do the pigeon trick.....although, get Amazon up on your screens ladies and your credit cards out, seems you might need to be buying up some syringes....grin

alyant79 Thu 25-Jul-13 09:16:34

sal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that sounds like good news (and a fish slap)!

fuckity fucky fuck for sundance, penguin and emki

alyant79 Thu 25-Jul-13 09:20:11

triplespin that's exciting about your temping. it's fun, isn't it?
I'm still waiting for my temps to go up to signal ov. should have been high this morning but they weren't. maybe i'm ovulating later than normal this month, or else not at all? hopefully not the latter.

sundance i think sal's right about the 21 day test - you need to fit it to your cycle if it's not the standard 28 day cycle. I'm sure the tests will be fine and i'm sure they'll squeeze you in.

Sal1977 Thu 25-Jul-13 09:23:57

<<off to make chips>>

Sundance2007 Thu 25-Jul-13 09:24:22

Got in - 10:50am this morning. Phew.

Not that I'm ready for that quite yet, but do syringes do anything different to the...ummm...more natural way of delivering the 'white goods'?

So this has been a 25 day cycle, last month 29 days, and before that 25 days....WTF is going on?

alyant79 Thu 25-Jul-13 09:32:12

sundance i'm also wtfing over here with my cycles - 23 days most recently, then 26 days, 25 days and 24. grrr.

alyant79 Thu 25-Jul-13 09:32:54

can i have some ofyour chips sal? perhaps they bring good luck.

also going to take a syringe home tonight

triplespin Thu 25-Jul-13 09:51:52

oh my sal !! big fish slap for you !

congratulations ! I am sure there will be a big order in on amazon this morning for syringes lol.

CamomileHoneyVanilla Thu 25-Jul-13 09:58:55

Hey guys

Sorry the witch has arrives sundance, penguin and emki. She is a cow.

Is that a BFP then Sal? - I'm going to be pretty chuffed myself if it is having been the original advocate of the syringe possibility!

I'm still off work wallowing and researching in standard project desperate fashion. I wanted to add smoothies to the list thanks to the bbc:

Also wanted to run something else by you all - apologies if it stresses anyone - its not meant to. I've read somewhere that women with longer cycles are at an increased risk of miscarriage because their eggs are older (and slightly more decrepit presumably) by the time there are released and subsequently fertilised. Does anyone know if this is true or just internet crap? My cycle is generally 33-35 days so not mega long but a bit longer than average. Does anyone know of nifty ways of regulating their cycles I might be able to attempt?

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 25-Jul-13 10:05:49

Vitamin B6 apparently Cam, or Agnus Castus. But you need to do lots of reading up and make sure you take them properly. X
Sal... Come back here with those chips.... <<ketchup>>

Sal1977 Thu 25-Jul-13 11:02:31

Chips for breakfast? Sweeeeettt!!!

fod27 Thu 25-Jul-13 11:10:59

Mother nature is a bitch ladies, so sorry to hear of her arrival, console yourselves with some plonk and choc nom nom nom.

Quick question guys, I'm 5 weeks and I've been having a dull ache in my lower back, no cramping but I'm also really suffering with constipation and flatulence (tmi I knowwww) but I need to know if they're related or should I be worried that the worse case scenario is on the way?

Sundance2007 Thu 25-Jul-13 11:42:12

Sounds pretty normal for early pg symptoms tbh Fod, I'd be worried if you were cramping lots but otherwise I think it all sounds pretty healthy.

I'm sooooooooo confused, just got back from the docs after having my bloods taken (my arm is covered in holes apparently I have no veins!). When I saw my gp the other day, she said I needed bloods taking on days 1,2,3,4 &5 of my cycle, and again on day 21. The nurse that took my bloods just now said that I must have misheard and that the bloods only need taking in any of the first three days and on day 21. So 2 in total as opposed to the 6 my gp said.

Has anyone else had to give bloods and if so, how many did you have?

fod27 Thu 25-Jul-13 12:23:12

I've never had to have bloods taken huni, what are they testing for?

kjh5 Thu 25-Jul-13 12:52:16

Echoing Aly's fuckity fuck for sundance penguinita and emki. Some kind of indulgence is definitely in order. wine

fod I think those are perfectly normal symptoms so there should be no need to worry yourself.

Sundance I have only ever had day 21 tests (my cycle was pretty much dead on 28 days) and hormone level tests but surely someone at the Miscarriage Association can help with an explanation? I see they have a helpline.

Does the temperature thing actually work for people? I tried it but noticed that mine changed daily so I'm sticking with ovpk as they worked last time... although was totally expecting to see two pink lines today as it is 2wks post mc... got all upset when it didn't appear, which is ridiculous because I know that your cycle is messed up postMC!

I might tell DH we'll have to try a shagathon ;) although I can't see him feeling too enthusiastic about it as I work nights so means waking him up at 3am when he's dead asleep and I'm knackered from work! DTD has never felt like more of a chore....

fod27 Thu 25-Jul-13 12:56:44

Thanks ladies xxxx

alyant79 Thu 25-Jul-13 13:00:05

kjh this is my second month of temping. first month worked really well. there is a little bit of variation day to day, but that's probably because i can't be assed setting my alarm clock early, so i just take my temp whenever i wake up - usually somewhere between 6 and 7am (i could adjust for time of temping but fertility friend reckons you don't have to). There was a clear jump (much greater than the day to day variability) just after I ovulated.
This month has been a bit more erratic and i'm still waiting to see my post-ov jump. Hoping it comes!

cosmickitten Thu 25-Jul-13 14:37:04

Sun I had the same tests are your having now (I think) in Jan.

As far I'm aware the first test must be done between day 1-5 and the second 7 days before the end of the cycle (so day 21 for most people).

The first test measures FSH, LH and Prolactin. Often thyriod function is done at the same time. The second test measures progestrone.

I've not come across testing each day and wonder if maybe your GP got it wrong?

Oli31 Thu 25-Jul-13 15:36:24

Hi lovely ladies, I was wondering if I could ask for your advice and experience...

Had an ERPC on 2nd April having miscarried at 12 weeks. AF duly arrived 6 weeks later and I congratulated myself on being patient enough to wait the one cycle. That was 10 weeks ago and since then nothing (but plenty of shagging). I've POAS plenty of times, but all negative. Since Monday I've had tummy cramping, bloating and been particularly grumpy. So can you tell me WTF is going on in my tummy?? Is there any chance I could get pg this cycle or should I just give up and wait for AF to appear and then start DTD with intent again??

Collective wisdom please...

alyant79 Thu 25-Jul-13 15:50:25

hi oli31 i don't have experience of that myself, but a friend of mine had exactly the same experience after a mmc at 12 weeks. She got her first AF smack bang on 4 weeks, but it then went AWOL. She did end up getting pregnant on that mystery cycle though, with an egg that dropped around CD80.
So don't give up! It could happen for you

Oli31 Thu 25-Jul-13 16:24:58

Thanks Alyant, that's very reassuring to know!

kjh5 Thu 25-Jul-13 16:33:48

Sorry oli31 I have no helpful advice to add but empathise with your frustration - I was told the first few cycles after mc would be all over the place and to try be patient. Hope you get some answers (or a BFP) soon -xx

I was hoping to solicit some thoughts/advice on telling people about your mc. Very close friends and family know and I have no desire for anyone at work or any other acquaintances in RL to know what had happened but we're going to a BBQ this weekend and I'll be the only non-pg non-mother there.

It's a small group of DH's very close school friends and I'd say I'm close to the wives. Two of them already know. I wasn't going to mention anything but the past 48 hours have been bad for sadness and uncontrollable crying for no reason. I don't generally go wailing my woes about the place but I'm quite an open and candid person with my friends. I'm coping well generally and I'm totally capable of cooing over babies and enjoying an evening out but it is going to be difficult and I think I'd prefer the girls to know what happened before we all get together.

DH says he hasn't told anyone because its private but that if I feel I need I tell people I must. I hate the idea of treating this as a big secret I need to be ashamed of (because I'm not). I don't want people to tiptoe around me - but if I need to go and have a blub in the bathroom I'd feel better they knew why. Any thoughts?

Sundance2007 Thu 25-Jul-13 17:43:01

Thanks Cosmic - that's exactly what I'm being tested for, so I'm taking it that what you and the nurse said are both correct and clearly my gp was distracted when she was talking me through it - probably my fault for firing loads of questions at her. I know I'm defo having all of those tests, including thyroid so will just have go with the flow on day 21 even though my cycles are all over the place at the moment. thank you for helping to clear it up though.

Kjh5 - Personally, I think if you can, just be direct and upfront about it. No doubt the boys and girls will segregate anyway, they usually do in those situations, so if an appropriate point comes up, then just be honest with the ladies. Sometimes I just refer to it as 'when I had my mc' or 'since I had the mc' - just sort of drop it into conversation, as if I presumed they already knew, and then it's less of a "guess what happened to me!" conversation which makes it feel more like you have a spotlight on you.

Don't be afraid to cry or get teary about it, sometimes I think it serves as a reminder to people just how horrid we have it on this ttc mission and as you said, it's not something that you should feel ashamed of so why hide it.

katatonic Thu 25-Jul-13 18:35:13

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cosmickitten Thu 25-Jul-13 19:21:12

feeling very very weepy and down tonight. Not sure why really, I just feel totally miserable. Hormones I guess. And the fear that it might take 14 months like last time (followed by all the other fears stacking up behind that fear). At times like this I really wish I didn't want a baby. It would make life so much easier. Sorry for the pity party but no one else really understands.

Trinpy Thu 25-Jul-13 19:37:28

Sorry to hear you're feeling like that cosmic.

I've also been really down the past couple of days. Have been lurking on here but not posting until I saw your message. Misery loves company wink . Don't think the royal baby 24hr updates help. Lmao that a baby having it's first dirty nappy was deemed international news-worthy hmm .

Still no af. Will poas tomorrow just on the off chance I got o date wrong.

alyant79 Thu 25-Jul-13 19:55:51

cosmic and trinpy i'm sorry that you've been feeling down. It just happens sometimes for no reason and that's totally fine. In fact I don't mean for no reason because of course there is a VERY GOOD reason for feeling sad - it's just that it seems to strike out of the blue sometimes, usually (for me) right after a very good day.

kjh5 I totally understand why you want to tell people. I've gotten quite good at telling people who ask. I'm just up front about it. But if you want them to know without having to blurt it all out at the BBQ perhaps a quick email before hand? Or, like sundance suggests, just drop it casually into conversation.
I don't think miscarriage is talked about enough, and I'm on a mission to correct that wink.

good luck tomorrow trinpy. when was/is AF due?

fod27 Thu 25-Jul-13 21:39:28

kjh5 I can totally relate, I found it incredibly helpful tell close ones only for the fact that they in turn shared their MC experiences which in a way brought us closer... It's a very taboo subject and it's only when you've shared the turmoil that you've experienced that others feel as though they have permission to do the same, on the other hand those who don't get it will fain interest and sympathy but then simply forget

fod27 Thu 25-Jul-13 21:43:49

Thanks for sharing kat that has made me giggle lololi mine where all over the place, I had a MMC discovered at 12 weeks on feb 13th, had the surgery beginning of march, and lots of testing ups and downs and wtf cycles later and I'm now 5 weeks pregnant.... Hemorrhaged loads! Had my medication messed up and collapsed as a result and I still got a BFP so please hang in there it is possible xxxxx

Floweroct Thu 25-Jul-13 21:47:38

Sorry to those feeling down today, I've just scoffed a chocolate bar instead of going for a run!

Aly, I'm also on a mission to get miscarriage talked about more! On a couple of occasions I text a friend to explain what had happened before I saw them just so they knew first but also I've just told people face to face.

DearlyDepartedMrsFinch Thu 25-Jul-13 22:05:42

Sorry she got to you sundance, penguin and emki

kjh, I know exactly what you mean about wanting everyone to know.

I had a MMC in April (baby died at 11+4). So instead of the happy baby news text, I ended up sending a 'I was pregnant, now I am not' text to all the friends who were completely unaware I was pregnant. Because like you said, it isn't some kind of shameful secret. It was my baby, my loss and will always be relevant. And I wanted it acknowledged, IYSWIM. Also, I wanted there to be a reason for my random cancellations/irritability/tearyness.

I'd say letting your friends know beforehand, or dropping it into the conversation is perfectly normal. And, as fod said, bringing the subject up often brings out the stories of others' MCs.

I'm currently in the obsessive 2WW. 8DPO and going quietly insane. Hate this bit: one day utterly convinced this is our month, then the following day, a drop in temperature, lack of CF and I'm utterly convinced AF is on her way. Wish I could lapse into a post-coital slumber on OV day and wake up 14 days later.

kjh5 Thu 25-Jul-13 22:10:49

Thanks for the great advice everyone - and hugs and sympathy for those feeling down today. I'm learning there are good and bad days. Support on here is helping immensely! Here's hoping for a great Friday for everyone whether POAS or not x

Trinpy Fri 26-Jul-13 00:58:45

aly I think I am 24dpo today and had a bfn last week so I think it will probably be the same this week. Have had pre-af cramps for over a week now.

alyant79 Fri 26-Jul-13 08:42:04

good news: temps are up today so i def ov'd yesterday.
bad news: DH was working until 1am last night so by the time he got home I was well and truly asleep, so no dtd on ov day sad just have to hope that the three consecutive nights before that were enough.

Who POAS today??? trinpy what was your result?

Sundance2007 Fri 26-Jul-13 09:06:35

Just thought I'd pop my head round the door to see if anyone had any success with POAS day - good luck if you are planning on doing it.

Weirdly though, it seems that quite a few of us have synchronized and have been caught by af this week - hopefully August will be our month instead eh?!

Trinpy Fri 26-Jul-13 09:09:31

aly you have a higher chance of conceiving if you dtd on the days before ov rather than ov day AND there is a lower chance of mc if you conceive from dtd before ov day. So missing oit last night is no bad thing!

I was half-asleep this morning and managed to pwoas (pee without a stick). Not too clever. will test a bit later.

alyant79 Fri 26-Jul-13 09:16:47

haha trinpy love the pwoas.

DDMF hang in there! try not to go too crazy. Just one more week.

I foolishly looked up when i'd be due a 12 week scan if i do happen to get pg this month: it wouldn't be until October!! How on earth would i possibly survive that long without going mad from anxiety? The 2ww is bad enough.

alyant79 Fri 26-Jul-13 09:17:31

oh, and thanks trinpy for the reassurance. I didn't know about the lower chance of mc from pre ov day sex.

Trinpy Fri 26-Jul-13 10:59:47

I got what looks like an evap. Hate Internet cheapies angry .

Sal1977 Fri 26-Jul-13 11:04:41

I got my BFP yesterday but as I'm still spotting, not holding out much hoping that its a sticky. Feel a bit flat about it....

Trinpy Fri 26-Jul-13 11:22:37

Congratulations on the bfp sal.

I understand why you're feeling a bit flat but spotting is so common early on in healthy pregnancies. Everything crossed for you that everythings ok.

katatonic Fri 26-Jul-13 11:34:45

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kjh5 Fri 26-Jul-13 12:32:20

Sal keeping fingers and toes tightly crossed for this one to stick and as others have said spotting is normal in healthy pregnancies, have friends with bubbas to testify to that!

aly I only dtd 28 hours (1 and a half days) after ovpk showed a positive as DH was away - and I'm wondering if I caught the egg at the very end of its life and that is why we mc'd... anyway I always hear that catching it earlier is better so here's lots of finger and toe crossing for you too!

kat I'm happy you had some good news!

DDMF I can totally understand your frustration, I was so blasé last time as I thought there was no way I could be pg... now I know the signs I fear once I have ov I am going to spend a fortune on pg tests just incase I catch an early BFP (I'm clearly feeling hopeful today!)

Sounds like last night was not a good night to dtd! I came home and was supposed to wake DH up but did the washing instead... here's hoping I didn't miss the window. Although 2wks post mc and there are no signs that I am even about to ov so figure its not going to happen this weekend...

alyant79 Fri 26-Jul-13 13:48:40

kata that's GREAT news about your DH's knee. Phew indeed.

sal i think that's totally understandable to be anxious. It's probably better to be feeling flat because then the only way is up when/if it does stick. Having said that, I had what seemed like a proper period when pg with DD, so she is living proof that a bit of bleeding isn't necessarily the end.

hmm trinpy confused are you going to splash out on a more expensive test?

cosmickitten Fri 26-Jul-13 16:45:10

Kat wonderful news re your oh.

Sal congratulations on your bfp, keeping fingers crossed that spotting stops soon.

Thank you for the kind words last night I'm feeling much more settled today. It's funny how it creeps up on you isn't it?

RainbowConnections Fri 26-Jul-13 16:49:02

Just checking Fridays POAS. Great news Sal. Keeping my fingers crossed for you. I know not much helps right now but i had several days of spotting with DS and turned out fine.
Good news re DH's knee Katatonic.

Trinpy Fri 26-Jul-13 17:52:50

I tested again with a first response just to put my mind at rest and so I can make a start on the wine.

Very very faint bfp.

RainbowConnections Fri 26-Jul-13 18:17:36

Wow Trinpy! Congrats. x
(That was pretty much my reason for testing too.)

Sal1977 Fri 26-Jul-13 18:58:10

Hooray Trinpy!!!

Thanks for the pep talk ladies! Still not feeling great about it but not quite sure what I can do. Should I leave it a few days and see if tests get darker and to see if it stops? Or should I call the doctors on Monday and see what they say?

Just been for a big fat boy ice cream in the harbour, bleddy lush!!

Trinpy Fri 26-Jul-13 19:04:13

sal go to your gp and tell them you are bleeding. Even if it's only spotting, they should test your hcg levels over 2 levels to check they're going up.

Trinpy Fri 26-Jul-13 19:05:07

2 days not levels

fod27 Fri 26-Jul-13 19:11:45

Great news sal! I booked straight in and I also did another CBD today just to check that my levels were rising as I've still had no sickness, or changes in breasts etc... The result was 3 weeks + which is good as the last text was 2~3 weeks so they are rising but I'm worried that I should be feeling the morning sickness at 5 weeks plus but still nothing gawwwwwdddd I really hope this one sticks I can't bear to go through loosing another

kjh5 Fri 26-Jul-13 19:24:03

Awesome news trinpy and fod!!! grin

Sal I reckon your GP should be able to do some HGC blood tests for you? I'm guilty of doing the clear blue digital tests on consecutive weeks to see if it recorded the right amount of weeks... I know it's unreliable but when MC happened it showed the levels dropping off quite accurately!
Ice cream sounds like a bloody good stop gap in the meantime!

Hoping everyone else is having a great Friday - it's rather lovely and sunny so I'm trying to not think of MC or ov and just enjoy the evening!

triplespin Fri 26-Jul-13 19:54:05

Awesome news Trinpy!! Seems like we are ticking over 1-2 bfps every week! Aly it's your turn next.

alyant79 Fri 26-Jul-13 20:02:15

Woo trinpy!!!!!!

Sal I'd go to gp and tell them about the bleeding. They should do some tests and also prob book you in for early scan. That's what mine did.

Fod I had no symptoms at all with dd, and loads with MMC. Go figure.

Today when I was picking up dd from nursery I almost got a bit teary - she is moving up to the next room and growing so fast. Anyway point is that the staff member said that I should just have another then!! Gah. If only it was that easy sad
No I'm feeling miserable and typically dh is out tonight playing golf angry. Thank god for red wine and ice cream!

Misspositivity Fri 26-Jul-13 20:08:54

Hi everybody. I dramatically announced I was taking a break. Week following an engagement we are going to keeping trying for a few months then stop and plan wedding if nothing happens.

So if it's ok with you guys can I come back please??

Congrats to the BFP's Delighted for you all but totally understand the worry.

My DP (DF he he ) has gone away for 2 weeks with work. And guess what I am due to ovulate on Sunday. How rude of him. So guess we are out for this month. Been getting highs of clearblue opk but no peak yet or temp rise.

Been taking B6 to try and lengthen luteal phase do will keep you updated on if it helps.

fod27 Fri 26-Jul-13 21:27:25

Thanks aly I'll try to bear that in mind

cosmickitten Fri 26-Jul-13 21:47:55

Trinpy that is awesome news congratulations :-)

Penguinita Fri 26-Jul-13 22:21:03

Aww, congrats sal and trinpy, I'm delighted for you!

But slightly gutted that I'm not joining you this month sad

Thatssofunny Fri 26-Jul-13 22:21:07

Congratulations on the bfps. flowers

We've finally got holidays. grin I so deserve time off right now.

Been to EPU for further blood tests, since levels seem to be falling too slowly (or not at all,...). However, just seem to have something like af arrive, which will hopefully sort this out and mean we can get a move on with ttc.
Have been weepy and grumpy today and cried when I found out that I've gone into an overdraft. (The lady at the bank couldn't explain to me why I don't get notified when that happens. Apparently it's because my account is usually balanced, which is why they try to be nice by giving me an overdraft. Well, nice,..thanks...but at least let me know, so I can sort it out! How the heck am I supposed to "balance" it, if I don't know that I have to move money into that account?? I don't want an overdraft.)

I'm still looking for medical insurance that will cover pregnancy. What do you have to do - or have wrong with you - in this country to actually get to see a doctor? hmm

DearlyDepartedMrsFinch Fri 26-Jul-13 22:28:30

Yippee trinpy!!

Sal, get thee to a GP for some HCG reassurance. Crossing everything for you.

Aly, my DD is moving rooms soon too. All the way upstairs!!! I'm not ready! <<wail>>

Still cramping slightly and some backache, feeling generally PMTish. Still only 9DPO though, and my shortest LP has been 14 days, so it ain't over til the fat red lady sings (or summat). wine is helping.

Trinpy Sat 27-Jul-13 01:23:30

Told dh the news and he's not very happy about it. Everything's still so raw from the mc 5.5 weeks ago. I thought he would be happy and excited like he was the first time but his reaction was really, really bad. He says he's scared and worried.

I'm so disappointed and really, really want this one to stick because I think our marriage would suffer if I mc again. And I'm tired of feeling sad.

Sorry for such a long post.

Thatssofunny Sat 27-Jul-13 06:55:21

Oh trinpy, sorry that your dh is finding this difficult. Perhaps give him a little bit of time. Fingers crossed for you that everything will be ok this time.

alyant79 Sat 27-Jul-13 08:39:26

Aw trinpy. Hugs. But you know it's not surprising that he's nervous and worried. It's a natural reaction. I'm sure that when the danger period is over he'll be thrilled to pieces

Welcome back missp!

Trinpy Sat 27-Jul-13 13:14:49

Welcome back missp!

Dh is much more positive about it all today, though he says he won't be able to relax properly until we've had the 12 week scan and know everything is ok. Which I guess is understandable.

Thanks for the support smile

katatonic Sat 27-Jul-13 13:31:52

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Misspositivity Sat 27-Jul-13 14:45:38

Thanks guys.
trinpy DH sounds lovely and just so worried about you both. Think this is natural reaction. My DP says he can't bear to see me so disappointed again. Hopefully he won't.
Fingers crossed it will be a smooth 8 weeks or so do you. Delighyed for you both.

alyAnt. You had mentioned a short luteal phase before. Did you ever get 21 day bloods done. I am thinking about it as cycles all over the place.

Off out tonight with the girls. My friends nanny is coming to babysit as I couldn't get a babysitter. Feel kind of guilty as they say not to pay her as they pay salary for her hours but kinda of feel I probably should. What do you guys think?

Sal1977 Sat 27-Jul-13 15:07:04

Trinpy my DH won't even talk about it. He says we're to behave like I'm not pregnant I think this one is a duffer anyway until a 12 week scan confirms otherwise!

TBH, I really don't hold out much hope for this one to the point where I've had a couple of cigarettes (gave up a year ago) and I'm already thinking about the next cycle...

I think you'll find he's more worried about how you will take it if it doesn't work out as that's what my DH says.

On the flip side, did another test this morning and it came up quicker and darker than two days ago, so fuckity fuck knows what is happening in my womb of doom!! Still spotting today, even using a tampax as I can't bear to see it every time I go to the loo fricking hurts when you take out a 10% used one though!!

MissP why not bung her a tenner or something?

Trinpy Sat 27-Jul-13 15:55:56

missp if it was me I would give her something because it isn't really in her job description.

sal very good sign that your lines are getting darker. I have a bad feeling about my pregnancy too. Don't really think it's going to stick but trying to stay positive! And good to know my dh isn't the only one whos panicking!

I called my mum earlier and told her because we're close and I would want her support if I mc again. Her reaction wasnt great either. I feel a bit sorry for this baby, everyone's so underwhelmed about it!

fod27 Sat 27-Jul-13 16:55:14

trinpy I totally understand where he's coming from, it's the other way round in our house, DF is over the moon and I can't commit emotionally until I've seen a 12 week scan. Think sometimes its easier to emotionally detach yourself after all that heartache until your 100% sure especially from a mans perspective as they feel so helpless. It's crap but it's life and we all deal with things in our own way, I'm sure he's just scared for you and your state of mind more than anything

fod27 Sat 27-Jul-13 16:57:01

Also trinpy my mother really wasn't too bothered either... Which is quite soul destroying, especially as my mother on law was elated.

alyant79 Sat 27-Jul-13 20:01:12

Mothers are prob the same as hubbies. They can't stand to see their daughters hurting and so don't want to get prematurely excited. And are prob already mentally preparing for the worst.

That's good sal that the test is getting stronger

fod27 Sat 27-Jul-13 21:01:09

Another question ladies.... Is it normal for my stomach to be swelling up? It's almost as though it's bloated, plus getting the odd twinge on the left side of my lower abdomen

alyant79 Sat 27-Jul-13 22:48:20

Missp I've only recently discovered my short luteal phase and am so far sticking my head in the sand and hoping that it'll be fine. Mine's about 10/11 days and I read lots of stories of people getting pg just fine with that length.
So no bloods done, yet...
I don't know if I've always had it or if it's new post mc

Trinpy Sat 27-Jul-13 23:00:17

fod that sounds completely normal to me smile .

ArkadyRose Sun 28-Jul-13 00:09:39

fod Bloating's pretty normal; it's usually one of my first symptoms I'm pg - the pregnancy hormones start relaxing muscles etc, and that includes the intestines (which are basically one long circular wall of muscle when you think about it). Digestion slows down a bit, which means the food passing through your gut has more chance to ferment a bit, producing more gas than usual. Just make sure you eat plenty of fibre so your intestine has something more to grip onto whilst working.

Misspositivity Sun 28-Jul-13 12:17:16

alyant. I think anything over 10 is fine so wouldn't worry. None was 9 last cycle but weird short cycle so hoping its better this month.

Looks like I could be still in with chance this month. Temp spike today so think I ovulated yesterday. Ewcm for last 4-5 days. Didn't get solid smiley on opk so perhaps I missed lh surge. As DP and I dTD late thurs / fri morning just maybe I can do 2ww or maybe kidding myself.

fod as the other guys r saying. Bloating expected so try not to worry (easier said than done). In my first pregnancy I had constant bloating cramps sharp pains. Horrendous bleeding and she is now a cheeky 2 year old. W

fod27 Sun 28-Jul-13 12:47:43

Thanks for the reassurance guys.... I really really do appreciate it, everyone else thinks I'm crazy or that I'm worrying for nothing but they just don't get it, I mean after a MC pregnancy will never be enjoyable again I don't think I will test until its actually here.

On a positive note though nausea started this morning so I'm seeing that at as a good sign (can't believe I'm looking forward to 24hr vomiting) and in 2 weeks and 6 days I'll be a married woman!!!! Shotgun wedding hahaaa

Floweroct Sun 28-Jul-13 12:49:03

Feeling really frustrated today just wondering whether im destined to not have children, I just can't see me ever getting a bfp - a bit dramatic I know! Just needed a little vent!

I'm sure 10/11 days is f

Floweroct Sun 28-Jul-13 12:50:28

Stupid phone! 10/11 days is fine for luteal phase.

Hope everyone's enjoying the weekend, we've got loads of rain now!

Sal1977 Sun 28-Jul-13 13:03:27

More spotting red today (on loo roll) and a bit crampy this morning although feeling queasy as well. Sure 7 days of spotting is not a good sign. If its a duffer, I just wish it would hurry up and reject itself and if its still viable, I wish the bleeding would stop!!

I agree*Fod*, I'll never feel good or excited about a pregnancy again and I feel fricking bitter about it as well!! It's all bullshit as I just can't ever see me having my own baby either Flower! Xx

katatonic Sun 28-Jul-13 13:57:41

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Trinpy Sun 28-Jul-13 14:00:11

flower I felt like that even before mc. But you will get there smile .

sal are you going to see your doctor about the bleeding?

Sal1977 Sun 28-Jul-13 15:08:22

Yeah, I'll try and get an appointment for tomorrow or Tuesday and if it is a MC which I think it is at least it's on my records so that will be 3 so they might do some investigating..?


Sal1977 Sun 28-Jul-13 15:08:37

Oops! Any

Sal1977 Sun 28-Jul-13 15:09:20

For fucks sake!!!

Anyone know the protocol for what happens after 3 MC?

Thatssofunny Sun 28-Jul-13 16:09:28

Sorry Sal, keeping fingers and toes crossed for you. Hope it's going to work out ok. Can't tell you what happens after three mc. sad

Midwife was worried about high hcg levels, but since I've now actually started to have "period-like" bleeding and cramping, I hope it's sorting itself out. Been on paracetamol today (usually only need to take two tablets on the first day). Just hoping this is over soon. Nearly three weeks; I've had enough now. Can I count this as my first "af"? It's more annoying than usual. hmm

nearlyreadytopop Sun 28-Jul-13 17:55:58

sal I really hope it works out for you.
I have just had my third mc. hospital that did my erpc will see me and dh in 6 weeks to take blood.

fod27 Sun 28-Jul-13 18:43:17

sal and flower I hope your looking after yourselves, life is so shitty at times, take some time for yourself, wine, (non alcoholic if necessary) chocs, takeaway etc cxxx

DearlyDepartedMrsFinch Sun 28-Jul-13 19:52:31

<<waves to MissP >>

Still hoping for you Sal. The waiting must be dreadful. Hope you can get some reassurance from the GP (a darker HPT is a good sign remember). Fingers crossed.

I can definitely relate to the emotional detachment that has been mentioned. It is natural to be anxious and DHs/DMs just want to protect DDs from more hurt. But, yes, it does kind of make you feel sad for the lack of excitement surrounding these post-MC pregnancies. All that naive assumption that everything will be okay gone, only to be replaced by a certain dread that everything won't. Chins up, pregnant friends smile. We know how important these rainbow babies are.

Sal1977 Mon 29-Jul-13 08:43:08

Waiting is over, started bleeding at about 4am, I guess it was a duffer. Bumhug. sad

alyant79 Mon 29-Jul-13 08:49:17

oh no sal sad
that's really really shit.
to look on the bright side, it's better for it to happen (if it had to happen) now, than to keep you waiting and waiting for weeks.

get thee to the gp and start the ball rolling

triplespin Mon 29-Jul-13 09:00:49

sal fingers crossed for you. I know it must be difficult to enjoy the pregnancy so far but hopefully you can see EPU this week. How many weeks will you be? I was 5+3wks and they still saw me at the time of the my mc, even though I had heard that they don't unless you are at least 6 wks.

first cycle and so far seems to have been similar as before mc. I'm feeling hopeful; so many on the thread seem to have had bfps straight even before 1st cycle, i hope i have positive news in 1-2 cycles too. I have a question on opks. Before I was using the normal cb digital ones which only show peak fertility. The instructions on those said that I should check late morning or afternoon, never POAS first thing in the morning. However the new cb digital ones which show high and peak fertility say the opposite. So which is correct? I am thoroughly confused now.

triplespin Mon 29-Jul-13 09:03:19

oh so sorry sal - so I didn't see your posting below. I am truly sorry to hear that - I hope GP sees you quickly enough and that you can have some answers soon.

ArkadyRose Mon 29-Jul-13 09:47:13

Really sorry to hear that sal. I hope it goes as easily as it can, given the circumstances, and that it's at least over soon. You're in good company here though; there are several of us who've had mulitiple mcs and understand what it's like to have to go through this yet again.

fod27 Mon 29-Jul-13 09:57:02

Awww sal I'm so so sorry to hear your news, what an heartbreaking thing to wake up to, I agree with the girls get yourself to the EPU, rest and take some time for you. We are all here for you cxxxxx

nearlyreadytopop Mon 29-Jul-13 09:58:12

so sorry salthanks wine

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alyant79 Mon 29-Jul-13 10:05:06

triplespin i wondered the same thing re morning/evening testing. I didn't come up with a good answer.
my guess would be that with the new cb digi you'd get peak fertility a day later than if you tested in the afternoon - but maybe they figure that's OK because you've had high fertility for a few days already to warn you??
I dunno.

The last two mornings I've woken up feeling very nauseous and had to retch over the toilet. I'm only 5 DPO so can't possibly be getting symptoms yet. I POAS (sorry, I know it was wicked and against the rules) yesterday just to make sure that i didn't have an ectopic brewing and it was negative as expected - phew. But what the fuck's going on? It must just be a virus or something, but it's making me very angry how will i ever detect real symptoms? grr. even dh asked me if i was pg this morning so it isn't all in my head!

sorry for the rant.

Sundance2007 Mon 29-Jul-13 10:08:45

Happy Monday everyone! (unenthusiastically)

Just caught up on the weekend's posts.... Sal, so so sorry to hear your news, how horrible and shitty.

Get yourself to the docs as soon as you can - from what I understand, after a 3rd MC, you would be referred to a mc specialist where they will start doing the blood tests - checking hormone levels, check for PCOS, endo, thyroid and progesterone levels - if your body isn't producing enough progesterone then the pg won't stick - these are the same tests I'm having done even though I've only had 1 x mc, it's been a year since we started ttc.

The good news is that you know you CAN get pg, and that is half the battle won really. Most other problems can be fixed or treated to help improve chances of going to full term. But you do need it logged on your records so get an appt as soon as you can. After the 3rd mc, and after the tests, they would start looking at other methods such as 'assisted conception', possibly even IVF, though if you haven't had a course of clomid yet, that might be something they try you on too.

Trinpy Mon 29-Jul-13 10:37:48

So sorry to hear your news sal.

kjh5 Mon 29-Jul-13 12:47:44

Oh Sal I am truly gutted for you, sending virtual hugs. I was told that after the 3rd MC you get referred to a specialist who will start investigations and tests like the other ladies have said. Here's hoping they can identify what is wrong and sort it out xx

triplespin I have been using the Boots ovpk - they are cheap and seem less confusing than the cb. They seem to work for me, you test after 11amish each day (between 11am and 3pm I think is the advice - I tend to do it between 11am and 12pm) If you get a pink line the same or darker than the control line you will be ovulating in the next 24 to 48 hours.

I fell pg on them last time (when I mc'd) and have been using them this cycle. Got a positive this weekend so we are frantically dtd. I am so hoping for a BFP in two weeks time. Saw pg friends this weekend and I hate how desperate I am to be pg again. Keep worrying the pressure I am putting on myself is going to mean a BFN in two weeks... although half of me thinks maybe that won't be a bad thing...

Aly I hope you feel better, I have had friends who have claimed MS kicked in a week before BFP... I am not sure if I really believed them at the time, but I am learning that our bodies do weird things. Here's hoping you aren't ill and this is a good sign - and the next 9 days go by really quickly!

Badhairday76 Mon 29-Jul-13 13:24:10

Aww - so sorry, Sal - thinking of you. X

NerdyBird Mon 29-Jul-13 14:39:47


Hope no-one minds me joining this thread. Bit of history: started ttc in Jan this year, had bfp in March. Sadly had mmc in April. AF took a few weeks to turn up but did so in May. No luck in June, but waiting to see if AF turns up today/tomorrow.
I have PCOS and I'm not sure I'm ovulating. Predictor kit didn't show a second line this month.
My main worries are that the first time was the one and only time it will happen for me, and that I won't be given any help to conceive because DP already has children.

Hope everyone is doing ok.

alyant79 Mon 29-Jul-13 15:40:04

hi nerdybird and welcome.
don't give up hope yet! if you got pg (although very sorry to hear about your mc) after just 2 months of ttc I think it'd be very unlikely that it won't happen again for you...

thanks kjh i'm sure I'm ill and it's not stupidly early morning sickness, but you never know. The good think about having a short luteal phase is that I don't have to wait another 9 days! i'l know that AF is late if she doesn't show by 11 DPO (12 to be on the safe side).

I have a question re temping for those experts amongst us: this month although my temps have jumped post-ov they aren't anywhere near as high as they were last cycle, they are really only a little bit above my coverline. Is it normal to have variation in post ov temps between cycles? Could it mean that A. my progesterone is low this month which would be bad, or B. that it was extra high last month (did I have two follicles on the go??) or C. none of the above and it's just normal.

So sorry, Sal. Sending you a big hug. x

AF arrived a few hours ago...bang on 6 weeks since my Ectopic. Was secretly hoping to be one of those caught straight away before a period...but was told to wait for a period before ttc anyway. Feel much better today...Cd1, a fresh start. Last few days I have been a hormonal wreck, tears...stuffing my face...all pre-af signs. (Not that it stopped me taking pregnancy tests!)

Going back to my Clearblue Fertility Monitor this month, opks and temping.

Hope everyone is okay smile


Oh and welcome NerdyBird smile

Trinpy Mon 29-Jul-13 17:39:52

Welcome nerdybird. I'm sure it won't be long until you get your bfp smile .

Overanxious sorry to hear af got you, but at least you can start a fresh cycle now.

Sundance2007 Mon 29-Jul-13 17:45:38

Hi Nerdybird, sorry you find yourself here but hopefully it won't be a long stay. (Think this month 4 on here for me now!) But it does help massively.

Aly - I haven't tried temping yet but I would say don't be surprised by anything unusual! I think it is possible to have higher levels of progesterone from one month to another, which could explain your results, but then it could be normal to fluctuate a little too.

Last day of af today, which means I have to start psyching myself up for a SMEP sesh soon. At the moment, I'd rather have a cuppa and a curly wurly than that wrong?????

Sundance2007 Mon 29-Jul-13 17:48:47

And sorry af got you Overanxious - she's such an evil witch!! Fingers crossed August is your month instead x

Sal1977 Mon 29-Jul-13 18:20:51

Back from the docs, am going for bloods on Wednesday and Friday but might just cancel them as Pg test is very feint again now this arvo. They booked me for a scan a week on Wednesday to check everything had gone and not clogging any tubes etc.

I asked the nurse practitioner about being referred and because the 1st MC was pretty much a chemical and this is only at 5 weeks, they don't really count them in with the 12weeker MMC I had in March. Seems I'll have to clock up another one before being referred...WTF???

Oh well, will be cracking a bottle of something cold this evening to soften the blow and hopefully my womb of doom will expeliamus this duffer quickly and painlessly!!

Hello to newbies and sorry to those who AF has visited, don't mind the misery of the day I.e me and lock up your syringes, cos give it a week and I'll be on a fricking mission!!! sad grin sad grin <---- my emotional state today!!

DearlyDepartedMrsFinch Mon 29-Jul-13 18:40:59

So, so sorry sal. As Aly says, small comfort I know, but at least it is all over now and you haven't got to go through a few months of gaining hope before losing the pregnancy flowers

Aly, I have just checked my temps to compare months and the upshot is is I don't know. Sorry! My graphs are pretty variable at the best of times because I tend to take my temps at random times << lazy >>. In a single cycle they can vary 0.5 degrees (F), so I can't really help. Perhaps search the forum on Fertility Friend?

My cover line can also vary by about 0.5 degrees too, so that kind of suggests that temperatures month by month can be quite variable, does it not? However, my temperatures seem a bit haywire at the moment (I have several pre-ov temps above the cover line this cycle) so who bloody knows what is happening. I suspect that if I slept well and woke at the same time every day then my graphs would calm down a bit, but no chance of that!

overanxious, pleased to hear you are seeing the arrival of AF as a new start. I will be channeling your optimism later this week when AF arrives (feeling decidedly pre-menstrual).

<<waves to nerdy >>

DearlyDepartedMrsFinch Mon 29-Jul-13 18:47:28

sal, just spotted your last post. I was told something once about being 'super-fertile'. Apparently the fact that some people have several MCs may be explained by the fact that they are mega fertile and their body accepts fertilised eggs that other wombs would perhaps reject as not good enough. Hence the poor quality egg implants but never really has a chance, IYSWIM. I may of course, be talking complete nonsense. And it's not something that you can do anything about, I guess, so not really all that helpful!

ArkadyRose Mon 29-Jul-13 19:37:57

Hello nerdy - come on in, pull up a chair, help yourself to tea and biscuits! It's a pretty friendly bunch in here. smile

I just had to fire off a rather terse email to Mothercare; I unsubscribed from their "baby & me" pregnancy updates after the mc at the start of the year, but I just got an email from them with the subject line "Not long to go now!" that opened "It won't be long until you meet your beautiful baby, or your little one may have already arrived!" My due date would have been last week. I'm glad the email didn't arrive last Monday, I'd have been a real mess instead of just pissed off.

On the upside, lots of ewcm at the moment so DP and I are frantically dtd daily. He's rather happy about that now - let's see if he's still quite so enthusiastic about it by Friday! grin

NerdyBird Mon 29-Jul-13 20:00:05

Thanks for the welcome smile

Sorry we're all here but at least there are others who understand.

I don't really have anyone to talk to about it, most people don't know and I don't like to go on about it to my partner all the time.

alyant79 Mon 29-Jul-13 20:05:59

well that's just rubbish sal that you have to have yet another mc before getting referred - can you get a second opinion on that? maybe the nurse knows bugger all.
On the other hand, perhaps they are right and the chemical and this one were just the worst kind of bad luck - I mean only 20 odd years ago you'd never even have known that you were pregnant for those two.
My point is - hopefully you've had a run of shitty luck but the next one will stick and give you a perfect, wonderful little bundle of joy.

arkady boo!! to mothercare. they suck anyway and their maternity clothes are awful.

alyant79 Mon 29-Jul-13 20:09:20

i always hit Post before i've actually finished writing eveything that I mean to. grr

Ddmf thanks for checking up on your temps for me. I naively thought they'd be pretty similar every month at least on average. silly really. At least the post-ov jump was clear and i'm sure that's the main thing.

Thatssofunny Mon 29-Jul-13 20:11:03

So sorry, sal. sad Hope it sorts itself out soon. In the meantime, you can have my remaining bottle of cider. It's been in the fridge and is really nice. grin

Tomkat79 Mon 29-Jul-13 21:50:11

So sorry sal x

katatonic Mon 29-Jul-13 21:57:07

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Penguinita Mon 29-Jul-13 22:53:39

Oh sal, what a bugger, I'm so sorry sad. Even though you knew something wasn't right it must still be really hard to go through it all again. Any chance you could go to another doctor for a second opinion on the referral?

alyant, my temps can vary quite a lot from cycle to cycle. I'm currently about 0.2 degrees above where I was this time last cycle.

I opened my new CBFM today, only to discover it needed 4 batteries. So I've scoured the house and taken all the batteries from the remote controls. Haven't told DH yet, but I'm sure it won't take him long to find out! That will be a test of his priorities grin

Misspositivity Mon 29-Jul-13 22:56:08

sal Bugger bugger bugger gutted for you. Too cruel.
ddmf. I have heard of that too. I think it applies to me. I am basically an embryo tart Any embryo will do.

Well folks my step sister has just informed me that it is ok if I can't have another one because I am happy with one and much worse for her as she is starting ivf and quite a bit older. Do you know what I don't envy her journey I hope it works out for her but I don't compare her situation to mine. My longing for a 2nd child is not just for me but for my DD and my DP. I want to have a second child no more or no less than when I tried for my first. I don't know if it is easier because I already have a child, I have nothing to compare. I do know it hurts and I really don't need it belittled. Rant over!!! Sorry about that couldn't stop myself!!!!
nerdy welcome and sorry your here.

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DearlyDepartedMrsFinch Tue 30-Jul-13 07:21:01

I can see both sides missP and Kat. And I think any miscarriage/infertility situation regardless of the circumstances is terribly difficult. But, it is sad that we all still have the tendency to silently play oneupmanship - my MC was worse than yours because it happened later etc. As Kat says, we can all be very blinkered and selfish these days unsurprisingly

Well, I'm 13DPO and my temperature took a nosedive this morning so I guess AF will be here tomorrow or Thursday sad
I guess the cramping on DPO8 and DPO9 was just a cruel joke. Raaaaagh!

DearlyDepartedMrsFinch Tue 30-Jul-13 07:24:28

PS I have two DC missP and I can completely remember that burning desire to give my child a sibling (in fact I'd say we had DC1 for us, but we had DC2 for DC1, IYSWIM).

triplespin Tue 30-Jul-13 08:34:40

Thanks all on sharing collective wisdom re ovpks. I still have a week to go before I start testing, so we'll see how it goes.

aly can't help with the temperature charts. I've just started mine but the main difficulty I am having is that I'm v. stressed about having 3 hours minimum sleep before I wake up (I normally don't sleep through the night) and then worry if I move around too much in bed or stretch my arms to turn on the light, it will affect my reading. I know i'm taking it too the extreme, but its really affecting my sleep. I'll probably wait till I ovulate but then will stop after that. Your symptoms sounds promising - you never know ! will you be POAS this Friday?

I can see both sides to it as well. We want DC1 to have a sibling and that's the main motivation for us. After the mc I did feel happier knowing that at least I have one and even if I don't have another it would be ok as I know many single child families (by choice). Maybe it was a way to make myself feel better about the situation.

Is it just me or is everyone on the train, streets and at work pregnant ! doesn't really help.

ddmm sorry about the temp nose dive .. I hope its a wrong reading smile

DearlyDepartedMrsFinch Tue 30-Jul-13 08:54:51

triple, my charts are all over the place because I don't sleep well, too. The best chart I ever had was when I fell pregnant the second time, and that was textbook. Possibly due to the fact that I was setting my alarm for 5, taking my temperature, and then going back to sleep for a while. Too lazy for that nowadays! I'm sure as long as you are seeing low pre-ov temperatures followed by higher post-ov temperatures, then you should be able to pick out your ovulation day (however, I use a CBFM too, just to be sure (Project Desperate TM)).

alyant79 Tue 30-Jul-13 09:22:57

triplespin try not to stress out about the temp taking. I wouldn't worry about the 3 hrs sleep if I were you. I normally take my temp between 6:30 and 7, and if I wake up unexpectedly at 6am I take it then - but if I wake up for some reason at 4am, I just take it when I wake up again at normal time and dont worry that it hasn't been 3 hrs. I don't think a tiny little wake up is going to affect anything - and in fact you might even get more consistent readings if you take away the stress.

But wait and see what you think after you ov. My temps were quite erratic for the first week of so of my cycle and I wondered if I'd ever see the post ov jump. But when it came it was really clear and made the rest of the wobbles look small - so hang in there and try to relax.

DDMF BUGGER! for the temp dive.

missp that was quite an insensitive thing for your SIL to say. everyone's journey is different and while it's true that having a DC already is probably a bit comforting that doesn't mean that this isn't a horrible, horrible journey. I suspect the raw emotional pain of a mc is the same whether or not you already have a dc.
maybe a long ttc journey is worse if you don't already have kid/s but the miscarriage itself and the following months are awful either way and shouldn't be belittled.

Trinpy Tue 30-Jul-13 11:00:23

missp Imo it's not so much about whether you have children or how many you have but about how attached youve become to the thought of the child you haven't had yet, iyswim. I could never give up hope of having one child because I've emotionally invested too much in the idea and it would break my heart if it could never happen. I imagine it would be the same for others who wanted a second child just as badly. Otoh, mc/infertility does make people selfish and jealous, and I can understand way your sil's feelings too - though it wasn't fair for her to say that to you.

Did another digi test this morning and the numbers have gone up from 1-2 to 2-3 so I'm daring to let myself believe that this one might be a sticky. Still hanging round here though just incase my luck runs out.

kjh5 Tue 30-Jul-13 12:19:46

Welcome Nerdy - sorry you are here but I have found it immensely helpful to chat to a really supportive bunch of people who know exactly how you feel.

Triple the temp thing did not work for me I wondered if it might be because I work nights and therefore my temp was totally screwed up anyway...although hearing you all talk about it I am tempted to give it another try - ovpk are expensive.

Just starting the 2WW (1DPO) any tips for getting through without going mad/POAS every other day just incase you get an early BFP?

kjh5 Tue 30-Jul-13 12:21:11

Trinpy happy news! Fingers and toes crossed for you here - hoping for a sticky one

ArkadyRose Tue 30-Jul-13 12:24:28

I ordered some OPK test strips yesterday (never used them before but figure hey, why not) but I suspect I won't get to use them this cycle - lots of ewcm all yesterday & this morning, and for the past hour I've been getting one-sided cramping so I suspect I'm actually ovulating on CD9. If I'm right, that means I'll be into the 2ww by Thursday. Not entirely sure though, as after 4 mc I no longer fully trust what my body's telling me and can't be certain what I think I feel is just what I want to feel instead of what I actually feel, if that makes any sense?

NerdyBird Tue 30-Jul-13 12:56:52

I'm fairly certain AF is going to arrive today, there were signs this morning sad

Fingers crossed for you Trinpy, hope things continue to look positive!

Am trying to look on the brightside and think that at least my cycles seem to be tracking fairly regularly around 35 days. I was on the pill for ages so I've only had a few natural ones to go by. Still don't know if I'm ovulating though. Sticks didn't show a surge but was confused on which days to test. Had some pains around one of the possible times but didn't know if that was just coincidence!


alyant79 Tue 30-Jul-13 13:07:21

kjh5 trying to stick to the friday poas rule helps with restraint!

I think working nights would make it hard to do temping, but I guess it's all to do with consistency. Taking your temp as soon as you wake up should work, regardless of the time of day. But if you've constantly got messed up sleeping patterns due to your working hours then i'd say it'd be tough. Still, what's the harm in trying?

arkady i know what you mean, I feel like i'm so attuned to every little sensation in my abdomen and am constantly ascribing a meaning to them - no doubt it's mostly just wind! blush

trinpy the emotional attachment to the lost child describes it exactly! When my DH was struggling to understand how upset I was after mc I told him to imagine losing our DD. Obviously that would be worse, but it's on the same spectrum. I felt like i'd lost not just an embryo, but an entire possible life together because i had.

Sal1977 Tue 30-Jul-13 13:25:02

I think today must be the big moving out day here in Salspantsland. Of course I am upset that it wasn't a sticky, but having only had a few days to process a BFP, the attachment wasn't there like the 12 weeker, so it's actually a bit like a science experiment in my bathroom at the moment. Looking at temps and line strengths and gloopy gunk exiting the arena other things its pretty fascinating to be honest.

I'm also grateful that it only took 3 (4 if you count the WTF) cycles to get a BFP rather than the 6+ last time. It gives me hope that I might get a sticky by the end of the year!

I read something VERY Interesting whilst sitting on the loo about Ibuprofen causing temporary infertility. It was actually on the leaflet inside the box of tablets. If you want me to type it out, I will do I'll be 'sitting' around a fair bit today.

kjh5 Tue 30-Jul-13 13:29:24

Nerdy I know cycles can be a bit messed up for a while after mc but have you thought about asking your GP for a blood test to see if you are ovulating? If AF arrives sad and you have your cycle worked out then a good time to see your GP as they should know which day to test. I had this done and was reassured everything was ok. Friend who was having a rubbishy 40-day cycle discovered she wasn't ovulating and was put on clomid to help with that... now has lovely DS.

Thanks aly - was just thinking that I need to try and rein in the desperation/obsession with wanting to fall pg again. Just 6 weeks ago I was telling some close friends we were thinking of trying and it would be great if I was pg by the end of next year but we were totally relaxed about it. That seems like a lifetime ago. Since mc I find I am thinking about it 24/7 - it is like someone flipped my biological clock to the 'on switch'.

So (pep talk to self) will behave as if next two weeks are just leading up to af and try not think every cramp/twinge/vague feeling of almost nausea is a sign of being pg... this is totally going to work

katatonic Tue 30-Jul-13 13:31:24

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ArkadyRose Tue 30-Jul-13 14:20:52

Sal Interesting about the ibuprofen - I know the reason it's a no-no when pregnant is because it works on inflammation by reducing bloodflow to the area, which in the first trimester would restrict bloodflow to the womb lining and hinder implantation, and later on it impedes the function of the placenta.

kjh5 Tue 30-Jul-13 14:24:10

sal hugs... this was almost the worst for me - although at the same time strangely comforting because the inevitable had finally happened, glad you can take some comfort in the sciencey bit. On the Ibuprofen front... I was taking some at the very beginning of last pg because I thought stomach cramps were a symptom of AF (didn't realise I was preggers). When I told my GP she was somewhat horrified, told me to stop taking them immediately, anti-inflamatories not good for ensuring the fertilised ovum implants properly apparently... interesting to hear about the infertility warning too

Sal1977 Tue 30-Jul-13 14:44:53

Here we go....

"Ibuprofen tablets belong to a group of medicines which may impair fertility in women. This effect is reversible on stopping the medicine. It is unlikely that ibuprofen tablets, used occasionally will affect your chances of becoming pregnant, however, tell your doctor before taking this medicine if you are having problems when trying to become pregnant."

Interesting stuff!

NerdyBird Tue 30-Jul-13 14:54:42

Hi kjh

I think you are right, a trip to the GP might be useful. Unfortunately I am about to move so will have to register with a new one first. Will also read up about what I might be able to do to encourage it naturally

alyant79 Tue 30-Jul-13 15:06:43

good sal. hope it is all over quickly. tbh i found inspecting what came out interesting even with the attachment/devastation of a 12 weeker! it was quite fascinating.

off to through all ibuprofen in the bin

alyant79 Tue 30-Jul-13 15:06:53

throw even

ArkadyRose Tue 30-Jul-13 17:23:05

This looks like a useful list of medications to avoid and gives the reasons why. I had no idea we should be avoiding antihistimines when ttc! It's not just ibuprofen we should be watching out for.

cosmickitten Tue 30-Jul-13 17:48:35

Sal I'm so sorry to see your news x

fod27 Tue 30-Jul-13 18:02:19

Oh guys what sad reading that was ;( hope you have all found some posifrickintivity recently

TMI alert
I've gone from constipation to soft stools and nausea, should I be concerned about my change in bowel movements as this happened last time I MC ;(

Sal1977 Tue 30-Jul-13 18:42:07

I would say its a good thing Fod, ie your bowels are on the move again and nausea is good too.

In my expert ahem opinion and experience:

Blood loss = bad/not normal
Anything else = good/normal

Misspositivity Tue 30-Jul-13 19:33:34

Do you know what I am probably being over sensitive and a bit selfish so not going to think about conversation with step sister again.
sal you are pretty amazing and sound so positive about things.

Temping is really not going well for me. All over the place and no ovulation confirmed and we Are on cd19. Had poss opk on cd 16. Stopped taking b6 as read article not to use unless bloods confirm short luteal phase can cause more bad than good. Dosen't really matter as DP away for 2 weeks so def no 2 ww for me this month.

Interesting re ibrubrofen. Copies alyant and throws my ibrubrofen with codeine in bin. Sniff sniff great for period pain.

fod sounds good to me.

I am stripping it back next month no poas no smep no additional features just plain bonking ever other day fro
Cd12 - cd20 that should do it. Might still temp as need to do something.

Penguinita Tue 30-Jul-13 20:40:20

Antihistamines! Bloody hell, I've been taking them every day for the last month for hayfever. No wonder it was a bfn this cycle! Thanks ladies, I'm off to empty my medicine cabinet into the bin smile

I get to POAS tomorrow for the first time with my CBFM. Very excited! Slightly nervous about doing it wrong though and messing up my readings for the rest of the cycle. Any tips on what to/not to do?

Floweroct Tue 30-Jul-13 21:14:12

sal sorry to hear your news

Af arrived for me today so its now 2 years ttc #1, with 1 mmc to show for it! Feeling a bit bleurgh so eating chocolate and now going to throw away any ibuprofen!

Floweroct Tue 30-Jul-13 21:15:04

And for some reason watching obem cos that's going to make me happier isn't it!!

alyant79 Tue 30-Jul-13 22:04:07

flower stay away from obem! it's banned in this household unless i'm feeling like a good cry sesh.
and sorry for AF's arrival. i'll bitch-slap her for you.

liking the sound of the new stripped back plan missp

fod i've got no idea. stay positive!

fod27 Tue 30-Jul-13 22:11:05

Thanks guys, also I'm getting a dull ache in my lower back.... Please tell me it's not the start of something awful?

Sal1977 Tue 30-Jul-13 22:56:06

fod ...... You need to go get busy doing something girl! You're stewing unnecessarily and are going to drive yourself insane over the next 7-8 weeks! Lol!

Back ache is super normal, feeling sick is super dooper normal, squitty or bunged up bum is super dooper pooper normal!!

Your mission is to distract yourself every day until your 12 week scan. If you run out if things to do, I'll come and pick you up, cos my house looks like a bomb has hit it!

Mwah, you're doing great honey bunch! Xxx

BlackberryandNettle Tue 30-Jul-13 23:24:37

Hi everyone, not been around for a month as so fed up when last af came as it was a year after first positive and I thought I had symptoms. Anyway am now at the end of the next wierdly short 23 dayer and I have a tentative bfp... It is fairly faint despite being 16 dpo today but I've already seen the gp this morning to get on record and lobby for an early scan this time which she agreed. Happy but nervous and keep going to loo checking for af.

Sorry to hear the sad news on here and everything crossed for everybody waiting.

fod27 Tue 30-Jul-13 23:35:51

Hahaaa thanks sal your a diamond as ever! Been on google, texting friends, even a friend that's a midwife (she's not my midwife) I think I've convinced myself it will happen again. I've even researched the possibility of reoccurring MMC etc, DF has threatened to disconnect the Internet if I continue but I'm a answers kinda girl lol.... Dontcha just wish there was a little glass door on our uterus like a real oven so that we could check on our buns development??

Hi Black the ladies are all fab here, hope your well, crossing my fingers for a sticky bean for you xxxx

NerdyBird Wed 31-Jul-13 00:43:51

Updating as I rarely seem to be able to get to sleep at a reasonable hour these days. Was convinced that by tonight AF would have fully kicked in, but it has not. Have had a little brownish discharge but not lots. Don't know whether to be a bit hopeful or if I'm just randomly on a longer cycle.

Don't want to waste a test but I am not the patient sort! Not sure if getting bfn and still having to wait for AF would be worse than just waiting.

Guess I'll see if anything changes overnight.

Glad to hear some hopeful news Blackberry.

Ellebee78 Wed 31-Jul-13 02:59:41

Hello everyone, I'm new to mumsnet but feel like I could do with some chit chat with other like minded people.
I've been ttc my first since July 2012. I knew it would be a lengthy process as I have pcos. Got my first bfp in Oct 2012 and had a mmc in December. Had another mc in Feb but this time I didn't actually know I was pg although this one seemed to upset me more for some reason.
I'm now on metformin which looks like it's working for me as I had my first ever 31 day cycle and I ovulated this month when I should have.

I'm so scared of getting my next bfp (keeping optomistic) and even though they mc's were ages ago they still really upset me.

Some sad reading on here and some interesting advice, especially regarding the ibruprofen. I knew you weren't supposed to take it when you were pg but not before and didn't know the reasons why. They will now be crossed off my list.

katatonic Wed 31-Jul-13 08:09:48

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NerdyBird Wed 31-Jul-13 08:12:40

Hi Ellebee

I'm fairly new too, and I have pcos. Sorry you've had a hard time but hopefully things are going betterr for you now.

Do you mind if I ask about metformin? I've heard of it but not really sure what it does or how it works.


alyant79 Wed 31-Jul-13 08:46:55

haha sal you make me laugh. I'm going to remember that post when i'm going crazy playing the waiting game.

fod did you manage to arrange for an early scan?

hi again blackberry and woo!!!!! Fx this one stays around for good.

welcome ellebee and sorry that you're here. If you don't mind me asking, how did you know that you had a mc in feb if you didn't know that you were pg?

kata that is completely rubbish that the hospital lost your bloods. Grr!!! Also I'm sorry for your lumpy boob, but hang in there! It could be a false alarm. Wedding overseas sounds awesome! I hope you're going somewhere fab.

nerdy did AF arrive? Hope not.

Trinpy Wed 31-Jul-13 08:59:20

fod you sound as paranoid as I am! I just spent an hour long driving lesson worrying myself sick because I have af cramps and lower back ache. I was actually considering asking my instructor if I could pull over so I could discretely knicker-check* blush .

Relax. We are doing fine. Everything is ok.

And I think they should invent an affordable at-home ultrasound kit that works from 4 weeks.

* obviously meant checking my own knickers, not the instructors!

Trinpy Wed 31-Jul-13 09:00:39

Hello to ellebelle and congratulations to blackberry!

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NerdyBird Wed 31-Jul-13 10:19:54

Morning all

Not much change but have some slight cramp-like twinges. So still not really sure what is up.

Have decided I will just assume it is AF starting and proceed as normal. Trying very hard not to think about it too much - am busy at work and also packing to move at the weekend so you'd think I could distract myself but apparently not...

Have a good day everyone

kjh5 Wed 31-Jul-13 13:25:07

Mornin' ladies (well its morning for me --sips coffee, munches blueberry muffin--). Waves to ellebelle and blackberry - welcome! Here's hoping for one sticky bean and another BFP coming your way soon.

Nerdy my last pg the symptoms in the run up were exactly the same as AF symptoms - so I was mega hormonal and frustrated because AF was not making an appearance - which was no help at all!

TMI/Gross question alert:
Does anyone here monitor ovulation by the discharge method? I had a positive pink line on my cheapo Boots ovpk on Sunday morning - DH and I dtd on Sat/Sun/Mon but nothing last night as tbh I was bloody knackered. Anyway stretchy egg-white discharge made an appearance today... so does anyone know if that means whether I have ovulated/ am about to ovulate or will ovulate? I had assumed it had already happened because Boots says a positive test means ov will happen in next 24/48hours.

Basically I am wondering whether it was a mistake not to jump on DH last night and whether we may need to try not fall asleep while dtd tonight?

fod27 Wed 31-Jul-13 13:48:53

Hi elle sorry to hear what a awful year you have had, hang in there at least they are doing something now zxx

trinpy are you also having the lower back ache?? That's really worrying me

Ellebee78 Wed 31-Jul-13 13:57:22

Hi alyant, I knew I'd had a mc because I felt something pass out of me and when I went to the toilet there was tissue like stuff in my underwear. I kept it because I was worried it was left over from my previous mc and took it to my obgyn the next day. She sent it off to the lab and they confirmed it was a pregnancy sack. Plus it was heavier than my normal af.

NerdyBird, metformin doesn't work for everyone. Some people who have pcos have problems regulating insulin in the body (not sure why) The body produces too much and in turn then causes the body to produce too much testosterone causing irregular periods or affecting your ovulation. Hope this helps. I spoke to one GP at home (I'm not in the UK at the moment) and she said they don't always like to give it as it's not proven to work. I think it all depends on your Dr.

Thank you for all the welcomes. It may take me time to get used to this forum, I don't normally use them so need to figure out how it all works.

Sal1977 Wed 31-Jul-13 14:20:36

Aahhh, that's how Metformin works! I was wondering as my male gay neighbour takes it for diabetes!

alyant79 Wed 31-Jul-13 14:20:44

kjh5 i reckon if you've got ewcm you should go for it tonight if you can. it's meant to be one of the best fertility signs. But don't worry about missing last night as every second day is meant to be enough.

thanks ellebee. sorry for being nosey. blush

cosmickitten Wed 31-Jul-13 14:31:41

Hello Ellebee and congratulations blackberry.

We have decided to go with the just shagging approach this month. I honestly don't fell up to the stress of temping and ovulation poas. Also if it takes 14 months like last time I think having things to try later will help mentally.

On a more positive note I'm 2/3 of the way to shedding the misery lbs gained posted mmc. So feeling virtuous and healthier.

Ellebee78 Wed 31-Jul-13 14:40:43

Yep, metformin is primarily a drug for diabetes. I think it was one of those accidental discoveries. (might be totally wrong though)

No problem alyant, nothing wrong with being a bit nosey.

cosmickitten just going for it is a good plan. Try to enjoy it too, I'm sure that helps smile

Trinpy Wed 31-Jul-13 15:17:57

fod yeah I've had lower back pain ache and horrible af-like cramps since my bfp. Its so worrying isn't it? But I've googled extensively and it seems to be perfectly normal and just 'growing pains'. I also remember that with the last pregnancy I had similar but it stopped a few days before I mc, so I'm taking it as a sign that the baby is still alive and well smile .

kjh5 Ewcm usually comes before ovulation but sometimes it can show up just after, so it can be misleading. My plan has always been to dtd (if possible) whenever any signs point to ovulation. Then bases are covered. But if you've been dtd loads recently anyway, I'm sure you'll be fine.

fod27 Wed 31-Jul-13 15:19:42

Thanks trinpy how far along are you now?

Thatssofunny Wed 31-Jul-13 15:28:53

katatonic we are off to Germany for our wedding next week, too. I'm a bit worried about my wedding dress being rather thick. Just hope it cools down a little. It's supposed to be about 36 degrees on the weekend.

My pregnancy test is still coming up positive, three weeks after mc. I wasn't even that far along and this is starting to worry and irritate me now. Lower back and ribs are still hurting, and they've done so since I was about 4 weeks along...

alyant79 Wed 31-Jul-13 15:49:11

thatssofunny call your EPU if you've still got a pos pg test after three weeks. I did too, and they brought me in for a scan and it turned out i had retained products that needed to be dealt with. I very VERY much hope that's not the case for you but you should get checked out just in case. Better to be safe than sorry.

well done on the weight loss cosmic! I, on the other hand, just ate a kitkat chunky. So naughty. I didn't even enjoy it all that much so why did i eat it confused?

katatonic Wed 31-Jul-13 15:59:10

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Sundance2007 Wed 31-Jul-13 16:01:43

Hi to newbies, sorry you find yourselves here.

Just gone through some lady posts I missed - will be throwing out the medicine box later.

Congratulations blackberry - fx its a sticky bean, I'm sure it will be fine.

Cosmic - I'm going for the same approach this month. I've started to really feel the pressure I was putting myself under and it was just becoming too much. I cried for ages last week when af arrived.

Still, every other day sounds like a chore and a half, but part of me is resigned to the fact there might be something wrong and until tests come back to prove it, I'm not going to invest so much this cycle in hoping for a bfp.

Spent the weekend at our friends who have a newborn - i managed to keep it together but the envy was there. Sorry, I sound morbid today, just a bit low, need to snap out of it!!!!'

Sundance2007 Wed 31-Jul-13 16:02:41

Lady posts = latest posts!! Haha

Thatssofunny Wed 31-Jul-13 16:12:28

aly and katatonic I had been to EPU last week and already got a follow-up appointment for tomorrow, because my levels aren't dropping as they should. Had internal scan, but apparently all had been "flushed out" right at the beginning and there was nothing to see. She was a bit confused that my lining was apparently quite thick, but I've had "AF" between last appointment and now, so hopefully it's not an issue anymore. Line is a lot fainter than it was last week. First it doesn't want to stick, then it doesn't want to go. Typical.

I'm German, so I'm not usually bothered about the heat. Find it quite funny that people here start to complain as soon as it hits about 25 degrees. However, my dress is quite thick and the wedding is outside...oh we'll, there's space for some ice packs in my boobs and pants. grin

fod27 Wed 31-Jul-13 16:27:56

trinpy spoke to my midwife and she said unless your having pain or burning whilst urinating not to worry, she advised a paracetamol, rest and maintaining a correct posture... Hope that helps, I too have googled and apparently from 5-7wks it's very common and it's to si with ligaments

Trinpy Wed 31-Jul-13 16:49:37

I'm only 4+1 I think shock . Really hard to say for sure though because I had delayed ovulation.

I keep thinking that if my cramps are still here next week I could go to my gp and ask for an early ultrasound the following week (so when I'm 6 weeks). Problem is that I have my appointment with the fertility clinic that week and I want to keep hold of it just in case we mc (which is what happened last time). Also I start my new job that week and I'll be working in the same area of the hospital where they do all the scans - so all my colleagues will see. It would be so reassuring to see/hear a heartbeat though.

Penguinita Wed 31-Jul-13 20:11:42

Lol at sundance's lady posts and trinpy checking the instructor's knickers grin !

And a big welcome to the newbies.

Metformin is one of these drugs that is used for a few things. Same with methotrexate that they use for medical management of ectopic pregnancies - that is actually used as chemotherapy to treat cancer and also to treat arthritis. I worked on a clinical trial where we treated people with head and neck cancer with methotrexate, but at much higher doses. I was really shocked when the doctor suggested I might need to take it for a suspected ectopic!

Yes, well done on the weight loss cosmic, any tips would be most welcome...

My CBFM said I was at high fertility today, but it is the first time I've used it and 10 days before I usually ovulate. Is that normal on the first cycle? (Can me and DH cope with a ten day shagathon??)

katatonic Wed 31-Jul-13 20:21:44

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NerdyBird Wed 31-Jul-13 20:27:14

Thanks for the metformin info ellebee

I wasn't sure if it was for hormones or not. I know it can be used for diabetes, so what you've said about insulin makes sense.

Had slight crampy pains earlier, but not much and certainly not needing a painkiller. Not sure about bleeding as have used tampax
When I was pg before, the only indication I had that anything was wrong was brown discharge similar to what I have now, so I'm wondering if something is going on, but going wrong?

Tomorrow I have a work thing and may not be able to avoid having a glass of champagne. It's a day out plus I just got promoted, so bit of a celebration. Can't think of a good excuse! And of course, don't even know if I need to worry about that!

Right, I'm off to do some long-avoided packing!

Ooh, sorry if I'm wittering on or being a bit TMI. Just need to get it all out of my head

katatonic Wed 31-Jul-13 20:42:38

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alyant79 Wed 31-Jul-13 21:43:36

what kat says is good advice. However if you do have a glass or two and DO turn out to be preggers it won't make any difference.

When I got pregnant with DD (but before I knew) I was due to go away for a skiing weekend with some friends about the time AF was due - I did a pg test the day we left and it came up neg so of course i participated fully in the apres ski. I also got some light bleeding so was convinced that my period had arrive. Fast forward another three weeks and i suddenly vomited one morning - turned out i was pregnant!
DD is perfectly fine with no ill affects from that drinking episode or any of the others in those three following weeks when i thought i was safe to drink
the worries about drinking during pregnancy are valid if you are a heavy drinker but the odd glass here and there won't hurt a fly

NerdyBird Wed 31-Jul-13 22:10:29

Thanks kat and aly

work thing is a lunch, and it's just our small team so won't be able to hide it. But that is a good tip for future events! I have been on team lunches before and not drunk alcohol so it wouldn't be totally unusual, but we have all been saying how nice it will be to have champagne.
Might just have to say too hot to drink as it's meant to be scorching.

Or it might all be frustrating!

fod27 Wed 31-Jul-13 22:31:13

nerdy I have the same issue I'm 6 weeks but I get married in 2 plus I have a hen do so I've opted for the "I'm on antibiotics" approach lol never fails xx

fod27 Wed 31-Jul-13 22:32:10

Also now have a private scan booked on the 14th so at least I'll have some kind of piece of mind one way or the other

Penguinita Wed 31-Jul-13 22:52:57

Thanks for the CBFM info kat, that has put my mind at rest! I might give DH the odd night off then grin

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ArkadyRose Wed 31-Jul-13 23:30:46

We've been at it like bunnies since Sunday; tonight we both realised we're too tired to do it again tonight! Think this is 2DPO though, so if it's going to work it's done it already, and if not then tonight wouldn't have made any difference. Just the 2ww now and second-guessing every little twinge.

kjh5 Thu 01-Aug-13 01:00:46

Wow loads to catch up in at the end of my work shift...

Arkady I'm in exactly the same boat as you. Think I'm 1/2DPO and stuck in 2WW now... 14 days has never seemed like such a long period of time. I'm not sure we dtd enough - which is ridiulous because we had three ttc sessions over four days pre-ov.

And (moan alert!) tonight I'm knackered, grumpy, have sore boobs, nausea and tummy twinges... Clearly it's totally psychosomatic!

Thatssofunny and fod how lovely you have weddings to look forward to! Mine was four months ago and I loved every minute of it. I hope you make lots of happy memories!

sundance I was around 2 pg friends and two babies this weekend and I was all about the posifrickintivity while I drank a bottle of wine and then had breakdown to DH when we got home about how gutting it all was - so I totally empathise with you. Guess we just have to believe we'll get there!

nerdy huge congrats on your promotion! Nice to hear some good news smile at least you have prior history on the not drinking so should be able to get through lunch!

alyant79 Thu 01-Aug-13 09:11:27

I'm very excited about the upcoming weddings!
yay for fod and thatssofunny

also fod i'm glad to hear that you've booked a scan to put your mind at rest. Sorry that you had to pay for it though.

my temp was stable for a few days but started creeping up again the last couple of days. Chances are it's just a blip but I can't help thinking that maybe its good news and i'm preggo... I told DH this morning and he said, quite rightly, not to get my hopes up. It's so hard not to though. I think i'll poas tomorrow even though it's too early - i'm going OS for a week on sunday without DH so if possible i'd like an answer before I go.

kjh5 Thu 01-Aug-13 12:15:53

Fingers crossed for you Aly - I figured out the absolute earliest I can expect a BFP is next Friday won't admit I'll be POAS tomorrow anyway

fod27 Thu 01-Aug-13 17:07:35

Awwww thanks ladies that's sooo lovely of you, just hope the scan gives us a big something extra to smile about on the day.

Can I ask (probably a stupid question) is there a difference between a MMC and a MC? Other than the obvious?

cosmickitten Thu 01-Aug-13 17:25:35

Fod as far I understand a missed miscarriage is normally found at scan. Often the baby has died a week or earlier but the mother has no signs. In my case a scan at 11 1/2 weeks showed growth had stopped at 8 1/2 weeks. Other than decline in morning sickness I still had pregnancy syptoms throughout that time (was still sick just less so).

I think for alot of ladies their body simply don't registered the baby has died. Hence the 'missed' miscarriage as the body doesn't naturally miscarry for some time. It can take some time a natural misscarriage to take place ( sometimes several weeks) Many people opt for or need medical help for that stage. It is not stupid question 2 months ago I had no idea what mmc was.

Thatssofunny Thu 01-Aug-13 17:35:05

Right, any ideas on how I can get my hcg levels down,...other than the obvious? They're just not dropping as they should. sad I don't wanna go to hospital,...I don't like hospitals.

cosmickitten Thu 01-Aug-13 17:45:22

Thatssofunny I'm sorry I really don't have any ideas. I'm sorry that things are not settling down for you.

cosmickitten Thu 01-Aug-13 17:52:31

Fod just seen your having a scan soon. I know it's easier said than done but please don't get too freaked out by the nightmare situations. After the worst has happened before it must be so so scary. But the it so much more likely that everything will fine than not (all impossible to hold onto after being in the awful unlucky minority). You will have a lovely wee image of your baby and knowledge all is well for your wedding xxx

Aly feeling excited re your temps will be keeping everything crossed ( well excepted legs :-) )

fod27 Thu 01-Aug-13 18:58:22

Thank you cosmic that was very reassuring

I wondered if there was any more or less chance of a MMC reoccurring???.... I'm sure I'm asking stupid questions but it was my first MC and I'm just trying to get my head around things

NerdyBird Thu 01-Aug-13 19:03:31

Hi everyone

Not much has changed for me, still have the brown stuff and about 2 drops of blood. Only needed 1 tampax per day and probably could have just used liners.

So now I am wondering if it just a really light or slow starting period? I had something similar in January, but that was my first one after stopping the Pill so assumed it was due to my cycle not being back to normal. After that I was pg and then had the mmc. Next one was quite heavy as first after mmc, but last month was fairly normal. Perhaps it is just part of what is normal for me?

I've been reading about implantation bleeding as when I spoke to a dr before she said my light January period could have been that. But opinion seems divided about what is IB and what isn't.

Might POAS tomorrow anyway, at least it'll be one less thing to pack!

How is everyone else doing?

SeasideLily Thu 01-Aug-13 19:28:05

Hi NerdyBird, have you had any other symptoms? Only, and I really don't mean to freak you out at all (the chances are literally 1/100), but the first symptoms of my ectopic that I had was brown discharge rather than a proper period. I'd be tempted to POAS tomorrow, though I'm sure it's not that, it just rung a bell for me. Sorry to bring it up, it's not very positive I know, it's just better to be safe than sorry maybe?

ArkadyRose Thu 01-Aug-13 19:47:17

fod I've had 4 mc, and to be honest there seems to be no rhyme or reason to them. I had DD1 in 1992, DD2 in 1994, mc1 in 1996, mc2 in 2003, DD3 in 2007, mc3 in Sept 2012 and mc4 in Jan 2013 - one straight after the other. My youngest sister has had 8 mc, and she says some came one after the other, others happened in between successful pregnancies (she has 3 girls). My mother had 10 mc with no successful pregnancies until she had me - then she went on to have 3 other children after me, and the only one she had problems with was my brother - she nearly lost him so many times and spent the last 3 months of that pg on complete bed rest. We suspect there's a genetic problem in our family that means we're not capable of having boys. I'm still waiting to find out the results of the analysis from mc4, and I'm expecting them to tell me it was a boy.

Bear in mind that they reckon 1 in 3 pg end in mc, most before 6 weeks, anyway, and that they can only find a reason for mc in very few cases. Having one mc doesn't mean the next one will also end in mc though.

NerdyBird I think in your position I'd just go ahead and poas anyway - at least then you'd know, one way or another. It's got to be better than worrying and second-guessing.

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omama Thu 01-Aug-13 20:40:43

Hi ladies

Not been on for a while so just checking in. Nice to see a few people have happy news smile- so congrats & hope these beans stay sticky.

Its been almost 6wks since my mmc & am still waiting for af to put in an appearance. Having a few symptoms so secretly hoping its bc I'm pregnant, but trying not to get my hopes up too much, in case its just signs of impending af. Though since its friday tomorrow i could poas.....

fod27 Thu 01-Aug-13 20:50:16

ark im so sorry to hear that you've had such a shitty time of it! No woman should have to go through that, especially your poor mother ;,(

NerdyBird Thu 01-Aug-13 21:46:36

seasidelily you haven't scared me, when i was first having the discharge before my mmc the dr mentioned ectopic pregnancy so i know this can be a sign. I don't have any other signs, ectopic or otherwise. I'm tired, but I think that's because I'm not sleeping very well at the moment.

Definitely going to take yours and arkady's advice and POAS in the morning. I'm off work so at least I will have time to process whatever result I get.

ArkadyRose Thu 01-Aug-13 21:56:40

fod Aww, thanks. Mostly we're all fairly pragmatic about it, but sometimes it does get to me a bit - particularly since the GP suggested I may be perimenopausal at only 40, so there's this sense that time is running out. But this thread does help a lot, and I can't do more than I've already done to get pg on this cycle. What happens now is beyond my control, so I just have to be patient. I've gotten fairly good at that bit - mostly.

alyant79 Thu 01-Aug-13 22:15:51

Arkady, wow. That's a lot of sadness sad

Nerdy, poas tomorrow for sure. Well done on restraining yourself so far

alyant79 Thu 01-Aug-13 22:19:08

Sorry, phone didn't update. Kat have a fantabulous time at the wedding.
Omama good luck with the poas tomorrow

fod27 Thu 01-Aug-13 22:34:07

ark no one can deny that your clearly a woman of true strength, my heart goes out to you, I admire you courage and feel somewhat ridiculous for my list of repetitive questions and minor worries especially as I'm 30 and have 2 children (one of each) and only suffered one MMC.... You have left me feeling humbled and appreciative of all I have.

FX for a BFP for a incredibly brave woman ;)

Penguinita Thu 01-Aug-13 23:09:46

Good luck to the POASers tomorrow! The signs are looking good, lets have some posifrickingtivity !

I'm off to the south coast tomorrow on holiday, hopefully the promised hotel wifi will work so I can check for good news...

katatonic Fri 02-Aug-13 06:10:14

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fedupofrainydays Fri 02-Aug-13 06:35:56

You can... I bought some cb ones in boots. Good luck!!

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Bootyluscious Fri 02-Aug-13 07:26:37

Hey Fod - congrats! How's your brother doing? Better I hope?

cosmickitten Fri 02-Aug-13 07:58:51

Oh Kat how wonderful !

Penguinita Fri 02-Aug-13 08:00:45

Ooh how exciting kat! Could you be our first mile high POAS? grin

NerdyBird Fri 02-Aug-13 08:05:30

Great news Kat, keep us posted!

Going to do mine in a bit. Brown stuff has stopped now. No idea what's going on!

triplespin Fri 02-Aug-13 08:08:33

Omg kat !!!
Good luck aly are you poas this morning too? The temp rise sounds promising.

Sorry I haven't been around much. Just been super busy at work but have been following everyone's updates.

triplespin Fri 02-Aug-13 08:15:01

Good luck nerdy

SeasideLily Fri 02-Aug-13 08:36:28

Good luck Nerdy, crossing fingers for you. Glad I didn't scare you, I was so worried I checked the thread at gone midnight when I came in from a work do!

Congrats Kat, that's a wonderful way to pass the time in an airport, how exciting!

AF due today. POAS Wed (sorry) because DH left for 2 weeks so wanted to know before he went. BFN of course. Pretty sure I ovulated from the left side again, which doesn't have a tube any more. Starting to worry I only ovulate from that side, which will suck. Just waiting for the witch now.

NerdyBird Fri 02-Aug-13 08:42:13

Test done, no luck.

Wasn't really expecting to get bfp but there's always that little bit of hope.
I guess it must just be a very light AF. Going to count it as such anyway, and try again this cycle. Will register at dr and get an appt to ask about testing.

alyant79 Fri 02-Aug-13 08:47:46

kat that's so exciting! yay for amazingness at the airport.

I did poas this morning (on a cheapie) but it was a bfn. As i'm only 8/9dpo that's not a surprise. In fact it would have been a miracle to get a bfp, even if i am knocked up. But I just couldn't resist.
Yesterday I was feeling really confidant but today less so.


Sundance2007 Fri 02-Aug-13 08:48:04

Ooh, exciting times. I love popping my head round the door on Friday's, there's usually good news for at least one person. Sounds very positive Kat, keeping everything crossed for you.

Tbh, you might just have to wait for a couple of days before you get a much stronger line, but a faint one is still a positive!!

Good luck Nerdy and anyone else POAS today. I've just come off af a few days ago so I'm out this week and next...and maybe even the week after that! Grrrr

alyant79 Fri 02-Aug-13 08:48:22

sorry nerdy, cross posts.

Trinpy Fri 02-Aug-13 10:07:31

sorry to hear you had bfns, seaside and nerdy.

Very excited about kat's faint bfp!

cosmickitten Fri 02-Aug-13 10:26:53

Seaside and nerdy, really sorry to see your bfn.

kjh5 Fri 02-Aug-13 11:03:59

Kat that's very exciting news! grin here's hoping its the start of a lovely weekend for you.

Sorry for BFN Nerdy - hope you GP can supply some answers and Seaside here's hoping AF stays away for a BFP... or that this next cycle is lucky for you!

I literally had no idea that an ovpk could double as a pg test - now I know what to do with the hundreds of them that seem to have accumulated in my cupboard lies there are actually only 5 left over from last cycle

Hmmmm I wasn't going to POAS today because I think I am just 4DPO but what the hell might as well join in the fun

Hoping next week will be the one for me...

BirdsDoIt Fri 02-Aug-13 11:11:32

Hello ladies, haven't posted for a while - I hope you're all doing ok. Kat that's awesome news - will you POAS again tomorrow morning to see if it's stronger with your first pee of the day?

I've been lurking occasionally but have mainly been trying to take my mind off this whole TTC lark for a bit. So much so that when I went on holiday a couple of weeks ago I threw caution to the winds and had one EXTREMELY drunk evening (as in, how did I get to bed last night kind of drunk)...i was probably a couple of dpo, so not the best idea. Anyway, you can probably all tell where this is leading: I got a BFP yesterday morning...Feeling quite peculiar about it - happy but mainly very very nervous and trying not to get excited quite yet (and seriously regretting my night of debauchery) I'm going to continue lurking here for a bit, if that's ok, and see how things pan out. Fingers crossed for anyone else POAS today! x

Tomkat79 Fri 02-Aug-13 11:23:43

Nice one kat

Nasty old witch got me this morning. Currently in bed still tearful and feeling very sorry for myself. Have a cup of tea and biscuits so not all bad. DH busying downstairs after me tearing strips off the poor guy earlier. Haven't felt this hormonal since puberty! Before MC I used to feel quite stable but since May erratic isn't the word.

Good luck to all those poas today xx

Tomkat79 Fri 02-Aug-13 11:32:57

Nice one birds. Am laughing at your drunky state, think that's what I need. Try not to worry, sure all will be just fine xx

BirdsDoIt Fri 02-Aug-13 11:54:41

Yes, a drunken binge wasn't on our list of TTC tactics for some reason! It's just Sod's law, isn't it??!

Hope you're enjoying your cuppa. I know what you mean about being erratic after mc - I've been totally all over the place mood-wise every month (and that was one of the signs something might be up - along with, weirdly, an itchy scalp which I also got with my first pg - I was continuing to feel quite calm on day 32 by which time the blind RAGE would normally have descended).

Is anyone else trying acupuncture? It was my first month of doing that. I think it might have been this rather than the multiple plum brandy shots that helped with the BFP...

NerdyBird Fri 02-Aug-13 12:20:37

birdsdoit congrats and don't worry about your drunken night. My friend was at a wedding last year and got absolutely hammered, then found out she was pg the following week. Her baby girl was fine and now about 6 months old! I'm sure this must happen to lots of people.

I am thinking about acupuncture, I've always wanted to try it anyway.

Sorry to all those who haven't got the outcome they wanted and fingers crossed for people still waiting. Mother nature needs to come up with a better system I think!

Oh wow. Congrats birds and kat x grin

I am on Cd5 just wanting to fast forward a week so we can start dtd! Got all my supplies ready, minus any syringes...might be a back up for next month!

My real life ttc buddy has just informed me she is 8 weeks pg after almost a year of ttc.. I am so pleased for her but it is slightly heart-sinking to hear.

Sorry AF has got some of you and BFN's. Seems a few of us will be in sync for next POAS.


Tomkat I am with you on the more than 'erratic' I am the same but it hits me the few days before AF, foul mood, tears. Then when AF arrives I actually feel a bit better. I think it's because I 'know' I'm not pregnant before AF arrives anyway and then I view Cd1 as a fresh start/new chance. Hate waiting for ovulation fact I hate most parts of the month...except the BFP bit, shame that doesn't come around very often though!


Anyone else noticed the thread starters seem to be getting good luck at the moment...

Going to be competition to start the next one! wink

BirdsDoIt Fri 02-Aug-13 12:50:54

nerdy thanks for the reassurance, that's good to hear. You're kind of a nickname buddy, another bird...smilei know it must happen all the time but I just couldn't believe it - honestly haven't drunk so much in years!! Ah well, trying not to stress and mostly succeeding.

Acupuncture is definitely a good thing - my acupuncturist also does shiatsu massage which is amazingly relaxing - but just lovely to have some 'me' time and sit still for a bit rather than rushing around like a headless chicken. Thanks emki if you're still lurking somewhere!

overanxious that's good and rubbish news simultaneously about your real life ttc buddy. Easy to say I know but as my DH said to me one day, we just need to keep 'plugging away.' Oh the romance.

Sundance2007 Fri 02-Aug-13 12:56:22

Congrats Bird and Kat - very exciting news. How long have you both been ttc since mc?

Over - I noticed that too actually, but I was away on holiday when the last new thread was started...though we probably shouldn't include 'starting a new thread' as part of the project desperate list; I think we should rule it out along with the pigeon poop!! smile Otherwise we'll be getting lots of new threads every week.

Entering the 'fertile week' from tomorrow so best get ready for some jiggy (sighs), my have to have a glass of wine or two myself just to get in the mood!!

alyant79 Fri 02-Aug-13 13:14:07

fantastic news bird!

sorry tomkat. boo hiss. but a nice lie-in sounds exactly the thing. I hope you're up now though?

NerdyBird Fri 02-Aug-13 13:21:15

I'm driving myself mad. Have been feeling a little nausea on and off today, plus needing to wee more often than usual. So keep thinking maybe there is still a chance. Brown stuff is back too.

Argh! Why can't I just put it out of my mind??

BirdsDoIt Fri 02-Aug-13 13:28:38

This was cycle # 3 after mmc - had erpc 5 april (a full month after I started bleeding - so that was a joyous four weeks) started ttc from end April, got first AF 22 May, another AF 30 June, and here we are. Which makes it sound really quick but honestly it has felt like an age because for much of that time i have been thinking about nothing else...We were ttc for 9 months before 1st pg so was fully expecting it to take about the same length of time this time. Still very early days though - don't think I'll have any confidence until I've seen a scan and heartbeat, if we get that far. (Sorry not be more posifrickintive. DH is basically refusing to talk about it until things have got a bit more secure which isn't exactly helping).

BirdsDoIt Fri 02-Aug-13 13:34:19

What cycle day are you on, nerdy? Couldn't be implantation could it?

fod27 Fri 02-Aug-13 13:35:53

Yay for BFPs!!!
And yay for morning sickness!! Mine kicked in this morning, never been more pleased to vomit in my life

Sundance2007 Fri 02-Aug-13 13:41:41

Bird - I think I would be the same. With the exception of watching diet/drinking etc, I think it's probably best to just try and keep yourself busy until you can get a scan. If you start watching fr every symptom, your brain will find a way of linking it to the symptoms you had before your mc and you'll end up stressing yourself unnecessarily. So there's the posifrickintivity of news is good news! smile

NerdyBird Fri 02-Aug-13 13:50:58

birds your dates are v. similar to mine. Had tablets to bring on bleeding for mmc on 5th april, about 2 weeks after scan first showed a problem. Next periods similar times. Had been on about 35 day cycles. If not counting bleeding this would be day 39. I've looked up about implantation bleeding but it's all rather mixed. From what I can tell, the stuff I've got could be IB or could be AF. only way to tell is to test and mine was bfn. Although, I might test again once this stuff has stopped. I thought it had earlier, but it came back.

fod sounds good you're getting sickness but I hope it's not too bad!

Sal1977 Fri 02-Aug-13 14:01:06

Yay for BFPs, booo for AF and BFNs!!

Sat waiting for 2nd lot of blood to be taken, bleeding nearly stopped now, so it's all just academic now. First lot from Wednesday came back at HCG 69 and the receptionist said "yes dear it confirms pregnancy", it was actually to confirm MC! Lol.

Still have to go for scan next Wednesday to make sure it's all done, but to put a positive spin on it, I'm going to ask if they can see any eggs maturing! Hehe!

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alyant79 Fri 02-Aug-13 14:39:45

hahaha kat lovely story. thank god you had a phone with you - can you imagine trying to ask for a pregnancy test in a combo of mime and pidgin german?

sal that's great that the bleeding's almost stopped. maybe this will be a blessing in disguise and you'll soon be able to count yourself one of those lucky few who get knocked up on the wtf cycle!
loving the positivity

ArkadyRose Fri 02-Aug-13 14:52:28

kat For future reference, the German for "pregnancy test" is "Schwangerschaftstest" (sh-VAN-ger-SHAFTS-test). wink Congrats on the BFP - what a lovely start to your trip!

fod I don't think I'm particularly brave - stubborn/bloody-minded I might admit to though!

Birds Congrats to you too. I wouldn't worry about the alcohol - I got completely blotto on half a bottle of Maker's Mark bourbon the night before I found out I was pg with DD1, and she turned out fine! She'll be 21 this year. I don't think acupuncture would have anything to do with your BFP though - it just happened to be your month this time. smile

RainbowConnections Fri 02-Aug-13 16:23:11

Just checking in to see the news.
So very pleased for you Katatonic and Birds. Hope everything goes well for you both. x

BirdsDoIt Fri 02-Aug-13 17:27:08

Laughing at the idea of kat miming peeing on a stick in a German pharmacy...

rose the maker's mark story definitely helps me feel better!

sal what a stupid receptionist. I'd prob have punched her. You're a hero for being so positive x

Thanks rainbow and everyone else for being so lovely after my long disappearance. Keeping fingers crossed for everyone POAS next Friday and thinking of those starting their bonkathons.... kat send us an update on tomorrow's POAS!

Tomkat79 Fri 02-Aug-13 20:40:56

kat I'm just imagining you in the Bridget jones scene when she's trying to buy a preg test after skiing!

Yes I'm up...didn't mope for too long. Am currently sitting with my head in cling film with 40% bleach on my head.
I totally blame my hormones for my urge this afternoon to go from dark brown to white blonde!!!! Hope it comes out ok or maybe DH won't wanna come near me this month! Haha x

omama Fri 02-Aug-13 21:04:00

Haha Tomkat I had visions of Bridget Jones when I read that too!

Congratulations kat & Birds! Fab news!

Not such good news for me today. Was gonna poas as was feeling a bit sicky & sore boobs, but turns out it was just af. Sad, but glad in a way that it means my cycle should be back on track now & I can start temping & opk's again this month. So tomkat I will be poas with you next month!

fod27 Fri 02-Aug-13 22:31:03

Tut tut ark a bloody inspiration is what you are!! Thanks nerdy is it sad that I want it to get worse? Lol

BlackberryandNettle Fri 02-Aug-13 23:12:25

Not been on for a few days - glad to see more bfps, congrats to kat and bird.

I'm now 4+5, on way home from dinner at friends but during evening had a bit of blood when wiping :-( :-(

Luckily it was towards the end of the evening but now on train and feeling quite sick and crampy. Desperately hoping its just implanting further/growing.

SeasideLily Sat 03-Aug-13 09:06:59

Oh no Blackberry - that must be scary, but remember lots of women do bleed a bit, or even all the way through pregnancy. Has it got worse?

Fucking AF and I are going to have a serious punch up soon. She was a day late, getting my hopes sky high and dashing them again when I PO^Another^S, and then arrived with a vengeance early this morning, dragging me and my hangover out of bed to deal with the wrecked sheets. I'm just thankful it wasn't tomorrow coz I'm sharing a bed with my visiting sister for the next week.

I guess it would have been a bad month to get pg as DH is away for 2 weeks, and I just couldn't face all the dildo-scans etc without him. But still, it's so unfair that coming off the pill to TTC means raucous and painful periods. And now I know I can't even take ibuprofen! Sorry for rant. Must get on with my work now, got a feature that's not going to write itself!

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Trinpy Sat 03-Aug-13 11:18:22

Yay congratulations Kat!!!! how many weeks/days are you?

Trinpy Sat 03-Aug-13 11:20:23

Blackberry I hope you are ok today and that the bleeding has stopped. I know how scary it is but, like seaside said, lots of women have it and have healthy pregnancies. Really hope that's the case for you.

BirdsDoIt Sat 03-Aug-13 12:30:45

blackberry that sounds scary - hope you're ok and feeling better this morning. As others have said I think lots of people get it when all is still ok. If you've had more bleeding though is there an epu near you that you could go to on Monday?

BirdsDoIt Sat 03-Aug-13 12:32:40

kat yay to a line! I'm definitely going to be sticking around here for quite a while longer if you lot will have me. Way too nervous to go on anywhere else yet.

Right, off to enjoy the sunshine and try and pretend everything is totally normal (while remembering not to drink pimms) x

lucidlady Sat 03-Aug-13 14:17:52

Hi everyone, can I join you? I was on the Feb 14 bus until I had a MMC diagnosed a couple of weeks ago. Baby was measuring 6 weeks when it should have been 10, and no heartbeat. Had a natural miscarriage earlier this week and omg that was painful. Finally got a BFN this morning so tentatively starting to think about TTC again. GP has said that we can start straight away but part of me is too scared!!!

Huge congratulations to all those who have had BFPs these last few days flowers

BlackberryandNettle Sat 03-Aug-13 15:48:28

Thanks Kat, Seaside, got home last night to a little bit more blood when wiping but this morning it had stopped. I've had a dodgy tum today but that also seems o be subsiding so fingers crossed everything is okay. Roll on the early scan - just waiting to recieve an appointment or midwife phone call but I guess it will be a couple of weeks and if it comes to it I'll go private.

When is the best time for an early scan? I am guessing around 7 or 8 weeks?

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sat 03-Aug-13 15:49:13

<<peeps in>> YAY for the lovely BFPs, and keep your chins up everyone else. You all got pg before, it WILL happen again. Now, all together...and fertilise.... wink

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sat 03-Aug-13 15:58:38

P.s. I hope it helps you all to know that there have been 2 Grads thread babies recently, and twins due very soon. All of those ladies were on this thread. We will all hold our babies in the end. X

DearlyDepartedMrsFinch Sat 03-Aug-13 20:02:54

Oh Saggy <<significant lump in throat and dusty eye>>

Fantastic news for birds and kat. Congratulations/Gluckwunsche!

Fingers crossed for you blackberry

AF got me on Thursday sad. I'm now on CD3 and the posifrickinivity is sufficient enough for me to rejoin the human race. More Preseed has been ordered and it is onwards and upwards to the next Shagathon grin!

BirdsDoIt Sat 03-Aug-13 20:40:02

saggy that's such a lovely thing to say - made me feel quite teary! How are you doing? Is all well?

mrsfinch boo to AF. Enjoy a glass of rosé or two in the sunshine as consolation.

Really glad to hear bleeding has stopped, blackberry. Midwife told me to go for early scan at 8 weeks by which time you should be able to see heartbeat. I'm going to try and hold out until eight and a half weeks / nine weeks because if I've got my dates a bit wrong, I can't bear to be told to come back again in a week's time if they can't see a hb and have another week of uncertainty.

lucidlady sorry you're here but this is a lovely (supportive, funny, occasionally quite graphic*) thread to be on. *syringe techniques etc

greeneone12 Sat 03-Aug-13 20:41:07

Hello smile can I join please? Had a MMC. Measured 6 weeks but only found at 12 week scan. Heard the heartbeat at early scan so that was hard sad Have been looking at SMEP but it looks so full on!! I am not one for patience and just feel so scared about trying again.

Glad I have hands to hold through the next few months.

BirdsDoIt Sat 03-Aug-13 20:43:03

Ps and blackberry in the interim before early scan I'm temping to see if temperature stays high, and doing a digi in two weeks' time to check I've gone up to '3+' weeks since conception...small ways to try and stave off insanity.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sat 03-Aug-13 20:46:06

I know. It's a gift! grin
Hi Birds all is well so far, not ectopic and a teeny weeny heart beat at 6+4 with another scan on Tuesday. Come over to Grads. It's nice and cosy. smile

greeneone12 Sat 03-Aug-13 20:49:04

BlackBerry next time I would try and wait for early scan at 8 week's not 6. I didn't know you could get walk in scans at UCH! My friend told me that the other day.

BirdsDoIt Sat 03-Aug-13 21:08:23

greene sorry you're here too. I had mmc too - it's so shit when you think you've reached the relative security of 12 weeks and then it all falls apart. Hope you're doing ok - lots of hand holding and crazy ttc strategies on this thread. And yes SMEP is pretty relentless!

saggy yay, really pleased to hear that smile How do I find my way to grads thread? Useless at searching for things on mumsnet, and I get massively distracted by everything if I browse through.

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alyant79 Sun 04-Aug-13 08:02:33

Morning all. At heathrow, tempted to do a kat and poas.... But af due today/ tomorrow and feeling a bit crampy so no doubt she's on her way. Waaahhhhh sad
This was my last chance to get knocked up before what was my due date. Sob. Better not watch anything soppy on the plane or I'll be a complete mess

Oh well, means I can drink at the conference I'm going too...

Sorry to the others who Af got also, and blackberry I really hope the bleeding stays away for you.

Welcome newbies

fod27 Sun 04-Aug-13 12:24:22

Hi guys, well I've spent most of the day with my head down the toilet which I am looking at as a massive positive x

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sun 04-Aug-13 12:26:45

Yay! grin

kjh5 Sun 04-Aug-13 12:49:50

Just catching up on the weekend posts - blackberry I really hope you are ok and the bleeding has stopped! It's such a scary thing to happen here's hoping everything settles down for you.

Seaside AF is just the worst and surely you can take ibuprofen for the pain if only to get you through today? Hugs and wine for both you, omama and DDMF.

lucid and greenone12 welcome! So sorry you have both had such an awful time but there is lots of posifrickintivity and handholding on this thread so settle in and as saggy has pointed out lots of happy endings!

aly any sign of AF? Any chance you could be having early pg symptoms instead? Fingers crossed for you and here's hoping that even if AF arrives you manage to have a good time away (even if it is a work thing!)

fod this is excellent news! Good signs you have one sticky bean there smile

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Sal1977 Sun 04-Aug-13 14:14:41

What are your dates kat??

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kjh5 Sun 04-Aug-13 15:08:48

Oh no kat - how bad is it? could this not just be a bit of implantation bleeding? Do you know when you ovulated? hugs x

fod27 Sun 04-Aug-13 15:20:47

Thanks kjh5 I really hope so

fod27 Sun 04-Aug-13 15:22:53

Sending you hugs kat

Sal1977 Sun 04-Aug-13 16:05:48

So theoretically 3+5..... Perfectly reasonable for it to be IB!

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst! Xx

fedupofrainydays Sun 04-Aug-13 16:14:21

Kat it could just be a bit of breakthrough bleeding. My friend had spotting in both her pregnancies around when af was due / up to six weeks pregnant.

Misspositivity Sun 04-Aug-13 17:29:00

Congrats to the BFP's and boo to anyone spotting. Try not to worry some spotting is totally ok as long as no bad cramps or clots. I have a lovely DD to prove it. Positive thoughts.

Welcome newbies. Sorry you find yourselves here you will get lots of support. Hugs.

Well feeling totally crap about being annoyed with step sister. She had a wee op last week to look at uterus tubes etc before Ivf and consultant was totally shocked with the "mess" she found. Tubes in an awful state and have to come out. Eggs in ovaries not looking good ovaries stuck to bowel and that's only the start of it. Puts ivf in jeopardy. Feeling really sorry for her and very grateful for my little girl as I too have endometriosis.

Cd22 and have a feeling its going to be another short cycle with a crap luteal phase. I really need some positivity :-(((( app with GP tomorrow about something else and think I will ask for progesterone test as will be 7dpo. Not sure I will get anywhere.
saggy great news re hearbeat.

fod27 Sun 04-Aug-13 18:10:37

Sendiing positivity your way miss that's awful news about your sister

BlackberryandNettle Sun 04-Aug-13 20:02:51

Katatonic are you okay? Has it stopped? I had a little more spotting again last night but ok today.

Birds, thanks for the scan advice, I should be getting an appointment hopefully for an early scan but otherwise will pay between 7 and 8, would rather know asap. With mmc last year, scan at 7 weeks due to severe cramping showed big empty sac, then last ditch check at 8 weeks a miniscule bean with heart beat - they said dates were out but dates matched the sac size exactly and I know they were right - pregnancy just not progressing normally. Then would have been left until 13 weeks when scan was booked, but spotting at 11 weeks and scan confirmed mmc.

fod27 Sun 04-Aug-13 23:19:18

black I'm exactly the same! That's why I've opted for the private 8 week scan, we have to pay but I'd rather know as my mc was missed also... At least with symptoms you know something's wrong but it's soul destroying going through your first trimester thinkin everything's ok only to have your heart ripped out in a room full of strangers

greeneone12 Mon 05-Aug-13 07:23:34

That's what happened to us sad I had a scan at 6 week's and heard the heartbeat so we told everyone about the pregnancy. Then at 12 week scan he didn't even need to tell me....I could see little one hadn't grown.

It was really harsh too as I got dealt with at the EPU. Trying to digest everything whilst surrounded by pregnant women.

Sorry - that's not positive! My bleeding has stopped though so thete is a positive - we can start trying again when we are reading. Just need to decide if we follow SMEP or not!!

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greeneone12 Mon 05-Aug-13 08:05:27

Katatonic really will keep everything crossed for you! Interesting to hear that professional opinion on SMEP.

ArkadyRose Mon 05-Aug-13 08:31:28

Really keeping my fingers crossed for you, katatonic.

I had a lot of cramping over the weekend, which I know wasn't ov - I can always tell when I ov thanks to mittelschmerz (and I know it was from the left ovary this time) and the fact the ewcm is over and it's onto the creamy stuff now; I'm on CD15, 6dpo.

I poa-opk-s this morning and got a second very faint line.

I'm trying not to read too much into this or get too optimistic, but.... well. Suspect the cramping is implantation. I'm going to be very good and not poas till Friday. Doubt anything would show up before then anyway! I may poa-opk-s a few more times this week to see if that line darkens though.... wink

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ArkadyRose Mon 05-Aug-13 09:14:07

Hah - I did wonder if it might earn me a fish-slapping! grin But the rules do say I can poa-opk-s as much as I like.... ~looks innocent~

Sundance2007 Mon 05-Aug-13 10:34:27

Wowser -- seems to be lots going on in here at the moment, lots of BFP's and sort of...nearly...BFP's, which I'm sure will all be fine. Congratulations ladies, it is really lovely to know that this isn't just an end-of-the-road for post mc. Keeping fx for everyone else.

I'm in mid shagathon week - knackered, bored already. haha. Trying to be a bit more relaxed about things at the moment, still got to have my 21 day bloods taken next week so in the mean time just getting on with things.

Got a text from my best friend today, who has decided its time for her and her partner to start ttc, so she's coming off the pill. I know this sounds horrible, she's my bestie and I love her, but if she gets pg before I do I know I'm going to really struggle. I'll be happy for her obviously, but I'll be so upest too. Does that make me a total bitch for even thinking it before it's happened???

kjh5 Mon 05-Aug-13 11:32:55

Oh Ark you are putting ideas in my head! I am 7DPO and dying to know if we managed it but keep telling myself there is no point POAS until Friday because I might get fish slapped that is the earliest I can get a BFP... Although DH did an excellent job of distracting me over the weekend, we went out for dinner twice, had a party and a comedy show thrown into the mix as well. Unfortunately it was also unintentionally boozy and now I am feeling guilty for those glasses of wine... although DH says no BFP means I am not currently pg and therefore can have a guilt-free drink.

Kat that is really good news - could you not get an appointment with your GP to talk about your concerns and she/he can set your mind at ease about the bleeding?

Sundance I know how you feel about your BF, I actually MC'd at my stepsister's wedding abroad and I was terrified that she would tell me straight after that she was pg - which I knew I was not going to be able to cope with and made me feel like a really horrible person. But when she got back from honeymoon she took me out to lunch to say thanks for all my help during the wedding and that she wasn't going to start trying for kids for another 2/3years. Which was remarkably intuitive of her...

Everyone who is managing a month-long shagathon I am incredibly impressed with your stamina! DH and I struggled with a five day one! We both admitted afterwards there was too much pressure and we didn't really enjoy it very much (how romantic!)

fod27 Mon 05-Aug-13 12:05:08

Your not a bitch sundance your human, of course your going to feel that way.. I most certainly would

alyant79 Mon 05-Aug-13 12:10:04

Af started today. Right on time for a 10 day luteal phase - worries me but at least it makes my cycles tick over faster smile

Fucking fuckity fuck...

Kata that's really really great! So glad no further spotting for you. Blackberry too.

Have to admit I'm feeling a bit jealous though. Why not me? sad. Sorry sad

Sundance2007 Mon 05-Aug-13 12:13:11

Thanks ladies. Having a low day today clearly!! Stupid really as I've been fine all weekend, allowed myself a couple of glasses of vino so it's probably the guilt kicking in too.

Just cried down the phone to DH who's at work, he's been so lovely and reminds me how lucky I am to have him. Kind of forget how hard it must be for the OH's in all this too sometimes.

SeasideLily Mon 05-Aug-13 13:35:33

Grr. I'll join you in the Sundance - trying to stay positive, but it feels I've been at this for so long. We started trying last Sept and all I have to show is minus one tube, and a lot of lost time.

The universe clearly has a sense of humour though - I've been thinking the usual, that everyone I see seems to be pregnant, and went to a burlesque/cabaret show last night (Edinburgh Fringe). The one place I should be safe, right? The sodding compere, the main cabaret woman, was a good 6-7 months pg, strutting around in a tight dress, high heels and a top hat all evening. You can only head straight to the bar in that situation.

Badhairday76 Mon 05-Aug-13 13:39:10

Congrats to you, Katatonic and fingers crossed for you, Arkady. I'm out for this month because AF decided to show up 3 days early. I feel really gutted and had a huge snotty crying fit on my DP this weekend. I keep thinking I should be holding my newborn now that I lost on Christmas Eve to the Ectopic and one of my good pals has just announced she is having a baby at Christmas which is when the miscarriage baby should be here. Moan - sorry for the pity party. I am starting to worry that it will never happen again for us and that my one remaining tube must be knackered. Going to make a doc's appointment to see if he will do anything for me. I need to get back some posifrickintivity!

SeasideLily Mon 05-Aug-13 13:51:54

So sorry you're feeling terrible badhair - I know just how you feel. I'm so worried I only ovulate on the tubeless side. But not being pg now is no indication that there's anything wrong with your other tube? It just takes longer because every month doesn't count any more for us. My mum keeps badgering me to get my other tube checked out, and I asked the doc about it, but he said the only thing they can really do is shove dye down it to see if it's clear and they won't do that until I've been trying for 2 years. Any more surgery on the abdomen can also increase the chance of damaging the tube, so they are loathe to do anything until they have to.

I totally sympathise with feeling like it'll never happen again though - I feel the same. It just seems like something that happens to other people. My little sister told me she was going to start trying at Christmas, I love her so much but I will not be able to help being devastated if she has a baby before me.

fedupofrainydays Mon 05-Aug-13 14:34:54

Hello - just reading some of these posts and just want you to know about a friend of mine that had an ectopic and lost a tube. In a funny way she saw it as a good thing as she got rid of the dodgy tube in her eyes. She went on to get pregnant 6 months afterwards and now has a lovely little boy.

aly sorry af got you. Me too this month.

And low feelings I share too. Probably fuelled by defiant drinking at the weekend.

alyant79 Mon 05-Aug-13 15:14:29

Gah another rl pregnancy announcement!

Badhairday76 Mon 05-Aug-13 15:20:53

Thanks Seaside and Fedup - I hate being miserable and I feel bad for feeling jealous of other people.

I think the doc will send me for the dye shoved through the tube procedure - he was all up for doing it back in March but I said I'd try a bit longer. I'm 37 so feel I need to find out what state it's in. I also conceived my DS without even trying - he was the result of a missed pill, can you believe! - so can't help thinking something must be wrong down there cos we are trying so bloody hard! I think I might be ovulating from the tubeless side too. Does anybody know if Clomid can help with that?

alyant79 Mon 05-Aug-13 15:34:12

Sorry that af got you too fedup, and sorry for all te other miserable ladies.
I wish the stork still delivered babies. That'd be so much easier

Badhairday76 Mon 05-Aug-13 15:52:26

Bloody hell - so do I, Alyant!

kjh5 Mon 05-Aug-13 15:52:42

Ah! So sorry aly fedup and badhair AF is such a bitch to deal with and it totally doesn't help when people I. RL seem to blink and fall pg. I'm with aly on the stork plan. Being a woman truly sucks sometimes - we put so much pressure on ourselves and we get so much outside pressure too. I was trying not to drink too much at the party on Sat and someone asked me if I was pg (which is a really insensitive question anyway) and then went on to quiz me about exactly when DH and I were planning on having babies... I was so cross. That person has no idea about MC and they really don't know me well enough to have that conversation.

Phew! Rant over... I feel abnormally enraged today. Have a horrible feeling this is the precursor to a bad bout of PMS.

Hope everyone who is feeling a bit down is planning some serious pampering/choc/wine tonight xx

Sundance2007 Mon 05-Aug-13 16:45:10

Will defo be breaking out some much needed cadburys tonight kjh5. If I can't have booze or caffeine then bloody hell I'm having chocolate! And seriously, what is wrong with people who ask those really personal questions??

Sorry af got you aly, fuckity fuck indeed. Feel free to rant away though, it really does're all so patient with me!

It's sounding like there's quite a few of us who are synchronising though, so fx we all get some much deserved good news in August.

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fedupofrainydays Mon 05-Aug-13 17:01:56

kata hope you are ok... Fuckity fuck fuck.
True what you are saying re 'were there other times' does make you think. But hopefully this is just a scare, really hope so am keeping my fx for you.
There def were not other times for me as since ttc I'm on POAS addict so would have known.
Take care xxxxx

Sal1977 Mon 05-Aug-13 18:00:40

Ah bollocks kat, same here though, get it on your notes for future reference! You never know, could still be IB!

Got my 2nd lot of bloods back and it's gone from 69 to 58 in 48 hours. The stoopid twit of a receptionist then said that the lab had written that it could possibly still be a viable pregnancy!! BULLSH*T!! The doc then called and said defo looks like a MC but scan will tell on Wednesday and probably if they tested my blood today it would be down to a 10. Anyway, bought another couple of tests (and splashed out on some CB digi OV tests as well) and there is still a fricking line there!! I'm proper hacked off about it as we were about to start DTD for the next cycle which could now be god knows how far away! Gggrrrrr.....does explain my VILE mood though.

My little sis has 2dc already (I started TTC before she did with her first - with my XH) and she said they might go for a 3rd at the end of the year. I am feeling physically sick at the thought of it so totally understand how everyone feels!

Keep us posted Kat. Xxx

alyant79 Mon 05-Aug-13 18:40:19

Argh kat!! That's not good news but still I hope it turns out ok.
They do say that 1 in 3 possible pregnancies end before you even realise that you're pregnant so I bet most of us (with the exception of poas addicts) have had some of those. That is the downside of early poas - would it be better to not know?? Or is it comforting to know that at least egg is meeting sperm and doing something? Making a perfect human is very hard, can't expect it to work every time.

alyant79 Mon 05-Aug-13 18:42:14

Sal that receptionist needs sacking!
Hopefully the scan will be more useful.

Hugs about the sister... I'm half expecting mine to tell me any day now that she's pregnant again. God I hope not.

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fedupofrainydays Mon 05-Aug-13 18:49:08

Bloomin heck kata, bit of a shock. Is this your first scan? Ie have you not had one for previous mc?

I really hope it's that outside chance for you. But if not, they quickly find out what is wrong so can help you.

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Trinpy Mon 05-Aug-13 19:09:33

sal and kat, I'm so sorry you have to both go through this crap. And I can't believe the bloody incompetence of some hospital staff angry . Really hoping it isn't an ectopic kat. xx

Misspositivity Mon 05-Aug-13 19:11:15

Dam blast and bugger kat. How many weeks are you. My bleeding at 5 weeks showed nothing rescan week later and there was a fetal pole. Fingers crossed for good news but I am afraid we have all been there and know its sadly only fair to prepare you for the worst. Still hoping for you there is always a chance.

Well I am 6dpo and spotting with mild cramps. Cd 23 so fair to say I have a crap luteal phase and AF is on its way. At gp today nearly cried - she didn't seem bothered about my luteal phase and said come back at Christmas if nothing happens.

Everyone seems to be having a crap day. So sorry to all the guys who AF have arrived. Let's hope next cycle is a good one for us.

kjh5 Mon 05-Aug-13 19:47:36

Oh kat how awful for you - I am so sorry you have to go through this and that you seem to be surrounded by incompetent hospital staff! Those people should not be working in EPU.

Really hope you can see someone who can give you some answers and some reassurance. Sending hugs x

omama Mon 05-Aug-13 21:07:18

Sal & Kat - so sorry you are going through this, I am keeping my fingers & toes crossed for you that everything is ok.

alyant79 Mon 05-Aug-13 21:18:48

oh kat!!! big hugs.
really really hope that it's not ectopic. Most likely it just wasn't viable...
silver lining: if it is ectopic, at least it's been found really early and so should be able to be dealt with before anything really nasty happens.

maybe the funny left ovary is nothing to worry about and that's why they've never mentioned it before. Perhaps it was only worth mentioning this time because of the possibility of an ectopic lurking there.

at my last scan they couldn't even find one of my ovaries!! (i'm sure it's there, somewhere)

missp i think you did well not to cry at the docs. I would have. 6 dpo spotting could be implantation...........

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Mon 05-Aug-13 21:45:00

Bugger Kat!
The same thing happened to me. I bled for a fortnight. PUL. When they rescanned me they think they found traces of the pg on my ovary.
There is always hope, right until they confirm what is going on, but if its ectopic they are on the case. I was devestated, but better to live to fight another day...
{{{hug}}} and everything crossed for you. Xxx

ArkadyRose Mon 05-Aug-13 21:58:58

Oh kat, really sorry to hear you're going through the ringer. Fingers crossed it's not an ectopic.

Badhairday76 Mon 05-Aug-13 22:03:40

So sorry, Kat - am keeping all my bits crossed for you that it isn't ectopic. You poor thing. X

Misspositivity Mon 05-Aug-13 22:08:39

alyant trying not to kid myself with the old IB. Too crampy I think. Will just wait for temp drop to confirm but was kind of hoping for longer cycle this month.

kat thinking of you tonight. Really hope u get some better news tomorrow.

Thatssofunny Mon 05-Aug-13 22:15:46

So sorry. sad Fingers crossed kat. Hope it works out ok.

Had bloods taken again today and levels are slowly dropping...very slowly...hmm

triplespin Mon 05-Aug-13 22:27:50

Oh kat fingers crossed that its not an ectopic. It is so early that its not surprising they can't see anything - either way I hope you are being looked after properly.

Sorry to hear that AF has got some of you. If not this month then hopefully next month will be the lucky one. Stay positive and drink up!!

Hope you're okay kat sad keeping everything crossed for you and sending you a hug x

fod27 Mon 05-Aug-13 23:12:47

Awwww ladies I'm so sorry to hear what's been happening! Life is so shitty sometimes! Thinking of you all, sending hugs, positivity and best wishes. Cxxxx

NerdyBird Mon 05-Aug-13 23:13:02

kat really hope you're ok and that you get some answers tomorrow.

Sal1977 Mon 05-Aug-13 23:32:04

I was in Next Home today and getting really annoyed by all the signs that say stuff like 'live, laugh, love' and 'life is sweet' and 'my kitchen is spiced with love and happiness' etc.

I am thinking of starting my own business making such signs. So far I have come up with:

'Life is wanky, get shitfaced as often as you can'
'Dream big, follow your dreams then watch them get shat all over'
'Piss on a stick then squint at it until you go blind'

Any other ideas for me...?

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Mon 05-Aug-13 23:51:55

Lol! I'd like some of those letters that spell 'shit' for the bathroom and 'burn' for the kitchen! Mom has 'Love'. We swap them around to say 'Vole'!
Or, a poster saying Fuck off and make your own dinner!

alyant79 Tue 06-Aug-13 00:34:27

Sal those signs make me vomit. Yours are much better.

How about
When life throws you a lemon go get some tequila

Or is that too positive?

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fedupofrainydays Tue 06-Aug-13 07:51:39

Ugh. Is that one about the kitchen spiced actually true? Ugh, vomiting (a non pregnancy vom) into nearest vessel.
A sign for above the bed 'I'm only doing this for your swimmers'

kata how are you today?

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SeasideLily Tue 06-Aug-13 08:44:17

So sorry everything's been so stressful Kat - well done for taking it one step at a time, but it really sucks that it's not an easy happy pg for you. Good luck with your bloods, I hope you get good news, or at least a quick resolution.

Ha ha Fed up, I love that! DH gave me a massive canvas a while back in the style of those "Keep calm and carry on" posters that reads "Lie back and think of England". We have it above our bed, so it's not far off your one! Sometimes it does feel like that for both of us during TTC time, though fortunately not too often...!

Sal1977 Tue 06-Aug-13 09:07:58

Aly....that's bordering on positive, so how about:

When life throws you lemons, make sure your eyes are shut cos it stings like a bastid!

Sal1977 Tue 06-Aug-13 09:09:39

seaside I love 'lie back and think of England!' I want one!

I should really get one saying 'lie back and pass the syringe'!

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Sal1977 Tue 06-Aug-13 09:27:43

3+6 weeks lovely. says 2-3 weeks? Do you know when you ovulated though?

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triplespin Tue 06-Aug-13 10:16:31

That sounds ok kat. As you are approximately 2 weeks past ov and 2-3 weeks doesn't necessarily mean 2+ weeks, but could mean exactly 2 weeks too (just my interpretation though). Maybe someone more knowledgeable on the digis will come along.

Fingers crossed though for you.

kjh5 Tue 06-Aug-13 12:16:37

Loving the posifrickintivity today!

Kat keeping everything crossed for you! Two weeks post ov my digi test read 2-3 weeks when I was pg. They are also not very accurate, so I wouldn't worry about that too much. When do you get your bloods back? Hope you get some answers soon x

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 06-Aug-13 13:16:21

Digital sticks are a pain in the arse! THEY CAN BE UP TO 10 DAYS OUT!

DearlyDepartedMrsFinch Tue 06-Aug-13 16:35:56

Glad to hear the happy news for kat and blackberry. Kat, I know it is hard but try not to spend hours comparing intensities of HPTs - that way madness lies. Remember, take it a day at a time. Today, you are pregnant. Hooray!

(Of course, that is easy for me to say. I spend hours and hours poring over my temperatures in the 2ww. Obsessive, moi?!)

Sorry TRTOD got you again, Aly. A 10 day LP is still okay but on the short side. Is it regularly that short/long? Doesn't vitamin B-something, maybe B6 help with short LPs? As you say, on the plus side, it helps the cycles go over quicker (my LP is bloody 17 days sometimes)

To those with only one tube: you do have a chance of pregnancy when you ovulate on the tubeless side, as the egg can be picked up by the remaining tube. I seem to remember reading that your chances do not drop to zero during those months, but you still have maybe 20% chance (although I might be talking nonsense).

Any way, CD6 for me and gearing up for the Shagathon (oh the romance!). Feeling decidedly off colour today though. If it was the 2ww I'd be convinced I was pregnant!

DearlyDepartedMrsFinch Tue 06-Aug-13 17:19:32

Oh hell, sorry Kat, missed a whole page of posts. Going back to read through.

DearlyDepartedMrsFinch Tue 06-Aug-13 17:37:12

Oh, Kat, what a shitting shit time you are having. Hope you are okay.

Echoing Aly, if it turns out to be an ectopic, at least it has been caught early. And, as soon as I read that you'd had previous scans, I immediately thought that the ovary problem mustn't have been significant enough to mention. We've probably all got weird and wonderful bits inside, but the majority of us never know about them.

Also, step away from the digital tests. Most midwives hate them because they are so inaccurate and cause so much worry. Hope you are okay flowers

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ArkadyRose Tue 06-Aug-13 18:42:00

found this website today: Peestick Paradise. It's US-centric alas - we could do with a UK version!

ArkadyRose Tue 06-Aug-13 18:43:21

Argh, unfortunate crosspost with kat there - apologies!

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alyant79 Tue 06-Aug-13 19:27:02

well that's good news kat. hopefully the only reason that they couldn't see anything was due to it being so very early. 164 is quite low - I was up around 400 4 weeks post mc due to retained products. But it varies a lot from person to person and what is more important is whether or not it doubles daily.

seaside your poster is hilarious! I want one.

NerdyBird Tue 06-Aug-13 19:52:57

Hi everyone

kat glad you've had your results and there is a plan of action. Hope it all goes well.

The brown spotting or whatever it is I've had has finally stopped. I did more looking in the interwebs and found someone mentioning it could be due to having an anovulatory period. I wasn't sure if I'd ovulated this month but I didn't test on all tne days I should have. So maybe it's that.

Found out today a friend is pregnant, obviously happy for her but did think why can't that be me!

kjh5 Tue 06-Aug-13 20:08:46

kat so glad you have test results and - like others have said - a plan of action. Keeping fingers and toes crossed for you. I was reading about HCG levels and they vary massively from person to person (I can't look for the link because I am at work) but some people do have very low levels in the first week or so... Here's hoping for some good news next week!

Currently 8DPO and had some very light spotting plus I'm nauseous and have sore boobs... DH got excited so had to explain to him that while these we're the same symptoms I had last time I got pg (minus the nausea) they are also the same symptoms I get about a week before AF is due.... Ugh hating this waiting game! Any idea when is the earliest I can test?

kjh5 Tue 06-Aug-13 20:10:30

Ha! ark just clicked onto peestick paradise - genius!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 06-Aug-13 20:26:07

Kat have a look at this website. At 4 weeks your hcg levels are within acceptable parameters.

Sundance2007 Tue 06-Aug-13 20:56:07

Crikey kat, what a roller coaster couple of days you poor thing. But, it sounds like there is still a great deal of hope there so keeping fx for you for Monday.

Misspositivity Tue 06-Aug-13 21:06:53

kat. Fact your Levels are fine for your dates Fact: it's too soon to see anything on a scan and actually at 4+3 you might not see anything. So taking all things into consideration you have alot to be positive about. Big hugs.

fedupofrainydays Tue 06-Aug-13 22:00:14

Sounds like there is a lot to have posifrickintivity about kat fingers crossed for you!

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DearlyDepartedMrsFinch Tue 06-Aug-13 23:25:36

Okay, anyone drinking cough medicine as part of Project Desperate?

Might nip to Superdrug tomorrow and surreptitiously read medicine bottles whilst coughing in a chesty manner. Sounds like a plan, no?

BBT, check. CBFM, check. Preseed, check. 1000mg EPO daily, check. Posifrickinivity, check. Thunderpants are go!!

alyant79 Wed 07-Aug-13 00:20:21

Hang on am I missing something??
Why cough medicine?

I have an awful cough at the moment that I've been ignoring, perhaps I'd better start taking something

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 07-Aug-13 00:45:13

Guaifenesin cough medicine has mucous thinning properties. Apparently it doesn't just work on chest mucous!

fedupofrainydays Wed 07-Aug-13 07:06:39

I can confirm that cough medicine works. Didnt get pregnant last month but had a lot more evident cm! Undecided if trying again this month as feels slightly wrong given I'm not actually ill! But aly you have an excuse....

Sal1977 Wed 07-Aug-13 08:04:45

Just off for a date with willy-cam at the EPU to confirm MC. I don't really understand why I am still getting positive pg tests though. Surely if I was only 5 weeks when it happened, you'd think it would go back to normal in a few days?? It's now a week and a half! Bleeding seems to have finally stopped so even more reason to get a BFN. Grrrr

Had a proper snotty sobby meltdown on FaceTime to my mum last night (she lives in Spain), felt much better after letting it out. Seem to be doing too much crying at the moment though!

Thatssofunny Wed 07-Aug-13 08:44:26

sal it's been nearly four weeks since my mc and I'm still testing positive (Hcg at around 100). My levels just seem to drop really slowly - its not even as if they had to go far, there were only on about 300 to begin with. Bleeding/spotting has now finally stopped. Apparently a pregnancy of unknown location (like bloody hide and seek,...).
Perhaps there's a little bit left, so your date might find something when snooping around. grin Good luck. Hope it's "good" news.

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Badhairday76 Wed 07-Aug-13 09:13:16

Poor you having the date with dido willy-cam, Sal - will be thinking of you. I think it's good to have a big snotty crying fit and let it all out. Pregnancy loss is horrendous and its okay to acknowledge that.

I had a trip to the docs yesterday and nearly had a snotty crying fit on him, but managed to stop myself by swearing terribly and cracking loads of grim jokes about my situation. He was good and really sympathetic about everything and is going to refer me to a gynaecologist at the hospital so I can get my remaining tube checked out and see if i sm ovulating from the tubed side. He's in his twenties and I know he considers me to be absolutely ancient - am 37 - and kept saying 'time is of the essence' to me. He openly admitted he didn't know much about ectopic pregnancy or miscarriage when I started quoting statistics at him and we also discussed IVF routes. I'd have to pay for it, but it isn't actually as expensive as we thought. About 3K a cycle which is what we paid for flights to Oz last year, so we could afford it. Am so glad doctor didn't fob me off or tell me to 'relax' which is what loads of people in RL keep telling me (makes me want to slap them!) Am so NOT relaxed right now, it's unbelievable!

Tomkat79 Wed 07-Aug-13 09:24:01

No kat keep posting if it helps!

Project shag is taking a nose dive...I just can't find my mojo at all! Horny goat weed for me I think!

BirdsDoIt Wed 07-Aug-13 09:29:11

Just catching up - kat so sorry you're having such a shit time but those test results sound pretty reassuring and i'm keeping all fingers crossed for you (and the next scan in a few weeks time).

sal hope your date goes ok and they can give you some helpful answers. After my mmc my bleeding went on for 4 weeks - driving me totally insane - before I decided to give up on idea of natural mc and have erpc. As funny said I think it's not unusual for hcg levels to drop very very slowly after mc. Another punch in the face from lovely Mother Nature.

Re cough medicine - the book I had said you should make sure you take the unflavoured variety of Robitussin - apparently that's the one with the good stuff in it (not the flavoured ones). Haven't tried it myself yet but fedup interesting to hear that it works!

badhair glad you got a doctor who listened to you and you've got a plan on what's happening next.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 07-Aug-13 09:46:50

I'm not sure If this helps or not, but I read that it can take as many weeks for hCG to leave totally, as you were PG. So 5 weeks PG could = 5 weeks for hCG to leave and get a BFN. X

NerdyBird Wed 07-Aug-13 09:55:32

Hi all

just very quickly as using work computer, but there is an article on the bbc today about how length of pregnancy can vary between women by about 5 weeks. This includes length of time taken to implant which I thought was interesting.

hope you all have a good day

Sundance2007 Wed 07-Aug-13 10:07:51

I'm sure it's already been discussed before but can someone please remind me what Pre-seed does? I've read quite a few people seem to recommend it.

And with cough syrup, do you take that every day?
I'm reluctant to try any new supplements until I've had all my blood tests done etc, but happy to try anything new!!

Big hugs sal, snotty crying fits are all part of this process, and good luck at EPU today, I hope you get some answers although I'm sure your hormones will level out after you've had the next just needs to flush it all out of your system.

katatonic Wed 07-Aug-13 10:28:09

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Sal1977 Wed 07-Aug-13 10:35:24

So, did a pg test this morning, feint but clear positive. Waited an hour in EPU, had to do another pg test, they reckon BFN.... So no scan. Grrrrr... She did say I should be referred to the recurrent miscarriage team though even though 2 of the 3 were at 5 weeks. We shall see!

Misspositivity Wed 07-Aug-13 11:07:33

sal. Glad it's over and good you got a referral.
kat hope your staying positive. I am for you

Right fellow charters. I have had a second temp rise at 8dpo quite obvious on chart. Is this a good sign - is it not a dip at implantation I should be looking for. Greatful for your thoughts. We only managed to DTD 4 days before the big O so not that hopefully.

Thatssofunny Wed 07-Aug-13 11:15:32

kata I know that there might be something left, but they've done two internal scans now and couldn't find anything left on either. Consultant mentioned possibly ectopic, but they just don't know where it's got to. (Well, thanks...great that its taken nearly four weeks to tell me that they don't know anything.) she mentioned giving me an injection (is that the same as the pill you mentioned?), but I am flying to Germany today, so that's not going to happen. Other than that, she said to just wait and see. I've got no pain (haven't had any for the entire time), no heavy bleeding (again, none of that all the way through) and the numbers are dropping...albeit slowly. I hate injections at the best of times,...and my arm is still black and blue and sore from the last blood test. (Really not sure why that's affected half my arm,...not really the look I intended to have at my wedding.)

katatonic Wed 07-Aug-13 11:40:48

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SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 07-Aug-13 11:51:21

Do you mean Methatrexate? Its a serious drug, personally I wouldn't take it lightly. If numbers are dropping, and are low, I would wait it out. IIRC, there is a no TTC timeframe on Methatrexate. If you want to try again straight away, waiting might be the better option.

alyant79 Wed 07-Aug-13 12:05:23

Missp that's def a good sign. Apparently an implantation dip is quite rare. Crossing fingers for you - bit bare in mind that I also had a bit of a rise from 7/8 dpo and it turned out not to mean anything. Boo.

Thatssofunny I'm so sorry that your hcg levels are dropping so slowly. At least they ARE dropping though. Have a wonderful wedding!!

Sal great that the hosp gave you the bfn all clear

DearlyDepartedMrsFinch Wed 07-Aug-13 20:50:31

Good news about your negative sal, but bad news about the lack of scan. A referral is brill news though.

Ooh, missP you might be getting a triphasic chart which is a very good sign. But, having said that, I had lots of cramping at 8DPO and 9DPO last cycle, also a very good sign, which turned out to be precisely nothing. Damn you body!

Misspositivity Wed 07-Aug-13 21:02:23

I am borderline optimistic. Some really light spotting today with cramps off and on could well be Af. Will be cd27 tomorrow and AF arrived at CD 26 last month. Will see what temps do in morning. Too early to test at 8dpo. Maybe I will get to join the fri PoAS for a change. I assume 10dpo is a bit early too. "sigh".

anyone else poas on Friday.

Emki Wed 07-Aug-13 21:09:01

Hello all - just popping in. I've been away and kept wanting to say 'hi' but had no wifi - I'm off again on Friday to France but just wanted to send lots of posifrickingtivity to anyone POAS this Friday. I'm in fertile week grin.

I might not be on this thread much over the next few weeks, just wanted to say 'hi' and that I'm thinking of you ladies and thank you for all being so supportive to me and each others.

{{{{{ sends lots of virtual hugs)}}}}}

SeasideLily Wed 07-Aug-13 21:40:33

Hi, just been catching up - Edinburgh Festival is crazy times. Glad to hear things are more positive for you kat, and hope willy-cam wasn't too traumatic Sal, I loathe them. Definitely deserve a wine after that.

Sounds odd, but I think I'm in need of a snotty crying fit. Feel like I need a valve with everything that's going on - need to have a Grey's Anatomy-athon or something to let it all out. Sorry your scans aren't shedding light on things thatso, particularly with your wedding coming up. That's so much to happen at one time, you poor thing.

ArkadyRose Wed 07-Aug-13 21:40:42

Misspositivity I'll only be 9dpo on Friday but may well poas anyway. smile

kjh5 Wed 07-Aug-13 22:12:54

missp I am in exactly the same boat as you - crampy spotting and weird nausea plus sore boobs at 9DPO - will be POAS on Friday but at 10/11DPO not sure it's worth it as too early for a result.... Bought First Response just incase they really are more sensitive than the others...

sal sending you hugs - I mc'd at 6 weeks and it took forever to get that BFN but it happened and I ovulated 16 days later.... Hope you feel better about everything x

thatsofunny I really hope you can try and not think about any of this over your wedding and that your special day is filled with nothing but love and happy happy memories! Sending lots if posifrickintivity your way! Hope you have an awesome time!

Misspositivity Wed 07-Aug-13 22:41:00

arkadyrose and kjh5 you are officially mr friday poas buddies. How exciting!! Pretty sure my AF is on route though. If we get BFN sure we can take a few fish slaps on the chin and keep testing.

Wavesat emki. Hi and happy holidays.

kjh5 Wed 07-Aug-13 23:02:54

Oh good! So glad I'm not the only one hoping for an impossible BFP on Friday! Now need to get through tomo without POAS 'Just incase' ... Fingers crossed ladies!

kjh5 Wed 07-Aug-13 23:05:06

Ps emki and seaside I'm so jealous of your lovely holidays/ breaks! Although just realised you may actually be working sea still - This will be the first year in a while DH and I aren't going up to Edinburgh for the festival... Love the vibe there at this time of year!

fod27 Thu 08-Aug-13 01:02:25

Hi ladies had a quick scan through and so sorry to hear of your heartache kat dear I too tried the cough syrup the site I read also suggested giving DP a strong coffee before hand to stimulate his swimmers.

I've had nausea and sickness but it's coming and going however I've been having the odd sharp twinge in my groin like I've pulled something a some odd abdomen aches.... But I've decided if it all fucks up at my scan then I'll take the perspective that we are half way to seeing a specialist which equals test and hopefully answers and out eventual bundle of joy.... How's that for posifrickintivity?!!

cosmickitten Thu 08-Aug-13 07:22:24

Morning all, been taking a mental step back from ttc for few days as the craziness was starting to peak!

Kat I'm so sorry that you're having such a hard time, the last news sounds positive x

Had a first since starting ttc in march 2012. I actually had signs of ovulation, spotting, one sided cramp, egg white style mucus, the full works!! I d started to think people made it all up. So relieved that my body seems to be working after months last year with little sign of ovulation. Sadly my excitement caused poor hubby performance issues so there is little hope this month. But still, maybe my ovaries perform next month as well and I can pounce on him without saying why!!

DearlyDepartedMrsFinch Thu 08-Aug-13 08:02:04

Fantastic cosmic! Boo hiss about the performance anxiety though, this TTC malarky is so frustrating. We put so much pressure on ourselves, it is bound to get too much at times. Brilliant news that you are ovulating though!

Sundance2007 Thu 08-Aug-13 09:29:44

Great news Cosmic - at least for next month you can anticipate dates and 'get cracking' for when the big 'O' arrives. But don't necessarily write

Still in shagathon mode slowly running out of enthusiasm so won't be POAS tomorrow.

I got a smiley face on the opk last night...does this mean it's too late for me to give cough medicine a go?

kjh5 Thu 08-Aug-13 10:58:02

Erm... so I have a confession to make. it would appear I have a problem. Please get the fish out apparently I cant see AS without PO it. I'm definitely not going into the woods for fear of publicly humiliating myself. Although I don't need to... I panicked at the thought that ov was happening and bought loads of them. I'd like to say I was seduced by the promises of First Response that PREGNANCY CAN BE DETECTED SIX DAYS BEFORE YOUR PERIOD IS DUE but I think the problem goes deeper than that. Anyway it means I have wasted a fortune POAS for the past three days with the inevitable BFN and accompanying feelings of failure... I think I need help!

So cosmiic I totally understand what you mean about the craziness of this whole enterprise! I feel it is driving me a little insane. anyway totally awesome about your ov news. And don't worry DH and I had the same problem the first time I ovulated - you'll get there!

sundance here's hoping this is a lucky month for you!

fod am currently with midwife aunt who says those symptoms are all totally normal - it's all the tendons stretching away to prepare you for that big push when the bubba is ready to arrive. Holding thumbs!

kat how are you getting on?

fod27 Thu 08-Aug-13 11:11:20

sundance you can use the medicine about a hour before ttc I think, kjh thanks for that huni it's just hard trying to stay positive or even acknowledge the pregnancy with all that's happened in the past

ArkadyRose Thu 08-Aug-13 11:29:24

kjh5 I know the feeling. I've been poa-opk-s and really trying hard to resist poa-ic-s (even though I have 5 left in my stash). I've firmly told myself I am NOT going to po ANY s today, and moved them all out of the bathroom to my bedside drawer upstairs so I can't just randomly give into impulse. OMG does First response REALLY give a result up to 6 days before AF?? Nope, nope, keeping away from the chemist's too, today! I have a CT scan this afternoon to distract me anyway.

kjh5 Thu 08-Aug-13 12:30:16

Ark First Response apparently only gives a BFP in 62% of preg women 6 days before AF... it would appear (despite the nausea that I am experiencing) I am not in that percentile... or the 78% who get a BFP 5 days before AF OR the 87% who are definitely preggers according to First Response 4 days before AF... I am beginning to think it is all a big ol' scam to lure is peestick addicts into buying their product.

Nevertheless I shall be POA(FR)S tomorrow in the hope that I am one of the 98% of women who get a BFP 3 days before AF because I have to go into hospital for a procedure requiring a local anaesthetic resulting in a lot of subsequent pain and I'd really like to know whether or not I can take pain killers or whether I just have to grit my teeth and bear it...

Fingers crossed for some good news for you tomorrow. CT scan does not sounds pleasant... I hope you are ok x

Fod completely understand! If it turns out I am preggers again I am going to be completely neurotic - I already feel sorry for DH

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 08-Aug-13 12:36:20

For all of you POAS addicts...
Internet cheapies are the way to go. Look in eBay. You can get PS for pence. Far more sensitive than these expensive digital tests! But 100 and POAS to your hearts content! grin

ArkadyRose Thu 08-Aug-13 12:54:44

Thanks, kjh5 - it's a cranial CT scan for an osteoma (benign bone tumour) on my brow. I want to get it removed, but the maxillofacial surgeon understandably wants to check if it's only on the outside of my skull or if it extends back and down into the orbital cavity and whether it has a blood supply. I'll have to tell the scanner that I may be pregnant - which means they probably won't want to use contrast medium, which will suit me fine as I hate needles! It'll be noisy but otherwise OK, I think. I've had scans before. And at least whilst I'm in the scanner I won't be poas! grin

fod27 Thu 08-Aug-13 13:53:11

Crickey ark you really are having a bad time'

triplespin Thu 08-Aug-13 14:48:33

Hello all

Seems like we have some POAS'ers coming up tomorrow. I am sure given the odds before, we will have at least one BFP smile. Good luck to everyone.

I have a question and in a bit of a fix. Yesterday afternoon I tested with the CB (positive and negative) opk which was a positive. I have tested again today and it is a negative and I'm wondering whether we should dtd tomorrow as well - or would that be out of the window? Really quite exhausted already and so actually hoping we don't have to dtd another time lol.

p.s. the cb advanced one did not even give me a 'high' and I was testing since saturday !

kjh5 Thu 08-Aug-13 14:53:03

Oh Ark that does sound rather scary (although I am very impressed with how calm and focused you sound about it all). I hope it has all gone ok and you get some positive news... followed by a BFP in the very near future!

triplespin Thu 08-Aug-13 15:11:07

Ark it sounds quite scary. Good luck for the scan - hope you get the all clear!

kjh5 Thu 08-Aug-13 15:22:56

triple I'm not sure what the deal with the fancy CB but the cheap ovpk I shows a positive when LH spikes so says 'You'll ovulate within 24-48hours of a positive result'
I have only fallen pg once on these but DH had been away and we only DTD once, 36 hours after the positive result and I fell pg. That said I'm sure if you have been DTD up until now and today you shouldn't need to do it tomorrow as well - after sperm is supposed to wriggle around our systems for a whole week! Good luck xx

alyant79 Thu 08-Aug-13 15:42:24

kjh5 apparently those claims that first response makes don't mean what they claim. They just mean that in people whose pregnancy at eg 4 days early was detected clinically, first response got it right 75% (or whatever number) of the time.
Make sense? So it is a bit of a scam, but they prob are still quite sensitive.

katatonic Thu 08-Aug-13 15:57:27

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kjh5 Thu 08-Aug-13 16:00:50

Thanks Aly I figured there was some sneaky disclaimer hidden away somewhere. Did not stop me from going out and buying more FR sticks...
Really wish I hadn't scheduled stupid op tomorrow because I doubt I'll get a BFP and won't be able to take any painkillers all weekend in fear of maybe getting a BFP next week. AF not due until Tuesday... Ah well at least it'll be over and done with and if AF arrives then I've pencilled in a girly cocktail eve for next Friday which I can fully partake of!

ArkadyRose Thu 08-Aug-13 17:16:40

Annoyingly they can't do the scan today after all - because there's a chance I could be pregnant but it's too soon to know and tomorrow is absolutely the earliest I could test! So it needs to be rescheduled for sometime when we know I'm not pregnant.

Thanks for all your good wishes - but really, it's not actually anything that scary, it just sounds that way! smile It's a bony growth on my right brow that I've had for years that's been slowly growing and I finally got annoyed enough with it to decide to have it removed, but because the last MRI I had (for migraines) was three years ago and it seems to have grown a little since then, the surgeon wanted new images. It's a benign lump, not cancer or anything scary like that! Sorry, I probably should have made that clear!

If I don't get a BFP within the next week after this I am going to be so cross!

ArkadyRose Thu 08-Aug-13 17:54:25

Oh, regarding FR vs other tests for sensitivity - this Babycentre post is interesting; apparently FR tests have a sensitivity of 12.5 mlU. Both Boots own and Clear Blue are 25 mlU. Hospital and internet cheapies are 10 mlU. So really you're best sticking with the ICs! (I may have just ordered a pack of 10 more off ebay for a couple of quid.... blush)

triplespin Thu 08-Aug-13 18:09:32

That is a bummer. Hope you at least get your bfp!

kat didn't realise your cbfm never registered peak. My advanced opk did not even register a high, but the basic one showed up as positive. Ewcm was a better indicator! Totally agree about ditching these but it is always so tempting.
Eek about the Internet cheapie hpts!! So more expensive doesn't necessarily mean better product.

Misspositivity Thu 08-Aug-13 18:22:06

Bugger bugger looks like I won't get to poas tomorrow cramps and spotting. Plus big blob of cerival mucus with brown streaks. Pretty sure temp will drop in morning. So a super fantastic 9 day luteal phase. Not sure what to do as know it's a problem and gp was clueless the other day.

kjh5 Thu 08-Aug-13 19:12:28

Ooh that's interesting Ark I thought my cheapie from last time showed the result quicker than the CB. Unfortunately I'm stuck with POA (FR) S tomo as they're the cheapest ones I've got! Not expecting a result after 3 BFN in a row!

missp that sounds rubbishy! Are you sure AF is on her way and its not IB or such like? I'm spotting too but last time that was a pre-curser to a BFP

Spent the afternoon trawling the Internet to find out if it was possible to get MS this early because I can't have imagined four days worth of continuous nausea can I? Although I haven't actually thrown up... I'm clearly driving myself insane

Almost wish AF would show up and end this agony of waiting!

Misspositivity Thu 08-Aug-13 19:18:13

kjh5. I wish that was the case but I am also a hormonal tone bomb and could cry. Been cramping for 3 days and spotting a bit heavier each day. So pretty sure I am out. Will keep temping And probably poas for the craic. !!!

Good luck to everyone poas whatever the make.

fedupofrainydays Thu 08-Aug-13 19:25:49

Good luck for all POASers tomorrow. I have 'indulged' and my Internet cheapies turned up yesterday. But I haven't even ov'd yet this month so will wait til at least 7 dpo before I start making use of their cheapness!! Ha ha .

fod27 Thu 08-Aug-13 20:10:14

kat I'll be 7 + 2 wks, had a terrible dream this afternoon that I was desperately trying to hurt my 12 year old son, I kept slapping him over and over and it didn't seem to hurt him so I tried to slap his face again and again, I feel terrible. I lover him soooo much and he's a wonderful old headed young man with such a good soul

alyant79 Thu 08-Aug-13 20:17:22

Oh no missp. I hope you're wrong and af doesn't arrive. A 9 day luteal phase is short, but if you google it there are a lot of people who say that it's ok. I know because I've been doing the same about my 10 day luteal phase. I'm still a bit worried too though, so totally understand your feelings.

Kjh I hope your op isn't for something too serious. If you tell them that you could be pg maybe they'll give you some painkillers that are appropriate to take.

Arkady that's such a bummer that they wouldn't do your scan - fx for a bfp in compensation!

Fod your symptoms sound good to me

Been writing this post for a while (got distracted) so no doubt it's completely out of date now

alyant79 Thu 08-Aug-13 20:24:16

Kjh I hope your nausea is real. I was sick sick sick too last week but it turned out to be nothing. I'm now convinced that it was the boots conception vitamins as it was always soon after I took one that I retched. I haven't taken them since as I'm overseas at a conference sharing a bathroom and don't want to risk a vom. As soon as I'm back I'll take one again to complete the experiment.

I've just looked at my calendar and realised that if we don't get pg this cycle the next one is out too as I'll be away in the critical window. Bugger! Hopefully we'll have good news this go.

alyant79 Thu 08-Aug-13 20:26:10

Aw fod, dreams can be so horrible. Of course you'd never really hurt him like that