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Hello - starting a new one as the old one filled up.....

Didn't want to start another...but I really hope this is the last thread for all of us.

<patiently waits for familiar faces to pop in>

Hi red. I hope so too. BFP's for everyone.

Hello - I would like to join. TTC nine months. Hoping 2013 will be the year. Feeling a bit isolated in my frustration as it seems to happen so quickly for my friends, which is tricky. AF due Monday. Impatient. Have got PMS symptons so not that hopeful. But we really gave it everything we've got this month so think it might be extra disappointing. Good luck to everyone else for 2013!! The sun is out, maybe it's a sign.

Good work red fx this is the last thread for all of us.

leen hope af stays away. I am only on cd 8 so need to start dtd soon. I have been rather lazy re dtd so I need to up my game. I was worried about pressuring dh too much but I think I might have gone overboard. He wants more sex

Good luck leen really hope this is your month.
We need to get started too when. DP started off too enthusiastically a few days ago and now he's got a bit bored. I'll have to show some initiative but I get embarrassed. I don't know why I think I'd ever be rejected by my own partner, on a weekend during ovulation but the worry is always there.
How are you doing red? Are you 10dpo?
How did your scan go little?

Oh there we all are! I can tell how fed up you are red from the thread title and your post

Welcome leen

I haven't been myself the last few days, just feeling downright miserable about it all. Feel I have nothing positive to think about. What to do?!

G'day. Happy Australia Day (excuse = DH is from there!).

Trying to be upbeat...

What is it in Pregnacare that turns your wee a fluorescent colour?

Like the title red - very to the point!

Excess B vitamins cause the fluorescent yellow colour. At least we know there's actually vitamins in them.
I wish I could help twinkle. I try to focus on things that I am in control of like looking forward to my holiday and time off with DP.

PS Hi all. Chin up winkle that's an order. Welcome leen - you're on the right thread. We're on 9th month too.

So glow-in-the-dark wee isn't a sign that you've gone OTT?

Ah there you are ok this has got to be the last ttc thread we're all on! 2013 is our year.

Fed up would be an understatement winkle

yes I am 10dpo thingy - had an absolutely awful 2ww.

1-6dpo I had no symptoms.
7dpo - 9dpo I had very strong and severe period cramps and uterus pinching and felt exactly like July when I had the cp. I even had lower backache, sore boobs, bleeding gums and tiredness. Then fertility friend said I might have a triphasic chart. I got so excited thinking this might be it.

10dpo tested with fmu - why did I expect it to be anything else but a bfn

My boobs are not sore at all, don't feel anything now, and cm has dried up completely. Just wish to feel how I did on 7-9dpo - the uterus tugging felt so real.

DH and I are just totally down in the dumps and I am def taking a break from ttc next month. Oh and my temps have plummeted so guess the witch is on her way.

Ffs! I'd take torture in Guantanamo bay over this hell!

Hi leen and sorry about starting this one on such a downer.

winkle I know how you feel.

Thx thingy and res. problem is I have done all the things I want to do with oh as a couple - a family is the only thing I want now. I've been on umpteen holidays, had loads of boozy nights and lie ins. I'm ready to be a mum but I don't have the child to go with it. It's heart breaking. I started a project taking a photo a week to chart my 2013 and I got sad earlier thinking its highly likely the collection won't have any pics of my baby in it.

BIG SIGH

Red so sorry but hoping its too early to test.

Keeping my fingers crossed for us all for 2013.

Red I hear you about Guantanomo! <packs bag for next flight>

One of my only other female friend has just rang me to tell me she's 12 weeks pregnant. Another accidental pregnancy.

I tried so hard to be happy for her but I am just so and pissed off as she was moaning abt having to give up her career and not being ready for it. She knows we are trying and not once did she ask if I was okay.

I am heading into to bed to carry on sobbing.

red sorry . I know it's hard but until you've got to that "we're trying but nothing's happening" stage as personified (not the right word but YKWIM) by this thread, I genuinely think you have no idea of the turmoil that those in that stage go through each time there's a(nother) announcement. Still, you never need to tell others it was an accident and TBH I'm never sure I believe in "accidents" after the age of 21. Contraception isn't rocket science.

Sorry red I think resipsa is right until you've had issues ttc you truly don't understand the hell that it can be.
I think she's right about accidents, people who I know who have become accidentally pregnant either forgot contraception and didn't bother with the morning after pill. Were using the rhythm method idiots or were on the pill / mini pill and forgot to take it right.

I'm pretty sure in all of those cases the women were lax with contraception on purpose and secretly hoped to get pregnant.

As you can tell I have my judgey pants on today.

I know res but I can't help but feel why her and why not me.

Initially She told me she wanted to see if she would get pregnant but just didn't think it would happen with her timing it a week before ovulation. Now she's telling everyone it's an accident. We all know she had been watching her ovulation and the ridiculous part is she even paid to get blood tests done to check her hormone and thyroid levels to make sure she was fertile. Now she's complaining about having to give up work soon and she hadn't planned for it and it just makes me so sad and angry.

I haven't reached that stage yet but it's been 9 months with 6 pregnancy announcements and I just want to scream from the frustration of it all. Just having a bad day. Rant over.

Oh I know you ladies probably don't want to hear this but my cousin is in labour. she's one of us, 18 months ttc, high levels of prolactin, in the middle of fertility investigations when she got her bfp

Haven't had an update but apparently she isn't progressing well . But by the end of tonight they will have got the baby out somehow and she will finally have her baby.

Red I so know the feeling. One of my best friends keeps telling me to be patient and 'not stress' but she got pregnant straight away and doesn't empathise at all. She even got cross with me for not asking about her baby enough. It's very tough. And having to put a fake smile on every time someone announces their pregnant actually hurts. When, it's nice to hear of people who ttc for ages having a baby. I hope the baby arrives safe and sound.

Sorry red. What a shitty day I'm hoping you are too early aswell as if you have a 21/2 week wait anyway 10dpo is really early. Your friend was really tactless to you though especially when she knows your trying!
When how exciting a new baby, and a long waited for one,

red I know she's your friend but that's definitely attention-seeking behaviour, however you look at it. Don't understand that after age 10(ish)!

But know how you feel, still. I have a list on my phone - weird saddo admission - of all the births due in next 3 months + next 6 months then a list of all the ones who I reckon will declare soon. I'm the only one on my third list .

when lovely, lovely for your cousin!

leen your friend sounds very similar to mine.
Res - spot on abt the attention seeking behaviour.
It might sound crazzzie but I am still hoping for a bfp this month.

Although getting very merry tonight with family - on my fourth glass of

red I had a bfn on 10dpo.... - could easily be too early! Fx crossed for you (and legs, toes, eyes...!)

It's a boy

red fatas is right 10dpo is a bit on the early side.

Aww. That's lovely news. Congrats to your cousin.
Still plenty of time for a BFP red. Hope you had a good night.
My temp has gone up today. Which means I ovulated yesterday on cd 12 two days earlier than I was expecting. I was having awful ovulation pains and EWCM so we did dtd last night but now I'm worried as we only managed cd 6, 8, 9 and 12 and this morning hopefully even though it'll be too late. Oh well, at least I won't get my hopes up too high.

Congrats to your cousin when, a lovely boy
Thingy it sounds like you have we'll covered the bases with dtd, I'd have been pleased with that effort!!

Hi kitty, Yeah, I guess it isn't that bad. I think it's just because it caught me by surprise. I thought I'd have two more days of dtd but what's done is done. I'm now going to continue with my relaxed cycle knowing its out of my hands. (this will probably only last a week). You having a good weekend?

Do you just temp thingy or use opk's aswell? Unual to come 2 days early but good in the sence that its less time to wait!
It's sickness central in the kitten house, we've all got colds

Just temping because I normally get a big ovulation dip and ovulation pains for a few days which gives me plenty of warning (except for this cycle). I gave up on OPK's a few months back because I'd get a digital positive but not ovulate until 4 days later.
Aww, hope you feel better soon. Nothing worse than everyone being poorly at once especially because its usually us who end up looking after everyone else.

Another day another round of obsessive sympton spotting. AF due tomorrow.

Thingy that sounds like a fine effort on the dtd. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. It's always a bit of a relief when you know you can't do any more!! The first week after ov is borderline relaxing

Yes, that's how I'm looking at it too. I broke the process down last week and I realised the only stressful parts are waiting to ovulate and waiting for a BFP/AF so I'm trying to make sure I just relax for the most part. There's no point letting it take over my entire life.
I've got my fingers crossed for you leen. What kind of symptoms have you got?

Aw congrats to your cousin when

Leen fingers crossed for you.

I got a smiley on the opk today. If I count cd1 as the mc starting, then this is cd20. But dh isn't home til Friday! Its not looking good for this cycle is it?

feels like bad pms symptoms. Cramping on and off etc. The only thing that is very slightly out of place is a weird sore throat that comes and go's - I keep thinking it's a cold but it never turns into one. But then I think I'm reading into things and it's probably just a sore throat!

That's a really good idea with dividing the cycle up. I try so hard not to let it take over my life. I'm ok most of the time... just the last week before AF (and when someone else announces their pregnant). DH keeps catching me on my phone looking at symptom websites and says its not good for me. He's probably right.

hey everyone can i join ?
hey leen nice to see a familier face

really hope this is the month for us all !!!

TTC 4th DC
on CD 18

Aww congratulations when that's fab news.

thingy you should have covered it will for OV. Have you had 3 days consistent temp rises? Mine started to rise at cd12 but fell again and rose at cd17 then consistently. So it could be gearing up to OV but might not and do it later. Either way I think you've got it covered well.

leen the cramping and sore throat sounds promising. Fx for you.

Marking place so I can keep track of all the bfps that WILL be happening soon

Weechops That must be such a pain having to hope your dh will be home for ovulation. I really hope it works out for you this cycle.
leen fingers crossed that those symptoms lead to a BFP. It's Sod's law that early pregnancy symptoms feel exactly like PMS symptoms.
Hi sam I'm trying for my third DC, big age gaps for mine of 13 and 10 years if I conceive this year.
Red This is the first day of a temp rise. It went from 36.27 yesterday to 36.61 this morning. Normally my temperatures rise very slowly after O and dip to 35 on day of ovulation so it's a bit weird this cycle. I'm wondering if this is Vitex at work. Either way its done and out of my hands now. How are you doing red, did you have a good night?

I am doing much better today and nursing a hangover from too much wine.

Just keep dtd just incase it falls to 35 again.

DH and I had drunken sex last night and I was so happy - had almost forgotten how much fun spontaneous unplanned sex was.

It's good to let go and have fun now and again. Hope your head feels better now. Oh and I will do, thanks. Everyone here is so lovely and supportive, it really helps with this TTC madness.

Glad you're feeling a bit better red.

I woke up today feeling better too. Have got loads done and feel better for not moping around the house.

Congrats to your cousin when!

Thingy - sounds like you dtd at exactly the right time. Fx for you

Hope AF stays away Leen!!

Welcome Sam

Thanks everyone. Red, so pleased your feeling better. I think with this ttc stuff you have to feel really low to feel better if you know what I mean. No AF yet but don't 'feel pregnant' whatever that feels like....
Twinkle totally agree that getting up and doing is the best remedy for feeling low (and some wine)....
Hi sam... V nice to see a familiar face....

Ah, when a boy for your cousin (but what do you do with a boy; I have no idea).

Hi kitty + sunshine. Hope you are both doing well.

red you and me both - altho these days I get a mini-hangover when I drink next to nothing. Glad DD remembered it was the weekend and slept until 8.30 (angel).

Hi wee try not to stress about the dates this month cause you probably need a bit of time (but I totally get wanting to be P again ASAP too).

Thingy that's 5 times in 7 days at JUST the right times. You're covered!

Hi leen - if anyone had told me 3 years ago that I'd be dividing my months into two lots of waiting (for O then AF), I'd have thought they were mad but here we are. And I HATE waiting!

Hi sam and welcome.

Last but definitely not least, glad you've had a good weekend winkle.

Phew, that's me done until tomorrow. On CD15 here with O likely on Tues so let the DTD commence (and pls, pls, pls let this be our month as it's a year since the last unsuccessful P ).

Oh, before I go hi too to red and fatas!

Good luck res for shag week.

I'm on cd4. I'm taking soy this cycle too to see if it helps. Hasn't helped before but you never know!

Had a lovely long bath this morn, then went for a walk and brought a few things for the house. Hub has been doing some DIY and I've been having a good old clear out. I've packed a healthy lunch for tomorrow, got my gym bag ready and I've packed a make up bag so I can start up look after myself and feel like me again

Hello all, especially sam nice to have a new face.

Well operation shag more is a dismal failure so far. Dh has been ill since Wed and I have been beyond busy at work so no dtd. I am on cd9 and am currently sat in a hotel room with no access to sperm till tues night (aka cd 11).

It's not looking too good this month as I really don't know what is up with dh. He seems to have some weird viral thing that's just washing him out. Plus I've taken soy isoflavones so I am likely to ov earlier than normal.

Fx for you this month res go jump DH and get shagging

@ first glance of when's sentence "am currently sat in a hotel room with no access to sperm"

Fx CD11 should still have you covered over OV when.

How are the temps looking thingy - OV confirmed?

When are you due leen - will be good to have a testing buddy if AF is late?

Hi sam welcome to the thread.

No news my end, waiting till Friday / Sat for AF to show up or POAS whichever comes first. Don't feel pregnant at all.

hello ladies thank you all so much for the warm welcome

when you made me laugh with post but I do think you will be ok and still within your OV dates. Hope DH feels better soon.

red and leen fingers crossed for BFP this weekend

Ladies I have a question for yas. my last AF was 10th January and before that was 10th of December so my cycles are longer about 32 days. I have been watching my cycle and I know I ovulated day 13 til 15 of this cycle but i wont be able to test until next sunday. should i not be ovulating later?
I hope I have covered enough days. DTD day 9,10,11,12,13,15,16,17 and 18 should i keep going or do you think i have it covered?
I am TTC my 4th child and I really should know what im doing but my cycles have never beena as long.
doese anyone have any symptoms?
Hope everyone is doing ok today

Sam I OV on cd17 (most times) and have a 32 day cycle but have had the odd cycle with OV at cd13. You've done well on the dtd so should have it covered. Do you use any OPKs? Fx for you too.

hey red no i dont use anything just know by my CM that im ovulating. do you use anything? i have heard so many different things about OV tests that I dont know if there any good or not.
It looks like im a sex mad maniac lol we dont normally DTD as much as I have a 6 month old baby we havent had much chance but the more time we made for eachother the more we realised we wanted to DTD if that makes sense?
When will you be testing?

Sam if you want to try opk, I use the digital clear blue ones. You get a smiley face when you ov. Dead easy

weechops do you just pee on them first pee of the day? how many days do you get a smiley face in the month?

Sam I think it sounds like you've done an excellent job. Sit back and wait one now!

Red, am due today. Dh wants me to leave testing as long as possible to save multiple upsets so am definitely going to try and wait till the weekend and possibly beyond. When do you think you might test. Would love a testing buddy. That is of course depending on if and when AF rears its ugly head, which feels like it could be soon.....

sam you pee on them at the same time each day - I do 1st thing when I get up - I start poas around cd10 as my cycles have been going from 28 days to 35 days. Usually get a smiley around cd16 and sometimes goes onto day17 too. Buy them online though as you can get them cheaper on amazon (and refills there too)

Too scared to use AIBU so gonna ask you guys instead:
We were at a 2 yr old's party on Sat. His great grandma was there; pretty unsteady on her feet and using a cane. To cut a long story short, she ended up tipping half a cup of tea over my DD's head (she was carrying it from the kitchen area of a church hall, DD was on a ride-on going backwards, no one was paying too much heed as the place was full of toddlers - you get the picture). Thankfully, it wasn't too hot but if it has been we'd have been looking at permanent facial scarring. AIBU to have expected a "sorry" rather than a tut?

<delurks> def YANBU! Could have been a disaster!!

Ps I think anyone who posts on AIBU is mad - they are like a bunch of rabid dogs over there!

AIBU is scary! I lurk on there a bit but would never actually post. I don't think my skin is thick enough for it.

And no, YANBU she should definitely have apologised to you and checked dd was ok. Old bat! (ageist I know but my elderly dad is pissing me off so I have no sympathy for oldies right now)

Also de-lurks!

No, res, YANBU...it could have been so much worse. If she's that unsteady, somebody should have been fetching and carrying for her, especially bearing in mind it was a toddler's party.

res YANBU could have been so much worse.

I've posted on AIBU a few times but only when I'm feeling very brave.

Still in the hotel but opks are very negative iykwim so I think I should have lots of time to dtd.

Omg I can't believe anyone wouldn't be horrified if they had acidently caught a young child with even a warm drink I'm amazed! Yanbu at all what a horrible old lady and what on earth would you expect from a 2yr olds party!! My dd has pulled the dregs of my tea over her from the side cabinet and I was so angry with myself for not putting it completely out of reach and for seeing an accident, I'm always so careful around little ones with hot drinks

YANBU!!!

Don't know if you remember my bad mother moment in Nov when dd grabbed the cup of tea I'd stupidly left in her reach. The burn on her arm was awful, you can still see a bit of a scar now, but I'm hoping that will fade. At the time I was glad it wasn't her head or face and that it was done in my care, because if someone else had done it I don't know how I'd have felt about them. So glad your lo was ok, that could have been awful. I'd have felt so bad if I'd done that to someone else's kid.

Hi to you all by the way! <resumes lurking€

Definitely not being unreasonable res. That could've been awful. I would have struggled to stop apologising.
red my temp has stayed up so I guess the Vitex gave me an early ovulation which happened when I started taking EPO too. I don't think we timed it well at all but an early ovulation means a shorter cycle so I can try again soon. How are you atm?
The waiting to test is the worst leen. I hope it goes quickly for you.
when it sounds like you have a cooperative ovulation this cycle. Not long till you get hold of the sperm (still giggling at that).

Hi all... I'm really new to all this and tbh it's really overwhelming was wondering if there was any advice you lovely ladies would have for me. Feel a little daft as only been ttc for a month but dh is quite a bit older than me x. Good luck all xx

Yates def not being unreasonable res DH had a similar incident happen to him when he was 8yrs old and an old bat spilled very hot tea on him. He had to be stripped and put under ice cold water. Had bad burn marks on his stomach and the scars are still there. She should have been more careful around children running around! Makes me mad to this day!

Leen I will be testing fri or sat if AF doesn't show up. 12dpo currently and bored out of my mind.

You are*

res i would be livid if it was my DC that that happened to. The old lady shouldnt have been carrying cups of tea if she wasnt capable of doing it i would even be nervous carrying cups of tea round kids.
can i ask what AIBU stands for ? is that a really stupid question?
how is everyone tonight?
leen cant believe ya havent tested yet you have great will power
i am on my 2ww and its driving me crazy already

I would be livid too! Silly old woman!

Ha, ha! Knew I could rely on you not to roast me (no pun intended, poor wet DD who didn't even cry when it happened ). You've made me feel better as others there (1) seemed to think we over-reacted a little when, frankly, we barely reacted at all to avoid ruining the party and (2) didn't agree that it's for the adult (however old) to be responsible and not to carry hot drinks around kids if not capable. Phew, off my chest, thanks all!

Sam AIBU - am I being unreasonable - a board on MN for the brave only!

Ha, ha also at the grads de-lurking to answer. Feeling protective at all? Lovely feeling, isn't it <sighs>?

Hi Pixie and welcome. We'll drive you insane in weeks if you're not there already.

Resipa.. Thanks for the welcome... I'm feelin super stressed out what with day counting and everythin... Had a copper coil for 2.5 years and am wondering whether I should wait a few months to make sure I know I'm having regular cycles or whether to guesstimate for a couple of months .. Hope things are goin well with you xx

How is everyone today? Red how are you today, have you carried on temping??

Hmmm feeling disheartened. AF hasn't come yet but don't feel pregnant. All cm has disappeared, which I guess means it's I way. Bit fed up with ttc today. I miss the days when we weren't trying and I didn't have all the lows. Sorry not very cheerful. I'll rally.

hi kitty how are you doing?

I have put the thermometer away.. I am so thoroughly fed up with ttc.

Feel like AF will make an appearance on cue . I will know by Thursday (thank goodness!) as I start spotting 2-3 days before.

leen know how you feel - I could have written that same post. Lowest of the low

Leen + red - it ain't over. You know the rest. Even if she comes, that day could be the day from which you date your future pregnancy. For some reason, I usually find that thought quite comforting but it might not work on you.

When how's the hotel stay going?

I'm expecting a smiley face later; on both OPK and DH, I hope

<still lurking>

res - yanbu but tbh im not surprised - she does sound like an old bat tho!!

Oh dear - got smiley on OPK but not DH (just cause I accidentally knocked his bad knee and said sorry but obviously not quickly enough) so now on DTD tenterhooks as he's been known to be a complete bastard, I mean a bit childish and refuse to co-operate when in a bad mood in the past. I'd better play it right or my luck's out! Eek!

Oh res looks like you'll be sucking up big time then to your dh manchild for tonight! Fx he gets over himself and does his duty.

My dh shitty job strikes again. Ok I know the weather isn't under their control but still, pah! All flights delayed so there will be a backlog come friday, and he may not get home til Saturday. No eggy getting fertilized this week then! Was a long shot anyway since I ov Sunday.

Ah, wee and there's me moaning when he's in the next room. It must be really hard

Hi ladies. Can I join? TTC number 2, on cycle 8. Am currently on the 2ww (roughly 6dpo) after having taking a few weeks away from mn to curb my obsession with ovulation!!

Managed to Dtd cd9,11,13, 14 ,16 and 18 so if I didn't cover it this cycle who knows what you gotta do to get a BFP round here! Not sure if I ovd as hardly any noticeable cm but that might have been down to my new approach of not looking for every little sign an just have lots of sex

Anyone testing this week (sorry I haven't read TE whole thread but its quite annoying on an iPhone)

Well dh and I don't really get much time to piss each other off with the way his work is Just as he's starting to get on my nerves, he's away again. And before I can really miss him too much he comes home. It works for us. Just not when we want to make a baby!!

weechops I can imagine how hard that is. Tell him
To book some hol from work over your fertile week

Ahh wee that sucks, it was sometimes the same for me and dh as we used to both work shifts and sometimes never even saw each other awake for 4 days but I could still force him if necessary!!
Res- we once had a fight when I had smiley but I found crying worked lol just told him that because he'd turned me down that it had put another 6 weeks on a possible baby, another 4 weeks till the next ov then another 2 ww, just because of a not feeling like it or fight, he seemed to get how big timing is and manned up after that! bloody men
Red I know after so long you must feel like why is thus 2ww any different but Ive felt for sure once I was pregnant once but at the same time this time didn't feel pregnant at all and got a neg with a superdrug test at 10dpo, I even refused to send a congratulations text to my friend as she chose that day to send me her yeay I'm 12wks pregnant text! I remember those bad times, it'll be you making the texts soon !!

Hi haylebop <waves and grins> Cycle 8 for me too now. Not counting from mc as it'll just upset me. Really need to think about home freezing I think for dh spermies

Thanks kitty giving me some hope there.

wee are you OV on Sunday this weekend or was it last weekend? If not he might still be in time!

res we've had angry sex a plenty - told DH to snap out of it once as I needed a 'deposit' from his factory and told him to go sulk after he said he feels like a machine and a very used one at that!

red I had this with DH... "You only want me for my speed"

"Yes dear, that's right now lets get on with it"

Sperm*

I cracked and tested. BFN. Really gutted. We really did everything we could this month. Overwhelmingly gutted.

Gutted for you leen ttc is tiring and cruel. So sorry.

leen sending u big big hugs sweetie hope ur ok. there could be a chance its wrong testing with pee at this time of day test in the morning with first pee and see if it makes a difference?
red hope ur ok to and keep ur chin up easier said than done I know.
not feeling very positive today to get a positive this month either but suppose time will tell.
has anyone got any symptoms yet?
hello to everyone else hope ur all ok

leen sorry about the bfn, they suck.

Hi resipsa I am back home again and not only do I have access to sperm we have dtd . Operation shag more is officially back on track. although operation no booze in Jan went a bit wrong on Monday night

Cd 11 - ov expected cd17 to cd20

Leen sorry. It's the worst feeling, isn't it (but you still might be too early).

when good work! And a little of the hard stuff is good for you .

Well, last night went as predicted: a row with this type of comment - performing seal (DH), donor sperm/divorce/no effort (me). DTD in the end, though.

red?

Well done res glad you got your seal to perform.

Also said he wasn't a show pony but later conceded that probably wasn't the right turn of phrase. We didn't do it in public!

- performing seal is classic, show pony even better. I might try those on DH next month.... or not maybe.

No news my end. Waiting for spotting / Af to commence. Def don't feel pregnant.

Wow you are all so lovely. It makes me well up!!

red I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you so much.

sam thank you! It was quite an impulse test. If AF doesn't show I'll test again but first thing in the morning.

As for seal chat... DH always says to me: "you only want me for my sperm"... I say noooooo not all. Inside I'm like, pretty much.

Can you tell I just learnt how to bold!!

Go res!

leen really sorry for the bfn but you're not out til af shows so keep hoping.

Hi all and welcome to newbies.

I broke my dry jan and ended up getting drunk really easily and crying about babies.

So no more booze for me as it doesn't help.

Oh bless you twinkle, crying about babies

[leen] it is a bit odd af has still not arrived. Def do another test in the morning if it still isn't here. I am desperately trying not to treat dh as the sperm bank, I keep complementing him on his performance. Hopefully he thinks I just want his body but in reality I mostly want the sperm.

I feel quite bad writing that as I do enjoy sex with him, I am just a bit obsessed with ttc at the moment.

Oh winkle the evil booze - great when it exacerbates a good mood or you're really bored with the company, otherwise a disaster. Think positive.

red any news?

Do any of you do "temping"? I did it this month to try something new and don't know if my figures show ovulation has happened. The results were 36.1 on Sun, 36.1 on Mon, 35.7 on Tues (+OPK), 36 on Weds and 36.3 today. Do you think the rise to 36.3 is the rise I should see? TIA!

Hi everyone. Looks as if I will be back with you lovely ladies very soon... x

fatas what's happened?

fatas you ok?

resipsa sorry I can't advise on temping. I tried a bit when trying for dd but I am not very with it in the morning and kept forgetting to check my temp first thing.

fatas hope you are okay? what happened? x

res I temp + use OPKs to give me confidence that I do ovulate. Most of the time my +ve OPKs have coincided with temp rises. Your temperature must rise for 3 days to confirm OV. Try again tomorrow morning to see if its at 36.3 or higher. If yes, then it means you OVed on Tues when it dipped to 35.7 - hope that makes sense.

no news my end, feel certain AF will arrive

So sorry to see you back fatas

Thanks red and my fingers remain crossed!

fatas oh no are you ok? <big unmnetty hug>

Just back from hospital. Reassurance scan not so reassuring!! Possible ectopic possible blighted ovum. Have to wait 48h for repeat hcg unless I get tummy pain etc (fx I don't!!!) but essentially not good news. Was prepared. Not a shock but just wish I could know now and not have to wait!! (As everyone always wishes!!!)

Grrrr stupid body...

Fx red for af staying away! Some good news would be nice

fatas that's awful, I'm so sorry. Hope you are ok and it all gets resolved quickly.

red I've got my fingers crossed too. How many days post ov are you?

15dpo when Just feel nothing but the all too familiar AF signs.

sorry again fatas hope DH is around to give you a big hug and cuddle tonight.

So sorry fatas. The waiting must be awful.
Hi res, I agree with red. It looks like you ovulated on the date you got your +OPK. Mine usually dips that low when I ovulate too.
Good luck red, hope AF stays away this time.

Red Hmm 15dpo? I hope you're wrong about af being on the way.

The soy isoflavones don't seem to have done much re my cycle. I have heard you can get lots more ewcm early on in your cycle - but it hasn't for me. I was also hoping for an increased sex drive, the jury's still out on that one. I'm having a lot of odd sex dreams but sex drive isn't very high in the day time.

At least I can reassure myself ov isn't about to start anytime soon and I haven't missed to boat.

My luteal phase is 16 days when So I think she will come tomorrow.

Sex dreams, eh?

I am only dreaming of red spots. even in my dream yes! I dreamt I wiped and had lots of red spots and AF had arrived. Woke up to reality and thought argh! still waiting to find out.

res are you using Fertility Friend to track temps?

Oh my god just read something really important via Dr Google should really be working but hey ho

Semen is thought to be important for implantation and embryo development. It's a bit new and there needs to be more trials but it is thought that sex after ovulation is important too.

I think the theory is that factors in the sperm encourage the uterine lining to accept the embryo and also help it develop. Why am I only finding this out now? If I knew this back in April I might not have had all those bloody chem pregs (assuming I actually did something out it that is).

Right operation shag - it's on. No more giving up post ov for me I'm going to keep going (maybe every 3-4 days post ov).

red 16 days is a long time to wait. Still got my fx.

Maybe I should get dh to have sex with me while I'm asleep?

when - yes, sleep sex, definitely!!! I def think shagging through whole cycle is the best approach, no way that sneaky ov can get through the net then and of course Dr Google also advises it...so it must be true, right?!

red - Still keeping fx we'll see you on the grads thread over weekend if AF doesn't show her face and she better not or i'll kick her!

fatas - said it on the other thread already but

I'm trying to do the same when. I kind of give up after ovulation and my sex drive disappears. My DP said his boss's wife got pregnant a week after ovulation so we should keep going. I just stared at him blankly not knowing where to start with that one but we might as well carry on just in case.

Well red you have more willpower than me! I would have to test at the point you're at!! But then I am a POAS addict...

thanks littlemiss I wish I could be over there on the weekend too.

when I am going to try morning sex next cycle. dr. google says testosterone is high in the morning which results in higher sperm count and better quality sperm. I guess that explains "morning wood"

DH is going for his second SA tomorrow, so will be interesting to see the result in 2 weeks time. Hope the morpho numbers improve with the supplements.

red I'm pretty sure DD was made one Sunday morning.

red my dd was the result of morning wood (shocking that resipsa's conception story is the same ). I kind of leapt on him after a sex dream, maybe these odd dreams are a good thing.

Good luck with the second SA red.

I can just about drag my arse out of bed in the morning, let alone have sex!

Cd9 here so will start the pointless shagging

when not-secret-anymore-twin - my mum was in the spare room at the time. If yours was too, that'd be really spooky!

What website told you about the new semen-is-good-for-more-than-the-obvious info? I need to read it. DH likely to be delighted that post-O dry spell might be a thing of the past!

here

resipsa here it is. It looks quite interesting, they looked at couples going through ivf. I think they will need to do a few more studies till they can say there is a clear benefit but I'm you g to try it anyway.

Oh my mum wasn't nearby, that would have been beyond odd.

So basically that article says have sex but no female orgasm which could interfere with implantation!! Happy days for the boys

I didn't even think of it that way fatas

If I'm having sex after ov I'm damn well going to enjoy it. Plus dh is not great at performing whilst being informed of ttc details. I have to pretend I am lusting after his body let's face it we all just want the sperm

when read it. I'm sold. Am gonna DTD without big O at least every three days for next 2 weeks. Can't hurt!

Sorry guys, you lost me after 'no female orgasm'. I'm out.
DP held his boss's baby yesterday and got very broody, well worse than normal if that's possible. Everyone at work was saying he'd be next and he had to pretend he wasn't even trying. I feel bad for him but he's always positive. I realised I have mentally separated the TTC part from the idea of a baby. I did that after 3 months of trying and also stopped looking at baby items. I imagine this will lead to an odd realisation that I'm actually having a baby when I get that BFP.
How is everyone else doing? Lots of people gearing up to dtd?

Ha thingy reading your posts feels like reading something I wrote. Your poor DH. People just do not think (but I was one of them until we started this TTC fiasco). And if you have achieved the mental separation successfully, you'll probably be like me in pregnancy; I really didn't get the pregnant = baby connection until the end (which explains why I was already 10cms dilated when I rang the hospital - not so much denial, just disconnection).

Any news red?

How're you doing fatas?

she's on time
came on this morning.

Oh bollocks to it. Sorry red

Ah red I'm sorry

Feeling a bit rubbish this morning. Very pessimistic but keep having flashes of optimism which make the bump back down to earth more painful stupid ttc

Oh red I'm sorry

fatas

Hugs to all who need them

for fatas and red hope you both have someone nearby to give you both a big hug.

So sorry red. I hope you get a relaxing weekend with lots of pampering from your DH. Same to fatas too.

I do sort of feel quite disconnected from it all res but when I get that BFP everything will fall into place. I find it helpful to separate the two things so I don't get upset. I really don't want this to take over my life if I can help it. DP's excitement and positivity is infectious so it's impossible to dwell too long on the negative sides of TTC anyway.

fatas those flashes of optimism are cruel Even now when I am already spotting I am still holding out hope it might not come one fully. How stupid is my brain and mind?!

I feel better knowing and not being in limbo now. Last year, I never thought i'd be typing this but hey ho - Roll on cycle 10.

I am all out of optimism, ditching the OPKs, the temping, the constant tracking and monitoring, no pressuring DH for sex. I am just fed up of ttc.

thingy I like disconnecting pregnancy and baby too because then it doesn't become all consuming. I haven't got a clue on how to be a mum and I am not remotely interested in finding out all things post birth etc. not until I have my own baby.

My pregnant friends who are popping don't seem to understand and keep sharing every tidbit and tips of being new mums with me. I don't want to know how to raise babies just yet.... I just want them all to sod off.

Oh red I did that every month! I even had a few months when I tested even though I was bleeding as I couldn't believe with all the DDT that month that I couldn't be pg!! It drives you bananas!

*ttc

How are you doing fatas? Good luck for your results tomorrow. Hope your optimism wins and wishful thinking but I hope the first scan was a mistake. Will be thinking of you tomorrow.....

I wish they had a hug icon on mn!

Thanks red - I wish there was a hug icon too! MNHQ - find us one!!

I just ate two fat buttery crumpets (just after a cinnamon raisin bagel also drenched in delicious butter!) I love fat and butter!!! Shame it only makes you feel better while you are eating it... Now, what's next <plunders carb packed cupboard>

Fatas, raid the biscuit tin! I've only just lost the Christmas biscuit weight. It was worth every calorie. Hope everything is ok tomorrow.

Mmmm biscuit tin , I know what you mean fatas I have a sweet tooth and a fat tooth [doom emoticon]

Also the gods of ttc are clearly taking this piss this month. I definitely have a cold coming on. Dh's dad has a flu and is on his arse - I am praying it doesn't turn into that.

Also dh's best friend came round, he is having work done on his house and has been staying in a hotel. I asked him is his house liveable in. He said just about - what he actually meant was there's no electric, gas or water and all the floorboards are up. So no not at all liveable.

I told him he simply must come and stay with us for a few weeks while it gets sorted. He moves in on Sunday.

It suddenly hit me argh we need to be dtd. How the fuck are we going to dtd with him around. Argh

red really sorry

fatas thinking of you x

when sneaky shags in the upstairs loo while he's downstairs? Quickies in the kitchen while he's in the shower? Umm really quiet ones at nighttime? You will manage!

Hi all

Cd11 here so should start dtd but really CBA!!

when try to keep really still and put something under the bed posts so it doesn't creak too much

AF hasn't started yet-bloody annoying as my cycles getting longer and longer. Going for a walk in the sunshine. Feels like spring today. Lots of birds twittering.

Winkle - know the feeling.

red so af still hasn't arrived. I am recrossing my fingers for you.

Come on winkle get dtd.

weechops good plan. If we dtd in my office he would be quite far away so wouldn't hear a thing.

Cd15 here and got a on the opk. Bloody good job I started early this month dtd on Tues and last night so definitely need to convince dh to shag me tonight. Have got a cold coming on so will have to pretend to be well.

red I know I shouldn't say it but...breakthrough bleeding maybe?

Was in a good mood here until 2 mins ago when got text from DM to say that cousin who married (a surgeon! in Malta! DM much prefers him to my DH) in May is 12 weeks. Oh joy.

fatas what's the score? Fx for you.

Had row with DH. DD asleep. Am bored and only 3DPO!

Anyone got any good news/jokes???

No good news or jokes. What was the row about (guessing it was ttc related)?

Just need to get dh to shag me again tonight, it's a bit of a big ask two nights in a row but hopefully he will comply.

Hi all. No news yet - have to wait til tomorrow morning! Been feeling sick and exhausted all day! Would be ironic if got lots of symptoms now!!

fatas it's crap if you suddenly get symptoms for no reason. Best of luck for tomorrow's results.

Dh has promised to dtd later I feel like I'm about to come down with some hideous virus and am doing my best to pretend I'm well.

resipsa sorry about the news of your cousins pregnancy. I've decided to stop looking at Facebook for a while as at the moment there's a new pregnancy announcement every couple of days.

Honestly it's like they've put something in the water but I'm not getting my share of it.

Woo! You're on a promise when. Lucky you. It's ridiculous how weird sex gets when you're TTC. Suddenly theres a role reversal which the man isn't as happy about as he once dreamed and then theres the strict time restraints. I think I'll look back and laugh at how serious we were about dtd in a few years. Hopefully anyway.
I'm being really frugal atm to save for our holiday, pay off my small overdraft and secretly to save for a possible IUI if it comes to that. I won't tell DP about that though. He'll think its unnecessary but I'd like to be prepared.

Ah when dose yourself up with paracetamol and plenty fluids and fx you'll be just fine - and then you can be ill for 48h til you require more sperm!

thingy I know what you mean about saving for iui but not saying to DH - mine would be the same but at least you feel you are doing something - otherwise the rest of TTC is so out of your hands

red haven't you tested yet?!

Res I beginning to hate those people who get pregnant quickly after getting married.

thingy you probably won't need iui but its best to be prepared. Dh seems quite up for sex I've clearly been underest

Underestimating his sex drive damn you iPhone -posted too soon

fatas how did you know my plan. Honestly the second I get some sperm in me (I assume that's what you meant by plenty of fluids ) I am going to take to my sick bed.

Hi, sorry for the pregnancy announcements from friends etc., I've deliberately never announced on Facebook, I'm all too aware how annoying that can be to read. People who know me well enough to need to know don't need fb to find out.

I'm still lurking here obviously and hoping that there will be some lovely news on this thread.

weechops I hope you're doing ok and feeling physically recovered now.

fatas not sure if you're here or on other thread or both but I'm thinking of you.

And the rest of you too, of course

Yes when that's what I meant

Hi sunshine I'm sort of on both Freds really (after my dramatic goodbye on the other Fred!) you are all lovely so I am spreading myself around

Hi when. Row was DD related, rather than TTC. All part of the same bag in a way! Guess you've had your supply for the weekend by now !

red we're still interested...

Hope you're doing OK, wee and fatas.

Hi thingy. I know this thread isn't really the place but when we went to the fertility clinic , they basically said IUI was a waste of money. Part of me sees the point as success rates are quite low but the other part thinks, yeah, you're bound to say that cause it's so much less profitable for you than IVF. HATE the thought of someone potentially profiting from our TTC wait but that's life, I know (no pun intended).

Bet my DM thinks my cousin's baby will walk on water. Jealous, me?

Just popping over to see how you are fatas? Hope you are coping with the waiting ok, will be over again tomorrow to see how things are xx

Hope the rest of you are all doing ok too

Just popping on the wish fatas good luck for tests tomorrow, the wait is horrible but still hoping for good news especially with sickness and exhaustion!
When- hope your winkling!
Winkle- hope you've found the motivation just think when you get that bfp you can give up dtd like me hope all you other lovely ladies are having a good wkend

Thanks for all the luck everyone - ill let you all know how it goes (and hopefully manage to get some sleep tonight!!)

And good luck to all the shaggers tonight, as well as all the 2ww-ers

kitty I am winkling as we speak. Bit shagged out now, def having a rest for at least a few days. Not sure if ov will come tomorrow or Monday, hopefully tomorrow as I've covered it quite well.

Sorry I haven't been around today. DH took me out for a lovely meal. We spent a lovely dinner not talking abt ttc or babies. It was a fab evening. I am feeling strange. No AF cramps. No AF. No spotting even. Horny as hell! So badly want to have a shag.

Took a test and didn't expect it to be anything but a bfn. Just wondering why I am so late. This is very late for me. Just hope it starts tomorrow so we can get started on cycle 10!

res it's awful hearing or reading about those pregnancy announcements. I thought I'd be used to it after hearing 5 but the 6th one got me even harder and felt like a punch and kick when you are at your lowest point.

thingy hopefully you never have to use that pot of money and it happens soon for you.

fatas hope you find out soon. Good luck for tomorrow.

winkle and when hope you keep filling up with sperm fluids

Glad you had a lovely day red

Well done when for dtd

Kitty and littlemiss I so wanna join your thread!

Been out this eve but will start dtd tomorrow, promise! Will be cd12.

Well done when!!! The times I've fallen pregnant I've dtd before aswell so I think it is those few days before aswell as at time of it give you a really good shot!
Winkle I want you on our thread aswell and it will happen we will all be one again soon!
Red, glad you had a nice evening and sorry for bfn, it's so frustrating when you don't know what going on with your cycles

Hello everyone, hope you're all ok. I might lurk on this thread for a while if that's ok. I was on the BFP in 2012 thread (under the name of yikesherewego) and managed to get a BFP in Nov but had a TFMR in Jan as the baby had chromosome abnormalities and heart problems. So back TTC again. Would be good to have some company of familiar 'faces'!

Hi someday (aka yikes) I remember you. It's good to see you again but I'm so sorry it's because of such an awful reason.

How are you doing?

Hi someday.
I've heard so many conflicting things about IUI's res but I think it'll be our only option if it gets to that point because IVF is completely out of our reach in financial terms. I'll feel better to have that money there just in case. Far too early to worry about that though.
red I don't know whether to wish AF stays away for you or not. It must be so frustrating waiting for AF after BFN's but I've got my fingers crossed for you.
Hope everything goes well today fatas

Hi yikes sorry to see you back here remember you from the 2012 thread. Sorry for what you are going through.

No sign of AF - 3 days late now.

Hello yikes - sorry to hear about what an awful time you and your do have been going through :-(
But welcome back...

Well my hormone levels are still rising so they think it might be an ectopic possibly - have to go in and be poked and prodded and have 'more investigations' - great

So sorry fatas. Any ideas on what these investigations are and when they will happen? The waiting must be awful.

Hi yikes, I'm so sorry you've been through such a rough ride
And fatas, what were your rises if you don't mind me asking? Do you know what they were ?
Red- is there no sign at all? What happened with previous spotting? Has it completely gone?

Hi someday, I remember you. Sorry to see you back and hope your stay isn't long.

Red - what cd are you on?

Hi someday I remember you too. So sorry to see you back here again.

Dh got word of a job near home today! It might amount to nothing, but just the possibility of him being home every night has cheered md up.

All spotting stopped and on cd35 don't know what's going on. I have still had no red spotting or bleeding. Just brown cm on fri and sat -
Nothing today. YET.

Sorry fatas hope you find out soon.

Wee - fingers crossed for OH's job.

Red - I don't know what's going on, but I do know those long cycles where you don't know what's going on are so annoying I've been there.

Well red I know we all talk about implantation and I know you'll probably think well its not that but you never know, I had it with dd and it was just 1-2 days very light and majority brown, fx it is as it wouldn't be unusual to still take another day or 2 to show up on a test if it was?!?
Fx for mr weechops that would be lovely for you!!

Will go to docs if AF doesn't start by Wednesday.

Tmi alert-I have very dry brown blood. It's not even liquid or wet just dry pasty stuff. It's less than a drop a day.

kitty I wish you are right but I have a feeling she's just around the corner and will come the minute I get my hopes up.

red it all sounds a big odd. Hope you find out what is going on soon.

weechops the possible new job for your dh sounds interesting.

twinkle are you busy dtd?

fatas thinking of you.

The opks were still positive this morning but have just gone negative.

It's a good job we dtd yesterday as I have some horrible virus today. Not feeling too optimistic for this month as I am sick and only managed to get 3 shags in before ov (on cd 11, cd 14 and cd 15). Ov expected tomorrow cd 17.

Will try and get a few post ov shags in once the illness has cleared up.

Hope everyone has had a good weekend.

Ok after a brief episode of 'its an ectopic' (after the on call dr scanned me) the consultant came in and saw me and scanned me again and said doesn't think it's ectopic. More likely blighted ovum but sac has grown in 3 days so will be rescanned in a week.

Am actually relieved! Thought I was going to have to have my ovary/tube removed for a minute! A blighted ovum seems like a walk in the park compared with that (hopefully!!) so it's still a waiting game for now

Sorry to hear you're not well when - and red hang in there, have got my fx for you as you never know...

fatas that's good news. I never thought I would congratulate someone on having a blighted ovum at least it's better than an ectopic. Hope you are getting well looked after and can get back on the ttc bus asap.

I just have a bit of a bug, should be over it soon.

Thanks when. Actually I am not being looked after at all! DH has decided his sore back trumps my gynae problems and has taken up residence on the sofa. Feeling really fed up and wish I had relatives near by who could come and look after me (I only want someone to be nice and make me a cuppa!!) but DH is being a shithead and I'm cross with him.

AF has finally arrived. Painful as hell, but glad it's started finally so I can move on.

fatas glad your not having an ectopic. Men are weird when it comes to ttc and don't really understand the emotional trauma we go through. Hope Dh comes around soon and looks after you x

Hi red I can't remember if you're seeing a doctor at the moment but do you think it might be worth keeping a diary of how af is in the days leading up to it, like what you've said about consistency/colour etc. it might help them with helping you to get pg if you are seeing someone, or do in the future? I'm sorry af got you. I was lurking with my fingers crossed for you.

Sorry she got you red.

Fatas - big hugs and glad it wasn't an ectopic

Haven't dtd yet when - will be starting tonight.

Sorry red I was hopeful aswell, she is a bitch!
Fatas glad it's not ectopic men can be so crap in these circumstances for you you and

We are seeing a fertility specialist sunshine but. I think this months weird AF must be down to the Hycosy this month. It's the first time I have had anything like it.

It's okay winkle I am already looking forward to what Feb holds for us. I know only a few days back I was fed up of ttc - it didn't last long because I am now hoping feb is our month. Hope is a weird thing. Never fully goes away.

Hi girls
Just popping in to say hello. Sorry a few of you are not feeling well.
Fatas glad it's not ectopic. I had the same palaver as I had a PUL and was almost kept overnight due to ectopic fears. It's odd isn't it? Once you have that fear you are almost happy to have a miscarriage! Hope DH gets his act together and looks after you.
Hope more of you join us on the other side soon

at your dh fatas hope you get more sympathy soon.

red sorry af got you. Onwards to Feb.

Have dtd

Hugs to you fatas. Hope your DH steps up and takes care of you.
Glad AF finally turned up red. It makes sense that the hycosy could've been to blame there.
Have you been doing lots of winkling and pinkling twinkle? (I've completed forgotten the words).
9dpo here and operation 'chill the hell out' is going well. I only temped over ovulation and I'm not symptom spotting at all... Well, maybe a tiny bit until I snap myself out of it. I'm refocusing my energies elsewhere. My house and finances are now organised to the nth degree.

I've only done one dtd Thingy! And quite nice it was too ;) Will go every other day till about cd20. Currently on cd13.

Well done on that first shag of the month winkle

I'm on cd 17 I think today is ovulation day. I should be dtd to night but there is no way. Still poorly sick, I am at work but am not being very productive.

Yikes (as I remember you), God, that sounds heart-breaking. Puts my concerns into perspective. Hope you are getting through things OK.
Sorry red. You sound positive which is a Good Thing.
Hope your DH's whisper turns into a reality wee.
Fatas - men - no more needs to be said. After I'd had my ERPC last March, DH arrived 20 mins late to pick me up cause he'd been putting the washing on. He thought that I'd thank him for it! My sac kept growing until week 9 despite there being no embryo in it; the body just didn't want to let go.
Hi kitty, sunshine, lol - hope all OK with your Ps.
Hi too to winkle, when & thingy.
Had an announcement here this morning. Colleague had a boy on Saturday. Both fine. Feel oddly just happy for her and not (yet).

Res I feel oddly happy for all pregnant friends popping the babies out. I don't know once the babies come out I am no longer envious. It's more seeing those bumps that seems to affect me.

Yay on your first dtd winkle

when poorly shags are the worst. dh had 'no snogging' rule as i was all bunged up. Really hard to get turned on! Hope you feel better soon - have a hot cuppa soup.

Thingy - not long to go....any symptoms at 9dpo?

Hey lovely ladies, just thought I'd pop over and wave my ttc pompoms for you all (so to speak!)

fatas hope you're doing ok, very glad it's not ectopic

and for everyone caught by AF, hope she buggers off for you all soon

really hope to see lots of you all over on the grads fred very soon xx

OMG - BFP arrived on our first month of TTC

All the signs were there but i could not believe that i wasn't symptom spotting

So due date of 13th OCtober - bring it on being very careful for the next 8 weeks!

Appologies to all those ladies who haven't had good news this time, i haven't back read all the posts

Congrats Mrsb! Not jealous here at all .

Hi kitten.

Mrsb - this is a thread for long term TTCers.

Wish you all the best anyway.

fatas - glad you're not facing an ectopic, wishing you all the best for next week. Hope you're able to evict DH from sofa!

Congrats MrsB.
No red, nothing really. I'm trying to avoid symptom spotting as I'll find out by Sunday anyway. I've even put on my comfy bra so there's no way I can imagine breast soreness this time. No doubt by midweek I'll be back to reading everything into a slightest twinge.

Congrats mrsb I'm insanely have been trying since April last year.

The cold plods on but feeling a little better. Dh's best friend moves in to tonight, he is worried about imposing but I am thinking great free child care. will just have to dtd in my study

Hi Everyone, first time poster and TTC#1, it's going rather more slowly than I'd expected, and I've been stalking the TTC forum for a while, so thought I'd just join you all! Keen to share the experience...

LLL x

Congrats mrsb. just so you get the right support, we may not be the right thread for you. As twinkle said, we've all been ttc a long time and are hoping to get our bfp in 2013. Why not have a look on the antenatal threads. All the best x

Dh has sent his cv to this company I told you about so we will see. Fx! I think he'll be home for ov around feb 25th anyway if trips stay the same. God I hope so!

I think I may be posting in the wrong read! Been TTC since September 2012, just read that this is a thread for long term TTCers, not sure I've been trying long enough to be here! Lol I'm happy to move along to another thread, let me know!

LLLx

Hi LLL welcome to the crazy crew ;)

Hi LLL. I don't think there's a minimum time limit for TTC to be here. No one would want to join us if that was the case! I think I introduced myself on here after 6 months of trying. Where are you in your cycle right now?
I really hope he gets the job weechops. It'll make the TTC a bit easier if he's home more.

Hi love I love your name welcome aboard.

when will you be doing the 'shove everything off the desk' move in the study? I have always wanted to do that ;) have fun!

thingy sore boobs sound promising, fingers crossed and hope the clock ticks by soon for you.

Welcome LLL!

Soz if my msg to mrsb sounded abrupt, was posting quickly at lunchtime!

It was just a bit out of the blue wasn't it?

Very!

Doesn't she realise I'm bitter and twisted and hate people who get pregnant first month of trying?!

3 pregnancy related announcements today - one birth, one due and one miscarriage. Oh and a bump pic on FB. Can about one beat that?!

Funny story: went out on Sat night and OHs best friend was really sweet about the baby thing. He knows we are TTC. He told me to stop treating it like a science experiment and go right back to when we first met and couldn't keep our hands off each other and think about how we felt back then, etc.

Anyway it worked! We had a rather, ahem, vigorous dtd sesh yesterday! I actually broke my bracelet with all the passion going on

Ooh lucky you winkle - sounds good!!

lll you should stay here. We are a lovely bunch (honest). Where are you on your cycle, is it dtd time or the dreaded 2ww.

at winkles post.

red I think I will leave the sweeping desk stuff to winkle. My desk has a glass top which would be a bit nippy.

Hehe! If I get pregnant this cycle I'll have to name it Pandora after aforementioned bracelet!

I didn't even feel like responding to mrsb. Why do people do that? Join random threads and rub it in. Was tempted to post "good for you" my standard response to anyone in RL who tells me they fell in the first month.

Yay on the broken pandora bracelet winkle Spooky winkle but I had a similar chat with my mate today who told me the exact same thing. Don't use the sticks and temps as they take all the passion out of it.

So going to go for the just shagging thing this month with full on passion.

The passion really can go. As we were march off to dtd upstairs (last week) I very nearly started chatting to dh, I was going to ask him how his mother was getting on looking after his doubly incontinent grandmother.

Thank god I realised what I was about to say and stopped myself.

Pandora's a funny name for a boy tho...

Hi LLL welcome to the looney bin!!

He he, was a bit like going on a dieting thread to announce that you're skinny!

Sorry, mrsb, don't mean to offend, congratulations to you and yes I would try the ante natal board.

We're not bitter on here at all! I got so pissed off at pregnancy announcements before I got bfp that even when dh told me about close friends of ours that I was happy for, my first response was to snap something like 'oh, them as well now' and was unable to hide my initial response. I think af had just come though so it's understandable.

I'm still being funny about 'announcing' my pregnancy. Just quietly telling people as and when I see them. I'm too aware that it's not always easy for others to hear.

Hi lll <waves>

I'm one of the thread graduates but we still keep coming back here as everyone's so nice. In fact, I think a lot of us are here more than the grads thread.

winkle as always am thinking about you and hoping for you this cycle.

fatas how are you?

Hi sunshine I'm ok I guess. One minute really sad and the next hopeful before I remember that it's ridiculous to even be contemplating hope in this situation. Still another 6 days til the final scan then I can get booked in to have it all taken away and make a new start! Work was a bit of a struggle today too... Didn't want to take this week off as will prob be off most of next week if they can book me in ASAP for erpc it fries your head just trying to think about it all.

Anyway! Enough me me me! <passes round some hot chocolate made with REAL chocolate>

Another 6 days hope it goes quickly for you.

Eek! Mrsb has started a AIBU about us! Famous!!

Ooh...de-lurks to say well done on the AIBU thread ladies! :-)

I'll wave pom poms with Kitten while I'm here!

I hope you get answers and can start to.move on quickly, fatas <hugs>

Hi nic - I'm sorry but now we are famous you can't just delurk willy nilly <puts nose in air>
Just messing- thanks for the hugs <hugs back>

Can someone link to the AIBU thread?

Fatas just want to send you a big huge virtual hug. And I will gladly partake of your hot chocolate yum!

Sunshine I nearly spat my tea over the laptop reading your diet thread comment heehee

I've suddenly become loaded with the cold today and dh tried it on earlier. I said i feel shitty and can't get in the mood so he said I'll remind you of that if you have a cold when youre ovulating! Well obviously I would man up for that!

It's called 'to feel a little hurt'

I feel bad about what I wrote now, so I've put a little sorry on that AIBU. Although that place scares me, I'm worried about how I'll come across. I didn't want to make her feel bad but did feel like I wanted to discuss it with you guys as it was a bit of an out of the blue post. Maybe I should have pmed her instead of putting it on AIBU <wimp>

I said sorry too!

<scoots over to the scary world of AIBU to have a peek>

I just read back - lol @ your story about Incontinent grans, when!

Aw fatas are you sure you shouldn't have a few days off to look after yourself?

Oh fatas that's really tough that you have more time before you know properly what's going on. Keep talking to us on here if you're feeling down. Are there people in rl who know what's going on who can support you? As well as your oh I mean? Sometimes a good chat in person with a friend and some cake can really help <hug>

fatas I wish I could come over and give you a very Big tight hug. Please talk to us if you need to get things of your chest. Xx

You are all so lovely <wells up>
Thank you for all being there. Nobody in RL understands at all. My family are miles away and dh's family done even know about our last mc so a couple of friends are being lovely and sending me messages which is good but I would be way more without you all xxxxxxxx

Blimey that's two of my old threads that ended up on AIBU lately! The other one ended up in a elderberry pavlova being banned!! We are getting well famous now. Might stick around to see the excitement.
Hope you all doing well. Anyone poas soon??

I just saw I missed someday's post. I remember you yikes and so so sorry to hear your news. I hope you are ok.

fatas I want to give you a big hug too. This sounds really cheesy but I think it's important that if you feel upset not to hold it in but let yourself have a good cry. It feels crap at the time but I really believe it makes things better in the long run.

Oh fatas it's the worst thing in the world, it really is and we put on a mask so as not to upset others or make them uncomfortable, let yourself come on here and vent whenever you need to! <hug>
Just been reading up today's drama eek can't believe that women just randomly came on said hey everyone I'm pregnant without reading any of the thread then went on AIBU!!! I did think when u saw it had she joined before as didn't recognise her but thought it was strange you'd just come on and announce a bfp otherwise, I think fair enough the title isn't the most obvious but I think it's really poor form to not read any of the thread first or get a jist about what it's about before posting something, surley you've only got yourself to blame if you do that?!?
Plus I don't think you were rude at all!

kitten I spied on the sept Fred that u make cheese scones - if u r still lurking can I have the recipe??

I did cry a bit today sunshine as I was driving into work. I couldn't hold it in! But had to keep it to a minimum as makeup would run and eyes a bit puffy - didn't want people at work to notice. I was trying to cry yesterday as I thought it might help but it wasn't til this morning that I did (not much of a cryer really) and it sort of helped! It's just the overwhelming feeling of unfairness really! But could happen to anyone...

Looks like I missed a bit of drama tonight! Silly really. Hope she is feeling better about it all now.
Fatas, I wish we could do more to help. The waiting must be awful, I can't imagine. We will be here to support you as best we can.

lol what happened with the other thread that ended up in AIBU <nosey parker>

fatas poor you, holding it in so your makeup wouldn't run. Sunshine is right with the (cheesy) advice, don't hold it in.

I keep checking AIBU to see if MrsB has accepted our apology - nothing yet.

Also hello to the other MrsB <waves at nic>

Right, that's enough Internet for me today. On an American TTC forum a thread appeared asking what traits you hope to pass down to your children. One woman wants her child to be autistic so they'll be alike. She can't see a downside. I don't even know where to begin with that. As a mother of an autistic boy I just can't wrap my head around it. I'm sticking to this community from now on, it's weird out there.

Hi, When :-)

I think the other Mrs B is probably a bit embarrassed by the AIBU response she got!

Thingy, that is seriously weird and totally bizarre about the autism. What a strange lady.

It IS unfair fatas

When - the thread lol is taking about was from the other thread we're on (ttc baby no 1 over 30). One of the ladies jokingly went on AIBU about people symptom spotting. Didn't end well!

fatas one day it will be okay. Things are raw at the moment. Just let it all out and have a good cry.

Hi mrsbri hope you are keeping well.

Hi mrsbri didn't see you there!

I thought after all the controversy I seem to have started today I needed to come back and apologise.

I didn't mean offence and in my excited state wanted somewhere to share my news, my apologies I chose the wrong place. I also don't feel anyone was rude to me here.

I started the aibu thread to find out how I had got it wrong, yes I am a little embarrassed by some of the posts there and on my way over to apologise there as well.

There are things the mumsnet talk guidelines do not make clear, such as posting about another thread being wrong - I will expect from far more experienced mumsneters

I am sorry both for my crassness and lack of knowing how talk boards work

Hi mrsb we know you didn't mean to cause any offence, neither did we. Mumsnet is great, imo, but I can see there are conventions that it's easy to miss if you're new. Have a look round some of the other topics (AIBU scares most of us here!) especially pregnancy and antenatal groups.

I lurked for quite a bit before posting to get the feel of the place... I can still just sit and read lots of threads without even posting.

Enjoy your pregnancy, if you have any problems or questions, you can post in 'pregnancy' for support, or later on in 'breast and bottle feeding' or one of the 'being a parent' topics. I hope it all goes well for you

No hard feelings mrsb. I genuinely wish you a happy 9 moths. Hope you meet more mnetters who can help you on the pregnancy / ante natal threads. I know you didn't mean to hurt us and you haven't. X

I've never actually read the mumsnet talk guidelines [shame].

OMG. I cannot believe that I missed all of the excitement. And my post was QUOTED on AIBU!
Mrsb I genuinely wish you well but have to say that my "congrats" post (added first after your announcement) was typed through gritted teeth!
Fatas God, I feel for you. I remember very well being in the same boat this time last year. The day I was going for the repeat scan, I remember looking round the office and wanting to shout "how can you all be so happy and carefree, don't you know what's happening to me". They didn't, of course, so I didn't but not feeling you can say anything to anyone is so hard. As the others have said, that's why we're here .
wee fx for DH's potential new job!
MrsB hello. I haven't forgotten what we discussed. Do you still want some input? The person I asked has been off sick (and, of course, she's 6 months P!).
Hello to everyone else, including lll. Bet we can't match yesterday's fun today (yes, that's a challenge).

Where have you all gone?

I reckon that I'll post a lot today - am in the no man's land of 6/7DPO and need distractions from the whole TTC subject. Of course, posting on a TTC thread is a really good way of thinking about something else (doh)...

res - just came over for a quick lurk! I missed all the AIBU excitement too...bah... I'm sick as a dog again since last night. Did part of my usual hours in work last week and thought i could handle a normal week this week but a 7 hour day of mostly just sitting resting in a toasty office did me in and i've been throwing up copiously since.

hope everyone here is doing ok and shagging away? Who was trying vitex this month? Noticed any changes? I cant praise that stinky brown liquid highly enough!!

Fatas allow yourself to cry when you need to. It's a shit time and you need to look after yourself!
Res I hate mid tww. It's a pointless time isn't it?
All this excitement is making mn a fun place to be lol!
Hope you are all ok. I'm really hoping our grads thread will get some of you over soon

I am stuck in the house for a few days til we crack potty training. Third time lucky and I think he's actually got it! He's using the potty before he pees (and he's done 5 already) and only had one accident. So proud of my wee guy Although still slightly terrified of having to go anywhere in the near future. Luckily dh is home for now.

The downside is that I can't keep away from the biscuits! Every time I go in the kitchen I'm looking for something to nibble. Why do I do it to myself, I'm overweight as it is!

Hi resipsa urgh the 2ww. I'm only on 1dpo, bored already.

Are you dtd in the 2ww? We plan to but have a house guest and I am still a bit poorly. We will probably dtd on Thurs or Fri, see if I can get the protective benefits of the sperm working.
This is only a theory but it feels quite nice to be doing something different.

I think today will be a lot quieter. No more excitement for us.

Hi when - was planning on DTD in accordance with the research you found but have been a bit lax - managed Thurs and Sat - might try for Weds then a final fling at the weekend! Got DM staying from today so a bit tricky as you know. Hope your DP's friend is grateful for the roof/bed etc. Imagine if he read this thread...

Hi lol and littlemiss.
wee if it's a success, top tips to me please. DD (just 2) starting to say "no nappy" but not sure that she gets the proper alternative (ie not the bath!).

Yes wee throw any tips my way too. Dd hates hates hates the idea of even sitting on the potty.

HVs just tell me not to push her and she is clearly not ready for it yet.

Just read on another thread someone said she used a mooncup after dtd to keep it all there? Has anyone heard of/tried this before?

He had a little bit of blood this morning and some little tummy pains - hopefully it might all pass naturally - I would def rather not have to have erpc but want it all to get sorted quickly. No more crying - don't feel too bad really considering! It must be all you ladies being so lovely

Hello ladies! Thanks for having me!

Tried OPKs this cycle (4), but only got the feint line which was rather frustrating did get some OV pain on two sep occassions though...

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHopeful I actually think I'm in the 2ww, but have an irregular cycle so not 100%. Although, its not dreaded as much this month, because I've been trying to be really positive this cycle. Lots of yoga, other exercise, no caffeine and lots of visualisation (which has worked for me for other things, so I thought why not with pg! lol)

Who else is in their 2ww??

LLLx

SunshineOutdoors never heard of using Mooncup like that, but I have been known to do the odd shoulder stand (yoga) for about a minute after BD lol

I love opk lll but do think the cb digital are worth it to work out when ( for me once if worked it out I only needed to use about 3 a month ) the is so much easier to interpret

Hey kittykats, thanks for the recommendation, interpreting whether or not the line is dark enough is stressful in itself! I did just order some super senstive ones from a website online which were also recommended by a MNer, but hopefully I won't need to use those! fingers crossed

wee - i was hoping to be on top of potty training by now but i've had to delay it till sickness stops! Hoping to get fully stuck in the last week of Feb and see how it goes... If you have any tips let me know too!

My dsis did her little boy at 21/2 he's 3 now and doesn't even wear one at night now which I think is pretty great, her best advice was don't think they will ask for it, they never do, she said when you do it make the desicion and don't put them in them again. Pull ups just confuse as they work like a nappy, they need the shock of feeling wee and having to stop what they are doing ie playing because they've not gone the toilet, she said you will have some accidents but that it won't last long, less then a week and she just asked all the time to begin with if he needed the toilet hth

Hi Resipsa :-) Fx you get good news at the end of your 2WW. So dull waiting though, isn't it?

I think I may have cracked it, actually...since I told them I knew my rights it has got better. Weird, eh?! But thank you for your offer, I really appreciate it.

Fatas, fingers crossed you do continue naturally. If a baby is lost, I'd think that is preferable to surgery / medication. If you want a friendly face up your way, let me know. Though pregnant me may be the last person you want to meet up with. Though you can never have too much cake! :-)

Hope everyone else is OK and on the way to good news. We need you in the grads thread.

littlemiss when and res Bribery works for my wee guy! He knows he's going to nursery after the summer and he knows he has to use the big boy toilet, so I used that incentive to get him to give up the nappy. It wasn't that he couldn't do it, he was just bloody stubborn and didn't want to!

So in the morning I take nappy off and show him where potty is then leave him to it. If he hasnt gone in half an hour I ask him if he needs a pee and twice he said ok I try and did it. The rest of the time he's just taken himself off and said I need a pee mummy. Poos as well with no problem! He only had one accident today when he was wearing his trousers but he was ok. Just put his big boy pants on instead and he was fine after that.

I know I'm going on a bit, but I was so stressed thinking he'd never do it and he's really amazed me. He's 2 1/2.

LLL definitely get the clearblue digital ones. Theyre really easy to use.

Cd14 here, monitor peaked, will dtd later.

Anyone getting a sense of de ja vu here? I must have said that a million times by now. If anyone can think of a more creative way to say it let me know!

Oooo lots of posting today girls loving all the chatter.

wee yay and well done for your dss potty training efforts. Good to hear DH is home too.

res and when 2ww is hardest part of the cycle. My plan is to start reading this month for the whole month. It seems to be the only thing that provides me an escape from ttc. It worked for me in July. I read 6 books that month!!! On the downside DH told me to join the library ;) as too many books were bought that month.
Hope the clocks tick quicker for you.

lll I use the Internet cheapies and have a fade in and fade out pattern on my OPKs so helped me a lot more than the smiley face ones. Fingers crossed you don't have to use them.

AF is still here. Does anyone else feel horny when AF is full on? I just find DH totally irresistible at this time of the month it's the same around OV time too but even more when I have AF which is pants.

I love opks. I use the digis and then I like to eject the stick and investigate the lines as well. This is a big step up for me, do you remember when I was doing 4 a day?

What does ov pain feel like? Yesterday and today I have had a sharp / aching feeling just to the left of my uterus (of at least where I think my uterus is based on period pains).
It could just be me symptom spotting or it could be the soy isoflavones working.

winkle cd14 sounds like a good time to have a peak.

lll fx for you on the 2ww. I thought the excitement yesterday might have scared you off.

sunshine I have a mooncup but I'm not sure what use it would be. It wouldn't keep sperm near the cervix. Maybe if you put it in and lay down with it in it might stop some of the sperm escaping.

little I tried vitex for the first time this cycle and I ovulated on CD12, same thing happened when I started EPO. How's your morning sickness?
red I found reading to be really helpful. I became far too absorbed in the Game of Thrones books to worry about symptoms. Atm I'm throwing myself into being frugal, saving money, learning new recipes, baking our own bread and trying to read the Silmarillion. I've barely thought about the 2ww this time. It really helps.
when that does sounds like ovulation pain. You better dtd! Mine are pretty impossible to miss. They are very painful and similar to normal cramping with the added extra of feeling an uncomfortable pressure on my cervix.
LLL the digital ones are very easy to use. I don't bother though as I have long LH surges but I can see how they'd definitely be useful for most women.
Thinking of you fatas, hope you're doing ok.

When - I have stomach pains too and I took soy as well. Fx it's a good sign.

Girls, a question: diet food or organic food? Which is better for ttc? I'm 11st and like to be around 10st so I do need to lose weight but I don't want to eat low fat versions of things cause of the chemicals.

What do you advise?

I lost weight quite successfully by calorie control twinkle. I stayed under 1200 and lost 2 lbs a week. I'm quite small though so you might need more. I ate grilled chicken, fish, veg, wholemeal rice, fruit, salad... So very healthy and low calorie. Low fat/calorie ready meals are only useful as a last minute solution if you're too tired to cook and they tend to taste awful. I used (and still do) 'My Fitness Pal' app or web which helped me go from 12 stone to 8.5 in 6-7 months.

when my OV pains are near my abdomen area - and they feel like stabs that are sharp and clearly felt. I normally get it on both the left and right ovary sides. Always a few days before they opk turns positive an they stop 12-36 hours after the positive opk. I have seen this pattern 4 cycles in a row.

winkle i am not sometimes sure how organic is organic food in supermarkets or green grocers. So just stick to good quality fruit and veg.

I am also trying out raw veg through the month for the last 3 cycles. As i read raw veg helps with fertile cm. So eat raw carrots, steamed broccoli and asparagus, boiled beets and raw cherry tomatoes at lunch time. Basically injecting myself with nutrition for lunch and then carbs in the evenings don't make me feel so bad. I am a vegetarian so find it difficult to cut carbs out.

I used to do ww so I'm used to dieting. Can you post a typical days menu? Mine today was:

Skinny latte, organic apple, organic orange

Half chicken, salad, corn on the cob from nandos
Yeo organic yoghurt

Dinner was bolognese quesadilla - organic mince made into bolognese in 2 wholemeal wraps with 25g organic cheese with a side of organic rocket, spinach, watercress.

But that's 1511 cals and I don't think that's a bad menu?

I'll do my shred DVD later too for exercise.

Mine was rooibos vanilla decaf tea, banana and apple.

Lunch - 5 hand sized carrots and mushroom soup from canteen.

Afternoon snack - pumpkin seeds, rachels organic yoghurt and another banana, herbal tea

Dinner -veggie chilli con Carne and rice with sour cream guacamole cheese etc.

Also throughout the day I count and drink up to 4-5 500ml bottles of water. Or 4-5pints.

Pre ttc I never drank more than a pint of water a day.

I am about 9 stone. Try to eat healthy lunches but I love having filling dinners as I am not really a breakfast person tried to get myself to eat breakfast but for some reason my stomach just isn't ready for food at 7am.

I'd be wary of hidden calories in Nandos food and mince is very fattening but it looks healthy and the calories look good.
I tend to eat 200 cals for breakfast, 300 for lunch, 400-500 for dinner and 200 on snacks.
Typical 1000-1200 calorie day-
Breakfast: slice of toast or porridge.
Lunch: salad with boiled egg (very filling) or slice of ham and minimum dressing.
Dinner: grilled chicken breast (most filling food for fewest calories) with seasoning, wholemeal rice, veg.
Snacks: small handful of cashew nuts or mixed seeds, apple, clementine, hot chocolate, 1 cup of tea, 2 fruit teas.

Forgot to add my calories per day are around 1000-1200 as well.

I eat a lot of fruits blueberries, strawberries, kiwi fruit, clementines etc to snack on. Also the 4-5 pints of water makes me wet like a fish in my fertile period which I never had before. My cm changed so much from increased water intake it was what has motivated me to carry on drinking more. Now I get thirsty if I don't get enough water in the day.

Thx for the menus ladies.

So mine was actually ok apart from the nandos.

Tomorrow for lunch I have falafels and salad, might stick then in a wrap to make more filling.

I'll take note on the mince and try not to have it too often.

I'm posting this to try and shame myself into getting healthy. I was using the tesco diet plan last year and lost a bit, but I lost motivation and now I'm 12 stone 4 I'm heavier now than I was after both my pregnancies. Signed back up to tesco diet tonight and really going for it now. Thingy - is the app really helpful?

Wee are you losing weight doing diet food or healthy food? Eg I can have sweetener in my tea but I'm having half a sugar instead as sugar is more natural.

Healthy food. I don't have artificial sweeteners as they make migraines worse so will cut down on sugar in coffee. Don't have it in tea anyway. And I need to go cold turkey with chocolate and biscuits!

Yes it is wee. You have to commit to it and log everything you eat and drink no matter how small. After a while it becomes really easy to use because you can put in your recipes and it remembers all of your usual foods for each meal. I wouldn't bother inputting exercise because I think it overestimates the calories burned. Don't worry if you have an off day or week, just start back up again.
At the very least it gives you another focus and goal other than TTC. One that you can actually control.

Thingy nail on head! Was just saying to my friend a few months ago that I needed a project apart from TTC so was going to lose weight. Now at 60kgs (9st 7lbs) and 5ft 8in with BMI of 21, mission accomplished. Feels good and love clothes shopping again.

If only the other project were so easy to control!

Do you potty guys think just 2 is too early? I'm inclined to leave it until the weather is better when DD will be 30 months or so and we can be in the garden but don't want to delay her for selfish reasons!

I am addicted to my fitness pal app too. I lost a stone through it as it showed how many calories I was consuming and helps me track my water intake as well. Def recommend the app.

I'm on mfp but keep going over my cals

Res It feels so good to have control over something especially when it could help with health and TTC. I'm trying to lose the last 7 lbs before summer but it gets harder when you have less to lose. I need to get motivated again. ... From what I recall my kids were potty trained when they were two. I had a lot of pressure from my mil at the time to do it by 18 months. I think it helps to wait until warmer months though.
*twinkle, when I first used it I was surprised by how many calories I was consuming. It takes a while to adjust and find the foods that fit in with your calorie allowance but it is definitely worth it in the end.

Urgh, I really should do something about my weight bmi is 24 is not technically overweight but getting a bit close.

I really fancy trying the 5:2 diet (the fasting one). But it isn't really recommended when ttc incase it messes up your cycles. When I get pregnant I think I will try the fasting diet while breastfeeding, I tend to produce loads of milk so hopefully it won't affect my supply.

lll I think I might try the visualisation thing. If I can get my mind I the right state hopefully the body will soon follow.

When my sis is currently doing that fasting one, ill let you know how she gets on!
My friend at work uses that app and has lost loads, she loves it and it has worked to shed her last stubborn stone!
Res - my mum is a potty pusher too as I was done at 18months so my dsis started nephew at about 9 months just sitting on it, by 18 months he did all his poos on it ( one morning one night) he was very predictable then she fully did him between 2-2.5 he did take to it really well but was summer aswell and he was naked outside alot so I do think its easier then, I've tried with my dd and at 9 months she did do a few poos and wees ( didn't get it but we could sit her on it with toys) but the moment she's been able to walk (12months) she's not used it again, she goes to get it and says pot pot but only sits on it for 5 seconds as she never sits still. the longest I get her to is if I read to her etc but its still only 5 mins max not long enough, I think if your dd is more patient you could defo start now and maybe just do it before bath or first thing in the morning but my dd is defo not at the point of getting it yet but nephew definatly did, I think it's a try and see but if they are regular with poo times it can be a good place to start!

24 is fine for your Bmi! Mines 26 so I want to get it 25 and under.

Dtd last night! That's cd12 and 14. No jewellery casualties this time

twinkle I'm glad you didn't have another jewellery casualty, dtd could get quite expensive.

Bmi of 24 is ok, I would like it to be lower but that is mostly vanity, I hate clothes shopping at the moment. It's harder to find things I like that look good and with dd I just don't have the time to have a good look.

Eek. Just re-read my last post; makes me sound like the kind of woman I really dislike (oh, look how well I did). For context, I was very o/weight (13st) as a teenager/young adult so am constantly grateful for my no-longer-fat self.

Res you should be proud of yourself. I'd be smug as hell if I managed that

Dh work called and its not the news we were hoping for. He goes to a new rig on the 14th for 3 weeks and I bloody ov around the 25th! So looks like I have no hope of trying again til the end of march bit gutted.

Oh bugger wee

Res - 9st 7 is my ideal weight. Very

Do u know what I just thought? I can't frickin WAIT to get off the Conception boards!!!!!!!!

Wee I think I'd be at the point of contemplating collecting sperm in pots for his absence!! How long can it last for?? His stupid job!
Res- well done you no need to think you sound smug, I was 13st at my biggest and 5,8 aswell, went to 9,12 for wedding and 9,5 at lowest, havnt been able to go below 10,4 since dd though and just hit 11 I wonder if ill ever get back to that lovely 9st place again < wistfull dream> I know it's all for a good cause but still ( I always found the shameful thing that I was actually lighter when had dd then I had been before getting married!)
Winkle- one day will all be a distant dream.......you will be skinny, you will be happy and you will get that bloody bfp!!!!

I feel too fat too. Just had an enormous hot choc with lashings of cream and a big melty cheese thing. Yum fricking yum! Be - diet starts when hcg normal!!

resipsa you should be really proud of yourself. It gives me hope that I too can shift some of my extra poundage.

twinkle I will miss you lot but I feel the same, I am soooo ready to graduate.

weechops grrr at your dh's job. Is it time to revisit the idea of sperm ice cubes?

fatas that sounds yummy

Not feeling too positive for my chances this month. Still feeling like shit and uterus like pains are still here at 2dpo. Also due to illness have not dtd since Sat. <sigh> oh well BFP in March sounds good.

Desperate times, desperate measures and all that..... I just googled home freezing sperm and nope can't do it, they'd all die. I did find a kit you can buy for $350 + shipping to store the sperm, but I'd still need an embryologist to remove the antifreeze(!)from the sperm before inseminastion. So I'll be waiting til march then!

Me too! March sounds good

at weechops googling home freezing sperm. I'll try with you and fatas for a March BFP.

Only 7/8 DPO but reckon I'll be with you in March too!

I didn't lose all my excess weight at once; it took years all told but I did have a final push in 09/10, right before the BFP with DD in fact. And in my 40th year!

Guess I was sort of hoping it might work again; not so far, obviously .

Haha twinkle I know what you mean. As lovely and supportive TTC boards are you can't escape the feeling of being in a waiting room for months on end. I thought I'd be preparing to push a baby out by now.
11dpo and I'm having a big skin breakout. Guess AF is on its way on Sunday. Didn't expect anything less because I ovulated earlier than we were prepared for. I'm looking forward to a weekend with just DP and myself, some films, chocolate and maybe wine. He's cooking all weekend too. So I'll end up with omelettes or something on toast but as long as I'm not cooking I don't care.

Ditto winkle and thingy can't wait to join the graduates thread.
Skin break out sounds good thingy, do you normally get that at 11dpo?

Res - fx this is your last 2ww....

In the last two months I had spots appear everywhere but I definitely get more especially around my chin just before AF so I think I'm out but I'm taking it in my stride this month. Keeping busy has really helped.

thingy I found (when preg with dd) that pre menstraul symptoms were almost identical to very early pregnancy symptoms. You would think this would stop me symptom spotting but I still do it every month. Sunday isn't too far away but time drags on the 2ww.

Starting to think my achy uterus is just caused by this bloody virus. It's making 50% of my body ach so why no there too.

Yes every time I have been pg I have been UTTERLY convinced af is coming and then on the day she is due suddenly I don't feel as much because I normally get v bad period pains that day and there is suddenly the absence of them!! So keeping fx for anyone almost due on!

Morning - blimey you lot have been causing some trouble havent you?! gutted I missed all the excitement, will have to go and have a quick search for the aibu fred!

weechops big fat booo to your DH having to go away again, although good work on investigating all the options, shame it wouldn't work out though <mental image of wee's freezer full of tiny pots of swimmers>

fatas glad things seem to be happening on their own, fx it continues that way. Just saw you asked for the cheese scones recipe, so here it is;

210g self raising flour
1/2 tsp each of baking powder, salt, sugar and mustard powder (optional)
40g butter (cold, grated)
90g grated cheese
100ml milk

Method; put dry ingredients into a big bowl, tip in the grated butter and mix it all up/poke it about with a fork. Mix in the cheese, then add the milk and use your hands to bring it together to a dough. Add a little more flour if it's sticky. Roll/press the dough out to about 2cm thick then use a cookie cutter to cut 10/12 rounds. Brush tops with milk and sprinkle with more cheese, then bake for 10-15 mins at 200c. Eat hot with lashings of butter and marmite! Mmmmmmm.

Sorry, probably doesn't help with all the diets you've all been talking about does it?!

Hi kitten. You see, you shouldn't have left us (umm, a joke, obvs).

Finally have to accept that I am not relaxed this cycle as it's the dreaded anniversary; had LMP on 10 Jan 12 with BFP on 14 Feb 12 and ERPC on 19 March 12 . At the time, I wasn't that worried about things cause I assumed by now I'd have given birth or I'd be jsut about to...naive again!

On 8/9DPO so not long to go, I guess but long enough to stop me doing much else at work or anywhere that is constructive.

How's everyone doing today?

hugs to you res, its not easy is it?

res big hugs sent from me x

Maybe this will give you a laugh. As you know my dad is elderly and not in good health (read pain in the arse) so he's back in hospital. I took him up some stuff, and his mail from his flat. So he calls later to say it's his gas bill can Ipay it, I say ok, and he gives me his ref number, the phone number and his amount to pay.

Of course I forget all about it for a week! Then he asked last night did I pay it. Of course, I said (thinking fuck better not tell him or he'll stress)

So call the number today and get through to some random bloke in sales. He then gives me another number to call. End up talking to business accounts. She then gives me the call centre number, and after much faffing about with potcodes etc we discover that my dad doesn't actually have an account with them!

So god knows where he got the phone numbers from and how the hell do I get the letter off him to see who his supplier is?! Only my dad can be so bloody awkward.

weechops that sounds like something that would happen to me! Can you phone round a few other suppliers and just try your luck?!

hugs from me to res

Ha wee - now if you had just told him the truth..!

res big hug heading your way. It's all a bit crap really isn't it.

weechops sounds like you have some explaining to do to your dad. Goodness knows who his supplier is.

My dh is off work tomorrow, he has to look after his nan, I know he is going to come home beyond pissed off with her (its not her fault but she just talks at you endlessly, she sticks to one topic. When she's finished talking about it, which usually takes about 5 minutes, she just starts over again and keeps talking, it is really draining).

Sorry your anniversary is coming up, res :-( Hugs from me too. xx

Wee, tell him you found the payment back details online and sent the money straight from your bank, but it has bounced back today and can he check the details to re-send?

Hugs for you res keeping my fx this is your last 2ww. my friend who mc previously told me, ttc was less stressful once the anniversary passed. it felt like a new chapter.

wee haha bless your dad, guess he's given you some homework for now though. Ring around the other suppliers....

I am in the same boat this month as you wee...kind of..DH has to go away for work in the week and back on weekends tbh when he mentioned it to me, i didn't feel sad. We've been in the same house for 9 months now and dtd like crazy over OV and nothing has happened yet, so maybe him going away might take the pressure off a bit. He starts his new project next week, so guess we'll just see what happens in Feb. I am not going to try and control ttc anymore - just given up on it happening soon.

On the positive side - I have joined the gym, and trying to get fit and healthy

Thanks for suggestions That's what happens when I lie. Bites me on the bum. DH is the beloved son-in-law so he's going to tell him he forgot to pay it and get the bill off him

red Maybe the fact that it's kind of taken out your hands for a wee while could help you relax a bit? I find that after the inital 'oh bollocks dh is away' then I just get on with things. Not much else you can do really. Still like to do the opk's though

Thanks for hugs all round. No other bugger remembers, of course, not even DH and a year on people begin to think you're a bit odd if you're not "over it" yet.

Am sitting on the train and a woman just walked by with a beautiful little girl in a sling. They just make you smile impulsively, don't they? <sigh>

Sorry to hear of DP absences, wee and red but if there's nothing you can do, I guess it does give you a release from the intensity.

Wish DH would go somewhere for a while (not over O though ) cause he's REALLY irritating me this week!

Hey res - totally sympathising with the anniversary thing - my mmc last year was 8th March. Thought I'd be well on the way to popping by now too

Lol @ wee fibbing to your dad!! We never really grow up do we?!!

No action here just some horrid stringy mucus stuff and the odd streak of blood so don't think it's going to go on its own - off to London this weekend as DH busy all w/e and can't do the childcare thing alone at the mo! Need my mummy and daddy!!!

sorry res - my due date for mmc is a fortnight today and i've been thinking about it everyday since feb started sucks

and you're not a weirdo for finding it hard to move on. I'm pg again and I know I should just be looking forward to new EDD but you can't replace a baby you've lost with another baby, i think sometimes it's important to just acknowledge that loss first.

don't know if you or fatas have done this, i haven't but i was reading some of the posts last week and in a way it really helps to know how many other families are all feeling the same loss and to imagine all our lost babies together somewhere where they're not lost (sniffle) www.miscarriageassociation.org.uk/support/marking-your-loss/forget-me-not-meadow/

Hugs to all for sad anniversaries

Have been very busy at work and with life. Have got back into reading and really enjoying it so haven't been spending most nights online which has been nice! It's cd16 here, have dtd cd 12, 14 and 16 so far. Will carry on till around cd20. Have actually been really enjoying the sex!

Good woman winkle! It's NO sex central at our house, bleeding made me nervous and then nausea has hardly put me in the mood so DH is just having to go without at the minute. Good to hear there's still shagging going on somewhere, even if not in our house!!

Well done winkle! And even more so for having fun - it gets all the fun taken out of it too quickly by ttc...

I have just been really angry on another thread about a man who hit his wife - some of the responses by others really enraged me! Not a good way to start Friday!! Might make me late for my train to London!!!

Well done winkle on the exciting sex.

fatas I know what you mean, I somey

I sometimes get caught up on exciting infuriating threads and end up staying up far too late.

This bloody cold refuses to bugger off. Getting really pissed off with it. At least it is the weekend soon. Have been reading up on soy isoflavones, one forum site quoted a success rate of 85% in the first cycle. I keep reminding myself if it sounds too good to be true it probably isn't true.

That the best way to think when you are probably right! But if it does work, then happy days . Good luck if you decide to give them a go (I am completely ignorant and shall probably remain so )

Hi fatas I've given them a shot this month, tried cd4 to cd9, ov did seem to come quite early. Really don't think this is my month as I have had the cold from hell since sat, oved on Monday so body is not exactly a friendly place to start a pregnancy at the moment.

Oh fatas it honestly isn't worth your time. I've wasted hours of my life arguing with strangers on the Internet and it has got me nowhere. The last one I had was with an American on gun laws. What a waste of a Saturday night that was.
Hi everyone. I'm so looking forward to this weekend and seeing ds1 who has been at residential school since Monday. I'm feeling a bit detached from the TTC process atm as I'm focusing on sorting out my finances and looking at returning to work in some minor role but its still at the forefront of my mind. This morning my boobs were hurting and felt fuller but I had to remind myself that it was probably because the house was freezing. But I'm getting much better at this 2ww thing now. AF is due around Sunday I think. I don't like to test if I can help it so I'm hoping AF turns up Saturday so I can have some wine.
Right, better bake the bread instead of being lazy.
What have you all got planned for this weekend?

Ha! That was way too long considering I didn't think I had anything to say. Sorry about that.

littlemiss and fatas. I found the due date the hardest (altho I still think most days now that DC would have been 3 weeks, 4 weeks, 5 weeks etc).
Thingy we're due the visit at about the same time. I feel quite sane today but won't tomorrow!
fatas never underestimate Mummy and Daddy even when they need more care than us! I would have had DD adopted (slight exaggeration) if mine hadn't been around when I had PND.
Hi winkle glad life is good. DH and I are off out on Sat night for our once-in-a-blue-moon night by ourselves. Quite excited.
Hi when hope the cold kicks the bucket soon. Been reading about the soy since you mentioned it. Is it supposed to work like a "natural" clomid?

Fingers crossed for you res. I've already got the wine chilling in the fridge for tomorrow and I've bought some more tampons that's how unconfident I am this cycle.
After paying so much attention to my cycles I have to say that the 8 days after ovulation are the worst. It's possibly because I produce a high amount of progesterone but my moods are awful at that time. I'm quite enjoying this neutral feeling while it lasts.

When I got my bfp I had planned a special treat for when af came.... My favourite chocolate, red wine, special bubble bath, I thought I'd really pamper myself when she came. I was quite looking forward to it!

Hope you get your bfp thingy (that post was meant to say on the end of it)

And I'm so sorry for all of you who have memories of past pregnancies that didn't carry to term. I can't imagine how hard that must be, you're all so lovely it's not fair. Take some time whenever you feel sad, there's no time limit on grief and however you feel it's important to acknowledge. Hugs to all of you

No plans this weekend Thingy! More sex will def be on the list though!

I tried soy too this cycle. It's my third time of trying it. Hope it works for both of us!

Hey y'all. Hope you're all having a nice Friday night.
Just been catching up, so much chatting on this thread !
redrobin - totally with you on feeling horny during AF. What's that all about?!
resipsa - know what you mean about anniversaries. Hope you're ok.
I'm feeling a bit glum today. A Colleague of mine who is totally lovely but who is pg and due about a month before I was (before mc) walked past me today looking so beautiful with her little bump and I just had to turn away as it made me feel so and then I felt really bad for feeling that way. Just want to get pg again quickly and put it all behind me. But I know it doesn't work that way...
Oh, how to stay sane whilst being the only childless one amongst my pals?!

Thank you sunshine and someday. My temperature has dropped to 36.40 so I guess AF will appear by this evening or early tomorrow. I don't even need to test anymore, I know my cycle that well. Now if ovulation would just pick a definite day to appear that would be great.
I'm starting to get to that point now someday, I'll see bumps and think that I should have one too and start to wonder if that'll ever happen again.
twinkle that sounds like a great weekend to me. I need to make some time for DP like that. After ovulation I lose all interest although I think it's hormone related.
Glad I put that wine in now. Films, wine, snuggles and chocolate. Bliss.
Good luck to everyone trying soy this cycle. I'm interested to see how you get on. It's one that I don't think I can try so I'm curious as to how it affects cycles.

Hi girls, sorry to hear about your anaversary res, I had my own due date around Xmas and its still strange now to think I should have another little one I'm lucky to be pregnant again but it never goes!
Good luck to those due to poas, I hope she does stay away!
Someday, that must be tough, I had a reunion meal with friends a fee weeks after my second mc one girl was due the sameish time as my first and another the same month as my second, I found their pregnancys much harder then anyone else's I guess because they were linked to mine in a strange way and even as I've got pregnant there is still a bitter sweetness, it can happen quickly though as I got pregnant this time the cycle after second mc so fx it is quick for you and event free
Good luck with the soy winkle and when, hope the lurgey finishes quickly, hope you've gad plenty of cough syrup

P.s thingy I have been obsessed with bumps for the last year where I stare at them and try to work out how far they must be and do they have other children and if so what's the age gap, they must think I'm a right weirdo!!!

Big hug to all going through a tough time during anniversaries.

thingy gutted abt your temp dropping was really wishin she stayed away this month wine chocs and cuddles sounds like a good plan.

winkle well done on the the dtd and dtd with passion

I hate the bump envy too kitty my best friend and I both got pregnant in July but sadly mine was a CP and she is six months now. Due on the same date as my cp and sometimes when I see her bump and scan pic I just wish that was me - I should have something growing inside me by now. I just want to feel something in my abdomen again. Bumps make me very

Hi red I totally get the bump envy thing. My first chem preg would have been due 16th Feb. I'm doing ok not dewelling on it. 3 friend are due around that due date (one has already had it).

res yes soy is meant to act like clomid. I think it does the same thing by blocking oestrogen receptors early in your cycle. That makes the body think it is low on oestrogen so it ups production which is meant to improve ovulation.

thingy sorry your temps have dropped.

I'm not sure it worked for me, ovulation came quite early and I got a really achy uterus for about 3 days (that could have just been the cold though).

I am 5dpo and should really dtd tonight to try and get the possible protective benefits of sperm in me. Really not hopeful this month with the wretched cold and I somehow managed to get really drunk last night which won't help matters.

And... AF has started. I'm trying to figure out if this is cycle 9. I've lost count. :/
Hope you feel better soon when.

Af started today for me too. Cd 33 I think. Dh is away for 3 weeks this week so will miss feb ov. Looks like end of march ov before i get another chance

That is annoying weechops. I really can't complain as I have short cycles and DP is always here, I have a lot of chances. That must be so difficult to work around. Hopefully the end of March will be the one.
I'm currently in bed being looked after and pampered, I could get used to this. I might pretend I have AF pains for a full week.

Sorry af is officially here for you thingy and wee especially wee as you will have to wait till march to try again.

Ah you guys, sorry. Expecting it any moment, literally if last month is to go by BUT at nice restaurant with DH (in loo at mo) so nicely distracted!

Restaurant sounds lovely resipsa

We've just dtd. It didn't start well. His mum phoned when we just started foreplay and he answered it . To be fair to him he has been worried about his mum as she is coping with caring for his grandmother full time and may not get her contract at work renewed because of the time off.

The phone call lasted 20 minutes. It's a bloody miracle there was any dtd at all.

Wow! [gold star] when! That's pretty impressive!

Gutter for you both wee and thingy Hope you have some treats and cuddles this weekend.

when mil call must be bloody annoying at that time. Well done on dtd though!

Gutted*

I can't believe he answered it when let alone carried on taking for 20 minutes! Unbelievable, glad it worked out ok in the end though.
res Did you have a good night? I hope AF stays away for you.
I had two glasses of wine last night and then promptly told DP he might as well get completely wasted on his best friends stag do in May since we were never likely to conceive anyway. Oh dear, I had better be super nice to him today to make up for it. Stupid thing is that I'm only on cycle 9, I have no reason to be so negative. So last cycle was relaxed as I had planned but perhaps I needed a bit of positivity to go with that instead of just assuming it wouldn't work anyway. I am so insensitive sometimes.

*talking.
Sorry, I only ever use MN on my phone. It's a miracle if any of it makes sense.

Red fatas &thingy Thankyou for the congrats over dtd deed last night. Was a bit of an effort considering there wasn't even an egg present.

I couldn't even get mad at him for answering the phone. His poor mum is in a massive cycle of guilt and exhaustion from looking after his nan. I think she needed a shoulder to cry on. How he went from comforting his mum one second and then back to foreplay the next is a complete mystery.

thingy I don't think you need to apologise to your dh. You just got a bit upset. 9 months is not too long to ttc but it is understandable that you are starting to worry.

resipsa any update on af?

Ha when glad my PILs live in Australia! 10/10 for perseverance. If you weren't TTC, there would have been a row!

Had a good night last might but WAY too much to drink meaning hangover today which is not a good place to be when (1) 2 yr old wakes for a chat at 4am and (2) you have to spend the morning a 3 yr old's party. Now eating chips on the sofa.

AF arrived this morning as expected. Feeling strangely OK about it. Knew it wasn't going to happen this month, somehow, and ta da! had none of the "symptoms" that usually have me hoping in vain.

Even managed to smile through a chat at the party (involving 1 woman with 8 week old baby & 2 pregnant ones) about who's pregnant. Outcome? Just about every one but me!

Hi, can I join thread for BFP in 2013. Tried to conceive sept 2011 to 2012 but months of BFN's so myself & dh decided to stop trying & focus on the 2 children we have. But I knew in my heart that I really want to try for another & think I can feel my biological clock ticking. So here goes, back to ttc

Absolutely devastated. My sil is pregnant. 3 weeks! Wtf is she telling fil for anyway? This rant may be long, sorry. Dh came back from fil saying sil was there and had big news. I said please don't say it, but it was I've spent the last 40 minutes howling and ranting and breaking my heart. She has 2 kids, always going on about how she's glad the baby days are over etc. I don't like her anywasy but this is making me totally unreasonably detest her! How can I be near her when my baby has just been lost? I sent her a text eventually and said I had a mc and may find it hard to be around her for a while. I did say congrats tho I'm not horrible. I'm so so sad and can't stop crying

Helloo! Fatas here! Have decided to name change as need a bit of a change - hope it doesn't cause any confusion!

Oh wee I'm so sorry. Life is so hard and mean sometimes - cant believe she has told everyone at 3 weeks! That's is a tad brave... We are all here for you - rant away - I hate her too!

Welcome clutter - we are a mad bunch of lovely ladies! Feel free to rant away too if you want! We can sympathise with the difficulties in TTC and I certainly find it helpful to vent/chat here with everyone

Adsum like the name change your post made me genuinely smile for the 1st time in hours, thank you. I think I needed someone else to unreasonably hate her too

Oh no, it's completely reasonable... isn't it?!

Oops wrong emoticon!! Should have been or the one with one raised eyebrow (what's that one? And why isn't it available on the mumsnet app?!)

Oops wrong emoticon!! Should have been or the one with one raised eyebrow (what's that one? And why isn't it available on the mumsnet app?!)

Oops wrong emoticon!! Should have been or the one with one raised eyebrow (what's that one? And why isn't it available on the mumsnet app?!)

Bloody iphone...

3 weeks is so early to be telling ANYONE! Good grief.

welcome ohclutter

adsum - hope the new namechange is successful for you

wee - big fay squighy unmumsnetty hugs for you my darling. I have been there and it hurts so bad Do whatever you need to do tonight to make you feel better. I couldnt text my friend who got pregnant for a good few weeks so you are dealing with it better than I have. I'm sorry AF got you too

res, thingy - sorry the old bitch got you!

<waves> at everyone else.

I'm here but been keeping busy. Have finished ANOTHER book :D Have really enjoyed getting back into reading. CD19 here I think - OMG just realised I'm not 100% sure of what cycle day I'm on!!!!!!!! - will DTD later just to cover us.

Hi ohclutter. I'm trying for my third too. How old are your two?
Oh wee that must be upsetting. I can't believe they told everyone so early! Hopefully they'll read your text and be respectful to you by not rubbing it in.

You sound so much happier twinkle. I find reading helps so much to keep me sane during all of this. It's kinda nice to forget what CD it is.

She keeps texting me! 1st one she wanted to check if I wanted to talk to her at all or just not about her pregnancy! I text back I just feel sad for me and I'll see her soon. She then texts back she feels bad and wishes she never said anything. I then text back saying don't feel bad I just need time. You think she'd get the hint but then she texts 'so how far along were you'!!! Jeez piss off. This has been a shitty day all round

Hi thingy I've got a 13 year old dd and 3 year old ds, so big gap & hoping not to have huge gap again!
How old are your children?
One of my problems is that I get terrible Periods & my hormones are all over the place when I'm off my pill. Does anyone else experience this & do you take anything that you could recommend?
I've got an appointment with GP next week to discuss this with her
Sorry weechops that must of been so difficult to hear. The year that myself and dh were trying my sil fell pregnant with her 4th & has 4 under 5, she must be so fertile. They can also afford for her to be a sahm, makes me very jealous! And my mil is always asking my little boy would he like a brother or sister, makes me want to scream!

Oh wee I am so sorry abt your sil. Really think she's mental for announcing it so early. Again shows how insensitive and naive women are if they haven't had any problems in ttc or in sustaining a pregnancy

I am liking the name change ad

Sorry for AF arriving res fx for next month.

I am still in 'fed-up-of-ttc' mode. Just keeping healthy and exercising. Works keeping my mind of it and a few close friends in RL have been very supportive this weekend and shared their positive stories abt their ttc struggle and its cheered me up.

Both admitted feeling bitter towards pregnancy announcements and the fact that there are bumps everywhere you look. I just struggle to feel happy for anyone in RL announcing their pregnancy, who hasn't had a ttc struggle. I just feel bitter.

ohclutter I'm going to be dealing with a similar age gap, my eldest DS is 12 nearly 13 and my youngest is 9. I'll be starting all over again. (Hopefully.)
A lot of us are trying Evening Primrose Oil or Vitex Agnus Castus to help regulate hormones so you could try one of those. My cycles tend to be pretty regular anyway so they just make me ovulate earlier.
weechops, I think you've made it clear enough that you don't want to talk about it right now so you don't have to keep replying if its upsetting you. She is probably desperately trying to make everything right but is digging herself deeper and deeper.

Ohclutter welcome to the gang and thanks for your support. As you can see all the girls on this thread are fantastic and I'd have been lost without them many times. Its been an emotional day in the weechops house (dad going downhill too) and I just wasnted to say if it wasn't for you lot I'd be going off my head by now! Thanks

Thanks for welcome to this thread, it always helps to know your not the only one going through something. Thanks for that thingy will look into those tomorrow.
Off to bed as been so tired today as was in my neighbours for a girls nite in but was later than I should of been with demanding toddler to look after today.
Hope you feel better tomorrow weechops nite for now x

weechops she sounds daft. Three weeks . I'd hate her too and will do on your behalf.

(Makes a note to remember fatas's new name)

Welcome to clutter and gillian

Forgot to say for resipsa and af turning up.

Bugger off wee's SIL! Just don't text her back and she'll get the message.

Red - I'm very sad for me and hate pregnant people too lol

Mega tired today but must dtd later so need to perk myself up!

Have dtd yaay!

Ah wee. I hope she's got the message by now. Sounds like your loss is hitting you. Hope you are OK.

It takes me back to what I was thinking a couple of weeks ago; until you've had issues, you genuinaly don't get it. That was reinfocred for me yesterday after the new mum and mums-to-be chat about who is pregnant at the moment. The new mum came up to me a while later and said sorry, that was a bit insensitive etc. I said not at all, the world doesn't revolve etc and I want to talk about others' good news. The point was that she gets it cause she too had a m/c and so knows what it's like.

Hmm, it seems I cannot spell today. Hey ho.

resipsa you are so right about people not getting it unless they have been through it. I keep thinking the silver lining to this is it will make me much more understanding I the future.

winkle well done on the dtd.

I still feel like crap, the worlds most drawn out cold is still lingering. Just feel tired and sick now. Which is really annoying cause it's making me symptom spot. This is cd 24 (7dpo). Bored.

Ooh I forgot to say the uterus cramps have gone. I have a mad theory that dtd on Sat night (5dpo) has settled down the cramping uterus.

This is all me expanding on the theory that sperm useful post ov not just pre.

Just sitting an waiting for my scan
Don't know why they are bothering. Is pointless - just want to get it all over with. Surrounded by no doubt pregnant people gits who will prob be getting good news while I just hear the same news again about the scan. Woe is me!!! An almost laughing at my self pitying whingy there so at least have cheered self up!

Sorry to eat others feeling poo as well. The 2ww is the worst...

adsum just posted for a quick hand holding before your scan. I know it's not going to be good news for you hope you are ok today.

Sounds like you are keeping your chin up.

Thanks when - no real change when they did scan so just waiting to see dr but the world and his wife are here too so looks like a long wait... <sigh>

Yes, approx 3 hours. This sucks. Bet a lot of these fuckers people don't need to be here [uncharitable]

3 fucking hours

Do they let you nip out (for a few hours) to get a coffee? Or do you have to sit there re reading the same crappy magazine with the other pathetic malingerers people.

Well I went to get 3 bars some chocolate but the loos are horrid (due to some poor girl with hg) so minimal fluids for me

Quite fed up...

Big hug adsum really hope they can send you home soon. I just never understood why they can't have a separate ward or entrance when you are going through this. You don't need to see the pregnant bellies and happy faces. It's just cruel.

when fx for you hope the 2ww goes quicker and you feel better soon.

Hugs adsum, sorry you've been having such a rubbish day. Hugs & strength for you to get through this
(( )) x

Hugs ad x

I cried when I went for my pelvic scan as it was in the same place that women who are pregnant go to get scanned. So I agree red, they should have separate depts.

Home and got the supper on! Booked in for erpc on Thursday (valentines day, of course!!) - glad to finally have a plan but will be incredibly nervous about having an anaesthetic!!

adsum Like you say it's good you know finally what's happening. Will be thinking of you on Thursday.

How are you winkle?

Hi clutter and gillian sorry forgot to say that earlier on!

I have discovered a new method of cheering myself up at the moment - Big Bang Theory. How did I not know about this tv show. It's just brilliantly funny. Highly recommended for anyone who needs cheering up during ttc and otherwise.

Sorry you've had such a crap day adsum, it's good that you don't have to wait too long for Erpc but what a day to pick, they clearly like giving us dates we can't possibly forget......
Hugs after what must have been a really emotionally draining day

Hi red I'm ok. On cd20 so need to get a couple more dtd under the belt.

I love BBT!

How are you getting on?

Adsum big hugs from me x

I find it amazing that you've only just discovered Big Bang Theory red! It's taken the place of Friends as the forever repeating TV series. We love it. I once had the flu and watched every episode back to back for a whole day. I ended up having feverish visions of Sheldon for a while.
Hugs to you ad. Is it general anaesthetic? I've gone under that before and it's quite pleasant. I woke up just as if I'd had an amazing nights sleep.
I love how enthusiastic you are about dtd twinkle. It makes me giggle. Looks like you've covered all bases. Makes my efforts look rubbish. I need to time it better this month. I might try for every other day all cycle.
Hello to everyone else.

Oh, ads sorry it's not turned out better for you and hope all goes OK on Thurs. Try not to worry too much about the GA. I was petrified myself last year (as I always am in hospital settings given my job) but for them it's an everyday thing. I remember waking up and asking when I would be going to theatre; I had, of course, by then been in and out! Felt fine afterwards, too, physically. Very little pain.
I agree with kitty - they seem to like key dates. Mine was on the day after Mother's Day!
wee hope you are OK too.
Glad you're feeling better when and congrats on the DTD, winkle.
On CD3 here and couldn't feel less like doing it myself. Having thought I was pretty chilled about it all on CD1 this month, I now realise that it was just a delayed reaction. Every time anyone says "how are you" (at work, in the street, in Tesco), I just want to shout "I WANT TO BE P" at them. But I haven't, yet, thankfully.
Must be in masochistic mood as just been reading about J Bulger case twenty years on. I still can't bear to think of the terror that 2 year old (same age as DD) must have felt...send shivers thru me, literally.

Thanks resipsa sorry about the delayed response to af. It's crap.

Being reminded about the James Bulger stuff is awful, his poor poor parents are so traumatised. It does really make you worry it could happen to anyone. I keep reminding myself how rediculously rare these cases are.

This was the week my first chem preg was due. To be honest last night I was kind of glad the pregnancy didn't last. Dd was a complete nightmare, screaming fits, crys of cuddle mummy wanted to be carried everywhere

Sorry about your cp due date when hope you have DH around to give you a big hug and cuddle.

thingy I have def been having a lot of Sheldon dreams as I have watched the episodes back to back for series 3.

I think I might take a leaf out of winkles book and dtd tonight as dh gets back today. Bought myself some nice lingerie to get into the mood and make up for not getting any valentines presents for DH. We don't really make a big fuss of valentines...Just some takeaway and a night in with

Has anyone got anything romantic planned for Thursday night?

I'm really really struggling with my feelings. Usually I can take knocks and disappointments in my stride, I can handle sad news, I deal with grief quickly and not dwell on it. But jesus I can't stop crying, feeling sick and being thoroughly miserable since I heard sil is pregnant!
Maybe if we were close I would be happy for her but I'm not and I know that's awful. In my irrational brain I think she has stolen my happiness, the future that was meant for me . I lost my baby and am devastated but someone decided to put the boot in and sil is having what I can't. And she has form for being stealthily smug and gloaty.
I really need to get past this but I don't know how, other than getting pregnant again which as you know is bloody hard!
I'm sorry this is so long and selfindulgent but I couldn't possibly say all this aloud. Dh thinks I'm losing it already. God what do I do? How do I feel better? I've never felt as awful as this before!

Oh wee, it's still very raw and new, of course you'll be sad. I feel like that when others get pregnant, just want it to be me so badly. Give yourself time to get over this. What you're feeling is not wrong or unusual x

wee you have to ALLOW yourself to feel that way. Especially after what you have been thru. My DH thinks I loose it too at every pregnancy announcement and doesn't understand why I feel the way I do. Sil got pregnant and I too felt the way you do now. I know it doesn't help, but I only stopped feeling tht way after the baby was born. I just kept wishing it was me throughout her pregnancy. The feeling that I should be growing that baby didn't go away at all. I felt better with putting some distance between us for my own sanity till I learnt to cope with the way I felt. Big hug and sorry it's her and not you. I hope you get your bfp soon x

wee I'm sorry you feel so bad. I suspect you need distance from her and time. The worst is when you think or know you're being irrational but just cannot help it. I used to try to bury things but try these days to go with the flow and accept that sometimes I will feel like but it won't last forever. Hope DH is being supportive. I'm sure he is; he sounds lovely.

when sorry too to hear of the CP date. It's hard. But I also hear what you say about (sometimes) being glad things didn't work out as they should have. I can see that DD needs us 100% focused on her at present and I'm really not sure to have had a 3-4 month old around would have suited us. That said, still wish I did!

When - sorry about anniversary date. Here's hoping we're all not waiting too long.

Thinking of you today adsum. Hope all goes smoothly and you're back home being looked after as soon as possible.
Massive hugs to wee and when. I can't imagine what it must be like. I hope everyone is being more sensitive to you now. I still can't get over that announcement at 3 weeks, so thoughtless.
red, we have decided not to do anything for Valentines anymore and I really hope DP meant that or he'll be very disappointed later. Might have to create an Art Attack style card out of random bits in the odds and sods drawer if he does produce a surprise.

Sorry adsum just realised its Wednesday not Thursday. I need to stop posting before I've properly woken up.

Adsum (*fatas*) - so sorry to hear you had mmc confirmed I know you were expecting it but it's really such miserable news and such cruel timing for the erpc. Wishing you all the best for recovering afterwards - I didn't find it all that sore or anything but it did take around 3 months for my cycles to get back to normal afterwards and apparently that's pretty normal so don't freak out (like i did!) if AF is completely up the left or missing in action for a while afterwards. Thinking about you tomorrow x

Thinking about you all actually

Thank you all for your thoughts - I will hopefully be in and out of theatre early in the morning tomorrow and am just hoping there are no complications.

Thinking of you all too, with insensitive relatives, anniversaries and such - and to those who do enjoy valentines, I hope you have something lovely planned or even a nice surprise from a kind OH and of course plenty of shagging to those TTC x

Wishing you luck on your surgery ad.

Managed another dtd last night but we're very much at the functional stage of the month rather than the fun!

Have dtd cd12, 14, 16, 19 and 21. Will go again on thurs (bonus as its valentines day!) and then I'm done for the month!

Will be thinking of you tomorrow adsum hope the erpc is not too painful and you are very well looked after.

winkle we did our first dtd last night too. I haven't looked at my fertility apps this month. Feeling very relaxed abt it all so far.

Yay for winkle and red dtd.

Hi littlemiss

9dpo so bored, symptoms spotting even though I know it's pointless my body loves making up random symptoms. I was burping loads yesterday and felt a bit sick. Ooh this could be good thinks I but then I got a really dodgey stomach so it's not preg related.

Sigh

Ok I'm not bored anymore I'm crying my eyes out.

In a fit of madness I poas (clearblue one). I think I may be going crazy but I think I can see the faintest of faint lines. It could easily be in my head.

I should be excited but everytime I've see a faint positive it's ended badly. Argh.

Have you got anymore tests when? I'm trying not to get too excited on your behalf but clear blue tests are usually quite reliable.

I'm going to get some first response ones. I keep thinking its not real it's all in your head. Then I think of how easily it could all go wrong.

Haven't had a single positive thought since poas.
Really sorry to be so negative this is what we are all hoping for, I just feel like I'm about to have a panic attack.

When I agree with thingy, clearblue are good. 10dpo tomorrow you should be able to see faint line with fmu. Oh I have everything crossed!!

when I have everything crossed for you. This thread needs a happy announcement .

Would you be able to get an early hcg and progesterone blood test done to make sure your levels are where they need to be? With your past CP history perhaps they would be able to do something. Fingers crossed this is a really really really sticky bean and that line gets super dark soon.

9dpo is still very early. I would be amazed if it was dark at this point. Give it a few more days. The waiting will be hard, but just keep faith and stay positive. Fx this is your time.

But aren't clearblue notorious for false positives?

Thanks for the crossed fingers.

Oh when bless you, first ofcourse it would be faint I've never even had a + at 9dpo and you didn't even use fmu!! I'd say that was about as dark a line at this point as you could have got! Was it one of the cross tests? I have heard some things about blue dye but I think it's when the line is thinner, is it the same thickness?
Your bound to be teary, remember how I was! you have had a rough ride but every pregnancy is different, agree frer the next step but try not to stress to much you have alot of people with their fx and here to hold your hand! Dry those eyes x

when - i used clearblue with this pg at 10 dpo and got a VERY faint bfp, only tested because me and DH were going to a friend's 30th that night and I really wanted to have a few drinks but just didn't want to take the chance that I might already be up duffed. The bfp was so faint I was v skeptical but decided to stick to a couple of shandies. Tested 2 days later at 12 dpo, still v faint line. Two days after that finally got a proper bfp, tho still a little watery looking, and of course i was actually pg. I should also point out that it took the full 3 minutes for anything to appear all 3 times too, so I was on the point of binning what looked like BFN tests when gradually a v faint line started to appear. So keeping everything crossed for you.

OMG OMG OMG when, am hyperventilating here! Squeeeeeal! Mega excited! Keep is posted! Don't cry lovie xx

I mean keep us posted!

Thank you so much for all your kind messages.

I've poas, it's positive.

That was I've peed on another stick (first response). It's definitely positive, about as positive as my stick on 13dpo with dd.

Oh wow! when that's fantastic!! Congrats!! I totally understand the panic but... yay!!

Congrats honey!

Yeay!!!! That's one strong little line at at evening 9dpo!!, this is the one

Congratulations when! I was hoping for some good news. I'm so excited and happy for you.

Thanks everyone. Not counting my chickens yet (you know what mean) but I am a little reassured with it being a strong line.

Dh will probably panic about the possiblity of twins

Well as I recall in my film wasn't it you who ended up with twin girls at the end???

Don't joke about it. I took soy this month, it really could happen

Yay when congratulations I am so very excited and happy for you. Wooooooohooooo a bfp!!!! I hope this sets the wheels in motion for the rest of us.

Is this your first cycle of taking soy?

Thanks again for the positive messages, I really hope this one sticks.

twinkle it really could have been the soy. This is my first month taking it so who knows. Really glad I managed one shag post ov, that protective sperm thing may be nonsense but at least I know I tried it.

Ok so tell us all about the soy...! Where d'ya get it from, how and when do you take it?! I want some of what she's had!!!

I haven't joined one of these threads before as there is always so much going on, but I had a quick look at this one and you all seem nice so I thought I'd pop in and say hi and stick around if that's ok? Am planning a BFP for 2013 so it sounds right up my street. Congrats when!

It was from tesco. I would offer to post you the remains of my pack but its probably cheaper for you to buy it. I think it is sold by tescos to help menopausal women combat low oestrogen.

Cramps in uterus are back (and have been all day) just reminding myself I had them till week 12 when pregnant with dd. <I am remembering this right aren't I you get period like pains in early pregnancy>

Ps will try and read back to get an idea of who's on here and your stories. Ooh want to hear more about soy too!

Hi alexandra welcome on board.

when I've heard cramping in early pregnancy is totally normal. So happy for you

Welcome Alexandra.

I took soy too this cycle. Third time. Hope third time lucky.

Thanks is soy good for anyone to try, do you know? I have long cycles and polycystic ovaries so not sure if it would do much for me, about to start clomid when AF turns up next (on day 40 now and going a bit mad) - I'm probably the only one TTC who is praying for AF haha!

Omg when! I am so unbelievably happy for you argh congrats!!!

alex thanks and welcome. You are in safe hands with these ladies they are so good at holding your hand through the hard times.

twinkle I really hope it works for you.

red thanks for the reassuring message

weechops it's so lovely of you to be happy for me. Especially with your sil's news.

When - your fab news has totally cheered me up. Honestly. Big cheesey grin and all
<breathes huge sigh Im not evil cold hearted bitch after all>

Alex - welcome

Just read back and I've been in a really similar situation with my SIL wee. Hard isn't this sometimes! How long have you been ttc?

This is cycle 9 for me Alex. Had mc in January at 4+4 and no chance this cycle as dh is working away for 3 weeks this time! I'm seriously considering begging him to tell them he can't do the full 3 weeks

De-lurking to say a MASSIVE congrats to When. So chuffed for you :-)

when your news has given me some hope and spurred me on. Its gotten me out of the 'fed-up-of-ttc' mode and into 'let's-get-shagging' mode.

I so want to be on that graduate thread and out of conception boards - hope this is our month too.

alex I didn't even answer your question about soy how rude. It is meant to be a natural alternative to clomid. You take it for 5 days at the start of your cycle and it blocks oestrogen receptors tricking your body into thinking it is low in oestrogen. The body then produces more oestrogen and this extra oestrogen strengthens ovulation.
Hope that makes sense, I think I may have mentioned oestrogen too much.

red so glad it cheered you up. I was starting to feel like this was just a club if reluctant shaggers, was starting to forget I was trying for a BFP.

mrsbri nice to hear from you and thanks. I'm not getting too excited at 9dpo I'm only 3wks2 god that's so depressing up to 50% of pregnancies fail at that early stage, so I'm am holding off on any celebrations at the moment.

When, my 22 week fidgety bump was a 3+3 discovery, so there is hope :-) I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. xx

Also de lurking to say OMG OMG OMG when!!!!
I know the panic hun. One day at a time. Come over to the other side too (bfp came true) and we will hold your hand!!!!
Exciting news :-)))))

when - woo hoo!!! Big congrats!! Had a good feeling about your faint bfp and so glad it seems to be confirmed now lots of hand holding awaits on our other thread, i for one have been (& will prob continue to be!) v nervous and apprehensive about every twinge, bit of spotting but touch wood everything seems ok so far. Having MN to come and vent is a lifesaver tho!!

Thanks lol and littlemiss not sure if I'm ready for the other side yet (seems like its tempting fate).

adsum hope everything is ok with you today. Thinking of you.

Fingers crossed for you when! I remember one of my good friends was really anxious at the stage you're at, she's now five months pg How long have you been ttc? Must be the best feeling seeing the BFP, woop! Thanks for the soya info too - so I get the feeling it's all about oestrogen then Did you try clomid before soya? As I'm about to start clomid, I guess I should wait before trying soya (not at the same time?)

Has anyone else tried clomid by the way?

Not tried clomid or soy yet alexandra we are going to wait another 6 months before starting on clomid. Cycle 10 of ttc here.

How are you today when?

thinking of you adsum hope you are being looked after well

I can understand why you'd want to take it one day at a time when, every pregnancy starts off at 3+3 though at some point! Will you do a cb digi to see what week comes up--desperate to see if it is twins lol--
Thinking of you today adsum

Red kitty It doesn't feel real at all. Am burping all the time (did this with dd). Think I will have to try and be positive. At the moment it is going as well as it possibly can. Although the darker than expected line is making me worry about Down's syndrome or twins. you may have gathered I'm a worrier

I called the midwife who does the promise trial (progesterone in early pregnancy). The pessaries are being delivered tomorrow morning. Think I will do another first reserve tomorrow, really hoping it gets darker.

Oh the midwife will be calling me in a few weeks to arrange a scan at about 7 weeks, really pleased about that but 7 weeks seems ages away.

All ok here. Successfully hoovered! Feel ok except some bugger has stolen all my saliva so the warm buttered toast is like a piece of rag in my mouth! Ick!!

adsum hugs xx Glad it's over and went as well as these things can.

EEEKKK!
when huge congrats! Lucky, lucky, lucky you! Sad anniversaries can take a running jump.
Would it surprise anyone to know that (having read but not posted) I went to H+B for my soy today ? Half-price, too!
ads hope it's all going to plan with you.
Ha, ha at kitty and the film. It was twins for you, when. Closing shot, remember?
Was just thinking yesterday that we hadn't had news since wee and kitten. Happy day.

PS Hi Alex and welcome. Maybe you're a good luck charm in which case please don't go anywhere else!

So glad everything went ok adsum. Do you get to go home soon?
I'm still so excited for you when. It's given me a bit of a push to reconnect with the whole process more. I'd kind of given up.

Like the idea of being a lucky charm for this thread...although maybe taking too much credit there It's been 13 months ttc for me so not having much luck myself so far but I've decided to try and force myself to be more positive about it actually happening! Hopefully we'll all move on to an antenatal thread soon!

Ditto what thingy says. You've given a big push up the bottom when I am really giving it my best shot again this month. Fx we will join you over to the grads thread soon.

It's good to know you will get an early scan at 7wks. It must seem like ages away but I think a dark like is a good sign of a BIG FAT POSITIVE. I am just so happy for you when

I'm starting to panic again. Just did another test and the line isn't any darker. Why is it not darker why why?? It looks exactly the same.

Yesterday I hadn't been to the loo for 4 hours and didn't need to go today it was 3 hours (and I did need to). It that the problem or is it something worse?

Sorry going mad. I should be so happy and I just keep crying.

Home with a very full tummy

Just going to have a kip before the whirlwind (aka DS) gets home

PMA when! And if you can't manage it we will try and help x

delurking to say ..

when .. that is just fantatic news, you clever girl you! Don't panic about it not being any darker .. from my extensive reseasrch of POAS fun, it will take a day or two (and a fair few quid!) to see it gets darker.

adsum .. so glad the procedure went OK. I have been thinking about you. I had the same procedure last year and it was an easy recovery. I did bleed for a couple of weeks but only very, very light. The DS is a good way to keep you busy at this time! Especially if he is a whirlwind!

Please don't worry, When...the line would only darken every few days as the hormones don't increase rapidly enough for it to darken daily.

Having said that, I did the same as you 3 days after my first test, but later in the day, and it was no darker, so I freaked myself out totally, the same as you are right now.

Are you going to do a digi one?

Oh, sorry, adsum...I'm glad it well as well as it could and you're feeling ok.

:-) <hugs>

Thanks adsum glad you are feeling ok today.

Hi ted and mrsbri thanks for calming me down. Dh did a good job too, although he knows nothing about preg tests.

Glad you are home safe adsum, hope dh is spoiling you tonight and not expecting too much with ds, I've just been told I can go and lie down for half an hour without dd, dh has been off today but she has been in nursery, it's so nice just having half an hour!
When, I'm sure if you had done the test tomorrow morning it would have shown a slight difference but I agree it does take a few days to notice, what you have to remember is the test at yesterday's early stage would have only been picking up a hcg of about 10 it's that sensitive and today it'd only be between 13-15, it's that small a difference and takes 48-72hrs to double, it's when you'd going from the thousands that the difference is so noticeable, the crying is a good sign, your hormonal!!!

Glad your home and well adsum.

When - big hugs love, don't cry

Big hug when few more days and the line will be undoubtedly dark just keep faith and stay positive. Like others have said crying is a good sign.

In other news I successfully seduced DH. I left a trail of notes all the way to the bedroom so when he got home he knew where to find me. Best dtd in ages and a very happy DH and I am "full of sperm"

yaay well done red!

red I am impressed. The most spontaneous and suggestive I get is to flash my boobs when I get out of the bath. I really need to get out of this rut that TTC has thrown me in.
Only on CD 6 but need to get on with dtd because I seem to be ovulating earlier and earlier.
Hugs to you when and adsum.

thingy I was in the same rut the last few months. Don't know what got into me today (possibly when's news and it being V day) I even got my Ann summers gear on. DH very very happy

red check you out Ann Summers gear as well no wonder your dh was happy. Well done.

Did another test have peed on £15 worth of first reserves in 2 days the last one is very very slightly darker than yesterday's.

Still worried but feeling a bit better now.

thingy best of luck dtd

I'm going to allow myself to symptom spot! I'm 9 DPO (if I believe the monitor). I had sore boobs yesterday and today my wine tastes really, really weird like its fizzy. Oh says it doesn't taste weird. It might be because I've really cut back on booze or.......

Ooooo I am going to get a little excited for you winkle
Perhaps its tasting weird because you are.........knocked up fx sore boobage is a good sign.

I am curious as to where I am in my cycle but I haven't got a clue. I know AF arrived on 2nd or 3rd feb but no idea when I OVed or even if I have. Nice to not know for a change.

I'm due on around the same day as I go to fertility specialist next week. Wouldn't it be ironic if I didn't need the appt? please please please

That would be a good story winkle wishing and praying it happens for you.

Weirdly my next period is also due around the same date as my fertility clinic appt on 5th march. although we can get DH's SA results from GP this week we haven't booked any appts with GP yet. DH and I aren't keen on finding out SA results yet. Blissfully happy being unaware. Whatever will be will be.

twinkle really hope you join the long list of women who get knocked up just as they go for a fertility app

Ooh sore boobage is def a good sign!

Good luck with the SA results red I remember waiting for those, awful, all was fine with his side of things in the end - but one thing I read, is that even if SA results aren't good, it's often not a permanent thing and can be improved with diet/less booze etc. Fingers crossed for you anyway, and I keep hearing stories about people getting pg just before a fertility app too!

I finally got my AF on day 42 (romantic Valentines treat for me hey!) I'm pleased as it could have been a longer wait and now I can start clomid tomorrow

I was the same Alex. I hated waiting for the SA results. DP had always been convinced he was infertile so we were very nervous. It didn't help that they kept on delaying the results for days on end. In the end the results came back OK, not amazing but fine. We were so relieved.
Good luck with the SA results red. I admire your outlook on everything. I tried to be calm but failed miserably.
Dtd began yesterday. There is no way we are missing an early O this cycle.

Thanks thingy and alex we are waiting for his second SAs. The first had poor morphology and anti sperm antibodies. His count and motility was above average and excellent but morpho and asa was bad. He's been on vitamins and supplements for 3 months and had a repeat SA to see if anything had changed.

Thing is I am dreading the SA and so is DH just incase the result is not what we expect we might get really stressed over it like last time and I want this month to be a calm one so not rushing into getting the results.

Good luck with OH's results, red

Sorry she got you Alex.

How u feeling today when?

Don't worry, I don't think I ovulate naturally so I was really looking forward to AF coming so I could start on clomid! Trying not to get my hopes up too much about it working

I need some motivation to not pee on an opk! Help! I feel like caving and finding out where I am in my cycle. Just gotten very broody today. Didn't last very long with relaxing. I don't want to know as I am enjoying sex more without having OV at the back of my mind but weirdly OV is always at the back of my mind. Arrrrrghhhhh! Must-stay-strong.

Don't do it red! You will only regret it later just like I have after eating cheeseburger and fries. I feel like a right fatty. You can definitely get through this cycle without monitoring ovulation. I'm not temping at all this month, I'm just going by CM so you need to be my role model. Don't pee on anything!

So, I shouldn't tell you that the CB digi 20 pack is only (only? Yup TTC makes you lose the plot) £23 rather than £30-40...

On day 2 of soy and worried as did very non-lawyer thing and read the warnings after taking it yesterday. Now thinking I might have screwed up a fairly normal cycle. When + winkle did you notice any side effects?

In other news, have either of you got any updates???

Thanks I haven't peed yet but thingy I have eaten a large tub of Chinese and feel like a fat chubby pig now. It was soooo good though.

Wow £23 pounds res! That is def a lot of money. I am monitoring cm and seems to be very ewcmy for the last few days. So hoping I have OVed early.

Oh and I have peed, just not on any sticks

I'm £23 lighter now thanks res . Only had a couple left from last month and wasn't going to bother this month since dh is away, but what the hell I need my fix still feeling a bit fragile but getting back to normal I think.

Still got heavy boobs and sore nips - who knows what it means?! Off for an early night so good night all x

alex good luck with clomid, hope it does for you what soy did for me

resipsa I didn't get much in the way if side effects, maybe a slight headache but nothing much really. Best of luck with it.

red glad you enjoyed the Chinese and well done for avoiding the opks.

winkle I'm feeling ok, I am burping a lot which is very attractive, this started on Wed. I am really hoping it is a good sign as I burped all the way through dd's pregnancy.

Haven't poas today. Think I am going to try a first response in the morning. If the levels haven't gone up its all over.

Thanks when

Sorry if I missed something, but won't the line darkness just depend on how hydrated you are? Fingers crossed everything goes well for you. I didn't know burping was a symptom! A friend of mine gets nose bleeds and massive boobs. I'm learning so much lately! Hopefully I'll be a burping, double D nosebleeder soon

Happy burping away when

winkle for you I hope it means what you have been wishing for so long. Fx.

Good to know you are feeling bit better wee I am missing my opk fix.

By the way I bought those 20 CB digi packs earlier on amazon just this morning. Made sure to change it from my work address to home address. Have never had a positive on them so think I might get through quite a few with clomid excitement

Oh winkle, this is interesting as you never mention symptoms, fx so tightly this is a good thing!!
Red well done on the will power, I love poas too much to have given up!
Alex I met a girl after dd who had got pregnant first round of clomid, I've heard really good things about it, she also got pregnant within a few months of having her ds naturally so just something to be aware of, I think it was a moment! She never made it back to work before the next was born

It's not like you to mention symptoms twinkle, I'm getting quite excited for you. I hope this is your month.
How are you feeling now when?
I've woken up with a nasty head cold which means DP is now in charge of cooking a roast, looking after the kids and food shopping. I feel sick just thinking of letting go of all that control. I've decided to just go with it and hope for the best.

winkle how are those symptoms coming on?

I've poas again today, it's very slightly darker but not reassuringly so. Far more reassuring was the fact I was very nearly sick this morning. I was hungry and last time I was pregnant with dd being hungry made me puke.

Weirdly happy you are puking when also the fact that the line is even slightly darker is good as hcg must be rising.

Good luck with the clomid alex have you started taking it already? A work colleague of mine told me she was trying for 3 years and finally fell pregnant on her first round of clomid. Seems like a magic pill to me.

I'm weirdly happy about your puking and burping symptoms too when!

kitty and red thanks so much for the supportive stories about clomid, I really hope it works. Currently trying to decide what time of day to take it and if that will make any difference to my success on it (cue obsessive googling) and also whether to bother temping or whether that will just put more pressure on. Have my follicle scan at the hospital on Friday. Where are you both up to in your cycles?

Hope you're still getting symptoms twinkle

Glad things look like they are going the right way for you when! Really pleased!

I could have achy boobs from going for a run the first time in aaaaages the other day! My hopes aren't up I've kinda resigned myself to the fact that its not going to happen naturally for me, been feeling like that for ages now tj

Not sure what that random tj is doing on the end there!

It CAN happen naturally for you winkle one lucky bugger is all it takes. Yay for more sore boobs.

I caved and checked my app - I am cd14 today. Can OV anytime in the next few days.

Keep dtd so you're covered

twinkles right red keep on dtd.

Well af is due tomorrow, obviously I'm expecting / hoping it won't come. My back is killing me, like bad period pains. I remember getting the same pains when pregnant with dd but they started at about week 5. Hoping its just the uterus stretching and nothing sinister.

We have kept the dtd going so far. Will get a few more in the next few days before DH goes away for work.

Back pains are also an early pregnancy symptom when it's looking good