The Elderberry Gluckschmerzers who sausage wang between the Sofa of Pity and the Pouffe of Possibility  (thread 11) 

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Bunnygirlie Tue 18-Jun-13 08:30:55

Come and join us elderly TTCers on the Sofa of Pity (SoP), Rug of Rage (RoR), the Pouffe of Possibility (PoP) or the Chaise Lounge of Limbo (CLoL) whilst trying to avoid the BubbleBath of Gloom(BoG)!
The smallprint - Berries have a strict entrance criteria (TTC #1, over 30, TTC for 3+months, NO instadiffers, must have a special pot) and def no mention of baby dust or baby dancing UGH !!! Ooh we are strict...please note your house may be at risk if you do not keep up repayments lol

Bunnygirlie Tue 18-Jun-13 08:32:05

Barkingtreefrog - 34, cycle 20. Had HSG, next stop dildocam and FC appointment on 19th June.
Bunny - 33, cycle 14, CD1, hoping to be referred to FC this month,
Thunder - 34, cycle 14,mmc nov 2012, BFP due 15th July
Kuma - 38, cycle 6,
Tallyra - 33, ttc since 2009, 3mmc with hg, waiting for yucky internal scan to check there's no scars in there before going for it once again.
Happylass - 35, cycle 11. AF due June 30th. Been referred on by GP, waiting for 1st appointment at hospital.
Blindkitty - 33, cycle 24,tried clomid, had blood tests, had Hsg, dh had sa, waiting for iui to start aug/sept
Gillster - 39, cycle 16, HSG has revealed an endometrial polyp. Have appointment with 2nd consultant on 2 July.
boom, 31, month 13, mc last aug, hycosy today eeep. Then waiting for Gynae clinic appt on 1 July when they WILL tell me I've got pcos or else
Foodylicious - 33, ttc since nov 2011, 1mc May 2013. ttc again in couple months/after hols in Oz. 
Sidney - , 38, TTC since Jul 2012. BFP due 1 July. No known issues apart from impatience.
Aquarius - 32, ttc 14/15mths, no hint if bfp yet, suspected endo, previous depo user, hoping for dog if not baby

Sorry if I've missed you

Fantastic thread bunny! Not sure if I should be climbing aboard now or waiting but here I am.

I have brought the PoP and a bag of yellow bricks.

MrsB00Mbastic Tue 18-Jun-13 10:50:28

<falls off sausage shuttle clutching the RoR> woot I caught the shuttle!

<looks around approvingly>

Nice new thread bunny, I like what you've done with the place!

Brodicea Tue 18-Jun-13 10:59:08

Hello again all (I pop in and out!) - when you say special pot, do you mean a special pot to piss in for cheap OPKs and fruitless pregnancy test BFPs?
If so I fit the criteria!
Brodicea - 32 ttc since September 2012, no tests done yet but a history of shonky reproductive health.

BlindKitty Tue 18-Jun-13 13:48:43

That's right brodi, although I just use disposable cups! Well hello to our newest member!

bunny good job!

As if I need encouragement with poas! Bought 25 hpts a while back for £3.50. Got an email saying the company would like to send me another 10 for giving feedback!!!

Gillster Tue 18-Jun-13 14:49:10

Nice new thread Bunnie, FX for a lucky one. Had an enormous Cornish cream tea about 2 and a half hours ago and still feel pretty full/sick. It was pretty awesome though. How was dildocam Barking?

MrsB00Mbastic Tue 18-Jun-13 15:13:57

Hycosy all done. Took her hours of faffing about with three different speculums to find my cervix - if she can't find it how will those poor sperm ever manage?! First comment 'oh, polycystic ovaries'! Tubes both fine though, goody grin. Just got to wait to see consultant now then hopefully sweeties and resultant bfp!! Fingers crossed!

How did your dildocam/consultant appt go barking?

Hello again brodicea! Nice to have you back with us!

happylass Tue 18-Jun-13 17:37:29

Evening all. Just marking my spot on lovely new thread - thanks Bunny
Glad to hear your getting some answers Boom. Hope Barking's appt went well too. Just been out for early dinner with he girls from work. Off for a much needed power hour then I'll need to hit the gym after the amount I've just eaten.

BlindKitty Tue 18-Jun-13 17:57:03

boom at least you've got a diagnosis now so you've so something to work on.

Tmi but dying for a wee but banished from upstairs as dh on a phone interview! Can you believe this is his 5th interview for the same job!!! 6 if you include one where they aborted mission as the video-conferencing didn't work!

BlindKitty Tue 18-Jun-13 17:59:31

<tapping feet, waiting impatiently for barking to fill us in> whilst legs crossed as still need a wee

<kicks open the door, stomps through with nose in air and kicks it shut behind her. Stands with hands on hips until someone notices she is making a point >

Ok, so I read Bunny's instructions:
When this thread is full please form an orderly queue and board the shuttle.

So I did as I was told and carried on posting on the old thread. Only you lot had thrown the instructions out the window and waltzed over to this thread without me!! shock Leaving me there talking to myself again!!

Well just to serve you all right I'll copy my posts into here so you have to stumble over it all anyway <humph>.

Bunny I'm the same as boom I count the first sign of anything. I am sometimes ridiculously light all the way though so I could otherwise be recording 5 days of spotting, perhaps one day of nothing in the middle of it, and never AF, so I'd never start a new cycle!!

This cycle I am ignoring everything. I am not temping or pimping as I have no idea whether we'll be dtd again by shag week, the vit b6 appears to be having no effect all on my LP so that's still too short for anything to implant, and if I do get clomid tomorrow it'll be the evening of CD3 and probably too late to start taking it. So that's me out before I've started. How depressing.

Boom how was the hsg?

Gill thanks for the reassurance re my appointment tomorrow and sorry AF got you too sad .

And yes, I know Boom has already answered my question but I didn't know that as I was in the other thread all by myself and no-one was talking to me as you'd all left me. <flings herself dramatically on the sofa of pity and looks round to see if anyone is actually even there>

happy boom and kitty I'll update tomorrow when I've had the appointments!!!

Tallyra Tue 18-Jun-13 18:15:10

Hellooo. I'm here, I found the shuttle just before it left.
Just marking my place, back soon.

MrsB00Mbastic Tue 18-Jun-13 18:22:54

Bwahaha sorry barking didn't mean to switch the lights off on you! Here, have some of my cake, I'm rewarding myself for putting up with an hour of fanny furtling today, you're allowed some since you've got to have it tomorrow - jumped the gun a bit there, thought it was today!

kitty technically I don't have a diagnosis yet as doctors have to confirm it, but if they don't agree with me this time there will be hell to pay so I'm going to assume I'm getting diagnosed come July! GIMME SWEETIES!

Have you managed to have a wee yet? If not does it help at all if I mention running taps, waterfalls and fountains? <evil laugh>

Hi tally!

Cake? Oo, Ta very much Boom you're forgiven grin .

<returns to indignant pose in case anyone else feels the need to offer cake hmm >

IamKuma Tue 18-Jun-13 19:03:28

Evening Berries! Good to see a new thread with added Gluckschemtz grin

No relevant news today so going off slightly topic; I've had a really annoying day at work but currently resigning myself that I probably need to stay. It's no doubt been a topic on here before; I wanted to leave last year, but decided to stay on as we were going to buy a house and TTC; but 6 months down the line, no maternity leave required and same old sh*t at work. Anybody else in this limbo or have any of you decided to move jobs anyway?

boom glad you survived and had no negative reactions, FX for some helpful feedback from your GP.

Tallyra Tue 18-Jun-13 19:49:55

yes kuma I am in the same situation. work is crap and getting crappier, and I'm on pretty much minimum wage, but the thought that I will be able to get maternity pay (and sick pay as I'll almost definitely be hospitalised with hg for much of my preg) keeps me going for the moment. the people I work with are lovely but management is ridiculous and my job is being changed out of recognition right under my nose. plus, I'm worth more than this but can't work out how to improve things.

By the way, the literal translation of Gluckschmertz is luck pain... I love the German straightforwardness.

BlindKitty Tue 18-Jun-13 19:50:42

New people are just going to think we're mental you know, with the lingo and bizarre stories hmm

I don't actually know where 'the elderberry pavlovas' came from! Does anyone else? Or have the people who first made it up all graduated?

MrsB00Mbastic Tue 18-Jun-13 20:03:21

I presume 'elderberries' comes from all of us being golden oldies! But no idea about the pavlovas....anyone?

Off for an evening stroll in the sunshine with BoomDog. Think I got off very lightly with the hycosy, was expecting cramping and bleeding but actually I've had nothing and feel fine not that it's stopped me from pretending to be poorly and demanding that DH cooks dinner bwahaha

Bunnygirlie Tue 18-Jun-13 20:05:21

<throws open door> 

EVENING berries!!!!!!! Sorry I'm late, had to catch a later shuttle, I did bring macaroons though grin Hope you like the new decor!

Bad berries not following the rules and filling up the old thread first, hands out so I can slap your knuckles with a string of sausageswink

Hey brodi welcome back!

Ooh boom glad it went well today, and fanny furtling has to be one of the funniest phrases ever <guffaws>

Nowt new here today, CD1 or 2 I guess! DH will be pot jizzing tomorrow!

Bunnygirlie Tue 18-Jun-13 20:12:38

And elderberry pavlova comes from the term elderly primigravida which is a term for older mums, somebody thought it sounded like a pudding and the elderberries were born smile

SidneyBristow Tue 18-Jun-13 20:17:54

<moseys into the thread quietly, hoping barking doesn't throw something at her>

Hi berries, another day bites the dust eh? Boom great news on your exam, hours of vag investigations (invagigations?) sounds like an awesome way to spend an afternoon wink one step closer to an answer to your TTC woes! So happy for you.

Bunny I think there's some super techie formula to use on how to decide if Day 1 is actually Day 1...something about whether it starts in am or pm, the color of the discharge, etc. - I think I read it in the CBFM instructions manual? I'll check for you once I get up from the SoP

Kuma and Tally sorry about your job woes, here have a brew

Today has been shit for me; not even worth going into as it's all part & parcel of step family stuff and isn't likely to change. But what's just made me cry is an unexpected FB announcement. Remember me mentioning a cousin's loon of a wife, who claims to have gotten pg from 1x of DTD, the day her period ended? She's having a girl sad I thought I'd hidden her announcements so it took me completely off guard. It's shit to feel envious of the existence of children; I hate that about myself but I can't seem to make it stop.

In less pity-party news, FF has said I ovulated. Sorry for posting an incomplete chart, it was a newbie mistake! wink I'll do better next time, Miss please God let there not be a need for a next time, although FF is strangely addictive especially reading through the charts with pretty colors all in the OCD symptom section

BlindKitty Tue 18-Jun-13 20:46:14

boom tbf I think I milked the sympathy from dh post Hsg! You keep your feet up!

bunny omg I'm MASSIVELY impressed with your mn knowledge! Seeing as you know everything, where did the term 'instadiffer' come from?

sid ff is soooo addictive! I always thought charting was for those really obsessed people because I'm really not one of those people

Tallyra Tue 18-Jun-13 20:49:48

by the way, I have just found monty python and the holy grail on Netflix.... Yay!

Tallyra Tue 18-Jun-13 20:52:20

and I count the first day of any discharge as cd1, which usually hands around for about 4 days then turns into annoying yucky shooting for another 1-2.

Tallyra Tue 18-Jun-13 20:52:53

* spotting *, stupid tablet....

Bunnygirlie Tue 18-Jun-13 21:06:30

Ah kitty I wish I wasn't so wise, it's just what comes with being on all 11 threads and being one of the three original berries still standing (*happy and pip* aren't you the other two?)

I believe instadiffer comes from those annoying ladies who get instantly up the duff duffed which somehow became diffed ?!? I think!

BlindKitty Tue 18-Jun-13 21:27:44

Never got into monty python. It's all about breaking bad for me (now that we've watched all of game if thrones sad. Although I actually had a dream that I was a meth cook the other day so maybe I'm watching too much of it!

BlindKitty Tue 18-Jun-13 21:36:08

Oh my word, 11 threads? You are a busy bunny! Apart from the brooking thread I generally get too annoyed with the 'I had sex in the wrong hole, am I pregnant' -type posts. Might give a couple of the other big threads a go at some point tho, kinda feels like I'm cheating on the berries though haha!!!

Bunnygirlie Tue 18-Jun-13 21:50:53

Oh they were all Berry threads kitty I just meant I've been here since the start sad

I know what you mean about cheating on the berries, it just feels wrong!

happylass Tue 18-Jun-13 22:37:47

Yep have indeed been on all 11 threads too Bunny. Depressingly one for each cycle I've been TTC sad. The rules must have been pretty lax at the start though as I joined the thread as soon as I started TTC and pretty sure some of the original Berries were instadiffers!

Tallyra Tue 18-Jun-13 23:08:30

did I eat tell you kitty that I spent a great living in halls with the girl who played Rod? her name really is Esme Bianco, it's not a stage name grin

Tallyra Tue 18-Jun-13 23:09:20

Grr. ever tell you, a year, Ros... puzzle that one out....blush

Gillster Wed 19-Jun-13 07:39:44

Tally what's Hg? I've seen you refer to it a few times but not come across it before.

PuppyMummy Wed 19-Jun-13 08:17:01

bunny to make u feel better, I was an original berry but was on here before that. I joined ur thread cos most ppl on the ttc#1 thread I was on were pregnant!!!

Im expecting af any day now! So ill be here a while longer!

Bunnygirlie Wed 19-Jun-13 08:26:36

Oops sorry puppy didn't mean to forget you!

Depressing indeed happy !

FX DHs third jizz test today actually tells us something (good or bad)!

berries urgent advice needed. A baby shower is being organised for pg colleague before she leaves for maternity. I'm dithering. I want to be sociable but I don't know how I'll cope with her squealing over all the baby gifts and listening to all the baby talk. Do I make up an excuse and not go? Or suck it up and go along to be sociable? It's a small school so not like she's a colleague in another department or anything, I'd usually be there if it was any other social event.Need to reply to say yes or no by end of school today (I've been putting it off).

Hi all,


Oops! barking, you have something else on that day. So sadly you can't make it. It's not nasty, it's just self preservation.

Good luck for jizz test mr bunny

tally shooting af out definitely does sound yucky!

Sorry to all those who have been here so long. I was on mn then too- on the ttc#1 thread but didn't materialise with the lovely berries til decemberish

SidneyBristow Wed 19-Jun-13 16:21:56

barking if it were me, I couldn't face it. I'd just send a nice card/chip in on the group gift and say I was so sorry I couldn't get out of the xxx standing appointment that conflicted.

Bunny How'd the jizz test go? 3rd time's the charm!

Tallyra Wed 19-Jun-13 17:17:17

ditto on the baby shower. I've only been to 1 and even ignoring the fact it was so hard for me, it wasn't my cuppa. silly games like eating chocolate out of a nappy and wearing dummies round our necks. if it wasn't ny sil I'd have declined.

the hg is hyperemesis gravidarum. translated means hyper sickness in pregnancy. it's like morning sickness x 1000. It starts at 6 weeks and by 7 I'm dehydrated enough to need a drip for 2 days min. it's easier to cope with if you know it's coming and start the meds early but the first time I was in for about 2 weeks before I even reached 9 weeks.
Don't ever mention ginger to someone with hg by the way, unless you want them to throw up on your shoes out of frustration wink

I got sweeties grin
Didn't like the consultant.
- there's no such thing as a problem with your luteal phase. If you're ovulating regularly your luteal phase is fine. Years ago there was a problem, not now. Eh? How can something be a problem and then not be a problem?
- there's no pointing doing your bbt, it doesn't tell you anything.
- on the clomid you need to have sex between cd11and cd17, that's all you need to know. There's no point doing any tests.
- you do realise it can take 2 years for a normal couple to get pregnant?
- with unexplained infertility like yours there's not much success rate with clomid but you have to try it to be referred to the assisted conception unit.

Anyway, I have sweeties, and he said he will refer us in 6 months if we're not pregnant, so I got what I wanted/ expected.

As I only started AF Monday evening, with spotting, I could technically start it today as cd2 but DP still has stitches in his willy so not sure if we'll be doing anything useful by shag week...

Tallyra Wed 19-Jun-13 18:13:22

I'd save your sweeties until dp is better - no point if he can't dtd yet. and boo to the silly consultant. of course it helps to understand your body. stupid doctor but at least he gave you what you wanted grin

BlindKitty Wed 19-Jun-13 18:52:51

bunny ohhhh 11 berry threads! Duh!

tally get you with your claim to fame!

barking I'm going to have that problem with my friend at some point. Was thinking of biting the bullet and actually organising it??? Think I'll feel a bit more in control if the situation then. Plus, lets face it, if I organise it, it's bound to be fab! grin

Oh and afraid my fc said practically the same thing! Maybe they're actually right?! although I still think mine's a twat

bunny tell mr bunny to think sexy thoughts haha!

So can someone tell me what clomid actually does? Really glad you got the sweeties barking despite the consultant being an arsehole. I agree to wait on taking them til the willy is back in action.

Oh and what did you decide about the baby shower?

Bunnygirlie Wed 19-Jun-13 20:08:37


barking hope you got out of the baby shower, I am so happy my friends who had babies in December and June didn't do anything! 
Sorry to hear your consultant was an arse, but YAY to sweeties!!!

DH did his test, I so hope this one shows some results!

MrsB00Mbastic Wed 19-Jun-13 20:10:06

barking SWEETIES! Well jel. (Can't believe I just said that. I'm not from TOWIE. I promise). Glad you got them, consultants are always up their own bum so far they can inspect their tonsils from the inside. Hope you get mega-duffed straight away to give me sweetie hope! I'd save them for a cycle when Mr Barking's equipment is ready to rock'n'roll though..

Baby showers are the worst invention ever. Anyone expecting anyone else to attend such a hideous gathering should be tarred and feathered, bump or no bump! Been to one, never, ever again. I nearly choked on cutesiness but of course this has nothing to do with me being a bitter old cynic

I've been around a fair ol' while too although only got my Berry stripes in Jan or so...was with thunder on the 'ttc after MC' thread I think?

bunny hope Mr Bunny sent out his finest swim squad!

I have a gross question for anyone who's had HSG/hycosy. I'm having discharge today after mine yesterday but it's not like normal discharge, it's brown and grainy and sorry to be horrible but it looks like the later stages of when I had the MC - ie it looks like bits of dead tissue (not clots). What's going on? Should I phone them and ask if it's normal? Doesn't smell bad or anything but is pretty minging, and I was hoping we'd be back on shag duty by tonight..

BlindKitty Wed 19-Jun-13 21:01:20

I had weird discharge after my Hsg (a bit like paper mâché sorry tmi). All went after a fortnight. Defo didn't fancy dtd!

Pipbin Wed 19-Jun-13 21:22:39

Evening Elderberries.

I haven't really vanished, it's just that we have stopped trying and with moving and stuff I've not go round to posting here.

So what BFPs have I missed?

AF is due tomorrow here. When she arrives I have to phone the IVF clinic and all that business starts! I have to wait 21 days then all the drugs turn up!

Bunnygirlie Wed 19-Jun-13 21:31:39

I agree boom baby showers are stoooooid! Why do we have to be like the Americans (sorry Sid). I think a nice little get together with friends before your life changes for ever would be fun but not silly games etc. Mind you I didn't like that sort of hen do either, mine was quite sedate!

UGH why does everything I watch on tv have babies in it, Greys Anatomys lead had a baby, when I turn onto Friends it's either Phoebe or Rachel having babies or Monica trying to have babies, even in the sci fi stuff the monsters are having babies, now watching CSi and somebody is pg!!! Aaaaaagh!

Gillster Wed 19-Jun-13 21:32:49

I don't recall any discharge after HSG. After having the procedure though the nurse did say that the endometrial lining may have been disturbed so best not to TTC. I carried on regardless mind you for the good it did me!

Had mortifying moment in the B&B this morning - had a little accident on the pristine white bed linen last night despite adopting belt and braces approach (tampon and towel) but AF was crazily heavy last night, hence my accident. DH slept completing through it! Very sheepishly told the lady owner about it who to be fair seemed very understanding. It wasn't made easier by her husband being in earshot though. blush

Went on 42 mile bike ride with DH in the lovely weather although my bum is now in tatters. Sitting down tomorrow is going to be emotional ladies!

Glad you got your sweeties barking although consultant does sound like a bit of an arse. I hope my new consultant on 2nd July is a bit more understanding.

Bunnygirlie Wed 19-Jun-13 21:33:48

Good to see you pip my fellow OB (original berry), drugs how exciting!!!

And you haven't missed any BFPs, just a load of bastard AFs arrive this weeksad

MrsB00Mbastic Wed 19-Jun-13 21:40:13

Ugh a fortnight kitty, really? Well that knocks any amorous thoughts I may have had on the head! And yeah, papier mache describes it quite well I suppose. SIGH. Def no surprise BFP for us this month/quarter then! I feel like I haven't had a good bonk in aaaages because I actually haven't

Hi Pip! Nice to see you, oooh not long til it all gets real then! Exciting!

Gil ah dear well I'm sure it's happened to us all at some point, and I bet she's had worse things to deal with (I used to clean caravans in France over summer and you would not BELIEVE the filth people will leave behind them....GAK) Hope your bum doesn't fall off!

Bunny there's no escaping. Bumps are everywhere angry

SidneyBristow Wed 19-Jun-13 22:25:43

barking! sweeties, yay! Your consultant sounds like a prize ass, so you know he must be good! wink the dismissive tone of the whole '2 year' thing bugs me; if you're on cycle 20 then your 2 year anniversary is almost here, so why the condescending attitude? Remind me again, when did you go to the GP and from there he long did it take to get referred, and then to see someone?

Hiya pip, Yvette had a busy few months & I'm psyched for you that rye getting so close to some action!

gillster blush on your behalf, but I'm sure she appreciated beig told, rather than being left to find it. boom my mind is a very dark place now that you've put the idea of French caravan filth into it!

bunny no offense about the baby shower. In our defense I don't think the super tacky shower is the norm; I've been to a few and they were all very tasteful, more like an afternoon tea than a hen do-type level of outrageousness only with a baby theme. There's no way on God's green earth I'd eat chocolate out of a diaper.

CD19 here, ho hum...

BlindKitty Wed 19-Jun-13 22:39:02

Just so everyone knows, when I'm pregnant I DEFO want a baby shower! With shed loads of presents!! I think I deserve it!!!

boom thinking about it I don't think I actually had it until 2 weeks later!

Bunnygirlie Wed 19-Jun-13 22:42:12

sid who is yvette and does she eat a lot of rye?!?!? confused lol

I once went to a BS (great abbreviation with 2 meanings loo) wher we had to gues what was in the nappy ick!

Tallyra Wed 19-Jun-13 22:55:46

Ohh, ohh, ohh, I got a lettter from the nhs today.

You know I was told the scan would take about 2 months before the appointment? Well, it's on the 4th July!!! BUT, it's not just a scan. I think I was imagining it would be a bit like the HSG you are all describing, but the letter I got was pretty serious, and at the bottom there was a pin, bit of paper that basically told me not to eat anything after 7.30 am or drink after 11.03, and that it was a general anesthetic procedure. Now I'm a bit scared! But I've been under for 3 erpcs (DnCs) so it can't be any worse than that, surely. BUT, the doctor did say that if they find any scarring, they can sort it out there and then, so now I'm thinking they are going to be fiddling around for ages while I'm asleep and I'll come out bleeding even more than I have in the past. I think I need some brew and biscuit to calm me down now...

SidneyBristow Wed 19-Jun-13 23:03:18

Ugh damn you autocorrect! Should've said you've had a busy few months, and you're, not rye confused

Tally are you scared, or excited? Would,think both reactions would be normal! At least you haven't got long to be kept in suspense!

Aquarius1 Wed 19-Jun-13 23:09:27

evening ladies - good thread name and I am definitely feeling the gluckshmaltz or whatever it is.

tally don't be scared and do have plenty of biscuit but not too much brew as it'll keep you awake. I might also have to have a general anaesthetic in the not too distant future for a laparoscopy (sp?) and I've never been under before. like you i'd be concerned about bleeding afterwards but it's more the thought of what they might find that concerns me. at least if they do find something they can hopefully fix it.

Off to see GP first thing tomorrow for a catch up and another day 21 test so hope to find out more then.

Cd21 here and happily/dozily slouched on the CLoL. had horrible irrational argument with DH this am sad haven't managed to apologise to each other yet but hoping to shortly...

ps hello pip and that's very exciting - hope the move has gone well and you're all settled in smile

sid we waited the required 12 months then saw the gp in December. She ordered the blood tests and SA and did an internal examination then referred us to the fc in February. We got an appointment with the nurse in April and she booked me in for the hsg and the dildocam and we got the appointment with the consultant today, so June. We now have 6 months of clomid and a follow up appointment in December, by which point we will have been trying over 2 years which is the required amount of time of ttc to be referred to the assisted conception unit. I've no idea how long the wait is after that given it took 6 months from GP to the fc consultant.

thunder I decided to avoid the BS (great abbreviation). However, after the hospital we went to the nearby pub for a quick bite to eat. Only available seat was by a party. Didn't notice until we sat down that it was a.... yes. A BS. angry With banners and balloons and baby gifts displayed on the table.
The irony of walking out of the fertility clinic, where I had to sit in the waiting room for my scan with pg women clutching their 'maternity' packs, into a pub hosting a baby shower, was not appreciated. angry

And just to further rub it in, got home to find a fb message from friend expecting twins inviting me to her BS. I genuinely can't go to that one. grin

tally your scan sounds scary but good, very good news if they can immediately sort out any damage instead of putting you on another wait smile .

Oh, and my sweeties will be put away until next cycle. DP gulped when I asked him what the chances were of dtd in 10 days. Then made some lovely comment about it depending on whether I wanted to risk him leaving scabs inside me. Nice. <need throwing up smiley>. So sweeties definitely not starting yet!!

Tallyra Thu 20-Jun-13 01:11:09

had a laparoscopy too aquarius. that's not too bad, as there are only tiny inscisions. Mine was for a oesophageal hernia though so the recovery from that took a while. I still look like I have stab marks in my belly though. they're quite cool scars really. grin

BlindKitty Thu 20-Jun-13 05:58:04

barking urghh at scabs!!!!

tally this is the first step to getting youre baby, don't be scared xxxx

Morning all,

Got a headache and can't sleep sad

boom yeah we were on the ttc after mc board together. Were you on any boards before that?

sid your typos are making me chuckle. I was thinking who the hell is Yvette?!

tally this letter is brilliant news. So soon AND it sounds like they're really going to get you checked out and hopefully sorted? Sounds great to me! I would be the same as you re trepidation too but it'll be done before you know it.

barking OUCH about walking out of the frying pan into the BS fire. That is just not cricket. Good that you can't go to the other BS! I think they should just be avoided. Except for blind's of course.......

Bunnygirlie Thu 20-Jun-13 08:36:19

Crikey it's been a busy thread since I went to bed!

Ooh tally how scary exciting for you! So soon! 

Good to see you aquarius, how is the CLoL? 

barking oh no, not anotherBS! That's crappy! and ewwwwww to the scabs!

Here in the bunny household we are just waiting for AF to leave, this weekend we have a christening (the one for fertile friend, I am to be godmum to 1 of the 4), thank goodness AF emotions will be gone by then, these things are tough enough aren't they girls!?!

MrsB00Mbastic Thu 20-Jun-13 09:45:24

Morning berries!

Well I'm supposed to be on placement today but none of my mentors wanted me sad so it's another day doing dissertation for me! Feeling chuffed with the essay mark I got yesterday, just scraped a 1st. If I manage to get 77 in my dissertation I might JUST get a 1st overall - whilst it's not the be all and end all it would be lovely!

Tally oh fantastic news about the appointment! Hope excitement is overriding worry. Fingers crossed that this is your fast track to BFP grin

thunder no, just that one. I'm a monogamous MNer, one thread at once!

barking <shudder> scabs <shudder> good call to wait!! Can't believe another BS showed up, hope you gave them a good dose of the evils. All BS (apart from kitty's of course) are just so wrong.

Bunny christenings are almost as pants as baby showers. In fact all ceremonial rubbing-of-babies-in-infertile-peoples'-faces occasions are pants.

sid excellent work on the typos!

Hey aquarius! Hope you're having a chilled-out time on the CLoL. When is AF expected to show her ugly face although of course she won't because this is a positive thread where we all get diffed

FFS just turned on telly for a quick ten minutes while I have brekkie - straight into an episode of House where some woman is giving birth. Like I don't have enough of this at work... hmm

SidneyBristow Thu 20-Jun-13 12:28:39

Thanks for the timeline barking. We'll hit the 1yr mark in a couple of weeks, and I guess will then start on the referral path. Not sure which is worse, a BS after your consultation or the idea of shag souvenir scabs..

Re: christenings & BSs, what I hate is the guilty feeling for all the emotions they bring out in me, esp since happiness for the baby/parents isn't anywhere near top of the list. I hate that in the last few months this feeling of desperation has crept in, and that I can't even see a pregnant stranger in the street without thinking 'boo hoo why not me!' Alternately sometimes when I see a pg stranger I think it's good omen from the universe to remind me to keep the faith. utterly bonkers and exhausting. I dread when my mother finds out my cousin's crazy wife is having a girl; she'll either bang on about it, or will bring it up gently like I'm the crazy unpredictable person. hmm might have a point there

Happy dissertation day Boom, happy Thursday to everyone else! AF, clear out and don't come back, we need some BFPs!!!

Foodylicious Thu 20-Jun-13 18:53:21

Hi girlies, hope you doing ok, not too chatty at the moment, but just marking my place for in a bit

Tallyra Thu 20-Jun-13 20:09:52

hugs foody!

MrsB00Mbastic Thu 20-Jun-13 20:14:31

Just taken the dog to her first proper dogtraining class. Was expecting her to be the dunce but lo and behold, there were other dogs who were waaaaaay worse! I feel a lot better about our dimwit spaniel now!

In other news, the weird post-hycosy discharge has now given way to a mini-AF type bleed..I'm assuming I DON'T count this as the beginning of a new cycle though...??

Hello foody!

Bunnygirlie Thu 20-Jun-13 20:16:33

Helloooooooo anybody here?  <looks around and settled onto the PoP>

sid I know what you mean, I feel bad that the first thing I think of when I hear about somebody being pg is why isn't it my turn, rather than how lovely for them!

Hey foody hope you are ok! 

MrsB00Mbastic Thu 20-Jun-13 20:34:35

<Jumps around directly in bunny's line of sight>

I'm here bunny I am me me me!!

I can't decide where to sit tonight. Is it the CLoL because I STILL can't dtd or the PoP in case I get Clomid next week? Or the RoR because I won't be able to take said sweeties for at least another two months even if I do get them??

sid & *bunny when I hear a mate is pg/given birth, or just see a random pg woman or woman with baby, my automatic reaction is bitch! whether I know their story or not, it's like tourettes, I can't stop myself!! Fortunately I don't say it out loud, it's just in my head. at least I think it is

I've got to the stage now where if I find out someone is even trying I get this grrrr as I'm scared they're going to start trying, get pg, have the baby, and I'll still be trying!!!! It upsets me that people who started trying after we did are now having real life babies, and I don't even have a bump yet. Technically, if I was a super fertile instdiffer I could have given birth twice in the time I've been trying!!! How depressing is that?!

Boom I found I turned into the kind of parent I hate at school when I took my dog to training classes. My dog had to be the best. I was ridiculously competitive each week very sad behaviour and very judgmental of other dog owners who clearly hadn't been following the advice of the trainers. blush

I'll be on the CLoL for a while with you Boom, clutching Clomid tightly in one hand and waiting desperately to be able to use it!!!

<peeps in and whispers>
Don't suppose anyone can tell me what clomid does then?

yes yes I know I could google but I've banned myself from any pregnancy or ttc googling from now on

boom great news with the super spaniel! It'll do you both good if you go to classes and have a good time together. Especially with other dogs around.

So, when do we get to re-lay this road? <waggles yellow bricks>

Bunnygirlie Thu 20-Jun-13 20:43:55

Hey boom Hey barking

barking I know what you mean, I am so scared that my cousin (second oldest after me) who got married a year after me is going to announce his wife is pg soon, I really wanna be the first but I think I may fail! I may freak out big time when it happens though!

And FFS have you seen useless Dixon is pg now!

And don't get me started on the royal baby (RB) next month is going to be hell for us all!!!!!!!!

Bunnygirlie Thu 20-Jun-13 20:44:36

Hey thunder

Aquarius1 Thu 20-Jun-13 20:45:39

Hello all

boom well done on your essay mark & hope your day of dissertation went well. I'm on cd22 and have cycles anywhere between 23 and 33 days so I'm thinking prob another wk til af due....

Saw GP today about recent scan / bloods / stuff - said I have an arcuate (?) uterus & my bloods show low progesterone so might not have ovulated last couple of mths. i'm hopeful of this mth's test - have had all sorts of bloating / wind / crazy moods / cramps which is surely down to hormones?? Ultimately it's time for dh to get jizz test so we can get that checked before referral to FC. Part of me wants to leave it alone for a bit &see what happens but am also impatient (not to mention sick of almost being last woman I know who isn't pregnant / a mum)....

bunny hello & hope you're having a nice eve smile

SidneyBristow Thu 20-Jun-13 20:45:59

Hugs foody flowers

Just back from a trip to the sales and a stroll around Boots. Got really happy looking at the new summer nail varnishes, til I saw the special set next to the one I had my hand on: called 'Boy or Girl?', a blue and a pink shade, apparently a perfect gift for the mummy-to-be (so said the box) confused why can I not even shop for a bloody nail polish without having babies thrown in my face!!! Grrr!

Aquarius1 Thu 20-Jun-13 20:48:36

Aargh cross posted there & am about 5 posts behind hence prob sounding a bit random.

I heartily feel those RB gluckschmerz sentiments hmm

Hey bunny

Want a jammy dodger, <offers biscuit>

aqua I too am the last unpregnant/mum standing and I would be impatient too. So they won't refer you purely based on these results?

angry sid FFS!

thunder clomid boosts ovulation. The best success rates are for women who are having problems with ovulation as it makes it actually happen. With unexplained inferility (as we've been diagnosed with) the success rates aren't as good as I'm already ovulating, that's not my problem, so it doesn't make a huge difference. However it should strengthen ovulation and potentially make more eggs drop so the swimmers have more than one target (hence an 8% chance of twins).

Bunnygirlie Thu 20-Jun-13 20:57:52


aquarius my first two progesterone tests showed low levels, my third one was ok. Get DH to get his jizz test, I don't think you'll get a referral otherwise. My DH has had two failed attempts so far (apparently its tricky to get the stuff in the pot grin) so best to get him started me thinks!

BlindKitty Thu 20-Jun-13 21:12:03

Hi peops!!!!!

Well coincidentally (after what I said re bs yesterday) my friend messages me today to ask if I was free for her bs. She was actually going to do it herself as her bridesmaids were so crap at organising it. So you've guessed it... I've offered! Nursery rhymes and nappy games here I come!

Anyway, it's bound to be my turn soon hahahaha so I'll need her to organise mine grin

boom well done re the grade you go girl!

Btw, this thread has got very clomid obsessed lately! If I'd have realised how bothered you all were about it, I'd have given you mine! Totally can't be bothered with it anymore!

Oo barking wouldn't that be bloody wonderful! Am excited for you now. Thanks for the explanation.

bunny i had wondered how easy it is to jizz into a little pot! But he did it this time eh? When do you get the results? And will you be referred even if his swimmers are ok?

Aquarius1 Thu 20-Jun-13 21:22:29

thunder no my GP said they'd want to know about dh's jizz first - makes sense - i'm curious to know if his swimmers are any good anyway...

bunny that gives me hope. and my GP said no one ovulates every month (apart from weird perfect people) too. DH seems enthusiastic about jizz test so do hope it'll work.

I'm glad about the clomid chat - it sounds like i might need it... frigging lazy ovaries....

kitty I was only hopeful as it should sort out my LP. The consultant kind of sucked the optimism out of me though by saying a) that clomid probably won't do much for me and b) that my short LP isn't a problem
If the LP was a problem then I could be confident that the clomid would make a difference but he's kind of deflated my balloon! I still can't see how an LP of 8 days gives the egg long enough to snuggle in and get comfy but there you go. thunder I think you can keep hold of those yellow bricks....

Bunnygirlie Thu 20-Jun-13 21:28:36

thunder DH results should be early to mid next week! My old doc said that whatever results say we should be referred but will wait and see what new docs say, hope to see them next week if they have my records.

Let's have a game of jenga with those yellow bricks lol

MrsB00Mbastic Thu 20-Jun-13 21:36:39

Ha Kitty is that a black market sweetie stall you're setting up over there? <sidles over for a closer look at the merchandise>...

So to continue with the clomid-obsession...I have been doing 'research' on fertility rather than my really boring data synthesis for the diss, and am wondering about clomid vs metformin vs clomid AND metformin. Apparently the double whammy combo is the best for getting bubbed up, has anyone been given both or is it just the clomid that's handed out as standard?

Thunder I will help you build a new yellow brick road, this is the beginning of my mega long cycle(s) of hope, positivity and luck! This is the cycle that I'm going to get Clomid, and in the next cycle eggs will pop out all over the place, and I WILL get diffed! And Lo! I have spoken, and it shall be so! and woe betide any consultant or act of nature who defies the word of Boom

Bunny heh, never occurred to me to wonder how they, er, get it on target... Definitely get the show on the road though Aqua, it's taken months and months to get things moving here plus you get the fun of imagining your OH getting stopped and searched by the police on his way to make the jizz-drop at the hospital I also have an arcuate uterus apparently.. I think maybe Kuma does too?

Kitty you're a braver berry than I, the mere mention of baby showers puts my hackles up! But good luck with it smile

Sid that's as bad as the flipping 'gender reveal' donuts I saw the other months with pink/blue fillings! Seriously, the baby squad need to leave inanimate objects alone!

Bunnygirlie Thu 20-Jun-13 21:55:39

boom my DH said the pot got stuck if you know what I mean lol

Do you think the word of boom will help us all?!?

MrsB00Mbastic Thu 20-Jun-13 22:00:52

I don't see why not, I have plenty to go round!

BlindKitty Thu 20-Jun-13 22:31:23

boom I'd prefer to be 'in control' and strong as opposed to 'invited' and feeling weak - do you know what I mean?

barking just because clomid didn't work for me doesnt mean it won't for you. Remember my dh's morph was slightly low!

bunny eh? Stuck? On his willy? Eh?

blind - I totally know what you mean about being in control. I think I'd still struggle myself but I am far more grumpy and cynical hesitant about those sorts of things.

Am wondering now if I should be trying some of these sweeties...?

<starts building massive yellow jenga game>

MrsB00Mbastic Thu 20-Jun-13 23:00:31

Go for it thunder, kitty's got some that fell off the back of a pharmaceutical van...

<sidles towards kitty clutching a sweaty brown envelope containing £3.63>

MrsB00Mbastic Fri 21-Jun-13 06:30:55

Morning grumble alert!

Ok, Kim Kardashian has always annoyed me because of claiming 'fertility problems' despite getting diffed in three seconds flat. But to name that poor baby 'North West' is ridiculous. It's not a puppy, novelty names are NOT ok! <chunter chunter>

GooseyD Fri 21-Jun-13 07:55:43

<skulks off the shuttle where I've been hiding and joins Barking and Boom on the CLOL>

Just been playing catch up on the last 15! pages of sick pets, Barking's poor DH and a whole host of unwelcome aunts to stay. Doesn't look like I've missed a bfp? Was really hoping that yellow brick road had ended in a few.

Kitty and Pip good luck with the iui/ivf - when did/ will it start?

Barking how long was your last lp? Sorry you have to wait to start sweeties! And that's HILARIOUS about your DH's friend!

Aquarius had the chance to kiss and make up yet?

BlindKitty Fri 21-Jun-13 08:16:23

boom thunder I feel like some kind of drug dealer lol. You are best waiting for the docs to prescribe it as they'd really need to monitor you. Also, putting my week of meltdowns down to clomid as well as not normally so irrational!

goosey feels like forever! Was told 4 months in feb, now being told possibly sept.

Bunnygirlie Fri 21-Jun-13 08:33:01

Ugh North fecking West, what a stoooooid name! I agree boom can't stand silly celeb children names!!!

goosey helloooooooo, where you been girl?

Ooh ooh ooh I 'll be back for yellow brick road jenga later!!!!!

Hey goosey! <waves>

Yeah blind I don't want em really thanks. Haven't got to the point where I need to take any more pills yet (2 a day for life is plenty to be going on with for now), but the time may well come.

North West. Phhhbb. <spits on floor>

SidneyBristow Fri 21-Jun-13 10:49:55

The mind boggles at giving a child a punchline name like North West. Those people are seriously from another planet.

FF moved my cover line to one that wasn't so surrounded by shagging sad am hoping it's a mistake based on wonky temp values since I never take it at the same time in the morning. This time my "intercourse analysis" (vomming smilie goes here) is giving me an orange dot "high" instead of the green dot "high" I had previously. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!

Nice to see ya goosey!

What's on tap for everyone today?

Foodylicious Fri 21-Jun-13 12:33:38

Hi Guys
been feeling pretty pants, lots of things going over and over in my head. Can't stop thinking about what should be going for me know if I had not mc. I know its only been 3 1/2 weeks, but god this is awful. Ok if I keep busy, but mostly I just want to stay in bed.
Had finally decided to tell my other sister about it yesterday when we met for shopping and lunch but really could not get a word in. She is maybe being made redundant soon so was talking about that.Alot. We went for coffee before meeting our other sister (who has one 3 year old and one 2-3 month old and knows all about it) and everytime I took a deep breath and started to say something like "this is diffucult.." she cut me off thinking I was talking about her. I seriously started at least 5 sentences like this and gave up as i was now shaking and would not have been able to keep it together If I did manage to tell her and would not be able to manage her response either.
Nightmare. I have not told her or my folks because I dont want them fussing or focusing on it or our ttc in the future, but I know she really would want to know and may be hurt I have kept it from her as I have seen her quite a bit in the last few weeks. I must be some actress for her not to notice something is wrong! though she is very wrapped up in herself and she is what I would call naturaly selfish in that she genuinely does not consider other people all that much. Not deliberatley or anything, just the way she is wired.
My other sister and I are really close too and she has been great, it is about a year since her mc so still quite raw for her but she was fortunate and got pg strait after and like I said now has a 10 week old (lovely and hard for me all at once).

Sorry ranting!!!! maybe I should come on here a bit more often, but I'm just so negative at the moment and don't want to bring others down.

On the up-side NOT

Have had a couple of exercise related disasters this week, perhaps someone is trying to tell me something???
Am signed up for a 10 k run tomorrow
have been doing 30 day shred and hurt my right leg doing it on Sunday went for a run on Monday as wanted to get a few good runs in before the 10k - had to stop after 20 minutes and walk back. Ouch.
So decided to be sensible and rest it completely until saturday.
Yesterday put up my new chin-up bar and used it in the evening thinking 'great can exercise without using my legs!'
On chin-up No6 the bar fell down causing me to land all my weight on my left leg before becoming a heap on the floor. Ouch!!!!
Seriously not impressed and super annoyed with myself as am now not going to be able to do the run with my sister tomorrow, hoping will at least be able to walk it. Godd thing I am not working today either as I am limping around the house!

So today is sitting on the sofa trying not to cry or go look at the scan from 6 weeks. I have the maternity pack and stuff from the early scans and the +test, I just don't know what to do with them. Need to pack up that room anyway as I am planning to sand the wooden ceiling before priming and painting it as I have a few days off work.

Glum, glum glum, sorry guys
Oh and dont know how we will ever concieve in the future as can't get my head round DTD again, made myself once last week (i wanted too and i didnt all at once) was ok but burst into tears afterwards thinking about all we had lost.

It does help coming on here reading your stories of what you have been up to!

Bunnygirlie Fri 21-Jun-13 13:47:08

Ello <uses handy wipe to clean up thunders spit> seriously girl, mine the RoR!

Oh Foody I cannot imagine what you are going through, to be given the golden ticket and then having it cruelly ripped off you weeks later doesn't bear thinking about. Sound like your sister is wrapped up in her only little world with no room for your news, perhaps try again in a few days?
(Completely off subject - Be very careful with those chin up bars, a girl I went to school with tried to do a backwards roll on hers and it fell down and she landed on her neck, you can imagine the rest.)
Sending big hugs, I'm sure in time you will feel like DTD again. Have some flowers and brew or wine

Any exciting plans for the weekend?

foody I can't imagine what you're going through and have no advice on what to do with the scan stuff, but with telling your sister would it help to tell the sister-in-the-know that you're trying to tell the other sister, and do it while they're both there? That way when you take a breath and try and start your sentence the sister-in-the-know can step in and tell the other sister to shut up help get your message across.

Sorry bunny <hangs head and wipes corner of mouth> I just felt all passionate and Mediterranean doing that.

foody you know how sorry I am for your shitty time from my pm. With regard the sister that doesn't listen what about just getting the other sister to tell her. If I were me I'd seriously consider texting but I'm cowardly vet non confrontational like that and prefer to receive news in writing myself- it gives me time to arrange my features appropriately especially when it's new pregnancy news GRR

'S a bit quiet in ere innit?

<starts to remove clothes à la bunnystyle>

Bunnygirlie Fri 21-Jun-13 18:46:45

Woah there thunder

S'alright bunny, still got my socks on wink



Bunnygirlie Fri 21-Jun-13 18:55:18

Lol at least wait till I've gone to the pub! Off out for a glass of wine or 5! Laters peeps!


<takes socks off>

MrsB00Mbastic Fri 21-Jun-13 20:19:33

Ooooh, naked Jenga! My fave <whips off clothing> Can I leave my hat on?

Hi goosey good to see ya!

Kitty don't worry, I'm not really trying to get cut price drugs off you! I shall be bullying the doctor into giving me the legit version next Monday as part of my positivity drive..!

Foody so sorry you're having such a crap time. Your sister does sound like she's very focussed on herself. If you do want to tell her, maybe you could text her to say you have something you really need to talk to her about and could she meet you for a chat? That would make sure her attention was focussed so you're not trying to slip it in in the middle of a conversation about her.

I still have my scans, even the last one that showed no heartbeat, and the photo of the pg test that I sent DH to tell him. I can't bear to get rid of them, for some reason I feel like I need to revisit them every so often to prove to myself that it really did happen. That sounds really maudlin I know, but I can understand why you're finding it so hard to let go. Maybe you can put them somewhere out of the way so you're not constantly drawn to them?

In other news, I'm back on community placement. I can deal with the big bumps, but I've had a couple of new bookings today and I honestly nearly cried. Just seeing those women all excited about their new pregnancy was so hard, and they kept asking if I had kids... Also it's the first time I've seen my mentor since first year, and she knew about the mc so I had to deal with the sympathy (I'm not a gracious sympathy receiver. I just cry lots). I don't know, I just feel like they've shot through my defences today. It's going to be a really hard couple of months now. Just as well I've got a day off from it tomorrow!

Pipbin Fri 21-Jun-13 20:22:27

So AF did show today and I called the clinic and thats IVF all started!

I get started on the drugs in 3 weeks and then it all happens about 6 weeks after that!

That's so strange boom, I emptied a bin from a room we barely use today. In the bottom was my positive pg test. It floored me. I was offered my no heartbeat scan photo but I didn't want it. Funny how we cope so differently with these things.

Sorry it's been a tough one with the mentor and excited newbies. That must be so hard. I can't imagine. Do you have a 'professional mask' or is it a real struggle?

pip, that is SO exciting! Thank god to get moving with it! How's the house? I was thinking about your story of creation the other day. It was such genius I reckon you should post it again. Please? I need a smile today

Pipbin Fri 21-Jun-13 20:45:40

I'd forgotten all about the creation story. Is there a why I can see all my past posts to find it again?

Did you not write it anywhere else? Otherwise you might have to search through old threads- not sure...

Pipbin Fri 21-Jun-13 20:53:38

Found it,

Ladies please take your seats as the sermon as passed down from generation to generation of berries is about to begin......................

Pipbin Fri 21-Jun-13 20:55:27

In the beginning Mumsnet created the TTC forum and saw that is was good. But many of the threads were full of women complaining that they had not been blessed with their 4th baby. And Lo many women who were evil and greedy for having delayed having babies so they could live fabulous lives and have holidays (and nothing to be with being financially stable and being with the right partner) and they were made sad by the women who already had babies.
And they went into the wilderness and walked for 40 days and 40 nights until they came to the promised land of elderberries and sausages. And they saw that it was good.

And Lo those women did pee upon the stick of OPK and saw that there were two lines and held it to the light and did say unto their fellow elderberries 'tell me oh wise women, is the test line darker than the control line?' And the wise women said that it was and they must make haste to their bed and the elderberries did call unto their husbands and ask for him to lay with her and he said, 'but I have been busy at work and I'm too tired.' And there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

And the elderberries did go to the wise GP and speak to him but he didn't understand but sent the woman to have tests on the wrong day. And the woman did say unto her husband 'you must spill your seed into this pot and a man will look at it and see if it is good' and the man said that he was too busy and tired. And there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

And the woman looked at her fellow women and they all doth say 'but I laid with a man but once and I have had many babies' and another said 'I think thou doth triest too much. If thou stop trying it will happen'. And the women were evil and they thought not for the feelings of the elderberries and they doth call upon their friends to bring them gifts as they were very pleased with themselves for having a baby and could not understand why the elderberries find it so difficult.

And lo the elderberry did find herself reading the scripture of the internet and did do everything asked of her by the soothsayers therein. She did eat manuka honey, she did pee on sticks, she did put a pillow under her bottom, she did not partake of the caffeine or the alcohol, she did put the legs into the air after she had lain with her husband but each month she was visited by an evil spirit. And there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Our peestick
Who art in the bathroom cupboard
Clearblue is thy name,
Thy peeing on done,
Thy one line only come,
This month as every other,
Give us every other day strength to DTD
Forgive us complaining
As we forgive those who give us advice,
And lead us not to read the internet
And deliver us of a baby (eventually)
For thine is the CBFM
The opk and the conceive plus,
Until we get two lines

Sobbing with laughter. pip you are fucking amazing. Sorry for the language but it has to be said.

happylass Fri 21-Jun-13 21:05:09

Yey Pip great news about getting started with the IVF - thrilled for you! Had forgotten about the creation story - love it! Hugs to all the Berries having a tough time.
Zero to report here. Somewhere in the middle of the 2ww and have pretty much given up hope of getting upduffed this year. Actually looking forward to taking a break from TTC. Think it'll do us good not to be constantly thinking about it!

MrsB00Mbastic Fri 21-Jun-13 21:09:16

BWAHAHAHAHA pip that is pure gold! I even read it with my 'serious vicar' mind-voice for extra effect. grin grin You've cheered up a grumpy berry!

Oh and massive yays for the IVF! Go team Pip!

Anyone watching Miranda? 'My ovaries work -yippee' ha!

Bunnygirlie Fri 21-Jun-13 21:13:57

I'm here!!!!!!and I'm tipsy!!! grin

Bloody Nora bunny you drunk those 5 a bit quick!

SidneyBristow Fri 21-Jun-13 21:16:35

Pip you're genius, if you don't mind I'm going to cut & paste it to refer back to when I need to see the brighter side of TTC'ing! Fantastic news about your upcoming IVF, so psyched for you!! New house really does lead to new baby! note to self find buyer for house overseas so we can upgrade here before I'm old and decrepit

boom and foody and thunder flowers can't even imagine how I'd cope with what you've all bravely faced; I'm really sorry you've had to go through this. The only person I know IRL who's had a mc (and talked about it) said that she felt herself getting pulled into a depression she wasn't sure she could've found her way out of, and the only thing that helped was returning to her (extremely demanding) job so she had less time to think about it. In the end, the only thing that brought peace to her was conceiving her eldest child, who couldn't have been conceived had her first pregnancy gone to term. People grieve differently, and I think there's no right or wrong way to deal with it. Foody I'm sorry your sister was so hard to talk to. I think a text might be a good thing, as just a heads-up to her that you had something important to discuss. I'm glad your other sister is being supportive flowers and I agree about the chin-up bar, they sound dangerous!!

SidneyBristow Fri 21-Jun-13 21:18:18

happy not sure if we're cycle buddies anymore as now FF says I ov'd on CD18 so not sure if I'm mid-2ww anymore hmm sad biscuit etc etc

MrsB00Mbastic Fri 21-Jun-13 21:19:58

Good effort bunny!

Thunder I do have a professional face believe it or not but my voice cracks really easily when I'm emotional, it can be a bit embarrassing really because I can't control it and it's fairly obvious. I've had to fake a coughing fit before to cover it...

Bunnygirlie Fri 21-Jun-13 21:29:01

boom I really don't know how you cope with TTC and dealing with bumps every day! Think it would drive me loopy (well more so)

Oh pip how exciting! I am so chuffed for you and keeping everything crossed (well not EVERYTHING) for you!

 pip that sermon is just fecking genius!!!!

Guess what, got drunk and had sex for fun?!?!?!? What a waste of sperm wink 

<starts dancing round Berry HQ in a crazy manner>

Pipbin Fri 21-Jun-13 21:29:56

Thanks for your kind words ladies, when I am feeling it I might write another chapter.

happylass Fri 21-Jun-13 21:30:55

Sid I'm currently using 2 sites to track my cycles because I'm slightly obsessed and they've given me crosshairs 2 days apart despite me inputting exactly the same data. When do you think you OVd? I'm pretty sure that FF is the correct one for me though as this is when I had the EWCM and OV pain.

Bunnygirlie Fri 21-Jun-13 22:08:40

<I'm still dancing>

CharmingCats Fri 21-Jun-13 22:14:05

Hello. Many apologies for my absence. Love the new thread, will try to catch up on the end of the last one.
Congrats on the IVF, pip and thanks for the creation story again. It still rings as true..
foody sorry you've been so down. It must take time to come to terms with it.
Re clomid/metformin combo, I think they work best together for pcos. Read good things about metformin on its own, especially for those who are ovulating, just sporadically. I'm hoping that's me. Have been taking it for 3 weeks now, so will keep you posted, if you like.
Cd8 here. Realised that during my last 72 day cycle there were 3 pg announcements. My SIL, my bridesmaid who I didn't even know was trying (last time we spoke about it was years ago admittedly) and now a male colleague's wife is expecting their first. That announcement came on cd1, so was feeling particularly vicious.
This batch of births has started too, with royal baby soon. Baby fever! Fucking hate it.
Bloody teacher driving me mad. He wanted to do a science experiment last Friday pm, but didn't get round to it as he was waffling at them for an hour and a half and I stopped him from starting it fifteen minutes before home time. He then tried again today. Still waffling at 3 pm, so it's taken him a totl of 3 hours teaching time to not do an experiment. Last time, he managed to grt the cress seeds set out in different conditions, but never returned to them for monitoring, so the children did not record results or make conclusions. Ffs. Am dreading having to collate his end of year reports....

MrsB00Mbastic Fri 21-Jun-13 22:44:32

Bunny you're making me chuckle! Purely recreational shaggage eh? What's that then?! confused

Nice to have you back with us charming grin and thanks for the info on the drugs. As usual, Dr Google has several opposing opinions on the subject! I'm definitely going to ask about it at the appointment but I do like to know what I'm talking about...

Your teacher sounds like such a plank. I'm itching to slap him round the face with a wet fish and I've never even met him!

Bunnygirlie Fri 21-Jun-13 23:19:11

Ooh yes we should lunch cats teacher!!!

Welcome back cats

That teacher sounds like an idiot. I'm not a teacher <waits to be thrown out> but even to me it sounds like he has no bloomin idea. Poor kids. Bet they just want to crack on with stuff.

boom good work with the strategic coughing fit. Not easy to cope with all the same. Hope you've got a nice weekend planned?

Sounds like you had a good night bunny!

MrsB00Mbastic Sat 22-Jun-13 09:30:26

Morning berries!

Have awoken on the wrong side of the bed, but am trying to rekindle the positivity by eating Haagen Dazs creme brulee icecream for breakfast

Good news on the dog front - the dogwalker took her out yesterday on the long lead and she didn't snap at any other dogs, despite meeting several 'strange' dogs as well as the two she was walking with. Progress is perhaps being made! It's definitely got me thinking that we neeeed another pup in the house (cue mad scanning of all rescue sites..again)

Not much exciting this weekend thunder, I'm working this afternoon at the pub and then tomorrow will be more diss! It's due on the 17th though, so the end MUST be in sight!! How about you, fun and frolics abounding? Or just more yellow brick jenga? smile

Bunnygirlie Sat 22-Jun-13 10:19:53

thunder I'm not a teacher either, we can hang out together!

Ooooh boom another pooch! I really want a dog but we have said we will wait till we have kiddiwinks (we could be waiting a bloody long time)

Bit of a fuzzy head this morn, I only had 2 glasses, ok they were large, but I just don't drink much anymore, trying to be good and all that!

BBQ today and christening tomorrow confused

MrsB00Mbastic Sat 22-Jun-13 12:36:03

How's the head now bunny?

The pooch is a pipe dream, we can't afford another at the moment and the house is too small really. Hopefully when I get a job after this flipping course is over we'll be able to move somewhere bigger and get another! unless of course I get diffed in which case I'll be on minimum maternity pay and we'll be flat broke

Ok good pooch news boom! Do you think the class helped too? Not so good about so much work on the weekend. I am glad my data of that are over at the moment- I've done my time! Make sure you get some rest too?

bunny get a pooch! Sod's law means you'll get diffed (but still have time to settle it in) and in the meantime you've got a wonderful distraction!

GooseyD Sat 22-Jun-13 12:51:22

<flumps down on th clol nursing a hangover when should be painting mum's front room>

Last night friends all joking about it being easier to get a baby than a dog from the animal shelter. The all have at least one kid and were all instadiffers. One of them has four now. So i promptly finished off a bottle or two of wine! Actually probably would have done anyway as whenever see school friends we tend to forget were no longer 20! And had a fab night,

Aquarius1 Sat 22-Jun-13 12:52:37

thunder and bunny I'm not a teacher either nor do I have a dog <sidles across to their end of the sofa> not that I have anything against teachers or dogs like

foody so sorry about what you're going through and do hope you manage to speak with your sis. i have sisters & know what you meant about not getting a word in edgeways.

both my sisters have little ones so i'm finding it increasingly hard to talk to them about ttc the longer time goes on. thank goodness for the elderberries.

goosey i think you asked me about whether i'd made up with dh - we sort of made up but then i went a bit crazy and irrational about something (can't even remember what) and then our in laws came to stay (do love them but not the best timing) and he's gone out to work so hoping to properly make up later. i suspect it's v much pms grouchiness (Cd 24 here) poor dh having to put up with it sad

Aquarius1 Sat 22-Jun-13 12:54:07

goosey just cross posted OMG at your friends' jokes!! I'd have either done the same or walked out! glad you had a fab night though.

GooseyD Sat 22-Jun-13 12:54:43

(managed to post without finishing sentence)

... so was worth the sore head I suppose!

BlindKitty Sat 22-Jun-13 12:54:56

Urghh <squidges up to bunny in the hangover hammock>. This pre mid life crisis better be over soon or I won't have a liver left!

pip totally forgot about the story! You have actually managed to cheer be up though!! I've actually forwarded it to my friend, who's yet to be convinced of mn but could really do with the support.

bunny and thunder I'm not a teacher either! Think we should make our own special group and not let the teachers join

foody really think you need to tell your sister. Know she's being a bit selfish atm but she'll be gutted that you've struggled to tell her, once she finds out. Especially as your other sister knows x

GooseyD Sat 22-Jun-13 13:06:36

Another non teacher with no dog! Was trying to conceal it but seeing as a couple of others have come clean...

That does sound like rubbish timing Aquarius - on the in law and af front, pmt does have a lot to answer for in the strained relationships department!

MrsB00Mbastic Sat 22-Jun-13 13:07:30

This is my last day of pub work for a while thunder, I've told them I can't cope with it while I'm doing all these essays. So we will be extra poor - I know it only brings in a couple of hundred a month, but it's a very welcome addition!

Sadly even once I graduate I'll still be working nights and weekends. On the bright side, long shifts means I only have to work 3 days a week to be on full-time hours...!

GooseyD Sat 22-Jun-13 13:15:00

Hi Boom, do you have another job and pub was extra or are you full time student? What are you studying by the way?

GooseyD Sat 22-Jun-13 13:17:54

By the way how did naked jenga become a passtime around here?!

MrsB00Mbastic Sat 22-Jun-13 13:22:59

Full time midwifery student goosey - graduate in September wahooooo! just need a job

You mean naked yellow brick jenga isn't a standard pastime? confused

GooseyD Sat 22-Jun-13 13:30:55

Of course I know you're a midwife Boom, methinks maybe I pickled my brain last night...

Ah yellow brick jenga, I see! Totally commonplace now you point that out!

BlindKitty Sat 22-Jun-13 14:10:26

Berries, I need some advice...

Have finally found a job that doesn't make me want to rip my hair out or have a nervous breakdown, actually pays me for overtime but perhaps not as stimulating as before.

However.. on mon 2 jobs (same pay) will be released at my dream hospital. I stand a brilliant chance of getting it especially as my friend has already bigged me up to the head if service. However, it's likely to be stressful

What should I do? If I wasn't ttc I prob wouldn't even have to think about it!

MrsB00Mbastic Sat 22-Jun-13 14:36:51

If you think it's a job that would make you happier overall then I'd go for it kitty, ttc or not. Life is too short to make decisions based on unknown future events - go with what will make you happiest given your current situation!

woah, that was deep

Kitty, I agree with boom. Take ttc out of it when making decisions abc go with what is best for you.

boom September is soon! So excited for you. Do you have to do exams before you finish. Shift work is ok, it's just working all the time like you seem to do which is not so cool!

GooseyD Sat 22-Jun-13 16:25:51

Kitty what's your instinct? And how easy is it to change jobs, would you be likely to be able to get job at dream hospital in future, and would taking the easier job now put you in a less strong position career wise if you do decide to move on again? Personally if you thought i could go for more exciting job in future with good chance of getting then I would choose the less stressful now. But I deal really badly with stress so that wouldnt be the same for everyone.

GooseyD Sat 22-Jun-13 16:31:08

Sorry obviously I meant 'if i thought i could'

Also Im not ambitious work wise, quite content to pootle along which it sounds like might not be the case for you. Its a really personal thing and I'd go with your gut instinct - if have one of course!

Bunnygirlie Sat 22-Jun-13 16:36:46

kitty I agree, remove TTC from the equation and make the decision using your gut instinct!

Hangover better now. Just bad back instead as been hunched over baking and hoovering etc!

BlindKitty Sat 22-Jun-13 17:39:10

Thanks guys, the other job will DEFO be stressful! Basically I'll be dealing with extremely anxious parent with very poorly children, as opposed to drinking tea with little old ladies who don't eat as much as they used to!

GooseyD Sat 22-Jun-13 18:18:14

Oh so bored of painting! Normally quite enjoy it but dint think mixes well with tired hungoverness!

Pip definitely yes to another sermon! Lines keep coming to mind and making me laugh out loud much to the puzzlement of those around.

BlindKitty Sat 22-Jun-13 19:30:07

pip we need a part 2!!!!

BlindKitty Sat 22-Jun-13 21:18:25

Where is everyone??!!!

I'm here blind. Alright chuck? x

Bunnygirlie Sun 23-Jun-13 00:07:45

Ello! Just got in from a friends BBQ, nice to catch up with peeps but fertile friend bought the baby. She sat down with him in the other room and I felt like the bad friend as I didn't go and sit with her like the other ladies but I just couldn't!

Tomorrow (or is that today) is going to be tough, the christening!!!

MrsB00Mbastic Sun 23-Jun-13 08:38:48

Morning! Gosh, you lot were quiet last night - was everyone out on the razz?

Bunny sorry there was a baby BBQ-crasher. Inescapable isn't it! I was working at the pub last night and there was a woman just behind the station where I was standing announcing to her family that she was pregnant and giving them all the details from her midwife appointment and that nearly set me off (again)! Hope you survive the christening today x

Am having a fight with DH this morning (already!) because he's just refused to go to my cousin's wedding in July. I've already RSVP'd for us both and booked us a room but he's now decided he can't take a day off work for it. This is an ongoing theme, I always end up going to weddings/christenings/parties alone because he's an antisocial git and doesn't see why he should go to my friends' do's or why I would be upset that he never comes. Bearing in mind that I've been with him nearly 7 years, some of my further-flung friends have never even met him. It's embarrassing, especially when I have to make grovelling apologies 3 weeks from a wedding date because he's suddenly changed his mind. GRRRRRRRRRR. Why are men so frustrating?? (We're also arguing because he won't wear a wedding ring, and last time he refused to come to a wedding he said he'd get one if I never forced him to I tried to lighten the mood by saying 'ooh we'll have to get you that wedding ring then' which he immediately said was nagging. SIGH)....

Grumble over! How's everyone else? We're meant to be going to a picnic today but given the gale force winds and black skies (not to mention frosty atmosphere) I suspect we'll be giving it a miss!

Lullahbear Sun 23-Jun-13 09:09:55

<perches on the arm of the SoP clutching B6 tabs and a thermometer>

Looking to hang around in Berry HQ if thats ok?!? Happy to have a good ole chat over (brew) or (wine)

Had yet another person at work say she was preggs this week (so easy, happened so quickly- grrrr) and a friend who is frustrated after 3cycles!!

Lullahbear- 30, TTC since July 2011, MC Jan '13 6weeks, LP 6-8 days, DH works away a lot (sad)

MrsB00Mbastic Sun 23-Jun-13 09:29:06

Hi Lullah good to have you with us (although you've knocked me off the youngest TTC'er spot, booo!) Sorry to hear about your mc. Are you having any investigations at all? I think we've got another couple of short LP-ers who enjoy a good B6 fix...<looks around> barking?!

BlindKitty Sun 23-Jun-13 09:33:47

bunny kinda know what you mean. It's not a problem getting him to weddings but is for bbqs, christenings, dinner parties, etc (unless if course it's one if his friends!). He can be quite rude at times as well, for example, if he doesn't like someone, he'll just tell them!

I had the complete opposite prob with the wedding ring! He lost his (it was on top of the fridge) so just went out and bought another! Clearly the lovely engraved ring that I had given him on his wedding day had so little value!!!!

MrsB00Mbastic Sun 23-Jun-13 09:44:20

Ha Kitty I'll assume you mean me when you say bunny grin Aren't they just bloody useless - and you're right, if it's their friends it's all hunky dory! <chunter chunter> On the other hand, you've made me chuckle at the thought of Mr Blind stopping someone in mid flow and saying 'sorry, I can't go on - I just don't like you' hahaha! Maybe I'm better off keeping Mr Boom safely out of the way after all...

Tallyra Sun 23-Jun-13 09:49:50

Hi lullah. I'm sorry you are having so much trouble. there are a few of us in the mc boat too, so don't worry about moaning to us about stuff, we all have an angle.

Off to sisters new house for a Peruvian meal soon. it was going tho be BBQ but they decided against it yesterday. unless one of my sisters makes an announcement today, which is highly unlikely, today should be baby free, yay!
The place I volunteer at seems to have baby obsession, despite most of them already having had them years ago. any mention and they get all gooey, and there are now crafters making 'nappy cakes' for bs presents and everyone coos over them. I can't even run away as the place is so tiny there's no escape.

Bunnygirlie Sun 23-Jun-13 09:50:46

Good morning!

boom yep you can't beat a baby party-crashed for a fun evening ?!???? Sounds like yours was crashed well and truly too sad Sorry to hear you and DH are arguing, it's family he should be going!!! Naughty Mr Boom!1

<sniffs the air> is that a newbie I can smell?!? 

MrsB00Mbastic Sun 23-Jun-13 10:00:26

Shall we instigate a 'one in, one out' policy? We have a newbie, therefore it must be time for a BFP!

Lullahbear Sun 23-Jun-13 10:07:49

Oh god do I smell of 'no baby'??? Bunny and boom Baby parties are the worst, however mistakingly walked into Baby Ralph Lauren yesterday, swear there was tumble weed and heads swivelling all the way round when they saw i was sans baby- made a quick dash out before being rammed by buggies!!!

boom can't say it's fun being the single-yet-married one at weddings/ parties, especially when you feel the need to make excuses for DH not being there!!

Bunnygirlie Sun 23-Jun-13 10:11:58

Hey lullah or is it bear I have a feeling we may all just smell of desperation sad i think I do!

Ugh I am dreading today, about 30 adults and 15kids, I wonder how many of the ladies will be barren like my good self confused

MrsB00Mbastic Sun 23-Jun-13 10:15:30

Don't worry Lullah, I think we probably all have a distinctive whiff of B6, folic acid and desperation! except me because I ran out of folic acid weeks ago and still haven't bought any more

Ugh, baby Ralph Lauren. Purgatory, glad you made it out alive!

Really am going to go and get dressed (in a stroppy manner so that Mr Boom is aware of my continuing displeasure) and go for a walk now <prises self away from the computer>

Have a lovely Sunday berries!

MrsB00Mbastic Sun 23-Jun-13 10:38:04

Ps crossed with you bunny - not barren, just taking your sweet time! Hope it's not too bad, fingers crossed that all the kids are horrible little brats and make you glad that they're not yours. wine is always the answer wink

Trying very hard to stay cross with DH but he's singing loudly and tunelessly along to Pink 'so so what, I'm still a rock star, I got my prop moves, and I don't neeeeeeeed you' and for some reason this makes me a lot less angry hmm

BlindKitty Sun 23-Jun-13 10:53:38

Ooops boom yep meant you! Perhaps decaf re first thing isn't right! Once, he told a complete stranger (that I was talking to in a club) to 'go away and die'. I think he thought it was funny but the girl just looked at me in disbelief! Oh and I still haven't forgiven him for going into the lounge to read the paper mid one of my dinner parties as he was bored of my friends! 'One in one out' sounds great! Oh and have been so laid back lately I've just forgotten to take my folic acid this last week <runs off to get dosed up>

tally I hate to say it but you've just given me cake ideas for my friends bs that I'm organising lol. Enjoy your Peruvian meal!"

Tallyra Sun 23-Jun-13 11:17:08

I have to say that the phrase 'nappy cake' just seems so so so wrong. and weirdly, the ones she makes are actually made out of nappies, bibs, toys and other stuff rather than being edible. they look quite useful as a present actually.

Foodylicious Sun 23-Jun-13 11:36:41

Hello <waves to all and perches on other arm of sop, hi lullah want some biscuit?>
thanks for your thoughts guys. Got myself off the sofa on friday and went to my sisters(the 1 with kids) so I could get out the house and to borrow her sander. ended up staying for bbq and OH came round too after work, was a good distraction.
Did the 10k yesterday with my other sister but had to walk/limp it because of my knee. have a very sore hip today from compensating I think. My sister manged to talk about herself non-stop for an hour and a half, thankfully she had to shut up while we were eating lunch after (love her really but omg!) it is part of what she does when she is stressed though so just let her get on with it. She thinks she will hear more about the security of her job this week.
Soo tired had a nap (for 3hours) when we got back then watched rubbish t.v. an hours worth of crying hysteria this morning as should be 12wk scan tomorrow, but feel better and like I might get through the day as I have got it out of my system for now.
Todays mission is to finally pack up and empty the dinning room so I can get on with the bloods sanding I keep banging on about.

kitty not sure what I would do about the job, would probably apply for both, go for both interviews then would have a better feel for what I actually wanted.
boom sorry mr boom is being pants
bunny good luck today, will there be communion wine?? have a good gulp
tally how was the meal??

BlindKitty Sun 23-Jun-13 11:39:45

tally hmmm not quite sure what to think of it now. Maybe I'll just stick to cupcakes with icing nappies or something! Still can't believe I'm organising it tbh. Please god let me be preggers by then!!!!

SidneyBristow Sun 23-Jun-13 13:16:08

I think the nappy cake thing is a pretty popular BS and/or new mother gift - Blind you can probably get some fantastic pictures to copy from by searching for them on Pinterest. Actually you could probably plan the whole thing by getting ideas from Pinterest but prepared to have hours of your life sucked away

Hi Lullah, agreed, we all have a funny whiff about us, but at least there's no baby sick in our hair (sob)

Foody glad you feel better after a good cry; sometimes that's all you can do and it's enough to be able to get on with the day flowers

Berries, is FF VIP plan worth the cost? My temp this am was the lowest it's ever been and I've just spent an hour looking at charts. Seriously considering handing over the $ if it'd mean more specific instruction/suggestions on timing/chart interpretation. If this cycle's a bust, I'll be at the GP's in 1.5 weeks which means we start the referral path, and since DP has children (here 1/2 the time, random days; someone asked upthread), at some point NHS will quit us and we'll have to go private. I dread to think of how much it'll cost. So buying books, thermometers, monitor sticks, poss VIP plan is easier to justify. I'm 38 & any babies born will be when I'm 39+ which is also freaking me out. I feel simultaneously that I need this to happen, in a visceral way which I never understood before TTC, but also that I'm sick to death of the whole process, but not so sick that I'm ready to give up, or go to a private IVF clinic in 2 weeks. Conflicted, me.

happylass Sun 23-Jun-13 13:40:08

Afternoon all and welcome Lullah. Boom sorry your DH is being awkward. Mr Happy has said that he doesn't want a wedding ring as 'real men don't wear them'. Wtf? He's having one as I'm not standing up in front of our nearest and dearest and saying 'with this invisible ring I thee wed'!!
Sid how low is your temp and when is AF due? I've not got FF VIP so no idea what the extras are but I'd be interested to know too. If we're going to adopt a one in one out policy I'll volunteer to be first to go. I really don't mind, honestly!! Am 8dpo so wouldn't have long to wait!
Was at a hen do last night and was sat down for food in between 2 people who were complaining how difficult having kids is as how they don't have a moment to themselves. If only!

BlindKitty Sun 23-Jun-13 13:57:33

sid oooh let me know how it goes! I'm a bit ff obsessed too but haven't gone VIP yet! Must admit I'm quite sick to death to, although I am thinking of private ivf... Well might just go to the next open evening anyway just to get more info

SidneyBristow Sun 23-Jun-13 14:15:59

happy I'm 8 dpo too; I discarded the one temp that made FF think I o'd on cd18 rather than 15. Trying to get better at temping at the same time every day; it's tougher than I'd expected! Temp sank from 36.5 to 35.9 today so well below the cover line. I'm superstitious enough to think that buying a 1yr VIP pass will jinx me so if I do it, it won't be unless AF shows up on the 29th-30th.

Maybe 1 in, 2 out? smile are we the next ones up?

SidneyBristow Sun 23-Jun-13 14:17:40

blind had never considered an open evening; are they done very often? (I know there are lots of clinics but would each hold 1 or 2 a year, or more frequently)? I might join you!

happylass Sun 23-Jun-13 14:25:47

Oooo yes Sid let's make it 2 out. We are both due AF on the same day too. Not sure what to say about your temp drop, it's a very big one! It could of course be an implantation dip but don't want to symptom spot on your behalf! Just looked back over all my charts and noticed that my post OV temps are always at their lowest 8dpo (though only once have they dipped below the cover line) and they then go back up again until falling off for AF. No idea what this means, if anything! I think you 'll need to persist with the charting for a few months yet before you get to see a pattern.

BlindKitty Sun 23-Jun-13 15:12:51

sid my temp is often erratic, even taking it the same time each day before I've done anything confused
The bupa in brum have an open evening every month but we've not managed it yet.

BlindKitty Sun 23-Jun-13 18:03:47

Question girlies ...

Which of you have had your amh tested? If you did, did you get it on the nhs?

MrsB00Mbastic Sun 23-Jun-13 18:57:51

Not meee! Suspect given the stinginess of the doctors around here in ordering tests, I wouldn't get it on the NHS if I wanted it though..! Someone had it a few threads back, was it BookTart?

I've just realised how many berries have fallen by the wayside since those days! Did she get diffed? Hope so! (goes to investigate) aaah yes she did, she's on the grads! How did I miss that?! maybe because it's so long since we had a BFP that I've forgotten

Bunnygirlie Sun 23-Jun-13 19:00:20

Helloooooooooo I'm back! I survived!

It wasn't too bad actually, I got through it with the help of cake and lots of my marvellous macaroons! <offers some round>

How are we all? Have I missed anything?

MrsB00Mbastic Sun 23-Jun-13 19:06:34

Ooooh macaroons grin

<stuffs at least three in mouth at once and then talks through crumbs]

Glad it went ok bunny, you didn't have to duck any smug parents in the font then!

I'm collapsed on the sofa after a massive walk with BoomDog and the horrible husband. Wish these macaroons were slightly less imaginary, I'm starving!

BlindKitty Sun 23-Jun-13 19:33:18

boom had to lol at 'the horrible husband', i think tou should throw some macaroons at him! you're right, we haven't had a grad for ages, I'd forgotten about book tart too! blush

bunny not missed much I know because I clearly have nothing better to do on a sun

Bunnygirlie Sun 23-Jun-13 19:35:48

So is that HH instead of DH then boom ?!?!?

Bunnygirlie Sun 23-Jun-13 19:41:49

What?!?!? Are you saying somebody graduated and didn't say goodbye?!?!? confused

MrsB00Mbastic Sun 23-Jun-13 21:27:23

I think she did say goodbye, but it was back about four threads ago - which was the last time we got a flipping BFP apart from the lovely frog!

HH is not allowed any macaroons. He's mostly forgiven but he's definitely not getting treats thrown at him grin

BlindKitty Sun 23-Jun-13 21:32:39

Speaking of dh's, mine has just landed a fab job! Same pay but reeeeally good bonuses! Maldives here we come!!!! grin

On my job front, I'm too scared to risk any stress atm with my imminent iui, so I've decided not to apply for those jobs I mentioned!


BlindKitty Sun 23-Jun-13 21:32:57

Wonder how frog is????

I'm being very rude as I haven't read and caught up, will do so in a second, but can anyone help me? A friend on fb who's obviously a MNetter linked to this thread on fb saying 'this is hilarious'. I dutifully clicked on said thread, and missed most of The Hobbit that I was 'watching' with DP, not to mention failed to get an early night as I have a lesson observation first thing this morning and have plenty to do before I go to bed....
Anyway, I read the whole bloody thing, all 1000 posts of it, and it doesn't come to a conclusion, and I can't find a thread that continues it!!!! Did anyone else see this and can help me out?!? This is why I never stray from just reading the berry threads, it takes over your life!!!!!

MrsB00Mbastic Sun 23-Jun-13 22:26:36

And before I catch up with everyone else (I've now moved to the laptop as I was getting frustrated with the phone so, as the washing is still in the machine and needs hanging up but not until the dry washing has been moved, it doesn't look like that early night is happening for me at all) has anyone seen this thread? It's full of women like us trying to explain why other people's bumps are so difficult to cope with.

I actually got quite irrationally angry with DP's pg-friends-due-in-July yesterday (on the inside, I didn't actually say anything!) as we were out walking with three other couples who were staying with us for the weekend (hence me not being on here all the time, too busy baking cakes and playing hostess!) and we'd stopped for a drink in the pub. I was just thinking how nice it was to have 8 of us all hanging out, most of us in our mid thirties, and absolutely no baby talk, when 8-month-bump walked up and said hello and as if the bump wasn't enough, they were there having a meal with friends and she was holding their baby!!. Felt like I'd been slapped round the face with a wet fish sad.

Hi Lullah I tried the vit b6 for two cycles, first time LP increased to 10 days, second time 9. I've now got clomid, waiting to start next cycle, so not trying again. Is it working for you?

Glad the christening went ok Bunny

Boom the refusing to attend weddings with me would pi55 annoy me as well. Is there any justification in having to work? Would he be using up valuable holiday he could spend with you in other ways, or it it just a transparent excuse?

Kitty I made a similar decision to you on the job front. I decided that extra stress wasn't going to help ttc, and I might be on the IVF waiting list soon, so didn't need any extra disruption. Also, if I tried to steer myself back to my yellow brick road of positivity (if I could be arsed building it again after you've all finished playing jenga with the bricks) I was thinking that I wouldn't want the extra stress when pg either. I think I'm just going to stick with the status quo for at least another year, and if I'm not upduffed by then I'll reassess. Having said that, there will be opportunities available in two terms, when pg collegue's maternity leave ends and there's another staff reshuffle. So might be rethinking sooner than a year, but definitely not before next Easter.

It's now 11, I still haven't sorted the washing or got my stuff ready for the morning, and I was so determined to get a nice early night before my lesson observation in the morning. To pass my performance management it needs to be graded outstanding. No pressure then sad.

Tallyra Sun 23-Jun-13 23:23:06

hi guys. back from sister's house and sorted ferrets out, now in bed while dh tries to sort out a mess that his boss's 17 year old little brother has made by not doing any work since half past 3 (perks of being the boss's brother, no fallout of being an idiot).

Peruvian meal was nice, a lamb casserole type meal. no baby talk at all, and the boys were obsessed with the cricket, so we got some good silly chat going. the dog wouldn't settle but then he never does in a new place - next time should be better.

Sorry I haven't caught up tonight, I'm a bit tired after the drive back home from London. night all and I'll see you all tomorrow xxx

Ta v. much for the link Boom grin thanks

Bunnygirlie Sun 23-Jun-13 23:26:39

Omg I have brain ache from reading threads about parking (bad barking) and then found one about gifts for the new mother list at a naming ceromony?!?!?

That would be this one bunny ?! Same friend liked to that one as well and I've gone from wanting to be in bed by 10 to still being awake at 00:27!!! angry angry angry

Amazing story that one though, you can't guess where it's going at the beginning!! (Don't want to spoil it for anyone who hasn't read it!)
Definitely going to switch off now, I'm going to hate myself in the morning.....

MrsB00Mbastic Mon 24-Jun-13 07:47:38

barking hope your lesson observation goes well! Sorry your lovely day out got baby-crashed yesterday angry. I really liked the link to the why-bumps-make-me-sad thread - yes, yes and yes, everything that it says (apart from the one ridiculous comment that everyone who gets annoyed is self-centred) is so bang-on. Gives me hope that I'm not some evil harridan for being so upset about announcements!

In answer to your question about DH, he's self-employed and runs fitness classes, reckons he can't find anyone to cover them for him on the Friday. Which would be fair enough if a) he didn't have about five squillion personal trainer friends and b) I hadn't given him 6 months' notice!

Kitty good to hear you've made a decision, sounds a very sensible one. You gotta do what you gotta do! And great news about Mr Blind's new job!

Tally glad you had a lovely Peruvian night, was expecting you to have baked guinea pig in chocolate sauce though!

Woke up ridiculously early today and now I'm feeling exhausted. Luckily I've got today and tomorrow off (got to work Sat/Sun in lieu bah) so going back to bed!

MrsB00Mbastic Mon 24-Jun-13 07:58:18

This is the best description ever from that thread.

'those lovely "my house is full of love and laughter, share if you think your life only has meaning now you have children" shiteo things that permeate FB'

MrsB00Mbastic Mon 24-Jun-13 09:37:33

Oh why did I do that? I just thought I should go and explore the big wide MN world and clicked on 'last 15 mins' - up pops the grads thread full of people who were once on the 'ttc after MC' thread that I used to be on, all about to drop. Staying firmly put with my lovely berries from now on!

MrsB00Mbastic Mon 24-Jun-13 14:01:32

Me again...sorry, this thread has turned into the boom show today...but I'm SO ANGRY!!

Last week when I had the hycosy the sonographer happened to mention that she'd send the results to a consultant I'd never heard of. I said 'I think my consultant is Miss X' to which she replied that the computer said I was under Mrs Y. Not that I care, I've never met any of the consultants anyway, but I thought I'd better check who I was going to see at my appointment next Mon so I phoned this morning. Apparently my appointment has been cancelled, and I've been discharged from consultant care! What the hell??!

Waiting for them to phone me back to tell me what's going on. If things aren't sorted quickly I'm going to kick up the mother of all shit-storms. angry angry angry but also sad that they clearly don't give a crap about their patients!

happylass Mon 24-Jun-13 16:45:59

Oh Boom that is pants. Hopefully it's just a misunderstanding and it will all be sorted when someone rings you back. If it isn't give them hell!!
Sid how was your temp looking this morning?
Barking hope the lesson obs went well. I had one first thing and only went and left my USB at home with all my resources on- doh!! Was fine though I just winged it!! Kids were amazing and had really good feedback so who needs a load of fancy resources! Just wish I hadn't wasted half my weekend making them!

IamKuma Mon 24-Jun-13 17:24:01

Hello Berries <pops head in from Germany, land of Gluckschmerz and real elderberry drinks>.

B00M how ridiculously annoying, have they phoned you back yet? FX for you.

aquarius catching up with a post a bit further up, I also have an arcuate uterus, so thats 3 of us on this thread?!

happy I went to a wedding where the groom refused a wedding ring, so the bride gave him cufflinks... quite unusual really! My DHs dad has never worn a wedding ring, I guess some men just don't like them?

Right, better go - it has taken me 30 mins to get through the back posts and I'm over here for work and need to do prep for tomorrow... eek.

SidneyBristow Mon 24-Jun-13 17:49:16

Boom that is outrageous!! Why on earth would they cancel it but not have a note in the system as to why!! That makes me so angry for you! They'd better have an incredibly good reason, and a very fast replacement appointment - otherwise you can post their phone number here on the thread and the berries can plague their office with crank phone calls! Only halfway kidding.

Happy good on you for a great presentation!

My temp went back up this morning, so big drop on CD23 (8dpo) and now back up to the temp I had had 2 days ago. Symptom-spotting like mad over here! This week just needs to hurry up and get over with so I know one way or the other what's going on.

MrsB00Mbastic Mon 24-Jun-13 17:54:24

Hello Kuma! Have a stein of beer or two for me! My dad doesn't have a wedding ring either, despite being happily married for 42 years. DH just really dislikes the thought of jewellery - I'd love him to wear one but I suppose it's not the most important part of a marriage even though it irks me

Happy how annoying to do all that prep for it not to be needed, still better than not doing the prep and needing it!

The hospital phoned back at last. Apparently it was just an admin cock-up and they've reinstated my appointment for the same day. Phew! Was so upset at the thought of MORE waiting while they sorted it out...

MrsB00Mbastic Mon 24-Jun-13 17:59:39

Sorry sid crossed with you! Thanks for the berry solidarity and offer of crank calls grin I've asked them to send me a confirmation letter so there can't be any mix-ups when I get there - I don't trust their admin skills at all!

Also asked them to send a copy of the hycosy scan report to my GP so I can pick up a copy and see what it says before the appointment. You should see my 'infertility file' - it's all colour coded with every single result and scan in it, a list of questions I want answered and a print-out of the NICE guidelines.. Let's see them argue with me about whether or not I have pcos this time! I hate being so confrontational but I feel it's the only way, last time they completely dismissed my concerns and left me feeling like an idiot even though I knew I was right.

I'm not a temper so I'm not sure, but I assume the temp drop could be implantation? Fingers crossed for you if so! xxx

happylass Mon 24-Jun-13 18:13:09

Ladies someone lunch me in the face quickly and remind me NEVER to stray off this thread again! Just wasted half an hour reading the whole of this thread which then lead on to this and I still haven't got a clue what's going on confused
Excellent news on the appointment Boom. Keeping everything crossed for you Sid.

Tallyra Mon 24-Jun-13 18:25:09

thank goodness you got that sorted, I know what it's like trying to get answers, and it is ridiculously hard. I am wondering where my bloods ate going now and the results from the investigation next week too, as I was sent to the wrong clinic before so won't be going back to that one. phonecalls will be happening soon too....

Bunnygirlie Mon 24-Jun-13 20:19:16

Hello! Whassup peeps?

BlindKitty Mon 24-Jun-13 20:31:57

Hi guys!!!

boom and barking stop making waste my evening by making me look at other posts! don't you know I'm too nosey to resist! I only have eyes for the berries and the brookers

Well, I like to share the love Kitty, and they had me up late last night so I thought they must be worth reading, why not share with the berries? wink.

Happy, you were warned, I'd already shared that lesson last night! wink

Boom sorry you had a shitty morning with that stupid admin mess, glad it's all sorted. I don't blame you at all for insisting on a written record of the appointment!!!

Well after a sleepless night the observation went very well and I'm back on target (60% of lessons observed need to be outstanding for me to pass my performance management, and so far this year I'd had one outstanding and one good, so the pressure was on). I was able to choose the focus this time though, so chose a subject I was confident with (and knew the deputy (observer) wasn't, so could impress easier!)

So I'm happy. Went for a short run, had a bath, and now uploading loads of photos from the weekend smile.

Bunnygirlie Mon 24-Jun-13 21:12:03

OMG I am so fed up! 

Reading the Daily Fail website and I really don't know why, it's all about Kim kanye and baby, Corries surrogate story, naked baby bump photos, the Saturdays bumps and babies, pg Fergie, poor Dan snows wife's mc.....

Was it really like this before we started TTC?!? 

MrsB00Mbastic Mon 24-Jun-13 21:25:50

Well done barking, glad it went well! Have some celebratory wine, I've opened a bottle of red to cook dinner with and am now drinking the 2/3 bottle that isn't in the stew!

Happy the amount of time I've spent today laughing at hamwidges. If I forget to write this dissertation I'm blaming you and barking!

kitty what's a brooker?

Tally they're ridiculous aren't they! It's no wonder I've got to the point where I'm phoning around ahead of them trying to get copies of my results. Hope you manage to get all of yours sent to the right place! When's your next appt?

Why are you reading the Daily Fail?!

<knows full well that although she was about to shutdown the laptop, she'll now have to have a quick look, just because someone mentioned it.....>

Sorry, that was addressed to Bunny, I didn't post quick enough!

Cheers Boom, I do have scones and strawberries and cream downstairs, and a lovely bottle of red, but I'm treating myself to an early night instead! Tonight I will be in bed (and off t'interweb) by 10!!!! shock

CharmingCats Mon 24-Jun-13 21:34:03

Evening! Loving the mad hamwich and rumur threads.....if you can't spell....
Told you about my teacher. Imagine soup with 30 8 year-olds and no thought from him. Then the infamous science experiment after lunch when it should have been PE. Polishing my halo.
I totally agree with that thread about how you feel when there's a pg announcement. I dread seeing people we haven't seen for a while as I think they'll make an announcement. It changes my feelings about the friendship as I can't share this momentous time with them or the baby. I feel it spells the end of the friendship as I know it as they will gravitate towards their parent friends, and see me with pity.

CharmingCats Mon 24-Jun-13 21:34:50

Well done on lesson obs, barking

happylass Mon 24-Jun-13 21:56:39

Boom I was literally crying at hamwidges!



Bread grin

Bunny step away from the Daily Fail and head over to the vege samwidges thread. Guaranteed to cheer you up!

SidneyBristow Mon 24-Jun-13 22:04:40

MN is responsible for sucking at least 2 hours out of my day, every day. It's a problem, but in my defense I consider it research on getting to know English customs and colloquialisms grin I'm itching for the chance to use the word 'hamwidge' to DH.

Yay to boom, glad it was just a mixup and not an evil plot to make you wait even longer!

applause for Barking!

Bunny I have the same thought on DFail; it's either all babies, all the time OR stories about how every woman except Gisele Bundchen and Bar Rafaeli are too fat.

Had a peek at the Berries graduate thread today, and they're expecting their first berry babies smile. Delivery announcements usually make me sad, but it's a boost to hear about people who've been where we are, and are now where we want to get.

So, to the tempers - how soon do you know whether AF is on the way? I think temps stay high til they drop, and AF is a day or so later, right? or are there signs to look for before that? It's making me a little nuts over here.

Bunnygirlie Mon 24-Jun-13 22:08:32

Ooooh a new thread to suck all my time away, where where where?!?!?

happylass Mon 24-Jun-13 22:12:41

Sid my temps usually stay high until a day or two after AF has started then drop drastically but I know it's more common for the temp to drop below the coverline before AF actually arrives. This has only happened to me once or twice! Sorry that's not very helpful! Are you tempted to PIMP at all? We'll be 10dpo tomorrow?!
Oh and just say to Mr Sid 'would you like a naice hamwidge for lunch tomorrow?!' smile

BlindKitty Mon 24-Jun-13 22:15:06

boom <whispers> it's other thread I go to <hangs head in shame> I can't help it, they're nice!!!!

bunny yes, I swear the world is forcing us to look at their baby bumps!!!!

charming I know what you mean, I still haven't plucked up the courage to see my pregnant friend after she announced her pregnancy on FB, despite her numerous requests to see me sad

happylass Mon 24-Jun-13 22:15:58

Bunny this is the hamwidge one and here is the rumers thread by the same OP. Be warned you may need to write off the next hour or so!

Aquarius1 Mon 24-Jun-13 22:19:54

Oh my... Think I pulled a muscle laughing at that rumers thread! And hamwidges??? Hilarious. Just what I need for a Monday night grin

OK, so I've blantantly not shut the laptop down but DP has gone across the road for beers at a mate's house (with my blessing, said mate went for a meal with one of my recently single mates on Sunday and I need gossip!!!) so he'll wake me up when he gets in anyway...

More importantly, I'm sat here laughing hysterically with tears streaming down my face. The Rumers.... WTF?!!??!

<so not taking my own advice again then>

IamKuma Mon 24-Jun-13 22:38:58

Noooo bunny try to resist.... Seriously it was like being sucked into a black hole; you need to keep reading because it seems impossible that the post could actually be real!

sid I don't know enough about temping to provide any useful feedback, but thinking lots of positive thoughts for you!

Bunnygirlie Mon 24-Jun-13 22:47:35

Omg!!! Had to stop reading the rumours one as it made me want to stab myself in the eyes!!!

Foodylicious Mon 24-Jun-13 22:51:36

Heard a good one today for people who bring your mood down, anyone else heard of the term..

'mood hoovers'

like it a lot and am going to make an effort to use it in conversation twice a week and see if it catches on grin

Foodylicious Mon 24-Jun-13 23:17:07

just read the hamwich and rumours threads, tee hee

Foodylicious Mon 24-Jun-13 23:22:33


Tallyra Mon 24-Jun-13 23:37:41

I never seem to get enough time to actually read and reply to things much at the moment.

Can't remember who asked, but my next appt is on 4th July, for the 'close inspection' of my inner parts. still not entirely sure what its called or whether I'll be put under for it or even recovery time and how soon we can dtd. hoping to call tomorrow and get a bit more info. I really want to read the rumer thread. but is late and my phone is dying sad

Frogcatcher Mon 24-Jun-13 23:45:51

Hey berries! I'm still lurking as your chats are waaaay more interesting than the pg thread I'm on & the grads are mostly about to pop so I don't really understand what they are talking about a lot of the time. I like to remain in blissful ignorance. grin

I'm now officially unemployed, over 36 & pg which I think qualifies me for a channel 5 documentary right?!

I've got off lightly on the sickness front with only mild nausea & killer tiredness but those symptoms have disappeared in the last couple of days (at 11 wks) so have now gone into a panic & booked a private scan for tmrw. I had one at 8 wks & it was amazing. No sign of my appt for my Nhs one - Nhs care once you're diffed does not seem any better than when you're TTC I'm afraid folks. I had my first midwife appt last wk & she seemed surprised when I said I'd been taking folic acid for 8 months - she was obviously used to instadiffers!

Oh & fwiw I upgraded to FF VIP for 3 months i think the month I got diffed. Sod's law worked for me.

All FX for you all & hope to see in the grads soon. It must be time for a BFP!

MrsB00Mbastic Tue 25-Jun-13 06:52:24

Oh Frog nice to see you! Glad to hear we're so much more exciting than the grads grin well we have a lot of non-pregnant time on our hands, don't have nurseries to colour-scheme or baby clothes to wash wink

<goes briefly into midwife mode> your dating scan should be between 11 and 13+6 weeks if you want the nuchal scan (Downs' screening) so if it's not arrived I'd phone the scan dept at the hospital and check you've been referred, have seen many a case of general ineptitude causing people to miss scans! <snaps out of it> Sorry all. This is why I'm not allowed to get PG, can you imagine the nightmare I'd be on the grads thread!

Glad to hear you've got a private one booked though frog, although angry that you've had to do it. Actually, thinking about it, if they haven't booked your (free) scan you could probably claim the private one back from the NHS as you're entitled to screening and they should sort it out! Once heard of a woman who employed a private midwife for a homebirth and claimed the whole £4000 back from the NHS because they wouldn't send her a homebirth midwife. Hope everything's fine, this is about the time those symptoms are supposed to disappear anyway smile x

Good to see I'm not the only one who wasted a significant portion of my life yesterday with the Widge threads!

This received yesterday from instadiffer friend after I sent congrats on her third pg: 'DH was booked in for the snip but we moved and he forgot his appointment then one little swimmer slipped the net' gaaaaah. Probably TMI to send to someone who's struggling...!

I need brekkie but DH has eaten all the food. It's a toss-up between a brown banana or a packet of Fox's crunch creams...

MrsB00Mbastic Tue 25-Jun-13 06:54:16

Ps foody - mood hoovers - brilliant!

Tally oh of course, I remember now. Hope you get more info today, hard to prepare for something when you don't know what it involves!

Hi all,

Just bobbing in to say hello. No news here - no appointments booked, no symptoms to spot (cd 9) no traumas happening. Should be good but is actually just boring!

boom your friend is a mood Hoover with that message. Whizz the banana up with milk and ice and drink it with the biccies?

Hiya frog, good to see you. Hope all goes well in the scan.

That rumers thread is amazing. Was hooting reading it but can't believe the OP is for real. She seems so earnest though...?

frog in this house we call such people a 'fun sponge' grin .

Frogcatcher Tue 25-Jun-13 07:51:21

boom thanks for the advice. Midwife said to contact her on weds if I hadn't heard anything as yes, obviously I need to be seen by 13+6. Basic private one near me is a bargain at £60 anyway.

barking yep I will admit to being a fun sponge. I don't get much now what with being stone cold sober, nice foods being banned, bedtime at 10pm & too tired for nights out. You will all know this soon enough! I promise never to moan about having a DC though as I know that it's not an easy road for many to get there. Good luck all & I'm back to lurking now once I've wasted time I should be doing my cv on hilarious MN threads!.

MrsB00Mbastic Tue 25-Jun-13 08:26:16

£60 is a bargain frog! Good luck getting your proper one too. Hope we can all join you being boring and cheggers soon (although I think barking meant foody - fun sponge being an alternative to 'mood hoover' as opposed to a word for the updiffed!)

Bunnygirlie Tue 25-Jun-13 08:34:45

Mood Hoover and fun sponge - hilarious! Unfortunately I can be both these quite often at the mo! 

Hey frog glad all ok and hope scan goes well! Any grads had theirs yet? They must be due any day!!!! 

So do you think we are so into reading the weird threads because this one is so quiet now?!? 

MrsB00Mbastic Tue 25-Jun-13 08:58:55

bunny I think the TTC thing seems to go in waves - we all go through lots of FC appointments and BFP news and then there seem to be long patches where we're all just....waiting....and waiting...and...

Let's hope July is going to be a month of action! Anyone due to pimp soon?

Maybe we should go on a berry recruitment drive!

IamKuma Tue 25-Jun-13 10:53:23

CD9 here so will be having another go with the OPKs from tomorrow and generally trying to DTD lots.... I'm back home tonight, but DH has been away too and I think arrives back late, I may have to stay up and have a welcome home party wink

Recruiting berries seems a bit of a weird concept, I don't want to wish my struggles on anybody else, plus at the ripe old age of 38, 99.99% of my friends already have kids anyway. I have a friend possible new recruit who is going to start TTC after her wedding next month; I've done my very best not to be negative about her current plans which involve getting instadiffed, although I might have told her to start now because it probably won't happen immediately. I may need to brace myself for a severe case of Gluckschmertz if she does get upduffed right away.... sigh, I feel bad that I feel like that confused.

Foodylicious Tue 25-Jun-13 10:56:01

barking something about fun sponge just sounds wrong! but so very apt too!
frog Hiiiiii! glad all is good with you

boom was thinking about you nearing the end of the study/placement/job nightmare. I can remember sooo looking forward to qualifying (am MH nurse)and just having to go to ridiculious 8-9 shifts between them both in a seven day week, just going from early at work to late on placement etc.

Although starting a new job was a bit nerve wrecking it was ace, after 3 years slogging yout guts out you get a bit of your life back...(at least until they are short at work and stay late, pick up over-time or are on seemingly endless nights tee hee!)

Really hope there are jobs near you out soon!!! have you applied for any yet??

thunder I know what you mean, its somehow better when there is something to stress over, at least I feel like I am doing something then. We are waiting until we are on holiday/after holiday before trying again, this waiting around just seems so pointless, but daren't try before as I would be awful if magically got pg and was soo far from home that early on.

all berries anyone for tennis?? - could not think of another sentence in which I would use tennis

Going to make a concerted effort not to be my own mood hoover today, wish me luck!
oh and i sanded most of the ceiling yesterday, off to finish that, then wash it and on with the priming, will have arms of steel by the time I finish! phwarrrr!

Foodylicious Tue 25-Jun-13 11:04:29

hugs kuma totally know what you mean! within 12 months 9 people I know had babies, also my sister and sister in law had babies a few days apart in Feb, another sister in law is due in Nov, a friend last week and one due any day.
Honestly have wished the best for them all before, during and after but GOD its SOOOO confused & hmm with lots of envy, sad & smile, shock all at once.

Oh and have fun with welcome home party blush

Foodylicious Tue 25-Jun-13 11:10:54

As if FB is not full of friends babies enough, friends daughters are having them too!!!

Foodylicious Tue 25-Jun-13 11:12:48

Anyone else on the CLoL at the moment??, have dragged myself off the SoP for today at least

MrsB00Mbastic Tue 25-Jun-13 12:31:33

I'll join you foody...I'm hovering around the PoP but can't quite bring myself to sit on it until I see the doctor next week!

Bored of this dissertation now. Bored, bored, bored, bored, bored, bored.

Someone entertain me. Or at least bring me a hamwidge.

Bunnygirlie Tue 25-Jun-13 13:00:54

Oh for goodness sake!!! I called my hairdresser to book appt and she is on maternity leave!!!!!!!!! I didn't know she was pg sad

I guess I'm hovering between the CLoL and PoP, CD8 I think and awaiting DHs test results so we can book to see doctor and see if she will refer us (she better bloody do)

Foodylicious Tue 25-Jun-13 15:00:17

bunny when we saw the doc about being referred they said we would be referred to fc after OHs results regardless of what they were - they have kind of already acknowledged your need/want for referral!
Also in the really, really unlikely event the doc you see says no, just say 3 little words "second opinion please!"

here boom have a hamwidge, do you want mustard?? whats the dissertation on??
Anyone good at massages? my neck and shoulders are really stiff.
Ceiling sanded and washed, on with the priming.

PuppyMummy Tue 25-Jun-13 16:27:34

Hi all just a quick update
bunny we got the referral alongside the sperm test, didnt have to wait for the result...

We hav been offered ivf. thought it would then take ages for the appointment but got one for July so thats good. that will be to discuss options.
oh also doing another sperm test so they can decide what will work best.

cd5 here so in the meantime about to start dtd for another cycle.

IamKuma Tue 25-Jun-13 17:14:16

I've got one buttock on the PoP....

foody that does sound like baby overload confused. Most of my friends kids are out of baby stage now; one is pregnant with her second but I know she had IVF for her first so she falls outside my Gluckschmerz radar... Its my SiL's new baby that is the most challenging for me as DH has bought lots of presents and keeps telling everybody how awesome his nephew is, which makes me feel rather inadequate. Ho Hum, must drag other buttock off SoP and onto PoP!

SidneyBristow Tue 25-Jun-13 18:27:01

Puppy wow so exciting, IVF ball rolling for you next month!!! Congrats!

frogcatcher hey you! Glad to hear about the scan & the fatigue shifting. I had a quick scan of the grads thread the other day & couldn't follow it either, it really is a whole new set of info from this TTC stuff isn't it!!

Boom step away from the MN threads, step away from the MN threads or if not then I can refer you to one that'll eat up at least 3 hours and will have you laughing and crying and maybe even gasping in horror but I won't breathe a word of it as long as you have dissertation work to do, so get on it lady bc I'm dying to share!!

Kuma sad re: the nephew comments; that'd make me a little sad too but at least you have a glimpse as to how psyched he'll be when he's a daddy!

Bunny same thing happened to me with my old gyn!! How dare they! wink

CD25 here. Temp dropped a tiny bit, and felt a weird cramp in the night. Would love to PIMP but am afraid it'll be neg which'll send me on a crying jag that I haven't got time/privacy for. SKs here most nights this week except tonight, and DH and I are going out. Nevermind that I'm too tired for words. Can't turn down the chance to eat out with someone who doesn't need help cutting their meat!

MrsB00Mbastic Tue 25-Jun-13 18:28:29

foody my hero! Thank you for the widge <snaffle> would you like a shoulder rub in return?

So dissertation is on the thrilling topic 'Does synthetic oxytocin given in labour affect breastfeeding success?' Have to find all studies done on the topic, analyse, criticise and synthesise them and reach a conclusion (conclusion will always be 'more research is needed). 10,000 words of sheer joy and statistical tests BLAH! No jobs have been released from the hospitals I want yet - I'm being picky, which I probably can't afford to be, but realistically I struggle to drive home safely after a night shift at my training hospital, going further afield really isn't an option. Fingers crossed that they release some at Leeds before I graduate..

Puppy that's great news, sounds like it's happening pretty fast too! Are you excited?

Kuma, foody, sympathy for the baby surplus!

Bunny have you phoned for the results? Because no bugger has ever phoned me ever with results from any test I've had, I always have to chase them myself or I'd still be waiting 4 months later hence my crazy lady folder full of every result I've ever had

Right, off to take the dog to play with tennis <self congratulates for excellent use of new emoticon] and then going round to my friend's for a brew and a chinwag. Hopefully her 3 kids will be in bed and she doesn't have any pg news to spring on me!

MrsB00Mbastic Tue 25-Jun-13 18:32:43

Oh sorry Sid, always seem to cross with you! I have all digits crossed for you, hope all this temping/twinging are portentous of good things..!

and if you wanted to post the link to the timewasting thread then I might be secretly grateful for the break in essay monotony

Argh!! No, frog, I wasn't calling you a fun sponge!!!!! Sorry, my mistake when replying on the run... I meant to reply to foody, comparing her 'mood hoover' to our term of 'fun sponge' (meaning someone sucking all the fun out of everything rather than killing the mood, but very similar). I wasn't making any comment about you!!! Sorry!!! blush

SidneyBristow Tue 25-Jun-13 20:09:59

Aww thanks boom. I'm in the middle of an inexplicable crying jag and you made me feel better by calling my cramp a 'twinge'. Sounds much more hopeful so thanks

And here you are; your wish is my command!

Super Dramatic Timewasting Thread That's Totalky Worth the Read

BlindKitty Tue 25-Jun-13 20:12:49

barking if your dh is anything like mine his data gathering will be useless!!! Mine is rubbish at getting gossip!

frog was only wondering about you the other day! Basically we need to all get diffed and start our own grad group. Oh and I've been taking folic acid for 2 years (and counting)!

boom /foody yes, agree, qualifying is an AMAZING feeling! Then suddenly your qualified and you've got to be a REAL health care professional!

boom agree with thubder, defo a mood Hoover friend!!!! A friend of mine referred to his child the other day as 'the abortion that got away' dh thought it was hilarious but I obviously feel differently lol

Was chatting with one of the young nurses today who was telling me how she hasn't had a period in months and she loves it. Didn't have the heart to tell her she'd change her mind once she wanted kids x

Bunnygirlie Tue 25-Jun-13 20:13:59

Evening my lovelies!

DH is going to call docs tomorrow to chase results and then I will make an appointment. My old doctor did say we would be referred whatever DH results say so hopefully my new doctor will be just as nice!

Ooh puppy ivf, how exciting! Remind us how long you have been TTC? 

Sid I loved that thread! She sounds like a lovely woman, and depending on her age could be a berry!! Fingers crossed for you.... flowers

Puppy Ooo, we're nearly in July!! How exciting!! What date is your appointment? grin

foody we've got a weird should we wait? thing going on (answer being no!) - DP's best mate is getting married abroad next year, he's marrying a teacher so it'll either be Easter or end of May/beginning of June. We both got excited about it then DP said 'well you won't be going, we'll have a baby by then' so I pointed out that no, we probably wouldn't. Obviously we're still not trying this cycle (little matter of stitches and scabs on the key instrument), and next cycle probably won't start until mid/late July so earliest we could be pg is August, which would potentially be a May baby. That would basically make me too pg to fly for an April wedding, and too soon after the birth for a May/June wedding!! If we got pg in September it would still cancel out both dates given they involve a flight and a week away.

Bring on the sods law BFP in August!!!! grin I'll choose to ignore that we'll be spending most of August in a tent in California and dtd discretely or comfortably won't be easy

BlindKitty Tue 25-Jun-13 21:16:01

puppy MASSIVELY jealous of your ivf. I'm currently waiti g for iui which I have absolutely no faith in! Keep toying with the idea of going private.

barking I second the no to waiting! You've waited long enough!!!

Got so many friends at the momen, mid 30s and in no rush to settle yet defo want babies when they do. Really struggling to bit my tongue. Know I shouldn't tell them to hurry but I don't want them to be in my situation

Bunnygirlie Tue 25-Jun-13 21:37:40

barking I concur, bring on the sods law BFP!!!!

I've been reading the thread about reactions to pg announcements, it seems what I feel (what we all feel) is so very common and struggling to concieve is so common too, why do we never hear much about it?!?

IamKuma Tue 25-Jun-13 22:19:03

bunny I suppose people generally don't like to publicly talk about what feels like failure? Is it just a British thing? Do the Berries from overseas have any thoughts on that? sid?

When the media report it it seems that it's along the lines of 'selfish old people don't conceive quickly yet they spent all of their youth getting drunk/having fun/having a career and thus don't deserve any help'. So when given such a negative slant its hardly surprising we don't feel like discussing it much; yet I imagine that the majority waited due to circumstances rather than by active choice?

I've only had every had two conversations with friends which touched on their trouble conceiving, and one of them was with a male friend of mine whose wife was struggling.

When I tried to broach the subject with my best mate, a mother of 3, she brushed off the thought that I might be trying but not succeeding in TTC, so maybe the instadiffers around us really don't get it?

Bunnygirlie Tue 25-Jun-13 22:32:46

kuma yep I guess it's an odd one. Maybe once to get your baby you don't care how it got here?!?

That's why I worry about telling people in RL, if anybody was to say just relax, or it'll happen one day or something like that I would want to lunch them in the face! My one friend who does know got pg the month after her wedding so I guess she is an instadiffer but she has been really sweet.

I guess I'm the exception. Pretty much all my closer friends know we're trying, and that we've been for tests etc. I'll talk about it to anyone really if they ask, unless there's a reason not to, eg at work I wouldn't for career/political reasons, and newly married couples I'm always wary of as I'm scared they're already pg but not telling anyone yet, so I'd be going on about fertility problems while they're pg but keeping their mouth shut. Learnt that one the hard way. sad

PuppyMummy Wed 26-Jun-13 07:06:52

morning all.

bunny we have been trying about a year and 4 months, but I hav a short 22-24 day cycle so its a lot of cycles (I stopped counting at about 15!)

It has been quite quick as initial FC appt was early March. we're 'unexplained'. had one result of low morphology on first sperm test but second was normal. all my tests in normal range although estrogen at low end of normal.

im not excited yet! my worry is that its a lot of stress for a small chance and we only get one go (on nhs). I just can't believe that it could actually happen after so many cycles...

BlindKitty Wed 26-Jun-13 07:07:19

I'm with barking, everyone knows about our situation expect my new work (only because I'm worried they'll think less of me as I'll be off on maternity) and dh's parents/ my dad (only because we haven't found the right time to tell them). I'm a big believer in using my friends for free therapy and vice versa!

Morning all,


We going to start laying this yellow brick road out again then? <starts mixing cement>

I am proper chuckling at the misunderstanding of barking calling frog a fun sponge. Ha!!

boom good luck with the writing

sid sorry you've been feeling upset. Maybe if you're emotional anyway it would be worth poas to know either way? Btw never heard of crying 'jag' before. Please say its short for jaguar?

puppy its VERY exciting about the ivf!

bunny are you calling this morning then? Whenwhenwhenwhenwhenwhen????

barking ouch about learning that the hard way. That must have been really upsetting and awkward. I hate it when you kind of know your mate's pregnant but not saying it yet. Phhhbbbb

I echo the sentiments of the thread about glucksmerz at other people's pregnancy news. And the worse bit for me is hating myself for feeling it- for not just feeling happy for the other person but letting it reflect upon my own failures. <sigh>

Not so sure about the yellow bricklaying now after all
<puts down hod>

Tallyra Wed 26-Jun-13 08:15:34

angry Pick that hod back up thunder. Its normal and you are fine and this cycle is going to be the one. grin

In other news, I misread my letter and the appt next week is only the pre assessment, not the actual procedure. That's not til the 24th. But at least I've finished school by then so I don't have to go over the news all over again.

Tallyra Wed 26-Jun-13 08:26:13

This'll make you laugh. I got my referral letter copy from the consultant to the hospital recommending this investigation and I have a feeling I know why I'm being seen so quickly. She thinks I'm 43, not 33. Unless it was a typo, which is unlikely. Or maybe she did it accidentally on purpose? Yes, that's what I'd like to think.

Aquarius1 Wed 26-Jun-13 08:54:54

puppy I m nearly at a similar stage to you - ttc 15 mths ish and awaiting referral to FC (just need to get dh to get jizz test). I know what you mean about not being able to imagine it happening. that's v exciting for you that things are moving forwards and I hope you don't have to wait too much longer for the end result...

barking and blind I've told friends and family too- I agree it's free therapy (even if your friend just pours you another glass of wine)

Tmi alert - Have been up since 3.30 with AF and her fanfare of cramps and diarrhoea. Sodding sod- just feels a bit endless all of this monthly misery. <^kicks yellow bricks of positivity, Stubs toe and sheepishly puts them back, Slouches off to find beanbag of grumpiness that someone invented a few threads back^>

Ahh tally that does make sense that you get a pre assessment. I was wondering about that because its clearly quite a major investigation but you hadn't been given any details about it. Nice one about the 'mistake' too.

Oh bugger aquarius that's simply not fair. And you must be knackered to boot. Snuggle up with one of tally's quilts.

Bunnygirlie Wed 26-Jun-13 13:02:05

Aquarius sorry to hear you are on the BoG with AF

I think I might join you! DH spoke to docs, not much sperm in his sample although apparently you don't need much but he has been told to exercise, wear baggy stuff and cut down on the booze (which he most impressed about NOT). AND we can't get an appt with female doctor till next friday grrrrrrrrr

Is that the fc appointment bunny or is the female doctor something else? Sorry if I'm being slow...!

SidneyBristow Wed 26-Jun-13 14:54:10

Temp dipped so I PIMPed and it looks like I'm out. It's still early so I suppose it could be a false neg but I'm not holding my breath. AF nowhere in sight but I'm getting my mooncup ready just in case. How effing depressing.

Thunder a crying jag is just an uncontrollable sobfest, kind of like what a rant is to being angry - only a crying jag leaves you with puffy eyes and a dull headache sad I'll just be sitting here on the SoP for a few days, taking a break from it all. Better luck to you Happy and all the rest of you who are getting ready for whatever comes next.

ps Tally of all the times to be mistaken for older than you are, I'd say you picked the most awesome!! grin

thanks to Aqua & Sid

Bunny that's really quick! You have to be trying 2 years where I am (as well as meet a whole list of other criteria) before you even get referred to the assisted conception unit! Then you have to wait for an appointment, then you go on the IVF waiting list! Did they not throw clomid at you first? 6 months on clomid is another on the criteria list for onward referral round here...

Bunnygirlie Wed 26-Jun-13 18:11:36

No don't get excited, it's just to talk to the docs about getting referred to the FC! I bet that will then take months!!!!

CharmingCats Wed 26-Jun-13 18:27:29

Ello! Loved the thread referrals... Do you think hamwich/rumers woman was for real?

I can tell you about my job now - it's out in the open. I'm doing 12 month maternity cover (I know, the irony), class teacher role from sept! Hurrah! Staying at current school, so I know everyone. Was worried there would be some fallout about having been a TA, then becoming a teacher, but everyone has been soooo nice to me. My TA for next year is someone I really like anyway, so am chuffed. Obvs still hoping for some summer holiday diffment (diffwich?), but nice to have something to look forward to. My year colleague is the one who announced his wife's pg a couple of weeks ago, but at least he doesn't have a bump....
barking keep going with the ttc. I was considering not trying for a couple of months to ensure I can get thru next school year, but pah!
Cd14 here and have got that feeling before ewcm appears. I think.... Would be a bloody miracle to have a normal length cycle, but would prove the metformin works.
Love to you all

Bunnygirlie Wed 26-Jun-13 19:06:13

Yay for the job cats whoop whoop

Fed up here! Work was pants today and wanted to cry for no reason ther than my computer wouldn't work, I guess DHs spern being perhaps crappy didn't help either sad

TMI question - after DTD and lying with pillow under hips, do you then feel ok to go for a wee without feeling that all the good stuff will fallen out?!?

Tallyra Wed 26-Jun-13 19:34:36

angry Grrr. even the Argos aliens are having a baby....

Pipbin Wed 26-Jun-13 20:42:11

Hi guys, how long has it been since our last BFP?

Bunny The thinking is that after about 10 minutes all the chaps that are worth the effort have got to where they are going and going for a wee is ok. How people ever get knocked up behind the bins at Maccy D's I'll never know.

BlindKitty Wed 26-Jun-13 20:43:48

bunny I make sure I have a wee first so I don't need to afterwards! Although hey, it's not like its working for me lol!

Tally good work! Silly doc for not looking at your date of birth!!!! Hate the Argos adverts anyway! REALLY hate the clearblue advert with clearblue f***ing Clare - she needs a good slap!!!

BlindKitty Wed 26-Jun-13 20:46:54

pip pmsl at the bins behind maccy ds!!!

Right kids, I'm going to due my hair black eeek!!!! Aiming for Natalie off 'the valleys' (yeh I know, don't judge me), just hoping I won't look like an emo! Told you I'm having a pre mid life crisis!!!!

Bunnygirlie Wed 26-Jun-13 21:09:01

OMG tally I JUST SAID THAT TO MY HUBBY!!! Fecking Argos aliens!

pip it feels like years!!! Lol at the MaccyD bins, do you think they all call their children Ronald?!???

Bunnygirlie Wed 26-Jun-13 21:13:02

<settles onto the SoP with a cuppa and some drugs> think I am getting a cold, great timing for DTD week!

CharmingCats Wed 26-Jun-13 21:13:54

Baby alien is cute, though, no?

BlindKitty Wed 26-Jun-13 21:26:50

I think I speak for everyone when I say NO!!!!! smile

Frogcatcher Wed 26-Jun-13 21:27:51

Berries even I am irritated by the Argos aliens & the advert is squarely aimed at me!
Just been scrutinising my FF chart again (yes it never stops!) cos my second scan dated me even further along than my first & I know that can't be right unless the OPKs lied. I just can't bring myself to say to them 'look don't be ridiculous as I know the exact date of ovulation/conception as I was a temping & OPK obsessed Berry don't ya know'. blush

MrsB00Mbastic Wed 26-Jun-13 21:46:31

Oh Aqua, Sid, sorry this hasn't been your month. wine?

I've missed the Argos alien baby. Unfortunately I haven't missed Clearblue Clare, if I ever met her I'd ram that peestick where the sun don't shine. Oh and 'doctors' don't date your pregnancy - sonographers and midwives do. Idiot... <grumbles off into the distance>

Bunny sorry to hear the news about Mr Bunny's swimmers. Sure a couple of weeks off the booze will sort them out, they're probably all hungover if he's anything like Mr Boom

Bwaha Pip, nothing gets you knocked up like a Big-Mac fuelled knee-trembler against a greasy wheelie bin! Soon to be offered on the NHS in lieu of IVF due to budget cuts!

(Oh and there have been NO BFPs since Frog got tadpoled up, so 8 weeks or so! We must be due a BFP rush soon...surely...

Ha Tally well I'm glad the foolish doctor got you a queue-jump pass!

Kitty I've had mine black before and managed to look non-emo (I am the least angry-looking person ever though, so maybe the cheesy grin helped!)

Bunnygirlie Wed 26-Jun-13 21:48:24

Ugh I haven't even seen the ad, I saw it on twitter !

So what did the scan say then frog ?

BlindKitty Wed 26-Jun-13 21:51:44

frog I'm so obsessed with ff! My graphs are so erratic yet I'm still obsessed! Really should just give up!

BlindKitty Wed 26-Jun-13 21:56:15

boom that's reassuring. Started to panic I've made the wrong decision!!!!

Bunnygirlie Wed 26-Jun-13 21:59:49

Thanks boomam hoping now doctor has told DH he will cut back properly!!!

BlindKitty Wed 26-Jun-13 22:26:39

bunny was it dh's count that was low? My dh's morphology is low

Tallyra Wed 26-Jun-13 22:32:13

frog, they will never believe you even if you do tell them the exact date. I tried that the first couple of times. on the third time I gave up and just agreed with them.

Bunnygirlie Wed 26-Jun-13 22:37:23

kitty DH said that doctor said not much sperm in sample, is that morphology? I will have to ask more questions when we go in next week.

BlindKitty Wed 26-Jun-13 22:40:30

Hmm maybe. We asked for a breakdown. Although sa can change all the time so try not to worry about it. Be grateful your dh isn't at glasto, completely obliterating any sperm he has left unlike mine!!!!

Frogcatcher Wed 26-Jun-13 23:31:39

bunny sonographer said 11wks 5 days. I know I got first positive OPK on 22 April which was CD14 & the day that FF gave me my crosshairs. Temp went below cover line on 22nd & back up on 23rd. That means that actual conception was 22 or 23 & I should therefore be 11+1 at most.

Oh & just FYI for PIMPing purposes I got my first positive IC at 11DPO & I'd had a negative on 10dpo. I think i kept the sticks & am available for comparison experiments if required!

PuppyMummy Thu 27-Jun-13 07:00:53

bunny morphology is the shape of the sperm.

'not much sperm' would suggest low count rather than anything wrong with the ones that are there.
Don't worry too much this time though, OH had one test that came back with low morphology then the second one was normal FC is happy with this.

happylass Thu 27-Jun-13 07:28:07

Morning all. Had a manic few days so just having a little catch up over breakfast. Good news on he IVF Puppy. Hopefully we'll see a few BFPs in here soon, it's been way too long!
Cracked and PIMPed this morning. BFN of course. Starting to get cramps anyway which means she'll be here in a day or two sad. So much for us getting out of here this week eh Sid?! Had a bit of a blub earlier for the first time in a while and haven't even told DP yet - seeing his disappointment usually sets me off big time! Hate that something that started off so exciting and special for us has turned in to a nightmare! But hey ho there are others far worse off and I'm so grateful for everything that I have got . Sorry to start the day so negatively, have a good one all!

Bunnygirlie Thu 27-Jun-13 08:18:36

Morning! Thanks for the reassurance puppy

Good to see you happy sorry to hear you aren't happy sad It really is a horrid experience!

Deffo getting a cold here, now the question is to take drugs/echinacea or not? Do they affect ovulation etc?!? I may have to head to dr google!

Bunnygirlie Thu 27-Jun-13 13:07:27

not much happening in here today!

I'm not here as I'm working very hard on my stupid uni assignment. Definitely don't have time to be on MN.


SidneyBristow Thu 27-Jun-13 14:57:18

Bunny sorry you're sick; the only thing I remember about cold medicines/TTC is that antihisthamines dry up cervical fluid, so watch out for those. Sorry, not that helpful!

Happy moving over to give you room on the SoP. I really thought you and I both would get lucky this month sad AF still not here although cramps are horrific. God forbid she shows up tonight during my dance class <shudders in mortification pre-emptively>

Frog my fellow SMother! my FF chart sounds a lot like yours, although obv w/o the pregnancy. I PIMPed yesterday, got a neg and was cheered to see you'd negged on 10DPO but crampiness is making me PIMPing today a little too much to hope for.

very down about it all as this was our cycle 12, so now time to get drs involved, and I'm torn about it. Can't face telling my parents but really sick of the 'anything to tell me?' questions from both Ps & PILs, as though their disappointment is greater than ours.

Has anyone read the new NICE guidelines re: IVF that went into effect April 2013?

SidneyBristow Thu 27-Jun-13 15:04:10
happylass Thu 27-Jun-13 16:20:40

<wanders in and plonks self down on sofa of pity whilst eyeing up the rug of rage and the bubble bath of gloom>. Thanks for budging up on the sofa Sid. I was convinced this may be our month too. No actual sign of AF here but not really expected til late tomorrow/early Saturday. This is cycle 11 and cycle 12 is to be our last before taking a break for wedding purposes. DP going away for part of the next shag week though so not holding my breath there sad. Forget this year, I may well not be getting a baby next year either the way things are goin!?!
How's everyone else doing? Seems these days we're waiting for news of each others appointments rather than PIMPing results. How depressing!

SidneyBristow Thu 27-Jun-13 17:20:13

sad happy next month might be out for us too as our whole month is either spent traveling, or getting ready to travel. And not to romantic getaways in the South Seas, either, unfortch. Le sigh.

Seriously though, some of the NiCE stuff might have bearing on when we're eligible for testing/what kind etc so I'm eager to know if anyone else has read it - I didn't even know bout it til I clocked through to it from MN - or if their GP's have mentioned it to them. Anyone?

Frogcatcher Thu 27-Jun-13 19:12:48

Oh & sid my morning cd11 PIMP result was so pale I could have been making it up but I did it again after work & there was a definite faint line. FMU not always best it seems!

Bunnygirlie Thu 27-Jun-13 19:48:04

<sitting under the duvet of despair>

CD10 so should be getting jiggy but don't really feel like it [need an ill face]

sid sorry to hear AF may be coming,May was our cycle 12 so I know how you feel. You kind of just feel like it isn't going to happen without some help don't you!

happy sorry you are blue too, let's all snuggle on the sofa with chocolate and wine!!! Yep funny how all talk of PIMPing has gone and it's all about FC referrals!

MrsB00Mbastic Thu 27-Jun-13 20:34:28

Evening all!

Oh dear, there is definitely a dismal cloud hovering over the berries at the moment! Sorry that everyone's feeling so down. I'm still feeling hopeful about Monday's appointment and the prospect of clomid/metformin although if I don't get them I dread to think of the monumental breakdown I shall be having. So maybe I'll be back in the pimping game next cycle - this one is a write-off thanks to the hycosy, so no point even pretending there's any immediate hope!

Sid the NICE guidelines are good to know about but unfortunately they're only guidelines, they don't have to follow them. Eg they recommend that infertile couples are offered two rounds of IVF on NHS, but my area doesn't even offer one round and I'm desperately hoping we don't get to that point because we can't afford it. Still worth finding bits that are relevant to you before you go to fight with see the docs though. I'm taking a copy of the guidelines on pcos diagnosis and clomid/metformin with me on Mon and will wave them around under their noses if they dare argue with me!

Anyone seen barking? She certainly isn't hanging round here at the moment wink

Bunnygirlie Thu 27-Jun-13 21:03:09

I am picturing berry HQ with a rain cloud over it like the cloud over the sad carebear like when we little!

BlindKitty Thu 27-Jun-13 21:03:32

Hi guys!!!

Well you'll be pleased to know I've been to see my pregnant friend tonight (who I've been avoiding), although she was super sensitive with me (only talked about the baby when I asked, didn't shove the scan photo in my face and didn't once ask the dreaded question about how ttc is going! Feel a bit sad she didn't speak freely with me but glad I've seen her and didn't feel like i'd died inside!

Rookie question (should really know the answer after 24 months of ttc) but when is the earliest point you could get a bfp on a hpt? Know you don't get implantation until 10 dpo bit could it happen sooner?

Bunny throws tissues and hot lemon from other side of room for fear of contracting said illness

sid wish you'd said re antihistamines before I practically od'd on them on hol! Had no idea!

boom no cloud of doom here, nor am I especially hopeful. This month off is defo helping!

MrsB00Mbastic Thu 27-Jun-13 21:09:18

Glad you survived kitty! My BFP was about 8dpo according to my scan dates, although don't know if that was accurate because it was back in the day when I thought having a baby was easy and had never heard of an OPK..

Pipbin Thu 27-Jun-13 21:24:38

Will everyone on the telly stop with the fecking babies already. Even the sodding Argos poxy aliens are updiffed.

Well I got the dates through from the clinic today. I have my first scan in a month and I get weighed then too. My BMI is 29.5 and if it's above 30 when i get weighed then i get sent home!

Kitty As I understand it you can't get a BFP before implantation as your body doesn't know you're pregnant before then. Not that I've ever had a BFP.........................

Bunnygirlie Thu 27-Jun-13 21:45:08

Glad your visit with pg friend wasn't too bad kitty! Luckily all my close friends have had their babies now (3 since we've been TTC) so unless there are any surprises coming I should be ok apart from the royal baby and various school friends on good old bookface!

Ooh pip not long then! Guess you'll be having a salad month, I won't offer biscuit have some flowers instead

Apparently paracetamol can affect ovulation so I'm screwed (not in a good way)! angry

BlindKitty Thu 27-Jun-13 21:48:46

Yeh thought you'd say that! Got this festival thing on sat and really want to go mad! Prob is I'll only be 9dpo. Will be Sod's law that this is the one time in 24 months I get diffed!

MrsB00Mbastic Thu 27-Jun-13 22:08:52

Random grumble! I always listen to our local radio station when I'm driving to/from work - it's mindless, but I like the cheesy music. Irritatingly, all the DJs seem to have decided to become first-time parents in synchrony within the last 8 weeks. So driving to work this morning - boring baby anecdotes on breakfast show! Driving home again - boring baby anecdotes about different baby on drive time! Just had late show on in kitchen - AAARGH, third DJ prattling about his bloody boring baby anecdotes!!

Time to start listening to Radio Childless...

SidneyBristow Thu 27-Jun-13 22:14:27

bunny where did you see that about paracetamol? I've had a neurologist & GP both tell me it's fine to take while ttc, and even when pg. they'd better have been correct as I usually have several a week!!

Thanks for the info boom. My area has had major changes lately and i thought about calling the Trust to ask what their new policy is (if any). My hope at the moment is that my gp will authorize an HSG bc in our case thus far, our tests results don't indicate anything other than 'unexplained'. If they won't, then we're going straight to private. I'm 38 and could scrabble the money together (although it would hurt), but I can't make myself any younger. I don't want to jump the gun and am to really emotionally prepared for giving up natural conception just yet, but at my age I just feel like things need to start happening soon-ish if there's even a prayer for 2 Baby Bristows. Sometimes 1 seems like a pipe dream. How different my entire life would be if DH and I had actually spoken to each other the first time we met when we were 25...

blind the antihistamine thing only affects cervical mucus, which I suppose you could replace by using pre-seed - all is not lost!

pip I will known you on the Dieting Divan. My bmi is higher than I'd like and the prospect of being weighed is enough to make me get DH to hide my Green & Black's stash blush

BlindKitty Thu 27-Jun-13 22:15:32

Ah but boom you'll be preggers soon and you'll be chuckling along to them in no time!

MrsB00Mbastic Thu 27-Jun-13 22:35:26

kitty not sure even getting diffed would induce me to find 'my baby wee'd/puked/pooed on me' stories chuckleworthy! Oh and for what it's worth, I say go and enjoy yourself at the festival...worth splashing out on a frer maybe, that might show up at 9dpo..

sid I think it's fair to ask for HSG, no idea on the actual guidelines though.

Right, bedtime for this tired berry! Night all x

Frogcatcher Thu 27-Jun-13 23:06:33

kitty I used the uber sensitive ICs & didn't get a positive till 11DPO. At 10DPO it was definitely still a BFN. However, if implantation hasn't happened yet its my understanding that nothing can cross from you to fetus. I say just go for it. I had wine & a couple of DP's menthol cigarettes blush in the week before I knew as I was so convinced it wasn't going to happen. Bean has stuck so far. Sounds like you need a good blow-out to me!

Bunnygirlie Fri 28-Jun-13 08:48:22

sid I saw it on a few sites but if a doc has told you it's ok maybe it is!

Still feeling crap here sad gosh I hate summer colds! Him upstairs must really hate me to make me I'll during shag week! Guess that's cycle 14 down the toilet (sob) 

I really shouldn't listen to the local radio station, for weeks now they have been going on and on about adoption, it's like they are shouting at me GIVE UP, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN FOR YOU, YOU SHOULD ADOPT!!!

GooseyD Fri 28-Jun-13 09:03:57

Hi Berries, I have to confess I havent done a catch up. I hope you're all well and mainly on the yellow brick road? Any Berry bfps? That would cheer me up.

Do you remember the conversation about marital status being irrelevant in lists, which I agree with by the way - the bit that turns out to be less true is that you've got to assume there's a man in the equation somewhere. Officially since Monday I'm 2yrs TTC, sweeties in the cupboard but NO partner.

I am up and down and not sure whether mn can be a comfort or just too hard, but I wanted to let you know why I disappeared. The last 2 months have been pretty tough.

MrsB00Mbastic Fri 28-Jun-13 09:41:16

Oh Goosey, I'm so so sorry to hear that. I won't nosy into the circumstances unless you want to tell us but I think I speak for all berries when I say please do stay and unload on us if you need to and if you can put up with the ttc conversation. There are always hugs and wine at least! Can't imagine how hard you must be finding things. Sending you shedloads of hugs xxx

(oh and no BFPs I'm afraid, much though I'd love to cheer you up!)

happylass Fri 28-Jun-13 10:59:51

Oh Goosey I'm so sorry to hear that. Just to echo what Boom said - we're all here if and when you need us but totally understand if being on here is too much. Surround yourself with friends and family and take good care of yourself. Sending you thanks and lots of hugs xx

Brodicea Fri 28-Jun-13 11:49:04

Sorry to hear that Goosey.

I dip in and out too as sometimes I feel to sad to see how many of us are in the same boat, and also deeply envious of other peoples BFPs (selfish I know).

I managed to lull myself into imagining I was upduffed this month, despite vowing NEVER to allow myself to get carried away.... and then this morning, the sore boobs were less sore and there was a little bit of blood when I wiped.... sad

Looking forward to after AF when I begin to feel my optimism levels recalibrate. And am very happy to have this lot to moan too when the world seems to be full of pregnant bellies or people saying 'you'd better hurry up then'!

SidneyBristow Fri 28-Jun-13 11:51:21

Goosey I'm so sorry, sending massive hugs your way, take all the time you need but if sharing your worries will make you feel any better, Boom is right, we're all happy to help if we can thanks

Hello all.

bunny I was told paracetamol ok for pregnancy too, but when I was poorly the nurse recommended regular amounts of good local honey, particularly with hot water and fresh lemon. Also, it's wayy after implantation that things pass to foetus, its something like 8-10 weeks that placenta starts kicking in. I know that's not the point when considering what to avoid during ttc, just thought I'd add it in.

goosey I'm so sorry to hear that. I was wondering where you were. I echo the others in sending lots of love and being open ears to chatting about it or not if you want. <hug>

Cd 12ish here and no dtd yet. Not good eh? Hmmmm.

Instadiff news just in over here. From a lovely friend who decided a few of months ago to have a baby and was getting impatient that it hadnt worked after one month. I feel like an absolute shit for being upset but it doesn't stop me sobbing. sad

Bunnygirlie Fri 28-Jun-13 13:27:51

Oh Goosey so sorry to hear your news, I echo what everyone else has said, if you need our support we are here for you! Once a berry always a berry!!!

Brodicea sorry the witch got you !

thunder grrrrrrrr to the instadiffer!!!

MrsB00Mbastic Fri 28-Jun-13 13:29:03

Hi brodicea, sorry you've been disappointed. Hope you lunched whoever told you to hurry up. In the FACE.

Hey thunder. Who needs to dtd? I'm aiming for immaculate conception, there has been but one incidence of bonkage this cycle thanks to the bloody hycosy and aftermath and we're now day 22...balls. Is there dtd in the pipeline?

Anyone know much about jizz test results? DH has just collected his from the GP so I can take it to my appt on Mon, and I don't know what it means....little help?

Vol 0.4ml (this seems ridiculously low. Not being funny but I'm sure he produces more than that!!)
ph 8.5
count 117mil/ml
motility 70%
normal forms 10
Mar test negative

Might as well be written in Greek for all it means to me! Apparently the receptionist told him it was 'fine'...great, now taking fertility advice from the admin staff...

MrsB00Mbastic Fri 28-Jun-13 13:36:57

Sorry thunder, missed the breaking instadiffa news. It's so unfair sad. Does she know you're trying? xx

Hey boom. Sorry I don't know about these results. Someone else will though? Or is there something on NiCE or

Am hoping that the dtd marathon will start tonight. It's going to all be very concentrated into a few days this month I think. Back on the opks after going cold turkey too and I think we've agreed that once the smile comes then we're on it for the next three days. Am quite amazed at this agreement as normally OH doesn't need the pressure of knowing when the opks go positive.

Hi brod, missed you there. I second the lunching in the face of anyone telling anyone to Hurry Up.

I have the RAGE today. angry

Yeah boom she is one of the few that knows about the mc and everything. So I had the 'if you'd rather I didn't talk about the baby, that's fine' thing as well. Bless her she is trying to be sweet and sensitive and it really is great news for her but....FFS

luckily it was over Skype messenger so no need to arrange face

For 'arrange face', read 'wipe sobby snot from chin'

MrsB00Mbastic Fri 28-Jun-13 13:52:51

Yep, at least most people announce their updiffedness via text or fb so they don't see the instant meltdown. The ones where you're at a dinner party or something and they go 'we have something to tell you all' are the ones that destroy public with no place to hide!

Have a glass (or three) of pre-conception vino tonight. I shall send fertile vibes your way or I would if I had any fertility to share and hope it'll be your turn soon x

I think I will follow that advice boom, do fertility vibes come in the form of crackers? I'm just thinking wine plus cheese and fertility crackers could sort me right out.

How's the writing going?

MrsB00Mbastic Fri 28-Jun-13 14:10:47

Absolutely! Fertility crackers are the next big thing in the conception game! Effects enhanced by copious amounts of cheese and booze! grin

Brodicea Fri 28-Jun-13 15:04:21

hmm, fertility crackers......

'Hurry up' was from my mate's shithead husband trying to get a rise out of me because he is a douche. My dad said 'oh so no grand kids then' on my 29 birthday almost 4 years ago! So he is also in the douche pile (for many reasons).

Gar for you Thunder - I was incensed when my SIL didn't send us a scan picture because it might upset me: even though she meant to be nice, I don't want people treating me like a scary baby-crazed crone... even if that is quite accurate.

Brodicea Fri 28-Jun-13 15:04:39

hungry now

MrsB00Mbastic Fri 28-Jun-13 15:51:06

I haven't stopped thinking about cheese and bloody crackers since you posted thunder...I think I might have to go and make a calorific purchase. Might as well get all the wine, brie and stilton that I can in now, since I WILL get diffed next cycle...

SidneyBristow Fri 28-Jun-13 16:11:19

well for me, crackers made me think of the bag of tortilla chips I'd been saving, and miraculously there's salsa in the fridge. What has two thumbs and is about to crawl into a hot bath with a spy thriller, a gin & tonic and AF? THIS GIRL <shamelessly waggles thumbs at self in an attempt to make berries laugh>

Yes the bitch showed up this morning. CD1 here, cycle 13, can you feel my excitement. Today I've called the NHS IVF lady & left a message (to see what our county's policy is), and have made a double appt to discuss my options/plan with a GP, not the one I saw last time who told me to wait til cycle 16 (for no apparent reason).

brodicea shock at the comments!! thunder I'm cheering you on from afar (but not in a creepy way) for your shagathon.

Have had a cry a while ago, just due to sheer unfairness of it all, but MIL's innocent question of "what are you & DH up to this weekend, since it's child-free?" sad Clueless, absolutely clueless, although she'd be mortified to know her timing couldn't have been worse.

Frogcatcher Fri 28-Jun-13 16:18:21

Just wanted up let you know that the first elderberry baby has arrived so it IS possible! Janey had a baby boy this morning by c-section.
Oh & Stilton is still allowed boom (something to do with a hard blue cheese) but other blues are out. Pls don't talk about a nice piece of rich creamy Brie on a cracker with a lovely glass of wine. <salivates & mentally adds it to my hospital bag when the time comes>

happylass Fri 28-Jun-13 16:21:33

Arrrrrgh am so annoyed. Just had a letter from the FC clinic saying they are ready for us to make an appointment but enclosing a list of teats that should be done at the GPs first. Half of them haven't been done. One is TWO cd21 tests carried out on CONSECUTIVE months. I had my cd 21 test back in February and haven't had one since. Next month is fine but I'm away for the cd21 after that so the next 2 consecutive months I can be tested are September and October so won't be able to make an appointment until after then. Could have had all these tests done by now. Don't the hospital and the GP speak to each other?! Hate incompetence grrrrr