Absent AF, screwed up ovulation, luteal phase defects? Sign in for the all new ttc while breastfeeding thread! BFPs guaranteed!

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MrsHuxtable Wed 20-Feb-13 23:28:46

As if ttc wasn't nerve wrecking enough, we like the extra challenge of getting that BFP while still breastfeeding a baby or toddler. While this isn't an easy endouvour, it certainly isn't impossible as many graduates on the previous threads prove.

I'm posting a link here for any newcomers about fertility while breastfeeding.

kellymom.com/bf/normal/fertility/

Am also wonderig if you'd like to have some sort of stats for the tread members. I'll just start myself.

MrsHuxtable, 29, ttc#2 from April, on pp cycle 4, luteal phase defect

stuffthenonsense Thu 21-Feb-13 14:09:29

Found you! I wanted to update you, despite feeding my 2 yr old and 11 month old. This morning produced a bfp. Stay positive! It can and does happen.

MrsHuxtable Thu 21-Feb-13 15:01:40

Oh, I'm so pleased for you! You seem to be doing conception and breastfeedig very well! grin

I've bee having a horrible week at work (hour cuts so I'm on the bare minimum now we can get away with) and I am totally disheartened with that crappy lutal phase of mine as I know that with a 5 day one, pregnancy is just not possible. DD has had her first fever and was perma-attchted to my boobs during the last week, so I suspect this cycle won't be any better. Pessimism all around. Need a kick up my bum to snap out of it.

Am considering night weaning DD in a couple of cycles now, the poor mite.

Jakeyblueblue Thu 21-Feb-13 16:49:21

Hi all!
Congrats nonsense! You are now officially our role model! Tandem feeding and preggers! Love it! All the best with everything smile
Mrs huxtable, thanks for restarting the thread. I hope it's lucky for us!
LP was actually 11 this cycle so the b6 is helping. I think 11 is sufficient so part of me was pleased but to be not Preg again has really p****d me off! Couldn't have done anything more this cycle! Very disappointing indeed. Can only carry on and hope for next cycle. sad we must try and keep positive, eventually the milk monsters will cut down so whatever happens, that elusive bfp is going to happen. I thought about night weaning many times but really don't want our bf to end with tears and upset. We've both loved it so much. And if I still don't get Preg then I'd of done it for nothing. I think I just have to adopt the what will be will be approach.

Jakeyblueblue - still bf ds1 (19 months), 1st pp AF may 2012. TTC no 2 ever since. Ovulating but LP only 10 - 12 days. Taking vitb6 100mg.

Jakeyblueblue Thu 21-Feb-13 16:50:45

Oh I'm 33 by the way smile

MrsHuxtable Thu 21-Feb-13 21:08:46

I know Jakey! I'm in 2 minds about night weaning but if I do, I'll do the Dr Jays Method, so shouldn't cause too much upset and it's only no feeding for 7 hours a night. So I would feed her first thing in the monrning, at bed time and then if she wakes before midnight. I'd then not feed her between midnight and 7 in the morning so it wouldn't be the end of breastfeeding for us. Ideally though my LP sorts itself out within the next 2 cycles and I fall pregnant first months of trying. Haha! Then DD can feed all she likes.

11 days LP sounds great btw!

Jakeyblueblue Thu 21-Feb-13 21:34:08

I've read that method and it does sound good but I still think ds would cry! He loves the boob! We also co sleep which I think complicates matters. Are you co sleeping? Tbh, I think I could have easily night weaned was the same age as your dd. they are less knowing then and more accepting. Give it a go! It will def help your LP u would think.
Hopefully we will both be up duffed in the next few cycles though and neither of us will need to wean!
Are we the only two peope in the world ttc whils bf? It's got very quiet on this thread! smile

MrsHuxtable Thu 21-Feb-13 21:54:17

Yes, we are co-sleeping too! Since I went back to work, DH has started settling DD for her naps and he does it beautifully. When she can't see me, she accepts there's no boob so maybe, if I have to wean, I might move to the spare bedroom for a while. Not sure yet. Hope it won't come to that.

I've got a bit of a new worry now. I mentioned upthread that my hours at work have been cut and I'm at risk to lose more, which I can't afford, so have applied for another job locally this morning. They phoned me tonight and want to interview me on Monday! Now, if I did get a job offer, I'd have to take it. Things at work have not been good for a while and the boss hates me so I'm constantly on edge. But then, imagine, I started a new job and was pregnant within 4 months or so!? Would they not think I was the biggest dick ever? I also had Hyperemesis in my last pregnancy and had to be signed off sick for a long time. Imagine that happening again, in a new job! Either way it's pants!

There are more people ttc while breastfeeding. 2 or 3 on another thread. More on others. I invited them over here. We'll see what happens.

BettyStogs Thu 21-Feb-13 22:17:56

Hi I'm here from the other thread, thanks for letting us know about this one.
I'm currently bf 17mo DS, down to about 3 feeds a day, and none at night generally. Just had implant out and waiting to see if af arrives as none when it was in, which is apparently normal, so really no idea what my cycle may be like now.

boombangcrash Fri 22-Feb-13 06:22:22

Thanks MrsHuxtable, currently bf 15 month old, still feeds at night and during the day ( but not co sleeping). Started TTC at the beginning of this month, no AF as of yet? Have had waves of nausea for the last few days but think is due to tiredness, DS teething and feeding like a trooper.

afterdinnerkiss Fri 22-Feb-13 07:47:10

hi i'm new on this thread, i was lurking on the last one a little as i am "waiting to ttc". DD is 1year old and i intend to be bf her until she is three, so i am expecting to tandem feed unless she rejects the breast once i am pregnant. We co-sleep and i still feed on demand a few times a day.

can i ask a silly newbie question : is it generally difficult to ttc whilst bf, even if your periods have returned and are regular? or is there an additional resistance from one's body?

my stats: afterdinnerkiss, 30, ttc #2 this summer, cycle regular 28 days
(sorry i don't know the abbreviations yet)

crazyhead Fri 22-Feb-13 09:14:03

Hi I'm 36 and just got a (happily) accidental, based-on-one-shag-only BFP while BF my 15 month old.

So clearly it can happen....

MrsHuxtable Fri 22-Feb-13 09:25:12

Hello to all the newcomers!
The link above gives some great information on fertility while breastfeeding.

Basically the 3 obstacles are:

1) not having periods yet (means no ovulation yet and only a tiny minority of women manage to catch that first egg)

2) having periods but not ovulating yet (the only way to know for sure is temping as OPK only show the hormone surge but not if you then go on to ovulate, breastfeeders can have surges because our body tries to release an egg but then there's too much prolaction in our body and it doesn't happen)

3) having periods and ovulating but after ovulation the luteal phase is too short to sustain a pregnancy (very common in breastfeeders, the consensus seems to be that you LP needs to be a minimum of 10 days to give the egg a chance to implant. If AF turns up earlier than that, it would just flush the egg out)

I'm having problem 3. AF has been back ever since DD was 9 months and I do ovulate but my LP is only 5 days. Pregnancy impossible for me at this stage.

There's things to do to try and rectify it but many come with risks.

Vit B6 --> possible drop in milk supply
Vitex --> ossible drop in milk supply
Raspberry Leaf Tea
Natural Progesterone Cream
Night weaning / weaning sad
Waiting for things to improve naturally

Anyway, I'm drinking the tea and taking the Vit B6 but only at a tiny dose of 50mg so maybe that's why it's not helped so far.

This thread has been running for years and when I first thought about ttc while breastfeeding, I started going through the old threads. There's so much helpful information on there.

Anyway, need to get ready for toddler group now and then work in the afternoon.

Looking forward to this becoming a very active group with loads of BFPs!!!

MrsHuxtable Fri 22-Feb-13 09:26:22

BTW, am very pleased to already see a second BFP on this thread! I certainly need the hope!

BettyStogs Fri 22-Feb-13 10:19:59

Thanks for the info MrsH, I must admit I didn't know much of that.

Congratulations crazy, good to know it can happen smile

afterdinnerkiss Fri 22-Feb-13 12:37:36

yes thank you Mrs H . Really didn't know any of that.

So it might not be so easy. confused Need to go look up the old threads!

boombangcrash Fri 22-Feb-13 19:41:51

Hooray and congratulations for the BFP's, just goes to show, it can happensmile .
Feeling hopeful and all the extra info is great( thanks MrsHuxtable). Large mug of raspberry tea coming up.......

I have read that having a 6 hour break between feeds and an occasional 8, can help? Has anyone had any success doing this. It could be a possibility for me as long as DS is not teething?

boombangcrash Fri 22-Feb-13 19:49:41

Forgot to add my stats:

boombangcrash 34, BF DS for 15 months, TTC #2 (actively!) for about a month, no sign of AF.

DogandBeth Sat 23-Feb-13 20:06:02

Hello could I join this thread too please? Have just started TTC#3 this month and am still bf dc2. Been trying to wean her off it for a while now but she's putting up a fight! Not tried to TTC while bf before. Good to hear that some others have been successful already. Not been very scientific about it this month but think I'm due around 6th march. This is my first period since I conceived dc2 though so I'm not really sure. Just keeping fingers crossed this month really. The info above was really useful, thanks Mrs h.

Lis999 Sat 23-Feb-13 21:46:16

Thanks for starting a new thread! My stats are: 33, 9 month old DD, TTC #2, 2nd cycle. I'm experiencing both delayed ovulation and a short LP, so it's not going so well so far! We cosleep and my DD nurses 1-2 times overnight so I'm sure that is at least part of the problem. Not ready to think about weaning yet... will work on it at the 12 month mark if need be.

CorporeSarnie Mon 25-Feb-13 11:59:11

Here you all are! I disappeared again and realised the old thread had filled up.
We have had a shocker of a week: DD has had rotavirus, which it turned out had decimated the baby room at her nursery. She was the sickest I've ever seen her, listless, tired, has lost loads of weight, the only thing she did want to do was bf! At one point my GP had me convinced that bfing was potentially upsetting her stomach, then I decided that if she wasn't taking on fluid via dioralyte or having much water we'd end up in hospital so ignored. I ended up with a bit of D for a few days too, which was nice sad.
Since she has stopped with the D&V, she has been feeding like a monster - I don't know if my supply dropped a bit and she's trying to increase it - but tantrums when removed from the boob after seemingly hours on there.
DH has taken to settling her in her room at night, which helps a bit. She came in with us & kept me awake from 3-5am last night not wanting to go back to sleep though...
Anyway, the last week has killed my temping/opk efforts off completely.
Still no sign of AF (think we're now at CD41 confused), no idea whether I have ovd this cycle or not!

So: CorporeSarnie, 36, TTC #2, 1st cycle, cycle has yet to settle down, DD is 16mo.

Lis999 Mon 25-Feb-13 22:00:41

CorporeSarnie that sounds just awful! Your poor DD and poor you! I hope everything gets back to normal soon.

Lis999 Tue 26-Feb-13 14:48:39

It's funny how many people assume that once your periods return when you are BFing, you are immediately at high risk for pregnancy. Clearly that is NOT the case for everyone!

MrsHuxtable Thu 28-Feb-13 13:23:59

Hello everyone,
it's been a bit quiet recently. I couldn't get myself to post the last few days as I've just generally been so pissed off with my situation. I was going to give myself a break this cycle from tracking my luteal phase but having noticed ewcm yesterday and today, I couldn't stop myself (surprise) and got a + on the clear blue digital today. Because this is the first test I took this cycle, I don't know if it was already + yesterday but for a conservative estimate, I'll go with today which is CD 14. Last cycle I got the + on CD 18. So while this looks like an improvement, it remains to be seen when AF turns up. How ridiculous would it be if my LP was still only 5 days? I'd then suddenly be down to a 20 day cycle. I don't even want to contemplate that.

Any news anyone?

boombang yes, stretching out feeds, mixing up your feeding pattern and night weaning can all help to bring back fertility while breastfeeding. I guess you just have if some of that works for you.

My AF came back when DD was 9 months without me having to do anything and funnily my friend's arrived at the same time (same age baby). The difference was that she had been ttc since her DC was born pretty much so had already night weaned etc to encourage fertility. So it really seems to be a very individual thing, like everyone has a different feeding threshold.

BettyStogs Thu 28-Feb-13 15:31:52

Hi all, still waiting for AF, been a month since implant removed so hopefully any time now. Had a few spots (as in facial spots) this week, so looks like something hormonal might be happening or maybe I'm clutching at straws!

DS still on 3 feeds a day when I'm at work which is 4 days a week, on my days off I'm trying to persuade him to have cows milk in a cup some of the time,instead of bf, with mixed results, I don't want to refuse bf completely but sometimes he is happy with a cup.

Fingers crossed for you MrsH that AF stays away.

Jakeyblueblue Thu 28-Feb-13 15:57:48

Hi all new and old,
Boo to the rotavirus sarnie! Sounds horrendous, hopefully you are all on the mend.
I've been feeling the same mrsH. So much so I haven't taken any b6 or Preg vits yet since AF. Have been trying to forget about it. Having said though, cd8 today so have restarted and am on the look out for ewcm.. Considered having a break this cycle but can't afford to.
I totally agree that people have no idea about the link between infertility and bf and assume its easy once periods return. No such luck. sad
I think we need to get a bit of positivity back ladies. Not sure how though?? confused

Lis999 Thu 28-Feb-13 16:18:13

MrsHuxtable are you temping to confirm ovulation? I had a positive digi OPK on CD 11 (early for me) this cycle but didn't end up O'ing. Now on CD 20 with no sign of O.

CorporeSarnie Fri 01-Mar-13 09:46:48

Hi all, and thanks for the well-wishes. Babysarnie now much recovered, barely looked up from her Duplo when left at nursery this morning.
AF finally showed up sometime yesterday afternoon (thank God it was light - I have become so unused to AF and obv so unpredictable that I am back to the standards of a surprised 13-yo!). So only a 46day cycle to deal with and no idea of ovulation, but I will try and be positive that we can do this.
On a semi-related note, does anyone else find that bfing is more painful during AF? I don't usually have problems, but my nipples seem really sensitive at the moment!

snoozed Fri 01-Mar-13 19:37:27

Hello all, may I join?

Still waiting for af's return, it's starting to take over my life get to me a little bit.

Stopped night feeds using dr jays method - worked v well- and also been taking agnus castus for a month.

29, dd, 13 months, ttc#2

snoozed Fri 01-Mar-13 19:38:58

Btw, agnus castus has had no effect on milk supply (think someone asked up thread)

Hello! Would love to join!

I have 3 DC and we want to have 4. I have been breastfeeding since DD1 (6.5) was born and my youngest is nearly two years old. In that time, whilst breastfeeding, I've conceived four times - a 9 week loss, DD2, DS and a chemical. So I hope that gives some people some hope!

AF came back at 9 months this time out (14 months/9 months with my other two) and the first one or two were always a bit rocky. But they settle into a semi-regular state - ovulating anywhere between CD14 and CD24 depending on what supplements I'm trying that cycle wink My luteal phase is short - 9 days without supplements, 11 days with. Worse, I spot from around four days before AF arrives (with bad cramps before that), and even have some mid-cycle spotting.

I chart, including temperature taking, and POAS about a million times a cycle whether it's OPKs or HPTs.. always cheapies though as sadly we are no millionaires!

I have been lucky enough to conceive all the other times within a few cycles, but something has gone wrong this time out and it's been nearly a year sad - this was not the plan. Normally I have pregnancy drama/loss, not failure to conceive. I'm suspecting endometriosis or adhesions and just started the process of hopefully getting a diagnosis.

I refuse to believe it's the breastfeeding given my previous track record of conceptions and babies, but I bet doctors will ask me to wean. I won't. Not until the DCs (yes, as well as the almost 2 year old, I'm still feeding my 4 year old just before her bedtime each day for a minute or so blush - she WILL NOT give it up for anything in the world!!) want to.

Here's what I take:

Vit B6 I've been taking since 2005 and I've had no problems breastfeeding so I guess it doesn't affect that. I need it for my luteal phase.

Agnus Castus never affected my milk either, but does increase my spotting and make my ovulation later - however I did conceive all my other children with it.

Raspberry leaf tea (H&B capsules too) I think increases my spotting too but I haven't got enough data to go on really. It did nothing for my luteal phase though.

Maca (powder - a heaped teaspoon a day) was great and I am sure was responsible for bringing my ovulation forward to CD16 and giving me nice smooth temps as well. I am on a break from it at the moment as apparently you need to every three months. I can highly recommend it though - I get mine from Amazon usually. Red maca seems to work better apparently..

What else? Calcium/Magnesium/Zinc tablets - they can help with supply during AF which I really noticed a difference when I used to pump at work waaaay back when with DD1 before she turned 12 months.

Lots of luck to all of you - I look forward to hearing about those BFPs!!

Jakeyblueblue Sat 02-Mar-13 12:17:12

Welcome to the madhouse snoozed and WOW murder!! What an expert and a most useful person to have around!
Your post gave me some hope as your cycle sounds very similar, although I don't spot at all. I'm also still feeding a similar aged child. Did you concieve any of your pregnancies with the 9 - 11 day luteal phase? Mine is 10 without the b6 and 11 with it. Have been putting my problems down to that?? Although it did take quite a while to concieve ds so it may be nothing to do with the bf and another problem. Desperately hoping not as whilst I'm bf there's something to blame for it and it makes me feel a bit better.
I was pretty ok about this all until a couple of cycles ago, just thought what will be will be, but its starting to get me down a bit now. Someone left for mat leave at my work yesterday and I felt I didn't really want to go in and watch her opening all her presents!! Need to get a grip as some people aren't even lucky enough to have one dc.
I've gone back on the b6 a couple of days ago and started dtd a couple of times a week just in case. Cd 10 here so should start seeing some signs in the next week or so.
I'm going to have a google about some of those other supplements you mentioned. Sound promising.
How's everyone else getting on?

WinterMymble Sat 02-Mar-13 22:14:51

Hi all! I'm not technically ttc yet but am trying to find out about things since may want to - am ebf beautiful dc1 (a girl nearly 6 mths) and plan to bf at least two years - no sign of AF - and I am 40 so wd be 42 by the time two years was up - so IF we did decide to go for a sequel then wd be tricky to wait that long to start ttc....

Conceived dd on first month trying, aged 39, but don't know how fertile I am really - never tried before that!

So anyway v interested in this whole discussion and I hope you all have glorious bfps soon!

AlexanderinaTheGreater Sun 03-Mar-13 14:34:22

Afternoon! Can I join you all?

I'm on cycle 3 of ttc number 2 whilst still bf my 18 month old at bedtime (and occasionally during the night if she's inconsolable with teeth, but that's now rare). My LP was short last time (started off at 7/8 days, managed to get it up to 9/10), so I'm kind of expecting it to be not great now. Last cycle was completely up the spout due to us all having every bug going, but if I did ovulate my LP was 3 days shock. I'm past that already this cycle, which gives me hope it's not going to be THAT ridiculous, but still.

I took B6 last time, haven't gone back to it yet. I'm hoping it'll all be a bit quicker this time (took a year with the small person, which I know isn't really all that long in the grand scheme of things but felt it). I'm determined to be a lot more chilled out this time, but we'll see how that goes.

Anyway, it's nice to make your acquaintances.

Lis999 Mon 04-Mar-13 19:52:35

Well I got my second positive OPK of this cycle this morning - CD24. We will see if I actually O. Last cycle I had four positive OPKs before finally O'ing on CD 46. So I take the smiley with a grain of salt! How is everyone else doing?

Jakeyblueblue Mon 04-Mar-13 22:08:47

I'm on cd 12 and I've got loads of ewcm. Unusual for this early on. Hoping I ov in the next few days and don't have a long cycle for once. Fingers crossed. Told dh his luck is in tonight! We can but try! smile

snoozed Tue 05-Mar-13 14:57:59

That sounds promising jakey!
was surprised to find ewcm yesterday - hopefully a sign that things are happening and can start ttc in earnest.

dp is away at the moment sadly so couldnt dtd in case i ov'd..

dd has her molars coming through and has been up all hours - have resorted to feeding at night a bit again as she is very miserable.

boombangcrash Tue 05-Mar-13 20:19:52

Hello all, since posting on this thread DS has morphed into a newborn and is feeding every hour!!! Have been feeling so sick, which I took as a positive sign, but three tests later realise that it is only wishful thinking. It must be hormones and fatigueconfused.
So much for the gaps.....Am trying not to get to obsessed with ttc, but it is slowly starting to consume me. Still no sign of AF whatsoever and have given up charting temp as I haven't managed more than 2 hours between feeds at night for the past 10 days. Feel like the whole world is pregnant envy.
Good luck to everyone, don't think things will be happening for me any time soon sad.

jakeyblueblue - yep, all mine conceived with a 9-11 day LP - even my first! And heaps of spotting. It can be done!! But I do wonder if it makes it harder.. I mean, what if the egg sits on a bit that sheds?

I'm CD24 (2dpo, late month this one) but sitting this cycle out for the first time since we started TTC again as we're going skiing in early April. Not that I think we'd get lucky, but it would be law of sod. I feel sick enough in the gondolas anyway without morning sickness getting involved!

boombangcrash - I've been the same. Trying hard not to get obsessed too, but I have to admit when the pre-September 2013 due date came and went I got very upset as I wanted my children all two school years apart. Seems so trivial, but for me it just means another year until I can go back to work when the youngest starts school sad

Lis999 - I never get positive OPKs on the smiley face digitals, just on the paper strips! Just shows how we all produce different amounts of LH. But I know I am ovulating - temperatures confirm it plus I've had progesterone tests and today I had an ultrasound which showed I had ovulated. Hope this is it for you!

AlexanderinaTheGreater Thu 07-Mar-13 09:03:31

9dpo and temp dropped this morning. Arse. Looks like I need to go back on the B6. What dose do you all take? And is it one you take all cycle? (I think it was agnus castus that I was just taking pre-ov last time but may be confused).

I'd forgotten how mental-making the waiting is, trying to balance hope with realistic expectation. Only this time with sleep deprivation on top - joy.

I take 100mg but 50mg is apparently what you should be trying as a minimum.

I took Agnus Castus all cycle long - I don't think it helped with my luteal phase necessarily but it does apparently reduce prolactin. Don't quote me on that, I just read it somewhere else and haven't researched it myself yet.

Nearly a year after starting TTC our last and my mental state is a complete disaster after the rollercoaster each month sad

BettyStogs Thu 07-Mar-13 21:48:11

Hello all, just checking in, nothing new to report.

Also wanted to ask, with the supplements some of you are taking, are they to extend luteal phase, or generally helpful? I'm taking pregnacare conception which has B6, but wondering if its worth taking anything else to get cycle kick started as still no sign of AF.

Jakeyblueblue Thu 07-Mar-13 22:17:24

Hi all, cd 16 today and think today's the day. Have already dtd this am but have just had some ov pains so may try talk the old man into another go tonight!
I take 100 mg b6 after initially taking 50mg and LP stayed the same so I upped it and gained an extra day. 50mg is the dose recommended to start from. I think it could help in general as it reduces prolactin, which inhibits progesterone and we need progesterone for AF.
Mental making! Love that description!

snoozed Fri 08-Mar-13 08:28:41

Betty - agnus castus is meant to regulate hormones and suppress prolactin, helping to start af when bfing.

Been taking it for about a month, in the last week it feels like things are starting to happen - hopeful that af will come soon.

Mental making indeed!

BettyStogs Fri 08-Mar-13 12:18:51

Thank you will try & get hold of some.

snoozed Fri 08-Mar-13 12:21:29

They sell it in Holland & Barrett

Lis999 Sun 10-Mar-13 15:04:08

Well it looks like I O'd earlier this time! CD 25, which is a vast improvement over CD 46. Now I am hoping for a longer LP. Last month it was only 7-8 days. sad

Jakeyblueblue Mon 11-Mar-13 04:55:03

I still haven't ov'd!!!! Cd19 and still got ewcm. Had it for over a week. Obviously my body is trying but getting delayed by the constant milk guzzling. Nipples now mega sore so am hoping this is it in the next day or so. Totally bored of dtd now. Totally bored of the whole thing. Why can't we just take a tablet??? confused

TheThickPlottens Tue 12-Mar-13 10:57:47

Hello. I'm falling into the no AF group. Breast feeding 14 month old 5 times during the day and 5 times a night. We cosleep so it's an open bar. I am planning on night weaning her over the Easter break.

I started TTC in feb and now I'm imagining that I've got symptoms all the freaking time.

I'm 35 and have 2 dds. Dd2 was conceived without ever getting AF back. But I had night weaned. No periods for 4 years! That bit, I love.

I got a BFN on Saturday. I had felt over tired, dizzy and nauseous on Friday.

Now I've minor nausea and a pain in my groin like PGP. I think I'm going mad. There's a clear blue digital in the cupboard that I haven't used yet. I'm all out of cheapies until the weekend shopping trip. Should I try that one or wait a while longer?

Lis999 Wed 13-Mar-13 08:12:37

Ugh AF came today. That was a 7 day LP. So frustrating!

DogandBeth Wed 13-Mar-13 13:33:02

Hi all I'm out for this month- AF has just arrived. sad Had the longest cycle I've ever hd in my life this time- 41 days- longest I've ever had before as far as I can recall is 34 days- so I was a week late in theory which has never happened before when I've not been pg. Do you think this is Bfing messing around with my hormones? Have just started going cold turkey with DD at night so she's just having 1 or 2 feeds in the evening now and I'm working towards stopping completely so hopefully next month will be a bit more fertile.
Lis999 sorry to hear the witch got you too

Reb18 Wed 13-Mar-13 20:36:43

Hi all,

I'm currently bfing my 8 month old about 5 times a day and want to ttc June time, came off mini pill about 5 weeks ago, had a bleed 10 days after which I really thought was af, felt like it! So started opks only amazon cheapies, no positive but wanted to dtd around ov time, was due af last friday, had all the symptoms from thursday to sunday and nothing!

Going to get some agnus cactus this week...

Also Im curious why you all need to nigh tfeed so much? I havent needed to since weaning, wondered if Im missing something?! xxx

Jakeyblueblue Thu 14-Mar-13 05:00:43

Sorry about AF and the rubbish LP lis and dog, ever hopeful for next month!!
Reb welcome and don't worry, you're not missing anything, sounds like you're just one if the lucky ones! I've always bf on demand and still do now even at 20 months. It's quite simply that he still asks for it. Much less now though. Think its quite normal, in some parts of the world they feed during the night well into toddlerhood. If your lucky enough to have one that doesn't then good for you. Ttc will hopefully be easier for you as its def the night feeds that really balls up the hormones. Yes, I guess I could night wean but I'm not sure how well weaning ds before he's ready, for the benefit of a child that's not even here, sits with me. Personal choice. Also, as frustrating as it is, natural child spacing and absent AF when bf is there for a biological reason, and that's to give our bodies a break between pregs and allow us to finish nurturing the bf child. If its not happening then its prob for good reason. Bloody annoying though!!!!
I finally ov'd on Sunday so 4dpo for me. Won't be Preg, coz I never am so trying to not even think about it. ;)

TheThickPlottens Thu 14-Mar-13 11:04:25

Sorry to hear of your AFs coming.

I did the clear blue digital test and it was a resounding 'Not Pregnant'. I must have a tummy bug as still feel nauseous every now and then.

I'm the same as Jake, just feeding on demand. But I'm choosing to nightwean soon as I'm shattered and want to have a 3, maybe even 4 hours of continuous sleep. It went well with dd1 so worth a shot. If it upsets her too much, then we'll go back to what we're presently doing.

Reb I'm so envious of your sleeper.

Reb18 Thu 14-Mar-13 21:07:10

well for six months I didnt get more than 3 hrs in one go, two flukes of 5.5hrs in a travel cot!

Once weaning was established I knew she couldnt be hungry, I would feed her just to get her off again and shed be asleep within 30 seconds! So two nights of cc and dummy ditched (i know not for everyone but something had to change) and she's a 12hr a night now. I know Im lucky it didnt take much but totally worth it, would never have done it pre weaning as its not advised with bf as you dont know if they might be hungry. It was surprisingly easy when I knew nothing was wrong, made me much stronger!

So much to benefit as now I dont need to nap when she naps as Im rested so I get my jobs done when she sleeps and can be with her every other second smile

OhdearIquit Thu 14-Mar-13 21:26:42

Just because babies have been weaned onto solids doesn't mean they can't be hungry at night. Appetite changes with growth spurts, you know, and they keep happening even after 6 months.

Sorry to bud in but could not not comment on such a misinformed post. Maybe Reb's baby wasn't hungry anymore at night but most babies still are, as any reputable pediatrician will tell you. In fact, hunger at night is normal until they're 1. After that it can be a comfort thing or genuine hunger, or thirst.

Anyway, I would think that most long time breastfeeders on here are quite attachment parenty and therefor cc would never be an option.

<budding out again>

Hi, can I join? DD is 13.5 mo and I think we're going to start TTC #2 after next af - think I'm due in about a week. Still bf 2x a day, morning & before afternoon nap. Not been bedtime/night feeding for just over a month, nighttimes when I realised she was no longer settling & I was having to wake DP to settle her. Am hoping that means I'm ovulating! Am 39 so am feeling time may not be on my side...

snoozed Sun 17-Mar-13 19:42:39

Sorry about the bfn ThickPlottens..

And fingers crossed for you Jakey this month.

Still no sodding af- frustrating - feel like it's coming then nothing happens. Also past few nights dd in a lot of pain with teeth so she's been feeding constantly throughout the night - so this can't help surely and must have set things back somewhat.

FriggFRIGG Sun 17-Mar-13 19:55:52

<pokes head round door>

Hello <waves>

I'm BFing DS 2.6yrs and TTC no3.
We conceived DS the week after I stopped BFing DD,
I hadn't even had an AF visit yet shock so I'm hoping it won't be too difficult to TTC another whilst BFing as DS isn't really ready to give it up yet!

My cycle is all over the place,and I've only just had my copper coil removed,but I'm still hopeful and ever so slightly terrified for a BFP soon grin

Good luck to everyone for this month,and for fast approaching April!

Jakeyblueblue Mon 18-Mar-13 17:35:32

Welcome to the madhouse frigg!
8dpo here. No symptoms. Got a spot on my chin so am thinking AF is probably en route. Trying not to think about it too much. Have got no hpts so can't do any silly attempts to poas too early. Not going to test until sat unless AF shows its ugly face before. My bets on Thursday 11dpo. God I'm a beacon of positivity this month. [laugh]

Jakeyblueblue Mon 18-Mar-13 17:36:19

grin even.

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 18-Mar-13 18:05:18

Ohhhh and we have another just done this morning positive line whilst breast feeding.

Obviously not at the same time as peeing in the cup. Line only faint but repeated 19 tests all the same result and I'm older as well.

FriggFRIGG Mon 18-Mar-13 20:29:01

Sock did I read that right? Have you a BFP?!

FriggFRIGG Mon 18-Mar-13 20:30:23

Thanks for the welcome Jakey!
I didn't understand half your post though blush

<wanders off to brush up on her acronyms>

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 18-Mar-13 20:36:23

I have no idea what bfp stands for but if its a positive pregnancy test then yes.

It was very faint but showed up on all 19 sticks I peed on.

I'm quite impressed seen as I've only had sex once in the last year and I'm still bf my 1 year old.

FriggFRIGG Mon 18-Mar-13 20:57:27

Big Fat Positive!!

And a line is a line! However faint!

Congratulations thanks

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 18-Mar-13 20:59:49

Thank you. I'm going to do another one or two first thing in the morning just incase weird stuff like the 3 large bars of dark chocolate I ate at lunch time have caused a strange currently unknown effect of pee sticks grin

Jakeyblueblue Mon 18-Mar-13 21:09:28

Congrats sock! Hope for us all!
Frigg sorry about the acronyms. Shows how long I've been in this bloody thread!!! Am an old pro at this now. So for all the newbies.
Bfp - big fat positive
Bfn- big fat negative
AF - period.
Poas - pee on a stick.
Opk - ovulation predictor kit.
Hpt - home pregnancy test.
9dpo - 9 days past ovulation.
Dtd - doing the deed.
Think that covers everything you see crop up grin

FriggFRIGG Mon 18-Mar-13 21:16:20

grin

Aha!
Thanks,everything has become clear now,Well except OPK's I had no idea they made those!

<adds to shopping list>

Let me know if the chocolate made a difference on those 19 pee sticks Sock I reckon it'd have to go in a scientific journal or summat wink

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 18-Mar-13 22:02:41

Lets see if I'm working out this techie stuff correctly according to my iPad period tracker app the first day of my last period AF was 18/2/13 it pinpoints my ovulation (it also showed up on a different type of pee stick at the same time as the app said) as being the 4/3/13

I dtd on 2/3/13 ('twas late at night so could have been the 3/3/13
Chocolate was also involved) And got a bfp today which I believe is 18/3/13 that is 2 days before my AF is actually due.

I'm rather impressed that tests can pick it up so early when I had my first child hpt were not reliable until you had already missed a period by about 2 weeks. So am I correct in thinking that's 14 days past ovulation but 16 days past actual conception?

FriggFRIGG Mon 18-Mar-13 22:12:42

Goodness knows...with DD I knew I was pregnant waaaay before any tests could tell me,no idea how,just did.
With DS,I didn't notice at all....I was having lunch with a friend just after we'd been food shopping,and I mentioned I'd gone off coffee and was feeling a bit queasy lately,she whipped out a HPT from her bag and sent me off to the loo....I came back looking like a ghost!
Turned out I was 13 weeks pregnant at that point!! shock

So this is all new to me,My mind is boggling at it all!

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 18-Mar-13 22:23:04

I have a friend who had no idea she was pregnant until she was 18 weeks she was trying as well.

I've had a ectopic before so have always had to get things checked out ASAP and years ago I can remember being sent to hospital to have a HCg blood test done when ever I was 2/3 days late as hpt tests wouldn't pick it up.

I've just been googling random rubbish about false positives just to keep me calm and not so excited just incase and have discovered that false positives are very rare but something called a evaporation line is not.

Now I read every test within the time period specified on packet and all lines had definite blue in them and were the same size as the test completion line but were just really faint lines, that's positive not evaporation lines isant it [stramge hope emocon]

Lis999 Mon 18-Mar-13 23:06:00

Sounds positive to me, Sock! Congrats!!!

FriggFRIGG Mon 18-Mar-13 23:25:37

I would be very surprised if 19 tests were all wrong!!

You sound upduffed to me wink

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 19-Mar-13 10:35:37

Peed on a digital stick this morning yep I'm upduffed grin

TheThickPlottens Tue 19-Mar-13 10:44:10

WooHoo for you Sock. How very exciting. So that's 20 tests. And I thought I was being cautious buying 6 on the weekend.

My faint line is 14 months old now.
Congrats!

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 19-Mar-13 10:46:36

I've got loads left if anyone want me to post them to you.somehow I reckon I can stop peeing on things now.

Jakeyblueblue Tue 19-Mar-13 12:48:10

Official Congrats sock! And hurray for the 20 tests.

Excuse my language but total f******g disaster my end. Spotting today at 9dpo. Didn't even make 10. So pissed with this right now. sad

snoozed Tue 19-Mar-13 18:56:55

Congratulations Sock, that's very encouraging!

Jakey.. Sorry this month hasn't been a good one for you. Me neither. Soon be April though which will hopefully be better.

Lis999 Tue 19-Mar-13 19:59:46

Ugh I'm sorry Jakey. Is 9 a longer LP for you than last cycle?

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 19-Mar-13 20:09:34

I'm sorry jakey. But on the upside you can have much more sex.

Are you dtd just before ovulation as opposed to during?

Jakeyblueblue Tue 19-Mar-13 22:20:13

No 9 day LP is even shorter than usual! Hence the disaster! Usually 10 minimal. God knows what my ridiculous hormones are playing at this cycle.
Dtd the daily from about cd10 to after I am sure I've ovd, usually around day 21. Not sure i could have done anymore. So bloody frustrating.

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 19-Mar-13 22:21:48

Are you doing ovulation testing with tests and or temp ect?

Jakeyblueblue Wed 20-Mar-13 21:30:14

No neither, don't get enough unbroken sleep to temp. (Co sleeping) and have had loads of false positives with the opk's so quit them too. Know when I'm ovulating though as have ov pain and a pretty obvious cm pattern too. Fed up with it all!

AlexanderinaTheGreater Thu 21-Mar-13 20:21:07

Jakey that's rubbish. Here's hoping it's a one off dodgy cycle.

Apologies for asking a question and then disappearing - real life and an ill small person intervened. I've found my B6 from last time and it's 100mg tablets, so that's what I'm taking. Temps are all over the shop this month, which is probably partly disturbed sleep (although I can usually still get a clear pattern even with odd days being miles out) but may be my body playing up again. Still, we shag onwards.... Well, if we can find any energy. I do like it when temps work because then I know when to stop.

Congrats socks, it's good to know it can happen.

OK, nosy question (with no judgement at all implied, I really am just nosy), are you folks working/at home/on mat leave/anything else I've not thought of? I'm back at work full time after loving having a year off with the small person. It was the right decision for various reasons, but still feels like an endless juggling act. Anyone else feel like a circus performer?

Jakeyblueblue Thu 21-Mar-13 23:33:31

I work part time alexanderina. But I'm a Macmillan nurse specialist so it can be tough going. The peoblem is that you cant leave stuff til the next time you are in so i end up doing no end of work from home in my own time. used to stay late alot before ds was born but cant do that now. i know exactly how you feel about being a juggler! i regularly have to try and write my notes with ds hanging off the boob and try to eat my tea at the same time grin
Then on top of being a working mummy, we've got to find time to keep shagging! Wish we could just take a pill!
My lovely but very annoying pregnant friend, fell pregnant whilst bf, on the first attempt and with only having one tube, was trying to make me feel better about the whole thing and told me to be pleased about the bfn as it meant I could keep having lots of sex and that's the enjoyable bit!!! I doubt she would find it so enjoyable doing it every day for weeks coz ovulation is delayed and also in total silence so you don't wake the co sleeping milk monster!!! Grrrrrr!!

BettyStogs Fri 22-Mar-13 10:04:39

Congratulations sock!

Alexanderina, I work 4 days a week, and yes is a struggle to get everything done and then have the time or energy to dtd. I've had all this week off work, and DS is in nursery today so having a day to myself for the first time in 18 months or so. Been so long that I don't really know what to do with myself!

TheThickChickPlottens Fri 22-Mar-13 11:02:36

I'm a sahm or as a sham as my autocorrect tells me. I don't feel like a juggler but just that I get nothing done and no time off.

Haven't had a shag in over a week. Too tired when we get the dcs to bed.

Hope you had a fun day Betty.

FriggFRIGG Fri 22-Mar-13 11:05:46

I only work weekends,and spend the rest of the time looking after DS and getting DD to and from school (an hours round trip walking) DP is brilliant and does more than his share of housework...I don't know WTH I'd do if he didn't!
DP is a chef so works crazy hours some weeks,he also has IBS,so doesn't often feel like DTD (tmi?) as he's either knackerd or bloated or both...

I'm not feeling particularly optimistic today...

AlexanderinaTheGreater Fri 22-Mar-13 13:16:37

I hadn't thought through the logistics of shagging while cosleeping - I'm impressed you manage that at all Jakey! (We tend to cosleep the second half of the night if at all because I'm too lazy/knackered to get her back to sleep any other way). It would be lovely if lots of sex due to ttc was enjoyable all round, but sadly that seems to rarely be the case. Mind you, in our case if we weren't ttc we probably wouldn't bother at all we're that tired. Temp was up this morning so that might be it for this month.

ThickChick I'd have words with your autocorrect! I think it's the no time off thing that makes me glad I work some of the time - in future (and especially if we have number 2) I'd like to go part time, but I think having a bit of space from the small person is good for my sanity. I don't think there's any easy way of doing this motherhood thing, although I wouldn't change it for the world.

Lis999 Fri 22-Mar-13 20:53:38

I work part time (3 days a week) as a lawyer. It's a good schedule for me and I usually don't feel too stressed. I'm very lucky!!!

We are going to try having DH sleep with DD tonight (usually I cosleep with her) to see if we can night wean. She has slept straight through with no nursing a couple nights this week so we think she might be ready. Wish us luck!

Reb18 Sat 23-Mar-13 13:26:22

well a quick update from me,af finally arrived a week late but thankfully was just as short as before being pregnant and today is day 10 and ive just got a faint line on my cheapy opk so i think everything is ok at the moment! Just on my phone now so will catch up on the laptop later smile xx

AlexanderinaTheGreater Sun 24-Mar-13 13:50:28

How did it go Lis?

And glad all seems to be OK Reb.

My temps are all over the place still <sigh>. I should probably fish out the OPKs and see what's going on that way, but it's all just a bit much like effort. I thought I'd got the shagging well timed this month too, but it seems maybe not. Gah.

Lis999 Sun 24-Mar-13 21:53:59

We ended up not trying because she started teething like crazy and nursing like a maniac! Oh well!

polarbear78 Mon 25-Mar-13 18:06:28

hi ladies,

My dd is 2 next week and no sign of periods yet. I am a little older than some of you.

Is there anything I could take that might encourage ov and or periods?

thank you

TheThickChickPlottens Mon 25-Mar-13 18:24:13

Hello polar

Between dd1 and dd2, I took an iron supplement, floradix I think. And nightweaned at the same time. One or the other brought back ovulation.

AlexanderinaTheGreater Wed 27-Mar-13 09:00:17

Pesky teeth Lis - hope they come through quickly.

Hi polarbear. I have no advice I'm afraid (my periods came back when the small person was 11 months) but wanted to welcome you. It seems ridiculous to be wanting periods back when one of the great things about pregnancy and bf is not having them - if only our bodies would do what we want when we want.... (ie start ovulating just as we want to ttc and then conceive straight away. It's the lack of this happening that's ridiculous, rather than you wanting periods, in case that wasn't clear - I don't generally go round insulting people I've only just met!).

Actually I think I made all that a whole lot less clear - can you tell we didn't have a good night?!

AlexanderinaTheGreater Sat 30-Mar-13 19:46:45

Well, I thought this month was going to be a write-off cos my temps have been all over the place and I ran out of energy for shagging. Fertility friend has cruelly got my hopes up by declaring it can detect ovulation, and on the day after our last shag. So rather than resigning myself to it and awaiting my period, I now have a glimmer of (no doubt misplaced) hope and so can continue to go quietly mad as usual. Joy.

On the other hand I got cuddles with a 4-day old yesterday who is absolutely gorgeous. I can't remember what on earth to do with them at that size though.

HotCrossFRIGG Sat 30-Mar-13 22:02:31

<waves>

Weeell,we stopped TTC after 3 umm... attempts ...because I lost my job.
And ever since I've been peeing for England,my coffee tastes like a farmyard and AF hasn't shown up yet...

How long should you wait before taking a test,if you know when you DTD but not when your period was?

AlexanderinaTheGreater Sun 31-Mar-13 14:59:29

Depends how long you can hold out! I'd've thought that assuming you'd've had to've ovulated somewhere around the date of the deed to be pregnant, 14 days after would be sensible. Whether you're feeling that sensible is another question - you might well get a BFP earlier than that.

<fingers crossed>

AlexanderinaTheGreater Sun 31-Mar-13 15:37:12

Sorry to hear about the job by the way - that sucks. I'm crossing my fingers that the result is the right one for you.

Jakeyblueblue Tue 02-Apr-13 14:28:44

Hi everyone, how's things? Any news hot cross?
I haven't even counted days this month, nor have I took my b6 properly. Have got a bit lax to be honest! Think I'm about cd 14 and had some ewcm yesterday so have just been trying to dtd every other day. Have become totally defeatist about it all and even packed some of ds baby stuff away this morning. Had left some bits out of the loft just in case but its not looking very hopeful in the near future!!

agendabender Tue 02-Apr-13 18:22:29

Hello, just found this thread and it's a revelation to me! It hadn't really occurred to me that breastfeeding my two-and-a-half year old would make any difference. We're just experimentally going without contraception this month, but thanks for suggesting kellymom.

Jakeyblueblue Tue 02-Apr-13 23:34:00

It may not agenda! Fingers crossed you are one of the lucky ones! smile

AlexanderinaTheGreater Wed 03-Apr-13 13:29:10

Hi agendabender, I'm with Jakey on hoping you'll be fine, but do stay and chat in the meantime.

I on the other hand am failing miserably at not being mental about the whole thing. Having grasped a tiny shred of hope for this cycle I'm now imagining symptoms (full/tender boobs and knackeredness --which is clearly nothing to do with having an awful night's sleep with the small person--) and wondering how early I can POAS despite being totally against early testing (on the basis that if it's not going to stick I don't want to know about it). Someone slap me with something to knock some sense into me!

AlexanderinaTheGreater Wed 03-Apr-13 13:29:48

Hmmm, forgot I had to strikethrough each word, but you get the idea.

Lis999 Thu 04-Apr-13 15:48:57

Well I'm in the TWW again! I am 3 DPO today. I have taken B6 (50 mg) religiously this cycle so we will see if it makes any difference.

AlexanderinaTheGreater Thu 04-Apr-13 22:41:54

Ooooh, come and be mental in a corner with me then. I've made it to 9dpo which looks like I'll at least have a longer LP than last month so that's good. I am however still going quietly crazy - I'd forgotten just how mad this all drove me last time, and convinced myself I'd be a whole lot saner this time. As it is I'm just tireder....

Have you gone back to try the night weaning again or are you leaving it for now?

HotCrossFRIGG have you POAS yet?

Lis999 Fri 05-Apr-13 03:59:09

9 DPO is great! Are you taking anything to lengthen your LP or is it naturally getting longer?

I haven't tried to night wean, but she has been waking up less often (knock wood) so that has been nice.

AlexanderinaTheGreater Fri 05-Apr-13 09:06:14

Yay, go miniLis on the waking less often.

I'm on 100mg B6 (because that was the dose I had in the drawer) so it could well be that working. 10dpo and temp still up this morning.

Jakeyblueblue Fri 05-Apr-13 19:11:12

Wow Alexandra! 9dpo is awesome! Looking promising. Theoretically you could poas now??
I've had some good news today too, official changes to my terms and conditions have been released and there are no changes to my current mat entitlement!!! I am over the moon and at least it means the pressure is off. Don't have to be Preg by October now! So I will def not be weaning and will let ds wean himself. If it takes ages to get Preg as a result then so be it. Will keep trying though and what will be will be.
Cd 18 here. Ewcm a plenty and one sore nip. Should be in next few days for me.

Reb18 Fri 05-Apr-13 21:26:42

hi ladies,

sorry ive been awol had a nightmare straight after my last post saying all seemed ok, we dtd on the saturday night, condom split so i had to have the map on sunday, was due to ovulate monday so couldnt risk it and just gutted i had to stop ovulation so will be all over the place.

i had a bleed for two days nearly two wks later so still dont know if that was a period.

btw im not bk to work until july so if i got pg now i wouldnt get smp for the next baby so thats why i unfortunately had to do what i did sad

AlexanderinaTheGreater Sat 06-Apr-13 20:48:38

Excellent news about the ts and cs Jakey - pressure off has to be a good thing. Sod's law says that's now it's not so urgent you should be pregnant next month! Fingers crossed anyway.

Game over here, but with a 10 day LP which is an improvement so I can't really complain too much. Hopefully that means next month I can delay the mental for a few extra days. I live in hope....

So Reb when can you start trying for real? I can't remember what the rules are on smp.

MrsHuxtable Mon 08-Apr-13 21:28:16

Hello everyone, old and new!

I've not been on for ages, quite frankly because I couldn't be bothered. Like Jakey, I have become quite defeatist what with having a LP of 5 days or something stupid like that. I'm not even tracking my cycle at the moment so no idea where I am or what's going on.

Have upped the B6 to 100 mg but don't know if it's doing something.

My last cycle was all over the place due to DD having had a virus and wanting to feed all day long for a week.

The reason for re-appearing now (besides wanting to check how you ladies are getting on) is that we have finally reached our ttc start date.

We are ideally aiming for a January or February baby (and yes, I know how ridiculous it sounds with being pretty much infertile due to LPD) and I just calculated that if I was to start my period today (which I'm not) and was to conceive that cycle, I'd have an EDD of January 14th, so taking into account that DD was born at 38+6, I think we're safe to assume we won't be having a December baby if we got lucky immediately (again hollow laugh at that thought process).

Getting a little bit nervous now knowing that the ttc business is getting all serious again.

That said, I still feel awful due to having started a new job about a months ago. I like working there and the bosses/owners are decent people. I'd hate to announce a pregnancy so soon in but can't really put our private life on hold because of it. Dilemma of the year, I can tell you. It makes me feel slightly better that due to cuts, I had no choice but to leave my old job but still. I want to be a great employee and planning a pregnancy somehow doesn't feel like it.

So, I think the plan for now is: Wait for the next cycle to start and then get shagging a lot. I won't track my cycle I don't think for a while. I'll just see what happens and hope for the best.

How is everyone else getting on? Any news?

agendabender Mon 08-Apr-13 22:01:03

DH and I decided that we would just stop using any contraception and see what happened, and if breastfeeding made it take longer we'd just live with that. Obviously, ask me again in six months whether i'm that relaxed!

So this is our first month. AF due in a week. Over the weekend breastfeeding has become increasingly painful. It's probably just a bad latch, right? My nipples are tingly, but DS will feed ten times one day and one the next. so probably that. I'm not relaxed at all, am I?

Sorry so many ladies are struggling with the work/mat leave situation.

Reb18 Tue 09-Apr-13 13:09:02

i can start trying as soon as i start work in july, once my af is back on track i just need to.make sure im not too closr to the mark cos if my dates move i could be screwed!

Jakeyblueblue Tue 09-Apr-13 16:16:41

Hi all, im trying to stay relaxed too. Ov'd on Sunday but only dtd sat am so might be out anyway. Unfortunately I know exactly when I ov so I have no choice but to track the cycle, even if its only mentally! I've restated the b6 but only because they were half price at holland and barratt!!
Agenda - the sore nips sounds promising!
Mrs hux - good to see you back!

Reb18 Tue 09-Apr-13 20:52:44

mrshuxtable i know what you mean about work, im having a right fight on my hands for returning yet will be planning to ttc .immediately! And they think dd was an accident cos id only been there two months when i conceived and felt bad so i wont be able to say anything this time!

AlexanderinaTheGreater Thu 11-Apr-13 13:04:43

I think I'm going to hope some of these relaxed vibes rub off on me - I try, but it doesn't seem to work....

The work thing's a hard one isn't it. I ummed and aahed and left ttc again to the point where I'd've been back a year by the time I went off on mat leave again, because that seemed not too unfair on colleagues and people I deal with through work. At the end of the day though, you can't plan these things around work (if indeed you can plan them at all...)

MrsH why the desire for a Jan/Feb baby? <nosy>

Any more symptoms agendabender?

MrsHuxtable Thu 11-Apr-13 17:52:49

The desire for a January/February baby is just because we're in Scotland and children born in those 2 months can defer school entry for a year and still get pre-school funding, meaning they only start school at 5.8 as the oldest in the year. It's something we're very keen on, DD is a Feb baby so we planned well with her.

Also, when I was in my old job, I was working during the week and DH was looking after DD. He's doing a PhD so working mostly from home. But because he'll be finished with that in October and we have to assume that he might get a Mon-Fri job then, we thought it would be great if with parental leave, holidays etc, I would be ready to go on ML again by then, thus avoiding any sort of childcare for DD.
Things have relaxed a bit in the sense that my new job is Friday-Sunday so even if I wasn't pregnant enough for ML in October, I hope that I could just drop the Friday shift or take Fridays off til I'm there and DH and I can still look after DD between us.
It's all very theoretical as we have no clue what is going to happen with DH but the Jan/Feb baby would fit in perfectly. (A girl is allowed to dream, right?)

No news here. I had a migraine like headache the other day which sometimes happens the night before AF arrives but nothing so far. I strongly suspect I'm having another long cycle because DD had D+V bug and was feeding like a little maniac again all week.

agendabender Thu 11-Apr-13 21:17:33

yes Alexanderina I'm loving the smell of DH's beery breath, which I did when expecting DS! Did a test this morning because I was going to see the doctor anyway, but of course it was negative as it's waaaay to early to test. The doctor wants us to wait two months so that I can change medication, so I'm hoping I'm already pregnant so I don't have to add extra months.

MrsH really interested to hear that increased feeding lengthens your cycle. I've been regular as clockwork since I got mine back. Has anyone else experienced this?

Lis999 Fri 12-Apr-13 12:47:33

Well AF has arrived, which is too bad, but my LP jumped from 7 to 10 days! Maybe it was the B6?

AlexanderinaTheGreater Fri 12-Apr-13 13:29:36

That all makes sense MrsH - fingers crossed! I guess with the school thing a March/April baby would still be one of the oldest in the year if that's what you're wanting.

Agenda there must be something going on if you like beery breath!

Yay for the longer LP Lis, although not for AF. Here's hoping it's good preparation for next cycle to be the one.

Jakeyblueblue Fri 12-Apr-13 21:58:22

5dpo here. Awaiting the inevitable!
Congrats on the LP lis! That's a most respectable increase!!

agendabender Fri 12-Apr-13 23:02:21

I think mine has too Lis . I wasn't even expecting it until Monday or Tuesday, so that sucks. I hope your good LP continues!

MrsHuxtable Sat 13-Apr-13 20:32:37

Hello, AF arrived this morning! So it's CD1 of first ttc cycle! EEEK!!!!!

Agenda Could the sore nipples have been ovulation? As far as I know it's one of the signs when breastfeeding.

agendabender Sat 13-Apr-13 23:09:42

ah thanks MrsH I'll look out for that next month. Actually my "period" seems to have disappeared. I'm desperately trying not to get my hopes up that it was an implantation bleed, while hoping it was an implantation bleed. Don't think i had one the first time around, or any spotting at all ever in my life.

DogandBeth Sun 14-Apr-13 07:51:28

Hi all hope you're all ok. Was wondering if I could ask your opinions on this. Have just done a test this am and got a bfn. Am on cd 34 but had v early mc last month so have taken cd 1 as being 1st day of mc. I am 9-10 dpo, tend to ovulate late in my cycle, and 7 days since last dtd. Do you think I've tested too early or am i just kidding myself? Dd has also become boob hound again in last 4 or 5 days so that's prob messed it up anyway. I guess I'll just have to wait and see but was hopeful it would be ok this month, after last month's misery sad

DogandBeth Sun 14-Apr-13 07:52:11

Ps good luck agenda!

DogandBeth Sun 14-Apr-13 09:55:50

Just realised I got that wrong, should be 7-8 dpo, as the opks tell you you're about to ovulate don't they, rather than telling you that you are. I didn't mention the mc in my post last month as was in denial about it, only when dh persuaded me to speak to doc did it become official. Anyway apologies for multiple posts will stop now

AlexanderinaTheGreater Sun 14-Apr-13 18:54:19

Sorry to hear about the mc DogandBeth. Sounds like that was pretty early for testing, so I wouldn't give up hope quite yet.

Agenda your last post made me think 'implantation bleed' but I didn't say anything because I didn't want to fuel the madness. Seems like you're managing that all by yourself though ;) Here's hoping....

BettyStogs Sun 14-Apr-13 21:55:06

Hi all, no real news here. Have been taking agnus castus but no sign of AF yet. Hope there's some good news on the thread soon.

agendabender Sun 14-Apr-13 22:17:48

Just madness I'm afraid. Three days of tiny bits of blood in mucus before AF, what's that about? If it's possible to make it happen by being crazy then it was probably that.

DogandBeth sounds like you've had a really tough one there. I hope you're ok.

DogandBeth Sun 14-Apr-13 22:43:02

Thanks agenda and Alexanderina sorry to hear you haven't got good news (yet)
I'm ok ta just a bit fed up really. Still hoping I tested too early this month tho think my hormones may be a bit messed up still.
Good luck for this month Mrs h and betty

Jakeyblueblue Mon 15-Apr-13 23:22:46

We really need some good news guys!
9dpo tmrw but lying here with AF cramps. Looks like another sub ten LP for me. Bloody useless.
Thinking about going to the gp? What do you think? AF been back 11 months now, but admittedly wAsnt trying all those cycles due to illness and logistics. Also it's only been the last 3 or 4 cycles that the cycles have been more regular. Not really sure whAt they would do anyway. Prob just tell me to wean. sad

Reb18 Mon 15-Apr-13 23:31:07

Hi all,

Sorry for your mc dogsandbeth, a friend mced at 11 wks in feb and still has got her first period and she just wants to get going!

Well good news on the ov front for me, ive been temping and opks and got positive last week, this equates to day 14 from my post map bleed so i think im.bang on track for 28 dayers again and the map hasnt messed me up!

Im now going bk to work full time as it will hopefully only be for a short while so i want to save all i can to then be able to stay home after the next baby but going bk full time at least means we can start trying sooner as its classed as continuous employment and im taking june as holiday so can start from then smile

DogandBeth Tue 16-Apr-13 15:16:50

Hello no good news here I'm afraid- looks like AF got me too sad . Ah well

Jakeyblueblue Tue 16-Apr-13 22:45:24

Well I've mAde it through 9dpo with no AF but its sure to come tmrw. Had cramping on and off all day so am expecting it anytime. sad

Jakeyblueblue Thu 18-Apr-13 13:10:21

AF on 11dpo so I guess that's at least something sad

MrsHuxtable Thu 18-Apr-13 15:51:37

Oh Jackey, sorry you weren't successful this cycle but an 11 day LP is not shabby at all! How old is your DS now? Feels like the months have just flown by since I joined this thread.

My AF has come to an end, so potentially, we will have our first condom free shag tonight (once my mum has departed from her visit ;) ). Not sure how I feel about it though as DH and I have been arguing quite a bit the last couple of weeks (we are massively stressed) and I would certainly not consider having sex if today if it wasn't for ttc. Am also having a little cold feet due to the whole work situation. Gah!

Btw, my skin is horrendous at the moment. Why is this happening? I have spots on my chest (boak) and the only time I had that was when I was pregnant (which I'm not currently). Could it be too much coffee? I'm puzzled.

Does anyone have good news?

AlexanderinaTheGreater Thu 18-Apr-13 22:55:08

Glad there's a silver lining of not too shabby LP Jakey, not that that was what you wanted.

MrsH I'm with you on the shagging when you wouldn't even think of it otherwise - mine was with a splitting headache last night. And then we had a blazing row this morning <sigh>.

I'm remembering more and more of how nuts ttc sends me. This does not bode well for the next however many months.

AlexanderinaTheGreater Tue 23-Apr-13 08:58:53

The sound of a screaming child through the monitor is just the best accompaniment to a shag don't you think....

MrsHuxtable Tue 23-Apr-13 09:09:48

So true, Alexanderina!

We had our first ttc shag last night on CD10. In the spare bedroom. Quite in a hurry as well as DD kept waking up.

Victoria2002 Tue 23-Apr-13 22:50:29

Hi all. I am b/f ds1, he's 9m and (more or less) night-weaned since 6 1/2m. I haven't had any periods yet. I would love to have another baby. I'm 35 and took 6m to conceive ds1 (proper trying by monitoring my cycle etc not just no contraception). For this reason I'm keen to hear from the more expert posters here if there's anything I can do? Ds has not taken to solids very well, he does ok but is not that enthusiastic on the whole, so I'm not sure I can b/f him much less. (Also refusing bottles at the moment after accepting them for 8m) confused. I assumed there was nothing I could do really till my periods return and I can try to work out when I am ovulating.

AlexanderinaTheGreater Fri 26-Apr-13 17:35:52

Hi Victoria. I'm afraid I'm not one of the experts on how to get ovulation going (I didn't start ttc until well after my periods were back), but I wanted to say hello anyway, and I'm sure other people will be along with advice.

Does anyone else go through phases of hope/despair through each cycle? I was feeling hopeful when I knew we'd shagged the day before and day of ov, now at 3dpo I know it's not worked (cos you can tell by now, right?!) and yet I know that in a few day's time I'll be driving myself mad symptom spotting and the hope will be back. Can I blame it on the hormones?

Victoria2002 Fri 26-Apr-13 22:51:32

Thanks Alexanderina

SuperFurrySlippers Fri 26-Apr-13 23:47:11

Hello, BettyStogs here under a different name (can't figure out how to change it back on my phone)

Victoria I'm also waiting for AF's return, with regards to solids I noticed that DS started eating a lot more at around 9-10 months, so you may find that he starts dropping milk feeds quite soon if that's the case with him too. Otherwise some of the ladies on here have recommend agnus castus and vitamin B6 to help regulate hormones and get cycle back to normal.

Looneymummy Sat 27-Apr-13 09:55:26

Hi All, hope you don't mind me dropping by.
Here's my story in brief I have 4 children all under 5 & conceived each one while bfing the others so it's totally possible. I also fed my dd til she was 3! My ds only 5mths & I'd love another haha I'm a nutter ( hence my user name very apt i thought) )I know but just love big families they bring such joy.
Anyway I've always co slept with them all & never rushed to wean them only with no 3 as needed to get back to work at 11mths. My Af always came back about 3/4 mths & I used opk with the last 3 I didn't go mad just dtd the day of the +opk & 3 days after. Ive been trying to think of reasons why my Af always returned early although not regular cycles some long some short & I never heard of a short LP until I came on here.
I feed on demand always & sometimes 3/4 times in the night but never for long when they are asleep I've always unlached them.
My only difference I think is that I only really feed off one boobie maybe the other side once a day. The reason is I just feel more comfortable on that particular side so it suits. Ds doesn't lose out born at 10.1 & is a monster in size really huge so it has no effect on him or my other what so ever!
Anyway thought id share that as its a shame to give up feeding to all the mums who love it as it was never an issue with me I can only imagine the dilemma's your faced with.
I hope you all have bfp very soon including me again I hope xx

Looneymummy Sat 27-Apr-13 09:57:57

Btw I always took parental vits at least one mth before & my dh zinc ( apprently improves the quality & quantity of sperm) !!&#128170;

Looneymummy Sat 27-Apr-13 09:58:50

Ps sorry about the weird numbers at the end... What's all that about ha!

AlexanderinaTheGreater Tue 30-Apr-13 21:02:47

Well, it's good to know there are people out there it does work out easily for Looneymummy.

How is everyone? I should be going mad with symptom spotting at the mo (I think I'm about 7dpo) but work is insane and I'm not having time to think about it, which is good I guess. The small person isn't sleeping well either, so it's all fun and games round here.... Hope everyone else's lives are a bit less hectic.

agendabender Tue 30-Apr-13 21:03:23

How are you all doing ladies? Is anyone on here nursing a child older than two? If so, how frequently do they feed? I'm just looking to hear other people's experiences, not judging (my DS is 2 years 8 months)

agendabender Tue 30-Apr-13 21:04:32

Alexanderina this is probably the only time when it's good for your mental health to be so busy!

AlexanderinaTheGreater Tue 30-Apr-13 21:52:15

This is true....

The small person's only 19 months so I can't answer your question I'm afraid. I'm wondering if she'll ever decide to self-wean, or if I'll end up having to do it because I don't fancy tandem feeding. Assuming I ever get pregnant... She just has a bedtime feed now anyway, so I guess if we do get to 2 years we'll still be on that.

agendabender Wed 01-May-13 11:54:16

I know a few families in which the toddler has self weaned when the mum's milk has dried up in pregnancy. These are all over 2. I know an under-2 who kept feeding and is now tandem feeding, but the colostrum gave her awful runs and a raw bottom. They often increase their feeding around 2 years, by the way. DS went down to 1, maybe 2 feeds a day, then around 2 started feeding like a newborn, and so did all of his friends.

AlexanderinaTheGreater Wed 01-May-13 20:13:11

Hmmm, that'll be fun then (the upping feeds at 2). Although she's at nursery 4 days a week so it's not like she'll have the opportunity that much. I'm not desperate to wean, just wondering if she'll do it or if I'll have to.

AlexanderinaTheGreater Sat 04-May-13 10:36:02

Anyone any good with the mysteries of temping? Early yesterday temp was well down, so figured game over (at 10dpo). Took it again at getting up time (after another couple of hours sleep) and it was that annoying neither up nor down temp (for me). Still figured game over. No sign of period though.

This morning early temp was low, took it again a couple of hours later when I got up and it was high. (Only .2 different, but those temps would usually be clearly up or down at this point in the cycle).

I know in theory it's the one after longest amount of sleep that counts, but that didn't play out yesterday. (Cue thoughts about implantation dips....) But I am kidding myself, aren't I? I'm fully expecting to be back with news of game over before anyone manages to reply!

In cheerier conversation topics, does anyone have exciting plans for the bank holiday weekend? The sun appears to have decided to join us here at last....

MrsHuxtable Sat 04-May-13 14:38:41

Hello,

no news here. Am on CD 22 and have had EWCM since day 12 or so. Think
this will be a long and useless cycle since DD is teething (molars, shudder) and has been a boob maniac. My nipples are raw! I also don't think we dtd often enough so far. Every 2-3 days has been all we've managed.

No exciting plans here I'm afraid. Just working and studying my arse off.

I don't know about the temping Alexanderina. I gave up on that after 2 days as I just wasn't getting enough sleep to do it properly. Hopefully someone else will be ale to help.

AlexanderinaTheGreater Sat 04-May-13 17:29:39

Blergh to molars.

What's the studying? <nosy> <may already have asked and forgotten the answer cos have brain like sieve>

Well the sunshine has buggered off again, but the small person and I did make it down to the farm earlier to see lambs and a baby Highland coo.

AlexanderinaTheGreater Sun 05-May-13 14:43:42

Tis now officially game over, but with LP up another day to 11 so that's good. And I won't have to make excuses for not drinking at a wedding later this month. <looks for silver lining>

agendabender Sun 05-May-13 22:09:10

sorry Alex hope you're ok. You too MrsH. I think we missed the boat on DTD this month, but when AF is due DH will be away for the weekend and my entire (large) family will be staying with me, so inevitably it will be late and I'll have to wait all weekend to test, only to come on on Monday! We haven't told anyone that we'd like another, and I know they'd be pretty negative about it, so I'll have a tidy up before the weekend and hide the pregnancy tests and folic acid! I just know my mum or my sisters would manage to find them!

PhilPhil Sun 05-May-13 22:23:03

Can I tentatively say hello? I've lurked for a long while on this thread and previous ones... currently bf 14m dd, ttc no. 3. I conceived dd while bf ds, (but he was sleeping through the night by 1, dd still feeding once or occasionally twice in the night). ds stopped feeding at about 3 (basically dropped his nap/rest time, and he was only having milk before rest, so he forgot about it) although he did have one feed last week because he asked for it. Anyhow, no AF at all yet, but just wanted to say hello.

Jakeyblueblue Mon 06-May-13 00:03:31

Hi everyone and welcome to all the new recruits!
Haven't been around for a while as have been trying to not obsess about the whole ttc thing..... Needless to say, it hasn't really worked and I'm now 17 dpo with ewcm and have been dtd the last few days so looks like I'm in for another marvellous 2ww. Yawn!!!

Wildwaterfalls Mon 06-May-13 09:08:54

Hi everyone!

Another new joiner - bf DD1 (8m) and starting TTC in a month or so. But no sign of AF let alone ovulation...

Thinking of night weaning as can't wait to have DC2 and although DD1 did not take long to conceive, we had 2 mmcs too.

Anyone have a good night weaning strategy? Have been reading the no cry sleep solution which recommends gradually reducing length of feeds.

Good to see some bfps on this thread! grin

Jakeyblueblue Wed 08-May-13 18:44:49

Well god knows what's going on inside my ridiculous body!! Cd 20, ewcm dried up today but not 100% sure I've ov'd. Usually if I'm not sure, it means I haven't. Did have some ov pain Monday night which would add up why ewcm has dried up but usually the pain is worse and also my nips are still sore, which should have gone now. Think I will dtd again today to be on the safe side and then wait and see if AF comes or ewcm returns. I have had cycles where ewcm came back later in the month and I went on to ov very late.
Why is it so bloody confusing and difficult. Makes you wonder how all the pregnancies on Jeremy Kyle ever occur from just one dtd!!!
How's everyone else getting on?
Oh and welcome to the fold wild water!

MrsHuxtable Wed 08-May-13 20:28:39

I tell you how, Jakey! Those people on Jeremy Vile are about 14 and wouldn't think of breastfeeding!

Feeling a bit ranty myself as you might be able to tell. CD26 here and I feel like AF is on the way. Also no idea if I've ovulated because I'm trying not to monitor it too much and just be relaxed. Fat chance of that. Besides probably still having a crap LP, we also haven't been dtd an awful lot. I reckon AF will make her appearance any day now.

We really need a BPF on the thread to keep us all motivated.

Wildwaterfalls Wed 08-May-13 21:10:48

Thanks Jakey!

Ah, those mentions of CD20 etc make me feel nostalgic about the days when I used to have a cycle! But it must be very frustrating to not be quite sure what is going on re ov and luteal phase. Lots of random dtd!
Really hope that will result in a bfp for someone very soon!

At this end we're just stuck on trying to get AF back... Not sure what the best strategy is. DD still a bit of a milk monster - tends to throw herself at me mouth open when she hungry. Even latched onto my chin on the weekend, has she learnt nothing in 8 months?! grin

So keen to be able to ttc though!

lia66 Wed 08-May-13 21:13:48

Hi ladies.

Well it finally arrived, 2 yrs and 18 days after dd was born. smile

So, had very clear + opk's on day 16. Don't know about any other days as I just randomly tested. Swi ( shagged with intent smile ) on day 17 and that's been it, dh has been working late and had 2 overnight always so not really holding out any hope.

We will see, normal cycle used to be 28 days on the dot, moving to more 30

agendabender Fri 10-May-13 04:05:44

DS cosleeping tonight and woke me up for a feed at 3am. Went for a wee, did a test to know before my family descend for the weekend and DH goes away, and got a BFP. Faint at first, but definite! It can be done!

Wildwaterfalls Fri 10-May-13 07:51:38

Oh wow agenda gringringringrin

Massive congratulations!

You give us all hope!

MrsHuxtable Fri 10-May-13 12:43:06

Congratulations agenda! I'm really jealous. CD 28 here and I feel like af is on her way. This might sound stupid but I'm really struggling with the idea of not falling pregnant on our first cycle of ttc because that's how it was with dd. In my head I know that between the breastfeeding lp mess and the lack in sex it's pretty much impossible to get that bfp but I'm still disappointed. How.ridiculous. Any updates from anyone else?

Jakeyblueblue Fri 10-May-13 18:16:34

Wow congrats agenda! At last some good news! Hope all goes well for you!
No news here, in the 2ww but not really sure when ov'd so just going to sit it out and see when AF turns up. I'm thinking next week sometime.
Try not to stress mrs hux, you never know, stranger things have happened. You may be one of the lucky ones. My AF came back a year ago now and I know its very easy to get sad about it all but we have to remind ourselves of what we've already got. Some people aren't that lucky. If I'm honest, I do breathe a tiny little sigh of relief every cycle that passes that I'm not Preg, ds takes up so much of my time, I sometimes wonder if I must be mad and how I'd cope!
Keep going, it will happen for both of us smile

CountBapula Fri 10-May-13 22:42:48

Hello, can I join? I'm 35 in two weeks' time and still feeding DS, who's 2.7. I didn't mean to feed him for this long - it's kind of ended up this way.

DH and I took a long time to decide to TTC again. I had PND during DS's first year - he cried a lot and never slept - and we weren't sure we could go through it again. We finally decided to go for it and last month was our first proper month trying. I got AF today sad

We've never had an unsuccessful month TTC - the first time, I had an early MC. Then I got pg with DS the very next cycle, without even a period in between. So we kind of expected it'd be the same this time. Am a bit shock to find out bf could be a factor - AF came back when DS was 10mo so I thought all was back to normal. Apparently not confused

DS feeds first thing in the morning, last thing at night and at naptime (fed to sleep). More if ill or tired, but not at night (nightweaned at 18mo).

I had a short LP anyway - 10 days max in a 23/24 day cycle. Looks like it was only 8 or 9 days this cycle. After reading up here I've bought some B6 so hoping that'll help.

So glad I found this thread - was feeling quite sad this morning when AF arrived but it helps to know you ladies are there too. Fingers crossed for everyone thanks

AlexanderinaTheGreater Sat 11-May-13 08:54:35

Excellent news agenda smile Are you going to be able to keep the grin off your face with your family around so they don't suspect, or will you tell them?

Welcome to all the newbies, it's good to have you here.

Nothing to report here - I'm in the dull bit of the cycle where it's not yet time to SWI (I like that acronym lia). About to go away for a few days with the small person leaving husband at home which inevitably means ov will be early and we'll miss our chance this month.

eggsnbeans Sat 11-May-13 10:10:27

Hi can I join you guys? Have been lurking for a while learning what to expect smile DD is 8m and AF has just returned. Never been so glad to see her in my life grin Although i was a little hopeful as I had definite EWCM last month but LP would only have been 6 days sad So now just waiting to see what happens with this cycle. Will probably try some B6 as so many of you have had success with it smile Things had been going quite well in terms of reducing BF and getting DD going on solids, but she seems to have changed her mind recently and now won't eat anything other than milk sad so my recently increased fertility will probably take a nose dive again.

I have always wanted to have DCs close together but it took a long time to conceive DD, so not holding out a lot of hope! Great to see some BFPs here though grin

Wildwaterfalls Sat 11-May-13 13:57:29

Welcome count and eggs! Eggs - can I ask how much your DD bf now? Our DDs are the same age but although mine now bf only 4 times in a 24 hour period, no sign of AF.

Jakey - I know what you mean about reminding ourselves how lucky we are - so true!

eggsnbeans Sat 11-May-13 22:24:05

Thanks for the welcome wild smile DD is feeding 6-7 times a day, only has the occassional night feed though. She is a pretty quick feeder though, only more than 6 mins if my supply is down a bit and she has both sides. I have read that the total time spent sucking is more important than the frequency in terms of inhibiting ovulation, with 60 mins/day being the magic number on average. But don't really know if it's true!

Wildwaterfalls Sun 12-May-13 20:00:08

Oh wow thanks eggs - can't believe it never occurred to me that feed length, rather than frequency, might be the issue! I was struggling to see which feed I could drop, but shortening the evening/night ones in particular seems more achievable I'm usually so tired I just kind of sit there snoozing for ages while she eats smile

PhilPhil Sun 12-May-13 22:08:38

gosh, I didn't think about feed length either - but I'm sure dd usually feeds much less than 60mins a day and no AF here yet... when I was feeding ds it arrived when he was about 14months - he was only having 2 feeds a day at that point.

BettyStogs Mon 13-May-13 21:15:15

Hello all, and congrats Agenda!

Just popping in to say that sadly I will be leaving this thread. With DS just turned 20mo, no sign of AF,and my 39th birthday just around the corner I have made the difficult decision to stop bf. Not entirely sure how I'm going to do that, but that's for another thread.

Thanks to everyone for the support and I hope that there will be BFPs for you all very soon - I may pop in from time to time to check!

MrsHuxtable Tue 14-May-13 15:45:30

Massive news here! Am on CD32 and just got a BFP!

I did a Clearblue digital and a cheap Amazon test 2 days ago and both were negativ. Yesterday at work I ate a crisp sandwich. The only other time I ate one was the week before I found out I was pregnant with DD so did another 2 cheap test this morning an got a very faint line. Went and bought another Digital and there it was: Pregnant 1-2 weeks. am now massively apprehensive about chemical pregnancy etc as I have no idea how early I got my result. No idea of cycle length.

Wildwaterfalls Tue 14-May-13 18:21:29

Wow that is huge news MrsHux! Big congratulations grin! Have you told anyone yet?!

May I be so rude bold to ask you for a brief overview of your bf history, ie when did AF return, how long after that is this BFP, have you made any bf changes that helped? Just to get an idea of what I am dealing with here smile

Sorry to hear you're leaving Betty. I hope stopping bf goes well for you and DC.

MrsHuxtable Tue 14-May-13 19:10:12

No problem Waterfalls!

DH knows now as do my 2 best friends and one of my sisters. I'm not good at keeping a secret but that's it for now as I will have to keep the news quiet at work til August at least.

AF returned when DD was 10 months old, she's now 15 months. There was no logic to it, she didn't feed any less that month than she did the others. We co-sleep and she still wakes 3-4 times at night to feed.Also feeds during the day, 2-3 times. I had a short luteal phase of only 4-5 days for at least the first 4 cycles, after that I stopped paying attention as it was getting me down. This cycle that got me the BFP was my 7th cycle postpartum I think and I didn't change any breastfeeding behaviours. That said, it was also the first month we were ttc so I have no idea if I would have been able to get pregnant earlier had we tried. I just assumed there was no chance because of the luteal phase defect. I started taking Vit B6 a few months ago, first 50mg and then 2 months ago, I started taking 100mg. That was also when I got frustrated and gave up paying attention to my cycle. So the 100mg Vit B6 might have increased my LP to a viable length.

I'm taking all of this with a pinch of salt as I'm a pessimist and fully expect this pregnancy not to work out, sooner rather than later.

Feel free to ask me anything specific you might be wondering!

MrsHuxtable Tue 14-May-13 20:21:34

Sorry, DD was 9 months when AF returned.

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 14-May-13 21:27:36

Advice needed please ladies!

DS is 22 months and still bf. I have pcos and an underactive thyroid and even before having DS I had very irregular cycles and usually only around 6 per year (average cycle length 40 days).

I haven't had any AF since having DS and have been slowly cutting down bf to try to get AF to return.

Still feeding before/after naps and last thing/first thing, though.

Now tonight I have EWCM smile trying not to get too excited, but does this mean AF is coming back???

Wildwaterfalls Tue 14-May-13 21:27:42

Thanks MrsHux that is all so encouraging. DD is 8.5 months and s bf much more during evening/night than during the day. So good to know I may not have to give that up for AF to come back.

I am so excited for you. First month of ttc as well! Lovely to have the DCs quite close together in age. Hope you'll keep us posted, and perhaps there is a bf while pregnant thread somewhere as well you can now join! smile

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 14-May-13 21:30:15

Reading back through the thread - congratulations mrs huxtable grin

eggsnbeans Wed 15-May-13 02:37:58

Huge Congrats MrsH! Awesome news, and 1st month ttc too! grin Hope you're not feeling too nauseous bf!

MrsHuxtable Wed 15-May-13 10:19:32

WouldBeHarriet, I'd dtd whenever there is any fertile mucus. You might catch your first egg. That said, the months because AF came back for me, I also noticed EWCM and then, a few days later, there was a tiny amount of blood on the toilet paper when I wiped. So it might very well be your body gearing up for proper cycles.

God, I hope that the theory is true that breastfeeding reduced morning sickness. I had Hyperemesis last time, for 9 bloody months!!!!! So going through that again, plus having a breastfeeding toddler and studying and having a new job fills me with dread!

MrsHuxtable Wed 22-May-13 16:28:54

Hello, how is everyone doing?

It's gone really quiet on here. Was hoping to stick around with you ladies for quite some time as I don't really feel confident to properly join a pregnancy thread yet. Pregnancy calender says I should be 5+4 today but I think I'm a few days behind that at least, maybe even a week due to late breastfeeding ovulation. God knows. I don't really have any symptoms yet, other than being more tired which makes me very nervous. Either this isn't a viable pregnancy or it's too early for symptoms or I'm lucky this time and am escaping the Hyperemesis. Should my boobs not be sore by now?

MrsHuxtable Wed 22-May-13 20:16:37

Have I killed the thread?

jennimoo Wed 22-May-13 20:50:10

I'm still lurking, great news Mrs H!

Sorry you're still struggling, jakey, have been thinking of you and was really hoping when I found this new thread last week that you'd got your BFP sad

26 weeks here, DD quit the mummy milk around 8 weeks but is still obsessed with my boobs!

MrsHuxtable Wed 22-May-13 21:05:29

Jennimoo, how much was your DD feeding before you got pregnant? And how old is she again?

jennimoo Wed 22-May-13 21:23:43

DD is 2.8 now, and when I got pg was feeding loads still. Once I was pg she seemed to lose interest and went down to a feed in the morning and evening so I told her it ran out and she was perfectly happy to accept that. It was a little sad she stopped but I'm so glad it turned out to be so simple. She knows her baby brother is going to be drinking mummy milk though, but I don't think she can latch any more so I should be safe from her starting again!

justhayley Wed 22-May-13 21:58:08

Hiya just wanted to say hi and introduce myself.
Just discovered this thread grin so need to read all 200 posts to catch up.

Im Hayley 29. I have 1 DS 13months & breastfed.
Just started to properly TTC#2.
AF has returned - when DS was 4 months but is irregular.

My conception problems

1) I'm breastfeeding (a lot)
2) Was told when pregnant I have PCOS
3) periods are irregular
4) DP is in the Military & only home at the weekends

This month we managed to have unprotected sex 3 times within my fertile period. It's the first Month we've managed this.
Weve been having unprotected sex for 2/3 months but never seem to be able to catch my fertile period.

AF is due today and so far nothing - although not getting excite as periods are so irregular. Think I'll give it 2/3 weeks and if it hasn't arrived I'll test.

Wish me luck grin
Xxx

WouldBeHarrietVane Thu 23-May-13 00:21:37

Hi Hayley - good luck with hopefully getting your bfp fast! Very jealous that your AF has come back envy

I'm 38 and have had no AF since DS was born 22 months ago. I had wanted to let him wean naturally and really want to continue bf, but am cutting a few bf out slowly to try to get my cycle back.

Now down to the following feeds:

- on waking
- going down for nap
- on sleeping (and wakes 2 hours after thAt for a feed).

One day a week I'm not around in the afternoon, so I don't do the nap feed.

Current plan is to:

- start cutting out the early morning feed from Saturday morning.
- a week later get DH (working from home at the mo) to start doing the naps on the days I work from home so that on all 3 days I work I will only be feeding twice.

After that, I'm going to wait until he's 2 to see if AF comes back. If it doesn't then I will consider dropping more.

Please keep your fingers crossed for me.

Wildwaterfalls Thu 23-May-13 20:09:06

Hi Hayley and Harriet, and welcome smile. Good luck too, Hayley with testing soon hopefully, and Harriet with dropping feeds. It's hard isn't it!

Still no AF here (recap: I'm 33, DD1 is 9 months) although I did feel an ovulation type pain a couple if days ago. Hope I didn't imagine it.

We're also going to start dropping some feeds we think - nights first hopefully, and ultimately down to morning and evening only. It won't be easy but we've found a bottle she's happy with so will do mixed feeding.

justhayley Fri 24-May-13 13:31:46

Hiya thanks for the welcome. Period is now 2 days late smile Trying not to think about it, really don't want it to come this month. don't want to get all excited and it's just late again. It's regularly 2/3 weeks late so 2 days is nothing.
I'm not aware when I Ovulate, apart from those little tests how do I know?
At the moment I'm going by an iPhone app - although don't quite know how reliable they are.

justhayley Fri 24-May-13 13:32:26

Hiya thanks for the welcome. Period is now 2 days late smile Trying not to think about it, really don't want it to come this month. don't want to get all excited and it's just late again. It's regularly 2/3 weeks late so 2 days is nothing.
I'm not aware when I Ovulate, apart from those little tests how do I know?
At the moment I'm going by an iPhone app - although don't quite know how reliable they are.

WouldBeHarrietVane Fri 24-May-13 21:21:21

Hayley, have you read taking charge of your fertility by Toni weschler? That's got loads of useful info in about working out when you ov. I used charting to get pg with DS and found observing cervical fluids really reliable - sorry if tmi blush I know people say its not quite as easy when you are still bf, though!

I am going to drop another feed tomorrow (the morning one) as I'm dropping one every ten days or so. The problem is that as fast as I'm dropping them I think new ones are popping up smile

From tomorrow DS will be feeding:

- Before he goes down for his nap
- Before bed
- 2 hours after going to sleep

The thing is that I realised today he actually drops off for his feed latched on, while I read next to him but then stats latched and also starts sucking again during his nap sometimes. So in effect some days that will still be 4 feeds shock

No wonder my AF hasn't come back yet!!

After the morning feed has been gone a week I am going to get DH to do 3 naps a week on the day he is home, so for 3 days a week there should only be 2 feeds a day.

lelton Sat 25-May-13 10:47:17

Hello, I have been signposted to you lovely ladies smile
I am ttc but am still nursing my 24 month old who is a complete boob monster and still nurses throughout the night like a newborn sad He is generally very high needs so am trying to follow his needs in terms of the breastfeeding and our recent attempts at night weaning failed miserably so have given up.
I am yet to get my periods back so looking into agnus castus, which I believe really helped me concieve the first time as I struggled for years with PCOS and Endo. confused

WouldBeHarrietVane Sat 25-May-13 13:19:27

Lelton snap on pcos and high need toddler! Welcome to the thread. I'm a relative newbie, but will be going down this road with you as we are dropping feeds too.

Have you read the LLL book, how weaning happens? I got a second hand copy from amazon for a few quid and it is very good for suggesting ways to gently drop bf feeds while meeting your child's needs.

I'm hoping to just cut down a few feeds until periods come back and then keep the last few feeds going. I feel DS still really needs to bf but at 38 I can't wait to TTC sad

DogandBeth Sat 25-May-13 20:41:30

Hello, I joined the thread a few months ago but haven't posted really since I had an early mc in March. Lost heart a bit but thought I'd come back to update as today have had a bfp. Trying not to get too excited as this is the same number of days since last period that I mc'd last time so hoping I make it through today. X

DogandBeth Sat 25-May-13 20:43:08

Good luck to everyone else who is TTC and well done to those who have already managed it btw! X

YonicTheHedgehog Sat 25-May-13 23:17:04

I belong in here. I'm 34 and BFing my 16 month old who is currently behaving like a newborn night and day. First AF appeared at 14 months and I have been stuck in that first cycle ever since and am now on day 50 odd. Been getting patches of ewcm here and there and don't seem to be getting anywhere fast.
I have never had a LP over 5 days even with the help of Clomid so God knows how we conceived last time. I suppose I hoped that my cycle would naturally right itself after having a baby but it appears that breastfeeding might be getting in the way. I don't plan to stop until DD is ready so I'll just have to wait it out.
Great to read about the BFPs though, I was chuffed with the OPs especially.

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 26-May-13 06:50:30

Congratulations Beth smile

Hello and welcome Yonic - great hat you are going to bf until your dc self weans smile

YonicTheHedgehog Sun 26-May-13 09:35:47

Thanks WouldBe I just can't stand the screaming when I tell her its all gone so It's easier to let her self wean, I'm all for a quiet life!

Wildwaterfalls Sun 26-May-13 19:25:58

Welcome Yonic! And congratulations Beth, and sorry to hear about your earlier mc.

Well, guess what: AF arrived today!! Received with open arms I have to say after a 9 month wait. Judging by the ovulation pains I felt earlier in the week a luteal phase of only 5-6 days which is a bit rubbish, but at least we're getting somewhere now.

We're doing alright on the dropping feeds front too - now only feeds are 7am and 7pm, plus anything from 0-5 during the night...

PhilPhil Sun 26-May-13 22:25:34

How funny Wildwaterfalls, I was coming to say that AF arrived here yesterday, seems strange to feel so pleased about it! So at least that's the first step... and I haven't fed dd at night for the last 3 nights - to my surprise, she's settled really easily when she's woken, so perhaps I was wrong about her needing it to get back to sleep. I wasn't feeding her at all in the day some days, but I don't want to only have one feed (at bedtime) so I am re-introducing a mid-afternoon feed to make up for cutting out the night ones ... we'll see how it goes...

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 26-May-13 22:28:11

Well done Wild and Phil - great news that your AF has returned smile now on with the TTC in earnest!

Tbh if mine came back they would hear the hallelujahs quite a long way away. DS is 22 months and my last AF was in August 2010 shock

I'm really hopeful because I had ewcm this month and what I thought might be ov pains.

Does anyone know if there is any point in charting when you are bf?

eggsnbeans Mon 27-May-13 03:14:03

Yay for AF returning Wild and Phil (one and only time you'll ever be pleased wink ) although since my AF returned I've not had any further inkling of ovulation, (which is not exactly surprising) so hopefully it's better for you guys! Did you find your supply dropped quite a bit for a few days? Mine definitely did, DD didn't go off the milk, but boobs didn't seem to ever fill up!

Have got some B6 to try this month to see if it will lengthen my LP, although pre-baby the longest LP I'd ever had was 10 days, with spotting from 8 days, so not exactly got a good starting point!

I have been hoping to cut feeds down too, but DD is not interested in eating solids at the moment, which is making it difficult! We currently feed every 3 hours during the day (roughly) with 6 feeds most days, so my plan is to cut back to every 4 hours in about 10 days time (she will be 9 months old!) and drop the 10pm feed a couple of weeks later if all is going well, to see if it encourages her to eat. Does this sound reasonable? I'm obviously not going refuse if she's hungry, but sometimes I wonder if she doesn't want to eat solids because I preempt her hunger (we tend to BF before she goes down for naps and it just fits in quite well with timings!)

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 27-May-13 07:48:52

Eggs, as she's under one I've been told before that if you cut down bf you need to replace with ff as they still get a lot of their nutrients from bf until they are one. I decided to wait until DS was past one to start dropping feeds in the end.

justhayley Mon 27-May-13 22:38:19

Thanks for the book wouldbe. Will check it out.
I'm now 5 days late grin have eaten like a donkey today feel sick and have tummy pains - all signs of pregnancy and a period so not getting hopes too far up gets off baby naming website

Congratulations on your bfp Beth, and those with returning AF's.

justhayley Mon 27-May-13 23:02:43

Oh aaaaaand iv been having vivid dreams - last night I gave birth to a baby boy called Oliver Alexander lol I can remember exactly what he looked like and everything !

Wildwaterfalls Wed 29-May-13 09:49:03

Ooh justhayley that sounds very promising! Keep us posted!

WouldBeHarrietVane Wed 29-May-13 15:33:43

Fingers crossed, Hayley smile

justhayley Wed 29-May-13 22:25:23

Thanks both - AF now 7 days late. Deciding I'm going to test next Wednesday if it hasn't arrived. Hate having irregular periods, although I'm late I feel like Im not really late because I don't have a usual day I come on anyway.

WouldBeHarrietVane Wed 29-May-13 22:42:48

We are on day 5 of dropping the morning feed, but DS (22 months) seems to be feeding more and more at night sad it could be reverse cycling or just that I believed he slept through because we co sleep and I haven't previously been waking when he feeds.

Really desperate for my AF to return now and this is what happened in the last 24 hours:

Yesterday

Fed at 8pm
Fed at 10 pm
Fed at 2 am
Fed at 4 am
Fed at 5.30 am

I worked all day today so no daytime feeds.

Fed at 8pm again today

He does seem to be eating more solids, so hopefully milk intake over 24 hours is reducing but I can't believe he's still having so many feeds.

From next week he will be having no going down for a nap feeds on the days I work, so 3 days a week will be going 13.5 hours with no milk. Hopefully this will do it!

I'm going to then wait until he's 2 to see if AF comes back and, if not, my plan is to get DH to get DS to bed every night to cut out the first night time feed and see if that helps.

WouldBeHarrietVane Sat 01-Jun-13 15:24:21

How is everyone doing?

DS is still possibly reverse cycling but now down to feeds at night and his pre nap feed during the day. A few months ago that would have been 3 feeds, but now it seems to be 4 or 5 due to increased night feeding smile Before I thought he was sleeping through!! hmm

Next step is going to be to get oh to do all naps on his days with DS - starting this week, so wish me luck smile

Wildwaterfalls Sat 01-Jun-13 19:23:44

Good luck Harriet! Sounds like the nights are a bit tough - hope you are getting enough sleep!

Done with my first AF so TTC now here, although sleep deprivation is getting in the way somewhat! DD feeds at 7am and 7pm, but also several times during the night at the moment. A triple whammy of teething, a cold and constipation/sore bottom, poor thing.

Any news Hayley?

1Catherine1 Sat 01-Jun-13 21:16:11

Hi all,

Can I join? I have just come across this thread, I'm in my first month of ttc and had my contraceptive implant removed just over a month ago. I had a very small AF a week after and since I was informed that there is no withdrawal bleed for the implant, I took it as a real one. DD is 26 months old and still a complete boob monster. She always has a feed before bed and usually in the morning. When I'm not in work she also has one at nap time.

I've spent the day feeling a little down because I'm on CD29 and showing no symptoms of AF or pregnancy, wondering if I've even ovulated. Right now I would be quite happy to see AF because at least it would be a sign of everything working properly...

Sorry for the massive post but my DH didn't understand and I expect you lot will.

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 02-Jun-13 07:05:20

Hi Catherine, welcome on board and fx you won't be here very long before you get that bfp!

Great news that you had even a small AF and hopefully a proper one will turn up soon!

Some good news here - I think the reverse cycling may be slackening off and we are definitely now down to no feeds between 6 am and 1 pm and then no feeds 1.30 until 8pm. Now to drop that middle of the day feed...

justhayley Sun 02-Jun-13 22:13:05

Hi Catherine welcome to the thread.

No news yet Wild smile AF still hasn't arrived, now 11 day late. Although to be honest I don't at all feel pregnant. Am still going to POAS on Wednesday but will quite shocked if I get a bfp

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 02-Jun-13 22:33:45

Haley, hopefully there will be a positive, but even if not it probably won't be too long before you get pg anyway - fx for you!

CountBapula Mon 03-Jun-13 14:04:33

Hello, I popped up on the thread a while ago but haven't posted since. I'm 35 and still feeding 2.8yo DS. DS has been completely nightweaned since 18 mo and we recently cut down to one feed a day (bedtime - 10-15 mins max).

AF came back when DS was 10mo so thought we'd be okay TTC DC2 but it ain't happening. Have charted a couple of cycles now and I seem to O around day 19 or 20 out of 26 sad

Also, my cycles have been different since we started TTC. I'm getting spotting 2 or 3 days before AF arrives but never had that before. I wonder if I'm sort of having a super-early MC each time because there's not enough time for anything to implant.

I've taken 50mg B6 for one cycle but no change, so am going to up it to 100. Wondering whether that'll help, though, because it seems the problem is late O. Have heard about soy isoflavones but not sure you can take them while bf - does anyone know?

Wildwaterfalls Tue 04-Jun-13 09:40:26

Welcome Catherine - I hope you find out soon whether AF is on the way, or (even better) you get a BFP!

And welcome back Count. Really sorry that TTC hasn't been successful so far... And I don't know the answer to your question unfortunately. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable will be along soon.

First month of TTC here, we're allegedly being casual about it and not checking for ovulation etc, but I can't help but do the maths and working out that this coming weekend will be crucial grin.

justhayley Tue 04-Jun-13 10:09:06

Hiya sad I just POAS - couldn't wait till tomorrow. I'm gutted I got a bfn in the worst way.
I used a sainsbury's cheapy and didn't look at the box or instructions first. All tests iv done previously say it's a positive if a line appears in both windows. I hadn't even got off the loo when 2 lines appeared, for about 3 minutes I was soooooo excited. Went to the box and on it is a pic of a positive test with 1 line and 1 cross hmm I actually thought I got a positive result. Absolutely gutted. AF still hasnt arrived - 13days late, but I think I ovulated a few days ago and am currently fertile. DP isn't home until Friday night so I think we've missed this months chance as well hmm

Wildwaterfalls Tue 04-Jun-13 13:06:46

Oh no hmm. That is soo disappointing! Especially with the test confusion - how annoying to design them like that!

Hopefully you're still in with a chance this cycle though. Fingers crossed!

justhayley Tue 04-Jun-13 21:16:19

Thank you. Been down all day. Hate getting bfn's even more than AF arriving. Iv got some Ovulation sticks arriving tomorrow from a lovely poster on here who's got her baby now & doesn't need them. I know nothing about them. When is best to use them? Do you have to do it everyday after a period?

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 04-Jun-13 21:23:34

Count, welcome back and I'm not sure about the soy. Maybe when the impact of recently dropping down to only one feed works through your system your AF will go back to normal.

Good luck for this weekend, Wild grin

Hayley, I'm so sorry about your bfn and what a nasty confusion - I would probably have thought the same as you sad Will post separately about ov sticks in a second - just going up look back at what I did.

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 04-Jun-13 21:27:18

Hayley, I think what I did was to test a few days after I finished my AF and keep going until after I had ov. Actually I found out later they didn't work for me, but that's a whole other story grin

More info here:

www.fertilityfriend.com/Faqs/Ovulation-Prediction-Kits--OPKs--.html

Wildwaterfalls Tue 04-Jun-13 21:31:10

We used OPKs when conceiving DD - as Harriet says start testing a few days after AF, but the box should tell you exactly when as it depends a bit on the average cycle length if I recollect correctly.

Funny things about OPKs I remember was that afternoon rather than first morning urine was best for testing (the hormone surge might not show up early in the morning), and also that unlike with pregnancy tests, a faint line doesn't count - the line has to be as dark as the control line.

Good luck with it all! We need more BFPs on the thread soon!

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 04-Jun-13 21:33:32

I've just looked back at my notes for the last three weeks - I've had 4 phases of EWCM or near EWCM in that time (sorry if tmi blush ).

So it's now looking fairly likely I'm not going to get AF back imminently do you think and this is just random EWCM while bf?

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 04-Jun-13 21:34:28

Wild x posted with you - yes definitely need lots of bfps smile

I agree about time of testing and I think I read somewhere that 2 pm is perfect!

Wildwaterfalls Tue 04-Jun-13 22:42:45

Oh I don't think there is such a thing as tmi on this thread Harriet smile! No expert by any means but EWCM must be a good sign, right? I noticed an increase in mine in the couple of weeks before AF turned up. How us it going with your OH doing the naps? And are the nights getting any better?

DD has slept through the night twice in the last few days - cue lots of confused waking by DH and I and going over to check she's ok.grin

WouldBeHarrietVane Wed 05-Jun-13 08:05:05

Ooh Wild, sleeping through - great smile

Thanks for the encouraging words about the AF - maybe it really is coming - would be so good if it is. At nearly 39 and with PCOS and a usual cycle pattern of only 6 max AF a year I really really need my cycle back!

The night feeding seems to be going a little bit better. In the last 24 hours this was the pattern from waking in the morning.

Fed before going down for nap
Fed before sleep
Fed three hours later
Fed at 3 am
Fed at 5 am

So still 5 feeds, which I hadn't fully realised until I typed all that out hmm

DH hasn't started doing the getting DS down for naps yet as he's not been well this week, but he's doing the first one today - fingers crossed!!!

WouldBeHarrietVane Wed 05-Jun-13 08:10:20

I think as we are still at 4 feeds even once DH takes over the naps, that a week after DH has done all the naps I should also start DH getting DS down to sleep at night.

DS will still wake to feed so he would then still get 3 feeds a night unless I night wean him. Really not keen to go down that route yet, so will wait until after 2 before making any other changes.

Felt really bad this morning because DS woke, latched, I then handed him his toy. He started playing with it and I said to him I was popping to the loo and he started to cry sad maybe I should have fed him then, but I think he also has to learn that mums need the loo too! He can say milk but didn't ask for it. Felt like such a mean mummy sad

lovepigeon Wed 05-Jun-13 18:05:46

Hi can I join.
We are TTC #2, DD is nearly 16 months and still feeds lots. I got my first period the day after her first birthday but have only had 1 since then due to DD being ill/teething and upping her milk intake which stops my period.
It seems like all the other mums with toddlers are pregnant already envy and I want not too big an age gap.
Have just sent DH out to buy some preg tests as I've been having heartburn and abdominal pain but I think I'm obsessing and imagining symptoms. Got lots of BFNs last week but I find POAS so addictive smile

PhilPhil Wed 05-Jun-13 20:36:40

Hi Lovepigeon and welcome! I know exactly what you mean when all your friends seem to be pregnant again and you're still waiting. I'd have liked a smaller gap between my first two, but now I have dd I can't imagine having a different child, so I want the gap I have, if that makes any sense... now wanting dc3, and impatient again...
And Harriet - I definitely had EWCM on and off in the run up to AF coming back, so I would take it as a good sign - both times I have felt things begin to get going down there a couple of months before AF was back.

Victoria2002 Wed 05-Jun-13 22:36:44

I'm back-and so is my AF! Ridiculous as I spent the last week on holiday, DS was sharing our room so went back to feeding every 2 hours at night (was previously feeding 8pm, 2am, 6am and in the day too). Just over a month ago I felt nauseous for two weeks and got really excited thinking I was pregnant...realise now that can be a sign of AF returning. Am gonna start OPK's but I guess my periods could be really erratic for a while.

eggsnbeans Thu 06-Jun-13 06:27:34

Sorry about your BFN Justhayley sad Sucks hat your DH is away at the wrong time too.

AF started again today, giving me an even shorted LP of 5 days confused despite the B6. At least it didn't seem to affect my milk supply at all. Does anyone know if you are best to take it the whole month, or just post ovulation? I started 50mg when I started getting EWCM, then upped to 100mg post ovulation.

Wild - I definitely also noticed patches of EWCM before AF returned, you never know you might even get lucky and catch that first egg!

Wouldbe - do you mixed feed with formula when you're dropping feeds?

Hi to lovepigeon and Catherine, welcome to the thread! grin

CountBapula Thu 06-Jun-13 07:17:51

eggs I think I read that you have to take the B6 pre-ovulation. I just take it every day. Also read that you have to take it with other B vits (eg B12) because just taking B6 can cause deficiencies.

When I posted the other day I thought AF had arrived 4dpo shock but it turned out to be spotting again. I'm now on day 8 post ovulation so the B6 seems to have nudged my LP at least a couple of days. Really don't think I'm pg as I have symptoms of impending AF but good to see the B6 might be doing something.

Wildwaterfalls Thu 06-Jun-13 09:25:57

Ooh what a fast moving thread we have all of a sudden! Good to read everyone's news, and welcome pigeon!

I really agree with those writing about age gaps - ideally we'd like a small gap but you just can choose these things, and things somehow work out no matter what the gap ends up being. I actually get quite annoyed with people advising to have a certain age gap, when they have no idea what is going on with the couple in question. Like the people who kept telling us it was time to think about having children when we had already had two mmc they didn't know about.hmm

MrsHuxtable Thu 06-Jun-13 12:44:45

<budding in with horrible morning sickness>

The B6 needs to be taken all through your cycle and like someone said upthread in combination with a B Complex, but assuming you take pre-conception vitamins, that should be fine as well.

The random patches of ewcm can be your body trying to ovulate but not managing quite yet due to too much prolactin. But it means your on the way and I'm sure AF will be back soon.

<sticks her head bac in the toilet>

WouldBeHarrietVane Thu 06-Jun-13 13:06:43

MrsH sorry about your ms sad hopefully you won't have much longer of it to go, but I remember those toilet-based days all too well.

Huge thanks to Mrs H and Phil for saying the ewcm
is a good sign - that is really encouraging to hear!!

Wild, so sorry to hear about your mmc sad I think you are so right about people making assumptions. We kept getting sympathetic glances because people thought we couldn't conceive fullstop, when actually I had just had a mmc.

Count, probably good news that it's only spotting. Fingers crossed for a longer LP for you this time!

Eggs and victoria, very pleased to hear your AF is back - yay grin

WouldBeHarrietVane Thu 06-Jun-13 21:19:22

Aargh - feeling a bit fed up sad

DH has been unwell part of this week, so hasn't managed to start doing the naps for DS. As a result we haven't dropped another feed yet. I can't see that happening until Monday now.

Will my AF ever come back?? DS is now 23 months and I have pcos and for my bfp with him literally the day before I was due to start clomid.

CountBapula Fri 07-Jun-13 19:53:20

Sorry to hear that, Harriet sad must be v frustrating.

9 dpo here and no sign of AF so B6 definitely doing summat. I also have fluorescent yellow wee from the vitamins shock

Wildwaterfalls Fri 07-Jun-13 20:22:02

Yes Harriet so sorry you're feeling down. I know it is all just anecdotal but I know several people who conceived really quickly the second time after having a difficult time with their first. Really hope AF makes an appearance soon.

Count - excellent news re B6 making a difference! How much are you taking?

No particular news here, just approaching mid-cycle for our first month TTC. DD still feeding quite a bit during the night though.

CountBapula Fri 07-Jun-13 21:05:13

Taking Holland & Barrett's B-50 plus 50mg of B6 on top of that. (Just because I went out and bought the B6, then realised need to take other B vits as well.)

Sorry to bang on about it but the colour of my pee is extraordinary shock grin

WouldBeHarrietVane Sat 08-Jun-13 13:01:40

Thanks count and wild - feeling much much better today!

DH is better and is definitely signed up to do the naps next week - fingers crossed and DS seems to be forgetting about bf when he wakes up either from nap or in the morning and isn't expecting it now iykwim.

Count I am v pleased about your wee (a sentence I never thought I'd say on MN!!) smile

Wild, hope all that swi works - maybe this is your month grin

CountBapula Sat 08-Jun-13 16:39:35

That's great, Harriet.

10dpo now and on day 30 of cycle shock - normally only 24 days. But just got a BFN so it must be just that my LP has lengthened rather than a missed AF. Not too gutted as think DH and I timed it wrong again, and also v pleased at longer LP.

Wildwaterfalls Sat 08-Jun-13 19:33:57

That is excellent news count, longer LP or possibly pregnant smile. Until AF arrives it is still possible, maybe it was too early to test!

Thanks for the vitamin advice - will try it next cycle if this one turns out to have a short LP

CountBapula Sun 09-Jun-13 07:08:31

AF just arrived. So LP was 10 days. Yay.

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 09-Jun-13 08:17:07

Good news, Count! grin

Wildwaterfalls Sun 09-Jun-13 18:06:27

Excellent news count! That is a good LP - think that's what I had when conceiving DD.

Slightly off the topic of TTC while bf: what do others do during the 2ww re things that would be a bad idea when pregnant? Do you assume you're pregnant to be safe? Just had a rather intensive workout which I possibly shouldn't have had but I may be over thinking as usual. Don't think I've ov yet anyway.

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 09-Jun-13 20:29:19

Wild, I am probably not a good person to ask as I am mad ridiculously paranoid because I've had a mmc before, so right from when I start TTC I don't do anything I wouldn't do if pg iykwim. I'm sure your workout probably wouldn't do any harm, but I would just go reasonably gently from now on, more because it will worry you than for it being a definite risk.

Wildwaterfalls Mon 10-Jun-13 09:17:46

Thanks Harriet, and so sorry about your mmc.

I think I am a little bit like you re paranoia cautiousness. Will take it easy from now on! I'm sure DH is looking forward to another x months of "Do you think that fish was ok to eat? Really? Do you think it was cooked properly? Ooh I hope it was ok..." gringrin

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 10-Jun-13 10:25:38

Thank you Wild and yes, I know exactly what you mean:

Me: DH do you think that sauce contained egg?
DH: no, sure it didn't
Me: I think it was foamy - must have been egg in it only lightly cooked - what if salmonella etc etc grin

I've got DH doing the nap today so I've gone out to work when I don't really need to be in - DS cried when I left and then I felt really horrible sad he is with DH though and I have to remind myself that in ten years time he won't care how often he was bf but he WILL be pleased he has a sibling.

Wildwaterfalls Mon 10-Jun-13 19:16:26

That is a very good way to think about it! It's so hard, isn't it? How did he do having his nap in the end?

I'm finding nighttime particularly hard at the moment - trying not to feed but she nosedives to my breast when I pick her up!

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 10-Jun-13 21:32:04

Yes it's very difficult. An hcp recently v kindly said I didn't need to feel bad as I've 'given him a premium start' which I'm also trying to hold onto. Everyone on here has done brilliantly to still be bf.

The nap went fine - DH did it and DS slept ok!! I haven't broken it to DH yet that this is going to be permanent on the days he has him - poor man grin

How many times do you think you are feeding a day now?

eggsnbeans Mon 10-Jun-13 22:36:46

Thanks for the info on needing to take B6 for the whole cycle smile IKWYM Count about it making your wee a really weired colour too! Took me a couple of days to work out the cause! Great news on your LP being 10d too. Mine was only that long before, so hopefully I can get back there again.

AF finished so now just in the limbo period before SWI begins in earnest! I bought a fertility monitor when I was ttc DD, (after over 2 yrs trying) but conceived before I had a chance to use it, so have dug it out to try now. So will see if that helps smile

Have been a bit sad the past couple of days as 2 close friends have just announced baby no 3 on the way. Both had 1st child just as we were starting ttc and 2nd ones 15m old. so envy envy envy but still very happy for them. Had a bit of a moan to DH last night about why was it always so difficult for us and so easy for everyone else I know!

Wild - I am slightly paranoid during 2ww (or really now 1ww!)... TMI but I had terrible thrush last week and wouldn't take a diflucan 'just in case' so suffered on until AF arrived! And I don't drink alcohol, but not so paranoid about food! I think I was when I started ttc DD, but got slacker as it took longer!

How are the naps going Wouldbe?

Sorry to hear about the sickness MrsH! Hope it doesn't last too long brew

Wildwaterfalls Tue 11-Jun-13 09:37:55

That's great news on the nap front Harriet! Well done your DS (and DH)!

In terms of number of feeds - we're now down to 7am, 7pm plus any night feeds - usually once or twice.
During the day DD gets two bottles - by necessity as I am going back to work soon so she'll be at nursery hmm.

Eggs good luck with the SWI!! I know what you mean about the 2ww being more like a 1ww these days..

If I'm back to a 30-31 day cycle (but who knows?) I'll be peeing on 100 sticks getting AF around the 25th. Aargh! smile

lovepigeon Tue 11-Jun-13 23:23:02

Hi good to hear from everyone, still no sign of AF for me which is starting to get really annoying - last period was beginning of April so have no idea when I will next be fertile. And plenty of BFNs so I'm definitely not pregnant (though that doesn't stop me testing all the time). I'm annoyed we didn't TTC during the two cycles I had at the start of the year as I had more fertile signs back then but DH was not sure he wanted a second one at that point. Of course as soon as he made his mind up my cycle has stopped.
DD has been eating more and so drinking less milk though still feeds around 3 or 4 times a day and at night. We co-sleep but I have just in the last 2 weeks got her to start the night in her own bed and then move her to our bed when she first wakes which is sometimes after 4 hours but more often after 1.

WouldBeHarrietVane Wed 12-Jun-13 08:21:50

Wild, that sounds like you are on around the same number of feeds a day as me. Hopefully the swi will pay off this month and you will get a bfp! It's great you have your AF back. I remember all those days of poas!!!

Pigeon, how frustrating for you! sad fingers crossed for your AF to come back soon. Sounds like a very good idea re the co-sleeping.

DH has done very well doing the naps - proud of him smile and DS hasn't minded too much going down without milk either before or after. He gets ravenously hungry after his nap, though and is wolfing down whole bananas mid afternoon grin

Next step for us now I'm not feeding at all from 5 am to 7.45 pm is to hope that the new nearly 15 hour gap in feeds is enough to trigger AF. I'm going to wait until he is two (around 3 weeks) before dropping any more feeds and just hope AF comes back.

When he is 2, if still no AF, I am going to get DH to put him to bed at night, so there will be no bedtime feed. I always compensate for dropping feeds by spending a lot of very good quality time with him during the day, as I think he needs that when he's not getting the closeness of bf. At that stage I would be down to 3 feeds in 24 hours (at night when we co sleep).

I still don't want to night wean unless absolutely necessary and hopefully as he gets mote used to going to sleep without milk he will find it easier to get back to sleep at night without feeding when he wakes. Anyone found this?

FlibberFlobber Wed 12-Jun-13 08:26:56

I have a 9 mo DC and looking to start TTC#2!

I have started folic acid but haven't had AF yet so not expecting to be successful for a while.

eggsnbeans Thu 13-Jun-13 09:40:23

Have just received preg announcement no 3 for the week... again DC 3 with DC 1 announced just as we were ttc no1! I think my friends must all be synchronised or something! envy

I'm a bit confused over the whole vit B6 thing blush ... should you take extra on top of a vit b complex (the ones I have looked at have from 10-50mg b6 in) or does that then put all the b vits out of balance? Or are you best off to take a B100 with 100mg of everything in it? Arghhh it's all so confusing confused

DD has dropped down to 5 feeds the past couple of days, I've even tried to feed her more (worrying she doesn't get enough) but she just stops after a few sucks so hopefully she'll start eating more solids shortly and it'll help my hormones get backin shape grin . Does anyone else here still do a dream feed? I do one just as I go to bed and have been thinking about stopping it for ages but DD often wakes up crying at that time and it's the quickest way to get us all to bed. blush I'm also a bit worried she'll start waking up at 4am for a feed! Should I just man up stop it and see what happens? Arghhhhh anything that may potentially disrupt sleep further is never popular!

How annoying about not ttc earlier pigeon! And about not getting AF or a BFP!

that's awesome that you still cosleep at 2 WouldbeHarriet! i really wanted to cosleep but DD thrashes around so much there was no sleeping going on! Even now it's like she can't stop moving to go to sleep confused

Wildwaterfalls Thu 13-Jun-13 11:49:47

grin At Harriet's DS wolfing down whole bananas! That's so cute. DH and I had a misunderstanding on the feeding front last night - I was going out but fed her her bedtime feed before I left. Then said something to DH about a bottle if he really couldn't settle her. But he thought he was supposed to give a bottle so at the first sign of her stirring she got one (only 1h after bf), and gobbled it all up as if she hadn't eaten for a long time grin

Pigeon that must be do frustrating... I may very well be in the same boat - have had one AF and really hoping the next one will turn up on schedule (or a BFP..).

Welcome flobber!

I know what you mean re B vitamins eggs, not entirely sure what I am skin either. Haven't started yet but was thinking maybe 50mg alongside my pregnacare? So hmm re pregnancy announcements... It is really hard because of course you're pleased for them, but it is still a bit frustrating.

WouldBeHarrietVane Thu 13-Jun-13 17:26:16

Flipper, hopefully it won't be a long wait and welcome aboard.

Eggs, the pg announcements stink a bit - so many people I know have already had number 2!

Wild, your poor DH - sounds like exactly the sort of thing my DH would do smile

We had a disaster on the map front today - DH just couldn't get DS to settle so I had to come back and do the nap. Poor DS was upset sad I think he was really over-tired though and that DH then just lost his confidence with settling him.

lovepigeon Fri 14-Jun-13 21:52:57

I'm hoping AF will be soon as I have been feeling really down and unattractive and tired this week like I normally do when premenstrual. Had a bit of an awkward decision I had to make yesterday - need to have either a CT scan which they could have done there are then or an MRI which will involve waiting at least 1 month. However doctor advised no breastfeeding for 24 hrs if CT scan due to the contrast they use and I couldn't face the thought of having to suddenly out of the blue (from her perspective) not allow DD to bf for a whole day. So I opted for the mri - did I do the right thing? Its not for anything serious just a cyst. Also I couldn't say for sure that I was not pregnant since no period since April so that also makes it harder to do a CT.

WouldBeHarrietVane Fri 14-Jun-13 22:25:22

Love, I may understand a bit what you are going through - when ds was 8 months I had a growth (completely benign) but had to be removed as it wasn't growing in a very good place. They wanted to do a scan to make the op to remove it more accurate, which they said would mean I needed to stop bf as it was radioactive. I chose a different scan that only required cessation of bf for 30 hours.

I think you are doing something lovely for your dc by waiting. I got really useful info from the drugs in bm line run by the bfn - Wendy Jones. She has info about scan properties too. Maybe you could check the info you've been given already with her?

What is the treatment plan re the cyst?

skylark101 Fri 14-Jun-13 22:31:45

Dear all, i havent been on this thread for a while but wanted to ask your advice. Im delighted to hear about BFPs and sending many good thoughts to people waiting for theirs.... Let them come soon!

Ive just realised I'm pregnant (v early days).. Im 40 and am BF my 21 month old. I had a lot of debate with my OH as he was insistent i would have to give up BF to get pregnant again... but i really didnt want to. We have been trying since November. Anyway it looks like it has worked without having to give up - yippee.

Does anyone know about BF once you are pregnant. Is it true that babies go off your milk? If you BF too much is there a risk that it hinders the pregnancy in early days? Im 5 days post when my period would normally come. The last week i had to travel for work Mon-Thurs so didnt breastfeed then. But now im back my daughter is making up for it. I dont feed her at night but a couple of times in the day. Hoping this will be ok pgy wise. But im also wondering if she feeds a lot I hope my body wont decide that a pgy is too much. anyone know about this sort of thing?

thank you.

MrsHuxtable Fri 14-Jun-13 23:38:50

Hello skylark! Congratulations.

Breastfeeding is safe in pregnancy and shouldn't impact on it. I'm currently 9 weeks and DD is happily feeding away. I thought there was a short drop in supply at 7 weeks or something but am not sure. DD is not complaining so far.

eggsnbeans Sat 15-Jun-13 05:44:50

Hi Skylark, Great news on your BFP! I know a couple of ladies who are preg and bf without and problems, so don't think there is much risk to the pregnancy (although definitely worth discussing with your midwife smile ). There's a book by the LLL about tandem feeding and feeding whilst pregnant too! I think some people find their milk dries up at around 5-6 months, but lots of people tandem feed, so it can't happen to everyone!

Wildwaterfalls Sat 15-Jun-13 10:32:58

Congratulations Skylark! So exciting. Have just been doing a bit of reading up on bf while pregnant and there is a lot of positive information out there. I found the kellymom article quite good.

Hope things go ok with your scan pigeon. What a difficult decision. But lovely that with this route you can continue bf.

My cycle seems to be a bit all over the place. I thought last weekend was crucial for SWI, but now I have EWCM today??? Not at all sure when ov has been / will be. Also feeling nauseous and lightheaded this morning <<hopeful emoticon>> but that's probably just the shock of having a rare lie-in grin

WouldBeHarrietVane Sat 15-Jun-13 21:01:08

Yay Skylark - congratulations grin as everyone has said its no problem at all to tandem feed - LLL have loads of info and you can always call the helpline if you have any queries.

Wild, I would just continue to swi when you see the ewcm - you never know ... grin

PhilPhil Sat 15-Jun-13 22:23:23

Yes, I fed ds while pregnant with dd (although only 2 feeds a day, down to 1 a day by the time she was born). I couldn't bear to stop because it was the only way I could get him to keep napping - and I really needed an afternoon nap while he slept! I then sort of tandem fed, and guess I still am - ds just feeds occasionally (earlier I posted that he had stopped, but he started again!). But ds was only feeding once a day when dd was born, so I didn't feel like a really proper sort of tandem feeder!

skylark101 Sun 16-Jun-13 10:07:50

Hi, thank you so much for your advice. That is really reassuring. I read the kellymom article which is v helpful too - wish id found it a few months ago when we were having the arguments re bf or not! My LO seems to be feeding a bit less, but maybe partly as my supply dropped when away. But hopefully we will keep going strong. Good luck with your scan pigeon.

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 16-Jun-13 20:25:59

Sounds like a good call, Sky!

We're bracing ourselves here for dropping the going down for nap feed. From here on in DS will no longer be fed to sleep at nap time, which makes me a bit sad as I will miss those cosy times! however, as I'm nearly 39 and STILL have no AF sad I have to take action. Current feeds will then be:

Going to bed
2.5 to 3 hours after bed
3 am
5 am

He is going to be two in few weeks and at that stage if AF is not back we will consider two things:

Taking DS up only when completely ready for bed so bedtime feed is shorter; and/or

Dh doing bedtime.

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 16-Jun-13 20:27:38

Forgot to say, as we co-sleep I'm also considering feeding DS to sleep on the other side of the bed and then going back to my usual side as apparently that can reduce night feeding. Has anyone tried this and did it work?

Wildwaterfalls Mon 17-Jun-13 09:27:03

Oh Harriet I really hope AF will come soon for you! Shortening the bedtime feed might help - I read earlier on this thread (although it may have been you who said it to begin with!) that the length of feeds is also really crucial in getting AF back.

We're not co-sleeping so don't know the answer to your other side of the bed question, but it sounds like something worth trying.

Nausea, bloating and cramping this morning here which could be a) ovulation b) AF coming already or c) completely unrelated to cycle things... So in a nutshell: no idea what's going on with my body!

We'll keep going with the SWI, we just don't seem to 'do' relaxed TTC - even though we said we'd be laid back about it for the first couple of months we can't help but give it a serious go! smile

skylark101 Mon 17-Jun-13 18:26:23

Hi Harriet, those sound like good ideas to try. I dont know if it is relevant for you. But it definitely rang true for me when i read in the kelly mom article that is often when there is a marked shift in your feeding pattern that AF comes back. For me it was when i gradually cut out night feeds and got my DH to soothe her back to sleep in the night. I would have loved to try co-sleeping but we didnt agree on it so didnt do it... Anyway that probably made that bit a little bit easier.

The other thing ill mention just in case of help to anyone is Foresight. I really believe in them and found it something positive to do when i was getting frustrated. You send a bit of your hair off and get an analysis back which gives an exact reading of your mineral status and what to supplement. I did this before conceiving DD1. I forgot about it when we agreed to try again for no 2. But after some time of no joy went back to it and have been on their supplement prog since Jan. I might be wrong but think that helped get my body into the mindset when ok to go for no 2. Possibly something like this cd help with getting AF back. If you google them (foresight preconception) and call them up they are v sympathetic and often give good advice over the phone.

Im still v early days so hoping this pgy holds!

Victoria2002 Mon 17-Jun-13 18:42:36

I don't have much news but am continuing to follow and wish everybody good luck! Here I am on day 19 of my first cycle and still b/f ds 10.5m more or less on demand, especially as we had a holiday and then he was teething so some days I feel I'm feeding more than ever. I do try to offer food/water first though. I had a positive OPK today after poas since cd10 I had begun to think it wasn't going to happen! Dp and I had sex on Saturday so that could cover it in theory but cross your fingers and will try again today if I don't get home too late.

LittleMouseontheDairy Mon 17-Jun-13 23:28:31

Hi all,
Can I join? Came to this board as thinking of TTC no 2 and have noticed that my last couple of cycles have started very lightly and only got heavier a few days in. This seems like I have a progesterone problem if my brief and panicky google search is right. So I'm a bit concerned..
I'm still bf 15 mo DS, my periods came back at 9 months and have been a pretty regular 27 day cycle so I was actually feeling quite optimistic until I thought about the implications of the long light phase to my af. Arse.
I'm 34 (soon to be 35) so a bit anxious that it's all going pear shaped just like the Daily Fail always harps on about
Anyone have a similar period-thing? And if I can gather correctly - I should take 50-100 mg of B6 every day on top of a general B-complex vitamin? And some Agnus castus?
Sorry for the essay! And congrats to those with BFPs!

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 18-Jun-13 06:46:27

Wild, fingers so crossed for you and I sympathise - we can't do casual TTC either!! Thank you for the good wishes for AF to come - maybe this will be the month smile

Skylark, thank you for the kind thoughts and great advice - I will definitely look into all that. Sending you nice sticky vibes and for the next few weeks until the 12 week scan to fly past.

Victoria, fingers crossed this will be your month for a bfp and I'm sending you some thanks for continuing to bf - it's an amazing gift for him.

Mouse, welcome to the thread. Hopefully you'll get a bfp nice and quickly! Most people who are still bf when they TTC do get a bfp while still bf, so in theory it shouldn't be too much of a concern. How old are you, if you don't mind me asking?

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 18-Jun-13 07:58:42

Mouse, it was an early start for me - completely misread the bit about your age !! blush sorry

I've had 2 bfps - one mmc and DS. In case it helps, Pg 1 was when I was almost 35 then DS was born when I was 36 so I wouldn't be too worried about age. I'm almost 39 and my mother thinks I'm mad to still be bf DS. We couldn't have tried any sooner anyway as DH was unwell and is only just getting better.

LittleMouseontheDairy Tue 18-Jun-13 08:12:53

Thank you WouldBeHarrietVane! I wouldn't be especially worried about my age per se if it wasn't for this weird 'very light' start to my period which just seems a little worrying.
I think mine thinks I'm a bit mad to still be bf too. And I haven't told her it might have an impact on any potential TTC! that would certainly agitate her. Should have known one grandchild wasn't enough smile
Are you taking any vits? (Sorry if this is mentioned up-thread, ignore if so!)

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 18-Jun-13 08:23:04

Well, you might get a bfp really quickly then she'll never have to know smile

I'm taking folic acid but nothing else.

eggsnbeans Wed 19-Jun-13 05:42:28

Hi and welcome mouse smile

Harriet, sounds like you have a good plan with putting DS to bed on the other side smile I hope he doesn't find it too weird confused

Are you 2WWing Wild? FX for you

I was wondering, how long are you ladies planning on continuing BF for? I had always planned on stopping at 12m, but not I'm getting close to that, thinking about stopping is making me feel a bit sad hmm so now... I dunno!

I am CD14, no sign of ovulation, my fertility monitor hasn't even predicted when that's going to be (should tell me 5 days in advance!), although I had 30-68d cycles pre-pregnancy, so not exactly a good baseline!

As a dash of hope for anyone whose AF hasn't yet returned hmm I was reading BF textbook (borrowed from Dr friend) and it had a table comparing 4 different studies on child spacing while BF. Anyway, the average birth interval was 22m when AF returned at 7 or 8m, 23m when AF returned at 11m and 25m where AF returned at 15m. So bugger all difference when next child was born, even when AF returned 8 months later! (apologies if that makes no sense at all)

lovepigeon Wed 19-Jun-13 21:30:23

Harriet I'm not sure about the treatment plan as I have not seen my consultant yet, I think the options are monitor it or remove it surgically. Its on my spleen which is quite rare apparently so there is not much info on the net although I have learnt that there is a risk you have to have whole spleen removed. Not causing me any symptoms though.
How did your op go - did you have to have a GA? It must have been hard going into hospital and leaving your DS.
In other news I just got a BFP. I can't tell anyone other than DH as it is early days (had a negative test on Monday so must be quite early but thought at least I can chat about it on mumsnet smile )
However I'm really worried as I had a dental xray last tuesday, do you think it might have harmed the pregnancy? Internet says radiation dose is low but I'm really angry at myself for letting the dentist give me one as there was no need (nothing wrong with my teeth) and now I'm obsessing about the harm I might have done! Panic ...

WouldBeHarrietVane Wed 19-Jun-13 21:36:08

Just reading en route to sorting some chores - will post properly later.

Yay about your bfp love grin

Please don't worry about the X-ray - NHS page says virtually no risk to the baby from a dental X-ray:

www.nhs.uk/chq/pages/2294.aspx?categoryid=54&subcategoryid=130

Wildwaterfalls Wed 19-Jun-13 22:14:38

Yippie lovepigeon a BFP!! Brilliant news! So pleased for you!

Harriet how is it going with the sleeping on the other side? Have you been trying that yet?

Welcome mouse! Re vits: I'm taking pregnacare breastfeeding ones, and may add a 50mg B6 to that if it turns out I have a luteal phase issue.

Yes eggs, 2ww here. Eyeing up the FR tests but making myself wait until the weekend. Don't think it has happened this month anyway...

eggsnbeans Thu 20-Jun-13 07:13:02

Yay Lovepigeon so excited for you grin tell us the secret!!! Def don't worry about the xray, doses are very low and they are very concentrated on teeth/head so very very low by the time you get to uterus.

ooh at least you're getting a proper 2ww wild! That's exciting and very promising! I've been having lots of pg symptoms but had a period 2w ago so def not pg! Can almost convince myself sometimes though hmm

LittleMouseontheDairy Thu 20-Jun-13 12:04:21

Congratulations lovepigeon! Fab news.

Thanks Wildwaterfalls I was thinking of getting the Pregnacare conception ones and adding B6. I went to Holland and Barrett and got some B6 but it's 100mg not 50mg. Is that too much?

Af still in it's very scanty phase. Boring!

Wildwaterfalls Fri 21-Jun-13 08:03:34

Mouse I'm not sure re 100mg. All I did was a quick google which seemed to suggest 100mg was the maximum recommended amount per day, and because I was already taking pregnacare I chose 50mg. But these weren't any 'official' websites, so not sure it this is right. Someone else might know?

Caved this morning and POAS, but BFN hmm. Funny how I am really disappointed even though it is too early to be testing, and I didn't expect success this month anyway. Now I have to be really strict and not test until Tuesday, when AF is actually due (if my previous 30 day cycles have returned, which is a big if!).

Wildwaterfalls Fri 21-Jun-13 08:41:02

Oh and a quick question for you all: last night when I was obsessively googling all aspects of TTC while BF surfing, I read that if you conceive while BF, you are 9x more likely to conceive twins! Wow! Do you think this is true?

I'd love to have twins, always kind of hoped for this, but DH thinks it would be such hard work especially with DD still so small... Which it would be of course! But fun!

<<Off to visit the multiples forum for a straw poll re breastfeeding>>

Lis999 Fri 21-Jun-13 13:14:13

Hi all! I haven't been on in a while but I wanted to update that I got my BFP this week! My DD is 13 months and feeding morning and evening. smile So it is definitely possible to get pregnant while nursing!!!

Wildwaterfalls Fri 21-Jun-13 17:41:52

Congratulations!! That is wonderful news. Gives us all hope grin

WouldBeHarrietVane Fri 21-Jun-13 18:30:28

Congratulations Lis smile

eggsnbeans Sat 22-Jun-13 03:32:54

Congrats Lis smile

Wild, i've heard that about twins too! I always wanted to have twins too, but one of the mums in my coffee group has twins and now I definitely don't! And she has been extremely lucky with 2 verrrry chilled out babies that slept through from 3m, 1 baby just lies around and stares at things all day and never cries, and the other has just started crawling and rarely cries! They BF essentially non stop from 5pm-9pm, only stopping for a bath! So think one at a time will do now confused

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 23-Jun-13 10:46:40

Back on quickly just to say we've had a bit of a train wreck this week with cutting down on the bf.

I had the bright idea the day before yesterday that he would drift off without bm in the car. He didn't. He then fell asleep while playing at 5, woke at 8 and was awake and running around until 10pm shock in the end I had to go back to bf him down for his nap to get his routine back!!

Anyway, today is a new day and of the last 2 weeks, DH has done the naps on around 9 days, so we are trying again today and are going to be consistent from now on. Keep your fingers crossed for us!!!

Hope all well with all of you and sending bfp vibes to all doing the 2ww and swi! Also sending AF vibes (what a thought!!) to anyone like me whose AF hasn't yet come back.

Wildwaterfalls Sun 23-Jun-13 21:55:13

Oh that does sound like a tricky departure from your routine Harriet. It's so annoying how everything affects the next thing isn't it - late nap means late to bed, which might mean not enough sleep, usual nap routine doesn't work the next day etc etc. Hope things are back on track. It sounds like it is actually going really well do with your DH doing the naps: 9 times sounds like a great achievement.

I am feeling really proud of myself for not POAS since Friday morning. AF hasn't arrived yet and the longer it stays away the better as at least it means good things for the luteal phase. I don't know when I ov though - need to start tracking this again.

Just a positive thought about bf: DD was unwell last night, almost 39 degrees fever, and it was so nice to be able to comfort her with nn. She fed a lot during the night, but it was lovely that it seemed to make her feel better.

Wildwaterfalls Sun 23-Jun-13 21:56:37

Comfort her with bm that should say, not nn!

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 24-Jun-13 07:54:34

Hi Wild, yes bf when they are ill is definitely one of the many many benefits smile I also love the snuggling and the fact that it helps DS doze off so fast!! Fx for you and well done for not poas - definitely good news for your lp if nothing else.

Things are getting a bit better here - DH did manage to do the nap yesterday and I think he now gets why we have to try and get my AF back. The average person takes 9 months plus to get a bfp at 39 and as I only ov every other month (v long cycle) theoretically that means 18 months for us shock

Wildwaterfalls Tue 25-Jun-13 07:55:16

BFN this morning but still no AF...

Maybe my cycles are still all over the place hmm

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 25-Jun-13 08:52:23

sad but maybe it's just too early? Or cycles are still gearing up, I guess?

Wildwaterfalls Tue 25-Jun-13 09:26:38

Yes... Maybe. It's cd31 today, but I had a feeling I might be ovulating last Monday so I may only be 8dpo, in which case it is good I guess that AF isn't here yet.

Good news by the way that your DH is on board with the importance of it all. Mine always seems to think there's less of a rush than I do, and wasn't as disappointed as I was this morning...

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 25-Jun-13 13:32:35

Snap Wild!! I think my DH has only agreed to help because he knows it's important to me. The other say he actually said we didn't need to be in a huge rush - I actually said - DH I'm 39! 39! Not young!!

Hopefully you may still get some good news than if its only 8dpo! smile

WouldBeHarrietVane Wed 26-Jun-13 00:40:52

Quick update from Harriet Towers, the land of no AF smile

It is day 3 of our no bf down to nap policy and so far it seems to be working! DS has gone down without bm for DH absolutely fine without any upset at all for three days running.

So currently we are down to maybe 3 feeds - one feed before bed and whatever he has at night, which currently seems to be one feed around 11.30 and one at 5 am. Although as we co-sleep I'm not actually 100% sure grin

No sign of AF still, though. If nothing by mid July when DS turns 2 I am going to get DH to do all the night time routines to cut out the bf before bed. Really don't want to do that, but I do need my AF back!

How is everyone else doing?

eggsnbeans Wed 26-Jun-13 03:54:50

Sounds like a good plan Harriet smile I remember my NCT lady talking about when AF came back... she said her 3rd child it didn't come back until 2 months after she stopped BF (he was 2yrs), then her 4th child AF came back at 3m! Most things I've read say that sudden changes in feeding often trigger it, so hopefully it'll work for you smile

FX Wild, looking promising so far!

Still no sign of ovulation here (CD21) so just keeping the SWI going and hoping it happens some time soon! DD is also cutting 2 more teeth and has generally been grumpy all week too, so I guess the increased feedings probably aren't helping much. I also used to regularly have 60d cycles Harriet so know how frustrating they are when you are ttc. Did you ever get diagnosed with a cause for yours? My dr didn't even seem to think that having terribly irregular periods was a problem. hmm Typical male!

Wildwaterfalls Wed 26-Jun-13 07:44:16

That is really excellent news re naps Harriet. And no tears/upset either - fantastic! I really hope it will translate into AF coming back soon. Do you feel AF or ov type symptoms sometimes? Looking back I think that's what I had in the month leading up to AF, discharge etc (tmi).

And eggs good for you for keeping going with the SWI! I know exactly how you feel - no idea when I actually ov-ed so just felt we had better keep going smile. Not that it's a chore I guess, but with DD still waking up so regularly at night we were very tired so had to make a specific effort. Are you using a fertility monitor or OPK?

Well, AF arrived here today - I know I'm lucky to have it so won't complain too much. But if I ov-ed when I think (fear) I did, that means a luteal phase of 9 days. That's really short isn't it? Does anyone know if this improved with reduced bf? Not that we're actually managing any reduction at the moment - we're staying at my DPs and DD is eating less well here for some reason, so bf lots at night.

WouldBeHarrietVane Wed 26-Jun-13 08:58:33

Eggs and Wild thanks so much for the support - very much appreciated. Can't talk about my AF to just anyone grin

Eggs, how frustrating, but maybe ov is just about to happen so all your swi will catch the egg smile I have pcos and an underactive thyroid, which probably account for the infrequent ov!

Wild, sorry to hear AF arrived but now at least you have another chance to go for it. I personally wouldn't worry unduly about that lp because I've known people to get pg despite a short lp and I also would have thought it will lengthen naturally over time. I think ten days is usually thought of as ok, so it just needs to lengthen by one day to put you in that ok bracket.

It's funny you mention discharge, because I keep feeling I'm starting AF then going to the loo to find its just that blush I felt quite pmt ish and emotional this week - just keeping fingers so firmly crossed! Also had a slightly unhappy tummy which is usually an AF symptom for me.

WouldBeHarrietVane Thu 27-Jun-13 21:44:37

Eggs, any sigh of ov yet?

How are things, Wild?

Day 6 of the first unbroken run of DH getting DS down at lunchtime!! So, now down to bedtime and night feeding only.

Wildwaterfalls Fri 28-Jun-13 09:03:59

Wow, bedtime and night feeding only - AF can't be far away now. The symptoms you describe below sound very promising, much like I felt before AF turned up. When/how did you drop the first thing in the morning feed by the way? We still have that one, plus bedtime and night.

Things here are fine, except DD still wakes to feed at least twice at night. As we don't co-sleep that means getting up, and waking up properly, twice for me. I think we need to decrease that, for TTC but also for me going back to work. The silly thing is, although she adores her dad during the day, at night if he goes to pick her up she becomes hysterical! How do you guys find DH/DP helping with night wakings working? We even tried putting my t-shirt on him to see if it was a smell thing, but she wasn't fooled!

eggsnbeans Sun 30-Jun-13 03:22:41

Wild, my DH is really good about helping with night wakings (lucky I know!) Although sometimes he tries to be just a bit tooo quick and DD ends up getting more upset and it takes twice as long confused He started doing a bit when she was about 5m and started waking up a lot screaming... if he went in she was fine with a bit of reassurance, but if it was me I had to pick her up and she would be awake for over an hour!

Good work on the feeding reduction Harriet! We seem to be increasing feeds at the moment now rather than dropping. confused DD still eats next to nothing solids wise, so no idea how we're going to cope with me going back to work soon. Seems pointless to switch her to formula for the daytime, then onto cows milk at 12 months. I've just keep hoping that one day she'll just start eating properly!

Don't know what's going on this month still! No EWCM, but some cramps and sore nipples for a couple of days, so perhaps it sneaked up on me??? Will find out in a week or so I guess when AF arrives! I think this is probably an anovulatory cycle for me though sad

Wildwaterfalls Mon 01-Jul-13 14:07:42

Ooh eggs that sounds quite promising with sore nipples etc. Any more symptoms? When is AF due? Fingers crossed for you!

We had another go at DH settling DD during the night last night and it went better than usual: no hysterical screaming. She did calm down and go back to sleep but kept waking, so in the end I fed her anyway. But some progress!

We're gearing up for another month of SWI at this end... AF finished. Thinking of investing in one of those OPK stick sets this month, but we are abroad at the moment staying with DPs so not sure if they sell them here too.

How is it going with the naps Harriet? And remember when AF arrives we want to be the first to know grin

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 02-Jul-13 09:22:38

grin Wild - you will all be the first to know!!

You asked about dropping the morning feed - I got out a musical toy DS absolutely loves and when he woke up in the morning and wanted to latch on I started up the toy, which distracted him. This worked really well and now he no longer expects to feed when he wakes up. He was around 22 months when I dropped that one iirc.

Eggs, with solids I wouldn't worry unduly - I think all of a sudden they often just 'click' with solids and start eating more. The bf then gradually reduce alongside them eating more. I always tried to remember 'food is for fun until you're one' when DS was this age when I was wondering about quantity of solids. He now eats solids like a little horse and was perfect weight for height at his one year check. I expressed a bit when I first went back - he was one - and it was absolutely fine. The bf has been so handy and comforting for him during toddler illnesses, so I'm glad we didn't switch to ff.

Things are definitely going better here - DH has done very nap from last Sunday on, so we are on day 10 of no feeding between 5 am and 7.30 pm. Surely AF can't be far away now?! smile I had a horrific migraine yesterday and have read that can happen when you get your AF back after bf, so am trying not to get too excited!!

eggsnbeans Thu 04-Jul-13 06:31:49

Thanks Harriet smile I think she must actually have started eating a bit more as we only do 4 feeds a day now, will hardly even accept a 5th feed if offered! I think I get worried as most of my NCT group are doing purees and one of the babies that is 7.5m is eating 5 large tablespoons three times a day! Although I will also say that this baby has gone from chubby to extremely fat in the past 6w since I last saw her!

No news here still sad Although I have cramps, headaches and a mouth ulcer, sure signs AF must be here anyday. The B6 makes me slightly nauseous, even on a full stomach, which has my brain thinking it's MS for a couple of seconds until it remembers it's from the B6!

Did you get some OPKs Wild? I think I'll try them next cycle too. Never had much success with them when we were ttc the first time, but I probably just need to use them on more days each cycle. Would love to do the whole SMEP but don't think poor DH could cope blush! Keep joking that I should swap him for a 19yr old version grin. Ah the joys of getting old!

Wildwaterfalls Fri 05-Jul-13 21:32:14

Ah yes the SMEP, brilliant in theory but a bit hard in practice when you're ancient exhausted like DH and I! Managed to get hold of the OPKs, bought two sets of 7 so will start with then tomorrow to be certain to catch ov. Obsessed, me?

I know how you feel eggs re: other babies eating more. We're doing BLW and it seems that only recently DD has realised food is not just another toy. And some of her NCT friends are still eating loads more! But it doesn't matter at all... As long as they're healthy and growing!

Any AFs arriving? Harriet, although I know it is not very common I suppose you could actually get pg before AF arrives, especially if you are having ov symptoms. I do have one friend who had that happen. But if not hope it all starts soon.

Looking forward to hearing how everyone is doing!

WouldBeHarrietVane Fri 05-Jul-13 22:28:09

Hi all, still no AF despite the horrific migraine, loads of discharge - tmi blush and the ewcm earlier in the month!! Surely has to be soon now grin DS is 2 next week and I worked out today that I've only had 3 AF since Jan 2010!

Fingers crossed for both of you to get bfps soon, Wild and Eggs - I remember from last time how the swi gets a bit exhausting smile

eggsnbeans Sun 07-Jul-13 02:47:46

AF arrived on Friday sad so B6 not having any effect yet it seems sad Although this cycle has been a couple of days shorter, but considering how irregular I've always been that's probably just me!

I had been thinking the same Harriet that you might be one of the lucky ones that gets pg before AF returns. grin I have read that the later AF comes back, the more likely the cycle is to be fertile, so you should have some superduper eggs about to pop!

It's weird, my brain seems to have forgotten that I have conceived, baked, hatched and been feeding a child in the past 18 months, and not ttc! blush I keep getting the old thoughts that we have been ttc for ages and are never going to be blessed with a baby... then kick myself and remember that this is only my 4th cycle, my hormones are still a bit screwed and I have a gorgeous DD!

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 07-Jul-13 07:01:31

Eggs, sorry about AF and the short cycle thing. If you were irregular before your last pg though you are probably just going back to that, as you say.

I was talking about this with a friend as I think when you start to TTC a mental switch gets flicked so you suddenly really really want a baby immediately. You am me along for a bit, then decide to try in a relaxed way and then it becomes charting and swi with intensity pretty quickly - or maybe that is just me grin

I hope I do indeed get a bfp without AF - would be lovely - thanks for the bfp vibes both of you!

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 07-Jul-13 07:01:59

Not an me - amble - thanks phone

skylark101 Sun 07-Jul-13 20:54:34

Hi all, just checking in to say hello. The progress on naps / getting DH involved sounds good Harriet. That was also the route we went, as impossible for me to get my DD down without feeding. My pgy seems to be going ok. ;-) No sign of DD going off BF, she still goes for it 2-3 times a day, though sometimes more for comfort/to get herself to sleep if tired. Not sure ill be able to manage tandem feeding as ill be 41 when the new baby arrives. So hopefully DD will gradually cut down. But will just have to see. Sending you all good wishes to hurry up AF for Harriet and BFP for everyone.

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 07-Jul-13 21:18:53

Hi skylark, good to hear your pg is going well and you are still tandem bf. hopefully bf both will go fine when the new baby is here - she will cut down naturally in her own time. Thanks for the good AF wishes!

Wildwaterfalls Sun 07-Jul-13 22:52:59

Hi all

Eggs - sorry to hear about AF. Frustrating isn't it. But 4th cycle really is very early on as you say. And you are so right to point out how lucky we are to have our DCs.

Harriet - must be quite strange in a way to have your AF so eagerly awaited by a forum of Internet friends smile. But really hope it - or that BFP - turns up soon!

Skylark - thanks got checking in and really pleased all is progressing well! Fingers crossed for a smooth bf/weaning transition as time progresses!

All well here, POAS every day now for ov checking purposes. Keep getting excited as there is always a faint second line, but that doesn't count on these type if tests. Lots of SWI anyway - the good news is DH seems on board with the serious trying! But it's almost too hot for it now...

Wildwaterfalls Mon 08-Jul-13 20:01:40

Me again, an odd development here the last three nights...

DD, who is usual fed to sleep, is no longer interested in feeding at bedtime! At least not bf. Why could this be??! It's making me confused and hmm. She does feed during the night and in the morning, but those have always been small feeds compared to the main bedtime feed.

What's going on here? The heat? Something wrong with my milk supply or taste? Self-weaning already?

I know we are all about reducing feeds etc here, but this is not what I wanted! hmm

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 08-Jul-13 20:31:15

Wild, can you remind me how old your dd is? Sometimes they can go on nursing strike a bit when you cut down feeds.

Wildwaterfalls Mon 08-Jul-13 20:38:50

She's 10.5 months now. After lots of rocking and cuddling I just managed to settle her down to feed but it took a long time. And even then she regularly comes off and/or bites.

It does coincide with it getting warmer so maybe it's that. Heat wave please stop!

DH thinks it is time to switch to bedtime bottles but I would really prefer not to. Plus aren't they bad for teeth as well?

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 08-Jul-13 20:45:35

They definitely are bad for the teeth - I would stick with bf to sleep as your AF is already back - cosy, free and easy! Bf provides the majority of a bf baby's calories until one and up to a third until 2 and is still massively important for the immune system. You can tell I'm a fan!!

Could possibly be the heat - DS has struggled to nap and get to sleep at night this week, though heat seems to make him feed more.

My weaning book - the LLL one, how weaning happens, says that sometimes if you are weaning they get a bit fed up and can express that by partial/complete nursing strike. How often are you feeding now and have you just dropped another feed?

Wildwaterfalls Mon 08-Jul-13 21:09:30

Thank you - really helpful to have your advice and support smile.

Not dropped any feeds recently - we are on bedtime, morning and 1-2 night feeds at the moment and have been for a while.

You'd think that heat would make DD drink more, wouldn't you? She has lots of water during the day, but I was wondering whether she just doesn't want the closeness and warmth of bf right now.

My next theory is maybe I'm dehydrated - I'm not very good at remembering to drink which is obviously worse in this weather.

Anyway, will struggle on and hope it passes!

Wildwaterfalls Tue 09-Jul-13 22:40:23

Harriet - thanks again. DD fed like a dream tonight - very calm and long feed! So hopefully just a temporary blip!

Hope all is well with naps at that end smile

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 09-Jul-13 23:00:55

Glad to hear it Wild smile

Naps are going great guns here, so now no feeds for 13 / 14 hours during the day for over 2 weeks. Taps foot impatiently... AF where are you?

If my AF isn't back by 2 weeks today I am going to drop the bedtime feed, by getting DH to do bedtime duty. I don't think he will be too happy with this plan grin

eggsnbeans Wed 10-Jul-13 02:41:37

Hi Skylark so glad to hear everything is going well for you smile

Wild, my DD does a similar thing too sometimes... just loses interest and I almost have to force her to BF (not that you can actually do that but you know what I mean hmm ) I have also noticed that she is fussier when I'm ov and just before AF is arriving, so maybe the hormones change the taste???

Harriet you are so right about that mental switch, grin especially as it seems there are suddenly bumps and babies everywhere (and there were never that many before wink ). I think I managed to remain calm about things last timefor about 5 mins 2 months then started reading about charting! blush

Wildwaterfalls Wed 10-Jul-13 09:14:11

Harriet I really hope AF arrives before you have to drop the bedtime feed! 13-14 hours between feeds is a really long stretch, surely that should be sufficient... Any more symptoms?

What would you do if you dropped the bedtime feed? Would DH give DS a bottle or would you go for settling without milk? I can't remember if your DS has bottles at all actually.

Eggs good point re hormonal changes and bf taste. That could very well be the explanation. I was so relieved last night to be back on track. Are you SWI again?

Manically POAS here but no sign of ov yet.

junebaby2011 Wed 10-Jul-13 22:42:31

Hello all-would it be ok if I joined this thread..I am 36 and breastfeeding 25 month old with no sign of AF...I'm thinking this is a long time...toddler feeds couple of times during the day and 4/5/6 times per night (we co-sleep) I would welcome the experience of others...has anyone else gone this long without AF?

Thanks

WouldBeHarrietVane Wed 10-Jul-13 22:58:46

June, glad uou followed the link i sent and welcome smile

we co-sleep too. A few things you probably know already:

- 92% of mothers get their AF back by the time their dc is 2 iirc. We are just in the unlucky 8%
- those practising so-called ecological bf ie feed on demand, carry a lot, co-sleep, take longer to get their AF back than others do (average still 14 months though envy)
- what is now thought to matter is the overall time spent bf in 24 hours, so I've concentrated on reducing that and putting in a break between 6 am and 7pm without bf to see if that will kick start AF.

The longest I've ever read it taking for a mother to get AF back is 3 years.

I think the reasons I'm not getting mine back are ? My pcos / irregular cycle before pg - likely weird hormone levels so my af easily suppressed by bf. I am also very stressed (DH has been ill, made redundant and now told our DS has a hearing problem). I also have a thyroid condition, which I know can also cause issues with regular AF. And I'm ancient smile

Don't know if any of the above helps, but you are definitely not alone.

WouldBeHarrietVane Wed 10-Jul-13 23:02:23

Wild, keeping fingers crossed you catch your egg smile

No more symptoms here and a few days ago had a but more ewcm which made me wonder what on earth is going on confused don't think AF is imminent but will try to keep positive and give it just a little while longer before dropping the night feed. I miss bf him more and don't want to lose that feed yet.

As DS is 2 we are just skipping bottles and I would just go to DS popping him into bed and reading him stories until he falls asleep, which is what we are doing at nap time.

Wildwaterfalls Thu 11-Jul-13 16:01:22

Hi June and welcome! So impressed with you still bf - hope we manage to keep it going that long! Hope AF turns up soon though.

Harriet so sorry to hear re illness and redundancy. It must be a difficult time for you. And the hearing issue as well. I can understand that is very worrying/stressful. What a good thing though that your DS had such a lovely mother who still manages to give him all the comfort/nurturing from bf. Fingers crossed you don't need to drop any more feeds. Just a thought: saw in the shops today that ov sticks are getting more and more sophisticated tracking two different hormones. Don't suppose there is any point in you POAS to get a sense for what's going on? Not sure if that would work as this stage?

CountBapula Thu 11-Jul-13 20:06:16

Hi all. Haven't posted for ages as we were away for the last couple of weeks of June. (Re-cap: bf DS, who's 2.9, about once or twice a day on average; late ov and 8-day lluteal phase, which I managed to bump up to 10 days with vitamin B6).

While we were away I gave up temping because DS was waking in the night (unfamiliar bed etc) and getting up at funny times, and my chart was all over the place. I took the B6 for about the first week of my cycle then it tailed off with all the holiday excitement. What with all the night waking, late bedtimes etc DH and I only managed to DTD twice and rather halfheartedly so in the end decided to look at it as a month off from TTC.

So imagine my surprise when I got a BFP yesterday! shock shock shock! Very definite line on a cheapy test, twice.

Gulp!

Trying not to get too excited because I had an early MC once before and I know bf can make you slightly more prone to it. But it does show that the B6 works!!

WouldBeHarrietVane Thu 11-Jul-13 23:22:05

Yay Count - wonderful news smile I've had a mc too, so totally understand your reticence, but keeping fingers very much crossed for a sticky one for you.

Wild, thanks so much for the really kind words. I've actually been feeling quite down at the moment, so you cheered me up smile maybe I should give the opks a try!

Wildwaterfalls Fri 12-Jul-13 10:17:26

Wow count - fabulous news! Congratulations! It was about time we had a BFP on the thread smile. How are you feeling?

I'm really sorry to hear about your previous mc. And scared to read about a potential link with bf?! Do you know why this is? Fingers crossed though that everything will be fine for you!

Harriet a word of warning if you go for the new sophisticated OPKs..: I couldn't resist yesterday and bought some, but they are a bit more complex than the usual sticks, you have to remove lids and insert things and press buttons, meaning I completely messed it up and had an invalid test blush

Wildwaterfalls Sun 14-Jul-13 22:43:55

How is everyone doing? Surviving the heat I hope! It's certainly making bf a very sticky business!

I'm going a bit mad on the OPK front and using my new sophisticated ones in the morning, and the usual ones in the afternoon. The new ones picked up high fertility earlier (starting yesterday) but the old ones also got a positive result today. So today/tmw is it for trying. Bit frustrated that its already cd20 so no doubt another short LP. Must remember to start bit B6 next cycle.

eggsnbeans Mon 15-Jul-13 08:46:41

Wow Congrats Count! Good luck for your pregnancy grin

I feel your frustration, Wild, I've been oving (or attempting to anyway) around d21 too. Grrrrr! Must try the OPKs next week, maybe I just need to go all out and test twice a day too! I never get positive OPKs, but do get a temp shift, so hope that means I'm oving. confused Good luck for the dtd smile

Wildwaterfalls Mon 15-Jul-13 13:51:03

Thanks eggs... Far too hot really but were putting in a good effort smile. Will be quite happy in a couple of days time when we can have a break, haha.

Yes, I found the OPKs quite handy although a bit pricy. The new clearblue digital ones do seem worth it as they picked up the fertile period earlier, and were also non-ambiguous. With the other ones I'm forever staring at the stick and debating whether both lines are equally strong.

Harriet how are you? Hope you & family are doing ok!

Hi all. Just started TTC #2 (as in... this weekend) - hasn't quite sunk in yet and could probably do with some handholding, but don't want to tell anyone I know irl.

DS is 18mo and was conceived the first month of trying, so I guess I'm kind of expecting it to be that fast this time around as well, but we're not dtd as often (who does, with a toddler?!) and I'm still bf 2 or 3 times a day on average, though only quick snacks rather than prolonged feeds as a general rule.

Until i saw this thread I hadn't even considered that the bf might have an impact as my cycle seems to have gone back into its old routine.

Anyone else with an 18mo old?

Wildwaterfalls Mon 15-Jul-13 15:16:43

Hi Cakes and welcome!

Yes, who knew cycles were affected by bf. I certainly didn't before having children. But if yours seems to be back to normal you may not have any issues at all!

My DD is 10 months but bf roughly the same frequency as you are. Periods are back but I ovulate late in the cycle so short luteal phase. Are you planning to track ovulation etc?

Good luck!

Wildwaterfalls Mon 15-Jul-13 15:17:24

Oh and I think in some cases, cakes are definitely the answer grin

Wasn't planning on tracking things much. I use a Mooncup (TMI alert) so am quite aware of what's going on, but more than that I think I'll leave for the future. Like I said, I'm kind of expecting things to go fast like last time, perhaps if there's no BFP in 2 weeks then I might start getting a bit technical - who knows?!

And the nn is an evolvement of my previous name smile They're never the answer, but sometimes they are a very nice embellishment ;)

Just out of interest... how many days after dtd would you be likely to get an implantation bleed? Would 2 be unlikely?