The Elderberry Pavlovas, sausage bouquets, one giant sofa and the Gü pots of destiny! (thread 9)

(994 Posts)
Bunnygirlie Sun 21-Apr-13 22:56:49

Come on ladies, this is the one! Time for some BFPs!

The smallprint- Berries have a strict entrance criteria (TTC #1, over 30, TTC for 3+months, must have a special pot, NO instadiffers)

Bunnygirlie Sun 21-Apr-13 22:57:42

No need for a list but how about everyones first post is a refresher on where we all are in this sometimes hideous TTC journey?!?

BoodIeBee Sun 21-Apr-13 23:13:45

Pouffe of Possibility <Snigger>. Can I sit on it, pleeeeeeeease?

As a refresher, I am cycle 21/22 of TTC (so long I can't even remember). Have recently seen FC and I am booking an HSG for next month and getting more bloods to check progesterone and prolactin this month. Due to see FC again in early July.

Tallyra Sun 21-Apr-13 23:18:01

#Bounces in on the sausage shuttle and bounds hopefully onto the pouffe of possibility, falls off and ends up just about nearly on the sofa of pity...

I've been ttc since 2009 or is it 2010? I forget now. 3 mmc, including hospital trips for re-hydration each time. Waiting for appt with gynae at hospital to see if there is any reason for mmc before we're 'allowed' to try again. Appointment is not til June sad

happylass Australia Sun 21-Apr-13 23:19:42

<marks spot on lovely new thread>. Thanks Bunny

Cycle 9 for me. AF due May 9th. Off to the GP for my referral if his one doesn't come up trumps. Getting married August 2014 so need to get upduffed soon to avoid walking down the aisle looking like a beached whale!

Found you all!!!
Cycle 17 here, HSG next month, internal scan and next fc appointment to follow up in July. Short luteal phase so trying vitamin b6 this cycle as won't get sweeties clomid until July and I'm not good at waiting grin .

Frogcatcher Mon 22-Apr-13 07:29:49

<yaaawn. Crawls out if her very comfy berth ugh almost typed birth then on the overnight sleeper sausage shuttle>
Morning berries! Cycle 6 but varying cycles & yet to pinpoint O. Off to docs if nothing happens this cycle due to advanced years (36) & the horror stories of all the waiting & useless GPs. angry

Frogcatcher Mon 22-Apr-13 07:32:13

Oh & it's shag fortnight for me (a week just don't cover it when you're cycles range from 25 to 34 days baby) grin

Bajas Mon 22-Apr-13 07:43:25

Morning all. Cycle 9 I think. 3dpo (1st time I know- yay for temping) but no chance I'm pg this time as didn't dtd in the right time.

Good news- dad getting out of hosp today! This means we have a 5 hour drive to get him and mum home (was in my db's when sick) and then another 3 hours to get us home so we'll be exhausted but happy at work tomorrow!

Morning everyone!
<plonks bouquet in the sausage vase on the shuttle mantle piece>

Nice ümlaut, bunny!

Me- I am on around cycle 11. Had mc last year and since developed hypothyroidism, so am now a regular drug user and frequently found being drained of blood.

yorkiebilb Mon 22-Apr-13 07:55:37

Morning berries!

Cycle 9 for me. Had mmc in December. Off to the docs this afternoon to try and persuade them to do some blood tests.

BookTart Mon 22-Apr-13 08:14:38

Ooh, shiny new thread - make space on the sofa of pity for me! I've been ttc since Dec 2011, lots of tests last month and back to the fc in May to see what happens next. 2DPO here, so most of the 2ww ahead. Expect much wailing and POAS action ;)

Bunnygirlie Mon 22-Apr-13 08:21:03

Morning all! Glad you made it! grin

I have been TTC since June 12 (ugh so cycle 11 here), will be first for me and hubby, just having basic blood tests at docs, day 1 results fine, need to ring for day20 results and hubby should get jizz test results back this week!

CD29 here, by missing my reflexology appointment I think I may have messed up my regular cycles!

Frogcatcher Mon 22-Apr-13 11:46:39

bunny did you find reflexology really helped then? How did you find a practitioner? I had a quick google but no idea how to tell a good one from bad!

BombasticPeanut Mon 22-Apr-13 12:46:27

Aaaaah here you all are! Overslept due to boozy overindulgence and missed the shuttle, had to run after it waving my sausages! Can I wiggle onto a squishy bit of the sofa, my head hurts..

Right, are we updating? TTC since May 12, instadiffed but then MC in Aug, since then cycle between 1wk and 3 months. Awaiting probable PCOS diagnosis from incompetent GP/consultant combo. CD13ish today, doing a boodle and waving legs in the air to retain swimmers as I type.. <eyes up pouffe of possibility as a good place to prop>

bajas excellent to hear your dad's on the mend!

yorkie good luck at the docs! Make sure you quote lots of guidelines at them, beat them at their own game smile

Bunny CD29...have you pimped?

Hi everyone,

Can I ask a question on behalf of a lovely MN friend? She's been ttc for well over a year now but is under 30 so I'm asking on her behalf.

Basically her cycles have recently gone dooollally. Just totally unpredictable so now she's on day 50something and before had a really short one.

She saw the doc who took bloods and they all came back ok. She's been told she can go for a scan but the appointment will take months, and has received no other information or advice.

Ive mentioned the acupuncture for regulating cycles but does anyone have any other advice about things she should try or fight for at this stage?

Thank you wise berries x

SidneyBristow Mon 22-Apr-13 12:53:32

<squeezes onto the sofa of pity and hopes there's a cozy blanket to --hide under--share>

TTC since July '12 here, so cycle 10, all tests normal. This cycle will likely be a bust as DH cocked up the main days of shag week. OTOH maybe doing it less & at the wrong times is a unique new approach worth pursuing hmm

SidneyBristow Mon 22-Apr-13 12:54:43

argh can't even get the strikeout thing right, WAIL! blush here, I'll take one of these biscuit

yorkiebilb Mon 22-Apr-13 13:04:38

Thanks peanut what guidelines should I be quoting?! I was just going to go along, probably end up crying and hope for the best!

thunder is your friend taking any kind of supplements at all? A friend of a friend wasn't having a period for ages and her fc recommended flaxseed oil. After a few months she started getting her periods regularly again. Maybe she could try that? For the past few cycles I've just started taking epo up until ovulation and then flaxseed oil from ovulation until my period to try and regulate my cycle a bit.

BombasticPeanut Mon 22-Apr-13 13:21:15

Well yorkie I'm so glad you asked, would you like my crib sheet that I'm going to take to the docs with me in the morning (no word of a lie, it has highlighted bits and everything!) It's mega! But then again only really pertains to those who think they have PCOS. I'd just have a read of the NICE guidelines and see if any of it is relevant to you and know what you're entitled to before you go, otherwise you'll get the brush-off. You'll probably hit the same wall I did, that they want you to ttc for a year after the mc before doing anything angry!

thunder she's entitled to a referral to the FC if it's been over a year. I also have dodgy cycles and they (GP) took my bloods and said everything was ok, but then took some more bloods and said everything wasn't ok, before then taking even more bloods and not telling me whether they were ok or not because they're incompentent If she has dodgy cycles then they may well have tested on the wrong day, eg they need to do her progesterone levels 7 days before a period and not on day 21 etc. Do you know what was tested for and when?

sid I've got chocolate eclairs. I was going to guzzle them both but I'll share, just don't tell the others. We can hide under the blanket.

just popping onto your new thread to say hi and wish you all the best of luck smile

Thank you yorkie and peanut. I don't think she's taking any supplements so will pass that on. Has the flaxseed helped you yorkie?

And how on earth do you do tests 7 days before af when you have no idea at all when it might come? I'm not sure what they tested for but I will ask her.

Now then <sniffs the air> do I smell...-<sniff sniff> chocolate?? Choux pastry?? Cream??

yorkiebilb Mon 22-Apr-13 13:36:38

Thanks v much peanut anything would help! I'll have a look at the guidelines now. If I can quote from guidelines rather than my own personal feelings I'm sure that will help me put my point across better. Good luck with your appt tomorrow!

yorkiebilb Mon 22-Apr-13 13:54:30

thunder I've only used it for one full cycle so haven't seen much change yet but this woman swore by it for helping her get her period back and they had been having problems conceiving for a long time.

SidneyBristow Mon 22-Apr-13 13:54:48

mmm eclairs! God's perfect sugar delivery mechanism. Thanks Peanut!

Thyroid alert you berries who know about thyroid stuff, my bloodwork came back with TSH of .75. Receptionist said normal level is .27 - 4.2, but now I'm reading online that optimal TSH for TTC is between 1 and 2, and that results higher or lower can create problems getting pregnant.

Is this true? Do I need to see the GP again to remind her that TTC was the whole point of the test? confused

Tallyra Mon 22-Apr-13 13:55:03

would you like to snuggle under a quilt? I'm making one that I can't work out what to use it for, so maybe it should be for the sofa of pity... www.soliloquilt.blogspot.com

BombasticPeanut Mon 22-Apr-13 14:00:20

thunder chocolate? Really? I can't smell anything <wipes whipped cream moustache off surreptitiously>

I guess they'd just have to do the bloods every week and then refer back when a period starts. If they were sensible. Obviously they don't actually do that.

yorkie I shall put my super-duper-multi-coloured crib sheet up and then if anything on it is helpful for you pinch away!

Just phoned the gynae clinic again They still haven't sent me an appointment to discuss blood results, and still don't know who I am or what I want when I phone up to see if they've chased it. It's only been 5 weeks after all <does the angry ANGRY dance>

BombasticPeanut Mon 22-Apr-13 14:02:07

Oooh tally LOVE it. It's a perfect pity sofa quilt/eclair-munching disguise!

yorkiebilb Mon 22-Apr-13 14:03:10

Your quilts are lovely tally you are v creative. Yes yes I'll gladly snuggle under one as I'm cold!

yorkiebilb Mon 22-Apr-13 14:27:08

Thanks v much peanut my appt have been moved to later on this afternoon now so am now sat on my sofa twiddling my thumbs working very hard

Frogcatcher Mon 22-Apr-13 14:30:30

That is just beautiful tally. I have been pondering whether to take up knitting or something as I spend a lot of time travelling on trains now & whilst I pretend I'm working I'm more likely just playing on my phone. It seems wrong to spend an hour & a half a day (at least) reading when I could be creating something.

BombasticPeanut Mon 22-Apr-13 14:38:29

yorkie I put the crib sheet up as a picture on my profile, it's not great quality but just about readable hmm

Just had a phonecall back from the clinic. It was very snotty, Yes Mrs Nut we HAVE written to your doctor (they haven't) and Yes your results were normal (errr no they weren't) and Yes we WILL book you that scan we promised you of course we were going to do that not and Yes we HAVE discharged you back to GP care but if you still aren't pregnant a year from NOW then the doctor will happily see you again.

Couldn't argue with her on the medical points because she's just the secretary. But still practically in tears on the phone. A year from now? I have to keep trying for another year before any bugger will give me a break??

Excuse me while I curl up and cry under tally's pity quilt...

yorkiebilb Mon 22-Apr-13 14:54:36

Grrrr v annoyed for you peanut you must be so frustrated. Can you not ask to speak to the consultant directly about the results if you're not happy or have you already tried that one? I would still keep on phoning them about the scan until they are fed up of you asking and book it. Poor service...stoopid snotty secretary.

Err how do I view someone's profile as I have never done that before? I tried clicking on peanuts name but it won't let me do anything. Thanks!

SidneyBristow Mon 22-Apr-13 14:57:35

Aww Peanut <<<hugs>>> Anyone would be upset by that. A flipping year?? All I can think is that these people who are so blase about TTC must not ever have experienced it first-, or second-hand. They just can't know the stranglehold TTC can take on a woman's life, relationship, career, friendships, familial relationships... hell we're only on thread 9 and have seen the angst caused in these areas, and there are maybe only 25 of us? No way could the receptionist be one of our tribe. If so she'd know the idea of another year of this is unthinkable.

Any chance she was just plain wrong? If she said your results were normal when they weren't, maybe she was giving you the wrong spiel?

Tallyra Mon 22-Apr-13 15:33:09

thank you guys. I always curl up under a quilt now I make them. it makes everything just that bit cozier.
I don't do any fact hand stuff like knitting or crochet, but I suppose I could take a drop spindle with me to places if I really wanted to spin on the go. can't recommend anything for travelling really!
hugs peanut. that woman sounds like she needs a bit of time here on the thread for a bit of perspective. Here, have this Cadbury caramel bunny that the ladies in the office were eating and I sneaked out while they weren't looking. wink

yorkiebilb Mon 22-Apr-13 17:37:09

peanut hope you're okay and thanks for your help earlier.

I went to my appt and I really can't fault the doctor. She was v young but so lovely and as soon as I explained everything she just said that she wanted to get some blood tests done for me and sa on DH. I asked her if thyroid was included as my mum has an underactive thyroid and she just added it to the blood test request no problem. She said that she would refer me in June if no luck before then or sooner if I wanted to come back before June. She said they are normally told 18 months ttc before referral but that she wasn't going to count the months.

Afternoon all.

peanut that is shite. Firstly that kind of rudeness is just not neccessary and is totally out of whack, particularly considering the subject matter. Secondly a year is just not acceptable. So what- they look harder if you go back in a year's time or something? Look harder now you idiots.

tally if she came on this thread she would get her arse kicked!

yorkie hooray! A helpful real person doctor! So when are the tests? Normally bloods come back pretty quick.

yorkiebilb Mon 22-Apr-13 18:14:26

I know! I went in ready to argue my points and she was just so nice. I'm not used to it either as have had some truly hideous doctors that just make me cry and feel like a naughty teenager.

I'm on cd 4 at the mo so will be going in a few weeks as having a progesterone test. she said that because my cycles can be shorter I should go earlier so cd18 I guess. I'm really pleased she understood that as I know some people here have had a hard time persuading their doctors that a cd21 test is not necessarily suitable for their cycle length.

PuppyMummy Mon 22-Apr-13 18:35:32

hi everyone. marking my place for this months trial!

cd 10 here. so far dtd 7,8 and will do 10,11 then eod after that til we can't be bothered cd 21!

my update- cycle 16, fertility checks in progress, next appointment June...
on the plus side I have signed up for race for life 10k again this yr so am upping my running which will give me something else to think about for a while!

BlindKitty Mon 22-Apr-13 18:48:47

bunny thanks for new thread!

boombastic lol at your 'crib'. I tend to have notes on my iphone. Each time I see the FC, she roles her eyes when I take out my phone as she knows whats coming grrr

ttc 23 months, no real reason other than dh morph slightly low. iui hopefully starting June. Ironic pre IUI BFP due as a result of hol to Thailand next month!

Frogcatcher Mon 22-Apr-13 19:02:31

Aw hugs peanut. I think there is some special training course where they teach medical receptionists & secretaries to be absolutely vile. At my drs you have to cry on the phone to get the heartless cows to let you see the doctor.

<leaves the sofa humming Shaggy lyrics & showing her age after blinds interpretation of peanut's name>

BombasticPeanut Mon 22-Apr-13 19:07:18

Thanks for the sympathy everyone (and for the choc bunny tally - it has been snaffled!) I think I was just upset because basically she said everything I didn't want to hear. Have GP appt in the morning so will raise all my concerns then and see if I can't get something moving. A new FB pregnancy announcement from a coursemate just made the whole thing even worse so had a breakdown. Off to the gym now to punch something.

yorkie glad your doctor is not an evil robot! x

Bunnygirlie Mon 22-Apr-13 19:08:40

frog ref reflex, I started mapping my cycles about a year ago, they were pretty varied as you can see -  30, 33, 36, 35, 28, 31, 31, started reflex 29, 29, 29, 28 - it also helps with my IBS and I just feel more relaxed. I found mine via a recommendation from a friend when I asked saying it was for IBS, it was only after I booked that I realised she specialised in fertility!
 
Peanut Nope i didn't, I'm too scared!
 
Thunder I recommend reflexology for regulating cycles too!

BlindKitty Mon 22-Apr-13 19:24:15

frog tbf 'bombastic' is waaaaay better than 'peanut'. It even has its own theme tune!!!!!

peanut Sorry to hear your fc was shit! The same thing happened to my friend who has ended up going private. I slag my fc off but I know I should be grateful that she hasn't discharged me

Bunnygirlie Mon 22-Apr-13 21:11:25

Quiet in here tonight (stretches out on sofa and puts feet up) has everyone gone to watch the fab Broadchurch?!?

Pipbin Japan Mon 22-Apr-13 21:19:35

Oh I see. I go off to put everything I own in boxes and you all nick off to a new thread.
IVF appointment tomorrow but I think AF will be here too. Moving out of our house on Thursday and into the new on Saturday.
Haven't read the end of the last thread, how is Merk?

Have you got clothes on, bunny? <peeks through fingers>

Gosh busy week pip, how's the packing going? merk is quiet at the mo so you didnt miss owt I don't think.

Cate555 Mon 22-Apr-13 21:29:49

Evening all brew bunch up for a very elder berry (38)
TTC cycle 6 although haven't really been counting, married 4 years. CD11 temping and OPK no sign of Ov this cycle yet. Hoping to try reflexology. Words of wisdom from doctor "get on with it and come back see me in 6 months"

Busy day at work, spent all lunchtime trying to ignore/cajole/assist a child in my class who was screaming and wailing at me. I've got the water-off-a-duck's-back response down to a tee now..... Would have been more helpful to actually have managed to mark some of the literacy books rather than merely attempting to while studiously ignoring the two-year-old temper tantrum from the eight year old girl. Oh well. Fingers crossed tomorrow morning is better and I have lunchtime to get work done rather than tend to more tantrums.

mrs bombastic Peanut I think you deserved a tantrum today, I know I would have had one after that phone call flowers

Off to have a bath. Still in running kit having returned home from my run and immediately had dinner followed by long conversation with friend who has been ttc longer than me (she of the 6 week non-stop period that has thankfully stopped now) then emailing photos of my mate's kids to her that I took at the weekend. Bath now then bed. Apologies for skim reading but still not recovered from the 5am wake up yesterday morning followed by another day on the beach + long drive home + planning!! Lightweight

<starts up the stairs knowing what song is going to be going round and round her head as she lies in the bath..... mr lover lover, oooo..... >

MrsB00Mbastic Mon 22-Apr-13 21:52:31

Evening! I feel a lot better now that I've spent an hour beating stuff up. Going to take all my 'evidence' to the GP tomorrow and possibly also take DH as he's meaner than me and isn't constantly dissolving into puddles of sissy tears and might get a better result. FX that I can get some sort of explanation as to what the hell is going on.

Frog nothing like a bit of Shaggy to inspire a NC...

Cate docs are rubbish. They need a 5 yr degree to dispense this advice? Really?

Blind sadly it wasn't even the fc, it was gynae clinic, FC is just a distant dream still - at this rate I won't be referred until 2020!

Just rescued a lady who'd run out of petrol on the way back from the gym. Feeling like a good samaritan for driving her to the petrol station and back and pushing her car off the road grin

Bunny feeling hopeful at all?

Frogcatcher Mon 22-Apr-13 21:56:43

Yay after last months cycle craziness I have a positive OPK today & some EWCM on a textbook CD14! Unfortunately we didn't DTD last night but managed CD10 & 12 & have got DP primed for tonight (after Broadchurch). His comment was "no pressure then!"
<starts limbering up for legs in the air later>

Bunnygirlie Mon 22-Apr-13 22:22:05

Sorry pip we didn't mean to leave you behind, glad you found us!

thunder always clothed! Don't want to scare peeps!

merk merk where are you?!?!?

frog good luck DTDing after that emotional and amazing end of Broadchurch!!!! 

boom hmmmmm not really, I fully expect the witch will arrive by the weekend, having my usual pre-witch visitor but it is odd. I don't want my cycles to go all squiffy again sad

Cate555 Mon 22-Apr-13 22:30:37

Good luck Frog I think this could be your lucky day!!

Peanut I think you need to get your doctor to ring & write to the clinic. The secretary is in totally the wrong job if that's how she speaks to people - bitch! But what goes around comes around she can't be happy in her life.

BoodIeBee Mon 22-Apr-13 22:30:43

grin at MrsBoombastic! God damn it people, now I've got Shaggy in my head. Not just Mr. Boombastic, oh no, I've got his "greatest" hits going on in my brain now: Oh Carolina anyone? What about his In The Summertime Mungo Jerry cover? No? Just me? OK then...

MrsBoombastic, I am well chuffed by 'doing a boodle'! I'm not sure I can take credit for this age-old TTC trickery, but I do like to think that singing 'throw your legs in the air, wave them around like you just don't care' to the tune of Cypress Hill's Throw Your Set In The Air no less, is more unique to me! smile <Secretly hopes that all Berries will now be able to think of nothing else when they are slogging through the 20 minute inversion...and that if they don't know the song, they go away and youtube it so that they can join in too!>

I'm off for blood tests in the morning in the vain hope that I might be about 7 days away from AF. (Trying to book blood tests based on events in the future is reeeeealllllly fun hmm ) God knows whether I'm right or not...my charting is very confusing this month, after 20-odd cycles of consistency. Bloody body!

Tallyra Tue 23-Apr-13 00:38:13

OK girls, I've just had a shower before bed and just before I go to sleep, please can you answer me 2 questions that have bugged me for a very long time?
1) How on earth do you keep your towel wrapped around you while brushing your teeth?

2) (tmi alert) Does anyone have a method of keeping the bed clean whilst dtd on top? or are you all good girls who lie back and think of England?

Sorry. I just really want to know if anyone else has a solution to either one....blush

happylass Australia Tue 23-Apr-13 07:24:57

Morning Berries. Awoke to a big temp rise this morning which, if it is OV, means it happened yesterday on cd10 shock. If so we've totally screwed up shag week as only started last night cos DP has had man flu been really ill. So if I did OV on cd10 and DTD on cds 6 and 10, is there any hope at all this month??
<plonks self down on poufée of possibility in the hope that someone wiser will tell me it's all gonna be ok>

BoodIeBee Tue 23-Apr-13 07:43:13

Tally

1. A big bath sheet so tha you can get some serious tucking in of the towel going on (under the armpit for the tuck works for me!)

2.are you referring to the 'aftermath' of DTD on top? I tend to do a tres elegant sideways role onto my back in the hope of keeping some stuff in! Even more embarrassingly, as youngsters, I used to just slide up and let it drip out on his lower abdomen!!! (He didnt care if it saved changing rhe sheets!) Oh my god, the shame. I'm pretty sure I've said more than enough to out myself in here in the past...let's hope people aren't reading!

BoodIeBee Tue 23-Apr-13 07:46:47

happy don't give up yet. I had a temp rise on cd10 this month which was sustained enough to get crosshairs on cd9! I definitely didn't ovulate then. Got positive opk a couple of days later and now this morning, cd17, I've had another significant jump. I guess you have to wait and see what your temp does tomorrow. Did you have any wine last night? Alcohol massively affects my temps, even just one glass!

BoodIeBee Tue 23-Apr-13 07:48:01

Sorry about typos and autocorrects! I meant roll, not role earlier, obviously!

MrsB00Mbastic Tue 23-Apr-13 07:53:03

Boodle awaiting my next chance to do the leg wave and sing! Missed out on yesterday's so will have to wait for tomorrow's DTD... Hope your bloods are the right day!

Tally these are indeed weighty questions. Hmm.
- Re the towel: tuck it in under your armpit instead of between your boobs and then you can hold it down with your non-brushing arm...? or wear a dressing gown

- Re the topsiding: nope. And I get really annoyed on the..um..dismount when all those swimmers get wasted! I've suggested to DH that we do a rollover manoeuvre before 'disengaging' but he looked at me like I was a nutter and said 'gerroff' so I'm taking that as a no [embarrassed].

happy still in with a chance! Tadpoles live for up to 5 days, so both 6 and 10 bonks are valid. Are you going to keep going with shag week just in case?

Right, off to docs to cry until they help me see what's what. Going to do as you say cate and ask them to write to the clinic to let them know how annoyed I am! No way am I waiting another year!

MrsB00Mbastic Tue 23-Apr-13 07:55:42

Why can't I do square brackets?? WHY?

Oh and boodle, great minds clearly think alike when it comes to bathtime solutions.

Bunnygirlie Tue 23-Apr-13 08:12:13

The Witch has arrived sad feeling low here and trying not to cry before work.

Oh why is this so hard and so unfair, TMI, even when I knew she was coming I still had that tiny glimmer of hope, why does my body try and trick me by not having the usual day or two of brown/pink goo before AF arrives in full flow. Wiped this morning and there she was, it like being slapped in the face and your heart just sinks.

MrsB00Mbastic Tue 23-Apr-13 08:35:16

Sorry bunny, had my fingers crossed for you. She's such a bitch, big hugs x

Tallyra Tue 23-Apr-13 09:45:13

aww bunny. Hugs for you.

re the towel, I seem to have hollow shoulders or something because no matter how I tuck it, putting my arm up to brush loosens it and bam, dh is very happy... not that that's a problem, but I don't like being cold.
Swimmers wise, dh sometimes tries to roll me over but I find that extremely awkward. I suppose if TTC, that's probably the best option but it's not always guaranteed to work. Btw, question was prompted by fun session as it is now cd7 and pretending that we are safe from forbidden conception atm... only a couple of days after af has gone, so we should be ok. It feels so wrong to be having to be careful! angry

yorkiebilb Tue 23-Apr-13 10:06:21

bunny sorry to hear AF has arrived for you. Big hugs.

boombastic (loving the name and now singing that song!) good luck at the docs today. Hope your DH managed to get there as backup. Let us know how you get on...

Frogcatcher Tue 23-Apr-13 10:17:22

Morning all. Pants (probably big ones or old ones) bunny to AF.

Tally this may make me weird but I have to clean my teeth before I shower. I can't stand the feeling of an unclean mouth in the shower! I'm also a big fan of the dressing gown but that may be because we live in a rather overlooked house & have a part-time SS!

I think we generally DTD on top "just for fun" or it's not necessarily the finishing post IYSWIM. Mr Frog is quite fond of "froggy" style (lying down) & I'm not sure that is very good for swimmer retention either. I didn't get to do boodle leg waving either last night as he wanted to cuddle after & given the pressure comment & fact I want to make demands tonight as well I thought I'd better keep him sweet so just did a lot of pelvic floor clenching & subtle hip raises instead!

happy FX. Alcohol seems to send my temps way up too by the way & so does taking it at any time after my usual 6am.

Good luck at the docs boodle!

Oh & if law of Sod is listening this month should be my month as I am supposed to go to hospital next month for my colposcopy follow-up & they won't do it if I'm pg.

MrsB00Mbastic Tue 23-Apr-13 10:20:34

Well docs was a write-off. Apparently none of my slightly wonky results are wonky enough to warrant a diagnosis of PCOS, so nothing doing there. Just have scan to wait for next month sometime and then have to wait until Aug for FC appt unless it shows something monumental. Doc told me to stop stressing about it and that she didn't know why I was so distressed about it. DH then sided with doc and then after the appt said I was obsessed and relentless and he didn't know how much longer he could take it, and that I acted like I WANT something to be wrong with me. So now I feel totally shit, and as if everyone thinks I'm a total basket case.

<small voice> I'm not a basket case am I?

Frogcatcher Tue 23-Apr-13 10:34:25

Oh MrsByou're not a basket case. Mega Boombastic boos to unsympathetic drs & DHs. You know you can get pg so it must be so frustrating when your cycles are so out of whack.

I think I am going to try reflexology to try & regulate my cycles on various berries recommendations. Even if it doesn't sort them out it sounds like it could be very good for stress. Have you thought about trying that or maybe acupuncture if you feel like you have to do something before the FC in Aug? Just don't tell DH it's for TTC but to relax / sort out your stress about TTC. I've not booked any yet but found someone who sounds good through the Association of Reflexologists. There is a local area search function:

www.aor.org.uk/

MrsB00Mbastic Tue 23-Apr-13 10:43:39

Thanks frog. I'm already seeing an acupuncturist, she's great but not had enough sessions yet to know if it's helping to regulate anything - fingers crossed!

Having calmed down a little, I'm actually wondering if some sort of counselling or therapy would be a good idea. I surprised myself at just how genuinely upset I got, I was so ANGRY when the doctor wouldn't/couldn't help. I think there's a good chance I haven't got over the miscarriage at all, I suppose I constantly feel like I've messed up my 'chance' because I got pregnant but didn't get a baby and now I can't do it again (putting it very crudely, but that's what I think the issue is). But I don't really know where to get counselling from! Not going back to the doctor, she already thinks I'm a fruit loop and besides, NHS waiting times to see a counsellor are about 4 months..

Anyone got any cunning plans?

yorkiebilb Tue 23-Apr-13 10:46:30

'She didn't know why you were so distressed about it' ARE YOU SERIOUS?! I can't believe she actually said that to you. Does she not have any understanding of what you are going through? Apparently not.

I understand that feeling of wanting to figure out if there is something wrong now and not wanting to miss anything . If there is something wrong it means you can try and sort it out/deal with it now rather than spend months carrying on ttc and then they find out something is amiss which feels like wasted time I guess.

If you are obsessive and crazy then so are the rest of us on here and probably every other women ttc for 3 months or more!

I agree with the reflexology/acupuncture suggestion btw. It might help you feel like you are doing something to help you ttc and will indicate to DH that you are taking steps to try and relax.

yorkiebilb Tue 23-Apr-13 10:52:50

How about private counselling then? I had some sessions last year about other issues and have contemplated going back. It's obviously going to cost you a bit of money but might help if you feel you have a lot of built up anger/upset from the mc. Just google counselling in your area and check that they are on the appropriate BACP list first.

I don't know if you do yoga but that helps me when I'm feeling anxious and upset.

Frogcatcher Tue 23-Apr-13 10:53:49

Maybe a MC association or charity could point you in the direction of counselling if you don't want to go back to your doctor? Or perhaps just phone up the drs reception & see if you can get the name of someone you can see privately?

I try & hide a lot of my obsessive normal TTC behaviour from DP now & only share it with berries. God help me the day he finds my exercise book in which I have been stapling annotated OPKs this month to check the various strengths of line! That was merk's idea anyway but is proving useful! Has anyone seen her recently? Our queen of pimping has gone missing in action.

Tallyra Tue 23-Apr-13 11:16:20

boom, I think the counselling idea is great. I went to a private place after my first mc be aide I was no linger wanting sex, and I really can't remember what she said, but it got me thinking and talking in a much more positive fashion. they charged, but it was income dependent so I paid the lowest whack. It really helped. Try asking at the epu in hospital or calling the miscarriage assoc. I actually think the treatment of women who miscarry is pretty shocking here - they might offer you a couple of sessions if you push for it but then nothing and no checking in wellbeing either. If you think you know the problem you're halfway to working out a solution and feeling SO much happier. smile

SidneyBristow Tue 23-Apr-13 11:44:37

Boom angry on your behalf. How very dare the GP & your DH be so patronizing...that is really shocking. You went there for help, and they both basically patted you on the head and told you to go away. You could always get a new GP, one you could trust and knew the meaning of 'compassion,' and but assuming you want to keep your DH, I'll let you borrow how I've recently explained it to mine: every time you go for a wee, you're half hopeful, half agonized over what you might find (or not). Every 14 days you're either crushed, or mentally regrouping, or arranging things for maximum sexiness, or you're praying that the twinges you feel are good twinges and not ones that will start the rollercoaster again. It's relentless, and inescapable, and it hurts that your one partner in all this actually has the luxury of setting it aside, and getting drunk if he wants to, wallowing in illness if he wants to, or just being not in the mood or too tired, if that's how he feels. He is still in charge of his life, whereas your every move is at least sort of related to TTC.

Oddly my DH seemed to comprehend it after that. The tears helped.
Let me know if you want me to come round and clobber your DH, or the GP.

As to counseling, is there a Relate near you? They're a charity, and less pricey than private.

SidneyBristow Tue 23-Apr-13 11:45:55

And bunny really sorry about AF thanks

Frogcatcher Tue 23-Apr-13 12:26:08

Aaaah just got FB babyscan papped totally unawares! Not someone I know but the girlfriend of an ex who tagged him in it. Really wasn't expecting that as they're not married (not that should make any difference as neither are me & DP!), I thought he'd always been quite anti-kids & she already has a daughter who's about 16! Classic instadiffer sad

happylass Australia Tue 23-Apr-13 13:08:41

Thanks for the reassurances ladies. OV usually arrives cd11-13 so not massively early just annoyed that we usually start shag week on cd8 and the law of sod has meant that the one time we start late I OV early grrr! No vino last night but we did have an Indian so maybe that caused temp rise?? Guess will have to wait and see [impatient emoticon]

Frogcatcher Tue 23-Apr-13 14:14:10

Quick qn anyone - on the cheapy OPKs do you know if it's important what time you test? I know you're not supposed to use FMU if you can help it but I'm pretty sure my original Boots ones said not to test after 8pm at night. Just asking because me & DP are off to theatre tonight so I won't be able to test till I get home - will that be too late? I didn't have a temp rise above cover this morning so haven't OV'd yet but it could be today. I'm hoping we still have time to bank another one! Rather irritatingly we've got a night in a hotel booked on Fri & thought it might be shag week but we'll have just missed it. Probably not a bad thing as will convince DP that I don't just DTD for his swimmers grin

Bunnygirlie Tue 23-Apr-13 17:48:42

Thanks ladies! It's been a horrid day, I have been grumpy to everyone at work! It's not even AF in full, it's just the welcome party angry

boom sorry your appointment was crappy!

To add insult to injury I called the docs today for my CD20 results, my progesterone levels are low so either my test was on the wrong date or I am not ovulating sad she wants to try again next month and go from there. But on day 21 next month I will be on holiday so I'm going to miss another month FFS

Cate555 Tue 23-Apr-13 18:34:09

Sid count me in to join you in clobbering MrsBoom's GP she is as sensitive a mine!
MrsBoom your GP is rubbish can you see another GP next time you go? That's what I plan to do.

Just saw the Duchess of Cambridge with baby bump on the news looking beautiful as always....can't help but feel jealous

Hi all,

bunny bollocks. That sucks. Sorry about the results too- do you use opks? (sorry I know I should know this)

frog I thought it was meant to be between 10-6 ish with the best time around 2pmish? On mine it said not to do it late or early. Worth doing them more than once a day too I reckon.

sid well summed up lady.

And cate, jealous isn't the word for me. GRRRRRRR!!!!! Is closer to it.

CharmingCats Tue 23-Apr-13 19:25:47

Hello all! Joining in on the grrrrrrs to bumps/fb scan posts/crap GPs.

My uPdate:
Charmingcats, 32 ttc since August 2012. Cd 20 of unknown cycle length.

Started using ic OPKs yesterday. Got a faint line thins afternoon, so I think dtd would be good this eve, but DH has a cold and not up for it. This is getting mor than frustrating after last week's lack of ejac.... Got more ov pain and cm, so not sure what was going on last week. I think I could have delayed ov due to stress. Is that possible?

Trying123 Tue 23-Apr-13 19:38:12

HIYA GUYS!!!

Sorry have not been around for a bit. Have been living in hope in Sarahland (other wise known as my own own A***). Not really sure wether you guys would want to know but I have bitten the bullet and POAS today (again).
BFP. After 17 months.
Off to but another test or two as I am not quite convinced some how.
Had chance to read some of the above posts and am sad to not have got to know you all better before now x x x
Very very early days, so fingers crossed.

Congratulations trying!!

Hope it's a good healthy sticky one!

cats yes I'm sure it is possible. And I think ov can be delayed for no reason too. You know a faint line isn't a positive though eh? Or do yours get continuously darker when surge coming?

SidneyBristow Tue 23-Apr-13 20:02:26

Oh wow Trying! Congratulations! It must feel so unreal! Really happy for you and glad you shared; don't get me wrong, I'm totally envy but glad it happened to a berry and not an insta-d! thanks

Bajas Tue 23-Apr-13 20:02:38

Congratulations trying. Hopefully this is the beginning of a flood of bfps for the berries!

boom and cate would you consider changing gps? Seems ridiculous they are making you wait so long especially considering NICE guidelines. I saw mine once at 6 months and fully intend going back to insist on starting the ball rolling in another 3 months when trying a year (if I haven't been lucky before then)

Trying123 Tue 23-Apr-13 20:12:52

happy def hope from the 6 -swimmers live a good bit, and from 10 really!!
boom that is shocking - i work for nhs but still get surprised at how crap they can be, some people have the tact and emotional intelect of a rock, they should not be allowed to be Drs.
I can't imagine you would want to get involved in anything else stressy or i would suggest putting in a complaint, quoting what she said. it is not acceptable. I am sure however that they will accept a 'feedback' letter should you wish to send it to the manager of the practice. Might find writting it helps. I sent one to my mums gp a few years ago after some shocking practice and found writting it cathartic.
http://www.counselling-directory.org.uk/
maybe look at councelling for both of you so you can both talk through how you really feeling in a 'safe' place.
tally 1. fold the towel over at the top as you wrap it round then tuck it in near your armpit.
2. generally we roll onto our sides whilse still having a bit of a cuddle, then i turn/slide onto my back as flatly as i can!
Rubbish luck bunny have some wine, sending dragon to af to get her to piss off.

Bunnygirlie Tue 23-Apr-13 20:14:03

Thanks thunder feeling very fed up, just stuffed myself full of comfort food, feel ick now!

Trying123 Tue 23-Apr-13 20:15:18

Thanks guys! heres to starting a trend x x wine cheers

I don't blame you bunny. I'd be on the wine too.
So do you use opks? Just thinking about what the doc said.

BlindKitty Tue 23-Apr-13 20:24:05

Mrsboombastic LOVING the new name!!!!

Sorry, didn't realise it wasn’t the fc you were going to see. If its any consolation, we’ve been seeing the fc for 9 months and shes not much more use than a chocolate teapot either!!!

tally I wouldn’t know re your bedsheet question as I spend most of my time keeping the stuff in rather than out!!!

trying smile that’s GREAT news!!! Remind us, whether you’ve had any clomid or anything (if you don’t mind sharing!)

bunny that’s rubbish sad. I have that same glimmer each month too. Big hugs xxx

BlindKitty Tue 23-Apr-13 20:26:15

oh and guys, the 'brookers' thread are all getting up the duff you know! i think there must be summat in their water so i'm filling up our kettle from their thread! brew

Foodylicious Tue 23-Apr-13 20:40:42

kitty (its trying here) was waiting for fc appt, used opks for 1st time last month - had jusr been using calendar before - and did not get LH until CD20 - did not really know much about short luteal phase but read alot that day and went out and started taking 50mg B6 and a B complex as this is meant to boost/increase progesterob=ne and hopefully lengthen luteal phase and make/keep lining a bit thicker so hoping for better stick. I have a suspision that the 3 times i have been late in the last have been very very early mc's also this was a 3 week DTDathon !
So like i say I am hopefull but very early days. have done abit more reading and it seems 50-100 mg B6 is probaly safe in PG - 50mg is recomended for morning sickness so must be fine - helps with keeping lining so am goong to keep taking for now.

BoodIeBee Tue 23-Apr-13 20:50:09

Bunny - chin up chuck; we've all been there and it's completely shit. I've said this before, but I found the 10 -15 months point to be reeeeeally bloody difficult. Before 10 months, I still felt vaguely optimistic, and after 15 months I started to get more philosophical about it all.

Trying - fantastic news. I think since I lured you into the Berry thread, I think you should make sure I get a BFP sometime too, yes? Not too big an ask?! wink

Boom - your GP is crap. Definitely look into the counselling though if you think that's something you would benefit from. Honest to goodness, how can anyone, let alone a GP, not get that TTC is extremely stressful and a miscarriage is a bereavement? Utterly insensitive and you need to give your DH a kick too...united front and all that. So angry for you!

BlindKitty Tue 23-Apr-13 20:50:23

Hi foody loving the name change now that your previous name is no longer apt!!!! You've inspired me to keep shagging then this month poor dh CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!! How did you tell dh/dp?

CharmingCats Tue 23-Apr-13 21:14:47

Wonderful news, foody! I was just thinking how we've not had many bfps and wondering if other threads are. Well done you!

I had a very nice conversation about ttc with a lady at work the other day. I was talking her through my career woes and told her that I didn't know whether to put myself through it as we'd like to start a family. She told me that she'd tried for 2 years for her first and had him when she was 34 and dc2 at 38. She then regaled me with stories of against the odds conception of her friends and finished off by telling me to never give up and that if it's what I want, I should prioritise that and look after me! All in all, the complete opposite of what I was expecting from her as she is usually moan-a-minute. An insta-differ friend also offered me a listening ear and to meet up without her ds, 'if it makes it easier'. Bless, some people can be very sensitive too!

DH manned up and dtd, so hoping that we'll get another one in as the opk line gets darker. Is that right? I thought it was best to dtd in the days leading to a pos opk, rather than just the day of, the day before being the best. That's why I switched to ics from smileys as I'll be able to see the line getting darker. Also, saves some money.

happylass Australia Tue 23-Apr-13 21:15:22

Ooooooo congrats Foody/Trying amazing news after all those months of TTC - gives us all hope!
Major OV pain here (which is when it should be happening) so guess the hope lives on and shag week continues in to a second night!

Btw what the hell is this dragon?

CharmingCats Tue 23-Apr-13 21:21:13

St George's Day dragon

Cate555 Tue 23-Apr-13 21:33:08

Foody/Trying massive congrats!! I had to do a double take when I read BFP!!! Let's hope it's the first of many.

BoodIeBee Tue 23-Apr-13 21:33:48

dragon Raaaar! I'm a fire-breathing dragon!

That is all.

CharmingCats Tue 23-Apr-13 21:49:24

Raaaaaar!

foody, I also did a double take when I read your bfp! I think we've got used to the opposite.

Do any other cat owners notice that their cats have made friends with neighbourhood cats? Ours have cats that they chase, ones that chase them and others that they sit happily with in our garden. One comes to call for them after breakfast. It's really funny. A new friend appeared this evening and our cats are worn out from the playing!

Bunnygirlie Tue 23-Apr-13 22:02:48

thunder I use OPKs on and off, last few months I haven't had a positive so maybe I haven't be OVing confused

kitty that little glimmer of hope is a bitch isn't it! 

boodle I think reaching 12 months is gonna be a bitch too!

I def feel I need to dragon rarrrrrrrrrr too!

BoodIeBee Tue 23-Apr-13 22:03:51

Charming -we have that too. Our cats are a right pair of flirts and we've always got cats hanging around our house and garden. We don't really get it in the winter, but now the weather is starting to improve I have seen a few appearing in the vicinity! Last year we had one particularly keen male who used to just come and lie in the garden with them. He hasn't been around for a while but when he is here, they all roll on their backs singing mewing!

BoodIeBee Tue 23-Apr-13 22:09:15

Not gonna lie, Bunny, 12 months is a total utter bitch! Multiples of 9, 10 and 12 are all bitches! (I'm sure you can work out why!)

Wow, so much to catch up on again!
Tally we do the squeeze and roll to save the bed sheets. On the towel front I breathe in, wrap it tight and tuck in tightly, then breathe out and it's so tight it doesn't usually slip.

Boom you are not a basketcase or alternatively we all are and your gp is a complete idiot.

Bunny have another wine . B1tch. «at AF, not you»

she-who-was-trying WOW!!!!!! And extra WOW as I had pretty much given up hope because of my short LP until I get sweeties clomid but I started taking B6 (50mg daily) this cycle, so maybe it might work for me too!!!! grin grin grin grin grin
I'm on cycle 17 as well!!!! grin grin grin

Boodle I want a fire breathing dragon but I don't think they updated the app just gore the day and I'm on my phone, no dragon emotion that I can see shock .

BoodIeBee Tue 23-Apr-13 22:27:03

<Sigh> I wish B6 had worked for me. It didn't. I've ordered some flax seed oil to try next month. Just for poops and giggles, as you do.

BoodIeBee Tue 23-Apr-13 22:28:13

Barking - maybe just try [ dragon ] to see if you can do it anyway! If we can't get a BFP then FBD is the next best thing as far as I'm concerned.

dragon FBD has spoken!

dragon

Woohoo!!!!!! grin grin grin grin
dragon dragon dragon dragon

As they say, it's the small things..... hmm

BoodIeBee Tue 23-Apr-13 22:34:46

Raaaaaarrrrr! Four dragons all in a row! Four for a boy, that's the saying, isn't it? (Oh wait...magpies...dragons...hmm.)

BoodIeBee Tue 23-Apr-13 22:37:09

Barking, I am seriously immature with things like this. What's that? Your brew has gone cold? Just wait there a sec...

brew dragon Raaaaaaaar!

Sorted.

You should have seen me when I learnt all the advanced smileys on facebook. That was a great day. <Gazes wistfully into the distance as she remembers.>

Bunnygirlie Tue 23-Apr-13 22:43:25

Thanks for the wine barking I shall be partaking in quite a few of these on Friday!!!

So does wine +dragon = mulled wine?!?

BoodIeBee Tue 23-Apr-13 22:43:56

Mmmmmm! Mulled wine! Yes please, Bunny!

dragon wine for me too please!! grin

Boodle Advanced smileys on fb?!?!? What have I missed?!

Pipbin Japan Tue 23-Apr-13 22:52:33

Well I've been super busy packing all evening so no time to really catch up.
However, bad news is that AF will be here by morning, I've have very little spotting but I can feel her coming.
Good news is that I had the results of my egg reserve test at my IVF appointment today. They said that 10 is ok 20 is good. Mine is 30!! She did weigh me though. And by BMI was a little over so I need to get that down before the first cycle. In all they were really positive. They still said its only 30% per cycle though.

What news here? dragon

BoodIeBee Tue 23-Apr-13 22:53:14

www.fbsmileys.com/

I love the shark and the penguin!

BoodIeBee Tue 23-Apr-13 22:57:17

And the robot! I forgot the robot! I wish MN had more smileys.

Wow, Pip, I'm surprised you don't rattle when you walk with all those eggs bouncing around! I'm imagining your ovaries as one of those fairground machines that dispense random goodies in plastic eggs. Well, I'm not really, but I think I'm in one of 'those' moods tonight. It's not my fault; I blame the dragon. Seriously though, very good news and I hope the house move prep is going well! BMI will get down with house move exercise, maybe? grin

Bunnygirlie Tue 23-Apr-13 23:09:41

Yay, good news on the eggs pip

You have missed a newbie BFP and I'm miserable because the AF welcome party arrived this morn sad Good luck with move!

Pipbin Japan Tue 23-Apr-13 23:18:30

Not an insterdiffer? Grrr.

You and me together with AF then Bunny

Tallyra Tue 23-Apr-13 23:24:09

just got into bed after a manic day and had to come on and say huge congrats to foody-trying. YAAAAAYgrin grin grin
Also, thank you for all your wise advice. I will try them out.

And that is it. Good night.

BoodIeBee Wed 24-Apr-13 00:17:03

No Pip, not an instadiffer, just a relatively new Berry! I sourced you from a luteal phase worry thread or something like that, didn't I, Foody?! Clearly the newbie lucky charm has struck again! grin <goes to bed to ponder name change and faking newbie status again...not that it worked last time I tried it!>

Bunnygirlie Wed 24-Apr-13 08:26:49

No not an annoying instadiffer, just a jammy newbie who has been trying a long time.

Bunnygirlie Wed 24-Apr-13 08:27:09

Oh FFS, I think missing my reflexology appointment has fecked everything up! AF still not in full flow which means I'm on CD31/32 which is going to feck up shag week as it was going to fall on dirty weekend away and now it won't sad

MrsB00Mbastic Wed 24-Apr-13 08:56:54

Morning!

Thank you lovely berries for all your wise words and offers to pound some sense into DH and doctor grin I may yet take you up on that . I'm feeling a bit better today. At least now I know there's no hope of anything happening before August at the earliest (and from what those of you already at FC have said, not much happening after that either..) so I suppose I can stop clinging to the thought that I'll get a magic pill to fix everything and just get on with it. I've phoned the doc back to see if she can refer me for CBT sessions, if not I've found a private lady that will do it...so moving forward, mentally if not physically!

Congrats foodie/trying, hurrah for a BFP at last (and only a bit envy, honest!)

Aw bunny pants to wonky cycles! They know how to balls up planned bonkathons don't they!

Also, why don't we have a [pants] emoticon??

pip you eggmeister you!

Hi all,

Firstly I'm passing on a big thank you from my under 30 MN friend who read your comments about what she can do re her long crazy cycles- you've given her lots of food for thought.

pip nice egg production there! Good luck with the rest of your crazy week.

bunny that's shit, sorrr hun. Amazing how much difference reflexology is making to your cycles. I can see that the chance of not ovulating could be a worry, but also an explanation which is better than just a mystery of why you've not got pg yet? Hopefully they can get you fixed soon. Is that what clomid can help with?

mrsBOOM (just typo'd to mrsBOOB and it made me smile, I meant to say yesterday that I agree with the others, you are fine. In fact you are doing really well so don't let those shitty attitudes knock you. Good work on taking action and taking steps towards getting counselling.

I'm fed up today. Just sick of it all. Wish I could curl up on the sofa with the beautiful quilt and watch films all day. With chocolate. sad

Frogcatcher Wed 24-Apr-13 10:37:46

Congratulations trying/foody! Let's hope it's the start of an elderberry BFP goldrush.

wow pip i think you should nc to something involving lots of eggs! That's great news though.

bunny I'm with you on the wonky cycles & confusion over Ov. I had a positive OPK on Monday evening but temp still hasn't gone above cover line so I can't have Ov'd yet can I? OPKs with FMU yesterday & today showing fainter lines but didn't do one yesterday evening as didn't get back till late. If I'm supposed to do OPKs between 10am & 6pm I'm going to have to bring my pot to work! blush Oh well, probably a good thing that O is yet to be confirmed as DP fell asleep anyway. Grrrrr - in fact double grrrr - as he had specifically asked earlier that evening if it was a green day.

Frogcatcher Wed 24-Apr-13 10:41:06

Also chin up thunder. Is AF on her way? I've lost track of everyone a bit without a list! Virtual chocolate being sent through the ether & flowers

Thanks frog, I'm on cd4 so she's already here! Just fed up of all the waiting and going into yet another cycle where I know it can't happen for me. I know berries will know what I mean! Thank you for the chocolate though.

I have to recommend cbdigiOPKs as you can do them with fmu and no confusion over whether there's a smiley or not! I have mastered only using 3-4 a cycle now too although I know I'm lucky in that respect.

Frogcatcher Wed 24-Apr-13 11:32:19

Thanks thunder for the recommendation on the CBdigis. I'll bear it in mind but think I'll persevere with my ICs for now until my cycles settle down a bit or I get the hang of them a bit more so as to avoid bankruptcy! I used OPKs from CD8 thru to CD21 last cycle!

AF to shag week is the worst time I think. At least in the 2WW there is that stupid bit of hope still.

MrsB00Mbastic Wed 24-Apr-13 13:14:38

Aw thunder, sending you cyberchoc. I can thoroughly recommend hiding under the pity quilt to snaffle it.

Frog sounds confusing. And how very dare Mr Frog fall asleep when froggy good-times are on offer? Tsk.

<Sales pitch alert> Can I interest anyone want a CBFM? Never used, got sticks with it and everything - I bought it, ripped open the packaging in excitement, realised it needed batteries and therefore I would miss using it that cycle, and then one of you lovely berries told me it was no good for long cycles anyway. So don't need it, and it's up for grabs if anyone would like it cut price before it goes on ebay grin

I've got one, but I'd be interested in cut price sticks if you'll sell them separately!? I've switched to opks as I can't afford to keep buying the sticks for the cbfm but assuming I get clomid in July I'd like to track my cycles for a couple of months with the cbfm to make sure I can overanalyse those cycles to death and make doubly sure we've made deposits on the correct days!!!! grin

MrsB00Mbastic Wed 24-Apr-13 16:24:53

And I thought 16 and Pregnant was bad. Worst instadiffer programme in history

barking you're welcome to them! Send me your address and I'll whack them in the post. How much do they cost normally? It's a 20 pack, is a tenner reasonable?

Thanks boom
<takes more chocolate, grabs quilt and curls up in a small pathetic ball under quilt>

Frogcatcher Wed 24-Apr-13 16:58:16

Ugh MrsBoom that is truly awful.

Just had a terrible instadiffer experience at work when I had to have a performance chat with a 30 year old I manage & she announced that she is 6 weeks pregnant. I knew she wanted to have kids but apparently "it happened quicker than she expected". I was totally professional, congratulated her, promised not to tell anyone else yet & now got back to my desk & feel like crap. Mr Frog out tonight too so expect to see me on the pity sofa later stealing chocolate & quilt from thunder. Especially if the OPK has gone haywire too.

<growls>

<sniff>

<sharesies?>

SidneyBristow Wed 24-Apr-13 17:32:50

Ugh! They had to be American didn't they! I swear, we're not all like that. I mean clearly we're not all pregnant else I wouldn't be on the thread wink , but I mean not all Americans are tacky as hell and fame-hungry.

Sorry about your coworker Frog. Is there anyone at your work who knows you're TTC? I only wish more of us could've said "it happened quicker than we expected". sad

Off to yoga tonight. It's going to be a regular thing at Casa Bristow, mainly bc I hate being a mushy cow but also so that if anyone suggests I do something to relieve TTC stress, I can slap them with impunity instead of wondering if they might have a point. Hmm reading back on that, it might take more than yoga...

Feel better thunder and frog, here have some Thornton's choc cakes I've been hiding from DH & SKids saving thanks

Frogcatcher Wed 24-Apr-13 18:02:10

<shares yummy chocolate cakes from sid nicely with thunder>

Have fun at yoga. I'm contemplating a whole weekend retreat over the bh w-end as DP is working & I feel I could do with de-stressing & time out from everyone. It doesn't look like too much of a hippy one that I've been eyeing up.

No one at work knows I'm TTC but you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work it out - I'm 37, moved in with DP last year & I've openly talked about how we're trying to move house. I guess some people might expect us to be married first. It's not the kind of job/company where you would be open about it anyway.

Bunnygirlie Wed 24-Apr-13 18:18:44

Thanks boom thunder frog wonky cycles are pants (new pants icon please MNHQ)

thunder I know what you mean, if something is wrong then maybe they can do something, doctor wants me to go back next month for another day 21 test but I'll be on fecking  holiday so another delay sad not exactly sure what clomid does to be honest

Any of that cake going spare?!?

Boom you have mail smile

Feeling any better today thunder?

Pip forgot to admire your egg collective, apologies. Vv impressive. You could give my mate's hen a lesson, she hasn't laid a single egg yet...hmm And one thing that crossed my mind earlier, IVF chances at 30% always sound low, but isn't it meant to be only a 20% chance each cycle anyway? Just to try and put a positive spin on it! I haven't given up the idea of spending every day next cycle chanting some positive mantra in an effort to get myself upduffed through sheer force of positive thinking!!

cats I'm catching up late I know but what did you think after your chat with colleague about jobs? I'm in a similar position. I was very ill a few years ago and doctors at the time told me I wouldn't ever recover enough to get back to the classroom. After being off sick for a few months I left my job. Long story short, I started back doing one to one tutoring, then occasional days supply, then got a part time job 2 days a week and now I'm doing 3 days a week. It's been a slow process but I'm now pretty much recovered and could go back full time - but obviously that would mean finding a full time job and in order to do that potentially leave a school I'm doing well in... I considered speaking to management about covering the maternity leave starting in September, but then they'd have to find someone to do my job, and one day a week I'm senco so I'd still have to do that so someone would have to cover me etc etc and if I should actually manage to become upduffed myself that would complicate things further and I don't want to mess everything up. Also, I quite enjoy my current role and if I did get pg it would be good to come back part time afterwards, I can't imagine teaching full time and being a mother without messing up one or both roles. So on the one hand it would be good to have the money coming in for full time, and potentially get maternity pay based on ft salary, but I don't want to walk out of a job that would be ideal if I ever when I have a child. It's so difficult!!!

BlindKitty Wed 24-Apr-13 19:43:32

cats loving the inspiration stories, keep em coming!!! We need em!
Wish I could get my cat out atm! She tends not to go out through winter (her choice!) but now I can’t seem to get her to go out. Think the neighbours kids have scared her. Although being blind, I don’t make her, as its not like she can stay out all day anyway.

pip great news on eggs. Lol at how you automatically thought she’d be an instadiffer (generally what I think whenever anyone announces their pregnancy lol)

boom have those women never heard of baggage –or paedophiles for that matter--?

sid I’m actually loving yoga now! Actually thinking I might just do it myself on the beach in the mornings on holiday!

GooseyD Wed 24-Apr-13 19:43:36

Thanks Bunny for sending shuttle back for me, Barking pointed me here from the tumbleweed short LP group but I got left behind.

Can I have a space on the sofa?
Just turned 38
TTC: no contraception since summer 09, properly trying since summer 11
Luteal phase 6-7 days sad
AF due tomorrow when I can book my HSG
Just engaged but confused about where a wedding fits into all this!!

BlindKitty Wed 24-Apr-13 19:49:13

goosey congrats! wouldn't worry about the wedding. I'd just plan regardless and if a baby comes along then so be it. So tell us about the proposal!!!!!!

CharmingCats Wed 24-Apr-13 19:52:27

Hey, barking. I've had a chat with the deputy today too. I left teaching 6 years ago as I hated the lack of work life balance but have always missed it and wished that I'd asked for help, but I was young...
I applied for a couple of class teacher jobs last week and a couple of months ago and haven't been short listed. Made me rethink things. Do I want a full time class teacher job etc. I'd like to develop my role as TA. There's a mat cover coming up and intervention teacher roles, so I've asked to be kept in the loop while they're planning for next year. She also talked about PPA cover and getting more teaching on my cv. I'm going to start doing intervention groups for 3 mornings a week now at a higher pay scale, so it's better.
I totally agree that I can't see myself being a teacher and mum. I think there are options for other roles, like the one you're doing. Do you want to teach more, or just feel you should? Mat cover could be a safe way to try it? I'm trying not to think about getting upduffed affecting things at work. I'd give them plenty of notice to find someone to cover me, and go from there. I want to stay where I know for now, as I was finding it very stressful coming home and filling in applications after work. That's only a fraction of the work I'd do as a teacher!! I think a frank conversation with management can't hurt. No need to mention ttc, as it doesn't affect anything right now. They're probably planning for next year already and even more after Whitsun, so good time to sew any seeds. If you don't like the sound of what they come back with, you can always stick with what you've got. Even if you do the mat cover and SENCo, get diffed, you could return to something similar to your current role. Anything is possible!! Have a chat now - get in there early!

CharmingCats Wed 24-Apr-13 19:57:51

PS, barking, well done on getting back up to 3 days a week. I know how hard it is getting back into it and what an achievement it is.

GooseyD Wed 24-Apr-13 20:10:39

Thanks BlindKitty - he proposed in a sea front restaurant on holiday, was lovely. I was on cloud 9, but a week after back from holiday we had my long awaited consultants appointment which busted the myth I had somehow made up that treating luteal phase defect was a simple 'here's some progesterone', job done! Now I'm on track for HSG, then Clomid, followed by IVF if needed. Just arrived on this thread and haven't seen your summary!

BlindKitty Wed 24-Apr-13 20:27:33

Goose ah thats nice, did he have a rock ready or did you get it together afterwards?

I'm 33, and we 2 have been ttc since summer 2011 23 months not that I'm counting. Had my hsg, tried 3 months of clomid, dh had his sa and I've had all my blood tests and nothing seems to be wrong although not a sniff of a pregnancy to prove that! I'm starting iui hopefully in June.

This is a good forum to be in (and the brookers one) if you need some support/advice/comfort! Of and we can't abide instadiffers or people who routinely post pictures of scans and baby bumps on fb (unless of course that is you haha!)

happylass Australia Wed 24-Apr-13 21:49:37

Welcome Goose. I too am engaged and, in a wildly optimistic moment a few months ago, we booked our wedding for August 2014 as DP assured me "we'll have had a baby by then" Now with less than 16 months to go there's not even so much as a hint of a BFP in the air. <reminds self never to listen to DP!>
Think there's gonna have to be a few months later this year where we lay off TTC so don't risk giving birth as I'm saying my vows but other than that I figure what's meant to be will be smile

Wimwom Wed 24-Apr-13 22:05:31

Hi berries, I'm making a brief appearance from my lurking - sorry I'm just a rubbish poster and you are all so much more interesting than me! Sorry about all the af's turning up - I'm on what feels like worlds longest AF after starting thyroxine. No idea what's going on. Back to my quiet corner!

Pipbin Japan Wed 24-Apr-13 22:09:05

In bed already here at Bin Towers.
Have told everyone that we are having IVF, even the people whose house we are buying!
I have to say that I am rather proud of my egg creation abilities. With that an DHs super sperm we should be knee deep in babies.

Moving day tomorrow. Very exciting.

MrsB00Mbastic Wed 24-Apr-13 22:39:41

<Bounces in, halo in place after run/gym, then spots the chocolate cake and halo slips>

Evening berries!

<Steals some of Frog's cake, because there are no calories if it isn't yours>

Definitely Pip, why stop at one when you could have a litter?

Hey Wimwom, nice to see you! How long has AF been hanging around? Do you think it's the thyroxine causing it then?

Hi goosey <waves>

Hmm, yoga. Who said yoga? I'm not sure I'm bendy enough, although I quite like the idea. Might look into it...

Tried to sort out some counselling. Turns out NHS service has a 6 month wait because I'm non-urgent (ie haven't threatened self-harm apparently threatening harm of GP doesn't count ) and private one costs £40-60 a pop, which I can't afford on top of acu sad. So I guess that idea's out the window! Back to moaning to the poor acupuncturist...

Oooh, barking, I love mail! It makes me feel special (I'm such a loser). If you give me a few days, I might even work out how to find it and open it grin

MrsB00Mbastic Wed 24-Apr-13 22:41:08

PS Oooh pip moving day already? Exciting! Here's hoping the new house has fertile vibes!

Checking in... Am waylaid by crappy job and working all hours however in true Arnie style I'll be back. Hope you've all fallen pregnant in my absence and if not, life is treating you well x

Hey goose glad you found us, I went back to painting the bathroom <yawn> so didn't see your request for a link, sorry! To answer your questions on the LP thread now I've dragged you in here, my LP is usually 8 days, a couple of times when I've got excited and been convinced I'm pg it's been a whole 10 days shock . My cycles are anything from 24 to 37 days, but the last 3 or 4 actually seem to have settled around 32 days.
I had the day 21 test and it showed nothing, I then had a day 28 test and it apparently showed enough to confirm I had ovulated, just very late.

cats they've just advertised the maternity post so I'm probably a bit late but could still discuss it I suppose. I get on really well with my job share at the moment which is the main reason I don't want to rock the boat (she's the deputy so when I'm in class she's usually in school anyway, and when she's in class on a Thursday I'm in school for my senco day, which makes it run really smoothly as usually with a job share you don't see each other as you're in on different days!) There's also a 0.6 contract going as a teacher is leaving, which with the senco day would make 0.8, trouble is every assumes she's leaving because her job share partner is a nightmare to work with. She's one of these that will do the least amount of work possible and then still argue that she's doing more than she should be on a 0.4 etc. They actually put them on a 0,5 contact each just to stop the arguments about sharing the workload!!! All the other job shares are 0.4/0.6 though so they've gone back to this (not that she's happy about it).

hey merk <waves>

boom I had to boot up the laptop to message you, didn't know how to do it from the app!

pipbin happy moving day tomorrow, hope it all goes well!

I baked biscuits tonight but when I went to take them from the cooling tray to put them in a tupperware box there were only half the biscuits left.... shock shock

Wimwom Thu 25-Apr-13 07:08:29

pip good luck with the move today, exciting times!

boom not sure what's caused the worlds longest period (well for me anyway) had a hycosy last tues (normal) then a smiley on opk thurs, then arrived Friday. The only new thing is thyroxine - but supposed to help, not reduce me to an even shorter cycle.

Really really bored of TTc now, two sets of friends have recently announced they are having number 2 - I remember we were TTc when they announced they were having no1! DH got cross with me the other day for saying 'I bet they're only wanting to meet up to tell us she's upduffed' - and how right I was. He just doesn't understand I'm not angry with them, just frustrated with us and being reminded of what we don't seem to be ableto have just makes it worse. sad

Tallyra Thu 25-Apr-13 07:29:31

Oooh, hoof luck pip!!!!smile

Tallyra Thu 25-Apr-13 07:29:51

or even good luck.....blush

Frogcatcher Thu 25-Apr-13 07:48:51

Good luck pip

Chin up wimwom my DP doesn't understand half the time either.

Am feeling positive today tho as have had a proper temp rise now so first ever confirmation that I Ov'd. Just feel so much more in control as a result. We missed the day of O itself (textbook cd15 if my FF charting skills are right so who knows wtf has been going on with my last couple of long cycles) but DTD 1, 3 & 5 days before so got to be my best chance so far. Into the 2ww waiting game I go...

Bunnygirlie Thu 25-Apr-13 08:09:04

Dear Auntie Flo

Do hurry the f*ck up and get here. You have been threatening to arrive for a few days now, the sooner you get here the sooner you'll leave and I can get on with life again!

That is all!

Bunnygirlie Thu 25-Apr-13 08:13:26

P.s. by arriving late you have possibly ruined my may! Grrrrrrr

Frogcatcher Thu 25-Apr-13 09:24:43

bunny AF is by far the rudest woman on the planet. Fact. Arrives late & gets your hopes up that she won't turn up at all, barges in at inconvenient times & is just generally a pain in the derriere. Quite literally.
You have all our sympathy.

happylass Australia Thu 25-Apr-13 11:40:59

Good luck with the move Pip and well done on all the eggs!!
Ok so temp rise on cd10, serious OV pain on cd11 and EWCM on cd13. Isn't this arse backwards ??confused

Hi everyone,

Thank you for the sympathy, sharing and chocolate. Have kicked myself up the ass and am feeling more positive today.

frog great stuff that the temps are working out and giving you useful information.

bunny I agree- wtf's she up to? Not on. (but does this mean you may be around for your 'day 21' tests after all?

Good luck pip, hi merk- presuming af came in the end?
Hi goose and congrats! Did he choose a pretty ring?

GooseyD Thu 25-Apr-13 18:45:03

Thunder Soooo pretty, thanks for asking! Really impressed that he chose it himself! And has scored him some much needed brownie points as - going back Pip's bedtime story (so funny, makes me laugh at random moments when I remember it) - he is busy and tired on the wrong days and causes much wailing and gnashing of teeth on my part smile

Barking did the doctor find it at all significant that your 28 day blood showed you do ovulate just late? Mine wasn't going to send me for another test even when I explained that 21 day one had been at wrong time of cycle - I had to ask for another test later in cycle (results tomorrow).

Wimwom TOTALLY understand your frustration with the second babies, nearly all my friends are having or have had their second mainly both born within the time we've been trying! Being nice wasn't something I used to struggle with as much!! envy

Bunnygirlie Thu 25-Apr-13 19:01:27

Evening ladies and thanks for the sympathy. I'm allowing myself one more evening of sulking and then need to shake this mood off, people at work already think I'm a grump cow and have work piss up tomorrow night. I fear I may get hammered wine

Def CD1 here and major cramps [ouch icon needed]

Ooh goose I want to see! I want to see!

Buggeration bunny
(bunneration?)
Definitely get hammered I reckon.

Bajas Thu 25-Apr-13 19:29:17

Evening all.

pip hope you're all moved in and christening the new house in style.

Congrats goose on your engagement. V impressed he picked the ring himself. I shudder to think what dh would have picked in the same circumstances!

frog we're in a similar boat. Temping for first time this month has shown me I have ovulated but don't think we dtd at the right time. Although I'm unlikely to be successful this month I'm still feeling positive that things seem to work despite crazy cycles so there is some hope. Thanks to all those who advised me that I should temp and how to do it properly grin

Bunnygirlie Thu 25-Apr-13 21:16:26

Oh goody, two friends from school announcing bumps on bookface sad

Wimwom Thu 25-Apr-13 21:21:56

bunny shove over on the sofa as i'm joining you on the pity sofa. Had my AMH back today - not good, ovaries are running out of time sad and so as soon as thyroid ok we're straight in for IVF. Mixed feelings - at least we now know and can get on with it. Sad coz several of my other tests are borderline - so at 33 sounds like I'm not too far from the end of my natural fertility. Good news is the consultant on the phone said it means he'd try to give us twins confused
So lots of wine here tonight.
goose what's the ring like?

BlindKitty Thu 25-Apr-13 21:39:01

Hi Guys!

How are you all today? Nothing to do with anything but if you saw +2 lane on a road, would you know what it meant? Went a different way home tonight and didn't have a scooby doo what it meant! Do know now but curious to know if anyone else knows???

Winwom TOTALLY understand! I just wish he'd join in when I need to be bitchy about the instadiffers / fb shower-offers haha thank god I've got the berries for that!

BlindKitty Thu 25-Apr-13 21:41:50

Referring to my little meltdown on sun when my friend posted a picture of her bump, I took the berries advice and 'hid' all her posts! She actually thought I'd already gone on holiday as I haven't been on fb! Haven't got the heart to tell her she hasn't seen me because I'm a horrible jealous witch incapable of seeing anyone else happy haha.

Oh and she actually tagged me in a post earlier so I obviously opened it, only to find that she's changed her profile pic to the bump....

Bunnygirlie Thu 25-Apr-13 22:03:50

Hey wimwom have some wine ! Sorry about your news, such a worry. I'm 33 now and worried I may have left it too late too sad

My lovely berries, your advice please, had 2 day21ish blood tests now which have shown my levels of progesterone are low, so I guess I may not be ovulating. Doctor wants me to get another one in may (and then see her to discuss next step) but day 21 is when I'm on holiday, I don't wanna wait till mid June. Do you think I should just see the docs end of may anyway, if as I suspect I still won't be pg and ask her if we can get something happening?!?

Wimwom Thu 25-Apr-13 22:25:42

kitty why do they just not get it? My DH just seems completely oblivious to why I might not be wanting to hear all about everyone elses bumps. Now some are fine - we have a couple of friends who are struggling TTC too - but for those who are on for one every year for two or three years in a row....

bunny thanks for the wine, top up? Are you sure blds on right day of cycle? If you are then I think you need to step up the investigations. Although it's cost an arm and a leg to see the FC (apparently no NhS funding in our area for anything!) we have learnt a lot about why things aren't working. AMH has told me my ovarian reserve is low - DH was all for waiting quite a bit longer before going for IVF but now he knows time is of the essence has been doing a time line tonight of when we can do what - scary!

goose The gp wasn't really interested in anything other than filling in the forms and getting me out of her hair.

bajas glad you've come to see the light!!!

I'm now waaaay behind as I started typing the above at 7.30 then had to stop as we were off out for a meal with DP's colleagues (last Thursday of the month tradition) so I haven't read the thread since then but am going to post anyway....

...and now I'll catch up...

ww no nhs funding even to see the fc?! That's awful sad . Does that mean you'll have to pay for IVF as well? sad . We wouldn't be able to afford it if that was the case for us. Sorry to hear you had bad news, but best to get it now and know to speed up I suppose thanks , biscuit or wine , which would you like?

kitty is it a lane you can only use at certain times if you have two or more people in the car?
And on the fb thing, does your friend know you're trying? I'd be tempted to be honest and tell her that while you're pleased she's pg it's difficult to see bumps so you've filtered down on fb and she might not see as much of you posting on her wall.

This reminds me of something I saw on This Morning last year. They had a woman in who'd been ttc for years and she was talking about how difficult it was to see pg women everywhere, and how it affected every area of your life when you were struggling tc and they also had a woman who'd recently had twins and she had lots of friends who were ttc and they found her pg too difficult and she ended up feeling deserted by all her friends when she most needed their support during a high risk pg. Interesting to see both sides. I'd like to think I could still be there for a close friend, but I still wouldn't need it in my face everyday on fb!!

BoodIeBee Thu 25-Apr-13 23:58:06

Just checking in quickly from phone! WimWom, sorry to hear your not so great news, but at least you know the deal and you can get with operation IVF twins...urk! I'm bring forgetful now...who's the other Berry with low ovarian reserve?

Bunny, how long are you on holiday for? How close could you get to day 21? If you can get within 2-3 days, just get it done then and get to the docs.

bunny are you temping? Did you previously think you weren't ovulating or is it just these tests? Is day 21 the right day for you to be testing? Do you know when you have ovulated on previous cycles? I told them it was unlikely day 21 would show anything and I was told to do day 21 anyway but then come back on day 28 if AF hadn't shown, which I did. My day 21 as predicted didn't show anything but my day 28 did.

bunny I'd go with boodle's advice, do it earlier or later, whichever you think might show ovulation.
boodle are you thinking of cherry?

wim really sorry to hear about your results. Would be great to crack on and take action but I can totally understand how shitty it must be to have that kind of news.

blind, I agree, you could talk to your friend about it? not that I would be brave enough to do that sort of thing

barking how was the meal?

And do we get to see a pic of goose's ring or wot?

GooseyD Fri 26-Apr-13 07:37:21

Note: being a complete incompetent with this forum (showing my age??) I thought Bunny's post of last night was last one on here - anyway, wrote this then realised most of it had been said already... but am now late for work so here goes...

Bunny are you charting and using OPKs or fertility monitor? I guess one or the other anyway! So you know day 21 is the right time of month to do the test? What day of your cycle are you back/leave for holiday and how does that relate to your O day?
From your catch-up, sounds like end of May apt is a GP apt and they haven't referred you to hospital yet? You unfort probably have plenty of time to do more tests before you see a consultant. So (I'm no expert but) I would aim to go on hol, have doc apt, get booked in for hospital and do your next progesterone in June. The big BUT being - the GP will only refer you once they have all the basic tests back that they've sent you for, so I would call your doctor (or make an apt if they won't let you speak to him/her on phone) and check this plan with them - they should have a heart and realise you need to go on holiday but can't afford to delay referral. I'm assuming this is the last test you're waiting for?
Not sure if would be relevant but, I asked my horrible and completely ununderstanding 50 something male doctor to give me three progesterone tests in one month as my cycles are irregular. Also I've read that progesterone can fluctuate depending on how much you've had to eat and just in general, which is I suppose why your doctor is saying go for another month? (As an aside, advice on TCOYF (mainly US posters i think) was that I should use the tests for a pooled progesterone test ie consecutive or alternate days throughout end of cycle, ideally more than three, which they take an average from, however docs here said they don't do pooling and I'm not sure whether you can just take an average yourself or whether interpreting the results is a mite more complicated than that.)

Wimwom Fri 26-Apr-13 07:44:31

Awww thanks berries for understanding, I will take any wine that's on offer. Have had a good cry and now on with the next steps. Where we are nhs rules are you have to have been trying for 3 yrs, be under 35 and have a known reason for being sub fertile. You then get one round of IVF. DH is 35, I will be 35 just as we tick over 3 years and the gp says we're unknown (despite thyroid issues) so no choice but to cough up. Luckily in my youth I was a good girl and paid into an ISA which I can now cash out to pay for first round at least. Anymore than that we will have to think hard where to get cash from.... Rob a bank?!
Tfi Friday. Anyone any exciting weekend plans?

Bunnygirlie Fri 26-Apr-13 08:29:02

Morning ladies!

wim I have had bloods taken on day 24 and day 20 so I guess I could have missed it but I haven't had any +ov tests these past few months either.

boodle I'm going to be away days 20-27 so I'm screwed!

*barking and goose*I haven't temped YET but I have in the past had +ov tests but I haven't been doing them regularly. I had positives in dec day 18 and jan day 14 which is when my cycles started regulating until this one (which I blame on missing my reflexology)

WW surely they have to refer you to a fc before being able to say whether you are unexplained or not?! Or does the GP send you for hsg and ultrasound? I feel bad for whinging about waiting now, at least I can actually be seen at the fc without paying. Not sure what the rules are on IVF round here, the nurse at the fc said they didn't generally talk about IVF until they'd tried everything else as hopefully we wouldn't get that far.

Meal last night was lovely thanks thunder smile.

wim I don't know what the rules are where I live but that sounds really harsh. It's good that you have got that cushion tho if needs be.

Hi bunny how are you feeling today? Are you going to ring dic and explain the May situation?

Oo what did you have barking? Tell me it was a big chocolately ice cream feast! <drools>

Tallyra Fri 26-Apr-13 11:11:18

Hi all. wimwom you are such a strong person (and clever to have put some money aside!!). I am in awe of ladies like you who can just get on with things. In your place I think I would have crumbled.
Like I am today. I have no idea what's going on with me today.angry I'm all hormonal and angry and teary. Oh hang on, just checked my dates and green week starts today. hmm, I think I have my answer. not been following it that closely this month. I also did circuit training for the first time on Tuesday and I still hurt. Can I snuggle on the sofa please? I also need chocolate and ginger wine there as I can't have either IRL.sad

It's my day off and I'm queuing for the tip. The queue goes all the way out along the road down to the entrance and along the main road. I thought everyone else would be at work and it would be a quick job!!! Thank god for smartphones!!!

Thunder it was Chinese, and there was a lot of food. I took a box full home for the dog smile . Had ice cream for dessert but it wasn't great confused .

I'll join you on the sofa Tally but please kick me off when I get back from the tip as I have a lot of work to do so I can have a weekend free from lesson planning.....

MrsB00Mbastic Fri 26-Apr-13 11:32:07

Hi Berries!

Wimwom sorry to hear your results weren't great, must have been hard to hear. Great that you're on course for IVF asap but so sad that you can't get any help on the NHS. Hooray for your sensible finances (wishing I had done that. If it gets to that stage for us, we're screwed). Hoping you're a first-rounder and you get those promised twinnies (did you see the article on the IVF quads? 2xidenticals - maybe that'll be you!)

Tally hugs and LOADS of ginger wine. I will share it with you, am in ?maybe? shag week (or maybe it won't be for another month yet, who the hell knows?) and DH is doing his best but we didn't manage it last night or this morning, and I'm now working today and tomorrow nights so probably no go there either sad. So we can chow down on comfort chocolate and booze together.

Goosey show us the bling! (And here is my tip for engagement rings: take them off before swimming in the sea blush)

Bunny where are you going on holiday? If it's UK the doc could arrange for your bloods to be taken elsewhere??

DH came into the kitchen this morning while I was taking my 'get-me-pregnant' supplements and laughed at me. To be fair, I had a ridiculous number of pills and potions lined up on the side, it looked like a pharmacy. Problem is, I can't bear to stop taking any of them just in CASE one of them is the magic pill! <mentally slaps self round face for being a crazy fool>

MrsB00Mbastic Fri 26-Apr-13 11:58:31

Oh, and Peaches Instadiffa Geldof has just had her second baby since we started trying. And called it Phaedra.

Thanks Peaches.

<AAAAAAAARGH>

Tallyra Fri 26-Apr-13 12:04:47

Yes, but Peaches nearly died of Hg, so I can be jealous of her but never hate her...

MrsB00Mbastic Fri 26-Apr-13 12:19:34

Oh, I don't hate her, she's just given me a fit of the ol' green-eye (and I really dislike the name she gave her poor kid, but I guess that runs in the family!) I didn't know she had hg, wouldn't wish that one anyone. Just jealous of anyone who manages to pop two kids out within a year and with PCOS (or even manages to get a diagnosis of PCOS at all for that matter..!)

Tallyra Fri 26-Apr-13 12:44:31

I didn't know she had that too. She's done amazingly well then as she didn't even know she was diffed for the first one!

Being slow here but what is Hg?

And does money buy quick PCOS diagnosis?!

MrsB00Mbastic Fri 26-Apr-13 14:21:15

Thunder Hg = Hyperemesis Gravidarium (acute sickness of pregnancy). Not nice. And I would imagine that being able to go private can buy you as many tests as you want as soon as you want them!

I do actually think it depends on the doctor as to whether you get a diagnosis or not. PCOS isn't something that they've actually got a specific set of parameters for diagnosis for so it depends on the definition the doctor is using. My sister has PCOS but it took her 3 years of having hardly any periods after coming off the pill for a doctor to give her that diagnosis; yet I have a friend with PCOS who got a diagnosis within a few months. I think it helps diagnosis if you look polycystic - ie, overweight, facial/body hair, acne. But you can have PCOS without these (my sis is slim, and like me has hardly any noticeable body hair and dry rather than greasy skin).

Tallyra Fri 26-Apr-13 15:44:24

Thunder it's a bit of a crusade for me to make more people aware of it, as it's what hospitalised me each time before my mcs. It's a horrible illness because of the ridiculous situation that basic 'morning sickness' is normal, so anyone not aware of hg might not realise they are getting dehydrated and may be dismissed by doctors for being drama queens when really they need anti sickness meds and admission for a drip. Before drips, women died of this - I think one of the Bronte sisters did. It starts about 6 weeks usually so possibly before some people even know they are pg, which happened to Peaches, as she wasn't trying so no-one thought to tell her to poas and the media thought she was anorexic when really she was ill.

Sorry, I'll stop for a breath now.
If you want to find out more, stop by the hyperemesis thread in pregnancy and see what people are going through. Or look at the Pregnancy Sickness Support website www.pregnancysicknesssupport.co.UK

Tallyra Fri 26-Apr-13 15:45:44

although, be aware that there is a massive photo of a baby belly on the front page as their logo..... sad

Thank you boom and tally

Yeah I know of hyperemesis now you say it, just didnt know the abbreviation.

So can they stop your sickness tally or is it a case of just keeping you hydrated enough to suffer through? You must have so many mixed feelings about getting pg, what with that and the mc. You poor thing. thanks

Tallyra Fri 26-Apr-13 16:27:44

definitely one mixed up head here... there is no cure! there might be pre-emptive stuff that works to slow down and reduce the severity, which is basically cyclizine (antiemetic antihistamine) and vitamin b6, so I'm going to try that as soon as I get the bfp. They tried almost everything with me, including steroids but I don't think anything worked very well. steroids were the last ditch attempt but I mc soon after so that is both worrying that it might have caused it and that there wasn't enough time on them to see if it worked. I don't think they caused it but my head still tells me it might have had something to do with it...sad

Mmm that's so difficult. And very understandable because one looks for all the possible reasons for mc.

Do I remember rightly that you're waiting for a bit now- sorry if I've got that confused...

Tallyra Fri 26-Apr-13 16:47:59

Yes. I don't really want to, but waiting for gynae appt at hospital so as I know the getting duffed isn't a problem, we've got to be careful ad I want to make sure there's no easily found reason before it happens again.

Oh yeah I remember-another headf*ck for you. Similar to me and my thyroid only I am lucky enough to know the name of this problem at least. Do you have an appointment date yet?

Wimwom Fri 26-Apr-13 17:57:57

tally it sounds such a difficult position you are in. But you're doing the right thing by being as prepared as you possibly can be. We all need mixing up in here with our range of issues!

boom identical quads!!! Can you imagine the chaos.....

Am back on the sofa for wine and chocolate - though think I can come out from under the pity quilt and tentatively put my feet up on the pouffe of possibility. Ovaries might be on their last legs here - but I just need a few quality eggs, surely that's not too much to ask?!

BlindKitty Fri 26-Apr-13 20:00:46

bunny don't say you've left it too late! I'm 33 too!!!

barking YES, you're right! I drove all the way home wondering what the f* it meant haha!

Re my mate and are bikini bump, I don't think I can tell her. Its her first pregnancy and she just wants to tell the world, just wish seeing it didn't make a little bit of me die each time sad

Anyway, need to buy a bikini myself tomorrow (might even post a picture of my muffin top on fb haha), anyone seen any nice ones in the shops?

Cate555 Fri 26-Apr-13 21:35:30

Ok so I obviously have the look of an old barron lady. Came home to a dripping pipe - called my old plumber who is about 70. He spontaniously proceeds to tell me he and his wife were married 13 years with no children when she received a "very strong relic" and apparently conceived instantly!!!??? Where is the relic? I asked "Oh she had to pass that on" - very strange, he did if the pipe though. confused

BlindKitty Fri 26-Apr-13 21:54:57

Cate ah thats where I'm going wrong! <goes off to find random relic>

Cate555 Fri 26-Apr-13 22:18:38

Ha ha Kitty if you find one pass it onto me

BlindKitty Fri 26-Apr-13 22:24:04

<pictures old plumber's wife wrestling toothy relic fiend monster>

Evening my lovelies wine anyone?

Right I reckon we need a bfp here <states bloody obvious>
Didn't we agree that someone was going to open the floodgates and lead us to glory? Come on?? I'll give it a go but realistically it will not be May- but I can put myself forward for June if that helps?!

Cate555 Fri 26-Apr-13 22:57:18

Oh Cats too funny grin

I selflessly offered to open the floodgates thunder but trying beat me to it. I'm on my vit B6 this cycle though so you never know, cycle 17 could be my cycle!! Have to dtd to get pg though, and I ordered DP to the spare room when he gets home tonight as he got very drunk and decided to head out to 'be wingman' to one of his very drunk mates when I was ready to drive home at 11.45. He promised he'd stick to 2 or 3 pints unless it was a 'special occasion.' He's not seen this mate in a while as he moved away last year. His definition of a 'special occasion' and mine apparently differ quite markedly. angry

Bunnygirlie Sat 27-Apr-13 01:53:00

Just got in so missed everything tonight, will catch up when i get up tomorrow! Too many wines drunk, time for bed x

Oh yeah I remember barking, although I reckon that we need a regular berry 'wingman' to start the surge through the floodgates after trying so you still have a job to do. Not good about your DH at this point though- shall I write him a strongly worded note on behalf of the berries?

Good on you bunny, hope you had a good time!

BlindKitty Sat 27-Apr-13 08:47:10

thunder hell yeh we need a BFP! Its bound to be me hahahahaha

Going for lunch today with someone I met on last hol. DH wants to drive which means I'll be tempted by the vino...

I was talking to a friend last night who is going though a difficult time in her 12 year relationship - marriage and babies came up and he's 'not sure' but 'definitely not in the next couple of years'. I'm sorry but when you've been together that long and you're both in your 30's you really should know.... They are now living separately but are still together (that's a long story).
Anyway, she was saying the same about married people as we do about pg women - two of our mutual friends went round to see her this week and all they did was talk about their weddings!! At least when pg women flaunt their bumps they can't actually help it, and when they talk about babies they don't necessarily know others around them are ttc, but you'd think people would have more tact than to talk endlessly about weddings with someone who is going through a really bad time in their relationship!!

barking that is tough for your friend. Although has it not come up before?! I always think its best to make sure you're not on totally different pages about this sort of important stuff fairly early on, but then maybe I am totally a over-controlling witch at times! I would be really hurt if I were her about the marriage bit too- why not for a couple of years? They've already devoted 12years of their lives together but he is not ready to make a formal commitment? Er hello?

Does she want me to write a strongly worded letter as well?

kitty boozey lunch sounds great! Tricky with what to do afterwards- for me it's either sleep or push on through with the wine and it usually ends up being the latter

I would say the same now, but only after bitter experience... My ex didn't want kids but it was never a clear 'no' and when we got together it was 'nothing serious' as both of us were recently out of relationships and not looking to jump into another and he lived 200 miles away from me etc etc, so whether he wanted kids or not didn't matter, it was just a short term thing for a bit of fun. Didn't work out very well and it certainly didn't end up fun, but that's a whole other story. angry angry angry angry

I can't imagine the conversation hasn't come up with them before, but all our friends are currently getting married and having babies, so I guess it's suddenly taken on a new urgency and importance. Her DP is ridiculously laid back so I imagine he's just been saying 'one day' for years, but now it's time to bite the bullet he's not actually sure.

Anyway, off on a bike ride, see you later!! grin

Bunnygirlie Sat 27-Apr-13 10:14:14

Morning! So what did I miss? Anything exciting?

MrsB00Mbastic Sat 27-Apr-13 10:23:06

barking yups! I suppose people just don't realise how hurtful it is. I know I've probably been guilty on both counts: thoughtless wedding chat to singletons and thoughtless pg announcements to ttc-ers. So I understand how easy it is to accidentally be cruel - hopefully I've learnt my lesson the bloody hard way Grrr at your DP and his drunken shenanigans btw!

Thunder yes! We need to storm the Witch's castle, lower the drawbridge and release the eggs! <saddles up charger> errr, anyone coming? We could find ancient fertility relics on the way?? Anyone?

Frogcatcher Sat 27-Apr-13 11:15:28

My DP also been a drunken nightmare a couple of times this week so sympathy barking. At least I'm in 2ww now so don't care as much beyond trying to save the swimmers from being pickled for when in case I need them in 3m time. He's really stressed out too so just being a nightmare generally. I told him I was thinking of booking on a yoga retreat next weekend as he's working which shook him a bit. Btw berries do you think that will be ok as it's a detox one too & it's going to be 11-14DPO (FF gave me crosshairs on cd14) so I cld be early pg but won't know? Reckon it will stop me stressing pre AF anyway.
<winds up rusty unused handle to open floodgates of BFP>
Seriously if its not my month this cycle then there's something wrong as I Ov'd on cd14 & we DTD on cd10, 12 & 14 - I just don't think we're ever gonna manage better than that!

Tallyra Sat 27-Apr-13 11:42:11

Frog, As you're not stuffing bad stuff in, I can't see what problems a detox would have. if you are duffed, all the better for having a 'clean out' I'd say! every time I've MCD I've always been told that nothing I did was the cause of it. Don't stress about it wink

PuppyMummy Sat 27-Apr-13 11:51:06

morning all. just checking in! cd 15 here so into the 2ww. af due tues 7th May.

having a lazy sat so far but got cleaning to do later!

hope u all have a good day

Oh yeah barking that is quite a common situation and it's not like you can really pin someone down to whether they want kids or not when you are just starting out. There has to be a point though where it is raised and people have to think carefully about what they really do want. Very sad when it doesn't work out as a result.

boom I'm with you! <charger whinnies and paws the ground>

frog great effort, fx you will be up there in the battle charge.

BoodIeBee Sat 27-Apr-13 14:19:35

Good morrow my ladies! (Or perhaps, noble squires?)

Urrrrm...yeah, whilst the BFP battle charge sounds great in theory, I went past a sign on my TTC journey a little while ago that said 'abandon hope, all ye that pass yonder' so that's exactly what I did. I will, however, sit on the grassy bank on the other side of the moat and make like a mediaeval cheerleader as you load the catapult with steaming great VATS of FMU.

<Sigh>

I don't know what's gone on this month but I have had no crosshairs on FF, despite temperatures being up. A strangely timed +OPK has confuzzled it all. I'm just waiting for AF to turn up so I can book my HSG and get on with things.

I am jealous of Bunny and the many wines! I'm not much of a drinker at all, but I really did fancy a tipple (or twelve) last night. Thought better of it though as I've put on about half a stone this year already...no way will you ever catch me in a bikini facebook photo!

BoodIeBee Sat 27-Apr-13 14:21:44

VATS?! With capitals?! I really need to get the hang of autocorrect at the moment...every message I have sent recently has at least one ridiculous mistake in it!

Oh, and Barking, yes, it was Cherry I was thinking of, thanks! Memory blank!

GooseyD Sat 27-Apr-13 16:17:20

Wimwom, sorry that you've had bad news and that the NHS is SOOO crap in your area. Like Barking I will wind back on the complaints about medical support now I know how lucky I am in my area. I had no idea it varied so much. So is it a private FC (fertility consultant?) you've been seeing? At least that arm and a leg sounds like it got you good advice.

Bunny do you know what the next step for you is after seeing GP end of May? Re charting, it's helped me feel a lot more in control. I found it tedious at first and now its just a part of the routine and a lot less hassle than the other lovely things like peeing all over your fingers again, damn these stupid tests in a pot every morning. Not having +ves on the OPKs is really worrying, I'm so sorry about that. I found the same for a while and it's really depressing. As someone else here I think mentioned, it can be because LH doesn't nec hang around for 24 hours so you might miss it. Have you tried a fertility monitor? - bit pricey but I've been finding it much easier to get along with.

Something that my GP said really struck me though - she said that charting and OPKs/fertility monitors can help but NEVER take them as gospel. She said that the results can be misleading for some people and that if you time the deed by it it can be the reason you're not getting pregnant!!!!! DH (or should it be DF in my case? I haven't really got the hang of these acronyms) nearly packed his case when I told him she'd said we really need to dtd nothing short of every two days throughout most of cycle.

You're all very lovely asking to see the ring! I wouldn't know where to start with posting a photo... but it's sapphires and diamonds and I love it.

And what the hell are crosshairs??!

CharmingCats Sat 27-Apr-13 16:38:07

<takes a deep breath> Instadiffer SIL is instadiffed for a second time. She sent DH (her bro) a text this morning. I sobbed for an hour. It's due in January, so, like last time she has told us very early, probably on viewing the test, and, also like last time, they have timed it perfectly for her career plans. She will, no doubt have another perfect pg and birth. I feared she was going to announce when we saw them on the Easter weekend, as she had a little belly, where there is never one to be seen. They probably conceived around then..... I had been thinking about it last night and thought they'd probably wait a while as they want to move in the summer, and I'd be pg by then, obvs. So, when we all head off for their cousin's wedding in June (who is also diffed thanks to their shared instadiffing genes), I will be into my 10th month of ttc. Can't wait. I don't even know how they've been dtd as their ds is up most of the night demanding bf and bil often sleeps on the sofa, so they can't have been doing it much or often. ffs.
To make matters worse, I've been having phantom pg symptoms and was genuinely beginning to wonder this morning whether I could be pg. Why would I be, huh? I can't even get a job interview, let alone conceive. If genetics play a significant role, I'm fucked. It's made me wonder at what point do we call time on ttc and get on with life, for real.
Went to town to take my mind off it and to shell out for more cbfm sticks as I've only got 2 left and was greeted by babies and bumps everywhere. Hayfever is doing my head in, I feel sick and tired and dizzy (think folic acid doesn't agree with me). My hats off and heart goes out to you berries who have been ttc longer than me. I'm starting to wilt inside and it hasn't been that long, in the grand scheme of things.
DH was very sweet, but doesn't know what to do or say for the best. I'm tempted to tell SIL that we're ttc and, while we're very happy for them, I can't cope with details at the moment. I'm also tempted to tell my parents, so that I can have some support. It's felt like a dirty secret, like my depression did until we started telling people.
I have noticed that these things come in threes, so waiting for the next 2 announcements and really hoping that they come from berries.

GooseyD Sat 27-Apr-13 17:08:39

Hi Charming nice to have some company on the sofa here, help me nosh through this tray of muffins I cooked myself to sweeten Aunt Flo's weekend stay!

GooseyD Sat 27-Apr-13 17:20:36

I also had a completely irrational feeling that this month I was pg even though I'm pretty sure it's impossible with a 7 day LP!

I don't know what you're low down is, whether you know any reasons for not getting pg quickly?

BoodIeBee Sat 27-Apr-13 17:22:22

Charming, much sympathy for instadiffing SIL. Mine had a baby last year and I'm absolutely dreading her doing it again and announcing a second before I can even manage a first. Have also got quite a few friends who got their first early on when I began TTC and must be due to start announcing second babies any day now. <Grabs duvet under which to bury head.>

Have spent this afternoon alternating between marking and reading HSG horror stories online. There are definitely more bad than good accounts out there and now I am bricking going for one next cycle. Stupid, stupid me. sad

GooseyD Sat 27-Apr-13 17:29:10

BoodIe sounds like you me and Barking are all heading for HSG around same time - I can book mine on Monday. Feel quite nervous I have to say - have you been told you have to take anibiotics and painkillers before? Also weird getting head around not trying this month.

CharmingCats Sat 27-Apr-13 17:34:55

Muffins, you say? Don't mind if I do. SIL conceived her first at our wedding. ffs.
boodle I think there will be more second dcs now. Come away from the HSG horror stories. Not worth it. Seem to remember berries having had them and that they were fine. Internet full of people exaggerating shit.
Goosey I've had crazy long cycles since coming off the pill, but clear scan of ovaries (some cysts, but consultant not concerned), and normal bloods. Going for a day 21 progesterone test in 3 cycles time - whenever that may be! I'm on cd 24 now, but I have no idea when or if I've ov, as cbfm has read 'high' since cd 6 and I didn't start the opks til last Wednesday. Could have happened already, or not yet. Hoping that acupuncture will have regulated things, but don't know yet as this is my first cycle after a 100+ day cycle. We shall see.

GooseyD Sat 27-Apr-13 17:43:43

Charming is cbfm the Clearblue fertility monitor? If so, do you use a different type of ovulation test too? Why is that? 100+ cycle must have been scarey - I get really mixed emotions whenever I get a freak long cycle, like could I be pg, or are my cycles just getting less frequent? But at least after pill there is a reason for it - how long ago did you stop, were you on it for ages?

GooseyD Sat 27-Apr-13 17:44:16

and what is dcs?

GooseyD Sat 27-Apr-13 17:47:15

Sorry, slow reactions here - your SIL conceived AT your wedding????!

CharmingCats Sat 27-Apr-13 17:48:54

yes, Clear blue fertility monitor. I also use ic opks, but have just switched to them from clear blue digitals.

dcs - dear children. Realise now that I didn't need the s at the end!!
I was on the pill for about 5 years, although I did have a break somewhere in there of about 6 months. I stopped taking it last August, had three cycles of 42 days, then 107 now cd24! Hurrah!

How are you feeling about the tests etc?

CharmingCats Sat 27-Apr-13 17:50:03

I'm not sure if it was during the reception, as it were hmm. no, I meant she conceived over that weekend.

BoodIeBee Sat 27-Apr-13 18:03:16

Goosey, yep, if you're in the same boat as Barking, then you're in there with me too! Barking and I got our FC referrals at a similar time and then in the end my FC appointment was exactly a week before hers. I was tearing my hair out during February as Barking got her appointment letter through really quickly, and then they took aaaaaaages to send me mine!

After being so slow with my initial appointment letter, they were very quick to send me the date for my 3 month follow-up (which is early July). In the meantime, I've got the HSG to look forward to, and I've had to get progesterone tests done again (all to date have been on CD21, which didn't work for my cycle). They are also checking prolactin.

Charming, I'm so glad no one conceived at my wedding - that would have really left a bitter taste in my mouth, but then I don't even like to look at my wedding photos any more as it just makes me sad to reflect on how I felt that day - so excited about buying a house and making babies...

Actually, I'm pretty sure everyone at our wedding was far too drunk and full of food to do anything other than pass out! grin It was one of those weddings!

charming I too have a pg SiL and it stinks. I'm on cycle 17 so our baby should if life was fair have been in between her two in age, but no, she's already on her second while we're still thing for number one... I am desperate to be pg before she pops it out in September as it would just be unbearable. If you have a good relationship with your SiL I would definitely tell her. I haven't seen my SiL in person since she announced but she has for no known reason defriended and blocked me on fb. She's the wife of DP's brother but DP and his brother are not close. They have nothing in common at all. They both rate material things over everything and call DP an 'eternal student' just because he doesn't go out and spend a fortune on flash cars and designer labels etc. I want to point out that we are close to paying off our mortgage (well, in 4 years if not sooner) while they are paying interest only on theirs, can't afford to move to the big house in the nice area that they want, and still regularly have to borrow money from his (retired) mother!!!!
I don't think that would assist family harmony though....

goose & boodle I'm not worrying about the hsg as I'm only on cd12 I think, so I'll be able to hear from both of you how it is before I'll be able to book mine wink .

GooseyD Sat 27-Apr-13 18:26:04

Hmm, it was the weekend of my sister's wedding we started TTC... maybe I'm being punished for the insensitive timing! 4 years down the track she's TTC#2 and I'm still whistling in the wind...

Strangely comforting to be having HSG at same time as two other Berries - I'm really glad I found this group.

Boodle - both you and Barking have mentioned appointments set up for post HSG - I don't have one, do you think I should ring GP or hospital to ask about that? What is a prolactin test? I've just had my second set of progesterone tests done - day 20, 23 and 25 in a 28 day cycle with short LP. I've just got my day 23 one back and it is 42 smile - although I'm pretty sure that with a short LP you still can't sustain a pregnancy. They sent the other two to a different place confused so I have to wait til my GP tracks them down!

Charming, why do you use both the monitor and the OPKs? Fingers crossed this time your cycle will settle down, that sounds just crazy, all that uncertainty - but sometimes it does take ages after stopping the pill doesn't it?
Thanks for asking re the HSG, I'm really not looking forward to it, I've got this nagging feeling it could damage something though I've been told there's 0 risk of that. In fact, the doctor said that though no official statistics apparently sometimes people just conceive naturally post HSG...

goose the nurse told me that sometimes the ink flushes out any mucus that might have been in the tubes which is why some women get pg next cycle.

And about the appointment, I don't know how it works where you are but my next appointment is my first with the doctor at the fertility clinic and s/he will then have the results of the hsg and the scan to discuss with me so s/he'll know whether to pat me on the head and give me clomid or whether there's a bigger problem.

I just hope I see the results of the hsg as they happen, I'm really not good at waiting!!!!

Bunnygirlie Sat 27-Apr-13 18:57:09

Evening all! Been lying under the sofa today with a mini hangover! Deffo needed a few drinkies but there is a reason I don't do this very often! lol

Hubby out all day today so been chilling on my own and he won't be back till late, night on the pity sofa ladies?

goose not sure what the next step is. Berries, anybody else had low progesterone on their results?

Oh cats that's rotten, damn your SiL!  I know how you feel, I'm on day 3 of cycle 12 so its a short time compared with a lot of berries but it's still bloody horrid!

happylass Australia Sat 27-Apr-13 18:58:58

Charming so sorry you're feeling down. Sending massive hugs. My SIL mentioned the other day that she wants another baby. She's my bridesmaid and got a feeling she's going to try to pop one out before our wedding next year - which is exactly what I'm trying to do grrr!! Looks like I'm going to have to put a no sex clause in my wedding invites so no one gets upduffed the weekend of my wedding!!
Other people's announcements don't usually bother me but I've seen 4 on FB in the last few days which is really taking the piss!
Cd15 here. Was feeling really pleased with myself for climbing southern Britain's highest mountain this morning. Feel totally rubbish now though and think I've caught DP's lurgy. With both of us having been ill there hasn't been a great deal of DTD action in the happy household this cycle sad

happylass Australia Sat 27-Apr-13 19:12:06

Oh and Goose crosshairs are the red lines FF puts on your chart to predict OV. I switched to FF from another charting app a few months ago because I wanted the crosshairs!!

CharmingCats Sat 27-Apr-13 19:55:51

goose, I've only just started using the monitor, so it's not tuned to my cycles yet and has only given 'high' readings for 18 days, so don't want to miss ov. Also, decided to throw everything at it this cycle to see where it gets me.

Berries who use ic OPKs - advice please. The line has been getting darker over the last 4 days. Today it was still not as dark as control, but definitely darker than yesterday. Does this mean ov is coming? So, would today be a good time to dtd?

BlindKitty Sat 27-Apr-13 20:18:46

barking gutted for your friend. Does make me realise how lucky I have to have a dh on the same page. I think its time your friend finds herself someone who wants to comit! Thinking my ttc issues might actually be karma now as I was very blatant with my wedding planning!

thunder managed to keep to just 2 glasses. It’s the pizza that came after today! Ooops!

Poas earlier and surprise surprise the usual, but then not quite sure when af is due anyway

BlindKitty Sat 27-Apr-13 20:32:55

oh and guys, my mate went to see her fc the other day and he told her not to use preseed as all lube can affect sperm, and if she was was desperate to use water!

Bunnygirlie Sat 27-Apr-13 20:58:52

Balls! Water doesn't do anything!

Tallyra Sat 27-Apr-13 21:07:23

Idiot fc! if we need lube we need it. I actually need it fairly often, and water is worse than nothing.

BlindKitty Sat 27-Apr-13 21:12:38

Not that I've tried it, I can't imagine it would! Has made me wonder whether I should try to go without though...

Bunnygirlie Sat 27-Apr-13 21:38:13

I need assistance so without lube the is no DTDing at all!

BlindKitty Sat 27-Apr-13 21:46:24

well if I made a bit more effort I wouldn't need it, but when you're dtd every other day I just want to get on with it! Maybe I should try some 50 shades or something before hand haha!

did ask the fc about it but she initially rubbished the suggestion, only to actually suggest it later on! who knows?!

I wouldn't get through shag week without preseed and given the number of reviews on amazon from happy upduffed women I'm going to stick with it (or not wink ).

Bunnygirlie Sat 27-Apr-13 22:27:53

It's just pure luck innit! Some people get pg using condoms, being in the pill, using normal lube, it's just us unlucky buggers that struggle sad

BoodIeBee Sat 27-Apr-13 22:33:01

Aha, Blind, but note that her FC didn't say what kind of effect the preseed has on the swimmers! Maybe it makes them swim like Michael Phelps!? If that's the case, I'll carry on with it, thanks very much! wink
Alternatively, perhaps her FC has shares in Robitussin and wants to try to lure people away from the magic EWCM in a tube. smile

Charming, I use cheapy OPKs, and if I start using them very early in my cycle, I get faint lines that must be just my natural LH level. They then start to get gradually darker, usually taking 3-4 days to get to a positive reading. After that they quickly return to the very faint 'baseline'. In other words, when I see my line starting to darken, I get on with DTD, and then more often than not, Ov comes 4-5 days later.

GooseyD Sat 27-Apr-13 22:38:24

Don't - a friend of mine got pg 'by accident' last year ... I mean, seriously?? at our age, do you not know what might get you pg?? smile

MrsB00Mbastic Sat 27-Apr-13 22:39:46

Ok, so I have a lube question that is going to be WAAAAY tmi, but going to ask it anyway.

I don't need preseed, because when I'm in the mood there's plenty in the way of natural lube. But don't get EWCM ever unless I'm in the mood for rudies (ie never get it spontaneously as an ov predictor), so got told to use preseed to make it a less hostile environment (hostile. huh. Not like it has teeth now is it?) But surely if I get ewcm when I'm getting my jiggy on, I don't actually need preseed? I'm very confused about this now...

GooseyD Sat 27-Apr-13 22:48:09

Id never even heard of preseed (but glad I have now!). Don't think you need anything unless it's to help the mechanics so to speak... but others might know better.

BoodIeBee Sat 27-Apr-13 23:01:15

Hmmm, MrsBoombastic - the EWCM that indicates ovulation is on the way isn't the same stuff as the wetness you get when sexually aroused though. I have read this online before but not from a massively reputable source... here

I don't get much in the way of EWCM, if at all but I am usually fine for DTD, as long as we put in the preparation time! If we can't be bothered, that's when the 'conceive plus' comes out!

I've been pondering this lately, as FC did mention the possibility of having a hostile environment in my uterus (oh Monica and Chandler, if only I'd known...) whether I should just squirt a load of lube up there before, and then a load more afterwards to try and ward off my potentially sperm-murdering womb!!!

boodle I have visions of lots of little creatures with spears lining the walls of your womb and stabbing sperm on the end of their spears like they're catching fish.
Flush them all out with sperm friendly lube!!!

<imagines the lube as a load of clear jelly babies rushing in, sweeping away the creatures with spears, putting up party banners for the sperm and making them cups of tea so they stick around grin >

BoodIeBee Sat 27-Apr-13 23:22:37

There's a lovely children's book in there somewhere, Barking!

Hmmm. Working title: "How babies are made when the stork keeps dropping them in the wrong bloody places".

BoodIeBee Sat 27-Apr-13 23:27:39

Perhaps I should get DH to agree to the ol' turkey baster technique. I could put a whole tube of sperm friendly lube in with it and then just go for a 'tidal wave' approach...

-only half joking now I think about it

BoodIeBee Sat 27-Apr-13 23:29:55

In my case, I think the stork has permanently migrated...or been shot by a hunter...or is caught in a garden pond fishing net somewhere. It definitely hasn't been anyway near the BoodlePad.

Tallyra Sat 27-Apr-13 23:50:41

Bloody faceache!!! Another diffed friend. Well, school friend who just got married but I haven't seen in years. not just the usual announcement though, oh no! she puts the scan photo up and yells us it's a girl all at once! angry angry angry envy

And I'm with you all with the SIL thing too. we both started TTC at the same time. she had a few problems but ds is now 16 months and they are talking about another one. MIL was talking to me about it as SIL lives in Africa and MIL pretty much treats me like a daughter, which is lovely, but she knows enough about me and our problems to be able to comprehend that this might hurt, surely?!sad

It baffles me, but people genuinely don't seem to get it at all. It's almost like they know you want a baby so you must like talking about babies and hearing about everyone else who is having one confused confused . I texted a good friend when I found out SiL was pg and she texted back a photo of her baby with food all over his face saying 'at least you don't have to deal with this' hmm .
I would expect her to understand more than anyone among my friends as she had an ectopic pg (although that wasn't planned and she was younger) and then after she was married she had a mc that she found really difficult. But really? A friend texts you in distress about yet more baby news that isn't their own, and you send them back a picture of your baby???!!? confused

Not ranting about it ha ha I'm totally over it really , just giving an example in reply to tallyra of how people really don't get it

Which is why it's so lovely to have all the berries who really do get it!! grin although when I think about it we do do a lot of talking about babies and other people's babies but that's ok because in here you can do it with an angry and a envy and no one expects you to be all grin

GooseyD Sun 28-Apr-13 08:46:36

There is no getting it I think - maybe people feel they'd be patronising us if edited what they would talk about normally, that's the only thing I can think. My mum was chatting to me yesterday about my sister being TTC#2 and the difficulties (financially etc), and when I said that one dc was jolly nice anyway she said something about oh but the biological urge is so strong, it would be so hard to stop at one!!!!! This is my mum who I have confessed to about not wanting to see pg friends and friends with kids. So I have officially given up expecting people to be sensitive.

GooseyD Sun 28-Apr-13 08:49:22

Barking that is a serious lack of empathy on your friends part though - I meand do you think she's clueless enough to think that that was actually going to cheer you up? You have to suppose so.

Bunnygirlie Sun 28-Apr-13 09:33:24

Ugh why are people so insensitive sad

I'm lucky in the fact that my Sil & Bil had their two before we were married, and DH tells me they tried for a year to get their first. But if my unmarried sister who doesn't live with her boyf of one year were to say she was pg I would freak out!!!

MrsB00Mbastic Sun 28-Apr-13 09:52:33

Boodle I think the stork has been captured by Aunt Flo. She's probably keeping it in a battery farm, forcing it to deliver babies for Jeremy Kyle contestants and contravening animal welfare standards. Let's report her.

Barking bloody hell, who needs enemies when you have friends like that! I hope she at least got a sarky comment in return...or a picture of a swanky couples-only resort with the caption 'our next holiday! Bet you wish you could still do this!' because that's what I would do

Goosey inclined to agree, I think people try to pretend nothing's wrong and overcompensate. You know like when someone's got a black eye or something and you try not to look at it but end up staring? It's like that only with baby conversation.

Poor everyone with knocked up SILs. My SIL is actually on the same page as me, she's been trying for about 3 years and no joy. She never talks about it though, so I feel bad banging on about our issues when she has it worse as she's been trying longer, shame really because she's the only person I know well who's going through the same thing. That said, I think she might be of the 'take it or leave it' mentality as she certainly hasn't been to FC or anything yet - hard to know!

I have a creeping feeling that there's going to be a pregnancy announcement from one of my friends soon. She's only just had her first in Oct and when we were talking about when she was going back to work she was pretty evasive - I smell a bun in the oven!

MrsB00Mbastic Sun 28-Apr-13 09:58:21

Oh and just found the post that got delivered yesterday, it seems I have a date with the dildocam in a couple of weeks' time to see if ovaries are looking polycystic. If they are I think I get a PCOS diagnosis, if not that's it until August. Not sure which to hope for! hmm

BlindKitty Sun 28-Apr-13 10:13:21

peanut I never get the stretchy cm either (I don't think). I did ask the fc but she said it didn't matter. Am wondering if I too might have a hostile environment. Am going to ask if I can have a post coital test to check I'm not murdering the swimmers!

lol at kidnapped stork!

So how is everyone today? So busy today you'd think I'd stopping chatting on mn wouldn't you Ranging from yoga to washing duvet of cat sick

Frogcatcher Sun 28-Apr-13 10:20:32

Congrats on dildocam appt mrsboom & sympathy for all other berries on pg SILs & friends. I'm lucky that as DP is 43 & the youngest his sisters are both past child bearing age tho popped out 3 each. I just have his instadiffer child 18 yr old niece to contend with. At least the SiLs are bringing the baby into a stable home environment & not doing it after being with some bloke 2 min cos they're too lazy to get a job (DPs view).

Got an invite to one of my first close friends to have kids daughters 3rd birthday party on Friday. I'm ok with that really as I hadn't even met DP 3 years ago but can see how it would hurt if I'd been TTC that long. A few of mine did instadiff tho which lulled me into a bit of a false sense of security & now makes me feel like I'm failing even tho its only been 6m.

Frogcatcher Sun 28-Apr-13 10:23:32

Oh & it varies whether I get EWCM or not. I did get some this month but used to get loads more in the past before TTC & I didnt really know what it was all about! Apparently you produce less as you get older sad. We didn't use any conceive plus this month as didn't seem to be required blush

Frogcatcher Sun 28-Apr-13 10:28:53

LOL just read boodles link & it says not to check for EWCM during sex. If someone is managing to do that then it might explain why theyre not getting pg!

Tallyra Sun 28-Apr-13 10:49:13

I used to get lots of ewcm, back before I knew what it meant. Now not so much. Odd - as soon as I'm looking for it,it disappears.....

Bunnygirlie Sun 28-Apr-13 10:49:30

Lol boodle and at mrsbs kidnapped stork!

Morning all, anyone else hungover??

Shhhhhhhhh

angry to all the instadiffer not-really-relatives-but-close-enough-to-easily-make-direct-comparisons

I too no longer seem to get ewcm but I remember getting it in the past. We don't use lube either- need to keep the pressure off the whole dtd thing so just have to 'juice up' (ref how I met your mother....anyone?)

yorkiebilb Sun 28-Apr-13 11:46:53

Morning all!

Haven't been on for a few days so feel like I've missed loads. Will have a proper catch up read in a bit.

Bunny sorry to read that AF arrived. thunder & boom saw that you were feeling down. Hope you're both okay and feeling a little bit better.

boom think you wrote something about considering yoga - I say go for it. I'm not flexible in the slightest and was worried about going to a class so I bought a yoga book from whsmith and do it at home. It's lovely and really recommend it - some of the positions are meant to be good for increasing fertility.

Re: insensitive comments. I wholeheartedly agree with everyone. On Fri a guy I work with was talking to me about his son then out of nowhere asked me if I was going to start trying soon. I barely know him! He caught me off guard and I just said I didn't want to talk about it so ge then carries on saying that me and DH should make the most of being on our own. SHUT UP!! Typically I then end up feeling guilty for saying I don't want to talk about it!

Tallyra Sun 28-Apr-13 14:44:31

Guys, in a blubbering mess. went over to my mum's to feed my sister's rabbit as they are away this weekend. (sister moved out but rabbit stayed... ).
Rabbit was quite old and arthritic so I went to give her painkillers and she pretty much just lay over and died. I've made phone calls to let them know and made a cup of tea and now I'm trying to calm down. It's the fact that I was supposed to be looking after her that hurts most. I was worried about her yesterday so I had a feeling she wouldn't last long, but did I have to watch???

Cate555 Sun 28-Apr-13 15:16:31

Tallyra that is just awful!! Poor bunny but it sounds like it had a great life and was well looked after. Hope you get over the shock - eat chocolate.

BlindKitty Sun 28-Apr-13 15:52:24

Oh tallyra thats awful! At least your sister will have the comfort that he was with with you when he went xxxxx

Hug for tally, what a sad day. I know it must have been awful but it's definitely a comfort that you were with her when she went.

Hi yorkie, how are you doing? Apart from having to put up with absolute twats making comments like that. Particularly AFTER you say you don't want to talk about it!

Wimwom Sun 28-Apr-13 16:12:09

tally poor you - I would be worse than a blubbering mess. How did your sister take it?
all having HSGs I had one two weeks ago. Took two paracetamol and ibuprofen before, was absolutely fine - just undignified with the legs in the air business (but no worse than dildocam) little bit crampy when they put the dye in - but quite interesting to see tubes/lining etc so that takes mind off it. Don't worry about it for sure. My cons said there is an increase in natural conception for the few cycles after so we should really go for it.... Like we weren't anyway!

Tallyra Sun 28-Apr-13 16:17:11

Thanks for the sympathy girls. dh was lovely on the phone but he went out for a bike ride after I left so now have an over excited dog I keep shouting at so I decided to hide. currently sitting in my sewing den eating chocolate spread and watching indulgent crap tv.
Sister took it well - she was possibly more concerned at how upset I was. but then she hadn't really seen her much this last year as she's been buying a house 60 miles away.

BlindKitty Sun 28-Apr-13 16:36:50

tallyra you have a sewing den??? Choc spread rocks! Have you tried the cadbury's philli? x

Frogcatcher Sun 28-Apr-13 16:42:50

Hugs tally I am such an animal softie that I felt upset just reading it. As everyone said though he's obviously had a long life & if he was in pain from his arthritis it was probably for the best.

I thought of you yesterday btw when I saw a sign near me for a quilting exhibition.

6dpo so crazy symptom spotting has started - got the freaky greasy hair today that I randomly got the other month too. Not so convinced tho that didn't have a small glass of wine with lunch at my parents - pre implantation it's all ok right? blush

BlindKitty Sun 28-Apr-13 16:54:41

well in the last 2 weeks I've managed to leave the keys in the front door all night (next to the car), left the car open today, and then later the window open!!! Really hoping its pregnancy brain although its prob me just being dim!!!!

Bunnygirlie Sun 28-Apr-13 17:14:07

Hey ladies!

thunder how's the hangover? Mine was bit rotten yesterday!

yorkie what an insensitive jerk you work with!

tally Awwww poor rabbit :-( 

Guess what, my friend who is pregnant with her fourth is having a quadruple christening and has just asked me to be godparent to number 3!!! aaaagh sad

BlindKitty Sun 28-Apr-13 17:23:28

bunny my friend asked me a while back. Wouldn't mind but she reckons he was practically my idea as we talked about it at my wedding. on the way home, they pulled over in a layby ....and you can guess the rest!

tbf though, shes prob asking you as she knows what a good god mother you'll make smile

BoodIeBee Sun 28-Apr-13 18:11:14

Awww, Tally, so sorry you've had to deal with that today. Pets are just there to break our hearts, aren't they? I've never been there for any of my pets passing/being put down before (the two I've got now are my real first, as opposed to being family cats with my parents) but a few years ago I stopped to help with a dog that had been hit by a car. It very sadly died and it was just so traumatic, even though I didn't know this dog at all. I was going to tell the full story (there were some absolute bastard bystanders) but realise you may not want to think about sad things like that.

On the TTC front, I'm maybe 6-7DPO (no cross-hairs but temps are right up so pretty sure ov happened) and have been having PMS symptoms all week. Spotting started today. I'm fed up with this - I'm almost jealous of the 2WW because at least you have a time of hope! Honestly, by the time I can (usually) see ovulation has occurred, I've got all the classic PMS signs that AF is already rolling in. It's crap. sad

yorkiebilb Sun 28-Apr-13 18:31:57

Yes the guy at work is an idiot. This is the same guy who when he found out that my fil had died asked me how old he was and when I replied 70 his only comment was well he lived to a good age! Errr not sure my poor DH and the family see it like that and thanks for your bloody sympathy!!

tally so sad about the bunny. I'm v jealous of your sewing den!

wim sorry just been catching up and just wanted to say so sorry about your test results. Hope your gp is pushing to get you seen as soon as possible so you know what your options are.

thunder I'm okay thanks. Currently pre ov so in my usual vaguely optimistic mood before the 2ww window hits and the worrying starts! You? When are your next blood tests?

boodIe blind frog fx for your 2ww.

Tallyra Sun 28-Apr-13 18:43:05

boodle unfortunately I can imagine the crappy reactions some wankers may have had. People can be bastards.

Yes, I have an entire room dedicated to sewing, with my pre dh music setup, CDs and computer all in the same place. I love it grin
Unfortunately when I say chocolate, I really mean carob. Got to stay away from cocoa because of migraines sad

BoodIeBee Sun 28-Apr-13 19:00:01

Yorkie, my 2ww is over before it's begun! Spotting is already here. At least I can book my HSG in a couple of days.

Tally let's put it this way, it was rush hour on a busy A road and the only people who tried to help were me and a massively pregnant woman in the car in front. sad

yorkiebilb Sun 28-Apr-13 19:04:15

Ahh sorry boddle didn't read properly. What a load of cr@p!!!

BoodIeBee Sun 28-Apr-13 19:16:21

S'alright, Yorkie, I'm used to it by now but I do just wish I could have a little bit of time to be ignorant and hopeful. I get PMS for about 6 days in the run up, then 3 days of spotting, then 4-5 day AF, then another 2-3 days of spotting...given that I only have maximum of 27 day cycles, that's some really depressing maths.

BlindKitty Sun 28-Apr-13 19:31:39

tally I love the idea of having my own room!!! Well I guess there is the nursery going spare.....

hmmm don't worry about sharing the carob haha

yorkiebilb Sun 28-Apr-13 19:37:07

I'm not too far off you boodle so do understand. No pre AF spotting like you but post making AF last 7/8 days in a 24/25 day cycle.

Bunnygirlie Sun 28-Apr-13 19:38:10

Thanks kitty I'd like to think its coz i'd make a good godmother but when you have 4 kids it could just be she's run out of people confused

Had meltdown earlier, squabbling with hubby as we'd left it too late to book hotel for next weekend and I ended up crying, no idea why! I am just crappy these days, I can cry about anything!

Oh well, dirty weekend away now booked, AF leaving and looking forward to 4 day weekend with my old man (40 next weekend), hopefully we'll get some practice shags in, Friday will be CD9 cycle 12 (grrrrr it should have been day 12 damn late AF) so the hope all starts again!

Bunnygirlie Sun 28-Apr-13 21:54:46

<looks around> hellooooooo is there anybody there?!?

MrsB00Mbastic Sun 28-Apr-13 22:12:08

<limps in and flops on the sofa, holding knee and wailing>

I fell over at work and hurt myself! And spilt gravy on customers! And then ran off crying like a chump! sad At least there weren't any preggoes in today..

Boodle and anyone else with AF arriving, boo. Sorry she got you.

Tally so sorry about the rabbit. Am already feeling fragile after the Great Gravy Disaster so burst into tears reading that! Hope you're feeling better hiding in your amazing sewing room. When I was little I had a fabric mushroom house that had little finger-puppet mice living in it. This is how I imagine your sewing room to be...

Bunny glad you got your dirty weekend booked despite the tears - maybe it'll be nice that you're not in SW, at least you can just have lots of bonking without the babymaking pressure grin

Hope I didn't miss anyone - can't scroll up! <stumps off to inspect knee for bruising/general brokeness>

Bunnygirlie Sun 28-Apr-13 22:16:19

boom sorry to hear about the great gravy disaster of 2013! Ouch <offers brew as it makes everything better>

I'm here!! Hello Bunny!
Had a mad weekend, ridiculously busy non-stop since Friday afternoon and just emailed my planning off for tomorrow and am going to sleep!!

Can I just have a quick angry angry angry angry at the girl sat on the packed train home this evening, who sat with her bag on the seat next to her when people were stood in the doorways and all the way up the aisles as the train was packed?! I asked if anyone was sat on that seat and she smirked and said no, but did nothing. I asked if I could please sit on it then, and offered to put her bag on the overhead shelf and picked it up before waiting for an answer (it was a small wheelie suitcase, hand luggage sized, which I had picked up easily with one hand). She said no because she wouldn't be able to get it down again?!?! I looked at her, now absolutely determined I was going to sit in that bloody seat instead of standing for an hour while her bag sat on it, and she made a huge fuss of asking loads of people to move out of the way so she could it on the floor near the door where people were having to stand as she 'didn't want it to be in the way'. I said a very short 'thank you' and sat down in the seat, immediately turning on my kindle so I could read my book instead of fume silently.
How rude?!?! angry

Tally sorry about the rabbit sad

wimwam were you able to watch on the monitor as they did it? Did they tell you what they found at the time or was that at a later appointment?

Boodle CD14 here and it's not even shag week yet! I find the waiting this side more tedious. Now I know my cycles better I don't have much hope at all in the 2ww 7-day-wait so I'm quite glad they come and go quickly (whilst retaining a tiny bit of hope that the Vit B6 may have worked a miracle this cycle). Got a letter today reminding me to call on the first day of my period to book my HSG, but AF won't be here for over two weeks yet. Why did AF have to come 3 days early the one time I wanted it to be late so I could start a new cycle after the fc appointment?!

MrsB00Mbastic Sun 28-Apr-13 22:19:52

You want to be careful with that tea bunny, going on today's form I'll probably knock it over on you! <takes tea and very carefully puts it on flat surface away from the dog, passes biscuit which are unlikely to cause damage even if spilt>

Ouch boom can I get you a plaster? There there......

MrsB00Mbastic Sun 28-Apr-13 22:24:53

Thanks barking. Want me to 'accidentally on purpose ' spill gravy on Rude Train Woman? She would have wound me up good and proper!

That would make me happy, thanks boom grin .

MrsB00Mbastic Sun 28-Apr-13 22:36:57

Here to help grin

Wimwom Sun 28-Apr-13 22:38:09

barking yes - you can watch it all on the monitor, quite fascinating - in a weird way! And so he told me all my results there and then and pointed everything out to me.
Posting and running as am hoping for a quick Dtd mid match of the day before late kick off... Now guess which of us is prioritising watching teams they have no interest in over getting the job done?!

Bunnygirlie Sun 28-Apr-13 22:45:08

Grrrrr barking train woman sounds like she needs a slap!

Definitely agree about annoying train woman....grrrrrrr. Why are people so selfish?

yorkie thanks for asking, it's this week! So get results at the end of the week- fx!

Got to dash, back in a bit for more....

Tallyra Mon 29-Apr-13 10:55:02

There was an aibu thread like that the other week. it went on for ages, then someone decided to start a troll thread from the woman with s very tired handbag. hilarious. but only in retrospect - she sounds like she needs a kick up the arse.grin

MrsB00Mbastic Mon 29-Apr-13 10:58:20

So here's a Monday morning question for you berries!

It's our 1st anniversary on Friday. I've got the day off but need to be writing essays (apart from acupuncture at 12 haha), and he's working in the morning/evening. I'm working all day/night Saturday. We're pretty much broke...any ideas for something nice I can do to show him how much I love being married to him without a) taking me away from my essays for too long and b) spending too much?? ARGH I'm crap at surprises...

Also didn't think I'd be spending my first wedding anniversary getting stuck with needles to try and get me up the spout. We were meant to have a baby by now sad. Kind of wish we hadn't made the decision to try while we were on honeymoon...makes me remember it with mixed happy/sad emotions now.

Ahh boom happy anniversary! Don't look back and feel sad, look forward and think about the good things to come.

Sounds like a special lunch treat is in order. What about a picnic? (if it's warm enough!). Or you could have a glass of bubbly with strawberries in a big bubble bath or just naked?!

yorkiebilb Mon 29-Apr-13 11:39:55

I thought picnic too boom
Don't know how much you and your DH are into your music but how about a cd that you've put together of music you/he likes, songs from the wedding party, your first dance etc?

MrsB00Mbastic Mon 29-Apr-13 11:41:34

Hm, Friday looks set for rain. Maybe we could have a carpet picnic! Sadly our bath isn't big enough for me and him (shoddy new build bathroom!!) so maybe it'll just be a naked carpet picnic with bubbly and champagne??!

Sounds lovely- put a nice rug down though (avoid carpet burns wink)

Yeah nice music, some food that you can pick at and a glass of bubbly sounds fab.

SidneyBristow Mon 29-Apr-13 11:55:20

Boom if the weather's nice, maybe a long walk where you could talk about all your favorite parts of the last year, followed by a nice homecooked meal? we did something along those lines on our 1st anniv, as we were both poorly.

Grr on behalf of berries with knocked up SILs and thoughtless friends/family. By and large I think people speak without thinking way too often!!

1 w of my 2ww down, 1 to go. DTD on CD8, 10, 11 12 and 15, our worst ever, but hard to not have a tiny bit of hope, so we'll see.

In other news, spoke to GP today who remarked that my referral request to a neurologist was 'routine' and could take 'a while' to come through. I reminded her she'd told me that she'd said she'd request an urgent appointment since we're TTC and the neuro would have to see me before a FC would agree to. She then said she'd put that in the request letter. She must not realize that I have a copy of that letter, and our TTC isn't mentioned anywhere in it. Is that sort of info included in something I wouldn't necessarily see, or did she just lie to me (or meant to include it, but forgot?)? Should I follow up on this, or just presume she did what she said but that it isn't reflected in the copy sent to me of the referral?

MrsB00Mbastic Mon 29-Apr-13 11:57:10

Sorted! I shall invest in some M&S posh nibbles so I don't have to waste time cooking, and may even break out the raunchy knickers to serve them up in!

MrsB00Mbastic Mon 29-Apr-13 12:24:43

<whispers> Fingers crossed for an anniversary baby...?

MrsB00Mbastic Mon 29-Apr-13 12:29:45

Sid in my experience the letter is all that the consultant receives, they won't look at your details/notes until the appointment. So I would bring it up again with your GP, if she has noted that elsewhere then she can tell you so. Better safe than sorry I guess!

Tallyra Mon 29-Apr-13 12:46:03

Happy anniversary BOOM!!

sid I would phone the consultant's secretary and let them know that you need an urgent appt, but I would also phone the go to ask if they could clarify to then too as you have s copy of the letter and can't see it mentioned...

I'm waiting for my gynae letter to come through so I can phone and ask to be out in the cancellation lust but it's not coming through so I might just call anyway soon.

Tallyra Mon 29-Apr-13 12:46:32

list, not lust!!!shock

MrsB00Mbastic Mon 29-Apr-13 17:05:17

Right berries, I shall probably be out of action for the next few days - 3 night shifts in a row, going to deliver me some babies and not cry about it

Will bob in if I get the chance to catch up on the sofa gossip! x

Bunnygirlie Mon 29-Apr-13 18:03:59

Aaaaaagh! DHs doctor called, he has to do his jizz test for the third time!!!!!!

happylass Australia Mon 29-Apr-13 18:12:54

Happy Anniversary Boom and fx for the anniversary baby.
Bunny sorry to hear the jizz test is taking so long. Did they say why it needs repeating?
Sid I think we may be cycle buddies this month as I'm just entering week 2 of the 2ww too. You did a hell of a lot better than us on shag week though!! Cd17 here and we've only DTD a pitiful 3 times. Boo to illnesses and busy lives sad

BlindKitty Mon 29-Apr-13 18:15:19

bunny ah I bet you’ll do a great job as godmother!

Boom Hope you’re ok after the ‘incident’ today, hope you spilt gravy over the horrible customers and not the nice ones. Actually, I think we should regularly get you to throw gravy over the instadiffers / fb show-offs / insensitive work twats …..

Re the anniversary present, the 1st year is meant to be paper. We just gave each other our trip to rome tickets. If you need something that won’t cost anything, what about some Boombastic love coupons haha??? You could offer ‘non baby making’ sex!!!!

Re the picnic suggestion, I’m just imagining you with salmon sandwiches down your knickers haha

barking what a nob on the train!! If she wanted 2 seats then she should have paid for 2! I had a situation like that a while back so I snitched on her to the conductor (I’m so hard haha) but then I regretted sitting next to her as she reeked!

My mate texted earlier. Shes also been ttc for 2 years and she had a transvaginal scan today that found a polyp. Anyone know anything about them? Shes gutted as was meant to start iui in june but then I guess if they can remove it maybe she won’t need it.

Re my cycle, still no AF (not getting my hopes up though) and go on hol Thursday!!! There goes my sex filled holiday!!!!

Frogcatcher Mon 29-Apr-13 18:24:03

Boo to all doctors & tests going wrong. I'm really not looking fwd to going to see my GP but its going to become necessary next cycle when we've hit the 6m mark.

Hey sid & happy I'm also 7dpo so cycle buddy too. I don't think we did as well as Sid but 3 times in shag week so fx quietly. Helps that first time I've been able to pinpoint shag week with any certainty anyway. I'm going to avoid who am I kidding symptom spotting or early testing but think the only way to do it may be to take myself off on the yoga retreat this weekend when DP is working anyway. And not take my pot or sticks with me!!!

BlindKitty Mon 29-Apr-13 18:38:09

frog if having a opk break helps then you should do it but just to warn you, I've been super anxious this month as I decided to 'be breezy' about the opks this month!

Frogcatcher Mon 29-Apr-13 18:42:54

Not an OPK break blind but not take any ICs with me to tempt early POAS! I've only just got the hang of OPKs so won't be giving them up just yet!

BlindKitty Mon 29-Apr-13 18:48:30

duh just re-read your post! defo don't take any hpts!!! love the idea of a yoga retreat, have you been doping it long? I've been doing it a while but still can't master a few moves

PuppyMummy Mon 29-Apr-13 21:46:24

happy cd17 here too. cycle snap!!

Bunnygirlie Mon 29-Apr-13 21:49:02

Hey happy my fellow OB (original berry), how's you? 

Not sure what is up with DHs jizz test, has to do it again but abstain for 5-10 days this time FFS. I can't get my third blood test in may due to holiday either, feel like the whole world is against us! 

Awwww thanks kitty, had some godparent info by e- mail today, never been a religious one before, although I am kind of one as my friend had a naming day for her little girl, if that makes sense?!?

<slumps under the sofa with cake>

Sorry kitty but I'm laughing at the idea of frog doping at a yoga retreat! Never realised it was like the Lance Armstrong era of cycling! wink

CharmingCats Mon 29-Apr-13 22:43:37

Hello!
Quick question for sid, as I know she uses the cbfm too. I've had 18 days of high and today it's low...does that mean I've ov? I didn't get a peak reading, but it's my first cycle of using it. I can't confirm ov with anything else as I don't temp and I didn't master the ic OPKs. Also very little cm this cycle, compared to last month.

Night night, berries. Thinking of you all and sending good thoughts. Have a look at the thread that's a light hearted experiment. There have been 5 BFPs and all you have to do is touch a pictured of fertility statues....

happylass Australia Mon 29-Apr-13 22:44:17

I'm good Bunny or should that be fellow OB (how depressing that the other original OBs can't be that far off giving birth!). Hope time passes quickly and you get some sort of answer from your DHs next test.
OK Sid, Frog and Puppy let's take it upon ourselves to lead the BFP revolution. Roll on next week!!

Cate555 Mon 29-Apr-13 22:45:21

CD18 pos OPK, yeah!
DH away on business, boo!
Hope tomorrow isn't too late confused

SidneyBristow Mon 29-Apr-13 23:03:13

Hi cats, about the cbfm, if memory serves, my first month's readings were similar to yours, but from the 2nd month on, I'd get a few days of High readings followed by optimum (or whatever the highest reading is called) for 2 days, the another High, then Low for the rest of the cycle.

My understanding is that it does read the hormone levels in your wee, but also uses past cycles to factor in to the current month's readings. I could be totally wrong as I'm not quite sure why I think this. Starting othe 3rd or 4th cycle of using it, I began using ICs in the evening, just to back up the cbfm, but am still not fully confident that I'm reading them properly. Might be bc just the aroun 10pm & someone recently mentioned they're best between10 and 4, 2pm being ideal.

Really happy to have some cycle buddies grin & very glad you guys don't share my suspicion that we totally messed up our timing this cycle. I've had a pretty low-key 1st week of the 2ww, mainly bc I figured we messed it all up, but now I'm wondering if we're still in the running! Willie glad to lead the charge towards a bunch of bfp's, sign me up! Would be the most ironic timing ever for me, due to shag week botch-up but also bc I've joined a gym and am now working out happily every day, with visions of being tight and fit again by summer's end. Anything to take my mind off TtC!

Wow, and some of the ladies that got the bfps were real long term ttc ers!! Thanks for the prompt cats I've been and had a rub! I'd seen it before and dismissed it but why not?!? I will try anything, especially if it's free and easy!! I've downloaded the photo so I can rub it through shag week wink .

<decides against sending friendly messages to go and find this damned picture to rub>

PuppyMummy Tue 30-Apr-13 06:52:01

you do realise that rubbing a picture or even the actual statue is ridiculous and makes us officially insane?!!

but yes I have just given it a good old rub! ha ha ha ha!

happylass Australia Tue 30-Apr-13 07:26:58

Haha I rubbed the 'fertility' picture last month but obviously no luck. Surely it can't hurt to give it another go though because I'm so desperate I will literally try anything

SidneyBristow Tue 30-Apr-13 08:23:16
Bunnygirlie Tue 30-Apr-13 08:26:49

Been there, rubbed that, nothing sad

Rub harder girls!!

ok so anyone had the tail end of a bout of thrush just before shag week commences?

MrsB00Mbastic Tue 30-Apr-13 08:59:51

Uffffff. Just sticking my head round the door on the way to go and collapse in my bed. Delivered two gooooorgeous babies last night and looked after a long-term ttc-er who had 6 failed IUIs and a MC and then got diffed naturally. The babies were fine, the pregnant TTC-er just broke me for some reason - maybe because she's made it through to the other side and I'm still weebling away on the childless side of the fence!

Random phone call yesterday from the registrar at the gynae clinic. Apparently she's reviewed my blood tests (6 weeks after I had them done!) and is concerned that there IS something wrong with my hormonal balance (after me having a breakdown at the GP because I'd been told there wasn't). So now not only do I have a pelvic scan, but I also have a HCS booked and DH has to go and get his swimmers tested. I appear to have nagged my way into fertility clinic two months early! So I feel vindicated yah boo sucks to you, bloody GP, but also slightly put out that having just come to terms with the idea that there's nothing wrong with me except bad luck, there actually might be something wrong after all. However, anything that's a step in the direction of getting me diffed is a positive in my book!

Kitty bwahaha, I can just see DH appreciating me in frilly knickers overflowing with egg butties!

Off to find a picture of a fertility statue and rub it in a totally non-mental and normal fashion. Then BED (such a shame when the sun is shining like it is today!)

boom just trying to catch you before bed- did they say which hormones are out of balance and how?

MrsB00Mbastic Tue 30-Apr-13 09:29:46

Apparently my testosterone is high and my progesterone is low. She sounded very confused about the whole thing I must say. Just phoned up to ask about the hycosy appt, they asked when my next period was due and got annoyed when I said 'some time in the next three months, probably when it's least convenient' haha

Tallyra Tue 30-Apr-13 09:37:45

Ok, I've had a rub. hoping it fixes random unknown problems as well as gets us duffed...

sad sad sad sad Colleague's first granddaughter was born yesterday. cue photos being emailed and everyone else in the office cooing and reminiscing and making me feel incredibly sad and left out. I packed up and left the office early because said lady walked in and they proceeded to coo at her too. I don't think they even noticed, which is pissing me off that they don't think anything is wrong. they obviously haven't noticed me going quiet over the last few weeks when she talks about it. angry

And I was all happy this morning because I finally got some ewcm this month having not seen any last month after I actually was looking for it.

SidneyBristow Tue 30-Apr-13 11:12:40

great news boom even though it seems totally wrong to congratulate you for a possible hormonal imbalance wink I say anything that gets you closer to getting pg is a definite step in the right direction. your gp is a joke! v jealous of your hsg appointment; I want one so much and i'm not even quite sure why!

tally take care of yourself, if that means leaving the room when baby talk erupts then do it & don't look back. thanks

thunder i haven't had thrush in a v long time so can't help; what's going on?

merkin how are you?

Tallyra Tue 30-Apr-13 11:34:27

yes thunder, I have. essay cream has always done the trick just in time though.. However, I found the thrush made me that much more sensitive it actually want too bad an experience after I told dh to take it easy.grin

Hmm boom I don't know much about those hormones but I do think it's ace that you get bumped up the queue and get seen quicker. Good stuff.

Yeah sid and tally, just got a bout of thrush at the weekend and hoping it'll be gone in the next couple of days in time for shagathon. Was just wondering whether it would get in the way of ttc if it's still here and was preparing to have another meltdown on the bad timing of life. But I'll keep my cool with that advice tally! wink

tally really sorry for yet more insensitive people at work. I hate that feeling of being upset and that being ignored, it's like you're shrinking and noone cares. Hug for you- it'll be your turn one day soon x

Tallyra Tue 30-Apr-13 14:43:47

Well that's gone and done it! I mentioned to a colleague when we were alone that I was finding it hard and wondering if she could mention it to the others and she's only gone and sent a group email round to the ladies in admin to basically telling them to ssh about babies. I have a sinking feeling she might even have included the new gran and now I feel sufficientlyblush and basically mortified that she might think I wanted her to shut up about her granddaughter.
I want to go home now please.

SidneyBristow Tue 30-Apr-13 18:01:52

OMG Tally. Not sure what to say bc my mind has totally gone blank from second hand embarrassment!! I'm sure your colleague meant well but she used a sledgehammer when a a gentle tap would've done the job. Nothing good ever comes from a mass email! Can you find out if the new gran was included, and if so maybe go to her directly and explain that you're happy for her but are having a difficult time lately and not able to be as enthusiastic as you wish you could be? I'm sure she'll understand. thanks

Bunnygirlie Tue 30-Apr-13 18:22:42

Ugh tally I feel for you.

thunder ooh bad timing for thrush, I regularlyget minor thrush just before my period but it soon goes when AF arrives, it's a right pain in the you know where!

Ooh boom my tests have shown low progesterone too, but she didn't mention anything else, she wants me to test again.

Bunnygirlie Tue 30-Apr-13 18:25:19

Anybody eske ever just wanna lunch their other half in the face?!?!?! AF has left the building so I wanting to get a but if DTD action to build up for shag week but oh no, DH is too tired, has a bad back, he's all you're putting too much pressure on me again?!? What the feck am I meant to do??? He drives me crazy!!!!!!!!!

I don't know whether to scream or cry angry

CharmingCats Tue 30-Apr-13 18:26:21

tally, that's crap! What a mad thing to do! Like sid says, can you catch grandmother alone and explain? Mass emails are the devil.

sid, thanks for your reply about the cbfm. It's flashing m now, suggesting my period is due. Is it assuming a 28 day cycle? I'm cd 27, but 26 on the monitor as af arrived in the evening, so had to set the monitor the following morning. I've never had a 28 day cycle in my life, so would be shocked if that's what happens. Also, that would mean I ov two weeks ago...hmmm ...confused.

Bunnygirlie Tue 30-Apr-13 18:26:58

Omg and now predictive text is fecking with me - anybody else wanna punch their others half in the face?!?!?! And this iPad too?!?!?

CharmingCats Tue 30-Apr-13 18:30:10

bunny scream and cry! We're listening. It's so crap, isn't it? We spend our time monitoring and thinking and researching and all the men need to do is dtd, something they enjoy, and at the crucial moment, nothing!! Feel your annoyance.

Tallyra Tue 30-Apr-13 19:35:56

Grr bunny. Frustrating!!
strange man refusing sex. I have the opposite problem as I'm usually the tired one but I have experienced it occasionally.

Thanks for the thanks Sid and everyone. I did talk to the grandma and she completely understood and apologised for not thinking about me. turns out she had3 mcs before her 1st, and her daughter has too. I had a couple of annoyingly sympathetic conversations but at least they will be thinking a bit more about it.

CharmingCats Tue 30-Apr-13 19:38:43

Tally, can understand why you're annoyed - you didn't want to have to have those conversations and the group email forced you into that situation, when all you wanted was for that person to have a quiet word... people are weird.

BlindKitty Tue 30-Apr-13 19:40:49

frog haha performance enhanced yoga!

cats you don’t always get a peak on your first cycle as its still getting to know you

happy that is reassuring to know that the long termers finally got their bfps

boom maybe it’s a blessing that they’ve actually found something. Maybe now they can treat it?

Right guys, I need to go and pack for my jollys! Oh and still no sign of af, meaning I’m going to be on rag week all first week of my hol grrr!!!!

ARSE! tally and bunny I totally feel your pain with these shitty situations.

tally bull in a china shop or wot? Total respect to you though- you dealt with such a difficult thing three times over all without 'lunching anyone in the face' - sorry bunny but I like this as an aggressive gesture.

And bunny yep I know about this situation, and it SUCKS. FFS is all I can say.

blind have you considered poas if you're late?! (sorry if I've missed something and am being slow)

BoodIeBee Tue 30-Apr-13 20:36:57

Hi Berries. I've been absent the last couple of days, so just going to have a read and catch up. In the meantime, has anyone read the 'House Rules I Forgot to Make' in discussion of the day?! It's brilliant! I've been chortling away here and it's taking my mind of another AF from hell.

BoodIeBee Tue 30-Apr-13 22:05:15

Oh no...I deaded the thread!

Tally and Bunny - sorry to hear of your not so good days.

Bunnygirlie Tue 30-Apr-13 22:19:33

Ello, Soz had friend round so couldn't get back in earlier.

Thanks cats tally thunder boodle men really are a pain aren't they, I just hope mojo returns for shag practice weekend and the shag week!

Lol thunder lunching someone in the face sounds like you are going to deck somebody with a sandwich or maybe slap them with a salad grin

happylass Australia Tue 30-Apr-13 22:22:43

Haha Boodle the House Rules thread is indeed hilarious! Loved the "no standing up poos" and " no pulling the leaves off the plants to make salad for your teddies" smile

Tallyra Tue 30-Apr-13 23:43:04

does anyone else's dh fall asleep on the sofa and then her all grumpy when you wake him to go to bed? does anyone else just leave him there to get a sore neck and get cold?grin

Mawnin all

tally mine doesn't tend to do that (he just stays up way later than me making shag week even more exhausting as I have to a) not be annoyed and b) I get even less sleep) but if he did and he got grumpy, yes I would leave him there.

Or I'd lunch him in the face.

<reads house rules thread>
don't put your willy in your yoghurt
<snigger>

Bunnygirlie Wed 01-May-13 08:33:29

This one made me chuckle-

Don't put the cat in the Laundry Basket. Especially when the next person to open the basket is your poor, easily surprised Daddy, who really did not appreciate a cat hanging off his face.

Tallyra Wed 01-May-13 08:43:35

haha thunder. that's probably the only time that throwing food at him would get the 'lunching' effect too!wink

MrsB00Mbastic Wed 01-May-13 10:07:38

Swinging by before bedtime!

bunny Yes, I feel your pain. Bloody OH's think the world revolves around them and their fragile little libidos. angry on your behalf! My being on nights this week has totally ballsed up any DTD we might have managed. I tried to suggest (via text, but in what I believed to be a relatively inviting fashion) that when DH gets home from work this afternoon we have a quickie before I have to go back to work. Would have thought I'd asked if he'd mind cleaning the oven for all the enthusiasm I got in response sad

Tally sounds like you handled a rubbish situation with a lot of grace!

Cool thing for the day: last night (well, this morning) I delivered a baby that started crying before it was actually born. Amazing, if slightly weird! (yes, ok, my definition of 'cool' may be slightly wide of the mark).

Bed is calling. Night all!

SidneyBristow Wed 01-May-13 11:47:05

Stupidly caved and POA ic OPK stick this morning, 5 days before AF due. Nothing. Now sitting here teary and low, and seriously considering putting DH in charge of any remaining cycles. I hate feeling like this, like my body is failing us both, all while wondering if there actually might be something wrong that just hasn't been tested for yet.

I do love my SKs but the prospect of only ever being a SM chills me to the bone.

Please someone tell me that an IC OPK stick is probably not a great substitute for a Pg test, at least not this far out. I have an appt Fri to ask about joint injections, and figured that being pg would be something to know for sure before moving forward with cortisone shots. AF due Monday.

I loathe this part of the month. Sorry to be a downer sad

On the positive side my exercise efforts at the gym which is crawling with mummies and babies that I pretend not to see are paying off in the form of increased energy, and at least an hour daily of not having TTC in the back of my mind, which is the best benefit of all, at least til my new bikini body appears wink

Frogcatcher Wed 01-May-13 14:41:44

As sid big hugs. I'm also shortly to be in the 'resisting POAS' phase so totally feel your pain. I have absolutely no symptoms to spot so have kind of given up hope. I was moody & yelled at SS last night but no change there really as he is such a brat. Good job is not shag wk at any event as DP & I are barely speaking. SS just causes such tension between us. Was really looking fwd to my weekend away but I left it to late & now the yoga place is full. On the bright side no SS till next Tues as DP is working at the weekend.

Frogcatcher Wed 01-May-13 14:45:33

Oh & I can't think that an OPK would be a substitute that early. Most HPTs wouldn't detect that early either so don't abandon all hope just yet. At the same time I feel bad saying that as you probably haven't anyway as none of us ever do till the fat lady aka AF sings do we?

CharmingCats Wed 01-May-13 19:09:03

Hey, hey! Loved the house rules thread too. Check out the one in classics that's called 'if my three year old went on aibu'. Some of it is so well written.

sid, I second frog in that I don't think the opk would have picked up anything at this stage. If they need to test you on Friday, let them do it at the surgery then. Maybe handing over the cycles to yur DH would help. Have you asked him about it?

I have no idea where I am in my cycle...again, so nothing to report relating to ttc. Hoping that af appears soon so that I can get on with the next cycle and the cbfm will get to know me a bit better.

Resisted lunching someone in the face at work today. Why do schools accept such odd bods as volunteers? Omg, this girl is odder than odd. And she's in my class (and more to the point, the staffroom), 3 days per week. She only works mornings, but has her lunch with us before she leaves. Anyway, I could rant on, but I won't.

boom. How did that baby start crying before delivery??

Bunnygirlie Wed 01-May-13 19:28:36

Hugs sid

DH better today, jumped on me after work, who knows if this is a sign of things to come, it's only CD 7 so I sure hope so! We are away fri to sat so hope to get some shags in then but it's next week that really counts and workdays aren't usually good as he's too tired, too stressed etc grrrrrrr

Of course if I'm not OVing then it could all be pointless anyway, I shall see if OPKs pick up anything this month, they have in the past so keep your fingers crossed for me!

BlindKitty Wed 01-May-13 22:10:43

Thunder- of course I poas but just got the usual result! I've laid my pot and test strip out ready for my fmu but not hiding out much hope!!!

sid sending hugs xxx

charming school volunteers really can be odder than odd and I have the pleasure of coordinating them at my school. One of them just won't leave me alone, always asking questions and generally stopping me getting my work done!! I was looking forward to her stint finishing (she's a mature student and volunteering via the uni) but she asked if she could continue! And she came in my classroom yesterday just to show me a certificate she got for winning 'school volunteer of the year' thanks to the reference she persuaded us to write for her! She's a grown woman! I don't need to be patting her on the head and saying well done for getting a certificate!

CharmingCats Wed 01-May-13 22:37:35

barking, lol at the volunteer certificate. I really hope that doesn't happen at ours! This girl is a daughter of a governor, so have the added dimension of feeling spied upon. It's the social awkwardness I can't stand. 3days a week I can't relax during break & lunch cos she's talking away about crap..... A lovely colleague was talking about her son's girlfriend losing their baby and being sectioned & this volunteer just said, 'what will she be like if she has a baby?'. What an idiot! Totally immature and clueless. Said colleague juts gave a hmm look as she's seen this girl before, but she was talking about such an emotional thing and this girl wanted to give her opinion, give examples of something that's happened to her ( I hate it when people do that - just bloody listen to what the person is saying, don't make it about oh!) and ask stupid questions. Gak!

Oh my goodness, that's awful charming (both the story and her heartless reaction to it angry ). At least my volunteer is clueless but essentially harmless! Although another of my reading volunteers is the chair of governors, so I properly get the being spied on!!!

And catching up now...

sid, frog & kitty hope you all get bfps!

boom did your text have the desired result?

bunny hope you get some well times dtds in grin

I think I may have turned a corner. After 16 bfns I've pretty much given up. Not that I have many days post O to wait and wonder before AF or at least clear signs of her arrive, but I have no expectation left whatsoever that there will be anything to celebrate, and it's strangely liberating! Of course, if the hsg and the scan is clear and I start on the clomid in summer then I'm sure all the symptom spotting and ridiculously early pimping will return in force!!! shock

Ok I give up. Where do I find the 'classics'? blush

happylass Australia Wed 01-May-13 23:33:24

Barking go to the talk topic list and classics is in the 'Mumsnet Stuff' section smile

Hello all,

I dIdn't realise there we're volunteers in schools. Are they screened/interviewed? I guess you can't not let someone help because they are an insensitive plonker can you?!

kitty any news??

sid I know what you mean about this bring a crappy part of the month. Opks definitely no substitute though.

Well done mr bunny, keep it up! (in every sense)

boom that is really cool/weird. Not sure which but I bet the mum was reassured to hear baby that early on.

barking I know what you mean about that liberated feeling, which is great. Yeah you may lose it again but enjoy a bit less weight in your shoulders for now at least.

Bunnygirlie Thu 02-May-13 08:41:43

Morning! It's official I am married to an old man! Hope his swimmers still have some life in them lol

Is it his birthday bunny?

Or has someone popped round with a certificate?

<wonders how it has become official today>

Frogcatcher Thu 02-May-13 08:59:43

Morning! Think my DP is older than yours bunny so I wouldn't worry! All this volunteer business sounds a nightmare. At least when we get grads doing internships we only have them for 3 weeks!

Well I pimped on an IC this morning.......<builds suspense>.........
BFN as expected. Don't know what I was thinking doing it 10 DPO anyway. Only did it cos DP asked last night if I was pg as I'd been moody! (And he told me about a mate's wife who was pg with her 2nd which I just let go without comment but cried inside). The announcement that I really won't be able to bear will be if his ex-wife announces she's pg with her new partner & is giving SS his much asked for sibling esp as she is older than me. I don't know if they are even trying but I dread it nonetheless.

Frogcatcher Thu 02-May-13 09:11:13

Oh & am in the office with the unofficially pg colleague today so find myself symptom spotting to see if I can tell. Is that weird?!

No frog it sounds like fun!

Offer her some Brie immediately.

Sorry about bfn but you are v early....

Frogcatcher Thu 02-May-13 10:17:47

Haha. Like your thinking thunder! She's stroppy & emotional at the best of times so don't think anyone will notice any difference from her temperament!

Tallyra Thu 02-May-13 11:28:28

thunder yes! love it - maybe offer her some uncooked cake mixture too (although why you might have some I have no idea...)

Oh yes and haven't you got a bit of pâté in your bag?

New thyroid test results are in. Tsh is down to 4.23 (from 15.3 six weeks ago) which is great, but still not quite down to below 2 which is the ideal.
I have a telephone appointment tomorrow and I expect they might up my dose a bit.

So I think it means no bfp on the horizon for me but (clutching at straws) it's still a positive change.

Frogcatcher Thu 02-May-13 12:26:43

15.3 - 4.3 sounds great progress thunder. At least you have discovered you have a condition that they can treat & when fixed I'm sure will result in you becoming spectacularly upduffed.

<offers colleague sushi and salami with an evil laugh>

Yes you are absolutely right frog, I am lucky in that I know what the problem is and it seems relatively easy to treat. Will lunch myself in the face when I have impatient petulant thoughts in self pity!

And in the meantime I'll have a bit of that salami. Yum!

BlindKitty Thu 02-May-13 17:09:48

Well af came in the night (pain actually woke me up and stopped me from going back to sleep), which is fucking great considering I'm on my way to Thailand!!! Grrrr! So much for my baby making holiday, going to spend most of it on the blob! Oh and I'll prob ov on plane on way home! Know its the days before that r important but if I ov on the plane I'm going to make dh jiac!!!! Can't believe I've just admitted that! Those preseed applicator must b useful for something!!!

Nearly at the airport, you just know there's a glass of pino with my name on it!!!!

Hope you're all ok, will stay in touch if there's enough wifi xxx

SidneyBristow Thu 02-May-13 17:52:06

oh kitty angry on your behalf, AF has lousy timing doesnt she.
have a safe flight - and tell DH his job is to keep your drink fresh at all times!

Tallyra Thu 02-May-13 18:04:23

Grr for you kitty angry angry angry angry angry make those last days before coming home count!!!

Ooooo, sunshine!!!! grin grin grin grin grin
That is all.

ps angry at AF timing kitty.

Frogcatcher Thu 02-May-13 18:52:14

Oh kitty AF is an evil witch. [Angry] I've had some cramps today too but she's not due till Mon at the earliest. angry

BlindKitty Thu 02-May-13 19:45:41

Oh girls I'm so annoyed! Dh has just understandably said he won't be able to jiac (I even suggested we but some mucky mags for the way home as out Internet won't work on the plane!!!). Ffs what has this ttc lark reduced me to?!!

sid dh hates me drinking on planes... shame it's a free bar...<knocks back second pino>...

Don't know how I'll cope without you guys if there's no wifi!!!! Xxxxx

BlindKitty Thu 02-May-13 19:54:06

Ok so just started crying in the airport.. alcohol and anger clearly don't mix. Dh is upset that I'm 'giving up' but I just feel like I'm starting to accept it won't happen without assistance. Xx

GooseyD Thu 02-May-13 20:00:09

Blind so sorry you're having such a crappy start to your holiday!