The Elderberry Sausage Wangers (thread 5) and the hunt for immaculate conception - a frightfully good thread for the over-30s TTC their first baby.

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Bunnygirlie Sun 24-Feb-13 09:01:10

Our new home, hope we will all be very unhappy here and leave soon ;-)

Bunnygirlie Sun 24-Feb-13 09:02:38

Bunny, 33, married, TTC since June 2012, first for both of us, AF nearly here!
Pipbin, 37, TTC since May 2011, on the waiting list for IVF
Happylass, 35 cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Twinklestar2, 34, ttc since August 2011, BFP due 22 March
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc since January 2012
Soph 33, married, TTC #1 since Jul 12 (basically what Bunny said, bar a month!)
Fairydogmother - 33, TTC from January 2013. I'll know by this Friday if its a bfp!

Bunnygirlie Sun 24-Feb-13 09:12:53

Oh FFS Katie Price is pg again, I want to cry!!!!!!! Why does she deserve another one and not me?!? sad

Thunderbuns Sun 24-Feb-13 09:20:56

Hi bunny, marking my place <and nursing a hangover>

Thanks for the new thread! Going back to what boodle said about dtd pre ov. If for example I get my smiley on a Weds, (I don't really get noticeable ewcm and don't temp), critical time to be dtd is tues- fri really? Just talking minimum windows really as I'm trying to work out when OH shouldn't be going away.

I totally agree re baby showers. Horrible things.

Nice new thread name x

And I can't stand that awful old hag KP

Thunderbuns - If O is weds you want to be dtd from 5 days before as sperm can sit there waiting for the egg for 5 days, so start on the Friday before and as many days as you want (whether you're going on the every day or every other day theory) up to O plus the day after as O can last 24-36 hours.

Hello shiny new thread, hope to not need you very long smile --but probably will as I've given up thinking anything will happen until something is done to help things along--

Thunderbuns Sun 24-Feb-13 09:40:35

Hey barking, thank you for this wisdom. However- smiley doesn't = O does it? I though smiley meant O might happen in the next day or two?

Basically I need to dtd all that week don't I? Which is not good if OH is going to be away for half of it. Damn damn damn.

Soph80 Sun 24-Feb-13 09:45:04

Well done re new thread Bunny. Have you started POAS yet? Did one yesterday even if it was too early but usual result.

How is everyone's weekend? Went to Marco Pierre Whites last night - great food, shame about the piece of plastic that came with it. Ah well free meal and 2 bottles of £37 prosecco kinda made up for it!

Sorry if I'm confusing you then, I use the CBFM and that tells me peak days and then the O day, so I need to be dtd on all the peak days as they're leading up to the O day (and then as well!) I shall shut my mouth refrain from talking about a different product that I don't know about!

Thunderbuns Sun 24-Feb-13 09:47:25

Wow soph that's great. Was it a big cut-your-throat-open kind of piece of plastic? Did you fish it out of your starter or sommat? What day dpo are you?

Hello Soph I've had a really lovely week off (teacher, half term) so this weekend has been/is crap as I'm trying to do all the work I put off all week (hence posting on here too much while I avoid my lesson planning. I'll probably go all quiet after this week as work will take over my life again!!)

Thunderbuns Sun 24-Feb-13 09:49:51

No you're fine barking- what you're saying translates to cb digi opks too- just gives me a lot less detail, ie only when lh surge is so a rough window of when O is likely to come. So you're right the crucial window is sonething like 3 days before smiley and two days after it. Which is why we're buggered!

Bunnygirlie Sun 24-Feb-13 09:57:18

Is it a bird, is it a plane, no its super-painful period!!!

So it's 9 months of failure, obviously not as long as some of you lovely ladies have been trying, but I think hitting the 9 month mark is especially poignant as its the length of a pregnancy sad

Soph80 Sun 24-Feb-13 10:04:13

Yes!!! It was a sharp piece of hard plastic from the dauphinoise pot!!!! What annoyed me most is the manager kept saying about how I wasn't at risk! Should have mentioned that I'm a dietitian and I've had years of experience with oesophageal perforation!!!!

I got sick to the back teeth of my CBFM, might put it on ebay actually lol

happylass Sun 24-Feb-13 10:10:34

Well hello shiney new thread. < Takes a temporary seat >. Hoping for a many BFPs on here as we haven't had one since what, thread 2?!?

Sorry to hear about AF Bunny sad

Thunder I usually get my smile on cd10 and OV on cd11/12 so you should be fine Tues-Fri but I would go for Monday too if poss, just to be sure! Do you always OV on the same day?

Soph80 Sun 24-Feb-13 10:15:28

Bunny - rubbish news!

Have re-done the summary as just realised I've put mine wrong by a year lol

Bunny, 33, married, TTC since June 2012, first for both of us, AF nearly here!
Pipbin, 37, TTC since May 2011, on the waiting list for IVF
Happylass, 35 cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Twinklestar2, 34, ttc since August 2011, BFP due 22 March
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc since January 2012
Soph 33, married, TTC #1 since Jul 11, think AF due 27th
Fairydogmother - 33, TTC from January 2013. I'll know by this Friday if its a bfp!

Soph80 Sun 24-Feb-13 10:18:19

Girls, can I ask your advice? We have a lovely nursery, already beautifully decorated in neutral Mamas and Papas wallpaper by the previous owner. Its just the sort of thing I'd like. I know its silly, but do you think I'm tempting fate by already having a nursery? Part of me thinks I should just redecorate. What do you think?????

twinklestar2 Sun 24-Feb-13 10:19:38

Hello all!

Soph - what was your OH's morphology result as you said it was low?

Hello new thread, loving the name. Will add myself to the list when I'm not on my phone so I can copy and paste.
Soph-which Marco restaurant was it? We've been talking about going for ages but never got round to it

Thunderbuns Sun 24-Feb-13 10:20:48

Bloody hell soph that is not good! But getting the meal and booze free is a good thing as long as no harm done.

Hi happy, no idea of I O same day- only just starting using opks and only just getting back to normal after mmc too, so no idea but I expect it may be around the same time next month. OH announced he's working away for some of that week but we don't know which part of it yet, but whatever happens we're not going to be able to dtd tues-fri which is why I'm starting to feel gutted already.

Ouch bunny poor you sad

Soph- how long have you lived there? I have a feeling I would redecorate just to invoke Sod's law and get pregnant and have to redecorate again!
At this stage I'd try anything

Soph80 Sun 24-Feb-13 10:46:43

Notwithout - thats what I was thinking! We've lived there for 15 months.

Re MPW - it was the Birmingham one.

Twinkle - morph was 3% but consultant said it was nothing to worry about as count and motility was above average. Also, have been dishing out the vits, hes hardly been drinking and hes been doing load of exercise lately so hopefully the result would be higher if we checked now. Will have another at our IUI in about 4 months. How have you been? x

Thunderbuns Sun 24-Feb-13 10:49:18

Yeah I might be tempted to redecorate too, just to tempt fate. The month I got a bfp I'd just bought a shed load of tampons. Went out and bought a huge box yesterday. Come on Sod and your law- play the game!

navis176 Sun 24-Feb-13 11:19:09

Adding myself to the list....

Bunny, 33, married, TTC since June 2012, first for both of us, AF nearly here!
Pipbin, 37, TTC since May 2011, on the waiting list for IVF
navis176, 35, cycle 5 since mmc, af due 14 March
Happylass, 35 cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Twinklestar2, 34, ttc since August 2011, BFP due 22 March
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc since January 2012
Soph 33, married, TTC #1 since Jul 11, think AF due 27th
Fairydogmother - 33, TTC from January 2013. I'll know by this Friday if its a bfp!

Thunderbuns Sun 24-Feb-13 11:59:11

Bunny, 33, married, TTC since June 2012, first for both of us, AF nearly here!
Pipbin, 37, TTC since May 2011, on the waiting list for IVF
navis176, 35, cycle 5 since mmc, af due 14 March
Happylass, 35 cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Twinklestar2, 34, ttc since August 2011, BFP due 22 March
Thunderbuns, 34, cycle 3 since mmc, af due 23rd March
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc since January 2012
Soph 33, married, TTC #1 since Jul 11, think AF due 27th
Fairydogmother - 33, TTC from January 2013. I'll know by this Friday if its a bfp!

Boodle9 Sun 24-Feb-13 12:00:30

Good morning! (Just about!)

Bunny, 33, married, TTC since June 2012, first for both of us, AF nearly here!
Pipbin, 37, TTC since May 2011, on the waiting list for IVF
navis176, 35, cycle 5 since mmc, af due 14 March
Happylass, 35 cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Twinklestar2, 34, ttc since August 2011, BFP due 22 March
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc since January 2012
Soph 33, married, TTC #1 since Jul 11, think AF due 27th
Fairydogmother - 33, TTC from January 2013. I'll know by this Friday if its a bfp!
Boodle, 30, Cycle 19, awaiting FS referral and AF due 15th March

Backtracking a little bit here, but oh my god, Pip! Your poor friend having a former student turn up whilst you are completely in the nip AND labouring! That's actually made me break out in a cold sweat at the mere thought! I need to get pregnant and have babies quickly, before any of my ex pupils are old enough for that!

Makes mental note to avoid MPW's restaurant or to turn up with a bit of plastic that I can surreptitiously sneak into my meal in the hope of a freebie .

Sorry about AF, Bunny, I recall the 9 month one being a particular stinker for the very reason you describe.

Soph, going against the grain here, but I wouldn't bother redecorating if I were you. Let's face it, law of the sod isn't actually going to make a difference (take it from someone who is ALWAYS stocking up for AF in that very hope wink !)and if you don't need the room for any other purpose you might as well just keep it ready and waiting.

Boodle9 Sun 24-Feb-13 12:05:22

Pants! Again with Thunderbuns! I dawdled so long over that post it should have been 'good afternoon' in the end anyway!

Bunny, 33, married, TTC since June 2012, first for both of us, AF nearly here!
Pipbin, 37, TTC since May 2011, on the waiting list for IVF
navis176, 35, cycle 5 since mmc, af due 14 March
Boodle, 30, Cycle 19, awaiting FS referral and AF due 15th March
Happylass, 35 cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Twinklestar2, 34, ttc since August 2011, BFP due 22 March
Thunderbuns, 34, cycle 3 since mmc, af due 23rd March
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc since January 2012
Soph 33, married, TTC #1 since Jul 11, think AF due 27th
Fairydogmother - 33, TTC from January 2013. I'll know by this Friday if its a bfp!

Pipbin Sun 24-Feb-13 12:42:22

In the beginning Mumsnet created the TTC forum and saw that is was good. But many of the threads were full of women complaining that they had not been blessed with their 4th baby. And Lo many women who were evil and greedy for having delayed having babies so they could live fabulous lives and have holidays (and nothing to be with being financially stable and being with the right partner) and they were made sad by the women who already had babies.
And they went into the wilderness and walked for 40 days and 40 nights until they came to the promised land of elderberries and sausages. And they saw that it was good.

And Lo those women did pee upon the stick of OPK and saw that there were two lines and held it to the light and did say unto their fellow elderberries 'tell me oh wise women, is the test line darker than the control line?' And the wise women said that it was and they must make haste to their bed and the elderberries did call unto their husbands and ask for him to lay with her and he said, 'but I have been busy at work and I'm too tired.' And there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

And the elderberries did go to the wise GP and speak to him but he didn't understand but sent the woman to have tests on the wrong day. And the woman did say unto her husband 'you must spill your seed into this pot and a man will look at it and see if it is good' and the man said that he was too busy and tired. And there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

And the woman looked at her fellow women and they all doth say 'but I laid with a man but once and I have had many babies' and another said 'I think thou doth triest too much. If thou stop trying it will happen'. And the women were evil and they thought not for the feelings of the elderberries and they doth call upon their friends to bring them gifts as they were very pleased with themselves for having a baby and could not understand why the elderberries find it so difficult.

And lo the elderberry did find herself reading the scripture of the internet and did do everything asked of her by the soothsayers therein. She did eat manuka honey, she did pee on sticks, she did put a pillow under her bottom, she did not partake of the caffeine or the alcohol, she did put the legs into the air after she had lain with her husband but each month she was visited by an evil spirit. And there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Our peestick
Who art in the bathroom cupboard
Clearblue is thy name,
Thy peeing on done,
Thy one line only come,
This month as every other,
Give us every other day strength to DTD
Forgive us complaining
As we forgive those who give us advice,
And lead us not to read the internet
And deliver us of a baby (eventually)
For thine is the CBFM
The opk and the conceive plus,
Until we get two lines
Amen.

Boodle9 Sun 24-Feb-13 13:15:36

grin and grin again! That's story number 2 in the 'Elderberry and Sausage Pavlova's Big Book of Bedtime Stories'

That's brilliant Pipbin smile.

Thunderbuns Sun 24-Feb-13 13:37:56

Tears rolling down my face- absolute genius pip. Someone give this woman a crown...

happylass Sun 24-Feb-13 13:58:15

Brilliant Pip grin

That's fabulous! X

Pip you have made my day!! Abso-fucking-lutely brilliant! Amen

Bunny, 33, married, TTC since June 2012, first for both of us, AF nearly here!
Pipbin, 37, TTC since May 2011, on the waiting list for IVF
navis176, 35, cycle 5 since mmc, af due 14 March
Boodle, 30, Cycle 19, awaiting FS referral and AF due 15th March
Happylass, 35 cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Twinklestar2, 34, ttc since August 2011, BFP due 22 March
Thunderbuns, 34, cycle 3 since mmc, af due 23rd March
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc since January 2012
Soph 33, married, TTC #1 since Jul 11, think AF due 27th
Fairydogmother - 33, TTC from January 2013. I'll know by this Friday if its a bfp!
Merkin, 31, cycle 8, AF due between 19 and 21 Mar

Boodle9 Sun 24-Feb-13 15:24:54

Barking, sorry, I'm rewinding back to the last thread - did you say you had around an 8 day luteal phase? Just wondering if I have another member in the ridiculously short luteal phase club? (Wow, and what a club that is - I'm fighting people off at the door...hmm !)

Boodle, yes indeed you do. In fact the only reason I landed here at all was due to me googling short luteal phase and finding the Short Luteal Phase Gang on here. http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1179056-The-Short-Luteal-Phase-Gang?pg=10 So I posted on that thread a week ago and tumbleweed everyone ignored me so I see what you mean about fighting people off at the door!

I was actually being hopelessly optimistic. I'd pretty much convinced myself I was pg last week and the BFN was quite plainly wrong had to be explained away somehow, so I decided it was logical to believe that due to my ridiculously short LP maybe I wouldn't get a BFP until 2 weeks after conception, and turned to google to verify this for me. It sort of did agree with me, but unfortunately I also found out that it might be harder to get pg as the egg doesn't have time to 'stick' before the womb lining falls away for AF and washes the egg out with it. How Bloomin Marvelous. So in my trying not to stress about ttc head I have short LP to add to the irregular periods and possible symptoms of PCOS. And am fully expecting all concerns to be dismissed by the GP tomorrow when I pick up my test results.....

Hmm. Hadn't realised there was a certain way to insert a link, so trying again. Please ignore me, nothing interesting to see here...
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1179056-The-Short-Luteal-Phase-Gang?pg=10

Boodle9 Sun 24-Feb-13 16:45:33

I've come across that Short Luteal Phase Gang thread in my googling adventures too. Never bothered to post on it as I could see it was quite an old thread. I think it gets resurrected every so often by people stumbling across it in the same way that you did; I don't think it counts as a tumbleweeding if there was no one there anyway - don't take it personally! wink

My short luteal phase is driving me up the wall! I am always between 7 and 9 days and as you said, it just seems so unlikely that an egg could implant and last in such a short space of time. I've stopped reading up on it now as it was just making me too sad. Last time I saw my doctor, I brought up the issue and she completely dismissed me; just said she'd do my fertility referral, which is one thing I suppose.

I'm going back to the doctors tomorrow as I'm really not feeling well still. I still think I need my thyroid looking at more closely; unsurprisingly, short luteal phase is associated with that too.

I hope you get the news that you want to hear tomorrow - FX for you.

Didn't somebody mention taking certain vitamins or something to extend the luteal phase? Sure I have read it somewhere.
Anyone fancy enlightening me with their knowledge of PCOS? Am self diagnosing wondering if I could be suffering? Would the pill stop the symptoms hence only noticing since coming off it?

Boodle9 Sun 24-Feb-13 17:02:43

Don't know a lot about PCOS, I'm afraid, Merkin, although a quick google suggests pill may mask some of the symptoms. What are your reasons for suspecting PCOS?

Vit B6 is often discussed as something that can help with luteal phase. Did bugger all for me though, and I've had plenty of time to try different combinations/strengths/types of b vits. The main other thing I've heard suggested is progesterone cream, which I haven't tried (although I'm quietly waiting to see what Mother's experiences are this month...)!

Pipbin Sun 24-Feb-13 17:23:14

I took B vits to try and stop spotting as I did get spotting from 4 dpo onwards. I found that I needed to take Multi B Vits 100mg from Holland a Barratts. It did seem to make a difference. The only problem with it was that as you pee out what you don't need it makes your pee bright yellow and smelly.

Thank you your kind words about the gospel according to St Elderberry.

ILoveMyCats Sun 24-Feb-13 17:41:11

Adding myself to the list....

Bunny, 33, married, TTC since June 2012, first for both of us, AF nearly here!
Pipbin, 37, TTC since May 2011, on the waiting list for IVF
navis176, 35, cycle 5 since mmc, af due 14 March
Happylass, 35 cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Twinklestar2, 34, ttc since August 2011, BFP due 22 March
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc since January 2012
Soph 33, married, TTC #1 since Jul 11, think AF due 27th
Fairydogmother - 33, TTC from January 2013. I'll know by this Friday if its a bfp!
ILoveMyCats - 31(nearly 32), ttc#1 since September 2012, cycle 3 due to crazy long cycles

Some have said that Vit D affects the LP as well, but I spent lots of last summer in 30C+ sunshine and my LP was still a consistent 8 days. I've been taking B vitamins for energy for ages, and now taking the pregnacare multivitimins thing so I doubt vitamins would make any difference to me.

I'm worried about PCOS probably irrationally so and due to too much googling as usual as I have irregular periods, I've had a cyst on my ovary in the past which ruptured, and I have really nasty acne that I believe to definitely be linked to my hormones given the pill Dianette (which they won't prescribe for me anymore anyway) is the only thing that keeps my skin clear. Antibiotics have never been effective, hence it being really nasty now I've had 14 months off the pill. Went to the dermatologist who basically asked me why I'd even bothered asking for a referral given I was ttc. But I'm rambling again.
I am most definitely not overweight though, so I don't tick that symptom box.

I'm driving myself crazy and I realise I probably sound like a lunatic, but I've got worse in the last 24 hours since my DP announced his sperm were all dancing beautifully and looking mighty fine thank you very much.

Is there any reason why the GP wouldn't refer me to the fertility clinic after 14 months of ttc and me being in my 30's? Does it make any difference whether the tests show something or nothing? I'm assuming the GP doesn't do anything (e.g. prescribe Clomid to try and bring O forward and extend the LP, that's what I'd really like to try in my wishful thinking land) other than just make a referral, or do some GP's actually try things before referral? Other than telling me to keep trying.....

I do need to put some weights in my pocket eat lots tomorrow in case she weighs me. Last time she said I was only just in the BMI bracket and if I was any lighter the lack of BFP would simply be put down to me not weighing enough and she couldn't refer me!! I'm heavier than I've ever been in my life and I'm a healthy size 8-10, so I don't agree with that!!

Aquarius1 Sun 24-Feb-13 18:00:15

Amen pip preach it sister grin

the sermon at my church this morn was all about a barren lady from the old testament who was praying for a child. Her hubby had a second wife who had tons of kids, and she bullied the said barren lady for not having children. barren lady prays a lot, and eventually God gives her a baby. I now it sounds kind of bonkers but it made me blub. i guess i don't have it quite so tough (it's only been 11 mths and dh doesn't have any other wives....) Still, i hate that it's so hard and we have to go through this. thank goodness for this thread and you ladies.

Here's a question: If the law of Sod does work - I'm off on a skiing hol the week af/bfp is due- there will be lots of wine and hot tubs and skiing. i guess i will just make sure I test early and keep enjoying said wine and hot tubs and skiing til I get a bfp? what would you girls do?

Bunny, 33, married, TTC since June 2012, first for both of us, AF nearly here!
Pipbin, 37, TTC since May 2011, on the waiting list for IVF
Aquarius, 32, cycle 10/11, af due 8 March ish
navis176, 35, cycle 5 since mmc, af due 14 March
Boodle, 30, Cycle 19, awaiting FS referral and AF due 15th March
Happylass, 35 cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Twinklestar2, 34, ttc since August 2011, BFP due 22 March
Thunderbuns, 34, cycle 3 since mmc, af due 23rd March
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc since January 2012
Soph 33, married, TTC #1 since Jul 11, think AF due 27th
Fairydogmother - 33, TTC from January 2013. I'll know by this Friday if its a bfp!
Merkin, 31, cycle 8, AF due between 19 and 21 Mar

Boodle9 Sun 24-Feb-13 18:09:17

Aquarius, if I were off on that lovely sounding holiday, I would definitely be enjoying the wine, hot tub and skiing! That's my humble opinion!

Barking, my GP has said that Clomid is probably the first thing I should expect when I eventually get to the fertility specialist. The only things our GP has done for us are get blood work and SA done, and send me for ultrasound.

Aquarius1 Sun 24-Feb-13 18:15:51

hi barking I would press your GP for answers on why they think your lack of bfp is down to your low BMI. I've been told low BMI can affect your periods and that I shouldn't lose any weight, but if you're having regular periods I can't see why it's an issue. sorry you're feeling so anxious - hope you can get some answers.

re: being referred after 14 months - my GP says to give it 18 months, but i think that's partly cos i'm coming off the Depo and my periods are a bit irregular.

navis176 Sun 24-Feb-13 18:44:26

aquarius - I wouldn't worry at all - I live in a ski resort so have a thoroughly head-in-sand attitude to skiing, hot tubs and wine - just get out there, relax and enjoy your holiday. I'm only going to start worrying, given my particular history, if I ever get beyond 7 weeks (well, with the skiing, will axe the wine and hot tubs before then just in case).

Bunnygirlie Sun 24-Feb-13 18:45:43

WOW pip one of the best posts ever!!!

Evening all! Just catching up with this afties posts.

Thanks ladies, AF is a pain (literally) but I knew it was def coming! CD1 so def ringing docs tomorrow to try and book in for Tues for first blood test, what is this one for again?

You're right, we haven't had a BFP in bloody ages, we must be due some soon!

 I agree aquarius not sure what I would do without this thread smile

navis176 Sun 24-Feb-13 18:49:37

just read back - lol Pip

Boodle9 Sun 24-Feb-13 18:59:27

Hey Bunny, to my knowledge, the CD3 / 4 test is to check FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) levels, which gives an idea of what your egg supply is like.

Soph80 Sun 24-Feb-13 19:16:33

Looks like we're redecorating then!!! and buying lots of tampons haha!!!!

navis176 Sun 24-Feb-13 19:18:38

<ponders merits of spending a fortune on tampons rather than pee sticks>

I will add tampons to shopping list. Can you believe in a more mental moment I looked at buying progesterone testing kits designed for dogs. I need saving from myself!!

Pipbin Sun 24-Feb-13 20:10:58

I was clearing out the bathroom drawers yesterday and counted up all the pg tests I've got; 12, bloody 12. I only bought three of them though, the rest came from when I did the Clearblue trial a while ago.

I do hope I didn't offend any of our faithful Elderberries with my post earlier.

ILoveMyCats Sun 24-Feb-13 20:20:59

Hello all,

Added myself to the list earlier, hope that's ok. Love the thread and bedtime stories. Totally agree about other people seeming to get pg without trying. DH'S cousin just announced pg. was hoping I'd be pg at her wedding in June, but now SHE is herself. Don't want to feel nasty, but I do. Now it's Katie Price. Waiting for the third person. I find they always come in 3s. Booo hooooo.

ILoveMyCats Sun 24-Feb-13 20:24:19

Also, most annoyed at people having babies younger than me!

Soph80 Sun 24-Feb-13 20:28:11

Pipbin - sure you wouldn't offend anyone, I thought it was hilarious!!! Even if I am one of those people who has live a fabulous life, had copious lavish holidays although is now financially stable and with the right partner!!!

I think I'm going to put Katie Price on my 'people I'd most like to burn at the stake' list

SloaneRaver Sun 24-Feb-13 21:26:44

Hi all, adding myself also, trying not to get obsessed and just DTD from 5 days before OV. Limiting my travel to make sure me and DH are actually in the same place at the right time! Only tried for BFP one cycle, fingers crossed for the next one!

Sloaneraver, 34, married, TTC for first time since Feb 2013, AF due today
Bunny, 33, married, TTC since June 2012, first for both of us, AF nearly here!
Pipbin, 37, TTC since May 2011, on the waiting list for IVF
navis176, 35, cycle 5 since mmc, af due 14 March
Happylass, 35 cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Twinklestar2, 34, ttc since August 2011, BFP due 22 March
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc since January 2012
Soph 33, married, TTC #1 since Jul 11, think AF due 27th
Fairydogmother - 33, TTC from January 2013. I'll know by this Friday if its a bfp!

SloaneRaver Sun 24-Feb-13 21:34:26

pipbin amazingly hilarious post. Love it! You are in my well-travelled, finally happily-married, career-loving head.

Each time someone announces they are pg my stock phrase is "well no more exotic holidays for them" to make myself feel better. Holidays are our one luxury, neither of us spend any money on clothes or 'stuff', and we don't go out much, we save it all for holidays, and we look for bargains there as well! Most often found camping, or in the budget hotel... We're off to America this summer. We were putting off booking for ages in case I got pg and as soon as I had the AF that meant if I got a BFP next cycle I'd still be ok to fly, we booked the flights. Needn't have worried...

Bunnygirlie Sun 24-Feb-13 22:39:44

List sorted!

Sloaneraver, 34, married, TTC for first time since Feb 2013, AF due today
Soph 33, married, TTC #1 since Jul 11, think AF due 27th
Fairydogmother - 33, TTC from January 2013. I'll know by this Friday if its a bfp!
navis176, 35, cycle 5 since mmc, af due 14 March
Happylass, 35 cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Twinklestar2, 34, ttc since August 2011, BFP due 22 March
Bunny, 33, married, TTC since June 2012, first for both of us, AF due 27th March
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc since January 2012
Pipbin, 37, TTC since May 2011, on the waiting list for IVF

Bunnygirlie Sun 24-Feb-13 22:48:31

Soz, the last list I copied seemed to have lost a few important peeps! If I miss anybody again I apologise and will slap myself round the face with a sausage!

Sloaneraver, 34, married, TTC for first time since Feb 2013, AF due today
Soph 33, married, TTC #1 since Jul 11, think AF due 27th
Fairydogmother - 33, TTC from January 2013. I'll know by this Friday if its a bfp!
Aquarius, 32, cycle 10/11, af due 8 March ish
navis176, 35, cycle 5 since mmc, af due 14 March
Boodle, 30, Cycle 19, awaiting FS referral and AF due 15th March
Happylass, 35 cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Merkin, 31, cycle 8, AF due between 19 and 21 Mar
Twinklestar2, 34, ttc since August 2011, BFP due 22 March
Thunderbuns, 34, cycle 3 since mmc, af due 23rd March
Bunny, 33, married, TTC since June 2012, first for both of us, AF due 27th March
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc since January 2012
Pipbin, 37, TTC since May 2011, on the waiting list for IVF

twinklestar2 Sun 24-Feb-13 23:19:24

Barking - the referral to fertility clinic is 2 years at my gp if that helps.

Does anyone know if there is a standard for when a doc will start running tests eg. After x months or is it more at their discretion?

<waves to newbies> we're now quite a long list! Here's to March being a BFP goldrush for the wangers!

Boodle9 Sun 24-Feb-13 23:41:19

I think mine might be 2 years too, but I told my doctor that we'd been casual with contraception since Jan 2011 (which is pretty much true) but started officially 'trying' a few months later and she was happy to refer based on that.

(Just thought I'd pop that in as my 'stats' don't match up with the 2 year thing.)

Pipbin Sun 24-Feb-13 23:42:49

The guidelines are 6 months if over 35 and 1 year if under.
I know that my GP sent us off for tests after 6 months.

twinklestar2 Sun 24-Feb-13 23:48:35

Boodle my doc referred us early too as he could see we were doing all the right things.

Pipbin Mon 25-Feb-13 00:27:19

I did realise though Twink that all this time, and throughout all the tests, no one has checked that we are actually dtd. He might be putting it in my ear for all they know.

happylass Mon 25-Feb-13 07:32:04

Lol at "putting it in my ear Pip". To be fair one of the first things my GP said was 'you are having sex regularly aren't you, 2-3 times a week?'. But she also said we can't be referred until a year. What sort of tests did you get at 6 months Pip?

We had to wait a year to be seen. The gp actually looked through my notes and pointed out that my last pill prescription was for 6 months supply and that was issued in October so I wouldn't have run out until March. I said yes, but I had three packs at home as I'd stopped taking it when we started ttc?!?! And anyway, I'd been to the doctor when we started ttc because I had to ask about whether to stop the antibiotics I was on for my skin, so that should have been on my notes anyway.

So basically I assume they'll refer us if they've found a problem, as otherwise here's no point doing all the tests, but if it's unexplained we'll have to wait until it's 2 years?
I should stop second guessing really, I'll know tonight. Just don't want to get my hopes up!!!

I got the GP tests after a year actually a bit less but I lied but got referred fairly quickly to the head gynae at the hospital because of the lump they found at the ultrasound. I get the sense that, even though they've now decided lump is nothing to worry about, I'm continuing with the gynae. He wants to do a lap and dye now, and is showing interest in short LP etc.

So I don't know how long it takes to get to this stage if nothing suspicious shows up. DH has been pointed towards the GP who knows about fertility, no ones said the words "fertility clinic" to us yet, and we're about to start TTC cycle 17 (or is it 18? I lost count a bit after the Dec/Jan lump imbargo)..

So I should do my stats I guess - now that we're getting 'back on the horse' or DH wink

Sloaneraver, 34, married, TTC for first time since Feb 2013, AF due today
Soph 33, married, TTC #1 since Jul 11, think AF due 27th
Fairydogmother - 33, TTC from January 2013. I'll know by this Friday if its a bfp!
Aquarius, 32, cycle 10/11, af due 8 March ish
navis176, 35, cycle 5 since mmc, af due 14 March
Boodle, 30, Cycle 19, awaiting FS referral and AF due 15th March
Happylass, 35 cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Merkin, 31, cycle 8, AF due between 19 and 21 Mar
Twinklestar2, 34, ttc since August 2011, BFP due 22 March
Thunderbuns, 34, cycle 3 since mmc, af due 23rd March
Bunny, 33, married, TTC since June 2012, first for both of us, AF due 27th March
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc since January 2012
Pipbin, 37, TTC since May 2011, on the waiting list for IVF
CaptainMoll - 32, TTC since August 2011, new cycle should start tomorrow! Lap and Dye in a couple of months, DH still awaiting proper test results.. *sigh

navis176 Mon 25-Feb-13 09:46:05

pip is right - the NICE guidelines state 6 months if over 35 and 1 year if under for referrals - can you go in waving those at your GP if they say longer?

MotherOfCleo Mon 25-Feb-13 13:52:20

can someone add me

MotherOfCleo, 29, ttc#1, BFP today (eeeek)

I'm 12dpo, it was a light second line but defo a second line even my OH could see it I'm hoping it gets darker over the next few days.

i had a positive yesterday but hadnt posted!

Hang on a sec, is this 2 BFPs in as many minutes!!??

Wowsers!

Congrats!!

<faints>

Thunderbuns Mon 25-Feb-13 14:24:16

OMG!! Congratulations ladies!!! Wonderful news. How are you both feeling?

its a bit unreal! didnt want to say too much as its such early days but hard not to!

twinklestar2 Mon 25-Feb-13 15:12:36

Congratulations ladies!

happylass Mon 25-Feb-13 15:39:59

Waaaaaaha at last! Congrats ladies. This is the start of things to come, I just knew this thread was going to be a lucky one! grin

navis176 Mon 25-Feb-13 16:21:15

woo! how exciting! fx for everyone else now grin

Thank you x thanks

Mother & Fairy I am over the MOON for you! Can we have BFP pics? It's starting Elderberries... here comes the rush!

MotherOfCleo Mon 25-Feb-13 16:41:31

yay, congrats fairy it doesnt feel real does it! I just hope the line gets darker over the next few days, I wont believe it till I actually miss my AF if that makes sense.

MotherOfCleo Mon 25-Feb-13 16:42:40

I feel fine, slight cramps but nothing like AF. I'll take one for you tomorrow grin

Aquarius1 Mon 25-Feb-13 16:52:43

Finally!!! gringrin Very exciting - hope its the start of the bfp season.....

Mother for all us secret symptom spotters out there let us know if/what you've noticed. I am SO pleased for you. What did OH say/do?

Ooh and Boodle will now have to think about trying the progesterone cream for herself... your 'experiment' clearly worked!!

janey1234 Mon 25-Feb-13 17:22:56

Oh hooray!!! I can't help myself but still have to keep an eye on you all - and suddenly we've got two BFP's! Hoorah! Ladies, when you feel up to it please do come us, but for the moment enjoy - and dont stress about how dark the line is or isn't, or how long it takes to get darker, mine was really pale and took fricking ages quite a while to get darker...

Yay! Congratulations for the BFPs (see us graduates do still lurk quietly to see how you're all getting on) the last time we had a rush of BFPs there were about 5 at once so fingers crossed this is just the start of things to come. Best of luck to you all and hope to see you all on the graduates thread soon.

Pipbin Mon 25-Feb-13 17:45:10

Wooot Two BFPs in the space of two minutes!!

We hadn't had any in ages. These things happen in threes. Who is next?

I'm on 12 DPO here and have had no spotting so far, which is unheard of for me. I'm not going to test until Saturday though.

I feel utterly rubbish at the minute but I've got a chest infection and a rotten cold so that's why! V v tired so having something to eat and then getting into bed.

I did 2 tests as I was scared the first one was wrong! X

Not sure how to post a pic from my phone! X

fairy don't think you can from your phone (you have to go to your profile and add it there not directly in the thread). The alternative is to post on canyouseealine.com and then put the link to it in this thread

And hope you're feeling better soon

Whoop whoop!! Congrats to the BFPers!!

I'm happier tonight. Nothing obvious in my results (low testosterone but still within acceptable) and nothing showing for DP, and after 14 cycles of trying the GP was happy to refer us to the fertility clinic at the hospital. She said we should get an appointment letter in the next 4 weeks and the appointment should be within 4 months so with any luck we'll see the fertility experts just before I turn 34 (in June)! smile. Then I can rant at them about my short LP and irregular periods etc. The gp said I'll have an ultrasound at that point as well. So now I can calm down knowing there's nothing I can do but DTD until June!!!

MotherOfCleo Mon 25-Feb-13 18:28:36

haha merkin I've not had much to be honest, the main thing I can think of is I had loads of spots in my hairline, very odd and manky and totally unheard of, had some backache too but not enough to make me think anything of it. Slight cramps but more like upset tummy cramps than AF cramps, I've been peeing more but that's bacause I've made an effort to drink more. smile

I dont know if the progesterone cream and the extra vits helped but Im just grateful that I finally got 2 lines wink grin

purple and janey how far gone are you guys now? Once I dare to believe I'm diffed I may venture over and say hi. currently in denial

MotherOfCleo Mon 25-Feb-13 18:30:33

oh an my OH sprang out of bed like a speing lamb then said 'well its not a very dark line is it' so very helpful! Men huh.

Hope you're better soon fairy

Rache1S Mon 25-Feb-13 18:31:32

What's this, what's this, what's this? 2 BFP's? Hurrah at last!

Huge congratulations to you both. What wonderful news!

Fairy and Mother I hope to see you both very soon moaning and whingeing about everything on the graduates thread. grin

MotherOfCleo Mon 25-Feb-13 18:35:13

speing=spring doh

janey1234 Mon 25-Feb-13 19:03:59

Mother - am 21 weeks tomorrow. Nuts hey.
Congrats again smilesmile

SloaneRaver Mon 25-Feb-13 19:24:08

Omg MotherOfCleo. Fab news! That is what I call fantastic!

SloaneRaver Mon 25-Feb-13 19:25:21

Soz Fairy, congrats to you too!!

MotherOfCleo Mon 25-Feb-13 19:35:01

wow janey that's flown by! Do you know if you're having a boy or girl yet?

Thank you! X

ILoveMyCats Mon 25-Feb-13 20:20:38

Congratulations on the BFPs!! please could you add me to the thread register? I did yesterday, but have been missed off the subsequent updates:

ILoveMyCats - 31 (nearly 32), ttc #1 since sept 2012, cycle 3 due to long cycle craziness

Many thanks.

Sloaneraver, 34, married, TTC for first time since Feb 2013, AF due today
Soph 33, married, TTC #1 since Jul 11, think AF due 27th
Aquarius, 32, cycle 10/11, af due 8 March ish
navis176, 35, cycle 5 since mmc, af due 14 March
Boodle, 30, Cycle 19, awaiting FS referral and AF due 15th March
Happylass, 35 cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Merkin, 31, cycle 8, AF due between 19 and 21 Mar
Twinklestar2, 34, ttc since August 2011, BFP due 22 March
Thunderbuns, 34, cycle 3 since mmc, af due 23rd March
Bunny, 33, married, TTC since June 2012, first for both of us, AF due 27th March
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc since January 2012
Pipbin, 37, TTC since May 2011, on the waiting list for IVF
CaptainMoll - 32, TTC since August 2011, new cycle should start tomorrow! Lap and Dye in a couple of months, DH still awaiting proper test results.. *sigh
ILoveMyCats - 31 (nearly 32), ttc #1 since sept 2012, cycle 3 due to long cycle craziness

RECENT GRADS;
MotherOfCleo, 29, ttc#1, BFP today (eeeek)
Fairydogmother - 33, TTC from January 2013. BFP 24 Feb

janey1234 Mon 25-Feb-13 20:36:53

Mother - no, could have found out at the scan on Friday but I managed to persuade DP to keep it as a surprise. I'm the only grad so far to do so though - hope I don't regret it! So far I think the grads have had scans showing two pink and one blue...

Soph80 Mon 25-Feb-13 20:37:06

Congrats to the grads!!!!! Ace news!!!!

Mother how long have you been trying for (if you don;t mind me asking)?

ILoveMyCats Mon 25-Feb-13 20:40:06

Thanks, merkin

MotherOfCleo Mon 25-Feb-13 20:42:38

janey your restraint is immense, I don't think I could not find out, I'm a control freak. grin

Of course not soph this is month 6 but cycle 5......it seems sooooo much longer though. hmm

We're in order except for Barking, Pip, Captain & Cats... not sure when your BFP's are on their way so let us know. Gives me something to do while finger drumming and waiting for shag week to start...

On a side point I did make a BIG claim that we were aiming for 21 days straight shagging this month so that O can't appear suddenly and surprise me without me getting round to shagging at the right time again currently day7 and expecting O between 17 and 21 so the shagfest has begun. What's the betting we get bored tire ourselves out before the important days! grin

Ooh mother read about the nub theory this morning... 'claims; you can tell at 12 week scan and it looked fairly reliable!!

ILoveMyCats Mon 25-Feb-13 20:53:40

Errr, I don't know when af/bfp is due. In on cd70, yes, 70...... Started acupunture to regulate cycles last week. She said I could get pg this cycle if I haven't already ov, as the accupuncture will regulate hormones to ov, if haven't already or regulate progesterone if I'm in looooooong luteal phase. Grrrr!

Merk AF has just arrived today, so next cycle will end one way or another on about 31 days.. That's assuming DH has recovered enough from recent stresses to think about jumping bones.. hmm
Would be a pretty big ironidiff if it worked this month, given we can no longer afford even a pack of nappies post company meltdown!

Cats poor you and FX for both O and BFP SOON!! smile

Soph80 Mon 25-Feb-13 21:06:04

sorry to hear about your af Captain. Mine will undoubtedly be with me this week sad

2cats been thinking of having some accupuncture myself. Do you know when you're supposed to have it (if there is a specific time)? Really don't know where to start in finding out info.

Can I book myself in for a BFP on the 21st March? Although that's going on the average, it could be 14th March or 27th March, and actually the BFP maybe wouldn't show until a few days past anyway due to my maddeningly short LP... I just had to edit that as I'd booked myself in for a BFN!!! I'm really not helping myself here! <goes off to have some sharp words with her subconscious...>

Soph80, does this help?
www.acupuncture-fertility.org/

Sloaneraver, 34, married, TTC for first time since Feb 2013, AF due today
Soph 33, married, TTC #1 since Jul 11, think AF due 27th
Aquarius, 32, cycle 10/11, af due 8 March ish
navis176, 35, cycle 5 since mmc, af due 14 March
Boodle, 30, Cycle 19, awaiting FS referral and AF due 15th March
Happylass, 35 cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Merkin, 31, cycle 8, AF due between 19 and 21 Mar
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc since January 2012, BFP due 21 March
Twinklestar2, 34, ttc since August 2011, BFP due 22 March
Thunderbuns, 34, cycle 3 since mmc, af due 23rd March
Bunny, 33, married, TTC since June 2012, first for both of us, AF due 27th March
CaptainMoll - 32, TTC since August 2011, AF due 27 March ish Lap and Dye in a couple of months, DH still awaiting proper test results.. *sigh
Pipbin, 37, TTC since May 2011, on the waiting list for IVF
ILoveMyCats - 31 (nearly 32), ttc #1 since sept 2012, cycle 3 due to long cycle craziness AF due date unknown but FX soon!

RECENT GRADS;
MotherOfCleo, 29, ttc#1, BFP today (eeeek)
Fairydogmother - 33, TTC from January 2013. BFP 24 Feb

Soph80 Mon 25-Feb-13 21:20:13

Barking - could you have a few words with mine whilst you're at it?!!! Thanks for the link.

Pipbin Mon 25-Feb-13 21:32:37

Sloaneraver, 34, married, TTC for first time since Feb 2013, AF due today
Soph 33, married, TTC #1 since Jul 11, think AF due 27th
Pipbin, 37, TTC since May 2011, on the waiting list for IVF AF due 28th
Aquarius, 32, cycle 10/11, af due 8 March ish
navis176, 35, cycle 5 since mmc, af due 14 March
Boodle, 30, Cycle 19, awaiting FS referral and AF due 15th March
Happylass, 35 cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Merkin, 31, cycle 8, AF due between 19 and 21 Mar
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc since January 2012, BFP due 21 March
Twinklestar2, 34, ttc since August 2011, BFP due 22 March
Thunderbuns, 34, cycle 3 since mmc, af due 23rd March
Bunny, 33, married, TTC since June 2012, first for both of us, AF due 27th March
CaptainMoll - 32, TTC since August 2011, AF due 27 March ish Lap and Dye in a couple of months, DH still awaiting proper test results.. *sigh
ILoveMyCats - 31 (nearly 32), ttc #1 since sept 2012, cycle 3 due to long cycle craziness AF due date unknown but FX soon!

RECENT GRADS;
MotherOfCleo, 29, ttc#1, BFP today (eeeek)
Fairydogmother - 33, TTC from January 2013. BFP 24 Feb

Soph80 Mon 25-Feb-13 21:48:20

well done re link barking. My local accupuncturist has a half price clinic on a wed afternoon and I just so happen to have 3 days off and nothing to do!!! x

Glad to be of service Soph!

Boodle9 Mon 25-Feb-13 22:07:03

Evening! Oh my god, busy! Congratulations, Mother and Fairy.

(More) progesterone cream ordered and ready to try this month, regardless of whether or not DH is back for OV day. If not, I can just see what effect it has for funsies!

Barking, glad you're happy with GP visit. Have fun waiting for the referral letter...I'm seriously thinking about some kind of webcam trained on my postbox so I don't have the disappointment of coming home from work and STILL no letter. Grrrrr.

That would be worse Boodle, you'd see a likely looking letter coming through, get all excited and rush home from work and it's just spam sad
Given it took 6 months to be referred to a dermatologist, I'm quite impressed that the GP thought it would be 4 months to get to the fertility clinic! Not that I'm expecting miracles to start happening at the first appointment, it's just nice to know that someone has given the ball a little nudge and it's starting to roll along slowly. Makes me feel like we're not shooting into the dark aimlessly. pun intended.

Bunnygirlie Mon 25-Feb-13 23:10:02

Crikey some BFPs at last, congrats!

Feeling very hormonal and periody so best not say anymore as my negative bitter side may come out sad

Pipbin Mon 25-Feb-13 23:37:52

I was irrational grumpy and cleaning things at the weekend and that usually mean AF is on her way.

MotherOfCleo Tue 26-Feb-13 07:33:44

well I tested again and the line isnt any darker, I'm scared its a chemical. confused

Did you try a digital test maybe? X

MotherOfCleo Tue 26-Feb-13 07:50:24

not yet fairy it would say pregnant as like this test it is just picking up the hcg hormone, I just want the line to get darker so I know its a well stuck iccle egg.

MotherOfCleo Tue 26-Feb-13 08:00:08

sad and now I have some brownish slightly reddish cm/discharge, it is still too early for AF --nnot due till Thursday, I am so scared. sad The last thing I want to do it go to work right now!

Soph80 Tue 26-Feb-13 09:32:05

Mother, just phone in sick!!! Do try not to worry (easy me saying that, I know). Sending positive thoughts xxx

Rache1S Tue 26-Feb-13 09:42:41

Mother when I got my BFP I had brownish CM for half a day on the Monday and AF was due on the Thursday. I tested and got BFP on the Wednesday.

I totally understand your worry as the early days are so stressful but you've got a BFP for now so are definitely pregnant smile and the brown CM is characteristic of implantation. If it is implantation your BFP line should start getting darker from tomorrow. Do you temp at all? If you do my temperature dropped below cover the day before the brown CM and shot into orbit the day after it, which apparently is common.

There's no point me saying don't worry as the whole of pregnancy is one big worry and this is just the beginning, but from what you've said you things seem to be going very similarly to the way mine did and i'm 23 weeks now with a little girl kicking me as I type. smile

MotherOfCleo Tue 26-Feb-13 10:00:58

Rach I could actually kiss you right now, it's just such a roller coaster! I was starting to almost believe it then wiped and saw the browny red and just thought the worst. I have no cramps so I figure that is a good sign, that is the shiny glimmer of hope I am clinging onto! I got a BFP yesterday, browny red cm this morning and AF not due till Thursday, I'm keep everything crossed.

Someone asked for pictures of the test which I've posted. smile

janey1234 Tue 26-Feb-13 10:51:30

Mother look at my photo - much paler than yours!! That was my first test - and taken a few hours after testing, so I think it had even darkened a bit by the time I took the photo. As I said it took a good week to darken as I tested 2-3 days before AF due.

Rache1S Tue 26-Feb-13 11:05:11

Mother I didn't mention it as thought it irrelevant but I also had totally unexplained bright red AF style bleeding for a whole day at 8dpo (brown implantation CM was 11dpo) and had bleeds at 6 weeks and 9 weeks. Obviously each time it happened caused me to panic but I have since learned that unexplained bleeding is relatively common in early pregnancy and is not necessarily a sign that it's all gone Pete Tong.

Keep your chin up, what you've currently got sounds like implantation. smile

Rache1S Tue 26-Feb-13 11:06:39

P.S. Your dog is well cute!

janey1234 Tue 26-Feb-13 11:32:10

Oooh! Didn't see your dog - gorgeous!

mother those lines look fab to me. I suspect you will worry regardless of what people say BUT from everything I have heard/read there is no 'normal' at this stage; some people have cramps, some don't, some people have bleeding, some don't, some people have symptoms and some don't. We all have everything crossed for stickiness, and feel free to moan/grumble/worry on here all you like.
Ps lock up your dog as I want to steal her SO much!

MotherOfCleo Tue 26-Feb-13 12:08:39

Cheers ladies, had no more brown or red so I've calmed down a bit sorry for the mini breakdown lol

Oh and thanks re the pooch, she's my bubba, has me wrapped around her paw sad but true

That's ok have as many mini breakdowns as you need to get through the next few weeks days!

MotherOfCleo Tue 26-Feb-13 12:30:00

cheers merkin smile means a lot.

She was a nightmare puppy but shes grown into the most loving, playful, cute furball, cant imagine being without her. grin

V v cute dog! I have 2 jack Russell terrorists lol.

Ah I managed to get a photo on! But it's not v good I'm afraid - bit blurry

SidneyBristow Tue 26-Feb-13 12:48:45

Whoa, wangers! Sat down for a nice catch-up after my dirty weekend, and so much has happened!! So happy for you both fairy and mother! That is awesome and as jealous as I am (in a nice way, of course), your BFPs give me hope for the rest of us who are still temporarily hanging out on this sofa!

Will add myself to the list:
Sloaneraver, 34, married, TTC for first time since Feb 2013, AF due today
Soph 33, married, TTC #1 since Jul 11, think AF due 27th
Pipbin, 37, TTC since May 2011, on the waiting list for IVF AF due 28th
Aquarius, 32, cycle 10/11, af due 8 March ish
navis176, 35, cycle 5 since mmc, af due 14 March
Boodle, 30, Cycle 19, awaiting FS referral and AF due 15th March
Happylass, 35 cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Merkin, 31, cycle 8, AF due between 19 and 21 Mar
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc since January 2012, BFP due 21 March
Twinklestar2, 34, ttc since August 2011, BFP due 22 March
Thunderbuns, 34, cycle 3 since mmc, af due 23rd March
Bunny, 33, married, TTC since June 2012, first for both of us, AF due 27th March
CaptainMoll - 32, TTC since August 2011, AF due 27 March ish Lap and Dye in a couple of months, DH still awaiting proper test results.. *sigh
ILoveMyCats - 31 (nearly 32), ttc #1 since sept 2012, cycle 3 due to long cycle craziness AF due date unknown but FX soon!
SidneyBristow, 38, ttc since July 2012 (cycle 8), AF due 8 March; awaiting blood test results & appt for ultrasound

RECENT GRADS;
MotherOfCleo, 29, ttc#1, BFP today (eeeek)
Fairydogmother - 33, TTC from January 2013. BFP 24 Feb

My CBFM gave me Peak fertility readings on Fri-Sun, so perfect timing with our weekend trip, but am now kind of paranoid that we didn't DDT enough! Which is just so stupid. iPhone app tells me I'm OVing today, with peak days starting Sunday through tomorrow, so God only knows what's going on. Not sure if I'm starting the 2ww today, or if we should just presume ShagWeek is still in effect.

Fairy dont think you've made your profile public so we can't see your pic (either that or I'm being useless!)

Bunnygirlie Tue 26-Feb-13 13:30:44

Sidney I say keep on shagging if you aren't too knackered after your dirty weekend lol

CD3 here so waiting for witch to leave so we can attempt DTDing but I am dreading it, we've had 3 disastrous months with December illness and then performance troubles so I am just worried March will be the same again (sob)

Had Day3 blood test today and booked in for Day24, hubby has jizz test next friday so its tests galore here!

Keep everything crossed! Actually don't do that, if you cross your legs no babies will be made grin

Soph80 Tue 26-Feb-13 15:41:13

bunny had to lol at 'jizz' test, haven't heard that for years!

fairy I can't c it either!

Think AF is rearing her ugly head, was really hoping it was implantation bleeding wishful think

Soph that's crap, sorry

Soph80 Tue 26-Feb-13 16:15:04

not without its ok, I'm used to it lol. Roll on round 21... Ah, I fantasise about telling you all about getting a line, one day..

Soph80 Tue 26-Feb-13 16:17:17

suppose I better update the list:

Sloaneraver, 34, married, TTC for first time since Feb 2013, AF due today
Soph 33, married, TTC #1 since Jul 11, on IUI waiting list
Pipbin, 37, TTC since May 2011, on the waiting list for IVF AF due 28th
Aquarius, 32, cycle 10/11, af due 8 March ish
navis176, 35, cycle 5 since mmc, af due 14 March
Boodle, 30, Cycle 19, awaiting FS referral and AF due 15th March
Happylass, 35 cycle 7 AF due 17th March
Merkin, 31, cycle 8, AF due between 19 and 21 Mar
Barkingtreefrog, 33, ttc since January 2012, BFP due 21 March
Twinklestar2, 34, ttc since August 2011, BFP due 22 March
Thunderbuns, 34, cycle 3 since mmc, af due 23rd March
Bunny, 33, married, TTC since June 2012, first for both of us, AF due 27th March
CaptainMoll - 32, TTC since August 2011, AF due 27 March ish Lap and Dye in a couple of months, DH still awaiting proper test results.. *sigh
ILoveMyCats - 31 (nearly 32), ttc #1 since sept 2012, cycle 3 due to long cycle craziness AF due date unknown but FX soon!
SidneyBristow, 38, ttc since July 2012 (cycle 8), AF due 8 March; awaiting blood test results & appt for ultrasound

RECENT GRADS;
MotherOfCleo, 29, ttc#1, BFP today (eeeek)
Fairydogmother - 33, TTC from January 2013. BFP 24 Feb

Ok think I made my profile public?!

MotherOfCleo Tue 26-Feb-13 16:58:27

wow fairy your lines are much darker than mine! How many dpo are you?

Has anyone seen Kerry lately?

Pipbin Tue 26-Feb-13 18:14:00

I was just wondering where our newbie had got to.

I don't want to excite anyone but ............... I'm 13 DPO today and nothing. No spotting, which I always get, nothing at all. My usual LP is 12 to 13 days.
I'm going to wait until Saturday and if there is no AF by then, then I'll test.

Bunnygirlie Tue 26-Feb-13 18:14:38

That's what I was thinking captain I did notice one of her posts has been deleted from the last thread by the powers that be though shock

mother how do I see your photo? I'm not particularly bothered about seeing your lines, if I'm honest, I always go for the CB digital test so I don't have to try and interpret anything, but I'd love to see your dog!!!!

Bunnygirlie Tue 26-Feb-13 18:20:57

Fingers crossed pip

Oo, fingers crossed pip and I admire your resistance, if I was due today and it hadn't arrived I'd be POAS! and wasting yet another test

MotherOfCleo Tue 26-Feb-13 18:34:24

haha barking girl after my own heart, you just click on my profile name, can't do it on a mobile though which sucks.

ohhh FX pip

Bunny Captain Kerry was hunted down by some people who don't like her being here for whatever reason. So yes she was knocked off again

Pip crossing things for you. So AF latest would be overdue tomorrow? You got a chart? Contemplating a stick or not??

SidneyBristow Tue 26-Feb-13 18:47:25

Fx for you Pip!!

SidneyBristow Tue 26-Feb-13 18:49:33

Crossed with Merkin -
that is bizarre about Kerry. Why would anyone be so hard-lined against someone who was just seeking support on TTC?
Kerry if you're reading this, hang in there girl. I have high hopes for you & Mr Kerry thanks

mother period is due this Friday so think I was ovulating on 14 feb

Think so!

Fingers xd pip!

Bunnygirlie Tue 26-Feb-13 19:08:42

Not sure what is up with me tonight, feeling really down in the dumps, not sure if it is the blood test from this morn or if I'm under the weather sad or maybe I'm just fed up that it's not my line on a fecking pg test we're all looking at [No smiley for bitter and twisted]

Pipbin Tue 26-Feb-13 19:10:28

Thanks guys.
I'm completely resigned to not getting a bfp that I just refuse to poas until AF is very late.
Also, this is my first full cycle after the lap and dye so I'm not sure if its still not just settling down.

As for Kerry, I can only assume there is something they know that we don't.

poor you bunny think the lines are bittersweet for us left behind. I'm in 'this proves it can happen for long term TTC-ers' and the 'it's fantastic a Berry got her line' and the 'fucking hell I'm going to be left here all on my own talking to myself and i'm so pissed off and jealous' camps simultaneously!!

<Stomps off to fridge to get a beer>

Having said that, pregnant Berries are always welcome here for moaning and support and hand holding etc as I may be grumpy but I am still interested and happy for you and will do everything I can to help despite knowing nothing about it (and will need lots of hand holding in return when my freaking line decides to make an appearance)!!

Ooh Pip had forgotten about the L&D - don't they say success rates are higher afterwards! Lets hope so. How long is very late??

Right there with you with the need for a bitter and twisted emotion bunny! 50% well done very happy for you, 50% so when's it my effing turn?! <hands on hips stamping feet like a 3 year old screaming 'not fair'>

Soph80 Tue 26-Feb-13 19:40:55

when is it any of our effing turns lol? To be fair I am genuinely please when the long term TTC-ers get preggers, although do feel mega guilty about being so jealous about one of my friends sad

Re Kerry, I thought her posts were quite funny but then guess some people don't see it that way x

Soph80 Tue 26-Feb-13 19:43:21

Oh and have my first session with the accupuncturist tomorrow probably more money down the drain

good luck soph I am very ignorant nervous of accupuncture... potentially because in my head it involves needles in the soles of my feet... does it or have I made that up?

mother don't be cross at us for being grumpy! Get yourself on the sausage shuttle back in here pronto and tell us exciting things about what happens when after you get the line... I'm envisaging a story that starts with "Once upon a time there was a stick, and a pot of FMU....

Soph80 Tue 26-Feb-13 19:52:30

merkin I really have no idea about where the needles go lol! I'm just going for my first consultation tomorrow now that I will try anything

MotherOfCleo Tue 26-Feb-13 20:05:20

hi ladies, tbh I dont feel pregnant yet and I totally understand how you all feel as I've felt the same way myself many times. I understand the heartbreak and I'm so sorry to be making you all feel sad.

Currently I am terrified, I am so scared that I am going to start bleeding or get my AF when its due on Thursday. I don't dare believe it will all be ok yet. My line wasn't any darker this morning and I keep obsessing about it.

I always thought this side of the line would be all roses and rainbows but it's just scary and a bit lonely. Dont get me wrong I am so so so pleased that I finally got my bfp but am just scared to get too excited. Hope that made sense??

Boodle9 Tue 26-Feb-13 20:14:19

Waaaaah! Too much to read! smile! Mumsnet and a full-time job are just NOT compatible!

Merkin; I've only had acupuncture once and then never went back as I was embarrassed about taking off my trousers and her seeing my fat legs but there were no needles in my feet. However, I did get them in my legs, abdomen and head!!! Not just forehead, ALL over my head! Weeeird. Couldn't really feel them at all though - certainly not painful in the slightest.

Mother - I hope everything is still OK and the spotting-type stuff has stayed away now. I imagine every little thing makes you wonder and worry! Stay here as long as you need to though - I imagine the jump to the pregnancy forums must be very scary when it's early days.

Bunny - nothing helpful to say, but I will mope around with you. I'm feeling very low - still no appointment date and doctors still being pretty useless in actually helping me out with other health issues.

ILoveMyCats Tue 26-Feb-13 20:14:43

Hi all!
Down in the dumps and bitter here too. Well done on the accupuncture, soph. I had 11 needles on my first session - 1 on the side of each knee, 1 in each ankle and 1 on the top of each foot then the rest were around my navel. I can honestly say I didn't feel a thing. Quite disappointed in a way! She said that I'd need 2/3 sessions to get going then once a month for 2-3 months, which didn't seem excessive. Feels better for doing something to address my cycle weirdness. Good luck! Lt me know if you want to compare notes. Am going for session 2 on Friday.

Boodle9 Tue 26-Feb-13 20:18:49

Cross-posted a bit there! Mother I'm guessing that you feel in a bit of a 'No Man's Land' at the moment. As I said just now, the pregnancy forum jump must be very daunting when it's such early days, but you're worried if you stick around here the savage elderberries will start hurling TTC paraphernalia at your head! We won't! PROMISE!!! Discreetly drops sling shot and 100 pack of cheap OPKs

Soph80 Tue 26-Feb-13 20:19:16

Oh Mother, you're not making us sad, the world is! That totally makes sense but please do try to relax. Is DH looking after you well? xxx

Mother Everyone worries, it's bound to be terrifying! Despite frustration and jealousy and all the other emotions of TTC we don't really have the type of worry anyone will every have for a child iyswim. I think everyone does the worrying, just do what you can to stay relaxed, the stats are on your side. Make sure Mr Mother is looking after you. Keep talking to us (and/or anyone you can in RL if possible). Try to distract yourself, film, book, bath etc. Avoid Dr Google at all costs. Keep peeing on sticks if you need to. And remember some peoples lines don't get that dark.. don't worry. Hang on in there as we're all rooting for you (both)! <hugs>
I don't want to be a downer, but as far as I read everyone says they worry for the first week and think after that they;ll be ok, but then they worry for the first trimester, and then they think everything will be ok but then they worry for the second etc etc. Ie I don't think Thursday will be the end of the worrying, potentially you just get better at dealing at it (maybe the more obviously pregnant you are??) Obviously I have no idea... and am probably not helping ;) Anyway don't be sorry about making us sad... we can still drink wine!! x

MotherOfCleo Tue 26-Feb-13 20:21:10

cheers boodle Im afriad you're stuck with me till the weekend at least smile I'll be quiet and sit in the corner eating cookies like a good girl.

ILoveMyCats Tue 26-Feb-13 20:23:46

Agree with the posts to our pg berries. It's very encouraging to us, but understand the new fears it holds. Stay with us!

MotherOfCleo Tue 26-Feb-13 20:24:32

love you ladies, why would I want to leave when you're all so kind. smile

Thanks again, means a lot.

Soph80 Tue 26-Feb-13 20:24:39

gets the milk grin

Boodle9 Tue 26-Feb-13 20:25:34

Yeah...I'm going to have to confiscate those cookies. They're very um...bad for pregnant women...yeah...<scoff> grin

<brandishes sausage menacingly at boodle> share the cookies lady

MotherOfCleo Tue 26-Feb-13 20:35:11

haha, I have choc hobnobs, animal biccys, choc chip cookies, clubs and penguins yes I have biccy issues and I am sharing them round eagerly. grin

ILoveMyCats Tue 26-Feb-13 20:36:52

The only biccy issue is not having any.

Boodle9 Tue 26-Feb-13 20:40:26

mmmfff....om nom nom...ok....dribble...I'll share the cookies. (Have some scrappy bits of dairy milk in my baking box that may or may not survive the evening.)

Boodle you have made my day by reminding me, when I thought there was no chocolate in the house, that I have loads of white baking choc <sprints to kitchen>

Boodle9 Tue 26-Feb-13 21:00:51

Glad to be of service! grin

Soph80 Tue 26-Feb-13 21:05:12

oh ffs I only came for the chocolate digestives wink

Pipbin Tue 26-Feb-13 21:31:18

Well I've got cramps and very very light brown CM. AF will be here by morning, I'm convinced.

I've just realised that I have got this code here: W12TTJT for www.graze.com. If you put in that code then you will get a free box of nibbly things sent to you! Yes free nibbly thing ladies!

Bunnygirlie Tue 26-Feb-13 21:37:32

Glad I'm not the only grumpy one merkin barking

I am happy for the pg berries, just feeling sorry for myself. Hitting the 9 month mark is just such a real downer sad

mother fairy bet you are feeling weird, i know if I ever get that bloody line I will be scared, I wouldn't wanna leave the berries to graduate until I'd seen that little blob on the screen at the 12 week scan.

soph acupuncture, interesting! I've been having reflexology since end of nov now and I do feel it's doing me good, periods healthier and helping my IBS too. It probably is helping my ov but as we're not DTDing enough it ain't gonna happen is it lol

boodle and cats come sit with me on the B&T sofa, let's mope together, I'll bring the choc cheesecake!

Assuming me and my merkin are allowed on the B&T sofa... Budge up!

I'm finding it all a bit odd tbh. Certainly don't feel pregnant as such!

My friend is due next month and she said she felt weird until the first scan as sh was convinced it would show there was nothing there!

I think the pregnancy forums may be easier if you've already had a baby so not sure I feel 100% comfortable there yet!

Boodle9 Tue 26-Feb-13 21:54:50

<Boodle takes a running jump and flings herself face first onto the sofa, screaming "JAM SANDWICH!" She then resurfaces, spits out bits of Merkin's merkin, and looks round sheepishly, hoping that at least one other Elderberry played 'Jam Sandwich' as a child and knows what the hell she's talking about.>

Just to confirm, if it wasn't obvious from the above, I'm not a talented story writer like Pip!

Bunny, since you dibbed chocolate cheesecake, I'm going to bring my pudding speciality - homemade tiffin! Extra big piece reserved for you! (To say sorry for the merkin incident outlined above.)

Soph80 Tue 26-Feb-13 21:58:43

Bunny - if it makes you feel better, we are DTD enough and it still aint happening lol

Fairy - my friend paid for a scan (not sure at what point you can see anything). She said it cost about £100 but was money well spent as totally put her mind at rest.

qazxc Tue 26-Feb-13 22:01:36

Can I join?
You'll want me in your gang as every female around me seems to fall pregnant (friends, colleagues, neighbours). envy

Boodle9 Tue 26-Feb-13 22:02:19

Ah...crap! I meant to say Bunny AND Merkin - extra big piece for both of you to say sorry for the sofa incident. That went all kinds of wrong! blush

I played Jam Sandwich!! Had forgotten til now! Hate to say it but I'm feeling so sorry for myself I am joining you on the sofa in my onsie <looks around as everyone runs out at speed. Gathers all the left behind cake and biscuits and starts happily
munching while combing merkin back into shape>

Boodle9 Tue 26-Feb-13 22:04:04

Hello qazxc! Welcome to the Elderberries! Have a piece of tiffin! How long have you been trying? Bloody hate it when everyone around you seems to be getting pregnant!

Boodle9 Tue 26-Feb-13 22:06:33

Not so fast there, Merkin; I don't own a onesie, but I do own a spectacularly fluffy, full-length patterned nightie type thing...it also has a hood. Your onesie doesn't scare me off!

<Waves to qazxc> clearly I am going to get your name wrong every time so what can I call you?? Now find something odd to wear, squeeze onto this sofa, grab a biscuit and tell us all about yourself...

Boodle, does Mr Boodle see you in that?? Could that be the root cause of your troubles? wink I have a lovely pair of wooly slipper boots with pompoms on the top (cheers mum)!

Boodle9 Tue 26-Feb-13 22:15:43

grin I also have a lovely pair of woolly slipper boots with pompoms! Thanks mum too. (I'm going to conveniently omit the fact that I put them on my Amazon wish list...)

Yeah...you might have a point about Mr. Boodle...it's not the sexiest...but it's so fluffy I could die!

Even better, to go with all my sexiest outfits I have a 'slanket'... Yes a wooly blanket with sleeves (thanks MIL) so we can now be extra cosy on the sofa!!

ILoveMyCats Tue 26-Feb-13 22:31:12

Oooh, I have a fleecy slanket with Multi coloured stars on it! I'm there! One of my cats has decided to join us - she loves the slanket. Also both of them have been spayed so no pg pets to deal with while bitter and twisted! Hurrah!
I've eaten another half a packet of biscuits tonight to go with the first half from last night. Mustn't make this a habit.
DH and I had decided to dtd on tuesdays, thursdays and sundays in an effort to catch the eod theory, but without having to count! Was too sad this eve. Fail. I'm not good at it anyway, but when sad, it's even more difficult. Boooo.

Bunnygirlie Tue 26-Feb-13 22:33:45

boodle and merkin Oh my! A onesie AND a slanket, not sure whether to run away or just join in <JBO- jogging bottoms on and pulls up knee length fluffy socks> I'm dead sexy too grin

Welcome to our gang q tell us about you!

Bunnygirlie Tue 26-Feb-13 22:35:50

Boooo cats cross post! Welcome to the pity party sofa!

P.s. what the heck is jam sandwich?!?

cats the night is still young, plenty of chance yet. And your chances are greatly increased while donning odd nightwear, fluffy socks and a slanket.... So hurry!

ILoveMyCats Tue 26-Feb-13 22:37:48

Tomorrow will be better!! Welcome q. Looking forward to hearing more about you. Good night berries.

q has clearly read this and fled in fear at the weirdos that reside here! grin

ILoveMyCats Tue 26-Feb-13 22:39:52

Thanks merkin! Crossed posts. Think the ship has sailed & DH not enthusiastic about waking up earlier in the morning. Will try tomorrow evening!

Pipbin Tue 26-Feb-13 22:41:07

Evening new qazxc (I see what you did there), add your details to the list of the damned.

I'm amusing myself looking for a new cooker for the new house.

Seriously guys, get one of those graze boxes. They can include cake and chocolate.

Bunnygirlie Tue 26-Feb-13 22:42:04

Who are you calling a weirdo?!?

Bunnygirlie Tue 26-Feb-13 22:42:27

I hope it was me ! grin

What am I missing about qazxc that everyone else gets? [scratching head emoticon]

Weirdo? Just me I should think!

In a cheery mood as I can start peeing on sticks tomorrow (albeit OPKs) but this stage in a cycle is so promising I find (pre realising I missed O, forgot to have sex, got AF symptoms etc)

Boodle9 Tue 26-Feb-13 22:50:58

We're the weirdos altogether! Hooraaaay! Pip, the first thing I did when I read your post was open the graze website! Do you have to sign up and put in card details and stuff for the freebie? I know if I do that it'll be a slippery slope to twice weekly olives and chocolate covered raisins!

How to do a 'Jam Sandwich':

Step 1: Find a sofa upon which are people happily minding their own business.
Step 2: Run full pelt at sofa and hurl self at its occupants, hollering 'Jam Sandwich' at top volume.
Step 3: Enjoy rolling around on top of squished sofa dwellers! Make sure that any attempts at escape are foiled by employing the 'I'm up, I'm up! No wait I accidentally fell back down again.' strategy.

Now you are a master! Go forth and sandwich!

Doh! I dip out into RL for a couple of hours and I miss the chocolate biscuits?!?! Can someone fish down the side of the sofa and see if there are some crumbs left? I'm not fussy.
I am however wearing my stripy onesie and have been under my pink fleecy slanket all night. So I feel like I've been with you all in spirit, even if I've been scoffing Jamaica ginger cake rather than choccy biscuits. DP has man flu so felt obliged to veg on the sofa with him rather than head to the computer and get some lesson planning done.

Hello qazxc! <waves frantically> Have you got any chocolate biscuits? With all this talk of chocolate I may need to make some chocolate brownies tomorrow....

Merkin If I'm making the correct assumption, qazxc has selected her name by the pattern of where the letters q, a, z, x and c are on a standard keyboard. This may not be what the other berries are commenting on. I may be totally wrong and have missed something....

Ah makes sense, am too stupid on my phone so didn't notice

Pipbin Tue 26-Feb-13 23:07:48

Yes you do need to put in your card details but you can cancel at any time.

Full on red spotting now, but didn't one of our recent BFPs say she had spotting before her BFP?

I never thought that ttcing would take so long and be such hard work.

Loads of people have spotting (some quite heavy) pre (and after) BFP. I am well acquainted with everything doctor google has to offer on this subject <wills it to stop either way>
Do you think I could go on mastermind with early pregnancy symptoms despite never having been pregnant as my specialist subject??

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Pipbin Tue 26-Feb-13 23:14:56

Oh I've sat and explained the whole 'how to get pregnant' thing to women who have had babies.

On the plus side, if AF does show tomorrow then my spotting is clearly much better.

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Pipbin Tue 26-Feb-13 23:17:45

Oh Kerry, if you are still there, please don't be offended by my comment. I was just playing devils advocate.

Hi Mike <sets stopwatch to count how long you'll be allowed to stay on our cosy sofa> wink

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mike do you have a slanket?? We only permit those who own incredibly unsexy polyester/fleecy sofa slobbing clothing. I think you need to prove your worth and get out the wooly socks...

Ffs twice in one night woolly I can spell when not under the influence of wine
Wooh I like the sound of soon to be pregnant! I could then be BabyBeneathTheMerkin! I can make the merkin theme run and run given a chance...

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Rache1S Tue 26-Feb-13 23:31:04

Hi Kerry. I am very glad to see you back, albeit probably briefly. How totally gutting that you keep getting booted off. sad

Pipbin Tue 26-Feb-13 23:31:49

What film is that?

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A leopard print hand muff?? hmm you're in! Octopus ingestion shock wtf?? Do all films now have to list what people are eating at the end?... This film contains scenes of Caesar salad and chocolate pudding ingestion, watch at your discretion

Pipbin Tue 26-Feb-13 23:35:55

Snigger, you said muff.

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Double snigger at muff. Assume I'm therefore not the only one that cringes at the word panty in any context (hose, liner etc)

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Mike maybe it was your muff that was offending people

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Flaps also makes me snort. God I am a child. Are you sure you had a lap and dye and not just a deep clean wink

Aquarius1 Tue 26-Feb-13 23:41:47

hello mike dear hope you're doing ok. feels like we're having a clandestine after hours chat before the lights come on and someone discovers us ....

Don't worry I'm barricading the doors and windows so nobody can come in and find out about the interloper!

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Aquarius1 Tue 26-Feb-13 23:45:58

er... put some cat food on the landing?

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Can you not leave them up there to come down on their own? I am not talking to one of my shits cats after it decided to piss on the sofa and my handbag today. The pissing in random places started when best man stayed for a week pre wedding and he (cat not best man) took to pissing on best mans bed and clothes at every opportunity. We decided it was a personal thing as was only directed as best man but seems to have started with us now. Little fucker (again cat not best man). Otherwise my cats will move at the speed of lightening for cheese cat treats, ham or a laser pen

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Snort at fridge contents hanging round hatch. Mine would be mostly nearly empty wine bottles. And Mike you should know by now to stop even thinking about unnecessary sex acts that will not result in becoming upduffed, pegs or no pegs. You need to be channeling all of his energy into swimmers in the right place at the right time grin

It's a Mulberry and now smells of piss. That cat who was my favourite until recently is a little fucker

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Ha ha I did think twice about putting that. 30th birthday pressie from very generous DH. All my other bags are v cheap (and clearly not good enough for devil cat to piss on). Oh god I am now an outcast aren't I

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I'm off to bed [leery wink emoticon] night all and see you all in the morning (if you haven't exploded in a puff of smoke that it)

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Oh yes it's all about the blowjobs
wink

janey1234 Wed 27-Feb-13 07:35:39

Hi mike!!
We miss you.... Can't you just make up with MNHQ? I hate you getting kicked off all the time angry
That TV company btw said the programme was in the archives and asked why I wanted it. Not getting far with it as yet sad
envyenvyenvyenvyenvy

Pipbin Wed 27-Feb-13 07:40:55

AF was here in full force this morning.

Sorry to hear that pipbin sad

MotherOfCleo Wed 27-Feb-13 07:54:49

line far far lighter today, hardly visable, dont think it's going to stick.....beyond gutted sad sad sad sad

Pipbin Wed 27-Feb-13 08:31:04

Oh Mother it is so cruel isn't it. I do feel for you.

Bunnygirlie Wed 27-Feb-13 08:37:42

Crikey it's all been happening overnight!

mike good to see you!!!

And to the person (I say person not lady) who keeps getting you chucked off SHAME ON YOU!!! Stay off our thread and stick to your own!

pip sorry to hear she got you. mother sad

P.s. merkin I hate the word panty too, it's horrid!

happylass Wed 27-Feb-13 09:03:48

Hear hear Bunny I can't believe someone goes to the trouble of stalking our lovely thread just to cause trouble! <waves at the lovely Mike>

Sorry to hear that Mother keeping everything crossed for you
Sorry about AF Pip

Am on an iPad INSET today so will hopefully be able to keep a sneaky eye in what's going on here grin

pip poor you. mother im sorry hon, was it the same type of test? Are you at home? <hands out slankets and cake and pats sofa encouragingly>

Kerry! Good to see you! Can you talk to MNHQ? They did kind of imply once that if you did they would stop booting you off.. I don't want you booted out anymore. It's annoying and silly. So there.

Pip - sorry about AF.
Mother - sorry about the disappearing line. Fx it comes back.

<hides from AF cramps under Merkins slanket>
<sniggers>

Soph80 Wed 27-Feb-13 09:19:33

Hi '*mike*'!!!! If I'm honest, I've always found your posts to lighten my mood! As for the comments from other people, I think you should name and shame them! You may as well, as MN will prob delete you anyway soon lol. In the meantime, come and sit next to me on the sympathy sofa, thats if my wallowing in self pity doesn't take up all the space lol!!!

Soph80 Wed 27-Feb-13 09:23:51

Oh and guys, Mr Soph had a word last night....he wants me to stop coming on MN sad. He thinks I've become obsessed because I have and MN makes me worse which it doesn't

Really didn't help when my fertility friend alarm went off this am to check my temp lol, after everything we'd talked about.

Anyway, I fear you may see less of me soon sad, although hes at work today so I'll just have to get my 'fix' in when hes not here!!!

Pipbin Wed 27-Feb-13 09:26:38

But Soph you need support from other women in the same situation.
Can you get here on your phone so he doesn't know?

MotherOfCleo Wed 27-Feb-13 09:27:40

merkin yep same type of test, hope its a faulty one. I might get a different brand and see if it makes a difference clutching at straws

soph my OH has no idea I'm on here. They don't really understand it do they.

Mike fab to see you grin

soph phone is the future. I'm on while DH watches crappy films on an evening
mother think you have to decide which will be worse for you, waiting and wondering til tomorrow or testing again today and whatever outcome may come. I have never heard on anybody using boots tests. I would send you a stack of my ICs as they are sooper sooper sensitive! Did you have a lot to drink before bed? (Water/liquid, not alcohol obv)

Soph80 Wed 27-Feb-13 09:36:00

pipkin I so do!!!!!!! Could try on phone, hmmm he'd prob think I was playing 'words with friends' (my other guilty pleasure haha)

mother they really don't. Excitedly told him that I'll be ovulating the day I've booked myself into a spa day and we have a hotel room that night as got tickets for 'the last leg'. He had this look of pity on his face, like I am clearly this deranged, obsessed mother-wanna be sad

Pipbin Wed 27-Feb-13 10:20:21

When will men just realise that if they just do the business on request then everyone's life will be easier.
Seriously, all we need if for them to pony up the goods.
I don't want it to be exceptional or exciting, just get the job done.

Soph80 Wed 27-Feb-13 10:36:15

lol at 'pony up the goods'. Its the bloody consultant putting ideas into his head anyway. I'm sure its because I annoy her by asking too many questions lol.

Right cycle 21 is going to be my cycle...this is the plan:

acupuncture booked today (and more depending on what I think today)
clomid 50mg today-sun
spa day inc full body massage day before ovulation
hotel room day before ovulation
DTD every other day
<7units alcohol per week (if that) for both of us
no caffeine
BBT using fertility friend
OPKs

any other ideas??? Oh God, this post really does prove how obsessed I am lol.

Soph don't worry about being obsessed. It's only because we're trying to get pregnant that people use the words like obsessed. If you're trying to achieve something it is logical and sensible to make your chances of success as high as possible, which is all you (and we) are doing.
So... are you taking pre natal vits? Have you banned OH from tight pants and laptop on his knee? Have you considered pre-seed or the like (even if secret use)....

Pipbin Wed 27-Feb-13 10:59:06

I agree with the secret use of preseed etc.
I tend to apply in the bathroom before hand.

Soph80 Wed 27-Feb-13 11:02:39

Taking Sanatogen conception ones, using preseed (thank the Lord) and DH often takes it upon himself to wear shorts anyway. Haven't banned the laptop yet hmm.....

But dont use as much as it says on the instructions else you will be sliding around in bed iyswim

Then Soph you have well and truly covered all angles and this WILL be your cycle <fires positive thoughts into the universe towards soph>

Mother hope you're ok, we're here x

Soph80 Wed 27-Feb-13 11:17:59

pipkin yes, I've been applying it in secret too but he does know. Its a god send, totally takes the stress out of 'having to enjoy it', thus making it enjoyable! Only use it on shag week though, as we love sex on non-baby making weeks lol

MotherOfCleo Wed 27-Feb-13 11:27:36

cheers, I'm ok, I read that tests don't actually pick up higher or lower levels they just give a yes or no type answer, that is what I am clinging to at the mo.

I feel fine, bit of backache, no spotting or bleeding, cervix is still crazily high and hard so guess I just wait and see over the next few days. May get a different brand of test just to see if it makes a difference? Is that daft?

Soph80 Wed 27-Feb-13 11:33:29

Oh mother only just read your earlier post. Hang in there and , yes get a different brand. My friend said her line was really faint for about 6 weeks (sorry that prob doesn't help, but she does have a DS now).

MotherOfCleo Wed 27-Feb-13 11:45:58

soph actually that helps hugely grin I thought faint lines were bad, but I guess a line is a line, if they stay positive (and AF stays away) through the weekend I'll start to feel better.

The tests Im using are 2 for a quid in asda so may not be the best blush confused

I believe loads of people want to keep testing at the beginning so don't feel mad! I think the darkness of the line is to do with the amount of dye in the test, which varies as far as I understand it.
Earlier this month first response were buy one get one free in superdrug, tho I have heard that Superdrug own ones are supposed to be good. Would send you my tonne of IC if it would help... if you do think you're going to be continuing testing for a bit you could stick a next day delivery order on amazon for a couple of quid for the internet cheapies. (i use these which are 10miu so super sensitive and only £4 for 25!

MikeHunt71 Wed 27-Feb-13 12:08:50

Message deleted by Mumsnet for breaking our Talk Guidelines. Replies may also be deleted.

Soph80 Wed 27-Feb-13 12:09:36

Merkin I've just ordered some. You know I used to think it was funny that you'd ever need more than one pregnancy test, how wrong I was!!!!

navis176 Wed 27-Feb-13 12:15:57

Mother - hope you're feeling ok today, keeping everything crossed for you

Sorry about AF Pip

<waves at mike>

I've been awol for a couple of days, just reading back....

Soph80 Wed 27-Feb-13 12:39:05

Mike maybe I just need to tone it down a bit when speaking to him. Tbf he is right when he says that every other word is about conception.

Bollocks that reminds me, I'm supposed to be peeing on OPK's today.... <rushes out to find pot>

navis176 Wed 27-Feb-13 12:58:47

merkin - I got + opk yesterday - when's yours due? Is it sad that I get excited about + opks?! You've gotta love a second line grin

navis welcome back from afar. Expecting sometime between Sun and Wed BUT am being extra careful after the odd cycle from hell last time round... I don't want any surprises! Enjoy your TWW of doom

Pipbin Wed 27-Feb-13 13:05:14

I get so excited about opk lines. Heaven knows what I would be like if I ever got a line on a pg test.

Bunnygirlie Wed 27-Feb-13 13:18:07

Soph80 forget all this TTC nonsense, I am so jealous of you going to see 'the Last Leg' I LOVE THAT SHOW, I also think I may be a bit in love with Adam Hills!

Mike perhaps we could start a petition to keep you! We all think you comments are ace (perhaps not the c-word though wink lol) on our thread!

This thread is a lifesaver to me, I haven't told many 'real' people about TTC so unless hubby wants me to whinge to him then he'll have to cope with me being on MN for a bit each day!

SidneyBristow Wed 27-Feb-13 13:40:43

Soph I think preoccupation about TTC is totally normal, in fact I defy anyone to find a woman in her 30s who wants & is ready for a baby who can truly go through all this malarkey with a breezy attitude. Last week I pointed out to DH that it's awfully hard to put TTC in the back of my mind, when there's no real way to escape it as it involves my body - sometimes being terrified of what I might find when I go to the loo, or having to do a wee test while in there, or wondering if that glass of wine with dinner is alright, etc - and it helps to talk about it with other women who go through the same thing. Plus, the more people to cheer for you when you do get a BFP, the better, right? grin

Fx that everyone's test lines hold out - just starting the 2ww here, cautiously hopeful as always

navis176 Wed 27-Feb-13 13:46:46

sid - I agree with you completely - my oh doesn't really understand that I can't just stop thinking about it, I think it is so different when it is your body that is involved. Oh, and I'm just starting 2ww too - fx for us mid march!!

Soph80 Wed 27-Feb-13 13:51:50

Bunny Alex Brooker is one of our friends! We met him and his girlfriend on holiday a few months back so getting the tickets via him. Oh and I am a 'real person' by the way lol but I do know what you mean.

Sidney bizarrely, one of my friends has a really breezy attitude towards it (her husband is away so much she never thinks she'll get pregnant) yet has conceived 3 times in the last few years, and will undoubtedly get pregnant again soon. Really wish I could be more like that.

Can you get an evap on a OPK?? (Chuckles). Yes my first OPK is as white as snow

janey1234 Wed 27-Feb-13 15:38:57

Right. I'm not even officially on this thread but am sick of them banning Kerry/Gail/Mike.
Humph.

I'm up for a petition. If she's so bloody offensive people shouldn't look!!

MotherOfCleo Wed 27-Feb-13 16:18:33

Ok, so I'm even doing my own head in now (sorry) I just did a cheapy strip test from the pharmacy and the second line is as dark/light as the test I did first thing this morning. God who'd have thought the colour of a line on a pee stick could be suck a frickin minefield.

I've uploaded it but don't expect anyone to look lol.

Sorry again for being an uptight crazy woman! I think once I'm through the weekend I'll feel better, but then I will be all alone for 10 days while the OH is away. I think I may have to call in reinforcements in the shape of my 2 best girl friends as I don't think I can get through those 10 days dealing with this totally alone.....eeeek. I am a total loser aren't I. blush

Janey I'm with you. It is so very very annoying.

Syd instadiffers are always breezy. I was breezy until about cycle 7, at which point I had total meltdown and developed my current cynical, despairing, enraged attitude towards the whole thing.
I remember my aunt once telling me that the most amazing, beautiful sex one will ever have is the sex one has when conceiving. PAH.

janey1234 Wed 27-Feb-13 16:24:09

Captain - urm, despite knowing when I ovulated, I'm not certain which time 'worked'. One of them was nice enough, the other rather functional and tbh a bit boring. No offense to your aunt but I think that amazing/beautiful statement is a load of bollocks! Most people don't know which time it was, the others absolutely knew and were DTD precisely because it was the right time, making it less than beautifully romantic in the real world...

Mother - I PROMISE the line is as pale as mine to begin with. Have you looked at my photo? Still got everything crossed for you.

Exactly Janey - but then my aunt was an instadiffer.

I think what she meant was that having sex with the aim of procreation was a beautiful experience, whether it works or not, but TBH after a year of TTC, when it's come down to just getting some sperm in the right place at the right time, there's very little of the beauty left!!

Rache1S Wed 27-Feb-13 17:12:13

There was nothing beautiful about our conception love making.... a tea time quickie and then the age old pillow under the arse technique was the time which worked for us I think.

Who is starting the Free the Elderberry One petition?

Mother the pics on here are tiny (hence why I prefer canyouseealine.com) BUT i can easily see your line. To me (based on my total lack of experience smile ) it just looks like an early positive BFP with a good, easily visible line. And remember hormone levels take 48 to 72 hours to double, and even then in the early days you are doubling relatively small numbers so I wouldn't expect noticeable changes early on. For example on your first test day you could have had HCG levels of 10 and now they could be on their way to 20... both levels are hard for tests to detect. (Had a look and at 13DPO HCG levels can be anywhere between 10 and 100 in a normal pregnancy!)

Ok, catching up so bear with me!

MotherOfCleo Cleo is gorgeous!! (finally on a computer so can see your photos!) I have a dog who is definitely my child substitute. I am the person I always ridiculed, the dog owner who has been heard referring to herself as ‘mummy’, who lets the dog sleep on the bed when DP is away, and who melts when the dog cocks his head on one side and works those gorgeous brown eyes…
Anyway, I’ve also seen your ‘line’ photos but am not getting drawn into the debate as I’ve never tried them myself so have nothing useful to add. I’ve always gone for the CB digital so I could just get a ‘pregnant’ or ‘not pregnant’ and not have to agonise over the strength of a line. However, I can’t resist POAS every time AF is late as I can’t cope with the not knowing even though when given a BFN I optimistically refuse to believe it, which kind of defeats the point and it’s not cheap!! So, Merkin, I might just have to make a purchase from your link there, as I won’t deliberate over wasting using a test or not if it’s cheap or cheaper actually as chips! Bring on the is it a line?! stress!!

And on the theme of TTC costing too much money, who uses the CBFM? After a year of trying I decided it was time to get more technical (I’ve been charting for the last 8 months but thought I’d step it up…) so bought one from ebay, but the sticks cost £20 for 20, and the first cycle I used it I had to use all 20 sticks as I didn’t O until CD 22! Apparently it’s normal to use 10 per cycle, but this cycle I still had to start POAS again today (CD9) so I’m not going to have 10 left to use next cycle. Will it learn from 2 cycles to not ask me to start until later next time? Can’t be using 20 sticks every cycle!

Soph my DP has no idea I’ve started coming on MN, no-one in RL does, I don’t think they’d understand. It’d definitely be you’re trying to hard/thinking about it too much/it’s not healthy etc so you lot are my dirty little secret… I do have a close friend who is also ttc and has been trying for 16 months now, so slightly longer than me, but she gets upset about it so I don’t want to ‘use’ her to offload to as it might set her off as well if I’m having a bad day. My two closest friends both have children and both know we’re ttc. One has two kids and didn’t struggle to conceive (although it took them 4 months to sow the second seed, so she says she understands how hard it is…), the other had an (unplanned) ectopic pregnancy then a late mc before getting her ds, so I’m lucky to have two people with different experiences to cry on talk to. Both got in touch straight away when I texted them to tell them SiL was pg again as they unlike my mother who said it was great news understood it hit me hard.

Anyway, rambling on so must go walk the dog before it gets dark….

<waves to Mike in the hope someone is still there to be waved to>

SidneyBristow Wed 27-Feb-13 17:43:07

Well I guess my theory is blown, and that there actually are ladies out there who are easygoing about TTC. Sadly I don't think I'll ever be that way, even if I have Baby #1 and go on for Baby #2, 3, 4 or whatever - maybe I'm too much an overachiever but it really bugs me sometimes that I'm on cycle 8 now. All my life I thought getting pregnant was a easy as ordering a pizza, and it annoys the hell out of me that a)I was misled and b)I've not been on the lower end of "average # of months TTC" thingie and c)that I give myself such a hard time about it all sometimes. I want to enjoy this part of my marriage, not cry through it bc we haven't made a baby yet.

Cap'n LOL @ your aunt! once upon a time I might've thought the same, but last weekend laughed with my DH that wouldn't it be ironic if the shag that winds up working was the shag we'd had the night before, which I barely remembered bc I'd drunk too much blush

Mother a line is a line is a line! Fx for you it gets super dark soon, just to ease your mind!

SidneyBristow Wed 27-Feb-13 17:44:41

Barking I use CBFM, for the second month now. 1st time I think I had to use 11 sticks (needed 2 for one particular day as the first one fell in the toilet...) and this second month have needed 9, I think, so there's the first box gone. It can be frustrating but I think it eases my mind a little, especially as this month CBFM & my iphone fertility app were at least 4 days apart.

This is an experiment of sorts as using my kindle (phone out of battery and in the bath...tmi??)
I snorted at one fell down the loo Sydney!
outside of instadiffers my pet peeve is people who tell me they decided not to get pregnant for a while after getting married so they could enjoy being married first. I'd love to do that but happen to have run out of time and dont need people rubbing that in my face. (Unfair grumpiness i realise but always makes me feel inferior to people who "left enough time")

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 27-Feb-13 18:26:04

Evening. We've seen the post on here about setting up a Free the Elderberry One petition, so we thought it best to post ourselves.

This is a highly unusual situation. We do understand how miffed you must feel to see a fellow Elderberry repeatedly deleted and banned. But we also hope you'd understand that we wouldn't take this kind of action lightly.

We very, very rarely post on the boards about our dealings with posters we have banned. But, in this case, we think we might make an exception, just so everyone is clear what has been going on here.

OK, we first suspended Viv/Gail/Mike (etc etc)'s ability to post when she was posting as goldengirl71, way back in December. She had come onto a very innocuous thread about living up north to post a good number of offensive, disablist posts. We're not going to repeat them all but, suffice to say that she appeared to us to be deliberately provoking the other posters ("Gosh! How easy is it to raise hackles on these threads? Love it!") and when she was asked not to use the word "retard", she posted "I'm sorry I offended you. I feel a proper mong now".

We quite often suspend posters temporarily, in this sort of situation, partly to stop them continuing to provoke and partly in order to enable us to have a quiet word with them about our Talk Guidelines.

Viv/Gail/Mike, however, re-regged within a couple of hours, posting that she'd decided to namechange.

She then posted on a regular Conception thread about how bizarre she found some of the posters on the Fabulous 40+ threads. We deleted her post and, it being Christmas and all, decided not to re-suspend her but send her a mail, asking her to please to moderate the tone of her posts.

Unfortunately we then, in late Jan, had to delete another thread she'd started in AIBU that seemed to have been started purely to criticise/poke fun at other Mumsnetters who were TTC. We did ban her for good then.

After that, she has repeatedly returned under various new accounts. And we have rebanned her each time, as is our policy.

She has mailed into us, once, recently, to apologise - for which we were grateful. But when we came to reply to her, we found she had already reregged again! We mailed her back to say:

"Hi Kerry

Thanks for your mail.

We appreciate your apology, although we have to be honest and say we would struggle to classify some of your comments as irreverent humour; they did come across to us, and many other posters, as rule-breakingly provocative.

We do understand that you value the support of the Elderberry Pavlovas and that you'd like us to reinstate your posting ability.

But we hope that you'd understand that your repeated re-regging while you are suspended doesn't give us much faith that you're willing to post within our site rules.

We can see that you've even re-regged at least once while you were waiting for our reply to this mail of yours.

Best
MNHQ"

Since we said that mail, we have heard nothing. But she had reregged again many, many times and sent very abusive PMs to several other Mumsnetters.

Apols for the very long post but we hope you now understand that we can't really allow someone to keep posting on Mumsnet when they are repeatedly breaking the site rules and, it does unfortunately seem, trying to provoke bad feelings between one group of posters and another.

Ha! Merkin - I also feel like I've run out of time to do things the right way... Can't remember exactly how he phrased it, but over a year ago DP essentially asked which I wanted first - marriage or kids. I said we could get married at any age but if we wanted kids we'd best start trying (we didn't meet until I was 30) but I didn't envisage it taking 15 cycles and counting. We could have planned and had a big wedding by now!! If When we get a dc I foresee arguments about whether it has his name or not. Maybe I should just propose to him and drag him down to the registry office at the next available opportunity. Seems a shame to miss the opportunity for a big party though. I don't want to get married while pg as I won't be able to drink!!!

Boodle9 Wed 27-Feb-13 19:07:04

Oh my god, sod this TTC lark, Soph I am INSANELY jealous about your tickets for 'The Last Leg'; I absolutely LOVE the show - got into it during the paralympics as I had seen a bit of Adam Hills before and loved his stuff. Josh, Alex and Adam are such a great team together - the dramatic interpretation of a worm hole with Brian Cox had me in tears!

Well, I missed A LOT going to bed early, didn't I?! Appreciate the reply, HelenMumsnet, even though I missed the events of last night. I still feel really sad though, because at the end of the day, Kerry to us is just a friend who is struggling to TTC and dealing with it in her way. I am so glad I found the courage to stop lurking and get myself joined up and posting. I've found it extremely cathartic to bitch and moan about real-life and I don't like to think of people getting denied that opportunity. I can't really comment on most of your reasons for banning Kerry as I wasn't involved in the threads etc. However, I was around for the AIBU thread and I just think it all got taken out of context. I also feel partly responsible for that thread because we had all been talking about AIBU on here, and what a scary place it was. We were joking about starting a TTC-related thread there and so that's what Kerry did! I also think that the posters that got upset on there over the 'TTC for 10 years' remark completely misunderstood the point that she was trying to make, but Kerry's posting style is blunt and argumentative (I'm hoping she doesn't mind me saying that, because I love that - no pussyfooting round issues suits me fine.) and so the point she was making just got lost in the ensuing row.

ANYWAAAAAYS, I've sort of made my point. Far less eloquently than I would like, as usual.

Barking that's exactly it... The amount of times i've been asked since the wedding (Jan) whether i'm pregnant and told 'we'd better hurry up'. I KNOW, but unfortunately I didn't meet DH until 5 years ago, 4 years later he proposed and then it was a year before we got married. We were NTNP for 6 months pre proposal and actively trying since about 6 months before the wedding. I would have loved to have met him sooner and had more time to go about things, but that's not the way it panned out...

HelenCanKissMyArse Wed 27-Feb-13 19:23:43

Dear Helen of Mumsnot Towers,

How on earth can I be disablist when I myself possess only one leg? I have achieved many things in my life, notwithstanding the cruelty of my disability; didn't you see me on the telly during the Olympics (I came 52nd in the three-legged race)? I don't actually believe you when you say you banned me for the above reasons (iz it coz I iz black?!)

Anyway, I have decided to take absolutely no notice of you whatsoever (you're not my mum, you know!) and shall indeed be returning in the not-so-distant future. You will recognise me: I'm the gorgeous, large-breasted bird who's been shagging your husband for the last twelve months whilst you've been busy being a Guardian-reading fascist at Mumsnet Towers.

Ta-ta for now! xxx

Boodle9 Wed 27-Feb-13 19:32:22

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21601880

The bit at the bottom about 'anxiety amongst sexual researchers' because they think people overestimate/exaggerate tell bare-faced lies about how much sex they have.

Come and interview the Elderberries on their sofa; we'll tell it like it is, and you can have cake!

Pipbin Wed 27-Feb-13 19:53:27

I don't really want to get into a debate about the rights or wrongs of one poster, and I'm not taking sides, but thank you for your reply mumsnet. I, and I'm sure others here, appreciate the time you have taken to tell us why you have made the decision you have.

Any way, in my life AF sucks and it's parents evening which sucks too. On the upside there was triffle.

Going to point out the obvious but loads of tumbleweed flying round this thread this eve grin
So to get it out the way I'm gonna say gail has never been anything but lovely to me, however everyone has their own perspective and I'm therefore now going to be Switzerland. I don't think any Elderberry wants to be involved in name calling or accusations or bad feelings or causing upset so let's move on. I will raise a wine for elderberries old, current and new as you've all had a part in keeping me sane!

BelissimaLol Wed 27-Feb-13 20:10:35

Hi lovely ladies
You have not seen me for a while as I've been booted asked not to talk too much about being pg.
But like other graduates I always come here to see how you are getting on and hoping for more bfps soon.
However I feel as part of one of the original elderberries I have to say this thread is being spoiled a bit by all this banning drama!
We all come here for ttc support but instead seem to have got caught up in a fight and forget why we are here in how first place.
Well I've said my piece. No offence intended to anyone. now I will bugger off again before being asked to leave!
Good luck to all of you and congrats to our recent graduates grin

Bunnygirlie Wed 27-Feb-13 20:11:57

Thank you Mumsnet for explaining, Kerry has been nothing but lovely to us in here but we cannot comment on the other threads.

I don't think goading them is a good idea though!

So let's move on, how are we all this evening?

Bunnygirlie Wed 27-Feb-13 20:13:04

Nice to see you lol

Boodle9 Wed 27-Feb-13 20:20:02

Yep, yep. Agree with Pip and especially Merkin regarding the bad feeling and name calling.

But, with that in mind, Kerry, I know you're feeling pissed off at Mumsnet and Helen, but that last post was uncalled for.

I look forward to logging on and chatting to you Elderberries every night - It will be a sad day for us if we end up in a cycle of angry/defensive messages followed by deleted messages.

Soph80 Wed 27-Feb-13 20:21:50

merkin wtf?? you've never done an OPK before? Thats amazing, you actually listen to the doctors unlike me who's probably spent £££

captain I think your aunty might have been fibbing lol

barking that settles it, I will keep you all as my dirty little secret --or just tell DH to p* off and mind his own business!

We did have a CBFM but
I gave up on it after 3 months of it not reading my Ov properly (I was backing it up with OPKs)

Oh and you should just start arranging your wedding. It will be sods law that you will be 8 months pregnant on your wedding day but its one way to get preggers ey?

boodle I'm really excited! AND I should be ovulating around then...so the hotel room will come in nicely!

'helen' am PMSL right now!!!! Don't change for anyone apart from your name every 5 minutes Oh and 'Mike's' new name has only just dawned on me lol doh!!!

Boodle9 Wed 27-Feb-13 20:22:03

Bunny, are you feeling better today, my dear? I was worried about you feeling so low the last couple of days.

I'm STILL waiting for referral letter...it's 4 weeks tomorrow since I went to the doctors. RAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH! (I'm going to add more 'A's every day I'm kept waiting!)

Pipbin Wed 27-Feb-13 20:24:19

I'm going to join Merkin in Switzerland.

So my question is should I bother to continue with the CBFM? I always double check with OPKs anyway. I bought it second hand on ebay so I could sell it for what I paid for it and be no worse off.

Bunnygirlie Wed 27-Feb-13 20:27:11

Hey Boodle I'm feeling bit better thanks, just so very nervous about DTD week, if it continues to go pete tong I will just get more upset sad

What will your referral be for?

Bunnygirlie Wed 27-Feb-13 20:28:14

Let's all stay in Switzerland and est chocolate grin I'm on the B&T sofa with choc orange!

Bunnygirlie Wed 27-Feb-13 20:28:28

*eat

Boodle9 Wed 27-Feb-13 20:31:10

That's great timing then, Soph! smile

Pip, my humble opinion is don't bother with the CBFM! I resent mine every time I open my drawer to retrieve my OPKs! I paid fully bloody whack as well...fool.

Soph80 Wed 27-Feb-13 20:32:29

Oh what with all the excitement I forgot to tell you that I went to see an acupuncturist today. I can't quite decide whether its worth giving a go or its just a load of old tosh. Other people seem to have these amazing stories / experiences but I really don't know what to think?

Oh and I think I'm going to do 'ini meeny mini mo' as to whether I take 3 third lot of clomid today or not!!!!

Boodle9 Wed 27-Feb-13 20:33:19

Bunny It's a referral to the fertility specialist. I just want to know a date in my head - I hate the uncertainty! Doctor reckoned that first thing they'd do is give me clomid.

BelissimaLol Wed 27-Feb-13 20:34:40

For all its worth I would not bother with cbfm either. Think opk can do as good a job. Plus I was told I got pg a whole week before my smiley impossible as I did not have a shag then so it looks like you might as well put your thumb up to the wind and guess if you are fertile!!

Bunnygirlie Wed 27-Feb-13 21:01:32

Ah I see, I'm on the blood tests this month so I guess that's the first step for us!

Glad I haven't resorted to temping, I don't need anymore stress! Doing the ov tests is bad enough, especially as when you get your positive it's prob too late anyway.

Pipbin Wed 27-Feb-13 21:06:23

Soph My honest, honest opinion is that acupuncture is a load of old tosh. I know there are all sorts of success stories but as it has been said before, I liken it to the quote 'medicine is the art of keeping the patient occupied while nature takes it's course.'

Yes OPKs and the CBFM tell us the best time to shag but so much of it is just to make us feel like we are doing something. I have been so desperate that I have done all sorts. I prayed when I was in a church for a wedding at Christmas. I have got crystals under my bed. I am a dyed in the wool, card carrying atheist with no belief in crystals. But still I did it just on the off chance.

And in my honest opinion acupuncture is the same. However, if it makes you feel relaxed, happy and like you are doing something positive then do it.

haycorn Wed 27-Feb-13 21:09:37

Hello everyone! <waves shyly> After much lurking I have plucked up the courage to make my first post. Do you think I could join your ever-so-lovely thread?

Boodle9 Wed 27-Feb-13 21:11:42

I'm having more blood tests next week, but that's because I've demanded more for thyroid function!

I'm still an avid temper, but I just don't find it stressful. I like knowing I have the sheets to print out as short luteal phase evidence. I don't know if I would have continued to temp though, had I found everything to be OK in that respect. It's just now I know it's a problem, the more evidence the better.

Have a horrible feeling that ovulation day is going to hit before DH returns home. Distinct change in CM earlier. That will mean Cycle 19 is out for a duck and I'll be rolling onto cycle fucking 20.

Boodle9 Wed 27-Feb-13 21:13:16

Good evening haycorn - what a night to pick for introducing yourself! smile Tell us about yourself!

haycorn Wed 27-Feb-13 21:19:27

I know, I did think maybe I should wait for things to get less exciting before joining in, but who knows how much more exciting it could get?!
About me: 30, married, TTC since Sep 2012, AF due who knows when (very irregular cycles - was hoping that was just due to coming off the pill but 6 months on might need to face facts and just accept that I'm a mess!)

Boodle9 Wed 27-Feb-13 21:26:01

I think that might be our problem...we're all so busy getting stuck in with the excitement on here, we've all forgotten to go and have sex! grin

I don't know about the pill, but I'm sure I've heard people say that it can take up to a year for everything to properly settle back down - maybe you're just taking a a bit longer?

Pipbin Wed 27-Feb-13 21:34:33

Hi Haycorn welcome, pull up some chocolate and get comfy.

Boodle when did you got to the doctor. You've been at it damn near the same time as me but I'm much further down the line than you.

Bunnygirlie Wed 27-Feb-13 21:37:39

Welcome haycorn to the lovely (sometimes slightly crazy) elderberry gang smile

boodle what is this strange concept you speak of?!? Sex?!?!?

Boodle9 Wed 27-Feb-13 21:40:12

Pip, remember though, my cycles are often short, so cycle 19 for me has probably come around a fair bit quicker! We started officially TTC Autumn 2011, although we weren't exactly 'thorough' with contraception since we married earlier that year. Didn't go to doctor until August 2012 and then it's just been rumbling on since then.

Boodle9 Wed 27-Feb-13 21:41:49

Bunny grin! I'm imagining you like a little child learning to read. "Suh..Eh..Cks...Miiiissss, what's "suh...suh...sex?"

Pipbin Wed 27-Feb-13 21:43:20

Oh Haycorn, not to worry you but being on the pill can mask problems. Given that so many of us spend so many years on the pill we can forget what our normal cycles are.
I found that mine took about 3 cycles to get back to normal. If it was me, knowing what I know now, I would go to the doctor about it. If you are lucky then they might test for stuff, if not then they will know that you are trying and that will be flagged up.

happylass Wed 27-Feb-13 21:56:08

Welcome Haycorn <waves>. My gosh there's been a lot of activity on here this evening! Just scanned through so hope I haven't missed anything major!
Just gearing up for shag week again here. Who's with me? Lovely DP has agreed to get up at silly o'clock on Saturday to go away so that we can DTD Friday eve (he did also suggest DTD when he gets up at 5am Saturday 'just to be sure' - sod that!!)

haycorn Wed 27-Feb-13 21:56:58

Thanks Pipbin. I have been thinking about going to the doctor, but have been worried they would just tell me to go away and come back after a year. Think maybe I need to man up and get it done. I hate the not knowing, the feeling really (pathetically) proud of us when we get a sexed-up month and then worrying that it was all for nothing if my body isn't working anyway. Not that the sex is nothing obviously, I just might not be requesting it quite so often if I didn't have an ulterior motive wink

Soph80 Wed 27-Feb-13 22:01:24

Pipbin I think you might be right about 'needing to do something'. I think I might focus more on yoga and spa days though

Boodle come to think about it, I resent my CBFM every time I open the drawer too. Maybe I'll stick it on ebay.

Soph80 Wed 27-Feb-13 22:04:50

Haycorn hello and welcome! <makes space on the sympathy sofa>. I'm afraid your GP will prob send you away until you've been TTC for a year unless you fib about how long you've been trying for. You might be able to just do the basics, e.g 21 day progesterone test, thyroid function test, etc

Pipbin Wed 27-Feb-13 22:10:24

Even if the gp does send you away Haycorn, it'll be in the system that you are trying.

Can we all decide that eating lots of chocolate is a sure fire way to get updiffed. What we need is one of our graduate elderberries to comeback and tell us that they filled their faces.

Soph80 Wed 27-Feb-13 22:19:17

Well I had pate on toast for tea as DH didn't bother to get tea ready, as planned. I figured since this is my last month for eating pate for 9 months I may as well make the post of it as I will get pregnant this month FACT!!!!

Bunnygirlie Wed 27-Feb-13 22:28:13

happy heading towards (trying to) shag week here too. Gone try for tues thurs and once/twice at weekend if hubby up for it. He has jizz test on CD12 so he has to avoid sex 2 days prior so we shall see what happens!

I'm definitely on the 'needing to do something' side. I started with the pregnacare vitamins, then gave up alcohol, then started recording cycles and watching cm, then temping, then cbfm, plus lots of useless internet research along the way, and the next thing for me was to go to the gp. Took two months from the first GP visit after ttc for a year until the referral to the clinic this week post blood tests/SA. Now I'm a few weeks behind Boodle in waiting for my appointment letter to come through!
Although the expense of all the sticks I'm using is worrying me a little at the moment, I will continue with the CBFM until I get to the fertility clinic in the interests of amassing evidence of my stupid, short LP.

I've now decided conclusively that giving up alcohol had no positive benefit whatsoever and am intending to fall spectacularly off the wagon this weekend (being safely ages away from O and the 2ww).

Oh ffs just wrote a post and lost it (or posted it elsewhere in which case MNers now think im weird)
Anyways hey to haycorn. What happened to our other newbies, did we scare them off? qazxc (is that the right letters on the keyboard??) and sloane come back!
Soph don't know how i gave you the impression it was my first OPK ever! It's just the first one this month. Last month my OPK's sneakily tricket me (getting darker, then light, then wham a positive out of nowhere) so I am keeping a very close eye on them this month so they can't play any tricks <eyes OPK stash suspiciously with one eyebrow raised>
Happy i'm in shagweek too! (Just what i've always wanted... a shagweek buddy!) This means we can TWW stress together (ie. I can pee on sticks every day and you can laugh at my stupidity to pass the time). Although we are at the in laws babysitting on Fri eve and that strikes Friday out (the 'babies' are big enough to hear activity through the walls. So i'm planning on jumping DH early Fri afternoon before we leave and first thing Sat morn when we get home!!!

Rache1S Wed 27-Feb-13 22:31:44

That'll be me then Pip. grin blush I have always been a chocolate fiend. And cake. And Haribo. In fact anything with more calories per 100g than stars in the universe and I'm on it and TTC was no exception and I also didn't cut down on booze at all. I firmly believe that filling your face with stuff you like is good for your mental well-being which in turn is a good place to be when TTC. smile

Oh and on CBFM I have no idea how they are different to an OPK except for giving you a pretty face and 'predicting your cycle' [ignoramus emoticon]. In which case, despite the fact I love spending money on sticks of any kind I woud say it sounds like a rip off to me. My OPK's are even cheaper than my preg tests (gotta love amazon cheapies) and seem to work very well... although do need to do it twice a day close to the time but think that's because I have a short surge

Boodle9 Wed 27-Feb-13 22:35:25

Barking - I am (was?) just like you on the 'needing to do something' side of things. I've chilled my beans a bit now, but last year was just madness: OPKs, CBFM, several different vitamin combinations, conceive plus, raspberry leaf tea, grapefruit juice, robitussin, shoulder stands...think I'm a bit of a control freak and TTC is just horrendous - no real control at all!

I'm planning alcohol this Friday - not much of a drinker but I'll be home alone so it'll be wine and TV! (The Last Leg as it so happens!) CAN'T WAIT!