Excellent (or should that be eggcellent?) egg buddies! Anyone having IVF/ICSI in April/May/June 2013 come and join us!

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EuroShaggleton Sun 31-Mar-13 15:35:07

We've almost filled the second thread so here is a new one, so we can carry on chatting! Threads #1 and #2 saw some stunning successes and some sad outcomes. We'll have more of the former and less of the latter on thread #3 please!

All comers welcome. I found it very useful to be with people going through the same thing when I did my first cycle, so if you would like to join us, please come on in!

Hi euro thanks for taking the new thread plunge!

Good luck to everyone. I wish you loads of luck. I'll be following your progress and praying for success for you all.

Shaz xx

chocoloco1 Sun 31-Mar-13 18:10:36

Just saying hello! Don't really know what to say, but I don't want to disappear! sad. I hope you lucky pregnant ladies don't desert us entirely, I for one don't mind you still being on here.

noks how are you doing today? It felt like the worst thing ever when we got a bfn in December, I had no idea how hard it would hit us until it happened. Take care of yourself

euro I expect you're still feeling shattered after everything you've been through and hope you've managed to have a few days of rest

<waves to everyone else>

Afm, I'm hoping the worst of the physical side of things is over now, last night wasn't good. Pretty sure we will try again in the Summer holidays and I am going to work on getting fit in the next few months. Am hopefully going to book a follow-up appointment with the consultant soon and see what feedback he can give us. I'm also wondering whether I could get any tests done, although I know that normally you have to have 3 losses before anything can be done.

Sorry for cheerless post ...

Nokkie73 Sun 31-Mar-13 20:33:18

Hi all

Thanks for starting a new thread euro. How are you doing ? Did you manage to get your work done so that you can have a bit of a rest ? I hope you enjoyed your lunch and partook in some fine wine action ?!

choco I am ok, thanks for asking. Well, just trying to process it all to be honest. I have been researching holistic alternatives so much that I think my head will explode. I just need a plan of action.....I want to reclaim my body after pumping all those drugs into it. I feel as though it's not mine right now. Does that make any sense ?

What protocol were you on ? I was on the long protocol and am not sure what else they would suggest for the next course of treatment (if we go down that route). I will also arrange a follow-up appointment - it would be good to compare notes (with you too, euro).

I am sorry that last night was tough for you. I hope you've managed to have some time out from all this over the weekend though.

If there are any lurkers out there, come and join us. We won't bite ! I also don't mind the others joining us if they want to stick around for a bit.

Noks xx

chocoloco1 Sun 31-Mar-13 21:03:40

Noks I know exactly what you mean about your body not feeling like yours after all the drugs. I've pretty much been doing all this with only about 6 weeks of no drugs since mid August. I started on long protocol, meant to be day 21 start, but af showed early so day 1 start. I then failed to down reg twice, then finally did short protocol after taking norethisterone several times. Did short protocol this time too.

I hope your weekend has not been too awful, take it easy. I tried to go back to work far too early after the bfn and didn't cope well at all.

Btw, what the feck's happened to your swearing, are you the same noks? wink

EyesWallowsPunk Sun 31-Mar-13 21:10:53

Ooooh, thank you, Euro, for pointing me in the direction of this thread. Hello everyone, I am 39 and have been ttc for a year. In that time I've had a miscarriage and we are soon to embark on IVF. We have one shot because we are poor bastards and so I am hoping to learn lots from you all before I go for my consultation. It makes sense when people talk about IVF requiring more than one cycle but I don't think my heart could take it, I really don't (and our finances certainly can't). However, I am going to read all of your last thread and try to learn as much as I can about how you all do it. Thank you for listening smile

EuroShaggleton Sun 31-Mar-13 21:13:37

Noks I felt exactly the same after my cancelled cycle last year. I felt so good when I felt like myself again. It took a few weeks though.

I did manage to get today off - thanks for thinking of me. We went for a pub lunch with friends and now we have an old friend over to our place (and I am being very rude by MNing so I'll make this brief). And I'm having my first wine since I gave it when I got duffed (and used Lent as a cover, so I kept going until Easter). It has gone straight to my head!

choco you sound like you are dealing with everything really well. We WILL all get there.

EuroShaggleton Sun 31-Mar-13 21:16:43

Welcome Eyes!

eyes ivf worked for me first time so don't give up hope. I'm also 39 and have been pregnant before. A miscarriage at least shows your body can conceive. Good luck!

Nokkie73 Sun 31-Mar-13 23:06:38

choco just for you.....here goes.....fuckitty fuck fuck shit bum willy wank. shock grin. Plenty more where that came from !

I am glad that I made some sense about my body not feeling like it's mine. I cannot wait till I feel better. I guess it will take time but I'm going to get it back. And euro is right. We WILL all get there.

eyes hello ! Pull up a chair, pop your sweary head on and ask away. Sorry to hear you had a miscarriage - we're all in the same boat so can completely understand where you're at.

By the way, did anyone see the Life's Too Short special ? If you didn't, I suggest catching it on the BBC I Player if only for the absolutely hilarious Keith Chegwin turn. I shall say no more.....apart from the fact that in my eyes, Cheggers Plays Pop will never be the same again.

Noks x

keepitgoing Mon 01-Apr-13 03:20:59

Thanks euro for starting a new thread, hoping for more recruits!

Oh choco I'm sorry to see you so sad. Gosh you've been on drugs for so long, I think it's definitely a plan to reclaim your body.

noks you too are a planner. I like. You'll be there soon, you had a good cycle I think.

euro thanks for the bra offer. I finally did find 2 bras. They are hideous but comfy. It's awful being surrounded by gorgeous but tiny bras.., I will order some more on line, as dh has to pop back to the uk in a few weeks so can pick them up. These are interim-bras! Glad you had some time off this weekend. Who'd be a lawyer, eh?

Hi eyes. I am a recent, and very nervous/disbelieving preggo. Ask away. I was also lucky enough to get pregnant first ivf time, an ivf-instadiffer, if you will, but at just over 5 weeks there's a long way to go yet.

ScarlettInSpace Mon 01-Apr-13 14:31:38

<shuffles in quietly to mark place> even though I'm not really doing IVF/ICSI any more can I still lurk around the shadows?

Nokkie73 Mon 01-Apr-13 15:20:32

Scarlett hello ! I don't know when I'll be doing it again yet so let's lurk in the shadows and post random sweary words together. How are you ? X

MewlingQuim Mon 01-Apr-13 15:28:13

Hi all, I'm still lurking more than posting. I'm to start ICSI this month and I'm terrified and excited at the same time. So many 'what if's ....

EuroShaggleton Mon 01-Apr-13 15:29:05

Scarlett I'm hanging around whilst I am between cycles, so come on in!

eyes as I think you have seen whilst lurking, IVF also worked first time for me (although I miscarried). I'm 37, so no spring chicken either.

EyesWallowsPunk Mon 01-Apr-13 16:49:03

Thank you so much, everybody, for welcoming me and for your brief shares. I am so sorry some of you have suffered miscarriage or IVF not working (I'm still working through the last thread). Congratulations to those of you who are pregnant! So encouraging.

1) Is it true that success rates are higher if two embryos are put back?

2) How will the clinic decide which protocol suits me best (I ovulate regularly with 29-day cycles; DP's sperm is fine; i responded well to 50mg Clomid - two eggs each time)?

3) What is a 'good' AMH score (I am awaiting my results)?

4) Is it true that a crop of eggs which include some immature ones are likely to be more successful?

I have been reading Agate's Guide to Learning From Your Failed IVF

Thank you for any advice or stories shared.

EyesWallowsPunk Mon 01-Apr-13 16:53:40

Oh, and I read that I need to prepare for IVF by taking spirulina and wheatgrass. Don't fancy that much. However, I am taking Royal Jelly, folic acid, a multi-vit and omega 3 fish oil. Personally I think it's bullshit but I'd love to know what others have tried/found success with.

Nokkie73 Mon 01-Apr-13 17:17:47

eyes am just doing some research myself on supplements but read a post that shazza put on the second thread (towards the end, about 2/3 way through probably) as she did loads of research and got a natural bfp whilst down regging. I'll let you know the results of my research.....admittedly I am doing it with a large glass of red in my grimy hands but I figure I deserve one after this weekend. Nx wine

EuroShaggleton Mon 01-Apr-13 17:42:35

Quick answers

1) Is it true that success rates are higher if two embryos are put back?
Yes, but they don't double and you need to consider the possibility of multiples and the diffficulties that sometimes come with that (I'm particularly sensitive to this as bf had a very difficult twin pregnancy).

2) How will the clinic decide which protocol suits me best (I ovulate regularly with 29-day cycles; DP's sperm is fine; i responded well to 50mg Clomid - two eggs each time)?
I can't answer that one as it depends on the clinic and things like your AFC and FSH - basically how they think you will respond to the drugs. Some clinics seem to use their preferred protocol on everyone too, as far as I can tell.

3) What is a 'good' AMH score (I am awaiting my results)?

It should be on your printout. I think anything above 20 or 25ish is considered "normal" fertility, but I have never seen anyone fall into that category. Maybe some 25 yr olds! Mine was 12 and no one has given it a second glance and many people have IVF success with numbers right down near zero. I'm not convinced about the value of the test myself.

4) Is it true that a crop of eggs which include some immature ones are likely to be more successful?

I've never heard this. Some clinics offer something called IVM, to mature immature eggs in the lab, but we chose not to go for it.

EyesWallowsPunk Mon 01-Apr-13 17:59:36

Oh, thank you so much, Euro, very kind. Am I likely to need 'assisted hatching' because of my age? Does this cost extra? Why is a blasto better than an embryo? (Gosh, I sound thick. Sorry).

Thank you, too, Nokkie. I shall await your findings with bated breath!

Hi ladies

Can I still lurk and post please? My 1st day without you is very quietwink. I'm missing you already.

<waves> Good to see some new people and some familiar faces.

Noks glad to hear you got the wine out. Have a little one for me. I hope you are ok honey. Good luck with the research. I hope you feel better in your body soon. I watched life is short yesterday on iplayer. It's hilarious if abit cringey at times!

As Noks said I took loads of supps and still am taking a fair few. Who knows if they worked or not. I feel like I rattle sometimes and I have to pace them throughout the day cause otherwise I feel abit sick. I was advised royal jelly too (queen bees live on it and produce eggs all day long) but it made me sick so I gave up. Omega 3 is good for fertility apparently as is vitamin d but I was advised by a nutritionist after having blood tests for both show that my levels were way off.

I hope you have all had a good day. I didn't get my roast dinner in the end but I'm considering making mash and onion gravy for my tea grin

Love shazza xx

EuroShaggleton Mon 01-Apr-13 20:23:54

eyes I don't think assisted hatching is age related. It's used where the developing embryo can't make it our of its "shell" unaided. I don't know much about it though - maybe google or FF can tell you more? I think it's something people often try when several rounds of IVF haven't worked.

A blastocyst is an embryo at around 5 days of development. They are "better" because by day 5 lots of the non-viable embies will have been weeded out by having to try to survive in a petri dish. So the success rates are higher (about 50%) if you can get to blasto stage. Day 2 and 3 transfers are usually used where there are not many eggs (in my case as I am doing natural IVF there will only ever be one). The thinking seems to be that getting them to day 5 in the lab will weed out the ones that would not have made it anyway but possibly others as the lab conditions are tougher than their natural environment, so if there are not many, they get 'em back where they belong asap. I think most (all?) clinics will only freeze an embryo that has reached blasto stage.

EuroShaggleton Mon 01-Apr-13 20:24:28

shazz you will always be welcome here

Karbea Mon 01-Apr-13 20:34:38

Hello all,

Nice shiny new home ;)

I'm back at the argc for my mid (late) mid cycle scan. DH and I have started on a paleo diet to help with egg quality (that and 100 vitamins)!

EyesWallowsPunk Mon 01-Apr-13 20:39:01

[waves to Shazz]

Thanks, Euro. Do you mean that embryos that don't survive to day 5 in the petri dish wouldn't have survived in the womb either? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you blush May I ask why you did IVF without the drugs? Was it scary knowing you had only one embryo to pin all your hopes on? I am dreading having shit eggs sad

I promise not to keep questioning you on here, Euro.

EuroShaggleton Mon 01-Apr-13 20:51:52

I'm reaching the limits of my understanding here (!) but yes, I think a large number of embryos will naturally be duffers that would never have survived more than a few days if made the natural way, so they won't last in the womb either. There is also a view that the lab is a much harsher environment than the womb, which is why if there are not many embies, they get them back asap. So putting those two things together, I conclude (and this is just me adding 2+2 so I might be making 5) that the ones that don't make it to day 5 includes the ones that wouldn't have made it inside you and possibly some that might have made it inside you but couldn't hack it in the lab, so the ones left are really "strong". Does that make sense?

I did natural IVF because I started a conventional cycle last year and the downregging drugs sent me a bit loopy. I'm one of the minority of people who gets depressed and suicidal on the Pill, so I wasn't expecting a large amount of fake hormones to be easy, but it was awful. So I took a break for 6 months and found a clinic that did natural and mild IVF. I had no expectation that the first cycle would work at all and was completely stunned when it did.

keepitgoing Tue 02-Apr-13 03:26:13

eyes I agree with euro. My clinic says of day3 embryos only about 30% will be chromasomally normal. By day 5 this is 70%. So if you wait you can hope to choose the best ones. But if you don't have many there's no point waiting.

Assisted hatching - for repeated implantation failure, and yes, a great deal more expensive. I think you said you've had a m/c? In which case implantation is probably not the issue.

Protocol. I am overseas and can have a lot of choice over treatment. I did short protocol because - fewer drugs, shorter time, cheaper, no apparent reason for the usual long protocol. Most clinics seem to push LP in younger patients/good amh but it's unclear why. I suspect a lot is to do with it making it easier on timing. I hear stories that in some uk clinics they only do EC on a Thursday, or not at weekends. I wouldn't go somewhere like this if you can choose - when your eggs are ready they are ready. My clinic said you get on average one extra egg on SP, but slightly lower preg rate? I don't know. We had 11 eggs, 7 fertilised, 4 made it to day 5, my one put back was graded 'good/fair'. (I'm 30) It's a lot of guesswork....

Yes, it is very scary at each stage thinking you might have none left if you keep waiting. We had never conceived before, so I thought - I'll get crap eggs/empty follies, I'll ovulate too soon, they won't fertilise, they won't divide.

Honestly, I forced myself to only look one step ahead and see each step as a victory even if we didn't get a bfp - ie at least we can get fertilisation etc. I am still in that mindset and don't really believe I might have a baby in 7.5 months. Just still one step at a time.

keepitgoing Tue 02-Apr-13 03:31:42

Oh, and I was told 35% success if one put back, 55% if two (45% single preg, 10% twin).the studies show a SET plus FET same success as DET and less risky, though of course there's a risk the emby may not defrost. We went set but might have changed in a subsequent cycle.

Good luck karbea when do you start stimming? Are you on LP?

Hi mewling good luck!!

Dildals Tue 02-Apr-13 08:51:31

I will still be lurking here as well I reckon :-) x

Karbea Tue 02-Apr-13 09:03:03

Keepitgoing I'm not sure will hopefully find out today (or not). I imagine I'll be on the lp. Also hoping to find out my amh and DHs DNA frag results.

Beautiful morning!

EuroShaggleton Tue 02-Apr-13 10:44:50

I hope so Didals. You and the other success stories can be our lucky mascots and reminder that it can work!

Dildals Tue 02-Apr-13 13:52:55

Counting down the days to my 12 week scan on Monday! :-)

Dildals Tue 02-Apr-13 13:53:42

oh, euro what issues did your bf have with her twin pregnancy? Where they identical?

EuroShaggleton Tue 02-Apr-13 15:24:21

That seems to have come around pretty quickly! Good luck!

Yes, they are identical - they came from her last frostie! Each scan seemed to differ as to whether or not they were sharing a sac - I'm not sure what side the drs came down on eventually! She had a lot of bleeding and scares in early pregnancy. And then her waters went at 31 weeks, resulting in her being bluelighted from London to Brighton as that was the nearest place with two free NICU beds! (Not ideal when she had a toddler at the time.) After being kept there for a week, they decided to send her home, on bedrest, save for very regular checkups to check for infection. She stayed on bedrest at home until 35 weeks (going completely stir crazy), when the twins were born by c-section. They were in NICU for a few days. She had been monitored closely for TTTS, and none had been spotted but they were born one dark and bloated, the other light and skinny, so it had been happening but missed. Both are absolutely fine now though, despite being a month prem and giving her a lot of drama!

I think a lot of the problems stemmed from them being identical and possibly sharing a sac (I think the most risky type of twins is where they share a sac and a placenta). Non-id twins are much less risky.

The waters going so early in particular was a huge worry, and has definitely affected my view of SET vs DET, although while we are doing natural IVF it is a choice I am unlikely to have to face.

Dildals Tue 02-Apr-13 15:50:37

The riskier ones are the ones where they share placenta/sac. But there are still a lot more risks, (pre) eclampsia, high BP, gestational diabetes, miscarriage, stillbirth and ofcourse premature labour. It makes for uplifting reading, but I can't do anything than hope for the best!

We both have twins in our family and the cycle before I started IVF I ovulated from both ovaries, so I think it was probably meant to be in a strange way.

keepitgoing Tue 02-Apr-13 16:06:26

Head in sand, dildals. You'll be fine! smile

EuroShaggleton Tue 02-Apr-13 16:09:43

Dildals I'm sure you will be fine. Most twin mummies are, and they will keep an extra close eye on you. As I said, it all turned out fine for my friend and her boys, despite the worries along the way.

I've laid more than one egg on a montired cycle before, and I have twins in both my mum and dad's families, so I'm a candidate too (or I would be if I could manage to get any kind of natural fertilisation!).

Karbea Tue 02-Apr-13 17:59:14

Just been to have my mid cycle scan (ended up being day16).

I got my amh results which are 5.46, the doctor said they were good for my age (39) but been googling and they look low????

However the bigger issue was he found a cyst, does anyone know if this means I won't be able to start at the end of the monitoring phase? The doc said it would depend on blood test results ie if the cyst was effective my hormones, does this mean I'll know when they call with the blood test results? Bit confused what happens now, it was pretty much all systems go last time as everything was clear in 'there'


buzzybee123 Tue 02-Apr-13 18:06:10

evening ladies, I was hoping I could join you all, I am starting DE IVF overseas in May. I start my drugs on Thursday. I've just turned the big 40, suffered 2 miscarriages, diagnosed with high nk cells and not a whiff of a BFP for 15 months. Tried SO and IUI. Had my fertility MOT and decided that with an AMH of 1.1 that I was best to go with DE even though the clinic here would have tried with my own.

choco I am sorry to hear your news, they do usually wait until 3 miscarriages before they start investigations unless you are of a certain age I think older than 37 then they will start after 2. I think it also depends on where you live.

eyes I think some clinics put alot of emphasis on your AMH, I felt devastated when I got mine as I had fallen pregnant quite quickly in the beginning. I was at another clinic that went by your E2 results and they were happy with mine so I do think it is down to the individual clinic. The clinic did tell me that they have success rates with women with AMHs lower than mine.
As for the supplements, I think I should get a medal for pretty much trying everything, I suppose it made me feel like I was doing something to try and improve things hmm now I just take aspirin, vitamin d folic acd, omega 3 and co enzyme q 10. My poor husband has been on all sorts but we were advised for him just to take a multi vitamin smile

hello to everyone else, some I know from other places

putthecrispsDOWN Tue 02-Apr-13 20:12:11

Hi all...have been lurking but thought it was polite to say hi! Have just started stimms for IVF...this is our fourth try. Our first try worked, have a lovely dd who is about to be three after a bit of a bumpy pregnancy(, second failed (never wokrked from the start tbh), and the third time couldn't down reg. seems to be going well this time (back on the gonal-f which worked well first time)So am feeling positive! I have low amh due to severe endo and lots of surgery but the drugs are made to counteract that I hope. Every cycle is so different ime. Fingers crossed for all of us!

Karbea - depends on the size of the cyst usually. I tend to have one or two and they usually let me carry on but this is if they are large then they may get in the way of the eggs...on my first cycle I had one large cyst which meant they couldn't collect from one ovary...however it still worked!!

twinklestar2 Tue 02-Apr-13 20:37:38

Hi can I join too? I have one more month of trying naturally before we go back for our appointment in May to start the assisted process.

Me and my husband have just turned 34, we have been TTC for 22 months. Everything is fine with me; husband has low morphology (1% which went up to 2% with a few lifestyle changes). We had our first appt at the fertility hospital (we are at the Hammersmith in London) 6 weeks ago. The docs advised my husband to give up drinking completely to see if that helps with the morphology.

So can I join? I really want some tips on how to prepare my body for IVF, is there anything I should/shouldnt be doing? Please let me know if I'm not in the right place... smile

Hi all from another lurker... eyes I agree with the others that AMH is a bit of a weird indicator. Different clinics have different views as to what is normal but the general consensus is that the higher it is the more easily you will respond to stimming and be at higher risk of OHSS. Mine was 39.9 which is freakishly high for my age (39) and so they put me on the short protocol with v low doses of stimms (112.5 iu gonal f). I didnt overstimulate but i didnt produce many eggs either (7).

It obviously did not do me any good conceiving naturally so a low level doesn't necessarily either. A high level is associated with PCOS but I have no other symptoms of it. My GP and the first IVF consultant I saw said I definitely did not have PCOS but the second consultant said I must be "on the spectrum" with an AMH like that. ??? Luckily my cycle worked so I don't need to explore that further but it just shows how mysterious AMH results are.

Ps nice to see all the new names!

putthecrispsDOWN Tue 02-Apr-13 20:48:15

Hi twinkle...do you have a kindle? If so have a look for a Zita West book about IVF...she goes on a bit and you have to be prepared to take some of it with a pinch of salt, but it is a good introduction to the whole process and how to prepare. As a rule we do no caffeine or alcohol during (and before if poss!) and I have regular acupuncture which I love, but I really do believe that you have to do what's right for you.

EuroShaggleton Tue 02-Apr-13 21:41:30

Welcome buzz. It's nice to see you over here. Not long now!

Welcome crisps (love the name). It's great that you have one IVF success already!

And finally welcome Twinkle! (Loving the swelling of our numbers smile) I'm usually pretty healthy anyway, but didn't really do anything different for my IVF cycle. Just kept an extra eye on making sure I was getting plenty of fruit and veg and lean protein. I stopped coffee (but not all caffeine) but that was really because I get terrible withdrawal eadaches when I give it up so I decided to do it beforehand when I could take the good drugs! I drunk lightly up to a few days past ET (just a glass here and there). I got a BFP so I think I would do the same again.

Interesting about your AMH fairy. I don't think I've ever heard of one that high amongst ttcers who reach the point where they are getting investigations done.

twinklestar2 Tue 02-Apr-13 22:35:19

Thx for the tip crisps, I've just ordered the book from Amazon. We drunk decaf tea and coffee, is that ok? We made the switch years ago. We probably drink about 5-6 cups a day.

Thx for the welcome, euro.

I forgot to say in my opening post congratulations to all who have their BFP and good luck to those still waiting.

euro I know, having the high AMH was reassuring in a way but it also increased the "why me?" type thoughts significantly. I also found the lack of any interest on the part of the doctors rather mystifying but perhaps if this cycle had failed they would have looked into it further. It did make me wonder whether the problem wasn't with DH eg DNA fragmentation but again the doctors were even less interested in him.

I stopped alcohol and caffeine during the cycle but otherwise ate normally (reasonably healthy anyway) and didn't try any supplements. On the blastocyst front, I was v keen to see which of my 4 embryos would make it that far so I took a risk that none would. Luckily two made it and one implanted so it paid off. At day 2 and day 3 the embryologist said they were all at exactly the same point of development (and looked good) so there was no way of choosing anyway. I would strongly advise anyone to talk to the embryologist every day after EC to get the best information ( if your clinic doesn't normally operate that way) and make an informed choice.

keepitgoing Wed 03-Apr-13 10:57:29

At day 5 I had one at blast, three at early blast, two at morula. Put the blast back, but one of the early blasts slowed and one of the morulas then made it to blast by the next day, so we froze three (but not the three that would have been frozen if they'd chosen on day 5...). confused

buzzy masses of luck for start in tomorrow! Will you be having nk treatment alongside the ivf?

Hi twinkle I guess I exercised more in the months up to ivf, but was only taking normal prenatal pills. I gave up caffeine almost, and alcohol almost, and tried to eat healthily. Up the protein when you start stimming - I had one of those protein shakes each day. I was not at all organic as I live in Thailand where everything is pumped with chemicals, so I just had to go with it... I've heard people say there are chemicals in cheap decaf tea to strip out the caffeine, and six cups a day is quite a lot. But like I said before I was on Thai food (msg-central).

Tbh I don't think what we're eating will be the cause of infertility in anyone. Eat healthily and be healthy but try not to stress about it.

resipsa Wed 03-Apr-13 13:20:51

Hi everyone. I'm rejoining on (t)winkle's advice. I think I popped in here to say hello in January but then life got in the way and I went back to the BFP thread only to see more go off happily with their BFP in hand. So, I return here with a plan to go for a first cycle of IVF next time around. AF due around 15 April.

My initial tests left me hopeful - AFC of 15+ and AMH of 21 - but I know that I'll be devastated if (when?) it fails. I'm 42 so it's last chance saloon for me.

If anyone has got an Top Tips for the 2 weeks to go before they start to drug me, then I will willigly pounce on them!

Karbea Wed 03-Apr-13 14:40:09

Hello resipsa what have you been doing so far?

resipsa Wed 03-Apr-13 16:52:04

Hi karbea. Not a lot to be honest. I'm a 5-a-day person anyway with a BMI of 21. I don't drink tea/coffee. I walk a lot for exercise (and run after DD(2)) a lot). My consultant's only advice was not to binge drink!

resipsa Wed 03-Apr-13 16:54:45

Whereabouts are you in all this "fun"?

Karbea Wed 03-Apr-13 17:06:07

Just about to start my second go, but I had a mid cycle scan yesterday and I've got a cyst, so I may have to wait another cycle.
I'm currently doing the paleo diet, caffeine free, drink a little maybe once a week. Take loads of vitamins...

putthecrispsDOWN Wed 03-Apr-13 19:41:33

So is anyone stimming or down regging at the moment? I have my first stims scan tomorrow, feeling pretty uncomfortable in my abdomen so hoping for some follicles...the horrid protein shakes have to count for something, right?

karbea I guess the palaeo diet is high in protein and low carbs? I'm a fairly healthy eater but as you can tell from my name I am partial to the odd salt and vinegar twirl wink

euro we have the same issue with SET/DET...after all the difficulty it seems mad to not give yourself the best chance, but in my successful pregnancy I conceived twins but m/c my other daughter at 21wks...so never sure whether it was a good choice which resulted in us having Dd, or something to avoid in the future. Not long until I decide but I think DET still feels right for us atm.

twinklestar2 Wed 03-Apr-13 20:48:47

Ach failed on the diet today! And 5 cups of decaf and a green tea consumed.

Karbea could you post a typical menu on the paleo diet? And is your OH doing it to!

buzzybee123 Wed 03-Apr-13 21:59:05

keep thank you I do feel a bit stressed about it all right now

crisps I have my depot shot tomorrow so its all about to kick off

keepitgoing Thu 04-Apr-13 11:10:06

buzzy I think the worst bit for me was the week leading up to starting. Once you start you're just going for it, and there are no/few decisions. Good luck good luck good luck.

ScarlettInSpace Thu 04-Apr-13 11:43:42

Pfft I've just had to hide a AIBU thread re IVF Funding before I lost my head & posted in it as I probably would've got banned my blood is still boiling and I didn't even get past the first page, I just haven't got time or mental capacity to argue with mis-informed self-righteous fucking twunts hiding behind a PC today!

angry angry angry

hello everyone btw <waves>

EuroShaggleton Thu 04-Apr-13 11:47:02

Hi Scarlett. I posted on it. A few of us on the BESH thread are ranting about it... I don't know why I looked. Those threads always go the same way.

Poster with 6 chidren: I don't think IVF should be funded on the NHS.
Poster with 4 children: yeah, what about all the cancer?
Euro: <bangs head on desk>

EuroShaggleton Thu 04-Apr-13 11:48:47

buzzy I agree that the lead up is the worst and you know how the drug delivery for mine freaked me out. <hugs>

I reckon I'll be going for my second cycle in May, hopefully with EC in late May, looking at where my dates fall.

CaipirinhasAllRound Thu 04-Apr-13 13:07:21

And I bet they say we should just accept infertility and adopt?
Those threads get me so mad!

Looks as though we'll be doing a medicated frozen cycle next and opting for 2 blasts this time. Won't be more a couple of months though, have got a rum fuelled holiday first!

CaipirinhasAllRound Thu 04-Apr-13 13:08:15

more for

ScarlettInSpace Thu 04-Apr-13 13:26:47

Apparently I should be over the moon that my OH had 2 kids with his ex-witch and I get to 'play parent' for 21 hours a week [12 hours of which they are asleep hmm ]. Twunts. I'm soooo glad I hid the thread <am a grown up grin>
Thankfully my PCT only take into consideration resident children hence I got my 1 free go.

Speaking of the PCT, I'm thinking about writing to them and including the research that high stims = bad eggs when DOR is diagnosed and see if they will accept the failure was likely a result of the clinics actions so I can get my funding reinstated for a mild attempt. Has anyone heard of such a request even getting a repsonse?

euro one day I will dig out the Beshtionnaire grin I just dip in and out of MN so much it hardly seems worth trying to keep up with another thread! It's a bit like at school really, I was never part of one particular group of people, I knew everyone and dipped in and out of different cliques & groups of friends all the while grin

caip that will fly by, especially with a pissed up holiday in the mix wink

EuroShaggleton Thu 04-Apr-13 13:45:53

You'd be very welcome Scarlett. The threads tend to move quite fast, but it's mostly just banter!

caip that sounds brilliant. You were right, btw. Someone just completed IVF thread bingo by mentioning adoption.

twinklestar2 Thu 04-Apr-13 15:40:38

Girls, does anyone know the waiting times for IVF on the nhs? Or does it vary hospital to hospital?

EuroShaggleton Thu 04-Apr-13 15:48:12

It varies hugely. There was basically no wait in my area. I've seen other people say they have to wait a year or more.

Dildals Thu 04-Apr-13 16:14:12

The HFEA has a list of fertility clinics which also displays their waiting list. Mine said there was a 3m wait, but there wasn't any at all. (Guy's on the NHS)

twinklestar2 Thu 04-Apr-13 19:34:59

Great thanks, I'll check out HFEA.

I'm really scared today about IVF sad

putthecrispsDOWN Thu 04-Apr-13 20:29:14

Euro don't be scared...it certainly is a rollercoaster but I'd rather be on it than off it smile

Had my first stimms scan today...9follies between 0.5 and 0.9 and one huge one at 1.8. Having less stims now (think they must be worried about OHSS) and another scan on Sat, EC next week some time hopefully. Have felt disappointed all day but know on balance that the results aren't too bad...I have an AMH of 4.1. Trying to have the mantra of 'I only need one' and failing miserably

Good luck buzzy , welcome to the land of hot flushes and irrational rage fits

putthecrispsDOWN Thu 04-Apr-13 20:30:02

Sorry meant to write twinkle not Euro...

Nokkie73 Thu 04-Apr-13 20:48:24

Evening all

I am in the mood for a cyberspace punch-up. Who are these twuntsacks who feel the need to comment on ivf funding when they know NOTHING about it ? Show them to me and I'll happily go all Kill Bill on their ass. I can get a cheap yellow skin tight PVC onesie and a cheap samurai sword from someone I know in Brixton, no bother.

I had my first day back at work today, hence the slightly angry nature of my post. So i've had to put up with either sympathetic looks, or people mumbling 'how are you ok oh that's good' all in one breath without making any eye contact or waiting for your answer and then moving away from you like you've got fecking dengue fever. Or they just plain forgot and don't even bother to ask you how you are and go on and on about some old shite you never cared about before, let alone now.

I shall be glad when the weekend comes.

Hello to all the newbies. It's lovely to see some fresh faces on here. I'll do an introduction when I'm a little less angry birds. But basically, I'm the sweary potty mouthed harridan of the group who believes the world is a better place if you say fuck quite a lot. euro you are the toast of MN ! The thread is a success !

I have my review with the doctor on Tuesday. Any tips on what I should ask him ? My head is battered and I need some guidance from my trusted MN crew, otherwise I'll just sit there hugging myself and saying 'bugger' a lot.

Noks x

Dildals Thu 04-Apr-13 21:43:51

noks good to have you back. I wish we had you on the preggers thread. I made a comment about my flatulence wreaking havoc on my sex life and no one laughed! There's not been any swearing yet either! Sad state of affairs.

Hang in there girl. x

twinklestar2 Thu 04-Apr-13 21:54:38

Thx crisps

I've had another day of lots of decaf teas and coffee! 5 cups blush. This is a bad habit I've picked up recently. From tomorrow it's back down to 2 cups a day.

Do you know if OH should be cutting back on caffeine too?

Torturing myself by watching One Born sad

EuroShaggleton Thu 04-Apr-13 22:21:38

twinks in my experience the dread and worry beforehand is much worse than actually doing it. I really, really didn't want to do it and spent a lot of energy wishing IVF had never been invented as I didn't want to do it at all, but felt obliged to give it a go. Other than getting my knickers in a twist for EC (which always happens when I am being knocked out in a hospital environment) it was really fine.

I think a little bit of caffeine is good for swimmers, but loads isn't great for either of you, apparently.

Welcome back noks. I suppose the main question I would want to ask is whether you should be doing anything different if you go again.

Not long now crisps!

Nokkie73 Thu 04-Apr-13 22:30:16

Dildals no-one laughs at your fart jokes ? That's cruel ! A good guff gag is priceless. Are Daff and Dill making you go to Trumpton ? Are they making you rumble in the jungle ?

I could go on.....

twinklestar2 Thu 04-Apr-13 22:45:14

Thx for your reassuring words, euro.

When I first came on to these boards I used to read stories about desperate women, women who had been ttc for ages and the breakdowns they'd have and the conversations they'd have with their OHs. can't believe that's me now.

chocoloco1 Thu 04-Apr-13 23:05:42

Been trying to pluck up courage to post again and noks and her fab swearing has got me back.

I will also say hello properly when I next come on here, it's nice to have some extra people on here.

twinkle I remember being totally freaked by the whole idea of IVF before we started our 1st go, and now, despite the failed cycle and then miscarriage, I would feel freaked out at the thought of not having IVF now. Hmmm, not sure that makes sense out loud.

noks sorry to hear about crap day at work, I hate it when people don't acknowledge stuff too, makes you feel shite and don't get me started on the seemingly pointless conversations about things that are of no consequence, I mean, who gives a fuck! Bitter and twisted, moi? I will see if I can find the questions I took to our first follow up appointment. I got them off that website with the initials FF ...

euro I see you are psyching yourself up to try again( think I read that right a while back) - good on you! It's really bloody tough picking yourself up and getting back on with it, isn't it?

<waves to everyone else, and promises to do proper personals next time>

Well we've been struggling with getting our heads around the various emotions at the moment and are heading off for a day out and a night way tomorrow as a bit of a distraction technique as it would have been our 7 week scan tomorrow. Looking forward to feeling properly happy again.

Nokkie73 Fri 05-Apr-13 00:27:08

Oh choco I could hug you. Have a lovely time away and don't forget us lot here when you come back. I do hope you will feel just a bit better each day. If you do, that's got to be progress, right ?

twinkle I totally get what you mean. This sort of shit happens to other people doesn't it ? Hmmmmm, obviously not. That aside, it is happening to us all here so feel free to use and abuse us all for information or just to have a rant

euro congrats on your new start date. Are you feeling ok about it all ? I ordered loads of supplements yesterday to see if they will make a difference. I just need to do something to feel proactive.

Night y'all. Hello to everyone else.

Nokkie Noo xx

buzzybee123 Fri 05-Apr-13 09:41:33

Morning ladies, i've been at work for over an hour now and i'm bored shitless, no colleagues to annoy yet hmm

noks you made me laugh with you pvc onsie,

I didn't see the ivf thread, but unless they've been in our shoes they should shut the f*ck up and keep their narrow minded opinions to themselves.

euro thank you for your support, it is greatly aprreciated

twinle I did my injection yesterday and it was more the thought of it all and the mixture of fear and relief, I too never thought I would be 'here' I remind myself that I am luckier than most to actually be 'here' at all

crisps thank you, I was going to say something else but I am unable to scroll back

choco I am so sorry, going away is a good idea

well all i've done is eat fruit this morning as we have nothing else so i'm most likely going to have the trots later on hmm well I better go look busy somehow

EuroShaggleton Fri 05-Apr-13 10:33:03

choc bizarrely, I can't wait to go again. I would definitely want to start as soon as my first post-mc period comes if the clinic would have let me (not sure - have an appt in a couple of weeks) but that's not going to be possible because of my work travel. So IVF#2 will end up being in May, I hope.

I feel your pain re: scans. My 12 week one would have been coming up. Luckily(?) I'm daftly busy at work and stressing about other things, which is taking my mind off it. I hope you can come up with some nicer distractions!

Nok I don't have an official start date yet, but as I will have had two periods post-mc by the time I want to go again, I hope the clinic will let us go ahead. We've got our follow up appointment in a couple of weeks. TBH, if they try to push it back any further, I might just go elsewhere, but I don't see why they would, particularly as we are doing natural, so there isn't an issue in terms of letting my body get over the drugs.

buzz the mixed feelings are completely normal. Sticking yourself with needles to get pregnant is not the way anyone wants to do it, but I am grudgingly glad that science has given us this opportunity. <hugs>

Pipbin Fri 05-Apr-13 16:14:21

Um, hi ladies, can I join please?

I'm due to have my very first appointment at the clinic on Tuesday next week. I don't know how I feel about it really.

EuroShaggleton Fri 05-Apr-13 16:15:49

Of course. Come on in. I was hugely apprehensive about IVF and put it off for ages but now I am a convert because it gave me my first ever BFP!

Pipbin Fri 05-Apr-13 16:23:51

Euro Don't I know you from somewhere? wink

My big problem at the moment is that our first appointment is fine, as I'm off work but the second two are not only during work time but also during the week we are hopefully moving house! I think I might have to delay them. As it is I think that I am going to fail on the BMI anyway.

keepitgoing Fri 05-Apr-13 16:35:57

Ha ha, euro the ivf evangelist. Who'd have thought it ;)

Hi Pip welcome. Ditto on the first ever bfp from ivf. It works! Could you take sick leave for the appointment? Sounds like you have a lot going on at the moment.

Pipbin Fri 05-Apr-13 17:31:00

I'm a teacher Keeping, I was hoping to do it in the holidays really, both moving house and the initial appointments.
So I'm hoping that they will be willing to change the appointments and give me a chance to talk to my head teacher first. I think he'll be ok about it all, I want to be honest about it really, my head of department is lovely and really supportive. She knows we are heading that way, I just thought it would be in the summer really.
Also I had time off in January for a lap and dye so I don't want to take the piss really.

twinklestar2 Fri 05-Apr-13 19:36:00

Hi pip smile

Pipbin Fri 05-Apr-13 21:02:02

Hello Twink I didn't expect to see you here.

EuroShaggleton Sat 06-Apr-13 08:21:33

pip do you know what the appointments are for?

Morning ladies

So much activity over here. I've been lurking around in the shadows. Hello and good luck to everyone starting their cycles.

Choco I feel for you so much. <big hugs> I've been thinking of you loads. Have a good holiday. X

Noks I'm sorry work was so bad. People are often afraid of saying the wrong thing and in saying nothing at all make it worse. It is a horrible situation and I hope that your appt on Tuesday helps to take things forward for you. I'll see if auntie Zita has any tips in her book to ask and let you know. I asked all her pretreatment questions as you know. Oh the image of you in a yellow catsuit brandishing a dodgy sword from Brixton was pricelesssmile See you soon honey.

Euro I'm glad work is a distraction but I hope you aren't working too hard! Looking forward to hopefully meeting up soon.

<waves to everyone else> Have a lovely day. The sun is shining for once.

Shazza xx

twinklestar2 Sat 06-Apr-13 12:04:50

Hi pip, no point putting off the inevitable.

Nokkie73 Sat 06-Apr-13 19:26:45

Hello ladies

shazza I shall procure a yellow catsuit and sword and practise my moves just for you !

pip welcome my love. My best mate is a teacher so I know how difficult it is to plan things like this around your holidays. How are you feeling about all this - are you going for ivf (sorry, I can't look back on the thread past this page so apologies for the daft question) ?

Hello to everyone else. Can anyone tell me what that big yellow thing in the sky is ? grin

Noks x

Pipbin Sun 07-Apr-13 10:27:38

My appointments are for my initial blood test and weigh in (which I am worried about as I have a BMI of 30 exactly), then the ones on the week starting the 22nd are for a dildocam and results of said dildocam.

EuroShaggleton Sun 07-Apr-13 11:12:49

Hmm, if you put the appointments off, I guess the question is when they could be rescheduled. BTW, I had those appointments in January on my NHS round and would have been able to start my cycle in March (although in the event I freaked out and put it off for a few months). So it might be the case that keeping this appointments would mean that you could cycle over the summer holidays. You'll need most time off during the cycle itself. It's a tricky one.

Pipbin Sun 07-Apr-13 12:23:08

The initial blood test one I can attend without a problem, its just the other two are likely to be the week we move house! Taking time off for them as well as moving is not going to be good.

putthecrispsDOWN Sun 07-Apr-13 19:58:56

pipbin hi....I always feel like I need to be totally focused on IVF when I'm doing it...so IMO I'd put the appointments back a couple of weeks if it's possible and doesn't make any difference to your health or the clinic. Are you a secondary teacher?(I am!)It's important to feel like you did everything you could, even if it is in the run up to the cycle.

Another scan tmw, still waiting for them to catch up and grow, starting to feel like I have two bowling balls for ovaries....Does 12 days (so far) and 10 seem like a normal number and length? (sorry, still worry about these things even though it's my fourth cycle...)

twinklestar2 Sun 07-Apr-13 20:08:53

I keep swinging between thinking that IVF is going to work first time and I'll end up with twins (even thinking about names) and then feeling like its never going to happen for me. Please tell me these feelings are normal.

EuroShaggleton Sun 07-Apr-13 20:18:23

Twink completely normal. Believe me, that's just the start of the IVF mentalling. smile

pip I agree with put about being focussed, but if you can't reschedule the appts in fairly short order, you might lose your chance to cycle in the summer holidays (if that is what you are aiming for) and that is when you need to focus on what you are doing, get the drugs tight etc. - not for the weighing and initial scan appointments.

EuroShaggleton Sun 07-Apr-13 20:18:58

Put I've never stimmed so I can't help on your queston I'm afraid.

chocoloco1 Sun 07-Apr-13 21:04:42

Hi everyone, nice to see lots of newbies smile. I've just read back through the thread to try and catch up, it's been quite busy!

Hello to eyes, keep and shazza. Glad everything's still going well for you keep. Great to read your news about the scan shazza - so pleased for you and thanks for thinking of me.

Anyone know what happened to tilly?

pip hello, I'm a teacher too and my head was very good about time off, I often had whole days as my clinic is not near home and it was awkward with times. For this 3rd cycle the head has basically said that I can't really have the time off, so I'll have to go for the summer hols(aaargh - it's ages away!)

buzz how are the injections going? How did you find the clinic where you are doing your DE cycle? My AMH is low and DE was mentioned to me when I got my results last June, so I think the subject may come up with the consultant again.

twinkle your feelings are totally normal, or we're all as mad as each other wink I remember when my acupuncturist and DH both started talking about IVF I was dead against it, but now I'm an addict!

caip hello, are you back from hols yet?

mewling are you still about? I forget what stage you're at

scarlett how are you doing? I would be interested to know what our consultant's view is on the high stim= poor quality egg question as I've read lots about that too, but was on full dose stims both times

karbea how are things with you? What happened about the cyst? Did they let you carry on? I had one this cycle, but they let me carry on

crisps those numbers sound good to me. Let us know how your next scan goes

euro May isn't too far away now, exciting that you can start again. I like the sound of doing a natural cycle, which clinic are you at?

dildals is your scan tomorrow? So exciting.

noks how are you doing? What supplements did you order in the end? It will be good to have your follow up on Tuesday and hear what your consultant has to say. I used this link for our follow up appointment


Back from a nice weekend and feeling surprisingly refreshed. Had a mini-meltdown on Friday at the time when the scan would've been, but have had enough of being sad now and am getting back into the mindset I DON'T give up! I'm going to start back on the supplements from tomorrow, before I was on pregnacare conception, co-enzyme Q10, royal jelly, bee propolis, omega 3 , evening primrose and wheatgrass. Have I missed anything important?! Has anyone ever taken the low dose aspirin? Or is that only when you get a bfp? I have an appointment with the gp on Tuesday and I'm going to ask if any testing can be done at this point and then follow up appointment in 3 weeks with the consultant t get booked in for the summer hols!

Phew, think that's it...

EuroShaggleton Sun 07-Apr-13 21:11:11

Hi choco. Glad you had a good weekend away and are feeling refreshed.

I'm at Create. There are only a couple of places that really focus on natural. If the clinic okays us for May, I'll be heading for EC at the end of the month, assuming the mc hasn't messed things up too much.

chocoloco1 Sun 07-Apr-13 21:17:45

Sounds good euro. I think I've read about create during my endless hours googling Depending on what AF does between now and then I'm hoping for July, the wait's killing me already!

Pipbin Sun 07-Apr-13 22:19:26

Thanks for the help guys. I really don't know how a feel about it all. Part of me wants a baby no matter what but I just don't want to have to do all of this.

I remember ages ago, before we even started TTCing seeing a thing on the TV about IVF and DH and I looked at each other and said 'we will need that', no reason to suspect anything was wrong but I always knew that this would end up happening.

The other problem with taking time of is that DH and I work at the same school. And having to take time of soon to move too..........

twinklestar2 Sun 07-Apr-13 22:31:02

I'm the same pip, I wish I didn't have to do all this. I remember going to the docs after TTC for a year and feeling like such a failure.

It's my 2nd wedding anniversary this week! How did this happen to me? I should be planning on when to have my 2nd, not still wondering whether I'll ever even get my first.

I know that people around me are wondering why we havent had babies yet, esp as I have always been so into children. It makes me sad.

choco glad you had a nice break.

Thx everyone for listening. My mind is in bits, feel like I want a break from my OWN HEAD.

buzzybee123 Sun 07-Apr-13 23:09:25

choco I was advised by my GP to take mini aspirin after my first miscarriage, it is also part of Shehatas nk cell regime, I take it every day 22 months and counting.
It is only one injection, I had a few headaches and ovary twinges but that is all. I looked on FF and read up on a few clinics, this one seems to have a good reputation and they are very quick with responding to emails etc and are happy to answer any questions. I was planning on just doing IVF at this clinic but they suggested DE, I was a bit freaked out but then had a fertility MOT and an AHM of 1.1 so decided as money is limited we would stand a better chance with DE., Its alot cheaper overseas even with flights and accommodation, we are making it into a bit of a holiday too smile I work on the theory that I just want to be a mum and after two years of trying and miscarriages etc I don't care how it happens, I just want it to happen, I don't believe my DNA would make me love a child more or be a better mum.

twinkle they are totally normal feelings, ones I have myself, I too thought I would be planning my second by now hmm

euro hope you get some down time from work soon

hope everyone had a good weekend, mine was spent doing DIY, Its a great distraction grin

keepitgoing Mon 08-Apr-13 02:29:45

pip I agree yoou should try and do these admin-y appointments asap so that you can cycle in the summer. Maybe tell the head that? And see if fertility friends has any info on your clinic's waiting times. Technically dh could probably only go on EC day...and you never know some appointments/EC/ET might fall at the weekend.

choco glad you're ready for your next cycle, the summer hold will be here soon!

crisps I only stimmed for 8 days, but it's just individual and ten sounds like a great number. How long did you stim on previous cycles? I hope you can trigger tonight!

twinks there is lots of ivf mentalling, totally normal smile I guess no one wants to have to get pregnant like this, but 'eyes on the prize' and if it works you won't care.

buzzy you sound so great. When do you go abroad?

euro I hope your cycle behaves so you can go again asap.

EuroShaggleton Mon 08-Apr-13 09:46:14

Twinks it took me ages to get my head around IVF. I think it was partly because we are unplained. Having a fairly unpleasant treatment without any problem being diagnosed is pretty counterintuitive. But it worked, so it must have overcome whatever problem we have. I think every person going for IVF would rather have had a blissful sh@g and two weeks later have a BFP, but we've all tried that way quite a bit and it just ain't working! TBH, I didn't get completely comfortable with having IVF until we got our BFP.

keep I hope I'll get back on track quickly, but I've read a lot of stories about wacky cycles after an mc. I oved just 2 days later than I would have expected to on pre-mc, so hopefully that is a good sign. I'm just waiting to discover what my luteal phase will do now.

pip Mr euro came to one of the early appointments (where we both had to have the HIV, etc blood tests), came to one of my scans which fell on a Saturday, EC (which he is pretty essential for!) and ET (he wasn't going to come to the latter but I became convinced our embie would have died before I got to the clinic and so made him come to hold my hand). Their involvement can be pretty limited.

choco I really wanted to go again in April but can't fit it in (if the clinic would have allowed it) because of work travel. Now I'm actually kind of glad. With the mc and the crazy working, I am eating rubbish and haven't seen the inside of a gym in far too long. Those extra weeks will give me a chance to try to knock myself back into shape and health before we go again.

EuroShaggleton Tue 09-Apr-13 11:34:20

Just giving this a bump as we had dropped over to page 2!

keepitgoing Tue 09-Apr-13 12:42:25

crisps, any news?

chocoloco1 Tue 09-Apr-13 12:48:49

It has all gone a bit quiet on here! Nothing new from me really, off to see GP this afternoon on the off chance anything can be done after 2 mcs. Any news from anyone else?

twinklestar2 Tue 09-Apr-13 12:55:48

No news from me really. I'm going for one last try naturally so am in my fertile period.

keepitgoing Tue 09-Apr-13 13:07:26

Go for it twinkle. Do a shaz (she'd even started down regging!)

Pipbin Tue 09-Apr-13 15:04:59

Hi ladies. So we arrived at the clinic and they had Radio 2 playing in the waiting room, and the track was Boney M's Daddy Cool, the irony was not lost on us.

Today was just a blood test and they let us reschedule the second of our next two appointments.

So really, no news.

chocoloco1 Tue 09-Apr-13 21:28:09


buzzy your clinic sounds good and you sound very sorted. I have struggled to get my head around DE, but I really want a child, so can't be choosy!

pip glad you have started with blood tests, clinic waiting rooms are funny places aren't they?

euro I know what you mean about the fitness thing, before IVF I had managed to stay at around the same weight for months and now I have gone up by half a stone, having lost it when I got the bfp and the 10 days after. Am trying to eat healthily as of Sunday and am back on the supplements now.

noks how was your appointment today?

keep are you still feeling sick?

<waves to everyone else>

Appointment at docs today was fairly pointless as I thought it would be. Am starting the countdown now to the 29th when we go back to see the consultant and hopefully get the ball rolling with tests etc then. It brought everything back today by going to the gp as this would have been my appointment to tell her I was pg sad

Onwards and upwards!

putthecrispsDOWN Tue 09-Apr-13 21:28:15

Hi all...thanks for the reminder keep, have been daft busy..am going for a new world record for longest stimming ever I think..this is currently day 13! Have another scan tmw morning, keeping fingers crossed that I'll get the nod. Still have about ten follies, which are growing steadily but on their own timescale. If we trigger tomorrow, EC would be on Friday, ET Sun-Tues depending. Our IVF miracle Dds birthday party is on Sat (23 three year olds!) and her birthday is on Sun so it will be an interesting weekend I think! Thought it would be all sorted by then...we always make a big deal of her birthday as it was a huge journey to end up having her and something that should be celebrated.

twinkle baby dust is being sent your way. I really really hope you end p as one of those stories ("I had this friend...she was just about to start IVF and then...) - this did happen to my friend so hope you will have the same! And don't worry about the mentalling...all completely normal. I always dread IVF but then we cope fine, I think the waiting and unknowing is the worst but iykwim.

euro hope everything settles and cycles for you soon.

pipbin every time we have treatment there is some ridiculous song playing, let's hope it is a sign!

chocoloco1 Tue 09-Apr-13 21:29:51

Good news that you are still on track crisps. I think mine was 13 days in the end!

putthecrispsDOWN Tue 09-Apr-13 21:54:36

Good good chocoloco... My DD is a (lovely) stubborn one and was even through mynpregnancy so am hoping this is just genetic and the way that a lovely stubborn baby will be created!

EuroShaggleton Tue 09-Apr-13 22:38:30

Twink good luck for your last natural go! I'm just awaiting AF (due later this week) and then we'll be on to what I hope will be our last natural cycle before going again (although I'll probably be away for ov so I don't hold out great hopes for doing a shazz). We have our clinic appointment in a week to hopfully confirm timing.

choco milestones like that are sad. I think I'd be hitting 12 weeks around now. I'm trying not to count the weeks any more but I seem to remembering calculating that I should have reached 12 weeks in mid-April.

Mission "get euro in shape" start next week, after my deadline. I need to start eating better and getting back to the gym. I'm kind of looking forward to it.

ScarlettInSpace Wed 10-Apr-13 09:04:37

Hi everyone, I'm after a bit of advice from you all!

Ive pretty much given up on the possibility of natural conception, but I am continuing to take all my supplements so my system is topped up and ready when we do the IUI, and also in case we find £5k down the sofa to have another crack at IVF. Plus I've started taking DHEA and that needs 2-3 months to get into your ststem apparently. I'm due on next weekend so should be starting the IUI then but I think I'm going to put it off until June, I just think I need a break. BUT I also feel like my chances decrease with every passing month they goes by though, so maybe i should just get started as planned? OH is useless, he says it's up to me hmm I don't think it helps that I feel like IUI is a bit of a waste of time...


EuroShaggleton Wed 10-Apr-13 10:21:12

Scarlett that's a tricky one. I feel the same about the passing months and definitely feel a real urgency to get on with things.

I didn't get anywhere with my 2 goes at IUI and my clinic bascially said it was a waste of time. I'm glad I gave it a go though, because I needed to work up to IVF via baby steps.

Given your circs, have you considered natural/mild IVF? It's still spenny (£3-3.5k at my clinic) but less so than full and you wouldn't be pumped full of high drug doses. Could you have a bit of a break while you save for that?

buzzybee123 Wed 10-Apr-13 19:11:24

evening ladies

I have been stupidly busy with work and DIY which keeps me occupied, had a bi of a freak out this morning when speaking to one of the nurses about my depot injection, I emailed them thinking I ha made a right royal cock up but they have assured me its all ok.

keep we leave on the 4th May and plan to make a bit of a holiday of it all. I'm still not really sure how I feel about it all but I am very supported where I work which is great as I feel tearful a bit, not sure if its the drugs or just me.

choco I am pleased with the clinic, they are great communicators so far. I have to admit I was upset when they said I should consider DE with my history/age/test results hmm It felt like a massive slap in the face, the doctor I was emailing was apologetic (she could tell from my response that it was a shock suggestion) but I really only have one shot at it so want to give ourselves the best chance, it did take time to come round to DE and to reconcile that any child I have will not biologically be mine.

crisps well done on stimming, you eggs will get there when they are ready smile

twink good luck with the miracle BFP before starting IVF, it does happen

euro I don't really think you need to lose weight, I'd kill for youir figure, I was going to start my get rid of my lard arse tonight but sadly lard arse is now sitting down hmm we did have some equipment delivered to work, no one told me it was coming so spent alot of time arguing with the delivery guy about it but there are some hand weights in there which I plan to use each morning at work to try and get rid of my bingo wings grin also not seeing our elderly patients actually being able to lift some of them hmm

scarlett it is a tough decision I had one go at IUI and though it should work, I mean why not, the sperm is being dropped off at the door I had 4 eggs, surely it couldn't fail hmm it is hard to take a break as you do think of it as a wasted cycle but you also need to think about yourself and maybe a break is what you need, it is just one month, can I ask if you have been prescribed DHEA??

choco you said I sound sorted, thank you I have to say that it is mainly down to 3 things
1/ changing where I was working with in my team to lower my stress levels
2/ Got a cat who is treated like a baby
3/ had life coaching, this what really turned me around, I was so low and depressed, she helped learn about who I really am and gave me a totally different outlook on life, she has helped me realise that I just want to be a mum and that if I couldn't do it naturally then DE IVF and adoption would still get me the same result.

well I better go and sort out dinner

ScarlettInSpace Wed 10-Apr-13 19:42:11

euro I think we'd kind of thought we would do the IUI while we got the cash together for a mild IVF - I have said I want to try a mild cycle & a natural cycle, so that then I've tried all 4 protocols and I know I've given each one a fair shot! Because I only have 1 tube they will abandon the IUI on the cycles my R ovary dominates so I feel like in letting myself in for 6 months of drugs and scans. I don't know, I think perhaps I will get the drugs this week [before my pre-paid script card runs out in May] and see how I feel the day I come on, fuck it, who doesn't enjoy a lastminute game changing decision grin

buzz my consultant said she can't prescribe DHEA because it's not sanctioned in the UK, but if I did decide to try it <nudge nudge wink wink> and she was allowed to prescribe, she would suggest a daily dose of 75mg and make sure I use a trustworthy website to buy from USA grin

buzzybee123 Wed 10-Apr-13 21:07:27

scarlett grin at your last minute decision making, I did buy DHEA online here in the UK, sadly it didn't make any difference to me but did for a friend of mine

ScarlettInSpace Wed 10-Apr-13 21:51:02

Well I haven't grown a handlebar moustache or started talking like Barry White yet so I figure it can't do any harm grin

buzzybee123 Wed 10-Apr-13 22:41:22

scarlett grin grin grin I did end up like some spotty greasy teenager

EuroShaggleton Wed 10-Apr-13 22:50:19

That sounds like a sensible plan, Scarlett - give everything a go!

ScarlettInSpace Wed 10-Apr-13 23:15:13

Hehe as well as the 18 vits & mins in sanatagen folic acid + omega 3 tablets I'm taking Q10, vit D + calcium, vit C, maca, bee pollen + royal jelly AND the DHEA... My skin's never been so good! I will end up one of those childless old ladies with beautiful skin grin

twinklestar2 Wed 10-Apr-13 23:36:01

Thx peeps but I really don't think I'll get the miracle BFP before IVF. You know those stories where someone was trying for ages and then they got a new job/was just about to get referred to the fertility clinic/gave up trying etc? Well they dont happen to me, in fact I got AF the day I started a new job (after hanging on to the old one for waaay too long thinking of the mat pay) and the day I had my first appointment at the fertility clinic, AF arrives about an hour before. It's like reverse irony.

putthecrispsDOWN Thu 11-Apr-13 08:12:40

Hi all...quick update from me until I have time to do a proper one later...am cooked!! Had trigger shot last night, EC tomorrow morning. Feeling very achy today so hopefully that means I have lots of eggs maturing nicely! Plus get the weekend free to sort out DDs birthday so for once it seems to have worked out nicely; ET will be Monday to Wednesday depending on what happens over the weekend. Over the moon to be here at last!

scarlett fwiw...I would wait. I rushed into a cycle last year feeling that I needed to get on with it but wasn't ready...it didn't work and it was a hard slog all the way through and I struggled more with it than any other cycle psychologically. Don'tu underestimate the importance of a positive mindset through this all, it is so important to get you through the long process.

twinklestar2 Thu 11-Apr-13 09:34:49

Good luck crisps! Have a lovely weekend for your little girls birthday, I heard its going to be sunny on Sunday smile

EuroShaggleton Thu 11-Apr-13 10:34:43

Crisps I'm glad everything worked out timing wise! Good luck for EC!

Twink I can't wait for a bit of sunshine. I am so over this miserableness.

keepitgoing Thu 11-Apr-13 10:42:11

Yay crisps well done you. It's a sign, I tell you, a SIGN that all the timing's worked out well. Good luck.

putthecrispsDOWN Thu 11-Apr-13 19:46:47

Ah thanks you lovely lot. Am feeling positive at least so that must be good!! scarlett not that you seem to need any more tablets but I swear by ginseng and gingko biloba for energy (I'm also a supplement junkie)

Did anyone else hear that the founder of IVF died today? Very sad...but the article also said that in the past 30ish years over 5 million ivf babies had been born, so there's hope for us surely!

Good vibes gratefully received and reciprocated. When I was trying for my daughter years ago there was a group of about six of us who were all friends and all having trouble conceiving...everyone in that group has kids now...in fact everyone else has two! Hopefully this group will be the same and we'll all end up on a special episode of 16 kids and counting in a few years grin

Nokkie73 Thu 11-Apr-13 20:38:41

Hello y'all

How are we all this evening ? I had my follow-up and the consultant said that he was pleased with my response considering my shitty AMH. He has booked me in for a hysteroscopy to see if there is any scarring or gunk on my uterus from my D&C after MC, just to rule out any problems with my uterus. I am still a bit emotionally up and down but I don't like feeling too down for too long as it feels so counter-productive.

Anyway, I'm shoving supplements into my fat gob like some sort of druggie. Mr Noks watched me taking them this morning and said that I should have been a member of the Happy Mondays as Shaun Ryder would have been proud of the way I was popping them. Hmmmmm, I can tell you that coq10, raspberry leaf tea, red clover, maca, l'arginine, royal jelly and everything else does not give you the same buzz as Class A's (apparently wink) but if it will help, I'll take it.

crisps good luck ! Here, have some good vibes !

scarlett if I were you, I'd give your self a break. I couldn't face doing another round right now but hope to go again around July time. Mentally, this is bloody tough.

choco hugs.

keeps twinkle euro grin HOLA !

Sorry for the lack of other name checks and detailed personals. I can only see this page !

Noks x

EuroShaggleton Fri 12-Apr-13 11:02:13

How was EC crisps?

Noks do you have a date for the hysteo?

putthecrispsDOWN Fri 12-Apr-13 15:32:34

Thanks for the good vibes folks, EC went well, 7eggs which is amazing considering my AMH and the state of my ovaries... This is also twice what we managed to get last time. Of course they won't all be mature/fertilise and so on, but we're really happy with that as a starting point!...in fact they said 8 is bang in average so I've done really well considering.

Will find out tomorrow about whether we're doing a 3day or 5day transfer depending upon numbers, but feeling positive at this point. Chuffed to bits as there was always a chance we'd get absolutely nowt by this point!
Off to bed now as feeling more sore and tired than usual, will update tomorrow.

noks it sounds like you have a plan of attack now which is always good, I hope it will be reassuring to get everything checked out for peace of mind. If its any help I have loads of scarring from four operations on my ovaries and surrounding area and things still seem to have worked out for us so far * touches wood * ...plus July is a nice time to start, I always think its easier to chill and feel positive when the sun is shining.

putthecrispsDOWN Fri 12-Apr-13 15:33:26

*bang on average, not banging of course!

EuroShaggleton Fri 12-Apr-13 15:37:50

7 is brilliant! Nice laying! Have a good rest.

Nokkie73 Fri 12-Apr-13 19:17:45

crisps well bloody done ! That sounds brilliant. You must be thrilled. I'll be keeping everything crossed for you tomorrow. Thanks for your advice re scarring too. I think it's best to have it checked out to eliminate any issues there if nothing else.

euro 7th May for fanjo action. grin

MotorcycleMama Sat 13-Apr-13 06:49:36

Morning all. Would you mind if I join you? I am 41 and have been TTC for 2 years. Am in the very early stages of signing up for DEIVF. I've got an appt with my GP on Monday to see if they will do the preliminary blood work, and a SIS and appt with the nurse on Weds. With Herts and Essex BTW. I would really appreciate some support while I find my way through this stressful maze!

Nokkie73 Sat 13-Apr-13 10:29:20

motor welcome ! Care to share your history ? We're all at different stages here. I've been ttc for four and a half years, MC six months in, no luck since, failed IVF at the end of March 2013. How are you feeling ? X

EuroShaggleton Sat 13-Apr-13 11:48:31

Welcome Motor. It's always nice to have a new joiner.

I've been ttc for 2.5 years. Tried various forms of assisted conception (including a disasterous encounter with downregging drugs that really didn't like me) before finding natural IVF, which worked first time but ended in mc a month ago. I'm planning to go again next month.

crisps have you heard whether the eggs and swimmers got it on yet? smile

MotorcycleMama Sat 13-Apr-13 12:16:23

Hi nokkie and euro. Please forgive my naivety in chatroom etiquette and short-hand - I'll work it out as I go.
I had a natural, and totally unplanned pregnancy which ended in miscarriage at 12 weeks 5 years ago. I didn't even know I was pregnant until I was 6 weeks gone. Even though the circumstances were wrong in that I was not in a steady relationship, I was totally devastated and took two years to recover emotionally.
Now have very good husband, and we started TTC 2 years ago when we got married. After 1 year, GP finally referred us to local hospital for tests. I have low AMH, high FSH, one blocked Fallopian tube and am 41. They put my chances of conceiving naturally as about 5%, and 15% with IVF. They have said that my chances with DE are much higher, so we decided to go for that at Herts and Essex.
I have had implications counselling (no probs), and due to have a SIS and appt with the nurse to get me on the waiting list for DE on Wednesday.
I'm up and down emotionally. I daren't get too optimistic that it will work, as I fear disappointment. At the same time, I want a baby more than anything else in the world.
I'm sorry to hear about your recent failed IVF nokkie - but don't give up hope. What is your next plan of action?
Sorry euro about your recent miscarriage - and pleased that you are giving it another go. What is natural IVF by the way?

CuckooBird Sat 13-Apr-13 15:27:16

Hello everyone. I have been inspired to join after reading Motorcycle's posts; they are almost identical to my experience: I have a blocked fallopian tube and have been trying to get me a baby for the past year. I am going straight to DE IVF in June at the ReproGenesis clinic in Brno, Czech Republic. I haven't attempted any other forms of assisted conception because, quite frankly, I consider it a complete waste of time and money at my age (almost 42). To have two guaranteed 5-day blastos transferred from a young 'un with proven fertility, PICSI and a 62% success rate for my age I reckon I'd be bonkers to try anything else.

I struggled for about 35 minutes with the notion of raising a child that isn't biologically mine before realising I am desperate to be a mother, not to continue my dodgy family bloodline. I also like the idea of not passing any of my depressive, anxious or cuckoo traits to my little 'un. My mother (whom I adore and is religious) told me the other day that she would not be able to love a child that was not 'mine'. I told her that was tough titties. I don't see that I really have a choice in the matter (UK clinics have given me an 11% success rate with my own eggs. Fuck that). There's no room for being precious about genes at my age so it's full steam ahead. I start the drugs at the beginning of May and I will be frank: if this doesn't work I will kill myself (or the husband; he has failed to give up smoking. Donor sperm is only 500 euros so I may go for the double whammy yet) <shrugs>

I have just finished reading the entire last thread and I would like to say I was nearly in fucking tears reading about euro's, nokkie's and chocolocco's sad outcomes. Scarlett, too, your sadness was difficult to read. I am sorry if I have missed anyone out. Am I okay to join 'cos I think I'll go frigging nuts with no-one else to talk to about the coming weeks (I blabbed the whole story to the dentist's assistant on Thursday. She was only about twelve).

CuckooBird Sat 13-Apr-13 15:31:07

Oooh, I forgot to say that, in addition to the price of DE IVF at Brno (4500 euros), we shall be paying an extra 600 euros for embryo monitoring. DH's sperm will also be tested for it's binding qualities and then injected into the eggs (PICSI). If we decide to go for donor sperm we are guaranteed frosties! A FET cycle is only 600 euros!

MotorcycleMama Sat 13-Apr-13 15:48:47

Hi cuckoo. I felt similarly about straight-forward IVF given the low chances they gave me, but I do understand people wanting to try using their own eggs first. TBH I thought that I would just give up on the idea of having a family if I couldn't succeed naturally, and hadn't even considered DE until a gynaecologist told me I would have a 30% chance. That seemed like reasonable odds given the emotional and financial cost. The consultant at the fertility clinic talked about 60 % chance, but much as I would like to believe that is true, I find it hard to believe. Can you say why you are going to the Czech Republic?

CuckooBird Sat 13-Apr-13 16:14:32

Hi, motorcycle mama. I've done very little research of any other clinics than ReproGenesis. I am on the 'ReproGenesis Cycle Buddies' forum on Fertility Friends and the feedback is enormously reassuring. Helena at the clinic is wonderfully succinct and kindly in her emails and no question is too foolish. Her rapid responses are gratifying, too. ReproG is in its infancy but very high success rates (they insist on ICSI). The cost is a huge factor; this is our one chance of a baby and we are guaranteed two five-day blastos. FET cycles at 600 euros are also an attractive prospect.

I have such a good feeling about this, mama. I know what a gamble IVF is; I know the heartache and crushing disappointment that awaits us if this fails, but I feel very reassured that I will be carrying a young, healthy wench's beautiful eggs (and I've been told my uterus and lining is fab). I had a miscarriage last year so I know implantation isn't an issue, I simply have to swallow my pride and any feelings of preciousness about my genes and bite the bullet with DE.

Mama, what makes you think 60% is an unrealistic statistic with donor eggs?

buzzybee123 Sat 13-Apr-13 16:23:54

afternoon ladies, I have been stupidly busy hmm in fact so busy that I forgot to see my osteo this morning angry my mind seems to be everywhere except where it should be hmm

crisps great laying smile

motor and cuckoo welcome, its nice to have a couple of DE IVFers on here.

I am 40 been trying for 2 years, 2 miscarriages, high nk cells very low AMH of 1.1. I too decided that there was not much point in trying with my own over boiled eggs so I am having DE IVF at Reprofit in Brno at the beginning of May.

cuckoo have you been on FF DE IVF threads, they are quite good for info. Its a pity we won't be in Brno at the same time smile i'm a bit shock and angry that you mother could say such a thing. My MIL has said she doesn't care where her grandchildren come from, but in a nice way, she knows we are considering adoption,

motor I just looked up overseas clinics and then chose mine as the price was good, they are great at communicating with me, answer all my questions and very quickly. It seems to have good results and most importantly I felt comfortable with them. It is a great help that there are forums where you can chat to women who have been and who can give advice and information too. I looked at some others but they either didn't have much information available or never got back in touch with me.

well better get back top my endless list of DIY smile waves to anyone I have missed

EuroShaggleton Sat 13-Apr-13 16:26:15

Hi cuckoo. There is a poster here called buzzy who is about to start DEIVF at the same place.

Natural IVF=IVF without the vast majority of the drugs - no downregging, no stimming, just a trigger shot and progesterone support. It works with the one egg you produce yourself, so it's cheaper per cycle (no drugs to buy) but if that one egg is a dud, that's it for that cycle. I was stunned that we got a BFP first time. The current plan is two more natural cycles and then maybe one with mild stimulation if they don't work.

EuroShaggleton Sat 13-Apr-13 16:29:21

X-posts. And my mistake - same city, different clinic!

buzzybee123 Sat 13-Apr-13 16:42:06

euro very similar names wink

MotorcycleMama Sat 13-Apr-13 16:48:24

Buzzy and cuckoo We had a Spanish clinic recommended to us, but I couldn't imagine trying to manage clinic appointments abroad and working at the same time. I also worried about possible language barrier problems. I must be missing a trick though, as you and others just seem to take it in your stride.
Thanks for sharing your positive thoughts cuckoo - maybe 60% is realistic, but it doesn't seem to match the HFEA figures. Fingers crossed!
Yes, buzzy, back to housework..
Good luck euro - you probably need a bit of time to recover from your recent mc, then back to it next month - fingers crossed!!

Nokkie73 Sat 13-Apr-13 17:02:05

motor wow. Good for you. It sounds as though you have made the right choice for you. you can use, abuse or just muse on here, we're always around to listen, give advice or just swear randomly (me, usually). I am also so sorry about your MC. It's tough. I am just trying to get back to the gym (which is a terrible use of the English language, I AM going to the gym), lose the fucking weight I have put on by shovelling nuts (to help with implantation and for protein) down my gob and scoop my brain up and mould it back into something remotely useful. I am doing reflexology, acupuncture, knocking back supplements like some sort of drugs fiend and not going back to my bad wine'n'smoking ways ! It's funny but my confidence has also taken a bit of a hit after all this, so I am trying to re-introduce myself back into the wild (I.e., the real world) and see people. I am so anxious about them asking me how I feel (I don't fucking know, next daft question) or being too mushy (I am sick of crying so please don't set me off). Likewise, I am also anxious about people trying to 'understand' (unless you have experience of it, you cannot so please don't bother. If you say anything else I may punch you in the head). I know that I am asking a lot of people by expecting them to get the pitch right but until they do, I'll stick to going home and getting my head right, ta.

Anyway, rant over.

cuckoo come on in and pull up a chair ! Wow for you too - DE's can be difficult for some to come to terms with but sounds as though you have it cracked. My other half has also failed to pack-in smoking but he has super perfect sperm so it doesn't matter so much for him. The fucker. These boards are brilliant for supporting you though this fucking mental process so offload whenever you have to. They helped me such a lot.

buzz HOLA !

Noks xx

buzzybee123 Sat 13-Apr-13 17:28:58

motor they all seem to speak pretty good English that I can understand

MotorcycleMama Sat 13-Apr-13 17:47:41

nokkie I really feel for you. I only told my closest friends about getting pregnant and the mc as I was so embarrassed at having gotten pregnant by an ex and rubbish boyfriend. Even then, some people said things that hurt badly even though unintentionally, and it took me a long time to forgive. You cry as much as you need to! The rest of the world will just have to deal with it. I got to the point of not even trying to hide it cos it was so so frequent. It's part of your legitimate grief for your loss. I found great relief in talking to people who had gone through the same thing. You must just look after yourself. It will get easier, but it is very tough now I know.

CuckooBird Sat 13-Apr-13 17:59:16

Thank you, ladies for the welcome. Blooming heck, Buzzy, we might've bumped into one another over in Brno! I have to say I have been absurdly cavalier in the preparation and research of overseas IVF. I read so, so much about others' experiences of IVF on here, however, and am not prepared to spend ridiculous amounts of cash on sperm fragmentation tests, immumes, IUI (does this process ever fucking work??) and nutritionists. I haven't the time or the inclination to fuck about, I'm afraid. I acknowledge it would be lovely to use my own eggs but it's too much of a gamble (even though I'm awaiting results of my AMH test, which I am expecting to be very good for my age). I think, since the miscarriage, I have lost all faith in my body and I am more than happy to hand over the responsibility of fertility to a lovely young donor.

Buzzy, I am not cross at Mum; I defy her to not be a jibbering, dribbling mess when she is holding her twin grandsons in her arms <confident>

CuckooBird Sat 13-Apr-13 18:01:01

Buzzy, what percentage success rate have Reprofit given you for our age group?

Nokkie73 Sat 13-Apr-13 18:03:21

motor thanks. I just find my patience with people quite low sometimes ! I just don't want to be known as the friend who couldn't.....you know, couldn't keep a baby or couldn't succeed at IVF. It's completely irrational I know (and most of it is in my own head) but it will get better with time. I don't like being too down for too long either so one way or another, I'll get myself a sprog (or two !) or be at peace with my fate, whatever that may be.

Anyway, enough about me. Are you getting enough support in the real world ? Have you told many people what you're doing ?

MotorcycleMama Sat 13-Apr-13 18:22:53

nokkie Yes, now I am respectfully married and legitimately having sex, I can be fairly open! Again, I have only told close friends and family, but that is my way. I thought that some would be cautious or sceptical about DE, but actually, even my catholic MIL is supportive and positive! I'm terrified though - not of the process, but the potential for failure and more grief. I suffered so badly last time it makes me very nervous. Still, I try to stay positive, and not make it the most important thing in the world (though deep down we all know it is, don't we?!)

putthecrispsDOWN Sat 13-Apr-13 18:58:06

Hi ladies...still taking it one step at a time here but had more fab news today...all 7eggs were mature (bodes well for any future cycles) and 4 fertilised overnight. 4 I tell you!! Which means they want us to go to blastocyst stage (although will monitor over next few days). So very much more than we had hoped for at this stage considering the AMH and damage. We are made up...I know we're not out of the woods yet by a long stretch but IMO you have to celebrate the little things as IVF can be a bit of a sod otherwise.

Survived DDs party today, got up at 6 to make gingerbread men and carrot cake, couldn't sleep anyway for wondering what had become of the magnificent seven (now the fantastic four of course). We are shattered but full of lovely energy after a madcap day!

Welcome motorcycle and cuckoo. My story is a little different to yours ...I am 31, have 1 ivf miracle already; first cycle resulted in twins but sadly I lost my other daughter at 22wks..Dd is 3 tomorrow! 1 failed cycle since plus another where I failed to down reg, now waiting for embryo transfer on Wednesday (fingers xd). So far I've never considered DE but the way I see it, some people are just parents waiting for children and there is more than one way to resolve that. I truly hope everything goes well for you both, welcome to the roller coaster! Everyone here has been very lovely to me and the support really helps.

Speak soon, Crisps x

putthecrispsDOWN Sat 13-Apr-13 19:02:20

Ps Noks I am there with you with the IVF weight gain. Bloody protein shakes and brazil nuts agogo, Ffs. Although it clearly doesnt help that I convinced myself that McDonalds milkshakes were a good source of protein, am a greedy fuckwit sometimes.grin

buzzybee123 Sat 13-Apr-13 19:46:56

crisps well done on the awesome foursome grin

Cuckoo I think it is 53 % not really sure

EuroShaggleton Sat 13-Apr-13 20:03:08

Woo hoo crisps. Good luck to the fantastic 4!

twinklestar2 Sat 13-Apr-13 22:32:09

woo hoo crisps, fab news!#

welcome to motor and cuckoo, I wish you both all the luck in the world.

norks - I feel sad when I read your post. I know what you mean. I hate being the only person in the world (it feels like) who can't get pregnant, my confidence has been knocked by trying the hardest I've ever tried for anything and failing every month (why can't I DO THIS?) and knowing that everyone's wondering why I'm not pregnant yet as I've been married two years. Like cuckoo says about killing herself, I really don't know how I've coped this long. Sometimes I feel like throwing myself off a cliff but then I'll definitely never be a mother.

CuckooBird Sat 13-Apr-13 22:52:24

Aw, motorcycle, miscarriage is an utter head-fuck and something I am not sure I could cope with again. But, of, course, we do cope - and these pages are testament to the bravery and resolve of women who, quite simply, want to be mothers. It's a horrid shame that there is such a high price to pay for this kind of determination when things don't work out. I hope and pray we get our babies in the end.

mama & buzzy, do you ever feel like you're using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut by opting for DE? I do but I don't care

crisps I have read all about your lovely daughters' conception and the tragic loss of one of them and I so hope your prayers are answered in the next twentyish days. Congrats on the four embies; absolutely smashing smile

buzzy, I bloody love these statistics. Basically there is more chance of this working than not..and that's good enough for me smile

Thanks for the kind welcome, twinkly.

MotorcycleMama Sun 14-Apr-13 10:57:32

Very exciting developments crisps - fingers crossed for next week. It must be hard to concentrate on anything else, but I guess having a young child to care for must mean you don't have too much time to contemplate!
Thanks for the kind welcome twinkle.
cuckoo in a word, no, I feel that going for the option which is most likely to succeed is best for me, rather than trying things that have less chance of being successful. I don't want to drag this all out for years, for the sake of my mental health and my relationship with my husband. It has already dominated for 2 years. If DE doesn't work, and I'm willing to give it 2 goes, then I'll get on with life without children. That's a scary prospect, but so is ruining my relationship and refusing to give up when I should. How about you?

CuckooBird Sun 14-Apr-13 11:21:01

Motorcycle, you say it so much more eloquently than me; that is exactly how I feel. The 'sledgehammer cracking a walnut' comment really described how I feel having not tried any other form of assisted conception; it all feels so sudden: we only decided on DE last week and I'm awaiting delivery of my drugs already! I salute those women who have had the cash the tenacity and courage to try attempt after attempt and test after test - I just couldn't do it and I, like you, will give up after this intervention. I feel happy knowing this nightmare won't go on for years.

CuckooBird Sun 14-Apr-13 11:23:50

crisps, how are the lovely embryos? smile

MotorcycleMama Sun 14-Apr-13 11:27:00

Well then cuckoo it had better bloody work then, hadn't it!! You are making faster progress than me. They need to scan my uterus again as the last ones were a bit unclear as to whether there might be a problem or not. How did you get on with the choosing characteristics of the donor? Which drugs are you taking? I've started taking aspirin, and will probably start taking the pill after nurse appt next week. I also take some pregnacare conception vitamins.
Off for a walk now with DH to make the most of the sunshine..

EuroShaggleton Sun 14-Apr-13 11:29:03

I think it's really helpful to set some sort of limit.

I needed to work through AC in baby steps. It meant a lot to me (although I can't explain why) to get there naturally, so I tried Letrozole, immune threapy + natural ttc and IUI before getting to IVF.

We originally said we would do 3 natural IVFs in 6 months and then take stock. Having got a BFP on our first go, I think we will find it really difficult to stop if the next two don't work. We are contemplating one mild round after the next two natural rounds, so maybe 4 goes and that is it.

CuckooBird Sun 14-Apr-13 11:56:14

Oh, motorcycle, I found The Choosing Of The Donor incredibly wrong. I worried about developing God delusions and stuff. Then I became anxious that I was replicating Hitler's utopia. The husband and I have brown eyes and brown hair; he is 6'5" and a beautiful stick and I'm 5'6" and the high end of normal BMI. In order to fend off 'ooh, your baby looks fuck-all like you two' comments I've opted for brown eyes. Is it wrong to not want a cerebrally-challenged fat fuck as a donor? I've asked for a uni graduate under 10st hmm With regards to her interests and hobbies I couldn't answer; so much of that stuff is learned behaviour, I think.

What I have insisted on is that she is under 28 yrs of age and that she has proven fertility; either she has her own kiddies or her eggs have already produced live babies.

Mock cycle drugs: Cyclo-Progynova (HRT) and Cyclogest (progesterone capsules for gob or snatch). The clinic is insisting on a smear test before I fly over, despie my only having one Christmas 2011. When I called my GP surgery Pol Pot the manager hectored me about 'unnecessary' smears <apoplectic>

What flavour of donor have you bought, motorcycle?

CuckooBird Sun 14-Apr-13 11:58:09

Mama (can I call you this or not?) <bone idle> I'm also rattling around on royal jelly, vit D, a multi-vit, folic acid, omega 3 fish oil and antidepressants

buzzybee123 Sun 14-Apr-13 14:06:18

afternoon ladies

crisps any news smile

euro I like you needed to work through the whole process of AC, I'm glad I tried the other stuff before going for the big guns, for me it was worth trying, I don't want to look back with regret on any of this. Its a journey I have chosen to take so need to make the best of it.

I can't say I relate to the sledge hammer comment personally, I look at it as a option and good one. (I have grieved and made peace with myself that any child I have will not have my DNA and I am happy and comfortable with that decision).Its the option with the maximum chance of working so makes the most sense especially as I have to pay for it as I don't get anything from the joyous NHS postcode lottery can't even get an xray on my foot in my area despite paying 11% of my wage to them wink I also didn't mind 'choosing the donor' at the end of the day this is a business transaction for us, we are paying for services, she is not being exploited or doing me a favour and she clearly doesn't seem to mind selling her eggs and knowing that there are little mini donors all over the world.

cuckoo it sounds like you get to chose more about your donor, I think for us blood type obviously is important, eye colour, height and education. I don't really think it matters as you never know what part of their genes will be dominant, plus there is no guarantee you'll actually get what you ask for as it is all anonymous overseas. We found the education thing interesting as realistically that won't really have a bearing on anything, especially when I think of some of the uni qualified people I have worked with over the years grin grin

motor how much information do you get about your donor as it is different here in the UK?? I thought they could trace the donor here??

noks It is hard, I can relate to wanting people to get the pitch right, I was amazed at some of the things said to me when I miscarried. You need to take time to look after yourself

well the sun is shining and I should get off and do stuff, before my dr haze makes me forget again..............

CuckooBird Sun 14-Apr-13 14:36:31

buzzy, I forgot to add that we, too, have insisted on the same blood type, for obvious reasons. I hope you don't think I am denigrating those of you who have come to DE IVF after a long journey involving other interventions. If money was no issue I would, of course, have tried IVF with my own eggs first (who wouldn't?) but I certainly wouldn't have gone down the IUI route; it is famously pointless for the majority of women, I think. My worst fear in all this is that years would go by, tens of thousands of pounds would be spent and we still may not get our baby. I am comforted knowing that, with the money we have, we are opening ourselves up to the very best opportunity of having a baby.

CuckooBird Sun 14-Apr-13 14:38:20

buzzy, you are 'stabbing', am I right? Stabbing with what? Are you on your mock cycle?

buzzybee123 Sun 14-Apr-13 15:10:20

No mock cycle at Reprofit,I started down regging with decappetyl 3mg to get my cycle into line with hers, it was just a one off jab with a mother of a needle it was an orange one, the nurse where I worked offered me a more suitable blue sized one but I decided to use what I was given, its two vials that you have to mix then jab with, I did it in my stomach but really it should be your arse or leg. I should have 'a bleed' soon then onto estrogen from the 22nd April, EC is on the 6th May.

Everyone is different cuckoo I only did one IUI with SO, I wasn't ready to go straight for IVF, I have had a few 'freak outs' about it but feel much calmer about it now, I really just want to get on with it now, I know at the end of this year I will either be pregnant or adopting, it is nice to know that there is an end of the line soonish. We don't have loads of money so this will be our one shot at it, hoping for twins obviously or some frosties to try again with wink time will tell for us all

CuckooBird Sun 14-Apr-13 17:43:09

buzzy, the downregging is the mock cycle, I think. I start my HRT drugs five days into my next period and that lasts for 21 days. I then begin the transfer cycle, which I assume is all the oestrogen and stuff?

Does Reprofit guarantee two five-day blastos on the day of transfer? Are you guaranteed frosties?

MotorcycleMama Sun 14-Apr-13 18:08:54

euro I think you are right, you have to draw a line somewhere, but the goalposts do seem to change don't they? I imagine that near-successes make it almost impossible to stop. I had originally said that I would not pursue fertility treatment at all, and now look where I am!! I just hope that I can be strong and draw a line at a sensible point.
cuckoo I already feel that I am playing God by going through this whole process - really I should just accept that I am 41 and too old to have kids! I'm really nervous about choosing a donor. I hope that their fertility is proven, and I just wonder whether the facts about their medical history and education etc are verified by the clinics. I guess that I only care about not looking too different from me (though I don't look much like my parents) and some evidence of a reasonable IQ would be good.
motor or mama is just fine - I hope one day I'll be called mama for real!
Let me know how you get on with the drugs.

buzzybee123 Sun 14-Apr-13 19:13:46

cuckoo They are not calling this a mock cycle, this to me is the cycle, I have to set my body to hers but maybe different. I'm not sure if any clinic can guarantee two 5 day blastos and frosties as it will depend on the sperm as well so no they haven't promised me anything, I haven't asked either

EuroShaggleton Sun 14-Apr-13 19:26:54

Motor I also said I would never pursue fertility treatment. But I found it too difficult to give up on Project Baby once I had started!

You are not too old - plenty of women have babies well into their 40s and always have done. The only difference is that in the past it was rare to be having a first baby then!

cuckoo I don't think you are denigrating my choices at all. Everyone has to find their own way. I found the whole idea of intervention particularly difficult because of my unexplainedness, I think. Having agressive treatment when on paper at least we should both be fertile was something I found very difficult to accept. In no other area of medicine would a dr say "we have no idea what's wrong with you, but tell you what - hand over a few thousand, take some drugs with lots of side effects, have a GA and minor surgery and we'll see if that helps".

CuckooBird Sun 14-Apr-13 20:37:00

buzzy, you are right, of course, how can they guarantee a certain number of embryos? The mind boggles and I really need to get my head out of the clouds I think. I was told this by the ladies on the FF ReproG forum and I have simply believed them <naive> Perhaps they are using donor sperm? Even so, I can't see how anything as delicate as five day blastos can be 'guaranteed'. I now know that frosties are only 'guaranteed' when using the clinic's donor sperm; even then...how so?

euro, your last post makes loads of sense. What really upset me was when my consultant said he refused to attempt to repair my blocked tube because 'at your age it is more likely to be a problem with your eggs' - despite my getting up the duff easily last year. I've only been 'infertile' since my erpc and now, all of a sudden, I'm flying to a foreign country for DE IVF sad

putthecrispsDOWN Sun 14-Apr-13 21:10:03

Hello lovelies...no news today as they don't check them on day 2 if going to blastocyst...embryologist said it isn't good to keep taking them in and out of, um, wherever they are?!?! So am waiting for a phone call tomorrow to see how things are going. Back to work tomorrow to tell them I'm going to be off on the Wednesday...they'll be thrilled to have yet another excuse not to promote me...they seem to think that having IVF is tantamount to being pregnant, ha, if only

Will check in tomorrow and do personals then, much love to all X

MotorcycleMama Sun 14-Apr-13 22:26:11

crisps we are all waiting and hoping and praying for you. I'm so pleased your sense of humour is intact! Good luck!

twinklestar2 Sun 14-Apr-13 23:12:01

good luck crisps, I have my fingers crossed for you.

EuroShaggleton Mon 15-Apr-13 13:21:57

Good luck crisps!

chummy1 Mon 15-Apr-13 13:48:11

Hello Everyone, We have our first appointment at the ARGC this Friday and I am nervous! No idea what to expect!!! Has anyone else on here been to this clinic? what happens on your first appointment??? travelling (4.5 hours to get to London) so plenty of time to let my nerves build and build!!! lol!!!

Lovely to see that one of the first messages above is from a argc lady (Karbea) ....

chummy1 Mon 15-Apr-13 13:50:44

Motor... I am 41 too and been right around the 'too old to have kids' wheel many times! ....... then decided, to hell with it, i want to be a mummy!!!

EuroShaggleton Mon 15-Apr-13 14:20:07

Hi chummy. Karbea started this little club 2 threads ago. I know of another regular in conception who recently cycled with ARGC but I don't think she is on this thread.

That's quite some journey! Will you stay down here for your cycle? I know they do a LOT of monitoring.

I have a follow up appointment at my clinic to discuss my next cycle on Thursday. I am past being nervous now!

ScarlettInSpace Mon 15-Apr-13 14:24:46

Hiya everyone!

I am awol at the mo but have tentatively joined an IUI thread in anticipation of the biggest waste of my time since I worked at Phones4U for 6 months grin

Just had to share this gem I found on ff not still obsessively googling abnormal embryos, honest

Fertilisation: Of my 5 eggs only 3 fertilised and of those 2 were grade 1 8 cell on day 3, the 3rd was not usable as it went from 3 cells to 14 cells in an hour. The embryologist suggested it had a genetic defect. DH thought it may have had super powers

EuroShaggleton Mon 15-Apr-13 15:22:33

Heh. That's briliant.

twinklestar2 Mon 15-Apr-13 17:21:07

Welcome chummy!

MotorcycleMama Mon 15-Apr-13 18:18:24

GP agreed to do the blood screening which has saved us £250. It's only a drop in the ocean when you compare the full cost of treatment, but every little helps!

buzzybee123 Mon 15-Apr-13 20:18:35

crisp how is it going???

chummy welcome

motor that is good news, and yes every little bit does help

scarlett when are you having IUI??

hello to everyone else smile

putthecrispsDOWN Mon 15-Apr-13 20:36:18

Hi all

It is going fabulously at the moment...the awesome foursome are all still here, embryologist says that they are all progressing as we want them to (8cells at the moment) and are good quality. Over the moon as we really didn't expect to still have all four. Now have to wait until Wed (transfer deadline day!) to see how many make it to blast, but still have fingers crossed. Apparently that number at this stage puts me well in the range of normal in your face endometriosis!

Trying to be realistic but hopeful without getting too excited (I vetoed DH's wish for our own five a side team)

Just trying to relax while applying for a promotion and looking after a hyperactive Dd and wait until Wed. Does anyone know what I should be eating at this stage? Protein shakes and progesterone have made me look about six months pregnant so far, which is not so cool.

chummy welcome, I don't have any experience of that clinic but I would ask for timelines, success rates for people in your position(age, AMH if you know it, previous history) and whether they are involved with any new types of treatment or trials (my clinic are doing trials with DHEA, endometrial scratch etc which IMO shows they are quite progressive, which I like).

scarlett DS best friend is an IUI miracle so do a Bon Jovi and keep the faith!

motor that's ace, it's lovely to have a supportive GP mine is Percy and thinks endometriosis and infertility is all a myth

Euro good luck for Thursday. I always feel more positive when I have a plan so hope it goes well.

Thanks everyone else for the good vibes and well wishes, the petri dish is very responsive it seems so keep sending them along!

putthecrispsDOWN Mon 15-Apr-13 20:37:08

...my GP is pervy, not Percy. Stupid iPad and fat crisp shovelling fingers

MotorcycleMama Mon 15-Apr-13 20:59:38

crisps that is fantastic news! How exciting!! And the predictive text error was hilarious.
Hi, and welcome chubby. Best of luck with your endeavours. Becoming a mummy doesn't feel like it should be too much to ask, but sometimes it seems like asking the impossible, doesn't it?

MotorcycleMama Mon 15-Apr-13 21:11:23

Sincere apologies chummy , not chubby!! No offence meant. blush

buzzybee123 Mon 15-Apr-13 22:04:17

crisps that is great news smile

keepitgoing Tue 16-Apr-13 08:36:20

Ooh well done crisps!! That sounds brilliant.

euro good luck for Thursday. A plan is always good. I really hope it works out again for you soon.

Just wanted to say hi, and I'm thinking of you all.

keepitgoing Tue 16-Apr-13 08:37:12

Urgh, euro, I mean you get a bfp but it sticks. Sorry. Foot in mouth disease.

keepitgoing Tue 16-Apr-13 11:39:10

Oh hi chummy good to see you here and good luck for Friday. They're meant to be brill. I'd check on the monitoring schedule they expect if you live far away.

twinklestar2 Tue 16-Apr-13 14:30:51

That's fab new crisps!

Good luck for Thursday euro.

EuroShaggleton Tue 16-Apr-13 15:52:36

No problem keep. Hopefully I won't need luck for Thursday (but thanks to you and others for the good vibes anyway). All I want is an answer to the question "can we go again after 2 periods post-mc". We tried to get an answer over the phone but got nowhere so ended up making the appointment!

I'm glad the 4some are still going well crisps When is ET?

keepitgoing Tue 16-Apr-13 15:56:05

Hmm. 'Yes, you can euro. £75 please'....

EuroShaggleton Tue 16-Apr-13 16:21:46

£75. Double that I expect. Just to get the answer to one bloody question!

chummy1 Tue 16-Apr-13 21:45:17

Hi Everyone, Thank you for all the good wishes for Friday. Cannot believe it has come to it but IVF here we come!!! aarrrggghhh! hey ho....

Motor - I giggled! v funny and actually true!! lol! i was skinny skinny until about 12 months ago... just thrown everything at trying to gave that elusive BFP!

Re the kind comments about the high level of monitoring required, there is a ARGC clinic that will undertake this near a friends house (in Hampshire) which means i can stay there for the two weeks of monitoring (if we get this far) .... has anyone been thru the Argc on here?? I just don't know what to expect!?!?

putthecrispsDOWN Tue 16-Apr-13 22:42:47

Off to see the wizard tomorrow for ET...nervous but excited! Just want to know we still have some of the awesome foursome left. Having acupuncture in the morning which will chill me out nicely.

Will update tmw evening...having sedation for ET as I have wonky insides as well as all the other complications....

motorcycle being a mother is not too much to ask. Keep the faith!!

MotorcycleMama Tue 16-Apr-13 23:06:56

Best of luck crisps - look forward to hearing how you got on. Fingers crossed!!!

Nokkie73 Tue 16-Apr-13 23:07:56

crisps just wanted to wish you all the very best for tomorrow. You have done brilliantly so far. I will be keeping my fingers and toes crossed for the fabulous four. We can name them, John, Paul, George and Ringo. grin.

chummy hello ! Welcome aboard the IVF sunshine bus.

Waves at everyone else.


scarlett love the phones4u comment !

twinklestar2 Tue 16-Apr-13 23:11:48

Best of luck crisps with 'The Beatles'!

MotorcycleMama Tue 16-Apr-13 23:17:23

I have a dilemma at the moment. DH has become pretty low in mood as he fears losing his freedom and money if we are actually successful in having a child. Ultimately, he'd rather not have kids, even though we got married on the basis that he was up for it. He feels pretty terrible about this, so it is difficult to be cross. So hard to know how to tackle this. Putting this on hold isn't sensible, as it isn't going to get any easier. Deciding to put a stop to it would just leave me terribly resentful and unhappy for the rest of our married life. On the other hand, it doesn't feel right to continue with something that he doesn't want. Have any of you had any experience of this? I feel a bit lost confused.

Nokkie73 Tue 16-Apr-13 23:29:32

motor you poor thing. Sometimes the bloke may feel a bit redundant or just out of their depth with all of this ivf malarkey. I know it sounds blindingly obvious, but have you had proper chats with him about how he feels and about how you feel ? I know that I have bottled stuff up with 'I'm indoors and when we finally do speak about it, everything comes out wrong or I just get upset or angry. I guess that a lot of this process is so driven by the female that we almost don't stop to ask how the bloke feels and when we do, the answer isn't always what we want to hear. Perhaps he's just scared about it not working and seeing you upset and the impact that may have on your relationship, even though he hasn't exactly expressed it as such. Obviously I don't know how you two communicate but what I have realised is that sometimes feelings get lost in translation. Don't give up as you may be able to sort this out. Will it help if he has a bit of counselling ? X

MotorcycleMama Tue 16-Apr-13 23:57:50

Thanks for the rapid support nokkie ! We've talked this through a couple of times, and we just get to the point where there is nothing left to say. We both acknowledge that there would be real problems for our marriage if we just put a stop to the baby making endeavours. If we can't have kids despite pursuing opportunities, I'll live with it, but I just don't think I could just stop it as we are now. I would be resentful to say the least. His happiness means a lot to me, and mine to him, which I guess is a good foundation for a marriage. The thing is, I have a firm belief that having a family would actually make him very happy. Trouble is, I can't vouch for that! I have suggested counselling, or even talking to his mates who have children, but you know what men are like!
I think that you may be right about him being scared about the effects if it all went wrong though.
I think I just have to keep on, and just talk to you ladies rather than him about it all the time!

Nokkie73 Wed 17-Apr-13 00:14:09

motor you are more than welcome ! I guess because you're actually doing something about it now, reality has set in and it has all become so real to him. I had terrible trouble getting mine to engage and talk about ivf when we were waiting for our NHS treatment that never was. I did speak to a male friend of mine who went through ivf and he said that until it actually happens, blokes just don't engage. They're not so good at talking about it 'in the abstract' as it were and will only get properly involved when it's actually happening. A bloke's psychology is something to behold at times ! Sometimes they don't like change and they get scared about it. By the same token, if it's so fundamental to you then you can't give-up. I do hope things settle down for you though. You know where we are if you need to chat things through.

Noks x

buzzybee123 Wed 17-Apr-13 09:46:13

hi motor i'm here for a hand squeeze, I agree with what noks I think he probably is scared about it all and maybe in his funny way is trying to protect you from both it all especially if he is wottied it won't work, men are funny creatures to work out, sometimes men take a bit longer to process things, big hugs x

EuroShaggleton Wed 17-Apr-13 11:07:39

I agree - he probably is just scared for you both. Hand squeeze.

chummy1 Wed 17-Apr-13 11:34:31

Motor I am jumping in here as I have a friend who went through a similar experience (in fact, identical). The pregnancy was full of ups and downs as her DH felt exactly as your husband does now, however their DD is now 2 and Daddy dotes on her and happily spends everything that they can afford on her!) I think this is often the way...... the thought of a baby versus your own little DD/DS looking at you seems to be very different! Still very difficult for my you now (as it was for my friend now) and she ribs her DH about it now!!!

putthecrispsDOWN Wed 17-Apr-13 16:04:21

Hi lovelies

Good day today...all four had made it to today, but one had developed some of Scarlett's superpowers wink and another was not high quality enough to freeze. Had the remaining two replaced and am now back home with my fingers crossed. Have two wait two weeks for OTD there is no bloody way I could last that long

motor hugs for you, hope everything works out well
Euro best wishes for tomorrow, hope you get the answers you need!
Thanks twinkle and noks and buzzy and everyone else for the well wishes X

buzzybee123 Wed 17-Apr-13 17:38:26

oooh crisps very exciting, plan nice things over the next two weeks fingers are crossed for you

MotorcycleMama Wed 17-Apr-13 17:54:38

buzzy euro crisps chummy Thanks so much for the support. I have no doubt that if we are successful, DH will adore his offspring. Just hope I can keep him on board enough to keep going through the process and not feel too alone. My saline infusion sonogram came back with nothing abnormal detected today, and only moderate pain and lack of dignity blush so that is great. One step closer.
crisps that is fantastic news!! You must be delighted, and rightly so.

buzzybee123 Wed 17-Apr-13 18:05:30

motor thats good news, dignity ha I did used have that but not anymore grin Its a long hard process that will have its ups and downs, I know my husband worries about the actual pregnancy and how my body will cope etc, I know he thinks about it a lot too and has said he doesn't want me to put myself at risk. Its all just a very scary time.

Well I am having my 'bleed' now should have started on Monday but I don';t think it matters, I feel like shit today, not sure if this is because the 'bleed' is alot heavier than my normal AF, stress or bloody annoying patients at work today. I thought I would feel better as time went on, well I have some reports to finish so better get cracking

waves to everyone else smile

MotorcycleMama Wed 17-Apr-13 20:08:07

'Scuse my ignorance buzzy but what is the 'bleed' confused? Obviously not just AF.. Hope it is not too much of an ordeal.

EuroShaggleton Wed 17-Apr-13 20:29:49

Sorry to hear you are feelin rubbish soon. What's the next step? Different drugs? I feel like by this point I know a reasonable amount about IVF and the different protocols, but I have no idea how DE IVF differs.

motor that's good news about the sonogram.

crisps glad to hear you have two good embies on board. When is test date?

Dignity. Hmm, sounds vaguely familiar. I think I remember having some in the distant past, before half of London peered up my fanjo....

EuroShaggleton Wed 17-Apr-13 20:33:00

Soon? That was supposed to be buzz! Not sure what happened there.

buzzybee123 Wed 17-Apr-13 21:09:05

motor yes it basically AF, they just refer to it as a 'bleed' not your period, the joy of cultural difference although usually my periods have been 24-48 hours

my next step is to start taking estrogen from Monday, I honestly can't function or focus right now sad

MotorcycleMama Wed 17-Apr-13 21:30:44

Gosh, buzzy, in some ways I am glad the the whole reality and process of this business only reveals itself bit by bit! I refused to take the pill anymore at the age of 30 as I hated messing about with my hormones - now look what I'm letting myself in for! Hope you are feeling a bit better soon. I'm enjoying a large red wine to block out the emotional upheavals with DH and the pain and indignity of today's scan. Any excuse wink.

buzzybee123 Wed 17-Apr-13 21:35:03

motor sounds like a good plan, sadly I have no booze in the house right now shock

EuroShaggleton Wed 17-Apr-13 21:35:05

buzz I was like that. Unable to concentrate, depressed and anxious. Injecting myself each night knowing it was going to make me feel worse was really, really hard. It's why I am doing natural now. I just couldn't hack it. Scarlett had a bad experience too. <Hand holds>

buzzybee123 Wed 17-Apr-13 21:54:18

euro I remember when you were DR, I have only had one injection, it really does make me feel sick, sadly this is my only choice for deivf, I could give up

MotorcycleMama Wed 17-Apr-13 22:21:10

Hang on in there buzzy Hormones can play havoc, as we all know. We're right there with you.

EuroShaggleton Wed 17-Apr-13 22:46:22

Hang on in there - you've just got to get through to Monday. Adding oestogen into the mix should help. x

ScarlettInSpace Thu 18-Apr-13 10:34:30

buzzy I feel your pain, the oestrogen will make a difference, try to think of it in terms of a few days out of your whole life to try and make it feel a bit smaller if that helps.

crisps it's always nice to hear of any AC miracle, expecially IUI as the odds seem so small really - although probably better than the odds the first twunty consultant gave me for IVF ["less than 10%, don't expect to get to EC, do the free NHS go but don't waste money doing IVF with your own eggs." Twat]

Well my body has fallen in line with something thankfully, CD1 has to fall Fri-Sun [love the flexibility of the NHS hmm ] and I have started with some beautifully ummmm dirty CM [for want of a better word grin ] which means it is imminent in the next 2-4 days. Whoop.

Can't remember if I told you guys, after my wobble a couple of weeks ago OH & I have decided to go ahead with the IUI from this month as planned but not to modify our lifestyle or plans basically I can still drink wine so it doesn't take over, it basically has to fit in.

Then we will try mild IVF in the Autumn. If that doesn't work we'll try a Natural next spring, then I think I'll officially give up and get another puppy.

I am applying for new jobs too, I've put too much on hold for this shit!

putthecrispsDOWN Thu 18-Apr-13 11:12:00

Good for you Scarlett. Glad your body is falling in line, it's nice when they behave for once!! Sounds like a plan. Very important to have a life alongside AC, we feel like we've lost a lot of time waiting for/doing/recovering from IVF and operations over the past few years. In fact I have a two day long job interview at the start of next week...but I'd rather be trying than not (it's a long shot but would be a huge promotion).

EuroShaggleton Thu 18-Apr-13 14:01:42

That's rather unhelpfully rigid, scarlett but I'm glad your body is playing along.

crisps how are you feeling?

putthecrispsDOWN Thu 18-Apr-13 14:19:11

To be frank, I'm doing my own head in! Supposedly at home to rest but very bored, have tidied wardrobes and watched rubbish tv but am not good at sitting still! Getting a few twinges and aches and shooting pains which seems right for this stage but trying not to get my hopes up as had AF pains on my unsuccessful cycle. Off until Monday and then have huge two day long interview which will take my mind off things nicely! Going to stick my head in a book for a bit and see how that helps.

Have you been to see the clinic yet Euro, anything to report?

EuroShaggleton Thu 18-Apr-13 14:51:29

The appointment was a joke. Mr euro was two minutes late and didn't even make it into the room. I sat down, asked if I could start next cycle (told her we had tried to ask on the phone but couldn't get an answer). She said yes and that was it! Luckily she didn't charge us for that.

putthecrispsDOWN Thu 18-Apr-13 15:01:16

Oh bless you Euro how frustrating! In my experience my clinic have always been fab but sometimes I don't think they realise how stressful even appointments can be....for ET we were there a good 20 minutes before finding out if we had any embryos left. Felt like standing up and shouting "will somebody PLEASE just tell me if we have any Sodding EMBRYOS LEFT FFS!" but was trying to be all calm and earth motherly and lovely blush

Very very pleased that you got the go ahead though. Now everything is back in your control and you can make decisions about what you do and when. If they seemed like that was very normal and that previous events wouldn't have an impact then that sounds positive to me!

putthecrispsDOWN Thu 18-Apr-13 15:04:41

scarlett have just scrolled up and seen your post about what the clinic said about ivf...it doesn't sound like you got a very positive approach there. Are you happy to carry on with the clinic? I love the staff at mine...even when I went in for EC about four different nurses who I'd seen just a handful of times 'popped in' to give me a hug and a 'well done' on the egg front...makes a huge deal to my positivity when the clinic is supportive. Hope you told twunty doc where to get off, they should know better.

keepitgoing Thu 18-Apr-13 15:54:51

Argh euro, I'm pleased at the answer, but ffs its not like we all love trekking to and waiting at clinics...

crisps, I think cramps are good... Keep busy, maybe go for a walk? (Gentle)

Scarlett wtf about af starting on those days. Some people might have a 28 (or 35) day cycle and never get seen. That is quite ridiculous, but yay for your body falling in line smile

EuroShaggleton Thu 18-Apr-13 16:12:48

Indeed keep. At my and Mr euro's combined chargeout rates, that little go around probably cost about a grand... But we know what the plan is now, and that always helps me. I like to have a plan. smile

crisps they would have been happy for us to go ahead this cycle if we wanted, but we can't as I am away over what would be EC time. I'm glad they were not difficult about it.

How stressful to be kept waiting without any news! I found that I "missed" my emby. I really didn't like it being in a petri dish on the other side of London.

putthecrispsDOWN Thu 18-Apr-13 17:05:22

Euro I totally get it...I'm lucky in that I don't really think of them as 'babies' until a BFP, but when my embies are 20 miles away from me it's the only time it feels a bit odd and unnatural for me. Having a cycle off will give you a nice break to prepare for the next one, I feel much more positive this time after having a bit of a 'run up'..and you can have the odd wine for a bit too!

buzzybee123 Fri 19-Apr-13 18:45:09

evening ladies,

euro that a bit crap of the clinic, I am always amazed at how quickly they could make decisions, at least she didn't have the cheek to charge you.

scarlett good job your body is stepping into line with the totally inflexible NHS hmm

crisps hows it all going

I have again been stupidly busy hmm with fricking annoyingly stubborn old people who will not do as they are told with patients who think they know best, i'm shattered but now have lots of time in lieu and the sun is shining grin

waves to motor and cuckoo and anyone else

tametortie Sun 21-Apr-13 10:49:41

Can I join you? I have been lurking for a while smile

I am a long term TTC'er (6 years sad ) and am currently downregging for a 3rd cycle.
Our 2 previous cycles were disasters (failed fertilisation and slow growing embies) which has left his wondering if we will ever acheive a genetic pg together. But we are giving it another go at a different clinic with EVERYTHING thrown in- DHEA, scratch, pred, fairy spells (!), prayer cards, supplements, acupuncture- just to see if we really are out of the running with my eggs/his sperm.

I am very nervy and anxious so bear with my meltdowns. grin

I've been downregging for 10 days now and waiting for the bleed but no sign. Feel distinctly unbleeding hmm

Hello anyway smile

Nokkie73 Sun 21-Apr-13 21:17:42

tams welcome. You can unburden, go a bit mental or just hang out here. Whatever you like. How are you finding down regging ? I found it a pain in the arse, mainly because I couldn't regulate my own sodding body temperature. Oh yeah, and the hormones.....they were interesting !

How is everyone else ?


tametortie Sun 21-Apr-13 21:39:00

Im also finding it a bit tricky. Feel very achey in my hips and side. Really want af to come so I can book a baseline scan. But after 6 years of relentless, on-time periods suddenly im 3 days late. Couldn't f**king make it up!!

Nokkie73 Sun 21-Apr-13 22:20:09

Hmmm, yeah. None of this goes to plan ever, does it ? I had convinced myself that I had ovulated early after my ivf bfn and we had done it in time, and the pains I felt could perhaps be the miracle post-ivf conception. Nope, just your goddam period, you dopey mare.

Have they popped you onto a different protocol this time, tams ? I hope they are doing something a bit different to make it work. May I ask what 'pred' is ? What supplements are you taking too (sorry - being v nosey !).


buzzybee123 Sun 21-Apr-13 22:23:55

what was kate middleton wearing hmm that has to be the worst looking coat ever.


tametortie welcome to the group, I can sympathise with the down regging thankfully tomorrow I start on the estrogen

tametortie Sun 21-Apr-13 22:33:57

Same protocol, different clinic. However I shared before, not this time. So the main difference will be I keep all my eggs. My response previously has been good with good eggs I think? Just not sure me and dh match sad

Pred is prednisolone. I have high nk cells and low amh- 4.5.

Currently im taking lamberts a-z (cheap but very good multivit), selenium 200mg, co-enzyme 600mg, l'arginine 1000mg, dhea 75mg, chromium 200mcg, inositol 4g, paradox omega 3 liquid.

Also had a scratch done last month.

Plus fairy spell...god, dont forget the fairy spell!! Its on a money back guarantee!! grin

Nokkie73 Sun 21-Apr-13 22:54:10

buzz what ? Where ? Was it truly horrid ? I shall express link the daily mail and investigate forthwith.

tams us low amh-ers need to do anything we can to make the eggs more viable ! We're did you get your dhea from ? What is the chromium and inositol for ? I apologise for plugging you for information but I have gone a bit supplement crazy and had to be reigned in by my acupuncturist yesterday who talked a bit of sense into me. Trouble is, you'll do anything to have a success story at the end of this, won't we ?

buzzybee123 Sun 21-Apr-13 22:55:54

grin at the money back guarantee I too have high nk cells, I'm going for DE IVF as my AMH was 1.1, can I ask did they use icsi for you

Nokkie73 Sun 21-Apr-13 23:12:31

I apologise for the terrible use of the English language at the end of that post. Shameful !

buzz that's my amh too. Did they press you into de or did you make your own choice ?

twinklestar2 Sun 21-Apr-13 23:16:17

Agreed - that coat was HIDEOUS.

Welcome tam!

tametortie Mon 22-Apr-13 06:39:25

We have icsi because on our first round we had failed fertilisation for me AND the lady I shared eggs to. Then with icsi on the 2nd round, we got 100% fertilisation but slow growing embies- only transferred an 8 cell and a 9 cell on day 5 sad. We are with a good clinic this time though and they think its a numbers game and to just go for it with all my own eggs. We will see....

Dhea is from biovea. I got a list of supplements from fertility friends and inositol is supposed to be good for egg quality. Have had a good 3 months on everything now. Hope it makes a difference.

tametortie Mon 22-Apr-13 06:40:53

Oh and chromium is to help control sugar levels in blood.

mejust Mon 22-Apr-13 10:05:09

hi im due to start my first round of ivf ,i start down reg injections in 3 weeks im really worried as i have pcos and the risk of ohss,i start metformin today

chummy1 Mon 22-Apr-13 13:33:15

Just a quick update .... We've had our first appointment with the ARGC.

It felt like IVF bootcamp! Not for the faint hearted! we've been given
very honest odds of 1:4 Our Doctor explained the process in detail. We do feel that this is the right clinic for us. Its our final throw of the dice! :~

Unfortunately after our appointment we were informed that the satellite clinic in Oxford (which is advertised as being available for the 12 day monitoring stage) is only open 3 days per week (therefore cannot be used for the daily/twice daily monitoring stage - unless you alternate but that doesn't work when you have to travel a long way to the clinic). This was very very disappointing. We had organised accommodation/dog sitter in Oxford. London is not so easy for us. sad

Has anyone had the full immunes at ARGC ? £800

We are not sure whether to proceed with this however given that this is our last attempt 'gulp' (i am 41 and DH is 54) we are sorely temped to try everything ... 'gulp' !

keepitgoing Mon 22-Apr-13 15:17:25

chummy 1 in 4's not bad; ivf is usually 1 in 3 for everyone. I'd say they're pretty good odds! But, it sounds like location's an issue. Wish i lived in london, i'd offer you a room.. What's the point of their satellite clinic...? Good luck in thinking it through x

buzzybee123 Mon 22-Apr-13 17:30:57

nokkie I know she is pregnant but someone should have said something about that coat before she went out in public hmm
I was looking into IVF overseas and sent them my info to see what they thought, I hadn't had my AMH done at this stage and they suggested DE, which was a complete shock as I thought I was reasonable ok hmm and then when I had my fertility MOT and my AMH I decided to go with DE as I felt it was my best chance and we only have one shot at it. So the short answer is no grin I wasn't pressured into it.

tams that is where I go my DHEA from, you learn something everyday as I didn't know about Chromium shall order online after this

mejust Welcome to the group, sorry I have no advice on PCOS but aslong as they keep monitoring you through the cycle, is this NHS or private??

chummy I agree they are pretty good odds although we would all like 100% odds, I have heard that ARGC are quite intense, its difficult for thos who do not live in London, could you not have some of you scans done at a place near you and then have the info sent to them for them to advise you?? Just to save you having to travel so much, I would think that if this is your last shot then throw everything at it, you don't want to look back and think, what if I had done the immunes, would that have made a difference, well that is what I would think confused

putthecrispsDOWN Mon 22-Apr-13 18:10:20

Hi everyone...haven't posted for past few days as trying not to obsess during my 2ww fat chance

noks *buzzy *tametortie (do you prefer tame or tortie or something else?!) my AMH is 4.5 ...I disn't do DHEA but wish I'd known about it in advance.

chummy they sound like good odds to me, plus remember as you get over every hurdle they will increase. I find the monitoring period the most difficult because of the travelling though, and I only travel 40mins. I'm sure yu've already looked into alternatives but if you're not happy with the distance I'd reconsider?

mejust...no experience with pcos I'm afraid but welcome!

Have been doing ok since ET...a few AF type pains on and off but nothing significant. Have had the odd scratching/pinching pain but this happens very rarely and could well be all in my head! Mostly have just been feeling sick as a dog but from past experience I'm putting this down to the progesterone. Was really sick this morning just like when I was pregnant with Dd but this was probably due to having a huge job interview today. Having had the experience already (due to god and babydust and sheer bloody good luck) I know I didn't really gt any major symptoms until 7-8 weeks, and that was for a twin pregnancy. Just trying to wait and putti out of my mind, and pretend that I'm all measured and calm and rational despite acting like a stroppy teenager most of the time, poor lovely DH

K-Middy's coat...ugh. The colour, the shape, just ugh. Although she is allowed on the basis of being lovely and managing to get herself up duffed which seems like an impossibility for me at the moment!

tametortie Mon 22-Apr-13 19:41:43

Tame, tam, tortie, TT- I dont mind smile

chummy I feel your pain. We travel to our clinic- its around 28 miles but on the M1 so a bloody nightmare. if they chucked a monitoring cycle in as well I think I'd think again!! BUT they are very good odds you have been quoted.

I liked Kate Middletons coat! Mind you, I am sat here in a pair of slacks, a twinset and pearls wink

crisps you sound really on edge- I cant imagine what a true 2ww must feel like. Both my cycles were shocking so never really had a 'proper' 2ww. What did your clinic say about your AMH? Mine werent fussed at all hmm I'm at Nurture in Nottingham. I went for a pre treatment scan at the start and my AFC was 22 so they said the AMH and AFC don't match. So as a compromise I am being given 300iu of menopur at the start of stims with a plan to drop that quickly if its not needed.

We have considered DE (or I have!!) because of such poor fertilisation/development before. I must say if I did go with DE, I'd go abroad. Possibly to serum in Greece? Or Reprofit? Have looked at those as a possibility if this doesn't work. We did have a consultation at a clinic in Norway over a year ago and they were fab. But then my mum was ill so travelling was not an option at the time.

Not sure I have mentioned it in any posts before but I have a DD already- conceived dead easily (2 months off pill) from a previous relationship. A decade ago today was my due date grin and she is beautiful. And apparently a total miracle hmm. I really should have mentioned that....seems as though I forgot about her blush Its her birthday this Friday. I cant wait!! grin

nokkie what supplemnts do you take? I am a supplement geek!!

mejust hello smile I'm new too x

buzzybee123 Mon 22-Apr-13 22:06:01

tame I am going to Reprofit in May so I can let you know what it is like but hopefully you won't need to :-)

MotorcycleMama Mon 22-Apr-13 22:09:43

I very much admire the fact that you put yourself up for a job interview, not just in the middle of IVF, but in the 2ww crisps. You deserve success on both fronts just for sheer guts and determination! When I realised that fertility treatment was a possibility, I downgraded my significantly stressful management job to a much lower key affair. The new job is much less stressful (thus giving me the leaway to be totally stressed with the treatment without becoming ill) but is so much more boring! Oh well, you can't have it all.
Welcome tortie. Nice to have you on board. Can I ask why you would go abroad for DE rather than stay in the UK? Just curious. I was not keen at all on the idea of going abroad.
Hi to everyone else!

tametortie Mon 22-Apr-13 22:13:57

Yes, let me know. I think with de, abroad is the way to go for me. Fingers crossed my own eggs aren't totally shot though- im only 32 sad

That fecking fairy spell better work....

tametortie Mon 22-Apr-13 22:15:23

As to why....traceability. Not that I would deceive the child.

tametortie Mon 22-Apr-13 22:21:45

Also, I liked the clinic we went to abroad. Totally different to UK.

Its a personal choice though. We are all struggling to make the right decision- is there one??!!

buzzybee123 Mon 22-Apr-13 22:41:01

oooh crisp when is testing day ?? good luck on the job front too

motor I too have taken a side step job wise which does suit me

tame Reprofit are great to deal with

EuroShaggleton Tue 23-Apr-13 01:47:42

Evening all. Just popping in to give you a jet lagged wave from the other side of the Pond.

Thinking of you crisp.

tametortie Tue 23-Apr-13 06:38:05

buzzybee just out of interest, how much is a donor egg cycle at reprofit? I've been told roughly that its around 5 grand inc accomadation...

Which clinics is everyone else with? Is anyone else with nurture? If so, how are you finding them? X

MotorcycleMama Tue 23-Apr-13 07:31:13

tortie Absolutely, there are no right or wrong answers, we all just have to follow what feels right for us. Trouble is it is all so confusing that I fear that I'm making big decisions without knowing all the facts, so it's really useful to hear other opinions.
I'm with Herts and Essex who seem to be ok so far. I don't have anything to compare with, but I have no complaints.
Hi buzzy euro chummy and everyone else.
A whole ' other week to go crisps - keep distracted! Thinking of you and hoping!!

tametortie Tue 23-Apr-13 07:38:50

As an egg sharer I was shocked by the uk law on children born from donor eggs being able to trace the donor. When I donated my eggs, I had to leave a letter to the child etc. Not sure my reasons of 'cheap ivf' really cut it tbh!

Im not sure those laws exist to the same extent abroad? I may have this wrong. My perception is that they dont. X

MotorcycleMama Tue 23-Apr-13 08:22:11

Tortie I have got my head around the idea of the donor being able to be traced, although I had to do a lot of thinking and reading. Really not sure about this leaving a letter though. To my mind, the donor has donated eggs, not babies, not even embryos. If a letter is left for the child, I think he/she must feel that they were given away as a child, not just as one 'ingredient' of the recipe, so to speak! Again, there are a lot of differing opinions about this.

tametortie Tue 23-Apr-13 11:19:33

I wasn't entirely comfortable with the letter either. But then I wasn't entirely comfortable with any of the treatment I received at my previous clinic. An egg is not a child and I think getting that into focus and not treating this one element as such is important emotionally. My letter consisted of erm....not much!!

chummy1 Tue 23-Apr-13 13:01:43

Has anyone else had bleeding at top of cervix during a smear?

Just had a smear (literally 2 hours ago) and top of my cervix is bleeding. My smear showed some very slight changes 10 months ago & this smear was to just 'rule out' anything bad! I trotted in thinking "it will be good to get this 'knocked off the list" and get on with IVF. DH away until Friday & having just come off the monster called google I am feeling a little bit wobbly.

Has anyone else ever had bleeding at the top of the cervix??
I don't have an infection (nurse said no inflammation either). I also had the High vag swab at the same time!!! IVF prep!

Google says infection, miscarriage, precancerous cells or cancerous cells and sometimes nothing (but not often) Feeling vulnerable.

EuroShaggleton Tue 23-Apr-13 15:34:00

chummy I don't have any answers but can offer some empathy. I had my first ever dodgy smear result come through when I was downregging last summer. It was an enormously stressful time. I'm supposed to have a repeat very soon, just as I am embarking on IVF again.

I know cervical erosion can cause random bleeds. Did you come across that in your googling?

I find the idea of being able to trace egg donors rather odd. I donate blood and wouldn't expect a recipient to trace me! (I know it's not quite the same, but neither is adoption of babies and they seem to be treating egg donation similar to that!).

Jewcy Tue 23-Apr-13 17:12:10

Hello, lovely ladies, I'm back (I've name-changed after a run-in with some RadFems when I was cuckoobird) confused How are you all?

To be honest, as a newcomer to mumsnet, I have found it to be a little brutal on some of these forums and I wasn't sure whether to return. However, I've decided to keep my fat gob shut stay away from AIBU threads as that kind of shit really brings out the worst in me. Plus, I really need the space to come and chat with others who are preparing for IVF smile Am I okay to come back?

In the two week wait at the moment and as soon as my period arrives I can start on the Cyclo-Progynova (HRT). Right, I will go back and read all your news...

MotorcycleMama Tue 23-Apr-13 18:37:13

Welcome back Jewcy. Too unsociable for me to do much on here at the moment, but I look forward to hearing from you again. Intrigued by your run-ins, but maybe I shouldn't ask!

mejust Tue 23-Apr-13 19:23:08

hi thank you for your replies im doing egg share so my treatment is on the nhs i wasnt comfortable with the letter thing either but kept it brief,as this will be my first ivf im really worried they have put me on long protocol which i start early may,im just anxious really not looking forward to egg retrieval

Jewcy Tue 23-Apr-13 19:56:42

Thanks, motor, let's just say they weren't impressed with my views on the rights of disabled people to access sex workers. I will never again debate anything to do with men, sex or disabled people with a feminist.

I was sorry to read about your husband's reticence with the IVF plans, motor. I do hope he comes around and realises that life - and how we experience it - has to change and evolve. Starting a family is scary for everyone but maybe even more so for those of us who have travelled a rocky road involving lots of money and heartache. How is he at the moment?

Crisps, when is your test date?

Buzzy, where are you drug-wise at the moment? Oestrogens? Don't you fly to Brno within the fortnight? Gosh, how exciting, but you must be so scared too, love - I know I will be. Am I a terrible person to be pleased you are our trailblazer? I am looking to your experience with lots of hope in my heart, Buzzy; if it works for you out in Brno it may just work for me..x

How is Scarlett doing? Any news from you? Hope you are okay.

euro, I see you are going again in May! I can feel you chomping at the bit and I am not surprised: last time was successful in lots and lots of ways...surely this is your time.

I had a truly lovely appointment with my GP last week whereby he offered to do almost everything required of the Brno clinic for free: blood tests for both me and my husband; a smear test and swab; all my drugs; and another sperm analysis. The only thing he can't sanction is the one or two ultrasound scans I'll need before we fly over. I am so grateful; he was genuinely interested in our plans and seemed almost excited for us. The nurse who did my smear yesterday could not have been more kind and encouraging; she is lighting a candle at church for us this weekend!

I have decided (husband has no say in this) to use half of his sperm and half from a donor and let the blastos speak for themselves as to which are transferred. He has made no effort to give up smoking and regularly forgets his vitamins and drinks gallons and gallons of caffeine a week during his sporting activities. His forthcoming SA may surprise us, but I doubt it. On the day of transfer I want the very best on and if that is not an embryo made from his sperm then so be it. He's happy with this he has to be grin

Sorry for the long post. I do hope everyone is well despite the terror unknown x

Jewcy Tue 23-Apr-13 20:08:21

NaughtyNokkie, where are you up to at the moment, love? Are you cycling again soon?

Hello to the newbies! I'm new here, too. It's lovely to see others who are using a donor. It was such an alien concept to me to use another woman's eggs; it's amazing what age and desperation can do to change your ideologies and values smile

mejust, you poor thing. Try not to worry about retrieval, someone will come along I'm sure and tell you how significantly less painful and terrifying it was than they feared. Take courage, love, and think of the big picture.

Jewcy Tue 23-Apr-13 20:19:30

tortie, I honestly don't know if we would tell our child they were from a donor. Is that disgusting? I'm sure you enlightened ladies will clear my thinking for me but I just can't bear the thought of some teenage brat screaming, "you're not even my fucking mother!!" during an argument sad
I think I would have no problem divulging the truth if both egg and sperm are donated. Does that make sense?

Who is the oligarch lady cycling at ARGC? I think that place should be renamed ARGH with those prices grin

buzzybee123 Tue 23-Apr-13 21:12:12

bloody cat lost my post

jewcy MN is far from fluffy but I do like a bit of the AIBU thread grin so what did you say to the rad fems ?? Yes I fly out on the 4th May almost feeling excited almost, i'm glad your GP is being supportive, I don't mind being the guinea pig on the DE front smile

tame The cost of treatment is around £3834 + travel and accommodation so hopefully around £5000 but we are staying for a week and travelling round and making a holiday of it, I did look at clinics here but DE IVF is around £7000, I did look at NLC and Create for just IVF

euro how long are you away for??

chummy step away from google, can I ask how you know its high up?? could it have knocked when having the smear?? Sorry not very helpful

crisps I hope you are keeping yourself distracted smile

I will tell my kids that they were DE, I don't like the idea of not being totally truthful and I wouldn't want them to find out some other way, I hope my child will realise how much they were wanted that we went to such great lengths to have them, it won't make any difference to me because I will still be there mum, I will be the one carried them to term, I wish I could know a bit more about my donor as I'm sure my child will have questions about them, that is where I think the letter is quite nice, yes she sold her eggs but I like to think she cared enough to do it to help women like me fulfill my dream to become a mum. It can't be much fun to keep taking the stimming drugs and having to go through EC, well that is how I look at it

mejust Tue 23-Apr-13 23:44:44

JEWCY,i dont think not telling the child they were from a donor is a bad thing i understand what your saying after all you will have carried the child for 9 months gave birth to them and raised them,im donating eggs but its an egg and if it helps another couple thats great but they will be the parents x

MotorcycleMama Wed 24-Apr-13 07:30:47

Jewcy tortie buzzy mejust I read Diane Ehrensaft's book Mommies, Daddies, Donors, Surrogates while considering DE IVF, and it really helped me think about all potential issues for all involved in a very positive way. It also covers the whether to/when/what/how to tell the child. Very good book IMHO.
Not long now buzzy - you must be excited!
I was told yesterday that it would take " up to 2 months to find a match" so it is all getting more real now. Just want to get on with it!!

Jewcy Wed 24-Apr-13 15:15:09

buzzy, we're going for a week, too, and my husband has found out that Brno have a football team in what would be classed as their Premier League. They are playing at home the week we are there and he is insisting he is going hmm

motor, I will get that book, thanks. I know what you mean about 'wanting to get on with it'. I think buzzy is so lucky and yet I'm terrified for her!

In other news, today I have fallen flat on my face for the second time in two days. In the middle of a busy shopping centre. Not one of the Big Issue sellers came to help me so they can fuck off from now on..grin

tametortie Wed 24-Apr-13 20:38:26

I would tell the child but wait until an age when they can be reasoned with and understand.

I'm so unhappy. Day 14 of downregging, feel so low and still no sign of my period.


buzzybee123 Wed 24-Apr-13 21:05:23

jewcy on FF they tell you about restaurants to eat at and things to do, we have been to Vienna, Prague and Bratislava before but we could go back, there are a few other places I'd like to go and see

motor the book sounds interesting thanks for the tip, 2 months is pretty good

Jewcy Wed 24-Apr-13 21:19:46

buzzy, my husband is a train spotter (please, don't ask) and is very excited at the prospect of flying to Vienna and getting the train from there. I must say I quite fancy it myself.

tortie, you poor thing. Please remember that this, too, will pass. Downregging brings a lot of women ridiculously low from what I have read on these threads. You are not alone. Please look at the bigger picture and know you will not feel like this forever x

buzzybee123 Wed 24-Apr-13 21:51:59

jewcy my husband is into trains hmm and can tell the difference between them as well hmm he was very excited about seeing so new kind of train thing when we went to Italy last year, I do like to travel by train

tame big hugs, down regging made me feel crap and low and extremely forgetful

Jewcy Wed 24-Apr-13 23:23:50

buzzy, another anorak? Surely nay hmm My husband's grandfather was the station master of a train station and actually lived in a house on the platform. DH loved him and has fond memories of being in his grandfather's arms and being permitted to wave the flag to see the trains off. He's been obsessed with trains ever since and has covered every corner of Europe on the things. The last time we went to see a steam train (his absolute favourite) I am convinced he got an erection grin

buzzybee123 Wed 24-Apr-13 23:34:30

jewcy are we married to the same man grin my husbands uncle is a train driver, when the new javelin train came out here we happened to be at the station and the driver let him into the cab to have a look, steam trains are his favourite too,

Jewcy Thu 25-Apr-13 08:43:54

Bloody hell, buzzy, I don't know whether to tell DH about your DH's love of trains; I can see a clinic switch on the horizon grin

buzzybee123 Thu 25-Apr-13 18:39:35

jewcy just think how much fun we could have we left them two together grin

Jewcy Thu 25-Apr-13 19:28:37

Buzzy, if this IVF doesn't work I'll be putting my head on the tracks grin

Jewcy Thu 25-Apr-13 19:32:35

...oooh, yeah, whilst they were train-spotting we could go shopping for prams grin

buzzybee123 Thu 25-Apr-13 21:58:22

I like your thinking wink

EuroShaggleton Fri 26-Apr-13 18:43:27

tortie downregging is a horrible process. You have my sympathies. I couldn't hack it and cancelled the cycle and went for natural instead. How much longer do you have to go?

buzz I got back this morning. It has been a looooooong week.

buzzybee123 Sat 27-Apr-13 13:10:21

euro welcome back, the sun is shining which is always good smile

Nokkie73 Sat 27-Apr-13 19:16:28

Hello ladies

We appear to be at some sort of rail anorak's convention...has anyone seen the hormonal ladies of a 'certain age' who would like a baybee or two in their tumtum ?

Anyway. grin

buzz countdown time, eh ? How are you getting on ? I think you said you go out on 4th May which sn't long now at all. I do hope there will be wifi where you are so you can keep us updated.

motor you've been quiet. Is everything ok ? Has it calmed down a bit for you both now ?

jewcy welcome back ! I am intrigued by your spat with millietant. I wouldn't let her stop you from posting your views though. Have you managed to stay upright over the last few days ?!!

tame down regging was a steaming pile of shit for me so I feel your pain. Has that bit finished for you now ? The next bit is better, I promise.

mejust crisps scarlett are you there ? grin

euro have you got the wine out yet ?!

I have had a crap week, to be honest. Feeling really low and not wanting to see anyone. I hope I turn a corner soon. I have my hysteroscopy on 7th so am really hoping they can find something and fix it. I think being in limbo has really frustrated me which is why this week has been so hard. Anyway, wine always helps so I have a large glass of Chablis (I know, I am so posh, wot wot) on the go. I may re-introduce myself to the gym tomorrow after a week off to shift some of the ivf blubber.....hmmmmm.

Anyway, I hope you're all having a nice evening.

Noks xx

MotorcycleMama Sat 27-Apr-13 19:51:13

Hi nokkie. Yes, it has all gone a bit quiet, hasn't it? I've got myself onto the waiting list for donor eggs, which they say will take "up to 2 months" to find a match. Can't do much until then. It's horrible at the moment to be honest. My lovely DH is freaking out at the idea of having kids, so I can't talk about it very much, which is really hard as it dominates my thoughts every day. I just want to get on with it!
Sorry you are feeling low. Chablis is a good remedy for that though. Tell me about the hysteroscopy.. What, why etc.

Jewcy Sat 27-Apr-13 20:33:23

Nokkie, I can't believe you've had IVF without having a hysteroscopy/lap first - is this normal? I do think your low mood is because you're inbetween treatments. Tell us what your plans are...and chin up, love, you won't feel like this for much longer.

Can you tell me what's so terrible about downregging? Everyone says it's soul-destroying horse shit. Will I go through this, too, even though I'm having DE (in other words, will my drugs be the same as everyone else's? I'm starting Cyclo-Progynova at the start of May for 21 days).

Motor, I am at a loss as to how to advise you re your husband. Has he articulated his precise fears/doubts about having children? Are you only recently married? I really do feel for you..

Gosh, this shit is really hard..

putthecrispsDOWN Sat 27-Apr-13 20:45:25

Hello all! Sorry for being AWOL this week, it was partyly due to me having a mad mad week and also partly because I need to try not to think about the elephant in the room during the 2ww. The next bit will be a bit long and a bit me me me (apologies in advance) but have had a bloody awesome week so hoping to spread some positivity and good vibes.

Had huge horrific massive interviews Mon and Tues for an Assistant Head post...(am 31 and in the possession of ovaries even if they don't fucking work very well so this was a long shot...) anyhoo...I got the bloody job!! Which means a huge pay rise which will make a massive difference to us and our mountain of IVf debt. So that started my week off fabulously! Wednesday found out about the job and also one of my school teams won a regional competition...boring story for non-teachers but a huge deal for them so was v happy by this point.

Started out with a distinct lack of symptoms since ET...no implantation bleeding, no veins, no metallic taste etc. Felt absolutely nothing! Had a few AF type aches but that is normal for all cycles I think. A few scratching feelings inside I think but could have been making them up tbh.

.... But from Monday started feeling so sick that I actually was a few times each morning...and by Friday felt so rotten that I just took a test (OTD is Wednesday).....and guess what readers...

BFP!! BFeffingP!

Faint but definitely there. Took another this morning...stronger line this time. Against all odds, after four cycles, three operations, selling our campervan and putting up with years of everyone else's opinions I am actually up the bloody duff! So it's early days for us (think I must be about four weeks) and we still have a very long way to go and we don't plan on telling anyone except our parents, but for now we are ecstatic and grateful and trying to get our heads around the fact that for once something has actually worked. Can't bloody believe it...we had genuinely got to the point of thinking it would never ever ever happen. Thanks for all of your support, I really do think that staying positive throughout the whole thing has helped.

AMH of 4, failed cycles, stage four endo, scar tissue from a million ops and low confidence from the docs...ha! What do they know? wink

So how is everyone?
tortie any sign of the elusive AF?
noks stick with it....everyone is better when they have a plan and some action to aims towards. I really hope that happens for you.
buzzy have everything crossed, am excited for you(iykwim)
euro how's tricks?
< waves at motor jewcy scarlett>

MotorcycleMama Sat 27-Apr-13 21:11:17

So good to hear from you crisps- f*#king brilliant news!! So pleased for you, and your good news brings inspiration to me and all other aspiring mothers! Can't wait to hear all your updates!
jewcy yes, we're 2 years married, though I don't know whether you'd call that recent or not! We'll get through, I have faith.

Jewcy Sat 27-Apr-13 21:30:23

crisps, I could kill you for making us wait until the middle of your gargantuan post for this frigging fantastic news! Well done, love! You must feel on top of the world - and your job news is super. What a treat to be getting such a rise in pay, really well done.

Can I ask for some details re your IVF, please? What day transfer did you have and how many embies (and what stage of development were they?) How many days past transfer did you get your BFP? Am I right in thinking you already have a child borne of IVF?

Incredible, lovely news thanks

Jewcy Sat 27-Apr-13 21:32:33

crisps, what is 'stage four' endo and where, exactly, did you have it, please?

twinklestar2 Sat 27-Apr-13 21:59:53

Crisps - absolutley over the moon for you!! Congratulations!

Nokkie73 Sat 27-Apr-13 22:54:14

crisps just got in from the pub ( well, we are in between cycles so I feel no guilt whatsoever grin ) to this lovely news. Wow. I am so happy for you. You've had such a battle to get there so it is well deserved. Well damn done ! And on the job too. My Bessie mate is a teacher so I know a little of what you go through. Massive congrats. Xx

buzzybee123 Sat 27-Apr-13 23:00:18

WAHOO crisps on your BFP grin I did worry about scarring etc but now i'm not going to give it a second thought

nokkie I am so sorry you are feeling low, its such a shit time and it feels never ending at times, you time to be a mum will come soon, you're just having to do it hard way but you'll get there in the end

jewcy I have not had a lap or a hysteo either, I did take a downregging drug to get my cycle into line with my donor before starting the progynova. It just makes you feel 'weird' as in not yourself, I was so forgetful, good job I have a name tag for work hmm

motor no real advice but would suggest that your DH rights down his fears and what is the worst thing that could happen, sometimes when you see it in writing it isn't as scary as it first appears, my LC made me do this with my situation, she made me realise that my biggest fear is that I would be childless, but even if that happens, there are so many other amazing things/people in my life that I will survive and carry on. I also came up with other plans too like adoption, fear can rob you of your dreams, sometimes you have to face the fear and do it anyway.

Well I decided that I would like this coming Friday off so went o check the work diary only to see that I had already booked it off but had forgotten in my DR haze hmm so only 4 more days of work, I still feel a bit all over the place and do find it hard to focus at times but i'm not thinking about the IVF either. I'm feeling kind of good about things almost excited but I think its more relief that no matter what happens the end is in sight for us, this is the last year of TTC. Our biggest concern is the cat and who will look after her and what she will eat etc

waves to everyone else

putthecrispsDOWN Sat 27-Apr-13 23:06:25

Ah thanks my lovelies. We are now trying to not get too excited just in case fuck it, already have a list of potential baby names on my phone

jewcy endometriosis is graded in stages 1-4, 4 being the worst. This means all of my lower organs are fused by adhesions...think ovaries, womb, bladder, bowel etc. fun times not. This coupled with the ops I have had to repair the damage has left me almost(!!!!) unable to conceive. Ivf...this was cycle four...long protocol...gonal-f stims.....had 9 follies, 7eggs, all mature, 4 fertilised (John, Paul, Ringo and George to the ladies on herewink), transferred 2 5-day blasts. Got my BFP 14 days after ovulation, I.e. 9 days after transfer. I do have an awesome miracle Dd who is 3 from a previous cycle. Thank every God and angel for fertility treatment! I like to think that this one is Ringo personally as I drum in a rock band! Praying for stickiness now x

EuroShaggleton Sat 27-Apr-13 23:08:12

Crisps! Congrats and congrats. grin What an absolutely amazing week.

Jewcy I didn't have a lap or hysteroscopy before IVF either (well, I have had a lap but almost 20 years ago, so not related to ttc).

Downregging affects some people more than others. It's basically a crash menopause in hormonal terms with everything being switched off over a couple of weeks, rather than several years. It made me depressed and anxious. I just didn't feel like myself at all. I have two close friends who went through IVF before me and couldn't even remember the downregging it had so little effect on them!

Not long to go now buzz!

Jewcy Sat 27-Apr-13 23:21:02

Blimey, crisps, who would have thought with all that damage in and around the womb you could have had this unbelievable miracle; that's what it is, a wonderful, wonderful miracle. It's more than heartening to know that implantation can and does happen even in the most hostile of environments smile I hope you don't mind me putting like that.

Thanks, buzzy and euro, for explaining downregging. So..my Cyclo-Progynova (which I have been led to believe is a HRT drug) is not for downregging then. Am I right? Do I get to skip that part? I've been told I start oestrogen drugs eighteen days into the HRT.

I'm over the moon for you, crisps, thank you for giving us hope <selfish>

Nokkie73 Sat 27-Apr-13 23:21:37

motor you sound like you're in no mans land too my love. I know it's hard but do come on here to talk things through if you need to. At least they have given you something to work towards though. Try not to think of two months as being some sort of purgatory but time to prepare yourself. It's hard, all this, so go easy on yourself.

jewcy because I had relatively normal but short-ish cycles (24 days with the odd weird 19 day cycle last year) they assumed that my uterus was ok until they started treatment. It was only when I was stimming and had a scan to see if I was ready that they delayed EC for a couple of days to see if my lining would get a bit thicker (it was 6.5 mm and they would like to see it at 8mm or more at that stage). They then couldn't measure it again before ET as the trigger shot changes the lining (this is from my consultant so I am taking it as read). As it was my first cycle and they had no real reason to think that anything was wrong, they didn't think it was necessary to put me in for it before my cycle. There is a bit of controversy with putting women in for a hysteroscopy before treatment if you are self- funding as it's £2,000 at guys (probably more elsewhere) and could be perceived as a bit of a money making scam because there isn't always something wrong in there. I just wonder if I should have said something before my cycle, as my acupuncturist said last year that my cycles were probably too short to support an embryo as the extra four days (to take me to a 28 day cycle) could make all the difference. She did get me to 28 days towards the end of the year but by then we were gearing up for treatment. I think that they learn so much from the first cycle if it doesn't work that you can think 'well why the frig didn't you do that before'. Thing is, they don't know either, until you actually go through it. They also think there could be some scarring from my D&C after my MC bit until they have a peek, they won't know.

So, upshot is, more dildocam action for moi. I think we all feel as though our lady gardens are less our own and more of a tourist attraction right now so one more sesh won't matter !

Nokkie73 Sat 27-Apr-13 23:31:26

buzz I felt starey out of the window bonkers and my body temperature went up and down more times than a hookers thong. It drove me mad. Good to hear you are feeling positive though. Xx

crisps there is only one name you need. Ringo Crisps. If it's two, which other Beatle will it be grin ?

keepitgoing Sun 28-Apr-13 03:33:31

crisps!! Congratulations! Brilliant news. Good luck for the next few weeks, and join us here if you like.

Jewcy Sun 28-Apr-13 10:33:50

Nokkie, I blame last year's ERPC entirely for my infertility; before the miscarriage I was an instadiffer <proud/smug> I honestly can't believe the amount of women who are left subfertile/whatever after a medically managed mc. Anyway...que sera and all that horse shit <bitter>

I honestly assumed every woman having IVF had first of all been 'explored'. I, too, am self-funded but my GP sent me for all the necessary tests and investigations through the NHS. I have a lot to be thankful for.

I'm in contact with two ladies on FF who are currently in Brno at the ReproGenesis clinic. Their embryos are doing brilliantly at day three and it gives me so much hope for my own cycle. I know that no two cycles are the same but so much good news is coming out of ReproG at the moment smile

Nokkie73 Sun 28-Apr-13 15:52:54

jewcy what tests/procedures were you sent for ? To be honest, all my NHS consultant wanted to do was give me clomid. Faking useless. If they found anything with you, we're they able to correct it ? X

Nokkie73 Sun 28-Apr-13 17:55:18

Cheers for the PM, jewcy

putthecrispsDOWN Sun 28-Apr-13 21:03:12

Thanks keep , will do. Am stupidly happy but also ow mentalling and want to e further along like now! Ringo sends his love to all though!

twinklestar2 Sun 28-Apr-13 21:11:48

Girls who are having IVF on the NHS. How long did it take from the appointment where you were told you would have to have IVF to actually starting the process?

tametortie Sun 28-Apr-13 22:03:55

Hello all!! Sorry, been busy with dd's birthday. Haven't read through properly but congrats to crisps!! How amazing grin

Af is here now, arrived on Friday. DR scan on Wednesday. Nervous.

EuroShaggleton Mon 29-Apr-13 11:08:52

twink for me, I was referred for IVF in Nov, got the paperwork from the clinic in Dec, had an AFC ultrasound and some other tests in Jan, we both had the compulsory bloodtests and a consultation about the process in Feb and we could have started in March (but we chose to put it off because I was so freaked out).

jewcy I've come across quite a few women on here who got pregnant quickly, mc'd and then couldn't get pregnant again. I'm not sure if I'm one myself. A few months before we started ttc when we were being quite careless and using the withdrawal method I had a very odd cycle, with pink watery bleeding (first time in 25 years of periods) and some other odd stuff. It was unlike any other cycle but by the time I realised what I was experiencing was a bunch of pregnancy symptoms and took a test, I had started bleeding and it was a BFN. Since then, nada, until the IVF. I think I might have had an accidental instadiff the first time sperm met egg and a chem preg or very early mc. And then nothing.

Good luck for your scan tortie.

Jewcy Mon 29-Apr-13 13:17:38

Euro, did you ever have a HSG/lap & dye? I keep reading how blood (and stuff) from a mc can travel backwards up the fallopian tubes causing blockages. This can even happen from normal menstruation where some blood flows in reverse. I've never had an STD so fuck knows how I've managed to get a blocked tube. I swear it's the miscarriage.

EuroShaggleton Mon 29-Apr-13 13:51:53

I had a HSG. It was completely clear - the liquid whizzed straight through. I had a lap 20 years ago for something else but not in the course of fertility investigations. The drs didn't see the need. I've never had an STD either that I know of!

There is a poster on these boards called sarlat who had an mc and then blocked tubes. She has just got her BFP on her 2nd cycle after an op to try to sort them out, after failed IVF!

Jewcy Mon 29-Apr-13 16:22:44

Wow. They unblocked both her tubes?

MotorcycleMama Mon 29-Apr-13 16:37:23

Can I ask if any of you have any tips on how I could be preparing my body and optimising my chances of success with DE IVF? I figure that while I am waiting to be matched, I should be doing some prep!

Jewcy Mon 29-Apr-13 16:42:22

Don't ask me, Motor, I drink gallons of caffeine sad Maybe google what is best for a healthy uterus and blood supply? 'cos it doesn't matter how shit our eggs are

MotorcycleMama Mon 29-Apr-13 17:29:01

That's funny jewcy. It's true though, I feel like my body is rather irrelevant in this process. Maybe we should just enjoy caffeine and alcohol while we can! My weight is fine, and my diet is pretty good and I do a lot of exercise, so maybe that is all I need to worry about. Trouble is, you read these threads and see that people are religiously taking supplements and things that I've never heard of. I don't want to miss a trick!

buzzybee123 Mon 29-Apr-13 17:36:51

motor I suppose just cut down on drinking booze and caffeine, maybe eat more healthy stuff and keep fit. No more booze for me this week, I usually drink decaf but still I have too much hmm

buzzybee123 Mon 29-Apr-13 17:39:10

oops posted too soon, I have now begun to worry about DH not being able to perform as such or that he has a bad count or that they don't fertilise the eggs and the whole thing is wasted

Jewcy Mon 29-Apr-13 17:40:31

Oh I'm taking all the supplements, motor! I know that 'normal' IVFers prepare their bodies with lots of protein including lots of milk and I'm thinking that's to maximise their potential for EC? Obviously a good diet and exercise is to be recommended for everyone trying for a baby but, if I'm honest, I've given up thinking that any of that stuff actually matters. These artificially created embryos are either going to implant or they're not. I don't think anything we do or don't do can actually impact upon whether an embryo implants or not.

What does anyone else think?

Jewcy Mon 29-Apr-13 17:43:03

buzzy, have faith in your husband's SA and remember they have fab wank rooms in IVF clinics with videos and everything. Banish those irrational thoughts, they are super unhelpful (and only natural at this stage) x

buzzybee123 Mon 29-Apr-13 17:51:56

sorry I am struggling with this today, slightly distracted by the cat

euro it could just be a dud cycle, I have had the odd one but then the next cycle was fine

jewcy I am with you on the can't get updiffed after ERPC hmm, my concern is that they might just be too lazy to do anything afterwards, his SA have been poor to ok in the past, thinking of seeing if I can do a mixture of IVF/ICSI

Jewcy Mon 29-Apr-13 18:11:36

Ah, I see your concern, buzzy. My clinic insists on ICSI (no other option) so it's not something I will have to worry about. I am sure you will have nothing to worry about, either. Will you have to pay extra for ICSI?

buzzybee123 Mon 29-Apr-13 18:41:32

jewcy This what is included in the price

consultation, treatment plan, blood tests (STDs),
sperm analysis, donor’s stimulation
and compensation, oocyte (egg) retrieval, general
anesthesia, ICSI, extended cultivation, assisted
hatching, embryotransfer, freezing of embryos,
cryopreservation and storage of embryos for 1 year

so in short no, ha really have no idea what I am doing, i'm just turning up and leaving them to it smile

buzzybee123 Mon 29-Apr-13 18:43:10

some women go to this place for IUI, I just looked up the price, its way cheaper there than here even with the flights

buzzybee123 Mon 29-Apr-13 22:10:47

i seem to be on a cluster post tonight, my donor is responding well to the stimms, she is 25 green eyes, brown hair healthy A neg blood type, sounds perfect to me smile

Nokkie73 Mon 29-Apr-13 22:23:59

buzz that's exciting. Does it make it seem more real now ?

motor if anything, just do and take stuff to make the blood supply to the uterus healthy and plentiful. You need to make sure your lining is +8mm at least before ET. Try acupuncture and supplements to get the blood flow going. Yoga is also good. Eat healthily, drink in moderation and stay active if nothing else. If baby/babies wants to stick, it/they will, at the end of the day.

joooosie eeey oop lass grin

EuroShaggleton Mon 29-Apr-13 22:25:41

I think so, jewcy. Her story is on the 10+ers thread. She's about 6 weeks now.

She sounds great, buzz. That's a good all in price.

I think a lot of clinics are favouring ICSI now. I just can't bring myself to do any more than the bare minimum that is necessary though. I still need to move in baby steps, even now I am at the IVF stage!

I feel like I'm post ov, so hopefully it is just the thermometer playing up. Maybe the cold from the plane hold has drained the battery.

twinklestar2 Mon 29-Apr-13 22:35:02

Thx euro for answering my Q.

Jewcy Tue 30-Apr-13 13:30:52

buzzy, great news about your donor's progress. I reckon you're going to mental like crazy during this week before flying out there; I know I will I'm going crazy right now! Just take deep breaths, Buzzy, and remember the reasons you've chosen this path: those lovely, lovely success rates and beautifully youthful, undamaged eggs. Chin up, love x

May I pick your brains, please? Before I decided on DE I got my AMH tested. Just got the result: 5.5 pmol/l. Can anyone enlighten me as to what this means? It doesn't matter now but I am curious.

Jewcy Tue 30-Apr-13 13:31:50

[doffs flat cap at Nokkie]

EuroShaggleton Tue 30-Apr-13 13:38:23

jewcy I think 5.5 is in the "low fertility" range but AMH seems to be more a forecast as to how long you have to the menopause rather than the condition of anything now.

Jewcy Tue 30-Apr-13 13:40:41

Thanks, euro, it shouldn't matter but it makes me feel such a failure, especially after being an instadiffer not so long ago. At least I feel even more sure of my DE decision smile

Thanks for the reply.

EuroShaggleton Tue 30-Apr-13 14:03:35

Mine was 12.something a couple of years ago, also in the low fertility range, but I was told it was normal for my age. And I've seen women with levels below 1 getting pg, so I don't set much store by it, tbh. I ovulate everymonth (except perhaps this one!) so I'm not sure it means much.

You really shouldn't feel a failure. You know that's crazy, right? I understand the emotional impact though. I was surprised mine fell into the low fertility category as my FSH level had been really good. I reckon all it means is that I am heading for an earlier than average menopause anyway, which I already knew from looking at the women in my family.

Jewcy Tue 30-Apr-13 18:27:52

Thanks, euro. At almost 42 yrs I think I'm prepared to admit defeat with my own eggs and a blocked tube. My FSH is great, too, at 6.5. My mum went through the menopause at 46 shock

buzzy, I know you fly out on Saturday and are making a holiday of it but when is EC, do you know yet?

Must dash, I've got to make nutmeg and cheese mash for the top of my cottage pie fucking divine

buzzybee123 Tue 30-Apr-13 19:26:30

evening ladies

oooh a couple of northerners grin tis where I originated from

jewcy my AMH was 1.1, which was what made me chose donor, both my mum and nan were in their late 40's when they reached menopause, my nan was 44 when she had my mum hmm so not really sure what it all means

nokkie yes it all feels very real now trying not to worry about my lining last time it was checked it was triple lined hmm

EC is on Monday the 6th, we have to go to the clinic at 10am, which is a civilised hour for me, ET will be either next Thursday or Saturday

I have kept myself busy with things like DIY, and other little projects, I seem to be overly busy but it does help, work has been rather interesting of late, elderly people are funny creatures especially those with mental health ishooos

Jewcy Tue 30-Apr-13 19:35:12

buzzy! You'll be PUPO by next Saturday at the latest!! grin

Old people + lost marbles = run for the hills! grin

putthecrispsDOWN Tue 30-Apr-13 19:58:59

Exciting times for tame and buzzy...really hope everything progresses well for you both.

I get to call the clinic tomorrow...have been sick as a dog all day every day so far but it is oddly nice. Look huge already but is prob just the progesterone bloating and slight addiction to Doritos.

What stage is everyone at? I cold do with a recap...have been a bit absent lady but would like to cheerlead for you all as it was great to have the support through my cycle. So far I have tame waiting for dr scan, buzzy off somewhere waiting for her DE pupo day....everyone else? X

Jewcy Tue 30-Apr-13 20:46:16

Frigging footie sad

Right-o, crisps, here's where I am: first attempt at IVF mid-June at Reprogenesis in Brno, the Czech Republic. We are using donor eggs (I'm knocking on 42 with a mmc behind me and a blocked tube). I'm due to start my mock cycle (HRT) on Monday. If we are blessed with four blastos on the day of ET we will have three transferred and one frozen.

Jewcy Tue 30-Apr-13 20:50:18

...that sounds greedy, I know, but we are guaranteed two 5-day blastos and any extra are frozen as part of the price. With me being ancient I think I will be happy to have three transferred if we were that fortunate smile

crisps, it is heartening to hear you're feeling pukey. I want to be projectile vomiting next time I'm preggo for some peace of mind grin

Jewcy Tue 30-Apr-13 20:54:01

I have managed to make our prospective IVF cycle feel cheap and clinical sad blush

buzzybee123 Tue 30-Apr-13 21:49:00

crisps I don't have my glasses on so I read 'I could do with a recap' as I could do with a crap grin Yay to feeling pukey

jewcy will they let you put 3 back?? I'm going for two and hoping we'll have something freeze

buzzy 40 DH 39, two miscarriages in 2011, diagnosed with high NK Cells, 4 times SO, IUI with SO, DE IVF at Reprofit on the 6th May

EuroShaggleton Tue 30-Apr-13 22:22:30

I'm 37, Mr Euro is 38. Unexplained, although NK cells were borderline high. Tried 6 months of prednisolone, 3xSO, 2xnatural IUI, 1 cancelled conventional IVF cycle due to bad reaction to downregging, first ever BFP from first natural IVF cycle. Trying again in May/June.

crisps I'm glad you have strong symptoms, even if they are not pleasant right now. That must be a comfort.

Jewcy Tue 30-Apr-13 22:33:20

Yes, buzzy, they will transfer three if you're over 40.

EuroShaggleton Tue 30-Apr-13 22:59:02

jewcy I was thinking about AMH levels after our exchange earlier, and came across these links:

www.fertilicare.org/forum/showthread.php?244-Infertility-Blood-Tests (Maritza's post has the useful info)

And I find this one really interesting:
So my level of 12 at 35/36 was just below average. Your level looks bang on average for your age.

buzzybee123 Tue 30-Apr-13 23:07:22

jewcy I am surprised with that as multiple pregnancy are high risk, I thought they were not keen on more than 2

twinklestar2 Tue 30-Apr-13 23:09:13

Me and husband 34, ttc 22 months, next appt 22nd March.

Currently on cd34 and no sign of AF although had BFN last Saturday. It's not unusual for my cycle to be irregular. They're usually around 30-35 days.

buzzybee123 Tue 30-Apr-13 23:09:42

euro thanks for the links, interesting read

Jewcy Wed 01-May-13 18:02:22

Thanks, euro.

I'm fucking sick of waiting for this IVF to start even though I only decided upon this course of action, like, two weeks ago


Jewcy Wed 01-May-13 18:03:10

...can you tell my period's due tomorrow?

Jewcy Wed 01-May-13 19:39:36

...ha! A day early...

putthecrispsDOWN Wed 01-May-13 21:11:50

Thanks ladies, am now up to speed. I think we're all due a change of luck and some reward for our efforts!

jewcy welcome to the rage club! The w a i t i n g is endless and horrific isn't it.
euro you are the Oracle of fertility! Very interesting information...
twinkle will do an AF dance for you although that sounds quite grim now I've typed it, sorry
buzzy that is FIVE days away eeeeeeeeeeeekexciting!

Sickness still here but quite glad of it, otherwise I don't feel any different. I just want to be waddling around with every symptom going already as I don't feel pregnant at all. Rang my clinic today to tell the, about the BFP and the nurse said to ring my GP...I said I thought that was too soon...so she told me that I WAS pregnant and I WAS going to have a baby and then laughed and said every IVF success is always in denial for the forest few months. Quite nice to know we're all mentallers.

Told my boss about being pg today as she cornered me. She took it quite well considering I've just had a massive promotion and will now be off on a very well paid mat leave fingers crossed. She then said something along the lines of 'see, you thought you wouldn't have children and now you'll have two, I always knew it would all be ok'. Nearly replied 'no, I wasn't making it up when five doctors told me that my body doesn't work properly and actually my daughter and this pregnancy is a result of eight years and thirty grands worth of ivf, six operations, acupuncture and a seriously positive attitude which is needed to put up with fucktards like you'.

None of us deserve this more than the rest of us, we would all be incredible parents, and there arent any guarantees of reward for hard work or long service, that's why this is so difficult. I feel like one of the lucky ones at the moment but it makes me angry that people think you get children when you have earned them. If that was true, why are so many wonderful people childless and so many idiots in possession of hundreds of kids that they don't look after properly? Grr.

... So maybe I should add rage to my symptoms? blush

twinklestar2 Wed 01-May-13 22:42:42

Thanks crisps but AF arrived this morning. Coming into month 23 I think now. Cue massive meltdown and crying. Feel like such a failure.

buzzybee123 Wed 01-May-13 22:50:01

twinkle sorry about bfn perhaps last Saturday was a too early to test

jewcy that is quick, my clinic has a waiting list of 4-6 months

crisp I hate it when people make those patronising comments hmm some people just dont think before they speak

well my cat care has been sorted, now just to organise myself . .

buzzybee123 Wed 01-May-13 22:51:48

x post twinkle so sorry big hugs

twinklestar2 Wed 01-May-13 22:52:00

Buzzy AF arrived this morning.

twinklestar2 Wed 01-May-13 22:52:14

Thx buzzy x

buzzybee123 Wed 01-May-13 22:53:56

its shit isn't it, are you doing IVF on the NHS

twinklestar2 Thu 02-May-13 09:21:25

Yes we are - if it comes to that. Got our next appointment on the 22nd May to see if OH'S morphology has improved after giving up drinking for 3 months.

Jewcy Thu 02-May-13 10:42:39

Twinks, I would feel shit after 23 months, too. I promise you will feel a whole lot better when your IVF is in sight (or whatever assistance you choose). Two years is a torturous length of time to suffer all those unwelcome periods. You've gone through the worst bit, now look forward to handing your fertility over to the Big Guns. I am sending a fuck-off big bear hug, love.

buzzy, there is no waiting list at ReproG as it's only in its infancy (est 2010, I think). There can't be many couples who trust it yet.

My period arrived last night so my mock cycle drugs begin on Sunday. I emailed my coordinator last night my period news and this morning I awoke to a full schedule including drug regime, scans etc. Brilliant.

twinklestar2 Thu 02-May-13 10:47:11

Thx jewcy, that's very kind of you. I'm taking all hugs I can get at the moment. Swing between feeling really low and then pulling my socks up and thinking this isn't going to beat me!

Jewcy Thu 02-May-13 11:51:09

Twink, it's the not knowing from month-to-month and then that blanket of despair when the fucking period arrives. We all know how you feel, but two years is especially bleak and you've been unknowingly strong in all that time. I'm too ancient for NHS IVF but I hope you make the decision soon to hand all this shit over to the experts. Don't wait any longer than you have to and don't pin all your hopes on your husband;s sperm being great. Expect the worst and get ready to plan.You're not a failure X

EuroShaggleton Thu 02-May-13 12:20:48

Not long now buzz!

crisps I think I had quite a short fuse in early prenancy. And I didn't even have people telling me stupid patronising crap to trigger it...

jewcy that sounds very efficiant.

Sorry about AF twink. I'm hoping mine holds off until after my mini break. And then we will be starting again. Blimey.

Nokkie73 Thu 02-May-13 13:23:53

Hi y'all

buzz ttc for four and a half years. MC in July 2009. First ivf attempt in March 2o13 (self funding). Me 39, 'im indoors 41. In for a hysteroscopy on 7th May. Hopefully go again in July (if I haven't gone mad or bankrupt by then).

twinks sorry about your bfn luv. But, and listen to me...YOU ARE NOT A fAILURE. Capiche ? We will have none of that talk around here. We all feel like this from time to time but we should block it out of our minds. You're strong and brave and trying to do something about all of this so that makes you just the opposite, in my book. Have a hug. Xx

jewcy well, would you bloody well believe it ?! So, you start taking the drugs on Sunday then ? Omg. What do you start with ?

crisps who is this idiot ? Mystic fucking Meg ? She deserves a poke in the eye and a Chinese burn for saying such stupid things. Yes, do add rage to your list of symptoms, especially when you meet fuckwits like that utter nork.

euro you are going to go again soon. How fucking exciting is that ?!!

I have a two hour meeting this afternoon. Ffs, I need that like a dose of piles.


EuroShaggleton Thu 02-May-13 13:48:38

It's starting to feel like it's soon, noks. Af is due next week, so then I'll be calling the clinic to book in my first scan. Let's hope my post-mc ovaries play ball.

BTW, you have an awesome turn of phrase. smile

Jewcy Thu 02-May-13 15:48:04

Yeah, Nokita, here's my schedule: I start the Cyclo-progynova on Sunday; from the 18th I start shoving progesterone capsules up my clunge twice a day (nice); 17th May I have an ultrasound scan to check thickness of uterus lining; 26th transfer cycle begins and I have another ultrasound scan (to check for cysts etc) and 'probing of the cervix'; 12th June is EC and 17th is transfer!

The exact dates of EC and embryo ET will be scheduled after the second scan of follicle sizes of the donor.

putthecrispsDOWN Thu 02-May-13 18:10:15

jewcy wow that's a plan if ever there was one. Have to say I like dates and stuff though, it gives me a break from all the endless waiting.

twinkle remember that it's just one period at a time...waiting sucks but the ivf magician people are pretty awesome...just remember that their success rates are based on treating people just like us who have been trying everything for years without it working. As jewcy said, hand it all over to the big guns and let them stress over it for a bit, they get paid enough!

noks I think we are potty mouthed twins. I try to be reserved on here and always start off calling people bumblefucks and then delete it and write something less offensive grin The lady in question is my boss and head teacher (I work in a secondary school). Am now an assistant head so need to grit my teeth and tolerate it but the people who like to patronise you and counsel you and give you their nonexistent plucked-from-nowhere wisdom don't half piss me off. Feeling very cheery today though as have a long weekend and a mini holiday to look forward to!

euro are you all set?

twinklestar2 Thu 02-May-13 22:30:12

Thanks everyone for lovely words. The consultant did say to us at our first appointment that his most successful patients are people like us: where the woman is young and the man just needs to make some lifestyle changes. So I just need to hold on to that.

I felt like shit yesterday and OH was positive; today it's the other way round! Argh this rollercoaster!

twinklestar2 Thu 02-May-13 22:37:18

Nok - 4.5 years is harsh. You so deserve your BFP and SOON.

Jewcy - I've recently realised that the IVF cycle is really really quick which makes me feel so much better. The end is in sight for you!

Euro - good luck for the next cycle. You're one of the first people I remember from the conception boards. I don't want to see you on here much longer!!!

buzzybee123 Thu 02-May-13 22:46:35

noks I did grin grin at your comments

twinkle it can hard to be on the same page, it will happen for you

jewcy sounds like a good plan to me

well I am now on my hols, I'm shattered and have so much to do, we leave on Saturday

twinklestar2 Thu 02-May-13 22:51:24

Thx buzzy and GOOD LUCK!!

It's hard because today we found out that close friends of OHs have sold their house today and are leaving london and moving to Oxford. They already have one child and are 7 months pregnant with number 2 - pregnant first month both time AND got married after us so double kick in the guts.

That was OUR plan. To have babies and move to Oxford sad So it feels like they're living our life while we're just stuck in limbo land.

buzzybee123 Thu 02-May-13 23:20:45

twinkle Oxford is over rated wink there is still time for you to have your babies and to move to where ever you want,

twinklestar2 Thu 02-May-13 23:36:39


Nokkie73 Fri 03-May-13 00:08:53

euro why, thank you. Here's to your ovaries and everything else playing ball for this cycle. Your hol should, hopefully, help. Xxx

jooooocie you are on the hardcore drugs and cycle programme now luv. No going back ! Try to enjoy it (easier than said, I know) but you will be well under way in a few days. It's well exciting, as we say down sarf.

crisps if I ever catch you not swearing and being generally potty mouthed on here, you will get a dig in the ribs. Swear. Rant. Rave. Swear some more. Swear just because you can. I think we have all been at the end of others 'wisdom' and this weird revisionist kind of fore-telling of history (if that makes sense !) because of the situation we find ourselves in. The 'Oooohhhhh, I just knew it would work for you this time' bullshit. Why ? Because you saw it in your tea leaves ? Because you have some sixth sense ? Because you saw it in your third fucking eye ? Bullshit hit you did luv. But, we grit our teeth and take it because if we do challenge this outrageous nonsense, we are accused of being too emotional or hysterical (and 'clearly' not coping). It's all bollocks, really. I think we end-up internalising a lot because of the lack of empathy shown to those in this situation.....maybe it will make us stronger in the end. It better had, or else I will spend the next thirty or forty years being a right bitch.

twinks thank you. That made me a bit teary you daft moo ! I have a friend who tried to empathise with my situ (she knew her and her other half would have difficulty conceiving so when they started to try, went straight to IUI and got diffed third try, after a total of three months trying). In the same period of time we've been trying, she has met a fella, got engaged, married, bought lovely house, had a year of enjoying marred life, and sprogged and yet is an expert in the emotional rollercoaster of ttc. Ffs. She's lovely and well meaning (but she does drive me mental sometimes). It's a bag of shit comparing our lives to others (especially when they have the ones we want) but we have to think that maybe our paths will take a turn that we didn't expect, but that doesn't mean we won't get to the end we want. Chin-up lass. You sound as though you are in good hands.

buzz go forth and be a train blazer for the de's amongst us. Will you have wifi where you are ? If not, sort it ! We are here to support you every step of the way. X

Where is motor ? I hope she's ok.

Noks xx

Nokkie73 Fri 03-May-13 00:11:13

buzz I meant a trail blazer. Ffs, don't mention trains around here !

twinklestar2 Fri 03-May-13 10:21:52

Thanks Nok, it IS hard and no one understands unless they've been through it. It's like a dull ache every day and a kick in the teeth everytime someone announces they're pregnant or you see a scan pic on Facebook it you see pics of the bloody duchess!

I tell people I just don't want to talk about it anymore. I know they're being well meaning but I can't hear 'relax', 'go on holiday' or don't think about'. One friend told me I was 'too stressed'. When I challenged her by saying it was fine, she said she could tell I wasn't fine and I had to stop stressing. I actually got stressed trying to stress to her I wasn't stressed!!

Another friend told me to tell me husband to take acid as 'that's what her mate did and he visualised the sperm meeting egg while he was tripping and the girl got pregnant'.

I mean, FFS, COME ON?!?!

EuroShaggleton Fri 03-May-13 10:34:14

crisps yes, I'm all set. It's just a case of monitoring to make sure my body is doing what it should for me. So it's all quite relaxed until I lose my shit at egg collection time .

twinks I know what you mean - I think I have served my time in purgatory!

I completely get what you mean. Some friends of ours started trying for #2 a month after we started ttc. They got diffed second month and are going to start trying for their third this summer. They have a lovely family and are lovely friends but I'm still going to cry out of frustration if they manage #3 before I can get there with my first (and probably only).

Acid you say? <gullible and willing to try anything at this stage>

buzz good luck! When will you be back?

noks how are you feeling? It's not long now to the hysteo, right?

Nokkie73 Fri 03-May-13 12:51:34

twinks that is proper bat shit crazy. Take acid and you'll get diffed ? Ffs.

euro hysto on Tuesday. I cannot wait. hmm. Still, at least the sun is shining and I am going to see my Bessie mate later. Happy days.

Where is everyone else !

Jewcy Fri 03-May-13 13:49:45

Twinks, your friend's suggestion is preposterous. What a crass thing to say.

Being an ancient fucker I find it very easy to hear pregnancy announcements as long as the woman is in her twenties or thirties. After all, this is the natural order of the universe; this is when women are supposed to be popping 'em out - fatties, smack-heads; the lot. However, woe betide some over-40 getting diffed within earshot and I seriously feel like killing myself.

What can we do? Fuck all. We have to keep pushing those thoughts from our minds which would tell us we are the anomalies it's never going to happen to. Where is the proof that we will never be mums? Where are the stats? Where is it written? Nowhere! Hurrah!

Thinking of you today, buzzy as you prepare to fly tomorrow..

Nokita, not sure where the fuck you are but it's a dark and [pregnant] sky o'er 'ere...

Jewcy Fri 03-May-13 14:04:29

Hey, buzzy, can you tell me about the couple of scans you must've had before you fly over? What can I expect to pay for a scan? How thick was your lining?

MotorcycleMama Fri 03-May-13 14:15:18

Hi nokkie and all of you. Sorry, I've gone a bit quiet. The good news is that my clinic came up with a potential donor 10 days or so after I enrolled on the egg share programme. Unfortunately I have had to turn the offer down due to genetic issues amongst others, which feels so wrong after praying for a quick result. I feel guilty about letting the donor down too, as she is bound to be going through hell with all of this lark too! Also, my DH has become quite distant, so I am feeling very alone. We are usually very close, and I know he is trying to do the right thing, but things just aren't right.
I am celebrating and commiserating with you all whenever I read your stories, but as you can see, I'm probably best not joining in when I feel like this! A soon as my mood has lifted enough to be sociable, I'll be chatting away as usual.
Love to you all. X

Jewcy Fri 03-May-13 15:17:03

Aw, bless you, motor, I'm thinking of you. Stay positive x

twinklestar2 Fri 03-May-13 17:17:58

Oh motor. Thinking of you and hope you're back soon x

Re my acid story. Can you believe it? I'm just trying to highlight the level of ridiculous stories I've had to put up with about getting pregnant.

Oh and the other one: just get drunk and have sex. Hmmmm my husband has been told by a consultant at a top hospital in London NOT to drink, but we should forget all that and just get drunk yeah?! Arrgghhh

buzzybee123 Fri 03-May-13 19:57:50

oh arse I just lost a post angry

noks I actually laughed out loud at your train comment grin I think you are one of the witty BESH ladies, I sometimes lurk on there

twinkle shock angry I think if someone esle said to me to relax its all stress related I would rip out their tongue and shove up their arse, why do people think comments like that are helpful

jewcy I haven't had any scan here perhaps I should have not sure if it would have helped my menkulling, I think they cost between £90- £150 depending on where you live. Not too long now for you

motor big hugs i'm sorry that you had to say no to your donor and that your husband is being distant, this is such an unnatural process and can be stressful, we are here for

Well I am packed, just a couple of little jobs to do tomorrow then we're off, I have been a bit snappy with Barry, hoping it doesn't get any worse hmm

twinklestar2 Fri 03-May-13 19:59:31


Jewcy Fri 03-May-13 21:21:09

Good luck, Buzzy! May all your dreams come true... xxx

buzzybee123 Fri 03-May-13 22:04:21

thank you ladies, I do feel rather calm at the moment, just hope it lasts

EuroShaggleton Fri 03-May-13 22:49:17

Good luck!

MotorcycleMama Sat 04-May-13 06:50:44

Thanks to jewcy twinkle buzzy nokkie - I feel like a different woman today! I've felt dreadful for a few days, and thanks to your kindness and having a chat with DH I'm feeling a lot better.
Best of luck buzzy!

MotorcycleMama Sat 04-May-13 07:04:22

And another thing.. Pineapple, which is said to be beneficial for implantation as it contains bromelain which is an anti-inflammatory - I am confused. I thought the 'pipelle', or uterine scratch procedure was thought to be beneficial due to the healing process that occurs after it. Surely the 'scratch' must cause some sort of inflammation, as do all injuries.
Any thoughts?

EuroShaggleton Sat 04-May-13 08:00:13

motor I'm glad you are feeling better today.

I've heard both that pineapple helps implantation and that it is bad for it! A friend of mine craved it in early pregnancy. I don't know what to think, tbh.

twinklestar2 Sat 04-May-13 10:47:43

Good to hear you're feeling better motorcycle smile

Jewcy Sat 04-May-13 11:11:23

Motor, I would rely on the scratch over pineapple. Great to hear you're a little more buoyant x

Two of the girls on FF who were both separately at ReproG this week are now home, both with two 5-day blastos on board. I shall be watching like a hawk...

MotorcycleMama Sat 04-May-13 18:13:57

Well the scratch is well researched and of proven benefit to implantation, so I'll leave the pineapples alone! Also, non-steroidal anti-inflammatories such as ibuprofen have an established link with miscarriange, though I think that is due to their effect on hormones rather than the anti-inflammatory bit.
I think that everyone who goes through all of this should end up with a diploma!

tametortie Sun 05-May-13 11:06:51

Hello all,

Sorry I havent posted in ages. The buserilin has left me in a bit of a fog, really moody, depressed, low etc sad Anyway, AF came and my mood lifted slightly and was able to feel a bit more positive. Just couldnt seem to shake the feeling of impending doom.

However, last month I took part in a trial with a consultant with expertise in miscarriage/implantation failure/IVF failure and I had a heparin flush to my womb which is meant to improve the womb lining for implantation. And suddenly my periods are normal! No more brown, scanty bleeding- proper red flow!! The floodgates opened and closed within 5 days and no shitty brown loss. This may or may not have something to do with the trial, but either way- was chuffed. Strange how this journey can make you happy about the stupidest things. Mulberry handbag? Holiday to the Maldives? Fuck off!! Give me a red period anyday!

So, anyway, I called Nurture and got booked in for a DR scan which is when the nerves start. I'm crap at down reg. Took 8 weeks the first time and 6 the next. Both times I developed cysts which scuppered everything and sent my estradiol sky high. Went for the scan on Wednesday and happy days!!! I have down regulated!!! If anyone else struggles with DR, this is what I did differently- very simple. The consultant told me to start the buserilin on day 18 rather than day 21- seemed to work. May be worth asking your clinic if its an option if you struggle with cysts/down regging.

So now I am on menopur 300iu a day till next Friday when I have a scan to check progress. Fingers crossed, should mean I have EC WB; 13th May. Please God, let there be eggs!!

How is everyone else? I have had a quick scan through....

Motor- I have had a scratch done. Make sure you take painkillers beforehand. Its a bit stingy.

Crisps- cant remember if I have said congrats but if i havent CONGRATS!!! Lovely result. Let us know how the scan goes xxx

tametortie Sun 05-May-13 11:09:53

Nokkie- We have been TTC for 6 years with one MC in 2008. The wait is hard and time is a bitch. We will also most likely be bankrupt by time the long awaited child is here. It better have a chequebook and pen in its hand when it does arrive hmm

Jewcy Sun 05-May-13 14:23:04

Guess what? I've had an email from the clinic in Brno and she has shortlisted two donors for us:

Donor A:
1) Blood group and Rh factor: 0+
2) Eyes: Brown
3) Hair: Brown
4) Height and Weight: 172 cm/59kg
5) Education: Student of Economics
6) Hobbies: History, Reading, In-line, Skiing, Swimming, , Theater, Cooking
7) Age: 24
She has donated once before – successfully.

Donor B:
1) Blood group and Rh factor: 0+
2) Eyes: Brown
3) Hair: Brown
4) Height and Weight: 170cm/60kg
5) Education: Student of Journalism
6) Hobbies: Reading, Writing, Movies, Dogs, Walking, Bike, Nature
7) Age: 23
She has donated once before – successfully.

Someone help me! They both seem ideal confused

MotorcycleMama Sun 05-May-13 15:02:23

Both sound great jewcy. Personally I'm more of a nature/walking kind of gal so I would lean towards B id it were me, but I personally don't believe that someones's hobbies makes a difference. Does it feel a bit weird making such a choice? Very exciting!

Jewcy Sun 05-May-13 16:16:37

Motor, it feels weird and not a little wrong sad

How the heck do I choose which woman is most likely to give us a baby? I don't care about her bloody hobbies.! sad

I'm leaning towards the economics student...I would love a nerdy son grin hmm

Jewcy Sun 05-May-13 16:20:49

Uuuuurgh!! My husband's sperm is going to fertilise another woman's eggs! It's like an affair! sad

Nokkie73 Sun 05-May-13 17:12:56

joooooosie it's the route to baybee in your tum tum so you can't think of it like that. I had no idea that you were given such specific lists for de. It's mind blowing.

tame it's brilliant that you have finally cracked DR. You are well on your way now which much be such a relief. Really excited for you. X

motor hello ! Glad to hear you are feeling a bit better about things. I'm like euro and heard different things about pineapple. I did eat a bit during my 2ww but if you're having the scratch, that it supposed to really help so I would go with that.

Waves to everyone else. What you all up to on this bank holiday weekend?

Noks x

tametortie Sun 05-May-13 19:07:50

Jewcy- this is a bit like blind date?! I like the sound of the nature loving one x

Jewcy Sun 05-May-13 20:18:34

We're going with the Economics student! She sounds like a complete nerd and far more likely to produce children who will become wealthy enough to provide for us in our old age grin

Jewcy Sun 05-May-13 20:20:06

Tame, good girl in cracking the downregging. You must feel great. I still don't know if I am currently 'downregging' on this Cyclo-progynova - am I?

Jewcy Sun 05-May-13 20:23:55

Nokkers, I have been with family all weekend and have just flopped down on me settee with a brew. My poor husband has to work tomorrow 'cos his company 'don't recognise tomorrow as a bank holiday' hmm

I intend to watch a cornucopia of horror movies I've recorded on SKY over t'weekend. What you up to, cock? X

Nokkie73 Sun 05-May-13 21:13:39

jooos was going to go out but 'im indoors fell asleep all fecking afternoon and has only just got up. He works nights so I can't be too harsh on him hmm.

Gearing-up for the op on Tuesday. Yikes.

Jewcy Sun 05-May-13 23:51:22

Nay, lass, thy don't have t'worry 'bout nowt, cock. You will be fine, my love, I swear...x

Nokkie73 Mon 06-May-13 00:52:36

Thanks joos . Funnily enough, I am totally zen about it. I'll do anything if it will help.

Have you made a decision re your donor ?

buzzybee123 Mon 06-May-13 09:38:59

hello from Brno ladies, its lovely here, small and quiet, not expensive and touristy, barry is off doing hid bit, I like the clinic staff are lovely.

jewcy good luck with your choice they both sound great. i'm not sure about the hobby stuff, to be honest you can't prove any of the info is correct grin i'm just taking my clinics word on the matter grin

tame DR is a bitch [sadthe wash out thing sounds interesting

noks good luck for tomorrows op

waves to everyone else

Jewcy Mon 06-May-13 10:50:03

Buzzy, good luck to your donor and Barry today! Thanks for letting us know how you are.

Nokkers, we've gone for nerdy donor A grin

chocoloco1 Mon 06-May-13 21:46:22

Hello! I think it's about time I came back on here, although I've been shamelessly lurking for the past 6 weeks! blush
I don't know a lot of you, apart from euro and noks, so hello!

noks hope your hystero goes well tomorrow, what time is your appointment? What is it to check for in particular?

euro what's going on with you at the moment? Are you still thinking June/July for treatment?

tame glad your DR has worked, it failed to work for me twice last year and I always wondered about the day it started on as day 21 didn't seem quite right for me with an average 23 day cycle.

jewcy exciting about your donor!

buzzy wow, it's really happening and you sound so chilled

motor sorry you've been feeling down and sorry that your donor didn't work out. When's your scratch being done?

crisps huge congrats, how are you feeling?

twinkle it certainly is a bloody rollercoaster! Your consultation sounds largely positive though

Sorry if I have got anything massively wrong, but there's a lot to check up on on here

I'm feeling more positive generally now although it's taken me quite a while since the m/c. We had our follow up appointment last Monday which was quite positive. We have paid a small fortune had some blood tests done - antibodies, clotting factors, chromosomes and not sure what else and should get results in 5 weeks. We are going to have a scratch done before our next cycle and he has suggested that we put our names on egg donor list as it's a year's wait. He also mentioned DHEA, but I'm really not sure about it as the side effects don't sound great. Does anyone have any experience of it?

twinklestar2 Mon 06-May-13 22:43:02

Welcome back Choco smile

Nokkie73 Mon 06-May-13 22:44:53

choco welcome back ! Lovely to hear from you. Sounds as though you are making progress with things which is really great. I did some research on dhea but decided against it in the end. The side effects were too uncertain for me too. I decided to take coq10, l'arginine, omega 3, maca, dong quai (not during period though) primrose oil (not after ovulation) as well as royal jelly and pregnacare. I literally rattle now. The hysteroscopy is to check to see if there's any scarring from the D&C after the MC (four years ago) which may have been preventing implantation. The consultant cannot be sure until he has a look but he wants to rule it out as an issue before we go again. I am so glad that you are feeling a bit more positive which is part of the battle sometimes. X

buzz cheers luv. Am thinking of you over there and am wishing you all the luck in the world. X

joos so you have picked then ! It's all becoming real now chuck. grin.

HOLA to everyone else.

Noks x

Jewcy Tue 07-May-13 14:08:30

Welcome back, Choco, I was just thinking about you t'other day.

Hiya everyone <sucker punches Nokkers affably> Have just been emailed the list of drugs I need for the transfer cycle. 'Tis all very exciting!

Not long now, buzzy!

Jewcy Tue 07-May-13 14:12:34

Noks, that affable sucker punch was to see you through your hystero. Come and tell us what they found like the remote control grin X

buzzybee123 Tue 07-May-13 16:24:38

hello ladies

choco welcome back, I did take the DHEA but I got it myself, not sure about side affects, i'm usually a moody mare grin although I did have lots of spots

jewcy what are they giving you drug wise

noks hope all went well today and that you are resting up

tame where are you up to in your cycle

big hello to motor and euro

well DH managed to fall down some stairs but no major damage, luckily he has done his bit
we got 10 eeeeggggggs from the donor, she is a good girl. 7 were mature and 7 have fertilised, ET is 10.30 on Saturday, I might call tomorrow or the day after and see how the septuplets are doing smile thank you for your support lovely ladies

MotorcycleMama Tue 07-May-13 17:42:03

That's great news buzzy !! I can't wait to hear how your lovely eggs get on.
AFM, I'm okay - just impatiently waiting for a suitable donor, and sure now that I will ask about proven fertility etc.

buzzybee123 Tue 07-May-13 17:49:03

motor I don't think my donor is proven or not, didn't ask really, I for some reason thought you were doing ivf with another ivf couple confused not sure where I got that from, hopefully soon it will be you

MotorcycleMama Tue 07-May-13 19:13:34

buzzy I am really not sure what I am entitled to ask about the donor, or how much any of it matters confused. Pleased it seems to be all going swimmingly for you so far though, so I'll keep hope.

EuroShaggleton Tue 07-May-13 20:36:29

choco I'm taking it as a good sign that you know so few of us after a mere 6 week absence! Welcome back! I'm glad you are feeling a bit better. I hope moving forward with tests is helping that process.

We're actually planning to go again in May, as soon as AF arrives. It should be later this week, all things being equal, but for once I'm not 100% confident of my cycle. 2ww symptoms have been weaker since the mc and for the first time ever this cycle, I didn't get a biphasic temp chart. I'm hoping it's due to my thermometer giving up from over use, rather than because I didn't ovulate, but I am anxious for AF to come so I can be sure.

Wow buzz! 7! I hope the septuplets are doing well.

I think often here people egg share as there are not many altruistic donors as the compensation payments are so low (although they have recently gone up a bit).

Noks how are you feeling?

I hope everyone else is doing well. I had a lovely bank holiday weekend at the in-laws' place in the South of France. It was lovely. We even made it to the beach one day!

Now we are back I am completely wigging out about tomorrow. I'm not sure if I've mentioned it on here, but I have a (hopefully benign) cyst on my face. It has been growing very slowly for about 3 years. It has to go before it gets too large but I have a bit of a scar phobia, so knowing that this is the last day of my life that I will be without a scar on my face is really upsetting me. Still, at least it is distracting me from the fertility stuff. hmm

tametortie Tue 07-May-13 20:38:00

Buzzy All sounds like its going well in Brno- 100% fertilisation is great!! Im fascinated by your trip as it may be an option for us in the future if things dont work out. When you get time, could you tell me about tests, consultations etc, that you had to get to where you are now? Things like how many trips etc. Too many trips would be difficult for us with DD but would be good to think about. Saw a couple on the internet recently that were organising trips to Brno, like an agent- did you book it all yourself?

Hello choco smile sorry to hear about your mc sad are you currently looking at more treatment?

Nok Hope all went well today and you arent too sore.

Hello to everyone else smile

I have a very sore tummy here sad 2 more days of menopur 300iu before a scan, I think I will pop. Feel very uncomfortable. If I sit down too hard it feels like someone has shoved an electric probe up my fanjo.

Oh well- hope its a good sign hmm

buzzybee123 Tue 07-May-13 21:35:05

euro glad you had a lovely weekend, I think we had ICSI which I am not keen on but feel we are running out of options, as for scars, bio oil is good

tam I didn't do as much as I should have like a scan etc before we left, this is my first time out here, you could have svans and blood tests before you leave or they will do them when you arrive, they are great at comminicating with you, sent me over prescriptions etc. I had a fertility MOT so had already had the blood tests so just gave them a copy. DH hadn't done a SA since August hmm, I can give you more info but hopefully you won't need it smile

Jewcy Tue 07-May-13 21:42:22

Tame, sorry to but in where you have actually addressed buzzy, but I can tell you I'm flying to Brno in June for DE IVF and there have been no prior trips, consultations; nothing. Everything has been done via email with the clinic coordinator who has been fantastically efficient. I can't believe how easy it has all been so far. It has helped enormously that I found a ReproGenesis (my clinic) cycling Buddies forum on FF. I've gleaned all sorts of great stuff about others' experiences and where they stayed and where best to get scans etc.

Buzzy, magnificent news about the Magnificent Seven. Truly wonderful, I'm so chuffed for you. Here are my drugs: Prednisolone 5mg;
Folic Acid (10mg); Progynova 2mg; Cetrotide 0,25mg inj; Ovitrelle/Gonasi.

My scan is booked for next Saturday (18th) to measure thickness of lining etc and the flights to Prague are now booked!

Jewcy Tue 07-May-13 21:42:34


twinklestar2 Tue 07-May-13 21:46:11

Good luck with the 7 buzzy!

Good luck with the cyst removal euro and I have my fingers crossed for your IVF this month.

tametortie Tue 07-May-13 21:54:47

wow!! Thanks buzzy and jewcy xxx how amazingly easy??!! Worth noting...just in case =)

Jewcy Tue 07-May-13 21:56:27

euro, I have a scar right in the middle of my forehead where a coked-up ex-boyfriend head-butted me and split it open. It was fucking nasty and I just was distraught at the sight of it and the knowledge that I'd be scarred for life. Guess what? I'm not. I look ace grin and Bio Oil is effing brilliant; does exactly what it says on the tin. Your surgeon will be brilliantly delicate and, in no time at all, you'll be feeling daft that you worried this much. I promise.

Jewcy Tue 07-May-13 21:59:48

Tortie, it is only this easy because we don't have all the monitoring and scanning and stimming like women who are using their own eggs. The donor has all that hassle grin All we need to be sure of is that we have a beautifully accommodating womb lining and that our cycle synchronises with the donor's. Simples!

EuroShaggleton Wed 08-May-13 07:38:10

Thanks Jewcy. It is helpful to hear that.

Jewcy Wed 08-May-13 09:28:20

You're welcome, euro, good luck today x

Nokster, love, where are you? I am worried.

Jewcy Wed 08-May-13 13:03:42

Had my blood tests (prolactin, TSH, HIV 1 + 2, Hep B, Hep C, Syphilis) but naughty GP manager won't prescribe my transfer cycle drugs after all (boo!) - will have to get them online from fertility2u (sigh). First World problems though, eh..

buzzybee123 Wed 08-May-13 16:09:58

jewcy the clinic can send you a prescription and the name of some pharmacies here that will prescribe your drugs, there is an excellent place in shadwell

chocoloco1 Wed 08-May-13 19:48:11

Evening ladies smile How's everyone?

noks hope you're ok after the hystero?

jewcy good that you have your list of drugs, but pants that you will have to pay for them

buzzy 7 eggs, you must be chuffed. Have you 'phoned again to check?

euro how are you doing after your op? Hope you're not feeling too bad. Great news about starting again very soon.

tame how are you doing? Is your scan tomorrow or Friday?

Nothing new from me, apart from being ridiculously pleased that I'm on 21 and AF hasn't arrived yet , like it did last month!

EuroShaggleton Wed 08-May-13 20:18:24

Noks I hope you are doing ok.

choco my bumpectomy was actually fine although I was kerazy stressed about it , although it is v odd talking to someone while they delve around inside your forehead. hmm The scar is not a bad size and quite close to the hairline, although it looks a bit wonky. He has put a tiny flesh coloured dressing on it, so I might go into work. I had arranged to work from home as I was expecting to feel very self-conscious but it is actually fine as the dark stitches are completely covered.

putthecrispsDOWN Wed 08-May-13 20:21:12

Hi all...sorry for the absence, went away for the weekend. Feel a bit naughty staying on here now but really want to see the positive results I hope you'll all get soon.
buzzy 7 fertilised is amazing! Can't wait to hear how you get on!
jewcy there's always a thread on fertility friends that explains where the drugs are the cheapest.
euro hooray for being close to starting again. I agree about the bio oil...I had skin cancer about 6 years ago (because I haven't quite spent enough time i hospital, obviously) and it has lightened some huuuuge scars on my legs. You can hardly see them now.

tame thinking about you for your scan...I absolutely dread them because I'm always disappointed, no matter what is there. The woman could tell me I've got sixteen ovaries and three hundred follicles and I'd still be disappointed. Hope things are working, are you feeling like the hormones are kicking in yet? It took me bloody ages but I got there in the end.

noks how are you doing? You'll like this... I met a ridiculously rude woman this wkend that set my sweariness off... Was sat by the park while dd was playing trying not to be sick (morning sickness, glad and grateful to have it but it has been a bit of a fucker lately). Rude woman asks 'are you ok?' me- yes, morning sickness, am ok. Rude woman-how far along are you? Me-a couple of months (exaggerating due to ivf fatness of belly) woman-oh, you are big aren't you. Me- um, it's an ivf thing, I put the weight on during ivf. Woman-well how did you put so much weight on over just a couple of weeks? Biiiiiiiitch. Im not even that big!! Probably size 16 but so what?! Lovely tolerant DH intervened at this point and distracted me so we walked off somewhere. I then changed my mind, walked back past her and called her a 'rude fucker' quite loudly. Ha! No matter how awesome things get, some idiot always comes along and tries to piss on my parade!
Sorry for mammoth post! Had some catching up to do!

chocoloco1 Wed 08-May-13 20:23:00

That's good news *euro. Sounds like a weird experience, when will you get the results?

chocoloco1 Wed 08-May-13 20:26:35

crisps that bloody woman, how rude! Think I'd have gone mad! Nice to see you on here still, it gives me hope too.

EuroShaggleton Wed 08-May-13 20:28:01

choco the surgeon isn't even going to bother sending it for histology. He was confident it was just an unusually hard cyst. He even cut into it while I watched. Half of it was filled with pus (which is what you normally expect in a cyst. The other half was crunchy! Somehow the contents had calcified or something. But it was just a cyst, apparently.

crisps I can't believe that woman! How bloody rude! I'm glad you told her so.

chocoloco1 Wed 08-May-13 20:40:57

Great news euro

Nokkie73 Wed 08-May-13 20:57:32

Hi all

I am fine, ta. The hysteroscopy didn't go ahead yesterday as a pre-op test revealed that by some miracle, I have managed to get myself pregnant. I had a scan today and I am 5+5. The yolk sac is there and I saw a flickering heartbeat too. I literally am stunned. It was the post-ivf mercy shag wot did it. M'lud.

I am so stunned that I even forgot to swear. So, joos I didn't find a remote control.....but something else was lurking in there instead.....

It's obviously early days so I am being cautious. I am just in a state of complete and utter shock.

Noks xx

P.s. sorry for the lack of name checks.

buzzybee123 Wed 08-May-13 21:06:53

nokkie how fecking fabulous is that, what a fab way to find out grin grin grin

crisps what a rude cow, I would have saaid how did you get to be so stupid angry I can not believe people are so rude to strangers

euro shock shock at him cutting up your bump but good to know that there is nothing to worry about

buzzybee123 Wed 08-May-13 21:09:23

choco I forgot to call the clinic today shock blush blush have set an alarm on my phone to remind me for tomorrow

putthecrispsDOWN Wed 08-May-13 21:14:08

nokkie you bloody LEGEND!!! Genuinely, that is the most awesome thing I've heard in bloody ages. And guess what... I'm exactly 5+5 too. So now we have potty mouthedness and babies in common!! Don't know if you have googled it yet but the websites have my due date as 3 Jan...

I know what you mean about the disbelief. I do a hpt every couple of days. Hoping scan next week will help me to see it more realistically. Will you get to have a scan before 12wks now or will you have to wait because you beat the system grin xx

putthecrispsDOWN Wed 08-May-13 21:14:48

And buzzy no news is good news! Hope you get some good results tomorrow. X

Nokkie73 Wed 08-May-13 21:25:39

Thanks crisps ! How fecking bizarre is that ? Got another scan on 29th May. I forgot to ask about due dates today. I just marvelled at the fact the consultant was soooo lovely and actually asked if it was ok before shoving the FOOF cam about the place. To be honest, I was so surprised i was in there in the first place, as I thought I was in some sort of weird dream sequence and would be woken-up by the cat jumping on my head.

MotorcycleMama Wed 08-May-13 21:27:11

nokkie Wow!! What a wonderful surprise! So pleased for you.

putthecrispsDOWN Wed 08-May-13 21:48:57

nokkie very bizarre but cool. I hate the camera thing. It's the way they lube it up in front of you <shudders>. I bet your date will be similar to mine. I'm on an ivf worriers thread in the pregnancy bit too, come on over. Everyone there is ragey and unreasonably mentalling too grin.

chocoloco1 Wed 08-May-13 22:16:55

Fooking hell noks that is fan fucking tastic news, am chuffed to bits for you! grin at the cat jumping on the head comment. Did you have any suspicions you might be pregnant? Am definitely going to add to my list of vitamins from the ones you were taking. Wow.

chocoloco1 Wed 08-May-13 22:18:08

buzzy you forgot?! confused

MotorcycleMama Wed 08-May-13 22:26:43

nokkie please look back to your post on 21st April - maybe we should trust our instincts more often!

Jewcy Wed 08-May-13 22:27:44

Noktavia!!! You are bloody well having us on!! Fuck off!!! <faints>

Jewcy Wed 08-May-13 22:48:53

...wow. Just...wow....gringringrin

Jewcy Wed 08-May-13 22:49:52

DH: Jewcy, I don't even know this woman! Shut up! grin

twinklestar2 Wed 08-May-13 22:56:51

Nok - I've been crying on the way home from a night out after my mate announced she's pregnant after trying for 2 months but your post made me smile smile Conrgratulations!

Nokkie73 Wed 08-May-13 23:38:01

twinks thank you. I do hope I haven't made you feel worse. Xx

motor well fook me ! I had forgotten all about that post. That's so weird. Well spotted, eagle eye.

choco thank you luv ! I also had a few reflexology sessions. I got all my drugs from the interweb as they are cheaper than holland and barrett, who are robbing bastards.

jooos you fucking nutter grin. You made me laugh out loud. I ain't kidding. I still can't quite believe it myself.

It's still early days and I will be cautious because of what happened before. I also am conscious of what you are all going through, so I don't want to detract from that at all, and certainly don't want to crap on about me all the time. If it's all the same to you, can I stay around here for a bit?


twinklestar2 Thu 09-May-13 00:40:28

No you haven't made me feel worse, I'm genuinely happy for you!

tametortie Thu 09-May-13 06:52:50

Noks WOW!!! amazing!!!! The stuff of dreams...... grin

Scan tomorrow [prays they find a baby and not just loads of follicles...]


keepitgoing Thu 09-May-13 07:01:45

Wowee noks that's Amazing!!! Huge congratulations, and you've missed out on a couple of weeks of mentalling too! X

Jewcy Thu 09-May-13 10:45:41

Nokkolas, wait a minute...don't leave, I need answers:

1) How the fuck did this happen?
2) How the fuck did this happen?!
3) How the f......??!!

You get my drift. Seriously, how many days post-IVF BFN did you ovulate? How much sex did you have and when? I know you've been TTC for a millenia four years, but remind me: what were the issues? Your AMH was shite, right? Do you reckon it has taken four years for a decent egg to be expelled from th'ovaries? Tell us everything you can about this miracle. And it is a miracle - get thee to a church pronto for some slavish thank yous grin

Jewcy Thu 09-May-13 10:47:24

P.s..I am currently downregging. At what point am I able to get preggo a la Shazzamatazz?

Nokkie73 Thu 09-May-13 10:58:04

Thanks, tame and keeps (nice to see you back round these parts !)

joos you frigging nutcase ! Let me make a cuppa and I shall tell you. I have no idea whether it made any difference, or whether the ivf drugs just shook things up a bit, but I will gladly share, just in case it can help.

Right, am brewing up now. Back in a min.

keepitgoing Thu 09-May-13 11:02:41

It can't be coincidence, can it? Can it? Maybe you had some leftover juicy eggs...

Did you not realise you'd missed a period?! How long could you have gone ;)

Jew I think shaz was 9 days in, and another lady on our thread just joined us, bfp at 3 days in to DR.

Jewcy Thu 09-May-13 11:36:47

keep, thanks. Ought I be having sex then? hmm I thought these HRT pills shut everything down, no? <thick> It's strange but, you know, I think I saw stretchy egg white on the bog paper before. Either that, or a snail's taken residence in my knickers.

NokkAyeTheNoo, have you had to travel twelve miles across parched deserts to fetch water from a well to make this bastard brew?

Nokkie73 Thu 09-May-13 11:46:50

keeps I really don't know. I wish I did. I still can't believe it. I never thought I would ever get pregnant again. I didn't miss a period - I had two in the space of a week, hence my shock. I guess it was implantation bleeding. I was a raging maniac so thought it could quite feasibly be because of my two periods. X

joos ok, here's what I did.

Gave up smoking on 1st Jan 2013 and went onto an electric cigarette. Didn't have anything during the 2ww and I have completely given-up now, obviously.

Gave-up having fizzy drinks, apart from the odd Elderflower Presse when I was out, especially if i wasn't drinking.

Gave-up white wine, apart from the odd occasion, and went onto red. I drank quite a lot of white before (but heard that it could affect your fertility more than most alcohol). I cut right down on the drinking but would have a glass of red whenever I fancied it, because the process was stressful enough without giving up the booze completely.

If I got any shop bought food, it would be from a decent place like M&S where you know what's in it. I don't eat meat anyway (but do eat fish) so I guess this was a bit easier for me.

Drank at least one cup of green tea per day. The proper stuff, not from a bag.

Took pregnacare and royal jelly every day. I have actually been taking the royal jelly since the middle of last year but upped the dosage at the start of this year.

Had regular acupuncture (once a fortnight/three weeks). Some weeks I couldn't have it but didn't get too stressed if I couldn't make an appointment.

Since the failed ivf, I started taking evening primrose oil (it says you shouldn't take it after ovulation - oops.). Dong quai (not during your period), l'arginine, coq10, omega 3 fish oils and maca. As I got pregnant so quickly after the ivf, I am not sure that I could say they made all the difference. Who knows.

I went to reflexology every couple of weeks.

Tried to go to yoga a couple of times a week, at least.

Now I sound like a proper preachy twat. I am sorry if I come across like that - I don't mean to. I have only been pregnant for five minutes and it's early days, so basically I know jack shit about anything.


Nokkie73 Thu 09-May-13 11:49:22

joos you are a hard task master. I tried to remember everything and at my age, it's fucking hard ! Besides, the bus to Ceylon went the long way round.

Nokkie73 Thu 09-May-13 11:54:05

Oh yeah, my AMH was 1.1, so proper dog shite. We had sexy times about three times, and one of those was a couple of mornings ago so we were hardly at it like rabbits. He works nights during the week so it's hard to dtd loads. I don't know exactly how many days post ivf I ovulated as I hadn't received the ovulation sticks that I ordered from Amazon. I think it may have been about ten odd days but am really not that sure.

buzzybee123 Thu 09-May-13 12:23:50

choco you can slap my wrist for forgetting but i'm in holiday mode wink

so the steroids are keeping me up had a falling out with a so called friend, like I really need that right now

anyway clinic say on day 3 we have one at 10 cells, 2 at 8 cells and 2 at 7 cells, not really sure what is actually happen, I suppose I will find out on Saturday

waves to everyone

keepitgoing Thu 09-May-13 12:50:38

jewcy they'd have been pg before starting the DR, just too early to know.

Good luck buzzy, all sounds good

Nokkie73 Thu 09-May-13 12:52:26

buzz sounds as though you are making good progress. They are taking them to day 5 blasts then ? Wtf has decided to fall out with you now ? Honestly, I bet you need that like a hole in the head.

Are you still managing to have a nice time in Brno ? Xx

Jewcy Thu 09-May-13 12:56:54

Thank you, Saint Nokktius <idolatrous>

Noks I just popped in cause I hadn't heard from you and thought I'd check if you are ok and then........

Oh my goodness. I'm so happy for you. This is absobloodylutely fuckity fuck fuck amazing news. gringringringringringringringringrin My day just got a whole load better. Many many congrats to you and Mr Noks. Another miracle. I'm really thrilled. In fact I'm abit choked.

Massive hello to everyone else.

I don't know many people over here but I wish you all loads of luck on your journeys.

Loads of love
Shazzamattazza x