Eggcellent Egg Buddies: are you IVF cycling in June/July/August 2013? Then get your druggy arses over here for some pure fucking menkulling...

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juicypair Mon 27-May-13 14:51:02

NokklingtonStStation, I couldn't find a new thread so I made this one, cock. Hope I did the right thing <inadequate>

tametortie Mon 27-May-13 14:53:51

I love it. It has a certain.... je ne sais quoi

juicypair Mon 27-May-13 14:56:08

Tortie, I am slapping you lightly with a pouch of lamb flavoured Sheba. You're welcome.

Buzzy, congrats on the digi score of three weeks !

NokkedUp, where the fuck have you been?

Wish, think of it as the Pepsi Max at Blackpool Pleasure Beach: you have this heart-wrenching long wait in a slow-moving queue where evryone's talking excitedly; then you buckle up and have that terrifying ascent where you honestly think you're about to die...(actually, this isn't helping at all, is it?)

Twinks, what are you up to, love?

juicypair Mon 27-May-13 14:57:55

Tortie, I am panicking that I spelled 'druggy' wrong. Is it 'druggie' or is that only when plural? <anal>

tametortie Mon 27-May-13 15:00:59

I personally would spell it druggy. I suspect that druggy is the chav version but we aren't posh are we??!! Live a little!!!

juicypair Mon 27-May-13 15:12:01

You might not be posh, Tortie, but I'm right up my own upper-middle-class, pilates-taut arse.

wishuponapositive Mon 27-May-13 15:20:50

I'm, just found Noks thread!

wishuponapositive Mon 27-May-13 15:22:12

That was meant to be um not I'm.

God damn autocorrect is driving me mental today! I want to smash the shit out of my phone!

HAPPY THOUGHTS!!!

EuroShaggleton Mon 27-May-13 15:25:09

Fight fight fight!

<childish>

juicypair Mon 27-May-13 15:25:57

Link me to Nokks' thread!!

buzzybee123 Mon 27-May-13 15:29:17

which thread are we using ladies

juicypair Mon 27-May-13 15:31:39

I'm off to Nokks' gaff <sulks>

Nokkie73 Mon 27-May-13 15:32:02

This one.

Nokkie73 Mon 27-May-13 15:33:05

On Ffs, COME HERE JUICY.

Here girl <leaves a trail of chips and scraps for her to follow>

buzzybee123 Mon 27-May-13 15:40:31

ok so we are abandoning this thread then, I need to know where to set up home greedily gobbles chip scraps

Nokkie73 Mon 27-May-13 15:44:35

euro spot the South London kids. 'Fight fight fight'. Haha. Brings back memories.....

joos I have been deep undercover on a dangerous mission, protecting the lives of those we know and love, ridding the world of all baby dust and killing instadiffers with a karate chop to the neck.

tametortie Mon 27-May-13 15:50:33

marking place. And if any of you bastards move to the other Fred and leave me here, I go fucking menkul. [proud at swearing]

buzzybee123 Mon 27-May-13 16:19:29

brings home comforts and puts kitty litter tray in the corner

noks Glad you have not been sitting on your arse stroking your belly, what is it with that baby dust crap hmm

juicy you literally made me laugh out loud with your pouch slap,

tametortie Mon 27-May-13 16:27:57

The pouch slap is genius. It really worked. My pussy is licking my face hmm

Nokkie73 Mon 27-May-13 16:58:38

If my pussy could get anywhere near my face, I'd never leave the house.

buzz fuck all that soppy baby dust shite. I started off like that on Fertility Fiends but it was just too.....^nice^. I like to swear and be entertained by other people who swear and have lots and lots and lots of different names for lady and man bits, so I got a bit fed-up with it and came on here. Needless to say, I have never looked back. How are you feeling ?

tame congrats my love. Am keeping everything crossed for you.

Afm, I have no fucking symptoms at all. I have been going a bit mad to be honest. Scan on Weds. I just hope everything is ok.

Noks x

tametortie Mon 27-May-13 18:25:21

Noks- fingers crossed for your scan. I'm sure all will be fine xxx

What a bunch we are- even when we acheive our goal, we are still out of our minds with worry. Bizarre. hmm

buzzybee123 Mon 27-May-13 19:49:04

Oh I started on baby and bump, had a very brief look Netmums shock and babycentre, they are all into that baby dust carry on. Someone pointed me to this site which is good, I do like a bit of tongue in cheek and honest opinions, i love AIBU on here

I don't have any real symptoms, I keep poking my boobs, it has to be poked right to hurt, how many weeks will you be on Wednesday noks

wishuponapositive Mon 27-May-13 20:12:49

Oh I forgot to say... babydust to EVERYONE

grin

buzzybee123 Mon 27-May-13 20:21:15

grabs Sheba pouch to use on wish grin

tametortie Mon 27-May-13 20:21:53

[snorts babydust and rubs on gums]

Thanks buzzy!!

juicypair Mon 27-May-13 20:38:29

<wipes spunk off chest> I have just given th'usband a spectacular tit wank.

Nokkie73 Mon 27-May-13 21:44:05

Sheba ? sheba ? Fucking cheapskate chavs. If I am slapping anyone with anything it will be with Gourmet Perle. Come here wish and have a chicken in gravy slap for mentioning babydust.

Cue a rant from a spaff covered joos about me and my fancy Dan London middle class ways for cussing Sheba.

buzz I shall be 8+5 on Weds.

tame I am VERY impressed with your sweary, slatternly ways on this new fred. Keep up the good work.

tametortie Mon 27-May-13 21:59:33

Juicy- I wish my tits were big enough for a spectacular tit wank! Especially at the mo....

Noks- I do suffer from potty gob but I think you and joos hold the crown.

I have a 10kg bag of James wellbeloved right here and if one more person smuggles a bag of baby dust up their shitter onto this Fred, ill batter you all.

wishuponapositive Mon 27-May-13 22:14:33

Thanks for the upper class slap!

Put me back in my place ill tell ya!

buzzybee123 Mon 27-May-13 22:22:22

tortie first thing tomorrow you are going to buy your digi and make it official

yes some are more courgettes than others on this thread wink

my cat won't stop meowing at me.......................

buzzybee123 Mon 27-May-13 22:23:03

tourettes not courgettes FFS

tametortie Mon 27-May-13 22:32:49

You sure its not too early? Digi's aren't very sensitive are they? Shall I do another 'line' test tomorrow and buy a digi for Wednesday? By Wednesday, I will be 18 days post trigger x

Nokkie73 Mon 27-May-13 22:36:14

wish I am smearing cat food all over your face in an affectionate way grin

tame is that dry cat food that you are proposing to shove up the babydust shitter ? That's evil and brilliant all at the same time. When I go back undercover to rid the world of babydust and smug shite like 'all you need to do is relax', I shall use that as my prime method of torture.

buzz heehee courgettes.

tametortie Mon 27-May-13 22:39:41

Yes noks, and they come in triangle shaped kibbles to cause maximum shitter damage should I find babydust.

Nokkie73 Mon 27-May-13 22:43:26

tame next time I 'go dark' under cover, you're coming with me. You are delightfully eeeeevil

buzzybee123 Mon 27-May-13 22:44:38

I was told that implantation happens 72 hours ET, I tested 11 days ET and got a line, the next day I did a digi, they are reasonably sensitive, the sooner you test the sooner you know

wishuponapositive Mon 27-May-13 23:23:21

Nok that sounds pretty kinky to me.... Whatever floats your boat I guess. My hormones are all over the place so whatever you wanna call it, I'm game! wink

tame the way I see it is that if they're not sensitive and you're getting a positive then it's not the trigger. If you go too sensitive then it could be picking it up? I know it's a bitch but yeah, try and leave it a couple days cause no matter what it tells you, you'll convince yourself it's the trigger. Nearly there smile

tametortie Tue 28-May-13 07:22:40

Morning you filthy lot.

I have been awake since 1.40am. Worrying about tests. I fucking shit you not. I am 6 years into this and the last time I was pregnant was 5 years ago. In fact it was 5 years last week that I lost that baby. DH forgot. But I didn't.

And I think I am at one with the fact that I am pregnant again. I have lain awake all night worrying about doing a test this morning and it being blank. Or worse, mega faint cos then you just dont really know either way.

But its neither. It is a proper proper big fat positive. The line is pink, not dark but darker than yesterday and I can hold it at arms length and see the line. Shit me, I could put it over the other side of the room and see the line. Its a proper line!!!

I might not be pregnant tomorrow, or the next day but today I finally am.

We have crap eggs, shit sperm, the works. And we have done it. smile

chocoloco1 Tue 28-May-13 08:18:30

tame that's brilliant news! Well done, and now I can put the salmon whiskas away <pikey>

Wow, I can finally legitimately be on this fred as it includes July and August!

Lifeasafish Tue 28-May-13 08:22:58

Congratulations tame! And what a lovely post, i wuite like the end. Funnily enough one of my fears is the fear of how i might ee when/ if pregnant hmm

tametortie Tue 28-May-13 08:29:42

OTD is Friday so still 3 days to go before I am 'official' with the clinic hmm

Lifeasafish Tue 28-May-13 08:29:53

Right - I am on the right new thread!

Nooks - congratulations to you to and grin for pussy/face! Me too.

I've been missing in action due to the bank holiday - how is everyone coping with symptoms? I'm sleeping a lot, but I'm also not thinking straight ( fought to get the kettle into the fridge this morning)is this normal? Is anything normal anymore grin

mejust Tue 28-May-13 10:01:57

tam im pleased for you congratulations smile

life iv been forgetting a few things and had an uncomfortable nights sleep as my legs a little sore now in 4 weeks time ill have no leg space left,im a bit snappy aswell but no hot flushes or headaches .
how are you getting on?

i found the new thread you lot have gone bloody mad i blame the drugs ha ha

feeling down past couple of days its prob the drugs but the end of this process seems so far away im starting to get really worried about the stimms now and ohss as my condition puts me at higher risk .

DjuicyUnchained Tue 28-May-13 10:23:28

Mornin' sweet'earts! Can you tell I watched Django Unchained last night? grin

TortItOut, you're effing pregnant for sure!! Well done, lovely lady, and believe me..if I could charter a plane to fly over your gaff trailing the words 'YOU HACKCHEWOOLLY HAVE A BABY IN YER TUM-TUM!!!' I would. You've been through so much to get here and I hope the time will come very quickly when you can relax and enjoy it. Here: thanks these are from my garden so apologies if there's cat piss on them.

NokkAndCranny, 8+5?? Surely that blighter's kicking? Chuffed to bits for you and Buzzy but losing hope that the same can happen to me when I go next

Where's Twinkle? Thinking of you, love, and nice to see fish, too - laughed my head off at the kettle in the fridge x

I'm loving the new-and-improved, TameAgainPlease. Mouth like a fucking sewer.

MejustNeedaFag: one day at a time, lovely. If it worked for Dolly Parton.....

In other news I'm still laughing at DjuicyUnchained grin

Lifeasafish Tue 28-May-13 10:27:11

Mejust - we started same day right? I am also a bit down and snappy but my period was due today, so not sure how much is PMT.

incidentally: 'yoohoo, uterine nuclear fallout where are you?'

I'm injecting in my stomach and its a little sore but nowt major. My stomach may or may not be bloated, but as I've been telling myself that for some months while fighting to zip up jeans I'm not too sure.

No headaches, I'm sleeping a lot then waking at four am oh, and I'm also constipated.

The process may feel far away, but it is much much closer than when we all started TTC'ing excitedly, yes? Regarding worry over OHSS anything else, it'll happen or it won't worrying won't change that fact. I am repeating this while looking in The mirror btw.

NookNook Tue 28-May-13 10:27:28

Hi All looks like I've missed a very pottymouthed bank holiday!

Tame I am so so pleased for you!

Mejust I know what you mean about running out of jabbing space! I've been using my stomach and will try to keep my legs for menopur.

Life I have been utterly exhausted and nauseous all weekend. I didn't get any symptoms before so all a bit weird and surprising. I'm thinking it could be all the supplements I've been taking. Or maybe we are so tired because this whole process is just so damned draining!

Nokkie73 Tue 28-May-13 11:02:05

tame woooooooohoooooooooo. That is super lovely news. To have it confirmed by a big fat positive line is just brilliant. Am really pleased for you. Lets all have a fucking swear. grin

wish it wasn't meant to be but if you want it to be, I can do that for you. I'll have to get my Xena Princess Warrior outfit down from the loft to really look the part. I'm nothing if not thorough.

choco you are welcome any time ! When are you due to start it again ?

fishywishy thank you ! You may want to lay off sticking the kettle in the fridge though. Only saying.....

mejust you are well on your way now, that's what you need to think about. You will be driven mad by all this but at least you know that !

nook sounds like you are feeling it too. Keep going !

djangopullmychain is it worth seeing ? I can get it on Sky now (I know, I am a right upper class toff for having Sky Movies) and am tempted to watch it this week, if only to avoid watching Britain's Got Frcking Talent. No flutterings or nuffink so far. It is all quiet, hence my fretting. All will be revealed tomorrow at 2pm.

Noks x

buzzybee123 Tue 28-May-13 11:45:43

tame I told you it wasn't the trigger shot, congrats grin

back later

mejust Tue 28-May-13 11:47:37

hey life constipated tell me about it,yeah i think we started same day iv been injecting 6 days but had 2 go bit wrong so had to give myself another shot .im also waking few times in the night i started cycle day 2 so had af now she just showed up again but shows the meds are working .been really busy over the weekend so taking it easy today.

nook when i was taking pregnacare i felt like that so had to stop taking them

nokkieyour right stay positive im a nervous person anyway so prob the worst person to do this but im doing it.let us know how u get on

juicy your off your rocker what have they give you ,how you doing

wheres motor you started treatment now

hello to wish

tametortie Tue 28-May-13 13:08:08

Juicy- I lurve the new name. I want a new name sad mine is boring.

Guys! Guys! Its official. Pregnant 1-2 on a digi. Stand down everyone. Nothing to see here. grin

DjuicyUnchained Tue 28-May-13 13:26:16

LemonTortie, you must be thunderously chuffed thanks

MejustNeedAShit, yes...I am constipated, too; I can only assume it's because of the progesterone pessaries? I'm three days into the Prednisolone and am feeling good, nowt to report. My period is due on Thursday.

NokkNokk,Who'sThere?Me:Djuicy.FuckOffYouTramp, Django Unchained was nothing spectacular but had the usual gratifying and gratuitous blown-off heads scenarios but was half-an-hour too long. I'm not into black men but Jamie Foxx is sublime; really beautiful.

I'm fighting some pretty persistent demons that are telling me I cannot possibly end up with a BFP after the three we've had on this fred. Can someone box my ears with two 1-kilo sacks of cat litter? Ta.

DjuicyUnchained Tue 28-May-13 13:27:54

Argh! It's four BFP's...I forgot crisps' (sorry lovey) blush

DjuicyUnchained Tue 28-May-13 13:37:33
buzzybee123 Tue 28-May-13 15:04:28

tortie I bloody told you so, grin now take a photo as the digi screen dies in 24 hours grin

juicy have a good slap round the chops with my 20 kilo catsan bag, of course it will work, its just such an over whelming process thats all,

silly mare at work has taken my work mobile as well as hers hmm

thank god there are onlt 3 days left this week

twinklestar2 Tue 28-May-13 16:10:35

Tame - Conrgratulations! So pleased for you after everything you've been through!

Can someone tell me what OTD means?

I feel like I belong on this thread now seeing as we're officially going for the IVF and it'll be July/August time.

Swing between feeling hopeful that it will work and thinking its not happened so far so why would it happen now? I know IVF should make you feel like you're one step closer but I feel like its been so long that's it's never going to happen. When I picture the future I dont see us with children anymore. is this normal?

buzzybee123 Tue 28-May-13 16:31:49

twinks OTD is offical testing day smile

twinklestar2 Tue 28-May-13 18:09:40

Thx buzz smile

buzzybee123 Tue 28-May-13 18:14:07

twinks it is normal to worry about it, but you stand a better chance as they will making the embryo so all it has to do is make itself at home, you don't have to worry about egg and sperm meeting, don't get me wrong its still a stressful business

MotorcycleMama Tue 28-May-13 18:19:22

I'm here mejust! Just returned from the clinic where I had the prostap injection and endometrial scratch, both of which were relatively painless. No more appts until the 10th June, so now just waiting to see how menkull I can become on serious hormone treatment.
Congratulations tame - that is so fantastic flowers
Hi nokkie - good luck for tomorrow!!
I feel so relieved to have started active treatment, though that may wear off as soon as it actually starts to work.

DjuicyUnchained Tue 28-May-13 18:38:36

Hiya, Motor and well done for getting through the jockstrap 'n scratch. I forgot to ask you: what is your donor like? What made you choose her? I specifically asked for an ugly bird so I can avoid all those pesky beauty pageants grin

Good luck tomorrow, Nokks, I know how fretful you are but I have a good feeling about this for you. Chin up, love, and take courage xx

Where's EurOnlyYoungOnce?

mejust Tue 28-May-13 18:42:51

hello motor your back i dont know what the jabs are you just had but i think my concentration is starting to go i noticed it driving earlier my heads a bit mushy and im really anxious today .i havent got an appointment untill the 10th either

mejust Tue 28-May-13 18:44:40

and you cant go any more mental than juicy is at the moment grin

buzzybee123 Tue 28-May-13 19:02:46

mejust I found that I felt fuzzy and lacked concentration, it does pass

tametortie Tue 28-May-13 19:19:27

After all the happiness, im bloody spotting again sad tis crap

buzzybee123 Tue 28-May-13 19:23:44

are you on progesterone, do you want me to send you some

tametortie Tue 28-May-13 19:28:07

Im having 2x 400mg fanny candles a day. Has yours stopped now buzzy?

buzzybee123 Tue 28-May-13 19:30:28

yeah but I upped mine to 3 a day, are you able to go your local EPAU tomorrow and get a blood test. I could be a bit of implantation bleeding,

tametortie Tue 28-May-13 19:38:33

I hope so sad

buzzybee123 Tue 28-May-13 19:44:19

are you able to get a blood test so you can then compare it to your OTD, I would take another one now, it will take about a day, this is what happeded to me I can send you some of mine if you are running short

buzzybee123 Tue 28-May-13 19:49:46

I won't say don't worry as that would be ridiculous especially after my meltdown, big hugs

DjuicyUnchained Tue 28-May-13 20:04:25

Tortie, please don't fret unduly, I read about this spotting all the time that it's completely normal for a massive percentage of women. Buzzy's advice worked for her so try all you can to get to EPAU or get more progesterone off Buzzy for peace of mind x

tametortie Tue 28-May-13 20:26:42

The EPU here is crap- you have to be referred and takes 2-3 weeks for an appointment.

Im going to put an extra fanny candle in tonight and DH is arranging for me to have a day in bed tomorrow i.e. Doing everything so i dont have to! =) this is so pants. Was just starting to feel better and then this. =( my poor husband, if he reads one more 'story of hope' about brown bleeding off his phone to me, ill arse rape him with this 10kg bag of cat food.

MotorcycleMama Tue 28-May-13 20:27:14

Djuicy my donor is more than 10 years younger than I am, with similar colouring, a good education, and no significant medical history, in a same sex relationship (I was asked at the beginning if I would object to eggs from lesbians, and was surprised to find that a lot of people do!) I accepted because I could see no reason not to, and I just want to get on with it. I just hope she responds well to treatment for both of ours sakes.
mejust My concentration is very poor today, but I think that is because I'm doing the 5:2 diet and am on a fast day (^waits for tirade from dJuicy^), which I'll probably have to give up soon!
buzzy and tame I asked the nurse at the clinic about progesterone monitoring and she said that I won't need it as they will give me high doses anyway hmm. I will pursue it further.

EuroShaggleton Tue 28-May-13 20:53:12

Tame I'm so glad you have accepted this is it. You are preggo girl!

I know my pregnancy didn't end well, but it all developed normally until about 5 and half weeks in, and I had some spotting the day after my official test (so 15 days past EC) and all was well for a good while after that. So many women bleed around that point, it really is normal.

Nice name, juice. wink

That's completely normal twink.

Woo hoo motor - you are on the way!

I shall only be here outside office hours. The thread titles on here show up in the URL and this one is a bit sweary.... I always dread doing anything that would lead the IT nazis to look too closely at my interwebby usage at work. I'm sweary as you all know, but I'm not sure our uptight American IT folks approve, so I'll save it for home. Fuckers.

buzzybee123 Tue 28-May-13 21:07:32

tame are you having a blood test on OTD, i'm not sure how much lying in bed will change things but a good idea to DH to do things

motor the confusing thing is what is classed as high dose?? I thought 800 mgs was high but my progesterone level is average 24 compared to what is online (47), some women who have been to the likes of ARGC want you to have a progesterone level of 100 + which means being on double the dose I am now confused

DjuicyUnchained Tue 28-May-13 21:08:26

Oh, no, euro! I'm sorry my fred title has made you vulnerable to twatty Yanks sad

Motor, your sapphic donor sounds great and I can think of many reasons why a lesbian baby would be good news: no need to buy pink fluffy headbands and all the rellies could just buy dungarees from Baby Gap wink

tametortie Tue 28-May-13 21:09:25

No, just a urine test.

Lying in bed won't help but it makes DH feel as though he is doing something to help ;-) x

buzzybee123 Tue 28-May-13 22:12:56

ah best to get on the list at your local EPAU if takes so long, would your GP help out??? Rest up my lovely, who is supplying you with your arse bullets

EuroShaggleton Tue 28-May-13 22:54:54

tame so you're laying in bed for him? wink

No worries juice. I didn't even notice it when I was posting at home over the weekend!

mejust Tue 28-May-13 23:26:29

hi buzz did you feel like that for long or does it come and go.
can anyone explain much about how things go after the base line scan i havent been told much really well not in much detail anyway.

tam it could just be spotting from implantation as thats quite common all the best take it easy

buzzybee123 Wed 29-May-13 00:03:36

mejust I wasn't on it for long, I had decapetyl 3.75 mgs on the 3rd April, I then started with the estrogen on the 22nd so for me it was about 3 weeks, it wasn't too bad in the first few days, I had bit of a headache but then it cleared, but I did find it hard to concentrate on things and remember things too, it got better once I started on the estrogens.

I didn't have a base line scan or a mock cycle so can't help you with that

its midnight so its freakout time for kayla hmm not much sleep for me

tametortie Wed 29-May-13 07:42:45

I have a prescription from nurture for fanny candles.

They are pretty good- they give you all your prescriptions for a positive test at transfer.

DjuicyUnchained Wed 29-May-13 09:46:40

Mejust, this is a link to the Fertility Friends website. Have you ever looked at it? It's brill and I've found you the page to pick out your favourite 'First Time IVF Advice' thread. Try it...you might like it!

Good news on the fanny candles, Tortie.

Woke up at 4am to find one of my cats shitting on the carpet right beside the piss-poor excuse for a catflap. I think it was one of those 'dirty protests' favoured by prisoners sad

DjuicyUnchained Wed 29-May-13 09:57:34

Thinking of you today, Nokkie, sweetheart. Come and let us know the good news xx

Nokkie73 Wed 29-May-13 10:24:15

Cheers joos. Am really anxious. The appt isn't until 2pm so I am going to the gym for a quick brisk walk on the running machine and a swim beforehand - anything to distract me.

Are you ok ? X

Nokkie73 Wed 29-May-13 10:25:12

tame I really hope everything settles down for you today. Thinking of you. X

DjuicyUnchained Wed 29-May-13 10:34:05

Yeah, Nokk, chuck, I'm fine. I'm so unaffected by these drugs I can only imagine they're placebos hmm

2pm is no time in the day for a bloody scan, old girl. Hang on in there x

DjuicyUnchained Wed 29-May-13 10:34:52

Hey, where's ExpatWifey? Hope you're okay, my love x

tametortie Wed 29-May-13 12:53:18

Nokkie- thinking of you today!! smile Come back and let us know???

Djuicy- your pussy revolts me. Time for the 10kg bag of catsan....

AFM- still spotting/bleeding/leaving brown/red snail trails on my pants. Lots of snot and tears this morning, complete breakdown but feel better now I have spoken to my clinic. I LOVE THEM. The nurse was amazing- laid it on the line. It could be fine. it might not. Time will tell. Come in on Friday and we will do full bloods and book you a scan regardless. Don't bother with EPU- we will look after you. I'm in good hands.

And do you know what?? Its been 5 years since I last got pregnant. 5 years!!! And even if this doesn't work out, this little bean was sent as a sign that I CAN get pregnant. And at some point, I will have a baby. I think I needed this- I needed a sign that it could happen. The last clinic I was with, fucked my confidence so much I had convinced myself I couldnt do it. I even wondered how the hell I had got my DD, convinced myself that she was some kind of miracle.

I booked a phone consultation with Penny from Serum a few weeks back and just realised its tomorrow. I'm going to press her for a bit of info regarding the hidden C testing and immune testing etc. I might need the info, I might not but I booked it when I was in a dark place so I'm figuring I should chat stuff through with a fresh pair of eyes. I KNOW that I do not want to go to serum, but I'm very very intersted in their immune protocols. Particuarly now in light of recent events. My mum pointed out to me the other day that EVERY female in our family has had miscarriages, infertility and many have had multiple late pregnancy loss. There is only actually my auntie that managed to have more than one child- makes you wonder doesnt it???. .....I will update you all when I have spoken to her and see if she has any radical ideas that we can all pick apart and fantasise over. Equally, if there is anything anybody would like me to ask I can put a couple of 'a friend of mine...' questions to her!!! xxx

DjuicyUnchained Wed 29-May-13 13:07:55

TortallyLovely, how kind of you to think of us when you are so upset, and what brilliant news that you've been treated so kindly by your clinic. You know that Friday could very well be great news, don't you?

Have you been onto Fertility Friends Serum forum? Or their immunology site? Get chatting with other women about their Serum experience. Keep hold of that sanguine outlook about this pregnancy, you are right: you conceived and there's lots to be positive about, even during these uncertain times. Take courage, lovely thanks

mejust Wed 29-May-13 13:09:29

thanks for the link juicy ill take a look later .

tam i really hope everything works out for you ,i had 2 miscarriages and its so upsetting .
things may settle down for you fingers crossed x

tametortie Wed 29-May-13 13:36:08

We will see xxx The next few days could be a real mind fuck so bear with me...

I have had a look on the serum file on FF- there is a lady on there called Agate and the info she puts out there is amazing. I especially love her 'failed cycle' information- it helped us when we were preparing for this cycle and this has been our best yet.

The immune stuff is a real minefield and I do like the fact that Serum seem to treat some people as if they have immune issues even though they dont show up. When I e-mailed Serum they said they would give me clexane and intralipids whereas this time I have just been on prednisolone. I don't think I am being treated incorrectly, I just think its different school of thought and at the very least, if we had to cycle again I will be doing the hidden C testing. Apparently its been shown to improve sperm parameters as well as implantation.

Djuicy I just want to pick up on something you said yesterday about the uncertainty of being able to conceive. I started TTC quite young (26) and the whole thing has been 'fraught' to say the least. I spent a LONG TIME on mumsnet on the conception buses each month, with everyone graduating except me. One of the mumsnetters I used to speak to a lot e-mailed me the other day and literally, everyone I used to chat to on the temp buddies thread has gone on to have 1,2,3 children. I haven't. Its very painful and its a horrible feeling to be 'left behind' but please please please convince yourself that this is not going to happen to you. There are not a certain amount of BFP's handed out each month and somebody elses experiences do not influence yours. I know this is very airy fairy but you need to convince yourself that this WILL happen. There is no reason that it wont. You will be going to a great clinic and getting a lovely young birds eggs, be positive!!!!

I know I am a fine one to talk after spending a morning googling 'early pregnancy bleeding' but I really really do know how it feels to have these fears and unfortunately for me, mine were realised time and time again. Everybody around me graduating. It was only when I really started getting positive, proactive and shook things up that it seems things have moved in the right direction xxx

tametortie Wed 29-May-13 13:54:14

I'm pissing myself off with my proactivity now so im going to ram a 10kg bag of cat food kibbles up mu arse grin

twinklestar2 Wed 29-May-13 15:03:19

Really hope everything works out for you tame!

Thinking of you, nokkie.

As for me, AF came last night on cd28 which is very early for me. Didn't even cry or get upset anymore! Did secretly hope it was implantation bleed though.

When I woke up this morning she was still there so I've booked my appointment to have my scan (they need to check position of ovaries etc) and so I'm now officially off the TTC rollercoaster and onto the IVF one.

The lady at the clinic said I'll either start on cd21 or on CD2 can someone explain why? What's the difference between the two starts?

ExpatWifey Wed 29-May-13 15:12:40

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DjuicyUnchained Wed 29-May-13 15:17:37

Tortie, again, you are so very lovely to cheer me up when you are afraid. I'm an idiot and I forget sometimes I am nowhere near as battle-scarred as people like you who have fought and fought for these treatments and have endured these crushing times. I so hope Friday is great news for you and your husband. I love, love, love your obsession with ramming stuff up arses. You almost sound anally fixated grin

Ooh, I forgot to say: the very first time I came across FF I found the Agate site re learning from failed IVF. I learned more about the IVF process from that one article than all the other sources of info put together. Keep talking to us about your plans or ideas, Tortie, we'll always be honest with you x

Twinkle, my temps took a nosedive, too, this morning so period will be here bang on time tomorrow. I don't know about you but I was hoping for an eleventh hour miracle pre-IVF pregnancy. We're idiots, no? I promise the IVF rollercoaster will be a lot more fruitious than the shitty all-on-your-own-with-no-answers TTC one smile Sorry, can't help re day 2/21 starts. Could it be the difference between long protocol and short? confused

tametortie Wed 29-May-13 15:22:13

Twinkle- I started on day 18 so im totally stumped with day 2 or 21!

DjuicyUnchained Wed 29-May-13 15:24:46

Wifey! You're back! Golly, you're well on your way, young lady. I start Cetrotide injections next Friday (two days before I fly) and mine, too, need to be mixed with powder or some such shit. I cannot tell you how much I'm looking forward to stabbing myself. I am a weirdo around needles: I find them fascinating and a bit dangerous hmm

Look, you don't need to 'know' anyone in real life to get through this, you know. I promise - lots of people do this without ever telling their mother, sister, best friend, colleagues. You are not alone: you've got us raving lunatics. Keep talking and filling us in..we'll hold your hand x

ExpatWifey Wed 29-May-13 15:37:23

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DjuicyUnchained Wed 29-May-13 15:44:22

...and I will start stabbing on day 9 of my cycle, if that helps! confused Don't forget, though, I'm having donor eggs..

tametortie Wed 29-May-13 16:10:55

Where is nokkie? we need some good news on this Fred....

twinklestar2 Wed 29-May-13 17:11:45

Hmmm different answers from everyone! Suppose I'll just have to wait and see what they say next week!

Nokkie73 Wed 29-May-13 18:17:43

Hello ladies

Thanks for all the lovely thoughts today. Luckily, everything is absolutely fine. The doctor actually dated me as being 9+3, and then thought that she over-measured and said that I was 9 weeks. She's lovely but a bit ditzy and said that they will date me properly at the twelve week scan. Anyway, heartbeat was seen but the little blighter was curled-up in a ball and wouldn't have his photo taken properly. The doctor was rummaging around my fandango for AGES and he still wouldn't uncurl. He did flip over though. I may have to sign up for the circus at this rate.

Today, I am going to quit worrying for 24 hours. I have such a long way to go but I do need to stop and enjoy it for a day or so here and there.

tame you have posted some cracking stuff today AND are displaying a very amusing (and unusual, although I am sure there's a website for it somewhere) arse/kibble fixation. I really really hope everything is ok with you. I hope the following helps. The doctor thinks that I cracked an egg out the minute ivf finished. I tested negative on 30th March 2013 following ET on 17th March. I must have laid an egg very soon after my period which came on 1st April. I then had a bleed on 21st April which started off with fresh looking blood for about 24 hours and then turned into old looking blood for about two days afterwards. I then had another bleed on 28th April which was the same - fresh looking blood for 24 hours followed by a couple of days of old looking blood. I worked out that the bleed on 28th April was when my period should have been (and a bleed when your period should have been is very common). So, what I'm trying to say is that bleeding will not necessarily mean the worst. If old looking blood is coming out as well as fresh blood, then that may be a positive sign. Your positivity is absolutely amazing which can only be helping things. Xx

joos I came across Agate on Fertility Fiends. Now there's a bird who knows her onions. Her list of questions for a failed ivf cycle is a work of bloody art. We just had fish and chips - I thought of your chip shop slag. Has he been flashing his bits for a bag of scraps lately ?

expat you are well underway now. All that mixing sounds very dangerous to me !

twinks hello missus IVF ! Sorry, I cannot help with the start date discrepancy. Euro may know - she knows everything about ivf because she is a boffin.

Hello to everyone else.

Noks x

chocoloco1 Wed 29-May-13 18:38:12

noks bloody brilliant, well done!

Nokkie73 Wed 29-May-13 18:49:28

Aww, thanks choco xx

tametortie Wed 29-May-13 18:57:17

Noks- im so happy for you!!! Fab news. So, you have actually bled a few times during this pregnancy? How bizarre!! I hope you don't mind me asking, I must have missed this but I didn't realise you had ivf?? Was that your first cycle?? What was your diagnosis? Tell me to piss off if im being nosey but for some reason I thought you had been building up to treatment and had a surprise?!!

Im going to print off agates failed cycle thingy tomorrow and press penny about some of the points in there. She won't know what's fucking hit her. We even went and bought a new house phone today for me to speak to her on.

Bleeding is steadily getting redder with a couple of tiny tiny clots. Fuck my life, honestly.

I've booked a French swaree in July so won't be able to cycle again till august/september. Will absolutely 100% go back to nurture- the aftercare has been amazing. X

tametortie Wed 29-May-13 19:00:09

Oh and noks- thanks for praising my posts!!! I dont feel positive. I feel fucking militant. I have had a taste of the happiness bubble and I want more....!!! That feeling of seeing an actual bfp is like crack.

buzzybee123 Wed 29-May-13 19:17:24

noks thats great news

Nokkie73 Wed 29-May-13 19:30:50

tame the bfp crackwhore grin. I am more than happy to share. I had my first ivf earlier this year. They got five eggs and four fertilised which, considering my results, was a really good outcome. Basically, as I said above, I had ET on 18th March and they transferred two three-day embies. One grade A and one with slight fragmentation so it was graded a B. I had to test on 30th March and it was negative. Basically, this time last year all of my fertility results were fine. They then decided to get on the last bus out of Dodge City and go on a fucking extended holiday. My oestradiol went crazy and my AMH when it was last measured just before IVF was 1.1 which, as they say in the industry, is a total packet of dog shit. I was waiting to be treated on the NHS in Surrey as they reinstated funding last April. However, one fuck-up after another and my declining test results meant that I was rather unceremoniously thrown-off of funding. Bank of Ma and Pa paid for a private round of treatment at Guys which failed, but it must have done something to my system. I gave-up smoking on 1st Jan, virtually stopped drinking white wine as it is supposed to affect fertility (but drank red instead -life is too short not to have red wine !) and took pregnacare and royal jelly (well, I have been taking royal jelly since last year). I cut-out caffeine completely, stopped drinking fizzy drinks, drank one cup of green tea per day, ate loads of Brazil nuts (for selenium) and walnuts (the Romans used walnuts in fertility rites as they thought they were good for that sort of thing - and they weren't stupid that lot. I should know, I've seen all four series of Spartacus). When ivf failed, I also started taking l'arginine, Co-q10, maca, dong quai (not during period) omega 3 and evening primrose oil (not after ovulation). Now I took these for a very short period of time comparatively speaking so it may not have helped me lay the egg, but I am not ruling out the fact that these may have helped the pregnancy stick. I had shorter than usual cycles (24 days) which my acupuncturist said may have affected my ability to get and stay pregnant (the extra four days of a 28-day cycle can really make the difference in terms of plumping up the uterus to sustain a pregnancy). Oh, and I also had acupuncture (since last year) and reflexology (since this year). Take what you like from all that - I only offer it to you as my example just in case it will help you (or anyone else for that matter).

Just ask if there's anything else you need to know. Like I said before, I am keeping everything crossed for you. You really deserve this to work.

Noks xx

DjuicyUnchained Wed 29-May-13 19:32:20

Nokks, what utterly fantastic news and what a blessing to see! Well done, old girl thanks

In other news I have been outed by my sister! She just texted me to say she has just joined mumsnet to seek advice about her eldest going to uni and she found a thread I was on when I was Jewcy and could see it was me! I'm really not happy about it - I'm so sweary on here!! Do you think she'll link Jewcy to JuicyPear/JuicyPair/DjuicyUnchained? sad

Raaaaaaaaaa.........!!!

Nokkie73 Wed 29-May-13 19:43:25

Cheers joos. Aren't you sweary in real life <looks utterly amazed>. Is another name change in order ?

DjuicyUnchained Wed 29-May-13 20:01:01

Nokks, if you don't separate your epic posts into paragraphs next time I'll come round your gaff and pummel you will a pouch of Felix.

DjuicyUnchained Wed 29-May-13 20:01:55

No, Nokks, I'm not - what with my family being Jews hmm

DjuicyUnchained Wed 29-May-13 20:05:53

Nokks, is your real name Mary and is your husband a cabinet-maker called Joe?

tametortie Wed 29-May-13 20:10:08

I can't imagine you aren't sweary in real life joos- that has burst my bubble!! Hope she doesn't find the post about the tit wank. That was my fave!!! =D

Noks- thanks for all that. My amh is 4.5 and I think I may try a bit of royal jelly. I had been taking dhea but I dont think I should take it without proper blood tests. I am going to continue with acupuncture and keep the vits simple- you can go too wild. I've been rattling.

I've got 3 ten year olds going wild here at the minute at a sleepover. They are hilarious. For those of you TTC/PG with #1- you have all of my hopes and prayers. I thank God everyday for my DD xxx

tametortie Wed 29-May-13 20:14:07

Although, there really is no point us TTC naturally cos sperm can't get in my eggs. I fucking shit you not!!! When I donated eggs, neither my husbands or the other blokes sperm could crack my eggs.

Is there anything out there to soften egg zona???!!!

Fuck my life.

Nokkie73 Wed 29-May-13 20:20:37

joos paragraphs are for girls. Fuck paragraphs. They suck cock real hard. Paragraphs take it up the poop shoot. with kibbles

I have a vision of Mr Joos in the chippy of an evening, whapping it out on the counter for an extra portion (fnar) while you're outside swearing and flipping the bird at passers-by. Is this not true ?

tame you're welcome. I hope it's not too High School Musical with you !

tametortie Wed 29-May-13 20:25:08

Its a bit mean girls if im honest.

Nokkie73 Wed 29-May-13 20:26:04

tame I don't know about softening your eggies but some of the other stuff I took may help little beans stick around. It can't hurt. I did some research about dhea and it was inconclusive for me so I didn't take it. Royal Jelly is supposed to help egg quality so it may be worth a go. Make sure you get a higher dose supplement. Don't get it for holland and barrett as their stuff tends to be lower dosage and a load of old shit.

tametortie Wed 29-May-13 20:37:48

That aptimist royal jelly stuff is supposed to be the bollocks. I've got a good 3 months now to give things a good whirl.

Im gonna book in with the nutritionist at zita west too- best 125 quid I ever spent. That woman knew her stuff.

I might ask penny about the hard zona tomorrow too- she may have some ideas. And she should be able to hear me very clearly on my new phone.

DjuicyUnchained Wed 29-May-13 20:41:48

<hollers through mega phone> NOTHING IMPROVES EGG QUALITY

As you were...

buzzybee123 Wed 29-May-13 20:42:40

juicy which thread did she find you on, if its one where you kept the name jewcy then you should be ok

tortie sorry about the bleeding, maybe you need a higher dose of progesterone from EC maybe???

DjuicyUnchained Wed 29-May-13 20:49:19

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DjuicyUnchained Wed 29-May-13 20:55:19

Buzzy, she found me on a thread where I was called Jewcy. It's just really quite discomfiting to know your sister has found you amongst the thousands of other Jewish, donor-egg-IVF, chippy-loving, cat-owning Northerners hmm

tametortie Wed 29-May-13 20:55:51

Djuicytitwank- I was looking forward to spending a fortune on useless vits!!!

Im thinking the best thing to improve egg quality is the actual drug protocol you are on e.g. Long/short, gonal f/menopur

Nokkie73 Wed 29-May-13 21:03:42

So he was in the chippy for a while with it flapping about in the wind then ? What a total slag

Awwww, he does sound like a proper romantic though. He'll be slathering the curry sauce all over your pups and having a right old time of it before you know it.

tame vitamin E and essential fatty acids help, apparently.

tametortie Wed 29-May-13 21:07:03

Hard eggs? Where did you find that noks? X

buzzybee123 Wed 29-May-13 21:07:45

I don't think I know anyone who comes on MN,I don't think they would be impressed by my carry on on some of these threads grin

man what a day, its been crap, i'm ready for bed . . . .

Nokkie73 Wed 29-May-13 21:26:16

tame a fertile heart. Mam just checking out another website I found helpful - natural fertility info.

Wassup buzz !

EuroShaggleton Wed 29-May-13 21:30:18

Oooo, a whole day to catch up on!

Sorry about the norty pussy juicy. And being tracked down.

tame I'm glad the good cry helped. I'd be interested to hear about your consultation with Penny. I've corresponded with her over email when I had the menstrual blood tested, but never picked her brains!

BTW, I felt the same about my pregnancy - it showed I could get pregnant (it was my first BFP ever). I had begun to doubt that.

It's interesting what you say about your family. I'm similar. I'm an only and my mum took a year to get pg with me in her early 20s and then had 3 miscarriages. Her mum had 2 children 10 years about (suggesting some ishoo there) and her brother has never had children (don't know if he has ever ttc). My dad is an only too.

Hurrah for a good scan Noks! I'm so pleased for you and your little acrobat.

buzz you just knackered or is something else going on?

AFM, there's not much going on. I'm just trying to figure out whether or not I have ovulated. Not much I can do other than keep temping and see what happens. But in less than 2 weeks, I should be calling the clinic again and getting back on the IVF train (cervical biopsy results permitting). Toot toot!

Nokkie73 Wed 29-May-13 21:42:40

Cheers euro. It is interesting when you look back at family history in this context, isn't it ? Mine is the complete opposite. My mum is one of three, dad one of eight (Jamaicans don't muck about !). English maternal grandparents were one of seven and eight respectively and paternal grandparents were one of lots and lots. I came to the conclusion that I was the fuckwit of the family. confused

buzzybee123 Wed 29-May-13 21:50:32

euro I have sore boobs and bad indigestion with the odd womble cramp, I think the tiredness is due to crap diet and steroids hmm I've spend the day with my patient who is afraid of his bitch of a wife and doesn't want to go home, then trying to get hold of some drugs so I don't have to see Shehata again

keepitgoing Thu 30-May-13 03:32:33

noks!! So pleased for you smile

Just wanted to say to twinkle that if you do short protocol (no down regging) you start on day 2/3 of your cycle. Long protocol (with down regging) starts on day 21 usually, though some clinics start at other times. This is how our shsz was differ but didn't know if when she started down regging. Good luck!

twinklestar2 Thu 30-May-13 07:58:01

In what scenario would you have to down reg or not down reg?

twinklestar2 Thu 30-May-13 08:04:22

I told a friend about the IVF on Monday. Was good to tell her but then last night we met up and I was talking about it and the 2ww and how I was just planning to relax and do nothing. And she said to me 'when everyone was telling you to relax and it might happen you we're saying it wasn't important!'. Arrrrrggggghhhh! Just fuck off!!

keepitgoing Thu 30-May-13 08:21:00

Yes, just fuck off 'relax...'

They usually say LP if you are young and have good egg reserves. But, there is mixed evidence. It's supposed to be to time all the eggs together at the same stage. Or cynically, for Nhs clinics to not do egg collection every day. I am young and with good eggs, but insisted on SP at my (private, abroad) clinic because - quicker, fewer drugs, cheaper, doesn't seem less effective. I had a bfp. But I think you will need to go with their recommendation.

keepitgoing Thu 30-May-13 08:21:30

Oh, I think you get more eggs with LP.

ExpatWifey Thu 30-May-13 09:07:37

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tametortie Thu 30-May-13 09:23:58

I am seriously interested in short protocol. Im wondering if it will have any impact on my eggs. Also, buserilin makes me feel suicidal. I've never felt so wretched in my life as when I was down regging this time. I feared for my sanity and honestly wondered if dh was going to bother turning up to give his sample.

Twink- if rl friends are not up to the job, you can confide in us. I've been lucky- my mates are amazing (they are all childless and clueless!) and they have really stepped up recently. That kind of support is so valuable but just grab it where you can. We can all totally relate .

Well today is the day I get my international Greek consultation. Am quite excited! Mainly on the agenda- hidden c testing, egg quality, sperm quality, immune testing. Sounds cheeky but I want to chat through stuff and see what my gp can help me with. I can't justify travelling to Greece for a hysteroscopy with dd in tow. My GP is pretty good and might help me out with a few things.

Bleeding has slowed a little here. Blood test tomorrow. Im not hopeful, I lost a fair bit yesterday. And I dont feel pregnant. I know folk raise eyebrows at that sort of phrase and say 'you never know!' but I need to be realistic to protect myself. I think there is a slim chance all will be ok. Onwards and upwards.....

tametortie Thu 30-May-13 09:34:14

Must also say at this point how much I hate clearblue conception indicators.

I tested with one on Tuesday afternoon and it said pregnant 1-2 and used one this morning and it says pregnant 1-2.

Im quite resigned to the fact that things aren't working out for me. By my LMP I am 4+6 and by EC I am 4+3.

But these tests must cause some terrible stress for women?? Google is full of stories from women picking these tests apart and diagnosing miscarriages. And apparently they are only 65% accurate?? What do you all think?? I think they are a bit dangerous. Perhaps good if used as a rough guide but women in our position are rarely going to be relaxed about something like that.

tametortie Thu 30-May-13 09:35:28

Just wanted to put that out there smile

keepitgoing Thu 30-May-13 10:03:59

Oh tortie I hope all is well tomorrow... You need to go by EC not LMP. And I agree those conception indicators are Evil. Good luck with your hopefully unnecessary consultation.

tametortie Thu 30-May-13 10:08:00

I did wonder what I am dated by- FF gives both options.

It would be amazing if I didn't need the info later but regardless- I will feedback and we can all have a good speculating session about some of her ideas =)

buzzybee123 Thu 30-May-13 11:29:26

tortie the CD digi wouldn't move on so fast in just a few days, your HCG is still in the 1-2 weeks which is where you are at. keep is correct about the LMP.
I am a fan of them as they tell you so you are not left squinting at lines wondering and when the indicator moves up you know something is happening.
The thing is you won't know until the blood test, like I said with my second pregnancy I had a look at my records that I kept and I put 'blood loss clots medium' that went on for 3 days, the bleeding started as spotting and it went on for 7 days, son't give up yet my lovely

expat I like your thinking grin

I am 'working from home and taking S/L, couldn't face patients today, think I might have a uti?? I think I am getting somewhere with all my drugs though

tametortie Thu 30-May-13 11:40:11

What do you do buzzy? Im fascinated about this talk of patients??

x

twinklestar2 Thu 30-May-13 11:41:45

Thx keep for explanation!

Keeping my fingers crossed for you tame.

buzzybee123 Thu 30-May-13 13:09:13

I work for the nhs as a rehab assistance, I work with elderly people who have had falls, strokes parkinsons etc, we help them get back to being independent

JuicyMelons Thu 30-May-13 14:30:03

What's occurring?

Listen, girls, I'm 'going dark' for a while. Yesterday I had a post deleted literally minutes after sending it. Someone obviously took umbrage at my non-PC description of my Chinese chippy man and I suspect that it was a regular reader/contributor to this thread as the reporting of it was so speedy (unless, of course, the culprit is one of those professionally outraged mumsnetters who regularly trawl threads looking for stuff to be, well...outraged at. I doubt it, though, like I said my post was reported immediately which leads me to conclude it's a regular reader).

Either way, it's a little discomfitting to know there is someone reading this thread who would rather my not be here. I know I'm very non-politically correct and a little outrageous but that's who I am. I'm kind and honest, too. I'm not being paranoid, either; there are women all over this board tearing each other apart and none of it gets sanctioned. I don't think I want to be a part of this kind of bullshit and, although you lot have been lovely and supportive, I'm pretty pissed off that some shithead is lurking and reporting.

I'm being whisked away on a pre-IVF break by th'usband and we're going somewhere very rural so I would be going dark anyway until I return. If I return, that is....

JuicyMelons Thu 30-May-13 14:34:46

In case my huff becomes permanent I want to wish all of you the greatest of success with your cycles/pregnancies. I will, of course, report back if there is any good news after my IVF. Thank you to all of you who have been supportive thanks

tametortie Thu 30-May-13 14:43:21

NO NO NO!!! Do not go!!! None of us would have reported you, no way!!! And this is OUR Fred and we will say what the fuck we like.

Do not 'go dark' juicy sad we need you xxxxx

buzzybee123 Thu 30-May-13 14:48:25

juicy don't disappear sad

tametortie Thu 30-May-13 14:53:22

Just found the deleted post. Im shocked. And I would be pissed off too, if I were you. I dont remember you saying anything awful? Not a thing that all of us dont reguarly. I think I've said worse about arse kibbles? Xxxx

Lots of love. Xxxx

buzzybee123 Thu 30-May-13 14:56:54

grin at arse kibbles, which post was it tortie ??

ExpatWifey Thu 30-May-13 15:09:12

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tametortie Thu 30-May-13 15:13:56

Couple of pages back. We were honestly all just talking about random shit. There was nothing awful said at all.

Im pissed off for you juicy angry pissed off if it is someone on here but REALLY pissed off if its someone thats not- we are adults!! If someone offended me, id do the adult thing and say "dont say that,its offensive".

Don't leave cos of someone being silly x

buzzybee123 Thu 30-May-13 15:22:33

just stick around juicy we all need each other

mejust Thu 30-May-13 15:56:56

juicy take no notice if someone did that they are out of order iv seen alot worse on threads its just a laugh and chit chat ,dont go dark we need to know how you getting on also i need a kick up the ass when i freak out as i do regular.

mejust Thu 30-May-13 16:05:55

nokkie im pleased for you smile

not sure if it was twinkle that mentioned it but im on long protocol and down regging on buserelin started on cycle day 2,i dont know what the difference is as it was not explained .
well iv been pretty moody and peeed off the past couple days but i was told to expect that

twinklestar2 Thu 30-May-13 17:31:14

Juicy don't go, I will miss you sad

twinklestar2 Thu 30-May-13 17:36:59

Juicy don't go, I will miss you sad

MotorcycleMama Thu 30-May-13 18:09:00

Oh dear juicy. You are totally outrageous and un-PC and have provided me with more laughs during this very stressful period than anyone or anything else. You have also been kind and supportive, and of course need support yourself, else you wouldn't be here, right? To be honest, I cannot imagine what you could have written that was any more potentially offensive than previous posts, so it is curious why it would happen now.
Anyway, I sincerely hope you don't disappear for our sakes, and yours. You are similar age and circumstances to me, and we would have been very close to each other time-wise with our DE IVF cycles, so I would miss you terribly. X

resipsa Thu 30-May-13 20:24:24

Bloody hell, juicy don't you DARE go AWOL. I am relying on you to conceive twins 1st time so I can convince DH of the wonder of DE IVF. It'd be extremely selfish if you to desert me when I am in the depths of despair (as winkle will tell you) wink

Nokkie73 Thu 30-May-13 20:24:46

Blimey - I go out for the afternoon only to find that joos has left the building. Please don't go my love. We need you. You make us all laugh and build us up when we are low. More importantly, it's our turn to be there for you when you go through your treatment. We owe you that much given the support you have given us. I, for one, don't want you to go through it without us behind you every step of the way.

So, don't change and please please come back.

Nxx

twinklestar2 Thu 30-May-13 21:04:39

Ditto what nokkie said

tametortie Thu 30-May-13 22:18:52

I've checked flouncers corner and she's not there sad

I luff her.

Nokkie73 Thu 30-May-13 22:41:29

We all luff the mad old bag tame. If she doesn't come back, it will make me very sad indeed. sad

COME BACK BIG OLE PAIR OF TIDDIES

Nokkie73 Thu 30-May-13 22:45:48

By the way, best of luck for tomorrow tame honey. I will be thinking of you. What time is your appointment ? Xx

tametortie Thu 30-May-13 22:46:09

[gets a mirror, credit card and babydust]

That's it. Who wants a line?

tametortie Thu 30-May-13 22:50:49

8.45.

I did something gross today. I wore some of my mums big white pants so I could monitor blood loss. Its just not cricket on a black thong. So here's the verdict....

About 10 flecks the size of grain of rice/half a garden pea in the big white gusset plus watery red when I wipe. Is that heavy loss? It seems heavy but its probably actually not is it? Im crampy though.

Disclaimer; at no point was there any rice or garden peas in the pants- its just size comparison. And I had my mums permission. And chucked them after.

Nokkie73 Thu 30-May-13 22:51:16

Me. Make it two big fat ones.

She's driven us to it. cries, dramatically

Nokkie73 Thu 30-May-13 22:53:23

sniffs three times and totters off to the bar

Is the watery stuff new looking blood ?

tametortie Thu 30-May-13 22:54:56

Yes, its pinky red. Not good is it?

tametortie Thu 30-May-13 22:56:20

[snorts line and slams head on table]

Jesus- this is good shit!

[waits for posts to be deleted]

Nokkie73 Thu 30-May-13 22:57:02

Mate, you will only know for sure once you have your test tomorrow. However, with both of my bleeds, I had about a days worth of completely new looking blood and then old looking clotty stuff come out.

Nokkie73 Thu 30-May-13 22:58:10

Rubs some on gums, fanjo and arse crack Well, why the hell not.

Also waits to be reported and have house raided for being a druggie.

chocoloco1 Thu 30-May-13 23:03:59

Nooo! Juicy moosey, please don't leave. It won't be the same without you <tries not to cause offence to anyone else> and we won't get to hear how everything has gone either. I, for one, am already looking forward to your posts from outer Mongolia or wherever the heck it is you're going for treatmentwink x

tametortie Thu 30-May-13 23:04:14

Ill report back as soon as I know xxx I reckon its 80/20. Miracles dont happen to good people. And im damn fine!

chocoloco1 Thu 30-May-13 23:18:51

tame I really hope you'll have some good news tomorrow, will be thinking of you - the waiting and not knowing is awful x

wishuponapositive Thu 30-May-13 23:27:40

Ok just checked in to update and I see Jewcy has left us :-( not cool! The non-PC shite is what makes this Fred different to all the suicide worthy fake baby dust crap that isn't real!

I don't know what was posted but was it bad enough to push away the crazy non PC spirit lifter? :-(

Sad now...

Good luck Tame, will be thinking of you xxx

resipsa Thu 30-May-13 23:36:23

I know the point of this thread is PMA, laugh it off, swear a lot, try not to be seen to care too much but I REALLY hope all is OK tomorrow tame. Been in those shoes and wouldn't wear them again.

MotorcycleMama Fri 31-May-13 06:16:09

tame just to say I'm thinking of you. Fingers crossed! Keep us updated.

tametortie Fri 31-May-13 06:45:09

Thanks for best wishes. Been awake since 5am sad will update later as well on the penny convo- was fascinating and given us plenty to think about. Put it this way- DH is entering fertility boot camp and we are having no more treatment till his sperm improve. She thinks our main reason for infertility/miscarriages is his sperm dna. Interesting stuff.....

ExpatWifey Fri 31-May-13 07:03:16

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

EuroShaggleton Fri 31-May-13 07:48:40

Tame I was the same on burserelin. The stuff is fucking evil and the main reason I am now doing natural IVF.

Interesting tame. When you update on the Penny conversation, would you mention what his spaff tests were like and what fertility boot camp involves. My current hunch (and I've had several through the course of this crappy journey) is that our problem is sperm DNA, fuelled partly by some research last year which found sperm DNA ishooos in 80% of unexplained cases (which of course we are).

juicy please don't leave. I would never report a non-politically correct post (you should see the other forum I post on - it would have most MNers running away screaming). Enjoy your break!

buzz I'm glad you are sounding a bit better. It seems like the pesky steroids are really taking their toll though.

I got my cervical biopsy results yesterday. They confirmed a mild abnormality and gave me the option of having it treated or just monitoring it every 6 months. I'm of course going for the latter, which means we can crack on with the IVF next month!

mejust Fri 31-May-13 07:59:31

euro im glad you can crack on with your ivf now when will you start?
tam good luck for today hope all is well.

At the moment everyone seems to be stressing me out people calling up for favours and moaning about their problems,they know iv started my cycle and im really stressed now and angry,am i being selfish or is it the drugs making me angry?

mejust Fri 31-May-13 08:01:38

sorry expat glad to hear the peas are helping are you down regging or stimming at the mo

ExpatWifey Fri 31-May-13 08:37:04

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

buzzybee123 Fri 31-May-13 08:43:36

thinking of you tortie

hello to everyone else

twinklestar2 Fri 31-May-13 09:16:56

Good luck today tame!!

Loving the drug talk last night - totes hilairballs!

EuroShaggleton Fri 31-May-13 09:52:28

Expat, no downregging or stimming. Just one injection for the trigger shot and then progesteron fanny bullets.

me period is due mid-June, so will call the clinic then. Probably means EC late June/early July. 2WOOFLING* until mid-July.

*stolen from the BESH - 2ww is not really adequate for the IVF 2ww so instead we 2WOOFL - 2 weeks of obsessive fucking lunacy.

buzzybee123 Fri 31-May-13 09:53:04

just had my scan, only one sac and yolk seen, measuring 5 weeks, i'm at least 5w4d hmm I know I should be happy and reassured but I feel more freaked out now, I felt with 2 I would get this whole shitty thing over with and that I would never have to go through all of this again, now I feel everything is riding on this one sac sad and I worry about what will happen next time when I know I should

mejust Fri 31-May-13 10:02:56

euro i think ec collection for me may be around mid june im really really scared of it and the stimms ,i guess il have to talk things over with the nurse and may feel a bit better about it all im just finding this so hard at the mo.one minute im going with the flow and the next i am worried.
sorry to off load everyone

mejust Fri 31-May-13 10:05:47

buzz i know im a fine one to talk but try and be calm and enjoy being pregnant easier said than done i know ,your little bean is doing well smile

Lifeasafish Fri 31-May-13 11:11:02

juicy especially now - no one should be hounded away for 'open' expression. I find it cowardly that someone has secretly reported you.

tame take each day as it comes. Good luck!

mejust what are you worried about? Mind you thats a stupid question really. Each time I worry or think beyond tm I fight to stop myself. There isn't anything more that we can do apart from go through the motions so worrying won't help (i had intensive therapy on worry/anxiety last year, which I think is elping now).

I started 0.5 of bureselin on day 21. I also started my period 2 days ago which is a bit heavier but not more painful than it could be. Tough pain has lasted longer...

I feel absolutely fine, but I'm having bad dreams, which isnt necessarily abnormal for me. I think I'm going to stop looking for side effects.

Re drugs - the irony of having a grands worth of drugs in my kitchen, none of which will get me stoned!

Lifeasafish Fri 31-May-13 11:15:38

Oh, i'm still fuzzy headed.... It was me who forgot deodorant yesterday. Luckily I don't get full 'ohmyfuckinggod,pleaseuseabrillopadunderthere' but I was paranoid yesterday.

Opps.

buzzybee123 Fri 31-May-13 11:25:50

I hate being pregnant, if I had the money I would use a surrogate, there is nothing left for me to enjoy, its the constant worry knowing what it can fail at any time, I really don't ever want to go through this again, I just can't stand it

chocoloco1 Fri 31-May-13 12:13:04

Poor buzzy. Were they happy with the scan and what you were measuring? No-one could blame you for feeling like this and pissed off with it after everything it's taken to get here. [Sad]

chocoloco1 Fri 31-May-13 12:13:54

sad

buzzybee123 Fri 31-May-13 12:19:17

the scan is ok, they will rescan me in 2 weeks and then they will know, I don't think I ca stand the wait. I'm going to see if EPAU will give me a blood test next week, I just think if I had such high HCG in the beginning that one has failed and this one is not viable, I give up, nature is telling something sad

mejust Fri 31-May-13 12:48:58

buzzy i really feel for you its awfull how your feeling i hope your next scan is good news for you.

life me im just anxious at times same as you my heads a bit fuzzy but the moods well being a bit snappy have set in a little ,i think not being in control of anything is the worst bit .iv got used to these injections but anxious as i know ill have to add to this in a few weeks .glad to see your doing well .

where r u juicy hurry up and come back

buzzybee123 Fri 31-May-13 12:50:21

my symptoms have stopped, no sore boobs, had a headache yesterday, that is what happened last time I miscarried sad

tametortie Fri 31-May-13 12:59:50

Buzzy- hope you are ok. I feel for you. What did the scan show? Do not panic xxxxx

buzzybee123 Fri 31-May-13 13:02:38

its over tortie I just need the blood test to prove it now

buzzybee123 Fri 31-May-13 13:15:47

digi says 2-3 weeks sad

tametortie Fri 31-May-13 13:16:30

Buzzy really?? What happened??? My heart goes out to you xxxx

Lifeasafish Fri 31-May-13 13:18:43

buzzy you don't know that. It's easy for me/us to say, but preparing yourself for the worst will not make it any easier IF it happens. Try to stay neutral at least?

I've not got as far as you so I don't know if I'm speaking out of turn, but please just hold in there. Just a little longer.

mejust yes I've been snappy etc, I've assumed normal pmt. have you had a period? I may be a ball of worry/ aniexty later on but I just don't think about whats next. I cannot afford to, as I'll probably slide to pessimism. DH has been thinking about it a bit. I was full of resentment last night for having a womans body and going through all this but I do most periods anyway.

Lifeasafish Fri 31-May-13 13:20:04

X-post. Buzzy - can you call the clinic? Can you go to epau now?

My thoughts are with you.

tametortie Fri 31-May-13 13:20:32

I can't talk buzzy cos you have had to talk me out of negativity but there is so much unknown. Can you get a hcg done today? To put your mind at rest?

A digi test is not conclusive! They are shit x

buzzybee123 Fri 31-May-13 13:20:44

there is nothing they can do just confirm it with blood tests

tametortie Fri 31-May-13 13:22:27

Were the measurements vastly out then?? Or they just couldn't see?? How far are you and how far are you measuring? Is there a heartbeat? Xxx

Lifeasafish Fri 31-May-13 13:22:52

Buzzy - did you use first morning urine for the last test you did?

buzzybee123 Fri 31-May-13 13:32:03

it doesn't make much difference when you pee, it wouldn't drop a week

tametortie Fri 31-May-13 13:58:48

You need to do a proper blood test xxxx

buzzybee123 Fri 31-May-13 14:10:21

i'm trying to organise one now

tametortie Fri 31-May-13 14:16:56

What did the scan show that has scared you so much chick?? Why have you got to go back in 2 weeks? Xxx

buzzybee123 Fri 31-May-13 14:28:24

I am 5w4d, the sac measured only 5w0d, my symptoms have stopped, I have lots of pains and the digi has dropped, I feel normal, i'm sure if I stopped all the drugs I would start to miscarry

Nokkie73 Fri 31-May-13 14:44:46

Oh buzz. Like tame says, you need to get a proper blood test done as that's the most accurate way of seeing what's happening. Those digi tests can be horribly misleading. I don't think the measurements are 100%accurate as they have revised mine. They can only accurately tell as the embie gets a bit bigger. Please don't give-up until you have all of the facts. I know that sounds clinical but you have come so far - until they tell you it's all over, it isn't.

Am thinking of you.

tame how did it go this morning ?

Am thinking of you too.

Hi to everyone else. Sorry for the lack of personals.

Xx

resipsa Fri 31-May-13 14:49:34

Buzzy God, it's a shitty place to be in and I'm sorry. Was in limbo myself for 3 weeks last year and your life seems to contract so only the wait is meaningful BUT when I was P with DD, I tested with a digi at 6 weeks (from LMP, about 25 days from O) and it showed 2-3 weeks. She is fine so no need to think the worst yet.

buzzybee123 Fri 31-May-13 15:02:46

epau don't think that a blood test will be conclusive as the numbers will be so high so they supposedly don't double quite the same or something, now they have seen the sac that is what they will work from, my cat is acting strangely which doesn't help my mental state, my symptoms have stopped and I feel normal so its not good ladies, need to stop the steroids as soon as possible

MotorcycleMama Fri 31-May-13 15:05:42

buzzy I don't mean to dismiss your worries, but you just had a scan, which showed fairly normal measurements. Presumably when you initially had 2 sacs, the hcg would have been high, and now there is just one maybe it would drop? If the medical staff thought you were in the process of miscarriage when they scanned you, surely they would have said? Try not to panic. I hope that you get the reassurance you need, and that your panic is ungrounded. Lots of love.

MotorcycleMama Fri 31-May-13 15:16:54

life bad dreams and fuzzy-headed? Join the club. Over-emotional? Tick. I had the prostrap injection on Tuesday, and I think it is kicking in. It is basically the same as the buserilin, but a one off rather than daily injections. I thought I was just looking for side-effects too, but seeing your description, I know it must be that. When do you move to the next phase? When is EC? I have down-reg scan and start progynova on the 19th, and donor EC is estimated to be the 24th.

buzzybee123 Fri 31-May-13 15:29:50

motor its the first scan they have done, they have nothing to measure against, its the fact that all my so called symptoms have gone tell me something is not right, I 've been here before I know the drill, with my second miscarriage this shit went on for 3.5 weeks, I know I couldn't cope again with all that wait another week oh wait another week

MotorcycleMama Fri 31-May-13 15:30:13

tame how was the blood test? When do you get the results?

AFM I have got a raging UTI following the internal scan and endometrial scratch on Tuesday. Now waiting for a prescription for antibiotics from the GP. That rather ruins the weekend away we had planned as a way of me trying to reassure DH that life can carry on as normal despite IVF. Still, small fry compared to worries about pregnancy.

putthecrispsDOWN Fri 31-May-13 16:22:11

Hi ladies. Just popped in to check on you all. Have kept in touch with buzz and noks on t'other thread.

You lot have gone postal!! It's like a crazy hormone-fuelled soap opera on here, bloody fantastic. Although gutted to see the jewcy has gone. Hi if you are lurking jewcy, come back, your potty mouth is needed for entertainment purposes.

Congrats tame, hope everything went ok today? x

MotorcycleMama Fri 31-May-13 16:23:57

buzzy it is totally understandable that you are fearing the worst given what you have been through before, but just because it has happened before, does not mean it will happen again, and I truly hope this will be successful. Can you talk to the guys who did the scan and ask their opinion, or did you do that already? They said 5wks, you know it is a few more days than that, but it is not far off!

buzzybee123 Fri 31-May-13 16:30:55

thanks motor I spoke to them at EPAU, they say they have to wait as anything else is inconclusive, its the lack of symptoms and all the cramping

mejust Fri 31-May-13 16:36:57

hi life yes i had a period started buserelin on day cd2 but started bleeding again couple days after period stopped but they said that shows meds working ,have you got scan booked?
motor i see you have some of the same symptoms join the club im trying not to be so snappy but it just comes out some of the time.

tam how did it go?
hello crisps

buzz i agree if they thought from your scan you were maybe going to have a miscarriage im sure they would of said ,when i was scanned they said my placenta was low and may cause problems they didnt keep quiet.

MotorcycleMama Fri 31-May-13 16:45:24

buzzy I know this may sound unrealistic in the circumstances, but you need to reduce your stress levels a bit, try to do some sort of relaxation or whatever works for you. It is so hard to think and plan when you are as upset and anxious as you understandably are. All my best vibes are going out to you and everything crossed for a happy conclusion. Keep us updated. X

wishuponapositive Fri 31-May-13 17:09:13

Hey ladies,

Did anyone take Microgynon 30 as part of their down regging?

NookNook Fri 31-May-13 17:43:23

What the HELL has been going on around here??

Juicy come back you twat.

Buzzy hang in there.

Big hugs to everyone else. Will post properly later. Xx

Lifeasafish Fri 31-May-13 18:20:29

motor my scan is on the 11th june. So quite a long down reg I think.

buzzy I agree with the rest, you must be out of your mind but there is nothing concrete just yet.

wish no, I didn't, but I know it can be used. I coldn't have anyway - the pill doesn't like me nor I, it!

nooks good to see you! How are you doing?

wishuponapositive Fri 31-May-13 19:31:20

Thank life, I just seem to be having problems with it.

Luckily it was my last pill today but for the last 2 weeks I've had massive boobs that hurts so much, I've suffered with a bad back and had headaches and sickness. That's not to mention my I wanna kill someone wonderful mood!

My newly preggers friend says its exactly how she's feeling, atleast she has something to show for it eh?

tametortie Fri 31-May-13 21:46:15

Good evening motherf***ers!!!

Heres the personals as a start off....

buzzy I absolutely 100% KNOW where you are coming from. Miscarriage is an awful awful thing to experience. It sucks the enjoyment and happiness out of being pregnant. Unfortunately, you are in limbo, which is the worst place to be. You need to gather as much information as possible. The scan and a clearblue digi is not enough evidence that you are going to miscarry. Those fucking clearblue digis are the work of satan. 4 days out on a scan at your stage is a matter of millimeteres and can make a huge difference or be negiligible- you wont know for 2 weeks. Just a suggestion but can you book a private scan for a weeks time? As a reassurance scan? HCG monitoring at this stage may be difficult but I honestly think that you are not asking to see the numbers double, you are asking them to check they arent dropping- so what is the issue??? Push for more info if you want it, you need to be able to prepare yourself mentally for the best or the worst. And none of us can tell you which way this will go. I wish we could but none of us really know. You dont know either. Its just a case of preparing and gathering the facts. Keep taking your meds though chick. I know when I miscarried, I want into self destruct mode and just stopped taking everything- not a good idea. Stay calm, relax and voice your worries to us. We are all listening and will try to reassure you. I KNOW that when the fear takes hold though, there is nothing anyone can say. You need to just be able to ride this out xxxxxxx

wish I am also evil on the pill. And on buserilin. I'm just all round nasty!!

Hello to everyone else xxxxxxxxxx

AFM, a very looooong day today. And not the best news. HCG is only 65.3 so too low for the stage I am at. The good news is that we managed to get pregnant so I wasnt imagining all those tests!! I really did get pregnant. Not for long, but I did smile

Have to have another test on Monday but luckily for me, a fertility consultant at the hospital I work at loves me and is going to do it to save me plodding up to Notts. smile He is an angel. And he was very hopeful for me (he did my scratch) but I am bleeding properly into a pad now so I know the HCG is dropping and not holding off the flow anymore. Its worked out really nicely because my ferility doc at nurture is friends with the one from work so we have worked it out nicely for Monday to make it easy. Once again, I love my clinic.

I really really want to stop my pessaries because I feel as though they are holding off the inevitable but DH doesnt want me too. What would you do???

Had a fab conversation last night with Penny regarding DH, sperm and sperm DNA. We have an antibiotic protocol to start him on which has spurred me on. DH has entered my fertility bootcamp. He's fucking hating it and is guzzling wine at the mo to prove a point but he can piss off.

High sperm DNA fragmentation causes;

- arrest/slow growth and arrest of embryos after day 3 (US!!!)
- No blastocysts (fuck me!! its us again!!!)
-infertility and miscarriage (erm...yep...thats us!!)

So DH can piss off. He is having antibiotics, antioxidants, whatever it takes. No more miscarriages.

Penny also said no more treatment till we have the infection testing and treatment done. Suits me- a couple of months break will do us good.

She was really fascinating- talked a lot of sense about our situation and the whole infection thing. Definitely something we will be pursuing as it seems to really fit the issues we are having.

Here is a classic quote from our conversation that struck a chord with me;

"Great embryologists can make embryos out of dead or nearly dead sperm. However, they will not make a baby."

In other words, we need to improve our groundwork. No moving sperm is not something we should be going into treatment with.

xxxx

chocoloco1 Fri 31-May-13 21:53:28

tame so sorry to hear your news. I've been there fairly recently and it's fucking awful waiting to hear back about hcg levels etc. Your info re sperm etc sounds really positive and you sound very determined and the treatment plan sounds good. X

chocoloco1 Fri 31-May-13 22:12:13

wish no experience of microgynon, I was meant to be on it for my first cycle but wasn't allowed as bp was too high, so had norethisterone instead. Thank god you've finished it now! What's next? Buserelin? Menopur? What protocol are you on?

buzzy so sorry you're going through such uncertainty at the moment, with what seems like no easy solution to getting some possible answers. Thinking of you

motor crap about the uti, it's making me want to cross my legs just thinking about the pain

life fuzzy-headed doesn't sound good, I remember headaches for the first days of buserelin and moods, but not much else

euro glad your results mean you can crack on! Wow, that's not long now

Not much happening with me: we have a consultation on the 18th June to discuss treatment for next cycle. I think for now we've decided not to have the NK cells tests, but consultant did say that they will sometimes give steroids etc without testing- bit scared about the whole steroid thing if I'm honest. I kind of like the idea of the tests to see if there is a problem, but if there is I'm not so sure I'd want to do anything IYSWIM. Hopefully I will be having an endometrial scratch in early-mid July and then cracking on after that to fit in with the summer hols. It's getting closergrin

Hello to everyone else

buzzybee123 Fri 31-May-13 22:44:23

well if I was a rational person hmm hmm then I would say wait and until you've had the next blood test, did you up the progesterone??

Glad you had a good chat with Penny and you have a plan

choco it sounds like all systems go

thanks for your support ladies I do appreciate it x

mejust Fri 31-May-13 23:04:58

tam im really sorry to hear that x

twinklestar2 Fri 31-May-13 23:26:15

Big hugs tame

Keeping my fingers crossed for you buzz

EuroShaggleton Fri 31-May-13 23:55:51

Hugs to tame and buzz. I'm sorry that this has to be so difficult.

tame everything I have read suggests sperm DNA issues for us too. There's not much he can improve in terms of lifestyle though.

wishuponapositive Sat 01-Jun-13 00:09:02

Hi choco, I now have AF visit for a few days which my body is screaming for! Then it's on to Gonal F injections on Tuesday with a mock ET. Scans start a week after that!
It's getting closer so it's turning from excitment and positivism to dread and fear!

I love how positive you are :-)

putthecrispsDOWN Sat 01-Jun-13 09:03:20

tame sorry if things don't work out for you, what a shame. I am mentally high-fiving you for your kick ass attitude though, I wish I could bottle your proactivity and pma. I try to stick with the principle that every failed cycle gives you more information for your next so I hope in a way you get something positive put of this. X

NookNook Sat 01-Jun-13 09:44:41

Tame so sorry you're going through this. You sound determined to look forwards though which is really positive and inspirational. I still have everything crossed for you. Keep us updated.

Life my scan is on the 13th so I beat you for the longest ever long protocol! grin

Nokkie73 Sat 01-Jun-13 09:53:28

tame I am really sorry that your results aren't what you would expect at this stage. That said, I have to take my hat off to you for your totally wicked attitude. You are really brave and a brilliant example to us all. It's so important to have a plan - when my ivf failed earlier the year, I felt a billion times better when I formulated a plan for the future (well, the sort-term future anyway) after years of just trying with the very unhelpful 'unexplained' tag hanging around my neck. Spaff Bootcamp sounds brilliant ! I hope you manage to have a reasonably ok weekend, all things considered. Nix

buzz I am really hoping that you have a better day, my love. I will be thinking of you. Xx

choccywoccydoodah so you'll be getting back on the bus soon then ? Fabulous news. You sound quite upbeat about it which is great.

Help to all the other ladies. I have to go and get ready now as I'm off to Kew Gardens for the day for my friend's birthday. I have cooked coconut macaroons (my new favourite recipe, mainly because I put cherries on the top of them and they look like coconut titties), frosted mini carrot cakes and a curly wurly birthday cake. I know, I make Nigella look like a right lazy slag.

Noks x

tametortie Sat 01-Jun-13 10:02:24

Buzzy rational?? us???? grin I know I should really wait until the results of the next blood test before talking about it all as if it is over but I just 'know'. I 'know' I am not pregnant anymore and the result I got yesterday is the hormone on its way down, not up. Unless I'm one of these unlucky people where it goes up, down, up, down- jesus. I've read a few stories like that and I think I'd have to be knocked out till its over sad Hope you are feeling ok my love- I know its hard being in a waiting game to hear but lets just pray quietly and hope. Are you still having cramps? Did you get some gestone injections?

I have done the calculations- my 1st positive test was Friday 24th, very very early so I am not sure whether that was HCG from me or trigger. So I am discounting that. Next positive was Monday. Now, doesn't your HCG have to be at 25 to get a positive on a test??? So at the very minimum, it should have been double that on Wednesday and at least double again yesterday. 65 seems very low to me for yesterdays result- I was 18 days post eC and had tested positive very early so should have really been a lot higher. I'm being realistic- I think that the level was on its way back down when I was tested yesterday. I have put a few extra pessaries in but the bleeding is in peoper flow now so its hard to keep them in (sorry for the graphic slasher horror talk).

Thanks for praising my positivity- inside I feel sad and desperate. I never thought I would need a 4th cycle. I am 'Fiona'. I'm one of those sad women on fertility friends where people read your signature and wince and think 'time to give up love'. I may have to put a shitty quote on my signature about dancing in the fucking rain or something.

Good to hear that everybody else is getting going with their cycles- I love hearing how many eggs people get, how many embryos and then sitting through the 2ww- its so exciting!!! Am reallly looking forward to sharing your cycles with you nooknook, choco twinks wish and mejust and euro- all systems are go and I have everything crossed for all of you.xxxx

We will probably not cycle again until August/September but I hope you don't mind me hanging around on here???? I really want to bore you all with my naval gazing, vitamin regimes and theories on sperm DNA.hmm what a fucking bore......

tametortie Sat 01-Jun-13 10:04:19

Noks- those coconut titties sound an absolute treat!!!! nom nom nom smile

Nokkie73 Sat 01-Jun-13 10:53:39

tame I'll send you some ! Please don't put one of those dancing fucking douchebags in the rain emoticons on Fertility Fiends. Can't you have a lady standing in the rain flipping the bird instead ? That would be much more appropriate. Please please please hang around. I need another sweary partner now that she who shall remain nameless has taken her potty mouth and fucked off (not for long I hope). We luff you.

Awwwwww, group fucking hug.

Right, I shall take me and my coconut and cherry tits off to Kew.

Tutty bye.

Norks xx

EuroShaggleton Sat 01-Jun-13 11:12:53

nook so I guess you will be stimming from mid-June? We might be cycle buddies. My period will be due a day or two before your scan. So I guess I will be headed for EC in late June.

noks, nice coconuts wink. I need to do some baking. But at the moment I am enjoying a lazy morning of doing absolutely sweet FA.

tame you sound so resigned. <hugs>

buzz how are you doing today?

Should we do a round up of where everyone is because I am losing track?

Euro - natural IVF#2 starting mid June, EC probably late June.

NookNook Sat 01-Jun-13 11:37:59

Ooo Euro would love to be cycle buddies with you! I'm rather jealous of your relatively drug free ivf.

Good idea about the update.

Me - 3rd IVF, looooong protocol, currently on down regulation, egg collection should be late June. already considering alternatives to parenthood feeling super positive about this cycle!

NookNook Sat 01-Jun-13 11:39:03

Oh yeah and NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO LEAVE!

Nokkie73 Sat 01-Jun-13 11:39:16

Pah, everyone is running late so I can annoy you lot for a bit longer.

Fanks euro. I also make cupcakes that look like titties. I think that i may be a little obsessed..... So you're ploughing on with treatment then and not letting the dodgy smear get in the way. It's just such a shame that this dodgy result put you back a month.

Noks, I have been clean now and off the booze for four months and three days. Oh, sorry, wrong group. Ttc for four and a half years. MC in July 2009. No luck since. Failed ivf in March 2013. Surprise bfp straight after ivf. 9+6 (or thereabouts - doctor thinks she may have over-measured by a couple of days). Am scared shitless. I have joined the ivf worriers board but for some reason don't think I quite belong there yet.

Nx

EuroShaggleton Sat 01-Jun-13 11:51:35

Yeah, losing a cycle is annoying, but I have to say, I am feeling better in myself now. It takes a while to recover from an mc, i'm discovering. So it might not be such a bad thing.

Nokkie73 Sat 01-Jun-13 12:13:42

Well it may have happened for a reason, all this delay. I hope so anyway. At least you have had a little more time to get your head around the MC (as much as you can). X

buzzybee123 Sat 01-Jun-13 13:14:51

the drugs are having such a profound affect on me and are making me so miserable sad

tortie with my last pregnancy I tested on CD 28 which was 12dpo and got 1-2 weeks on the digi, I managed to get an appt with my GP the same day, her so called more sensitive test gave me a BFN,{this is why I believe in the digi} so she sent me for a blood test the next day and my HCG was 28 so no you can have a lower HCG and get a BFP, and they don't always exactly double either, after that mine went up more than double, which worried them a bit,
I am also surprised that you are bleeding so much when you are on so much progesterone are you on 200 or 400mgs??

noksenjoy your day out

resipsa Sat 01-Jun-13 13:22:22

I'm one of those who comes on, selfishly obsesses, takes the kind words/support then buggers off for a while so apologies. Must try harder. And swear more.

Been TTC no.2 since Sept 11 (gawd, so much worse when you write it down). MMC March 12 (got BFP the week I went back to work after DC1 so should have known it was too good to be true). Nothing since. Failed short protocol IVF (after 3 embies put back) in May 13. Now seriously obsessed/depressed. Am 42. Where next? Thinking DE but DH not on board...

Surrounded by people who have just had or are pregnant with no. 2.

tametortie Sat 01-Jun-13 13:28:56

Im on 400mg buzzy. I think its the bleeding that is giving me such a bad feeling- just like my last mc. Its so heavy and clotty.

We will see on Monday BUT i really dont hold out any hope. Im just not feeling it. X

Buzzy- thanks for being so positive for me. Xxxx you are an angel xxxx

tametortie Sat 01-Jun-13 13:46:44

In fact, it may be something to raise at a reveiw. I used to find it hard to hold off bleeds when I was on the pill and have to go on a much higher dosage band for my weight. So it may be that I need to consider gestone injections in future.

It is almost as though when my body rejects the embryo, I just flood. Its horrible.

buzzybee123 Sat 01-Jun-13 13:57:56

I'm quite good when I am rational but I do feel so Jekyll and Hyde right now hmm

I think you need to be on a higher dose, i'm on 1200mgs of arse bullets day although I am swapping my afternoon bullet for a jab in the arse instead.

I had a look at my ledger and last time my HCG got to 3600 11 days after my BFP on CD28, they scanned me that day and they saw a yolk and sac

This time I got to 3719 in only 5 days after getting a BFP on CD28, so now I am wondering if maybe both implanted but only one has survived, I think I'm just trying to cling onto what little hope I have left which probably isn't helping me at all

tametortie Sat 01-Jun-13 14:43:15

Buzzy you had 2 good embryos put back and this time can be very uncertain with embryos attaching, growing, petering off, inconclusive scans, symptom spotting etc. Be kind to yourself and be patient. You have had bad experiences and its any wonder you want to cling onto hope. We have all been there. I'm probably not helping you by being so pessimistic about my own situation (sorry!!) but we all have our own coping strategies. I know mine is over but I have every every hope for you. We need to keep our fingers crossed.

Did the scan yesterday only show one sac?? Are your cramps any better?? Make sure you get some rest in. It might help, it might not but an hour on the bed each afternoon with some positive thinking and affirmations will do NO harm at all xxxx

I definitely need to be on a higher dose of progesterone next time- its holding nothing off now. My body has gone into natural 'expel' mode which is just awful. Why is my body so fucking efficient at miscarriages??!!!!

Here is my fertility friends signature- its fucking depressing reading y'all. Feel free to tell me its time to give up....

TTC since Dec 2006
DH 33- 0% motility Me 31- AMH- 4.5 and mild endo and NK cells. booooo.
Beautiful daughter from previous relationship 2003
MMC May 2008 at 9 weeks- awful : (
Lap and dye x 2 with ablation.
Egg Sharing at CRM
~1 IVF EC on June 3rd 2011, 9 eggs, 4 for us, zero fertilisation for us and recipient. Gutted.
~2 ICSI EC 10th October 2011, 13 eggs, 6 for us, 5 fertilised. BFN.
Change of clinic to Nurture in Nottingham
3~ICSI EC 13th May 2013 13 eggs, 7 mature ,4 fertilised. ET 18/5- not quite blasties 27/5- BFP!!! then early MC

Oh god just read it again and actually want to put a gun to my head. I'm shit.

tametortie Sat 01-Jun-13 14:47:17

Buzzy let me just reiterate, cos I dont feel I have said it enough and you have been so hopeful for me. You are going to be ok- you have every chance of this all being ok. We are all with you xxx

mejust Sat 01-Jun-13 15:14:49

hello everyone tam im sorry to hear that i hope your ok and please stick around .

me
1st ivf -egg share
currently down regging
pcos

I feel ok today not so moody and snappy cant wait till i dont have to inject anymore though im hoping only 9 days or so left down regging all being well.

buzzybee123 Sat 01-Jun-13 17:04:04

tortie I definitely thing you need to be on higher dose at least 800mgs, the injectables from here are bloody expensive though I forgot how many you had put back, was it 1 or 2,

the woman on FF who has been 'helping' me told me that she has spent 70,000 + on having her 3 kids and admitted she nearly lost her marriage over it as well as the house shock she went through 11 miscarriages too, I have to admit I did feel like I saying, you need some perspective, I know everyone has to do what they feel is right, but I love my husband and wouldn't risk our marriage over a pregnancy but I think we are way off being the Fiona's of the world smile

tametortie Sat 01-Jun-13 17:19:22

buzzy I hope I am a way off being a bloody Fiona!! Although 4 cycles at 32 seems dreadful. Although the 1st was failed fertilasation so DH doesn't really count that one!!

I had 2 put back but one was only a 10 cell so couple of days behind. I think the one that stuck was my morula- Maurice smile poor little fella.

70 grand is a lot. On 3 kids? That's 23,333 per kid. I've spent about 8-10 so far and me and DH are still talking so reckon im onto a winner!! We could afford to move if we didn't have treatment but we are staying in our lickle semi to make it easier to save. Doesn't mean the odd thing doesn't creep onto the credit card but we have done well so far to be honest. We haven't accrued much debt. I would like less debt but its manageable so I try not to worry too much. Its if we moved house and got a bigger mortgage that we would struggle.

Wow.....70,000......im shocked!

MotorcycleMama Sat 01-Jun-13 18:18:43

tame and buzz my heart goes out to you both right now.

I'm 41, DH 39. Mmc at 12 weeks 2008 with a different partner, different life, still devastating. TTC since June 2011. Low AMH, high FSH, one blocked Fallopian tube. Give very low chance of success with natural conception or IVF, so going straight for donor IVF. Currently downregging on long protocol with egg transfer estimated to be around 24th June, all being well.

RaspberrySnowCone Sat 01-Jun-13 18:39:00

Hello,
Another reporting for IVF. Not sure on actual timings as yet but received letter this morning saying we should go in for baseline scans/bloods at start of next cycle which is probably three/four weeks off.

Been trying four years, no pregnancies at all ever, nothing wrong with DH. I have a bit of endo apparently and I also have a condition that affects the cilia in my body so probably affecting my tubes too but they were/are clear apparently when I had a lap&dye last year.

Anyone know what happens at first appt or will they just dildo cam me, steal my blood then tell us to come back another day?

wishuponapositive Sat 01-Jun-13 19:02:40

Hi Raspberry are you on the NHS then?

We had our bloods done a while before we got the official letter. We then went in for our first official appointment which was just our gynae talking us through what was going to happen and to give us rough dates (it was a bit of a waste of time if i'm honest)

We then went for an appointment for a baseline scan to check everything on my records was correct and told me to take the contraceptive pill on the first day of my period for 15 days (which finished yesterday)

I have a mock egg transfer to see if my body accepts it on Tuesday and then I start stimming with Gonal F for just over a week with a scan every other day until my eggs are cooked and ready to collect!

Its been a slow process up til now :-)

tametortie Sat 01-Jun-13 19:21:50

Welcome raspberry xxxx we are a nice bunch but we fucking swear a lot smile

RaspberrySnowCone Sat 01-Jun-13 19:36:58

Hi Wish, yep we are NHS for this round. We've had a letter today saying what we are entitled to (one round IVF/ICSI (or 2 IUI) and a year of frosties if we get any). The letter said to ring on first day of cycle for ultrasound and bloods to take place between CD2-5 and that DH needs to give a sperm sample and have bloods straight away. Perhaps I'm getting my hopes up that things are starting to move along then? We've had massive fuck ups with paperwork courtesy of funding people so have been delayed by nearly three months sad

Hi Tame, don't worry, a bit of fuckity fucking doesn't particularly rattle me. smile

wishuponapositive Sat 01-Jun-13 19:38:02

Some worse than others i'll have you fucking know for shit sake :-)

buzzybee123 Sat 01-Jun-13 19:39:18

tortie it could be that one has failed but other is trying???

raspberry welcome smile

Nokkie73 Sat 01-Jun-13 19:42:05

Hi rasp grin

Fucky fucky fuck fuck.

wishuponapositive Sat 01-Jun-13 19:49:16

Rasberry we were quite lucky because we were already having similar treatment, the lady that we were seeing knew what was expected so did the bloods and sperm straight away but I still needed to wait for the CD 2-5 for a specific test.

Once I'd had that test I needed to wait for the appointments to come through to meet the gynae etc which took a couple weeks.
By the time all that came through I has to wait for my next cycle to start the actual IVF process by down regging with the contraceptive pill.

Its just the waiting for AF to arrive for tests and pills etc. Once all that has been sorted you will be ready to go. I guess all clinics work differently but from the initial funding acceptance letter it was another month until everything started and then it was still only the pill!

Tuesday will be the official day of it starting which I've had to wait about 6 weeks for. I'm a really impatient person and all they keep telling me is 'its better to take it slow than to fuck it up'

With my hormones I just want to scream 'POKE ME NOOWWWW!'

Not sure they'd appreciate that though confused

buzzybee123 Sat 01-Jun-13 19:49:54

please add yourselves to the list

motor I'm 41, DH 39. Mmc at 12 weeks 2008 with a different partner, different life, still devastating. TTC since June 2011. Low AMH, high FSH, one blocked Fallopian tube. Give very low chance of success with natural conception or IVF, so going straight for donor IVF. Currently downregging on long protocol with egg transfer estimated to be around 24th June, all being well.

tortie TTC since Dec 2006
DH 33- 0% motility Me 31- AMH- 4.5 and mild endo and NK cells. booooo.
Beautiful daughter from previous relationship 2003
MMC May 2008 at 9 weeks- awful : (
Lap and dye x 2 with ablation.
Egg Sharing at CRM
~1 IVF EC on June 3rd 2011, 9 eggs, 4 for us, zero fertilisation for us and recipient. Gutted.
~2 ICSI EC 10th October 2011, 13 eggs, 6 for us, 5 fertilised. BFN.
Change of clinic to Nurture in Nottingham
3~ICSI EC 13th May 2013 13 eggs, 7 mature ,4 fertilised. ET 18/5- not quite blasties 27/5- BFP!!! then early MC

mejsut
1st ivf -egg share
currently down regging
pcos

resipsa Been TTC no.2 since Sept 11 (gawd, so much worse when you write it down). MMC March 12 (got BFP the week I went back to work after DC1 so should have known it was too good to be true). Nothing since. Failed short protocol IVF (after 3 embies put back) in May 13. Now seriously obsessed/depressed. Am 42. Where next? Thinking DE but DH not on board...

noks I have been clean now and off the booze for four months and three days. Oh, sorry, wrong group. Ttc for four and a half years. MC in July 2009. No luck since. Failed ivf in March 2013. Surprise bfp straight after ivf. 9+6 (or thereabouts - doctor thinks she may have over-measured by a couple of days). Am scared shitless. I have joined the ivf worriers board but for some reason don't think I quite belong there yet.

buzzy 40, Barry 39, TTC since April 2011, BFP 04/2011, MMC @ 6 weeks, BFP 09/2011 MMC @10 weeks, diagnosed with High NK cells. 5 rounds of SO, one with IUI. May 2013 DE IVF at Reprofit in Brno 2 good blastos put back with one in the freezer, BFP 05/13, unsure what is going on, taking drugs like a back street junkie, scan shows 1 sac and yolk

euro - natural IVF#2 starting mid June, EC probably late June.

nook Me - 3rd IVF, looooong protocol, currently on down regulation, egg collection should be late June. already considering alternatives to parenthood feeling super positive about this cycle!

RaspberrySnowCone Sat 01-Jun-13 19:52:13

Norks!! <<waves>> big fucky bollocks to you :D

RaspberrySnowCone Sat 01-Jun-13 19:55:35

I'm perhaps getting a bit over excited just yet then. Was hoping it would be quickish and DH raised an eyebrow cuz I said it would probably be sods law that it will clash with our summer hols but perhaps it wont. Would like to think I''l have some sort of progress by autumn though fingers crossed!

Nokkie73 Sat 01-Jun-13 20:05:32

rasp <<waves back>>. It must be nice to feel like you're doing something positive after months of fucking around. X

wishuponapositive Sat 01-Jun-13 20:27:45

If I'm honest it hasn't been that long but has seemed like a fucking life time!

Try and focus on something else and it'll fly by, my issue is that my holiday is over and i have nothing else to look forward to apart from getting up duff! sad

Sounds like you have something to look forward to already!

wishuponapositive Sat 01-Jun-13 20:47:44

I just read your last post raspberry and noticed you said you hope to have progress by autumn?

I think you'll be getting progress by July so thats very soon.

When is your Holiday? Where are you going?

RaspberrySnowCone Sat 01-Jun-13 21:05:29

Oh that's good! Holiday is 27 July for 8/9 days. Tbh nothing is booked yet so we have flexibility in that respect, it's definitely not the end if the world. Just want it done now, feels like its been an eternity.

RaspberrySnowCone Sat 01-Jun-13 21:06:23

We normally go to France, got a motor home so just drive off the boat and mooch around wherever we fancy smile

tametortie Sat 01-Jun-13 21:21:53

raspberry- im going to France and Switzerland on 27th July!!!

wishuponapositive Sat 01-Jun-13 21:26:02

Wow that sounds amazing, hopefully it will fit in nicely just after ET or before stimming so you're nice and relaxed and free of life's stresses.

I went to Portugal in April for 5 days to relax before it all kicked off but it has taken a little longer than thought so I'm all stressed again. Typical huh? smile

I'm having a positive day today but I'm known for my freak outs confused

RaspberrySnowCone Sat 01-Jun-13 21:31:33

Tametortie that will be awesome. Not been into Switzerland but have spent a couple of weeks in the alps in summer. Tis beautiful. Did quite a bit of mountain biking, was fab.

I am going to keep everything crossed that it works out well with FC stuff timing, would be good to keep the hols but after coming this far if we have to change then so be it!

tametortie Sat 01-Jun-13 21:40:43

I can't wait till my hols. We have a week near leuk in Switzerland then a week in burgundy with our bikes. I was hoping id be about 12 weeks pregnant but not to be. At least ill be able to have a bit of wine....

RaspberrySnowCone Sat 01-Jun-13 21:50:49

Mmmmmm nothing like French wine! Secretly that's why we keep going back, nothing to do with the beautiful scenery and laid back life, just the cheese and wine!

wishuponapositive Sun 02-Jun-13 12:36:54

Everyone is very quiet at the moment!

I hope we're all busy with positive things and not hiding in a corner smile

Nokkie73 Sun 02-Jun-13 12:55:24

I have just been thrown out of the house and told to go and get a coffee while DP 'cleans' the house. This usually involves him shoving everything into a cupboard and getting terribly stressed with the Hoover but I am not complaining. I am now in town having waited about a billion years for a coffee, in a very noisy Costa, surrounded by screaming kids and stressed adults. Still, at least I am not chained to a mop and bucket at home.

What is everyone up to ? Like wish said, everyone is VERY QUIET.

chocoloco1 Sun 02-Jun-13 13:20:58

I'm out in the garden fannying about! Also trying to soak up as much sun as poss before the dreaded return to work. knickynokkienew very impressed with this talk of DP cleaning, mine HATES hoovering with a passion, but in fairness he does do a lot of other stuff.

wishuponapositive Sun 02-Jun-13 13:22:45

Luck you Noks I wish my DP would chuck me out so he could clean. Instead he makes the house a complete shit hole to then moan about it and insist that we spend next saturday, from 8am - 12am completely gutting the house and cleaning everything you could possibly imagine!

I really do wish he would realise that if we did it as we went along we wouldn't need to spend our day off doing that shit! Will he listen? Nope!

I really do getting stressed about the bowl, plate, glass covered in smoothie and crisp packets left all over the front room table love him though!

Nokkie73 Sun 02-Jun-13 13:39:32

I know i shouldn't complain but when I get in, he looks all red faced and stressed, like he's going to have a heart attack. I think now may be the time for a talk about a 'cleaner' which, funnily enough, makes him all red faced and stressed, like he's going to have a heart attack.

Oh, and by the way, before you all think he's some kind of saint, he ain't. I cleared his bedside table earlier and had to pick chewing gum off a piece of paper and put socks that he blew his nose on into the wash basket (I know it to be snot and NOT man juice, btw). The wash basket and my DH haven't met, but it doesn't matter as luckily he has the fucking floor to deposit his dirty clothes on.

OMG, I now have given the impression that we live in squalor. We don't. Well, not really.

There is a child having one of those screaming 'I'm gong to be sick' tantrums. Perhaps the mother should get off her mobile phone and give him some attention. Just saying.

Right, I am now leaving the noisiest Costa in the world and going back home. Should I wind DP up straight away and do the dust test ? God, what a fucking bitch I am. wink

RaspberrySnowCone Sun 02-Jun-13 13:50:34

I'm mostly tied to the sofa feeling a bit grim. Not booze induced even sad sad I don't mind suffering on a Sunday if it was worth it but this appears to be a bug and I can't get out of the house to do anything. Gutted. and bored.

We have numerous conversations about cleaning in our house. We do also pay for a couple of hrs cleaning every week on a friday, just for the basics to be done so we can get home on Fridays and everything be nice. Works quite well and doesn't break the bank but it does take a bit of pressure off on a saturday morning when I'd normally be thinking 'shit I need to get up and clean all morning sad '

wishuponapositive Sun 02-Jun-13 13:51:35

It sounds exactly like our house. He has a lazy boy chair, which gets on my nerves because it causes my poor leg a bruise daily, but the most annoying this is the fact that he thinks its ok to put chewing gum on the table next to it while he eats his tea.... he then forgets its there and its left for days! I try to put my drink down and it falls on the floor because i put it on a lump of pissing chewing gum!

Oh and the washing basket! He's happy to fill it and then moans when he hasn't got any clothes left. To be fair I did agree to do all washing if he does the garden (I hate gardening with a passion) but he gets whole winter off at least!

Sorry I'll stop ranting now, I really must get my uni work done! Dissertation due in on Thursday and I also work full time smile

Fun fun! confused confused confused

RaspberrySnowCone Sun 02-Jun-13 14:11:31

I'm supposed to be studying to wish but I feel grim and can't concentrate so it's pretty much been a massive fail. What are you studying?

buzzybee123 Sun 02-Jun-13 14:18:38

my MIL trained Barry quite well, he is rather domesticated {knows to crap in the right place like the cat} he is also chief tea maker and dinner maker at the moment, dusting is a mystery to him but he and the hoover are on good terms, although now he is working away I do all the cleaning and have to make my own drinks shock just had lunch on the balcony and now off for a bit of shopping before I need to get on with a few things around the home,

wishuponapositive Sun 02-Jun-13 14:20:44

I've been like that too, but its getting to the point where I have no choice. I'm feeling better today though and very excitable for some reason!

I'm studying towards a Foundation Degree in Early Years and Education, I'm a supervisor in a nursery.

What are you studying?

wishuponapositive Sun 02-Jun-13 14:22:39

Buzzy, your life sounds glamorous compared to mine. A hub that cleans and makes tea, lunch on the balcony and shopping?

Very jealous

RaspberrySnowCone Sun 02-Jun-13 14:34:59

Business Degree. Boring as hell but will be finished October next year so just need to plod on. This module is sooooo frighteningly dull it blows my mind but the last module ever to do is marketing which I find interesting so that should be a goodun to finish on.

wishuponapositive Sun 02-Jun-13 14:54:39

From what you said it sounds like an Open University Course? I'm very good a procrastinating so I don't think I could manage a Open course haha. I need something or someone to bug me to actually do it!

I usually work from 8am-4pm then go to uni from 4pm- 8pm on a Monday but luckily my lectures finished a couple weeks ago! After 3 years of working full time, studying at uni and going through fertility treatment I can finally cross one off the list. I'm very excited!

What do you do for a job Raspberry?

Nokkie73 Sun 02-Jun-13 15:00:42

So I get home to him ranting about all the 'shit' cleaning equipment that i buy (ahem) and scrubbing the kitchen floor. When I ask what he's scrubbing he kitchen floor with, he says 'hand wash'. When I look a him incredulously his reasoning is that it has 'antibacterial stuff in it'. I shit you not.

Welcome to my world.

twinklestar2 Sun 02-Jun-13 15:18:29

That made me LOL Nokkie!

wishuponapositive Sun 02-Jun-13 15:21:57

Oh Noks that has made my day! Haha!

I hope you don't slip over!

RaspberrySnowCone Sun 02-Jun-13 15:32:57

Admin Wish-not very exciting but pays the bills!

Nokks that's hilarious. Bless him, there is a logic in there somewhere!

wishuponapositive Sun 02-Jun-13 15:48:01

My job isn't very exciting either, I wipe snotty noses and scrape shit out of pants all day only to be screamed at half the time smile

RaspberrySnowCone Sun 02-Jun-13 15:50:33

Haha, my job feels metaphorically similar some days!

buzzybee123 Sun 02-Jun-13 16:26:11

nokkie i laughed out loud at that one, maybe time to get a cleaner in wink

Nokkie73 Sun 02-Jun-13 16:32:46

Too fecking right it's time to get a cleaner in. I mean, I love him dearly, but he is a colossal idiot sometimes. The worrying thing is, to him, it was perfectly logical to clean the floor with hand wash, despite the fact that there was a cupboard full of floor cleaning products. The mind of a man is something to behold at times.

How are you feeling today buzz ?

Still got a troublesome bottom rasp ? You need to get wish over grin

buzzybee123 Sun 02-Jun-13 16:52:29

well some of my symptoms have come back, I feel exhausted but put that down to stress and drugs, I feel like I have been pregnant forever but i'm barely 6 weeks hmm its just like a nightmare right now, I've already put on so much weight but I'm too scared to stand on the scales,

Barry did used to wash the floor by hand until I introduced him to a mop, I don't let him iron, I just don't trust him with it grin

wish I could say the same about my job sometimes wink

EuroShaggleton Sun 02-Jun-13 18:02:04

And your floor is required to be antibacterial why exactly, noks? It's probably best not to ask, eh?

rasp I hope you are feeling better?

buzz hurrah for return of symptoms. I think the exhaustion is pregnancy, my love, mixed in with exhausting stress levels. Don't worry about the weight at this point. You have too much else going on. Just do what you need to to get through the next few weeks.. c

I've had a lovely day. We are clearly middle aged now, as we went for a walk around some National Trust gardens. And then we visited the parentals and looked at their pretty fleurs.

wishuponapositive Sun 02-Jun-13 18:44:41

You're all making me feel slight suicidal talking about lovely days out in the sun and summer holidays when I've been stuck in front of a computer all day!

Arses!

buzzybee123 Sun 02-Jun-13 19:03:46

euro it could all be in my head, I'm really going to try and hang on until the Monday but my moods are so up and down right now We enjoy a good old natural trust property too wink

wish shall I tip you over the edge with dinner made by Bazza and enjoyed out on the balcony wink

wishuponapositive Sun 02-Jun-13 19:16:42

Well Buzzy, you are just cruel looks for the razor

I've finished studying for the night so I am going to cook myself my tea, eat it sat in the mess my DP has created then soak in a baby oil bath.

Thats about as exciting as my life gets at the moment! wink

Karbea Sun 02-Jun-13 19:19:02

Hello!

Can I join? Day one for me today, had a blood test and scan and teaching sess today and will be injecting 450 of fostimon tonight, tomorrow I'm having a hysteroscopy and a cyst drained. I'm on the short protocol, so it'll all go very quickly!

Good luck everyone!

RaspberrySnowCone Sun 02-Jun-13 19:19:21

Wish I haven't done much else than sit on the sofa and sulk so we haven't all been out and about! Feeling resolutely miserable at a wasted weekend in every respect!

ExpatWifey Sun 02-Jun-13 19:31:48

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JuicyMelons Sun 02-Jun-13 19:58:56

What's occurring?

Fuck, have I missed my egg buddies. How are you all, darling girls? Thank you for being lovely (I've gone over the thread briefly but need to do a proper catch-up obvs). I have just got back literally half-an-hour ago from deepest darkest Hades Wales after a most surreal weekend. Th'usband 'whisked me away' in a tent to a place so far removed from civilisation I honestly expected to just drop off the end of the world at any minute. Did I tell you th'usband is a survival expert with a background in the SAS and a supreme knowledge of living off the land? No? That would be because he fucking is not. But that didn't stop him dragging us deep into a forest forty miles from anywhere. The next timme someone replies to a rhetorical question thus: 'Does a bear shit in't'woods?' I shall confidently reply: 'Dunno, but I fucking do' hmm

My period was due Thursday and we left for Wales on Thursday night with no sign of the fucker. Friday came and went....no period. Can you imagine the headfuckery? No phone signal, no pregnancy test, no shop for (seriously) twenty miles (we had dumped the car fifteen miles from the forest and walked the rest of the way to camp as part of the 'experince'). When I say that, by Saturday morning with no sign of AF, we were excitedly discussing baby names I am not exaggerating. I hadn't had a pessary in seven days so knew it wasn't progesterone levels holding back my period. We were so, so excited: we were one of those pre-IVF ironidiffs! God had chosen to flip the bird at science and technology and all our prayers had been answered.

My period turned up at 11pm, almost 72 hrs late sad I had no way of emailing the clinic to alert them and I didn't care. I couldn't believe the cruelty of it all, I was so, so fed-up. We packed up early this morning and hiked in silence to our car and as soon as we could I emailed the clinic. Thankfully it hasn't fucked-up the EC or ET dates; I've simply been sent an amended drug schedule and have one less Cetrotide to inject next week.

This episode has left me feeling pretty negative about our trip next week to Brno. The good stuff just doesn't happen to us and this weekend was so unbelievably typical of our luck that I am astonished that we were so taken in by the missing AF. Pathetic.

I really have missed you all. I will go back now and read your stories. Golly, I feel low sad xxx

chocoloco1 Sun 02-Jun-13 20:00:40

Welcome back karbea. We have karbea to thank for starting the original thread. Sounds like all systems go.

Feeling a bit guilty now as have done naff all housework today, just garden work - weeding beats hoovering any day!

buzzy is natural trust like national trust, but ruder? wink

EuroShaggleton Sun 02-Jun-13 20:04:38

Welcome back Karbea!

wish sorry for making you jealous. If it makes you feel any better, I spend Monday-Friday staring at a screen with my back to the window.

You're very close to EC, wifey! And then the active part of ttc is done. Then you just have to wait...

juicy that weekend sounds like my worst nightmare! I need an ensuite bathroom. I'm just built that way. You sound like you coped admirably! Sorry you missed out on the pre-IVF ironidiff, but you are heading for a real IVF diff - not long to go now. x

EuroShaggleton Sun 02-Jun-13 20:05:34

Oh god, choc. Can you imagine a nudist version of the National Trust? confused

chocoloco1 Sun 02-Jun-13 20:16:31

Gah! Just written a post to you juicy and was about to send it and it's gone! My fault, went upstairs as I was doing it so DH would still think I was doing the job I was meant to be doing while he made the sarnies for tomorrow - and you thought the national trust made you sound middle aged, euro, fuck, I sound boringsmile. Aaargh, the wrinkles and lard would be horrendous at the nudist version. The childish jokes about bushes etc. would be worth it though.

juice give me half an hour of swearing at the printer, and I'll be back to try and cheer you up x

buzzybee123 Sun 02-Jun-13 20:32:51

oooh expat its all systems go for you smile

karbea Welcome back I think I have seen your name on other threads

juicy tears are running down my face grin I have missed you, my husband has asked if I have asked you if your husband has been to Crewe to look at trains hmm

Don't worry about late AF's mine came 5 days early, they are used to this, once they have you on the protocol all will fall into place, so chin up chook, its hard when t plays with your mind shakes fist and bingo wings at the universe and shouts feck off if your're not going to help Clearly my mental state is questionable right now

choco I'm still scarred by the nudist beach in Brno hmm

chocoloco1 Sun 02-Jun-13 20:41:20

Right, joos, I've fucked the printer out of the window. Right, where was I? So glad you're back. We missed you you old trout smile Sorry to hear you're feeling crap, period hormones are never going to help with that though, eh? You've been through a lot, you're owed some good luck now and we will all be rooting for you. Crap about AF too, I'd have got my hopes up too, it's natural and normal me old mucker. Camping and periods don't mix either! DH has recently forgotten how much we he hates camping and we have 2 trips planned in the next 6 weeks confused

twinklestar2 Sun 02-Jun-13 20:48:57

Welcome karbea! Have seen your name around these boards, hope you're not on here much longer smile

Yay juicys back!! Sorry about af sad I've done that too: got excited, thought of baby names and how I'm going to announce my pregnancy and then the old bitch arrives to shatter all my dreams. You're so close now, don't give up hope.

Ive been googling and freaking myself out. Why do we do it hey?

Karbea Sun 02-Jun-13 20:56:18

Juicy mine was 3 days late this month, I even let myself after all these months think omg we've actually done it, but no!

mejust Sun 02-Jun-13 22:19:10

hey juicy your back was wondering how you were,well iv been to wales a few times but never stuck in the middle of a forest.

hello rasp and karb and everyone else.

I see you have all had a cleaning day or rather the hubbys have.

Fabuluce Sun 02-Jun-13 22:22:08

Hello all - somewhat late to this game but I'm due to start my second round of ivf in July and could do with the support of people who really know what we're all going through this time. Think I may be allergic to the baby dust bollox tho - can I come play with you ladies?

EuroShaggleton Sun 02-Jun-13 22:36:15

You'll find no baby dust in these parts fab. Would you like to share a potted ttc history by way of introduction (no pressure if you would prefer to ease yourself in first!).

buzzybee123 Sun 02-Jun-13 22:44:49

baby dust makes my skin crawl hmm welcome fab

I'm going to wag tomorrow as I can't face people right now hmm

Fabuluce Mon 03-Jun-13 07:35:32

Apols for delayed response - phone decided to crap out on me so I gave up and attempted sleep instead.

Potted history: me 40 years - DH 34 smile met and married whirlwind-like in 2010 and TTC for 2 years, failed miserably. 1st round of ivf in jan success! Heartbeat at 7weeks, Missed miscarriage at 8weeks, erpc at 10 weeks. Starting again now - injections start on 8th July.

Am working in a pretty pressurised environment and hate my job but feel trapped there for the time being as the preference is very much to keep the money and mat leave as long as poss blah blah. Only good thing about the job is that they have been supportive over ivf and time off - now if I could just get them to be supportive over the work I do too...

I know it's a cliche to say when you want something you then notice that others have it but I know at least 5 other women who are expecting babies around the time that my little one was due and despite my protestations of - tsk that's fine - why would that bother me? Have been surprised by the slap in the face that it can be. Bodies are amazing at how these hormones can make you into a dribbling mess aren't they!

Oh dear I suspect that wasn't too potted a history - hope I haven't dribbled in for too long!

MotorcycleMama Mon 03-Jun-13 07:38:09

Welcome RSC. I'm with you in the French wine- look forward to swapping recommendations! That said, I managed one glass on Saturday and a couple of sips of cider yesterday - just don't feel like it at the moment which is very unlike me.

Fab and karbea. Nice of you to join us, and best of luck with it all.

Thanks expat, My UTI has cleared with antibiotics, and now I am just hoping that it won't interfere with treatment. Wow EC in a couple of days! Good luck with that.

Welcome back juicy! Sorry your feeling low - not surprising given the hormonal headfuck of IVF. Glad that EC and ET dates remain unchanged - when are they? Mine are 24th and then 27th - 29th. Not long now! Sounds like you've got a really supportive husband which is great. Mine is back on board and being lovely again, despite my regular meltdowns.

buzz you sound a bit more positive - I hope so! What a roller coaster.

Hi to choco euro twinkle mejust wish resipsa tame and anybody else I may have missed.

MotorcycleMama Mon 03-Jun-13 07:52:10

fab hello, we cross-posted. So sorry to hear about your mmc earlier this year. You'll see that many of us on here have had that same experience, myself included, so you have full sympathy and understanding. Glad you are giving it another go - you start injections around the time I will be having the official testing date to see if my DE IVF has worked. At the moment, it is very hard to see past that date at all!

Fabuluce Mon 03-Jun-13 08:57:15

Wow - good luck - will be thinking of you smile

JuicyMelons Mon 03-Jun-13 09:11:13

Blimey, you are all so lovely, and a very special thanks to those of you who pm'd me your kind words thanks I have decided to Not Give A Flying Fuck about pious lurkers and just get on with the job of being me (with a few concessions, including addressing my Chinese chippy man in a PC way. Maybe that was a little 'chink' in my armour wink)

LifeBeginsAtTortie, you lovely, funny lady: how the hell are you? Is it your scan or blood test today? I'm desperately hoping for surprising, great news for you. I agree you sound a teeny weeny bit more buoyant, Buzzy. I suspect that may because a symptom or two have returned? Good for you skiving work - should be The Law during post-IVF menkulling.

Resipsa, let me get this straight: Did you go through an IVF cycle in May alone?? I'm so sorry it didn't work out, what are you doing differently this time? Don't be a stranger x

[waves to *choco, NookNook, expat, euro, mejust, fish, twink]

Hello to Raspberry and welcome. May I ask why it took you so long to get to IVF? Are you afraid? Don't be, just see it as a real privilege and the ultimate chance to get your baby. Don't let stupid & misguided thoughts about it being 'unnatural' put you off. Sorry if this sounds patronising but I really feel for those who, like Twink, are struggling with the whole concept of AC. I think it's fucking brilliant!!

Welcome, too, Fabuluce. Sorry you miscarried, they are evil, those silent ones. I felt like a thief had burgled my womb at eleven weeks and stolen my baby sad What are you doing differently this time around?

Feel tons better this morning and, you know what? 'Tis not the drugs' fault that I had a wobble; the drugs are having no impact whatsoever (I have not needed to downreg and so far have only had to 'suffer' HRT, pessaries and now oestrogens). I'm just fighting the demons in my head, the ones that are telling me that this isn't going to work. How the fuck do they know that? They don't...so I shall ignore the twats smile

JuicyMelons Mon 03-Jun-13 09:13:52

Motor, darling, what are your EC/ET dates? Someone upthread asked me for mine: EC is 12th June and ET is 17th. I will follow Buzzy's example and test six days later (6dp5dt).

JuicyMelons Mon 03-Jun-13 09:21:11

[waves to Gnokkie] See what I did there?

I have a post for you here from the ReproGenesis forum I am on (that's my clinic in Czech Republic for the newbies. I am flying out there on Sunday for donor egg IVF. I'm gonna bring me home some babies <firm>). It made me so sad for the poor lady and terrified this could happen to us:

"Hello Ladies - I'm new to the buddy forum, but feel like I know you a bit as I've been reading the thread whilst cycling at Reprogenesis.

I wanted to ask for your thoughts. We are due to complete our ET tomorrow morning, but over the last 4 days the reports have not been encouraging. We have a proven 25 year old donor who produced 7 eggs, 6 fertilised. Today we only have 3 left. 1 is good and at morula, the other 2 have not really progressed and remain at 9 & 12 cells. I am not sure how these will be blasts by tomorrow. I'm very disappointed as this is less than I've managed with my old eggs.

Does anyone know how the guarantee at RG works? I'm guessing the chances of getting frosties is more of a marketing trick than something they expect to achieve. Are the normal figures? I am beginning to wonder if we should have gone double donor (didn't know this was an option until reading this thread). Veronika [one of the coordinators at the clinic] has gone very quiet since I asked this question."

JuicyMelons Mon 03-Jun-13 09:22:09

Sorry, my last post was not solely for Nokkie, it's for all of you, obvs!

mejust Mon 03-Jun-13 09:29:32

juicy not long for you then a couple of weeks till ET, i wish you wouldnt get down thinking it will never happen for you this time next month you may be pregnant.

I dont know why but even though iv started it all seems so far away at the moment and im still scared about next lot of drugs and and EC ,im not good with medical stuff.hubby now seems to think its normal to jab me everyday and hes shit scared of needles himself.
I suppose its normal to have ups and downs.

hello to everyone

buzzybee123 Mon 03-Jun-13 11:01:17

juicy glad you are feeling better today, wow not long now till you go smile

I think some people put too much belief into what the clinics 'promise' this is why I did go for the so called 'proven' I think some people forget that the egg donor might be 'proven' but the husbands sperm isn't, I don't know how any clinic can 'promise' frosties. You can have both egg and sperm donors but again I think your chances improve but there is no guarantee. I suppose its how the male feels about it all as well

Ha I cracked and tested early on the Friday, I was going to try and hang on until the Sunday, that is the earliest I have tested

tortie thinking of you today

fab so sorry to hear about your mmc

today I feel calm, maybe because I am not at work but also because the digi has gone up 3+ again and I feel a bit sick, this feels like eternity, my clothes don't fit and i'm only 6 weeks sad I just hope this calmness last a bit hmm

Karbea Mon 03-Jun-13 11:16:16

Morning all,

Back from my hyst and cyst, feeling a bit groggy and odd iykwim. Just need to wait for my call now to hear what drugs I need to take tonight.

Buzzy good to hear you are feeling better today. Have you been for scans yet?

Me just it seems to start slowly and then it goes really quickly I found. My DH found it very hard, he hated giving me any injections. Now I do them all myself except the bum ones which I can't do, hopefully I won't need them this time, but guess I will !!

Juicy I think that's very odd of the clinic to guarantee anything, and very misleading. At the end of the day, everything can be fine, but at the end of the day a certain amount of it, is down to luck :/
Doesn't your clinic tell you when to test?

Hello everyone else!

JuicyMelons Mon 03-Jun-13 11:27:02

Just got this from the worried lady. I hope you all don't mind my posting this stuff occasionally; I think it's useful for anyone doing DE, no?

"Just back from RG. As if some miracle happened overnight.... Ended up with 1 x hatching blast and 1 x expanded blast. The 3rd embryo perished overnight so nothing to freeze. Nonetheless I am very happy to have the 2 blasts. Both were classified as AA, which was more than we could have hoped for, given yesterday's news. They also gave us a DVD of the monitored embryos, a pebble with a painted flower for good luck and a summary of all of the embryos' progress.

The ET was an interesting event and performed to a CD of Barry White. Not sure if the Czech's understood the connotations of Barry White and the art of loving, but nice touch and amused DH no end

Transfer room was spotless and even has a sticky dust mat as you walk through the door, which we've never had in the UK. Transfer was also a little different to the UK. Far more visual and intrusive than half bladder and ultrasound. Apart from a little discomfort I actually thought the embryos would be better located using this method than the half bladder method. At the end of the transfer I was left for 15 minutes on the bed with more Barry White and later received a sharp jab of pregnyl (HCG). I've never had this before in my previous IVFs, so all good. A little extra HCG to fool the body into pregnancy mode is fine by me. Whatever it takes to make them stick."

JuicyMelons Mon 03-Jun-13 11:31:03

Karbea, one of the ladies on the ReproGenesis cycling forum emailed the clinic and asked what would happen if, in fact, two blastos were not remaining on day 5. Here was the answer:

"Let me ensure you that this situation has never happened. Our donors are young and healthy and they have always enough follicles after their stimulation to be retrieved and after the fertilization there is always a sufficient number of embryos from which we can choose the best quality ones. However, IF this improbable situation really happened, then we would solve it individually with you in the form of some compensation as we really guarantee these two embryos for transfer."

The clinic has been established three years now and this has never happened. I tend to believe them.

JuicyMelons Mon 03-Jun-13 11:32:21

Buzzy, I am so happy you're feeling rough! The digi increasing again must be a massive thrill! Hurray!! thanks

Will ask th'usband about Crewe tonight hmm

Karbea Mon 03-Jun-13 11:39:54

Juicy glad it all worked out for the lady in the end smile

JuicyMelons Mon 03-Jun-13 11:43:12

Fucking hell! Prague is flooded and we're flying there on Sunday! Rail transport is down and everything. Good. I hope we drown so we can fuck this nonsense off once and for all..sad

buzzybee123 Mon 03-Jun-13 12:44:52

juicy with all these things happening its bound to bloody work for you, just think of the amazing story you are going to be able to tell your baby in years to come smile

it would have been interesting to see what they would have said had it not worked hmm I'm gad she had something put back, they played music for us, not Barry White though grin , Barry had to wear over the shoe booties they show you it happening on the screen then they leave you alone for 15 minutes the you are free to go.

kareba rest up, my backside has its own postcode so jabbing myself is actually possible hmm I had one scan last Friday that freaked me out, EPAU have called, they have been very good to me so far, i shall call them back soon to rearrange another scan for next Monday.

I have booked a scan with Shehata for the 19th as I will hopefully be about 8w2d and I need him to decide on what to do with the meds, I'm planning on this being my last trip to see him.

buzzybee123 Mon 03-Jun-13 12:46:47

are you able to fly into Vienna or Bratislava instead

Fabuluce Mon 03-Jun-13 12:47:32

Juicy I'll keep everything crossed for you in Prague - I'm amazed they can guarantee such a thing but if it all works out then big whoop for you and fingers crossed for the 2ww...then the next wait etc etc!

I'm not sure what to do differently with this cycle - it all worked like clockwork last time, I went to every deadline, produced 17follicles, 12 fertilised, 3 implanted at day 3, 3 others that were potentials didn't make it to frosty stage. Foetus all doing well then bam, as you say, the thieves came in the night and had a rummage in my belly damn them!! Will concentrate on boosting my protein in take to attempt more follicle production - does anyone have any advice on that? There's only so much chicken and chickpeas a girl can eat!! My clinic provides 2 counselling sessi

Fabuluce Mon 03-Jun-13 12:48:42

Dammit phone!! My clinic provides 2 counselling sessions as part of the package so I think I might have to utilise them as the first time I was super positive but this time round not so much sad

NookNook Mon 03-Jun-13 15:34:19

Juicy!!! So good to have you back.

Hello everyone and welcome (back?) Kareba and welcome Fab

Fab I saw a nutrionist at Zita West and she recommended upping my protein loads. I have some information at home which I'll post later - it might be of interest. One thing she did recommend to use was 'Whey to go' its a powder that you make into a shake and has loads of protein and other stuff. I'm actually about to buy some. Has anyone else tried it? I have a feeling it could be rank....

JuicyMelons Mon 03-Jun-13 16:30:37

Fab, with so many eggs fertilised why didn't your embryologist try to take some of them to day-5 blastos? I take it none were left for the freezer? You must have been gutted after a 17-egg haul sad Tell us about your DH's sperm...

Buzzy, I'm going to have to think of summat quick sharp. There was a reason we didn't go for Vienna in the first place and I can't think what it was. I'll wait for th'usband to get home from work and then cry. A lot.

buzzybee123 Mon 03-Jun-13 16:46:02

I think the flooding is pretty wide spread over the region according to some of the FF ladies

JuicyMelons Mon 03-Jun-13 16:57:07

What should I do, Buzzy? I don't know where to start. Should I email the clinic? Or should I wait a couple of days until a clean-up is underway? I would imagine the clinic is absolutely inundated with worried calls.

buzzybee123 Mon 03-Jun-13 17:03:50

best to call them and see what they suggest, are you able to fly into Brno, maybe check with Bratislava see if you can fly into there

JuicyMelons Mon 03-Jun-13 18:13:50

One of the FF girls is flying to Prague tonight and hiring a car to Brno for her FET tomorrow hmm

JuicyMelons Mon 03-Jun-13 18:18:20

Bratislava and Vienna are gearing up for the bastard Danube to burst its banks. Anyone got a rubber dinghy? Thank fuck I swim like a fish hmm

JuicyMelons Mon 03-Jun-13 18:19:47

...but at least the gorillas and tigers from Prague Zoo have been transported to higher ground hmm

buzzybee123 Mon 03-Jun-13 18:29:35

yes the ferry might be the way to go, what about flights into Brno

buzzybee123 Mon 03-Jun-13 18:29:49

hope you have travel insurance

MotorcycleMama Mon 03-Jun-13 19:15:05

Juicy the person up-thread who asked you your dates was me.
You're just ahead of me - my EC is scheduled for 24th June, with ET anytime between 27th - 29th.
I think that mejust and nook have similar dates.
We should get these listed, ladies, because I for one am finding it hard to keep up with what's happening to who when!

tametortie Mon 03-Jun-13 19:18:49

Joosysqueezymelons WTF???!!!!!!! I am so glad to see you back but I am not glad to see you so stressed. What a nightmare. First off- the late period. Mine is late everytime I downreg. Its a fucking nightmare, I tell thee. I am beyond hoping now but I now that you were an instadiffer last year so you still have 'the hope' I'm sorry it turned up BUT onwards and upwards...

As for the flood, I am pissed off for you. Hope you get it sorted. [FFprayingiconandPMA icon] [andthebaseballbatone]

Your clinic sounds ace- I think if they are using proven donors they must be quite confident to guarantee so many blastocysts. Good eggs can overcome poor sperm so they are really relying on those eggs to get the embryo onto blastie.

Kerbera fab Hello smile welcome. I'm fairly new to this thread but am an old time TTC'er (6 years- dont judge me!) I love you both already and I want you to stay x

buzzy I am glad you have symptoms back grin I'm really really sorry if I dragged you down a bit the other day when I was being so pessimistic. Its just my coping strategy. You are going to be FINE xxxx

I have had the 2nd blood test today. My friend was not very hopeful sad He is such a lovely guy but really laid it on the line to me. We have a sperm DNA problem and we need to do the test before we have another cycle. I knew anyway- I had mentioned it on here- but it knocked the wind out of my sails when he said it. Then perhaps we will look at the greek protocol with antioxidants and antibiotics. We are screwed though, I know we are. We have lost 9 embryos over 2 cycles and had one miscarriage and failed fertilisation. The sperm aint up to the job. I'm gonna put my head in t'oven....

Waves to everyone else!! smile

respisa when do you cycle again my love??

nooknook hello xxx

nokkie whats occuring??

motorcycle hello xxx

justme hello xxx

wish hello xxx

(can you tell that I have lost track of where everyone is????????!!!!!!) WE NEED ANOTHER LIST.....with updates and stuff.......

buzzybee123 Mon 03-Jun-13 19:29:56

juicy ryanair still have flights for Sunday straight to Brno for around £81

buzzybee123 Mon 03-Jun-13 19:37:47

tortie I am sorry, yes its best to get the sperm looked at if you can, does your clinic do the dna fragmentation testing etc. Would you consider sperm donor.

I should apologise for being such a crazy mother trucker on drugs and for getting all hysterical like some wild animal caught in a trap hmm not my finest hour but I feel it is not over with yet blush

tametortie Mon 03-Jun-13 19:46:29

The only place I can find that does the test is TDL in London. Its £430. But I think we would be mad not to do it and risk more miscarriages and failed cycles. I thought we were just unlucky to not get to blastocyst- it never occured to me that we may be able to pinpoint a reason.

Here is a link if anyone else is interested...

http://www.tdlpathology.com/services-divisions/tdl-andrology/sperm-dna-fragmentation

We tick 6 out of the 9 indications..... FML.

buzzy We are all here to listen and offer comfort. You are ok xxxx

I'm going to attempt a list, if its shit then please help me.....

tametortie Mon 03-Jun-13 19:47:43

Oh and buzzy we have talked about donors. On both our parts. We are both open to the possibility. It would be sad but we will consider it.

buzzybee123 Mon 03-Jun-13 19:52:05

start with this list tortie

motor I'm 41, DH 39. Mmc at 12 weeks 2008 with a different partner, different life, still devastating. TTC since June 2011. Low AMH, high FSH, one blocked Fallopian tube. Give very low chance of success with natural conception or IVF, so going straight for donor IVF. Currently downregging on long protocol with egg transfer estimated to be around 24th June, all being well.

tortie TTC since Dec 2006
DH 33- 0% motility Me 31- AMH- 4.5 and mild endo and NK cells. booooo.
Beautiful daughter from previous relationship 2003
MMC May 2008 at 9 weeks- awful : (
Lap and dye x 2 with ablation.
Egg Sharing at CRM
~1 IVF EC on June 3rd 2011, 9 eggs, 4 for us, zero fertilisation for us and recipient. Gutted.
~2 ICSI EC 10th October 2011, 13 eggs, 6 for us, 5 fertilised. BFN.
Change of clinic to Nurture in Nottingham
3~ICSI EC 13th May 2013 13 eggs, 7 mature ,4 fertilised. ET 18/5- not quite blasties 27/5- BFP!!! then early MC

mejsut
1st ivf -egg share
currently down regging
pcos

resipsa Been TTC no.2 since Sept 11 (gawd, so much worse when you write it down). MMC March 12 (got BFP the week I went back to work after DC1 so should have known it was too good to be true). Nothing since. Failed short protocol IVF (after 3 embies put back) in May 13. Now seriously obsessed/depressed. Am 42. Where next? Thinking DE but DH not on board...

noks I have been clean now and off the booze for four months and three days. Oh, sorry, wrong group. Ttc for four and a half years. MC in July 2009. No luck since. Failed ivf in March 2013. Surprise bfp straight after ivf. 9+6 (or thereabouts - doctor thinks she may have over-measured by a couple of days). Am scared shitless. I have joined the ivf worriers board but for some reason don't think I quite belong there yet.

buzzy 40, Barry 39, TTC since April 2011, BFP 04/2011, MMC @ 6 weeks, BFP 09/2011 MMC @10 weeks, diagnosed with High NK cells. 5 rounds of SO, one with IUI. May 2013 DE IVF at Reprofit in Brno 2 good blastos put back with one in the freezer, BFP 05/13, unsure what is going on, taking drugs like a back street junkie, scan shows 1 sac and yolk

euro - natural IVF#2 starting mid June, EC probably late June.

nook Me - 3rd IVF, looooong protocol, currently on down regulation, egg collection should be late June. already considering alternatives to parenthood feeling super positive about this cycle!

buzzybee123 Mon 03-Jun-13 19:54:33

I don'r even know what half those things on the list for dna frag are blush shall look them up

tametortie Mon 03-Jun-13 20:13:36

waiting to cycle

Euro natural IVF starting mid june, EC probably late June

Tametortie MC from 3rd cycle sad Cycle#4 August after more tests and healthy living.

Respisa BFN from cycle#1 May 13- considering options.

Raspberry waiting to start cycle #1

Fabuluce IVF#2 starting injections 8th July

currently cycling

Juicy Off to Brno for DE IVF!!

mejust cycle#1 egg share- currently down regging.

Nooknook cycle#3- currently down reg, EC late June?

motorcyclemama cycle#1 DE IVF. Currently down regging, ET around 24th June.

Karbea Short protocol, currently stimming.

Success!!!!

Buzzy Pregnant after DE IVF. Currently 6 weeks smile

Nokkie Surprise BFP after IVF#1. Currently 10 weeks smile

Guys! Guys! Guys! What do you think???? Buzzy, I have used your list and just condensed it- hope thats ok!! xxxx

I cant find details for twinks, choco and wish and anyone else I may have missed- sorry!!! Just add on and hopefully we can see who is where in the whole process.

If you think its shit just have a fiddle. Then sort the list out wink

tametortie Mon 03-Jun-13 20:15:36

buzzy it looks a bit of a science doesnt it??? Apparently, if the level is too high, they wont attempt to cycle with your own sperm- they will only cycle with donor sad

twinklestar2 Mon 03-Jun-13 20:30:06

Hi all,

I'm going to the clinic tomorrow to kick off the process so will add to the list after the appt tomorrow.

Me and OH are 34, TTC first baby since Aug 2011.

buzzybee123 Mon 03-Jun-13 20:56:26

tortie Barry doesn't really have anything on that list besides advanced age, he is 39 hmm but his last SA SAID 99.5% of his sperm were crap and lazy hmm not that we will cycle again but I would consder it otherwise, we never discussed donor sperm but as he had no prob with DE and adoption I don't think it would have been a big issue

great list by the way,

juicy hope you get things sorted, Prague didn't look too bad but I suppose it depends on what happens over the next few days

tametortie Mon 03-Jun-13 21:07:23

buzzy thats good- Barry managed to make your little bean despite crap sperm so cant be all bad!! smile My DH is coming out with a high count, no moving sperm and around 4% morphology. We make lovely little embies up to day 3, then they start arresting, slowing and we havent made a blastocyst yet. He is only 33, dead fit, doesnt smoke, drinks minimally and has no history of mumps, variocele etc. Its not fair really but we need to look further into this because we could be flogging a dead horse by keep cycling when we dont really know what the issue with the slow embryos is.

EuroShaggleton Mon 03-Jun-13 21:21:12

fab we have pretty similar stories - we've been trying since 2010 too, and I did IVF#1 in Jan, found out I was pregnant in Feb and miscarried in March at 8 weeks. We're heading for round 2 in June/July.

Sorry about the flood juice. What an awful thing to happen. I hope everything will be ok for you.

buzz lovely, you have nothing to apologise for. This is a tortuous journey for all of us.

Nice list work, ladies. It's great to be able to keep track of folks.

tametortie Mon 03-Jun-13 21:24:30

If there is anything I have wrong on the list at all, feel free to edit. I just tried to get a general jist from buzzys ace list so its easy to track at a glance x

buzzybee123 Mon 03-Jun-13 21:24:39

Barry was

Total motility 14% lowest limits 40%
Progressive mobility 3% 32%
Normal Morphology .5% 4%

did you have ICSI ??

ExpatWifey Mon 03-Jun-13 21:28:06

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tametortie Mon 03-Jun-13 21:31:07

expat, I say just inject it and dont worry. If you have had a good dose you should be able to poas tomorrow and get a good dark line. A few drops won't matter.

I work in pharmacy- there is always overage in a syringe. Up to 10% sometimes x dont worry.

And add yourself to the list!!

buzzybee123 Mon 03-Jun-13 21:32:39

a few drop won't make a difference, this happens with all meds

tametortie Mon 03-Jun-13 21:32:43

Buzzy- we had icsi but icsi doesn't overcome DNA issues. The sperm can look normal, its the DNA thats fucked. Makes it really hard to pick good ones.

We are screwed if this comes back bad =(

buzzybee123 Mon 03-Jun-13 21:51:32

makes sense

JuicyMelons Mon 03-Jun-13 22:06:39

Right, I've decided to turn the engine off, get the pipe out of the exhaust and get out of the garage. No point worrying about what we can't control, eh? Fuck the weather...I'm going to Brno to get my baby smile

Now...where are those fucking arm bands? grin

JuicyMelons Mon 03-Jun-13 22:15:48

Tortie, you are so very tenacious. Your story is exactly(ish) the same as my 'friend' from FF who has had own-egg IVF umpteen times and then twice at Cyprus with donor eggs. She finally went to ReproG and got BFN so the clinic told her they suspected her husband's sperm was fragmented. They did the test and it came back 32% fragmented when the upper linit they would consider for using his sperm for IVF was 30%. She is having one last shot at IVF at ReproG next week using donor egg and donor sperm. She is so excited because at long last she has surrendered to the fact that her DH has been the problem all along.

Buzzy, thank you so much for finding out that flight info, really thoughtful of you. DH is like me: we resolutely refuse to dwell on stuff that's really out of our hands. We are also very limited financially after all this and so cancelling and re-booking flights (plus you can only fly to Brno from Stansted - fecking t'other end of the country) is out of the question. We'll get there smile

Sorry not to name check but I'm so very tired tonight. I'm thinking of all of you struggling with the drugs/injections. Deep breath....this, too, will pass X

P.s Buzzy, I haven't sorted insurance out yet blush

tametortie Mon 03-Jun-13 22:26:54

Juicy- im glad we are looking into this now before we spend lots more money on oe and de cycles. I will be mega suprised if this came back anywhere near ok. The 30% limit shocks me. DH is frantically researching what dose vit e to take....

buzzybee123 Mon 03-Jun-13 22:27:27

you can get IVF insurance, might be worth looking into if the clinic won't refund for any reason you can't get there, I think it was £95 you don't want to lose out

tametortie Mon 03-Jun-13 22:28:02

Juicy- you are right, you can't control the weather. Chill. Get your head out t'oven.

It won't always be dark at 6 xxx

Fabuluce Mon 03-Jun-13 22:29:19

juicy I was really hoping that they would go to blasto but unfortunately they just didn't have enough if the strong stuff in em!

DH little fellas are very much like him!! Apols for my lack if specifics here but for some reason i leave him to remember his stuff and me to remember my bits! On his first test he had something like 4times the average volume and twice the average quality but motility was a bit of an issue as they were all out to party and got a little bit lost along the way! All in all tho the first two outweighed the downside of the last. On d day though it was a different picture and pure volume seemed a bit of an issue - performers nerves methinks! They did offer Icsi but we had decided beforehand that it wasn't the route for us and we thought we'd done pretty well considering!

Nook We are doing ivf with zita west so have had the nutrition advice too - I didn't try the whey thing before but might give it a go this time - it's bound to taste vile isn't it!

Fabuluce Mon 03-Jun-13 22:46:19

euro good to hear you are in similar dates - what protocol are you on?

juicy deep breaths smile I'm in the 'think of the amazing stories you'll have to tell WHEN in it all works out well' camp!

MotorcycleMama Mon 03-Jun-13 22:57:58

Thanks very much tame for your summary and list - it is really hard to keep up with everybody!

JuicyMelons Mon 03-Jun-13 23:11:15

My FF 'friend' (who is having FET tomorrow) has just arrived at Prague airport with no delays and no sign of flooding and no rain. Hurrah!

Tortie, would your DH be okay with donor sperm? I'd leave my husband if he got all precious about it <firm>

JuicyMelons Mon 03-Jun-13 23:13:05

Yeah, TortsAmazeballs, your succinct list was simply spiffing. Well done, old girl!

wishuponapositive Mon 03-Jun-13 23:21:26

Ok... For the list....

Me, 27 PCOS tubes clear
DP 30 - seemingly normal sperm, shape a little abnormal
TTC 4 years, started on chlomid 50mg, 100mg then 150mg but nothing
Moved to injectables (Gonal F) to stim, got 1 follie after some work but nothing
Recommended to move into IVF with ICSI

IVF #1 - Mock ET tomorrow then start stimming Wednesday on Gonal F, estimated EC17 June

smile

buzzybee123 Tue 04-Jun-13 07:25:44

I'm spotting again sad

tametortie Tue 04-Jun-13 07:37:13

Oh no buzzy sad

Can your epu scan you again? If you are spotting they really need to have a look and check all is ok.

Are you still using the gestone?

Hand holding here xxxx

buzzybee123 Tue 04-Jun-13 07:51:45

thanks tortie i'm hoping its the cyst thing in my cervix but I doubt it somehow, i'll see what they say

tametortie Tue 04-Jun-13 08:00:59

Contact them, cry and insist. You can't be left to worry and stress. Let us know xxxxx

EuroShaggleton Tue 04-Jun-13 08:02:53

Fab, we're doing natural ivf following a bad experience with downregging on our Nhs cycle last year (I never got to stimming-we quit as I felt so awful). it means we will only ever get a maximum of one egg and one embie but that's a price worth paying to avoid feeling like a complete mentalist.

Hugs buzz. Lots of women bleed. You will be fine. X

buzzybee123 Tue 04-Jun-13 08:29:59

its bleeding cramping and loss of symptoms sad sadly as i'm a frequent flyer with EPAU

tametortie Tue 04-Jun-13 09:02:23

Is it light? Red? Brown?

buzzybee123 Tue 04-Jun-13 09:26:41

pinkish brown they are so nice to me here at epau

JuicyMelons Tue 04-Jun-13 09:55:16

Oh, no, Buzzy! Are you at EPU now? Praying your little bean is okay xx

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tametortie Tue 04-Jun-13 10:42:36

Expat- no worries. Those ovitrelle worry me- bit of a non event isnt it?? If you are unsure, poas today and it should show up. DH is looking into the test today. We are hoping it will give us answers. Im not having another cycle till we know the sperm is ok.

Buzzy- are you at epu now?? Hope you are ok and getting sorted. You must be so worried. We are all praying for you xxxxx

Karbea Tue 04-Jun-13 11:36:28

Hello,

I'm back from blood test and scan this morning (stim day 3). All looks good, 6 follicles one side, 5 the other, but early days so they could slip back, I only managed 8 eggs last time so fingers crossed. I think last time I started with more then had less, but the dr said that there are defo more this time.

Glad the rain hasn't hindered you!

Hello everyone!

buzzybee123 Tue 04-Jun-13 12:26:56

hey ladies I had a scan, its measuring a little small but there was a heartbeat so now have to wait till next week for another scan

Fabuluce Tue 04-Jun-13 12:52:16

How are you doing Buzzy? Any further news? Hoping that no news is good news and keeping everything crossed for you.

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tametortie Tue 04-Jun-13 13:19:02

Good news buzz. Get your feet up and lets all keep praying xxxx

buzzybee123 Tue 04-Jun-13 13:53:00

all sonographers have trouble finding things inside i'm usually full of gas and one of my ovaries is always hiding and my bowels always want to be in the picture i'll keep holding onto the idea that it is my wonky womble for now, thank you ladies

juicy its looking alright in Prague, the levels are receding now

JuicyMelons Tue 04-Jun-13 14:35:02

[comes up for air and removes snorkel] Just in the bath practising my underwater breathing but there's very little room for these flippers...

Buzzy, I think I shall die of a heart attack on your behalf before I drown in Prague. What a relief to know everything is okay and what a thrill to see a heartbeat! You are so privileged at this early stage, no? Lovely news thanks

Tortie, yes, the sperm is the answer for you & DH, no doubt about it. I actually feel envious of my FF 'friend' who's going for double donors next week. She's guaranteed frosties aswell as two blastos at transfer because of the bionic super-duper eggs & spaff she's getting. How lovely to not have to worry about your own or your husband's issues <dreamy face>

Expat, remind me when EC is predicted for you. Is it next Wednesday? Very excited for you stimmers.

*Choco, resipsa, fish, mejust, euro, nooknook, nokkie, twinkle*: how the blazes are you? smile Come on..stop lurking and working and come and chat...

Still no side effects from the drugs I'm on. Surely a combination of prednisolone and oestrogens should have me lurking on cliff edges by now?

buzzybee123 Tue 04-Jun-13 15:09:30

what does is the pred, I didn't have any reaction to the hydroxy or progynova, I'm not if it is a privileged, its more because I have a history that they scan me so early

I hate to say but de and ds doesn't guarantee you a baby, I know a lady who had the works at Serum and I mean the works £8,000+ 3 blastos put back and a BFN, it does increase your chances though sadly in this business there is no guarantee

buzzybee123 Tue 04-Jun-13 15:32:33

dose not does hmm

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buzzybee123 Tue 04-Jun-13 16:08:29

expat I have heard its quite nice, just make sure you go home and rest and are well taken care of

Karbea Tue 04-Jun-13 16:37:29

Had my call and another 450 fostimon for me tonight.

buzzybee123 Tue 04-Jun-13 16:45:23

karbea when are you expecting EC to be

wishuponapositive Tue 04-Jun-13 16:56:18

Hey ladies! I was catching up with the day and I have to say buzzy, you've just made a hard day so much better :-) what lovely news!

I couldn't have my trial ET today because AF turned up last night and they want me to bleed for 24 hours. Typically I have pretty much stopped bleeding so I'm panicking that they're gonna cancel everything! Aaaerrgggggh!

It's exciting, there seems to be a few of us going through this cycle together smile

buzzybee123 Tue 04-Jun-13 17:20:08

the witch always has impeccable timing, yes there are a few of you about to cycle smile

Karbea Tue 04-Jun-13 17:22:52

buzzy I've no idea, I think last time it was day 13, but I was LP last time and short this time.

expat yes I'm short protocol too.

I really wish I could give up chocolate, I really need to cut out the sugar sad just hoovered down a mint aero bar 61g sugar sad((((

buzzybee123 Tue 04-Jun-13 17:28:16

ha I thought you meant sucked it up the vaccum wink i'm sure there is protein in that

Karbea Tue 04-Jun-13 17:31:59

Ooo I read it wrong, 25g of sugar, 2.1g of protein :S

wishuponapositive Tue 04-Jun-13 17:32:11

I'm the same, if I cut chocolate out I get terrible headaches. I've taken to sucking on a good ole Bon Bon to get my sugar fix, yes the sweet, not DP's danglies, much to his dismay wink

JuicySteak Tue 04-Jun-13 17:56:58

[lifts butter knife away from inner thigh] Does anyone have owt sharper than this?

Do you remember th'usband having to go and have one of his blood tests done again as the vacuous, should-have-stuck-to-hairdressing nurse omitted to test for anti HBc total? No? That's 'cos you weren't fucking listening. Anyway..he had the test re-done last Wednesday and would you bastard believe it? ReproG have just emailed me to say the cocksack of a nurse has not done the correct test AGAIN.

I rang the lab and began hollering and crying about blood and shit nurses and embryoscopes (we can't have embryo monitoring without this test having been done first) and she kindly told me to shut up and get my GP to authorise the test. She'll do it from th'usband's frozen sample from last week. I wept even more with relief. I know some of you will think I'm stupid but I swear I would defer this trip if I was told we couldn't have the embryo monitoring.

Buzzy, I didn't mean to infer that you should be 'grateful' for the privilege of the scan per se. I simply meant what a privilege for any of us to be reassured at such an early stage thanks to the miracle of science. I know your past heartache means you are permitted these early scans x

buzzybee123 Tue 04-Jun-13 19:38:03

juicywhy can't they just do the blood test when you are there?? I don't really understand why they need it to do the embryo monitoring ?? I hope you don't have to postpone after you have got this far

anyone who has had a miscarriage is able to get an early scan, it just depends on where you live and your PCT.

Karbea well with those low figures you should be able to have another one wink

tametortie Tue 04-Jun-13 19:56:19

Well, what a fucking fucked up fucking day I have had hmm You could not even begin to make this shit up. I am on my arse here. Don't know what is going on. I will do personals in a mo but I need to share this with you all first.

SO, as you can tell from my posts over the past few days, I had really moved on from the pregnancy loss and really wanted to make positive steps towards another cycle. Its not that I am heartless, we just really needed to close the door and move on.

We decided that today was the day for action. DH was going to get a copy of his karotyping results, book the DNA frag test and I was going to get the result of yesterdays HCG and hopefully draw a line under the sorry saga. I even considered a lovely bottle of pink fizz tonight to toast what might have been.....romantic ay?........

So was in a meeting at work and my mobile went off and I dashed out as it was a private number. And it was my friend the fertility consultants secretary. She asked what my number was on Friday- I said it was very low, only 65.3. And she said 'oh, well *** says this is a good rise, its come back as 272 '

What the fuck is going on?

I have also done a clear blue digi (damn you buzzy!!!!) and it has come back as 2-3. A rise from last week.

I dont understand.

Please someone, help me and guide me. I need lots of hand holding because I just dont know whats going on. sad

twinklestar2 Tue 04-Jun-13 19:57:18

Fab news buzzy to see the heartbeat. I agree, get your feet up and relax. So stressful for you.

I had my appointment today. They scanned my ovaries - all is ok. We are going back in a couple of weeks when we'll learn about the different injections, when to do them, etc. Got loads of paperwork to read through.

Girls, how do you know which protocol you should go on? My doc asked me which one I wanted to go on and I said short (because of taking less drugs). But not I'm not so sure. What's the difference? I'm panicking because I want to make sure I do what's right for me, I feel like I shouldn't have made the choice because of the reason of taking less drugs.

twinklestar2 Tue 04-Jun-13 19:58:50

Omg tame! Holding your hand here, I truly hope it works out for you - it's looking good no?

chocoloco1 Tue 04-Jun-13 20:06:50

tame a rise sounds good , no? <holds hand> what did they say they thought was going on when they phoned?You properly bled too didn't you? What will they plan to do next? Sorry, questions are probably not what you were hoping for. So it's doubled every 48 hours since Friday then, well hopefully they will test you again in 48 hours. Am really willing everything to work out for you x

tametortie Tue 04-Jun-13 20:09:35

Do you think this has anything to do with my embryo being a little slow? It was a few hours behind when it was put back and the other one was a day+ behind.

Could I have actually been picking up the trigger last week?

Could the embryo have implanted really late?

I'm so confused. sad I thought this was over....

chocoloco1 Tue 04-Jun-13 20:14:53

Late implantation is definitely a possibility, I guess, though I have no expertise obviously. How long ago was ET now? They must have a plan/some suggestions...? The digi going up is surely a good sig

chocoloco1 Tue 04-Jun-13 20:15:23

Sig

chocoloco1 Tue 04-Jun-13 20:15:50

Bloody phone!

buzzybee123 Tue 04-Jun-13 20:18:54

tortie I was just thinking of you, I was going to say that you can do DNA Frag in Brno for 100 euros but never mind..........

so the pregnancy is continuing wink, how many days post EC are you?? Big hand hold

JuicySteak Tue 04-Jun-13 20:19:28

Tortie, please don't be sad. It's understandable when you have so stoically begun to put this experience behind you but you've got to admit: things are looking rosy!! I suggest you have that glass of plonk and try to re-adjust your thinking. You've been given a life-line and we are all here roaring your baby on xx

Buzzy, there are strict guidelines for the storage of gametes and embryos:

'Prior to the processing of patient gametes or embryos, intended for use in treatment or storage, the centre must:

a. Carry out the following biological tests to assess the risk of cross contamination

• HIV 1 and 2: Anti-HIV – 1, 2
• Hepatitis B: HBsAg/Anti-HBc
• Hepatitis C: Anti-HCV-Ab'

Both th'usband and our donor have had to have this test. Not sure why the clinic couldn't do it over there.

chocoloco1 Tue 04-Jun-13 20:25:16

juicy that nurse of yours sounds like the real brain of Britain, ffs, just what you need. Bloody hell. Glad you read them the riot act. It's sounding good that you won't need your waterwings for Prague. Fair play to you for being so stoical and determined.

tametortie Tue 04-Jun-13 20:25:20

I have another blood test tomorrow.

Its doubling in less than 48 hours.

I dont understand.

DH is bouncing off the walls but I dont feel happy. I am scared.

I have bled proper red blood. I wouldnt say its been as heavy as my normal periods but it has been enough to wear a pad.

chocoloco1 Tue 04-Jun-13 20:26:45

Plus, how did you know I was working and lurking?! Guilty as charged!

buzzybee123 Tue 04-Jun-13 20:28:29

tortie how many days post EC are you

chocoloco1 Tue 04-Jun-13 20:29:07

tame are you still bleeding? Glad you have another test lined up. Really want this for you so much. I can see how you'd be scared to be happy, men see things so much more in black and white, don't they?

tametortie Tue 04-Jun-13 20:30:24

Juicy- your nurse is a fricking genius!!!! How hard is it??? Hope you get it sorted. All these blips must be equalling success xxx

Yesterdays blood test would have been 21 days post egg collection. The level is too low. Its doubling but its way too low, isnt it?

tametortie Tue 04-Jun-13 20:31:22

Funnily enough the bleeding has slowed tonight.

Progesterone was 23 so have shoved an extra pessary in....

tametortie Tue 04-Jun-13 20:32:53

And taken 4 x folic acid tablets.....

buzzybee123 Tue 04-Jun-13 20:33:47

I still don't understand, these are the basic tests that they should do before IVF, Barry had a blood test when we were there in the morning and they did EC in the afternoon, i'm not sure what cross contamination they are concerned about, sure they have checked your donor is clear of these and if your husband had any of these IVF would be postponed/cancelled??

Tortie it could be late implantation although they say it happens within 72 hours, the bleeding could be the one that didn't make it,

I have to say it is low but it is doubling though, make sure you up your progesterone,

sadly you are in the wait and see shit camp welcome have the blood test, if it is still doubling then see when they will book you in for a scan, usually its when your HCG is around 2500, my fingers are crossed for you, don't give up yet big hugs

JuicySteak Tue 04-Jun-13 20:34:44

Choco, thanks. Yes, I am determined because if we don't get to fucking Brno I am throwing myself off the first bridge over the M6.

Tortie, there is a woman over on the over-40 thread, aged 43, who, at approximately six weeks, absolutely pumped blood out of her vadge. Poor woman went to EPU 'knowing' it was all over (especially with her age) and was told she had a haemotoma that was going mental but was perfectly safe and would dry itself up. It has done, too! There was a heartbeat there at seven weeks and her baby is thriving! Don't despair.....believe the HCG levels thanks

tametortie Tue 04-Jun-13 20:43:49

I do believe the HCG levels, I'm just wondering whether because they are so low, they are telling me to give up hope!!!

buzzybee123 Tue 04-Jun-13 20:49:02

tortie sadly it is too early to know what is going on, the bleeding could be down to several things, it really is a waiting game, make sure they keep checking your HCG and make sure you are taking your progesterone to help support what is going on, if it keeps doubling this week then something is happening, maybe next week they can scan you

buzzybee123 Tue 04-Jun-13 20:49:43

I know its hard to keep the faith, I really do and the waiting is hell

tametortie Tue 04-Jun-13 20:54:15

I will have more bloods tomorrow and have a scan next Friday.

The waiting is hell.

I am not getting excited.

The thing is, if I didnt have the HCG numbers I wouldnt worry. The clearblue digi's (as much as I hate them!!!) have dated me spot on- 1-2 weeks last week and 2-3 this week.

Its the fact that the numbers are so low that scares me.

tametortie Tue 04-Jun-13 20:55:28

Can I just say- I really do love you all for putting up with my drama. I know this is exhausting- good news, bad news, good news- and thank you all so much for listening and commenting.

Id have joined another fucking thread by now....

buzzybee123 Tue 04-Jun-13 20:57:29

should I join the that thread too wink

twinklestar2 Tue 04-Jun-13 20:59:34

Tame I have a good feeling for you. I think it might have been twins and one didn't make it?

Girls in the middle of this drama I asked a question... If anyone has an answer I'd really appreciate it.

chocoloco1 Tue 04-Jun-13 21:00:37

buzzy great to hear there was a heartbeat today and hope the next week goes quickly before your next scan

twink I presume that if they asked which protocol you wanted to do, then they think there is no real difference for you in terms of outcome. I have very low AMH(0.23 )and originally they tried to start me on the long protocol but I didn't down reg properly as they were starting me on day 1, rather than 21 as AF turned up early. Short protocol was fine, different drugs both times. Ask them what they suggest I would and get them to give you pros and cons maybe. You're sounding a lot more positive about the whole process too, so that's good.

wish sorry to hear you couldn't have your mock transfer today, bloody periods! Was there a specific reason you were having one? I was never offered one.

karbea your scan today sounds like it's all going really well. only 8 eggs last time ...

expat great news about your EC tomorrow. Up until years ago I 'd never had a general and now I've had 4. I quite liked it!

twinklestar2 Tue 04-Jun-13 21:06:34

What is AMH, choco?

tametortie Tue 04-Jun-13 21:06:49

Twinkle- short or long????

Is this your first cycle??? What is your AMH/FSH????

chocoloco1 Tue 04-Jun-13 21:06:56

Haven't finished posting yet, phone is driving me mad, so have got to do a bit of work then I'll be back to read through the rest.(if I haven't thrown the fucker out of the window or stamped on it) can I just say, I love this fucking thread and I would be totally lost without it [soppy]

tametortie Tue 04-Jun-13 21:08:13

Buzzy- perhaps we should have a thread called 'IVF pregnancy fucking pain in the arse, dont know what is going on, help me'

grin

wishuponapositive Tue 04-Jun-13 21:13:01

Choco I was told I need one but never told why so I googled it and its all about checking the cervix is accessible with the probe and for them to get to know the bends and turns of my insides or summit! (Shrugs)

If truth be told I don't know why but I'm glad cause i'll know what to expect. Although... its the EC I'm crapping it about. Not been under general before.

Very nervous about it all now

buzzybee123 Tue 04-Jun-13 21:14:04

grin I agree, the waiting is pure hell, just want to sleep and then wake up and have a baby to hold

JuicySteak Tue 04-Jun-13 21:22:31

Sorry, tortie*, I shouldn't be getting your hopes up when I know nothing about HCG levels, I just want so much for this to end happily for you and your husband x

Buzzy, th'usband has to have some kind of extra STD test on the day of EC which is costing us 90 euros hmm Oh, and my husband says you've to tell your Bazza that he's 'been around Crewe works and depot a few times' hmm

Lifeasafish Tue 04-Jun-13 21:31:06

Wow! Ive missed a lot.

Tame/ buzzy - what a bloody rollercoaster. Please keep posting It is probably good for all of us newbies to know what can happen? Im all crossed like a pretzel for you both.

Apologies for my erratic posting - i need to work out how to do it on my phone.

Someone asked about trial embryo transfers? I had one done. The doc said it was to ensure it went smoothly on the day and to test what size 'thingy' to use. Probably to also give the transferee (the patient and partner) an idea of what happens so it is nice and calm? My cervix is at an odd angle and I have part of my cervix missing (pre-cancerous cells/bad smear), so apparently it was good for the doc to have a play with it all hmm

I did have an horrendus HSG to the point where i was asked a few times if I wanted it to stop and I could see the rather abrupt nurse (she was lovely once things got bad but had been very matronly before that) and radiographer exchanging worried looks when I started pouring with sweat. This is in my notes, so that may be why I was offered one, which happened about a month before my cycle started.

I doing ok I think. I am not sure when ec/et will take place, but I do have a scan next Tues. I feel calm, I try not to let negative thoughts creep in and I try not to think beyond tm.

My dh has been amazing and bought me flowers and chocs ( i know, not very imaginative, but its only the 3rd time I've had flowers in 10 years so it is a big thng) last week as I had been a mardy cow.

I will try to post more - embarrasingly I do forget about whats going on which I am hugely grateful for.

tametortie Tue 04-Jun-13 21:32:00

Twinkle- I have a low AMH and dont get a massive quantity of good eggs. With this is mind, I would go for short protocol because then you will still have a bit of your own LH in your blood and the cycle is shorter.

BUT its totally individual.

Did the Dr not advise at all???

Lifeasafish Tue 04-Jun-13 21:33:39

Sorry for the typos, I assure you I can write in real life. I'm just also not very good at writing on a damn touch type thingy. I've had to edit this a few times.

Juicy - good luck! Are you. prgaue now?

JuicySteak Tue 04-Jun-13 21:33:43

Right, can I just say: general anaesthetic is fucking brilliant. In fact, if any one of you says you hated it or you died or summat, I will eat my twat hat.

Twinks, I cannot help you re long/short protocols as I am donor egg IVF and therefore don't have to go through half of what you lot do. However, euro know this shit for sure. Something to do with how regular (or fucked-up) your cycles are, I think?

Expat, deep breath tomorrow, you'll be tickety-boo, cocker thanks

Choco, I love this thread, too grin

I need advice, my friends: neither me nor th'usband have smart phones with internet and so, if I am to stay in contact with you all for the nine days we are away I will need to take my laptop abroad with me. Now, I mentioned this to th'usband and he went fucking nuts, roaring that I'll have my head stuck into mumsnet the entire time we're away. He's genuinely upset that I'm considering taking my computer. What should I do? I don't know if I could actually 'go dark' for that long...I need you all <sniff> sad

Lifeasafish Tue 04-Jun-13 21:34:04

Ffs - prague.

Lifeasafish Tue 04-Jun-13 21:37:17

Juicy - the laptop is needed to check flights/floods and for google maps so you now where you are going.

It wasn't your intention to check mumsnet however while you are checking stuff...

Just take it. When he needs some info he will be glad you did. Shit I'd take internet over knickers if that was the only choice. Commando is fine, but fuck having no internet access!

JuicySteak Tue 04-Jun-13 21:41:23

Fish, give your hubby a kiss from me for being blardy lovely smile And give yourself a thwack around the head with half a can of Whiskas for thinking I am currently paddling through Prague in a dinghy (I fly on Sunday).

JuicySteak Tue 04-Jun-13 21:43:29

fish, you are right, now can you come round my gaff and twat th'usband in the balls with an encyclopaedia of British steam trains?

Lifeasafish Tue 04-Jun-13 21:46:46

There must be someone he wants to keep up with? Current affairs/ sport/ soaps?

MrJuicy - 9 days cut off from the UK, what will you discuss over dinner if you haven't read the latest shenanigans going on in the UK/world? Plus its better to take something and not use it than to be staring at the hotel ceiling thinking 'if only I had bought the...'

Lifeasafish Tue 04-Jun-13 21:47:52

Do you need mr juicy's spunk? Because if not I'm on my way ver with said encyclopaedia.

twinklestar2 Tue 04-Jun-13 21:53:07

Tame - what is AMH? I don't know mine.

The docs said it was up to me re protocol.

tametortie Tue 04-Jun-13 21:59:30

thats not very good guidance from them! I think it all depends on egg reserve, previous response and egg quality. I think you should push them for a bit more help making that decision. Its a very personal, tailor made thing re; protocol.

They are the experts and you pay a lot of money for them to act as such.

Ask them for a bit more guidance- your results should help. They will have done amh or fsh at some point to measure response xxxx

tametortie Tue 04-Jun-13 22:02:18

Juicy- we need brno/hotel auchwitz updates. Do not go without a laptop. X

tametortie Tue 04-Jun-13 22:05:29

This thread is 8 days old and half full. hmm

we talk A LOT.

JuicySteak Tue 04-Jun-13 22:06:21

Does anyone mind if I post yet more from the FF forum? I am more than dismayed by this little offering from some stranger who has wandered onto the forum to bring more heinous tidings of doom:

"Hi Ladies,

I wanted to share my experience at Reprogenesis in Brno. I’m not looking for sympathy or opinions. I simply want others to be aware of my experience if they are considering using this clinic.
My husband and I chose this clinic for IVF with DE because of their embryo monitoring. We originally planned on a fresh transfer but since my cycle was not matched with the donor, we opted to freeze our embryos for use at a later date. We ended up with 3 high quality, day 5 embryos. I told the clinic that due to my surgical history, I was only allowed to have 1 embryo transferred at a time.
A week before I left for the first FET, the clinic asked me how many embryos I wanted to have transferred. I reminded them that I was only to have one at a time. They informed me that they had frozen 2 embryos in 1 straw and one in the other. I let the clinic know how upset I was because I knew that this would only allow me to use 2 embryos. One of the two frozen in the same straw would get wasted. The clinic responded by telling me that this was an “administrative error” and my embryos were all frozen separately. This raised a red flag for me. My husband and I suspected that when I arrived in Brno, they would conveniently tell me that my first embryo did not survive the thaw. Well, this is exactly what happened.
I’ll never be able to prove that this clinic lied to me about the incorrect freezing of and waste of one of our embryos but my instinct and common sense are rarely wrong.
That 3rd embryo could have been the one that worked for us.

Also of interest, Reprogenesis does not use the standard ASRM protocol for embryo transfer. There is no abdominal ultrasound used to align the uterus and outer transfer catheter guide. They blindly transferred the embryo and I guess they just hoped it would end up in the right spot.
I hate to be so negative but this was such a painful experience for us.

Bottom line, I know this clinic lied to me about a very important issue and I would not recommend them to anyone.
Best of luck with your decisions. I hope to about hear lots of BFPs!!!"

sad

chocoloco1 Tue 04-Jun-13 22:17:16

twink AMH is anti mullerian hormone which is basically a measure of your ovarian reserve, so can indicate your likely response to drugs etc. mine is mostly so low due to surgery for an ovarian cyst 2 years ago where they also had to remove part of the ovary

fish glad to hear things are progressing well and jealous about the flowers and chocs, It's been a while since I've had either!

juice take the laptop, tell me joos that you have to, I said so, right!

Nowt much going on with me, AF due any day now, then need to wait for the next cycle to start so I can ring and book in for the scratch and then start drugs etc at the end of July hopefully, does that make me the last? sad. Am at that stupid unrealistic delusional stage of my cycle where I start thinking about how possible it is that I could be pregnant naturally and imagining symptoms that are surely all in my head. I mean, as if!

Waves to rasp, fab' nook , motor et al(I'm posh, me)

NookNook Tue 04-Jun-13 22:17:28

Hi All! I'm posting because I have basically been stalking you all and was starting to feel like a weirdo.

Tortie everything crossed for you. I can understand why you're nervous, I would be. What a roller coaster you're on!

Juicy what the hell?? Ok first of all you must take your laptop as we would be (once again) lost without you. Secondly why the hell don't you have a smart phone? It's 2013 FFS. Get one immediately. You will need it for when you have your babies and need to take endless pictures of them for Facebook (it's what every other fucker seems to do) grin

Twink I agree with Torts that they should be giving you more guidance. Definitely throw a stop time... Also try not to get to bothered by AMH and the like. As Choco will tell you - it's just a number! A small number in most of our cases I bet! smile

Expat I LOVE general anaesthetic. To the point of being a little obsessed. When I had my last procedure the aneathetist asked me if I was ok with general and I said "I love it". She looked a bit taken aback. That's probably on my file somewhere blush

Life my scan is on Thursday!

How's it going mejust?

Wave to Buzz!

Sorry of I've missed anyone. I blame the drugs.

twinklestar2 Tue 04-Jun-13 22:20:52

Thanks everyone. At my first appt the consultant said I had a good number of eggs. Is that AMH?

The doc I saw today is phoning me tomorrow so will discuss best option for me with him then. He did call today but I missed his call as I ducked out if work to buy crisps blush

NookNook Tue 04-Jun-13 22:21:53

Fuck I meant * Nok* not Choc! I have NO BRAIN.

tametortie Tue 04-Jun-13 22:22:19

Juicy- do not get bogged down with negativity. For every bad story, there will be 10 good ones. Folks that have a failure will quickly look for reasons.

Be positive!!!! You are going to the best place xxxxx

chocoloco1 Tue 04-Jun-13 22:26:12

My history by the way, for anyone interested.
Me 37, DH 48
2010 DH had vasectomy reversal of 20 years and BFP Feb 2011 but mc at 6 weeks. Aug 2013 DH had surgical sperm retrieval PESA.
IVF # 1 Nov 2013 3 eggs, 2 fertilised, 2 embryos put back, BFN
iVF #2 Feb/March 2013 1 egg collected and fertilised, BFP then mc before 6 weeks
#3 planned for July

Lifeasafish Tue 04-Jun-13 22:26:44

Juicy - someones got to come home pregnant from that clinic. Why not you?

I have every sympathy for that lady, but she could be a troll, she is making assumptions, she could be 72 years old. Step away from reviewing the clinic. It is too late to do anything now anyway, so just go with the flow.

NookNook Tue 04-Jun-13 22:30:36

Thanks Choc! Totally sucking up to you now as I got you confused. wink I'm not sure winking is approriate but that's the best I can do with a limited range of emoticons.

chocoloco1 Tue 04-Jun-13 22:31:23

juicy who knows if it's all true, don't know why these people feel it's helpful to share, hardly helpful now, is it? You're going to Prague, no bloody copping out now woman. [unhelpful]

NookNook Tue 04-Jun-13 22:31:45

Life I love that line! You are so right.

Lifeasafish Tue 04-Jun-13 22:33:39

Nooks I forgot about an earlier post of yours, we were playing 'who has the longest protocol'!

I am not even fully versed on what the scan is for and what happens next. I knew it all before we started, but I think I've got mental block. And I am cool with that!

Choco - don't be jealous, 3 lots of flowers in 10 years is fairly shoddy! I think I posted here about how resentful I had been the night before over being a woman and having periods? Well it was a 3 hr feminist rant really, he obviously had had enough.

I mean really, I've been poked, prodded, shagged, knocked out, jabbed, operated on, cut open, scanned, rummaged, drugged up within an inch of my life during this process.

He's had a good few shags, 1 jab and two wanks.

Flowers just even the score a teeny tiny bit.

chocoloco1 Tue 04-Jun-13 22:33:50

Well , I'll go with this then nookblush at the stalking!

Lifeasafish Tue 04-Jun-13 22:36:36

Nook - I stole it from DH who was reassuring me yesterday when I flagged for a second.

chocoloco1 Tue 04-Jun-13 22:37:04

He's had a good few shags, 1 jab and two wanks. Love it.

NookNook Tue 04-Jun-13 22:43:36

Yes! Choco is back on side! grin

Life I hear you. This is my third time and I'm still a little hazy on the detail! I think the scan is to make sure our wombs are stripped bare. Nice.

My husband is being rather lovely but I cant help that when he says "it's the least I can do, you're going through all the hard stuff" I think <yeah that's right you bastard. Enjoy your wank>

buzzybee123 Tue 04-Jun-13 23:04:54

twinks your AMH is based on a blood test but if you had a non stimming scan and there were a few eggs/follicles then that is good, some places don't use AMH they use E2, everywhere is different

nook grin

juicy you have to remember that IVF is a business to make money at the end of the day, she wants an answer as to why it failed and if it was true the clinic are hardly going to own up, but they usually put two in one straw for storage
I think the concern is that she said they didn't use the ASRM for transfer, I think you might just want to check with the ladies who have been, at Reprofit you see your blastos on a screen then they sucked into the catheter and the next you see them on the scan, its usually a blob thing, then the check that the catheter is empty, the embryologist came back and said it was and we could see that something had bee shot up into my uterus, maybe the lady missed it all as she was pissed off with them, I'd be surprised if they didn't use it or something similar to be honest, everywhere has its pros and cons

EuroShaggleton Tue 04-Jun-13 23:09:40

juicy those are the tests required for IVF here, regardless of embryo monitoring.

Re: the laptop, blame the flooding - what if you need to find alternative flights??? You NEED that laptop wink.

I fucking hate GA. It's a loss of control thing - the idea of being unconscious while people do things to me, particularly to my ladybits, sends me a bit doolally. EC is not a happy experience for me.

tame that's quite some headfuck! how are you feeling?

twink I've been told long protocol is done in most cases for the clinic's convenience (they can time it so there is no EC at weekends, so they can close then). I think there can be some clinical advantages in getting all the eggs to mature at once, but some drs are pretty septical. And I think it is helpful where there is PCOS to control hormone levels. Personally, I found downregging such a soul destroying experience, I would avoid it at all costs and go for SP.

You would have had a blood test for AMH. It's not done as standard on the NHS. I had it done privately. You were most likely told you had a good no of eggs based on your antral follicle count - the number of follies present at the beginning of your cycle, which give an indication as to how your ovaries will react to the IVF drugs. I'm guessing though as I don't know what they did to you!

I didn't have a trial ET. I'd had two unproblematic IUIs though and a HSG.

life so true. While I was having a knitting needle shoved into my ovaries mr euro was having a slightly less than ideal wank across he corridor. I know which room I would have preferred to be in.

twinklestar2 Tue 04-Jun-13 23:10:15

Thx buzzy, I'll ask my doc tomorrow when he calls. Must remember to take phone with me if I do a crisp run.

mejust Tue 04-Jun-13 23:32:36

hello bloody hell you lot have been chatting its took me ages reading through the messages and when i finished there was more grin
iv been quiet past couple of days feeling sorry for myself the length of time of all this jabbing and stuff got me down a bit and i didnt want to come on and moan .i dont really know much about all this but looking at my meds i think ill be stimming with just menopur has anyone done that?

expat good luck for EC tomorrow

twink i wasnt given an option on protocol they told me i was being put on long but prob due to pcos

tam im hoping its gonna be good news for you could it of been implantation as some women say it can be like a light period.

buzz glad to hear erythings going well

juicy take the laptop we need updates now and then,read your post to hubby about the arm bands he pissed himself laughing,i dont think anything will stop you getting theresmile

nook how are you getting on at the moment i dont think we are that far apart.

hi to wish life motor nokkie and everyone else

NookNook Tue 04-Jun-13 23:44:46

Mejust - I'm only doing menopur this time! I was on menopur and gonal f last time. No idea why. I've given up asking my lot for intelligent answers! When do you start menopur?

I know what you mean about it being a drag. My advice is to be super nice to yourself and feel grumpy if you want to - but please come on here and tell us about it!

mejust Tue 04-Jun-13 23:55:33

nook i have base line scan on monday so if i have down regged and all is well around that time ,when do you start stimming? and does the menopur burn as iv read that and also can i use a pen to inject it as my husbands done all mine with the pen and says he wont do them with out it as he would find it hard to put needle in me like that.
how have you been on the drugs im ok for few days then it all feels like a bit much

JuicySteak Wed 05-Jun-13 00:06:28

You know what? I am pretty sure the clinic did balls-up freezing that woman's embryos but a 'cycling buddies' forum is not the place to come and grind your fucking axe. Us 'buddies' over there are in the fucking middle of our cycles - on drugs, have chosen donors, have paid for flights and accommodation and have only our hopes to cling onto. I don't need some devastated non-upduffer to come barging in with her conspiracy theories. And what is more...I don't give a flying fuck if the embryologist stands twelve feet back and fires the fuckers up my vagina via a catapult as long as he's got a fucking good aim.

As you were, ladies...

Fabuluce Wed 05-Jun-13 07:36:49

juicy you are hysterical - your posts give me a chuckle every day, even when life is crap and freaky for you - big hugs to you for still managing to find the fun in all this shit!

tame buzzy hang on in there - everyone is with you.

Am on the long protocol which is more than likely to fit in with the clinic but as it all worked so well last time I figured it was best to go down the same route again. I've been more if a total emotional bitchbag since after the miscarriage than I was throughout the whole ivf process - is that odd??

Does anyone know more about this thing where they monitor the embryos as they're growing by taking hundreds of pics of them? It was in the news the other week being done in Manchester - do they do it anywhere else yet?

Fabuluce Wed 05-Jun-13 07:42:55

Oh and juicy seriously - you HAVE to have t'interweb whilst away - the only place it's acceptable to be out of touch is on a romantic idyll somewhere glorious where all you're doing is shagging. Other than that you NEED it - it's the law!! It's too awful to contemplate otherwise!

buzzybee123 Wed 05-Jun-13 09:22:49

juicy she most likely thinks she is helping you make a choice by telling you about her experience so you can decide whether you want to continue or not, for some women who are just at the beginning they might change their mind I know it doesn't help those in the middle of their cycles as it put fear and doubt in your mind, but then I suppose if it does do that then you'd need to decide if you wanted to continue and ignore her as a crazy lady or take onboard what she and others have said,

tortie thinking of you, hoping the hcg goes up

twinklestar2 Wed 05-Jun-13 09:51:27

Just seen you replied to my question, euro, thx very much.

Oh juicy you do make me laugh! Are you having one or two eggs put back? Please take the laptop with you, I'll miss you too much! Plus we need updates on how you're getting on out there.

Lifeasafish Wed 05-Jun-13 10:02:25

Morning all

buzzy/ tame how are you doing?

juicy even if a mistake was made, then the clinic will have most likely have reviewed the policy somlightening doesn't strike twice. It's too ate to change anything, it's out of your control. So just focus on your womb being strong enough for that catapult. Yes I just clenched while writing that!

nook wombs stripped bare gave me a mental image of rolls of err 'wallpaper' on the floor of my womb.

mejust just running tonthe fridge to checks the drugs... Ive got ovitrelle and gonal-f. The gonal is a pen, not sure about the other as it doesn't say on the box. Is your bureselin in a pen? My morning hit is via vials and needles.
I had panicked about needles, but once it all started it was an anti- climax for me. Hopefully it will be for you too. Do feel free to come here and grump - isn't that the point of this thread?

I imagine the rest of my cycle will get more difficult as it hasn't been to bad so far but I refuse to be scared by that thought. If it were difficult for me now I would expect the rest of it to be plain sailing. And i hope that will be true for you.

NookNook Wed 05-Jun-13 10:25:33

Mejust I think the menopur does burn a bit but I hadn't give it much thought so it can't have been that bad...

Life sorry for the mental picture! Maybe best to think of it as a good spring clean ready for those lovely embryos.

Has anyone else had any side effects from downregging? I've been getting terrible headaches and dizzy spells. I've just bought a massive botrle of water to see if that helps. And a pain au chocolat. That will help too, right?

Just reading all of your posts to Juicy. You ladies are so incredibly wise and lovely. This is a very special thread.

Lifeasafish Wed 05-Jun-13 10:37:33

Nook - i was advised to drink loads of water to deal with headaches.. Seeing as I'm only on 1 tea or coffee a day I've been drinking green tea with pomegranate to get my water/ hot drink fix. I've been absent minded, I've slept a lot, some headaches, a little dizzyness and a short spell of nausea last week. Oh and mood swings. But Maybe I over worried before it started as I've not felt inconvenienced by any of it really.

The mental picture was ace to be honest. It is being stripped then decorated as a temporary nursery smile

Burn? What the fuck, what do you mean burn? Is this not torturous enough without resorting to actual torture? If you've forgotten it cannot be too bad.

Can it?

JuicySteak Wed 05-Jun-13 10:47:30

Sorry, NookNook, I don't have any downregging experience.

Thanks, ladies, for your encouragement. I know I come across as overreacting, but honestly, had this woman got knocked-up at ReproG she wouldn't even have made herself known. She is nowhere to be found on FF and so didn't share her journey leading up to IVF or whilst cycling. Fair enough, just don't come whining to us who are actually slap-bang in the middle of it. You know what? I reckon IVF clinics everywhere have their cock-ups and, ultimately, the truth is that embryologists in their limited powers are constantly putting non-viable embryos back into women.

The embryo monitoring, Fabuluce, is a terrific scientific advance for analysing embryos through an embryoscope. It is done by time-lapse video sequencing and means that the embryos do not have to be brought out of their 'incubator' each day for analysis thereby reducing environmental decay. There's more about it here It costs £750 at CARE Manchester and I don't know who else in the UK has the embryoscope. I am paying 500 euros at ReproGenesis.

Twinkle, if we got the chance to freeze one embryo and transfer three then that is what we will do (multiple transfers, oddly, do not increase the chance of twins or triplets but it does increase the chances of a single implantation, obvs). We are guaranteed two 5-day blastos at transfer but we would be thrilled to have a frostie, too, as we won't be cycling again.

Right-o, I'm off to the doctor's to twat this hairdresser nurse....

mejust Wed 05-Jun-13 11:04:18

nook iv been drinking decaf and plenty of squash through the day and no bad headaches so far just minor ones that dont last long.

life im on buserelin and use the pen some injections hurt and then some dont one leg hurts more than the other,you seem to have a good out look on it all and im pleased you are taking it all in your stride its a good attitude to have towards it.

i have had mood swings and general feeling of being low in myself then i can be in a great mood for a couple of days,but iv had constant bleeding that is doing my head in as i had period started buserelin on cd2 period stopped and started again after 2 day break.oh and my body feels exhausted in the mornings and have to drag myself out of bed anyone feel like that?

mejust Wed 05-Jun-13 11:10:10

juicy please dont let one person with a negative experience get you down ,people with a bee in their bonnet always leave negative reviews no matter what its about.that doesnt mean you wont have a good experience at the clinic,not long for you now you must be excited?

buzzybee123 Wed 05-Jun-13 11:17:09

mejust I felt a bit like that, a bit hazy and unable to concentrate, low in mood and just not myself, drugs are evil things hmm it will pass though when they get you on the estrogen

Lifeasafish Wed 05-Jun-13 11:20:55

juicy I don't think yo have been overreacting. I just think you need logical explanations. This is IVF - I don't think anything is overreacting... How can it be? Most of us are pumped full of hormones!

mejust I would have preferred a pen I think. I'll confirm next week when I start using one. I find that if I'm fully relaxed the jabs don't hurt at all. Some do hurt if its pressed down too fast or if I'm tense. My DH did one last week while I was half asleep!

I am hoping my attitude lasts as it is fairly out of character for me. I am a natural born worrier but had intensive therapy last year for it.

NookNook Wed 05-Jun-13 11:31:50

Yes Life! My womb is a lovely snuggly nursery. Awesome.

The "burn" is just a little sting. Honest!

And yes - absent minded, sleepy, dizzy, nausea. Fun fun fun!

Mejust I've been decaf since the last ivf. I prefer it now. No caffeine highs! I will drink more water as this sems to be the concensus.

Lifeasafish Wed 05-Jun-13 11:32:54

Side effects, how could I forget... Dreams! I am dreaming a lot and some seriously random stuff. Some nights it feels like i've been locked into a blockbusters. hmm

. A friend reckons its the hormones, she had the same issue while pregnant.

mejust Wed 05-Jun-13 11:35:26

buzz nice to know it will pass soon i know its only a few weeks but it seems like forever already and iv only been jabbing 2 weeks

life was it anxiety you had and p attacks? if so they are horrible but glad your doing well now you sound full of reason