Anyone else want to join me in getting ready for ivf in 2013? Good egg buddies wanted!!!(1000 Posts)
Dh and I have been trying for over 2 years and had one failed ivf (Icsi) attempt at the Argc last spring. We are going to go again in the new year.
I wondered if anyone else was planning to do the same? And whether anyone fancied joining me in 'princessing' (stolen from style & beauty ) for ivf?
I'm not sure what this means in terms of what I'll do, really hoping for some help in researching how to get the best eggs ever, and perhaps how to improve dh's little swimmers....
Anyone up for being a good egg buddy?
We are also going for IVF in the new year! 1st time so here's hoping. Dates TBC but our initial consultation is mid Jan.
When do you start?
2013 has to be our year!!
I'm not 100% sure, I need to phone the Argc and see if we have to do a monitoring month again. If so it'll be 1st jan ish otherwise the end of jan I think.
Ivf in the new year for me too. Had initial appointment and presentation last week and have got consent consultation the first week in January.
I am currently eating a Snickers bar, after a day eating the office Christmas Quality Street, and wondering about the logistics of a pre-Christmas egg-princess.
Hellooooo I had my first cycle abandoned in Sept due to poor response. Our follow up appt is 22nd Jan [ it was originally tomorrow but I moved it after Christmas] So i'm expecting to start jabbing again in feb...
In preparation I went on a diet 3 weeks ago and lost 6lbs. Then had dominos on Friday, McDs on Sat & KFC on Sunday,
Oh and I've changed some stuff at work so I
don't hate my job as much have less stress
Hello, can I come in? I'm having IUI in the new year. Will have four cycles of that then IVF assuming the IUI doesn't work. But it might. It might.
I think I recognise your name from the Frolickers, Karbea.
Hello Norf. We meet
I am just recovering from a Hysteroscopy and Laparascopy (operation last Weds). Due to start ICSI in the new year (have had all of the tests etc done privately, so ready to go, but waiting for the paperwork/start appointment) in Bristol.
Have only been trying since Feb, but knew of sperm issues from TTC DS (who is 3 at end of Jan). Sperm tests now even worse (plus I have just been treated for endometriosis) and I am 39 in Feb. so we are not hanging around...
Very good luck to everyone.
And me! First iui cycle this month due to thin lining from clomid (stupid drug!) So trying again in the new year on letrozole for two cycles, then ivf in march I hope (or may be icsi as we have morphology issues)
Good luck all!!
Clomid gives you a thin lining? How much Clomid do you have to have taken for it to happen? Is it a problem that persists, or does it get better in time?
<frets about yet another possible fertility problem to overcome>
scarletts my diet isn't very good either, my friend got me some chocolate truffles for my birthday last week and I've pretty much finished them off! Alcohol isn't my friend (or is!!!) too...
This morning I'm really trying to drink more water!
So what are we all doing currently? I am trying to edge my weight back into bmi normal. I am restricting myself to 1 coffee a day. I am not a great alcohol drinker anyway, so that's ok. I am trying to eat more immune-boosting foods, on my GP's advice. I am trying to take more exercise.
Girls - I need all the good egg tips I can get ....
We have a first appointment with ARGC in mid Jan for what will be our third (and final ...) IVF cycle. Poor embryo (egg ?) quality seems to have been responsible for the failure of our last two cycles ....
I've lived the life of a princess all year so am giving myself the rest of the year off (just had a Red Bull AND a cup of tea. Get that Zita West !) Feel like I've tried it all - supplements, extra protein, no caffeine, no alcohol, no fun (I probably could go on ...) - and am feeling a bit disillusioned with everything. Need to get motivated to get back on the healthy bandwagon come 1 January .....
northey I took the lowest dose, 50mg. It's a known and not uncommon side effect, so do make sure they scan you. I do ovulate already, so It's about upping the targets, and had two good big follies and several mediums. Such a waste! It should just correct next cycle as I've stopped with it. Doesn't it just feel like one thing after another..?
aries I'm assuming iui won't work, for my sanity. Quite poor numbers, but much better than our natural chances seem to be. Are you unexplained?
I'm taking omega fish oil, as well as normal pre-conception vits
bloody fortune 1.5 years in Also trying to put on some weight, bmi 18.5, though noone's said this is an issue. Less booze, less caffeine less fun more exercise.
bright sorry to hear of your failed cycles. I wonder if argc will have any insight into embryo quality. Were you with them before?
I'm having another go at IVF in Jan. I tried a conventional cycle in June/July but only got as far as downregging as I couldn't tolerate being on the drugs for any longer (I have always reacted badly to hormone drugs). I'll be trying natural IVF at Create, so probably going for EC in late Jan, based on my likely cycle dates.
Goodness, there are going to be queues out the door from all the clinics in January ! Are lots of IVF babies born in October/November ? !
Keep Jingling No our previous rounds were our NHS rounds at our local clince (which we were not enamoured with). Both times I got large quantities of eggs - but seeminly crap quality (on our second round I got 20 eggs. REALLY didn't need that many ... ) I'm
forcing successfully negotiated with DP to go to ARGC given the tight control they seemingly have over the cycle/medication. I'm hoping that they will be able to control it so that a smaller number of eggs are matured over a longer period of time thus preserving quality.
(Ok, I may have over googled this and have false expectations of what can be done. Maybe I just need to accept I have rubbish eggs)
This will definitely be our last shot at this. SO IT'S GOT TO WORK !
It WILL WORK bright side! None were good enough for frosties then? Do more eggs tend to mean worse quality?
Let's hope for an ivf baby-boom in 10 months.
euro does that mean just using your one natural egg, not even clomid or something? Sounds like a good plan, actually, though I guess lower success rates?
Has anyone tried DHEA? It is thought to improve egg quality. Two of my MN friends took 75mg of it in the period leading up to their IVF/IUI and though the odds weren't technically good for either of them, they both conceived and both have adorable babies. Both of them had low AMH, as I do, and in the case of the friend who did IVF, she was put on a short protocol because her hormones were so low that she didn't actually need to down reg, and she had one viable egg and it worked.
My AMH when it was tested was less that 3.5
and the bastard consultant didn't actually think to mention it until I asked about it and I'm hoping it will do some good. I'm also taking a B vitamin complex, fish oil supps and EPO. I fairly rattle
keepjingling, yes I'm technically Unexplained. I don't think it will work either. However the first friend I mentioned above had one round and conceived, though unfortunately she had an MC. Then she had another round almost immediately and conceived then as well and now has a lovely little girl. The thing the nurse kept stressing to me was how unlikely it is that it will work on the first go, but the chances do go up with subsequent rounds as they assess how you have responded to the drugs and they alter the doses
still shit though. I still don't actually think anything will ever work for me . Even when we started TTC three years ago I never thought anything would ever work. I don't know why. I'm just not that lucky. I know that's stupid and negative, by the way.
keepjingling yes, it is IVF just working with the egg you would have ovulated if it hadn't been collected. The success rates are lower (if you egg is crap, that's it for that cycle), but because there are no downregging or stimming drugs involved, you don't need to take a break between cycles - the only restriction is cost really! The first IVF babies (Louise Brown, etc) were all made this way, before they realised that they could use drugs to make women produce more than one egg. It's certainly not for everyone, but as the downregging drugs I took over the summer made me heavily depressed and panicky, I think it is right for me.
I've just asked Professor Winston on the webchat about what HIS one tip for IVF success would be. I'll let you know if he responds ....
I really wanted to ask if wanted to come round my house for a cup of tea and a chat about his view on my failed cycles. But that would have been a bit personal ....
I luff him <starry eyed>
I feel a bit of a fraud as I don't have a treatment plan yet. I had all my investigations for assisted conception this morning and we will get seen in about 3 months to decide if its IUI or IVF. Apparently from there it's just a few weeks wait for treatment. So I think I'll hang around and
stalk learn from you lot
I'm planning on turning over a new leaf in jan as I'm a bit off the ttc rails at the moment. I can't even seem to motivate myself to take folic acid these days
Well I just phoned the clinic and the cycle I had got all ready to start in a few days has apparently been cancelled because the consultant has gone off on long term sick. They're hoping to start again in the new year, but it's by no means certain. I'm feeling pretty devastated They hadn't even told me: it was just that I happened to phone them to ask a question.
God Ariel that's so crappy. I can't believe they hadn't even contacted you. Is it nhs? I'm sure they will have to get someone to cover the doctor ASAP as they still have to meet all of his patients needs. I know it must be so disappointing
Yes it's NHS. Haven't got any other options really or I'd be there like a shot.
Yes, the disappointment is making me howl . After I'd got all ready and prepared and everything.
Sorry to hear that Ariel. That's sloppy service. I know these things happen but a clinic should be able to make alternative provisions.
I (think) that Robert (we are on first name terms now) has answered my question (his answers don't all link to the questions) !!!!!!!
Q : I appreciate that everyone's medical circumstances are so very different but - if you could give just one tip to women going through IVF to increase their chances of success - what would it be ?
A : Go to a doctor who gives you time and clinic that you trust and preferably one in a good academic centre (not purely a private clinic boasting about its 'excellent' success rates which may be unrepresentative anyway). Units doing serious research in universities are best in my view.
I tempted to cancel my appointment at ARGC ........ Any recommendations for clinics linked to universities ?
We are at the Oxford Fertility Unit, which is part of the university research group, and have been given a massive wodge of info about current research projects we can opt into.
You do know professor w and mr t have history don't you? that would have been a dig directly at mr t.
Please can I join as a lurker as I will be going through IVF early next year but with DE. We got the call earlier this week that we have been matched to a donor so will be starting as soon as I have completed a mock cycle to make sure my womb lining is ok etc.
I had IVF last year using my own eggs but had a very poor response and only produced a single egg on the highest dose of stimulation. Although everything went as it should and I had a d2 transfer it was BFN. That was our only NHS funded cycle so we are self funding now at a new clinic.
Don't worry I will be mentalling just the same as everyone else that all I am doing will increase the chances. Exciting times for all.
mr taranissi is the Argc.
Basically how I understand it, is that winston 'invented' ivf, he then went on to do loads of chat shows etc to talk about it. In the meantime taranissi and others continued (and still do) research ivf. This meant that they continued to improve. Winston got jealous of the success,
Winston did a whole panarama thing and took taranissi to court. Taranissi won.
Hi, I am 37 and have been TTC for 16 months. I have PCOS and have tried clomid but still no ovulation. My husband also has low sperm count & motility. I'm awaiting a laparoscopy (new years eve!) and then probably ICSI. We're with Bristol - am I right in thinking they only offer one cycle on the NHS?
In the meantime I've been losing weight - I was about 16st when started TTC and am now down to 12st, not yet a healthy BMI but a good start. It was a minor miracle when I stepped on the scale for my first appointment at the fertility clinic and my BMI was 29.9, the max they will allow.
I've cut down on caffeine and take folic acid and omega 3+6+9 but not the multivitamin as I was constantly getting sick in those - maybe coincidence but it stopped when I stopped taking them.
Here's to a good 2013!
Flex vits make me nauseous if I take them on an empty stomach. With food, I find they are fine.
This is my first ever post. I'm sorry if I'm not doing it right. Is it ok to join you please? I've got my first consultation for investigations at guys on the 2nd jan. only ever been to zita west for amh test before this.
I'm 42, TTC for just over 2 years, never been pregnant. I'm very nervous about the process and yesterday I found out that my brother and wife are pregnant with their 2nd. He told me in response to me finally telling him that we are starting the IVF investigations in the new year. Today I am so gutted and feel defeated and I haven't even started treatment. I feel so alone. My boyfriend doesn't understand why I can't enjoy being an aunty even though we haven't been blessed with a child of our own.
I don't know what to expect from the first consultation. I was excited to finally be going after a year of saving up the money for 1 round of treatment but now I seem to have lost all faith and am dreading Christmas with my over excited parents looking forward to their 2nd grandchild.
Any advice much appreciated. Thank you for reading my post.
Hello Sharon. Er, would you rather be called Sharon or EnglishSquirrel?
Sharon, my thoughts are with you. It's just one of those things you have to get used to. That horrible stabbing feeling, no one only a few people really understand. Its pants!
I'm happy to be called Sharon but I hope that isn't confusing. I wasn't sure of the username vs real name etiquette when I signed up. I think I will change my nickname now that I'm chatting.
Thank you Karbea. I feel so mean because it's my little brother. Good to know its not just me.
Don't worry about being jealous of siblings. When my sister and SIL told me they were pregnant again, I couldn't climb out of the pit of envy for days and days . It's normal.
Ok I've changed my nickname. It's less confusing and I feel more like me.
Thank you Ariel. Just seen your reply. I feel like I will never recover. But I can see now that I will. X
has anyone seen the BBC Northern Ireland series Baby Makers? where they follow couples through IVF. I recorded them and watched first last night. it shows the emotional journey of treatment and impact on relationships. very interesting viewing, if a little raw!!
Can I join you, just found out today that our first cycle of ivf has failed. I didn't get a proper bleed for weeks like I was supposed to so lived in hope it may have worked but not showing up on test. But sadly af arrived this morning. I look forward to having round two nxt year, good luck everyone, let's make 2013 our year to shine xx
Blondebaby - I'm so sorry. I haven't had treatment yet so i havent experienced this but I really feel for you. I hope that you can rest over the holidays and have someone take care of you. Best wishes to you.
Sweetiesnowball - I haven't seen this programme. Is it on now on iplayer?
Merry Christmas to you all and here's to 2013.
Hi all. This seems like a thread with my name on it so can I join you? Like sharon I'm 42 and hoping to go for 1st cycle early in 2013 having finally persuaded DH. We'd previously said we'd never go down the IVF route but that was in the naive, pre-TTC days! I'm glad that he now gets how much it means to me and hope your BF gets there too, sharon and soon!
I feel an utter fool having left it so late. Why did I think I could defeat nature? But here we are and I have to give it a shot. TBH, the desire for kids didn't really hit until I was 38 which was probably too late anyway :-(
We're waiting for an appointment at Care in Manchester but after reading above, I wonder if we should try St Mary's instead? Anyone on here got experience of either or both?
Don't be too hard on yourself Resipsa (how do I make names bold?) some people are just late starters. I didn't meet my BF til I was 39 and the clock has been ticking since day one but we were no where near ready then whatever 'ready' means. You are right we have to give it a shot and our best shot at that. I'm already alcohol free all year and even gave up my 1 espresso a day AND chocolate 2 months ago so I'm caffeine free also. We can all support each other and fingers crossed it isn't too late. My acupuncturist tells me that it isn't a matter of whether I will have a child but when and how. X
I'd like to join if I may! I've already had one failed ivf in October, at oxford fertility unit, I think someone up thread mentioned it! I turned 40 in September so I was right on the cusp of getting my one free NHS go! They found a endometrioma cyst on my left ovary and I just had a lap performed last week to remove that, luckily they found no other signs of endometriosis so I feel all sparkly and new inside! We are looking to register with a new private clinic for ivf as soon as I've had my lap follow up in a couple of weeks!
Sharon I feel for you with your SIL's pregnancy announcement, we had the same not long after our failed ivf, with my SIL announcing their third child! It's been tough, hugs for you! By the way you use * before and after the word you want to make bold!
You're not a fool at all resipsa these things happen and you will get there!
Thanks you two. To avoid feeling like a fraud, I should say that we are trying for DC2. I have a DD (conceived naturally when I was 39) who turns 2 in Jan. Been trying for 2nd since 1st was about 6 months and time wise can't just wait to see what happens...
i start ivf at the argc very shortly.. Just finished my monitoring cycle and i have been put on SP and will start next cycle [nervous]. May 2013 be a lucky year for everyone. and hi Karbea - that 's exactly how i understood the prof W v mr T situation.
Cock, blondebaby, I'm incredibly sorry to hear your period turned up. How are you feeling now?
This thread is cheering me as there are lots of fellow oldies on it
Speak for yourself, crone. <checks own D.O.B.> Oh.
I'm way older than you, wench.
But I am somehow on my third pudding of the night. You're probably physically a fair more enticing specimen for a fertilised egg to roost in.
Right girlies, we need to start creating a list of things we need to do to get the best eggs we can.
1) no alcohol
2) no caffeine
3) eggs for eggs - minimum 6 eggs a week unless doctor has said otherwise.
Keep adding girls!
Bugger, I hate eggs.
4) Protein (seems to get mentioned a lot)
5) Immune-boosting stuff - blueberries etc (recommended by my GP, fresh back from a seminar on ivf and the need for a healthy immune system)
6) At least 3 litres of water a day (can't remember what that was for).
Morning, can I play too. I am in the 2WWs after my fifth IUI (second with SO). Had a MC after previous SO IUI. We are thinking of moving onto the hard stuff after the sixth IUI.
As to what to do for happy eggs, I have no idea (and I misbehave lots, in the WWs I happily drink, I only felt a little guilty when I got diffed). The only real difference for me is Folic Acid, and since I've been on that approaching 3 years, that feels normal too . I am trying to get my BMI back on 25 (it was just over 26 at my lap last summer). I might be there already but we don't have scales, but I started exercising properly after the lap and have dropped a dress size if nothing else.
Thanks to our IUIing on and off since March, we noticed that SB (my overly lightweight husband=skinny bint) produces about 3x as many useful swimmers if he's relaxed. The diffage on holiday
hideous stories might have something to do with it. So he's on a fun and less stress at work diet.
Oh and we're completely unexplained, apparently I have extraordinary normal insides. And despite the fluctuations, SB's contribution falls within the normal range (although his lowest samples might have pointed at mild male factor, but I got diffed on his worst ever sample, about 4 million after washing and spinning).
Resipsa I'm at St Mary's in manchester. I'm NHS, the pct haven't decided how many cycles I can have yet. If you go on fertility friends there are forums for St Mary's and Care, to be honest people seem to think Care is better from what I've read. A lot of people have switched from St Mary's to Care after a failed cycle. I think you should have a look and maybe post on there about it to get some better advice. Have you been on fertility friends before? I found it hard to access the right part of the forum from the main page. If you google fertility friends forum north west and borders it should take you to the right regional page.
Hi northy, I'm fine thanx...just glad we now know for sure. We were in limbo really for weeks coz as the saying goes it ain't over til the witch shows up and she did that alright!! I feel fine tho, just looking forward to xmas now. How r u??
Lemon so sorry to hear about your mc, do you mind me asking what SO means in relation to IUI?
We need to eat 6 eggs a week?
What other wonder foods should I be troffing? <hides piles of Chocolate wrappers>
I avoid caffeine and no longer drink enough to suffer from 2 day hangovers but apart from that my diet is as terrible as ever.
Fine thanks, bb. Having coffee and cake for breakfast. What are people doing about IVF healthy living over the Christmas period. I already seem to be descending into food-related insanity...
<massively comforted by crap-eating cupcakes>
Cupcakes it's Sperm Optimization (how lovely)! I'm having it too. It means they pick out the best swimmers, the ones with just the one head which don't swim round and round in circles. It's good for mild male factor problems.
THree litres of water? I will be permanently weeing. Can I not substitute some of that with wine/beer/sloe gin? Or even apple juice?
I don't know! I just read it somewhere.
I do appreciate a permanently bursting bladder isn't ideal. Especially when it's so rainy.
Having tried all forms of miserable deprivation during ttcing (no alcohol, no coffee, etc) and it having made no difference at all, I am taking lemon's approach as we head for IVF. My diet is pretty healthy now and bar special occasions I never have more than about 4-5 glasses of wine a week these days, so I plan to just carry on as before.
I think SO is super ovulation - giving women who ovulate drugs with the aim of making them pop out 2 or 3 eggs to give the swimmers more targets. I had three cycles of SO (without IUI) earlier this year.
Er yes. That. Where the fuck did I get sperm optimization from? AND I am actually having it!
Euro is right wrt to SO part, but aries they do find the most normal looking sperm for any IUI (whether with bonus eggs or not) by washing and spinning.
Oh and I detest eggs unless combined with lots of sugar = meringues or sugar+butter+flour=cake
Eggs for eggs? Bloody hell. Oh hello, I'm Jethro. I'm currently down regging for our first cycle of IVF at Care Nottingham. I'm off the alcohol, caffeine & trying to actually eat some vegetables.
Thanks cupcakes, will have a look..
Is there an optimum advance period in which to be super healthy? Or is it the same result if I start on the first day of the first injection? I am quite low caffeine and alcohol anyway, but am planning to reduce further. Just wondering whether to start NOW NOW NOW or relax till after Christmas.
Hello. I thought I'd pop in. We're looking at doing a FET in the new year, after 2 failed rounds of fresh ivf, needed due to
shite sperms male factor infertility.
My clinic were verrrry specific in what to eat/drink during the cycle, but let me do what I wanted in the preceding months <slurps sloe gin and scoffs Xmas rocky road>
I think during the ivf 2 most important things are protein (doesn't nec have to be in egg form!) and lots of water. It helps eggs and womb lining grow, plus helps prevent the evil ohss. Being veggie, I began eying up muscle men powder, but ended up drinking milkshake and eating those disgusting protein bar things. I also peed a LOT!
As well as that, during the cycle the clinic said to eat/act as a pregnant lady. First cycle I was more strict with this, second not so
I couldn't be arsed. Obviously neither worked, although we did manage to have a spare embryo to freeze from the 2nd cycle.
Good luck to you all and don't be too hard on yourselves over Xmas....
Hi gin. Hurrah for actual knowledgable knowledge from someone who has actually done a cycle, as opposed to my vague "ooh I think I read something about lots of water" contributions.
Can I join?
I have my first proper IVF appointment in 3 weeks where I'll learn about whatever protocol I'll be on and will then start after I get my next period.
I am 35, have endo and low AMH so am not sure what is going to happen. Managed to get upduffed 2 months ago but lost it at about six weeks. Nevertheless, the good doctor reckons that it was a fluke and we should press on with IVF.
In the meantime, I've been gobbling pills like a madwoman. My arsenal includes: Royal Jelly, CoQ10, L-Arginine, and DHEA. Just been taking the DHEA for the past week or so. It has given me the horn! [insert seedy laugh]. Am also cutting back on the grog which is depressing. And am about to try to eat 60 grams of protein a day - I read somewhere that that is good for the eggs.
Haha! Realised that everyone's already been talking about protein...whoops. I was thinking of doing those muscle-man powders as I am a vegetarian, but they look pretty vom-worthy!
Beans and pulses. They're protein. And Quorn if you have that sort of stuff.
Morning. Yay for not needing to do anything pre-IVF cycles. I shall ignore being in the WWs for my IUI. As it is too late for that already. Those on my regular freds already know I drank a fair bit this week, and I had loads of raw meat with my friend who lives with a lovely, but quite strict, veggie...
I reckon if you put some nuts in rocky road it can be part of the protein-thing and being happy has got to be good for something. I am not veggie but lived with one for a while, so I second the pulses and beans. As well as cheese(cake). And nuts.
But I was wondering do you need the extra protein especially if you're growing loads of eggs. As SO only aims for 2 or 3 eggs, which is not that much more than happens naturally. Apparently my lining normally is beautiful (I find the compliments one gets at the clinic sort of grimly entertaining), which means I think I shall stick to the do as you normally do approach. Although stimming (very mildly) gives me headaches, and that makes me drink loads as a direct result, cos I stupidly think it is dehydration. It makes me a pee a lot too.
So is anyone off the booze over Xmas?
I am keen to get rat-arsed, as usual, but will probably only have half a bottle of wine. I love healthy food and exercise, but alcohol is the hardest thing for me to give up! But when we started TTC we were drinking a bottle of wine plus a beer or two, every night - since then we have cut back a lot. Hope it's worth it...
Beady, me too. As in finding booze the hardest thing to give up. I eat pretty healthily anyway and am underweight it anything, but I find it so hard not to drink anything at all. That's not say I drank loads before, but, for example, we do our quiz once a week. It's the only thing we do regularly together with friends, and when everyone is regularly quaffing ale, it's very hard to just
snort sip your coke. I don't drink more than 4 cups of tea a day and rarely coffee. Surely a bit of wine isn't going to make much difference - and I do mean "a bit". After three years TTC, I am willing to bet that our problem isn't that we drink too much.
I am starting IVF at Bourn Hall in Cambridge the second week of January. I'm 39 and have a DS, who is 4. We have been TTC for almost 2 years and have been diagnosed with 'unexplained infertility', if that even counts as a diagnosis. I never in my life dreamed I would be in this situation and even now I don't really believe it. It took a while with DS but I put it down to us both working like maniacs during that time and DH being away for work a lot and so not a lot of diligence. Now I wish that we had started TTC as soon as DS turned 1 but I really couldn't face it then because he was a very poor sleeper and I thought the next time would be easier (ha ha).
Like many of you I am finding it very hard to be described as 'old' by doctors when I feel as young as I ever have. It has really affected my confidence in a lot of ways and it really isn't necessary in addition to the infertility. I already know it is hard for me to conceive that's why I haven't done it yet! So why rub it in by referring to my age? I went to one scan and the nurse must have said the (patronising) words 'older mums' at least 6 times in 2 minutes.
Is anyone else starting IVF in Jan? I'm giving up alcohol and caffeine (sigh), winding down both over this week.
Welcome fairy. I am also giving up alcohol, probably this week! I wasn't planning to give up caffeine completely, but change to green tea rather than coffee as I get closer to the treatment. It's not going to be easy! I know what you mean about being treated as old, I am only 35 but doctors say stuff like "that is to be expected, for your age"...
I don't know whether anyone else has heard of this but apparently quitting refined sugar during stimming is a good idea. Apparently sugar is bad for the growing embies and not only affects acidity but it causes insulin surges and too much insulin effects hormones. I guess this all comes hand in hand with a low GI diet during ivf. Not sure of the science behind this!
fairy - i also never dreamed i would be in this ivf situation. I think i'm in slight shock about it actually. Doctors love to use the age thing and it can come in all guises at different ages...several yrs ago when I was 31 I was being told "oh your amh is low for your age". Thanks, so my ovaries & reserve are old compared to me. It really does affect confidence.
Hi Joycep and Beady - I think doctors are just trying to be 'realistic' but actually it really only affects your confidence and makes you feel terribly pessimistic and unhappy. If you have got to the point of IVF you already know the facts and I don't think many women are actually going to be amazed to hear that their age/hormone levels etc have something to do with it. My GP was reassuring and said that I would most likely have a second baby either naturally or via IVF but she is the only one so far. I don't see what the deal is really, it's not as though if it doesn't work I'm going to go back to her and say 'you shouldn't have been so encouraging!'
And the other thing that annoys me about the age issue is no one was there to tell my DH that he needed to get over his issues about 'settling down' a few years ago or else we would have trouble having children. Nor would any of them turn to him now and say 'so why have you left it so long?'
I've just been reading the Zita West book and she recommends low GI generally and especially during treatment. I suppose it's worth a go at least because then you avoid consoling yourself with sweeties although I agree with you joycep that I doubt there is much actual clinical research behind it.
Hi everyone, I've been away, but now back to the real world.
Sharon sorry to hear about your bro. My sister told me she's having her second, again conceived instantly, a couple of weeks ago and I cried for days.
blondebsby so sorry your cycle didn't work.
Af just arrived, so onto the letrozole and iui. aries I was planning three iui but due to this cycles cancellation will only do two, as living abroad, with medical insurance, only till August. So sorry to hear your cycle was also cancelled, and not even for a good reason! That's dreadful. My cancellation coincided with my sister's announcement. Yes, that was a bad weekend...
fairy if I am ever lucky enough to get pg I will never use contraception post birth. If I miraculously got knocked up again immediately I would be ecstatic. Bloody doctors. How long did you ttc your first?
Not sure I can cope with all these ivf 'rules'. Argh!!
My first time on mumsnet. I had a miscarriage 3 years ago and have been trying to conceive ever since. I am now 43 and recently had a fertility M.O.T including an AMH test at Create. I found out that i had poor blood flow in my uterus ( which may have been the reason for my MC), a big endometriotic cyst over my right ovary and an AMH result of 0.06. Great news all round then. I have been told that I have a 5% chance of conceiving with my own eggs but a higher chance with donor eggs. They recommended that the donor be under 35, if i wanted to find my own donor, or they could provide the eggs. My sister who is 42 has offered her eggs, which i would much prefer - she has 3 kids of her own and is an elite athlete. She has had an AMH test and is awaiting the results. I now need to find the money for IVF and decide whether to abandon any thoughts of using my own eggs in favour of my sisters - depending on the AMH result of course. Anyone had an AMH this low or has any advice re IVF on such a low result?
I am currently preparing for donor egg IVF in the New Year. I'm on the pill to synchronise my cycle with my donor's, have had all the blood tests etc and DH has left a frozen sample at my clinic abroad. I do feel a bit of a fraud, as other than one scan to check my lining as I have to do is remember a few pills/patches/pessaries. A bit less stressful than the jabs/blood tests and scans prior to EC.
Aiming for ET sometime in end of Jan/Feb if all goes well. I am quitting alcohol come the 1st and all caffeine, so no tea/chocolate, (thank god I don't like coke or coffee), as well as doing my 30 day shred DVD. Also on the prenatal vitamins. Other than that I will be proceeding pretty much as normal.
SE3 I've got low AMH (1.83 I think) but FSH of over 20 - so no point in even thinking about cycling according to various consultants. I've had 3 IVFs, all with poor response, and a family history of premature menopause, so a fair time to come to terms with using donor eggs. PM if you want to chat more. x
Also SE3 the two major indicators for success with donor eggs are donor age and proven fertility, nothing else has a significant effect. Something to think about before going with your sister rather than a different donor?
SE3 I did an IVF short cycle in September, my AMH is 0.0 but my FSH is 9, so these things are never straight forward. I was on the max stims and produced a single egg/embryo but it sadly resulted in BFN.
delilah I am also preparing for IVF early next year with donated eggs. I am currently on a mock cycle to make sure my womb lining reacts well to the hormone drugs. I have to go for a scan next week to take measurements etc. Then I have to start down reg jabs to sync cycles with the donor. Not sure of the exact dates as yet but would think EC/ET will be Feb.
sweetie it's nice to meet someone else in the same boat. I don't know anyone IRL who has/is having IVF, let alone with donated eggs..
I am not having a mock cycle, although I did have a mock transfer at my last appointment. I'm going with a clinic abroad though so it's a bit more hands off. Their stats look good though <crosses fingers frantically> I don't have to down regulate either - I am on the pill, and then stop the pill and move onto estrogen patches when my donor starts stimms.
Delilah I have a friend in RL who has DD from DE, which may be why it wasn't such a major decision for us. Also bizarrely a colleague is also going through ivf with de at the same clinic as us too. We didn't even look into clinics abroad before but I believe they have excellent reputations. Sounds like it is very similar treatment if slightly different timings.
I hope you all had a good Christmas. Just wanted to wish everyone a happy and healthy new year. I look forward to getting to know everyone and I hope that 2013 brings all that we wish for. Best wishes
Feeling quite unhealthy at the moment, after a Christmas of food and drink and laziness, but New Year is sort of a good time to start afresh anyway, so from tomorrow the coffee, booze, chocs etc all stop, and the veg and water all return. My consent consultation is in 10 days, and, assuming all goes to plan, I'll start injecting in February. Gulp. But at least that gives me a good month to get my body back on the path to healthiness.
I am v crone-like in ancientness and will be having first attempt with DE in January, so good to hear of others on this road. I feel inspired by everyone's heathy resolutions and hope that helps me stick to my own.
Good luck to everyone in 2013 and have a great and hopeful New Year Celebration wherever you are x
Managed to get through NYE without indulging too much in booze - now time to cut it out entirely (aagh!). Luckily it's a beautiful day and the sunshine is very inspiring.
keepjinglingthosebells - it took about 18 months to conceive our DS but quite a few of those months were not even in the running because of our lifestyles at the time (I was doing a very tough full time degree course and DH was commuting every day to a job he despised). The month I got pregnant I did not even think it was possible because I had just finished my final exams and was totally fried, we moved house and only had sex once, on about day 17/18 which I assumed was too late. Now I have been doing BBT I know that stress always delays my ovulation so actually it makes sense but at the time I was astounded when on day 32 I suddenly realised that AF had mysteriously not shown up (normally day 27 or 28).
We then weren't in any hurry to conceive no 2 because a lot of my friends took a long time with no 1 and given our circumstances I assumed that was why it took so long. Also we really could not afford to have 2 children in full time nursery or me going part time so it wasn't really feasible to start TTC until DS was 3. He also was a v poor sleeper and I had health complications during pregnancy and delivery that did not make me keen to get pregnant again right away. I also felt that I wanted DS to have time to be the only child, a lot of the people I know have children very close together and they end up having little energy for either (not that I blame them!)
Now of course I often think - why didn't we start again sooner? so I totally understand why someone who had trouble TTC no 1 would not plan any deliberate gap between no 1 and no 2. But probably all of us who are having trouble conceiving think if I could do it again, I would have started when I was X years younger. A counsellor told me that you make these decisions on the best information at the time and if everything were 'normal' I would have got pregnant again in a reasonable length of time after starting TTC so it was not a bad decision to leave it a while. I can intellectually understand this but sometimes I do feel tremendously guilty for having delayed it.
And I forgot to say Happy New Year everyone and good luck in 2013.
Hi isabeller nice that there's another DE person around. Are you using a clinic in this country or abroad?
So far today I've done my shred DVD, made and eaten veg soup for lunch and a healthy fish pie for dinner, and been for a long walk with DH. All very good. Sadly I have also eaten a load of chocolate and am enjoying a coca-cola - the last of the Xmas treats.
On and Happy New Year one and all!
Hi delilah I am going to a uk clinic, also doing semi healthy eating and exercising not very hardcore at all in fact quite undisciplined. Ho ho hum.
fairy I'm so sorry, I didn't mean to sound critical. Of course, you made the decision based on what you knew at the time, and as you say, for most people they could decide and plan to some extent when it'd happen again. You know you can conceive, and carry a baby successfully, so once you have ivf to help on that first bit you'll be all good. :-)
I managed some exercise yesterday, get me!
keepjinglingthosebells- don't worry I didn't take your question as criticism at all! If I sound defensive its because I am always trying to justify my choices to myself! As you say I have done it before so fingers crossed I should do it again although it would have been nice to happen so effortlessly again.
18 months doesn't exactly sound effortless :-)
But I know what you mean. The last three people I know who've got pregnant literally have told me it was a one night or one month thing. How many shags will it take me? Ah yes, I'm outsourcing now...
I'm also back in the land of work and reality after a very restrained Christmas with no chocolate, alcohol or caffeine. Loads of sex though so fingers crossed :-).
My parents were very quiet about the arrival of grandchild no. 2 which I was extremely grateful for. If only my SIL from hell was as sensitive. She was so hammy with the pregnancy symptoms. Hands on belly and back, moaning about being sick, sitting at the dinner table with her hand over her mouth and going on about how this is definitely her last. She is only 3 months for goodness sake. I just had to sit quietly and take it calmly. Thankfully I hardly see her.
Anyway rant over thanks for listening. Now down to business. We had our 1st appt at Guys yesterday. They confirmed that next step is IVF. We are now waiting for new patient appt, a scan appt for me and an invitation to an information evening. Like Northey I could be starting in Feb. Crikey! Does anyone have any tips on what to do about work please? Yesterday the Dr said that it was up to me. But I'm worried about coping. Should I take a month off (not easy) or tell work or plough on and see how I go? If anyone would like to share their experience I'd be grateful.
Thanks for reading.
Best wishes. Sharon x
Ps. Good luck to all those starting a cycle this month.
Sharon when I started my cycle last summer, I told work I had some drs appointments coming up, and that was it. I didn't get as far as EC, but I planned to work from home for a couple of days afterwards. For me it was important to keep things as normal as possible, without overdoing it.
SE3 I'm also at Create (and live in SE4, so we might be near neighbours if your name is representative of where you are based!)
Now all the festivities are over and done with it is back to reality. I have my scan tomorrow to check my womb lining is ok to proceed after taking the mock cycle hormones. I am hoping if all is ok we will get a better idea of dates when things will start. Exciting times.
Anyone else got appointments coming up?
sharon, I might have had to accidentally drop a turkey on your SIL's head. Or pop a champagne cork right into her hammy backside. But I am mean.
My period turned up over Christmas, so yesterday I managed to shoehorn in my cd2-5 blood tests, which we needed recent versions of before the consent appointment this Wednesday. I was really worried I wouldn't menstruate beforehand (cycles have been utterly unpredictable since last ectopic), so even though I'm not pregnant at least I have got my tests done in time for the appointment.
sweetie, my consent thing is next Wednesday.
Northey good luck, did they send you the paperwork to look through in advance? Good news AF turned up when you needed her to, usually it is the other way around isn't it.
Yes, they handed it to me after the initial appointment+info evening thing - a massive folder full. We are actually planning to read through it tonight and find out what Wednesday's appointment actually involves.
Good luck with scan tomorrow.
sharon - I am planning to be out of the office for 7-10 days around the egg collection time but that is because I don't know how it will affect me as it is my first time. It is also pretty easy for me to work from home so I can keep on top of things even if I don't feel up to coming in. I wouldn't want to take a lot more time off than that not just because my boss would be v unimpressed but because I would just obsess about the IVF the whole time.
Does your SIL know you are considering fertility treatment? If so it seems extraordinarily insensitive of her. I don't blame you for being annoyed.
You all may know this already but I checked prescription prices at Asda and they were significantly cheaper than my clinic - £700 for my prescription against £1100 at the clinic so definitely worth going there. Apparently they supply at cost price.
I had a 'drug teach' today and start injecting some time towards the end of next week depending on when AF shows up.
sweetie good luck with the scan.
sharon I must admit I always worked through most of it, but did take 5 days off around EC and ET. This time I am going to get my GP to sign me off for the whole 2ww - I want to know we have done everything possible to make it work. My boss and his boss are all vaguely aware of what is going on - big boss only has one child himself from IVF so is very sympathetic. Really though, do what is right for you.
sweetie I hope your scan goes OK today.
I'm having a lazy ish day today. Have a friend over for food later, but that's it. It's a beautiful day here so I might head outside for a walk at some point too.
Good luck northey and sweetie!
Went to my first acupuncture session today. He normally does this ivf work up, 8-12 sessions, but when I said I'm already doing iui he wouldn't do anything in the tww. So I'm thinking I mightn't bother. Has anyone any experience?
Have been told we can't do stimulated iui the month before ivf. So stimulated iui next week, ivf appt early Feb, natural iui mid Feb, if end of Feb!!
Sharon your sil sounds like a prat. How exciting you're starting soon too!
Lovely day here too. A mere half cup of coffee this morning, and a long walk planned for this afternoon. And lots of water.
No experience of acupuncture, keepitgoing, but I think euro has, if she's around.
Not strictly IVF but I am about to start a FET cycle, well, today fingers crossed. Have a baseline scan this arvo and then hopefully start popping Progynova.
History-wise. Came off pill, no period. Scan showed PCOs - but normal hormone levels etc. So confusing. No ovulation naturally, with Clomid or with Letrozole. Went straight for IVF and ended up with my gorgeous DS. Maybe he is too wonderful as I am desperate for number 2
We have two vitrified blasts which we have our fingers crossed defrost and stick around.
My bestie announced she was PG on NYE so really hoping I can join her. Surprisingly (and I know you all know what I mean!) I was absolutely ecstatic for her. More happy than when I found out I was PG (angst ridden pregnancy for me!)
Any way - hiya!
Norfy my consent appointment is next week too.
As I've already done all this once at King's, I'm hoping we can whizz through it.
And yes, keep I have had acu (quite a lot of it by now!), so feel free to ask me anything about it.
I had it through my IUI cycles last year. Neither of the two acupuncturists I have seen have had any problem doing treatments in the 2ww (although they do modify what they do according to where I am in my cycle).
Just my experiences of work and acupuncture.
Work-wise. I was very lucky. My clinic is 5 mins walk from work so it was easy for me to nip out for the multitude of blood tests and scans (I ended up stimming for over 3 weeks...!) Because to the unpredictable nature of EC and ET I did actually tell my boss when I knew what day EC would be and that ET would be roughly xx days afterwards. My 2WW was over Christmas so I worked from home/had the BHs off. I actually started running again (already did a lot and gymming before) a couple of days in as very bloated from EC. Helped keep me sane
I am a big fan of acupuncture. I started about a month before my IVF cycle and carried on weekly until my first trimester and then fortnightly until birth. I credit it with a symptom free PG.
This time I started in September knowing I would by transferring around January. Odd about the 2WW comment. I will have it the morning of ET and then after the transfer and will continue with it weekly.
Thanks everyone for work tips. Like Fairy I think I will take time off as it is my 1st time.
Delilah I was also thinking of asking GP to sign me off but wasn't sure if that was possible. Has your GP said she will do that for you? That's really encouraging.
Northey/Sweetie I hope your appts and scan went well. I didn't consider all the paperwork. BF will freak out. He is already so nervous about this.
Fairy thanks for the prescription tip. I asked Guys at the fertility show about going elsewhere for drugs and they assured me that they are the cheapest as they get them at cost. Now im not so sure Which clinic are you with? Good luck with injecting. I'm dreading that bit. I'm so squeamish about needles. Oh well needs must.
keepitgoing I've had weekly acupuncture since May. My therapist is great. She had DS with DE 2 years ago and specialises in fertility. I find it so relaxing.
Vallinapod you are an inspiration. I've had 5 pregnancies announced in 20 months (2 from SIL from hell who knows we are starting IVF) and Im ashamed to say I was nowhere near as gracious as you. I am going to try to be more positive.
Northey are you 'princessing' your eggs? What are you doing?
Have a lovely weekend all. Thank goodness for Friday nights :-)
Northey sorry just realised it was Karbea who started this thread about 'princessing'!
sharon My GP has been lovely - put loads of my blood tests through on the NHS, has said he will do the same for the drugs if I get pregnant (My clinic only provide them up to date, after that you have to buy them yourself) and has said he will help me with whatever I need. Very very grateful
Has anyone got any specif tips for good lining quality? I assume its all the normal things like vitamins, exercise and lots of water, but anything else that might be useful would be good. I'm afraid I'm very much an acupuncturist skeptic, although I do have some relaxation CDs I plan to use when I start the next phase of treatment.
loads of autocorrect errors there, sorry people
Sharon I think it is only because she is my BFF , that and the fact I am excited about getting going again on our journey, and the prospect of being on mat leave together.
Delilah - I have lining 'issues'. My IVF was done when my lining was 7.5cm so they are accepting that I just have thinner lining and if I get that far they won't push me to 8+. That said, I am an acupuncturist believer...so we are going to be working on that. Plus lots of protein in my diet.
CM?! Clearly I mean MM...or have a jumbo uterus
Sharon for my ivf cycle last year my GP signed me off for 6 weeks from the first stim injection right through past outcome. I would not have this long off again it did my head in the waiting & mentalling. I think I would say from EC through to a couple of days past ET. My GP has been lovely too, really supportive and put my hormone drugs needed for DE mock cycle rather than going through clinic with their additional costs.
delilah I used relaxation CDs too, there were different tracks for the different stages. I did find them very useful and tried to do it every day.
My womb scan went well, lining 13. something so they were really pleased. This was after 12 days on the hormones, I have to continue until Monday when they will investigate the donors cycle to try time things to line up. Am excited now, feels like it is getting close now. Exciting times.
We have our next clinic appointment on Monday and fortunately I've been too busy on full time care duty for last 9 days (but home now, phew!) to obsess before. We will have the treatment plan explained which will be a big help as I've got rather a hazy idea of the medication side.
It sounds like I might be about 3 weeks behind you Sweetie and I need to look into your advice about prescription costs fairy.
I'm feeling very muddled headed but that's mostly due to deep tiredness and sneezing
Gosh so lots of us this week then. Good luck with yours isabeller.
I have been told I'll do short protocol - anyone else on that?
I am a bit torn between feeling positive and preparing myself for the worst.
northey I am on the short protocol as well, so I go directly into the stim phase with no down regulation. My doctor prescribed this because I have a very high AMH for my age (39.79 pmol, 39 yrs old) and there is a risk of OHSS. Paradoxically though because I am older its also advisable because I don't need to be shut down as things are already slowing down!
I am grateful for the short protocol because much less time to wait and I have read the side effects are less.
I know what you mean about feeling a bit torn, I think because it is now so close I am having major second thoughts about going through with it. I took my DS on a special trip to London yesterday and kept thinking maybe I should just count my blessings and let it go.
Wow - I have my appointment next week as well. Still don't know what protocol i'm on - I hope it's short protocol. I have low AMH and ancient, withered ovaries, so I assume there's not much to shut down in there.
I have somehow managed to convince myself that I am magically preggers and will cancel the appointment. Someone please come and slap me!
I know - I have a mildly sensitive left nipple. Obviously a pregnancy symptom...
Gosh so many of you are nearly up and running. So exciting. I know what you mean about wondering if you are doing the right thing. We've had so much time to think about having a baby I keep questioning myself. Now that the process is underway and I'm waiting for our new patient appt it is becoming a reality. I also don't know whether to be excited or scared. Good luck to you all. I look forward to being on our journeys together. X
Quiet on here today
I have had a nice and healthy day. Long country walk with DH, food shopping for lots of healthy meals during the week, and now relaxing whilst DH cooks a roast.
My clinic said 2-5 weeks on the pill before I stop the pill, it's been a week and a half so far. So as little as a week and things could really happen.
Hiya everyone, I went off line pretty much for christmas, so sorry for posting on the first day and not coming back! Thought I'd better introduce myself properly...
History-wise I had an ectopic about 13 years ago <feels old> and they had to remove my R tube, a hycosy last April showed the R ovary 'pre-menopausal', v small and the consultant said it looked like it had the blood supply restriced during the surgery years ago.
FF to now, been TTC 2 years at the end of Feb, OH has 2 kids from previous relationship. Because of my history I wanted to get on with investigations as early as possible so in Jan 2011 we went to GP and stretched the timescales a little. June last year had AMH come back at 4.22 so low for a 35yr old [FSH was a little high at 12]. August we got rushed through to IVF [long protocol which I was about at the time] but it was abandoned before EC due to poor response. The irony of it all is that the only follicle that formed was on my [previously written off] R ovary, the L so-called healthy ovary didn't bother to come to the party at all...
Like euro I had a REALLY shit time on down reg, practically suicidal [I kid you not] it was truly horrible. I think I was over-suppressed and that is why the stimms, despite being nearly full dose [I was on 5 out of a possible 6 powders] just didn't work. The thought of going through that again for nothing is fairly hard but if they insist its the only way they will fund then at at least we will know what to expect this time [so I can stock up on hankies & clear the cupboards of razor blades!] [Oh and clear my social calendar, I missed a christening & an engagement party last time because I was so ill/low]. At one point I was reading the buserilin leaflet to pick out the side effects I HADN'T got to try to make myself feel better
My appt to follow up was booked for 18th Dec but I moved back to 22nd Jan so I didn't have to deal with it through Christmas, got a letter Xmas Eve saying it had been pulled forward to 15th Jan so next Tuesday.
I'm preparing for a battle on the short vs long protocol so we will see what next week brings! Turned 36 over xmas too boooooooso feel like I'm on the wrong side of the fertility fence now...
Will be re-starting mid-end Feb, although I have developed a fear that they will refuse to let me try again due to poor response last time, I know this is daft but I can't stop thinking it
Oh I'm a big advocate of Acu too btw, and my womb lining was also described as beautiful by the nurse whilst counting my follicle.
Only tip I can remember from last time was to switch to semi-skimmed milk from skimmed and drink 1-2 pints per day whilst stimming. I hate mile but got around this by making decaf lattes & Hot Chocolate.
Scarlett in the nicest possible way, it is great to find someone else who had a tough time downregging. Most people I know who have done it IRL or on the board say vaguely "Oh I think I had a couple of headaches" or something like that. I felt like such a outlier with my extreme reaction. It is helpful to know that it just happens that way for a minority of us. (I also remember reading the side effect list and ticking them off to my husband at the time when I was about 10 days in and feeling utterly, utterly miserable).
I won't be joining the milk drinkers. I am dairy intolerant and hate even the smell of milk. I am trying to eat plenty of protein though. <Orders steak>
Sorry to hear how tough ti was for you Scarlett - I was not nearly as bad as you but found down regging way harder than any other point.
Anyone been on Progynova before? I started on Friday and feel quite crampy. Could this be my lining getting thick quick? <total wishful thinking emoticon>
scarlett and euro - wow, I am very glad I am on the short protocol if that is how you found DR. I have read though that overall the long protocol has better chances of success (but also that these days drs are generally moving towards prescribing the mildest drug regime possible) but who knows really?
The nurse told me to eat more protein when I start stimming but I haven't heard about eating higher fat dairy as well. Happy to accomplish that via nightly ice cream...
bead and northey -I suffered from a bout of 'magical pregnancy' as well over the weekend but a HPT brought me down to earth. sigh. I got my prescription for Gonal F filled today so I guess I really am going through with it. I almost want AF to come early so I just get started and stop second guessing myself.
<wishes I'd thought of ice cream>
Hi all, I am early days pregnant via IVF and also became pregnant with ivf 2 which resulted with my ds. I became pregnant at 40 and will be 42 in a couple of weeks. My IVF attempt before this one was abysmal with only 3 sorry looking eggs but this one resulted in 12 on the same drugs. Go figure.
For a lot of clinics the 1st ivf is a trial run to see how you'll react to the drugs etc and a lot will be tweaked in subsequent IVFs.
I did drink a lot of water during stims but also had the odd drink and ciggie. Both my successful cycles were when I kept to normal life as much as possible. So last time that included a wine tasting evening during stims and this time I had the Christmas work do and Christmas itself, when I ate and drank everything I was offered, including very rare beef and prawns and drank coffees. I was so tired of being held hostage to ttc that this time I really ignored that I was doing it - I kind of felt it was the best way. So I also drank quite a lot of lovely very old port one night. I had a couple of days when I felt shattered and had some long naps. My beta was on 31st Dec.
I also only told a couple of people I was going through IVF and definitely not work. I took the day off for the retrieval but went straight back to work after the transfer. It's a very stressful time and if you have too much time to yourself you can drive yourself nuts by analysing every twinge etc.
I kept to my usual diet which is quite high in protein anyway. I would say the protein is more important before you start stims.
Before I started stims I took a high dose folic acid prenatal and Eskimo fish oil in the evening and vitamin C, B vitamins complex and Eskimo oil in the mornings. Also one good quality ubiquinol a day. I stopped everything apart from folic acid during the stims.
I hope this doesn't come across as patronising. I googled endlessly for clues on what to do when I started. Am happy to answer any questions. Good luck!
LOL why do we do this to ourselves? I was utterly convinced I was pregnant in October - to the point I left work, went to Boots and POAS in the work loos. This was despite having millions of PG tests at home and being 99.999999% certain I really couldn't be
Oh and for the past few of weeks I have felt PG. On the pill.
I also posted for all those who think they're ancient.
Scarlett good luck for next week's appointment! They will not reject you!!! Are you Nhs despite dh having kids? Awesome! (And sorry I should know this)
Thanks to those who responded re acupuncture. I think this just shows my man's not much of an expert despite his claims, so don't think I'll go again.
northey, and others, it could happen, the magical FCFU...
keep his kids don't live with us so don't count thankfully [well of course they do COUNT, they are very important iykwim, just not when assessing NHS funded IVF, at our PCT anyway] Just get the one go here though.
One of my friends said that if it didn't work then not to worry I have 2 kids in my life anyway so I'm luckier than some yes 20 hours a week of looking after someone else's kids makes me feel soooooooooooooooooo much better about the whole barren broken body situ some people really have no idea
I think the SK's are the reason I have a real barrier to discussing donor eggs, as I don't feel like a DE child would be any different to SK's in that they would be genetically OH's but not mine so it feels fairly pointless for me. I do love them dearly btw, we get on great and they are fab kids, but they are not mine.
ExpatAl thanks so much for posting your inspiring message. Congratulations on the BFP as well. It's nice to know that all is not hopeless for the ancient. Did you do 4 IVF cycles in total? Were you on the short protocol?
I am considering acupuncture before and after EC but have no idea how to choose a practice, does anyone have any tips? Is there a registry for 'proper' practitioners?
scarlett I know what you mean about people saying 'you should consider yourself lucky to have X' as I had that experience with one of my friends about my DS. The thing is that if you want a child you want a child and comparing your situation to other scenarios that are "worse" is not really very enlightening. All of us who are trying IVF only want what most people take for granted - to have a(nother) child.
fairy try to find a recommendation if you can (I am happy to recommend mine if you are in London).
ExpatAl thank you for your message and congratulations on your pregnancy. I am taking the "carry on as normally as possible approach" and that will involve the odd glass of wine. I gave up alcohol and caffeine for a few months last year (including my first cancelled IVF attempt) and all I got out of it was misery, not pregnancy! The self-deprivation just made the whole process worse. I realise though that this approach will not suit everyone but I think it is the right one for me. People get pregnant in all sorts of environments, after all.
Just popping in to let everyone know there is a documentary, Baby Makers, following 4 couples through ivf treatment on BBC4 tonight at 9pm. Sorry for the short notice only just seen it is on.
Thanks for the reminder! Someone mentioned it on another thread yesterday but it had slipped my mind.
Ooooh thanks sweetie
euro one of my closest friends, the mother of my goddaughter [who was an IVF baby] had a really easy down reg but struggled to stim, it took her 3 go's, when I said I didn't know if I could cope with down reg again she said something along the lines of 'you can't want a baby as much as I did then, I would've done ANYTHING'
As it happens time is a healer and I've decided if they tell me I have to down reg again well, then I will but yes it's nice to 'speak' to someone who understands how low it goes
Fairy - I too have two recommendations. One in Hampstead (my first cycle) and one in Epsom/Kenley (my current one - clinic in Epsom/her house in Kenley) If you are outside London ask you clinic for a recommendation.
Hi...please can I join IVF 2013?? I had my Baseline scan today and bloods (this is my 1st cycle) and have surprisingly started injecting tonight! Was a little nervous, but all went well. I'm on short protocol with Gonal F and going back for another scan on Saturday...it all seems so real. We are private funding as I'm 43 and no chance of NHS help.
Have been trying to speed read thru this thread - so much information - a great read. Thank you. I did however pick up on a few things that I might be able to help others with....low sperm count for the DH....worth trying walnuts....seriously...my DH eats 50grms a day (we then mix with raisens just for a tastier snack). We had the same problem after a vasectomy reversal and within six months the count went from below 3million and not particularly good other readings from the sample to 27million excellent progressive and good for IVF.....we were that shocked I actually asked the consultant whether he had perhaps got the wrong results. DH also takes Centrum multivitamins. Some may scoff, but we have certainly managed to turn the results around.
Also fairypangolin did I read that you are with Bourn in Cambridge?? And that you are looking for Acupunture? Where are you based in East Anglia?? I may be able to recommend.
I too have stopped the alcohol (dull but hopefully worth it) and now drink Decaf tea - which to be honest I don't mind. Water and protein are also priorities.
So it's IVF 2013 for me.....
A sensible veg-heavy and caffeine-light day today. How long does it take for ivf healthy living effects to filter through? Should I have started months ago? Gulp.
I was a bit alarmed by all the advice to drink milk, until I saw the post about ice cream. What an excellent idea. I may also experiment with custard tarts
Can't beat a good custard tart...would that really count? ...arrhh who cares, enjoy!
north good luck today, and good luck to those who've just started.
Scarlett wouldn't DE be different to SKs though, as you'd be pregnant with them, and have them full time, warts and all? But I totally see your point, and don't think you need to go there yet, and am sure you won't. X
You're up early, kig!
So tired today, and really tempted by a massive mug of coffee, but will resist.
Nope, I live in se Asia at the moment, so its lunchtime!
Resist the coffee, bracing UK air should do the trick...?
Train has been cancelled, so am being exposed to the bracing air for 20 minutes more than I'd like this morning!
Omg. Have just been told I've been matched with a donor. I have taken my last contraceptive pill and start estrogen patches on the first day of my next period which should be in the next 3-7 days. I then have a lining scan around 8 days after that, then transfer 2-10 days after that. It's all happening now..!
wow delilah that is amazing news. How exciting. It will all happen really fast now. Did they tell you much about the donor? Are you egg sharing?
My cycle has been put back prob until March as they want me to start taking hormones to regulate my cycle. Since ivf last year it has been a bit irratic so they need to take control. This drugs are like the pill regulating to a 28 day cycle, which is easier to fit with donors cycle. They want me to do at least 2 cycles on this before starting. I am a bit disapointed but at least they are not rushing us into things. I just want to get going!!!
Following on from AdaKate we needed icsi for the first round but my dh started on wellman vits and his counts and quality shot up.
Fairy yes, 4 cycles in total and short protocol for all of them. It worked really well for me. I don't think they wanted me to risk shutting my ovaries down incase they never woke up again!
Morning all, did anyone else watch the prog sweetie mentioned last night? I did, really enjoyed it, I like the consultant, that's exactly the attitude you need
not the patronising pessimism most of them have
Cried at all the test results too, what a plank, OH was p'ing himself 'I knew you'd be blubbing' but he watched it over his laptop with me and I think he learnt something...
Interesting Scarlett I have recorded it. Looking forward to watching it. The BBC northern Ireland one was good too but not exactly positive. Might try to get DH to watch it too.
sweetie the consultant had a sense of humour and broke it down into normal speak but you felt like he really understood & cared. I want him to be my consultant
considers move to Liverpool AND they get 3 NHS go's!
Interesting from a science view as they show the whole process, icsi etc, quite a focus on the embyology side of it and thats the tack I used with OH to get him to watch, it wasn't judgey at all and I'm glad OH watched it, I think he is too but I don't want to ask so I'm not 'going on about it'
Scarlett in a very tearful decision in the clinic waiting room when I was losing it, we both decided that we didn't want a baby if that is what we/I had to go through to get it. Everyone has their limits.
I watched the programme too. I liked the consultant. The advice to have a quickie at the MiL's was hilarious! I found the "behind the scenes" stuff really interesting - sperm selection for icsi, assessing the developing embryos, etc. I thought it was interesting that of the four couples they followed, only one was successful, which I guess roughly reflects success statistics (obviously these are age dependent, but the average seems to be one in three or one in four cycles are successful). OH appeared to be playing on his tablet throughout, but I hope he had one eye on it.
Scarlett our new consultant used football analogy to describe low amh I am sure that was for DH benefit. It did make him feel more engaged though.
hah so did this guy but with SA! definitely a man thing, I thought it was quite funny, not sure if i would've liked being told my AMH was Shrewsury Town though
Hi Sweetie we are going abroad for DE so no egg sharing. They have matched us on hair/eye/skin colour and blood type, but as there is full anonymity we won't know a lot more than that. Good luck with getting your cycle sorted on the pill, hopefully it won't be long until you start too.
Scarlett I didn't see that program last night but will try and get it on catch up.
Anyone else doing DE - who have you told in real life? My MIL knows as DH told her (I wish he hadn't!) but that's it so far.
My amh was the dressing room and the players (my eggs) were still there just sat quietly
Hi Ladies, mind if I join?
Just got an appointment for our consent appointment on 23rd Jan so will hopefully be starting ICSI some time in Feb Just want to get it going now!
I also watched the programme last night and cried for all the results, especially the positive one. Did enjoy it though and was fascinating to see all the embryologists.
New Year's resolution is to try to stop getting weepy so much in front of DH as he feels it's all his fault
Great news Delilah! Sweetie - I sympathise, any set back is frustrating.
Hiya to the new joiners.
I am feeling bloated and knackered at the moment. Only 4 days in. I feel terrible as totally wishing my life away until scan on Saturday.
I quite enjoyed the programme last night. Very 'realistic'. I too really enjoyed the embryologists. They are the unsung heroes of this. The nurses too. I don't know about anyone else but I only saw my consultant at our initial appointment
adakate I am in Cambridge so if you have recommendations for acupuncturists here that would be great. Not in London but thanks for offering euro and valinnapod.
ExpatAl glad to hear that you persevered through the 4 cycles.
Expat, just had a chance to read your 1st message in more detail. Thanks for the advice. Today is day 2 of stims for me - short cycle. Like you, few people know of our IVF journey and especially not work. Best way I think. Great to hear you've had two successes with IVF. Were all your cycles ICSI??
Fairy have private messaged you.
Consent consultation tomorrow. Meep! Any advice?
Write down as many questions as you can think of, even the silly stupid ones! Also go through the list with OH and see if he has anything to add.
Don't forget your folder!
Ummmmmm write everything down, take a spare pen as you & OH will undoubtedly have MORE forms to sign...
Fairy did you supply the gonal F yourself or did you buy it from the Clinic? I wasn't aware you could do that...?
Northey....i'm on short protocol, started yesterday. ICSI for us.
Good luck Northey and I agree with Scarlett ask as many questions as you can. I know when DH and I drove home from our intial consultation our heads were just full and spinning, but it finally calmed down and we pieced it together and were able to discuss, so writing notes down can only help for afterwards.
Oh and I would ask about excercise whilst stimming. My consultant advised me not to do my "heavy" gym classes whilst stimming or after egg transfer. So now for me, it's walking.
I don't have any questions, scarlett! I am a failure as a patient What did you ask about?
Ok. Exercise. That can be my first question.
Hold on I'll dig out me folder
Oh thank you, how lovely of you!
And I can stop googling "questions for consent consultation"
I think I am a bit surprised to find myself here. Normally I am ultra prepared for anything medical. This all seems to be happening so fast.
What can we do to increase chances of success [maje sure youc cond back and tell us this one ]
Time commitments, working round work, scans pre/post work an option? How many visits to clinic in the course of treatment?
Pre-pay for prescriptions? [am assuming you're NHS]
What happens if it does work? What happens if it doesn't?
Ummmmm that's me done I think
Thanks scarlett. I think I also want to ask about success rates of things like egg collection and fertilisation. Do they ever get people who don't produce any eggs. And how likely is it that none will fertilise. Ulp.
Fwiw don't let them rush you. I think one of the reasons I failed last time was because I was rushed into it and didn't feel mentally or physically prepared. I should've done it the following cycle to give myself time to get my head round it once we had agreed to go ahead...
This time I'm leaving one whole cycle between appt next Tuesday and starting so i can get my head into the game
and stop drinking wine for at least 4 weeks before I go junkie again...
I think they may also want to do the fake embryo transfer and baseline scan tomorrow as well. And I need to dash into GP's in the morning to pick up latest blood test results to take.
Ooooh you could ask how your test results compare to the average results that they deal with.
See we're on a roll now
Sorry, this is a bit of a sleepy stream of consciousness.
I thought I was doing well with my projected 40-50% chance of success, until I read on another site that a woman was told she had a 60% chance. Bah.
Pfft she was lying...
You could just ask them in the appt if they have wifi and log into MN, just ask them to type their answers straight onto the thread, saves you trying to remember tomorrow when you get home
north you could ask chance of ectopic given your history, and how many people they have with similar.
Number of embryos to put back, success rates for 1 and 2, who makes that decision and when
Day of transfer, 3 or 5
That's a brilliant chance of success, btw.
Thank you all. I am quite overcome with love for you
Also, kig, I suspect my success chance is lower now, as it was partly based on me being "lean", which is rather less true this side of Christmas...
Also check check check you've got all the tests they'll need.
And what protocol, drug regimen, drugs post transfer.
Let us know how it goes!
We've had terrible faff with missing tests, and I am going to pick up the results of the last bat h this morning, on the way to the clinic. So yes, I am definitely obsessive about that now!
Once I've had the consent consultation, are there any more hurdles, or do people generally start in their next cycle?
Hi AdaKate, the first attempt was icsi and the rest weren't. Just straight IVF.
Best of luck to you all. It's so shitty to have to depend on all this rigmarole to have a chance of a baby.
Northy good luck today. As Scarlett says don't let them rush you into a cycle too soon. I also pushed start back a month to get my head around it all. Another question is timing of meds if they recommend morning or evening?
And make sure they show you both exactly how to mix powders and extract all the liquid. There are some great online videos too that show step by step how to do it all.
Good luck Northy!
Reading all this about powders and liquids makes me realise I had it 'easy' (well, in IVF terms!). I sniffed Burserelin for a month and then injected puregon which you put an ampule into a pen type thing, twisted the top to the required dose and the pushed it in.
FET is no jabs just tablets then bum bullets (still LOVE whoever coined that phrase!)
I am huge - I kid you not. I look about 5 months PG. I can only assume it is the progynova. Or Monday's bean casserole.
Vallinna I did the mixing, the first time takes ages but you speed up as you get used to it. I used to have a routine which I thought helped. I am feeling massive too, am sure it is the hormones I have been taking. More to come so will have to get used to it I suppose I think I am going on the same as you for a couple of months to regulate my cycle. I am hoping this might mean no down regging - -I realised straws are being clutched at - -
I'm new to Mumsnet, and hope you don't mind if I join this thread?
My husband and I have been trying to get pregnant for three years. As I suffer from endometriosis, I knew it was going to be a bit of a slog. A little over a year ago I managed to get pregnant naturally, but unfortunately I lost the baby at 7 weeks.
Not having been able to get pregnant again, and having finished all the tests we're being referred for IVF this year, and have been given a list of places that we can be referred to for treatment (we're being referred on the NHS).
Does anyone have any advice as to how to go about choosing the best place to go to? I've been looking at the HEFA website for success rates/stats etc. but I'm not making much progress!
Gosh so much has happened in a couple of days that I've been off.
Welcome to all newbies and loads of luck to all those up and running.
Expat. Congratulations on your pregnancy. Thank you for sharing your experience. I'm also just 42 and TTC since 39. I feel like my chances of success are dwindling each passing birthday. Only good news is that ive been told that my AMH is 7.93 which apparently is good 'for my age'. I swear if I hear that again..... However in the next breath she said that I'd better go straight to IVF cause that could halve in 6 months!
I'm torn between living normally and trying to follow all advice to feel like I've done everything I can to succeed.
Thanks for the walnut tip whoever wrote that (sorry I can't remember) my BF also takes pine bark extract and well man conception (we get the his n her pack). It will interesting to see if his results have changed when he takes his 2nd test.
Thank you for all the questions. I have diligently written them down. It will be funny if some of us are at the same clinic and have appts next to each other. The consultant will have dejavu!
Beckie. This is my 1st time too. I looked at HEFA website and googled and read loads of forums for experiences. We are private so cost was a factor and also success rates for women 'of my age'. Basically it came down to ARGC (couldn't afford and potentially v stressful?) and Guys (affordable, well after a year of saving) and good success rates. We also went to the Fertility show and spoke to all the clinics there. Guys were very helpful and spent ages answering questions. Also my acupuncturist has been invaluable in advising us. Good luck.
In fact I'm off to an acu appt now. 45 mins of sheer bliss.
Beckie Maybe one of the fertility shows would be a good idea? You could potentially see quite a few places then almost. We did our cycles at our local clinic and had poor response, went to ARGC who said No Sorry due to my FSH levels, and are now going to a clinic in Spain from an online recommendation.
Sharon I am trying to live well - I'm not drinking, take a good vitamin, and try and eat reasonably well. I've spent loads of time in the past stressing about my diet I'm a bit meh about it now.
Good luck with your appointment Northey I can't think of any other questions to add I'm afraid.
Drug free for me today, just waiting for AF to show so I can start patches. Never has a period been so desperately awaited.
Beckie just to add when choosing a clinic be realistic about travelling times and ease to get to. Some clinics like to see you very regularly (every other day) and often very early in the morning. My egg collection appointment was 7.30am, even though the actual collection took place late morning.
I am based in Yorkshire and prior to my cycle I was planning to go to a London clinic if our NHS funded cycle failed. Once I had actually done the cycle I realised it just would not be possible unless I based myself in London - of course that may be a possibility for you.
Hi Delilah. Im trying to be healthy too. My biggest problem is stress and relaxation. Acu helps and I'm trying to meditate and I've got some hypnotherapy tapes recently (visualising abundant ovaries that kind of thing). But one thing has really turned things around in the stress reduction stakes for me and BF....ballroom dancing! It is so much fun and we love it. We laugh from the moment the lesson starts to the moment it ends and it is a nice exercise as well.
Congratulations on finding a donor. So exciting. Isn't it funny that you are now willing AF to come? Mine is due in 4 days and I'm still holding out hope that all the Christmas baby dancing action has worked!
Hi beckie. I based my clinic choice purely on ease of access.
Yesterday's consent thing went ok. We did forms, a baseline scan, a mock embryo transfer and some injecting lessons. Took about 2 hours. I feel oddly flat this morning though. Drug company should phone within a week to arrange delivery, and we are aiming to start with my next period, which should be in early February.
Delilah and Sharron here's hoping for ironic bfps!! But otherwise that AF gets a move on.
Glad the appt went well northey and how exciting! I know what you feel about feeling flat, sometimes I'm excited, sometimes terrified, sometimes very nothing.
I had my scan this morning, lining good, one follow
never mind I get a follie on my own so why the drugs that gave me a rash so iui scheduled for tomorrow afternoon!
Fingers crossed for tomorrow arvo keepitgoing
Northey - I know how you feel. I think (speaking from my experience) we live from one appointment to the next and once the appointment passes, especially when you are waiting for your period or a cycle on the pill (which the turns into two ) there is this lull where it feels like you are doing nothing. It only gets worse with the 2WW
All the best for tomorrow keepitgoing. Fingers crossed for you.
Don't worry Northey. I know what you mean. i run home every night to check the post waiting for the appt letter. But the wheels are in motion now and it wont be long. You have a bit of time now to keep going with healthy eating. Maybe you could do something spontaneous with DH before it all starts? Something really fun.
How did the appt go anyway? I'm nervous about the injections. Was it easy to do?
Sharon the first injection is utterly awful. Took me about 45 mins to pluck up the courage to plunge. And it didn't hurt a bit. It was really easy after that. Promise!
I hit OH to do my injections, he hates needles but as it was in an auto injector he was fine with it, in a funny way I felt like he would feel more involved.
annoyingly as I became more and more irrational I started to get really upset when he wasn't there and I had to do it myself I was pretty screwed up by buserelin though
I GOT OH to do them
I didn't hit him.
Although I felt like it on a daily basis once the down reg kicked in
And especially the night he went to a party I was missing cos I was so ill and didn't get in til 4.30 the next morning
Injecting was easy. But then I was doing it on a fake plastic stomach. I suspect the mental hurdle of putting the needle into my own flesh will be a lot harder to get over. The lovely nurse said that the best way to get yourself through it is to think about what you are aiming for through all this.
This is my first post on here but would really like to join this thread.
I am on my third round of ICSI (no success on last two goes). I started injections on Christmas Day and was expecting my bleed last week, so am now over a week late. This didn't happen on the last rounds. Has this happened to anyone else? Trying not to worry, but well... !
Thanks for the reassuring replies. I've already decided that my darling BF will have to do the injections for me. A few weeks ago I had to do a blood sample for a food sensitivity test and he had to prick my finger with a lancet. I cried for ages and he felt so guilty!
I feel very upbeat and excited about it all today. Found out that we are invited to the new patient info evening at Guys on 6th feb. which means that it will probably be march til we get going. Im impatient!
I wanted to share something with you. At the fertility show in london we went to various talks, one was with a hypnotherapist called Russell Davis. He shared his fertility story and told us how he decided to become a hypnotherapist and help others with fertility issues. Anyway he has some tapes and after my crash before Xmas when SiL from hell shared her news, I decided to invest £28 to purchase the mp3s. I've been listening every night and once during the day and I have realised that I feel much better. I have even started to believe that all this might work now it could be nothing but if i feel better then I am going to keep going with it.
I got the assisted conception one and I listen before sleep once BF has gone to sleep so as not to interfere with any bedtime activity .
Anyway just thought I'd share the experience.
I hope that everyone has a lovely day.
Hi everyone (waves at missbrightside)
I'm new to this thread but have had a quick look through some of the old posts
We're waiting to start IVF attempt #2. #1 was stopped in November as the down regging drugs made me develop a load of cysts which I then had to have drained under anaesthetic. Am waiting for my period (day 40 something already, getting bored now) and will then be starting again. I have all the drugs and so am just waiting
Is anyone else doing the short protocol version? We're having to do it to hopefully prevent me developing cysts again so it means I have to do 2 injections a day, instead of down regging first
Northey we're with the Oxford Fertility Unit too and so far I've beenr eally impressed. I did the injecting into the plastic stomach thing in mid Dec and I'm struggling to remember what I have to do now, especially as I have to do one drug in the morning and then the one out of the fridge in the evening, and one of them makes a vial for 3 days, and one is for 1 day.... oh god..
I'm short protocol too, caip. I'm also really liking OFU, even though I have nothing to compare it too. It's just so calm and peaceful there!
I don't remember anything about making a three day vial. Help!
When's a period a period? I am getting some brownish gunk, but I am wondering whether its because I was on the pill such a short time (13days) my lining didn't start to build up properly.
Think I've decided that as this didn't happen til 5.30pm I shall wait and see what happens over night, hopefully it will develop and I can start with the patches tomorrow.
Hi all- just had my baseline scan this morning and did my first injection just now. Really very easy as the needle is superfine and there is only a tiny bit of soreness when the medicine goes in. Far easier than having your teeth cleaned at the dentist!
delilah when is a period a period? A very philosophical question but I often start with brownish and then it becomes brighter red the next day.
My clinic define it as a red bleed.
Can I ask why you stopped at 13 days? You may not get a proper bleed.
vallinnapod I was on the pill to synchonise my cycle with my donor, and they found one very quickly for me - I was expecting to be on the pill for 4-5 weeks, having been told it takes between 2-6 weeks, and they found me a donor in a day under 2 weeks. The joys of going to a clinic abroad
The moment I am getting a red bleed I am going to count it as day 1. I feel very PMT-y and full of angst right now. Also slightly weepy.
fairypangolin Huge congrats on getting that first injection out the way. I used to use a combination of ice then pinching a fold of skin really hard and wouldn't even feel the needle.
Also - northey caip Oxford is local-ish to me. When we all have our babies maybe we can have a meet up
Fingers crossed for you Delilah!
Congrats on the first jab down Fairy
I have a scan tomorrow to check on my lining. Really nervous...
I think I'm going to see if I can call one of the nurses and go through it all again northey!
They are so lovely I'm sure they wouldn't mind! Apparently the clinic director had done a YouTube video as well (though I must admit I couldn't find it).
Hello, I would love to join if you will have me. I am 36, TTC 1 for 3 years. Have had mixed experiences with NHS hospitals. Got completely written off as infertile with no hope of ever conceiving and sent away by one 'specialist' based on one blood test result and no other investigation so after much heartache got to see a different gp and referred to another hospital that have done ultrasound and HSG which both show everything fine. DP sperm all good and we are now waiting for review appointment and hoping next step will be IVF. I have been trying to read up about the process and watched the baby makers program which I thought was excellent. Like lots of you I cried at every result. The last year has definitely been the toughest so far in terms of holding it together and I totally sympathise with the feelings when other people share their 'happy news' after 5 minutes TTC. Try not to be bitter and twisted but hard some days! Wish all of you all the luck in the world and hope 2013 brings us all what we are yearning for. X x
TMI but I had red blood this morning. Not a lot, but at 4 days after stopping the pill it seems about the right time for a bleed, and I've had quite a few cramps as well. So I'm all patched up, and should be going for a scan to measure lining thickness next Friday, just waiting on confirmation from the clinic.
Celebrating Saturday night with a caffeine free Diet Coke! Whoo!
Lining scan today showed 4.6, which isn't fab. I need to get to 8. They have upped my progynova to 8mg and I have another scan on Tuesday. Anyone got any experience of this? Interestingly my acupuncturist said I should ask about Viagra as it is often used in poor response cases. Again, any thoughts?
I hope the snow doesn't scupper me getting to the clinic
Hi vallinna fingers crossed the snow holds off! I've heard that selenium supplements can help uterine lining. This article seems to say that a linings as lower as 3mm have lead to pregnancy. I know my clinic only requires my thickness to be 5mm or better at my day7 scan, and I'm not scanned again before transfer.
fairy I am celebrating Saturday night with Thai takeaway and water. Very rock and roll. Planning to watch the new Ken Follett adaptation later too.
AFM - After red this morning, AF vanished all day, but I've just had a bit more fresh red spotting. I keep telling myself it's not a proper period, just a bleed, but I still can't help but feel stressed.
Just sticking my head in to reassure everyone worried about injecting that it is EASY. I've done six rounds of IUI, the last three were with SO. I can recommend googling for youtube vids of your medication if you're in a pickle. I found the first few hard emotionally, but very easy physically. And another thing I got quite bad side effects from menopur, but was absolutely fine on gonal-f. So if need be switch drugs.
The pre-IVF health kick will take place abroad we're in my TWW for the sixth IUI now, review in Feb, lovely holiday after that. And then, maybe IVF, maybe more IUI, as it has worked once (but mc) before...
Yep Saturday nights just don't feel the same. I was drinking mint tea instead of the usual white wine and we are both trying to eat healthily! Good luck to all of you with appointments this week and let's hope for no snow, unless it means I get a day off school
Vallinna when I did my mock cycle I was on climival for my womb lining. This did the job, when scanned it was 13mm. They have prescribed cyclo-progynova for me to take when af arrives. Is that what you are taking?
lemondrizzle just goes to show how different we all are, i was on 450 of menopur with no side effects. It is a case of finding what works for you.
delilah i always count first morning with fresh red as day1. It is so stressful, can you speak to the clinic. Btw my donor, at a uk clinic, was found in 3 weeks from my initial appointment. We were amazed at the speed.
fairy well done with the injections, you will be an old hand by now. I always found it more challenging mentally than phyisically.
That is funny sweetie. I was on 75 units of menopur (aiming for 2 follies only) and had side effects, and none on 100 units of gonal-f. I am quite sensitive to hormones though...
Can I join in....I had a read of this thread yesterday and it felt like the kind of support and advice I could do with.
I start taking noresthisterone tomorrow, this is our 1st IVF on the NHS. Have previously had 3 IUI attempts with SO, all unsuccessful. I have never been pregnant. Came off the pill nearly 5 years ago and my periods went haywire as well as my skin....grrrrrr. I've always had clear skin and all of a sudden I was covered in spots which to this day are still there. I suppose in the grand scheme of things that's fairly minor but it just adds to the feelings of inadequacy and over emotion.
Back to the IVF....I'm on a mid luteal protocol, not sure that I really understand the differences between them all, and I start with the tablets tomorrow, next Monday will be the 1st buserelin injection and then it continues.
Has anyone been on this protocol? What can I expect as side effects from these drugs? Is there anything I need to do specifically to keep me sane!!!? It's more the emotional side I'm worried about, putting all these hormones into my body.
I'm eating eggs, drinking milk, taking cod liver oil and folic acid. What about the booze....is it a definite no no or just in moderation?
I know I've asked loads of questions and anything you are willing to share with me I would be very grateful for.
Good luck to you all
Sweetie - I'm on 8mg progynova and then 5 days before ET we will add 200mg cyclogest twice a day.
Hi, can anyone help with a bit of evidence/reserach based info?
I've posted on the fertility friends thread about my hospital pre my appt tomorrow as [I think I said before] I'm really concerned they are going to make me do long protocol again.
A couple of posters have said that my particular unit will do short 'as an exception' and suggested I take in evidence to demonstrate that I am an expeption based on my bad experience with down reg and my subsequent poor response to high stims.
Only problem is, all the 'evidence' I can find is anecdotal - I can find a million sites with people saying SP is better for poor responders, low AMH etc etc but no actual FACT to back it up!
Any clues? TIA
Scarlett - maybe start the conversation "SO how do you deal with poor responders, those with issues down regging" and move on to the "I have read about x, y, z"
This is how I intend to broach whether I should be on baby aspirin/Viagra to help improve my lining if my scan isn't great tomorrow. It must get a bit annoying for consultants with people 'self diagnosing' with google/forums etc but on the same hand I think that they get a bit set in their preferred protocols and don't necessarily see women as separate cases IYSWIM
Cheers vanilla I think you're right, rather than going in chucking a pile print outs at them and demanding I go on a different protocol I will try the 'ok so that didn't work, what do we do differently this time? And if they insist on repeating the whole exercise, I just have to try and hold my ground about why we would repeat a course of treatment that only succeeded in making me ill...
Good luck tomorrow!
I've got my lining scan booked - Day 10 rather than day 7, so Monday 21st. Now to hope things grow and develop as expected.
scarlett maybe if they say you should do LP again you insist on a full explanation, in light of your personal experience and what you have read about SP being more appropriate. If they have an explanation (eg better success rates) then quiz them on it. Maybe there is a good reason but it had better be pretty good to overcome your personal reservations.
hontytont I think if you are starting with buselerlin at the mid luteal phase of your cycle then you are on the long protocol with down regulation. The short protocol starts at the start of a cycle and there is no down regulation. As for drinking alcohol during treatment, I have read at least a couple of widely reported studies that had better success rates when women abstained completely during IVG. However, a couple of studies doesn't mean absolute truth and there are lots of people like ExpatAl on this thread who were successful when they didn't bother to cut things like alcohol out entirely. I am not drinking but that's what I feel like doing. Our wedding anniversary falls just after when we will probably have the egg transfer and I am certainly going to have a glass of wine that night though!
I'm on day 4 of stimms and over the weekend I felt absolutely no side effects and started to wonder whether it was actually working at all and whether they should increase my dosage of Gonal F. However today I feel suddenly rather odd and my lower abdomen has become a bit bloated and tender, like just before AF arrives. So I suppose it is working! I have my second scan tomorrow.
Scarlett I agree with Fairy, absolutely question the consultants decision if they want you to go down the long route again, especially after your experience. I know it's not easy and sometimes uncomfortable questioning someone who is qualified in this area, but you know your own body. Good luck
I too have given up alcohol and caffine. Hope it helps!!!!
fairy thank you for the advice....I think I will lay off the booze and give myself the best chance possible. Bit nervous about the side effects of the down reg but let's see how it goes.
Hope the scan goes well tomorrow xx
Well as usual I was panicking about nothing and over preparing.. As soon as we went in, the consultant said we had 2 choices, either try again with my eggs or try again with DE, and if we try again with my eggs she would change our protocol. Fab! So we obvs opted to try again with my eggs and she offered short antagonistic protocol or a natural IVF cycle, gone for short antagonistic cycle with 300 units Menopur [i was on 375 on long protocol but she says on short anything more than 300 won't make much difference and it's just more hormones]. Phew!
So relieved! We've our info appt on Monday a it's a new protocol, but i don't want to start until end of Feb as we have a dirty weekend planned mid Feb...
Feel loads more positive about the whole thing now, operation
ugly sister princess can commence!
fairy & vanilla how did your scans go today?
AF arrived today so I start injecting tomorrow. I've got menopur 600 but can't remember what dose I'm meant to take and then cetrotide 0.25 to start on day 5. Have got a, list of questions for when I speak to the nurse tomorrow like what to drink, can I exercise, how far do I stick the needles in, any ideas anyone?
northey when do you start?
Hope everyone's ok x
Ooh, excellent news, caip!
No idea about the drinking question, but I was told to stick the needle in about a centimetre. Though when she did it on the plastic stomach it went all the way in. Hmm. Maybe a centimetre is the minimum. I was told not to do exercise more vigorous than walking or peaceful swimming once I started injecting. Partly because apparently I won't feel like it because of the bloating, but more importantly because of the risk of ovarian torsion (I think she called it).
I am waiting to hear from drug company at the moment, and then I start with next period, which should be in the first few days of Feb. Gulp!
And well done scarlett on a good outcome from appointment!
So glad your appointment went well scarlett. It's such a relief to know what course you are on.
Good luck caip! I'm sure tour nurses will have the answers.
Scan today was 'meh'. Lining had grown 1mm to 5.6mm. No change in the drugs, just a rescan on Friday. Chugging milk and attacking protein like a cave woman!
I'm glad you got the outcome you wanted Scarlett.
scarlett glad to hear the clinic was sensible.
My scan yesterday went well, I have 5 follicles over 10mm and 22 'waiting in the wings' (on day 5). I'm just hoping the smaller ones catch up before the biggies get to 18mm but the nurse said I probably won't have EC until Monday so I guess she wasn't worried about that. I started injecting Cetrotide and Luveris as well as Gonal F last night. These require mixing as well as injecting and it was really fiddly - made worse by the nurse forgetting to give me syringes for the Luveris so I had to speak to a doctor via their emergency line and then use a cetrotide syringe, which is prefilled with water so it was all a bit complicated. Not what I wanted on a cold night when I was already feeling a bit frazzled!
Is anyone else also prescribed Luveris? I am not quite sure why I have all 3. The nurse said it was to improve egg quality but if it were just that then presumably everyone would have it.
Side effects have been pretty mild so far, just a bit of twinges and bloating in my abdomen. Second monitoring scan is tomorrow so I hope more follicles will have passed the 10mm stage.
caip I just stick the needle in as far as it will go. Then i'm sure it's gone deep enough and also makes it harder to pull it out at an angle or (god forbid) break it off.
Weird, fairy. Maybe it's just a preference at your clinic, rather than anything to do with you? Good luck for Monday.
Just had the phonecall from the drug company to arrange delivery.
Also, thanks for introducing me to the worry that the needle will break off!
Sorry Fairy no experience here.
northey - the needle definitely won't break off. That is just my imagination running away with me!
valinna would iron supplements make any difference to the lining? I see a lot of references to baby aspirin on the net so maybe that's pretty benign. Good luck in any event.
Injection #1 done! Took a while to do but didn't hurt much at all
Well if you're sure, fairy. <suspicious>
Hurrah! Can you bear to tell us (well, me) all about it, caip? To help me prepare myself...
It was fine northey. I had the menopur booklet in front of me and just went through it step by step. Once you've got the small needle on and have the liquid in the syringe, you're meant to push it a bit until you see a drop then do the injection, but quite a few drops squirted out. Oops! It took me a while to do it but it only hurt a tiny bit and not for long at all. I have to do 150 a day so 1 vial will last me 4 days.
They said no exercise, drink 2-3 litres of water a day and put the needle all the way in.
I have to go in on Wednesday morning for a scan and if the follicles look good egg collection could be as early as next Friday, or I'll have another scan and egg collection the following monday
Hi all, wow, lots going on!
fairy good work on those eggs by cd5!! Hope some of the others catch up by Monday. It goes fast enough nice you start, hey?
We have a consultation re our ivf on Sunday, hope to start late Feb. Well, of course I'm hoping either this or next month's iui will work, really.
caip well done on the injecting. I'm very lucky (in this instance, as it has many downsides!) in that my husband is a doctor, so his side of the deal is to do the sender injecting, and jiaj!!
vanilla after my lining was too thin for my first iui I took baby aspirin, vitamin e and l arginine. This was all self prescribed though, I didn't have another scan to see if it had worked, and didn't get pregnant. I think proper drugs are the way forward, so am sure your clinic are doing what they can. Good luck! What do you need to get to? Are the follies the right size already?
Wow it is all going on. Well done in all your progress that is all very exciting.
Scarlett we all worry too much, I'm glad you got the result you hoped for.
All the injection business sounds so complicated. I'm also hoping to start in feb. I've just had the letter and our 1st appt at the ACU is Monday for scans, consent forms etc. it will be day 9 in my cycle by then so depending on protocol I might even start end Jan.
Even though I haven't started with the drugs yet I can see how helpful it is to compare notes. There is so much to remember.
I decided to tell work that I am having some treatment at the hospital over the next few months and that I will need to be abit flexible work wise starting on Monday afternoon. My manager was really supportive and said I could do whatever I needed to do so that was a relief.
Good luck with all your scans and injecting. I think acupuncture can help lining. At least my practitioner tells me that that is what we are working on and my periods have been much easier since I started acu treatments.
Have a good day.
Hi all - woke up this morning with no snow on the ground but I have the belly of a snowman! Couldn't get on any of my trousers and so am wearing my most voluminous, warmest dress for work. I will at least look pregnant if nothing else by the time I go for EC on Mon or Tuesday...
Also have alarming amounts of cervical fluid - has anyone else experienced this? I freaked out thinking it was ovulation somehow making it past the Cetrotide but Google and the nurse reassured me that it is normal as it is due to estrogen levels rising. Thought I would mention it in case some of you have it and are similarly alarmed.
caip good luck with the cycle, I have found it easier than I expected.
Hope you all are enjoying 'snow days'.
It is reassuring to know that you have found it all easier than expected. I guess our imaginations can be quite active!
Well done for getting this far.
Have a good weekend.
Well my lining had improved by 0.1mm - so nothing really. I have been told to use patches now too. So get a script for them. Does any pharmacy in London/Surrey have them...nope so fingers cross they come in tomorrow. Even more annoying they prescribed patched they no longer make How can they not know that?!
It is an FET so don't have to worry about follicles...well, only that they continue to do bugger all
Hello y'awl. Do you mind if I pop back in? I'm going to be doing a FET next cycle, which should start towards the end of next week. I've done 2 ivf cycles, but this will be my first and only FET (we only have 1 frozen embryo, poor little bugger).
vanilla I was wondering what you have been told to do to improve the womb lining, other than meds? Is it just a case of stuffing down lots of protein?! I've not been given so much advice this time by the clinic, although I was told I could still have the odd glass of wine this time, wohoo
lush emoticon Good luck with the patches, which sound interesting...
I had torrents of cervical mucous fairy during my ivfs. I'd end up muttering and swearing whenever I went to the loo and discovered gushington central!
caip do you have to mix up the menapur? I used gonal f, which came in a pre filled pen, so was ver easy. We had to mix cetrotide, which we found bloody hard and ended up throwing one away
£30 down the pan
Re the stabbing, we were told to put the needle all the way in, but I can't see that it matters as long as the needle juice is going in. north the plastic tummy sounds amazing! Did you get to have a go at stabbing it?!
hi gin, yes have to mix the menopur. did my first cetrotide jab this morning and again managed to squirt some across the room trying to get rid of the air!
what do you have to do to get ready for fet?
vanilla hope the patches arrive and do the job
fairy thanks for the warning re fluid!
Hi Gin-not been told much by the clinic really. More what I've picked up on here. Lots of protein, drink milk. I am having acupuncture too but have done all along and all through my last IVF and PG. I am exercising quite a bit but no more than normal.
First patch on...forgot to mention I am allergic to plasters...it's a bit sore already. Oh well only 46 hours to go...(they change every two days)
Snort of laughter at gushington central, gin. Good luck for your FET.
Pops in waves at gin and norf. It's looking like ivf only in summer, so in the meantime I am keeping up (mild, it is so cold out) exercise, and drinking in moderation to be fighting fit.
You are managing better than me then, lem. I am eating like a horse, including lots of rubbish, and quaffing more coffee than normal! Bah. I'm hoping that fitness in the cycle itself is what counts most <delusional>
I am sure your fitness in cycle is what it all comes too. And as I have said to you before, your egglets are not the issue, it is the tubes. So don't worry too much. I feel confident that bypassing them will be just what is needed for you.
Also my (slight) virtuousness will get a good knock, when droid arrives next week. We're away for the weekend after, and I have had definitely less alcohol and less coffee in January, but as we're not doing anything AC-like in Feb, I'll be happy to drink like a fish and sit in cafés not nursing my one coffee but having many
just a quick one...i've seen on some of your posts about not exercising when you are injecting. I start buserelin injections tomorrow - should I not exercise?
seems strange if you want to keep as fit as possible, but just wanted to get your thoughts. I usually do some interval training and weights 2-3 times a week.
thanks hope you are having a good sunday...its our anniversary so going out for lunch and a cheeky glass of vino, i'm trying to keep my life as normal as possible as well as fingers crossed at all opportunities!
oh and BTW....down reg this week has not been too bad, I've had a major craving for chocolate as if i was going to come on, have quite a windy tummy...if you know what I mean
is this the calm before the storm i wonder?
HontyTont, our consultant told me not to do my two weekly classes. whilst I was injecting (Gonal F & Cetrotide). He said once things start to develop and the tummy starts to get bloated it would be best not to do anything high impact. Although walking would be fine.
Perhaps it depends on the type of exercise and the intensity of it?
To be honest though I didn't feel much like jumping around and being energetic whilst injecting - although I think I was pretty lucky and got off lightly with side effects whilst injecting the bloated belly was enough to keep me from the gym!!! Anyway I'm not sure my workout gear would have fitted!!!!!
Hope you had a lovely Anniversary lunch!
I've not been around much recently, been enjoying the snow with DH. Got my lining scan tomorrow, really hoping its the right thickness and looking good. Also now stressing about how travel to the clinic abroad because of all the snow - hopefully our flight won't be cancelled. Although we've not even booked it yet...!
Hi everyone, been lurking a bit and am starting my 5th cycle of ICSI/IVF in 3 weeks time. Just to answer HontyTont about the exercise, once you are on the ovarian stimulating drugs you probably do want to take the exercise right down. Things like walking and swimming are mostly fine, but you just need to check in with yourself to see how you feel. If you feel bloated in the tummy, or tender or anything like that, probably best to avoid weight training or anything strenuous. I'm a big exerciser and for fresh cycles I do avoid it - for frozen cycles without ovarian stimulation (so down-regging only) I can carry on as normal. HTH.
Does everyone know about vitamin D, by the way? Lots of us are deficient in it (due to northerly latitude - you make it via UV on your skin) and in studies where they adjusted for everything else (age, IVF, etc) showed that if you were low, you had a higher chance of not keeping the pregnancy. I've just sent off for a blood test from this NHS lab www.vitamindtest.org.uk/- it costs £25. Some GPs or your clinic might do it, but mine didn't so I'm hoping than knowing (and upping if necessary) my levels will help. For me it's about controlling as many of the variables as possible, so you always know you've done all you can.
Afternoon all. I'm on CD6 of my first natural cycle. Had a scan this morning and everything looks good. I have about 4 follies growing on each ovary at the moment. They are slightly bigger on the right and the blood flow is better there, so the ultrasound guy thought I would ovulate from the right. That is what I expect too (I can feel ov and it was left side last month). Next scan is on Thursday. I feel quite level headed about it at the moment. Not sure how long that will last though!
Thank you adakate & pollykitten
Your advice has been great! I also spoke to my nurse today and she said be sensible and take it easy....so I guess I will have to do just that!
She also told me to stop taking my cod liver oil....anyone else had that advice?
I do need to start taking my multivitamins though
Hope anyone that had scans today had good results
Honky I think the cod liver thing is because too much vitamin A can be toxic to the foetus.
Polly I've been taking a conception vitamin that contains vitamin D, hopefully my levels of everything are fine. I know what you mean about wanting to control all variables though. Good luck for your next cycle!
Scan today all good - transfer now pencilled in for the 25th. Eek. So flying to Spain on the 24th and back on the 26th, DH booking the flights as I type.
All a bit scary and real now, although I still don't quite believe I'll end up pregnant. Test date all going well will be 8th February.
Work wise they don't have a clue what's going on. I'm going to call in sick on Thursday/Friday, and then hopefully see the doctor to get signed off for the 2WW on the following Monday. Feel a bit guilty, but for once I am going to focus on myself rather than my job.
delilah GOOD LUCK!!!!!
Totally thinking positive thoughts for you
Ohhh - fingers crossed Delilah, fab news!
I had spotting over the weekend, which really shouldn't happen on Progynova and Estraderm so my cycle has been cancelled. I now have Provera to take for a week to have a period. Then we start again. Straight to patches only this time. Feeling a bit, meh TBH. I sort of expected it but now I have to get psyched up all over again.
delilah just to mention that although it's great that your multi has vitamind D in it, it wouldn't be in enough quantity to put a deficiency right - it would be fine if your levels were good - a kind of maintenance dose - but not to up low levels, IYSWIM? I'll let you know how I get on with my blood test, because I don't wear sunblock and had two weeks of very strong sun this year too. Good luck to everyone and statistically, at least, there will be some congratulations due shortly! [big grin]
And good luck delilah - work can definitely wait!!
It looks like my 2ww after IVF is a busy one. The other senior person in my team is going to be off then (she knew I would be having day surgery but not what for, and the timing really can't be helped). Not ideal at all though as I was hoping for a relatively stress-free 2ww. Meh.
I think being mentally busy in the 2WW isn't that bad - it stops you mentalling about symptoms. Just take it as easy as you can, think about what you had to do/pay to get to that 2WW and how much it matters, work can take a back step!
Flights all booked, I know exactly when I have to start using pessaries etc. Transfer us planner for 11-30am Spanish time. I have to be there at 11.15 with a full bladder.
Now feeling stressed about calling in sick to work for this, and frantically trying to clear my desk as much as possible. Guilt.
Did you make the call ok, delilah? Have a nice flight, and GOOD LUCK!
Am waiting at home for drug delivery this morning.
Hi, I've been lurking on and off for a couple of weeks. The Gonapeptyl and Progynova have given me some nasty side effects put me out of action at times. I've got my lining scan tomorrow and feel really rough, partly due to a heavy cold but mostly treatment I think.
I'd be very grateful for some advice about exercise. I felt so ill with migraines after the injection that I missed quite a few of my morning exercise sessions and I'm really not sure whether I should be trying to force myself whenever possible or whether it is actually a bad idea to do that (I'm having DE IVF).
I'm starting from overweight trying to build up stamina and fitness but already very strong from work which involves a lot of lifting. I'd been doing half an hour a day alternating between a cross trainer and strength training but I've only managed a couple of sessions in the last week.
Good luck everyone, sorry not to name check xx
Good luck delilah!
I had my second scan this morning. Having thought at my first scan that the right ovary would be the one to produce the dominant follicle (bigger follies and better blood flow) it is a follie on the left that has now taken the lead at 13mm. I have another scan on Saturday, and probably EC Tues/Weds next week.
On my phone in hotel so will keep this short. Off to clinic for ET soon. Veering between confident and terrified. I've a horrid cold too, sore throat, headache, aches and am really hoping that it doesn't have a negative effect. Have taken paracetamol on the clinics advise. Why do these things happen at the worst time?
Anyway, with a bit of luck next time I post I will be PUPO. FX.
I now have two beautiful 4 cell top quality embryos on board. We even got to see them on a monitor pre-transfer. And we also have another 2 top quality embryos frozen.
Very easy and stress-free transfer, other than the super full bladder. Think I gave the next couple something to smile at when I announced my relief at my toilet visit.
Now the dreaded 2WW begins.
Yay delilah great news x
great news Delilah fingers crossed
I'm booked in for egg collection in Monday. my scan yesterday showed about 19 follies, at least 6 of which were 18mm or over. Feeling a but tender now but got a lazy weekend planned
hope everyone else is ok
Great news Delilah!
I had another scan this morning. My follie is now at 17mm on its longest side and growing well. I am booked in for another scan on Monday, and EC is looking likely for Wednesday.
I am dreading the full bladder part! The best thing about dildo cam scans is the empty bladder.
Hi - I've been offline for a while but that's because I had egg collection and embryo transfer and have been a bit overwhelmed by it all.
delilah - so happy your transfer went well, good luck with the 2ww!
isabellar my clinic's advice is not to undertake any strenuous exercise during stimming or the 2ww but I suppose its up to you as to what will make you feel better. Certainly if you were conceiving naturally you would just do what you wanted as you wouldn't be aware it was going on.
caip and euro - good luck at EC. You only have a full bladder for embryo transfer, not EC. I did the EC under local anaesthetic (they give you painkillers and pethidine so you are quite relaxed) and it was all right although not something I would want to do regularly, a bit poky and proddy. Although by then the hormones were making me feel awful and I was really bloated so I was relieved to get them out to be honest.
Although I had 17 follies over 14 mm they only got 7 eggs, so I was initially disappointed the retrieval rate was so low but I have today had 2 "top quality" blastocysts put back so it all went well overall.
It wasn't as debilitating as I anticipated so I just took the day of EC and two days after off work (and was able to work from home because I was ok mentally as of the afternoon of EC), although I have been working shorter hours than normal. The next day after EC I rang and the nurse said that 4 had fertilised so I would have a day 2 transfer. The clinic has a guideline that unless you have 5 fertilised eggs they do day 2, not day 3 or day 5 (i.e. blastocyst). But the doctor who did EC said that if I was keen on blastocyst transfer and had 4 fertilised to discuss it with the embryologist. I did really prefer a blastocyst transfer because the success rates are quite a bit higher than day 2 or 3 because by then they can tell which embryos are most likely to implant as the others have often stopped developing. However, if you only have one or two then it's not worth it because you won't have a choice anyway and you might as well have them back in you.
So I then on day 2 and day 3 talked with the embryologists and they were really helpful and encouraging and since all 4 were developing at the same good rate they said I should go for blastocyst, although there was a small risk that none would make blastocyst and I would have none to transfer. That is how I ended up with the 2 transferred today, the other 2 were a bit further behind but I am hoping they will be frozen.
I'm only bringing this up because some of you may not realise that if you do have a concern like i did to just discuss it with the embryologists and they should be happy to help as it is your body and your embryos after all!
ET was very straightforward compared to EC, I think in part because you are off the hormones for a few days by then and feel more like your normal self. It was actually a very odd experience to have a stranger bring in a syringe with your 'potential children' in it and then have someone else put them in but also strangely touching. I definitely did not have a really full bladder because I can't bear that but it seemed to be fine. I read somewhere to go to the loo about 30 min before you have the ET and then have one or two big glasses of water and that should be good enough.
Now the 2ww of all 2ww starts! Luckily I have season 5 of Mad Men on DVD to get me through...and I'm planning to be at work full time and be quite busy to stop my brain from whirring.
Good luck to all of you.
PS euro - dildo cam scans? good thing I only read that after I have had my last one otherwise I would be sniggering through it!
Right, I'm back and installed on the sofa, DH is lighting the fire, and I have some non-alcoholic ginger wine to sip. World Without End to watch later as well.
valinna sorry to hear about your cancelled cycle. How's the Provera going? Hopefully you will have better luck next month and then a lovely November baby - tiny cuddles at Christmas.
Polly I must admit having looked into it I am a little concerned about Vit D. But then again I have been taking a daily supplement for 7 years now, so hopefully my levels of everything is OK. When do you get the results from your blood test?
Euro and caip Good luck for EC on Monday/Wednesday, I'll be thinking of you both. FX for a bumper crop of quality eggs - you'll soon be joining me on the 2WW.
Northey did your drugs turn up OK? It's always more real when they arrive.
Isabeller My clinic is very much of the thought that you continue as normal, but avoid raising your heart rate too much. So I am walking every day, will be swimming from next week (3dpt), but have put my shred DVD to one side for now. I think all you can do is listen to your body. How did your lining scan go? And do you have a rough date for transfer yet?
fairy We can mental together on the 2WW. When are you testing? My clinic gave me a date of the 8th Feb, but I had a 3 day transfer on 25th, so might break and test a couple of days earlier. I'm already convinced I am having cramps, but I guess its more likely to be trauma/bruising to my cervix from the transfer.
I hope anyone I've not mentioned is doing OK, update up on how you are getting on!
Anyway, travel back to the UK today was remarkably smooth, no delays or problems. Drugs wise I'm on pessaries 3xdaily now until test date, estrogen patches, and hopefully both until 70days post transfer if/when I get my BFP. No symptoms yet except a few stabbing pains and sore boobs - caused my transfer and the drugs I think.
My GP has said he would sign me off, but I'm considering going into work as I would just stress out at home. Far better to be busy.
Thank you for the exercise advice it is really appreciated.
fairy, great news with your blasts and delilah, crossing my fingers for you both (and everyone of course).
My lining scan was good, 8.7, so no need to rescan on Monday. We got the news yesterday that our egg sharer is doing well and EC will be on Tuesday. If all goes to plan ET Friday or Sunday if blasts. I imagine it's unlikely we'll get enough embryos to go to blast stage but who knows.
It is very exciting and scary and I'm finding it almost impossible to concentrate on anything else. I'm feeling much better apart from a very heavy cold but my energy levels are tiny.
It's a silly hour to be awake but nice to drop in and read everyones progress
Well done delilah and fairy. My fingers are crossed for you both.
And good luck to this week's egg collectors (whether their own or someone else's!).
Drugs are here and waiting. Based on last cycle, my next period should start next weekend, so will start injecting then. If not, I have provera to induce a bleed.
Just popping in to say congratulations and well done to delilah and fairy with their precious cargo aboard. Fx that the 2WW passes really quickly without too much mentalling.
Also good luck with the egg collections Euro and Isabeller and embie transfers after that.
I am still playing the waiting game, trying to get my cycle regulated with HRT ready to coordinate with the donor. But on the plus side this means I won't have to down reg if they manage to sort it out. Looks like it will be Easter time for things to be happening for me. I keep telling myself it will be worth the wait.
delilah my testing date is 5 Feb (day 15 after EC). I have to go into the clinic for a blood test. I am not sure if they can give me the results before I leave or if I have to wait for a phone call. I'd prefer the former (and would wait around if necessary) because otherwise my only option will be to go home and pace around the house frantically until they call. I certainly couldn't go into work or go shopping! I think I'd prefer to be told in a clinical setting anyway rather than at home.
Feel a bit bloated from the progesterone and am having a bit of cramping but according to Google that is normal.
I'm getting slight bloating and slight cramping too. I veer between convinced it won't work to desperately hoping it will. I'm still unsure about work tomorrow, I could get a doctors appointment and a sick note but then I have the not being at work guilt/more time to mental. But if I don't take it easy and then this doesn't work out I will be gutted. It's just so hard. What do you do? Are you back at work for the full 2WW?
Good luck for your test date!
delilah I'm definitely going into work and trying to be as busy as possible. Otherwise I will just spend every moment sliding from the 'it must have worked! what names should I give them!' peak to the "it hasn't worked! How can I cope with the devastation!" trough, with rumination at every point in between. But then I like my job and find it quite absorbing and have friends there who don't know about the IVF so I am lucky. Also I have constant deadlines and missing them is not an option. I really think that going to work, unless you have a very physically demanding job, won't harm your chances at all. No babies would be born otherwise! Think of peasant women toiling in the fields until they drop another one.
sweetie, northey and isabeller - hope it all comes together sooner rather than later. I think the waiting to start IVF once you've committed to it is a lot worse than actually doing it.
Just been catching up with you all....looks to have been a busy week!
deliah and fairy I've got everything crossed for you both!
Euro and Caip good luck for EC this week too
Isabellar i had the whole exercise or not to exercise debate this week, I'm just waiting for my period after down reg. I decided to carry on until I start with the stims. I have a personal trainer so its pretty high intensity, but I told him my situation and he has dropped it down a few notches i.e. cross trainer warm up instead of HIIT. I feel fine at the moment and not really bloated so thought as it usually keeps me sane it wouldn't hurt now. Once I start stims I will stop with the PT i think and see how I feel. I guess its different for everyone depending on how used to training you are and how you feel on the day.
i've managed OK so far with the injections but I'm not looking forward to the next stage. When I took Merional when we did IUI it didn't make me feel great. I have a whole goody bag of drugs and am not really sure what else i will be on, probably the progesterone tabs I guess.
Anyway with everything thats going on we are a sure for some good news soon...so good luck everyone, stay positive and as normal as mentally possible in these difficult times I'm taking it one day at a time....what else can we do when we cant see into the future
Fairy I found it much easier to be in work. It was lying a wake at night that used to kill me!
Hope everyone else is OK.
Finally taken my last Provera at lunchtime so now waiting to get my period - I guess Wednesday. Then back for a baseline scan and straight to patches.
Still don't know if I want to go through it. Can't get myself excited about it and then..
Have given up on acupuncture as it made no difference last time.
I had another scan this morning. It's been confirmed that EC will be Weds, as thought, and that I will trigger tonight. My follie is 21mm on its longest edge, so growing well. My lining is 11mm and "beautiful" so everything looks good. But I'm not getting excited because every time someone monitors me I keep being told everything is "excellent" and "perfect" but it never results in a bloody baby!
I have carried on exercising normally and am planning on going to the gym tonight. I will take it easier after EC though. I've been told completely opposite things by two clinics so far. One told me (in the context of IUI) not to do any exercise or lift anything and generally take it easy. The other (in the context of IVF) told me to carry on as before and just live normally. The current clinic hasn't doled out any advice so far, but whatever they say, I will just listen to my body and take it easy when I feel I need to but otherwise just carry on as normal.
As for work, I'm planning to take the whole of EC day off, and then on Thursday and Friday I will see how I am doing. I will take my laptop home so I can work from the sofa if I can't face the commute. Friday will probably be ET day, if we end up with something to transfer, so this week is a bit of a write-off, with appointments on three days! I think I'd go crazy if I took the whole of the 2ww off. I'm not good with boredom.
Hi Euro - I exercised as normal throughout IVF (and pregnancy and postpartum - less than a week) - just listened to my body and did what felt appropriate.
If it helps, I took EC day off, and worked from home the next day. TBH I felt completely fine by the afternoon (mine was done under sedation).
With ET I took the day off and went back the next day. This time I think I will go into work in the morning as I am not bothering with acupuncture. Waiting around for the call to see how they have defrosted would send me mad at home.
Bit of a traumatic day, cat to the vets, not the best classes at work, and a warning light went on in my car. On the plus side I'm getting quite a few positive feeling cramps, and have sausage chips and beans from the chippy for tea. Although that's possibly a negative as it's not that healthy.
vallinna I have never bothered with acupuncture. I think it's the relaxation/stress relief that's good for you, the placebo effect. I remember seeing a trial that compared actual acupuncture against needles being stuck in wherever, and there was no difference in outcomes. But then I'm fairly cynical about all alternative medicines. I think all you reall need to do is look after yourself.
Euro good luck for Wednesday, I've got my fingers crossed you get a bumper crop of eggs.
Caip - hoping things went well and looking forward to your update!
fairy Hope work went OK for you. I went in in the end, and was glad I did for distraction purposes. Better than spending the day googling 2WW symptons.
honty isabeller sweetie northey I hope things are all going well with you today?
If it makes you feel happy and relaxed, you should just trough it down, delilah.
I have sore nipples. Naturally I am dwelling on the possibility of a pre ivf ironic bfp.
Euro good luck for Wednesday. I stopped exercising on advice from my clinic, they said during injections not to do anything too energetic or anything which involved twisting etc
Delilah hope you enjoyed your tea!
egg collection went well today and they got 12. they had to increase the sedation drugs after they started as I could feel it and bloody hurt! feel ok now and much better than after the cyst aspiration. fingers crossed for good news tomorrow
PS - give yourselves a break on the PG symptom spotting....the drug you are all on will mimic pregnancy (either way) as they are artificially producing all the associated hormones. Another twisted side effect of IVF.
Thankyou for all the support our egg sharer produced a gigantic number of eggs and we will know tomorrow if any have fertilised (finger crossed).
Got my fingers crossed for you isabeller Remember you just need one.
I'm snuggled up in bed already, bit tired. Slight sore boobs, slight crampyness, both caused by the pessaries no doubt. A week tomorrow is the earliest I can test I think, with a week Friday OTD. Eek.
caip that's a great number of eggs! well done! The EC is the most painful part so it's all easier from there, esp as you won't be injecting so many hormones any more.
isabeller congrats! hope the little ones survive.
delilah I feel the same way, light but persistent cramping and sore breasts, also a bloated stomach. As of yesterday afternoon I have become obsessed with 'should I test?' 'should I test?' Even at work I'm only able to stop thinking about it for about 2 min at a time. It doesn't help that my office partner has been away so there is no one to look over my shoulder and stop me from Googling endlessly.
I have been listening to a Zita West relaxation podcast every night, which I have found really helpful to relax before bed (in lieu of a glass of wine, sigh). She has 3 different meditations, for pre-transfer, post-transfer and 2ww. There is a bit of whistling and chiming but it's not too New Agey. The focus is on a positive mental attitude, whihc I find really helpful. You can get it on Itunes if anyone is interested.
7 fertilised! ET will be Thursday or Saturday. I am so bloated but not too sore. Am off work til middle of next week so all good
Great news isabeller!
fairy and delilah I've got my fingers crossed for you
Hooray Caipi! Will I get any sleep tonight I wonder...
4 eggs fertilised and transfer booked for Friday but Sunday still a faint possibility if all survive and thrive. Probably time to do some meditation and try to calm down
good luck all round, thinking of you Euro and will be thinking of you tomorrow Caipi
Huge congratulations caip and isabelller
We really needs some kind of congratulatory emoticon for times like this. I hope your ET goes well.
fairy I have that relaxation CD too! I listen to it every night, I'm not sure I believe in visualisation of orange light being helpful, but I think the lying down and de-stressing is. Work is a good distraction at the moment, I'm trying to take it easy there.
Anyway, major stress last night as I was an hour late with my pessary. Normally it goes in at 11, but I went to sleep early. Luckily I woke at midnight needing the loo so was able to put it in then.
More symptoms to chronicle, although I'm sure they are all caused by the drugs: broken sleep/getting up to wee. Hot sweatiness this morning. Boobs more sore. Still v slight crampyness. And I'm getting out of breath more easily. Logically I know these are down to the progesterone, but I still keep hoping.
euro got my fingers crossed for you today, I hope it all goes well.
<waves> to everyone else.
hooray Isabeller! glad to know we'll be going through the 2ww together
ps good luck today Euro
caip well done on 12 eggs and thanks for thinking of me! Good luck for ET! And the same to you isabeller
EC was fine (well I was mental - I hate hospitals and drugs) but the procedure itself went ok. They got my egg plus one other probably immature one. I'm not sure why they bothered with that, but you never know I guess. If there is anything to transfer, ET will be Friday.
Are you doing transfer tomorrow or Sat, caip?
I am spotting, and feel crampy, so I think period will start tomorrow, with injections therefore starting on Friday. Have just had a snotty sob into my pillow at the imminence of it all. It all feels overwhelming tonight, and I also feel very lonely.
A question - my partner and I live apart in the week, and once I start injecting I don't think I'll be able to go back to him on weekends, as what will I do about the refrigerated drugs? Do you think it would be ridiculous to phone the clinic and ask if I can take my injecting pen thing in a cool box with an ice pack?
Norfy, is there any advice on the leaflet with he drugs? I seem to remember that one of the drugs can be kept out of the fridge for a certain length of time if it is then used - you just can't keeping varying the temp. I can't remember which drug that was though as this is nearly a year ago now.
I haven't actually unpacked the drugs properly - i just hid the cold ones in the fridge and put the non-cold ones in the unopened box on top of the wardrobe and ignored it. Oh God, I'm so cowardly and stupid. And now my heart is gripped with a cold fear that I will open the box and it will turn out that I should have been doing something specific with the drugs in it.
northey how exciting that you're starting soon! The morning ones aren't in the fridge and once you mix the evening ones they don't need to be kept in the fridge so as long as you're not away for longer than the vial lasts you should be fine. Are you on 150 (don't know what the unit is!)? That's what I was on so the evening vial lasted me 4 days once mixed
They're phoning us in the morning to let us know if it'll be tomorrow or Saturday. I called them earlier as I'm so uncomfortably bloated and sore but they think it's ok and she reminded me that they dud just stick a needle in 19 follicles!
Glad it went well Euro
Delilah and fairy hope you're keeping sane. When will you test?
caip great great news on seven fertilised eggs! Hope they all keep growing over the next few days
euro I really hope your egg fertilises, when will it go back? I guess early as it's just the one?
northey there must be a way to transport drugs, a cool box or sth. I am in fact abroad for what will prob be cd1-3 of my sp cycle, so will have to take mine on a plane (and hide them from mil at the same time)
Iui no.2 failed, so I have this last natural iui then start short protocol next month. 3 weeks, eek!
This definitely looks like period. Have bravely got all my injecting notes out and am re-reading them.
Has clinic phoned, caip?
First post on this forum, or ever I think!
My test date is 6th of Feb, so very close to fairypangolin and delilahbelle. (I am going to find that Zita West Itunes thing!)
38 years old, first attempt at IVF (short protocol). I had my EC on Monday a week ago, 18 eggs collected, of which 9 fertilised. On Day Five (last Sat) I had 2 early stage blastocysts transferred. There were 3 blasts to chose from; the embryologist said that they were a little behind what we would expect to see (What the hell does that mean?!) Two got placed back. On Sunday she called us and said that No 3 wasnt good enough to be frozen. So no frosties. Which makes you think, wow, my eggs must be really old and wrinkly, harvesting 18 and ending up with 2 slow blastocysts. Anyway. It is what it is.
Boobs sore too. Ovaries feel the size of lemons, although the Big Bloat has gone down. Anyone any idea on when my ovaries/belly will feel normal again? TMI I am sure - but sex is err painful! Bless DH though, he's managing v well.
I'm impressed you've even having sex dildals!
Clinic phoned this morning and we still have all 7 eggs and all are 7 or 8 cells which is what they want
ET is booked for midday Saturday
Fab news caip!! How are you feeling? Fx you will have some to freeze too, for baby no. 2 of course...
Good luck didals, I too am impressed with the sex!
6dp2dt here, or 8dpo. The wish to test is growing. Luckily (?!) I have a long day at work so won't be able to buy any tests to use tomorrow.
Anyway, didals welcome. My clinic said no sex for the entire 2ww, and I didn't even have EC. Not sure how you do it, I don't think I could feel up for it if I tried.
caip huge congratulations, glad things are going well. Not long till ET.
northey have fun with the jabs. The thought is worse than the reality.
We've been invited out for drinks tommorrow to celebrate the end of dry January - anyone got a good excuse I can use to wiggle out of it?
Norfy you are doing better than me. I had to get my husband to hide the drugs box somewhere I wouldn't find it.
Well done for being brave. You are doing much better than i did with the drugs.
Didals that's good going! I think the pessaries will be enough to put me off for a good while yet. I had forgotten how vile they are.
Good luck to all those testing soon! Our egg fertilised and will go back tomorrow, all being well.
It was a fairly feeble attempt TBH, but I thought I'd give it a go! But yeah, not terribly successful.
I was reading on this (American) website that you should wait with sex and orgasms until the 7wk scan with fetal heartbeat. So THAT is where I have been going wrong all this time unsuccessfully TTC!!!
Just a quick one to euro as <in a non stalker ish way> I've been waiting to see if you fertilised so YAY
Citing news for caip too now it's actually booked it must feel so real!; sorry no more names am posting on phone in loo at work
I am your secret work loo posting twin, scarlett!
Brilliant news about the fertilisation, euro, really, really excellent. It must be amazing to be past that hurdle. Though this whole thing is just one hurdle after another in a neverending Grand National sort of way...
Have phoned to book in for this cycle, and am now waiting for a nurse to call to arrange ultrasounds. Who else was doing short protocol with Oxford? How quickly do they start scanning, and how often? I just can't remember what they told me.
northey it's me doing the short protocol at oxford. 1st scan is day 9 of your cycle so will be next Friday for you
Also posting surreptitiously at work...northey- I recall that the gonal f didn't have to be refrigerated once I started using it and neither did cetrotide or luveris. The ovitrelle trigger injection did but you only use that once before EC. So if you are on same drug regime you should have no probs travelling.
Dildals - nice to meet you. I read somewhere that most people end up with 1-4 embryos for ET no matter how many eggs they started with. Don't know why but my dr just kept saying quantity does not equal quality although to my mind if you have greater quantity the odds are better you will end up with some that are good quality.
Sex? Are you kidding? I've really been enjoying not having to DTD to be honest. Not that I don't like it but its the scheduling that us so demoralising.
Woo hoo euro!!!! 1/1 ain't bad!! I agree that is a huge hurdle, so great great news.
northey when's the first injection? Good luck x a million.
to your good news Caipi, our 4 are still hanging in there and ET booked for tomorrow.
Best of luck to all xx Is
Just a quick note as I'm just in from work and on my way to bed... I have bought my tests today. 19 of them. Oops.
Should keep me going for a while.
Nice shopping, delilah.
Experienced IVFers, can you tell me, is ET just like IUI but with a full bladder? I am just wondering what to expect. I've had a couple of IUIs and it seems to be it should be similar, just delivering an embryo rather than swimmers!
That seems logical to me too, euro. What time are they doing you tomorrow?
Sounds right to me too euro, but equally clueless. Good luck!
Having a wobble. Just had an appointment which dh couldn't make and I didn't ask the right things and will have to follow up with email questions
idiot. Also had minor panic in the waiting room about it all. Three weeks till my injections start.
I listened to the Zita West relaxation podcast last night but it made me more NON relaxed than anything!! You focus on your embryos etc, and I started thinking 'well, how do I know they're still in there!? and whether they are doing well?'. I started googling 'how quickly can i test' straight after! Not sure that's the effect Zita was after! ;-)
Testing early is not going to help of course, a positive can just be a positive from all the HCG still coursing through your body and a negative can mean that the embryos are not producing enough HCG yet.
Anyway - we battle on with the 2WW ...
All you 2ww detainees out there - I found this page to be quite reassuring: community.babycentre.co.uk/post/a20770595/the_2ww_and_early_testing
But I don't blame you for the purchases, delilah - i just know if I test early and it's negative i will be in despair and yet not really believe it so there's really no point in putting myself through the misery.
euro I've never had an IUI but the ET really is very simple and straightforward and painless compared to EC. And I even needed to have the catheter reset because according to the consultant, "the route through your cervix is tortuous". The things you learn...I always thought the problem we were having is DH's sperm were getting lost on their way to the Coliseum. Now I know.
dildals sorry about ZW not working for you, maybe try again? I have got so used to it now I relax right away and fall asleep, which is helpful I think. I agree with delilah though that the 'picture an orange light cascading ' bit is kind of weird. Why orange? is that supposed to be calming?
fairypangolin - that's a v useful link, thank you. And don't worry about ZW not working, I will keep at it, I did doze off until she does her 'you will now wake up refreshed and energetic' bit, RIGHT, let's go on google!
I like the idea of the orange light, I pretend it is nice and warm!
Hi fairy Thanks for that link. I've had a good read and stopped mentalling slightly. And DH is going to sit on the tests when they arrive until nearer OTD, no early testing for me.
Work has been a good distraction today with a couple of challenging students. I'm currently hiding in my car with my phone to get away from it all.
didals how's the 2WW for you today?
keeping don't worry about having to email questions, that's what they are there to help you with. If there's any that are not specific to you I'm sure we can help as well.
euro I've never had IUI so can't compare it to ET. But transfer itself is very painless and easy, unless you drink too much water and have a super full bladder like me. I'm guessing you are PUPO by now with a bit of luck.
isabelle hopefully you are PUPO to, how did if go?
northey caip and anyone else, any updates?
Hi all, I'm back with a 2 cell grade one embie on board. They kept us waiting for an hour, which was painful with a full bladder, but it's all over now.
It's basically exactly the same as IUI with an added scan.
It's not going too bad thank you. I am relatively relaxed under it all, adopting an 'whatever will be will be' approach. But of course I also check myself several times a day 'how do I feel?' 'is this pregnant, not pregnant' 'am I already assuming that it won't work' ' how quickly can I test' etc etc. And there is enough on the internet to drive yourself mad.
Are you sure you have enough tests though?! ;-)
1st tests arrived in post - but I'm not going to waste them by using them too early. Or possibly at all, I just feel like it's not worked, and I want to hold onto the dream a little longer.
delilah don't give up just yet! You don't know whether it has worked or not! I have been pregnant once before (which sadly MCed) but in those very first days you dont really feel much at all, so who knows!
Congrats Euro and fingers crossed!
I'm going in for ET tomorrow but at the moment am worrying that they might not do it as I think I have some degree of OHSS. Especially as down regging last time made me develop loads of cysts. I am ridiculously bloated and sore and look about 5 months pregnant. I'm struggling to fit in much food and am trying to drink loads but it's hard. I've called the clinic twice and they asked about weeing which is fine, also if I was short if breath, which I'm not although I keep thinking I'm maybe breathing more shallow than normal. They did say their preference is to always get the embies in unless you're really ill so we'll see. They would freeze them if they couldn't do it tomorrow.
I also just want to feel better as this is miserable
Well done euro!! I am loving the sound of this natural ivf! You only need one! I hope the next two weeks are not too mental.
caip I'm so sorry you're feeling so rubbish. I really hope they will go ahead tomorrow, but don't play it down (I think that's what I'd do, then fret it had lies chance etc.). I'm thinking of you today.
Not long for some of you now! Hang in there.
Thanks keep. The only downside I am seeing to natural is potentially needing multiple egg collections. I found that incredibly tough psychologically. Being strapped into stirrups whilst being put to sleep really distressed me and I keep getting flashbacks. But those are my issues and if you are fine with EC there really isn't a downside. It is a lot less all-consuming. I only really felt like I was doing IVF over 5 days (from trigger shot Monday to ET Friday). Before that it was just a few scans and by this point, those are nothing. Today I feel completely normal again. It is a huge contrast to the mess I got into with the drugs before.
I hope your ET went well Caip.
Delilah don't give up yet. It is still early days.
I have a tiny confession. Next lot of tests (FR) arrived whilst DH was out, and I couldn't stop myself POAS.
Yes I know, at 8dp2dt it's very early, but I just had to know.
Anyway, I got a BFP!!!!!! It came up straight away, no squinting, it's definitely a line.
Am in shock.
Aaaaaah that is amazing news!! Our first bfp. Congratulations!
Tell us your TTC story
That's fantastic delilahbelle!!!!! And you didn't have a trigger shot so it's a real one! See, and you thought it hadn't worked only a day ago! Now, cross legs and hold on to it!
Oh euro I'm sorry that bit was tough. Maybe the second time would be easier as you'd know what to expect. But hopefully you won't need lots. After all, you got a good embryo, so why would your chances now be less than regular ivf...
euro keep your chin up. You're PUPO now, and with any luck won't need to do it again because it will work.
I cautiously very happy, but also aware a lot can still go wrong. Going to be keeping fingers, legs, and everything else I can crossed didals
Yay! Wow that's Fab news
Here's to many many more!
Is this your first ever bfp? Am grinning for you
I've had 2 chemicals in the past one from IVF and one natural. I then had a laparoscopy after these and a hydrosalpinx removed, which was suspected of aborting the pregnancies by leaking nasty fluid. My other tube was also damaged, all from undiagnosed PID, although I've never had an STI.
Unfortunately by the time we went for IVF again my FSH levels had risen, and my AMH was low. I didn't respond well and only got one low quality embryo to transfer, and another chemical, then we had FET with embryos from our first cycle, but again only one low quality embryo survived the thaw. BFN that time.
I then went to ARCG and they treated me with Humira for raised cytokines, but by that stage my FSH was above 20, so it was game over for IVF with my own eggs.
So after a month lick our wounds me and DH decided we would pursue DE abroad, and here I am, a very early BFP from my first DE cycle, terrified of another chemical pregnancy, but also hopeful.
Bit of an essay that
Congrats Delilah fab news!
We've had 1 blastocyst transferred today and another 4 frozen. We discussed not doing it because of OHSS but decided to go for it and keep our fingers crossed I don't get worse. Will be testing on the 13th
Well done caip!
Delilah what a journey. Fx this one will stick now you've had issues sorted.
caip huge congratulations, got everything crossed for you.
keepitgoing I hope so. The consultant who did the laparoscopy and the IVF after that was lovely, and couldn't believe it had been missed before. She showed me before and after photos of my insides, and she did tidy it up a lot in there. Just a shame my ovaries gave up the ghost.
Still can't believe it, keep having to go stare at the pee-stick. DH is bemused at my behaviour, and also at the number of tests I still have to do.
delilahwonderful! That is such great news!
delilah what are you going to do with the tests you have left over?
That's brilliant news, delilah.
I'm actually in pretty good spirits. Quite relaxed at this point. What will be, will be. If I have to go through EC again, I will see if it can be done under local. I'm reasonably good with pain. I am not at all good with situations where I am not in control and being strapped into stirrups and knocked out is kind of the epitome of loss of control!
Caip I'll have my fingers crossed for you. It's great that you have so many frosties.
delilah I'm tempted but just too scared! I don't want to ruin the weekend. Also I only have one old cheap test in the house so I don't trust it to be reliable so early.
caip I had mild OHSS symptoms as well between EC and et (got hugely bloated and had a bit of trouble urinating) but it went away pretty quickly. I was terrified to say anything in case they cancelled the transfer but luckily it was fine before ET. Congrats!
euro congrats to you as well!
didals that's what DH wanted to know! I think I will be working my way through them whenever I need a lift.
euro glad you are feeling relaxed about EG happening again if it has to, hopefully it won't be needed though.
fairy I know how you feel, good luck whenever you do decide to test.
Still mostly symptom free, a bit crampy, sore boobs, but then I'm not expecting anything much to happen yet.
fairy hang in there, only couple more days before we can test ....
Good luck everyone I'm thinking of you (and have read up to date to delilah) although too tired to namecheck everyone
Our ET yesterday went well. After a chat with my GP I decided it was right to go ahead with SET, we have the hope of a frozen cycle if we are not lucky this time or perhaps even if we are.
I'm very tired and resting whenever I can, DP has been very good helping with the more physical side of looking after his Mum. It's made me realise how much I usually expect myself to do.
We are ET twins, isabeller. Good luck to you, and everyone else currently undergoing treatment.
I did my own first injection today (my partner did yesterday's). In a subtle 2 minute trip upstairs in the middle of having friends for dinner, no less!
ET yesterday sounds good, is! Do rest now. Fingers crossed for you.
Well done northey they're not too bad are they? Mind you, i had to do my last cetritide injection at a dinner party at a restaurant, which had only one toilet. At this point i was a pretty dab hand at it all so i thought i was pretty quick (although i was well aware of someone waiting outside). Turns out i have my super nosy annoying SIL outside 'are you ok, are you ok'. All you want to say is 'leave me alone!' But can't do that obviously. Really embarrasing having to return to a table of people looking at you as if you just passed out on the loos....
Today I have woken up again with no real symptoms. I'm trying to stay positive but it's hard, I'm terrified of another chemical pregnancy. Nothing to be done but wait though, I am focusing now on getting a BFP on Friday, the official test date. If/when I get that far I might think about booking a doctors appointment and viability scan.
Anyone thinking of testing early, don't. You just end up with a whole new load of worries.
delilah - please don't worry about not having real pregnancy symptoms! I had no symptoms of pregnancy when I was pregnant with DS until about week 6, apart from some very light cramping which I thought was AF and I didn't feel like drinking alcohol (but that is so subjective who knows?). I even started to worry that maybe I wasn't pregnant after all and then suddenly I was sick as a dog for 8 weeks! You must be only about day 23/24 on your cycle aren't you? too early IMHO although I know there are some women who feel they know they are pregnant almost from conception.
I know it's really hard but just try to concentrate on the good news. I made DH throw out the one crappy HPT I had just to stop me from testing today. Im actually starting to think those early HPT should be banned on the grounds of damaging women's mental health.
northey well done on the injection, esp in a public place.
I also found this link quite helpful for 2ww stress because it discusses a recent review of studies which found that stress had no impact on a woman's chances of conceiving successfully, so don't worry that your worrying is going to affect anything: http://www.iaac.ca/content/thimble-hope-surviving-dreaded-two-week-wait-judith-daniluk-phd-and-emily-koert-ma-summer-20
Although I must admit that I am so stressed today DH is even doing DIY in an attempt to reassure me.
delilah The only thing that works for me is to try and keep busy to keep my mind of things. So step away from the internet, (I think half of the internet should be banned on grounds of damaging women's health!) and go for a walk, get your bike out, go to the movies with DH, clean the windows/kitchen cupboards/dog, do your nails, go shopping or bake a cake! Tomorrow there's work to keep you occupied, Friday will be there before you know it. Not that that will bring any relief, because then the 2WW will just be replaced by the next deadline ... my house has never looked so clean .... ;-) (I was not kidding about that window cleaning suggestion!)
And I can't help but thinking ... a huge glass of chilled white wine would be so incredibly helpful right now! ;-)
Hang in there!
Oh, and can I just say one more thing, no one has mentioned it, so assume I am the only one, but SERIOUSLY these progesterone pessaries are giving me TERRIBLE WIND! I can't be in a social environment for longer than 20 minutes, it is not good. I am giving DH a run for his money on the flatulence front whereas normally he wins that contest hands down. ;-) OK, got it off my chest, I will shut up now!
didals I so agree with you on the wind front! DH thinks its hilarious. Luckily at work I just blame the kids.
Had to go back to bed for an hour for a nap as I was so tired, so I'm assuming that's today's symptom. Even though its probably all down to the pessaries.
Will be watching and waiting with baited breath for yours and fairy's results over the next few days.
GRRRRR.....just spent the last half hour writing to you all and it has disappeared!
I really could cry... i guess that will teach me to save up all my comments for once and week and post them!
I cant name check you all again....but just to say deliah what fab news for you! I hope friday brings you the big positive that you wish for
fairy and didals hope you also get the result you wish for...everything crossed for you
To all for you that have had ET this week hope you are resting taking it easy and thinking positive things...and not mentalling too much!
northey well done for getting through the first injections, its gets easier, I'm now doing 2 every evening and its not really phasing me. My DH had tears in his eyes last night as he watched me do both my injections last night for the first time, bless him, I guess i forgot how this is an emotional journey for them all too.
So, I had my baseline scan on friday and got my schedule for the next 2 weeks. I am on 225 merional at 8pm every evening as well as 0.2 of the buserelin. EC is going to be around 15th Feb...arrrggghhhh!!! I am scared to say the least!
Quick question (well 2 actually)
1. weight gain - is it bad? i'm going to carryon with light treadmill walks and cross trainer as long as I feel OK, but thats not anything close to the weights, personal training and HITT I've been doing, its good to see a couple of you kept exercising. I have booked a long weekend in New York at the end of Feb for DH 40th and want to look my best (ET would have been approx a week before we fly out). I don't mind being pregnant and fat just not fat!
2. kind of linked to the above, but is the bloating very bad? is it noticeable to other people and do your normal clothes fit?
sorry i know its basic but i don't know who else to ask! and i guess i want to be prepared for what s about to happen to my body
good luck this week everyone xxx
oh yes and Dildals I'm finding i have bad wind from the merional....ifs its bad now god knows what it will be like when I start on the pessaries!
I am also sweating like a trooper at night....I wake up totally drenched as if I had a shower!
Ooh, honty, I am expecting EC around 15 Feb as well!
No idea yet about bloating and weight gain. I guess we'll find out together.
Tomorrow morning is my first go with cetrotide. I have forgotten how to do the powder mixing thing
hontytont i didn't stop exercising, my clinic didn't tell me to. Towards the end of the injections i did stop running, simply because i was too uncomfortable, it felt like i was permanently carrying two full bladders! After EC i was still uncomfortable for quite some time, so i took it easy. I still cycled to work every day and swam FC 3 times a week (apart for days after EC to ET and after for a bit.) I gained 2 kgs which was pure bloat, it's gone now, a week after ET. I definitely felt uncomfortable in my tight jeans, but they did still fit. So in NY you will fit back in your nice jeans but you'll be farting all through the dinner!
I'm ridiculously bloated but my follicles filled with liquid after EC. Currently look about 5 months pregnant and no idea what I'm going to wear or how I will hide it when I go back to work!
Re exercise, I was told not to do anything too energetic whilst injecting and nothing with any twisting (I do ballet). I've been told not to swim or have a bath for 2 weeks after ET dildals due to increased risk of infection
Glad the injections are going ok northey
caip it's weird isn't it, how each clinic (i went to Guy's) has different guidelines. I can understand ballet because of risk of ovarian torsion. To be fair i bet you dont feel like exercise with ovaries the size of oranges!
I just about managed a trip to the supermarket today, that was plenty!
First cetrotide done. The mixing bit was ok, but I kept getting a massive air bubble in the syringe whenever I upended it to inject, despite all my patient flicking. In the end I did it anyway, but stopped a bit short <panics>
That sounds fine northey Hopefully the drugs are starting to do their stuff.
POAS again today, a reassuringly quick appearing and dark line.
Well done north!
Good stuff Delilah; one day at a time...
caip that's bad about swimming, I live in se asia right now and it's HOT! Did you get frosties in the end?
I'm fretting as I had an antral follicle scan on cd5 and had only four follies on each side, which Dr Google tells me is low, though the 'real' doctor said it was fine. Does anyone know? Dh just says there's nothing we can do about it so to stop fretting.
Good luck fairy and dildals testing soon.
Sounding good, delilah!
keepitgoing, a pal from another thread had four follicles, two eggs, one embryo and a bfp. "It only takes one" was the mantra she stuck to.
I like it!!
It only takes one
It only takes one
northey just push the plunger in a little so the air comes out and stop when you see the fluid come out. The nurse told me that even if you inject a bit of air it is not going to harm you. Well done on the cetritide, they're the worst of the injections.
hi all - woke up this morning with cramping just like AF is coming and it's the right day for it (cd 27). I'm absolutely terrified.
delilah great news - i see from your history that you've been through an awful lot to get hear, bravo for being so brave!
northey I always got air bubbles with the Cetrotide, I think the syringe is pressurised so I would push the plunger down and then while I was trying to fill it up with the meds it would go up too fast and take in air as well. The nurse told me the worst that would happen would be i would get a tiny air bubble under my skin which would dissipate. So don't worry.
hontytont I felt too bloated and grumpy to run or do hot yoga (my two fave exercises) after about day 5 of injecting. Then after ET i haven't done either because my clinic has said I shouldn't do any high impact exercise or get overheated. I have probably put on a bit of weight and am still bloated from the progesterone but probably every woman is different. I think clinics also tell you this because they don't want you to do something like go for a run and then have a BFN because you then may blame yourself for it not working.
keep you may have more follicles that just aren't big enough to show on the scan yet. if your doctor isn't worried then you shouldn't be, especially as it is all so unpredictable.
God how stressful fairy, I really really hope AF stays away. When are you testing?
Thanks re the follies. I think I do need to calm the fuck down. Not even starting for three weeks!
last chance saloon iui
keep if it helps, even natural (where you only ever get one!) has its successes. It really does only take one.
Re: exercise, my previous clinic where I was doing conventional IVF advised to carry on life as normal. The current place didn't give any advice before ET (but I wasn't on drugs then) and has advised getting overheated and avoiding swimming and hot baths (because of the infection risk) for a few days. I skipped my run this weekend but plan to head to the gym this week.
Af like cramping seems to have gone away. The clinic has told me that if I come in for my blood test early and ask for it to be processed urgently so they may be able to have results ready in 45 min and we can wait there. So that sounds like the best bet, if I am in a clinical setting already they will be able to get the men in white coats over quickly.
fairy fx for you - are you going in today?!
keep when I had my hycosy the consultant saw 4-5 follies and said that was normal, since then I've been written off as barren by another consultant! So I think none of them know what they are talking about, I just let them talk so long as they are giving me the treatment I want When will you get your
primary source of hideous mentalling AMH result back?
euro when is otd again?
Hiya everyone else and well done with the stabbing.
The first morning me & OH did down reg last time it was a sunday, we were sat in bed surrounded by needles fixing up lol I felt like Amy & Blake
I'm CD8 of my last natural cycle - Acu on Day 2 and day 7 to help the little natural follies grow, then we are off for a very grown up weekend away this weekend with a 4* hotel for 3 nights which [oooooh what a coincidence] I seem to have booked across my ovulation weekend Necking pints of decaf latte to get my milk intake up lol!
I'll have everything crossed for you Fairy.
I don't know the OTD acronym but I am assuming the TD is Test Date. The clinic will do a blood test on 13 Feb. I'll probably start testing with some internet cheapies soon so I can make sure the Ovitrille is out of my system, so that I can do a real POAS maybe next weekend.
Good luck fairy!
Scarlett at none of them having a clue!! Hopefully amh will be back soon as I think they use that to determine dosage? I need my recommendation letter for the insurance co by the end of this week. Another thing to stress about/hassle them. I'm also cd8, iui prob on Friday. Good idea on the weekend away
I'm also drinking lots of milk, trying to eat four times a day to put on weight (d&v last week didn't help) and
little no booze.
Sorry yes, OTD is official test date
I knew it was too good to be true... more AF like cramps, and I am conviced a tinge of brown on wiping. So so scared that this is going to be another chemical pregnancy, but if it is I wouldn't be suprised
Clinic have said to double up the amount of pessaries I'm using, so I've shoved another up now, 3/4 an hour early, and will put the next up at the regular time of 2.45pm. Hoping this calms things down.
Am shaking and feel sick with fear.
Oh delilah I'm rubbish at comforting people, but have a big hand squeeze, I'm sure it will be fine [which seems a pointless vacuous statement sorry]
I do like your technical terminology btw I've shoved another up now beautiful x
Hi everyone, skiving a bit
Euro I think your ET was day 5, mine was day 3 so my OTD is 15th. I hope you're feeling ok, I'm pretty tired and finding it hard to concentrate on my OU essay!
Good luck delilah, thinking of you xx
Hi all, is there any space for a newbie?
We have a FET planned for the end of Feb, after a failed fresh cycle in October.
I have been in denial about it all up until now, but feel it is time to start facing the music again.
I truly hope that for all of you testing in the next few days that there are BFP's galore.
And for those stimming that you produce lots of fabulous eggs.
And for those who have had a BFN, I am sorry. It sucks, having been there several times before after failed IVF treatment, and a million times before when trying naturally - it is miserable.
Thanks Isabeler. My ET was a day 2 on Friday 1 Feb. I'm finding concentrating on work rather a challenge!
Welcome to the thread May.
delilah I hope you are doing ok.
Oh Delilah, I'm thinking of you too. Remember implantation bleeds and cramps do happen lots, in successful pregnancies.
Scarlett you've made me smile which is good.
Apparently the pessaries can caused pink/brown spotting due to irritation, there is nothing I can do but keep using them and keep hoping. With I had a fast forward button on my life. DH working away tonight too and I really want a hug
In this all day meeting today and at the end of it I was getting a bit bored & distracted so started reading the posts on the forum, on my phone. I read about fairys AF symptoms and delilahs spotting and promptly I started feeling cramps too & worrying about AF (the females mind is a wonderful thing). So cue worrying for the next hour or so about period coming up, figuring out my CD date (CD28 for me), etc etc
After an hour of fretting and fussing in this meeting I was busting for a wee
So I exited boring meeting, made bee line for my desk and dug out the PT I knew was hiding in there, smuggled it to the toilets without my colleagues noticing AND PEED ON THE STICK!
I couldnt help myself any longer people My OTD is Wednesday so it is not as if it is THAT long away. Anyway. And although the second line was faint, there was definitely a second line, which wasnt there before. The FR leaflet says that a faint line also counts in the HCG stakes so I think this could be good news? Naturally there are still ten thousand things that can go wrong and I will still ceremoniously pee on the Official Stick that Guys have provided me, but I am sincerely hoping to add to the success rates of 2013. Fingers, toes and legs firmly crossed.
Oh wow! That is great news Didals!
Huge congrats didals well done you!
I have had more pink/brown spotting and cramps. Feels very much like my last chemical did, as my boobs are also no longer sore. Going to go to doctors first thing tomorrow and get signed off if I can, more for mental health reasons than anything else. I wouldn't be any good at work that's for sure.
delilah I totally have everything crossed for you...get signed off, get stuck in with those pessaries and think happy beautiful baby thoughts.
didals wow! Amazing... and thanks for making me giggle...had a mental of image of me and DH sitting in soho house and me trumping away much to the disgust of the fellow dinners!
northey yay! Good to know someone else is at the same stage...we can compare notes! Well done on the 1st injection, don't worry too much about the bubbles injecting sub cutaneously is the safest/most idiot proof way of getting the drugs in there...can you imagine them trusting us crazed hormone overloaded baby crazy irrational bloated mentalling women with anything else let me know how you get on with bloating etc.
caip feeling for you...sounds painful...but it's all going to be worth it
may welcome and good luck
Thank you everyone else for all your exercising and weight/bloating advice. So far I'm feeling pretty good so might try the gym tomorrow
Night all xxxx
Well I had some REALLY painful cramps which turned out to be.... Indigestion. Not much more spotting after one gob of pinkish brown which was mainly pessary. Clinic said to insert the next lot of pessaries anally. Not a pleasant experience. The things we do.
Sounds like cautiously good news, then, delilah?
I don't know northey. All my previous symptoms (sore boobs, tiredness) have gone.
Going to GP in a bit to ask to be signed off and beg for a beta HCG test today and Thursday.
Also fairy hope things go well for you today. Got everything crossed!
dildals!! Yay!!! Well done, hope you're not stressing too much.
Delilah so so many people don't have symptoms at four weeks. Do the clinic not do a blood test?
Good luck fairy for today.
Hi may, I'll be starting at the same time as you, ivf. Great that you have frosties, how many will you put back?
Go honty and northey eggs. Grow!!
I reckon fairy was knocking on the door of the clinic first thing this morning! GOOD LUCK!!!!
keepitgoing my clinic is in spain, so all tests i have to arrange myself.
I'm in to the doctor at noon for a beta HCG test. Not holding much hope though, cramps are back, much more like AF, and more spotting.
It's the hope that's the worst, I had two days over the weekend of pure joy thinking I was pregnant, planning ahead to telling people, then back down to earth with a bump yesterday and today. We have two embryos frozen, but I'm not even sure whether I have the emotional strength to go through another 2ww and chemical pregnancy.
Hi all- well I went to the clinic this morning and after waiting around for an hour and a half the nurse took us into a little room with a solemn look on her face to say that the test was positive -BFP! I couldn't believe it and shouted oh my god are you sure? Then diss
OMG, fairy well done I've been waiting for your announcement all day!
Sorry- pressed wrong key- dissolved into buckets of tears. Have been lying in bed like a zombie almost ever since. I can't believe it's true, just praying to god it will stay put.
delilah I hope your trip to the clinic was reassuring. If not I hope my good news doesn't make you feel worse. It's a very emotional time, I can't think of anything more excruciating I've been through than the past 2 weeks. It's so so hard and you've been through a lot more.
dildals congratulations what fantastic news! You're brave to test at work, I wouldn't have been able to control myself either way in front of my colleagues. Hope you can relax and enjoy the moment.
delilah thank you! I was so prepared for failure I don't believe it!
fairy after loads of tears I am now very zen. What will be will be. There is nothing I can do anyway except wait for AF to arrive. Amazing you got your BFP though, when is your 1st scan booked for?
fairy hurrah for your BFP! This thread is doing pretty well.
Sorry for the absence. I've been stressing and hiding about the whole thing but I want to join in with the congrats about the BFPs for fairy and didals and Delilah my fingers are crossed for you. I really hope you got a good result.
Well done to all for getting this far. I've tried to catch up but I've lost track abit of all progress so apologies for no name checks.
I've been massively stressed about it all for past 2 weeks. Am due for AF then it's the count down til down reg at end of the month.
Who is starting end of feb? I think mine will be around the 28th. My First round of IVF.
Best wishes to all.
PFEW! I have been refreshing this link all day! CONGRATS fairy! I was a bit worried there!
I just had to know! I didn't even cry when I saw the result. I did give DH a call immediately. And we had a small glass of (non-alcoholic) prosecco when we got home to celebrate. I guess I am still on the fence, in the sense that yes, it is nice that I saw 2 lines, but what really counts is whether those 2 lines are still going to be there in 12 weeks time (minus the four we've already done). It's worth celebrating these steps too though. Next hurdle - 7 week scan. And of course my ceremonious weeing on the Official Stick tomorrow morning. Hopefully the lines are still there.
Last night when I got home, had my 'prosecco' and inserted the pessary I laid down on the sofa, legs up. DH: 'what are you doing?' Me: 'Well now that I know for sure that's something in there I want all the progesterone to stay in!' Frantically researching the net on any tips to make it to the next hurdle! (I woke up at five this morning ready for my daily google sesh)
Is there a Zita West podcast I can move on to now? Acupuncture (I am ready to throw money at anything now!), gaffer tape it shut?
Walk on my hands for the next 8 weeks?
Massive congrats Fairy! Congrats and fingers crossed for that additional BFP tomorrow Dildals! Also fingers crossed you for too Delilah, I really hope AF doesn't appear
Just popping in to say HUGE Congratulations to Fairy. That's just wonderful! Enjoy that BFP!!! So happy for you.
Also to Dildals.....Congrats.
And Delilah.....keep positive, keeping fx for you.
Keep up the good work everybody!!
Thanks all! Dildals - I'm trying not to immediately start obsessing about things going wrong. Most pregnancies are fine!
Good luck to you all!
Oh my goodness! Can't believe you all kept this thread going and they've been some bfps!!!
My DH was really sick over New Years so we didn't do ivf in jan, but I'm hoping we do later this month. Although I've been studying 'the baby making bible' (anyone doing it?) and it suggests being healthy for three months. I'm pretty unhealthy
Has anyone been using Maca or Bee Propolis?
Can I rejoin?
You started it, Karbea, so of course you can rejoin! Welcome back. It's nice to have a group of people going through the same process at the same time.
Mr Euro took maca for about 3 days. He is not good at keeping up the supplements.
I'm trying to keep things as normal as possible through the process, personally. I eat pretty healthily anyway and don't smoke. I have reduced the caffeine a bit (but not cut it out) and have drunk lightly throughout. I eased off the exercise around EC and ET but that's it (but I don't have a shedload of drugs in my system as I am doing natural). Throughout the time we have been trying, I have given up all sorts, including caffeine and alcohol completely, to no avail. So I decided to just be me for our cycle!
I am living normally as well. I've switched to decaf, and my alcohol consumption was very low anyway. I have been eating more sweets and choc than usual as work is pressured at the moment, and people are working long hours and fuelling up on sugar. I've also carried on riding and walking.
Like euro, I've made all sorts of changes in the past. I am focussing on avoiding mental stress this time.
I kept everything the same last time although DH andi were much better at giving up alcohol, I've cut back this time, but still have the odd splurge, DH is back to his very very bad old ways. I gave up work last summer so have no stress now, I dunno, it's probably our last try of ivf and part of me thinks I should give up/do everything I possibly can.
fairy I got caught out with getting too excited before week 12 before, hence my apprehension. But you're right of course, most pregnancies are fine, that's what i should focus on.
Congratulations fairy!! Brilliant, brilliant news.
I was wondering where you were karbea.
My dh has been taking macca for three months, among many other things. His latest sa was 10% normal morphology, whereas the previous three last year were 3-4%. This should mean if rather than icsi, which I'm happy about.
Sharon I'm starting the same time as you, but doing short protocol, so will be a couple of weeks ahead.
Well no more spotting overnight, and my Internet cheapie test is darker than yesterday. But maybe because my FMU was very concentrated. God only knows.
Keep veering between 'it's another chemical, all your symptoms have gone, don't get your hopes up' to hoping and praying there's still a sticky bean in there. I had 2 transferred after all, both beautiful and perfect.
Second blood test on Monday, then results 3-4 days after that. If AF doesn't arrive first.
didals how did wearing on the official test stick go this morning? Hopefully another strong positive.
Just to add, the only supplement I'm taking is a pregnancy vitamin, but I have also stopped drinking alcohol this year. Vaguely trying to eat more fruit and veg too, but that doesn't always work.
Welcome back Karbea.
I'm glad that there will be someone at the same time as me Keep. I'm sure there will be lots of questions. We are going for our new patient info evening tonight so after a couple of weeks of no action and lots of worrying and stressing from me there will be some activity for a short while.
Health Wise, no alcohol, caffeine Etc I've also just been put on a special elimination diet which is stressing me out. It's not for ivf I suffer from chronic urticaria (hives) which is not serious but is very very stressful. Anyway turns out I have loads of food intolerances including gluten, eggs and dairy along with 14 other things. Am now on a gluten dairy free regime and having to get protein from all sorts of imaginative sources (I'm also veggie). Hemp protein powder shake anyone?
Am nearly at work. Have a good day all.
keepit going what else is he taking? Where did you buy the maca?
I think I'm going to try a few diet changes, I'm rubbish at keeping to things tho.
sharon good to have found out about your intolerances, do you think that might have impacted your baby making?
delilah both DH and I woke up again super-early and after tossing and turning for a bit we just decided to get the stick out at the ungodly hour, it was technically morning after all. Another positive, although the second line is still faint. The instructions say that that doesn't matter though. This time it felt a lot more real, and was a bit of an emotional mess, not good if you are trying to cycle to work in London traffic. I am still really scared that something will go wrong. I called the nurse this morning and they will call me back sometime this week to make the appointment for an 8 week scan. I thought it would be a 7 week scan ... AN EXTRA WEEK OF WAITING ... Anyway. We'll just carry on as normal I guess. Hard to concentrate on work today, it all seems pretty insignificant.
One day at a time, Delilah. You're pregnant!
OK, so dh is a bit of a scientists, so went ott, and now we don't know which of these did it:
Coenzyme q 10
Horny goat weed
He rattles!! (BTW I have tried to rationalize..) These are a mixture of antioxidants, and things to increase blood flow to the area they work
karbea I take the pregnacare vitamin too, there is actual scientific evidence that that aids conception. I limited my alcohol intake to 5 units a week and then pretty much cut it out. I did implore with DH that it takes A LONG TIME for alcohol to clear itself from semen (something silly like 72 days). He attempted a dry January, but fell off the wagon on the fifth of Jan ... He's been trying to look up the word moderation ever since. I limited caffeine to 2 coffees a day and switched to rooibos tea (which has no caffeine). Now I have cut out caffeine altogether.
Well done again, dildals (what on earth does your name mean, btw?!).
My partner did actually manage a dry January. And he has promised that he is cutting down on caffeine. All his samples are really good though, so I don't feel I have many grounds to push him too hard. We know the problem is with me (double tubal failure and anovulation), so really I should focus on myself. Is a sausage sandwich good or bad from a TTC point of view, because I really fancy one. Protein, but processed. Hmmm. But mmmm
Go for the sausage sandwich Northey I have some in the fridge for lunch.
Congrats again didals , let us know the date for your 1st scan. And any symptoms you have!
Thanks for the support so far everyone else, it's been very much needed and appreciated.
I'm still off work today, but no long the sobbing quivering mess I was yesterday - might tell my boss I'll actually be in tomorrow, just because sitting at home endlessly googling early pregnancy shite gets rather dull. I will make the decision later today based on one of the 1001 knicker checks I am doing. Thankfully next week is 1/2 term so no work related guilt hanging over me.
delilah goog le is a bloody nightmare isn't it! I'm feeling tons better from the OHSS which is great but I'm now also worried that that means the IVF didn't work as I think the symptoms would have got worse not better. I'm off work until Monday and not testing until next Wednesday x
Too early, caip!
Oh I meant to say we bought the
millions of pills online, as we aren't in the uk at the moment. Think they're always cheaper online.
I don't think sausage sandwiches are ever wrong, north
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you caip This thread has a lucky feel about it Are you the next to test? I've not seen isabeller on her for a while, and I think she's on the 2WW too...
Currently doing some work paperwork. It's taking my mind off my symptoms, or rather lack of them. Nearly time for another knicker check. Pray no more spotting.
Quick read back - how could I have forgotten that Euro is in the 2WW too. Hows things going?
delilah I'm glad the knicker checking is going well!
I'm doing ok. Halfway through the wait now - a week post EC and a week pre OTD. Not feeling anything that makes me think this has worked. With my chem pregs I had symptoms v early. I'm finding it very difficult to focus on work, which is not surprising really.
Norf, I'm sure your decision has been made by now, but sausage=protein and that has to be a good thing!
Fingers xed for everyone else on the 2ww!
Northey errr the name doesn't mean anything ... I just had to pick something when I signed up!
delilah Scan is booked in for the 28th of Feb. No symptoms really. Sore boobs, flatulence I am happy to report is diminishing :-) , and thirsty. But at this point I don't think there are normally too many symptoms. And the pessaries are probably the culprit of most of those.
The sausage sandwich was very good indeed. I am certain that happy relaxation and plenty of water is the best thing really. And perhaps the odd additional handful of blueberries.
It's partly self-preservation, actually. If I kill myself with weird dietary and exercise restrictions and convince myself that I am doing it for a bfp, and then the bfp doesn't come... I was so depressed and awful after the second ectopic, it makes me place more weight than previously on managing my emotional health. So I SHALL be having a chocolate biscuit with my decaf coffee this afternoon
euro, if you feel symptoms for pregnancies that fail, I would say a lack of symptoms could reasonably indicate a pregnancy that wont fail... Obviously it could also indicate a non-pregnancy but don't write it all off just yet.
I too have just eaten my sausage sandwich Northey
didals three weeks tomorrow! Really not that long to wait. How many weeks/days will you be then? I have no scans booked yet, I need to arrange my own via a local clinic when I am confident about this pregnancy. Or you never know, the GP might refer me to the EPU, we shall see.
Euro I had no symptoms until 8dp2dt, and then only sore boobs and tiredness. Hopefully you'll get some symptoms son, or if not a lovely BFP anyway.
Anyway, still no further spotting, and boobs slightly sore. Possibly also slightly sicky feeling, although I could be imagining it.
My current theory is both implanted, then one didn't make it, causing a dramatic drop in symptoms. The spotting was the progesterone pessaries irritating my cervix, and the v painful cramps turned out to be indigestion in the end. Possibly caused by golden flaxseed I was eating, I've stopped that high fibre rubbish now. TMI but pessaries going up the tradesman's entrance are better than an enema for cleaning you out.
All I can do is take it a day at a time though.
That's what I was going to say to euro as well, northey. Those pregnancies didn't work, so you don't want one like that! Also I just don't understand how you could get symptoms so early. I mean, you def had an embryo put back this time, so surely that'd give you as many symptoms as poss at say 3dpo.
Also I think that's true about obsessing over eating making a bfn even worse.
I like that theory, delilah!
That thought had crossed my mind, keepit and norfy! Maybe it is a good sign. I'm just sceptical. Hopefully I will have to come on here and eat my words next week!
keep I've never understood how I could get symptoms so early. I can feel ovulation and I temp, so I know exaclty when I ovulate. And I have had nausea at 2dpo on two occasions! I don't understand biologically how it could happen as the embryo isn't even trying to attach at that point, but if you read symptom spotting threads, quite a few women say they know within days.
Norfy I feel the same. I really resented my months off caffeine and alcohol last year. I didn't feel like me. As we are in this for a three cycle haul, I think it is important to be kind to yourself and not become resentful of the process.
mentalling googling about two day trasfers a few days ago, I stumbled across this. The video halfway down the page is amazing.
I've been to holland and Barrett, I'm going to take my normal pregnacare, omega 3-6-9 with dha, royal jelly, maca, spirulina & chlorella.
And going to try and keep to the baby making bible. Anyone else doing it?
But euro thousands of other women are convinced they're pregnant each month and then aren't! Is it a case of proof after the event? I never have been, either convinced or pregnant, though, so what do I know...
Hi all - still some v light cramping today, but it comes and goes and could be my imagination at times because I am so nervous. Otherwise the progesterone bloating and flatulence has calmed down, I'm pleased to say! My breasts are more sore now and bigger - I am quite flat chested so any increase is very noticeable, or at least DH says.
Scan is booked for 25 Feb. Seems a really long time from now. How many times will I rush to the loo to 'check' between now and then?
caip and euro I had symptoms come and go through the 2ww, apparently your body can get used to the progesterone and the symptoms decrease accordingly but it has nothing to do with whether you're pregnant or not.
karbea I had been wondering what happened to the originator of the thread! Thanks for starting it, it's been really helpful.
keep i agree with you, I think that if you have fallen pregnant you tend to remember the symptoms you had then and forget all the times you had symptoms and weren't pregnant.
delilah I'm glad things are not over for you! I've been alternating 'front and back' for the progesterone because the doctor told me you can get irritation if you use the same each time day and night. It still is rather messy though and my clinic advises to keep using it until 77 dpo! That's the whole first trimester.
fairy I had been told that about symptoms vanishing. I really hope the spotting was implantation or irritation. My biggest fear is I've had a chemical pregnancy again, with 3 in my past it's always on my mind. And if I have maybe the pessaries are just keeping AF away.
I've got so stay on the pessaries until 70 days post official test date, thats 84dpo. Mad. I'm on estrogen patches for that long as well.
As for rushing to the loo - I think we are all going to be on knicker watch.
keep the symptoms I have each month even when I know I can't be pregnant sometimes suprise me, I think you just have to disregard them all in the early days. Though of course we don't.
karbea thanks for starting a useful thread. And OMG at all those supplements, you will rattle! Hopefully they'll make a difference though.
Euro my clinic did that watching the embryos develop thing! It's nice to read about what a positive difference it makes to outcomes.
Northey hope you enjoyed your biscuit. I had a lovely chocolate cookie this afternoon, but with water as we are out of milk for tea. And I'm too lazy to leave the house to buy some!
DH home tonight, he will be cooking dinner and generally looking after me.
Hi, waves at delilah, I am indeed in the 2ww and I've been able to lurk a little bit and got some really useful information about side effects - thanks fairy.
I've had a few symptoms probably caused by a cold or indigestion. I'm trying hard not to give too much headspace to obsessing and fortunately busy enough to be distracted lot of the time. I am very tired though and wish I could rest more.
I wish I could name check properly but hope you will accept some instead, good luck everyone xx Is
I am celebrating the end of a day with no spotting.
New symptoms for me - insomnia and what feels like a UTI. Needing to pee loads, constant ache (but not painful) in the bladder area. Off to doctors again tomorrow for antibiotics maybe. <sigh>
God, mixing injections really is the last thing I feel like at 5.45am.
When is your test date, isabeller?
Good luck with the pessaries, delilah. That's an awful lot to be shoving up
Tell me about it northey. Still, it they do the trick...
POAS again this morning, the line was very much darker, as dark as the control line. Some comfort there. I was woken by hideous painful cramping, which again turned out to be wind. This made me very happy, DH less so. <<<our faces.
I am almost starting to hope again, but until I get my results from the second beta-HCG I won't think I'm actually pregnant.
I am starting to get some tenderness around the ovary area. Nothing very much though. How soon did other people start to feel anything? I am on day 7 of stimms. First scan tomorrow.
I have sore stomach muscles now since Monday, at first I thought it was because of the swim session I did that day but it's still sore now! Also woke up last night with stomach cramps, not the AF variety though, thankfully. Not sure what's going on in there. Another random one to add to the list: toe cramp! Of course I googled all this but I think if I google 'green hair and early pregnancy' it will still come up with results. On the stomach muscles and cramps people were saying on the 'net that it's due to uterus expanding, but I can't imagine that they are big enough to actually make a difference in that respect. Unless maybe, it's TWINS! Really big ones! haha. Oh, and I am thirsty, dry mouth ... especially at night. OK, that's my moaning done for the day. How weird is it by the way that a group of strangers (that's you) know that I am pregnant, but that everyone else IRL will only get told after 12 weeks.
I am pleased to report some nausea this morning. Is it weird I'm hoping for the start of morning sickness?
didals this thread is a godsend. IRL I have told my two line managers, as I wanted them to know why I was off work, but other than that we are keeping it on the down low for a bit. I'm not sure we'll make 12 weeks though, maybe 8... I am hoping to have scans if the pregnancy continues at 6+2 and 8+2. I just need to book and pay for them! For those of you cycling in Oxford, the Beard Mill clinic near Stanton Harcourt does a huge variety of pregnancy scans, if you want more than the basic ones you get on the NHS.
Good luck girls, I wish you all the best. Here have a bunch!
OTD 15th Northey, only 8 days
Hope everyone is having a good day xx Is
delilah I was saying to DH last night I CAN'T WAIT for the morning sickness to start (because it is considered a good sign). He was slightly incredulous. I haven't told ANYONE at work, I'd rather die. It is easier with my job to disappear off though for a doctor's appointment. Two of my friends know and my mum of course.
God, I won't be telling my mum until 12 weeks. I love her, but I couldn't be doing with coping with her mentalling. This will be the first grandchild for my side of the family. She doesn't even have a clue we've had fertility treatment. My friends I am going to tell if I get as far as a successful viability scan.
MIL knows all about the treatment (thanks DH) and we are off down there to visit this weekend. She's been told not to raise the topic though, and she's easy to get on with and unpushy so I doubt she will.
Still having a few minor cramps, but they are not too AF like. Still worrying though.
How's everyone else today?
Had my parents down here for lunch today. They, and pretty much everyone else, know what we're doing but that's fine and how we chose to do it
Am feeling ok, sore boobs and knackered, but it could be the sticky toffee pudding making me sleepy
I kept it mostly a secret last time, and I think that added to the stress and the feeling what I was doing was wrong.
This time I've told most people tbh and it has totally normalised the whole thing.
We've told a few close friends and our close family. They all know we've been TTC for ages now so it seemed only natural to tell them we've taken this step. I feel like Scarlett in that if I kept it a secret it would feel more shameful to me, also if it didn't/doesn't work I would want the sympathy.
dildals my stomach muscles have been really pinging when I try to get up from bed or off the sofa. I think it must be something to do with the ligaments relaxing although it is very early for that I would have thought.
northey I started to feel bloating and grumpy around day 7 of stimming but maybe you will escape that. However - I still feel bloated and grumpy so maybe it's just me!
delilah yay for thick dark lines!
I've got a funny jump in the thread on the 6th of feb but I now realise that Delilah you got your BFP. That's amazing news. I understand your caution but I'm so pleased for you. For all of you. and fingers crossed for those on the 2Ww.
I wish that I was joining in. The waiting seems endless. We had the new patient info evening last night although as my boyfriend said they only told us what I already know. I've been reading about IVF for nearly a year I could probably have taken the talk!
AF due tomorrow then finally it will be the count down until down reg. I'm nervous, scared stiff in fact but keen to get going.
I've told no one at work, my mum and dad and brother and a couple of friends. My BF has only told his sister. He doesn't want to tell his mum. My mum has been great so far.
On the way home last night my boy said 'it's funny but I keep forgetting that not all babies are made this way'. Bless him, I don't forget that fact for a minute.
Have a lovely evening everyone. I'm off ballroom dancing. It is the highlight of my week.
Just back from the doctors - 1st beta was 212 Very healthy.
My GP wrote my a private prescription for all the pessaries I need, now to track down a pharmacy with them in stock... Oh an pay of course.
Feeling slightly more confident about this pregnancy now.
Fab news delilah! And excellent also about the pessaries - I know how much you are enjoying them
Northey I have heard them described as 'waxy arse bullets'
I have (hopefully!) another 8 weeks of shoving them where the sun doesn't shine. Oh joy.
I'll look forward to getting cracking on them too!
Great news delilah!
I do hate the fanny candles. They are just foul things.
Fanny candles? Arse bullets? Where exactly am I mean to shove these things?
A couple of weeks ago there was this spill in the news. They didn't know what it was, but birds were found covered in 'a white waxy substance'. I remember smiling and thinking 'probably a container of Cyclogest gone overboard'