The Elderberry & Sausage Pavlovas in 'Battle Royale 3: Shag Tiara Death Match' - the search for the immaculate conception!

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Bunnygirlie Sat 09-Mar-13 23:17:48

Entrant criteria: TTC #1, over 30, TTC for 3+months, OPK & EWCM obsession, NO instadiffers. (Thread 6)

Bunnygirlie Sat 09-Mar-13 23:18:32

Did everybody make it here safely?

Shoots in on the shuttle... and posts last version of the list (sorry if newbies i've missed you, please update and repost or ask me to do it if you're on your phone)

Aquarius, 32, cycle 10/11, af due 8 March ish
SidneyBristow, 38, ttc since July 2012 (cycle 8), AF due 8 March; awaiting blood test results & appt for ultrasound
MavisCruet176, 35, cycle 5 since mmc, af due 14 March
Boodle, 30, Cycle 19, awaiting FS referral and AF due 15th March
Happylass, 35 cycle 7 AF due 17th March
PowderPuffs, 31, Cycle 5, BFP due 18th March
Merkin, 31, cycle 8, AF due between 19 and 21 Mar
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc since January 2012, BFP due 21 March
Twinklestar2, 34, ttc since August 2011, BFP due 22 March
Thunderbuns, 34, cycle 3 since mmc, af due 23rd March
Bunny, 33, married, TTC since June 2012, getting blood tests, hubby having tests too, AF due 27th March
CaptainMoll - 32, TTC since August 2011, AF due 27 March ish Lap and Dye in a couple of months, DH still awaiting proper test results.. *sigh
Pipbin, 37, TTC since May 2011, on the waiting list for IVF AF due 30th March
ILoveMyCats - 31 (nearly 32), ttc #1 since sept 2012, cycle 3 due to long cycle craziness AF due date unknown but FX soon!
Sloaneraver, 34, married, TTC for first time since Feb 2013
Soph 33, married, TTC #1 since Jul 11, on IUI waiting list
Haycorn, 30, TTC for 6 months
Qazxc
Tallyra, 33, TTC since 2009, 3 MCs, doctors appt on 11th to ask many questions.
cherrycoconut, 33, still on cycle #1 TTC since September 2012 OV due...? AF due..?!
Pipersouth
Frogcatcher, 36, "step-mother" to OH's 8 year old, TTC since Nov 2012, AF came yesterday & was 4 days late so had really got my hopes up :
ItsAlwaysRaining, very old, TTC one year, one mmc, one blocked tube, 4th cycle of Clomid, on CD5.

Boodle9 Sat 09-Mar-13 23:18:53

Boing!

Is that the shuttle making boing noises? If so I may have to get out my spanners

Boodle9 Sat 09-Mar-13 23:19:56

(That was me coming in on the sausage hopper as it was cheaper than the shuttle.)

But you missed the free biscuits and cake!

Tallyra Sat 09-Mar-13 23:21:29

Made it! (pants while leaning on knees like someone in a chase movie)

Is a sausage hopper like a space hopper? envy

Bunnygirlie Sat 09-Mar-13 23:22:57

Ooooooh I want a sausage hopper!!!

Tallyra Sat 09-Mar-13 23:23:14

must be a lot more sausage shaped...

Boodle9 Sat 09-Mar-13 23:23:43

Yeah! I figured we had the space sausage shuttle, so other modes of transport prefixed by the word 'space' could also be converted into a sausage-based mode of transport.

No cake on the sausage hopper, but plenty of mould-ripened cheese!

twinklestar2 Sat 09-Mar-13 23:26:37

I'm here!

Bunnygirlie Sat 09-Mar-13 23:26:43

So is there a sausage man?!?

Boodle9 Sat 09-Mar-13 23:28:46

And a sausage suit? That is going to be my new name for my onsie

That pic is amazing!!!

Although personally I like this guy, just out and about... moblog.net/view/194048/sausage-man

Bunnygirlie Sat 09-Mar-13 23:30:58

That is soooooooooo disturbing lol

Off to bedfordshire now, will try to retain the tiara tomorrow, FX hubby hasn't lost his mojo down the sofa today confused

Bunnygirlie Sat 09-Mar-13 23:31:48

P.s. your Internet search histories must be hilarious grin

Fishes out Mr Bunnies mojo from edge of sofa, brushes off biscuit crumbs and lobs it up the stairs after Bunny

Boodle9 Sat 09-Mar-13 23:38:35

Ha ha, Merkin! I like it! He's just out and about, doing his thing, being a sausage. Next time we start a new thread, you can hitch a ride on the sausage man! Giddy up!

Bunnygirlie Sat 09-Mar-13 23:41:07

No no boodle we will not need a new thread, this is it! (trys and fails at being positive even though I am a pessimist)

Bunnygirlie Sat 09-Mar-13 23:42:13

<catches mojo from merkin and pops it under her pillow for the morning miracle shag> thanks!

Penny31 Sat 09-Mar-13 23:42:14

phew, thought I'd lost you all already! Took a bit of time to find you in my banger..(hoping everyone gets the lame joke; banger aka sausage or old car....) blush

i see there is entrant criteria for this thread. I'm yet to develop an obsession with opk's but definitely got an unhealthy interest in EWCM! Hope that counts smile

Can someone add me to the list please? Total novice and don't know how to do it! Age 33, dp and I ttc #1 cycle 1 bfp due 16th of march....

Seems to be a lot of us due around same time, wishing you all lots of luck!

Right I have just (thanks Dr Google) found out about something called the Barnes test. Is something to do with low temps proving thyroid issues. Quote "If your temperature averages at less than 96 degrees F or 36.5 degrees C this indicates low thyroid". I know my post O temps are low this month but all temps are below 36.5 and average temps most months are below this. I am going to be ringing the doc on Monday....

Penny I will add you... give me 2 mins as going to do some other updates too...

Frogcatcher Sat 09-Mar-13 23:46:55

Yeh! Caught the sausage shuttle too. Tho mines a quorn one as I'm a veggie which probably also lowers chances of conceiving unbeknownst to me & I have to eat dead flesh again night all & see you tmrw. Sweet dtd for those who are & dreams for everyone else!

Tallyra Sat 09-Mar-13 23:47:34

well I'm off to bed via the ferrets pen outside in the rain. dh has volunteered to go wood chopping with his dad at 9 tomorrow so I'm doubtful we'll have much morning shagging. was hopeful til FIL phoned earlier.
night all xxx

Tallyra stay calm. I got irrationally angry when DH went out on our last fertile night, rolled in knackered and drunk and then left v early in the morning so no sex on demand when needed!

Think this is the full version, sorry if i've missed anyone or got it wrong.

SidneyBristow, 38, ttc since July 2012 (cycle 8), AF due 12 March; awaiting blood test results & appt for ultrasound
MavisCruet176, 35, cycle 5 since mmc, af due 14 March
Boodle, 30, Cycle 19, awaiting FS referral and AF due 15th March
Penny31, Age 33, dp and I ttc #1 cycle 1 bfp due 16th of march
Happylass, 35 cycle 7 AF due 17th March
PowderPuffs, 31, Cycle 5, BFP due 18th March
Merkin, 31, cycle 8, AF due 19 Mar
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc since January 2012, BFP due 21 March
Twinklestar2, 34, ttc since August 2011, BFP due 22 March
Thunderbuns, 34, cycle 3 since mmc, af due 23rd March
gilly86, 26, married, TTC 3 cycles
Bunny, 33, married, TTC since June 2012, getting blood tests, hubby having tests too, AF due 27th March
CaptainMoll - 32, TTC since August 2011, AF due 27 March ish Lap and Dye in a couple of months, DH still awaiting proper test results.. *sigh
Pipbin, 37, TTC since May 2011, on the waiting list for IVF AF due 30th March
Aquarius, 32, cycle 10/11,
Frogcatcher, 36, "step-mother" to OH's 8 year old, TTC since Nov 2012
ItsAlwaysRaining, very old, TTC one year, one mmc, one blocked tube, 4th cycle of Clomid, on CD5.
ILoveMyCats - 31 (nearly 32), ttc #1 since sept 2012, cycle 3 due to long cycle craziness AF due date unknown but FX soon!
Sloaneraver, 34, married, TTC for first time since Feb 2013
Soph 33, married, TTC #1 since Jul 11, on IUI waiting list
Haycorn, 30, TTC for 6 months
Tallyra, 33, TTC since 2009, 3 MCs, doctors appt on 11th to ask many questions.
cherrycoconut, 33, still on cycle #1 TTC since September 2012 OV due...? AF due..?!
Pipersouth, 37 married (not teacher! ) ttc since Jul/August last year, AF 10 days late but BFN

Boodle9 Sat 09-Mar-13 23:55:24

Merkin, I'm going to sound like a right old misery guts now, but don't expect the doctor to take you to seriously over temperatures. Mine are low enough to flag up thyroid alarm bells, yet despite presenting many other symptoms, they're still trying to diagnose me with everything but. sad

Ah Boodle but I am a determined cow and will refuse to leave until they do blood tests. I have a bigger bottom lip (sulky face) than a 3 year old and can stamp my feet bloody well when needed optimistic that nice lady doctor who specialises in fertility will care and be helpful

Penny31 Sun 10-Mar-13 00:06:15

Good luck boodle and merkin. It's so frustrating when you find yourself having to be firm with your Doctor and feel like you know what is wrong more than they do! I hope they listen to your concerns and do the tests to put your mind at rest.

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 00:14:04

[still shagging sausage man at back of sausage shuttle]

raining stop wasting your time/energy it's not shag week yet!!

Phew, battled through all the blow up sausages and sausage straws and glow in the dark sausages to emerge from the hen do and onto this thread! Thank god someone that I will never have to reread my earlier outburst. Feeling calmer again now and managed yet another hen do stone cold sober. Onwards to the 2ww......
And talking about the opk obsession I just did one now, at half past midnight in a hotel room. Oh dear.

Pipbin Sun 10-Mar-13 00:46:09

Bloody hell. One afternoon of sitting in bed eating mini eggs and you all naff off to a new thread!

frog I once asked the fertility consultant about being vegi and fertility and she looked at me like I was completely mad and said it made no difference.

happylass Sun 10-Mar-13 06:59:02

Went to bed early last night and the sausage shuttle left without me <squeezes on behind Pip>. Thread 5 filled up pretty fast - we are obviously chatting too much to get upduffed!!
Lurgy has really taken hold today. Temp hit a record high of 37.26 - that'll teach me for whinging about it being too low!! Think any slim chance I had of getting a BFP is well and truly scuppered sad

Penny31 Sun 10-Mar-13 08:46:10

Can anyone help? It's 6 days until my af is due and I've been very regular since coming of the pill a year ago. According to calculations I ovulated a week ago and had slight amount of cm. At the end of last week for 2 days I had lots of watery cm, felt like I was actually peeing myself (sorry tmi)! blush. Now today I have clear cm after wiping. I can't just be ovulating now surely? What's going on? confused

Sonics Sun 10-Mar-13 08:51:36

<knocks on door of shuttle> can I come in please?

Can you add me to the list as I'm on my phone

Sonics. 32. TTC since jan 2011. MMC in aug 2012. Due 22nd march

I've copied from the thread I posted yesterday for a full download on me. Fortunately my temp has gone up this morn so hopefully it'll stay that way.

My DH and I started TTC in Jan 2011. In Jan 2012 we had tests done. I had blood tests and ultrasound/trans-vaginal scan and DH had sperm analysis, all tests were fine. I fell pregnant in June last year and had mmc in August. We've been trying again since September with no success.

Went back to doctor in February who said that the clock restarts from when I had my mc, and because my tests were fine and we're both healthy, the chances are I'll get pg again within a year, so they won't do anymore investigations until August.

I've been charting for the first time the last two months and although my cycles are regular and I'm getting a positive opk, my temp is all over the place. I also don't get any EWCM which probably isn't helping.

Sonics Sun 10-Mar-13 08:53:10

Have you been using opks penny?

Penny31 Sun 10-Mar-13 08:58:38

No sonics I haven't...it's just my first month TTC and I thought I was like clockwork. Seemed to be able to tell when I was ovulating with 2 days of thick cm and then 2 weeks later af, simple right!? Looks like I need to get me some opk's? Any recommendations?

Sonics Sun 10-Mar-13 09:03:07

After using the cheap Internet ones on and off and always struggling to interpret them, I've splashed out on the clearblue ones and its well worth it. You get a smiley face when it's positive. None of this having to figure out which line is darker of the two. Far too complicated for my liking!!

You can get a box of £20 from amazon for £20

Bunnygirlie Sun 10-Mar-13 09:04:56

Welcome sonics you appear to have passed the entrant criteria wink sorry to hear about your mmc, must have been tough.

Penny31 Sun 10-Mar-13 09:05:15

Thanks will order me some smile this month I seem to have had all variations of cm imaginable, nice!

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 09:06:49

Sonics, I got pregnant within two months of trying last January and had a mmc eleven weeks later. Since then I have not had a BFP. My recent lap & dye revealed a blocked fallopian tube and endometriosis behind one ovary. I was shell-shocked (still am) as I had fallen preggo so easily before the miscarriage. I honestly now believe my mmc/ERPC has caused some kind of subfertility. Please don't be alarmed; I am not trying to scare you, but maybe you could think about having a lap & dye to put your mind at rest.

Right-o, I'm off to church and then taking my adorable, completely bonkers mother out for lunch. Have a lovely day y'all.

Penny31 Sun 10-Mar-13 09:12:19

sonics just read your previous post. I'm sorry about your mmc. Hoping for a healthy bfp for you soon. Our bodies are strange creatures, no ewcm for you yet your opks are giving positive results which has got to be a good sign right? My ewcm is on the opposite scale, I can't make sense of it just now....awaiting the arrival of opk's.

This is expensive business isn't it? I've spent £40 on different test now already!

Get a grip penny....( novelty will wear off soon)

Tallyra Sun 10-Mar-13 09:15:19

Sorry for the outburst. I'm irrationally emo today. Stay away from face ache today everyone, its bound to hurt.

However, we went to bed last night and dh was really good about apologising for hoing out today, and then we DTD for the first time since half term! if you think its bad having to DTD when TTC, you wait til you don't want it to happen this month and then run out of condoms. It shouldn't be rocket science, but obviously it's almost as difficult!

Penny & Sonics can i beseech you to not use expensive OPK's. I don't believe there is a need. If you're struggling to interpret cheapies post pics on here and we I will do it for you! Yes the cheaper ones are harder to pee on (ask Barking!) and need interpretation but they all tell you the same thing and after 1 cycle you will have it nailed. Cheap OPK's + temping + fertility friend + elderberries is all you need. Spend your money on good prenatal vitamins instead!

Rant over. Will now update the list!

Links for cheapies;
preg tests
OPKs

Pipbin Sun 10-Mar-13 09:39:36

<grabs the DTD tiara and jams it on her head> 3 times in the last 12 hours!
However it's not shag week. Thing is that DH thinks we've stopped trying. Little does he know. Well I say it's not shag week but then I've had an indecent amount of ewcm a couple of days ago and nothing since. I've long since given up on the CBFM and temping so I've no real idea when and if I've ovd this month. Might just have a sneaky opk today and see what's doing.

I wish our DH's 15 year old selves would have a word with them about DTD. Having a woman demanding sex from them and it doesn't even have to be good is every 15 year olds dream surely.

Pipbin Sun 10-Mar-13 09:39:53

Oh, and welcome new people.

Bunnygirlie Sun 10-Mar-13 09:44:28

Yep tallyra I sure am glad I have given up bookface for lent! I really don't wanna see what my people's little darlings have made/ bought them!

Happy please send some high temps over here. Another dismal 36.17 this morning (coverline temp).

Penny lots of CM may or may not be a symptom. If it's CM at ovulation time it should be EWCM (ignore the amount, is it stretchy?) If you ovulated when you thought you did there are people who say they had lots of CM around implantation so could be that optimistic. How are you calculating without ovulation. <Bores everyone> If you are not doing so already please start temping and using OPK's so you get a proper view of what your cycle is doing. <Wakes everyone up who has fallen asleep because i'm on one again>

Raining add me to your prayers please

Mavis and Sidney UPDATES. IMPATIENT WOMAN WANTS PEE STICK NEWS

SidneyBristow, 38, ttc since July 2012 (cycle 8), AF due 12 March; awaiting blood test results & appt for ultrasound
MavisCruet176, 35, cycle 5 since mmc, af due 14 March
Boodle, 30, Cycle 19, awaiting FS referral and AF due 15th March
Penny31, Age 33, dp and I ttc #1 cycle 1 bfp due 16th of march
Happylass, 35 cycle 7 AF due 17th March
PowderPuffs, 31, Cycle 5, BFP due 18th March
Merkin, 31, cycle 8, AF due 19 Mar
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc since January 2012, BFP due 21 March
Twinklestar2, 34, ttc since August 2011, BFP due 22 March
Sonics. 32. TTC since jan 2011. MMC in aug 2012. Due 22nd march
Thunderbuns, 34, cycle 3 since mmc, af due 23rd March
gilly86, 26, married, TTC 3 cycles
Bunny, 33, married, TTC since June 2012, getting blood tests, hubby having tests too, AF due 27th March
CaptainMoll - 32, TTC since August 2011, AF due 27 March ish Lap and Dye in a couple of months, DH still awaiting proper test results.. *sigh
Pipbin, 37, TTC since May 2011, on the waiting list for IVF AF due 30th March
Aquarius, 32, cycle 10/11,
Frogcatcher, 36, "step-mother" to OH's 8 year old, TTC since Nov 2012
ItsAlwaysRaining, very old, TTC one year, one mmc, one blocked tube, 4th cycle of Clomid, on CD5.
ILoveMyCats - 31 (nearly 32), ttc #1 since sept 2012, cycle 3 due to long cycle craziness AF due date unknown but FX soon!
Sloaneraver, 34, married, TTC for first time since Feb 2013
Soph 33, married, TTC #1 since Jul 11, on IUI waiting list
Haycorn, 30, TTC for 6 months
Tallyra, 33, TTC since 2009, 3 MCs, doctors appt on 11th to ask many questions.
cherrycoconut, 33, still on cycle #1 TTC since September 2012 OV due...? AF due..?!
Pipersouth, 37 married (not teacher! ) ttc since Jul/August last year, AF 10 days late but BFN

Pip well done you!

Anyone here had thyroid issues? Am off to google but would like some proper advice...

Pipbin Sun 10-Mar-13 10:10:45

Am I alone in feeling like I'm Bea operating the steam press when new girls turn up?
Am I alone in getting the reference?

<watches cluelessly as reference flies way over head> Er... ¿? confused

Bunnygirlie Sun 10-Mar-13 10:27:23

3 times in 12 hours?!? pipkin we're lucky if we managed 3 times in 12 days!!! Take my tiara and wear it with pride lady!

OMG boys are soooooo stooooopid! Joined DH in shower this morning to see if we could get things going, he starts to fiddle with me and wipes all the very expensive concieve plus off so nowt can happen! Aaaaaaaaaagh

twinklestar2 Sun 10-Mar-13 10:30:07

Wow well done pip! I get the reference!

Penny31 Sun 10-Mar-13 10:33:00

sad feeling a bit awkward in the corner over here...( not understanding pipbins comment and hoping its not a bad thing...)

<googles reference so as not to look so clueless>

<fails on googling, waits for somebody to explain>

happylass Sun 10-Mar-13 11:14:11

Haha Merkin I googled it too! Think I get it now!

haycorn Sun 10-Mar-13 11:18:11

Ooh, a shiny new thread! Although it could do with a bit of a spruce up. <sets to work tidying away barking's sausage straws and various sausage related paraphernalia before putting the poor exhausted sausage man to bed now that raining has finished with him, all whilst trying to avoid pipbin and her steam press>

There, that's better!

PowderPuffs Sun 10-Mar-13 11:25:28

I don't get it either!

Soooo just rang my mum to wish her happy mother's day, she replied "one day I might be saying that to you!"
Aaaaaarrrrrgggghh, I'm doing my sodding best! Kind of.

Pip strongly agree re DPs 15-year-old selves. It's ridiculous how the tables turn once they feel like there's an obligation.

Hello Sonics!
This site is handy re all kinds of OPK sticks and their interpretation:
www.peeonastick.com

Sonics Sun 10-Mar-13 12:13:05

Thanks for the welcome and hello everybody <waves>

I have no idea what pip is talking about either!

Ooh I'll check out that website powder thanks. I just feel like I've stressed so much squinting at lines on a stick that £20 is worth it for a clear cut result.

Although next month DH and I have said that we might scrap the charting and the opks and just try having regular sex. That's what we did the month I got pg last year. I go on and off with it. Sometimes I want to go all out charting and then get sick of it all and just give up for a bit.

sonics when you say your temps are all over the place how bad are they? Can you link to your chart? <nosy> are you taking your temp at the exact same time every day before you get up/wake up?
The only reasons I would say to continue temping and OPKs is that it gives you ammunition with your doc later down the line to prove you are or are not ovulating. And the facts show that women who pinpoint O through OPks and temps have much higher success rates on getting pregnant I'm afraid.

sonics sorry multiple posts but have to keep going back and reading your original post as on my phone. Lots of people don't get noticeable EWCM (me included). Lots of berries will be able to advise on multiple things you can take/do to hopefully increase CM if you ask. In the meantime get some preseed (use very very very sparingly) and remember OH does not need to know (mine doesn't) wink

haycorn can you come and spruce up my house while you're on??
Can someone explain the blardy reference to me before I have a strop angry [sulky]

Sonics Sun 10-Mar-13 12:25:52

How do I link to my chart?

I started taking evening primrose oil this month but only about 2 days before I got a positive opk so then I stopped. I'll carry on with that next month. Any other tips?

Is pre-seed different to conceive plus?

Sonics Sun 10-Mar-13 12:26:58

Sorry I've just realised that I've posted on another thread about using conceive plus but not on this one so you wouldn't know we've been doing that already!

happylass Sun 10-Mar-13 12:29:25

Sonic I agree that the smiley face on the digi OPKs is far more reassuring than constantly trying to work out if the bloody test line is " as dark or darker" than the control line, especially if like me you get a fade in fade out result over a couple of days. As Merkin said tho I wouldn't use them long term as they are a rip off! In fact I've given up on the OPKs altogether as I'm pretty regular so just rely on temping plus OV pains. Think I got my digis from eBay. About £9 for 7.

haycorn Sun 10-Mar-13 12:50:04

Had to google it myself Merkin: Http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner_characters_?_inmates

I'm hoping this is what Pip was referring to, otherwise I may have accused her of being a psychopathic convict for no good reason, in which case she will definitely be after me with the steam press!

sonics if you bring up your chart and right click on it you can select copy image URL and paste that here as a link (if you're on your phone when pasting links put double square brackets at either side of it). Conceive plus an pre seed are the same thing I believe

Where are the pee stick people? <drums fingers impatiently>
I have procrastinated all morning so am now off to complete a mountain of cleaning, washing and ironing. I will not be distracted <wanders of thread, puts kettle on, makes tea, checks thread on phone, gets distracted...>

I have decided I am not going to POAS anymore, I am going to PIMP (pee in my pot) which is a much better acronym IMO

On my phone I only saw the first half of your post merkin and under your name it read I have decided I am not going to POAS anymore. I almost fell off my chair!! My POAS mentor can't be going against everything she taught me!!!
But then I clicked on the thread and saw the rest of your post and normality is resumed. And I love the PIMP. Given my difficulties mastering the PIMP and mistakenly thinking that I could continue POAS when I converted to the cheap sticks, I wholeheartedly support this new acronym. <round of applause for merkin>

And also because I am on the computer to plan lessons and am therefore desperately doing anything but I have put up photos of my last cycle and current cycle charts. I am convinced that last cycle I Ov two days before FF tells me I did. This cycle I had opk + on CD17 and was convinced I Ov on CD18 (definite Ov cramps), but my temps only went up today, CD20. However, following the same combination of CBFM pattern + FF prediction from last cycle, I would be Ov tomorrow!! So basically, my prediction is again 2 days out from FF's prediction. If anyone is really bored you can probably see what I'm talking about here:

www.mumsnet.com/member/photo-preview

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 14:09:53

PIMP...grin! I love it! We all need to get PIMPing on this thread. (Although I'm now very worried that I'm going to have Jay-Z 'Big Pimpin' in my head all day; surely a serious contender for the worst song ever.)

Cheers Boodle < heavy sarcasm implied >. For some reason I've now got the lyric 'ev'ry day I'm hustling' going round my head. That's not even the right song but I seemed to spring right into it. That's not going to help me plan an outstanding SEAL lesson for tomorrow morning now is it? < turns teacher stare uselessly onto Boodle who can probably deflect it with a better one >.

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 14:24:21

Unless your SEAL lesson is about the prevalent misogyny in popular music, probably not.

My bad.

<Shuffles off singing ^big pimpin', spendin' cheese...mmmm. Cheese. Heads for fridge.>

Barking we can't see your pics - you need to make them/your profile visible to others

Ah, hadn't realised I had to make the profile visible to make the photos visible.
Try now?

Right I can see them now (just as MN makes all pics tiny - if you can copy the actually FF link for your chart into the thread as it will make them not require a magnifying glass).

From what I can see (squinting) I would have had you potentially O-ing earlier last month too, and i suspect you'll get crosshairs CD19 this month (although why is the high temp an open circle?). After this month you'll also have a clear idea of your LP (which never changes) and can count back on previous charts to understand when you did O and therefore what your pattern looks like.

I'm not a paid up member of FF so thought I couldn't share charts? I just use the app.

Open circle as I thought setting an alarm for 7am when sharing a hotel room with someone I don't know very well after a night on the town on a hen do was a little antisocial, so temp was taken at 7.30am instead which of course wasn't antisocial at all. I've taken temps at 7am before, gone straight back to sleep and taken again at 8am with no change (just to check, out of curiosity sad person that I am , so I don't think it's misrepresentative.

I've been temping for months, and the charts generally have a very clear coverline, and more often than not, a very clear temp surge. This does not give a steady LP though!! It's never less than 7 and never more than 9, but can vary between them. Am I strange? shock

If you log in online to FF (which you can do even if not paid), view your chart and right click. Select copy image URL and you should e able to paste that here

It's impossible (as near as damnit) for your LP to change hence that's your clearest indicator of O when you look back at old charts

Ignore that about LP length, it appears I may be wrong...

There is (for VIP members, which I used for the free trial period) a row for shortest, longest and average LP in your cycle stats, which is why I thought it was normal to vary (but only slightly).

Yeah i've been labouring under the misapprehension that it didn't vary. Anyways yes your link worked. I would say by that chart that you for sure O'd on CD18 with a 12day LP.

Eh? confused I thought CD20, rather than FF's CD22, with an 11 day LP (which is why I was convinced last month I was pg given it was way longer than average).

Maybe my LP's are getting longer? Which means I have a better chance of getting pg! <skips around happily, refusing to see anything but positives>

I've decided btw that this cycle will be my BFP, brought on purely by positive thinking although was being v negative at that nasty hen do so maybe next month should be my BFP positive thinking month instead.

qazxc Sun 10-Mar-13 16:15:23

Am hiding in here til bolloxing mother's day is over. envy

eh are we looking at the same chart (it's the Jan one) - 3 flat temps, a temp dip on O day then a jump on 1PO. Can you post this months link?

qazxc crap isn't it. Hide away and join us speculating massively while waiting for the 2 berries who are PIMPing somewhere

qazxc Sun 10-Mar-13 16:21:30

my mood is not helped by the fact i've had nearly no sleep, and have been doing period math on my phone and have to wait til 3rd of april to poas. bloody hate having such a long cycle.

Sonics Sun 10-Mar-13 16:24:08

Sorry for not responding to others which I will do later, but can you see this?

www.fertilityfriend.com/home/395c65/

SidneyBristow Sun 10-Mar-13 16:25:14

Well I'm out. On the way to do errands, DH and I passed by a restaurant full of happy families out for Mother's Day, and he made an Aww how sweet remark, which made me teary. Then got crampy which was much more distressing. And now my period has started, which just seems like the most cosmically cruel joke possible. Bastarding UK Mummies' Day!

So no PIMP needed (at Merkin that did raise a tiny smile from me) bc you can't really argue with blood in your knickers.

Better luck to the rest of you xx
Might hibernate for a while bc I think this is all starting to affect me really badly.

yep we can sonics

qazxc Sun 10-Mar-13 16:28:15

Sorry to hear that sidney. (((((hugs))))))
Take care of yourself.

Sonics on first look i'm going to bet your erratic temps are to do with the times you're taking them... you have a lot of open circles however as just proven a minute ago I could be entirely wrong! When you come back later lets have a chat over wine and biscuits
Sidney sorry love (((hugs))) Don't give up hope, this could be day 1 of your shiny BFP cycle. Go and hug your sofa with some crap TV and DH cuddles x

qazxc Sun 10-Mar-13 16:31:06

sonics I can see it. Unfortunately i don't have any idea how to read charts [totally unhelpful smiley]

PowderPuffs Sun 10-Mar-13 16:32:43

Oh Sidney sorry about AF sad take care of yourself

Pipbin Sun 10-Mar-13 16:35:44

See, I am older than you lot.
Here is Bea and the steam press: www.mistersf.com/images/melbprisoner083.jpg

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 17:11:50

[doffs hat at Pip's Prisoner Cell Block H reference..."you used to bring me roses..."]

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 17:14:22

From this morning's sermon (Psalm 139 v 14): 'I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made' (except for my blocked tube hmm)

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 17:17:41

[wants name change to Lizzie from Cell Block H]

Clearly raining the sermon was about me wink
Off to the pub now for a huge sunday roast

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 17:23:19

Aaaargh! When I click on Barking's chart my own comes up from last month! What the absolute downright fuck?!

Maybe that's what's happening for me... will check

FFS you're right. Glad to know I was happily admiring my nice clear temps around O without even realising it was my own chart blush Although to be fair this months chart is so shit I am not used to looking at one where the temps go up

As a test raining is this my chart or your chart
(Not as a "can you spot your own chart" kind of test, as a "does my way of linking to the chart work" kind of test)

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 17:33:36

Merk, thanks for stopping me going doolally. Very weird, as Sonic's chart I can see.

Sonic, you can run from me but you can't hide: get thee for a lap & dye!
By the looks of your chart you haven't ovulated yet, although Merk's quite correct; the more erratic your temp-taking times the less accurate your chart will be.

Pip, when I was doing my 'A' Levels (way back in 1989!) I would watch Prisoner Cell Block H until past midnight - I loved it! When you say you feel like Bea do you mean you want to fight all the newbies who arrive here so you can re-establish your top dog-ness?

In other news, my boyfriend went to Tesco with strict instructions to purchase an identical eyebrow pencil to the one I sent him with. He returned saying they didn't have that colour. I asked what he bought instead. He said 'brown/black, is that okay?'

I am platinum blonde hmm

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 17:34:26

Merk! That is my chart from this month! What the frig...?

Bunnygirlie Sun 10-Mar-13 17:35:19

grin guess who is full of roast beef and something else wink

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 17:35:52

Whatever happened to the hilarious Captain and the lovely Aquarius?

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 17:37:45

Bunny you filthy bitch! It's meat-filled mayhem!!! grin

Seriously, I am very chuffed for you both; such a huge psychological hurdle and you've smashed it! x

twinklestar2 Sun 10-Mar-13 17:40:39

Well done bunny and mr bunny! I hope this is your month.

So sorry sid, this process is cruel.

You used to bring me rooooooses! Love Prisoner! What was the bad guvnor called? Raining - change your name to vinegar tits!

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 17:42:25

What's going on with all this FF charting? When I want to share mine, I click on the 'share' button underneath the chart and then copy and paste the URL link. I'm not a paid up member - just use the free stuff.

Can you see mine? [url=http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/boodle9/]My Ovulation Chart[/url]

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 17:43:01
Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 17:43:48

Oh, and well done Bunny! wink

Fuck knows what is happening with the charts. Will let someone else figure it out while I go and stuff my face. Well done Bunny & Mr Bunny. Was it you with magic bumming pills? Captain has been around a bit and I think Aquarius got AF early and is on holiday. Then again highly likely this is all bullshit as I have a terrible memory except for instadiffers
I think you will look good with big brows - just rock this look as I hear it's very fashionable

Boodle can see yours fine, assume you're a paid up member?

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 17:47:24

Yeah, Boodle, I can see yours everyone else is being a bit thick

Twink, how do I do a name change? I desperately want to be VinegarTits! Do you remember her? I loved all the fights between the women!

Sid, I am really, really sorry about the cruelty of AF turning up today. What a shitter. Don't despair - stay rational; there is no reason why this won't be your month x

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 17:49:41

Nope! Not paid up! Underneath your chart, there are some buttons and one says 'share'. Click on that and it will give you some codes for sharing. I just choose the url one and then you have to delete some of the text to paste it here properly (you can see from my fail which bits needed deleting)!

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 17:49:44

Not sure if everyone knows how FF works with regards to pinpointing ovulation: when three temperatures in succession are higher than the previous six, FF will give you the crosshairs [fucks off to bore someone else to death]

Bunnygirlie Sun 10-Mar-13 17:50:04

raining yes it was beef followed by a portion of sausage today grin

Thanks merkin twinkle boodle  and we haven't even used his magic pills yet!

Twice in 3 days (on top of cup jizzing) is a record for us this year, so I am well chuffed. If we can manage Tuesday too I will be over the moon. CD 13 and 15 done! Yay us!

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 17:51:35

Oh, and Raining, go to the 'MyMumsnet' bit in the navigation bar at the top of the page. You should work out how to get to the name change from there!

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 17:55:28

Boodle (I would ask Merk but she's otherwise engaged), how do I post links here using a word as opposed to the whole URL address (ie. as Merkin did above using the words 'this look')?

Sorry if my question sounds nonsensical sad

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 18:02:26

Hmm...I've never tried but I can see the instructions at the bottom by the smileys list. Let me have a go...

My chart

I'm here. Type 2 opening square brackets (without a space) your link, then a space, then the words you want to appear, then two closing square brackets. It's explained below the box you type in the post stoopid wink

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 18:05:11

Sweet. OK - you would do this:

The link to my chart is this URL: www.fertilityfriend.com/home/boodle9/

You then need to put 2 square brackets at the front (but no spaces - I've put spaces in so you can see!)

[ [ www.fertilityfriend.com/home/boodle9/

Then leave a space at the end of your URL and write the words you want displayed, followed by 2 square brackets to close:

[ [ www.fertilityfriend.com/home/boodle9/ My chart ] ]

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 18:05:23

Genius!! Thanks Boodle & Merkin I'm so thick

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 18:05:59

Merkin beat me to it! Hope one or the other sorts you out! smile

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 18:06:01

Apparently, VinegarTits is already in use confused

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 18:06:59

Aw, bless you, Boodle smile

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 18:08:47

All hail the far more intelligent than me Boodle. And that first post without the automatic link conversion was obviously just so that I could see clearly which of the 4 links you had copied and pasted, ta wink.
Although having confidently said all that, I'm not convinced I've got it right still as the two links below are identical?!

This should be my current chart:
www.fertilityfriend.com/home/3c06f2/

And this is last cycle's:
www.fertilityfriend.com/home/3c06f2/

Used to love Prisoner Cell Block H! Hadn't remembered enough to catch the reference though..

Nope. Both still showing my current chart, not the last one. Maybe I can't show the previous one?

raining I saw that before, read the title and decided not to read the thread, in order that I didn't weep.

Pipbin Sun 10-Mar-13 18:14:12

It's not that I think I'm Top Dog.
It's just that I feel like an old lag watching the new girls come in and know that they won't have that long to serve before they get parole and off they go.

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 18:14:34

Barking, I've got a feeling that as a free membership user, you can only share your current chart. Haven't checked though, just think I recall that coming up before.

Damn it, Raining! We go and teach you this new skill and that's what you do with it! Link us to a page that's going to make us all envy! ( wink )

PAYBACK

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 18:17:02
Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 18:18:22

Shit. That was an epic fail (sigh). The preggo chart is the very last one (Jan 2012) sad

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 18:20:24

Pip grin Yes, now I know what you mean although I like the idea of twatting any newbie who gets instadiffed

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 18:21:55

Raining sad Looking at your charts, you have a much wider range of temps than I ever have. Doubt that it means anything. Just an observation.

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 18:24:18

Come again, Boodle?

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 18:25:35

Do you mean between pre- and post-ov temps?

Penny31 Sun 10-Mar-13 18:27:06

pip and raining I'm sorry you feel that way. Since I'm now convinced any 'symptoms' are in my head, I could be here for the long haul and look forward to getting to know you all. Although I do hope you get your bfps soon, I'm sure they are well deserved! How long have you been trying?

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 18:29:35

Your temperatures have quite a wide range - mine will occasionally drop below 36, but maybe only once per cycle, if that. They rarely go above 36.7 at post-ov peak and it's like that pretty much every month.

In contrast, your charts are a lot more varied and your lowest and highest temps are more extreme than mine.

May still not be explaining myself well here! Sorry! blush

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 18:31:27

Oh, Penny, we don't mean to make new ladies feel unwelcome, there's just a real fear on these threads that you'll be the last one standing when everyone else has graduated to the ante natal threads. I've been ttc for a year since my mmc last March. Just applied for one round of private IVF.

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 18:33:50

Boodle, I understand what you're saying - I hate that my temp dips below the coverline and I hate that I haven't had temperatures as lofty as those on my pregnancy chart sad

Sonics Sun 10-Mar-13 18:34:12

Jeez this thread moves quickly! Just been to my sisters for a brew and you've filled up 2 pages :-)

Thanks for the responses on my chart. I do want a lap & dye, that's what I was hoping for last time I went to the docs but she's said I have to wait until August to do anything else. Any advice? Should I take my charts along?

I'm pretty consistent when I take my temp. Usually between 6.15 and 6.45 except at weekends. Although yesterday and today I've woken up at 6.30 so taken it at a normal time.

It's interesting looking at everyone else's charts and seeing that they don't follow the low-high pattern the websites/books show!

Tallyra Sun 10-Mar-13 18:39:18

So does everyone use ff? I've been using IP for a few years and didn't want to have to transfer all my details from my iPhone to a new app on my new android phone. would you say ff is worth doing all that for? anyone used iP?
if I start temping then I'd want to make sure I don't have to do it to many times!

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 18:39:58

Oh, I see, Sonic; your GP will allow further investigations in August - a year after your miscarriage?

I took my charts along when I went for my first fertility clinic appointment. The consultant looked at them as though I had offered him a tray of dog shit.

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 18:41:24

Boodle, thanks for the nickname-change tip - you were right!

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 18:42:17

Merkin, thanks for the photo of Cara's eyebrows she's a fucking upper class munter

Penny31 Sun 10-Mar-13 18:47:47

No probs raining I completely understand and I haven't been made to feel unwelcome, I'm not that easily put off smile

I can imagine how awful it must be if you do see people come and go. Heck, I get jealous of BFPs already! (Of course I am pleased for the people at the same time, but its natural to feel I wish it was me!) I'm just far too impatient and have a lot to learn from everyone.

I'm sorry to hear about your MMC and your struggle since and I hope you get a round of IVF soon.

Hoping my newbie naivety, positivity, and optimism rubs off on you smile

Sonics Sun 10-Mar-13 18:53:23

Yeah* raining* that's right. She said that even though we've been trying for 2 years, the "clock restarts" from when I had my miscarriage so they won't do any more tests for a year. I do wonder if the doc would do the same thing and make me feel really stupid for charting! She's already told me we shouldn't be trying to time sex around ovulation.

Ok, I give up. I can't see anyone's charts on any of the links posted, every single link I click gives me my own latest chart, although I got a 0.5 second preview of Sonic's before it flashed away and loaded up my chart again!!

Penny don't take it personally, I've only been here two or three weeks but I get the same envy and sad when someone jumps on the thread announcing they're younger and haven't been trying long all selfishly relative to my own point of reference. I immediately panic that they are going to automatically upduff and move on, flitting off again and leaving me with my 15 cycles and counting which is still only a short time compared to some others on here eating envy envy dust.

When we started ttc I didn't assume it would happen immediately, but I did hope I would be within the 80% of couples conceive within a year sigh. I joined this thread because I'd tried another one but thoughtless people on there got upduffed!! Quickly!! The cheek of it!! So I found this one as it was for others over 30, so I didn't need to be bothered by all the twenty somethings envy I would have been one of them if I'd met the right person earlier skipping in, getting upduffed and skipping out again, and, with the exception of the recent instadiffer, people seemed to be here because it was taking a little longer than statistics had perhaps suggested.

If life was fair snort people would graduate from this thread in the order that they joined!!

Bunnygirlie Sun 10-Mar-13 18:58:02

Time for a brand new list for the newbies me thinks, add your digits ladies...

Bunny 33, married, neither of us have children, cycle 10, AF due 27th March

And that took me too long to edit, so please slot it in your minds before Penny posted sigh again.

Bunnygirlie Sun 10-Mar-13 19:00:56

I know how you feel barking

Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc #1, cycle 15, waiting for fertility clinic appointment, AF/BFP due 18th March
Bunny 33, married, neither of us have children, cycle 10, AF due 27th March

Tallyra Sun 10-Mar-13 19:10:56

I just realised my appointment is tomorrow, not thursday as i had in my mind... Please keep your fingers crossed they say something useful! so...

Tallyra, 33, TTC since 2009, 3mmc, all with HG. doctors appt 11th March to persuade them something might be wrong.

also, I have decided to get off and start temping to give me a better idea of shag week. Yay me!

Tallyra Sun 10-Mar-13 19:12:04

Sorry, firgot to pssre...

Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc #1, cycle 15, waiting for fertility clinic appointment, AF/BFP due 18th March
Bunny 33, married, neither of us have children, cycle 10, AF due 27th March
Tallyra, 33, TTC since 2009, 3mmc, all with HG. doctors appt 11th March to persuade them something might be wrong.

Tallyra Sun 10-Mar-13 19:13:41

um, OK my brain has turned to mush in my hot bath that I am reading the thread in. That was... forgot to paste...

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 19:24:52

Boodle9, 30, Cycle 19 AF due any day now, waiting for FS appointment.
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc #1, cycle 15, waiting for fertility clinic appointment, AF/BFP due 18th March
Bunny 33, married, neither of us have children, cycle 10, AF due 27th March
Tallyra, 33, TTC since 2009, 3mmc, all with HG. doctors appt 11th March to persuade them something might be wrong.

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 19:25:36

Stuck myself at the top as am assuming Bunny would like it in AF order! Will definitely have AF before 18th March!

Tallyra Sun 10-Mar-13 19:39:48

in that case I need to be moved up, AF due on 15th. but I'm in the bath so I won't push fate...

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 19:40:08

http://www.whenmybaby.com/basalbodytemperature.php Something else for you to fiddle with, Merkin]]

Sonics Sun 10-Mar-13 19:40:15

Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc #1, cycle 15, waiting for fertility clinic appointment, AF/BFP due 18th March
Bunny 33, married, neither of us have children, cycle 10, AF due 27th March
Tallyra, 33, TTC since 2009, 3mmc, all with HG. doctors appt 11th March to persuade them something might be wrong.
Sonics, 32, TTC since jan 2011. 1 mmc aug 2012. AF due 23rd march

Tallyra it sounds like you've had a horrible experience. What does hg stand for again? Have you had investigations done so far?

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 19:41:31
Bunnygirlie Sun 10-Mar-13 19:44:14

Yes boodle i do like things in order lol

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 19:44:55

Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc #1, cycle 15, waiting for fertility clinic appointment, AF/BFP due 18th March
Bunny 33, married, neither of us have children, cycle 10, AF due 27th March
Tallyra, 33, TTC since 2009, 3mmc, all with HG. doctors appt 11th March to persuade them something might be wrong.
Sonics, 32, TTC since jan 2011. 1 mmc aug 2012. AF due 23rd march
Itsalwaysraining, 41, TTC one year since MMC; waiting for IVF. AF due 1st April although Clomid could screw with ovulation date.

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 19:46:49

Yes, Tally, what does HG mean? I am dreadfully sorry to hear you've suffered three MCs. Can you please remind me what your appointment is for tomorrow?

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 19:51:04

Bunny, do you reckon it was the Viagra that did the trick? Or are you just brilliant in bed? wink

Bunnygirlie Sun 10-Mar-13 19:54:58

raining we haven't used the magic pills yet! Maybe just the thought of having the back up helped, hopefully this will boost his confidence and help him find his mojo for good!

Frogcatcher Sun 10-Mar-13 19:58:43

Sorry ladies been out for lunch & entertaining parentals all day. Not too traumatised by Mother's Day until mommy dearest made some comment about how nice it had been to be surrounded by children at New Year when me & my brother were both visiting with our step children! She has no idea we've been trying to be fair. I just glugged another wine smile
Commiserations Sidney on AFs ironic arrival. I was convinced last wk when AF was late that I'd be sharing my good news with my mum this weekend. How wrong I was...

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 20:01:40

Oh that's fan-bloody-tastic, Buns. For some reason I am dreading shag week this time around as I have such high expectations of a BFP get a fecking grip, woman. This is because it is my first post-lap cycle and I'm back on the utterly pointless Clomid. I asked DP for non-shag-week-sex before and he said, 'actually, I was about to make a curry. A birthday blowjob tomorrow would be nice though' hmm

Frogcatcher Sun 10-Mar-13 20:15:23

Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc #1, cycle 15, waiting for fertility clinic appointment, AF/BFP due 18th March
Bunny 33, married, neither of us have children, cycle 10, AF due 27th March
Tallyra, 33, TTC since 2009, 3mmc, all with HG. doctors appt 11th March to persuade them something might be wrong.
Sonics, 32, TTC since jan 2011. 1 mmc aug 2012. AF due 23rd march
Itsalwaysraining, 41, TTC one year since MMC; waiting for IVF. AF due 1st April although Clomid could screw with ovulation date.
Frog catcher, 36, stepmotherBarkingtreefrog, 33, ttc #1, cycle 15, waiting for fertility clinic appointment, AF/BFP due 18th March
Bunny 33, married, neither of us have children, cycle 10, AF due 27th March
Tallyra, 33, TTC since 2009, 3mmc, all with HG. doctors appt 11th March to persuade them something might be wrong.
Sonics, 32, TTC since jan 2011. 1 mmc aug 2012. AF due 23rd march
Itsalwaysraining, 41, TTC one year since MMC; waiting for IVF. AF due 1st April although Clomid could screw with ovulation date.
Frogcatcher, 36, stepmother to 1, TTC since Oct 2012, AF predicted 3rd April according to FF but cycle variable.

Frogcatcher Sun 10-Mar-13 20:16:41

Oops Sorry guys seem to have messed up the list on my phone - let me sort that out & repost!

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 20:17:06

You can't get rid of me that easily, Sonics! Adding myself again !

Boodle9, 30, Cycle 19 AF due any day now, waiting for FS appointment.
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc #1, cycle 15, waiting for fertility clinic appointment, AF/BFP due 18th March
Bunny 33, married, neither of us have children, cycle 10, AF due 27th March
Tallyra, 33, TTC since 2009, 3mmc, all with HG. doctors appt 11th March to persuade them something might be wrong.
Sonics, 32, TTC since jan 2011. 1 mmc aug 2012. AF due 23rd march
Itsalwaysraining, 41, TTC one year since MMC; waiting for IVF. AF due 1st April although Clomid could screw with ovulation date.

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 20:17:23

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 20:19:03

Boodle9, 30, Cycle 19 AF due any day now, waiting for FS appointment.
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc #1, cycle 15, waiting for fertility clinic appointment, AF/BFP due 18th March
Bunny 33, married, neither of us have children, cycle 10, AF due 27th March
Tallyra, 33, TTC since 2009, 3mmc, all with HG. doctors appt 11th March to persuade them something might be wrong.
Sonics, 32, TTC since jan 2011. 1 mmc aug 2012. AF due 23rd march
Itsalwaysraining, 41, TTC one year since MMC; waiting for IVF. AF due 1st April although Clomid could screw with ovulation date.
Frog catcher, 36, stepmotherBarkingtreefrog, 33, ttc #1, cycle 15, waiting for fertility clinic appointment, AF/BFP due 18th March

Please anyone after Frog, keep me on!!!

ILoveMyCats Sun 10-Mar-13 20:19:38

Ladies, I have loved catching up with the end of the old thread and this new one! Love, love, love PIMP. Was only thinking today that after our conversation about our recepticals that poas needed to be replaced.
Well done bunny and mr bunny. Have you got the shag tiara bag?
I have fond memories of watching prisoner cell block h late at night with my mum in the summer holidays. I might have to see if it's on DVD.....
Had my rentals and fil over for lunch today (MIL is teaching in Nepal). Was quite nice, but had had enough inane chate well before they decided to leave. I prefer my FIL's company to my own parents'...

ILoveMyCats Sun 10-Mar-13 20:21:25

Where shall I add myself, as AF still elusive? Should cherry and I be on a sub list of those with neither af nor foetus?

happylass Sun 10-Mar-13 20:21:37

Adding myself to the list

Happylass, 35, cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc #1, cycle 15, waiting for fertility clinic appointment, AF/BFP due 18th March
Bunny 33, married, neither of us have children, cycle 10, AF due 27th March
Tallyra, 33, TTC since 2009, 3mmc, all with HG. doctors appt 11th March to persuade them something might be wrong.
Sonics, 32, TTC since jan 2011. 1 mmc aug 2012. AF due 23rd march
Itsalwaysraining, 41, TTC one year since MMC; waiting for IVF. AF due 1st April although Clomid could screw with ovulation date.

Frogcatcher Sun 10-Mar-13 20:22:22

Ok now with Boodle too!

Boodle9, 30, Cycle 19 AF due any day now, waiting for FS appointment.
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc #1, cycle 15, waiting for fertility clinic appointment, AF/BFP due 18th March
Bunny 33, married, neither of us have children, cycle 10, AF due 27th March
Tallyra, 33, TTC since 2009, 3mmc, all with HG. doctors appt 11th March to persuade them something might be wrong.
Sonics, 32, TTC since jan 2011. 1 mmc aug 2012. AF due 23rd march
Itsalwaysraining, 41, TTC one year since MMC; waiting for IVF. AF due 1st April although Clomid could screw with ovulation date.
Frogcatcher, 36, stepmother to 1, TTC since Oct 2012, AF predicted 3rd April by FF but who knows...

happylass Sun 10-Mar-13 20:24:39

Cross posts. Try again....

Boodle9, 30, Cycle 19 AF due any day now, waiting for FS appointment.
Happylass, 35, cycle 7. AF due 17th March.
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc #1, cycle 15, waiting for fertility clinic appointment, AF/BFP due 18th March
Bunny 33, married, neither of us have children, cycle 10, AF due 27th March
Tallyra, 33, TTC since 2009, 3mmc, all with HG. doctors appt 11th March to persuade them something might be wrong.
Sonics, 32, TTC since jan 2011. 1 mmc aug 2012. AF due 23rd march
Itsalwaysraining, 41, TTC one year since MMC; waiting for IVF. AF due 1st April although Clomid could screw with ovulation date.
Frog catcher, 36, stepmotherBarkingtreefrog, 33, ttc #1, cycle 15, waiting for fertility clinic appointment, AF/BFP due 18th March

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 20:24:43

<Weeps in frustration>

Boodle9, 30, Cycle 19 AF due any day now, waiting for FS appointment.
Happylass, 35, cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc #1, cycle 15, waiting for fertility clinic appointment, AF/BFP due 18th March
Bunny 33, married, neither of us have children, cycle 10, AF due 27th March
Tallyra, 33, TTC since 2009, 3mmc, all with HG. doctors appt 11th March to persuade them something might be wrong.
Sonics, 32, TTC since jan 2011. 1 mmc aug 2012. AF due 23rd march
Itsalwaysraining, 41, TTC one year since MMC; waiting for IVF. AF due 1st April although Clomid could screw with ovulation date.
Frogcatcher, 36, stepmother to 1, TTC since Oct 2012, AF predicted 3rd April by FF but who knows...

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 20:25:32

Hurrah! <Chest bumps Happy then regrets it as boobs are sore and premenstrual.>

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 20:29:46

[nods gravely at Boodle's frustrated weeping and removes noose from around neck]]

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 20:31:35

Does anyone actually ever read and digest these damned lists? I don't (but then again I don't read the lists of side effects that come with my drugs)

ILoveMyCats Sun 10-Mar-13 20:34:57

Prisoner boxx sets on amazon!!

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 20:36:45
ILoveMyCats Sun 10-Mar-13 20:37:15

Going out on a limb, here. AF could be due on 14th March, as that would be double my last two cycles, ie. 43+43=86. Or does it not work like that?

Bunnygirlie Sun 10-Mar-13 20:37:18

Good to see you cats and happy

The lists seem to have gone mental!!!

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 20:37:28

I am obsessed with my new linkage skills grin

ILoveMyCats Sun 10-Mar-13 20:38:15

Good god, raining, there's loads of volumes!!

Bunnygirlie Sun 10-Mar-13 20:38:19

Not sure I deserve to take the tiara off pip

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 20:39:13

I miss Merkin when she's eating.

Sonics Sun 10-Mar-13 20:39:35

I do read them to see who's been ttc longer than me! Like its some weird backwards competition or something. I need to get a grip

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 20:40:14

The only thing I once did three times within twelve hours was have a shit. I was ill sad

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 20:41:55

Sonic, 'getting a grip' whilst trying to conceive is an oxymoron, surely. Am I right, Boodle, or am I misusing the word?

ILoveMyCats Sun 10-Mar-13 20:42:32

Ah, yes. pip, queen shagger grin

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 20:43:52

Raining, I'm going to come round your house and steal your [ ] keys off your keyboard! wink

Yeah...I don't actually read the lists too much, but I still like being on there! It's a shame there isn't an option to just have a post at the top where we can go in and edit our details as needed.

happylass Sun 10-Mar-13 20:44:35

Shit, since Mother and instadiffer got their BFPs everyone else has been trying longer than me. I have nothing to complain about. Don't know how you long term TTCers manage it!

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 20:46:23

Happy, try shagging like rabbits for a year only to learn you've got one functioning fallopian tube and an endo-encrusted ovary (oh, and you're coming up for 42!) sad

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 20:47:40

...actually, we only shag like 40-odd year-old rabbits where the male has ejaculatory issues sad

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 20:48:19

I will shut up now.

ILoveMyCats Sun 10-Mar-13 20:49:00

But, rabbits nonetheless smile

Bunnygirlie Sun 10-Mar-13 20:49:21

pip can have the queen shagger crown and I'll have the tiara for a good effort! lol

ILoveMyCats Sun 10-Mar-13 20:49:33

Do you think intermittent fasting is safe while ttc?

twinklestar2 Sun 10-Mar-13 20:51:52

I'm in my 20th month of trying sad

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 20:53:16

Cats, I have been fasting one day a week for several weeks now and dropped a few pounds. I wouldn't recommend it for anyone with food issues or body dysmorphia. I eat spectacularly well every other day and work out a lot. My problem is caffeine as I've become addicted to energy drinks during work-outs.

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 20:54:12

Twink, remind us what your plans are?

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 20:55:58

Cats, when I say 'fasting' I mean 600 cals (which covers muesli and nuts for breakfast and my homemade soup for tea). Absolutely nowt else.

ILoveMyCats Sun 10-Mar-13 20:57:45

Yes, that's what I mean. Two days of 500 cals per week. I just need to give my body a rest from sugar!

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 20:58:30

I'm a bugger for sugar.

ILoveMyCats Sun 10-Mar-13 20:58:30

I must say, this thread beats Facebook, hands down.

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 20:59:00

All my facebook 'friends' are boring as frig.

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 20:59:49

Right, I'm off to watch Dorian Gray (sounds like a Dulux shade for Prisoner Cell Block H).

ILoveMyCats Sun 10-Mar-13 21:10:59

Enjoy. I'm watching Shetland

Bunnygirlie Sun 10-Mar-13 21:14:28

I gave up Facebook for lent which probably explains why I'm on here so much lol. Can't believe we're on page 9 already, no wonder we aren't pg, we're too busy nattering on here!

Anyone still around?? Writing this as i read so not altogether caught up... And yes I am obsessed with the lists and hate them being out of order or old angry

Penny ignore the oldtimers wink we all get grumpy at new people full of hope. Yet we were all you at one point and secretly we all just come on here hoping to be the first one to leave grin

sonics change doc, get an appointment quick before they get your notes, say you have been trying for 8 million years. If your temps are at the same time every day why are they open circles? Are you taking your temp before you wake up? (ie set your alarm for a time before you would naturally wake up every day and stick the thermomenter in your mouth before you basically breathe when the alarm goes off)

Fuck me raining where did you find that?? Can it also adjust for a hangover me feeling ill on a morning??

Pipbin Sun 10-Mar-13 21:30:52

I like the lists. I like to see where everyone is and if I am both the oldest and been trying the longest!
I can't believe the number of posts already. I'm thinking of heading off for the obligatory Sunday night bath now, but I fear that there might be ten pages by the time I get back!

I shall add myself to the new list in a second.

Page 9 Bunny?? which thread are you reading?

I would like to be chief lister. I get cross when they're all wrong. Am unhappy as have just watched crufts best in show (recorded) and a shit dog won (IMO)

Pipbin Sun 10-Mar-13 21:33:38

Boodle9, 30, Cycle 19 AF due any day now, waiting for FS appointment.
Happylass, 35, cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc #1, cycle 15, waiting for fertility clinic appointment, AF/BFP due 18th March
Bunny 33, married, neither of us have children, cycle 10, AF due 27th March
Tallyra, 33, TTC since 2009, 3mmc, all with HG. doctors appt 11th March to persuade them something might be wrong.
Sonics, 32, TTC since jan 2011. 1 mmc aug 2012. AF due 23rd march
Pipbin 37 TTC since May 2011, cycle 20, blocked tubes, waiting for IVF AF due 30th March
Itsalwaysraining, 41, TTC one year since MMC; waiting for IVF. AF due 1st April although Clomid could screw with ovulation date.
Frogcatcher, 36, stepmother to 1, TTC since Oct 2012, AF predicted 3rd April by FF but who knows...

Energy drinks raining? I do hope you're not drinking my supplies of those that feature a coloured cow like animal?? <stares intensely at raining>

Pipbin Sun 10-Mar-13 21:34:36

Oh and I'm not grumpy at new people. I'm just old and jaded.

And I don't want to add myself to the list as I have NOT O'd and therefore this month is a pile of red bullshit s far as I am concerned.
Are you all pissed off yet at the fact that whenever I appear I post multiple times in a row??? I shall take my punishment and go and stare at Boodles moon

Pipbin Sun 10-Mar-13 21:38:29

Oh and ages ago someone was asking about OPKs that were easier to read.
Well when I did the Clearblue trial last year they gave me a load of these and I find them really easy to use.
www.fertility2u.com/clearblue-pregnancy-planning-kit-7-ovulation-tests-and-1-pregnancy-test.html

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 21:40:43

Bloody moon. envy

Still makes me smile Boodle one of the first Berry quotes I read and decided I wanted to be part of it!

Pipbin Sun 10-Mar-13 21:44:28

And the sheep. Curse the sheep. Just stand there chewing the cud while the ram does the business and bam, they're updiffed.

Anyways i'm gonna love you and leave you... interview tomorrow so need my beauty brain sleep x

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 21:47:31

Oh those sheep. Those stupid smug sheep with their stupid smug ink spot. Ooooh, look at us, a field full of frickin' instadiffers. angry

wink!

Good luck for the interview, Merkin!

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 21:49:06

Ha ha! Awww, Merkin! Just read that my freaky moon loathing helped you choose the Berries! I feel all fuzzy inside now. grin

Bunnygirlie Sun 10-Mar-13 21:56:40

Break a leg merkin x

boodle the moon jealousy is one of my favs too!

Just looked at all the threads I've started, 18 of them!!!!! I must be obsessed! 4 were elderberry ones and the one where it all began, I am proud I kind of started this great gang!

Boodle where I'm from dots on sheep didn't mean pregnant it was like a farmer marking so thief farmer didn't come along and claim them for his own. May or may not make you feel better. My poor sister is doing all the lambing on their farm at the mo as her husband is an arse poorly and she has had no sleep for 3 weekshmm

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 21:57:52

Hey, Merkin, which dog won? It wasn't that fat boring labrador was it? The one whose owner ran like a cock?

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 21:58:06

Dorian Gray is toss.

Labrador got reserve. No it was small and ratty (am a giant breed lover) it was lovely but I think the Bernese should have won

How are the eyebrows?

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 22:04:43

hmm Nice. Do you like 'em?

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 22:05:19

Do you like the one that's raised?

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 22:06:14

I've switched over to Every Which Way You Can. Someone shoot me now.

Good luck tomorrow, Merkin. McDonald's?

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 22:09:00

Ah, Merkin, round our way, the farmer uses those funny chest harnesses on the ram, so he tags each ewe when he has his wicked way. The ridiculousness of my jealousy is compounded by the fact that presence of dye doesn't mean pregnant at all, just that she's been mounted at least once. (Sounds like ovulation week at Boodle house this month.) Still, they do get knocked up remarkable easily, don't they?

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 22:10:46

T'other day, my facebook friend posted a photo of her poochon, Betsy, after having been shagged by some top breed dog. She was pregnant instantly, apparently. I have to confess I was irrationally jealous. Can I join the covetous-of-moon-and-sheep gang?

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 22:11:32

Raining - I tolerated Dorian Gray all the way through. It wasn't the worst film adaptation I've ever seen but the ending was just wrong for me.

Absolutely love the book, although the bit where he (don't want to spoil for anyone) does the terrible thing to his friend made me feel sick to the core when I read it. Don't really know why - I'm not usually affected like that.

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 22:13:10

Yes, yes, yes - all animal jealousy is to be encouraged to make me feel less like a loon !

Sheep, dogs, cats, rabbits...and mice. Don't even get me started on mice.

Ahem raining its actually the v naice Burger King. Perhaps we need a farmer with a harness and some paint to sort our OH's out!!! I'm sure a bit of competition (my wife has more paint dots than your wife) would get them going

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 22:14:06

Tell me more, Boo, I've switched over to the ape [gagging for details of the 'terrible thing' done to 'his friend'].

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 22:14:29

Oh - just saw Bunny's claim to fame! All hail Bunny! Founder of our great and most glorious nation of Elderberries!

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 22:15:15

I'm actually imagining how rapidly this orangutan could get me upduffed.

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 22:16:05

Hurrah for Buns!! thanks

cherrycoconut Sun 10-Mar-13 22:20:34

Jeez guys <trips on a sausage and flings knackered self over threshold of thread 6>
How much to catch up on?!

I am pooped and a bit squiffy after catering for 13 this mothers day in a building site of a kitchen and then enduring awkward questions about our own lack of brood from the in laws. I MUST win something for diplomatic culinary achievement against adversity. Sadly and definitely not for our shagging as both too tired to speak now that the onslaught has retreated! Pip and Bunny I salute you, you've earned that bling!

I guess there's always tomorrow when OV may be another step closer too!

Frogcatcher Sun 10-Mar-13 22:21:44

All this talk of how long we spend on here reminded me that OH asked me yesterday if I was having an affair as I was on my phone so much this wk. oops! If I do get a BFP next month he'll be wondering if its his! Elderberry paternity test anyone?

Boodle9 Sun 10-Mar-13 22:22:56

Merkin - grin! That's how the rightful owner of the shag tiara could be decided. (And Raining - it doesn't count if ALL the ink spots are on your tits! wink !)

SPOILER ALERT!!! I'm about the ruin The Picture of Dorian Gray!

I'm not sure how far you got with the film, but as the plot progresses and Dorian stays young and beautiful, the effects of his debauched lifestyle manifest themselves in his portrait. He hides the portrait away and that upsets the artist, (Basil?). I forget the exact lead up but at some point, Basil wants to borrow the painting for an exhibition but Dorian refuses. The night before he leaves for Paris, he goes to see Dorian to confront him about the rumours of his lifestyle. Dorian shows him the picture and then murders him. He then blackmails someone into to destroying the body for him. It's very cold-blooded and grim but a fantastic read.

Dorian Gray over Christian Grey, any day!

Tallyra Sun 10-Mar-13 22:26:50

oh my god, you've gone from 7 pages to 11 while I make a quilt for my boss's new baby!!!
I'll catch up later but I'll answer the questions first. HG stands for Hyperemesis Gravidarum. it's basically extreme morning sickness to the extent of being unable to eat or drink and needing hospitalisation for rehydration. It started at 5 weeks and carried on until the erpc each time (and the first time they didn't notice until I got to 12, despite them all stopping at 8/9).
The appt was initially just to talk to my gp about preemptive treatment for it, vitamins and anti sickness stuff, but then the nurse mentioned they could swab for cervical infection (was only in there for a vaccine to travel, and I was pretty pissed off they hadn't said anything before). I'm also going to ask for a diagnostic ultrasound to check everything in the right place.
I'll let you know what they say!

now to read the rest of the 400 messages you've all posted tonight!

cherrycoconut Sun 10-Mar-13 22:30:00

Adding myself to the new list; Cats I'm wading in in alphabetical order but anyone with OCD tendencies pleas feel free to re-categorise due to symptoms to suit.

Boodle9, 30, Cycle 19 AF due any day now, waiting for FS appointment.
Happylass, 35, cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc #1, cycle 15, waiting for fertility clinic appointment, AF/BFP due 18th March
Bunny 33, married, neither of us have children, cycle 10, AF due 27th March
Cherrycoconut 33 ttc#1 since August 2012. Post pill amenorrhea. OV & AF AWOL 7 months now
Tallyra, 33, TTC since 2009, 3mmc, all with HG. doctors appt 11th March to persuade them something might be wrong.
Sonics, 32, TTC since jan 2011. 1 mmc aug 2012. AF due 23rd march
Pipbin 37 TTC since May 2011, cycle 20, blocked tubes, waiting for IVF AF due 30th March
Itsalwaysraining, 41, TTC one year since MMC; waiting for IVF. AF due 1st April although Clomid could screw with ovulation date.
Frogcatcher, 36, stepmother to 1, TTC since Oct 2012, AF predicted 3rd April by FF but who knows...

ILoveMyCats Sun 10-Mar-13 22:30:47

Good night all. Good luck with interviews, doctor appointments and shagging grin

cherrycoconut Sun 10-Mar-13 22:33:18

Tally sorry to hear of your rough journey so far, is HG what t'Duchess got? Good luck for your appt tom.

ILoveMyCats Sun 10-Mar-13 22:33:28

Have done the same as cherry

Boodle9, 30, Cycle 19 AF due any day now, waiting for FS appointment.
Happylass, 35, cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc #1, cycle 15, waiting for fertility clinic appointment, AF/BFP due 18th March
Bunny 33, married, neither of us have children, cycle 10, AF due 27th March
Cherrycoconut 33 ttc#1 since August 2012. Post pill amenorrhea. OV & AF AWOL 7 months now
Tallyra, 33, TTC since 2009, 3mmc, all with HG. doctors appt 11th March to persuade them something might be wrong.
Sonics, 32, TTC since jan 2011. 1 mmc aug 2012. AF due 23rd march
Pipbin 37 TTC since May 2011, cycle 20, blocked tubes, waiting for IVF AF due 30th March
ILoveMyCats, 31, TTC since September 2012. Post pill amenorrhea. OV & AF AWOL 3 months now.
Itsalwaysraining, 41, TTC one year since MMC; waiting for IVF. AF due 1st April although Clomid could screw with ovulation date.
Frogcatcher, 36, stepmother to 1, TTC since Oct 2012, AF predicted 3rd April by FF but who knows...

Tallyra Sun 10-Mar-13 22:34:31

Yep. She seems to be one of the lucky ones that get 'better' after 12-16 weeks. For some people it doesn't stop for the entire pregnancy. No idea if I'm one of them or not! Thanks cherry

Itsalwaysraining Sun 10-Mar-13 22:36:59

Thanks for the synopsis, Boo, very kind.

Tally, now I remember about your HG; boy, you've had it rough sad

Good night, all.

Nanight, Mum xx

cherrycoconut Sun 10-Mar-13 22:38:55

Merkin loving the idea of a shag dot competition. I never would of believed males would get ambivalent about getting a leg over yet here we find ourselves.

Bunnygirlie Sun 10-Mar-13 22:46:26

I didn't make up the name though, so I only get half the credit wink

Night y'all!

Tallyra Sun 10-Mar-13 22:48:19

I think it's fair to say I've endured quite a lot. In particular become quite familiar with award full of very pregnant ladies with babies that have very loud heartbeats and bring coffee, burgers and stinky food into the ward... (not bitter at all).

And now the worst day of the year is yet again over and I shall retire to my comfy bed and try to persuade dh to come and snuggle. I think one dtd in a weekend is quite enough considering I'm not even O at the moment :p

cherrycoconut Sun 10-Mar-13 22:55:29

Be kind to yourself Tally snuggling is gooood! Me feeling v decadent at the moment, eating crumpets in bed and winding down - breaking all my own rules about eating late, early nights, refined foods etc. oops!

Pipbin Sun 10-Mar-13 23:08:15

I'm sure that we could get our DHs competing if we had a shag tally chart they could all see.
We weren't really telling anyone about us TTCing or having to go to the fertility clinic until he had results that were so high the doctor showed them to another doctor! Then he was telling just about anyone who would listen.
He now thinks that we have stopped trying. Little does he know.........

cherrycoconut Sun 10-Mar-13 23:30:04

Lol Pip the male pride is a curious thing!
I'm not sure whether my DP wouldn't go all coy on me about a public chart - and masquerade it as outrage. I think I need something a little more devious to motivate my lazy lover. Not trying you say... wink glad that seems to be working for you. I've had to resort to the suspenders these last couple of times to get anywhere near a sniff of action. < desperate emoticon needed>

twinklestar2 Mon 11-Mar-13 00:02:02

Raining- doc had told oh to give up drinking for 3 months to see if his morphology improves. If it doesn't then it's IVF. I've also had my tubes flushed last week.

My temp is up! Yey <does weird small dance around the bedroom>

Frogcatcher Mon 11-Mar-13 07:02:07

Yet merkin! Mine was down but then that could have been something to do with it being before 6am, heating not yet on & the window open with snow on the ground!

Loving the idea of a shag dot competition tho concerned about effect on sperm quality if you subscribe to that theory! Not reassured by revelation at weekend that it took him & his ex 6m to conceive DS when she was 29 & I am 36! And now he's over 40 sad. Has anyone tried the consistent DTD method eg every 2-3 days throughout month?

Frogcatcher Mon 11-Mar-13 07:05:10

Ps good luck with docs tally. Give them hell!

happylass Mon 11-Mar-13 07:20:13

Yey Merkin < joins in weird little dance>
Mines back down to what it was before I got ill. It's confusing the hell out of FF though!
Good luck to everyone who has interviews, docs and anything else today!

Ffucker now has loads of pregnancy charts that look like mine! Yey! I still get to PIMP (from Friday onwards)!

Bunnygirlie Mon 11-Mar-13 08:28:02

Lol merkin

CD16 here (29day cycle) anybody in my gang?

DTD day 13 and 15 which is the best we've managed in months and months, not sure when I O'd as had negative opk thurs/sat/sun forgot to do one Friday so who know sic we're in with a chance this month. I'm feeling positive coz hubby seems to have found his mojo but being a naturally pessimistic person I won't be poas early! Maybe I need to be more positive!

Bunny i am so pleased for you both. Bet you are dancing with glee too!

cherrycoconut Mon 11-Mar-13 08:35:54

frog if anyone over 30 did manage to DTD every 2 days for a whole month they prob wouldn't have the energy to come on here and tell us about it wink my DH lasts for aaaages these days. Shagging has become a marathon. Esp now it's no longer only acceptable for me to come when we need his goods!

Yay for you Merkin <joins in dance - is at Morris type dance with sausages?> mine was maintaining a warmish 97.2-97.5 but has plummeted to 96.8 this morning?

ooh cherry could that be a sign of O??
More sausage Morris dancing ensues!

Bunny think Thunder is your cycle buddy

twinklestar2 Mon 11-Mar-13 09:02:02

Frog - I have tried the eod all month method. Didn't work sad but then we have a male factor problem. Have you tried SMEP plan? Hard work but it covers all bases.

cherrycoconut Mon 11-Mar-13 09:02:35

Oh Merkin you've no idea how wonderful that would be! Only patchy CM though for the last week. It doesn't feel enough to coincide with the big O. I'd be swinging sausages from the rooftops if it was though!

...pauses to consider whether to get up hopes and PIMP or just brush it off as more of the same weird see-sawing I seem to get in my no-mans land of charts...

Bunny yay for Mr Bunny's returning mojo I'll sausage Morris dance to that too!

cherrycoconut Mon 11-Mar-13 09:15:18

Dishes out sausage survivors badge to twinkle

Frogcatcher Mon 11-Mar-13 09:39:06

Blimey Twinkle I just googled the SMEP plan & I don't think we'd be DTD because I'd be too stressed from working out whether we were supposed to be DTD or not!! Also I don't know yet if we have a male factor problem or not. He has one child but that was 9 years ago, he's now over 40 & easily drinks more than the NICE guidelines with the odd fag thrown in! In order to avoid offending the male ego & therefore have half a chance of DTD my cunning plan is to check as far as I can that all my bits are in order i.e. OPKs, temping etc before suggesting trips to the dr for both of us. I'm desperately hoping <crosses fingers very tight> that the only problem is that my cycle has not been v regular since coming off the pill last yr so I don't know when I O yet so we've just not been DTD at the right time. I think Cherry may have just set me a challenge though to try EOD & survive...

A lot of positivity, mojos, great temps and sausage dancing on here today - let's hope it's contagious & we get a bumper crop of BFP this cycle!!!

Tallyra Mon 11-Mar-13 11:18:50

Just got to work after my appointment and I really don't know what to feel at the moment. The GP was very sympathetic about it all and basically agreed to everything I said. The swab came back negative so it's not an infection as far as they know, so she's going to refer me to a specialist. The trouble is, she said we shouldn't ttc until they have seen me, and they won't even get the referral for a month, then they have to make me an appointment. I don't know if I can cope mentally with the idea that we shouldn't try for so long. I did tell her this, and she said 'well, you are 33, I'll try and impress that on them'. So all in all, it was good, but not ttc for over a month??????

Frogcatcher Mon 11-Mar-13 11:42:29

Oh Tally not sure what to say. Did they explain why you can't TTC in the meantime? Maybe one of the other berries could advise better as I don't know much about mmc investigation. Perhaps they do some exams that they can't do if you are pg? A month or two is not sooo long really & I would go with it if it is going to help in the long term. 33 is not so old from my perspective. You're still 2 years off the magic number of 35 when fertility is really supposed to drop off a cliff & yet most of my friends (35+) seem to have upduffed really easily. I think i really am the odd one out (tho obvs as no one openly talks about it you have no idea really). <sending big hugs & attempts at reassurance>

Itsalwaysraining Mon 11-Mar-13 12:23:09

Twink, wasn't your husband's morphology 3%? My DH's is 3% but he managed to get me pregnant last year. Weird, innit.

Comparing shag graphs would all but finish my poor fella. He knows full well we should be having more sex but there are very delicate issues of ejaculatory fails in our house and I have no desire to remind him how often you lot are shagging. Suspenders are good. I have some enbarrassingly frou-frou knickers (very kitsch) which I slide on from time-to-time; too often and they become as familiar as the dish cloth.

Merkin, good luck today, darling. Please will you post a link to your chart? I'm intrigued.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DARLING BOYFRIEND!! thanks [flexes jaw ready for birthday blowjob this evening]

Itsalwaysraining Mon 11-Mar-13 12:24:02

Twink, I meant my DP not my DH! [wishful thinking]

Itsalwaysraining Mon 11-Mar-13 12:35:38

Tally, I'm sorry you've been told to wait. The specialist will want to test you for high NK (killer) cells which attack an implanted embryo causing it to abort. Don't be alarmed; this might prove not to be the case but it's actually very important you don't get pregnant in the meantime to save a lot of anguish. I'm so glad she's sending you to a specialist; that's a really positive step forward. Knowledge Is Power smile

Itsalwaysraining Mon 11-Mar-13 12:37:36

Why are you sausage morris dancing when you clearly need to be celebrating risen temps with the Sausage Shuffle?

In other news I'm off to tackle them there hills in my new trainers smile

Can you tackle some hills for me please? Interview went well, find out this afternoon (have put them under some time pressure for a quick decision). So very shortly may no longer be able to doss on here all day....

Raining & Tally I've got to say it sounds a bit weird to ask someone to stop TTC in case there is something wrong. Why don't we all just stop / never start trying until they have ran loads of tests on us then??

Frogcatcher Mon 11-Mar-13 14:01:43

You can't go to work Merkin - who would then supply us on demand with the best links to OPKs & other TTC paraphernalia?! FX though for good news.

One of my colleagues openly admits to having been TTC for 7 years before it happened. She moved jobs thereby losing all her rights to enhanced maternity pay (but saying goodbye to a lot of stress too apparently) & hey presto! She was upduffed but broke.

Just out of curiosity have any of the sausage graduates had twins? I know we'd all just be grateful to be pg with 1 but it is supposed to be more common to older women over 30 with or without IVF. <ducks flying sausages thrown at the mention of those lucky to only have to go through this once & get 2 babies>

Tallyra Mon 11-Mar-13 14:38:02

I have to say, it does make some kind of peverted sense to me to stop, just doesn't make sense to my baby wanting bit. I definitely don't want to go through another hyperemesis session knowing that they haven't investigated the mmc part and that I could yet again get to 9 weeks after being in hospital for the last 2 of them. I don't want to go through it again needlessly. I don't want to go through it again at all if I can help it, but in my case it seems that it's the only way to come out of it the other end as a mother. Just makes me want to scream
WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THIS AFTER I MCD BACK IN JULY AND INSTEAD WAIT FOR ME TO INITIATE IT???????? I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I COULD DO, YOU STUPID PEOPLE!
Sorry, shouting rant over. had to do something or I'd have done it here at work in the middle of the boys locker room. (Only because that's where my office is, not for any other really odd and disturbing reason).

Frogcatcher Mon 11-Mar-13 14:52:02

<sending HUGE hugs, sympathy, tea & chocolate> to Tally Makes me want to get on a bit of a feminist ranting horse & maintain that this kind of thing wouldn't happen if men had to give birth. Doctors would take them seriously straightaway & tests would be automatic rather than something you had to beg for. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Tally have some biscuit and wine and thanks you're in a shit position, sorry.

In better news (beware of the giant brag) I got the job. My last 4 days of daytime MN-ing with the berries sad

Tallyra Mon 11-Mar-13 15:42:39

Congratulations Merkin!!

I'm OK now. Just annoyed. At least I can sneak onto MN and vent when I need to grin

Thats what we're here for Tally!

Frogcatcher Mon 11-Mar-13 16:06:45

Congrats Merkin!

I can provide more berry support during the day at work than I can in the evenings! (see previous comments about DP's suspicions re extra-marital (if we were actually married) activity due to compulsive phone use!).

Glad you feeling a bit better Tally.

happylass Mon 11-Mar-13 16:16:32

Sorry to hear you're having a tough time Tally but glad things are getting done at last! Congrats Merkin!!

Boodle9 Mon 11-Mar-13 16:30:06

Hello Elderberries.

I feel rubbish and crap and low and horrible today, so please excuse me whilst I put on my pity pants and settle onto the sofa to tear and tantrum. AF is arriving at a whopping 8 DPO, my blood test results have come back 'normal' and there's a bloody instadiffer at work. So pissed off have cried in my car all the way home. Probably not the safest thing to do given the small blizzard blowing outside.

Boodle9 Mon 11-Mar-13 16:31:06

Merkin, great news on your job - well done! smile (Can shake myself out of a funk to be happy for a fellow berry.)

happylass Mon 11-Mar-13 16:36:24

Un-MN (((hugs))) for Boodle Sorry you're feeling crap hun. What tests did you get?

Frogcatcher Mon 11-Mar-13 16:39:27

Oh Boodle chin up berry! I was in the same mood last week. DP threatened to never DTD again because he didn't want to have a baby if that was what TTC was going to do to me every month. That's when I found MN & the Elderberries where we are all as crazy as each other all understand. You can let it all out here. Sending wine & [biscuits] as there is no chocolate emoticon.

Boodle9 Mon 11-Mar-13 16:52:28

Happy - they did a full bloods apparently, but it was to look at thyroid. I'm going to get copies of the results though as last time they were 'normal' and they were way higher than the ideal levels for TTC (as specified by the NHS clinical knowledge summaries, no less).

I'm usually about to shake myself through it but for various reasons I won't go into, the instadiffed colleague has seriously got me down.

Come on, hospital, send me that letter and give me something in the distance to set my sights on. That would help a lot.

Oh, and for what it's worth? Progesterone cream = not my friend.

Boodle9 Mon 11-Mar-13 16:53:23

Thanks for the sympathy, Frog. I'll take that wine at the weekend, I think; going to get AF out of the way and then treat myself!

Bunnygirlie Mon 11-Mar-13 17:45:14

Evening all, just catching up with today's comments.

Cheers merkin and cherry yep I will partake in the sausage morris dancing!!!

Oh tallyra I don't know what to say, we're gonna take April off TTC so if you do abstain I'll be right there with you.

Congrats merkin yay new job!!!

Oh boodle that is pants sad evil AF bitch! Grrrrrr! Will join you on the pity sofa, IBS flared up today so have tummy ache, it's my own fault though, even too much of the food that doesn't agree with me today.

Boodle i'm so sorry. F*ing instadiffers and the witch at the same time is bound to induce anyone to tears. Life is crap. Hug the sofa, have some biscuits and watch some crap TV. It won't change it but it will take you mind off it. And the positive side is that in a few days you'll be looking forward to shag week again x

Itsalwaysraining Mon 11-Mar-13 18:19:40

Really sorry to hear that, Boodle. Does that mean you've had a seven day luteal phase? shock What are your plans now, love?

Merkin, fantastic news about your job! [tries to remember what a 'job' is] hmm

Tally, what a shit situation you're in. All the HG anguish you go through only for the pregnancies to end in miscarriage - I would definitely hold off TTC until those specialists have had a good study of your bloods. Chin up, love, it's great that things will soon get moving for you x

Cavort Mon 11-Mar-13 18:24:23

Hi ladies, it is I - the lurker artist formerly known as Rache1S <lifts glasses and pulls down false beard>

In answer to Frogcatcher's question, none of the graduates have managed to have one baby yet let alone twins, but none of us have got more than one bun in the oven to my knowledge.

So, with the multiple birth probability being so much higher in us old fogeys, it means the law of averages says that one of more of you lucky ladies will be getting more than you bargained for when you get your BFP's. smile

twinklestar2 Mon 11-Mar-13 18:25:59

Raining - hubs morphology was 1%, it went up to 2% with a few lifestyle changes. 4% is classed as normal so hoping him giving up booze will get the morph up to above normal.

Itsalwaysraining Mon 11-Mar-13 18:28:35

Boo, are you still waiting for a fertility clinic appointment? <shit memory> I wonder if your consultant might prescribe you Clomid. I know you ovulate naturally but it is a great drug for lengthening the luteal phase (I hate it for that very reason!) Plus, you'll get the added bonus of popping out more than one egg per cycle smile

Don't linger over the instadiffer. Life goes on beyond our TTC woes. Her pregnancy means nothing in the grand scheme of you becoming a mum. It will happen for you. I promise x

twinklestar2 Mon 11-Mar-13 18:29:37

Big hugs boodle and congrats on the job merkin.

Itsalwaysraining Mon 11-Mar-13 18:30:46

I'm hoping for the same outcome, too, Twink. Men are useless walking cesspits, in my opinion.

Itsalwaysraining Mon 11-Mar-13 18:31:36

[waves at the luscious Cavort] grin

twinklestar2 Mon 11-Mar-13 18:36:09

My husband is a kind, lovely intelligent man in general. So why he didn't think drinking 20 cans of beer a week and smoking would affect his sperm I don't know.

Frogcatcher Mon 11-Mar-13 18:41:59

Isn't is amazing that men can just change their chances like that Twink - doesn't seem to be as simple for the laydeez who have to go through hell (*Tally*) or just buckets full of misery & disappointment (Boodle & *everyone else*). I really hope DP is willing to give up booze if it comes to it.
I must be the only woman TTC who prays for twins so that I get it done & dusted in one fell swoop. Let's face it if I'm not upduffed by the end of this year I'll probably be closer to 40 than 35 when trying again so well & truly screwed. I do have some genetics on my side at least - my cousin is a non-identical twin slightly older than me & gave birth to twins in January.

Itsalwaysraining Mon 11-Mar-13 18:42:00

Twink, love it grin

Cavort Mon 11-Mar-13 18:59:20

Hi Raining, lovely to see a fresh face wink <waves back like a mad woman>

Itsalwaysraining Mon 11-Mar-13 19:16:51

I'll probably be closer to 40 than 35 when trying again so well & truly screwed. Oi!! I'M 41!! angry sad

Itsalwaysraining Mon 11-Mar-13 19:17:55

[blows non-lesbo kisses to Cavort & Janey] xx

Frogcatcher Mon 11-Mar-13 19:23:06

Oops sorry Raining didn't mean to cause any offence blush. <runs away & hides in shame>. I only meant that if my reproductive organs are struggling at 36 then my body is not going to be suddenly full of the joys of spring later on is it? I have 2 aunties who were 40 when they had kids & DP's sister too so I know it's very possible. I'm just not sure I could face the emotional trauma over again either. And I'd be unlikely to get NHS help later & second time round if I needed it. <carries on digging & hopes the elderberries don't kick her out>

I definitely couldn't go through it all a second time. I'd be quite happy with just one child thank you very much!

Boodle, so sorry, it's pants when more than one thing hits you at a time.

Tallyra how annoying that they could have done something sooner. Best to leave it just one cycle though if they might be able to do something to help the next one.

I have been a total b1tch and irrationally miserable since I Ovd. I've decided that this undeniably means I must be due a BFP this time round or I'm just a miserable cow. Definitive symptoms, you must agree <nods head vigorously expecting others to join in>.

Oo, and Merkin - Congrats!! wine

twinklestar2 Mon 11-Mar-13 19:51:44

Frog - oh has given up drinking and smoking completely as advised by our fertility clinic. We're 3 weeks in!

Boodle9 Mon 11-Mar-13 20:14:11

Thanks everyone for indulging me and my pity party. I need to kick myself hard and get over it as there are plenty of people here who have endured a rougher ride than me (I guess part of my sadness is hearing some of your stories and thinking, do I have all that still to come? I'm on cycle 20 and have never had an LP longer than 9. Even if that gets fixed, what other problems might I encounter? How utterly selfish of me. Sausage slaps are well-deserved this evening.)

Anyway Raining, yes, still waiting for FS appointment to come through; anticipating it to be mid-April sometime (that's what the secretary at the doctors' was told when she rang up to ask on my behalf). I was feeling pretty bummed about the prospect of Clomid as you mentioned up thread you thought it was no use for women who are already ovulating. However, you saying that it can help extend LP gives me hope again. I'd be quite happy to pop out two...but do not tell DH for goodness sake - he'd freak!

ILoveMyCats Mon 11-Mar-13 20:16:04

<nodding head with barking>
Hello berries,

Congrats on the job, merkin! What will you be doing?
tally, I have to agree with the other berries, that it sounds wise to have a month off if it means you'll get some answers. You can still come here for sausage shuffling. I'm sure I'll still be waiting for AF.....

Itsalwaysraining Mon 11-Mar-13 20:17:55

Frog, I'm just pulling your leg wink

Sorry you're feeling curmudgeonly, Barking. What DPO are you?

SidneyBristow Mon 11-Mar-13 21:08:05

Hi gang. Still on a crying jag over here, mostly due to my mother letting me know via email this morning that the nutty wife of one of my cousins is pregnant again. She's the one I mentioned who got preg after 1 cycle of clomid; their baby isn't even 8 mos old yet and she claims the only day she had sex last month was 1day after her period ended. How do I know this? She videos her every thought and puts it online. 2 weeks ago she was implying her marriage was in trouble. Now she's bitching about a surprise pregnancy.

Thought I'd have the day to myself to get my head right, but DH's ex needed him to have my SKs tonight. Told DH I couldn't be around them alone and what did he do a couple of hours later? Tell my SS that he could stay with me while DH did an errand. My SS is a fantastic little boy but it is extreeeeeeemely hard to be around the positive outcome of my DH's successful pregnancy with someone else, when I am taking pain meds for severe menstrual cramps.

This is shit. I feel irrationally angry/hurt/so disappointed by it all. Please tell me I'm not losing my mind and that you all can relate.

Bunnygirlie Mon 11-Mar-13 21:17:50

Good to see you cavort how are you?

Oh sid sorry to hear you are blue, I know I was the same the other week, it's horrid, hugs!

Boodle9 Mon 11-Mar-13 21:23:26

Sidney that sucks big time and even though I don't know her, I can say quite confidently that your cousin's nutty wife is a silly moo who doesn't deserve her good fortune if she uses online videos to imply that her marriage is in trouble. That must make her husband feel just great. hmm

I don't have SK experience as DH and I are both first-timers. However, I can't even look at my baby niece without feeling a whole mix of emotions (mostly bad, I'm ashamed to admit) so spending the evening with a SS whilst your body is reminding you (so aggressively and painfully) that it's not happening for you yet must just be horrific.

I understand the irrationality of it all and yes, it is irrational, but sod that; I think we have the right.

Cavort Mon 11-Mar-13 21:23:43

Hey Bunny, good thanks. 24+5 and cooking nicely, or so I'm told. I would ask how you are but I feel like I know already as I am a unashamed sausage stalker blush Can't wait for you all to join us grin

ILoveMyCats Mon 11-Mar-13 21:30:40

sid, totally understand. The nutty one sounds horrific, so it doesn't do much to help you feel happy for her.

raining I'm a whole 2 days past O so obviously all the symptoms are coming thick and fast and I'm clearly upduffed.

<squints to see if anyone but cats is nodding along in agreement. Sends out some sausagegrams to those who obviously haven't noticed that I'm about to start flinging spiky sausages at those who aren't vehemently nodding in agreement> hmm.

Sidney your cousin's wife is an idiot. Fact.

Thanks for the nodding cats. I won't throw spiky sausages at you.

ILoveMyCats Mon 11-Mar-13 21:42:48

Thank you, barking, not a fan of spikey sausages.
Got my slanket...thinking of a name change. Still love my cats, but thinking it's lame name. Didn't have any inspiration then and have none now...

Bunnygirlie Mon 11-Mar-13 21:46:34

<nods at the crazy lady threatening sausage torture> hmmmm yes I agree!

cavort we are trying to join you!!!!!! But I bet you will have already had it by the time we get there sad You were one of the first ladies I first got to know on here (with janey too) so it would be nice to catch up lol

Cavort Mon 11-Mar-13 21:56:14

Bunny it sounds like you and Mr Bunny have given it a bloody good go this month. I have high hopes! grin

Pipbin Mon 11-Mar-13 21:59:02

Evening ladies.
Congrats on the job Merkin. I have no real news to report here.
As you were.

Pipbin Mon 11-Mar-13 22:02:00

Oh, except one thing I read about SA.
There is no real 'normal'. The only results they have are from men who have had vasectomies who have known to have fathered children. This is because they have to give a sample before and after.

Bunnygirlie Mon 11-Mar-13 22:11:48

cavort it's our best effort in months, being pleased with DTD just twice just shows you how bad previous months have been. Hubby has been struggling with the stress and pressure.

So ladies do you think we should try again tomorrow CD 17 or just quit whilst we're ahead?!?

Itsalwaysraining Mon 11-Mar-13 22:22:06

Sid, I understand. You are not going nuts. I am a 'step-mother' to DP's little boy of seven, although I never see him. He lives two train journeys away and DP goes to see him every Saturday alone. This is because I do not like the weird little shit and dislike his mother even more. I am not an intolerant woman; on the contrary, I am brilliant with kids and have spent a large portion of my adult life teaching in pupil referral units and other establishments 'educating' some painfully recalcitrant little bastards. I am an affable person who gets on with anyone and I really do love children, however DP's son is stranger and more unpleasant at times than any other child I have come across. His mother (Spanish, barely speaks cogent English) fell pregnant at 45 and cannot understand why I am not yet pregnant: "Issa easy haffing baby at fotty-wan, no? I never haff sex mucho with [DP's name] and I haff baby at fotty-fife!"

I have stopped answering the phone when she rings and have mentally evicted her and her son from my life. I am too busy trying to make my own baby. I salute you for making room in your life for your husband's children. You are not superwoman; you are entitled to resent them and their mother from time to time. Just try not to view them as an obstacle to you getting your baby. There is not a finite amount of babies to go around. You'll get your baby x

Itsalwaysraining Mon 11-Mar-13 22:28:12

I apologise for the excessive use of the word 'baby' in that last paragraph.

Pip, interesting about SA and what's 'normal' <strokes chin>

Itsalwaysraining Mon 11-Mar-13 22:30:52

Sid, what I would say is it sounds as though you enjoy a pretty good relationship with your step kids. Are they fond of you? Respect you? If this is the case I woudln't let your AF hormones spoil things. Give that little lad a big squeeze. I'll bet he thinks you're ace. On the other hand, your cousin's missus is a twat.

Itsalwaysraining Mon 11-Mar-13 22:37:31

Boo, I'm really feeling bad for you. I hope when the hormones have settled you will be able to step back and look at the bigger picture: yes, you've been trying for a long time and yes, your luteal phase length is a problem. But you're young - very young - and fertility experts will be on your case very, very soon. Look forward to handing your fertility over to the professionals - it really does feel like a weight gets lifted off your shoulders. I have no doubt that when they lengthen your LP and stop the spotting you will be well on your way to mummyhood smile

Boodle9 Mon 11-Mar-13 22:44:36

Thanks, Raining. There is a tiny part of my brain that knows I'll sort myself out in a few days, once the evil AF/vomiting passes. I can't wait to get that FS appointment through, I really can't. I need something to focus on as I can feel it starting to get to me in an unhealthy way. I've been dreading this announcement at work for ages as instadiffer in Q has made no secret over the Great Big Baby Plan and it just really pissed me off as whenever she spoke of it, attention would inevitably come onto me too.

I like to think I've been quite stoical about my difficulties and LP issues in real-life (I have a few trusted friends that know about it.) but I know you lovely ladies are the ones I need to turn when I just need to shout a big fat Oh for fuck's sake! smile

Boodle9 Mon 11-Mar-13 22:45:52

(And how I managed to survive not actually becoming an active poster until just a few months ago, I will never know! You're the ones keeping me semi sane at the moment!)

Itsalwaysraining Mon 11-Mar-13 22:56:17

You know, I do feel for you thirtysomethings because you must be facing the pain of all your other thirtysomething mates getting pregnant on what must seem like a daily basis. My friends, on the other hand, are over forty and have had their gazillions of kids and are celebrating their sprog's 18th birthdays in some cases!

All I can say to you is it is just your situation that matters; your life. The world will continue to revolve and undeserving slags women will keep popping babies out. Try to look at them through rational eyes - their bus has simply turned up before yours is due. Yours is coming around the corner..

twinklestar2 Mon 11-Mar-13 23:06:53

Wise words, raining, and reassuring too.

Boodle, we have been trying the same amount of time. It fucking sucks!!

Have not caught up after another night out but am slightly squiffy from celebrating new job and had a quick scroll through and in a drunken man kind of manner wanted to say "I luff you berries"! Honestly can't think what I'd do without you simply lovely ladies!! Night <snores>

On a side note mother (non instadiffer grad of whom we are v proud) has a thread re baby names and not getting a good response. Can all awake berries come and help please

Tallyra Tue 12-Mar-13 00:11:30

just finished dinner with family and about to go to bed but I just wanted to say a huge thank you for your comforting and lovely words. I will do my best to not TTC for another cycle (hell, what's 1 more?) and try not to send you mad with my anguished outrages as more of my friends reproduce.
night all

happylass Tue 12-Mar-13 07:33:11

8dpo today and my temp has dropped below the cover line. LP is always 14 days. How annoying! angry. Not sure if temps are all over the place his month because I've been ill or if I haven't actually OVd? Wtf is going on! Rant over

Will have a look at baby names thread Merkin. Hope Mother is ok?

cherrycoconut Tue 12-Mar-13 08:09:33

<Sends healing pavlova pudding thoughts to Tally, Sid and Boodle for your bad days yesterday and does some out there sausage Morris celebration for Merkin's job news>

No Morris dancing for me this morning though- temps back to their normal 97.2 range so no spike yet. I POAS yesterday for the FIRST TIME ever, inspired by you lovely ladies. It was as dark as the control line but as I have no other impending OV symptoms like CM now I'm panicking that my LH could be elevated for another reason? Gonna do another today and try and keep calm!

Then abandoned my computer for the whole of yest evening (DH hates it, he's like yours Frog) and, conscious we need to be making an effort if the lone stick is to be believed, put a whole lot of effort into warming up DH for a good bit of DTD last night. Well after all that 'too tired' was the cry and I got blown off. grin( so, feeling a little rejected still this morning as was hoping we were overcoming our mojo issues.

Sorry, this is a long one aaand, went for some bloods yesterday so have those to wait on. Cats I spoke to my acu and she is going to research the vitex and get some prof opinions on whether it would be right for my symptoms and dosages so will let you know. I have gone ahead with the consuming of dandelion tea and the assuming of inverted yoga poses though as recommended by one website!

cherry I rarely get CM as a sign. I'd probably believe the stick and expect it to be positive perhaps one more day, with your temp drop coming in the next 12 to 48 hours.. Incidentally my pattern is normally small dip, small rise, then O dip... FX

Bunnygirlie Tue 12-Mar-13 08:23:02

cherry oh dear not another with mojo issues, pants innit! Don't get much CM signs here either!

Didn't get a third time lucky DTD this morn, too tired and feel like crap sad, at least we managed something at the weekend though as its made me feel slightly more positive about the whole thing. Still planning to take April off and then start May in full force!

Frogcatcher Tue 12-Mar-13 10:38:05

Just catching up after a v early night with DP. Nothing exciting - he's just got man flu so the EOD plan failed in the first week of cycle.

Glad I'm forgiven Raining.

Sid hope you're feeling better today. Weirdly I don't actually equate my SS with any kind of baby feelings as he is too old to be cute & sometimes makes me wonder why on earth I want children at all when he is being particularly horrific. I do resent it when we cannot have weekend lie-ins DTD cos he is with us but I like the fact that I get a sneak preview of what kind of father DP is. I do feel irrationally angry about DP's 18 year old niece getting accidentally pg though (20 wks now & clueless). His other niece even tactlessly suggested that me & DP should have a baby so we could do baby stuff together. I pointed out that wouldn't be happening as I am twice her age so we were unlikely to be hanging out even if I did (& glossed over fact that i can't seem to get upduffed). Families can be so clueless sometimes so the cousin thing is just horrible for you.

Am getting v excited about my first POAS tmrw to see if it's the big O yet (& it is POAS I think rather than PIMP as I've got some Boots ones to use before the cheapies). I am actually noticing CM changes too which I've just been oblivious to the meaning of before. Berry ways rule!!!

Itsalwaysraining Tue 12-Mar-13 11:26:01

Morning, young-ladies-due-to-be-upduffed-in-the-not-too-distant-future. Cherry, my DP has issues in the erectile department caused by acute stress around ovulation. Last night he was too tired for his birthday blowjob. I told him this was worrying to me as ovulation is at weekend and does this mean we are going to struggle? He assured me he is simply knackered (he is, he looks awful) and that I have nothing to worry about re the weekend. I am going to have to calm down, methinks. It's hard, though, when they have a track record of struggling at the essential times.

In other news, I have badgered my fertility clinic to let me have an AMH test (the most reliable way of ascertaining the state of the ovarian reserve; especially helpful for the over-forties like me) and they have agreed. I am really pleased as this test is very expensive if arranged by the IVF clinic further down the line (I want every test I can think of on the NHS before I go private). So..in a few weeks I will have a clear idea of the amount of eggs I have left and what their quality is likely to be smile or sad

Itsalwaysraining Tue 12-Mar-13 11:28:53

Happy, a dip below coverline at 8DPO is thrilling news for some women: it is often interpreted as an implantation dip. Even if it isn't implantation it is absolutely nothing to fret about - it means nothing smile

Itsalwaysraining Tue 12-Mar-13 11:32:01

<chucks bucket of water over Merkin's alcohol-fugged head and offers sausage butty>

SidneyBristow Tue 12-Mar-13 12:13:50

Thanks for all your support, ladies. Today I feel slightly better. What gets to me is that this TTC thing is totally inescapable for me, whereas DH can (and does) set it aside quite easily. His mantra is "it will happen," so he gets quite frustrated with me when it all seems so bleak sometimes. It doesn't help that he takes personal offense when I point out that at the end of the day, he already has two children, whereas I have none, so I can't really point to personal experience to help me through the tough days bc I can't remind myself that it'll happen - I have no track record.

I love my DH and bc of that, I love my SKs, but the constant presence of his ex, either by her or through my SKs, is very, very hard to swallow sometimes. Before my ultrasound appointment was assigned, I was told it'd likely be set for a week this month that DH is to be away, leaving me in charge of the SKs. I said his ex would have to have them if the appt was assigned during school dropoff/pickup. His response was that I'd just have to reschedule it. hmm He genuinely couldn't see how this appt outranked my commitment to help with his children. Luckily it was assigned for a Saturday so the SKs wont be involved at all, but that discussion didn't do much to make me feel like he truly understands just how important this is, to me (ought to be "to us," but as he doesn't think there's anything wrong, he thinks all these tests aren't that big a deal)

So it's stuff like that that makes me have mixed emotions about being a stepmother. The guilt that comes with those mixed emotions doesn't help either.

Itsalwaysraining Tue 12-Mar-13 12:22:57

Sid, that's a toughie. The example you've given us points to your fella taking you for granted; you have it tough being a step-mum to his kids when you are desperate for one of your own. I can only suggest that you somehow get it through to him how difficult you are finding it sometimes being a mother to his children when he seems indifferent to the urgency you feel around ttc. Talk to him and make sure he hears you. Keep talking to us, too, 'cos we understand.

For your part, though, you will have to find a way of dealing with your frustrations if you are going to stay sane. You have fallen in love with this man and you have taken on his baggage (sorry to put it like that, you know what I mean) so you need to find a way of coping with resentment whilst yearning for your baby. What are your outlets away from him and them? Do you have mates without kids?

Itsalwaysraining Tue 12-Mar-13 12:24:11

Sid, how often do you have his kids at your house and what ages are they?

SidneyBristow Tue 12-Mar-13 12:29:30

Raining your SS's mother sounds like a nut. Is she really that clueless, or was it some sort of passive-aggressive dig? Thank goodness you were able to minimize her presence in your life.

Congrats on the job Merkin! Maybe the new gig will = less stress in your life which will then = easier conception? Fx!

Frog what an immature thing to say, that you ought to get preg so your LO would have a built-in playmate. Gag me. My cousin's wife is a complete loon and I could easily see her saying something like that. My brain knows her being pg doesn't affect my odds at all, but it just seems so unfair; we're doing all the right things to no result, she has sex once immediately after her period and blammo. What I wouldn't give for the joy of an unexpected pregnancy, one without TTC shag dates, or pee sticks, or the dread of wondering whether the next few days would bring AF or a BFP. That's aside from the joy of having two actual babies; I can barely imagine one, this numpty is going to have two. Grr. Aaaaand the pity party continues.

Bunny yay on your DH feeling frisky again. Very positive sign. Remind me again, why you're taking April off? GP's advice, or just for a break? I wish I could afford a month or two (or five) off. This is all much more draining than I ever thought possible, and it's only on cycle 9. I'm in awe of you ladies who are further along and can still keep a positive outlook. Afraid I'm not nearly as strong as I ought to be, and it shows sad

Itsalwaysraining Tue 12-Mar-13 12:52:43

Correct me if I'm wrong, Buns, but you're taking April off so you don't have a Christmas baby, right? <twirls finger round and round whilst pointing it at temple whilst going hmm>

Itsalwaysraining Tue 12-Mar-13 12:55:29

Sid, cycle 9 has been proved to be the bastard month, for all kinds of reasons. Cycles 7-9 were hellish for me; it just felt too long to be trying to get pregnant. The good news is the one-year mark is liberating in a really weird way. Honest. You just lose that mind-numbing heartache when AF arrives. Still tough though.

SidneyBristow Tue 12-Mar-13 12:56:00

They're 9 and 7, with us half the time, in and out like our house is a train station. Nothing I can do about the schedule unfortunately. The main prob is that DH is much more prone to do as his ex demands, in an effort to minimize agita from her, than he is to put my needs/demands first. He knows she takes things nuclear, whereas I'll stew about something for a few days and then drop it. He truly thinks it's just a matter of time before I'm pg, and so rescheduling an appt, to him, would be the logical thing to do. To me, I'm terrified that there's something badly wrong, and the sooner we find out, the sooner I can stop having mini breakdowns every month.

I know he wants babies with me, but the laidback "it'll all work out" attitude is sometimes so very irksome. I'm sure every person with a fatal illness was at some point told "you'll be OK"; to be relentlessly optimistic about it all just seems kind of immature, to me, and in turn makes me more negative than I'd otherwise be. At the end of the day, he's seen that things actually did "work out," bc his first wife went through the same delays. For me, I've never even had a pregnancy scare, so it's harder to trust that it will happen, since I have no history to fall back on. I don't resent my SKs per se; I resent the awkwardness of their mom and the stress that brings me from all sides, but I will admit that lately I've skipped buying them things I might've done a year ago, bc now I'm thinking my money might wind up having to go towards IVF, since their existence blocks me from having it on the NHS. Not their fault, but a fact I have to live with nonetheless.

It's tough. But yes I do have some good personal support, both here and back home, and usually DH is extremely supportive - but this past week he's dropped the ball big time. There's no way in hell I would've rescheduled that appt just to avoid inconveniencing my SKs mum. I can't actually grasp that he would've wanted me to; it just seems too bizarre.

Frogcatcher Tue 12-Mar-13 12:57:35

Sid my DP has exactly the same attitude & thinks I am worrying over nothing. I know he wants another (he only has 1 DS) but I question his commitment sometimes when he tells me to not to worry about it - cue argument. We are only supposed to have SS half the week (tho ex just got a new bf so we seem to be having him more at the moment angry) & I only ever look after him as an absolute last resort so I am lucky in that respect.
SS is also v keen to have a little brother or sister & keeps asking for one sad.

I just ignore all comments from DP's family generally. His mum, sisters & nieces have all sprogged with ease it would seem from ages of 18 to 40 but that is pretty much all they have done with their lives <wonders whether that is being particularly miaow> so ironically I know that they envy me my life too.

Am very excited by the thought of an implantation dip Happy - can we symptom spot yet?!!

Raining great news on the scan front. Certainty on something has to be good. FX that you & Cherry get frisky OHs back soon.

Itsalwaysraining Tue 12-Mar-13 13:05:06

I think it's really odd that a mother willingly gives up her kids for half a week.

Sid, you need to find an outlet for your frustrations; half a week is a fucking huge portion of time you're having to sacrifice. You are , however, being irrational about never having your own or something serious being wrong with you. Nine months feels serious, but it resolutely is not. Keep making DH understand your fears.

Frog, it isn't a scan. The AMH test is blood work and takes four weeks to reveal the results as it has to go to Glasgow hmm

Frogcatcher Tue 12-Mar-13 13:06:04

Just cross-posted with you Sid. Shit - had no idea that IVF not available on NHS if one of you already has a child. I'd assumed that because it was my first time round we'd be eligible. That seems so unfair <gives up idea of going shopping at lunch for nice things & sets up IVF payment plan instead> sad