The BESH plumbing is blocked up. Where's a man with a big tool when you need one?

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FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sun 23-Jun-13 15:57:50

Welcome to the BESH plumbing thread, where we have blocked pipes, dirty u-bends and leaks aplenty.

Newbies are welcome to seek out the BESHtionnaire submit highly inflated quotes for consideration. Instadiffers will be massively overcharged and sent packing.

<sucks air through teeth> Hmmm, this job is gonna cost a bit wink

eurozammo Sun 23-Jun-13 16:02:18

<Hands over 3 grand to pay for someone to fiddle with plumbing>

<Feels completely shafted>

HesterShaw Sun 23-Jun-13 16:14:00

<proffers own plumbing for inspection>

What do you mean there appears to be nothing wrong with it? IT'S NOT FUCKING WORKING!

HesterShaw Sun 23-Jun-13 16:14:30

(genius, BTW, frank xx)

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sun 23-Jun-13 16:15:42

<puts on efficient business-voice>
Can you do me a quote and a guarantee, please?

Feeling less suicidal after a nap. Clearly this will be the month of napping and no alcobol, because of the sore head!

Did I miss much at the end of the last fred?

I saw your doubts hes, about IVF after failed IUIs, I have them too. SB is convinced we'll get an embryo, as we proved we can before. But that is it. And I am not convinced with him this time...

HesterShaw Sun 23-Jun-13 16:20:35

I don't think the doubts are about getting an embryo in a dish. It's just getting it/them to stick afterwards that I am very hmm about. Nothing whatsoever has given me any indication that I am capable of conceiving a child, let along carrying one.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sun 23-Jun-13 16:22:53

Cheers huns xxx <ducks>

Northey Sun 23-Jun-13 16:24:23

<scratches head over sluggish pipes>
<calls dynorod>

Brilliant fred!

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sun 23-Jun-13 16:24:56

Oh, I doubt every step along the way. I doubt my ability to continue with the drucks, I doubt the drucks ability to keep my over-enthusiastic dominant follie in check, I very much doubt surviving EC waves at scarily similar zammo, that thing with the heart rate you did, I had at the lap, I cannot believe things will actually happy, and I cannot imagine sitting there on OTD ever again, smug with a peed-on-fiver in the pocket.

On that happy note, clearly it is time to cook tea, not yet you say? My hormones need FOOD!

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sun 23-Jun-13 16:25:33

And I agree, frank, tis a boootiful fred.

HesterShaw Sun 23-Jun-13 16:28:55

Drizz seeing as you're in a happy and optimistic mood, I think wine is the only answer.

eurozammo Sun 23-Jun-13 16:29:44

I just had a poo <chatty> Fuck me that hurt. What the hell have they done down there?!? They got two eggs last time and I didn't feel a thing.

drizz we are AC twins. If you make it though downregging, you will have my utmost respect because I just couldn't hack it.

frank fred is genius.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sun 23-Jun-13 16:33:07

Eurespect and wine, that might make life even better wink.
The only thing is the question of headaches and wine. Well we'll see. Feeling worse is hardly likely...

evilgiraffe Sun 23-Jun-13 16:34:30

I've got a whole missing pipe, grumble grumble.

I know what you mean, Hes, I have doubts about my ability to be pregnant too. I have zero faith in my body's ability to do anything properly any more. Particularly given the endometriosis, unexplained anaphylactic shock, and occasional sudden onset bowel trouble - I just don't trust that I'm at all capable of carrying a pregnancy or giving birth. Or being an adequate parent.

The bowel thing is quite upsetting too - it happens for no apparent reason with little discernible pattern. If I'd had more clue, I might not have been caught short in a field yesterday afternoon sad I don't want to go to the GP to see if it might be IBS or something, because I already feel over-medicalised. And the last time I went to the GP for something non-fertility related, I was told that anaphylaxis was hayfever, so have the impression I will be treated like a hypochondriac every time I go now. Arrrrgh.

evilgiraffe Sun 23-Jun-13 16:36:29

Aww, I missed an opportunity to use <chatty> sad

And great thread, Frank! Love all this talk of pipes and blockages and suchlike grin

HesterShaw Sun 23-Jun-13 16:50:59

Draf, you have unexplained anaphylaxis too? You are me! This was why they delayed my IUI for the second time, and insisted I went to an immunologist. He couldn't find any answer to it, even though I conveniently had an attack whilst en route to the appointment and turned up gasping, wheezing, itching and with eyes like Rocky. In fact he referred me back to the GP saying it wasn't an allergy because my eyes were "too swollen" hmm. Twat. Strange that it never happens in the summer when I am taking regular piritons for hay fever.

I occasionally get terrible stomach cramps and the unexplained shits as well. In fact I am full of wind at the moment <chatty>. The day after the IUI, I was doubled over in agony on the toilet feeling faint and in a cold sweat. It felt like I was in labour
<has never been in labour>
No idea what that was all about. It went away after a small poo!

eurozammo Sun 23-Jun-13 16:55:56

Draf I hear you on being over-medicalised. In the past 6 weeks I have had 3 procedures - headbump removal, colposcopy and cervical biopsy and now EC. If I never saw another dr again it would be far too soon.

I used to get the unexplained shits too - it was IBS. It's much better now. It took a while to work out my triggers though because it wasn't just one thing, so it was difficult to see a pattern.

evilgiraffe Sun 23-Jun-13 17:10:12

I never used to, euro, then had the year from hell last year with infertility diagnosis and work blowing up in my face until I gave up and resigned - stress like you wouldn't believe. Since then, my innards are not at all reliable! I should probably keep a food diary to see if I can work out any sort of pattern. Does yours mean you need >1 triggers to have an effect? It must be a nightmare to work out.

Hest, I've had anaphylaxis just the once (last year, shortly before the stress really ramped up), and the consultant initially thought it might be food-dependent exercise-induced. However, I tested negative on all the scratch tests and have had no recurrence even of hives, so they've written it off as a one off. I have been too scared to try running again, though (no bad thing, as I hate it), and have stuck to cycling instead, so haven't really tested the exercise-induced part.

evilgiraffe Sun 23-Jun-13 17:15:57

Weirdly, I wasn't frightened of the anaphylaxis (HOTB was, he was too scared even to call an ambulance, as that would have made it "real", dickhead), but then I suppose oxygen deprivation does rather impair the ability to think. Blue-purple nails are not an attractive look, mind. And it took about three hours to get warm again. If it ever happens again, it will be a call to 999 straight off!

HesterShaw Sun 23-Jun-13 17:21:49

My consultant really pricked up his ears when I said I had had an attack after running in the cold. However that came back negative. Everything came back negative. In the end he put it down to "stress of the fertility treatment". Oh really? Even those attacks I had in my 20s? I hate consultants who don't listen. You should have been given an epipen just in case, draf. I have one, even though I am unlikely to need it because if I catch it early enough, piriton works on its own. Can you ask for one?

eurozammo Sun 23-Jun-13 17:24:26

No, it could be either in my case. The main thing for me was dairy, but I also figured out that very fibrous fruit and veg skins (peppers, grapes, things like that) could set me off. Took me ages to work out why I was dashing for the loo after cutting out the dairy.

BTW, I did see a dr on the NHS who took a bowel biopsy (horrific experience, not to be recommended). He was useless. Once they figured out it wasn't bowel cancer, they gave me this nasty diet sheet (basically all easy to digest carbs) and sent me on my way. I saw a private nutritionist who helped me identify the dairy trigger. I figured out the skins thing myself some time later.

Gosh, that was serious. I think I need someone with a large tool to cheer me up.

RaspberrySnowCone Sun 23-Jun-13 17:25:23

I love this thread already, I've had my plumbing checked, pipes are clear of grot but not functioning quite as they should but aren't really fixable. This will cost me a fucking fortune wont it.

I can't actually ever imagine having a baby now. Cuddling my friends new baby yesterday, I didn't actually feel particularly sad for me, I just feel kind of distance from it? Does that make sense? Babies and a family are just something that happens to other people, in its most morbid sense I suppose its like cancer and car accidents, they don't happen to you, just to other people and if they do happen to you its a complete shock.. I also can't believe that IVF will work first time, if at all. I've not known anyone have a first time win. So all in all, I can't really begin to get excited about the next 12 weeks, even if everyone else in the world thinks I should be swinging from the posh lights hanging from the ceiling. They can fuck off.

Sorry for the traumatic poo Euro. I was on co-codomol after my clear out last year and didn't poo for about 5 days. When it arrived it was EPIC. I felt like I had given birth. It's probably the closest I will ever get anyway.

Northey Sun 23-Jun-13 17:45:21

Oh God, yes to the co-codamol poo! After second ectopic I didn't poo for days, partly because of the drucks and partly because I felt anxious about, umm, straining my stomach stitches. When I finally managed it, my eyes nearly exploded out of my head, and I had to brace my legs against the door. It was like some kind of medieval medical procedure.

Northey Sun 23-Jun-13 17:47:35

I repeat. I had to brace my feet against the door. Just in case you didn't full appreciate the oversharing...

RaspberrySnowCone Sun 23-Jun-13 17:55:28

I'm sorry Norf but the bracing just made me lol, I know that feeling. It's horrific but so very satisfying when it finally comes out!

Northey Sun 23-Jun-13 18:02:47

I'm glad you laughed. I am quite proud of it. Like some kind of chivalric ordeal. AMNH didn't seem to want to hear by the fifth repetition.

evilgiraffe Sun 23-Jun-13 18:04:04

Oh god yes, rasp, it's something that happens to other people. Distanced from it is exactly right.

Hest, the first allergy consultant gave me an epipen, and then the check-up one six months later who said it was a one off said to keep that one until it was out of date and then not worry. It went out of date in January, but I've still got it because I'm scared...

eurozammo Sun 23-Jun-13 18:14:02

norf this was the opposite! I had a very sudden urge and had to run. <chatty> I assume it's a reaction to the drucks. I once had a lump removed from down there though and the first time I went afterwards, I could feel the stitches ripping. <boak> I have never been the same since.

Bloody hell at the bracing!

Northey Sun 23-Jun-13 18:22:20

shock at stitches ripping! Good preparation for when we eventually win our baybees though <firm>

RaspberrySnowCone Sun 23-Jun-13 18:55:16

Oh lord, MATV can't attend dildo'ing tomorrow. I asked my mum if she wanted to come along for company on the drive but she's busy so my dad is going to come. My dad is accompanying me to be dildo'ed. bless him/them they so are supportive but I know he'll ask what I'm going for.....I could say bloods couldn't I? As long as he then doesn't say he'll come in to hold my hand which is likely,

FriendofDorothy Sun 23-Jun-13 18:56:07

Oh Norf the bracing description mader giggle.

Please don't mention stitches. I have never cried so much trying to pee.

JethroTull Sun 23-Jun-13 19:29:42

Brilliant Fred Frank.

grin at Norf's leg / door bracing.

Rasp I am a first time IVF win on only one decent embryo. And I know of at least one other BESH who also had a first time IVF win.

I'm also an un-identified allergy sufferer or was before the needles woman sorted me out. I still get hay fever but random attacks of itchy face & the shits have gone <chatty>.

Zammo how are you feeling now about EC? Did you hear from the clinic again? Good luck, I'll be doing the mantra on your behalf over the next few days.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sun 23-Jun-13 19:37:19

Evening BESH, thanks for the chuckles @ bracing for poo. I've had a bit of a wobble this evening and a lot few tears on HWHNN. I guess I'm bracing myself for the worst at the end of this week. I've looked at my menkulling and the only thoughts that come to mind are "you've had this before and you still weren't pregnant".

It's probably self-preservation, but god I hate the fact that any possible hope and excitement has been thoroughly drained from me sad

Northey Sun 23-Jun-13 19:42:10

Has HWHNN gone again now? It is a shitty time to have to do the separateness thing sad <proffers sturgeon of sympathy>

eurozammo Sun 23-Jun-13 19:43:12

No, the clinic didn't call and frankly I can't be arsed to chase. I feel strangely detached from the whole process. I guess they will tell me what the eggs and sperm were like when they call tomorrow to say if there has been fertilisation.

jeff how are you doing?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sun 23-Jun-13 19:48:24

No he's still here Norf, he's working from home tomorrow so will go back early Tuesday morning. He is, as ever, a rock and knows to say the right sort of thing, tempered with realism. I thought I was doing ok, I haven't really cried about it all since my counselling session back in March.

I feel pretty ok now, but still taken aback by how quickly that crept up on me.

Clinics are a bit crap at weekends. I forgot to call mine for my progesterone results on Friday and having left a message yesterday morning, still haven't heard back even though I know someone is there all day Saturday and they check messages on Sunday mornings. I guess my results are not a priority though.

HesterShaw Sun 23-Jun-13 19:49:44

Frank I'm finding the only way I'm dealing with it is to not think of it at all, and when it does sneak into my head, to say to myself firmly "don't be ridiculous: you don't ever get pregnant." Defeatist and negative maybe but frankelly my dear, I don't give a damn. The bit I'm dreading most is the post progesterone hormone crash sad. Last time I cried for two solid hours at a wedding. It was hell.

Oh yes, and the best bit? You know the couple who got married? She's diffed. She was even diffed at the wedding.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sun 23-Jun-13 19:56:24

<snuggles up with Hest in The Pit>

JethroTull Sun 23-Jun-13 20:01:42

I'm good Euro thanks for asking. 25 weeks tomorrow.

I think in my post IVF 2ww I was hopeful but realistic. I definitely stuck my head in the sand for the first week. Was the easiest way to deal with it.

I'm so conscious that I could sound like a smug differ so I'll resume the lurking position now.

<leaves bucket of fish, gin & cake>

HadALittleFaithBaby Sun 23-Jun-13 20:23:55

<marks spot by shoving plunger down the bog>

Jeepers you lot talk a lot!

I too have IBS that responded well to a gluten free diet. The long term codiene habit I had wreaked havoc with my delicate system but I'm proud to say I've not taken it in 9 weeks!

Frank I'm still rooting for you, waving &#127884; and will have &#127881; if there's a BFP! It can happen.

I think it was rasp who wondered earlier if it was worth it? I know our journey wasn't as long as some and we didn't have to have assisted conception but from my experience winning a baybee has been worth it all in the end.

HesterShaw Sun 23-Jun-13 20:38:32

Pom pom fail by the looks of it

RaspberrySnowCone Sun 23-Jun-13 21:00:46

Yea t'was me wondering whether it was worth it. I'm sure if it works ill not for one second question if it was worth it but in 5 years time if it doesn't work, I think I'll be feeling like I've wasted so many years of life trying to achieve something that was never actually achievable. Perhaps some of us just aren't meant to procreate. That'd be me. One of those people :/

Hi Jeff! Glad you're doing well. It's good to know someone was successful, it does just feel like all I read is the sad stories. My mum keeps saying 'keep positive'. It really does make me want to slap her (in a loving way obviously).

HadALittleFaithBaby Sun 23-Jun-13 21:11:27

Dammit how are people doing it then?! [&#128161;]

Yes it does seem like a huge amount of time/effort/possibly cash to spend if it doesn't happen rasp. I think we all have those thoughts of Maybe I'm not meant to be a parent and those thoughts came back to haunt me in my most despairing, sleep deprived moments if I'm honest. You try to stay positive while TTC but its easier said than done I know! One of the things I find most encouraging is seeing the PESH 'not-list'. So many ESH who had trouble conceiving with their baybees now....

HadALittleFaithBaby Sun 23-Jun-13 21:11:49

Nope. Still emotions fail sad

HadALittleFaithBaby Sun 23-Jun-13 21:13:14

😇 aha!

RaspberrySnowCone Sun 23-Jun-13 21:25:23

A halo!

eurozammo Sun 23-Jun-13 21:31:40

The new emoticons don't work for me (on chrome).

Jeff - you're well over the halfway hump now! smile

Northey Mon 24-Jun-13 05:59:56

Morning BESH. Have been awake for hours reading random threads, and am all sad at people's child-related names. Not the mummytotyler sort, but things referring to nursery rhymes or children's books and stuff. Just a reminder of this completely closed world to me <self-pitying sniff>

euro, how are you feeling this morning?

RaspberrySnowCone Mon 24-Jun-13 07:11:14

I do that sometimes but then it puts me in a mood for the rest of the day. Not looking forward to this week hags. It's going to be a long one!

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Mon 24-Jun-13 08:13:30

Have you got hold of the clinic yet Rasp?

Norf are you naturally an early riser or is it life and all its complexities waking you so early?

Northey Mon 24-Jun-13 09:07:11

I am naturally an early riser. Also my water tank was about to overflow and needed urgent plumbing attention. And then it was daylight, so I couldn't go back to sleep.

So... testing this week then?

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 24-Jun-13 09:20:18

Morning Hags. Great fred Frank, made me chuckle anyway.

<leaves gin>
<and cake>
<and 'apologies for being a shite BESH' card>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Mon 24-Jun-13 10:19:41

OTD Friday, taking each day one at a time. First hurdle is over though: today is 13dpo and droid turned up on the same day of my first OI cycle, so I've got past that one. Technically (based on average across all cycles) droid is due Weds/Thurs.

eurozammo Mon 24-Jun-13 10:57:39

I'm feeling a bit better this morning (although still walking like I've sh1t myself) - the whole hip area is still a bit hurty but not as bad as it was yesterday.

We've had the call from the clinic - all 4 eggs were mature and fertilised but only 2 fertilised normally (googling seems to suggest this is a sperm ishoo). So we have two embies. I've always been very clear about only wanting one put back, so it's ET tomorrow and if the other one carries on we might end up with one to freeze.

norf I often do some early morning MNing on my phone when I can't sleep.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Mon 24-Jun-13 11:32:31

Yay for the egg news Euro grin

What time are you in for ET?

TWinklyLittleStar Mon 24-Jun-13 11:40:10

I love this new fred a lot. It makes me smile every time it pops up in Active.

euro that's great news about the Eurembryos/barrys. Fx for tomorrow.

Thanks for all the poo chat hmm smile I too have poo ishoos <chatty> They started after I had my gallbladder out. Now I tend towards constipation, also from time to time my stomach gets badly distended. I don't know why. I saw my GP, he asked me about flatulence and gave me anti-spasm meds which do no good whatsoever.

frank ODAAT is a good motto. Fingers crossed for euro, toes for you, legs and eyes for the unusually quiet hest.

<is very tangled up>

eurozammo Mon 24-Jun-13 11:42:31

Twinks I think I need a new name for this one. Embarryo didn't end well. I shall think on it.

Frank I'm on for 11.45 tomorrow.

TWinklyLittleStar Mon 24-Jun-13 11:43:31

Sorry. Kind of thought it was a generic name but can see I shoved my size sixes in it.

eurozammo Mon 24-Jun-13 12:12:50

Not at all! I think it has been applied to other embryos since, but it arose as we were joking about them playing barry white in the lab to our eggs and sperm in my first IVF, and I told KFZK and we both used to call it embarryo. My stomach just gives a little lurch each time I see it now. So my new embies need a new name. smile

Frankly, if I could be sedated for the next few weeks and not have to call it anything at all, I would happily take that option.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Mon 24-Jun-13 12:20:42

Completely understandable Euro.

Well the clinic just called with my Progesterone results - 190.8 shock All my previous results have been no higher than about 80 so I'm gobsmacked! I know the levels are not an indicator as to whether or not I'm diffed, but bugger me I must have laid a few eggs to get a level that high!

eurozammo Mon 24-Jun-13 12:27:59

Bloody hell frank!

HesterShaw Mon 24-Jun-13 12:36:40

Cor! <admires Frank's progesterone>

Um....why have you had it tested? And when? And stuff?

<suddenly paranoid about own progesterone>

That reminds me. I forgot my arsebullet.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Mon 24-Jun-13 12:43:16

I had blood taken 8dpo to confirm ovulation had happened. I forgot to call for the results until Saturday and they've just got back to me now. It's standard if you have ovulation ishoos.

Have you, er, "done" the bullet now?

HesterShaw Mon 24-Jun-13 12:48:12

All done <cheerful>.

Well, I'm not going to menkul on your behalf because I know how tiresome that can be. However, I will anyway grin

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Mon 24-Jun-13 13:03:16

I've already been Googling "high progesterone" and there is nothing to link it as a sign of early diffage. So until Friday it's ODAAT.

HesterShaw Mon 24-Jun-13 13:10:16


We are In Total Denial That Anything Out Of The Ordinary Is Happening This Friday.

Actually I have had the odd menkul thought. But there's really no point, so I've squashed them.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Mon 24-Jun-13 14:07:36


<sticks fingers in ears and chants la la la>

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 24-Jun-13 15:20:24

<pops head into the tool shed to find some singing hmm >

Attractive progesterone numbers, frank. Nothing to do with diffage do you want me to google a link for you? and stop the menkulling hes. Plenty of time for that after Friday smile

You didn't sound like a smug differ to me, jeff. And gave me hope, not sure I ever want to do this again, so a first IVF win would be handy.

Hurrah for the embies developing zammo. Sorry about the heart-lurching for embarryo. We called the MC near miss and that still breaks my heart...

Right, if I cope with DR-ing I am totally and utterly deserving of not one but several baybees. I had to skive off from work because I am so knackered. I cannot keep stuff hidden at this rate. I just looked at the list of possible side effects and I don't quite have all of them, but I am getting close. I had not even thought that the cold I got could also be a result from RD-ing.

PS I have normal poo <chatty, or no?>

Northey Mon 24-Jun-13 17:34:09

Congratulations on the normal poo! <ponders propriety>

And congratulations on the progesterone, frank. Are you doing bum bullets? Could that be it?

eurozammo Mon 24-Jun-13 18:05:38

drizz I didn't discover the list of side effects in the box until a good few days in. When I read it, I could tick most of them off. I had pretty much everything bar the headaches - which is the one most people get!

I've come home from work early. I felt really achy and woozy. Not sure what's going on. I could just be coming down with something I suppose.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Mon 24-Jun-13 18:07:52

No bum bullets here Norf, the Progesterone is 100% my own doing <proud>

FizzyFeet Mon 24-Jun-13 18:26:49

Ah ha! Found you! Nice fred, frank

Terribly jolly to read about everyone's poo experiences. I still wince at the memory of a post-surgery one where I nealry fainted with a sort of searing white pain and had to get GFBW to come into the loo with me. Ah, the glamour! I have endometriosis affecting my bowel <overshare> but thankfully it hasn't caused too many problems so far.

I'm feeling a bit more chipper today after hearing a good news ivf story from a friend. Keep 'em coming!

Sorry for the shit side effects, lems. Hopefully this will be the one and only time you have to do this.

Well done on the Not Menkulling, frank and hest.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 24-Jun-13 18:59:41

<overshare=chatty> fizz get on with crowd. So sorry about that. It sounds horrid. Endo is evil. I ban it from this world <mood swings=delusions of grandeur>

SB now has read the list of side effects and high lighted all the ones - to do with OHSS - that I don't have. And then when I cheered up a little he made a point of ticking off mood swings. But zammo we ain't the same after all. I have the sore head! We actually had a good chat about it, agreed to continue for now, but to find out how to go about stopping without scuppering our funded round (and possibly opt for SP next time, if they let us).

Well done sky rocketing All Own Progesterone, frank.

And whichever way you look at it, norf my poo is my own - except when I was diffed, then it was weird and definitely someone else's. Any news on the droidal invasion? It needs to get there by next weekend if you are to cycle with me!

Northey Mon 24-Jun-13 19:12:38

A faint-worthy poo, fizz? shock <peruses strained pipes with a professional air>

No sign of droid. <panics> I am monitoring nightly my bra-removal-tit-drop-sensation, just in case. If I had a fiver I might piss on it, just to keep my urethra in training, but I can't be arsed to buy one.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 24-Jun-13 19:15:12

Ah, that is one manoevre (sp?) I haven't got in my repertoire yet, norf. I shall start tonight am sure SB will appreciate as a zero-score, considering I have no female hormones in my entire body, or so it feels.

Northey Mon 24-Jun-13 19:20:46

I need droid! <wails> It's not fair if everyone is doing I f except me!

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 24-Jun-13 20:16:03

Oh, I might still stop doing IVF never to go near it again. It is a real possibility in the drizzle-household. So shush. Or pretend to POAF. That brings droid on for me, usually.

RaspberrySnowCone Mon 24-Jun-13 20:33:55

Survived my dildo'ing! Apparently my insides are beautiful but my left ovary still looks a bit poly cystic? Whatever that means. Anyhow, the car then wouldn't start so I was too late back home to get to the posh meal. Terrible shame. I'm not sure whether my boss believes that's what actually happened or whether she wished she'd thought of it first grin no seriously it did break down and has cost me £50 to call the cocks at the breakdown cover. Fuckers.

RaspberrySnowCone Mon 24-Jun-13 21:03:19

WHY ARE MEN SUCH HORRIBLE TWATS SOMETIMES angry <<is very angry>> I know he's finding it all very stressful and the car breaking down is my fault and cost us £50 but for fuck sake. I didn't do it on purpose and he's just basically told me I'm a useless dozy bitch who can't be left to sort anything. He'll be out on is frigging ear before we get to have IVF at this rate. Bastard.

Northey Mon 24-Jun-13 21:07:49

TWAT! TWAT! TWAT! <seethes>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Mon 24-Jun-13 21:11:35

Nobber angry

<brandishes spanner in threatening manner>

eurozammo Mon 24-Jun-13 21:12:02

norfy bloomin' hell lass, it's just teasing you now!

drizz I think you should talk to your clinic. In my experience, if you are on it much longer, you will be too far into hormonal hell to have a sensible conversation with anyone. I've basically just done a form of short protocol, and whilst the drugs made me grumpy and a bit hormonal and I didn't enjoy sticking the drugs in me because I'm an hold hippy, they were in a different league to the devil's juice burserelin.

Oh rasp that sounds shit. Can you have a lovely night in, instead, well away from him?

RaspberrySnowCone Mon 24-Jun-13 21:19:23

He's calmed down now because he's been distracted by his mate. I'm just going to ignore him! Prat.

Northey Mon 24-Jun-13 22:05:23

Bra-removal update - not massively heavier than normal. There was about three seconds of unusual nipple sensitivity though. But that then vanished, making the whole thing a very boring non-menkul.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Tue 25-Jun-13 07:06:27

How are things this morning Rasp, did you manage not to smother him in the night?

Hope you are feeling better this morning Euro, and fingers crossed for ET later this morning.

I have tremendous trapped wind this morning <chatty>. Feels like I need a darn good trump blush

In positive news, 14dpo and temps are still up. ODAAT.

Northey Tue 25-Jun-13 08:25:34

Up, you say? Hmmm.

Good luck with the pipework later, euro. We'll be thinking of you.

CaptainMoll Tue 25-Jun-13 09:41:24

Good luck Euro!

eurozammo Tue 25-Jun-13 10:02:55

Thanks ladies. I'm off very shortly. Just trying to work out my water drinking schedule now!

TWinklyLittleStar Tue 25-Jun-13 10:19:40

Good luck.

evilgiraffe Tue 25-Jun-13 10:54:03

Good luck, euro smile

TWinklyLittleStar Tue 25-Jun-13 11:46:34

rasp well done on your beautiful insides. Sorry about his shitness last night. How is everything today?

I feel quite hung over today. Odd, because I haven't had any alcohol in a week.

HadALittleFaithBaby Tue 25-Jun-13 13:33:15

Good luck zammo!

eurozammo Tue 25-Jun-13 15:19:37

rasp have things smoothed over today?

I'm back home. With two crap* embies on board. I'm very disappointed - we had a grade one last time at this stage. These were both grade three. I started off adamant that I only wanted one back but the clinic pushed us strongly towards both so we ended up giving in. Pregnancy is pretty unlikely with either of them. Meh.

*technical embryology term.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Tue 25-Jun-13 15:26:16

I'm sorry Euro. Without wanting to sound patronising, there is still hope.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Tue 25-Jun-13 17:32:43

Wow about 14 days of high temps, any chance of a sneaky fiver to be peed on, frank?

I know euro about talking to them, I could not get through to them this morning or afternoon, the bloody five minutes I had some privacy. So I'll be calling them from home tomorrow.

Quietly crossing everything for a whole BESH-bag of wins to come our way in the next few weeks!

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Tue 25-Jun-13 17:45:28

I'm holding out till Friday Drizz maybe. I'm not sure if I've been cramping today, or if it is just the aforementioned wind shifting about blush

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Tue 25-Jun-13 17:48:31

Well, I won't push. But it is looking very good frank.

Oh, I realised I missed shouting TWATTWATTWAT at rasp-man forgot his name, but he does not deserve one

RaspberrySnowCone Tue 25-Jun-13 19:04:52

All is calm in the Tipple household. He's still a knob though and I've had an epically bad day at work which is destined only to get worse as the week goes on. Wish I could just chuck it all in, it's a nightmare at the moment.

Sorry for crappy day Euro. Will keep everything crossed that Grade 3's turn good. Was ET less horrible than EC?

How's the wind and temps doing now Frank?

<<waves>> for everyone else smile

eurozammo Tue 25-Jun-13 20:22:40

ET was fine, thanks rasp. It's strange, I breeze through pretty much anything except being rendered unconscious and spiders. They are my kryptonite. If we do it again, I am going to see if the clinic will do EC under local. I'm reasonably good with pain and it shouldn't last long. Otherwise, I'm just not sure how many times I can put myself through that.

frank we can be parp buddies - I've just had acu and that always gets things moving. hmm

driz I kept going until the scan to check everything had shut down. I'd been in a fairly bad way, but everyone kept saying I would feel better when stimming started. When they told me at that scan they wanted me to downreg for another week because the clinic couldn't fit me in, I lost it. And that is when we decided to quit. By that point I just couldn't bear another day.

alwyn Tue 25-Jun-13 20:41:23

Droid has given me dreadful wind <chatty>

In other news, I've just had my first full PT session. Fuck I'm unfit.

Fish slaps to all the menkullers.

TWinklyLittleStar Tue 25-Jun-13 21:05:50

euro sorry today didn't go the way you wanted. I don't want to be patronising either, so all I'll say is that they wouldn't implant them if there was no chance and I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.

al I too get dreadful wind during droid. Which should be any day now. Hurry up droid.

evilgiraffe Tue 25-Jun-13 21:09:38

Hugs to all having a stressful time.

I've been out to see friends (ex colleagues) tonight. Lovely to see them, but by god they talk about their kids and not a huge amount else these days. And one (lovely) guy's girlfriend is diffed, on the first month of trying. I am counting it a win that I didn't either cry or hit him, but feel guilty I couldn't look him in the eye and say congratulations. Then was asked how I'm doing, nearly cried, but conversation quickly got derailed into someone's daughter's endo surgery. All very well, but I felt so helplessly upset/angry, because I was trying to share something deeply upsetting about me. Still. Deep breaths, and repetition of my mantra: "it's not all about me".

TWinklyLittleStar Tue 25-Jun-13 21:11:22

You did well not to thump them draf. And whilst "it's not all about me" is a good motto, do you ever feel like it's never about you?

RaspberrySnowCone Tue 25-Jun-13 21:23:26

Can understand the spiders Euro. And sedatives of any kind are bound to have a weird effect on anyone, I burst into tears when I woke up after my anaesthetic last year. I've never done that before and I've had a lot of anaesthetic over the years. Even the anethitist was impressed how many times I'd been knocked out! smile

RaspberrySnowCone Tue 25-Jun-13 21:23:57

Oh an draf, a thumping would have been forgiven I'm sure!

eurozammo Tue 25-Jun-13 21:30:03

I did the tears this time. I felt like the world was ending, although I had no idea why. hmm. At least it proves that the panicked running away was a chemical reaction rather than me just being mental - they gave me a different drug this time.

draf you were very restrained.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Tue 25-Jun-13 21:42:35

Draf you did very well. Are any of them aware of your situation?

evilgiraffe Tue 25-Jun-13 21:45:29

Yeah, Twink, I do. Except when I'm with HOTB or one of my very close friends - she struggled TTC herself and so she gets it in a way that none of my other friends do. Though I did have a text from a friend after I got home tonight, checking I was alright after diffage news. I hope that I will get a bit more airtime when we start stabbing, though. Mind you, I am downregging already, so I'd have thought that would deserve a minute or two.

I wonder sometimes if people don't want to hear about it because they find it obscene or shameful? Some people are like that about death and severe illness, too.

Anaesthetic is a weird thing. So far I take to it quite well, and came round from the laparoscopy very polite and grateful to the nurses, though it took a while to be able to think properly.

evilgiraffe Tue 25-Jun-13 21:49:38

All the ones who were part of the conversation were aware, Frank, yes. The derailing one is very talkative, so any pause to try to stave off tears regain self-control is an invitation to jump in. They are lovely people though. Perhaps just scared to let a pause lengthen?

Bearfacedchic Wed 26-Jun-13 00:37:54

Hello all,

Lovely new Fred. Well done Frank. I once had to get a plunger in Italy and the dictionary didn't have the word in, so I drew it and it inevitably looked like a dildo. Oh how I and the Italian plumbers (who had gathered round me in the shop) laughed.

Really hoping it all works out for you Euro. thanks

Been doing some menkulling on another Fred over the weekend. Have been generally raging against my body and GS's. I'm starting to get that detached, lonely feeling some of you have talked about. The idea of having a baby is slowly fading and I'm left just feeling empty. Sigh.

Anyway, I think those of you stabbing, shooting up, having dildocams, being prodded, poked, unzipped and rezipped are just so brave and admirable. <stands back to admire the BESH collective> That is all.

Bearfacedchic Wed 26-Jun-13 00:49:37

Sorry to hear about the lack/nonexistence of air time Draf. You were most restrained. I know what you mean about people not wanting to talk about it. hmm I personally only want to talk about it with people who fully understand, but it's difficult when you want to share and they can't/ won't listen. I'm always afraid of sounding self-pitying and I probably am, but sometimes there is nothing else. It's hard to maintain the brave face for everyone else.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 26-Jun-13 07:13:49

Morning Hags, just been for a 25 min run <wheezes>

I know what you mean about wanting to talk about but stuff at times, but I'd rather do it on my own terms IYSWIM. That's why we only to,d a small handful of people. I can't stand the "So, are you doing?" question, usually accompanied by ::sad face:: and ::head tilt:: hmm. I have to tell people if I need to talk I will and if there is anything they need to know I will tell them, other than that LEAVE ME ALONE!!!' <misery guts>

Oh yeah, 15dpo - temp still up <sticks fingers in ears and resumes singing>

RaspberrySnowCone Wed 26-Jun-13 08:01:01

How's you feeling today Euro?

Frank.....starting ever so slightly to menkul for you. Feel free to slap me smile

Bear I think the detached feeling gets to us all eventually. Tis a sad feeling when all of a sudden I realise that I don't think about what my kids would look like, baby names, packing a hospital bag ready for labour.

I have so many questions now that I should have asked the clinic. The nurse said that everything looked fine scan wise so she didn't see a problem getting going as soon as I'd had my follow up. Next appt is probably 16 July and she said then I'd need to ring up on day 1 of next cycle and they'd get me in on Day 21? She didn't really say what that meant? How does it work and would this sound right?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 26-Jun-13 08:16:34

<whispers> Rasp, I'm menkulling enough for everyone at the moment wink

Can't advise you on the clinic appointments as I've not been through that treatment plan.

Hest how are you doing? Are you still busy busy at the moment?

Euro hope you are feeling ok this morning.

RaspberrySnowCone Wed 26-Jun-13 08:34:57

Menkul away! Droid has just disappeared for the month so no menkulling for me. Going to try and have lots of SFF this month, make the most of it before they stop that with their magic potions and pills that will turn me into a crazy hormonal wreck

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Wed 26-Jun-13 09:09:33

Good menkulling frank have a fish slap, whilst I get my tassles out of storage in case they're needed later this week!

Sorry about the lack of airtime draf. I totally know the feeling. But also the awkward head-tilting questioning. I've gone for the "I'll let you know when I want to talk about it" approach, and really only talk to the good ones and focus on job and hols and their kids with the incompetent rest. But opening up and not being heard really sucks.

Rasp if it is anything like mine, you'll call and get dildo cammed early in the cycle for cysts etc with DRing starting on day 21.

I am getting hold of the clinic today. I am too knackered to think which makes my job really difficult.

BarbiesBeaver Wed 26-Jun-13 09:36:00

<drops off some silicone lubricant, monkey wrench, and drain rods>
Good luck BESHes.
<scurries off again>

Oh, and the feeling faint thing after smears/IUI/HSG stuff (as well as being immensely stressful) can be due to a vasovagal response - more common in athletically fit people or with low blood pressure after having womble or cervix mucked about with, or can even be caused by straining to have a poo.

eurozammo Wed 26-Jun-13 10:36:13

rasp I started downregging on day 21 when I started long protocol IVF, so that would make sense.

<eyes up frank's kidneys>

drizz I hope the chat with the clinic goes well.

I'm feeling ok. Just a bit "blank". The clinic gave us a 20% chance with these embies, so that's 80% likelihood that it won't work. I'm starting to think about another round in August already (and working out some way to deal with EC!). I'm also feeling a bit invaded. In the past few weeks I have had smear, colposcopy, EC and ET. I want to reclaim my fanjo! <clenches>

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Wed 26-Jun-13 10:39:11

Morning hags!

They'll discuss my case in the team meeting... But there is little they can do, except maybe try something different next time. And I can quit, if I want until we start stimming, with no deleterious effect, except, possibly never doing IVF again. But hey, at least I'd be able to do my job...

Reclaim the fanjo, I can see a really successful political movement developing grin. Ignore stats, euro. They always suck.

RaspberrySnowCone Wed 26-Jun-13 10:47:13

Is long protocol 6 weeks of drugs then? I'm starting to worry that 6 weeks is a long time and ill forget to take something/do something wrong if/when I start stabbing! Panick stations please......

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 26-Jun-13 11:14:57

The stabbing becomes quite easy Rasp, just do what I did and set a recurring reminder on your phone for the same time every evening.

eurozammo Wed 26-Jun-13 11:18:10

I did the phone reminder too (in fact, I have one now so I remember to take my fanny bullets twice a day).

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Wed 26-Jun-13 11:56:35

Snap at the phone reminder frank and euro. I didn't in the IUI rounds before and sometimes nearly forgot.

Northey Wed 26-Jun-13 12:26:51

What does your reminder say, euro? <fascinated> I love the idea of Fanny! or Bum! flashing up on your phone screen at work.

eurozammo Wed 26-Jun-13 12:36:27

Heh. Just "Drugs!" Although you have now given me inspiration to be more creative...

Northey Wed 26-Jun-13 12:58:21

Also, <hands frank a fiver>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 26-Jun-13 13:00:22

Mine just said "Injection" <original>

<pockets fiver>

Northey Wed 26-Jun-13 13:01:04

I have rebelled against lunch at my desk and am lying on the grass in a nearby park and marvelling at the midday light. CD66. My record is over 100 days. I wonder if I should waste a fiver myself. Just for fun

TWinklyLittleStar Wed 26-Jun-13 13:36:28

Don't you have a stash of internet cheapies for POAS emergencies?

TWinklyLittleStar Wed 26-Jun-13 13:38:44

Lying on the grass in the park sounds good. I went out for lunch with HWCA, night shift tonight and am ultra sleepy so going back to bed for a bit.

<prepares kidney poking devices>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 26-Jun-13 14:16:54

Hest is suspiciously quiet too <tries to draw attention away from self>

TWinklyLittleStar Wed 26-Jun-13 14:28:56

Yes I noticed that. One of the aforementioned devices is for her, worry not.

HesterShaw Wed 26-Jun-13 14:33:29

Sorry for being a rubbish BESH, hags. Am veh busy and trying not to menkul xxxxx

But before I go, BB, very interesting info on the low blood pressure/athleticism thing. I nearly passed out on the loo the other day. I had to have my head between my knees. It was a low point, I must say (it was the morning after the IUI)

FizzyFeet Wed 26-Jun-13 15:18:11

Hags, what are your thoughts on counselling? Has anyone else had it? I went today for the first time and tbh I feel a bit underwhelmed by it. Basically he said almost nothing while I blabbed about stuff that came into my head. I was hoping for (and asked about) something a bit more... constructive I guess. I was hoping for some suggestions of ways to think about things or even some therapeutic tasks that I might have resisted doing . Just something more than just me talking. It just seems not to be his approach. Plus the only time he can see me clashes with a big regular work meeting so yet again I feel like I'm struggling to reconcile my job with my well being. What do you reckon? Anyone had a hard first session but stuck with it?

Anyway, enough of the me me me.

drizz hope you're doing ok with all ze drugs
euro hurrah for ET. Have everything crossed. And fx for the menkullers hest and frank. Sorry to hear about rubbish friends and lonely feelings. You have the BESH to be your pals though - what more could you want? Bet you dont get fainty-poo information from them, eh? And norf maybe your droid will turn up as soon as my blardy ivf paperwork <squints into the far distance>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 26-Jun-13 15:42:17

Fizz I've only had one counselling session and it did me the world of good. Hand on heart I've only had one blub fest since the session in March, a real result!

I definitely did most of the talking and she asked occasional questions. There were a lot of tears and snot but I felt like a weight had been lifted afterwards.

We discussed how none of this is my "fault". I've done nothing wrong to cause this situation and the universe is not punishing me for bad deeds. We also talked about finding ways to keep me occupied, stopping the negative thoughts creeping in. As a result I have taken up cross-stitch grin

Perhaps you just need to try a different counsellor? Did you find this one yourself or is he an NHS one?

eurozammo Wed 26-Jun-13 16:06:44

fizz I had one session at my clinic when I was struggling with downregging for IVF. I talked about feeling like a failure and simply not wanting to be doing IVF and all of the other things I was feeling at the time. She head tilted and sympathised, but that was it. I found it pointless and didn't go back.

I do use my acu sessions to unload a bit though. It's an hour where I don't have to spare anyone's feelings and can say what I am feeling. I find that more helpful, tbh.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Wed 26-Jun-13 16:14:47

I reckon it is getting a counsellor that suits you and knows what fertility-shit is all about. I went to one several times when I was falling to pieces left right and centre post-MC (although I got hold of her during the successful cycle, cos I was not coping). She did make me do horrid things - like write a letter to the child that the MC should have been and stuff. But it helped loads. It has made a huge difference to my well-being since, but the DRing drucks are more powerful than any coping mechanisms I picked up.

The clinic was not particularly useful. Agreement on not another LP cycle, promise not to do the crazy-extra-DRing time you had to do euro, and the suggestion to stick it out til stimming as it might be better can hardly be worse. But up to me, because only I know whether I can cope...

eurozammo Wed 26-Jun-13 16:18:08

How long do you have to go before stimming, drizz?

Northey Wed 26-Jun-13 16:24:05

fizztula, my counselling experience was the same as yours. Uncannily so, in fact. I used a counselling service accessed through work - maybe that was why they were a bit crap. I was definitely disappointed.

<closes the eurofoof with sealant>

CaptainMoll Wed 26-Jun-13 16:27:09

Frank - some Dame Judy cross-stitch inspiration for you:

evilgiraffe Wed 26-Jun-13 18:48:16

I've had a lovely afternoon out today with a friend who has often been a bit weak, supportive-wise, but who redeemed herself by being completely lovely all afternoon, letting me talk and explain without it turning into a different conversation. Perfect smile

I've not had counselling, but think I will give it a go when we get cracking with stimming. I don't expect it to be any help, but I could do with a ragey self-centred rant at a real life person who doesn't actually matter, if you see what I mean. HOTB is normally fine for ranting to, but I can't really expand on the guilt to him - guilt because it's me who's barren, not him. He'll tell me it doesn't work like that, which I know, but it don't stop me feeling like his lack of fatherhood is all my fault. Which it is, even if it's hardly a choice.

RaspberrySnowCone Wed 26-Jun-13 21:43:56

I haven't had any counselling yet. I asked my GP about it and he said there was no funding. I'm going to approach the clinic next week to see if I can see someone as we are now in their system. I'm not finding any of this easy and apparently the clinics counselling is with their specially trained nurses and all the nurses we met this week were lovely so I'm hoping it will be helpful.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 26-Jun-13 21:46:24

Rasp that sounds like a good idea. My clinic offers 1 free session for women on my treatment (OI) and 2 for women on IVF.

TWinklyLittleStar Wed 26-Jun-13 21:47:34

I had generic rather than fertility counselling, about a year ago I think. It was crap, hated it.

RaspberrySnowCone Wed 26-Jun-13 21:48:07

Ill take as much as I can get! I probably just need a good cry on someone other than people who are emotionally invested or will feel upset with me or guilty or like they have to come out with messages of hope!

RaspberrySnowCone Wed 26-Jun-13 21:50:52

I think for fertility isshoos it probably needs to be fertility counselling? It's a very specific thing, I would imagine generic counsellors are probably say there wanting to ask about your relationship with your parents and your childhood or is that stereotyping smile

I wonder if counsellors have counselling or if they could counsell themselves?

Northey Wed 26-Jun-13 22:02:58

<fiddles amicably with spigot>

RaspberrySnowCone Wed 26-Jun-13 22:09:17


Northey Wed 26-Jun-13 22:12:03

Isn't it some sort of plumbing hardware? I am imagine g some sort of stopcock/washer/nut thing.

Northey Wed 26-Jun-13 22:12:46

I was just trying to keep to the theme. I should have gone for something hilarious about o-rings.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 26-Jun-13 22:19:32

Summat like that Norf I could make a crude joke about blockages in pipes owing to this blardy wind. Honestly, it's foul <chatty> blush

Northey Wed 26-Jun-13 22:26:13

Definitely some trapped wind in my system too.

HesterShaw Wed 26-Jun-13 22:39:01

I'm windier than the Roaring Forties.

HesterShaw Wed 26-Jun-13 22:39:15

And pooey <chatty>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 26-Jun-13 22:41:06

It's evenings like these that I'm glad I'm in the house alone. Even the cat has left the room in disgust blush

RaspberrySnowCone Wed 26-Jun-13 22:41:31

Ohhhhh, rings!

TWinklyLittleStar Thu 27-Jun-13 05:47:01

<opens all the windows to let the smell out>

My counselling was for general ishoos not fertility ones, but I felt horribly self indulgent whittering on about myself. Also, like others I was hoping for some practical advice not <headtilt aww Der Der>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 27-Jun-13 06:45:36

Morning BESH, hope all are well this morning. I've been hiding this so far, so thought I'd share my chart and ask you all to tie me down and stop me getting my hopes up. I can't bear the disappointment again after getting excited last time, but it sorta looks good doesn't it <gulp>?

Northey Thu 27-Jun-13 06:53:02

Argh! Yes! Are you being strong till tomorrow?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 27-Jun-13 06:58:27

After last time Norf I have to. I got my hopes up so much with that faint line when I tested 2 days before OTD, and I can't go through the emotional crash when the line disappeared the next day again.

I'm trying (not promising!) to hold out till tomorrow, I figure if there is going to be a line I want a strong one, not a "squint and tilt your head to see it" one.

<hides stockpile of tests>

Northey Thu 27-Jun-13 07:00:51

It does look really good. We need the Perch of Patience all right.

Northey Thu 27-Jun-13 07:01:08

Any other symptoms?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 27-Jun-13 07:07:52

Wind grin

I have felt sick/tired a few times, but tbh I've had that plenty of times before so I don't think that is reliable.

Boobs feel normal, though the nips are more willing to stand to attention than normal, but they're not tingly or anything.

That's it really. Nothing concrete <menkuls>

eurozammo Thu 27-Jun-13 07:11:46

Um frank. That is a very interesting chart...

Northey Thu 27-Jun-13 07:13:12

Is wind a thing? I think it is, isn't it?

evilgiraffe Thu 27-Jun-13 08:00:43

Good chart, Frank! I agree with your determination to Be Strong and hold out until official test day, though. It's not that far away now anyway smile

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 27-Jun-13 08:06:30

I looked it up, high progesterone can cause wind and bloating, so yup looks like wind is "a thing".

Northey Thu 27-Jun-13 08:08:38

euro, how are you feeling today? Are you feeling like you have reclaimed your foof a bit?

And twink, when I was very low after second ectopic, my GP suggested cognitive behaviour therapy. I ended up doing shitty head tilt thing instead, but I wonder if CBT might have had more of a system behind it and be more focused on some sort of change.

In my own world, still no droid or anything, but I swear my boobs are bigger. They don't hurt, and the nipples are ordinary enough, but they are just bigger. I have put some weight on, so it is probably just that...

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Thu 27-Jun-13 08:15:54

Hello hags!

That is one very impressive chart frank. Wind is a thing - and was my only thing when I was diffed for quite some time - and I am impressed you're holding of testing til 17dpo!! My IUI OTD was always 16dpo, but we tested ourselves at 15dpo. Well done if you make it til tomorrow and get yourself over here for some kidney poking.

Counselling with a fertility counsellor should deal with the specifics of the situation, so headtilting is just nog cutting it. We dealt mostly with the MC-grief, of which I had bucketloads, and then a little with dealing with the unendingness and being lived by the ferti-shit. She mainly taught me a few sensible ways to deal with the waves of emotions and feelings of hopelessness, which I was using, until I got derailed by the DRing drucks. Last pill last night, waiting for driod, then stimming on day 3 (I might beg for day 2) estimated from July 1st.

Hurrah for redeeming friend draf.

How are you feeling hest, except for pooey?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 27-Jun-13 08:45:57

According to clinic tomorrow should be 16dpo because they expect ov 48 hours after the trigger but I must have been ready to pop as I went somewhere between 24 and 36 hours according to my temps. So I'm a day ahead but sticking to the clinic's dates.

Euro how are you? Are you still off work?

Hest, hope my POAF buddy is ok.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 27-Jun-13 09:24:48


Frank that chart is veh interesting. No one will blame you if you POAS today <pokes kidneys>

Euro I have a friend at work who had 2 grade 3's put back in, one is now her 2 yo son. I know these stories do fuck all to help though

Norf how's the norks?

Rasp sorry I'm late but TWAT. Glad you've calmed down / made up now.

Hest have some prawns <dumps bucket>

Well BESH today is not a good day. I woke up, stretched and now can't move without terrible pain!! NHS wanted to send an ambulance, I refused and instead have taken some co-codamol which will probably make me feel like shit. Who thought a cricked neck could be so painful. My boss probably thinks i'm a total idiot!

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 27-Jun-13 09:29:29

Oh Bugs are you sure you shouldn't go to hospital? Necks are funny things and you shouldn't be lying there in agony.

RaspberrySnowCone Thu 27-Jun-13 09:29:30

No point me looking at a chart Frank, wouldn't have a clue what was going on but if everyone else is getting mildly excited then I will too. !!

My meltdown has arrive in rather spectacular fashion. Felt fine this morning until 730 when I got a migraine aura. Made it into work for 8 only to have to come home by 9 due to being sick and having a bad head, tis a weird one though as its bearable, almost like crippling tiredness. So since getting through the door I have sobbed my little heart out and am starting to feel much better for it. Going to have a nap, another cry then hopefully head back to work for an afternoon of everyone telling me I look like shite smile

HesterShaw Thu 27-Jun-13 09:33:31

Good luck Frank. I think I'm out. Might as well save the fiver and get wasted I reckon sad

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 27-Jun-13 09:38:15

What makes you think that Hest?

Frank I've just cricked it. They'll only prescribe painkillers and a wheat pack. I told my boss I might be in this afternoon, I doubt I will to be honest.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 27-Jun-13 09:47:59

Oh Hest sad I'm sorry.

Rasp lovely, why not take the whole day off? You sound exhausted.

Bugs if it gets worse promise you'll call someone <stern face>

HadALittleFaithBaby Thu 27-Jun-13 09:48:24

bugs didn't you say on t'other place you had a bad head too? I has similar a couple of years ago and I ended being admitted! Keep up the painkillers and plenty of fluids but don't hesitate to get medical help if you get worse.

Nice chart Frank wink

Hair strokes Hesty.

eurozammo Thu 27-Jun-13 10:02:40

frank I prefer to keep things as normal as possible, so I have been at work throughout. EC was on a Sunday this time, so I didn't need time off for that. I worked from home on ET day, because between the ET itself and the acu appointment later in the day I would have lost the whole day if I had been travelling to the office too. It's a desk job so not exactly stressful, and I have my own office, so I can menkul in peace. smile

When diffed I was very parpy and got progressively bloated as the day went on. It's a thing, apparently. Just sayin'. wink

bugs the stories do sort of help, thanks. I spent most of yesterday finding tales online of successes with low grade embryos and they are out there, which makes sense. The clinic said 20%, not 0%, so there will be success stories. It's just the chances are lower. I'm going to try to stop googling now. Nothing is going to tell me whether or not I am in the lucky 20% apart from a pish stick in about 10 days' time.

Can you get to see an osteopath or something about the nexk? That sounds awful!

hest sorry you think you are out.

evilgiraffe Thu 27-Jun-13 10:17:15

It's not over until the fat droid sings, Hest. Fingers still crossed for you and Frank and euro.

Rasp, work have sent you home. This is a free pass! Don't go back!

HeliumHeart Thu 27-Jun-13 10:49:43

euro - you don't know me but I thought I'd barge in with my "sort of helpful" story. I had my second round of IVF, desperately trying for my first baby at the egg-wizened age of 38. We ended up with just two "crap" embies. I was gutted; my first round had given us far more and better embryos - and that hadn't worked. So in my mind how could this one work? The clinic didn't give us any %ages to go on, but they were very insistent on putting two back, and pulled a funny face like this >> confused when we asked about our chances.

To my absolute shock, it did work, and we had twins. I still feel guilty at the fact I wrote them off because, well, you can imagine why PFBitis. As my other half said at the time, "those little fellas are doing the best they can - you've got to believe in them until proved otherwise". And that's true - they will be trying their hardest inside you to be the best they can. And for the record, there's quite a lot of evidence that the grading by embryologists is a load of old bollocks. IIRC no-one quite understands WHY embryos-that-look-pretty tend to do better and it's certainly not a done deal that current theories on the subject are to be believed. Best of luck to you. X

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 27-Jun-13 10:53:59

Lovely story Heart

eurozammo Thu 27-Jun-13 11:03:57

Thanks Heart. I appreciate you posting. Your situation really does echo mine - we had a grade one embie put back first time and that ended in miscarriage, so I can't help thinking that these duffers won't be up to much! But someone has to be in the lucky 20%.

My negativity is partly genuine (last time because we were unexplained and I couldn't see why getting sperm and egg together in a lab was going to help when that should have been happening naturally and this time because of the embryo quality) and partly self-protection (I have less far to fall if it doesn't work out, and if it does, I get a pleasant surprise.)

Congrats on your twins. They are clearly determined little buggers!

HesterShaw Thu 27-Jun-13 11:56:38

Deflating boobs. Period pain. That's it.

RaspberrySnowCone Thu 27-Jun-13 12:02:29

It's not over yet Hest, will cross everything for you.

Euro like you say, 20% is not 0%, someone makes up those numbers.

I've just booked an appointment for a massage and accupuncture and a massage on Monday night. MATV is going to go mad. He hated stuff like that but these heads are killing me and pain killers don't help. I'm going to try and head back to work I think, still feel grim but the pain has just about gone so that's a start.

eurozammo Thu 27-Jun-13 12:08:46

rasp I think you should stay home for the rest of the day. You are not so important that the world will stop turning if you are not there. <stern>

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 27-Jun-13 12:12:11

I agree with euro Rasp

I'm on the sofa with a wheat bag round my neck watching trashy daytime TV. Its bliss. I also feel pished due to the painkillers.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 27-Jun-13 12:21:41

I agree with Euro and Bugs. Rasp - stay home!

Hest, I've everything crossed for you lovely.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 27-Jun-13 13:07:09

Oh great Katie Price is on Loose Women.

She's hiding her bump although EVERYONE knows she's pregnant. That woman infuriates me but I'll still watch her

TWinklyLittleStar Thu 27-Jun-13 13:35:34

rasp & bugs - hair strokes poorly ladies, hope heads and necks feel better soon. Resting is good for getting better. Not sure torturing yourself listening to that daft eejit Price is.

frank with that chart you must be in the throes of a SuperMenkul. Not long to go until tomorrow.

hest you're not out yet love. Save the getting wasted for one more day? Here, have some expensive hand dived scallops.

euro your stoicism continues to impress me.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 27-Jun-13 14:19:00

New balls please tennistennis

evilgiraffe Thu 27-Jun-13 14:20:33

Yeah. What Twink said. <piggybacking on wisdom>

I am feeling super efficient. I got a letter today saying I need to go for a smear, so I've managed to rearrange my nurse appointment on Tuesday to fit in both the smear and the next downregging implant. Might as well get it over with sooner rather than later, and all that.

Does anyone else feel amused when people fret about smears? It's just one more thing on the happy fanjo carousel o' treatments, innit, it barely registers what with all the dildocamming and IVF jiggerypokery. Like my friend said yesterday, at least if I get diffed I won't be bothered by having my bits fiddled with by all and sundry - been there plenty of times already...

evilgiraffe Thu 27-Jun-13 14:22:19

Nice balls, Bugs. Stick them in a cistern with a cock or two and we'll have another plumbing joke.

evilgiraffe Thu 27-Jun-13 14:26:34

Also, dammit, I can't believe I didn't think to suggest Wimbledon or Le Tour as a fred feem. Arrrrgh. Can we have that next time, assuming we fill this one up before said competitions are over?

Speaking of Le Tour, have you all noticed that Cav will be in a special jersey again? He's British Champion, hurrah! It was a properly emphatic victory, too - we watched the highlights at the weekend. Stage One of the Tour is flat, so there's a good chance of a bunch sprint finish and therefore we might see Cav in the maillot jaune too... grin

TWinklyLittleStar Thu 27-Jun-13 14:34:34

I can't believe its Le Tour again this week. Feels like it was only last week.

Even at best speed it takes us about 3 weeks to fill a fred so it'll take some doing, but then there's a lot happening at the moment so it could be done. How long do the TDF and Wimbledon last?

evilgiraffe Thu 27-Jun-13 14:36:37

TdF is three weeks long, so it's doable! No idea about the tennis, though. I know what you mean, it's gone crazy fast. Shame Wiggins isn't up to it, but Cav and Froomedog will do us proud I'm sure.

eurozammo Thu 27-Jun-13 14:41:13

Thanks Twink. <preens, stoicly> Joking aside, I genuinely appreciate that.

The plumbing theme is ace, but I can't believe none of us thought of a timely Wimbledon fred. My clinic is in Wimbledon too! Although I wasn't exactly at my most level-headed when this thread was started as I was on my post-EC come down

draf I'm the same about smears now. In the past year I have had 3 smears, 3 colposcopies, two egg collections, two embryo transfers and numerous dildocams. It's like Picadilly Circus up there! <waits for bus, endlessly> <hopes two don't come along at once>

Did I mention the post-EC funnee? When I was getting dressed and preparing to run away the gynae came in to try to talk to me. I was in my bra and pants. The gynae looked embarrassed, apologised and quickly whipped himself back behind the curtain. The moment for modesty had probably passed when he spent half an hour with his hand up my foof... hmm

TWinklyLittleStar Thu 27-Jun-13 14:44:22

grin euro! And you're welcome.

draf I just Googled old Cav again. I am somewhat disturbed by his resemblance to Lee from Steps in some pictures. Apart from that though, he is a top bloke.

evilgiraffe Thu 27-Jun-13 14:49:10

Cav does not look like any soppy twerp from Steps <stern> <disclaimer: I have no clue what anyone from Steps looks like, much less if they're a soppy twerp> He is pretty, though. So very, very pretty, and talented, and friendly, and intelligent. I heart him so much.

euro, that's BRILLIANT grin

TWinklyLittleStar Thu 27-Jun-13 15:18:47

I love your Cav love draf.

On a different note I am CD28 and want this cycle over already. It would suit me to have relatively short cycles, this time and next please.

On that note norf when did you last POAF?

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 27-Jun-13 15:32:57

I have just had a 2nd does of co-codamol and I feel lovely and woozy. An estate agent is coming to value our house at 5pm. I wasn't meant to be here so GP was going to meet him. Instead he'll have to deal with my sorry and slightly woozy ass.

HesterShaw Thu 27-Jun-13 16:32:06

I'm feeling at the moment absolutely sick with envy and rage. Wtf does counselling achieve? It doesn't make you fertile. Why do some people have all the luck and others have none at all? My whole life I have felt unattractive and unfeminine and unwomanly and being barren simply proves that I am. I'm going to have to face a life of no Christmas plays, never having anyone call me mum, no one to comfort me in old age, no one to read stories to at bedtime and it's NOT FUCKING FAIR.

HesterShaw Thu 27-Jun-13 16:33:01

<distinctly unstoic>

eurozammo Thu 27-Jun-13 16:35:56

Oh hest. I'm sorry you feel that way. It's not true you know, it's just the hormones talking.

<Hands over soemwhat battered cod of comfort>

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 27-Jun-13 16:45:03

Oh Hest <hair strokes>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 27-Jun-13 16:45:34

<cuddles Hest>

I know, it's so unfair sad I had a few quiet tears to myself on Father's Day as I just kept thinking how great a dad HWHNN would be and that I can't seem to give him that one thing.

Better to be angry/sad than to bottle it up I say.

TWinklyLittleStar Thu 27-Jun-13 16:52:40

Oh hest sad

CaptainMoll Thu 27-Jun-13 17:08:27

Hest, for what it's worth, I think you (and all the BESH) are heroic and awesome, and being heroic wins hands down over being "feminine" every time. Also, and I find it difficult to remember this myself, barrenness is a medical condition, not a personality trait.

<gives Hest a friendly wallop with a ball-cock>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 27-Jun-13 17:17:54

Well said Moll

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 27-Jun-13 19:27:19

Agreed <nods>

We've just had our house valued. The estate agent was here 90 minutes. I tried EVERYTHING to give him the hint to do one but he clearly didn't pick up on my not to subtle comments!

Frank are you still POAF tomorrow?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 27-Jun-13 20:32:36

Are you happy with the valuation Bugs? How's the neck?

Yes, POAF tomorrow morning. I'm bricking it to be honest, part of me would rather not know - that way I can't be disappointed IYSWIM.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 27-Jun-13 21:54:13

The neck is still stiff & sore. A little better but I suppose I'll know in the morning when I wake up, if I can get out of bed.

The valuation isn't much more than we paid for it, but we only bought it 2 years ago so knew realistically we wouldn't make much.

We don't need to sell, we just want something a bit bigger with more garden and a garage. we've 2 big dogs, 2 cars and a motorbike.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 27-Jun-13 21:54:55

Frank I forgot to say, sorry, I'll probably be lurking tomorrow so will be here to hold your hand if needed.

eurozammo Thu 27-Jun-13 22:04:01

frank I'll be checking in tomorrow. smile

bugs I hope you feel better tomorrow.

We are thinking about moving too, but not sure whether to look round where we are or move further out for more space. Everything in/around London is horribly expensive.

hest I hope you are feeling better lovely.

moll I have no idea what feminine means. I'm a woman, therefore feminine. I have boobs, which I sometimes show off and sometimes cover. I use my brain on an even footing with men. I wear heels and skirts sometimes and combats and boots sometimes. Who the fuck knows what feminine is? <stops rambling>

RaspberrySnowCone Thu 27-Jun-13 22:19:12

I survived the day! Even went to a quiz after work organised by the students and won two prizes smile feel completely knackered and headachy again now though, didn't help that one of the students played the bagpipes. He was very good but I did think at one point my head might explode.

Hair strokes Hest, I think a good rage is therapeutic sometimes, as is a good cry. Suppose it's all part of the grieving process.

Anyway ladies, I'm off to bed to sleep off my dodgy head. See you tomorrow ......frank...... hope pee time is early so I can see before I head to work!

Northey Thu 27-Jun-13 22:20:56

Nicely put, moll.

hest, I feel for you very much on all those fronts. If it's any help, from seeing your photo I always thought of you as attractive. And I am praying for a win for you tomorrow, whether you feel it is likely or not. And for frank. And for everyone.

CaptainMoll Thu 27-Jun-13 22:39:27

I second that Norf.
Euro - that's exactly it. Feminine is someone's made up idea of some weird intangible quality we are apparently supposed to aspire to. We are women. That's the real bit. Women do all those real things you listed. Feminine is make believe.

Massive good wishes for POAFs tomorrow, and everything else.

HesterShaw Thu 27-Jun-13 23:37:30

But I just don't understand. I know people have cancer, and starve, and have awful deformities, and live with disabilities and disfigurements and scars and so on. I know that. But why me? Why us? Why does my sister have two babies and I can't even have one?

HesterShaw Thu 27-Jun-13 23:38:09

Even my fucking mad irresponsible crap brother knocked some girl up and has a daughter.

Bearfacedchic Fri 28-Jun-13 00:38:31

Hiya, sorry I've been AWOL for a bit. Work had been busy and I've now got a cold and hacking cough, so gave been dragging myself around feeling like shite only to fall back into bed at any given opportunity. Did manage the sechsing tonight though. GS was well up for a snotty me! grin

Woah. So much up catch up on.

Hest - I know exactly what you mean. I feel like I've been through enough shit already and I deserve to win a baybee, especially when other lowlifes manage it so easily and you're right; it's not fucking fair and I don't understand it. It's so horrible, but as someone else said I think it's good to let it out. I'm just doing my utmost to make sure it doesn't consume me completely although it's doing a bloody good job of trying hang in there <slyly squeezes Hest's hand>

Bearfacedchic Fri 28-Jun-13 00:44:12

I'm thinking of you all throughout the day even if I don't get a chance to post as often as I'd like. Thinking of sore necks, possible joy at peeing, the indignity of all this sorry nonsense, hear hear at the absurdity of the idea of femininity and anyone who's feeling a bit rough in any way. Sending my shiniest and best spanners to you all.

Bearfacedchic Fri 28-Jun-13 00:54:23

Good luck Frank!

JethroTull Fri 28-Jun-13 06:14:15

<eyes Frank's chart with extreme interest>

Hest you are not unfeminine, unwomanly or unattractive. You are fucked off with the situation you're in. It is shitty, unfair and has worn you down. It's ok to be angry. <leaves gin & fish & a bag of hope>

JethroTull Fri 28-Jun-13 06:15:16

Zammo our embryo wasn't grade one either. Just sayin'...

Northey Fri 28-Jun-13 06:24:33

<also examines chart with massive interest>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 28-Jun-13 08:30:28

Oh thank god, we're back online! What was that all about?

So yes, sorry, for those that haven't already snooped figured it out wink. I have 3 positive tests in from of me this morning grin

Nokkie73 Fri 28-Jun-13 08:36:10

frank just popped in to see if the klaxon went off. OHMYGOD YOU HAVE A BAYBEE IN YOUR TUMTUM. Really lovely news. I am smiling like a loon for you. Big hugs and well fucking done. grin grin grin

Flickstar Fri 28-Jun-13 08:36:31

So happy for you dear frank xx

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 28-Jun-13 08:37:46

I just got off the phone with my clinic. The nurse that answered the phone was the one who dealt with me sobbing down the phone after the last failed cycle. She actually SQUUUUEEE'd down the phone at me grin

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 28-Jun-13 08:38:31

Flick!!! <clutches ankles> Thank you!

TWinklyLittleStar Fri 28-Jun-13 08:41:43

grin at the SQUEEE nurse. frank am delighted for you.

evilgiraffe Fri 28-Jun-13 08:58:22

Fantastic news, Frank! I am so pleased for you! grin

Pixiestix Fri 28-Jun-13 09:07:42

Oh Frank! Congratulations! Congratulations!! I'm so happy for you that I can't even type coherently.

<leaps about flinging halibut of happiness and cockles of congratulations>

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 28-Jun-13 09:08:54

Frank remind me / us what treatment you've been on.

zippys Fri 28-Jun-13 09:14:25

Frank - so so happy for you. Massive hugs xx

Frank!!!!! CONGRATULATIONS!!! I am so excited and happy for you!!

<ducks as halibut flies past>

bunnygirl80 Fri 28-Jun-13 09:32:47

Frank this is the best news ever ever ever. Congratulations.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 28-Jun-13 09:34:07

Bugs I've been on Ovulation Induction which is daily injections (low dose compared to IVF) of FSH to grow the follies, followed by an HCG trigger and lots of sechs! This was our third cycle (technically 4th, but cycle 3 round 1 was cancelled by the clinic as my follies stopped growing).

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 28-Jun-13 09:40:12

I wonder if the hossie will allow me to try this before the final step of IVF. Whats the name of the drucks? Do you use bum bullets too? Am I right in thinking you have PCOS too?

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 28-Jun-13 09:43:14

Sorry for the billion questions, feel free to tell me to fuck off to allow you to enjoy today.

cakeandcava Fri 28-Jun-13 09:46:11

Fantastic news Frank, congratulations!! grin

Bearfacedchic Fri 28-Jun-13 09:49:25

Oh Frank! I'm so so pleased for you!!!

Casserole Fri 28-Jun-13 09:50:01

Buggerlugs I can hear your pain through your words. They are all valid questions. I wish you had managed to congratulate Frank amongst them though.

Dear Frankel , I am so pleased for you. I know it's been a long hard road. Congratulations and well done. Now have a brilliant day staring at those sticks grin

<leaves valves of vodka and ballcocks of bacardi to all in need x>

SinkyMalinks Fri 28-Jun-13 10:00:56



<tried to shimmy subtly>

Bugs - I'm pcos. I'm doing the same a frank. Deffo worth speaking to clinic about - if nothing else, they're using mine to help figure out drug doses for ivf if I need it (very high amh, cysts +++ and normal weight = big risk over stim)

<back under rock of grouting>

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 28-Jun-13 10:10:15

Cass, I have already sent a huge congratulations and even managed a nekkid dance on t'other place (FB) when Mn was down this morning. Most BESH saw it.

<wonders why people always seem to assume the worst>

eurozammo Fri 28-Jun-13 10:10:18

I think the congrats had already been taken care of elsewhere, while MN was offline, cass.

I'm going to say it here again anyway - squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! grin

eurozammo Fri 28-Jun-13 10:11:07

frank your plumber deserves a tip. wink

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 28-Jun-13 10:17:03

<Attempts nekkid dance (again) even with a cricked neck>

Just in case any other ESH wish to insinuate I'm a total bitch after all you've already done it 3 times, why not try for a 4th.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 28-Jun-13 10:17:37

Cass - it's ok, Bugs has been more than congratulatory on the Book of Face wink

Bugs it's definitely worth asking about. My clinic don't offer IUI on the NHS so it was OI or IVF for us.

I use Menopur for the daily injections (usually a dose of 75ml - or whatever the measurement is) and then Ovitrelle as the HCG trigger. I didn't have any side effects from either, which is good.

evilgiraffe Fri 28-Jun-13 10:18:19

Indeed, Bugs hmm Enthusiastic questioning is quite congratulatory anyway.

<feels deflated and put-upon on Bugs behalf>

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 28-Jun-13 10:20:20

<gets over self>

Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee a baybee Frankel grin gringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringrin

TWinklyLittleStar Fri 28-Jun-13 10:20:40

<massages bug's neck whilst twirling nipple tassles>

Casserole Fri 28-Jun-13 10:32:44

Bugs seeing as you well know I was one of the few people who used to stick up for you, I shall ignore your comment about people assuming the worst.

evilgiraffe Fri 28-Jun-13 10:34:16

Your comment upset more than just Bugs, Casserole. Do you really think the midst of Frank's good news is the place to barge in and act like the thread police?

TWinklyLittleStar Fri 28-Jun-13 10:36:19

Wow casserole. Way to drag it into the gutter. You were out of order to bugs, and also to frank for ruining the mood. You owe both an apology.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 28-Jun-13 10:37:19

Shame you didn't remember that before you made your sneery comment. Its slightly out of order to swoop in once a blue moon and make an assumption like you did. You know I'm far from a bitch and if you'd taken the time to read the whole fred you'd see how supportive I am of Frank and all other BESH.

eurozammo Fri 28-Jun-13 10:40:10

cass you were well out of order. You should apologise to bugs. You were wrong and you should say that you were. Even if you were right and she had not congratulated frank elsewhere, it's not for you to police what people post here.

I'm very annoyed that you have derailed what should be a happy day for the BESH.

Casserole Fri 28-Jun-13 10:43:12

I responded to the posts on this thread, on this thread. I was not rude to Bugs, in fact I tried to acknowledge her hurt in this.

I am extremely happy for Frankel. And I still hope very much to see the day when all BESH have their wins and this shitty time is no more.

As for "swooping in once in a blue moon", well we have always had a tradition whereby old BESH try to keep tabs and pop in from time to time. Perhaps that is not welcome anymore. That's ok. Good luck then, all.

TWinklyLittleStar Fri 28-Jun-13 10:45:59

You were rude, you stuck your oar in making incorrect assumptions about something that had fuck all to do with you. And I note you still haven't apologised.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 28-Jun-13 10:48:26

Cass as far as I'm concerned BESH PESH/ CRESH are ALWAYS welcome here. This isn't a secret members club, its a public forum. We're not a precious bunch however it is very unfair to make an assumption as you did and then attempt to justify it with a rather patronising comment and refuse to apologise for it.

I do wonder though if you're speaking for all ESH in your final comment, I doubt you are but if you wish to stay away, that's up to you but please don't speak for everyone without having the basis to do so.

evilgiraffe Fri 28-Jun-13 10:48:27

If you weren't rude, it's somewhat surprising that several people seem to think you were hmm

Northey Fri 28-Jun-13 10:53:15

I think you were rude in telling her she should have said congratulations, actually.

And the tradition was for old BESH to return to congratulate, not imply that current BESH are doing something wrong.

Threads change over time as people come and go. BESH is different now from when I used to lurk and again from when I started posting. Who cares? We keep up the traditions we want to/remember to, and discard the ones we don't. Sorry if you don't think it's what it was, but that is always going to be the result of people getting their win and moving on and new people joining. Those of us who are here now know each other and how we think and speak, here and on FB and we think bugs is just fine.

Bearfacedchic Fri 28-Jun-13 10:53:19

Err, Cass, I'm a newbie here and I think you we're rude. If bugs hadn't congratulated Frank(although she did), it's not for you to scold her. She doesn't need to be told how to behave. We're all adults here. You also don't need to play the clique card. Everyone's welcome, but just not when they make unfair and rude comments.

Bearfacedchic Fri 28-Jun-13 10:54:15


TWinklyLittleStar Fri 28-Jun-13 10:56:41

( bear I just read your username properly to myself. grin love it.)

Bearfacedchic Fri 28-Jun-13 10:59:24

(Thanks Twink! You're the first who's noticed ( who's told me anyway!) I did chuckle when I thought of it <annoying person who is amused at self>)

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 28-Jun-13 11:02:18

<attempts to read *bears MN name>

Bear faced chic I've got - is that not right?

<feels dim>

TWinklyLittleStar Fri 28-Jun-13 11:02:40

(I am feeling a username change coming on but can't think of anything suitable. My current one has sort of evolved but it's a bit twee and saccharine for my liking.)

Bearfacedchic Fri 28-Jun-13 11:06:34

Yeah, I was thinking about arses when it popped into my head bugs. grin

I like the name twinks, but I know what you mean. Sometimes you need to do the Phoenix thang.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 28-Jun-13 11:07:28

I've been thinking of a new name for a while but I've been Buggerlugs so long that I think I'd miss it iyswim.

Northey Fri 28-Jun-13 11:13:07

But it is so perfect for evolving into JojoIsMummy'sTwinklyLittleStar when the time comes smile

evilgiraffe Fri 28-Jun-13 11:14:04

I love the bear-faced chic vs bare-faced cheek thing. I liked even ^before you were a BESH shock

TWinklyLittleStar Fri 28-Jun-13 11:15:46

<vomits everywhere>

You know though, I'm so PFNeph about my sister's kids that I slightly dread what I could be like if I ever did have a win. I could see myself being That Parent blush

Bearfacedchic Fri 28-Jun-13 11:16:19

Aw shucks. Thanks draf. blush

JethroTull Fri 28-Jun-13 11:20:12

grin grin grin for Frank <am nekkid dancing in my kitchen>

It's all getting a bit heated in here. The BESH Fred always has the potential to be an emotional place. We're dealing with people's biggest hopes & fears & constant disappointment. It's hard to stay calm.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 28-Jun-13 11:20:13

I considered OhDoFarkOrf as my MN name.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 28-Jun-13 11:20:31

Or maybe OhDoBuggerOrf

eurozammo Fri 28-Jun-13 11:23:34

I like it bugs.

I am enjoying the old skool style of my current moniker.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 28-Jun-13 11:23:41

(Just to point out that I've been considering these names for a while. They are nothing to do with the events of today, which as far as I'm concerned are dealt with)

FinallyMrsFC Fri 28-Jun-13 11:30:15

Old school ESH de lurking to say so many many congratulations to Frankel! All ESH wins are such brilliant news grin

It looks like it has been getting heated in here. FWIW, if you're a lurker and not on in the FB, you go by what you see. And it did seem a bit abrupt bugs sorry.

Northey Fri 28-Jun-13 11:52:28

Yeah but, you know, unless you are an ESH who regularly dips back in and therefore knows what's what and whether or not her comment is appropriate, old ESH who are coming back just to congratulate should just congratulate and go.

Northey Fri 28-Jun-13 11:55:34

Or actually, not "congratulate and go", that's not what I meant. I mean "stick around as much as you like as long as you stick to congratulating only, until you have sussed things out as they are now"

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 28-Jun-13 11:58:27

Thanks for the feedback MrsFC. Maybe my post did seem abrupt, but seen as though I'm a long time BESH and not some instadiffer newbie, I'd hoped ESH who've known me a long time would think twice before assuming the worst about me. Clearly not.

My earlier post was my attempt to move on from this so if any other ESH wish to have a little pop, pm me instead.

TWinklyLittleStar Fri 28-Jun-13 12:04:45

<changes subject>

I am heading into That London to meet a friend for lunch. I may drink some wine, or I could forgo the wine and go for a run when I get home. Not sure.

My last couple of runs have been much better. HWCA bought me a belt with 2 small water bottles. Now I can tip some over my head to keep cool I can go quite a bit further <doesn't sweat much for a fat lass>

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 28-Jun-13 12:06:32

I miss running winks I used to go with a friend but she got an injury so stopped. I haven't been to the gym this week either or done much dog walking <lazy sod emotion>

TWinklyLittleStar Fri 28-Jun-13 12:06:58

frank do you plan to keep up running for now? Still so grin for you. Feel like you have been stabbing forEver.

Talking of stabbing, Noisy Headphones Yout' on the train is pissing me right off.

TWinklyLittleStar Fri 28-Jun-13 12:08:10

Oh bugs I am so very lazy but workplace bullying has resulted in me entering a 10k assault course race in September, sob wail, so I need to get fit.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 28-Jun-13 12:09:17

<has visions if Twinks tipping water over self Flashdance-style> wink

Right, lets set the record straight once and for all. I am in no way offended by anyone. I am grateful and humbled by all the congrats and feel thoroughly comforted by the collective BESH buzzwam.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 28-Jun-13 12:09:27

Its not Tough Mudder is it????!!!?!?!

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 28-Jun-13 12:12:20

I am going to keep running for the moment. I think as long as I don't push myself hard I'll be fine. It's all about what you feel comfortable with I guess. I ran this morning, it was supposed to be 28 mins solid but I think I only did 20 with a minutes walking break in the middle.

TWinklyLittleStar Fri 28-Jun-13 12:16:18

No bugs its Adrenaline Warrior. Similar but slightly less hardcore, allegedly. I can at least work out my long-lingering Krypton Factor/Gladiators frustration I suppose.

frank it's less Flashdance, more like an elephant spraying itself.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 28-Jun-13 12:22:35

Shame, GP is doing it Twink I envisaged at BESH meet up smile

TWinklyLittleStar Fri 28-Jun-13 12:25:25

GP is nuts. Come to London and drink cocktails instead.

HesterShaw Fri 28-Jun-13 12:32:24

This is Frank's day.
And Bugger has congratulated her aplenty smile

TWinklyLittleStar Fri 28-Jun-13 12:36:31

hest you should come to London and drink cocktails too. Everyone should. frank you can have ironic virgin cocktails.

HesterShaw Fri 28-Jun-13 12:43:39

And if people are counting congratulations, then perhaps I should add mine here to "prove" I'm pleased for Frank.

Congrats my love. I'm made up for you xxx

FizzyFeet Fri 28-Jun-13 12:44:32

HURRAH!!!! Massive congratulations, frank! That's awesome, brilliant news.

<attempts to nipple tassel whilst at work>
<fails a bit but doesn't care>

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 28-Jun-13 12:45:27

London - Tick
Cocktails - Tick


HesterShaw Fri 28-Jun-13 12:51:02

In the winter? I'll come.

Bearfacedchic Fri 28-Jun-13 13:01:06

Love the names Bugs. I quite like WuthaFook. Maybe next time.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 28-Jun-13 13:05:10

OhDobuggerorf is already taken.

I want to keep Bugger in it somehow.


OhBuggerMe Fri 28-Jun-13 13:07:08


JethroTull Fri 28-Jun-13 13:08:12


JethroTull Fri 28-Jun-13 13:08:43

Ah xpost. Good name change!

eurozammo Fri 28-Jun-13 13:09:34

Like it. It might explain why you have been ttcing for so long tho...

OhBuggerMe Fri 28-Jun-13 13:11:19

So that's where we've been going wrong grin


FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 28-Jun-13 13:11:45

Liking the name change Bugs grin

Northey Fri 28-Jun-13 13:15:55

Nice name smile

I would like to meet more BESH.

DolomitesDonkey Fri 28-Jun-13 13:26:09

<canters in and tosses mane>

Frankel I'm absolutely delighted for you however am slightly peturbed by the timing of conception and feel it's only fair I tell you NOW that you are carrying the reincarnation of Henry Cecil! Good lineage? wink

<piaffes off>

eurozammo Fri 28-Jun-13 13:32:03

And hang on. Was the foal conceived during Ascot?

TWinklyLittleStar Fri 28-Jun-13 13:32:42

I can see BabyFrank getting named Henry or Henrietta.

Northey Fri 28-Jun-13 13:45:20

More to the point, was frank still wearing her hat?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 28-Jun-13 13:45:50

Dolomite you are right, the thought had occurred to me. Frank <snigger> was indeed conceived the day Sir Henry died. That's the future career sorted - racehorse trainer grin

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 28-Jun-13 16:31:07

On that note, I was born the day Bob Marley died and my little brother believed my dad when he told him I was Bob Marley reincarnated grin - he was only 5 at the time!

OhBuggerMe Fri 28-Jun-13 16:47:51

I've finally joined the future and downloaded the mn app. Yey!!! smile

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Fri 28-Jun-13 17:29:15

<ignores the stress on here today, having just come from root canal part 2>

Have some twirling tassles on my glorious buzzwams to celebrate your win frank. I am delighted for you. And disturbed by the reincarnation feme....

Like your new name bugs.

I am feeling sorry for my self but less suicidal since I stopped taking the pill. Silver linings and all that.

TWinklyLittleStar Fri 28-Jun-13 17:37:25

I think that's good driz?

bugs I like the new name.

CaptainMoll Fri 28-Jun-13 18:05:46

I remember as a young teen being genuinely dismayed when I found out John Lennon had died two weeks after I was born, and therefore I couldn't possibly be his reincarnation. I was a weird kid.

RaspberrySnowCone Fri 28-Jun-13 18:28:06

Well, what a day. Bugs you was not rude, we who know each other round these parts know each other and anyone else can fuck off. You don't need to defend yourself against smarmy head up arse comments so don't.

How's the rooted canal doing Draf? I've never had one but am terrified at the thought of ever needing one.

I'm not a runner, I wish I was but I'm just slow and ploddy

I'm having a chilled weekend, might have a workout but generally I'm going to just sleep lots and bum around, this last week has been knackering and stressful and I just need some sleep.

RaspberrySnowCone Fri 28-Jun-13 18:29:19

OMG just realised I didn't formally congratulate Frank! Congratulations my love. I couldn't be happier smile <<<<cowers for fear of retribution for forgetting>>>> you still fartin like a guddun?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 28-Jun-13 19:36:22

I am indeed Rasp, though I now seem to be on quality rather than quantity wink <overshares>

I'm currently at the races as I'm on duty for work and I'm starving! I've just got to deal with one more race at 8.05 then I can head home. We're having lunch with HWHNN's dad, step-mum, brother and brother's girlfriend tomorrow so I shall have to try not to grin like a loon when they ask us if we have any news!

HadALittleFaithBaby Fri 28-Jun-13 19:48:50

Formally on MN - Frank I'm bloody delighted for you! grin

(o🎉) (o🎉) that's my exploding nipple tassels! grin

RaspberrySnowCone Fri 28-Jun-13 19:51:39

Oofff how exciting. Do you think they will guess?

I'm having a mini dilemma. We've been pretty open with people about impending IVF and it maybe that everyone is just being super supportive because we've had our first tests this week but all I feel like I've talked about all week is IVf. I feel like IVF woman. Anyone have any tactful ways to let people know ill tell them rather than them ask? Or should I just change the subject. To be honest over the next few months I think I'd like to become a recluse.

Bearfacedchic Fri 28-Jun-13 19:54:47

That's so lovely Frank - do you think you'll tell them or will you hold off for a bit?

Hope the root canal wasn't as painful as it sounds Drizz.

Hope you have a good weekend Rasp. I don't know which way to trun for TV this weekend - Glasto, Wimbles and isn't the Tour starting too? <rubs hands in glee>

I went shopping today to try and do something productive rather than just squelch around at home in my own snot. Found that many trews would not fit over my calves -- amazed at own ability to build muscle without burning ANY fat-- probably have too much testosterone Did buy some lovely tangerine nail varnish though <admires>

Also, opened my curtains this morning to be confronted by instadiffer couple across the road taking their baby for its first walk. This did not put me in a Fun Mood.

Oh yeah, and resurrecting recycling the German words conversation, I forgot that I really like strumpfhosen (pantyhose or tights, to you and I). I am continually in search of the glucklichhosen (happy trousers). <wanders off rambling to self>

Bearfacedchic Fri 28-Jun-13 19:58:31

I have no experience of this whatsoever Rasp, but just a suggestion, if people ask, could you say something to the effect of: 'Everything's under control and I'll let you know if and when there are any developments'?

CaptainMoll Fri 28-Jun-13 19:58:41

Rasps I generally make it sound really boring so they don't think there's any more to talk about. Along the lines of: "How's everything with.. you know?" "Oh, nothing happening, just waiting to see doctors, more waiting lists, waiting waiting blah blah.." then change subject very quickly.

It's a little evasive, but seems to work.

Bearfacedchic Fri 28-Jun-13 20:00:04

Just read it back and it sounds a bit like business-speak. hmm You could personalise humanise it of course.

Bearfacedchic Fri 28-Jun-13 20:01:42

I meant my suggestion was business-like, not Moll's obvs.

eurozammo Fri 28-Jun-13 20:09:53

I'm enjoying your ramble, bear. smile

drizz i'm glad you survived the face drilling. Is that all over now?

So trumping is definitely a thing. That's decided.

rasp I don't really mind being IVF woman. I think it's nice that people are interested. But I agree that it does get too much sometimes, in which case an "Oh, that's going fine, tell me about your job/health/new man/family drama" works really quite well.

Northey Fri 28-Jun-13 20:13:24

<regards own farts with new interest>

RaspberrySnowCone Fri 28-Jun-13 20:14:14

Oh no I don't mind don't get me wrong, every one is asking because they care and have everything crossed for us but sometimes its the only topic of conversation and I feel like there is more to me than IVF. I'm probably being over sensitive. I actually suspect people might get bored of asking after a couple of weeks as noone really quite gets how long this process is! Even my boss asked whether my migraine yesterday was due to the drugs.....I'm still about 6 weeks away from that yet. :/

RaspberrySnowCone Fri 28-Jun-13 20:15:20

Oh and btw, I bet I can out do any of you lot on the fart front, and I'm not even diffed!

TWinklyLittleStar Fri 28-Jun-13 20:35:06

This week I have been farty, queasy and my nipples have been too sore to touch during SFF. It means precisely fuck all, sadly.

eurozammo Fri 28-Jun-13 20:35:24

I have to say, during the process, I really enjoyed the support (although it was a bit thin this time round when I could have done with it), so I'm glad I told people. The only time I was uncomfortable about that was when it actually worked and everyone was asking about it - it meant I had to either outright lie (and be found out in a few weeks) or tell people when I could hardly take it in myself.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 28-Jun-13 20:49:46

I find the breezy "oh it's all fine, y'know:appointments and tests and stuff" approach puts people off enough.

We're definitely not telling anyone yet - not even my BFF knows yet. We've agreed to hold off on parents/siblings/work etc until we get a scan under our belts. It's still very early days.

Truffkin Fri 28-Jun-13 21:09:07

Apologies for tardy entrance, have only just managed to get in here but I am soooooo ridiculously pleased for you Frank. Many, many congratulations and wishing you a boring and uneventful pregnancy :-)

OhBuggerMe Sat 29-Jun-13 12:43:09

Its awfully quiet in here today.
frank how are u feeling?

eurozammo Sat 29-Jun-13 13:39:02

Checking in.

KFZK is off shooting stuff. I didn't book this one as I wasn't quite sure where the IVF would fall, so I am having a lovely day to myself. Just seen bestie and her brood, and been to our local farmers' market to buy Nice Overpriced Things. Popping down to see the Rents shortly. When I get back, I might make meringues.

TWinklyLittleStar Sat 29-Jun-13 14:14:23


I am a bit sleepy today and am babysitting later, so am just sitting watching tv listening to HWCA swear profusely as he attempts to remove the old grouting from the bathroom.

I was going to buy cake but am now wondering if I should bake instead.

OhBuggerMe Sat 29-Jun-13 14:18:09

Euro I've had a nosey on the egg buddies Fred and I'm slightly in love with juicysauage! Also what is a PUPO pliz ?

JethroTull Sat 29-Jun-13 14:21:05

Bugs PUPO is Pregnant Until Proven Otherwise.

eurozammo Sat 29-Jun-13 14:21:30

She is a character!

PUPO=pregnant until proved otherwise smile

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sat 29-Jun-13 14:28:46

Afternoon hags! Yes, this is the end of face drilling, at least until 2014... As it was quite A Large Operation, there might be some additional work next spring. After the dentist comes back from maternity leave hmm. It was less hellish than last time, still sensitive now, but I know it will go (at least I tell myself that). It didn't stop us from some SFF this morning, after I baked scones and brought them to bed. I am turning back into myself smile I even repotted my tomatoes and replaced the dead plants on the balcony.

Bake twinks, it is so satisfying smile and sugar no longer hurts... (It stopped doing that after face drilling part 1, but the gratitude is still there).

I like the thought of frank's enormous grin at the news questions.

Rasp I was really, really open with everyone about our traject, in teh beginning and felt a little too defined by ART-chat. So I explained to people that I know and feel there support without it being all about the (lack of) baybee. I insisted on a don't-ask-I'll-tell rule, which is working pretty good. The upshot of it all is that hardly anyone knows about the ivf this month, which I prefer, although not being able to moan about the terrible side effects has been challenging.

<admires the exploding tassles, how things with you and faithlet?>

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sat 29-Jun-13 14:29:56

Loads of cross-posting, I am slow, waves at the buggerer and the others!

OhBuggerMe Sat 29-Jun-13 14:40:47

Thanks for the explanation laydees.

I'll probably be joining that fred in a couple of.months as its the all important hossie appt on Tuesday and what should have been our baybees first birthday. sad

TWinklyLittleStar Sat 29-Jun-13 15:43:54

Oh bugs, as if the appointment wouldn't be hard enough sad Good luck for Tuesday.

Cake is baked and cooling in the oven. Doesn't seem to have risen very well. Also how the fuck did I end up on the Mamas and Papas postal mailing list? Not impressed.

HadALittleFaithBaby Sat 29-Jun-13 16:03:08

I prefer pregnant unless proven otherwise. 'Until' suggests it will happen at some point. Unless sounds less likely...

Faithlet is grand ta drizz. 11 weeks on Sunday, gaining weight well - she was 10lb 1oz on Monday. We're down in Devon visiting MSB's family again. It's lovely and sunny and nice for MSB to get time with her - she's often grumpy when he gets in from work despite being smiley in the day! So all in all, can't complain! smile

OhBuggerMe Sat 29-Jun-13 16:25:24

I'm actually glad of the appointment. Just hoping he Will refer us to the specialist miscarriage clinic at Liverpool. GP wants to hold off on the IVF referral until we've had more tests etc. I'm ok with that I think.

Bearfacedchic Sat 29-Jun-13 17:44:09

I know what you mean about kind of looking forward to an appointment as in my book that should mean action or information or at least something a bit more concrete than me just speculating and googling. I can't wait til our appointment in July. It feels like we've been waiting forever but it's only been 4 months I think.

Speaking of which, I think I may have self-diagnosed with PCOS. Although I have regular cycles, I think I have amenorrhea as my periods last on average about 11 days and I seem to lose a lot of blood. Okay grimness alert. I also get a fair amount of navel hair that I have to get rid of (I've had this since puberty) and in recent years I've started getting some dark hairs on my neck, under my chin and in between my boobs which are also swiftly plucked - not loads but enough to notice if I left them. Otherwise I have fair soft downy hair on the rest of my body.

Finally, I have never been able to lose weight. I've been 1-2 stone overweight since puberty despite running half marathons and doing hardcore exercise 5-6 times a week and eating a fairly healthy balanced diet. I can 'grow' muscle really easily though beneath my fat. hmm

I've done some research online and think I might have a mild case of it, but might have it nonetheless. When I went to the doctors about my 11 day periods she literally shrugged her shoulders at me and said it could be anything hmm

So, I'm wondering does any if this sound familiar to you more experienced folks? Am I being a hypochondriac? Also, do you think I should wait until I go to the referral to bring it up or do I go to the GP with it before then? I know it can only properly be diagnosed with scans and blood tests though. Any suggestions or advice would be much appreciated.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sat 29-Jun-13 18:08:24

Hello all, back from birthday lunch. The question didn't arise so I didn't have to try my poker face out. HWHNN and I chatted on the way down about the next steps, I brought a book down with me so he could read the chapter on the first few weeks (do's and don'ts, etc). It was sweet to realise how much he didn't know/understand wink

Bear, my PCOS is what is referred to as "skinny" PCOS. I'm not overweight, but I do get some excess hair, very irregular periods, spots, etc. "skinny" PCOS means you are more prone to over-stimulating when on drucks.

I'm feeling good. Felt a bit off first thing and only managed to eat half a bowl of cereal for breakfast. Not sure if it is a symptom, or me just feeling a bit generally under the weather.

TWinklyLittleStar Sat 29-Jun-13 18:12:39

My cycles are reasonably regular (28 - 35 days) and I have PCOS. You sound a lot like me in terms of the hair and the fat and and the muscle. Have you had any tests done at all? Mine was obvious from the day 2 bloods which is one of the very basic tests, and the dildocam confirmed it.

driz my cake tasted bloody awesome and HWCA was very happy so thanks.

I agree appointments feel like things are moving forward, although they are sad too because we all want our moment of pure lurve (boak). Right now I want my period so I can book the bloody hsg and get it over with.

Bearfacedchic Sat 29-Jun-13 18:27:28

Oh I'm defo not 'skinny' Frank but interesting that you don't have to be obese to have it. Thanks for the info. Hope you feel better soon. Aww at HWHNN. smile

Interesting Twink . . . No, nothing seemed to come up on my blood test but I didn't ov the first test they did, but seemed to on the second one.

Bearfacedchic Sat 29-Jun-13 18:28:19

Oh yes and grrrr at the off on my jols period Twink.

Bearfacedchic Sat 29-Jun-13 18:29:06

Oh I totally forgot to say, great new name Bugs.

Bearfacedchic Sat 29-Jun-13 18:32:15

Btw I understand that it's just referred to as so-called 'skinny PCOS' Frank, not that you necessarily have to be skinny to have it. Ugh, getting myself all in a muddle with expression tonight. Must be the wine

RaspberrySnowCone Sat 29-Jun-13 18:36:59

I'm being taken very seriously by some over there aren't I Euro!!?

eurozammo Sat 29-Jun-13 18:40:57

I'm similar to twink, bear. I was diagnosed as a teenager on the basis of a small patch of facial hair that triggered investigations. However on all my monitored cycles I have oved and about 2 years ago, a consultant described my ovaries as "multicycstic" now they are completely normal. I seem to have grown out of it.

I've never been overweight, btw. In fact, until a couple of years ago I was towards the lower end of normal BMI. Married life has fattened me up a bit. smile

The key diagnostic blood test is the day 2/3 one - you need to compare LH and FSH at that point. And then see whether you actually ov via scans/day 21 test.

eurozammo Sat 29-Jun-13 19:15:45

rasp I'm confused (not unusual).

RaspberrySnowCone Sat 29-Jun-13 19:18:42

The thread I started in chat, the one lady seems to be taking it a bit seriously! I'm sure whenever anyone suggests that their other half does anything less than worships them constantly or raises there voice they must be a wife beating satan creature :/

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sat 29-Jun-13 19:57:12

Yay for the awesomeness of cake and The Man appreciation, twink. I fancy cake now. But SB is on desert - which are strawberries - duty. Oh, and I want my period too. Before half 11 tomorrow (so I can have my scan on Monday instead of missing my first meeting of the day on Tuesday).

Hurrah for the growing and smiling faithlet and for spending time in the sun with all three of you.

I know nothing about PCOS bear, so follow the other hags' advice. I do know that a bit of excess hair can also be indicative of nothing at all wink.

Am still really pleased about your win frank. Did you seem to have a dodgy LP or am I confusing you with another stabby PCOS-er in my acquaintance? In any case hurrah, also for random food. And for enlightening the Man on The World of Early Pregnancy.

eurozammo Sat 29-Jun-13 20:22:02

OIC, fanks.

I'm glad the faithlet is growing well. She's a cutie. smile

I think I might have made some headway with my mum. She said something about not realising that I was going through IVF. I said I didn't think she agreed with it so hadn't mentioned, and she sort of looked embarrassed and said it wasn't up to her. I took the opportunity to explain the process to her and told her all about natural IVF. She seemed more at ease and said one thing that had been worrying her was me having to pump myself full of drugs, so I told we had started down that route, it had gone badly, so we were going for the old fashioned no drug kind, and she seemed reassured.

I have meringues in the oven. I'm not sure they will be a huge success though. I think I might have overwhipped them. Never mind - it was the first attempt of the year and I am sure they will get eaten.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sat 29-Jun-13 20:22:07

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sat 29-Jun-13 20:22:46

Please disregard last post wink

OhBuggerMe Sat 29-Jun-13 20:28:41

Meringues. euro... did you put brown sugar in to make them sticky in the middle?? What Will you serve them with?

I have been off work since wed and eaten sooooo much. Doing a roast dinner tomorrow too. Back on the wagon of health & exercise from Monday though!

eurozammo Sat 29-Jun-13 20:30:20

I use golden caster sugar, bugs. That usually turns them a lovely colour, and they come out nice and chewy. We have some strawbs in the fridge. Yummerz.

OhBuggerMe Sat 29-Jun-13 20:52:13

I'll be round in 10!! Yummerz indeedy.

Bearfacedchic Sat 29-Jun-13 21:42:23

Didn't see it anyway Frank. wink

Meringues sound yum. I just made a gorge beef Rendsng curry. Explained to GS about possible PCOS and he was totally unphased which makes me feel happy, although I know it isn't to be taken lightly.

Thanks for the advice f

Bearfacedchic Sat 29-Jun-13 21:46:43

Gah stoopid thumbs! Thanks for the advice. It's good in a way to know there are possibly others like me, but as you said drizz, it might be nothing. GS thinks we should edit until referral anyway as I've had such an underwhelming response from GP.

Glad you're finding a way to talk to Euromum, Euro. It helps when parents are understanding at least a little bit. It's good she's concerned for your well being.

Bearfacedchic Sat 29-Jun-13 21:47:34

*wait , not edit. Man, too much wine.

eurozammo Sat 29-Jun-13 23:23:33

Thanks bear. This is the first time she hasn't changed the subject immediately when I broached the subject. It was making me really sad, as we've always been close. It's progress.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sun 30-Jun-13 08:58:21

Morning hags!

Hurrah for progress with the euro-mum. It would be great to have her support, and worrying about you and drucks clearly is not an unreasonable reaction, changing the subject when you broach it is.

I am up and have been awake for ages because SB set the alarm clock for hideously early o'clock, because he decided he needed to play squash, about now, on a Sunday, weird man...

Hurrah for fat fingers from too much drink bear. And in my experience GPs don't know anything my GP suggested I should just get diffed when I asked for a counselling referral because of fertility issues, well thanks, that was helpfu; in his defence he was good with the MC

What shall I do this Sunday morning? Wake up a friend and force them to have coffee (even though I am dosed up on paracetamol already as the headaches are still here).

eurozammo Sun 30-Jun-13 09:03:03

Does anyone else have a bunch of adverts for plumbing services showing up there ^?

Do you think there is a group of men waiting in the wings with their big tools to assist us? One in particular is advertising a "friendly" service. What do you think they are trying to say?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sun 30-Jun-13 09:20:18

I've got them too euro grin

eurozammo Sun 30-Jun-13 09:22:09


How are you feeling? Is it sinking in yet?

RaspberrySnowCone Sun 30-Jun-13 09:36:07

I have an advert for Abudhabi :/

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sun 30-Jun-13 09:36:14

<looks everywhere, jealously>

No offers for tools and friendly service here. I am perturbed or have better add-blockers.

Are you feeling sick yet, frank? Or at least diffed?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sun 30-Jun-13 09:36:20

Feeling a bit ropey this morning, but not sure if it is related to being pregnant (can't get used to saying that!). I think it's sinking in but I'm not sure I will believe it until someone else confirms it.

I've picked up the number of the local midwife team so I will call them next week to make a booking in appointment, apparently the local GP surgeries don't have anything to do with pregnancy services any more.

RaspberrySnowCone Sun 30-Jun-13 09:44:49

How exciting Frank! How's the other half taking it now? Still acting cool as a cucumber? Was it today you are seeing family?