Assisted Conceptions (and all the bits in-between) Volume 11

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vallinnapod Mon 03-Dec-12 20:30:15

I really hope I haven't missed someone else starting this!

vallinnapod Mon 03-Dec-12 20:32:02

Had a FET question too so I hope you find me soon!

Just wondered how long it was from having a bleed, progynova to ET? Last contraceptive pill today so am guessing I will have my bleed towards the end of the week. Assuming ET would be around day 14 of my 'cycle'?? Which worries me as it would be Christmas!

MiniH Tue 04-Dec-12 06:16:17

Yay, found you.

BadgerFace Tue 04-Dec-12 09:06:31

Found you too!

Sorry Vanilla can't help with your question but I'm sure that someone who can will be along soon...

wellerbabe Tue 04-Dec-12 11:23:09

Hey found you wink

I got BFP this morning. gringringrin

Actually tested positive since Sunday but too scared to believe it until OTD today!

Kind of in shock but looking forward to getting used to the idea. Told DS this morning and he is over the moon grin

vallinnapod Tue 04-Dec-12 13:16:57

Woooohhoooooo grin

CaipirinhasAllRound Tue 04-Dec-12 13:46:15

Congrats weller, fab news!

BadgerFace Tue 04-Dec-12 14:33:41

Hurray Weller what a lovely early Chrimbo present! And sneaky you testing since Sunday! grin

Pocket1 Tue 04-Dec-12 15:48:10

Hello ladies

Sorry I haven’t been on much – v busy last week then a bit of a scare over the weekend. Spotting Saturday/Sunday/Monday – went to clinic yesterday and scan showed LO is doing fine and measuring spot on - huge huge relief. Clinic not sure what caused bleed but one suggestion is that irregular timings of my progesterone jabs last week (due to a couple of evening work dos) may have meant progesterone levels were not consistent. So my advice to anyone taking progesterone (and indeed any meds) is 1. Stick to regular times and don’t falter, 2. If you are worried about anything, go get checked out.

Mo my love, hope you’re doing okay, you’ve been in my thoughts so much. Don’t beat yourself up about being off work or not progressing your list. I know myself from the weekend I’ve had, nothing is more important than ‘this’ so just give yourself some time. Could/would you get signed off till Jan? FWIW, you’re younger than me… wink

Badger you are lovely keeping an eye on us even though you’re so close to graduating.

Vanillapod sorry to hear about the constipation, I have prunes and dried apricots EVERY DAY with my breakfast. And try and drink plenty of water daily. I swear it helps. Cant help with your dates, as I’ve always been just terrible understanding my own…

Frosticle and Sasha wonderful news about your scans – seeing and hearing that little heartbeat is just mind-blowing isnt’ it.

Goldengirl Sorry about your BFN sad. I’ve had donor eggs and I believe that my cycles have cost more than regular IVF as you effectively pay for all of the donor’s meds/scans etc. So you could look into being an egg donor as it would definitely be cheaper. But I’ve never heard of embryo donation – I think you should check it out. Try calling a few clinics and see what they say. Good news about DPs vits and sensible underwear – shame about the smoking but hope you manage to persuade him to come round. Maybe he can give up for a bit and then start again afterwards… I was advised to cut out caffeine whilst ttc – and the mw said the same last week.

Mini great to hear that your little one is doing well. And hope you had fun in bonnie Scotland.

CaipirinhasAllRound so sorry your cycle has been postponed but great news about the funding. At least you can let your hair down a bit over Christmas now.

Weller that’s blbiscuitbiscuitdy brilliant! What wonderful news.

Waves and hello to Sunny, Bugsy, Hoops and anyone else I’ve missed.


MiniH Tue 04-Dec-12 18:22:36

Weller yay!!! So happy for you.

pocket what a horrible scare but so glad mini pocket is doing ok. Fx that is the end of any bleeding.


vallinnapod Tue 04-Dec-12 22:02:39

Pocket not sure if it is any comfort or not but I had bleeding on and off up to 9 weeks, including a horrible red scary one at 8.5 weeks. It was possibly one of the embryos miscarrying but was only ever identified as a shadow on the scan. A perfectly healthy DS arrived 7.5 months later. Didn't stop those first 3 feeling like the longest ever shock

Hoophopes Tue 04-Dec-12 22:10:46

weller congratulations smile - great news!

pocket glad all ok with you. I had bleeding at 22,23 and 25 weeks - no cause ever found, and all was ok. They said that sometimes they just don't know - and I was off most meds by this time.

Pocket1 Wed 05-Dec-12 07:26:24

Thanks for your kind words ladies. Vanilla and Hoops your stories are a comfort and I'm just so pleased all worked out okay for you both. I'm just sick of obsessively checking each time I go to the loo - and think I will be doing so forever! Things have been fine for the last day or so, but I am still worried. Got another scan booked for Monday just to keep an eye on things. smile

vallinnapod Wed 05-Dec-12 10:51:23

I obsessively checked (and had private scans at great cost!) for....ohhh about 19 weeks. Once I felt DS move I then fixated on that smile

sunnyg Wed 05-Dec-12 12:38:44

Yay weller that is absolutely fantastic news! So very happy for you.

pocket sorry to hear about your scare, but glad to hear mini pocket is all okay. What a horrible scare for you. I hope things are smooth sailing from now on.


chocoloco1 Thu 06-Dec-12 15:21:57

Hello ladies, mind if I join you please? I've been stalking for months now and following all your success stories as well as the sad times. I finally feel I can post now as have been for transfer today and didn't want to jinx things by posting before now as I never believed I'd get to this point . . .

vallinnapod Thu 06-Dec-12 19:58:35

Hi choco hope today went well.

I'm feeling angry as despite the clinic telling me we had time for FET pre-Christmas, we don't. So another month on the pill for me sad

Pocket1 Thu 06-Dec-12 20:40:03

Thanks Sunny.

Welcome Choco get yourself comfy in our 2ww bench smile

Vanilla I'm so sorry about your delay. How frustrating for you. Maybe you can have a glass or two over Christmas now wink


bugsylugs Fri 07-Dec-12 07:21:06

mo missed the end of the last thread but from pockets thread, don't beat yourself up, take all the time you need. No one else can tell you how long that is. Do what feels right not what you feel you should do. Here's hoping for you to get some peace. Hugs

pocket so glad things turned out well, do you not think it would be fair if things just became boring and routine so glad mini pocket is growing well seems like they like seeing mummy too.

weller brill news.

goldengirl so sorry for your BFN it does suck sad

Still not done anything I was going to do in Jan just lazy and had another bad week sad. But just love this time of year


Pocket1 Sun 09-Dec-12 12:15:48

Thanks Bugsy. smile. And so nice to be referred to as 'mummy'!

Don't beat yourself up about progress - you've had a lot on your plate. I love this time of year too - the lights, cheesy music, Christmassy films on tv, scrummy food etc etc grin

vallinnapod Mon 10-Dec-12 20:19:12

Sorry - sort of lurking. Fed up of another 3 weeks of pill starting tomorrow...

Hoophopes Mon 10-Dec-12 21:14:07

Sorry for that vanilla - hope that means you can have some treats over Christmas whilst you wait.

MiniH Tue 11-Dec-12 06:09:45

Vanilla sorry about your delay. I hope you can start quickly after Christmas.

Welcome choco. Hope the 2ww isnt too bad for you.

I am 12w today. Cannot believe this date is finally here as felt ages away around weeks five/six. I saw the MW yesterday and we've got our nuchal scan tomorrow. Nervous about that but I know there is nothing we can do except hope that it will be ok.

BadgerFace Tue 11-Dec-12 07:39:39

Wow Mini that's flown by hasn't it! I hope your scan goes well and you don't worry about it too much between now and then. Another milestone to tick off! I found that IVF was good practice for thewaiting-for-the-next-thing-to-tick-off on the pregnancy train route! (Which for me eased off after the 20 week scan...)

vanilla sorry to hear of your delays. It's so frustrating, isn't it? Make the most of Chrimbo fizz!

Morning to the rest of you lovely ladies.

sunnyg Tue 11-Dec-12 11:57:35

Morning to all
mini congrats on your 12 week milestone. I hope the scan goes well.
badger how many weeks are you now? You aren’t far behind scrummy If I recall.
pocket I hope things are all okay and no more scares. Didn’t you have another scan this week?
vanilla so sorry for your delay. Sometimes feels like we are always waiting eh. Fertility ladies must have the best patience.
bugsy you’ve had so much on your plate. Enjoy the festive season and 2013 is just around the corner. Maybe look into things in January when you can. I’m all about the new year and new beginnings here.
welcome Choco, hope you are getting comfy on the bench.
weller how is the post BFP glow? Has it all sunk in yet?
mo how are you going my friend? Been thinking of you….
AFM have started the rolls up and am now firmly in the ARGC lane. Started my monitoring cycle last week. Had really mixed feelings. Great to be getting going finally again, but also big feels of trepidation. Should have results from monitoring cycle by end of the month or early new year. So we’ll see. Trying not to get ahead with potential start dates yet, there may be some delay if immunes treatment needed, so instead of getting disappointed I’m just (trying!) to take it one day at a time.

Big waves to all oxo

chocoloco1 Tue 11-Dec-12 13:18:39

Hi ladies and thank you all for the welcome.
vanilla sorry you're having to wait. Don't really know how that must feel but had to take norethisterone 3x while waiting to get started with this cycle as I wasn't responding to DR and that was bad enough
pocket hope you are still scare free
mini can't wait to hear about your scan
badger how long do you have left?
sunny great news that you're making progress with ARGC

AFM - feeling a bit lonely here on 2ww bench and driving myself mad with symptom spotting and still a week left until OTD! Any tips on how to survive?

Pocket1 Tue 11-Dec-12 18:57:37

Quiet on here at the minute isn't it?

Mo my love. Hope you're doing okay xxx

Italian if you're out there, hello. We do miss you xxx

Vanilla poor you. It's tough waiting isn't it. Hopefully all the Christmassy-ness will be a bit of a distraction for you. What a way to kick off the new year though!

Mini what a milestone indeed. Hope your scan does well tomorrow. I've got mine next week. Well twice actually as had booked private scan for Friday (in anticipation of Nhs wait and we are desperate to be able to tell people over Christmas) and then the Nhs one came through for weds. So weve decided to do both - greedy but so what!

Waves to Badger and Not-so-Mini-Badger not long till you finish work methinks... When are you due?

Sunny great news that you've started already. Again, what a way to start the new year! You know you're in safe hands at argc so get into the passenger seat and let someone else drive the roller for a bit!

Choco symptom spotting is all part of this madness.... But don't let it worry you as many of us had no symptoms at all and got BFPs. Most traditional symptoms such as nausea kick in around 6 weeks anyway. My suggestion for distraction is daytime movies - there are plenty of Christmas ones on at the mo. Try channel 5 about 3pm! Hope the rest of your 2ww passes quickly for you.

AFM we had repeat scan last night and all okay. LO measuring 11+2 (even though we are only 10+3!!). I'm scared ive got a biggun here as I'm only a size 8 and 5'2"!! But whatever, just want everything to be okay.

Hello to all you other ladies.


vallinnapod Tue 11-Dec-12 20:57:09

I feel a bit blush at my moan. It really is quite trivial. I think I had psyched myself up for FET before Christmas. Plus the embryos would have gone back exactly the same time as DS. I sort of saw it as fate.

Plus don't really know how much I can get away with in terms of lots of booze fun with IVF it was when I started sniffing, which gave me 4 weeks until stimming and then a further 3 weeks of stimming so my body had 7 boring virtuous weeks.

Pocket - DS always measured a week ahead - and I didn't start showing until gone 6 months! I was bump ready by then. I just looked a bit bloated up until then!

Good luck tomorrow Mini! I know you will hate me for saying this but your 12 weeks have flown by for me grin I rejoined the thread just soon after your BFP.

BadgerFace Wed 12-Dec-12 08:10:37

Ah vallinna don't feel blush a moan is what we're here!! It's hard when there's a disappointment. The FET gods obviously didn't want you to have to deal with two birthdays at exactly the same time forever more!

Choco I felt a bit funny for about a day and that's pretty much been the extent of my symptoms the whole way through give or take 5am wakings. I am sure it just means you are one of the lucky ones who will sail through pregnancy! But biscuit biscuit poking in public was a big part of my 2ww...

Pocket Lovely to hear about your scan. I wouldn't worry too much about size at this point. Mini-Badger was measuring 99th percentile for head and stomach circumferences at the 20 week scan (i.e. the most painful bits!) but by 32 weeks had evened out a bit and now just has v long legs... To answer sunny - only 5.5 weeks until she makes her appearance... Good to hear you've started with ARGC, I hope it goes smoothly.

Waves to all!

MiniH Thu 13-Dec-12 10:26:41

Just a little update from me to say 12w scan went well. We have low risk of downs and other trisomies and anatomy seen looks fine. They also think it's a boy (although to early to know for sure). Thats what we thought as well though as we've been saying 'he' for a few weeks now. Very happy and starting to feel a little bit real now.

Choco, 2ww is hard but others are right about lack of symptoms. I had teeny bit of implantation bleed (I think) and my cat started sleeping on my for first time ever - not convinced that is scientific proof of anything though!!

Pocket, glad your scan went well. Ive found the measurements to be a bit off a few times as it is hard for them to get a clear shot sometimes. Even if mini-pocket is a bit ahead they are just averages they use.

Hi to everyone else reading Xx

Pocket1 Thu 13-Dec-12 18:34:18

Oh Mini that's really good news. So you're official and can start telling people. What a nice Christmassy suprise x smile

Luckystarfour Fri 14-Dec-12 18:56:13

Pocket has been encouraging me to join you ladies for some time now. I met pocket who introduced me to HSFC so I am forever in her debt as this 4th cycle has been a damned sight more relaxing than my previous midlands clinic cycles.

I think I should be well suited to the thread as I have enough ICSI baggage to share some learning lessons along the way.

I'm on the 9day wait now - thanks to our amazing clinic who test by blood and lessen our pain!! Test next Wednesday - 2 embies on board - this round has ticked soooooo many boxes:

We have male factor - poor morphology ranging from 0-2% good sperm depending on the time! Some mild mild immune factors for me, NK killer and I believe history of low progesterone following transfer!

This cycle we have had - Immune drugs - predisolone, asprin, gestone, pessaries and clexane.

My hubby had TESA (surgical sperm recovery) only to find out on d day all the sperm didn't survive the freeze and was 100% poor morphology!

We have had IMSI - powerful magnifine glass look at the sperm for the fresh sample prior to fertilisation - all sperm came back with poor grading for vacuoles - which implies damage!!

We have narrowly skipped past - CGH genetic testing as the 5 embryos remaining on day 7 were not good enough to test freeze - saved 2.6k though!!!

And to top the journey and we really have to be different - we had a sequential fresh transfer 1 on day 3 (which we have never had before) and one on day 5.

So we have ticked every possible box known to the IVF world I'm sure of it! So here's hoping for a Christmas miracle!!!

Failing that we will fly to Oz on Christmas Day! (Need to rob a bank - but come what may we will be going if this dosent work!!!)

Happy to keep others company on the x week wait and would welcome tons of baby dust from all you lovely ladies. Xxx

Pocket1 Fri 14-Dec-12 20:52:21

Welcome Lucky. Our moto on this thread is....

Dont stop believing

vallinnapod Fri 14-Dec-12 22:20:59

How exciting Mini!! I can't believe they can now have a pretty good stab at gender at 12 weeks! So exciting! And a nice relief in terms of overall his (grin) overall health.

Hi Lucky - are the assisted conception queen grin everything crossed for Weds for you!

goldengirl71 Fri 14-Dec-12 23:22:55

Hi everybody, hope you are all well. I've been reading but keeping quiet (despite desperately needing to just talk sometimes) as I don't really feel I can contribute until I start IUI in the New Year. Just finished my third round of Clomid and feeling terribly desperate and defeatist all of a sudden. Two Clomid cycles have passed where two eggs were seen on the scan each time - and still no pregnancy. I am becoming despairing. I am sorry to bring my woes to this thread.

Congratulations on your scan, Mini, what a fabulous relief.

Lucky, you sound like an über-warrior - but then again I feel that about every woman on here. It is unbelievable how deep everyone has had to dig to get to where they are on this thread (which is why I feel stupid for moaning at my lack of success. I had a mmc at my 11 week scan in March (while I was still 40) and haven't had a BFP since. We have an appointment in January to see about one round of IUI, which is all we can afford). I would like to ask you, Lucky what your opinion is of a 3% sperm morphology. This is what my DP has and, although the consultant tried to assure me this was 'fine' (motility was great, sperm count 16 million - not so great in my book) I don't believe him. Could this 3% morphology be stopping me from getting pregnant? Any advice/opinions would be much appreciated.

goldengirl71 Fri 14-Dec-12 23:24:44

After all that blathering, Lucky, I forgot to wish you all the best for Wednesday blush

Luckystarfour Sat 15-Dec-12 08:03:20

Thanks ladies - I completely agree - we all seem to have to battle so hard to achieve what happens so naturally for so many women! Life is unfair isn't it!! I agree with your moto and I genuinely believe you gain tenacity and spirit to battle this s**t!!!

Golden girl - so sorry to hear about your mmc, that must have been so gut wrenching. It's completely my fear - that if its this difficult to actually get pregnant - how the hell does it feel to then try and stay preganant. The road never ends does it!

In terms of morphology - my hubby's has only ever varied between 3% good to 100% no good. His sperm count and motility has always been great. It's a question we have gone over again and again - what's the cause, will it ever change, why him?

At Hsfc we have seen a male specialist through referral - and he is of the belief it is a preprogrammed over heating factor - this is not genetic as all my hubby's genetic testing has come back completely fine - but this is just part of his individual make up.

When he went for the TESA op, the consultant said he could actually 'see' the damage even at this stage when the sperm were so young - they had tapered heads, bent necks etc. therefore he believed that collecting the sperm from tubulas nearest the vascule entry had the least chance of being damaged! In fact the test on the day of TESA did show normal sperm and also the freeze thaw test on the day showed they recovered ok too! But on the day of egg collection - after 1 month in the freezer we thawed nothing!! We were gutted!!! Not only because it cost us 3.5k!! Ouch!!

I would say something that has been most useful though is IMSI this hugely powerful microscope - they hand select each sperm for fertilisation of each egg - on this day my hubby's fresh sample still wasn't the best it had been - and each sperm showed levels 3-4 of vascoules these tiny little bubbles in the sperm which indicate damage 1 is great sperm 4 is worst. So this has obviously made us very cautious about a) could they achieve pregnancy b) whether we have a higher risk of abnormalities in the embryo. As I say the journey never stops does it!

We said recently that we wishes wed had IMSI in the early days when my hubby just had his sperm test as this has taught us most about the sperm and possible damage!

Last cycle we genetically tested our embryos and we had only 2 out of 10 genetically normal - one of those arrested on The day of transfer (day 5) so we had only one very early blastocyst to put back then. But we achieved a positive result but only for two days!

What I would say golden girl is my husband has tried all sorts of supplements and our third cycle was def. the best in terms of his sperm and he used these

Natural Health Practice Fertility Support for Men Capsules - Tub of 90

Look on amazon! We used zita west - vitamen and vitamen boost this time and he was no where near as high. So I would stick to the others!

The other thing I should mention is we always achieve about 90% fertilisation of around 10 embryos and we always have nice looking results right the way through to day 6/7 so we know his sperm an fertilise and also develop blastocysts - but the damage seems to array the embryo at a certain point! Oh but this gets more complicated - maybe our embryos could have survived but i have always spotted and therefore have felt my progesterone levels are far too low! This has happened only yesterday - without the spotting thank god! But regular progesterone testing this cycle is finally being taken care of by our new clinic - and I so believe this is crucial!!!

I'm not sure im answering your question here, but I don't want to form an opinion on your circumstances just give you info we've found out so perhaps you can ask further questions.

Our consultants ( in two different clinics) have said that with this morphology, ICSI could only ever be the option. We would perhaps have gone for the blind TESA on the day of egg collection kneeling what we know now - as this would have meant we collected young sperm without the need to freeze.

Of course there is always the case that even with these results - you still read couples suddenly fall pregnant natrually at some point - and there is a part of me that also thinks nature has its way of filtering out the abnormal sperm because as you've said - if count is high there is 3% of them that are normal. I know its my luck ill have twins and then fall pregnant early naturally - end up with a house full! Haha!

It's just the waiting seems so daunting to go the natural route dosent it!

Shout if you want to ask anything else - happy to try and draw further info out the ivf brain!!

Thanks everyone for your welcome - I promise my posts will be shorter in future!! Xx

goldengirl71 Sat 15-Dec-12 09:19:42

Thank you, Lucky, for such a detailed reply. My DP is taking 200mg Coenzyme QT (recommended by one kind lady on here) daily and he also takes a zinc supplement. We cannot afford the kind of treatment and tests you have had but I am hoping IUI will filter out at least some top dollar sperm although I won't hold my breath

Much luck for Wednesday and thanks once again for your reply thanks

goldengirl71 Sat 15-Dec-12 09:20:29

*I meant Coenzyme Q10!!

Luckystarfour Sat 15-Dec-12 10:09:24

Keep the faith goldengirl, there is truth In the fact hat it only takes one!!!!! :-)

goldengirl71 Sat 15-Dec-12 11:59:10

Do you think lots and lots of sex is required with a 3% morphology? We can only manage two well-timed sex sessions at ovulation due to DP's erectile dysfunction issues sad We always manage to DTD the day of ovulation and the day before. I so wish we could rodger like rabbits sad

Luckystarfour Sat 15-Dec-12 13:09:18

I used the clear blue ovulation machine which was really accurate.
I personally understand it to be important to catch just before the actual ovulation also - so hence the machine gives you a really good window because the sperm may not be moving as fast and so hence once ovulating its not reached in time.

I think it's better to have dec every other day even over the ovulation window as sperm lives for up to three days or something similar so if there is an egg released the sperm will be alive still to fertilise!

They also advise to ejaculate every three to five days to keep the sperm healthy and new so if possible (and to take the pressure off) perhaps he keeps to this schedule personally, so to speak! You can't be a wonder women and leaving the guy to his own schedule can help take the pressure off :-)

I actually think when we used the ovulation sticks by the time it read a smiley face, we were aiming too late with my hubby's sperm!!

Make sense???!!!!!!

goldengirl71 Sat 15-Dec-12 19:05:07

Yes, Lucky, that makes perfect sense, thank you. I already have this knowledge, of course, but I am starting to seriously lose the faith and when that happens you start to doubt the essentials of what you have been doing to create a baby. When I fell pregnant in January (later mmc) we had sex on the day of ov, two days before and four days before. I remember at the time (before I found out I was pregnant) gnashing my teeth with regret that we hadn't 'managed' to DTD the day before ovulation. I am now so disbelieving of this whole dream that I can no longer bear to 'waste' sperm being deposited four days beforehand sad

goldengirl71 Sat 15-Dec-12 21:09:26

Lucky, can you explain the point of a Clearblue fertility monitor if one knows the day one will ovulate? Surely one can simply have sex in the preceeding days without forking out £70 on a machine? Or am I missing something.

Hoophopes Sat 15-Dec-12 21:46:40

I also used the CBFM golden - which helped reduced the stress of ttc our first child for so many years. To give you hope, ICSI failed for us, I was diagnosed with multiple immune issues, dh has lowish number of sperm and poor morphology and antibody issues and reduced motility and yet after 7yrs of trying to conceive we managed a natural pregnancy. The CBFM took the stress out, for me, of knowing when to DTD as after many years I couldn't cope with missing the key dates and I never knew when I would ovulate without it - that for me was why it worked. It is not just the cost of the machine, you have to spend about £10 a month on the sticks for it - for me it worked, in that it took the guess work and stress out of it and gave me some control back. I then gave it away to someone who I know is struggling ttc (frustratingly as would quite like it back now!!) .

goldengirl71 Sat 15-Dec-12 21:55:15

Thanks, Hoophopes, I've just ordered one from Amazon! (£63 - gulp). Will it include a couple of sticks for starters, do you think, or should I go back on and order a box? So expensive.

And, congratulations on your natural pregnancy! When did that happen for you? May I ask how old you are (I am 41 so really don't have seven years of trying left!)?

Luckystarfour Sat 15-Dec-12 22:02:55

Completely understand where you're coming from goldengirl, the whole thing is exhausting. As Hoophopes says - it took the stress out of the 'planning' for me as my cycles vary in length. It sounds like you're pretty in tune with when you ovulate. So keep the faith and don't doubt yourself. I genuinely believe that despite poor morphology, my hubby and I could get pregnant natrually one day as you hear stories so often.
Don't stop believing :-)

Luckystarfour Sat 15-Dec-12 22:10:14

Just seen your bought ken goldengirl.

Here's a tip - the first time you use the machine it will get you to start using the sticks from about day 8 ish - so I basically tested exactly when it asked for the first month - then after that I'd put in on everyday but only start using the sticks nearer towards day 10 so or when you know it's still early for you to get a higher surge.

Also it gives you an x hour window to test this therefore means setting up the machine at the beginning I that window. So hence don't set it at 10pm at night for the first time or that's when it would ask ou to test between 10pm and 1am.

You want to aim for the morning ao first wee of the day - but it tells you all this and it really is quite simple to use.

I also didn't test alot past ovulation each month - just a few days -

I would buy another box of sticks. I think amazon offered the best price. I definitely got through less of them one I grasped the machine.

Hoophopes - do you have any more tips.

I'm sure you could sell the machine at some point too :-)

Luckystarfour Sat 15-Dec-12 22:10:35

* bought one!!

Hoophopes Sat 15-Dec-12 22:35:57

golden think you need to buy sticks. the first month it uses lots to find out about you, but after that I found one box lasted me 2 months (so in fact £7 a month if £14 a box, Amazon seems cheapest from a quick search.) For me it was worth every penny for reducing stress, knowing I was doing everything I could - also i learnt not every month was the same and that was the biggest surprise to me!!
tips: - like lucky I never used the sticks (apart from first month when I did everything it said to give it all the data it needed) after it told me I ovulated. After a few months I didn't use them too early in the cycle either!
- I got a diary/calendar and recorded all my data (how long each cycle was, how many high days before ovulation, what day of cycle I ovulated). My dh then turned it into a spreadsheet (as only he could!). It made me realise I varied an awful lot!
- take multi vits and dh too (as you are doing). I also took a daily aspirin, 75mg dose that dissolved (so often called baby aspirin, as a small amount). Wish I had done this earlier, as the gynae I saw years before suggested it (I ignored it!) but the month I conceived was 2 months after a stroke (and 3 months after failed ICSI) and they discovered I had blood clotting factors (which the ICSI consultant also discovered when we had reproductive immunology tests) when I had taken a daily aspirin for 2 months. It helped prevent miscarriage and helped conception due to my issues!! So the fact we had timed DTD helped as it could have only been on one occasion I conceived!!!
- The monitor tells you to use the machine within a timeframe which you need to stick to. You can vary it a certain amount of time either side of the time you set it with (and you can change the time you set it each month if need be) - I set it for 8am so could test before work and also have a lie in at weekends. I also found it transported anywhere I needed to take it in a handbag in the end!!

I had my ds (our first child) this year, he is 9mths old now. I am 37, started ttc 7/8 years before that and used the CBFM for over 30 cycles!! One cycle of ICSI failed. Had already had the tests (Level 1 and Level 2 immune tests privately) to see if there were any other issues and were hoping to be allowed a 2nd cycle (privately as only one NHS cycle free here) soon when we conceived. The consultant then prescibed me lots of drugs to support my pregnancy due to the issues picked up on the tests.

Oh - if you have a very good Gp, they may, just may do some of the level 1 immune tests for you. Often hospitals will only do them if you have 3 miscarriages (I argues that I couldn't conceive!) - they are basic blood clotting tests, thyroid test and so on. I learnt I had a genetic condition - Factor V Leiden (blood clotting ) that meant I needed to inject clexane every day in pregnancy. Many people now get that prescribed I learnt after birth as hospitals are very risk aware of clotting problems after birth. The NHS paid for my medication for issues they considered needed treating, some we had to pay privately for as they didnt' see them as necessary (but we did) - who knows how it would have gone without the immune drugs, but we are thankful for everything. Have a happy and healthy little boy. Totally after we had given up hope and we didn't even have a good ICSI cycle, with only 4 fertilised eggs, not of a good standard and none to freeze.

sorry for essay!!

goldengirl71 Sun 16-Dec-12 00:09:56

Blimey, I am so grateful to both of you, Lucky and Hoophopes for your detailed advice, thank you for your time. I cannot seem to get my head around the fact that it only took us two months of ttc to get pregnant in January - at the age of 40 - and it has been nine months since my mmc and not even a whiff of pregnancy since. It feels like years as opposed to months and that feeling of time running out due to my age is just crushing.

However..I feel positive about this CBFM. Tell me, please, am I right in thinking the monitor declares low, medium and high days of fertility? If that is the case, do you still have sex on the 'low' days or do you save yourselves for the 'high' ones? Maybe I just need to read the instructions when it arrives blush I am obsessed with intercourse frequency patterns and timing simply because we have DP's erectile issues to contend with and the agonies he goes through each month to try to satisfy my demands for sperm are just horrible to watch. My anxieties begin as soon as my period is over - fretting about how I can 'improve' things this month and what tricks I can conjure up to relax DP. It has all become so stressful and is beginning to impact on DP's confidence and my belief in this dream of ours.

I'm so sorry to spew this out here when all of you have had far, far more torturous journeys.

Hoophopes, can you tell me what we can expect to pay for one round of IUI at a private clinic? Will they be willing to perform just the one round or do you have to 'sign up' for several (which is not financially viable for us)?

wellerbabe Sun 16-Dec-12 07:20:32

mini congrats on your scan hope u feel u can relax a bit now
goldengirl you poor thing it sounds like you really have a stressful time planning everything each month and it does put so much pressure on you both on top of the actual fertility issues to know DP has to perform!
Thanks for all your good wishes I am in limbo at the moment waiting for 6wk scan next week and almost not believing it until then. Have done about 10 tests since OTD! Norks are only a little bit sore and am being a moody cow but that may be just because I feel uptight ! wink
Hope you are all getting ready to relax a bit over Chrimbo gringringrin

Luckystarfour Sun 16-Dec-12 11:28:35

You're welcome goldengirl. Yep the box will explain but no sex on low days and as you start to get used to your pattern with the highs I woul aim for the last few highs then the ovulating dot which is for about three days and then it's high for a little after - still not everyday across this time as discussed before.

Jut looked up IUI at our clinic and its £700 not sure of there are drugs involved still? But they'd be happy with one round! That's HSFC - of Harley street - and I found them no more expensive than my clinic in the midlands ironically :-)

goldengirl71 Sun 16-Dec-12 11:34:11

Thanks, Lucky. Why would the machine pinpoint ovulation for three days? Why would someone have sex after ovulation has been confirmed? (Panicking about the amount of sex required with CBFM here sad)

Weller, the wait for scans it agonising, I know, but I hope you can temper those demons that would have us believe all kinds of negative nonsense. Oh! how I wish I was in your shoes! smile

Luckystarfour Sun 16-Dec-12 11:55:13

Just tea the description on amazon about the machine and this explains it well it gives you two peak fertility ovulation days where your surge is at the higher. Then a window around it where still chance to maximise.

BUT don't panic - like we discussed it doesn't need to be on ALL these days but across these days will give the best chance.

Just another thought - but have our tried Accupuncture? I know it's another expense but a good fertilty accupunturist can really help get your body receptive BUT most importantly really relax you. I do believe this is key 'feeling calm in your body ' - I know it's shit when people tell you to relax - I know we never switch off but feeling calm is worth working on.

Pocket recommended the zita west CDs/downloads to me and they really do help also.

I'm a devil for per working, over thinking, get cheat twinges, don't wind down etc etc but I taking these factors in my hands have been essential to me to help me feel in a good place.

Feel assured you are well researched and you have a method you are following - so now time to take the pressure off and keep positive belief xxx

Luckystarfour Sun 16-Dec-12 11:55:38

Apologies for my spelling this iPhone is a pain to view the whole message!!

sunnyg Sun 16-Dec-12 17:18:56

welcome lucky, sounds like you have had the works done my dear! I have everything crossed for you that this is your time.

weller I feel your pain waiting for that all important 6 week scan. It seems like everything is going sooo slowly doesn't it! Will be thinking of you then and can't wait to hear your good news.

goldengirl sorry you are having a hard time of it but it sounds like lucky has given you some great ideas and tips to go forward.

mini I am thrilled for you about your 12 week scan. And maybe team blue eh! What a wonderful christmas you are going to have, now that it's official.

If you are a sucker for baby shows etc like me, then I have a new good one for you all. It's called the baby makers and it's about couples undergoing IVF in North Ireland. Available on catch-up via BBC iplayer. Being such a glutton for punishment I've watched the 3 episodes on there currently back to back. But I'm glad to see a show finally now just about having babies, but about how some of us have to get there. I hope it takes away some of the stigma associated with IVF etc. But I was shocked to hear the live birth rate after IVF in Northern Ireland was just 20%. Anyway look it up if you feel like it.

Hope you all have had a good weekend. Last week of work coming up - wooo hoo! Oh and of course ladies, don't stop believing!


BadgerFace Mon 17-Dec-12 12:13:08

I'd second acupuncture if you can, although I'm sure another expense is not what you need! But I think it helped me get my positive result, as well as another IVFer friend. She also swears by it being the reason she had a chilled out baby although I must admit I stopped going after my BFP. It's also supposed to be able to help male factor issues. I always felt that even if it wasn't heping to improve my womb lining etc then it was at least 45 mins of relaxing once a week!

sunny thanks for the program tip, sounds right up my street (and perfect timing with my mat leave starting on Thursday!)

goldengirl71 Mon 17-Dec-12 13:41:21

Thank you for your thoughts surrounding acupuncture. Without wanting to sound bombastic I have really strong feelings against alternative or homeopathic treatments and therapies. I have no doubt that such therapies are relaxing - which is important during this angst-ridden journey - but I do not believe they have the power to 'unlock fertility', or 'massage ovaries', or 'retune' our bodies. In fact, I feel the whole industry is a cynical one which makes lots and lots of money out of fearful and stressed women like us who will do anything to get our bodies to work. Sorry, I will step off my soap-box - I just feel annoyed sometimes at the claims which some of these therapists make and the money they are drowning in from other people's anxieties.

I am aware, however, that, from a relaxation point of view, they can be marvellous remedies. I find the gym cheaper and more beneficial for weight control hmm

Pocket1 Mon 17-Dec-12 20:47:22

Just popping in to say hello smile

Luckystarfour Tue 18-Dec-12 09:06:13

OMG I am starting to feel nervous about tomorrow!

Feels surreal as this is the first time I have not 'spotted' in the two week wait and I feel really well. So then I keep wondering this morning is that perhaps because there's nothing growing in there!

Would I be bleeding if it was going wrong, or would the progesterone prevent the bleeding anyhow - now that my levels have been controlled properly.

I think today and the 4-6 hours wait after the blood test tomorrow will be the longest wait in our lives! Eeeeek!!

Please please let it be our time!!!! :-))

goldengirl71 Tue 18-Dec-12 11:23:17

Flipping heck, Lucky, I am so nervous for you! The very best of luck for tomorrow, I hope your dreams come true.

Luckystarfour Tue 18-Dec-12 18:18:58

Thanks goldengirl. Survived the day - so here's hoping tomorrow passes quickly :-)

BadgerFace Tue 18-Dec-12 18:30:04

Good luck Lucky for tomorrow. Really, really routing for you.

Luckystarfour Tue 18-Dec-12 20:09:43

Thanks badger - I so hope it's our time xx

goldengirl71 Tue 18-Dec-12 20:15:07

What time is your blood test, Lucky? Why blood and not urine to test for pregnancy? (Sorry to sound thick).

goldengirl71 Tue 18-Dec-12 20:15:53

Oops! Just figured it're testing early, right? smile

Luckystarfour Tue 18-Dec-12 20:35:27

Yep embryo 1 has been in 12 days tomorrow and embryo 2 10 days so test by blood as not 14 day wait! Can test by urine on Friday!

Test at 10am so early start into London and then to go for a big old lunch to pass some time - how the time would pass so much quicker with a lovely bottle of wine!!! :-)

goldengirl71 Tue 18-Dec-12 21:32:45

I've got the collywobbles just thinking about your nerves, Lucky! How bloody exciting! grin

vallinnapod Tue 18-Dec-12 21:42:33

Good luck lucky

Bugger all happening with me....Day 8 of the pill so a while to go before it gets interesting for me smile

Luckystarfour Tue 18-Dec-12 22:00:51

Thanks both.

It will soon get exciting for you vallinnapod! The time starts to fly! :-)

goldengirl71 Tue 18-Dec-12 22:55:48

Vallinnapod, are you 'down-regging', or whatever they call it? How many days does that last? Does it feel 'abnormal' to be on the pill? How ironic. Science is brilliant though, eh?

I started SWI tonight (although I craftily led DP to believe I was simply hot for him. This almost backfired when he was struggling to ejaculate and offered to save time by masturbating over my breasts! I almost clawed his eyes out shock)

BadgerFace Wed 19-Dec-12 07:23:49

Lucky Try some Bitburger Drive with your lunch, it's the best 0% lager I've found (and I've tested a lot!)

golden Sounds like you were nearly too subtle for your own good!

it's my last day at work today following my April embryo transfer - Don't stop believing ladies.

goldengirl71 Wed 19-Dec-12 08:59:52

Badgerface, hello! Last day of work as in maternity leave? Enjoy! This thread really does instil hope (if you've got balls of steel and plenty of cash. I have balls of malleable aluminium and not a pot to piss in).

Lucky! What can I say?? I'd like to send calming vibes but I'm afraid I'm too excited for you. Very best of luck, love.

Pocket1 Wed 19-Dec-12 11:07:21

Good luck today Lucky everything but everything is crossed for you both and I'm holding my breath till you update us! Come on BFP smile

Badger wow last day at work - and what a nice time of year to finish. Really hope the remainder of your pregnancy passes quickly so you get to meet your LO soon. I've loved getting to know you on this thread and you've always been positive, kind and funny. Do keep in touch with us here to let us know how you're doing. thanks

So, i've had my NHS nuchal scan this morning - all looked fine. Baby was chilling out with legs outstretched - just like his/her dad! Bloods form the other half of that test and apparently they'll take 72 hours to come back - which is Christmas eve. If there's a problem, i'll get a call. If everything is okay i wont hear a thing but will get a letter in the post in a couple of weeks. i am so relieved that we're repeating these tests privately on Friday and will have all the results by that evening.

To echo Badger, Dont stop believing biscuitbiscuit

sunnyg Wed 19-Dec-12 12:08:48

Good luck for today lucky. Fingers crossed for that BFP!

badger wooo hooo maternity leave here you come. I echo pocket in saying please do keep in touch. You've always been so thoughtful and kind and still interested in our journeys even when you got your BFP. I hope you get a chance to put your feet up before bub arrives.

pocket how wonderful to see your laid back bub on the scan. I'm glad you have that private test booked as well, but all is going to be fine anyway.

Another Acupuncture fan here. Actually it's the only alternative therapy that has proven (and had multiple scientific studies done) that has increased IVF/Assisted conception success. Plus I love my acpuncturist and always feel much more chilled after.

Keep believing ladies - here comes 2013!


goldengirl71 Wed 19-Dec-12 12:36:27

Sunny, do you have any links to these scientific studies, please? I would be really interested to see them. Thank you.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Wed 19-Dec-12 12:59:20

Hello. I've been stalking lurking for a while and feel its now time to formally out myself and request to join.

I've been TTC for 2 years and have had 2 mc's both at 9ish weeks. Once a year ago and the other in June. I am currently on my 1st cycle of clomid and am sick of the chair of doom already!

I am on the BESH thread but fancied popping in here too. Hope thats ok.

goldengirl71 Wed 19-Dec-12 13:31:06

Hello, Buggerlugs, I'm on my third round of Clomid. Last two cycles we saw two big follicles on the screen and both times I was injected with HCG and still no pregnancy. I've joined this thread as we are going for one round of IUI in the New Year. Why did your consultant suggest Clomid? Are you old, like me (41)? wink

vallinnapod Wed 19-Dec-12 14:10:08

Golden I don't have to downreg for FET. The only reason I am on the pill is because I don't ovulate/have periods so it is to induce a bleed. And yes, totally ironic hmmgrin

Welcome Buggerlugs - good luck with the Clomid

goldengirl71 Wed 19-Dec-12 14:20:53

Thanks, Vall, is FET the transfer of embryos which were created at an earlier date and then frozen?

Watching the clock here for Lucky's news..

vallinnapod Wed 19-Dec-12 14:43:43

Yes. I had successful IVF this time 2 years ago (DS is 15.5 months). We had two embryos that were good enough to freeze so we are hoping they both thaw successfully!

goldengirl71 Wed 19-Dec-12 15:03:10

Ooooh, Vall! When will that be?

goldengirl71 Wed 19-Dec-12 15:08:28

P.s..*Vall*, why do you need the pill to bring on a bleed? Don't you have periods? (Sorry if I seem nosy but I'm ill-informed and would like to know more in case I find £5k under a hedge somewhere).

goldengirl71 Wed 19-Dec-12 19:28:26

I hope no news is good news, Lucky!

vallinnapod Wed 19-Dec-12 19:29:16

I don't have periods because I don't ovulate...due to PCOS.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Wed 19-Dec-12 20:41:21

Hello. Thanks for the kind welcome.

Golden I have no idea why he suggested clomid. I ovulate, i have periods and i can get pregnant. I just can't stay pregnant!! The scans have shown that my ovaries are polycystic although i don't have PCOS. I'm 30 btw.

vallinnapod Wed 19-Dec-12 20:45:10

Bugger...bit like me (although as I mentioned no ovulation/periods). Polycystic ovaries but my hormone levels are all normal (I still cannot see how this could be the case??), normal weight etc. Annoying [grr]

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Wed 19-Dec-12 20:50:52

Yep thats me. Normal everything except for my teflon womb!

Luckystarfour Thu 20-Dec-12 09:29:41

Hi ladies

I'm absolutely gutted to say its a NO!!!

As soon as I've recharged the batteries - ill be back online - but for now time to instigate plan b - booking a big trip to leave on Christmas Day.

Then to dust ourselves down and get back on the horse - sperm doner route is the one for us and it looks like we will start that in March/April.

Don't stop believing ladies and time to go easy on ourselves over Christmas xxxxxx

goldengirl71 Thu 20-Dec-12 10:45:02

Bloody hell, Lucky, I don't believe it (and I really don't understand either). I am so sorry. Going away sounds a marvellous plan. Hope you find some peace, love.

BadgerFace Thu 20-Dec-12 10:57:58

So sorry to hear that Lucky. Look after yourself, and wishing you a very good trip.

wellerbabe Thu 20-Dec-12 15:59:25

lucky sorry to hear that it wasn't good news. Sounds like a great thing to focus on getting a fab hol booked. Go and relax and enjoy time with other half smile

sunnyg Thu 20-Dec-12 17:13:28

lucky so sorry to hear that. Have a good break, and when you are ready to return we'll all be here for you.

sunnyg Thu 20-Dec-12 17:17:46

golden I'm sorry I don't know any particular articles off the top of my head, but a very quick google search found these. I'm sure there is more out there if you are interested. Pretty much every clinic these days will also have information about acupuncture and AC and most are very supportive of it. But as the other's have said, like all of this stuff it doesn't come cheap. Although I do know some practitioners operate low cost multi-bed practices.

and welcome to buggerlugs

MiniH Thu 20-Dec-12 18:29:38

lucky so sorry it don't work. You sound like you have an excellent back up plan with the holiday and I really hope the next round is your turn.

pocket yay on your 12w scan. Good luck for the private one tomorrow. It is nice to know there and then all the results. Fx for you hun.


wellerbabe Fri 21-Dec-12 12:26:48

Happy to report one healthy little bean with fast little heart flickering this morning at 6wk scan. Still a bit in shock but think it will start to feel real now. grin

Hope you are all ready to wind down for Christmas x

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 21-Dec-12 12:38:58

Morning all. Well done on the scan Weller. Keep that little bean safe and warm and take it easy.

I am due to ovulate this weekend and have decided that i'm going to get pregnant this month. However niave (sp?) that may seem, PMA is the way forward for me today.

BadgerFace Fri 21-Dec-12 13:20:15

Hurray Weller what an amazing thing for you to see!

Good luck this weekend Buggerlugs wink

goldengirl71 Fri 21-Dec-12 16:46:20

Weller, congratulations. Marvellous.

Bugger, we could be screw buddies. I am ovulating either tomorrow or Sunday and my wonderful DP (with his ejaculatory issues) has already done the business twice. Two more screws to go! grin

goldengirl71 Fri 21-Dec-12 17:04:05

...make that three hmm

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Fri 21-Dec-12 19:28:11

Golden - Ejaculation issues?!

Pocket1 Fri 21-Dec-12 20:21:19

Congratulations Weller really fantastic news - and so fab before Christmas. I am so happy for you. You must both be over the moon. grin

We've had our 12 week scan today and everything is fine. Still a long way to go but another one of those hurdles done.

Ladies I just want to say that this journey is hard, unfair, sometimes long and sometimes crappy. And sometimes very crappy. But please don't stop believing.

Thank you all for your kind words and advice - you made all the difference.

Merry Christmas and here's to a 2013 packed with bfps and babies. I'll be snooping regularly for news.

Bugsy and Sunny huge love and luck to you both (and a tonne of baby dust!


goldengirl71 Fri 21-Dec-12 20:49:48

Bugger, yes, DP has erectile dysfuction problems which only manifest themselves around ovulation. It has become monstrously difficult for him to ejaculate when the pressure is on and the months have rolled by without a BFP. I have tried drawing a veil over OPK/charting regimes and fudging the dates I'm ovulating but he knows. He is desperate for this baby and I am beginning to resent the fact he can not fill me with as much sperm as I would like. Only tonight we have had to abandon sex as he just couldn't ejaculate. We tried everything (and I mean everything) and I am sick and fed up.

If I wasn't 41 I wouldn't feel quite so panicked but I don't have time to relax about these issues and I feel like fucking off and getting pregnant elsewhere. I love DP so much - he is a fantastic, selfless man - but I'm struggling to suppress the resentment I feel that he can't just get the job done sad

goldengirl71 Fri 21-Dec-12 21:13:49

I feel like a hateful witch now. It's not DP's fault that TTC has wrecked our sex life and withered his confidence (sigh). I can't believe the trusty Viagra failed us tonight - his poor head must be wrecked. He has promised me he will see the job through tomorrow before he leaves to go and visit his son (seven years old and born to DP's ex when she was 45! shockenvy)

goldengirl71 Sat 22-Dec-12 07:53:29

My hero DP gave it another go at 1 o'clock this morning...success!! grin Little does he know he has to do it again tonight and probably tomorrow morning (come on, LH surge!) hmm

BadgerFace Sat 22-Dec-12 09:29:34

Goldengirl good to hear you got there in the end! TTC becomes so stressful, and it takes a lot of the fun out of what should be a pleasurable time and I really feel for your DH and for you equally on the different pressures you are under.

My DH did not have a very high sex drive and so we would DTD every other day around ovulation (before we embarked on the IVF journey). I've also read that every other day can help get better quality sperm but I have no experience of Clomid so this might not apply to your situation.

Good luck, and here's hoping that 1am deposit is your BFP-in-waiting. As they say, it only takes one little sperm...

highlove Sat 22-Dec-12 09:59:57


I've posted here once before just around the time I found our first IVF had failed. Some lovely ladies gave me some very lovely support but I lost the plot a bit and had to stop MN for a bit. But I've been lurking on and off for ages and thought now I'd join you properly.

Backstory: trying for a couple of years, few minor things on my side but no real reason found why we shouldn't be able to conceive. Got pg with IUI earlier in the year but sadly miscarried around 8 weeks. Aren't entitled to any more on the NHS so decided the go straight to IVF to increase our chances. Private clinic discovered problem with DH so at least we now know. Had ICSI and just assumed it must work because IUI had. We didn't end up with as many embryos as expected but had two perfect beauties put back and were lectured about twin risk. Everything went fine, had a bit of spotting midway through 2ww which I obviously took to be implantation spotting so was genuinely shocked to get BFN. I just knew it had worked. Anyway, we're going again in a couple of months. No big changes planned, just some minor tweaks - higher dose trigger because I don't seem to respond well and they were unae to collect eggs from about half my follicles. Apparently more trigger will help. And I'll have collection a day or two sooner. Am feeling a bit despondent about it to be honest...feel a bit like I had two perfect embryos put back and it didn't work so not sure why having a few more will actually help. Any stories of success after a failure but without changing much to the protocol would be much appreciated!

Anyway, enough of me. I hope you are all excitedly preparing for Christmas. Hope 2013 is the year for every single one of us.

Pocket and Weller - I've been following your progress as I've lurked and huge congrats both. Hope you both have very calm, uneventful pregnancies.

highlove Sat 22-Dec-12 10:02:15

Ps. Sorry about typos. Stupid iPhone.

wellerbabe Sat 22-Dec-12 11:41:39

highlove welcome grin I am sure the stories of the ladies on the board will give you hope and confidence that it can work for you. I am a poor responder and following a failed IUI and failed IVF my 3rd attempt was done without down regging where I got 6 and then 3 eggs to blast and one perfect one back in. That didn't work then this time followed exactly the same short protocol only got 2 eggs which both fertilised so both went back in on day 2 and has been successful. Long way to go yet but very happy smile
Good luck to you x

wellerbabe Sat 22-Dec-12 11:45:46 add to my last post the only difference this time is that I am on dextramethasone steroid. Consultant put me on them incase of any immune issues as a precaution rather than me spending fortune in tests smile

sunnyg Sun 23-Dec-12 16:00:44

Just a quick one from me to wish you all a wonderful Christmas and of course, ladies, onwards and upwards to 2013.
To the lovely badger and scrummy who must be about to pop out our most recent AC babies any moment now, please do let us know when they arrive. We'll all be waiting to hear. Thanks for always looking in on us.

To the recently pregnant AC ladies; pocket, mini, weller, beginning, frosticle and sasha, looking forward to news of of more AC baby arrivals in 2013 and thanks for inspiring us to never stop beleiving.

To our new friends; lucky, hoops golden, buggerlugs, chocoloco, caprihanas and returner vallinapod I hope that 2013 brings you all what you want most and that 2013 is your year.

A special hug to our friend mo, I'm not sure where things are at with you, but we all hope you are doing as well as you can and that we are thinking of you. I know this must be especially a tough time for you so big, big hugs.

and italian we think of you often. If you are ever about let us know how your adoption journey is going.

Xmas hugs also to Keziah, Lissy, Lucy, Teds, Vics,Beginnings, Scarlett, Josie, Maplecake, Ellie, Mojangled, Lexie, , kitty, BadgerFace, Pumpkinjoy.

Apologies to anyone I've left off.

So bugsy is it's up to us old timers to bring up the rear in 2013. And that my friend is what we are going to do. No ifs, no buts, just steely determination.

I'm finding the festive period a little tough, as I'm sure many of you understand. But I'm going to try and appreciate what I have and keep looking forward. It's all about looking forward. Tomorrow being Xmas Eve I'm going to take a little fertility mini-break over the next few days, but I'll be back in the NY. Thank you to all of you for your support, hugs and laughs in 2012.

DSB in 2013 oxoxox

viviennewestwould Sun 23-Dec-12 16:48:46

SunnyG, what a lovely message, thank you. I've had a name change - was feeling Goldengirl was a very ageing moniker hmm

I wish you all a very peaceful Christmas. I hope all our dreams come true in 2013 or we at least all get to our target weight

wellerbabe Sun 23-Dec-12 19:23:11

sunny Happy Christmas to you too and I hope 2013 is your year smile x

BadgerFace Mon 24-Dec-12 08:34:32

sunny what a lovely message! I have 4 weeks to go but will definitely let you know when mini-badger arrives. I had so much amazing support from this thread during my journey.

Chrimbo wishes to everyone. Don't stop believing and I hope you all hit the top of the rollercoaster very soon.

2013 will be the year of many more graduates, I have no doubt.


JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 24-Dec-12 09:46:05

Just popping on to wish you all a Merry Christmas.

I am feeling in a vile bitter angry mood today. CD19 and I still havent ov'd. My follicle is 26mm and they think it will just turn into a cyst.

All this time i've been having periods and probably without ovulating.

Even fecking Mary managed it and she didn't even have sex (allegedly!)

viviennewestwould Mon 24-Dec-12 10:21:36

Buggerlugs, I've read that a follicle is healthy up to 30mm. I doubt you'll be scanned again due to the holidays but will you be having the day 21 progesterone test to confirm ovulation? Are you on Clomid?

I had a lovely hike in temp this morning just to confirm I ov'd yesterday. I feel so triumphant knowing I have four days' worth of sperm up there and we managed to DTD as I was ovulating, too! (felt the pain for around four hours) They do say, however, that sperm needs a good ten hours of being in situ before the egg is released. Any opinions? I so want yesterday's semen to count blush I'm glad the baby-making efforts are over just in time for Christmas. This last week has been hellish getting DP to ejaculate four times in a row with his 'issues'. I feel rather triumphant that we did all we could and more If I'm not pregnant this time I am confident the problem lies with DP and his 3% morphology. At least we have one round of IUI to look forward to hmm

Good luck to all awaiting BFP's and appointments in the New Year and blessings to those carrying precious babies.

viviennewestwould Mon 24-Dec-12 10:33:35

Thinking of you, Mo - really wishing you peace x

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 24-Dec-12 11:14:32

Yep Viv Clomid. 50mg. I'm being scanned again on Thursday, right in the middle of my day when I should be packing to go to to London on Friday.

I feel better reading about the 30mm thing.

highlove Mon 24-Dec-12 11:28:02

Thanks Weller for sharing that - I appreciate it.

Bugger...I was somebody who apparently ovulated ok, had progesterone test several times in the early days of tests and it always showed ovulation. Got put on Clomid (50mg) and didn't bloody ovulate...everything developed perfectly then it just never quite happened, even with the addition of a trigger shot to force ovulation. Got put up to 100mg and ovulated fine. Just thought I'd share my experience of Clomid seeming to interfere and make things worse till we got the dose right. But I remember well feeling pretty devastated the first few months when it didn't seem to work - it scared me that there was something more seriously wrong and I got myself in a right old state. I hope you are ok.

Merry merry Christmas to everyone. Hope we all get to graduate in 2013 x

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Mon 24-Dec-12 12:22:29

Thank you high, thats also good to hear. When I went on CD 14 & 16 they mentioned possibly doubling the dose next month so I shouldn't really moan as they are clearly on the ball and happy to provide more drugs without further tests. I'm not sure how many more posts DH would be happy to jizz into! smile

gingernutdreams Mon 24-Dec-12 16:35:55

Hello all!

I know I have not posted for ages, but just thought I'd pop back to say Merry Christmas to you all. smile

I have really been struggling lately since my mc hence why I have not felt able to post. I have had level 1 immunes done (which was a nightmare as I had to have 9 vials of blood taken and my stupid veins shrank away and refused to give any until I had been stuck with the needle 4 or 5 times, and the consultant anaesthetist had to get involved to finally get some off me!!) and we now await the results of that. I am pretty scared as to what they will find, but on the upside, at least we may finally be able to find a solution and get and hold on to the elusive BFP! hmm

Hello to our newbies: viviennewestwould, JustplainoldBuggerlugs, Luckystarfour, Chocoloco and Highlove. It sounds like you have all been on the emotional rollercoaster that is assisted conception, and I truly hope you all manage to graduate in 2013.

Hi to lovely Pocket, such good news to hear of your 12 week scan, and all being fine!

Weller lovely to hear your 6 week scan went well and you heard/saw the flickering heart beat.

Badger I cannot believe mini badger arrives so soon now (though probably not soon enough for you). How exciting!

Sunny sorry to hear you are finding the festive period tough (me too), but good that you are looking to 2013 in a positive light. I'm sure this will be your (our) year!

Mini lovely news re your 12 week scan too, and maybe a boy ey? That's great!

Vallin when is your FET again? Fingers firmly crossed for you sweetie.

Hoops forgive me, but I can't remember where you are up to? Are you still weighing up your options?

Special hugs and kisses for Mo. I hope you are being good to yourself and taking all the time and help you need hun.

Hi to Bugsy and Italian if you are still out there, and anyone else I may have missed.

biscuit biscuit


viviennewestwould Mon 24-Dec-12 21:37:42

Buggerlugs, each time I've been scanned my follicles have measured between 23 and 26mm and the consultant has been thrilled at those sizes. Each time I have gone on to ovulate. I think it's very easy to become panicked during the first couple of Clomid cycles. We expect a lot from this drug - and quickly - and then fret when we think it's not working. You have told me nothing to make me think you won't ovulate this month, however, if you don't, it's not the end of the world...100mg is just around the corner. Good luck for Thursday smile

Thanks for the welcome, Ginger.

vallinnapod Mon 24-Dec-12 22:53:51

Happy Christmas ladies smile

Ginger FET likely to be towards end of Jan. We had hopes it would be December but the clinic messed dates up with their lab closing.

vallinnapod Mon 24-Dec-12 22:54:32

Sorry <waves> should have also said hiya grin

I hope you all had a very Happy Christmas ladies.

Sunnyg and gingernutdreams thank you for name checking me, so kind.

I am about to go on my prep course for adoption next month. I feel very happy about it and that all my fertility journey has come to this now, so feel very positive.

God Bless you all.

JustplainoldBuggerlugs Thu 27-Dec-12 19:00:21

Well if i can't drink, i'm gonna bloody well eat chocolate smile

I have ovulated, on Xmas day they think. Blood test to confirm next Wednesday.

I feel so so bloated.

viviennewestwould Thu 27-Dec-12 19:41:44

Buggerlugs, I knew it! Well done, old girl smile

I feel a million times better having returned to weight training today. Could literally feel the calories melting away. Hurrah!

Hi ladies just caught up a bit and see care of Sunnyg’s lovely post that badger and scrummy are having babies. I know I should not be surprised on an assisted conception thread and also in the conception section of mumsnet! But I hadn’t ralised so a hug well done and hope all will go well.

* beginning , pocket, mini, *weller and others - l have also just heard you are expecting, am so pleased for you all.

chocoloco, you weren’t on here before with a different chocolate related name were you? Just checking as we had a choco person a long time ago, and I miss her.

Happy New year an huge hugs to Bugsy, Lizzy, Keziah, Josie, Lucy, Teds Beginnings*, Maple, Pumpkinjoy, Scarlett and Mo - greetings one and all.

Chocolate boobs to all biscuit biscuit and HUGE hugs to one and all.


OOPSE, I sent before I was ready and had missed off some names, so sorry, this is the proper message.....

Hi ladies just caught up a bit and see care of Sunnyg’s lovely post that badger and scrummy are having babies. I know I should not be surprised on an assisted conception thread and also in the conception section of mumsnet! But I hadn’t ralised so a hug well done and hope all will go well.

* beginning , pocket, mini, *weller and others - l have also just heard you are expecting, am so pleased for you all.

chocoloco, you weren’t on here before with a different chocolate related name were you? Just checking as we had a choco person a long time ago, and I miss her.

Happy New year an huge hugs to Sunnyg, Vics, chicken, Euro, Ellie, Bugsy, Lexie, Vallinapod*, Lizzy, Keziah, Josie, Lucy, Teds Beginnings*, Maple, Pumpkinjoy, Scarlett and Mo - greetings one and all.

Chocolate boobs to all biscuit biscuit and HUGE hugs to one and all.


Pocket1 Fri 28-Dec-12 16:09:16

Italian how lovely that you popped in. I posted a message on here last week for you and looks like you felt the calling. smile How wonderful that your a huge step closer to adoption and what a lucky little boy or girl to be joining your family. Hope that your dreams come true in 2013 grin

Beginningofthejourney Fri 28-Dec-12 18:19:03

Hello everyone I haven't posted for a while but have been checking in to see how everyone is, hope you all had a good Christmas.
I had my 12 week scan today, the scanning lady (can't remember the technical name!) asked the consultant to rescan to check the cord as she thought there might be a small hernia, luckily consultant was able to check there and then, she didn't seem to find anything or have any concerns but has booked me in for another scan in 4 weeks, due to her lack of concern I'm taking at an opportunity to have another look at bubba and nothing to worry about!

gingernutdreams Fri 28-Dec-12 18:36:42

Here here Italian, I echo what Pocket said and hope all goes well with your prep course for your adoption.

Beginning try not to worry, you seem to be in good hands, and they are being very thorough.

Vivienne well done you on getting back to weight training! I need to get my arse in gear again too, as feel very fat and lethargic.

Buggerlugs good to hear you have ovulated. Keeping fingers crossed for you, and hope your dreams come true in 2013 too!

Happy New Year to all you lovely ladies1

Thanks Pocket, I can't find your message, can you re-post or pm me. I am so pleased all is well with you.

Pocket1 Sun 30-Dec-12 10:42:19

Hi Italian I cant find my post either but I just wished you well, said that we missed you and hoped that your adoption plans were coming together. Wow just think, there may well be a little girl or boy joining you for next Christmas! grin xxx

Pocket1 Sun 30-Dec-12 10:44:29

Beginning congrats that's great news that you've reached that 12 week milestone. I agree you seem to be in good hands - and yes, another opportunity to see the LO! xxx

Thanks Ginger and Pocket. Yes, would love it if the little one came for Christmas! But who knows! Hugs.

Teds77 Mon 31-Dec-12 09:59:26

Sorry for long time absence - my littlies do keep me pretty busy completely shagged.

Mo I'm so very very sorry for your loss and have been thinking of you. I do hope that your journey in 2013 is a good one, whatever route you decide to take next xxx.

Italian so lovely to hear your news and also hope that 2013 brings you joy and a very lucky little boy or girl xxx.

Pocket am so totally over the moon that your little one is growing well. I know I've been a rubbish poster since the twinks arrived but I'm so pleased that after travelling part of this road with you, and your ups and downs, that this time next year you'll be as tired happy as me wink

scummy and badger not sure who is due first but I'll be looking out for news of the first AC baby of 2013!

weller so delighted to hear your news too and I'll also be looking out for your updates.

sunnyg and bugsy I shall be making a little wish at midnight that 2013 is your year. Don't stop believing xxx.

To everyone else I've missed - loads of good wishes for 2013.

As for us - the twins are a little over five months. They are wonderful but life tends to be a bit of a blur! I wouldn't change it for the world.. though if some one offered me a nanny, a cook or a cleaner I might be willing to accommodate that... grin

wellerbabe Mon 31-Dec-12 19:14:14

Happy New Year to you all. May the luck stay with those of us that have had happy stories to tell this year and may it come to all the other ladies on here in 2013

Don't stop believing gringringrin

viviennewestwould Mon 31-Dec-12 20:50:45

Happy New Year, ladies, and blessings and peace be upon us all in 2013 smile

Pocket1 Mon 31-Dec-12 22:36:28

Happy 2013 to each and every one of you. Hoping for bfps and babies for everyone grin. Don't stop believing x

Frosticle Tue 01-Jan-13 11:55:06

Just logged in quickly to wish all you lovely ladies a very Happy New Year!! grin

Apologies for going AWOL - a combination of being busy with work, DP and I having a very nasty cold/cough (which weeks later we still haven't shaken off!), a burglary to contend with and the usual Xmas rush being to blame. You are however very much in my thoughts and I do log in to check on your progress.

Best wishes for a New Year filled with love, happiness and a healthy bouncing baby (or two) for each and every one of us!! 2013, this is our year, ladies!! grin grin grin

I also want to say a BIG thank you and hugs to you all for all your wonderful support and advice in 2012.


highlove Wed 02-Jan-13 06:06:35

Hello, just stoping in to wish everyone a very very happy new year. Hope those of you that have already had your BFPs have super straightforward pregnancies before meeting your lovely babies. And for the rest of us, I hope for plenty of lovely BFPs.

I've got till early March until I start injections for round two. My 'project' between now and then is to get my BMI down to 25. It's not too far away - was just under 27 before I ate and drank my own body weight Christmas but suspect it might be a little over that right now. So boring days ahead for me but hoping this will give me something other than

highlove Wed 02-Jan-13 06:13:53

Oops hit 'post' too soon. I was going to say other that infertility to obsess about while I wait!

Anyway, enough of me. How are you all doing? Glad to be the other side of Christmas?!

buggerlugs fab news that you ovulated - well done!

Hoophopes Wed 02-Jan-13 11:49:58

Happy new year to all.

Italian hope all goes well with adoption meetings for you!

Teds great to hear twins doing so well.

Lovely to hear of scans and all going ok for people.

My 10mth old ds is having his nap and we just had our first christmas as parents after our 7yr journey!! Doesn't stop me wanting a 2nd, so now understand those people trying for 2nd on this journey. Really am thankful for our little one and hope people here are as successful as we eventually were.

BadgerFace Thu 03-Jan-13 09:22:25

Happy NY ladies, it's all about 2013!!

Highlove, I was in a very similar position to you this time last year. Started my injections in March and also was trying to lower my BMI from 27 to 25 starting with a January healthy eating plan. I lost just under 1.5 stone (and I must admit, I was quite lazy on the exercise front, just tried to walk everywhere I could). I am now 37 weeks and this morning I am back at the weight I started at a year later. Weird how things go full circle. Wishing you the very best of luck for your cycle.

DSB everyone. It only takes one egg and one sperm (and sometimes a bit of medical intervention, but we ladies are strong, and can cope with that grin).

highlove Fri 04-Jan-13 10:15:20

Badger that's brilliant - 1.5 stone is great. And got you the right result too! You will be my inspiration as I eat nothing but salad! Do you mind me asking - was it your first IVF cycle? It will be our second. Anyway, hope you are feeling ok - not long to go now, so exciting..

Hope everyone else is ok.

BadgerFace Fri 04-Jan-13 10:51:29

Yes, it was our first cycle, we were very lucky. DH had low volume at the beginning of our investigations although this had improved dramatically by egg collection day - I am sure because we gave up drinking for 3 months prior to transfer and he took the recommended vitamins etc.

Dietwise we used My Fitness Pal which really helped give me the push to try and walk several miles a day because you could see in calorie terms that you could then have some more food and still be under your target for the day, so no need to cut out all the things you love. We live in London so it was easy to work in to my daily commute.

Good luck!

sunnyg Fri 04-Jan-13 17:04:09

Hi all and Happy New Year!
I hope you've all had a lovely Christmas and are as happy as I am that it is a new year.
AFM my festive mini-break from this fertility business didn't really happen as I've been back and forward to the clinic. Finished my monitoring cycle on Christmas eve and it's been pretty full-on since then. My monitoring cycle showed everything was normal (loving normal right now) but my immunes came back with elevated NK Cells so it looks like it's steroids and intrapillids for me. No mention of IVIG yet but I think they are purposely quite vague to keep their options open.

So it's been 3 days of 7.30am bloods, scans and today had a hystercopsy. I believe the ARGC bootcamp has officially started and ladies of ARGC past and present I now understand what you mean, it's relentless! So much so that I haven't really yet even had time to process it all, like the change in protocol from long to short from my last clinic, and that my AMH has basically halved in 6 months, but at the moment my motto is 'roll with it'.

Today is day 2 of stimms and as DH out of town have had to learn fast about injections as he did them last cycle. I don't particularly have a needle fear, just a bit uncoordinated!

So apologies for the bit of the 'me' post. I will try to catch up with all of your festive news over the weekend. In the meantime I hope you are all well and believing in 2013!

hugs to all


Pocket1 Fri 04-Jan-13 19:21:49

Sunny. I've got a bit of a tear in my eye as I'm so pleased you're already into it. Please God you get your well earned and well deserved bfp very soon. smile

highlove Sat 05-Jan-13 12:57:32

Thanks for the my fitness pal tip badger I've signed up. My DH has even just said he plans to as well...we'll see how long that lasts though!

sunny ARGC sound pretty relentless, though I guess that's why their stats are so amazing. We're not in London any more - if we were I think I'd be going there for my next cycle but if that doesn't work, then we might have to think about how we could go there even though we're now two hours away. Anyway hope you are feeling ok with it all and positive that you really are in the very best hands.

sunnyg Sat 05-Jan-13 15:17:14

pocket and hoops thank you both for your encouragement. It's certainly busy, but so far it's going fine. Actually one thing I've found so far is that it doesn't give me much time to think and analyse as things change so far. However I suspect that'll change once I'm on the bench!

sunnyg Sat 05-Jan-13 15:17:44

ooops sorry I meant highlove. Brain very fuzzy currently!

MiniH Sun 06-Jan-13 08:30:59

Morning all and happy 2013. Have been AWOL for a while and just enjoying a bit of time off work.

weller congrats on your 6w scan. Sounds like all is going well.

pocket yay on your 12w scan as well. The first 12w really are the slowest but time has started to pass more quickly since then for me.

italian so lovely to hear from you and that you are starting your adoption course. I hope it goes well and that the process is quick for you.

sunnyg woohoo on starting your cycle. I still have very fresh memories of those 7:30am blood tests so I am feeling your pain. It will go by quite quickly though and like you say until the 2ww you have so little time to even think - and as they call you in for blood tests during 2ww typically you don't get much time even then.

hoop that sounds like a lovely Christmas with baby David.

Afm, we are almost 16w now and I definitely have a little bump. Getting a little hard to hide so going to have to tell people very soon. I had a tiny bit of spotting last week which dr thinks was cervical erosion but because I'm a paranoid AC lady I had a reassurance scan on Friday and thankfully all was fine. Baby looks more 'baby' like than did at 12w - bit more real somehow. We had it done at place called the birth company and they email you the scan as well which is so nice as can now watch it every day if I want (and share with my mum). Really hope that movements start soon as having had weekly scans for so long it is quite weird having nothing now for weeks. Think I may have felt a flutter but not sure.

Hope everyone is well. Xx

tillyann2013 Sun 06-Jan-13 10:22:03

Hello everyone, I've just joined mn and fund this thread. Can I join please? Struggling a bit at the moment to be honest, ttc #2 for 18 months and getting nowhere.

I'm 37 and dh is 36, no issues and have a 2.5 year old ds. Went to doc at 1 year ttc and she referred us to fertility unit who done bloods and tests and confirmed all was working but they'd put me on 50g of clomid for a jump start. Still nothing, had a hsg end of november to check tubes and they were all clear too. We are now due to start iui next cycle. Well, would have been this one but missed the baseline scan date due to Christmas hols so yet another month goes by. sad

We fell pg with ds after 8 months and using cbfm, have just purchased another one so fingers crossed. Would like to share this journey before I lose the plot completely!!!!

gingernutdreams Sun 06-Jan-13 20:32:00

Happy New Year All!

Sunny I am so glad you are back on the AC train and I think ARGC was exactly the right choice for you! I bet it is a lot to get your head round and sounds intense, but if it finally does the trick and brings you a lovely little 2013 bubba then it will all be worthwhile. smile I have fingers and toes crossed for you that all goes swimmingly.

Badger I can't believe you are 37 weeks! Not long now ey? How exciting! smile

Teds how lovely to hear from you and glad to hear your twins are doing well.

Highlove good luck with the weight loss in prep for your 2nd cycle in March. I have lost weight with Slimming World and would recommend it to anyone. smile

Hi Mini and how great to hear you are now 16 weeks gone and developing a little bump and possible a flutter too, am really excited for you! Sorry to hear you had a little spotting, but glad the scan showed all is ok. Keep us all posted on your progress, won't you.

Welcome Tilly and good luck with the iui. The ladies on here are very supportive, welcoming and informative, so I hope you will settle in and share your journey with us. smile

Hello to Frostie, Hoops, Pocket, Bugsy, Buggerlugs, Vivienne, Italian, and anyone else I have missed.

Special hugs to Mo who I hope is taking good care of herself, you are in my thoughts still sweetie.

AFM, I am going back to CARE next week to see one of the counsellors, to try and prepare myself for the next cycle (well FET) and to try and talk through some of my feelings following my mc last Sep. I am also waiting for the results of my level 1 immune testing to come through, which I expect in about 2-3 weeks, so we can formulate a plan as to how to proceed (what meds etc to take in conjunction with the FET). Then it is just a matter of finding the money for it all, and trying to find the strength to try again. Wish me luck ladies!


BadgerFace Sun 06-Jan-13 20:35:14

Hello ladies, just checking in to let you know of the early arrival of Molly May BadgerFace yesterday morning at 4.28am by emergency csection. All a bit dramatic but we're doing well and should hopefully be released home tomorrow.

good luck to you all on your next cycles. DSB, miracles happen!



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Pocket1 Sun 06-Jan-13 21:16:35

Oh Badger hugest congratulations on the arrival of gorgeous Molly May. I can't tell you how welcome your good news is grin

Hoophopes Sun 06-Jan-13 21:16:54

Badger congratulations on birth of your daughter!! Glad you home soon, enjoy your daughter and those wonderful firsts!!

sunnyg Mon 07-Jan-13 10:04:42

Ohmigosh badger a HUGE congratulations to you on the arrival of the beautiful Molly May Badgerface! So thrilled for you and has given me a huge pick me up. Hope you both continue to do well. Enjoy this special time xox

Frosticle Mon 07-Jan-13 11:28:15

Badger that is just the BEST news!! Congratulations on the safe arrival of your beautiful baby girl. I hope you make a speedy recovery from the C-section. Enjoy, enjoy, enjoy!!

vallinnapod Mon 07-Jan-13 12:12:46

CONGRATULATIONS Badger!!! What a fabulous start to the year grin

Quick, me-me-me, questions: Anyone been on Progynova before? I started on Friday and feel quite crampy. Could this be my lining getting thick quick? <total wishful thinking emoticon>

highlove Mon 07-Jan-13 16:41:51

Badger that is so so wonderful. Huge congratulations and enjoy every second. Lovely news. This has brightened my day up - hope it's the first of many lovely AC babies this year.

sunnyg Mon 07-Jan-13 18:35:51

Hello All

Such wonderful news about the arrival of minibadger today. It's all given us a real boost I think.

vivien how are things going? Love the name change - very glam.

Italian it's great to hear things are going forward on the adoption front. Keep us posted my dear.

buggerlugs I'm sorry this is a bit late - just catching up but I was too glad to hear you ovulated. What's the next step for you?

Mini wow 16 weeks already! I'm sorry to hear you had some spotting. That would completely send me into panic and I'd also have no qualms about going for a reassurance scan. After all you've been through I'd do it in a flash. But I'm glad the scan showed mini mini is doing well, Keep us posted.

ginger thanks for your encouragement my dear. Very sweet of you. It's definately busy at Argy but already I feel I can't fault them. Very, very thorough. I'm so glad you are starting to make plans and I think the counselling is a very good idea. Getting over a MC would always be horrible, but somehow I just feel getting over a MC after going through IVF is just beyond horrible. So taking steps such as seeing a counsellor to deal with those feelings and getting help to prepare for the next cycle is a really, really good idea. I had my immunes done through ARGC of course so I'll be interested to hear how yours come back.

ted lovely to hear about your twins - how old are they now?

vallinapod I'm sorry I've never been on progynova and I don't know much about it. But I'm sure someone on here has and can help.

Tilly welcome to the lovely AC thread. You'll find great wisdom, support and laughs here.

All going well here, stimming along, speaking of which I have to get going to bed. Yes early night for moi. My day starts with a 5am jab and then off to Argy for bloods at 7.30am. Had Ivig today - ouch so expensive but that's how it goes. Hope you are all well.

DSB! oxox

wellerbabe Mon 07-Jan-13 19:07:42

Wow welcome to the world minibadger that was a surprise ! Hope you are both doing ok gringringrin

vallinnapod Mon 07-Jan-13 20:45:52

Sunny what's IVIG?

LissySilver Mon 07-Jan-13 22:03:48

Yay Badger!!!! Mazel tov on the birth of your beautiful daughter.

To all the other ladies, I'm wishing you all BFP's in 2013.

I'm always lurking, and an ARGC graduate, so if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask.

viviennewestwould Tue 08-Jan-13 14:41:35

Congratulations Badger!! thanks

SunnyG, thanks for asking, I'm having relationship problems at the moment which is why I've been quiet. My wonderful, selfless, 2.5 years-sober partner had a relapse on Saturday. We are devastated but working through this catastrophe. I am reading, though, and cheering you all on.

viviennewestwould Tue 08-Jan-13 14:44:08

...what I have learned though, is this: Michael is more important to me than a baby. He is the love of my life and I will fight to help restore his faith in himself. Being childless is no longer the worst thing that can happen to me. It is losing Michael - or myself - to this horrible, insidious addiction.

Scrummybump Tue 08-Jan-13 15:31:14

Congratulations to badger on the safe arrival of Molly thanks grin thanks grin
Sorry to hear it was all a bit dramatic, but try and focus on the positive outcome. I hope your recovery is quick. Just take it easy and focus on the baba and you.

sunnyg I see you are on the ARGC rollercoaster now - just chill and go with it. I'll be keeping my eye out for your news.

minih wow - 16 weeks...once you start to feel the movement, it takes pregnancy to a different level again.

I have some baby news myself - our scrumptious little boy entered the world on New Year's Eve by -another- emergency c-section. At one week old he is just an angel and we are totally smitten!

Hello to italian pocket mo weller and others

I hope 2013 brings you all that special BFP! Don't stop believing

vallinnapod Tue 08-Jan-13 16:18:13

Yay scrummy grin

Hoophopes Tue 08-Jan-13 17:06:59

Oh congratulations Scrummy - hope you all well at home and enjoying each other lots.

Pocket1 Tue 08-Jan-13 18:11:06

Scrummy fabulous news. Massive congratulations to you gringringrin

sunnyg Tue 08-Jan-13 18:15:31

More fantastic arrival news! Wonderful news Scrummy and welcome to your little boy. I hope you are both well and looking forward to your updates.

Lissy - great to hear from you. I will definately let you know if I have any ARGC questions.

vivienne sorry to hear about your relationship problems. It's not easy this fertility business and combined with other pressures in life can make for very trying times. Sounds like you are committed to helping him and I'm you'll do it. We are here for you so lean on us for support.

Vallinnapod IVIG is a drip, a blood product that is given to those with immunes issues, specifically elevated NK cells. Agate on Fertility Friends has a huge forum on it if you are interested. Raised NK cells can affect implantation/miscarriage so the drip is to calm your system down.

highlove Tue 08-Jan-13 18:45:06

Oooh another lovely baby. Massive congratulations scrummy

gingernutdreams Tue 08-Jan-13 20:40:15

Huge congrats to both Badger and Scrummy, so pleased for you both! Hope you both recover quickly from the C-sections and enjoy being new mummies! smile thanks

Vivienne so sorry to hear about your relationship problems, and that your DP has been struggling. It is good though that you sound so determined to help him and I'm sure you will both get through this. Huge hugs, and feel free to off load on here when you need to.

Thanks Sunny for your comments re the counselling. It is tomorrow and I am quite nervous, but am hoping that if I can open up it may help me put my feelings in order and give me the strength to prepare for the results of my immunes and the next stage of our journey.

I won't Stop Believing

biscuit biscuit

LissySilver Tue 08-Jan-13 20:41:21

Yay Scrummy!!! Mazel tov on your lovely son! Hope you have a quick and easy recovery...

viviennewestwould Tue 08-Jan-13 20:52:13

Sunny, thank you so much for that and much luck with your treatment.

Ginger, thank you, too, for your kind words and I hope tomorrow proves to be healing for you.

Congratulations, Scrummy, how wonderful! thanks

wellerbabe Wed 09-Jan-13 06:43:48

scrummy wonderful news and congratulations gringringrin

MiniH Wed 09-Jan-13 09:06:05

Stupid phone lost my post.

Huge congrats to scrummy and badger - just amazing news.

vivienne we are here if you ever need to vent or for support. We might be an AC thread but we are pretty good listeners.

sunnyg ouch re ivig. On my way to the dungeon now for intralipids. Cheaper I know but still was a bit of a surprise as last immunes were clear.

ginger best of luck with the counsellor. I hope you click with him/her as I've always found that is the biggest hurdle at the start. Let us know how it goes.


gingernutdreams Wed 09-Jan-13 16:34:18

Thanks Mini, Vivienne and Sunny, I have been to the counselling session, and my counsellor (a woman) was really nice. She asked lots of questions and provided her own observations based on what I was saying, so the conversation flowed fairly well and I think she got a good picture of how I was feeling. She encouraged me to open up more to my friends or family as I have been bottling things up and trying to power through, so not really given myself time to deal with our loss. I am also going to book another session with her once we have received our results of the immune tests and have seen the consultant to discuss our options re proceeding with a FET with or without medication. I think it will help to be able to off load once I get back on that rollercoaster that is AC.

Hope all you lovely ladies are ok. brew and biscuit to you all.


highlove Wed 09-Jan-13 20:20:53

Ginger your counselling session sounds positive. I also suffered a mc last year followed by a failed cycle. Wasn't sure what I'd get out if it having seen a counsellor a couple of years who TBH I just found a bit wet and irritating! The lady I'm seeing now is brilliant - don't about you but I found simply someone acknowledging what a thoroughly shitty time I'd had (like you I don't talk about it much) and also helping me articulate some of the emotions I am feeling was really helpful. I think it's really helpful to stick with but, like others have said, if it's not the right counsellor then try another till you get the right dynamic.

vivienne sorry you're having such a rotten time. I hope you are both doing ok.

sunny hope the ARGC assault course is going and you're as relaxed as it's possible to be.

AFM, this week is when our baby would have been due so I'm finding it a bit tough. I was desperate to be pregnant again and probably rushed into IVF as soon as I could as a result. It's crap all this, isn't it.

Hope you are all ok and January's not being too depressing.

viviennewestwould Wed 09-Jan-13 22:07:39

Ginger, sounds like your counselling went well. I think we/others sometimes underestimate quite how gruelling this journey is. I hope you find some peace.

Mini and Highlove, thank you for your concern. Highlove, I'm sorry your due date is imminent. Mine was 8th October and I was dreading not being pregnant again by then. It was a strange day where I found myself not grieving for my dead baby whatsoever - just feeling sorry for myself that I wasn't yet pregnant again. So then I spent the rest of the day feeling guilty that my grief was misplaced. I hope you gain some perspective and hope for the future.

gingernutdreams Thu 10-Jan-13 21:09:09

Thanks Highlove and Vivienne, I think the counselling did help, or at least will start to help as I have more sessions and get used to finally talking about all the things I have bottled up inside since the mc. I think you and Mini are right about needing to get the right counsellor, who you click with, and I think maybe I have. It felt more like a conversation with a friend, so that has to be a positive thing.
I'm sorry you both have also had to deal with a mc, and have both had to deal with what should have been your due date coming around, these milestones are very hard, aren't they. I hope you both achieve your dreams this year, and also find the strength to carry on with this journey. We have had some good success stories on this thread, so once again ladies... Don't Stop Believing

smile smile

BadgerFace Fri 11-Jan-13 11:23:43

Congrats Scrummy, what fantastic news, and sneaking into 2012!

Highlove Sorry to heart it's a difficult week for you. Hopefully you might find things less raw once your due date has passed.

Good luck to everyone with cycles going on this week. I will continue to lurk and follow your journeys and i'm so grateful to those of you who shared in mine. I shall be on hand especially for when people need to vent about seeing in jugs etc.

Big love and DSB and remembrance on the days that you feel at the bottom of the roller-coaster of emotions that the next stop can only be on the up... Or I shall pop in and remind you!

sunnyg huge hugs my dear. I saw you had IVG, have you also looked into Intralipids (a cheaper version but not a blood product). Thinking of you.

Badger huge hugs and congrats to you.

Can't find scrummy's post, what did she say!!!! Nosy icon.

Hugs to Mini and all, prep course going well.

Hoophopes Sat 12-Jan-13 18:48:25

Scrummy ooh another thread baby, congratulations on your gorgeous little boy!!

vallinnapod Sat 12-Jan-13 18:58:21

Lining scan today showed 4.6, which isn't fab. I need to get to 8. They have upped my progynova to 8mg and I have another scan on Tuesday. Anyone got any experience of this? Interestingly my acupuncturist said I should ask about Viagra as it is often used in poor response cases. Again, any thoughts?

I hope the snow doesn't scupper me getting to the clinic confused

MiniH Sat 12-Jan-13 19:40:39

I know a few ladies who took Viagra for lining at Argc. Seemed to work but just be aware that it increases blood flow to your 'lady bits' too ie apparently they get quite engorged and swollen. Worth it if it works though

sunnyg Sun 13-Jan-13 17:30:25

ginger it sounds like the counselling was really worth while. And good to hear you are going to book another session. I think it's great to have someone who's non-judgemental and who will really listen to you.

Highlove sorry it's been a difficult week for you. I hope things are on the up.

vivienne how are things with you and your DP now?

mini may see you in the dungeon sometime. I've only had one IVIG so far but I'm sure Mr T has more up his sleeve!

Vallinpod sorry to hear about your lining. What day of Stims are you on? I'm not on viagra but I like Mini have heard quite a few women at ARGC are on it. I would think it's something to have a look into and ask about at your clinic. I wonder if that combined with your acupucture could potentially make quite a difference.

All good here - day 11 of stims and it's very busy with twice-daily bloods and often a scan or two thrown in for good measure. No news of EC yet but they are starting to reduce meds so I guess getting close. Other than that not much happening, with 1 litre of milk and 3.5 litres of water to get through each day I don't have time for much else apart from toilet stops!!!

Big hugs to all and thanks for your kind look in Italian

Scrummy and badger we hope your bubs are doing well. Keep us posted!


vallinnapod Sun 13-Jan-13 19:11:49

Sunny it's an FET so I am just on Progynova to thicken my lining. Fingers crossed for Tuesday.

MiniH Mon 14-Jan-13 16:58:33

sunny eek, 3.5l water! shock thankfully they only had me on the 2l water plus 1l milk (that is, until last 48 hours when they upped it to 3l I think, but that was to try and flush the system as they were coasting me and levels were still high). I really hope you get to EC soon - it is very frustrating not being able to plan when it is and so often I would wait for the call just wondering if today would be my day, but it will be here soon no doubt. That ARGC free day between trigger and EC is AMAZING!

sunnyg Mon 14-Jan-13 17:25:10

mini I've now been told to edge towards 4L water plus the 1L milk!!! I may never leave the toilet at this point!

Just had news, trigger tonight so EC set for Wednesday. I cannot wait for that 'day off' from ARGC tomorrow! It's going to be so weird not going in, but I'm going to love it! Wish me luck for Wednesday!

Vallinnapod fingers crossed for tomorrow's scan. Let us know how you get on.

Hugs to all oxo

highlove Mon 14-Jan-13 22:17:34

Wow sunny feels like you got there quickly. You probably don't feel that way though! Will keep my fingers crossed for a bumper crop on Wednesday. Hope it goes brilliantly.

Sorry to hear about your lining vanilla - hope tomorrow's scan brings good news.

Vivienne how are you doing now? Hope you and DP are bearing up.

Weller when's your next scan? Hope all going well with you.

Hope all good with everyone else.

viviennewestwould Mon 14-Jan-13 22:45:28

Sunny, the very best of luck for Wednesday, so excited for you! Thanks, too, to you and Highlove for asking after me. We're slowly getting there.

Vallinnapod, good luck for tomorrow.

I started my voluntary work with Manchester's drug addicts and sex workers today. It felt good to be able to empathise rather than just sympathise. It made my problems pale into insignificance..

Pocket1 Tue 15-Jan-13 20:26:29

Sunny fab news. Best of luck tmw... It's your time honey! smile

MiniH Tue 15-Jan-13 20:50:00

sunny that's amazing news. I've got everything crossed for you for tomorrow and will be waiting to hear how it goes. X

gingernutdreams Tue 15-Jan-13 22:14:58

Sunny I have fingers and toes crossed for you for tomorrow. It definitely IS your time!

Vivienne I am very impressed with your news about doing voluntary work, it sounds tough, but very rewarding. It's also good to know you and DP are on the road to recovery.

Vallin how did the scan go today? Hope the lining had thickened up nicely for you.

Shout out to Hoops who if I remember correctly, conceived naturally with the use of baby aspirin (after diagnosis of blood clotting issues) and has inspired me to try taking it whilst trying naturally before we embark on our FET once we get the results of our immunes back. Our consultant had said he would put me on it for the FET so why not try taking it in the interim in case some little miracle happens? Anyway, we'll see...


vallinnapod Tue 15-Jan-13 22:19:38

Whooohooo Sunny congratulations! Enjoy your morning off too!

My lining is up 1mm from Saturday, so 5.6mm. No drugs changes, rescan on Friday.

Thanks to this thread I am drinking milk and eating froyo wink

wellerbabe Wed 16-Jan-13 06:39:51

Just popping into say Hi all. sunny good luck today will be thinking of you.

I'm 10 weeks now so waiting for NHS scan date but have had 2 scans with consultant and all good despite some bleeding which was caused by clot on placenta. smile


sunnyg Wed 16-Jan-13 17:55:53

Many thanks for your good wishes for today everyone. EC went fine, a total of 16 eggs. So far so good. I'm always a little cautious but I couldn't have asked for a better start than that. We'll see what the next (anxious!) few days bring and how many fertilise etc.

I really appreciate all of your encouragement! I felt your good vibes today!



viviennewestwould Wed 16-Jan-13 18:22:34

Crumbs, Sunny! That is bloody marvellous! Well done, old girl thanks

viviennewestwould Wed 16-Jan-13 18:24:29

My consultant today agreed to do a lap & dye on 19th Feb before referring me to CARE Manchester for IUI. I know the lap probably won't throw anything up but I'm happy to try anything.

Hope you are all well.

Beginningofthejourney Wed 16-Jan-13 18:27:20

I keep popping in to see how everyone is getting on, just wanted to say good luck sunny hope those little eggs do their thing and at least one is soon growing inside you!
I am 15 weeks now so far so good, actually starting to look at baby things in the shops (not planning on buying anything just yet though)
Hope to see lots more BFP very soon xxx

highlove Wed 16-Jan-13 19:21:48

Wow Sunny that's awesome. Hope they are busy doing their thing in the lab as I type. Good luck for tomorrow and fertilisation results - I know stressful that is. Hope you're feeling ok physically and not too sore, either.

Weller glad to hear all going well with you. All important 12 week mark is nearly here!

Feeling a bit rubbish here. After it being my due date of the pregnancy I lost last week, my period decided to do a disappearing act. Finally turned up a week late today. And needless to say, i have spent all my time a lot of time over the last week absolutely convincing myself a miracle had occurred, despite the BFN. So tonight i decided to pick a fight with my DH, because obviously that will help A LOT. <grumpy hormonal unreasonable cow emoticon>

vallinnapod Wed 16-Jan-13 19:54:18

Awesome Sunny - 16 is a fab number. In fact I got 16 with my IVF that produced DS grin

BadgerFace Thu 17-Jan-13 06:11:47

Well done sunny fab start!

and good to hear from weller and*beginnings*, so far through already!

Frosticle Thu 17-Jan-13 17:56:47

Whoop, whoop sunny!! 16 eggs is a great haul!! Now Mr T will continue to work his magic!! Everything crossed for you but tbh, you have every reason to believe. Exciting stuff!! grin

vallinnapod my lining took its time to get to the right thickness. They know what they're doing, it'll get there! Good luck!!

Hello to you all you lovely ladies!


viviennewestwould Thu 17-Jan-13 18:03:56

Highlove, I have lots and lots of sympathy for you with the torturous late period. It really does take the flipping piss. My period was two days late last month and my temperatures were beautifully lofty, too. I seriously thought I was pregnant. Damn Clomid's luteal phase lengthening powers! Anyway, do you think maybe next time testing on the day AF is due? I do believe in putting ourselves out of our misery sooner rather than later. Hope you feel better soon and are making it up to your man wink

Pocket1 Thu 17-Jan-13 20:25:26

Ooooh it's all go on here.

Weller am so pleased all is well with you. Sounds like you've bad some reassuring scans - I bled at 9 weeks and had a scan at 9 and 10 weeks. All was okay. You'll breath a sigh of relief when you get the nod after our 12 week one. Not long to wait.

Sunny well done you. Put your feet up and try and relax for a couple of days.

Viv wow, impressed by your volunteering.

Ginger you go girl. Many girls get their bfp while they're waiting for treatment - you could be next!

Highglove hugs to you. We all get tetchy when things aren't going aren't going as planned. I'm sure DP will get over it.

Hey Mummy Badger how is motherhood?

Hello Frosticle how's things with you?

Yay Beginning 15 weeks!! Have you got a bit of a bump now?

I'm 16 weeks tomorrow - saw midwife today and heard the heartbeat again. Always reassuring - and I always cry!

Hello to anyone I've missed.

Keep warm and safe in the snow. And dont stop believing grin

highlove Thu 17-Jan-13 21:26:06

Thanks lovely ladies. Feeling a bit less sorry for myself today. Good timing in that I had an appointment with my counsellor today so feel knackered (always find it super tiring) but it's helped me get some perspective. So much so I'm actually not having a meltdown over another pregnancy announcement today, this time the lady I sit next to at work. Viv have indeed apologised to my poor long-suffering husband.

Pocket how wonderful hearing you baby's heartbeat, I'm not surprised it makes you cry. How lovely. Does it feel real yet?

Sunny any news? Hope you've for lots of beautiful embryos cooking away.

Vanilla lots of luck for tomorrow's scan, I hope your lining has come on lots.

Viv good news on the lap and dye. As you say, hopefully it won't show anything, but will give you one less thing to worry about.

Keep warm everyone.

Beginningofthejourney Thu 17-Jan-13 21:30:53

Hi pocket yes I do have a bump, it seems quite big to me I would question if it was too much chocolate at Christmas but I haven't actually put on weight yet! :-) 12 week scan they said baby was perfect size for dates, have another scan at the end of the month so will see how big bubba is then! however am enjoying my maternity jeans, not sure I'm gonna want to give them up once bubba is here!
How is your bump? X

Frosticle Thu 17-Jan-13 22:13:20

Beginning - I'll be shopping for some maternity jeans this weekend (although DP is on his way back from a business trip to the US and tells me he's bought me some. Worrying.) so if you've found some good ones, I would love to know which ones they are!

Pocket - it's so lovely to get the reassurance that everything is going fine and to hear the heartbeat pounding away at double quick time. I cry at everything at the moment.

I'm 14 weeks now and have a bump which is still easy to hide if I want to. It's not that noticeable in the morning but by evening looks quite huge (to me) and I'm sure is bigger than with DD (8 years ago). I'm still wearing my normal jeans and suit trousers but probably not for much longer. I have pretty much left telling people to my mum, who is having a ball telling all the relatives the good news, and my DD, who is loving telling all our friends.

Pocket1 Fri 18-Jan-13 07:47:34

Anyone got snow yet? None in NW London yet...

Highglove I'd say it still feels a but surreal tbh... Not sure when it will feel real real!?!

Sunny what news from you and your gorgeous embies? Exciting Saturday or Monday ahead for you my love? How many will you go with do you think? I did one last year (bfp then mc), two with the summer FET (bfn) and two with the new donor fresh embies last October... I am just desperate to hear you announce your bfp! smile

Frosticle I bought these jeans from topshop[209831|208537]

They won't do for long as we will all grow out if the tummy bit but they are sooooo comfortable. And I can see me wearing them way post baby! I think the hennes ones have a bigger stretchy bit that will grow with you - but I've yet to get any. Also topshop maternity leggings are fab - and now reduced to £7!![209832|208537]

I'm 16 weeks today and my bump is small so it could go unnoticed. But it is definitely there - DP, my mum and sister regularly pat and talk to bump. As do I.

Just want to say that although I've technically graduated this thread, it feels like home. Hope no one minds us coming on to chat about bumps. Besides that, I'm keen to hear your bfps grin


Beginningofthejourney Fri 18-Jan-13 08:25:56

frosticle I got jeans and leggings from peacocks, wouldn't have thought to look there but mum got me a few maternity tops there at Christmas, also found new look good although not all stores seem to do maternity.
No snow in the south east yet, I'm just about to drive an hour away from home so hope it stays away til I'm home!
pocket I found this thread more friendly that the due date one, although they are nice on there everyone here seems more caring? But would understand if bump talk is annoying?! X

monkeyisback Fri 18-Jan-13 12:11:50

Hello everyone smile

Firstly I have to apologise - I posted last November under the name monkeybumsmum after our third cycle of IVF had ended badly. I then deleted my MN account as I was so upset with life and just wanted to change something blush Anyway, I didn't ever come back on to say thank you for the replies, so thank you to those of you who took the time to give me advice, it was appreciated, and we have now changed clinics, and have undergone immune testing. Just hope the next cycle has better news!

Anyway, I was going through my drawers and have found three unopened (single) boxes of Suprefact. Two expire in April this year, and one in February next year. Would anybody like them? I'm now classed as a low responder so won't be needing them anymore. I don't want anything for them, but didn't want to just throw them away. Let me know if somebody wants them smile

It's lovely to read all the happy bfp and birth news on this thread smile It makes you realise how amazing fertility treatments can be when they work! Congrats to all of you who are pregnant or who have just had beautiful babies!!

If it's okay I'd like to pop back now and then... I don't have much time in RL, but I will try! Happy New Year to all, hope it's a good one smile

monkeyisback Fri 18-Jan-13 12:13:44

PS I meant to say Pocket that your posts have made me smile so much. I know some of what you've been through (not sure if you remember me from other threads) and your story shows there is hope. I'm so happy for you grin

sunnyg Fri 18-Jan-13 12:21:14

Vallinnapod good news my dear that your lining has continued to move in the right direction. I hope today's scan brings more good news.

weller 10 weeks already! I bet you can't wait for that 12 week mark, although it sounds like your two previous scans have been reassuring.

Vivienne I am too impressed with your volunteering which sounds very worthwhile. I am sure the lap and dye will show all is fine but it's good to hear your consultant is being proactive.

beginning 15 weeks! You are so close to pocket. It's going to be a busy time of annoucements when all of you ladies are due. Very exciting and I hope you continue to do well.

Pocket my friend 16 weeks is fabulous. I think I would cry at every HB scan as well.

highlove counselling must have been very emotional but already you sound better for it. And stronger. Will you have more?

*Frosticle - go those maternity jeans! they sound most comfy.

How are the new mummies badger and scrummy? Hands full no doubt. Hope you are both going well and bubs are good.

Little update from me. So out of our 16 eggs, 13 were mature and 11 fertilised. Day 2 today and we have 10/11 and all are at the correct stage I've just been told. Will be called tomorrow to find out if day 3 transfer or day 5 (Monday) or split! If we can I'll definitely go for putting 2 back. I think I already knew that after the last cycle. ARGC has no problems with putting 2 back so that's good to know. I am feeling okay, a little sore today but with the snow coming down here in NE London and my little pug sleeping in front of the radiator I have very few plans today so I can't complain and will take it very easy. Gosh I had forgotten how nerve wracking it is waiting for them to call each day! Deep breath!

Oh and personally our lovely pregnant ladies, I am more than happy to hear bump talk here. I find it keeps me going to know it DOES happen and we all know what you went through to get to this stage so in my opinion share away!

Hugs to all oxo

highlove Fri 18-Jan-13 17:05:47

Fabulous Sunny 11 embryos is brilliant. Fingers crossed all continues to look excellent tomorrow. Take it easy for now.

highlove Fri 18-Jan-13 17:08:27

Oh and I agree with Sunny it's reassuring to be reminded that it does sometimes work, even when it doesn't feel like that. As you say, don't stop believing.

Hoophopes Fri 18-Jan-13 17:12:19

Congrats sunny on so many lovely embies - hope you get some to freeze too smile

Hello Monkey - I remember you. I namchanged, was Keziahhopes. I still read and keep up with people's news here, after my ds was born!! Glad you have a positive new start with a new clinic - Immunes were the way to go for us too, so hope it helps you.

Lovely to hear of little bumps appearing!!

vallinnapod Fri 18-Jan-13 19:51:14

Ohhhh congrats Sunny! Wishing you hatching like thoughts smile

Well my lining had improved by 0.1mm - so nothing really. I have been told to use patches now too. So get a script for them. Does any pharmacy in London/Surrey have them...nope so fingers cross they come in tomorrow. Even more annoying they prescribed patched they no longer make angry How can they not know that?!

highlove Fri 18-Jan-13 19:57:29

Oh Vanilla sorry it hadn't grown a bit more. And how annoying you're struggling to get the patches. But fingers crossed it does the trick.

I've been thinking about supplements. We both take his and hers conception vits and vitamin C. Have been reading about other stuff, including coenzyme Q10 apparently for egg quality and fertilisation.. Any thoughts please? Anyone take anything else interesting? Especially the graduates? Or is it all bollocks that takes advantage of desperate people?Thanks lively ladies.

highlove Fri 18-Jan-13 19:58:24

I meant lovely of course. Though I'm sure you're all lively too.

vallinnapod Fri 18-Jan-13 20:42:18

Highlove - I was pondering this today as I was sitting in the clinic waiting room reading a magazine called Fertility Road that was on the side. It itself cost £3.95 and was at least 50% adds for vitamins, random tests I have never heard of felt really, really exploitive.

I do put value in an all round conception multivit and acupuncture. To a degree I put value on massage/reflexology/cinema/take out etc if it relaxes you and takes your mind off the process.

A pregnancy multivit will tend to have 100% of all you need for the day. Often with these things if you take in more than you need then you just excrete it out of your system anyway. It's all so subjective.

Personally I take a pregnancy multivit with omega. I also take two Spatone sachets a day but I have always had slightly low iron levels. Plus weekly acupuncture.

viviennewestwould Fri 18-Jan-13 23:34:50

Sunny, congratulations, love thanks

Highlove, my consultant confirmed this week that absolutely nothing can improve the quality of our eggs, otherwise women over forty would not struggle to conceive sad

gingernutdreams Sat 19-Jan-13 13:33:17

Hi all! Gosh, there is so many posts since mine, so much going on!

Vivienne I am at CARE Manchester too, so strange to think I may bump into you at some point there, and never know! grin

Massive Well Done to Sunny!! 11 embies is fab, and great news that you want to go for the 2 going back in. Fingers and toes still crossed for you that all goes well and that BFP turns up soon. It all sounds so positive this time. smile

Highlove I am having counselling too, I also find it very tiring, my first session left me with a massive headache too, but seems to have made me feel stronger and more determined and also helped me open up more to friends about how much I really have been struggling since my mc in Sep. I hope it continues to help you. What is the next step for you with AC?

Vallin sorry to hear about your lining and the drs prescribing you patches that are no longer made, that really is rubbish! As if you don't have enough to worry about. I hope once you get the medication you need, it makes all the difference and the lining thickens up nicely.

I agree with Sunny too re our newly pregnant ladies and their bumps, and our new mummies.. it is proof that this process can work, and you lovely ladies all deserve it after everything you have gone through! smile As for those that have not got their yet, 2013 will be our year! DSB

Welcome back Monkey. Completely understand your need to stay away for a while, I too was like that for a bit. Have you had your immune results back yet? Is your next cycle fresh or Frozen? I have now been told by my clinic that our results are in and have an appointment booked with our consultant on 29th Jan so scared/excited to find out what the next step is for us (although it will involve a FET as we have 2 frozen embies).

Waves to all I have not mentioned!

vallinnapod Sat 19-Jan-13 14:01:32

Good point vivienne....seems so obvious when put that way!

highlove Sat 19-Jan-13 14:58:45

Vanilla that magazine is the waiting room at my clinic too. And agree it's utter rubbish! It's a very good point Viv; I guess if anything was proven to improve AC outcomes we'd all be told to take it by our consultants, if nothing else to make their stats better. I certainly feel there's a lot of people out their taking advantage of people in our situation and if a few years ago someone had suggested I take random supplements I'd never heard of, I'd have sweetly told them to bugger off. Now though - being desperate - I'm more open to any old snake oil. Frankly if someone told me to dance naked in the snow in Waitrose carpark and it would get me pregnant, I'd totally do it. Fortunately for the shoppers in Waitrose, I'm yet to find advice I try that grin

Sunny hope your little beauties are still doing great. You might even have them on board by now, so fingers and toes firmly crossed that this is your time.

Ginger thanks for asking. Ready to start our second ICSI next cycle. I'm only CD 4 and as I'm long protocol, realistically looks like I'll start down-regging early March. So a few weeks to go yet. When are you thinking you'll be ready to try again?

Happy Saturday everyone, stay warm.

Hoophopes Sat 19-Jan-13 16:45:44

We were told by our Care clinic that my dh should take supplements due to his poor morphology (lack of motility, poor numbers, generally poor quality sperm and high antibody level!) They recommended Menevit, which is not sold in UK, or getting 6 or 7 different type of separate supplements to do what Menevit did. So we bought Menevit mail order from New Zealand/Australia, worked out including postage £15 a month. His situation did improve on next few tests (he had 4 SA's), can't claim it was the menevit but personally NHS doctors don't accept intralipids or IVIG and I happily paid for that treatment and so on, so was happy to accept the clinic recommending a product they couldn't financially benefit from.

Dh just started high dose Vit C, menevit again - as desperate for a natural miracle number 2. For those that don't know we had ICSI after 7yrs ttc#1, had 5 eggs, 4 fertilised but my only blast didn't implant. Had immune testing, found 6 issues, but had to wait 12 weeks to see the immune specialist - however in that time we had our only ever bfp (natural miracle) and were blessed by having that long awaited appointment and as were under clinic for 2nd IVF attempt they gave us private prescriptions for medications to maintain pregnancy. Now have a 10mth old ds. Cannot get immune medication again as clinic will not prescribe unless you paying for an IVF cycle with them and don't want to do IVF again. So for me, the thyroid medication they put me on, the daily baby aspirin I took and dh's supplements were the only changes we made after 7yrs ttc! Not saying it will work again, or I will not eventually persuade dh to do IVF, but for now natural and supplements is all I can do!!

Sunnyg thinking of you.

gingernutdreams Sat 19-Jan-13 21:13:17

All the very best of luck Highlove with your second ICSI cycle. I'm not sure when we will go for the FET. Our appointment with the consultant is 29th Jan, so hopefully we should be able to get going in Feb or maybe March too. Would be great if we could be cycle buddies (even if our cycles will be slightly different). smile

Good to hear from you Hoops. Are you now trying naturally for your second? I really hope you get another natural miracle and that all goes well for you.

Hoophopes Sat 19-Jan-13 21:55:33

Thanks ginger - yes trying naturally for our second now. Not expecting it, always said one would be amazing, but will regret it if don't try. Not at stage of being addicted to my fertility monitor - not using it yet! - but am 37 so don't want to wait! Dh told to take 1000mg of Vit C and the menevit again and I am still on the Zita West vitamins due to still breastfeeding my 10mths old ds. May start accupuncture in 6mths or so to try and help - as that is the only other thing I did. On levothyroxine and aspirin now. Have stored about a weeks supply of all the immune medication I had to take - hoping if I get a bfp I can get it all from the gp apart from the intralipids which will have to do without if we are ever so lucky!! Got steroids and clexane injections from first pregnancy and a about 2 days of pessaries (doubt will get on gp prescription though!)

Doubt it will happen but holding onto the thread theme here - DSB.

Found support here immense after 7yrs ttc naturally and the IVF we went through.

Hope you get your next cycle sorted soon *ginger"

Pocket1 Sun 20-Jan-13 08:05:44

Sunny great news on those embies. When is transfer? Assume tomorrow with gorgeous blasts. What's your plan for the 2ww - do you have time off work? Everything is crossed for you my love. Let us know how you get on... smile

Monkey I do remember you - and thank you for your very kind words. It's great to hear from you again and see you ready for a new cycle with gusto. I am praying this is the one for you. Please let us know how you're getting on.

Hoops how is David? He must be getting big now. Hope you get our wish come true for number two.

Vanilla sorry about your lining. It's so annoying. Mine was the same and meds had to be increased twice. In the end I had 5 proganova daily and two evorel patches alt days. Fingers crossed this new meds plan does the trick for you. Btw are you on evorel? I'm sure I've got a couple of boxes which I don't need. They're yours if you want them - just pm me and I'll post them to you tomorrow.

Highglove I was on zita west vits which were recommended by my lovely accupuncturist (amazon seems the cheapest place to buy them but they're not cheap at £20). I've been told more than once that pregnacare (which I was on originally) is rubbish! Also people speak highly of Brazil nuts because of the selenium. And good luck with the naked snow dancing!

Hello to Ginger, Viv, Italian and anyone I've not mentioned. Special hello to Bugsy if you look in, you're often in my thoughts xthanks

Stay warm and safe in the snow. And don't ever stop believing.


Hoophopes Sun 20-Jan-13 16:37:07

Pocket - thanks, my little boy is 10mths now and nearly at crawling stage!!

viviennewestwould Sun 20-Jan-13 17:18:13

Highlove, you are absolutely bang-on regarding the fertility industry exploiting our desperation. If a clinic told me they had to remove my eyeballs, shove them up my arse and then replace them, full of shit, into my sockets and then I would get my baby, I would do it in a flash (hope no-one is eating whilst reading this!) What happened with your first ICSI? Did the embryo fail to implant? I'm sorry, I know very little about this procedure. How much does it cost, please?

Hoop, your ttc story has enthralled me. What an unbelievable thrill to conceive naturally.

[waves at Pocket]

I doubt any of you read the Mail on Sunday but its supplement - You magazine - has a terrific article today about the lengths (and costs!) some women go to in securing their dream of a baby. One lady spent £30,000 (IVF, acupuncture, immunology treatment, then four failed IVF cycles with donor eggs - one at Bourn Hall Cambridge, three at Instituto Valenciano de Infertilidad Barcelona) until, finally, she went to the Reprofit Clinic in Brno, the Czech Republic for donor egg treatment (£2000)...and her twins were born in 2010! Can you believe it? Donor egg IVF for £2,000! [runs off to count contents of copper jar]

highlove Sun 20-Jan-13 19:36:31

Viv you made me laugh out loud with the eyeballs. First ICSI went fine - a few less eggs collected than scans suggested and fertilisation rate slightly lower than expected, but ultimately I had two really good embryos put back. They went in early on day 2 because day 3 would be a Sat and my clinic is shut at weekends (and not enough to go to blasto) but still, no obvious reason it didn't work. The consultant thinks its possible I did briefly get pg - I had some odd spotting at what would have been implantation which then stopped completely - but by the time I tested at the equivalent of 19DPO it was BFN. So no idea really. Next go we're having a few tweaks - higher dose trigger as he thinks that I didn't respond well to it, hence far few eggs than good-sized follies, but otherwise basically the same. Anyway, how are you? And how is DP now?

Hoops that is amazing. Interesting about DH on the vit c - mine us too in the hope it will do something about the ridiculously high number of antibodies he has.

Ginger would be fab to cycle together. Though fingers crossed you might be ready to go sooner.

Pocket thanks for the tip re Pregnacare - will look at the ZW vits instead. And thanks for the reminder on brazil nuts - I actually are loads the IUI cycle we got pg on last year but forgot during the IVF. Feel a bit stupid about that now. Will be back on them next time though. Anyway, how are you and bump?

Hoophopes Sun 20-Jan-13 19:52:47

Highlove - yes I switched to Zita West also. The vit C was for the high antibodies etc, and well something we did worked - because even the clinic said 7yrs of ttc was very long and for 3-4yrs it was using a CBFM, the works!! Good to see you having some tweaks on your next cycle, hope it gives you more options.

viviennewestwould Sun 20-Jan-13 20:19:12

Highlove, yes, thank you, Mr. Viv and I are doing okay - except for a rather brutal case of erectile dysfunction this month. Pissed-off doesn't cover it.

Can you tell me about the IUI you have had, please (sorry to be a pain)?

viviennewestwould Sun 20-Jan-13 20:20:47

..and what are the Zita West vits, please? I'm on Co-enzyme Q10 (still have no idea what they do), vitamin D, folic acid and have brazil nuts sprinkled on my muesli every morning!

Pocket1 Mon 21-Jan-13 18:39:31

I've looked but can't find the same ZW vits online that I had - but there are loads in the ZW site for preconception (but check amazon too as they're probably cheaper). I bought mine from my Accupuncturist so maybe the packaging had been changed.

Highlove, apologies, I think I've been calling you Highglove! blush

Bump is doing well. Having a growth spurt which is lovely. DP, mum, my siblings and nephews regularly pat and talk to Bump too. Already being spoiled smile


Bugsylugs Mon 21-Jan-13 18:46:10

pocket thanks for thinking of me. Happy new year to you and bump it is so good to hear bump is already being oiled and things are going well delighted for you. I just looked on active conversations and saw your name so looked in. This will be the year. Did a flexercise class today great for and relaxation but weight has shot up oops. Will re get into the thread soon.

Hugs to all and DSB

sunnyg Mon 21-Jan-13 18:57:28

Evening all

I hope you are all well and staying warm!

Just a quick one from me with a little update. Had ET this morning and all went fine. Done by Mr T himself! If nothing else that has probably made my year!. He was friendly and lovely and I was pretty star struck. So two good ones on board. 1 was hatching and 1 other blast. Maybe 2 or 3 to put on ice so very happy with all that. I'm off work for the next week, but I think for my own sanity I my go back next week. I'll see how I go but I drive the 15mins to work and I have a very stress-free desk job with great colleagues and we always have a laugh so at this point I am thinking that might be the go. However for the next few days DH has ordered me to be on couch/bed duty only and so that I will. Can't argue with a bit of couch time with my feet up and some DVDs.

Wish me luck for the bench, I'm sure I'll be on here for some hand-holding (and insanity checking!) over the next few weeks.

I will catch up with all of your news over the next few days!

DSB oxox

Beginningofthejourney Mon 21-Jan-13 19:05:17

Great news sunny I have everything crossed for you! Keep believing! X

vallinnapod Mon 21-Jan-13 19:43:14

Finger crossed Sunny! It's nice to have them 'home' isn't it?

That's brightened my day a bit. I had spotting over the weekend, which really shouldn't happen on Progynova and Estraderm so my cycle has been cancelled. I now have Provera to take for a week to have a period. Then we start again. Straight to patches only this time. Feeling a bit, meh TBH. I sort of expected it but now I have to get psyched up all over again.

highlove Mon 21-Jan-13 22:00:44

Sunny fab news. I have everything crossed for you. Take it super easy this week.

Vanilla so sorry to hear your cycle has been cancelled. Be really kind to yourself; it's a massive blow, even if you were half expecting it. Glad you have a plan to do things differently next time, but you deserve a bit of feeling sorry for yourself for now. Take care.

viviennewestwould Mon 21-Jan-13 22:55:02

Sunny, fantastic news - my tummy flipped for you! Your colleagues and work environment sound like a smashing tonic to get you through the last part of your 2ww.

Vallinnapod, what a blow, I'm so sorry. I don't know what else to say sad

Luckystarfour Mon 21-Jan-13 23:44:34

Hi all

Sorry for the gap in posting since our failed 4th cycle. As many have said a 'mini break' was much needed. We've booked our trip to Oz for the end of feb for a month - so so needed - to finally get round to doing something which is not affected by dates for Ivf cycling! We've decided to prioritise it!

Update on our situation (my original post on page 3 i think) we really felt a sperm donor is the only next step but a call from our consultant last week indicated she dosent think it is the end of biological chances - so she has requested many opinions of further specialists and a team of 4 specialists are now looking at one of our 4 frozen viles to see if defrost can be successful ( we had no live sperm on defrost on egg collection day and had to go with a fresh sample) yet we did have live sperm on the yet thaw! My god I can honestly say this journey gets no easier does it!!!

So enough about me, I am just working my way through your posts, great news sunny re your embies.

Ivf supplements - as pocket had said, I've taken zita wear vitafem and the vitafem boost due to our poor sperm factor and the vital capsule - 3 times a day, really not cheap. But I would say where Care told me I had a negative response to absorbing folc acid - hence I swapped to femibion on there recommendation - (because that discountinued) I took the zita west and my folic acid levels were perfect in my last cycle!

In terms of men's supplements though, my hubby has taken a good few and I would say zita west vitamen and vitamen boost did not work any where near as well as;
Natural Health Practice Fertility Support for Men Capsules - Tub of 90

These worked wonders on count, motility and even morphology!
I hope this info might be helpful to others.

On a personal note if anyone has home down the start of the sperm donor route I would really appreciate hearing your experiences. It's very daunting thinking about this next step if we need it.

Oh yes babies and bumps, I'd welcome your updates - it really does show this can all be positive one day :-)

Here we are another month, another year and I am telling myself - despite it being bloody hardeont stop believing'

Wishing everyone every hope of success this year xxx

Luckystarfour Mon 21-Jan-13 23:47:11

As usual - apologies for typos! Bloomin iPhone! Hope you can make sense of it :-)

MiniH Tue 22-Jan-13 08:51:07

sunny congrats on ET, and with mr t himself, how lovely. I have fingers and toes crossed for you - and I've told bump to do the same with his fingers and toes! Definitely a week in the couch and then see ow you go. With a hatching blast implant is win 24 hours so first bit is important. We had one hatching and one not so I have very good feeling for you. I assume you are on the horrible six hour drug regime? I used to put mine in a bowl at the side of the bed so could take without truly waking up - not much fun but worth it!

Not much to report here. Bump is growing by the day it seems (not enough for anyone to give me a seat on the train or anything though) and counting down weeks until our 20w scan which is 6th feb. should find out sex for certain then I hope. And then we are off on a little 'babymoon' to California. Cannot wait!

Hope everyone is well and staying safe in the snow, especially the ladies with bumps. Never worth risking a fall.



Pocket1 Tue 22-Jan-13 10:20:23

Sunny everything but everything is crossed for you my dear. Try to relax (easier said than done) and let your little embies do their thing. smile

Hugs to Lucky and Bugsy after tough times.


sunnyg Tue 22-Jan-13 12:15:47

Mini- always great to hear your bump updates. Not long now till you find out if team pink or team blue. And your Californian babymoon sounds like bliss. Especially with all of this snow. Thanks so much for your good vibes. Everything has gone as well as it can have done so now it's just a waiting game. Yes I'm on the 6 hourly pills, fun aren't they. Those combined with my already weird sleeping patterns and increased hunger (currently awake and starving last few days at 3am!) which I suspect is from the steroids is just loads of fun. But not complaining and hopefully it'll all be worth it!

Welcome back luckystar I really hope 2013 is your year. Sounds like you have a great consultant and a great team around you all doing their best for you.

Vanilla - so sorry to hear about your cycle being cancelled. We build ourselves up so much for each stage don't we so I don't blame you at all for feeling disappointed. Take care.

Pocket - yay for bump's growth spurt and I'm glad your family are spoiling you. You totally deserve it.

Bugsy - good to hear from you old friend. I hope you are doing well.

Welcome back Monkey. Italian thanks for looking in on me - hope you are doing well and your adoption journey is progressing. Big hugs to Hoops, Ginger, Vivienne, Beginning, Frosticle, Highlove, Badger, Scrummy, the cat, Weller and sorry for anyone else I've left off!

Luckystarfour Tue 22-Jan-13 20:26:37

Sunny - can I ask did you have a paid/free consultation with ARGC? If so how long did the appt take to come through?

I've always been aware of how successful their cycles are - usually taking on complex cases and older clients. We are 34 and 35 but complex in the way of the unexplained sperm factor. We are thinking of having a consultation - do you know the costs and were try very insightful at this first consultation?

Thanks sunny

Frosticle Tue 22-Jan-13 22:13:14

Vallinna I'm so sorry your cycle has been cancelled however I think it helps to feel the confidence that you've got off to a really good start and hopefully another month will give you that.

sunnyg - Mr T himself -wow!! EVERYTHING is pointing in the right direction, honey and you have EVERY reason to believe this will work. How wonderful!! Relax, take it easy and expect the best. Going back to work will help to distract you and is a great idea for your sanity! Hey, maybe you'll feel the embryo(s) implanting!! smile

Lucky - I went to CRM clinic for egg donation but they also manage a lot of cases requiring sperm donation. They use a sperm donor bank in the US called Xytex.

MiniH -babymoon in California? What fun!! And perfect time to go.

BadgerFace Wed 23-Jan-13 02:24:42

Sunny good to hear you've got the embies on board, I've got everything crossed for you on the 2ww.

Mini whereabouts in CA are you off to? I love it there. We did a bit of a tour for the second time just before my cycle last year. Would love to go again soon but suspect it will now be some years before I brave such a long flight with Molly in tow!

Vanilla sorry to hear your cycle's been cancelled, how frustrating. I hope you can restart soon.

Waves to everyone else.

MiniH Wed 23-Jan-13 09:18:42

badger how is Molly doing? How many weeks is she? We are doing outskirts of LA and San Diego this time as did Northern California and LA central a few years ago.

sunny ah yes the sleeping patterns. Bad news is they may not ever recover - I've had two nights full sleep since EC shock as first was the nightly meds getting me up, then the steroids gave me insomnia and now I think it's just a combination of difficult sleeping positions and body used to it. But 3am fridge raids are good fun grin

[lucky] I'm an Argc grad too. Initial consultation is £200 with SA from memory. It is all on their website. Costs will vary but around £10- 12k to point of pregnancy test is about the minimum I would say, and friend of mine spent closer to £16k. Even after that costs continue as they monitor you up to 34w.

Hey to everyone else reading. Xx

Luckystarfour Wed 23-Jan-13 21:59:05

Thanks Minih and frosticle (does anyone know how to include names when on an iPhone?) wow 16k I thought we'd reached our peak with 13k in the last round.

Very confused today - we are really caught between still investigating further into hubby's sperm - he had TESA and it didn't defrost well at all, but we haven't tried blind collection on the day of collection. We do know that the sperm was viable when extracted by TESA and the test thaw still showed ok results. BUT we just keep feeling with 4 failed cycles behind us is the sperm genetics just too great and this we will never really know!
Our best chance is using young sperm from the testicals so blind collection is the only option we haven't tried.

Such waves of emotions with all of this, second period started today since failed cycle and boy do my emotions feel all over the shop! There seems far less information and stories about sperm factor cases and the journeys experienced by those prior to using a sperm donor or how they narrowly escaped this route.

We start some counselling tomorrow to prep us for donor sperm and for the first time in 18mths/4 cycles I really feel I need it :-(

sunnyg Thu 24-Jan-13 14:56:33

Hi lucky I think mini has given you the main ideas of the costs of ARGC but definitely feel free to pm if you'd like further info. Happy to give you a break down of our costs to date. It is as expensive as you've heard/think but no matter of the outcome of this current cycle I now understand why they charge what they do. The attention to detail and the indivisualised treatment is second to none. I sent a massive pile of previous treatment notes in before our iniital consultation so that they could be read before our consultation. I also went into our initital consultation with a pretty specific list of questions and I researched, and researched and researched before taking the plunge. They seem to deal with a massive range of women and cases and some of which I think are extremely complicated, so if you can I think I'd definitely go for a consultation.

All going fine here on the bench, but it's hard for the doubt not to creep in. Athough I think that's just part and parcel of the dreaded 2 week wait. Never gets any better. But chin up and being positive as possible. Things have gone as well as they can this cycle, so I have no reason to doubt it may have worked.

I was in yesterday for post ET progesterone bloods and apparently my progesterone is quite high. Was assured this isn't a bad thing, but was a concerned when Mr T halved my pessary intake. Makes me a little nervous as last time I miscarried at 7 weeks, but just gotta trust in Mr T. So back in tomorrow for more bloods. Definitely no rest for the weary after ET!!

thanks so much for all of your good vibes ladies, it really helps! oxo

viviennewestwould Thu 24-Jan-13 19:13:54

Sunny, how many days past transfer are you? I do not know how you cope with the 2ww but sending lots of luck.

sunnyg Thu 24-Jan-13 19:36:12

Hi Vivienne tomorrow i will be only 4days past transfer. So still a way to go! Today has gone a bit faster as I've given myself lots of little boring tasks to do such as sorting out the car insurance renewal. I know wild! The things we'll do to pass the time. On tomorrow's agenda is sorting out clothes and cupboards! Thankfully I am back to work on Monday!


Luckystarfour Thu 24-Jan-13 22:34:15

Thanks sunny - I can't PM on my iPhone but I shall do once I get onto the laptop - that's great. We are having really mixed feelings about spending more money having investigations which can not really be conclusive about the sperm factor. TBH if we have belief that it could work then we might be better to just spend the money on the blind collection on the day of egg collection and hae a donor back up - but the thought of going for the cycle not knowing until the very end which sperm in being used is a situation we'd really hoped to have avoided. Mentally I think you need to to be so prepared for the donor route and this leaves everything open and very raw right up to the day. Especially at a time where you're hoping to be calm and relaxed - god I really hate the Ivf journey right now :-(

viviennewestwould Fri 25-Jan-13 11:15:36

Sunny, do you have any great books you can escape into? If you want some recommendations please ask...I'm a book fiend.

Lucky, I can feel your angst through your post, poor thing. Can you explain 'blind collection' to me, please?

Frosticle Fri 25-Jan-13 11:32:25

Lucky I am a bit astounded at the £13-16k price tag of a round of treatment with Mr T! Is that the norm?? I had some idea of the costs as I had a monitoring cycle there (results all good - but the following month, when we planned to start, my FSH had rocketed so, sadly, it was game over for my own eggs). I knew it was expensive but not THAT expensive!! I think there are plenty of things you can chose not to have (we decided not to have immunes testing, for example) but when you've already been through the loop a number of times already, who wants to take that chance?

The acupuncturist I saw at London Acupuncture (where they specialise in fertility) told me that whilst Mr T undeniably gets amazing results, she's observed that there are a number of other up-and-coming smaller clinics that are also getting fab results, comparing well with ARGC. She said she wasn't convinced that the hefty price tag with Mr T is now entirely justified. It might be worth shopping around but I would probably still go for an initial consultation and see if ARGC have any new ideas. grin

Re donor sperm, I believe it costs around £1k to buy the sperm from the US, get it shipped over, defrosted and ready to go. I completely understand how desperately you must want to use your DH's sperm but if the worst comes to the worst and you have to use a donor, you will adjust to it mentally. I have come to terms with using a donor egg - I'm maybe a little sad about it but overwhelmingly grateful that it was an option. There are some great advantages - donors are well screened so genetically your child has the best chance of being healthy!! There wasn't much info available re my egg donor but if you do end up getting sperm from somewhere like the US the choice and amount of info available about the donors is vast!!

sunny - hang in there on the 2ww. It really isn't that long now! I'm SOO excited for you!

Happy weekend to everyone!!


viviennewestwould Fri 25-Jan-13 12:42:19

Is there no available donor sperm in this country??

Beginningofthejourney Fri 25-Jan-13 18:25:36

I used donor sperm from the uk, I can't remember how much it cost I thing about £1000 for sperm? I had a choice of two donors was told hair and eye colour, height and professions, once baby is 18 they can get more information about donor, including last know address. Each donor can have a set amount of 'families' (I think it's 8 or 10) so once a donor has been successful that many times they can not be used again however they can have more than one child in each family. (If that makes sense)
I am in shock at the cost of ARGC! Wow! My cycle was about £6000 including donor sperm! Still if the results are that good I can see the attraction.
I have another scan on mon so will report back on my well spent £6k :-) lol
Hope you all have a good weekend and miss out on the snow x

gingernutdreams Sun 27-Jan-13 16:20:08

Sunny fab news about the 2 fab embies you had put back! I hope the two week wait now flies for you and you get your BFP soon! A good bit of rest and DVD distraction should help, but agree with your thinking that going back to work may also help to distract you, especially as you mentioned you get on well with your colleagues and have a laugh with them - a great stress reliever. smile

Beginning I hope all goes well with your scan on Mon.

Lucky It sounds like you are having a rather rough time of it right now, deciding on whether to go for blind collection, and donor sperm. Did you have your counselling session? Did it help atall? It really is an uphill struggle sometimes, this process. However, we have had so many success stories recently that it must be worth it!

Vallina sorry to hear your cycle had to be cancelled, how frustrating! Try to stay strong if you can. Hugs.

Mini how exciting that you are nearly at your 20 week scan!! Enjoy that "Babymoon" too, it sounds wonderful! smile

Hey Bugsy, good to hear from you. Hope you are ok. I like the sound of flexercise classes!

Pocket lovely to hear of your ever growing bump and attentive family. So excited for you!

Hello to Highlove, Vivienne, Hoops, Badger, Frostie, Italian and all other lovely ladies I may have forgotten.

I have my appointment with the consultant on Tues to discuss our results and hopefully make a plan for the FET cycle. I am both excited and very fearful of how it will go. I am hoping they have found something wrong which can be put right after 8 years of "unexplained infertility"!


Luckystarfour Sun 27-Jan-13 23:34:50

Hi all

Hope you've had a good weekend and those sitting on the bench have been occupied :-) not too long to wait now!

Thanks for the info about ARGC - we have emailed and asked a load of questions in order to consider if a consultation seems like a good idea.

Viviene ww - Blind collection - I'm referring to TESA here - using a needle they extract the youngest sperm from the testes (less chance of damage) my hubby has already had TESE which collects from exactly the same place but through open surgical proceadure - they had a good appearance when collected but hadn't survived the thaw on the day of egg collection. Hence now to consider if collection on the day offers a better chance!

Gingernutdreams - thanks for your thoughts bless you, it is pretty tough right now, we just really don't know whether to try again with my hubby's sperm - we can't face the thought of further failure however equally we so don't want to miss our opportunity to have our biological baby when no one can catergorcially tell us it's not possible. It would be south easier if we have closure! Typically the counselling session was delayed last week, so rescheduled until this Tuesday. Wed really love to be in touch with other couples who had the decision to make without confirmed closure. Increasingly we are feeling the way forward is to give it a further shot by defrosting our frozen sleep, then using TESA if that dosent defrost and finally using donor sperm on that same day if the first two are no gos.

Just so daunted knowing that without these complications the odds for ob success are still so low any anyhow. Really trying not to loose faith in the whole thing, what keeps us here is knowing there is no alternative to help us reach our dream.

Right I intend to not post long posts about me now! Time for me to offer support and helpful words to others! Thanks to everyone on this thread for sharing their feelings. It helps knowing others are having to keep strong too xx

highlove Mon 28-Jan-13 09:01:03

Hi all, hope everyone had a fun weekend. Been a tricky few days here - two family members have had babies, a very good friend is overdue and reminding everyone every three seconds and another unplanned announcement at work have sent me into a bit of a spin. Better today after a bit of hysterical sobbing on/at DH yesterday. It doesn't get easier does it?

Anyway, enough me. Sunny I guess OTD will be end of this week. How are you feeling? Like everyone, I have everything crossed that this is your time. Hell, you've had the famous Mr T's personal intervention - how can it not be?! Seriously, I really am hoping for brilliant news for you very soon.

Lucky hope you are doing ok? Sorry I can't offer much specific advice as have no experience of tge TESA Vs donor issue, but I can totally sympathise with how overwhelming all the decisions become, and you do sound a bit overwhelmed. I hope tomorrow's counselling is helpful.

Ginger hope tomorrow's appt goes well and you really start to get some answers. And fingers crossed you you don't have too long to wait for your FET. Would be great to be cycle buddies but I've another 5ish weeks till I start D/R so hoping that actually you don't have to wait that long. Let us know how you go.

MiniH I'm mega jealous of your baby moon - sounds awesome.

Pocket hope your lovely bump is coming along nicely.

Viv hope you and OH are doing ok.

Waves to everyone else. Don't stop believing - need to remind myself of that a lot at the moment.

vallinnapod Mon 28-Jan-13 14:45:53

Hugs highlove. I keep thinking I am not bothered about other people....and then....stupid things send my over. Like a pregnant Mum and softplay today. I got stupidly envy

Hope everyone else is OK.

Finally taken my last Provera at lunchtime so now waiting to get my period - I guess Wednesday. Then back for a baseline scan and straight to patches.

Still don't know if I want to go through it. Can't get myself excited about it and then...well, see the first paragraph.

Have given up on acupuncture as it made no difference last time.

Sorry...bit sad I guess. I am will be back when I cheer up ;)

PS - sending zooming 2WW vibes smile

Beginningofthejourney Mon 28-Jan-13 18:02:48

Just back from scan all seemed to be good, consultant flipped over to 4d which is very strange to see.
Vanilla and high love my friend told me she was going to start trying about the time I was going to start IVF I was really worried about how I would cope if mine didn't work and she got pregnant, we are not both expecting so very exciting. I've now got the opposite problem that my cousin has just lost a baby and they were due a similar time as me, so don't like to go on too much about mine. Fingers crossed it works for you soon.
Sunny keep thinking about you hope all is good!
Hope everyone is good xxx

Frosticle Mon 28-Jan-13 22:35:36

ginger and lucky best wishes to both of you for tomorrow!


gingernutdreams Tue 29-Jan-13 20:26:25

Luckystar it is so much to think about, and decide on, and is frustrating when the odds seem stacked against you. I really hope the counselling can help you and give you both the strength you need. All the best of luck with it all.

Vall and Higlove I share your jealous feelings about family members/friends who are having babies, as ashamed as that makes me feel.. blush I hope someday that our own dreams come true and we can then feel pure happiness for our friends and relatives rather than the tinges of sadness we feel now. Hugs to you both.

Beginnings despite what I have just said, I am really happy to hear from all you AC pregnant ladies, and glad your scan went well! How exciting to have a 4D scan! smile

Sunny thinking of you.. hope the nerves are ok, and you are keeping yourself well distracted.

We had our appointment today. It was very frustrating and disappointing. We only had level 1 of the immune tests done as we had decided we couldn't afford to do both those and Level 2 (the Chicago tests) at the same time, and we would just see what results we got back for the first level. Unfortunately, all the results from those test came back negative, except for one gene mutation of the MTHFR gene which means I am deficient in Folic Acid so would need a higher dose of that for our FET. However, as none of the other tests showed a positive, we still do not know what my problem is: why implantation is not happening. The consultant advised us to progress to Level 2 tests to check my NK levels and some other things (not read it all through yet) so it looks like we have to decide if we can afford to do this, and then potentially have to find more money after the tests for all the medication that goes along with the FET. The consultant also recommended an endometrial scratch before the FET cycle and putting me on clexane for the cycle. I don't want to skip the Level 2 tests in case it does throw up something, and we finally get some answers but the costs seem to be going up and up every time and I am terrified of spending all that money and then it still not working... but I know I mustn't think like that! Repeat: DSB DSB DSB

Sorry for me, me, me post.


sunnyg Wed 30-Jan-13 13:32:51

sorry for not name checking but quick post from me at work.

Tomorrow is OTD. Have had a few wobbly days, as we all do, but being back at work has helped. I guess I'm hoping for the best but prepared (as you can be) for the worst. I really can't think of how this cycle could have gone better - in our eyes anyway. But I know that even with all of that, and even with ARGC there are no guarantees.

We'll see what tomorrow brings! Wish me luck, and thanks heaps for all of your encouragement and support! oxo

Beginningofthejourney Wed 30-Jan-13 14:58:16

Good luck sunny I have everything crossed for you. Xxx

gingernutdreams Wed 30-Jan-13 18:16:07

Good luck Sunny! Fingers, toes and everything crossed for you. xxx

highlove Wed 30-Jan-13 18:29:31

Sunny I've absolutely everything crossed. Good luck I really, really hope it's the right outcome x

Pocket1 Wed 30-Jan-13 21:53:03

Good luck for tomorrow dear Sunny. Will be thinking of you and will say a prayer for you - hoping so much that you announce your so deserved bfp (selfishly, I could do with some good news too) smile xxx

MiniH Wed 30-Jan-13 22:11:11

sunny I have absolutely everything crossed for you. You are brave to have held out and not done a hpt! I hope they don't keep you waiting long for the call tomorrow. Good luck - like you say, you have done everything you can for now. Xx

Thinking of you Sunnyg. Hugs.

highlove Thu 31-Jan-13 14:42:09

Sunny have been thinking of you all day. Am really hoping your celebrating good news somewhere x

highlove Thu 31-Jan-13 14:43:03

you're celebrating I meant!

sunnyg Thu 31-Jan-13 15:46:14

Hi all

I'm so pleased to say that it's a BFP! Still can't believe it. Nearly had a meltdown in John Lewis waiting for the call. Obviously it's very early days, and very cautious as you all know we have been here before, but for today, we are sooooo happy. Feeling very dazed and confused but so hopeful our time has finally arrived. Will be taking it one day at a time, but I want to thank you all so much for all of your support and encouragement. Old and new friends, you've all been sooo lovely!

Never, ever, stop believing oxox

highlove Thu 31-Jan-13 16:01:06

Oh wow Sunny amazing news. I'm so pleased for you. Brilliant, brilliant news - well done you x

Pocket1 Thu 31-Jan-13 16:09:59

Woohoo!!! Sunny I am so very very happy for you. I've got years in my eyes!! You deserve this so much xxx smilesmilesmilesmilesmilesmilesmilesmilesmilesmile

MiniH Thu 31-Jan-13 16:17:23

sunny YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had a good feeling about this one. I am so thrilled for you. You are right to enjoy today for what it is and take it each day as it comes. The next two weeks will drag but it just go with it and try not to let them mess with your head. What was your bhcg number? (she says, nosily trying to work out if it might be one or two grin )

Pocket1 Thu 31-Jan-13 16:28:40

I mean tears smilesmilesmile

BadgerFace Thu 31-Jan-13 16:29:08

Hurray Sunny!!! So, so, so, SO pleased to hear of your BFP!! What wonderful news. Mini-Badger has just given you a congratulatory smile as well (I think, although to be honest, it could equally be wind... grin)

gingernutdreams Thu 31-Jan-13 19:22:19

YEY SUNNY! So so so pleased for you! You really do deserve this. xxxxxxx smile smile

vallinnapod Thu 31-Jan-13 19:25:15

Woooohooooo Sunny!! gringringrinWhat fab, fab news!!

PS decides to get back on the horse. Baseline scan today and a huge oestrogen patch smacked on my arse wink

sunnyg Thu 31-Jan-13 19:56:27

Thank you so much ladies for your lovely messages. Means heaps to have you all here with me at this time.

Mini I don't know my bhcg level! I was too dazed to ask! They just said my level was good or really strong or something like that. I honestly can't remember! I will ask tomorrow though!


Beginningofthejourney Thu 31-Jan-13 20:56:43

I'm so happy for you sunny I've been thinking about you all day! Had to check as soon as I got in from work xxx

LissySilver Thu 31-Jan-13 22:04:40

Sunny, WOO-HOO!!! Fantastic news! Don't you worry, the folks at ARGC will be monitoring you until you're 12 weeks, so you're definitely in good hands!

Hello to all the ladies...I lurk every day rooting for you all. Please don't stop believing...our Rosalie turns 1 in two weeks! Thinking of getting back on the horse sometime in the summer, but it will be a FET at ARGC this time.

Luckystarfour Fri 01-Feb-13 00:00:10

Brilliant brilliant news Sunny. I had just been thinking I must pop back on and I was so pleased to find everyone celebrating. - well done mrs - just great news xx

Teds77 Fri 01-Feb-13 00:09:12

Congrats Sunny that's wonderful. I shall be looking out for news of 1 or 2 ...

Also belated congrats on the arrival of mini badger and scrummy. Enjoy those first few weeks xx.

Lissy can't believe Rosalie is nearly a year! Though most of the last six months is a blur to me!

Luckystarfour Fri 01-Feb-13 00:19:31

Gingernutdreams - just caught up on your post. Just thinking about your results - I has the 'not absorbing folic acid' normally response and was old to take femibion (which is not discontinued) as easier form of folic acid to absorb. Once femibion was a no go I went obto the zita west vitafem and the vitafem boost (normal type of folic acid) I had my levels tested weekly and complete surprise my levels were normal! So i guess I'm saying don't worry too much about them!

I also had the scratch on my lining last cycle and the 'womb wash' which alot of clinics seem to believe in now. I also was on clexane and prednisolone a steroid for mild mild NK killer cells. I also has intralipids Our level two tests showed very very little for us - other than we knew hubby had a poor morphology (which we knew before anyway).

I have felt I've been treated for very very minor things but all in all the extra drugs and hystergram and intrallipids added an extra £3-£4k on our cycle - I do wonder now if too much info means more money in the pocket to the Ivf companies - as once you know these results - mild as they might be - you feel obliged to treat them.

I will be interested to see if I still need all these 'extras' if we do go for a donor cycle and my husbands sperm factor is removed from the equation!

Out of interest how does your other halves sperm measure up? Just mindful in our experience that the sperm factor is likely to be aiding the embedding issues and not me. Just some info and thoughts to share with you.

Luckystarfour Fri 01-Feb-13 00:32:19

Frosticle and beginningofthejourney - thanks or your comments on the donor side of things. We are finding it a mine field of new info to get out heads around .

Beginning - can I ask which bank you found your uk donor? I have to say we are completely overwhelmed with where to start with all this donor search. It feels like starting the ivf journey from the beginning! When you know very little.

Our clinic use a US donor bank - the concern we have is what if the attraction of a biological father in the US makes a stroppy teenager even more likely to go off and look for their biological father (wed plan to be open you see about being a donor child)

Also we see there are so many options about seeing photos of childhood and now, audio recordings of their questionnaire answer. Whilst we do not have a need to 'see' the donor (at least we think we don't) what would be best for our child if later down the line they know and knew we could have accessed photos to share with them.

My god - deciding to accept going with a donor seems hard enough but when you're RealIse the choices - it's overwhelming.

Our clinic offer a matching process where the present 5 but they don't give half the background info which is available on other reputable bank sites.

Beginning how did you go about deciding? I can't help but feel if we don't do our research and consider all the options, this is one of the most important decisions we will make in our child's life. So we need to properly weigh up all the options.

Desperate to talk to others who have taken the sperm donor route to make sense of it all - overwhelmed is probably the right word for us right now!!!

MiniH Fri 01-Feb-13 15:43:18

luckystar you may have already done this, but have a look at the fertility friends boards. There is a specific one for donor conception, which should hopefully help you speak to others who have been/are going through that.

Beginningofthejourney Fri 01-Feb-13 21:30:53

I just wrote a long reply lucky but it vanished while I was on the phone!
I just used the donor bank from my clinic, I looked into using a donor from Europe (as suggested but the clinic) but I decided I would go with the easy option of the clinic. For me it wasn't quite as complicated as I am single so only had my feelings to take into account (as well as the baby's obviously!) I intend to be honest with baby as explain where he/she came from and just have to hope I don't get a stroppy one! When I had the counselling I got myself in to a bit of a tizz as she asked me loads of questions about what I would do if...particularly what I would do if the child was bullied due to having a donor dad. I worried about it for a while but then when I really thought about it there are loads of what ifs and reasons why kids may be bullied. I decided I needed to concentrate of trying to make my baby happy, secure and resilient!
My clinic gave me a choice of 4 donors and then the embryologist said that realistically there were two that were better than the others two so got the details of those, only told eye and hair colour height and profession. There weren't any photos at all. The baby can get more details when they turn 18 but other than that if you use a UK donor I don't think you can find out much more info.
Sorry for long message, feel free to pm me if you want to know any more. Happy to answer what I can. X

Luckystarfour Sat 02-Feb-13 08:24:32

Thanks mini and beginningofthejourney for your stories - apologies to others for hogging some chat on the 'donor topic'.

Did either of you decided to use a white British in the end? I realise there are far less available - yet if you were looking for egg donors there are far more white British.

We haven't decided against a US donor but its tricky to weigh up all the options, when it could just be easier to go with what the clinic offers . What other nationalities/race did you consider?

Did you look into getting much 'additional detail' about the donor - photos, audio, letter to child?

Thanks guys xx

highlove Sat 02-Feb-13 09:24:42

Hi all, happy Saturday. Hope everyone is well.

Lucky sorry you're having a rough time - all the decisions this awful journey brings us are so tough but sounds like you're having it particularly bad at the moment. Look after yourself.

Sunny hope all progressing smoothly and uneventfully.

Hi to everyone else.

I'm about a month, maybe but more, from starting down down-reg for ICSI cycle 2. Can I just ask how others felt going in to subsequent cycles? I've already put it back a month and am tempted to push it back once again for no reason other than I just can't bring myself to contemplate it. Is that weird? I'm about to turn 34 so do feel like I ought not sod about and get on with it, but at the same time I'm dreading it - not the injections or EC, I can live with them - it's the thought of the 2ww and it failing which I just can't face. Did anyone else feel like this? Although we're having a few tweaks to improve the cycle and had to have a day 2 transfer last time because my clinic is shut weekends, ultimately I had 2 top grade embryos put back so just can't see why another would work.

Sorry for a bit of a me post. Have lovely weekends x

Beginningofthejourney Sat 02-Feb-13 10:06:44

lucky I don't think my clinic gave me a choice of any donor other that white (I assume British) they try to match the donors features to mine, I would imagine if there was a partner then they would try to match to him so that hopefully the baby will look similar to the couple.
Did anyone see the article in the mail yesterday about donors potentially having contact with child, story was related to a gay couple who helped a lesbian couple to have a baby but I wonder if bad press will affect people donating?

vallinnapod Sat 02-Feb-13 10:55:57

Highlove I think I know exactly how you feel. I wasn't 100% sure I wanted to go for our FET cycle. When it was abandoned I felt nothing. I wasn't happy or upset, just nothing. That worried me. I was then given the choice to go for it immediately (with a different treatment plan) or leave it - any time up to a year (at which point all my tests would have to be repeated).

For me leaving it brings the horrors of going back on the pill (turns me into an irrational, short tempted bitch) in order to get a period. So I have just gone for it. I am feeling very blasé about it all. Started my oestrogen patches on Thursday. Have given up on acupuncture and had two large glasses of wine last night. Sort of just thinking if it is right, it is right. And if not....but cavalier I know.

If this doesn't work we will need full IVF again for which I will waiting until the summer (brother getting married in May) - hopefully by then I will be in a better frame of mind. I am 31 so have time on my side but I am still aware the younger the better. One option I would consider is going to EC and then freezing everything if I still don't feel 100% ready at that stage.

Luckystarfour Sat 02-Feb-13 10:59:30

Thanks high love - I think it's completely natural that you have doubts, it's protecting yourself from dissapointment in sure. I told myself I wouldn't be even contemplating this if it couldn't work. My advice would be never do two cycles exactly the same, the tweaks help your mindset - knowing you've leant more and this could be the significant difference. However I guess we all face the fear that there are low success rates in Ivf per say as there are in natural conception - ours just costs a damn site more to have a try that month!

Even going into a donor cycle where I know the sperm is 'good' and my side of things are fine. It fills me with fear as I know Ivf can just not work on some attempts - it's c**p isnt it!!

Age wise i would say dig deep and go for it. Age will only work against us. I'm 34 and thinking despite how much I would love to give time for a natrual miracle - the truth is I probably need to crack on.

You're not alone :-)

Beginningofthejourney - I read the article and panicked at first site! But looking at it - I think this emphasises the need to go through a clinic or reputable sperm bank - or if you do make your own arrangements - make sure the legals are in place! At least I hope so, as this news would make me forget it all!! Haha. X

gingernutdreams Sat 02-Feb-13 18:18:49

Thanks for you thoughts and advice Lucky, it really is confusing when trying to think about going for further tests and what implications the results and suggested treatments will have. I just don't want to look back on all of this and think I did not do everything in my power (and in our budget) to make this happen for us. However, I know DH is worried that I will get my hopes up if they do find something on the level 2 tests, that the clinic say they can treat, then go through the FET cycle and it potentially not work again. Some days I, like you Highlove and vallina, feel like throwing in the towel, but I also feel I have come this far and want to see it through to the end, regardless of what happens. If we get that longed for child, then it will all have been worth it, and if not, we will have to decide if adoption is the route we will then go down. You asked about my DH sperm analysis.. it was fine this last cycle. I can't remember what the consultant said about the morphology, but the count was good (I think he would have said if there was a problem). However, he had testicular cancer 4 years ago (he is now fine) so we do not know if the chemo has had any lasting effect on his sperm, but if anything they seem better than ever now.

I hope you manage to come to a conclusion that you and your other half feel happy with Lucky

Hello to all you other lovely ladies.

biscuit biscuit

wellerbabe Sat 02-Feb-13 23:58:27

Wow Sunny just seen your news so happy for you. Look after yourself now and the next few weeks should fly by I feel like mine have (I'm nearly 13 weeks).
gringringringrin x

sunnyg Mon 04-Feb-13 18:28:51

Thanks so much Weller. Great news you are 13 weeks already! I hope all is going well.

ginger all of these tests and options are really confusing aren't they so I sympthise wtih you. I had a bit of a theme this time kind of 'no stone unturned' but I know that comes at a cost. And it's easy to get carried away with it all. I guess I would just say take your time and research, research research and then go with your gut feeling!

High Love - I totally agree with Lucky Star's wise words. I had really mixed feelings of trepidation and fear going into this last cycle. Sometimes it's easier not to start than start. But I found once I was going and into, I was glad to be again.

So HCG levels seem to be rising and and moving in the right direction so that's great. My progesterone levels are through the roof, so much so Mr T has taken me off all progesterone support. This worries me a little with the MC last time, but I am trusting him. Provisionally booked in for 2nd IVIG tomorrow, expensive yes, but I'll do anything to keep this little bean.

Hugs to all oxo

Hoophopes Mon 04-Feb-13 19:14:35

Fantastic news Sunny hope all goes well - and great you have such high levels. The fact they even test such things is great as most places don't so trusting him sounds a good idea.

Weller 13 weeks, wow!

Well I had what is my first ever known chemical pregnancy in January. After 7yrs ttc child one and needing Immune support to maintain pregnancy am at a total loss of knowing what to do. Can't see consultant saw before as: (a) am not under an IVF clinic and my clinic doesn't support natural preganancy unless you paying for IVF treatment and (b) he has moved to London and his new clinic doesn't support immune treatment. Wish I had a supply of steroids, pessaries etc at home!! Have a few steroids and did take them but it wasn't enough obviously. Tested positive 3--5 days in a row then lost it. Very sad.

gingernutdreams Mon 04-Feb-13 22:16:39

Ah Hoops, I am so sorry. Having also experienced chemical pregnancy I know how awful it feels, and how frustrating it must be not to have all the supporting immune meds you did the last time to give you a fighting chance. sad Sending you big hugs and lots of wine wine

highlove Tue 05-Feb-13 08:27:11

hoops am really sorry to hear about your chemical. How hard to think you might manage another DC with the hell that is AC only for it to be snatched away from you. Be gentle with yourself.

Sunny I'm glad everything is progressing nicely. As you say, trust in Mr T! Thanks also for your words of wisdom.

Weller - 13 weeks! How lovely. It must be wonderful to over that momentous 12 week mark!

Lucky how are you doing? How are you feeling about the donor option now? Thanks for your lovely advice. You are spot on that me and my aging eggs need to dig deep and crack on and that's what we will do.

vanilla how are you doing on the patches now? When's your first scan? It's good to know I'm not alone. I think Lucky is right though - there's an element of just gritting your teeth and going with it.

After my wobble at the weekend I've started to focus on the cycle after this one which is bizarrely helpful. I've found a clinic that's further from home but really good success rates, I will push for immunes and maybe look at options like the womb scratch thing. Somehow having a plan for what happens if this one doesn't work makes it feel less stressful.

Hi to everyone else I've missed x

MiniH Tue 05-Feb-13 16:04:54

sunny so glad to hear your levels are rising nicely and yay on avoiding the progesterone! My levels were sky high but they've still kept me on one cyclogest a day, and just found out today that will stay that way a little while longer yet sad

hoop I am so, so sorry to hear about your chemical. Hugs to you.


vallinnapod Tue 05-Feb-13 22:44:58

Hoops, how heart breaking. Our bodies can be hideous to us can't they?

All patched up here, first scan on Friday. Really bloated this time so maybe they are working...or maybe I should stop scoffing grin

sunnyg Wed 06-Feb-13 15:14:07

Hoops I am so sorry to hear that. Please take care of yourself and let us know if you need anything.


sunnyg Fri 08-Feb-13 18:11:05

Hi all and Happy Friday

How is everyone?

hoops I hope you are doing okay.

vallinapod how did your scan go today?

AFM things seem to be going fine, but of course still very early days. I've been in at the clinic almost every day/every other day for bloods but I have this whole weekend off! Not that I'm complaining, I wanted this monitoring and that's what I'm getting. However was just told today they want to do the first scan on Monday. I am terrified, as of course it was the first scan last time we learnt the fateful news. Also just feels too early. Will just be 5 w 4 days. My HCG levels seem to be good and rising as they should and prog still very high. I probably should have asked why they want to scan so early but was a bit taken back and although I could call and ask, I think it would just make me fret more over the weekend. I know it may be too early for a HB, but still I am terrified the same will happen again. Sorry, I know I sound paranoid. I've tried to be much more positive this cycle honest! Just having a bit of a moment.....

Hope you are all well ox

vallinnapod Fri 08-Feb-13 19:50:21

Very happy Friday for me! Lining was 6.4mm - this time in my abandoned cycle is was only 4mm so big improvement. Another scan on Monday but they a cautiously optimistic that ET may be a week on Saturday grin. It's actually very funny as DH is travelling with work for the next fortnight so I am going to potentially get PG whilst he is away grin

Wobbles are so natural Sunny. I am sure everything will be fine {{hugs}}

Pocket1 Fri 08-Feb-13 22:06:43

Dear Sunny I know it's really hard, but please try not to worry. You're in such good hands, just let them look after you - everything will be fine. I felt exactly the same not that long ago, and someone told me that although things hadn't worked out before, it didn't mean the same would happen again. So far, she's been right. You and I were in the same boat last year, and now we're in the same boat again - albeit a happier one! You're pregnant and that's fantastic, enjoy it xxx

Great stuff Vanilla, sounds promising. Hope Mondays scan goes well. Nice to have some dates to work to.

Highglove, last cycle I had a saline wash - I think that's a version of the scratchy thing. It was part if the formula that worked...

Hoops, so sorry my dear. And what a pain about your consultant. Hope you manage to find a solution. In the meantime, be kind to yourself.

I'm 19 weeks today, def got a little bump. Apparently you grow loads weeks 20-30...yikes! I have my 20 week scan next week, we want to find out if its pink nor blue... I'm v excited.

Happy weekend lovely ladies. DSB smile

highlove Sun 10-Feb-13 09:14:48

Pocket that's interesting - I talked to my consultant about the saline wash thing after my last cye. He was pretty dismissive (TBH it felt like he'd never heard of it!) but it seemed worth a shot. Can you tell me about how it worked/timing for having it etc.

Sunny glad all is going well. Good luck for tomorrow. It does seem early but trust in them - they've got you this far. I know how scary it is - we also found out at the 7 wk scan last year that things were going wrong so I know as and when we get there again I'm going to be a nervous wreck. I shall have everything crossed that all is perfect tomorrow - let us know.

Vanilla woohoo for your lining. Hope it's continuing to grow. Fingers crossed for this week.

Hoops hope you are doing ok.

Waves to everyone x

Frosticle Sun 10-Feb-13 13:24:30

sunnyg -I'm so over-the-moon happy for you!! Please try to relax, keeping positive and trust in the amazing Mr T! You have EVERY reason to believe in a very happy outcome. Think of tomorrow's scan as a wonderful opportunity to see your little bean! smile

highlove - best of luck for this cycle, lovely. Nice to know you have things sorted going forward but hopefully you won't need it.

vallinna - hoorah for a nice comfy thick lining. All sounding good!! Best wishes for Monday and for ET on Saturday!!

hoops - I'm really sorry, lovely. I can't begin to imagine the disappointment. But you did test pregnant so you've proved you can get that far. I really hope you can find someone who can help you. I don't know what the issues/complexities are in your particular case but is there anything any of us can do to help? Investigate at each of our clinics, for example, and see if any of them do what you need? There MUST be someone who can help.

Pocket - best wishes for your 20 week scan - how very, very exciting!!

AFM, I'll be 18 weeks on Tuesday. I haven't felt the baby move yet but I first felt my DD move in wk 18 so I'm thinking any day now........


Pocket1 Sun 10-Feb-13 16:22:36

Highglove i cant remember when i had the saline wash - i think i had an AF after it but before the treatment if that makes sense. Your clinic should know, but if there not keen on doing it in the first place, phone around and ask - I’m sure my clinic would advise even if you don’t go there I was terrified beforehand (thought it would be really painful and use a high pressure thing - it wasn't!) it was a very quick and simple, think i was in and out within 30-45 mins although the actual procedure was only 10-15 mins i think. A catheter was inserted (that was the worst bit) and then a small syringe of water is put through it – it was a bit uncomfortable but not painful and I took a couple of paracetomol beforehand just in case. And I didn't leak at all afterwards - in fact i went shopping to treat myself to something nice (cant remember what it was now). When my consultant recommended I do this, I didn’t hesitate in following her guidance. I don’t know whether this was the one thing that made a difference to this cycle – but I’d say do it as a belt and braces thing. Good luck x

MiniH Sun 10-Feb-13 16:24:42

sunny I just wanted to wish you good luck for tomorrow. Not unusual for them to scan so early - I was 5w6d so only just after you. I think they go on your hcg levels, history and Mr T's experience so each case is different. It may well be too early for hb but they should explain it before hand (think was about 40% odds when we went so you will be lower than that). I won't say relax as it will be impossible, I know, but try and distract yourself as much as you can. Have everything crossed for you. Xx

Pocket1 Sun 10-Feb-13 20:34:20

Sunny just wanted to send you a hug for tomorrow. I know its scary but i'm sure everything will be okay. Let us know how you get on x

gingernutdreams Sun 10-Feb-13 21:32:05

Sunny I am also sending hugs for tomorrow, hope all goes well and it is a positive experience for you this time. As the others say, you are in good hands. xx

highlove Mon 11-Feb-13 08:42:25

Sunny lots of luck for today. I'll be checking in regularly for an update. Fingers and toes crossed all is completely perfect.

Thanks Pocket for the info. Think it's too late for this cy le - AF on the way so now on countdown to down-reg which will start around day 21. But it's on my back-up plan list for cycle 3.

Thanks Frosticle for your good wishes.

Ginger how are you?

Hi to everyone. Careful in the snow. Anyone else really had enough of the bloody stuff now?! Roll on spring!

vallinnapod Mon 11-Feb-13 12:44:57

Hey Sunny fingers crossed for you today.

I hope you get all my luck as I had a crap scan today. My lining has gone DOWN by 2mm to 5mm. They aren't even sure how that is possible if I haven't been bleeding....great.

They have added progynova back and baby aspirin. Another scan on Thursday which will either be a go for ET 5 days later or abandoning the cycle. Again. sad

sunnyg Mon 11-Feb-13 17:45:12

Vallinnapod sorry to hear about your lining. You must be so frustrated. I really hope it comes back up so you can go ahead with ET.

Highlove I also had a scratchy thing done at my last clinic. I think it was called a pipelle saline infused sonogram. Anyways you don't need to think about it now as this cycle is going to work anyway.

Thank you so much ladies for all of your good wishes. I had them there with me at the scan, which I was so nervous about I almost threw up on the tube on the way in.

It all went well. Amazingly we saw 2 sacs and 2 heart beats! OMG! Stunned. Obviously still very early days, and still cautious (I think us fertility ladies are always going to be) but of course so happy and grateful. I am hoping and praying these two little peas stay around. Thank you so much for all of your support, it means the world.


highlove Mon 11-Feb-13 17:48:45

Yay Sunny hooray for your two little beauties and their heartbeats. Amazing. Well done you clever old thing. Great news x

Teds77 Mon 11-Feb-13 17:49:35

Hee Hee grin I've been lurking because I had a sneaking suspicion there might be two in there sunnyg!

Vallinn boo for your lining, hope you get better news at the next scan.

Pocket1 Mon 11-Feb-13 18:52:53

Omg sunny I am soooooooo happy for you. I got goosebumps all over when I read your post - two mini sunnies. MARVELOUS!gringrin

Pocket1 Mon 11-Feb-13 18:53:29

Vanilla so sorry about your scan. Fx for Thursday x

vallinnapod Mon 11-Feb-13 19:28:50

Wowowowowow Sunny - I am so glad you stole my luck today wink That is fabulous news grin

vallinnapod Mon 11-Feb-13 19:29:17

PS thanks for the sympathies guys smile

gingernutdreams Mon 11-Feb-13 21:11:47

Wow Sunny! That is fab news! Really really pleased for you! grin

Vallina so sorry to hear about your lining probs. I really hope the progynova and baby aspirin do the trick and your lining grows nice and thick now, and you can carry on and have a successful cycle.

Hello Highlove. It's good to have a back up plan but I really do hope that this cycle coming up is the one for you. smile

I am ok.. struggling to come to terms with having to spend £1600 next week for our level 2 Chicago Blood tests as our savings really are dwindling. sad BUT it could well be worthwhile and do the trick, and I could then join the ladies on this thread with the expanding bumps (hello to you all, by the way!) I'll keep you all posted when I get the results back.


highlove Tue 12-Feb-13 08:16:10

Vanilla so sorry about your lining - how incredibly frustrating for you. Have everything crossed the next scan offers better news.

Ginger it's so difficult knowing which are the right choices, isn't it? Can I ask - how many cycles have you had now? Hope you are doing ok.

Sunny I forgot to ask - when is the next scan?

Sitting waiting for AF here - keeps making a pretence of coming then just spotting. (Not that unusual for me before anyone thinks I've had a miracle!) Annoying - just want it to come so I can call the clinic and agree a date to start down-regging in about three weeks. Honestly, when you don't want to see it it turns up bang on and when you do, it fannies about. Stupid body.

MiniH Tue 12-Feb-13 09:08:50

sunny that is the best news. So thrilled for you.

valinna so sorry about your link and how incredibly frustrating. Hopefully they can figure out what is happening and fix it quick.

Little update from me is that we had our 20 week scan last week and we are team pink! So thought this was a boy but apparently we were both wrong! Feels a little more real now somehow.


BadgerFace Tue 12-Feb-13 16:15:45

Hurraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay Sunny, that is so exciting!! TWO!!!! I'm so pleased for you.

Vanilla I hope that your naughty lining catches up.

Mini How exciting to have had your 20 week scan and welcome to team pink - girls rock! I know that 20 weeks was when I felt I could relax a little more so I hope you are enjoying your pregnancy.

I'm still lurking and cheering you ladies on.

DSB Keep up the positivity.

P.s. I've added a photo of Mini-badger to my profile if anyone fancies a look - although at 5 weeks she is much bigger now!

vallinnapod Tue 12-Feb-13 17:13:22

Awh Badger gorgeous smile

BadgerFace Tue 12-Feb-13 17:17:59

Thanks Vanilla!

highlove Tue 12-Feb-13 17:36:57

Oh Badger what a little beauty she is. Can I have a virtual cuddle with her please?!

BadgerFace Tue 12-Feb-13 17:40:51

Of course Highlove, she is happy to have virtual cuddles with all!!

sunnyg Tue 12-Feb-13 18:36:15

Thank you so much for your kind wishes ladies. Next scan is next Monday. So a whole week off from the clinic. Feels very strange not to be going in, when have been in pretty much every day/every 2nd day for almost 7 weeks now. Still trusting in them they must be quite happy with things not to have me in for a week. Will be very nervous I think again on Monday, but I'm sure that comes with the territory a bit.

Teds how did you have your suspicious about 2! I had no idea (except for having 2 put back of course) I was just hoping and praying for 1 sac.

ginger I know the costs of all of these tests can be overwhelming, and often just plain unaffordable, but in some ways if there is anyway you can scrape together the cash to go for it, I'd say do. Then you can go forward to the next cycle knowing that everything has been covered. Even if they find nothing, (which is good) then you'll know you've left no stone unturned. But of course easier said than done. I took so long to research ARGC and thought about it very carefully so I understand your dilemma. Let us know how you get on.

highlove I hope AF turns up soon. So typical, just when you want it to show, it does a classic disappearing act.

Mini wonderful news! Go team Pink!

Badger great to hear from you and mini badger is just gorgeous.


Pocket1 Tue 12-Feb-13 19:48:38

Just a really quick one from me....

Sunny i'm still smiling about your wonderful news grin

Mini go team pink - ive got my 20 week scan on Friday...we're going to find out too so i'll report back...

Badger OMG what a gorgeous gorgeous little girl. It must be like you're dreaming whenever you look at her or pick her up for a cuddle. BTW i'm loving the virtual cuddles - in return, i'm happy to do a virtual nappy change!

sorry for not checking in with everyone.

will catch up properly when i can



gingernutdreams Tue 12-Feb-13 21:00:17

Badger your little one is absolutely beautiful!

Highlove I hope your AF turns up properly so you can get going again. Our bodies are so annoying sometimes (most of the time for me! grin)

Yey for team pink Mini! That is lovely news.

Looking forward to hearing your news following your 20 week scan on Fri too Pocket

Sunny enjoy your week away from the clinic, and try to relax if you can. All the best for your next scan, but I'm sure all will be fine. I also wanted to say that you and the other ladies inspire me to keep on going. The Level 2 tests (Chicago tests) are booked for next Tues so we are going ahead with them, just feeling the pressure of it all, especially when money is such an issue at the mo. Luckily my DM is very good and keeps offering to help, so I know we are not alone in trying to find the money, I just feel a bit like I am constantly asking my parents for financial help. Hey ho, I'm sure they don't mind and would be thrilled if it all leads to a BFP for us. Highlove I have had 3 cycles so far. 2 NHS ones (BFN) and one private which was the chemical pregnancy.

Vall I hope you are hanging in there and your lining is thickening up nicely.

Hello to all you other lovely ladies I have not name checked.


Hoophopes Wed 13-Feb-13 12:22:25

Sunny great news about 2 little beans - hope next scan goes well!

Mini wow, can't believe you are already at stage of knowing you are team pink, congratulations!!

Ginger hope L2 tests help. For me it was psychological, I just had to know if there was anything else we could do. Great you have the support of parents, they will indeed be thrilled to have a grandchild and obviously want to help which is good news.

Am struggling a bit knowing that I may be able to fertilise an egg naturally but no implant or maintain pregnancy. Been to Gp to see if he will prescribe utrogestran and prednisilone. He is going to email a consultant at NHS hospitla I have never seen and that worries me. If they say no that is it!! Don't know if I could cope going through hours of travelling and waiting till am off work to see if anyone could prescribe privately. Doing all the tests again, on a "just if". But nor can I cope going through the miscarriage I had in Jan time after time. Bit in limbo.

gingernutdreams Wed 13-Feb-13 18:44:54

Oh Hoops, I really do feel for you. It must feel a bit like you are going back to the beginning with it all. I hope the NHS consultant can help and agrees to prescribe the medication you know you need so you can have a good shot at another natural conception. It it truly is a horrible thing to go through and get over. I still feel very fearful that it will happen to me again. Try to stay positive though, if you can. At least your GP didn't flat out say no, there is no way. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you. xx

Solars Thu 14-Feb-13 15:14:58

Hi I hope you don't mind me joining in with you all. I've lurked on this thread a little especially towards the end of last year when we were going through our first ivf cycle. You've all been on some incredible journeys and it's great to read all your stories/struggles/triumphs.

We're about to embark on another cycle with a new clinic, ARGC and hoping some of you may be with them too and guide me through their process as it all seems a little daunting from what I've read on other forums. Our initial consultation is on 7th March. We've been trying to conceive for over 3 years now which has been quite hard going for both DH & I. We're still diagnosed as 'unexplained' even though I have had an endometrioma removed towards the end of last year and there may be issues with DH's sperm. Anyway looking forward to getting to know you all, although I do recognise one familiar name Highlove <waves> hope AF has arrived.

MiniH Thu 14-Feb-13 17:57:43

pocket excited about your scan tomorrow. Hope mini pocket waves.

sunny enjoy your week of freedom

hoop I really hope the consultant comes through. It is a relatively small request but I know how difficult it can be with someone you don't know.

solars welcome! I'm an Argc student (don't get to be a grad I guess till little one arrives) but am 21 weeks now so drop me a pm if you have any questions.


vallinnapod Thu 14-Feb-13 20:23:30

Can't wait to hear about tomorrow Pocket

Welcome Solars and hiya all.

Lining is 6.4mm but we are a go for ET on Wednesday. The sonographer rated my lining A/B with it not making A only because it was less than 8mm. They decided my body clearly doesn't do thicker lining (it was only 7.5 with my successful IVF and that was after stemming for 3 weeks...!)

So, fingers crossed...

LissySilver Thu 14-Feb-13 20:56:29

Solars, I'm an ARGC grad, so feel free to ask any questions that spring to mind.

Sunny, so absolutely over the moon for you! I confess to checking regularly Monday for your post...

Hoops, honey, I'm so sorry about your chemical. There must be something they can do for you! I might have a little bit of cyclogest from my cycle, it's yours if you want it...

Hi to everyone else. As ever, I'm lurking and rooting you all on. Oh, and tomorrow my darling girl turns one! Flew by in the blink of an eye!!

highlove Thu 14-Feb-13 21:30:16

Just a quick one: pocket hope tomorrow is wonderful and you enjoy every moment seeing your little one wriggling about. Looking forward to hearing which team you are.

Hiya Solars sorry to see you here, in the nicest way possible smile

vallinnapod Thu 14-Feb-13 22:09:55

Mmm bum bullets....I had forgotten the joy...wink

Pocket1 Fri 15-Feb-13 12:07:02

Happy Friday ladies. Scan went well, baby looked fine, measured spot on and was wriggling like crazy. Sonography could not be 100% sure but thinks we are team pink too!! grin

Hope everyone is doing okay.

Don't stop believing wink

sunnyg Fri 15-Feb-13 13:21:31

pocket wooo hoo team pink! So glad your scan went well and mini pocket is all good.So half way now!

ginger I am glad you have gone ahead and blooked the L2 tests. Let us know how you get on.

vallinnapod I hope ET goes well on Wed. Will be thinking of you.

hoops how are things? I hope your consultant can help.

Solars welcome. I am currently at ARGC so please feel free to ask any questions or PM if you'd like.

AFM next scan on Monday - fingers crossed all goes okay, will probably always be nervous. Haven't had too much time to think about it this week as the nausea has definitely kicked in. Definitely not complaining though.

Happy Friday to all oxo

vallinnapod Fri 15-Feb-13 14:53:44

Very exciting guys Pocket!

Sunny enjoy every vim wink. I had a completely symptom free pregnancy with DS - which as an AC lady is far from reassuring smile

vallinnapod Fri 15-Feb-13 14:53:52


MoJangled Fri 15-Feb-13 15:12:28

Just popping on to say huge, hugest congratulations to Sunny and your little Sunlets! wonderful and well-deserved news.

And fab news about your little pink Pockette too, Pocket, now you can start really arguing over names!


BadgerFace Fri 15-Feb-13 19:40:25

Yeah, Pocket more team pink!

vallinnapod Fri 15-Feb-13 20:36:19

So, it turns out my two brrrrrrr-babies (frozen embryos) are frozen separately. So now I need to make a decision. One or two?

DS was two and only he stuck.

If I didn't have him to consider then I would definitely go for two back. However I question how fair it would be for him for DH and I to be all consumed with twins (plus DS was a dream baby but when has been tough with him it has been TOUGH - to times that by 2 and add a toddler....). If I hadn't had a single baby twins (in my mind) would have been fine as you know no different. Selfishly do I want to put my body through that, try to breast feed two etc...

I think my mind is made up for one...for the next 30 seconds any way. Anyone got any pearls of wisdom? According to the embryologist having 2 put back only increases your chance of pregnancy by 5% and the risk of triplets/quads is high.

vallinnapod Fri 15-Feb-13 21:37:44

May not be an issue as just started pink spottinghmm Now idea what this will mean. Beyond disappointed hmm

gingernutdreams Fri 15-Feb-13 22:01:43

Yey Pocket! Lovely to hear all went well and it might be team pink for you too!

Mo lovely to hear from you, I often think about you. Hope you are doing ok and taking good care of yourself.

Sunny good luck for your next scan but all sounding good with the nausea (that sounds weird to say..)

Hi Lissy, hope your DD has a lovely first birthday today.

Hi Solars. All the best of luck with your cycle at ARGC. They sound amazing, so I'm sure you will get on well with their treatment.

Vall do not despair, It may still be fine. I am keeping fingers and toes crossed for you, oh and sending hugs. smile

highlove Sun 17-Feb-13 09:54:00

Vanilla how are you? How is the spotting? Am really hoping it's stopped now and was just a blip.

Sunny good luck for your next scan tomorrow - I hope your little beauties are coming on nicely.

Pocket glad your scan went well. And team pink - how exciting! You must really be feeling excited now.

Solars when is your cycle due to start?

Ginger hope all ok with you lovely.

AFM, AF finally showed up so I'll start down-regging in three weeks. Have occasional twinges of excitement but mostly I feel sick thinking about - I just can't face it not working again. We've had a couple of close pregnancy announcements this week and because I'm self-obsessed I feel it's really upped the pressure. I'm just know I'm really going to struggle with those pregnancies if this doesn't work.

Happy sunny Sunday lovely ladies x

vallinnapod Sun 17-Feb-13 10:37:56

Thanks highlove. Not had anything since Friday night. Feel quite crampy though, like mild period pains. Rang the clinic on Saturday and they didn't get back to me until gone 9pm and even then I am pretty sure she hadn't spoken to a doctor. Will call on Monday. I really don't want to risk an embryo if things aren't right.

Great news on the down regging. The mixed emotions are so rational. I understand the 'pressure' with pregnancy announcements.

Pocket1 Sun 17-Feb-13 17:49:17

Vanilla hope you’re doing okay and no more cramping or spotting. Hope your clinic can give you some reassurance when you speak to them – are you due to transfer this week?

Highlove I remember feeling relieved when we delayed our summer 2012 cycle a month or two – felt like we could hope for longer – maybe that’s how you feel now. My acupuncturist (who’s very zen and has many words of wisdom) told me to look at these stages as steps to where we wanted to be. I know its not as easy as it sounds, but try and stay focussed on your end goal, and know that all of these scans, transfers, tests etc is a step closer to your BFP – and your baby.

Ginger how are you getting on?

Badger hope you and the LO are doing okay – must be like a dream come true to actually be able to pick her up and hold her!

Sunny hope all goes well with your scan tomorrow. Bet you want wait to see your little ones again! The nausea must be reassuring – I’ve had virtually no symptoms at all apart from a bit of indigestion around 12 weeks and insomnia now. I’m grateful now but longed for nausea and aching boobs early on!

Hoop hope you get the news you want from your GP soon – a private clinic would be able to prescribe you with that meds you mention, but you may need to go through the rigmarole of tests again. But fx your GP comes through.

Lissy belated happy first birthday to your LO, how amazing!

Dear Mo how are you my love? Hope you’re doing okay…

Solars welcome – you’ll find this thread so supportive and helpful. I’ve not used ARGC but have only ever heard good things from the lovely ladies here. Best of luck to you with your next appointment.

Hello to Mini, Beginning, Frosticle, Weller, Bugsy and apologies to anyone I’ve missed.

I was out with friends last night and someone told a story of a friend of theirs who had twins followed by triplets – and they’re all under 3. Can you imagine that???

Hope everyone is having a relaxing Sunday.


gingernutdreams Sun 17-Feb-13 21:19:45

Highlove deep breaths sweetie, and like Pocket says, try to stay focused and positive. I know it's hard but try to flip the worrying that it may not work for you and you will then struggle to cope with the pregnancies of friends, to imagining how great it will be to be pregnant at the same time as them, and swapping notes with them.

Vall I do hope all is ok and your clinic is able to reassure you tomorrow.

Pocket and Highlove thank you for asking after me. I am hanging in there, trying not to worry about the level 2 blood tests on Tues. I'm going to find it difficult to wait another 6 weeks for the results, as I really want to get on with it now, and feel time is passing me by. Will keep my chin up and keep going though. If it finally uncovers the problem, and it is treatable then this could be my year! smile

Hi and biscuit biscuit to all!


Solars Mon 18-Feb-13 14:20:54

Hello and thank you for the lovely welcomes from all of you x

Lissy thanks and it's always lovely to hear a success story, a belated birthday to your little girl.

Gingernuts I'm sorry I don't know your full story but I'm hoping all goes well with your level 2 blood tests. Are these for immunes? I really hate the waiting around for results too, hope you can somehow forget about them for a while at least, easier said than done I know, but I hope you can hang on in there x

Pocket great scan news

Sunny good luck for the scan today

Vannillapod hope you've heard from your clinic and all is still ok for your ET on Wednesday?

Highlove I have absolutely everything crossed for this cycle for you. I think I feel a little like you too so very scared of things not working again. It's so very daunting to think of having to go through the feelings of an unsuccessful cycle and then picking yourself up again. But I love the words of wisdom from Pockets acupuncturist who said that by going through all of this you're another step closer to getting your baby. Not sure when we may be able to start our next cycle yet. We have our initial consultation at ARGC on 7th March and not sure if we will have to have further tests or not before embarking on the next cycle.

Last week I had some bloods taken by my very kind GP for the list of bloods required by ARGC, however on Saturday I received a letter from my GP that she wanted to see me as she has the results now. It did state that it is non-urgent but I have been so worried about what it could be. My GP is away this week and the surgery system means I have to wait until next Monday in order to try and get an appointment for the following wednesday. They have booked me in for a telephone appointment on the 1st March in case I can't get an appointment. So I'm trying to hang on in there and have been repeating to myself that they really can't be that bad as she did say it was non-urgent.

sunnyg Mon 18-Feb-13 14:21:47

Hi All

Mo so nice of you to pop by. I hope you are doing okay. We often think of you.

Lissy wow DD is almost 1. I hope she has a lovely first birthday!

Vall I hope the clinic has been able to reassure you and all is going to be okay for transfer. Fingers and everything crossed for you.

Highlove I totally understand those mixed feelings of starting a new cycle. My first day at ARGC was really mixed emotions of total trepidation and excitement. I will be willing you on with everyone else.

ginger Good luck for tomorrow's bloods. I know the wait for the results will be tortuous but I'm convinced it's the right move. Have you got some things lined up for the next 6 weeks while you wait? Even dumb things that you've been meaning to do like 'clean out drawers'. I know sounds totally wild but I find having a list of things to work through helps to keep the days going.

My scan today at 6.5 went well I think. Both Heart beats were good but only thing is one is measuring smaller. Unfortunately the ARGC scanners are notoriously rubbish which even the doc acknowledged so that doesn't help. You would think they might be able to invest in some new scanners! I know it's still very early days, and hopefully smaller twin will catch up but I am tossing up the idea of going and having an extra scan this week at the Birth Company or somewhere like that. I've heard they have great scanners. I don't know if I am being ridiculous but I also can't see why not. Any thoughts? If so I would wait till Thurs/Fri when I will be 7 weeks. I'm off work this week so seems like a good opportunity in some ways as I have the time but next week will be harder.

Also any twin or multiple ladies out there, any ideas when I should be going to see my GP and when the NHS usually do their first scan with twins? I expect I'll be under ARGC care for some time, which is of course fine, but just wondering if I should pop down and see my GP this week also?


Teds77 Mon 18-Feb-13 16:13:34

Sorry to hear one twin is measuring small sunnyg though a heartbeat at 6.5 weeks sounds good to me. I took the view that there was nothing I could do to make a difference during the early weeks so from my first scan at 7 weeks I had nothing until the NHS 12 week scan. However, if you will worry lots then maybe a scan might be good to set your mind at rest.

Have ARGC said your twins are clearly the result of two embryos or 'DCDA' twins? I only ask because for unknown reasons IVF also increases the chances of a single embryo spliting and you having 'MCDA' twins. If it's the former (which seems most likely) you'll more than likely just be treated like a singleton pregnancy until 20-24 weeks. So, you'll probably want to do your 'booking in' and initial blood tests with the GP/Midwife at around 10 weeks and get them to book you your 12 week scan. You could phone your GP/Midwife now to get that sorted. I didn't need to see the GP to do this I just rang up and said 'I'm pregnant can I book in'.

It's worth making sure that whoever books your 12 week scan tells the hospital it's a twin pregnancy - twin scans take longer and they may want two people to do it. I wasn't booked in as a twin pregnancy by my midwife and the sonographer had a bit of a grump with me as not enough time had been set aside and she needed to find someone to help record all the measurements.

After that you'll probably get a 16 week appointment with your midwife and then your 20 week abnormality scan. It's really after that you'll get extra stuff - scans every four weeks and then probably also consultant appointments at 28/32/36 weeks (I think that's how I remember it).

If you're MCDA you'll get many more scans between 12 weeks and 20 weeks.

highlove Mon 18-Feb-13 17:02:26

Thanks lovely ladies for your support. Pocket that is exactly how I feel - the longer I out it off the longer I can hope. That must have been your succesful cycle though? That's reassuring!

Sunny glad you saw your two lovely heartbeats again. Sorry to hear you've now got something to have to worry about though. If I were you I'd definitely see about another scan in a few days - somewhere with decent machines. Having had a number of scans, both NHS and private, during my short-lived pregnancy I know different machines AND different sonographers can give wildly different readings. Let us know what you decide and I shall continue keeping everything crossed for you.

Good luck tomorrow Ginger.

Any news Vanilla?

Solars try not to worry...though I know that's not really possible! You are at ARGC so best possible hands...whatever your bloods find, they'll have a solution to it!

Bugsylugs Mon 18-Feb-13 18:17:48

pocket great news re scan go team pink.
sunnyg great 2 heart beats. Try not to worry too much re size ds was tiny at 7 weeks then 'caught up'. Scans when should we do them depends whether it will reassure you or make you worry more if the former do it.

To all you lovely, brave patient ladies DSB

Pocket1 Mon 18-Feb-13 18:23:01

Solaris my gp was lovely but I quickly realised they don't always fully understand fertility - I even had some bloods repeated needlessly as they were 'normal' for fertility. My advice, would be to get the results into the hands of argc ASAP so the experts can have a look at them. Try not to worry in the meantime.

Sunny sorry that one if your LOs is measuring small but its positive to see two strong heartbeats. Re a second scan, I've heard good things about fetal medicine centre so look them up also, they're in the same area. Btw, I went to my gp at 7 weeks and saw the mw pretty soon after that but didn't have an Nhs scan till 12 weeks....Not sure how it works for multiples and if you're technically still under argc for a bit. But I've just seen that Teds had responded and she's better qualified than me!

Vanilla hope you had some reassurance today from clinic.

Big hello to everyone else


Beginningofthejourney Mon 18-Feb-13 18:35:53

Hi everyone,
sunny I told my pg I was pregnant 2 days after my positive test but that was because my clinic suggested getting the pessaries from pg so I didn't have to pay! Think he then referred to midwife however I chased this up so not sure if they actually got the referral. Know it is easier said than done not to worry but sure little bubba will catch up! Kind of the opposite thing but my bubba's head measured on the 95th centile, midwife reassured me that different parts grow at different points (I'm still not 100% convinced!) but hopefully your bubba will have a little growth spurt in the next few days.
I've got my next scan on the 1st match, I'll be 21 weeks by then! Time is going a little too quickly!
DSB xxx

Beginningofthejourney Mon 18-Feb-13 18:36:36

Pg is meant to be GP silly predictive text! :-)

vallinnapod Mon 18-Feb-13 21:43:58

Hey all.

We are still on for transfer on Wednesday. I have had nothing since (TMI!) the pink discharge on Friday night. Been feeling quite period painy. It's hard to know what is normal as this time during IVF you are recovering from EC so it all feels quite different.

Sunny try not to worry at the moment. Your two little sunbeams are so teeny tiny they are very hard to get an accurate measure on.

21 Weeks Beginning?! Wow, flying by smile

MiniH Tue 19-Feb-13 10:37:24

sunny I'm so pleased the scan showed two beautiful heartbeats. Re: the birth company/fetal medicine, they are both great and have amazing scanners, but really depends on whether you will feel reassured or more stressed. This will sound weird, but I found the weekly scans much easier than the 2-3 day ones ARGC had me on at first, as I just trusted that everything was fine and wouldn't let anyone tell me otherwise until the next scan. See how you feel in a few days, as birth company in particular can usually do same or next day appointments. With the GP I would go sooner rather than later, as I found it took 4-5 weeks to get a MW appointment at my surgery as the booking in one is an hour and they had very few slots. Do think about which hospital you want (I know, sounds insane at this stage) but they ask you that when you first see the GP and I have found changing hospitals later down the line a real faff!

valinna I have FX for your ET tomorrow and hopefully the discharge was just a one off. Have you made any more decisions about 1 vs 2? I can totally understand what you mean about the impact of 2 as you already have a DS (and it is not weird at all to think about the impact on your body as well).

pocket yay on tentative team pink! The name game can truly being now.

beginning wow, 19ish weeks already. I bet you can't wait until your scan.

Lissy a year already! How amazing.

hoops how are you feeling?


BadgerFace Tue 19-Feb-13 13:49:23

Just popping in to say to Solars that I had some fertility related blood tests done by my GP and then got called in in a similar fashion and it ended up being because they'd also tested my cholesterol and it was slightly high so they wanted me to tell me. I was very annoyed that they'd a) made me worry unnecessarily about what I assumed was a fertility issue (like you I couldn't get an appt for a week after the call) and b) that they'd made me go in for something they could have told me over the phone!! So try not to worry, I am sure it's nothing to be concerned about.

vallinnapod Tue 19-Feb-13 21:16:37

You cannot make this up.....DS was diagnosed with Chicken Pox today!!! Seriously shockshockshock!

Waiting to hear from the clinic as to whether they will go ahead. I had it as a kid and when I mentioned it to the GP who diagnosed DS she thought it would be a non-issue. However the clinic nurse wanted to check with a doctor - which may now be tomorrow morning, delaying thawing.

Obviously don't want to waste an embryo but....! We decided to go with one...well, I say we. DH is all for two but he has a rather romanticised view of twins.

Lissy hope DD (and you) had a wonderful birthday!

highlove Tue 19-Feb-13 21:22:19

Oh Vall bloody hell! Really hope you can go ahead tomorrow. Let us know how you get on - will keep everything crossed. (By the way, only realised yesterday you are not actually Vanilla but Vallinna. <div emoticon>)

Sunny wow, grin grin Congratulations.

vallinnapod thinking of you and sending arrow prayers your way.


Mojangled hi my dear, thinking of you.

beginings, Badger, Teds, mini, Lissy and co, and anyone else who remembers me!

Too many wonderful women to say hi to so just sending some love, arrow prayers, baby dust and chocolate boobs your way. biscuit biscuit

wink wink XXXX

vallinnapod Wed 20-Feb-13 15:07:16

Well we went ahead. The embryo defrosted near perfectly 90-100% intact and had begun dividing away again. So here I sit on my way home. Potentially pregnant with my husband on the other side of the world wink

Solars Wed 20-Feb-13 15:49:53

Yay vallinnapod that's great news! Hope your DS doesn't suffer too much with the pox x

Badger thanks, I managed to get a copy of my bloods and there are a couple of red blood cell counts which are very very slightly under what they should be but more worryingly my FSH level is elevated to 12, in the past it has been 8.6 & 7.2 when I did my last ivf round. Also I've heard that ARGC don't like you to cycle if FSH is above 10, am I right? I guess I'll have to see what they say sad

Sunny hope all the worry is for nothing and the little one catches up with the other in good time for the next scan.

Waves to all, hope everyone is doing good x

vallinnapod good luck and huge hugs, it is all works out you can say - I conceived when my husband was on the other side of the world!

HUGS wink

Pocket1 Wed 20-Feb-13 19:01:04

Yay Vallina, great news. Hope the two week bench treats you kindly. Are you having any time off work? How is DS, spotty and scratchy?

Highlove good spot on Vallina's name. Embarrassed I got that wrong so often. But then I was calling you Highglove...

Sunny, any more thoughts/progress on scans?

Italian thank you for the hugs. How are things with you?

Evening to everyone else


sunnyg Wed 20-Feb-13 19:32:17

Vallinnapod great to hear you are now PUPO! I hope your time on the bench goes swiftly. Take it easy. I hope DS's chickenpox isn't too bad.

Italianhow are you? It's lovely to hear from you and thanks for the congrats. How are things going with the adoption journey?

solars have you heard back from ARGC yet about your bloods? It's agonising waiting for them to call isn't it. I'm not 100% about FSH but I think they do prefer it to be below 10 for you to cycle. But don't panic yet, wait to see what they say and if you want more info there is loads on the fertility friends forum of ARGC.

beginnings wow 19 weeks already. I hope you are doing well.

mini thanks for the tip about the ARGC scans. I'm still very grateful for the monitoring but yes sometimes It can be a bit nerve wracking. Still I can't complain, this is exactly what I wanted.And will have a think about hospitals - which I hadn't even given that a thought as yet!Thanks for the tip.

teds thanks for your insight into twins and measurements etc. I may have more questions for you as time goes on! Hope you are well

Thanks all for your encouragement with the measurements of the twins (I am not sure really I can even say that word yet. Feels so strange still!). I did decide to book an extra scan for Friday at the Birth Company whom I have heard have great scanners. Just to get some decent measurements, I figure it can't hurt. As it turns out I now have to have IVIG tomorrow at the clinic so will have a scan before that as well. So it'll be a case of two scans in two days! Might be a little overkill but oh well. I am also going to get myself down to the GP Friday to start the NHS side.

DSB oxo

highlove Wed 20-Feb-13 20:06:03

Yay great news Vallinna I have everything crossed for you.

Sunny will also be hoping your scans show everything is perfect.

Hi to everyone else - on the countdown to the weekend now!

MiniH Thu 21-Feb-13 08:57:58

valinna congrats on being PUPO and what a huge shame about DS's chicken pox. I hope clears up soon.

sunny good luck with ivig today and scan tomorrow - oh and ask them to do the ibabyscan if you remember. Means you have a video of it to watch all the time!

Hugs to italian. How everything is going well.


Solars Thu 21-Feb-13 12:07:43

Highlove do you start the injections (or sniffing) this weekend? I've got everything crossed for you on this cycle.

Thanks Sunny I will look on the fertility friend forum. My initial consultation with ARGC is still 2 weeks away, I had these bloods done with my GP. Will wait and see what ARGC have to say about them. Good luck with ivig & scan today!

highlove Thu 21-Feb-13 15:17:15

Thanks Solars no got another two weeks to go before I start down-reg. Are you on countdown to your ARGC appt? Feels like you're always waiting for something with this, doesn't it? Hope you are doing ok and the FSH result isn't worrying you too much - it can vary wildly so hopefully it was just a blip.

Sunny how did IVIG go? (Actually, what is IVIG please?!) Hope you got another chance to see your little beauties?

KerryOnCamping Thu 21-Feb-13 17:53:38

Ladies, I am so sorry for interrupting your thread when you don't know me but I'm at my wits end and would like to appeal to you for advice. I am trying for my first child and am 41. I got pregnant last year within two months of trying but had a mmc at 11 weeks. Since the ERPC last March I have not had a whiff of pregnancy. Three rounds of Clomid came to nought and so I asked for a lap & dye which was performed two days ago and showed a blocked fallopian tube (which the surgeon did not and will not fix) and a small amount of endometriosis behind the right ovary.

My consultant does not believe these two issues are the reason for my failure to conceive in the last year. He believes it is more likely due to my age. I am not convinced. My last two FSH scores were 6.5 and 8 and I ovulate every month with very regular, normal cycles. Was it simply a complete fluke when I fell pregnant easily last year? Did my ERPC cause this blocked tube and endo? Will having had this procedure make me more fertile over the coming months? Will IVF help someone like me (we can only afford one round)? Any advice or stories would be greatly appreciated and, again, apologies for the intrusion.

sunnyg Thu 21-Feb-13 18:12:55

Hi Kerry and welcome. I'm sorry to hear about your MMC last year and everything else you have gone through. I'm not an expert on blocked tubes and endo, actually sorry I know very little about these two. But your FSH is good and I have heard of women having a lot higher FSH scores. Also that you ovulated very month and have regular cycles is excellent. I wonder if it could be a combination of everything but either way my only piece of advice is would be to get a second or even a few other opinions before you make any steps. I wouldn't want to alarm you but I wouldn't waste too much time. I think the sooner you have more investigations you can make a plan and in that alone you'll feel happier. I'm sure the other very wise ladies here know more than me though and can help you out.

All went well today. Actually really well. The clinic did the scan as proceedure before the do the IVIG. Highlove IVIG is a drip, a blood product actually that is used to tame an over active immune system. So for immunes issues basically. But it's crazy expensive, but does seem to do the trick for many ladies.

So my scan was good, even with the crappy ARGC scanners the doc was able to get some pretty decent measurements, and the little beans have actually had quite a growth spurt since Monday. And the little one today was only just behind. It's amazing how this little thing can make you so happy. I'm also realistic that things can change fast, and at these very early stages there can be ups and downs, but for today I am one happy lady.

Seeing I had already made the booking and I want to try the place out I am going ahead with our extra scan tomorrow at the Birth Company. If we are happy we may just change to them from now on like many ARGC ladies do for their scans. Mini thanks for the tip about ibaby - sounds exciting. You don't (as you know) even get a print out at ARGC so this all sounds very mod cons!


highlove Thu 21-Feb-13 18:22:00

Just a quickie: yay Sunny how fabulous x

KerryOnCamping Thu 21-Feb-13 18:22:04

Sunny, thank for your response, very kind. I have lurked here and am thrilled for you that your two babies are thriving, you must feel like the luckiest girl in the world. So pleased for you.

What other investigations would you suggest (I thought I'd had them all?) My consultant wants to see me in six weeks to discuss the findings from the lap & dye but I am toying with self-referring to the CARE clinic in Manchester for one round of IVF, which is all we can afford. Prior to this operation we were about to embark on three rounds of IUI but I now feel that would prove to be useless. Any thoughts on this?

wellerbabe Thu 21-Feb-13 19:09:10

sunny really pleased for you. DSB!!! grin

Hoophopes Thu 21-Feb-13 20:58:46

Hi Kerry - am unsure why the dr would not unblock the fallopian tube, as surely that will reduce attempts at natural fertility and definitely IUI. Agree I wouldn't waste time at 41 though.Only thought I had was I don't know when new NICE guidelines are to be implemented but they say now NHS funding until 42, so could you contact your PCT to see if you could get treatment on NHS for one attempt - think new guidelines allow NHS funding for 39-42 for 6 cycles of IUI and one IVF, that is if your area has any NHS funding at all for fertility treatments? Also CARE accept NHS funding!! Not a well known fact and depends whether your PCT is near the CARE but if it is then it may well do so. So I would phone your PCT and Care Manchester tomorrow to: - see if you can tap into NHS funding, to book a free open evening at CARE Manchester (anyway, useful source of free information!) and would get as many tests for free on NHS as possible whilst you decide!!

Sunny - great news!!

Lissy - thanks, that may be a helpful option, I will pm you!

sunnyg Fri 22-Feb-13 18:54:17

Kerry I think Hoops has some great advice for you there about investigating both your NHS and private options. If you find out there is a terribly long wait for NHS funding etc then you can always go and do a private cycle and then see if you need your NHS. Just check your pct guidelines carefully as some will then knock off a NHS round if you've had private. But hopefully not. Also look at the HFEA website about clinics and success rates and particularly for ladies above 40 which can vary hugely. In terms of other investigations other ones I can think of off the top of my head, which may or may not be useful but I think at the very least may give you a wider picture of what is going on include: AMH blood test, Immunes testing (may be hard to get on the NHS but worth investigation, these aren't cheap if you have to pay privately but can reveal a lot), and possibly ask about having a hyterscopy or 'scape' if you end up having IVF. This is really useful to cover a few things such as checking for fibroids and cyst, measuring your uterus for transfer and giving things are good 'clean out' down there. Also research has found it can aid implantation up to 40%. This is usually done just before an IVF or during the stimulation phase. I understand there is a good chance some/all of these may not be available on the NHS, but some things for you to think about and research and well if you don't ask you don't get so I'd say ask your consultant at the very least. I hope this helps a little.

Vallin how are you going on the bench? I hope remaining relatively calm.

AFM we had our Birth Company scan this afternoon and I was totally amazed! It was fantastic! So clear and the sonographer was lovely and spent ages explaining and showing us things. I am sold! So both are now nearly measuring the same size, both have good heat beats and both seem to be on track. I couldn't ask for more. And ibaby Mini, I am hooked!

Also saw my GP today who was lovely and totally supportive we had bi-passed our NHS go for ARGC. Actually her daughter is currently 24 weeks pregnant with twins from IVF! She said someone from the NHS would be in contact soon to probably arrange everything and my first NHS scan would probably be at about 12 weeks and then every 4 after. Apparently I also need to start thinking about hospitals! Wow, really already?! But I guess best to be prepared.

Sorry for long message. Hope everyone is well and happy weekend. Looks like it's going to be another cold one so stay warm all.

DSB oxo

MiniH Fri 22-Feb-13 19:35:02

sunny that is brilliant news,i am so pleased. Try not to watch the video all day grin

kerry welcome and I'm so sorry to hear about your difficulties. If one tube is clear you could still conceive on that side but it would reduce your odds which isn't helpful. I agree with others about seeing if you can get a second opinion on unblocking. Re IVF, you bypass the tubes so blockage doesn't matter but not sure about the endo, sorry, although I think some of the other ladies know more about this. You definitely need more answers and hopefully some of hoops suggestions will help with that.

We are off on our 'baby moon' next week so may be off line for a while but will try and check in on progress as much as possible.

Hugs to all and DSB xx

vallinnapod Sat 23-Feb-13 13:33:31

Totally convinced it is not going to work Sunny so not really going mad. I feel so different to my IVF cycle that I feel it can't possibly have worked. Which is stupid, I know.

Due to test next Friday...and am spending the weekend with my two pregnant best friends....

Never had a negative pregnancy test so no idea how I will feel confused

vallinnapod Sat 23-Feb-13 13:34:34

Should clarify, next weekend is with my two best friends who are pregnant...not my best friends because they are pregnant wink

vallinnapod Sat 23-Feb-13 13:52:38

Also - QQ. When is it feasible to test stupidly early if I had a day 5 blast put back on Weds?!

gingernutdreams Sun 24-Feb-13 22:33:17

Fab news Sunny about your scan with the birth company, and their fab technology, and great that the little ones are doing well and they littler one has caught up.

Yey also to Vall being PUPO, try not to panic too much and fingers and toes crossed for you for your test next Fri. Not sure how much earlier would give an accurate result....

Mini enjoy your babymoon!

Welcome Kerry and sorry to hear about your mmc and subsequent problems. I too would say get second opinions. I hope you get the answers you need. I am also at CARE Mcr and I think they are great (though have not yet been successful).

Hello to Pocket, Bugsy, Hoops, Italian, Highlove, Beginnings, Solars and all you other lovely ladies.

I have had a nice weekend with some old friends, having afternoon tea and champagne. It took my mind off all this for a while, so will have to do as Sunny suggests and keep my weekends busy whilst I wait for my immune test results.


sunnyg Mon 25-Feb-13 13:01:47

Thanks for all of your good wishes.

Mini have a fantastic baby moon.

Vall I was too convinced it hadn't worked and had zero symptoms but got the suprise of my life. So have everything crossed for you. I'm not sure when would be the earliest you can test sorry.

ginger sounds like you had a lovely weekend and glad to hear you are keeping busy. It really will help to pass the time.

DSB oxo

Pocket1 Mon 25-Feb-13 20:50:46

Vallinna sorry but i dont know how early you can test - i always had blood tests and just went on the day the clinic booked me in. Are you POAS or blood test? I have everything crossed for you smile

Ginger, your weekend sounds lovely - oooohhhhh champagne... yum.


vallinnapod Mon 25-Feb-13 21:10:05

Thanks Pocket. At my clinic you POAS and then if it's positive you have blood tests to check it's not ectopic.

BadgerFace Tue 26-Feb-13 15:36:43

Vallinna If you had a trigger shot like Ovitrelle or similar then you shouldn't test much more than the day before the official test day as the hormones in the shot can give a false positives sometimes if you test too early.

Good luck!!

vallinnapod Tue 26-Feb-13 15:57:41

Thanks Badger - FET so no trigger. Clinic did confirm I should test on 4th March shock - which would work out as 12 days post transfer (16dp"EC")

Pocket1 Tue 26-Feb-13 21:06:17

Vallinna I always tested 14 days after ec.... I might be tempted to test two days earlier than you've been told... But please do what you feel best and feel free to ignore me! smile

wellerbabe Fri 01-Mar-13 11:35:27

Vall I was told to test on day 12 post 2 day transfer but I did it on day 9 and got a positive which was a real one. That was 14 days after the trigger shot.

vallinnapod Fri 01-Mar-13 22:50:41

Tests still showing a BFN. Aware it's not over yet but it's looking pretty crap.

Pocket1 Sat 02-Mar-13 07:52:13

Vallinna I was just coming on to wish you lots of luck for your test. But I see you've done one already. Don't give up hope, test again on 4th x

gingernutdreams Sat 02-Mar-13 21:11:58

Fingers crossed for you Vallina that the 4th brings you that BFP. x

BadgerFace Sun 03-Mar-13 19:57:17

Fingers crossed for tomorrow for Vallina here too...

vallinnapod Mon 04-Mar-13 07:58:34


The positive about being an idiot and testing so early has been at least I have been getting my head around the possibility for a while. Still, swinging between philosophical and devastated. The hardest part I think is that the embryo was and defrosted so perfectly.

Still, I have DS. Oh and a horrendous virus which I am now looking forward to all the over the counter drugs I can consume to treat!

Pocket1 Mon 04-Mar-13 08:42:17

Vallinna, so sorry about your bfn hmm. Life just isn't fair sometimes. As well as the OTC meds, have a glass of wine too thanks

Pocket1 Mon 04-Mar-13 08:42:49

Obviously not at the same time blush

vallinnapod Mon 04-Mar-13 16:03:26

Really pocket?! Sort of hoping that would help me sleep though DS waking wink

MiniH Tue 05-Mar-13 01:06:02

valinna so sorry about the bfn. I know you have been expecting it but it still sucks and will hurt. I definitely found OTC meds, wine, gooey cheese and rare steak helped last time for me. We are here when you are ready to think about next steps. Big hugs xx

sunnyg Tue 05-Mar-13 19:06:01

Valinna so sorry to hear about your bfn. Even though you didn't have great hopes we were all hoping for the best. Let us know when you need to vent, or talk and we'll be here. Big hugs and big glass of wine oxo

sunnyg Tue 05-Mar-13 19:06:46

I'm sorry I've been a bit absent but I've had a bit of a horrid week. Got a terrible gastro/virus thing last Tuesday and ended up in hospital on a drip. Luckily a scan showed the peanuts as being fine. Then on Saturday night had a massive bleed and thought it was really game over. Back up to hospital and amazingly the peanuts were still okay. I know alot of women bleed in pregnancy but seeing I hadn't even had any spotting and it was alot of blood (gushing - sorry if tmi) I was in real shock. Had another scan today and was so nervous, but again today there they were. I know I'm not quite out of the woods yet, but feel so relieved. Have been put on bed rest for a week and another scan set for Friday. They don't know what the bleed was, no sign of anything on the scan, but the docs don't seem to be too worried. So trying to just trust in them and do exactly as they say. And funnily enough I have this strange feeling that I have a couple of tough little peanuts in here. Bring on that 12 week scan I say. (9 weeks this Thursday).

big hugs to all oxox

Hoophopes Tue 05-Mar-13 19:25:28

So sorry to hear ofyour bfn Valinna

Sunny gosh, what a time. Sorry to hear of it, but good to hear the hospital are taking you seriously, scanning you etc and giving you lots of good advice! When I bled they basically told me no scans, nothing they can do anyway (am thankful for ability to have private reassurance scans thesedays!!) - your gut instinct sounds strong! Wow, 9 weeks already smile, that is exciting!

vallinnapod Tue 05-Mar-13 19:26:12

Thanks guys - going to go for the next frosties in June I think.

Sunny - bleeds are scary as. I had two with DS. Proper bright red, game over ones - only obviously they weren't. No explanation what so ever. Although you do learn it is really much more common than you think. I have everything crossed for you all. Every week further on you get the better your chances of going the whole 9 months. You are doing great xxx

gingernutdreams Tue 05-Mar-13 21:40:34

Vallinna so sorry about your BFN. Hugs to you sweetie.

Sunny also really sorry to hear of the scary time you have been having, but glad you are being well looked after and monitored, and it really does sound like your little peanuts are toughies. Take care and hugs to you too. xx

BadgerFace Wed 06-Mar-13 10:38:48

Vallinna sorry to hear it was a BFN. I hope you're looking after youself and taking things easy.

Sunny how scary for you but good to hear that you're being well monitored. 9 weeks! DD is 9 weeks on Saturday so your bean counts and her birth are nearly entirely in sync. A sign I am sure!! grin

Waves to everyone else.

MiniH Wed 06-Mar-13 15:32:41

sunny just sending you a quick hug. Sounds like an awful week but so so glad you are all ok. There are quite a few twin mamas on the Argc threads on fertility friends and they all seem to say bleeds are common with twins so have a look there if you would like some more reassurance.


Pocket1 Wed 06-Mar-13 21:07:02

Sunny you poor love. You have been through the mill haven't you, but your little ones do seem to be strong - wow 9 weeks! I had a couple of bleeds early on so I know just how scary it is. But it seems like you're being well monitored. Take care and look after yourself. And roll on 12 weeks. smile

Vallinna hope you're doing okay. Its a good focus to have our next cycle lined up and June gives you enough time to let your hair down and relax a bit too. wine

Wow Badger 9 weeks. Hope you're both doing okay. thanks

I'm 22.5 weeks now. I def have a bump and feel kicks all day long. I still fret about things being okay, I think this AC journey does that to you ...

Hello to everyone else. Hope everyone is doing okay. grin


MiniH Thu 07-Mar-13 15:02:58

sunny just realised (I think) what your name is on fertility friends so ignore my earlier post as looks like you've already asked. Xx

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chocoloco1 Fri 08-Mar-13 07:34:27

I'm sorry for barging in too - I was briefly on here back in December, but deserted after my BFN.

expat my DH had surgical sperm retrieval (PESA) back in August after a VR back in 2010 on a 21 year old vasectomy. No success story in terms of pregnancy yet(on 2ww of 2nd cycle), but they managed to get 12 vials of motile sperm after quite a few aspirations. His was under local anaesthetic and although was sore at the time, he didn't suffer much discomfort after. We were pleased with the outcome as was 0% motility before, which obviously gave us no chance!

If you have any other questions about it, ask away!

sunnyg Fri 08-Mar-13 17:01:51

Hi expat* and welcome. And welcome back to chocoloco. I'm sorry but I don't have any knowledge really on surgical sperm retrieval but I am sure the other ladies here might be able to help.

I've had some good news today. Had another scan (yes 3rd in a week! can't complain that I'm not being looked after) and it was brilliant. Both babies are fine and measuring spot on. The sonographer was brilliant and said actually it's better that they can't find an exact thing for the bleed because if it was a cycst or something like that it would most likely mean more bleeding was imminent. I know we've still got a long way to go, but I think things are looking a little on the up. So onwards and upwards I say.

Thanks to all for your kind words and support this week. It's been a tough one but feeling loads better. My boss has been amazing and I'm going back to work next week but just doing part-time or whatever I can manage. It means quite a cut in salary, but would rather be safe than sorry and the bed rest seems to have helped this week.

Mini thanks for the tip of FF but I think you had already found me! Everyone on FF has been really helpful, including yourself about the hospital options. So thanks!

ginger any news on your immunes?

Big hugs to all and happy Friday eh! oxo


gingernutdreams Fri 08-Mar-13 18:54:25

Sunny so pleased to hear you and the peanuts are doing well, and also that your boss is being so understanding, it must be a weight off your mind.

I don't have the results of the immunes and a subsequent review appointment until 8th April, which feels like ages away! sad but I shall continue to try and keep myself distracted till then.

Happy weekend to all, and hello to our new members chocoloco and expat


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gingernutdreams Mon 11-Mar-13 21:08:45

Thanks Expat. We spend a lot of time waiting on the AC journey, don't we! Hopefully it will be worth the wait in the end. Good luck and all the best for your DH's surgery. I hope all goes well and you get the results you want. Oh, and yes, 2ww is the 2 week wait (which sometimes feels a lot longer.. wink)


Frosticle Tue 19-Mar-13 14:03:36

sunny - what a horrible time you've had recently! I am SOO pleased for you that your little ones are nice and snug and coming along nicely. It's always so reassuring to see on the scan. Onwards and upwards indeed! smile

Vallinna - You've had a ghastly time too. I am so, so sorry about your BFN - how bitterly disappointing - and to have a bug to contend with as well adds insult to injury. I really hope you took the advice - and the OTC meds - and are feeling better.

ginger - you are so right. The waiting with this AC game is such a trial. We do a lot of it but we also know the dates do eventually roll round and the "prize" at the end will be so worth it.

expat - I hope all went well with your DH's surgery on Friday.

AFM, I am sorry to have some sad news. Following the 20 week scan, it was discovered that our baby had serious heart defects which could not be fixed and which meant that ultimately she would not survive. Everything else about her was perfect and up until that point the pregnancy seemed to be going so well. We took the very painful and heartbreaking decision to terminate the pregnancy - the very last thing we wanted to do - before our beautiful baby girl's situation deteriorated. I went through labour the weekend before last and our special little Mother's Day gift arrived very early on Mother's Day. We were able to spend the day with her, holding and cuddling her, which was really lovely -and extremely sad. The hardest part was leaving her behind. She has had a postmortem to see if a cause for the heart defects can be found but we won't know the results for 6-8 weeks (more waiting ...). The hospital, my DP and our friends have all been amazingly supportive which really helps and fortunately, my DD is dealing with the loss of her much wanted sibling very well.

It's still early days but I think we'll try again however we need to wait a few months to give my body time to recover.

Best wishes and hugs to you all!


highlove Tue 19-Mar-13 18:25:18

Oh Frosticle I'm so very, very sorry for the loss of your beautiful little girl. I have no words I'm afraid - what a truly heartbreaking thing. I will be thinking of you, your DP and DD. You sound very strong; do make sure you are very kind to yourself and give yourself lots of time. Take care of yourself x

vallinnapod Tue 19-Mar-13 20:47:01

Frosticle I am heartbroken for you. My thoughts are with you and your family xxx

Pocket1 Tue 19-Mar-13 21:02:29

Dear Frosticle. I'm so to hear about the loss of your beautiful little girl. I just cant believe it and can't imagine what you've been through. I'm pleased you had some time together and hope that brings done comfort. Sending you the hugest of hugs. x

Beginningofthejourney Tue 19-Mar-13 21:37:07

Just wanted to say I'm thinking of you too frosticle sorry for the out come but sounds like the hospital hopefully helped a tiny bit by giving you some time together. Take care of yourself x

MewAngel Wed 20-Mar-13 16:50:38

Hello beautiful Mums and Mum-to-be. Just want to introduce myself briefly. My username comes from one of my favourite bands and my new tattoo.
I hope I'm in right place - I have experience help from ACU and at the moment I'm pregnant for 3rd time (2 previous early miscarriage). This pregnancy is an result of frozen embryo transfer and... I really have concerns and I'm on the edge of breakdown... First scan booked for 4th April.
I really need support and as I decided not to tell people around about my situation I hope I will be able to share with You.
Please forgive me and grammar mistakes or basic vocabulary - English is my second language and I'm still learning.

gingernutdreams Wed 20-Mar-13 18:26:44

Frosticle I am so so sorry to hear your sad news. Sending love and huge hugs. Take good care of yourself and take all the time you need. I also hope you find some answers as to the cause of the heart defects. xx

Welcome MewAngel. We are all here for you to share, whether it be worries, heartbreak or joy. Congratulations with regards to your pregnancy. If you don't mind me asking, what are your concerns? It is perfectly natural to feel anxious, especially after having to go through assisted conception, and after 2 previous early miscarriages, but is there another reason you may feel worried? Try to stay positive if possible, and take each day, and each scan as it comes. smile


MewAngel Wed 20-Mar-13 20:27:49

Dear gingernutdreams
Just yesterday I noticed kind of brownish discharge... also I had strong headache which often, in the past, 'introduced' period, also feeling of being heavy on the bottom of my belly...
Important is also that previously I kind of knew just before that something is going wrong. I guess I feel it again. I'm stuck, i feel like I run out of possibilities. No more embryos left, no answers on questions like why we can't get pregnant, why if get pregnant I loos them in 6-7th week.
Till this time there was always plan B, next embryo. Now I'm desperate to get answers as so farall our results are just perfect.
I'm freaking out now and find it difficult to stay positive.
Thank you letting me share this with you.

MewAngel Wed 20-Mar-13 20:35:01

Frosticle heartbreaking life story... It is great that you could spend that time with her. My thoghts are with you... I hope future will give you healthy baby. Take care and be strong

Frosticle Wed 20-Mar-13 23:04:33

Thank you so much, lovely ladies, for your concern and kind words.

MewAngel - poor you having to go through this. Have you informed the clinic and to ask their advice or maybe your doctor or hospital A&E? I had bleeding at 10 weeks with my DD and I went to the hospital A&E. They were very good at checking it out and also sent me for an early scan. Might be worth a try?

MiniH Thu 21-Mar-13 18:11:37

Frosticle I am so very sad to hear about your beautiful little girl. Sending you and your family my sincerest condolences. We are all here for when you want to try again but you will need that physical and emotional time to heal. Big hugs xx

MewAngel welcome and I'm Sorry to hear about your previous losses. I would agree that a visit to the EPU and/or a and e makes sense. Hormones fluctuate a lot during pregnancy and headaches are very common and brown discharge is old blood but given your history you really should get it checked. It will help put your mind at ease as well which is so important. Let us know if you go and what they say.


sunnyg Thu 21-Mar-13 18:22:23

Frosticle I have just seen your post and I am so so sorry. There are no words to properly express the heartbreak you and your family have and must be going through. Thinking of you.


BadgerFace Fri 22-Mar-13 11:17:27

Frosticle So sorry to hear your news. Just wanted to add my condolences.

MewAngel I second going to A&E to get checked out. Welcome to the thread. The ladies on here are a wonderful source of support and shared experience. Best of luck with the next step in your journey.

Hoophopes Fri 22-Mar-13 15:20:04

Frosticle I am so sorry about your news, thank you for sharing at such a sad time. I hope that day helped you, you can the time you need to recover before you can re-start your journey.

gingernutdreams Sat 23-Mar-13 20:13:07

MewAngel I can completely relate to your fears. I had a miscarriage last Sep, which I found out on our 6 week scan so I fully expect to feel those concerns and anxieties if I ever get another BFP. I also know what it is like to instinctively feel that it is all over. I hope your instincts are proved wrong in this instance though. I agree with the other ladies' advice to contact your clinic or A&E to get it checked out. I am keeping my fingers crossed that all is well for you. You say that so far you have not been given any answers as to why you are struggling to get pregnant or to maintain the pregnancy, this is also true for me.. mine is unexplained as yet. I have recently done some immune tests with my clinic, which was not cheap, but I am hoping will provide us with some answers and hopefully some solutions. I have 2 frozen embryos, so want to do everything I can to make it happen for us this time. I hope you too can get some answers and happy news. We are all here for you.

LissySilver Sat 23-Mar-13 22:19:27

Dear Frosticle, I'm heartbroken for you. Please take the time you need to grieve, and surround yourself with people who support you...

mui67 Sun 24-Mar-13 15:12:41

Hello ladies,
Hope you don't mind me gatecrashing.
i would like to say congrat to ladies with bfP and expecting soon.
Frosticle - I saw your post. So sorry for your loss.
Pocket - many thanks for the support via PM

AFM - I've just had a bfn (1st cycle of fresh DE IVF). Got 2 frosties in freezer. Before ET, I had a hysto to remove polyp & scar. I was on baby aspirin, clexane, prednisolone, intralipids, thyroxine & acupuncture for immune, clotting & thyroid problems. I have stopped HRT & progesterone & weaning prednisolone off. I don't know how long before AF shows itself. Does anyone know after a bfn?

Pocket1 Mon 25-Mar-13 18:17:38

Welcome Mui. Glad you found us. This thread was a lifeline for me during treatment. And the lovely ladies were the hugest support. It is invaluable being able to share stories and get support from those in a similar situation. I wish you all the best for your bet cycle. smile

How is everyone doing? It's quiet in here

Frosticle you're in my thoughts often. Sending you a hug x

Pocket1 Mon 25-Mar-13 18:18:42

Sorry fat fingers on mobile. I meant 'next' cycle blush

MiniH Mon 25-Mar-13 21:21:48

mui welcome and sorry to hear about your bfn. It really depends for af as mine was instant but can take a few days for progesterone to drop and af show up.

highlove Tue 26-Mar-13 07:18:01

Hello all, yes pocket it has been quiet here hasn't it? How is everyone?

pocket hope you and bump are doing well - I saw on another thread you're 25 weeks now. Wow, that's gone quick.

Mini how are you doing?

Gingernut have you got your immunes back yet. Hope you start to get some answers.

Sunny how are you and the twinnies? Have you had your 12 wk scan now?

Frosticle not sure if you'll be reading this but you have been in my thoughts.

Mui welcome and sorry about your BFN. I started to bleed about three/four days after stopping tge progesterone. Have you got a cycle review appt lined up? Hope you can get some answers and a way forward.

AFM, our next cycle was put back a couple of months for reasons our of our control. So it's not been a great few weeks - having initially been so anxious about our next go I'd totally got my head round it and have really struggled with it not going ahead. I just feel totally despondent about the whole thing - cant see why it would work and feel like its never going to happen for us. I can't even imagine having a baby anymore. We've only had one failed ICSI (and a successful IUI which ended in mc) so I know I shouldn't feel so negative, just not got my head in a good place with it all.

Sorry very whingy post! Hope you are all ok x

ExpatWifey Tue 26-Mar-13 10:01:09

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mui67 Wed 27-Mar-13 23:03:09

Good evening ladies and how are you all doing?

my AF arrived today. i must say the flow and colour are better than i ever remembered.

I read in another forum that AF could be tested for hidden chlamydia. All my pre-cycle tests were negative. i read in another forum that ladies had negative test on the usual screening but with AF blood it tested positive. The ladies there reported that once they've been treated most of they get bfp. I just wanted a peace of mind so sent it to Athens for testing. My clinic ok with my decision.

Shall keep you posted.

Luckystarfour Thu 28-Mar-13 18:31:28

Hi all

Sorry to have been a stranger - I have just been reading through and trying to catch up.

Given im on my iPhone I can't name tag anyone but namely

Frosticle - I am so so sorry to hear your sad news. You sound strong but I'm sure it is really difkcult. Lots of love and do take care of yourself

Sunny - so pleased that ARGC have worked their magic
Everytime i read about their successes I keep thinking should we swap. But then i read that HSFC still have one of the top success rates and they have made our last experience far less stressful than Care ever did so we shall stick with them.

Congrats to the developing bumps - so pleased to hear the pregnancies are developing nicely and quickly it seems!

Welcome newbies - good to read your stories and happy to offer any support I can.

Expat wifey - sorry to have just missed the timing of your question re TESA - my hubby went through the general for collection. Sad to say ours didn't work - when it came to defrost on the actual ICSI cycle, despite the results being good on the day of his op, no sperm was alive - frustrating!

So after a month away in the hot hot sunshine (37 degrees everyday) we arrive back with a big brave decision to scrap any more false hope using my hubby's sperm and to take the leap and go for a donor. Not an easy decision at all and we both still feel very sad -yet pragmatic that if this is our pathway to a family then we will take it.

So getting set for the end of April ( round 5!) I can honestly say I have nearly lost count ;-(

Good to be back in touch ladies xx

gingernutdreams Fri 29-Mar-13 16:32:09

Hello Pocket! How are you and bump doing?

Highlove sorry to hear your cycle was put back, and you have not been in a good place emotionally lately. I hope that when your next cycle comes around you feel more relaxed and positive, because who knows, this one really maybe the one that brings you good news. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.

Expat I hope you and DH come to a decision that suits you both and your next cycle is a success.

Welcome back Luckystar. Good luck for your next round at the end of April. I can completely understand your sadness in deciding to go for donor sperm rather than using your DH's but it makes sense to do all you can to get that family you both long for. Fingers crossed for you both too.

AFM, I am still waiting for my review appointment on 8th April to discuss whatever my results reveal about my immune tests. I am feeling a bit negative about it at the moment, but trying to keep my chin up and believe that we may finally get some answers and some real hope of success. Will let you all know what the outcome of the appointment is.

Hello to all you other lovely ladies.

smile smile



sunnyg Sun 31-Mar-13 14:27:08

Hello ladies and Happy Easter Sunday to all. I hope you are all well, and munching down on as much chocolate as possible - wherever you are.

MewAngel Welcome and congrats on your BFP. How are things now? Did you get some answers on your concerns? I've had quite a lot of bleeding and I've done both what the other ladies have suggested. Gone to A&E and my clinic and sometimes both! I say do whatever you need and speak to whoever you can to feel reassured. But I know how difficult a BFP is after past loss and dissapointment. I hope you are doing okay now?

Mui I am sorry to hear about your BFN. It's so hard. I hope you enjoy this thread you'll get so much support and friendship here.

Ginger my friend hang in there. I am really hopeful about your immunes being able to shed some light, and if not you can take solace that you have at least ticked that box. Not long now. We'll all be waiting to hear.

Highlove I am sorry to hear about the delay in start to your treatment. How frustrating. Especially when you have geared yourself up. Have they given you a new start date yet and is this something definite?

Expat glad to hear DH's retrieval went well. I understand your concerns totally about going through treatment away from friends and family and then having a baby in the same situation. I'm from OZ but living here in the UK with my British DH and I won't pretend it's been easy being so far from friends and family. But you've only been away a short time (Not sure how long your expat stay is planned for?) and although when I got here I felt very lonely, slowly over time I've met people and made a small group of friends that has really helped. But what has helped me most of all, is this forum and understanding from everyone here, from only those that can really know and understand. And with two on board I can't tell you how overwhelmed (but grateful)I've felt about having babies with no family in the country. But I feel like I'm so lucky to be here, and facing this is nothing like facing the mountain that can be fertility treatment, so whatever happens, if you stay abroad or at some time you come back, you'll get through. Step by Step, day by day.

Luckystar welcome back and sounds like some sunshine and rest has lead you to a difficult decision but one with new direction (if that makes sense!). We'll all be gunning for you in April.

And our bump friends how are we all? Did I hear Pocket you are 25 weeks? Can it be? I hope all is well. And Mini how far are you?

AFM had our 12 week scan last wednesday. I can't believe it. Sorry I've been a bit AWOL but had a bit of a rough ride. Quite a lot of bleeding so been put on bed rest on and off. Finally though they have found the culprit and I've got a clot on my cervix. At this stage it's quite small, but obviously they don't want it to get bigger. Apparently they are especially common in IVF and more so in twin pregnancies. But I've been well looked after between the clinic and a few rushed trips up to A&E so I can't complain. Just told a few people - no big broadcast here. All in good time. Still quite cautious but believing more and more each day.

Sorry for the long email. Will try and post shorter, more regularly. Been quite sick so not been online much. Sorry if I've forgotten anyone too!

DSB oxox

Hoophopes Sun 31-Mar-13 16:11:32

Sunny so glad to hear you at least have a reason for the bleeding and that both embies have got to the 12 week mark. I am sure you will be well looked after and hopefully each week you get past will help ease your concerns. I had bleeding at 23,24 and 25 weeks - an internal exam each time, nothing diagnosed, times of stress - but it all went well! Got me half days at work,more time to rest - and thankfully a good and healthy baby at the end!! Take good care of you and your little ones!!

Beginningofthejourney Sun 31-Mar-13 16:34:15

Happy Easter everyone, hope everyone is well?
Good to hear 12 week scan was good sunny hope things settle down and you can start enjoying your pregnancy
I've been checking in regularly to see how everyone is.
I'm 26 weeks this week, time is going very quickly! I've got a big bump and enjoying lots of kicks,