Yippee Kiyay - it's the BESH Action Hero Thread

(985 Posts)
FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Mon 04-Feb-13 17:58:54

Put on your vest/shades and grab your weapons, it's Action Hero Time.

The BESH are experts in all matters action, but specialise in taking out the local droids and sometimes Druids wink

<stands back to the wall near open doorway, gun in hand>

Cover me, I'm going in!

<leaps through door action hero-stylee>

<lands in a heap>

evilgiraffe Mon 04-Feb-13 18:12:53

<puts on sunglasses>

<walks away from burning wreckage of previous thread>

<cue theme music>

I think I should turn off this painfully dull German arts film and put something a bit more invigorating on instead...

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 04-Feb-13 18:20:22

Tatatatatataaaaah! Tatatatatataah! <flings open door and rolls under table>
<unpins hand grenade and throws through window>

Do we get to swear a lot?

JethroTull Mon 04-Feb-13 18:45:30

<pulls on yellow leather suit>

Nice Fred Frank.

captainmoll Mon 04-Feb-13 18:48:36

<Rolls in under closing door of last thread>
<grabs hat just in time>

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 04-Feb-13 18:50:35

<swings across falling statue using whip with a Whaparrrrrr noise>

evilgiraffe Mon 04-Feb-13 19:11:31

Fuck yeah, we get to swear a lot.

<blows across the barrel of a smoking gun>

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 04-Feb-13 19:27:40


Team BESH?

Northey Mon 04-Feb-13 19:29:51

Muthafuckin' yeah!

FriendofDorothy Mon 04-Feb-13 19:47:12

I am a very tired action hero tonight sad

Fuck, yeah, whatever....

SinkyMalinks Mon 04-Feb-13 20:36:34

<lowers self from ceiling by wire harness>

<helps self to mug of gin>

<returns to BESH lair rafters>

EuroShagmore Mon 04-Feb-13 21:08:47

Team BESH. Luffs it.

<Slings gun casually over shoulder and struts around>

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 04-Feb-13 21:24:57

<Zooms in driving a silver Astin Martin with a bazooka on the roof>

Team BESH Fuck Yeah

<wipes bead of sweat from brow>

SinkyMalinks Mon 04-Feb-13 22:35:32

Er.... Facebook adverts.

Gone are the baby clothes and post pregnancy weight loss.

I've got 3 separate adverts for ivf. One in Norway. Wtf! I am aware of nothing on my facebook that would indicate I'm in the market for ivf.

confused. And [a bit worried]

TWinklyLittleStar Mon 04-Feb-13 22:43:39

<finishes chin ups>
<breaks out of asylum>
<steals cop car, comes squealing round the corner having stopped in Mexico to pick up stashed weapons>

Sinky I think it might have something to do with FB eating your cookies?

<drives out to take out Evil Cookies>

Fuck yeah

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 04-Feb-13 22:45:12

Anyone watching the History??? I love History, me.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 04-Feb-13 22:54:27

Anyone reading the Mooncup thread? Apparently we should bung one up there after SWI. Keeps all the spermz close to the cervix. Worth a shot after three years I'll give anything a go

evilgiraffe Mon 04-Feb-13 22:59:02

I only use my mooncup after SWI when droid is still present, but seeing as I have fortnight-long droids it seems reasonable! Wearing it more than that would do my head in, I think.

evilgiraffe Mon 04-Feb-13 23:00:37

I doubt it works, anyway. All the jizz goes into the cup, but the cervix does not, so how would it help? It is handy for leak prevention, though grin

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 04-Feb-13 23:02:47

The leakage has always bothered me somewhat. You know that first pee after SWI? And it all falls into the loo?

TWinklyLittleStar Mon 04-Feb-13 23:06:48

Doesn't matter apparently. The good sperms shoot up your cervix like Bruce Willis up a lift shaft, and they're the only ones with a chance of getting to the ovary. Zita West says so.

TWinklyLittleStar Mon 04-Feb-13 23:07:41

I am not watching History, as I only got in about half an hour ago. I went swimming after work so I needed to wash my hair and eat everything in sight smile

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 04-Feb-13 23:08:27

MrA had 130 million spermz at the last count, which I'm told is quite something. Unfortunately only 3% are swimming properly.

evilgiraffe Mon 04-Feb-13 23:18:06

Exactly, Twinks, so the mooncup is only going to hold the crappy sperm in the wrong place anyway. I wonder if the man's jizz force ejaculatory velocity has any impact on likelihood of diffage?

captainmoll Mon 04-Feb-13 23:19:36

130 million?! Fuck Yeah!
<fires off several rounds pointlessly into the air>
BE should get his SA results tomorrow. I'm feeling quite nervous more confident than Clint Eastwood faced with a punk on his lucky day.

captainmoll Mon 04-Feb-13 23:23:24

I don't get how moon cup would help really. Seems more likely to encourage thrush or something with the wrong kind of fluid sitting around in yer fanjo for hours.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Mon 04-Feb-13 23:30:00

<command crawls across floor> Looking elegant, of course. Not like a beached whale hmm

Evening schlags! Marking spot to keep an eye on progress. A day for new freds, just started a PESH one too. Rooting for a cluster diff!

I don't think using a mooncup after the sechs is any more helpful than sticking your legs in the air and I'm skeptical about. Surely the rapid swimmers are straight out the starting blocks and up your cervix anyways?

That's a bit weird sinks. Tonight I got a sponsored ad about 'Exploring your fertility' hmm. Generally I get pelvic floor toners confused

<swings off roof using abandoned cable and glides away>

Northey Tue 05-Feb-13 06:19:23

<emerges from camouflage netting in the corner with twigs in hair>

Yo bitches. Ahem.

Nothing much to report. Second swirly mixy injection done, and managed without a big air bubble this morning too. It does make me late to get up though - all the faffing about takes me a good 15 minutes.

EuroShagmore Tue 05-Feb-13 09:50:28

<performs chin ups, pauses>

I also think the good swimmers get propelled through the cervix v quickly (love the Bruce Willis up a lift shaft simile). It's only the crud that would never manage to finish the tubal marathon anyway that would get collected in the cup. Wasn't there a BESH who got diffed from swi when she got up and went for a run afterwards?

I do remember in the halcyon days, when I was still merely contemplating ttc and had an accidental chem preg behind me so I thought I would get diffed easily <hollow laugh>, deciding that I would get up and jump around after swi so that only the really strong swimmers made it though. Extreme natural selection. Now we are down to them being dumped right on top of the egg in a petri dish in a lab in Wimbledon. <sigh>

Rie 130m is amazing. <Has spaff envy>

Well done norf

<resumes chin ups>

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 05-Feb-13 09:56:01

Quit the chin ups. Remember Barry.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 05-Feb-13 09:57:18

Will no one think of Barry?

The thing about him having such amazing spaff is that it brings home how barren I must be sad

HavingALittleFaithBaby Tue 05-Feb-13 10:12:18

Rie I can't believe you got the word 'ignominious' into a chat fred! grin

See when I think of 'Barry', I think of Ben and Holly. My nephew is a bit obsessed with him!

EuroShagmore Tue 05-Feb-13 10:24:50

You're as bad as KFZK, Rie. I'm not going to break! I was actaually planning on gymming tonight after a few days off post EC and ET, but now I have been invited for a drink. Which do you think is the baddest IVF behaviour - exercise or alcohol?*

*Pointless question cos I'm obviously going to go for the drink!

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 05-Feb-13 10:31:04

I use ignominious every day <airy> Doesn't everyone?

Re the question, I've heard a lot against both, Euro, but particularly vigorous exercise.

EuroShagmore Tue 05-Feb-13 10:43:47

I was planning to tone it down a bit, but I have read that exercise is good as it increases blood flow to the womb. It seems there is no common advice on this. My clinic just said nothing too vigorous and no swimming for a few days (because of the infection risk after all the procedures, which is fair enough). I really don't understand the "special" advice that some clinics give to women in the IVF 2ww. Once you have given your body a chance to recover from EC and ET you should be in the same position as any other woman in the 2ww and there the NHS advice is that it is fine to keep doing whatever you were doing before, but not take up any new exercise.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 05-Feb-13 10:45:50

I don't know, to be honest. Just don't go running any marathons.

EuroShagmore Tue 05-Feb-13 10:55:29

I couldn't do that, 2ww, or not!

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Tue 05-Feb-13 11:16:52

I'm in the nothing too strenuous after ov camp. I shall not be doing my Shred again for a few weeks - Wii Fit Step Class and a walk at lunchtime (plus the 3 dance lessons I have booked in the coming 2 weeks grin) will be my limit.

<strips down gun for cleaning>

TWinklyLittleStar Tue 05-Feb-13 11:54:18

<grapples down the side of building>
<crashes in through the window, dusts self down and delivers witty quip>

What type of dance frank? I used to be a fan of a dance class, but I did an adult beginners ballet class and it turned out that I was the only beginner, and the only one there that Heat magazine would describe as 'curvy.' Combined with my lack of natural grace, I did an excellent impression of the hippos in tutus from Fantasia.

euro enjoy your evening out. I am sure that it will relax you, and stress + strenuous exercise = 2 bad things for emBarryO, whereas a little drink is only one slightly, not even really bad thing. Go with the numbers.

JethroTull Tue 05-Feb-13 12:09:31

I agree with everyone else on the drink vs. exercise debate. I stopped running whilst I had the IVF shiz. I walked the dog A LOT though as I felt that keeping moving & getting outside was helpful to my state of mind. Having a drink & being out with friends is the much more favourable option.

I'm having a complete meltdown today. I don't feel diffed at all. No symptoms. I was an hour late for work this morning as I couldn't pull myself together enough to get out of the house.

TWinklyLittleStar Tue 05-Feb-13 12:15:01

The thing with TTC for ages is that we've been symptom spotting for so long, its virtually impossible to imagine being diffed without them. But looking on the boards, and speaking to my sister and some friends, the only symptom they have is lack of droid, maybe a teeny bit of nausea. So do try to not let it worry you.

EuroShagmore Tue 05-Feb-13 12:20:31

Jeff it's normal for symptoms to come and go. Would POAF help do you think?

I've tried stopping exercising in the 2ww. Like everything else, it made no bloody difference. I read up on this quite a lot and I cannot find any scientific reason why resting/not exercising in the 2ww would help. One article I read suggested some clinics advice it because then you have no reason to blame yourself if it doesn't work - not for any non-psychological reason. I do think however that if the ovaries are still swollen after IVF drucks that is a reason not to push your body, not least because you could end up with an ovarian torsion, apparently. On normal/natural cycles I can't see any reason for it. But everyone has to do what they are comfortable with.

But anyway, I will be going for a drink tonight.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Tue 05-Feb-13 12:20:56

Ballroom and Latin Twinks, not veh action hero I know but could be useful for undercover work wink

EuroShagmore Tue 05-Feb-13 12:22:20

*advise not advice.

TWinklyLittleStar Tue 05-Feb-13 12:30:47

frank that way if you find yourself joining rie and making up two thirds of Charlies Angels, you can go to the party and not have to be the angel going undercover as a waitress. Like it.

I have a Day Off today. It is delightful. I almost don't know what to be doing with myself, although I am going to a pub quiz in LondonTown tonight. Happily non-parents will outnumber parents 2:1, so hopefully I won't have to hear about Surestart this time. I'm still not drinking, which could be interesting given that I am being attacked vair painfully by the Droid, and have always found a glass of red wine to be a great help.

<uses time wisely, cleaning out weapons and tempting fate>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Tue 05-Feb-13 12:35:32

Twinks, either that or I can be the femme fatale that seduces the hero wink

Disclaimer - I'm not doing Arnie/Sly/Bruce or any others of that ilk. I will however take one for the team and allow Daniel Craig to shag me senseless grin

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 05-Feb-13 12:48:11

Jeff, thing is my lovely, is you've never been diffed so you don't know how it's supposed to feel. It's only natural to be paranoid after all this time. To echo Euro, could peeing on another fiver help? Seeing the line again?

HavingALittleFaithBaby Tue 05-Feb-13 12:54:39

I pee'd on fivers - well a selection in case one type of test brand was faulty and giving false positives hmm daily for a week jeff. It reassured me to see the lines getting darker. I had days when I hadn't puked for a few hours, that would panic me. Then I'd puke and wish I could stop! But it's early days....it'll depend on what your hormones are doing and how you respond as to how you feel. There's a thread in pregnancy at least once a week where someone expresses exactly the concerns you have. Doesn't mine it's not a sticky bean. Just that everyone is different. My sister never had any sickness, just felt tired.

euro I would go with a everything in moderation approach. During the tww I was drinking and more active than normal (on holiday and cycling everywhere!). Obviously you've had more invasive treatment so take it a bit easier but just try to enjoy yourself smile

FriendofDorothy Tue 05-Feb-13 13:14:09

Jeffers I had next to no symptoms either. No sickness or anything. Just felt bloody knackered but even that fluctuated.

DolomitesDonkey Tue 05-Feb-13 13:33:52

Jeffers I didn't have early symptoms with either of mine and didn't have achey boobs at any point during either pregnancy. I did vomit constantly from 6+3 with #1 and from 4+5 with #2 though. You don't need to be able to tick off all the symptoms to be pregnant and it probably won't feel at all real until your scan. x

DolomitesDonkey Tue 05-Feb-13 13:34:13

Oh actually - early days = 3am wakings for Weetabix - was sooo hungry.

JethroTull Tue 05-Feb-13 13:34:39

Thanks Hags. Just reading this has made me feel better. I am planning to POAS when I get home - just to reassure me. That and eating. Becuase Eating Is Good.

<leaps off side of building attached only to a tampon string>

HavingALittleFaithBaby Tue 05-Feb-13 14:00:38

Eating is vairy important. I got dizzy when I went too long between meals and drinks.

Wish me luck. I'm about to sit through 2 hours training just so I can make my patients a cuppa and a piece of toast of they want one hmm

FriendofDorothy Tue 05-Feb-13 15:16:44

Oh and I POAS and 15 times. Just to make sure I was still diffed!

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Tue 05-Feb-13 18:21:23

<take that motherfucker>

Sorry, got a bit carried away then!

Had a SHIT day. The journey was a bloody nightmare then I had a meeting with a fucktard who normally talks great sense. Well, not today.

Droid is due this weekend. Having womble cramps and can't remember if this is normal. I really wish I'd started a cycle diary when we first began TTC!! Bit late now 2 yrs later.

Northey Tue 05-Feb-13 18:36:54

It is a bit depressing actually, to look back through my cycle diary, bugs. I almost wish I didn't have it.

<straddles hot man on motorbike, firing through his arms with a gun in each hand>

evilgiraffe Tue 05-Feb-13 19:15:11

Me too, Norf <glum> My futility friend shows I am currently on cycle 30, but I only started charting in Sept 2010, having been TTC since the January. It's really depressing.

<shoots at strategically-placed explosives and watches the enemy go up in flames>

On the plus side, I am taking the car in for a service tomorrow, and while I'm in town I shall be getting my hair cut. smile I love having other people wash and dry my hair, it's the most luxurious thing.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 05-Feb-13 19:19:30

I love it too, draf. In fact I find it very sensual.

evilgiraffe Tue 05-Feb-13 19:27:08

My hairdresser is a bit efficient at drying my hair, it's the only thing about the place I'm not fond of sad grin

Northey Tue 05-Feb-13 20:24:11

I need a haircut. Though I could just wear this bandana headband thing, as befits a topp action hero.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 05-Feb-13 20:25:09

I want to dye my hair darker. Any suggestions on Good Dye? Maybe I shouldn't go permanent yet.

Northey Tue 05-Feb-13 20:43:11

I don't know. With dark hair, nothing of the wash in wash out variety works... I quite want to try reddish henna though.

Just left work. Ugh. If I had reddish hennaed hair I would have bolshily left on time.

EuroShagmore Tue 05-Feb-13 20:46:14

Bear in mind that if you get diffed, you would end up with roots...

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 05-Feb-13 20:48:57

Not DARK as such, just darkER. My hair is artificially light at the ends at the moment because of some over-enthusiastic highlighting last November.

Besides there's no way I'll get diffed so I'm not letting that stop me. I just don't want people to laugh at me <insecure>

Northey Tue 05-Feb-13 21:32:31

Does Sylvester Stallone worry that people will laugh at him? NO! He sallies forth clad only in combat pants and a thin veil of sweat. Now go and vaseline your hairline and get on with it!

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 05-Feb-13 21:35:49

Vaseline? Is that what you do?

TWinklyLittleStar Tue 05-Feb-13 21:38:50

Yes, vaseline the skin around where the dye will go, stops you dyeing your skin.

I had a nice evening, though didn't get to play at pub quizzing.

Northey Tue 05-Feb-13 22:03:01

Feeling unexpectedly rattled by other (non BESH) people's diffments tonight. A bit heart racy. Bollocks.

Why can't they all just STOP?

EuroShagmore Tue 05-Feb-13 22:39:30

RL people norf? I know what you mean about rattled. I'm just waiting for a couple of #2s or #3s to be announced.

Northey Wed 06-Feb-13 06:02:38

Yes. I heard about it in the context of a friend's wife's loss, rather than an enduring pregnancy, but the fact that she was diffed in the first place (probably with perfect ease) has somehow really thrown me. I was doing really well about shutting all that sort of thing out and focussing on my own thing... I wish he had held off mentioning it for another month. Not that he could have known.

Can't be arsed to do cetrotide this morning. Can't I just go back to sleep instead?

TWinklyLittleStar Wed 06-Feb-13 10:13:59

How are you feeling now norfy?

For me, people have sort of just finished having number 1, so I think I should have a little break before the next round of diffedments.

Off for needling. CBA. Lost one of the beautiful (and expensive) gloves HWCA bought me for Christmas and incredibly pissed off with myself sad

EuroShagmore Wed 06-Feb-13 10:35:37

<Slides into thread, shooting wildly into the air>

How is everyone today? I am in a marginally better mood. I was in a right grump yesterday.

We now have an additional source of stress. KFZK is an "accidental landlord" (has a flat that he couldn't sell when we moved in together at the start of the credit crunch). Current tenant has not paid rent for 3 months so he is evicting him. Yesterday he got a letter from him claiming he is at fault for everything, ever, including the health problems he suffers (he's elderly). Just what we need. The notice period expires in a few days, so he can evict him then, but that is going to involve court proceedings and of course more stress. <Sigh>

Northey Wed 06-Feb-13 12:18:51

Sounds crappy, europa sad Does he want to hire Team BESH as evil, crack-shot hags to, erm, help matters along?

EuroShagmore Wed 06-Feb-13 14:06:30

Indeed Norfy. That is tempting.

He's a complete nutjob. He claims the flat is making him ill because it is in poor condition (it isn't, it probably needs some minor repairs but it is less than 10 years old and KFZK was living there himself until 2008, no previous tenants have complained, and it was fully redecorated 2 yrs ago). If that is the case, he should just fvk the fvk off, for the benefit of all concern (of course it isn't, he's just trying to string out living there for free as long as possible). My worry is that this will have a detrimental effect on swimmers. <selfish, one track mind>

On other matters, you seem to be getting on well know with the mixing and stabbing. It's not that awful once you get into it really. Have you had any side effects yet?

KatAndKit Wed 06-Feb-13 15:06:18

<hair strokes to jeffers >
The early days of diff are hideous for the menkul. You are very early for symptoms so try not to read too much into them. Pissing on lots of sticks will perhaps make you feel better but it won't actually tell you much. I pissed on a ridiculous amount of sticks - probably two cheapies a day for a fortnight.

Get thee booked in for Dildocam. As you have had IVF will you get an early scan automatically? If not go private. I had scans at 6 and 9 weeks and it helped me not have a mental breakdown during the first trimester.

JethroTull Wed 06-Feb-13 17:09:33

Fanks Kat. I get an earlyish scan at the end of the month as we went private in the end - think it will be 7 weeks? I haven't got any internet cheapies so I am currently pissing on fivers. Limiting my habit to every other day though....

Euro that sounds like a shitty thing to have to deal with.

North how long are you mixing & stabbing for? When do you have the delights of a dildo cam?

Rie have you done your hair yet?

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Wed 06-Feb-13 17:36:11

Evening Hags. Feeling fecked off today. Droid is due this weekend and i'm pretty sure i'm not pregnant which means I only have 1 clomid round left.

I'm not sure what the ACU will do next, give me more clomid or refer for IVF.

Had a good chat with a colleague today who is going through IVF atm, she totally 'gets it' so its nice to have someone in RL to offload on!

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 06-Feb-13 18:18:48

You're a landlord Euro. Would you be so daft as to put cream carpets throughout your property and expect them to remain pristine, despite there being no central heating necessitating constant use of an open fire? Course you wouldn't! I have spent the day trying to restore said carpets to original hue with the aid of a Rug Doctor. Conclusion: impossible. Neither has he touched the place in the seven years we've been here. If he thinks he's withholding my deposit, he's got another think coming.

EuroShagmore Wed 06-Feb-13 18:48:56

That's daft!

KFZK is a complete softy landlord. He replaces anything the tenant says needs replacing (which is why the current situation grates so much). I would have thought that after 7 years the carpets would need replacing anyway. You are allowed normal wear and tear. I would say this comes into that. Is your deposit in the protection scheme?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 06-Feb-13 18:56:40

I think that came in after we started here. However, when we moved in, we had to gut the place it was so filthy. He had installed wooden doors throughout, and all the kitchen was made of wood too. Only thing was, the wood was completely untreated hmm and the house was damp, so it was growing attractive green mould. So I went through sanding and varnishing the whole bloody place. We also had to paint. I have told him the lean to against the kitchen leaks but he hasn't done anything and now the plaster and paint in the kitchen is flaking off. A house needs some bloody upkeep, for goodness sake!

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 06-Feb-13 18:58:45

Oh I forgot, he replaced the oven two summers ago, with the cheapest he could find obviously. Because there is no extraction in the kitchen, it's very damp (as well as because of the other things), and the oven is going rusty already.

Northey Wed 06-Feb-13 18:59:45

No symptoms at all, euro. Where is the bloating I was "promised"? I even went riding this morning - not so much as a twinge. And dismounting does give the ovary area a hefty yank and bang. Well, the way I incompetently do it it does. Sod it. I might even have a proper lesson on Friday afternoon. First dildocam is Friday morning, btw, jeff. I'll have been stabbing for a week by then, and then I guess they'll tell me how long I need to carry on. How long did you stim for?

aries, cream carpets in a rented house are just INSANE.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Wed 06-Feb-13 19:23:53

<sliding in along a rope in full superman outfit>

Sorry I've been AWOL hags. Review appointment was a bit rubbish and pre-emptive freaking out by IVF is tantamount... So we probably won't for a while at least

Well done on the bloatingless stabbing norf

Hurrah again for jeffers and exciting about the scan date!

GRR about good tenants with crap landlords arie and the opposite for KFZK, euro. Ready to kick some ass, if need be [scary superman smiley]

evilgiraffe Wed 06-Feb-13 19:35:47

I have an appointment confirmation letter; 12th March is indeed an IVF appointment, our very first. I am scared, and it's over a month away. What the hell will I be like in a month's time? hmm

Northey Wed 06-Feb-13 19:52:50

You will forget about it for a few weeks and then panic, I bet. Where are you doing it?

JethroTull Wed 06-Feb-13 20:07:16

North think I took stims for 8 days before first dildo cam. It was on Wednesday then I had egg collection on the Monday so it moved pretty quickly.

Rie your landlord sounds like a bit of a prick.

The actual Bruce Willis was on The One Show tonight. Made me smile

JethroTull Wed 06-Feb-13 20:08:06

Draf is your appointment with NHS clinic?

evilgiraffe Wed 06-Feb-13 20:39:06

Yep, NHS, at our local hospital. I wish the infertility gubbins wasn't in the maternity hospital bit though, it kills me every time I have to go there. The first time we went we had to hold doors open for a woman being wheeled through with a brand-new baybee. That felt like a particularly cruel twist of the knife. sad

Northey Wed 06-Feb-13 20:46:56

Did you just have the one dildocam? Or did you have another on the Fri? I have one on Fri and apparently will prob have one on Mon as well. If I go at the same pace as you, it will be egg collection on Wed, a week today. <cries>

Northey Wed 06-Feb-13 20:50:36

Same all over, draf. I see the problem, which is that they use the same equipment for both, and can't really afford to replicate it all on the other side of the hospital. But it is still crap. Our women's ward (where all the preg losses are dealt with) is also right by maternity. Ho hum sad

evilgiraffe Wed 06-Feb-13 20:54:44

I don't know if a separate door would help, or make me feel even more ostracised. As you say though, they need the same equipment and staff, so it's not odd really. Just painful.

JethroTull Wed 06-Feb-13 20:55:31

I had 3 dildo cams. Wednesday, Thursday (where we also saw a consultant who discussed stopping the cycle as I wasn't responding well) then Saturday. On the Sat they confirmed when I needed to do my trigger which was 9pm Sat. Then they also booked me in for egg collection at 9am on the Monday. It went so quickly once the follicles had started to grow. I don't know if it's the same for everyone though.

Draf it does seem unfair to lump everyone together. Just ask lots of questions & don't let them fob you off by saying 'well there's every chance you could conceive naturally so come back in 6 months' <speaks with bitter experience>

evilgiraffe Wed 06-Feb-13 21:01:27

They'd better not, jeff. It nearly killed me waiting since May until now, to make sure we fulfil the criteria of three years of trying. They've previously said that clomid won't help as theoretically I am ovulating, so won't let them get away with that either. If it wasn't likely to work six months ago it's not likely to work now. Going straight on the IVF list is the only thing I want, right now.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 06-Feb-13 21:02:10

I'm very lucky, the infertility treatment clinic we are with (NHS) is in a purpose built building away from the main hospital. The consultant is based in the maternity unit though so I've had my share of awkward waiting room moments.

Not that I'm on the same meds, but I had just 9 days of drucks before I took the trigger Norf, so it can happen quite quickly. Don't forget my follie grew 7mm in 48 hours grin <proud>

Northey Wed 06-Feb-13 21:13:48

<admires frankelfollicle. Well, its popped remains, anyway>

9 days of drucks would take me to Saturday. Which would make egg collection Monday shock It really is going so fast.

evilgiraffe Wed 06-Feb-13 21:14:22

If we end up going private, there's a separate clinic out in the sticks not too far from us which I assume is a bit easier - no pesky differs everywhere.

JethroTull Wed 06-Feb-13 21:31:19

How old are you Draf?

HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 06-Feb-13 21:40:06

7 weeks sounds like a good time for a scan jeffers.

My old landlady (student housing) liked cream carpets because it keeps the room light confused. Living room carpet....in a student house....cream! Stand your ground rie and KFZK!

Same with our hospital, never forget the humiliating moment with my first gynae appointment when I had to go to Maternity reception re my appointment for her to say condescendingly You barren hag need to be over there, round the corner hmm because it wasn't bad enough for that! Gynae ward can be mixed as well. I worked there (before I qualified) and sometimes we'd have women with hyperemisis waiting for terminations and those having/had terminations whilst also caring for those who were MCing. Endeavoured to keep them separate but seemed so ironic and heart breaking. I do think that needs to change.

On a more positive note, it looks like lazy is about to drop! smile

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 06-Feb-13 21:41:37

<runs over to PESH> to wave Pom poms for lazy>

evilgiraffe Wed 06-Feb-13 21:51:12

I'm thirty, jeff, as is HOTB.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 06-Feb-13 21:56:10

Sorry for ranting about carpets when there is so much follicle action happening, Hags <ashamed>

EuroShagmore Wed 06-Feb-13 22:01:39

My first fertility appt meant going to maternity reception too. The NHS are so bloody insensitive. One good thing about going private is that the clinic is completely separate from any hospital and you are only confronted with fellow barrens there.

Carpets are important, rie. They made the Eurofortune* (family business).

*FAOD, there wasn't a fortune. Just enough to keep me in slash neck sweaters and ski pants, back in the day.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 06-Feb-13 22:04:05

My clinic is BY Maternity but not in the same wing. However you do have to do in the same building. MrA was bristling when we saw a 17 year old with a massive preggo stomach chain smoking outside the entrance by the no smoking sign hmm

evilgiraffe Wed 06-Feb-13 22:07:43

I want carpet. <stares gloomily at hideous carpet we wanted to rip up when we moved in seven years ago> I may get carpeted stairs one day, but perhaps a wooden floor downstairs, what with having elderly moggies who cannot be trusted not to be sick everywhere with no warning.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 06-Feb-13 22:19:41

The wretched cat is doing her level best to wreck this carpet even more than it's already wrecked.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 07-Feb-13 07:14:04

ESH old & new I need you to hold my hand and send all the positive vibes you can muster.

And of course, get out your nipple tassles.

BFP - Gulp.

its the faintest line ever and I had to do an internet cheapy and a D'drug one to be sure buy my boobs are all floppy and not at all like they were the 2 times I was pregnant before

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 07-Feb-13 07:18:17


<grasps hand tightly>

FriendofDorothy Thu 07-Feb-13 07:18:28

Ooo. ((hair strokes) and all that. Don't argue with a line. No matter what your saggy tits are telling you.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 07-Feb-13 07:48:24

Is it an early-early test or just a few days early one?

<puts on one nipple tassle, just to be conservative>

Northey Thu 07-Feb-13 07:56:52

Eek! Oh my God! <swipes the other nipple tassel>

The boobs will come. They will. <shoots doubters from the hip>

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 07-Feb-13 08:05:45

It around 11/12 dpo. I think.

Droid is due this weekend at somepoint. I'm going to buy another s'drug one at lunch.

evilgiraffe Thu 07-Feb-13 08:10:59

Ooo, how exciting! smile

CD27 for me, and the last few days my temp has been a gentle downward curve. I suspect it will plummet in the next couple of days and then I'm back to entertaining the droid for another fortnight. <so very bored of this by now>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 07-Feb-13 08:11:10

You have lines on 2 separate tests Bugs, this is a good thing. Pee on as many fivers as you need to.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Thu 07-Feb-13 08:48:19

bugsie congrats. A line is a line. So hurrah. And quiet handholding, I can hardly imagine how scary mixed with wonderful this must be. Wasn't it LP who got diffed just after traumas and big talking and temporary separation with TOM, maybe SB and I should have a massive fight too

I am sensing a cluster diff. I feel it in my waters! Next up euro, and then not that far behind norf! Everything is crossed for all of you (including the diff-starter jeff!)

And cream carpets, well some people are just not sensible. We have no carpets (cos of allergies) and I miss them.

Northey Thu 07-Feb-13 09:01:01

And frank and the follicle in between me and euro!

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Thu 07-Feb-13 09:09:39

I forgot about the amazing growy follie of frank. Oops. Even though our positive thinking encouraged it to 7mm in 48 hours. Duh!

I am in WWs as well, I guess, my boobs tell me I definitely dropped an egg and it is cd17, so even with my longest cycle of 29day I should be in the second half. The question I ponder is, how many more IUIs and when to move over to the big guns? I just DON'T know sad

TWinklyLittleStar Thu 07-Feb-13 09:12:19

Oh bugs!

<puts on everyday nipple tassles, saves sequinned ones for the weekend>

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Thu 07-Feb-13 09:27:22

grin at everyday tassles. Those are a bit like the greying pants and the holy socks!

captainmoll Thu 07-Feb-13 09:28:17

<whispers over radio whilst hiding from bad guys in lift shaft>
Excellent news Bugs! I've got you covered, will take out any approaching Droids!

EuroShagmore Thu 07-Feb-13 09:54:45

Bugs! <Twirls nipple tassles and dances with gun> <proffers grubby calloused hand for holding>

Twink I love the idea of having a variety of tassles!

Congrats on egg-dropping driz.

draf sorry that you feel overstaying Droid invasion is imminent.

It seems that the bloody Ovitrille is still in my system. It is supposed to stay for up to 10 days. I tested this morning 9.5 days after stabbing myself and got a very faint line (don't even think about getting excited as it is only 7pEC so far too early for anything else). This is annoyng. I want to know when I can do a proper test!

Today's lovely progesterone side effect is spots - all over my back. I thought it might be measles at first, but they are not itchy. There are loads of them. I cannot remember when I last had a spot on my back. Probably my early 20s. Meh.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Thu 07-Feb-13 09:58:28

Well euro, I heard of an IVF win who tested all the way from transfer to test-day, to see the line disappearing and it never did. So it being positive is NEVER a bad sign. If it is the trigger, it is giving EmBarryO plenty of time to settle in, and if it is the beginning of something bigger all of use queuing up for natural ivf for instance all will become clear in another few days. Testing again on Sunday?

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Thu 07-Feb-13 09:58:56

PS sorry about spotty back, that was one of the joys of adolescence...

EuroShagmore Thu 07-Feb-13 10:08:37

Drizz I always had Sunday in mind for test day, so that's the plan, but I was expecting to see an arctic stick this morning, so I might try again tomorrow as that will be over 10 days.

The weird thing about the spots is that they are mostly across my mid back, not across my shoulders, which is where I got the odd teenage back spot. Still, at least it's winter. No one apart from me and KFZK are going to see them. And if he can still find me appealling after watching embryo transfer, I am sure a few hormonal spots won't put him off.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 07-Feb-13 11:10:42

God, could we really be on for a <whispers> cluster diff?

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 07-Feb-13 11:38:39

<Orders extra nipple tassles>

Everything crossed for euro & frank

Just did another test. Still feint but still positive!

EuroShagmore Thu 07-Feb-13 11:51:17

<Hand squeeze> Yay!

JethroTull Thu 07-Feb-13 12:41:18

Bugs!!!!! Crossing everything for you love.

Euro STEP AWAY from the piss sticks.

EuroShagmore Thu 07-Feb-13 12:47:34

Nope, Jeff. Not gonna happen. I need to test early because KFZK will be away on biz on the official test day and I'd like us both to find out together. I'm fine with the pish sticks anyway. They are one of the few things that don't make me menkul. I just want to know the Ovitrille is gone!

EuroShagmore Thu 07-Feb-13 12:49:45

How are you doing anyway, instigator of the clusterdiff?

JethroTull Thu 07-Feb-13 12:51:11

But what if it's negative and you actually are diffed?

JethroTull Thu 07-Feb-13 12:54:40

Been feeling a bit mental about it all & worried that it might not stick but POAS again last night & got an immediate line. So feeling a bit calmer.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 07-Feb-13 13:03:47

jeth that is perfectly normal. You won't believe it until your scan. The hossie have booked me in for one on 27th when I should be 7 weeks. Until then I'm gonna poas daily and try not to menkul too much. and prod the life out of my boobs

EuroShagmore Thu 07-Feb-13 13:04:30

Hurrah for a good line!

My thinking is:

If it's pos on Sunday - great
If it's neg on Sunday - we can console one another
If it's neg on Sunday but pos at blood test - it will be a very unexpected nice surprise

Basically, we want to avoid the situation where we don't test at home and I have to get the bad news while he is 300 miles away. There doesn't seem to be a downside to our plan (unless it is a chem preg, I guess, so I get a positive on Sunday and a negative on the blood test, but I'm going to try not to think about that).

It was bizarre this morning - it was my first ever pish stick with a second line. And I needed it to be negative!

JethroTull Thu 07-Feb-13 13:17:47

Euro will Sunday be 11day post EC or post ET? Did you have 2 or 3 day transfer? Sorry can't read back very well on my phone. I have everything crossed for you.

I get an early scan at our clinic in just over a couple of weeks so not long to wait. If that is good then I'm hoping I might feel a bit better and be able to sleep

EuroShagmore Thu 07-Feb-13 13:29:07

11 days post-EC. I had a 2 day transfer. Thanks for the crossing. smile

Isn't it awful that the worry never seems to end? <strokes hair>

JethroTull Thu 07-Feb-13 13:34:05

I got a text from a wise old ESH last night....

When you go to the scan & there is something there you will immediately start shitting yourself that it will have no arms or no head. And wehn it doesn't you will immediatley start shitting yourself that it will have A Syndrome or A Dodgy Heart. And when it doesn't you will immediately start shitting yourself that you or the baby or both will die in labour. And when you don't... you will immediately start shitting yourself that you have to keep the bllody thing for the REST OF YOUR LIFE. It doesn't stop.

This ^ made me laugh.

TWinklyLittleStar Thu 07-Feb-13 13:44:41

<strokes pretty much everyone's hair>

<strokes own hair, to not feel left out>

There is so much going on it's hard to keep up! norf is stabbing, Jeff and bugs are Worrying, euro is waiting for Sunday, draf has her clinic appointment, rie did update us about the allergy clinic but I forget what that update was, and moll's man has had his spaff test - yes? Oh and we are cheering on frank's folly but I can't remember what happens next with her.

Who have I forgotten?

I am droiding and hoping to have some sechs at the correct time of the month this month. For once. Boring. grin

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 07-Feb-13 13:55:42

Twinks are you keeping a spreadsheet? grin

I'm off for a blood test on Monday to confirm ov (though temps are pretty conclusive!) then it's test on 20th if no droid. Based on the last druck-induced cycle, droid will actually be due on 15th/16th so I may be naughty and test a bit earlier than they said.

KatAndKit Thu 07-Feb-13 14:19:33

buggggggsssss Yes!!!! I am so pleased! I haven't even read the previous pages but I have absolutely everything crossed that, like me, it will be a third time lucky for you. Are you on any aspirin or such like?

Anyway I come with news that a certain baybee boy has joined the ESHlets this morning smile

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 07-Feb-13 14:32:50

I was wondering when she would lay.

Excellent news!!

Yes Kat I am on low dose aspirin.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 07-Feb-13 14:39:03

Oooo, has lazy laid?!

EuroShagmore Thu 07-Feb-13 14:41:50

Hurrah! That's brilliant. I remember taking her for a drink when she and Mr Lazy were having a bad time and it all looked bleak. What a change for the better. grin

TWinklyLittleStar Thu 07-Feb-13 14:47:30

Hooray! Well done lazy!

frank no spreadsheet, just like knowing what's going on. Detective innit grin

evilgiraffe Thu 07-Feb-13 14:54:02

<envisions Twinks as Dirty Harry, looking cool>

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 07-Feb-13 17:32:02

Finally I can post properly from a PC. I've moved offices so my pc screen can now be seen by everyone and anyone so I can no longer pop on here in my lunch.

What is everyone doing this evening?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Thu 07-Feb-13 17:55:00

I have just got in from my allergy clinic. Have been pricked and prodded and had about 3 litres of blood drawn which will go off the Cambridge to test for my mysterious ailment.

I gather that nipple tassels are in order though11!!!!111!

Crossing my fingers this one sticks, Bugger my love xxx

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 07-Feb-13 18:00:33

Thanks Rie me too. I have 3 new favorite songs:

Freak out
3 is a magic number
Don't stop believing

Maybe we need a NOW BESH song list? We had a paint chart once!!

Rie you are officially entitled to eat whatever you want. You will need food to help the blood be replaced. Honest.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Thu 07-Feb-13 18:33:08

I'm thinking curry followed by beer wine red grape juice.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 07-Feb-13 18:39:30

I've had curry. I'm such a lazy oaf that I had bread with it as I couldn't be bothered to cook rice!! It wasn't that nice tbh. I'll have a hot x bun later.

snowqueenrollo Thu 07-Feb-13 18:43:09

I'm just parking my backside here so this comes up in my 'i'm on' thingy, otherwise I forget where you are and I do like to read, even though I don't post so often.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 07-Feb-13 18:47:15

Hey queenie I was just looking at pics of your new ESHlet on t'other place.

Hope all is well

Northey Thu 07-Feb-13 19:12:10

Mmmm curry. I am having pizza.

Tell us about the allergy thing then, rierie. What are they testing you for? Just allergies, or allergies with a helpful TTC slant?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Thu 07-Feb-13 19:24:46

Oh God it's tedious. You know the FC sent me away the other week and told me to get a referral to an allergy clinic before they would continue with IUI? Yes, after a year of waiting...wankers. Well they rushed me through and I saw the guy today. Had to drive two hours, but still. Not allergic to peanuts, so that means they can safely put peanut butter up the foof during AC hmm. Not allergic to hormones during the luteal phase which can happen apparently. Had blood taken so it can be sent off to be tested for a million things. I then have to go back in a month for the follow up. He is also going to phone the FC to ask what on earth they were playing at.

So I guess that's encouraging.

Northey Thu 07-Feb-13 19:30:41

Hahahahaha at peanut butter up the foof. We should work that into the beshtionnaire.

What a fab man to get on the FC's case.

captainmoll Thu 07-Feb-13 19:33:33

Rie that sounds inexpressibly irritating. Lets nuke them immediately. Now where did I put that warhead I just rescued from the evil genius lair? <searches under pile of bills and junk mail>

Still no word at all on any of the tests we're waiting for. Grrr. I will be phoning people up tomorrow and getting ranty. And aiming bazookas at administrative staff.

Here's a question. If one of the reasons for infertility is the lady's fanny being too acidic and killing the spermies, WHY has no one tested the acidity of my foof? Surely a bit of litmus paper is pretty much the cheapest, simplest thing to stick up there and just strike that one off the list of causes straight away? (Obvs involves timing test for around OV time when the acid level is supposed to change, but still - simple, right?)

Have any of you had this tested? How long did they take to do that?

Big fx for sticky beans all round for the stabbers!

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 07-Feb-13 19:44:38

norf I think we should introduce the following question:

"If you had to have a type of spread squirted up your foof, what sort of spread would it be"?

mine would be raspberry jam with seeds in. Mmmmmm

Mol Never had an acid fanny test. Sorry.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Thu 07-Feb-13 19:50:22

Rie that's just shite shock, though you should have insisted on coming to Cambridge yourself for the tests - I could have taken you out for lunch grin

I have only just got home from a meeting angry I am therefore eating a true action hero's dinner of Cup of Soup and a Terry's Chocolate Orange blush

How's the shock Bugs?

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 07-Feb-13 20:01:23

I'm not really in shock. I'm sort of feeling a bit 'weird'. I'm sort of not actually believing it or thinking about it <lies>

I just can't bear the thought of another MC. I think it will break me & GP.

EuroShagmore Thu 07-Feb-13 20:10:33

<strokes *Bugs' hair>

Satisfy my curiosity - Did you feel you might be diffed before you tested?

moll I don't think they do the post-coital test much anymore. I agree it seems daft as it must be cheap. One poster on the 10+ers thread had it done, douched with a bicarb solution (on dr's advice) and got preg the first month of trying that. She just laid a few weeks back.

Rie I'm glad allergy man was helpful.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Thu 07-Feb-13 21:25:26

Wooooo! I have hobbled or should it be waddled at this point? in from the w place and attached my nipple tassels <does a funky, wobbly belly dance> bugs that is great news grin I know it's scary and quite menkul. I'm hoping and praying you are exactly where lazy is in 36 weeks' time...just think, your situations are very similar and she now has her baybee smile We're all here to hand hold in the mean time.

Good to have the summary earlier - I find it hard to keep up! How is sinky? You lurking?

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 07-Feb-13 21:42:43

I wouldnt say I knew euro but I have had some womble cramps/ pulling sensations and a couple of head dizzy spells when I've stood up too quickly.

Thanks faith

<forms circle and holds ESH hands>

Truffkin Thu 07-Feb-13 21:49:58

Hoping it's third time lucky for you Bugs

DolomitesDonkey Thu 07-Feb-13 22:27:12

So thrilled for you bugs grin !

If I were a bread-basted spread suitable for foofs I'd be nutella.

Northey Thu 07-Feb-13 22:42:00

Ooh er, donkey.

I'd be extra tart blackcurrant.

Northey Thu 07-Feb-13 22:43:06

I'm struggling to think of many action heroes who hold hands in a circle

<peers sternly at bugs>

evilgiraffe Thu 07-Feb-13 22:46:49

They might if they were trying to look big to fend off sharks, norf? <still doubtful>

I'd be jam, I think. Raspberry or blackcurrant, cos I love both. Although if you caught me in the right mood I could also be marmite or honey.

DolomitesDonkey Thu 07-Feb-13 22:47:20

Nutella? That makes me sound like I'm a cock-smuggler. <back to drawing board>

Just saw - what wonderful news. The nipple tassels are getting a good workout! Everything is crossed for you Bugs

Jeff that is a brilliant text - sums it all up perfectly.

Looking forward to further instalments of the clusterdiff!

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 08-Feb-13 07:03:16

The shock of yesterday has been replaced by 'the fear'.

Menkul overload.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 08-Feb-13 07:15:22

<chucks bucket of whitebait over Bugs>

JethroTull Fri 08-Feb-13 08:15:36

It's all consuming isn't it Bugs? I imagined I would be elated but I'm worrying more than ever.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 08-Feb-13 08:34:03

That's a perfect description Jeff.

I've worked out that droid is due sat / sun or even as late as Monday so I'm making the fatal error of testing mega mega early.

evilgiraffe Fri 08-Feb-13 08:40:30

Okay, now I'm confused. Temp was on a gentle downward curve, but today (CD28) it has shot up. I have no clue what's going on. Maybe I'm coming down with something confused

JethroTull Fri 08-Feb-13 08:41:01

That's the problem with trying to conceive - you don't have the luxury of just realising your diffed at 8 weeks.

JethroTull Fri 08-Feb-13 08:42:20

Draf I don't know much about temping. Does temp spike & fall before droid or fall slowly?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 08-Feb-13 08:43:28

I maintain, when the next round of evolution happens, I'm expecting an update that turns a woman's pee a bright shade of purple within 24 hours of getting diffed! Life would be so much simpler!

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 08-Feb-13 08:55:24

draf the exact same thing happened to dor when she was diffed.

Northey Fri 08-Feb-13 09:02:01

Oh God, the luxury of just realising. And then being one of those women who has a scan and discovers she is four months already.

On way for first tracking scan. Then on to Wales to AMNH. With a rucksack full of drugs.

EuroShagmore Fri 08-Feb-13 10:22:39

Yippikayay, soon to be mothers.

<eyes up draf's kidneys>

norfy how amazing would that be? Oh, what I would give to have a surprise diff.

I'm pretty sure I'm out. I went to bed last night feeling quite hormonal and reasonably hopeful. I woke up this morning feeling blank with a certainty that it hasn't worked. Day 9 again. Always day 9 (DPO). WTF does my body do on day 9?

TWinklyLittleStar Fri 08-Feb-13 10:31:38

You can't know that it hasn't worked euro. You are bracing yourself for disappointment by telling yourself it's over, I think. Here, have some monkfish. I will hair stroke with nice fishy hands.

I have severely woken up on the wrong side of the bed with HWCA this morning. I am being completely unreasonable, but I am angry that the last time I was even in with a chance of getting diffed was NOVEMBER.

JethroTull Fri 08-Feb-13 11:17:33

euro I swung between knowing I was absolutely not pregnant and having little flashes of hope. You cannot know this early. It's so hard but you just have to wait.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 08-Feb-13 11:32:21

I agree with Jeff

evilgiraffe Fri 08-Feb-13 13:04:34

Don't even look at my kidneys, I can't handle the pressure sad I'm sure it's just a blip, and I'm menkulling enough... I also feel dead tired - which combined with the strange temp makes me assume I'm coming down with a cold or something - it's far more likely than diffage.

Also, I have been picked from the ballot to do Ride100 this summer, but HOTB has not. I really don't want to do it without him though, and the thought of riding 100 miles makes me want to cry - which is surely an imminent-droid sign.

<sobs in corner>

evilgiraffe Fri 08-Feb-13 13:05:16

<stares at mullet of menkul>

captainmoll Fri 08-Feb-13 13:15:12

<mullet of menkul starts flashing red and beeping ominously>
<Draf cuts vital cable just in time to stop explosion>

evilgiraffe Fri 08-Feb-13 13:17:34

smile thanks, moll maybe I should watch a nice mindless gratuitously violent action film this evening, that's bound to help.

FriendofDorothy Fri 08-Feb-13 13:34:06

Ooooo I had forgotten that my temps dipped then went up... here is a link Draf if you want to menkul over it.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 08-Feb-13 14:10:00

Have u poas. draf?

HavingALittleFaithBaby Fri 08-Feb-13 14:14:48

Hi all.

draf I totally agree - IMO it ain't over til the metal arse face arrives. I was adamant I was 'just very tired' and had PMS, just thought it was a particularly bad cycle when I was actually diffed. I too swung between feeling disheartened because not only was I not diffed but we'd decided to stop TTC(!) and having a funny, tiny niggle that I couldn't shift that just might be!

Sympathies TWink. It takes its toll sad

evilgiraffe Fri 08-Feb-13 14:15:32

I don't POAS until droid is a week late, bugs. Ask me again next weekend! (there will be no need, droid will have arrived by then I'm sure)

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 08-Feb-13 14:21:17

<affixes Will power of steel badge>

How can u resist. You are hardcore woman!

evilgiraffe Fri 08-Feb-13 14:25:10

Droid has been approx six days late twice - its arrival is infinitely preferable to a BFN. It's not so much steel will as being too cowardly to face a single line.

DolomitesDonkey Fri 08-Feb-13 14:43:33

Actually, just to fuel the menkul - we did have a BESH who went along for a miscarriage de-brief at 8 weeks... only to discover she was in fact 12 weeks with a healthy foetus!

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 08-Feb-13 14:48:48

Can I do a quick poll on when I may have ovulated?

First cycle of drucks I ovulatright side on cd20. This cycle I've had lots of left sided pain, it even hurt when we were doing the sechs.

Friday 25th we did the sechs, sat 26th I had very sore nipples and a really weird feeling up inside me and on Sunday 27th I had womble pains and brown tinged cm.

Friday was cd17 btw.

Any ideas ?

EuroShagmore Fri 08-Feb-13 15:13:33

Bugs I'm afraid I have no idea. When I tried Letrozole, I oved at day 20 on the first cycle and day 12 on the next (higher dose)! I always feel ov and I temp, so I don't take much notice of any other signs.

draf I completely understand. I'm not a tester (usually) either. I've used about 10 tests in over 2 years of ttc, and most of those were on one cycle when I tested every day from a few dpo because I was getting a few days of symptoms almost every cycle and wanted to try to figure out what was going on. The others went on occasions when I wanted to get trollied at a wedding reception or something just when my period was due, and so tested to give myself permission. I also prefer Droid to an(other) arctic stick.

Northey Fri 08-Feb-13 15:24:04

<applies a sea bass to draf's backside>

bugs, I would guess you ovulated Saturday night. On Clomid I ovulated CD18-20.

Northey Fri 08-Feb-13 15:25:51

Also, I have 12 good follicles, and a lovely womb lining (apparently). Should be ready for egg collection at some point Wed-Fri.

I am seriously thinking about buying a horse. I appreciate this may be displacement madnes.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Fri 08-Feb-13 15:39:39

<popping in really briefly, as I planned to sneakily work on my assignment today and have been rushed off my feet all day>

But well done on the lovely follies and lining norf. You're doing well.

Gentle menkul-fueling poke in draf's direction. Hold strong on the testing, I prefer droid too. I've done a grant total of 3 tests while TTC, 1 BFP, 1 delayed droid on hols, under duress, one to check whether I could get trollied over NYE. Which I did.

And listen here, children, I had NO symptoms when I was diffed (and had an absolutely outstanding first hcg-level). I got some and kept them until the embryo passed, even after it stopped growing 10 days before. So symptoms are useless wrt clues on diffage - stern look all round and sadly also useless as indication of whether or not a pregnancy is likely to continue

No idea bugs I never used clomid (and I never ovulate past day 14). I'd say sometime that weekend, and thus you are at least 11dpo now.

EuroShagmore Fri 08-Feb-13 15:40:03

norfy! Nice follicles. <wink>

In the run up to EC we almost bought a kitten. Post ET, we are thinking about buying some really big guns. Tis quite fitting given the current feme.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Fri 08-Feb-13 15:45:24

A kitten with huge guns sounds like an amazing superhero smile

Northey Fri 08-Feb-13 15:56:06

Now that is an action film I would totally watch!

EuroShagmore Fri 08-Feb-13 16:21:24


Ninja kitteh

Northey Fri 08-Feb-13 16:44:05

The Purr-minator.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 08-Feb-13 17:21:44

Amazing news norf

Love the idea of buying guns and pets!!

HavingALittleFaithBaby Fri 08-Feb-13 17:37:57

norf, is it a general idea or is there a specific horse you have your eye on?!

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 08-Feb-13 17:53:27

Oo oo, share horsey stories Norf - I keep scanning the Classifieds in Horse and Hound and picking out the ones I'd buy blush

Have you seen the Ninja Cat on YouTube grin The sound effects are a bit annoying but it is better than the silent one.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 08-Feb-13 18:02:23
evilgiraffe Fri 08-Feb-13 18:03:45

Oh, that's a nice one, Frank! He's just my sort, too. smile

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 08-Feb-13 18:15:43

<must stop googling bfp's 12dpo>

<reaches for mullet of menkul and bucket of prawns>

<tips over head>

I might go hide under a cave for a while, put my fingers in my ears and rock backwards and forwards for the next few days until my bfp's get darker.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Fri 08-Feb-13 18:27:25

<pops in, graps mullet of menkul, chops in equal sized bits, passes round>

Hide as long as you like bugs and pop in to rant if you need to. We're here. And we have fish, and posh Sunday tassles to get out for your dark and shiny BFP (and euro's early one).

Northey Fri 08-Feb-13 18:35:35

Ooh frank, what a gorgeous chap. Maybe you and draf and I could share him. He could live with me <generous>

No specific horse, feefifofum, just one that is Very Sensible and also kind and intelligent looking. And quite big.

My other displacement activity is googling equestrian property, ignoring the price tag, obviously.

bugsy, you iz going to be a headcase for the next few days (probably next nine months, let's be honest), so just embrace it along with this big dozy yawny mouth filter whale thing (I forget the name, rie will know).

evilgiraffe Fri 08-Feb-13 18:44:18

Whales aren't fish, norf...

I am well up for sharing a pony that I don't have to look after myself. We could play all kinds of gymkhana games on him. Bagsy the bending race!

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Fri 08-Feb-13 18:56:37

I. Just. Announced. To. The. World. I. Was. Starting. IUI. Next. Cycle. On FB. By. Mistake <gritted teeth>

<prepares noose>

It was up there for six minutes. AIBU to want to emigrate to Antarctica?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Fri 08-Feb-13 18:57:09

Basking shark.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 08-Feb-13 19:01:03

It'll be fine Rie, anyone that is insensitive enough to comment should be deleted forthwith (unless they send you a luffly supportive private message).

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Fri 08-Feb-13 19:03:22

THREE people messaged me to take it down saying I must have meant it for elsewhere, fortunately all ESH. Who else saw it? <weeps>

Northey Fri 08-Feb-13 19:06:16

I didn't see it <supportive> And most people wouldn't understand what iui was. And those who did understand what it was ^would understand>. It's ok, lovely.

Northey Fri 08-Feb-13 19:07:00

<hair strokes>

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Fri 08-Feb-13 19:09:26

They must have thought "Talk about oversharing".

starrystarrymole Fri 08-Feb-13 19:10:45

Sometimes superheroes hold hands
<very quietly> yey buggerme!!!! So pleased, know you've a head fuck to come, but projecting stickiest of thoughts and superhuman strength of mind to handle the menkal.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Fri 08-Feb-13 19:11:19

Anyway, on the plus side, I was telling the truth. All set to go in 16 days or so. Allergy man called FC and told them they were being stupid, so they called me.

starrystarrymole Fri 08-Feb-13 19:18:52

<also strokes rie, not wishing to seem rude>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 08-Feb-13 19:23:22

Good news Rie, so glad Allergy man put them straight.

JethroTull Fri 08-Feb-13 19:26:04

That's good news*Rie*. How are you feeling about it?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Fri 08-Feb-13 19:29:24

Apparently I didn't say the crucial word IUI in the status update, someone has just told me. So it was just gobbledegook really.

How do I feel about it? I don't know...a bit scared I guess.

captainmoll Fri 08-Feb-13 19:39:31

That's a lovely picture Starry

I am having a proper menkul. Friend unexpectedly dropped by with her baby. I was standing in my own home holding a baby and after she left I dropped a cup and now I am all weepy. It's like I'm a one-woman soap opera.

<disconsolately tosses grenade into gang of evil henchmen>
<grenade fails to detonate>

captainmoll Fri 08-Feb-13 19:40:35

Cross post - Rie that's great news, good luck!

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Fri 08-Feb-13 19:46:37

Oh Moll. Sorry, but your image did make you smile! The disconsolate chucking of the non detonating hand grenade, that is.

Babies in your own home is a bit of a headfuck, admittedly. Here, have this whiting.

Northey Fri 08-Feb-13 19:59:58

That's brilliant news, though, aries! Well done arse-kicking FC man! Hurrah for iui! Sounds like you haven't been delayed by too much after all.

Northey Fri 08-Feb-13 20:01:18

moll, just sad

HavingALittleFaithBaby Fri 08-Feb-13 20:17:19

Woo, the end of the wait is nigh rie. Cluster diff is coming...I feel it in my waters or is that the baybee?

moll that would mess with any head. I recall having DNephew overnight and sobbing whilst feeding him in the night because I wanted it to be us so badly....it's ok to feel like crap when faced with that kind of situation.

<scissor kicks bad feelings in the gut>

EuroShagmore Fri 08-Feb-13 20:24:17

That is good news Rie. Hurrah for the sensible allergy man! And 6 minutes when most people were travelling home/prepping dinner means not many people will have seen it (and even fewer will have understood it by the sound of it!).

Oh moll. Have a stroke of the cod of comfort.

faif I'd love to see you try that scissor kick in your current condition!

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Fri 08-Feb-13 20:37:53

I'm not getting my hopes up about the IUI at all. The chances of success of very low. I'm looking at it as a practice for IVF. I'm entitled to up to four rounds but I may not do all four. Time is ticking by, after all...

HavingALittleFaithBaby Fri 08-Feb-13 20:44:54

<still in de Nile about current size>

What are the stats for success rates of IUI? (Out of curiosity)

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Fri 08-Feb-13 20:50:41


About 10%, though some clinics say with their drucks method, 20%.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Fri 08-Feb-13 20:53:33

Hmm, not the best, but better than 0%....

JethroTull Fri 08-Feb-13 21:43:44

National average for IVF is only just over 20% <hands over halibut of hope>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 08-Feb-13 22:03:48

This is my ckonic, they say they have a 60% success rate for IVF in the under 35s. The national average for the same age group is 40%.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 08-Feb-13 22:04:16

Ckonic = clinic

<too much wine>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 08-Feb-13 22:11:23

I completely forgot to share these with you:

Frankel, taken yesterday (not by me)

Frankel's baby brother, born last Saturday <cute>

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Fri 08-Feb-13 22:32:18

IVF/IUI stats worry me, in a resigned sort of way. Every couple bar one I know who have had AC since I started TTC have succeeded in it working. The more successes there are, the more likely I am to fail, or the statistics lie. Especially given my age.

Sorry, but that's how I see it.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Fri 08-Feb-13 22:32:52

Oh the horsies!!!!11! <squeals>

EuroShagmore Fri 08-Feb-13 22:44:11

Love the mini frankel!

Rie I know what you mean. Both of my closest friends have had IVF successes. I can't help feeling that I am going to be the unlucky one. But I think we know by now that I am a pessimist.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Fri 08-Feb-13 22:47:32

How many were first time lucky though? Are the stats per attempt rather than per couple? That would make a difference to your perspective..

evilgiraffe Fri 08-Feb-13 22:48:22

I am also dubious about figures. Also last time we were in Addenbrooke's we could hardly move for CambridgeIVF adverts, which was rather like being kicked while we were down. They are so new their stats are pretty meaningless too, as they've just not had the same numbers of patients as other clinics. Not that I'm trying to rain on the parade, Frank, but that's likely going to end up being our clinic too so I've spent a good deal of time noseying at their website.

Gorgeous foaly smile

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Fri 08-Feb-13 22:50:19

They were all first attempts apart from BarbiesBeaver (second). And I don't know anyone who has been able to pay for IVF apart from my SIL and BIL (twinz on first attempt), and the NHS only pays for one anyway. The BESH have all had wins.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Fri 08-Feb-13 22:51:08

And apart from Jeffers who was private.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Fri 08-Feb-13 22:51:53

If you do end up with them evil I can tell you which nurses to look out for. To be fair, they've all been lovely, but two have been extremely good to me.

Northey Sat 09-Feb-13 07:10:35

I also fear the statistics are going to go against me.

<fires round pillar at statistics>

JethroTull Sat 09-Feb-13 07:38:02

The stats are per client per year. Which means that a client could be represented once or multiple times. The consultant I saw said that most couples would be successful within 3 attempts. I started the whole AC process hoping it would work whilst understanding that it probably wouldn't first time. I also think SSG & I are generally 'lucky' though. And I can be irritatingly positive so I will shut up now.

Northey Sat 09-Feb-13 09:01:16

I am mentally preparing for three cycles, pollyannatull. Then if this one works it is just a nice bonus. And if it doesn't I am buying that nice horse of frankel's

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Sat 09-Feb-13 09:36:05

Rie I didnt see your FB post either. I think you escaped all of your friends (except a few ESH) seeing it. Well done for realising and taking it down.

I've done another test this morning (IC cheapy) the line is still like a whisper of a water mark, no darker than yesterdays or Thursdays. I've asked GP to hide the tests and I'm not doing anymore until next weekend. I'm going to try my very best to stay away from google and maybe MN.

The menkul that comes with all this is horrendous.

Euro are you still testing +?
Jeff how are you feeling?

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sat 09-Feb-13 10:03:22

Hurrah about starting IUI and the Allergy Man - he's my new action hero. Keeping stuff crossed. Sorry about the fb-moment, but am sure it is okay.

Hair strokes for moll, that sounds pretty awful. People should respect some boundaries with their babes. I know the piercing feeling well, like faif we had nephews staying, it was wonderful, but seeing SB reading to them did hurt quite a bit.

On other news I got pissed last night and are feeling really rough!

Northey Sat 09-Feb-13 10:21:29

You old lush, lemon.

Good idea to step away from the tests, bugs. Though don't beat yourself up if you crack and test again tomorrow. If you're diffed you're diffed. If you're not you're not. The important thing now is to do what you need to do to keep your head in a good, calm place.

JethroTull Sat 09-Feb-13 10:48:47

Wise words Norf.

I am good thanks Bugs, had a good nights sleep which always puts me in a good mood plus SSG got up & took the dog out.

evilgiraffe Sat 09-Feb-13 11:11:32

Norf is like a wise old oracle. <knocks over a vase> <takes a cookie>

(recognise the film?)

Temp today has dropped back to plateau with temps from a couple of days ago, so looks like yesterday was just a blip. I'm feeling easily tearful and a bit achey so droid is probably not far away.

Of course, this means that I will be at the height of embittered hormonal weakness when we hear about my friend's newborn - its been long enough since her induction date that I'm starting to get worried about hearing no news. Would it be bad form and massively pestery to text her? There's so many posts in AIBU about annoying friends asking if people have given birth and I don't want to be tht person...

Oh, and we did watch an action film yesterday - it turns out that, despite the dreadful title, Looper is a really good film. I love Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Bruce Willis smile

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sat 09-Feb-13 11:20:57

<is sick and tired of doing work on Sat morning, still a fair bit to go>

Ready to run in and kick that droid, if it makes an appearance draf.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Feb-13 11:44:14

I also think SSG & I are generally 'lucky' though

At the risk of sounding irritatingly negative, I am one of those UNlucky people. Things generally don't work out. And there's no way I can have three rounds of IVF. We get one on the NHS so I'll have to just hope and do all I can. I have the IUI first however. The nurse said that's their chance to see how best you respond to different levels of drugs. Or something <vague>

Anyway I'll stop now.

Sorry to hear about the hangover sad

And Moll, how are you feeling today. Sorry if I sounded flippant when you first said about the holding the baby yesterday blush. It was insensitive.

AIBU to shoot MrA for doing these irritating shouty coughs?

Northey Sat 09-Feb-13 11:57:22

No, shoot him. May as well, while we've got the action hero guns and everything. And then I can shoot AMNH for his irritating loud yawning.

captainmoll Sat 09-Feb-13 14:10:44

Thanks for the wisdom, sympathy and hair strokes luffly BESH. I feel better today but did have to take out Facebook with a big fat nuke this morning as it was an endless stream of happy baby photos. Gah.

Rie not insensitive at all - I was glad that someone shared my bathos.

Bugs still fx for you, I've got my crosshairs trained on all droids and bfns.

BE has THE most annoying cough - I live in fear of him catching one as it goes on all night and ends up with neither of us getting any sleep and him coughing til he makes himself sick. Like a child. I would def vote for action hero smack down response. Swat teams, the lot.

evilgiraffe Sat 09-Feb-13 14:49:33

I am a bit more cheerful now, we just went for a walk to our nearest town for a cup of coffee - three miles each way, lots of time for chitchat and enjoying each other's company. I knew I liked HOTB for a reason smile

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Feb-13 14:55:06

Ah, that's nice! We get caught up so much in Life that we often forget why we fell for them in the first place smile. Loads of people say to me "Oh he's gorgeous!" and I think yeah, whatever and then we go out and I stop and really look at him and think "Yes he is!". even though he does nothing round the house

evilgiraffe Sat 09-Feb-13 15:03:38

Yes, it is easy to forget! HOTB and I have been together since we were seventeen (he was way more interesting than A-level Chemistry), so I'm impressed that he is not only still a lovely person at thirty, but that we still fit together so well smile

EuroShagmore Sat 09-Feb-13 15:04:21

I haven't tested again, bugs. Yesterday's showed the merest whisper of a line if you really squinted, so I think I can be sure it'll all be gone by Sunday or Monday when I will test for real before my blood test. I'm less excited about testing early now all my symptoms have gone, but I will still do it to help prepare myself.

We've spent the day at a gunshow, so if any droid's need shooting I can recommend the best kit (was actually veh dull).

I'm working too driz. We took the train so I could work on the journey and hopefully get tomorrow off.

evilgiraffe Sat 09-Feb-13 17:24:42

Friend has had a baybee boy, HOTB is on the phone to the new father, and I'm having an adrenaline rush - shaky hands, fast heartbeat etc. The fight or flight reflex is NOT the right reaction to happy news from close friends, and I hate myself for it. For fucks sake. <blinks back tears>

DolomitesDonkey Sat 09-Feb-13 17:46:33

euro grinjust accept the line!

aries you are not unlucky, you are clever and funny and beautiful and live in paradise with an amazing life. Your husband probably shouldn't be allowed to operate machinery granted, but he is awfy decorative.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Feb-13 17:54:53

He's veh clever at machinery actually. But thanks! grin

Dearest draf absolutely do not hate yourself for it. It's a physical reaction - you don't choose it. I had exactly the sane when SIL announced her second. Take a moment, have some chocolate and a glass of wine (((((hugs)))))) <- unBESHly but so what? <defiant>

EuroShagmore Sat 09-Feb-13 18:27:21

Nah, Donkey. The line is not a cause for grinning - I wish it was! That was the HCG from the trigger shot getting fainter. I've had two pos tests this week, when I didn't want them, because I wanted the Ovitrille to be gone from my system so I could test for real!

Draf have a stroke of the cod of comfort, lovely.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Feb-13 18:41:18

Step away from the stix, dear Euro. It's too soon xxx

EuroShagmore Sat 09-Feb-13 19:11:07

I'm nowhere near the bloody sticks! I tested last weekto make sure the Ovitrille was gone. Will test again at 12 dpo so I am not on my own when I get the result as KFZK is away for the OTD! Grrr. <Feels harassed>

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Feb-13 19:12:37

Um. Ok. Whatever <scuttles away>

Northey Sat 09-Feb-13 19:16:53

I had the adrenaline insanity too, when I thought my sister was diffed. I was physically shaking and overcome with visions of pushing her down the stairs. Horrid. (I mean it is horrid for us. Not that we are horrid. Obviously.)

Northey Sat 09-Feb-13 19:18:56

<hurriedly hunts for the ray of reconciliation>

DolomitesDonkey Sat 09-Feb-13 19:36:05

Sorry euro, I thought you were gazing at Pyramids.

Aries Didn't Mr. A fill your car with petrol/diesel and break the company vehicle somehow?

EuroShagmore Sat 09-Feb-13 19:37:32

Sorry Rie. Few things rile me like being told to do something I am already doing/ being told not to do something I am not doing, but I didn't mean to snap. I'm upset because last week when I had loads of symptoms I was actually quite excited about testing for the first time in about ever. Now I am just dreading it and need KFZK next to me. I can't face getting the call at work, when he is at the other end of the country.

<proffers a wing of the ray of reconciliation>

Casserole Sat 09-Feb-13 19:48:59

dollop their company vehicle is a BOAT. Whichever way you play this they're gonna win ;)

I am keeping my fingers crossed for a spring clusterdiff. I keep vague tabs on you all from afar but don't poke in too often as it's annoying I'm sure. But everything is crossed <pretzellates> x

Northey Sat 09-Feb-13 19:50:18

Hope is such a killer, euro sad

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Feb-13 20:08:10

Yes but only because he was TIRED! We'd been working 23 on the stretch or something. Didn't break it - old landies are more or less indestructible.

<ccepts ray but only if it's sustainable> Not to worry Euro. Tis a stressful time. I am the same.

Casserole Sat 09-Feb-13 20:14:08

I want a Landrover. <sulks>

Casserole Sat 09-Feb-13 20:14:29

ps Rie I had tuna pasta for lunch. I never know if I'm allowed to enjoy it or not anymore.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Feb-13 20:15:37

Ps wouldn't call a part time teacher and lecturer and owner of a business a dullard necessarily. You're just weljel because he's like really really really good looking grin <Zoolander>

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Feb-13 20:18:01

Cass we sold it when we didn't need to tow anymore. It gobbled fuel, cost a fortune to service and tax, and was rusting. Other than that, great.

Pole and line caught skipjack tuna is ok. Nothing else <strict>

Casserole Sat 09-Feb-13 20:23:25

<giggles at gobbling>

It had a picture of a happy dolphin on it. Is that ok?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Feb-13 20:47:12

No. Dolphin friendly tuna avoids the dolphins but indiscriminately catches everything else, including the much more endangered sharks.

I know. Tis annoying, isn't it?

Casserole Sat 09-Feb-13 20:50:49

Oh. Bollocks.
Wait. I'll go and get the tin out of the bin. You know I live to please you on the fish front.

JethroTull Sat 09-Feb-13 20:50:51

I'm watching a programme about penguins. Aren't they amazing? <chatty>

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Feb-13 21:02:34

I've been watching Crocodile twatting Dundee II when there were penguins on? <sulks> What channel?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Feb-13 21:03:25

Oh Cass you do make me larf.

JethroTull Sat 09-Feb-13 21:12:31

Some digital thing.SSG has this annoying habit of flicking through channels, watching 10 mins & changing it again! I have the iPad & fig rolls though grin

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Feb-13 21:33:08

Oh god, men and their channel flicking.

I'm watching The Full Monty. Again.

Northey Sat 09-Feb-13 21:34:48

I just watched an episode of Game of Thrones on dvd. I am now going to bed. Rock and roll.

Casserole Sat 09-Feb-13 21:37:56

I have failed. The happy dolphin is their only claim. There is NOTHING about sharks.

Casserole Sat 09-Feb-13 21:38:28

I can't believe my tuna pasta has murdered SHARKS.

Casserole Sat 09-Feb-13 21:38:40


ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Feb-13 21:40:50

Shark murderer.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sat 09-Feb-13 21:46:13

I am watching the plane crash thing on More 4. I may never get on a plane again after this <wibble>

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Feb-13 21:50:27

My mum and dad had to assume the crash position once, when landing in Beirut. Mum's been a loon about flying ever since. Or maybe sane.

JethroTull Sat 09-Feb-13 21:57:52

I fucking love Game of Thrones Northey. Have you read the books?

Now we are watching Worlds Most Dangerous Flights on Discovery. I am going to bed.

JethroTull Sat 09-Feb-13 21:58:31

Beirut Rie? What were they doing there?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sat 09-Feb-13 22:00:30

I'm not a fan of flying. I'm not scared, but I just don't like it. Plus I get travel sick <memories of vomming when coming into land at Cinncinati>

<and on the Southampton-Cherbourg ferry>

<and the Anglesey-Dublin ferry>

<and the Liverpool -Isle of Man ferry>

<even on the concrete bottomed snorkelling boat we rode in the Dominican Republic> blush


ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Feb-13 22:10:47

Oh dear Frank grin

Jeffers, it was before the war when Lebanon was a luffly place.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sat 09-Feb-13 22:18:11

I thought you'd appreciate my lack of sea legs Rie grin


EuroShagmore Sat 09-Feb-13 22:21:38

frank I'm also terrible on boats <recalls dive boat multiple chunder incident from December holiday; poor feeshes having to dine on that>

I used to get pukey on anything that moved. These days I am largely fine on planes barring one horrific landing in Dublin in strong winds a couple of years ago when everyone stepped off the plane looking actually green and trains - I can read and everyfink - but not so good in cars (unless driving) or on boats.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Feb-13 23:06:41

Will I watch Knocked Up? <ponders>

evilgiraffe Sat 09-Feb-13 23:27:38

Thanks for hugs and fish, guys smile We've been out for dinner with friends, men are great as they go "ooo new baby news" and then talk about other things, hurrah.

ItsMutinyOnTheBunty Sun 10-Feb-13 08:37:07

Step away from Knocked Up - a bizarre film at the best of times and all about instadiffers.

I have always pushed to purchase dolphin friendly tuna but watched Hugh's fish fight where they traced back from tin to boat to find half of them were lying anyway confused

I have come away to catch up with my friends my 6th form. Tis luffly. Did have random memory of being in same pub as two years ago, crying in the loo because I guessed one friend was diffed after about four months TTC. Her baybee boy is now 18 months old. Was reminded about that by a comment above too. I guess I am just grateful for what I do have.

Rie I have the same mindset as you - we never do things by halves - health problems mean we're both under consultants, I've been admitted twice in the last year, house caught fire etc. never do things the easy way in our house! Try to hold on to the hope that things will turn around. I am actually having a fairly easy pregnancy cept the little monkey went really ruddy quiet yesterday when I am two hours from home! Curry was the only thing that really got her moving smile

ItsMutinyOnTheBunty Sun 10-Feb-13 08:37:44

(Oh it's Faith with a random NC by the way! I might change it back yet!)

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sun 10-Feb-13 08:53:22

grin at frank being a bit of an Anne wrt travel. I am of the euro-level I think. Just boats and cars if not driving. Although crazy buses through Indian mountains have been known to make me vom...

Also despite it being v serious, the chat on dolphin-murdereress has made me smile. Also frankly, tinned tuna tastes like cat food. If you have to have tuna, have a line-caught steak, HMMM.

Right, I was working. But not all of today! I am off to enjoy the sun soon!

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sun 10-Feb-13 08:54:01

Didn't recognise you faif. Not sure whether I like it, it's so different... (and I am MN's most conservative name changer ever).

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sun 10-Feb-13 09:33:00

Oi I'm not a total wuss when travelling! I'm fine in cars (reading makes me feel sick though!) and on trains, providing I'm facing the direction of travel <denial>

I think I'm just very attached to good ol' Great Britain wink

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Feb-13 10:22:44

I was about to shout WHO IS THIS IMPOSTOR WHO TREATS ME SO FAMILIARLY??? Glad *Faif put the second post up!

Re: the fish, I've found that to be sure, it's best not to eat any unless it's stuff I or someone I know has caught themselves. Something I appreciate isn't practical for everyone....

Knocked Up was unutterably bizarre. But I did watch it all.

Northey Sun 10-Feb-13 10:33:41

Well, I suppose we all got used to phoenixfromtheflames. <dubious but willing> Still, if aries accepts it smile

Is it sunny where you are, lemonista? It's pouring here.

evilgiraffe Sun 10-Feb-13 10:50:16

Temp has spiked again, presumably related to the fact that I feel like death warmed up, headachey and sore throat etc. Also, droid has arrived, the bastard. It's not exactly unexpected, but I am raging and teary anyway.


ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Feb-13 11:13:23

At the risk of sounding like I'm trying to be clever, that's one of the reasons I decided not to temp, draf apart from being too lazy anyway. The whole thing is already too much of a headfuck, so looking at temps on a graph would actually send me round the bend.

sad though, you poor thing. Have a hot toddy and a duvet day <hairstrokes>

evilgiraffe Sun 10-Feb-13 11:22:17

Generally I find temping to be the opposite of a headfuck, rie, as it makes me feel that I can do something rather than be completely helpless. It's just when it does something out of the ordinary that I get confused - but it doesn't do it all that often, at least.

I am curled up on the sofa with tea and a fic to preread for a friend, it's all quite cosy. And England play Ireland this afternoon too, which is always a good thing smile

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sun 10-Feb-13 11:22:23

Sorry evil sad <throws droid in a bag, chucks in a hand grenade & tosses out of window>

Temping has its good and bad points, but I'm generally in favour of it when it says what I want

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Sun 10-Feb-13 11:23:31

<Kicks droid>

Rie I don't chart either, I'm simply too lazy for so much routine!

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sun 10-Feb-13 11:34:27

I hated charting! I did it for three months in 2011, concluded I ovulated roughly when I thought I did and binnend it. I found it a bit much to be confronted by TTC before leaving bed. It would be more interesting now, since my cycles have become fairly fucked since mc (and I really should check my LP length) but I just can't be bothered.

Work is done, into the outside world I go, and the sun has disappeared whilst I was working, stamps feet.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Sun 10-Feb-13 11:37:15

Its snowing here, quite a lot. I'm staying in where its warm.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Feb-13 11:38:05

I know. It's different for everyone and all that x

I'm planning on rugby watching this afternoon as well. I am entirely neutral about this result, seeing as I had my good one yesterday grin

FriendofDorothy Sun 10-Feb-13 11:38:48

I found charting really helpful. It meant that when my temps dropped I knew the droid was on it's way and i dealt with it then.

EuroShagmore Sun 10-Feb-13 11:40:34

I am A Noid. Got up early to work this morning. Someone has checked out the doc I need to work on on our doc management system, which means I can't access it. I just wanted to be done with work for the weekend by about 10am so I feel like I get at least one day off this weekend. Meh.

EuroShagmore Sun 10-Feb-13 11:42:08

Oh, I'm a charting fan too. I like that it usually gives me a bit of warning before Droid arrives. I like to have confirmation that I have oved so we can ease of the obligation shags for the month. And seeing the temp rise gives me some comfort that my body is doing what it should. But I get that it stresses some people out.

Northey Sun 10-Feb-13 14:22:59

Charting is no good for polycystic ovaries, so I am freeeeee of any need to wonder if it would help.

<boobytrap euro's colleague' office, and strolls away from the ensuing explosion without turning a hair>

Has bugsy been around anywhere today or is she sworn off mn for a while?

JethroTull Sun 10-Feb-13 15:17:17

I tried charting but it just pissed me off that on paper I seemed to be normal but still wasn't getting pregnant.

It's pouring with rain here. I've been to my mum & Dad's for lunch & now I can hardly keep my eyes open.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Feb-13 15:20:43

Go to sleep in front of the rugby. It's shaping up to be quite soporific.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Sun 10-Feb-13 15:22:48

Ooh too controversial a NC it seems! smile it was an accident really. I used that NN to get advice in chat (about travelling this weekend) putting in more detail more detail than I normally would. Funnily enough, my sister recognised me instantly smile I forgot the NC was still ongoing when I posted half asleep this morning.

I am home from my adventuring. 'twas luffly but luffly to be home now.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sun 10-Feb-13 15:30:07

Faif is back - prefer you this way smile

Been for a run, laundry is on, oven is on, SB is not here. Vegging on the couch with the papers and some crochet is the rest of today's plan. No more activity necessary.

<sleepy and rosy superhero here>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sun 10-Feb-13 15:31:16

Anyone else following the snooping MIL thread in AIBU? It's hilarious grin

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Sun 10-Feb-13 17:45:34

I'm here, lurking mainly at the moment though. Sorry, I know I seem a bit nuts but I'm trying to pretend none of this is happening, that way time will go faster until I can POanotherS next Saturday. GP has hidden them all at my request.

Apart from cramps and sore nipples I don't feel any different. I just want this time to all be ok.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sun 10-Feb-13 17:49:14

Here to hold your hand Bugs.

EuroShagmore Sun 10-Feb-13 18:06:18

Evening hags.

My work got done eventually, this afternoon. I was planning to do it as soon as I got up, at 8am, so I didn't have to think about work for the rest of the day. So much for best laid plans...

I've been ordering KFZK's birthday presents online while he snoozes on the sofa. Rock n roll, hags, rock n roll.

Northey Sun 10-Feb-13 19:50:27

We are all nuts, bugsywugsy. Every. Single. One of us.

EuroShagmore Sun 10-Feb-13 19:57:35


HavingALittleFaithBaby Sun 10-Feb-13 20:04:36


FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sun 10-Feb-13 20:06:27

What Norf said.

<loves "street" Euro> grin

I'm having some menkul over here, but am refusing to give in to it.

Northey Sun 10-Feb-13 20:12:09

Share the menkul, frank! What up, yo?

Plz admire my streetness too, faif

HavingALittleFaithBaby Sun 10-Feb-13 20:13:14

norf you iz very street. S'up.

EuroShagmore Sun 10-Feb-13 20:16:06


Plz to be describing menkulling frank.

Northey Sun 10-Feb-13 20:17:43

<beams proudly>

Northey Sun 10-Feb-13 20:20:35

How about you, euro? Are you feeling ok about tomorrow morning?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sun 10-Feb-13 20:23:27

Yes Norf, you is well street, innit wink

I might be imagining it, but my nipples keep, er, getting erect hmm. It is not constant but definitely noticeable as they feel kinda tingly. Plus I've had some sensations in my womble. Not cramp, but kind of stretchy IYSWIM. I'm currently 6 or 7 dpo, not positive which.

I refuse to get my hopes up. Blood test tomorrow.

Northey Sun 10-Feb-13 20:25:18

Oo er, frank. <tweaks>

HavingALittleFaithBaby Sun 10-Feb-13 20:34:37

Interesting Frank.....what are they testing? Hcg? Progesterone?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sun 10-Feb-13 20:40:03

Progesterone tomorrow, will have the results by Wednesday.

They've told me not to test till 20th which will be 16/17 dpo, so I'm going to hold out as long as I can.

EuroShagmore Sun 10-Feb-13 20:44:30

Interesting, frank.

I had the nipple tingling last week, at about 7dpo.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Feb-13 20:45:29

You could generally hang coat hangers off mine


EuroShagmore Sun 10-Feb-13 20:46:04

norfy I'm feeling ok, thanks. Fully expecting to see an arctic stick. If it's anything else I will probably faint from the shock.

When are likely to be doing EC?

EuroShagmore Sun 10-Feb-13 20:46:33

When are you likely to be doing EC?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Feb-13 20:48:58

These are nerve wracking and exciting times indeed.

Northey Sun 10-Feb-13 20:51:44

Yes, but you live in a house without central heating, aries. When I dd the same, I regularly took people's eyes out with mine.

Possibly Wednesday but more likely Friday, euro.

evilgiraffe Sun 10-Feb-13 21:11:04

Ooo, exciting stuff, Frank!

I am feeling suspicious. You know how I have always bottled telling my parents about TTC? Well, I forwarded the email about friends' new baybee to my mum (she has met them, so is interested), and got nice email back including : "Hope that you're ok. I love you. xxx" Does that mean she knows??? hmm confused shock

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Feb-13 21:17:23

They were the same in Fiji. I am homo erectus.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Feb-13 21:18:37

Oh draf. I would say she does. Mums generally know us well.

evilgiraffe Sun 10-Feb-13 21:35:35

Oh god, it's not just in my head <wibble>

At least next time I see them we will have been for the IVF appointment so will have something to say...

HavingALittleFaithBaby Sun 10-Feb-13 22:01:28

draf sounds like she's offering you an opening. It also sounds like she's luffly and will be supportive and you need that! Do tell her. She sounds perceptive (let's face it, if a couple have been together as long you have, you've not made a big thing about not wanting to win a baybee, a Mum might well guess that it's not for want of trying).

My nipples are enormous now. Also very brown. It is quite bizarre.. Overshare?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Feb-13 22:05:20

No such thing as oversharing here. When you say massive, do you mean the nippular bit or the surrounding area? <curious>

FriendofDorothy Sun 10-Feb-13 22:10:48

Oh draf your Mum sounds lovely.

Do tell her. She sounds like she would be very supportive and kind when you need it most.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Sun 10-Feb-13 22:14:39

Buzzwams have grown from 36D to 38E - that happened by 12 weeks and have stayed the same since. The nipples themselves -like as a whole, the aerolas, have probably grown half as big again (and they were never small to start with).

FriendofDorothy Sun 10-Feb-13 22:17:24

I have giganticus boobs too. Not sure how big they are now because I haven't had them measured.

EuroShagmore Sun 10-Feb-13 22:17:44

draf it does sound like she does. That was a nice note. I'm still puzzled by my mum's disinterest/offhandedness. I am usually so close to her and I feel very discombobulated by it.

<Admires preggo buzzwams and Rie diamond nips>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Mon 11-Feb-13 07:29:37

<admires gigantic PESH buzzwams>

I'm heading off for my blood test shortly.

Who has tests/appointments today? <vague recollection that Euro has summat going on>

Northey Mon 11-Feb-13 07:42:32

I am on my way for my second scan. Grow, follicles, grow!

Also hoping euro is ok.

EuroShagmore Mon 11-Feb-13 07:43:51

Argh. Motherfucker. Cuntshitbollocks. Wibble.

There's a second line.

I'm not sure if I should believe it. I thought I had tested the trigger shot out last week. But maybe my wee was particularly concentrated or something?

<menkuls like a menkul thing until blood test on Wednesday>

Northey Mon 11-Feb-13 07:56:41

Such language for a prospective CRESH! <shocked>

<grabs: snogs; strips; gyrates>

Definitely believe it, idiot. You tested the line away! This is a proper line!

HavingALittleFaithBaby Mon 11-Feb-13 08:07:56

I told you - cluster diff! Stoopid question - are you ok euro? Head in a spin?! Too soon for the nipple tassels?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Mon 11-Feb-13 08:09:46

Woo hoo! I'm believing it Euro grin

JethroTull Mon 11-Feb-13 09:00:56

YAY!!!!!!! < commences full on nekkid dancing>

TWinklyLittleStar Mon 11-Feb-13 09:08:55


<brings out every day tassles again>

I will save the good ones for Wednesday.

FriendofDorothy Mon 11-Feb-13 09:27:05

oooooooo yippee yay ya yay!

A line is a line (the other line had disappeared hadn't it?)

Cluster diff!

Who's next?

Oh wow I dreamt of a clusterdiff for the BESH and here it is. I mean, I literally dreamt it last night, lines appearing on tests an' all. Hope that doesn't mean my dream about the crocodile doesn't come true too.

I have one massive breast and one smaller one. Thanks kiddo. So I shall prepare to betassell them accordingly.

EuroShagmore Mon 11-Feb-13 09:41:52

Yep, keep your tassels on hold until Wednesday, ladies. I'm not going to believe it myself until then.

I'm still shaking faif. And puzzled. Apparently we need to add hardcore pessamism and being grumpy as fvk to the list of symptoms. Cos I've had absolutely nothing else, save for hurty buzzwams, which I put down to the fanny candles.

JethroTull Mon 11-Feb-13 11:16:13

Euro I had no symptoms the second week after ET. Just sayin....

Sending growing vibes for Frank's Follices

Northey Mon 11-Feb-13 11:20:57

Ok, well, I have two mahoosive follicles at 20 and 22mm, then eight at 10-15mm. Then some little ones. The doctors need to weigh up whether they can bring the middle group on to maturity (18mm) without the top two going over 30mm into the danger zone. Apparenty it is quite a PCOS thing to have a couple shoot away into the lead like this sad They are reviewing and calling me back this afternoon to say whether we will go for egg collection on thurs or fri.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Mon 11-Feb-13 11:33:42

Two great sized follies there Norf, don't forget my one was 22mm when they told me to take the trigger.

15mm is not a bad size either. For my treatment they consider anything over 14mm a potential - hence why they suspend treatment if you have 3 or more over that size.

The Drs have seen this sort of thing before, try not to worry.

Euro, understand your reluctance so will put my tassles back in the drawer, for now.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Mon 11-Feb-13 11:35:07

It's all go!

euro, it's totally understandable to be very cautious at this point. It's also normal to not have much in the way of symptoms as yet. Many of us didn't. Only a puking reaction to intense chemical smell made me wonder if I was diffed.

Well plenty is good news norf. Hoping and praying they find the balance. Can't believe you're so close to egg collection now!

Northey Mon 11-Feb-13 11:48:44

Nor me. If it ended up being on valentine's day would that be a good omen or unbearably naff??

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 11-Feb-13 11:49:26

Another one????????????????*Euro*!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!1!11 I'll wait til Weds with you smile

<cheers *Norf's follicles>

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 11-Feb-13 11:49:49

Totoal and utter boldfail

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 11-Feb-13 11:50:02

And spellingfail.

snowqueenrollo Mon 11-Feb-13 13:34:46

i'm not getting my nips out......you'd all get covered in milk courtesy of my forceful letdown...

euro the only symptom I had was sore buzzwams.....a symptom I ignored completely it having appeared on and off over the two years......will stay quietly optimistic for you. It is indeed an odd mix of feelings when you get the second line after going through so much.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Feb-13 13:37:02

Mega quick sneaky post from work to give Euro a squeeze!!

Menkul isnt it!!

Faith Can you recall your symptoms when you first found out? Did you have any? How dark was your 'line' when you first tested?

EuroShagmore Mon 11-Feb-13 13:42:09

<limpets on to Bugs so we can menkul together>

How are you doing?

Thanks for all the understanding kind comments, hags. I luffs you all.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 11-Feb-13 13:50:05

Not coping well tbh. I'm not convinced this one Will stick despite the aspirin and lomid. I just don't feel any different apart from really sore nipples and cramps in my womble that were so strong last night they woke me up.

I'm dying to do another test but am terrified it won't be darker than that of thurs / Fri last week.

I don't normally 'do' Will power power!

Sorry to be mememememe

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Mon 11-Feb-13 14:53:42

No need to apologise Bugs, we'd all be the same in your circumstances.

JethroTull Mon 11-Feb-13 15:56:29

Bugs I just have extreme tiredness & weird boobs not that you asked but I'm telling you anyway