Excellent Egg Buddies continued! Anyone having IVF/ICSI in Jan, Feb and March 2013 please join us!

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We've run out of room on Karbea's Jan IVF thread and it is too much fun to stop! We're all getting into comfy clothes and enjoying the side effects and surprises (and occasionally some hand holding).

delilahbelle Sun 24-Feb-13 13:48:51

<gets comfy>

Just marking my place smile

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 13:55:02

<hoists jodhpurs firmly over bloated abdomen>

Poor old excluded April ivf-ers grin

I figured we will have filled out another thread by April! I hope they don't feel shunned.

Are you wearing jodhpurs as a fashion statement or are you going riding? smile

Feel really down today, I am assuming this is the hormones talking. Are you feeling up/down, delilah, euro,*dildals*?

delilahbelle Sun 24-Feb-13 14:00:50

I am many feeling nauseous fairy interspersed with the occasional vom. Too physically miserable to think about my mental state, although it is mainly full of dread about work tomorrow. My room is miles from the nearest toilet if I need to chunder.

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 14:01:42

They are the only thing stretchy enough and warm enough to fit! I am off riding during ivf <glares balefully at clinic> If ivf fails I am buying a horse though. Or at least investigating getting a share or loan thing going.

oh poor you! I am nowhere near as bad, just a general low level queasiness which ramps up when I wake up or when I'm tired.

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 14:02:18

I mean I am not allowed, not that I have gone off in order to ride. You know what I mean.

delilahbelle Sun 24-Feb-13 14:04:51

I keep on telling myself it's a good thing... I swear though if this pregnancy doesn't work out I'm through with IVF (famous last words)

Seems a bit odd that they would forbid horseback riding! What about riding a bike? Unless you're doing some Wild West manoeuvres I would have thought the risk of a fall or accident are the same on a bike as on a horse.

I have told myself that if the IVF doesn't work I'm buying a motorcycle! I used to ride years ago and have always wanted to go back to it, TTC has slightly got in the way. I would love to try horse riding as well.

It is a good thing, delilah although I know it must not seem like it at all.

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 14:33:44

Don't know sad I suppose you are higher and on an unpredictable living creature, who might buck or fall on you heavily. I did sneak a ride in early on, and rising trot was uncomfortable with stimulated ovaries. And I suppose my tits would not thank me for any sort of bouncing at the moment. But I do want one though.

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 14:41:27

Well I felt like a right old thickie trying to find you all. Did it after much cursing and random tapping of buttons on the iPad.

I bought a four pack of bounty bars whilst I was out. Anyone fancy one ? Come on, we have loose fitting trousers so anything goes.

If this doesn't work out for me, I'm tempted to take a career break and go travelling. Feck knows what with but it seems like a nice idea.

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 14:47:07

My partner is buying a sports car. Apparently...

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 14:52:25

I sense that this may not come to pass, Northey.

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 14:54:27

Well ideally I will be pregnant, so he will instead have to buy something staid and sensible. But if I'm not, he will just never get organised to buy anything anyway, so who cares?!

EuroShaggleton Sun 24-Feb-13 15:03:35

Afternoon ladies! We did fill that thread rather quickly, didn't we?

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 15:05:50

So what's the story with the 2ww testing business then ?

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 15:06:19

What do you mean, nok?

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 15:08:50

Well at what point can you test ? I'm a bit behind you and Delilah and fairy and I'm a proper nosey bitch so am thinking the 2ww will be a living torture if you can't test everyday. Also didn't get the getting trigger shot out of your system point either. Grateful for any tips.....

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 15:12:45

Ok, well, if you POAS the day they collect your eggs, it will be positive, because the trigger shot you gave yourself two days before (to ripen your eggs) is made of hcg, the pregnancy hormone. That takes a few days (say a week?) to metabolise out of your system. Some people test every day to see the bfps vanish. At that point, that know that any future bfp wil be because an embryo has implanted.

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 15:14:17

You'll be told to test 14-16 days after egg collection, depending on the clinic. Some people crack and test early, naturally. As I've learnt today, 10dp egg collection is too early...

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 15:21:45

Oh thanks for that Northey. Very useful advice. At least I can manage my own expectations during the 2ww as I was a bit worried about this part of the process. As a reward, you can have a bounty bar, a bag of chilli crackers and a voucher for a heated onesie.

Sharonbenn Sun 24-Feb-13 15:32:47

Here you all are! <pulls up a chair and puts the kettle on> I had to search for Fairy in the end after going through the whole list of threads. Blimey there is some varied chat going on.

Is there only space for 999 posts then?

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 15:44:21

Hi Sharon !

Sharonbenn Sun 24-Feb-13 15:54:02

Hi Noks

Do I remember correctly that you are at Guys? If so, so am I and we have pretty close cycles so that's good x

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 16:01:39

I am at Guys, well remembered ! You're going to start stimming in a week with Nafarelin aren't you ? We're a bit behind the rest of the Wolf Pack here but at least we can pump them for advice ! Xx

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 16:03:08

The Wolf Pack is affectionate, by the way, from the film the Hangover. Shit - remember those.....hangovers ? grin

Sharonbenn Sun 24-Feb-13 16:13:48

I like the wolf pack it's cute. I am rubbish with hangovers. Although I am starting to miss a nice glass of wine.

I've been trying to remember all the tips everyone has given so far but can't remember them all so I'll be asking the same questions at each stage no doubt.

ScarlettInSpace Sun 24-Feb-13 16:22:58

I had to begrudgingly put my onesie on the wash last night because it had started to resemble a dog blanket my puppy thinks me in onesie = doggie cushion and I don't really discourage him blush

Still no sign of the witch here so no jabbing til at least Tuesday...

Detox finished yesterday, half a stone & an inch off my waist grin which I rightly celebrated with half a bottle of red last night and McDonalds for lunch today. Steak and blue cheese for tea tonight then back on the wagon tomorrow...

Hope you're all having a nice weekend, I've been trying all day to avoid the Leaning Tower of Ironing all day even pretended to feel sick post McDs so I could have a kip on the sofa but it's no good, I can't dodge it any longer <sigh>

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 16:25:49

Congrats on detox success! If I get a bfn, I am going on the most almighty diet...

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 16:34:24

Sharon - Well I had a glass of red last night and decided NOT to feel guilty about it. I'm being so good that I think one now and again whilst DR'ing won't hurt. The clinic said it's fine too. I thoroughly enjoyed it, I have to say.

Scarlett - the state of your onesie made me laugh. Are you going to start DR'ing when the little beeatch AF is here ? Well done on the detoxing and weight loss and an even bigger well done on the way you fell off the wagon. Worthy of the utmost respect !

Noks x

Hi sharon -sorry for the confusion, when I look at MN the talk sections are all organised into topics and this thread is pretty easy to find under Conception but maybe it's not obvious on everyone's computer/phone.

ScarlettInSpace Sun 24-Feb-13 16:58:57

northey part of the reason for this detox was to get rid of so
R of the shit left over from the last [failed] IVF, I'd deffo do this again and sooner if this next go doesn't work out.

noks I had a bad time with down reg last time and a really poor response [one good size follie and another wee one] hence it was abandoned, so I'm straight to stim this time on antagonist short protocol.

And I was pissed after 2 glasses last night which is hilarious as I'm well known for the amount of vino I can sink blush

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 17:10:59

Scarlett - do you mind me asking how many follies you had pre-ivf when they did your initial scans ? I had seven on my initial scan and am on a high dose of Gonal-F for stimms. X

I spent years and tens of thousands of pounds building-up my alcohol (and fag) tolerance. Some said that I was hollow...happy days !

ScarlettInSpace Sun 24-Feb-13 17:20:55

When I had my hycosy my R ovary [which is the side I have no tube due to an ectopic years ago] was apparently 'small & pre-menopausal' but my L ovary was health and had 4-5 follies on it, which the consultant said was good Dr Google disagrees hmmm

As it happens my L ovary failed to show up at the IVF party and the 2 follies actually grew on my previously dismissed R ovary confused

I've decided none of them really know what they're talking about, as long as they are giving me the treatment I want in the manner I want it then I just try to take what they say with a pinch of salt iykwim...

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 17:39:48

How completely strange. I have come to the same conclusion as you - I don't think they really know how each of us will respond until we take the drugs. The only certainty is the uncertainty of it all. Have they said anything about why the short antagonist protocol is better for you this time ?

Thanks for being so candid. I really appreciate it.

Noks x

ScarlettInSpace Sun 24-Feb-13 17:53:55

No problem, it's nice to not have to start by explaining what a follicle is like I do if I speak to people in RL lol!

I don't think I could've done long protocol again as the down reg affected me hideously, it nearly destroyed me and it's taken 3-4 months to get out of the depression I believe it brought on, if I'm being entirely frank! I also think it was unnecessary to suppress my ovaries as they are a bit sleepy to start with grin so this protocol is much more suited to me. We're chucking everything at it so going straight in with maximum stims, that should [hopefully] wake the lazy bastards up!!

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 17:56:17

scarlett, euro also had a hideous reaction to the drugs. Just awful.

Pre-menopause? Do you mind me asking how old you are? <worries about own ovaries>

ScarlettInSpace Sun 24-Feb-13 18:08:31

I've spoken to euro on here about it, I think we were both relieved to find someone else that had a similar experience grin

I'm 36, I was 35 then. That's why I think they're talking out if their arseholes grin the surgeon said he thought maybe the blood supply had been damaged when I had the op to remove the tube but the IVF response disproves that theory hmm

My FSH was 12 and my AMH 4.22, not great but not bloody pre menopausal either, honestly I think they are all such bloody Doom Merchants!

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 18:10:45

Blimey Scarlett. Seriously ? You poor thing...there was me whining like a massive baby about having hot flushes and having to take my bloody jumper in and off a few times. I feel such a fraud now. blush

Am sending your follies a VERY stern look and have a loud speaker in hand, just so they get the message.

Noks x

ScarlettInSpace Sun 24-Feb-13 18:17:53

Haha noks don't feel guilty, I wouldn't wish it on anyone!

Sharonbenn Sun 24-Feb-13 18:19:04

Fairy no probs I found you in the end. I am still getting used to how it all works and when I found this thread I was on the actual site and looked under conception but now I'm on the app and the threads seemed to be listed under topics of the day. There are some random topics today out there today!

It's reassuring to talk about it all. Its hard in RL cause apart from one dear friend they all got pg easily 2 on their honeymoons. I had 10 follies on my initial scan which apparently was 'good for my age' there's that phrase again. I haven't had the FSH done but my AMH was also GFMA (see above!) apparently. I might be 42 but I'm not writing off what's going on in there just yet.

Enjoy your sunday evenings ladies. I'm about to put the sausage and mash on!

EuroShaggleton Sun 24-Feb-13 18:22:40

I tested at 7 and 8dpEC and got faint lines from the trigger shot (almost non-existent at 8 days) so I knew when I tested a few days later it would be a real result.

Scarlett best of luck for the start of your new cycle. I'm sure it'll be a good one, avoiding the evil downregging. It took me 6 months to lose the 9 pounds I piled on during and after the cycle. I'm sure it temporarily fucked up my thyroid (when it was tested at a medical 4 months after the cycle it was right on the bottom edge of normal). I've never struggled with my weight and it was horrible. I was eating tiny amounts and putting on 2-3 pounds a week! Of course now, all being well, I will be the size of a cow in a few months!

Nokkie downregging is not easy for most people even if you don't have the extreme reactions Scarlett and I did, so be kind to yourself while you are doing it (am v jealous of that glass of red - if I go out for food and my companion has a glass, I am picking up and taking long inhales of the scent at the moment blush).

chocoloco1 Sun 24-Feb-13 18:53:34

Evening ladies, my you've been chatty today! Feeling a onesie evening coming on due to how tight my jeans feel at the mo and trying to convince myself that it's bloating due to stims, although unlikely with probably only 2 follicles more likely to be from the litre of milk I've been forcing down

euro and scarlett your down reg experiences sound horrendous, I only had a short experience of it on my 1st cycle, but then my body didn't respond to it.

Noks it does seem to be a bit of a guessing game with consultants, I agree. Am on max stims again for 2nd cycle after getting 3 eggs last time. Amh 0.23 and was given a 5% chance of success. Who knows! Off to do injection, hopefully last one before trigger tomorrow night.

Any last minute tips for getting follicles to grow, grow, grow before scan tomorrow?

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 19:13:34

Drink water and eat protein, as far as I can make out. How many days of stimming have you done so far?

chocoloco1 Sun 24-Feb-13 19:52:33

It's my day 13 scan tomorrow. Have been eating protein like there's no tomorrow and using a hot water bottle loads. Are you feeling strong-willed about not testing tomorrow?

HontyTont Sun 24-Feb-13 20:31:32

There you all are...I was worried I wouldn't be able to find you! <breathes a sigh of relief>

Well I am currently stranded at my parents after attempting to leave at 6 switching on the engine to be told by the on board computer that I had a puncture! After closer inspection we found a nail in the tyre...don't have a spare cos these clever car companies only put mending kits in the boot nowadays and of course if the puncture is in the wrong place the mending kit is useless....genius! So now waiting for a recovery vehicle to take us and the car home....what a fun journey that will be! So much for keeping my stress levels low!

Off to have my full blood count and progesterone checked tomorrow....as well sorting a new tyre

I have also been squeezing my boobs....not for pleasure alas....they were a little tender up until a day ago but today they feel fine....trying not to read too much into anything

Am also weakly leggings/jogging bottoms anything lose fitting feels comfortable...cant face jeans due to the bruises my tummy from the fragmin

As for the 2ww....north what were you thinking? Having said that at least you know now the trigger has gone and you can be sure your bfp is all baby

I am totally not even entertaining the idea of early testing....my resolve is strong so far and I'm going to aim to keep it that way! I have NO tests in the house! It's way early for me anyway, today is only 5dpt...and my OTD isn't until the 6th. Can't wait for Thursday to get me out of here to NY to distract me

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 20:39:34

I have lost all my "symptoms" too, hont. I remember euro waking up one morning though and feeling completely unpregnant. So I am calming myself with that.

sad at the fragmin bruises. Ow.

HontyTont Sun 24-Feb-13 20:42:31

The talk of red wine is making me thirsty!

Good luck for scans tomorrow ladies x

HontyTont Sun 24-Feb-13 20:48:11

north hang in there lovely....i just think symptoms are so different for every woman whether preggers by IVF or 'naturally'... So we will just have to wait until DDay, aka OTD!

Double sad sad at fragmin tonight especially as I like to sych myself up for them but today I will literally get dropped off by the recovery vehicle and have to take the plunge before diving into bed so I can get up in the morning

vallinnapod Sun 24-Feb-13 20:54:30

<<waves>> lost you all for a while.

Had ET last Weds...DS managed to be diagnosed with chickenpox the day before hmm. I have felt fluey since so convinced I have scuppered everything.

When can I feasibly test stupidly early? It was a 5 day blast. OTD Friday...I think. My clinic were wonderfully vague "Oh 14 days" "But it is a 5 day blast" "Ok then, 10 days" "9?" "Yeah OK"...feel I may have talked them in to that grin

Any way, my lining wasn't fab (6.5mm) but my little brrr baby (chose just to defrost 1) was a star. Defrosted 90-100% intact and had started to divide away again.

Been lugging DS around and general unable to relax like last time so worried I may have not given it it's best chance.

Bit glass half empty.

EuroShaggleton Sun 24-Feb-13 21:01:04

norf it was at 9dpEC my symptoms disappeared. I went to bed feeling wildly hormonal (and horny as hell blush) and woke up the next morning just feeling blank.

valium I'll have everything crossed for you.

vallinnapod Sun 24-Feb-13 21:08:15

PMSL Euro not sure if that was meant for me, and if it was, if it was an autocorrect but valium is highly apt winkgrin

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 21:17:10

Yeah, it was yesterday that I started feeling blank too, euro, which was 9dpec for me as well.

Vallina, nice to see you back again. I had ET the day before you, and am meant to test on Saturday!

Northey Sun 24-Feb-13 21:18:16

Ooh, val, do you mind me asking what grade your frosted were before freezing and after defrosting?

Sharonbenn Sun 24-Feb-13 21:43:48

Vanilla sorry you are feeling pants but yay for your little embie coming up trumps. A hardy little fellow. hopefully a good sign.

Good luck for your scan Choco fingers crossed for you.

Hope you got home ok Honty.

I'm done in and getting an early night. I'm conserving energy for the task ahead.

Night everyone.


EuroShaggleton Sun 24-Feb-13 21:59:45

Heh val yes, that was an amusing autocorrect! 'll stick to val from now on. grin

honty sorry to read about your car stress.

Nokkie73 Sun 24-Feb-13 22:23:24

Hi all

Just been out for a lovely bit of scran with Mr Noks. The red wine monster came to visit again. Bad BAD Noks.

Thanks, euro . Am feeling much better today but after reading your tales of down regging hell, I am really in awe of you and Scarlett and everyone else. I am not the sort of person to say that lightly but I so am. X

Choco - I seem to remember for some strange reason you are down in Dorchester ? My wonderful Grandad was born there and I used to go as a child. Happy memories. Xx

Good luck for all tomorrow's testing, injecting, sniffing and random journeys on the IVF bus.

Noks x

Dildals Mon 25-Feb-13 09:08:08


But to answer your question, no, not feeling low particularly, bit grumpy maybe the last couple of days. Low level queasiness, but nothing unmanageable. Sore lower back. Sore boobs. That's it.

I haven't had to change in to larger trousers yet, but I did go shopping on Saturday and it was very frustrating, I have this massive gut hanging out of everything. I lost weight, somehow (nerves probably), but for the love of god I don't know where it came off. My belly is only getting larger, ditto boobs. I have been having a few days where I am ravenous and just eat, but nothing too indulgent. I am going to lay off the chocolate and biscuits though, this is getting ridiculous.

Three more sleeps till scan.

dildals I am absolutely terrified.

Dildals Mon 25-Feb-13 11:18:24

fairy I know, it's almost easier to remain 'not knowing', but you know that signs are looking good!

vallinnapod Mon 25-Feb-13 11:37:30

No idea Northey sorry!

Dildals Mon 25-Feb-13 14:32:49

I can't concentrate at work ... fairy how did the scan go?!

delilahbelle Mon 25-Feb-13 15:12:11

I'm in hospital. Was pregnant, no longer after a rupture and fairly serious bleed and emergency surgery. In the gynae ward to recover for the next few days.

EuroShaggleton Mon 25-Feb-13 15:36:12

Oh delilah. I'm so, so sorry to hear that.

delilah I'm so so sorry, was it a placental rupture? God how awful. Hope they are taking good care of you.

I feel a bit awkward announcing this just after del's sad news but I've just seen one little perfect creature on the scan and its heart thumping away. Just one thank god! So relieved. Now only another 5 weeks until can truly relax... DH and I have celebrated with a very wicked trip through the McDonalds drive in since DS is in school and won't be corrupted.

Sharonbenn Mon 25-Feb-13 15:39:50

Oh my goodness Delilah what a roller coaster. I'm so so sorry. That is terrible news. I dont know what to say. How are you? Sx

Dildals Mon 25-Feb-13 15:41:11

Jezus delilah that's horrible! I have goose bumps. I am so sorry. What happened? Did you start bleeding at work or were you at home? Did you call the ambulance or did you manage to make it in yourself? Does this now mean that you won't be able to get pregnant again?
I have no magic words of advice to offer, take advantage of the painkillers and take each day as it comes. It will get better eventually, it always does. xxx

Sharonbenn Mon 25-Feb-13 15:41:20

Lovely news Fairy. Congratulations x

Dildals Mon 25-Feb-13 15:51:14

fairy Congratulations! I KNEW it was going to be good news for you! Risks of things going wrong dramatically decrease if there's a heartbeat though, so that's good news!

chocoloco1 Mon 25-Feb-13 16:31:17

delilah hugs, so sorry to hear your awful news x x

highlove Mon 25-Feb-13 17:34:19

Oh Delilah I'm so very sorry. I hope for now you are recovering ok physically. After all you've been through, this is just so very unfair.

vallinnapod Mon 25-Feb-13 18:02:32

The highs and lows of this board sad

Delilah how sad and scary - wishing you a speedy recovery.

Fairy {hugs} that is really lovely news smile

EuroShaggleton Mon 25-Feb-13 18:09:15

So many highs and lows on this thread.

Delilah I am thinking of you.

fairy I'm so pleased that the scan was great.

Thank you all. I was so nervous during the scan my legs were trembling too much and the nurse had to stop until I found a new position.

It's all so down to luck isn't it? Life is so precarious.

Sharonbenn Mon 25-Feb-13 18:44:30

Chocco how did you get on with your scan today? Are you doing the trigger shot tonight?

And everyone else how are you all feeling?

vallinnapod Mon 25-Feb-13 19:13:44

Crampy and anxious, thanks for asking blush

Northey Mon 25-Feb-13 19:18:19

Oh God, delilah, I'm desperately sorry.

I remember from ectopics the blank awfulness of suddenly being stunned and babyless in a hospital bed. Are you in much physical pain?

ScarlettInSpace Mon 25-Feb-13 19:40:11

delilah so so sorry, what a twisted path you've been down, I know it's hard, big love xx

Sharonbenn Mon 25-Feb-13 19:44:50

Hello Vall it must be so tough especially with a little one ill. Hang in there.

ScarlettInSpace Mon 25-Feb-13 19:45:42

fairy lovely news btw, well done x

Finally the witch has landed here, 16.35 so 5 minutes after reception closed at the clinic so I couldn't make appt for tomorrow angry although is this actually CD1 or is there some magic cut off time??

Well I'm having a beer anyway, self medication for the cramps cos there's deliberately no red wine in the house and hopefully it will be my last drink til christmas...

chocoloco1 Mon 25-Feb-13 19:58:47

Evening all,

scarlett CD1 is 1st day of red bleeding I think although some clinics have cut off times for when af should arrive by for CD1. Am I right in thinking you will be doing short protocol?

noks the Dorchester childhood memories sound lovely, I'm actually a Wiltshire gal, but prepared to half kill myself driving for hours willing to drive over an hour and a half each way as they are all so lovely at the clinic and it was recommended by a friend

vallinna sorry for cramps and nerves. The 2ww is a real toughie and it's hard to be left on your own after being pro-active with clinic visits etc beforehand

sharon thanks for asking, scan ok, but got to go back tomorrow for another scan and egg collection scheduled for Thursday. Are you getting excited about Thursday when you can start injections?

Hello to everyone else.

vallinnapod Mon 25-Feb-13 20:00:20

Scarlett do you need a day 2 scan? With my clinic if you ring first thing then they fit you in that day, or see you on day 3 (not much difference apparently).

Thanks Sharon DS is miles better - which is almost worse as he is non-stop wink. Joking aside it is fabulous to see him so much better poor thing. If the brr-baby is sticking then it will have stuck by now IYSWIM!

Sharonbenn Mon 25-Feb-13 20:12:07

That's good Vall. Fingers crossed the little one has settled in nicely inside and making himself comfy for the long haul ahead.

Well done Chocco. At least they are looking after you and keeping a close eye. That's encouraging. I'm on long protocol so sniffing on thursday and yes im getting nervously excited now. Only 3 sleeps to go.

Scarlett enjoy the beer!

ScarlettInSpace Mon 25-Feb-13 20:33:40

Hmm I've been very light sporting since last weds, this was sudden full red flow, it is a CD2 scan before starting on short protocol yes, hopefully I'll get hold of them first thing and arrange a same day scan, I know they say CD3 is ok but I responded so poorlyadt find I don't want to waste a day of stim iykwim...

ScarlettInSpace Mon 25-Feb-13 20:35:11

Eh? *so poorly last time. 1 beer hmm

Nokkie73 Mon 25-Feb-13 20:52:34

Hi all

delilah I am so very sorry. I can't imagine what you're going through now, having had such highs and lows over the past few days. Am sending you lots of cyber space hugs - it's just so f'king cruel, isn't it ? Noks xx

choco well you can be an honorary Dorcester gal for this. I will ask Grandad Tom and Great Aunty Dolly to look after you whilst you're down there grin

fairy congrats on your BFP! Well done - you must be absolutely over the moon.

I can't go forward on the thread for some reason so will post this and catch-up on page four in a minute.

I have just eaten a bucketful of salmon and feel like I'm going to pop, depositing fishy bits all over the lounge. I mean, I love protein, but this is ridiculous.

Noks x

Nokkie73 Mon 25-Feb-13 20:56:47

scarlett - is is a large beer ? grin you need to share it with the group so we can all have a little booze by proxy. X

Hi everyone else.

Can't believe it about delilah. sad


EuroShaggleton Mon 25-Feb-13 21:00:45

Scarlett my clinic had a 2 or 3pm cut off for Day 1. I don't really understand it, but thems the rules...

I hope you can get your scan sorted tomorrow.

Val I'm glad your son is on the mend now. Crampy you say...?

choco you're nearly there!

HontyTont Mon 25-Feb-13 21:05:20

Delilah thinking of you and sending you hugs

fairy yaaaay! a heart beat thats amazing news

val good to hear from you, good luck with your frostie

Got home at 11 last night the fragmin was a killer, i actually had tears. This IVF lark is such a rollercoaster isn't it? Asked the nurse if there was an alternative but there isnt just got to keep going and if I'm up the duff i have to continue until 10 weeks!

I'm feeling nothing at the moment...anyone else on the 2ww feeling the same? I'm thinking surely i should feel something, something not normal, something i have never felt before....but nothing really....i hope its all worth it!

scarlett are you tipsy? what i would give for a beer right now!

Actually to be honest i'm thinking i will have a few bubbles to celebrate DH 40th in New York this weekend, and the odd beer with lunch maybe? is that really bad? how much can it effect the outcome? obviously no hard stuff and not drinking to get drunk, just a nice glass of fizz or 2? I reckon if i am pregnant then its implanted its got its own blood supply and i cant get it drunk...god am i being a bad parent already?

HELP! what are your thoughts?

<waves to everyone else>


Sharonbenn Mon 25-Feb-13 21:43:02

Hello Honty

I don't know I'm afraid. You aren't being a bad parent but the advice seems to be to do what feels right for you. I've been told to do everything that I think will make me feel better and won't give me regrets at the end of it. If you feel like having a glass of champers then go ahead. If im really honest, I wouldn't but that is my choice and I wouldn't judge anyone for making their own choices. I hope that helps. Sxx

Northey Mon 25-Feb-13 21:49:32

honty, I honestly don't think it will affect the outcome. If you are the kind of person who will beat yourself up over possibilities, then save yourself the anguish and don't do it, but otherwise I would have a glass. I had a cup of coffee with caffeine in this afternoon, after a month of decaf. I don't think it will make any difference and I am certain that I wot look back and blame myself if this cycle fails.

Northey Mon 25-Feb-13 21:51:08

Also, I am also a bit symptomless sad I think it must be related to the passing of the triggershot.

Nokkie73 Mon 25-Feb-13 21:58:42

Don't let this whole thing climb into your head Northey - keep the faith. X

Sharonbenn Mon 25-Feb-13 22:23:02

I agree Northey. Try to relax and do something nice for yourself. Not long to go now. X

delilahbelle Mon 25-Feb-13 22:46:41

At 4pm on Sunday I had horrible horrible cramps. So bad DH called an ambulance. After gas and air, lots more pain, vomitting, agonising pain, and scans as well as decreasing obs on means the though they could see fluid the did a laparoscopy that turned into a laparectomy.

I had 2 litres if blood suctions out when I was under and was given 6 units. One of the two embryos had lodged on the scar tissue from my salpingectomy, and some part of its growth and stretching had ruptured my uterus.
While I was under DH had to make the decision to sacrifice the other embryo to give me the best chances of survival. He did the right thing! I would rather be with him and babyless than there being a chance come not being around. My uterus has been nicely saved, so pregnancy is still possible but not something I can see myself attempting again. Everyone has told me I can't decide now, but I have had a moment of clarity, I don't want it enough to risk my life again.

Operation was at 1am, I've been on the ward since 7:30am dozing on and off, and have just got out of bed for the first time today.

Thank god for iPhones and Facebook chat!

delilahbelle Mon 25-Feb-13 22:48:38

Ps, doped up on oramorph and diclofenac, hopefully the above us understandable.

Huge congrats to fairy and best wishes for a healthy preg.

delilahbelle Mon 25-Feb-13 22:50:01

Other embryo had to be sacrificed due to risk of uterus rupturing again in later pregnancy.

Sharonbenn Mon 25-Feb-13 23:03:01

Delilah thank goodness you are ok. It is a truly terrible situation. Your poor DH must have been so worried. You can reflect on where to go from here once you are strong and well. In the meantime just concentrate on recovering and giving yourself plenty of time and space to heal both physically and emotionally. Sending you lots of healing thoughts. Try to get some rest. Night night xxx

Sharonbenn Mon 25-Feb-13 23:03:35

Delilah thank goodness you are ok. It is a truly terrible situation. Your poor DH must have been so worried. You can reflect on where to go from here once you are strong and well. In the meantime just concentrate on recovering and giving yourself plenty of time and space to heal both physically and emotionally. Sending you lots of healing thoughts. Try to get some rest. Night night xxx

Nokkie73 Mon 25-Feb-13 23:20:31


As Sharonbenn said, thank goodness you are ok. Must have been a horrendous and heartbreaking time for you and DH. Decisions obviously need to be made but give yourself the time and space to make them. I wish you a full and speedy recovery and hope DH holds you tight, and you hold him tight too.

Night night.

Noks x

Northey Tue 26-Feb-13 04:27:36

Delilah, what a terrible thing to happen. Thank God you're ok.

BFN this morning. 12dpEC, and 4 days before OTD. Ho hum.

delilahbelle Tue 26-Feb-13 05:19:52

Well I'm off the catheter (uncomfy) and all opiate drugs already. (Hate the side effects)

Main pain is coming from the gas trapped in my abdomen, and muscle strain from commuting yesterday. Guts are wurgling away well though.

Still in shock I think. Possibly worst experience of my life.

delilahbelle Tue 26-Feb-13 05:20:37

Vomiting not commuting. Stupid iPhone.

delilah how awful, I can't imagine. Your DH made absolutely the right decision. I'm so sorry this happened. I am so impressed by your relatively cheerful messages although I know you must be feeling a lot right now. You are a very brave woman.

Northey Tue 26-Feb-13 07:05:11

Bastard gas. Is peppermint tea helping?

Northey Tue 26-Feb-13 07:05:39

Is there any indication of when they might let you home?

chocoloco1 Tue 26-Feb-13 07:06:45

Blimey Delilah you've been through such a lot. Can't really imagine how you're feeling, but thinking of you and sending my love x x

Sharonbenn Tue 26-Feb-13 07:50:23

Delilah I hope you are more comfortable this morning. Xx

Northey is it still to early to test or do you think that is accurate? I'm so sorry. How disappointing after everything you have been through. Hugs. Sx

Sharonbenn Tue 26-Feb-13 07:51:25

Oh and good luck today choco.

Anyone else got tests/scans today?

delilahbelle Tue 26-Feb-13 08:02:41

Home tomorrow maybe, or Thursday morning depending how I feel. Hopefully tomorrow as the ward is noisy and smelly, and that's just the moth patients. Moans, groans and snores all night, and then some kind of toilet fail this morning for someone near me. God I could do with a private room.

Gutted really, will be signed off work for at least 4 weeks to recover, and will really need to take stock.

ScarlettInSpace Tue 26-Feb-13 08:13:23

Oh Delilah I hate wards too and vomiting and commuting are pretty close IMO 4 weeks feels like a long time but will fly by, dont even try to make any life decision for at least the first 2 weeks, just concentrate on absolutely nothing, zone out a bit and let your body heal itself and OH look after you...

northey nope sorry mate still too early! Try again in 4 days when you're supposed to woman

vallinnapod Tue 26-Feb-13 09:18:27

Delilah how terrifying for you all. Not sure if this helps but you really are going through a type of bereavement. They say you shouldn't make any life decisions for several months afterwards. {totally useless comment really, just wish I could do something}

Northey - ummm, glad it wasn't just me testing this morning blush BFN also and now feel hideous - in that I feel so stupid I tested, and then also worried it will stay as a BFN. Idiot, idiot, idiot (me, not you!)

vallinnapod Tue 26-Feb-13 09:55:34

Just checked with the clinic. I should be testing on 4th March shock. WTF?! I will be sectioned by then!

ScarlettInSpace Tue 26-Feb-13 09:59:36

val step away from the sticks!

I am feeling more than a bit grossed out at the thought of my scan this afternoon as the first 24 hours are always ummm particularly heavy iykwim.

And I had a bizzrre dream this morning that I went for my scan and 2 girls from Made in Chelsea were there having their hair done in the same room, as I started to arrange myself on the stirrups my mother walked in with a box of pot plants and started to put them around the scan room. Analyze that!

Sharonbenn Tue 26-Feb-13 10:08:29

Vall and Northey oh dear stay strong girls and don't test until OTD then you won't put yourself through loads of anguish. It must be so hard. We've got it all to look forward to. I'll be climbing the walls I know. X

EuroShaggleton Tue 26-Feb-13 10:13:49

Delilah that sounds absolutely awful. I really feel for both you and your husband at this time.

The ward sounds horrible. I hope you can get home to recover in your own bed soon.

Norf probably still too early. There are no fat ladies singing yet.

Val how many days past EC/ET are you now? If your OTD isn't until 4 March, you are also a fat lady free zone!

Scarlett I was lucky that no one ever wanted to scan me earlier than day 4. Days 1 and 2 are horrendously painful for me, and days 2 and 3 are awfully heavy (must be that lovely endometrium I am always told I have...). The sonographer will have seen it all before of course, but I was always worried about how I would manage to get dressed without bleeding all over the floor!

ScarlettInSpace Tue 26-Feb-13 10:25:00

Euro my first few days are exactly the same - hmmm is that a coincidence given our response to down reg? What we need now is the government to give us £0.5M to go and form a think tank sit on a beach in Mauritius to examine this theory grin

EuroShaggleton Tue 26-Feb-13 10:27:49

You write the proposal Scarlett and I'm in!

vallinnapod Tue 26-Feb-13 10:31:36

ET was 20 Feb and it was a Day 5 blast.

delilahbelle Tue 26-Feb-13 10:45:51

Yeah, now I'm physically improving I think it's hitting me there's def no babies in my immediate future. sad

Ah well, I am one of those annoying fairly naturally optimistic people, so it won't get me down for long.

delilahbelle Tue 26-Feb-13 10:52:21

And my first chemical pregnancy was more painful emotionally than this. Kind of like the first time you were dumped it is hideous, but subsequently it's nowhere near as bad in the long run.

EuroShaggleton Tue 26-Feb-13 10:55:25

So you're 11dpEC, val? Definitely not a definitive result. But 4 March does seem a long time to wait!

delilah there are other ways to become a mummy, but now is not the time to be thinking that far ahead. Just focus on healing for now. x

vallinnapod Tue 26-Feb-13 11:46:00

Oh Delilah - what an apt analogy. Rest up, try and relax and focus on getting well.

blush Yeah, Euro that works out....I am just crap at waiting. 4th march would be 16 dpEC - which apparently is what they always recommend confused.

Northey Tue 26-Feb-13 12:27:18

val, you are a day behind me, then. I had EC on the Thursday, and ET the following Tues. I thought my OTD was the Saturdy though. Maybe my clinic does 15dpEC. Or maybe I am just persuading myself that it will show up by then!

EuroShaggleton Tue 26-Feb-13 13:15:18

My clinic did a blood test at 14 dpEC. There is no consistency at all!

Dildals Tue 26-Feb-13 13:19:36

Mine said to test 16 days poast EC. They're probably trying to err on the side of caution.

Dildals Tue 26-Feb-13 13:19:48


Northey Tue 26-Feb-13 14:20:11

Actually, euro, I read the other day that two days is the time for hcg in the blood to metabolise into the urine. Or something. Which would make sense of the 14day/16day thing.

delilahbelle Tue 26-Feb-13 14:29:29

Can't stop crying this afternoon. My twins are dead. In my head I had named them, planned the nursery and everything.

Life seems so bleak. I wish I had not woken up and gone with them in the op. it's just DH keeping me going.

EuroShaggleton Tue 26-Feb-13 14:52:14

Oh delilah. My heart is bleeding for you. I wish I could be there to give you a hug. Do you have someone with you?

chocoloco1 Tue 26-Feb-13 15:03:42

Huge, huge cyber hug delilah, am so sorry, you poor, poor love x x

delilahbelle Tue 26-Feb-13 15:03:55

DH here now and being lovely.

EuroShaggleton Tue 26-Feb-13 15:05:47

I'm glad. x

Sharonbenn Tue 26-Feb-13 16:17:59

Delilah it is so so sad. I really feel for you. I have been so pensive today thinking about you. It is so unfair. Anything I say sounds so cliched but please allow yourself this time to cry. You are grieving and it is very painful. I wish we could take the pain away. Let DH look after you. Together you will get through this terrible time. And one day you will smile again even if it doesn't feel that way now. The sun is always there it is just behind the clouds sometimes. My thoughts are with you both. Xx

ScarlettInSpace Tue 26-Feb-13 16:47:54

delilah I'm rubbish at knowing what to say to people and but wanted to give you a big cyber hug {{}}

ScarlettInSpace Tue 26-Feb-13 16:54:50

AFM I just got back from my day 2 scan, everything looked good, she said she could see 2-3 small follicles on each ovary,they may not all develop [and I may grow some more, ha yeah right!] but it has put me in a good mood as at this moment in time we have more follies than we had when we abandoned last time, and we are going maximum dose stims so I have had a sharp few words with my ovaries, they are well aware failure is not an option <said in sr'nt major style voice>

Anyone else any experience of normal Day 2 scan pre-Short Protocol? I'm rubbish at remembering who has done what blush a quick google shows this is ok? I mean it's not going to be brilliant because I've already been written off by 1 consultant as old & barren hmm but 2-3 on each ovary is ok right?

Sooooo start jabbing this eve, oh joy of joys! Next scan Saturday then every 2 days after that. If we go to plan not bloody likely with my stupid body EC is going to be around about 2 weeks yesterday....

Sharonbenn Tue 26-Feb-13 17:08:34

Well done Scarlett. Sounds promising. Try to remain as positive as possible. try not to think of your body as stupid. Know that you and your body are doing your best. Be kind to yourself. I'm not very good at visualisation but there is a bit in the book Eat Pray Love where the wise old guru tells Liz to smile with her liver when she meditates. I'm trying to smile upon my ovaries. Gosh that sounds soft but hopefully you know what I mean smile

EuroShaggleton Tue 26-Feb-13 17:13:50

That sounds pretty good to me, Scarlett! Good luck for stimming!

vallinnapod Tue 26-Feb-13 19:40:33

Good luck Scarlett! I can't remember, but I have PCOs so I had millions but none worth counting at that stage IYSWIM!

delilah I don't think I can really add much to what everyone has already said but I'm thinking of you. So terribly sad. X

HontyTont Tue 26-Feb-13 19:48:53

delilah my heart goes out to you lovely. I can only imagine the pain both physical and emotional. Keep DH close share in your grief and let him smoother you in TLC. Don't going making any decisions either....there is plenty of time for that when you are recovered. Your babies will always be watching over you and know how much you wanted them. Big hugs xx

HontyTont Tue 26-Feb-13 19:53:17

north and val step away from the sticks! I can't even bring myself to POAS I'm so scared what it will say!

My OTD is 6th March....16 days post TRANSFER!!!!! I've got ages to go!! These clinics are useless at being consistent

Quick question my blood test results show I have slightly low progesterone...the nurse left me a message said there were 2 options but not what they were and for me to call her. Obviously by the time I picked up the message it was gone 5pm and no one around. Should I double up on my pessaries tonight and in the morning? What would this do? Also do I just shove one in after the other?

Thanks....I don't know what I would do without you!

HontyTont Tue 26-Feb-13 19:54:02

scarlett good luck within the stimming

vallinnapod Tue 26-Feb-13 20:03:32

Honty I wouldn't self medicate. What are you on? Your clinic must have an emergency number?

Last time I was on 400mg Cyclogest twice a day, had a major bleed/miscarriage at 6 weeks and they increased my dose to 400mg three times a day.

This time I am back to 400mg twice a day.

Not that that really helps..

At the risk of sounding like a complete hypocrite I would stay away from Google.

chocoloco1 Tue 26-Feb-13 20:18:03

Hello ladies

delilah still thinking of you x

hont I agree with vallinna about the emergency contact number, if poss.

noks thanks for letting me be an honorary Dorset gal!

scarlett scan sounds good, I've never dared to ask my antral follicle count at baseline scans as was too scared to find out! Which drugs are you on for your short protocol?

I was meant to test 15dpec last time, but didn't get to otd sadly. I'll be on gestone this time, rather than cyclogest, any experiences of it? Trigger injection at 10 tonight! Based on today's scan I should have 3 decent sized follicles by then which should contain eggs! bloody hope so after 13 days of stimming

Did any of you ladies have time off for the 2ww? I did last time, but not so sure what to do this time...

Northey Tue 26-Feb-13 20:20:12

I had a week off, but that was planned anyway, as it was half term (partner is a teacher).

Nokkie73 Tue 26-Feb-13 20:23:45

Hi all

delilah I have sat here for ages trying to formulate some words to say, something appropriate and positive and I just ended up a bit lost which is incredible because I am such a gobshite usually. My heart absolutely goes out to you and DH. It really does. I think like most of the ladies on here, I have been thinking about you today and I guess that's the best I can do. My thoughts are with you...funny how we've all never met but you end-up standing on the sidelines (in cyberspace, obviously) shouting for everyone like some demented person at a football match. I really hope you find some comfort in the fact that we are all thinking of you and begin to get a little stronger each day. Nxx

Afm - I think the dreaded DR hormones have now kicked-in, partly due to hearing someone at work describing how his two year olds made him laugh. I am fine with it usually as he's so understanding and has gone through the ivf process himself, so he knows what it's like but just sometimes, if you're caught off guard, it can hit you like a steam train and leave you wondering if it will ever happen.....soooooo i Thought I would come home and cheer myself up by listening to some music but so far I have cried to Abba (wtf ?) and daydream believer by the monkees. My disco stress busting session is NOT going well.

A pensive and blubbering Noks.xx

Sorry for the self indulgent post.....it just helps to get it out of your system sometimes.....

chocoloco1 Tue 26-Feb-13 20:35:51

Poor Noks, quick change the music! Hormones are a horrible thing. There was a woman in the waiting room at clinic today with a toddler screaming and I just wanted her to go away and couldn't make eye contact with her. We're putting our bodies through a hell of a lot with this assisted conception lark.

We're all here for you in your moments of sadness.

vallinnapod Tue 26-Feb-13 20:36:17

God no Choco I would go even more insane if I wasn't at work grin. Sorry to rake up bad memories but you say you didn't get to OTD. Did you get a period before then? I was wondering if that were possible or if all the fake hormones tricked you into thinking you were PG even if there was no implantation (IYSWIM) - then you get a period once you have a BFN and stop taking the artificial hormones.

Nokkie sorry disco hour is requiring an industrial quantity of Kleenex. I have tried to indulge in salacious gossip (DM Showbiz blush) but it seems EVERYONE is PG angry

vallinnapod Tue 26-Feb-13 20:37:14

PS my poor boobs...keep poking them to see if they are sore. Well, I say poke, it's more like a good grope wink

chocoloco1 Tue 26-Feb-13 20:43:00

Vallinna no worries about bad memories. I started bleeding the day before test day and was on cyclogest. I had some spotting from about a week after transfer, hence the consultant changing me to the injections this time. I have read for other people though that they don't bleed until progesterone support is withdrawn.

Still not sure about work, am a teacher, plus hour and a half commute each way. I did go mad last time though and Dr Google was really addictive!

vallinnapod Tue 26-Feb-13 21:42:35

There should be some blanket Google ban for all pregnant and potentially pregnant women!

ScarlettInSpace Tue 26-Feb-13 21:59:51

Im not taking the 2ww off if I get that far - spending 2 weeks looking at my tummy going 'what's going ON in there' would not be conducive to maintaining mental health!

I might book the wednesdays off each week though so I'm not overdoing things and I get a bit of headspace to mental, then I can concentrate on work better the 2 days at a time I am in [in principle lol]

HontyTont Tue 26-Feb-13 22:10:31

Thanks for the advice ladies...when I spoke to the nurse yesterday I asked her what they would do if my count was low and she said either increase cyclogest or injections....I'm just figuring that if they are the 2 options she is talking about then why not just take an extra one?

No emergency number to call I'm afraid sad and confused

HontyTont Tue 26-Feb-13 22:12:04

I went back to work the next day....I find it a great distraction!

Sharonbenn Tue 26-Feb-13 22:28:09

Hello ladies

I just wrote a post and now it's disappeared. Oh well if it turns up sorry for repeating myself

Noks are you feeling better? Hang in there. Tomorrow is another day. I tend to dance around the kitchen to Disco 2000smile

Choco and Scarlett good luck with the trigger and stimming. I expect you will have done them by now.

I have booked time off work diring 2ww. I've told them that I'm having a procedure and will be off for a few days sick then I've booked 2 weeks annual leave. Guys told me that all being well EC will be good Friday or Easter Monday. The test should fall half way through me being off. I figured that whatever the result DP and I will need the time together. I couldn't face going straight back to work either way.

I think it's great to be able to support each other. Be strong girls. Take care and sleep well.

Northey Wed 27-Feb-13 05:15:52

How are you feeling this morning, delilah? I hope the ward wasn't too awful overnight.

hont, in your position i'd probably just shove another one up.

I POASed again this morning. BFN again at 13dp EC. I really feel very pessimistic about this.

keepitgoing Wed 27-Feb-13 06:40:42

Hi everyone!
Delilah I'm so so sorry, what a hellish few weeks you've had. How scary for your dh, but he did the right thing. Have you got other family around to help you both at this awful time?

north sorry about the bfn, but crossing everything it's too early. Remember how pessimistic and sure euro was?

fairy grin on the scan, and good luck didals and euro

As for me, I had my baseline cd2 scan yesterday and started stimming on short protocol. 6 on one side 5 on t'other. I am on 200 dose which he said is low, next scan and blood test on sat, so I'm with Scarlett. Dh is doing all my jabs, I don't want to have to worry or think about it.

Sharonbenn Wed 27-Feb-13 07:56:02

Morning everyone

I hope you had a better nights sleep Delilah. Hug for you xxx

Well done Keep. Nice to 'see' you! I'm planning on getting DP to do my jabs cause I can't even look at a needle at the moment. I'll just have to take it jab by jab.

DP and I had a chat last night and I think the enormity of what we are about to do hit us. He is worried for me and all the things that could go wrong. From tomorrow I'm going to pump my body full of drugs that are going to have such an effect on me. It's scary. But I keep thinking of my lovely sweet niece and how i yearn for a child of my own. God I wish it didn't have to be this way.
However I don't want to start the day feeling negative so I'm going to do my best to focus on nice things like my funny friend at work who always makes me laugh.

Have a good day all.

Sharonbenn Wed 27-Feb-13 07:57:51

Oh I forgot Northey I'm sorry for the BFN. Keep is right remember Euro's experience. It's not over yet. X

keepitgoing Wed 27-Feb-13 08:03:05

Hi Sharon it sucks we're here, but it's exciting too. I feel better about it now we've started. No more choices, iykwim. Good luck starting the jabs. They don't hurt, I think that's the lease thing to worry about. We're in it together x
PS don't worry about feeling negative, that won't affect the outcome anyway.

Sharonbenn Wed 27-Feb-13 08:14:36

Hi Keep
Thanks. I'm so grateful for everyone's support. In RL I only know 1 person who had IVF and she is now pg naturally. She is supportive but is having a difficult pg (in hosp with morning sickness) so I don't want to bother her.

I'm sniffing from tomorrow. Then jabbing from 18th.

I am excited also. You are right. But I can't help thinking that I don't mind going through it all as long as it is a positive outcome. Oh well. I'm going to jump into the pool tomorrow from the top board. I'll hold my nose and hope for the best smile

vallinnapod Wed 27-Feb-13 09:09:51

Me too Northey....why did we do it to ourselves. Fancy a pact to try NOT to POAS tomorrow?? If we try not to tomorrow maybe we can 'allow' ourselves on Friday?!

I am very sad as by this time with DS I got a positive test.

Northey Wed 27-Feb-13 09:18:59

Oh good, I'm glad I'm not the only idiot with a complete lack of self control! Sorry that you also had a rubbish outcome. What are you testing on? I'm currently blaming it all on stupid insensitive Boots tests, and am plotting to buy some superdrug ones at lunch. That will definitely make it all alright hmm

vallinnapod Wed 27-Feb-13 09:22:52

eBay cheapies....got two swanky CB digitals and one CB normal (from the clinic) for OTD

EuroShaggleton Wed 27-Feb-13 09:49:36

Sorry about the tearful disco hour nokkie. Those drugs are awful. If they are indicative of what the menopause will be like, I have told Mr Euro he should run for cover until it is over!

choco I went straight back to work from ET and it was fine. I do have a desk job though. I would have gone insane stuck at home.

Happy stimming to keep and Scarlett. Good luck to those downregging. Be kind to yourselves to balance out the evilness of the drugs.

Norf and val sorry about the BFNs, but <listens> nope, I don't hear a fat lady singing yet.

delilah you were my first thought as I woke up this morning. I hope last night wasn't too awful on the ward. Hugs.

delilahbelle Wed 27-Feb-13 12:51:00

Hi all
Home now and a slow recuperation. DH still being amazing. I'll be lurking for a while, good luck to all!

vallinnapod Wed 27-Feb-13 12:57:55

Get some good movies and take it easy. Sounds stupid but drink loads of water as your kidneys will have been through a lot with drugs, the op etc. My thoughts are with you.

keepitgoing Wed 27-Feb-13 12:58:16

I don't hear the fat lady either...

Thank you, lovely Delilah I'm so glad you're home now.

Stabbing no.2 done! How many days do we anticipate? 14?

Also does anyone's clinic have an online patient information leaflet. Our clinic, abroad, answers questions when we ask but doesn't exactly volunteer it...

Nokkie73 Wed 27-Feb-13 13:01:51

Hello Wolf Pack

Noks now has wi-fi interweb access at work. Noks' productivity, which was shit to start with, may take a hit.....wink.

I had a really rough night last night and am feeling decidedly strange today. Not tears or anything but...just...strange. A bit 'starey out the window strange' and like someone has opened-up my head and thrown by addled brain on the skip strange, if you know what I mean.

choco & scarlett good luck with triggers and stimming. How have you got on ?

northey - you have been a naughty girl, haven't you ? Step away from the pee sticks and give yourself a break luv. This f'king process is torture enough without the added stress of the 2ww so I feel your pain.

keeps well done on the follies. grin

shazza are you on the long protocol at Guys ? Good luck with the sniffing. Have you had one yet this morning ?

valinn keep the faith. Xx

fairy, dildals and euro hello. Good luck with various things today (can't go back that far on the post !).

A big hi to everyone else. Am going to take my strange self out for a coffee now (decaf, of f'king course). Catch you lot later.

Keep smiling.

Noks x

Dildals Wed 27-Feb-13 14:14:33

euro your scan is tomorrow as well isn't it? What time are you on? Do I remember correctly you are at Create?

Dildals Wed 27-Feb-13 14:18:46

After hearing all these stories I am quite relieved I was on the short protocol!

EuroShaggleton Wed 27-Feb-13 14:19:24

I'm glad you are home delilah.

keep it depends on how well you react to the drugs, but I would expect rather fewer than 14.

Dildals my scan is indeed tomorrow - at lunchtime. What about you? Yes, we are at Create.

Sharonbenn Wed 27-Feb-13 14:27:27

Hi girls

Delilah glad you are home safe and sound. Take care of yourself. Lurk away. We don't want to lose you although it's totally understandable to take a step back.

Thanks Noks. I start tomorrow. I'm going to get it all out ready tonight So that I can go for it in the morning with minimal faffing. I love that you called me shazza. It's my nickname from my friends so am happy to hear it here. grin I hope you feel better after your decaf. I guess just go with what you are feeling and be kind to yourself at home tonight.

Keep - guys have an online PDF
http://www.ivfdirect.com/home.aspx. You can find the link on the front page. Well done with stimming no 2. Scarlett how are you getting on?

Choco is EC tomorrow? What time?

Hello to everyone else. How ste you all doing? I hope you are all enjoying your Wednesdays.

Shazzamattazza wink X

Dildals Wed 27-Feb-13 14:29:17

euro 13.00 for me at Guys. How are you feeling? Do you feel pregnant at all?

EuroShaggleton Wed 27-Feb-13 15:15:09

Dildals not really! My boobs are still hurty and I'm very bloated today, but the insomnia seems to be easing and I have no other symptoms. What about you? What point will you be tomorrow? I'll be 6+1.

Dildals Wed 27-Feb-13 15:21:53

I will be 7+3. There are days I feel preg and days where I am not sure ... I do feel a bit nauseous today, but TBH I think it's just the nerves for tomorrow!
Oh can I just say that my boobs look AH-MAH-ZING. I think I am going to get a cast made of them and buy a baby grand piano to put the cast on top of.

Northey Wed 27-Feb-13 15:27:05

I have just bought FOUR more pee sticks. Sigh.

Sharonbenn Wed 27-Feb-13 15:32:31

Blimey Northey! Save them til OTD x

vallinnapod Wed 27-Feb-13 16:59:59

Northey - I am really resolving not to test tomorrow!! Come join me!! WILL. NOT. TEST. WILL. NOT. TEST.

Drinks shed loads of water so you'll be peeing all the time and it will be too dilute anyway!

PS - you really should have invested in the eBay cheapies - I have 20 for £3 blush

euro and dildals good luck tomorrow on your scans. I hope you are not as panicked as I was. Nice to hear about the bosoms!

shazza and noks hope the down regging isn't too bad. I really don't understand why the default protocol is the one that is longest, costliest and has the most severe side effects and only if that doesn't work they switch you to the easier, cheaper protocol. Are the success rates that much better with long protocol? Anyway I found the anticipating treatment a lot more unsettling than just doing it so I hope you find the same.

northey and valinna at my clinic they don't recommend using a urine test until you are 18 dpec so please don't give up hope. I hated POAS because I always felt the neg test was saying "you fail" and judging me somehow.

del thinking of you lurking offstage. X

chocoloco1 Wed 27-Feb-13 20:49:00

Hello lovely ladies,

delilah still thinking of you

hont did you hear back from the clinic about the progesterone?

northey and vallinna hang on in there

keep and scarlett hope the stabbing is going ok

dildals and euro looking forward to hearing about your scans tomorrow

shazza sorry you've been feeling a bit flat about starting treatment, it is a roller coaster, no doubt about it, but I tried to look positively on it when I could as I knew I would have no chance of getting pregnant without it. I wish I was at the start of this cycle again as it seems to have flown by! Chin up and get sniffing tomorrow!

Afm, did the trigger last night and egg collection booked for tomorrow at 9.00 and got to be there for 7.30. Am feeling really nervous, more so than last time. Not sure if I'm more nervous about the anaesthetic or the outcome.

vallinnapod Wed 27-Feb-13 21:18:32

Good luck tomorrow Choco! I LOVED the sedation I had with EC as I was sleeping really badly at the time wink

chocoloco1 Wed 27-Feb-13 21:26:22

Thanks vallinna. That's a very good point as all the fretting has been keeping me awake too and I remember how snuggled I felt in the bed after last time, it was good. How's the resolve for not testing tomorrow? wink

ScarlettInSpace Wed 27-Feb-13 22:02:06

V quick post to say good luck choc

Sorry no name checks, full dose stims has knocked me sideways I think so been in bed since I got in from the office, working from home tomorrow in my onesie, don't tell my boss hopefully My body will level out a bit when it gets used to the hormones!

Nokkie73 Wed 27-Feb-13 22:19:19


euro good luck for tomorrow Hun. Xx

delilah glad to have you back lurking. Hope you're feeling a bit better. Xx

dildals how are your magnificent bristols this evening ? Have they been cast yet grin. Good luck for tomorrow. Xx

fairy now you've said I did wonder about the long protocol.....I will ask when I'm on on Friday. I guess it's too late to do anything about it now but it may be good to know in the future. How are you doing petal ? Xx

choco best of luck for tomorrow. Xx

scarlett sorry to hear you're feeling shitty. Hope tomorrow is a better day for you.

shazza sniff well and sniff strong my friend ! Let me know how you get on with it.

AFm...well am trying not to think about all this for just five f'king minutes a little while and am contemplating buying tickets for the Book of Mormon, the new naughty musical from the creators of South Park just to have something normal to look forward to. I just throw it out there to get your thoughts.

Noks xx

EuroShaggleton Wed 27-Feb-13 22:45:28

delilah before I head to bed I just wanted to say that someone was asking after you on the Oct 2013 thread so I said what had happened. I was very hesitant to, but I figured you had posted it here, and I didn't want anyone messaging you with anything upsetting or anything. There is a lot of love over there for you, as there is on this thread. I hope your husband is still being wonderful and taking great care of you.

Night all.

ScarlettInSpace Wed 27-Feb-13 22:45:45

Oooh good luck euro too

I'm shit have I missed anyone else with a scan or otherwise tomorrow??

Sharonbenn Wed 27-Feb-13 22:48:24

Hello girls

Thanks Fairy and Choco. I'm feeling nervously excited about starting. I can't believe the time has come. Im the last one of us to start aren't i? Choco it's a good point about noting the beginning of my cycle. I cant say I'll enjoy it cause thats not the right term but I hope to be mindful of what I'm doing. This is our chance. It's got to be better than literally shooting in the dark and being disappointed month after month. Now at least I'm able to do something practical to give us a chance.

Scarlett I hope you are ok. Sleep well.
Keep how are you doing today?

Vall and Northey HOLD TIGHT! Honty are you managing to resist?

Euro and Dildals best of luck for tomorrow. Sounds silly but do you get to see a pic tomorrow? So exciting.

Noks how are you feeling tonight?

And Del hugs for you.

Sorry if I've missed anyone.

Night all. Got to get my beauty sleep wink

Shazza x

Sharonbenn Wed 27-Feb-13 22:51:08

You all posted while I was writing! Bedtime now. Mr Shaz has already gone. At least the bed will be warm!
Night x

Sharonbenn Wed 27-Feb-13 22:52:51

Ps noks the book of Mormon supposed to be fab. Go for it!

Nokkie73 Wed 27-Feb-13 23:27:58

Val & Northey - sorry, missed you off. Hope you two have a less frustrating day tomorrow.

Shazza - sleep tight. Talking of which, I'm off to my pit now.


HontyTont Thu 28-Feb-13 01:09:20

Hi All...well off to NY in a few hours so I maybe out of comms for a while. Although I am sure I will log on at every available opportunity to see how you are all doing

Clinic came back and told me to increase dose to 3 bum bullets a day...I was using the front entrance until today! If a get spotting then increase to 4 times a day!

I have managed to resist POAS....north val give yourselves a break!

choco good lunch for tomorrow how u get a cracking harvest

delilah still sending you hugs

Ladies who have stated stimming....hang in there...

Hello everyone else...I'm going to try and get a couple of hours sleep before the alarm goes off

Night x

HontyTont Thu 28-Feb-13 01:11:02

Choco I meant good luck and hope you get a good harvest!

Have a good lunch too smile

Sharonbenn Thu 28-Feb-13 07:06:04

And she's off.....budge up everyone I'm on the bus!

Have a fab trip Honty. I'm so envious I LOVE NYC. Go and grab some bargains in Century 21 grin

Shaz x

vallinnapod Thu 28-Feb-13 07:29:36

Have a fab times in NYC!!

Lying in bed, very late for work really trying to resist POAS when I do get up!

keepitgoing Thu 28-Feb-13 07:34:51

Yay shaz! Welcome.

Good luck choco - hope you get lots of eggs.
euro hope you're not too nervous, am sure it'll be fine.

north and val - no testing!

vallinnapod Thu 28-Feb-13 09:35:50

WOOHHOOOO!!! I did it! Here I am, sitting at work, having not POAS this morning grin

Sharonbenn Thu 28-Feb-13 09:44:20

Well done Vall. Good girl!

I'm sitting at my desk feeling slightly (and strangely) euphoric. I feel empowered i wonder how long it will last?

SpanishLady Thu 28-Feb-13 09:55:14

Good morning!

Would you ladies mind giving me some advice? A good friend of mine is about to embark on her second round of IVF - she is taking some time off around the egg collection etc part of the process and as I wasnt in the UK last time (which obviously sadly didnt work) - want to be more supportive this time round.

I have had the idea of putting together for want of a better name - a care package for her to help her relax/stay upbeat during this cycle. I was thinking films (comedies/romcoms), music, candles whatever - I guess I want to know if this is totally nuts and if not if there is something I could add to it that I wouldnt be aware would be useful/helpful in the circumstances.

Any suggestions gratefully received!

keepitgoing Thu 28-Feb-13 09:55:16

Good girl val!! I am really not going to test early, I'm not I'm not I'm not tell me that in three weeks

shaz we felt that way after first jab too. Action, at last!!! Is sniffing as easy as it sounds?!

keepitgoing Thu 28-Feb-13 10:06:35

spanishlady that sounds lovely! I'm not sure if this is relevant to you as she's clearly confided in you, but while I've told my family we're doing this I don't want them to know the actual times, as it's even more pressure. I'd let her lead on sharing info. But the package is a lovely way of saying you're there for her.

EuroShaggleton Thu 28-Feb-13 10:16:35

spanish some DVDs and some chocolate or something like that would be lovely (skip the chocolate if she is doing uber-clean living for the IVF though - some folks do). That's a really lovely thought. I think the hardest thing about the process is the waiting so anything to help pass the time would be welcome. You sound like a really nice friend.

nok it was Mr Euro's birthday this week and I tried desperately to get Book of Mormon tickets but it was completely sold out. We went for One Man, Two Guvnors instead, which was really funny. I still want to see Mormon though, so I hope they release more tickets.

honty I'm very jealous, it will be fantastic.

val such self-restraint!

Sharon probably until the side effects kick in! But more seriously, after the time we have all had waiting for our bodies to do something of their own accord, starting IVF feels like a positive proactive step.

Norf how are you doing today?

vallinnapod Thu 28-Feb-13 10:45:51

Sharon - I felt great the second I started IVF. I had terrible headaches and fatique on the buserelin but the fact we were moving forward and doing something about it made me feel really positive.

Spanish does she have an iPhone/pad? One of those really annoying apps like Fruit Ninja does wonders for whiling away hours... not that I would know, honest

I am feeling cocky now and am wondering if I can hold off testing tomorrow too like hell I can

SpanishLady Thu 28-Feb-13 11:20:06

appreciate your replies - thanks so much

by the way - Good luck everyone!

Dildals Thu 28-Feb-13 11:22:48

spanish What a lovely idea! These are my suggestions to put in:
- decaf tea / coffee
- Zita West relaxation podcast
- pregnacare prenatal vitamins
- alcohol free sparkling wine (Sainsbury's bottom shelf! I have tried many this one is the best ;-) (or Becks Blue or the Weissenbier if she's more a beer lady)
& just keeping busy is best, so maybe take her out for walks or something new to do to keep her mind of things in the 'waiting period'.
Icecubes are good to rub against your belly before and after injecting, but they probably won't keep in a package!
Elasticated trousers will come in handy at one point but probably better not to include them ...
Maybe a nice fluffy bathrobe for the egg collection if she hasn't got one.
Good luck to your friend!

Dildals Thu 28-Feb-13 11:24:55

I got tickets for The Book of Mormon! They went really quickly though!

EuroShaggleton Thu 28-Feb-13 11:37:42

Ooo, I'll have to try again. Maybe they have released some more!

Arghhelp Thu 28-Feb-13 11:43:19

Hello everyone,..yeyy I think I found the egg buddies thread after all...keepitgoing are you here? Hello EuroShaggleton...So history is I had two miscarriages and an ectopic some years back...was diagnosed with Endometriosis then had IVF and a gorgeous DS as a result..now going again for number two but have been advised to do ICSI and was so stressssssed about it...could really do with some virtual hand holding because I dont seem to remember anything and am feeling tired even before i started....am on the short protocol this time and start the northesterone tablets on the 14th march.... sad why am i already stressed and tired? argh smile

Dildals Thu 28-Feb-13 11:47:45

Oh, forgot to mention I got them ages ago though! :-)

ScarlettInSpace Thu 28-Feb-13 12:10:27

val I am very impressed at your restraint grin I don't know about you but if I can just get past the FMU then I lose a lot of the temptation - you need a distraction in the morning then you will make it to saturday, can you give the tests to your OH?

keep I don't know if you asked here or on brooking blush but I'm on max stims, 6 powders so 2 jabs a night - they sting more than I remember but OH thinks this may be because last time I had 3-4 weeks of down reg injections to lead up to it last time so I was used to it by the time I got to stims.

honty have a fab time in NYC! am well jell...

hello arg and big waves to everyone else grin

Great news everyone - my acu referred to a book [so this is an actual fact Out Of A Book] and confirmed that the milk thing is as follows: alongside stimming: 2 portions of Full Fat Dairy per day, a portion can be whole milk on cereal [puke, I hate milk, and whole milk is getting nowhere near my mouth], a full fat yoghurt [hmmm maybe], a milkshake with whole milk [Frijj contains whole milk - Fudge Brownie Frijj mmmmmm], a lump of full fat cheese [woooohooooooo!!!] AND FULL FAT ICE CREAM YAAAAY!!! gringrin.


Sharonbenn Thu 28-Feb-13 12:41:24

Hello everyone

I've nipped to the loo for a quick catch up!

Keep. The sniffing was ok. I thought I'd done it wrong though cause I expected a gush and then it all dripping down my throat but it was so fine mist I thought I hadn't done enough. Then my nose tickled and started running and I felt sneezy. Now my nose feels abit burning inside but I feel ok.

Good luck everyone with scans today. Choco how did you get on?

Spanishlady you sound like a lovely friend. All good ideas do far. Make sure the films aren't about babies ie not sex and the city for example! I'd agree with offering to spend time with your friend if she feels like it and listening without telling her that it will be ok if she relaxes. It's hard to keep hearing that.

On that note welcome Argh! You are in the right place for support. Hang out with us for abit and hopefully you will feel better. I've also been quite stressed about it all but feeling much better now I've begun. (today is my 1st day of long protocol).

Damn it re the Mormon tickets. I was going to get some today. It was such a good idea. Finally a musical that DP would go to!

Hope everyone else is ok. Sorry for not name checking all. I'd better get back but I'm thinking of you all.

Shaz x

Sharonbenn Thu 28-Feb-13 12:45:03

Hi Scarlett

I'm on a no dairy diet so I've been taking Hemp powder instead. It makes my cereal taste like wet sand. God I long for full fat dairy ice cream!

Nokkie73 Thu 28-Feb-13 13:02:05

Happy lunch y'all

honts noo yoik is totes amazeballs. Myself and Mr Noks spent our birthdays there a few years ago and had a wicked time. Have yourself a blast AND a glass of champers too.

shazza we were keeping your sear warm anyway luv. How are you feeling, apart from euphoric and generally fabulous ? grin. It's exciting, isn't it ? X

spanishlady what a lovely thought. I have to say that the people who have supported me the most are the ones who give you a little but of time to either talk, rant, rave, laugh, cry or just listen. I know you can't wrap it up but time is one of the best things you can give to your friend. X

euro the website is totally pants for trying to book tickets. The theatre isn't that far away from where I work so I may take a walk down there next week. Dd you want me to let you know how I get in ? How's you today ? X

argh hello ! You've come to the right place for handholding ! Xx

scarlett you have got to be kidding me right ? I've got acu on Sat so will ask mine then...but will defo have some full fat ice cream and some cheese on my pasta in the meantime, just to make sure i need no encouragement to be a greedy bitch

Hope you're doing well girls. Hi to the rest of the gang.

Noks x

Nokkie73 Thu 28-Feb-13 13:03:18

euro f'king typo. I will get IN through the door I suspect. I will let you know how I get ON if you like ! X

ScarlettInSpace Thu 28-Feb-13 13:17:34

Noks there was also a load of guff about adjusting your diet to allow for the extra fat/calories in ful fat cheese etc but to be honest I stopped listening after she said Ice Cream grin

shaz No dairy - omg I think I would actually die without cheese grin

ScarlettInSpace Thu 28-Feb-13 13:20:14

spanish I agree with what everone has said, I'd add the opportunity to go and do something completely unrelated one afternoon maybe. This tends to take over your life, and i don't know about anyone else but I bore myself talking/thinking about it all sometimes tbh!

Nokkie73 Thu 28-Feb-13 13:24:35

scarlett brilliant. Have just laughed out loud. I would be exactly the same as you. 'La la la la ICE CREAM la la la la CHEESE la la la la'.

EuroShaggleton Thu 28-Feb-13 13:48:18

Hello Argh! I'm glad you found us.

Yes thanks nok.

I'm also no dairy (well small amounts now). I developed an intolerance after practically living on cheese as a poor veggie student. I am now at the point where I am reintroducing small amounts in the safety of my own home.

Well ladies, I am just back from my scan and it is not good news. The sac is visible but it's about half the size it should be for 6 weeks. I have a rescan booked for a week's time, but I think I know how this one ends. Am back at work and trying to hold it together so please don't say anything to make me cry!

I hope Dildals has a better report to give. x

Sharonbenn Thu 28-Feb-13 14:01:05

Euro I've made another trip to the loo. I'm not going to say anything. Well ok just a little something. Be strong. It's not over yet. Your little one is hanging on in there and they will look after you both. Big love xx

ScarlettInSpace Thu 28-Feb-13 14:18:47

<gives euro a man-like non-emotional pat on the shoulder so as not to bring on tears at work> xx

euro you're just over 6 weeks, right? V v early, I bet it can catch up. Otherwise stiff upper lip and all that although I have certainly cried at work before, more than once and for much less important reasons!

Northey Thu 28-Feb-13 14:58:45

Oh God, euro. Nothing we can donon these situations but wait, hope for the best and prepare for the worst. I wish I knew what to say.

ScarlettInSpace Thu 28-Feb-13 15:14:53

hope for the best, prepare for the worst

I heard this on the TV the other day and decided it was going to be my motto for this bout of IVF...

Dildals Thu 28-Feb-13 16:20:58

Hi euro, sorry to hear that, I have been there before, it's not a nice place to be. I just went home today after the scan, I couldn't face sitting at work, whichever way the dice were going to fall.

I do have some good news to share though. This place is like a soap, joy and grief are so close together. I had my scan today at 7+5 and we saw 2 little heartbeats fluttering. We are still in shock. We had discussed the possibility of twins, DH always wanted more than 1 child, I wasn't going to get any younger, and you get only one shot on the NHS (whatever NICE says). In the end we decided to take the advice from the clinic. They advised to place back 2. One grade 1 and one grade 3BB. Now I haven't researched this but I don't think that's particularly good grades (which will save us fees on public school then) but they seem to have done alright. The nurse said they both looked good and were in a good place. One is a bit smaller than the other and both of them show smaller than 7+5, but at that size I reckon we should cut them some slack. Oh and I have pictures too! :-)

I had myself totally convinced it wasn't going to be twins, because I haven't been that nauseous at all, no vomiting, nothing. My GP previously had said 'you'll know about it when it's twins ....'.

Still acutely aware of all the things that can go wrong but it is a major hurdle successfully scaled, next up 12 week scan. On the phone to my GP as we speak!

EuroShaggleton Thu 28-Feb-13 16:29:49

Dildals twins! Blimey. I'm so glad it was good news. x

Sharonbenn Thu 28-Feb-13 16:37:28

Oh wow dildals twins! How exciting. AND you have pictures. I'm really thrilled for you. Congratulations. Xx

Dildals- yay! How wonderful. I read somewhere that if they see a heartbeat at 7 weeks the chance of mc if you have no bleeding drops to less than 5%. So you should be very reassured. And the instant family will be a plus in the long term!

What a game of chance this all is.

ScarlettInSpace Thu 28-Feb-13 16:52:05

This thread twists and turns like a twisty turny thing.

fab new dildals huge congrats!

chocoloco1 Thu 28-Feb-13 17:34:05

Hang on in there euro

Good news dildals

Had egg collection today and they got 1 egg. Now have the hideous wait to find out whether it fertilises. Any positive thoughts and crossed body parts very welcome.

Sorry for no other mentions, just got to get through to 8 tomorrow morning.

Sharonbenn Thu 28-Feb-13 17:37:22

Choco! I've been thinking of you today. Sending you loads of positive thoughts. Are you having ICSI or are the swimmers going for it as we speak? Oh I REALLY hope they are Olympic athletes smile. Fingers, toes, eyes everything crossed for you. X

chocoloco1 Thu 28-Feb-13 18:01:56

Thanks so much Shazza, and glad the sniffing is going ok. It's ICSI. The things we put ourselves through!

EuroShaggleton Thu 28-Feb-13 18:33:18

Sending your embie fertilising vibes choco. How did you find EC?

chocoloco1 Thu 28-Feb-13 18:39:01

Thanks euro Ec ok, made easier by the lovely, lovely nurses at our clinic. Keep your chin up, hope you're o

chocoloco1 Thu 28-Feb-13 18:39:23


Sharonbenn Thu 28-Feb-13 19:01:38

What clinic are you at choco? Sorry if I've missed it.

vallinnapod Thu 28-Feb-13 20:06:04

Wow Dildals fantastic news grin

Fingers crossed choco!

Arghhelp Thu 28-Feb-13 20:50:09

Oh dear...am completely lost...I cant even find myself on this thread it is moving so fast...haha smile

Arghhelp Thu 28-Feb-13 21:34:21

Good luck chocoloco....we have to do ICSI too. Congrats Dildals...fantastic... smile Am sorry but I am a little lost here...did you do IVF or ICSI?

HontyTont Thu 28-Feb-13 22:31:42

A huge NY wave to you all.....it's been fab so far, going out for dinner in a couple of hours and want to get a bit of kip before, but also wanted to catch up on events of today

I'm going to be brief so apologies for not name checking everyone

euro hang in there....I'd dont hear the fat lady singing
dildals amazing amazing news...huge congrats
choco it only takes one! Fingers crossed you get fertilisation
north tomorrow is OTD right? I will be thinking of you and checking in when I can

I'm struggling with timings for my drugs....today I have kept to UK times but will have to switch to NY times for tomorrow otherwise will be getting up at 2am for bum bullet insertion! Is that right? It just feels odd that its only 5.30 here and I won't be taking anything now until I get up tomorrow around 9.....I hope that's right. If anyone has any advice please let me know.

Going to have a glass of bubble tonight...have managed to stay away from the pee sticks...am going to buy some here to bring home for OTD though. I'm tempted to test on Saturday DHs birthday... 4 days before OTD...what do you think?

Will be off to distract myself further tomorrow and bag some bargains at Century 21


Nokkie73 Thu 28-Feb-13 22:42:40


Feck I'm bored. Mr Noks is at work and even the cat has buggered off upstairs, so I'm drinking my 15th glass of squash and trawling through the Sky+ box for stuff to watch. Pfff.


euro try to keep the faith. You've come this far so until they tell you it's over, it's most definitely not. thanks xx

dildals woweee. Lovely news. Well done ! Am so pleased for you and Mr D. Rest-up and take care if yourself and the little ones. Xx

choco all it takes is one ! Will be thinking of you tomorrow morning and am sending your little one all the baby dust I can find. Let us know how you get on. Xx

shazza how are you feeling after sniff number 2 ? All ok ? Hope so. Xx

North, fairy, arghh, valinn and all the rest of the cool cats on the thread HELLO !

I have my scan at 4pm tomorrow to see if I'm ready to go onto stimms. I have been told to take my Gonal f pen with me but am a bit confused as it's supposed to be refrigerated. Can anyone shed any light on this for me ?

Noks x

Nokkie73 Thu 28-Feb-13 22:44:31

hont hello ! Hope NYC is treating you well. Enjoy that glass of fizz and if you do decide to test, best of British ! Xx

Sharonbenn Thu 28-Feb-13 23:21:24

Hello everyone

Noks, I asked about the refrigeration thing cause Guys told me to take the gonal f pen as well to my next appt on the 18th. She said to put it in the fancy purple bag that the drugs came in with an ice block if you have one. If not, maybe anything frozen....fish?! That would be hilarious if you got out a nice piece of cod before your pen!! Mind you then your fancy drugs bag would smell of fish which is not a good look.

I know this sounds abit ridiculous cause how could I possibly cock up something so simple but I think I'm doing the spray wrong. I'm full of resolve to give it a really forceful squirt then it takes me by surprise and only a little bit comes out. And sort of 2 squirts went in one side. A plus is that my nose definitely feels odd and abit burning so something is going in. How long did you all DR for? I've got 19 days is that normal?

Argh - don't worry you will catch up. I lurked around for ages until I caught up. Mainly cause I'm a few weeks behind everyone else and I didn't know what they were talking about. But today I imagined not having found this thread and doing this completely on my own. Luckily I didn't dwell on that thought for long. I'm really happy to be in this wolf pack as Noks would say grin

Oops long post. Why use 5 words when 50 will do!

Hello everyone else. Hope you are all ok.

Shaz xx

Sharonbenn Thu 28-Feb-13 23:24:15

Honty glad you arrived safe and sound. Enjoy the champers and good luck if you decide to test. Happy birthday to mr h! X

Nokkie73 Fri 01-Mar-13 00:28:23

shazzamatazza I do know what you mean about the whole squirting thing. I expected it to be much more dramatic than it actually is. It's quite a small squirt of liquid and you do 't imagine something so innocuous can wreak so much chaos and destruction.....but it soooooooo can ! Keep doing what you're doing. I found it all a bit of an anti-climax the first few times but once the symptoms kick in, you'll realise that it's working ! I promise. I'm on it for 14 days but I guess I'll have to wait until tomorrow to see if they want to keep me on it for a bit longer. As to whether or not 19 days is normal, the only rules here, as Sir Bradley Pitt said in Fight Club, are that there are no rules. Guys seem to know what they're doing so just go with what they say. If you're unsure, do ask them why. That's what they're there for and never feel like you're bothering them or asking a silly question.

I checked with the consultant about the pen and he said it's fine to take it out of the fridge along to the appointment at 4pm. I'm going to pop it into my Pimms cool box (I know, I'm so achingly hip and trendy hmm ). I'll, um, leave the fishy ice block if you don't mind ! grin

Speak in the morning Hun.

Nite nite.

Noks x

keepitgoing Fri 01-Mar-13 02:24:25

Hi Argh welcome! I'm here, but live in Thailand at the moment, so post at random times... Don't fret, we'll get you through. One step at a time is my motto (along with 'it only takes one' and 'hope for the best, prepare for the worst'). My next step is scan tomorrow - I started stimming on Tuesday - so I'm just concentrating on that or it's too overwhelming.

euro, oh god, I am so sorry. What a horrible situation, and now you have to wait a week. We are all praying to everything that Barry is just on the small side. I'm thinking of you and your dh.

choco well done on the egg. iOTO. This first phone call must be awful to wait for!

dildals twins!!! Omg congratulations!!

Northey Fri 01-Mar-13 05:14:10

Good luck choco and congratulations dildals.

Just popping in to say its still bfn at 10dp5dt. Breasts pretty normal. Not holding out much hope for OTD tomorrow.

keepitgoing Fri 01-Mar-13 05:35:06

Oh bugger, north. I'm so sorry x

Northey Fri 01-Mar-13 05:38:01

At least we have four frozen (albeit fractionally below the clinic's freezing criteria).

Anyone know if clinics tend to let you go straight from a short protocol cycle in to a FET one? Or will I have to wait 3 months or something?

keepitgoing Fri 01-Mar-13 06:16:21

Yes, that's brilliant, and dildals 3bb is doing well.

My clinic told me I could do a FET the very next cycle, (im not that positive...) but I'm in Thailand so NHS might be different. Anyway, shows it's possible.

Are you OK? What about your dh?

keepitgoing Fri 01-Mar-13 06:17:33

I meant I'm not positive about my cycle, but that is def what they said. I just like to have a plan in case it doesn't work.

chocoloco1 Fri 01-Mar-13 07:22:16

Sorry to hear about BFN northey, but it's not over yet.

Well, embryologist called early, to give us good news. The little beauty fertilised! Will get a call later today and probably have a 2 day transfer tomorrow. Thank you so much for all your positive thoughts x

vallinnapod Fri 01-Mar-13 07:26:38

Me too Northey. 13dpec (if EC had occurred...) Can't help but think that that is the unmistakable sound of the fat lady warming up.

Northey Fri 01-Mar-13 07:27:43

Congratulations, choco - great news.

Thanks kig, I am ok. It helps to be working out what I can do next and when.

Northey Fri 01-Mar-13 07:28:34

Oh crap, van. I'm sorry sad

Sharonbenn Fri 01-Mar-13 08:25:59

Morning girls

Norf and Vall bugger I'm really sorry. How disappointing after everything. Take it easy both of you. I can only imagine how you are feeling. I know the fear in my own head of it not working and it doesn't feel like its going to be an easy place. I'm thinking of you.

Norf I'm sure the nurse at Guys said that if we were lucky enough to get an embie to freeze, we wouldn't have to wait 3 months to do a FET but I can't remember how long we would have to wait. Oh I really feel for you both so much.

Choco - that's amazing. Your little one came through and will be tucked up inside you very soon. You must be soooo relieved to get over that hurdle.

Noks thanks for the encouragement. Today's squirt didn't go much better. I think I'm going to do a little one into the air tonight just to reassure myself that something does actually come out. Good luck for this afternoon. Fingers crossed you start stimming today. Pure class taking the pen in a pimms cool bag xx

I got the tell tale 'a week before my period is due my period is coming' sign this morning so I know for def that our last ditch attempt at trying naturally didn't work. Ah well we are on our way now.

How is everyone else?

Did anyone notice how light it was this morning? Daylight at 6.30. Thank goodness.

Have a good day all.

Shazza xx

Dildals Fri 01-Mar-13 10:47:47

Really sorry for you northey and vallina .... It's such a game of chance isn't it.

After the elation of yesterday I am, to use the technical term, freaking out about the thought of twins. I am not sure why, there's nothing in particular, it's just the whole thought that is so completely and utterly overwhelming. A couple of weeks ago I wasn't pregnant and now I am all of a sudden pregnant with twins!? WTF. I guess it is totally normal to freak out, who wouldn't really. Before I met DH I didn't even really want children, I am not really good with children either, and now I will have TWO?! EEK. (I do want children with my DH btw, because he's AWESOME and incredibly handsome ;-. He was also a complete tearaway when he was little, which worries me a slightly!).

When I was pregnant before (which sadly ended in a missed miscarriage) I immediately felt attached and really protective of 'Barry'. But with this pregnancy, I feel like I am holding out on really believing it until the next hurdle, because it's IVF it just feels much more precarious for some reason. Now I worry I am not bonding. Am I worrying too much?

Sorry to post this, while there are people that have BFNs, I realise me and Fairy are the only ones left with BFPs ... sorry if this is painful for people ... this thread is a bit of a rollercoaster isn't.

Sharonbenn Fri 01-Mar-13 11:09:11

Hello dildals

Im v quiet at work and no boss so can reply today.
ivf seems to be a roller coaster and this thread reflects that sad reality. Thank goodness we can support eachother. It is inconceivable to me now that I could possibly do this on my own so thank you girls.

Euro is also with you and fairy and we are all aware that it is a roll of the dice unfortunately. We are here to support you.

I imagine that it is normal to panic about having a child let alone 2 at once. I know that mr S and i are really worried about it But you will cope and I'm sure your twins will be a delight as soon as you clap eyes on them. Don't worry about bonding. You have 9 months of carrying them. I'm sure all 3 of you will be well acquainted by the time they pop out smile.

I understand that you are hesitant but for today try to relax and enjoy having them on board.

Have a lovely day

Shaz xx

Dildals Fri 01-Mar-13 11:39:52

Thanks Shazza - just need a voice of reason today :-)

Sharonbenn Fri 01-Mar-13 11:43:19

Pleasure any time. I just need to take my own advice now.

Ps IF I find myself in the position of having twins and am having kittens at the idea, you have my permission to cut and paste the below and send it back to me in huge red letters grin x

Hi dildals don't worry, i feel very similar. I was nosing around the oct antenatal club thread and many of the women there have named their embryo and are discussing cloth vs disposable nappies and I don't feel anything like that at all. I expected to feel ecstatic to get to this stage and although I am on a rational level pleased I don't feel very relaxed or happy. But I felt similarly with DS because he came at absolutely the wrong time for my career and I was terrified I would get sacked as soon as my preg became known(although I know they can't legally do that).

But once I got to about 16 weeks and felt him kicking and stopped feeling pukey I became really happy. I think it's really hard to bond when you honestly just feel as though you have a weird minor flu for weeks on end. But it will come. As you say as it is ivf and we know from others on the thread how lucky we are it is really difficult to relax.

I also understand fears re twins particularly if you were not previously mad keen on a brood but once you have them you will feel as though they are the most wonderful creatures ever. Even if you are almost dead with exhaustion.

I don't mean to sound preachy but I am feeling the same way so don't worry.

HontyTont Fri 01-Mar-13 12:20:50

Morning all...

north and van how are you both...is the fat lady signing or is there still a chance?

I was going to to a test this morning but ran to the loo to wee to stop myself...maybe to tomorrow, but I'm scared. At least while you don't know there is still hope...although I feel absolutely nothing, no different to a normal cycle so I'm trying to prepare for the worst.

choco woohoo for your little embie...I had 2 collected, they saw one initially fertilised so that was going back in on day 2...then they saw cell division on the second one so thought it was a lower grade and worth putting in so I had both at day 2....good luck! The only problem with day 2 is its a bloody long wait till OTD! I transferred same day as North and her OTD is today....mine is Wednesday!

argh it's good to have you on board....this lovely bunch are an absolute diamond group of ladies

dils I'm not surprised you are freaked! I would be....but it's also the most precious news...treasure it

<wave to everyone else> I'm off to Pastis for breakfast.....eggs benedict I think or maybe French toast (oh yes that's the other thing my transfer doc told me to carry on eating as normal...no pregnancy diet I.e runny eggs are ok....anyone else been told that?

Have a lovely day folks xxx

HontyTont Fri 01-Mar-13 12:23:21

Thanks for birthday wishes for Mr H too....he was very touched when I told him....40th tomorrow and maybe me POAS.....

Dildals Fri 01-Mar-13 13:24:57

hontytont Don't have any Pastis for breakfast though!

I didn't get told anything about diet I think. I did have runny eggs the other day ... oops

Thanks for the encouraging words fairy it's not preachy, it's exactly what I want to hear! Keep on preaching!

Did any of you research taking baby aspirin by the way?

EuroShaggleton Fri 01-Mar-13 13:44:44

My clinic puts everyone on low dose aspirin as standard so I was on it. I think it was pointless for me as all of clotting tests were clear, but I figured it couldn't hurt.

Sharonbenn Fri 01-Mar-13 14:16:56

When are we supposed to take baby aspirin? I have seen it mentioned in other things I've read.

Glad you are having a good time Honty. Have some eggs for me runny or otherwise. I'm really missing a nice fried egg sarnie. Damn these food intolerances. X

Dildals Fri 01-Mar-13 14:47:57

I think it is supposed to help a) with implantation b) something around the 9/10 week mark when the placenta takes over. I asked the nurse, but don't think they're a big believer. I might start taking it, if it doesn't hurt.

Dildals Fri 01-Mar-13 14:50:52


Dildals Fri 01-Mar-13 15:06:31

euro until when were you supposed to take it?

Sharonbenn Fri 01-Mar-13 15:08:20

Thanks dildals. I'll check it out. And ask at Guys.

Did anyone try eating pineapple core after ET? I've been reading about that as well to help implantation. To be honest I'm finding that I'm bored of googling now. The time has come to trust that I'm doing my best and can't do anymore.

Dildals Fri 01-Mar-13 15:22:57

sharon I am with guys - but yeah, ask, it will be interesting to see what she says.

EuroShaggleton Fri 01-Mar-13 15:28:51

I was asked to start from the night of EC day. I don't think they want you taking it before EC as it thins the blood and makes you bleed more - not ideal when someone is shoving a knitting needle through your fanjo! I had previously taken it throughout my cycle when trying Letrozole last year.

sharon pineapple is pretty controversial. Some countries say you should avoid it if pg.

Dildals Fri 01-Mar-13 15:39:48

euro and until when are you supposed to take it? End of first trimester?

Sharonbenn Fri 01-Mar-13 15:40:06

Thanks dildals and euro.

Dildals I didn't realise you ate with guys as well. Yay for guys!

Sharonbenn Fri 01-Mar-13 15:40:45

ARE with guys not ate with guys grin

EuroShaggleton Fri 01-Mar-13 15:47:51

Dildals I guess I'll never find out. I asked yesterday and they said just to keep on the prog and aspirin until the next scanand didn't discuss beyond that.

I've heard of people with recurrrent m/c taking it right through, until 30+ weeks, stopping before there is any possibility of delivering (again because of the bleeding risk).

ScarlettInSpace Fri 01-Mar-13 19:30:33

Hi everyone sorry for mememe post but am on phone which is pita to type on!

Today I've started to get Stabby pains all over my belly is this normal on day 4 of stims? And should i take this as a sign the stims are doing their job? Or is it a bad sign and they will stop me at scan tomorrow? Also my tummy has swelled up, i look about 6 months preggo blush

Headaches and nausea too which i was expecting...

I really don't want another abandoned cycle! I'm trying to tell myself these are good things!

HontyTont Fri 01-Mar-13 19:57:15

I'm on baby aspirin and fragmin...it's to help with implantation apparently...if I'm pregnant have to keep taking the fragmin until 10 weeks! Nor sure if I need to continue the baby aspirin though. I've never asked if they put me on it for a reason or if all their IVFers have it....

Just spent a fortune in century 21! Not many clothes as hoping wont be able to fit into mine soon!

Dildals Fri 01-Mar-13 20:42:49

scarlett belly defo swells up but i didn't get this already at day 4 tbh. Just go for your scan tomoz and perhaps they'll lower your dose of stimms. Good luck!

Sharonbenn Fri 01-Mar-13 20:49:56

hello everyone

Good luck for tomorrow Scarlett.

Well done Honty. Bargains galore! Have you decided what you are going to do tomorrow re testing?

Noks how did you get on today? Are you stimming?smile

Choco have you got ET tomorrow? Best of luck for it.

Euro are you feeling better after yesterday?

Northey and Vall how are you both? Thinking of you.

Did anyone else have appts today or tomorrow?

Sniff no. 4 was much better. I'm getting the hang of it and I reckon some definitely went in tonight.


EuroShaggleton Fri 01-Mar-13 20:59:19

Scarlett I can't help re: stims. I never got that far on my medicated cycle, but it sounds like a good sign that something is happening.

I'm glad the sniffing is getting better, Sharon.

NY shopping honty - I'm very envious.

choco hurrah for fertilisation and good luck for ET.

Dildals I think most people who find out it's twins feel daunted. The beauty of pregnancy is that you have months to get used to the idea before you have to deal with the practicalities!

As for me, I am pretty sure it's over. I've had some mild cramping and just don't feel pregnant anymore. In fact, I feel exactly like I usually do a few days before my period arrives. I reckon it's only the cyclogest stopping the bleeding. At this point I'd just like to get it over and done with.

ScarlettInSpace Fri 01-Mar-13 21:42:27

Thanks sharon sniffing is prob the same as jabbing, every day I get a bit slicker at it wink

dildal in my usual drama queen manner it didn't occur to me they may lower stims, oh no, I jump straight to abandoned cycle blush

euro sorry you feel like that, I've seen so many people say the same on this board over the last 2 years and it come good in the end so I'm going to stay blindly optimistic on your behalf grin

Big love to delilah if you're still lurking x

Sharonbenn Fri 01-Mar-13 21:44:50

I'm with Scarlett Euro. Let's stay optimistic. love xx

HontyTont Fri 01-Mar-13 23:50:12

I'm with scarlett and Sharon.....positive vibes euro

north are you ok?

van how about you?

scarlett you are on full dose stimms right? I think they will lower your dose too...I got bloated but towards the end and could actually feel my ovaries (or thought I could) was very weird!

sharon have decided I'm going to test tomorrow...it will be 11dpet and 13dpec.....I really don't think I'm pregnant so I just want to know now...the only thing is I will find it difficult to keep stabbing myself with the fragmin if I get a negative....sad

So bought a lovely pair of boots....and am currently sitting in the soho house club by the fire sipping a glass of rosé and eating sweet potato chips blush

keepitgoing Sat 02-Mar-13 04:46:49

euro you were also convinced it'd be a bfn... I'm so sorry you're going through this, but am not writing Barry off.

Scarlett I only feel tired so far, but am on a lower dose.

honty glad you're enjoying NYC. Good luck testing this morning.

shaz glad you're getting better at sniffing. Any side effects yet?

So I had my first scan, and have ten follies at 9-12mm, and lining at 5.9mm. So am keeping on the same dose, adding something to stop early ovulation, and going back on Tuesday. EC likely thurs-sat!! I have oestrogen level of 1100 which is high, but poss due to the number of follies. Does anyone know? The doc was unclear.

Northey Sat 02-Mar-13 06:01:02

Did you test, hont? Result???

I am reporting in with an official test day bfn, as expected. Will phone the clinic in a couple of hours. Can't be arsed with pessaries - do you reckon I'm allowed to stop now?

Great follicular performance, keepitgoing! Ten at the same stage is a great number. Is your ovulation-stopping drug a powder to mix? I hated that one as I had to do it first thing in the morning, just when I'm at my most cack-handed!

Northey Sat 02-Mar-13 06:04:41

PS Was today your OTD as well, valinna? How did you get on?

chocoloco1 Sat 02-Mar-13 06:06:08

northey really sorry to hear about the bfn. Look after yourself. X

Northey Sat 02-Mar-13 06:15:56

This morning's coffee is going to be proper caffeine-heavy stuff. And I'm having a very hot bath as well (partly because I have missed them and partly because I am desperate to get the peasant residue properly boiled off me - showering simply isn't cutting it).

keepitgoing Sat 02-Mar-13 06:35:08

Poobums north. At least it's the weekend and you're with dh. Hope the clinic let you do FET asap, it seems some take ages for a cycle review appt. Enjoy your bath, coffee, wine later. And I'm sure clinic'll say to stop the pessaries.

I've a feeling vals otd is wed?

keepitgoing Sat 02-Mar-13 06:37:50

PS thanks for the reassurance. I'm worrying about everything... This is tough.

Northey Sat 02-Mar-13 06:48:17

Peasant residue? I meant pessary residue, obviously. I have not web shoving peasants up there.

keepitgoing Sat 02-Mar-13 06:54:11

grin that'd have been a squeeze

Northey Sat 02-Mar-13 06:56:12

Depressingly, probably not, after all the speculum and dildocam action that's been going on up there.

keepitgoing Sat 02-Mar-13 07:01:50

Least you get your fanjo to yourself for a few weeks.

<tries to dig the bright side out of the depths of night. Fails.>


Sharonbenn Sat 02-Mar-13 07:36:47

Morning ladies

I had to get up early on a Saturday to take the dreaded drug. Oh well.

Northey I'm really sorry. That is gutting. This was your first go wasn't it? Properly pants. I hope you can have a go with your frosties soon. What did you say, like having a shag and a glass of wine? Look after yourself today. I must admit to laughing outloud to the peasants. Enjoy your coffee. Much love to you and Mr N.

Vall how are you doing? Love. Xx

Keep excellent follie action! Do you feel like you are bursting? I've never understood how one's ovaries can accommodate so much out of the ordinary growth. They must grow to the size of grapefruits!

It is all so worrying isn't it? At every step. My latest is that I won't respond to the DR and I'll have to do it for longer and all my nicely timed annual leave will be wrong. Today I vow NOT to read any google stories. Especially those articles that were published in the daily mail or the sun like a very unhelpful negative sensationalist ivf diary that I came across yesterday.

Choco are you ET today?


Great purchasing power Honty. I know SH London v well. Would be funny if we have already met in RL. Good luck with testing today and MrHs bday.

Scarlett good luck with scan.

Fairy, euro, dildals how are you all feeling?

Argh how are you?

Del if you are reading love to you too.

I'm off to eat gluten, egg, dairy free cake. Purely medicinal you understand to take away the taste of the spray.


vallinnapod Sat 02-Mar-13 07:53:21

Seems very high Hont. I have PCOS therefore a stupid number of largish follicles by your stage. They stimmed me really slowly to prevent OHSS (stimmed for over 3 weeks in the end). I hovered around the late 800s and when I did go into the 1000s (after a dose increase) they reduced my does again.

Northy huge hugs my darling. I am currently lying in bed with my legs crossed not wanting to POAS (OTD Monday) but really knowing I will and the shitty one line that will stare back at me. In fact I went out for dinner last night and had a martini and two glasses of wine....

To top it all I feel hideous. DS has a really high temperature so we have been worried about him all night and I feel beyond shocking. Achy head and neck, and a cough I need to clear but can't as every time I try it is like someone ripping a plaster off the inside of my lungs hmm

Also feeling very woe is me as the bloody drugs I am on are making me feel pregnant...achy boobs, bloated etc. IVF is a shitty cruel process really.

Going to have to get up soon as this is a real test if my pelvic floor!

EuroShaggleton Sat 02-Mar-13 09:40:29

keep well-spotted! TBH, it is only how completely wrong I was about the BFN that is making me think there is a small chance it might not be over. Great follie growing!

honty noo boots and wine - sounds awesome. smile

Heh@peasant residue! I'm so sorry it was a BFN Norf.

My plans for the day have fallen through - I was supposed to be going round to see my bf, and celebrate the birthday of her 2 yr old twins. Unfortunately her other child has come down with a gastro bug this morning and she is worried it is noro, so has cancelled. Mr Euro is going shooting (I declined as I decided not to shoot while pregnant). So I have the day to myself. Need to think of something to do to stop myself brooding. Maybe cinema. I haven't been on my own for years.

vallinnapod Sat 02-Mar-13 09:59:13

Oh Euro I luuuurrrvvveee the cinema, by myself or otherwise. I used to easily do 3 films a day if DH was away blush bloody expensive day mind!

BFN for me again. Strangely at peace with it today, maybe because I feel so physically crap. Spoke to the clinic yesterday to find out what would happen worst case scenario, I would have to wait a cycle. Which is fine, just a real bitch for me as I have to go back on the pill - I don't have periods otherwise - which will turn me into a frustrated psycho bitch. Interesting when the IVF drugs don't really impact me emotionally.

vallinnapod Sat 02-Mar-13 10:00:33

Sorry - the follicle comment earlier was for keepitgoing not honts...

Northey Sat 02-Mar-13 10:22:34

I am strangely at peace as well, vallinna. I think because now I can just accept that this is it, and I'd done the sadness in principle in advance.

Can I pick your brains about frozen cycles? Do they involve drugs, or is it more a monitor-and-insert-embryo-at-appropriate-moment thing? What is the pill for? And if my period starts now, it would be the cycl afterwards when I could crack on with frosties (ie halfway through April, assuming cycles are normal length)?

ScarlettInSpace Sat 02-Mar-13 10:24:06

northey maybe peasants up your fanjo is the answer after all... Sorry to hear about your result x

Quick update, ive definitely got 3, maybe a 4th but my ovary was hiding behind my bowel <hurl> 1 at 10mm the others at 12mm so looking good so far!

Nurse wad lovely and said at my age we should get good quality eggs so very optimistic, bless.

Kept dose same as it is working, back on Monday!

Northey Sat 02-Mar-13 10:27:35

I will suggest it at my cycle review appointment, scarlett and see what they say grin Well done on growing eggs!

EuroShaggleton Sat 02-Mar-13 10:29:07

val so sorry about the BFN, but I'm glad you feel at peace with it.

Norf I haven't done a frozen cycle but I "know" people on these boards who have. You have the choice of natural or medicated. For natural, you monitor when you are going to ovulate with pee sticks/scans and they put the embryo back 5 days after ovulation. For medicated, I'm not exactly sure what drugs they use.

Scarlett nice growing!

keepitgoing Sat 02-Mar-13 10:49:17

No, north, the ov stopping one is just a pre filled jabbing thing. And I do it at night with the others... scar are you on an ov-stopping one too?

Oh god, hont am now convinced I'll get ohss. Argh!
Doc said this new anti ov drug would stop it rising. Oh, the mentalling!!

shaz I don't feel bloated yet. Though do feel a bit different, just went swimming and it felt a bit odd. I'm always surprised how big follies are and the eggs are so small..

van so sorry.

north I assumed he meant we could do the very first cycle, ie mid march, for fet. You don't have to take the pill, they can just do it round your normal cycle and pop it in at the right point. Have you rung then?

Sharonbenn Sat 02-Mar-13 11:35:37

Vall I'm sorry that sounds like a rough situation. Is DS ok? You have so much in your plate with feeling physically illl also. Can DH look after both of you today? Keep warm and cosy if you can.

Scarlett well done on the developments 'down there'. its encouraging to know that things are going in the right direction.

Euro, enjoy your day to yourself.

I don't have any side effects to speak of. My nose feels funny and I'm aware of my abdomen but that is probably psychological. Oh and I snapped at DP last night but that was more to do with the fact that he was being really annoying rather than the drugs!

Love to all

Shazza xx

Northey Sat 02-Mar-13 11:46:19

Answer phone only on Saturdays, so I just hung up. Will write a email later, so I can include all the questions I'll want to discuss when they phone me back. Like when can I start again...

vallinnapod Sat 02-Mar-13 12:19:56

Northey at my clinic it is standard to have a cycle review after a failed cycle of any type. At mine the standard 'straight away' is to have this bleed and then start on the next one. They want to get your uterus back to normal.

There are two types of FET - natural and HRT. The medication during an HRT FET is solely to prep your lining. No bloods, all scans. I do not ovulate so I was always going to be on the HRT - and will need to take the pill to induce a bleed to get started (no ovulation = no period).

Protocols vary. A friend of mine had to down reg, I didn't. My only experience is of the HRT cycle. In my abandoned cycle I took oestrogen tablets for 9 days, was then scanned every 3 days. For most people this is enough (or they increase the number of tablets you take). For me, I didn't respond so they added oestrogen patches too. After a few days on these I started to spot so they abandoned the cycle.

This time I started straight on higher strength patches, then they added progynova and baby aspirin.

I guess after my review I will know the protocol for next time. I am guessing it will be the same - they may wait slightly longer to transfer to see if my lining does anything better than 6.5mm.


delilahbelle Sat 02-Mar-13 12:28:21

Northey valinna Euro keep your hopes up for the future and stay happy. We'll all get there in the end.

I'm being spoilt by everyone I know - lots of cards/flowers/chocolates/home-made baked goods/visits. Slightly surprised as I didn't really rate myself as having that many friends. DH being wonderful, hugging me when I need it and making me endless cups of tea - I have been told not to lift the kettle as it's too heavy, or do any housework for a couple of weeks so will be taking full advantage of this.

Slowly becoming more positive. We had takeaway pizza and wine with friends yesterday, and today I am enjoying a nice strong coffee - basically treating myself with the things you should avoid when pregnant.

So, after I'm recovered and have had 6 months to get physically fit, we may consider a FET in September/October time.

HontyTont Sat 02-Mar-13 14:08:55

Morning all

I did it and...BFN sad...DH is saying it is too early 4 days till OTD could change things...I not sure but will try and stay positive

north I'm really sorry for your BFN...on my letter from the clinic it says if you get a BFN on OTD then stop all drugs immediately. Here's to a successful FET cycle...lets look forward and be positive

van sorry to hear your news too...but still 2 days till OTD...

* keep* great number of follies Hun...

euro love having the day to myself....pamper yourself....enjoy!

Got to go and have breakfast DH tummy rumbling and it is his birthday....poor guy doesn't even get a birthday jump on his 40th blush


Nokkie73 Sat 02-Mar-13 17:14:45

Morning all

This post will be totally out if sync with the rat if the thread. I started it this morning but then had to leave it as was going to acupuncture and shopping with Mr Noks. I have just got back so I will finish this and catch-up with the thread in a bit.

Begorrah, wtf do they out in those drugs ? Been proper wiped out and didn't rise from my pit until 10am. Went to bf's last night has have been stuck in all week and, clearly now I'm old and drug addled (and NOT in a class A way) I couldn't handle the excitement and had to come in and go to bed. what a fucking lightweight you are


Northey - how are you doing ? Really so sorry to hear about your bfn honey. Was cheering loudly for you from the sidelines here. sad. I blame the bloody peasants. X

Keep - from shazza's post I take it you have follies the size of footballs ? Well done ! X

Valinn - am also really really sorry to hear about your bfn too. I was cheering just loudly for you too. X

Shazza - am here. Will catch-up in a bit.

Noks x

Nokkie73 Sat 02-Mar-13 17:16:51

Honty - just posted my ridiculously jet lagged post and have just seen yours. Am also really sorry for you too honey. Was hoping you would have had a transatlantic bfp. Nxx

Nokkie73 Sat 02-Mar-13 17:24:39

Delilah - great to hear from you and glad you're doing ok. Hopefully the sun will shine a bit brighter each day from now on.

Noks x

Nokkie73 Sat 02-Mar-13 17:36:06

Hi to everyone else and hope scans etc went well.

I had my scan yesterday i just love a fannycam up the khyber pass on a friday afternoon and am now on stimms. The nurse took me through how to inject and when she took the needle out of the case I was quite scared nearly laid a fucking egg, which is SO ironic. So after lots of muttering and pontificating needless twatting about the place I did it and it wasn't as bad as I thought. I still have to take the nasal spray twice a day to stop me from ovulating at the wrong time, which I didn't realise so am on my way. I very nearly laid my second egg of the session when she said EC could be as early as 9th March, which is a preposterous reaction, as that's the whole point of the exercise.

I have just done my second jab and that went well too.

So, here we all are then.....

Now, I'm going out with MR Noks for some Thai scran later and wondered if I should have a glass of red or not. What are your thoughts ?

Noks xx

EuroShaggleton Sat 02-Mar-13 17:50:28

delilah great to hear from you and wonderful that you have had so much support from those around you.

Nokkie I'm glad the jabbing is going well. I think after all the waiting we have done it is normal to have a "what, already???" reaction to getting to EC and ET. Most of us have had a very long slow journey to that point.

honty sorry about the BFN, but the fat lady is still sitting in the corner with duct tape over her mouth, so don't give up yet. Why no birthday jump for your hubby? Did the clinic put you on a sechs ban? Advice on that seems to vary hugely from place to place.

HontyTont Sat 02-Mar-13 18:17:25

sharon imagine if we have met in RL at soho house....

Nokkie73 Sat 02-Mar-13 18:17:43

Cheers Euro. I should have said 11th march, not 9th. I did have a word with myself though as I shouldn't have been that shocked!

How are you doing ? Xx

HontyTont Sat 02-Mar-13 18:27:04

Total sechs ban euro...apparently no orgasms until 7 wks if preggers!!!!

HontyTont Sat 02-Mar-13 18:28:49

Sorry I'm kind of dipping in and out hence the 1 line posts...off for a bike ride on the Hudson now and picnic on the pier...

noks have your glass of red and enjoy it


chocoloco1 Sat 02-Mar-13 18:47:18

Evening ladies!

shazza glad the sniffs are getting easier and you definitely need to stay away from google she says wisely, conveniently forgetting the googling I've been doing all afternoon especially DM.

delilah glad you're being well looked after. Take care.

euro have you had a nice chilled out day?

keep good news about your scan

hont boo to the bfn. New York sounds fab, have a great time!

scarlett good about the scan. They always refer to my 'swirling bowel' during scans <cringe>

val sorry about the bfn

noks the good ol' drugs do wipe you out. I can associate with being surprised it's happening so soon.

AFM, had my 2 day transfer today of my 3 cell embie and all seemed to go well. Have been resting and pottering this afternoon and just feeling really lucky still to have got this far. OTD 15th March, which is a standard 15dpec at our clinic.

Sorry if I've missed anyone.

Nokkie73 Sat 02-Mar-13 19:12:27

Well done choco ! You must be thrilled. I'll be sending you all the bambino dust I can lay my hands on. Nxx

Hont - that's all the validation I need. Ta ! Enjoy your picnic and bike ride !

keepitgoing Sun 03-Mar-13 06:35:26

honty I'm so sorry for the bfn. What a crappy day for pee sticks. I really hope it's just too early. Also shock at no orgasms till 7 weeks...

choco many congrats on ET. That must be a relief to get there - I have a lot of hurdles before then. Hope you have lots of plans for the hideous tww.

nok welcome to stimming! I'm also surprised at how quick it goes, am sure post EC will drag though. You'll likely be just a few days behind me.

Delilah lovely, glad you are being looked after so well. Don't hurry back to work.

euro I'm still hoping all will be well for you. Hope your day on your own was good. Sometimes I love them.

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 07:39:02

Morning ladies
I was off radar y'day, more of that in a bit.

Delilah so lovely to hear that you are feeling a little bit better. It will take a while but I'm glad you and DH have a more positive plan for the future. Loads of love to you both.

Honty NYC sounds amazing but I'm so sorry for the bfn. Fingers crossed it is abit too early for you. Can you hold out til OTD now? When are you back?

Noks yay well done for stimming. I was worried that we hadn't heard from you and maybe something awful had happened at the scan. But I was obsessed that day about reading about women who didn't respond to DR so there was abit of projection there. Phew! ( and I've stopped googling)

Choco great news you have your little one on board. That is so exciting. Keeping everything crossed.

North, Vall are you 2 ok?

Keep, scarlett, Fairy, euro, dildals hello to you all.

This is long but I just wanted to quickly tell you. Y'day I went to a memorial for a college friend. There were people who I hadn't seem for 20 yrs. whilst chatting, 1 woman mentioned her 3 yr old twins who she had fought so hard to get and of course I knew immediately. To cut a long story short. We ended up talking about it and she said she was successful on her 6th go. Blimey! I wasn't sure I would be ever be able to try for that long and everyone is different and of course finances are a massive sticking point for us but now my eyes are open to the fact that we should never give up. The whole afternoon taught me that life is for embracing and never giving up on your dreams. My friend who passed was a year older than me leaving 3 children under 4. It is tragic but it was such a positive and lovely afternoon. In a strange way I had a great day and feel full of positivity today. Sending some your way.

Love shaz xxxxx

EuroShaggleton Sun 03-Mar-13 08:01:34

honty We weren't told anything like that. Mind you, the ick of the cyclogest slowed us down considerably! I have to say though, the first proper sff in more than 2 years, high on preggo hormones was absolutely fucking amazing.

BTW, when I was horny as hell during the 2ww I stumbled across this thread www.fertilityfriends.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=9452.0 The advice given by clinics differs hugely. So I decided to just go for it. And it doesn't seem to have done any harm. Embarryo might not be developing properly, but he seems to be stuck fast.

Hurrah choco. And now the wait begins...

sharon - 6 goes. Wow. I'm not sure I will have the mental strength to keep going for that long. We said 3 natural/mild cycles in 6 months at the outset. It's not set in stone but for us it was good to have a set point where we would take a step back and reassess.

Thanks ladies. I did have a nice day yesterday. Went for a run, watched Three Colours: White and then Mr Euro and shooting friend came back for dinner in the evening. They caned their way through rather a lot of (my really nice) wine. I watched. I am 99% sure it's all over, but until I start bleeding I suppose I better act pregnant. Meh.

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 08:18:31

Hi euro
I know. In not sure I could manage 6. I'm just concentrating on this one. I had no plan beyond this go but now I know that I have to see it as potentially a longer journey and that all my eggs are not necessarily in this basket if you know what I mean.

I hope you are wrong about it being over. Barryo is hanging on in there. Here's to hoping he keeps on growing. smilex

Northey Sun 03-Mar-13 08:38:56

Well done choco! Are you going to test throughout the wait, or leave it till the end?

hont, are you testing again? Any news today?

euro, you sound remarkably restrained about the wine. I would have been very peeved to see my nice bottles disappearing.

I also had sff last night. It was whilst very drunk, so was rather... prolonged, but it was nice to do. We passed out before we could even clean up blush But hurrah for booze and hurrah for sex, both of which I think we really needed.

Nokkie73 Sun 03-Mar-13 08:43:21

Morning honeys

shazzamatazza step away from the interweb and do not google any more horror stories about down regging ! Naughty Shazza. Dr Google is soooo bad -yet strangely addictive also-- and can have you whipped up into a frenzy. And not in a good way. Sounds as though you had an interesting time at your friend's memorial - at least it didn't make you emotional in a counter-productive way (as we are all a but vulnerable at the moment). You never know, it could have been your friend's way of helping you to feel ok about what you're going through, even though she's not here anymore. I reckon many more people than we realise have had treatment and have had to fight to become parents so we shouldn't feel freakish or marginalised by needing a bit of a helping hand. I am glad you're feeling positive though which us a very bloody useful feeling to have when you're DR'ing !

euro don't give up hope yet. Embarryo may just be a slow developer. I have given the fat lady a voucher for Greggs and told her to do one for a bit on here. Srs. Am intrigued by the to orgasm/not to orgasm debate as it a bloody long time not to have one if all this goes to plan. I shall investigate further.

Happy Sunday y'all.

Noks x

Nokkie73 Sun 03-Mar-13 08:45:29

norf hurrah for raised blood alcohol levels and messy sexy times ! Am glad you did something for you and Mr Norf. X

ScarlettInSpace Sun 03-Mar-13 08:52:24

honty hope you're having fun - at least you have plenty to take your mind off it all a bit

choc woohoo 1 on board, everything crossed for you!

keep I started the ov-stopping one yesterday at the clinic, so now I have a 10am tummy jab and 2 x 8pm thigh jabs - feeling a tad pincushionesque!

northey typing out an email will help you get it into order in your head, sometimes I write things as a letter before I ring people re work so I know I've got all my points across...

sharon I don't think I've got 6 in me! If this doesn't work [#2] them maybe another at a later point in time but 6! Bless her though, good for her...

euro I read something once, I think it's a mantra for recurrent miscarriers, 'today, I am pregnant' which as it stands you are, maybe think of it that way each day for now?

AFM I have a delightfully hungover OH in bed stinking the room out with beer fumes and kebab farts hmm so I have taken my Sunday morning lie in to the sofa with the puppydog on my knee and penguins on the tv grin

I feel a bit like a gardener, I'm very proud of my growing follies and am thinking of new ways to encourage further growth and not let any fall behind grin

ScarlettInSpace Sun 03-Mar-13 08:55:30

Ps hello everyone else grin

keepitgoing Sun 03-Mar-13 09:17:27

6!! Wow Sharon. But goes to show it can be worth plugging or stabbing away.

Pin cushion here too, Scarlett esp after nurse botched up blood taking yesterday, so I had both arms and then two bits of the tummy. grin at you feeling proud of you lovely follies. What are you doing to encourage even growth? I'm just drinking and weeing loads, plus protein. BTW when's your EC likely to be? Dh boozed up? Grr, that's unfair smile

norf yay for booze etc,

I googled and some people say no sex from stimms to 8w, others say have sex night before ET, others to have sex night of the trigger, others no orgasms. What we need is a controlled orgasm trial!

ScarlettInSpace Sun 03-Mar-13 09:31:37

I have no idea if what I'm doing makes any difference but as well as lots of squash [which is nice hot too instead of tea] but I'm improvising on a morning latte using whole milk and decaf millicano, plus eating 2 eggs and at least 1 portion of cheese... And I'm taking maca & bees pollen as well as q10 and all the other normal supplements...

My friend brought round some ready made mocktails from sainsburys last night that were lovely btw, we had mojitos & peach bellinis grin

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 10:05:54

Please report back on your research findings noks smile.

There must have been something in the air last night. DP and I also did the deed but (TMI alert) I felt abit tender inside. Im only 4 days in but something definitely feels different inside.

What are all your plans for today? DP going to the studio so I'm at home, radio on, doing all the things I never get chance to do. List as long as my arm!

EuroShaggleton Sun 03-Mar-13 10:25:12

Nok I love the Greggs comment - brilliant.

I am really sceptical as to whether sex/orgasms can have any bad effect (although waiting a few days after ET for the cervix to close is probably not a bad idea because of the infection risk). Many people who get pg the traditional way don't know that they are pg for a few weeks so carry on as normal with no consequences. However, I have to say every time it happened, I did have a mental image of emBarryo shouting "EARTHQUAKE" and running for cover. smile

Scarlett I love the gardening analogy. I was strangely proud of my follie.

Thanks ladies. My (few) symptoms are fading. I only really had fizzy boobs and insomnia. The boobs are still painful but only in the way that they are during the 2ww, not like they were a week ago. The insomnia is also easing a bit. And the cramps started the day after the scan. They are not really getting worse, but I reckon it is only the cyclogest holding back the bleeding. The timing is a bit of a nightmare because I am supposed to be away for work for the next two weeks. If I am told to stop the cyclogest at my next scan on Thursday, I am going to have to cancel as I could miscarry at any point after that and I really don't want to be somewhere foreign where I don't speak the language and away from Mr Euro when it happens.

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 10:38:31

Oh euro that would be terrible. Can you avoid going away?

Dildals I've just remembered that my friend y'day said that when she finally found out she was pg after 6 goes her 1st thought was oh my god what have I done? Have we done the right thing? She felt guilty for that after all that time and effort (and money I'm guessing) so don't worry, what you are feeling is normal. I hope you are relaxing into it all anyway. X

ScarlettInSpace Sun 03-Mar-13 11:42:23

Um regarding a request from OH - would we say KFC is part of a high protein diet?

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 12:06:23

It's chicken, definitely! Especially with mayo (egg) and ketchup (cooked tomatoes good for lycopene antioxidants grin enjoy! Xx

EuroShaggleton Sun 03-Mar-13 12:18:19

I reckon it counts, scarlett.

(BTW to clarify my earlier post, I'm here this week, scan on Thurs, then supposed to do two trips - one the next week, and another to the US the week after. I'll wait for bleed/scan but I think I am going to have to cancel.)

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 12:35:09

Euro I reckon take it day by day and see what happens at the scan.Noks sent the fat lady to Greggs anyway so she's out of the picture for a while stuffing herself with pasties. smile

Nokkie73 Sun 03-Mar-13 12:49:00

That I have booted that fatty all the way to the pie shop and told her not to show her three chins around here ever again.

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 12:54:02

Brilliant well done Noks. We can all rest easy now smile. How's the dreading stabbing going? How many do you need to do a day? X

Nokkie73 Sun 03-Mar-13 13:17:37

Hmmmmmm, well it's not my favourite thing in the world but it's actually ok once the damn thing goes in fnarr. I am on one injection a day but quite a high dose I think (Gonal F 300).

How is the dreaded DR'ing going ? Are you feeling ok ? Make sure you drink plenty of water. Is Monsieur Shazza looking after you (obviously not right now because he's out but generally ) ?


Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 13:31:25

Funny you should say that cause I've got a headache today and am counting the number of pints I drink today. Weekdays I usually drink about 2 litres plus a couple of cups of herbal tea but at weekends it's less. How much am I supposed to be drinking? I'm weeing ALL the time! I also feel abit crampy but AF is due next week on the 6th so it could be that.

Mr S is being sweet. He keeps asking how I'm feeling.

I think I'm on the same dose of gonal f as you. I haven't thought that far ahead yet though. Blimey it feels like a mountain to climb sometimes doesn't it? Xx

Northey Sun 03-Mar-13 14:41:48

I was on 300 of Gonal F as well. It seems like a lot, but just wait for ovitrelle (if you are using that for your trigger). It is a whole pen in one go, and you are depressing that plunger for what seems like hours! Most unnerving...

I've started very lightly bleeding today (having stopped pessaries since yesterday morning), so I think my last tiny hopes of period not turning up and me getting a late positive from a blood test have pretty much died. I've emailed the clinic to report my bfn and ask how soon I can go onto a frozen cycle, and I guess they'll get back to me tomorrow.

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 14:53:42

Dear Northey to say I'm sorry just isn't enough. Keep strong and don't give up. It will happen one day if not this time xxxx

Nokkie73 Sun 03-Mar-13 16:44:50

norf I guess the fat lady snuck in when I wasn't looking eh ? Am really sorry to hear that. How many frosties do you have ? Yep, just checked n the fridge and it's otrivelle. It will now torture me until it's Trigger Time, which is like a shit Hammer Time I suspect.

shazza it 2-3 litres per day I think. I manage 2 litres of water but any more than that and it feels as though I spend half my life on the dunny.

A great big hello to everyone else lurking on this thread today. Any more goings on tomorrow to report in ?

Noks x

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 17:10:50

Oh I'm going every half hour at least at work. They must think I'm extremely weak bladdered. Nothing exciting to report for tomorrow from me. More sniffing. I'm getting good at it now.

ScarlettInSpace Sun 03-Mar-13 18:01:16

I'm on 450 Menopur, that's 6 powders so has to be done in 2 jabs. Plus now the cetrotide every morning to stop ov & the ovitrelle is chillin in the fridge grin

keep when have you been told to expect EC? I was sure it would be next Monday at earliest but at Acu today she thinks based on the size of follies yesterday and grow rate of 2mm/day we will be looking at Friday or Saturday morning! it's all so quick!

MewlingQuim Sun 03-Mar-13 18:55:39

Hi all, I've just had a quick scan through the thread, so much has happened since I was last here.

Hugs to delilah if your still lurking.

So sorry to hear about your bfn northey

We had our first consultation last week and we are starting icsi this month. Blood tests showed my FSH is still normal and the consultant did a scan to check for follicules, some were there but I didn't think there was as many as when I first started fertility treatment 4 years ago. I supposed that's to be expected now I'm 40 but it was still disappointing to see. No obvious cause found for our infertility again, but no natural conception in over 9 years ttc now. Still, DD proves that ICSI can work so fingers crossed it worked again.

Reading your stories brings back so many memories of our previous treatments, my fingers are crossed for you all too.

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 19:14:23

Gosh scarlett that is so much. Good news about EC tho. You are nearly through with the jabs! X

Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 19:16:42

Hello Mewling nice to have you back. Do you know when you are starting? Are you down regging first? xx

HontyTont Sun 03-Mar-13 20:07:53

Hi all....all checked out and chilling in the soho club for a bit sipping a hot chocolate so thought I would catch up with you all.

Flight is at 9pm so we have a bit of a wait, but are going for dinner and also just gave DH his last surprise for his birthday which is we are flying home business so he was chuffed...shame I could give him a BFP as well.

I didn't test today and I'm going to hold out till OTD now...thanks noks for sending the fat lady away I hope she stays away and stuffs her face full of Greggs pasties!

north it must be horrible to see the first signs of it all being over...habg in their Hun, I have a feeling I will be joining you after Wednesday. At least you can console yourself with drunken sex! something I am missing...I can tell you! I know you would have preferred the alternative but it will happen

euro glad you ended up enjoying your day...you earthquake comment made me chuckle out loud! I think you should take it a day at at time until Thursday see what they say and then make your decisions....but I would totally cancel my trips...I wouldn't want to be away from home or DH, I am still holding onto the hope that Barry is going to have a major growth spurt!

sharon wow your follies are growing fast....brings you closer to stopping those jabs. Your friend memorial sounded really uplifting as well as inspirational, we all have to take our positive vibe from wherever we can get them

keep LMFAO at your controlled orgasm trial...can you get on with it and publish the results so my clinic will change their advice please!

dildals how are you doing is the news sinking yet?

delilah still thinking of you lovely if you are still lurking....it's good to hear you have a positive plan

choco I'm glad you have your embbie on board...fingers crossed for you

mew good luck with the ICSI...it's fantastic you already have a little one as a result so you know it can work

Who have I missed? Apologies to those I have....hope you are all having a lovely Sunday evening

Will be in touch either from the airport lounge or when I'm back from across the pond smile


Sharonbenn Sun 03-Mar-13 20:18:39

Safe trip back Honty. Enjoy SH NYC. Xx

Nokkie73 Sun 03-Mar-13 20:40:38

Evening all

hont safe journey back Hun. Am still keeping my fingers crossed for you that little Honty-o is hiding behind an organ and will put in a late appearance.

mew good luck for your ICSI.

Afm, I don't know whether to be cross or not and I'd be glad of a bit of Wolf Pack guidance. MIL has called a couple of times to speak to Mr Noks and she hasn't even asked to speak to me to see how I'm doing, or to see if I'm ok. Mr Noks had to go back oop norf last week for a funeral and I obviously spoke to him loads when he was there because i was feeling a bit crappy down regging, with MIL in the background, and again, she didn't ask to speak to me. I texted her to let her know Mr Noks got back safely and all I got back was a 'thanks for letting me know' text. She obviously knows that we've started ivf (as do all our family - saw no reason not to say anything) but it's like it's not happening. I don't know whether it not she feels a bit left out because my folks are funding us and she's 300 miles away, but I know that she has much more contact with my 'perfect' SIL who has had the first grandchild and is annoyingly nice fucking dull with a touch of the Stepford Wife about her and don't really want to cause any friction between Mr Noks and I by saying something but. Oh, I don't know, I just don't think it's on. We've had a good relationship up until now and I'm a bt confused by her reaction. Any thoughts, opinions, advice would be welcome.

Noks x

chocoloco1 Sun 03-Mar-13 20:44:55

Hello ladies, how are you all?

hont safe journey back and fingers crossed for Wednesday

keep look forward to hearing the results of the trial too. Am I supposed to feel horny in the 2ww? <blushes>

euro am still hoping for you

northey really sorry for you, I've been there and it's truly horrible

scarlett you sound like you're treating your follicles very well. I used a hot water bottle too during stims

shazza 2-3 litres of fluid sounds about right, if you can force it down

noks I think I was on 450iu

mewling good news about you getting started soon

AFM I don't seem to have done anything a lot today. I feel really dopey, but not really sure I can blame that on Thursday's anaesthetic. Far too early to start symptom spotting and have resolved not to test early (deluded). Have just had a major panic as I was reading the dosage instructions on the box that my gestone injections are in and I think I should have been using 2 vials per day and not 1-oops, will ring clinic in the morning to check. Does anyone have any gestone experience?

chocoloco1 Sun 03-Mar-13 20:51:02

noks maybe she doesn't want you to feel uncomfortable, and therefore hasn't mentioned it? Might she have asked Mr Noks how you're getting on? Families are a bit odd really, when I had my miscarriage a couple of years ago I couldn't understand my SIL not mentioning anything when I saw her, was as though nothing had happened.
<hmmm, doubt any of that helped - soz>

Dildals Sun 03-Mar-13 21:50:25

noks Re families & people mentioning it - sometimes people aren't quite sure what to say or how to react. When I had my miscarriage I preferred that everyone did NOT mention it, and just shut up, it felt private and I didn't want to be confronted with it and definitely not engage in polite conversation. I just wanted everyone to F off TBH. So maybe your MIL thinks that you might be the same, prefer to ignore it and get on with it? I dunno.

Re sex & orgasms - Yes this is clearly where we ALL have been going wrong all these years! Had we not had orgasms while having sex, we would have conceived YEARS ago! ;-) It does feel weird. At first your ovaries are still so big it feels like he's bowling a strike with his erection, he in turn worries about the effect of cyclogest on his weapon of choice (will this give me boobs?), and I then worry about the orgasm scaring the shit out of the embryos! :-) It was so long ago I heard my pelvic bones creak - although that could be my age.

For all the potential BFNs - hopefully fat lady has a stroke at Greggs.

I am doing alright. Still v emotional. On Thursday/Friday I was just completely overwhelmed/reeling/didn't know whether I was coming or going. Not helped by DH telling me with guilty face that one of his friends was staying over on Thurs night, so we had no time together to digest. Such a man-thing to do, completely oblivious of dates/times. Then on Friday he had a boozy lunch planned, and we all know (well I assume most of you know) how those pan out. So only on Sat morning we had a chance to talk about it (after the alcohol vapours had lifted from our bedroom). Then I went to a baby shower where they went 'can you imagine if you had twins! oh, that would be horrible' 'Did you read that article in the Metro about the largest twins, nine pounds each', err. It is not that I am scared of one particular thing, it's just the whole thing, the concept. All of sudden you go from TTC for ages, to pregnant, to pregnant with twins. It's just quite a bit to digest, but I am sure we'll figure it out. I found on the net that there are local twin groups and there is a charity called TAMBA which supports parents of multiples, so we can glean their knowledge. God, in one of their brochures there is a picture of 2 35wk pregnant ladies, one with singleton, one with twins. Dude, seriously, the twin belly looks like something out of Alien, it's almost drooping it's that big ... EEK. I am going to wear a belly-bra I think. LET'S MAKE IT TO THE 12WK SCAN FIRST THOUGH! Before we start buying sensible cars, double prams and patenting belly bras ;-).

Night people! Grow follies! Rise HCG levels! x

Nokkie73 Sun 03-Mar-13 21:57:46

Cheers choco. I think you're right, it's just a bit out if character for her and I hope she's not feeling left out but...at the same time, I think I need her to demonstrate her support by sending the odd text and calling once in a while. It doesn't help when you start comparing yourself with SIL, who tried for about ten seconds to have a child and popped one out. Silly I know but I guess we've all done the whole comparison thing and come off worst. Sometimes it doesn't take much to knock the ole confidence does it ? And we've all been at the brunt of the 'la la la let's pretend she's not affected by infertility because I haven't a clue what to say' awkwardness, haven't we ? hmm

Nokkie73 Sun 03-Mar-13 22:10:48

Dildals your paragraph about sex made me laugh out loud. You have cheered me up !

Both friends at work had twinnies and they coped just fine. Obviously it was hard work, but they decided to go with it and have two popped back in. I think for both of them, their chances of conceiving naturally weren't great (for one friend it would be nigh on impossible) so it was shit or bust. I think like you say, it's such a shock to be preggers, let alone with twins, that you need to give yourself some time to get used to it and be ok with it. You'll get there. Joining a group is a great idea.

I hope your bedroom doesn't smell of alcoholic man fumes anymore !

Noks xx

HontyTont Mon 04-Mar-13 02:07:29

Thanks everyone for all you " safe trip home" wishes

Currently sitting in the lounge on my second glass of fizz....if by some miracle I get a BFP on Wednesday...I will have already passed on my boozy tendencies ;) I'm not going to feel guilty about this little indulgence.

noks I think your MIL may feel like if she says anything you may feel pressured...even my mum is cautious about how she asks me about stuff and always says "there is no pressure, don't feel stressed", which of course in its self doesn't help but she is coming from a good well meaning place. I'm sure she asks Mr N how things are going? Why not call/text her and let her know its ok for her ask and you want her involved...sounds like you have a good enough relationship to do that, if she still decides to be silent then maybe ask Mr N to find out what is up?

Dils LMFAO...hilarious girl! And thank you for the good vibes for my rising HCG levels

choco how long have you been on the gestone? Surely your blood levels would have shown if there was something not right? I'm sure you will be fine

Right...well you will all be tucked up in your beds, with your embbies/babies/thoughts of babies...so good night, hope Monday is a good one


keepitgoing Mon 04-Mar-13 02:09:13

dildals you'll be fine, though it's normal I'm sure to freak out a bit! Great idea to find people in the same situation, maybe start a thread on MN too once you feel safer. Have you spoken to anyone other than dh yet?

nok maybe she doesn't know anything about ivf , or maybe doesn't want to pressure you? My family know we're doing it at some point, but not when. I don't want to have to update on eggs, embies, pee sticks. Maybe you need to drop something into the conversation, like 'oh, I'm feeling bad from these drugs' to let her know if you want to talk?

We have my mil and bil staying with us. Dh hasn't told them anything so we've had to hide all the drugs, letters, paraphernalia... Also, I'm feeling v tired on the stimms, is this normal?

Scarlet I was told thurs-sat for EC. I think it'll be Thursday as my eggs tend to grow fast. Does that mean tonight will be my last stimms then trigger tomorrow? I have another scan tomorrow morning to see. I think you've got one today? Good luck. Grow follies grow!!

euro I wouldn't go on next week's trip whatever happens, tbh. But you might be OK for the us one if you've either got Barry a bit safer or, god forbid, miscarried by then. I hope you're coping, sweetheart, the waiting till Thursday must be hideous.

hont business class!! Awesome! Great surprise.

vallinnapod Mon 04-Mar-13 07:55:41

The fat lady clearly just fuelled up at Greggs for a big aria as BFN. The good thing about being and idiot and testing early is I've had nearly a week to get my head around it. Swing between philosophical and devastated. If I need to leave it a cycle we will probably hold off and try to aim for early June to give the last frozen embryo a go. On the plus side, I have a hideous virus so I am looking forward to hitting the hard core, over the counter drugs!

Sharonbenn Mon 04-Mar-13 08:20:53

Morning ladies

I hope you are all ok.

Noks I agree with what has been said. Maybe your mil doesn't know if she should ask. When I told my mum she said I won't keep asking how you are and pressure you I'll wait until you tell us. Maybe your mil is the same. I hope so. I completely understand about comparison. My sil produced the 1st grandchild after about 5 mins and is now pg with the 2nd. I know its not a race but I cant even get off the starting blocks. I couldn't engage with my niece at first but now I love her she is great and keeps me going on this journey. My sil on the other hand is awful.

Keep I'm full of admiration of hiding all this from your house guests. My DP suddenly wants to have all his friends over for dinner. All this time together and he chooses now for us (read me) cook a 3 course dinner for 8 people who don't know what we are going through. AND he was miffed when I gently suggested that maybe this wasn't the best time to have a party. Like I was snubbing his friends.

Dildals you cracked me up. It was the bowling ref that did it for me. Closely followed by the belly bra. Don't worry honey it must be a total shock to be preggers after being TCC it's almost like we don't actually believe it will happen even though we want it so much. I'm sure twins will be knackering but also marvellously funny, loving, rewarding and lovable. I saw 2 handsome twin young men on thd train the other day. Maybe about 19 and I imagined for a moment how proud I would be if one day I had 2 strapping sons like that.

Choco well done on the resolve not to test. Concentrate on looking after yourself and the little one. Are you at work ? What did you decide to do in the end?

Honty hope you are back safe and sound. Thanks for the updates. I feel like I've been to NYC with you except I don't have nice new boots to show for it grin.

Hello everyone else. Good luck for those with scans today.

Have a lovely sunny day. More later.

Love shaz x

Sharonbenn Mon 04-Mar-13 08:29:16

Vall I'm really sorry. How gutting for you. Take good care of yourself. Is your DS ok now? Beechams cold and flu or solpadine are my drugs of choice. Both with caffeine so basically you are high and dont care about being ill. Loads of love xx

Sharonbenn Mon 04-Mar-13 08:52:40

Me again. I think im having a hot flush on the bus. I just got abit hot and felt overwhelmed. I had to ask someone to open the window. I broke the rules and spoke to a stranger. I'm sitting here breathing slowly and trying to concentrate on not fainting or throwing up. I wore a cashmere jumper today as well. School girl error. Now I know why my mum gave me her cashmere jumpers when she had the menopause. Xx

EuroShaggleton Mon 04-Mar-13 09:30:09

val I'm very sorry about the BFN. I agree with early testing to hepl you get your head around it.

Sharon that sounds horrible. I had a few hot flushes when I tried Letrozole. I kept throwing layers off and storming out of shops because I suddenly got too hot! I have told Mr Euro to run for the hills before the real menopause hits if that was a taster of it!

honty what a fab end to your trip. I travel a lot of work but cutbacks mean I rarely get above Premium Economy. <Clearly deprived>

<waves to all>

ScarlettInSpace Mon 04-Mar-13 10:30:03

Morning all!

val sorry about the witch circling overhead, hopefully she will have eaten so many pasties she'll fall off her bromstick into next doors garden and you'll get a late result <eternal optimist>

euro how are you feeling today?

sharon ahhhh the hot flushes, what fun grin I also told OH to move out at the first sign of menopause, I've seen the future and it contains a lot of HRT grin

noks another vote for your MIL not wanting to put her foot in it so choosing to say nowt - my MIL is like that, but as soon as I start the conversation she is genuinely interested, she just doesn't want to pry.

Honty I've never flown business, lucky you! did you go all diva and demand hot towels on the flight and a steward to stow your LV carry-on?

keep I think we are looking at either Friday or Monday...

Scan this morning, still 3 good follies, still growing strong; 2 on R at 14mm & 1 on L at 12mm so growing about 1mm a day, which seems steady? Endometrium lining 11.2mm but I have no idea if that is good??? I read it on the screen after the nurse had left the room blush

Next scan Weds am then they will decide if to go for EC on Friday or Monday, I think I am going to book Friday off anyway, could do with the day off tbh...

Big waves to everyone else grin

Sharonbenn Mon 04-Mar-13 10:48:16

Thanks scarlett and euro. I've calmed down now so am ok.

Great follie action Scarlett. Sounds very promising. Keep up the good work. Xx

Northey Mon 04-Mar-13 10:51:49

val, just sad I also agree that early testing helps. My partner was amazed at how chilled and balanced I was on Saturday when I got the official bfn. It was because I'd already moderated my own hopefulness all the previous week, and was really just looking for confirmation, or a random, unlikely, last minute miracle.

See you again in a couple of months for a frozen cycle, then smile

EuroShaggleton Mon 04-Mar-13 12:55:57

Nice growing, Scarlett.

I'm ok. I've reached the point of acceptance now. All my symptoms have completely gone, my boobs are back to normal size and I am cramping from time to time. I just want Thursday to be here so I can stop the meds and let the inevitable happen.

Norf we might end up as cycle buddies when I go again. smile

Sharonbenn Mon 04-Mar-13 13:52:12

Euro it must be an awful feeling. Try to hang on until Thursday. Don't give up on Barry yet. Do whatever you need to to be kind to yourself. X

Northey Mon 04-Mar-13 15:20:38

That will be nice, euro smile You, me, vallinna. We can be the cool kids doin ivf re-sits after failing first time round because of practising eyeliner and snogging our hands.

vallinnapod Mon 04-Mar-13 16:08:32

Thanks All.

Sharon Ds infintely better, as am I now I am as high as a kite on Solpadine wink The Verve lied, the drugs really do work!

Scarlett HRT is WORSE than the menopause (if Bureserelin is the menopause). I have had so many hot flushes during my FET cycles! Fingers crossed for you and your follies! All those readings (lining included) sound fab.

Northey, Euro (really hope you don't join us though) - here's to hiding behind the bike sheds with some cheeky blue cheese, sushi and booze for the next few weeks grin

HontyTont Mon 04-Mar-13 17:51:04

Hi all,

back in blighty after a fab flight home...there is much to be said for those full reclining beds in business...how will i ever go back (i'm practising the diva bit for bit longer!)

scarlett i was on buserelin and the hot flushes, especially at night, were hideous

northey, euro, van sad i maybe joining you too in the 1st failed IVF ranks...euro still hoping your scan on thursday is good news...the wait must be awful. how are you feeling van and northey?

after reading what you have both said about testing early and beingprepared i know think i should have perhaps done the same...although my BFN on saturday has given me quite a clear indication I think. I totally feel like myself, i couldnt feel less pregnant...not that i know what that feels like confused

Grrrr back to work tomorrow...really cant be bothered....all i can think about POAS on wednesday at the moment


chocoloco1 Mon 04-Mar-13 18:03:19


shazza hope you're ok after your moment on the bus this morning. Are you an old hand with the sniffing now?

keep yes, if EC is going to be Thursday then last stim would be tonight, last down reg tomorrow am and then trigger tomorrow night. I'm excited for you!

val really sorry to hear about the bfn

euro thinking of you and still keeping everything tightly crossed for Thursday

scarlett follicles and endometrium sound good. What day of stims are you on?

northey how are you doing?

Waves to delilah

noks any news on the mil front?

hont I had done 3 days of gestone at half dose before realising! No blood tests but I phoned the clinic today and they've said not to worry about it. (Worry, me?!) Just bloody glad I realised when I did.

Been a bit of a lazy cow today (again). Had a half hour acupuncture session and apparently my pulses are full of energy even though I feel knackered. Off work until next Monday. Too early for any symptom spotting or poas, thank god!

Northey Mon 04-Mar-13 18:53:02

choc, you half-dose nit! Phew that the clinic isn't worried.

Not long now, scarlett! How are you feeling?

chocoloco1 Mon 04-Mar-13 19:07:02

Ha ha, thanks Norf! I'm so glad this thread exists and weird to know we'll probably never meet in RL. <soppy>

CaipirinhasAllRound Mon 04-Mar-13 19:10:22

Hi everyone, I've been checking up on you all every now and then

northey and val - really sorry about your BFNs. I agree that doing a test early helped prepare me, my hardest day was my first day of heavy bleeding as that's when it really hit home

euro - I have my fingers crossed for you

delilah - was really sorry to read your news

We have 5 in the freezer so also plan to do a FET but after mid may as we're going to go on holiday first, somewhere hot and far away!

Best wishes to everyone else

Nokkie73 Mon 04-Mar-13 19:47:49

Good moaning - am watching a re-run of 'Allo 'Allo and it reminded me of just how much I took this as my inspiration for my French GCSE. I have always wanted a picture of the Madonna with de big boobies.

Thanks for all the advice girls. Much appreciated. I think I will give her a ring over the next day or so just to update her myself. Am absolutely sure Mr Noks has been updating her but, considering he is a big strapping northern man, he's a bit short on details at the best of time ! I really don't think he knows what to do at the moment whilst all this is going on...apart from being really cuddly and loving. He even suggested we go shopping together on Saturday, which we did. AND we got through a whole afternoon without bickering, which is usually what a trot around the shops and a massive session in House of Fraser brings (that as well as a whiny 'can I go for a pint while you look for shoes'). I shall enjoy it whilst it lasts grin.

hont I am absolutely loving your travel blog. Can you go away again and update us ? Somewhere hot would be fab, ta. On, and be an absolute love and have another glass of something strong for me please ! Ta.

keeps how long are your guests staying ? Jeez, that must be hard to hide everything and act normally. I commend you !

val am so so so sorry at your bfn. I'll find old fat chops and give her a karate kick to the head for showing her wobbly boat race around here again. Hopefully your icicle bambino will come good for you. Sending you all my best wishes. Xx

shazza have we managed to reduce your wildly fluctuating body temp yet ? The burning issue is.....was the stranger a weirdo freak who tried to either sell you drugs or tell you their life story (or does that just happen to me on buses) ? Srs, are you ok ? I did not like the mental body temperature thing, mainly because I kept removing clothes and putting them on again, which made my hair look even more unkempt than it usually does.

euro wave back ! How are you doing ? Xx

scarlett way to go on the follie growing. I may also be in for EC on Monday (depending on scan on Friday). Exciting utterly terrifying isn't it ? X

norf how are you today ? Hope things are ok with you. The snogging hands comment has kept me sniggering for the last ten mins. X

I am making ham fisted attempts to stab myself in the stomach with these damn drugs. Fecking hell, when will they invent one single pill for all this ?

Noks x

Nokkie73 Mon 04-Mar-13 19:49:41

choco hurrah for good pulses and lazy days. Keep-up up the good work !

capirinhas where are you planning to go on hols ?

Noks xx

EuroShaggleton Mon 04-Mar-13 20:16:06

nok I can't imagine talking to my MiL about all this.

I know exactly what you mean about just having a pill for all this. The same thought goes through my head every time I am cleaning up the pessary gunk. Eugh.

I've had some quite nasty cramps this evening, so I think my body is ramping up for eviction time.

Thanks for all the good wishes, ladies.

Nokkie73 Mon 04-Mar-13 20:24:17

Euro well I'm still holding out some hope for you. Xx

Sharonbenn Mon 04-Mar-13 20:44:31

Bonsoir mez amies.

I'm doing much better thanks. Only had one flush this morning. Lady on bus was sitting in front of me and I had to tap her on the shoulder to get her attention. She gave me such a look! She didn't attempt to sell me drugs but then to be honest I'm pretty ok on the drugs front at the mo. Other than that I'm still feeling positive and excited that this just might work. And even if it doesn't, for the first time in a long time I don't feel like I will die from that pain and disappointment. Like others here who have been so brave and inspirational I will get through whatever happens.

Good luck with the mil Noks. I've got a strapping northern OH as well. His family don't know yet.

Choco we can meet in RL if you'd like to! I met DP on the net and he was the 1st one I went on a date with so I'm not very experienced at blind dates!

Caip lovely to hear from you. I'm glad you are doing ok. It is good that you have a plan and a holiday sounds like a grand idea.

Hello everyone else. I hope you are all having a good Monday. I've discovered Nashville and am watching it on catch up. It is so trashy but great!

Bisous. Shazza x

Nokkie73 Mon 04-Mar-13 22:07:30

shazza well hurrah for positive thoughts and trashy tv. I am about to watch Spartacus on the telly box, which is an excellent historical drama basically porn grin. I too met Mr Noks on the interweb. He was also my first date after a rather unfortunate episode with another gentleman right old weirdo man slut who emailed me a picture of his man bits Strangely wonky willy.

I realise that this post has absolutely nothing to do with ivf.....blush

Sharonbenn Mon 04-Mar-13 22:16:37

Noks how dare you have a thought that lasted more than a few minutes that wasn't about IVF. Don't you know that you can never take your eye off the ball. Not even for a moment.....wink xx

Nokkie73 Mon 04-Mar-13 22:37:06

Hee Hee - naughty Noks. Back to the ivf....follicles, eggs, protein, down regging, stimms, hot flushes, angst ridden hours, bfp, bfn, oh god will this work..... REPEAT

Sharonbenn Mon 04-Mar-13 22:59:50

Go on have a night off. Enjoy Spartacus.

Night all. Tomorrow it starts all over again. Xx

keepitgoing Tue 05-Mar-13 05:00:37

Morning all! I had my scan this morning, and EC set for Friday, so have to do trigger 8pm tomorrow (and delay Mil's last dinner out till after that, without saying why...). So last FSH jab tonight! I have nine follies at 15-17mm and another two at 12-13. Lining is 8.5 so that's good. I was worried about high estradiol but at 2000 today he says it's fine relative to my follies. ET hopefully next wed. Omg!!!

caip good to see you! Five in the freezer's amazing, and good idea to have a hol first.

north what did the clinic say? Can you start again next cycle?

nok when's your first scan?

Waves to all from roastingly hot bangkok. Was funny in the waiting room this morning about five couples getting blood tests. All the women were asleep and all the men on iPads. Drugs, eh! My dh has been annoying me, he says it's the drugs making me irritable, I say it's him!! grin

Northey Tue 05-Mar-13 07:03:53

Great number of follies, kig! And good luck for EC. Does MIL know anything about anything?

caip, the holiday sounds a very good idea. We are going to go away in April as well. Possibly not as glamourously long haul as you, but definitely a change of scene.

I spoke to the clinic last night, and the nurse said they would want me to have three bleeds before a frozen cycle, though she is going to talk to the doctors about whether that's totally inflexible. I want to do a natural frozen cycle, so I would think there was less need to clear my body of one lot of drugs before starting the next, if I'm not starting any others. She is phoning back this morning with the doctor's response, but ive got a Cycle Review appointment booked for tomorrow, so i can press again there. (but I've just realised in going to have to move that to later this week. Bah.)

Sharonbenn Tue 05-Mar-13 07:51:55

Well done Keep. Fingers crossed you get a great crop of eggs. Hats off to you re mil and sil. You have so many things to think about. I hope you get some quiet time alone to relax.

Glad you have spoken to the clinic Northey. I hope the review is helpful.

Morning to everyone else. I hope you all have good days ahead.

Shaz x

keepitgoing Tue 05-Mar-13 09:11:06

Oh north hopefully that's just for medicated cycles. I think so, as they say for next ivf wait three cycles. I'd be frustrated to wait that long, so hope you get it earlier. But see you have a holiday planned for April though? Let me say adding holiday dates into the mix was overly stressful for me...

No, mil doesn't even know we are ttc... Though she may have guessed as she's stopped making the 'when I have gc' comments in the last year... When we knew our dates and shed be here I ,er, suggested to dh he might want to say something but he wasn't at all keen. So here we are, hiding drugs, belly, and fatigue... Ah well! They leave on Thursday.

EuroShaggleton Tue 05-Mar-13 09:30:06

I also met Mr Euro online, but not through a dating website - through a forum related to our profession. We got chatting on there, then emailing and then went for a drink. The rest, as they say, is history. A couple of years later we were discussing that I had used the same site under a completely different username when I lived out in Brussels, then had a break of a year or so before rejoining with a completely new username. It turns out that Mr Euro had also had a completely different username at that time, and we used to banter online back then. We had no idea for a long while!

Nice growing keep. Good luck for EC!

In the waiting rooms here, a lot of people are glued to ipads/smartphones. I think it is a way to stop yourself thinking about the stuff you don't want to think about too much for the sake of your sanity! I find playing silly games on my iphone a great distraction.

norfy hopefully that will only apply to medicated cycles. I know with natural IVF, you can do cycles one after the other, if your mental state and bank account can hack it. We had decided to go for every other month, to give us a bit of recovery time between each one. I hope my clinic won't make me wait 3 bleeds to go again. sad

I had a terrible night last night. I think I saw the clock at 12, 2, 4, 5, 6 and gave up at 7. I'm still quite crampy and very PMTish. I was horrendously snappy last night and this morning I just feel like Eeyore.

Northey Tue 05-Mar-13 09:42:02

I also met my partner online! Like euro, a discussion forum rather than a dating site. We liked each other's writing styles instantly, and rather took to each other when we met at a general meet. And that was that.

euro, you are in such a horrible situation, I'm not surprised you're sleepless and snappy. I wish I had some advice, but what worked for me was drinking myself to sleep. And obviously that isn't exactly an option for you at the moment.

EuroShaggleton Tue 05-Mar-13 10:03:14

I have my eye on a bottle of velvety red to knock myself out on Thursday, Norf.

ScarlettInSpace Tue 05-Mar-13 10:07:39

<pins euro's tail back on

I met OH at work, sounds boring but we were both married to other people at the time blush. Nothing happened until we were both single, but to be honest I fell for him on Day 1 and just knowing I could feel like that about someone else was enough for me to call time on my marriage which was fairly dead in the water anyway. I never in a million years thought we'd end up together. He ended up splitting from his wife a while later [but not for me, we were just mates then] and a few months later the rest is history!

I hit a wall yesterday sad I don't know if the Cetrotide is having a mild down reg effect on me but I was so depressed yesterday afternoon and I nearly fell to pieces because I over-cooked dinner last night, this morning I was crying at Dog the Bounty Hunter ffs! Note to self: hormones and me don't mix!

Sharonbenn Tue 05-Mar-13 10:10:21

Hello ladies

No wonder we are so good at forging online relationships, we are experts! That bodes well if we decide to have an en masse blind 'date'!

Euro I'm sorry you had such a horrendous night. Are you at work today? How are you coping?

EuroShaggleton Tue 05-Mar-13 10:15:05

Oh Scarlett I had to laugh at you crying at Dog - things must be bad!

I'm at work (although I haven't done any yet!). I'm up and down.

We did a meet up for those within reach of London on the 10+ thread a while ago. It was really nice - they are such a lovely bunch of ladies. I hope we do another.

ScarlettInSpace Tue 05-Mar-13 10:25:00

Well I'm glad I made you laugh grumpy grin

Oh I forgot, the point of my story above was that when OH and me first started seeign each other, we lived 100 miles apart and he had moved in with a mate so we spent alot of our 'courtship' talking online in the evenings.

Twas quite blue at times!

delilahbelle Tue 05-Mar-13 11:12:09

Today things are slowly getting brighter for me. I had a telephone consultation with my IVF consultant. Lots of sympathy expressed, he said after 6 months to heal we could try again if we wanted, and that the fact that the other embryo was in a healthy location was a very good sign. We have 2 top quality embryos left ready for a frozen transfer, so hopefully one of those will be our future child. I have to get a hold of the operation and medical notes from the local hospital and send a copy off at some point for them to review.

So a healthy IVF pregnancy in 2013 is still a possibility, and for all of us.

Dildals Tue 05-Mar-13 11:26:52

Morning ladies - am enjoying all the love stories! My story's a bit similar to Scarletts. I was in another relationship at the time but the moment I saw DH-to-be sauntering over the 7th floor I was intrigued. A week later I was lost, confused & head over heels. Two months later I may have ended up snogging him in a dark corner. It still took a while for me (about a year) to muster up the courage to call time on my relationship, it just felt like the not done thing to do, to give it all up for a mildly alcoholic, slightly nutty, tall, exciting, handsome Other Man. Eventually I faced up (had to really) to the fact that I couldn't get him out of my head. It turned out to be a very good choice. I never wanted children with the other guy, or get married, I guess I just sort of settled ... (NEVER believe those magazines that tell you that settling is OK! It's BS I know now.) With DH I for the first time imagined being married and starting a family. Did I mention that he's INCREDIBLY handsome? ;-)

I think it would be great to organise an IRL meetup! I would be game for that!

I went to the GP yesterday to get in to the system. I hope the hospital sends out their appointments soon, so I have something to aim for. My boobs have stopped hurting today ... another thing to worry about. Seriously I am going to go grey if this carries on! Am ravenous though, so perhaps the two cancel eachother out.

On another, totally unrelated, note - I did the Tracy Anderson 15 minute workout yesterday (it's available on goop.com). My Goodness. I can feel stomach muscles that I have definitely never used. And we didn't even do abs ... errrmm ...

EuroShaggleton Tue 05-Mar-13 11:29:56

That sounds very positive delilah. I'm so glad things are getting brighter for you.

keepitgoing Tue 05-Mar-13 11:57:21

Lovely stories! I'm surprised so many started on line. We met at school... Only got together in the drunken parties summer after leaving, and had a good few years of gap year and different unis to get through - long distance sucks. 12 years later and here we are, a belly full of eggs and a date with a cup on Friday!!

OK, can I get opinions on icsi. Last year between April and July duh had three sperm analyses. Count, volume, and motility v high, morphology 3-4%, so borderline, said the NHS. Unclear if these things balance each other out. A month ago he had a repeat, count 70m/ml, vol 5ml, motility normal, morphology 9%. So normal, we are told, and great, we think, ivf not icsi.

But the clinic are pushing icsi. We've not consented and said they have to talk to us on Friday if the sample is bad. I don't know if it's that they like to do icsi as standard, so they know eggs will fertilise, or if it's because it's, a bit, more expensive.

I'd be so interested in other people's advice or experience. We are thinking to insist on ivf unless the sample is v bad, but what is that?!

Sharonbenn Tue 05-Mar-13 12:04:35

Agghh I just did a post and it disappeared again! Here goes again. Sorry if by the time I write this it appears and I've posted twice.

I am also enjoying the love stories. It is good to know that we all have loving support at home. I also could not have imagined having a family before DP and even though our journey has been difficult I'm so grateful to have him. I want to have his baby so much. He is also handsome dildals so hopefully we will all have good looking children sooner or later. smile

Del I'm so happy that you are gradually in the mend. It will take time but at least you are formulating a positive plan. Fingers crossed you are right and 2013 holds healthy, happy pregnancies for all of us.

Scarlett I hope you are feeling better.

AFM I'm so bored at work I'm gearing up for my 4th wee of the morning. At least drinking all this water is giving me something to do. I wish I was with you all having a nice cup of tea (decaf obv) and cake (gluten, dairy, egg free for me). Hhhmmm at least the conversation would be tasty!

Shazza xxx

Sharonbenn Tue 05-Mar-13 12:11:23

Hello Keep guys also told us that we have to have ICSI but havent really said why. It is £1000 more but at this stage I'm just going with their advice. At the info evening im sure they said that 70% of their cycles are ICSI. I hadn't really thought about whether it is better or not. When we asked about the risks involved the dr said that the chance of abnormalities is very slim and they don't know if it would be the same with ivf using the same sperm as the sperm needing ICSI is slightly below par anyway.

Fingers crossed for you either way. Xx

EuroShaggleton Tue 05-Mar-13 12:12:02

With those numbers there is no way I would bother with ICSI.

After 3 SAs, which were told were all fine (although I was aware that they were at the low end of normal and was always surprised that the drs were not bothered about this and kept focussing on me), we were told as I came round from EC, groggy as hell, that the sample wasn't great and the clinic suggested ICSI. The couple through the curtain who had been just before me were being told the same thing. I think they said yes. We said no. Our egg fertilised, so it seems to have been the right decision for us. I am very sceptical because it is something you pay extra for - the clinic had assured us beforehand that they only suggested ICSI if there was a good reason, etc etc, and I am rather annoyed that it was sprung on us when we were in such a vulnerable position. His SA was marginally worse than previous ones but not hugely different (btw, motility, morphology etc were all fine, but his was 13m/ml and only 1.1ml volume, so 14m swimmers total versus 350m in your husband's sample).

Mr Euro is particularly annoyed about this and I think would like to change clinic ideally (he really didn't like having his spaff quality discussed when other couples could overhear, and felt they were trying to get us to pay for extras when we were vulnerable). However, I want to stay where we are, because I find medical procedures very stressful and I think the familiarity of the rooms and the staff will make it marginally easier next time, and he gets that.

keepitgoing Tue 05-Mar-13 12:45:00

Thanks euro, really appreciate it. I agree that that was a bad time and way to bring it up. Also suspicious the other couple were told the same thing. I hate having to be sceptical that it could be about money... I sort of feel if its ivf it might be a stronger sperm that finds the egg, whereas some might just look good...

Thanks Sharon. Given guys do Nhs too it can't all be about the money then... Sigh, why is there no Proper Guidance.

My gut feeling is its not about the money but about fertilization rates though.

I'm going to see what studies have been done, but really helpful to know what they tell you elsewhere.

Dildals Tue 05-Mar-13 12:55:05

keep I have no advice on ICSI sorry. Have no clue on DH's stats, but it was all 'normal' and Guys didn't offer us ICSI. Then again we were on the NHS so there wasn't anything in it for them.

ScarlettInSpace Tue 05-Mar-13 13:00:01

Hmm I guess that one advanage of still having my NHS funding - they won't try to get me to do anything that costs more money unless it's necessary!

We were asked to sign the ICSI forms at the start, we did but just because if it is necessary then I don't want them to have to wait for us to sign forms etc, I don't know now though - they said they would only do it if required but with 3 eggs they may think that justifies 'required' without first considering egg & sperm quality rather than quantity iykwim.

In most countries ICSI is standard procedure I read somewhere, the UK is apparently an exception in preferring IVF. OH is of the opinion, why not give it the best shot, and I guess ICSI is the best shot at getting fish'n'egg together!

I try not to think about the ethics of it, if I start thinking about it too much I freak out about the whole thing being unnatural hmm so it's a little bit of ostrich-style from me...

ScarlettInSpace Tue 05-Mar-13 13:01:04

*that's one advantage

hi all - just dropping in to say you are all amazing in how you are dealing with the ivf rollercoaster. I am really impressed. It is good to hear from you, delilah in particular.

keep my husband's stats were motility on the low side, morphology on the low side (4-5%), volume low (1ml) but actual count v high (240m/ml). No one ever suggested ICSI to us and I have read that morphology alone is not a factor to determine ICSI because it is so subjective, what looks like a 'normal' sperm to one person may not to another. Our consultant said they don't use ICSI unless necessary because it is invasive of the egg. However I have read online that it increases fertilisation rates overall so it's a bit of a crap shoot either way.

euro I don't blame Mr Euro for being annoyed at having such a sensitive topic discussed audibly in a room with other people in it!

dildals I am constantly hungry too but it is balanced out by the constant low level nausea. By the evening I feel utterly dreadful. Breasts aren't sore any more but they are a good cup size larger than a few weeks ago. Still I am not complaining, no sirree!

Sharonbenn Tue 05-Mar-13 14:57:11

I'm confused now cause we have been told all along that my tests are fine and DPs are ok except for a little bit low morphology. Now we have to have ICSI. I was thinking it might be because my old eggs are abit tough and the little fellows need help cracking through. Oh well we are doing it now.

I agree with fairy. I'm enjoying myself on here with you all I almost forget why we are all here. I'm so inspired by you all and all your stories. You are all coping so well even if the news hasn't been positive. This thread had definitely changed my perception of ivf and shaped the way that I am approaching my treatment. I simply don't know how I would do this on my own. Thank you all for being so open and candid and generous enough to share your ups and downs Here's to us! grin xx

Dildals Tue 05-Mar-13 14:57:12

fairy my boobs were looking fantastic about a week ago, but now they look normal again, not really much bigger, and defo not a cupsize! The hunger comes for a couple of days and then goes again. And although I do have that low level queasiness it is not enough to put me off my food. I WANT SOME PROPER SYMPTOMS DAMMIT! ;-)

What do you think, would it make sense to set up a separate IVF pregnancy thread? One that just worries rather than talk about disposable vs cloth nappies? ;-)

EuroShaggleton Tue 05-Mar-13 15:04:28

Dildals on my brief soujourn on the Oct 2013 ante-natal thread, it crossed my mind that it might be useful to have an IVF worriers thread. I was completely agog at people feeling comfortable talking about maternity clothes and baby names at just a few weeks out.

Dildals Tue 05-Mar-13 15:04:40

shazza especially the candid conversations about bum bullets and sex are priceless.

Dildals Tue 05-Mar-13 15:13:00

euro I know! I fell off my chair when I saw that that Oct 2013 thread existed barely days in to BFP territory. Do these people not know anything about jinxing? ;-)

I do think IVF'ers seem to have a fair few things in common, from reading the posts on this site, so might be worthwhile. I will give it a ponder tonight. Because I am SO productive at work already!

Dildals Tue 05-Mar-13 15:13:55

This may sound strange but I will sort of miss my bum bullets ...

EuroShaggleton Tue 05-Mar-13 15:21:49

I joined the ante-natal thread very quickly because I was so excited to finally be "in the club" after waiting for so long. I'm glad I did even though it was painful to have to ask to be removed from the list. It made it seem more real to be part of a group all going through the same things.

Dildals that does not so much sound strange as absolutely batst1t mental! I can bear the things! I hate sanitary towels at the best of times (I'm a mooncup girl), but since getting my BFP I have used dozens of the things. The actually make me quite sore. I walk a lot and find they chafe and are just uncomfy. The mess can be avoided by using the back entrance but given the scar tissue I have from surgery back there plus the delightful preggo piles, that is only done occasionally (for scans and when I want to dtd!) as it is pretty painful.

EuroShaggleton Tue 05-Mar-13 15:38:09

can't bear not can bear!

Dildals Tue 05-Mar-13 15:38:11

I may as well come out with it ... I have formed a bum bullet dependency ... ;-)

I know what you mean euro, it's just I didn't feel they were going through the same things as I was. They all had shitloads of symptoms, massive bellies, super morning sickness, mammoth mammaries. They weren't far off discussing TENS machines vs gas.

My bum bullet, although I like the name, doesn't go up the back-end. And I don't use the sanitary towels eitehr. They're a bit messy, but not that much (for me), or maybe I am just a mucky pup.

One bum bullet tip for Newbies who are taking one along when out on the town - don't put it in your jeans pocket. They warm up and melt ... now THAT is messy to try and stick up your foof! (put it in a cold drink for a bit is my advice)

dildals I think low level nausea combined with starvation is a normal, proper preggo symptom. It's kind of like you're hungover, every day. I also am still waking up 4 x a night to go to the loo, what about you?

I definitely will not miss the cyclogest. I had the same problem as you, euro with chafing from sanitary towels and I have now gone and bought 6 pairs of cheap pants from Primark (one pound each!) and just accept they will be ruined with the waxy drip.

I have been looking at the Oct 2013 ante natal thread from time to time but they are such a wide range of people it felt a bit impersonal. Also i agree that most seemed v 'into' being pregnant in a way that i just don't feel ready for. Would be happy to join your new thread Dildals!

ScarlettInSpace Tue 05-Mar-13 16:09:26

Oooh have we come so far that we need a grads thread already? 'citin grin

Dildals Tue 05-Mar-13 16:10:04

But if there is no bum bullet up there surely the babies will just fall out! ;-)

Yes, still waking up for a wee early every morning, back to bed for more sleep, unless I urgently need to research one of my worries. Not four times though!

ScarlettInSpace Tue 05-Mar-13 16:11:52

Oh and low level nausea combined with starvation sounds like half the diets I've tried...

dildals even when not pg I have to get up at least once for a wee at night as I have a bladder the size of a grape. So I don't think my 4 x reflects anything other than that, it's the fact of the increase that's the pg symptom.

scarlett this is a very ineffectual diet because I've gained half a stone while on it! Well, at least i have since starting IVF, I forced myself on the scale this morning. Sigh.

Dildals Tue 05-Mar-13 16:57:43

it's old age fairy ;-)

Northey Tue 05-Mar-13 18:08:08

This may sound strange but I will sort of miss my bum bullets ...

I am potentially up for a drink, depending how robust I feel about being non-pregnant at the time...

chocoloco1 Tue 05-Mar-13 19:03:03

How wrong is it to be wishing I was on bum bullets?! I didn't realise how much I leant against thinks until I started the jabs!

chocoloco1 Tue 05-Mar-13 19:03:36

* things

vallinnapod Tue 05-Mar-13 19:34:41

WTF?! Missing bum bullets?? <<shakes head>> I will never ever miss bum bullets....

PS Cloth vs. disposable...cloth is eco, cheaper blah, blah, blah, but no clothes fit, your baby looks like a weeble and it takes ages for them to fit properly as most babies have these toothpick legs speaking from experience at buying a full time lot of cloth nappies and then having no shame at selling them on eBay and loving the Pampers

Nokkie73 Tue 05-Mar-13 19:54:13


I leave you lot for a few hours and you're talking about sticking waxy pellets up the chutney and/or dropping them into your chilled Sauvignon beforehand. For that reason (and many others, of course) I admire you all. I am also strangely proud of this thread for a) keeping it real by discussing such things and b) not turning into a lot of hairy earth mothers (or mothers to be). Please do NOT leave.

Afm, I have drunk so much water that I swear I have spent more time on the damn bog than at my desk. Something has to give so I am thinking of investing in a fancy commode. A motorised one would be great, like the one that lady has in Benidorm.

Noks x

Nokkie73 Tue 05-Mar-13 19:55:12

Ps would be up for meeting too. X

Nokkie73 Tue 05-Mar-13 19:56:20

Pps hi to delilah lovely to hear from you and am so pleased you have a plan. X

Dildals Tue 05-Mar-13 22:01:39

Think of it as a case of Stockholm syndrome!

Sharonbenn Tue 05-Mar-13 22:38:56

E'vning all!

Talking of hairy earth mothers. I've booked a waxing. Well if there is going to be a lot of poking around down there I want it to be tidy. Is that wrong?

I must admit you speak of the bum bullets with such affection I'm almost looking forward to shoving them up either entrance. Has anyone tried one in each at the same time....? But I jump ahead of myself. I'm forgetting that before the shoving wax candles up my mini hoohaa I've got to stab myself over and over for a week. Ooo such a lot to look forward to. smile

I am also weeing for England. I went 8 times at work today. My belly is so bloated tonight and if I'm honest I've escaped to bed just a tinsy winsy bit grumpy.

Hope you are all ok. What's going down tomorrow? Is it honty's OTD? Honty how do you feel?

Anyone else got scans or appts? Sorry if I've forgotten.

Choco how are you with your precious cargo?

Night all

Shazzamattazza xx

HontyTont Tue 05-Mar-13 23:35:27

Hi all...it's taken me forever to read all the posts since my last one yesterday....can I say I also LOVE being part of this thread. You are all so fantastic and hugely honest, and hilariously funny, I really would be lost without you thanks

All your stories about meeting your OH/DHs are lovely...I met mine in a bar, he is also a strapping very handsome northern man. We had a one night stand (i know I'm a slut) and then we went our separate ways (i didn't want to get into anything after a messy divorce, actually it was the marriage that was messy) he tracked me down through the bar (his mate owned it and I was on a mailing list or something) he got my number and started texting me....took me for Sunday lunch was an absolute honey and the sex was great so...and the rest is history! I was married before to an absolute twat major understatement and was lucky to get out when I did. I'm a true believer in fate and I really believe shit happens for a reason even if that reason isn't always obvious at the time

I've gone from gushing to sentimental...going to pull myself together now

However would totally love to meet if we decide too...

Sorry no personal shout outs today....waving and sending happy hugs to you all

OTD tomorrow....v. nervous...am going to try and sleep

Night xxx

Nokkie73 Tue 05-Mar-13 23:41:16

Good luck hontytontypoo. Am sending you all the luck I can lay my podgy hands on. Noks x

Nokkie73 Tue 05-Mar-13 23:46:10

Ps, instead is going to bed like a good Noks, I am watching Sir Robert of Williams in concert on Sky. I so would.

That is all.

Night y'all


HontyTont Tue 05-Mar-13 23:46:42

I couldn't resist coming back and mentioning the bum bullets...as they are our fav subject!
I never thought I would say this but I actually prefer the back door...no gunk, no pads...and you don't actually have to get as intimate with yourself as you would expect...there you go I said it...controversial know! blush
I may even miss the buggers (pun totally intended) after tomorrow...well maybe not!

Night xx

HontyTont Tue 05-Mar-13 23:47:56

Thank you nok

Enjoy Sir W


Nokkie73 Tue 05-Mar-13 23:56:46

shazza have just re-read your post and feel as though I have to re-use your comment:

" has anyone tried one in each at the same time "

some time soon in the RL. Brilliantly smutty. Love it.

Re the waxing, why don't you go for a big 'S' ?

Ok, I am really going to bed now. I blame Robbie Williams, the big old man hoe, for turning me into an even more potty mouthed individual than normal. blush

HontyTont Wed 06-Mar-13 07:14:14

BFN sad

Sharonbenn Wed 06-Mar-13 07:27:31

Oh Honty. I'm so sorry honey. That is such a bummer. How gutting. What are you doing today? Can you rest? Is Mr H with you? Big love to you both. Sxxxx

Sharonbenn Wed 06-Mar-13 08:06:49

Everyday I see a woman at the bus stop. I have watched her smoke throughout her pregnancy and now she is still smoking at 8 in the morning with a newborn in the pram and 2 other young daughters. I try to never judge anyone's choices but I'm finding it hard today when we are struggling with this turmoil and on Saturday I said goodbye to a lovely man who was the 3rd person in his family to die from lung cancer as a result of passive smoking his mum's chain smoking habit. It seems immensely unfair.

Love to you all.

Nokkie73 Wed 06-Mar-13 08:31:36

Am really sorry, Hont. Xx

chocoloco1 Wed 06-Mar-13 09:12:44

Sorry hont, it really is the crappest of crap feelings x

EuroShaggleton Wed 06-Mar-13 09:46:32

Honty I'm sorry. Do you have plans for a big glass of wine and a chat with someone close tonight?

Re: the back door, in theory the back entrance is "better" - no gunk, etc. But I just hate it. I might get "exit only" tattooed back there...

keepitgoing Wed 06-Mar-13 09:55:15

I'm so sorry honty. I really hope you're OK.

Trigger shot for me tonight shortly. Am suddenly terrified the trigger will make me ov before I get there. Does this ever happen? Argh, I'm crazy.

Sharonbenn Wed 06-Mar-13 10:05:11

Good luck Keep. I'm afraid that I don't know the answer to your question but it is all well timed so I imagine you will be fine. Xx

EuroShaggleton Wed 06-Mar-13 10:16:56

keep I think it's pretty precise. I'm not sure how because everyone seems to react differently to other drugs but I thought it was something like 37 hrs afterwards, so the do EC an hour or two before this. I had the same concern, but it was fine.

keepitgoing Wed 06-Mar-13 10:26:45

Thanks euro, mine is 35.5 hours before. Glad I'm not the only one thinking I'll be special in a bad way. At each stage I think of new things to fret about...

Dildals Wed 06-Mar-13 11:11:43

honty I was thinking about you this morning - sorry to hear your BFN.

No pressure ladies, but I really think it is time you start producing some BFPs alright!

Dildals Wed 06-Mar-13 11:19:50

My trigger shot was 36 hrs pretty much exactly before EC.

I am a total sucker for a good Northern accent, and, dare I say it, gingers. DH hasn't got a Northern accent, but he has a touch of the ginge.

shazza My neighbour is pregnant with Nr FIVE at the moment. She has to ween off the last one before no five arrives. I had to ask her, seriously, talk me through this, how did this happen? She talked me through her contraception. Yes we find it normal to have these conversations on our doorstep. Pill - she'd forget (I will refrain from putting judgement here). Jab - made her fat (TBH she's not the smallest without the jab either). The coil thing went wandering and ended up in a wrong place (the coil probably got lost, let's be fair). Then, her fella was going to have the snip, but, WAIT FOR IT, he couldn't make his pre-op assessment appt because she was IN LABOUR! At that point we both had to laugh, I am mean really, you can't make that up can you? I did suggest that he could have just gone, labour tends to take a while, but no, labour was in a different hospital to the snip hospital.

ANYWAY - she's heavily pregnant and still smokes (and drinks too). Her kids have asthma but that's because the flat is damp. Yep.

The kids are lovely by the way and she's alright too, she takes my deliveries when I am not there.

chocoloco1 Wed 06-Mar-13 11:23:05

Hello everyone!

keep I worried about ovulating before egg collection too, I don't think you'd be normal if you didn't! But they know what they're doing.

As for pessaries, I went rear entry all the way!

Well, so much for not symptom spotting, someone give me a virtual slap! I only had transfer on Saturday FFS. So the feeling sick and hot and cramps will have be attributed to some other imaginary illness for now or more simply progesterone side effects

Am currently re-watching the documentary The Babymakers that was on a couple of months back <too much time on hands> aaargh!

Dildals Wed 06-Mar-13 11:25:30

Oh, one more thing, and then I will get back to work, honest (instead of googling).

I felt really shitty yesterday, like a flu coming up, massive headache. Then I noticed a tiny bit of brown blood when wiping. It wasn't enough to cause 'real' spotting. It litterally was very little. Naturally I was on knickerwatch for the rest of the day and a small clot, again v small, came out at one point. This morning again a tiny bit brown blood with the morning wee.

It's all been very little so my rational self said let's not worry, let's see how it develops. My irrational self said go to EPU now. I have stopped taking the low dose aspirin (because that would thin your blood) and remain on knickerwatch for the day. Luckily I have the EPU 800m walk from work, in case I lose it (mentally I mean). What would you do? Go to EPU? To be honest, if it would be miscarrying there would be nothing they can do about it really can they? It's not as if they can seal it up and put some paw paw ointment on it.

I blame the Tracy Anderson 15 min workout for this!

Dildals Wed 06-Mar-13 11:27:19

chocoloco is that a repeat? on which channel is it?

chocoloco1 Wed 06-Mar-13 11:28:08

dildals I'd probably go just for reassurance, and you'd get another chance to see the babies.

chocoloco1 Wed 06-Mar-13 11:29:36

I recorded it back in January. You could google it. (Not that I'm encouraging your googling)

keepitgoing Wed 06-Mar-13 11:30:54

Thanks everyone.

dildals no clue, maybe ring the epu and see what they say. Are you about 7 weeks? Crossing my fingers for you x

keepitgoing Wed 06-Mar-13 11:32:04

Was it a one off programme? It seemed like a series but i couldn't see any others. Not in the UK though.

chocoloco1 Wed 06-Mar-13 11:36:30

keep they only showed one here, think it was a BBC Northern Ireland production.

Dildals Wed 06-Mar-13 11:39:14

Keep - 8 weeks +2

Northey Wed 06-Mar-13 11:42:13

Oh shit, honty, I'm sorry sad Today is OTD, isn't it? Bollocks. What are you doing now, sweetie? Are you stopping pessaries? What did clinic say?

dildals I think brown blood is old and not to worry about, esp if just v tiny amounts but I would probably go to the EPU just to be reassured.

hont really really sorry about the BFN.

keep I think they time the trigger shot and EC exactly just so you don't ovulate beforehand so don't worry.

Sharonbenn Wed 06-Mar-13 12:15:05

Choco hold on honey. Early days. Heres hoping you get a bfp

Dildals. I'd go to the EPU if you have any doubt.

On a lighter note there is also a good chance that my offspring will be of the red haired variety. DP is brown/salt n peppa and it wasn't until we got down to business did I realise the hidden truth (he will not thank me for divulging this in publicwink).

AFM AF due today. I'm very tender where I assume my ovaries are and my belly is bloated. I'm very regular usually so I wonder if it is likely that AF will be different this time given the drugs. I wasn't expecting tender ovaries until stimms.

Dildals will try my very hardest to get a bfp. I'm revising like crazy to pass first time. Xx

ScarlettInSpace Wed 06-Mar-13 13:17:01

Quick phone post a 4th follie has entered the mix so going to keep stimming for a couple more days to give it chance to catch up, another scan on Friday then prob EC on Monday x

Sharonbenn Wed 06-Mar-13 15:27:48

Yay Scarlett. Great growing! X

Sharonbenn Wed 06-Mar-13 16:45:19

And another day at the office over.

Dildals I meant to say post re neighbour made me laugh. DP and I worry about supporting 1 bambino but 5 oh my goodness! I wish she could share out a bit of whatever it is she's got. Goes to show that it's not healthy living necessarily. (so should we be lighting up and knocking back the red?) xx

Dildals Wed 06-Mar-13 17:30:52

shazza the not so healthy living might work for her, but one of my friends has been TTC for well over three years now, she's 32, so spring chicken. She went to the GP had all the tests done, no obvious cause. End of Spring 2012 she managed to strong arm her GP in referring her to Guys to see what could be done. Guys told her and her fella to cut down on alcohol to five units a week, cut down on caffeine and started her progresterone, more as a placebo than anything else. After 3 months of 'clean living' they fell pregnant. (Guys didn't want to start her off on IVF because she was (is!) still so young). So you can use this as inspiration if you feel like having a glass of wine!

Sharonbenn Wed 06-Mar-13 18:29:29

Hi dildals. I'm not that worried about wine at the mo. luckily DP doesn't drink anyway so giving up hasn't been hard. I guess it is different for everyone isn't it? All this stuff about nutrition what to have, what to give up etc. Guys told me that there is nothing I can do to affect outcome. The embryo will develop or not. It's such a shame and such a lottery. I wish there were points for effort. We would all be grade A+ students.

Honty how are you feeling sweetie?


chocoloco1 Wed 06-Mar-13 19:41:14

Evenin' all,

dildals did you get in touch with EPU? Are you ok?

Love to honts

shazza boo to tender ovaries and hope the witch arrives soon! Don't really know about the ovaries feeling tender before stims as I never really did down regging. My DH stopped drinking and his counts did improve but obviously not enough

scarlett great news on follies and look forward to hearing about your next scan

AFM, nothing to report apart from imaginary progesterone symptoms. It's DH's birthday on Saturday and we're having a bit of a family gathering and it's going to be weird not having a celebratory drink, oh, what to do ...!

Northey Wed 06-Mar-13 20:40:52

Does AFM mean something?? People keep using it and I don't understand!

Sharonbenn Wed 06-Mar-13 20:45:49

Hi Northey

'As for me' it took me a while to work it out!

How are you feeling? X

Northey Wed 06-Mar-13 20:48:40

So so. Tired and stressed about work. I think I might have to postpone Friday's cycle review appointment, as I really can't take the time off. And just sad and anxious generally. Could really do with a hug, but my partner and I live apart at the moment for boring work reasons, so I am all alone most of the time. Generally it's ok, but when ttc stuff fucks up, it's pretty lonely.

chocoloco1 Wed 06-Mar-13 21:00:30

Sending you a big hug northey, it's bloody horrible, I know

keep good luck for egg collection - will be thinking of you

Northey Wed 06-Mar-13 21:07:16

Yes, good luck keep. And euro, I am thinking of you lots. I'm not sure whether I'm wishing you good luck for a miracle or sending you support and love to help you through a difficult but clarifying day. I know I didn't really appreciate people trying to keep my buoyant when I was preparing myself for what I knew would be the more likely outcome. But I am hoping and hoping for a miracle, even if you are carefully avoiding any thought of it. And thinking of you regardless.

Sharonbenn Wed 06-Mar-13 21:16:43

Northey that sounds tough. I feel for you. It's hard at the best of times but if you are alone it is doubly difficult. Do whatever you need to do to look after yourself. Can you call in sick on Friday or book leave?

Keep good luck for EC. Will be thinking of you.

Euro, I hope that your appt tomorrow gives you some peace of mind. Thinking of you too.

Hello to everyone else. Hope you are all having a good evening.

Love shaz xx

chocoloco1 Wed 06-Mar-13 21:18:28

euro thinking of you for tomorrow

EuroShaggleton Wed 06-Mar-13 21:20:36

Norf that's shit. My work has really ramped up unexpectedly too. It should be taking my mind off things, but instead I am just not doing as much as I should be and stressing about that as well.

Thanks for your thoughts ladies.

I have gone from being completely pessamistic for a few days after the scan, to relentless searching the internet for stories of good outcomes after a poor first scan. None of this is helping but I just can't stop myself. Meh. By 10am tomorrow, the limbo will be over.

How are you doing choco.

HontyTont Wed 06-Mar-13 22:23:10

Thank you everyone...it's been a tough day.

I went to work which really helps me, it's so busy and today we had an off site meeting with loads of workshops and group work so my mind was kept occupied. I of course burst into tears the minute I left! People that knew wanted to offer sympathy, which is lovely, but hugs and I'm sorry, we're too much to handle luckily they understood.

DH has been lovely of course and my parents were very sympathetic and encouraging that it will happen...

I phoned the clinic this morning and left a message and no one has called me...that's annoyed me! The nurse I usually deal with left last week and she normally always called at lunchtime if not before...I'm not sure what to do. I have stopped my meds though...everything. I'm already getting pre period symptoms and am moody as hell...I have had such a bad temper today.

Did you all count ET as day 1? I'm supposed to test 16days post ET which is today if you count ET as day 1 but tomorrow if day 1 is day after ET. It obviously doesn't matter now as 1 day is not going to make a difference but half way through the day I had a horrible panic about it being positive if I had waited till tomorrow and now I had stopped my meds I could cause myself to lose it! Totally irrational I know....what a twat!

euro major big bags of good luck for tomorrow...will be thinking of you
north I'm sorry that you are alone...I couldn't deal with that right now, stay strong Hun...big hugs
keep good luck for EC...I'm sure they will have timed it all down to the last second
dildals don't stress if you really don't have to...go to the EPU and get the answers you need...
sharon ouch on the tender ovaries...try a hot water bottle
scarlett great growing!

I'm absolutely shattered today...it's weird the drugs never made me feel tired infant just the opposite and today I am totally wiped out

Hopefully I will get to speak to the clinic tomorrow and booked in for a follow up

Night xx

HontyTont Wed 06-Mar-13 22:25:06

choco too early for symptom spotting...just relax and be a good oven. Are you off work or back to normal?

Northey Wed 06-Mar-13 22:26:20

I think it is an emotional reaction, hont. I have been exhausted ever since my bfn. Of course, a tiny part of my brain files it away as potential evidence that perhaps, despite the period and the umpteen negative tests, I am secretly pregnant after all...

keepitgoing Thu 07-Mar-13 02:45:54

north it must be so hard living apart from your partner... I would stuff work, personally, and call in sick. It might be a while to get another appointment otherwise.

So, mil-who-knows-not-of-ivf was meant to go home this am, but lost her passport! So now we have to sort out with the embassy etc etc, and somehow have EC tomorrow. Dh adamant he doesn't want to tell her. Grrr.

honty I agree, emotions more tiring than drugs. Test again today to put your mind at ease, I've tested during/after AF before as am crazy

Hope you're OK choco

euro I echo northey, I'm both hoping for a miracle, and sending you love and good wishes if there isn't one.

Sharonbenn Thu 07-Mar-13 09:12:58

Morning girls!

Keep I don't know how you are managing. I suppose at least you are occupied. No time for worrying.

Euro, thinking of you. Loads of love xxx

Have a good day everyone. More later.

Shazza xxx

ScarlettInSpace Thu 07-Mar-13 09:43:37

Sorry to hear you're struggling northey I'd second keep on stuffing work [but I work from home mostly so thats easy for me to say]

euro good luck today <still blindly optimistic on your behalf>

honty shit news sorry to hear that love x

choc I've discovered a whole new world of mocktails and non-alcoholic lager - Erdinger alcohol free white beer tastes the same as normal imo, and sainsburys do a lovely range of mocktails, I treid mojitos & peach bellinis last weekend grin are you going out for DH's birthday or having a party? parties are easier to cover non-drinking..

shaz I had to laugh at your OH's dirty ginger secret, and ou finding out under the sheets grin My OH has a ginger beard --when he goes snowboarding mostly as that's when he can't be arsed to shave for a week--but I think that's quite common confused

ScarlettInSpace Thu 07-Mar-13 09:47:22

strikeout fail lol x

keepitgoing Thu 07-Mar-13 10:35:18

shaz I can easily multitask, worry and do something else... How's things your end?

Dh has told her I'm having a non serious op under GA, and we don't want to talk about it. What would you think that was?

Any tips for EC, wise ladies? I've been told to stay two hours after.

Dildals Thu 07-Mar-13 11:41:28

keep she probably thinks it is an ingrown toenail. Seriously though, I would never think of EC if someone told me abt having a non serious op.

Hot Tips for EC:
- have your fella get your fav food ready for afters because you will be ravenous. Personally I had him on standby with a cheese melt panini.
- take a cab home and relax, I definitely felt groggy afterwards, not in super pain but not feeling well. The next day I felt OK, but was not 100% with it. I kept dropping stuff and thinking irrationally. For example, I kept worrying about having offended the anaesthetist, I asked him whether he had taken my swim goggles after I came out of the GA. Surely everyone talks rubbish after coming out of EC.
- Prepare yourself mentally for the call back on 2 vs 5 day transfer. That was one of my hardest moments, I was a wreck.
- Think of all the questions you want to ask the embryologist beforehand and write them down. If you are anything like me you will forget them the moment you have the embryologist on the phone. Get your fella's questions on the list too. Nothing more annoying than DH asking you 'but why is this and that' and your reasoned answer is 'how the hell should I know?'

Euro how was it?

AFM (learned a new acronym) - I didn't go to EPU yesterday because I thought it was prob nothing and I don't want to waste NHS resources on my tiny bit of blood and worries. People are dying you know. I know, I know.... Anyway. I went this morning and have a scan booked in at 2 today. Can I just say I was VERY impressed with the level of organisation at St Thomas EPU. Everyone always complains about the NHS but I only have really good experiences tbh. Anyway - we'll see later this afternoon how the twins are doing.

EuroShaggleton Thu 07-Mar-13 13:03:09

Dildals I hope the scan goes well. Good EC advice.

keep I bolted within 10 minutes of waking up, despite the best efforts of Mr Euro and the clinic. I think they only wanted me to stay for 20-30 mins, but I wasn't having any of it. Definitely take food and drink. I was starving after being nil by mouth.

My scan did not bring good news. The 2mm yolk sac has turned into a 2mm embryo, but the main sac hasn't grown at all. It is all way behind where it should be and I have been told to continue the cyclogest and come back in a week, but the most likely outcome is miscarriage. Mr Euro and I have talked about it and we have decided to stop the cyclogest now and let it happen. It clearly isn't developing properly and it is probably only the prgesterone stopping the inevitable. It seems kinder (for it and us) to just let go now. And on a practical level, if the progesterone withdrawal does trigger a bleed, there is a chance I can get the worst over before I head off on my work travels.

Nokkie73 Thu 07-Mar-13 13:11:51

Hi all

Just a very quick one as I am on the iPad at work. Sorry for the lack of personals.

euro totally shit news. Am really sorry for you. I think you've made absolutely the right decision. I am thinking of you, mini-euro and Mr Euro.

dildals good luck for the scan. I hope the dildals twinnies are doing ok.

Speak later crazy cats.


Ps - if I eat any more protein, I will f'king scream.

Nokkie73 Thu 07-Mar-13 13:13:38

Couldn't resist. Hope norf and honts are feeling a bit better. Lots of Nokkie love to you both. X

chocoloco1 Thu 07-Mar-13 13:15:37

euro have been checking all morning to see your post and really sorry to hear your news. You have to do whatever you feel is best for you x

delilahbelle Thu 07-Mar-13 13:23:56

Euro just checking back in to say I'm sorry, I had been keeping everything crossed for you. Look after yourself and let Mr Euro make a fuss of you too.

didals I hope you have good results at your scan.

honty so sorry to hear your sad news.

keep good luck, I hope EC goes well!

<waves> at everyone else.

AFM - DH has just got a new job, with a smaller commute so he'll be home in the week and on better money so we are celebrating.
We've been living apart in the week for so long, it's going to be weird having him home full time. northey I know how horrible it is, hopefully you and your partner will be back together soon.
It's nice that even though some parts of our lives are shite others are looking up. I have been emailing him links to expensive restaurants and nice holidays with the hope he will book something for my birthday in a couple of months. Physically I am recovering well, although I have some amazing coloured bruises coming out all over the place.

EuroShaggleton Thu 07-Mar-13 14:18:08

delilah our first thought today was a holiday! I really want to have something nice to focus on. I am also going to get my hair dyed and get some laser hair zapping done.

I'm glad you are recovering well after your horrible ordeal.

Thanks for your kind thoughts and words. I have just had my first cup of proper coffee since NY and a shedload of chocolate! I might crack open the wine tonight. There are several advantages to being non-preggo!

Sharonbenn Thu 07-Mar-13 14:30:43

Euro words cannot express it. My thought are with you and mr euro. Look after each other. Sending you love and courage. Shaz xx

<waves to everyone else>

More later.

Shazza x

Dildals Thu 07-Mar-13 15:16:37

euro sorry to hear your news. I had a similar thing happen to me in 2011, with the embryo not developing properly. I had to have an ERPC in the end. Agree with your choice though of stopping the cyclogest. As soon as you know (which you do if it hasnt' developed properly in a week) it is best to just get it over with so you can carry on and focus on the next thing.

honty It's the emotions that tire you out definitely. Take it easy. x
northy shit, I don't envy you girl with your partner not being there! I was already moaning about DH being out on the lash 2 days in a row.

AFM (god, I am becoming a proper MN'er! Please stop me if I ever start using the phrase baby dust though!) The scan was absolutely fine. Of course I had worried about nothing. Twinnies have grown (they grow a mm a day) and one was wriggling around. They've no clue as to what caused the bleeding. She did point out I have a Monster Follicle. It's six cm! F##k me. That's big. I hate to think how big my ovary is, holding this Frankenstein Follicle.

Dear Fat Lady - Can Fairy and I please have some other BFPs to play with?

chocoloco1 Thu 07-Mar-13 15:59:18

Great news on the scan dildals. I'll try my hardest to join you in bfp land. I've been feeling nauseous all day but I'm sure it's all in my head/evil progesterone

Scarlett the mocktails and beer sound good. It's at sil's house so hopefully no-one will notice what I'm drinking. Have also got to sneak off to do Gestone jab!

Will catch up properly later. Am meant to be writing school reports ...

Dildals Thu 07-Mar-13 17:07:03

scarlet I have heard good stories about the Weissbier too, I have it in my fridge but not tried it yet. Also really like the Sainsbury's sparkling wine. I tried the Natureo wine they have in Waitrose. Foul. Don't buy it.

ScarlettInSpace Thu 07-Mar-13 17:07:38

euro sorry to hear that, enjoy the wine envy, are you going to take a couple of months off before getting back on the horse?

delilah I'm glad there's some good stuff happening too, albeit with colourful bruises!

Ummm, quick TMI question - for the last 2 days I been literally leaking white CM, is this normal??? I remember that the trigger shot produced buckets of EWCM last time, but I don't remember this blush

I have also developed a stitch like band around my lower tummy - mind you on dat 10 of stims I'm not surprised, and taking this as a good sign, I had pains on my left side this morning so hopefully the stims are doing their job on those smaller follies...

Final scan tomorrow! And I'm now off work til next Thursday grin [although I'm planning on spending 2 of the 4 days leave in hospital hmm ]

Good luck keep for the morning xx

ScarlettInSpace Thu 07-Mar-13 17:08:22

dildals I have a bottle of that sparkling wine in my fridge, might drink it this week with my sister grin

ScarlettInSpace Thu 07-Mar-13 17:14:52

I have big sore boobs too confused usually only get that 5-7 days before the witch lands confused

Sharonbenn Thu 07-Mar-13 17:37:14

Hello lovely ladies

Finally finished work and am on way home.

What a day. I'm so sad about Euro's news.

Dildals good news about the twins. Thanks for the EC tips. They are duly noted for later reference. I laughed about the swimming goggles. I'm confused though cause I thought that it wasn't done under GA. I'm hoping to be out for the count. I've read some stories of varying degrees of horror about EC so I don't want to feel any of it.

Del - great new about mr D. Congrats. At least it's one comfort to know you will be together at this time. I really don't know how you and Northey cope alone all week. I'm full of admiration for both of you.

Well done choco for not analysing symptoms too much. Hang in there.

Noks - what protein are you eating? I'm having fish and pulses and having to take a powder to get my quota up cause I'm not on dairy. I miss eggs!

Keep - before this experience I would never in a million years have guessed that a 'non serious op under GA' was EC. Now I know that it is practically code for it! I've also told work the same thing. Goodness knows what they think is going on. I've made vague refs to gynae and my male manager is now too scared to ask im sure.

Scarlett - thanks for the non alcoholic drinks tips. Hopefully they will come in very useful over the next few months. If all goes to plan I'll have to attend at least 2 weddings and not be drinking.

Honty, Northey, Vall thinking of you al