Eggcellent Egg Buddies; are you cycling in July/August/Septembe r??? Get in here!!!

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tametortie Tue 02-Jul-13 06:50:46

We swear! We have to start a new thread every week! But we are the most gorgeous bunch of ladies ever grin and will do anything to get a baybee in our tumtum.

Get nattering.....

tametortie Tue 02-Jul-13 06:52:09

<sits and waits for the others to find her>

<checks watch>

tametortie Tue 02-Jul-13 06:52:49

<spots typo in fred title>


nobeer Tue 02-Jul-13 07:05:40

found you! sorry you had such a bad day yesterday. hope you're feeling a bit brighter today.

I triggered last Night but terrified I did it wrong! I'm going to have to ring the clinic this morning cos I didn't sleep well worrying about it.

MotorcycleMama Tue 02-Jul-13 07:10:37

Morning tame - thanks for sorting the new thread. I had started to panic a bit! Can I be miserable today please? I'm so sure that this hasn't worked. I have no symptoms at all and am now 3dp5dt. I know it is early days, but I am put in mind of when I knew that the baby had died just prior to my 12 week scan in 2008. Everyone was trying to reassure me that all was okay, but I knew it wasn't, and I was right. The only redeeming thing I can take from that was that I didn't even know I was pregnant til I was 6 weeks gone (can you imagine?) so I certainly know you can be apparently symptom free and still pregnant.

Anyway, sorry to begin the thread with negativity, but I'm feeling rubbish.

Hello to you all!

tametortie Tue 02-Jul-13 07:19:16

motor sounds totally normal to me! Sit tight, you dont know what may be happening in there smile I think we have all started to get negative around 3dpt! You just convince yourself it won't work <hair stroke>

nobeer I missed you off my personals yesterday- sorry! Yay to trigger- ec tomorrow?

I feel better this morning BUT it seems to creep up on me in the day and its the evenings that are horrible. I think its hormones??

resipsa Tue 02-Jul-13 07:21:26

Hi motor. If you got to 6 weeks before without knowing then 3dp5dt is early to feel anything, you're right! Think juicy said she "knew" early but we are all different (and see things differently in hindsight anyway). Stay strong - not too long to go.

resipsa Tue 02-Jul-13 07:22:22

BTW, blame me for filling the last thread but failing to notice or start a new one!

resipsa Tue 02-Jul-13 07:23:54

tame how're you feeling today? Less bleak, I hope.

resipsa Tue 02-Jul-13 07:26:15

Nobeer, talk to the clinic to reassure yourself definitely but I think we all worried we'd done it wrong and hadn't. My take on it is that if you could do it wrong then they wouldn't let us (the paying idiots) do it at all.

tametortie Tue 02-Jul-13 07:28:28

nobeer- you can do a hpt to check. If you did it right the hpt will pick up hormone and come up positive! X

nobeer Tue 02-Jul-13 07:33:42

thanks resipsa and tame . I think the problem is i'm sure I followed the Dr's instructions, but they're different to the little book and there's some liquid left over in the cartridge. i'm going to ring the clinic in a now.

nobeer Tue 02-Jul-13 08:03:53

panic over. the doctor wanted me to have half the dose so it's quite correct that there's half of liquid left.


just got EC to look forward to tomorrow! eek!

mejust Tue 02-Jul-13 08:12:51

Nobeer I was the same but I'm sure you will be fine,respa is right they wouldn't trust us with it if we could screw it up x

Hi respa how are you?

Motor its early days yet if you didn't know before you might not get symptoms for weeks a lot of women don't ,chin up.
My embo said positive mental attitude is important.
When I was pregnant I had symptoms early but that's me everyones different.
Iv got really sore boobs but that could be the pessaries its a mental waiting game,stay positive please x

Tam I found you no prob,how are you today?

Wish if your lurking,I'm thinking of you and wishing you the best x

Life how are you?

Hello to everyone else

ExpatWifey Tue 02-Jul-13 08:31:46

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LizzieGreystock Tue 02-Jul-13 08:46:44

Hello, can I join in? You all sound so lovely. Hoping to start ICSI round four next week (3 unsuccessful ICSIs squeezed in before DH deployed to Afghanistan last year and 5 unsuccessful ETs, one from frozen while he was away) and feeling sick about it, tbh. It's really affected my health (long-term ME/CFS) and I'm dreading the next go-round. Male factor to begin with, but now my age (40) seems to be the problem.

Which all sounds kind of depressing, but I'm normally quite cheerful and won't drag y'all down, promise...!

MotorcycleMama, I am crossing my fingers and toes for you. I've been a sometime lurker for a bit and really hope this is your moment.

mejust Tue 02-Jul-13 09:11:06

Hello lizzie
Expat we fill a thread in 2 days ha ha

tametortie Tue 02-Jul-13 09:11:59

lizzie welcome! I will be starting round 4 in a 2/3 months. What stage are you at? Are you injecting? X

JuicySausage Tue 02-Jul-13 09:25:28

Motor, you must remember I've got a super-high hCG level and so have had strong symptoms from the get-go. My cycling buddy on FF is eight days ahead of me and very upset that she has zero symptoms and a hCG of 'only' 472.

Please, my lovely friends, don't look to my experience as a paradigm of early pregnancy. All our bodies are different and we must keep the faith for ourselves as well as each other thanks

Nobeer, PHEW! Relieved on your behalf that you did the right thing. Thinking of you tomorrow at EC.

Where is fabuluce?

Tortie, brave girl, keep looking ahead, we are here thanks

Welcome, LizzieGreystock! That's a proper Jilly Cooper name if ever I heard one. Glad you've joined us and sorry you're struggling with health problems. Stick around, it's a smashing thread which moves fast but it's like Corrie: you can miss it for weeks and then catch up with the plot lines as soon as you jump back in smile

Thinking of Wish x

ExpatWifey Tue 02-Jul-13 09:36:35

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I found you all <wipes sweat off brow>

Tame I think it is totally normal to feel like you are. And my eyes, you are definitely amazingly brave [smie]

Hello Lizzie! I am new too.

Nobeer so glad you had your mind up at rest. I felt so nervous doing my trigger last night!

Motor it's very early days still. You've only got to read a copy of Just 17 to find the people who didn't know they were pregnant until a baby fell outing in the toilets of burger king.

Expat i get you on the protein thing. So pleased the eggs are being removed tomorrow. You don't just have to eat meat though. Remind me where in your cycle you are?

I had a lie in this morning lazy cow as I had no jab to wake up for. Very strange.

wishicouldhavealargeMalibu Tue 02-Jul-13 09:54:56

Ladies it's official. AF started last night and it hurts like hell.

I'd love to say 'I'm ok' like many of you brave ladies have but I can't. I'm not ok and the thought of getting on with every day life without being pregnant is so scary. And embarrassing because I have to tell the people that know. I have today and tomorrow off work then I'm back to the shit hole without anything to get me through.

It's made me realise how brave you all are. motor and mejust I hope you get the results you deserve along with anyone else doing it all.

I'm sure ill be back and will be lurking but I need to get my head around all this. Love to you all x

LizzieGreystock Tue 02-Jul-13 09:55:26

Thanks mejust and expat for the lovely welcome.

Juicy, thanks a million. I grabbed my handle from Trollope and the character is an inveterate liar, but I promise I am not!

Tame, I'll be on short protocol this time because of my age and poor response the last couple of times. So it's possible I may start stimming by beginning of next week. I'm hoping that avoiding down-regulation this time round may lessen the fatigue. Are you doing anything to prepare for your next go in a couple of months?

We're starting at a new clinic with better numbers but poor admin so it's been a slightly stressful run up to getting everything ready. Now I just have a minor house move this weekend and the fervent hope that AF doesn't arrive early.

eurozammo Tue 02-Jul-13 10:03:59

tame thanks for getting the ball rolling with the new thread.

Welcome lizzie. Timing IVF around trips to the sandpit can't be making things easy for you!

nobeer I'm glad your trigger panic is sorted.

After not really being sure that I could be bothered, I tested this morning to see if the trigger had gone yet (9dpEC). There was still a hint of a line.

JuicySausage Tue 02-Jul-13 10:09:53

Maybe, I forgot you are laying priceless Beluga caviar tomorrow! Hope all goes smoothly.

Wish, I am so, so sorry xx

Lizzie, I have never read Trollope shock Talk to me about her books...

JuicySausage Tue 02-Jul-13 10:11:24

Zammo! What strength was your trigger shot and what brand? When did you shoot it?

Fabuluce Tue 02-Jul-13 10:15:04

Lurky McLurkster here - just popping my head up turtle-style for a moment to say hello I'm still here smile

Wish, I'm so sorry for your news, how devastated you must be feeling at the moment - that terrible feeling of 'oh'. 'What now' 'what was it all for'. You WILL pull through it as you know you will but do please let yourself wallow for a while. I think it's an important part of the grieving process. Same for you lovely Tame - don't feel guilty about feeling like shit, it's how you feel, and don't feel guilty for laughing either. Laughing is part of recovery and it's importantsmile- we all know this otherwise we wouldn't be on a Fred with Juicy making us cry with laughter over her exploits!! So wonderful ladies, give yourselves time to be sad and angry and fucked off and generally narky and embrace those laughs and chuckles when you can. Those bastard hormones will start to even out at some point which will help you feel more human too.

As for me, I'm enjoying being a housewife this week and taking the opportunity to sort out the nest before I feel like shit with the bastard drugs next week. Only 6 days to go, looking forward to it - bring on the big guns Drugs - I'm gonna win!!! Grrrr....feisty I am!

Fabuluce Tue 02-Jul-13 10:18:01

Oh and Tame I'm trying out the counsellor at zita west on Friday (I get 2 sessions as part of my package) - I'll let you know if she's any good. Xx

eurozammo Tue 02-Jul-13 10:22:56

Ovitrille. 250 unitsx2. Taken Friday 21 June. I'm 9dpEC.

I was still getting a hint of a line at 8dpEC last time with just one shot, so it's no surprise. I just don't metabolise anything hormonal well at all.

wish I'm so sorry AF is here. I really did have high hopes for you.

chocolocodowninacapulco Tue 02-Jul-13 10:23:13

wish so so sorry to hear that AF has arrived. I know that feeling, and it' s soul destroying Xx

Wish I'm so so sorry that AF has turned up. I hope you take some time to be kind to yourself. Thinking of you.

Euro am keeping my fingers crossed that that line starts to be darker in the coming days. Do you mind me asking why you had two shots of ovitrelle?

Juicy if I have any left over, shall I bring some with breadsticks?

mejust Tue 02-Jul-13 10:49:20

Wish I really feel for you I'm really sorry for your outcome but have to say thank you for your best wishes for me.
I know you had such a hard time through all this but battled on.I wish I could help but if you want to talk you know where we all are.
Take care xxxx

JuicySausage Tue 02-Jul-13 10:53:41

[waves at the fabulous fabuluce] smile

Zammo, no way does 500mu of Ovitrelle stay in the system for eleven days! I had 500mu, too, and the transfer nurse told me it will be out of my system by the sixth day. However, I will believe you about your weird metabolism doesn't really wink

Maybe, I would rather gouge my eyes out with a rusty spoon than eat that f*****g filth (and, yes, I've given up swearing) <self-righteous>

I need to walk approximately 120 yards to the post box to send my niece's birthday card but am too exhausted hmm

eurozammo Tue 02-Jul-13 10:58:03

Well 250 stayed in my systen for 10 days, so I find it pretty easy to believe joos. I am feeling quite periody so there's no need to get excited. If I thought there was, I would say so.

nomaybe because the dr told me to take 2! I questioned it and said I only had one last time, but he said I had more follicles so should take 2.

That's interesting Euro. There is much to learn about this whole thing!

Juicy I've never tried it. Though I am partialo. Bit of taramasalata grin

tametortie Tue 02-Jul-13 11:28:14

Lizzie- what clinic are you with?? It sounds like mine!!! X

nobeer Tue 02-Jul-13 11:52:03

I'm so sorry wish, that's just shit. Can you tell a good friend so you don't have to tell everyone yourself?

tametortie Tue 02-Jul-13 12:28:21

wish you know where we are when you are ready xxx tis shite sad

MotorcycleMama Tue 02-Jul-13 12:30:22

wish I am so, so sorry, and very touched by your extension of best wishes. To be honest I have a very strong feeling that I will be joining you. I just want to wish you strength and comfort, and you should just call in to the thread as and when you feel. I know it can be so hard.

Welcome lizzie and thanks for the best wishes. You have been through a hell of time with IVF - I hope you find support and laughter, and that you will soon get your success story.

nobeer Tue 02-Jul-13 12:34:44

maybe I just remembered you asked me about my embryos yesterday. I think they want to wait because my hormone levels escalated quite quickly, and they've prescribed me some dostinex to suppress my hormones after the EC. I was a bit disappointed when they told me, but then my lovely pharmacist told me to enjoy the month off! And I am happy they're going for the least risky route with me.

No idea if we have to pay the clinic for freezing the embryos confused.

nobeer Tue 02-Jul-13 12:37:59

euro I've got loads of follicles and they told me to take half an ovitrelle! It must depend on patient and their hormone levels etc.

MotorcycleMama Tue 02-Jul-13 12:49:31

Where are you life? I'm looking forward to an update on your lovely embryos!

ExpatWifey Tue 02-Jul-13 12:51:42

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mejust Tue 02-Jul-13 12:56:36

Nobeer its best to be safe than get ohss,they are looking after you good luck

Karbea Tue 02-Jul-13 13:32:11

I have such bad period pain. I wanted to go out holiday shopping today, but I can't stand up straight, or put anything tighter than tracksuit bottoms on sad

Nokkie73 Tue 02-Jul-13 13:40:49

You fuckers ! <finds thread having searched all over this bastard site>. That will teach me for going 'dark' for a few days but killing instadiffers won't do itself you know

Anyway, I shall purge The Rage from my very being and say a very energetic 'hello' to you all.

wish I am really sorry that it hasn't worked for you. I was in exactly the same situation as you (as many on here have been) and, to be honest, it just sucks. I won't repeat what has already been said here, but please don't leave the thread if you still need to offload and work through everything in your own mind (and are finding that hard to do in the RL). We are all here for you so please don't forget that.

tame you are still The Duchess of the thread and are NOT bringing it down, you dopey moo. You should offload here. So shooooosh grin. I didn't get counselling after my MC but, in hindsight, I wish I had. I couldn't speak about it to anyone, really. If I did, I would get so emotional that I would just start crying and my nearest and dearest really didn't know what to do or say. So the topic, over the years, would be ignored........DP also periodically, out of the blue, got it in the neck. I wouldn't worry - it's what they are there for (sometimes).

lizzie hello. Welcome. I am sorry that you have been through the ivf mill. Truly, it sucks the biggest throbbing, pulsating cock i am NOT obsessed with the sechs Now then, what is your favourite word for lady garden ?

choco you are at the starting line again then ? Getting back on the ivf fun bus ? Exciting times. Your post on t'other thread made me smile. Very cute !

joos is that some kind of fucking world record then ? Bejesus woman, how many are you cooking in there ? And do not give me any of that old fuckingbollocks about giving up swearing. Daft old cuntsack. So are you really feeling vomity ?

motor don't you DARE give up hope yet. Nor you, zammo you pair of rascals. Please. Come and have a go on the coffee coloured buzzwams and see how you feel after that.

life and nobeer am looking forward to updates from you two.

mejust I hope you are feeling a bit better now. Have you moulded into the sofa !

I am absolutely fucking sure I have left people off. fab expat maybe hello lovelies. Hello to everyone else too.

Should we all give lizzie an update on our journeeeees <cue some truly awful sad music a la Ex Factor>. In fact, we don't have a feem tune. Any suggestions ?

Noks, the Semi-Nubian Princess of Surrey and the Shires.

Nokkie73 Tue 02-Jul-13 13:41:24

karbs and res hello

Nokkie73 Tue 02-Jul-13 13:43:48

PS - are we meeting tame in town for Spaff Saturday ? Or would you rather not (no offence if you can't face it).

mejust Tue 02-Jul-13 13:57:37

Nokkie I'm feeling alittle better today,I'm part of the sofa now.I get up do few things then rest and so on.
Had a restless night and sore boobs I hope that's a good sign for me.

Lifeasafish Tue 02-Jul-13 14:59:48

I cannot face personals, sorry. Athough my best wishes to wish and tame.

wish i have no words for you bar take the time to grieve for what has happened. The clinics counsellor may help you make sense of it all.

I feel as sick as a fucking dog. I had heartburn for hours yesterday woke up at 3am with it, was still up at 5am and I just feel awful. My stomach is huge and painful and I'm tired and could cry with how I feel. Its like a ball of acid in my chest and I feel close to being sick all the time.

Anyway, good news is I am currently carrying a 5day hatching blastocyst. Umm grade 1AB I think. We are freezing two 3BB's and a possible further 3 which they will check tm.

ET was ok, they also scanned my stomah and liver, confirmed I am bloated (my stomach looks 3/4 months) and now I've 14 days of blood thinner injections.

I feel so wretched though. Oh, and I got the warning that if this is successful, I will feel worse again - I cannot even remember why.

Anyway, thats my tale of woe over. I'm not sure how I feel about the embie... It all seems a bit surreal.

Karbea Tue 02-Jul-13 15:01:51

life OHSS comes back with vengeance if you are preg.

MY STOMACH HURTS!!! and I think i'm getting a sore throat FFS!

mejust Tue 02-Jul-13 15:06:59

Life sorry your feeling awfull have you got ohss they say it gets worse with pregnancy maybe that's what they are talking about but I'm prob wrong,why are you on blood thinners?
This hasn't been easy for most of us regarding pain and discomfort.I didn't think we would feel that bad.
You could try drinking lucozade sport for bloating.
Well done on transfer and good news on embryos,hope your better soon

eurozammo Tue 02-Jul-13 15:07:08

You are PUPO fish! Hurrah!

Sorry you are feeling crappy, karbea.

I'm feeling very pre-menstrual, so I am sitting at my desk, eating chocolate. smile

Lifeasafish Tue 02-Jul-13 15:18:20

tame and wish

I just read back a bit. I cannot profess to understand how you are both feeling right now but I would like to point something out. I hope I am not speaking out of turn.

With this infertility malarkey each period, each time you have sex, each time you walk past mothercare it is a neon sign that 'we' cannot do the simplest of tasks that all life has done since the beginning of time - reproduce.

This means that we grieve for our fertility and our humanity and For you the lost opportunity as the goal has not been achieved. Not to mention that due to the drugs, the bleeding, the hormone, swollen breasts etc we are constantly carrying around d this burden of infertility - there is no reprieve. Just a mass of hope and despair simultaneously. And for those of us who believe in controlling our destiny/working for what we have, there is the double burden of putting all of what we use to get on in lie, into the hands of another.

So, with all that in mind, when it goes wrong of course you will struggle. You are grieving for so much with and without your partners. There is so much to make sense of, so many plans to change/adjust. Its huge and you do not have to be strong. Recognise that you have a lot to deal with, I cannot suggest enough to speak with people (counsellors and loved ones), don't hold back the grief.

It is natural to feel how you do.

Sorry if I have preached or waffled unnecessarily but my therapist pointed a lot of this out to me and told me it was ok to feel how I felt when others got pregnant. And it really, really helped with letting myself feel the grief then only when I was ready, put it away.


Lifeasafish Tue 02-Jul-13 15:24:24

Hi mejust, how are you doing? I'm on clexane to stop my blood from getting sticky. Appearently according to my google search just now it s often given to women who have miscarried in the past. I've never been pregnant.

I'v probably got mild OHSS - I've been bad since the EC although today has been the best day (pain is lower, but then the heart burn started yesterday and I think I prefer the pain). Due to antibiotics for EC I cannot take antacid.

Still, it won't last forever so I'll get through it.

ExpatWifey Tue 02-Jul-13 15:38:12

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Lifeasafish Tue 02-Jul-13 15:54:45

expat thats bought tears to my eyes. You know, I've found it really easy to be upbeat all this, and now I should be over the moon but I don't feel estatic or scared and I feel a bit guilty for that.

In fact, I wondered if the embie had been dropped on the floor as I felt more emotionally when I had the eggs inside.

When I woke up in the night I wrote a letter in my diary to my embies (as you do) and the eggs that passed and just assumed I'd feel that warmth about all of my essence as so to speak (both diminished eggs and all the embies inc those lost) yet I feel so... Normal.

DH went to work after ET so I am alone. My cat is deaf Which means she didn't hear me come in and hasn't yet done a meet and greet and I don't feel right.

I'm going to clean I think. Take my mind of it all. Sorry to offload here yet again, but I feel fucking awful. Like i've swallowed a vat of acid gel thats not shifting.

Lifeasafish Tue 02-Jul-13 16:00:58

Just seen the remedies - milk, i'm intolerant but am about to try the warm water and baking soda. At the moment i'd lick the inside of a public toilet if I though it would help (no I am not joking).

My sympathies with the uni friend. Those situations always make me think of a slap in the face with a wet fish. Which partly inspired my username.

Lifeasafish Tue 02-Jul-13 16:01:41

Thank you for the best wishes and the tips.

MotorcycleMama Tue 02-Jul-13 16:04:49

euro I feel totally pre-menstrual too. Abdominal cramps, tearful, stuffing my face. And knackered. I've left work early and am now lying in bed with a herbal tea, a bowl of popcorn and a bowl of grapes. Wish we had some chocolate in the house! When is your OTD? Mine is Monday, but I will probably test Saturday, and possibly before too, even though I keep telling myself I shouldn't.

ExpatWifey Tue 02-Jul-13 16:06:32

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eurozammo Tue 02-Jul-13 16:15:07

motor my OTD should be Sunday (usually 14dpEC at my clinic) but because it is a weekend, it is Monday instead, which I think is your OTD. I'll probably test on Friday or Saturday, if AF hasn't arrived before then.

life I'm sorry you are suffering so much. That sounds horrible!

expat you are right, it is all quite traumatic. Every time I find myself in stirrups staring at the ceiling while the chilly theatre AC blows air up my chuff, I find myself wondering why it couldn't happen for me after a romantic dinner and too much Chablis.

JuicySausage Tue 02-Jul-13 16:23:53

Motor, hang in there. You. Just. Don't. Know x

Fish, I don't know how to comfort you, you sound so inconsolable. Some people speak of a post-transfer slump so you could be feeling that, too. Your body's been through the wringer for sure, you poor thing. I'm thrilled at your great blasto being on board and you're so fortunate to have some to freeze. Well done, old girl! I do hope you feel better soon thanks

Life I'm so sorry you are feeling so rough. I hope that bicarbonate got the spot. With regards to indigestion remedies and antibiotics, it's usually ok to take them as long as you leave a couple of hours between taking the antibiotics and antacids.

tametortie Tue 02-Jul-13 20:47:38

Thank you to everyone for all your kind words to me and wish- you really are a fantastic bunch of ladies. I do love this Fred smile

I love the advice of just going with the grief, feel it, then put it away. Perhaps I have held back too many tears??

Thanks everyone xxx

Special love to fish for lovely advice when you are feeling so rough. <hair stroke> I always feel 'flat' after treatment and quite tearful. If I was actually feeling ill as well I think it would tip me over the edge!! Take it easy, and quiet congrats on a hatching blast. Know you are just exhausted at the mo but hope a tinge of excitement kicks in soon xxxxx

hello to everyone else smile hope all is well xxx looking forward to some.testing over the next week and ec tomorrow for no beer. Is nook having ec soon too???

Im off to bed cos Luther starts tonight.

But just want to tell you all that today is the first day in 4 weeks and 3 days that I haven't worn a sanitary towel!! "aaaaaaand im feeeeeeellliiing goooooooood!!!" <gruff soul voice>

Love to all xxx might check in after Luther.......

ExpatWifey Tue 02-Jul-13 21:16:49

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eurozammo Tue 02-Jul-13 21:25:26

tame that's great news. smile

I hear you on the sanitary towel wearing. I've been back to it for a week because of the fanny bullets and I hate it. During IVF diffage (and fanny bullets) and mc, I think I hit 2 months of an unfree fanny. Bleugh.

mejust Tue 02-Jul-13 21:29:36

Nobeer good luck for ec tomorrow.

That's great news Tame. Enjoy Luther. I've recorded it as I have been ordered to wait for DH to watch it!

Good luck tomorrow Nobeer thanks

eurozammo Tue 02-Jul-13 21:46:19

Good luck for tomorrow!

BrookerC Tue 02-Jul-13 21:48:18

wish so sorry it's not worked out. It truly is shit. Big hugs. X
fish sorry you're suffering. I find my bed to be the best remedy when nothing else works (not necessarily sleep-but dozing/reading/checking out ridiculously expensive handbags online that I can't afford, etc,etc). Hope the pain eases soon.
tame glad you're having a good day. Don't watch Luther-what am I missing?
karbea hope AF calms down & gives you a break. Maybe a little Internet holiday shopping as a distraction?
AFM starting stabbing today. Am crapping myself for tomorrow as DH usually does them but he's away until Sunday. Have a trial run tom while he watches hmm then all on my own for 3 days. Aahhhhh.
Must keep telling myself that compared to what some of you guys are dealing with it's a bloody breeze and I should stop being a big tart.

BrookerC Tue 02-Jul-13 21:49:51

Good luck for tomorrow nobeer

nobeer Tue 02-Jul-13 21:50:52

thank you!!! feeling bit sick/nervous. will update when I get home. good luck to you to maybe

Thanks Nobeer. I'm feeling the same!

BrookerC Tue 02-Jul-13 21:55:23

Ooh maybe sorry-ec for you tomorrow too? x

It is indeed Brooker shock

tametortie Tue 02-Jul-13 22:04:59

Good luck tomorrow nomaybe !! X

Thanks so much Tame x

tametortie Tue 02-Jul-13 22:10:54

I predict 30+ eggs for nomaybe and nobeer combined grin xxx

LizzieGreystock Tue 02-Jul-13 22:14:39

Oh Wish, I feel so wretched for you. I think we've all had that 'sod it, I can't go on and I bloody well shouldn't have to' moment. I think Life has it just right when she says you don't have to be strong, if (and I'm totally inserting my own interpretation here) 'strong' implies being cheerful or stoic in the face of the utterly unfair. You feel how you feel and it isn't fair that you're in this situation, tbh. And you don't have to feel better or different about it on anyone else's timeline either - though of course I hope you will feel a bit less awful very soon.

I think IVF is so much about 'you should feel this' and 'you must do that' - and you spend so much emotional energy getting yourself through to always yet another new step or phase of it - that there are unexpected moments when you just fall over.

Like Life suddenly feeling emotionally empty after ET (not to mention being bloody ill into the bargain...).

We're all on this relentless conveyor belt of cycling or waiting to cycle, and being good little citizens because if we don't comply we'll regret it. We have almost no control of our bodies or our destinies so we sort of try to keep the emotions tamped down or react 'appropriately', or expect ourselves to be on a neat little timeline of emotion/expression/resolution. Sometimes the emotions just rear up on you unexpectedly and say they're the boss. It's primal stuff. The drugs don't exactly help either. wink

That's my theory anyway. Explains my own massive and inappropriate toy-thrown-from-pram routine in response to pretty humdrum daily stuff. Did I say theory? I meant excuse in my case...

LizzieGreystock Tue 02-Jul-13 22:18:01

Juicy, re. Trollope, actually I was coming over all old-school and meant anthony trollope, not joanna. He wrote big, thick Victorian doorstoppers. Bit of an acquired taste, but The Eustace Diamonds is the best fun.

tametortie Tue 02-Jul-13 22:21:27

lizzie excellent insight x

BrookerC Tue 02-Jul-13 22:22:35

Nice post lizzie and makes total sense. I completely get the inappropriate tantrum thing. DH today 'I'm scared of your reaction to what I say 50% of the time' confused. I thought I was doing ok! It just goes to show how this whole thing affects you.

LizzieGreystock Tue 02-Jul-13 22:29:44

Catching up on the day's posts; Motor from earlier on, thanks so much. I"m keeping fingers and toes crossed for you. We all have some stories to tell!

Nokkie; my favourite terms for the lady garden are chuff, twat and gee. Actually, lady garden is my favourite one. Oh, and one that is kind of old fashioned and starts with a q? can't remember it just now. Oh, and minge. I love them all, really. And your still hot and humid love for the sechs is heartening. I'm getting to like it again, myself, now that it's become a purely recreational practice once more.

LizzieGreystock Tue 02-Jul-13 22:34:06

Thanks tame. There was something on the tip of my tongue to type to you from earlier, but I think I broke me brains in the meantime and can't remember it!

Oh Brooker, I've gotten into horrible bad habits of over-reactions and just general irritability with DH. I know exactly what you mean. The weird thing I have with all of this - and maybe in life more generally - is I tend to think I'm much more in control of my emotions than I am until I either explode or someone close points it out. They really do bear the brunt, don't they?

Now I must go as I said I'd be in bed in five minutes half an hour ago. Sleep well.

It's Quim Lizzie! I love it too!!

You speak total sense. This whole process it's such a massive upheaval.

Right Nobeer we have been set a challenge by Tame. Reckon we can crack it? shameless egg joke, James Martin style

tametortie Tue 02-Jul-13 22:43:27

Lizzie- I asked earlier what clinic you are with?? You said about them having poor admin and I am with nurture- they are notorious for bad admin apparently!

BrookerC Tue 02-Jul-13 22:45:27

Night night all. Must get my 8 hours in..

tametortie Tue 02-Jul-13 22:46:42

30+ ladies. No less. <spins in chair and strokes white fluffy cat>

tametortie Tue 02-Jul-13 22:49:05

Quim??? <boak>

Nokkie73 Tue 02-Jul-13 23:17:24

Good luck maybe and beer. Ffs, do what The Duchess says and get 30+eggies or we're all in trouble.

lizzie your post was excellent. Really insightful and a great summary. And I don't just mean about the hundred different names for one's klopper.

Nighty night y'all. My pit is calling to me.

Noks xx

nobeer Tue 02-Jul-13 23:24:24

Maybe you're on! I will try to ask them how many when I come round from GA, and will update when I get home! Tame this is an insane challenge but I love it! It is 30 between us, isn't it? Not 30 each?!

Night night all!

JuicySausage Tue 02-Jul-13 23:47:59

I'll be thinking of you both, Nobeer and Maybe.

JuicySausage Tue 02-Jul-13 23:48:50

Where are you, NookNook? Did I miss you today? x

NookNook Wed 03-Jul-13 03:55:18

I'm here Juicy! Yes I am writing this at 3.30 in the morning (I may have taken my steriods a bit late).

I'm so sorry to have been so quiet yesterday. I have been reading the comments. Tame and Wish you are two awesome ladies. I can't say much more than has already been said. Tame you've been such a support to us all and I'm glad we can support you too when you need it. This whole situation is a pile of fucking kak. The others may have said it a bit better...

Hello Lizzie and Broker!

Good luck today Beer and Maybe!

AFM I feel I should explain my absence. We are actually moving house today and so I've been really sidetracked with that. I didn't say anything before because I thought it would out me but I've decided not to care.

Anyways, got the call yesterday to say that all three eggs were mature and all three fertilised! Twas a bit of a shock. We are going in today for ET as they want to stick whatever is left back in asap. That doesn't fill me with a great dwal of hope but frankly I'm happy to have gotten this far. This is definitely the last IVF we will do. I can't do the drugs and upheaval again.

So... up at 6.30 for removal men and at the hospital at 11 for ET and then homeless for a couple of hours. You couldn't make this shit up!

Big waves to everyone else. I'm going to do a bit more reading back now. X

NookNook Wed 03-Jul-13 04:02:56

Life congratulations on being PUPO. It sounds like you've been through the ringer though. I hope you're getting a good night's sleep. What a lovely idea to write to the embies and eggs.

Karb big hugs for you. I remember AF nearly finished me off last time! It really is the icing on a big fat turd cake, no?

NookNook Wed 03-Jul-13 04:05:11

I'm rather enjoying this stealth posting. No cross-posting and I'm not struggling to keep up with the crazy fast typers - yes I'm looking at you Tame and Juicy.

NookNook Wed 03-Jul-13 04:08:44

Ok last one - I'm so incredibly warmed by the fact that although it was an emotional and difficult day on the thread you all still managed to get some lady garden conversion in there. <proud> <wipes tear from eye>

Right I'm going to attempt to sleep now. Night night. X

Fabuluce Wed 03-Jul-13 06:25:13

Good luck Nobs, Maybs and Nooks today - big day for you all! Nook I don't know how you do it all - moving house at the same time???? Insane!!!!

Quim - highly underused but now possibly my new fave - quim quim quim - yes I think I like it!!

In other news I'm making the infamous borlotti bean (plus other stuff) stew tonight!! I may even make my own bread too...

Fabuluce Wed 03-Jul-13 06:51:04

Apols for the over active use of the !! In my defence it was bloody early...

Lifeasafish Wed 03-Jul-13 07:19:24

Morning all!

lizzie that was a wonderful summary. I cannot remember what 'just living' was anymore.

nobeer and maybe looking forward to hearing your hauls today! Good luck!

everyone else thank you for your support yesterday. I felt so, so desperately wretched. But I feel as bright as a button today and long may it last.

euro I don't know if it was the baking soda or the warm water but I do not feel heartburn this morning (please don't come back) and at present I'm visualising you as an angel.

I fell asleep during Luther. After waiting a year for it, I am so not impressed!

And... I'm finally elated that I am PUPO grin DH just told me to take it easy today and pointed out Regardless of how long it lasts, I am currently carrying his heir grin

Lifeasafish Wed 03-Jul-13 07:21:35

nooks good luck for today and you must and should be well chuffed with the embies! Have you got a stick with a filled red hanky hanging of the end?

MotorcycleMama Wed 03-Jul-13 07:29:56

Congratulations fish. So glad you are feeling better.

Good luck nook beer and maybe - I hope all turns out well.

I look forward to hearing all your news.

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MotorcycleMama Wed 03-Jul-13 07:59:59

Hi expat. I'm struggling, though feel a bit stronger today after a full on tear-fest all day yesterday. I just feel so sure that I am not pregnant and even though I knew the odds of failure were 50 % I allowed myself to hope and dream, and am now paying for that. I wish I could be more positive. I will do an early test tomorrow, which will be 5dp5dt, but I'm not looking forward to it. I plan to be more attentive to others on here when I'm in a better place emotionally. I hope your bleeding stops soon. X

mejust Wed 03-Jul-13 08:23:34

Nook good luck for transfer
Nobeer and maybe go get them eggs good luck.

Hi expat how are you? Thanks for asking after me I feel so much better today actually close to normal ,all the drugs and pain have gone and I can walk with out moving like a sloth ha ha,I'm just hoping on a bfp now.

Motor please don't give up its very early you have to be positive,I refuse to let you give up hope,you haven't even tested yet.some don't get symptoms for weeks.
Take it easy and please don't stress ill test with you tomorrow if you still doing one then xx

Life glad you feel better,the lucozade sport is suppossed to relieve ohss symptoms give it a try and lots of fluid and got there in the end xx

Wish thinking of you x

Hey juicy how's the twins?

Hi to euro tam lizzie fab brook and everyone else

tametortie Wed 03-Jul-13 08:46:39

Morning all, will be back with personals later- am just walking into work!

nokkie all good for coffee and cake Saturday!! Will pm you x PS. LOVE 'the duchess'!!

Smell ya laters grin

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nobeer Wed 03-Jul-13 10:05:53

22 eggs, ladies. TWENTY TWO! according to Dr this is very good "for your age". still feel bit woozy nauseous. but think they'll let me home soon. xx

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eurozammo Wed 03-Jul-13 10:13:00

Bloody hell nook that's quite some day you have there! Good luck with it all. 3 mature eggs is brilliant, and it's even better that they have all fertilised.

Quim is a great word. Although I also quite like lady garden as it fits well with the tending and maintenance stuff.

fish it wasn't me with the baking soda recommendation, but I'll lap up the praise anyway. grin

lizzie wise words. It wasn't until I was briefly preggo that I remembered who the real me was. I had lost her slowly in the misery of long term ttc, but she was back for a few weeks.

nobeer that is an amazing haul (how old are you, btw?). Rest well now. <drums fingers waiting for news from maybe>

AFM, I'm ok, still crampy and feeling properly PMT mental. Don't feel preggo at all so like motor I'm sure it hasn't worked. I'm now 8dp2dt

ExpatWifey Wed 03-Jul-13 10:14:38

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Just a quick one from me. 16 eggs. We did it nobeer xxx

mejust Wed 03-Jul-13 10:30:19

Maybe 16 that's great rest up now.

Nobeer 22 eggs wow great news.

Yes I remember the queens nose and the 50p .

eurozammo Wed 03-Jul-13 10:57:31

Hurrah! 16 is great. Now enjoy a nice rest. smile

nobeer Wed 03-Jul-13 11:29:12

euro i'm a mere 40, 41 in 3 weeks (24 in my head). I know 22 sounds amazing, but they won't all be mature and now we just have to wait and see how many will fertilize. I think it's all thanks to hyperstimulated ovaries!

well done maybe for your great achievement too! thanks thanks Hope we both get some good news of the next few days.

Thank you you lovely lot thanks. Am almost home now. The sperm is defrosting really well too! I didn't think we would get this far! Am on strict orders to rest completely for. Few days, then I can do lots of walking, but running is a no no apparently.

You lot are such fantastic support x

eurozammo Wed 03-Jul-13 11:52:21

nobeer, a spring chicken then! But really, 22 is a big number at any age!

That's great news maybe. Rest well.

JuicySausage Wed 03-Jul-13 12:52:18

Well done, maybe and nobeer! What superb hauls xx

Nook, I'm well-chuffed for you, darling x

Where is the lovely twinkle? Thinking of you, chuck x

We're having steak burgers for tea with roasted garlic mayo and all the trimmings plus chippy chips. Get in!!

Being vomiting in my mouth all morning at th'ozzie smile

JuicySausage Wed 03-Jul-13 12:52:56

*'been', obvs.

JuicySausage Wed 03-Jul-13 12:54:35

Lizzie, you must think me terrifically thick with my Trollope gaffe blush I own some doorstop Victorian novels but they are used to..well..wedge our doors open wink

NookNook Wed 03-Jul-13 13:02:02

Amazing news nobeer and maybe!!! You really smashed through that 30 target!

Euro c'mon now! None of that talk from you. Big hugs. This is the worst part. You're doing brilliantly.

AFM I've got 2 embies on board! One is grade 3 and one is grade 3/4. The other one is grade 2 and they'll leave it for a few days to see what happens. Not expecting that one to last though.

eurozammo Wed 03-Jul-13 13:08:33

The odd thing is nook that I am actually fine with it. I think I am as scared of it working and going through all that again as I am of it not working. Que sera, sera.

Hurrah for being PUPO! How does the grading system work at your clinic? At mine, 1 is the best and 4 is the worst.

Nokkie73 Wed 03-Jul-13 13:08:50

The Duchess will be soooooo pleased.

Well done maybe beer and nook. Absolutely stunning news. After everything, it's really great that you have come this far. X

fish am glad you are feeling a bit better. You too, mejust. You both deserve to have a few good days - you have really been through it.

euro and motor I am sending you a loving handhold for the next few days. I am wishing bfp's for you both though and you can't stop me

joos am sorry you have been to vomiton all morning. Are you resting-up ? Any news from the hospital ?

tame brill. PM me. Anyone else - Mr Tame is coming into town for Spaff Saturday and, while he is enjoying a bit of 'me time', The Duchess will be receiving her public at a cafe in town. Feel free to join us if you can. Let us know and we can PM you with details.

Hi to everyone else.

Noks xx

BrookerC Wed 03-Jul-13 13:09:06

You did it maybe & nobeer. Fantastic !!
nook great news on the embies-hope it goes well. How's the house move going? Hope you're not doing too much.
mejust life glad you're feeling brighter today smile
motor try & hang on in there. I know it's so,so tough but it's not over yet. X
tame I just imagined you walking into work dressed like Keira Knightley.grin
Hello everyone else [waves]
Afm managed to stab myself for the first time today (which is no mean feat as I am prone to passing out at the mere sight of a needle- & I'm not exaggerating!) Peace of piss really-don't know what I was worried about. Junkiesville here I come.!

Nokkie73 Wed 03-Jul-13 13:09:55

nook congrats on being PUPO !

BrookerC Wed 03-Jul-13 13:14:49

Congrats nooks you are PUPO!
Btw never heard Quim before but it's my new favourite word smile

NookNook Wed 03-Jul-13 13:23:13

Euro I hear you. It's not goig to be very relaxing when it works!

The grading system is 4 is the best.

I'm currently sitting on the floor of our old house watching DH attempt to hoover. This is surely more stressful that actually doing it myself...

Motor how are you doing?

mejust Wed 03-Jul-13 13:29:30

Well done nook x

tametortie Wed 03-Jul-13 13:36:39

Well done everyone. The duchess approves! grin

Any news on joos' second hcg???

Love good news!! Xxxx

tametortie Wed 03-Jul-13 13:40:42

Where has this duchess thing come from anyway?? I do love it- is it because I sound upper crust daaahhhhlings?? Xxxx

eurozammo Wed 03-Jul-13 13:57:36

Well done on become a junkie brooker. The first time is the hardest, so you are over the worst bit.

nook I thought that might be the case by what they chose to put back. You have two great embies on board!

mejust Wed 03-Jul-13 14:17:44

Hello nokkie

Brook well done on stabbing

mejust Wed 03-Jul-13 14:22:42

The 2ww is starting to get to me I'm 6dp 3dt and its starting to drag.

JuicySausage Wed 03-Jul-13 16:10:54

Well done on the injections, muthabrooker, I really miss my bum pricks sad Still have my belly ones 'til 12 wks though smile

Nook, I'm grinning like a Cheshire cat at your many positive vibes coming your way x

Mejust, stay cool x

Hiya, Nokkie! grin Wish I could come and have a gay day with you slappers sad <stares forlornly at parasol>

fish, what a lovely, buoyant post from you this morning, really heartwarming to know you're feeling positive at last. Enjoy being PUPO x

My second beta hCG measured 2,751 and my heartbeat scan is next Friday at 6+1 wks. Can't stop ruddy grinning grin

Juicy that's amazing news!

Well done Brooker. My favourite part of the drugs was the sharps bin. Responsible druggie.

Hurrah for being a PUPO Nook. Sounds like you've gt some top quality tadpoles in there.

Tame, in my head, your Scottish. I don't know why. I call my dad Dutch. He calls me duke. Long story.

I feel more pissed now than earlier!

eurozammo Wed 03-Jul-13 16:36:54

That's great new, joos!

nobeer Wed 03-Jul-13 16:59:13

that's great juicy!!! smile

Brooker, well done on the injections. The first is def the hardest. you'll soon be an old hand at it!

BrookerC Wed 03-Jul-13 17:31:06

Thanks for the encouragement ladiessmile. It really does help.
maybe I remember that feeling [swoon]. Enjoy. X
juicy how are feeling about the twins? Looks like you've got some extra planning to absolutely bloomin' marvellous! And what's happened to the bastard swearing???

JuicySausage Wed 03-Jul-13 17:49:17

Raaaaaaa......!!!! Just got the quote from fertility2u for the drugs and injections needed to take me to 12 weeks...£450! Bloody ridiculous and I'm sure I don't need frigging Clexane at £300 sad Or do I? Obviously I would never risk the health of my pregnancy but what the actual feck?!

JuicySausage Wed 03-Jul-13 17:50:24

Brooker, I've given up swearing and Greggs pasties for fear of giving birth to a child as common as me sad

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MotorcycleMama Wed 03-Jul-13 17:54:54

Great news re your embies nook and glad that things are turning out a lot better than you feared. I'm doing okay today. I'm still pessimistic, but I'm coping with that.

Congratulations on your haul beer and maybe - now rest up!

juicy your beta hcg is impressive - brilliant news. No wonder you're grinning!

Thanks for kind words mejust - we'll test tomorrow eh?

With you all the way euro - fingers crossed for success.

Hi to everyone else I have failed to name check.

resipsa Wed 03-Jul-13 17:57:22

Juicy my love (said in patronising tone), if you are having 2 (or even 1) you'll soon come to realise £300 just-in-case is a drop in the the world of baby, money loses all meaning!

MotorcycleMama Wed 03-Jul-13 17:58:24

Why do you need clexane juicy? And what else have they recommended? I thought that oestrogen and progesterone (and of course your pregnancy multivits) were all that was needed? Trouble is, they have you over a barrel don't they? Your never going to turn down something that they say is important for the development of your babies!

resipsa Wed 03-Jul-13 17:58:41

Oh motor good luck, eh? You never know and Juicy has set a cracking DE pace to follow.

JuicySausage Wed 03-Jul-13 18:00:22

I know, I know! We can't afford twins <wails> I shouldn't be on this thread, either. My worries are absurd when others are suffering on here. Please forgive me sad

Motor, I am praying for great news for you tomorrow X

From now on I will lurk only. I love you all, I really do..

JuicySausage Wed 03-Jul-13 18:03:48

<returns briefly to answer Motor> I think Clexane is a blood thinner and I do believe they chuck it at any woman who has ever suffered a miscarriage hmm They want me to take it until I'm 12 wks so it's 10 boxes of injections. The progesterone pessaries are £90 - fairy muff - and then bits of oestrogens for a few quid. It's the Clexane that's done it <damning>

resipsa Wed 03-Jul-13 18:04:36

Don't you dare go anywhere; you're on here to keep us all going.

MotorcycleMama Wed 03-Jul-13 18:06:28

Don't just lurk you idiot! You make me laugh even when I think the world has come to an end. And we want to know how it all unfolds, and be there for you throughout. X

eurozammo Wed 03-Jul-13 18:11:44

joos my clinic puts everyone on Clexane as standard (as you say, it is a blood thinner). It's on the standard drugs sheet (including the one I was given for my first IVF when I had never miscarried.) I declined it. When I had my nk cells tested, they also ran the blood clotting tests. They were all clear, so it doesn't seem necessary for me. But most people haven't had those tests, so I think they just put everyone on it at some clinics.

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resipsa Wed 03-Jul-13 18:16:41

Off topic - AF is MIA. CD45 now. Clinic says just see what happens. Do you reckon the old ovaries overdid it when they produced 8 eggs in late April so have gone into hibernation?

Clexane hurts.

JuicySausage Wed 03-Jul-13 18:20:08

Aw, fanks, slappers but I really do need to be a little tactful. The problem is I don't really have anywhere to go - the IVF Worriers thread feels strange as they're all well ahead of me and the antenatal thread for normals is full of mummies who already have six little darlings at home. It feels quite wrong to bring any post-BFP worries to this thread. So I shall shut me gob and simply roar you all on smile

Zammo, thanks for that clarification. The Bank Of Dad just stepped in blush

resipsa Wed 03-Jul-13 18:23:04

Joos not to say you're not tactful but if that's what people on here wanted, they'd be elsewhere IYKWIM.

You can't beat the rate at that bank grin

mejust Wed 03-Jul-13 18:27:03

Motor yep ill test in morning it may be little soon but we'll give it a try x

resipsa Wed 03-Jul-13 18:35:00

Good luck to you too mejust. I remember test day - how can you be desperate to know and not to know something at the same time. Madness.

No Juicy no!! <falls on floor dramatically so to gain sympathy vote to make her stay>

NookNook Wed 03-Jul-13 18:46:29

Juicy don't you dare leave me again <clings to Juicy's leg>

Mejust good luck for the morning wee!

My battey is dead and I have no fucking idea where the charger is. I bid you akl farewell until I can find it. Xxx

Karbea Wed 03-Jul-13 18:55:49

Good luck mejust

resipsa clexane is the devils drug! It's the reason I've a gorgeous black belly right now, the needle hurts when you put it in, and then the actual clexane stings, horrible, horrible!

BrookerC Wed 03-Jul-13 18:57:00

juicy we NEED you on here. It reminds us why the feck we're doing this. So stay for our sakes goddammit!

mejust Wed 03-Jul-13 18:58:09

Thanks it not official test day but me and motor are going crazy so we hope we get nice surprise.

Fabuluce Wed 03-Jul-13 18:59:47

Ahem joos - I may only be lurking myself but you so need to stay with us until 12 weeks at the very least! It's all scary stuff and we are the people who know what it's like - we need to know that good news is out there and that we have the support when it hasn't been good news for us. Only those who've been through all this shite can truly understand your fears lovely. Smug mums who get preggers at the sniff of some spaff just wont ever get it! Even though you've had such wonderfully fabulous news this time you are a down to earth mother trucker who will give us support, understanding and uproarious laughter - now get your funk back on, bring back the swearage and stick with us please!

JuicySausage Wed 03-Jul-13 19:25:28

Blimey, I really, really love you lot <wipes snot on curtains> Of course I'll support you the very end. Now...*COME OOOOON!!!!* <post-Murray roar>

LizzieGreystock Wed 03-Jul-13 20:54:41

Tame, ah, thanks for the reminder! I'll be at argc for the next cycle, all going well with day 1 blood test, whenever day one chooses to arrive - hopefully early next week.

Quim! Wonderful word. So self-contained.

Nobeer - 22 eggs is phenomenal. Well done! (Bloody hell, you're 40? That's an amazing result.)

Maybe - crikey, 16? You lot are clearly a bunch of over-achievers. I will need to up my game. grin

Nook three out of three fertilised is a fantastic result.

Hi Mejust, so glad you are feeling a bit better.

Euro, that is so poignant, getting the feeling of your old self back for just a few weeks. I had a chat recently with a close family friend who's embarking on round three, and we were both agreeing that there's no return to the pre-TTC innocence for ourselves or our relationships. So what you said is both lovely and unbearably sad, given it was so short-lived. Hug.

LizzieGreystock Wed 03-Jul-13 20:58:48

Juicy, hee hee I am far from thinking you are stupid! I was kicking myself for not thinking 'oh, Joanna, of course'. I'm not working at the mo and am reading some Victorian door-stoppers.

me but Bleak House is so dull. I'm only ploughing on because the spine is cracked to about two thirds of the way along and I can't bear it sitting on the shelf for the next decade, advertising to all that it wasn't finished.

tametortie Wed 03-Jul-13 21:28:25

Hello you bunch of old tarts....

lizzie ARGC?? you are a posh bird. The clinic I am at is notorious apparently for poor admin but we havent had a problem- it just struck a chord when you said that. I have heard that ARGC is quite disorganised but they do get amazing results despite the cha-ching! cha-ching! And all those blood tests??!!! Bet you have arms like an addict by time you are at the end of a cycle?!

nomaybe I have never even been to scotland you daft sod. I come from Middle England pet. If England were a dart board, my head is bullseye. Well done on 16 eggs- amazing!! fingers crossed for good fertilisation x

nobeer I am extremely envious!! 22 eggs??!!!! wonderful. I am sure with some good fertilisation, there will be lots of embies for you x

fish how lovely to hear that you are feeling brighter. Long may it last!! Stay positive xxx We need to get you back in the Czech call centre..... I still laugh about that on a daily basis! blush You are a fabulous asset to this thread and I'm praying for a good result smile

motor and mejust are you both testing tomorrow???? How many dpt will you both be???? Everything crossed xxxx

fab Hello xx Hope you are well and ready to start x

nook Have you had ET today? All 3 fertilised is fab! Well done you x

Karbea Hope you are ok?? Still on the wine coffee and chocolate?? I found out dairy milk is gluten free so I have eaten a lot smile

respisa perhaps your cycle is just a little messed up?? it will settle. How are things with DH??

Euro How are you feeling my love? Any inklings or murmurs? When is OTD? xxx

expat How are you? Any updates your end? Do you have a review booked? xxx

Choco where are you?????!!!!!!!!!! You have started treatment now and we want an update!!!

Hope Rachel and flowers are ok???

nokkie Do you know any amazing cake shops near where I am going??? We need to eat lots of cake.... I hope you dont mind but will have DD with me? She is very very funny but talks for England. I think you will like her smile

Have I missed anyone??? If I have hello and sorry

I have had a lovely day grin Nurture called this morning at 8am cancelling my review appt on the 19th August. I called them back to rearrange and have only managed to get an appointment 6 days earlier with their Clinical Director!! Yay!! He is supposed to be amazing so I am happy we will see him- there is usually a wait. We will have DH's results by then as well so should be able to make proper plans. Also have a support call with the nurses next week- they do this as standard after a MC so that they can check you are ok and don't need any extra support. I will see how I am am over the next week and if I feel like I did at the weekend, I will see if I can see a counsellor.

I feel happier in general. Doesn't mean to say I will feel happy tomorrow but for today, I am. Work was really nice and relaxed and just feel generally happier and calmer. DH is being fab as well, he is an angel.

Quick question- has anyone used proxeed plus? Or heard about it? Mel B has told dH to take it but its gonna cost us about 60 quid a month which is just bonkers. opinions please!!

love to all xxx

tametortie Wed 03-Jul-13 21:51:44

Aaaaaagggggggghhhhhhh knew I had missed could I????!!!

juicy what an amazing blood result! Fab. Truly made my day. Can't wait for scan results next week. grin and dont bother going anywhere. We love you here. We live your news and views and I for one will take great joy in hearing all about baby's progress.

Your good news is all our good news xxx


Karbea Wed 03-Jul-13 21:58:01

lizzie I'm with the Argc smile

FlowersBlown Wed 03-Jul-13 22:21:34

Hello everyone and thanks for remembering me here! I'm here reading all your updates and rooting for you. wish I'm so sorry that it didn't work out for you. And juicy it must be twins! So brilliant but you won't sleep for years!

Not much happening here yet but we start short protocol on the 1st day of next AF whenever that decides to appear. Feel ok, infact pretty damn cheerful, but I don't think I always realise how wound up I am until something happens to set me off. Had a minor melt down when we turned up at the hospital last week only to find we'd been given the wrong date for the information session. We've done it now anyway so we are ready to go. Funnily enough they remembered me on reception...

tametortie Wed 03-Jul-13 22:24:22

Is anyone watching Luther or Hannibal at present?

Im totally troubled by the insane behaviour of the 'bad guys' in these programmes.

I want a divan bed, the loft bricked up, no frigging blenders in the house and im going veggie.

Im freaked out. confused

Nokkie73 Wed 03-Jul-13 22:24:59

tame I have just pm'd you, Your Grace. grin

mejust and motor I will be really hoping for good results for you both tomorrow. Xx

joos fuck the Gods. You have given-up Greggs ? shock. I have heard that if you do that up north, you get your passport revoked and sent to the mines. Is it true ? Oh and don't go anywhere you massive quim fart. Ffs, stop flouncing around and stay here. Where you belong. And START SWEARING AGAIN. Lovely news on the hcg levels though.

Hello to everyone else. Would anyone else like to join The Duchess for tea on the lawn on Saturday ?

Noks xx

Nokkie73 Wed 03-Jul-13 22:28:51

tame. I have a few episodes of Loofa to catch-up on before I can dig into the new series. Is it good ?

Tame. I'm watching both. Luckily our beds a low one and we don't have a loft! I do have a magimix though. But give up meat?! No chance. Middle England you say? Definitely not Scottish then hides the haggis

Keeping very thing crossed for Mejust and Motor tomorrow.

I feel rubbish tonight and DH is working a night shift. I thi k waiting for tomorrow's call is the worst part of this process so far sad

tametortie Wed 03-Jul-13 22:34:38

I call it loofa!!

It is fab, just gory and scary.

eurozammo Wed 03-Jul-13 22:34:43

Yeah, the first time I made Mr euro give the clinic his number so he got the fertilisation call and could break it to me gently!

That was a wise move euro. But DH won't even be awake when the call comes!

nobeer Wed 03-Jul-13 22:47:49

know what you mean maybe. fortunately my brother is visiting so catching up with him is distracting me. think I might have overdone things today and should have stayed in bed/on sofá more. hopefully i'll sleep ok and ovaries will go down a tad overnight.
good luck tomorrow, be thinking of you xx

I'll be thinking of you too Nobeer. I really haven't been able to do much today. I'm hoping that tomorrow ill feel much better. Hope you have fun catching up with your brother x

tametortie Wed 03-Jul-13 22:52:26

nobeer get some rest!! You will feel really sore in a few days if you dont rest up now xxx

wishicouldhavealargeMalibu Wed 03-Jul-13 22:57:53

Good luck for tomorrow's test mejust and motor. Good luck for when you test too euro

I'm still keeping up to date with everyone. I just have to...

Congrats to nobeer and nomaybe. Make sure you rest cause you'll regret it if you don't. I did! It's bloody 'urts.

juicy you're like a mobile daycare centre

I had to crawl out from under my rock to check in.

Love to everyone else xxx

JuicySausage Wed 03-Jul-13 22:58:58

The Chamomile Lawn? <erudite>

Nokkie73 Wed 03-Jul-13 22:59:03


tametortie Wed 03-Jul-13 23:03:28

wish <hair stroke> hope you are ok xxxx lots of love xxxx

JuicySausage Wed 03-Jul-13 23:06:58

Wish, we love you x

Best of luck for tomorrow mejust and motor, I'm so nervous for you both!

Flowers, great to hear from you. Tell us why the receptionist remembered hair or summat?

*Lizzie, stop trying to make me feel better about the Trollope debacle. The shame!

Whats all this about Luther Vandross? I love gore, me. Is it summat on Sky telly?

Thanks again, slags, for being so lovely thanks Please let's have more BFPs..

JuicySausage Wed 03-Jul-13 23:08:51

Tortie, that's a proper turn-up for the books is that! Clinical Director! I can feel your positivity about talking to The Boss and getting some expert insight...brilliant X

JuicySausage Wed 03-Jul-13 23:11:40

NokkedUp, I honestly can't bring myself to cuss in front of the kid(s) and you're quite wrong about passports being revoked around these parts if you abstain from Greggs - it's SunnyD, is that...

MotorcycleMama Thu 04-Jul-13 05:16:48

Morning all. I woke up predictably early in anticipation. Looks like a BFN for me at this stage - 5dp5dt. There is a Very Feint second pink line (the only very feint second line I've ever seen in all my time TTC) but it is so feint I'll take that as a BFN for now. Will test again in a few hours on Saturday. I feel very pre-AF, but nothing else of note.

Good luck mejust - if you decide to test today. X

Hello wish - lovely to hear from you. Your absence from the thread is respectfully noted every day. Hope your rock is giving you a safe place from which to recover, and that Mr Wish is looking after you.

Hi euro I think you are being sensible and not doing any of this mis-guided early testing, aren't you? How are you getting on?

MotorcycleMama Thu 04-Jul-13 05:20:34

Looking forward to hearing your news beer and maybe. Best of luck.

MotorcycleMama Thu 04-Jul-13 05:26:30

tame Great news about your appointment - I'm glad you are being taken seriously. And so glad that you are feeling a bit happier in general - such a relief, I know.

Motor! A faint line you say!!! This sounds very promising indeed grin. Am I right in thinking you didn't trigger?

Cannot sleep. Am too nervous about phone call. And feel as though my stomach is full of farts air.

MotorcycleMama Thu 04-Jul-13 05:34:19

Thanks for all the words of encouragement nokkie nook juicy resipsa and anyone else I have missed. X

MotorcycleMama Thu 04-Jul-13 05:39:56

Hi maybe - it is a nail-biting time waiting for that call isn't it?? What time did they say they would call you?

I didn't trigger, no, but seriously, when I say faint (I think I wrote feint in my original post blush but it was very very early) I mean faint.

I am still very excited for you. I get giddy at a bit of piss stick action. They said they'd call before 9. Have run through all possibilities in my head.

Fabuluce Thu 04-Jul-13 06:43:54

Hi motor - just for the record with my first ivf I felt like AF was about to happen pretty much from just carried on and on but every day, no bleeding and then there I was pregnant! Everything I read lead me to it's either the quim bullets, AF or maybe just maybe ... So what I'm really trying to say is you never know...faint isn't nothing after all...

eurozammo Thu 04-Jul-13 07:12:55

Motor, that's fantastic!

I caved and tested too this morning (11dpEC). Bfn for me. We'll try again in August.

tametortie Thu 04-Jul-13 07:17:31

motor a faint line does not equal BFN!! Understand being cautious but lets watch and see if that line gets darker wink

tametortie Thu 04-Jul-13 07:19:31

euro sorry sad when is your otd? Will it be a blood test? <hair stroke>

eurozammo Thu 04-Jul-13 07:25:29

Otd is Sunday tame, so blood test would be Monday, but if I get another bfn at home I won't bother going.

Oh Euro I'm so sorry. It's still very early no?

eurozammo Thu 04-Jul-13 07:35:38

11dpEC so early yes but I knew long before I pissed on a stick.

At least the pre-holiday diet can start now!

MotorcycleMama Thu 04-Jul-13 07:37:34

euro I'm not going to write it off just yet, even though it does not look promising so far. You are at the same stage as me (well, one day ahead) so I would think it is too early for you to call it a day. In the face of nothing very positive yet, can we be optimistic for each other? x

Fabuluce Thu 04-Jul-13 07:42:00

Oh euro hmm big cuddles. you should still leave it to at least after the 14dp transfer date before you write it off though shouldn't you? Some people don't even show on a poas until a couple of weeks after they should be. Completely understand how you must be feeling but please don't say goodbye to your hopes just yet lovely xx

eurozammo Thu 04-Jul-13 07:49:44

Er, motor, you have a line lady!

MotorcycleMama Thu 04-Jul-13 07:53:24

euro it is barely there, and you have to look very carefully to see it. I will test again tomorrow, but unless there is a more perceptible line, I will take it that today's was wishful thinking.

mejust Thu 04-Jul-13 08:09:56

Hi motor got a negative this morning still early although I'm getting worried,good luck x

ExpatWifey Thu 04-Jul-13 08:33:07

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mejust Thu 04-Jul-13 08:39:32

Maybe and nobeer good luck today hope its all good news x

mejust Thu 04-Jul-13 08:41:43

Euro iv took to google and by the looks of things its still early days for us but I'm not sleeping well at all I hope we get lines in a day or two good luck x

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Thu 04-Jul-13 08:45:11

Hello IVF'ers

I popped my head in last week before heading to glastonbury to say hi. I started long protocol for ICSI on the 1st July. I'm on day 3 of down regging, it's going ok so far. Here's a bit of background I'm 31, have been ttc number 1 for 3 and a half years. We are officially unexplained but last sperm sample was rubbish. We are having 3 rounds of ICSI on the nhs.

Motor, Mejust and Euro will be keeping my fingers crossed for you all. It's not over yet.

Nobeer and Maybe good luck for your phone calls this morning.

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Thu 04-Jul-13 08:46:15

Forgot to ask, has anyone else just started their cycle?

<squeezes Cups>

MotorcycleMama Thu 04-Jul-13 09:01:09

Hi cupcakes, I'm glad downregging has been okay for you so far. I found the second week was rather tough with bad headaches, nightsweats and anxiety. I hope you don't. Have loads of fluids and paracetamol to hand just in case. Soon cleared with the introduction of oestrogen. Best of luck with your journey! Look forward to getting to know you better.

tametortie Thu 04-Jul-13 09:13:01

mejust fingers crossed its just early days. X

cups Sunday night- mumford and sons or the xx????

mejust Thu 04-Jul-13 09:18:50

Motor I hope that line gets darker.

Hello to everyone

Fabuluce Thu 04-Jul-13 09:21:21

Hey cups - I'm doing LP starting down regging on Monday smile we can hold hands!

News just in. We have 9 good looking embies! On for a 5 day transfer at the moment, will get a call tomorrow for an update. Am so relieved.

nobeer Thu 04-Jul-13 09:35:54

smile maybe that's great news! we're still waiting...

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Thu 04-Jul-13 09:38:17

Thanks for the warning Motor I've been trying to drink lots of water. I know Maybe found the down regging hard at times. I've had a few hot flushes yesterday. I'm pretty sure it's due to the drugs as I've never had a hot flush in my life!

Tame Mumford and Sons but only as it was on my way to the car. I'm more of a xx fan. We had our teach at 9am on Monday morning and I'm a northerner so we had to drive home that night sad We both looked like a right bunch of hungover party people at the clinic grin

Fab that's great! Are you excited? Jabbing myself was a bit scary but it's fine once you do the first one. It doesn't really hurt just a slight scratch. I'm a bit of a wimp tbh, I'm a nurse and I always find nurses and doctors are the worst at things like that!

Maybe well done again lovely xx

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Thu 04-Jul-13 09:38:38

Fingers crossed Nobeer

ExpatWifey Thu 04-Jul-13 09:38:40

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NoCupcakesOrCocktails Thu 04-Jul-13 09:44:57

Glasto was fab, I've only just recovered! I've never been before, it is without doubt the best festival I've been to. I'm down regging for 2 weeks before my first scan so hopefully if it works well ill be starting stimms on the 15th

eurozammo Thu 04-Jul-13 09:49:11

Cups I'm quite jealous of your glasto trip. I've been to other festivals but never glasto. Good luck for downregging!

motor you wouldn't expect anything other than a very faint line at this stage. You are bloody well preggo!

Nomaybe that's great! I hope you get your call soon nobeer.

Thank you all so much thanks

Nobeer I hope they call soon. The wait is agonising x

JuicySausage Thu 04-Jul-13 09:50:58

Motor, you are not the kind of woman to see a line where there isn't one, you are emminently sensible <compliment> and you are just being cautious, but.....<whispers> you're pregnant!! smile

Maybe I am so sorry it's a BFN, you too, Zammo, although I know you were expecting it sad

Nice to see you again cupcakes. I agree with Robbie: Mumford & Sons are simply a privately-educated Worzels.

Maybe, what an utterly fantastic result - nine embies!

JuicySausage Thu 04-Jul-13 09:55:00

Zammo, do you think you could tolerate some tough stimming to produce a decent crop of eggs from which they could take the best to blasto? I know you can't do the dorwnregging - and don't think I'm being a know-it-all - but if August is your final attempt wouldn't it be worth getting to blasto before transfer? I'm thinking of those stats about eggs over 35. If they could retrieve a decent crop then isn't it more likely they can monitor some to five days? Do you live within distance of a clinic that has an embryoscope?

eurozammo Thu 04-Jul-13 10:08:41

I'm just not interested in getting a large crop of eggs, joos. If this doesn't happen for us, we will just embrace a child-free life.

resipsa Thu 04-Jul-13 10:16:53

10 to 11 DPO (or PT equivalent) is early. Not going to insult anyone, after all, you know your bodies best but I don't think anyone is definitely out quite yet (esp you with the line, motor!). From my 2 +ve tests, I worked out that I'm a slow producer of hCG so you guys might be too.

LizzieGreystock Thu 04-Jul-13 10:41:16

tame yes, argc is very very spendy. cha-ching indeed. It's kind of last chance saloon and their results are pretty good so, eh, we'll see.

JuicySausage Thu 04-Jul-13 12:05:27

I've put 5lbs on through IVF sad

mejust Thu 04-Jul-13 12:11:56

Maybe great news

Do you think its to early then I'm 7dp 3dt well had transfer pm

JuicySausage Thu 04-Jul-13 12:14:32

I think you have a chance tomorrow, Mejust, hang on in there. Hope for the best but prepare yourself for the worst - that's the best advice I had.

Nokkie73 Thu 04-Jul-13 12:57:33

Hello lovely ladies

zammo I am sorry about your result. I am still hoping it's just a bit too early for you to test but I guess if you know, you know. Xx

mejust what day were you supposed to test ? I am really hoping that you have been a naughty bird and tested too early. Xx

motor a faint line IS A FAINT LINE DEAR ! A tentative well bloody done to you. Xx

nomaybe absolutely fantastic result. You must be so pleased. Hopefully you can have two blastsos transferred and some can go to Iceland. Fingers crossed.

nobeer am keeping everything crossed for your result.

A big old buzzwam tweak to the rest of you on here. How are we all ?

Noks xx

MotorcycleMama Thu 04-Jul-13 13:11:50

mejust I think it is seriously too early to come to any conclusions. We were being silly and impatient and tested too early. Give it another 48 hours at least!

mejust Thu 04-Jul-13 13:27:04

Yeah I know but I'm really down today,my clinic said 2 weeks after transfer but that sounds quite long to know what will happen now ill be testing every bloody day.

nobeer Thu 04-Jul-13 13:34:36

they rang! ok, so 20 out of 22 were mature and they've fertilised 15! I'm in shock!

DP wants to know why we couldn't conceive naturally now! durr well maybe something to do with my lack of vaginal juices and the nhs gynae telling me that's why i'd never conceive naturally. honestly, listening is sooo underrated!

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Thu 04-Jul-13 13:40:47

Nobeer that's fantastic!

JuicySausage Thu 04-Jul-13 13:48:45

Nobeer, what an incredible fertilisation success! Wonderful for your age x

That's bloody amazing news Nobeer grin

Thanks Nokkie x. They will only put one back this cycle due to my age, so hoping there are a few for the deep freeze nigella stylee

Lifeasafish Thu 04-Jul-13 15:09:51

nobeer thats wonderful! Blimey what a good crop grin how are you feeling?

motor i shall stay schtum until all is confirmed,but looking good!

nomaybe well done to you too! Well done for the crop and fingers x'd for a blast. How are you feeling after EC? And why did I not combine my message to you with nobeers?

mejust tut, tut too early so don't write it of yet. Though I have been fighting the urge not to test since 2 mins past ET grin. I'm 2 weeks. My OTD is 14 July. Which seems AGES away!

euro i'm sorry to hear BfN. But as respisa says, the testing is early?

juicy tame howdy!!

You've all convinced me not to test (yes, I considered it at 1.5 days past ET blush).

NookNook Thu 04-Jul-13 15:13:50

nobeer awesome haul! Well done you.

Thanks Fish. I'm feeling pretty ropey right now. Went out for a coffee with DH an am now suffering. The stress has triggered my asthma off too. Is it normal to feel quite bloated and sore? I also can't stretch above my head and it hurts like buggery juicy knows about that when I sneeze. I don't actually look bloated though.

nobeer Thu 04-Jul-13 15:52:48

Thanks maybe juicy nook and fish! I can't quite believe it. I think I'm feeling cautiously optimistic smile . They'll phone us again on Saturday to say how many are ready for freezing.

maybe i'm feeling bloated and achey too, and ovaries still aching a bit. I'm also constipated which doesn't help. But at least i'm not itchy anymore, those hormone injections made my belly and boobs really eczemay.

NookNook Thu 04-Jul-13 16:08:22

Can we have an update from everyone? It's suddenly turned into a really busy thread and ive lost track of dpts as well as other things! I'll start...

Nook: 2x 2 day 4 cell embryos transfered 03/07

resipsa Thu 04-Jul-13 16:30:38

nobeer 15? That's bloody marvellous. And exciting. Bet you won't sleep tonight (or the next etc).

resipsa Thu 04-Jul-13 16:46:27

Actually, scrap that - those progesterone pessaries are good for a great night's sleep.

mejust Thu 04-Jul-13 16:47:46

Me transfered 2 3dt currently 7dp 3dt

NookNook Thu 04-Jul-13 16:51:10

Is that why I slept so well last night?? I was totally zonked!

resipsa Thu 04-Jul-13 16:56:59

Me - 2.5 months shy of 43 (shit), failed cycle mid May, no AF since, floundering in no woman's land. Unable to make any decisions (about anything, not just AC!).

resipsa Thu 04-Jul-13 17:00:39

nook when I was on them, I'd invited people round for 3pm. I never usually sleep at night let alone in the afternoon so was surprised to sit down after lunch about 1.30 then be woken by them letting themselves in...

eurozammo Thu 04-Jul-13 17:04:01

euro, 2x2 day (2 cell and 5 cell) transferred 25 June. OTD is 7 July, but I just got a BFN.

JuicySausage Thu 04-Jul-13 17:36:29

nobeer and maybe, I may sound like a broken record but will you insist that they take some to blastocyst?

nobeer Thu 04-Jul-13 17:41:41

juicy no idea what blasto thingy means. also, can someone explain what all the abbreviations mean? should I ask the clinic about blasto whatsit and how many cells etc? as far as i know because I have to wait another cycle before embryo transfer (that's ET, right?) they're going to freeze them on Saturday.

Juicy not broken at all, they are aiming to take all mine to blast. Tomorrow I am update call, but I'm provisionally booked I'm for Monday.

Me: 28, DH CF carrier, 9 embies following EC yesterday using retrieved sperm.

Is the progesterone why I'm so shattered! I keep falling asleep to be awoken by either DH asking how to make dinner, or the dog checking I'm still alive

MotorcycleMama Thu 04-Jul-13 18:11:48

motor 41, had 1 blastocyst from donor egg transferred 29th June. OTD 8th July. Doing misguided home testing in the meantime, and got faint positive today.

MotorcycleMama Thu 04-Jul-13 18:15:18

maybe you are shattered because you are going through so much physically and emotionally, and the hormones too. It is absolutely time to rest whenever you can, let other people do the hard work, and you just look after yourself.

Thanks Motor. It's strange, I'm bored but exhausted. Are you testing again tomorrow?!

MotorcycleMama Thu 04-Jul-13 18:21:37

Yes, I'll test again maybe, and hope for something a little more perceptible without squinting! I'm trying not to get ahead of myself though, because I know too well that it can all come crashing down.

Fantastic fertilisation by the way!! I look forward to hearing how they develop.

I will be keeping everything crossed for the morning! I'm hoping there will be a good few that make it to blast!

Karbea Thu 04-Jul-13 18:48:20

I've got a f@cking cold! How is that even possible?!?!

Hcg can stay in your body up to 11 days after your trigger shot.

For a 3-day transfer, don't POAS until 6 days after transfer.
For a 5-day transfer, don't POAS until 4 days after transfer.

Anything earlier isn't valid.

JuicySausage Thu 04-Jul-13 18:52:13

Nobeer, embryos that develop into blastocysts at day five are much more likely to become a pregnancy than an early embryo they put back without knowing its viability. When embryos are transferred at day two or three the embryologist is largely using guesswork to ascertain which embryos he feels are more likely to become blastocysts and then viable pregnancies. This is why so many IVF cycles fail: the embryologist is effectively (and unwittingly) returning non-viable embryos to the womb. If an embryo makes it to day five it has a much higher chance of being 'the one'.

This is a very simplified explanation of blastos. Ask your embryologist to explain further. There are obvious reasons why some embryologists won't take an embryo to blasto. For example, if only very few eggs were retrieved at EC they cannot reliably risk taking them all the way to day 5 in case none of them make it (although there is a strong argument which states that an embryo that doesn't make it to day five would not have made it in the womb anyway). With a bumper prize of lots of eggs like you and maybe produced there is no reason why some cannot be taken to five-day blasts. I honestly think this is the best chance for everyone doing IVF.

MotorcycleMama Thu 04-Jul-13 18:52:45

Thanks karbea. mejust and I are just past that (esp. mejust with an afternoon transfer). I didn't have a trigger shot.

Sorry you've got a cold. Take it easy.

Karbea Thu 04-Jul-13 18:55:46

motor how come you didn't trigger?

MotorcycleMama Thu 04-Jul-13 19:47:48

Karbea Donor eggs, so no need. From whatever I have read, it seems to be about the final maturation of eggs, and mine have already matured beyond redemption!

NookNook Thu 04-Jul-13 20:30:28

Karbs I've got a fecking cold too! Does anyone know what I am /am not allowed to take for it?

eurozammo Thu 04-Jul-13 20:48:02

karbea I was still getting a very faint positive 11 days after trigger, so your warning is absolutely valid for those triggering.

Paracetemol should be ok nook but not much else. I know decongestants are a no-no.

nobeer this tells you more than you ever want to know about embryo developement:
The graphic at A2 is really informative.

tametortie Thu 04-Jul-13 20:52:40

nook Paracetamol and lemon and honey is the safest sweets.

euro I truly hope your instinct is wrong but you are a wise one- sometimes you do just know. Still hoping you are wrong hmm

motor praying you get a darker line tomorrow.

mejust I think you may be a little early with a 3 day transfer- didn't you and motor have ec on the same day? Give it a couple of days chick, hope you get a surprise.

do you think choco can't find us?? She hasn't been on for a few days has she??

Hello to respisa karbea expat

Congrats to nobeer and nomaybe on fab fertilisation!! Amazing result!! Love it smile

We are debating supplements here hmm the Mel b list is going to set us back a small fortune.

We emailed her about the proxeed and she insists its worth the money. confused The pynogenol she has listed is £120 for a months supply!! We are skipping that one....

I need a pimp!!

nobeer Thu 04-Jul-13 21:14:55

Thank you Juicy. I'll ask them if they do for frozen embryos too. Just looked up blastocyst in Spanish and can't find it.

nobeer Thu 04-Jul-13 21:16:04

Aha, found it!

Karbea Thu 04-Jul-13 21:26:13

tame she's suggested a lot more things for you than she did for me. I might see her again... Heard back from the specialist Dr and arranging an appointment so that's exciting.

tametortie Thu 04-Jul-13 21:29:02

On another note;

What has everyone had for dinner??

I made a home made special fried rice! It was fecking rank! And I have made enough for lunches for about a year! Woop.

And today on my wireless I have been listening to Bette Midler, the verve, Tom O'Dell and Lana del Ray.

<random whitter>

chocolocodowninacapulco Thu 04-Jul-13 21:30:46

I'm here tame! Sorry, have been lurking and checking up on you all, just not checking in blush homemade fish and chips for dinner!

Where to start with you all... tame really glad to hear your bleeding has stopped and glad you've been feelin a bit better since Monday. Jealous of your meet up!

euro sorry to hear about the bfn, fingers crossed it was just too early. Is DE a definite no no for you?

joos fantastic results, well done. So happy for you. Roll on next Friday when you have your scan smile. Hope you are not feeling too bleurgh.

nobeer and nomaybe, fab news about your embryos

mejust I'm guessing you are testing again tomorrow? It probably is too early as the others have said.

wish still thinking of you hunny and hoping you are holding up and that it hasn't been too horrendous being back at work with everything else to contend with.

life sorry to hear you have been feeling rough, but glad you're feeling a little better now.

nook congrats on being PUPO

nokkie how are you getting on?

motor a faint line you say. That's fanfuckingtastic! smile

karbea crap that you have a coldsad

res how are you doing? Crap to hear about AF being AWOL.

lizzie hello!

cups Glasto sounds great and good luck for injections.

expat I've lost the plot with what stage you're at, sorry! No worries about not realising DH and I have frozen spaff too

fab great that you are starting down reg soon

flowers hello!

brooker well done for doing your own jabs. DH does the buserelin(only cos I'm too lazy to arse about with it) and I do the gonal f. Have you started your stims yet?

Wow, I'd forgotten how whacked I feel for the first few days of drugs! I started buserelin on Tuesday, clomid on weds and gonal f today. I have been as grumpy as hell and not very emotionally strong. One of the clomid side effects is mood swings - blimey! It has also given me really dry eyes. Moan over, I am happy really grin. Does anyone know if there are any supplements not to take during stims, or what did you take?

tametortie Thu 04-Jul-13 21:33:59

karbea the whole list is mind boggling confused and mega expensive. I suppose if it works, its worth it. We are picking through and trying to decide what is essential and what isnt.

She has recommended a folic acid called metafolin as well- heard of that?

What specialist are you seeing? At your clinic? X

tametortie Thu 04-Jul-13 21:39:47

choco hello! Was worried about you x

During stims I took inositol 3750mg a day, an a-z multivit, DHEA 25mg 3x a day, fish oil, selenium 200mcg a day and chromium 200mcg a day. Stopped everything at egg collection.

chocolocodowninacapulco Thu 04-Jul-13 21:51:19

I read something about not taking royal jelly or bee propolis during stims as they are oestrogen based, who knows! I'm taking co q10, vit c, l-arginine, high strength colic acid, vit b complex, vit D3, high strength omega 3 and pregnacare. I was taking maca and wheatgrass but not sure if it's still ok to take them during stims. I don't want to ask the clinic as I'm scared they might say stop everything!

chocolocodowninacapulco Thu 04-Jul-13 21:51:57

Don't know what colic acid is, folic!

eurozammo Thu 04-Jul-13 21:58:04

choco we've talked about DS but not DE, because there has never been any suggestion that it's my eggs that are the problem. We ruled out DS because I want to have Mr euro's baby, not someone else's (I'm not judging anyone else's choice in any way, this is a very personal decision and the conclusion we reached is the one that is right for us). We have discussed adoption, but not made any decisions on that. I suspect if we don't manage to have a child we will just decide to embrace a life of cute pets and exotic travel.

Sorry to hear that you are having a hard time with the drugs. It won't be for too long, but it's horrible when you are going through it.

I know it's not much help, but my clinic told me not to take anything other than folio acid! I find it so interesting how much things vary between clinics!

tametortie Thu 04-Jul-13 22:06:21

Oh, I took coq10 and l'arginine as well.

The donor discussions on here are really interesting to me at the mo- we have discussed it A LOT and I think the conclusion we have come to is- we dont care whose kid it is anymore, we just want one healthy kid. grin is that wrong??!!

Karbea Thu 04-Jul-13 22:18:01

I took propolis.

The specialist is for boys stuff, no not at the argc they are really just focused on girly bits ;) the specialst is called Mr. Ramsay.

I'm really not sure about the DE thing at all. I think if our final try doesn't work, then I think we will be childless...

tametortie Thu 04-Jul-13 22:20:35

I have heard of Mr. Ramsay- he is very highly spoken of on FF.

If DHs test on Saturday comes back shocking then we may be booking in ourselves...


tametortie Thu 04-Jul-13 22:23:16

We are taking the stop at nothing view at the mo but its only because we are pissed off at having finally 'got there' then miscarried.

I think we will wait to see what this test shows then make some solid decisions....

BrookerC Thu 04-Jul-13 22:24:05

Evening all.
There's been a lot going on today so only just had time to catch up.
euro I feel incredibly sad about your news. As others have said-it may not be over yet. What makes you think it hasn't worked? Tell me to keep my schneck out if I'm being too nosey.
motor mejust give it another couple of days. That way you'll know for sure either way. Keeping everything crossed for you both.xx
tame why did you stop taking the supps after ET?
juicy 5lbs sad. Remember you are now eating for 3 2. smile
choco don't know what busereliin is-? I'm on gonal f only until sat then start with cetritide ( which should be a huuuge barrel of laughs as I have to mix it before stabbing myself-I may just lay on the floor to begin with & cut out the middle man...)
3 egg omelette for tea shock. I feel sick...need DH back home as he always usually does the cooking.
Hi to everyone else

tametortie Thu 04-Jul-13 22:26:21

brooker clinic advised to just take folic acid after EC.

BrookerC Thu 04-Jul-13 22:34:12

Thanks tame. It's a minefield this is!! Makes life simpler though so may go with it.

Tame we had the same discussion as you. If DH's sperm didn't work, we were going straight to donor. The clinic even tries to get us to do it this cycle, but we thought we would give it a bash not in the biblical sense

MotorcycleMama Thu 04-Jul-13 23:09:33

tame Before I knew about donor egg IVF (it was unknown to me 6 months ago) I was very happy to consider adoption, and would have been perfectly happy if someone had just chucked a baby over the garden wall to me! To me, it is about the relationship and bonds you make as a natural result of caring, nurturing and protecting a child. I have total respect for people who don't want to consider it, it is a very personal matter, but I have never had any misgivings at all

mejust Fri 05-Jul-13 07:29:26

I just got what looks like faint positive on first resonse but will wait till tomorrow.

Fabuluce Fri 05-Jul-13 07:31:50

It's such a personal thing isn't it - DH was quite happy thinking about a DE but was quite surprised when I suggested the idea of DS! For us though, after many long and hard discussions it's our baby or no baby and we'll bugger off, do some travelling and probs completely change our lives by living overseas and doing all the things it's more of a challenge to do with a family. So this is our last chance saloon.

I had all the wrong things for dinner last night as i met up with old school friends I haven't seen in 22 years for high tea! Scones, cakes and tiny sandwiches with no crusts - gorgeous smile total sugar rush in the way home afterwards tho.

Fabuluce Fri 05-Jul-13 07:32:40

Oooooh mejust...keeping fingers crossed

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BrookerC Fri 05-Jul-13 07:50:17

mejust tentative huuuge smile

MotorcycleMama Fri 05-Jul-13 08:02:02

Brilliant mejust! Fingers crossed for us both! My line yesterday was so faint you could hardly see it. Today it is definitely darker, though I am still not feeling optimistic, and fear it could all disappear.. Hopefully tomorrow yours will be darker too. X

euro are you going to test again? How are you feeling?

Good luck with the call beer and maybe.

NookNook Fri 05-Jul-13 08:10:13

I'm sooo excited for you Euro and Motor!

Good luck with the calls today Beer and Maybe.

Another exciting day on the thread!

mejust Fri 05-Jul-13 08:11:30

Motor yeah it very faint and wasn't sure if evap but was in time what test did you use.

Motor and Mejust this is amazing news!! I'm so pleased for you both x

MotorcycleMama Fri 05-Jul-13 08:37:17

I used FRER mejust, I don't trust the digital ones. How about you?

Mejust! What amazing news! You too, Motor! I am so, so happy for you both thanksthanks xx

Karbea Fri 05-Jul-13 08:38:54

Motor we looked into adoption but ruled it out.
The thing I struggle with, with DE/ DS is what you would tell the children. I must admit I've not really thought about it much before I was on this Fred, and have never discussed with DH, although I'm pretty sure it's not something he'd entertain.

I have an update! All 9 embryos survived the night withn7 at 4 cell and 2 at 2 cell. 8 of them are top grade, with 1 slightly below! Booked in for 5 day transfer Monday afternoon!!

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ExpatWifey Fri 05-Jul-13 09:11:44

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Thanks Wifey smile

I'm not sure how long you need to wait. Which protocol are you on? Could they maybe put you on the pill to synchronise your cycle?

Fabuluce Fri 05-Jul-13 09:35:35

Wow, go maybe!!!

I was advised to leave it 3 months between cycles for optimum egg quality and to allow your body and head to get over the stress of it all - I actually did 4 in the end as it barely gave me time for a normal period in between as I do LP which felt right for me and I'm now champing at the bit to get started whereas I didn't feel ready before. Remind me, are you long or short protocol?

Karbea Fri 05-Jul-13 09:38:58

2 or 3 proper periods is what I've heard. I think we will go again late oct, I'd wanted to go again in sept, but our gay friends have just told us they are getting married then, they live in San Fran so it's not something I can pop to whilst I'm cycling.

mejust Fri 05-Jul-13 09:40:58

First response motor,is thar what frer means?

Good luck maybe,nobeer.

Euro how are you?

Hello to everyone else

mejust Fri 05-Jul-13 09:48:32

Expat fish and chips on the beach you lucky devil.

Maybe, what an outstanding result! I'm chuffed to buggery they're taking them to five days smile

Karbea, would you tell an IVF baby s/he was conceived in a lab? I will tell my child everything when they are at an age to understand the reproduction process. I'm sure they'll feel very special knowing we travelled abroad and paid thousands for a lady to help us have him/her smile

COME ON, MURRAY!!! tennis

ExpatWifey Fri 05-Jul-13 10:02:51

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That's good news Wifey. Murrays the ball is in your court--

Thanks Juicy. I'm so chuffed we are going to 5 day. It really does bump the success rate up doesn't it?

We will also be explaining he whole process to our children if we are lucky enough I would also have no problem explaining if we needed a donor. I don't see how it's any different to explaining to adopted children

Maybe, I do not understand the preciousness about genes and biologically-same babies but I do understand it is very personal to some people. Once you've started on the IVF road nothing about your baby's origin is 'normal' anyway. I just want to be a mum, it's as simple as that.

Expat, I am no expert on this dilemma but I can tell you that the two women on FF who got BFNs and flew straight back within weeks for their FET rounds both got BFNs - again sad

I'm with you on that Juicy. I know this whole process is incredibly tough and clinical, but without it, I would never be a mum. And, selfish though it makes me, that's all I want! and I'm a geek anyway so find it fascinating

Maybe, I have said right from the start of this DE IVF that my overwhelming emotion has been one of gratitude. That someone has donated their wonderfully young eggs and given us this chance of a family is nothing short of beautiful...and very humbling. It feels like such a special pregnancy, it really does.

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Fri 05-Jul-13 10:31:42

Great news Motor and Mejust, fingers crossed for more lines tomorrow.

Euro how are you doing?

I've read that you should wait 3 months before trying again because of egg quality.

I also think I would be comfortable using donor eggs/donor sperm. I can't imagine I will ever be able to come to terms with a childless life. I've always wanted to be a mum and I work with children. I think I would have to change my career if it doesn't work out for us as its painful enough at the moment being around so many babies at work. I understand how for other people its not an option they are comfortable with though.

If we are successful I would want to tell my children about the whole IVF process as I think it's really important. I think it's something to be proud of. It really annoys me when people who haven't been through assisted conception talk about it messing with nature. You don't see these people repelling technology or refusing other medical interventions which are clearly not natural.

Right that's me off my soap box for now smile

eurozammo Fri 05-Jul-13 10:34:35

mejust and motor that is great news! I'm very happy for you both.

nook I have nothing to be excited for. It is motor and mejust with some good news!

I'm not planning on testing again until Sunday (OTD). And then I'll stop the progesterone. I'm feeling a little less down today. We have a holiday coming up soon, so we have that to look forward to, and then we will give it one last try.

nomaybe that sounds like a great batch of embies. On Monday, you will be PUPO!

Euro I'm hoping beyond hope that Sunday brings good news. I shall indeed be a novice PUPO smile

I think that's very well said Cups. The 'messing with nature' things has always pissed me off.

Juicy what lovely words. Are you allowed to send a little card to your donor? I was saying to DH that if we need to go through the whole process again, I would love to donate my eggs. I can't think of a nicer thing to give someone apart from a vat of vino and a cheesecake

I wouldn't go as far as that, Maybe...the bitch has already had about a thousand pounds of compensation wink

I'm going to PM Twinks in case she can't find us..

grin Juicy

Karbea Fri 05-Jul-13 11:15:54

Yes juicy I would tell them about ivf.
I've always wanted to be a mum, but I didn't meet DH until I was 37 and I was single for a long time before that, so I'd sort of come to terms with the fact I wouldn't be a mum. Dhs main argument is that had we never met I'd be childless, which is true.
I don't know, it's a tricky one.
Opens up the whole nature/nurture argument and all sorts doesn't it.

FlowersBlown Fri 05-Jul-13 12:44:56

I don't have an issue with our potential children not being genetically related to both of us, but I do worry about how being donor conceived may affect the child. I wonder how I would feel if I had no idea about half my genetic make up. I do sometimes think I am being quite selfish in choosing to create a child in this way (using donor sperm). But then any decision to have a child is fulfilling a selfish need in a way.

We plan to be completely open right from the very beginning so that they always have the fullest knowledge that they are able to comprehend.

eurozammo Fri 05-Jul-13 12:48:28

I never even contemplated children until I hit 30ish. I always wanted to be childfree. And then the 'ormones took over. But I hope that if this doesn't work for us, I can go back to viewing a child-free life in the positive way that I did for so many years.

I think AF might be about to arrive (boobs no longer sore, cramps have started) and if that is the case, I think I will take a break from this thread until the next cycle. I will still be cheering you all on though!

ExpatWifey Fri 05-Jul-13 13:40:37

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I'm with Wifey Euro, I hope AF isn't on her way x

NookNook Fri 05-Jul-13 13:46:29

Don't give up Euro you just never know how this crazy IVF stuff is going to work out. flowers

BrookerC Fri 05-Jul-13 15:36:13

expat I'm on sp & was advised minimum of 2 cycles including the failed ivf evil period. I'm following that as my ivf bfn was early May. So counted that period plus the next one then started #2 end June (at the beginning of third). My cycle has amazingly remained bang on 28 days throughout. I was advised to go again as soon as I felt ready due to my age hmm
nomaybe sounds like you have a crop of lovely embies there. Looking forward to the updates smile
karbea I would love to go to San Fran. Was planning to go this year before all this shenanigans. What a lovely distraction.

I went to San Francisco on my way over to Australia. Fantastic and far better than boring Oz

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MotorcycleMama Fri 05-Jul-13 17:30:28

karbea and flowers on the subject of what to tell the children with DE/DS I can recommend a great book called Mommies, Daddies, Donors, Surrogates by Diane Ehrensaft. It really looks at all the issues from all perspectives and I read it through before I decided to go for DE IVF. I now feel confident about my choice and how I would approach it with any child conceived that way.

Fantastic embies maybe!

Where is beer?

mejust I don't know about you, but I feel no less crazy now than I was before I tested - in fact I think it is worse! I used First Response - how about you? I'm frightened that the line isn't getting darker quickly enough. Anyway, I keep thinking of you and hoping for the darker line to appear.

euro You are so right not to test anymore until OTD - it is counterproductive and I'm quite cross with myself for doing it. I hope you're doing okay

maybe and juicy I plan to write to the donor if I do get pregnant as it is really weird to have this intimate connection with her but absolutely no contact (apart from my husband's sperm meeting her egg confused) I imagine that there is some policy on it but I will try at least.

Thanks Brooker and Motor smile

Yes, where is Beer?

Motor one of the lovely ladies I know was able to send a card to her donor through the clinic. How many DPO are you now? Am keeping everything crossed for a nice line tomorrow smile

MotorcycleMama Fri 05-Jul-13 17:59:31

I'm 11DPO or more accurately 6dp5dt. I feel more mental than I have at any other point in the last 2 years of TTC/IVF. I feel so close but fear it will all come crashing down. I know I'll cope with a negative if it happens, but this uncertainty is killing me! Just have to keep occupied over the weekend.

NookNook Fri 05-Jul-13 18:40:45

Ok I'm only 2dp2dt and I'm already freaking out. Can somebody please slap me?

Motor, you have indeed tested early but a line at any depth means you're pregnant. Don't expect it to be darker tomorrow - hCG only doubles every 48 hrs. Can you hold off until Sunday? I promise you tomorrow's line will just have you squinting and fretting.

If anything I am expecting a card from our donor thanking us that she had the honour of having her eggs touched by th'usband's sperm grin

Where is beer?

Anyone know why I had creamy stuff leaking out of my nips in the bath? shock (and no, I wasn't squeezing them)

NookNook Fri 05-Jul-13 18:42:34

AND I was a couple of hours late with the fanny candle today and have convinced myself this has totally blown my chances. Help. Me. Please.

NookNook Fri 05-Jul-13 18:43:57

Oh hang on my first freak out message didn't work! grin to recap - I'm freaking out and its only 2dp2dt. Need a slap.

NookNook Fri 05-Jul-13 18:44:45

Oh actually it did work. I'm going to go and lie down now blush

<fans Nook to bring back her senses> I'm sure a few hours will make no difference at all smile

Motor it's ll looking good. I agree with Juicy wait till Sunday. Tomorrows going to be such a lovely day, plan something nice to take your mind off it she says

nooknook, please don't fret about that! It will make no difference that you were a couple of a hours late with the pessary. Slap yourself hard around the chops with the first thing that comes to hand out of your freezer. Then do it again. There...better?

BrookerC Fri 05-Jul-13 19:05:29

motor please remember that a line is a line. Anyone who hasn't been through all this could not comprehend the sheer exhaustion of the uncertainty during the 2ww.I could have convinced myself of just about anything (twins/triplets/quads/ nothing) at any point then spectacularly change my mind within 10 minutes during my 2ww. My point is you can't trust the signals as your hormones are messing with your body (& emotions) only the line counts. I agree with juice though try not to test tom if you can. I am a strong believer in being realistically positive. flowers
nook one of the wise ladies on here will know for sure but I'm pretty certain you are fine if you miss the pessaries for a few hours. x

NookNook Fri 05-Jul-13 19:33:09

Thanks I feel better. Only thing I could find in the freezee was crab meat. It smarted a bit but it ws worth it.

Motor hand hold from me. X

I always think folks are posh who have crab meat in their freezer <belch>
<picks nose>
<eats crusty bogey>


FlowersBlown Fri 05-Jul-13 20:27:10

Thanks motor for the book recommendation. I'll look it up because, to be honest, I didn't think through the issues very much before starting. I just knew I wanted a baby and this was the only way to get one. I do know that outcomes for children raised by same sex parents are just as good as any other.

And totally agree with juicy that Australia is dull. What is the attraction? There is nothing there of interest. It takes 5 minutes to look at the opera house and the bridge and you're done.

Australia is wank. It's full of broad-grinned, bouncy Aussies perpetually proud that their country is, oooh..eight years old.

Nokkie73 Fri 05-Jul-13 20:33:08

But is he a ginger carrot top though ? I think he has a tinge of ginge.

That is all.

Nokkie73 Fri 05-Jul-13 20:41:00

Heehee joos. You're like a potty mouthed, fanny scratching , shit Judith Chalmers. Love it.

chocolocodowninacapulco Fri 05-Jul-13 20:46:18

mejust great news on your positive test and well done motor for your darker line grin

brooker glad your injections are going ok, buserelin has the same effect as cetrotide, in that it stops the LH surge and means you won't ovulate. I had cetrotide on my first go, but DH did the mixing- the thought of doing it was a lot worse than the reality

joos are you edging back towards your ranting, sweary self! How are you feeling at the mo'?

nook you will be fine about the pessaries. Promise.

euro sorry you are feeling it hasn't worked. Nothing anyone can say I guess, as only you know how you feel.

maybe fab news on your embies

Hello tame

Hi noks, love the Judith chalmers comparison, FUCK, she was annoying!

<waves to everyone else>

I am on 2nd day of stims today and 3rd day of clomid and really hoping that something will be happening inside and some follicles will be starting to wake up, as that was the whole point of the drug combo. I have 3 scans next week and that will be days 5,7 and 9 of stims so really hoping there is something to be seen! Last time I went on day 8 for the first time and there was only 1 follicle, it was scary.

Re the whole DE issue, I started out very anti IVF, then embraced it wholeheartedly and at some point rejected the idea of DE and found it hard to get my head around it all. Am now on DE list and just want a baby!

Nokkie73 Fri 05-Jul-13 20:54:33

Ooohhh fingers crossed chocciewocciedoodah. At least they are monitoring you closely and can tweak things to make sure they get the best result. X

chocolocodowninacapulco Fri 05-Jul-13 20:59:07

Cheers noks, how are you doing? X

Keeping everything crossed Chocc. The not knowing what's happening inside is something I found really hard to deal with. Complete loss of control.

I have a question for you sage birds. Is it the progesterone or the trigger that is making me hungry-sick. If I don't snack every few hours I feel sick but making myself eat fixes it

NookNook Fri 05-Jul-13 21:05:38

Choco sounds like they are taking really good care of you.

I felt the same about DE. I was pretty against it but after 2nd failed cycle I changed my mind. Still not sure DE vs adoption but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it in a couple of weeks

Maybe I've never heard of *"hungry-sick"! Awesome expression. Can't be of any actual help though....

Yeah, Nokks, he is a ginge: my mate's mate's mate's mate's mate sucked him off and got a gob full of flaxen pubes <lies shamelessly>

<scratches biff>
<sniffs fingers>
<thrusts under th'usband's nose>

ChoccoFingersAfterBeingUpAnArse, you're on your way, cock, and being well looked-after to boot. Yay! And, no, I'm not back to being a sweary-bra; I'm all riled up watchin' t'tennis.

"...We're having a gang-bang, we're having a tennis we're having a gang-bang against the wall..."

"...Goodness gracious great tennistennis of fire!"

"Suck on my salty tennistennis!"

Karbea Fri 05-Jul-13 21:20:41

I've still got this stupid cold. My skin has turned to sh*t.
Do you reckon if I pop off for a bit, the same people will be around in Oct, or will you all be on pregnancy Fred's?

Nokkie73 Fri 05-Jul-13 21:24:24

Oh Ffs, joos, don't get old spaffy pants aroused. Not in your condition. Before you know it, you'll be wheelbarrowed across the room and covered in the stuff.

DP thinks he's a ginge too. Are all you Sunny Delight slurping norverners colour blind or something ?

choccy I am grand, ta. Still can't quite get my head around being diffed though. After wanting it all for so long, I think my head had talked me out of ever thinking it would happen. So my head is having a great deal of trouble accepting that it has. I'm not depressed or down or anything remotely like that (far far FAR from it - I am really jolly right now). Just still trying believe that something I had dreamed about for such a long time has finally happened. X

chocolocodowninacapulco Fri 05-Jul-13 21:27:40

maybe, I think from memory it was the progesterone that made me feel bleurgh, but then as DH helpfully pointed out when I was trying to symptom spot, I often say that I feel sick!

karbea it will probably be part 100 of the thread by then, but hope it will always be here <unnecessarily over emotional>

joos what are you on tonight?!

Nokkie73 Fri 05-Jul-13 21:28:16

Will someone take the tennis tennis balls away from joos.

I think Le Jock is going to win it now.....

chocolocodowninacapulco Fri 05-Jul-13 21:29:10

Ah, that's lovely noks grin how many weeks are you now?

chocolocodowninacapulco Fri 05-Jul-13 21:30:46

Have some of these instead joos biscuit biscuit

Nokkie73 Fri 05-Jul-13 21:36:48

Thanks, choc. 15 weeks tomorrow. Mental crazy, I tells ya. You sound chipper about this round - feeling ok at the mo ?

Yeah joos have some tiddies instead......oh....these [biscuits] are biscuits are they could have fooled me. They look like orange boobies

chocolocodowninacapulco Fri 05-Jul-13 21:48:39

Wow, 15 weeks! It seems like only yesterday that you announced you were diffed. Yeah, feeling mostly positive and just so glad to be doing it again. Feeling ok apart from having the driest eyes in the world ever and being constantly parched. Bring on dildo cam again next week wink

Choco, the question isn't what I'm on's who I'm on... grin

I've just laughed so much a bit of Crinone popped out grin

..actually, th'usband's in the bad books tonight 'cos I found one of his toenails lurking in the rug and sicked-up in my mouth sad

What the devil is Crinone?

Fifteen weeks, nokks! Do you feel free from danger and all that? I can't wait to feel as though I'm swimming in calm waters <dodges shark>

Karbea, I won't be around in October as I'll be in jail for claiming Child Benefit five moths early. For quads.

Oooh, nasty Juicy. Crinone is fanny gunk. Of the progesterone variety

Nokkie73 Fri 05-Jul-13 21:58:10

It's a stiff fabric with a weft of horse hair and a warp of cotton or linen thread. fucking LOVE wikipedia maybe is having a Victorian night.

Nokkie73 Fri 05-Jul-13 21:59:54

Is Fanny Gunk your Victorian stage name, *maybe ?

Everyone, come and have a look at Fanny Gunk's quim. Hee Hee, great name for a novel that. Fanny Gunk's Quim.

*that would be 'months'. I don't fancy moth kids <shudders>

tametortie Fri 05-Jul-13 22:01:03

Bonjour Mon petit chochon d'inde.

Glad to see some good news today grin congrats to motor and mejust fabulous news!! Looking forward to those lines getting darker and more pregnanter..... Xxxx

hello to everyone else!! I do love you all but have had a mental day so will do more personals over the weekend- I am watching you and do care xxxxx

London tomorrow!! Should get the results in 2-3 weeks smile

Andy Murray is a miserable wanker. And he has the biggest Adams apple ever. I want to rip it out and play tennis with it.

tametortie Fri 05-Jul-13 22:02:24

Quim is a horrible word!! Can't we say cunt instead??

Nokkie73 Fri 05-Jul-13 22:05:40

Do I feel out of danger joos ? A bit not fucking really

In all honesty, it does get easier. I absolutely won't whine, not on here as it wouldn't be right. I am just cheering you all on from the sidelines and hoping for a sprinkling of bfp's for you all not that fucking baby dust shite. That can just fuck the fuck off

Jan Moir of the Daily Mail (yes, I read the Mail and I'm bastard proud to do so) says about Murray: "..I could do with less of the hideous gurning with his big matchbox mouth." Matchbox mouth! grin

Nokkie73 Fri 05-Jul-13 22:07:07

I can do cunt. In fact, I used that word earlier when the camera panned to that cunt Cliff Richard in the audience at Wimbledon.

Nokkie73 Fri 05-Jul-13 22:08:34

But Fanny Gunk's Cunt sounds so 21st century.

Tortie, I'm going to stick my Adam's apple neck out and say that I abhor the word 'cunt' and find it highly misogynistic (and I hate it even more since I learned that the mumsnet RadFems are trying to reclaim it as a feminist insult). Hairy, moustached bints.

Right! That's it! Filthy-mouthed whores. I'm going to watch Lincoln with th'usband..

Nokkie73 Fri 05-Jul-13 22:14:14

joos I thought you were going to leave the Millie Tant RadFems to their own hirsute ways ?

Nokkie73 Fri 05-Jul-13 22:15:18

joos Lincoln is supposed to be as fucking dull as going for dinner with Ivan Lendl and Andy Murray

tametortie Fri 05-Jul-13 22:15:47

joos so do you like cunt or not you posh big-worded tart??

BrookerC Fri 05-Jul-13 22:26:10

Oh joos noks I so love your potty fucking mouths. Here's a pair of -titties biscuit biscuit for making me laugh so much. X
For some unknown reason I have sobbed my eyes out tonight while out walking the dog.A teenage boy confronted with me nearly shat himself... Poor thing.
I'm supporting the ginger wanker on Sunday (metaphorically only-don't want him round my fun bags-eeeewww!)

MotorcycleMama Fri 05-Jul-13 22:31:37

juicy I watched Lincoln last week, and thought it was brilliant. Bit drawn out to begin with though. Daniel Day-Lewis is wonderful to watch - enjoy!

Nokkie73 Fri 05-Jul-13 22:32:50

brooker fanks ! I always wanted my own pair of tangoed bristols. That yoof didn't do anything to you, did they ?

BrookerC Fri 05-Jul-13 22:38:32

noks you are most welcome. You can't beat a bit of boobage! The young man was lovely btw.It's me that's the schizo maniac blush

tametortie Fri 05-Jul-13 22:42:25

I haven't seen Lincoln yet. We tried to watch sky fall earlier but the bloody box kept freezing and DH got his wig off. So now we are sat looking at our phones hmm

nook just saw your fanny candle ishoo. Do not fret- they are only for supplementation. They dont have to be taken at set times x

Oh God I'm crying with laughter. There s Victorian quim gunk everywhere don't worry the dg will lick it up

Good luck tomorrow Tame

Brooker you poor thing. I used to cry all the time when I walked the dog but that's close was a little shit

Nokkie73 Fri 05-Jul-13 22:45:23

Mmmmmmmmmmm Daniel Craig. Him a hot piece of ass.

tametortie Fri 05-Jul-13 22:45:52

Do you think twink has lost us?? I hope she is ok xxx

tametortie Fri 05-Jul-13 22:47:17

He is amazing- very rugged. I would. smile

BrookerC Fri 05-Jul-13 22:49:11

Me too smile. And the film is amazing.

tametortie Fri 05-Jul-13 22:51:03

I would spank him. He looks a bit public schoolboy and like he would appreciate a spank.

Then I would punch Andy Murray in the throat.

BrookerC Fri 05-Jul-13 22:55:16

nomaybe please stop laughing-for the dog's sake!
Thing is I'm obviously not fine I blame the drugs bastard things
Heatwave smile

Nokkie73 Fri 05-Jul-13 22:59:21

tame he could do with a bit of discipline alright. dirty old woman laugh

I am finding it a bit of a struggle to go from a bit of spanky spanky with Daniel Craig, to slapping the spam faced jock about his miserable boat race. Please explain.....

tametortie Fri 05-Jul-13 23:02:44

Im just doling out the discipline nok!! its all the same to me...

Id love to give Murray a bunch of fives!!

Nokkie73 Fri 05-Jul-13 23:03:49

The Duchess is in feisty mood. grin

tametortie Fri 05-Jul-13 23:11:59


That bloke winds me up.

Im going to wear beachwear tomorrow. Its going to be a damn scorcher!! smile

[fag break for th'usband] 'tis a little long-winded is this film...'wordy' you might say. I don't care though, coz my inchewellechewal brain can take it, innit.

Tortie, it's been bugging me all through the film: how, pray, dost thou intend to utilise yonder crab?

Daniel Craig is a midget and a hapless performer of cunnilingus. Bonnie Langford told me when we met in Greggs.

The way some of you feel about Andy Murray is the exact way I feel about Claudia Winkleman and her absurd, infantilised fringe. Fucking doll-head. I'd like to pin her down, gouge out her kohl-rimmed eyeballs and shave her head from the hairline to her crown, leaving just a Max Wall-esque curtain round t'back.

I would also like to stab Holly Willoughby through both tits with a kebab skewer and force her to admit, live on air, how many men she's rimmed from the BBC.

Back to Lincoln....

P.s....I spoke to Twinks today and she's taking some time out to tour the Bahamas on a 265ft chartered yacht. She is still reading, however, in between teaching the natives how to yodel.

Nokkie73 Sat 06-Jul-13 00:09:56

I feel the same way about Ferne Cotton. I could happily torture her all day, very day, with nothing more than a screw driver and my own very wild imagination. First thing I would do is remove her vocal chords. then i would shout puerile random shite in her ear for HOURS. then i would pour tuna sheba in her mouth and make her eat it.

I saw Bonnie Langford in Legally Blonde at the Churchill Theatre in Bromley a few months ago don't fucking ask, I was humouring a friend She is such a brilliant luvvie but as thin as a whippet, so I know your Greggs/Daniel Craig story to be a big fat lie joos.

I feel this way about the mushroom head from eastenders. I want to pull her new fake teeth out one by one then attach then to her massive fringe like a crocodile Dundee hat.

BrookerC Sat 06-Jul-13 08:49:54

I'd batter Chris Martin & his not smug enough hate filled wife. God that pair are detestable.
Anyhoo just mixed my first cetrotide this morning & all went well (I'm still alive anyway). Now waiting for my diploma in nursing smile No offence to any nurses btw but as a mere pleb that feels like it's waaay outside of my skill set.
Morning lovely ladies on what looks like a cracking weekend of sunshine & tennis. Hope anyone worrying about OTD mejust motor euro can all find some distractions today & enjoy the weather. flowers

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Sat 06-Jul-13 09:00:58

Brooker I can't bloody stand Chris Martin or his missus either. God they make my blood boil angry sanctimonious bastards!

Well done on the mixing! I love making drugs up at work, I'm a bit OCD. I love the routine and being super clean weirdo

I hope you sods all have fun in the sun not while I'm off to work the late shift in kids A & E. Looking forward to lots of broken bones (probably from trampolines) and head injuries.

Anyone else had crazy dirty dreams while DR? Every night for since starting the burselin I've had rude dreams that don't involve my DH blush

BrookerC Sat 06-Jul-13 09:07:40

nocups thanks & shit you have to work today. sad We will enjoy the sun on your behalf!
tame good luck with DH spaff today. Enjoy your trip to the big smoke smile

Cups I always have rude dreams that don't involve DH wink

Looking forward to hearing piss stick results.

Brooker I also hate the Martins angry

Nokkie73 Sat 06-Jul-13 10:24:55

cupcakes my dreams were properly xrated whilst down regging. Sorry you have to work today. X

nursebrooker well done. Thank fuck I didn't have to mix anything when I was stabbing myself. I surely would have od'd.

Right, I am off to have an audience with The Duchess. grin

I'm also hmm at the notion of dirty dreams about th'usband. Isn't the point about filthy dreams that they are not about the man you regularly screw because you have to?

Oooh, I'm totes jellballs about yours and Torties lez-in meet-up, Nokks. Have a super day and I hope you throw a few funktastic moves the moment you meet up smile

I actually shrieked laughing when I read about the Crocodile Dundee hat. Downright genius grin

I, too, can't stand Chrinneth. He were gorge when he had that boyish curly mop, though.

Looking forward to the Lisicki match...have a great day, everyone X

Motor! step away from them there sticks! wink

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Sat 06-Jul-13 11:08:43

Juicy I don't mind not dreaming about th'usband as long as its someone worth dreaming about. All my sex dreams have so far involved real life people mingers who I wouldn't consider shagging for a million pound! Tonight ill look at a picture of Ryan Gosling before bed to see if that helps grin

Hope you have a lovely meet up Noks and Tame

I'm so pleased to hear the hatred of the Martins is shared by all the thread.

MotorcycleMama Sat 06-Jul-13 11:46:13

Seems there are a few nurses here brooker cupcakes and of course me! Well done on your diploma brooker.

juicy I have been sensible and given my last remaining test stick to DH to hide until I test again tomorrow. I've tested 5 times now! Still I won't take anything for granted until my clinic appt on Monday.

Enjoy your meet up nokkie and tame.

I'm missing mejust and nobeer - hello if you are lurking. I hope all is ok. x

nobeer Sat 06-Jul-13 12:07:44

morning ladies! sorry been out of Internet range so not v active on here. just got a phone call from clinic. 14 embryos frozen. none blastos so fingers crossed. still feeling very bloated and stomach hurts. apart from that, feeling quite positive!

will seee Dr in a week or so to find out when i'll be ready for transfer. have a nice saturday.thanks

That's great news Nobeer. Hope you are ready for transfer soon!

Well done for exercising restraint Motor

Yeah, Motor, well done, lovely. I can't wait for you to realise you're preggo! wink

Beer, did they take your embies to five days? Well done on the magnificent fourteen!

nobeer Sat 06-Jul-13 13:23:53

no they didn't juicy sad so hope it's all going to be ok.

It's been a weird week tbh. My brother and his wife have been visiting, I hadn't seen them for about 2 yrs. She's quite sweet but quite fussy, demanding so been stressing over that tbh. So never even asked about blastos. I'm not too worried, the clinic has a good lab, and I've heard of good results from friends of friends. Not the same, I know. I would never recommend having guests while doing ivf, but we had no idea how the process was going to move along and the pace of it etc.

Anyway, it's all done now so nothing we can do. Maybe they don't freeze blastos?

The point is, beer, you've got a fantastic array of embies there. Your baby's in there somewhere smile

Don't pander feverishly to your SIL. It's your house and they should comply to your system of living.

nobeer Sat 06-Jul-13 15:35:25


nobeer Sat 06-Jul-13 15:36:55

thanks thanks juicy. they're going today so life back to normal very soon!

BrookerC Sat 06-Jul-13 16:30:55

motor glad to hear you have stepped away from POAS. Fx for tom. flowers. I am far too much of a wuss to be a REAL nurse.
nobeer 14-wow! Hope the bloating eases soon. Think someone suggested a hot water drink a few days ago which might help (sorry can't remember who or what-memory like a sieve at the mo unhelpful

MotorcycleMama Sat 06-Jul-13 17:58:45

brooker what do you mean by 'real nurse'? I'm a psychiatric nurse - how about you?

nobeer Sat 06-Jul-13 18:08:06

that rings a bell, brooker! I'll have a look and see if I can find it. I've just done some stretches and had a kiwi and some strawberries, so hopefully that'll get things moving! Our guests have just left so already feel more relaxed. -I'm such an ungracious hostess-

BrookerC Sat 06-Jul-13 18:52:59

motor I'm not a nurse at all. Twas a self congratulatory post due to my first mixing of the drugs. Sorry for confusion blush. Bet you've got some pretty interesting work stories? How are you feeling about testing tom?

MotorcycleMama Sat 06-Jul-13 19:06:01

Ah, sorry brooker - I was just being a bit dense. Nervous about testing tomorrow, but pleased that OTD is coming up. This has been the most stressful 10 days of so of my life! Not bad going I guess, when you think of the things that some people have to contend with.

chocolocodowninacapulco Sat 06-Jul-13 21:59:19

Hoping for a dark line for you tomorrow motor grin. mejust how are you? Have you tested again?

euro thinking of you for OTD tomorrow.

tametortie Sat 06-Jul-13 22:40:38

Hello gorgeous ladies,

We are slacking in our 'one thread a week target'!! Anybody would think the sun had been out...

Seriously excited about news from motor mejust and euro. Remember, what ever the result- we are all here for support. X

Hello to choco, Lizzie, nomaybe, nook, nobeer (great embie result!!), joos, cups, karbea, respisa and anyone else xxxxx

I had a great day today with nokkie. In fact I can honestly say that today is the day I achieved some clarity. I think I may have chewed the poor girls ears off for 3 hours in Starbucks BUT that girl talks some sense. She is bloody lovely and as nuts as she seems on here. AND she has a very cute baby bump. Left that London today a little more at peace with plans ahead.....and DH had a massive wank with DNA results in 2-3 weeks.

Thanks Nokkie xxxxxx

tametortie Sat 06-Jul-13 22:42:35

NOT thanks Nokkie for DH's wank. Thanks nokkie for listening. That last post all read a bit wrong at the end....


Nokkie73 Sat 06-Jul-13 23:20:49

blush oh Duchess, I am honoured. Though just for clarity, data protection and freedom of information purposes, I did not assist in any way with Mr Tame's five finger shuffle with the one eyed milkman.

You were absolutely lovely and it was really great to meet you (everyone - she is, indeed, a Laydee). First of all, I made a total tit of myself by going up to a couple and greeting them like long lost friends, before they looked at me slightly awkwardly (I.e., like a village was missing its chief idiot). I then realised that it wasn't my MN buddy but random foreigners. This was watched by the entire Tame Clan. So, before I had opened my mouth, I had created the (not entirely incorrect) impression that I was a bit of a fuckwit.

Anyway, I was very glad to be of assistance. Any time. Next time you come down to That London, you let me know.

I have just got in from my neighbour's birthday party. I have had so much orange juice that I think I have turned bloody orange.

Nokkie73 Sat 06-Jul-13 23:24:27

motor mejust euro I am keeping my fingers crossed for testing tomorrow. Xx

Nokkie73 Sat 06-Jul-13 23:27:27

beer sorry - am just going back through the thread to catch-up ! Brill result with the embies. What a brilliant start for you. Xx

wishicouldhavealargeMalibu Sun 07-Jul-13 08:48:25

Hi ladies!

I've been reading every day! I can't remember every detail though so please forgive me.

motor what's happening with your second line?
mejust did you test yesterday?
euro have you tested again?

Congrats everyone on their EC's and ET's. sorry if I've missed anything else exciting.

I've been getting on with life and started to feel back to normal again until last night and today I'm back at square one sad. DP has been my life line and has been the one keeping me on track but last night he went to a 21st birthday party and decided not to come home and didnt text to let me know...
I woke up every couple of hours and went downstairs to see if he'd come home and fell asleep downstairs. He didnt.
It turns out he crashed at our friends and was too drunk to tell me. I feel so upset and angry and let down. Half of me thinks I'm being silly but the other half wants to curl up in a ball and not see him again.

Am I over reacting?

tametortie Sun 07-Jul-13 09:03:00

Morning wish xxxx

No, I dont think you are over reacting. I would be cross too. Just knowing that he is safe and ok is a big thing.

How has he been since the result?? How has he coped??

Have you spoken to him this morning?

<hair stroke> a BFN can test a relationship as you both some to terms with it BUT you need to be there for eachother, not buggering off for the night.

How are you wish? Talk to us xxxxx

tametortie Sun 07-Jul-13 09:08:38

nokkie watching you accost that couple on the street was perhaps the funniest thing I have seen.

DD said that you looked really happy to see them smile this random couple!

After I left you, I had to go for a wee at the British institute for architects- a policeman guarding the Chinese embassy took me in. Posher than the Starbucks shit streaked bog. Marble sinks, a lounge area etc. Fabulous daaaahling.


tametortie Sun 07-Jul-13 09:11:34

motor mejust euro any news?? X

tametortie Sun 07-Jul-13 09:15:06

fish how are you feeling?? Hope you haven't cracked yet!! X

wishicouldhavealargeMalibu Sun 07-Jul-13 09:21:54

He's been fine Tame and I was getting there too. It's just because he's still a damn teenager in his head and because he didnt drink for 8 weeks he needed to go and get absolutely off his face.

I just feel empty if I'm honest and I know it's a stupid over reaction to just a failed IVF cycle. I can have a laugh with my friends but it doesn't feel real. I think it's more worry for next time than grieving for the failed.
Ill get there smile

How are you feeling these days tame?

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Sun 07-Jul-13 09:33:13

Wish I would be so annoyed as well, you must have been so worried. Does he understand why you are upset? I know he's been through a tough time too so I guess you can cut him some slack as it's a one off. BUT I would still make his life a bit miserable today cos I'm mean like that smile

Tame and Noks I actually choked on my breakfast as I read the post about Tames husbands wank! I figure this is a very honest, supportive step but I feel that kind of support may be a step too far wink Sounds like you guys had a lovely day.

How are the testers doing this morning? Mejust, Motor and Euro thanks

Motor I'm a paediatric nurse, probably not the best job for a long term ttc-er. Do you like your job? I've got quite an exciting job but I must admit I find myself thinking more and more about what else I could do especially in darker moments when I feel all this will fail

tametortie Sun 07-Jul-13 09:33:31

Im ok. Feel a little bit more normal every day. You will too chick. Xxx

Don't make things too painful for yourself today with DP- I dont honestly think you need the stress. Has he been in touch?? X

nobeer Sun 07-Jul-13 09:35:07

thank you nokkie!

tametortie Sun 07-Jul-13 09:39:27

cups my acupuncturist seems to think that he sees a high proportion of healthcare workers that struggle to conceive. So far on this thread that's 2 nurses and a pharmacy technician. Is there anyone else??


tametortie Sun 07-Jul-13 09:40:51

nobeer any idea when the embryos will go back in?? I think you will have a bumper crop there! Well done x

tametortie Sun 07-Jul-13 09:44:43

wish its not an over reaction. No matter where the disappointment lies, the greiving process is the same.

I have experienced failed fertilisation,a failed cycle and a miscarriage and my feelings have been the same for all 3. Disappointment, sadness, anger, despair etc.

Don't be hard on yourself xxxx

Wish, how old is your husband and what was he doing going to a party without you, pliz? Does he often knock about with 21 year-olds? confused

Glad you had a smashing time together, Nokks & Tortie xx

Where are the bloody testers? S'not like Motor to keep us waiting...

tametortie Sun 07-Jul-13 11:08:19

juicy how are you feeling?? Sick sick sick I hope. smile xxx

Hiya Tortie, yes I'm sick on-and-off and very grateful to boot. A lady on another thread tells me that her beta was as high as mine and she only had a singleton in there so th'usband is not a little deflated. He's so crazily into the idea of twins: 'it's easy! one each!' but I have to keep reminding him that, for the eleven hours he is out of the house each day, it will not be 'one each' but two...all for me. All by myself. hmm

I'm so excited about the scan on Friday but so very aware of that not being any guarantee of a take-home baby. I just keep praying that God will have His hand on my womb and the life growing in there.

What's for tea tonight, Torts? Please tell me what you intend to do with that there crab..

tametortie Sun 07-Jul-13 12:06:06

It wasn't me with the crab you daft tart!!! smile

HCG levels can be very misleading when guessing at numbers of babies. There is a HCG thread on FF with folk comparing numbers- have a look. There seems to be a lot of overlap in the HCG for singletons and twins. What will be will be chick- one healthy baby is the main aim xxxx

We are having a BBQ with kebabs, sausages and salad. I have eaten crap this weekend but im too hot to care....

What a you having joos??? a zorba's?? wink

tametortie Sun 07-Jul-13 12:11:50

I am excited for your scan too grin xxx

nobeer Sun 07-Jul-13 12:15:26

Afternoon lovely tort. I know I've got to wait until my next period at least. I did a quick google, like you do, and some women had to wait up to 3 cycles later. To be honest, I'm still bloated and uncomfortable so I'd rather wait until my ovaries are back to normal. I was a bit disappointed at first, but I'd much rather do whatever is the least riskiest. I'm going to ring clinic tomorrow for an appointment next week. Fortunately DP remembered that was what they told me to do after I was still a bit dozey after GA and euphoric after my massive laying of eggs.

brooker I've just had a glass of warm water and bicarb of soda. Thanks for reminding me about it, I was starting to feel really grumpy and miserable. Hoping it gets things moving or calms things down. I did read it sometimes happens after EC.

nobeer Sun 07-Jul-13 12:16:10

juicy I'm excited about your scan too!!

nobeer Sun 07-Jul-13 12:16:47

maybe is it your transfer tomorrow? Sending lots of positive vibes!

Can Crab Woman pliz step forward....

Tortie, last night I had a Zorba's kebab. The whole time I was waiting for delivery I was being sick in my mouth (it's hetting so frequent I've learned to happily swallow it down now; no need for water!) yet starving hungry. I wolfed the lot down and exactly 1.5 hours later I threw the lot up at such a velocity that two jets spurted out of my nose. Later on I was sneezing tikka-stained morsels of chicken into my hankie. Nice.

The tiredness is actually really dibilitating and I'm regularly poleaxed throughout the day smile


Argh! *debilitating!

BrookerC Sun 07-Jul-13 15:35:59

wish I'd have been fuming worried sick. Don't think you're over-reacting at all. However, we all react differently & maybe DH just needed a blow out after all the stress of what you've both been through. Without wanting to sound too stereotypical, men seem to deal with stress by drinking (that's my experience anyway) unlike us ladies who will talk scream & shout things through. If it was me I would make him listen to how his behaviour made you feel. I'm sure he would never have intended to hurt / upset you. They just don't think sometimes hmm. If that doesn't work-pan him one smile
nobeer glad the vaguest of vague help did the trick & the bloating is improving.
Hope all you ladies testing are ok today? Thinking of you. Xx

wishicouldhavealargeMalibu Sun 07-Jul-13 15:51:50

Brooker I'm sat in my garden with people in the gardens around me having bbq's and party's. you post made me snarf out so loud I'm pretty sure everyone on the street went quiet hmm

juicy loving the sound of the recycled barf snacks! Chewy! Mmm mmmm

DP came home and was really sorry. He made a point of doing everything for me before going and calapsing on the bed. We're taking the dog for a long walk together when its a bit cooler because he wants to spend time with me. Someone feels guilty!

BrookerC Sun 07-Jul-13 16:11:08

Well I'm glad he understands he's in the dog house wish.Make sure you milk the attention for a few days smileI'm sure all will be fine for you 2. We spend a lot of time talking through stuff while out walking the dog.
juice what a waste of a good kebab grin

What an incredible match! tennis

BrookerC Sun 07-Jul-13 17:53:12

AMAZING! tennis

Totes Wimbleballs! tennis

MotorcycleMama Sun 07-Jul-13 18:07:36

Hi wish. Good to hear from you. I would have been upset and livid with my husband if he had done that, but.. Your husband has just had to watch the woman he loves have her dreams dashed while he watches helplessly on, so maybe you should cut him some slack. Men often aren't very good at articulating how they feel, and it could just have been his way of shutting it out for the night and letting his hair down. Maybe I am being overly kind to him, but I do think this process is hard for men too. I'm really sorry for you too - I know how tough all this is. x

As for me, a perfectly confident dark second line on the HPT this morning. I wish that I could therefore believe I was pregnant, but I will only believe it if the blood test tomorrow (and then a second 48 hours later as I will demand it!) is positive and with a healthy hcg. I imagine people can't imagine why I insist on being pessimistic in the face of such good indications of a pregnancy - I think I'm just so frightened of it going wrong.

Motor, you are eminently sensible (as are all psychiatric folks) but you are fecking pregnant!! grinthanksgrin

nobeer Sun 07-Jul-13 19:14:49

Motor that's amazing! But I totally understand the cautious approach. Got everything crossed for you. flowers

NookNook Sun 07-Jul-13 19:32:58

I'm crab lady! It's me! It's me! And I've already eaten it. Tonight is a takeaway... curry...

tametortie Sun 07-Jul-13 19:41:29

motor you sound like me a couple of months ago! You are pregnant- believe it xxx

NookNook Sun 07-Jul-13 19:58:31

Motor missed your post - so exciting! That's it. A DARK LINE = PREGNANT!!!!

chocolocodowninacapulco Sun 07-Jul-13 20:00:25

Well done motor, that's great news grin

wish , glad to hear that Mr Wish is making things up to you. My DH processed things a lot more slowly and it took him longer to show his feelings or open up after the mc.

nobeer you're sounding philosophical, hopefully not too long before you can do your FET.

juicy soz that you are feeling crap, but great that you have the scan to look forward to on Friday.

brooker how are the jabs going jab buddy? When is your 1st stim scan?

Eh up tame

Hello to euro if you're reading

tametortie Sun 07-Jul-13 20:53:13

Ay up choco how are the drugs going? Feeling murderous on the clinic yet??!! X

BrookerC Sun 07-Jul-13 20:53:41

motor sounds like you're pregnant lady! Hope you can rest easier tomorrow after the blood test. flowers
Hey choco how are you feeling? The only symptom I have is tiredness. I'd forgotten how much sleep I need during this phase. My 1st scan is on Tuesday-is that the same as you?

tametortie Sun 07-Jul-13 20:57:37

brooker how many cycles have you had before?

tametortie Sun 07-Jul-13 21:04:33

Just read back and saw that everyone hates Chris Martin.....thank fuck for that!!!

DH loves him and I was starting to think it was just me. When he does that ridiculous dancing with his arms everywhere, I want to rip his arms off and beat him with the soggy ends. Bloody patronising nob jockey.

As you were....

BrookerC Sun 07-Jul-13 21:10:59

Evening tame. This is our 2nd cycle. First was April-everything seemed to go well-had 2 blastocysts put back (out of a crop of 8 retrieved with 7 fertilised) & was well chuffed. Unfortunately no implantation sad. Any tips greatly appreciated! How are you doing?

tametortie Sun 07-Jul-13 21:16:22

Im ok smile

Have you looked at having a scratch done?

Or nk testing?

take fish oil too x

BrookerC Sun 07-Jul-13 21:38:36

Cheers tame .Had a scratch last month. Whoever named it a 'scratch' is a sado masochistic mother fucker. The (short lived thank god) pain was ridiculous! Started taking fish oil a couple of months' ago. Will look into the NK testing-what's it for?
Chris Martin 'live like me & my twatty perfick wife'. FUCK-OFF! You are not alone. smile

MotorcycleMama Sun 07-Jul-13 21:41:41

cupcakes a paediatric nurse! Well done you. I did a paediatric placement in my first year of training and was very sure I wouldn't be up to the job. I managed to faint watching a 2 year old have a lumbar puncture, and that did it for me! I love psychiatric nursing - have done it for 17 years, mainly with older people. Currently doing a research post as I had to have a break from managing a CMHT while TTC - too much!

juicy thanks for your words of encouragement - I am eagerly awaiting news from your scan.

Thanks to everyone for encouragement and support. X

tametortie Sun 07-Jul-13 21:54:57

Nk testing is to check for natural killer cells in the womb- an immune issue that can cause issues with implantation and miscarriages.

However some clinics will prescribe steroids to cover this without the testing- check with your clinic. If they have you on prednisolone whilst cycling, you are sorted. Some clinics are hotter than others on immunes.

has anybody here had thyroid testing? Or know anything about thyroid levels when cycling? Mine is 1.95 and I have seen stuff that says it should be near 1- anybody know? I think I may get it rechecked and ask at nurture next month. X

Torts, your TSH levels need to be 2.0 or below.

Motor, I once worked with fecking nutters but they didn't really have psychiatric problems; I taught in a young offenders' unit. Most difficult job I've ever done. People say 'ooh, that must have been so rewarding' but it just isn't. These kids were so damaged when they came to us (we were the last resort before prison) that we were purely crowd control. Nobody learned anything and no-one's life got better. The majority of the staff (all men, of course, they make awful carers of young males; clash of egos and all that crap) had no compassion or love for their charges, it was all very sad sad

I've been taking fish oil for the last six months, if anyone's interested. I also had the scratch four months before IVF. And a shitload of Topics and caffeine drinks smile Mind you, I had donor eggz, innit.

I'll be thinking of all the scannees, stabbers, druggies, testers and newly-diffed scaredy-cats over the next couple of days. I bloody love you all..


Where's fabuluce?

chocolocodowninacapulco Sun 07-Jul-13 22:12:06

tame I was feeling murderous on Wednesday, think it was the clomid, but been ok since thanks. I don't think I have anything on thyroid levels - sorry. Were you on prednisolone? I start on Weds or Thurs and I'm a bit scared!

brooker I am going for the 1st scan tomorrow, which will be day 5, so worried they will see nothing. Also going on Weds and Fri and poss next Mon too. I am a slow/poor responder so lots of monitoring. I had the scratch done too and am going to be on the steroid tame was talking about, even though I haven't had immune tests. Also having clexane after ec.

Torts, I almost sicked-up when I read 'soggy ends'. Ha!

chocolocodowninacapulco Sun 07-Jul-13 22:13:21

Love you too joos wink tennis

Choc, please don't think I'm moaning about sickness. I am actually praying to God for little reassurances and when the waves wash over me I smile very, very broadly smile

NookNook, yes, but how did you cook the bastard crab? Details, pliz.

ChocolateSalty tennistennis, I've been taking Pred forever for yonks now and I never felt anything at all; no side effects or nowt. What worries you particularly? <tilts head>

chocolocodowninacapulco Sun 07-Jul-13 22:22:59

I didn't feel that at all joos, can't remember what I said!? I had horrendous nausea with both of my bfps right from the start, and you're right, it's debilitating. Marmite crisps and breadsticks were my new best friends smile. I would honestly never feel that you were moaning sad

chocolocodowninacapulco Sun 07-Jul-13 22:26:14

Oh yeah, the pred, I remember you saying you were on it. Dunno really, side effects sound a bit scary. It says on the bumpf I have that you have to have a full blood count, blood sugar checks and blood pressure check every 2 weeks when you are on them. Glad you have had no probs with them.

Sorry, I'm confusing you, my little chocolate friend. You were offering your sympathies for my sickness and I didn't want you to think I was horribly ill or owt.

P.s..I moan a lot about other stuff: eduction; shouty people; England; celebrities; narcissism; shit literature; the upper classes...but sickness is very welcome.

Oh, the irony: *education!

Blimey, chocsaway! I hadn't heard that about pred. Checks every fortnight? Well, I never hmm

Choco, can you talk about your miscarriages? Sorry if that's too painful. I was wondering what the background was to those particular stories and if you think they were a case of not having had pregnancy support (drugs).

NookNook Sun 07-Jul-13 22:42:35

Juicy it was pure white crab meat which I ate with fresh bead. Can't be arsed with digging it out of the shell. I'm so happy about your nausea! Not a sentence I thought I would ever use...

Choco I've been on the pred for a few weeks and haven't had any side effects. I keep forgetting to take it at lunch so take it later in the day and have had no trouble sleeping (apart from with moving stress). They do make it sounc scary but I don't know of anyone who's had bad side effects.

NookNook Sun 07-Jul-13 22:43:42

Oh yeah and no one said nuffink about no blood tests!

NookNook Sun 07-Jul-13 22:45:24

I'm a bit crampy today - do you think it could be implantation pains? or am I delusional?

chocolocodowninacapulco Sun 07-Jul-13 22:50:17

Thanks nook, that's helpful. How are you doing? Crab sounds lush.

joos the 1st miscarriage was at 6 weeks and was a natural pg, so who knows. This last time I was on gestone, but nothing else and digi test results started going down at just over 5 weeks. If only I knew old thing, if only I knew. Let's hope all these drugs can do something this time! I have v low AMH too after having a large ovarian cyst removed 2 years ago. It is sad, yeah. Our name is on DE waiting list now, so at least we have a back up.

BrookerC Sun 07-Jul-13 22:50:20

chocs sounds like your clinic are taking good care of you. Fingers crossed for some lovely follie growth tomorrow stabbing buddy. x

chocolocodowninacapulco Sun 07-Jul-13 22:54:22

nook I am going to ask about blood tests tomorrow as the stuff I had was from the lister and I am at one of their satellite clinics, so not sure if it's the same. Blood pressure is a slight worry as l had a high reading at the clinic before and they made me send them bp readings for a couple of weeks as they didn't want me to start drugs if it was high - it was always fine at home! The 2ww eh, what joy! How many days post EC are you?

chocolocodowninacapulco Sun 07-Jul-13 22:56:27

Thanks brooker, I love my clinic. I will have packed in 3 cycles in just under a year, so have spent a lot of time there!

Oh, Choco, I hope you never have to go through that again sad Being on all these drugs is very reassuring, I have to say. I'm glad you're open to DE smile It's only now when i look back that I can see just how exhausting it was to put my faith in my own body month after month when ttc with my own eggs. I was in absolute total denial about my egg quality thanks to my instadiff last year and ttc thereafter was soul-destroying. Hurrah for donor eggs!

NookNook, how many days past transfer are you? Cramping really is spiffing news.

NookNook Sun 07-Jul-13 23:17:30

I'm 4dp2dt so basically a week tomorrow since egg collection. I can't remember getting cramps the other times. I don't have sore boobs or any other symptoms though. Also DH wants to wait for blood test and not test before. I can't imagine this willl work but I'll try. I have always bled before the blod test though so I'm just aiming to get to that...

I'll be interested in what your clinic says Choco

I'm going to jump on the DE wagon as soon as this cycle is over. Hoorah for younger women and their juicy eggs!!

Shellster52 Mon 08-Jul-13 03:52:32

I am new to this site - and new to posting on the internet in general. Been TTC since Sep 2011. Discovered in Dec 2012 that hubby has 100% abnormal sperm morphology so we moved on to IVF. I responded very poorly and only produced two eggs. They missed collected one and the other started to disintegrate 36 hours after being fertilised. IVF round two I forgot to take the antagonist injection (to stop me ovulating) and I ovulated on my own! Things were looking bleak anyway with again only two mature follicles. Then had a cyst last cycle so am preparing to go ahead next cycle for round three. My FSH has gone from a 4 on CD 3 in January to a whopping 18 on CD 3 this cycle! Could it be all the drugs/cyst or are my ovaries drying up that fast? Thought it might be nice to have some people to chat to along the way and hence, I found this site. Sorry if I am posting in the wrong place as I am new to all of this so please feel free to direct me to the right page.

tametortie Mon 08-Jul-13 07:32:35

Oooh shell you have been through the mill sad welcome! Where are you in your cycle now?

Where are mejust and euro? Hope you are both ok guys xxxxx

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Morning all!

Just a quick one from me this morning. Just wanted to say a massive congratulations to Motor. I understand you being cautious. But I am very optometric for you.

Glad the sickness is coming Juicy. Regurgitated kebab souds tasty wink

Will try and do a proper name check later. ET is at 2.20. I'm bricking it if I'm honest sad

Hello, Shellster, yes you are very welcome here smile It makes me cross when clinics are failing to get enough eggs from the women in their care. Surely it's not rocket science by the second round? Anyway, I hope you get fantastic results with this round.

Your FSH results will indeed be skewed after an IVF cycle. This is because the drugs interfere with the production of luteneising hormone (LH) and estradiol. I wouldn't worry about it, however, don't take my word as gospel as I am simply recalling stuff I have read during my own research.

grin at Maybe's optometry.

Where is Mejust?

Go get 'em, Motor!

Oooh, Maybe, good luck for this arvo!

grin Juicy I have 20/20 vision I'll have you know!! Thanks for the luck. Any wise words?

I've never had my eggs collected, maybe, but anything involving GA is a fecking winner in my book...enjoy!

I'm on for transfer today Juicy grin

Aargh! Sorry, maybe, I'm a dolt! Yes, ET is a cinch; you don't feel a thing , just awe at the whole scientific wonder of it smile

But I'm dead nervous! Like its all my responsibility now. Slap me now I don't have crabs in my freezer

mejust Mon 08-Jul-13 12:05:19

Just popped in to give an update.
Cycle prob not worked have brown discharge or blood clinic said prob period on way.
May do another cycle not sure in 2 months.
I'm taking a break from thread,I'm so gutted.
Iv decided not to know how recipient got on as can't deal with it right now.

Good luck to life and everyone else cycling.

Big congrats to motor.

Oh Mejust, I'm so sorry to hear this. It's totally understandable that you want to take a break. Please be kind to yourself. Thinking of you x

nobeer Mon 08-Jul-13 12:39:19

I'm so sorry Mejust. Take some time to be with RL family and friends and work out what you want to do next. As maybe just said, be kind to yourself. xx

MotorcycleMama Mon 08-Jul-13 12:54:09

Hi all. Well, the clinic have confirmed that I am pregnant, and it is just starting to sink in! I collapsed in tears when the nurse told me. They did a qualitative not a quantitative beta hcg, so I don't know specific numbers as they say they (my clinic) only do that if there is any ambiguity in the result. I was upset at first, but I have realised that testing and scores and things just give me more things to obsess and worry about. I am officially now grateful and happy and optimistic, while still acknowledging that it is very early days, and we are at a high risk time for miscarriage. My early scan is being done at 7 weeks, so 1st August.

My heart goes out to my cycling buddies who have not had good news - I so wish you had flowers.

Mejust, what a shame after all you went through. I do hope you find the strength to have another go when you have healed emotionally thanks

Motor, what a thrill! Well done, old girl thanks

Where is the lovely fish?

Maybe, stay cool x

MotorcycleMama Mon 08-Jul-13 13:07:14

nook I have had AF-type cramps since about 2dp5dt which were probably implantation initially. Im sure they are a positive sign, so fingers crossed!! Testing early drove me bananas and I didn't believe any positive results until the clinic confirmed, so.. I would say try to wait until OTD if you can. Having said that I was going bananas before I tested too. Basically if you are at all normal, you're going to go mental whatever you do, so just go with it and use support here.

BrookerC Mon 08-Jul-13 13:09:15

So, so sorry mejust. Totally understand the need for a break. Hope you & DP have lots of support from others. Take care of each other. x
nomaybe you'll be tickety boo today-promise. My ET was less bother than a smear test ( apart from the rummaging around looking for my uterus confused. I went back to work straight after & all pain had gone within a couple of hours. smile
motor looking forward to your news!!!
Welcome Shellster smile

BrookerC Mon 08-Jul-13 13:13:53

X post motor. Fan-bloody-tastic! x

MotorcycleMama Mon 08-Jul-13 13:17:36

choco how was the scan? Ok I hope.

Welcome shell

maybe hopefully transfer will be a fairly simple process for you. I totally understand your anxiety that it is all now down to you - I was so anxious that everything had gone so well, and that it would all fail once it came to me. Don't worry - you'll be fine and your embie/s are now in the best place! Be positive. X

MotorcycleMama Mon 08-Jul-13 13:18:42

Thanks brooker and juicy!

NookNook Mon 08-Jul-13 15:12:28

Mejust so so sorry for you. I hope you're getting some excellent RL hugs. Please come back when you feel you want to. We will all miss you. flowers

NookNook Mon 08-Jul-13 15:15:44

Motor amazing and fantastic news. AND fantastic that you now believe it!

Thanks for the advice. I don't have any tests in the house so I figure that I'll have to be really determined to break! I also anticipate getting my period before that anyways...

Not so much cramping today, more like tiny twinges. I've now exhausted Google for the answer. Funnily enough I didn't find it!

NookNook Mon 08-Jul-13 15:16:57

Maybe how are you? Was it all okay?

I'm just waiting for a reply from my consultant's wonderful bends-over-backwards-for-me secretary after I emailed her asking for £350 worth of drugs for free hmm grin

Hello you lovely lot! I am now a PUPO! Top grade embie on board, was starting to hatch! Transfer was very smooth!

A five-day hatching blast?! Yippee! <tries commando roll and sicks-up> Hurrah!! thanks So chuffed for you, Maybe x

NookNook Mon 08-Jul-13 16:09:42

Go Maybe! That's awesome news. So glad the transfer was smooth. <wants to do a commando roll but doesn't because Juicy just sicked up on the floor>

MotorcycleMama Mon 08-Jul-13 16:31:26

Fantastic news maybe - couldn't be better. Now, take it easy but try to keep occupied at the same time - a tricky balance!! Congratulations!!

nobeer Mon 08-Jul-13 16:35:36

flowers maybe that's amazing! So happy for you! Now follow Motor's orders!

wishicouldhavealargeMalibu Mon 08-Jul-13 16:56:41

mejust I'm so sorry. I know exactly how you feel, it will get easier i promise.

motor Thats super exciting! I'm so envious happy there is good good news. It gives me hope for the next tries try. Congrats!

Wow maybe, go you. Another pregnancy I bet, I can feel it smile

I went back to work today, I was ready and its helped for sure. I don't think it would have been a good idea to go back before now but today wasn't too bad. I had missed the little shits angels.
Feelings very positive today and looking forward to our FET in September..... BRING IT ON!!!!

eurozammo Mon 08-Jul-13 17:06:06

motor that's great news. I knew it. smile

nomaybe that sounds very promising.

AFM, I've had a few days of complete head f-ckery. Faint positive on Saturday (too faint), negative on Sunday and then the blood test today showed some HCG but not high enough to be a positive, so it looks like I have had a chem preg.

I will be taking a break from the thread, but I'll probably be back when we try again in August. Good luck to all.

wishicouldhavealargeMalibu Mon 08-Jul-13 17:08:02

Sorry euro sad

wishwash Mon 08-Jul-13 17:19:49

Oh, sorry Shellster I forgot to say welcome smile. You have been through a lot! Join us and your feet up x

MotorcycleMama Mon 08-Jul-13 17:44:34

Hi wish - well done on going back to work. A change of focus may be welcome. Roll on September indeed!! X

I'm really sorry for what you've been through, and that you haven't had the success you deserve euro. Thanks for your congrats in the circumstances. I'm sure to still be hanging around when you go for your next try, either because things have gone wrong, or I'm still just being neurotic, so take a break, and I look forward to hearing from you as and when flowers.

Oh Euro I'm so sorry. I hope you are being well looked after x

Thank you so so much Wish, Nobeer, Motor, Nook and Juicy. It was so exciting seeing the photo and watching them put it back in. I have visited a pub garden and am watching DH water the allotment. Going to make some nice dinner when home. Busy bit not strenuously so grin. Your well wishes mean the world, thank you so much x

<sends the pup in to lick up the sick>

resipsa Mon 08-Jul-13 20:03:12

Euro, so sorry to read your news. I wonder if a "nearly" is crueler than a "never was". You'll get there and hope to see you in August (when I hope to join you if DH can be "manipulated" by then).

Motor that is fantastic news. Wow. You and joos are my poster girls. Really. (I'm too old for One D etc).

resipsa Mon 08-Jul-13 20:04:15

Wish love your spirit. Do you sell it? I could use some!

wishwash Mon 08-Jul-13 20:35:47

I've just had enough of feeling miserable res! Up until a year ago I was living life to the max. I have so many good friends that care about me, a great family and as much as DP gets on my tits, I love the bones of him! I've also worked hard with Uni and, as much as I want to move on, I have a secure job that does me well for now.

I have a shit load to be thankful for and feeling sorry for myself isn't going to get me what I want. I've decided I'm going to keep everything that means the world to me very close and carry on fighting for the one thing that will complete my existence smile

Sorry, that was deep but it's the way I feel. Hehe, it feels good

NookNook Mon 08-Jul-13 21:16:39

Go Wish! You are so right.

Welcome Shellster

Wish, I seriously welled-up when I read your last post. You sound so blessed and fulfilled in many areas of your life and you're right to remember to be grateful. It's easy to lose that thankfulness when we struggle with fertility and it feels as though, in actual fact, we have nothing. That kind of skewed thinking is what destroys some couples, I reckon, and it cheers me to hear you're sorted in your head and your heart. Good for you, sweetheart x

Resipsa, I haven't name-checked you recently but when you pop up I realise I've missed you smile

Euro, I'm sorry you've been tormented this weekend. It's just not on at the end of a difficult journey like that.

tametortie Mon 08-Jul-13 21:39:52

Evening all,

a bittersweet thread today sad

Congrats to motor please stay and keep talking to us. Xx

euro sorry about your news. To be so close is just tormenting and frustrating. Come back as soon as you feel able. Will miss your wise head sad

nomaybe congrats!! A hatching blast is amazing news xxx

respisa how are things with you and dh? X

karbea fish where are you both? Are you ok?

wish you sound so much happier!! Fancy joining me for a bit of summer preparation??!! Mine is shit since an afternoon in starfucks with nokkie and a sausage batch in regents park blush the gluten free is not going well....

fab are you still here? And lizzie and cups are you all ok??

choco how are things with you?

mejust sorry for the sad news today. sad dont be a stranger xxx

nook when is otd? No pressure, but we need some more good news smile

nobeer how is your belly today? Any better? Xxx

joos what was for tea tonight? We had a BBQ and some avocado salad. Wot wot.

nokkie hope you are ok smile

I have a scan tomorrow to make sure the mc is over.hmm I fucking hope so after 5 weeks of bleeding/spotting etc. If it isnt I will have to have more misoprostol. Boooo. I think af is on it way though so am certain everything is out. Keep fingers crossed for me though. The end is in sight....

chocolocodowninacapulco Mon 08-Jul-13 21:41:09

Just a quick check in lovely ladies ...

euro so sorry to hear about the headfuckery, take care of yourself

mejust really sorry to hear things haven't worked out for you

wish well done on all the positive thinking, I am full of admiration for you

motor brilliant news, really chuffed for you

AFM, had my day 5 scan today and things are looking positive. About 8 'less thans '.and 1 follicle above 10mm, which is good for me. Think the nurse was shocked!

Hi to wish, joos, nook, nokkie, brooker, tame and everyone else I've forgotten. I'm shattered a nd off to bed!

NookNook Mon 08-Jul-13 21:41:55

Euro what terrible news sad. Please come back soon. X

chocolocodowninacapulco Mon 08-Jul-13 21:44:09

Hope the scan goes well tomo tame, you deserve some 'good' news

Well done nomaybe on being pupo

Hello to reps and beer and welcome shellster

wishwash Mon 08-Jul-13 21:55:36

Thank you for your lovely posts. You guys have helped me get to this place and I'm grateful for that flowers

tamie I'm up for summer preparation yes yes! I will be rubbish though, I have zero self control hehe. Lets hope this is over, I'm hoping tomorrow is the start of a new journey for you.

twinklestar2 Mon 08-Jul-13 22:00:47

Hello everyone

I haven't been around but I have been reading. Congrats to those who are PUPO and those who are pregnant. So so sorry for the ones who it didn't work for.

Just wanted to pop in and say hi to everyone. smile

Torts, I'm hoping for the best tomorrow, cock x
I made this delicious fucker tonight with a side portion of these scrumptious bastards

Choco! Whaddya think o' that, then? Brilliant progress from them there eggs smile

Twinks! You back from your cruise round them there Bahamas then? wink We miss you x

tametortie Mon 08-Jul-13 22:08:01

Hello twink smile xxx

resipsa Mon 08-Jul-13 22:47:36

Mejust so sorry. The gloom is indescribable, I know and you wonder if you can put yourself through it again but also if you can go on without trying again. Hope you see some light soon.

resipsa Mon 08-Jul-13 22:48:42

Hi winkle. Hope you are doing OK.

resipsa Mon 08-Jul-13 22:50:46

Maybe I have high hopes for you! Welcome to your 2WW!

"Look for the bear necessities, those simple bear necessities, forget about your confused and your angry..."

resipsa Mon 08-Jul-13 23:00:02

BTW, wish and joos wise words indeed. I really try to focus on the "have" over the "have nots" (but I don't seem to be very good at it unlike you hmm).

twinklestar2 Mon 08-Jul-13 23:04:49

Bahamas? Ha! I wish! Been quietly getting on with things. Feel calm and despair all at the same time. Think I'm triggering tomorrow night. Desperate for a fag.

resipsa Mon 08-Jul-13 23:06:56

Triggering? Bloody hell! EC on Thurs then. Massive hand hold and understood if you don't want to share for now...

twinklestar2 Mon 08-Jul-13 23:19:27

Thx res. Been going in every other day to have scans and blood tests. Feel like a blimim pin cushion.

nobeer Tue 09-Jul-13 00:00:47

Much better, thanks tame! Whoever recommended the bicarb of soda and warm water THANK YOU!!! I think you just about saved my life not that I'm prone to exaggerate
Good luck with your scan tomorrow, tame.

And good luck to you too choco and twinkle. So much going on, and I felt like it moves so quickly once the process starts.

Welcome shellster

wish I love your attitude too. I could have done with some of that yesterday when I inexplicably threw a strop like my 2 year old niece because I couldn't find any clothes which fit me and I liked and it was too hot. In my defence, I was feeling v bloated and uncomfortable, and it was over 40 degrees where I live. But all the same, I do think DP thought he was living with a childish nutter. We'll be doing FET soon too, maybe Sept too, depending on hormones/ovaries.

Hello to juicy. Hope you're still feeling reassuringly nauseous!
And hello to everyone else, sorry haven't name checked everyone.

Fabuluce Tue 09-Jul-13 04:28:20

Hello to all. Day 1 in the fab downregging household and guess who can't sleep?? Buserilin injection was super smooth thanks to Mr Fab's revised injection style - very very slow. Still itched like a bastard afterwards if course but way better than last time smile now if only I could sleep.... Damn the bollixing dawn chorus...

Very difficult to name check everyone when on the phone as I can't scroll back and make sure what everyone has been up to so just want to say congrats to those who are pupo/preggers - amazing news for you all! and my absolute sympathies with those who aren't. What a horrible time for you but what amazing women you are to be so strong. As tame said, it's a bittersweet thread at the moment.

BrookerC Tue 09-Jul-13 07:54:45

Morning all!
Just a quick one as on my phone & waiting for scan- eek.
So sorry euro . I know words don't help at the mo but thinking of you. flowers
mejust so sorry love- hope you find some peace & are being kind to yourself. flowers
Lots of lovely news too & will catch up/name check laters.
Good luck today tame

Good morning everyone!

How are we all today?
That's great news about triggering Twinks! How are you feeling?

Hurrah for the new jabbing technique Fab. Hope you managed to get some sleep in the end.

Good luck with the scan Brooker

Has it sunk in yet Motor? grin

Thanks Res! How are you?

Lovely tune Juicy

Did anyone else feel like they may have list their embryo whilst relieving themselves grin. I feel quite detached from it all. Quite a strange feeling.

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Tue 09-Jul-13 08:46:41

Morning, god this thread moves quick!

I'm so sorry to hear Mejust and Euros news. I know there is nothing I can say but I'm thinking of you both x

Motor congrats again! I genuinely think my job has had a negative impact on conception. I've managed to change jobs a few times over the past few years. I no longer work nights and I have a new job where I work half in hospital half in community. But my job is still stressful and tiring. Did you say you have a research post? How long is that for?

Maybe you are PUPO! grin

Tame good luck for your scan today

Fab yay you have started and well done MrF on the new injection technique.

Sorry I've forgotten what else has happened while I've been writing this blush

MotorcycleMama Tue 09-Jul-13 08:47:38

maybe I refer you back to juicy's monumental poo in the Czech Republic as a very amusing example of fear of losing embryos down the loo!

I'm afraid I am struggling. This must look monumentally self-indulgent to those who have not had good news like I have, but I am in a state of constant fear that I am no longer pregnant. I imagine that anyone here who has experienced a missed miscarriage can relate to it though. I am thinking of buying some of those clear blue digital tests just so that I can keep an eye on my hcg levels until my first scan in 3 weeks. Am I being silly?

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Tue 09-Jul-13 08:49:16

Good luck with the scan Brooker

That's great news on your scan Choco

Hi Shell Twinks Res and Joos

Motor, I will share this advice from a friend of mine on FF. She was responding to another friend who is pregnant (eight days ahead of me) with decent hCG levels but finds herself totally symptom-less and terrified she has already lost her pregnancy:

'It's going to be all good. You have a nice shiny new egg from a very young person. Young people rarely miscarry. I have been reliably told that it's actually very difficult to lose a baby if the egg is a good strong one. You have a good strong one who will be safely born in less than 8 months now. Think nice positive thoughts.'

I'm clinging on to this, Motor, and so should you. I had a mmc last year but I resolutely refuse to compare this embryo to that 40 year-old one. Don't torture yourself with the (wholly unreliable) digis. Start as you mean to go on and have a little faith and a lot of resolve x

Thinking of you today, Torts x

Twinks, your silent stoicism is very admirable. You're almost there x

Everyone about to lay eggs: if you get a decent crop, please tell your embryologist you want to go to five days. The BFPs on here so far have all been blastos. I know you think I'm obsessed but I want you to get your babies and it is clear that the only way of knowing whether they're putting back viable embryos is to take them all the way to day five.

eurozammo Tue 09-Jul-13 10:27:03

motor I've popped back to give you a virtual hug. Your feelings are completely understandable but this is a different pregnancy and the ending will not be the same.

joos not everyone on this thread will be able to go to blasto for various reasons. Making it sound like they are bound to fail before they even reach ET is unhelpful and was my main reason for walking away from this thread a few days ago. This process is hard enough as it is. Many healthy pregnancies develop from early embryos. The success rates are lower, but transferring an early embryo is not the futile exercise you make it sound like. I really am leaving now as I am currently finding this thread more harmful than helpful.

Good luck to all.

Lifeasafish Tue 09-Jul-13 10:50:53

I've just lost a massive post with lots personals and I am pissed off. It took me ages to write and I do not have the time to write again just now.

Someone above mentioned that the thread is bittersweet, and I'm inclined to agree (in a nice way). Lots of information and experience, lots of good and bad news. I've just seen euro's post and feel compelled to reply.

A consultant once told me that really and truly IVf is an art mixed with luck rather than a science, and I agree. People get pregnant all the time with lower quality embryos and fail to do so with blasts and as this thread has about 10 active people at any one time any results from it will not be reflective of IVF/assisted conception. Success rates.

I do believe that there are enough hurdles to climb and enough pressure placed without this thread adding pressure regarding what we can ask for.

Having said that - I couldn't have got through this first cycle without you all, but had to step away a bit during this 2ww as I've tried to use the out of mind approach!

I'll post properly tmorrow, but flowers to all those struggling with bad news, feeling rough and feeling gloomy or in limbo.

And non-alcholoic wine to those currently PUPO or celebrating a BFP.

Special flowers to motor its understandable, hang on in there!

Now, I shall post before I lose this ne too!

mejust Tue 09-Jul-13 11:21:59

Euro iv been lurking and saw your post.
I to couldn't get to blast because I donating half my eggs which I ended up with less than 5 so couldn't take the risk of losing all my eggs trying to get to blast.
I agree ivf is luck of the draw the clinic told me they just don't know what will stick .
But I'd rather have my embryos put back in early than risk having none.
Take care I'm also taking a break.

I'm sorry some of you think I am dismissing early transfers but I will not apologise for stating what is largely fact. I understand that some ladies will not be able to go to day five with their embryos for reasons like mejust's. I wasn't talking about them. I was talking about ladies with plenty of embryos who have nothing to lose. The reason only 1-in-4 cycles result in a BFP is because non-viable embryos are transferred a lot of the time. This is because - for whatever reason - embryologists are reluctant to take them to day five.

Of course blastos are not guaranteed to result in a pregnancy and we have seen evidence of this, but it's really only a 'numbers game' as some like to profess, if viable embryos are being transferred in the first place. I'm sorry I have forced people to leave. I wanted BFPs so badly for everyone on here and it's kind of galling to know that my advice/encouragement has caused upset.

I will also leave the thread. Massive luck to everyone and I am sorry if my posts have been dispiriting. They were supposed to be quite the opposite sad

Well I don't want anyone to leave sad. You have all made me feel so welcome with your wise words. There will always be a difference of opinions over IVF. This has become more and more obvious to me when comparing how widely the advice given by different clinics differs.

Juicy I know you are only wanting the best for everyone and meant no harm with your words. Please don't go. I need you or my sanity.

Euro and Mejust, I understand you need to take time away to regroup after your cycles. But please come back soon x

BrookerC Tue 09-Jul-13 12:58:45

Going to stick my schneck in for what it's worth. We are all very different & unfortunately the research in IVF is not tailored to our individual needs and specific fertility issues. All you can do is talk your clinic about any concerns and trust that they know what they're doing. Most of what we try with meds/supps etc. is unproven (or using very small sample studies) & probably not on 40 year old women with one ovary, in my case. For me,stress is the major factor to avoid (other than booze & caffeine). Everything else I do is to make me FEEL better - like I have some control over the whole process (which of course I don't).
I really hope everyone can stay as this thread is an amazing support. I do completely understand the need for a break though -for me I got sick of the bloody constant reminders & needed to fill my head with ANYTHING else.
Love to you all. X

BrookerC Tue 09-Jul-13 13:01:54

BTW scan went well. Nice lining - which I'm pleased about after the god awful 'scratch'. Largest follie 15mm with approx. another 6/7 bit further behind. Back in Thurs.

Well said Brooker. Pleased the scan went so well! When are they looking at EC?

tametortie Tue 09-Jul-13 13:20:41

Whats going on here?? sad there will be no-one left soon...... sad

I think the 2 day v 3 day v 5 day transfer argument is extremely personal and depends on too many things for any of us to make any sweeping statements about. It really depends on ovarian reserve, protocol, sharing, natural etc.

My embryologist put it very simply and I trusted her implicitly- if they can see who is going to win the race on day 3 (which with less eggs, is easier) then they will put back on day 3. If there is no clear winner, they will go to day 5. However, with less eggs/embryos day 3 is an obvious choice. I do believe they are better back in than out in the lab- many won't but I dont agree that artificial culture is better than natural culture (unless you have hydrosalpinx).

I think we need to turn the emotional temperature down though, its a personal highly emotive subjest, especially when you have just had a failed cycle, and I think we need to all be mindful of eachothers feelings.

Equally, I dont want anyone to leave.....this is a thread for support- not debate x

Hope everyone is ok regardless xxxx

Scan showed 'debris' so I am still not resolved. Oh well......

Love to all xxxxx

FlowersBlown Tue 09-Jul-13 13:24:40

I don't post much but I'm weighing in here.

Ivf is not quite a numbers game. The odds are stacked well against some players and massively in favour of others. Very often no one knows why some people do not get pregnant. Is it bad luck or something else? The reason why juicy struck a nerve is because she is getting dangerously close to apportioning blame. Maybe you didn't get pregnant because you didn't research properly and push your clinic hard enough.

I took the view right from the beginning that I would follow the advice of the clinic I'm with and trust that they are acting in my best interests. I couldn't see what motive they would have for doing otherwise.

Oh Tame that sucks arse what's the plan from here on?

I hate people being upset. This whole thing is hard enough sad

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tametortie Tue 09-Jul-13 14:10:19

Consultant says a wait and see approach is best. hopefully AF will come and wash it all out!! grin we will see...

I hate arguments too sad

resipsa Tue 09-Jul-13 14:30:58

Tame debris is their best word choice? Hope AF does indeed flush it out. I had the same last year and got flushed in the end! Hope you're feeling OK.

I'm not really up for entering the discussion. I started my 1st (BFN) cycle on 18 April and since then have experienced intensely just about every emotion it is possible to feel, some good, most not. Everyone needs an outlet like this thread as the sad truth is that however good your RL relationships, others just do not understand the intensity and consequent need to talk about it daily (or more!). Also, I had Day 2 transfer of all 3 embies and never felt it was a waste of time (well, no more so than the last 19 months' worth of supposedly well-timed sex).

resipsa Tue 09-Jul-13 14:37:42

No more flouncing allowed. It's not AIBU after all.

Motor, yes, I wish that I were you but totally understand the nerves which mean you need ongoing support so don't stop saying how you feel on our account! It makes me sigh when I think about my pregnancy that resulted in DD. I was so naively unconcerned by every aspect that, at 40, I didn't even get tested for Downs etc. I just assumed it would all be OK. It was but if I am lucky enough ever to be P again, I will not be assuming the same.

resipsa Tue 09-Jul-13 14:39:42

Winkle if you're reading, good luck for trigger later. Don't stress (like the rest of us) that it'll go wrong. You're a needle expert by now.

nobeer Tue 09-Jul-13 14:40:27

This is my first cycle of IVF so to be honest I had no idea what to expect, didn't know what blastos were, had to learn a whole new load of vocabulary both in English and Spanish. Plus I was also worried about my own health issues and any potential side effects of IVF drugs.

However, when the issue of blastos came up last week just after I'd had my EC I did talk to my DP about it and we just figured that the clinic know what they're doing. They're the experts in this, and we have to trust their judgement and experience. The fact that a friend of ours used to work there and said that the laboratory there was excellent helped make our decision

This thread has given me great support and it's been great to follow other people who've been through this before and share their experience, as well as having a moan or a rant when necessary. I won't be leaving the thread as I've grown quite fond of you all, "my new internet friends" as DP calls you. I want to follow everyone's highs and lows, and hope that I can be of some mutual support. I wish everyone here all the luck in the world, this IVF world is a strange place to be.

BrookerC Tue 09-Jul-13 14:41:28

Well-timed sex! Hmmm sounds more exciting that it is eh resipsa?
tame you have dealt with so much & in such an inspiring way (I mean that sincerely). Sorry you've got more shit to cope with. x

resipsa Tue 09-Jul-13 14:42:20

PS Expat I'm like you in that I need this thread. DH and I have had a rough 3 months since IVF started and I told no-one else to avoid any questions if/when it failed so no RL buddies for me to burden.

Keeping my fingers crossed that AF comes very soon Tame. Then it's onwards and upwards smile

Resipsa there are no 'ifs' about it smile

Good luck Winkle!

resipsa Tue 09-Jul-13 14:46:38

You're right, of course, I meant when...wink

resipsa Tue 09-Jul-13 14:49:24

Brooker it's sad for poor DH but the best bit of IVF for me was not having to have sex at all (well-timed or otherwise). A whole 3 weeks off was bliss!!!

Nobeer I whole heatedly agree with you this is my first cycle too, and I am grateful for everyone here.

tametortie Tue 09-Jul-13 15:36:36

respisa yes, the scan report actually says debris hmm nice!!

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nobeer Tue 09-Jul-13 16:24:50

Tame - debris? Surely there's a nice way of expressing that! Fingers crossed AF comes soon and it's not too uncomfortable or unpleasant.

BrookerC Tue 09-Jul-13 17:46:35

nomaybe don't know yet re: EC. Think it will be next week-I'm a slow developer confused. How you feeling today? I like the analogy of the little embies being like raspberry pips in a sandwich-they're going nowhere (no matter how hard you push!!!)
resp know what you mean. Nothing takes the fun out of a bit of how's your father more than 'having' to do it sad
twinks good luck with the trigger! x

Ooh, I like that Brooker grin! I'm ok, I felt amazing this morning, full of energy. Then 3pm hit and now I am shattered! I think that's the progesterone though!

Slow and steady wins the egg and spoon race wink

tametortie Tue 09-Jul-13 18:07:43

Lets lighten it up a bit....

What is everyone having for tea?

We have risotto (or shitotto as joos calls it....) and then a friend is bringing gluten free biccies over.


tametortie Tue 09-Jul-13 18:11:32

Oh and I spoke to nurture about the scan and they will follow me up if no sign of AF. I know it all sounds like a shit load of more shit, but honestly, this is loads better than my last miscarriage.

Everything is going in the right direction smile

MotorcycleMama Tue 09-Jul-13 18:11:37

Good news about your scan brooker - another hurdle successfully cleared! And sounds like you have productive follicles too!

Oh for goodness sake tame - when will it end for you?? Very soon I hope. Products/debris - both shit words. X

Thanks expat and resipsa.

How are you doing maybe?

I bought a clear blue digital which told me exactly what I already knew, which is that I am pregnant, and 2 - 3 weeks post conception. I aim to test again in a week (not before if I can help it!) just to check that the hcg is going in the right direction.

Group hug!!!!!

wishwash Tue 09-Jul-13 18:23:49

Ah poo. Not a good read today then, lots of negative feelings sad

I'm happy that your happy with where you're at tame.

Well done on the scan Brooker. Keep cooking those loverrrlies!

More shite with the bestie for me over the last two days. I've realised she's been telling little porkies about DP which could have, had I not realised that she's a jealous cow, driven a wedge between me and DP! I don't understand why she would do it, especially now but now I think back I can see all the other times she's done it. She's also been a pain in the arse at work so she's not exactly in my good books at the moment!

Still.... She's not ruining my positive mood. If she wants to be poisonous she can bugger off and do it somewhere else smile

Woohoo Motor! Must be a relief seeing it in words!

Tonight Tame we shall mostly be having baked potatoes witha little bit of Tuna mayo. May push the boat out and have a little bit of rocket on the side with a drizzle of balsamic how continental of me What risotto are you delighting in? I love making risotto. So therapeutic. But in this hear, don't think I could be arsed to stir it though it would clear the blackheads out, extra seasoning

I'm ok Motor apart from tiredness and so bloated this evening and don't even get me started on the wind, people of Essex have definitely felt a breeze today

Wish what a nightmare. Well done you for rising above it god, I sound like my mother

Motor should we hold up hands and sing kumbaya??!!

tametortie Tue 09-Jul-13 19:51:51

wish that mate of yours wants getting rid of. You dont need the negativity or worry x

motor I don't like digi tests but they are perfect for comparing rises as the weeks go by. Just dont take them as gospel!!

tametortie Tue 09-Jul-13 20:04:57

twink good luck with the trigger! Be sure to let us know how many eggs. I love a bumper crop cos im not very good at them!

tametortie Tue 09-Jul-13 20:05:53

love this crossy out thingy

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If it makes you feel better Wifey the potatoes were amazing. Really crispy skins. Like spud porn. And you cannot beat king Edwards for roasties can you?!

How was your risotto Tame?

Fabuluce Tue 09-Jul-13 21:10:43

We had tuna mayo plus salad too but I raise your baked spud with the wonder that is the baked sweet spud. Gosh we're wild in Hertfordshire!!

Sorry to hear it's been a bit of a stormy fred today - this shit surely knows how to rile us up. Please just let's remember that we all have our personal decisions and choices to make and they are the right decisions for us only. We should not feel the need to be pressured or indeed to pressure others but to remember that this place is for us to vent, support and be supported as well as rip the piss out of each other for our silliness, bitch and moan about famous divs who just plain annoy us and discuss in depth the never ending wonders of our culinary genius grin

BrookerC Tue 09-Jul-13 21:11:58

Oi-potato heads! I've had lemon sole with new potatoes & garden veg (not mine, Waitrose blush). I've also discovered a 'full bodied merlot' grape juice. It honestly looks like I'm drinking a lovely wine.
tame I luuurve risotto. Mmmmm <drool>

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Tue 09-Jul-13 21:23:31

A lot has happened since I last checked the thread. I hope everyone is ok. I know it's already been said but I'm sure no one meant to upset anyone. This is such a difficult process. All any of us can do is take the advice we are given by the clinic whether that is to put back on day 2 or 3 or take the risk of trying to get to blasto. As we all know it depends on so so many factors. For those needing to take a break I totally understand as I've taken a few mn breaks over the years of ttc. Sometimes it's essential to keep a shred of insanity! Thinking of you all.

On a lighter note we have had roast chicken, spicy cous cous and greek salad for tea. Followed by a banana and strawberry smoothie. I'm stuffed and feeling totally virtuous as I am trying to eat lots of protein and drink milk (which I hate) in preparation for stimming as my diet is normally crap smile

I love risotto too, I could eat it every night grin

I'm booked in for my first proper acupuncture tomorrow (I had a random session at glastonbury) has anyone else had it during IVF? I'm not sure if it will help but I figure I might as well give it a try.

Fabuluce Tue 09-Jul-13 21:24:25

Ooh tell us more about this 'wine' Brooker! And tame - what was the special ingredient in tonight's risotto? I'm thinking of doing a butternut squash, obligatory chicken and sage one tomorrow night...

Fabuluce Tue 09-Jul-13 21:27:38

Nocups acupuncture is great smile I'm extremely lucky in that my sister is an acupuncturist so I've got regular access but when I'm stimming I will also try and have a couple of electro acupuncture sessions from my clinic plus a session before and after transfer. Can you tell I'm a big fan??

BrookerC Tue 09-Jul-13 21:46:55

wish that's the spirit! This process has been amazing for me in clarifying what/who is important in life. Only worry about the things you can control & (try) to forget the rest. Big hugs x.
motor you're going to drive yourself mad woman!. You need to let yourself enjoy it-even for a few minutes a day love. I think piss sticks are the devils work - they prey on paranoia & insecurity but I keep 5 thousand in a drawer & use them religiously.Please keep sharing how you feel. flowers

chocolocodowninacapulco Tue 09-Jul-13 21:49:51

Blimey, this 'ere IVF is certainly an emotive subject, but I hope everyone still feels that they can come and chat as this thread is a real life support at times.

twinks did you trigger tonight? Exciting stuff, eek, could be me in a week's time!

tame sorry to hear things are ongoing for you, you deserve a break lovely

brooker great news about your scan, all sounding good- well done.

motor great news about the digi test, look forward to one updates

cups I started acupuncture about 18 months ago and I love it. I had it after transfer and no idea if it had any effect, but I ind it very relaxing nod my acupuncturist is better than any counsellor

Hello to reps, fab, nomaybe, expat, wish, no beer, life and any lurkers

I am shattered tonight! Have been necking back protein and drinking milk like there's no tomorrow. Day 7 scan tomorrow and hoping for some good follie action smile

chocolocodowninacapulco Tue 09-Jul-13 21:50:32

*more updates

chocolocodowninacapulco Tue 09-Jul-13 21:51:15

I really should preview before posting!

BrookerC Tue 09-Jul-13 21:59:36

fab I missed out 'deep and' full bodied!! It looks better than it tastes as it's very sweet. Don't know how you get on but I used to be a glass of wine in the evenings kind of gal (& Sunday pm with a bottle of cava smile). I've slowly over the last 2 years' cut down to next to nothing. I now indulge myself with ridiculously over-priced soft drinks hmm

BrookerC Tue 09-Jul-13 22:03:07

Hi chocs! What protein in particular are you necking? shamelessly stealing tips

chocolocodowninacapulco Tue 09-Jul-13 22:10:28

Hmmm, not sure about your 'wine' brooker - may give it a go. Nuts, seeds, avocado and loads of milk and also using a hot water bottle as I'm not hot enough already have you been having any cramps or discomfort? I didn't get any before, but hoping it's a good sign confused

Glad to see we are busier this evening!!

I cannot believe I have been outdone by a baked sweet spud Fabulace grin

Keeping everything crossed for you tomorrow Choco. I was so proteined out after stimming!!

I'm having a mini panic. Please someone slap me. Some of my lady garden gel fell out the tube on to the floor before it made it in. This will in no way affect anything. I realise this. But now I'm worrying that it will. I also have low down cramps too sad

BrookerC Tue 09-Jul-13 22:19:44

Been doin' the nuts & seeds choco but not a big avocado fan. Some lovely person posted a gorgeous sounding milky drink with cinnamon & other bits that I keep meaning to try but can't be arsed to search back through the thread. The only cramps I've had are from eating too many grapes for the last few days shock. I am really bloated today & hoping that's my ovary doing it's thang. You poor love-I bet you're melting with the hot water bottle! Hope the scan goes well tom & you have some lovely big follies smile. Looking forward to your update. x

BrookerC Tue 09-Jul-13 22:23:03

nomaybe , sweetheart, here's a big fat slap in the chops. You already know you WILL be fine. The cramps could be a good thing-remind me, how far past ET are you?

Thanks Brooker <applies ice to cheek>

I had a hatching 5 day blast put in yesterday, so too early for anything it was probably wind

chocolocodowninacapulco Tue 09-Jul-13 22:29:07

Ah thanks brooker , you sound lovely! smile

<Slaps nomaybe gently>. Don't worry about the gel, it'll be fine. I did initially read it as it fell out onto the floor when you were on the tube confused ahem. As for cramps, they can be for various reasons - hang on in there.

Thanks Choco. I'm decidedly more zen now wink

tametortie Tue 09-Jul-13 22:33:36

I had pea and mint risotto- was lush smile

My diet is crap at the mo. Mel B won't be very happy hmm

tametortie Tue 09-Jul-13 22:35:01

nomatbe dont worry about the gel. A lost smidge won't matter bucketfanny


Try and clench a bit harder tomorrow!!

BrookerC Tue 09-Jul-13 22:35:10

OMG I'm such a big nob! So sorry nomaybe. How the hell did I miss that? I had a night off the thread & look what happens! How fantastic-well done!!
Get used to the wind

Not a knob at all Brooker, I'll let you off this once

Tame I'll work on my pelvic floor tomorrow wink

Pea and mint sounds amazing. I'm going to plan a nice dinner for tomorrow. Oh yes.

tametortie Tue 09-Jul-13 22:50:51

It is lush and so easy. I think we should start sharing recipes?? All this healthy smush gets boring after a while....I need ideas!!

Jerk chicken tomorrow. Hot hot.

DH's proxeed came today- operation fab sperm starts here hmm

If this DNA test comes back shocking though I really dont think vitamins will solve our issues....

When are you expecting the results Tame?

I love jerk chicken! Definitely up for recipe sharing states at the bookcase groaning under the weight of cookery books

MotorcycleMama Tue 09-Jul-13 23:01:55

maybe what is this lady garden gel you speak of?? If it is progesterone, and you lost a significant amount, my consultant says that you cannot overdose on progesterone ( though I obviously cannot vouch for that!) so maybe you could replace what you lost. But basically, I can't imagine it matters in the slightest.

It is not necessarily too early for implantation cramps for a blastocyst, as it is almost at that stage when it is transferred. Ooh-er - how exciting!!

tametortie Tue 09-Jul-13 23:04:38

results should be 2-3 weeks. Very nervous. Think I am nervous about a good or bad result. Would be good to know what's wrong but if the test is clear, we may never know what's wrong.

Does that make sense? confused

Thanks Motor it is indeed progesterone. Lovely stuff. Was just a drop in the old floor grin. So I think it will be ok. Thank you so much for your reassuring words x

tametortie Tue 09-Jul-13 23:06:18

Mel b sent some good recipes- will share a couple tomorrow. I hope she hasn't copyrighted them....

tametortie Tue 09-Jul-13 23:08:10

nomaybe remember, its only supplementation. Your body will be making its own supply as well. It won't matter. A missed dose or an extra dose won't make much if any difference either way x

That makes total sense Tame. It shouldn't, but if does!

Thanks Tame. My bosoms are so so sore so I'm sure at working!!

Fabuluce Wed 10-Jul-13 07:36:20

Morning all, nomaybe - ditto to the others and think calm thoughts smile

Yummy milk was me Brooker - use your dream sized cup of milk, grate in some nutmeg, a shake of cinnamon and a splosh of vanilla extract (all according to taste) and you're away! Obviously if you are rich and can arsed then vanilla pods and cinnamon sticks are the preferred options but if you're doing it every night then it just takes too bloody long and you'll get through loads of em!!

Fabuluce Wed 10-Jul-13 07:37:41

Tame, I completely get what you're saying - it's a weird and scary time for you at the moment and you don't really know what the best answer is for you. Hugs hugs hugs.

Fabuluce Wed 10-Jul-13 07:40:38

Good luck for your scan today chocs!! Go follies!

MotorcycleMama Wed 10-Jul-13 07:47:14

tame I imagine that whatever the results, you will manage it and process it very well. I think that not knowing and uncertainty are the most difficult to manage, because all you then have to go on are your hopes and fears.

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In pleased you've tidied your bush Wifey. Hope all goes well with your appointment and all your questions are answered. Thanks for the crinone advice. Our poor insides go through the mill!

Fab what a lovely drink! Do you heat yours up?

Good luck Chocs!

Hope you're ok Tame

How you feeling Motor?

tametortie Wed 10-Jul-13 08:48:45

Morning all!!

choco good luck today!!

expat hope appt goes well x

fab I have Luther on record to watch tonight so will be making that drink to help me sleep after!!

nook any closer to testing? You too fish!

Hope twinks trigger went well....

Hello to all the lurkers xxxx

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nobeer Wed 10-Jul-13 11:43:36

Morning ladies.
Good luck with DildoCam Expat!

I was out last night having tapas, so didn't join in on the what's for tea chat. We had samosas, wild mushroom croquettes, toast with salmorejo (thick cold tomato soup) and ham on top. I'm sure there was something else but can't remember. Had a shandy!

The doctor rang yesterday and said that I'd be able to do transfer after next period! I'm to ring as soon as I come on. However, this is the doctor I don't trust feel comfortable with, as she's the one who prescribed me progesterone containing peanut oil which I'm allergic too. Fortunately this error was rectified by another doctor. When I had EC last week a--nicer--nother doctor said I'd need another scan of ovaries to make sure they're ok before FET but crap doctor said that wouldn't be necessary and I'll be absolutely fine once I have my period. I did ask her if I'd need another scan, but she said no.
In true British style I don't want to make a fuss, but I am thinking about ringing and asking for a second opinion from nice doctor. DDP has said we've spent fucking thousands of euros there of course we'll ask for another doctor. DP working away so will wait to see if I still feel bloated/twingy ovaries, and then decide whether to ring or go in when he's home. I hate doing these kind of things on my own.

Brooker and Choco from my experience, bloating and twinging can only be a good sign that the hormones are working!

Wifey I'm a tad hosed they haven't one a baseline scan. Maybe give thm a call to check?

Nobeer I say I what you feel happy with. If you want to see someone else, you're well within your right to. But I think the OHSS risk will be gone once this cycle finishes. Toad sounds lovely!!

Toad does not sound lovely. Tapas on the other hand....