Taking No Nonsense and Brooking No Argument We Get Our BFP's, with or without assistance!

(989 Posts)
Solars Wed 15-May-13 10:13:35

So who's next in line for that BFP???

Solars Wed 15-May-13 10:21:15

Sorry Face I've not read it.

Dib & Dab is a great name, Sweetie I'm still in shock for you too!

I have already been and come back home from the clinic, I couldn't believe how busy it was at 7.30 in the morning, now just waiting for the call that bloods are good, if so I'm in at the same time tmrw for more bloods, scan and drugs teaching session!

ControlGeek Wed 15-May-13 10:26:31

<squeee> thank you for our new home solars I hadn't realised how full our old one was!

fingers crossed solars
loving the new place by the way!

ControlGeek Wed 15-May-13 10:30:05

Arghh posted too soon. Means to say brooking for your bloods solars, I think you will be leading our little pack of assisted cycles smile

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Wed 15-May-13 10:33:24

Brooking for good blood results Solars

Geek yes twins do run in my side of the family, none in DH's though smile

Face I have read the ice cream girls, I can't remember the ending. I've still got the book so I could dig it out for you.

Well I've still not heard from the clinic, I've tried calling a few times but its constantly engaged.

brill cups if you wouldn't mind flicking to the end to check for me. I don't have the book anymore. I know who I think it was I won't say incase anyone is reading it though!

Ooh lovely new home smile brooking for those blood results.

BlindKitty Wed 15-May-13 10:59:12

geek thanks for new home!

sweetie pmsl at Mary and Joseph, afraid they win over dib and dab!!! Still can't get over how thrilled you must have been when they said there were 2 heartbeats! What did dh say? X

BeedlesPineNeedles Wed 15-May-13 11:49:47

solars I think if your bloods are OK (brooking they are) then you will be leading the way with the next lot of BFPs. Thanks for making our new home, I can't believe you've not done a thread before though shock

Unless of course kitty has been "relaxing" on holiday and "not thinking about ttc", in which case she will surely be next grin

keepitgoing Wed 15-May-13 12:06:21

I think in ivf the chance of splitting embryos is about 2%, so maybe 4% as you have 2... X

Ps, I like kip, thanks cup

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Wed 15-May-13 12:10:02

Face I've just pm you, I don't think I've been much help though as I'm a bit confused myself!

I've just got through to the clinic, I've been told no one has been able to look my notes as they are too busy. I still might not hear until tomorrow. I'm so bloody pissed off. I'm sure they are going to turn me down, I don't need all this waiting angry

TheLittleFriend Wed 15-May-13 12:21:10

Gah, posted on the old thread!

Sweetie, I've said it on antenatal thread, but I'll say it again, massive congratulations on the twins!!

And Face, congratulations to you too my love. Brooking hard for a healthy and happy pregnancy.

<waves to all and offers round 3-month-old-yesterday ds for cuddles>

SweetieTime Wed 15-May-13 12:48:44

Solars loving the new thread. I am sure there will be lots of BFPs as you say with or without assistance. Brooking my best brooking socks off for each and everyone of you

Cup they sound rubbish, it really makes you fume doesn't it!! It is such a sensitive subject they are dealing with you would think they would hire compassionate people to answer calls. You should seriously complain it is not good enough.

keep the nurse was telling us yesterday that they had recently had a patient give birth to quads from a single embie. OMG can you lot imagine the possibilities??? She said it was reported in the Sun the same time as the Mail story of the couple who had quads from 2 embies but I couldn't find it

ControlGeek Wed 15-May-13 13:28:37

solars your BFP is now guaranteed - sweetie started the last thread and got her BFP. Hopefully this is the start of a new trend.

cups that's just awful. I have no idea how clinics are set up but is there the equivalent of a practice manager or a duty manager that you can complain to? That is a horrible, insensitive way of dealing with their customers. Are you happy with your care there in other respects? I can't remember if this is NHS funded or private, sorry.

sweetie I'd missed the Mary & Joseph comment, that is utterly hilarious! Do it grin <-- evil, me! And as for quads from a SET - crikey! No wonder they sold their story to a newspaper even the Sun - they'd need the money to pay for the childcare!

<waves to little and snaffles some three-month-old cuddles>

It seems it's not just MrG who can say the wrong thing... We were in the pub last night (I completely forgot about my meds and had a couple of pints blush) and I came clean and told him I was worried about his health and how he would cope with a baby. I said to him 'What if your back's too bad to pick them up out of the cot? Or play with them on the floor? Or throw a ball for them when they're a toddler?... Oh, wait, that's dogs isn't it? blush'

Perhaps I'm not cut out for motherhood just yet.

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Wed 15-May-13 14:00:02

Geek grin I have an image of you playing fetch with a toddler! It's not a bad idea as it might tire them out grin

I'm NHS so I guess what do I expect?! I'm sure if we were paying it would be a different story. The clinic seems to work very different to others from what I've read. I suppose I've not waited long so far really, I'm mean I was only referred in November. The nurse I spoke to today was at least polite, she listened to me and went to check that my notes are there waiting to be dealt with. I was worried I had been forgotten but she assured me they are at the top of the pile. I just don't understand how it can take so long to decide. I think it is possible to transfer funding over to a private clinic if you are not happy with this clinic. I think we have to do the first cycle here though.

Oh Geek you are more than cut out to be a mum now. Of this I am sure.

4 babies Sweetie shock

Solars any news on the results yet?

Cups we are NHS funded too, and we have had no problems. Is there another clinic nearby?

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Wed 15-May-13 14:16:14

There are other clinics but they are private. I know people have care transferred but I think they still end up waiting a far bit of time at the other clinics. From looking on fertility friends it looks unusual to wait this long to find out about being accepted. Every time they have called I've been told they are having an unusually busy time. I just want to know if we are going to be turned down so I can come to terms with it and get on with another natural cycle. I've not stopped looking at my phone for the past 3 days!

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Wed 15-May-13 14:25:09

Well I've finally had the phone call back to say we can't have the treatment this cycle. I'm so upset, I don't think the 3 day wait has helped. I'm so sick of waiting.

ControlGeek Wed 15-May-13 14:30:33

Oh cup huuuuuge hugs and lots of wine to you. Bloody clinic. I thought mine were a bit shoddy but yours takes the biscuit. On the positive side, it doesn't matter how 'unusually busy' they are next month, they have to take you no matter what. I definitely think a complaint is in order though. They seem to have forgotten they are dealing with human beings. (((more hugs)))

Oh Cups I'm so sorry. They are such arses. But as Geek says, next month is THE month. And I too would complain

cups how gutting. I don't really know how these things work. do you know why they've said no? can you complain?
sorry if I'm being nosy.

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Wed 15-May-13 14:46:13

That's the worst part, the nurse said on the phone they can refuse treatment 3 times. So we could still get turned down next month. I obviously misunderstood the consultant. She says its because of the teach appointments that they are struggling to fit people in not due to booking people in for EC/ET. Talk about ironic, I don't even really need a bloody teach appointment. I already know how to give injections. She said everyone has to go to the teach appointments even if your a doctor or a nurse. I cried on the phone to her, so embarrassed. She said she will put a note on seeing if there is anyway I can be squeezed in next month but I doubt that will make any difference.

BeedlesPineNeedles Wed 15-May-13 15:04:02

Oh cups I'm sorry you have to wait again. I could understand if they were too busy to fit you in for EC/ET (that's why I'm DRing 3 weeks as they were already full for EC the week before I'll be having it IYSWIM). But surely as you're a nurse thye can book you in a bit earlier than normal for your teaching session, and have it this month even if you don't start stabbing till next month.
And how long does it take? My appointment on Monday is for a dildocam and stabbing lesson grin and its only 1 hour. How can they not have enough nurses for those appointments? I do hope they get you sorted out soon (hugs)

cups that's shit. I'm not suprised you got upset. nothing to be embarrassed about. ummm here wine

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Wed 15-May-13 15:16:33

She said they have had to reduce the number of appointments as they don't have the staff to cover the teach sessions. I think it's just an excuse to be honest. Some of my old colleagues work there but I feel uncomfortable contacting them over this. It's not professional. I don't expect any special treatment or fast tracking but maybe I should speak to some of them so they can see how frustrating the system is from the patients point of view.

Thanks for all the support, I've finally stopped crying. I feel bad as I called DH in tears at work so now he's worried about me.

ControlGeek Wed 15-May-13 15:19:27

Oh crap cups that's just rotten. No wonder you were upset, who wouldn't have been? I think it will do the clinic good to have to deal with some of the emotional fallout of their processes. How awful that they can refuse you three times, too. That's just beyond. I really hope the nurse you spoke to is able to do something about getting you booked into a separate stab-training session, regardless of the timing. That way you will only need the dildocam appointment which takes far less time and surely they will be able to squeeze you in for that. More (((hugs))) and wine, and a plateful of biscuit for the clinic.

Solars Wed 15-May-13 16:31:10

Oh no Cups I feel so upset on your behalf. I would definitely complain about your call yesterday with that nurse? Plus I don't think there's any harm in speaking to your ex colleagues about your experience so far with the clinic. I can't believe they can refuse you 3 times though, does that mean they will definitely take you on at the fourth attempt?

<faints at the thought of quads> Sweetie you will cope fantastically well with however many you have!

Geek you will be a lovely mum. Errrrmmm by the way DH has been known to throw balls at babies, he claims that it helps with their hand eye coordination, it is gently rolling the ball I hasten to add! So there'll be lots of ball throwing in our household as DH is a big cricket fan and would want our offspring to be international sports stars hmm

Maybe I have just had the call from the clinic and I'm pleased to say I am good to go. Fsh was down to 7.2 or did she say 7.8? Anyway, I'm in again early for more bloods, a scan and teaching session after which they will confirm my protocol.

Beedle how are you doing? Have you had your withdrawal bleed yet?

BeedlesPineNeedles Wed 15-May-13 16:45:21

Excellent news solars so might you be starting straight away with the stabbing?
Yes, AF popped by for a short visit last week. Oh and I might have found a side -effect! I'm very spotty around my jaw and chest. But as no-one has run away screaming after looking at me I don't think its too noticeable grin

cups I don't think there's anything wrong with contacting your old colleagues. Its not like they can bump you up to the top of the list.

BlindKitty Wed 15-May-13 17:04:50

cups I think I always expect something to go wrong with fertility appointments, don't mean to n so negative but at least I'm pleasantly surprised when they're ok. Imagine I won't be getting iui next month

beedles I really hope you're right x

In other people's news, my friends hairdresser is heavily pregnant and it apparantly took 4 years for get to concieve. She didn't even get any help in the end! She just says to keep persevering!

Solars Wed 15-May-13 17:10:16

Beedle the nurse said they will decide my protocol after tmrws bloods and scan, I think because my fsh had gone down from my previous cycle that they may want to down reg me a little first so won't know for sure until tmrw. Do you feel like a teenager with the spots? smile I think you've done really well being symptom free, when is your scan again?

Cups I've just thought is it possible to speak to your consultant and just confirm about their treatment refusal policy as you seemed so sure about them having to take you on the 3rd attempt.

Hello brookers! Just marking place for all the BFPs on the new thread.

So excited for the assisted brookers and still certain there will be at least one ironic BFP...

Solars that's fantastic news!! How exciting! Am looking forward to hearing all about it tomorrow.

Cups lovely, how are you feeling now? I agree, I think speaking to your old colleagues may help. I hope MrCups is looking after you tonight x

<squeezes Gen to within an inch of her life>

Kitty 4 years, wow. Well done her, she must be over the moon!

Beedlea boo to the spots. I hate having a spot. But I always think you are the only one that notices it!

Squeeeeeeze! Back at ya, maybe!

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Wed 15-May-13 23:06:09

Solars that is great news! So glad the blood results were ok.

Well I've read all the paperwork and been on fertility friends and they can refuse you 3 times. However it also says that your baseline scans and bloods should be no more than 6 months old. Next month it will be 6 months since I had them done so I'm planning on pushing that point next time I request.

Well it was my leaving do tonight so I had no choice but to stop wallowing and go out. It was a lovely evening, my work friends are so nice. I think everyone was a bit upset that I didn't cry but little did they know I'd spent most of the afternoon in tears so I felt emotionally dead inside sad

Thanks for all the support today, it's been the worst I've felt in ages. God knows what I'd do without you lot thanks

Withalittlesparkle Wed 15-May-13 23:51:59

Making place for more BFPs

BlindKitty Thu 16-May-13 03:03:45

maybe I know! Can't believe she'd not asked for help!!!

cups <sending kind thoughts for you> as always xxx

ScarlettInSpace Thu 16-May-13 11:57:14

Morning brookers, quick phone post from work loos to say wooooooohoooooooo sweetie and your potential to firm a family 5aside football team this year grin

Mixed update from Scarlett HQ, have spent must of the week [TMI coning up] feeling like I need a poo all the time even when I don't confused funny tight feeling in my tummy probably trapped wind and still have a headache since Saturday not drinking enough water probably also very very tired, had an afternoon nap on Tuesday lazy bastid but at 7 days past IUI I am pretty certain these are all psychosomatic and I don't feel like this has worked.

Implantation Acu this eve so am outwardly keeping the faith but expecting a very BFN next week brookers x

ControlGeek Thu 16-May-13 13:29:09

Ooh scarlett you know we all love a good symptom-spot! 7 days could well be the start of implantation, so you never know grin Well done on getting acu sorted, I hope it goes well and leaves you feeling fabulous and relaxed. As my DM constantly tries to drum into me, expect the worst and hope for the best. Brooking for you x

cups I think your bloodwork expiry is a great line to try with the clinic. I really hope something comes of it so that you don't have to go through a third refusal. And def speak to your former colleagues. As someone else said, it's not like they can put you to the top of the list so no wrong-doing by having a word.

beedle Have you had your bloods done yet? Do you know your protocol yet or will it be a few days before the results come back?

kitty that's great about your friend's hairdresser, it's lovely to know some people can get there without help after so long.

In preparation for next cycle's ICSI, I decided to stock up on supermarket tests so that I could test my trigger out without having to resort to my ever-increasingly faulty (in the worst possible way) ICs. The lady on the checkout had raised an eyebrow when she put the third twin-pack through the till, both eyebrows when she put the fourth through, and couldn't shut her mouth when the fifth one came down the conveyor belt towards her grin grin grin

My stash of tests now looks something like:
- approx 20ish x ICs
- 10 x Morrisons Own pink dye tests
- 6 x FRER
- 4 x Superdrug Own pink dye tests
- 1 x Clear Blue 'Plus' type test
- 1 x Clear Blue Digital

Do you think I have enough yet? confused

By the way, I am in awe of the clinic that sent out the schedule as a spreadsheet complete with colours! There was another spreadsheet reference as well, I remember reading about it on my phone but couldn't respond straight away and it slipped my mind blush All vair impressive!

<waves to boo, sparks, maybe, keep, gen and all the other brookers>

GreenOlives Thu 16-May-13 14:04:05

Marking my place! Thought there weren't many posts to catch up on then I realised you had a new home! X

Solars Thu 16-May-13 16:36:45

Firstly, I just want to say I am exhausted and it's only day 2 of my cycle.

Geek were you asking me rather than Beedle about blood results and protocol? If so then yes bloods were taken at 7.30am as well as having a scan today. Both good and I have now started on short protocol, was told to take my first stims injection asap - omg I can't believe it's all starting again. I am also having a hysteroscopy tomorrow morning where they will also aspirate the little cyst that has appeared from where I ovulated from last month, all normal i've been told and they just want to make room for the many follicles I'll be growing. I have been told to drink 2 litres of water and 1 litre of milk as a minimum per day, this may increase as the days go on!! It seems like it's going to be moving really fast from now onwards and to be honest I feel a little scared about it all i had a little weep on dh when I got home this afternoon

Geek I don't have a single test in the house, i'm in awe of your stash!

Cups that seems like a really good idea using your bloodwork expiry to get you on next month.

Scarlett I'm brooking for that positive for you!

Maybe I hope you are containing your excitement for your drugs delivery tomorrow!!

BeedlesPineNeedles Thu 16-May-13 17:15:27

Wow solars its all moving really quickly for you now. How exciting and slightly scary at the same time. And I'm glad you worked out that geek's question was for you as I was a bit worried that I needed more blood tests grin
I can't believe you don't have a single test in the house, I hope you'll be more prepared once you get nearer to test date.

geek love the story about buying all the tests grin

ControlGeek Thu 16-May-13 17:41:37

Oops so sorry beedle and solars I think I must have been in too much of a hurry at lunch time! blush

I am just stunned that you don't have a single test in your house solars I don't think my house has been test free for the best part of 10 years (albeit they sometimes went a bit out of date...)

BeedlesPineNeedles Thu 16-May-13 18:01:16

That's ok geek I won't hold it against you for long grin

scarlett interesting symptoms, I hope the acupuncture helps you on the way to the BFP

maybe I hope you've cleared some space in your fridge for your drugs!

SweetieTime Thu 16-May-13 18:32:54

ladies just popping in to share this link which is the story the nurse was telling us about. It is the clinic where we went for our treatment.

TheLittleFriend Thu 16-May-13 19:16:46

Sweetie that is an amazing link. Am I being thick though, because I don't understand the bit about whether they are quadruplets or singleton and triplets etc. Surely if only one embryo was implanted, it must have split in to four, so they can only have quads, rather than the other combos?

ControlGeek Thu 16-May-13 19:29:55

Oh wow sweetie that is just incredible!

little I could be completely off the mark but I think it's because if they DTD anywhere around the mother taking the trigger shot some of her own eggs may also have fertilised. I understand that at egg collection they only harvest from follicles above a certain size. It's possible (though unlikely) that the smaller follicles subsequently released a mature, viable egg.

<grovels to beedle and offers a tray of brownies>

BeedlesPineNeedles Thu 16-May-13 20:03:53

Mmm brownies, all is forgiven geek grin

sweetie are you sure the person doing your scan was good at counting?

SweetieTime Thu 16-May-13 20:15:10

Geek good point, I hadn't thought of that but that could be true. There is a footballer and his wife who have triplets. She had OHSS so they froze all the embies while she recovered. They replaced 2 but in the meantime they DTD and this took naturally too.

Beedle I am sure she could count, I also have the pictures to prove it.

I have my midwife appointment tomorrow. Not really sure what to ask or what happens but it is only at the GPs so think it will just be a history gathering session.

keepitgoing Fri 17-May-13 01:37:56

Good luck solars! Did you do SP last time? How many days did you stimm?

Cups, bloody clinic, that sucks. Here's brooking for your fuck you bfp.

Just wanted to say dh got his job!! At least one of us will now be employed when kip comes along smile

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 17-May-13 04:46:26

Excellent news keep congratulations to mrkeep thanks
Which brookers will yoube living near to?

sweetie you're going to be a MWEPP woohoo. Has it sunk in yet?

ScarlettInSpace Fri 17-May-13 07:21:12

keep great news i bet thatsa relief!

cups sorry to hear about your shitty treatment, despite the twunt consultant I saw at the start and a few minor niggles my NHS clinic has been really good, it makes me realise how lucky Ive been - In thd beginning I rang my pct to complain about twunty cons and they were very helpful [even though they didn't let me move clinics, but I'm glad now cos I contacted a different cons instead and Im glad I did, she's fab] must be worth a call though?

Well I've got to go see a customer today ON A FRIDAY! Inconsiderate mofo... Can't believe it's been a week already! Brookers when should I test, weds? I want to wait til Friday but I don't know if I can... I was thinking Monday lol!

Acu said all my pulses are strong and she said it was looking good, still feel like I need a poo lol but no other symptoms this morning... Just feel like I daren't think it could happen after everything I've already been through Ive tried really hard not to, can't cope with the crash of disappointment again sad

My goodness it's been busy in here!!

Keep that's brilliant news!! Bet you are both so chuffed! When do you move back?

Solars that's fantastic news too! Hope your little op goes well today! That's interesting about the milk!

How are you feeling now Cups?

Scarlett I would have no idea when to test. I know what you mean about the disappointment. Im gearing myself up for that already.

Beedles when's your next scan?

When do you start jabbing Geek?

Hope you're doing ok Sweetie

Lovely to see some old brookers back smile

ControlGeek Fri 17-May-13 08:04:45

sweetie was this your clinic? It certainly worked for you! Hopefully more clinics will start to get these on board soon.

keep that is a-bloody-mazing!!! Can't wait for you to come and have coffee with me and sparks grin

scarlett oh lovely I'm brooking so hard for you. You've done everything you possibly can. How many days past IUI would next Wednesday be? This game is such a horrible emotional rollercoaster, it's impossible not to get your hopes up, no matter how much you want to protect yourself from disappointment. Do you have a plan B? <holds hand>

ControlGeek Fri 17-May-13 08:16:20

...Need to remember to refresh the page before posting!

maybe I have to phone the clinic the day AF starts, which is expected to be next Friday (a week today! Eeek!). I'm going to call them Friday morning regardless, since it's a bank holiday weekend and I'm worried about the delay that may have. I'll start jabbing probably on the Tuesday/Wednesday of the following week. Are you excited for today's imminent drugs delivery? grin

SweetieTime Fri 17-May-13 08:29:50

maybe yes we were with Care, but Sheffield not Manchester where the study was carried out. The costs at the bottom made me laugh though, not sure who made them up!!! The embiscope was £750 but the IVF treatment was a lot more than £3000 quoted.

Scarlett I am so hopeful for you this time. I hope it all works out for you.

Cup how are you feeling after the last few days?

Sounds like you lot are all for the med and jabbing very soon. The jabbing is fine, just try to keep sane. Time seems to slow right down but at least something is happening. I found the waiting the hardest.

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Fri 17-May-13 08:58:57

Scarlett I hear you over not getting your hopes up. If you can find a way to not do it let me know! Seriously I know it bloody hurts but I guess if we didn't get our hopes up we probably wouldn't be putting ourselves through all this. I'm brooking so hard for you, you have to keep telling yourself you have done all you can. It's out of your hands now thanks

Keep fantastic news on DHs job. At least you can start looking for places to live etc. Are you both looking forward to coming back?

Sweetie wow god I really don't know what I would do with 4 babies shock it certainly is a miracle though after ttc for 10 years! The private clinic I can transfer to is care manchester. I have to do at least 1 cycle at the nhs hospital & it depends on the pct agreeing to transfer funding. Congrats on becoming a MWEPP

Maybe v exciting about your drugs. I guess when you get them it will seem very real.

Geek good idea to call the clinic on Friday regardless. I hope AF is considerate with her timing for once smile

I don't really want to complain to the pct as I've already complained over their initial refusal of funding and managed to get myself moved up the waiting list. Their criteria is you must be ttc for 3 years before being referred for IVF. We are only just at 3 years now. I still feel down about it all tbh I'm planning on kicking up a massive fuss if they even try to refuse me next time.

On a good note DH and I went out last night. We drank non alcoholic beer blush and managed some nice SFF. Also I've got an auto electrician coming to look at my car today so fingers crossed he'll fix the problem.

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Fri 17-May-13 09:04:37

Solars good luck for the hysteroscopy today. Brooking it all goes smoothly. I can't believe you are supposed to drink 1 litre of milk shock I really hate milk, I was allergic to cows milk as a baby. I can have it now but only have tiny amounts in tea and cereal as I hate the taste. I'd have to disguise it in a milkshake or hot chocolate smile

ControlGeek Fri 17-May-13 11:04:54

yes solars very best of luck today! What time is your appointment? Your clinic starts ever so early - I would have to get up at about 5am if I had a 7.30 appointment!

cups well done on the lovely night out and the SFF. I'd forgotten you'd already had to complain to get referred, but haven't the NICE guidelines recently been changed to bring the time down to two years (one year for over 35s)?

I'm not looking forward to the milk drinking. I haven't yet been told to do this by my clinic but if it is generally considered to be A Good Thing then I will probably do it anyway as it surely can't harm.

I've just found out one of the WI ladies is on mn and we have accidentally conversed confused <-- wibble

Scarlett I'd try a frer on weds but then I'm v.impatient. I can't see it being a bfn though as we've been fairly lucky here of late so long may it continue.
yay for keep coming home!
cups how are you doing? what's the plan?
feck I can't remember what else I've just read... hang on......

good luck solars and also yuk on the milk drinking. I couldn't do it so gross.
geek hope the witch arrives on schedule so you can get things moving along.
I've got a really good feeling for us all at the moment and I'm sure it won't be long until all brookers are diffed fact!

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Fri 17-May-13 11:25:19

Well I've been really brave, I've phoned the clinic and spoken to one of the nurse's. I asked her to explain exactly why I need to attend the teach session. Apparently it's a pre op assessment as well for egg collection. I told her I was unhappy with the way things have gone so far. I mentioned about the bloods & she said it doesn't matter as they will repeat them as soon as I'm accepted. I also told her I've been on fertility friends and I know that people have been accepted for treatment this month who were referred after me and I'm really unhappy about it. She apologised and says she has made a note of all my concerns. So we will see if it helps or not blush

keepitgoing Fri 17-May-13 11:32:14

Oh well done cups! That's weird others have been accepted, but now they know not to mess with a brooker. Is mrcups being useful or just leaving you to sort it all... Proud of you.

ControlGeek Fri 17-May-13 11:37:20

Oh cups well done my lovely! That really was a super-brave thing to do. I've got my gingers crossed that it does the trick - particularly that bit about others who were referred after you being accepted before you. That's really not on. T'internet is a wonderful thing, and really puts power back in the hands of the patient/client, especially when we can get to talk to others undergoing the same or similar treatment.

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 17-May-13 11:41:53

Well done cups There is nothing wrong with complaining (unless you start shouting and screaming and threatening people). Hopefully this will ensure you get accepted next month. Its not fair that people who were referred after you have been accepted this month, but maybe its just due to the weird (to me) way your clinic organise stuff. If their AF started just before yours maybe they were able to ring up and get the last available teach appointment.

Our clinic seeemd to work on the idea of referral, 3 month wait, appointment to meet doc and agree provisional start dates dependant on expected date of next AF and when they had time available for EC. I assume they book a certain number of people in for EC each week (and then hope that they're not all ready on teh same day grin )

yay cups I'm so glad ur standing ur ground, show them that they shouldnt mess with you.
I guess we all have to be pro active and really push to get what we want. look out for number one.

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 17-May-13 11:42:50

geek what are your gingers? Are they like imps fingers but red? grin

ControlGeek Fri 17-May-13 11:52:08

oops beedle blush guess I was caught 'red-handed' on that one grin I can't even blame it on the phone as I'm sneakily mning on my work pc this morning!

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Fri 17-May-13 12:03:56

Geek grin at Gingers!

Beedle that is it exactly, if my AF had been a few days earlier then I might have got in. I've just been on fertility friends, some poor girl has just requested for the 3rd time only to be told that she needs to get her MMR. When she saw the consultant she was told she didn't need to have it and it wouldn't delay treatment. As I'm sure most of you know you have to wait a certain number of weeks after before ttc. I really feel for her.

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Fri 17-May-13 12:05:45

Oh and MrCups is doing nothing of course. Typical bloke, although he offering lots of hugs and moral support. There's no way he would be on the phone sorting things out though!

Oh Cups well done you. Do you feel better for it? MrM is also rubbish at sorting things out. How lucky they are to have us wink

So, my drugs have just arrived. I feel sick looking at them. I do have a snazzy purple bag to put them in though grin. Now I have to try and get a medical certificate so I can fly with the drugs. Not sure whether to ask clinic or GP though.

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 17-May-13 12:18:29

I've been very lucky with MrB phoning up the clinic for me (twice!) -though if I was completely fluent in the language I am sure he wouldn't have done it. He phoned to chase our very first appointment last year and phoned to chase up our IVF referral, which made them realise they had forgotten to put us on the list. I'm very glad he rang them.

maybe when are you starting? have you got a little holiday planned too?

Solars Fri 17-May-13 12:30:37

Cups I'm very proud of you and I'm brooking this will guarantee you are good to go with everything next month. I wonder what criteria they work on??

Maybe perhaps try the clinic first seeing as they prescribed them? It is amazing how much stuff you will be injecting yourself with over the next month or so!

Geek hehe, ginger! I was up at 5am to get in for 6.30am, luckily I was told not to shower this morning so it would have been earlier! Procedure was done at 8am and I was home before 11am. Just resting up now. The milk is supposed to help with increasing your protein content, I would go for it whether or not you clinic advises it. I'm not a milk fan either and yesterday I coud only manage 1/2 litre as it was so filling and I was only told about it late morning anyway. I'm going to try smoothies in the morning, hopefully that will make it go down easier.

I haven't looked at your link yet Sweetie but think its the same article I read in the metro yesterday shock congrats at becoming MWEPP too!

Great news about DH's job Keep you glad to be coming back now? We always reminisce about our year out but you guys will have even fonder memories as it is where little kip was concieived x

Scarlett Wednesday sounds like a good bet to test. Are you all stashed out with tests?

Hope you're doing ok Face

Glad all went well Solars. Hope you're being waited on! I did try the clinic, they are posting it today!!

Beedle first jab is 28th, the same day we fly to Italy! All go!

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Fri 17-May-13 12:53:09

Solars glad to hear it all went well. You've had a busy few days. Hope you are taking it easy now.

Maybe glad you've got it all sorted. Not long now eeek smile

ControlGeek Fri 17-May-13 13:58:50

That's great news solars, glad to hear you are resting up. I can't believe you had to be there for 6.30. That would have meant me getting up at... well, almost the time I went to bed!

More questions about milk for those of you who have already been advised about it - does it matter if you have it hot or cold, in other words do my two or three daily decaf starbuckets of latte count? Also, does it matter what % fat it is, or whether it is UHT or fresh?

I don't think it matters if you have it hot or cold Geek or what fat it is, as I think the protein levels are similar no matter what. As far as the UHT goes, I wouldn't know. Thou I would guess it would always be better to drink fresh milk.

Cups not long at all. I'm bricking it

Solars Fri 17-May-13 14:55:24

Geek not sure about uht, you'd have to read the label for protein content, fat doesn't matter either as still has same protein content I think. We were told not too hot as the protein strands coagulate esp if boiling, I think that's what she said. I'm not heating mine but drinking when it gets to room temp.

You'll be fine Maybe I think you youngsters have a much better chance than I do.

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 17-May-13 14:56:42

Are you stabbing to DR as well maybe ? I feel I've had a rather easy start to IVF with the nasal spray for downregging (and obviously the complete lack of side-effects which I'm very thankful for). I am getting a bit scared at the idea of sticking a needle into myself next week though, so I totally understand.

Solars, I will have one of that, you are young too smile

Beedle, yes I'm stabbing all the way. I'm not scared of the injections, I'm scared of how I will feel if it doesn't work not that I over think things

ScarlettInSpace Fri 17-May-13 17:53:29

Thanks everyone x
I think the test thing is that age old dilemma of wanting to know but not wanting the bubble of hope to be burst…

cups I love your optimism grin how are you doing?

Good luck with all the jabbing brookers! Trust me it becomes so normal it will worry you lol. I’m brooking so hard that I took all the nasty DR side effects for the team last year so you will all sail through x

geek Plan B is go again. We get 3 funded go’s and the clinic have no objection to going back to back. Plan C kicks in after those 3 go’s and is a shot at mild IVF [I’m secretly stockpiling excess drugs from every treatment so that will cost me as little as possible]. If all that fails then Plan F kicks in, which is basically start smoking again, drink to excess regularly and go on holiday 3 times a year until I die grin

cups well done for making that call, even if it doesn’t help this month at least you know you’ve got your points across. Do you think that fact you kicked off before and got put through a bit early is why they are being twunty about actually getting you started?

I just checked the stash of sticks, 5 x IC, 2 x Clearblue [not the digi’s], 1 x used FRER still in the box blush I must’ve forgotten to replace it… Well that helps actually, the FRER has been burning a hole in my head. Although knowing theres 5 x 10miu sticks up there does make think there’s one for every day next week hmm

Re the milk debate, I got my Acu to look into this as I HATE milk, apparently it needs to be full fat to get all the goodness, but it just needs to be full fat dairy. So FF Yoghurt, Ice Cream etc all counts, and you can make it into shakes, hot chocolates, I made [decaf] lattes with it too…

solars last time did you do SP or LP?

beedle & maybe it is scary but honestly you will be fine, and wonder a little what all the fuss is about – I used to make a big palarva every evening, laying it all out on the table, being every so precise etc, now I just nip upstairs, mix & fill the syringe standing up, jab, and then back downstairs in under 5 minutes, I'm such a junkie grin

ControlGeek Fri 17-May-13 19:16:13

scarlett wow that's a plan and a half! But Plan F will never be needed. You are a Brooker, and a Brooker always gets her Baby grin

I was curious about the milk thing because I know from my A levels that heat denatures protein and I didn't know if that took away the benefit of having the protein. Perhaps maybe could advise?

My take on the testing is I would absolutely kill for someone to invent a home test for EPF (Early Pregnancy Factor). I would actually prefer to know 4 days after ov whether fertilisation had taken place so that I knew whether there was any point getting my hopes up towards the end of the 12 days. It would also give me peace of mind to know that sperm was meeting egg.

Geek heats does denature protein, but it is still a protein IYSWIM? Cooked chicken is still a great source of protein. Another good one I have been told is edamame beans. Ooh, and avocado. I was also told full fat yoghurt.

Scarlett I'm loving your plan. Oh wont get to plan f. Well, maybe when they're 18 and have left home wink. The injecting doesn fuss me at all bi was always injecting trough my PhD. It's just become very real. Almost ha a pain attack lat night. I think it's the fact that it really is starting now and that there will be a definitive answer at the end of it. At the moment, I know I'm deffo going to get AF every month so there has been no 'am I aren't I' going on, and I've had that little bubble of hope that IVF will fix it. My goodness me I'm a loon. I think I need to make a cuppa grin

ScarlettInSpace Sat 18-May-13 09:44:05

maybe I have those kind if mini melt downs all the time, have a biscuit with your [tea] grin

ScarlettInSpace Sat 18-May-13 09:44:32

Or in fact brew

grin thanks Scarlett much needed wink

ScarlettInSpace Sat 18-May-13 16:48:36

Good smile

Well my face is all dry & blotchy today brookers which is fairly normal a week before AF so not holding out much hope...

Have a boring weekend of housework ahead just had a lovely nap on the sofa with the pugdog though hope you're all out having more fun than me!

Solars Sat 18-May-13 17:36:54

Maybe I had a panic attack just before starting our second round, it's the anticipation of it all and the hopes you have riding on it, all normal, but once you get going you will be fine, lovely. Only 10 days 'till downregging right?

Scarlett I was on LP last time so this is all new to me, but glad it's not such a long process this time. As they say you really don't know unless you test, I have high hopes for you.

Geek I would that EPF test it would save so many days of uncertainty. Hope you're doing ok.

I am exhausted, was in again this morning for a blood and scan and will be in again tomorrow for another blood test. Still got half of my milk portion to go yet for today not looking forward to that I have also been snoozing on the sofa this afternoon.

ScarlettInSpace Sat 18-May-13 18:03:18

solars you will find SP so much quicker, it flies by! Much less stressful and intense...

BlindKitty Sun 19-May-13 08:00:06

solars how come you've got to drink milk? Sorry missed a few days!

scarlett lol at plan f! You won't get that far!

Well guys, don't 'think' I've ov'd yet so didn't make dh join the mile high club! Rubbish being back gone. Just waiting for my friend to wake up now so I can collect my cat!! I'm pining for her like mad!!'

scarlett do you have a pug?! grin

ScarlettInSpace Sun 19-May-13 10:18:56

I've got a Jug; half Pug half Jack Russell grin but now I can't call him puppydog anymore [he's 1.5 yrs old now] I call him pugdog smile

He is toooootally adorable and spoiled to bits and I don't care what anyone says about baby substitutes he is mine grin

kitty glad you didn't miss Ov at 35,000 feet! Any interesting letters waiting for you?

oh my god! oh my god! how did I not know this, I love pugs and all pug crosses. I've been trying to convince dh that we should get one but he thinks their ugly sad . he wants some kind of wolf/ husky type thing.

what did you decide about testing scarlett?
solars how are you feeling, rested I hope.
I think geek is on something with the early pregnancy factor test!
well the 5wk make has come round a lot quicker this time thank god. I have turned in to a complete animal with my wind though blush and am also completely knackered. still in bed! was supposed to get up and go to the gym!

ScarlettInSpace Sun 19-May-13 10:56:50

Google jug puppies, I defy anyone to say they are ugly!

he agrees their cute. but reckons small dogs are risky cos he might sit on Ithmm . really I think he should just watch where he's putting he's big bum!

ScarlettInSpace Sun 19-May-13 11:07:42

face are you on fb? I've got loads of pics of him on there that might help you persuade him grin

ScarlettInSpace Sun 19-May-13 11:08:46

Cos my pugdog is half JRT he's got bags of character too...

ah no I left facebook a while ago. shame I miss out seeing all the brooker dogs and babies. yes both make me equally happy!

ScarlettInSpace Sun 19-May-13 11:31:16

When I had a break from MN a whole ago I left the brookers group and deleted most people too blush it felt a bit like suddenly loads of people got diffed and as thd brookers graduated there were new people from ante on there who I didnt know too...

it all gets a bit much doesn't it and I'm gunna say it sometimes you can't be happy for people we're all human.
I'm currently putting off getting my hair done, my fringe is awful. I have a full fringe so takes a lot of up keep. trouble is I've known my hairdresser for yrs we worked together, had nights out together etc and she's always come to the house to do my hair since I left 5yrs ago. babies always comes in to the conversation there's always someone we know whose pregnant/ just had one. her bf also has a little boy from a previous relationship. so far I've never said anything to her. if she asks I just say yes one day soon hopefully. last time I saw her I was 12wks pregnant but knew something was wrong so I didn't tell her. thing is I'm sick of lying. I'm not sure how many times I can fob her off and pretend I'm not that bothered. I might have to find a new hair dresser.

BlindKitty Sun 19-May-13 14:27:40

face why don't you just cheat on her this one time? Like you say your fridge takes loads of upkeep and you'll need another trim soon, by which time you'll feel loads more comfortable with the pregnancy?

scarlett not one to normally find animals dressed up amusing but there was the CUTEST pug on hol. Sits on a bar stool wearing a basketball vest. Clearly the owners use him to get customers to go in but afraid it worked!!!! Seemed perfectly happy though with everyone fussing over him all the time.
No letter I'm afraid but I was getting my hopes up with all your iui talk. Tbf they did say it will be June. Any more symptoms?

kitty I think I will. be nice to go to a salon again I think anyway, more of a treat. bets its a lot more than the 20 quid I give h though.
sometimes people just don't realise how difficult that question about having kids can be.
oh I luffs a dog in clothes (i know I know) I can't help myself! my mum,has a westie who has a fair few items we love to dress her up in. I love the little hooded dressing gown she has sooo cute. its never bothered her wearing clothes I think she quite likes it. grin

BlindKitty Sun 19-May-13 17:03:19

face my friend used to have a border collie who used to LOVE wearing a bandana around his neck (probably not very safe but hey ho). He used to sulk when you took it off!!!

ScarlettInSpace Sun 19-May-13 17:08:09

kittymy fridge takes loads off upkeep, I keep eating everything in it! grin

Re hairdressers, I had a similar thing with mine but more because I had talked to her about the IVF and everything, it's all she wanted to talk about hmm last time it failed I text her and said it hadn't worked but I dont really want to talk about it and she seems to have got the message - maybe you could let her know you've had a couple of disappointments lately but you don't want to discuss it [i know disappointment doesn't even touch it but it saves getting into too involved a conversation]

haha brilliant typo and I didn't even notice!
I'm tempted to cheat on h this once and then after that take scarletts approach. I don't necessarily mind talking about these things but it can be a bit awkward and I get teary so best avoided really. its such a shame but I do tend to avoid people when im pregnant just because the questioning makes things difficult. 'why aren't you drinking' etc etc there's only so many times I can say antibiotics. I wish could drive just to have that as an excuse.

ScarlettInSpace Mon 20-May-13 07:43:24

cracked and tested this morning; don't know why i bothered hmm bfn of course. fool.

ControlGeek Mon 20-May-13 07:51:57

oh scarlett it's too early my love. How many days past trigger/ov/iui are you? OTD is Friday yes?

ScarlettInSpace Mon 20-May-13 08:26:56

yes Friday will be 14dpiui, today is 10...

I don't know why I did it really! Silly tart...

Just put myself in a bad mood on an already miserable Monday confused

ControlGeek Mon 20-May-13 08:40:42

I'll let you into a secret, ff says friday is my official test day too, today is 9dpo and I couldn't resist poas either - even though there is no chance whatsoever for me this month! Def far too early for you though - maybe try wednesday if you're up to it? Have they given you progesterone to take?

Am on phone so can't read back, will post properly when I'm at work, if I can avoid dink boss!

oh Scarlett it must just be too soon. what test was this!

ScarlettInSpace Mon 20-May-13 09:01:25

geek i wonder if we synchropeed lol

trix it was an ic 10miu, consoling myself with the thought that implantation can happen up to day 10 - if the speed my follies took to grow this month is anything to go by then its prob still mooching down the tube taking in all the sights on the way hmm

Withalittlesparkle Mon 20-May-13 09:11:26

Oh Scarlett, it's just too early to test AND ic's no matter how sensitive they say they are are a bit crap if you ask me!! Test again on Friday and watch that lovely line appear

ControlGeek Mon 20-May-13 09:47:17

scarlett I have just snorted coffee at reading that we may have synchropeed! I too used an IC (oh the shame!) but also a CBFM stick to see what my oestrogen levels are doing. I have very expensive habits!

I'm in Camp Cringe when it comes to dressing dogs up, I'm afraid. I even find it weird when people insist on putting coats on dogs because it's a little bit chilly or rainy. I can understand it with greyhounds because they genuinely feel the cold very easily but ffs a golden retriever does not need a tartan lined frigging wax jacket on!

cartoon thanks for clarifying about fridge/fringe - no matter how many times I read kitty's post I kept reading fringe and had no idea why scarlett was suddenly talking about her fridge <dense bint emoticon>

ScarlettInSpace Mon 20-May-13 11:40:27

My fridge is my favourite household appliance... It holds my wine when I'm allowed to drink it, sob and my cheese grin

My fringe I grew out a year or two ago and can't bc bothered with the upkeep to have cut back in again grin

ScarlettInSpace Mon 20-May-13 11:42:48

Ps They haven't given me progesterone this time, I suspect because you don't down reg they expect you to produce your own? I have a full box left over from last IVF but I'm saving that in case we pay for a cycle of mild IVF later this year - may make me a tightwad but I'm stockpiling as many drugs as I can for that!

BeedlesPineNeedles Mon 20-May-13 12:46:15

Had my scan this morning, my fibroid is down from 40mm to 10mm, not sure if this is due to the downregging or all the vit d I've been taking, but its good anyway. I learnt how to stab myself and I start on wed grin

Will catch up more later as I'm sitting on a train next to a colleague and don't really want him to get nos about what I'm writing blush

ControlGeek Mon 20-May-13 13:01:00

beedle well done! How long have you been taking the vit D for? Good luck with the stabbing, at least you haven't had to do that for the DR too.

scarlett not a tightwad at all, I think it is very sensible and would def have done the same myself. There is no point paying for more than you have to. What is mild IVF? Is that like normal IVF but without the stims?

ScrambledSmegs Mon 20-May-13 14:29:24

Hullo <waves>

Sooooo... over on the FB group we're having a little cute-off photo sharing thang. Mainly DCs at the mo', although one ball of fluffy gorgeousness is doing sterling work for the fur babies grin

If anyone has lovely photos of cuteness, whether human baby (related if poss, for privacy reasons!), furry or even an exceptionally hot cute DP/H, do come along and join in with the squee-feet.

My poor shrivelled old ovaries have been positively twanging all morning, I'm hoping for a slew of BFP's off the back of this! grin

ScrambledSmegs Mon 20-May-13 14:31:02

Squee-fest.

Seriously, phone? hmm You bastard

Withalittlesparkle Mon 20-May-13 14:45:08

Beedle that fabulous news!!

Would like to point out that present it's my beautiful fur baby winning the cute off smile such a proud fur mummy

ScrambledSmegs Mon 20-May-13 14:51:29

Ooh, great news Beedle! Well done you!

ScrambledSmegs Mon 20-May-13 14:52:25

We're all winners, Sparks

<twat-hat on today>

ScarlettInSpace Mon 20-May-13 15:07:42

geek mild IVF is short protocol with low stims, same level as I'm doing for IUI really...

smegs hello! My jugdog is the cutest dodgy in the world fact grin

beedle oooooh well done on shrinking the fibroid has no idea what that means but it does sound like impressive shrinkage

ScarlettInSpace Mon 20-May-13 15:11:15

Oooooh beedle did you watch the ESC on Saturday? Was it compulsory in Sweden? I thought if you when the presenter was singing her silly song about all things Swedish grin

Um, who's dog is the cutest of them all......wink

Beedle that's amazing news!! Not long now!!

Lovely to see you Smegs and your squee feet

Withalittlesparkle Mon 20-May-13 16:03:39

Beg to differ smeggs wink

Reckon pugdog and Otis need to fight it out smile

Solars Mon 20-May-13 18:16:20

Hi sorry for not being around much, but I'm utterly exhausted, I have to go into the clinic daily for about 7.30am for blood tests ans scans plus I've started one of the injections that has to be taken at 5am! So my alarm is set for 4.45am every morning at the moment!!

Beedle great to hear your news and you get to start stabbing soon! I'm feeling like a junkie at the moment

I haven't checked into FB for ages but will try to check out all these cute pics soon.

Kitty I've started my ivf/icsi cycle and the clinic recommends 1 litre of milk per day to help with the protein intake!!

A big hello to everyone else, hope you're all doing ok!

ScarlettInSpace Mon 20-May-13 18:52:10

solars the drugs knock you sideways as it is, with a 4.45am alarm call in not surprised you're exhausted! Early nights wink

sparks I think maybe and I agree that our dogs are two totally different types of cute - otis in a big smother-you-with-cuddles fluffy kind of a way and mine in a tiny pick-him-up-and-squeeze-him pugly kind of a way grin

Definitely agreeing with you there Scarlett. Though it is interesting trying to pick Otis up..... grin

Solars you poor thing. When is EC pencilled in for?

Solars Mon 20-May-13 20:51:03

No idea Maybe anytime after day 10 hopefully, but all depends on how everything is going, I was talking to a lovely lady there today who is on day 12 I think and she's not even been told when it's likely she's going to be triggering!

Scarlett will you be testing again on Wednesday? It was definitely too early testing today.

ScarlettInSpace Mon 20-May-13 21:23:01

I'm going to try and hold out until Friday ahahahahahahahaaaaaaa but will deffo not waste another test tomorrow...

I even dug this mornings out of the bin when I got in from work in case if a late shower but nada

BlindKitty Mon 20-May-13 22:24:04

Ha just realised the typo!

face my trick is to order something that looks like wine, eg schleur and con everyone into thinking you still are drinking!

of course kitty (can't believe I didn't think if that) I need to trick the nosey bastards! ah the mocktail will come in handy. can you get shloer in the pub too then?

ControlGeek Tue 21-May-13 08:43:15

Cartoon there's loads you can have discreetly in a pub - tonic with ice and a slice, orange juice, tomato juice, any of the mixers in fact. Most pubs I've been in do alcohol free wine and beer too (but it really doesn't taste the same). Pour a bottle of becks blue in a glass and no-one'll know the difference. If you have a wetherspoons near you, the soda water is free, too!

ScarlettInSpace Tue 21-May-13 09:00:21

Morning brookers, well no need for me to waste any more tests I had some spotting last night so the witch is circling. usually spot for 3-4 days so hopefully she will steer clear til Friday, as I can only do IUI if I start on a Fri, Sat or Sun. Although feeling pretty meh about trying again tbh.

OH has also decided he thinks we would be wasting money if we self-fund any more ivf as 'it hasn't worked before' so looks like plan f is closer than previously thought!

Pfft. <excuses voice of doom and goes to comfort eat toast>

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Tue 21-May-13 09:22:55

Scarlett I'm very hmm to hear that. I'm still brooking for AF to stay away. If she dares to visit then I hope she sticks to your IUI timetable. It's still not time for Plan F, you will get there x

Solars you must be shattered. How are you managing? At least it's short protocol, hopefully you'll get a date for EC soon.

Face how are you doing?

Sweetie are you still lying down recovering from the scan shock?! When is your next scan?

Maybe only a week until stabbing starts!!!

Beedle I also was thinking about you while watching Eurovision smile have you started stimming yet?

Geek is right on the sneakily not drinking front. I've not had a drink in 9 weeks shock I keep ordering soft drinks and asking the bar person to put the drink into a short glass. The bar person barely bats an eyelid so I reckon I'm not the first to ask! Everyone just assumes I'm drinking a spirit.

Well I started my new job yesterday. It was just induction so didn't really do anything. I found out I'm on a long waiting list for a car parking permit. God knows where I'm going to park today as most of the residential streets are permit only. I've found a car park 1.5 miles away I can use. Which is just wonderful seeing as I'm working until 9pm and the hospital is in a v dodgy area. Grrr I'm so annoyed.

ScarlettInSpace Tue 21-May-13 10:19:18

Thanks cups Least I can get pished at the weekend though hey...

ScarlettInSpace Tue 21-May-13 10:19:57

Ooooh parking sounds shocking btw - my friend is a nurse and she has the same problem at our local hospital. NHS car parks are an absolute pisstake.

ControlGeek Tue 21-May-13 13:41:52

Crikey solars those are scary times! No wonder you are shattered. Is your clinic in a different time zone?? I hope you're able to juggle your work to give you plenty of downtime and rest when you need to.

scarlett dammit I was so sure this was the one for you sad AF will not land before Friday if she knows what's good for her

cup NHS car parking is appalling. At least you have been able to get your name on the waiting list though. Is there a park and ride facility that could make your journey between hospital and car safer in the meantime?

Three days and I get to call the clinic to arrange my learn-to-stab-yourself appointment gringringrin Dink boss is back from holiday but has been too busy to catch up with me in private. Guess he'll have to wait til Friday to find out it's all kicking off for me smile

I know you all love a good symptom spot, so even though MrG's swimmers would have been OAPs or six feet under by the time my golden egg popped here is my list to date:
- norks haven't been very sore at all this 2ww (normally they are agony from a couple of days before o, to around now)
- no cramping whatsoever (normally on-and-off cramping from about 4DPO, would def have expected a couple of painful episodes by now)
- a massive temp dip on 7DPO
- constantly hungry, but feeling really bloated every time I eat something (not so bad today though, but last night I couldn't even finish my cinema popcorn!)
- feeling sick when I drink milk products (I love milky coffees normally)
- (TMI warning #1) constipation like you wouldn't believe
- (TMI warning #2) passed a weird sticky brown clot at 9DPO
- yesterday's IC BFN turned into an amazing evap line overnight, so much so that I wasted an FRER this morning. BFN, obvs.

BeedlesPineNeedles Tue 21-May-13 16:35:56

scarlett sorry about the spotting, and sorry that mrscarlett feels that you should give up. But I think your plan b is worth a try before you get to plan f and I'm sure he will agree once he gets over the disappointment of the iui not working this time.
And whilst it was lovely that you and cups were thinking of me, I wasn't watching the ESC grin

cups hope you get the parking sorted soon.

Stimming starts tomorrow, luckily only 1 injection per day in the evening, and my first blood test is on Monday, so its seems quite easy compared with solars I'm on 300 units of menopur to start with, though I'm not sure how that compares with other people.

geek I love a good symptom spot, I hope a supersperm has got through. Otherwise its not long to wait until you start.

Solars Tue 21-May-13 17:05:14

Wow Geek that's a comprehensive list of symptoms, I'm saying diffed for sure! I'm doing ok, start to get tired quite early of an evening but have been sleeping solidly which is good but I keep waking up automatically 10mins before the alarm goes off grrrr! That's great news about being able to ring in for your teaching session, you'll be starting stimming before you know it now! Do you already have your drugs or will you get them at your teaching session?

Beedle good luck for tomorrow, I was also on 300 units of Menopur on my first ivf, we're on different drugs with this clinic. Do still keep sniffing though?

Cups hospital parking annoys the hell out of me, whenever I've had to get bloods done it was £4 for 1 hour!! Sometimes if someone was leaving and they still had time left on their ticket they would give it to me but most times I'd have to park about a mile away! Hope you're settling nicely into your new role now though.

Scarlett implantation? I think it's worth going for a consultation before you decide on self funding an ivf round, to hear what chances you have, it wouldn't be fair to decide right now.

solars poor you with such early starts I struggle to get out of bed at 7.15am!
scarlett I believe there is still time af hasn't fully landed! plan f does sound fun but a looong way off I'm suregrin .
geek your symptoms list is amazing! was it you with the impressive list of pee sticks too? I doubt you'll be needing all those. you'll be supplying the rest of us brookers for months.
nowt much to report here, I remain symptom free!

BlindKitty Tue 21-May-13 22:11:23

Jees GeeK you DO love a good symptom spot! I've had heart burn since ov but you've defo outdone me! How many dpo are you?

face mock tails are good..until people want to try them! Word of warning - drink slow or you'll give the game away! Only a few pubs serve schleur but I managed to host an entire dinner party with it at Xmas! X

ControlGeek Wed 22-May-13 07:38:52

kitty 11 DPO today. My LP is normally 12 days so AF will be arriving on Friday.

cartoon yup, that was my pee stick list grin

Another faint evap line on IC this morning, but definitely didn't rival that amazing one from two days ago. BFN on morrisons own. Didn't want to waste another FRER just yet. May use one on Friday though, before I call the clinic wink

ScarlettInSpace Wed 22-May-13 08:43:42

geek sounds promising, I've never even seen an evap line I thought they were a myth along with actual positive results

AF has landed. The bifch couldn't even wait til tomorrow so I could've stretched it to Friday with the clinic angry

I'm going to sack off this month and have a month off, good luck everyone I'll check in later in the month xx

ScrambledSmegs Wed 22-May-13 09:14:00

Blimey, geek, give your hCG levels a chance to kick in! If you passed a small clot implantation at 9 dpo they'll be barely off the starting grid now grin No wonder most of your tests can't really detect them!

Aargh. The end results of my BFPs are driving me nuts today. They're both sick. Again.

Free to a good home not really

ScrambledSmegs Wed 22-May-13 09:15:40

Sorry to hear that Scarlett sad. Damn AF. Not bloody fair.

Withalittlesparkle Wed 22-May-13 11:11:41

Oh Scarlett I'm so sorry to hear that. Be kind to yourself

Oh Scarlett I am so sorry. A month off sounds like a plan. Maybe MrScarlett will change his mind about another IVF round. I hope he does. Hope you have a good month of debauchery planned.

Geek I am very excited about these recent developments.

Smegs hoe the smeglets are feeling better very soon so you can stop watching cbeebies

First day of stimming Beedle how exciting. I will be on gonal-f, not sure about the menopur. Hope it all goes well.

Cups that is such a nightmare. That's the last thing you need at the end of a long shift. Hope you manage to get something sorted very soon.

BeedlesPineNeedles Wed 22-May-13 18:26:55

scarlett sorry AF showed up early, well sorry she showed up at all. Have a rest from the stress this month and we'll see you again soon.

geek I can't believe your peesticks are messing with your head so much

smegs hope the cute little ones get better soon and give you some peace

Well first lot of stabbing done, I think I did it right shock The sniffing continues but only half as much as before.

What is your injection that you have to do so early in the morning solars ?

ControlGeek Wed 22-May-13 18:31:26

Oh scarlett I'm so sorry sad A month off sounds like a great idea though. I'm brooking that MrS was just having a blip, like we all do, and that you will both come back all guns blazing.

Smegs I was taking implantation (ha!) As being the huge temp dip on 7dpo (in cloud cuckoo land). Seriously, testing early and often is my coping mechanism.

If anybody would like to see an evap line for themselves I am more than happy to ship my faulty batch (unused of course) to all and sundry - evap lines guaranteed, even for blokes!

BlindKitty Wed 22-May-13 19:23:18

scarlett oh hon I'm so sorry, I really am sad will you try another iui? Think mine is starting in aug now. Massive hugs xxxx

Solars Wed 22-May-13 21:17:38

Oh Scarlett I'm so sorry to hear that, I had such high hopes this month for you. I can't understand about the clinic rule of only doing an iui cycle if your AF lands on a friday, Saturday or Sunday?? Hope you have a lovely month off though big hugs.

Geek are you sure you're not diffed?! You can't have that many evap lines surely?

Glad stabbing went well for you Beedle the 5am injection is cetrocide which blocks your natural production of LH so you don't ovulate prematurely, I think the sniffer drug you take does the same. I'm not sure why it has to be taken at 5 am in the morning though.

On that note, I'm off to bed for another early start, big wave to you all x

BlindKitty Thu 23-May-13 07:02:42

solars ha read your last post as 'sniffer dog'!

BeedlesPineNeedles Thu 23-May-13 07:12:24

Its no laughing matter kitty, you try putting a sniffer dog up your nose 3 times a day grin

geek how are the peesticks looking this morning?

solars hope you're not too tired after your early start again this morning. Has it just been blood tests so far or have you had any scans?

I think my ovaries have come to life as I can definately I'm imagining that I can feel them

ControlGeek Thu 23-May-13 07:47:45

Just a quickie this morning as am running late - AF arrived overnight. Took a test to be sure and it was BFN (Morrisons' own, CBA with the ICs this morning). Will call the clinic today to get booked in for scan and teach session. Yay! It begins smile

Will do a proper post at work. (((Hugs))) to all

SweetieTime Thu 23-May-13 07:56:52

Geek so sorry af has arrived. I was so hopeful for an ironic bfp for you. at least you can get started now.

Oh Geek I wanted that to be your BFP so much, but yay for you starting now!!!

BeedlesPineNeedles Thu 23-May-13 08:49:23

Sorry its not an ironic BFP geek but woohoo for starting

ControlGeek Thu 23-May-13 09:18:22

beedle well done on your first injection! You must find it a lot easier than having to sniff a whole dog so frequently. I hope they gave you something small - would hate to think of you trying to inhale something like a tibetan mastiff grin

solars I'll be on cetrotide too, my instructions say nothing about 5am jabs, just that it has to be done at the same time every day. Perhaps they are waiting to hook me on menopur before springing that little surprise on me. How many days left do you have?

Dammit I can't get through to the clinic, it keeps ringing out <grr>

What would be the latest that I could start the stim drugs in my cycle? Would having an appointment after the bank holiday make it too late to start?

<waves to kitty, boo, sparks, cups, sweetie, cartoon, scarlett, maybe and all the other lovely brookers>

Oh Geek I was so hoping for an ironic BFP for you!

I think (but I really don't know) that stim drugs start around day 5 of your natural cycle? Though I am sure Solars and Keep will be able to correct me on that one

ControlGeek Thu 23-May-13 14:37:51

Ok ladies, I am officially en route to joining the Assisted Brooking team - teach session and ultrasound are booked in for 2.20pm tomorrow afternoon (OMG This is really happening...)

cups I really wish you were able to come to my clinic. They apologised for not being able to offer me much in the way of choice for my appointment - they could only offer me a choice of 5 (all at various times tomorrow). It's so unfair that the treatment and processes are different across the country.

BeedlesPineNeedles Thu 23-May-13 14:52:55

Oh fab news geek grin grin

We've got a real run on assisted brooking at the moment haven't we. maybe starts next week doesn't she? No-one will need to go to the gym as we'll all be keeping fit with our grow-follies, fertilise-eggs and sticky embryoes dances

Solars Thu 23-May-13 14:57:30

Omg Geek how are you feeling about it all? When do you start stabbing, tmrw? I started on day 2. Still not sure how many days left, will see how the follies are tmrw.

Beedle I have scans every other day so had 1 yesterday and having another tmrw. When is your next scan? So far I only have between 4 & 6 follicles, I had this issue last time, I seem to have quite a few antral follicles but when it comes to stimming not many seem to grow, so I'm hoping quality is good though! It only takes one is my mantra at the moment!

Maybe not long to go!

It was another long morning at the clinic, I had to have an intralipids drip, like you Face as my repeat NK cell tests still showed high levels this morning and I'm also on steroids, clexane and aspirin.

How is everyone else doing?

Geek that's amazing news!! How exciting! How are you feeling about it?

Solars you poor thing. How are you feeling?

Beedle howarethe ovaries? grin

Oh, and yes Beedle first jab is Tuesday morning at an unearthly hour due to airport run

ControlGeek Thu 23-May-13 15:49:09

beedle I'm banking on all that dancing to get rid of the crap I've been eating for the last couple of weeks!

solars it's brilliant that they are able to do so much for you this time, but it must be so exhausting for you, you poor love. Just remember, sweetie got 6 eggs and has ended up with octuplets twins! Brooking that the quality of your eggs means that you already have all you need.

I was a bit worried earlier as AF went AWOL for the morning confused tis all alright now though, she found her way back to me just after lunchtime, in time to take the phone call. To be honest I'd psyched myself up for them saying that the bank holiday made it too inconvenient to do it this month, so I am over the moon that they could offer me an appointment tomorrow.

I have no idea when I will be starting the stim injections, presumably I will be picking up my drugs tomorrow as part of my teach session. Bit nervous and jittery as I've already seen the size of the needle and it's twice the size of MrG's diabetic needles but then it does go in a very well padded different part of the body so hopefully it won't be too bad grin

MrG has gone from being a nervous wreck to scarily excited about the whole thing. It's starting to feel a lot more real now. My main worry is that I'm already convinced that it won't work - that we'll get a perfect blasto but that my body will reject it. I just can't understand why I've not even had so much as a CP in all these years.

Sorry, I've gone into babble mode grin

ControlGeek Thu 23-May-13 15:49:55

meant to say, good luck for Tuesday, maybe!!!

Oh Geek I know exactly how you are feeling. But don't you worry,we are brookers and we will simply not accept that it won't work. Fact.

SweetieTime Thu 23-May-13 16:45:17

Come on Brookers, not like you lot to be down. You are well on the assisted route and look how many ladies have success with IVF. It doesn't matter how those Brooking babies get in there just so long as they do.

Solars it is quality over quantity every time. As Geek says I only had 5 eggs, 4 of which fertilised and now on with twins. At the time I wouldn't have thought it possible. Good luck my dear, stick with it and keep your eyes on the prize.

Maybe good luck for Tuesday, the jabbing becomes quite methodical. It wasn't as hard as I expected it to be. You will be fine, just get yourself in a routine.

Geek your clinic sounds lovely, very accommodating. Hope it all goes well at the lesson and scan.

BlindKitty Thu 23-May-13 21:25:20

Go Geek go geek (in the style of the Ricky lake show if anyone remembers that). THIS is your time!!!!' X

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 24-May-13 07:07:41

On my way into work this morning a car stopped to let me cross the road, it had the letters BFP on its numberplate, so I'm taking this as a very very early sign grin grin

Good luck with the appointment today geek Should we consider this as day 1 of your pregnancy?

So far the stabbing is going OK but I have been feeling rather tired and headachy since I started.

Good luck today Geek

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 24-May-13 07:21:31

ooh hello boo how are you?

<borrows booby for a newborn cuddle>

ControlGeek Fri 24-May-13 07:55:12

maybe <hand squeeze> you're absolutely right, of course. This time next month, we will all be grads grin

sweetie how many weeks are you now lovely? Has the ms kicked in yet? I don't think it's so much that we are down, just voicing thoughts/concerns/worries that we can't necessarily voice IRL.

kitty OMG I remember that show blush

beedle wow that is a sign and a half! This has got to be it for you, surely! Hope the stabbing continues to go well, and that tired and headachey passes soon for you.

thank you boo <steals a sniff of K> mmm delicious

<dances the grow-follies-grow dance for Solars> when's your next scan?

Deffo considering this as day 1 (day 2?) of my pregnancy. Had a lovely long chat with my mum yesterday. She knows of a lot of people where she worked who have been struggling to get pg for a while, some are undergoing the same investigations/operations that I've had. It helps to hear things like that, rather than 'ohh so and so's pg again, and yet another different father!'

Withalittlesparkle Fri 24-May-13 08:15:03

Ok I'm being a bad bad Brooker not keeping up with all you stabbing and scanning!!

But I see geek managed to wangle an appt for today so masses of luck!!!

Hi Beedle we're all good thanks, K is a dream, settled really well with us and her brothers smile it all sounds like it's going really well for you, what is next in your treatment?
Geek I'm pleased you're mum was able to give you so much support and positive tales of other success stories smile <wafts K's baby smell over for another sniff wink>

It is all sounding very busy over here, I will need to tidy up in the grad thread ready for you all smilesmile

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 24-May-13 09:18:03

Hi sparks there can't be long left for you now?

Withalittlesparkle Fri 24-May-13 09:38:09

Beedles I'm 36 weeks today!!! Started my maternity leave yesterday, gobsmacking really my BFP doesn't seem so long ago!!

Good luck with your stabbing, and yes I'd taking seeing a BFP number plate as a sure fire sign

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 24-May-13 09:47:14

wow sparks 36 weeks already. are you enjoying the calm before the storm? Hope little twinks is preparing to be sneezed out.

keepitgoing Fri 24-May-13 15:15:53

Hi all, am back from hols and trying not to fret over tomorrow's scan too much...

geek good luck for today! I was told stimms should start on day 2 or 3 of natural cycle.

solars poor you having to get up that early. I just did the ov-blocking one in the evening with the others - isn't it weird how things vary! It only takes one, for sure. And you never know, some little ones might have a growth spurt. How big are they?

kitty I'm sorry you don't have a letter yet, but that gives you a chance for a natural bfp I guess.

Right, am v tired, so off to bed

ControlGeek Fri 24-May-13 16:31:38

welcome back keep!!! Did you have a good time? Brooking all goes well for tomorrow's scan and that you even get a little wave.

Right, I'm all drugged up and ready to start stabbing from tomorrow evening. Next scan is Wednesday morning, then every other day for 5-7 days depending on how well I respond. EC will be a couple of days after all that's done, so possibly around 5th-7th June so depending on how many eggs/fertilised/quality of development, ET will be somewhere between 7th and 12th June.

I'm just all so <eek!> about it! Now that I've got the drugs I'm impatient to start grin

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 24-May-13 16:52:22

keep good luck for the scan. Have you had any morning sickness?

Woohoo geek we'll almost be cycle buddies, my EC will probably be at the beginning of that week. What drugs are you on?

ControlGeek Fri 24-May-13 17:02:31

beedle my stim is menopur and I'll be taking cetrotide to prevent early ovulation. y trigger is pregnyl. So far I've been given everything including the progesterone pessaries, apart from the cetrotide as they'll be teaching me how to inject that at my scan on Wednesday.

wow everyone there's a lot of words going on here that I don't understand. I take it its all good though.
there certainly seems to be a lot of stabbing going on. seems its full steam ahead for the brookers! grin
I'm slightly concerned by the sniffer drugs/dogshmm grin
solars how did you find the lipid? they're basically pumping us full of extra calories but its all for a good cause!

BlindKitty Fri 24-May-13 18:51:05

Go Geek go geek (in the style of the Ricky lake show if anyone remembers that). THIS is your time!!!!' X

ControlGeek Fri 24-May-13 20:10:07

Can I please have a round-up? I'm getting myself all confused with where everyone is at and I think I've missed out on some dancing.

Apologies in advance if I have any of the details wrong, my brain is completely addled at the moment!

Assisted
<Behave, Clinic, Behave dance>
cup Clinic will accept (brooking NO argument) on the next cycle

<Be Brave, Injections Starting Soon Dance>
maybe drugs received and leaflets pored over. Stimming starts on Tuesday?
geek No DR, start stimming tomorrow (saturday). EC due 5-7 June. ET due 7-12 June.

<Grow, Follies, Grow dance>
solars leading the assisted pack, has been stimming for 7(?) days?
beedle finished DR via sniffer dogs, has been stimming for 2(? 3?) days. EC due w/c 3rd June

IUI
Scarlett Having a breather
kitty Awaiting letter from clinic

Newly Diffed
Cartoon Please be a sticky one
Sweetie Long may you have no ms
Keep Brooking for a wave

I'm not going to try and go anything beyond the newly-diffed or I will show myself up completely confused Please, please tell me I've not left anyone out - if I have I am so sorry sad

looks like everyone to me geek its so hard to remember whos doing what, I always post from phone to do I can't check back hence why I always miss some of you.
I really must learn what some of this stuff is so I know what I'm dancing for! I usually get the gist obviously but sometimes I'm not 100%.
I think I need to make my self a little guide sheet!

BlindKitty Fri 24-May-13 20:44:13

Omg geek that's great! Vety observant of you! Yup still waiting for my iui letter, the clinic think I'll actually start in aug. yey!!! More waiting!!!

Withalittlesparkle Fri 24-May-13 20:54:31

Great geek, just what I needed!! Its k go for the assisted brookers isn't it?!

Can I add my name to the bottom of the list, not newly differ but frequent lurker smile

ControlGeek Fri 24-May-13 21:02:08

Ok, slightly revised listings:

IVF/ICSI
<Behave, Clinic, Behave dance>
cup Clinic will accept (brooking NO argument) on the next cycle

<Be Brave, Injections Starting Soon Dance>
maybe drugs received and leaflets pored over. Stimming starts on Tuesday?
geek No DR, start stimming tomorrow (saturday). EC due 5-7 June. ET due 7-12 June.

<Grow, Follies, Grow dance>
solars leading the assisted pack, has been stimming for 7(?) days?
beedle finished DR via sniffer dogs, has been stimming for 2(? 3?) days. EC due w/c 3rd June

IUI
scarlett Having a breather
kitty Awaiting letter from clinic, IUI anticipated for August

Newly Diffed
cartoon Please be a sticky one
sweetie Long may you have no ms
keep Brooking for a wave

About To Sneeze
sparks On mat leave and lovin' it!

Recently Sneezed
boo lots of wonderful snuggles with newborn K

Bravo Geek an amazing list. Glad everything went well at the clinic today.

Nice to have you back Keep am brooking for a wriggler tomorrow grin

So pleased booby is settling in well Boo.

4 weeks till the big achoo Sparks wink

ControlGeek Fri 24-May-13 21:13:46

Crash course for cartoon

Long protocol: use of down regging (see below) then stimming and everything that follows.

DR = Down Reg/Regging/Regulating: Drugs to shut down your ovaries and thin your womble lining. Taken via injections or sniffer dogs. Taken for 2-3 weeks from about day 21 of cycle. Usually causes a period-like withdrawal bleed.

Short protocol: no DR, just stimming and everything that follows.

Stim/stimming: Drug taken via injection for 10-14 days to stimulate your ovaries to produce egg-containing follicles

Second injection (cetrotide in some cases, can't remember the name of the drug in other cases) starts on day 5 of stimming to prevent early ovulation and release into the wild of all those lovely eggs that are brewing.

Trigger shot: drug (eg pregnyl) that is synthetic hCG (the pregnancy hormone) that is injected to force the body to get ready for ovulation.

EC/Egg Collection: Must take place 36 hours after the trigger shot has been administered.

ET/Embryo Transfer: Once the sperm and egg have met, dated and fertilised, the resulting embryos are monitored and the most likely looking candidate(s) are put back in. Usually happens between 2 and 5 days after egg collection.

If embies make it to day 5 before being put back in, they are usually referred to as Blasts/Blastos/Blastocysts because of their shape (an expanded ball of cells)

There's probably loads more, but that'll do for a start smile

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 24-May-13 21:25:25

Nice one geek you're right with 3 days stimming for me

cartoon don't worry about understanding it all, there seems to be so many different ways of taking the drugs to make some eggs. I'm not sure I understand it all grin

Wow Geek your list is amazing, it even makes sense to me now grin

<sends K in for snuggles>

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 24-May-13 21:29:34

Ooh more from geek

Just to confuse you more I only have one injection for stimming, but I continue with the sniffer dogs at a lower dose to prevent early ovulation.

wow geek that's amazing! thank you for doing that for me. I'm going to keep reading it back until Its all fully gone in (or ill print it outgrin )

BlindKitty Sat 25-May-13 06:19:27

cartoon you won't need to learn it now!

geek thank you, that's so helpful! Must admit I often skim over the ivf stuff, basically as I don't understand it but thanks to the 'geek guide to assisted pregnancies' I'm much better informed! X

Solars Sat 25-May-13 07:25:20

Excellent roll call and ivf/icsi explanation, Geek. I'm on day 10 stims and still a few days to go according to the dr yesterday. May have another couple of follies joining the party so they're going to see how they fare on the scan on Sunday. So glad your teaching session went well. I'm also on 2 different types of stimming drugs and my early morning cetrotide started on day 4 stims, still up again early today and more bloods too. I had to go in for 2 lots yesterday. My arms are butchered!!

Lipids were alright Face luckily my NK values came down from the last time but were still a little high so at least I didn't need the IVIG, I feel incredibly fat as it is without having the lipids!

Keep lovely to see you and good luck with the scan today, exciting!

Got to run to catch the train...

solars I know that plus my steroid appetite! there's no hope for me! I'd only lost a few lbs of what I'd gained last time. oh well, if it brings us our babies its worth it, even if I end up the size of a house!

Afternoon brookers. We really are trooping on aren't we!

Hope you are doing on with all the jabbing and bleeding Solars

Geek how are you getting on?

For all those worries about the non alcoholic drinks, I have a list of 5 non alcoholic bevies that look amazing. Let me know if you want me to forward it on.

Hope everyone is out enjoying the sunshine!

Oooo yes please maybe I'm not very imaginative with non alcoholic drinks. I'm sat at home with dh who has a mixed berry kopparberg and I've got a glass of water. hmm
weight watchers stopped me being a massive drinker, I'd rather use the points on food! but when I can't have alcohol its all I want. I need some tasty drinks to trick myself with.

ControlGeek Sat 25-May-13 19:00:24

<ups the ante on the Grow Follies Grow dance for solars> Brooking that those latecomers join the party for you. I'm glad didn't need the IVIG. Wow to you taking two lots of stims though - what is it that you have to take?

beedle how are you doing? When is your next scan?

maybe ooh are they fancy mocktails? I love a drink with effort!

All good here, I now have my first injection under my belt and feeling quite proud of myself for not cocking it up completely, stabbing myself in the finger or dropping anything Managed to keep busy most of the day to distract myself. The garden and washing are thanking me, but I'm a bit knackered now!

keepitgoing Sun 26-May-13 03:25:47

Well done geek!! It'll whizz by now.

solars I'm joining the GFG dance too, and brooking for those late ones. Can't be long now - you must be so tired, hope dh is taking good care.

I'm so excited for you all! Eyes on the prize. One step at a time. It only takes one.

Someone asked - yes, I'm looking forward to going home in 8(!) weeks. I'm fed up with the heat and long for countryside...

So we had our 12 13 week scan yesterday. Brookers, it was amazing, all you dream of. We are having to wait a week or two for the Downs blood tests, but physical markers were good and Kip was waving, twisting, swimming for us. I hope this helps for those in tough times - ivf is a miracle.

Thank you all so much for it all. You have been so wonderful. I cannot wait for all your bfps x

BeedlesPineNeedles Sun 26-May-13 09:47:37

Well done geek I think the idea of stabbing yourself with a needle is far worse than the reality. But I still have a moment of what the hell am I doing, as I prepare to stick the needle into me grin

I got the impression from reading about other peoples ivf that they have to mix the menopur every day, whereas I mix 1200 units in a little vial, so 4 days worth. Though maybe I wasn't really taking it in before it was affecting me.

keep fab news on the scan, as you say its what we dream of. Glad you're looking forward to going home, though there must be loads to sort out before you leave.

I was reading a thread on the local equivalent of mumsnet yesterday written by people going through treatment at the same place as me. There were 3 of them who were almost cycle buddies, and exactly in line with the statistics 1 of them succeeded. I don't know anything about how old they were or why they were having treatment, but it did remind me that we're more likely to fail than succeed. sad But they weren't brookers so who knows what difference that would have made grin

BlindKitty Sun 26-May-13 10:56:04

beedles ah there you go then. This thread is clearly lucky for the bfps hence my hanging around! Oh and also for the excellent company!!!

Solars Sun 26-May-13 16:39:58

Excellent scan news Keep so pleased for you. I was like you itching to go back home after our year out but we often reminisce about it all and you'll have extra special memories too.

Geek I've been taking Merional and Fostimon for stimming. Glad to hear the stabbing went well yesterday. You'll be a pro at it before you know it.

Beedle good to hear all is going well for you stabbing wise too. When is your next scan?

So I have had a long day today at the clinic with double bloods again today as well double scans to double check that I can trigger tonight and I've been given the go ahead to trigger, so egg collection is Tuesday morning!!!!

SweetieTime Sun 26-May-13 17:32:27

well done geek for getting the first jabs out of the way. I remember we kept breaking the vials wrong ans cutting our fingers. I asked om here and the lovely olives pointed out what we were doing wrong. Hopefully todays goes just as well.

Solars good luck with the trigger shot later. They do seem to have a very intense approach but then they get the results so worth it in the end. Counting down to EC. Very exciting times.

ControlGeek Sun 26-May-13 18:44:10

oohh go solars! So pleased you are ready to do your trigger. Did they say whether the latecomers were ready? It sounds like quite a cocktail you've been having to take. I bet your poor arms will be glad for a rest.

keep I don't know whether it's the stims but I had a little cry when I read your post about the scan. You are so right, it really is the moment we dream of. I am so, so pleased for you that you've finally had it. You've had such a long and frustrating wait.

beedle my menopur vial contains enough for four days, too, but I think it probably depends on what dose you have to take. My vials are 600 units and I have to take 150 units per day. I'm going to ignore the last bit of your post because I'm an ostrich and am going to bury my head in the sand because I quite simply am NOT stabbing myself in the gut and drinking disgusting milkshakes for nothing we are brookers and the power of brooking knows no bounds.

kitty BFPs guaranteed around here smile

sweetie no vials to break open here yet, the menopur has a little rubber bung in the end that you have to insert the needle into to draw the drug out. No idea what form the cetrotide will take yet, there is still plenty of opportunity for wrongly-broken vials and cut fingers!

Injection 2 down, and I didn't feel a thing because I was pinching 'the inch' so tight all I could feel were my nails - think I might be getting a little cocky now though. I've booked cinema tickets for tomorrow night and will need to do my injection in the cinema toilets before going in <oops>

Just made the mistake of reading the menopur drug advice leaflet - thankfully after taking the injection: "Menopur contains a medicine called menotrophin. This is a mixture of hormones obtained from the urine of women who have passed the menopause". Great. I just injected myself with Old Ladies' Wee envy <-- this is my boak face

Solars Sun 26-May-13 21:26:01

Thanks Sweetie hope you're getting your head around having twins now. We were given these plastic caps to open up the glass vials so you don't hurt yourself.

Geek a couple of the little ones have caught up a little but we'll see what happens on Tuesday, I'm still thinking about 4. By the way cetrotide is easy too, you'll be fine. I'm glad I didn't read the leaflet when I was taking Menopur envy

I have taken the trigger shot now and I'm pleased to say I'll be having a lie in tmrw and relieved my poor body won't have to be prodded and poked tmrw either! I am shattered so off to bed now, nite all!

keepitgoing Mon 27-May-13 02:44:15

Oh solars my lovely, well done you on getting this far! A fair few steps done already. Enjoy your day off from drugs, and your lie-in. Very well deserved. I am brooking like mad for a good number of eggs, though IOTO.

geek that is horrible - old ladies wee. I suppose I thought it was manufactured... You are such a sweetheart, and have had a hell of a TTC journey. Thanks goodness you're just 3weeks from your bfp. I can't wait to meet you and sparks when I get home.

beedle personally I think you have a higher-than-average chance. Not just from being a brooker, but also as the issue is sperm, and this is resolved through ivf/icsi, then Boom. Bfp-city. Will you just put one back?

BeedlesPineNeedles Mon 27-May-13 07:31:15

Hope you're enjoying your lie-in solars and masses of good luck for tomorrow. They are very thorough your clinic aren't they? double bloods and double scans on one day, what did they expect was going to change over a few hours?

Thanks for your kind words keep I hope you're right but I'm not exactly a spring chicken. They will almost certainly only put 1 back. I think the only reason they would put 2 back during this cycle would be if we only had 2 fairly rubbish eggs on day 2, then they might put both back but generally the policy is only 1 for women of my age on their first attempt. And they only do 2 day transfers which should hopefully reduce the stress (but probably won't).

geek I read that the other day too <boak>

So first blood test done this morning, I have to ring them this afternoon to find out if they want to change my dose and to find out when they want me to come in for a scan.

BlindKitty Mon 27-May-13 07:56:44

Urghh!!! Menopur is gross!!!!!!

Glad to hear you're all cracking on with the assisted conceptions well! I'm so jealous of you all. Really don't think I'll get pregnant naturally now. Not even sure the iui will work, think I'm just doing it so I can say we've tried it and move onto ivf!

BeedlesPineNeedles Mon 27-May-13 08:12:06

I wonder how they recruit the post-menopausal women to provide the wee, do you think they pay well? grin

BlindKitty Mon 27-May-13 08:18:58

And how do they collect it? I'm envisaging a battery farm of old ladies sat on toilets!

BeedlesPineNeedles Mon 27-May-13 09:35:10

grin

ControlGeek Mon 27-May-13 09:48:09

Oh you ladies do make me laugh - though I did wonder about the recruitment process myself. I keep imagining a newspaper ad along the lines of "Are you post menopausal? Is your aim good? Why not pee in our pot for cash!"

solars I hope you don't read this post for hours, because you are having the mother of all lie-ins! Well done on your trigger, I hope today is restful for you. Yay for no bloods!

beedle good luck for your blood results, I'm brooking that your ovaries are well and truly awake, and churning away at their golden egg factory. I'd forgotten they have to go back in on day 2 in Sweden, at least you won't have a long period of will-they-won't-they and waiting for update calls.

kitty don't count yourself out just yet my dear, you're a brooker now! There is plenty of time to go, and things to try, before you need to start injecting yourself with old ladies' wee IVF.

Quick question for the IVFers past and present - how much time around EC/ET are you planning on taking off? Is there much recovery time needed from EC, ie do you need at least the next day off work? Is it advisable to have a couple of days off after ET, to let the emby bed in?

ControlGeek Mon 27-May-13 09:54:42

I remember what I was going to say - my clinic said nothing about drinking milk, and they just said the menopur might make me feel a bit thirsty so to make sure I drink plenty (no hint as to quantities though). They also don't do blood tests - they determine whether your stims need to go up or down purely on what they see in the scans. I don't know if this is because I am NHS, maybe they give their private patients a more thorough picture. Isn't it strange how different the procedures are between clinics.

keepitgoing Mon 27-May-13 10:05:52

Mmm, I thought they had to keep an eye on oestrogen, if too high they won't put embies back. And Lh, to check yore not gonna ov. But I'm sure they know what they're doing, you just have to trust them.

Geek, I'd say you could do a desk job the day after EC. Ditto ET, I was told no lifting or stairs or exertion for 3-4 days post transfer (5 day), I guess that's when the emby would implant, nor sure if you do day two. But you could work. Any way of avoiding sink boss stress though?

keepitgoing Mon 27-May-13 10:09:01

And its protein you need geek, not nec milk. To grow juicy eggs. Steak'd do it...

I kind of preferred day 5- I knew what was happening and felt it wasn't up to me... And shorter tww. But those phone calls were scary!

BeedlesPineNeedles Mon 27-May-13 10:15:47

well geek I have booked Mon-wed off next week, told my boss I might work from home a bit, and if I'm lucky and everything goes to plan and I have EC on Mon I will also get an extra day off after ET as Thurs is a holiday here. I think too much time at home will give me too much time to stress about everything.

Oh and they said nothing about milk to me either. And I'd have thought a blood test would be cheaper than a scan, so I don't think you're getting a "worse/cheaper" service. I assume my clinc does teh first blood test to help them decide when to do the first scan. I'm not sure if they will do any more blood tests later.

I think my ovaries are awake, I could definately feel them whilst I was walking this morning (well I think I could, something felt sort of heavy down there) and I'm having masses of EWCM. And I think I might be giving off "take me now" pheromones as MrB was quite rampant yesterday grin

ControlGeek Mon 27-May-13 10:18:05

Thanks keep, I'm keeping absolutely everything crossed that I can get to a day 5 transfer. But of course that all depends on the number of eggs, fertilisation rate, how well they grow etc.

If I'm at work there is no chance whatsoever of avoiding dink boss stress. I have a week's annual leave booked at the beginning of July that I will be bringing forward to hopefully coincide with finding out if this round's been successful or not. Re EC/ET, I can take up to five days as self-certified sick leave without needing a dr's note so I was thinking of taking the day after EC off, depending what day that falls on, and a couple of days after ET.

When you get the call from the clinic, do they say 'come in tomorrow for transfer', or 'they're ready, get your ass in here now'? That could make it kind of awkward to explain...

ControlGeek Mon 27-May-13 10:35:55

Just seen I've x-posted - beedle I have just laughed into my coffee at the 'take me now' pheromones, brilliant! I seem to recall keep had found a science paper suggesting that a bit of SFF around EC/ET (can't remember which - must re-read!) was highly beneficial. WFH sounds like a good idea, I might see if I can do that between EC and ET, minimise the dink boss stress as much as possible grin

BeedlesPineNeedles Mon 27-May-13 10:38:40

I just hope its only MrB that can detect them, I work with quite a few men blush <boak>

keepitgoing Mon 27-May-13 10:41:13

Sff just before ET!
Geek that sick leave sounds like a plan.

They said to us on day 3 that we'd be a day5, but I don't know what they'd have done if they weren't doing well on d3. Get here now!! Cue 'migraine' for work...?

BeedlesPineNeedles Mon 27-May-13 10:41:54

Oh and I think the research was done SFF before EC and after ET but I can't see how you could do it just before EC (unless you have a very young rampant partner, I think MrB will want to save up a couple of days worth!!) But I can see that after could work, and I think the theory was that it would help implantation.

keepitgoing Mon 27-May-13 10:45:32

Nope, it's before ET, to get the body used to the sperm, or some such. Save them up for EC...

ControlGeek Mon 27-May-13 10:50:42

We've been told two days of abstinence before EC, no more, no less. That ties in nicely with giving the trigger. SFF between then and ET, in that case gringringrin

I'm hoping for a bit of notice for ET, as MrG has to take the day off work to drive me. Neither of our managers know the reason for the time off, they just know we are at the mercy of hospital schedules.

Solars Mon 27-May-13 11:17:14

Geek I got up at 8am naturally but it was a good uninterrupted sleep, got to be be in bed early tonight as we need to get to the clinic for 6.30am. Milk is actually a good source of protein, if you look at the labels it can contain 3.6g per 100ml, hence easy to keep up your intake of it. In terms of egg collection I would say its alright to go back the next day to work, but if you want to avoid dink boss stress take the day off.

I may try the sff before ET, Keep I was speaking to a lady yesterday at the clinic who was given an hour to come in for her 3 day transfer. but then she was delayed by a couple of hours after that

Beedle well done on the bloods, hope you get to hear from them soon. It's all go with you now, what day stimming are you on now?

BeedlesPineNeedles Mon 27-May-13 11:22:06

do you mean she was given an hour's notice to come in? solars shock

Today is day 6 in the golden egg growing house!

Solars Mon 27-May-13 11:29:35

Yep Beedle shock indeed!! Then the clinic were running late by 2 hours so she could have taken her time, I'm a bit worried as I'll need more than an hours notice!! 6 days not long to go then!!

ControlGeek Mon 27-May-13 11:36:44

shock solars one hour!!! It takes me longer than that to get to the clinic from work! I know the timing of these things can't be helped, but surely these clinics realise that we can't just be sat at home for the entire time. And to then be running two hours late...

Ooh beedle def cycle buddies, day 3 in my nice, sunny golden egg growing house here. I was so sure, the way my last cycle seemed to be going, that I'd be weeks behind you.

BeedlesPineNeedles Mon 27-May-13 11:38:33

I suppose its good that I already know it will be a day 2 transfer in the afternoon. I imagine they'll decide the time when they do EC. Hopefully they'll write it down so I don't have to remember it after all those drugs they're going to give me grin

Wow brookers, it's all go go go in here!

Just a quick post and run from me as we have lots to sort before Italy tomorrow, just wanted to say I'm brooking for you all.

here I'd the link for the cocktails. Hope it works.

Ooh, and Geek it's not an NHS thing as for the bloods. My clinic gives me scans and bloods every other day when I start stimming. Crazy about the differences!

I'm going to say chow belle now, and brook for you from Italy x

Solars Mon 27-May-13 11:43:12

Having said all that I'm pretty sure I was told the day before ET what time to come in on my NHS round.

Solars Mon 27-May-13 11:44:23

Ohhhh Maybe have a great time in Italy and good luck with your first stab tmrw x

TheLittleFriend Mon 27-May-13 11:54:11

Hi Brookers

Wow, loads of excitement in here. Brooking like billio that the bfps come soon for you all smile

I've found 11 cbfm test sticks in the cupboard, pm me if you want them.

There is also a frer hpt, the other one from the pack was used on the fabled tripe whammy Friday to produce a super strong and early bfp, so it might be lucky! Pm me if you want it

Enjoy the bank holiday everyone grin x

BeedlesPineNeedles Mon 27-May-13 12:06:25

little did you only do 1 test to confirm your pregnancy? shock

BeedlesPineNeedles Mon 27-May-13 13:25:47

well I must be responding Ok as I need to reduce my dose of old ladies wee to 225 and go in for a scan on Thurs am grin grin Looking good for EC next monday i think.

ControlGeek Mon 27-May-13 13:58:31

Joins beedle in staring at little looking like shock you have to be kidding...?

yay beedle, Old Ladies' Wee rocks! Brooking that as you're reducing your stims you're going to get a great crop of golden eggs.

maybe have a faaaaabulous time in Italy, don't forget to come back with a proper Italian silk MN scarf smile Good luck for Tuesday's injection (and all of the following ones, of course). Maybe my clinic will be doing bloods, but didn't want to tell me because my face was a picture when I saw the injection needle grin

BeedlesPineNeedles Mon 27-May-13 14:16:04

I think I'm going to assume that little did a whole load of Cb digital tests with the week indicator and never felt the need to use the other FRER. Or maybe after she'd used 15 FRER she didn't need to use that last remaining one grin Cos no-one just does one test do they?

Now you can feel better geek grin grin

TheLittleFriend Mon 27-May-13 14:47:29

Geek & Beedle, I know, in a freak, I only did one test this time! It was very unlike me too, as I did loads with dd and pg that didn't work out.
This time round though, I tested about four days early, as I was already having symptoms, and the like came up as strong and dark as the control line immediately. I just felt very pregnant, and didn't feel the urge to test.
( but if it makes you feel better, I had tested with a opk the night before, as I didn't have any hpts in the house. I only bought the frers as I got a positive with the opk! In fact, I think it was you geek, who told me to save my fmu the next day till I could get to a shop wink)

You have fallen off my tio list so just a quickie from me no not that kind you filthy minded people to mark my place.

Brooking for you all from a bus in Manchester on the last day of our holiday

I only did one test too --one every day for 2 weeks- grin

Geek I missed saying woo hoo well done on your first jab, are they going well? Are you still on the metformin?

Rubber hope you and the family are having a good time smile

Everyone else, I can't keep up with all the jabbing, sniffing and appointments, you're all doing brilliant! I can't wait for all the BFP's smilesmilesmile

BlindKitty Mon 27-May-13 18:27:57

Maybe where is Italy are you?

Question to the ivf-ers, have any of you been diagnosed with 'unexplained'? How long we're you ttc before you considered ivf? Did any of you try iui first? Thanks guys

ControlGeek Mon 27-May-13 21:08:59

kitty I think if we had undergone investigations within a couple of years of starting to TTC we would have been diagnosed with unexplained but we'll never know. As it is, I had a rake of work done to sort out potential causes a couple of months ago. MrG has known swimmer issues caused by his diabetes (so not a factor back when we started) so it's ICSI or nothing for us. We started considering seeking help after TTC for about 10 years. Because male factor was identified early on, we weren't recommended to go down the IUI route, or even bog standard IVF. Sorry, that's really not much help to you, is it confused

boo thank you m'dear grin I had another first today - stabbing myself in a public toilet. I felt like a bit of a junkie blush

little I well remember tripe whammy friday, and your +OPK the day before. I'd forgotten you needed to pot up your pee so you could get your sticks grin

rubber hope you had a fab holiday! <waves>

If you get a chance to, I highly recommend going to see 'Epic' in 3D - just amazing!!!

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Mon 27-May-13 22:05:06

Hi sorry to have been a bad brooker lately. This will have to be a super duper quick message as I've got a really early start tomorrow.

I wanted to pop by to say good luck for tomorrow Solars ill be brooking all goes well.

Well done on the stabbing Beedle and Geek
shockconfusedsad I can't believe that about the menopur!

Maybe good luck for starting, it's so exciting. Have a lovely time in Italy.

Keep what wonderful news. I'm so happy to hear Kip is doing well grin

Kitty we are unexplained. We have been ttc for 33 cycles (I've just counted it, so bloody depressing) so far we have been offered nothing except IVF . No clomid or IUI, the specialists we have seen have said they don't think either would work for us. We have not been giving reasons why, I think it's mainly due to the consultants own preference on treatment. We were referred for IVF in sept/oct time. We first sought help in sept 2011. I don't know if that is of any help to you or not.

keepitgoing Tue 28-May-13 03:57:37

I did five tests and two blood tests...

kitty we were unexplained, though borderline sperm at the start. The NHS sent us on our way saying we could try iui and ivf, but wouldn't get ivf through them until 3 years. They didnt fund iui in our pct. As you know we are private out here, so decided to do 3xIUI then moved to ivf.

Good luck solars!!! X

BeedlesPineNeedles Tue 28-May-13 05:17:17

Good luck with the first jab maybe

And good luck for egg collection solars

BlindKitty Tue 28-May-13 07:12:09

Thanks guys. I'm just trying to work out whether I'm wasting my time waiting for iui, especially given what the new nice guidelines say. Just don't want to kick off and then not get either! X

SweetieTime Tue 28-May-13 08:16:24

Solars good luck for ec. what time are you having it done?
brooking that there are loads of lovely golden eggs ripe for collection

Good luck Solars smile

Withalittlesparkle Tue 28-May-13 08:48:07

Good luck splats

Withalittlesparkle Tue 28-May-13 08:48:26

Sorry of course I mean Solars!!!

keepitgoing Tue 28-May-13 08:49:13

I think she was in for 6.30 or so, so should be done now. It's over to MrSolars to do his bit now... Go mrS go!!

keepitgoing Tue 28-May-13 08:50:10

kitty does doing iui delay any ivf or are you just able to do it while waiting? Have they ever found any issues?

Solars Tue 28-May-13 10:39:25

Thanks guys for the good luck wishes, means a lot. We got 6 eggs, fingers crossed all goes well now with fertilisation etc. Feeling a little groggy still, so off for a snooze, be back later with more news but we may not hear from the embryologist until tmrw morning.

Hope you all are ok x

keepitgoing Tue 28-May-13 10:43:39

Oh what fantastic news solars!! Well done.

ControlGeek Tue 28-May-13 10:54:07

Well done solars you have most definitely earned a lie down and a snooze. Brooking like crazy that your golden girls and MrS's sexy swimmers boogie the night away.

sparks I really had to laugh - splats?!

Arghh got myself stupidly wound up - got a meeting with dink boss in 10 minutes to go through possible schedule of events and requirements for time off.

SweetieTime Tue 28-May-13 10:55:10

Solars that is great news. 6 is the magic number

go MrS and his super swimmers

<starts fertilisation dance for Solars eggs to form perfect little embies>
<turns up Barry White to help things get jiggy>

SweetieTime Tue 28-May-13 10:56:47

geek take it slowly and just tell the basic. only go as far as you are comfortable with. we are all human.

keepitgoing Tue 28-May-13 11:08:36

We're well practised at our routines now
<shimmies next to sweetie in the fertilisation dance>
<realises that sounds a bit rudey. Ah well>

BeedlesPineNeedles Tue 28-May-13 11:41:57

6 is great solars well done you

<joins the others in the fertilisation dance>

Hope the meeting went OK geek
Despite my earlier agonising over whether or not to tell my boss, I have got this far without saying anything and just booking 3 days holiday for next week. My stabbing appointment I just said I had a doctor's appointment and took 2 hours flextime and on thurs my scan is at 9.15 so I'll just say that I'm coming in late.

ControlGeek Tue 28-May-13 13:06:24

<shimmies in complete with cheerleader skirt and pompoms to join in the fertilisation dance for solars>

Managed to get through the meeting with dink boss with the aid of my trusty spreadsheet grin I don't think I gave too many details away, and he seems happy enough with the time I'm proposing to take off and also that things may change at short notice. He even let me bring forward the week's annual leave like I wanted so that I can have a good cry celebrate the results in private.

BeedlesPineNeedles Tue 28-May-13 13:19:21

excellent news geek glad dink boss didn't give you a hard time

Solars 6 is amazing smile when is transfer day?

Geek well done for getting through the meeting with dink boss, I'm hoping that he managed to book a private room this time.

Withalittlesparkle Tue 28-May-13 17:51:54

Wow Solars 6 is amazing! Can't wait to hear how well they've grown!!!

And geek fabulous news about success with dink boss! It's all coming together rather nicely! Like its meant to be!!!

Yay Solars! Half a dozen lovely eggs! Brooking they take a shine to the swimmers smile

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Tue 28-May-13 22:12:19

Yay Solars 6 eggs! Awesome! <joins in the fertilise eggs fertilise dance>

Geek well done for getting it all sorted with dink boss. He sounds like he is loosing some of his dinkiness, I'm sure he'll redeem himself soon wink

Well AFM I've been super busy with my new job. I've been trying not to stress about it all and failing. I need to learn so much, I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed. I worked in A & E all last week which was a real shock to the system. This week I'm in community so it's the complete opposite. I've been lost a several times today. Oh well at least it's keeping me distracted from the whole ttc malarkey smile

BeedlesPineNeedles Wed 29-May-13 07:05:10

glad the new job is keeping you busy cups even if it is a bit scary. I'm sure you'll feel completely at home there in no time.

Hope the phone call comes early today solars so we you won't be kept in suspense for too long.

<acrries on with the fertilisation dance>

ControlGeek Wed 29-May-13 07:40:14

<pops by quickly to shake pompoms in solars' direction> Brooking for your fertilisation phone call lovely

cups wow, your job sounds very varied! It's horrible when you're still at the learning stage but you'll fly through it and before you know it you'll have it all licked. How is your car now? Did you get the power supply sorted for your satnav?

boo I was the one who called the meeting so I made sure we had a room.

Yes, he did seem very much less a dink and more a real human being yesterday. The problem is, he really is quite a nice person, he's just such a crap manager when it comes to the role. I feel a bit more relaxed knowing I can have the time I need though.

BeedlesPineNeedles Wed 29-May-13 08:06:33

careful geek we can't have you thinking dink boss is a nice guy grin I'm glad it went well yesterday.

MrB told me yesterday that he has told his boss and his colleague that he shares an office with about our treatment. I don't really mind, its good he has someone to talk to ( I have you lovely ladies to give me the support I need). But part of me thinks hmm he didn't want me to tell my boss and now he's told his. And whilst I know that his boss and my boss shouldn't ever discuss these things I'm slightly concerned that his boss will say something thinking that my boss knows (we work for the same company and his boss sits fairly near to me and my boss). Oh well I won't let myself get stressed about it

keepitgoing Wed 29-May-13 09:31:25

Come on ARGC, call! <carries on dancing>

beedle I think its unlikely dh boss would mention it, but even if he does they'll realise they made a boo boo, and he wouldn't say anything to you, iyswim. Good for dh to talk about it too, I'd think.
Yes, don't stress about it. You almost told him anyway, so it doesn't matter.

maybe hope the first stab was ok.

Love to all

Solars Wed 29-May-13 09:44:13

Beedle men are strange creatures, my DH was adamant he was not going to tell any of his colleagues about all of this but with having to take time off at short notice he told a couple of them and found out both of them had also been through ivf! Yes don't let it stress you, just make sure you stay in a good frame of mind.

Geek lovely I'm so glad your talk with dink boss went well, it can make a whole difference to this whole procedure.

Cups I'm sure you will get in the swing of things before you know it.

You guys have done your magic again, I got the call this morning I actually missed their call at about 8:10 so had to wait 'til the main office opened to call back so all 6 have fertilised and are doing well. Transfer may be on Friday or Sunday. They will call me back tmrw to let me know how they are doing. I am tentatively optimistic but it's still early days.

Waves to Maybe, Sweetie, Boo, Sparkes, Gen, Kitty & Keep hope I've not missed anyone

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Wed 29-May-13 09:56:15

Ooh Solars excellent news! <switches to the divide emby divide dance>

Geek I couldn't get my cigarette lighter fixed but I did find an auto electrician who hard wired the power lead into my dashboard. It's still working so far smile however my sat nav couldn't find one of the streets I needed yesterday so I was circling a one way system for ages!

Beedle it's good that DH has someone to talk to about it if he needs to. I wouldn't worry too much, I doubt his boss would say anything. I had to tell my new boss on my first day as part of my risk assessment. Luckily he didn't really know anything about how it works and didn't seem to want to know!

Great news Solars brooking for them to divide!

Cups sounds like you're doing really well, I still manage to get lost with a sat nav blush

Beedle men are strange things aren't they! It is good he is talking to someone though, you have to drag things out of my DH sometimes.

Waves to everyone else.

BeedlesPineNeedles Wed 29-May-13 10:08:16

That's excellent news solars go little embryoes

<joins cups with teh dancing>

You are all correct, I should be glad he's talking to someone hmm

TheLittleFriend Wed 29-May-13 10:15:44

Brilliant news Solars! grin

SweetieTime Wed 29-May-13 10:29:44

Solars great news 100% success rate. you can't get better than that.

ControlGeek Wed 29-May-13 10:32:01

Brillint news solars!!! Breaks out into divide embies divide dance

Not too good at todays scan. Nothing worth writing home about on the left ovary ( the one the could def retrieve from) and just 4 on the right with no guarantee of retrival from it. My uterine polyp has regrown and if it grows much more, or in the wrong firection the may not be able to return the embies ( if we get that far). Got to start on cetrotide tonight and continue with same level of stims til friday. EC def won'y be before next friday now so the schedule I gave dink yesterday needs to go back by two days.

BeedlesPineNeedles Wed 29-May-13 10:49:08

sorry you didn't get good news geek but its still so early, plenty of time for the left ovary to get its arse in gear! Is the next scan on Sat?

<grow follies grow>

keepitgoing Wed 29-May-13 10:51:22

Oh well do.e solars, its looking good for Sunday! Remind us how much better this is than last round already?

geek there's a long way to go, I'm brooking the left wakes up! Don't worry about putting the embys back. If it does grow they could always freeze them till the polyp reduces enough. Argh, though, I'm sorry it wasn't better news.

Solars Wed 29-May-13 11:41:43

Thank you all.

Geek you've still a way to go for follies to grow and as Keep pointed out there are still options for you if the polyp causes a nuisance. I'm brooking like crazy all will still be ok. When is the next scan?

Keep so far it's 200% better than our last cycle!

Cups I have also got lost even with the sat nav hmm

Beedle is it your scan tmrw?

<joins the grow follie grow dance>

Geek there is time for lefty to catch up, I'm brooking like billio for you!! Also brooking that your polyp just stays where it is, doesn't move, doesn't change preferably it can f the f off to the far side of f!!!

BeedlesPineNeedles Wed 29-May-13 12:26:17

wow solars 200% better that is amazing. All those early morning jabs and blood tests and scans were worth it.

Yes you're right scan tomorrow at 9.15

ControlGeek Wed 29-May-13 13:26:32

solars that is amazing!!! I don't think we've had a 100% brooker fertilisation yet, have we? Definitely one for the brooking record book smile Are you doing IVF or ICSI? With eggs and sperm as fertile as that you can't lose grin

beedle that is odd about MrB, maybe he felt he was in a position where it was easier to tell the truth than to not, iykwim? It is good for our chaps to be able to get things off their chest, hopefully it will help. I wouldn't worry too much about his boss and your boss swapping info, I am sure they both understand confidentiality.

cup that's great news about your car, no more dead satnav! Unfortunately they are not foolproof confused

maybe hope you are having a brilliant holiday and that it's a bit warmer and sunnier in Italy than it is here right now!

Thanks ladies, the next scan is Friday afternoon. They didn't have any appointments at all on Friday so have had to double-book me with another lady and will try to squeeze me in between appointments. Even the nurses were very surprised at my low numbers, given my AMH being so high. I know there is still some time to go, EC won't be until a week on Friday at the earliest, but I thought maybe they would at least increase my stim dose (I'm on 150).

Keep they did mention that if it came to it they could freeze whatever grew and put back in an unmedicated cycle, but that my cons may feel I need another op to remove the polyp in advance of doing that.

Solars Wed 29-May-13 16:39:58

Tis early days still, anything can still happen with my embies. Geek they recommended icsi for us because of DH's 'dizzy' sperm last time, when I spoke to the embryologist yesterday, before they started the icsi, they said the sample was good and didn't elaborate any further, so who knows. It is still early days for you and I had quite a big growth spurt towards the end with 2 extra follicles joining the party.

Good luck tomorrow Beedle

Grow, follies grow <ups the dancing a notch with Pom poms and maracas>

By the way the bum bullets started yesterday sad

<joins in follie dance>
fingers crossed solars. sorry your on bum bullets too now, they're not very nice.
oh god I've missed loads.
cups its always hard starting a new job but you'll be at home there in no time!
extra brooking for geek and beedle!
I've just had a scan. 6+4 which is right. I was so relieved when he said there was a heartbeat!
am completely knackered as I bearly slept last night.

BeedlesPineNeedles Wed 29-May-13 18:19:41

That's great news cartoon I'm so happy for you. I know you'll still be anxious till you get past the 12 week scan the rest of the pregnancy or the next 18 years but hopefully you can keep hold of the relieved feeling for a few days.

solars don't worry we know its still early days. But 100% fertilization is a fab place to start.

geek it sounds like they're just being cautious with you. I just keep telling myself that I'm sure they know what they're doing. Perhaps they know you're a brooker and they've taken into account the amazing things we can achieve with our dancing grin

Grow follies grow
Divide embryos divide

BlindKitty Wed 29-May-13 18:32:08

solars I'm so excited for you!!!!

keepitgoing Thu 30-May-13 03:17:24

Good luck for the scan today beedle and hoping for good, and early, news on solars division.

<resumes night shift dancing>

ControlGeek Thu 30-May-13 09:32:04

Good luck beedle!

solars when will you hear about how they are growing? <brook brook brook>

keepitgoing Thu 30-May-13 09:55:46

<hands lead dancer role to geek and collapses in sweaty heap> Phew!

Just had my afternoon nap. Mmmm.

Solars Thu 30-May-13 10:23:17

Hiya, so I just got the call and all embies are still dividing to schedule at this stage, however there is a little fragmentation so average quality and they want to transfer tomorrow. Not sure exactly what time it will be yet, they've asked me to come in for a blood test at 9 and told me to hang around locally.

Keep hope you had a lovely nap.

Beedle hope you're doing good.

Great scan news Face so pleased to hear that, hope you can relax a little.

ControlGeek Thu 30-May-13 10:33:42

ooh solars so - 100% fertilisation rate, and 100% division rate! Amazing smile Do you know how many they will put back in? Brooking like crazy for you xxx

BeedlesPineNeedles Thu 30-May-13 10:37:04

glad they're all still dividing solars and perhaps inside you is the best place for them so good luck for tomorrow

so I had 11 follies mainly between 15-18mm with a few smaller and maybe 1 bigger (I can't remember blush ) Doc was very pleased said i should hope to get 6-8 mature eggs out. Don't know yet if it will be Mon or Tues for EC they'll ring me tomorrow with the decision. So I think we can say its all good here grin definately starting to feel a bit bloated but otherwise I'm fine

keepitgoing Thu 30-May-13 10:38:02

Ooh brilliant news. My embies were all 'average' too...

Great stuff solars! smile

keepitgoing Thu 30-May-13 10:38:56

Ooh well done beedle sounds perfect!

ControlGeek Thu 30-May-13 10:40:36

beedle that is brilliant news!!! Did they say why they don't expect to get an egg from every follie? I thought that you'd get the same number of eggs as follies, bar maybe one or two? <naive emoticon> Will they do another scan before EC?

keepitgoing Thu 30-May-13 10:47:55

Some might be immature, or overcooked geek.

beedle are you eating enough protein?

solars better smack that rat tonight, in the name of science.

<removes boss boots>

Solars Thu 30-May-13 10:49:38

Excellent news Beedle grin

Keep that sure does give me hope.

Geek we're allowed to put back 3 as I'm 40 but will see tomorrow! It's starting to feel a bit more scary now!

keepitgoing Thu 30-May-13 10:54:23

3!! Gulp. Dh sent me a daily fail article of a lady who conceived quins naturally. That was a big belly thinks of sweeties quads

They are a fab clinic solars, so I'd just go with their recommendation I guess.

Scary, but hugely exciting!!

ControlGeek Thu 30-May-13 11:00:39

solars 3!? As keep says, go with their recommendation. Do you know if you would freeze the remainder?

keep I didn't know eggs could overcook sad

I really don't think I am cut out for IVF. There's not been a day since starting the stims that I've not burst into tears over something or nothing. I am worrying over every tiny stupid thing and I'm already convinced this cycle is a fail.

On the plus side, I have EWCM already and think I am giving out some of beedle's take-me-now pheromones as MrG initiated for the first time in months yesterday blush

keepitgoing Thu 30-May-13 11:09:14

beedle bet you're learning a whole new Swedish vocabulary through this... At our scan, on realising I speak some Thai the doctor asked if I wanted her to scan in English or Thai... Tough one! I mean, I know the words for eyes nose mouth, but spinal column, blood flow, nuchal thickness are a bit beyond me grin

BeedlesPineNeedles Thu 30-May-13 11:36:32

probably learning a few new words keep but not ones I could use anywhere else. grin How often do you use the words ovary and fallopian tube in normal conversation grin

geek just so you don't worry about it, my EWCM has reduced the last few days. Sorry you're feeeling so emotional about everything. I'm feelling OK but will probably be a nervous wreck next week and the for the 2ww. Glad you got some of the 'take me now' pheremones too

solars 3 sounds a bit scary but I'm sure they'll advise you about what is best. But seeing as sweetie is leading the way with quads twins you could have triplets grin eek

Solars Thu 30-May-13 11:55:06

Geek one step at a time and I promise you will cope just fine. It's hard but try and stay positive. You will get there just focus on growing those follicles at the moment. I'm not sure about freezing I guess they have to be a certain quality, I'm sure I'll get a better idea tomorrow, I'd like to think that any we don't use tmrw they'll continue to day 5 and see how they fare. I'm just happy we've got something to put back at the moment.

Beedle, Keep DH was all for 3 yesterday morning but come the evening he started to freak grin Depending on how they are tmrw I guess we would put 2 back. The clinic does allow a split transfer so if any make it to day 5 we could potentially put a third back then shock

Solars all 6 fertilized is amazing, and 3 back shock wow!!

<passes Geek a tissue> sorry to hear you're having an emotional time of it, but I'm not in the least surprised you have been waiting so bloody long and it's finally happening for you, I think you would have to be made of stone not to be emotional (and of course the drugs don't help!) Big fat yay for Mr G getting his mojo back grin that's brilliant!!

SweetieTime Thu 30-May-13 18:17:33

Solars great news that all 6 embies are doing so well. I didn't think UK allowed more than 2 to be replaced. Just think very carefully as we are now having a bit of a panic how we will cope with twins octuplets and the child care cost alone are astronomical. Good luck for tomorrow, we had day3 transfer too.

Geek chin up lovely it is only for a short period of time and you have to stay positive

waves to all Brookers

Squeee! So excited for solars! Brooking for the sextuplets!

Beedle, great news re your follies too smile

Geek, I'm sorry you're feeling low, but surely some of that can be put down to the hormones. I am brooking that this cycle will be a success.

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Thu 30-May-13 21:38:47

Solars more good news, I'm a bit shock at the option to put back 3. Due to my age ill only be able to put 1 back I think but to be honest I think if they offered 2 I would say yes despite all the risks. I really don't know what I would say to 3 though! I think as the clinic has such a good reputation I would be tempted to go with whatever they recommend.

Beedle great news on the follies.

<keeps the grow follies grow dance going>

Face I'm so happy about your scan, how lovely to hear a heartbeat. What's the plan for you now? When is your next scan?

Geek bless you, what a rough few days. No wonder your feeling a bit teary. I think with any assisted conception it hits so much harder if thinks don't go exactly to plan. I'm brooking that they can still do everything they need to. You are such a super strong brooker, remember how much you have already been through. You are a fighter, you can do this. Sending you lots of love.

I'm getting towards the dreaded 2ww, god I hope I get accepted on my next AF or I'm going to go crazy. I'm wishing my life away at the minute!

Love to all the other brookers Sweetie, Maybe, Scarlett, Kitty, Little, Gen Keep and anyone else I've forgotten smile

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 31-May-13 07:04:21

good luck for today solars i hope its not too hard to decide how many to put back.

geek good luck for the scan this afternoon, I hope they don't keep you waiting around for too long - though at least you won't need a full bladder grin

I'm definately looking and feeling a bit bloated now, luckily I have some baggy tops so no-one else will notice. I'll get a phone call this afternoon once they have decided if I'm having the eggs out on Mon or Tues. Its all gone so well so far that I'm a bit worried its all going to go horribly wrong

Withalittlesparkle Fri 31-May-13 08:28:12

Good luck Solars! So exciting!!!

And good luck Geeks

And Brooking for everyone else smile

ControlGeek Fri 31-May-13 09:15:49

solars good luck for today's transfer. Your clinic are fab and will make sure you get the right number for you put back. I hadn't realised that any they didn't put back in would go on to grow to day 5 <dim emoticon> I think I assumed they would need to deep freeze on the same day as your ET blush

beedle Brooking for your phone call this afternoon and lots of lovely golden eggs just waiting for collection. Thanks for the EWCM update, I'll not panic when it vanishes, now! Thank goodness for dildocams, I'd hate to have to do all of these scans on a full bladder. Nothing will go wrong for you my lovely, remember you have had The Sign Of The Car Number Plate grin

keep I'm just shock at the idea of a scan in another language, even one you've been learning for a year!

thank you boo <huge nose blow, earthquake felt in Japan, the moon shakes on its axis>

cup I think once you're on the TTC treadmill you are constantly wishing your life away. Brooking like mad that you get accepted this time though. They surely can't make you go through this all over again, especially not when you've spoken the nurses there about it all.

Thank you beedle, solars, boo, sweetie, gen, cup, sparks. I know I'm normally a worrier but this is seriously taking the piss now. I feel like a complete emotional trainwreck and I don't know if it's the stims, or my natural hormones, or just the whole stress of it all. I had a complete meltdown about everything the day before yesterday and was almost ready to throw the towel in on it all. Thankfully, dink boss was unexpectedly out of the office yesterday and I'm leaving about 2.45 today so not too many hours of putting a brave face on things.

Just wondering if anyone else has had dire constipation and sore norks whilst on stims?

keepitgoing Fri 31-May-13 09:27:36

Sore norks, YES.! And I think constipation is v normal too. geek just take it one step at a time. Don't think beyond the next scan.

Good luck solars!!

so excited for solars! good luck.
big hug for geek I'm sure its just all a bit much isn't it your allowed to have a cry. I'm so happy though that finally its happening for you!
cups how's work? my next scan is on the 10th June when I should be 8+2. on all my meds same as before. ill also be scanned at around 11wks by the fetal medicine consultant for like a full 'structural' check on baby.
its all go here isn't it. I keep losing track!
oh beedles phone call later too!

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 31-May-13 09:31:40

geek you're not dim to not realise that they would grow teh eggs to day 5 for freezing, my clinic won't. They will transfer at day 2 and any that they consider good enough for freezing will be frozen then too. though if your clinic does try to go to day 5 they will probably do so for any eggs that might be frozen IYSWIM.

No sore norks here but I think I remember keep saying she had them during stimming (on onwards) so maybe its a good sign grin I have been slightly constipated but I thought it was due to all the eggs I have been eating (for the protein grin )

Sorry you're still feeling so emotional (now I'm feeling a bit of a freak for not being emotional about it at all - see there's always something to worry about hmm )

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 31-May-13 09:33:09

xpost with keep

I didn't just remember she had said something about sore norks 2 minutes earlier grin

ControlGeek Fri 31-May-13 09:46:54

Haha beedle good bit of comedy timing there grin You're not a freak for not being overly emotional, you are doing amazingly well.

Thanks keep, it's good to know this is normal for stims!

aww cartoon big hug back. Well done on your heartbeat, that must be so reassuring for you. Not too long to wait for your next one, either. Brooking for a good one!

keepitgoing Fri 31-May-13 10:00:03

Sore until about 8 weeks, so get used to it!

we're discussing the average age of a brooker next door, so I've come to investigate. am I the youngest at 27?!

ControlGeek Fri 31-May-13 11:20:58

Not sure about keep and maybe, cartoon, but I think most of the rest of us are the wrong side of thirty.

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 31-May-13 11:36:37

I think some of the post grads are quite young cartoon

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Fri 31-May-13 11:47:59

I'm 31, I think Maybe is under 30 and Keep is a similar age to me. I wanted to have my first before I hit the big 30 hmm

Hope everything is going well Solars

Work is going ok, I did some home visits myself the other day which went well. It's my day off so I'm out doing lots of jobs. I just had a panic attack at the bank as I thought my phone had been stolen. I left it in the car blush

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 31-May-13 12:32:33

had my phone call EC will be monday, I think around 08:30 as we have to be there at 07:30.

I'm glad its Monday as I'll get an extra day to recover after they put one back (i hope, at least one will work surely!) on Wednesday as Thur is a holiday here.

Feeling quite excited now grin

ControlGeek Fri 31-May-13 12:40:30

ooh beedle fab news!! How exciting grin and perfect timing for you, with Thursday being a holiday and everything. Oooh brooking for you my lovely! Does MrB have an appointment time for his part or does he do that while you are undergoing EC?

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 31-May-13 12:45:09

Actually I'm really impressed that the days I booked as holiday from work about a month ago have turned out to be exactly the right days shock
MrB has a date with jar at 9am on Monday, you may direct some brooking vibes towards him as he's really not looking forward to it.

Oh and is it bad that I started writing the message to tell you lot about the time for EC before I sent MrB a text to tell him blush grin

ControlGeek Fri 31-May-13 13:08:33

Mwahaha beedle that is so funny about messaging here first! Sounds like fate it bringing everything together for you at just the perfect time. Brooking for MrB, and I am sure MrG would send brooking thoughts his way also if I told him as he's really struggling with having his date with the pot at my EC. In MrG's words, 'my boys don't like the pot sad'

Right, I have booked myself a bikini wax for 12 days after EC, ie the day that AF would be due if I wasn't injecting myself silly, and will shortly be pumping myself full of bum bullets. (Not intentially by the way, that's just the way the dates worked out)

Solars Fri 31-May-13 13:40:16

Thank you everyone I am now PUPO with 3(!!) on board. It was really hard to decide, as this morning both DH and I were saying 2. DH unfortunately couldn't come with me. When I got there the consultant recommended 3, 1 was at 8 cells above average, 1 at 7 cells average and the rest below average with 3 at 5 cells and 1 at 2 cells. She said given my age, endo length of time we'd been trying that 3 would give us the best option and chance of triplets is less than 1%, so having also spoken to DH on the phone we went with 3!!!! Now the dreaded wait, but for now I feel calm and feel that we've given ourselves the best possible chance.

Beedle excellent news on EC on Monday, sounds like timing has worked out perfectly for you.

Geek lovely you will be ok promise. The hormones are also taking effect too.

<Carries on with the grow follie grow dance from a seated position>

SweetieTime Fri 31-May-13 13:47:34

Solars congratulations that it all went well. You have to go with what the consultant recommend. that is what you are paying for. I hope the dreaded 2ww wizzes past for you. do you have any plans apart from sitting with your feet up?

ControlGeek Fri 31-May-13 13:48:42

ooooh solars!!!! That is scary brilliant! Less than 1% is a fair risk to take, and it does give you the very best possible chance of success. The division rate sounds fantastic, too. How does that compare with your last cycle?

<juggles apples as a prelude to the brooking stick-embies-stick dance>

I have beens scouring car number plates looking for my BFP. The nearest I have been able to get is B... ZNP - not quite the message from fate that beedle got, but heck I'm taking what I can get grin

ControlGeek Fri 31-May-13 13:53:41

PS what's PUPO? Not come across that one before...

pregnant until proven otherwise yay! brilliant news.

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 31-May-13 13:59:29

<starts the stick embryoes stick dance for solars >

ooh solars 3 congratulations on being PUPO you do realise we'll be making jokes about sextuplets now I'm brooking my socks off that one or more of them stick. Hope you can rest without stressing about it all for the next 2 weeks, and if you can, can you tell me how to do when its my turn next week?

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 31-May-13 14:01:28

think there should have been a comma in there between 3 and congratulations. You are not limited to 3 congratulations grin

Solars Fri 31-May-13 14:02:55

Sweetie I've not got a whole lot planned unfortunately, I have to go in for a blood test on Sunday as they want to check progesterone levels are doing ok. I've got a bit work which has piled up so will tackle that next week. But I think I'll be reading, cooking, baking and tv watching I think. hopefully not too much googling However I am on a whole new regime of drugs now to be taken throughout the day which I am sure is going to keep me busy in remembering them all!

Geek compared to last time we got 3 eggs, I think it was a 2 or 3 day transfer and I think it was a 3/4 cell embryo, the other 2 had already dwindled by then. So this time was 100 times better than that.

Beedle lovely you will be fine I too have been looking out for BFP number plates

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 31-May-13 14:03:27

geek sorry you haven't found a BFP numberplate - I can't believe you've been looking out for one though grin I'm sure yours is waiting to appear on one of your many sticks.

GreenOlives Fri 31-May-13 14:13:57

You dropped off my TIO whilst I was on my holibobs! What's been going on ladies? You chat too much for me to attempt catching up properly on the last 2 weeks! grin

ControlGeek Fri 31-May-13 14:20:39

thanks cartoon grin

solars wow, that is a staggering improvement since your last cycle. How are you feeling? I'm glad I'm not the only one searching for a BFP on the front of a car hehehe Good luck for your daily drug intake, I hope they treat you kindly.

beedle good point - I stocked up with a couple of extra twinpacks at the weekend, too grin I now have more than enough to do one a day from the day after trigger only half kidding Place your bets as to which one will give me my BFP!

<waves madly to green hope you had a good holiday!>

BeedlesPineNeedles Fri 31-May-13 14:26:11

olives if you go back a few pages geek did a fabulous catch up of where we all are/were then - I'm sure she'll do you an update after her scan which should be happening about now. Did you have a good holiday? was it your big boy on FB with the war wound? If so, I hope he's feeling better

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Fri 31-May-13 14:56:33

Well done Solars PUPO indeed!

Geek how did your scan go?

Beedle I can't believe your holiday has worked out like that. Very lucky indeed smile

Green I saw the pics of your poor boy from holiday. Hope he is feeling better.

I will try to do a round up for you but I'm no Geek grin

Sweetie preggo with twins quads
Keep little kip is doing nicely
Face about 6 weeks, heartbeat seen on scan
Jen surprise BFP
Solars PUPO with 3 embryos on board shock
Geek is currently stimming for ICSI
Beedle is stimming for ICSI (I think) egg collection due Monday
Maybe started down regulation for ICSI this week
Scarlett taking a breather from IUI
Kitty waiting to start IUI
Cup waiting to start ICSI on long protocol either June or July

ummm cups is Jen the same as rubber?

Geek and anyone else who is looking, I have left a little present for you on the FB page grin

Solars Fri 31-May-13 16:05:34

<Dim emotion> I didn't realise it was Friday today, brooking for your scan Geek

Great list Cups

Solars Fri 31-May-13 16:08:04

<dim emoticon > how soon does baby brain kick in??

4-5 hours Solars gringrin

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Fri 31-May-13 16:20:25

Yep I forgot her new mn name.
Solars most definitely baby brain. That's what I'm blaming my earlier "lost" phone on and I'm only 2 dpo!!

did you not get the news over here? sad

Trix I have messaged Cups xx

oh thanks boo wasn't sure whether to say or not confused

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Fri 31-May-13 17:17:04

Oh no, such sad news. Thanks for the message Boo

ControlGeek Fri 31-May-13 17:53:44

Phew, I'm home, finally! Traffic was horrendous and we ended up just over half an hour late to our appointment blush

Righty is still hovering somewhere over the top of my womble, and now has 6 decent sized follicles (about 15 x 18, I can't remember all of the measurements they called out) and a couple of smaller ones.

Lefty has actually grown three follicles! There are also a couple of smaller ones there too.

Womble lining is nice and plump, and the polyp didn't even get a mention today, until I asked if it was causing a problem and they said no. The fibroid's still being a bugger though.

They want me back for another scan on Sunday morning (I didn't even know they did weekend scans for NHS patients!) with the expectation of EC on either Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday next week.

Thanks for all your brooking, once again it proves that it works!

Solars Fri 31-May-13 18:05:06

Great scan news Geek it's all sounding quite positive, I hope this has left you a bit more positive about it all. Go follies, go!

<strikes up the band, gets the nation involved in a grow folly grow dance> grin

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Fri 31-May-13 18:39:12

Awesome news Geek <collapse exhausted from all the dancing>

Great news, Geek!

Solars shock triplets! Did the cons give you the brooker adjusted stats for triplets, or was that 1% for any old wannabe preggo? grin

Munxx Fri 31-May-13 19:45:03

Hello all I have been lurking as always but due to his highness never really able to post.

Such exciting news all round! Delighted about successful scans for Trix and Keep and Sweetie!

Good luck Solars I have a positive feeling!

Great to hear most brokers have things going on!

I'm not on the FB group but I think I can guess what's happened, but could I trouble someone for a PM so I don't it my foot in it?

BeedlesPineNeedles Sat 01-Jun-13 08:23:01

Excellent news geek So glad that lefty has joined the party. I don't think its so strange that you can have a scan at the weekend, I think it would be a pretty poor clinic that was completely shut at the weekend. Mine say they try not to do EC at the weekend (but they will if they really need to) but they do other stuff.
So its all go for both of us next week, we're going to fill up this thread between us with all the time we'll have for stressing grin

I did my final old lady's wee injection last night so its trigger shot tonight, fairly early at 20:15 which is a bit of a pain as we're going to a bbq this evening. So we'll either have to come home early or do the shot in their bathroom eek!

keepitgoing Sat 01-Jun-13 12:21:10

Does it need to be kept cold beedle or is that only if its 38...? Is mrB doing them for you? Yay for being at trigger, and double yay for no drugs tomorrow.

I went to the dentist last week, and one of the questions was 'have you had any drugs in the last six months, if so what'...... I just put 'ivf' not old ladies wee rather than a complete book list.

So pleased the scan was good geek. I too would be more surprised if they didn't do stuff at the weekend.

keepitgoing Sat 01-Jun-13 12:25:16

Oh and solars I'm so excited for you! Well done. And here's brooking the others make the freezer x

Solars Sat 01-Jun-13 13:55:00

Oh no Gen I didn't take into account the brooking factor!! Hope you are ok lovely.

Thanks Munx really appreciate your confidence, hope all is well with you too.

Beedle yes may be a bit tricky if your injection needs to be kept cool. Can you go home and come back for the rest of the BBQ? Good luck and enjoy your day off the drugs tomorrow.

Keep thanks. How much longer 'til you're back here?

I have been doing nothing today, was meant to bake this afternoon but I have just realised I ate the last of the eggs this morning! Contemplating whether I should nip out to the shops now! How's everyone else's day going?

BeedlesPineNeedles Sun 02-Jun-13 09:09:46

Trigger shot done without any problems last night. The weather has been really nice so I was wearing shorts, and then at the right time I decided I was getting a bit chilly and went to change into the jeans I had with me. Giving me an excuse to spend a longer time in the bathroom with a bag. I kept it cool with an ice pack.

geek hope the scan goes well and they can tell you when to trigger.

solars hope you're continuing with the resting. You shouldn't be doing too much in your condition grin

munx and gen nice to see you both here hope your little ones are doing well.

Withalittlesparkle Sun 02-Jun-13 10:04:44

Beedle that couldn't have worked out any better really could it?

Geek good luck with today's scan

keepitgoing Sun 02-Jun-13 10:07:28

Hope you didn't leave your needles in their bathroom bin smile

ControlGeek Sun 02-Jun-13 10:25:01

beedle now that's what I call a perfect plan! Well done on your trigger shot, and good luck for Monday's EC.

Just getting ready to go for my scan now, really hoping some of the smaller ones have joined the party. Feeling pretty heavy down there at the moment, so keeping everything crossed!

Withalittlesparkle Sun 02-Jun-13 10:47:30

Geek are you heavy because you're just full of sexy follicles? smile

grin @ sexy follies

Sits patiently waiting for Geeks news.

ControlGeek Sun 02-Jun-13 13:22:03

sparks you don't know the half of it, these sexy follies are keeping me up half the night with their antics smile

I've now got 9 on the right and 5 on the left. One is at the right size but they would like for a couple of the others to catch up, so I have another scan booked for 9.30 tomorrow morning with EC probably taking place on Wednesday, depending on the scan.

I knew there was an issue with accessing the right ovary, but it looks like there might now be an issue with accessing the left, too. They've not been able to find either ovary with the dildocam for two scan appointments now, and they've had to use a tummy scan to measure the follies. Apparently this means they may not be able to collect eggs from either. Won't know til they try though.

Lovely folly news, I'm sure they wouldn't put you through the effort of trying to collect if they didn't think they could get there??!

Withalittlesparkle Sun 02-Jun-13 15:34:18

Get they'll find a way to collect those eggs, brookers promise!!!

ControlGeek Sun 02-Jun-13 16:07:54

Thank you boo and sparks I really hope so. Also found out this weekend MrG's job is a bit in the balance (as in he may not have it for more than another three months) so having lots of wobbles at the moment.

Solars Sun 02-Jun-13 16:37:23

Well done Beedle on triggering! And good luck tomorrow, look forward to your update!

Great follie news Geek I'm sure they will be able to retrieve them, if they didn't think they could, they wouldn't have let you get this far. They'll find a way! Brooking for MrG's job too.

Crikey Geek that's a worry <ups brooking to include Mr G's job>

Solars Sun 02-Jun-13 17:05:48

Oh yes I read this in the papers this morning and it freaked both me and DH out shock

ControlGeek Sun 02-Jun-13 17:18:23

solars I saw that too, and thought of you and sweetie grin

Thanks boo I think we're going to need a bit of brooking in that direction.

solars my left ovary has gone on a bit of a wander since they started, and heads further away between each scan, so it seems! Hopefully they can manipulate while I'm under GA otherwise I don't know what my options would be.

They will sort it Geek they may need to play hide and seek or hunt the ovie but I'm brooking no argument they will do it!

So Solars 3 eggs returned, you could be the mummy of the Solars 6 gringrin

Beedle when is your collection day?

Sorry not keeping up well over here, you're all so bloody busy working towards your BFP's I can't keep up. <wafts a bit of baby K's newborn smell over the thread, offers her out for cuddles>

Withalittlesparkle Sun 02-Jun-13 17:44:11

Oh boo so much going on for you guys!! MrG will be fine

Withalittlesparkle Sun 02-Jun-13 17:44:34

Bugger that last message was for Geek not boo

SweetieTime Sun 02-Jun-13 20:22:32

Beedle well done with the covert trigger shot and good luck for tomorrow. Hope MrB gets on ok with his JIAJ too.

Geek gosh it sounds like it is all happening for you too. Are the clinic hopefully they will be able to retrieve some eggs? You sound like you have produced a good number. I am sure they will have a way of getting to them especially of you are having GA. Fingers crossed for MrG and the job situation too.

Solars how are your other embies coming along? How are you feeling about things now apart from terrified after reading that article Hang onto the 70m-1 odds.

Hope everyone else is doing well, I am Brooking for you all

keepitgoing Mon 03-Jun-13 04:13:13

Good luck for today beedle!

solars did any embies make the freezer? When are you going to test?

geek they'll get to your ovaries. They will, they will, they will. I mean, it cant have gone all that far!? I'm sorry mrG's job looks to be in trouble, that might muck up the spreadsheet...

BeedlesPineNeedles Mon 03-Jun-13 05:16:38

geek I'm sure they'll get to some of your eggs, you can't be the first person this has happened to. Hope it all goes well with Mrg's job, what hideous timing.

keep we ate Chinese yesterday, if I had thought about it earlier I would have chosen Thai food as it helped you get your BFP didn't it grin

Ok off for EC soon, please send some brooking vibes to mrb at around 8am (your time) and for any early risers brooking vibes for me a bit earlier that all my eggs haven't hatched prematurely. Will let you know numbers etc this afternoon. Now I'm off to drink some more water so my body doesn't notice I'm missing breakfast!

keepitgoing Mon 03-Jun-13 05:37:16

Brookety brook brook brook beedle x

Brooking like billio for you both Beedle smilesmile

Solars Mon 03-Jun-13 07:27:47

Sweetie I'm feeling quite nervous about it all but trying to keep calm, just really want things to work this time as not sure where we would go from here.

Keep we've still got 1 embie with us and they will let us know if it's suitable to freeze later on today. Test date is the 12th!! Eek!

Brooking for you Beedle & MrB

Good luck with your scan again today Geek hope you get to trigger tonight! They will sort out what's needed to be done so don't worry!

ControlGeek Mon 03-Jun-13 07:38:53

Beedle brooking like crazy for you and for MrB!

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Mon 03-Jun-13 09:00:11

Hope everything went ok Beedle

Geek fingers crossed they can get to the wandering ovary. I'm brooking for MrG too

BeedlesPineNeedles Mon 03-Jun-13 11:39:29

We got 12 eggs grin grin

I think mrb sperm may have been a bit crap but I'm sure they can find 12 in there.

They won't let me know tomorrow how everything is going, we have to wait until we go in on wed pm for them to put one back. Unless it goes hideously wrong and we don't have any embryos, then they'll call us wed lunchtime shock

Feeling a bit sore but not too bad. Thanks for all the brooking.

NoCupcakesOrCocktails Mon 03-Jun-13 11:55:56

Wow 12 eggs Beedle that's fantastic grin

wow beedle amazing. hope the soreness doesn't last too long.

SweetieTime Mon 03-Jun-13 12:12:27

woo hoo Beedle well done on 12 eggs. hope they are all getting jiggy now. roll on Wednesday

12?! It seems like sniffer dogs is the way to go grin

what are these 'sniffer dogs'?

BeedlesPineNeedles Mon 03-Jun-13 12:53:53

cartoon i had to spray the downregging drugs up my nose, so they were sniffer drugs which became sniffer dogs grin

I have to say 12 is more than I had thought possible. And as you say sweetie I hope they're all getting jiggy with it grin

ControlGeek Mon 03-Jun-13 13:10:08

Oooh beedle 12!!! That's amazing!!! Brooking like crazy that they get jiggy with MrB's swimmers. Hope you don't feel sore for too long, and are able to get a bit of rest and put your feet up while you can.

I had a bit of a shock in the scan - my right ovary has gone a bit mental! They measured 13 on there, but counted 21 - just on the one ovary! The left still has 5 and they don't appear to have grown since yesterday's scan.

Righty has finally dropped with the weight of all those golden eggs, and the nurses both said that it looked like they can now access it for egg retrieval <cue massive sigh of relief from me when the said this>

Unfortunately, my body's responded so well that they decided it was a good idea to check my estradiol levels, and I've just had the call back to confirm that these are at 22,900. They won't do EC until they have dropped to at least 16,000, so I'm back to playing a waiting game. I have to stop the stims completely, and just keep up with the cetrotide to prevent early ovulation. I need a scan and blood test tomorrow morning, and they have warned me they are expecting to see my E2 levels rise even though I won't be taking any more stims. They should then plateau, and finally drop. I will need daily blood tests to monitor my levels.

So on that basis, I have absolutely no idea when EC will be - but I'm reasonably confident that we will now get eggs! As a rough guide, every 1000 units of E2 represent one egg so I've got potentially 23 of the blighters floating round! Not sure what happens when the E2 levels drop - will the eggs die off? No idea. But they've said it's no reason to cancel the cycle, we just need to coast for a bit until the E2 is more reasonable.

Sorry for the seriously mememe post.

Love and brooking to all, and thank you for the brooking vibes sent in my direction - they are obviously working overtime!!!

ah ok its a spray! I get it now blush .
wow geek some of that's a bit over ny head, but sounds good. I'm brooking for both you and beedle
solars how are you? I'm waiting for your bfp announcement!

keepitgoing Mon 03-Jun-13 15:43:11

Oh beedle well done you!! But what makes you think the sperm weren't brill? Anyway, its icsi. Gosh I can't believe they don't call tomorrow! Rest up.

geek Omg, that's pcos for you... I don't think the eggs die off as it drops, but I don't think people coast for too long usually. If its still high they can collect and not transfer. You will have a high risk of ohss once you trigger, so drink lots and lots. So pleased the heavily laden ovary is in a better place. Wowee!

keepitgoing Mon 03-Jun-13 15:44:29

Drink water, not wine... Tut tut.

ControlGeek Mon 03-Jun-13 16:12:01

keep no, I'm sure they meant drink lots of wine grin

Wow Beedle, a dozen eggs all getting amorous with Mr b's swimmers. Brooking for them!

And Geek, all that brooking has paid off for your ovaries! Brooking for levels to drop so EC won't be delayed too much.

Brooking for everyone else too, especially Solars and the triplets !

Solars Mon 03-Jun-13 21:40:27

Beedle that is fantastic news, well done you, I hope you can relax now until wednesday! I too can't believe the clinic don't even give you an update tmrw. MrB must also be relieved his duties for now are over.

Geek great to hear things are moving on and that there's still lots of hope this cycle will work out just fine.

Luckily work has kept me busy today and I also managed to have a bit of me time too this afternoon and relax.

Waves to Gen & Face I'm good thanks, I'm on the prednisolone now so worried I may be getting the round face soon!

Withalittlesparkle Mon 03-Jun-13 21:50:33

Brooking for everyone, especially Geek and Beedle and of course Solars round the corner BFP (Brooker triplets woooo)

keepitgoing Tue 04-Jun-13 06:35:55

beedle hoping your eggs have all fertilised overnight. Are you off work today? Feeling OK?

solars just 8 days max

BeedlesPineNeedles Tue 04-Jun-13 07:30:47

Me too keep though in a way the clinic not telling us anything does sort of reduce the stress. If they told us that only, say 4, had fertilised I would spend the whole time worrying that it was all going to go wrong. As it is I can try not to think about it much
My insides are a bit sore, and I seem to already be full of gas blush and I look rather bloated but I feel well enough to do some work from home today.

Oh and you asked why I thought mrb's sperm were a bit crap, it was because they made him go back to the masturbating room to do another JIAJ. He did say there wasn't much for his first attempt, but he thought he was going to die when they asked for some more 30 mins later. But he managed to do it again which I'm very impressed about. They then made us wait around for ages, even though I was well enough to go home, until we heard from the lab that they were satisfied. I think they just wanted the best possible sperm, not that they couldn't find 12 in the first lot. Mrb says he may never recover grin

geek hope you don't have to wait too long for EC, and I do hope they can get to the ovary with the millions of eggs. Though I don't like to think how sore your insides will be feeling after they have done EC and battered you about to get to both ovaries. I hope they give you more than paracetamol afterwards. But with that many eggs you'll hopefully get enough embryos that you'll never have to do it again.

The clinic has told me I must not test until 16 days after egg transfer ha ha ha

ControlGeek Tue 04-Jun-13 07:42:10

beedle OMG poor, poor MrB blush He is such a trooper managing to give them seconds though. Oh bless him. I can't begin to imagine MrG managing to do that even though he mostly missed the jar the first time he had to JIAJ and had to scrape it up off the floor AND, AND, does your clinic know nothing about brookers? 16 days for pity's sake???? After transfer???????? I think you're right on the stressing less side of things. You already know what day they are going back in, so there isn't the need for constant updates like when they aren't sure. Really hope you feel better soon and that the bloating goes down. Drink lots and lots of water (even though this will make you feel more bloated in the short term).

<shimmies along in the fertilise eggs fertilise, divide embies, divide dances for beedle>

<moves smoothly into the stick embies stick dance for solars>

solars when is your test day (official or otherwise)? Oh, and did you find out whether it was IVF or ICSI in the end?

Solars Tue 04-Jun-13 08:48:38

Beedle poor MrB and really 16 days after transfer Ours is 15 days after egg collection. Do they give you a test or do you have to go in for a blood test? Also are you on the bum bullets now too?? Hope you start to feel less sore and bloated, plenty of rest for you dear.

Geek we had icsi in the end even though they said the sample was good. Test date is the 12th! I think I'm too scared to test before then.

Bonjourno brookers! I have missed you all! Though I have been lurking to see how youare all doing!

It's so busy in here! Solars, Geek and Beedle you a all steaming ahead! I cannot wait for all these BFPs that are going to be rolling in soon!

Sorry for the lack of name checking brookers, but I am brooking for you all. Hope your levels have dropped nicely today Geek.

So, I don't think down regging agrees all that much with me. The first 5 days were pretty nasty, hives, constant weeing and this mad feeling like I was on edge. Couldn't sit still. Luckily that's died away to leave me intense tiredness and fatness. Still another 2 weeks of this to go. My poor stomach is already blue from the injections. But Italy was amazing, the wedding was beautiful, and I am one very proud big sister grin

keepitgoing Tue 04-Jun-13 08:57:59

Omg beedle I am so impressed at mrB, what is he really 18? Poor thing, talk about pressure. I'm brooking he never has to do that again.

maybe! Good to see you and glad you had a lovely time. I'm sorry the downregging is bad, I think stimming is much easier, so hang in there.

My OTD was 14dpEC, but you may remember I had faint lines. solars I guess you have a blood test lined up? I was also too scared to test before good thing too but wanted to know before the afternoon blood test. As we all know sweetie tested v early, but then she is having quads twins.

solars is that ad in the best day to test or the earliest date you could test?

BeedlesPineNeedles Tue 04-Jun-13 09:31:16

I've just checked the paperwork again and it says 15 dpt but I'm sure the nurse yesterday said 16. Whatever I am not testing and then going straight to work, so I'll probably test next Sunday which will be 13 dpc, then if its negative I can kid myself its too early

maybe glad you had a lovely time, sorry you've been feeling so rough on the downregging drugs.

solars no bum bullets here, just some progesterone gel that I have to insert inside me with a strange thing that looks bit like a tampon applicator. But I don't get any waxy leakage like I have read other people complaining about. And they want me to move around after inserting it as it will help my body absorb it hmm

keep no he's not 18 but I think he wished he was yesterday. They had warned us that we would have to wait around and he might have to give 2 samples but we didn't think it would or could happen.

I don't think they do blood tests on me, maybe if its positive they might, I'll have to ask tomorrow.

keepitgoing Tue 04-Jun-13 10:25:20

Ooh crazy Swedish progesterone. I think next Sunday will be fine with a decent test.
It sounds like a second sample is not that uncommon there then. I've never heard of it in the UK though.

Beedles I think my clinics policy is the same as yours, 15 days post transfer. I also have the progesterone gel. No bum bullets for me either!!

Keep I hope you're right about the stimming being kinder! How is mini keep cooking? When are you coming back to the UK?

keepitgoing Tue 04-Jun-13 11:56:24

Good I think maybe! At the stage where you don't look pg, and feel better, so its quite weird... Only 7 weeks till we come home! Can't wait!