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I was on a thread already..with my friends RedRobin1,wee,twinkle,Alex...but now I can't find them..so hopefully they will find me!!I'm on my second round of Clomid TTC a third and final child.I have PCOS and one tube due to an eptopic so the trying part has not been so easy!!Just wanting to talk with others going through the same ordeal as me.Wanting to concieve and share the experience..it can be a long,difficult road.Hope to char with someone soon!!

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Hi Kerry!

I like your thread title! Let's get those BFPs this year

I'm TTC no 2 - not same story as yours but maddening in its own way. Had mc at 12 weeks in Oct and, well, am 40 so who knows...

Currently driving self slightly crazy with the Clear Blue Fertility Monitor - which seems to just show highs this month - ug. But I guess you might not be using one, since I've read it's not so useful for those with PCOS? Mind you, I'm not sure all this CB stick pissing is helping me, either. It sort of gives me a vague sense of control, but also doom .

So how is it all going at your end?

Hi Kerry I found you! I've told the rest you're over here, the other thread is nearly full now anyway!

Hi goby sorry about your mc. I'm on clomid, have pcos, ttc #1. First cycle clomid, trying to get my body to ovulate - and it looks like it did based on a scan, an OPK and day 21 tests woop! I'm now 9dpo and have had brown spotting this week but not sure what it is (obvs praying for implantation bleeding!) Anyway that's me!

Hi again kerry. Just marking my place in the new thread.

Marking my place too.

Me too! CD1 here - hello Go wishing you lots of luck too - am just beginning first AF after erpc in Feb so am full of hope (again) and wishing for a dc2 as well!

Nice one on the dtd last night red as you say, it's the sperm that counts!!!

Now who's next to POAS...?!

Maybe me on Sunday?! Although I'm only 11dpo then so probably too early?

Felt like Christmas when I saw your responses!So excited..I had no one to talk to for days!!!Hi Goby!!You are right I do not use the OPK,if I got myself started on those I'd probably drive myself crazy too!!Glad you found me Alex...if I lose you guys again is this what I do,start a new thread?Thingy hope all is well with you!!Good to see my familiar names twinkle;)Sorry to hear of your loss Adsum..hope is a beautiful thing..and I have hope too,for us all!!Hope red finds me over here...what other threads are you guys on?Just tickled I found you all and I can't wait for the first one of us to get that BFP!!!!2nd round of Clomid 50mg starts tomorrow..joy!!

Alex the brown spotting is quite promising..I'll keep my fingers crossed!!!

Ah kerry haha don't worry we're here! Can you see where it says 'I'm on' near 'threads' at the top of the page? Just log in and click on that and you'll be able to find this thread. Otherwise we'll be wasting time putting up missing person posters when we could be dtd

Oh and thanks about the brown spotting, I did just read someone saying it can be a chemical pregnancy. I will drive myself crazy soon am having a glass of wine with DH tonight and feeling a bit guilty that it might affect hormones - what do you guys think? So hard to give up when we're doing something so stressful!

Hi kerry we found you
Marking my spot.

Ooh good luck alex for Sunday if you decide to POAS - I don't think 11dpo is too early!

alex 2 more days to go till you can POAS? 11dpo sounds like a good time to test. Fx

Ads good to hear AF finally made an appearance.

I have LOADS of ewcm. Grapefruit juice is working miracles this time. Shame DH is snoozing again. Tomorrow he's not going to know what's hit him.

I only on cd 9 though and have loads of pre OV pain yesterday, I wonder if I am ovulating early. Don't feel like doing any OPKs yet. Just don't feel like peeing on any sticks.

Good luck Alex with POAS.

Red I remember using grapefruit juice one month and having loads of EWCM too. It's mad how it works!

Cd23 here. BFP due next Friday.

Marking place, off to bed <yawn> talk to you all in the morning. Nighty night

winkle I had it last summer but was also taking epo then. But weirdly it had no effect then. This time around (tmi alert ) I have actually had to change knickers twice because they were soaking wet. God! Sound like some porn novel! But no really it's amazing stuff.

Off to bed now.

Ps. Linking from the other thread alex I have pre recorded 'we bought a zoo' on Sky. Looks like a good film to watch!

Good luck with poas alex, I'm really excited for you.
red how much grapefruit juice do you have to drink to make a difference? My EWCM isn't always great and only really appeared last cycle so that could help me out.
DP has set out of his plans again this cycle. He's determined to get me pregnant. Every other day dtd throughout the month is his plan this time. He does make me smile with his dedication to the TTC process.
Good luck to everyone waiting to poas, ovulate, starting clomid or waiting for AF to finish. Hopefully this is the last thread we will need.

I got NO ewcm but clomid is known to dry that up, I'm going to try grapefruit juice too next cycle!

red we bought a zoo is really good! And Matt Damon's on my lamenated list

Love how supportive all of our men are being about the ttc process! thingy yours sound committed to this cycle!

thingy I drink small glass (approx 250ml) of grapefruit and i only started drinking it the day AF finished (cd7)
Starting to even like the stuff.

Doing headboard stands as I type. Another dtd down

we only have access to each other on weekends now. So I guess we will manage only 3 dtds before OV. I will be away in a hotel when the egg drops next week. No idea if we will catch it!

Good work red you weekend porn star! Made me laugh about you having to change your knickers!

Ps remember swimmers live a few days

I drink the juice first thing in the morning with breakfast. And you even get the juice boxes in a 2 for 3 deal in supermarkets. I will keep drinking it till OV finishes.

Looking forward to some Matt Damon tomorrow

Any symptoms today alex?

Thanks! I'll send DP out to get some when he wakes up. If he asks why I'll say its for my EWCM and he'll nod along not really knowing or wanting to know either.
I hope you catch that egg red. It can't be easy when you work away so much. We find it difficult enough navigating through the "can't be arsed/too tired" excuses so it must be really tricky for you to plan.

When do you thing the egg will drop red?

I've got a very slight cold so of course am seeing that as a symptom. Boobs a bit sore but only when I squeeze them really hard which is bound to hurt! I'm really tired and feel a bit dizzy when I stand up but that could just be hormones. Bit crampy but that could be AF. So inconclusive over here! I don't think I'd believe it if I did get a BFP, sort of feel like it's a fantasy sometimes and if it actually happened I'd be ecstatic!

Sorry meant think not thing!

Ooh baby brain?! haha

You sound like you are in the typical 2ww symptom spotting hell. Hope she doesn't come this month! Dizziness and tired feeling is a good sign

App says egg will drop Wed. Will dtd sun night - just hope the spermies hang on till wed!

Is there anything that makes grapefruit juice taste nice?? I cant stand it but dh likes it so there's loads in the fridge. But I'm willing to try everything this cycle

So they've got to hang around for 2 and a half to 3 days then red? Def do-able for the good ones and they're the ones you want! Keep your legs closed so none escapes! I'd def do the whole legs in the air bit after dtd to get them snugly up there to hang around.

wee you could try mixing it with another juice to mask the taste a bit? I like any juice. Not sure if I've said but I often put spirulina in my juice too (algae) as it's meant to be so good for you (am willing to try anything) Not for the faint hearted though. Bottoms up!

Alex <boak> you are a braver woman than me! think ill go try mixing it with whatever else we have. Not algae though

Wee you could mix with vodka and cranberry to make a cocktail?!

Great idea winkle wonder if that would work with my spirulina...algae cocktails anyone?

Haha wee honest it's not too bad. I used to barf initially but now gotten used to the taste. Won't go as far as saying I love it but its not too bad after you get used to it.

Could you add sugar to it? Although not good for the diet. Cranberry mix sounds like the best bet. Or down it like a tequila shot

I'd take grapefruit over tequila any day!

What the hell is algae in juice alex heeeehee the things we do for ttc! What does that do? I am curious.

Another trick is to pinch your nose and drink it. Apparently not having the sense of smell reduces the taste buds. It's worked for me before.

Haha red it's meant to have all these vitamins and amino acids in (more than any food or something) and last year I was having a 90 day cycle and had a shot of it in a drink at a healthy juice bar for a couple of days running and got AF. So I now think it helps hormones. I know, crazy right? Oh no, am I one step away from fertility chanting and spells?!? Argh.

Just had my grapefruit and its not that bad actually. Unfortunately I sent DP to get it so its all from concentrate but it'll have to do.
I second holding your nose and drink it through a straw to avoid most of your tongue.

OK so holding my nose and downing a big glass is the way to go still have the rotten aftertaste but I can live with it.

Alex it sounds a bit strange, but it obviously worked for you! Yay algae

Hahaha drinking out of a straw thingy

alex now that you explain the benefits it doesn't sound so nasty, at least it helps regulates hormones.

I tried a fresh grapefruit fruit last year. Was so bad I had to eat a spoon of sugar to get the taste out. Was very high on energy after

Funny story - DH tried to snog me today. He didn't know I had just downed a glass of the grapefruit juice. He pulled away in an instant and his face looked like he had been sucking on a lemon!

Hmm I think it might be more coincidence that I got AF straight after I started drinking it!

Haha that's funny about your DH red bet he wasn't expecting such a bitter kiss!

Another little tip - it's meant to be good for men to have things like oysters and Brazil nuts, stuff with zinc and selenium. I bought chocolate covered Brazil nuts for DH to smuggle them into his diet without making a bit thing out of it haha!

Quick quezzie- were you all this bonkers before ttc?!!!
Hmmm... actually I was but in a different way...

Lol @ reds dh and at Brazil nut smuggling - very cunning I might try that...

ads mmmm quite possibly slightly less bonkers, but not much. I always like to give 100% effort to worthy causes ha! And sorry if I make no sense, dh got me some pink fizz and I started early. Don't usually drink so should be fun later

Good for you wee - you have inspired me! I'm going to crack open a bottle now...!

Hmmm...grapefruit juice sounds much more appealing than cough syrup...I actually bought the cough syrup with intention of drinking it for more ewcm but decided that didn't sound safe.I'm already taking chances with Metformin and Clomid well AF is gone so time to get busy again!!Ovulation shouldn't be here for me until closer to the end of the month-I hope the egg drops from the side that has a tube.So many obstacles..if this happens it will truly be a miracle from God 0:-) Good luck friends...create life!!!

Good luck kerry - sometimes luck (and God) is on our side

Had a lovely glass of Chablis and fell asleep on the sofa!! I was exhausted so it was nice to feel sleepy (had a few bad nights sleep recently) and the monster slept til late too - bliss! CD3 here... Still a few days until operation pregnancy number 4 gets under way...

Fingers crossed kerry the egg will pop from your good tube.

Glad you had a good nights sleep ads I had a late night and early morning so feel very shattered

BFP!!!!!!!!!!! Only dpo 11 so too early to celebrate really, but amazing!!!

Wow! Congratulations Alex! A BFP on your first ovulating cycle is amazing. Looks like all that spotting was due to implantation then.

Thank you thingy I honestly think I'm in shock, I'd got so used to disappointment and feeling crap over the past 15 months that I can't believe this!! I'm trying to stop myself getting carried away as I'm well aware it's high risk anyway, but maybe more so because of clomid, PCOS and my cervix issues...but it really is brilliant! Of course am going to stick around here a) because it's too early to get excited and move on and b) because I really want to support you all until you get your BFPs and graduate to antenatal with me! Think you'll be soon behind me especially with your DH's determination this cycle! x

Congratulations alex I am so happy for you! All of your 2ww symptoms were true so so pleased!

Needed to hear some good news and you've given me some hope that it will happen...

Thanks red it's amazing how everything goes from heartbreaking to hopeful so quickly. See algae is the way forward joking!!

With all this grapefruit juice flowing I think more good news is on it's way for this thread!

Aw, it really gives me hope when one of us graduates. Hopefully we'll all join you soon.

Congrats Alex, I was optimistic for you with implantation as I'd had exactly the same thing with my dd1 and a lovely straightforward pregnancy after so fx for you

Alex woohoo really pleased for you!

Wow congrats Alex!!

Congratulations Alex! It all sounding so promising. You deserve it after 15 months of TTC. Is this your first?

Found you all!
Fab news Alex!
For some insane reason I decided to do a test mid-afternoon today (was just feeling preggo although I'm only about 5dpo!!) and of course it was BFN but was quite fun to POAS for a giggle. Not quite sure what I was thinking but have been symptom spotting for past few days, particularly a pokey feeling in my uterus which of course could only be implantation. lol. Might try POAS again on Thursday. Funny business this ttc lark!

Thanks all of you! Am feeling a bit funny in the sense that I'm trying to hold myself back from getting too excited as it's such early days - but at the same time, I'm just thrilled that I managed to ovulate and get a BFP after so long of being upset with my body for not working. I am just keep long everything crossed it sticks. It would be my first winkle. Am going to test again in the morning.

someday I tested at 6dpo and it was negative so don't give up hope! I really hope you all get there soon. I've been hanging around mumsnet for ages and can't believe it's me saying I've got a BFP. It WILL be all of you too x

Congratulations Alex!!!!!The new thread was your good luck Cheers for Algae,grapefruit juice and Brazilian nuts!!!This news has really made my St Patricks Day...Hooray!!!!

Just seduced dh while Ds is napping. Role reversal for a change as I never usually get the chance before he does it first heehee winkled and tinkled and hoping to do it every day til he leaves on Thursday night.

And I think the epo might be helping the ewcm. I've noticed some the last 2 days and I'm on cd11 today.

Hi I'm a newbie to this board, is it ok if I join in? I want a 2013 BFP so seems like the place to suit me...I'm just starting on the process of TTC DC3 with my now DH. DCs1 &2 from ex-P. It's an uncertain road, there's a gpod chance we won't ever get a BFP - DH currently doesn't produce sperm, and has recently started on hormone therapy to see if we can get some! I've just started being put through the battery of fertility checks, and hoping for some boxes ticked at least from my quarter. Can't talk about it to anyone in RL so would be good to have some MN hands to hold!

Wow, if any of you have issues with not producing enough EWCM just drink grapefruit juice. Seriously, I'm only on CD9 and I have loads... an embarrassing amount. Thanks for the suggestion red. I'm starting to think that maybe my hormones have started to work properly.
Snap weechops. I'm putting mine down to the grapefruit juice but it could be the soy (which I'm also blaming for digestion issues ).
Go for it wee! Catch that egg. We are trying every other day all throughout the cycle and every day when I see a positive OPK.
Hi lacernella. Welcome to the thread. I'm also trying for dc3 with my DP and I have two older children (13 and 9) with my ex-H. What kind of tests are you both going through atm?

Hi all, hopped over from the old thread. congrats Alex- fab news!hope everything goes well.x
Fingers crossed for everyone else.
Try grapefruit juice with tonic-my uncle used to have it as a drink when he was out &was driving. I have it too sometimes as its a change from coke, orange juice etc had it last night when out for dinner and have just seen all the posts about it so that was a good choice on my part!xx

Welcome lacernella!

Cd26 here... Feeling a few twinges...

Hi lacernella

Ooooo twinges sound exciting winkle

thingy it's like a magic potion - results are instant!

I hope we have caught it this month. Will be nice to have a December baby....

I can't wait to give up work! I hate my job. But it pays well and maternity package is great. The pressure and being away from home is not worth it. Weird as I was always career driven but now want something mind numbingly mundane and just want to be a mum and bake cupcakes! Who'd have thought!

Yay on the seduction wee keep dtding.

Hello everyone, thanks for the welcome :-)

DH is on pregnyl (I know normally the women on that one) and they'll add another hormone if that doesn't show results on its own...

I've had an ultra sound (transvagjnal, agh...) all clear and they've taken loads of blood, not quite sure what ot's all for...got my 21 day blood test coming up and the radioactive-dye-in-uterus test soon...

Just hoping for lots of positive results! On the plus side my ewcm has always been good and we like sex a lot so hopefully if we ever get any sperm to play with there won't be too many other barriers to conception...

Congrats on the BfP up thread, that's fantastic!

I'm hunkering down for the long haul...

It's good to hear your tests are coming back normal lacerella

It only takes one! Fingers crossed the meds work.

I am broody today. How's everyone else doing?

alex how are you doing? I am so happy clomid worked for you! I remember the old thread with your initial scans not confirming follicle growth and how lovely it is to get a bfp at the end of all that stress and months and months of ttc! stupid thing to say but I wish I had problems ovulating and not DH having issues with sperm at least clomid would then do something for us.

Glad to hear the tears were ok lacernella. It's interesting how a lot of us have had different tests at certain times. I've had all my CD3, CD21 blood tests but nothing else so far. DP had a SA done quite early on but might need to do another as we've nearly been trying for a year.
Hugs red. I know what you mean, it'd be nice to know that a pill could help but it's not possible for every fertility issue. I'm also super broody. I had a bit of a moment walking through town earlier when I saw this beautiful summer dress for a baby... I really have to steer myself away from baby sections now but hopefully not for long.
How are you doing winkle?
Where is everyone else in their cycle?

*tests not tears

I'm here, cd27, getting the odd twinge. Don't feel very pregnant

Hi everyone! winkle hope those twinges are pg twinges! When are you POAS?

red I am still in shock but the joy has turned to terrified, you should see my pile of pee sticks unhygienically piled on my bedside table (with lids on in my defence!) Trying to make today the first day I don't test to check it's still there. Am just so nervous, don't trust my body at all as it's no good at hormonal stuff and working as it should usually! I remember us talking about clomid and me being jealous that you could do lifestyle stuff to improve SA, I guess that is the good thing about male factor stuff, you can improve it to some extent with diet etc? And the other positive is, with PCOS/clomid, I think mc rates are higher so you won't have that increased risk (must NOT think about that!) I really hope you caught it this month. How many dpo are you now?

Ps miss you all and am saving you nice seats in the grad thread next to me. Will keep hovering here too if that's ok. And hello newbies

Alex I don't POAS as there's no point. If nothing by next Friday then ill test as I've got a night out planned.

Had the results from my HSG which came back all clear so that's a good thing. 8 weeks today till my next appointment. I really hope I don't need it.

On cycle day nine..feeling quite ill from the Clomid today Bought some Ocean Spray Ruby Red Grapefruit juice..dont know how well that will mix with my already queasy belly.Hope this is our month...Good luck everyone

Mixed with Cranberry Apple I can barely take it..ewwww!!!

Cd29 here (of 33). Tested again yesterday and (unsurprisingly) got a BFN; plan to test again tomorrow and again on Sat. Addicted to testing, have a stash of tests and zero will-power!

Thats fab news on the HSG results winkle fx you are not going to need that 8 week appt! Hope she doesn't show up this weekend.

kerry hope you are feeling better and the grapefruit juice didn't make you too queasy. Does clomid have a lot of side effects?

Sorry about the BFNs someday I rarely test, only going to POAS when I am late. still waiting for that to happen

Work is driving me insane, not having a good day. No sign of +ve OPK either. So don't know if I have ovulated already or just not happened yet. If I am in the 2ww I don't feel any different.

Sorry about the negative test someday. Hopefully its just too early. Have you bought cheap tests from Amazon? I did that after spending a fortune on tests last year. I rarely test now but it helps knowing they are there.
kerry just hold your nose and drink it. It really works!
Sorry to hear about your bad day red. Would you normally have ovulated by now?
I somehow managed to waste 3 OPK's yesterday by peeing on them incorrectly. That in itself is stupid enough but then, whilst messing about, I dropped my iphone in the toilet. So that's that gone. Anyway, no ovulation yet, just lots of watery and EWCM and a bit of twinging going on this morning. Managed to dtd yesterday with plans for lots more this week. As my phone is dead, DP asked if he could put the fertility app on his phone. So he now has all the fantastically sexy details on his phone like CM consistency and cervix position. No one can say he isn't dedicated to the TTC cause anyway.

oh and great news winkle! Hopefully that's the last test you'll need.

Thingy I'm laughing at the thought of your dh reading about how your cervix feels today I have cervixes on the brain I think as I told dh to remember and check himself for cervical cancer. Got this look . Obviously meant testicular! I'm big on self checking due to family history.

So my opk line is slightly darker so I'm hoping its a + soon since dh might need to leave tonight argh!

Red sorry you're having a rotten day. What cd are you on?

Red I do have side effects on Clomid..headaches,breast aches,nausea,hot flashes,blurry vision..luckily I don't get them all at the same timeWhen I ovulate it's the worst..I get horrendous hot flashes with nausea and dizziness..For a new baby I'm willing to endure this~but I sure hope it happens soon;)Next month is the last month of 50mg Clomid,then husband has to go in for SA...Then the dosage will go to 100mg..

Just poas again and I got a smiley face and dh doesn't need to leave til tomorrow now so will get to DTD at the right times for once. Woo slightly excited at getting a proper shot this cycle! Looks like my wee wish for epo to bring forward ov by a day was granted

Woop wee! I hope this is the shot that does it for you!

Yay! Fingers crossed that you catch that egg. My lines are getting darker too so we might be going through that 2ww together this cycle unless soy has lengthened mine.
Another dtd and DP has really got into checking my chart. It makes it much easier now he knows the fertile times in advance.

No sign of AF here. I'm allowing myself to get excited...

winkle! So are you going to POAS tomorrow?

Oooo winkle I'm so excited for you. Fx and toes too!! Are you POAS in the morning? I will be checking first thing!

thingy your DH makes mine sound saner haha. Funny how men get into the apps and trackers

Go for the dtds wee sounds like perfect timing for you

Any news winkle?

I haven't tested but I do feel a little bit sick. Ihaven't been very well the last few days either. Symptoms?

winkle I am excited for you! Do you feel dizzy/really tired? I've downloaded an app called 'what to expect' on my phone and it's telling me I shouldn't have tested until week 5 as week 4 (when AF is due) is too early?? Confusing. Anyway I am keeping everything crossed for you today

Dtd last night and again this morning before dh went for his train. Fx

Winkle I have everything crossed so tightly for you.

weechops good work on dtd

winkle fx for you

Go wee I'm glad you managed to get another one in this morning for good luck!

Yeay for wees well timed shags and fx for winkle, what cd is this? Will you give in for a test- purley because its the weekend and you need to know if you can have alcohol as apposed to satisfying us nosey buggars

I really hope those are pregnancy symptoms winkle. [smiile]
I got a positive OPK so hopefully I will ovulate today or tomorrow unless my hormones are still out of sync and it doesn't happen till Wednesday or something. Will dtd tonight and over the weekend just in case.

Thx everyone. I'm on cd30 so she's due any time now. Have brought some pound shop tests so will test tomorrow morning.

Alex I don't feel dizzy just had a sniffle the last few days.

Wee - glad your oh was around for OV !

I'm only on cycle day 11 so I'm not quite there with you all yet...but I'm getting excited for everyoneHope this is THE month!!!!

De-lurking...a slight cold was one of my symptoms winkle! I've still got it now, in fact! I'm rather hopeful for you :-)

And good luck wee. Here's to well-timed shagging.

winkle feeling sick is a good sign! I can barely wait till you POAS!

delurking and marking my place .. will log on tomorrow with all my fingers and toes crossed.

You girls are so lovely xxxxxx

Fingers and toes crossed winkle

Fingers and toes crossed here too... Wishing and hoping your get your bfp winkle

winkle!! Any news yet?! First thing pee is best (and not just because I can't stand the suspense) Sniffles are a good sign!

Good news on smiley face thingy this thread is feeling lucky xx

BFN for me (10dpo). In my 2 (failed) pregnancies I had got a feint line at this stage.
Cor, this is sooooo depressing!
Hope winkle has better luck!!
At least this rules me out for a 2013 baby - I was always a bit superstitious about 2013

Bfn girls sorry

Damn winkle and someday really gutted for you. Such a shit, shit feeling. I'm wishing you both Jan 2014 babies x

I'll be 35 in jan. I started this process when I was 32. When will it happen?

So sorry someday and winkle.
This process is so hard and cruel sometimes. At least we've got each other for support.

Someday and winkle really sorry it's so so shit. X

ugh, I am having chronic O pains today. I hate them, they are on the same level as period pains but I get dizzy with them too. Second positive OPK in a row but hopefully the last. My long LH surges always make me worry about PCOS. Anyway, I am grateful that I ovulate and should stop sulking. DP is taking care of me and I will enjoy a glass or 3 of wine tonight.
How is everyone else doing?

I just had a breakdown. I was on Facebook and a guy I used to work with's wife is having a baby. He is in the pub every night so how is HIS sperm ok to fertilise an egg but my husbands isn't?

It just doesn't seem fair sometimes. So sorry, hope your weekend improves a little.

I've screamed and shouted and thrown things. I hate life

winkle. I'm really really sorry.

someday sorry about the bfn.

I'm so angry and in so much pain

Winkle I'm so so sorry you're hurting this badly. Nothing can help but just know you can let it all out here too. Xx

My husband confessed he deleted his FB account as he couldn't bear to see everyone else having children. He's so fed up too. I don't know what to do, I'm so scared that IVF isn't going to work. I've resigned myself to it not happening naturally but what if IVF doesn't work either. It's not a guarantee.

It's not a guarantee winkle but remember what your consultant said. Your situation is more likely to go well (your young and healthy).

I'm sorry it's so hard for you and your dh.

Youre right its not a guarantee, but it does work for the majority. And when said it - you're young and healthy and there's no reason it shouldn't work for you. I'm so sorry you're going through this winkle

Thx everyone. I'm just so fed up.

winkle

I feel your pain. So sorry and a very big hug. Just hope we all get of this roller coaster soon. It will happen for you. I know it seems like a remote possibility on days like this but don't loose hope. It's a shit unfair process. Just think of it as life having something beautiful and special in store for us because when it does happen I know it will be the best thing in the world xxx

For winkle and someday

I dreamt about IVF again last night. I ended up with a very long baby girl.

I just feel like such a failure. And to top it off I haven't lost any of the weight I promised I would for the next appt. I keep losing and gaining. I just feel rubbish!

Thank you to everyone for cheery words of support. It's very kind of you.
Aw winkle, really wish we could fast-forward to the time we all have babies! It's so difficult not knowing when, or if, it will happen, isn't it?! Sometimes it hits harder than at other times though; you mustn't beat yourself up for having rotten days when it feels all is lost and I'm sure things won't feel quite so gloomy once this shitty weather has passed. (That's what I keep telling myself anyway). You are still young enough to have options, it just may not feel like it when you're feeling blue.
I was round at my parents-in-law's house yesterday and my DH's brother and his brood came round and it was a real family day but it was so hard thinking that we may never have children for our parents /parents-in-law to dote on. We always come away with presents/toys for our cats (!!) which is very sweet but not the same as having children with doting grandparents.
Ah well, onwards and upwards. Have stocked up again on epo and opk's for next month. And the roller-coaster continues...

P.S. winkle - I'm with you on the weight thing. I just can't seem to lose any. I bought lots of clothes 1-2 sizes up when I was 3 mths preggo in Jan (just before the bad news) and annoyingly they only just fit now and I might have to go up another size! And I'm not preggo. Not good

Thx someday for your lovely words. I'm mostly ok but sometimes it does hit me. Thanks for allowing me up have those moments.

Yesterday must have been hard for you. Big hugs to you. I have nieces and nephews too and it saddens me when I spend time with them.

As for the diet thing, yesterday was a good day, planning about her good day today (just making soup) and planning my meals for the week. I may as well focus on the things I can control! Why don't you join me and we can motivate each other

Yes someday let's fast forward to the time when we all have kids. I understand the grand parents thing. I dream of how my mum and dad will be so happy and spoil their grand children rotten. Can't wait to see that day.

winkle you are allowed to feel that way. Big hug xx

My heart goes out to all you ladies that have been trying for a baby for so very long...prayers and love to youI sent a prayer to the Lord that you all will be blessed with joy soon..I'm sorry your hearts hurt so....

Thank you Kerry, I hope it works! For all of us

I have lost 10lb in 5 weeks through sheer bloody willpower! winkle I know what you mean about controlling something, It makes me feel like I'm in charge over some part of my body, even if not the part I really want Usually I give up after a few weeks and binge on crap again, but not this time. I figure if I focus all my energy on food (or lack of) then I can't completely obsess over ttc.

Well done weechops, that's amazing. I have started back on a diet too. I've put on a bit of extra winter weight and I want to lose it early May which is definitely doable if I avoid Easter eggs.
2dpo atm, I think this will be a long wait.

FFS Where is AF? I'm on CD33 - wish she'd just come and put me out of my misery!

Well done wee on the weight loss. I keep gaining and losing the same few pounds arrrrgghh. I think going to the gym is key, will sign up to the one at the end of my road and start running again.

How have I missed this whole thread?
Alex if you're still here, belated congrats! Wow, 1st month. Makes me reassured that the docs do know a bit about this stuff. Hope all going OK. What a present that'll be come Christmas.
Talking of which, why is it still like Christmas outside? Crazy weather.
How's everyone doing? Winkle & someday sorry to read it's been up and (more so) down for you.
Wee congrats re weight. Absolutely understand the need to focus and control something. Not eating is easy peasy compared to TTC with guaranteed results.
On CD15 here so gearing up for O. Think we're deffo on to go for IVF next month if this month is another fail. Was a bit cheered to get my AMH result of 21 which is in the satisfactory range of 15-21 and good for my age. At least the trying hasn't been in vain.
Think it's wine tonight regardless of impending O!

Correction 15-28

Oh God, I've killed the thread

Hi res, glad you found us

Pink when I wipe. She'll be here tomorrow morning. Don't know I still bother.

It's ok you haven't killed the thread. I don't post much anymore. There's only so many ways you can say 'I've dtd at the right times' and then 'AF is here' 2 weeks later. Same shit, different month.

Ah winkle

Res you didn't kill it

I'm 5dpo and had sore boobs for 2 days now but probably nothing. I keep saying I won't symptom spot but I can't help it.

Hoping I don't have to spend Easter Sunday with my toxic sil. Usually I do Easter lunch and the egg hunt, but dh is away just now and supposedly fil was away visiting his partners family, and I didn't want to host sil on my own with no one to dilute but I find out today fil will be here and he invited me over on Sunday after I told him I wasn't doing lunch. Selfish I know but I hope sil and bil don't go too. Dont know how I'll manage to talk about her pregnancy without dh for support. I sound pathetic don't I?

No u don't, it's understandable. X

No, you sound normal whereas she clearly thinks of no one but herself, wee.

Talking of others' pregnancies, one more from my baby group for DD announced last week that a 2nd is on the way. And it was a "surprise", she says which I guess is the same as an accident. My guess is that my friend planned it though and the only one truly "surprised" was her DH!

Glad to hear the results came back ok res. Hopefully you wont need that IVF appointment.
I'm 5 dpo now too wee so you are a day ahead of me. I'm trying to distract myself as much as possible.
We watched The Syndicate last night which features a fictional couple who have problems TTC and had IVF. DP mentioned that it was a good job that we have the NHS so we could have IVF but I had to say we wouldn't receive it as I had had children already, it doesn't matter that he hasn't. I said we'd just reach a stage where we stopped actively trying and just get on with our lives. He just went quiet so no idea what he thought about that eventuality. I've told him about the limited fertility options before but it never stuck obviously.

Hi all, fatas here again! Can't get used to me new name

Hi res! Oh wee I remember you telling us about your horrid sil... to her!

Am currently cd14 and dtd yesterday but not before so am thinking prob not this cycle! Am beginning to wonder if its even a good idea to get pg again as I'm so certain ill just end up mc-ing again...

Fx for all those in the 2ww and winkle sorry to hear you're feeling she's on her way... <hug>

And thingy don't lose hope x

I won't. There's no reason why we can't conceive so there is always a chance. DP is on a mission this month. He thinks that we should carry on every other day after O too so we are in with a very good chance. Hopefully the soy made a difference too.
Have you ovulated yet or do you not monitor it? Once is definitely all you need though so good luck to the both of you. x

Ah that sounds like a plan!

No I don't monitor it - I did it a couple of times and got the smiley on day 13 so I always assume its around then! Also I am so anxious anyway that its just another thing to stress about - am trying to be a bit lower key if poss - took 10 months last time so no rush!!

Hi res glad you found us fx you don't need the ivf and have a lovely 'surprise' this month. Tbh any bfp would be a surprise now because I don't feel pregnant yet again. Expecting AF sometime next weekend. Bored of ttc.

Meeting my pregnant friend for lunch tomorrow for the first time since she announced her 'surprise' pregnancy. Not looking forward to seeing her bump. Hope Easter lunch goes quick for you wee why do we have to suffer these women

Can't get used to the name either fatas ads

I tried the low key approach too then decided to go back to OPK's and temping. No doubt I'll change again in a few months.
I've got to admit that I never felt the annoyance at pregnant women that a lot of TTC'ers express. I assumed this was because I was lucky enough to have two children already but last week I got jealous of Gloria on Modern Family when she fell pregnant by accident and she isn't even real! So I guess I've reached that point now. Huge sympathies for everyone who has to deal with pregnant friends and family everyday it must be so frustrating. I had no idea.
Good luck red. Hope this is your month.

Cd1 again as predicted

winkle

Oh joy - another pregnancy announcement at work. It'll be her third and, yes, you guessed, it was "first month lucky". Grrr. Really lovely person but, still, grrr!
Managed unexpected DTD this morning before work (only I was surprised on that one, it seems!).
In a bit of state here (particularly after the announcement) - was going to ask DM for a loan for IVF this weekend as her rates are better than the bank (!) but she's just been admitted to hospital (side effects of chemo) so I can't but we have to say yes or no next week. God, TTC makes you so self-absorbed. There she is in an infection controlled unit and all I can think of is me, me, me!

winkle <sigh>

Hugs res it's totally understandable to feel that way and ttc does take over everything

First month lucky announcements are hard to take especially when we've been on this mill for what seems like forever. Hope you don't need that loan and get your happy announcement this month.

Hi Red. How're you doing?

Oh res I really hope you ger lucky and don't need the loan.

Sorry to hear that winkle.
I hope your mum gets out of hospital soon res.

Quick delurk to say hi.

Sorry winkle

resipsa don't feel bad ttc completely takes over your life, I've never been more self absorbed in my life.

fatas I struggle with the new name too

Hi guys!On cycle day 18 today.Having some pinching pains in my ovary(the one with the tube)Let me tell you about grapefruit juice and CM...ohhhweeeemama!!!I don't want to get to descriptive but the CM is in abundance babyIt's AMAZING,who ever figured that out is a genius!!!Hope this is my month...and all of yours too!!!

Apart from the usual sore boobs no other 2ww symptoms! I just know she's going to arrive again.

Fx for you both thingy and kerry

Red same here just sore boobs. And had my usual hormonal melt down the week before AF, so pretty sure I'm out.

And I need to sit through Sunday lunch looking at my sil scan PIC. (Which she happily plastered all over fb yesterday) urgh

Kerry your post made me laugh fingers x for you

Eurgh not only have I got AF but its so heavy and leaky I can only hope it's a clear out after the HSG.

Oh winkle Big hugs coming from me, and plenty of chocolate. Sod the diet for a few days x

I have :D

winkle I had the same after the hycosy. Late AF and very painful and heavy. Hope it finishes soon and load up on some comfort food for a few days.

How is everyone else doing today?

I'm doing ok red. Still a week left of the 2ww. I've got a lovely weekend free where I will be drinking wine regardless of 2ww and lots of [bubiscuits] and sweets. How are you doing? Is AF due soon?

Happy Easter...God Bless 0:-) Hoping all of our dreams come true soon.Eating candy like they will stop making it..I need to STOP!!!I know it's not good to junk out while ttc but it's the holiday right?Back to the healthy stuff Monday

Haha enjoy the candy kerry it's always good to have the occasional sugar rush.

Having a bit of a broody Easter thingy want to get my hopes up but I know there's no baby in there. AF will be here by Fri

Happy Easter everyone

I may poas tomorrow. I'll be 10dpo and I am going nuts with impatience so think I may give in. My previous pregnancies have all had a super faint line at 10dpo so I am hoping and praying for one to show tomorrow. I know I'm setting myself up for crushing disappointment but I cant help it

Ive had sore boobs now for around 3 days. They get sorer throughout the day which gives me hope, but then when I wake up theyre not very sore at all. Then I poke them. I'm imagining all this aren't I, sigh. Some stabby pain in left lower side too today which is new. I hate this.

Fx for you wee wishing you get your second line tomorrow!

I am also getting strangely painful and tingly sore boobs but it can't be anything other than AF arriving, can it? <sigh> when will this end!

Good luck to the both of you. I'll check back in the morning for your update weechops.
Now you've both mentioned it I've realised I have sore boobs too. Just thinking about it seems to produce symptoms you'd never even notice normally.
I've had such a relaxing weekend. Lots of dtd again as all cycle so there is no way we've not tried enough. I'm sick of the hormonal spots though. I can't wait to get back on birth control after all this is done. Never thought I'd say that. Have you all had a good weekend?

Good luck wee!

red

It's not been great in our house this week. My husband is really really down about not conceiving. And he can't even have a drink to take the edge off. He's such a wonderful, lovely person that it kills me to see him not happy. You are right, red, when will this nightmare end?

He's halfway through his 3 months of not drinking so I just hope it's helping.

I'm thinking of joining him on the no drinking to support him and also to see if it helps. It's also good prep for IVF.

Started spotting so I won't be having a little one by Christmas this year.

She will be early this month which means I ovulated early. Thanks to grapefruit juice I am having a 28 day cycle at least.

Aw no red Grapefruit juice seems to be amazing stuff!

Tested this morning and bfn. I knew it would be anyway. Try again tomorrow.

Gah, sorry red.
Don't worry wee there's plenty of time yet.
Your dh is doing really well winkle. Its annoying having to give up on alcohol but as an added bonus I do find it makes losing weight much easier. I tend to bloat up 3lbs if I've had wine on a weekend. I daren't stand on the scales until Friday now.

Sorry red

Good luck tomorrow wee.

Thingy - yes OH is doing really well, he is really trying everything he can for this baby, it's just not fair that its not happening.

winkle he has done really well to give it up for so long. Keep going. Hope you see the results of it soon. Do you have another SA booked?

I am so tired and exhausted by ttc just want to get off the mill. Grrrrrrr! Really frustrated. Don't know when this will end for all of us.

Oh god oh god oh god I think I have a bfp!!!

When I put the cheaply test in the bin I looked again and thought I saw the hint of a line so I'm just back from the weekly shop and bought a first response.

Just looked now and there is a faint, faint second pink line! Oh god I'm shaking. And I so want to believe it but I'm scared to! Ah I'm making no sense!!

Wow wee that's amazing news! Congratulations. Have you got another test to use tomorrow morning?

I bought the 2 pack cause I knew I wouldn't be able to resist testing again today. So will test again first thing tomorrow. Eek!

Wow wee! Good luck for tomorrow morning, keep us posted!

Red - SA is in 5 weeks time, a week before our follow up appointment at the fertility hospital. I've def decided I'm going to not drink to support him. I should have done it from the beginning but he said not to. But now it's really getting to him so I'm going to help and support him.

Wow that's fantastic wee fx for a stronger line tomorrow.
I want to be in the same place as you - staring at a second pink line sorry for becoming terribly broody, my CP due date is next Monday and no sign of a bfp yet.

winkle you are so right to support him right now. It will be the extra push he needs to stay motivated. Fx you don't need that appt in 5weeks.

Congratulations Wee!!!I'm at the beginning of the 2ww...hope I get that BFP too;)What a wild ride this is......

Just tested there and the line is fainter than yesterday. Is that a bad sign do you think or does it not matter? My emotions are all over the place. Trying so hard not to get my hopes up but it's hard.

I think it might take a couple of days to get noticeably darker. Could you ask for a blood test to check your levels maybe? I know they are big on that in the US but I think here doctors tend to ignore pregnancies until the 12th week.
I tested this morning at 10dpo because I've had very sore breasts for a few days and got a negative. Not surprising at all. I think I would go into shock if I ever actually got a positive test.

Thanks thingy I just tested again on the same brand as yesterday and the line is much darker, so I feel better now Fx it sticks this time.

Congrats wee! Fab news! Lets hope it rubs off on to the rest of us

Wee CONGRATS!

Try to enjoy, not worry (but easier written on MN than done, I know).

Quick test - yup, I'm definitely jealous

Congrats wee it will be a sticky one this time. It has to be!

Sorry about bfn thingy maybe it's too early yet at 10dpo.

Ooh congrats wee! Fx it's a sticky bean x

Maybe if I started posting again regularly people might not forget who I am!

Am about 5dpo ish... It's such a looong wait!

Fx thingy - it's early days yet x

Really am very excited for you Wee;) Best wishes for a healthy pregnancy!!!

Ah,red just read down a bit past wee's news. Sorry about AF and the impending date to try to forget. I remember so wanting a BFP before mine so I wouldn't have to think about it. Chin up. It'll come right soon.

And fatas no one forgets you!

Ah thanks res! I second what you said about wanting a bfp before the due date (again!) - often the wretched bfp is the kind of thing which happens when you are least expecting/hoping for it so it is particularly elusive and frustrating...
Am sorry too red <hugs>

Hello again adsum!

I've joined the assisted conception thread on here and ordered the Zita West book about IVF. I have 6 weeks before we go back to the Fertility Clinic. I might as well spend the time getting my body ready for IVF so I'm healthy and ready.

Hi winkle. Think we're going for it too next cycle. Yikes.

Are you doing anything to prepare for it? Come and join me on the other thread if you like? It's called 'excellent egg buddies'.

We haven't forgotten you ad! It is such a long wait, it never gets much easier. Fingers crossed for you this cycle. I'm 11dpo and another BFN. Not sure why I'm testing this time but I guess, why not?
Good luck to those moving on to IVF. I hope you get your BFP's very soon.

Good luck winkle and res.

Red really sorry about the hard day coming up

for BFNS thingy

Sorry for bfn thingy but you know the drill - it ain't over blah blah!

winkle shouldn't it be 'eggcellent egg buddies'?!

That's actually what the thread is called ad

Oh right! Oops - prob should have actually checked the thread before trying to witty

How's everyone today?

Wee?

Goodluck res hope you get your bfp soon.

winkle still have my fx for you - hope you don't need that appt in a few weeks.

Thanks everyone. Feeling okay now.

wee how you doing? Hoping to join you soon on the grads thread

Hey I'm ok thanks. Haven't tested again and I feel sick constantly. Yay haha!

Need to go pay for my holiday tomorrow so we will be totally skint for a week. Ah well will be worth it to get some sun. And this year I won't feel so self conscious about my wobbly bits because ill ( hopefully) hand a bump!

Hello ladies...I'm a grad of the other thread bust had a catch up & wanted to say a HUGE CONGRATULATIONS to both alex & wee - great stuff
Fx for others on the dreaded 2ww & up coming appts, hoping you don't need them!

Is feckin snowing here ....wtf?!

I'm ok, on cd8 so gearing up for pointless shag week. I swing between hope and despair.

On cd21 here and I'm not sure whether my mild cramps are early period pains or the large portion of French onion soup I guzzles earlier... Hmmm...
Don't lose hope winkle just concentrate on the ivf and something might happen accidentally iykwim?! Will keep fx for you <hug>

*guzzled

I resigned myself to it not happening naturally ages ago but I'm still really scared about IVF. It's not the easy option, from what I've been reading its hard on your mind, body and relationship. It's really scary.

Hi grannyapple thank you.

Winkle you sound like such a strong person and I'm positive that you and your dh can face anything together.

Just a wee story but my friend had one round of ivf and needed another. They were all set to go for round 2 when she fell pregnant naturally! After trying for I think 3 years. She is now pg with number 3 again naturally
It will happen for you one way or another.

Reading that back I don't know if I sounded flippant or insensitive. I didn't mean it to come across like that if it did, sorry winkle x

Wee - me and my oh are really really strong, you are right there. We had a talk about my fears tonight, it's scary being in our situation. That's good news for your friend, I hope that's me soon.

I read this on babycentre. Thought you'd understand this red:

There are women that become mothers without effort, without thought, without patience or loss and though they are good mothers and love their children, I know that I will be better. I will be better not because of genetics, or money or that I have read more books, but because I have struggled and toiled for this child.

i have longed and waited. I have cried and prayed. I have endured and planned over and over again. Like most things in life, the people who truly have appreciation are those who have struggled to attain their dreams. I will notice everything about my child. I will take time to watch my child sleep, explore and discover. I will marvel at this miracle every day for the rest of my life. I will be happy when I wake in the middle of the night to the sound of my child, knowing that I can comfort, hold and feed him and that I am not waking to take another temperature, pop another pill, take another shot or cry tears of a broken dream. My dream will be crying for me. I count myself lucky in this sense; that God has given me this insight, this special vision with which I will look upon my child that my friends will not see. Whether I parent a child I actually give birth to or a child that God leads me to, I will not be careless with my love. I will be a better mother for all that I have endured. I am a better wife, a better aunt, a better daughter, neighbor, friend and sister because I have known pain. I know disillusionment as I have been betrayed by my own body, I have been tried by fire and hell many never face, yet given time, I stood tall. I have prevailed. I have succeeded. I have won. So now, when others hurt around me, I do not run from their pain in order to save myself discomfort. I see it, mourn it, and join them in theirs. I listen. And even though I cannot make it better, I can make it less lonely. I have learned the immerse power of another hand holding tight to mine, of other eyes that moisten as they learn to accept the harsh truth and when life is beyond hard. I have learned a compassion that only comes with walking in those shoes. I have learned to appreciate life. Yes I will be a wonderful mother.

That was lovely winkle thanks - needed to read something to help me stay motivated. I am so tired and frustrated by all of it. And same as you wrote earlier I am starting to see ttc as pointless shag weeks with no joy at the end of it.

I hope as wee said you don't need the ivf. But IF it doesn't happen (it's a big IF) naturally we will always be here to support you. It's a scary path winkle but I know at the end of it all we will all become excellent and loving mums to our long awaited babies.

That was lovely winkle thanks - needed to read something to help me stay motivated. I am so tired and frustrated by all of it. And same as you wrote earlier I am starting to see ttc as pointless shag weeks with no joy at the end of it.

I hope as wee said you don't need the ivf. But IF it doesn't happen (it's a big IF) naturally we will always be here to support you. It's a scary path winkle but I know at the end of it all we will all become excellent and loving mums to our long awaited babies.

Oops posted twice accidentally!

Oh dear the POAS addiction resurfaces... POAS at 9dpo - BFN surprise surprise!!

Naught ads ! Do it again tomorrow though

Good luck for tomorrow, ad.

Good luck ads.

Ah thanks all, but I have no sticks to pee on now and also can feel af on her way so will try and hold out for a bit longer to see if when she shows up! (am saving up for next month ��!)

Hope everyone's well? Who's POAS soon?

AF is here. No pains yet so I'm not too cross with it. I am however beyond annoyed with the hormonal spots that have invaded my face. Its been months now and its making me miserable. Part of me wants to give up and go on birth control so I can feel like me again. Relatives ask if I'm eating enough or if I'm ill because my face is so blemished. I have never suffered with acne before in my life. sigh
At least I can go back to my GP in May and request more blood tests because I'm pretty sure I have some obvious PCOS symptoms.
Here endeth my CD1 rant.
How's everyone else doing? This thread has become so quiet.

I second the wish to go back on the pill! Since I came off it I have been similar with spots- it's very annoying! I still feel pre-af pains so am not hopeful this month but in a way don't really care! I'm sure ill wake up tomorrow feeling different but will enjoy this feeling for the day if I can

Sorry she got you thingy. How long have you been trying this time round?

I hope they aren't AF pains ads. I like to enjoy that time before AF too. I don't like to test around that time because I like feeling like I could be pregnant even for just an extra day or two. Fingers are crossed for you.
This will be month 11 now winkle. I used to wonder how people coped with trying for this long but now I know. You just carry on because the only alternative is to stop.
I feel a bit better now. I can't wear make-up because of my skin but I can put on a bit of mascara, put on a dress and do my hair, which I have. I feel a bit more like me. I'm going to try a low sugar/carb diet for a month to see if it helps my skin and the (possible) PCOS symptoms. I always fail when I attempt this but I need another focus for a bit.

Oh, I'm really sorry if that comes off as insensitive. I realise some people have been trying for years and I've barely begun compared to others. I think I just needed to get my frustration out before DP gets back from the stag do in a bit. He was so sure this was our month.

It took 10 months after my first mmc only to have another one so technically it's been 14 months now so I totally feel your pain, but I feel even less able to complain because I have a ds already!

It is so personal - time doesn't matter per se it's the effect it has on the individual/couple - you aren't insensitive! It's such an individual thing and anyone who has had to try like you/we all have does to an extent feel a bit selfish because it is all about you! It can't be about anyone else anyway! You need some tlc today xxx

Oh that sounds a bit preachy! Sorry

REALLY sorry!!!!

I'm dieting too, so we can do it together thingy

Hugs thingy sorry about AF arriving. Agree with ads - it doesn't matter how long you have been trying or even if you already have kids - anyone who has been ttc will feel a whole wide range of emotions and is allowed to feel that way.

I will join the dieting club too winkle have gorged on so much food last month - need to really do something about my bingo wings.

Red did AF arrive?

As for dieting I have a few weeks till my appt and ill be gutted if I don't get to my target or at least near to me target. ESP as I've been using ttc as an excuse not to diet for the last two years (thinking oh ill get fat anyway!)

winkle that's EXACTLY what I've been doing - puttin it off again and again with the same thoughts... But now the time has come!

Thanks everyone. You are all so lovely. I'm feeling much better now.
I started to use TTC as an excuse too and now my clothes are getting a bit tight. I've decided to cut out as much of the unnecessary carbs as I can so I've bought some salad greens to eat instead of rice or potatoes with my meals which is a start anyway. And I've changed our meal plan to reduce red meat so our meals are predominately poultry and fish based now. Good luck to everyone trying to lose weight. We can do it!
Btw, I have heard in the news that l-carnitine has been found to be the reason why red meats are so unhealthy. I realised this morning that Wellman conception contains an amount of that nutrient so I have cancelled my future Amazon orders. Current advice is not to take Carnitine in supplement form if you're a meat eater. Just thought I'd let you all know. Any ideas as to which vitamin we could switch to?

<sigh> another bfn today and lots of quite bad period pains - grrr! Well it took 10 months last time so I'm not sure why I'm surprised! I hate TTC!!

DP has said he's not bothered about the vitamin so we are sticking with Wellman afterall.
Sorry to hear that ads. I know the feeling, its getting to me too. I hope your OH is around to pamper you for a while.

I hate ttc too. AF did arrive winkle

Today is my CP due date and my best friend had a baby girl yesterday. Lots of messages on her fb congratulating her and I am just bawling my eyes out wishing that would have been me today. I am happy for her but really can't stop wishing it was me.

Just want to be pregnant so I can just get out of this rut. It's so cruel I am feeling so lost today

Sorry ad

Oh red, I wish I could jump through the screen and give you a big hug. This process is too cruel. Be kind to yourself tonight xxx

I had a big slice of cheesecake and I still feel like crap. Just want all of this to be over. Going to try harder this month but I am all out of hope.
Sorry for sad posts but having a very bad day and don't know where else to vent my frustration.

Five days until AF arrives...feels like she might.If I didn't get pregnant this month I don't know when I will..we did it almost everyday..on ovulation days twice a day!!!My hubs sperm must be taking the long road to no where!!April is the final month of trying and then the dreaded sperm analysis..Just don't understand!!!Although this is only month four-I am 38,with PCOS,one tube,and a history of not conceiving easily...it still feels like forever!!!Due to the Clomid my ovaries have been quite sore too..don't know how much longer they will take this.It's very hard to be positive when every month it's just disappointmentHoping for the best for everyone else!!!!And who knows..I could be wrong about this month..we shall see!!!

We all seem very down at the moment don't we. We need some good news soon.

I'm on cd12 and the monitor has gone to high so I'll be dtd. It's my second wedding anniversary tomorrow so feeling about not having a baby's I really thought I'd be planning my second by how, instead I'm still wondering whether I'll ever get my first,

Yes we all need a virtual glass of wine together to cheer ourselves up! I have the day from hell at work today so really dreading it and have woken up with lots of low back pain period pains - am more upset about all that than the fact af is on its way!!

Am sorry to hear again about friends babies and due dates - it's impossible to just get on with things when you have those kinds of reminders to deal with. We get good at the 'congrats with a brave smile' thing don't we?!

I am sending us all a massive virtual hug and a g&t! X

We def need a virtual cocktail drinking session ads

I am going to be away from DH again during the week for work. So haven't got a hope in hell of timing it for OV / will just have to see if the weekend shags work or not.

winkle I hear you hope you have a short wait for your second - you will have your first soon. It will happen. Virtual hugs all around.

Hi guys. Sorry to read that everyone is a bit down but I'm not the one to cheer you up as the absence of success is really getting to me today.

Sorry too red re yesterday. It's horrible and if you mention it to people, most give you some sympathetic words but you can almost hear them thinking "erm, you need to move on".

Went out for dinner on Saturday. Out of 11 of us, there were 6 pregnants (all with DC already). No getting away from it.

Think my body is reacting to the stress of various things as no +ve OPK until CD 26. It's gonna be a long haul.

Ads hope your day goes well and quickly.

Been reading what I missed. We are all down and the one thing that would cheer us all up is the thing we can't achieve! Grr.

Just had another thought. It was a year ago today that I stopped bleeding after my ERPC so we've been at it a year. Depressing. And that doesn't take into account the 5 months to get to the last failed time.

We are all so down. Maybe its the time of year or something. I certainly need a break. A nice holiday, cocktails, sandy beaches.. Well, I can dream. A close second will be our holiday in Cornwall in August. I think a bit of sunshine would help us a little and one of us to get some good news of course.
I have come very close to telling DP I want to stop trying. In fact I was awake until 3am thinking about it and how its affecting my well being. I'm pretty sure its just the disappointment getting to me though. Decided to ignore it until my hormones have settled a bit after AF.
kerry I hope she doesn't arrive. You've definitely dtd enough anyway! I find it quite frustrating when I've dtd every day and there's no way we could have timed it incorrectly, it just seems to raise the hopes even more.

Oh no - just seen Leen's post re m/c too. Life is shit.

Sorry thingy x post. You try to be a little positive and I wade in again!

Know how you feel re thinking about giving up trying. I have the thought process every week but as soon as I see anyone with 2 kids (particularly two under 5s playing together), I know that I can't.

Only thing that has made me smile recently on the TTC front is Halle Berry. You go, girl. And it took her a while.

Oh gosh we all sound so down, I really hope we all get the good news we deserve soon.

Thingy - I've tried all the dtd combos over the many many months of ttc (every day, every other day, throughout whole month, waiting till OV day, etc) and still NOTHING! You are right it's soooooo frustrating when you know you've done everything right.

I had high hopes for the cycle and now I'm in panic mode I brought the Zita West book yesterday and it said to dtd every 2-3 days to keep sperm fresh or the first two times of dtd in a new cycle are just dead sperm. OH and I haven't dtd in weeks and now I feel like our chance this month is slim

Does anyone else dtd all month? I have done in the past but to be honest we get bored of dtd all the time! You know the saying too much of a good thing?!

Also, talking of giving up trying I thought I was ok about never having a baby and was starting to think about life just me and OH and then I saw on FB a few weeks back that someone was pregnant and it completely floored me. I was a mess all weekend, I didn't even leave the house.

I'm with you on that! Expected O around the weekend of 30 March so started the week before that evert 1-2 days and have only just stopped. Had row after last night's efforts cause the DTD definitely strayed into automatic, TTC mode. Romance is dead in out house today!

I'm at the beginning of my fertile period (cd13) and could kick myself for not dtd yet. In my defence oh has been ill - we were supposed to start last night but we didn't.

I think the sad thing is that the longing would never cease. I have a friend who is mid-40s and had multiple late m/carriages. She now accepts that she will never have kids but still longs for them so much so that when strangers ask her if she has them, she says yes and makes up their names and ages. Funny but sad too.

Oh res that is

Only she finds it funny when she tells people about what she does; we just feel for her.

Oh, I really did kill the thread with that tale!

That was an awfully sad story res I fear I might go that loopy one day. I am so broody right now-I can't even be 2 feet close to a baby without feeling sad.

I have decided to try and be cheerful but I don't know something doesn't feel right - maybe it's the weather but I just don't want to be happy right now. Just want to be moody, angry and sad and throw a tantrum till I get my bfp

<sigh!> what is ttc doing to me!

Morning everyone.

Me and OH had a lovely anniversary dinner last night. We both talked about how we hope it's the last one just the two of us and this time next year we hope there are 3 of us. Hell if we have IVF there might even be 4 of us!

I have to confess we shared a bottle of Prosecco even though OH isn't supposed to be drinking. But we figured 3 champagne glasses of fizz in 12 weeks can't hurt and the wedding anniversary was a good excuse.

Plus we dtd

Well done twinkle I'm positive you will be surrounded by at least one screaming baby this time next year :-)

Hi winkle that sounds like a lovely end to the day all round. A bottle of prosecco is definitely not going to affect your DH one way or the other and am impressed that he has kept off the booze for so long.

Out of interest, if you get to it (and fx you won't need to), will you have 1 or 2 embies put in? I think I'm gonna say 2 which is what they say is OK for old hags like me but what if it did result in twins? Not sure we could cope (yeah, yeah, I know we would but the prospect is a bit )

Happy Anniversary Twinkle

Happy Anniversary twinkle/winkle which name would you prefer? I keep getting confused.
Hugs to red. We all seemed to get down at once. I feel as though I might have triggered everyone off with my AF induced rant over the weekend. It's understandable that this process is going to make us cross, upset and frustrated which we have every right to feel like that but we can get through it and we will eventually succeed. I'm feeling much better now and have realised that giving up is not an option. The "what ifs" would be just too great and DP would so love to be called Dad one day.
How is everyone doing with the weight loss/healthy eating changes? I've been pretty good this week so far at cutting back my portions but I did sneak myself a bit of homemade flat bread yesterday with my dinner. Its just too tempting. I'm not weighing myself till next week though.

Twinkle/winkle either or. I don't mind. We're all friends here . I'm doing ok on the diet (apart from my lovely meal out yesterday). I've been running too.

Res - oh and I discussed this and we would go for 2 to be put back in. I'd love twins! In fact I've already convinced myself I'm going to have IVF, it will work first time and ill end up with twins. Have thought about how I would tell my mum and even know thier names . OH wants to call then Sheila E and Cat after the girls in Prince's band

The cultural reference will be lost on them when they're tween/teens!

Happy Anniversary winkle 3 glasses of fizz is nothing in 12 weeks! You both deserve a treat Here's praying all your dreams come true next year and there's def 3 or even 4 of you!

I have given up all hope of conceiving right now. Work is just too demanding and I don't know what the effects of working all these hours will be on my body. I have had to stay in late at work till 10pm 3 days in a row. Start at 8am I know! I know! I just hope it hasn't pushed ovulation back or affected it. I haven't done these hours ever before. Got a busy week till OV day next week. Don't know if I hve already screwed up my chances.

Thx red

Work sounds hectic, hope it calms down soon for you!

Hi red. Sounds stressful. Don't want to add to it but I had mad 2 weeks at work pre-predicted O date and kept testing...and testing. End result was that O delayed by a week.

Cd1

Going to have plenty of tonight and hope that this month we can be a bit more proactive!!

Ps I think stress can really affect cycle, but probably some more than others! I say go and have a relaxing massage after next dtd and hopefully relaxation will provoke ov!!!

Sorry ads gutted for you. Hope next cycle is our lucky one!!!

I am going out drinking tomorrow night.

I drink less these days so I am worried I am going to get tipsy very quick. Will have to line my stomach! Going to be a long night with cocktails looking forward to it actually.

So sorry ad

How is everyone doing today? Any plans for the weekend?

I had a broody morning obsessing over due dates if we conceive this month. Like that's ever going to happen. <sigh>! Bring on the cocktails.

I'm a bit today actually - I know we won't conceive this month as we are going away on hols (yay!) with some friends and DH isn't the crafty shag with people next door type, so I will have to be extra aggressive seductive in my efforts this month!! I'm not really able to bother being more pushy as just don't see the point any more - even if we do get a bfp we'll just lose it again anyway!

Gosh I sound depressed!! I'm not really, just a bit whingy and fed up but then maybe ill be less hungover tomorrow and more positive!!

I feel <sigh> too red as this is the last month I can conceive to give birth before I'm 35. 35??!?! I started this journey when I was 32. <double sigh>.

Ad - I hate days like that when you feel like all hope is a lost. But please take comfort in the fact that you CAN conceive and IT WILL happen again. Big hugs if you need it.

I'm in the middle of shag week here. Have dtd twice already and need to go again tonight.

Funny/weird thing happened to me the other day. A guy stopped me to ask me for directions. He looked like one of those indian spirtiual guys wearing beads round his hands and feet. I gave him directions and he started talking to me. We had a brief convo and then he said to me that I had a lucky face and to expect some good news in July! I dont usually believe in stuff like that but I'm willing to try anything after all these months!

winkle totally understand....I am willing to believe anything to do with getting a bfp.

Even started stroking those fertility statue pics (see thread in Conception on 'experiments') in the hope that we get a bfp this month. I keep bumping into people who keep asking me if I have any kids or when will I have some. And just put on a brave face�� today someone congratulated my mil on becoming a grandma as SIL gave birth few months back and this lady said 'ah it must be so nice at least one of your daughter in laws has made you a grandma'

I just wanted to burst into tears at that point. I don't know what I have done wrong to deserve this cruel cruel torture. Just want to be a mum

Sorry you are having a bad day ads I hope you can successfully seduce DH on holiday - maybe have a sneaky shag while others are in the pool or away from the hotel. That way no one hears next door. You won't loose your baby again. Keep faith.

Hi everyone!!!I was going to go on about how I'm supposed to start today...and how this PCOS and ovary deal has totally got me down but I suppose all of that does no good..Probably because AF is due and I'm feeling a bit depressed(like you all)is the reason I'm so weepyI hate feeling this way...what an idiot..I already have two kids when some have none and have been trying forever..so selfish.I can't seem to help it though...I'm just hoping for happier times for us all I guess...that we all might get that BFP.

Thanks all, I hope today will be a little better for all of us although the depressing weather doesn't really help does it?!

Am excited to be going on holiday so that is the main thing! It will happen for all of us - all the jibes and thoughtless comments are horrible red - I suppose one day you will be able to look back and sort if smile as you hug your 7 children to your bosom - I guess we are supposed to say its character building (but only if you don't stab the person saying it!!!)

I've been stroking that pic every day red! What a thoughtless comment, I would have felt teary too.

On cycle day 34 and she still isn't here...I know she's coming due to my weepy,emotional state!!I am feeling better today thoughIt isn't unusual to be late due to that awful PCOS-always keeps me guessing!!!Hope everyone is having a lovely Sunday!!!Take care friends....

Argh Kerry, really hope she stays away and you're weepy and hormonal due to being pregnant!

I've been reading a lot of blogs about IVF and I found this post which I really loved and wanted to share with you all. Red I think you'll be able to relate to this:

''I had a bit of a low day today and felt like I needed to write again! I'm angry and hurting today, everything feels unfair. If only we had 'YOU', our little precious one, we are overflowing with love and affection and at the moment it just feels wasted because YOU are not here.

Everything is starting to move forwards quickly now. I keep thinking about the start of my cycle, will I get enough eggies? Will they find suitable swimmers? Will we achieved fertilisation? But most of all will we ever have YOU? If I think about inside my body, part of YOU could potentially already be there waiting for daddy to make YOU whole. When I think about that, I get soooo excited.

At the moment I feel like I eat, breathe, sleep IVF. Its a nice feeling in many ways because I think that YOU are potentially nearly getting ready for me to nurture YOU and guide YOU through the stages of pregnancy. Then I get sad because we may never meet YOU :`(

We talk about YOU all the time and we get scared a lot. What we already know is, we have sooo much love for YOU and hope that we have the luck that we need to be a mummy and daddy.

Close friends are moving through their pregnancy and I talk to them about how they are feeling and what stage their baby is developing at. I want to be a supportive friend and I don't want to be a martyr but deep down I just yearn to feel YOU in my tummy. I want to love YOU unconditionally and give YOU everything YOU need.

We have so many wonderful people in our lives & they have helped us a lot. We always seem to tag along on family events but it always feels like something is missing.... And that's YOU! No matter how hard I try not to think about YOU, I just can't help it. That is why I know YOU are going to come along one day & as your mummy I will never stop thinking of YOU.

I hope we can meet soon.... YOU will make me & daddy complete!''

CD19 and my monitor just peaked which is very late for me. We have dtd cd13, 15 and 18 so far so we are covered.

That was beautiful twink....BFN,Although I already knew,I let myself get excited again to fall hard back to reality..I've never had to try before,my daughters just happened.This is so very hardNow waiting for AF to begin,last month of Clomid before the SA,that my husband does not want to do...and I don't know that he will.....

I'm sorry Kerry

I'm feeling crap today too. Have just dtd and I cried afterwards. I'm tired, I have a stomach ache and I didn't want to have sex but I had to in case this happens to be the one that gets me pregnant. So sick of this.

Sorry kerry don't know what to say - its all such an emotional roller coaster but lately we also seem to be going down on it

* winkle* that post made me well up! So lovely to read that. Thanks x

Hope your stomach ache goes away and you feel better soon. Dtd sucks right now as we both feel so demotivated and hopeless.

Cycle day 1...a new chance to try all over again

Managed to dtd last night without crying yaay me

Hey, small victories still need to be celebrated!

Well, I come on for a moan as usual. Was REALLY hoping this was our month as it's off to the IVF clinic if not. Bloody body decided not to give me a +ve OPK until CD26 meaning AF due on 20 April. Was going to wit for CD1 before shelling out £1,000 for the IVF drugs to start on CD2. So yesterday, I have some spotting and thought, well, AF will arrive tomorrow instead. A bit early but I am all over the place it seems so not to worry. Woke up today - nothing. Then at 9, some spotting. Just now, nothing. What the hell? I don't usually spot before AF, she just arrives. Is this CD1 or not? Grrr. Can't even get assisted conception right!

Ooh res - implantation bleed????! Sounds a definite possibility!! Fx for you!

Could it be that implantation bleed we've all heard about?

Sounds like good news!!! Oh please let it be

Fingers cross res its the good kind of red bleed.

I feel like lately thats all my posts have been doing - big fat moaning!
So I thought I'd share my weirdly horny dream last night It all started of with me and DH doing dtd, next thing I was having a three-some with my best mate and then it turned it a four-some with my best mate's DH. Oh dear lord! I will never be able to look them straight in the eye.

Oh and I had a +ve OPK yesterday and....funnily enough I slept after watching Bride Wars... so maybe that explains it

Lol at red!!
That's so strange because I had a very inappropriate dream last night about a male friend of mine - we have quite a flirty relationship but I would never actually do anything - since the dream I have been feeling so guilty!!! It was quite a vivid dream...

I always have rude dreams around OV!!

Oh no! Maybe have missed the dtd boat this month then?! Am only on cd7!!!

oh, I hope that's implantation bleeding res.
I got a positive OPK today so we are matching this month red. My cycles are now dead on 28 days with ovulation on cd14 which makes charting much easier. This is my last go before going back to the doctor for more tests.

Haha ads and *winkle good to know its not just me!

res any news? What cd are you on?

Yay I have a cycle buddy thingy

Feeling very desperate now to be a mum. Saw a mother and baby swimming session the other day at the gym. I was staring so wishfully I bet I looked like a paedo so so so broody now. Just want to hold my own baby and give it endless cuddles and lots and lots of love.

Me too red. I'm so jealous of anyone with a bump and on this lovey sunny day I keep thinking what I would be doing if I had a baby.

Hi guys. Hope you are all OK (aside from the obvious). I drafted a long post yesterday but lost it and didn't have the energy to redraft.

Thanks for your kind words after my last moan but it wasn't implantation bleeding, just AF arriving 2 days earlier than expected. My body has been less reliable this month than at any time since I began being aware of my cycles (circa Jan 2009!).

Gonna post and carry on with another to avoid yesterday's disaster.

Anyway, am now on Day 2 of my IVF stimulation drugs and feel like crap. Not sure if you lot will want to hear about the details. Let me know. I won't be offended if you don't cause the whole concept is a bit last resort and you might not want to read about it. I've dallied with the other threads devoted to it but they are WAY too intense.

The terror/delight is that I will know one way or the other if it's worked in the next 4 weeks. Ecstasy or deep depression guaranteed.

Good luck res I really hope it works for you. No reason why it shouldn't. You've actually answered a question for me I've been meaning to ask. I was wondering how long the process takes. Good to hear its only a month.

Best of luck with IVF Res...I would like to hear about it.I take 50 mg of Clomid and it throws me through some hoops throughout the month.This last AF I was hurting so badly I thought my ovary might explode,which I'm sure is due to cysts.That probably explains why I'm not getting pregnant..but who knows.I'm very excited for you....

res please tell me what your IVF journey is like. Like winkle I am amazed to know its as fast as having a miracle in a month. And yes you will have pure ecstasy and happiness in a month. PMA

Fingers crossed for you

Delurking to say very best of luck res

Me too...good luck res, I'll be keeping my fingers firmly crossed.

Good luck res.

I had a weird day. I had an overwhelming day at work and told one of my work colleagues about ttc woes.

My work colleague told me about their iui journey and It felt so good to talk to someone in real life.

I am hoping this month results in a no show from AF as always.

thingy kerry ads winkle how you guys doing?

I have my blood test for my thyroid check next week. Nothing else exciting in ttc life right now. Long stopped symptom spotting.

Just praying we all see two lines on a stick soon. Fingers crossed for us all.

Hi red!!On last day of Clomid pills(for this month)CD 10...Waiting till I'm a little closer to ovulation to start drinking the dreadful Grapefruit juice...A friend of mine just had a healthy baby boy yesterday,I'm very happy for her but it just made me long for my turn even more!! I do really want it to happen but have been thinking if it doesn't..maybe God knows something I don't....Best of luck to all my ttc buddies

Hey red, did opening up to someone in real life help? I have close friends and my sister that I speak to but they aren't going through the same thing so they can empathise but never understand.

CD27 here so AF/BFP due soon. Feel nothing about this process at the moment, have nothing left to feel it seems like.

Hi everyone. Hope all is OK. red it is good actually to talk, isn't it? I met someone with DS the same age as my DD on Fri who's in this boat & it's good to exchange RL words with someone who understands. My other friends who know about our TTC are either P, just delivered or don't want to be either & I do get a bit fed up if the "it'll happen, just relax, at least you have DS" platitudes before they quickly move on!

Two more birth announcements this week plus a whole email chain about how awful you feel in pregnancy!!!

Hi everyone. I've been lurking for a little while just checking in now and again. I've only been on this site a few times and most of it was a couple of years ago when I was taking clomid. I felt so crazy ten I needed a place to vent lol. I hope you don't mind me posting on here. Just to tell you all a little bit about me. DH and I have been ttc for almost 8 years. Well I say ttc for that long but I'm sure you understand that after a while DTD loses its appeal for a while so it's probably more like 5 years in reality. Like you all I'm still hoping for a bfp in 2013 and seem to have somewhat regained my determination a little. Have done the bbt/poas/ocd etc etc lol and now I have bitten the bullet and forked out another fortune on a CBFM. I'm only on the first cycle if usin it so will have to see how good it is and whether it works. DH and I have had all kinds of tests over the years but nothing "wrong" found and all results appear normal. Anyway I just wanted to wish all of you good luck and happy humping ;) I'll be hoping for BFP's for all of us very soon

Welcome auntiemoo..hopes and prayers for a BFP in 2013

Welcome auntiemoo! 8 years, wow! I hope your get your long awaited BFP. Sorry if personal question but have the docs advised the next stage for you?

Good luck with the clomid and hope grapefruit juice works for you kerry

res and winkle there are two kinds of RL people who I have confided in. 1-people who fell easily pregnant
2-people who struggled on their ttc journeys.

I have found the second group to be the most sympathetic. The first group like you say are either too obsessed with their pregnancies,babies or motherhood to give a crap about my ttc woes. So I haven't talked to them about it much. I find it easier to not share with them. At least then I don't hate them for not being sympathetic.

The second group of people has been surprisingly relieving to talk to. I feel so uplifted and feel like I am not the only one and their stories make me hope that one day I will have a baby.

I am on cd20 and have some twinges but nothing convincing. 4/5dpo.

I think now that I am coming closer to my self imposed deadline (another 3months) of ttc - I am going to give it my best shot the next 3 months. Would like to try out SMEP again for 2 months in a row! God help DH!

Hi auntiemoo - 8 years is a long journey. Hope you get your bfp soon.

Thanks for the welcomes folks, Twinkle, I don't mind the question at all, it's been long time since we have spoken to health professionals about it, a few years ago I had 6 months of clomid and from there we were given an appointment at St Mary's Hospital in manchester to go for IVF treatment, so I filled in all the forms, which, if you aren't familiar with ask you all the regular questions like height, weight, smoker etc. At the time I was overweight and being honest on my form I told them so, I didn't reduce my weight by a few pounds or anything as the consultant who arranged the appointment for us was aware that I was continuing to lose weight, don't get me wrong, I was just on the wrong side of a BMI of 30 by one, so 31. We received an appointment, both took a day off work, got our hopes up like you do, when we arrived at St Mary's, the first thing they did was weigh me, my weight had reduced from what was on the form by 2lbs according to their scales, I was promptly told to go home, lose weight as they couldn't even take a blood test until I had done that, which would have been fine and I understand that we have to give these things the best chance, however when I asked whether I do that then contact the hospital to rearrange, bearing in mind I was only around 9lbs away from being the maximum I could be, I was told that I would have to start again with the process and contact my GP! I broke my heart and haven't been able to even consider it since, happily my BMI is now only 26 and I have worked my butt off to get it there but I still can't do it, it was at this point we kind of gave up for a while so I think that as there is no explanation for it not having happened yet and honestly believing that we haven't perhaps tried as hard as we could have for a long time, it's worth getting back on the baby making wagon lol, anyway, sorry for the rant, it's nice to get it out thought, I promise I'm not always such a miserable swine hahahaha, I can't say that I haven't felt bitter about it before but I'm ok now and feeling a lot more positive which can't be anything but helpful, the weight loss has helped too I think because I feel healthier and I haven't been this weight since before we got married 8 years ago so all of these things have to help. Thanks again for welcoming me onto this thread, I was a bit nervous about posting because it's been going a while and I've just been lurking like a weirdo hahahaha. I'm on CD 8 now and CBFM says high but it is the first month so it's still getting to know me lol, but not to waste any possible high days was planning on seducing the husband last night when he got home from work, turned out that, in the words of a friend....seduction thy name is pipe cleaner, I'm at a 70's themed fancy dress on Friday night and was trying out the technique of making my hair afro curly using pipe cleaners so had put one in my hair, I was fast asleep by the time the husband got home and the first thing he saw was a tinsel like pipe cleaner in my hair glinting in the dark....can't say I'd have wanted to wake me up either hahahahahaha so in actual fact, seduction thy name is most certainly not pipe cleaner

Hehe that's a funny story moo! Well done on your weightloss, that's amazing. Good luck, I hope you get your BFP soon.

I'm on cd28. Have had twinges but don't feel any different from any other month.

How are you getting on res?

Had a good read through the thread last night. I'm sorry if I still get folks mixed up. Whilst I hate the fact that we have all had ups and downs its kinda nice to know that I'm not crackers and its normal to feel angry and upset and that seeing people which their bumps and prams and those who conceive really easily drives me to distraction is a normal reaction to the situation. I've been avoiding ikea for years lol it seems that ikea is the upduffed ladies choice of shopping venue and at least half of the women there are waddling and holding their backs hahahaha. Fx for everyone wink hoping af doesn't show herself. res how are you getting on with the Ivf drugs?

I'm actually on cd10 today, I got mixed up yesterday bloody loon. It's no wonder I don't have any kids yet lmao. A friend of mine had a DS last month and she had quite a time of it through both pregnancy and labour. So much so I considered being a crazy cat lady instead lol. I told the husband that I was buyin 25 cats and moving to Peru instead haha

Where is everyone up to at the min. I'm gettin a bit mixed up with everyone and don't want to miss anyone out

Anyway time for work sighhhhhhhhhhh, have a good day all, happy humping

Moo we are in cycle together..I'm on day 11-but my cycles tend to fluctuate between 30-35 days...can make things a tad difficult that way!!!I'm really going to try hard this month(not like I haven't the last four).If I were to get pregnant this month I would deliver one month before my 39th birthday.The numbers mess with me a bit...I know it really doesn't matter but it would be niceDid your hair turn out nice today?So you will be all beautiful and ready to DTD tonight!!!I'm not at ovulation point yet..maybe in a few days I will be getting geared up..Best of luck to all my ttc buddies!!!

I am back, again, for about the forth time but I am seeing it through until the BFP now! My TTC pause has come to an end as of this month and it has already sent me mental I forgot how much I hate this. Body back to playing tricks already and can' test until 5th May. Come on 2013 BFP though!

Sorry I can't go through all your other posts but hoping to get to know you all again. Hopefully not too many oldies around here any more as they have moved over the the pregnant/baby boards!

Hi dulcet. I'm still here!

Hi winkle. 1st stim scan today (so many new terms to learn) and OK - lots of follicles of the right size for day 7. I have no real idea what that means save that by this time next week, they'll have whipped out any eggs, tried to get them to play ball with DH's sperm and put back any which have fertilised. Then it's the joy of the 2WW. How're you doing?

Hi res! Sorry to see you are still here but sounds like you are getting help at least?

2ww is balls though!

Hi dulcet - how are you doing?

I wrote a long message twice! And twice I lost the post!! Arrrgggghhhh

Just wanted to say good luck with the EC next week res i never thought I'd say this but ivf sounds exciting when you see how each week that passes is one step closer to getting that bfp!

Hi again everyone.
I've become sick of dtd so we've had a month off. Still managed the day before ovulation which is good enough. I'm now 7dpo. Hopefully after this break I can start to see dtd as being fun again instead of a ttc chore.
Everyone seems to be pregnant now. Even my doctor who I was supposed to see next month for tests is on maternity leave. Perhaps its just the removal of winter coats making it more obvious though. I heard that a relative was pregnant by IVF and I had no idea they were trying. Before my own fertility problems I assumed that if a couple didnt have children that was due to choice. But now I'm realising how common this is. I'm exstatic for her as this will be her first and she will be a wonderful mum but wow that scan picture made my heart sink a little.
I feel better after writing that, it really helps to share all these worries.
So where is everyone in their cycles? How are you feeling res? And red, are you 8dpo now?
oh welcome to all the newbies and returners.

Hey Red, I'm alright thanks. Getting back into the TTC swing. Trying the relaxed approach for a bit. That sounded a lot easier than it is!

I know what you mean Thingy, so many pregnancy announcements!! How are they doing it?

There does seem to have been a lot of pregnancy announcements recently. Does anyone else do that mental thing with the "these things come in 3's" saying and count em up with the people you know to see if there is an available slot for you in one of the trio's. I must be going daft lol.

Well I managed to very poorly time a night out on the razzle dazzle last night. Went to a fancy dress party for a friends 50th birthday. Got home just before 3am looking like something the 80's threw up hahaha. Had a few too many though oops. CBFM this morning says peak hope my egg isn't scrambled!

Good luck res have everything crossed for you for a basket full of sticky eggs

I'm on holiday from work for the next two weeks am thinking that I may drive myself mental with the 2ww this cycle as I won't have anything else that I have to focus on. Oh good lord please keep me relatively sane lol

I am not sure where I am in my cycle. I am tempted to symptom spot but know the big downfalls of it. Haven't got any significant signs of pregnancy. The scan pics make me well up these days. Announcements I can bear - its when they get to the bump phase - it like a mad stage of envy for me. I long to have a bump.

dulcet We tried the relaxed approach for 4 months and nothing yet so bringing the big guns out with SMEP!

moo haha I pictured you in an 80s costume! What did you wear?

Oh red it was horrific lol. Do you remember the program "watching"? I looked like Brenda hahahahahahaha. I had me some bright pink leg warmers, orange vest, yellow cropped t shirt and the piece de resistance a luminous pink sun visor with a mop of scraggy curls over the top like madonna circa 1985. Oh it was shameful hahahaha the worrying thing is you can buy this kind of thing in the normal shops at the minute!!! Tis a bit scary! Hahahaha

Hey girls,

BFN this morning on CD31 so guess it won't be long till AF is here.

Welcome back dulcet and I hope 4th time lucky for you.

Have my fx for you, res.

Good luck to all who are post OV and happy dtding for the ones gearing up to OV.

So sorry to hear that winkle. Yes auntiemoo, I think like that too. I almost attempt statistics by wondering what the chances are of two of us on this thread getting pregnant in the same month or maybe theres no chance this time if I've already heard two announcements recently. Silly really.
I think I might do the SMEP too red. I think its basically what we did anyway but its worth a go.
I've had a nightmare day. Despite just writing on a thread that I don't normally drink in the tww I think I'm going to tonight. There's no chance I'm pregnant anyway. But next month I'm throwing everything at it.

Sorry twinkle....Its so disheartening when you think maybe..then only one line.Red symptom spotting is the worst...that's when I almost start to believe this could be it then...total letdown good luck moo..I'm getting ready for major action myself-the time is nearing....I'm on cycle day 13..usually don't O until day 17-20.I guess better early than late..but this month I'm hoping right on timeReally hope a baby is made this month!!!

Good luck everybody

Thanks twinkle. Sorry about the BFN. Fx for next time though.

Think I am going to have one of those disappointing months where you convince yourself you could be and feel stupid when AF arrives! Must stay rational!

I am gearing up for cycle 13. I don't feel pregnant at all. Just utterly depressed with ttc. Depressed just describes it all.

Sorry winkle don't know what to say. Hope next month is our month? I just don't have any hope left.

I hear you red. I just don't know what to think, feel or say anymore about this whole process. It's never going to happen naturally for me, I have to hope and pray that IVF works for me. Utterly utterly miserable.

Sorry that everyone is feeling down. There comes a point when you've tried everything in every single order imaginable and so losing a bit of hope is understandable. I googled "private ivf costs" again, perhaps in some faint hope that the costs would be within our price range. But unsurprisingly they don't have a budget range. Its natural or nothing for us so I guess I just carry on but perhaps make it less pivotal to our day to day lives.
I can't wait to see everyones BFP announcements on here. It will happen eventually, its simply a matter of time.

It's been nearly 2 fucking years!! I'm so angry!

I'm sorry so many of us are having a very hard time with ttc and the disappointment that comes every month when AF arrives As hard as it is we can't lose hope..someway,somehow we will all get what our hearts are longing for.May not be how we have planned or envisioned but a blessing will be ours someday!!Let's just keep trying to make our dream come true...I'm sure once AF arrives for me next month my tune will change....but I'm optimistic for now...Hope our prayers are answered very soon

I hear you winkle I was so angry and over come with emotion today. Just don't know when it will be my time. I am so angry frustrated and sad.

Sorry if I've said something insensitive. Wasn't intentional.

Oh no thingy, you didnt say anything insensitive! I'm just pissed off with the whole thing!

Its just after all this time its hard to have hope. It makes you think why will this month be different to all those other months? It makes me very sad.

Oh winkle I hear you bird. I have been furious like you on loads if occasions. Something that depends on the continuation of the species should surely be easy. Also having it drummed into you as a teenager that getting upduffed is the easiest thing that must be avoided at all costs really doesn't prepare you for situations like ours. They make it sound so simple which adds the te conplete feeling of failure for me each month that goes by without a bfp. The other thing that pisses me off is the amount of over drinking over weight or recreational drug users that get upduffed as soon as they drop their kecks. I worked in custody for the local police for a while and there we people I just couldn't deal with because if the situation. It's very unfair, it makes you depressed, feel like an absolute pshyco and then guilty for being less than trolled for others when they get their BFP's be them planned or not!!! I understand you completely and have my fx that you get yours really soon xxx

Bloody hell I really should preview my posts before I post them. I hope you can decipher that there code!!! Predictive text and anger are a poor poor combination!

I hear ya auntie on the druggies and bad people who get pregnant, while us ladies who are planning to have children responsibly and really really want them have to suffer. It's not fricking fair!

Cycle day 15...having slight O cramps in my left ovary...THAT HAS NO TUBE!!!!Sometimes you gotta laugh at lifes irony

That made me giggle Kerry!

TMI alert!

I have just been to the loo and had a chunk of brown spotting and some bright red spotting too. On CD25, 8-10dpo, sore boobs gone, is this AF arriving early or the good kind of bleed?

I am not due till 7th May not getting my hopes up as don't feel any different.

Hope it is implantation bleeding Red...I had that with both my girls.Funny thing is I didn't know all of this information then like I do now..so I thought it was a period cut short...Come on good news!!!

Eek red! You wouldn't feel different yet cause you don't 'feel' the HCG until it hits the bloodstream a couple of days later. Keep us posted!

Oh, I really hope its that implantation bleeding I hear so much about. Good luck red.

thingy are you under 35? Sorry, can't remember. On the ivf front, if you are, have you thought about egg share? It cuts the cost by about 90%.

I don't know starting to feel like implantation bleeds, bfp and good news are a bit of a myth. I just can't get my hopes up. Will find out in a day or two if its AF come early.

I have had a very stressful month with work, so keep thinking I probably released a bad egg, or my uterine lining is malfunctioning and AF is going to arrive early.

kerry with the cramping in ovaries - I tend to find I cramp in both and never know which end the eggs going to come out....! fx you get cramping in the other ovary with the tube

I haven't heard of that. Yes, I am under 35, at least for the next 3 years anyway. I'll google it, thanks res.

OMG OMG OMG red, fingers crossed and good luck!!

Because of the Clomid I have definite cramps that let me know which side it's coming...I think because of the cycts I have it hurts more than it usually would.The cramping went away anyway...don't think it was the egg dropping-too soon for me.It's been dropping from the side with the tube to no avail..so I guess it doesn't matter~I just need a miracle!!Red I'm really rooting for you...I just don't want you to be let down...that feeling really stinks did the bleeding stop?for me it lasted a few days..but was never more than smears when I wiped...why does this have to be so hard....my grandmother had 8 children for Petes sake!!!

Kerry 8? Bloody hell! I too am "blessed" with a fairly fertile family. Got 1 aunt, 2 uncles and 12 cousins. Looks like my cousins are similarly blessed (many children already), just not me (yet?)

Thanks guys, but I am convinced its AF. Its turned light pink and barely there but I feel no different. I know I am not pregnant. Feel AF like cramping so she must be on her way.

8! wow! thats quite a number kerry, mine had 6 and I though that was bad!

Argh! this week is going too slow for my liking. Will take a test on Friday IF she doesn't show up. I doubt I'll get to take a test.

Oh red

A week early? Do you know when you O'd or was this a I'm-not-watching cycle?

Hello everyone. Hope you're all doing Ok? Or as well as can be expected? I've been having an anti-mn month, telling myself that that would "do the trick" BUT I''VE JUST GOT AF AND AM MAD MAD MAD!!!!!!! Aaaaarrrgh!!!!!
So bored of this ttc now. SO BORED! HOW HARD CAN IT BE TO GET UP-DUFFED?!!! (Rant over) Totally with winkle on the doom and gloom front though.
On the plus side, decided at the weekend that I was starting to go insane putting my life on hold for years while we ttc, so have booked a 2-week sailing holiday around the Greek islands late June with my DH. Partly (if I'm brutally honest) to make myself feel a bit better as I know all my pals with kids will be very jealous of me being able to do such things. But hey; there have got to be some perks of bring child-free?!!!

"Someday" with that post you've increased the chance that you will get pregnant before then and will spend an awful holiday fighting morning sickness at sea!

res I ovulated on cd16 (as per opk) and I am 8 days early to be precise. Just want AF to arrive. Fed up doesn't begin to describe ttc someday I just want one day where I don't feel so miserable and so full of self pity! Cruel is how I would describe ttc.

Hope you are one of the lucky ones who gets their bfp on holiday someday tempted to go on one myself..

do you guys think if we tried IUI in October this year we would be rushing things? By then we would be ttc for 18months. I just don't know how much longer I can cope without a baby. At the moment it's sadly become one of those 'I just want it to be over and done with and by any means necessary' I am just tired of the disappointment every month.

Red I'm bound to say go for it, aren't I? You have to do what's right for you and the waiting is so, so, so draining. Sometimes I can't even remember what I used to enjoy about life in the pre-TTC days. I seem to have lost a bit of me to it IYKWIM.

I agree with res.

Sorry someday

Cd34 here. Just want the time to hurry up where I can stop this madness and do IVF.

I'd say go for it red.
Thanks so much for introducing me to egg share res. Even if its not something we end up doing it helps to have that there as a little bit of hope instead of the brick wall we were facing.

so sorry someday.
I do have children and am suitably jealous of your sailing holiday so objective achieved. It helps to have something else to look forward to. I'm quite distracted at the moment as we have lots of days out, a holiday in Cornwall to look forward to and a possible house move in the next few months.

Last night I went to bed and allowed myself to dream that maybe it had worked this month! I had the hsg, hubby hasn't touched alcohol since mid feb so this could be it and the bfn last week was too early. I thought to myself maybe I won't have IVF and have twins, maybe I'll be normal like everyone else and have one baby, naturally. Woke up this morning and its CD1 - again.

So sorry winkle it's shit isn't it?

So sorry winkle.

18 months is a long time red...if it's within your means go for it!The constant letdowns cannot be good for you.Im on month four and it's driving me batty...so I really can't imagine how hard it's been for you...Good luck;)

Sorry wink

I feel like such a failure. Why can't I do the thing that millions of people do very single day?

*every

See I can't even spell. I'm a fucking loser!

and hugs to you winkle

kerry I have practically given up all hope of conceiving naturally. If I ever see two lines on a stick I think someone will have to slap me to make sure its not a dream. I just don't see it happening.

Ditto red

winkle and . You are not a loser, just someone who will truly appreciate her family once she has it.

Had a cry with hubby. He says he feels positive because of the changes he's made over the past couple of months and we have to hold on to hope. I'm sure ill be fine in a few days because I have to be, hey?

Res I feel like such a failure I know if you wait longer to have your baby then you appreciate them more but honestly I was already planning on how I'd bring them up and all the things I wanted to do them and what there bedrooms were going to look like, etc. I was prepared for the early mornings and sleepless nights. I'd seen so so so many friends and family members have their babies and I ached and longed for it to be me and picked up so many tips and hints that I couldn't wait to use on my own. And i waited patiently till i got married and now its been 2 years on tops of all those years where ive waited and wanted.

And now it feels like it was all for nothing. I just don't believe it's going to happen for me anymore.

Oh winkle it's like you stole my thoughts. I have been through all of that with babies in the family thinking how I'd bring my own up and all the things I'd want to do with them. Like you say just don't know when that will happen for me! For us!

Crying helps doesn't it, but I just can't see an end to this sadness till I have a baby. I feel miserable 24/7. Hell you can tell by readin my posts - they have gone from hope to empty disappointment over the months.

Big sigh. What can we do but carry on. But with a sinking feeling inside constantly.

Was weechops on this thread with us previously? Cause I've just seen she got her BFP on the April thread.

Oops just realised wee got her BFP at the beginning of April. Can't believe I didn't remember!

Wish I could blame it on baby brain hey!

Someday.....btw I wonder what ever happened to Someday,haven't heard from her in awhile?What a perfect screen name...reminds me to have hope;)That's hard to come by in this line of work~I really hope a miracle happens for us all...very soon for those of you that have been trying so long....I was with my husband 13 years before we had my daughter,we never tried to prevent pregnancy..it just didn't happen until it was suppose to I guess.My grandfather died,the next month BFP.Then three years went by not really trying to prevent pregnancy and suddenly my father in law passed away..I bet you can figure out what happened next..BFP.So I guess it's all in sweet time..but I'm kind of mortified in thinking someone has to die so I can have a child..hope it doesn't have to be that way this time around..and TIME,that's a word that scares me-I don't have much of it left in the ttc business

Oh and one more thing...I can't remember who gave the advice to hold your nose while you drink the grapefruit juice..but bravo!!!It really works!!!

Glad it worked for you kerry. Most of your taste is actually smell so holding your nose works well.
Sorry to hear that she got you again red. This process is so deeply unfair.
I'm thinking about upping my game next month, (currently on 12dpo). It was a poor effort this time which definitely won't help. I'll draw up a plan of action for DP. I'm so glad I've got such an involved partner because it makes everything much easier and less awkward than it could be. He just laughs and then suggests more ideas. He's still refusing to give up his hot baths though.

oh, no, sorry you're still waiting for AF, sorry red. Its tricky following this on my phone.

Hopefully you won't need to up your game next month thingy

That would be lovely. However, I've had another skin break out so I'm pretty sure its arriving on Sunday. Right when I have a huge wedding to go to of course. Still, I'm feeling quite positive about the future. Yesterday I stumbled across lots of stories of women suddenly finding themselves pregnant after years of trying and eventually giving up. So it can happen for all of us too.

Hi everyone. Update? Well, they pulled 8 eggs out of me, 5 were mature and 3 fertilised so if they don't perish, I'm planning on having all 3 put back tomorrow! Eek! By the way, the chances of more than one sticking are very, very low so this is just a belt and braces approach rather than irresponsibility.

Exciting! This is far more interesting than the natural approach. Can't wait for an update in a couple of weeks.

AF has appeared early. This is new. At least I get it done with sooner rather than later so I can start trying again but maybe with a bit more effort this time.

So sorry thingy

Res - that's brilliant. What if all 3 DO stick?!?!

That is really awesome res...how exciting!!!Sorry thingy,better luck next month!!I dont know about this Clomid anymore...when I ovulate or AF arrives the cramps I get are horrendous...I could barely walk at work last night..same thing happened two weeks ago when AF was here...I know it's cysts...I just really wonder whats going on in there..so strange for doc to just say here you go..just take these and call me in four months if you don't get pregnant.The pain only lasts for approximately one day..with ibuprofen and Tylenol the pain subsides so I guess I won't worry too much,but it really is out of this world pain I hope and pray so badly it happened this month..Dtd twice yesterday even though I was in such pain....Good luck friends!!!

I get ovulation pain too which resembles period pains. So, like you, I assume I have cysts. Can you not go back to your doctor and ask? I'm going in to see another doctor soon as we have been trying a year. No idea what this next stage involves but I'd appreciate a scan.

kerry the pain sounds awful. Hope they can scan you and see if its the cysts Hope your last cycle on clomid is the bfp one..fx!

res I love reading your updates. The process sounds so exciting. Eeeek! 3 eggs is fab! The bfp is coming your way soon

I have no AF yet and no way could that have been implantation because I just don't feel any different. Can't be bothered to piss on a stick as I won't let ttc make a mug out of me yet again...pride and dignity! Whatever little I have left of it!!! It's due on Monday so I guess it's now decided to take its time.

Sorry thingy early AF means an early start to next cycle.

Hello girls, just checking in to see how you lovelies are doing,
So sorry those bfps are not comming thick and fast but fx they are all comming in one big hit!
Res- that all sounds so exciting, not sure I'd dare have 3 put back just incase but my friend has just recently had her ivf twins
Red- think you could still be wrong about implantation, particullaly if its stoped altogether now? I had it and didn't feel any different to the point I'd started using ov sticks again 2 weeks later, I hope so!
Good luck to everyone else and sorry for everyone the bitch struck

Hey kitty how are you doing? How far along are you? Sorry not been brave enough to peek into the graduates thread but its always nice to hear from everyone on the other side

I only had brown spotting one day and then nothing the whole week. My boobs are deflating and I feel nothing, nada just the same old dread of AF arriving.

Small part of me hopes you are right! I will test on Sunday if I don't start spotting before.

Hey kitty!

Hi winkle, hi red!
I'm ok thanks 36+3 so nearing the end, wishful had a little boy a few weeks ago aswell! Don't worry about the peeking, I understand, I got a bfp the same day as wishful but that was sadly a pregnancy I lost and although I was lucky enough to get pregnant really quickly after I still found it hard to read at every milestone she was at as it felt it should be me too
Red- I hope your wrong but understand why you have to protect yourself now, I will say though each pregnancy is different and I've only had implantation once out of 4 plus for that pregnancy bigger boobs was literally my only symptom, this time boobs stayed really small and empty feeling till end of the first tri so both times very different, I have fx for you anyway and although it seems shit I firmly believe you will both have your babies x

There's been a lot of activity on here.
Hi kitty - how's Nantwich? My mum is SO excited about the M+S food store! Can't believe you've only got 3 weeks or so to go. Time flies!

Any news red?

Sorry she got you thingy. Mine started coming earlier than expected (usual 30/31 day cycle) and just when I was about to start stressing, I had a 37 day cycle! Our bodies play us; they're mean.

How're you doing winkle? And kerry?

Oh got all 3 on board as of 9am. Toughest 2WW yet starts here. And they give you a photo of the embies so you always have something even if it doesn't work.

Oh my god there's 3 little beans in you eeek so exciting though!
Nantwich same old, bar the m&s excitement obviously! Went there myself on thur for a piece of the action

Not long to go now kitty. Although I bet it feels a lot longer for you.
This is so exciting res. We'll be here for handholding during the 2ww.
I'm so dizzy today. This is a ridculously heavy AF. Think I might bring this up with the doctor actually. But its quite hard to judge if your periods are heavier than normal because whats normal?

Finger, toes, eyes, ears and legs crossed (as its only cd4) for you res!!

Good luck, res. I'll keep everything crossed for you.

Nothing yet res but on the vino tonite - finishing a bottle because I know she will show up.

res I am crossing Everton for you too!!' I am so merry right now

Oooops! Not Everton! Everything**

Goodluck - looking fwd to the bfp news next week. God! I should not post on mumsnet when soooo drunk!

So exciting Res...I hope they all stick and triplets are in your futureI'm on CD 21...pretty sure I ovulated on CD 18 so let the waiting begin..I'm going to try not to symptom spot and stress to hard this time..wishful thinking Red I'm not so sure shes coming for you this time..very strange to bleed a bit then stop...hopeful

I don't think the wine was a good idea last night.

I just took a test and two pink lines came up.

I knew it oh red so so happy for you
Never mind the wine you don't even want to know how much I drank with dd1
See implantation does exist lol

Thanks kitty I am just in a state of shock. Implantation does exist....but early pregnancy symptoms don't.

I feel no different than every cycle.

omg! Congratulations! I was so hopeful for you when the spotting stopped. You must be so happy.
Don't worry about the wine it can't do anything at this stage. Such great news, it gives me a bit of hope.

De-lurking to say aaahhhhh red!! Amazing news I'm so so happy for you!!

I've got this silly grin now thinking how you must be feeling. Ds2 just asked me what I'm smiling about. Aww I'm so happy for you both. x

Thanks I can't stop smiling either. Just wish some symptoms would kick in so I can stop worrying if it will end up as a cp again.

Hope you are keeping well wee

Like I said each pregnancy has different symptoms I honistly wouldn't have known ( and didn't ) first time because I took implantation for af never felt a days sickness or anything, it's not indicative of how things will turn out at all, If you went back through this thread to when I got pregnant with this one you will find my posts about how I knew it wasn't my month etc as no symptoms and even cm hadn't been the same as the time before etch know its hard to not worry especially after last time but just let yourself have a silly grin today and savour it, I always think implantation is a really positive sign ( I guess as it was for me) that its imbedded itself well to have caused it , plenty of time for you to be knacked, sick and achey xxx

OMG red, brilliant news! So pleased for you! Hopefully I'm right behind you x

Come on we want to see these sticks like last time
Winkle definatly your turn now

winkle I am never leaving you...you WILL be next!!!!!

Thanks kitty needed to read that. I am going to enjoy the moment and allow myself to get a little carried away. Just a little.

Congratulations red!! So happy for you. :-)

FWIW, I got utterly trashed the day before my BFP as well!

Let us know when it stops feeling surreal!

I told you

How has your husband taken it?

CONGRATULATIONS RED!!!!!!I'm so happy for you right now!!!!Let the BFP's keep coming

I reckon it will be res next for a BFP!!

Oh and Red, you obviously have to tell us everything you did this month so we can do it too!

Thanks kerry

winkle DH was mowing the lawn and I walked into the garden pee sticks in hand and blubbing and told DH we are going to be having a baby. We hugged for ages and then DH resumed lawn mowing with a grin on his face.

We haven't yet done a happy dance as I just don't want to get too excited yet.

Yep, definitely, even if you did a handstand for an hour after each dtd we will all be attempting it.

We dtd 4 times this month and I had grapefruit juice and used conceive plus the last 2 times near OV as I was totally dry.

I drank grapefruit juice after dtd straightaway - had a glass by the bedside. I don't know why but I had a theory that if I drink it after dtd it will make me more wet so the spermies can swim up to the egg.

Also it's been 3 months since DH has been on pine bark extract which may have helped with the morphology.

Also, I had a lot of work stress (close to a serious mental breakdown) so I thought it would be impossible to conceive this month. Clearly the stress theory is false!

Oh and I stroked the fertility statue pics religiously!!!

It was just time for that human being to be created That perfect DNA...that one sperm and egg that make it have to come together..time after time with fail because that person was not meant to be...18 months Red..all that trying has finally paid off!!I guess that's why it's so important to keep hoping,praying and trying....

I've been mulling over the idea of buying conceive plus or something similar but didn't bother as I don't think I need it but I'm definitely giving it a go now.
Thanks red Hope you and your dh have a lovely bank holiday and enjoy every second of this.

Thanks thingy! kerry it's been 12 months of ttc - felt like 18 though.

Disclaimer: I have used conceive plus 8 cycles in a row before but only this one worked.

I think the grapefruit juice might have done the trick or like you say kerry it might just be our time. It's not sunk in yet. Do you guys mind if I stick around / lurk?

Red - you need to post on the fertility statue thread that you got your BFP!

Re conceive plus, I don't need it - do you think I should start using it?

You're BFP is making me very excited as its 3 months this month that my hub has been taking the pine bark extract (as well as not drinking).

Will def be getting the grapefruit juice!

And yes of course you are welcome to stay, and hopefully we'll be following you into the grads thread v soon!

OMG! Red CONGRATS!!!
I thought the idea of AF a whole week early didn't sound right!
Yay!
And really don't worry about the wine; like others, I got very drunk just shy of 5 weeks (hadn't tested as not in full on TTC mode) and it did no harm. But I have a theory - I got that drunk on less alcohol than it would have taken usually and I think it was my body's way of saying no more.
This is great. Not sure we've had a BFP since Alex and before hers, it was Jan 1st.
You are going to LOVE it.

Red - one more question!! What numbers did your OH's morph go from and to? I'm sure you've told me before...

Quick delurk.

red I'm so pleased for you, good to see you on the grads thread.

res I'm so excited and nervous for you. Thank you so much for letting us all know how your ivf is going. It goes without saying that I have everything crossed I can cross for you.

Still thinking of all you guys and wishing you the very best.

winkle it was 2% in nov and went up to 5% in feb thanks to vitamin C(2000mg) and Wellman supplements, zinc and selenium and loose briefs. We then added in pine bark to the concoction.

Thanks when!

Thx red!

Congrats red! Fab news! The wine shouldn't matter, sure I read that baby doesn't even share blood supply for about 5 weeks or something. Shouldn't affect it.

What's the grapefruit thing? Think I've missed that one...

Delurking to say- freaking awesome news red. Chuffed as chips for u.
Wishing sticky bean thougjts for u and res.

Unmumsnetty love to everyone else on the thread.

Hey kiwi, long time no see how are you?

Dulcet, the grapefruit juice helps with EWCM.

Woohoo red massive congrats! That's great! And fx for a sticky one from me too!

Just back from holidays and glad to hear some good news!! Was so hoping this would be our month after some holiday shagging but already got cramps and pre-af spotting so feeling a bit sad today AF not due til Friday either so a whole week of depression before cd1 arrives! No! I'm not going to be depressed I've decided! So there !

Oh and I forgot to say big fx for you res! I missed the lead up to it all so can't believe how quickly it is that you're in the special 2ww already!!

Thanks ads dulcet and kiwi

Hope you are doing well kiwi it feels like ages.

Well adsum a week early spotting af? < see reds earlier posts >
Glad you had a good holl's with lots of lovin anyway

Sorry to bother you with questions red but I was wondering about pine bark extract. There is some in the wellman tablets did your DH take extra and what sort of dosage?

Hi thingy I can answer that The tablets are called pycegenol and you get then from holland and Barrett. They are good for sperm morphology.

Yes ads fingers crossed its not early AF but the good kind of bleed

thingy ditto what winkle said. I ordered ours from Amazon. They seem to do a good deal at the time. They are said to improve sperm morphology and quality.

Thanks winkle and red. DP is up for taking anything that might help things along so I'll get some tomorrow.

Hey winkle- doing good thanks. 34 weeks and so far so good. Keep dropping by every now and again to see how u all are. Am so hoping it is you next.

Aw thx kiwi, I so hope it's me next too! We are doing all the right things, esp my husband who has given up drinking completely to improve his sperm morphology so fingers crossed we aren't waiting much longer

Hey everyone not been on for a while have been trying to forget about all things 2ww related so avoided everything lol

red a massive congratulations for you!!!! What fabulous news to come back to!

res have everything crossed that I am physically able to for you come on little beans!!!!

And for everyone here's hoping all the BFP's come at once!!!!

I've had no symptoms at all in reality but my brain is constantly checking for them. Am now 9dpo and since ov I have pulled a muscle in my waist, had food poisoning, taken part in a show and been to an awards ceremony in full on posh frock which is my idea of hell hahahaha. I'm not the girliest of people lol I avoid showing leg if I can help it hahahaha. I haven't had a spot of alcohol at all and have driven to all my events so when af arrives will feel hard done to because of that as well lol. Af is due Sunday and have been feeling bloated since Saturday just gone. Had really swollen feet and ankles yesterday probably because it was warm. Managed to sunburn myself yesterday too despite wearing factor 50!!!! Clearly I should remain the milky white/slightly blue colour that I have always been lol.

How is everyone feeling/doing?

Xxx

Hi auntie, fx for AF no show on Sunday.

Cd7 here so gearing up for shag week. Red's BFP has made me feel so motivated and given me so much hope. It's given me belief again.

Oh ads, that spotting sounds promising. My fingers are crossed for you.
Good luck auntie.
I feel the same winkle. It feels possible now. I really hope you are next.
I'm on CD6 and I'm off to the doctors this morning as its been a year, well, 11 months anyway. DP has started taking the ridiculously expensive pine bark and we are also geating up for the fertile week. Its all about the grapefruit juice and SMEP this month.

Good luck thingy this month and good luck at the doctors. Keep me posted with what they say.

I brought grapefruit juice too

fx for everyone on this thread and for many more bfps rolling in.

winkle All my research on the internet told me that we had 1-2% chance of natural conception where antisperm antibodies are concerned. I had given up all hope. But I now do believe all it takes is that one elusive bugger to make it through. I am wishing for your bfp every day as much as I wished for mine.

res when do you find out? Praying for you!

BFN :-(

Good luck for everyone dele though! Especially res for next 2 weeks x

Oops! Should have said everyone else (what's dele?!!!!)

Met a friend for dinner. She's 3 months pregnant. Started trying at the beginning of the year. Crying on the way home

So sorry for bfn ads x

CD1 - I'm off to spend some money.

Sorry to hear that winkle - it's so hard. I keep feeling that somehow in the balance of things something really great must be just around the corner for people who experience pain like this...

Sorry she got you, ads.

I really don't understand life sometimes.

So sorry ads.
I haven't got anything positive to say either today I'm afraid. The doctor said that I had reached the end of the line in regards to NHS help and told me I had unexplained infertlity. Brill. I wasn't expecting them to offer us assisted conception or anything but a scan would've been helpful. He said "it wouldn't help". Meaning basically if there was something wrong that was discovered by the scan nothing would be done about it anyway. And he says that PCOS is lifelong so theres no way I could have developed it.
On a positive note, they have found no reason as to why we couldn't conceive easily. So its just a matter of time.

oh, one more thing. He questioned why I wanted a child. "So your partner doesn't have children? Is that why you want another?" I think that's what annoyed me, I felt judged.
I refuse to feel upset by someone who refers to my uterus as "your bits".

So sorry winkle and ads

thingy just wanted to say your doctor sounds horribly rude and clueless. It's not the end of the line for you. You should demand to see a fertility specialist! Someone who knows what they are talking about.

We got referred and they ran several checks (bloods,scans, Fallopian tube test, sperm analysis) before diagnosing us with unexplained. How dare he ask you a question abt children and so bloody rude I would get a second opinion or change surgeries!

I second what red said, you need to see another doc and get referred to the fertility clinic. There are loads of tests they can do on you.

Agree with the others thingy, doesn't sound like great support from the doctor, I'd get someone else to talk to. I don't like my doctor much but I don't think she'd do that. She was very honest about the baby stuff. And she can say uterus. Also, is it true you are born with it? I thought it could develop? Or perhaps that's just it can get worse.

You're right, I should get a second opinion. The first doctor told me to come back in May so why would she have said that if there were no other options? The PCOS thing didn't quite sound right either but I agree that I'm not presenting with the more obvious symptoms but I thought heavy periods, acne and losing hair might be a sign of an issue.
I'll book an appointment with someone else if this cycle is a fail.
Thanks everyone.
Dtd starts tomorrow. How is everyone doing? Especially res, how many dpo are you now? Any morning sickness yet red?

We're gonna start dtd tomorrow.

Throwing everything at it this month as it'll be 3 months since oh has had a drink so I'm going to not drink either plus I'llbe drinking the grapefruit juice post coitus! Anything else? I'm still umming and ahhing about conceive plus...

Cycle day 25...just waiting to see,not feeling hopeful sad to say.............

I'm still not sure about conceive plus either. I don't think we need it and I think it could be awkward to use so I'm going to leave it. We've probably pushed up grapefruit juice sales by 500% in the last few months.
When is AF due kerry?

Good luck winkle - I broached the subject of stopping drinking with DH yesterday - not popular but hopefully he will be on board!!
Might try grapefruit juice too - so u drink it post coitus?! I thought it was dependent on what cycle day you're on?

Well I'm not cd1 as bleeding stopped leaving me feeling very as though af is about to come but no bleeding! Wasn't really due on til tomorrow anyway but don't feel preggers either - boobs not sore, not tired like have been with last 3 pgs, and bfn too- grr! Had erpc in Feb - surely it can't still be messing cycle up!?

I have no idea. I hope its just too early to get a clear positive yet.
I just have one glass of grapefruit juice during the day or usually when my energy is lagging in the afternoon. It seems to work no matter what time you drink it.

ooh ads, could it be implantation bleed like red? red drank the grapefruit juice post shag to help the swimmers so I'm going to do the same!

res - where are you? keeping my fingers crossed for you.

May 19 should be the day of gloom for me...seems like my cycles have been getting longer since I started the Clomid(34 days).I know this Clomid has my ovaries feeling like they are about to explode..every move i make they give me pain..especially when I cough,have my period or ovulate...We are just six months in to this thing and my husband is showing signs of giving up..although this was never his idea,don't think he was ever quite on board.As soon as there was mention of sperm analysis he jumped ship really.I've got one more refill on the Clomid and if my RE won't just work with me..or let me bring the sample in we will probably just make a go of it the old fashioned way..that was how the other two were made..but one was conceived at 30 and the other 33,I'm now 38 so there is a big difference there....not to jump off the subject but I'm from Cleveland Ohio and I was wondering if you all have heard about the girls(Amanda,Gina,and Michelle)being kidnapped and kept in a mans house(Ariel Castro)for upwards of ten years!!One girl even had his child in captivity....crazy story right there!!!So glad those girls got out of that hell alive.......

FX for you Kerry that you dont need to be on this stuff much longer, sounds painful That's a crazy story isn't it about those 3 girls? Really sad, some sick people out there. Is this yours and OH's 3rd child together?

Yes,we have two daughters 8 and 5.Really have been dreaming of that boy but would be happy either way.Just want that last chance to have a newborn baby,those days were so special and happy for me(and hard)I think my ovarys must have some very substantial cyst action going on...I did live in that neighborhood those girls were stolen my whole life,until about ten years ago.I worked at a diner that Ariel Castro was a regular customer which was incidentally directly across the street from the very spot Amanda Berry got in his vehicle...

bloody hell Kerry!

My sister had drinks with him at a Spanish club..she worked at the same diner as me..it's called Dimitris.I told her how lucky she was to not be locked in his basement too...she is 7 years younger than me.The whole thing is just sickening..but how he went to the candle light vigils and fundraisers,how he consoled the family while all the while he had her..that's the part that gets me the most!!He might be brought up on murder charges for the babies he made them abort...then he will be eligible for the death penalty.He says it was their fault for getting into his car....

O and my dad used to live in that house...2207 Seymore.Of course long before Ariel Castro bought it..creepy!!!

CUNT!

Sorry but he deserves that word to be used on him and death penalty is too good for him.

Well my dilemma of whether to use conceive plus has been solved for me! My lovely friend who was ttc last year sent me a parcel full of ttc goodies. There's a box of OV tests, 20 sticks for the CBFM, 6 pregnancy tests (including 4 digis ) and a big tube of Preseed! How nice of her!

So I'll be using the CBFM, grapefruit juice and the Preseed. Add this to oh not drinking, us eating organic food and going to the gym and surely this has to be the month!

Aww what a lovely friend. I hope all that hard work pays off for you. I've also gone organic as of a month ago. Pricey but worth it for the peace of mind.

Only thing is thingy, we'll be too scared to go back to 'normal' food after this! And normal life. What is normal life anymore? I just remember the TTC life now. My OH says he's actually scared of drinking now! I have to confess I had a couple of vodkas last night but they were with organic juice so that's ok, right

Hi everyone. How're you doing? Sorry for going AWOL but am convinced on a daily basis that it hasn't worked so just trying not to think about it. That's not working, by the way!

I'm at 7 days post 2 day transfer so (I think) like 9DPO. Just cannot test as to see a BFN will be too hard so going to wait it out to my official test date (20 May) and see if AF arrives in between. Think progesterone pessaries might keep her at bay so could be that I have to see a BFN in the long run but am sure I'd "know" by then anyway.

What's going on with you, Ads? Is it a red scenario all over again???

Winkle good luck with DTD this month.

Thingy - God, that GP sounds like he would benefit from some reflective learning (as they call it) about how to treat women in our position.

Kerry to be so close but thankfully now far from such a weirdo makes you feel odd, doesn't it? What life throws at each of us is a lottery.

Oh I just have no idea what is going on!! Still lots of brown spotting and no actual af! Haven't tested since weds/thurs but I keep getting the usual pains so think she's just deciding to be a day or two late cos I've been away across several time zones etc - but otherwise no symptoms like the pg swollen sore boobs or sleepiness (usually my first symptom) so can't be arsed to waste money on more tests at the mo tbh!

Massive good luck to res and all on the 2ww

Good luck res and ads!! Sounds promising x

I know what you mean winkle, I'll end up being a neurotic lentil weaver scared of consuming non-organic hummous before long. I'm also giving up alcohol. Only drank once or twice a month anyway but if it could help I'll try it. DP doesn't drink anyway.
I thought that might be the case res, this must be such a tough couple of weeks for you.
How are you doing kerry and ads?

Wow kerry you must all feel its such a lucky escape for you, and thank goodness the girls are out now - hopefully they will get a lot of psychological help now as they must be having a really confusing and scary time...

thingy - definitely you shouldn't have to put up with that insensitive crap from your GP in this day and age!!

Afm, I am waiting for the shops to open so I can buy a s to p on! There's no point as I can feel af coming but am still spotting on and off so before I decide I must be dying from something I should just double check!!

Good luck Ads!

Thingy - oh said last night he couldn't wait to go back to having normal sex!

Bfn

And for the record I absolutely HATE clear blue - I wanted the digis but have just accidentally picked up the other ones for 11£ for two tests!! F**king rip off! Their packaging is too similar - I have done a slightly similar thing before with their stuff!

Sorry ads

Clear blue packaging all looks the same it's a nightmare. I have done the same thing in the past too. £11 for two basic tests is ridiculous!!! When you think you can get a two for a quid from the pound shop that do the same thing even if it is without plastic casing. I'm sure none of us care about plastic casing. It's the two lines we are looking for. Shop assistants should wear masks when selling anything clear blue tis daylight robbery. I was disgusted when I bought the monitor and it didn't even come with a months worth of sticks to pee on. I got mine on eBay (new) so didn't pay as much as you would in boots etc but for circa £100 you should get a pack of the £25 sticks at least! Anyway rant over lol

AF due today. No show yet but is usually evening so not holding my breath. Also cycle has been anything from 26-28 days recently and today is day 27 so it could be tomorrow or the days after anyway. No signs that she isn't coming though everything has just been as it normally is every month. Resisting temptation to poas and trying to just wait and see. It ain't easy lol it's taking all my willpower so the diet is out the window for now and chocolate for lunch it is haha ;)

Fx firmly for all still

Thanks auntie - glad its not just me! Good luck for the next 24h!! Fx she says away...!

so sorry ads. Its always worse when it drags out giving you a bit of hope and then its taken away. I got away lightly this month as AF started early.
Good luck auntie. Hope it stays away.

ads

Any news, auntie?

As predicted AF arrived in full force around 4.30am........sighhhhhhhhh.

Back to the grindstone so to speak

Don't know why I'm surprised. It's been 7 years and 10 months. Why should this month have been any different

Oh I'm so sorry auntie, it really sucks doesn't it

Seven days till AF is due to arrive...a 34 day cycle really makes things drag....I'm a little worried because when I start AF my cyst almost cripples me to the point I can barely walk..it just keeps getting worse with time.Im almost afraid to take the Clomid this month..but I know I will.Its weird but I'm looking forward to meeting with my RE and maybe figuring something else out..I'm also hoping DH sperm count is ok(he does a lot of dirty things so I don't know)I know he won't go in for the consult because he likes his coffee,He drinks once or twice a week,he picked up nasty cigarettes again..I just don't know,kinda feeling like I might throw in the towel and be happy enough with my two girls.I so want one more child,seems my husband is willing to give it to me but if he had to give up any of the things he likes..it's a no go.He did those things with the other two..but we are almost a decade older now.Well,I guess if its meant to be it will happen.Seems like my expectations are low at this point...

Sorry auntie & ads....Since red just had a BFP I'm thinking there might be a little break in between the next one!

Hoping so badly you get the BFP res

I'm so sorry auntie. This process is so unfair.
Its also been nearly a decade since my last pregnancy kerry so I also wonder if I still work properly.
Sipping grapefruit juice as I type and wondering where my CM is this cycle although the OPK's suggest I'm a while away from ovulation. Perhaps I'll have a longer cycle this time.

My husband bought an electronic cigerette today to help him quit..it's a start Says he will go for the SA too...feeling happy and hopefull again!!!

Good for him kerry - your powers of persuasion must be good!

Hi everyone. Sorry to hear about AF all around. Dreading arrival myself, particularly today cause this is the day she's usually arrive and still no wiser about whether or not the progesterone supplements will cause a delay. God, this 2WW is a killer but still too cowardly to test.

I do wonder if the going-without helps the whole process. I conceived DD at 39 at a very stressful time when I was boozing practically every day. And pretty sure the pre-conception dinner was a greasy curry...

Good news Kerry!!

Res - when can you test?

Oficially 20 May and too scared to do it before then. Been thinking back to my previous positive tests too - I got CB digi 1-2 weeks about 18 days after ovulation and 2-3 weeks about 24 days after ovulation so think I'm either a late implanter or produce hCG slowly. Telling myself that to test early is madness. Reality is that I prefer the propsect of a "maybe" to the certainity of a "no".

Good luck again res!! Everything crossed for you! Hang on ad long as you can - I agree about the maybe vs no thing!

AF STILL not showed up properly for me! She's a megabitch! Have had a bit heavier spotting so am hoping she's almost ready!!

Good on you kerry! My dh is still drinking almost the same as before we spoke about alcohol the other day so that went in one ear and out the other then...

res Your situation reminded me of this blog post a while ago. She compares debating over whether to test after IVF to Schrodinger's cat. http://ova-achiever.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/peeing-on-schrodingers-cat.html?m=1
I bet the 20th seems ages away. Good luck. x

You'll probably need to c&p that link.
Oh that's great news kerry. I gave up smoking over a year ago as did DP and its the single most difficult thing I've done but so worth the initial struggle.

Thingy - thanks for that, spot on! I know that to test will not affect the outcome but I'm desparate not to find out the truth for as long as I can!

Good luck res, have everything crossed for you (apart from legs as its shag week).

TMI but who'd ever have thought I'd be grateful for haemorrhoids (sp?). Saw blood this morning, felt instantly depressed until I realised it was from the back not front! Another TTC madness!

Not something I had ever thought I would say res but yay for piles!!! Lol. Hoping that af stays the hell away from you!!!!

Sorry res but that made me laugh!

I'm on cd15 here and monitor still saying high. Have dtd cd11, 13 and 14. Have to abstain now till Friday as OH does his SA then and you can't ejaculate for 2-3 days. He's going for a couple of well deserved drinks afterwards!

I've been using Preseed and drinking grapefruit juice after dtd - I'm trying everything at the moment!

oh god you lot do make me laugh.
I always feel bad for the men who have to go for SA's. Even my DP who is a very confident person felt a little odd and scared when he walked into the hospital for his SA. Apparently he couldn't look the nurse in the eye afterwards. Hope you get those results through quickly.
CD13 here and we are doing the SMEP again so DP is going to need a well deserved rest after this week. CM just appearing so I guess its a bit delayed this cycle.

Life is a shit. My friend buried her 3 week old daughter today .

Oh res that is absolutely awful - what happened? How utterly tragic and unfair - a parents' worst fear and nightmare

That is awful. I can't imagine anything worse. A family friend lost her much loved (IVF conceived) daughter at 6 months due to a tragic accident. I wonder how its possible to go back to any sense of normality after that. So sorry res, you must be feeling the loss too.

I'm so sorry res xx

Oh god that's awful!!! I'm looking after a lady who lost her daughter suddenly just yesterday. She was 49 but was absolutely fine on Tuesday. The lady I look after has dementia too so she keeps forgetting who has died. My heart breaks every time we have to tell her. These tales put things firmly into perspective don't they. Life is so cruel and sad sometimes. It feels like there is no justice at all

Sorry guys, that was a bit dramatic but I was on a train listening to many people moaning about such inconsequential things and I just had to get it out.
It was cot death; PM revealed no abnormality. So so so sad, particularly as another friend had DS3 on the same day so there will be a day by day reminder of what will never be.
Truly, at times, I wish that the desire for DC had never hit me. So much heartache.
Sorry for misery!!!

Nothing worse than the loss of a child...I only know from the experience of losing a baby at 12 weeks gestation...and that was very hard.I can't imagine losing a child later than that or already born When my baby was born 11 weeks early at two lbs I never was faced with more fear...when she had emergency surgery at one week..time stopped,felt like I held my breath for all those hours...today we went on a fieldtrip with her preschool to our local firestation..life is all about good times and bad,happy and sad,but always grateful for what we have

Husband has just done his jizz in a cup routine. Please pray for good results. He just rung me saying he feels crap. Gosh this journey really is a rollercoaster and it's really hard picking the other one up when they're feeling down. Sigh.

Thinking of you both winkle I know how hard that wait is. Its tricky to pretend that the results won't matter and say everything will be ok when you know the results are really important. Hope you can enjoy the weekend. When will you get the results? What were the previous SA results?
I got a +OPK yesterday so we've got to go at it like rabbits... somehow, we are really busy all day as we're going to watch Walking with dinosaurs. So excited! More so than the kids actually.
Hows everyone doing?

winkle let us know the SA results. DH's last two were OK on number and motility but poor on morph - 4% and 3%. As you know, we have DD already and 3 of 5 eggs fertilised with ICSI so you'll have a good shot whatever his results. Easy for me to say, I know, but keep that PMA.

My husband will be in the same boat as your husband next month wink...I'm hoping the results are not too bad,I'm sure it has a way of breaking them down if so...as if we are not broken enough by our feelings of inadequate reproduction....my DD's bassinet is at the bottom of the steps and everytime I do laundry I look at it and sigh just wondering if it will ever be filled again..we have two actually but that would just be wishful thinking;) Best of luck friends.. AF is due tomorrow..I presume she will be here....

Kerry hope it's a no show.

Yes kerry, I really hope it doesn't show up. My fingers are crossed for you. I work as a volunteer in a charity shop for baby and children's items and all day I sort through newborn clothes and see mothers with their tiny little babies. The reminders are constantly there like with your bassinet. But again, I'm so lucky to have had two already. I never forget that and I refuse to put my life on hold during the TTC process because I'd end up missing the enjoyment of the family I already have.
Hey, how are you doing res?

oh, btw, its my son's birthday today, he's 13! I can't believe I'm a parent of a teenager. Best get on with baking a cake really.

Happy birthday to your son Thingy!

Happy birthday thingys ds!! Bet that's flown by! Mine is 3 next month and I can't believe that!!

aw, thank you. He had a lovely day. It honestly does fly by. I was looking up at him (all 6ft of him) wondering how a tiny baby had turned into a fully grown person in such a small amount of time. I remember him turning 3 like it was just a few weeks ago. Hope your dc has a lovely third birthday ads.

Thanks thingy!

And good luck res - it must almost be testing time...???

Isn't testing time in two days res?How are you feeling?im really hoping for a BFP for you

Right on time AF is here....Cd1

Sorry Kerry

Sorry kerry.

I don't want to get too excited but thought AF was here....just a couple wipes and she's practically gone....that happened with both my daughters.We shall see what tomorrow holds..By now I would be bleeding pretty good.Just a couple wipes of some brown blood and bye bye....I wonder.....Like I said..could come on stronger later..but this is strange indeed.....I'm at work walking all around,it would usually be gush time with my ovary aching..none of that.I cant help but smile...but it could be nothing.....

Oooh fx kerry!!!

Ooh fx!!

Well it seems AF was playing games..she's here in full force..I hate when I let this happen....to believe and have your dream taken away,so cruel.....every month I tell myself I will not let my brain take off and start believing I'm pregnant....every month games are played

Oh Kerry, so sorry

I'm on CD19 and my monitor still hasn't peaked. It'll be just my bloody luck that OHs sperm is the best it's ever been and I won't ovulate!!

<joins Kerry in cave of doom>

I'm not sure how the monitor works but how are the other signs like CM and ovulation pains? Is there a chance that the monitor could have missed it or are they pretty reliable?
I'm on CD17 and I think I ovulated yesterday going by BBT and OPK'S. We're strictly following the SMEP and I'm now pretty sick of DTD. Just one last time tomorrow.
I've just read this back and the amount of abbreviations is ridiculous.
Sorry that you had your hopes raised like that kerry. Our bodies are so confusing at times.

Haven't really noticed EWCM... There's still a chance it could peak tomorrow and I'll have a 35-day cycle. I get those once every few months.

We used to do SMEP quite religiously, you're just sick of dtd by the end of it aren't you?!

Good luck tomorrow res xxxxxxxx

Hi guys. Sorry been AWOL again but not coping AT ALL with this queen of the 2WW. Couldn't even test this morning as been up so often in night that no FMU left. Will have to do it later (yeah, you're probably right, the no FMU is just a coward's excuse!).

Sorry AF arrived Kerry and for the false hope she meted out beforehand.

Hoping s* week going well, winkle (and thanks for message elsewhere).

Hi ads & thingy. How're things?

Hopefully the peak will show up for you today. And yes, I'm quite tired of dtd! It takes all the fun away but I'm quite used to that anyway after a year TTC.
It must be so tough for you res. I'm nervous on your behalf so I can only imagine how difficult it is for you. I have all of my fingers and toes crossed for you.

Fx for you res.

No peak again! Doubt it will show now as too late in the month. We've been dtd every 2-3 days since cd10ish so we're covered. Will keep going for a few more days.

Just checking in to keep my eye on res, the big day!!!
Totally understandable how nervous you are but didn't you say your af was due a few days ago by your cycle so surley that's the best sign of all? Then it will be a case of how many
Sorry for Kerry and the cruel way af started and hope your wrong about peak winkle but you've got it covered anyway x

Good luck Res!!

Come on good news.....

Hey res what's going on? Am so nervous for you!

Am cd7 here and gearing up for shagathon number gazillion!! Have bought some cheapy opks to keep my POAS addiction going!!

Sorry for mean af kerry it really sucks - mine was 4 days late so I know the crushing feeling after getting hopes up only too well

C'mon res tell tell!!!

Not being a tease but still at work and desperate to go for a wee but need to hold it in until I get home at 5. Uncomfortable.

Kitty when you have IVF, they give you lovely progesterone pessaries to shove up you from day 2 post-egg retrieval/ovulation day so they keep usually AF at bay even if you're not P...

Thanks to you all for your words though, you are a lovely lot. Wish I knew you IRL!

Wish I knew you too res!

Any news???

My real name is Kelly Wright for anyone that would like to be Facebook friends..my profile pic is my two daughters in bright yellow Yoshi shirts...they are 8 & 5Keep checking in for Res!!!!

Sorry guys but no good news here - BFN at 18DPO is definitely BFN. V v v v sad. Off to my cave. Thanks again for your thoughts.

Oh lovely I'm so so sorry
My thoughts are with you, take as long as you need in the cave and give your dp and dd massive hugs for comfort <big unMN hugs for you xxx>

res I'm so so sorry. Devastated for you

I'm so so sorry res. Its at times like these I wish we all did know each other properly because an online hug just isn't enough.
I would add you kerry but I deleted my FB a year ago.

I'm so sorry, res, I really hoped it was your time.

Also sending un-MN hugs to you. Xx