Excellent Egg Buddies continued! Anyone having IVF/ICSI in Jan, Feb and March 2013 please join us!

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We've run out of room on Karbea's Jan IVF thread and it is too much fun to stop! We're all getting into comfy clothes and enjoying the side effects and surprises (and occasionally some hand holding).

delilahbelle Sun 24-Feb-13 13:48:51

<gets comfy>

Just marking my place smile

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 13:55:02

<hoists jodhpurs firmly over bloated abdomen>

Poor old excluded April ivf-ers grin

I figured we will have filled out another thread by April! I hope they don't feel shunned.

Are you wearing jodhpurs as a fashion statement or are you going riding? smile

Feel really down today, I am assuming this is the hormones talking. Are you feeling up/down, delilah, euro,*dildals*?

delilahbelle Sun 24-Feb-13 14:00:50

I am many feeling nauseous fairy interspersed with the occasional vom. Too physically miserable to think about my mental state, although it is mainly full of dread about work tomorrow. My room is miles from the nearest toilet if I need to chunder.

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 14:01:42

They are the only thing stretchy enough and warm enough to fit! I am off riding during ivf <glares balefully at clinic> If ivf fails I am buying a horse though. Or at least investigating getting a share or loan thing going.

oh poor you! I am nowhere near as bad, just a general low level queasiness which ramps up when I wake up or when I'm tired.

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 14:02:18

I mean I am not allowed, not that I have gone off in order to ride. You know what I mean.

delilahbelle Sun 24-Feb-13 14:04:51

I keep on telling myself it's a good thing... I swear though if this pregnancy doesn't work out I'm through with IVF (famous last words)

Seems a bit odd that they would forbid horseback riding! What about riding a bike? Unless you're doing some Wild West manoeuvres I would have thought the risk of a fall or accident are the same on a bike as on a horse.

I have told myself that if the IVF doesn't work I'm buying a motorcycle! I used to ride years ago and have always wanted to go back to it, TTC has slightly got in the way. I would love to try horse riding as well.

It is a good thing, delilah although I know it must not seem like it at all.

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 14:33:44

Don't know sad I suppose you are higher and on an unpredictable living creature, who might buck or fall on you heavily. I did sneak a ride in early on, and rising trot was uncomfortable with stimulated ovaries. And I suppose my tits would not thank me for any sort of bouncing at the moment. But I do want one though.

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 14:41:27

Well I felt like a right old thickie trying to find you all. Did it after much cursing and random tapping of buttons on the iPad.

I bought a four pack of bounty bars whilst I was out. Anyone fancy one ? Come on, we have loose fitting trousers so anything goes.

If this doesn't work out for me, I'm tempted to take a career break and go travelling. Feck knows what with but it seems like a nice idea.

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 14:47:07

My partner is buying a sports car. Apparently...

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 14:52:25

I sense that this may not come to pass, Northey.

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 14:54:27

Well ideally I will be pregnant, so he will instead have to buy something staid and sensible. But if I'm not, he will just never get organised to buy anything anyway, so who cares?!

EuroShaggleton Sun 24-Feb-13 15:03:35

Afternoon ladies! We did fill that thread rather quickly, didn't we?

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 15:05:50

So what's the story with the 2ww testing business then ?

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 15:06:19

What do you mean, nok?

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 15:08:50

Well at what point can you test ? I'm a bit behind you and Delilah and fairy and I'm a proper nosey bitch so am thinking the 2ww will be a living torture if you can't test everyday. Also didn't get the getting trigger shot out of your system point either. Grateful for any tips.....

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 15:12:45

Ok, well, if you POAS the day they collect your eggs, it will be positive, because the trigger shot you gave yourself two days before (to ripen your eggs) is made of hcg, the pregnancy hormone. That takes a few days (say a week?) to metabolise out of your system. Some people test every day to see the bfps vanish. At that point, that know that any future bfp wil be because an embryo has implanted.

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 15:14:17

You'll be told to test 14-16 days after egg collection, depending on the clinic. Some people crack and test early, naturally. As I've learnt today, 10dp egg collection is too early...

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 15:21:45

Oh thanks for that Northey. Very useful advice. At least I can manage my own expectations during the 2ww as I was a bit worried about this part of the process. As a reward, you can have a bounty bar, a bag of chilli crackers and a voucher for a heated onesie.

Sharonbenn Sun 24-Feb-13 15:32:47

Here you all are! <pulls up a chair and puts the kettle on> I had to search for Fairy in the end after going through the whole list of threads. Blimey there is some varied chat going on.

Is there only space for 999 posts then?

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 15:44:21

Hi Sharon !

Sharonbenn Sun 24-Feb-13 15:54:02

Hi Noks

Do I remember correctly that you are at Guys? If so, so am I and we have pretty close cycles so that's good x

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 16:01:39

I am at Guys, well remembered ! You're going to start stimming in a week with Nafarelin aren't you ? We're a bit behind the rest of the Wolf Pack here but at least we can pump them for advice ! Xx

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 16:03:08

The Wolf Pack is affectionate, by the way, from the film the Hangover. Shit - remember those.....hangovers ? grin

Sharonbenn Sun 24-Feb-13 16:13:48

I like the wolf pack it's cute. I am rubbish with hangovers. Although I am starting to miss a nice glass of wine.

I've been trying to remember all the tips everyone has given so far but can't remember them all so I'll be asking the same questions at each stage no doubt.

ScarlettInSpace Sun 24-Feb-13 16:22:58

I had to begrudgingly put my onesie on the wash last night because it had started to resemble a dog blanket my puppy thinks me in onesie = doggie cushion and I don't really discourage him blush

Still no sign of the witch here so no jabbing til at least Tuesday...

Detox finished yesterday, half a stone & an inch off my waist grin which I rightly celebrated with half a bottle of red last night and McDonalds for lunch today. Steak and blue cheese for tea tonight then back on the wagon tomorrow...

Hope you're all having a nice weekend, I've been trying all day to avoid the Leaning Tower of Ironing all day even pretended to feel sick post McDs so I could have a kip on the sofa but it's no good, I can't dodge it any longer <sigh>

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 16:25:49

Congrats on detox success! If I get a bfn, I am going on the most almighty diet...

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 16:34:24

Sharon - Well I had a glass of red last night and decided NOT to feel guilty about it. I'm being so good that I think one now and again whilst DR'ing won't hurt. The clinic said it's fine too. I thoroughly enjoyed it, I have to say.

Scarlett - the state of your onesie made me laugh. Are you going to start DR'ing when the little beeatch AF is here ? Well done on the detoxing and weight loss and an even bigger well done on the way you fell off the wagon. Worthy of the utmost respect !

Noks x

Hi sharon -sorry for the confusion, when I look at MN the talk sections are all organised into topics and this thread is pretty easy to find under Conception but maybe it's not obvious on everyone's computer/phone.

ScarlettInSpace Sun 24-Feb-13 16:58:57

northey part of the reason for this detox was to get rid of so
R of the shit left over from the last [failed] IVF, I'd deffo do this again and sooner if this next go doesn't work out.

noks I had a bad time with down reg last time and a really poor response [one good size follie and another wee one] hence it was abandoned, so I'm straight to stim this time on antagonist short protocol.

And I was pissed after 2 glasses last night which is hilarious as I'm well known for the amount of vino I can sink blush

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 17:10:59

Scarlett - do you mind me asking how many follies you had pre-ivf when they did your initial scans ? I had seven on my initial scan and am on a high dose of Gonal-F for stimms. X

I spent years and tens of thousands of pounds building-up my alcohol (and fag) tolerance. Some said that I was hollow...happy days !

ScarlettInSpace Sun 24-Feb-13 17:20:55

When I had my hycosy my R ovary [which is the side I have no tube due to an ectopic years ago] was apparently 'small & pre-menopausal' but my L ovary was health and had 4-5 follies on it, which the consultant said was good Dr Google disagrees hmmm

As it happens my L ovary failed to show up at the IVF party and the 2 follies actually grew on my previously dismissed R ovary confused

I've decided none of them really know what they're talking about, as long as they are giving me the treatment I want in the manner I want it then I just try to take what they say with a pinch of salt iykwim...

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 17:39:48

How completely strange. I have come to the same conclusion as you - I don't think they really know how each of us will respond until we take the drugs. The only certainty is the uncertainty of it all. Have they said anything about why the short antagonist protocol is better for you this time ?

Thanks for being so candid. I really appreciate it.

Noks x

ScarlettInSpace Sun 24-Feb-13 17:53:55

No problem, it's nice to not have to start by explaining what a follicle is like I do if I speak to people in RL lol!

I don't think I could've done long protocol again as the down reg affected me hideously, it nearly destroyed me and it's taken 3-4 months to get out of the depression I believe it brought on, if I'm being entirely frank! I also think it was unnecessary to suppress my ovaries as they are a bit sleepy to start with grin so this protocol is much more suited to me. We're chucking everything at it so going straight in with maximum stims, that should [hopefully] wake the lazy bastards up!!

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 17:56:17

scarlett, euro also had a hideous reaction to the drugs. Just awful.

Pre-menopause? Do you mind me asking how old you are? <worries about own ovaries>

ScarlettInSpace Sun 24-Feb-13 18:08:31

I've spoken to euro on here about it, I think we were both relieved to find someone else that had a similar experience grin

I'm 36, I was 35 then. That's why I think they're talking out if their arseholes grin the surgeon said he thought maybe the blood supply had been damaged when I had the op to remove the tube but the IVF response disproves that theory hmm

My FSH was 12 and my AMH 4.22, not great but not bloody pre menopausal either, honestly I think they are all such bloody Doom Merchants!

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 18:10:45

Blimey Scarlett. Seriously ? You poor thing...there was me whining like a massive baby about having hot flushes and having to take my bloody jumper in and off a few times. I feel such a fraud now. blush

Am sending your follies a VERY stern look and have a loud speaker in hand, just so they get the message.

Noks x

ScarlettInSpace Sun 24-Feb-13 18:17:53

Haha noks don't feel guilty, I wouldn't wish it on anyone!

Sharonbenn Sun 24-Feb-13 18:19:04

Fairy no probs I found you in the end. I am still getting used to how it all works and when I found this thread I was on the actual site and looked under conception but now I'm on the app and the threads seemed to be listed under topics of the day. There are some random topics today out there today!

It's reassuring to talk about it all. Its hard in RL cause apart from one dear friend they all got pg easily 2 on their honeymoons. I had 10 follies on my initial scan which apparently was 'good for my age' there's that phrase again. I haven't had the FSH done but my AMH was also GFMA (see above!) apparently. I might be 42 but I'm not writing off what's going on in there just yet.

Enjoy your sunday evenings ladies. I'm about to put the sausage and mash on!

EuroShaggleton Sun 24-Feb-13 18:22:40

I tested at 7 and 8dpEC and got faint lines from the trigger shot (almost non-existent at 8 days) so I knew when I tested a few days later it would be a real result.

Scarlett best of luck for the start of your new cycle. I'm sure it'll be a good one, avoiding the evil downregging. It took me 6 months to lose the 9 pounds I piled on during and after the cycle. I'm sure it temporarily fucked up my thyroid (when it was tested at a medical 4 months after the cycle it was right on the bottom edge of normal). I've never struggled with my weight and it was horrible. I was eating tiny amounts and putting on 2-3 pounds a week! Of course now, all being well, I will be the size of a cow in a few months!

Nokkie downregging is not easy for most people even if you don't have the extreme reactions Scarlett and I did, so be kind to yourself while you are doing it (am v jealous of that glass of red - if I go out for food and my companion has a glass, I am picking up and taking long inhales of the scent at the moment blush).

chocoloco1 Sun 24-Feb-13 18:53:34

Evening ladies, my you've been chatty today! Feeling a onesie evening coming on due to how tight my jeans feel at the mo and trying to convince myself that it's bloating due to stims, although unlikely with probably only 2 follicles more likely to be from the litre of milk I've been forcing down

euro and scarlett your down reg experiences sound horrendous, I only had a short experience of it on my 1st cycle, but then my body didn't respond to it.

Noks it does seem to be a bit of a guessing game with consultants, I agree. Am on max stims again for 2nd cycle after getting 3 eggs last time. Amh 0.23 and was given a 5% chance of success. Who knows! Off to do injection, hopefully last one before trigger tomorrow night.

Any last minute tips for getting follicles to grow, grow, grow before scan tomorrow?

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 19:13:34

Drink water and eat protein, as far as I can make out. How many days of stimming have you done so far?

chocoloco1 Sun 24-Feb-13 19:52:33

It's my day 13 scan tomorrow. Have been eating protein like there's no tomorrow and using a hot water bottle loads. Are you feeling strong-willed about not testing tomorrow?

HontyTont Sun 24-Feb-13 20:31:32

There you all are...I was worried I wouldn't be able to find you! <breathes a sigh of relief>

Well I am currently stranded at my parents after attempting to leave at 6 switching on the engine to be told by the on board computer that I had a puncture! After closer inspection we found a nail in the tyre...don't have a spare cos these clever car companies only put mending kits in the boot nowadays and of course if the puncture is in the wrong place the mending kit is useless....genius! So now waiting for a recovery vehicle to take us and the car home....what a fun journey that will be! So much for keeping my stress levels low!

Off to have my full blood count and progesterone checked tomorrow....as well sorting a new tyre

I have also been squeezing my boobs....not for pleasure alas....they were a little tender up until a day ago but today they feel fine....trying not to read too much into anything

Am also weakly leggings/jogging bottoms anything lose fitting feels comfortable...cant face jeans due to the bruises my tummy from the fragmin

As for the 2ww....north what were you thinking? Having said that at least you know now the trigger has gone and you can be sure your bfp is all baby

I am totally not even entertaining the idea of early testing....my resolve is strong so far and I'm going to aim to keep it that way! I have NO tests in the house! It's way early for me anyway, today is only 5dpt...and my OTD isn't until the 6th. Can't wait for Thursday to get me out of here to NY to distract me

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 20:39:34

I have lost all my "symptoms" too, hont. I remember euro waking up one morning though and feeling completely unpregnant. So I am calming myself with that.

sad at the fragmin bruises. Ow.

HontyTont Sun 24-Feb-13 20:42:31

The talk of red wine is making me thirsty!

Good luck for scans tomorrow ladies x

HontyTont Sun 24-Feb-13 20:48:11

north hang in there lovely....i just think symptoms are so different for every woman whether preggers by IVF or 'naturally'... So we will just have to wait until DDay, aka OTD!

Double sad sad at fragmin tonight especially as I like to sych myself up for them but today I will literally get dropped off by the recovery vehicle and have to take the plunge before diving into bed so I can get up in the morning

vallinnapod Sun 24-Feb-13 20:54:30

<<waves>> lost you all for a while.

Had ET last Weds...DS managed to be diagnosed with chickenpox the day before hmm. I have felt fluey since so convinced I have scuppered everything.

When can I feasibly test stupidly early? It was a 5 day blast. OTD Friday...I think. My clinic were wonderfully vague "Oh 14 days" "But it is a 5 day blast" "Ok then, 10 days" "9?" "Yeah OK"...feel I may have talked them in to that grin

Any way, my lining wasn't fab (6.5mm) but my little brrr baby (chose just to defrost 1) was a star. Defrosted 90-100% intact and had started to divide away again.

Been lugging DS around and general unable to relax like last time so worried I may have not given it it's best chance.

Bit glass half empty.

EuroShaggleton Sun 24-Feb-13 21:01:04

norf it was at 9dpEC my symptoms disappeared. I went to bed feeling wildly hormonal (and horny as hell blush) and woke up the next morning just feeling blank.

valium I'll have everything crossed for you.

vallinnapod Sun 24-Feb-13 21:08:15

PMSL Euro not sure if that was meant for me, and if it was, if it was an autocorrect but valium is highly apt winkgrin

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 21:17:10

Yeah, it was yesterday that I started feeling blank too, euro, which was 9dpec for me as well.

Vallina, nice to see you back again. I had ET the day before you, and am meant to test on Saturday!

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 21:18:16

Ooh, val, do you mind me asking what grade your frosted were before freezing and after defrosting?

Sharonbenn Sun 24-Feb-13 21:43:48

Vanilla sorry you are feeling pants but yay for your little embie coming up trumps. A hardy little fellow. hopefully a good sign.

Good luck for your scan Choco fingers crossed for you.

Hope you got home ok Honty.

I'm done in and getting an early night. I'm conserving energy for the task ahead.

Night everyone.


EuroShaggleton Sun 24-Feb-13 21:59:45

Heh val yes, that was an amusing autocorrect! 'll stick to val from now on. grin

honty sorry to read about your car stress.

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 22:23:24

Hi all

Just been out for a lovely bit of scran with Mr Noks. The red wine monster came to visit again. Bad BAD Noks.

Thanks, euro . Am feeling much better today but after reading your tales of down regging hell, I am really in awe of you and Scarlett and everyone else. I am not the sort of person to say that lightly but I so am. X

Choco - I seem to remember for some strange reason you are down in Dorchester ? My wonderful Grandad was born there and I used to go as a child. Happy memories. Xx

Good luck for all tomorrow's testing, injecting, sniffing and random journeys on the IVF bus.

Noks x

Dildals Mon 25-Feb-13 09:08:08


But to answer your question, no, not feeling low particularly, bit grumpy maybe the last couple of days. Low level queasiness, but nothing unmanageable. Sore lower back. Sore boobs. That's it.

I haven't had to change in to larger trousers yet, but I did go shopping on Saturday and it was very frustrating, I have this massive gut hanging out of everything. I lost weight, somehow (nerves probably), but for the love of god I don't know where it came off. My belly is only getting larger, ditto boobs. I have been having a few days where I am ravenous and just eat, but nothing too indulgent. I am going to lay off the chocolate and biscuits though, this is getting ridiculous.

Three more sleeps till scan.

dildals I am absolutely terrified.

Dildals Mon 25-Feb-13 11:18:24

fairy I know, it's almost easier to remain 'not knowing', but you know that signs are looking good!

vallinnapod Mon 25-Feb-13 11:37:30

No idea Northey sorry!

Dildals Mon 25-Feb-13 14:32:49

I can't concentrate at work ... fairy how did the scan go?!

delilahbelle Mon 25-Feb-13 15:12:11

I'm in hospital. Was pregnant, no longer after a rupture and fairly serious bleed and emergency surgery. In the gynae ward to recover for the next few days.

EuroShaggleton Mon 25-Feb-13 15:36:12

Oh delilah. I'm so, so sorry to hear that.

delilah I'm so so sorry, was it a placental rupture? God how awful. Hope they are taking good care of you.

I feel a bit awkward announcing this just after del's sad news but I've just seen one little perfect creature on the scan and its heart thumping away. Just one thank god! So relieved. Now only another 5 weeks until can truly relax... DH and I have celebrated with a very wicked trip through the McDonalds drive in since DS is in school and won't be corrupted.

Sharonbenn Mon 25-Feb-13 15:39:50

Oh my goodness Delilah what a roller coaster. I'm so so sorry. That is terrible news. I dont know what to say. How are you? Sx

Dildals Mon 25-Feb-13 15:41:11

Jezus delilah that's horrible! I have goose bumps. I am so sorry. What happened? Did you start bleeding at work or were you at home? Did you call the ambulance or did you manage to make it in yourself? Does this now mean that you won't be able to get pregnant again?
I have no magic words of advice to offer, take advantage of the painkillers and take each day as it comes. It will get better eventually, it always does. xxx

Sharonbenn Mon 25-Feb-13 15:41:20

Lovely news Fairy. Congratulations x

Dildals Mon 25-Feb-13 15:51:14

fairy Congratulations! I KNEW it was going to be good news for you! Risks of things going wrong dramatically decrease if there's a heartbeat though, so that's good news!

chocoloco1 Mon 25-Feb-13 16:31:17

delilah hugs, so sorry to hear your awful news x x

highlove Mon 25-Feb-13 17:34:19

Oh Delilah I'm so very sorry. I hope for now you are recovering ok physically. After all you've been through, this is just so very unfair.

vallinnapod Mon 25-Feb-13 18:02:32

The highs and lows of this board sad

Delilah how sad and scary - wishing you a speedy recovery.

Fairy {hugs} that is really lovely news smile

EuroShaggleton Mon 25-Feb-13 18:09:15

So many highs and lows on this thread.

Delilah I am thinking of you.

fairy I'm so pleased that the scan was great.

Thank you all. I was so nervous during the scan my legs were trembling too much and the nurse had to stop until I found a new position.

It's all so down to luck isn't it? Life is so precarious.

Sharonbenn Mon 25-Feb-13 18:44:30

Chocco how did you get on with your scan today? Are you doing the trigger shot tonight?

And everyone else how are you all feeling?

vallinnapod Mon 25-Feb-13 19:13:44

Crampy and anxious, thanks for asking blush

Northey Mon 25-Feb-13 19:18:19

Oh God, delilah, I'm desperately sorry.

I remember from ectopics the blank awfulness of suddenly being stunned and babyless in a hospital bed. Are you in much physical pain?

ScarlettInSpace Mon 25-Feb-13 19:40:11

delilah so so sorry, what a twisted path you've been down, I know it's hard, big love xx

Sharonbenn Mon 25-Feb-13 19:44:50

Hello Vall it must be so tough especially with a little one ill. Hang in there.

ScarlettInSpace Mon 25-Feb-13 19:45:42

fairy lovely news btw, well done x

Finally the witch has landed here, 16.35 so 5 minutes after reception closed at the clinic so I couldn't make appt for tomorrow angry although is this actually CD1 or is there some magic cut off time??

Well I'm having a beer anyway, self medication for the cramps cos there's deliberately no red wine in the house and hopefully it will be my last drink til christmas...

chocoloco1 Mon 25-Feb-13 19:58:47

Evening all,

scarlett CD1 is 1st day of red bleeding I think although some clinics have cut off times for when af should arrive by for CD1. Am I right in thinking you will be doing short protocol?

noks the Dorchester childhood memories sound lovely, I'm actually a Wiltshire gal, but prepared to half kill myself driving for hours willing to drive over an hour and a half each way as they are all so lovely at the clinic and it was recommended by a friend

vallinna sorry for cramps and nerves. The 2ww is a real toughie and it's hard to be left on your own after being pro-active with clinic visits etc beforehand

sharon thanks for asking, scan ok, but got to go back tomorrow for another scan and egg collection scheduled for Thursday. Are you getting excited about Thursday when you can start injections?

Hello to everyone else.

vallinnapod Mon 25-Feb-13 20:00:20

Scarlett do you need a day 2 scan? With my clinic if you ring first thing then they fit you in that day, or see you on day 3 (not much difference apparently).

Thanks Sharon DS is miles better - which is almost worse as he is non-stop wink. Joking aside it is fabulous to see him so much better poor thing. If the brr-baby is sticking then it will have stuck by now IYSWIM!

Sharonbenn Mon 25-Feb-13 20:12:07

That's good Vall. Fingers crossed the little one has settled in nicely inside and making himself comfy for the long haul ahead.

Well done Chocco. At least they are looking after you and keeping a close eye. That's encouraging. I'm on long protocol so sniffing on thursday and yes im getting nervously excited now. Only 3 sleeps to go.

Scarlett enjoy the beer!

ScarlettInSpace Mon 25-Feb-13 20:33:40

Hmm I've been very light sporting since last weds, this was sudden full red flow, it is a CD2 scan before starting on short protocol yes, hopefully I'll get hold of them first thing and arrange a same day scan, I know they say CD3 is ok but I responded so poorlyadt find I don't want to waste a day of stim iykwim...

ScarlettInSpace Mon 25-Feb-13 20:35:11

Eh? *so poorly last time. 1 beer hmm

Nokkie73 Mon 25-Feb-13 20:52:34

Hi all

delilah I am so very sorry. I can't imagine what you're going through now, having had such highs and lows over the past few days. Am sending you lots of cyber space hugs - it's just so f'king cruel, isn't it ? Noks xx

choco well you can be an honorary Dorcester gal for this. I will ask Grandad Tom and Great Aunty Dolly to look after you whilst you're down there grin

fairy congrats on your BFP! Well done - you must be absolutely over the moon.

I can't go forward on the thread for some reason so will post this and catch-up on page four in a minute.

I have just eaten a bucketful of salmon and feel like I'm going to pop, depositing fishy bits all over the lounge. I mean, I love protein, but this is ridiculous.

Noks x

Nokkie73 Mon 25-Feb-13 20:56:47

scarlett - is is a large beer ? grin you need to share it with the group so we can all have a little booze by proxy. X

Hi everyone else.

Can't believe it about delilah. sad


EuroShaggleton Mon 25-Feb-13 21:00:45

Scarlett my clinic had a 2 or 3pm cut off for Day 1. I don't really understand it, but thems the rules...

I hope you can get your scan sorted tomorrow.

Val I'm glad your son is on the mend now. Crampy you say...?

choco you're nearly there!

HontyTont Mon 25-Feb-13 21:05:20

Delilah thinking of you and sending you hugs

fairy yaaaay! a heart beat thats amazing news

val good to hear from you, good luck with your frostie

Got home at 11 last night the fragmin was a killer, i actually had tears. This IVF lark is such a rollercoaster isn't it? Asked the nurse if there was an alternative but there isnt just got to keep going and if I'm up the duff i have to continue until 10 weeks!

I'm feeling nothing at the moment...anyone else on the 2ww feeling the same? I'm thinking surely i should feel something, something not normal, something i have never felt before....but nothing really....i hope its all worth it!

scarlett are you tipsy? what i would give for a beer right now!

Actually to be honest i'm thinking i will have a few bubbles to celebrate DH 40th in New York this weekend, and the odd beer with lunch maybe? is that really bad? how much can it effect the outcome? obviously no hard stuff and not drinking to get drunk, just a nice glass of fizz or 2? I reckon if i am pregnant then its implanted its got its own blood supply and i cant get it drunk...god am i being a bad parent already?

HELP! what are your thoughts?

<waves to everyone else>


Sharonbenn Mon 25-Feb-13 21:43:02

Hello Honty

I don't know I'm afraid. You aren't being a bad parent but the advice seems to be to do what feels right for you. I've been told to do everything that I think will make me feel better and won't give me regrets at the end of it. If you feel like having a glass of champers then go ahead. If im really honest, I wouldn't but that is my choice and I wouldn't judge anyone for making their own choices. I hope that helps. Sxx

Northey Mon 25-Feb-13 21:49:32

honty, I honestly don't think it will affect the outcome. If you are the kind of person who will beat yourself up over possibilities, then save yourself the anguish and don't do it, but otherwise I would have a glass. I had a cup of coffee with caffeine in this afternoon, after a month of decaf. I don't think it will make any difference and I am certain that I wot look back and blame myself if this cycle fails.

Northey Mon 25-Feb-13 21:51:08

Also, I am also a bit symptomless sad I think it must be related to the passing of the triggershot.

Nokkie73 Mon 25-Feb-13 21:58:42

Don't let this whole thing climb into your head Northey - keep the faith. X

Sharonbenn Mon 25-Feb-13 22:23:02

I agree Northey. Try to relax and do something nice for yourself. Not long to go now. X

delilahbelle Mon 25-Feb-13 22:46:41

At 4pm on Sunday I had horrible horrible cramps. So bad DH called an ambulance. After gas and air, lots more pain, vomitting, agonising pain, and scans as well as decreasing obs on means the though they could see fluid the did a laparoscopy that turned into a laparectomy.

I had 2 litres if blood suctions out when I was under and was given 6 units. One of the two embryos had lodged on the scar tissue from my salpingectomy, and some part of its growth and stretching had ruptured my uterus.
While I was under DH had to make the decision to sacrifice the other embryo to give me the best chances of survival. He did the right thing! I would rather be with him and babyless than there being a chance come not being around. My uterus has been nicely saved, so pregnancy is still possible but not something I can see myself attempting again. Everyone has told me I can't decide now, but I have had a moment of clarity, I don't want it enough to risk my life again.

Operation was at 1am, I've been on the ward since 7:30am dozing on and off, and have just got out of bed for the first time today.

Thank god for iPhones and Facebook chat!

delilahbelle Mon 25-Feb-13 22:48:38

Ps, doped up on oramorph and diclofenac, hopefully the above us understandable.

Huge congrats to fairy and best wishes for a healthy preg.

delilahbelle Mon 25-Feb-13 22:50:01

Other embryo had to be sacrificed due to risk of uterus rupturing again in later pregnancy.

Sharonbenn Mon 25-Feb-13 23:03:01

Delilah thank goodness you are ok. It is a truly terrible situation. Your poor DH must have been so worried. You can reflect on where to go from here once you are strong and well. In the meantime just concentrate on recovering and giving yourself plenty of time and space to heal both physically and emotionally. Sending you lots of healing thoughts. Try to get some rest. Night night xxx

Sharonbenn Mon 25-Feb-13 23:03:35

Delilah thank goodness you are ok. It is a truly terrible situation. Your poor DH must have been so worried. You can reflect on where to go from here once you are strong and well. In the meantime just concentrate on recovering and giving yourself plenty of time and space to heal both physically and emotionally. Sending you lots of healing thoughts. Try to get some rest. Night night xxx

Nokkie73 Mon 25-Feb-13 23:20:31


As Sharonbenn said, thank goodness you are ok. Must have been a horrendous and heartbreaking time for you and DH. Decisions obviously need to be made but give yourself the time and space to make them. I wish you a full and speedy recovery and hope DH holds you tight, and you hold him tight too.

Night night.

Noks x

Northey Tue 26-Feb-13 04:27:36

Delilah, what a terrible thing to happen. Thank God you're ok.

BFN this morning. 12dpEC, and 4 days before OTD. Ho hum.

delilahbelle Tue 26-Feb-13 05:19:52

Well I'm off the catheter (uncomfy) and all opiate drugs already. (Hate the side effects)

Main pain is coming from the gas trapped in my abdomen, and muscle strain from commuting yesterday. Guts are wurgling away well though.

Still in shock I think. Possibly worst experience of my life.

delilahbelle Tue 26-Feb-13 05:20:37

Vomiting not commuting. Stupid iPhone.

delilah how awful, I can't imagine. Your DH made absolutely the right decision. I'm so sorry this happened. I am so impressed by your relatively cheerful messages although I know you must be feeling a lot right now. You are a very brave woman.

Northey Tue 26-Feb-13 07:05:11

Bastard gas. Is peppermint tea helping?

Northey Tue 26-Feb-13 07:05:39

Is there any indication of when they might let you home?

chocoloco1 Tue 26-Feb-13 07:06:45

Blimey Delilah you've been through such a lot. Can't really imagine how you're feeling, but thinking of you and sending my love x x

Sharonbenn Tue 26-Feb-13 07:50:23

Delilah I hope you are more comfortable this morning. Xx

Northey is it still to early to test or do you think that is accurate? I'm so sorry. How disappointing after everything you have been through. Hugs. Sx

Sharonbenn Tue 26-Feb-13 07:51:25

Oh and good luck today choco.

Anyone else got tests/scans today?

delilahbelle Tue 26-Feb-13 08:02:41

Home tomorrow maybe, or Thursday morning depending how I feel. Hopefully tomorrow as the ward is noisy and smelly, and that's just the moth patients. Moans, groans and snores all night, and then some kind of toilet fail this morning for someone near me. God I could do with a private room.

Gutted really, will be signed off work for at least 4 weeks to recover, and will really need to take stock.

ScarlettInSpace Tue 26-Feb-13 08:13:23

Oh Delilah I hate wards too and vomiting and commuting are pretty close IMO 4 weeks feels like a long time but will fly by, dont even try to make any life decision for at least the first 2 weeks, just concentrate on absolutely nothing, zone out a bit and let your body heal itself and OH look after you...

northey nope sorry mate still too early! Try again in 4 days when you're supposed to woman

vallinnapod Tue 26-Feb-13 09:18:27

Delilah how terrifying for you all. Not sure if this helps but you really are going through a type of bereavement. They say you shouldn't make any life decisions for several months afterwards. {totally useless comment really, just wish I could do something}

Northey - ummm, glad it wasn't just me testing this morning blush BFN also and now feel hideous - in that I feel so stupid I tested, and then also worried it will stay as a BFN. Idiot, idiot, idiot (me, not you!)

vallinnapod Tue 26-Feb-13 09:55:34

Just checked with the clinic. I should be testing on 4th March shock. WTF?! I will be sectioned by then!

ScarlettInSpace Tue 26-Feb-13 09:59:36

val step away from the sticks!

I am feeling more than a bit grossed out at the thought of my scan this afternoon as the first 24 hours are always ummm particularly heavy iykwim.

And I had a bizzrre dream this morning that I went for my scan and 2 girls from Made in Chelsea were there having their hair done in the same room, as I started to arrange myself on the stirrups my mother walked in with a box of pot plants and started to put them around the scan room. Analyze that!

Sharonbenn Tue 26-Feb-13 10:08:29

Vall and Northey oh dear stay strong girls and don't test until OTD then you won't put yourself through loads of anguish. It must be so hard. We've got it all to look forward to. I'll be climbing the walls I know. X

EuroShaggleton Tue 26-Feb-13 10:13:49

Delilah that sounds absolutely awful. I really feel for both you and your husband at this time.

The ward sounds horrible. I hope you can get home to recover in your own bed soon.

Norf probably still too early. There are no fat ladies singing yet.

Val how many days past EC/ET are you now? If your OTD isn't until 4 March, you are also a fat lady free zone!

Scarlett I was lucky that no one ever wanted to scan me earlier than day 4. Days 1 and 2 are horrendously painful for me, and days 2 and 3 are awfully heavy (must be that lovely endometrium I am always told I have...). The sonographer will have seen it all before of course, but I was always worried about how I would manage to get dressed without bleeding all over the floor!

ScarlettInSpace Tue 26-Feb-13 10:25:00

Euro my first few days are exactly the same - hmmm is that a coincidence given our response to down reg? What we need now is the government to give us £0.5M to go and form a think tank sit on a beach in Mauritius to examine this theory grin

EuroShaggleton Tue 26-Feb-13 10:27:49

You write the proposal Scarlett and I'm in!

vallinnapod Tue 26-Feb-13 10:31:36

ET was 20 Feb and it was a Day 5 blast.

delilahbelle Tue 26-Feb-13 10:45:51

Yeah, now I'm physically improving I think it's hitting me there's def no babies in my immediate future. sad

Ah well, I am one of those annoying fairly naturally optimistic people, so it won't get me down for long.

delilahbelle Tue 26-Feb-13 10:52:21

And my first chemical pregnancy was more painful emotionally than this. Kind of like the first time you were dumped it is hideous, but subsequently it's nowhere near as bad in the long run.

EuroShaggleton Tue 26-Feb-13 10:55:25

So you're 11dpEC, val? Definitely not a definitive result. But 4 March does seem a long time to wait!

delilah there are other ways to become a mummy, but now is not the time to be thinking that far ahead. Just focus on healing for now. x

vallinnapod Tue 26-Feb-13 11:46:00

Oh Delilah - what an apt analogy. Rest up, try and relax and focus on getting well.

blush Yeah, Euro that works out....I am just crap at waiting. 4th march would be 16 dpEC - which apparently is what they always recommend confused.

Northey Tue 26-Feb-13 12:27:18

val, you are a day behind me, then. I had EC on the Thursday, and ET the following Tues. I thought my OTD was the Saturdy though. Maybe my clinic does 15dpEC. Or maybe I am just persuading myself that it will show up by then!

EuroShaggleton Tue 26-Feb-13 13:15:18

My clinic did a blood test at 14 dpEC. There is no consistency at all!

Dildals Tue 26-Feb-13 13:19:36

Mine said to test 16 days poast EC. They're probably trying to err on the side of caution.

Dildals Tue 26-Feb-13 13:19:48


Northey Tue 26-Feb-13 14:20:11

Actually, euro, I read the other day that two days is the time for hcg in the blood to metabolise into the urine. Or something. Which would make sense of the 14day/16day thing.

delilahbelle Tue 26-Feb-13 14:29:29

Can't stop crying this afternoon. My twins are dead. In my head I had named them, planned the nursery and everything.

Life seems so bleak. I wish I had not woken up and gone with them in the op. it's just DH keeping me going.

EuroShaggleton Tue 26-Feb-13 14:52:14

Oh delilah. My heart is bleeding for you. I wish I could be there to give you a hug. Do you have someone with you?

chocoloco1 Tue 26-Feb-13 15:03:42

Huge, huge cyber hug delilah, am so sorry, you poor, poor love x x

delilahbelle Tue 26-Feb-13 15:03:55

DH here now and being lovely.

EuroShaggleton Tue 26-Feb-13 15:05:47

I'm glad. x

Sharonbenn Tue 26-Feb-13 16:17:59

Delilah it is so so sad. I really feel for you. I have been so pensive today thinking about you. It is so unfair. Anything I say sounds so cliched but please allow yourself this time to cry. You are grieving and it is very painful. I wish we could take the pain away. Let DH look after you. Together you will get through this terrible time. And one day you will smile again even if it doesn't feel that way now. The sun is always there it is just behind the clouds sometimes. My thoughts are with you both. Xx

ScarlettInSpace Tue 26-Feb-13 16:47:54

delilah I'm rubbish at knowing what to say to people and but wanted to give you a big cyber hug {{}}

ScarlettInSpace Tue 26-Feb-13 16:54:50

AFM I just got back from my day 2 scan, everything looked good, she said she could see 2-3 small follicles on each ovary,they may not all develop [and I may grow some more, ha yeah right!] but it has put me in a good mood as at this moment in time we have more follies than we had when we abandoned last time, and we are going maximum dose stims so I have had a sharp few words with my ovaries, they are well aware failure is not an option <said in sr'nt major style voice>

Anyone else any experience of normal Day 2 scan pre-Short Protocol? I'm rubbish at remembering who has done what blush a quick google shows this is ok? I mean it's not going to be brilliant because I've already been written off by 1 consultant as old & barren hmm but 2-3 on each ovary is ok right?

Sooooo start jabbing this eve, oh joy of joys! Next scan Saturday then every 2 days after that. If we go to plan not bloody likely with my stupid body EC is going to be around about 2 weeks yesterday....

Sharonbenn Tue 26-Feb-13 17:08:34

Well done Scarlett. Sounds promising. Try to remain as positive as possible. try not to think of your body as stupid. Know that you and your body are doing your best. Be kind to yourself. I'm not very good at visualisation but there is a bit in the book Eat Pray Love where the wise old guru tells Liz to smile with her liver when she meditates. I'm trying to smile upon my ovaries. Gosh that sounds soft but hopefully you know what I mean smile

EuroShaggleton Tue 26-Feb-13 17:13:50

That sounds pretty good to me, Scarlett! Good luck for stimming!

vallinnapod Tue 26-Feb-13 19:40:33

Good luck Scarlett! I can't remember, but I have PCOs so I had millions but none worth counting at that stage IYSWIM!

delilah I don't think I can really add much to what everyone has already said but I'm thinking of you. So terribly sad. X

HontyTont Tue 26-Feb-13 19:48:53

delilah my heart goes out to you lovely. I can only imagine the pain both physical and emotional. Keep DH close share in your grief and let him smoother you in TLC. Don't going making any decisions either....there is plenty of time for that when you are recovered. Your babies will always be watching over you and know how much you wanted them. Big hugs xx

HontyTont Tue 26-Feb-13 19:53:17

north and val step away from the sticks! I can't even bring myself to POAS I'm so scared what it will say!

My OTD is 6th March....16 days post TRANSFER!!!!! I've got ages to go!! These clinics are useless at being consistent

Quick question my blood test results show I have slightly low progesterone...the nurse left me a message said there were 2 options but not what they were and for me to call her. Obviously by the time I picked up the message it was gone 5pm and no one around. Should I double up on my pessaries tonight and in the morning? What would this do? Also do I just shove one in after the other?

Thanks....I don't know what I would do without you!

HontyTont Tue 26-Feb-13 19:54:02

scarlett good luck within the stimming

vallinnapod Tue 26-Feb-13 20:03:32

Honty I wouldn't self medicate. What are you on? Your clinic must have an emergency number?

Last time I was on 400mg Cyclogest twice a day, had a major bleed/miscarriage at 6 weeks and they increased my dose to 400mg three times a day.

This time I am back to 400mg twice a day.

Not that that really helps..

At the risk of sounding like a complete hypocrite I would stay away from Google.

chocoloco1 Tue 26-Feb-13 20:18:03

Hello ladies

delilah still thinking of you x

hont I agree with vallinna about the emergency contact number, if poss.

noks thanks for letting me be an honorary Dorset gal!

scarlett scan sounds good, I've never dared to ask my antral follicle count at baseline scans as was too scared to find out! Which drugs are you on for your short protocol?

I was meant to test 15dpec last time, but didn't get to otd sadly. I'll be on gestone this time, rather than cyclogest, any experiences of it? Trigger injection at 10 tonight! Based on today's scan I should have 3 decent sized follicles by then which should contain eggs! bloody hope so after 13 days of stimming

Did any of you ladies have time off for the 2ww? I did last time, but not so sure what to do this time...

Northey Tue 26-Feb-13 20:20:12

I had a week off, but that was planned anyway, as it was half term (partner is a teacher).

Nokkie73 Tue 26-Feb-13 20:23:45

Hi all

delilah I have sat here for ages trying to formulate some words to say, something appropriate and positive and I just ended up a bit lost which is incredible because I am such a gobshite usually. My heart absolutely goes out to you and DH. It really does. I think like most of the ladies on here, I have been thinking about you today and I guess that's the best I can do. My thoughts are with you...funny how we've all never met but you end-up standing on the sidelines (in cyberspace, obviously) shouting for everyone like some demented person at a football match. I really hope you find some comfort in the fact that we are all thinking of you and begin to get a little stronger each day. Nxx

Afm - I think the dreaded DR hormones have now kicked-in, partly due to hearing someone at work describing how his two year olds made him laugh. I am fine with it usually as he's so understanding and has gone through the ivf process himself, so he knows what it's like but just sometimes, if you're caught off guard, it can hit you like a steam train and leave you wondering if it will ever happen.....soooooo i Thought I would come home and cheer myself up by listening to some music but so far I have cried to Abba (wtf ?) and daydream believer by the monkees. My disco stress busting session is NOT going well.

A pensive and blubbering Noks.xx

Sorry for the self indulgent post.....it just helps to get it out of your system sometimes.....

chocoloco1 Tue 26-Feb-13 20:35:51

Poor Noks, quick change the music! Hormones are a horrible thing. There was a woman in the waiting room at clinic today with a toddler screaming and I just wanted her to go away and couldn't make eye contact with her. We're putting our bodies through a hell of a lot with this assisted conception lark.

We're all here for you in your moments of sadness.

vallinnapod Tue 26-Feb-13 20:36:17

God no Choco I would go even more insane if I wasn't at work grin. Sorry to rake up bad memories but you say you didn't get to OTD. Did you get a period before then? I was wondering if that were possible or if all the fake hormones tricked you into thinking you were PG even if there was no implantation (IYSWIM) - then you get a period once you have a BFN and stop taking the artificial hormones.

Nokkie sorry disco hour is requiring an industrial quantity of Kleenex. I have tried to indulge in salacious gossip (DM Showbiz blush) but it seems EVERYONE is PG angry

vallinnapod Tue 26-Feb-13 20:37:14

PS my poor boobs...keep poking them to see if they are sore. Well, I say poke, it's more like a good grope wink

chocoloco1 Tue 26-Feb-13 20:43:00

Vallinna no worries about bad memories. I started bleeding the day before test day and was on cyclogest. I had some spotting from about a week after transfer, hence the consultant changing me to the injections this time. I have read for other people though that they don't bleed until progesterone support is withdrawn.

Still not sure about work, am a teacher, plus hour and a half commute each way. I did go mad last time though and Dr Google was really addictive!

vallinnapod Tue 26-Feb-13 21:42:35

There should be some blanket Google ban for all pregnant and potentially pregnant women!

ScarlettInSpace Tue 26-Feb-13 21:59:51

Im not taking the 2ww off if I get that far - spending 2 weeks looking at my tummy going 'what's going ON in there' would not be conducive to maintaining mental health!

I might book the wednesdays off each week though so I'm not overdoing things and I get a bit of headspace to mental, then I can concentrate on work better the 2 days at a time I am in [in principle lol]

HontyTont Tue 26-Feb-13 22:10:31

Thanks for the advice ladies...when I spoke to the nurse yesterday I asked her what they would do if my count was low and she said either increase cyclogest or injections....I'm just figuring that if they are the 2 options she is talking about then why not just take an extra one?

No emergency number to call I'm afraid sad and confused

HontyTont Tue 26-Feb-13 22:12:04

I went back to work the next day....I find it a great distraction!

Sharonbenn Tue 26-Feb-13 22:28:09

Hello ladies

I just wrote a post and now it's disappeared. Oh well if it turns up sorry for repeating myself

Noks are you feeling better? Hang in there. Tomorrow is another day. I tend to dance around the kitchen to Disco 2000smile

Choco and Scarlett good luck with the trigger and stimming. I expect you will have done them by now.

I have booked time off work diring 2ww. I've told them that I'm having a procedure and will be off for a few days sick then I've booked 2 weeks annual leave. Guys told me that all being well EC will be good Friday or Easter Monday. The test should fall half way through me being off. I figured that whatever the result DP and I will need the time together. I couldn't face going straight back to work either way.

I think it's great to be able to support each other. Be strong girls. Take care and sleep well.

Northey Wed 27-Feb-13 05:15:52

How are you feeling this morning, delilah? I hope the ward wasn't too awful overnight.

hont, in your position i'd probably just shove another one up.

I POASed again this morning. BFN again at 13dp EC. I really feel very pessimistic about this.

keepitgoing Wed 27-Feb-13 06:40:42

Hi everyone!
Delilah I'm so so sorry, what a hellish few weeks you've had. How scary for your dh, but he did the right thing. Have you got other family around to help you both at this awful time?

north sorry about the bfn, but crossing everything it's too early. Remember how pessimistic and sure euro was?

fairy grin on the scan, and good luck didals and euro

As for me, I had my baseline cd2 scan yesterday and started stimming on short protocol. 6 on one side 5 on t'other. I am on 200 dose which he said is low, next scan and blood test on sat, so I'm with Scarlett. Dh is doing all my jabs, I don't want to have to worry or think about it.

Sharonbenn Wed 27-Feb-13 07:56:02

Morning everyone

I hope you had a better nights sleep Delilah. Hug for you xxx

Well done Keep. Nice to 'see' you! I'm planning on getting DP to do my jabs cause I can't even look at a needle at the moment. I'll just have to take it jab by jab.

DP and I had a chat last night and I think the enormity of what we are about to do hit us. He is worried for me and all the things that could go wrong. From tomorrow I'm going to pump my body full of drugs that are going to have such an effect on me. It's scary. But I keep thinking of my lovely sweet niece and how i yearn for a child of my own. God I wish it didn't have to be this way.
However I don't want to start the day feeling negative so I'm going to do my best to focus on nice things like my funny friend at work who always makes me laugh.

Have a good day all.

Sharonbenn Wed 27-Feb-13 07:57:51

Oh I forgot Northey I'm sorry for the BFN. Keep is right remember Euro's experience. It's not over yet. X

keepitgoing Wed 27-Feb-13 08:03:05

Hi Sharon it sucks we're here, but it's exciting too. I feel better about it now we've started. No more choices, iykwim. Good luck starting the jabs. They don't hurt, I think that's the lease thing to worry about. We're in it together x
PS don't worry about feeling negative, that won't affect the outcome anyway.

Sharonbenn Wed 27-Feb-13 08:14:36

Hi Keep
Thanks. I'm so grateful for everyone's support. In RL I only know 1 person who had IVF and she is now pg naturally. She is supportive but is having a difficult pg (in hosp with morning sickness) so I don't want to bother her.

I'm sniffing from tomorrow. Then jabbing from 18th.

I am excited also. You are right. But I can't help thinking that I don't mind going through it all as long as it is a positive outcome. Oh well. I'm going to jump into the pool tomorrow from the top board. I'll hold my nose and hope for the best smile

vallinnapod Wed 27-Feb-13 09:09:51

Me too Northey....why did we do it to ourselves. Fancy a pact to try NOT to POAS tomorrow?? If we try not to tomorrow maybe we can 'allow' ourselves on Friday?!

I am very sad as by this time with DS I got a positive test.

Northey Wed 27-Feb-13 09:18:59

Oh good, I'm glad I'm not the only idiot with a complete lack of self control! Sorry that you also had a rubbish outcome. What are you testing on? I'm currently blaming it all on stupid insensitive Boots tests, and am plotting to buy some superdrug ones at lunch. That will definitely make it all alright hmm

vallinnapod Wed 27-Feb-13 09:22:52

eBay cheapies....got two swanky CB digitals and one CB normal (from the clinic) for OTD

EuroShaggleton Wed 27-Feb-13 09:49:36

Sorry about the tearful disco hour nokkie. Those drugs are awful. If they are indicative of what the menopause will be like, I have told Mr Euro he should run for cover until it is over!

choco I went straight back to work from ET and it was fine. I do have a desk job though. I would have gone insane stuck at home.

Happy stimming to keep and Scarlett. Good luck to those downregging. Be kind to yourselves to balance out the evilness of the drugs.

Norf and val sorry about the BFNs, but <listens> nope, I don't hear a fat lady singing yet.

delilah you were my first thought as I woke up this morning. I hope last night wasn't too awful on the ward. Hugs.

delilahbelle Wed 27-Feb-13 12:51:00

Hi all
Home now and a slow recuperation. DH still being amazing. I'll be lurking for a while, good luck to all!

vallinnapod Wed 27-Feb-13 12:57:55

Get some good movies and take it easy. Sounds stupid but drink loads of water as your kidneys will have been through a lot with drugs, the op etc. My thoughts are with you.

keepitgoing Wed 27-Feb-13 12:58:16

I don't hear the fat lady either...

Thank you, lovely Delilah I'm so glad you're home now.

Stabbing no.2 done! How many days do we anticipate? 14?

Also does anyone's clinic have an online patient information leaflet. Our clinic, abroad, answers questions when we ask but doesn't exactly volunteer it...

Nokkie73 Wed 27-Feb-13 13:01:51

Hello Wolf Pack

Noks now has wi-fi interweb access at work. Noks' productivity, which was shit to start with, may take a hit.....wink.

I had a really rough night last night and am feeling decidedly strange today. Not tears or anything but...just...strange. A bit 'starey out the window strange' and like someone has opened-up my head and thrown by addled brain on the skip strange, if you know what I mean.

choco & scarlett good luck with triggers and stimming. How have you got on ?

northey - you have been a naughty girl, haven't you ? Step away from the pee sticks and give yourself a break luv. This f'king process is torture enough without the added stress of the 2ww so I feel your pain.

keeps well done on the follies. grin

shazza are you on the long protocol at Guys ? Good luck with the sniffing. Have you had one yet this morning ?

valinn keep the faith. Xx

fairy, dildals and euro hello. Good luck with various things today (can't go back that far on the post !).

A big hi to everyone else. Am going to take my strange self out for a coffee now (decaf, of f'king course). Catch you lot later.

Keep smiling.

Noks x

Dildals Wed 27-Feb-13 14:14:33

euro your scan is tomorrow as well isn't it? What time are you on? Do I remember correctly you are at Create?

Dildals Wed 27-Feb-13 14:18:46

After hearing all these stories I am quite relieved I was on the short protocol!

EuroShaggleton Wed 27-Feb-13 14:19:24

I'm glad you are home delilah.

keep it depends on how well you react to the drugs, but I would expect rather fewer than 14.

Dildals my scan is indeed tomorrow - at lunchtime. What about you? Yes, we are at Create.

Sharonbenn Wed 27-Feb-13 14:27:27

Hi girls

Delilah glad you are home safe and sound. Take care of yourself. Lurk away. We don't want to lose you although it's totally understandable to take a step back.

Thanks Noks. I start tomorrow. I'm going to get it all out ready tonight So that I can go for it in the morning with minimal faffing. I love that you called me shazza. It's my nickname from my friends so am happy to hear it here. grin I hope you feel better after your decaf. I guess just go with what you are feeling and be kind to yourself at home tonight.

Keep - guys have an online PDF
http://www.ivfdirect.com/home.aspx. You can find the link on the front page. Well done with stimming no 2. Scarlett how are you getting on?

Choco is EC tomorrow? What time?

Hello to everyone else. How ste you all doing? I hope you are all enjoying your Wednesdays.

Shazzamattazza wink X

Dildals Wed 27-Feb-13 14:29:17

euro 13.00 for me at Guys. How are you feeling? Do you feel pregnant at all?

EuroShaggleton Wed 27-Feb-13 15:15:09

Dildals not really! My boobs are still hurty and I'm very bloated today, but the insomnia seems to be easing and I have no other symptoms. What about you? What point will you be tomorrow? I'll be 6+1.

Dildals Wed 27-Feb-13 15:21:53

I will be 7+3. There are days I feel preg and days where I am not sure ... I do feel a bit nauseous today, but TBH I think it's just the nerves for tomorrow!
Oh can I just say that my boobs look AH-MAH-ZING. I think I am going to get a cast made of them and buy a baby grand piano to put the cast on top of.

Northey Wed 27-Feb-13 15:27:05

I have just bought FOUR more pee sticks. Sigh.

Sharonbenn Wed 27-Feb-13 15:32:31

Blimey Northey! Save them til OTD x

vallinnapod Wed 27-Feb-13 16:59:59

Northey - I am really resolving not to test tomorrow!! Come join me!! WILL. NOT. TEST. WILL. NOT. TEST.

Drinks shed loads of water so you'll be peeing all the time and it will be too dilute anyway!

PS - you really should have invested in the eBay cheapies - I have 20 for £3 blush

euro and dildals good luck tomorrow on your scans. I hope you are not as panicked as I was. Nice to hear about the bosoms!

shazza and noks hope the down regging isn't too bad. I really don't understand why the default protocol is the one that is longest, costliest and has the most severe side effects and only if that doesn't work they switch you to the easier, cheaper protocol. Are the success rates that much better with long protocol? Anyway I found the anticipating treatment a lot more unsettling than just doing it so I hope you find the same.

northey and valinna at my clinic they don't recommend using a urine test until you are 18 dpec so please don't give up hope. I hated POAS because I always felt the neg test was saying "you fail" and judging me somehow.

del thinking of you lurking offstage. X

chocoloco1 Wed 27-Feb-13 20:49:00

Hello lovely ladies,

delilah still thinking of you

hont did you hear back from the clinic about the progesterone?

northey and vallinna hang on in there

keep and scarlett hope the stabbing is going ok

dildals and euro looking forward to hearing about your scans tomorrow

shazza sorry you've been feeling a bit flat about starting treatment, it is a roller coaster, no doubt about it, but I tried to look positively on it when I could as I knew I would have no chance of getting pregnant without it. I wish I was at the start of this cycle again as it seems to have flown by! Chin up and get sniffing tomorrow!

Afm, did the trigger last night and egg collection booked for tomorrow at 9.00 and got to be there for 7.30. Am feeling really nervous, more so than last time. Not sure if I'm more nervous about the anaesthetic or the outcome.

vallinnapod Wed 27-Feb-13 21:18:32

Good luck tomorrow Choco! I LOVED the sedation I had with EC as I was sleeping really badly at the time wink

chocoloco1 Wed 27-Feb-13 21:26:22

Thanks vallinna. That's a very good point as all the fretting has been keeping me awake too and I remember how snuggled I felt in the bed after last time, it was good. How's the resolve for not testing tomorrow? wink

ScarlettInSpace Wed 27-Feb-13 22:02:06

V quick post to say good luck choc

Sorry no name checks, full dose stims has knocked me sideways I think so been in bed since I got in from the office, working from home tomorrow in my onesie, don't tell my boss hopefully My body will level out a bit when it gets used to the hormones!

Nokkie73 Wed 27-Feb-13 22:19:19


euro good luck for tomorrow Hun. Xx

delilah glad to have you back lurking. Hope you're feeling a bit better. Xx

dildals how are your magnificent bristols this evening ? Have they been cast yet grin. Good luck for tomorrow. Xx

fairy now you've said I did wonder about the long protocol.....I will ask when I'm on on Friday. I guess it's too late to do anything about it now but it may be good to know in the future. How are you doing petal ? Xx

choco best of luck for tomorrow. Xx

scarlett sorry to hear you're feeling shitty. Hope tomorrow is a better day for you.

shazza sniff well and sniff strong my friend ! Let me know how you get on with it.

AFm...well am trying not to think about all this for just five f'king minutes a little while and am contemplating buying tickets for the Book of Mormon, the new naughty musical from the creators of South Park just to have something normal to look forward to. I just throw it out there to get your thoughts.

Noks xx

EuroShaggleton Wed 27-Feb-13 22:45:28

delilah before I head to bed I just wanted to say that someone was asking after you on the Oct 2013 thread so I said what had happened. I was very hesitant to, but I figured you had posted it here, and I didn't want anyone messaging you with anything upsetting or anything. There is a lot of love over there for you, as there is on this thread. I hope your husband is still being wonderful and taking great care of you.

Night all.

ScarlettInSpace Wed 27-Feb-13 22:45:45

Oooh good luck euro too

I'm shit have I missed anyone else with a scan or otherwise tomorrow??

Sharonbenn Wed 27-Feb-13 22:48:24

Hello girls

Thanks Fairy and Choco. I'm feeling nervously excited about starting. I can't believe the time has come. Im the last one of us to start aren't i? Choco it's a good point about noting the beginning of my cycle. I cant say I'll enjoy it cause thats not the right term but I hope to be mindful of what I'm doing. This is our chance. It's got to be better than literally shooting in the dark and being disappointed month after month. Now at least I'm able to do something practical to give us a chance.

Scarlett I hope you are ok. Sleep well.
Keep how are you doing today?

Vall and Northey HOLD TIGHT! Honty are you managing to resist?

Euro and Dildals best of luck for tomorrow. Sounds silly but do you get to see a pic tomorrow? So exciting.

Noks how are you feeling tonight?

And Del hugs for you.

Sorry if I've missed anyone.

Night all. Got to get my beauty sleep wink

Shazza x

Sharonbenn Wed 27-Feb-13 22:51:08

You all posted while I was writing! Bedtime now. Mr Shaz has already gone. At least the bed will be warm!
Night x

Sharonbenn Wed 27-Feb-13 22:52:51

Ps noks the book of Mormon supposed to be fab. Go for it!

Nokkie73 Wed 27-Feb-13 23:27:58

Val & Northey - sorry, missed you off. Hope you two have a less frustrating day tomorrow.

Shazza - sleep tight. Talking of which, I'm off to my pit now.


HontyTont Thu 28-Feb-13 01:09:20

Hi All...well off to NY in a few hours so I maybe out of comms for a while. Although I am sure I will log on at every available opportunity to see how you are all doing

Clinic came back and told me to increase dose to 3 bum bullets a day...I was using the front entrance until today! If a get spotting then increase to 4 times a day!

I have managed to resist POAS....north val give yourselves a break!

choco good lunch for tomorrow how u get a cracking harvest

delilah still sending you hugs

Ladies who have stated stimming....hang in there...

Hello everyone else...I'm going to try and get a couple of hours sleep before the alarm goes off

Night x

HontyTont Thu 28-Feb-13 01:11:02

Choco I meant good luck and hope you get a good harvest!

Have a good lunch too smile

Sharonbenn Thu 28-Feb-13 07:06:04

And she's off.....budge up everyone I'm on the bus!

Have a fab trip Honty. I'm so envious I LOVE NYC. Go and grab some bargains in Century 21 grin

Shaz x

vallinnapod Thu 28-Feb-13 07:29:36

Have a fab times in NYC!!

Lying in bed, very late for work really trying to resist POAS when I do get up!

keepitgoing Thu 28-Feb-13 07:34:51

Yay shaz! Welcome.

Good luck choco - hope you get lots of eggs.
euro hope you're not too nervous, am sure it'll be fine.

north and val - no testing!

vallinnapod Thu 28-Feb-13 09:35:50

WOOHHOOOO!!! I did it! Here I am, sitting at work, having not POAS this morning grin

Sharonbenn Thu 28-Feb-13 09:44:20

Well done Vall. Good girl!

I'm sitting at my desk feeling slightly (and strangely) euphoric. I feel empowered i wonder how long it will last?

SpanishLady Thu 28-Feb-13 09:55:14

Good morning!

Would you ladies mind giving me some advice? A good friend of mine is about to embark on her second round of IVF - she is taking some time off around the egg collection etc part of the process and as I wasnt in the UK last time (which obviously sadly didnt work) - want to be more supportive this time round.

I have had the idea of putting together for want of a better name - a care package for her to help her relax/stay upbeat during this cycle. I was thinking films (comedies/romcoms), music, candles whatever - I guess I want to know if this is totally nuts and if not if there is something I could add to it that I wouldnt be aware would be useful/helpful in the circumstances.

Any suggestions gratefully received!

keepitgoing Thu 28-Feb-13 09:55:16

Good girl val!! I am really not going to test early, I'm not I'm not I'm not tell me that in three weeks

shaz we felt that way after first jab too. Action, at last!!! Is sniffing as easy as it sounds?!

keepitgoing Thu 28-Feb-13 10:06:35

spanishlady that sounds lovely! I'm not sure if this is relevant to you as she's clearly confided in you, but while I've told my family we're doing this I don't want them to know the actual times, as it's even more pressure. I'd let her lead on sharing info. But the package is a lovely way of saying you're there for her.

EuroShaggleton Thu 28-Feb-13 10:16:35

spanish some DVDs and some chocolate or something like that would be lovely (skip the chocolate if she is doing uber-clean living for the IVF though - some folks do). That's a really lovely thought. I think the hardest thing about the process is the waiting so anything to help pass the time would be welcome. You sound like a really nice friend.

nok it was Mr Euro's birthday this week and I tried desperately to get Book of Mormon tickets but it was completely sold out. We went for One Man, Two Guvnors instead, which was really funny. I still want to see Mormon though, so I hope they release more tickets.

honty I'm very jealous, it will be fantastic.

val such self-restraint!

Sharon probably until the side effects kick in! But more seriously, after the time we have all had waiting for our bodies to do something of their own accord, starting IVF feels like a positive proactive step.

Norf how are you doing today?

vallinnapod Thu 28-Feb-13 10:45:51

Sharon - I felt great the second I started IVF. I had terrible headaches and fatique on the buserelin but the fact we were moving forward and doing something about it made me feel really positive.

Spanish does she have an iPhone/pad? One of those really annoying apps like Fruit Ninja does wonders for whiling away hours... not that I would know, honest

I am feeling cocky now and am wondering if I can hold off testing tomorrow too like hell I can

SpanishLady Thu 28-Feb-13 11:20:06

appreciate your replies - thanks so much

by the way - Good luck everyone!

Dildals Thu 28-Feb-13 11:22:48

spanish What a lovely idea! These are my suggestions to put in:
- decaf tea / coffee
- Zita West relaxation podcast
- pregnacare prenatal vitamins
- alcohol free sparkling wine (Sainsbury's bottom shelf! I have tried many this one is the best ;-) (or Becks Blue or the Weissenbier if she's more a beer lady)
& just keeping busy is best, so maybe take her out for walks or something new to do to keep her mind of things in the 'waiting period'.
Icecubes are good to rub against your belly before and after injecting, but they probably won't keep in a package!
Elasticated trousers will come in handy at one point but probably better not to include them ...
Maybe a nice fluffy bathrobe for the egg collection if she hasn't got one.
Good luck to your friend!

Dildals Thu 28-Feb-13 11:24:55

I got tickets for The Book of Mormon! They went really quickly though!

EuroShaggleton Thu 28-Feb-13 11:37:42

Ooo, I'll have to try again. Maybe they have released some more!

Arghhelp Thu 28-Feb-13 11:43:19

Hello everyone,..yeyy I think I found the egg buddies thread after all...keepitgoing are you here? Hello EuroShaggleton...So history is I had two miscarriages and an ectopic some years back...was diagnosed with Endometriosis then had IVF and a gorgeous DS as a result..now going again for number two but have been advised to do ICSI and was so stressssssed about it...could really do with some virtual hand holding because I dont seem to remember anything and am feeling tired even before i started....am on the short protocol this time and start the northesterone tablets on the 14th march.... sad why am i already stressed and tired? argh smile

Dildals Thu 28-Feb-13 11:47:45

Oh, forgot to mention I got them ages ago though! :-)

ScarlettInSpace Thu 28-Feb-13 12:10:27

val I am very impressed at your restraint grin I don't know about you but if I can just get past the FMU then I lose a lot of the temptation - you need a distraction in the morning then you will make it to saturday, can you give the tests to your OH?

keep I don't know if you asked here or on brooking blush but I'm on max stims, 6 powders so 2 jabs a night - they sting more than I remember but OH thinks this may be because last time I had 3-4 weeks of down reg injections to lead up to it last time so I was used to it by the time I got to stims.

honty have a fab time in NYC! am well jell...

hello arg and big waves to everyone else grin

Great news everyone - my acu referred to a book [so this is an actual fact Out Of A Book] and confirmed that the milk thing is as follows: alongside stimming: 2 portions of Full Fat Dairy per day, a portion can be whole milk on cereal [puke, I hate milk, and whole milk is getting nowhere near my mouth], a full fat yoghurt [hmmm maybe], a milkshake with whole milk [Frijj contains whole milk - Fudge Brownie Frijj mmmmmm], a lump of full fat cheese [woooohooooooo!!!] AND FULL FAT ICE CREAM YAAAAY!!! gringrin.


Sharonbenn Thu 28-Feb-13 12:41:24

Hello everyone

I've nipped to the loo for a quick catch up!

Keep. The sniffing was ok. I thought I'd done it wrong though cause I expected a gush and then it all dripping down my throat but it was so fine mist I thought I hadn't done enough. Then my nose tickled and started running and I felt sneezy. Now my nose feels abit burning inside but I feel ok.

Good luck everyone with scans today. Choco how did you get on?

Spanishlady you sound like a lovely friend. All good ideas do far. Make sure the films aren't about babies ie not sex and the city for example! I'd agree with offering to spend time with your friend if she feels like it and listening without telling her that it will be ok if she relaxes. It's hard to keep hearing that.

On that note welcome Argh! You are in the right place for support. Hang out with us for abit and hopefully you will feel better. I've also been quite stressed about it all but feeling much better now I've begun. (today is my 1st day of long protocol).

Damn it re the Mormon tickets. I was going to get some today. It was such a good idea. Finally a musical that DP would go to!

Hope everyone else is ok. Sorry for not name checking all. I'd better get back but I'm thinking of you all.

Shaz x

Sharonbenn Thu 28-Feb-13 12:45:03

Hi Scarlett

I'm on a no dairy diet so I've been taking Hemp powder instead. It makes my cereal taste like wet sand. God I long for full fat dairy ice cream!

Nokkie73 Thu 28-Feb-13 13:02:05

Happy lunch y'all

honts noo yoik is totes amazeballs. Myself and Mr Noks spent our birthdays there a few years ago and had a wicked time. Have yourself a blast AND a glass of champers too.

shazza we were keeping your sear warm anyway luv. How are you feeling, apart from euphoric and generally fabulous ? grin. It's exciting, isn't it ? X

spanishlady what a lovely thought. I have to say that the people who have supported me the most are the ones who give you a little but of time to either talk, rant, rave, laugh, cry or just listen. I know you can't wrap it up but time is one of the best things you can give to your friend. X

euro the website is totally pants for trying to book tickets. The theatre isn't that far away from where I work so I may take a walk down there next week. Dd you want me to let you know how I get in ? How's you today ? X

argh hello ! You've come to the right place for handholding ! Xx

scarlett you have got to be kidding me right ? I've got acu on Sat so will ask mine then...but will defo have some full fat ice cream and some cheese on my pasta in the meantime, just to make sure i need no encouragement to be a greedy bitch

Hope you're doing well girls. Hi to the rest of the gang.

Noks x

Nokkie73 Thu 28-Feb-13 13:03:18

euro f'king typo. I will get IN through the door I suspect. I will let you know how I get ON if you like ! X

ScarlettInSpace Thu 28-Feb-13 13:17:34

Noks there was also a load of guff about adjusting your diet to allow for the extra fat/calories in ful fat cheese etc but to be honest I stopped listening after she said Ice Cream grin

shaz No dairy - omg I think I would actually die without cheese grin

ScarlettInSpace Thu 28-Feb-13 13:20:14

spanish I agree with what everone has said, I'd add the opportunity to go and do something completely unrelated one afternoon maybe. This tends to take over your life, and i don't know about anyone else but I bore myself talking/thinking about it all sometimes tbh!

Nokkie73 Thu 28-Feb-13 13:24:35

scarlett brilliant. Have just laughed out loud. I would be exactly the same as you. 'La la la la ICE CREAM la la la la CHEESE la la la la'.

EuroShaggleton Thu 28-Feb-13 13:48:18

Hello Argh! I'm glad you found us.

Yes thanks nok.

I'm also no dairy (well small amounts now). I developed an intolerance after practically living on cheese as a poor veggie student. I am now at the point where I am reintroducing small amounts in the safety of my own home.

Well ladies, I am just back from my scan and it is not good news. The sac is visible but it's about half the size it should be for 6 weeks. I have a rescan booked for a week's time, but I think I know how this one ends. Am back at work and trying to hold it together so please don't say anything to make me cry!

I hope Dildals has a better report to give. x

Sharonbenn Thu 28-Feb-13 14:01:05

Euro I've made another trip to the loo. I'm not going to say anything. Well ok just a little something. Be strong. It's not over yet. Your little one is hanging on in there and they will look after you both. Big love xx

ScarlettInSpace Thu 28-Feb-13 14:18:47

<gives euro a man-like non-emotional pat on the shoulder so as not to bring on tears at work> xx

euro you're just over 6 weeks, right? V v early, I bet it can catch up. Otherwise stiff upper lip and all that although I have certainly cried at work before, more than once and for much less important reasons!

Northey Thu 28-Feb-13 14:58:45

Oh God, euro. Nothing we can donon these situations but wait, hope for the best and prepare for the worst. I wish I knew what to say.

ScarlettInSpace Thu 28-Feb-13 15:14:53

hope for the best, prepare for the worst

I heard this on the TV the other day and decided it was going to be my motto for this bout of IVF...

Dildals Thu 28-Feb-13 16:20:58

Hi euro, sorry to hear that, I have been there before, it's not a nice place to be. I just went home today after the scan, I couldn't face sitting at work, whichever way the dice were going to fall.

I do have some good news to share though. This place is like a soap, joy and grief are so close together. I had my scan today at 7+5 and we saw 2 little heartbeats fluttering. We are still in shock. We had discussed the possibility of twins, DH always wanted more than 1 child, I wasn't going to get any younger, and you get only one shot on the NHS (whatever NICE says). In the end we decided to take the advice from the clinic. They advised to place back 2. One grade 1 and one grade 3BB. Now I haven't researched this but I don't think that's particularly good grades (which will save us fees on public school then) but they seem to have done alright. The nurse said they both looked good and were in a good place. One is a bit smaller than the other and both of them show smaller than 7+5, but at that size I reckon we should cut them some slack. Oh and I have pictures too! :-)

I had myself totally convinced it wasn't going to be twins, because I haven't been that nauseous at all, no vomiting, nothing. My GP previously had said 'you'll know about it when it's twins ....'.

Still acutely aware of all the things that can go wrong but it is a major hurdle successfully scaled, next up 12 week scan. On the phone to my GP as we speak!

EuroShaggleton Thu 28-Feb-13 16:29:49

Dildals twins! Blimey. I'm so glad it was good news. x

Sharonbenn Thu 28-Feb-13 16:37:28

Oh wow dildals twins! How exciting. AND you have pictures. I'm really thrilled for you. Congratulations. Xx

Dildals- yay! How wonderful. I read somewhere that if they see a heartbeat at 7 weeks the chance of mc if you have no bleeding drops to less than 5%. So you should be very reassured. And the instant family will be a plus in the long term!

What a game of chance this all is.

ScarlettInSpace Thu 28-Feb-13 16:52:05

This thread twists and turns like a twisty turny thing.

fab new dildals huge congrats!

chocoloco1 Thu 28-Feb-13 17:34:05

Hang on in there euro

Good news dildals

Had egg collection today and they got 1 egg. Now have the hideous wait to find out whether it fertilises. Any positive thoughts and crossed body parts very welcome.

Sorry for no other mentions, just got to get through to 8 tomorrow morning.

Sharonbenn Thu 28-Feb-13 17:37:22

Choco! I've been thinking of you today. Sending you loads of positive thoughts. Are you having ICSI or are the swimmers going for it as we speak? Oh I REALLY hope they are Olympic athletes smile. Fingers, toes, eyes everything crossed for you. X

chocoloco1 Thu 28-Feb-13 18:01:56

Thanks so much Shazza, and glad the sniffing is going ok. It's ICSI. The things we put ourselves through!

EuroShaggleton Thu 28-Feb-13 18:33:18

Sending your embie fertilising vibes choco. How did you find EC?

chocoloco1 Thu 28-Feb-13 18:39:01

Thanks euro Ec ok, made easier by the lovely, lovely nurses at our clinic. Keep your chin up, hope you're o

chocoloco1 Thu 28-Feb-13 18:39:23


Sharonbenn Thu 28-Feb-13 19:01:38

What clinic are you at choco? Sorry if I've missed it.

vallinnapod Thu 28-Feb-13 20:06:04

Wow Dildals fantastic news grin

Fingers crossed choco!

Arghhelp Thu 28-Feb-13 20:50:09

Oh dear...am completely lost...I cant even find myself on this thread it is moving so fast...haha smile

Arghhelp Thu 28-Feb-13 21:34:21

Good luck chocoloco....we have to do ICSI too. Congrats Dildals...fantastic... smile Am sorry but I am a little lost here...did you do IVF or ICSI?

HontyTont Thu 28-Feb-13 22:31:42

A huge NY wave to you all.....it's been fab so far, going out for dinner in a couple of hours and want to get a bit of kip before, but also wanted to catch up on events of today

I'm going to be brief so apologies for not name checking everyone

euro hang in there....I'd dont hear the fat lady singing
dildals amazing amazing news...huge congrats
choco it only takes one! Fingers crossed you get fertilisation
north tomorrow is OTD right? I will be thinking of you and checking in when I can

I'm struggling with timings for my drugs....today I have kept to UK times but will have to switch to NY times for tomorrow otherwise will be getting up at 2am for bum bullet insertion! Is that right? It just feels odd that its only 5.30 here and I won't be taking anything now until I get up tomorrow around 9.....I hope that's right. If anyone has any advice please let me know.

Going to have a glass of bubble tonight...have managed to stay away from the pee sticks...am going to buy some here to bring home for OTD though. I'm tempted to test on Saturday DHs birthday... 4 days before OTD...what do you think?

Will be off to distract myself further tomorrow and bag some bargains at Century 21


Nokkie73 Thu 28-Feb-13 22:42:40


Feck I'm bored. Mr Noks is at work and even the cat has buggered off upstairs, so I'm drinking my 15th glass of squash and trawling through the Sky+ box for stuff to watch. Pfff.


euro try to keep the faith. You've come this far so until they tell you it's over, it's most definitely not. thanks xx

dildals woweee. Lovely news. Well done ! Am so pleased for you and Mr D. Rest-up and take care if yourself and the little ones. Xx

choco all it takes is one ! Will be thinking of you tomorrow morning and am sending your little one all the baby dust I can find. Let us know how you get on. Xx

shazza how are you feeling after sniff number 2 ? All ok ? Hope so. Xx

North, fairy, arghh, valinn and all the rest of the cool cats on the thread HELLO !

I have my scan at 4pm tomorrow to see if I'm ready to go onto stimms. I have been told to take my Gonal f pen with me but am a bit confused as it's supposed to be refrigerated. Can anyone shed any light on this for me ?

Noks x

Nokkie73 Thu 28-Feb-13 22:44:31

hont hello ! Hope NYC is treating you well. Enjoy that glass of fizz and if you do decide to test, best of British ! Xx

Sharonbenn Thu 28-Feb-13 23:21:24

Hello everyone

Noks, I asked about the refrigeration thing cause Guys told me to take the gonal f pen as well to my next appt on the 18th. She said to put it in the fancy purple bag that the drugs came in with an ice block if you have one. If not, maybe anything frozen....fish?! That would be hilarious if you got out a nice piece of cod before your pen!! Mind you then your fancy drugs bag would smell of fish which is not a good look.

I know this sounds abit ridiculous cause how could I possibly cock up something so simple but I think I'm doing the spray wrong. I'm full of resolve to give it a really forceful squirt then it takes me by surprise and only a little bit comes out. And sort of 2 squirts went in one side. A plus is that my nose definitely feels odd and abit burning so something is going in. How long did you all DR for? I've got 19 days is that normal?

Argh - don't worry you will catch up. I lurked around for ages until I caught up. Mainly cause I'm a few weeks behind everyone else and I didn't know what they were talking about. But today I imagined not having found this thread and doing this completely on my own. Luckily I didn't dwell on that thought for long. I'm really happy to be in this wolf pack as Noks would say grin

Oops long post. Why use 5 words when 50 will do!

Hello everyone else. Hope you are all ok.

Shaz xx

Sharonbenn Thu 28-Feb-13 23:24:15

Honty glad you arrived safe and sound. Enjoy the champers and good luck if you decide to test. Happy birthday to mr h! X

Nokkie73 Fri 01-Mar-13 00:28:23

shazzamatazza I do know what you mean about the whole squirting thing. I expected it to be much more dramatic than it actually is. It's quite a small squirt of liquid and you do 't imagine something so innocuous can wreak so much chaos and destruction.....but it soooooooo can ! Keep doing what you're doing. I found it all a bit of an anti-climax the first few times but once the symptoms kick in, you'll realise that it's working ! I promise. I'm on it for 14 days but I guess I'll have to wait until tomorrow to see if they want to keep me on it for a bit longer. As to whether or not 19 days is normal, the only rules here, as Sir Bradley Pitt said in Fight Club, are that there are no rules. Guys seem to know what they're doing so just go with what they say. If you're unsure, do ask them why. That's what they're there for and never feel like you're bothering them or asking a silly question.

I checked with the consultant about the pen and he said it's fine to take it out of the fridge along to the appointment at 4pm. I'm going to pop it into my Pimms cool box (I know, I'm so achingly hip and trendy hmm ). I'll, um, leave the fishy ice block if you don't mind ! grin

Speak in the morning Hun.

Nite nite.

Noks x

keepitgoing Fri 01-Mar-13 02:24:25

Hi Argh welcome! I'm here, but live in Thailand at the moment, so post at random times... Don't fret, we'll get you through. One step at a time is my motto (along with 'it only takes one' and 'hope for the best, prepare for the worst'). My next step is scan tomorrow - I started stimming on Tuesday - so I'm just concentrating on that or it's too overwhelming.

euro, oh god, I am so sorry. What a horrible situation, and now you have to wait a week. We are all praying to everything that Barry is just on the small side. I'm thinking of you and your dh.

choco well done on the egg. iOTO. This first phone call must be awful to wait for!

dildals twins!!! Omg congratulations!!

Northey Fri 01-Mar-13 05:14:10

Good luck choco and congratulations dildals.

Just popping in to say its still bfn at 10dp5dt. Breasts pretty normal. Not holding out much hope for OTD tomorrow.

keepitgoing Fri 01-Mar-13 05:35:06

Oh bugger, north. I'm so sorry x

Northey Fri 01-Mar-13 05:38:01

At least we have four frozen (albeit fractionally below the clinic's freezing criteria).

Anyone know if clinics tend to let you go straight from a short protocol cycle in to a FET one? Or will I have to wait 3 months or something?

keepitgoing Fri 01-Mar-13 06:16:21

Yes, that's brilliant, and dildals 3bb is doing well.

My clinic told me I could do a FET the very next cycle, (im not that positive...) but I'm in Thailand so NHS might be different. Anyway, shows it's possible.

Are you OK? What about your dh?

keepitgoing Fri 01-Mar-13 06:17:33

I meant I'm not positive about my cycle, but that is def what they said. I just like to have a plan in case it doesn't work.

chocoloco1 Fri 01-Mar-13 07:22:16

Sorry to hear about BFN northey, but it's not over yet.

Well, embryologist called early, to give us good news. The little beauty fertilised! Will get a call later today and probably have a 2 day transfer tomorrow. Thank you so much for all your positive thoughts x

vallinnapod Fri 01-Mar-13 07:26:38

Me too Northey. 13dpec (if EC had occurred...) Can't help but think that that is the unmistakable sound of the fat lady warming up.

Northey Fri 01-Mar-13 07:27:43

Congratulations, choco - great news.

Thanks kig, I am ok. It helps to be working out what I can do next and when.

Northey Fri 01-Mar-13 07:28:34

Oh crap, van. I'm sorry sad

Sharonbenn Fri 01-Mar-13 08:25:59

Morning girls

Norf and Vall bugger I'm really sorry. How disappointing after everything. Take it easy both of you. I can only imagine how you are feeling. I know the fear in my own head of it not working and it doesn't feel like its going to be an easy place. I'm thinking of you.

Norf I'm sure the nurse at Guys said that if we were lucky enough to get an embie to freeze, we wouldn't have to wait 3 months to do a FET but I can't remember how long we would have to wait. Oh I really feel for you both so much.

Choco - that's amazing. Your little one came through and will be tucked up inside you very soon. You must be soooo relieved to get over that hurdle.

Noks thanks for the encouragement. Today's squirt didn't go much better. I think I'm going to do a little one into the air tonight just to reassure myself that something does actually come out. Good luck for this afternoon. Fingers crossed you start stimming today. Pure class taking the pen in a pimms cool bag xx

I got the tell tale 'a week before my period is due my period is coming' sign this morning so I know for def that our last ditch attempt at trying naturally didn't work. Ah well we are on our way now.

How is everyone else?

Did anyone notice how light it was this morning? Daylight at 6.30. Thank goodness.

Have a good day all.

Shazza xx

Dildals Fri 01-Mar-13 10:47:47

Really sorry for you northey and vallina .... It's such a game of chance isn't it.

After the elation of yesterday I am, to use the technical term, freaking out about the thought of twins. I am not sure why, there's nothing in particular, it's just the whole thought that is so completely and utterly overwhelming. A couple of weeks ago I wasn't pregnant and now I am all of a sudden pregnant with twins!? WTF. I guess it is totally normal to freak out, who wouldn't really. Before I met DH I didn't even really want children, I am not really good with children either, and now I will have TWO?! EEK. (I do want children with my DH btw, because he's AWESOME and incredibly handsome ;-. He was also a complete tearaway when he was little, which worries me a slightly!).

When I was pregnant before (which sadly ended in a missed miscarriage) I immediately felt attached and really protective of 'Barry'. But with this pregnancy, I feel like I am holding out on really believing it until the next hurdle, because it's IVF it just feels much more precarious for some reason. Now I worry I am not bonding. Am I worrying too much?

Sorry to post this, while there are people that have BFNs, I realise me and Fairy are the only ones left with BFPs ... sorry if this is painful for people ... this thread is a bit of a rollercoaster isn't.

Sharonbenn Fri 01-Mar-13 11:09:11

Hello dildals

Im v quiet at work and no boss so can reply today.
ivf seems to be a roller coaster and this thread reflects that sad reality. Thank goodness we can support eachother. It is inconceivable to me now that I could possibly do this on my own so thank you girls.

Euro is also with you and fairy and we are all aware that it is a roll of the dice unfortunately. We are here to support you.

I imagine that it is normal to panic about having a child let alone 2 at once. I know that mr S and i are really worried about it But you will cope and I'm sure your twins will be a delight as soon as you clap eyes on them. Don't worry about bonding. You have 9 months of carrying them. I'm sure all 3 of you will be well acquainted by the time they pop out smile.

I understand that you are hesitant but for today try to relax and enjoy having them on board.

Have a lovely day

Shaz xx

Dildals Fri 01-Mar-13 11:39:52

Thanks Shazza - just need a voice of reason today :-)

Sharonbenn Fri 01-Mar-13 11:43:19

Pleasure any time. I just need to take my own advice now.

Ps IF I find myself in the position of having twins and am having kittens at the idea, you have my permission to cut and paste the below and send it back to me in huge red letters grin x

Hi dildals don't worry, i feel very similar. I was nosing around the oct antenatal club thread and many of the women there have named their embryo and are discussing cloth vs disposable nappies and I don't feel anything like that at all. I expected to feel ecstatic to get to this stage and although I am on a rational level pleased I don't feel very relaxed or happy. But I felt similarly with DS because he came at absolutely the wrong time for my career and I was terrified I would get sacked as soon as my preg became known(although I know they can't legally do that).

But once I got to about 16 weeks and felt him kicking and stopped feeling pukey I became really happy. I think it's really hard to bond when you honestly just feel as though you have a weird minor flu for weeks on end. But it will come. As you say as it is ivf and we know from others on the thread how lucky we are it is really difficult to relax.

I also understand fears re twins particularly if you were not previously mad keen on a brood but once you have them you will feel as though they are the most wonderful creatures ever. Even if you are almost dead with exhaustion.

I don't mean to sound preachy but I am feeling the same way so don't worry.

HontyTont Fri 01-Mar-13 12:20:50

Morning all...

north and van how are you both...is the fat lady signing or is there still a chance?

I was going to to a test this morning but ran to the loo to wee to stop myself...maybe to tomorrow, but I'm scared. At least while you don't know there is still hope...although I feel absolutely nothing, no different to a normal cycle so I'm trying to prepare for the worst.

choco woohoo for your little embie...I had 2 collected, they saw one initially fertilised so that was going back in on day 2...then they saw cell division on the second one so thought it was a lower grade and worth putting in so I had both at day 2....good luck! The only problem with day 2 is its a bloody long wait till OTD! I transferred same day as North and her OTD is today....mine is Wednesday!

argh it's good to have you on board....this lovely bunch are an absolute diamond group of ladies

dils I'm not surprised you are freaked! I would be....but it's also the most precious news...treasure it

<wave to everyone else> I'm off to Pastis for breakfast.....eggs benedict I think or maybe French toast (oh yes that's the other thing my transfer doc told me to carry on eating as normal...no pregnancy diet I.e runny eggs are ok....anyone else been told that?

Have a lovely day folks xxx

HontyTont Fri 01-Mar-13 12:23:21

Thanks for birthday wishes for Mr H too....he was very touched when I told him....40th tomorrow and maybe me POAS.....

Dildals Fri 01-Mar-13 13:24:57

hontytont Don't have any Pastis for breakfast though!

I didn't get told anything about diet I think. I did have runny eggs the other day ... oops

Thanks for the encouraging words fairy it's not preachy, it's exactly what I want to hear! Keep on preaching!

Did any of you research taking baby aspirin by the way?

EuroShaggleton Fri 01-Mar-13 13:44:44

My clinic puts everyone on low dose aspirin as standard so I was on it. I think it was pointless for me as all of clotting tests were clear, but I figured it couldn't hurt.

Sharonbenn Fri 01-Mar-13 14:16:56

When are we supposed to take baby aspirin? I have seen it mentioned in other things I've read.

Glad you are having a good time Honty. Have some eggs for me runny or otherwise. I'm really missing a nice fried egg sarnie. Damn these food intolerances. X

Dildals Fri 01-Mar-13 14:47:57

I think it is supposed to help a) with implantation b) something around the 9/10 week mark when the placenta takes over. I asked the nurse, but don't think they're a big believer. I might start taking it, if it doesn't hurt.

Dildals Fri 01-Mar-13 14:50:52


Dildals Fri 01-Mar-13 15:06:31

euro until when were you supposed to take it?

Sharonbenn Fri 01-Mar-13 15:08:20

Thanks dildals. I'll check it out. And ask at Guys.

Did anyone try eating pineapple core after ET? I've been reading about that as well to help implantation. To be honest I'm finding that I'm bored of googling now. The time has come to trust that I'm doing my best and can't do anymore.

Dildals Fri 01-Mar-13 15:22:57

sharon I am with guys - but yeah, ask, it will be interesting to see what she says.

EuroShaggleton Fri 01-Mar-13 15:28:51

I was asked to start from the night of EC day. I don't think they want you taking it before EC as it thins the blood and makes you bleed more - not ideal when someone is shoving a knitting needle through your fanjo! I had previously taken it throughout my cycle when trying Letrozole last year.

sharon pineapple is pretty controversial. Some countries say you should avoid it if pg.

Dildals Fri 01-Mar-13 15:39:48

euro and until when are you supposed to take it? End of first trimester?

Sharonbenn Fri 01-Mar-13 15:40:06

Thanks dildals and euro.

Dildals I didn't realise you ate with guys as well. Yay for guys!

Sharonbenn Fri 01-Mar-13 15:40:45

ARE with guys not ate with guys grin

EuroShaggleton Fri 01-Mar-13 15:47:51

Dildals I guess I'll never find out. I asked yesterday and they said just to keep on the prog and aspirin until the next scanand didn't discuss beyond that.

I've heard of people with recurrrent m/c taking it right through, until 30+ weeks, stopping before there is any possibility of delivering (again because of the bleeding risk).

ScarlettInSpace Fri 01-Mar-13 19:30:33

Hi everyone sorry for mememe post but am on phone which is pita to type on!

Today I've started to get Stabby pains all over my belly is this normal on day 4 of stims? And should i take this as a sign the stims are doing their job? Or is it a bad sign and they will stop me at scan tomorrow? Also my tummy has swelled up, i look about 6 months preggo blush

Headaches and nausea too which i was expecting...

I really don't want another abandoned cycle! I'm trying to tell myself these are good things!

HontyTont Fri 01-Mar-13 19:57:15

I'm on baby aspirin and fragmin...it's to help with implantation apparently...if I'm pregnant have to keep taking the fragmin until 10 weeks! Nor sure if I need to continue the baby aspirin though. I've never asked if they put me on it for a reason or if all their IVFers have it....

Just spent a fortune in century 21! Not many clothes as hoping wont be able to fit into mine soon!

Dildals Fri 01-Mar-13 20:42:49

scarlett belly defo swells up but i didn't get this already at day 4 tbh. Just go for your scan tomoz and perhaps they'll lower your dose of stimms. Good luck!

Sharonbenn Fri 01-Mar-13 20:49:56

hello everyone

Good luck for tomorrow Scarlett.

Well done Honty. Bargains galore! Have you decided what you are going to do tomorrow re testing?

Noks how did you get on today? Are you stimming?smile

Choco have you got ET tomorrow? Best of luck for it.

Euro are you feeling better after yesterday?

Northey and Vall how are you both? Thinking of you.

Did anyone else have appts today or tomorrow?

Sniff no. 4 was much better. I'm getting the hang of it and I reckon some definitely went in tonight.


EuroShaggleton Fri 01-Mar-13 20:59:19

Scarlett I can't help re: stims. I never got that far on my medicated cycle, but it sounds like a good sign that something is happening.

I'm glad the sniffing is getting better, Sharon.

NY shopping honty - I'm very envious.

choco hurrah for fertilisation and good luck for ET.

Dildals I think most people who find out it's twins feel daunted. The beauty of pregnancy is that you have months to get used to the idea before you have to deal with the practicalities!

As for me, I am pretty sure it's over. I've had some mild cramping and just don't feel pregnant anymore. In fact, I feel exactly like I usually do a few days before my period arrives. I reckon it's only the cyclogest stopping the bleeding. At this point I'd just like to get it over and done with.

ScarlettInSpace Fri 01-Mar-13 21:42:27

Thanks sharon sniffing is prob the same as jabbing, every day I get a bit slicker at it wink

dildal in my usual drama queen manner it didn't occur to me they may lower stims, oh no, I jump straight to abandoned cycle blush

euro sorry you feel like that, I've seen so many people say the same on this board over the last 2 years and it come good in the end so I'm going to stay blindly optimistic on your behalf grin

Big love to delilah if you're still lurking x

Sharonbenn Fri 01-Mar-13 21:44:50

I'm with Scarlett Euro. Let's stay optimistic. love xx

HontyTont Fri 01-Mar-13 23:50:12

I'm with scarlett and Sharon.....positive vibes euro

north are you ok?

van how about you?

scarlett you are on full dose stimms right? I think they will lower your dose too...I got bloated but towards the end and could actually feel my ovaries (or thought I could) was very weird!

sharon have decided I'm going to test tomorrow...it will be 11dpet and 13dpec.....I really don't think I'm pregnant so I just want to know now...the only thing is I will find it difficult to keep stabbing myself with the fragmin if I get a negative....sad

So bought a lovely pair of boots....and am currently sitting in the soho house club by the fire sipping a glass of rosé and eating sweet potato chips blush

keepitgoing Sat 02-Mar-13 04:46:49

euro you were also convinced it'd be a bfn... I'm so sorry you're going through this, but am not writing Barry off.

Scarlett I only feel tired so far, but am on a lower dose.

honty glad you're enjoying NYC. Good luck testing this morning.

shaz glad you're getting better at sniffing. Any side effects yet?

So I had my first scan, and have ten follies at 9-12mm, and lining at 5.9mm. So am keeping on the same dose, adding something to stop early ovulation, and going back on Tuesday. EC likely thurs-sat!! I have oestrogen level of 1100 which is high, but poss due to the number of follies. Does anyone know? The doc was unclear.

Northey Sat 02-Mar-13 06:01:02

Did you test, hont? Result???

I am reporting in with an official test day bfn, as expected. Will phone the clinic in a couple of hours. Can't be arsed with pessaries - do you reckon I'm allowed to stop now?

Great follicular performance, keepitgoing! Ten at the same stage is a great number. Is your ovulation-stopping drug a powder to mix? I hated that one as I had to do it first thing in the morning, just when I'm at my most cack-handed!

Northey Sat 02-Mar-13 06:04:41

PS Was today your OTD as well, valinna? How did you get on?

chocoloco1 Sat 02-Mar-13 06:06:08

northey really sorry to hear about the bfn. Look after yourself. X

Northey Sat 02-Mar-13 06:15:56

This morning's coffee is going to be proper caffeine-heavy stuff. And I'm having a very hot bath as well (partly because I have missed them and partly because I am desperate to get the peasant residue properly boiled off me - showering simply isn't cutting it).

keepitgoing Sat 02-Mar-13 06:35:08

Poobums north. At least it's the weekend and you're with dh. Hope the clinic let you do FET asap, it seems some take ages for a cycle review appt. Enjoy your bath, coffee, wine later. And I'm sure clinic'll say to stop the pessaries.

I've a feeling vals otd is wed?

keepitgoing Sat 02-Mar-13 06:37:50

PS thanks for the reassurance. I'm worrying about everything... This is tough.

Northey Sat 02-Mar-13 06:48:17

Peasant residue? I meant pessary residue, obviously. I have not web shoving peasants up there.

keepitgoing Sat 02-Mar-13 06:54:11

grin that'd have been a squeeze

Northey Sat 02-Mar-13 06:56:12

Depressingly, probably not, after all the speculum and dildocam action that's been going on up there.

keepitgoing Sat 02-Mar-13 07:01:50

Least you get your fanjo to yourself for a few weeks.

<tries to dig the bright side out of the depths of night. Fails.>


Sharonbenn Sat 02-Mar-13 07:36:47

Morning ladies

I had to get up early on a Saturday to take the dreaded drug. Oh well.

Northey I'm really sorry. That is gutting. This was your first go wasn't it? Properly pants. I hope you can have a go with your frosties soon. What did you say, like having a shag and a glass of wine? Look after yourself today. I must admit to laughing outloud to the peasants. Enjoy your coffee. Much love to you and Mr N.

Vall how are you doing? Love. Xx

Keep excellent follie action! Do you feel like you are bursting? I've never understood how one's ovaries can accommodate so much out of the ordinary growth. They must grow to the size of grapefruits!

It is all so worrying isn't it? At every step. My latest is that I won't respond to the DR and I'll have to do it for longer and all my nicely timed annual leave will be wrong. Today I vow NOT to read any google stories. Especially those articles that were published in the daily mail or the sun like a very unhelpful negative sensationalist ivf diary that I came across yesterday.

Choco are you ET today?


Great purchasing power Honty. I know SH London v well. Would be funny if we have already met in RL. Good luck with testing today and MrHs bday.

Scarlett good luck with scan.

Fairy, euro, dildals how are you all feeling?

Argh how are you?

Del if you are reading love to you too.

I'm off to eat gluten, egg, dairy free cake. Purely medicinal you understand to take away the taste of the spray.


vallinnapod Sat 02-Mar-13 07:53:21

Seems very high Hont. I have PCOS therefore a stupid number of largish follicles by your stage. They stimmed me really slowly to prevent OHSS (stimmed for over 3 weeks in the end). I hovered around the late 800s and when I did go into the 1000s (after a dose increase) they reduced my does again.

Northy huge hugs my darling. I am currently lying in bed with my legs crossed not wanting to POAS (OTD Monday) but really knowing I will and the shitty one line that will stare back at me. In fact I went out for dinner last night and had a martini and two glasses of wine....

To top it all I feel hideous. DS has a really high temperature so we have been worried about him all night and I feel beyond shocking. Achy head and neck, and a cough I need to clear but can't as every time I try it is like someone ripping a plaster off the inside of my lungs hmm

Also feeling very woe is me as the bloody drugs I am on are making me feel pregnant...achy boobs, bloated etc. IVF is a shitty cruel process really.

Going to have to get up soon as this is a real test if my pelvic floor!

EuroShaggleton Sat 02-Mar-13 09:40:29

keep well-spotted! TBH, it is only how completely wrong I was about the BFN that is making me think there is a small chance it might not be over. Great follie growing!

honty noo boots and wine - sounds awesome. smile

Heh@peasant residue! I'm so sorry it was a BFN Norf.

My plans for the day have fallen through - I was supposed to be going round to see my bf, and celebrate the birthday of her 2 yr old twins. Unfortunately her other child has come down with a gastro bug this morning and she is worried it is noro, so has cancelled. Mr Euro is going shooting (I declined as I decided not to shoot while pregnant). So I have the day to myself. Need to think of something to do to stop myself brooding. Maybe cinema. I haven't been on my own for years.

vallinnapod Sat 02-Mar-13 09:59:13

Oh Euro I luuuurrrvvveee the cinema, by myself or otherwise. I used to easily do 3 films a day if DH was away blush bloody expensive day mind!

BFN for me again. Strangely at peace with it today, maybe because I feel so physically crap. Spoke to the clinic yesterday to find out what would happen worst case scenario, I would have to wait a cycle. Which is fine, just a real bitch for me as I have to go back on the pill - I don't have periods otherwise - which will turn me into a frustrated psycho bitch. Interesting when the IVF drugs don't really impact me emotionally.

vallinnapod Sat 02-Mar-13 10:00:33

Sorry - the follicle comment earlier was for keepitgoing not honts...

Northey Sat 02-Mar-13 10:22:34

I am strangely at peace as well, vallinna. I think because now I can just accept that this is it, and I'd done the sadness in principle in advance.

Can I pick your brains about frozen cycles? Do they involve drugs, or is it more a monitor-and-insert-embryo-at-appropriate-moment thing? What is the pill for? And if my period starts now, it would be the cycl afterwards when I could crack on with frosties (ie halfway through April, assuming cycles are normal length)?

ScarlettInSpace Sat 02-Mar-13 10:24:06

northey maybe peasants up your fanjo is the answer after all... Sorry to hear about your result x

Quick update, ive definitely got 3, maybe a 4th but my ovary was hiding behind my bowel <hurl> 1 at 10mm the others at 12mm so looking good so far!

Nurse wad lovely and said at my age we should get good quality eggs so very optimistic, bless.

Kept dose same as it is working, back on Monday!

Northey Sat 02-Mar-13 10:27:35

I will suggest it at my cycle review appointment, scarlett and see what they say grin Well done on growing eggs!

EuroShaggleton Sat 02-Mar-13 10:29:07

val so sorry about the BFN, but I'm glad you feel at peace with it.

Norf I haven't done a frozen cycle but I "know" people on these boards who have. You have the choice of natural or medicated. For natural, you monitor when you are going to ovulate with pee sticks/scans and they put the embryo back 5 days after ovulation. For medicated, I'm not exactly sure what drugs they use.

Scarlett nice growing!

keepitgoing Sat 02-Mar-13 10:49:17

No, north, the ov stopping one is just a pre filled jabbing thing. And I do it at night with the others... scar are you on an ov-stopping one too?

Oh god, hont am now convinced I'll get ohss. Argh!
Doc said this new anti ov drug would stop it rising. Oh, the mentalling!!

shaz I don't feel bloated yet. Though do feel a bit different, just went swimming and it felt a bit odd. I'm always surprised how big follies are and the eggs are so small..

van so sorry.

north I assumed he meant we could do the very first cycle, ie mid march, for fet. You don't have to take the pill, they can just do it round your normal cycle and pop it in at the right point. Have you rung then?

Sharonbenn Sat 02-Mar-13 11:35:37

Vall I'm sorry that sounds like a rough situation. Is DS ok? You have so much in your plate with feeling physically illl also. Can DH look after both of you today? Keep warm and cosy if you can.

Scarlett well done on the developments 'down there'. its encouraging to know that things are going in the right direction.

Euro, enjoy your day to yourself.

I don't have any side effects to speak of. My nose feels funny and I'm aware of my abdomen but that is probably psychological. Oh and I snapped at DP last night but that was more to do with the fact that he was being really annoying rather than the drugs!

Love to all

Shazza xx

Northey Sat 02-Mar-13 11:46:19

Answer phone only on Saturdays, so I just hung up. Will write a email later, so I can include all the questions I'll want to discuss when they phone me back. Like when can I start again...

vallinnapod Sat 02-Mar-13 12:19:56

Northey at my clinic it is standard to have a cycle review after a failed cycle of any type. At mine the standard 'straight away' is to have this bleed and then start on the next one. They want to get your uterus back to normal.

There are two types of FET - natural and HRT. The medication during an HRT FET is solely to prep your lining. No bloods, all scans. I do not ovulate so I was always going to be on the HRT - and will need to take the pill to induce a bleed to get started (no ovulation = no period).

Protocols vary. A friend of mine had to down reg, I didn't. My only experience is of the HRT cycle. In my abandoned cycle I took oestrogen tablets for 9 days, was then scanned every 3 days. For most people this is enough (or they increase the number of tablets you take). For me, I didn't respond so they added oestrogen patches too. After a few days on these I started to spot so they abandoned the cycle.

This time I started straight on higher strength patches, then they added progynova and baby aspirin.

I guess after my review I will know the protocol for next time. I am guessing it will be the same - they may wait slightly longer to transfer to see if my lining does anything better than 6.5mm.


delilahbelle Sat 02-Mar-13 12:28:21

Northey valinna Euro keep your hopes up for the future and stay happy. We'll all get there in the end.

I'm being spoilt by everyone I know - lots of cards/flowers/chocolates/home-made baked goods/visits. Slightly surprised as I didn't really rate myself as having that many friends. DH being wonderful, hugging me when I need it and making me endless cups of tea - I have been told not to lift the kettle as it's too heavy, or do any housework for a couple of weeks so will be taking full advantage of this.

Slowly becoming more positive. We had takeaway pizza and wine with friends yesterday, and today I am enjoying a nice strong coffee - basically treating myself with the things you should avoid when pregnant.

So, after I'm recovered and have had 6 months to get physically fit, we may consider a FET in September/October time.

HontyTont Sat 02-Mar-13 14:08:55

Morning all

I did it and...BFN sad...DH is saying it is too early 4 days till OTD could change things...I not sure but will try and stay positive

north I'm really sorry for your BFN...on my letter from the clinic it says if you get a BFN on OTD then stop all drugs immediately. Here's to a successful FET cycle...lets look forward and be positive

van sorry to hear your news too...but still 2 days till OTD...

* keep* great number of follies Hun...

euro love having the day to myself....pamper yourself....enjoy!

Got to go and have breakfast DH tummy rumbling and it is his birthday....poor guy doesn't even get a birthday jump on his 40th blush


Nokkie73 Sat 02-Mar-13 17:14:45

Morning all

This post will be totally out if sync with the rat if the thread. I started it this morning but then had to leave it as was going to acupuncture and shopping with Mr Noks. I have just got back so I will finish this and catch-up with the thread in a bit.

Begorrah, wtf do they out in those drugs ? Been proper wiped out and didn't rise from my pit until 10am. Went to bf's last night has have been stuck in all week and, clearly now I'm old and drug addled (and NOT in a class A way) I couldn't handle the excitement and had to come in and go to bed. what a fucking lightweight you are


Northey - how are you doing ? Really so sorry to hear about your bfn honey. Was cheering loudly for you from the sidelines here. sad. I blame the bloody peasants. X

Keep - from shazza's post I take it you have follies the size of footballs ? Well done ! X

Valinn - am also really really sorry to hear about your bfn too. I was cheering just loudly for you too. X

Shazza - am here. Will catch-up in a bit.

Noks x

Nokkie73 Sat 02-Mar-13 17:16:51

Honty - just posted my ridiculously jet lagged post and have just seen yours. Am also really sorry for you too honey. Was hoping you would have had a transatlantic bfp. Nxx

Nokkie73 Sat 02-Mar-13 17:24:39

Delilah - great to hear from you and glad you're doing ok. Hopefully the sun will shine a bit brighter each day from now on.

Noks x

Nokkie73 Sat 02-Mar-13 17:36:06

Hi to everyone else and hope scans etc went well.

I had my scan yesterday i just love a fannycam up the khyber pass on a friday afternoon and am now on stimms. The nurse took me through how to inject and when she took the needle out of the case I was quite scared nearly laid a fucking egg, which is SO ironic. So after lots of muttering and pontificating needless twatting about the place I did it and it wasn't as bad as I thought. I still have to take the nasal spray twice a day to stop me from ovulating at the wrong time, which I didn't realise so am on my way. I very nearly laid my second egg of the session when she said EC could be as early as 9th March, which is a preposterous reaction, as that's the whole point of the exercise.

I have just done my second jab and that went well too.

So, here we all are then.....

Now, I'm going out with MR Noks for some Thai scran later and wondered if I should have a glass of red or not. What are your thoughts ?

Noks xx

EuroShaggleton Sat 02-Mar-13 17:50:28

delilah great to hear from you and wonderful that you have had so much support from those around you.

Nokkie I'm glad the jabbing is going well. I think after all the waiting we have done it is normal to have a "what, already???" reaction to getting to EC and ET. Most of us have had a very long slow journey to that point.

honty sorry about the BFN, but the fat lady is still sitting in the corner with duct tape over her mouth, so don't give up yet. Why no birthday jump for your hubby? Did the clinic put you on a sechs ban? Advice on that seems to vary hugely from place to place.

HontyTont Sat 02-Mar-13 18:17:25

sharon imagine if we have met in RL at soho house....

Nokkie73 Sat 02-Mar-13 18:17:43

Cheers Euro. I should have said 11th march, not 9th. I did have a word with myself though as I shouldn't have been that shocked!

How are you doing ? Xx

HontyTont Sat 02-Mar-13 18:27:04

Total sechs ban euro...apparently no orgasms until 7 wks if preggers!!!!

HontyTont Sat 02-Mar-13 18:28:49

Sorry I'm kind of dipping in and out hence the 1 line posts...off for a bike ride on the Hudson now and picnic on the pier...

noks have your glass of red and enjoy it


chocoloco1 Sat 02-Mar-13 18:47:18

Evening ladies!

shazza glad the sniffs are getting easier and you definitely need to stay away from google she says wisely, conveniently forgetting the googling I've been doing all afternoon especially DM.

delilah glad you're being well looked after. Take care.

euro have you had a nice chilled out day?

keep good news about your scan

hont boo to the bfn. New York sounds fab, have a great time!

scarlett good about the scan. They always refer to my 'swirling bowel' during scans <cringe>

val sorry about the bfn

noks the good ol' drugs do wipe you out. I can associate with being surprised it's happening so soon.

AFM, had my 2 day transfer today of my 3 cell embie and all seemed to go well. Have been resting and pottering this afternoon and just feeling really lucky still to have got this far. OTD 15th March, which is a standard 15dpec at our clinic.

Sorry if I've missed anyone.

Nokkie73 Sat 02-Mar-13 19:12:27

Well done choco ! You must be thrilled. I'll be sending you all the bambino dust I can lay my hands on. Nxx

Hont - that's all the validation I need. Ta ! Enjoy your picnic and bike ride !

keepitgoing Sun 03-Mar-13 06:35:26

honty I'm so sorry for the bfn. What a crappy day for pee sticks. I really hope it's just too early. Also shock at no orgasms till 7 weeks...

choco many congrats on ET. That must be a relief to get there - I have a lot of hurdles before then. Hope you have lots of plans for the hideous tww.

nok welcome to stimming! I'm also surprised at how quick it goes, am sure post EC will drag though. You'll likely be just a few days behind me.

Delilah lovely, glad you are being looked after so well. Don't hurry back to work.

euro I'm still hoping all will be well for you. Hope your day on your own was good. Sometimes I love them.

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 07:39:02

Morning ladies
I was off radar y'day, more of that in a bit.

Delilah so lovely to hear that you are feeling a little bit better. It will take a while but I'm glad you and DH have a more positive plan for the future. Loads of love to you both.

Honty NYC sounds amazing but I'm so sorry for the bfn. Fingers crossed it is abit too early for you. Can you hold out til OTD now? When are you back?

Noks yay well done for stimming. I was worried that we hadn't heard from you and maybe something awful had happened at the scan. But I was obsessed that day about reading about women who didn't respond to DR so there was abit of projection there. Phew! ( and I've stopped googling)

Choco great news you have your little one on board. That is so exciting. Keeping everything crossed.

North, Vall are you 2 ok?

Keep, scarlett, Fairy, euro, dildals hello to you all.

This is long but I just wanted to quickly tell you. Y'day I went to a memorial for a college friend. There were people who I hadn't seem for 20 yrs. whilst chatting, 1 woman mentioned her 3 yr old twins who she had fought so hard to get and of course I knew immediately. To cut a long story short. We ended up talking about it and she said she was successful on her 6th go. Blimey! I wasn't sure I would be ever be able to try for that long and everyone is different and of course finances are a massive sticking point for us but now my eyes are open to the fact that we should never give up. The whole afternoon taught me that life is for embracing and never giving up on your dreams. My friend who passed was a year older than me leaving 3 children under 4. It is tragic but it was such a positive and lovely afternoon. In a strange way I had a great day and feel full of positivity today. Sending some your way.

Love shaz xxxxx

EuroShaggleton Sun 03-Mar-13 08:01:34

honty We weren't told anything like that. Mind you, the ick of the cyclogest slowed us down considerably! I have to say though, the first proper sff in more than 2 years, high on preggo hormones was absolutely fucking amazing.

BTW, when I was horny as hell during the 2ww I stumbled across this thread www.fertilityfriends.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=9452.0 The advice given by clinics differs hugely. So I decided to just go for it. And it doesn't seem to have done any harm. Embarryo might not be developing properly, but he seems to be stuck fast.

Hurrah choco. And now the wait begins...

sharon - 6 goes. Wow. I'm not sure I will have the mental strength to keep going for that long. We said 3 natural/mild cycles in 6 months at the outset. It's not set in stone but for us it was good to have a set point where we would take a step back and reassess.

Thanks ladies. I did have a nice day yesterday. Went for a run, watched Three Colours: White and then Mr Euro and shooting friend came back for dinner in the evening. They caned their way through rather a lot of (my really nice) wine. I watched. I am 99% sure it's all over, but until I start bleeding I suppose I better act pregnant. Meh.

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 08:18:31

Hi euro
I know. In not sure I could manage 6. I'm just concentrating on this one. I had no plan beyond this go but now I know that I have to see it as potentially a longer journey and that all my eggs are not necessarily in this basket if you know what I mean.

I hope you are wrong about it being over. Barryo is hanging on in there. Here's to hoping he keeps on growing. smilex

Northey Sun 03-Mar-13 08:38:56

Well done choco! Are you going to test throughout the wait, or leave it till the end?

hont, are you testing again? Any news today?

euro, you sound remarkably restrained about the wine. I would have been very peeved to see my nice bottles disappearing.

I also had sff last night. It was whilst very drunk, so was rather... prolonged, but it was nice to do. We passed out before we could even clean up blush But hurrah for booze and hurrah for sex, both of which I think we really needed.

Nokkie73 Sun 03-Mar-13 08:43:21

Morning honeys

shazzamatazza step away from the interweb and do not google any more horror stories about down regging ! Naughty Shazza. Dr Google is soooo bad -yet strangely addictive also-- and can have you whipped up into a frenzy. And not in a good way. Sounds as though you had an interesting time at your friend's memorial - at least it didn't make you emotional in a counter-productive way (as we are all a but vulnerable at the moment). You never know, it could have been your friend's way of helping you to feel ok about what you're going through, even though she's not here anymore. I reckon many more people than we realise have had treatment and have had to fight to become parents so we shouldn't feel freakish or marginalised by needing a bit of a helping hand. I am glad you're feeling positive though which us a very bloody useful feeling to have when you're DR'ing !

euro don't give up hope yet. Embarryo may just be a slow developer. I have given the fat lady a voucher for Greggs and told her to do one for a bit on here. Srs. Am intrigued by the to orgasm/not to orgasm debate as it a bloody long time not to have one if all this goes to plan. I shall investigate further.

Happy Sunday y'all.

Noks x

Nokkie73 Sun 03-Mar-13 08:45:29

norf hurrah for raised blood alcohol levels and messy sexy times ! Am glad you did something for you and Mr Norf. X

ScarlettInSpace Sun 03-Mar-13 08:52:24

honty hope you're having fun - at least you have plenty to take your mind off it all a bit

choc woohoo 1 on board, everything crossed for you!

keep I started the ov-stopping one yesterday at the clinic, so now I have a 10am tummy jab and 2 x 8pm thigh jabs - feeling a tad pincushionesque!

northey typing out an email will help you get it into order in your head, sometimes I write things as a letter before I ring people re work so I know I've got all my points across...

sharon I don't think I've got 6 in me! If this doesn't work [#2] them maybe another at a later point in time but 6! Bless her though, good for her...

euro I read something once, I think it's a mantra for recurrent miscarriers, 'today, I am pregnant' which as it stands you are, maybe think of it that way each day for now?

AFM I have a delightfully hungover OH in bed stinking the room out with beer fumes and kebab farts hmm so I have taken my Sunday morning lie in to the sofa with the puppydog on my knee and penguins on the tv grin

I feel a bit like a gardener, I'm very proud of my growing follies and am thinking of new ways to encourage further growth and not let any fall behind grin

ScarlettInSpace Sun 03-Mar-13 08:55:30

Ps hello everyone else grin

keepitgoing Sun 03-Mar-13 09:17:27

6!! Wow Sharon. But goes to show it can be worth plugging or stabbing away.

Pin cushion here too, Scarlett esp after nurse botched up blood taking yesterday, so I had both arms and then two bits of the tummy. grin at you feeling proud of you lovely follies. What are you doing to encourage even growth? I'm just drinking and weeing loads, plus protein. BTW when's your EC likely to be? Dh boozed up? Grr, that's unfair smile

norf yay for booze etc,

I googled and some people say no sex from stimms to 8w, others say have sex night before ET, others to have sex night of the trigger, others no orgasms. What we need is a controlled orgasm trial!

ScarlettInSpace Sun 03-Mar-13 09:31:37

I have no idea if what I'm doing makes any difference but as well as lots of squash [which is nice hot too instead of tea] but I'm improvising on a morning latte using whole milk and decaf millicano, plus eating 2 eggs and at least 1 portion of cheese... And I'm taking maca & bees pollen as well as q10 and all the other normal supplements...

My friend brought round some ready made mocktails from sainsburys last night that were lovely btw, we had mojitos & peach bellinis grin

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 10:05:54

Please report back on your research findings noks smile.

There must have been something in the air last night. DP and I also did the deed but (TMI alert) I felt abit tender inside. Im only 4 days in but something definitely feels different inside.

What are all your plans for today? DP going to the studio so I'm at home, radio on, doing all the things I never get chance to do. List as long as my arm!

EuroShaggleton Sun 03-Mar-13 10:25:12

Nok I love the Greggs comment - brilliant.

I am really sceptical as to whether sex/orgasms can have any bad effect (although waiting a few days after ET for the cervix to close is probably not a bad idea because of the infection risk). Many people who get pg the traditional way don't know that they are pg for a few weeks so carry on as normal with no consequences. However, I have to say every time it happened, I did have a mental image of emBarryo shouting "EARTHQUAKE" and running for cover. smile

Scarlett I love the gardening analogy. I was strangely proud of my follie.

Thanks ladies. My (few) symptoms are fading. I only really had fizzy boobs and insomnia. The boobs are still painful but only in the way that they are during the 2ww, not like they were a week ago. The insomnia is also easing a bit. And the cramps started the day after the scan. They are not really getting worse, but I reckon it is only the cyclogest holding back the bleeding. The timing is a bit of a nightmare because I am supposed to be away for work for the next two weeks. If I am told to stop the cyclogest at my next scan on Thursday, I am going to have to cancel as I could miscarry at any point after that and I really don't want to be somewhere foreign where I don't speak the language and away from Mr Euro when it happens.

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 10:38:31

Oh euro that would be terrible. Can you avoid going away?

Dildals I've just remembered that my friend y'day said that when she finally found out she was pg after 6 goes her 1st thought was oh my god what have I done? Have we done the right thing? She felt guilty for that after all that time and effort (and money I'm guessing) so don't worry, what you are feeling is normal. I hope you are relaxing into it all anyway. X

ScarlettInSpace Sun 03-Mar-13 11:42:23

Um regarding a request from OH - would we say KFC is part of a high protein diet?

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 12:06:23

It's chicken, definitely! Especially with mayo (egg) and ketchup (cooked tomatoes good for lycopene antioxidants grin enjoy! Xx

EuroShaggleton Sun 03-Mar-13 12:18:19

I reckon it counts, scarlett.

(BTW to clarify my earlier post, I'm here this week, scan on Thurs, then supposed to do two trips - one the next week, and another to the US the week after. I'll wait for bleed/scan but I think I am going to have to cancel.)

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 12:35:09

Euro I reckon take it day by day and see what happens at the scan.Noks sent the fat lady to Greggs anyway so she's out of the picture for a while stuffing herself with pasties. smile

Nokkie73 Sun 03-Mar-13 12:49:00

That I have booted that fatty all the way to the pie shop and told her not to show her three chins around here ever again.

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 12:54:02

Brilliant well done Noks. We can all rest easy now smile. How's the dreading stabbing going? How many do you need to do a day? X

Nokkie73 Sun 03-Mar-13 13:17:37

Hmmmmmm, well it's not my favourite thing in the world but it's actually ok once the damn thing goes in fnarr. I am on one injection a day but quite a high dose I think (Gonal F 300).

How is the dreaded DR'ing going ? Are you feeling ok ? Make sure you drink plenty of water. Is Monsieur Shazza looking after you (obviously not right now because he's out but generally ) ?


Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 13:31:25

Funny you should say that cause I've got a headache today and am counting the number of pints I drink today. Weekdays I usually drink about 2 litres plus a couple of cups of herbal tea but at weekends it's less. How much am I supposed to be drinking? I'm weeing ALL the time! I also feel abit crampy but AF is due next week on the 6th so it could be that.

Mr S is being sweet. He keeps asking how I'm feeling.

I think I'm on the same dose of gonal f as you. I haven't thought that far ahead yet though. Blimey it feels like a mountain to climb sometimes doesn't it? Xx

Northey Sun 03-Mar-13 14:41:48

I was on 300 of Gonal F as well. It seems like a lot, but just wait for ovitrelle (if you are using that for your trigger). It is a whole pen in one go, and you are depressing that plunger for what seems like hours! Most unnerving...

I've started very lightly bleeding today (having stopped pessaries since yesterday morning), so I think my last tiny hopes of period not turning up and me getting a late positive from a blood test have pretty much died. I've emailed the clinic to report my bfn and ask how soon I can go onto a frozen cycle, and I guess they'll get back to me tomorrow.

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 14:53:42

Dear Northey to say I'm sorry just isn't enough. Keep strong and don't give up. It will happen one day if not this time xxxx

Nokkie73 Sun 03-Mar-13 16:44:50

norf I guess the fat lady snuck in when I wasn't looking eh ? Am really sorry to hear that. How many frosties do you have ? Yep, just checked n the fridge and it's otrivelle. It will now torture me until it's Trigger Time, which is like a shit Hammer Time I suspect.

shazza it 2-3 litres per day I think. I manage 2 litres of water but any more than that and it feels as though I spend half my life on the dunny.

A great big hello to everyone else lurking on this thread today. Any more goings on tomorrow to report in ?

Noks x

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 17:10:50

Oh I'm going every half hour at least at work. They must think I'm extremely weak bladdered. Nothing exciting to report for tomorrow from me. More sniffing. I'm getting good at it now.

ScarlettInSpace Sun 03-Mar-13 18:01:16

I'm on 450 Menopur, that's 6 powders so has to be done in 2 jabs. Plus now the cetrotide every morning to stop ov & the ovitrelle is chillin in the fridge grin

keep when have you been told to expect EC? I was sure it would be next Monday at earliest but at Acu today she thinks based on the size of follies yesterday and grow rate of 2mm/day we will be looking at Friday or Saturday morning! it's all so quick!

MewlingQuim Sun 03-Mar-13 18:55:39

Hi all, I've just had a quick scan through the thread, so much has happened since I was last here.

Hugs to delilah if your still lurking.

So sorry to hear about your bfn northey

We had our first consultation last week and we are starting icsi this month. Blood tests showed my FSH is still normal and the consultant did a scan to check for follicules, some were there but I didn't think there was as many as when I first started fertility treatment 4 years ago. I supposed that's to be expected now I'm 40 but it was still disappointing to see. No obvious cause found for our infertility again, but no natural conception in over 9 years ttc now. Still, DD proves that ICSI can work so fingers crossed it worked again.

Reading your stories brings back so many memories of our previous treatments, my fingers are crossed for you all too.

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 19:14:23

Gosh scarlett that is so much. Good news about EC tho. You are nearly through with the jabs! X

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 19:16:42

Hello Mewling nice to have you back. Do you know when you are starting? Are you down regging first? xx

HontyTont Sun 03-Mar-13 20:07:53

Hi all....all checked out and chilling in the soho club for a bit sipping a hot chocolate so thought I would catch up with you all.

Flight is at 9pm so we have a bit of a wait, but are going for dinner and also just gave DH his last surprise for his birthday which is we are flying home business so he was chuffed...shame I could give him a BFP as well.

I didn't test today and I'm going to hold out till OTD now...thanks noks for sending the fat lady away I hope she stays away and stuffs her face full of Greggs pasties!

north it must be horrible to see the first signs of it all being over...habg in their Hun, I have a feeling I will be joining you after Wednesday. At least you can console yourself with drunken sex! something I am missing...I can tell you! I know you would have preferred the alternative but it will happen

euro glad you ended up enjoying your day...you earthquake comment made me chuckle out loud! I think you should take it a day at at time until Thursday see what they say and then make your decisions....but I would totally cancel my trips...I wouldn't want to be away from home or DH, I am still holding onto the hope that Barry is going to have a major growth spurt!

sharon wow your follies are growing fast....brings you closer to stopping those jabs. Your friend memorial sounded really uplifting as well as inspirational, we all have to take our positive vibe from wherever we can get them

keep LMFAO at your controlled orgasm trial...can you get on with it and publish the results so my clinic will change their advice please!

dildals how are you doing is the news sinking yet?

delilah still thinking of you lovely if you are still lurking....it's good to hear you have a positive plan

choco I'm glad you have your embbie on board...fingers crossed for you

mew good luck with the ICSI...it's fantastic you already have a little one as a result so you know it can work

Who have I missed? Apologies to those I have....hope you are all having a lovely Sunday evening

Will be in touch either from the airport lounge or when I'm back from across the pond smile


Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 20:18:39

Safe trip back Honty. Enjoy SH NYC. Xx

Nokkie73 Sun 03-Mar-13 20:40:38

Evening all

hont safe journey back Hun. Am still keeping my fingers crossed for you that little Honty-o is hiding behind an organ and will put in a late appearance.

mew good luck for your ICSI.

Afm, I don't know whether to be cross or not and I'd be glad of a bit of Wolf Pack guidance. MIL has called a couple of times to speak to Mr Noks and she hasn't even asked to speak to me to see how I'm doing, or to see if I'm ok. Mr Noks had to go back oop norf last week for a funeral and I obviously spoke to him loads when he was there because i was feeling a bit crappy down regging, with MIL in the background, and again, she didn't ask to speak to me. I texted her to let her know Mr Noks got back safely and all I got back was a 'thanks for letting me know' text. She obviously knows that we've started ivf (as do all our family - saw no reason not to say anything) but it's like it's not happening. I don't know whether it not she feels a bit left out because my folks are funding us and she's 300 miles away, but I know that she has much more contact with my 'perfect' SIL who has had the first grandchild and is annoyingly nice fucking dull with a touch of the Stepford Wife about her and don't really want to cause any friction between Mr Noks and I by saying something but. Oh, I don't know, I just don't think it's on. We've had a good relationship up until now and I'm a bt confused by her reaction. Any thoughts, opinions, advice would be welcome.

Noks x

chocoloco1 Sun 03-Mar-13 20:44:55

Hello ladies, how are you all?

hont safe journey back and fingers crossed for Wednesday

keep look forward to hearing the results of the trial too. Am I supposed to feel horny in the 2ww? <blushes>

euro am still hoping for you

northey really sorry for you, I've been there and it's truly horrible

scarlett you sound like you're treating your follicles very well. I used a hot water bottle too during stims

shazza 2-3 litres of fluid sounds about right, if you can force it down

noks I think I was on 450iu

mewling good news about you getting started soon

AFM I don't seem to have done anything a lot today. I feel really dopey, but not really sure I can blame that on Thursday's anaesthetic. Far too early to start symptom spotting and have resolved not to test early (deluded). Have just had a major panic as I was reading the dosage instructions on the box that my gestone injections are in and I think I should have been using 2 vials per day and not 1-oops, will ring clinic in the morning to check. Does anyone have any gestone experience?

chocoloco1 Sun 03-Mar-13 20:51:02

noks maybe she doesn't want you to feel uncomfortable, and therefore hasn't mentioned it? Might she have asked Mr Noks how you're getting on? Families are a bit odd really, when I had my miscarriage a couple of years ago I couldn't understand my SIL not mentioning anything when I saw her, was as though nothing had happened.
<hmmm, doubt any of that helped - soz>

Dildals Sun 03-Mar-13 21:50:25

noks Re families & people mentioning it - sometimes people aren't quite sure what to say or how to react. When I had my miscarriage I preferred that everyone did NOT mention it, and just shut up, it felt private and I didn't want to be confronted with it and definitely not engage in polite conversation. I just wanted everyone to F off TBH. So maybe your MIL thinks that you might be the same, prefer to ignore it and get on with it? I dunno.

Re sex & orgasms - Yes this is clearly where we ALL have been going wrong all these years! Had we not had orgasms while having sex, we would have conceived YEARS ago! ;-) It does feel weird. At first your ovaries are still so big it feels like he's bowling a strike with his erection, he in turn worries about the effect of cyclogest on his weapon of choice (will this give me boobs?), and I then worry about the orgasm scaring the shit out of the embryos! :-) It was so long ago I heard my pelvic bones creak - although that could be my age.

For all the potential BFNs - hopefully fat lady has a stroke at Greggs.

I am doing alright. Still v emotional. On Thursday/Friday I was just completely overwhelmed/reeling/didn't know whether I was coming or going. Not helped by DH telling me with guilty face that one of his friends was staying over on Thurs night, so we had no time together to digest. Such a man-thing to do, completely oblivious of dates/times. Then on Friday he had a boozy lunch planned, and we all know (well I assume most of you know) how those pan out. So only on Sat morning we had a chance to talk about it (after the alcohol vapours had lifted from our bedroom). Then I went to a baby shower where they went 'can you imagine if you had twins! oh, that would be horrible' 'Did you read that article in the Metro about the largest twins, nine pounds each', err. It is not that I am scared of one particular thing, it's just the whole thing, the concept. All of sudden you go from TTC for ages, to pregnant, to pregnant with twins. It's just quite a bit to digest, but I am sure we'll figure it out. I found on the net that there are local twin groups and there is a charity called TAMBA which supports parents of multiples, so we can glean their knowledge. God, in one of their brochures there is a picture of 2 35wk pregnant ladies, one with singleton, one with twins. Dude, seriously, the twin belly looks like something out of Alien, it's almost drooping it's that big ... EEK. I am going to wear a belly-bra I think. LET'S MAKE IT TO THE 12WK SCAN FIRST THOUGH! Before we start buying sensible cars, double prams and patenting belly bras ;-).

Night people! Grow follies! Rise HCG levels! x

Nokkie73 Sun 03-Mar-13 21:57:46

Cheers choco. I think you're right, it's just a bit out if character for her and I hope she's not feeling left out but...at the same time, I think I need her to demonstrate her support by sending the odd text and calling once in a while. It doesn't help when you start comparing yourself with SIL, who tried for about ten seconds to have a child and popped one out. Silly I know but I guess we've all done the whole comparison thing and come off worst. Sometimes it doesn't take much to knock the ole confidence does it ? And we've all been at the brunt of the 'la la la let's pretend she's not affected by infertility because I haven't a clue what to say' awkwardness, haven't we ? hmm

Nokkie73 Sun 03-Mar-13 22:10:48

Dildals your paragraph about sex made me laugh out loud. You have cheered me up !

Both friends at work had twinnies and they coped just fine. Obviously it was hard work, but they decided to go with it and have two popped back in. I think for both of them, their chances of conceiving naturally weren't great (for one friend it would be nigh on impossible) so it was shit or bust. I think like you say, it's such a shock to be preggers, let alone with twins, that you need to give yourself some time to get used to it and be ok with it. You'll get there. Joining a group is a great idea.

I hope your bedroom doesn't smell of alcoholic man fumes anymore !

Noks xx

HontyTont Mon 04-Mar-13 02:07:29

Thanks everyone for all you " safe trip home" wishes

Currently sitting in the lounge on my second glass of fizz....if by some miracle I get a BFP on Wednesday...I will have already passed on my boozy tendencies ;) I'm not going to feel guilty about this little indulgence.

noks I think your MIL may feel like if she says anything you may feel pressured...even my mum is cautious about how she asks me about stuff and always says "there is no pressure, don't feel stressed", which of course in its self doesn't help but she is coming from a good well meaning place. I'm sure she asks Mr N how things are going? Why not call/text her and let her know its ok for her ask and you want her involved...sounds like you have a good enough relationship to do that, if she still decides to be silent then maybe ask Mr N to find out what is up?

Dils LMFAO...hilarious girl! And thank you for the good vibes for my rising HCG levels

choco how long have you been on the gestone? Surely your blood levels would have shown if there was something not right? I'm sure you will be fine

Right...well you will all be tucked up in your beds, with your embbies/babies/thoughts of babies...so good night, hope Monday is a good one


keepitgoing Mon 04-Mar-13 02:09:13

dildals you'll be fine, though it's normal I'm sure to freak out a bit! Great idea to find people in the same situation, maybe start a thread on MN too once you feel safer. Have you spoken to anyone other than dh yet?

nok maybe she doesn't know anything about ivf , or maybe doesn't want to pressure you? My family know we're doing it at some point, but not when. I don't want to have to update on eggs, embies, pee sticks. Maybe you need to drop something into the conversation, like 'oh, I'm feeling bad from these drugs' to let her know if you want to talk?

We have my mil and bil staying with us. Dh hasn't told them anything so we've had to hide all the drugs, letters, paraphernalia... Also, I'm feeling v tired on the stimms, is this normal?

Scarlet I was told thurs-sat for EC. I think it'll be Thursday as my eggs tend to grow fast. Does that mean tonight will be my last stimms then trigger tomorrow? I have another scan tomorrow morning to see. I think you've got one today? Good luck. Grow follies grow!!

euro I wouldn't go on next week's trip whatever happens, tbh. But you might be OK for the us one if you've either got Barry a bit safer or, god forbid, miscarried by then. I hope you're coping, sweetheart, the waiting till Thursday must be hideous.

hont business class!! Awesome! Great surprise.

vallinnapod Mon 04-Mar-13 07:55:41

The fat lady clearly just fuelled up at Greggs f