Eggcellent Egg Buddies - a thread for those IVFing in June/July/August

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EuroShaggleton Fri 14-Jun-13 16:40:10

You don't have to be crazy to be on this thread but it helps

(Ladies, I thought I would jump in and start a non-sweary titled fred. Feel free to turn the air blue now!)

JuicySteak Fri 14-Jun-13 16:52:21

<sniffs acrid air> Thanks, Euro. So... is this the 'sweaty' fred? grin

Karbea Fri 14-Jun-13 16:53:45

Checking in.

RachelW74 Fri 14-Jun-13 16:57:05

Me too.

twinklestar2 Fri 14-Jun-13 16:58:04

So sorry tame sad

tametortie Fri 14-Jun-13 17:18:27

<sprays pits>

Im a lot of things, but I ain't sweaty.

Worst possible timing, DD is away for the weekend with friends. Its too quiet here.

God, I feel desperately sad. sad

EuroShaggleton Fri 14-Jun-13 17:25:47

<hugs tortie to meagre buzzwams>

if sweaty means we finally get a summer, I'm all for it.

Nokkie73 Fri 14-Jun-13 17:41:44

Two days out and you lot fill-up a fucking thread. Bejesus.

tame I am so so so sorry. I was thinking of you today and was sending you some funktastic vibes. It's just a massive bag of shite that it hasn't worked for you this time. <Hand holds and slides bottle of wine, open, across the table to Tame>.

joos the Juicy half-dozen, we shall call them. Good bloody result that. The Spaff King must have really done his thang well on the day. I was utterly horrified to read about your episode the other day - I had tears in my eyes when I read it. I hope you are okay now.

karbs great result for you too today. Keeping fingers crossed for fertilisation.

Hmmmmmmm, sniffs new blood rach welcome. We fucking love a good old cunting swear here. If anything, we will PM you for not bollocking swearing enough. I did start-off on Fertility Fiends but it was a bit too pink and fluffy and dancing fucking emoticons for me (wtf is all that about ?). You will find it much more, erm, real on here. Dancing emoticons are bitch slapped out of town. Sorry about your history but here's to looking forward.

mejust where are you today lovey ? I worry that you may have gone all Waco because of the drugs and murdered half the people in Sainsbury's just for looking at you in a funny way ! Hope you're alright.

euro how did it go today ? Scan all ok ?

I had an impromptu scan today because of various things. I go into the room and immediately start stripping and thrusting my fanjo about the place. The sonographer looks absolutely horrified and witheringly says 'you can keep your clothes on as we can do an abdominal scan'. I realise that after all the investigations and ivf bullshit, I have become conditioned, institutionalised even. I hear the word 'scan' and start to fucking expose myself. I am dreading going abroad. As I go airside, there could be an incident unless I keep my wits about me (and my clothes on and my growler in her cage).

Hello to everyone else. Lovely shiny new Fred euro by the way. X

MotorcycleMama Fri 14-Jun-13 17:53:08

tame I am so, so sorry. Absolutely heartbreaking.

MotorcycleMama Fri 14-Jun-13 18:01:18

thanks euro - I'm intrigued by the impromptu scan 'for various reasons' but shouldn't pry..

juicy fucking marvellous!! Your head must be in a totally different place to where it was yesterday. You give me hope.

Welcome rachel. 2 on board - fantastic! I didn't quite get if yours was DE IVF, or was going to be, and then you've used OE. I'm heading for DE transfer, all being well, about 2 weeks today.

karbea great news re your EC.

AFM I'm okay, just counting the days and waiting and waiting.

tametortie Fri 14-Jun-13 18:09:45

AND nokkie??? How was the scan?? You are nearly 12 weeks now so must have been lots to see??

I hope the sonographer appreciated the flashing of the growler though. Mine was, shall we say, scruffy today. Just could not be bothered. Fucking hell, its like furry Bermuda shorts down there grin

MotorcycleMama Fri 14-Jun-13 18:20:25

Sorry, I meant nokkie not euro re the scan comment confused

tametortie Fri 14-Jun-13 18:24:10

Me too motor. Hope all is ok nokkie xxxx

We need good news!!!

Karbea Fri 14-Jun-13 18:38:31

Nokkie I can remember being in total shock when I was asked to do my first dildo scan, I'd assumed it would be on my belly like a pregnancy scan, I was totally unprepared. I must admit down there doesn't really feel like my own at the moment.

RachelW74 Fri 14-Jun-13 18:52:06

Jesus this thread makes me laugh!

Thanks motorcyclemama It's OE - signed the papers to start DE transfer nurse looks at scan and says ovary is here why aren't you using it? F knows what my eggs will be like I'm 39 and was thinking of setting up a direct debit from my salary direct to Morrison's alcohol department last month so we'll see grin Excellent about your DE scan.

Nokkie thank you, you're the reason I'm here, not on Earth like, just on Mumsnet but all the same pretty frigging amazing - I googled something like "real people doing IVF who can swear forums" and hey presto you're pretty near the top of the search!

Tame sad flowers and wine and virtual company from me X

JuicySteak Fri 14-Jun-13 18:53:16

Tortie, I hate, hate, hate that you are on your own right now sad Please jump on a plane and come over here. You can come and marvel at the ' old castle' that was clearly built circa 1984 and I'll tell you about the crap caves we went to today where the whole tour was conducted in Czech and the only word we recognised was "stalctitties". Then I'll tell you about 'Peter', a dreadlocked student scumbag we met on the train back from the caves who, when informed of our donor IVF, looked at me and said: 'What?! So ze bebbee will not be yours?' sad

Really am wishing you some peace, sweetheart. It's a shit old journey, is this, but you'll get there xx

RachelW74 Fri 14-Jun-13 18:53:20

Shit "swear on forums" not "swear forums". "Changed" not "change". My brain has gone for a walk and not come back yet.

Nokkie73 Fri 14-Jun-13 18:54:13

Ok ! I didn't want to come on here and blab - thought it was a bit insensitive really in the circumstances. But if you want to know.....

I got news on Wednesday that I am a haemaglobin C carrier. I had no idea of this (wtf would I ? I don't even know my own blood group). Anyhow, it's prevalent in those with Afro-Caribbean heritage (and bizarrely enough, those with Mediterranean heritage - there is a group in St Albans who have Roman heritage who carry this in their blood). My pa is Jamaican and my mum is English, so i am mixed-race, hence i have it.

It makes not a shit of difference to me in terms of my health, but if I have a sproglet with someone who carries haemaglobin C, the baby will have a 1 in 4 chance of having a form of sickle cell. The nurse wanted to see us urgently so that they could test the northern monkey for haemaglobin C. I doubt there is anything in it to be honest as he and his kind (Hobbits) have never left the northern shire (Hobbiton) until he and his brother came to London. I have seen the family tree too - that lot only moved between Scotland, Newcastle and the Lake District. They were like fucking lazy Bilbo Bagginses who just couldn't be arsed to come down South aka travel to Mordor to get rid of the ring. Sort of. Anyhoooo, so he had to have a blood test just to make sure. It panicked me a little bit because they wanted to see us so quickly.

So, the midwife was prattling on and making comments to the northern monkey like 'oohhhhh, just hop on my bed' and 'oooooooohhhhhhh, I'm not used to having a man on my bed' (it was like a shit Carry On film) and she said 'if you're having a scan next Wednesday then I won't listen for a heartbeat with the Doppler machine'. I thought about this for a while and then, despite myself, asked her to listen for one.

So I hopped-on the bed and she fucked about for ages trying to listen to a heartbeat. She couldn't find one. She then disappeared for fucking ages. So we're just sitting in her room thinking that it's all over. She comes back in and says that she's arranged an impromptu scan and then off we trot to the ante-natal scan unit. I basically sobbed my way through it all but it's ok. Heartbeat still there but my uterus contracted and the baby decided that it didn't want its picture taken (but would momentarily stretch and wave its arms about and then curl back up) so she couldn't take measurements to definitively tell me how far along I am. Until Wednesday, I have to go on the last scan which would put me at 12weeks on Sunday.

motor my GOD, the wait must be driving you potty. Nearly there now !

tame she didn't. She just looked horrified. She must have thought I was on the game something, the way I just dropped them without a second thought. What a slag ! grin

RachelW74 Fri 14-Jun-13 18:59:19

Nokkie you make me laugh woman. So chuffed for you! Sure you don't want any ikklewikklesprinkles sending your way <runs off dodging whatever you're throwing at me right now> wink

JuicySteak Fri 14-Jun-13 18:59:57

NokkMeUp, 'various things'? What various things? You lost your car keys and needed to know if they'd slipped up your ass during a blacktastic floor-spin in Aldi?
Seriously, I hope things are okay with you and your peanut X

Motor, tell us exactly what's happening with you/your donor at the mo..

Nokkie73 Fri 14-Jun-13 19:20:42

rach ikklewikklesprinkles MY CUNTING ARSE. grin

joos is the broadband wi-fi t'interweb in the arse end of back of beyond on fucking delay or something luv ? Aldi ? Aldi ? I am virtually royalty. I only funk in Waitrose whadda whopping lie

JuicySteak Fri 14-Jun-13 19:26:59

HEEEELP!!! Th'usband and I have just tried to open the Agolutin (progesterone oil) glass vial but when we snapped the top off, as instructed, it left a jagged, uneven ridge which made delivery of the liquid into the syringe almost impossible. Some of the oil was left behind in the ampule, which meant we had to repeat the process and inject the remaining half-a-ml a second time! We can't be doing this every night but we tried snapping another ampule top off and it did the exact same thing leaving a jagged neck. Any suggestions for tomorrow night?

MotorcycleMama Fri 14-Jun-13 19:27:19

Ok juicy but it's not very exciting! I had a scan on Tuesday where they found that my womb lining was appropriately thin (2.9mm) so I started on progynova 2mg three times a day, to make it thick again confused. I go back on Wednesday 19th to see if it is thick enough (8mm minimum), and if it isn't, they'll give me more oestrogen but in patch form. Donor egg collection due Monday 24th, when I guess I'll start progesterone pessaries until egg transfer, possibly 3, hopefully 5 days later.
I asked about my donor's progress, but they were very unforthcoming. I have to guess that all is going okay for her too. I am hoping she responds well, as we only get 50% of her eggs, but pay lots. I'm starting to think that I should have gone for your type of set up where you get all the eggs!
It seems to be going so painfully slowly.

MotorcycleMama Fri 14-Jun-13 19:31:46

juicy have the glass vials got a black spot on the neck or top? If so, that could indicate the weak spot in the glass. Try making the break there by pushing the top of the vial away from you with your thumb. Obviously I can't see your vials, so don't know for sure, but I'm a nurse and have done lots of injections.

JuicySteak Fri 14-Jun-13 19:37:31

Motor, thanks for that, I didn't want you to think I was ignoring your journey just 'cos I'm full throttle into mine. It may seem a slow process to you but I remember our discussion about your first, unproven donor - who you went on to reject - and that only seems like yesterday to me. Does your clinic use the embryo monitoring machine (the embryoscope)? Don't worry about your donor's egg quantity; I know it's a cliché but it does only take one quality pairing of egg and sperm (and you're getting a beautifully young, undamaged set of eggs). We are so, so lucky...please don't worry thanks

I'm a little concerned that my one and only scan was on the 18th May confused How on earth do we know what my womb lining is like?

JuicySteak Fri 14-Jun-13 19:39:54

Motor, x-posted. Yes, the vials have a red spot on the neck and yes, we flicked it away from us with a thumb. This we did twice and both times a jagged, uneven fragment of the neck remained, which made it impossible to fully fit the syringe end into the neck for withdrawal. Do you understand what I mean?

wishwash Fri 14-Jun-13 19:48:46

Hey ladies,

Tame I know I'm late but I'm sorry to hear your bad news, i really admire you for being so strong.

Hello Rachel, welcome :-)

Hi everyone else!!!

So.... had a set back with my scans today, after all the worry about me growing too many follies they haven't actually grown enough to arrange EC sad It was meant to be tuesday but now they need to scan me monday before anything can be arranged.

They're also saying that something in my blood is low but I couldn't get a clear answer on what it was. Could it be my progesterone? Do they look for that at this stage?

I'm so confused and terrified that I'm going to fail before I've even started....

buzzybee123 Fri 14-Jun-13 19:53:20

tortie I am so sorry my lovely big hugs

rachel and noks FF is nothing compared to Metmums, Baby and bump and babycentre for all things fluffy and covered in babydust hmm

noks I did the same to my sonographer, I then remind them I have a tilted uteru and they will see feck all if they don't dildo cam me, my FIL is from forrin lands and Barry has sickle cell trait, which MIL is obsessed with, but last time when I got to my booking in with the MW, they weren't really interested hmm I hear the doppler is the tool of the devil, glad things were ok

juicy you need to have the dot facing to the front I think then they snap quite easily, if not you can't break the fucker off, trust me I know. The edge is a bit rough but should be ok

buzzybee123 Fri 14-Jun-13 19:55:44

x posts with motor

juicy didn't they scan you at the clinic when your husband was doing his bit

buzzybee123 Fri 14-Jun-13 20:00:16

wish I am sure they will get something, not sure what they are looking for in your blood at this stage

JuicySteak Fri 14-Jun-13 20:01:52

Buzzy, no they didn't and I'm wondering how they can be so confident that my womb lining is thick enough for transfer? confused Yes, the red dot faces forward and we're snapping it correctly but still nasty jagged point remains. Tell me: we're not supposed to be drawing the liquid up through the actual needle, are we?? We are using just the plastic syringe minus the needle.

wishwash Fri 14-Jun-13 20:04:36

Sorry I realised my post sounded completely wrong.

I still have a total of 17 follies all together but the biggest ones are only 13 and they wanted them to be 16 by today. I know I'm probably worrying too much but they said if they're not upto 16 by monday then they'll be concerned!

Oh god I've made myself panic again! I'm sorry.... i'll shut up now. Arrrrighghghg


JuicySteak Fri 14-Jun-13 20:08:14

Wish, believe me: they will be 16mm by Monday. Aunty Juicy doesn't lie. Now go and have a funk round your kitchen...

wishwash Fri 14-Jun-13 20:13:56

Thanks Juice smile Not sure if you've noticed, I'm a bit of a worrier

I may have to postpone the funk, I just dropped the milk carton on the floor...... it was open.....damn my clumsy ass the stupid drugs

JuicySteak Fri 14-Jun-13 20:18:19

WishWashYourFanny, no point crying over spilt milk <sniggers> Can you advise me about these jagged ampules of mine?

wishwash Fri 14-Jun-13 20:26:58

I can't I'm afraid! I haven't had any experience of you your ampules and their jaggedness but it sounds like something i'd completely fuck up anyway hmm

MotorcycleMama Fri 14-Jun-13 20:28:10

Hi juicy. Our clinic doesn't use the embryoscope which is a shame as it sounds like the best thing in the world of fertility treatment. Trouble is you can get so anxious comparing your own clinic to other people's, I have just decided to not to worry too much about it.
As for your scan, I did think that scanning to measure the womb lining prior to transfer was standard because it needs to be a certain thickness for an embryo to implant. It sounds like your clinic are great though, so you should just ask them. You know how it goes, they'll either reassure you that it isn't needed, or offer to do it for a few hundred extra quid!

tametortie Fri 14-Jun-13 20:28:50

Juicy- you need an ampoule snapper. I had a couple off my clinic. Ask reprogenesis for some. If not, you can get them in the UK.

All ampoules and vials have overage of up to 10%. Lots of room for error xxx

Nokkie- glad all is ok. You are not being insensitive.

Remember that saying about walking a mile in another mans shoes? Well you have all walked in mine so any happy news you have is all our happy news xx agreed?? Xx

buzzybee123 Fri 14-Jun-13 20:29:59

juicy yes I use the needle to draw it up, what colour ones do you have, its a complete bitch with the green ones so I draw it up with the pink needle then change it to the green to jab myself

I would call the clinic and ask them to scan you to put your mind at rest

wish your follies grow about 1-2mm a day so you should be ok

tametortie Fri 14-Jun-13 20:30:49

Juicy- I am pretty sure you should be using a needle too...not just a syringe xxx

tametortie Fri 14-Jun-13 20:32:58

Wish- there will be eggs. You have 2 days. 2 pints of whole milk a day, 2 chicken breasts a day. They will grow. I have never heard of a cycle cancelled due to too many follies- they will just let them all catch up x dont worry too much x

MotorcycleMama Fri 14-Jun-13 20:33:38

juice yes, you should be using the needle! The syringe won't have a tip long or fine enough to suck up the meds. You should really draw the meds up with one needle, then use another to inject, as you can blunt the needle when drawing up. Hope this helps!

tametortie Fri 14-Jun-13 20:34:57

I've stopped bleeding today. Which is just fucking typical.

Im in a hot bath with a glass of wine and DH has offered to 'prod' everything out for me later....

Oh joy hmm

wishwash Fri 14-Jun-13 20:35:40

Is it the same type of vial that comes with cetrocide? I have the two needles, a long one to draw draw it out then change to the smaller one for the jab, just as buzzy said. Other than that i'm clueless sorry hmm

tametortie Fri 14-Jun-13 20:36:35

Wish- just a thought. It could be that your estradiol is too low. It needs to be a certain level to indicate enough mature follicles. Just means enough of them aren't big enough x

wishwash Fri 14-Jun-13 20:38:39

It could be tame. I asked her three times what was low in my blood but she didn't give a clear answer. Whatever it is, she said it wasn't reflecting what they could see on the scans. The level was too low for the size of my follies. Really confused...

tametortie Fri 14-Jun-13 20:48:18

Its estradiol chick. X

Lots of protein this weekend- all will be well on Monday xxx

FlowersBlown Fri 14-Jun-13 20:54:06

Can I join? We have our first Ivf consultation on Monday. I have a female partner so my situation is a bit different in that we knew fr

FlowersBlown Fri 14-Jun-13 20:57:13

Didn't finish that... From the outset that we would need fertility treatment. Anyway, we've had 3 failed attempts at iui and are now moving on. I'm not the only one here using a donor at least so that makes me feel a little better.

Have lurked a bit and will try to keep up with you all.

JuicySteak Fri 14-Jun-13 21:00:09

My bloody stubborn husband!! He swore the nurse showed him to suck the liquid up MINUS the needle. Now this all makes sense. Thank you, thank you all of you for helping me. What a turd blush

Buzzy, the plastic syringe is green but the needle is grey.

tametortie Fri 14-Jun-13 21:04:57

Juicy- I did have a little chuckle when I reread it!!

Flowers- hello welcome!! Are you having ivf with donor sperm?? Good luck- make sure you check in with us all every step of the way because we are very nosey.

I hope you dont mind me asking but will you be having treatment or your partner? Do you have any known fertility issues or just the lack of sperm?

mejust Fri 14-Jun-13 21:06:38

tam im really sorry to hear the news flowers

hi motor its getting nearer not to long for you now.

nokkie not killed anyone yet although iv come close and it will prob be hubby for stabbing me with that menopur shit which i hate,all my jabs have been in my legs as dont want to use stomach so they getting sore and little space now i got 2 aday,pleased for you that your scan went well.

wish life how you getting on?

hello to everyone else

Nokkie73 Fri 14-Jun-13 21:09:17

tame you are one amazing lady. That's a lovely thing to say, especially now. You deserve this to come good for you and IT WILL. X

joos panic over now ! Get t'clinic to scan you just to make sure all is well.

flowers welcome ! Do you swear ?

buzz how are you doing ? Is your scan coming-up ?

wish tame is absolutely right. Troff protein and you should be ok. Keep the faith !

wishwash Fri 14-Jun-13 21:16:58

Thanks tame and noks I would have been stressing the whole weekend wondering what it was if it wasn't for you guys! Would have been nice for them to tell me really!

Welcome flower, you've come to the right place, these guys are fantabulous smile

mejust had a bit of crap news (not sure if you looked back) but after speaking to these lovely ladies my mind is at rest.... I think

tametortie Fri 14-Jun-13 21:17:29

Wish- just looked for you. You need to aim for 60-80g protein a day. Go for 80g as we only have 2 days.

Danio yoghurt passion fruit flavour= 13g Each

Chicken breast = 24g each

+ lots of WHOLE milk.

And a quinoa salad made in bulk- loads of protein but comes out whole in your poo hmm that may only be me but it is disturbing.

Plus lots of sleep and water.

You will have eggs x

tametortie Fri 14-Jun-13 21:22:52

Nokkie- thank you x you are very sweet x

wishwash Fri 14-Jun-13 21:24:40

Ok I'm on it! Protein had better watch out cause I'm about to chow down on it arse!

twinklestar2 Fri 14-Jun-13 21:25:54

Welcome flowers!

buzzybee123 Fri 14-Jun-13 21:31:25

juicy `what does it say on the needle green one says 21G x 1 1/2" 0,8x40mm

flower welcome

noks I am seeing my immune specialists on Wednesday so will have a scan then, EPAU are organising another scan for 10 weeks

FlowersBlown Fri 14-Jun-13 21:39:00

Thank you everyone.

Juicy - yes am using sperm from an unknown donor. Good luck with the rest of your week. I have to say I do not like the sound of the town you're in. More than happy to share all the gory details. There is only so much you can bore people with in RL.

nokkie - I do indeed swear quite a lot.

I know very little about anything and am basically just trusting the clinic on everything. I'm not sure that's been totally wise so far. I'm trying not to drink too much caffeine and booze but otherwise haven't done anything different to before. My diet is not that great and I am a little bit under the optimum weight (19.5 bmi). I think I need more protein judging by what tortie is saying.

I also have Pcos. Not that I knew that before I started the tests.

chocoloco1 Fri 14-Jun-13 21:39:53

Hello lovely ladies<sounds a bit fertility friends like> sorry, how about 'alright you old slappers'?

Sorry again tame, thinking of you. You all pop into my heads at random times during the dayblush

euro blush thought you sounded like you were talking about having ec today! Hope it wasn't too painful going back in the scan room

karbea well done on EC, how are you feeling?

nokkie grin about stripping for the scan - I can imagine why you did it, it all seems pretty normal stripping for the fanjo cam. Glad everything seems ok and you got to have another scan

juicyfruit as the others have said, yes, you do need to use the needle to draw the oil up. We started out using a smaller needle to draw it up and big one to inject(can't remember colours) and then after a couple of days we used larger needle to draw up and smaller one to inject, as the bigger one was more painful. DH was a bit of a whizz at breaking the vials, or so I thought at the time, but I just asked him if he had any advice for you and he said that it was often jagged after he'd broken it off!

mejust sorry you're still having a shit time of it with the jabssad

wish sorry you're worrying about everything, it's bloody difficult not to, but one step at a time if you can. What day of stims are you on? I had slow growth last time at one point and then my follicles had a sudden growth spurt. I'll never know if any of these things made any difference, but I put a hot water bottle on my belly as much as possible and drank a shed load of milk and had plenty of other protein too.

motor sounds like things are coming on well with you, not long now, and as juice says it doesn't seem like long ago that you were trying to choose your donor

Hello to flowers and rachel welcome to the fucking madhouse!

Waves to buzzy and twinks

Only 4 days until I go for my consultation and will hopefully come away with a plan and some dates for starting in July, can't waitsmile. The waiting to get started again has been tough a fucking killer

wishwash Fri 14-Jun-13 22:04:34

Thanks choco. I'm on day 10 of stimms with the plan to go for EC on Tuesday but it all depends on my folls Monday!

You will get going before you know it!

Nokkie73 Fri 14-Jun-13 22:06:28

choccybar hello ! Exciting that things are starting again eh ? Woohoo. Will you be doing anything differently this time ? X

MotorcycleMama Fri 14-Jun-13 22:08:13

Hi flowers. Welcome! There's a few of us on here using DE, and I for one am totally happy with that. I haven't had any attempts with my own eggs as it seemed fruitless - they quoted 15% chance success which I didn't want to gamble on. My donor has a female partner - my clinic suggested that some recipients might object to eggs from a lesbian which I was surprised at! How has your journey been so far? Stressful, I guess, with 3 failed IUIs. Here's hoping your next try is successful.

wishwash Fri 14-Jun-13 22:08:32

flowers I knew the very basics of the scans and follicle sizes cause of previous fertility crap but I was pretty much clueless when I started.
Just make sure you ask lots of questions when you go for your appointments. I piss them off with so many questions they push me out of the door smile

chocoloco1 Fri 14-Jun-13 22:14:12

Hey noks, not sure yet, I've always been on high dose stims 'cos of crap AMH, but maybe they will lower the dose slightly to try to get better quality eggs. I'm going to have a scratch done, but chose not to go on the DHEA as just wasn't sure about it. I have had some blood tests done for clotting factors etc and karotyping and they've all come back negative, so that's good. So happy for you stillsmile

wish weird that when I see Mr D at Poundbury on Tues afternoon he'll have seen you for EC that morning! Well it seems weird to me anyway!

wishwash Fri 14-Jun-13 22:23:50

I didn't think of it that way! I think it'll be Wednesday for me now so at least you know he wouldn't have had his hands near my fanjita that morning wink

FlowersBlown Fri 14-Jun-13 22:26:29

Yes wish, I think you are right that I need to start asking questions. I just do what I am told. We are at an NHS clinic although we are having to pay and I do think they are just putting us through their standard protocol sometimes.

motor, I think it is pretty shocking that they even tell you that information and allow you to reject a donor because of it. The only reason they know is presumably because they are also having treatment at the clinic. I expect quite a lot of male donors are gay but you don't get told either way. It's not heritable. Makes me a bit angry actually.

JuicySteak Fri 14-Jun-13 22:27:49

Flowers, welcome to the thread. Lesbians are actively encouraged but we don't tolerate gingers or Scousers. I'm sorry you got the impression Brno is less than fascinating. Let me clarify: it's fucking shit. Mind you, when I first clapped eyes on Sydney Opera House I said, 'Is that it?' Similarly, I thought Taronga Zoo (considered to be the largest and best in the world) was crap and the Leaning Tower of Pisa did not lean precariously enough for my liking. Venice stinks of piss-flaps and I would happily murder all French people. Other than that I enjoy being abroad hmm

Buzzy, the needle: 0.70 x 40mm/22G x 1½"

There are so many of us now on this thread, it's ace smile

wishwash Fri 14-Jun-13 22:32:43

flowers how come you're at an NHS clinic if you're paying for it?
I'm quite luckily going to a private clinic although im finded by NHS although I feel so common when I'm there! I get some snotty looks from the posh oldies having their Gout treated.

The lesbian thing baffled me too, it shows how narrow minded some people are

JuicySteak Fri 14-Jun-13 22:34:25

Nokks, somehow I missed your explanatory post. Bet you were scared stiff when they called you in! Are you sure they weren't detecting Soul-Glow? Maybe it's running through your veins? grin

Flower, I, too, think it's preposterous that clinics feel the need to reveal a donor's sexuality. On the other hand, I would definitely reject a donor if she was from Essex grin

MotorcycleMama Fri 14-Jun-13 22:35:03

flowers I was pretty shocked too - that it was even included in the information (which was otherwise pretty minimal) but also that some people object, though on what grounds I don't know! Anyway, welcome and good luck!

mejust Fri 14-Jun-13 22:38:33

wish had a look back ,dont get stressed im sure you will get to EC tuesday especially if you take the advice and eat all that stuff these ladies know what they are talking about.hows you feeling now you have been stimming for a while?

hello flowers
choco how long do you think it will be till you start treatment again,how many times have you been through ivf?

im a little nervous of EC how did people feel afterwards?

juicy come cheer me up

JuicySteak Fri 14-Jun-13 22:46:27

Mejust, did you watch Braveheart at the end where they disembowel Mel Gibson whilst he is alive and then dangle his innards before his eyes as he shrieks in agony? Well...that's what EC is like.

JuicySteak Fri 14-Jun-13 22:47:10

Did that work, darlin'? grin

Nokkie73 Fri 14-Jun-13 22:48:51

joos Alan fucking Whicker you are not grin

chocs I steered clear of dhea too. When I went for my post-ivf fail go to the back of the class consultation, my consultant actually said that he was considering putting me on the highest dose of Gonal-F for the next round. Considering my AMH is also a steaming pot of fox piss, I was surprised. That said, I didn't get loads of eggies (five) but a good fertilisation rate (four fertilised) so this must have been why. But but but, two made it back inside me at day three, but the other two were either growing too quickly or too slowly at day three and didn't get to blasto. They were discarded. I got a BFN. My point is.....were my eggs decent quality ? The evidence suggests perhaps not. Putting me on a higher dose may not have been the right thing.

tametortie Fri 14-Jun-13 22:55:39

I get arse pain after EC. Like im being arse pokered by a red hot nob. Its a killer.

But I have endo so probably an individual thing. All the other women look comfortable.....

Karbea Fri 14-Jun-13 22:56:17

Wish they will just have to stim you longer if the eggs aren't big enough yet, it can't be written in stone when they are coming out. I had 2 days when the drs said I might trigger tonight, they have to get that right to ensure max no of mature eggs.

*dont ready any further if tmi scares you!!*

Is anyone on cyclogest? I put one in (bum) at 8pm, by 9 and ever since I've had bad diarrhoea, any know if the progesterone would have had enough time in my body before I pooed it out? And also has it upset anyone else's belly?

mejust Fri 14-Jun-13 22:56:40

what the fuck i like mel gibson but dont want to end up like that it better not be that bad you crazzzzzy woman shock

mejust Fri 14-Jun-13 23:02:19

red hot nobs and being torn apart ,i feel great wheres the razor blades .

Karbea Fri 14-Jun-13 23:02:32

juicy I'm from Essex! Not that I'd give you one of my eggs!

chocoloco1 Fri 14-Jun-13 23:03:17

Oi, juicy, what you saying about Essex? grin

mejust EC is fine, you won't remember a thing and you get to lounge around in bed for a couple of hours after. Result. Hopefully I will have the scratch mid July ish and then start drugs a couple of weeks later. It'll be our 3rd go - blimey, this time last year we'd only just had our first ever IVF consultation - that's mad!

wishwash Fri 14-Jun-13 23:03:50

Just very bloated and uncomfortable mejust. The nurse has told me to go on tight duties at work and rest all weekend. She reminds me of a head mistress so id better listen or she'll get the cane out! I'm too sensitive for that right now wink

Sorry Karb I haven't started it yet so can't comment

wishwash Fri 14-Jun-13 23:05:26

Ha! Light duties not tight!

Karbea Fri 14-Jun-13 23:06:34

Me just the actual thing you don't feel, but right now it's a little bit like bad period pain, I've had the odd shooting pain/cramp plus the upset tum.

EuroShaggleton Fri 14-Jun-13 23:08:56

For the newbies, I have nothing against swearing, but the thread title becomes the URL on MN and I don't want to alert the IT nazis police and have then take a close look at my internet habits in the office....)

noks I hope all is well. I loved your scan story. At this point I could go to the dr for earache and end up stripping off and adopting the position. It's my default when confronted with a medical professional these days.

rachel near the top of that search is exactly where we would want to be. Welcome to the gang, btw.

Welcome to you too, flowers. I have friends in a same sex relationship who managed to get up the duff quicker than us. Not a single sperm between them, but they are better at baby making than us.... (resentful, moi? Jealous more like - their daughter is adorable.)

joos you sounds like a proper druggie with yer ampoules.

tortie how are you holding up?

wish that sounds like a complete headfuck. Your follies WILL get there.

mejust well done on not killing our husband.

I found EC traumatic because psychologically I don't deal well with being knocked out. Physically it was absolutely fine. I was getting dressed within seconds minutes of coming round and out of the clinic within about 15 minutes. I don't recommend you try it (it's my weird bolting thing I have when I come round) but I mention it because it shows I was physically up to it. I had no spotting and just felt a bit jet lagged that afternoon from the sedation. The next day I was 100% back to normal.

buzz how are you feeling about things?

choc not long to go now till you're back on the IVF train. Toot toot!

AFM, I am sort of abandoning hippie IVF. My scan this morning was a bit odd. I have, um, 15 (!) good sized follies. Without any drugs. So the sonographer suggested that a natural modified cycle might be a good idea, to take advantage of the follies my body has started to grow naturally. She sent me for a blood test and discussed it with the consultant and apparently my oestrogen is a bit low, so adding in some drugs could really help. So I'll be injecting stimms over the weekend, then being scanned again on Monday to see where we go from there.

I think this is what has been happening post-mc. I used to feel ov clearly on one side. Since the mc, I have been getting ov pains on both sides each month and oving later (and possibly not at all on one of the three post-mc cycles). I reckon my body has been producing loads of follies but had trouble popping the eggs out.

So taking advantage of the natural start and then giving the hormones a boost could be helpful. Or it could all go horribly wrong. I'm certainly not counting chickens.

chocoloco1 Fri 14-Jun-13 23:11:29

wish that sounds like Hilary?! Being uncomfortable sounds rubbish, hope you can take it a bit easy if possible

karbea I never had diarrhoea from the cyclogest, but I have read that it absorbs within about 20-30 mins so you shouldn't have lost any of it. Mine were up the bum all the way(literally). Fancy taking juicy and her anti-Essex arse on?

noks 3 eggs round 1 and 1 round 2, I think the consultant was maybe suggesting a link between the high dose stims and poor quality eggs. Am getting started on my list of questions for Tuesday

EuroShaggleton Fri 14-Jun-13 23:13:13

karbea I read somewhere the progesterone is absorbed within 20 mins. If that's true you should be fine. They didn't give me the squits but I had a strong preference for the front door with those things.

Hope you are doing ok post-EC.

chocoloco1 Fri 14-Jun-13 23:14:55

That's good euro isn't it? And the stims should be fine, as it was DR drugs that caused you the problems wasn't it? It's weird what mc can do to our bodies isn't it!

mejust Fri 14-Jun-13 23:16:12

choco i hope 3rd time lucky for you whats the scratch?

karb i hope you feel better in the morning and your eggs are doing well and im glad its just cramping not torture .

wish take it easy and rest and eat loads of chocolate

EuroShaggleton Fri 14-Jun-13 23:18:17

Yeah, I'm ok about some stimms, I think.

(Btw, I was just catching up properly on the old fred and now I get the sweaty thing. Bloody autocorrect. Grrr.)

mejust Fri 14-Jun-13 23:22:31

euro thats how i am i dont do being put to sleep well,dont like the needle in the hand or the fluid going in,masks and just being knocked out and poked around at like an op it freaks me out and i have bad anxiety after.

wishwash Fri 14-Jun-13 23:23:38

Ha choco that made me laugh, it is Hilary. She's so sweet and softly spoken but if you can tell that if you piss her off you need to run for the hills!

mejust DP just arrived home with a big bag of wispa bits for me. I've also been on the sofa all night catching up with the tv I've missed so living the life really. How are you feeling now?

mejust Fri 14-Jun-13 23:31:33

wish im good legs a bit sore but feel alot better than when i was DR .

wishwash Fri 14-Jun-13 23:45:04

Good I'm glad smile

FlowersBlown Sat 15-Jun-13 09:33:27

Thanks for all the good wishes everyone. I'm struggling to keep up with who's who but I'll get there.

wish It's at an nhs hospital but they see private and nhs patients. It's the only clinic in our city and the success rates are good so we didn't look anywhere else.

Have a good weekend you all. I'm off to go camping in the rain. Can't wait...

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 09:39:49

What clinic is it flowers???

I like to know where everyone is being treated smile clinics, egg numbers, embryo development and sperm samples are my speciality.

RachelW74 Sat 15-Jun-13 09:53:07

Juicy hope you have got the hang of the vials now – we had a plastic sheath thing to put over the top of them so the glass didn’t shatter. I told DH using that was for girls but seeing as the last Menopur injection I gave myself was in my car under the railway arches having popped out from a night at the Cockpit in Leeds, that’s just the kinda rough monkey that I am wink We had plastic syringe, glass vial of water, glass bottle of Menopur, HEOWGE pink needle (for drawing up liquid) and v small yellow needle (for stabbing myself with). Yaaaargh Choco you're one tough mofo if you injected yourself with the big needle <bows in respect>

Hi Wish I started Menopur (300iu) injections on the 24th of May, scan on Day 7, didn’t have enough follies, increased to 450iu of Menopur, another scan on Sat, looking “a bit bigger”, another scan on Monday, ovary like a grapefruit and 20+ follies so please don’t worry, they’ll grow! I’m veggie and I didn’t have any more protein than normal but listen to these ladies, it’s good advice.

Tame unless you’re feeling that way inclined and you go girl if you are, but if not I could get one of those dildo scanners for you and you could offer to prod your DH right up the arse with it!!! I read your comment to my DH and the way he turned white told me he’d know it’d be his arse, after I’d finished with his eyes!! grin

Lifeasafish Sat 15-Jun-13 09:55:23

Hello all I had to step away as I was feeling a bit fed up with life!

tortie i hope you are looking after yourselves. I'm sorry to hear the update.

wish thinks can be done to increase the eggs? Its good that they are controlling it and try to stay calm and positive.

euro sounds exciting! I read somewhere ghat IVF is not a science but an art form. I like theidea that you and your team are being creative with the cycle!

I've lost touch with whatpeople are doing, but juicy are you preparing for EC? mejust how are you doing? When is your hext scan?

In fact I really need to read back properly as I'm struggling to remember who/where in cycle.

newbies welcome to the egg hunt!

me well, as I predicted a few days back, I think I'm struggling more with the gonal-f. I've got headaches non stop, am feeling mardy and irritable, cried twice yesterday (les mis and kings 24 hr in a and e) and am generally blurgh. Still neutral about the IVF though - its a general moodiness.

Oh, and I hate the gonal -f jabs. They hurt more and I have to keep reminding myself that it is nothing compared to childbirth... I think I've probably only got a week or two left of this? I have no idea.

Sorry if i've left people out - Ineed to read up your stories so I give the right comment!

RachelW74 Sat 15-Jun-13 10:01:53

Hi Flowers and welcome. If I made the law it'd be that eggs wouldn't go to people who irritate the fuck out of me!! But civilisation would probably come to a big fat halt if we did it that way grin Can't believe that information even comes up! Erm, relevance!?!?!? Bastards! If you give people choices on who they can donate to where the hell would you draw the line?!?! I don't like people who hog the middle lane or eat with their mouths open so they'd be off my list straight away wink Lots of luck in the process anyway, lots of people here using DE and it's fantastic x

RachelW74 Sat 15-Jun-13 10:08:10

Mejust I had my EC on the 5th of June. Got in the nice arse-wafty gown and hair net. Walked to the theatre, up in the usual position legs akimbo, canula in hand, owowow but don't think about it, it's over quick. Clever Professor type person shoves the speculum right up without warning it hurt but only like ow I've stubbed my toe not like yikes my arm's been cut off I said "Bloody hell - ow!!!!!!" or something, next thing, tons of drugs in my canula and I woke up 30 minutes later wanting a brew and a biscuit. No pain. Got up, got dressed, watched films all afternoon. Only side effect was a bloated stomach that looks like Adrian from the Young Ones when he had his miracle pregnancy (if anyone remembers that!!)!!!!

MotorcycleMama Sat 15-Jun-13 10:18:28

Ha Rachel yes I do remember Vivian's pregnancy in the Young Ones - that shows my age! Very funny.

To anyone who may know.. Do women who donate eggs have a say over who they go to? I'm intrigued now!

Juicy how are you getting on?

EuroShaggleton Sat 15-Jun-13 10:28:10

Yep, fish creative, that's what we are. I like that. <considers entering ovaries in the Royal Academy Summer Exhibition>

Would a little recap be a good idea as this thread is moving so fast and we have a couple of newbies on board?

Euro, IVF#2. Was supposed to be natural but adding in some drugs from today, so will be natural modified. Natural IVF#1 worked, but I mc'd.

Lifeasafish Sat 15-Jun-13 10:32:30

fish IVF # 1, blocked tubes, ttc nearly 3 years, currently stimming mutant ovaries while tying to swerve serious OHSS

* mejust* brw - i'm pleased you are feeling better, you deserve having an easier time of it!

JuicySteak Sat 15-Jun-13 10:41:57

Thanks for asking, Motor. As a matter of fact I am royally fucked-off. It is 11.40am over here and I have yet to be updated regarding the embryos' development. I know it's a Saturday but, honestly, don't they realise just how massively important this is to us couples? I rang the clinic but the answering machine says they're closed for business. I rang my coordinator (felt a bit guilty about this until I remembered we've spent £6k on this) but she didn't answer. I've emailed her but again...nada.

Am I Being Unreasonable?

wishwash Sat 15-Jun-13 10:47:32

No of course not Juice, id be down there ripping the door off the hinges seeing i could find anyone if it were me. You're right, you paid 6k for it so fuck em! I'd be going crazy about that on the NHS! Don't mess with a hormone fuelled woman!

MotorcycleMama Sat 15-Jun-13 10:47:33

motor 41, ttc 2 years. Mmc at 12 wks 2008. Currently on 1st cycle donor egg IVF. No previous IVF experience. Egg collection estimated for 24th June.

wishwash Sat 15-Jun-13 10:50:44

wish IVF cycle #1. PCOS, Ttc 3/4 years. Been through other pointless treatment.
Currently stimming trying to get my follicles the right size without producing too many.

Lifeasafish Sat 15-Jun-13 10:55:28

* juicy* yanbu. I'd be pissed. Can you pop over? As with wish, if NHS i'd be pissed, let alone my hard earned cash.

mejust Sat 15-Jun-13 10:58:54

hi motor no we dont get a say who they go to but we do have a say to how many couples and can withdraw frozen eggs and ask for them to no longer be used but my clinics never seen anyone do that and i dont see why they should,no the recipient picks the donor.

life i agree the stimm jabs hurt alot more iv cried every night but i think thats just because im fed up and this has been going on for weeks whens your next scan is it weds mines tuesday that will be day 8 so maybe EC around next monday or sooner i suppose if enough eggs i dont know its my first ivf but ill be glad to be normal again,we havent got long we just gotta get through this bit smile

buzzybee123 Sat 15-Jun-13 11:00:15

wish sorry yo are feeling so crap, are you putting the needle in slowly and leaving it for 10 seconds before pulling it out??

juicy they should be open on a Saturday, I had ET on a Saturday but they used a different part of the clinic and less staff around. Is there another number that they use for the weekends?? Maybe ask the girls on FF

mejust Sat 15-Jun-13 11:03:29

6 rnds clomid
hycosy 1 blocked tube
slight endo and pcos
1st ivf

EuroShaggleton Sat 15-Jun-13 11:09:17

juicy I'd be pissed off too. When is ET?

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 11:09:33

juicy yanbu. Turn up at the clinic. Do they know who you are?

Seriously, keep trying and kick up a little fuss.

Hi, I'm tame. Im shit at getting pregnant and staying pregnant. All round failure.

wishwash Sat 15-Jun-13 11:12:48

It's not me the the needles buzzy, that's the one thing I'm actually doing right smile

twinklestar2 Sat 15-Jun-13 11:18:10

I've been TTC #1 for nearly two years.
34, no problems with me, hub has low morphology and sluggish sperm.
Starting ivf#1 next month

buzzybee123 Sat 15-Jun-13 11:18:31

sorry wish I meant life

JuicySteak Sat 15-Jun-13 11:28:28

FF girls are never around on a Saturday, they must have lives or something similarly absurd hmm When we went to the clinic on Thursday my coordinator told us that we will receive an update every single morning - 'including weekends!' - and did I wish to be notified via phone or email?

Anyway, I sent DH down to the clinic (25 minute walk so, naturally, I refused to accompany him) and he has just rung me to say that the whole building is shut, the front gates are padlocked and there isn't a single car in the car park or road immediately facing the clinic. I'm fucking furious and deeply suspicious as to how the fuck they're 'monitoring' my embryos from their beds at home angry

Why is my coordinator not picking up her mobile? Hmmm? Slag.

JuicySteak Sat 15-Jun-13 11:31:34

Euro, ET is on Tuesday (18th).

Juicy, 41, TTC 18 months (golly! Is that all?), mmc at eleven weeks last year, one blocked tube, four rounds of wanky Clomid, Ist (and last) donor egg IVF here in (even more) wanky Czech Republic. Six 'good-looking' embryos so far, ET Tuesday.

Lifeasafish Sat 15-Jun-13 11:35:11

mejust the needles bigger, it stings more and I'm being a bit of a pussy. I stared at the box for ages yesterday before I did a - justgetonwithit. Horrible stuff. My first scan is monday as I have an extra one, then every other day until fri. So my EC shuld be around the corner? Gosh.

buzzy i thought you meant me! Yes I am keepingitin for 10secs. Why is that needed?

tame cyber bear hugs. flowers you are not a failure. A failure doesn't try in the first place. You faced the fear bravely and admirably and have gone through a gigantic rollercoaster ride. I admire you to be honest, for your stoicism.

wish am I right in saying you and I have be muddled a few times? I'm not entirely sure, but I think someone asked what you bought in costco. [ grin]

Incidentally it was grated cheese and soy sauce. I was just keepi g myself occupied!

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 11:38:41

juicy im furious for you. Keep ringing.

I you need an update on those embies!!

wishwash Sat 15-Jun-13 11:41:31

I think so life haha. Must be the wish and fish thing. Your EC will be in about 10 days then I reckon providing you've grown enough!

JuicySteak Sat 15-Jun-13 11:49:50

I am getting more and more upset here. I honestly don't know what to do with myself angrysad

Why the fuck pay 500 euros for the embryoscope if no embryologist works on the fucking weekend?

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 11:55:26

Juicy- im with you.

Is the coordinator still not answering?

buzzybee123 Sat 15-Jun-13 11:57:25

juicy I do think its odd that the place is shut on a Saturday but I am sure that someone is inside monitoring your embies or is the machine supposed to do it for them??, my clinic just gave me a number to ring between certain times

life I have no idea what it is supposed to do, I just do as I am told wink

Lifeasafish Sat 15-Jun-13 12:01:18

* juicy* this s the emergency line : +420 774 117 766.

For the clinic, in case youdo not have it

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 12:06:38

Call the emergency number juicy x

wishwash Sat 15-Jun-13 12:12:02

I wish I had something that would help you Juice, I can't imagine how frustrated you are. Ring that number and give them what for!!!

JuicySteak Sat 15-Jun-13 12:14:56

AAAAaaaargh! I've just rung that number, Fish, and kicked-off Big Time....until the poor woman explained I had rung Reprofit sad

I am at ReproGenesis.

Lifeasafish Sat 15-Jun-13 12:18:18

Christ - I 'm so sorry having another search now. But is it worth asking that lady for a contact number? They are in the same town, same industry.

EuroShaggleton Sat 15-Jun-13 12:19:44

Isn't the embryoscope just like a time lapse photography thing, so the footage can be reviewed at any time?

Still shit that the coordinator is not answering, joos.

Tortie we'll have none of that failure talk please, missus. We are just a bit "fertility challenged", that's all.

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 12:22:00

fish that is some faux pas. grin

Lifeasafish Sat 15-Jun-13 12:26:26

Reprog have a facebook page - maybe worth posting there?

Im still searching...

JuicySteak Sat 15-Jun-13 12:28:23

Euro, yes, the embryoscope operates on a video time-lapse basis, but my gripe is that she explicitly (and gleefully) told us to expect a call/email every morning - "even on the weekend!"

Anyway, I have on my fake tan, my lovely silk polkadot dress and we are off to absolutely gorge on McDonald's. I've emailed the coordinator to tell her to ring me immediately, but I fear she'll only pick up her emails at work on Monday angry

JuicySteak Sat 15-Jun-13 12:29:08

Fish, my love, please don't bother as we're off out and I won't be able to access mumsnet. Thank you so much for trying to help xx

RachelW74 Sat 15-Jun-13 12:34:35

Rachel, 39, TTC for 6 years. Only just really made up my mind that I want the little critters guess that's why we've not rushed until now grin

Endo, LH ovary removed. RH ovary disappeared (buried under scar tissue).

Signed DE forms, had a scan, RH ovary appeared (got jealous of DEs).

First time on IVF, got NHS funding. EC on 5th June, transfer of 2 embs on the 8th.

DH's lads could swim for England.

P test on the 20th of June unless I go bloody insane before then.

Lifeasafish Sat 15-Jun-13 12:34:41

I am so dreadfully sorry, that was a horrific faux pas even by my standards....

Mind you - thank fuck it wasn't' a local garage or something.

(tame blush)

I cannot find a number... Will keep thinking of appropriate searches, but in the meantime I hope you have a good day out.

RachelW74 Sat 15-Jun-13 12:40:02

Tame you're not a big failure you're a fuckin' ace mate, to stilll be on here and telling us all that good news is all our good news is bloody amazing.

RachelW74 Sat 15-Jun-13 12:46:17

We had 14 eggs collected, 9 matured, 5 fertilised, 2 good enough to transfer on a 3DT. Embryologist lovely but said to DH "we'll monitor the other 3 but if you don't hear from us by Tuesday they weren't viable and we'll discard them". We didn't hear so they're gone.

Coordinator lovely but said to me, come in a day early so I can do your test and if it's negative I'll do a blood test as well to confirm it. Okaaaaay and if it's positive?!?!?!?

One word here EMPATHY!!!!!!! Try and have some!!!!!!

Juice they told us that they collect them and then leave them alone and don't check them again until Day 3 - does that work out in your case? A bit like don't keep opening the oven door to check your cake's cooked?

RachelW74 Sat 15-Jun-13 12:48:26

Juice still no excuse for just abandoning you like that, bloody awful shock

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 12:51:26

rachel I dont think I could ever leave this Fred. Especially after fish's spectacular faux pas. Somehow.....i just feel I belong, you know? I just love it here.

Chances are im not going to cycle again till august/sept/Oct but I need to just be here with you guys cos you are a bunch of eejits cos you make me feel sane.

I have a lot of prep to do before the next round and I need people to bounce ideas off too xxx

i do have the worst track record here though. 6 years and going for cycle 4. Fuck me hmm depressing.

Fabuluce Sat 15-Jun-13 14:00:22

Fab [sneaks a peak out from under the stalking blanket]
Age: 40
TTC: 2.5yrs
Unknown sub fertility issues other than in reproductive terms I'm considered a geriatric (thanks for that docs!)
AMH 9.5
DH amazing in terms of quantity and quality - direction is dubious!
1st ivf in jan - success! Mms at 8weeks, erpc at 10 weeks
2nd ivf long protocol scheduled July - currently on pill and down regging starts on 8th July.

Tame I'm so sorry you've had such an horrific roller coaster - truly horrid.

Juice - you've got your polka dot frock on so go be a funk soul sista, strut your funky stuff and try and ignore the fact your clinic is being beyond pants as at the moment it's out of your control. Breathe deeply...remember the soul train..remember the soul train...

Rachel, flower hello smile

Time to go back under my blanket now, currently trying to work out my evil work bollox - turns out it's not as easy as just quitting (sigh) so am keeping my head down for the time being...

buzzybee123 Sat 15-Jun-13 14:09:46

rachel the two clinics in Brno let you call and find out how the are doing accept day 4 at Reprofit for some reason they said not to

someone should be there to email or answer the phone, most clinics no matter where they are in the world, open on a Saturday if not the Sunday too

juicy +420 530 338 338 that is the only number I can find

Office Hours
ReproGenesis provides premium quality services. This is why appointments at weekends or during state holidays are available on request.
Monday8am – 4pm
Tuesday8am – 4pm
Wednesday8am – 4pm
Thursday8am – 4pm
Friday8am – 3pm

Karbea Sat 15-Jun-13 14:21:54


Quick update 9 of 10 icsi'd, 4 fertilised. I'm upset as last time 8 collected, 7 fertilised. DH and I not really talking!

buzzybee123 Sat 15-Jun-13 14:30:42

karbea as long as the quads keep going you'll have something put back and m,aybe something for the freezer smile

Karbea Sat 15-Jun-13 14:40:31

I doubt it very much we ended up with only 2 out of the 7 and only one of those was any good. I'm just so p'd off with my other half I told him I didn't want to start until he'd not been drinking for awhile, but he wanted to go for it, and even drunk whilst I was initially injecting. I'm so pissed off!

mejust Sat 15-Jun-13 14:43:10


life i know the jabs horrible mine really hurt aswell and it takes alot to have them done your not being a pussy and it does get to you but we both have to keep thinking its not long now and it will all be finished with a BFP for us i hope x

juicy i cant believe there is no one there today they should be available and giving you updates hang in there they might get back to you.

wish how you doing today taking it easy i hope.

hello to everyone else smile

iv decided to get as much house work done as i can incase like wish i get uncomfortable as the days go on lucky me.

mejust Sat 15-Jun-13 14:48:59

karb im sorry but please keep positive it only takes one.

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 14:53:07

Karbea- we only got 4 out of 13 and we were pretty mortified. I hear how you are feeling but you need to stick together now more than ever. Xxx 4 is a good number, they may even be better quality than last time.

resipsa Sat 15-Jun-13 15:15:17

I'm already exhausted by this thread but in a good way IYKWIM.

Karb sorry you're upset but you've still got a lot to work with and the day to day emotional rollercoaster you're on currently will slow down and let you off soon. I (by passive aggression) bullied DH into not drinking when we were in full IVF flw but it made no sodding difference so don't stress too much.

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 15:28:23

Gotta say, the healthier my DH is the worse his SA results are. You couldn't make it up.

respisa are things any better with your DH? Have you spoken anymore?

Karbea Sat 15-Jun-13 15:30:59

Umm well dhs were great last year when he was good.

Oh it is what it is! I'm looking at far flung holidays in July!

resipsa Sat 15-Jun-13 15:31:49

Oh, just seen the recap request downthread. Me 42, DH 37, TTC (no. 2) since Sept 11 with MMC in March 12 and failed 1st IVF cycle in May 13. Trying to figure out where next...

BUT major breakthrough as of yesterday when out of the blue DH emailed (he at work, me at home) a link to Care's DE page and a link to an article about DE IVF from Guardian (2012 but still a good read). Methinks he is trying to tell me something!!! grin

resipsa Sat 15-Jun-13 15:36:00

So long as no one likely to say "maybe if you just relax and go on holiday, it'll happen", booking a holiday anytime is A Good Thing.

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 15:37:02

Do you think he is on board then?

I hope so x

resipsa Sat 15-Jun-13 15:43:05

We're over half way there, I think. Emailed the clinic about it on Wednesday anyway but no reply yet (hmm). Bigger issue now is absent cycle. Used to ovulate day 17-20, currently on day 27 and no sign yet of egg or AF. Bloody IVF has screwed me up yet again.

resipsa Sat 15-Jun-13 15:44:44

How're you doing today? Your "desperately sad" post made me feel sad for you. I repeat that m/cs are the pits.

NookNook Sat 15-Jun-13 16:01:05

Bloody hell you bitches can talk!

Tame massive virtual hugs for you. I am so sad for you and husband. Xxx

Juicy hope reprobitch calls you back!

Mejust Life how's it going?

Hello Flower and Rachel

Saw that people are doing back stories....

Me: 34 Him: 40
Low amh. Trying for 5 years I think. 2 previous cycles no pregnancy.
Currently on 3rd ivf cycle. Had scan on Thursday and downreg all good. Start menopur + Prednisolone on Monday.

Am going to try and keep up now!

buzzybee123 Sat 15-Jun-13 16:03:23

res anyone who says relax and go on holiday should have hot pokers through their eyes angry

karbea sperm can change, I agree with the others, Barrys has become worse since he got all healthy and fit hmm our last cycle was his worst .5 morphology shock

tortie how are you holding up my lovely

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 16:12:47

Hello, darlings smile can I just thank you all - especially Fish and Buzzy, who went out of their way to get me info about the clinic. Lovely.

My coordinator finally rang me at 2.45pm - very flustered, very apologetic - saying that she had stayed overnight outside of the city and had no wi-fi etc and she was horrified I was upset, blah, blah..

Anyway, Day Two: 5 embryos left, 1 x 5 cell, 2 x 4 cell, 1 x 3 cell & 1 x 2 cell. She said the embryologist (probably her mum hmm) is very happy with this and says it is exactly what he would hope for at day two. I'm particularly happy because, when I compare today's news with that of my FF friend who had donor egg and donor sperm, by day two she had the same cell numbers as me exactly (except she had an extra two embryos). Anyway, I guess we are relying on the three frontrunners - the 5 cell and the two four cells.

I am back at the hotel after being thoroughly spoiled by th'usband who, I have to say, is an utter sweetheart. He has bought me a novel to shut me up (the Amazon one I ordered to be delivered to the hotel hasn't turned up yet), some gorgeous shoes and some L'Otticane foot oil. I asked him before if I was a) highly-strung b) mental c) have an impossibly low boredom threshold d) an imperious brat. He said: "You are all those things but they are what made me fall in love with you". I would disagree; I think it was the fact that I can deep-throat grin

I'm not sure where I would be without you all. Thank you for putting up with me thanks X

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 16:15:46

Can I just say that those having IVF and planning luxury holidays are making me wonder whether I actually live on the same planet envy

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 16:18:03

Im ok you guys. Emotionally, just feel empty.

Physically, I am very crampy but still no bleeding hmm it stopped on wednesday night and all im getting is the odd smear of old blood. I've stopped cyclogest so nothing holding it off. Am wondering what to expect? What am I waiting for? I also feel a bit fluey- bit dizzy, bit sick.

I had a mc before but not after ivf.

I have a scan on Tuesday to 'confirm' cos you have to have 2 scans a week apart and I have had 2 four days apart. I really want a d&c because of bad experience with last mc but I dont think I will get one being so early and I think I am just going to be left again. And im scared =(

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 16:22:24

Rachel, you asked about the embryo monitoring: the 'opening the oven door' scenario is one which is avoided with the embryoscope, which uses video time-lapse every 20 minutes to monitor the behaviour and viability of embryos so that it is highly unlikely that the embryos they decide to transfer are chromasomally abnormal, hence avoiding miscarriage as much as possible. Without the embryoscope you rely on the embryologist removing the embryos each day and examining them at one point in time through a microscope; he cannot see a continual stream of behaviour from the embryo and hence relies solely on his judgement as to which to transfer.

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 16:23:06

juicy im so happy you have an update. A good one too.

And I've got to say, the saga with you, fish and the phone number is possibly the funniest thing I have 'witnessed' all year (its been a quiet year on the comedy front...) and I was literally crying with laughter. Im sorry, I know its not funny for you but goodness me..... I do love you guys grin

I have everything crossed for your embies xxxxx

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 16:25:41

Tortie, I am so sorry you feel scared. Please have faith that this will turn out to be okay in terms of a swift outcome. I am thinking of you - we all are xx

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 16:28:20

Thank you juicy. And sorry if I sound heartless having a chuckle at the phone call saga.

DH didn't get what I was laughing at. He thinks we are all nuts. smile

MotorcycleMama Sat 15-Jun-13 16:32:34

Juicy - fantastic news!! Thank god you got an update, and a great one at that.

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 16:34:48


Reprofit: 'ello?

Me: Yes! My name is JUICY, that's J-U-I-C-Y, and I am ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS that you have not emailed me about my embryos! Where is Helena? Hmm? Where is she??!! Where is Dr Vrana? Can you hear me? What? What are you saying..?

Reprofit: Erm..'oo iz 'Elena?

Me (THUNDEROUS): YOU WHAT??? What do you mean "who is Helena?"! She's my bloody coordinator who was supposed to KEEP ME INFORMED about my bloody embryos! She is nowhere to be found AND YOUR CLINIC IS LOCKED UP WITH NO CARS THERE OR PEOPLE!!!

Reprofit: But, madame, I am 'ere...


Reprofit: But, zer iz no 'Elena 'ere at Reprofit!

Me: Oh. This is Reprofit?

Reprofit: But yes!

Me: Er...soz [click]


tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 16:39:45

oh juicy grin I really do think this is possibly the funniest thing ever. And I sort of LOVE fish for giving you the wrong number blush

"But Madame, I am 'ere..." grin

RachelW74 Sat 15-Jun-13 16:42:46

Juicy glad they got in touch, don't think the embryoscope has made it to sunny Leeds yet, they don't offer it at mine anyhoos.

buzzybee123 Sat 15-Jun-13 16:46:26

juicy I doubt you are first crazy forriner who has called up Reprofit, they shouldn't have such similar names grin your little embies sound good

tortie one of my miscarriages the baby stopped at about 6 weeks and after nearly a month of waiting and seeing, they gave me the option of a ERPC or medical management or au naturale so they should give you the option too

Lifeasafish Sat 15-Jun-13 16:48:01

Im so glad you've been tickled pink by the scenario tame! I am still cringing, but the whole thing including the transcript above reads like a carry on call centre. blush.

I couldn't remember the name of the clinic so googled ferility clinic, Brno saw reprofit and recognised the name blush.

juicy embryos sound great and can I apologise again for giving you grief! Though it was worth it to 'see' tame smile.

Lifeasafish Sat 15-Jun-13 16:55:03

Hey nooks how are you doing? I'm feeling angry and pissed off (and embarrassed re giving wrong numbers). I can 'feel' my stomach/ ovaries after only 3 days of stimming and I'm just so, so pissed off. And I don't know why.

juicy you can deep throat? Handy...

tame don't be scared re what happens next. Can you request the process that you want either via the clinic or your GP? You need to know what your options are and this is distressing enough without a drawn out process. Gaining some control (ie demanding what you want/ speaking with medicals) may make you feel a little better.

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 16:56:25

Fish, please don't apologise, I adore crazy mix-ups like this (obviously in hindsight when whatever the crisis was gets resolved). I cannot fully convey how arsey and loud I was blush

Rachel, CARE Manchester have the embryoscope (they pioneered it in the UK) which costs £750. It's £420 over here smile

Fabuluce Sat 15-Jun-13 16:58:24

Tame lovely, when you have your next scan they should give you the opportunity to have an erpc - they'll give the choice of that, a natural miscarriage or a medical induced miscarriage. I was scared too when I had my missed miscarriage and just wanted it over and done with having already waited for 2 weeks - the epu was excellent - booked me in the next day and it was all done - bad cramping was over after a couple of days thankfully. That just seemed like a far more civilised way of dealing with it all and far less traumatic for me. Good luck - virtual hugs for you

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 16:58:33

Aww, Fish, come on...let this negativity wash over you, let it happen in the knowledge that it's the drugs. Come on, sweetheart, you can do this thanks

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 17:00:05

AIBU to call the wrong clinic for an update on my embryo's??


1) why are there 2 clinics in one town anyway?
2) why is helena having jaunts out of town??
3) and why do both clinics start with the same 2 letters- RE???

They were asking for it.

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 17:03:50

Tortie,may I add something without adding to your head-fuckery? I was instadiffed last year after two months of trying. When I had a mmc at eleven weeks I didn't have the patience to miscarry naturally. The urge to TTC again was horrendous (and quite irrational, the body needs to recover) so I opted for the ERPC which was brilliant: easy-peasy-lemon-squeezy; no after-pain and literally only hours of mild cramping; almost zero blood.

However, since then I have not had a sniff of a BFP (in sixteen months) and in February they discovered a blocked fallopian tube during my lap & dye. I honestly believe the ERPC displaced some endometrial tissue (some was found behind an ovary) and blocked that tube. I will never again opt for the ERPC.

Lifeasafish Sat 15-Jun-13 17:07:06

juicy i'm still neutral. I just have the rage. Have taken to my bed as I suspect DH might be googling (This is/ was an actual divorce advice webiste) but thank you for the flowers!

tame there's some poor czech receptionist having after work drinks talking about a crazy woman who called up today. Hopefully she is laughing, but its all my fault!

But I'm glad you've been amused Juicy.

So, when EC day? Monday?

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 17:09:28

AIBU to think:

1) Czech castles should be built before 1984?

2) my husband should not have been smoking outside the clinic as soon as he shot his muck?

3) Helena should be chained to the embryoscope for the five days my little darlings are being monitored except for when she needs a shit?

4) that, actually, she should be fitted with a colostomy bag so she doesn't have to move?


JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 17:10:44

Fish, ET is Tuesday 18th.

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 17:13:20
JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 17:14:38

juicy steak displays the posting style of a goady fucker, obviously I'm not saying she is one just that there are similarities

Goady? Moi? grin

Lifeasafish Sat 15-Jun-13 17:14:57

2c YABU (its all about the post-coitus fag, the first thing I will do if this cycle is unsuccessful is have a fag)
3. YAMDNBU you are most definately not being unreasonable. I though the Czechs worked hard?
4. YNBU - if she works hard she'll skip lunch/ dinner and therefore won't need a shit. Win win all round grin

wishwash Sat 15-Jun-13 17:17:45

Juicy I'm so glad you have an answer and that its good news. I was starting to get stressed with you and started looking at flights out there to sort the bitch out myself!!!

mejust I am taking it very easy today. I was meant to be out with a friend but instead she insisted on coming over and making me lunch whilst we catch up with our tv programmes. I introduced her to Dexter today (the tv show that I am totally addicted to) so I got to start watching it again.

I am hugely bloated today and the amount of water is not helping. I'm peeing like a racehorse and am starting to resent the fact that I have to walk all the way through the front room and kitchen to get to the toilet. Its days like today I'm thankful for downstairs toilets!

I have lovely stretchy leggings on whilst are comfy but somehow make me look more bloated than I actually am. I'm starting to sink into the sofa so if I don't post after a day or two please come looking for me....

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 17:25:25

Fish! grin Love it!

WishICouldOrgasmFromPenetrationAlone, would a conveyor belt work from your lounge to the bog? You know, like one of those at the airport? I would have a Stannah stairlift fitted if only we didn't live in a bungalow hmm

wishwash Sat 15-Jun-13 17:27:24

Jesus Juicypissflaps you're a genuis. I'm ordering it today!

mejust Sat 15-Jun-13 17:44:00

nook where have you been great you start stimms monday how are feeling?

juicy great news the eggs are doing fine transfer in a few days if you havent killed half the clinic.

life you sound like how i was feeling on DR drugs,im weepy but because iv had enough now ,we may have a little baby on the way after all this and it will be worth it smile

wish glad your sinking into your sofa and resting ,i hope your being pampered .i used to watch dexter but into walking dead and ncis now.
keep stocked up on the goodies .

tam i dont know what to say but thinking of you flowers

hi euro motor choc buzz nokkie expat how are you doing

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 17:53:27

juicy I love the fact that despite everything you are going through you are still managing to go on the aibu board and goad and argue. High five my friend grin

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 17:54:59

Rachel, I just got this from a lady on FF:

"Re: monitoring. I understand it to be time lapsed photos used for selecting the best embryos. The embryos are kept in perfect temperature conditions per 12 cell pod and not disturbed (the non-monitoring method takes them in/out which doesn't help them). I don't understand the monitoring to be like embryo rescue or the like. That's why we lose some on the journey. I would also imagine that the embryologists can dial-in to the computer with the monitoring data from home, meaning they would go in if there was a big general problem. I would also imagine the machine is on UPS, so not affected by power cuts, etc.... A lot of computer monitoring these days is done in the same remote way. Doesn't mean it's not monitored.

I know it's stressful, but try to stay relaxed. They do know what they're doing. You just need to go with the flow."

In other words: chill the fuck out, you pompous, whining slag


wishwash Sat 15-Jun-13 17:55:43

mejust I'm still on season 2 of walking dead and finding it a bit slow. Mr Wish has told me to get through season 2 cause season 3 is awesome so I need to push through I think!

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 17:57:13

Tortie, I wrote all those deleted posts this morning whilst I was waiting for Helena to call grin

mejust Sat 15-Jun-13 18:00:59

wish yep iv watched season 3 its pretty good you get addicted to it cant wait for season 4 but got ages yet its got a few twists so hurry up and watch season 2 grin

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 18:01:33

Love it! grin

buzzybee123 Sat 15-Jun-13 18:04:19

tortie maybe see what is left when you have the scan on Tuesday, it usually takes a couple of days after stopping the the cyclogest for things to happen, I have had 2 ERPC's the second time they perforated my uterus and after being an instadiffer twice nothing has happened since, alot of women do say that after ERPC'S

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 18:08:34

Blimey, Buzzy, I didn't know that about you, that you were barren after ERPC. I wish they would officially investigate what damage can be done by these bloody so-called straightforward operations sad

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 18:09:53

Christ, I think the natural way may be better even if it does take aaaaages. sad

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 18:19:36

Tortie, a natural mc shouldn't take more than six weeks but I know how long that feels when plans are in the offing.

buzzybee123 Sat 15-Jun-13 18:21:43

tortie its a 1/350 chance of it happening and i'm not trying to scare you as natural miscarriage is fucking miserable too, I also have a tilted uterus which is probably why it happened, maybe just see what happens over the next few days

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 18:33:03

Maybe if there are things still there, i can ask for medical inducement? Get things moving. Grim.

buzzybee123 Sat 15-Jun-13 18:35:36

sadly it is grim, its hard to know what to do as you just want it over with

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 18:49:22

Yes, yes, Tortie, I would deffo consider the medical inducement way: two tablets up your vadge then another two a couple of days later and a bit of managed pain. I just have grave doubts about a strong vacuum displacing 'material' goodness-knows-where sad

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 18:49:23

The cramps are pretty bad so lets hope by Tuesday, its decided for me.

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 18:54:44

A couple of positive things have occurred during our stay:

1) We found a Tesco

2) We watched a superb firework show last night at the 'castle'

3) We are being 'reimbursed' somewhat for the fact that we spent last night having to bathe in darkness due to a short circuit in the hotel bathroom and the caretaker being pissed being unable to help.

4) We tried a brand new sexual position which th'usband we have never attempted before.

Silver linings and all that...

EuroShaggleton Sat 15-Jun-13 19:07:54

karbea 4 embies is still great. Remember I got pg with one on my natural cycle. IOTO! I understand your frustration with Mr K though, when you have to go through so much.

res that sounds like progress!

tortie my mc kicked off 4-5 days after stopping cyclogest. I went a bit crazy on Project Eviction though as I was desperate to avoid an ERPC - coffee, booze, flogging myself on really hard runs, etc. I had spotting Monday, some bleeding Tuesday, proper pain needing codeine Wednesday, passed what I think was the sac on Thursday and after that it was just like a normal period. I bled for two weeks in total. I felt a bit weak (and emotionally numb) but it wasn't too bad.

I enjoyed joos' comedy moment too. (But mostly I'm glad that she go through in the end!) We should write Carry On Down The Fertility Clinic. It'd be way funnier than the Ben Elton IVF book.

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 19:14:15

Thanks you guys x

Need to try and figure things out with work too- if it hasn't happened by Tuesday, I cant imagine waiting for all this to happen whilst at work. hmm

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 19:17:19

Tortie, you can do it, whatever the logistics. Keep talking us through your thoughts and we'll help all we can, 'cos we love you, we do smile

Karbea Sat 15-Jun-13 19:31:36

euro I'm ready for the embies to drop off one by one, the 7 I had last time quickly became 2, but it's just so quick that were already down to 4. I know I'm being a drama queen and people on make 4 or less. I was just so confident we were in a great place. I just expected him to say 9 had fertilised I guess :/

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 19:40:46

Karbea- I felt the same. I had 5 last time and put an 8 cell back on day 5- only put it back to have a transfer.

This time we had less and put a morula back and it worked. Hasn't ended well but it worked.

keep the faith chick xxx ioto

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 19:46:22

Karbea, your disappointment is palpable, but I'm hoping for some super-duper development for your four embies x

buzzybee123 Sat 15-Jun-13 20:10:45

I need to put my glasses on euro when I read your post I saw flogging myself and needing cocaine hmm

karbea we have such high expectations of this process and so much is riding on emotionally that its normal to feel like this

tortie see what happens over the next few days, I don't think pregnancy related illness goes on your sick record so if you need time off then take it.

Any volunteers to come and sit on my puku and help me shift my trapped wind hmm

Karbea Sat 15-Jun-13 20:29:19

Thanks girls, you really are lovely!

8pm on a Saturday night in the karbea household, one cyclogest and a clexane... I know how to live!

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 21:27:24

Can someone tell me why I'm still charting my temperatures? The progesterone injections are going to keep them high anyway, no? So there's nothing to be gained, right? confused

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 21:28:17

Why am I not on Clexane? Every IVFer in the world is on Clexane except me <wails> What is it for?

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 21:34:43

Clexane=enoxaparin=blood thinner.

If you have not tested positive for sticky blood/phospholipid blood conditions then you will not need it.

I didn't have it either. Don't worry x

And stop charting. Its useless at this stage. You will acheive 18 high temps on pred and progesterone xxx

buzzybee123 Sat 15-Jun-13 21:36:25

juicy some clinics will give it to supposedly help with implantation, I didn't have it but I was on baby aspirin

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 21:39:48

Be guided by your clinic on blood thinners though juicy- if you dont need them they work against implantation.

buzzybee123 Sat 15-Jun-13 22:04:35

agree with tortie

EuroShaggleton Sat 15-Jun-13 22:15:34

buzz that probably would have helped with Project Eviction too....

I don't take clexane either, joos. It's part of the standard protocol at my clinic but I wanted a hippy approach to IVF. I do take low dose aspirin after EC though. My hippy approach is a bit crap this time though - I just stabbed myself with some gonal f....

joos I'm an avid charter but I don't bother for IVF. As you say, the progesterone keeps your temp high, so there's really no point.

AFM, I feel crap. I think I am coming down with something. I hope it's not a fever - I don't want to boil my eggs. If it's a cold, will they do EC if I'm all snotty? Grrr. It's rubbish timing.

Karbea Sat 15-Jun-13 22:23:39

Euro it's great timing, your body will be focusing on killing the cold rath than doing any damage to your embies.

resipsa Sat 15-Jun-13 22:25:32

Euro hope you feel better soon and I guess they will just press on unless you're seriously unwell (on the basis that the uterus has no idea what's going on elsewhere).

Oh shit, did my ERPC screw my chances? Tame after first bleeding at 6 weeks but having to wait until nearly 10 weeks for them to confirm there was definitely nothing going on, I had to go for the surgical option as I was literally losing my mind but I wonder if to have gone the natural route might have been better. All the options are shit options. Hope you are doing OK.

juicy good stats. Bloody hell, you're nearly there (and so closer to convincing my DH (selfish, moi?)).

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 22:25:34

Thanks Tortie, Buzz & Euro. Now I am worried: I don't have any blood clotting issues but I am starting Fraxiparine injections the day after ET. Does this mean implantation will be jeopardised in my case?

resipsa Sat 15-Jun-13 22:27:09

I didn't have Clexane. Was I robbed?

Karbea Sat 15-Jun-13 22:28:48

Resipsa no! Clexane is the most evil painful drug ever! I'd love not to have to take it.

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 22:29:42

Resipsa, I meant to say how thrilled I am that your DH signalled an interest in DE IVF. What a good bloke smile

You feeling any more positive, KarbO'Hydrate?

resipsa Sat 15-Jun-13 22:32:50

Oh I hear ya - had Clexane after post-partum haemorrhage but the administration in those circumstances was easier to understand.

resipsa Sat 15-Jun-13 22:37:38

Joos for "interest", read it's a done deal. The history of our relationship is: disagree-I withdraw-he stops like a teenager-I convince him of the merits of my idea. It's a tried and tested formula albeit that the stakes here might never have been higher. It's when not if so over to the clinic (why no response after 2 working days or do I need to get over self?).

JuicyFatSausage Sat 15-Jun-13 22:39:40

Ugh. A BFN has just been reported from the ReproG forum on FF. She's had loads of IVF cycles, though, and I don't know any of her history sad

resipsa Sat 15-Jun-13 22:42:08

By the way, you asked downthread why we'd waited so long to have a child. Good question. Together since 97, DD born 2011. After recent events, you'll laugh at my response : I didn't want children but he did.

resipsa Sat 15-Jun-13 22:43:47

If she's had a long history of unsuccessful AC, probably nothing to be concluded from her BFN but bound to unsettle. Stay cool.

tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 22:46:04

Juicy- go with what your clinic advise. Don't question too much!! I have no blood issues but I had a heparin womb 'rinse' to make the lining more receptive. There is some evidence around recidulisation/decidulisation (sp?) of the womb lining and using blood thinners. Go with what they advise.


tametortie Sat 15-Jun-13 22:48:04

BFN means fuck all. She may have not used blood thinners wink

EuroShaggleton Sat 15-Jun-13 23:02:50

joos clinics all do things their own way with their own drug cocktails. Just trust in what your lots recommends.

BTW, I have never had an ERPC, but about 6 months before we started ttc, I think I had a chem preg when we were using withdrawal. Lots of women on the 10+ thread seem to have had a quick BFP, mc'd and then struggled (regardless of how the mc was dealt with). It seems to be a fairly common pattern.

Right, I'm off to bed. Night all.

RachelW74 Sun 16-Jun-13 00:00:41

I know it's stressful but try to stay relaxed Think positive thoughts DH said the other day "but what is it that's upsetting you?" Love him but yarrgggh. Juicy I am glad you got through to your clinic eventually and that she apologised for abandoning you. I just wish ours had been a bit more sensitive about the chucking in the bin of the ones that didn't make it but hey, worse things happen at sea. Only 83 hours now until my test I'm sure I won't ram myself in the brain with a pencil before then.

tametortie Sun 16-Jun-13 08:15:00

<gets comfy ready for Helena's embryo update>

Morning all x

LadyJuice Sun 16-Jun-13 08:38:59 appears 'Elena slept chained to the embryoscope last night with her bedpan because - lo! and behold! - I have been updated at 8.15am Czech time!!

Day three update: 4 embryos

1 x 10 cell
1 x 9 cell
1 x 8 cell
1 x 7 cell

I am thrilled grin

[waves at Tortempole] X

tametortie Sun 16-Jun-13 09:00:38


Excellent news!!

MotorcycleMama Sun 16-Jun-13 09:01:24

Woo-hoo Juicy!!

EuroShaggleton Sun 16-Jun-13 09:08:55

Great news joos!

LadyJuice Sun 16-Jun-13 09:13:28

Thanks, ladies, I am so excited I'm going to stay in my hotel all day reading my new novel grin

Karbea Sun 16-Jun-13 10:07:17

Well done juicy.

Afm, all have divided but all fragmented, so going back in tmr, I'm just not sure it's worth putting them back in.

mejust Sun 16-Jun-13 10:18:18

juicy great news.

well i took my 5th jab of stimms last night and today im pretty bloated and my stomach just feels weird in there is this normal im also really tired my body feels drained.

tametortie Sun 16-Jun-13 10:20:48

Ooooh karbea, I didn't realise you would be updating us too!

Listen, I feel your disappointment. I felt the same this time too. If you saw the pic I have of my embies, they are VERY mashed up and fragmented.

Please please, stay positive. Hold on to a bit of hope. Bad looking embryos make beautiful babies all the time. Embryology is not always a science, sometimes its pure luck and things just work out.

Don't google, dont stress and dont worry.

What is done is done, now is the time to root for those little babies and get them on board.

Did they say how many cells they are each?

Im going to give you a little snuggle and a hair stroke karbea cos I feel your pain when embies are not looking good, my past 2 cycles have been the same xxxxxx

mejust Sun 16-Jun-13 10:24:31

karb i really hope all goes well for you x

EuroShaggleton Sun 16-Jun-13 10:27:24

karbea one of the 10+ ladies had a BFN with a great embryo on a fresh cycle. Got her BFP with a frozen cycle from a lower grade embie. Don't despair!

LadyJuice Sun 16-Jun-13 10:34:31

Come on, Karbea, there is hope, sweetheart thanks xx

buzzybee123 Sun 16-Jun-13 10:34:40

juicy they usually discuss your drugs and treatments at EC, I wouldn't worry about it now, each clinic is different, great news on your embies

tortie how are you doing??

Karbea it is worth it as you never know, I chat to a woman who did everything spent nearly 10k had 3 put back and nothing, then I know of others who have had FET with average ones and got a baby from it

euro hope you are feeling better, didn't gin postpone her FET when she wasn't well?? Not what yo want to do when you are stimming though

mejust you are nearly there, only a few more days

Karbea Sun 16-Jun-13 10:48:58

Thanks ladies, I know, I don't know how many cells, guess we will know more tmr.

tametortie Sun 16-Jun-13 10:49:28

Buzzy- operation eviction is well underway. I won't make an erpc, no way. The cramps are immense and bleeding is heavy. I am ok though, just uncomfortable.

Me and DH have had a cry this morning and we are now working on a spreadsheet for saving for another go. I really dont want to put money on a credit card so feel positive making plans.

We contacted TDL in London yesterday regarding the DNA fragmentation test. We were going to book it via the zita west clinic as we have been there for nutrition appointments. With their referral it was going to cost us £450. If we go direct it will be £330. hmm zita west is fucking mocking me! We just need to get a referral letter from our clinic to book ourselves. I hope they will do it.

Looking forward to a nice day out in London while DH gets that done. If anyone is London way and wants to grab a coffee while DH has a wank, let me know.

I feel very low today tbh but I am missing DD and she will be back later.

I worked out yesterday that we started TTC when DD started school. She goes to secondary school next year. hmm

NookNook Sun 16-Jun-13 15:15:45

Karb just wanted to pop in and give you a big hug. Rooting for your little embies. X

Juicy excellent news! I hope you're enjoying your novel.

Tame you are so brave and strong. So sensible to not put stuff on credit cards. I think the possible debts can be just as stressful as the fertility stuff. I'm in London - message me when you're coming down!

Mejust you're further on than me -lucky devil! I remember feeling bloated and uncomfortable last time. Just think of all those beautiful plump eggs squishing themselves in there!

Nokkie73 Sun 16-Jun-13 16:25:46

Afternoon ladies.

nicebigfatjoosiesteak well those embies are getting it on down in Funky Town, aren't they ? Dividing nicely for day three. After the Carry On-esque capers of yesterday (which did make me chuckle) things are going to plan. Excited ? ET on Tuesday, yes ? It seems the elusive Elena didn't have dinner or a poop after all.

karb the girls are absolutely right about not giving-up hope yet. They have divided, which is wonderful news. Lets see what tomorrow brings but please please please try to stay positive.

tame I know what you are going through at the moment is a total bag of shit but (trying to take a positive from it all) I think the fact that your body is doing it naturally is a good thing. I wouldn't say I was an instadiffer after we started trying, but I was diffed within four and a half months. I obviously mc'd and had to have an ERPC because nothing was happening, even after a week. After that, not even a sniff of a diff. I really wonder about ERPC's and whether they should investigate in more detail Wimmins who have them and then have trouble conceiving - it could save lots of unnecessary fully blown fertility treatment for lots of people.

I would love to see you (and anyone else) for a coffee while your DH shakes hands with the one eyed milkman and has a little 'me' time with some shit porn. Let me know when you are coming down - the milky bars are on me kiddo. You have a plan, which is a fantastic way forward.

mejust go ON girl ! You are really into the swing of it now. Nearly there grin. Feeling a bit more positive ?

euro sounds like your plans have changed a bit too ! I have to say that you seem remarkably zen about the whole thing, considering you hate all the druggie faff which comes with ivf. All ok in the Shaggleton household today ? Feeling less ill ?

res great news on dh's change of heart.

buzz how are things with you today ?

rach the 2ww is an absolute cuntbag. Have you managed to move away from the homicidal pencils yet ? Are you off work ?

motor you must be counting down now until you can kick all this off. Ready ?

Hi to everyone else I haven't name-checked.

We have just back from That London. Went to 'Treasures of the Royal Court' at the V&A. Hark at me and my fancy London ways. Paid £5.25 for a thimbleful of coffee and a sliver, and I mean the mingiest of mingebag slivers, of lemon drizzle cake. They saw me coming, I tells you. Still, it was really nice of me to arrange it and pay for it all and drag his sorry ungrateful arse out of bed to spend some time together. Eyeroll.

Noks xx

buzzybee123 Sun 16-Jun-13 16:52:20

tortie and noks I am keen for a catch up in Londinium depending on whether I am functional or not of course hmm

tametortie Sun 16-Jun-13 17:07:29

Buzzy- still feeling sick?? Tis a grim feeling. I too have had a morning of throwing up but mine was due to too much of me ma's codeine grin oops!

DH is going to liaise between clinic and TDL tomorrow so will come back with some dates....

Will do some personals later....watching diamonds are forever and trying to keep my pissholes in the snow open....

buzzybee123 Sun 16-Jun-13 17:50:01

I've just had some bright red blood sad

Nokkie73 Sun 16-Jun-13 18:05:33

Oh buzz , can you get to the EPU today ?

buzzybee123 Sun 16-Jun-13 18:19:25

not on a Sunday night, I will go tomorrow morning

tametortie Sun 16-Jun-13 18:26:37

Buzzy- hold tight, it may not be bad news.

do you have any pain or cramps?

Hand hold here xxxxxxxx

buzzybee123 Sun 16-Jun-13 18:31:31

feels like cramps, boobs don't hurt, don't feel sick, its not looking good

tametortie Sun 16-Jun-13 18:34:02

Don't panic chick. There are a million things it could be. Is the bleeding heavy or was it just spots of red?

Im not familiar with London but I have seen ladies say that st.thomas has a brilliant epu that is always open and you dont need an appointment. Is that near you?


buzzybee123 Sun 16-Jun-13 18:47:55

not really I'll go my own tomorrow, loss of symptoms isn't a good sign though

tametortie Sun 16-Jun-13 18:51:10

Symptoms go on and off all the time. Equally, some days your symptoms can be really strong- that isnt a sure sign.

Put your feet up and drink loads of water- dehydration can make you spot.

I really think if it gets heavier or painful you should try and see someone tonight. Even if it means going to a&e- you have been through too much to get here xxx

buzzybee123 Sun 16-Jun-13 19:00:03

lack of sore boobs though, last time I ha that I miscarried, on a Sunday night too, I've been drinking plenty of water and its a bit more than just spotting

EuroShaggleton Sun 16-Jun-13 19:07:12

tortie my clinic is just around the corner from TDL (in fact that is where they send me for blood tests) so let me know what day and if I am in the area I'd love to have a coffee while Mr Tortie does his stuff!

Sorry to hear the cramps have ramped up, but on the positive side you are a bit closer to being able to move on. I hope that is the right thing to say - being able to move on as important to me when I was going through it all. I just needed the misery to be over.

buzz/noks bizarrely I feel ok today. Hopefully it was just a 24 hr thing. Or maybe shooting things cures all ills.... hmm

noks that sounds like a lovely day. Is the exhibition good?

Oh buzz not bleeding. That's crap. You really don't need more worry! I know you know that symptoms come and go, and lots of women bleed, but it must be so worrying.

tametortie Sun 16-Jun-13 19:10:01

Im totally with you with the anxiety. Its so hard.

Stay calm though. You know it may still all be ok. This is a totally different pregnancy xxxx

will you go to epau first thing in the morning?

tametortie Sun 16-Jun-13 19:12:42

Is TDL the place with lots of armchairs in the waiting room?

There are loads of you in laaaandaaaaaan!! A cuppa and faces to names would be fab.

buzzybee123 Sun 16-Jun-13 19:13:58

I feel quite calm really no tears, it is what I was expecting, not sure if I would bother with FET, feel a bit annoyed that I've been on the drugs gained so much weight and all for nothing hmm my boobs are smaller too now and don't hurt at all still got cramps

ManJuice Sun 16-Jun-13 19:14:42

Buzzy, I know these similarities - it being a Sunday and the lack of symptoms - have you convinced of the worst but we are here to remind you that this was a beautiful young egg and therefore not in the same league as your last pregnancies. I hope that isn't tactless of me. I'm trying to help you see a bit rationally. I know you're freaked out but please don't tell yourself this pregnancy is like your others. It isn't. Big, fat squeeze thanks X

tametortie Sun 16-Jun-13 19:16:25

Got to say, the cramps have been dreadful today. I keep going very grey in the face when they build up but the level of bleeding isnt really matching the cramps?? Get what I mean?? The pain is awful but the bleeding has tailed off to quite pathetic really.

Im not sure about work tomorrow- im scared of things escalating and these cramps are just awful sad

tametortie Sun 16-Jun-13 19:17:57

Squeeze from me too buzzy. Juicy is right- this pregnancy is different. And you have seen a heartbeat xxx

ManJuice Sun 16-Jun-13 19:20:53

Tortie, you can do this, sweetheart, you can - but please don't go to work. The strength of these pains won't last but they won't be doable tomorrow. Please take care thanks X

buzzybee123 Sun 16-Jun-13 19:21:17

well obviously it has nothing to do with the egg then does it juicy, it could be my husbands sperm or it could be my nk cells

I am not freaked out at all, I knew there was a great risk of the pregnancy nt working as this is my forth time and I have no children, I am accepting of not having a child biologically and that my husband and I have the options of adopting or being a childless couple, there is no point hoping for something that has a very slim chance of being, I really am not expecting to see a heartbeat tomorrow, thats just life.

tortie I would take a few days off, I plan to have the next week or so off, I won't be letting them do an ERPC so will have to brace myself for the horror

ManJuice Sun 16-Jun-13 19:34:51

Sorry I upset you, buzzy.

Karbea Sun 16-Jun-13 19:46:43

I'm in Bucks so can easily get to London. smile

EuroShaggleton Sun 16-Jun-13 19:55:59

Yep, that's the place tortie. When I was there on Friday, someone had left a trail of blood through the waiting room....

mejust Sun 16-Jun-13 20:06:59

tam i wouldnt go to work take a day or 2 off you need to be at home x

buzz lots of women do have bleeds it may not be bad news,do you have a scan tomorrow?

buzzybee123 Sun 16-Jun-13 20:07:46

I saw a heartbeat last time it doesn't make a difference ladies

tametortie Sun 16-Jun-13 20:15:55

Buzzy- nothing any of us say can convince you otherwise- I know that. Once you get that feeling of fear it just takes over. I wish we could make you feel better but I know we can't.

Just take it easy tonight and get yourself into epu tomorrow xxx hopefully that will put your mind at rest more than we can. Hope the bleeding has stopped xxx

mejust Sun 16-Jun-13 20:32:40

nokkie not really very positive im worn down with it all tbh,even the buserelin jabs are killing now as no space on are you?

nook do you start stimms tomorrow?

will i have to stimm for the full 12 days or do some stop earlier my legs are really bruised and sore todays day 6

Karbea Sun 16-Jun-13 20:55:48

Me just, don't they monitor your follicle growth and determine how long you stim for based on that?

I've been googling what real diseases you have that means you have clexane, I hate that bloody injection!

tametortie Sun 16-Jun-13 20:59:26

Mejust, they will scan you and see what the follies are doing. Isn't it usually 8-14 days?

mejust Sun 16-Jun-13 21:28:03

hi my scans on day 8 im just hoping i dont have to do 12 days and was wondering if anyone stimmed shorter its all took its toll on me now.

tametortie Sun 16-Jun-13 21:29:49

I did it for 9 days. Fingers crossed you are lucky!!

mejust Sun 16-Jun-13 21:34:41

tam do you still stimm the same day as trigger?

tametortie Sun 16-Jun-13 21:41:46

I didn't. I had 8 days of menopur 300iu, 1 day of 225iu then buserelin on day of trigger but no menopur, trigger in the evening then a day off all drugs the day before EC.

Karbea Sun 16-Jun-13 21:46:26

I stimmed for 11 days, I did 150 of merional and 150 of fostimon at around lunch time then triggered at 7:30 in the eve.

chocoloco1 Sun 16-Jun-13 21:47:20

buzzy so sorry you're going through this shit and will be eagerly waiting to hear an update from you tomorrow. Only you know how you feel, but so hope things will turn out ok

juicy great news on the embies, any sweepstakes on what time Helena will be ringing tomorrow, post dump? How is Brno today? Any tourist info updates?

karbea hope you get good news tomorrow about your embryos, as the others have said, it's hard to tell which embryos are going to be successful from the look of them sometimes. Look forward to your news tomorrow

tame you are sounding so strong and are an inspiration to us all. Hang on in there lovely, really feel for you. Hope DD is back home by now.

mejust poor old you. I stimmed for 13 days I think, but I was a slow/poor responder, hopefully, with monitoring, you'll be ready before then and you won't have too many more jabs ahead of you after that.

euro have the stims been going ok?

wish how has your restful weekend been, and the protein guzzling? Look forward to hearing about all your amazing follicle growth tomorrow smile

Hey noks cake sounds nice, even if it was only a sliver. It's making me hungry, am trying to lose a bit of weight and am avoiding all nice food!

Hello to everyone else. AFM, only one more day to wait for my consultation, am really trying not to wish my life away, but am so keen to get on the IVF rollercoaster again

tametortie Sun 16-Jun-13 21:55:06

DD is home and snoring in bed next to me. We have had lots of tears because she hasn't seen me much all weekend hmm nice to be wanted!!

mejust Sun 16-Jun-13 21:57:11

tam i didnt know that im still taking 0.5 buserelin and on 150 menopur
i never want to see another injection again after this.
sorry to be rambling on about silly things when your going through this but iv never done this before .
take it easy and rest at home tomorrow,my miscarriage lasted a couple of days i know what your going through its horrible x

tametortie Sun 16-Jun-13 22:03:11

Its ok smile keep taking your buserilin because thats what stops you ovulating. But on trigger day I didn't take stims, just buserlin and trigger. Don't stop the buserilin till they tell you to! You will start laying x

MotorcycleMama Sun 16-Jun-13 22:05:50

Buzzy Just to say I'm thinking of you, and praying for a good outcome for you.

Tame Thinking of you as well, and hoping you can do this in whatever way feels the most manageable for you. I know I really wanted my mmc to get rid of itself without medical intervention, and spent a few days jumping up and down really hard on concrete (was past caring what anybody thought!), but I had to have ERPC in the end. Most definitely do not go to work.

Juicy Thinking of you too, and willing those gorgeous embies to be strong so you can be a mummy.

Karbea ditto.

Love to everybody else. xx

mejust Sun 16-Jun-13 22:12:13

karb how were you with the trigger do you have to inject that in the stomach

Karbea Sun 16-Jun-13 22:28:49

Mejust yes, I had to keep it in the fridge, but when I was ready just mixed it like the others and injected it in my belly 3cms from belly button. Was easy, the thought of it is worse than doing it.

wishwash Sun 16-Jun-13 22:42:41

Hi ladies

buzzy I know there's nothing I can say so I just want you to know that I have my fingers crossed for good news

mejust I'm on my 12 stay of stimming, morning injection in the tummy, evening injection in the leg. I'm getting a bit fed up too sad

choco my weekend has been amazing. I haven't let the house and everyone has come to me. I've struggled with the protein because I'm so bloated I haven't wanted to eat! I think I got my 80g a day in though. I just feel terrible after I've eaten.

Hopefully tomorrow will make it all worth it

Hey everyone else

mejust Sun 16-Jun-13 22:47:08

wish have you got a scan tomorrow ?

wishwash Sun 16-Jun-13 23:05:55

Yeah at 10am. The whole cycle is dependant on what the scan shows tomorrow so I'm a little nervous hmm

MotorcycleMama Sun 16-Jun-13 23:08:23

Good luck wish. Hope it all goes well.

mejust Sun 16-Jun-13 23:17:21

good luck tomorrow wish x

wishwash Sun 16-Jun-13 23:18:47

Thank you flowers

MotorcycleMama Sun 16-Jun-13 23:19:17

I seem to be having a lot of watery CM and don't know whether this should be the case. Downreg injection should still be in effect (had it 28th May and it lasts 'for 6 - 8 weeks') and I'm on oestrogen tabs progynova 2mg three times a day. Sorry for sharing about my bodily fluids, but I'm worried in case it is an indication that the drugs aren't working.

Any words of wisdom?

wishwash Sun 16-Jun-13 23:57:18

Sorry motor I can't help you, I have no idea

I'm totally freaking out. I've just read about cycles being cancelled because of low estradiol and I'm convinced its gonna happen to us tomorrow! I can't sleep and DP is getting shirty cause I'm stressing myself out. I can't help it, I just know its going to be cancelled

Karbea Mon 17-Jun-13 06:25:20

Motorcycle expect all shorts of weird discharge, wet, gloopy, creamy it can all happen, perfectly normal.

Wish what is you estradiol number? It'll be fine.

Afm stressing about when/how to do my suppository as I'll be at the clinic, I normally lay down, going to have to do it in the loo squat!?!?

ManJuice Mon 17-Jun-13 07:51:44

Day Four: 4 embryos

2 x compacted morula
2 x 9 cell

Don't think we'll have any to freeze by tomorrow after the two blastos are transferred sad

Sorry if that sounds greedy, but this is our one and only chance if we don't get a frostie.

Thinking of Buzzy, Wish, Mejust, Tortie and anyone else who's struggling and feeling rotten xx

tametortie Mon 17-Jun-13 07:53:50

Juicy- I think you will be surprised. Those 9 cells may well compact today xxx good news xxx

resipsa Mon 17-Jun-13 07:59:13

Buzzy hmm

Hope your worst fear isn't realised.

Good luck wish.

Juicy you're getting 2 blasts??? Rejoice!

resipsa Mon 17-Jun-13 08:01:46

Tame hope you are doing OK. Guess DD doesn't know? It is nice to be wanted. Mine said yesterday that she wanted another mummy hmm.

MotorcycleMama Mon 17-Jun-13 09:02:34

Fantastic news juicy! Transfer tomorrow eh? How are you feeling?

mejust Mon 17-Jun-13 10:15:20

juicy all looking good for you,good luck with the transfer tomorrow.

wish come back and update us hope your scan went well.

life how you getting on?

karb any news this morning?

well im feeling even more bloated day 7,my stomach feels weird and just wrong im worried ill be bad after EC as im worn out and run down from all this and when im run down i get anxiety and palps

wishwash Mon 17-Jun-13 10:19:55

mejust I'm completely with you. I will be bad after EC too if I ever get there?!

I'm still sat in the waiting room waiting for my scan. I'm so nervous I feel like I waiting for my driving test all over again!

I just want the bad news so I can move on...

mejust Mon 17-Jun-13 10:45:51

i know what you mean you get to your appointment and a nervous wreck and left waiting half an hour,i really hope they tell you to trigger so you can get EC over with and all the of luck fingers crossed for you x

tametortie Mon 17-Jun-13 10:50:55

Good luck Wish- let us know xxx

EuroShaggleton Mon 17-Jun-13 11:02:28

wish I hope all is well at your scan.

joos 2 blasts would be totes amazeballs. smile

Aw tame it's nice to be so wanted.

I've had my second scan this morning. After 2 days of stims I have 8 follies between 10 and 15mm. The dr reckons I might get half that at EC as she wouldn't expect all those to develop on a natural modified cycle, which is absolutely fine. I was only expecting one before Friday's scan led to a change of plan. I'm adding Cetrocide into the mix today, so my hippy days are well and truly behind me.

MurderOfCrows Mon 17-Jun-13 11:13:41

Euro, you dirty smack-head, you. You go, girl!

Wish, good luck today.

Off to the beach in 33° heat. Yuk.

ManJuice Mon 17-Jun-13 11:15:39

Erm...nah, think I'll stick to the Juice

Karbea Mon 17-Jun-13 11:15:50

Ok… 2, 3 cell, 4 cell both slightly fragmented have gone back in, slow growers apparently. But still viable apparently

Eggs were grainy and morphology and volume issues.

wishwash Mon 17-Jun-13 11:34:23

Yaaaay! I will have 7-10 good size follies and EC is arranged for Thursday. Grinning like a Cheshire Cat smile

chocoloco1 Mon 17-Jun-13 11:42:54

Well done karbea and wish grin

chocoloco1 Mon 17-Jun-13 11:43:42

And juice , sorry!

EuroShaggleton Mon 17-Jun-13 11:51:13

joos that sounds terrible....

wish that's brilliant!

karbea that's great news. I'll have everything crossed for you.

chocoloco1 Mon 17-Jun-13 12:01:14

euro, sorry, great news about your follies

resipsa Mon 17-Jun-13 13:40:34

Random questions for anyone more informed than me (whilst I take an enforced break from a very dull work day), all DE related:

1. What drugs do you have to take?
2. Is it less "full on" (physically anyway) than OE cycle?
3. How do they synch you and D?
4. What happens to the egg you (ceteris paribus) produce that month or do they stop it?

Any contributions to poor knowledge base welcome as STILL waiting for clinic to get back to me with info (isn't the £6,000 we've spent already enough to merit a prompt reply?).

resipsa Mon 17-Jun-13 13:41:14

euro and wish - good news.

resipsa Mon 17-Jun-13 13:42:02

Karb fingers crossed.

Lifeasafish Mon 17-Jun-13 15:14:41

juice whats are mantra? It only takes one! Plus after the fuss you've made in Brno, They'll ensure you're knocked up so you dont return. grin when are you due ET

wish well done for growing those follies! Almost there!
murder I am envy beach in 33 degrees is my idea of heaven!

karbea the best things are matured slowly (roast lamb, cheese, wine) well done on getting here!

mejust how are you getting on? My update below will answer both our questions probably hmm i realised today we (and nooks) are nearly at the end of the jabs. Not much longer now

tortie i'm a landoner and will be more than happy to keep you company while DH has a wank grin

respisa I'm glad DH has come round. Seems he may have been frightened in some way?

buzzy cyber hugs. Any upate? Try to stay as neutral as possible, but I am thinking of you.

ManJuice Mon 17-Jun-13 15:18:53

Wish, lovely news, well done!

Karb, keep your chin up. is this an NHS cycle of have you gone private? Sorry I need reminding.

Hi, Choco, how are you, lovely? Thanks for keep cheering us all on x

Resipsa, I personally have felt absolutely no difference being on any of these drugs - no side-effects; nothing (apart from a few days of increased libido whilst on the oestrogens). I had a mock cycle to bring me and the donor into alignment (no downregging at all) and was stimmed with oestrogens in the transfer cycle itself, then Cetrotide injections to stop ovulation and finally Ovitrelle 36 hours before donor EC. Throughout the transfer cycle you continue with the oestrogen and the Prednisolone (anti-inflammatory) steroid.

Tomorrow (ET) I will be injected with Pregnyl (HCG) and continur with the Agolutin injections (progesterone) which I've been stabbing with since day after EC. On Wednesday I will start the Fraxipane (anti-clotting) injections. Hope this is clear enough.

All I can say is this is the easiest ride I've ever had smile don't produce an egg during the transfer cycle (despite getting the most copious amounts of EWCM you've ever had in your life)

Karbea Mon 17-Jun-13 15:23:47

Man juice we've gone privately, second time with the argc.

Lifeasafish Mon 17-Jun-13 15:24:19

AFM I'm struggling. I'm very, very emotional. I'm upset(still neutral about my chances), but this weekend has thrown every emotion at me. Including a woman who I think was in labour (she was certainly huge and extremely uncomfortable), in front of me.

My DH is struggling and very worried about me. My ovaries hurt, my stomach hurts, my head hurts, I have no energy and the ability to cry at the drop of a hat. Oh, and my head hurts... And my stomach hurts and my ovaries hurt.

HOWEVER... Its only been a few weeks. Ive had flu not much worse. It'll will hopefully be worth it and if not, it was a good practice run.

I had a scan today. I've now been stimming for 7 days and have 8 growing follicles. I will hear later whether or not my gonal-f dose will change. I had bloods taken as well. My lining is fine (8mm I think the doc said). The nurse said more follicles can grow so they are still treading carefully as no one wants all 48.

Does this sound like a low harvest? I'm not sure where it should be now.

ManJuice Mon 17-Jun-13 15:24:27

Fish, it's funny you should say that, because this morning's email from Helena informing us of the embryos' progress finished with the comment: 'I am looking forward to see you tomorrow at 8:30am. Don´t forget to bring a good mood' [smiley face]!

What could she mean?


Lifeasafish Mon 17-Jun-13 15:29:41

She's had a call from reprofit... Maybe she goes drinking with the receptionist.

Either way, immigration at the airport will be looking for you to ensure you fuck off out the country before you single- handedly ruin their tourist industry with your updates grin

MotorcycleMama Mon 17-Jun-13 15:32:56

Resipsa I am doing DE but have had a totally different protocol to Juicy. 6 weeks from start to (fingers crossed) pregnancy test. Start with downreg injection to inhibit own cycle, start oestrogen tablets (and aspirin due to raised risk of blood clots) two weeks later, add progesterone suppositories night before egg collection, and continue on both of those up to 12 wks into pregnancy (if you get that far).
I really don't know how this compares to OE protocols, but you obviously don't need the meds to stimulate egg production.
I felt pretty rotten on the second week of downregging, but otherwise I've been quite fine. Having said that, I've just come home from work early and have got straight into bed, as I felt overwhelmingly exhausted today, which is very unusual for me. Don't reckon it is anything to do with the meds though.
Hope that helps..

ManJuice Mon 17-Jun-13 15:41:37

Fishy-SmellingTwat, I hate to hear you are so low but encouraged that you can see the advantages of being pumped full of drugs and feeling melancholy - there's a baby at your clinic with your name on it smile

You crack me up, Fish. Yep, I reckon Brno will be chuffed as fuck to see the back of me, although I have just sat uncomplainingly in the boiling hot sun with a floor-length lycra tube dress on while th'usband stripped to his kecks and swam in the beautiful lake. For. Three. Hours.

I only lost my cool when I had to use a chemical toilet nestled in some beautiful woodlands which was full to the brim with used sanitary towels, shit, full nappies, cans, used condoms and the odd syringe. Th'usband spent a very patient hour-and-a-half explaining how the toilet was not designed or built by him and that he could not possibly be blamed for the state of it and no, he did not need to go and inspect it in order to fully understand my apoplexy hmm grin

mejust Mon 17-Jun-13 16:42:09

life pleased your scan went well,iv had enough aswell i hope im ready tomorrow to trigger after 8 days but doubt it as everyone seems to stimm longer.i dont want to do anymore sick of pain bruises and shit nights sleep,everyday injecting is a battle now im that bruised it kills and want it all to stop after 5 weeks of this.i think most feel like this as wish has been through the ringer aswell.

juicy sounds like you have had a great time im glad and best of luck for tomorrow.

nook how you doing?

wish do you trigger tomorrow?

tam thinking of you.

karb good luck.
hello to motor buz expat euro nokkie and everyone else

Lifeasafish Mon 17-Jun-13 17:04:55

mejust sending you cyber hugs. Though I think you are wrong stating that juicy had a good time! She makes Brno sound like a large scale fawlty towers! I have no words of wisdom. But just to warn you, I nearlypassed out when i saw the bloods needle this morn. IT.WAS.HUGE... Maybe 2 inches. The nurse told me -after- jabbing me that only the tip goes in hmm.

Just had a call from the clinic, my dosage is changing. Still 112.5 of gonal-f, but this will reduce to 75 tm. I am so resigned to my carcass bein a medical experiment that I didn't even ask any questions - it must be due to my bloods.

Lifeasafish Mon 17-Jun-13 17:08:25

juicy poor mrjuicy. Has anyone else got visions of mr juicy as hyacinth buckets husband and juicy playing a female victor meldrew?

juicy i think you should call the local brno health and safety, council and environmental authorities over that <evil> christ, do it after the ET - you'll get a free flight home!

Lifeasafish Mon 17-Jun-13 17:13:08

Thanks for the sympathy btw. I am crying a lot, but to be honest I really think most of it is hormonal, I don't feel in control of my emotions. And I feel very, very sorry for myself.

Yet, I am still happily ambivalent about the IVF itself.

resipsa Mon 17-Jun-13 17:14:14

Thanks for all the info, peeps. If you can provide the donor, drugs and ET, can I just skip the clinic and pay you lot to get me that baby?

resipsa Mon 17-Jun-13 17:16:35

Gotta admit, Brno is never going to be on my list of must-sees after your daily dispatches (unless you come home with those twins in which case I'll book tickets the same day).

wishwash Mon 17-Jun-13 18:26:33

Thanks everyone, I'm very chuffed. I've also just found out at DP's parents are going to pay for me to have a second week off work to give me the best chances.

Mejust yeah I trigger tomorrow night. Then I get a day off from injections on Wednesday which will be really strange.

life I feel for you, it's really not nice when you're not in control of your emotions. It will be worth it though

NookNook Mon 17-Jun-13 19:20:37

Just wrote a eeally long post and it's gone! Fucking phone.

I was really witty and funny in the last post and I can't remember exactly what I wrote so I'll paraphrase:

Mejust I start stimming today so I'm a bit excited about the next phase! You are so far ahead of me lady.

Juice so excited for you! Can you make your next nickname Mingejuice or will that get you booted of mn?

Life I really feel for you. These drugs are the pits. I do the "god I'm so fucking angry and upset right now, what the hell is wrong with ..... oh" . Good though that you're still ok with the ivf bit though!

mejust Mon 17-Jun-13 19:35:53

nook i thought you did what are you stimming with?

life what a massive bloody needle for a few bloods where they taking it from organs hmm,has your stomach bloated mine feels heavy bloated and its getting harder to do normal stuff i seem to be walking slow and im really tired.any idea on your EC?

wish i bet your happy now believe me you wont miss them injections,how you feeling are you still resting up?

Lifeasafish Mon 17-Jun-13 19:47:38

mejust I actually said - wtf when i saw it. She wittered on fora but ( she was lovely btw) but then only stuck 3mm in. It really looked silly!

My stomach is the same. And walking is the same for me - I can feel my ovaries with each step. Mind you I am very heavy footed. It took me ages to walk a mile today. EC, I'm guessing next week.

Stimming dos take about 2 weeks right?

Lifeasafish Mon 17-Jun-13 19:51:14

Just did some research EC roughly 10 days after stimming starts. So we are nearly there :0)

wishwash Mon 17-Jun-13 19:52:57

mejust I thought of you when doing my injection today. It stung like a bitch for the first time that I've experienced and Jesus did I want to punch someone square in the face after! If yours are always like that then I understand why you're so pissed.
I'm still resting as much as I can but my second in command at work (who is also my best mate) is making it difficult for me. Today she told me that me being on light duties is making her day so much harder and that her boyfriend is also going through stuff at home and it's all wearing a bit thin. She's lucky I didn't wedge a cow from the farm box right into her eye socket! I mean Jesus! How insensitive? Especially from my bestie.

Oh well, only 2 days left at work hmm

How is everyone? It's pretty quiet on here today

mejust Mon 17-Jun-13 20:18:22

wish thats not very nice when your mate knows what going through and almost at EC but people dont seem to care that much unless they have been through it take no notice and look after yourself,yeah im really bruised so the needle hurts now and the med really hurts they make me cry and i have to sleep on my back as it hurts my legs on my sides and i cant sleep on my stomach.

life i was given 12 days worth of stimms but like you said most do 10 days or so,maybe EC late weekend or early next week see what they say at scan tomorrow.did they say much to you today about it?

MingeJuice Mon 17-Jun-13 20:20:08

I'm here (with a special name change for NookNook)!

I'll have you know, FishFlaps, that th'usband is not cuckolded whatsoever, he's just learned to quietly tolerate my more annoying peccadilloes grin

Please can I ask for some advice? If my two embryos which are at 9 cells today become double figures tomorrow (ET) can I insist that one is also transferred along with the two blastos? I can't help noticing from other mumsnet threads that, back in the UK, transferred embryos usually consist of less cells than my two worst ones. What do we all think? If they're just going to chuck my worst two away I'm not very happy about that.

Please don't think I'm not grateful for what we have, I'm just tossing some ideas around before I'm strapped to the bed tomorrow.

MingeJuice Mon 17-Jun-13 20:21:57

Wish, tell your bestie to shut the fuck up or you'll kick her in the clunge <feminist>

MingeJuice Mon 17-Jun-13 20:23:50

I hope Buzzy's okay, but I'm fearing the worst seeing as she's not come back to the thread today sad

Please come back, Buzzy x

nobeer Mon 17-Jun-13 20:31:37

Wow this thread moves so quickly, I can't keep up! Will have to do more MNetting in working hours! Juice my DP had to do some work in Brno, didn't speak highly of it so I do feel for you. Fingers crossed for you with those embryos.

Lifeasafish Mon 17-Jun-13 20:36:31

mejust I didn't ask re EC and they didn't say (sorry this is part of my 1 day at a time philosophy). I asked more about how my body was reacting etc as I'm scared of all follicles waking up (apparently I have polycystic ovaries, not the syndrome just mutant ovaries!)

wish thats awful re work. I had to take a sabbatical or I'd have been sacked for gross misconduct if someone fucked with meangry. Its awful that she is being a bit insensitive, but the fair part of me thinks that it is seriously hard for people to understand the heartbeak and anxiety.

juice love the name changes! I'm afraid I just do not know enough to answer those sort of questions. Whats the traffic like on FF? Maybe they will have a better idea if no one does here.

Whats the danger of putting 3 back (bar the triplet or more risk of course). Weigh that up against the pros methinks.

Karbea Mon 17-Jun-13 20:58:16

In the uk there are limits set by the hfea. Under 40 you can only do a max of 2, over 40 you can do 3.
In my clinic they ask. So I had a choice of 1 or 2.

I don't know where you are, but if it's allowed in your country you should be able to say what you want.

tametortie Mon 17-Jun-13 20:59:31

Hello All,

Still here, in pain with no bleeding. Scan tomorrow. Will be asking for a little something to get things shifted hmm

Also, I have morning sickness. What is that all about?? Fecked off.

karbea Well done on a successful transfer. Are you with aRGC? Is it really like a boot camp? Do you like it? I hope you are rooting for your embryos. I know what it feels like when your embryos arent top notch but they are on board now and still have the potential to make babies- BELIEVE x What does grainy eggs mean?

wish congrats on the follies!!! Woop woop!! cant wait to hear how many eggs...

respisa is DH totally on board with DE? Where will you have treatment- UK? or has Juicy got you sold on Brno?!!! grin

juicy I say throw all 4 up there. smileyou won't know till tomorrow- all 4 may be blasties. then you can have 2 up and 2 on ice. Have faith.

That toilet sounds amazing. I hope you have had a tetanus.

fish sorry you are feeling low. Perhaps a mini break in Brno working in a call centre will be just the tonic? You could be 'Elena's PA? grin Seriously, not long now and the drugs will be a distant memory and you can get down to the nitty gritty.....

euro glad all seems to be good with you, you old skag shooter. Do you stim for a shorter time? Is this mild IVF you are having?

nooknook stimming today??? God, that has gone fast! We will soon have loads of eggs on here!!!! woo hoo!!!

mejust sorry you are so fed up- nearly there....

Any news from expat???

Hello to motorcycle too xxxx glad to see things are moving along for you xxx

Hello nokkie- 12 weeks scan???? must be soon.

Hello to anyone else I have missed xxx

We did have some good news today- DNA frag test referral- DONE!!! One call to the GP and the letter is on its way an hour later. Cant beat that for service. We have been looking at train fares for a saturday though and its a quarter of the price of the test???? Robdogs.

It hasn't actually occured to me but what will we do if the test comes back normal?? hmm DH mentioned that I am talking as though its him thats the problem already, but there is a chance it may be normal.....we will see.....I'm sure it is him..... confused

I have also treated myself to a nutritional consultation via Skype this saturday with Melanie Brown (from Zita West). We saw her before and I really want to refresh myself with food bits.

xx love to all xx

tametortie Mon 17-Jun-13 21:01:48

Oh also rachel and flowers- the newbies!! Where are you both??? x

NookNook Mon 17-Jun-13 21:12:35

Whoop whoop! Way to go Mingey! <Serious face> I don't know about putting more in. I can understand why you would want to though. I always panic at the end and think "stick them all in. ALL OF THEM YOU BASTARDS". But I don't say that out loud blush. Anyways my point is if you want three put back in I say do it (after discussion with th'usband of course).

Mejust I'm on evil menopur. It looks like a crack den in here right now. I'm on 375 so that's 5 vials a night (2 jabs) - plus Suprecur .3

Hello Beer!

Buzzy talk to us. Xxx

NookNook Mon 17-Jun-13 21:44:05

Tame I know. Time flies when you're having fun. Ahem.

So sorry you're having such a shitty day. Morning sickness?? What the fuck?

I really like the nutritionists at ZW. They really helped me focus on my diet for this IVF which makes me think I'm giving it the best shot.

tametortie Mon 17-Jun-13 21:50:25

Nook- I know. Its a mind fuck. Past 3 mornings I've had my head in the bog. I thought nothing of it till DH said 'your hormones must still be high...' and it struck me. what bollocks.

This Mel brown seems to have gone independent. She was ace when we saw her before. Very relaxed.

twinklestar2 Mon 17-Jun-13 21:53:47

Nook nook what did the nutritionists advise?

MotorcycleMama Mon 17-Jun-13 22:06:07

Juicy I think that my clinic will only transfer 1 blasto due to the high likelihood they will implant. Not sure about 2 plus one more for good luck!! Your clinic will guide you, but you've got some fantastic embies there, and I have such high hope that this will be a great success for you. Good luck for tomorrow, and keep us all posted.

Really wanting to hear from Buzzy and hoping that the silence isn't a bad sign. Thinking of you. x

NookNook Mon 17-Jun-13 22:15:59

Tame headfuck indeed. Really hope you start to feel better soon. You didn't go to work today did you?

Twinks they basically said eat shit loads of protein - 80 grams a day whilst doing ivf. I also had a vitamin D blood test and I was apparently low on vitamin D so I now have drops. I'm also on the Zita West multivit, DHA, coenzyme q10, inosidol and folic acid. She also recommended some cherry concentrate stuff (honestly can't remember what that was for) but it made me gag every time I took it so I stopped! The scientist part of me thinks the supplements are probably bollocks so the main thing is diet really....

Just a random question - does anyone here do acupuncture?

tametortie Mon 17-Jun-13 22:18:39

I have acupuncture.

I really love it. Have had it on and off for years. Do you nook?

I didn't go to work today x

Karbea Mon 17-Jun-13 22:20:21

Nook I was on loads of vits this time, now I'm panicking that's what made my eggs grainy sad

wishwash Mon 17-Jun-13 22:30:06

nook I've not had acupuncture but really wanted to. It's a bit pricey for us though sad

buzzy thinking of you, I hope it's good news

Quick question, has anyone ever suffered with their legs whilst stimming? I've had a trapped nerve in my left leg for days and not it seems to be moving to my right. Tonight m legs are painful and feels like the blood is rushing to my feet. I can't get comfy!

Will my legs fall off?

NookNook Mon 17-Jun-13 22:31:33

Tame good! And stay home tomorrow too?

I tried acupuncture but never really got on with it. I was just curious as no one really mentions it and it's something that I regularly panic about!

Karbs is that a side effect? Did you read that somewhere? Should I panic????

tametortie Mon 17-Jun-13 22:31:58

Wish- yes they will. And your head. wink

NookNook Mon 17-Jun-13 22:34:26

Wish no idea about legs - sorrry! Sounds painful...

I hear you about pricey acupuncture. I decided to spend half the money and go horseriding instead...

Karbea Mon 17-Jun-13 22:40:07

Nook, no, except my mum kept telling me too many vits aren't good for you, now I'm just paranoid, need something to blame!

tametortie Mon 17-Jun-13 22:41:46

I like horseriding but the horse I was learning on dropped dead hmm and the other 'learner' horse was too wide.

I have acupuncture with Michael Gorman in Solihull. Very good and apparently people travel for miles to see him because he works out cheaper than London prices even with the travel. How much is it in laaaandaaaaan??? (sorry- must stop doing that! DH is a southerner...)

tametortie Mon 17-Jun-13 22:44:13

Karbea- what were you taking? Unless its arsernic, I think you will be fine. smile

Im going to start the inositol again. Im sure my eggs were lower on the shit scale since taking that.

NookNook Mon 17-Jun-13 22:45:48

Karbs mothers eh? Gotta love em!

Tame that's hysterical. Although sad for the horse of course...

I was paying about £50 a session. Is that more than your guy?

tametortie Mon 17-Jun-13 22:48:46

He is £40. Is yours in London? Who were you seeing?

Apparently, some are over a £100 in London for a session- just ridiculous money.

Michael is very personable and knowledgable. Very much fertility focussed.

NookNook Mon 17-Jun-13 22:53:35

Yeah I might go for a couple of sessions when things progress a bit. I think I just need to find one who isn't a massive hipppy hmm

tametortie Mon 17-Jun-13 22:57:23

the most important are while stimming, after ec and after et. If you are going to do it at any time, do it then.

Nokkie73 Mon 17-Jun-13 23:00:14

Evening to my gleaming and, almost certainly, freshly douched pussies (because we DO have standards on this thread, considering it's one great big twenty four hour foof floor show here).

Well, I had better get right on down to noshing on the big stuff, said the vicar to the tart.

joos just shove 'em all up there. Bet it's not the first time you've heard that is it dear ? If they aren't 'going to Iceland' as the embryologists say, they will be going in the bin. Better up Le Juicy Shute and into Le Juicy Oven than going to waste, is my humble opinion. Just as long as having them all shoved up there doesn't impact on your chances of any of them implanting, then go for it. Am really wishing you the best of luck for tomorrow chick. Xx

tame good news on the consult. I also put myself on a few of the supplements suggested to you. Am really sorry to hear that you have morning sickness though. That's just a packet of shit. Heehee robdogs - it shall be my new word of the week. Scan on Wednesday. I must remember to keep my clothes on slag

karb brill news re the transfer. You just never know with this old game - if they like it in your womble, then they will do their thing and stick around. Am keeping my fingers crossed for you.

wish those follies are most certainly doing you proud. Well done !

euro you shall henceforth be known as Zammo, you old smackhead grin. Only those of a certain age will get that.....

And to the other stimmers and injectors mejust nooknook fishyfingers well done girls. Keep up the good work. I know it's hard and utterly nerve wracking but it's not forever. Promise.

res all settling down in your house for de then ?

motor it's all about to happen for you now. You're having it here, right ? Not planning a trip abroad a la Juicy Fruit ? She's had such a lovely time in Boore-o. I mean Brno.

Hi to rach, nobeer expat, my beeatch choco and everyone else I have forgotten because I can.'t go back that fucking far.

Noks xx

Nokkie73 Mon 17-Jun-13 23:01:01

And flowers -sorry !

NookNook Mon 17-Jun-13 23:01:26

Right then. I'll book tomorrow! Thanks Tame. X

Night night all. Xxx

Fabuluce Mon 17-Jun-13 23:02:03

My sis is an excellent acupuncturist and she specialises in fertility - if you're Oxon, bucks, herts based - she's worth a look (proud sister plug of course!) just look up Beth bennett acupuncture smile

tametortie Mon 17-Jun-13 23:04:27

choco im sorry- I missed you off my personals list. Hello! blush

tametortie Mon 17-Jun-13 23:05:30

Oh and fab!! Hello!!

<collapses cos the list of names is huuuuge>

Nokkie73 Mon 17-Jun-13 23:07:31

I paid £42 for acupuncture in Guildford. Which isn't quite That London but it's not that far out. Some places can charge you the earth, the robdogs (see what I did there ?) ridiculously pleased with self

Nokkie73 Mon 17-Jun-13 23:09:19

shamefaced hi fab !

We have such a large gang here. We're going feral baby.

tametortie Mon 17-Jun-13 23:09:25

Have you not heard that phrase before nokkie? You like?

I think its a northern phrase hmm my grandma used to say it a lot. Its an oldie but a Goldie!

Nokkie73 Mon 17-Jun-13 23:14:05

Back in the day, most certainly, but totally forgot about it. I LUFFS it, I does.

Big Up to Grannie Torts, as the yoofs say on the buses down here. Brrrrap brrrrap brrrrap oh do shut up you pathetic thirty nine year old saddo

mejust Mon 17-Jun-13 23:50:31

nook i know what you mean i looked earlier and iv filled 2 sharps containers i was horrified,really bloated tonight i cant sleep bit worried about it,5 vials thats alot im only on 2 and the buserelin i couldnt do 2 shots of menopur a night id tell the clinic to f off.

im in shock im going through this now its really close ,im one of those thats suffers anxiety attacks over anything medical dont know how im going to cope when it comes to it.if the clinic tells me to stimm another few days ill lose it.

MingeJuice Tue 18-Jun-13 06:14:56

Fucking Zammo! Get in with your funktastic retro kidz programmes, Nookie! I reckon you were that whiny black girl trailing after 'Row-Land' all day! grin

Fucking acupuncturists? Why don't you just go down to Beechy Head and chuck fifty quid off the top?

Fucking vitamins? Why don't you just eat some chalk?

<composes self>

Morning, slappers! I'm off to get me some babies smile I've been doing some research and it seems that there would be no point in putting back anything less than a blasto at day five. We're super-grateful for what we have so I shall return to you all a very happy lady (unless I get killed under a tram on my way back)

Love to all X

MingeJuice Tue 18-Jun-13 06:16:14

Us Norvereners don't say 'robdogs' we say 'Scousers'.

Karbea Tue 18-Jun-13 07:29:30

I pay £40 for acupuncture in Marlow, he is zita west accredited.

DH did my first bum injection this morning, it wasn't so bad, clexane still the worst! He was shaking the whole time poor bunny!

resipsa Tue 18-Jun-13 07:29:54

G'd luck juice. I liked the thrill of ET. Unlike the manufactured TTC shag, it was quite restful and came with guaranteed fertilisation.

Whatever the rest of you are on which gives you the energy for the speed at which this thread moves, can I have some please.

resipsa Tue 18-Jun-13 07:33:58

Zammo...just say no...Jackie and Kevin would be unimpressed by our willingness to say yes.

wishwash Tue 18-Jun-13 08:21:03

Good luck juice!!!! Go get the bambino(s) grin

mejust Tue 18-Jun-13 08:52:27

juicy good luck smile

tametortie Tue 18-Jun-13 08:58:51

morning all,

Can't wait for an update on your embies juicy- this trip has just been a monumental saga. It needs publishing. I would second you on the not putting back anything less than a blastie on day 5. Morulas can make good pregnancies but the odds are less for success. When you have the options that you will have, I would only go for blastie.

I need to disagree with you on the vitamins though- but only on a small personal level, not a worldwide scale study.

On my 2nd cycle our day 3 embies were VERY staggered in development- we had everything from a very poor 2 cell to a great 10 cell. And the embryologist said such staggered development pointed to an egg issue because the egg does all the work to day 3.

This time, I took DHEA, inositol and co enzyme q10 for months and we had much better development up to day 3- all 8 cell with minimal fragmentation. NOW, it may be chance, it may be coincidence BUT it made me feel I had done my best to get those eggs doing what they were supposed to do. And I think it worked? It was just day 3 onwards it all went shit hmm

So, juicyflap, you can stick your chalk!! Im gonna stick to my woo cos I think it works!! smile

MingeJuice Tue 18-Jun-13 08:59:57

Wow! I don't think I've ever felt so hopeful in my life: two AA hatching blastocysts!! gringrin I cried when they told us they were 'perfect' and that my womb lining was 8mm and the transfer was 'perfect' and...blah...blah. Gosh, I'm so happy!

We were told the other two were 'stopped' overnight but, to be honest, we could not have asked for a more perfect result today.

Thank you all for your loveliness thanks

I'M PUPO!! (and th'usband says I've to tell you all that he's chuffed to bits to be a FUPO) grin

tametortie Tue 18-Jun-13 09:04:36

Fabulous!! AA hatching blastocysts?? Its the stuff dreams are made of!!

Well done xxxxxx

MingeJuice Tue 18-Jun-13 09:06:58

Oh, Tortie, I was joking about the vitamins! They have done frigging wonders for my husband. Do you remember my telling you that his first SA showed 3% morphology and okayish volume and motility? Then, four months after being on zinc, walnuts & Co-enzyme Q10, his volume shot up to 49 milllion, 60% motility and his morphology to 14%. This latest SA (here in Brno) is even better: 51 million, 76% motility and 21% morphology!! Bloody brilliant - and I put it all down to the vitamins. I mean..he smokes, FFS!

MingeJuice Tue 18-Jun-13 09:07:38

Thanks, TortsAmazeballs smile

tametortie Tue 18-Jun-13 09:13:43

You better be joking. I've spent a fricking fortune on them over the past 6 months grin

That's some amazing spaff you have there!!

Lifeasafish Tue 18-Jun-13 09:22:31

juicy thats ace!! 2 blastcysts! Woohoo, now get your pupo/fupo arses back to the UK! Your trip has been eventful to say the least.

tortie hope you are feeling as well as canbbe and thank you fornthe Brno career advice hmm

mejust you'll be fine! Don't panic if EC isn't for a few days yet. Its a means to an end and we are so very nearly there.

wish looking good!

AFM - nowt to report. I feel a but more chipper just now.

Karbea Tue 18-Jun-13 10:03:33

Juice well done, very happy for you, sounds brilliant!

chocoloco1 Tue 18-Jun-13 10:29:06

Fab news juice

mejust Tue 18-Jun-13 11:07:01

hello all just back from my scan i have 11 follies on the right and 3 follies on the left they are checking my E2 and may have to lower my dose im worried ohss

mejust Tue 18-Jun-13 11:07:46

just wanted to ask i dont know about all this but isnt that alot for day 8 ?

tametortie Tue 18-Jun-13 11:13:55

Sounds about right mejust.


I have had a right flaming on a thread I started in chat.


I feel like I am possibly the worst person in the world ever after seeing some responses.

I need a lie down in a dark room..

mingejuice Tue 18-Jun-13 11:21:45

Tortie, link me to said thread please. I will sort the bastards out.

tametortie Tue 18-Jun-13 11:30:16

Christ- I ain't letting you loose juice!!! grin

I saw you in action the other day!!!


Karbea Tue 18-Jun-13 11:44:19

Me just sounds perfect.

Tame what have you said now?

tametortie Tue 18-Jun-13 11:46:31

I asked for some advice about DD and its all turned a bit nasty.

I feel a bit upset about some of the things that were said, implying DD is a bully and im protecting her. sad

Horrible. I think I need to delete the thread.

EuroShaggleton Tue 18-Jun-13 11:53:32

tortie morning sickness? That sucks donkey balls.

My regime is officially "natural modified" but I'm struggling to see how it differs from a mild cycle tbh. I did not enjoy the Cetrotide last night. It was very stingy.

I have acu. It's about £50 a session here in fancypants London. I also spend about 1/3 of my salary on making my wee expensive.

nok love it - I might namechange to zammo...

minge (great name, btw) you are PUPO laydee!

mejust I flip out with the medical stuff too. I found natural IVF ok (apart from the egg collection). I'm not enjoying the drugs at all this time.

Must dash. <waves to everyone else>

mejust Tue 18-Jun-13 12:34:15

well done juicy envy

Lifeasafish Tue 18-Jun-13 13:34:26

* mejust* that sounds perfect! Do not look for problems that are not there, a perfect haul is between 15 and 20 or thereabouts so you should be within range. From what I've read that is.

tortie i've read it and you've been the victim of projection. Dont sweat it.

Nokkie73 Tue 18-Jun-13 13:52:56

juicymomma you have two perfect sproglets in t'oven ! Congratulations. I am keeping everything crossed for you my love. When will you be peeing on a fiver ? Are you home tomorrow ?

mejustaworryguts that is a perfect amount of follies - don't stress it girlfriend. is a really great amount at this stage.

tame tell us tell us tell us tell us grin

Hello to everyone else

twinklestar2 Tue 18-Jun-13 13:56:51

Congrats juicy an fingers crossed for you x

resipsa Tue 18-Jun-13 13:59:04

Congrats juicy. I'm vicariously very excited. The idea of FUPO is very sweet smile.

Karbea Tue 18-Jun-13 14:00:02

Whilst laying around I've been thinking... Do any of you not work and not have any children?

Another girl on my ff thread is pregnant at the start this was exciting, now it's depressing!

mejust Tue 18-Jun-13 14:03:19

nokkie you described me to a T ,i asked what amount they look for and they said 6 to 8 and wanted to check bloods .i always worry cant help it your stomach dont half feel weird on this shit though.

life good your cheered up today they told me EC prob monday .

wish how you getting on today hope your ok .

motor has your donor had another scan yet? are you feeling any better.

juicy when do you say goodbye to that place?

mejust Tue 18-Jun-13 14:07:38

karbhubby runs his own business and i normally work with him but im off at the moment till the ivf is finished .

FlowersBlown Tue 18-Jun-13 14:11:13

Hello everyone. I'm still here, lurking regularly and trying to slot everyone into place. I need a spreadsheet or something! I know nothing so have no good advice for anyone. I don't even know what questions I should be asking.

We saw the dr yesterday and the wheels are now in motion. Got the patient information meeting next week, then planning meeting then we can start, I'm hoping in about 6 weeks.

I came across your other thread tortie. Some people on here have a lot of pent up emotional energy which gets discharged quite randomly. Please don't take those responses seriously. There was good advice too. I'm a nanny to a now yr7 girl and the last year at primary was a nightmare with this kind of thing. It really is very common but it's all a distant memory now and there's only 5 weeks of term to go.

Lifeasafish Tue 18-Jun-13 14:12:47

karb i usually work full time but if ever DH made it rich, I'd be happy to be a permanent lady of leisure grin.

mejust to clarify I meant you are in range to get a total of that amount by EC. I assume mine will be about the same time as my cycle is only a day behind yours... Gosh.

nokk how are you getting on?

EuroShaggleton Tue 18-Jun-13 14:19:49

tortie I saw your thread. I suspect a lot of people are putting their own take on your situation, based on their own experiences, and not really reading what you posted. I think you handled it very well.

I think I'd go even more batsh1t menkul if I had to sit at home all day. I'm not good at not doing much. And in any case, although the bloke is catching me up (and will probably overtake me if we have babies and I start getting overlooked at work...) I am still the main earner for now.

NookNook Tue 18-Jun-13 14:32:33

Hi All!

Just popping in to say the menopur is definitely kicking in. A colleague smiled at me earlier and I just wanted to punch him in the face. Oh dear.

Tame I am seriously angry for you. I haven't read the thread but fucking furious at people making you feel bad at a time like this.

Minge you must be feeling so great! Well done lady. PUPO PUPO PUPO!

Fabuluce Tue 18-Jun-13 15:07:20

Hurrah for juice - fabulous news smile

I would love nothing more than to be a lady of leisure but instead I work my arse off doing all hours. Am stressing like a nutter at the mo and have been to the doc who has said she'll sign me off when I need it - just trying to work out the optimum timing at the moment ... Don't know what to do for the best.... Or do I just resign and be done with and be a lady of leisure with very small means??

mejust Tue 18-Jun-13 15:13:38

nook you make me laugh yep they make you nasty dont they grin,i was really moody with the nurse today but i didnt mean it.

life yeah we should be the same time and motors donor aswell is monday.

eurozammo Tue 18-Jun-13 15:20:24


life/mejust I was told it'll probably be EC Saturday for me, so I'll just be a couple of days ahead of you. Yay for cycle buddies.

mejust Tue 18-Jun-13 15:56:41

euro that was quick only couple days apart on cycle,i was hoping mine would be weekend .

eurozammo Tue 18-Jun-13 16:06:00

And i see that motor donor is on a similar time frame. I predict a fraught time for the thread in about a fortnight!

NookNook Tue 18-Jun-13 16:41:57

Do right Euro!

You and Life and Mejust have gor such an exciting week coming up!

NookNook Tue 18-Jun-13 16:58:45

Too right Euro!

resipsa Tue 18-Jun-13 17:32:14

karb I wish. Have 2yr old and work 4 days. Had been working FT for 18 years before DD and wondered how I'd cope on ML. I bloody loved it. If DH could afford us, I'd opt never to work again.

wishwash Tue 18-Jun-13 17:53:11

Hi ladies

Congrats Juicy, thats really exciting news! Get home and take it easy whilst they work on setting up camp.

Mejust I had a few more follies than that on day 8 with some little ones looking like they were creeping up so they lowered my dose for one night. My E2 was also on the low side (according to one nurse) so they tested me every other day. My E2 is now around the same but another nurse said its absolutely fine and they're not worried. It is just depends on whether my follies actually have eggs in them I guess!

Tortie My legs are still attached you'll be pleased to know smile. I don't know what went on on the thread but arse to them all!

NookNook I know what you mean, I pretty much hate everyone at the moment!

I'm not so good today. The last injection has really got my baby maker going.
I've been taking it easy at work, well as easy as I can and the one time I went into the play room to cover my colleague one of my -fairly chunky children ran to me to give me a cuddle and head butted me in the stomach. I'm feelings so achy now, kinda like period pains sad Last day at work tomorrow and I can't wait for it to be over. It has to be one of the worst jobs to have whilst going through this? Or am I just feeling sorry for myself?

mejust Tue 18-Jun-13 17:57:55

euro yep there be a few on the 2ww at the same time symptom spotting and all the rest.

clinic phoned they said were bloods were ok and continue on same dose that i was responding well ,dont want to over stimm though got 3 days till next scan.feel like my stomachs got golf balls in it and uncomfortable to wee at mo and bloody walk ,bend down and the rest oh well.

wishwash Tue 18-Jun-13 17:58:35

Oh and YAY to life for the planned EC. I'm just two days ahead of you as mine is on thursday. Not looking forward to the early start. I have to be there for 7:15 and the clinic is 45 minutes away.

No rest for the wicked eh? I'm gonna stop moaning now, as amazing as it feels.....

mejust Tue 18-Jun-13 18:06:37

wish i dont know how you have managed at work with all the kids running around.
the nurse said i had those and said we dont want the little ones but i dont know if that was in the count or not and they didnt tell me my e2 when they phoned they just said it was ok,but im concerned about the pcos still i have to trust them.
not long wish do you trigger tonight then?

wishicouldpokesomeoneintheeye Tue 18-Jun-13 18:09:47

Yep, trigger tonight at 9:30! Woop!

Its sounding good for you then mejust have they given you an estimated date for EC? Sunday/Monday maybe?

I've just stayed at work so I can have longer off afterwards, hoping it'll take away some of the risks

mejust Tue 18-Jun-13 18:15:33

they reckon monday ish

wishicouldpokesomeoneintheeye Tue 18-Jun-13 18:18:50

Well its not too much longer to wait. Longer than you wanted I know but its exciting still smile

tametortie Tue 18-Jun-13 20:24:38

Feel much brighter this evening smile

Thank you all so much for your support regarding THE THREAD. Ever wish you had never started something???

Especially our Czech friend for her choice words and fish for the gorgeous PM. I really do love you lot- after that text message and with everything going on and then the thread I started for advice making me sound like an evil mum, I felt like the loneliest person in the world this morning sad but you guys really put a smile on my face. thank you

You will all be pleased to hear that things seem to be in hand with DD. She is growing up far too quickly and its scaring me slightly but she will come good. I hope....

Well, had my scan earlier and confirmed all is done. The poor sac was all squashed up like a donut and looked really sad. It was my lovely lovely friend that was scanning me and he had to leave the room for a moment and just looked gutted. He said that there was no bleeding round the sac so if we left things to go naturally it could take a while. So I have opted for the medical management option. I have loads of tablets to put up my foof, gloves, lube and painkillers. And tomorrow I will be having a day inbetween my bedroom and the en suite, with hopefully everything coming away. DD is at school and DH at work so was a bit worried about being left alone. Nurse wasn't though "just call an ambulance if it gets too much, we will get you straight into theatre" Cheers love!!! MIL will check on me in the day so hopefully should be ok. wish me luck!!! hmm Hopefully, once its all out the hormones will drop loads and this sickness will stop. Its not mega bad, it just takes the piss- know what I mean??

Glad to see lots of action occuring on here!!

motor wish fish mejust euro and nook are going to keep us all in eggs!! and we have a few tests coming up too!!

expat when are you testing??? And karbea We need dates!!

And then joos- yours will be in about 2 weeks???

I love all this excitement and build up!!! Im actually desperate for my next go today and feel exciting about all the prep smile seems odd considering what I am planning for tomorrow but I think my brain has moved on and I need to go with it.

love to all xxxxxx

wishicouldpokesomeoneintheeye Tue 18-Jun-13 20:38:44

I'm in awe of you tortie, you're so brave!

I hope tomorrow goes as well as it can, you're amazing to be looking to the next cycle so keep that in mind xxxx

tametortie Tue 18-Jun-13 20:40:12

Brave or stupid???!!!!!

Tomorrow could be a disaster of epic proportions, especially with cream carpet upstairs hmm

Nokkie73 Tue 18-Jun-13 21:13:03

tame I think I have a crush on you. You are AMAZING. <swoon>. I hate the fact that you have to go through this tomorrow - it's just so unfair. You are the bravest person I've ever met in cyberspace and the fact that you're not giving up is such an inspiration. I bet you're a lovely mum to DD so anyone who says otherwise can feck off. i couldn't find the fred to give you a bit of moral support but I CAN do it here. xx

MotorcycleMama Tue 18-Jun-13 21:18:56

tame good luck for tomorrow, and take all the support there is. You're a real inspiration, a tough cookie, and lots of other wonderful things besides.

Juicy I can't believe it!! You're PUPO!! Well done.

AFM I have a scan tomorrow to check thickness of womb lining. Just hope that it is okay, as I'm not sure I fancy higher doses of more hormones. I've just been vile to DH (poor bloke) and feel so tired and glum. I don't know where juicy got her raised libido, dancing around like Julia Roberts, getting spaff'd up the back of her dress! I was looking forward to a bit of excitement on oestrogen after those vivid accounts but I just feel like shit.

Hello to cycle buddies mejust life fish wish and anybody else I might have missed ( I can't keep up on here - please don't take it personally).

Thinking of you lots buzzy.

tametortie Tue 18-Jun-13 21:25:06

Ha ha!! motor im not sure where she got her libido from either!! But loved hearing about it smile

You guys are all nuts- im just doing what I've got to do dudes. smile and Christ only knows, I have moaned enough too! Remember me moaning about testing and getting faint lines?? And moaning about bleeding?? Im not brave, im a goddamn wuss!!!

If I manage tomorrow without dialling 999, I will accept the brave label. hmm freaking out!