It is a fact universally acknowledged that a woman in her thirties in possession of a ticking biological clock MUST be in want of a baybee.

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ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 04-Mar-13 19:52:16

The former thread proved full of sadness and most vexatious disappointments, wherefore we know not sad. Therefore the BESH will be donning their empire dresses and enlisting the assistance of Captain Wentworth and his admirable breeches and Mr Darcy smouldering damply in his transparent white shirt both of whom with their pleasing countenances and sound judgements and enormous fortunes, in short both of whom are everything a young man ought to be in the expectation that happier times may be ahead for the BESH.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 04-Mar-13 19:57:15

I don't have a fecking clue who Captail Wentworth is but I know who Mr Darcy is!

<puts hair into ringlets>

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 04-Mar-13 20:01:32

Really Buggerlugs I scarcely think such language is decorous.

Captain Wentworth is the breeches-clad naval hero in Persuasion, spurned by Anne Elliot in her youth and lately her husband.

Northey Mon 04-Mar-13 20:05:59

I pray you dears, for I am all at a loss, do tell me, is enormous fortune a euphemism? <fumbles for smelling salts>

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 04-Mar-13 20:06:20

My dearest aries, many thanks come thee way for this most esteemed fred theme. I think we need to add Mr Knightley (after all he's more our age) and no period dramas to this fred.

<shakes head at bugs lack of Austen knowledge, gives her a penguin chick to cuddle instead>

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 04-Mar-13 20:06:51

grin norf

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 04-Mar-13 20:07:52

<sits in corner and cuddles penguin>

<reads 50 shades of Grey in secret>

EuroShaggleton Mon 04-Mar-13 20:10:47

I bet Mr Darcy would knock us up, forthwith.

My heartfelt felicitations on your most fortunate news, Bugs.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Mon 04-Mar-13 20:12:27

I like to think of myself as a Lizzy Bennett, but I fear I may be more of a Mary.

<secretly yearns to be a Lydia and elope with an indecently wicked Officer> grin

I have no idea what the BESH is, but if Wentworth and Darcy are here and we're talking truths, then this is clearly the thread for me.

FriendofDorothy Mon 04-Mar-13 20:14:44

I am practising my simpering already.

Empire line dresses make me look even shorter and dumpier than I actually am!

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 04-Mar-13 20:18:20

Just clarifying I am NOT Emma wink but I have a weakness for older men (on paper).

Tell us who you are truth and find a BESHtionaire (a few threads ago)

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Mon 04-Mar-13 20:20:57

<sniffs air>

<in ladylike hadji on, obv>

Fresh blood? Looking forward to seeing your BESHtionnaire Truth

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 04-Mar-13 20:23:23

For the record I've seen Pride and Prejudice once, not read the book and any other Austin book. Sorry.

Northey Mon 04-Mar-13 20:27:06

Most glorious and excellent buggerlugs, you pierce my very soul with your words. It will not do. Get thee hence and watch some of the very excellent adaptations at once.

truth, iz you a barren? Just checking...

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 04-Mar-13 20:27:54

<faints at AustIn faux pas>

In other news: puff pastry disaster sad

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 04-Mar-13 20:28:59

Exactly, sense and sensibility?

Or if you prefer no Austen shock horror you can always settle for Norf and Souf with the most excellent delectable RA smile

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 04-Mar-13 20:29:21

Maybe I'll duck out for this fred and run around with other Harry Potter / Twilight fans?

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 04-Mar-13 20:29:45

What exactly is a puff pastry disaster? Did it not puff? That is not a disaster, it nearly never does for me.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 04-Mar-13 20:30:12

Truth, far be it from me to be discourteous and impertinent, but this is a thread for ladies in their fourth decade who by an unfortunate and cruel twist of fate find themselves in the unhappy situation of finding the conception of offspring difficult.

If the description matches your good self, happily we will welcome you to the fold.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 04-Mar-13 20:30:48


<graps hold tightly, binds in 50 shades manner bugs to a tv set playing a continuous loop of wonderful adaptations, looks stern>

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 04-Mar-13 20:31:37

Bugs get the fuck back here grin. No ducking allowed - I was just being a twat.

<abandons Austen for moment>

No the puff pastry was Packet, and I forgot to remove the plastic sad

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 04-Mar-13 20:32:26

"You pierce my soul"

I detect another Captain Wentworth fan.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 04-Mar-13 20:33:39

Btw euro my overly vivid imagination is getting a nice loop of Mr Darcy knocking us all up. Well to be honest, just me, but a few times, for insurance purposes. I am still ovulating, clearly...

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 04-Mar-13 20:35:08

Okay, that is a disaster aries. But it made me smile.
Btw who is Frank, the slightly thick son of someone or other in an Austen, I think...

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 04-Mar-13 20:40:37

You forgot how to remove the plastic??

Rie are you as blonde as me? <looks suspiciously>

Nah I'm not really going, I'll simply boycott the fred feem cos I don't gettit innit.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 04-Mar-13 20:46:18

I didn't forget HOW! I just forgot to remove it. They used to put in greaseproof paper, the wankers. You used to cook it with the paper on the baking sheet.

Most vexing.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Mon 04-Mar-13 21:52:45

One marks one's spot with earnest at the commencement of a thread.

NorthangerAbbey, commiserations on the droidal invasion and discomfort. Have some <gin>, <ibuprofen>...Er, and a <baby penguin>

I had forgot myself about the wonderful quote What care I for colds when there is such a man? til the previous fredus. Willoughby! smile <dribbles delicately>

FriendofDorothy Mon 04-Mar-13 21:58:44

I went to a Jane Austen house in Bath. It was truly shit.

evilgiraffe Mon 04-Mar-13 22:09:16

Oh gracious, I appear to be late. Sincerest of apologies, dear BESH, I was unavoidably delayed by the most diverting exploits of Mr Clarkson &c, engaging in travels upon the African continent.

I confess myself quite startled at the mishap with pastry - perhaps it would be worth looking in to engaging a cook? My own husband chef is prone to an excess of profanity if accompanied while working Below Stairs - he prefers solitude whilst cooking and so I am blessedly infrequently called upon to test my own skills.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 04-Mar-13 22:44:15

What care I for puff pastry when there is such a man?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 04-Mar-13 22:46:39

I went to the same museum, Dor. We roared with laughter at the Colin Firth Mr Darcy portraits. The old ladies looked terribly affronted.

Why, good e'en, ladies. How very pleasant to discover you all together with your delicate embroideries and most fetching millinery work. The evening air is somewhat chilled, else I would ask you to take a turn about the garden with me.
I have of late been somewhat absent, on account of some pressing engagements in town, but now I am returned to the bosom of BESHington Manor, a place I love so very dearly.
My news, alas, is not of great note. I have partaken of rather too much spirituous liquors in previous days, and may need to purge myself vigorously on the morrow. Frivolity and much merriment ensued, but I am now somewhat wearied. Oh, and my dearest Mr B.E. has gone away on business for several days, leaving me quite bereft and entirely without cock.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 04-Mar-13 23:35:12

I was smiling throughout your witty and well crafted post, Moll, until I got to the last two words whereupon I roared in a most unladylike fashion.

Tush, miss Rie, I mean of course his most excellent cassoulet de coque. Whatever could be so amusing about chicken stew?
<employs fan vigorously>

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Tue 05-Mar-13 03:08:13

Besh I can't sleep. I keep thinking job interview as for one answer I gave I over exaggerated slightly (only slightly) and am worried they'll find out ( although there is little chance)

To help me sleep I've just scoffed some Seabrook cheese & onion crisps despite needing to lose 7lb and being on a fast day today (Tuesday). Bugger .

Northey Tue 05-Mar-13 04:38:19

I think it's par for the course in job interviews, bugs, but donkey not to worry. For a start, there is no verbatim record of the interview stage, so they can't prove you ever exaggerated to the extent that you did. Did you also put the same exaggeration in your form?

I also can't sleep for worrying about a job application of my own, which is due in on Fri and which I can't see I am ever going to get finished.

I also spoke to the clinic yesterday, and am worrying about that too. I have got a cycle review appointment this week (on a day I now realise I will have to change...) but over the phone they said things about having to wait three cycles, which is such a long time, and is already making me stressed in anticipation. The enforced 3 month ttc abstinence after methotrexate really upset me and left me feeling very hopeless and aimless and low. I want to avoid that happening again. Stress stress stress. Why can't I sleeeeeep?

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Tue 05-Mar-13 09:24:14

Donkey? Is that my new petname ?!

My form was perfectly accurate. This was in response to a question that totally and I had to think on my feet

Currently sat in the ACU waiting room. My appointment was at 9 and I've still not been seen!

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Tue 05-Mar-13 09:26:21

norf wait and see what the doctor says not just the phone answerer .

You have a lot on your mind atm. Could you try Kalms ?

JethroTull Tue 05-Mar-13 09:30:15

Simply marvellous Fred Rie <continues to lurk>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Tue 05-Mar-13 09:30:26

Agree with Donkey Bugs, wait till you've spoken to the ackshuall Dr Norf.

I'm currently sat at the clinic waiting for my scan, they called late yesterday to move my appt from 8am to 9.45, so that's messed around with my course a bit! Ho hum!

<starts sewing new ribbon onto bonnet>

Northey Tue 05-Mar-13 09:31:26

It was a sleepy typo. But it can be your new nickname if you like smile

I honesty don't think you need to worry. If I were you, I would work out short statement which moves what you said a bit closer to the truth, so if ever challenged, you won't flap and blush, you will just say calmly "actually, what I said in the interview was x, and what i intended that to cover was y". If you are confident abou it, they won't remember for certain what you did say, and you will be fine.

Northey Tue 05-Mar-13 09:43:23

<takes a turn about the room>

EuroShaggleton Tue 05-Mar-13 10:12:21

I'm laughing out loud at the cock comment and bugs' new nickname. You ladies are brilliant.

Donkey bugs it wlill eb fine. As norf suggests, think up a way to explain it if ever asked so you don't stammer and flounder and then you are covered.

<Joins norf in order to disply her figure to best advantage> Actually, what would display my figure to best advantage at the moment is a burqua.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 05-Mar-13 11:06:40

<joins in the turn about the room also>

So refreshing!

MavisCruet176 Tue 05-Mar-13 12:05:36

I shall be going for a drunken delightful turn about the bar room this evening. One is currently deciding which bonnet to wear.

MavisCruet176 Tue 05-Mar-13 12:06:43

Moll - your post made me giggle in the most ladylike manner

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 05-Mar-13 12:45:12

Gah. I knew there was a reason I disliked the pill. Poor MrRie - his dearly beloved is a spotty, moody harridan with rock hard, tender appendages for boobs. Permanent PMT.

My dearest BESH'es. My sincerest apologies for dawdling on the way, and for the misfortunes that you have suffered of late. I hope you gain comfort from from knowing you have my greatest sympathies. I write with good news from Merkin Abbey; whilst alighting my mounting block, a rather dashing esteemed gentleman was passing and doffed his hat in the most agreeable manner. I am ashamed to say, against my better judgement, we laid together in the stables and copulated quite wantonly. Afterwards I was rendered most speechless with hope that this would result in me being with child, I am vexed that my efforts thus far have not made it so, but shall remain positive that i shall shortly begin to feel faint and so the arrival of a child is imminent.
In the meantime I am concentrating on my latest needlework. I do hope you shall make it to the annual Merkin Ball on the morrow, for dancing and the ardent attentions of handsome gentlemen are sure to raise the spirits. Yours, Lady Merkin-Cummings

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Tue 05-Mar-13 17:42:49

Evening Hags. After arriving at the hossie for a 9am appt, I was finally seen at 10am!

The upshot is this: Take aspirin daily even when not diffed, double the clomid dose as they're still not happy I ovulate on day 20 and when I get a BFP I have to begin injections of something I can't remember the name of.

If i have another MC we'll be referred for IVF & Embryo testing on the NHS for which there is only a 6 month waiting list.

Re the job - it seemed a lot worse than it actually is at 4am. Things often do <looks at norf >

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Tue 05-Mar-13 17:45:47

Hullo (isn't that what they used to say?!) my dearest BESH. My sincerest apologies for not informing you of the results of my visit to the good doctor this morning.

<resumes normal self>

Follies have gone into overdrive again! I have 2 of 12mm and 1 of 11mm, plus 3 of 10mm on my right. Lefty is not quite so active, I have 1 of 11mm and 2 just under 10mm. Apparently my endometrium is "beautiful" and "women would pay good money" for similar according to the nurse grin

So the upshot is that I've had to cut my dosage and am going back on Thursday morning to be checked again. They will keep me going with 3 over 13mm but anymore than that and they will stop the cycle. My right ovary is definitely dominant, both of my previous OI cycles resulted in right side ovulation.

In other news, the nurse said I can decide if I want to continue with another 3 OI cycles. I was under the impression that I had to go straight to IVF, but she said they are not in any hurry for that due to my age and the fact that we don't have any serious underlying issues. There is a 3-month waiting list for IVF at the moment anyway, so I figure we may as well carry on. She also said that if we did go down the IVF route I should produce plenty of eggs due to my response to the lower dose drugs in the OI treatment.

<turns to the side so everyone can admire her endometrium>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Tue 05-Mar-13 17:47:31

X-posts with you there Bugs, sounds like a plan. How do you feel about it all?

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Tue 05-Mar-13 17:47:38

Can I ask - does anyone know what I can do / stop doing to improve the quality of my eggs? The Dr thinks my mc may be due to poor quality embryo's.

How do i improve this?

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Tue 05-Mar-13 17:49:18

Nice lining Frank - I feel a bit 'weird' really. I'm not sure if they're throwing too much science at me and i've simply been unlucky. The Dr knows best I supose.

EuroShaggleton Tue 05-Mar-13 17:56:11

Bugs, other than the usual lifestyle stuff (no drinking & smoking, etc), I'm not sure there is much you can do. If you read around there are some supplements that are supposed to help, but nothing seems to be definitive. They are worth a go though, I guess.

Remember spaff plays a huge role in embryo quality too. Our clinic told us that it is the swimmers that carry the embryo forward after day 3 and there are loads of studies about sperm DNA fragmentation and its role in miscarriage. After Thursday, if this goes the way I expect, I will be talking to KFZK about the frag test. Anecdotally, a friend of mine had an mc with her ex - they tried for ages, one pregnancy, ended in mc. He had a problem with alcohol and was far from clean living, but the drs focussed on her
as she had PCOS. With a new partner she got pg first month of trying with her first and second with her second (chem preg first month that time), so that does suggest that it was not an egg problem with her first husband. I'm not suggesting Mr Bugs is in the drinking league of her ex, but that a lot of people focus on the woman when an embryo is half her DNA and half his.

Verily this is a very un-Austen like post. I shall pause for a moment to admire Miss Frankel's wonderous endometrium and good egg growing skills.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Tue 05-Mar-13 17:57:28

Interesting euro, interesting.

Northey Tue 05-Mar-13 17:58:50

On the ivf fred we iz all about the high protein for good quality eggs, bugs.

missfrankel, my feelings will not be repressed. You must allow me to say how ardently I admire your endometrium.

EuroShaggleton Tue 05-Mar-13 18:01:19

Heh, love it norf.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Tue 05-Mar-13 18:04:55

Verily my ladies, you have been much occupied with dashing young doctors, needlework and shed-copulations shock. This evening I have been very diverted in the perusal of your epistles. Sadly my own contribution to this flowing conversation will have to be short as I shall be taking a turn around the park in a pack of wanton women wearing unflattering garments. However I must add my delight at the handsomest endometrium that ever was seen, well done lady Frankel. I was most perturbed to notice the waste of candle sticks that donkey and the northerly lady have produced by unnecessary worrying, I sincerely hope the mood and hysteria will improve.

YAY for the follies frank. Sorry bugs I know nothing about egg quality! Lady Merkin you make me laugh!!

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Tue 05-Mar-13 18:05:44

grin norf

"and how bloody annoying your family is"<crude paraphrasing>

Northey Tue 05-Mar-13 18:28:53

Don't laugh. I just poafed. On day 3 of a very heavy droid. Negative, obviously. Why?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Tue 05-Mar-13 20:44:08

I won't laugh Norf, I went to today's appointment half-hoping they'd do the scan and say "whoopsadaisy there's something in here!" <deluded>

Northey Tue 05-Mar-13 21:47:51

I think that every scan I go to, frank .

Have just had a grim evening out. I heartily wish I'd never gone. Every second sentence <exageration> seemed to be about people having babies or people trying to have babies or people miscarrying babies. Just fuck off, all of you.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 05-Mar-13 22:27:52

Bah to the lot of them.

I wonder how one would go about starting to get on with the rest of one's life? Giving up hoping. And being ok with that. I think I'd have to use some kind of contraception, so you get off the endless monthly merry-go-round. Just thinking about it.

Northey Tue 05-Mar-13 22:32:10

Like some kind of eternal Mary Bennett.

How are you this evening, rie?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 05-Mar-13 22:41:49

I was feeling dreadfully glum, but then you said "eternal Mary Bennett" and I laughed.

Honestly, some women go on the pill to reduce boob pain??? shock It's making me grumpy in the extreme.

Northey Tue 05-Mar-13 22:49:52

I am also dreadfully glum. And sad and lonely. And nothing is cheering me up.

Just the thought of starting all over again. Again!

Northey Tue 05-Mar-13 22:50:28

How long till you can stop the pill?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 05-Mar-13 22:53:37

24th March. Then a few days off while apparently I should have a droid. Then stabbing.

I'm trying not to sound moany. Ok, well I'm not trying that hard. Sorry.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 05-Mar-13 22:55:47

Sorry, didn't see your post there Norf. Sigh. If only we were RL friends, close by and stuff. We could drink wine, eat nachos and watch back to back episodes of p&p followed by s&s followed by Four Weddings.

Northey Tue 05-Mar-13 23:00:28

I know. We could take it in turns with the cat.

I am also moany tonight, so don't worry about it.

EuroShaggleton Tue 05-Mar-13 23:01:03

Rie I was offered the Pill when I went to see a consultant about extreme PMT, including mega boob pain, a few years ago. I declined, took evening primrose and B vits and it improved massively.

Norf I'm with you re: starting again. <Sigh>

I've just had a surprisingly lovely evening out. It was a work networky thing, and I was somewhat lacking in enthusiasm but made myself go rather than spend another evening at home googling shyte about fertility and miscarriages. It was actually great. We were being taught to make sushi. Then got to eat our creations. It was very absorbing. When I left I realised I hadn't thought about my womble once in at least a couple of hours. Which was nice.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 05-Mar-13 23:05:09

Glad you had a lovely evening Euro.

I trust you wore you most becoming bonnet?

Northey Tue 05-Mar-13 23:05:39

I'm glad you had a nice time, euro. Try not to think of your womble at all. I'm sure we will both feel better in the morning.

EuroShaggleton Tue 05-Mar-13 23:12:08

Rie I'm hat person, so rest assured, a bonnet is worn on a daily basis mainly to stop my hair going frizzy, which it does at the merest hint of any precipitation.

MavisCruet176 Wed 06-Mar-13 13:29:22

Glad you had a good evening euro

Where is everyone today?

My turn around the bar room turned out to be most unladylike <think ski boots and bras dancing on bar> blush

Mavis !! Were you, perchance, in attendance at the Hellfire Club with M'Lord Byron and those other naughty naughty boys? They would impregnate a wench soon as clap eyes on her..

<scampers off to the Hellfire Club>

Northey I am most impressed by your excellent endometrium. Truly you will be the envy of the whole town.

(If I'm not careful I'm going to end up talking like this down the supermarket: "Pray tell, my good man, have any of your finest Role de Toilette? My derrier has been most sorely chafed by this inferior stuff..")

EuroShaggleton Wed 06-Mar-13 13:50:44

I think everyone must be getting ready for the dance in the village rooms, Mavis. <puts hair in pin curls>

I have got absolutely nothing constructive done today. Well not unless you consider gazing at about 227 pictures of 7 week scans constructive... <rolls eyes at self>

By about 10am tomorrow, the interminable wait will be over. The clinic called me earlier to try to push back my scan. I couldn't face waiting any longer, so I have persuaded them to move it to first thing in the morning instead. The only downside to that is that I won't be able to go home to an empty house to bawl my eyes out as my cleaner will be there. But I'll figure something out.

MavisCruet176 Wed 06-Mar-13 13:56:51

oh euro, the waiting is so tough isn't it... with my last mmc I must have spent a good 2 weeks or so googling pictures of what the scans should look like

HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 06-Mar-13 16:05:22

<embraces euro to bosom>

Northey Wed 06-Mar-13 19:01:09

<yearns to be in the Assembly Rooms, rather than fecking working>

euro, I can't tell you how much I feel for you.

Euro i have nothing to say other than (((((( hugs)))))) wish I could do/say something that would help

EuroShaggleton Wed 06-Mar-13 21:42:41

Quiet here, innit?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 06-Mar-13 21:56:22

Everyone must be busy with their after dinner embroidery Euro.

Probably a stupid question, but how are you feeling this evening?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 06-Mar-13 21:58:40

I have been singing with other Ladies and Gentlemen this evening.

Northey Wed 06-Mar-13 22:00:56

May I prevail upon you to delight our gathering with a display of your ravishing talent, missmermaid?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 06-Mar-13 22:12:39

Cetainly MissNorth

<breaks into the alto part of Songs of the Appalachians>

Northey Wed 06-Mar-13 22:22:36

Oh, umm, i say, how very modern! Perhaps frank will perform for us on the virginal.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 06-Mar-13 22:25:05

I too can play the pianoforte and I also dabble with watercolours. However I am certainly not what Mr Darcy would call truly accomplished. I lack that certain air.

Is Frank accomplished? Are any if you other young ladies?

Northey Wed 06-Mar-13 22:31:23

I must own I spent some years being attended by masters of the accomplished arts, which inexplicably failed to win me a husband, dancing, as I do, like a three legged elephant.

evilgiraffe Wed 06-Mar-13 22:43:09

Oh, accomplishments! I fear I was never very dedicated as a girl, though I could probably make shift to carry a tune on the piano or flute. I confess I much preferred to gallivant about the country on horseback, and my reckless lack of propriety led to my doing so both astride and unsupervised shock

Fortunately, my dear husband overlooked such things, captivated as he was by my meagre skills at the chemical sciences hmm (note: I was dreadful at A level Chemistry and owe my reasonable grade to HOTB's tireless aid)

EuroShaggleton Wed 06-Mar-13 22:47:10

<sews embroidery to own frock>

miss frank I am exhausted. I appear to have read the entire internet. Could someone hit me round the head with Mr Darcy's damp shirt please?

Night all. <Ambulates to bed chamber, holding a candle>

<belabours Euro with aforementioned shirt>

<sniggers in wenchly fashion at Draf astride and unsupervised>

With regard to accomplishments, in my youth I did receive many years training as a harpist. Despite the effort others put into this endeavour on my behalf, I remained resolutely unaccomplished. I did look pretty when i had it betwixt my legs though.

Bessie123 Wed 06-Mar-13 23:54:53

Hello BESHes. Just popping in to say hi to Aries (HI) and to snoop on you. I am not ttc just now after a fairly recent mc at 12 weeks but may be joining you later in the year. aries I'm so sorry it's not happened for you yet, I know it's been a while now and it must be hard.

Captain <snort> I have visions of being behind you in the supermarket checkout when both of us start talking like loons

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 07-Mar-13 06:15:03

Good morrow BESH, a quick post to say hope things go ok today Euro <squeeze>.

I'm in for my scan at 8am, rather early for a gentkeman's daughter <yawns>

Northey Thu 07-Mar-13 07:00:34

Good luck today, euro. What time is it? I know you moved it earlier in the day, so possibly you are even there now. Is KFZK with you?

Northey Thu 07-Mar-13 07:01:51

And frankel, I pray your visit to yon esteemed physician brings good news. Are you being chaperoned?

JethroTull Thu 07-Mar-13 07:09:35

Thinking about you this morning Euro

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 07-Mar-13 07:59:02

All good young ladies should be chaperoned. Sadly I am neither good nor young and some may say no lady wink.

HWHNN is on standby to return home this very evening to perform his husbandly duties.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Thu 07-Mar-13 08:24:38

Sending lots of luff and hand squeezing to euro this morning.

Do pop by again Bessie.

EuroShaggleton Thu 07-Mar-13 08:58:37

Yes, I am being chaperoned. There was no way I was doing this one alone. The scan should have been at 9, but due to a massive train cock up (i.e. there are none - how feme appropriate) I am now rescheduled for 11, because when I called they said they couldn't fit me in if I arrived late (irritating as they have kept me waiting for every single appointment). So I am now back at home a very unladylike sweaty nervy mess, having spent half an hour running betwixt train station, cab office and bus stop (was on a bus when I called the clinic-had to get off and walk home). Not the best start to the day.

Ooo, a harpist in our midst. One girl at school played the harp. I was always fascinated.

evilgiraffe Thu 07-Mar-13 08:59:16

Hugs, euro. I hope you find a nice little space sans cleaner to escape to.t

<plays a soothing melody on the harp for Euro>
<recites soothing poetry for Euro>
<invites wet-shirted mr darcy to do a soothing sexy dance for euro>

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Thu 07-Mar-13 09:43:51

Good morrow young ladies.

Euro the force of BESH is with you, dearest x

Hello Bessie, goodness me, what a pleasant surprise! Yes it has been a while, but hey ho, mustn't grumble, stiff upper lip and all that. Hope you're ok and sorry to hear about your mc. Twelve weeks must have been pretty awful sad

EuroShaggleton Thu 07-Mar-13 09:50:48

Moll you know how to please a girl.

Sorry to read about your mc Bessie.

Right, off for attempt #2 to reach the clinic imminently.

MavisCruet176 Thu 07-Mar-13 09:56:12

thinking of you euro

EuroShaggleton Thu 07-Mar-13 13:09:56

Thanks ladies. EmBarryo isn't going to make it. The gestational sac hadn't grown at all (was about half the size it should have been a week ago and it's now 1/3 of the size it should be). The 2mm yolk sac had turned into a teeny weeny 2mm embryo, but it should be 8mm by now. There was still no heartbeat. They said I can carry on the cyclogest and be rescanned in a week, but the most likely outcome is miscarriage. We have talked about it and decided to stop the drugs and just let it happen. Having read the entire internet, I don't think I have ever come across a good outcome with an embie this far behind at this stage. It just seems kinder for all concerned to let it go now.

Despite the news, I'm actually doing ok. I did a lot of crying after last week's scan and sort of grieved then, so I am taking this in my stride at the moment (I am expecting a relapse when the bleeding starts though). Bye bye emBarryo. You were loved and very much wanted.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 07-Mar-13 13:34:24

I'm so sorry Euro sad Just take things easy and look after yourself.

I've got to go back to the clinic tomorrow morning, I've got one follicle of 14mm and about 12 hovering between 9 and 12 so they don't want to leave me too long. I suspect it will be Trigger Time tomorrow!

TWinklyLittleStar Thu 07-Mar-13 13:52:44

Really really sorry to hear that euro. I was hoping for a different outcome for you ((hugs))

HavingALittleFaithBaby Thu 07-Mar-13 13:59:54

I'm so sorry euro sad

evilgiraffe Thu 07-Mar-13 14:23:00

Oh, euro sad

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Thu 07-Mar-13 14:47:03

Euro I'm so sorry. You've brought tears to my eyes with your stoicism and dignity.


Northey Thu 07-Mar-13 17:22:51

euro, I'm dreadfully, dreadfully sorry. How have you been getting on with the rest of the day?

JethroTull Thu 07-Mar-13 17:30:13

Oh Euro what shitty news. You've been amazing throughout all of this. I salute you.

EuroShaggleton Thu 07-Mar-13 17:35:41

Well the icing on the cake is that I now appear to have cystitis. confused It started feeling a bit ouchy down there about 10 mins after my scan this morning. I think the probe thingummy must have squashed my pipework or something. I am currently necking large amounts of bicarb solution and trying not to vom. Irritatingly, it is not something I am particularly prone to (I have only ever had it 2 or 3 times in my life and the last time was more than a decade ago I think) but I have never managed to shift it without antibiotics. Arsebiscuits.

Rie your message was very touching. I was tempted to flippantly give a virtual moon in response (thereby losing my dignity!), but that would have tainted a lovely message.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Thu 07-Mar-13 17:39:45

Now that would not have been very ladylike and moreover would have been very difficult in an empire line dress.

Sympaffies on the cystitis. It really is the work of Satan.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 07-Mar-13 17:49:05

Faith will be able to advise you on waterworks treatment Euro, but you are right it is a final kick in the teeth.

HWHNN is coming back this evening anyway as the nurse kept emphasising that the more sex we have before Ov the better. All well and good, but sometimes it's logistics!

HavingALittleFaithBaby Thu 07-Mar-13 17:53:59

Ouch cystitis.....what a kick in the crotch euro. I would be running off to the GP for some antibiotics as I've never been able to knock urine infections on the head without them. Take a wee sample with you. Avoid cranberry juice because its acidic and can actually make symptoms worse.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Thu 07-Mar-13 18:18:49

Water. Lots and lots and lots of water.

Why are we advised to drink cranberry juice if it is acidic and makes the wee hurt more?

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 07-Mar-13 18:26:42

Oh Euro I'm so so sorry.

From a practical point of view you will require the thickest sanitary towels you can get, I always wear 2 pairs of knickers when MCing as it makes you feel more 'secure'; pain killers, Co codamol (sp?); nice bubble bath; a good DVD box set; all plans cancelled for 2-3 days; snacks of every type; a nice blanket and some tissues.

I'm angry with the world right now. We all deserve a baybee..... why can't we simply just get one?

I have a sore fanjo btw, its itchy /stingy and is currently lathered in sudocrem

No its not thrush / an STI etc

HavingALittleFaithBaby Thu 07-Mar-13 18:28:41

Exactly rierie. Medical consensus is that cranberry might help prevent urine infections (although the research of recent times had put that into question) but its been picked up and interpreted as 'drinking cranberry juice when you have a UTI'. Snot true!

Euro, so sorry. This sucks. sad

EuroShaggleton Thu 07-Mar-13 20:04:08

bugs thanks for the tips. I actually stocked up on towels and painkillers a week ago because I had quite severe cramps after the first bad scan, but didn't end up bleeding. I really hope I can manage to do it naturally. I've already emailed my acu lady to see if there is anything she can do to help.

Sorry to hear about the sore fanoir. What do you think it could be?

faif the timing is really bad because I'd like to see if I can kick it tomorrow. It has eased off a bit since the bicarb but is still there mildly. But if I wait I doubt I'll be able to get a gold dust Saturday appt so it would be a completely miserable weekend. Hmmm.

Bessie123 Thu 07-Mar-13 20:45:01

Oh euro I'm so sorry to hear you mc. It is so shit sad

Euro crappiest news. Sorry. Hope the next bit is as easy as some that shit can be

Northey Thu 07-Mar-13 21:22:23

Fuck, that really is insult to injury. Well done with the bicarb though. It sounds like you've got straight onto it, which is good.

How is KFZK?

Or alternatively that my godawful grammar makes you smirk... "as some that shit can be" WTAF? hmm I do speak English, I promise

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Fri 08-Mar-13 08:42:59

sad at all the shit. So sorry euro. I second bugs advice although the time of 2-3 days without appointments only started for me at severe expelling cramps (I worked the days leading up to it, and achually did a really important presentation the day before, which distracted me for a bit). Also my clinic helpfully explained that if you start bleeding so much that it is actually running (rather than drizzling) you need to get yourself to A&E. So keep KFZK on stand-by. As to cystitis, no need to soldier on, just get the antibiotics and some probiotics for afterwards. No need to add further insults and stuff.

What did you do with your fanjo bugs?!?

Waves to bessie and says: feel welcome when your ready!

Sorry everyone has had maudlin moments on Wednesday while I was having dinner at massively diffed friend who had 5 miscarriages for baybee 1, and then was somewhat shocked baybee 2 stuck on the first diffment

On other news my left jaw aches...

EuroShaggleton Fri 08-Mar-13 09:30:39

Drizz if you have been using your jaw, that might mean you have been doing it wrong...

More seriously, thanks for the advice. I plan to keep going with work and stuff for as long as I can but take some time for the bad bit. I was only staffed on a huge new case last week, and it has a tight deadline, so I don't feel that I can say I'm taking a week or off whatever. I will just take what I need to. And I think keeping busy might help.

Today I just feel empty (literally). I've stopped the progesterone now, so I think it might be a bit of a hormone drop, as well as sadness at the news.

On a small positive note, the cystitis seems to have f***ed off the the far side of f***, thankfully. I think it might have been my first ever bout of pressure cystitis rather than bacterial, so I am keeping things crossed that I won't need antibiotics this time round.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Fri 08-Mar-13 09:49:18

I don't think I've done anything wrong, jawwise <looks innocently>

Hormones are freaky things and I assure you there is no emptiness inside hope you can cope sort of okay with today. Is it possible to tell someone you trust at work that you might need to leave at short notice so they can pick up the pieces? I did call a close collegue/friend the day before the BIG presentation to get her to take over/sort out the mess if I couldn't make it. That gave me the confidence not to call it off completely. I really hope the BIG case will provide some distraction. And if and when it happens, do take time for yourself.

Btw you sound very level-headed about it all, which is awe inspiring, but it is okay if you don't stay level-headed. The hormonal upheaval combined with the loss of Barry and all the hopes pinned on him is likely to knock you badly. Take the time you need and off-load here if you feel like it. Thinking of you lots. Have a huge big hug and a lovely slice of rum-raisin-bananacake yes working from home again.

EuroShaggleton Fri 08-Mar-13 09:53:35

<Grabs cake with both hands>

Thanks for the advice. There is one person here that I can tell. She knows we have been trying and were going for IVF in Jan, but I hadn't told her it worked. She's been having a tough time herself with stress, but I know she would be supportive in any way she could.

I wasn't level headed at all a week ago. After the first scan I spent 3 days bursting into tears at random moments and generally being a complete mess. I reckon I will keep it together now until the bleeding starts and that will make it seem more real.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Fri 08-Mar-13 10:03:09

That sounds very familiar. I sometimes think we cope is quite similar ways. I really hope you won't get the falling to pieces I got later, but after weeping uncontrollably for the first weekend after hearing the bad news, the bleeding stage was more coping with the inevitable, very unpleasant physical effects, rather than too much emotions. But they came and went for a long while afterwards.

Btw good to know you have at least one person you can trust. If she knows you went for IVF you can always dump the mc-I-need-to-leave news on her in one go. Just a gentle word of warning, people might well react with: but it is really good news it worked for you which it is but the last thing I wanted to hear when I was miscarrying and made me want to kill many, including my brother.

MavisCruet176 Fri 08-Mar-13 11:36:24

sorry to hear your news euro thanks

EuroShaggleton Fri 08-Mar-13 11:52:01

drizz oddly, at the moment, both KFZK and I feel quite positive. After more than 2 years and trying the old fashioned way, Letrozole and IUI, plus attempting conventional IVF, we have found something that works for us. Aside from EC, I didn't find the process that tough (some scans and then an extra-anxious 2ww), and it gave us a positive result, so it clearly overcomes whatever our undiagnosed ishoo is. And I don't think I will flip out as much over EC next time (although I reckon I am still likely to want to run away). I had thought for a long while that the problem must be implantation as sperm, eggs and tubes all seemed to be ok, but we got past that hurdle.

Only 4 RL friends knew about the BFP, so only they know about the mc. Plus my mum, who didn't know about the BFP before but I told last night, and she was abit rubbish, as she has been all the way through. Three of the 4 friends and my mum have had mcs themselves, so hopefully this will be a bar to trite unhelpful comments. But I will brace myself just in case.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 08-Mar-13 13:18:41

Grrr, darn follicle has stalled at 15mm. They now want to see me again on Monday, sticking with the lower dose drucks till then. If they say take the trigger on Monday we should be ok, providing we get some sechs in this weekend, but if they hold it over another day or two we're going to struggle to get the timing right angry

In other news, I've finished my course so am now back home for the rest of the day - screw going back to the office! I've got to go food shopping and write some assignments so that will keep me busy.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Fri 08-Mar-13 13:39:02

GRRR at stalling follie. They cut it down by how much? It should really be ready to pop very soon.

Good to hear you're positive and that you have supportive types with the exception of your mum around you euro. Good luck with the next bit!

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Fri 08-Mar-13 13:39:51

And on other news I just got my marks for the last assignment I did for the course I am doing, and they were good so only a thesis to go now. hmm

EuroShaggleton Fri 08-Mar-13 13:44:28

<Sends growing vibes to Frank>

Well done re: your courses, both of you!

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 08-Mar-13 13:52:34

They cut my drucks from 75 to 37.5 on Tuesday, so I had 8 days of a normal dose and will be 6 days of a half-dose. They were worried about leaving me on the full dose because I'd sprung up 12 follicles and they didn't want them all trying to mature at once.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Fri 08-Mar-13 14:01:09

12 follicles shock Clearly you can do ULTRA-mild IVF, if you ever get that far. Shame they cut it back too so much. But that is menopur, fairly impossible to do more subtle things then half the dose. Are you polycystic? That would explain the excessive response.

Apparently with IVF they'd only start me on 150units, when I produce two follies on 75-100. Oh well, cross that bridge when we come to it.

I have just been to the market and treated myself to flowers and nice dinner. Sadly I am pretty much ready for sleep now...

PS Well done on your course too.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 08-Mar-13 14:05:32

Yeah, "skinny PCOS" which is an indicator of potential for hyper stimulation. The nurse said I'd be a good candidate for IVF on that basis.

Casserole Fri 08-Mar-13 15:02:10

Oh Euro I am so sorry to read the update.
Thinking of you.

EuroShaggleton Fri 08-Mar-13 15:07:08

Thanks Cass.

Northey Fri 08-Mar-13 17:11:15

Any news, euro? I started bleeding about 36 hours after stopping pessaries, if that is anything to go by. What are you doing this weekend?

Northey Fri 08-Mar-13 17:12:18

frank, what a fine crop of follicles! Bugger that the growth stalled.

evilgiraffe Fri 08-Mar-13 18:11:17

Well done and arrgh, Frank! Impressive fortitude, euro, long may it last.

Today I went with friends to visit recently-widowed friend. All well, though I was the only childless person there (even widow had her DD and GC). Therefore subsequent Facebook entries listed mums plus kids and me on my own, and a couple of rather nice photos of me reading picture books with one-year-olds. Both these things have reduced me to tears, which must surely mean droidal invasion is imminent (due on Tues, but it's mothers day on Sunday, so I'm bound to come on then, as per last year). FFS. Does anyone have a grip they can lend me?

EuroShaggleton Fri 08-Mar-13 19:34:28

No sign yet, Norf. But I took my last pessary yesterday morning so my body won't have started missing it until late last night, so it is early days. I've been to see my acu lady this evening and she twiddled lots of expelling points <technical> so hopefully that will help. When I took the pessaries on my Letrozole cycle I think it was 3 days before I started bleeding, but I would have had some natural progesterone floating around then too. I've had the odd light cramp today, so hopefully something will move soon.

Draf sorry, I'm all out of grips. I'm planning to take to my bed on Sunday - how very feme appropriate - and refuse to leave until it is all over. Sods law says that is when I will start bleeding too.

Do you all have nice weekend plans? A little riding? A country dance, perchance?

MavisCruet176 Fri 08-Mar-13 20:39:06

a country dance you say, that sounds most jolly...alas I am not sure that I have an appropriate frock

Northey Sat 09-Mar-13 06:14:28

I have to share with you an Austen quote most apposite to the thread which I have just uncovered. "I am not fond of the idea of my shrubberies being always approachable." Is it not excellent? Alas, I could not think how to work it in naturally.

I shall take a turn about the village today, to call on the physician and hand in some ivf paperwork and my sharps bin, if they will take it. And then I must devote myself to study (by which I mean a shed load of work).

A most erudite and appropriate quote indeed, Miss Norf. I did snigger most fulsomely. smile

Northey Sat 09-Mar-13 08:29:27

Alas, my shrubberies are too often publicly invaded these days. I may as well set up a public right of way.

I am inspired by the thread to read some Austen now, so have dug out pride and prejudice and gone back to bed.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sat 09-Mar-13 09:30:42

Well missNorth that is a most impressively appropriate quote, it is quite pleasant to know my shrubberies are having a break of being invaded by strangers.

I am ready to go back to bed too, but have used moderate violence to raise my most esteemed husband. I was counting on him being out and me finally watching all of DA but he is here and needing some attention hmm

Thinking of you euro. And of everyone coming on this mothering Sunday. It is just WRONG. Mine not due til Thursday at the earliest, so I think I am safe...

cherrycoconut Sat 09-Mar-13 11:49:43

Just popping in here from the Elderberries to express my commiserations and admiration for you Euro so sorry to hear your news. I hope it's all over soon and you will be ready to fight another day.

And while I'm sticking my nose over the fence it's maybe apt to add my favourite Jane Austin quote which is a Mr Bennett quip from P&P which goes something like "For what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbours, and laugh at them in our turn?”. In this case of course not laughing but sharing the general indignities of invaded shrubberies and the like, absolutely! One must keep up ones sense of humour in the sometimes dark days of this ttc lark.

MavisCruet176 Sat 09-Mar-13 11:54:43

norf - chuckle! shrubbery is going to be my new euphemism grin

evilgiraffe Sat 09-Mar-13 12:19:13

Indeed, driz, mother's day can fuck right off. I am having lunch with a friend on Monday, I hope to fuck she doesn't talk about her first mother's day, I am liable to burst into sobs...

Love the shrubberies smile

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Mar-13 13:01:20


ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Mar-13 13:02:53

Ooops, pressed enter too soon.

I wrote something witty about this scene

Northey Sat 09-Mar-13 13:19:15

Well write it again, missy! Otherwise we will think you are making it up <menacing>

MavisCruet176 Sat 09-Mar-13 13:20:35

that is one of my favourite scenes ever!! we want a shrubbery!!

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Mar-13 13:31:36

I am Roger the Shrubber grin

Even when I first saw that scene at fourteen, it was side splitting.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Mar-13 13:32:36

Too late Norf, it's gone, the last leaves of my fertility....<wipes tears>

MavisCruet176 Sat 09-Mar-13 13:44:12

I've just had to waste half an hour looking up more clips from the Holy Grail - definitely funniest Python movie grin

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Mar-13 13:56:57

I think this might be my favourite. It reminds me of every committee I've ever sat on.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Mar-13 14:05:24

Though I think The Life of Brian has the edge.

MavisCruet176 Sat 09-Mar-13 14:17:16

lol - that is one of the clips I had to look up grin

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Mar-13 14:40:22

Mavis, forgive me, but if you say lol again I may have to eject you from the BESH Palais <apologetic>

I'm watching the rugby now. Go Wales! Any Scots here?

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sat 09-Mar-13 15:03:08

Aha - there is been good time wasting going on here.

Since I last looked on here I have gone food shopping, done a load washing, put bolognese sauce on for endless simmering and made blueberry crumble muffins ( Feel all virtuous. Time to read all the papers and drink tea for the rest of the day. Monty Python will wait til tomorrow when I need to work on a paper.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sat 09-Mar-13 15:03:40
Take 2, you should all try them (unless you're everything that is in them free)

LazyMachine Sat 09-Mar-13 15:09:06

I'm so sorry to hear what's going on Euro - hope this stage passes quickly. Do take good care of yourself this weekend.
<shamelessly huge hug>

Casserole Sat 09-Mar-13 22:46:54
FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sun 10-Mar-13 09:38:11

Ooooh Cass, that's good. We should all buy one!

Morning BESH. Euro virtual flowers, cake, wine gin coming your way. Hope you have glued yourself to the sofa with some crap TV, Mr Euro and a snuggly duvet.

Does anyone on here have any experience of thyroid issues? I'm having stupidly low temps this month post O (FF has given me crosshairs but no idea why as I can't see that my temp went up any worthwhile amount) but dr google seems to suggest my average temps could be indicative of low thyroid.

EuroShaggleton Sun 10-Mar-13 09:51:11

Cass that is brilliant. I love that line. Particularly when Colin Firth is delivering it.

Rie I'm loving the old school Monty Python. We hired a youth into the dept last year. It came out that he had never seen Monty Python or Blackadder. One of my colleagues and I decided to remedy that and bought him the box sets for Xmas. We viewed it as plugging a gap in his cultural education.

Norf where is that quote from?

I had a near miss a moment ago. I almost clicked on facebook. shock Must remember to stay away today. It will just be too vom/tear-inducing.

It doesn't look like mc Droid (makes it sound like a club DJ) is going to put in an appearance today. I was hoping for a sod's law mother's day start. I'm dragging myself out for a hard run in a minute to see if that brings the cramps on. I cramped quite badly after my last run. My boobs still hurt though so I know the progesterone hasn't dropped that much yet.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Mar-13 11:39:06

I am annoyed with the world today. It can fuck off. MrRie is of course completely oblivious. Why on earth should this day be any different to another? I mean it's not like we even have any children <baffled silence> And now I'm getting the silent treatment, just because I asked him to sort out a wedding invitation from one of HIS friends. He has too much to do apparently and I should do it: respond, book the hotel and get the present. I of course have less to do hmm. This is after having sat watching YouTube videos since he got up.

Moan, moan, moan....

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Mar-13 13:11:05

Sorry. That must have been a tedious read.

How is everyone today? How is Euro? Cuddled up with a hot water bottle?

EuroShaggleton Sun 10-Mar-13 13:59:05

Hi Rie. Sorry MrRie is being crap. Do you want to go to the wedding? If not, leave him to it. That's what I do when KFZK is supposed to be sorting out something I am not desperately keen on.

I'm ok. Feeling absolutely fine. Getting frustrated that nothing is happening. Even a hardcore run this morning hasn't got me cramping - the one last weekend did. <Impatient> Wondering if I should go for the surgical option after all. Meh.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Mar-13 14:19:56

Meh indeed.

One big giant MEH!

Northey Sun 10-Mar-13 14:53:02

I've just been biscuited! For nothing!

Anyway, aries, I totally concur with euro's advice. That's what I do. Though then it does mean we end up having to do a more expensive version of everything when he finally gets round to booking things.

euro, it might be a bit of a horridly facile suggestion, but you could try the things you're meant to avoid during differdom, like certain essential oils or very hot baths or something. I hope that doesnt sound insensitive sad

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Mar-13 15:48:34


Northey Sun 10-Mar-13 16:06:04

A mean poster in Primary Education gave it to me. I was quite taken aback. She was mean.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Mar-13 16:08:03

Bloody meanie.

EuroShaggleton Sun 10-Mar-13 16:08:32

Norf I am already following that logic - hot baths, strenuous runs, strong coffee and evening primrose have all been tried so far and nada. By development, embarryo gave up around 5.5 weeks, so it has already been almost a fortnight with no bleed.

I guess I don't have an implantation problem - he seems to be very firmly wedged!

I have just emailed work to get out of next week's trip. It was just causing me too much stress to think I might be in a forrin country on my own if it all kicks off. I'm still planning on the one the week after though. If nothing shifts this week, I reckon it's going nowhere without surgery so I'll have that when I come back.

Northey Sun 10-Mar-13 16:17:21

Riding in a hackney carriage?

Are you spending today in bed as planned?

EuroShaggleton Sun 10-Mar-13 16:22:57

I haven't given that one a go yet, Norf. I might get desperate enough.

Not quite. I'm currently sitting on my bed "working" (i.e. I should be working but I am on here instead). I had such an unproductive week (for obvious reasons) I have loads to catch up on but I am not in the mood. I'm not really sure where the day went, tbh. I took myself out for a killer run and then dewookified myself (early preggo hormones have a shock effect on hair growth, apparently). And then I sat on the sofa for a few hours feeling meh. KFZK has food poisoning (or sympathy cramps as he is calling it) so he isn't much good as a nursemaid today. We are both a bit meh.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Sun 10-Mar-13 16:27:50

little present for you all Luff from Faithy

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sun 10-Mar-13 16:32:17

Link fail Faithy grin

HavingALittleFaithBaby Sun 10-Mar-13 16:40:38
FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sun 10-Mar-13 16:43:11

Ah, much better grin

Northey Sun 10-Mar-13 16:44:33

He looks a lot younger and fleshier than I remember. But not unpleasing to the eye of a young lady.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Sun 10-Mar-13 16:44:44


lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sun 10-Mar-13 17:07:03

Afternoon hags!

Thanks for that faify. I might just put P&P on now. I should be working but not feeling like it. I just spent a fortune on clothes that won't fit if diffed and probably never after, as they show off my good features (waist and flat belly, won't mention the clearly not childbearing hips). Was taken shopping by my (lovely) SiL who left the kids with my brother, late treat to cheer me up post-mc. Did get to hand over half my salary myself though. But it was most of an afternoon which are much more valuable particularly today. Then I did origami with my eldest nephew while eating cake. Quite a good afternoon really.

Sorry about the mehness aries and the silent treatment. I concur with letting him sort it all out. Although if you really cannot afford that either badger more or do it.

Sorry it ain't shifting euro. There might well be really high levels of progesteron in your body still, your boobs are achy aren't they? Giving it a week to work itself out sounds sensible, and I would suggest deciding on a time frame after which you'd seriously consider surgery so you can put it out of your mind completely for now. Thinking of you.

Waves at the rest, shopping is tiring, I might need to retire to the couch smile

EuroShaggleton Sun 10-Mar-13 17:23:38

Yep, boobs are still a bit hurty and I know AF never arrives until they have been unhurty for a day, so I think my progesterone levels haven't dropped yet.

Your day sounds fab. What a nice SiL. I think some very unsuitable for diffedness shopping might be in order soon for me.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sun 10-Mar-13 17:27:55

My SiL well this one is wonderful. Although she can be quite scary and forceful, hence the not shopping until now. Shopping is good, particularly unsuitable too expensive clothes. Go and get some and then get yourself diffed in the meantime and regret not spending it on pram-baby clothes-etc.

"You want to tell me and I have no objection to hearing it" - just updating you on my P&P progress. It is WONDERFUL smile

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sun 10-Mar-13 17:31:40

Wait and see re: the boobs. I did feel a distinct drop in progesteron felt like sechsing for fun all of a sudden again. But it was all a bit different, as I started spotting as the first sign of possible trouble.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sun 10-Mar-13 17:43:25

"she is tolerable I suppose, but not handsome enough to tempt me"

"I am in no humour to give consequence to young ladies who have been slighted by other men"

Happy lemon smile

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Mar-13 17:58:03

My favourite EVER quote is "Do you expect me to rejoice in the inferiority of your connections?" grin

I think it's that anyway.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sun 10-Mar-13 18:10:09

Should get to that point sometime this evening or tomorrow, will take note and report back. But that speech is my favourite part of the whole drama. smile

RaspberrySnowCone Sun 10-Mar-13 19:17:46

My dearest BESH, you must forgive my simply ghastly behaviour in being absent for the most part of such a delightful thread. One really has had the most demanding and simply un-sustainably busy week and one that has been most ghastly I must confess. I have been subjected to the awful matter of what my dearest MATV refers to as 'work' and my gosh I have met some quite detestable gents with whom I am afraid to say I have sparred. Unfortunately I am informed I must return in approximately 14 hours. Dearest BESH I am indeed sporting a 'sad face'.

What I mean when I say the above is I had a shit week and I had a massive barney with some horrid man I work with who is a controlling bully and has a weird thing about me and a number of other women. Very uncomfortable.

Feeling very miserable today, mothers day sucks. Grandad is now buried, mum is ok but very down herself at the moment. My period is technically late but I really can't be bothered to get excited. Instead I'm just pissed off that it hasn't shown up so it's going to interrupt my exercise classes next week cuz swinging round a pole with hot pants on is NOT, I repeat NOT a safe activity when droid is present. I was so tired on Friday I fell asleep on the loo. We just spent the night at MIL and she drove me mental. Keeps asking what we do diet wise as we've both lost loads of weight then declares everything we say 'fucking rubbish' (yes, she really is that sweary) because its the opposite of slimming world and she's always done well on slimming world. Not sure why she wants our advice if that's the case then.

I am in a bad mood angry

RaspberrySnowCone Sun 10-Mar-13 19:21:14

and I am properly pissed off with people sticking photos on facebook of the flowers their under 1 year old babies have bought them for mothers day or pieces of paper with a crappy hand print on it. WTF? At least I've identified a few more bellends to block. angry angry angry

Northey Sun 10-Mar-13 19:29:58

I am very glad today that I have got a lot of younger male gay friends on Facebook who clearly have scarcely a concept of mothers day as a thing to post about. It is nicely refreshing to have a selection of updates about partying and politics and gin in amongst the "thank you johnny for a whole hour's lie in and a cup of tea in bed #bestbabyever" smug wankery.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Mar-13 19:31:57

I want younger male gay friends envy

I have hidden about four people today. I just can't bear it. I know logically they don't mean to be smug.

Northey Sun 10-Mar-13 19:36:01

I know. They are just posting to a different audience. But I wish they'd cock off with it.

You can share my young male gays, aries <generous> Though they in their turn make me feel inadequate with all their joyful bouncy sociability and three balls a week nonsense.

Northey Sun 10-Mar-13 19:37:02

Balls = parties, not testicles in this instance, obvs.

EuroShaggleton Sun 10-Mar-13 19:37:32

I've avoided FB all day. Even my gay friends have a baybee, ffs.

If I ever do get diffed, I'm expecting shitloads of presents "from the baybee". I figure I deserve them for waiting so long.

RaspberrySnowCone Sun 10-Mar-13 19:39:00

'i know they dont mean to be smug'. To me that's even worst, it means it's completely engrained in them to be fucking smug rather than making a conscious effort to be smug smile

I was going to post a picture of my ever developing six pack today and irregularly muscly back and say something along the lines of 'keep your stretch marks and your sleepless nights, this is my biggest achievement and it took a lot more hard work than it did you to have a baby'. However, I have eaten like a gannet over the last 48 hrs so said six pack is now hiding behind a great deal of water retention sad is camera shy is all it is smile

I am being unnecessarily nasty and I don't really mean it but it's proving very therapeutic :\

Northey Sun 10-Mar-13 19:41:04

Arf at the provoking "it took a great deal more effort" bit. That'll put the wind up them all right.

But it does make me try to be careful about posting anything remotely showy-offy, because you never know the circumstances of everyone in your audience.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Mar-13 19:41:50

How do the gays find the energy for all this bouncy sociableness? It perplexes me. Even ones in their forties in stable relationships?

I don't know any to my knowledge so I will happily share yours Norf. Though I am afraid they would find me very far from fabulous....

Northey Sun 10-Mar-13 19:43:12

I am not fabulous either. Probably they look upon me as a project. I am Harriet to their Emma.

RaspberrySnowCone Sun 10-Mar-13 19:46:05

I know Northy, I wouldn't really. I'm not that controversial and I know lots of people who have actually had a hellish time with their pregnancies etc but it would have made me feel mucho better because when I'm grumpy I get a little bit spiteful sometimes. Generally I keep it to myself then feel bad that I ever had such thoughts. I'm a nice girl really. But fuck me it's hard work trying to get a six pack. It really, really is.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sun 10-Mar-13 19:50:52

I have avoided Facebook for the most part, but I did post on my BF's status about having a lovely first Mother's Day. She's deserved it the poor love.

I'm currently undertaking my first attempt at a cross-stitch pattern. It's a teeny 3 inch square with a black cat in the middle. All well brought up young ladies ought to be able to embroider wink

evilgiraffe Sun 10-Mar-13 20:08:09

Mother's Day = fuck right off day

I have hidden so many posts, but at least have been at MIL's today so avoided most of it. Also droid has not yet arrived (huzzah!) so that's a small blessing.

RaspberrySnowCone Sun 10-Mar-13 20:58:11

OMG I'm bored, and tired, and eating anything I can get my hands on. And I have wind. Bad mood still prevails, think I'm going to snooze on the sofa.

FriendofDorothy Sun 10-Mar-13 20:59:15

I have a lovely collection of Gays who were always very reliable at providing me with overinformation about cock and other such fripperies. Was suitably distracting during the vie TTC phase.

Thinking of you all today.

Northey Sun 10-Mar-13 21:00:17

I've had a shower and gone to bed, to sulk out the last few hours of mothers day. This should have been my first one, incidentally.

Northey Sun 10-Mar-13 21:01:23

And I know there are others here who should also have been hoping it for the first time. I didn't mean that to sound so me-centric.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Sun 10-Mar-13 21:29:28

sad Norf

Weird day. Seems like these events forget the flip side of highlighting how tough it is for some people. I hate the FB stuff. Especially the To all you wonderful Mummies out there... envy puke face I do wonder if some of them are intentionally smug?! 'Look at me, I reproduced! If you did too, you're so very speshul.' I know how fortunate I am to be diffed. Some people make me stabby on behalf of those who have lost their Mums, have crap Mums, are struggling to become Mums and those who have lost baybees

I have been in a weird mood all day, my most ardent apologies for the outburst

Happy mothers Bloody Enormous Triple Gin Day everyone. wine

I looked at FB out of pure habit this morning before running screaming from the internet. I have only just crept back in.. I have had a luffly day with BE and MIL though and an especially luffly morning with BE welcoming him home from his week away, naughty wink etc

Raspberry I am feeling very evil about quite a few of my baybeed-up friends today. Let it out. It's making me laugh.

I am looking at my FF temp chart and it is all over the freakin' place. My morning temps have no logic to them at all. How this app is ever going to find OV is beyond me.. It currently looks like I've already either OV'd or died several times.

Northey Sun 10-Mar-13 21:34:54

I know, faif, and it must be so hard for you without your own mother sad

HavingALittleFaithBaby Sun 10-Mar-13 21:54:09

I miss her lots Northey, I cannot lie. But I was lucky to have her smile

For how long have you been charting MissMollington?

Faif this is only my second month of really properly doing the charts because I'm too disorganised and my first of using fertility friend. Before that, i was using some booklet-based charts that a friend gave me. The problem with these was that my BBT is really low and was off the bottom of the chart the whole time.
I've just been looking at symptoms of low progesterone as I think this might be behind some of my TTC issues. One of the symptoms is a low BBT.. hmm

HavingALittleFaithBaby Mon 11-Mar-13 09:29:42

My first couple of charts were really bizarre. Charting definitely has knack to it! How low is low in terms of your temps?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Mon 11-Mar-13 09:54:04

Grrr, my follies are on strike angry. My 15mm one hadn't grown a jot since Friday. The nurses have taken blood to check my hormone levels so will get back to me later to let me know what the Dr wants to do.

Oh Frank, how frustrating! I am willing on the follies for you.

Faith, my lowest temp so far this cycle is 35.2

EuroShaggleton Mon 11-Mar-13 10:54:51

Moll that is really low. I would say it is definitely worth getting your thyroid checked.

Frank how rude of your follies. Have you given them a good talking to?

faif I'm sorry MD was tough for you in a different way.

Hmm, Euro it has allegedly been checked - it was in the first round of bloods I had done. I never saw the figures but the gp said it was fine. I'm planning to get print outs of all my results though, so I can check it out myself. There seems to be some debate about what constitutes 'low'..

EuroShaggleton Mon 11-Mar-13 11:35:10

I've also heard that there is more than one thing that should be tested to check thyroid function. A lot of GPs only do the basic check and that won't always pick up a problem. This is just what I have read on these boards though. There were a couple of ladies on the Pred thread when I was on there who had thyroid problems and mentioned testing in their posts.

Rubyx Mon 11-Mar-13 11:49:33

Lol this thread has put a smile on my face. I would have Mr Darcy in the form of Colin Firth. Yummy.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 11-Mar-13 11:51:08

Hello Rubyx, while I am delighted that you find this thread amusing, bear in mind its purpose and context please. Thanks.

EuroShaggleton Mon 11-Mar-13 12:03:48

I'm glad reading about the ttc problems of others and my mc has made you smile. What can I do next for your entertainment?


FriendofDorothy Mon 11-Mar-13 13:13:26

Molls I had quite low temps when I was charting. Took me a few cycles to get the hang of it too.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Mon 11-Mar-13 16:08:12

Clinic have called back: keep taking the drugs, come back on Wednesday.


EuroShaggleton Mon 11-Mar-13 16:22:26

Well they wouldn't have said that if they didn't think they would grow, so that sounds promising.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Mon 11-Mar-13 16:48:52

I know. It's just such a lot of too-ing and fro-ing. I was there 3 times last week and it looks like it'll probably be the same this week. The drive is a real PITA, it's only 10 miles away but the rush hour traffic means I have to allow at least an hour to get there.

I know I shouldn't complain.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 11-Mar-13 16:50:38

Complain away. Why shouldn't you moan. You've been dealt a dud hand. We all have.

EuroShaggleton Mon 11-Mar-13 16:52:09

What Rie said*.

As I said on another thread recently. Subfertility is just sh1t. Why can't we just have a drunken sh@g like "normal" people? Why?

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Mar-13 17:06:11

Afternoon Esh.

Rasp please tell me the secret of your amazing body. I saw the pics on fb and my crush on you slightly grew smile

I don't know how to say this nicely and its going to sound awful but please could some ESH remember that constant baby related status updates are a little annoying? I'm thrilled for all graduating BESH but like Norf yesterday should have been my first Mothers Day with my baybee so constant updates about Junior are a hard pill to swallow atm.

I really don't want to cause a fall out.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 11-Mar-13 17:13:08

I wouldn't use the word "annoying" Bugs. I'd use "hurtful". You're hurting at the moment. It's a pain which won't go away.

Anyway, have these ----> xxx

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Mar-13 17:15:43

I'm not hurting, no more than usual anyway. It just grates when not too long ago some ESH would find the same thing a kick in the teeth and are now doing the same. Its as if some have forgotten the troubles they had.

I'm not naming names as I don't want to make a big 'thing' out of this, I'm just asking for common courtesy before I have to hide people who I really like.

EuroShaggleton Mon 11-Mar-13 17:22:56

I'm still avoiding FB, Bugs. I went on briefly today to send a message to someone whose email I don't have but managed to stop myself scrolling though. It just hurts too much. I reckon if I give it another couple of days, all of the MD stuff will have dropped off the bottom.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 11-Mar-13 17:24:18

Did anyone see my oh-so-amusing update?

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Mar-13 17:29:06

Yep Rie I did. It made me smile.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Mar-13 17:45:15

Chester Zoo have a penguin webcam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its down for maintenance at the moment sadly.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 11-Mar-13 17:46:06


Another penguin fred? <hopeful>

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Mar-13 17:48:48

I want to do the next fred. I may regret saying this as I'm not really that humorous / clever.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 11-Mar-13 17:50:29


You've said now and can't take it back.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Mar-13 17:51:53


FriendofDorothy Mon 11-Mar-13 17:57:33

bugs sorry if that was any of my statuses (probably was) - certainly wasn't designed to offend anyone.

FriendofDorothy Mon 11-Mar-13 18:00:16

(more than one way to skin a cat by the way!)

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Mar-13 18:03:50

I'm not trying to hurt anyone, but yes Dor it is some of yours. <looks ashamed>

I don't want to hide you, I like your status's and photos but lately its all been a bit too much about your little one. <sorry>.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Mon 11-Mar-13 18:05:41

Cute overload

<tries to diffuse any bad feeling, if there is any. Y'know, just saying>

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Mar-13 18:06:32

Squeee Frank

I want a bunny but GP won't let me. Reckons the dog will eat it. He's probably right

FriendofDorothy Mon 11-Mar-13 18:06:57

Don't be sorry. Maybe now i the time I should sidle sway quietly.

You shouldn't see anymore of those updates now.

I am very sorry, but I definitely haven't forgotten. That's all I will say.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Mar-13 18:10:58

Please don't feel you can't stay Dor, you are not an instadiffer by any means. You suffered the same pain and heartache as us all and earnt your place here. You have every right to be thrilled with the boy and FB status's about him are ok...... just not daily.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 11-Mar-13 18:11:55

Don't go Dor. It's nice when former BESH come in and cheer and encourage. It's been really nice seeing Cass around lately as well.

We're not FB buds so I don't know about you, but I will say that there are lots and lots of former BESH who don't hold back about posting stuff about their children. A lot. But it's nice as well when they remember their roots - which you do a lot.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 11-Mar-13 18:13:47

Evening hags!

I have a date with Colin Mr Darcy tonight. SB is out and I am going to make hot chocolate and enjoy myself. The only thing is we have NO snacks in the house and I think it needs biscuits. So I might bake some smile

Sorry about the shittyness that is MD for many on here. And hurrah it is over. Hope no bad feeling lingers, but bugs I regularly hide all the new mums and the diffed ones. I luckily have a number of childfree colleague/friends, a fair number of gay men the women get diffed more easily than me, grrr and a few oldies who have reproduced but LONG ago.

Get a move on you STUUUUPID follie. How annoying frank. If it hasn't grown why don't they up the dose a little bit?

How are you doing today euro? Thinking of you.

EuroShaggleton Mon 11-Mar-13 18:14:13

Whilst I think it's nice that we get to learn a bit about the outside lives on the BESH through being FB buddies, it does make it difficult when they graduate. I think it really brings home the feelings of being left behind.

EuroShaggleton Mon 11-Mar-13 18:18:44

Drizz not too bad. Still not managing to do much in the way of work though...

Muchos boob prodding suggests that my prog levels are dropping. They normally stop being sore a day or two before my period comes and they are 90% of the way there now. They haven't felt this "normal" since before I started the fanny candles on 30 Jan after EC. Please please please let the bleed come and the worst be over before I have 6 straight days of client meetings sandwiched between two days of long haul flights. I have more acu on Weds to try to prod things in the right direction.

P&P and home made biscuits sounds awesome. Can I pop over?

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Mar-13 18:22:41

I like knowing more about ESH, old & new.

Please don't leave Dor

I've just eaten a big curry. We booked our holiday on Saturday so I have 7 weeks to lose 9lb. This is unlikely to happen in reality. I'll simply breath in for a fortnight smile

EuroShaggleton Mon 11-Mar-13 18:25:50

Bugs I'm all for breathing in, but if you do want to lose a few pounds, I highly recommend weightlossresources. It's a calorie counting site. I think it is much better than myfitnesspal (although it's not free, unfortunately). I can easily lose 1lb a week that way if I put my mind to it.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Mar-13 18:32:53

I'm not really into calorie counting. I'll just eat more mindfully (not stuff my face, less rubbish) and walk the dogs more. This weather doesn't help at all though.

EuroShaggleton Mon 11-Mar-13 18:35:36

That works too. smile

I find I need the discipline of entering what I eat into a website otherwise I "forget" how much I am packing away.

I could do with doing it again now. I was still carrying half a stone from last summer's cancelled IVF debacle when I got pg and the put on a couple of pounds in the month that I was. But I just can't face life without chocolate at the moment.

TWinklyLittleStar Mon 11-Mar-13 18:38:13

Very reasonable euro

bugs I reckon I could shift a stone before going on holiday in 11 weeks if I put my mind to it. This last week and a half hasn't helped though - I've had parents visiting, then visited my sister, then visited HWCA's old uni friends. Eating eating eating, and no exercise. Zumba tonight I think.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Mar-13 18:42:33

I used to be 10st 7. (10 years ago mind you) Now I'm 11st9. I'm normally 11st 4 so neeeeeeeeeeeed to lose the surplus. My clothes are all snug.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 11-Mar-13 18:42:44

Of course euro. Would love to be of service. Especially as I am going on holiday in 10 days and could do with not acquiring more flab - loosing any at this point seems pointless wink. Droid invasion expected over the weekend though so all the progesteron bloat will disappear too.

Why o why has spring been replaced by nasty weather already angry

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 11-Mar-13 18:45:20

Btw clothes feeling snug - check - but nice new expensive clothes are not yet snug, so all is good. And after hols in APRIL I'll do crazy exercise again or get diffed I lost loads that one month of it

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Mar-13 18:53:36

Oh god. According to Google the place we are going is the 'St Tropez' of Turkey.

I don't do chic. Oh crap. Help!

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 11-Mar-13 18:55:54

I WANT ONE frank (only just clicked on your link!)

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 11-Mar-13 18:56:37

Go shopping with my SiL bugs. You'll be poor but stylish.
we might be having drinks in That Hotel of Lost in Translation

RaspberrySnowCone Mon 11-Mar-13 18:57:49

bugs I've had a complete turn about with diets, it sounds awful when I write down what we don't eat but we also have lots of very lurverly food and its also coupled with lots of exercise but basically it's pretty much paleo diet, loads of meat, veg, bit of fruit, nuts etc. no processsed, man made food, no potatoes, pasta, rice, bread etc although we do have potatoes occasionally and we do eat stinky cheese/rivitas smile and Greek yoghurt. It's been a number of small changes one by one over 6 months though, tis not a quick and easy change.

RaspberrySnowCone Mon 11-Mar-13 19:00:09

However, droid arrived today so I've bought a maahoosive aero bar to eat allllll to myself

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Mar-13 19:02:17

You see I know I should do all that Rasp but I simply can't be bothered <lazy>.

I'm a size 10-12 but carry all my weight on my very wobbly bottom & thighs that are bigger from years of horse riding. I've spent hours in gyms and loved it but it took over my life. I'm an all or nothing sorta girl.

TWinklyLittleStar Mon 11-Mar-13 19:02:36

This month's droid was so painful and draining that I didn't have the energy to eat, which I suppose was a bonus hmm

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Mar-13 19:03:47

No energy to eat? <faints>

Whats that then?!

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Mar-13 19:04:12

There is a baby monkey on Animal Planet. I want one.

TWinklyLittleStar Mon 11-Mar-13 19:05:26

I know, its obvious to see by looking at me that its not something that happens very often! I did feel fucking horrendous this time round. All better and greedy again now!

RaspberrySnowCone Mon 11-Mar-13 19:10:08

God all I want to do when droid arrives is eat!

If MATV wasn't into diet/nutrition like he is there is no way if have done it on my own. I'm just a sheep really smile

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 11-Mar-13 19:11:00

<the ball at Netherfield grin >

I am a size 12/14 and think I look well although I have enormous thighs (rowing, running, cycling, not a good combo). I am eating biscuits (found some I made over the weekend) and drinking tea. Dinner is overrated...

TWinklyLittleStar Mon 11-Mar-13 19:11:30

HWCA is, shall we say, a big fan of our lovely sofa smile and I too am a bit of a sheep.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Mar-13 19:15:11

GP likes fitness and has re-joined a gym recently. Its just hard when the dogs need walking to fit in gym visits etc.

I walk 3-4 miles every morning up a big hill into the woods with them though so I'm quite fit.

TWinklyLittleStar Mon 11-Mar-13 19:19:16

HWCA's friends have dogs, and they didn't get walked the whole time we were there. I have to say, I rather seriously Judge that, even though I know Judging is the MN number 1 crime. (I won't even start on how spoilt their kid is...)

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Mar-13 19:22:22

Twinks come into my camp. I detest few things in life. Lazy fucking dog owners that don't walk them and / or pick up their shit is one of things I detest.

My brother & his wife have a dog. Its never walked and surprise surprise is a little sod. Stick a kid in a room for 8 hours a day without stimulation and see how 'good' it is!!

<gets off soap box>

JethroTull Mon 11-Mar-13 19:22:41

<wills on Frank's follicles>

Eating is a necessity. And at certain points in one's life it is more necessary than others. No one should feel guilty for stuffing their face.

The graduate BESH thing is a tough one. There is a fine line between being supportive & sounding like a smug differ. I am erring on the side of caution and when in doubt, saying nothing at all. But I lurk every day and am under no illusions of the possibilities that we all face after getting that elusive BFP.

JethroTull Mon 11-Mar-13 19:23:43

I'm with you in the judging non walking dog owners btw.

TWinklyLittleStar Mon 11-Mar-13 19:24:03

<joins bugs on soap box>

When I was 17 and got home at 4am drunk from clubbing, I still got up at 7 to take my lovely lady for her morning walk. Twice daily, every day, without fail, whatever the weather - except the day when it was raining so hard the dog refused to go out grin

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Mar-13 19:25:43

Jeth the pics of your dog over the weekend made me chuckle smile

RaspberrySnowCone Mon 11-Mar-13 19:26:45

Mmmmm I'd love to have a dog just so we could walk it although the thought of a six am start to walk it before work in the rain and dark makes my heart sink a bit. Hence we do not own a doggie. We are out of the house for about 9 hrs a day too, I wouldn't want a dog to be left alone that long.

JethroTull Mon 11-Mar-13 19:28:41

Rasp SSG & I were cleaning up dog sick last night & a kitchen floor covered in poo this morning. I was wondering why we got a dog then!

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Mon 11-Mar-13 19:30:29

Emergency Cute Stuff never fails to make me smile. Like this.
Their Twitter handle is @EmergencyPuppy.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 11-Mar-13 19:31:24

Mr Collins: My reasons for marrying grin
I love and hate him in equal measures.
Ignoring exercise and dog talk for now...

The reason the biscuits were still here because there were stray pumpkin seeds in them hmm

TWinklyLittleStar Mon 11-Mar-13 19:32:57

jeff all the sick and poo will be good practice for you grin

I pulled my nephew's nappy by the waistband the other day to see if he had poo'd. He had, right up to the top of his nappy so I got shit all over my hand. Vom.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Mar-13 19:34:28

Frank - Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

I'm on twitter but don't tweet and have deleted the app from my shit phone. No real use really is it having an account!

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 11-Mar-13 19:39:43

Twink fatal error...

I have no opinion on sick or dogs. I am happy to leave that discussion to you...

RaspberrySnowCone Mon 11-Mar-13 19:53:37

Oh god it's time to panick time again. Watching a programme about antibiotics. WE'RE ALL DOOMED!!!! Doomed I tell thee. <wafts hanky to brow, faints into Mr Darcy's arms>

FriendofDorothy Mon 11-Mar-13 20:10:34

I have been lying in the bath stewing on this because it made me upset so I just want to say it and get it over with.

When popping onto the BESH thread since having The Little Mister I have been oh so very careful about what I have and haven't said. I remember too well what it felt like to see smug differs and want to punch them in the face just for mentioning their precious baybee.

What is hard though is to ask me not be be proud and delighted about my boy on a totally different forum. I am so, so conscious (see my comment on my pic on MD if you aren't clear on my thoughts on this one) every time I post something that I run the risk of picking a scab for one of my friends, but I also have family and friends who live in t USA, South America, Europe and mainland England who want to know and want to see.

I am 100% not a smug differ but I am totally proud of my boy and that is different.

I am so sorry if that is painful. I so remember it and I take nothing for granted. The ESH have bee massively supportive over the years and I would hate to have to leave on bad terms.

So, at this point I want to move on.

Thanks (feels a bit like I have just ended a Party Political Broadcast or something!)

EuroShaggleton Mon 11-Mar-13 20:26:50

Rasp that sounds interesting. One of my bugbears is the increased use of prophylactic antibiotics. I was given them for my HSG and EC (didn't take either - would happily have taken antibiotics if I had developed an infection but I'm unconvinced by plonking them in your system "just in case"). A friend was recently told her baby had to take them to be catheterised for some tests. He kept vomming them up so hadn't had them when she turned up at the appointment so they refused to do the procedure. She's a paeds dr at the same hospital and has catheterised many children there herself. New procedure introduced in the last couple of months while she was on mat leave, apparently.

FinallyMrsFC Mon 11-Mar-13 20:37:51

<peeps in> I thought of you all yesterday. Particularly you rie. I did post one Mothers Day related status but it was more gushy about the FC than my children.

I thought all the pictures of flowers and cards and breakfasts were more than nauseating, if I'm honest.

I don't post in here often, but I'm a true ESH, and I think of you all loads. north and euro, I think you are both braver than Brave McBrave.

<Leaves behind some unfinished needlepoint and trips over empire line dress>

RaspberrySnowCone Mon 11-Mar-13 20:41:44

I used to be put on antibiotics from Oct-Feb every year for about 5 years because drs were worried about me getting chest infections during the cold snaps! I then moved consultant and he stopped it. I did get infections but not as many as they thought they were preventing.

I was also surprised at the amount of antibiotics they use with animals and how that ends up affecting our immunity too. MATV has just advised that this is why his dad (farmer) wont really eat chicken, because of all animals they tend to be pumped full of all sorts because they are always ill. confused

FinallyMrsFC Mon 11-Mar-13 20:42:25

I meant to blush after admitting my status was more about the FC!

RaspberrySnowCone Mon 11-Mar-13 20:42:58


FinallyMrsFC Mon 11-Mar-13 20:50:10

The FC. My Bloke. The Fat Controller.

FriendofDorothy Mon 11-Mar-13 20:52:30

I thought you were referring to a Fertility Clinic!

FinallyMrsFC Mon 11-Mar-13 21:03:35

Yeah. That used to happen a lot. Thing was, he was always the FC, even before I was an ESH. It was his job title once too.

FriendofDorothy have you thought about setting up a group for just family & close friends? I've done that, and I post lots of my tedious to anyone but me pictures in there.

FriendofDorothy Mon 11-Mar-13 21:05:51

No I haven't thought about that.

RaspberrySnowCone Mon 11-Mar-13 21:23:08

Ahh I thought you meant fertility clinic too smile he had a job as a Fat Controller? smile amazing, I always wanted to work on Thomas the tank engine serving tea to passengers.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 11-Mar-13 23:42:04

Yo FC!111!!!1! Lovely if you to pop in!!1!1! Blimey. Thank you for your kind words. Weird to think a lot of you lurk from time to time. It's even nicer when you post xxx

Northey Tue 12-Mar-13 06:00:32

I always thought your name stood for Mrs Father Christmas!

RaspberrySnowCone Tue 12-Mar-13 07:48:32

BESH I have been struck down with a fever and have suffered most awfully during the night. Please send for the doctor immediately. Bring also some towels to mop my sweaty feverish brow cuz I'm sweating like a bitch. Urghhhh, got so much to do at work, there is just no way I can get in sad

EuroShaggleton Tue 12-Mar-13 09:58:30

Oh yuk, rasp.

I shall send for the physician immediately.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 12-Mar-13 10:00:48

Has she reached the crisis yet? Shall we bleed her? Send for the leeches!

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 12-Mar-13 10:10:14

My Drucks Bucket is arriving today.

EuroShaggleton Tue 12-Mar-13 10:24:21

I wonder if you will get a natty little purple carrier like I did, Rie. I'm not sure where mine is. It is still in hiding after my freak out when it arrived....

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 12-Mar-13 10:27:38

I'm too tired to freak out I think.

RaspberrySnowCone Tue 12-Mar-13 10:38:37

Buckets with drucks! How exciting hmm I love that whenever IVF gets mentioned around me people's response is 'how exciting'. Hmmmm really friggin exciting. Traumatic, invasive, emotional procedure that might not even work. Yes it's very exciting.

I am still ill and as a result even bitterererer. One consolation is that my boss seems to have been struck down with the same bug and is off sick too so I don't feel quite so guilty smile

Muser Tue 12-Mar-13 10:50:10

<emerges from shrubbery>

I too lurk from time to time to see how the lovely ESH are getting on. But I tend not to post anything as lots of you I don't know and it is hard to think of something to say that doesn't just sound patronising and shit, or platitudey

Ariel, I am bursting with positive thoughts for your big score of drucks. And I am shaking a fist at the Internet for continued shitness being handed to Euro and other fine ESH. It is so fucking unfair.

Also, loving the Austen theme. Can I remind you all that the best Austen adaptation to ever hit the big screen is Clueless. Truth.

EuroShaggleton Tue 12-Mar-13 10:53:20

muser are you daring to suggest that the Colin Firth P&P is not the superior adaptation? <Clutches pearls>

If you would like to stay out of the shubbery, find and complete the BESHtionnaire and join us....

Muser Tue 12-Mar-13 10:56:24

Big screen! Firth is small screen and clearly wins for that medium, this I cannot argue.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 12-Mar-13 11:01:12

Muse doesn't need to join us from what I've heard. Hello old bean grin. Or should l say "Like! HeLLO????"

EuroShaggleton Tue 12-Mar-13 11:29:06

Ah, is Muse an old skool ESH?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 12-Mar-13 11:30:03

She is wel old skool innit.

Muser Tue 12-Mar-13 12:36:01

I am old skool, my Beshtionairre will be gathering cobwebs somewhere round here.

evilgiraffe Tue 12-Mar-13 12:47:01

First appointment after referral has been and gone. Consultant was very pleasant, student doctor was adorable and like a rabbit in the headlights (I feel so old). I have been referred for a laparoscopy to check out and possibly remove the cyst and dilated tube, which should hopefully happen in mid June. Waiting list for IVF after that is a couple of months, so it's all slowly coming together...

EuroShaggleton Tue 12-Mar-13 12:48:49

In that case I am terribly sorry to have imposed, m'lady. wink

Draf that all sounds promising. And the time frame is reasonable.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 12-Mar-13 12:52:55


I was up early speshally. 7 to 12.30 they said, with almost all deliveries being "on the early side".

TWinklyLittleStar Tue 12-Mar-13 13:13:19

Snow related delay? But not so much round your way, where are they coming from?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 12-Mar-13 13:24:21

No idea! And there is no snow.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 12-Mar-13 14:03:29

Oh. Holy. Jesus.

I just phoned to complain. Apparently I cannot read a calendar. It's tomorrow, not today blushblushblush

Told you I was an utter fuckwit. How on earth am I going to cope with stabbing? I'm not thick - I have a 2:1 degree from a RG university <repeats to self>

EuroShaggleton Tue 12-Mar-13 14:11:55

Heh. Brilliant. can you give Mr Rie your injecting schedule so he can check up on you? wink

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 12-Mar-13 14:21:04

If you knew him, you wouldn't dare suggest that smile

The man can take an engine apart and put it together again, lecture in pelagic biology, chart a course for crossing the Atlantic, wire in complicated electronics and so on, but in so many ways is bafflingly stupid.

Which coming from me is a bit rich.

RaspberrySnowCone Tue 12-Mar-13 14:22:28

deep breath Rie calm yourself. You will be fine with the stabbing, it'll all be fine once the drucks arrive.

It's very quiet around here. I've been napping intermittently and now need more chocolate but we only have 90% cocoa in the house and I need proper milk chocolate sugar fat cow rush chocolate, not smug antioxidant containing chocolate.

I'm feeling strangely inclined to watch OBEM on 4oD. That's a bad idea isn't it. Did anyone watch the last series? Are there any BESH type grads who would fill me with positivity?

EuroShaggleton Tue 12-Mar-13 14:30:09

Rasp I went through a stage of watching OBEM with my laptop on my lab, hoping my lady bits would catch on to what they were supposed to be doing confused. It didn't work.

Rie in that case my love, you are fvked. wink

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 12-Mar-13 14:51:41

I need proper milk chocolate sugar fat cow rush chocolate, not smug antioxidant containing chocolate.

Great quote. I don't like worthy chocolate either. Give me Cadbury's any day.

RaspberrySnowCone Tue 12-Mar-13 15:09:06

Don't get me wrong, I like dark chocolate, not for the smug factor so much as it doesn't make me feel sick like cadbury's does. But as I'm not feeling well I just want cadbury's. Im stuck though because MATV is without phone at the moment as he's swapping phones and vodafone have fucked up his sim/number so he doesn't have one. Do we think it acceptable to ring him at work and request that he bring me chocolate home?

Watching OBEM - what happened next and have just had greek yoghurt with oats, honey and bluberries. Tis not chocolate sad

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Tue 12-Mar-13 20:40:51

Of course you can ask for chocolate over a work phone. Duh! Did you?

Rie you make me smile. You'll be fine with the drucks. I am sure of it (I was a bit slapdash and crap the last cancelled cycle because I got blasé about it) but just tick them off a list or set your alarm clock.

The firth-adaptation is clearly the best ever. I got to that speech last night. The one with:
should I rejoice in relations who's position in life is so decidedly below my own?
smile more to come tomorrow. SB has put a tv ban in place as he's working but wants to be near me hmm

Bessie123 Tue 12-Mar-13 21:48:31

euro if it helps, all of us on the first BESH threads ended up with baybees, I think except one sad. A few of us now have 2...

<still lurking a little bit>

EuroShaggleton Tue 12-Mar-13 21:53:50

At the end of the first disk, drizz? Brilliant.

Thanks Bessie. That is encouraging. Bizarrely, I feel more optimistic about ttc now than I have for a while. After trying Letrozole, IUI, the old fashioned way (lots) and a disastrous encounter with downregging, we've found something that works for us. And it actually worked. The embryo was a duffer, but the method seems to be sound for us. So tomorrow we will be calling the clinic to see when we can come in to discuss the next cycle. smile

TWinklyLittleStar Tue 12-Mar-13 21:56:01

I have my fingers crossed for you euro

rie am sure you'll be fine with the drugs

I have had a mini bar of Green & Blacks 70%. It was good, but it is an entirely different foodstuff to dairy milk. Yum.

evilgiraffe Tue 12-Mar-13 22:03:26

Thanks, euro, it is indeed quite promising and nice to feel like progress is being made (albeit slowly). And hurrah for you feeling positive about TTC too, having a method that can work is a huge thing smile

Despite relatively good news, it's all a bit stressful - HOTB and I are shattered and going to sleep already. Goodnight all!

TWinklyLittleStar Tue 12-Mar-13 22:06:33

Night night draf, hope you sleep well despite the stress, and it is stressful, even though it is positive too.

TWinklyLittleStar Tue 12-Mar-13 22:08:29

Did anyone see today that kerry bloody katona has gone on a "getting pregnant" holiday with her latest poor choice of a boyfriend? Bet she does get diffed too angry

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 12-Mar-13 22:08:38

Night night

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 12-Mar-13 22:09:22

Why oh why oh why would you publicise that?

TWinklyLittleStar Tue 12-Mar-13 22:11:12

Me or her? Me - because I wanted to share the rage. Her - because she is a washed up, talentless fame addict who has nothing more to offer than her car crash personal life, I suppose.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 12-Mar-13 22:12:03

No HER you wally! I agree with every word. She's a deeply sad individual.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 12-Mar-13 22:13:33

What's the betting if she doesn't get diffed in weeks there will be numerous "My Infertility Agony" articles in Take A Break.

TWinklyLittleStar Tue 12-Mar-13 22:15:23

No bookie would offer you odds on that, its a dead cert.

I bloody love Take A Break, nothing like a read through it to make me feel much better about my own life.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 12-Mar-13 22:17:43

My boyfriend's MUM fathered my septuplets.

They found a frog in my pancreas

My neighbour is the love child of Pol Pot.

TWinklyLittleStar Tue 12-Mar-13 22:20:59

rie you're not one of Charlie's Angels at all, you're a Take A Break journo! grin (and I did actually laugh out loud at those)

EuroShaggleton Tue 12-Mar-13 22:21:47

Rie, you missed your vocation.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 12-Mar-13 22:23:39

Maybe we should have a Take A Break feem.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 13-Mar-13 11:21:04

So the Drucks have arrived. Considering whether to freak out, though I think I got all that out of my system yesterday when I threw a fit in Tesco's car park hmm

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 13-Mar-13 11:36:07

Deep breaths Rie, you'll be fine.

Well folks, my body is definitely playing silly buggers this cycle. Last night I started spotting (CD 19) which has continued off and on this morning. My scan earlier today showed my endometrium had shrunk slightly and my follicle has shrunk by 2.5mm since Monday hmm Nurse thinks the odds are they will cancel this cycle <sigh>

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 13-Mar-13 11:41:22


Stooopid endometrium.

Sorry Norf.

Svanhvitr Wed 13-Mar-13 11:46:27

<sidles in nervously>

Hi, I was pulled into this thread by the title, being both an Austen lover and in possession of a ticking biological clock. Can I just ask - what is a 'differ'?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 13-Mar-13 11:53:02

A preggo.

There is a lot of such jargon. You are welcome to come and find out what it all means if a) you are over 30 b) you are slightly bitter and ill humoured yet have a heart of gold c) you seek and find and fill in the BESHtionnaire so we can peruse your credentials <adjusts spectacles>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 13-Mar-13 11:53:28

A "differ" is someone who gets pregnant quickly and with no drama.

You are welcome to join our merry group on the proviso that you are TTC your first child and experiencing difficulties, everyone in here has been hard at it (fnar fnar) for at least a year without success, many of us longer.

If you are interested in joining, seek out the BESHtionnaire from a previous BESH thread and let us see your answers smile

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 13-Mar-13 11:54:25

X-posts with Rie.

BTW lovely, you did it again - you called me Norf grin

Svanhvitr Wed 13-Mar-13 11:56:19

Ah ok, thanks Ariel. I fulfil your first two criteria for sure smile What's the BESHtionnaire then?

Svanhvitr Wed 13-Mar-13 11:56:57

X-post, thanks Frankelly

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 13-Mar-13 11:59:14

FUCKIT! I'm so sorry blushblushblush

I'll just repeat, I mix up people's names in RL, it's nothing personal and I definitely know the difference between you. Waaaaaaaah!

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 13-Mar-13 12:17:31

<brushes Rie's hair reassuringly a la Bennett sisters>

evilgiraffe Wed 13-Mar-13 13:29:14

Today I have been looking at videos of laparoscopic procedures - forewarned is forearmed, etc. Do you think if I ask they'll let me see my own video? Or is that proper weird? I'm rather fascinated by the whole thing. Also, bets on what my dermoid cyst is made of? If there aren't teeth I will feel short changed...

evilgiraffe Wed 13-Mar-13 13:31:03

Also, how delightful to have a new acquaintance! I look forward to examining your credentials, svan smile

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 13-Mar-13 13:34:10

Oooh I love looking at screens of my innards!

When I was in NZ and had an abscess on my leg lanced, I watched the whole thing! until I passed out

evilgiraffe Wed 13-Mar-13 13:38:12

This is the problem with general anaesthetic, though - I won't be able to see! <wails>

EuroShaggleton Wed 13-Mar-13 13:42:37

rie tell us about the Tesco car park freak out....

Frank how disappointing. Does it mean they got the drug dose wrong this time? <strokes hair>

Svan the BESHtionnaire is a list of questions of which nobody can remember the relevance that you are required to answer so we can judge get to know you.

Motherfuck this hurts today. I think I am developing tourettes. I've taken codeine for the first time in my life and it has taken the edge off but not completely beaten it into submission. I've been to acu, picked up my laptop from the office and am now at home with chocolate and a hot water bottle.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 13-Mar-13 13:49:56

Glad you're going home, Euro. My mum told me at when I was about 12 after I'd seen someone in a soap apparently having a mc that she had miscarried at about 14 weeks before any of us were born. I asked "did it hurt?" She laughed grimly and said "You're too young to know." Look after yourself and keep quaffing the drugs.

Well, inspired by the bra fitting MN ladies, I went to M&S to pick up some nice pretty ones. I've always had issues with body hatred, but thought this time it would be different. Anyway I picked out the sizes they had suggested and tripped off to the fitting rooms and was aghast. The lighting! The 360 degree mirrors! I saw my horrid wonky asymmetric back for the first time in years and realised how hideous I looked. And the bras, needless to state, looked awful, fitted awfully, didn't do anything for me etc etc etc. So I went and got some different sizes. They looked shit as well. So I didn't buy anything.

I walked back to Tesco's car park getting more and more wound up about how crap my life is and how rubbish and ugly and pointless I am and saw MrRie waiting at the car and of course he thought I was being stupid so I exploded into a fit of rage and self pity and tears.

The End.

EuroShaggleton Wed 13-Mar-13 14:01:07

<Clutches Rie to unmatronly buzzwams> Changing room lighting and 360 mirrors are fucking awful. I don't get why shops don't understand that we will buy more if they put some flattering lighting in the changing rooms. It's stupidly counterproductive to put ugly strip lighting in there that makes everyone look awful.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 13-Mar-13 14:02:44

angry on your behalf Rie. I share your bra-pain, it can be a nightmare to find decent bras for, er, less ample cleavages. I'm more and more of the opinion that its better to spend more money on fewer items and get stuff that fits properly.

If its any comfort, I've always found M&S on the crap side for bra measuring.

Euro, the nurse said it probably was the drop in drucks that did for me. I'm guessing that my "lovely endometrium" got fed up of waiting around for an egglet and has started to disintegrate.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 13-Mar-13 14:08:02

And....(and I don't want to offend anyone here) the last few years, along with vanity sizing have come vanity mirrors. Someone in retail told me this. They make the mirrors to make bigger people look slimmer. Of course, this leaves the skinny people looking skeletal and looking aghast at their Belsen-like physique from which clothes (vanity sized) are just gaping and swimming off. It drives me wild with fury. M&S and Monsoon are the worst culprits - I tried on a strapless size 8 in Monsoon for my sisters wedding and, firstly the mirror emphasised all the bony bits and secondly the "size 8" just slipped straight down off my pitiful supposedly womanly curves. It made me cry that time as well sad.

No wonder I live in jeans and hoodies.

Frank (Norf wink), oh I wasn't being measured. I couldn't bear the humiliation!

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 13-Mar-13 14:56:14

Clinic just called, oestrogen levels have fallen through the floor so they're cancelling the cycle. I've got to wait for droid to show up of its own accord then we'll restart cycle 3 (take 2).

EuroShaggleton Wed 13-Mar-13 15:27:16

I hadn't noticed the vanity mirrors. <worried I'm actually fatter than I thought>

How vexing frank.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 13-Mar-13 15:28:51

I'm told it's a Thing.

Frank, that IS vexatious in the extreme sad

Svanhvitr Wed 13-Mar-13 15:37:05

evil and Euro thank you, but I found the BESHtionnaire and I don't fit your criteria I'm afraid. I am most definitely a BESH but quite happy about it (atm anyway!)

HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 13-Mar-13 15:40:02

I am 3 stone heavier than I was in my early 20s yet I am still a size 14.

I'm so sorry you're suffering with the physical euro. Have you considered adding ibuprofen to the mix? I hope the needles/rest/hot water ease your symptoms.

Sorry to hear of your endometrial woes Frank. I imagine its incredibly frustrating.

Hope you get on ok with the drucks rierie.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 13-Mar-13 15:47:11

Scan you seem like a good egg smile.

The BESHtionnaire was something dreamed up years ago. Its significance is not important. I for example, like campingand dislike gin. I know! Shocking!

Svanhvitr Wed 13-Mar-13 15:54:41

Oh I love camping AND gin, I just don't have any babies and am not trying to grin Making people find the BESHtionnaire for themselves is a good idea though, weeds out those incapable of using a search function.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 13-Mar-13 15:59:30

Zactly that! We hold no truck with stupid people round these parts.

Ah well, if you change your mind....

EuroShaggleton Wed 13-Mar-13 16:09:00

Ah, I see Svan.

faif I was using nurofen yesterday but someone on another fred mentioned that it is not great as it can slow down the cramps when actually you need to cramp to shift everything, so I'm sticking with paracetemol/codeine for the time being.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Wed 13-Mar-13 17:28:55

That someone was me smile . But I did also say that if stuff got BAD you can add it in, just to cope with the terrible bit euro.

I am incredibly tired and YET again thinking I am diffed. After nearly three years (and in a cancelled cycle) I should really know the drill, shouldn't I? And SB is abroad for a few days, so no one here to tell me I am stupid.

On that happy not. I am two ACCHUAL (as in on the same clothes I still have) sizes smaller than I was in my early twenties and I weight the same...

evilgiraffe Wed 13-Mar-13 17:46:19

Fair enough, svan, nice to meet you all the same!

Droid is here, the fucker, and I'm all achey. I've also caught my wedding ring on the doorframe and made a big gash in it and loosened the stone in my engagement ring too, arrrrgh. Trip to the jewellers tomorrow I think...

HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 13-Mar-13 17:47:29

Ah, fairy snuff euro. If the co-codamol isn't good enough, it might be worth tapping up your GP for stronger codiene. Luff you <hair strokes>

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 13-Mar-13 18:53:38

Someone who shall remain nameless has just told me she is "above arguing with a BESHite".

I wonder what she means by that?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 13-Mar-13 18:58:01

Who? Who? <daggers>

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 13-Mar-13 18:59:45

No matter who or what thread.

I'd just be interested to know what other people think of the comment.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 13-Mar-13 19:04:21

I presume they see us as a quiche. I think people think we are scary old harridans, I've invited people to join us on other threads and they've been very cagey in their replies.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 13-Mar-13 19:05:14

I got all sensitive about was it because I iz barren. I wasn't so mental as to say it though.

TWinklyLittleStar Wed 13-Mar-13 19:19:01

She was just trying to wind you up. Sad woman that she is, she bothered to search your posting history to find a stick to beat you with. Don't worry about it.

RaspberrySnowCone Wed 13-Mar-13 19:36:33

I wouldn't worry about it, people throw all sorts of shite around when they are hidden away behind their keyboard wearing their warrior outfit smile

HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 13-Mar-13 19:41:31

Just a cheap shot rie. Not a naice poster. <falls in luff with ginhag a little bit>

TWinklyLittleStar Wed 13-Mar-13 19:42:52

<throws an Icelandic rock climbing wolf fish at mean woman on rie's behalf>

euro sorry it's so painful sad

frank that is rubbish about your cancelled cycle, sorry.

draf ouch for droidy pain and for catching your ring.

svan twas nice to have you pop in!

rasp how are you feeling today?

I can walk after yesterday's kettlebells class. But not well smile

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 13-Mar-13 19:46:00

How come everyone else knows who this poster is/where it happened???

TWinklyLittleStar Wed 13-Mar-13 19:50:41

Cos I copied and pasted what rie wrote into the search box smile

HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 13-Mar-13 19:50:50

No idea I didn't search for 'beshite' on today's date, oh no

TWink I'm watching that too! smile

I've been out tramping the city country lanes and dallying with wanton gypsies. How is everyone?

Draf - I got quite excited when I was told I had a dermoid cyst. I named it Humperdinck and secretly sort of hoped it did have teeth. I liked that my ova were so independently spirited as to go it alone. I was rather despondent on discovering it was a boring old fibroid. hmm

I have my lap&dye pre-op appointment next week where I'll find out if 2 months of basically starving myself have resulted in any weight loss. I'm the same dress size as I was 5 years ago when I got married, but 2 stone heavier. Go figure.

Does anyone here have progesterone deficiency? I'm becoming more and more convinced I have it and should step away from dr google

Hope the painkillers and chocolate are helping, Euro xx

Rie - I totally feel your bra-shopping induced freak out. I'm the other end of the body spectrum but just as full of self-loathing when confronted with mirrors. Stupid bloody culture/society/nonsense.. Lets have a revolution!
<lobs needlework out of window, jabs patriarchy in the eye with knitting needles, throws grand piano at fashion industry>

TWinklyLittleStar Wed 13-Mar-13 19:58:46

faify I could only half watch it as I have the weakest stomach in the world and can literally get seasick through the power of suggestion. That was one bug-ugly fish!

EuroShaggleton Wed 13-Mar-13 20:12:01

Thanks drizz. I could barely remember my own name on the codeine... It had quite an effect on me. The pain has eased a bit now, so I'm back to paracetemol for the moment.

Amazing on the size. What did you do to achieve that?

Draf I always find I break things/catch things on door handles around droid time. My mum was the same - really clumsy. Our crockery was a right mish mash because she used to smash it washing up. I find I can't reverse park then either. It's a spatial awareness thing.

Rie I shall check out the comment in a mo but I am sure it was because we are intelligent women who can hold our own in a debate rather than because we iz barrenz. <Firm>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 13-Mar-13 20:24:01

I waded in blush. She was a moron <troo fact>

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Wed 13-Mar-13 20:24:40

Have some darcy straight from the lake to fetch your hot water bottle and massage your feet, euro.

<cannot search well but she's a cow, aries >

TWinklyLittleStar Wed 13-Mar-13 20:26:07

Apparently that was exactly what she meant euro. I'm klutzy around droid time, but no more than the rest of the time. HWCA bought me a tommee tippee for my bedside water as I knock it over so often blush

EuroShaggleton Wed 13-Mar-13 20:42:04

Which fred? I couldn't find it.

Twink that sounds brilliant. I should do that too.

RaspberrySnowCone Wed 13-Mar-13 20:58:04

I wanna know the thread too! I couldn't find it by searching BESHite smile

I did write and answer earlier on the pole dancing for kids thread but thought I'd get flamed whatever I said to deleted it.

Twink glad to hear the kettle bell workout was good! I'm thinking about getting some, they look effective. Just can't arsed sometimes even if I do think people are dicks.

I been watching the Oscar pistorious thing on BBC3. I'm still no clearer whether he did it but I am clear that rick watshisface is a tit and it's a really badly made film. My fault for watching summit on BBC3 I suppose.

TWinklyLittleStar Wed 13-Mar-13 21:00:53
ginhag Wed 13-Mar-13 21:09:09

Um. Yo yo and fuckin' YO.

(Terribly Austin innit)

Ariel. I came in cos I luffs you innit.

You may have some terribly unexpected new recruits. Possibly.

Keep up the swearing, booze, and random violence chaps. This is The Way of The ESH <mystic> <pissed>

TWinklyLittleStar Wed 13-Mar-13 21:10:43

<passes gin 2 paracetamol and water in a tommee tippee for the morning>

ginhag Wed 13-Mar-13 21:12:04

Cheers twinks. I have a terrifying alcohol tolerance these days tho, so don't fret smile

RaspberrySnowCone Wed 13-Mar-13 21:12:24

Ahhh i have had a read. Cheap shot really. My money is on having a noob here by morning smile I still don't get the quiche thing either? Why do I have to be a quiche? I do like quiche but I'd much rather omelette. With feta cheese, spinach and Branson baked beans. Nom. Fuck I'm hungry. Just had my tea and a 105g bar of aero. Yes my second in two days sad

Am I over thinking the quiche thing from a food angle too much?

RaspberrySnowCone Wed 13-Mar-13 21:16:34

Paaaahahahahaha x posts wit gin because of stupid crappy internets.

Is anyone else feeling the pressure to be extra witty now because everyone is going to be looking in on this thread. I can't think of anything witty to say hmm <runs to call maid and request best evening dress be brought out>.
I feel ON SHOW!!

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Wed 13-Mar-13 21:19:38

MissTwinky, Do be alarmed on receipt of this letter, as it will contain many repetitions of the sentiment that early this night was so disgusting to you. Do me the honour of being my wife. In other words, thanks for the link

I am not witty, I am not clever, I am very bitter and barren though, that will do for now grin

<waves at all the in-lookers, places a drunken snog on gin, beckons welcoming at the rest of the barrens, go find the beshtionaire and join us>

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Wed 13-Mar-13 21:21:41

On other news SB rang from abroad so I had to quit P&P, but I'm stranded in the Lydia has eloped part, which I find kind of tedious after many repetitions. So the dilemma is sit through it or skip to the final, rather rushed episode?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 13-Mar-13 21:38:02

The Lydia bit is the only thing that annoyed me about the BBC P&P adaptation. They didn't need to drop the sex reference in (along the lines of "when I think what I have done that none of my sisters have, and I'm not even married"). hmm

JethroTull Wed 13-Mar-13 21:44:47

Bloody hell I didn't realise other wimmin actually read our drivell! 'twas indeed a cheap shot Rie & it's not like any of us want to be in this particular quiche (I did have a lovely quiche tother day from posh Waitrose. Spinach & ricotta in case you're interested).

Sorry for pain Euro & for cancelled cycle Frank.

Casserole Wed 13-Mar-13 21:49:42

Fuck OFF readers and lurkers. Unless you have actual first hand experience of this shit, FUCK OFF. Because it's fucking hard enough as it is without doing it in front of an audience.

And if you USE this in other places, to call people out, to draw attention to what they're going through, to try and shame or silence or label or outmanoeuvre them - then shame on you. You can fuck off the furthest and longest and once you're there, FUCK THE FUCKING FUCK OFF AGAIN.

<stomps off smashing things>

Casserole Wed 13-Mar-13 21:50:31

<stops smashing stuff long enough to wrap Euro in something warm and slightly narcotic>

<shakes fists threateningly all around>

<fucks off>

evilgiraffe Wed 13-Mar-13 22:05:38

Well said, Cass. I'm a bit behind the times, only just gone and read that thread - I don't think being called a BESHite in that manner is anything other than distinctly unpleasant.

It makes me very sad and quite angry to think people are reading about all our shit and laughing at us. Either fuck right off or come and join us, but laughing behind our backs is teenage-unpleasant, at best.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 13-Mar-13 22:14:24

Oh dear <unhappy>

She pm'ed me actually. It was quite a naice message. She's from another Conception thread and is 41. Anyway...the self mockery at one's own silliness is fine. Snobbishness is not. In my opinion.

Anyway, thanks for the support. As you know, I'm a little mental at the moment.

Gin, if it's possible I love you EVEN MORE. You is ace <headbutts>

<slightly scared of new and terrifying Cass>

I have to go to the hossie again tomorrow. More allergy stuff. BOR. RING!

FriendofDorothy Wed 13-Mar-13 22:19:08

I keep reading it as BESHlite which I am sure would be something else entirely.

DolomitesDonkey Thu 14-Mar-13 05:38:50

I always knew mumsnet was home to some very spiteful people who need to get a fucking hobby but that takes it to a new level. sad

Aries I too like hoodies and jeans, but being at the other end of the "vanity spectrum" I look like a 12 year old diesel dyke. Or Perry.

DolomitesDonkey Thu 14-Mar-13 05:45:29

I'm sorry. Having now read the offending thread it seems it was a genuine misunderstanding and she meant no harm and it wasn't any snide play on words. I stand by my spiteful hobby-needers comment though - just not to her.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Thu 14-Mar-13 05:47:33

I think she just phrased it wrong. Actually she's an aspiring BESH and is intimated by us. It's ok rie, ESH have got your back smile

evilgiraffe Thu 14-Mar-13 07:30:07

Much as I'm all for forgiveness, I'm not sure "phrased it wrong" is an excuse here. There's no way that comment would ever have been interpreted as "I am awed by your eloquence and biting wit" - it reads as "I'm better than you, because you're barren, ha ha". It is particularly hurtful because being a BESH has fuck all to do with that thread topic - although barrenness does affect every aspect of your life, you don't need reminding of it, especially not in such an ungentlemanlike manner.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 14-Mar-13 07:35:07

Wot Evil said. Remember it's not about the intention behind the words, it's about how the recipient of the comment feels. Sarcasm can be very difficult to convey in text, hence why I always overuse the wink.

Anyway new day and all that. My Cheltenham betting is ahead for the week so far, I backed a 7/1 winner and 16/1 third on Tuesday and a 25/1 winner yesterday and about 10 losers inbetween grin

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Thu 14-Mar-13 08:36:02

Ah well. I didn't quite know how to take it, which was why I asked her about it. It did need explaining, which she did smile. She follows this thread too. I always find that a bit of a shock - we think of it as our little home, when actually anyone in the world with access to Tinterwebs can read it confused. All is well.

I second the not needing reminding I'm barren though. It's pretty much all I'm thinking about at the moment.

elpth Thu 14-Mar-13 10:02:37

Dear BESH,
I'm a long time reader and lurker and wanted to explain why (following from yday).
I first noticed the BESH because it was in active and I was intrigued. I continued reading because you all sounded like my sort of people (none of that baby d**t nonsense), I was 30 and was ttc and had been for almost a year and was just heading down the tests route. I was just plucking up the courage to post a beshtionaire when I was very lucky and got diffed. Which blatantly counted me out but by then I'd begun to care about you all and how you were doing. I've so nearly posted to join in with congratulations and commiserations but thought it would be too odd. But I have cared about you all everyday and cheered you on. I would imagine that many of the other lurkers are also lurking in the same way and was so horrified you might think we all lurked to be mean or nosy. But if you would rather I fvcked off, I will of course respect that (though will then still be hoping that you all get diffed and live happily ever after or the Austen equivalent).
One of my very best friends has been ttc for five years now and I've also found that I've learnt masses from you all about ac and it's made it easier to talk to her as she doesn't have to explain all the tests and procedures she's been having. We used to talk about it loads before I got diffed and we still do but I am wary of hurting her feelings and again have found following you guys really helpful and try to just follow her lead in when she wants to talk and how much whilst also making sure she has an ear (and wine, gin and choc) as required.
Anyway, sorry for the essay. I think you're all fab (and witty!) and hope you understand a little more why at least I lurk. Particular best wishes to Rie, Frank, Euro and Norf at the moment x

EuroShaggleton Thu 14-Mar-13 10:29:13

Rie I thought the allergy stuff was done and dusted - what is this appointment about?

Frank nice betting.

Argh - there are lurkers??? <hides>

I'm back in the office today, feeling rather better. Still a bit crampy but haven't even bothered with any drugs yet. And the world avalanche from my foof seems to be slowing, which is nice. I keep thinking "surely that can't have been the worst" though?

ConnieLingers Thu 14-Mar-13 12:40:05

Same as Elpth, but I won't be lingering anymore.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 14-Mar-13 12:42:25

elpth that's very sweet of you. I have no objections to lurkers - I suspect we have an awful lot of them! We aren't that scary so do delurk if you feel you'd fit in around here.

I apologise for calling the other poster a moron, it was a heat of the moment comment and goes to demonstrate our strength of feeling for each other.

Anyways <waves> to all the lurkers.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Thu 14-Mar-13 14:14:25

Hello elph, what a lovely message. And hello Connie.

I'm about as scary as a goldfish at the moment.

ConnieLingers Thu 14-Mar-13 14:14:34

I was 'the moron' but I've been called far worse (like 'snob' wink) so don't fret. My insides are diseased, I've had a miscarriage, my libido has fucked off to the Jeremy Kyle show, I have started to grow nipple hair and only read Viz, so I don't think I fit in here. However, I wish you all the very best of luck.

EuroShaggleton Thu 14-Mar-13 14:22:26

What on earth from that list makes you think you don't fit in here???

TWinklyLittleStar Thu 14-Mar-13 14:23:05

That sounds more like you do belong here, given all that!

ConnieLingers Thu 14-Mar-13 14:27:44

I look like Cathy Burke in an empire line dress.

ConnieLingers Thu 14-Mar-13 14:31:22

In my efforts to avoid the common letter 'K' I have inadvertently misspelled Ms. Burke's name (soz, Kathy).

Wotcher. (Still me Bitey, no I am not name changing back)

Was going to be all shouty and smashy too but see there is no need. Pliz to enjoy this instead.

<hands dinner money to newly scary cass>

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Thu 14-Mar-13 14:40:34

Connie I for one would be delighted if you stayed <extends hand graciously like Dame Maggie Smith>. Remember, we are TERRIBLY refined round these parts.

ConnieLingers Thu 14-Mar-13 14:47:30

<begins to curtsey to Ariel but wees a little> This is why I cannot join; I am not refined.

TWinklyLittleStar Thu 14-Mar-13 14:58:34

But Connie, dear lady, I too am coarse and unrefined. And if I didn't pluck my nipple hair I would probably be able to plait it <overshare>

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Thu 14-Mar-13 16:07:16

We are only refrined on the Austen thread. Otherwise, apart from our charm, wit and intelligence we are dead common.

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RaspberrySnowCone Thu 14-Mar-13 17:44:26

Wow I knew there'd be noobs come the morning smile hello, do stay. I don't have nipple hair but am fully accepting of those who do. Probably best to pluck rather than plait though, we are laydees dontchaknow.

rie I too am very conscious of my barreness because it is rather apparent that lots of people seem to be aware and are very careful around me. I suppose it's better than the potential twatty bug innocent comments that could be made.

Glad your feeling a bit better today euro. As shit as going through something like this at work no doubt must be its probably better than sitting at home watching brain rot TV. Does anyone else ever want to hit holly willibooby? She really gets on my nerves and I don't know why?

Where have bugs and norfy gone. xx

<gets distracted by erection on balcony>
* to clarify, not my erection*

RaspberrySnowCone Thu 14-Mar-13 17:45:08

Twatty bug? I meant 'but'

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Thu 14-Mar-13 17:50:24

Who is the pope? I am confused...

Thank you for the lovely message elpht. You can stay lurking and now and again popping in if you want.

Listen here conniemoron that is nearly oxymoron which makes me oddly happy if you can't cope with the fred-feme we can make an exception, bugs is not playing Austen either. And if you've been invited after having a spat with aries you have no excuse, cos clearly you're a goodun.

Anyway, I must get ready for my fourth and final night of the delights of Colin Firth. And I hate whoever put the thought of Lydia referring to sex in that sentence "to think I have done what none of my sisters have, and I the youngest of them all". Clearly I watched it at a young and impressionable and not at all into Those Things age the first time.

Other lurkers, if you fit the basic criteria, please delurk and join. If you don't please delurk and be lovely!

evilgiraffe Thu 14-Mar-13 17:54:19

I have one friend who tries to be nice but actually says all the wrong things. I don't know how to tell her to stop. She said to me the other day that I was "lucky", because a friend of hers has cervical cancer and needs a hysterectomy. Granted, I'm not as unlucky as that poor soul, but it hardly makes my situation "lucky", does it? I shall be charitable and blame it on my friend's new baybee sleep deprivation, but she was just as thoughtless when she was diffed and getting plenty of sleep, so no excuse really...

<waves to lurkers> By all means continue lurking or join us to post on here, but please don't take the piss out of us or mention our unhappy TTC situations unnecessarily on other threads. It's rather unkind, though I suppose it is an occupational hazard given that this is a public board, etc.

RaspberrySnowCone Thu 14-Mar-13 17:54:50

I just shared a picture of FB that was a bit nose rubby of people who blame their gut on their kids. I feel bad now.

Well, not really but I probably should. I share these things for me more than anyone to keep me to my word otherwise I'd be a hypocrite. That's ok right? Those who I'm friends with on t'uther side tell me to shut up if necessary