The Clomid Crew - Part 2

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goldengirl71 Tue 20-Nov-12 14:33:17

"Come on, ovaries! Let's get this party started, yeah?!"

rainbowbreeze Tue 20-Nov-12 15:49:59

Made me smile this grin
What Clomid cycle are you on ? Im taking my 2nd lot at the mo..

Charlotte321 Tue 20-Nov-12 16:08:32

I'm too amateur for this crew - about to have my tubes checked but if all clear I may be on clomid soon so wanted to say hello and would be good to have a snoop in here and find out how it's going for all of you! Hopefully you'll all have BFPs by the time I join the crew though! Unless my ovaries get partying on their own soon! wink

goldengirl71 Tue 20-Nov-12 16:31:51

Hello, Rainbowbreeze and Charlotte, I do hope you join us properly - there are a terrific bunch of girls on here and I'm so glad we've got each other smile

Rainbow, I'm on my second cycle of 50mg Clomid. Had my scan today and there are two good-sized follicles ready to burst. I had the HCG injection same as last month, only this month I am not going to get over-excited again - last cycle I released two eggs and none were fertilised thanks to my 41 year-old decrepit fecking eggs sad

Please do join us...and the very best of luck to you both thanks

Charlotte321 Tue 20-Nov-12 17:09:51

Thanks for the welcome! smile hope you are lucky this cycle! By the way, did you (or do you know if anyone else here) tried agnus castus or any other herbs? I've heard they can act as natural clomid and get things going but not sure whether to try going down that route? You can't take them while doing clomid as they alter hormones so now would be the time if I am going to try them

Annalou84 Tue 20-Nov-12 17:39:59

golden good new about your eggs smile I so hope this cycle works for you grin

meluv any news on af or lack of it smile I have high hopes for you x

Welcome charlotte and rainbow this thread is fantastic and lady's with so much knowlage

I'm cd9 I'm going to start testing tonight. (2nd round 100mg) I don't seem to be getting any of the cramps or discharge that I had last month I blood hope it works sad

Meluv Tue 20-Nov-12 18:43:58

big Ello to all you lovely girls golden get bed rocking girl xxxx

Christelle2207 Tue 20-Nov-12 18:44:02

Hello and welcome newbies. On cd 19 of my first cycle of 50 mg.

Rosiechoice Tue 20-Nov-12 19:19:13

I carried on the old thread hmm welcome newbies thanks

charlotte I tried Agnus castus but it didn't help me, I tend to think its worth a try though! I think it does work for some people.

goldengirl71 Tue 20-Nov-12 19:42:33

I carried on the old thread, too hmm

Help! DP just got home and looked like this when I suggested sex tonight and first thing before work tomorrow: hmm He wants sex exclusively tonight, remarking that trying again in the morning will only produce a 'watery', small amount of sperm. Why does he stubbornly believe this? Why can't he at least try to fuck me twice in the next twelve hours? I'm afraid that, if we only have sex the once, tonight, the sperm will have died by the time I ovulate (which could be midnight tomorrow sad or even early Wednesday sad). Fucking sick of having to do the maths and fretting about ejaculatory issues.

Thanks to Rosie and Christelle...has anybody else got an opinion on this? Before the close of shop tonight?

Meluv, darling, I am shocked and really sorry about AF arriving. I still believe your body did an amazing thing by ovulating at long last. This was just a dress rehearsal - great things are in store for you thanks

Rosie, I am envy of your forthcoming 100mg dosage.

Annalou84 Tue 20-Nov-12 19:58:38

Meluv I'm so sorry that af has arrived this ttc journey is shit I wish I had a magic wand I would wish us all pregnant xxx

mumalah Tue 20-Nov-12 20:35:12

Golden Try tonight and Thurs am, that's got to work ! Your follicles sound positive and I am envy your hcg shot.
MeluvSo sorry af showed I was positive it was your month thanks
Hi charlotte and rainbow !

I've been using opk's this month. I haven't had a positive though, to be honest I dont feel like ive taken anything this month. Last month 50mg I had dizzyness, hot flushes, spots, and cramps. This month 100mg and nothing , nothing at all! All this is leading me to believe that again I haven't ovulated.

Aah golden good news about 6 months, I thought it was three for clomid. I will ask for another prescription on Friday when I go for scan and 21 bloods. My cycle just lately has been 30-31 days, should I ask for a blood test later too ?

Annalou84 Tue 20-Nov-12 20:51:21

Mumalah I feel the same 100mg and im getting nothing I really don't think this will work

summerintherosegarden Tue 20-Nov-12 20:51:46

Shiny new thread!

meluv I literally cannot believe it, I was convinced you were pregnant. Perhaps your lil queen has another plan for you - a Christmas BFP, or something else - you just wait, there'll be a reason. Treat yourself to a big glass of wine now my love. I am so impressed with your positivity - roll on next cycle. Are you booked in for an op to drain that cyst? Huge hugs.

golden you had your jab today yes? HAVE SEX TONIGHT! Remember that it takes the sperm a while to travel up into the fallopian tubes (can be up to 12 hours) Also having sex tonight will mean you're lying down while the sperm is swimming and I think gravity will help it out. You can try again in the morning but if your DP isn't up to it, don't stress him out, just try again tomorrow night (remember ov can be up to 36 hours after jab).
If you're managing it once a day you should be fine - especially since you get tons of EWCM, which is what the sperm live in. GOOD LUCK!

charlotte I also tried agnus castus and no help at all. I think if you're looking for a natural alternative you might be better off with soy as it does produce estrogen BUT tbh best bet really is to hold out for the clomid.

rosie I can't believe they acted that way about a second blood test, I think the thing to do now is - if you can't fit one in because of work - just go forward assuming you've ovulated and if AF doesn't show up for a couple of weeks, test, test, test! I read on another thread - "pregnant until proven otherwise" which I quite liked smile (though, no symptom spotting allowed in the clomid club!)

I've got to dash, but big hugs to all of you, sorry to those I haven't been able to write to personally. Lots of love xx

goldengirl71 Tue 20-Nov-12 20:55:58

Oh dear. There have been tears. DP ordered me to clamber atop the dining room table for 'hot sex' and I began to cry. DP: 'What's up now?' Me: 'We always have sex the night before ovulation and *I'M NOT GETTING PREGNANT!' [lots of snot and pouting] DP: 'Okay, let's have sex tomorrow night, sweetheart'. Me [howling now]: 'But we always have sex when you get home on the day of ovulation *AND IT'S TOO FUCKING LATE AND I'M NOT GETTING PREGNANT!' [more snot]

At this point, DP looked at me very sternly and said that he really doesn't want the pressure of sex at 6am, before work, when he will most definitely not be horny and performance anxiety might preclude him from ejaculating. 'But I thought a six-day sex drought had given you elephantine balls!!' I yelled. I started to cry very loudly. This is when I had an epiphany: babies shouldn't be made like this. It is all a nonsense. My darling DP should not be forced to set his alarm for 5.30, take his Viagra, wait for 45 minutes before knocking on my bedroom door and then trying to perform. It's hideously unsexy and unfair. If we shared a bed things may be different, but we don't - we have separate bedrooms - so we do not wake up together like normal people, reach out and touch one another and have sex (I hate sharing my bed, I cannot love someone who snores like a wart-hog and I abhor bedroom sex - so pedestrian and uninspiring).

So...we had sex. On the dining room table (which is, sadly, now becoming pedestrian). I didn't bother with Pre-seed as I've got swathes of ewcm. I have just got my positive LH surge at 8.30pm. Should I badger him for sex tomorrow night after work?

goldengirl71 Tue 20-Nov-12 21:09:19

Argh! Cross-posted! Summer, I am thrilled you're still with us! I was thinking about you in the bath hmm and worrying that you would only re-join us when your Gonal f journey has begun. Thank you (*all of you*) for your advice - priceless.

Mumalah 'day 21' prog tests should be carried out seven days before your period is due (which, if you have a 28-day cycle would translate as day 21). So, if I were you, I would have yours done on day 23 (allowing for a 30-day cycle). I really hope you've ovulated. If not, don't fret, it's not the end of your journey thanks

Annalou, you mustn't despair, either. Your consultant (when you see him) will tell you what other options are available. Clomid is not the end of your journey, either. I promise thanks

Charlotte, step away from the agnus castus - fucking hippy bollocks. There's a reason that there is no mumsnet thread called 'Agnus Castus R Us'.

Big shout out to Rainbow, Christelle, Npg1 and that lovely new lady who praises God alot xx

Rosiechoice Tue 20-Nov-12 21:18:46

golden I love your posts! I think you should be a writer! I'm so sorry you've been so upset though, all this ttc is sooo difficult and I think we've all been there, crying before, during or after sex because of the pressure. If I were you I'd try for tomorrow night as well but don't put too much pressure on DP, our poor guys putting up with us lot! LH surge too! Brilliant, I do hope this is your month (a long with the rest of us)

Thanks summer I like the new saying 'pregnant until proven otherwise', well I'm sure positive thinking won't do any harm!?! I just said to DH 'I'm not pregnant, I have no symptoms' so I'm doing well so far! Hope all's ok at your end

mumalah Tue 20-Nov-12 22:18:47

I've just noticed the consultant I saw cant count and I'm going for my blood test on day 22 this month. Cant do 23 as its a Saturday , let see what happens ..
Please do write a book golden- I for one would buy it, you could be the next EL james !
Right off to bed, still dtd as prescribed every other day. Probably, well past ovulation(if its actually happened)but no harm trying !
Night all !

npg1 Wed 21-Nov-12 06:29:06

Morning. Just wanted to write a quick message. Cd6 and a scan at 8am. Im still slightly bleeding, is this ok?

Christelle2207 Wed 21-Nov-12 07:18:40

probably not ideal-tell the nurse/sonographer before you start. did they want u to come this early in your cycle- if so most women would still have light bleeding at cd6..... let us know how you get on

Meluv Wed 21-Nov-12 07:38:35

Elo girls just a quick question realy .. When u got your af on clomid was it the same as it been as mine is very very light don't mean to sound horrid but it's that light I cud get away using no pads or tampons please let me no what is clomid doing to my body have a fab day girls an good luck to use who have there scan xxx

mumalah Wed 21-Nov-12 08:18:11

Meluv Have you tested again? I only say this because two pregnancies of mine were like your describing. I didnt know I was pregnant until I was 4 months after a friend suggesting I tested after having unusually light periods, when the norm for me was heavy. Both times I was carrying girls, I was told it was something to do with hormones ? My mini non-exsistent periods stopped around 5 months with both.
Clomid does not seem to have affected my af at all.

summerintherosegarden Wed 21-Nov-12 08:19:33

Another one here who thinks that golden really needs to write a book - The ex-stripper's guide to TTC over 40? It would very literally fly off the shelves, I can see the ladies in Sainsburys hiding a copy between their quinoa and Dorset Cereals muesli now.

golden you are so right, this is not how babies should be made. I was telling one of my friends about it and she said, "wow, so the whole 'made in love' thing is complete bollocks?" She then went on to tell me that her older sister, who has 2 kids, has been booking a regular babysitter in endeavours to produce number 3!
No, it shouldn't be this way, but sadly this is the reality for, I think, pretty much everyone for whom it takes longer than a couple of months. And that does make sense - if even a 'normal' couple has only a 25% chance in a given month, a bit of extra planning and conspiring is needed!
All that said, bless your DP, he is trying his best and I really think you guys could use a bit of sex for sex's sake. Tonight, could you seduce him in a slightly different manner? Don't mention any of the 'clomid' 'conceive' 'babies' words - just put on your hottest underwear and do whatever it is you do to get him in the mood. Maybe you could even try bedroom sex (since you never have it, could it not have unpedestrianised itself? wink)

meluv my AF on clomid was pretty light - I didn't use tampons, just pads - but if you don't need pads either, are you sure it's actually AF? Not just spotting? Could even be (whispers) implantation bleeding?

npg I'm surprised too that you've got a scan so early in your cycle, is it to look for follies or to simply ensure that you haven't got any cysts left over?
I wouldn't worry about the bleeding in terms of getting in the way of the equipment - my friend was scanned while she was miscarrying and I assume that involved a fair bit of blood (I didn't want to go into those sort of details, she was traumatised enough as it was..)

Christelle2207 Wed 21-Nov-12 08:44:11

meluv so sorry about your af our bodies are so cruel. if she doesnt get heavier though by the weekend i do think you should test, just in case its a different kind of bleeding!

goldengirl71 Wed 21-Nov-12 08:53:09

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goldengirl71 Wed 21-Nov-12 08:59:01

Summer, it's too late to seduce DP. I left him a note last night after he retired to bed. It read: 'Darling Boy...please would you take your Viagra to work in the morning so that you can take a tablet at, say, 7pm on the motorway and then we can have sex as soon as you walk through the door? Please don't be despondent...I am making your favourite pie!'

Moreover, I don't possess any underwear with even a scintilla of chutzpah sad

mumalah Wed 21-Nov-12 09:08:30

Hi I stumbled over this the other day There are both positive and negative outcomes.
I thought about joining that thread, but I find this one does the job !

goldengirl71 Wed 21-Nov-12 09:09:05

Npg1, I am also bamboozled at the notion of a scan on CD6. What the...? Do come and tell us what they were looking for - and good luck.

Meluv, I think I would test again, too. I think CD38 is far too late for implantation. What puzzles me is that you had a long luteal phase of approximately 16 days (if you ovulated on CD21) so I would have expected more blood as the uterus lining fell away. Could it be pregnancy spotting? Let's not speculate any another test, love.

Have a lovely day, everyone, I am feeling so, so sad and guilty for upsetting people. What is wrong with me? Why can't I just maintain the status quo and shut my mouth and say only the things that others want to hear? I was supposed to be supportive and instead I have pissed on people's bonfires. I am a twat sad

goldengirl71 Wed 21-Nov-12 09:28:37

Fuck. I am being pilloried on the other thread sad sad sad

mumalah Wed 21-Nov-12 09:52:54

golden Maybe go back and say your taking a break from that thread for a while. With all your knowledge and support, and posts that lift anyone's spirits when they are feeling down, how could they do without you ?

goldengirl71 Wed 21-Nov-12 09:59:43

Mumalah, thanks. I have posted to say I have left and that a thread which precludes any frank talking is not for me. I just wish I had kept schtum. They are right - that thread is for support, not quoting statistics! This is what I wrote:

'XXX, you mustn't leave the thread for this is the place to dream. A GP surgery, however, is the place for some straight talking, and I feel your doctor - who is not a fertility expert - is being very unfair in raising your hopes for another baby. I think she is irresponsible to bolster your dreams when you have suffered three miscarriages in the past two years. I wonder when she will offer to help you address giving up ttc. Next year? When you are 48? 49? 50?

I know I must come across as a damp squib with my quoting of statistics and words of caution, however, I feel strongly that it is grossly unfair to newbies to paint a rosy picture of ttc in our forties. Most people who come to this thread leave disappointed. Everyone is miscarrying. Nobody is enjoying the experience. It is fraught with anguish, despite the giggles we still have on here. I refuse to draw a veil over what is actually turning out to be a years-long journey of disappointment for some women who should be enjoying their mid-forties with their already-established families. I particularly feel cross at any GP who would not help a woman recognise what her body is trying to tell her at 46 after suffering three miscarriages in the past two years.'

This is what someone else wrote:

'golden I think the point is that you have confessed to a lot of things yourself that indicate confusion, obsession, questionable judgement. We could really go to town on all your inconstistencies cause they are glaring (not that you're not v likeable!). But we are nothing but supportive of you as we are of everyone here - mothers come in all shapes, sizes, ages and stages of development. We have cheered you on through very deep lows as we believe in you.

It's a failure on your part to project yourself into other people's shoes to start listing stats for women who are older than you.

I must admit I was tossing and turning a little last night at your frank outburst and wondering how older ladies would feel upon reading it. It's just not what this thread is about.


I am fucking rotten sad

npg1 Wed 21-Nov-12 10:01:11

Aww golden sad

I feel dreadful today, after trapesing to the hospital, getting there late because traffic was so bad, having the scan to say everything looks 'normal' for cd6 and then getting my children to school 20 mintues late and then was 25 minutes late for work. I just feel so fed up with all this and its only cd6! I cant believe how much effort is involved in TTC and im so cross and angry with my body at the moment for not being normal.

The parent of child I look after dropped off and I said im really sorry, she knows I have pcos and I told her I had to have a scan, I nearly told her about the clomid and everything but I didnt. I have to have another scan next monday cd11 and wondering if I should say anoything to my other job about the fact im going to be late, she knows we are trying and that I had a miscarriage.

Im just on a downer and wanted to rant! Sorry!

mumalah Wed 21-Nov-12 10:19:54

npg I'm glad your scan was normal, and hope your day gets better[smile
golden I can see both sides , and what you have said is probably what any health professional would say to the lady. However , when hearing this ,she prob felt deep down it was the truth, and instinct was to protect her own feelings ? But there is lots of success stories where ladies mid 40's and older are having babies, so maybe knowing that, gives that lady comfort and hope that she may be one of them. Dont let this get you down, ttc is stressful enough. wink

summerintherosegarden Wed 21-Nov-12 13:19:21

Yikes, it is a tricky one golden. What you posted was the truth. The fact is that older pregnancies have consistently worse outcomes for both mother and baby. If she has successfully carried 5 pregnancies and now keeps miscarrying, the embryos are simply no longer strong enough. There might be one in the future that is - but does she really want to keep putting herself through the heartache?
Well, I guess she does - and that is her choice - I don't think it was unreasonable of you to question it though (thank goodness we can be frank on here).
At the same time, she doesn't know how lucky she is - what I'd give to be able to have 5 kids!

npg I'm really sorry you're having such a shitty day. It is very involved and life becomes a constant waiting game long til my next scan, how long til my next blood test, how long til AF shows up... etc etc.
I feel so much better in fact for having a little break from it at the mo - last weekend I was hoovering while DH reclined in bed and we both pointed out simultaneously that if it had been the previous week while I was still on clomid I would have been screaming at him!
You must remember the dual curse of (a) highly emotional time TTC and (b) heightened emotions due to all the chemicals coursing round your blood!

I was chatting to a girl today who might very well be fertile (she doesn't know, no reason to suspect not) but has decided to adopt because she things it's wrong to bring another child into the world when there are so many in need of loving homes. I actually really wish I felt that way.

Meluv Wed 21-Nov-12 15:33:23

Npg I have a scan next tues cd7 for me it is to check on my cyst they found I can't take clomid this month hence that reason have they mentioned anythink to you about what they r looking for so early in your cycle ? ... Golden I think you are better off just on hear hunny were we can all be open an honest with each other some points an facts may hurt what is said but we all no there is no malaise in it big hugs cheer up you may have been pushed off that thread but we will never push u off hear u r so valued hear big hugs xxx

goldengirl71 Wed 21-Nov-12 16:58:38

Girls you are fantastic in your support of me when I have been an insensitive and imperious turd. Thank you. I have made my apologies and some nice things have been said in response so I shall leave those lovely ladies alone.

Npg1, I am sorry you have had such a fractious morning. I hear you regarding the 'effort' of TTC. Yesterday's scan, for me, involved four buses and 3½ hours travelling. You would think I lived in the South China Seas. However, it is all adding to our arsenal of knowledge and we must try to see it as empowering to know what is going on inside. I do understand the frustration, though thanks

Tell your other job what is going on for you, you need some TLC I am prepared to get it absolutely anywhere. I am a TLC whore

Summer, a lady of 45 I know who has just had her second baby via IVF (donated eggs from Barcelona) advised me not to even consider donor eggs if I am skint (she paid £10k for each round). She asked me if I would ever consider a donor embryo. She said she would have but her DH insisted on his sperm. I told her that, for me, a life is a life and I have no qualms about a baby not having its origins in mine or DP's genes. Like your friend, I feel strongly that adoption is an amazing kindness and, if it weren't for mine and DP's atrocious criminal records, I would be doing it in a heartbeat.

Well...wish me luck, ladies, on two counts: I am about to embark upon a steak, mushroom and bacon pie (with a layer of mash inside!) from scratch with which to seduce my beloved tonight (he is only permitted to eat his tea after he has deposited his sperm). Summer, I was going to reconsider the bedroom sex until I remembered our oversized pouffé in the lounge - fabulous for bending over and it's right next to the fire so my arse won't get cold. Yay!!

Meluv Wed 21-Nov-12 19:38:51

Golden I luv luv luv your post they make me howl I have now a mental picture of you bent over ya puffy with ya ass in the air the fire on getting mounted by your DP hmm pmsl enjoy hunny the food too xx

Rosiechoice Wed 21-Nov-12 20:57:33

npg i hope you're feeling a little better after a rubbish day.

golden i hope you're ok, as for the other thread mishap - forget it and stay with us, we appreciate you and want you here. I think I would have gone mad without this thread already and I'm not even past my 1st cycle! I hope your pie went well, it sounds delish! I also lol at the description of your ass up in the air, without getting cold - definitely something to consider!

Meluv definitely test! Have you got any cheap ovulation, LH surge tests? My friend did 1 when she thought she was having her period, got a positive LH surge, looked it on the net and found out that it can mean your pregnant too, it might be a way of getting an idea if you might be without having the worry of a bfn even though I don't think you need to worry about that wink

I didn't manage to get another blood test sad i got back from the photo shoot with work a little early, after having to turn round because of flooding I managed to get to my gp by 4.55 and asked the receptionist (brave I know) if there was anyway of getting a blood test done today, but she told me 'not today because there's no medically trained staff in today' !?! In a gp surgery!!! Apparently they were 'training' off site. So I will never know if I did actually ovulate or not - fingers crossed for next month!

goldengirl71 Wed 21-Nov-12 21:23:19

Rosie, I deffo reckon you ovulated this month and you are much more prepared now...roll on your next cycle!

I am ecstatic to announce my pie was fucking delicious a resounding success and both the pouffé and the dining table were used in tonight's episode of Have I Got Lube For You. Seriously, ladies, I used a ludicrously inappropriate amount of Pre-seed - so much so that DP was barely touching the sides. My poor drowned fanjo was slacker than a wizard's sleeve blush But...the deed is done and I am so proud of my darling boy. Have a great evening, everyone! grin

P.s...I love this thread, are all so lovely thanks

summerintherosegarden Wed 21-Nov-12 21:27:07

Have I Got Lube For You - definitely has to be one of your chapter titles.

So glad the pie and the pouffe went down a storm!

goldengirl71 Thu 22-Nov-12 09:12:25

Crikey. They're still ranting on the other thread as if I had some vendetta against women of a certain age trying for a baby. There are all sorts of women coming out of the woodwork to quote saccharine poems about 'holding others' dreams gently in your hand'. Where have they been for, like, forever? Folk who parachute into a thread and then fuck off should be shot angry

goldengirl71 Thu 22-Nov-12 09:43:17

I wish I could properly interpret the position of my cervix. It would seem mine is still very high up and I have watery cm. Could it be that I haven't yet ovulated? My LH surge appeared 9pm Monday night and I was injected Monday morning. Do I have to bug DP for sperm tonight ASWELL?? confused

goldengirl71 Thu 22-Nov-12 09:44:19

I am aware I am talking to myself....where are you all, lovelies?

summerintherosegarden Thu 22-Nov-12 09:55:45

Oh golden...please don't take this the wrong way, but I think you're stressing yourself out with all this worry about your CM and the position of your cervix!

Stick to what you know. You know you had the injection on Monday morning. You know that the injection works within 24-36 hours.
That means that the latest you should have ovulated would have been Tuesday evening. Since we're now on Thursday, I think if neither you nor your DP feel like it tonight, then give it a miss.

On the other hand if you want to at least try to get in the mood, go for it. But don't, don't, don't put pressure on either of you. (What about having non intercourse sex? Just to show/reassure your DP that you want his body for things other than making babies?)

mumalah Thu 22-Nov-12 10:16:11

Golden Sounds like you have done everything you can, Summer is right, a bit of no pressure baby making loving could do you both the world of good , or have a good rest ! I too have been inspecting my cervix position and mine seemed high after when ovulation should of taken place. I still have had no side effects this month, I wonder if its working ? I have a scan and bloods tomorrow , its been a long week waiting. I've had a bit of cramping but not on the side where the bigger follicle was ?
What happens if clomid isn't successful, is there another drug that can be taken ?

goldengirl71 Thu 22-Nov-12 11:01:50

Sorry, girls, I gave the wrong information. injection was Tuesday morning, LH surge Tuesday night. Sex Tuesday and Wednesday night. HCG injection works betwenn 30-48 hours (I asked the consultant!) Sorry to do all your heads in but there's alot of hours inbetween 30 and 48! I never feel like I am doing enough sad

Mumalah, I was expecting cramping last night (36 hours after my injection) but am only just feeling something now - like you, it is not on the 'correct' side! i do not believe that ovulation produces cramping/twinges for every woman. Before I started ttc I don't think I knew of a single woman who had ovulation 'pains'. I am beginning to wonder whether they are an urban legend, like the G-spot wink sad Mumalah, are you under a fertility consultant of simply your GP? Have you heard of Gonal f injections? Summer may be having them in a few months' time, maybe she will advise you better. How many cycles of Clomid have you had? Sorry to be rubbish remembering your ttc history but there are so many on here to remember!

mumalah Thu 22-Nov-12 11:35:45

Hi golden I'm under a consultant at local hospital after being referred by gp. Is the gonal f the same as hcg ? Im going to ask all about these injections tomorrow. im going to write everything down and stand my ground at this appointment. I am always made to feel these appointments are rushed and that i have to get dressed and undressed in double time so s not to waste anymore time ! So..this time im going to take my time as others clearly do- i was waiting over an hour after my appointment last time, and ask what the plan is next- if they have one!

mumalah Thu 22-Nov-12 11:36:48

Sorry second cycle first 50mg , this month 100mg .

summerintherosegarden Thu 22-Nov-12 11:50:13

That's interesting golden, the booklet that came with my HCG said 24-36 hours...but, yes, either way, it is quite a wide gap to cover.

Ok, well, Tuesday morning...even if it had been as late as 48 hours then you would have ov'ed this morning so sex tonight would be too late. I think you've got your bases very well covered. But, again, have sex tonight if and only if you and your DP want to

mumalah the gonal f are a bit different to the HCG. The HCG is supposed to stimulate follicles to release eggs - typically used if you have mature follies at your day 12 or thereabouts scan but aren't then ovulating.

The gonal f are some of the same drugs that are used for IVF, so they do broadly the same thing as clomid but are much stronger (bearing in mind that with clomid you ideally want one or two follicles to be produced whereas with IVF you want quite a few more)
From the reading I've done they seem to typically be used with IUI and in fact in the info leaflet the hospital gave me it mentioned both IUI and "we will advise you on the timing of intercourse" - the nurse also said that (while having the jabs) "you might have to come into the hospital on very short notice" which I assume would also be to get inseminated.
I'll hopefully find out more tomorrow and report back.

Minnieheehee Thu 22-Nov-12 12:27:48

I have just started clomid - and have posted on another thread too, can someone enlighten me when scans are meant to happen to check if there are follicles?

also is it normal (today is day 3 of taking clomid) to have stinking headaches? and if so do they continue as the thought of sex whilst feeling like this is horrific!

mumalah Thu 22-Nov-12 22:20:34

AAh Thanks Summer, thats great info, I think I need to ask for the HCG as im not ovulating but producing follicles. im going tomorrow for a scan and bloods so I will ask.
Hi *Minnieheehee, I am on my 2nd round of clomid, and my scans have been day 10 to see if any follicles are present and day 21 to see if any eggs have been released. My 1st round I experienced alot of cramping hot flushes, especially during the night, dizzyness and a few spots, this month - nothing ! I have read headaches can be among the side-effects. I hope this helps !

Meluv Fri 23-Nov-12 08:02:48

Welcome Minnie you are on a great forum hear all us girls are lovely and all hear for each other as for your scans luv I had mine cd 12 we are all around the same time ish give or take a few days are you being monitored Hun with scans an bloods ? some girls on hear are not being monitored this forum is great though for info and tips .... Your head aches are prob a side affect Hun as there are quite a few different ones I did suffer a couple of headaches if yours are very bad though Hun and don't ease up please consult your fertility nurse or gp who ever is giving you them and let them no about this ... What dosage are you on and do let us all no a bit of your history ..... I am 34 with 1 ds been ttc for 8 years and just got help been on 1 cycle of clomid 50mg They have now found a cyst on my right ovary so I have to have a break this month y they monitor it my problem is I do have regular ish cycles but longs ones 34 days but I don't ovulate every months clomid did make me ovulate last cycle which I was made up with but my af arrived 3 days ago hope all this helps big hugs an welcome x

goldengirl71 Fri 23-Nov-12 10:44:19

Mumalah, please put your foot down tomorrow and dress in a leisurely fashion. Write down any questions you have so you don't forget to ask when you're there - intimidating places/staff play havoc on memory. You pay tax and national insurance, right? This means you are entitled to the very best the NHS has to offer in terms of time, resources, sympathetic and patient staff and answers to all your questions. I've said this before and I will say it again: consultants are paid a huge amount of money to carry out their job. So far, we've simply had Clomid chucked at us, right? We are not wasting anyone's time. Please be assertive and good luck tomorrrow thanks

Summer, thanks for your advice. I am bamboozled this morning as my chart shows pretty rubbish temperatures in terms of ovulation having taken place (if indeed it has). The HCG shot guarantees ovulation, right? Maybe not confused I am going by the 3 over 6 theory which fertility friend use ie. the first three temps after ovulation need to be higher than the previous six. Well..mine are lower than 2 of the previous six hmm

Welcome, Miniheehee, how old are you? I know from the other thread you had a baby at 40 - fantastic! I can only echo what the others have told you about scans; they are to check follicles are developing under the power of the Clomid and then a further blood test checks whether ovulation actually took place. Without these resources I am afraid you really are in the dark unless you chart your temperatures. What are your plans if Clomid doesn't do the trick (what were your exact blood/FSH scores, by-the-way?) Will you be considering IVF? I wish you much luck. Try not to fret about the side effects - no pain, no gain, right? wink

I have decided to do diddly-squat today in terms of work. I am sick of reading 'high-brow' manuscripts that looklike they've been written by twelve year-olds. Yes, I maybe should have become a writer but no-one would believe my life story (it is seriously bizarre and pornographic) and I have become too jaded to escape into fantasy or fiction sad So...I am going to return to the town where DP and I had our cinema date a week ago Sunday and change my GEEK sweater for a bigger size (my tits preclude any notion of fitting into a 'medium'; I have no idea why I pretend otherwise). Have a splendid day, y'all.

Meluv, I have just remembered how faraway Christmas is and you've had your decs up for yonks already!! Are you one of those lovely people who goes completely bonkers over the run-up to Christmas? I am envy of this kind of behaviour for I am all 'bah! humbug!' at this time it would be completely different if I had children, though sad

goldengirl71 Fri 23-Nov-12 10:54:41

I've just had a thought: please don't laugh at me. Could my temps be languishing temporarily because both my eggs were released? I know they ovulate within twelve hours of each other but could that cause the delay in a decent thermal shift? [scampers away out of earshot of guffaws]

npg1 Fri 23-Nov-12 22:01:33

Evening everyone.

Well I have another scan monday cd11. Hopefully I will see something? What is the jab you all talk about and does the sonographer to that?

I dont post that much on here as I feel like I dont know enough about it all, everyone on here seems to know so much!

I have decided im not going to temp or do sticks or check cervix this month as want a relaxed approach.

Also will the sonographer be able to sen I am going to ovulate? And what days do you recommend to dtd? Im not sure when I ovulate x

goldengirl71 Sat 24-Nov-12 12:52:00

Npg1, the jab is a shot of HCG (the pregnancy hormone) which they give to women who have been shown to produce nice big follicles at their scan but then still don't ovulate according to their 'day 21' blood test. The injection is to give a kick up the arse to those follicles. The injection is supposed to force ovulation to occur between 32 and 48 hours later. I didn't even have to ask the nurse for my jab - but they are eager to push me quicker because I am an old fart and running out of time. By all means push for the injection if Clomid is failing to make you ovulate. I know that, for Summer at least, the jabs didn't work either.

The sonographer can only tell you that you are 'about to ovulate'. She can see the exact size of your follicles (eggs are too tiny to be seen on the screen) but that is all. She has no way of knowing whether your body is actually going to push those eggs out. Only the 'day 21' test can confirm that it happened or not. Not even the injection can guarantee the eggs will come out of the follicles. Clomid has a great success rate though, Npg1. Don't forget...85% of women on Clomid will eventually ovulate. Be patient but be bold and ask for the injection if, after a couple of cycles, you haven't ovulated.

If you have no idea when you will ovulate I suggest DTD every other day from CD10 until you go for your day 21 blood test. Maybe others will suggest a different regimen. I am lucky in that my positive OPK every month gives me plenty of notice to get at least two bed-rocking sessions in. I understand it's different for alot of you on here who don't get decent results from OPKs. In those cases all you can really do is have sex every other day throughout what you suspect is your fertile window.

goldengirl71 Sat 24-Nov-12 13:02:32

It makes me sad, Npg1, that you feel you don't know enough to post more often on here. It's not about who-knows-what but knowing we're a community of women experiencing the same highs and lows of this Clomid journey thanks

goldengirl71 Sat 24-Nov-12 13:04:54

Hey, Rosie! Are you okay, lovely?

goldengirl71 Sat 24-Nov-12 16:27:55

This morning, Fertility Friend pinpointed ovulation at CD15 (Wednesday). Spot on! grin

Annalou84 Sat 24-Nov-12 17:01:19

Omg omg omg I've got a positive ovulation omg omg

goldengirl71 Sat 24-Nov-12 18:11:38

YAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!! Congratulations, Annalou! Good luck with the bed-rocking - you should ovulate within the next 24-36 hours (fantastic timing for weekend sex - clever girl wink)

mumalah Sat 24-Nov-12 19:02:04

Well pissed off ! After gearing up to be strong, I fell to pieces when I walked in the room. Different consultant, ive met her before in my last pregnancy. This woman told me at 38 weeks my baby had turned from lying transitional after keeping me in for over a week in hospital just by given my stomach a prod. I actually ended up having an emergency c-section after hours of trying to push a baby out that was transitional through out the whole pregnancy. I don't even think she has anything to do with fertility. However I had my scan and she said one egg had released , but one was still there. She said I may have ovulated, only the blood test will determine that. She then said ring for result in 10 days ! I said I hadn't got any clomid left , as I was told to increase dose last month. ( in my head i was thinking 10 days i will have af !) She wouldn't give me another prescription, until blood results are back. She said no point giving you a prescription for something that's not working. Then she hit me with the big one, well you are 42 ! Well she looked like she was too old to be still be working, and should be in a coffin!- but did i say that ? No! Bloody wish I had now. I was clutching at straws by this point, and asked if there was anything else i or they could do ? Not unless you pay was the reply. I said what about the HCG shot ? Only used with IVF (what a liar!) I said I thought that was the gonal f ? She said both ivf ! So then she asked me to hand in a form on my way out into the red box. The red box was labelled DISCHARGE. I just cried ! Rant over ! Sorry just had to get that off my chest!
However had my blood test, they said results will be available Monday so whatever the outcome im going to contact the consultant im actually under.

mumalah Sat 24-Nov-12 19:03:11

Annalou thats fantastic !

mumalah Sat 24-Nov-12 19:10:25

sad angry confused wine???

goldengirl71 Sat 24-Nov-12 20:06:13

Mumalah, that fucking witch needs gassing. Listen, I am being serious here: you need to phone your (real) consultant's secretary on Monday morning (almost) in tears - fake the choked voice if you must. Tell her you were utterly disheartened and disrespected when you had your scan today. Don't mention the fact that you already had a bugbear with the woman who fucked-up your birth (you don't want to seem paranoid or hysterical). Tell her this woman has blatantly misinformed you regarding HCG injections. Tell her she patronised you re your age. Tell them you demand another prescription and that you have the right to be treated for six consecutive cycles. Tell the secretary you want to see your (real) consultant as soon as possible to discuss your next step as you were dismayed to be consigned to the 'discharged' box. Please, please, please make the call on Monday, love thanks Deffo indulge in wine and biscuit tonight. Horrid bitch angry

goldengirl71 Sat 24-Nov-12 20:12:05

Please, everybody, remember that all the staff who are treating us - whether NHS or private - are paid huge sums of cash to treat us with respect, kindness and care. If they are not capable of this then move on to someone who is.

Annalou84 Sat 24-Nov-12 23:37:51

Right we bed rocked last night, again tonight we aiming for twice tomorrow should be covered or is that to many times?????

Annalou84 Sat 24-Nov-12 23:40:58

Thanks mumalah please don't dispare it sounds good that you have 1 egg released so fingers crossed for that one. I agree with golden you need to call your specialist on Monday and explain how you feel you should have been made to feel that way at all!!!!!!

Rosiechoice Sun 25-Nov-12 07:11:23


Mumalah get on the phone straight away and take goldens advise, as always she's absolutely right, don't let them, treat you like they are, seriously who do these 'professionals' think they are? It sounds terrible, I know flowers won't make it better but they smell beautiful!

annalou congrats! Fantastic news! We bed rocked every day and I don't think it 'did the trick' so I'd say go for it! wink

Welcome mini

Hi golden I'm ok thanks, I've been around this week, reading how you're all getting on, just been a grumpy bum so thought it was best to keep my moaning to the minimum. Feeling really disheartened by the whole process and just waiting for af to arrive, had a big temperature drop today so expecting the inevitable anytime sad I met up with friends (one of which is pregnant) yesterday and I was absolutely dreading all the baby talk and questions of 'when are you having babies?' It was pretty full on with the baby talk but not too hard being asked the dreaded question. Considering I was sat at my desk at work sobbing until other people came in on Friday I dealt with it pretty well. Just sick of the waiting and wishing and hoping.

Hope you're all having a good weekend

npg1 Sun 25-Nov-12 07:47:30

Morning all. Havent posted for couple days. All you ladies seem to know so nuch more than me! Im on cd 10 today ans cant even be bothered to think about bed rocking! Do we really have to start today?!

So im confused with ovulation. When the sonographer says it looks like your about to release the egg, that means ovulation right? Thats when we need to start bed rocking?! If I experience any change in mucus one day which last month I noticed it on cd19 shluld we do it that night? Or has the time already passed?

Rosiechoice Sun 25-Nov-12 08:08:02

Morning npg1 we started on cd10 but it was way too early (but everyones different), I think if you know your body and pick up on the signs its a good indication of when you're about to ovulate, do you take your temperature? I found this really helpful, but it is a bit of a pain doing it every morning before moving. Yes you're right start bed rocking when the sonographer says you're about the release an egg, as soon as you get a change in mucus dtd - good luck!

Christelle2207 Sun 25-Nov-12 11:14:31

morning all
apologies for the radio silence.
"golden" sorry to hear you've had such a shitty time on the other thread, for the record i don't think you said anything out of turn, mind you I do think that when things are written rather than said face to face, it's easy to misinterpret. We all like you over here anyway. Pleased that you think you managed to bed rock at the right times this month, fingers crossed for you this cycle!

mumalah that sounds like very rough treatment. Am confused though, have they discharged you or are you going back? I obviously hope the latter!

annalou lots of bed rocking sounds good, depending on your DP's sperm though I'm not conviced twice a day is a good idea because it can take 1-2 days for good quality swimmers to build themselves up again iyswim so according to docs I have spoken to, unless you have very high sperm count, every 2-3 1-2 days is best until the mucus dries up and/or you get raised temperature which should in theory confirm that ovulation has taken place.

Meluv Sun 25-Nov-12 11:30:56

well Elo all my bed rocking friends not been around for a few days been so busy hope use are all well some good news on hear some not so good I send u all my big special hugs an hope they have great affect what ever the need for them mwah x

Christelle2207 Sun 25-Nov-12 11:33:11

npg1 yes as rosie says good to start dtd now but really go at it when you get ewcm, once that has dried up (and temperature has risen if you're doing that) then time to rest up for the tww!

anyway, radio slience due to me feeling a bit sorry for myself of late, have now had AF cramps and sore boobs and the obligatory sore boobs since thursday - no sign of her proper as yet though have had very light pink tinged mucus (does anyone else get this before AF? not sure if it counts as spotting or not...certainly I wouldn't spot it at all if I wasn't examining the toilet paper so carefully!!!!). Am feeling pissed off because I was hoping that by clomid making me ovulate earlier (which it did) i would get period later, thus lenghtening my LP. Assuming my period comes in the next day or so that hasn't happened, so perhaps clomid is a complete waste of time for me (that said, I may not have had optimumly timed sex this cycle). Anyway "golden" did you say you had protracted pms symptoms last cycle? How long for? Just want AF to arrive now so I know where I stand. It's only CD24 though, I'm gutted (day 26 is the earliest I've previously had my period, but that was when I ovulated around day 18-19, this time I think I ovulated between 13 and 15).

Also annoyed because doc receptionist gave me the wrong TSH score when I run up for my thyroid results. Doc rang me up and said that although it has gone down from previous 8, only down to 5.5 not 2.1 which is what the receptionist told me. Grrr. Anyway thankfully she is completely fine about doubling my levothyroxin dose, if it has gone down from 8 to 5.5 after just over a month of 25mg, surely it will go down further with a double dose. Aiming for the magic number of between 1 and 2...

Anyway broadly am annoyed because assuming clomid isn't helping my LP at all not sure what to do because clinic specifically does not want anything to do with me for 6 months (admittedly with short cycles this should come round more quickly!). So do you think, perhaps after giving it one more cycle and trying harder to time bed hopping, i should call them and demand to be seen because I know that with a LP of only slightly more than a week it's just not going to happen? I think I may have to fake some tears, but am broadly convinced that you have to make a fuss to make progres with the NHS. Also considering paying up to see someone privately in the new year, just want to better understand our options really.

Someone said about adopting the other day - I actually would be up for this, especially from a third world country (though DP is against this). What puts me off though is the process of getting there, social services sticking their nose in etc. I truly think it is horrendous that anyone CAN get pg, fertility problems aside, and social services clearly don't vet all prospective parents do they. Yet when there is a needy child and a childless couple willing to give that child a loving home there is an enormous tick box exercise. I know two couples that have adopted and got there in the end but the process was so demanding they nearly gave up before they got there.

Rant over. Think am going to take some painkillers and lie low for the rest of the day.

goldengirl71 Sun 25-Nov-12 12:28:50

Christelle, have you considered starting your own thread about your concerns about your luteal phase? You will be bombarded with advice. I have never had your problem and feel powerless to advise you - I certainly agree that whichever 'professionals' have been dealing with you thus far have been negligent in overlooking your LP concerns. You are right...a pregnancy will be very difficult to maintain with a <10 day LP. Please do demand some proper attention for this, you should not have to resort to private consultants for such an easily remedied problem.

Adoption: fucking beurocratic, fascist minefield of bollocks. Did you know that 7 out of 8 prospective parents fall by the wayside along the adoption journey? What about the debacle over Rotherham council taking away the foster children of that UKIP couple? Outrageous. However, I would deffo adopt if it weren't for DP's and my criminal records sad

I'm so sorry your AF is on its way, Christelle. I do think the tinged mucus is spotting sad thanks

P.s...your thyroid receptionist is another witch who should be gassed. What is wrong with these people?! angry

Npg1, I know CD10 is early to begin having sex, but what if you ovulate at CD11? Plenty of women do. Equally, you may ovulate on CD18. What are you going to do to cover these bases?? I suggest you read Zelda West's Guide To Getting Pregnant. I keep recommending this book and the reason for that is because it is fucking essential, in my opinion. She explains how the majority of women who come to her clinic seeking IVF have simply not been having enough sex. When she sits them down and asks for details of their sex lives she finds that there are tons of women having sex say, every Sunday morning, and hoping to get pregnant! As she says, if those women ovulate on a Wednesday they're fucked. I only have knowledge, Npg1, because I read. Alot. This book I've recommended will teach you everything you need to know. Buy it, and at the same time buy a basal body temp thermometer from Amazon and get charting - you'll never look back.

Rosie, I, too, am sick of wishing and waiting and hoping. It is fucking shit. I've wished and hoped and waited eight months now (since my mmc) for a BFP. BUT this is not a long time to wait even for 'normal' couples with no fertility issues. It is actually very, very difficult to get pregnant - all the planets need to be so perfectly aligned for this miracle to take place. We have little issues which are taking time to remedy. I do know how despair can destroy hope. Let's stay positive. AF - and the hormonal upset which comes with it - makes everything ten times worse. Chin up, love thanks

Christelle, yes, my premenstrual symptoms proved to be more pronounced on Clomid. I genuinely thought I was preggo what with tender nipples and nausea - symptoms I have never, ever had previously.

41 yrs, 2nd Clomid cycle, 4DPO.

goldengirl71 Sun 25-Nov-12 12:33:15


goldengirl71 Sun 25-Nov-12 12:46:20

Christelle, I am soon to be taking my own advice and starting a thread about success rates of IUI (artificial insemination). DP has said this morning that we are "going for it - just one round" before my Clomid prescriptions run out in four months' time. The success rates are not sparkling - barely a higher rate than natural conceptions - but my hope is that DP's sperm will be washed and filtered and the best ones chosen for insemination (he has a not-very-brilliant 3% morphology score). Of course, if the issue is one of my eggs being of shit quality due to my age, this procedure will never work sad

Annalou84 Sun 25-Nov-12 14:28:03

npg1 I ovulated on cd13 so my advice is to bed rock we started from cd6 lol but that's mostly my hubby and his high sex drive lol we have stuck to every other day apart from cd12 we have been at it every day since with twice today blush

Annalou84 Sun 25-Nov-12 16:42:35

Just out of curiosity I did another ovulation test and it came back with a 2nd faint line so does that mean my Surge has finished if so we only had sex night befor last and last night and this morn is that enought as the doctor said when I get a positive to have sex twice a day. God so much pressure to get it right sad

goldengirl71 Sun 25-Nov-12 18:01:45

Annalou, you did everything a human being could possibly do. I promise. Now go and bathe your lady-bits - they must be black 'n bloody blue wink LH surge only lasts a matter of hours which is why you are advised not to test again after you have detected a positive result.

goldengirl71 Sun 25-Nov-12 18:03:28

Annalou, I got my positive OPK on Tuesday night at 9pm, had sex that night and then again the next night (the day I ovulated). You put me to shame with your bonkathon blush

Stephy30 Mon 26-Nov-12 05:02:36

Hi ladies well im on month 2 of clomid so gonna join the crew :-) heres hoping for us all fx xx

npg1 Mon 26-Nov-12 08:17:02

Just had day11 scan and theres no follicles. Guessing this isnt good.

Christelle2207 Mon 26-Nov-12 08:25:05

npg1 no i guess not but what did they tell you? to carry on anyway?

welcome stephy!

npg1 Mon 26-Nov-12 08:50:58

She said to go back fri to see if any have developed as my cycle can be 35 days plus. Surely there would be something now being on the clomid if it had worked x

goldengirl71 Mon 26-Nov-12 09:10:33

Npg1, I wouldn't panic yet. Did you ask the nurse what they would do next if Clomid doesn't work? Remind me which cycle and dose you are on again.

Hello, Stephy! Welcome to the thread. Can you tell us a bit about yourself (age, ttc history etc)? thanks

I'm off on my bike before the rain arrives. Over the weekend alone I have been spinning, 'psycho circuit training' and Body Pump. I am sore - especially my core - but I'm determined to lose a stone so I can be at the weight I was when I fell preggo in January. I am not overweight (I have a BMI of 24) but could certainly do with shifting a bit of excess.

goldengirl71 Mon 26-Nov-12 09:30:38

Npg1, I'm reading through the Assisted Conception thread to prepare myself for IUI and one lady enquired as to how she could encourage follicle growth. All the answers were the same: water, brazil nuts, eggs and meat: PROTEIN. Some IVF clinics even insist you drink a pint of milk a day. You may want to take a look at your diet.

Stephy30 Mon 26-Nov-12 09:37:11

Hi well ive been ttc for 18 months now. I was diagnoised with pcos around 12 months ago and been put on metformin. I had my tubes checked. My husband had his sperm checked which all came bk normal so now been put on clomid. This is month 2 of clomid for me now xx

Hopefully2012 Mon 26-Nov-12 12:16:03

Hi Ladies
sorry been a while been feeling like crap mentally & physically!
Im on my last cycle of clomid (6months) & im so scared its not going to be bfp this month. I see my consultant next week so scared he wont be able to help me , but i will not leave the office till he gives me a next plan to help me, i dont care if he has to call security i will not move as i dont know when i will see him next. i have got lots of questions i have wrote down to ask him. If all fails, i think i will go private & have blastocyst transfer done (feel bit better i kind of got a plan well better than last week when i had no plan)
Im on cd10 not sure when i will ovulate but will try & have sex every day till cd17?.
Me & dh have been taking conception vitamins to see if that helps us get pg. My ovaries are hurting, back ache, dizzy, headache, crying & moaning. One more moan just found out this crack head whore is pg with twins(boy & girl) naturally & still doing crack, drinking & smoking everyday as she don't want them as she already gave her other child to her mum & planning on giving her the twins too. i hate her she don't deserve to have any fucking kids nasty bitch, its bad enough all my family & friends are pg or got newborns which is sending me over the edge so had to distance myself from them as i can't handle it yes i know im selfish but the feelings are to deep for me to cope with everyone chatting about babies, seeing babies or pg bumps. so stressful ttc for us all! Good luck ladies hope you all get bfp this month for xmas. xx

Christelle2207 Mon 26-Nov-12 12:52:33

golden are you planning on NHS or private IUI? I think my clinic offers it next after clomid.

goldengirl71 Mon 26-Nov-12 13:11:02

Hopefully, you poor thing, you sound wound-up to the max. There will always be undeserving, skanky whores having babies, it's just the way of the world. The question is, how do we deal with it? How do we deal with the fear that we may never hold a baby in our arms? These fears are completely irrational; we have no way of knowing what the future holds for us. This journey was always going to be tedious, frightening, frustrating and it will impact negatively on all of us as some point. You do not sound as though you are being pro-active in dragging your mind away from your fertility worries - what are your hobbies/escapisms? Do you run/walk/go the cinema/bake/visit non-baby mates? I am very impressed with your determination to get some attention from your consultant. Clomid is only the beginning of the journey...there are lots more options, but, Hopefully, you need to take care of that panic and despair you are harbouring; it's really bad for your health thanks What is blastocyst transfer?

Christelle, I am 41 and DP already has a child from a previous relationship. Would I be eligible for NHS IUI?

goldengirl71 Mon 26-Nov-12 13:28:05

I have a question: I am 5DPO and am literally bubbling with creamy, watery discharge. I thought cervical mucus dried up after ovulation. Could it mean I haven't conceived? sad

npg1 Mon 26-Nov-12 18:02:04

Evening had a rubbish day. So what's the chance that I may see follicles Friday or is it not going to happen? If for instance my cycle is 35-40 days long? The sonographer said today I would have to go back to consultant and get dose upped. How long that will take I have no idea. X

Rosiechoice Mon 26-Nov-12 19:19:47

Evening all,

My response is a little delayed but thank you so much for your kind words yesterday golden. Positive thinking as you said smile

annalou I think you did as much as you could, I'm surprised that your doctor advised sex twice in a day! It's all a gamble, I hope you're successful.

npg1 fx for follies on Friday, maybe they're just taking their time, how did they 'behave' last month?

stephy welcome, what dose are you on? Did you ovulate last month? I'm just starting cycle 2 100mg tomorrow.

hopefully I feel EXACTLY the same as you this ttc journey is making me a very bitter, miserable person! I know that nothing anyone says will make it better, there's only 1 thing that can. My DH's response to my moaning is 'be thankful for all that you've got' I know he's right, I am VERY lucky in many ways, last nights new quote was 'you're only missing 1 thing', again he's right, it just feels like its the ONLY thing that matters at the moment. Golden's right, hobbies, interests and ways to escape from ttc/baby thoughts are a definite must! Over the last year whilst ttc and waiting for my referral I've thrown myself into my new business and it does work (to a certain extent) obviously it doesn't make things easy but it gives me a different focus and a perfect decoy when people are asking me the dreaded 'when are you going to have babies' people must think I'm a cold blooded woman who only cares about making money hmm but its great for the days that i really don't want to talk about when I want to become a mum a year ago would have been lovely thanks! The only thing I can say about the woman who's having twins and still taking drugs is that life is not fair, its so difficult seeing friends who really want kids falling pregnant but that is just cruel. I think we all just need to think 'one day we'll be mum's' I hope you're ok x

golden I do hope you have conceived! I'm pretty sure I didn't have much cm by dpo5 fx!!

my af arrived with force today sad I'm pretty sure all the one's I've missed over the past year decided to turn up all together!! TMI I know! I'm looking at it in a positive way, hopefully a good 'clear out' will help things, bring on 100mg clomid - god help everyone who comes into contact with me in the next week

Stephy30 Mon 26-Nov-12 19:31:56

Hi rosie im on 50mg at the mo. Im not sure if I ovulated last month as still not got day 21 blood results from gyno yet. I did ring up but they would not tell me over the phone and they said the doc will write to me but im still waititng. I did get loads of clear jelly like stuff on day 13 which I dont normally get so think I did ov tbh x

npg1 Mon 26-Nov-12 19:44:41

Hi. This is my first cycle of 50g so have no idea what happened last month. Thing I dont get is I had a M/C in aug???!

Hopefully2012 Mon 26-Nov-12 19:49:24

Golden - Thank you so much for the lovely message & advice. I have turned in to a emotional wreck don't know who i am anymore lol!! You have helped a lot you are the one who has given me the determination not to leave the office till he has got a plan for me & your right he gets paid loads of money to help women so he is going to help me wither he likes it not its his paid job to help, I know he is going to try palm me off so if i have all my questions & info on other treatments he is going to have to do something well like i said i will NOT move you might see me on the news the mad women who tie her self to doc lol! i feel a bit better emotionally now & less stressed i have got it out thanks for the support. No lie all my family & friends are pg or got newborns (under 3mths) coz everyone is on there 2, 3 or 4th baby. I do talk to my best mates just don't see them that much (we are all busy) but they know & understand i'm trying to ttc & love me anyway even tho im a moody bitch now, they are just waiting for me to turn normal again lol. I go gym, water workout, sauna, cook, walk, cinema, work pt, go out party/bar only sometimes as its so tempting to drink & eat healthy most of the time apart from a bag of crisps & deserts a day lol. I am busy most of the time but having bad few dh loves me but don't like me as he thinks i turned in to a monster since clomid he wanted me to stop taking them months ago but he lost that one lol. he thinks if we get pg great if not its ok its not the end of the world he so laid bk about it all. sorry going on & on yawn.

Blastocyst transfer
A blastocyst is an embryo that has developed for five to six days after fertilisation.
With blastocyst transfer, embryos are cultured in the laboratory incubator to the blastocyst stage before they are transferred to the womb.
At this time, one or two of the best quality blastocysts are selected and then implanted into the woman’s womb. A blastocyst must successfully attach itself to the wall of the womb for a woman to become pregnant.

Its cheaper than ivf etc... and i have a hospital near by that does this i just have to get refer from my consultant & pay. but never no dr could have a plan for me lol

cervical mucus (watery) after ovulation is normal especially when on clomid Or you could of conceived hun fingers crossed xx

Rosie - Thank you for your lovely message & advice hun. most times i am positive but been having a few bad days but it feels good talking to other women on here about it. Good luck with your next cycle of clomid. I hope af pains go away soon hun xx

I feel a lot better getting it all off my chest Thank u.

Thank you for your support hugs & flowers xx

Christelle2207 Mon 26-Nov-12 22:12:41

hello. sorry youre having such a tough time hopefully. have to admit i dont get the difference between blastocyst transfer and ivf- both conceived in a lab right?

golden clomid is full of surprises but i have definitely heard that lots of cm post ovulation can be good news. re iui it will depend on your pct area. yes i think in mine- iui is a lot cheaper than ivf.

well i feel like having a little party here. still no af -had spotting fri and sat but nothing since. if af comes tomorrow my lp will be somewhere between 11 (based on temp rise) and 13 (based on cm and cramps) which is officially the longest ever! at least since tracking my cycles.

mumalah Tue 27-Nov-12 04:08:44

Hello, everyone ! I eventually got a call back from the hospital yesterday. ( After leaving numerous messages on the answerphone). My 21 day blood test came back as 1 ! I seem to be going backwards, how can it be 1 ! Anyway the nurse I spoke to said she would speak to MY consultant (not the witch I saw last week) and ring me back. 3 hours later she rang back and said she would leave out a prescription for me for 150mg! I was so shocked and grateful I didn't ask about if having a 30/31 day cycle would make any difference to how I was being monitored. So I rang her back straight away! She seemed to think it wouldn't make any difference with it only being a couple of days, but was happy to leave out my file for consultant to look at again. I also asked about a progesterone supplement,(I'm no doctor but to me this seems to be my problem?)I also happened to jump on scales while waiting, to find i have put on 11lb since starting clomid ! This has put my bmi just over 30, which may hinder my chances of tcc, so day 1 of shifting that tomorrow ! I cant sleep, I'm convinced they would have change their minds by the time I get there to pick up prescription! It sounds like like many of you were feeling like I was last week, I thought that was the end of clomid for me(still might be, until I get that prescription in my hands !) , its definitely been emotional. Another thing, what are all the pains I have if I'm clearly not ovulating ? Any advice on what I can do to get ovulating again ? Does clomid take a while to get in your system ? I''m sure stressing about all of this don't help? Right, I am rambling now , so Im going to try go back to bed. You watch i will oversleep tomorrow !
Good luck everyone, where ever you are in your cyclesmile

goldengirl71 Tue 27-Nov-12 09:34:50

Rosie, your AF sounds rough, you poor thing thanks Have you started 100mg today? Have they increased your dose because they think you didn't ovulate this time? We know you did though, right? wink

Npg1, a woman with no fertility issues who has a 35 day cycle will ovulate around day 22 (this is allowing for a 13 day luteal phase). You had your last scan at day 11 and they found no follicles. On Friday, at your next scan, you will be CD15, right? I would say that, if you are going to ovulate, you should definitely be seeing something on Friday. However, this is your first round of Clomid and it could well be that you need 100mg or even, like, Mumalah, 150mg. I will say it again, Npg1, I think you are panicking far too early. You have another 5 months of Clomid and that is a long time to be getting as anxious and defeatist as you are at the moment. Remember that Clomid is not a magic pill and it will not work for every woman on this thread. It's not the end of your journey if it doesn't work, but I think it will for you thanks Did you read my post about protein? What's your weight like?

Hopefully, it sounds like you do plenty of things to help take your mind off babies. The problem you have is that you are literally surrounded by the little fuckers everywhere you turn. Could you move to, say, China, where they're only allowed one kid? wink Seriously, though, there's no avoiding your family members so you're going to have to dig really deep and keep your panic about never having a baby at bay. Don't listen to that inner voice that tells you you are some kind of freak who will never have a baby.

Can I tell you about the Assisted Conception thread on mumsnet? I've been lurking over there for when the time comes for me to try IUI. Those women are on their second and third rounds of IVF. Their first and second attempts have failed, or they have miscarried. Two of the women have had to travel abroad to get donor eggs because theirs are old and shit. One woman has just begged the bank to borrow on her mortgage so she can try IVF for the third time. My point is this: we sometimes feel, on this thread, as though we are the only women in the world whose bodies are letting them down and that we will never have babies. It's not true, and we are at the very beginning of what could be a very long journey. So...let's 'man-up', girls, and sort our bloody heads out. You are all young with lovely fresh eggs buried inside there somewhere, and some day in the future, they will find them thanks

Christelle, I'm doing a little celebratory jig here for your beautifully-behaved luteal phase. What a treat! I'm so pleased you are seeing something so positive from Clomid smile

Mumalah, sorry about your 'day 21' score but very impressed you haven't been written off by the staff there. 150mg!! You'll be rattling! Not sure what the source of your aches and pains have been but what i do know is that there is fuck-all point in trying to read the signs of our bodies. They really are not a good indicator of what is actually going on (or not, as the case may be). What are you doing to get your weight under control? Try to do all you can, diet-wise, to increase your chances of ovulating: protein, protein, protein.

As for me (I can barely be bothered to say after this mammoth post!) I was back in the gym, spinning, last night and am off again at lunchtime. I've got my cd21 blood test tomorrow but I'm already confident I ovulated. I wish ovulation was the be-all-and-end-all for me; I'm beginning to think every single one of my 41 year-old eggs are decrepit sad I desperately wish I could afford IVF with donor eggs sad

goldengirl71 Tue 27-Nov-12 09:38:06

I miss Summer sad

Christelle2207 Tue 27-Nov-12 16:56:16

Well ladies i have some more exciting news. Today would be between 11 and 13 dpo - as mentioned something of a record for an lp. I have been feeling distinctly pms like since thursday - nothing too serious though - and after some extremely light bleeding fri and sat I've been completely dry since.

Just been away with work for two days and thought when I got home about an hour ago, as I have a big stash in my drawer I'd do an internet cheapie test. Did and would you believe it it's a bfp. It's fainter than the control line but not that faint, I mean you don't have to squint to see it or anything. It came up within 10 minutes and since then it has got darker and clearer. Clearly believing it to be a dud I did another (struggled to do more wee!!!!) and it has come out exactly the same. I have just shown to dh and he agrees that they are definite lines not my imagination!!!!

I don't know what to think. cycle one of clomid with five more in my drawer for next time or if it doesn't work out! My improving thyroid probably had a part to play though, just slightly panicked about that because it's a bit high for pregnancy so will try and see doc asap.

Anyway other than dh i won't be telling anyone else but wanted to share it here! Fingers crossed my good luck rubs off on the rest of you and there are bfps all round in the next few weeks!!!!

goldengirl71 Tue 27-Nov-12 18:35:49

YAAAAAY!!!! Christelle, that is incredible news! Our first BFP!! I am thrilled for you and your DP thanks thanks

Christelle2207 Tue 27-Nov-12 18:54:18

Thanks just went for a run to try amd calm myself down- didnt work

Annalou84 Tue 27-Nov-12 19:21:17

Way to go christelle I'm dead chuffed for you please please keep us posted, maybe there's hope for us all x x x x

Annalou84 Tue 27-Nov-12 20:18:04

What does dpo mean?

Annalou84 Tue 27-Nov-12 20:33:23

If I was to ask for blood tests when would they test? I'm cd16 I had a positive ovulation tests on cd13

Hopefully2012 Tue 27-Nov-12 20:49:49

Hi ladies

Christelle - Thanks hun, they are roughly the same but the big difference is price £400 Blastocyst transfer £5,000 ivf I don't have the money for ivf. Great news clomid is working for you. Good luck.

Golden - Thank you again for your message you made me lol move to china lol. I do see my family i was with the family sat for 1st birthday party, i am a auntie 12 times over so far as they still want more lol. Thanks for the wake up call you are right there is always someone else who is worst off than you & clomid is only the start of ttc sadly. Good luck with blood test, i know you ovulated. Please don't say your eggs are decrepit as i don't think this is the case hun think positive & take your own great advice. I have fingers cross that you conceived this month. Are you going for iui next & will you get it on nhs?

I have still got aches & pains but mentally feeling a lot better im getting bk on the road of positive thinking & happy got info on whats next for me i'm ready to see my doc. cd11 today think its time for bed rocking week lol ( i do prefer it when its not ovulate timing less pressure & fun) just thought its my last cycle of clomid so might as well make it fun & go out with a bang a farewell party for clomid lol.

Hope you are all well
Take care big hugs xx

Hopefully2012 Tue 27-Nov-12 20:58:20

christelle congratulations hun just seen your message so happy for you both. Good luck its great to here good news from taking clomid. Please keep us all posted. Take care hugs & flowers xx

Rosiechoice Tue 27-Nov-12 21:34:09

MASSIVE congratulations christelle that is absolutely fantastic news, definitely more hope for the rest of us smile

annalou dpo means days past ovulation. You should request your blood test 7 days after you ovulated, they call it 'day 21 blood test' but that's based on a 21 day cycle.

golden yes just taken my 100mg dose - here comes the Cazy lady!!!! Also yes, I was told to take 100mg because they don't think I ovulated, I still think I did but they have made me doubt myself, hopefully taking 100mg won't do any 'harm', DH is hoping for multiples this month from the higher dose, I'm starting to think the same so that I never have to go through this horrendous journey again! However as you have pointed out I know we're only at the beginning of the journey sad it already feels like a life time!

Christelle2207 Tue 27-Nov-12 22:13:27

Thanks all for kind words. You haven't got rid of me yet...I feel very anxious about this after all this time without even a whiff of a BFP previously.

Crap timing though because have two work Christmas Dos coming up and not sure how I'm going to explain not drinking as they're usually fairly Lairy. On the plus side I have a chance of an early scan (I.e if I pay!)

I'm worrie about thyroid but the doc receptionist is going to ask gp to call me tomorrow about that. Gp herself is pg herself so hopefully (????!) clued up and reassuring.

hopefully shoot me down if you need to but you would need to also pay for egg and sperm collection to have blastocyst transfer Wouldn't you? I mean they can't transfer the fertilised egg into you unless they've extracted it (unfertilised) from you first?

npg1 Tue 27-Nov-12 22:19:03

Congratulations christelle.

Golden yes I did briefly read about diet. I don't eat badly really. Do like some wine every now and then! I am.9st and 5ft 2 x

goldengirl71 Wed 28-Nov-12 13:23:42

Rosie, I am envy of your 100mg, which is ludicrous when you think I am producing two eggs from my 50mg - what more does a girl want??! This is how irrational the ttc journey makes you - wishing for higher doses when you're already ovulating blush

Christelle, hope you get peace of mind re your thyroid - demand the proper attention.

Hopefully, I can only echo what others have said: what you are describing is tantamount to IVF and this will cost you thousands (unless NHS). The cheapest form of assisted conception is IUI (artificial insemination) and even that costs approx £1,000.

I've just had my CD21 blood test. I am 7DPO and this morning's temp dipped below the coverline. Of course, I am now, against my better judgement, getting all excited that this is an 'implantation dip' (if such things actually exist). I swore I wouldn't chart my temps this month after 3DPO but I keep waking up at just the right time and there's my thermometer next to the bed. Stupid girl...should've given it to DP to hide from me until next month. Quick question to you charting ladies: in the few hours prior to taking my temp this morning I succumbed to two sips of water (bastard dry mouth). Would this have caused my temp to plummet? please say no and that it is an implantation dip

goldengirl71 Wed 28-Nov-12 13:28:00

Hey, Meluv, I can only assume you are staring at your Christmas tree in absolute wonder and can't tear yourself away for long enough to pop over and see us wink Hope you are okay, lovely x

[waves to Stephy and anyone else I've forgotten]

Christelle2207 Wed 28-Nov-12 15:21:03

Golden - i think i had an implantation dip! definitely a(small) dip around then anyway. my temps are still only just above coverline but am going to stop temping now it will worry me! dont think water would affect unless shortly before.

spoke to kind gp about thyroid and she said not to panic just come for my next bloods earlier. upping my dose of thyroxin needs care as i could go overactive.

goldengirl71 Wed 28-Nov-12 17:18:47

* Christelle*, just to give you an idea of the depth my temp has plummeted, yesterday was 36.61 and today was 36.15. My coverline temp is 36.20! I shall await tomorrow's temp and see if it has shot back up. Argh! Why am I still temping?? You should deffo step away from the thermometer, love, you'll start to go crazy. Glad your GP is kind and has reassured you. Right-o...I'm off circuit training sad

Hopefully2012 Wed 28-Nov-12 18:02:16

Hi ladies

Christelle - Thanks for the info i was just going on the price & it didn't say had to pay extra for egg & sperm collection (i know you have to collect from both of us) i thought it was all in that price ( silly me). Now you got bfp you don't need to do temps anymore you will end up worrying yourself hun. Glad gp is sorting out your thyroid. look after yourself & good luck hun.

Golden - Thanks for info. I think i'm going to ask to have injections first & if that fails then iui or blastocyst transfer & start saving. I have got fingers crossed its implantation, got a good feeling about you this cycle but don't want to say any more as don't want to get your hopes up hun. Hope you have a great workout.

I'm on cd12 when is the best days to bedrock ( i did last night) as i thought if i do it every day he will get crap sperm? or should i do it everyday? I ovulate between cd11 to cd15. First time at this stage that i'm actually relaxed for once. Both my Ovaries are hurting now.

Take care ladies

Christelle2207 Wed 28-Nov-12 18:20:16

golden- mine was low days 9-11 so dont worry if it doesnt jump up again. according to my book tempa are meant to "keep rising" if pg-hmmmm.

Rosiechoice Wed 28-Nov-12 20:51:13

golden you're mad! You're ovulating on 50mg, you don't need 100mg! I'd prefer to still be on 50mg and had 'day 21 bloods' tested on the right day so I knew for definite if i ovulated 1 way or another. I hope 100mg doesn't over stimulate, time will tell. I don't want to be negative but I had a slight dip last cycle and obviously I'm not pg sad but I hope it is implantation dip, I'll keep my fingers crossed for you smile

Today I have pulled myself together and dusted myself off, after being a total grump for the past week or so and feeling extremely sorry for myself. I'm going to concentrate on the things I have and can do rather than dwelling on what I want and have absolutely no control over! So from now on positive thinking!!! until the next time wink

Hope you're all having a lovely evening, well done for the circuits golden I too went tonight - it hurt, but feel better for it smile

goldengirl71 Thu 29-Nov-12 09:06:24

Aaaargh! Look at my chart! Look at my chart! (someone kill me, please, to curb my excitement):

Christelle2207 Thu 29-Nov-12 09:39:00

that looks tentatively exciting. I do think that clomid does mess with temperatures a bit though.

goldengirl71 Thu 29-Nov-12 12:20:24

Christelle, if Clomid messes with temperatures it would mess with them all, no? Not just one [still excited emoticon]

Christelle2207 Thu 29-Nov-12 12:48:17

i think so yes.

goldengirl71 Thu 29-Nov-12 12:52:46

Rosie, glad you've dusted yourself off. When you say you're worried about over-stimulation is this because of the health risks or the chance of multiples? When I say I envy your 100mg it is because I desperately would like to produce more than two eggs per month thereby increasing my chances of at least one of decent quality. Even producing two last month didn't result in fertilisation sad

Just got back from a two-hour mountain bike ride with my friend, Ceri. She has the Rolls Royce of mountain bikes whereas mine is more an Astra. I could feel every stone and rock beneath my wheels and my fanny flaps have been chafed to ribbons sad blush grin

rainbowbreeze Thu 29-Nov-12 12:57:02

Hi ladies

Just wanted to have a moan really, had 2 cycles of clomid the first I had a bleed on day 14 and the second on day 8 hmm
Rang the hospital on Mon to ask what I should do and im STILL waiting for an answer, ive chased them twice and they just tell me the consultants busy and they havent had chance to ask her yet.. rubbish ! angry

Clomid seems to be making my cycle worse, I was regular before !

Rosiechoice Thu 29-Nov-12 19:21:21

golden I've read about people producing 10 follies and being told not to dtd because it's too risky incase all of them are fertilised, as you've probably already realised - I'm a worrier! Hopefully it's all for nothing and there will be 4 juicy follies waiting for me next week at my scan! I am thinking the same as you, more eggs more chances smile I do hope it works this way! I know the feeling, IF I ovulated my 2 lovely follies were wasted last month sad, I suppose it gives me something new to worry about if nothing else!

Haha, bless you, you do very well on the exercise front, 2hrs is good going, hope you're 'bits' are enjoying a nice bathe this evening!

Welcome rainbow you poor thing! If it was me I would keep trying and just make a nuisance of myself, they'll soon get sick of trying to fob you off, how often are you chasing them?
Give us a few facts about yourself - age, how long you've been ttc, background info, etc?

xChantellex Thu 29-Nov-12 19:44:55

So i haven't had regular periods since i can remember, as i was trying to concieve with no luck i went doc's and had tests etc which confirmed i had pcos. I started treatment (clomid) 1st June, that first month i didn't ovulate to a satisfactory level but still produced an egg, I also had all the typical symptoms clomid produces, very sore boobs, hot flashes and dizzy spells and then i had a period 30th June. I went for more tests mid june and it was confirmed i had ovulated and so i had a period end of july and then again end of august. both months i had side effects from the clomid. Then in september I had no side effects, and no period. I have taken 2 pregnancy tests which have came back negative and although i went to my doctor to get answers as i couldnt get in touch with the specialist, they have refused to test me there as it costs them to do it. I have been getting stomach pains simular to mild period pains on and off, feel mildly sick daily and have had lower back ache on and off for about 3 weeks and also feel bloated but as I have never had a positive test before I am unsure whether it means anything or not? or whether it is just a sickness bug maybe? has any1 with pcos on clomid been confirmed with ovulating for it to just stop? cant find anything anywhere online about it.

npg1 Thu 29-Nov-12 20:32:33

Evening ladies. Hope your all ok.

Tomorrow is my cd 15 scan, nothing seen a cd11 so im hoping so much tomorrow there will be something. I have a slight funny pain in right side low down tonight.

I had letter from my consultant as I have an appointment booked in march incase the clomid doesnt work, its been changed to aug 2013!!!!!!! can you believe that! Im so cross and feel like its never going to happen.

What im worried about is if tomorrow they decide I need a higher dose, how long will I have to wait for that?

xChantellex Thu 29-Nov-12 20:38:49

aug 13 seems a long time to wait? i'm not sure what you mean by cd 15 and cd 11, new to forums to tryin to get used to them lol. they should prescribe you a higher dose straight away if you need it, surely? x

npg1 Thu 29-Nov-12 20:44:04

Cd 11 (was mon for me), cycle day 11 of my period. had my scan, first cycle of clomid. She said she there was nothing there but it may be too early as I have PCOS and cycles normally about 35- 45 days long. She then said if there is nothing friday I will need a higher dose, but how will I get the higher dose if my next appointment isnt til aug 13!

xChantellex Thu 29-Nov-12 20:50:56

i would call up and question them on that, they should be scanning you every month till they're happy that you are on the right dosage, thats why im so confused with mine, cos they confirmed i was ovulating to a satisfactory level and then nothing? its so stressful.. x

xChantellex Thu 29-Nov-12 20:51:42

it may have been a computer error with your date. x

Rosiechoice Thu 29-Nov-12 21:22:32

xchantellex welcome, you poor thing, it sounds awful! when was the last time you did a pg test? Surely your doctor has to test? If you weren't seeing a specialist then you would go straight to your doctor for them to confirm if you're pregnant or not!?! Have you got in touch with the fertility unit you're with? I was told that if I got to cd34 to ring and ask for a scan, honestly I can't believe the crap we have to go through, so unhelpful!

npg I'll keep my fingers crossed for you tomorrow! As for the appointment change is it worth ringing up and questioning it? Tell them that you can't wait until August! When I rang up the other day to arrange my follicle scan, the muppet on the phone couldn't understand what I was phoning about (even though I made it perfectly clear) at 1 point she thought I was ringing about getting more clomid because I was told to take 100mg this month, she mentioned a prescription so I would ask tomorrow if they'll prescribe more clomid for you.

xChantellex Thu 29-Nov-12 21:47:00

i tried callin the fertility clinic but its such a big hospital and i keep gettin put through to the wrong people, so frustrating, but thanks for lettin me know that, i will make sure i get through to someone tomorrow and hopefully get a scan. done tests after 2 weeks of missing my period and 4 weeks after but nothing then. will do anyother tomorrow to be sure before trying to contact the specialist (again) lol. :Dx

goldengirl71 Fri 30-Nov-12 09:05:57

Welcome to the thread, Chantelle I'm sorry but I didn't understand a word of your post blush Are you saying you think you are pregnant? Here's what to do to get some help: when you ring the hospital, tell them the name of your consultant and say you want to be put through to his secretary immediately.

Npg1, tell them that August is not acceptable. Simple. P.s...the nurse who scans you can prescribe Clomid for you.

It makes me so cross how some of you are being treated. I wish you would arm yourselves with proper knowledge and stand your ground with these people. It really is up to you to make yourselves heard.

The usual suspects have turned up here: occasional nausea and really sore nipples (not sure what 'tender breasts' feel like, it's my actual nipples which are painful).

41 yrs, 2nd Clomid cycle, 9DPO

npg1 Fri 30-Nov-12 09:28:37

Morning. Well just got back from cd15 scan, he said there are lots of small follicles, wouldnt tell me much more than that but I heard him mention to the other sonographer 10mm. The uterus lining is thick. Cd11 there was nothing so maybe this is actually working. I am going back next thurs cd21 for another scan. My cycles usually 35-40 days long.

Chantelle, im sorry you are having a hard time. Have you done another test?

npg1 Fri 30-Nov-12 09:30:24

Golden, I hate the 2ww, I am always convincing myself I have pregnancy symptoms, its awful, how long are you waiting until testing?

goldengirl71 Fri 30-Nov-12 11:10:54

Npg1, that is utterly amazing news! did you know that follicles grown approx 2mm per day? This means that, by next Thursday, yours will be 24mm! You really can not ask for better than that. See? Oh ye of little faith wink So, so chuffed for you that Clomid is doing its job x

Yes, the 2ww is torturous - but only if we give in to the nonsense we tell ourselves. I am trying very hard to ignore the 'implantation dip' on my chart, the sore nipples and the beautifully high temps. I will only take a pregnancy test if my temps are still high at 11DPO (Sunday). If my temp is dropping by then, I will know I'm not pregnant sad BUT! [drum roll] I've got my day 21 progesterone result back: 106.8!! How massive is that?! grin

Off to the gym to calm myself down...

rainbowbreeze Fri 30-Nov-12 11:24:08

Rosiechoice i've been ringing up every couple of days and just keep getting fobbed off. Still not heard anything back !
Im 32 been TTC#1 for 2 years - got an underactive thyroid which I found out about 5/6 mths in thats stable now, had tests SA, HSG etc and everythings come back clear also tests have showed that I do ovulate.
Cant believe I might have to go into the wknd still not knowing.. sad
Luckily I have a girls Xmas party tomorrow to enjoy ! grin

goldengirl71 Fri 30-Nov-12 14:09:40

Annalou, have booked your day 21 blood test yet?

Christelle2207 Fri 30-Nov-12 14:35:57

golden that is an incredible prog. score have feeling that you will soon be joining the due in august thread

goldengirl71 Fri 30-Nov-12 16:04:55

Ooooh, Christelle! What do you think such a high score means? The nurse told me it means nothing - just that I ovulated. Last month's score was 71.6 and I still wasn't pregnant sad

Christelle2207 Fri 30-Nov-12 16:49:01

no expert but the higher the better. i was told that 25+ was good.

goldengirl71 Fri 30-Nov-12 17:30:56

What I'm trying to get at is this: how much 'better' than ovulation can it get? What accounts for such a high score as opposed to, say, 50? I can't explain what I' trying to ascertain. Sorry.

Hopefully2012 Fri 30-Nov-12 18:15:07

Hi ladies

Please please help I have never used opk. I done opk yesterday got pos done another today positive again.
Have i ovulated yet?
How many days do you get positive till you ovulate?
Im on cd14. My ovaries are still hurting been 3 days now.

Golden - great score. happy for you & still got fingers crossed for you hun.

goldengirl71 Fri 30-Nov-12 18:19:30

Hopefully, when you detect an LH surge (positive OPK) there is no need to test again (in fact they advise against it). You should ovulate between 24 and 36 hours later.

Hopefully2012 Fri 30-Nov-12 18:48:45

Golden thank you hun. oh so that means i ovulate tonight or right now lol.

goldengirl71 Fri 30-Nov-12 19:22:57

Correct! Get bed-rocking, missus! grin (tonight and tomorrow morning if your fella's up to it)

mumalah Fri 30-Nov-12 19:26:22

Bloody hell golden can you give me some of your progesterone please !grin

Hopefully2012 Fri 30-Nov-12 19:32:58

Thank you. I bedrock this afternoon lol (dh had day off) should i do it again later or wait till morning?

Hopefully2012 Fri 30-Nov-12 19:34:59

Also last night lol.

mumalah Fri 30-Nov-12 20:04:22

Anyone know how I can increase my progesterone this month?

goldengirl71 Fri 30-Nov-12 20:29:59

Hopefully, if it's one or the other I would do it again tonight - just in case you ovulate through the night and morning's too late. What time yesterday did you get your LH surge? Was the second line as strong and dark as the first one?

Hopefully2012 Fri 30-Nov-12 21:15:17

Golden Thank you hun done opk @ 5pm & same time today. both tests second line was a tiny bit lighter but strong line, what does that mean i already ovulated?

goldengirl71 Sat 01-Dec-12 00:02:12

Hopefully, unless the second line is as strong as, or stronger than, the control line you have to treat it as a negative. I thought it was weird that you were seeing positives two days on the trot. It sounds to me as though your LH surge is approaching. Be sure to keep testing each day at approx 3pm making sure you limit your liquid intake for the two hours beforehand. If you've got the cheap internet OPKs test twice a day (but not in the mornings as you can get a false positive at this time).

Mumalah, what do you mean exactly? Progesterone is produced by the corpus luteum when an egg is released at ovulation. If ovulation does not take place you will only see low levels of progesterone. If you are talking about extending your luteal phase that is something you should talk to your consultant/GP about. If you do become pregnant with a short luteal phase there are injections/pessaries which you can have to protect the pregnancy.

Had an enormous, horrible row with DP which is why I am up this late on the computer. I cannot figure out now whether he was in the right or I was. I think he secretly feels that this ttc journey is becoming a menace to my mental health. He's probably right. 10DPO tomorrow and I seriously can not be arsed with the next few days of hoping/dreaming/fretting. I wish I could escape from my head. I wish I could turn my back on ttc.

mumalah Sat 01-Dec-12 01:17:26

oh golden I know how you feel, I'm so bloody fed up with it all. The stress is unbelievable, and they say don't stress!. I'm always here at odd times of night, I just cant relax even when I'm knackered ! I have everything crossed for you, everything seems so positive this time for you! I've even ordered a bloody thermometer, I'm so impressed with your finding what your body's up to right through the month ! I will give a go !
I've just heard today that a friend of a friend has been discharged after 6 months clomid by my consultant, time is running out I fear ! I have also been frantically googling what other options after clomid like angus cactus. I've also discovered that maybe taking vitamin b may help with my low progesterone problem.

npg1 Sat 01-Dec-12 15:31:30

How u doing golden? So you definately think the clomid is working?

Christelle2207 Sat 01-Dec-12 15:35:57

hopefullyi never got a clear positive on an opk, justfaints lines. I actually think I probably got a short lh surge, so didn't properly catch it. Once you've seen a fairly strong 2nd line, I would suggest stopping then DTD for the next 2-3 days. The will still be traces of lh surge in your urine after you have ovulated.

Hopefully2012 Sat 01-Dec-12 19:40:06

Big thank you to golden & christelle for your great advice you have both been a great help. x x
I'm hurting don't want to dtd for next few days but i know i have to & i don't think he has got any sperm left now lol might as well make the most of my last cycle of clomid. I hate ttc its hard work i think if i'm not pg this month i am going to take a month off & have fun for a month (drink & eat) & not think about it for a month as i do need to have a holiday from ttc its sending me crazy & then start again in rubbish January.

Annalou84 Sat 01-Dec-12 23:11:24

Hi golden. I don't get blood test as my gp won't do them. It's cd19 for me 8 days till af I've got period pain like cramps so I don't think I will get the news I so desperately want sad

Happier note I'm on Marbella on our works Xmas do its the last day today. Looking forward to being back with the hubby

goldengirl71 Sun 02-Dec-12 09:12:53

Mumalah, what makes you think there's a problem with your progesterone? Is your luteal phase short? Have you properly researched agnus castus? I've heard negative things about it. It's a powerful herb which has proved to be problematic to some women's cycles. Proceed with caution and always check with your GP.

Annalou, I thought you were going to pay for a private blood test as you were asking us on what day of your cycle should you have the progesterone test. It was you, wasn't it? That is some Christmas do in Marbella! Has the bitch gone with you?

Well, my mood is much improved. Me & DP have made friends and had a lovely reassuring chat. He is losing the faith, I am afraid, that this baby is going to happen for us. I will have to be doubly faithful to the dream (sigh). However, this morning's temp is beautifully high at 11DPO so I'm getting all excited all over again (deeper sigh). If my temps are this high on Tuesday I will definitely test. My period is due on Wednesday.

41 yrs, 2nd Clomid cycle, 11DPO

Annalou84 Sun 02-Dec-12 17:16:09

Hi golden yep I did ask about the blood tests but I haven't had them done sad

Yep the bitch came I've never met anyone who is so attention seeking as her!!!!!!

I'm so worried that this cycle hasn't worked ttc is so hard I never thought it would take this long. My friends have been very lucky when they fell pregnant I think the longest was 2 months of trying they are lucky ladies.

Hope everyone is well on this cold Sunday night. I'm just on the coach back to Basingstoke from the works do can't wait to see the hubby smile

goldengirl71 Sun 02-Dec-12 18:10:20

If I am not pregnant this month I will rampage around the country setting fire to Mothercare and stealing babies from maternity wards.

Hopefully2012 Sun 02-Dec-12 20:48:19

I have got fingers cross still for you Golden, glad you made up with dp.

Tomorrow i have got my appointment with consultant i'm bit nervous.
Any advice on questions to ask him. Going ask my blood results & whats the next step for me. I'm cd16 ovaries have eased up now so must of ovulated just feel so tired & back ache.

Hope you are all well
Take care

npg1 Mon 03-Dec-12 18:48:36

Well today I have slight cm clear and stretchy. Only little bit though. On cd18 at mo. Got another scan thursday cd21 but what happens if I o before then? We are dtd every other day, tonight being the night

Meluv Tue 04-Dec-12 07:15:53

Woo hooo I have found my lovelies again oh how I've missed use it shut me out an I have search high an low for u all am so happy big hugs all mwah mwah mwah

Meluv Tue 04-Dec-12 07:36:05

Well what's the news hope we have sum good news girls .... Well not on my clomid this month I had a scan cd6 to check in my cyst which was Tuesday last week bad news for me my cyst has well more than trebled in size it was 5cm last month an it is now 38 cm so it was panick stations nurse told me three months wait to remove it but I got a letter two days later off my consultant saying pre op 6th dec an in for op 10th dec may loose my ovary an tube they said got to discuss it all on Thursday sad am very scared girls but its got to be done ... On a good note I was only cd 6 remembering my cycles r long 34/35 an I don't ovulate till around cd 20/22 I had 3 follies in my left ovary 6mm 8mm an 11mm I was so excited I told the nurse I was going to bed rock like mad to try an catch them grin hence y I think they r taking me in so quick because of what I said against there advise an the size it's gone to so quick am going to start my OPK today an see if I can do it naughty I no but hey when u tried for so long an u get 3 follies they r not going to waste believe me am doing my best to try an get em ha ha they can drain my cyst if I get a BFP this cycle an monitor it through my pregnacy if am that lucky just means more work for them bit dangerous for me well girls that's were am up please let me no were use r all up to I was so excited finding use again that I have not even read back any of your posts big shouts of Ello to my two first clomid friends golden & annalou an big Ello to all the other girlies mwah x

Meluv Tue 04-Dec-12 07:38:20

Sorry not dangerous for me that was ment to be x

goldengirl71 Tue 04-Dec-12 09:07:06

Meluv, I'm thrilled you're back, I was worried about you thanks I don't blame you for bed-rocking against their advice - I certainly wouldn't waste three follicles. I hope they successfully drain your cyst x

Ladies, I got a BFN this morning at 13DPO and am simply devastated. I am really beginning to lose the faith re having a baby and DP feels the same. The Clomid has worked beautifully both times - have produced two juicy eggs which were released and then had massively high progesterone scores at day 21 - but I'm still not getting pregnant. I can only assume it is my duff eggs. TTC is now impacting badly on my day-to-day mood and on my relationship. I am starting to resent DP for not being able to give me more sperm around ovulation. I resent the lack of sex the rest of the month (he has completely lost his sex drive and, if I'm honest, so have I). I resent that he is still smoking (although he has spent a small fortune on Coenzyme Q-10 which can improve a man's sperm count and motility). He is a fantastic man but I'm beginning to feel bitter and very lonely on this TTC crusade.

Mumsnet is not helping. In fact, I can honestly say it is driving me insane. There are two women on the over-40 thread who have just fallen pregnant and, of, course, the lucky Christelle on here. My friend asked me if she could visit yesterday with her 12 week old baby and I was blunt: I said I couldn't cope with cuddling a baby when my period is due any minute (tomorrow). It would simply be too hard on the back of a BFN. With this in mind I am going to take a break from mumsnet. I will pop in from time to time to see how you are all doing. I'm sorry if you feel I am abandoning you but I need to escape from my head and all things TTC. I know you'll understand...

All my love and best wishes,

Kerry xxx

Meluv Tue 04-Dec-12 10:52:19

R golden big special hugs to u from me I understand all u have said an all u r going through if we r all honest we all feel the same at time to time Hun I hold my hands up an say I have felt all those feelings u describe its such a very hard journey luv we will all miss u me very much but if u need that break then take it lovely but please don't give up in your dream u r such a lovely fun girl an u so deserve to have what u desire all my luvs hugs an kisses to you X X X Shelly ps if u need me u no were I am lovely x

Annalou84 Tue 04-Dec-12 11:58:59

Hello meluv hope you are we'll weave missed you on heresmile
I would also ignore the doctors lol you go for it girl xxxx

golden you will be missed much but I so know where you are coming from, but please please don't give up!!! Maybe have a little holiday some time to relax but I hope to see you on here telling us your good news sad xx

Well I'm on cd23 having period cramps so I feel it's not going to be good news for me my af is due on Sunday. We have 1 more cycle to start next week then we get referred I just feel down I just want it to bloody work!!!!!!!!

Annalou84 Tue 04-Dec-12 12:00:18

Meluv that was meant to be hope you are well we have missed you!

I hate this iPhone

Annalou84 Tue 04-Dec-12 13:19:15

Golden that was meant to be a smile

I'm not having a good day lol

npg1 Tue 04-Dec-12 13:35:09

Hi girls. Its been very quiet, I wondered where everyone was! Glad your back.

Golden, im sorry about BPN, its a shame your going but I understand.

Meluv, I hope your ok.

Im now on CD19, got some clear stretchy mucus today. Going back for another scan thursday and a blood test to see if I have ovulated, I doubt i will by then although I think it will happen thursday or friday.

Can anyone help me? CD 15 had some small follies, heard him mention 10mm. Going back CD21 to see how they have grown and starting to get mucus. When should we be BD? We tried last night but DH couldnt which has never happened before but to be honest we both werent in the mood. We did it saturday so I have said it has to be tonight. It feels like such a chore.

Christelle2207 Tue 04-Dec-12 14:13:28

golden so sorry to hear that it was bfn.

meluv hope youre not too scared about your op.

Meluv Tue 04-Dec-12 14:55:41

Anna I have missed use too christelle how r u doing hunny how far gone r u hunny have u had a scan yet am so made up for u ... Please tell me it's u an I have the right person shock .... Npg they say its best to bed rock every other night don't they that's what I wud be aiming to do do but I no what u r saying it becomes a chore an embarrassing at the same time too if u had follie at 10mm on cd 15 they say they can grow 2 to 3 mm per day so that cud be a good size by now hunny good luck ... I MISS R GOLDEN ALREADY sad

npg1 Tue 04-Dec-12 18:28:13

Thank you. Thata what we r aiming for. Strangly today though I have had very slight spotting which is strange, anyone know why? X

Christelle2207 Tue 04-Dec-12 18:46:11

meluv yes am pg but only 5 weeks so very nervous. not sure i can get early scan on nhs though likely to pay for private one christmastime if i cant. seems a very long way away.

npg could be an ov. bleed perhaps? can happen though never to me

Meluv Tue 04-Dec-12 19:15:11

R christelle am over the moon for u lovely please keep us posted hope u have a lovely heathy pregnacy Hun am off for me pre op on Thursday just want it over an done with now although I can't go back in my clomid till about may cause we have booked to go to Mexico next oct my sister is getting married out there an am her maid of honour so wud not miss it for the world get this cyst out give my insides a bit if time to get better an then back to my bed rocking ill be xxx

npg1 Tue 04-Dec-12 22:18:21

Meluv, good luck.

Well the spotting has stopped and we have bd lol.

How big do they say follicles have to be before they release?

npg1 Tue 04-Dec-12 22:35:43

Meluv, good luck.

Well the spotting has stopped and we have bd lol.

How big do they say follicles have to be before they release?

Meluv Tue 04-Dec-12 23:14:23

Thanks npg an I not a clue about what size they say they have to be before they release Hun golden wud of been good at this I bet smile google it Hun u may find out that way xxx

Rosiechoice Wed 05-Dec-12 08:10:12

npg I was told your follies need to be at least 18mm to be released - good luck! smile

npg1 Wed 05-Dec-12 12:46:28

Thanks ladies. Feeling slightly nervous about tomorrow.

LittleFilly Wed 05-Dec-12 18:24:51

Hello ladies,
Do you mind if I join your thread? Am on my second Chlomid cycle, and the whole TTC thing is really getting me down. Added to which friends are dropping babies like there's no tomorrow.
Really want to stay positive, as am usually such a cheery soul, but finding it hard dealing with it each month! How do you all get through the 2 week wait? x

npg1 Wed 05-Dec-12 21:50:10

Hi Littlefilly. I understand how you feel. Im on my first cycle of clomid. CD20 at the mo. The 2 week wait will be hard this month, I hate it. I had a mc aug and had tested early but im not testing early anymore!

LittleFilly Wed 05-Dec-12 22:01:37

Thanks for the words of support npg1.
I'm so sorry to hear about your loss. It really did put what I'm going through massively in perspective. It sounds like you've been very brave and strong.
I'm due on Monday, so going to try and wait until then to test. Let me know how you get on. Hope the chlmomid works its magic on you!

npg1 Wed 05-Dec-12 22:12:18

Thanks LF, it was very hard and sometimes I still find it hard now. How long have you been trying for? x

Annalou84 Thu 06-Dec-12 07:04:02

Well ladies it looks like my 2nd round of clomid has been unsuccessful sad

Start my 3rd round next week. I just don't get why some people fall pregnany so easy and I can't even manage it with help this is really starting to get me down I feel it's never going to happen for us sad

mumalah Thu 06-Dec-12 07:16:08

Same here Annalou, Ive got to ring today to get something to start af, I am now on day 36. Clomid has messed up my cycle big time.

Annalou84 Thu 06-Dec-12 08:58:32

Mumalah that's not good. How many cycles have you done?

Meluv Thu 06-Dec-12 09:38:41

Welcome LIttlefilly we r all hear to help each other the girls are lovely on hear so u r in the right group annalou am so sorry hunny an I understand they way u feel it is soul destroying this whole journey but keep your lil head up and keep going am sure it will happen for u probably when u least expect it Hun big hugs to u an all the rest of u lovely girls ... Am cd 15 at the mo but can't do anything as am having my op on Monday to remove the cyst I hope an pray I can keep my ovary an tube sad good luck girls .... A big shout to r golden thinking if u lovely hoping your ok xxx

Charlotte321 Thu 06-Dec-12 11:24:17

Hello ladies, sorry I keep popping in and out, I'm still not eligible for my exclusive clomid crew pass as I'm not taking it yet! Have my first tablets ready though but not sure when I can start. Would be great to hear what you all think on whether it's ok to start taking it for one cycle, then take a break for one cycle, then get back on it for the third - is it ok to take gaps like that? I'm just worried as I have a two week holiday in Jan and won't be able to be monitored then. confused

npg1 Thu 06-Dec-12 14:23:17

I have an 18mm follie only 1 though!

mumalah Thu 06-Dec-12 20:48:21

HI everyone, I pop in and out too ! That's great news npg1 !
Annalou Im waiting to start 3rd cycle, I haven't ovulated on either.
Charlotte321 Im afraid I don't know anything about taking breaks, I'm sorry, have you looked it up on the internet, or ask your doctor ?
Welcome Littlefilly
Big wave to golden!
Meluv I hope everything goes well for you, keep us posted ! You'll be back on the clomid in no time !
I've got to pick up a prescription tomorrow for something to bring on af, I can't believe I'm actually gonna take something to make this happen, they have always been the bain of my life! You watch, once I start , knowing my luck I wont stop! On the plus side might not take it until after the weekend, and maybe have some non-baby making sex for a change !

Hopefully2012 Thu 06-Dec-12 21:50:07

Hi ladies

Hope you are all well.

Golden - sorry you have left but i understand & you got put yourself first, i hope you are ok hun. miss you on here.Good Luck. Take care xx

Littlefilly - Welcome. The 2 week wait is so hard all you can do is keep busy & try your hardest not to think about it easy said then done i know i'm doing the 2w wait now. you have come to the right place for support. Good Luck.

Annalou - Good luck with the 3rd round. I know it does make you sick everyone around you getting pg easy or by mistake & we have take pills etc to help us & still not pg its hard ttc physical & mental just hang in there we will all get pg one day just don't know when!

Meluv - Good luck with your op monday hope everything goes great for you.

Charlotte - Hi why don't you wait till after your holiday to start taking clomid (then you can be monitored & you will be less stressed) & enjoy yourself for a month as ttc is hard hard journey. But if you really want to start taking it ask doc about breaks in cycles.

npg - Sorry to hear about mc i know its awful hun hugs. Good luck with your follie, you only need one to get pg.

mumalah - Good luck with the pills, i too would wait till after the weekend & have fun with dh. Its great to have sex with out ttc.

Well i'm on cd20 & my last cycle of clomid (been 6 hard months) got take 6months break then can go back on it if i want.
Well not good for me got a cyst which hurts & my endo is stopping me getting pg so i have got to go & have it treated again which means i will not be able ttc for 5months sadly i don't know how i'm going to cope. or maybe i won't have the treatment but if i don't i'm really not going to get pg i don't know got till jan to decide. well fingers cross i'm pg now but i'm not going to get my hopes up, well try my hardest not to, worst thing i'm getting pg symptoms like always & i'm not (i'm ignoring them its cyst & endo) I'm going to try & enjoy my self for the rest of the month after bfn next week at lease i can have a drink (mm its been so long since i had a drink gave up for ttc years ago). I'm trying to stay positive but its hard i just want a baby & every where i turn theres a baby all my friends & family are on 2,3 or 4 baby & none of them had a problem ttc most of them accidents. Had to let my moaning out to save dh ears lol

Take care ladies xx

mumalah Thu 06-Dec-12 22:20:54

Hopefully I'm keeping everything crossed for you for a bfp ! If i had more chance of getting pregnant with op, i think id take that option. I know it seems like everything's being delayed, but it would be worth it in the end. I'm not sure how many cycles I can have. I wish id gone years ago to get help but we just thought if it happens it happens, it didn't even enter our heads that the older we were the harder it would be!.

LittleFilly Fri 07-Dec-12 04:37:41

Meluv, you are so right... You ladies officially rock! Also Mumulah and Hopefully (what a lovely alias!), thanks for the words of welcome. Mumulah, keep me posted on how you go with the 2ww. Same for everyone else. Lots of luck and positive thoughts.

Npg, we've been trying for 11 months. Doesn't sound long compared to many who've had this for years. But we sought help early cos I've always had painful periods and had a large cyst removed when I was younger. How about you? It must be very hard indeed. Can't imagine how you must feel.

Hopefully, sounds like you've been having a terrible time. I admire your approach to BFNs. You're totally right. Treat yourself to an oversized cocktail or three. I've virtually given up drinking... Not that it's made a jot of difference! Know how you feel about babies appearing everywhere. Another friend gave birth this week. So happy for her, but feel so sad not to be able to have a baby of my own.

Btw, Is anyone else having difficulty sleeping on Chlomid? I've had a terrible night's sleep all week. Mind you, dr just doubled my thyroid meds ten days ago (I''ve got mild hypothyroid which can cause infertility)... I think that can cause insomnia. Fed up of taking tablets, and of feeling sorry for myself! Hence, must tell self to pull self together.

Wedding anniversary coming up so assuming another BFN, will promise myself a lovely date night with hubby to look forward to. Plenty of fizz! Husband has been amazing. Am so lucky to have him.

Big hugs to everyone out there. Wishing hard for you all.


npg1 Fri 07-Dec-12 06:59:01

Morning everyone, so quiet on here!

LF, yes I had a terrible weeks sleep when taking clomid, would wake up boiling hot!

I am on cd 21 today, had scan yesterday as you probably know, 18mm follie. Yesterday after my scan I had light spotting which stopped after couple hours, then this morning we have BD and I have more blood but its more red/ pinky and a fair amount. Im really worried. Surely it wont be my period already, normally 35+ cycle plus if I only saw the follie yesterday it cant be period?

Hopefully someone will have some advice for me.

Hopefully, fingers crossed and hugs.

glsn Fri 07-Dec-12 10:50:28

Hello everyone I have just found this thread and wanted to join in with people who know how I'm feeling.....we've been ttc for the first time for 2.5 years and after a lot of procrastinating, not talking about it, bottling eveything up and getting more and more stressed about it we finally went to fertility clinic this week and have been prescribed clomid as first thing to try. My period is due tomorrow so will be starting my first course of it this week. Really hoping it works as can't afford IVF, have been told we are not entitled to any help at all on NHS as OH had children from previous relationship, even tho I haven't and that was 10 years ago.
I am happy to have found this thread as really struggling to cope with every other person I know seeming to get instantly pg as soon as they think about it. My sister is trying for her 2nd, she's 9 years younger than me and I still don't have any......pretty much all my friends have young babies and while of course I'm happy for them I feel more and more alone every day...if one more person asks me when it's going to me my turn I think I'll go crazy!
Nice to meet you all and looking forward to some happy endings smile

Minnieheehee Sat 08-Dec-12 05:54:21

Hi Ladies. What a lot has happened since I popped up to say hello, can I join you!
Had 2 follicles, the injection thingy and another scan, only one follicle had released. Specialist was not too bothered, but I wondered if that was normal- any advice from you clomid/ttc experts?

doobeedee Sat 08-Dec-12 11:41:30

Hi everyone,

Been reading for a while but haven't posted much. I did join one thread when we first started TTC over a year ago but soon realised joining the monthly threads was just going to end in disappointment every month! Finally got an appointment with a fertility specialist on Wed and think the next step might be Clomid. I think I am ovulating but have a very short luteal phase (7-9) days. I had a positive preg test for about a week back in June but wasn't very hopeful as I'd also just had a period! Doc said it was prob a chemical due to low progesterone which would explain the short LP too. Littlefilly can I ask what your TSH level was before meds? I think this might be my problem too. I've read that TSH needs to be under 2 ideally to TTC and mine is 4.7 which is considered normal for the general population. GP didn't think it was a prob though but I wondered if it was worth mentioning to FS?

Christelle2207 Sat 08-Dec-12 14:39:44

doobee I am a recent graduate of this thread. It took me one year to conceive and I firmly believe that short luteal phase and high TSH (possibly linked) were the problem. I got pg when my TSH started dropping after starting levothyroxin also this was the first month of clomid so perhaps that helped as well! My TSH was higher than yours but I do believe it can cause difficulties TTC though I failed to convince GP of this. Regardless, a TSH of 4.7 is slightly on the high side (mine was 9) and you should be asking to start levothyroxin.

doobeedee Sat 08-Dec-12 19:46:10

Thanks Christelle. How did you get the Levothyroxine if not through GP. Was it from the fertility specialist. Are they more likely to think there's a link do you think?

Annalou84 Sat 08-Dec-12 20:21:32

Hello everyone not really contributed for a while but just been disheartened by this ttc business sad I got my af today so I start my 3rd cycle of clomid tomorrow. When I got prescribed it I didn't think I would get getting a 3rd round how naieve of me!!!!! I also started on the original clomid thread all optimistic and thankful of clomid now I'm down sad all the time I'm truly gutted I just keep thinking why can't it be me and my husband announcing to the world we are pregnant.

That's that off my chest.

Hello to all the new ladies hope your time on here is short for obvious reason lol

I just pray I'm lucky on cycle 3

Christelle2207 Sat 08-Dec-12 21:26:58

Sorry annalou.

Doobee levo from gp. Neither gp nor fertility consultant thought my LP or high TSH were a problem but I'm pretty convinced they were.

doobeedee Sat 08-Dec-12 22:04:23

So you managed to convince them to give you it anyway Christelle?

Christelle2207 Sat 08-Dec-12 22:39:39

yes but i had symptoms-felt poorly and lacking in energy.levo sorted that.

npg1 Sun 09-Dec-12 09:00:26

Morning everyone. Well im on cd24 today, no idea if I have ovulated or not which is a bit annoying. We have been bd so much so im hoping it has worked. Got to go back tues for another scan.

I cant imagine taking another roind of clomid either and will be so dissapointed if it doesnt work.

Hope everyone is ok x

LittleFilly Mon 10-Dec-12 00:24:26

Hey ladies,

Day 26, and just hanging out for AF (due tomorrow and reckon starting to get that heavy feeling in my abdomen)). Fingers, toes and everything else crossed for a miracle!

Doobee, my levels were way lower than your's - 3.8 to begin with. I started on 25mg of levothyroxine. After a couple of months my level was down to 3.3, but doctor says it should be lower so doubled my dose.

It wasn't picked up by my GP when I was first tested. It was my fertility specialist who identified it. Hope the info helps, but let me know if you have more questions.

Hope you manage to get your TSH treated. I'll let you know if it works for me.

LF x

LittleFilly Mon 10-Dec-12 00:29:32

Annalou - so sorry to hear about AF. It's so disheartening to go through the disappointment month after month. I think I'll prob be in same boat as you tomorrow. At least remember you're not alone, even if it feels that way often.
Npg, keep me posted on your progress. Hopefully you'll get lucky this month.
Big hugs to everyone.x

Hopefully2012 Mon 10-Dec-12 17:28:27

Hi ladies

Hope you are all well

Mumalah - Thank you for your lovely message. I have still got my fingers cross for a miracle. I test friday! if i'm not i will be having the treatment in jan & put on hold ttc as its just not happening for me & miracles are rare. Have you started your pills to bring on af? hope you had loads of fun with dh. Good luck with clomid hun.

Littlefilly - Thank you for lovely message. If i get the bfn friday i am going to drink all weekend so i don't think about it. I will have a goodbye clomid party lol. I hope you had a great anniversary! Fingers crossed you get bfp hun.

Meluv - I hope your op went great today & i wish you a fast recovery hun.

Npg1 - What happen with your spotting was it just 1 day? Good luck with your scan tomorrow hugs.

glsn - welcome. ttc is hard long painful journey but you are in the right place to let your emotions out. Good luck with clomid.

Minnie - Hi yes its normal for only one to be released the one which is most mature will be released only sometimes 2 get released for twins etc. You only need 1 to get pg (& sperm lol) Good luck & fingers crossed you get bfp.

Christelle - How are you feeling hun?

I am cd24 the wait is killing me & my mind & body is playing tricks on me! It's driving me crazy!! This is my last chance to get pg before my 6month break sadly no pressure but got a back up plan loads of drink, fun & try my hardest to put it out my mind & also helps i got xmas party saturday will i be drinking or not lol hopefully not. also still got loads of xmas shopping to do got buy 12 presents for my 12 niece & nephews (all conceived easy). Im try to stay possitive but i know i am going to be heart broken again. Good to let it out.

Good luck & take care ladies xx

npg1 Mon 10-Dec-12 18:02:46

Hi everyone. The spotting stopped after a couple hours, very strange. Had a few o pains friday night and thats been it.

Scan tomorrow, in an ideal world what should I be seeing? The follicle gone? X

doobeedee Mon 10-Dec-12 18:05:55

Thanks Littlefilly. Appointment on Wed so I'll definitely flag up the issue if specialist doesn't mention it. I've read about him and he's supposed to be very good so here's hoping! I'll be pleased if that's the problem but also pissed off as the first doc I saw in June said straight away that it might be my thyroid. He was only a stand in though and when I told my usual doc what he'd said she said "I doubt it" and that's it! Grrrr! I'll be rubbing her nose in it if it's turns out he was right!

Rosiechoice Mon 10-Dec-12 20:58:45

evening ladies,

I've been 'lurking' in the background, reading how you're all getting on, I hope you're all ok and dealing with this long and difficult journey!

I have a question for you all, last month (some of you might remember) that I thought I ovulated but not until cd19, I was told to have my 'day 21' blood test on cd21, so 2 days after I thought I'd ovulated (too early to get an accurate result) SO on paper I didn't ovulate and I was told to take 100mg this month. I went for my scan last thursday (cd 11) and had 3 follies, the biggest 1 was 16mm so the nurse (understandably) thought I would ovulate soon and told me to have my blood test on cd18. I'm now on cd15 and haven't ovulated so I'm expecting if I do it'll be a similar time to last month so the blood test is pretty much a waste of time! I rang my fertility unit today to see if I could have another scan or change the day of my blood tests - they refused both and told me do as I was told. I feel so frustrated by it all, what would you do? I managed to get them to 'allow' me to have 2 blood tests but they said it must be cd 18 and cd 21 (I think both will be too early), I'm tempted to have 1 of them on the 'correct' day as instructed but have the other on what I think is 7 days after I ovulate (if I think I have) or do both then ask my doctor for an extra blood test when I think is the correct day to test.

Sorry, a bit of waffling, but I'd really appreciate some advice if anyone has any?


Kellyhou1 Mon 10-Dec-12 21:10:16

Not sure if this is replying to a message or a general comment?! Have never used this before smile I'm 6 days post ovulation on my first cycle of clomid (50) when is it acceptable to test??? Or should I wait until my period due date?? Silly question, I should wait !!! X

npg1 Mon 10-Dec-12 21:17:35

kelly, I would wait until your period is due. Sorry to be a party pooper!!! Im also on clomid cycle 1, cd 25, got to go back for another scan tomorrow x

Kellyhou1 Mon 10-Dec-12 21:25:48

Aah I know you are right il try and be patient, no point in disappointing myself unnecessarily! What does cd mean? Cycle day? Iv not had or been offered any scans, what will the scan show? X

goldengirl71 Mon 10-Dec-12 23:16:59

Rosie, have you been given the green form to give to the nurse who draws blood on 'day 21'? If so, book in with the nurse at your GP surgery for the day you want the blood to be taken - this is what I do. The sonographer gives me the form and I decide when to have the blood test - at my GP surgery. However, when I need my results the GP surgery can't help; the results are known only by the hospital, so i have to ring them. If none of this works for you I wouldn't bother fretting about day 21 tests - trust your charts.

Meluv Tue 11-Dec-12 09:01:56

Elo lovely all u lovely ladies old an new and r golden how strange I not been in for days an I post just under u I hope things e getting better for you lovely missed u ... Well hear I am very bloated very sore still very groggy after my op yesterday I never got home till 10:45 last night my blood pressure was low don't no a lot but op went ok they saved the ovary & I have just been told to start my clomid again right away an book for a scan am so happy with the outcome big hugs lovelies I will be back when I can make more sense ha ha bye for now x

mumalah Tue 11-Dec-12 09:39:52

Hello eveyone, Welcome back golden we have missed you ! Meluv So pleased your op is over and your home recovering! Hopeful I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you !
I'm on day 3 of northisterone to bring on AF. Not sure if this will increase my progesterone levels or just start af? I can remember taking this medication about 20 years ago to stop af !
Have a good day everyone !

goldengirl71 Tue 11-Dec-12 11:15:57

Oops! Not really back, lovely ladies, just thought I'd try and help Rosie out. Meluv, I am thrilled they saved your ovary - it must feel great to be 'fixed' somewhat. Great things can happen now, right? x

My AF arrived on Friday....*16 days past ovulation!* You can imagine the heartbreak, right? I knew that Clomid could lengthen the luteal phase but my first cycle on the drug had only extended my luteal phase by one day. I was sure this time around I was pregnant when AF didn't turn up on 15DPO. So, let that be a warning, girls: don't build your hopes up if AF doesn't arrive and do NOT test early - it's so distressing.

We have an appointment on 16th Jan to discuss IUI (artificial insemination) but obviously we're praying for a BFP before then. Weirdly, 16th Jan is the exact date we conceived this year!

I wish you all a very Merry Christmas full of hope, laughter and peace. I will keep my eye on you all, I promise...wink

Kerry xxx

goldengirl71 Tue 11-Dec-12 11:38:51

Found this for you all. It's an old thread but has all the answers (some very varied confused to your 'day 21' questions. Rosie, someone on here advises that you lie to your GP about when your 'day 21' is. This is what I do to avoid their uninformed bullshit.

Rosiechoice Tue 11-Dec-12 12:53:02

golden Thank you SOOO much for your advice, I've missed you sad I hope you're ok? I've been worried!
I've been given 2 forms (not green) but I'm guessing they're for the same thing, I haven't got them with me at the moment but I have a feeling they have the dates I should be going on them as well as the cycle date. I usually got my bloods taken at the hospital because I can go later in the day than my gp but I'm thinking about asking for a separate appointment with my gp and explain my situation and just ask for a progesterone level blood test - no doubt they'll be awful like the rest of them! I know I shouldn't really get too worked up over it all but I'd just like to know 1 way or another if I'm ovulating - this way it's just a waste of my time and theirs for that fact! I hate how they're so blinkered in their thinking - obviously everyone ovulates on cd14! grrrr

I am sooo sorry you got your af especially so late, I really did think this was going to be your month, this journey is so hard isn't it! I'll keep my fingers crossed for you for the 16th Jan, we need some more good news on here!!

meluv I'm so glad all went ok, I hope you start to feel back to your normal self soon and get the good news we're all so desperate for smile

Waves to all of you other lovely ladies flowers

npg1 Tue 11-Dec-12 14:00:03

Well good news today for me. Scan showed I have ovulated. They reckon I ovulated over weekend, cd 22-25. We bd cd19, 22 and 23. Hope I have timed it right.

npg1 Tue 11-Dec-12 14:03:24

Meluv, glad the op went well for you. Golden hellooo! X

Rosiechoice Tue 11-Dec-12 21:34:07

npg congrats! That's fantastic news! How many scans have you had this cycle? I asked for another 1 but they wouldn't allow it sad it's nice to know not everyone ovulated on cd14, I think your bd was pretty well timed by the sounds of it x

Meluv Wed 12-Dec-12 07:16:50

golden these are for you thanks along with a big massive hug from me am gutted for you lovely I was so hopeful last month deep down but was trying my hardest to put a front in saying I was not hopeful but I was its gut renching luv I can honestly say I hate this whole journey it's false fake an I feel like a performing circus act now I only carry on with this hell ride hoping for an amazing life changing result a lil bundle of joy that is all I keep thinking of my relationship has become so strained its become all about cd times egg white clomid scans blood tests grrrr it's getting me so down now .... Well girls I do hope we have some more good news on our thread real soon good luck to us all an big hugs too xxxx ps *golden please take care lovely XXX

npg1 Wed 12-Dec-12 15:53:34

Hi. I had about 8 scans in total I reckon. Im just hoping this month will be it for us. I was wondering if the reason I havent fallen pregnant recebtly is because I ovulate late and we normally give uo after about cd 20.

Everything so far has been positive for me so fingers crossed. X

doobeedee Wed 12-Dec-12 17:26:22

Well looks like I'm joining you properly now. Had appointment this afternoon and been prescribed Clomid for 6 months. Also had some more blood tests and getting a HSG. He also took my thyroid and short luteal phase concerns seriously which were the things I was most worried about him thinking was not a problem.

Rosiechoice Fri 14-Dec-12 18:45:52

Wow it's quiet on here these days! I hope you're all ok?

npg1 what cd do you think you ovulated on? I'm on cd19 and don't think I've ovulated on 100mg sad even though last month I thought I had on 50mg confused I'm hoping that I'm just going to be late but I doubt it! I'll keep my fingers crossed for you x

doobeedee welcome to the craziness that is clomid! How long is your luteal phase if you don't mind me asking? I think mines too short! It all sounds really positive from your appointment.

TGI Friday!

npg1 Fri 14-Dec-12 19:16:47

Thanks rosie. I am on CD29 today. Slight sore boobs but could be in my mind lol! So the luteal phase should be 14 days after ovulation?

What I dont understand is when I had the mcI found out on CD23 as did an early test which I shouldnt have done.

doobeedee Fri 14-Dec-12 19:24:07

Hi Rosie,

My luteal phase is ridiculously short at 7-9 days. He didn't believe me at first as he said it was so rare but he had written a thesis on it 20 years ago. When I told him I knew as I'd read it he looked at my charts and started to take me seriously! I said that maybe he could update his thesis now using me as an example!!

Rosiechoice Sat 15-Dec-12 08:24:09

npg1 hopefully your sore boobs are 1 of many signs to come! It is difficult to stay calm about it all though, we can all relate to that! Yeah 14 days seems to be the optimum, but I've read that 12 is ok (a little on the short side) and can be up to 16 days.
I don't claim to be an expert on all this ttc, I'm just a little obsessed and google is an amazing tool!
Maybe you ovulated earlier in your cycle that month so cd23 could have been later, who knows! It must have been awful for you though.

doobeedee that is short! I'm so glad he's taking you seriously though, hopefully with his past knowledge he'll get you 'back on track'. I read that vitamin b6 is good to help lengthen luteal phase and progesterone creams but from what I gather they're a bit controversial and can increase the risk of mc.

I've been temping this month, I haven't thought I've ovulated because I didn't have a significant dip but for the past 3 days my temperature has risen so good old fertility friend says I ovulated on Tuesday, I'm absolutely kicking myself because we missed bd on Monday and then on Tuesday (tmi I know) when we'd 'finished' and dh moved a lot (I think all) of his semen came out sad so I'm not hopeful for this month at all. Of course I have read up about it and it seems that some people say that sperm swim pretty fast but others say don't move for 1/2 - 1hour (which I normally do) I hope I haven't wasted this month!

doobeedee Sat 15-Dec-12 09:21:46

Yep. I said it was ridiculous! I've tried everything I can try myself and nothing has made any difference although I might be on to something with vitamin D supplementation. I've read studies about it and my LP did actually make 10 day in July and August when I'd spent a lot of time in the sun. Also, I could have something rare called Lutinised Unruptured Follicle Syndrome. This is where you get all the signs of OV such as pos OPKs and a BBT rise but the egg never left the follicle. Not many people know about it but can be a cause of unexplained infertility. Luckily, my specialist's thesis covered this as well!

Hopefully2012 Sat 15-Dec-12 10:03:37

Hi Ladies

Golden - sorry to here bfn hun. good luck this month & hopefully you won't need app in Jan.

Meluv - Glad op went great hun.

npg - Good luck got fingers crossed hun.

Rosie - I'm sure one sperm reached your egg & thats all you need is one. Don't worry about it hun. fingers crossed.

Well where do i start i got bfn & very painful cramps & back pain today. I am so devastated i thought i was sadly i am heartbroken & this is the end of my clomid journey now (for 6mths). I have been trying ttc for over 5years & got one bfp which ended in mc 2 years ago, 3 op & loads of treatments & nothing i think i have got to except that i'm not going to get the baby i want so much. I have to have more treatment for endo which only helps very short term & start saving for IUI. Endo beat me we done everything right eat healthy, both took ttc vitamins, workout, no drinking alcohol or smoking & regular sex weekly even more when ovulating, great body but not so great to get pg.
I can't stop the tears from falling. all i can do is drink & drink coz i don't want to be in all this mental & physical pain. Not even drink helps. Xmas is going to be crap got to see loads of babies to add salt to my wounds & pretend to be happy (great). Dh is working away so i can't even get a hug. I thought writing this would help but it don't. I will not be in the clomid crew anymore (finished 6 cycles clomid ). Its been so painfully hard & i'm finding hard as its not going to happen for us & its my fault. I lost the battle ttc. I know should dust myself off & pick myself up but sorry don't have any strength to do that now. what can i say i'm devastated & all alone to try deal with all this pain. All i wanted is a baby never imaged it would be so long, hard & painful journey.

Good luck all ladies & hope you all get bfp soon.

Have a merry xmas & great new year x x

npg1 Sat 15-Dec-12 10:53:07

Hopefully, im so sorry for you. thanks What treatment do you have to have hun? I cant begin to understand how you feel. Big hugs to you x

LittleFilly Sat 15-Dec-12 14:22:19

Hopefully - really really sorry it didn't work out for you. You must be so devastated. Try to stay hopeful though, as there are still other avenues to explore. I'm a big believer in one door closing and another opening in life, so you never know what is in store for you. Have you tried acupuncture yet? I've heard great things about it, and it might just help you deal with the emotional and stressful side of things.

Npg - v glad indeed to hear that you ovulated! Exciting news indeed.

Doobee - it's good to hear that you're getting some proper help, and that they're taking your TSH level seriously. Welcome to the Chlomid crew officially!

My AF arrived Tuesday :-(, which marked the end of Chlomid cycle 2.. Strangely felt ok about things, which is unusual because normally the arrival of AF means I feel very gloomy and tearful. One thing that may have helped was that I told my mum what was going on earlier this week. She was very supportive and it felt like a huge relief to have told someone.

Now taking a month off the Chlomid and the CBFM, as don't want to ruin Christmas by being all hormonal and tearful. The whole family is coming to stay and don't want to be create extra undue stress. Then back on CBFM and Chlomid in Jan. That will make month 3. If that doesn't work, we're going to move on to IUI.

Anyway, my message to you all is to try to enjoy Christmas if that's possible. I'm find doing some blessing counting always helps me keep things together. Big hugs to you all.

LF xxx

npg1 Sun 16-Dec-12 22:59:34

Evening ladies, well I am going out of my mind. 9DPO today. Felt a bit funny yesterday and spent most of the day laying on sofa. Today been out all day, had couple glasses wine. Got home and went to loo and have slght spotting. I hope to god this isnt AF I really do. CD31 for me and normally they are anything from 35- 40. God tummy pains too

Hopefully2012 Tue 18-Dec-12 15:27:50

Hi Ladies

npg - Thank you for lovely message hun. I hope you have stopped spotting & tummy pain. I hope af does not arrive. I have got have injections in my tummy for 5months which stop my hormones which will stop endo growing while on it then it comes back after sadly so really don't see the point. My Consultant offered me a 4th op but that comes with loads of risk & could do more damage then good as i have endo all over ovaries, tubes & pelvic plus i have loads of scar tissue so i said No & he backed my choice as its high risk. he don't know what else to do with me for ttc as he thinks i will fall pg soon (what a load of crap) he thinks its my endo stopping me getting pg. Hugs x

Liittlefilly - Thank you for lovely message hun. Must be a weight off your shoulders telling your mum (i wish i could tell my mum) Very good idea giving clomid a months break for xmas so you can enjoy yourself i would of done the same this month as well.

I did start to pull myself together then got a bomb shell from my sister who told me she pg with 3rd baby by accident again & she told me @ party while drinking & smoking (she might as well of stab me in the heart it would of been less painful). Everywhere i go i see pg ladies & newborns its driving me f-ing crazy, i'm trying my best to hold myself together but i feel like i'm loosing that battle, i'm a bit better if i'm busy which i am. I can not escape from pg & newborns its haunting & killing me so i'm not going to pick up my heart anymore (done it to many times) i'm going put it in a box & put it in a safe place. I good thing i don't miss clomid lol. Well got to go now got loads of things to do.

Take care ladies & hope you all get bfp xx

goldengirl71 Tue 18-Dec-12 17:36:50

Hopefully, can you afford IVF? Would you look into adoption? There are many ways to make or receive a child to love. Please don't give up hope. Women all over the world are having babies every second and millions of them have suffered far worse journeys than yours. Keep some perspective. Keep adding joyful moments to your life which distract you. Nobody blames you for resenting your seemingly ultra-fertile sister (I would've disowned her by now sad). Unfortunately, it is not a woman's 'right' to have a baby. It's a miracle anyone gets pregnant with all the bloody science behind what needs to happen for that sperm to fertilise that egg. I've been popping two eggs out each cycle on Clomid and no pregnancy here. Thank goodness I've just been offered a voluntary job at the drug service in Manchester I was telling you all about. I start in January and I intend to throw my heart and soul into it. I know I will be meeting serious addicts and their families and, having been an alcoholic myself, I know the pain and degradation of their lives. They will be suffering far more than I am on this crazy train of TTC and I hope to find a little perspective on what life really is all about. It's not all gurgling babies and rockabye baby-land.

My point is, we all need to see the good things in our lives and try to be proud of who we are - regardless of whether we have children or not. Instead of hoping for BFPs for us all I am going to hope that each and every one of us finds some fucking peace over Christmas and a renewed joy about what we've got already.

Kerry xxx

goldengirl71 Tue 18-Dec-12 17:40:10

[waves at Rosie and Meluv] thanks thanks

Rosiechoice Tue 18-Dec-12 21:32:32


hopefully my heart goes out to you, I've been rushing around getting ready for Christmas so haven't had chance to write anything but I've been thinking of you and hoping you're managing to get through all of this. golden is right there are many people out there who are a lot worse off than us but I know that at the moment there's nothing anyone can say or do that will make you feel better. You've got to deal with it in your own way, I tend to think anything that helps is acceptable. As for your sister I cannot even imagine how difficult that is to accept, I would really struggle, you're more than entitled to be upset. I think it's natural to feel as though there are babies and pregancy everywhere when you're ttc and especially when it's not 'happening'. Keep busy and as positive as you can (I know how difficult that is though). I think talking to your mum is a really good thing, I found that telling people (only a select few) helped a lot, they'll never totally understand but I think it helps to just talk sometimes.

Take care and I hope you manage to have a good Christmas.

golden that is fantastic about the voluntary job, you'll be brilliant at it, I think it'll be a great thing for you to focus on! New year, new job, new hope! I had a pretty rubbish couple of weeks but I've stepped back and looked at what I've got and I know that I have a lot and should be thankful for it instead of feeling so hard done by, I've been told that if I keep thinking I won't get pregnant it won't happen so positive thoughts all the way (until the next dose of clomid no doubt!) smile nice to hear from you!

flowers to all

eller1984 Tue 18-Dec-12 22:32:12

Can I join in your group please girls. Just about to start first month of Clomid.
Look forward to getting to know you all.

chunops Tue 18-Dec-12 22:48:10

Don't go down the route of herbs,if it was that simple,no one would consider clomid,speak to your GP first for her/his advice.Good luck Charlotte.

goldengirl71 Tue 18-Dec-12 23:10:27

I hope I didn't sound preachy in my last post. I think what I'm trying to say is I am beginning to realise that this utter desolation and panic some of us are feeling simply has to stop if we are going to survive this journey. I actually woke up the other night in a cold sweat, panicking at the thought of being childless for the rest of my life. It is a very real possibility for me, at 41, and yet I need to figure out a way of dealing with that sense of 'what am I if I am never going to be a mother'? 'What is the point of my life if I don't have children'? Well...there has to be a point, or else every woman in the world would have to bear children - and they don't. There are plenty of women just like me who lead happy lives without this aching torment.

Sorry to sound so defeatist, I'm not - I'm just trying to explain my personal feelings around that crushing panic and doom we feel when more and more months slip by without a BFP. It's a bloody shitty journey and I for one am not going to spend another year clawing my eyes out in desperation and pissing on sticks. Something's got to give...and I don't want it to be my sanity sad

Welcome, newbies! thanks

goldengirl71 Tue 18-Dec-12 23:11:24

Chunops, wise words. Herbs are bullshit - and that's a fact.

mumalah Wed 19-Dec-12 07:16:43

Hello everyone ! hopefully Im so sorry to hear what your going through. I cant begin to understand how you must be feeling, its so unfair.
npg1 Whats going on, any updates ?
golden Congratulations on your new post, you will be great !

Well Af finally arrived last night , after a cycle of 47 days ! Whats going on ? Before I asked for help from my doctors, my cycle was 28 days every month! Since then everything's gone haywire! Should of been able to tell af was on way as I was teary yesterday morning, then snapped dh head off as soon as he came home yesterday ( we still not speaking !)
Now, do I start 3rd cycle of clomid, or like you Lf take a month off ? Does anyone know if breaks are advisable or not to break the chain of medication ? I rang hospital on Monday as I hadn't started after course of northisterone, and they said to wait till next Monday, and if nothing by then get another prescription.
I really thought Id started the menopause, maybe worrying about that delayed af .
Have a good day everyone!

Annalou84 Wed 19-Dec-12 14:25:59

mymalah I've got straight on with my 3rd cycle I didn't want to take breaks. I'm cd 12 hoping this cycle will work for me!! I have my appt booked for the 4th of jan to get my referral if we are unsuccessful.

Hope you lovely ladies are all ok x

goldengirl71 Wed 19-Dec-12 16:44:27

Hiya, Annalou! I'm on my 3rd Clomid cycle, too! And I'm at DC13! We could be screw buddies! (How is the BD-ing going anyway?) wink

goldengirl71 Wed 19-Dec-12 16:44:59

DC??! Meant CD blush

Rosiechoice Wed 19-Dec-12 18:57:28

Hello all

Welcome to eller and chunops wine (it's Christmas after all!)

golden you didn't sound preachy at all, everything you said is so true! We all feel down about this whole process at some point or other and I think it's good to be able to put it all in prospective, something that I struggle with when I'm taking clomid but I've found the past week or so that I've been a lot more positive about it all. I'm sure it'll be short lived and once I get back to the clomid I'll be the crazy lady it always makes me into! I must admit I've done the same, panic at the thought of never having children and hope I don't have to deal with the reality of it, we're not there yet though!

mumalah sorry to hear af arrived! I've read that doctors advise a months rest after 3 months, I think it's totally up to you. I've been prescribed more clomid because I had to increase my dose to 100mg, I'm supposed to have 3 months then go back to the specialist but my appointments not until February so I was upset that I would have to miss a month, but now I have enough - I'm soooo tempted to carry on taking it so I don't 'waste a month'. I guess it's a decision I have to make closer to the time confused

I've had a little bit of good news today, I rang up for my blood test results today, I convinced the nurse to let me have 2 blood tests this month because of the f*ck up they made of it last month, I was told to go on cd18 and then again on cd22 my bbt chart told me I ovulated on cd16 so I pretty much knew the cd18 result would be that I didn't ovulate surprise surprise i didn't ovulate, so I asked what the result was but they said they couldn't give me that info over the phone!?! But then said that the cd22 result was that I 'well and truly' ovulated!!!! She went onto say that a 'score' of 30 is considered as successfully ovulating (which I already knew and expect you all know as well) and that my 'score' was about 6 times the minimum 'score'!!!!! I'm soooo happy, hopefully 1 step closer! I don't hold out much hope for this month and I'm trying to stay level headed because af is due on Christmas Day - I don't want to be a blubbering mess as a serve up the turkey to my patents, husband and in-laws!
I'm now more sure than ever that I ovulated last month, getting a blood test 2 days after ovulation was never going to be accurate! When I asked at my scan this month if I'd been tested 5 days after that would the result be higher she said 'doubt it' well I think you'll find that 4 days later the results are worlds apart!!!!

mumalah Wed 19-Dec-12 19:21:57

Hello everyone ! annalou im waiting for a phone call from hospital to advise me what to do but if i've decided to start 3rd cycle anyway, they are taking too long getting back to me.
golden glad to hear your on cycle 3 (3rd time lucky !)
rosie That's great ! I wish i could actually ovulate, i think id throw a party!

TMI ALERT! Im having the period from hell, i look 6 months pregnant, I feel like someones pulling my ovaries out and its pouring out !
But a least its bloody here, and im not menopausal (yet!) Im gonna be ultra positive this month, ive decided. I have conceived twice this time of year before, and im determined to go for a hat trick!

Rosiechoice Wed 19-Dec-12 20:13:59

Thanks mumalah I feel like throwing a party I'm sooooo happy! Can't believe this is what my life has come to! Hehe.

Re your af, mine was stupidly heavy last month for the 1st full day, felt like all my missed periods had come all at once, but it soon calmed down so fingers crossed yours will improve tomorrow x

Annalou84 Wed 19-Dec-12 21:14:52

golden it's going ok lol every other day I'm hoping I get my LH surge tomorrow as that's what happened on my last cycle

npg1 Wed 19-Dec-12 21:32:13

Well I got a bfn this morning. 12dpo. Had slight spotting 9dpoand boobs really sore. Obviously af coming sad

goldengirl71 Thu 20-Dec-12 10:48:56

Sorry, Npg1, it's so depressing getting a BFN. I know I sound like a stuck record but ovulating really is only half the battle sad

eller1984 Thu 20-Dec-12 19:33:51

Sorry to hear about your NPG1.


goldengirl71 Thu 20-Dec-12 22:37:08

Two sessions of baby-making down...two to go (phew!) grin

Meluv Fri 21-Dec-12 17:37:35

Elo lovely ladies old ones an new well I have not had chance to pop on I've been up the wall not even read back through all the posts on hear I do hope we r all ok is there any good news in any ways shapes of forms girls ? Well I've no news to tell use about me only am rushed off my feet trying to sort all my last bits am waiting for af to arrive so I can get back on my clomid start my 2nd cycle I have had no af since my operation it was due the 14th am sure it will show itself right on Xmas morning or something ... Big hugs to u all x

mumalah Fri 21-Dec-12 19:36:59

Oh Bless ! Meluv , It will come when you dont want it ! I was given something to bring af on ! Norethisterone ! i also had it 20 years ago to stop period for prolonged time ! xxx

goldengirl71 Fri 21-Dec-12 21:20:28

I am royally fucked off tonight. We've had to abandon any further attempts at sex after we have tried everything to make DP ejaculate. Even Viagra hasn't worked. Why can't I have a DP who can cum at the drop of a hat? Why can't I be shagged senseless morning, noon and night around ovulation? I hate, hate, hate this ! TTC has fucking wrecked our sex life and DP's confidence. Fucking baby-making rotten bullshit angry

goldengirl71 Sat 22-Dec-12 07:51:21

My hero DP crept into my room at 1 o'clock this morning and gave it another go...success!! grin

Meluv Sat 22-Dec-12 22:24:54

R golden it puts that pressure on us all love use r not alone it is so off putting for us an them but more for them because we don't have to cum to make the baby they do its like a performing act it's not normal it feels strained & false at times ... Am so happy use bed rocked to pleasure in the end grin big hugs lovely stay strong ... Ps my af arrived today back on my funny pills tomorrow take care all an hope use all have a fab crimbo mwah mwah mwah

npg1 Sun 23-Dec-12 09:38:22

Aww golden. Its good you managed to do it though.

I got a bfn yesterday and af is now on its way. Great! Oh well least it means I can have a drink over xmas lol.

viviennewestwould Sun 23-Dec-12 20:12:54

Hey, ladies, I've had a name change! I was Goldengirl but it was making me feel old so here I am as Viviennewestwould.

Just to wish you all a very merry Christmas and a peaceful New Year. May all our dreams come true.

Kerry xxx

P.s..we managed to DTD Tuesday, Thursday, yesterday and this morning and I ovulated today! Yay!! grin

Rosiechoice Sun 23-Dec-12 21:13:43

Hey ladies,

I hope you're all ok and looking forward to the festivities! I've been busy finishing off the Christmas cake and baking mince pies - how domesticated!?!

golden/vivienne love the new name and glad you've been getting lots of bed rocking! Fingers crossed for this month.

npg1 sorry to hear about your bfn and appending af, but enjoy Christmas and enjoy a drink or two or three.... wink are you temping too? I'm expecting af at any point sad temperature is still high but it's been falling for the past 4 days unfortunately, if its coming I'd prefer it to be sooner rather than later so I can get the baileys cracked open, so far I've been very good, not drinking just incase.


npg1 Sun 23-Dec-12 21:39:06

Im having a baileys now lol. No im not temping as just dont really want extra things to think about so decided not to temp or do ovulation sticks. Maybe I should next month?

Rosiechoice Mon 24-Dec-12 07:18:01

Yuuuum! Hope you enjoyed your baileys! Every cloud has a silver lining smile
I can't say I blame you, temping can tend to take over and I get a bit obsessed about it all, but I do find it interesting, if you'd prefer not to then sick to your guns, it doesn't really make any difference, just gives you an idea about what's going on throughout the month.

viviennewestwould Mon 24-Dec-12 10:31:44

Hiya, ladies [waves at Rosie]. I had a lovely hike in temp this morning just to confirm I ov'd yesterday. I feel so triumphant knowing I have four days' worth of sperm up there and we managed to DTD as I was ovulating, too! (felt the pain for around four hours) They do say, however, that sperm needs a good ten hours of being in situ before the egg is released. Any opinions? I so want yesterday's semen to count.

I'm glad the baby-making efforts are over just in time for Christmas. This last week has been hellish getting DP to ejaculate four times in a row with his 'issues'. I feel rather jubilant that we did all we could and much more. If I'm not pregnant this time I am confident the problem lies with DP and his 3% morphology. At least we have one round of IUI to look forward to hmm

Blessings to everyone losing hope and feeling the gnawing ache of Christmas spent with babies and kiddies. It will be your turn. It may not be as soon as you'd like but it will happen. Have courage! Get absolutely uncontrollably leathered because I can't and set your face towards 2013 xxx

npg1 Mon 24-Dec-12 10:58:56

I would like to temp but I always get up in night, about 4am to go to the loo. I have a braun digital ear thermometre and the instructions say to take temp 3 times and then take the average reading. The first time I take it its really low and then it goes up and up the second and third time. What kind of temp do you use?

doobeedee Mon 24-Dec-12 20:44:35

Grrrrrrrrrrr. I've lost my message twice now! Here's the short version... I'm taking first Clomid tomorrow and temping still works for me even though I get up loads in the night and have insomnia. My chart still shows a biphasic pattern and matches up with OPK I think because getting up is normal for me. It's the overall pattern you're looking for rather than individual temps.

Rosiechoice Mon 24-Dec-12 21:20:33

Waves back at vivienne brilliant news, ovulation and lots of bed rocking - you can do no more! Sit back, relax and enjoy Christmas I think! I think the whole 10 hours in situ is something we won't ever know for sure, I'm pretty sure you've done all that you can, as we all do. I will keep hoping for you and everyone else of course wink

npg1 I just bought a cheap digital thermometer off eBay, it seems to be doing the job though, what time do you usually get up in the morning? They say that its best to take it with a minimum of 3hrs unbroken sleep but if you've got the same routine every day I'd be inclined to think its acceptable. I've been taking mine 2 or 3 times in a row, hoping that my temperature isn't actually dropping and it goes up on the 2 and 3rd times, I think because you're awake and even if you're not moving a lot, you're more active. There's definitely pros and cons to it, if you're getting on ok as you are I wouldn't worry too much.

Sooooo nearly Christmas!!! Hope you have you all have a great day!


npg1 Mon 24-Dec-12 21:35:31

Thanks Rosie. So what temp do you put in if you do 3 readings too?

Strange today, 16dpo ish, no sign of af, got terrible sharp pain in right side like ovulation and going down into my leg. Did a test 12 dpo bfn, had spotting yesterday and thought it was af showing up but it lasted a few hours and only when I wiped and it went.

Very very strange.

npg1 Mon 24-Dec-12 21:37:46

And forgot to say my boobs have been hurting for about 2 weeks now, have been moody etc but probably just af coming along

Rosiechoice Mon 24-Dec-12 21:43:50

I record the 1st result (but make a mental note of the others) wow! You're doing well! I would test again if I were you, I'm going to in the morning and I'm 'only' 14dpo tomorrow! It sounds VERY promising, the spotting sounds hopeful without full af, some women still have periods when pregnant anyway, especially at the beginning. Have you taken your temperature in the last few days?

npg1 Mon 24-Dec-12 22:27:29

Do u think? I just think I'm not pregnant but am slightly curious but know I won't be that lucky to get a late bfp! I took a few days ago and it is stored on thermometer think it was 99. Something quite high and I'm a,ways so hot. Your not far behind me! X

Rosiechoice Mon 24-Dec-12 22:48:18

Yeah, definitely! 99 is brilliant!!! I know everyone's different but I'd be over the moon with that! Get testing 1st thing, temp and pg test smile could be the best present you get this Christmas! Do you usually go to 16dpo? Last month I only got to 12dpo so 13/14 dpo is good for me. Good luck, Hopefully hear good news from you soon! X

npg1 Mon 24-Dec-12 23:58:06

Aug I got to cd28 but had mc so that was very strange as found out cd23. The next cycle was 44 days and my last cycle was 36 days. Tomorrow is cd 40 for me x

viviennewestwould Tue 25-Dec-12 07:50:05

Bloody hell, Rosie, are you preggo???!!?

Rosiechoice Tue 25-Dec-12 17:45:45

npg1 you poor thing, i can't imagine how horrible a mc would be, this month sounds good though, I hope you've tested? Worth a try smile but I understand you might not want to on Christmas day.

Well vivienne I was coming on to let you all know that I am indeed pregnant!!!! I can't believe it! I kept saying to dh that all I wanted for Xmas was a baby but never believed it would happen for a second! I did 2 cheap tests yesterday, I initially did it to confirm I wasn't pregnant so that I knew if i could drink today or not, i was expecting af because my temp was getting lower but this morning it was back up and did a digital clearblue test this morning and it said 'pregnant 2-3 weeks' so I believed it a bit more when it was in black and white. I didn't want to say anything until I was sure.

I hope you've all had a lovely day and we have some more good news to follow shortly

viviennewestwould Tue 25-Dec-12 18:32:10

ROSIE!!!!!! Halelujah!! Oh, well done, my love, I am chuffed to bits for you thanks thanks thanks xxx

Rosiechoice Tue 25-Dec-12 18:55:57

Thank you!! Still in shock really but very excited, keeping our fingers crossed that it all goes well x

doobeedee Tue 25-Dec-12 22:11:43

Wow Rosie. Well done!! Well as for goes....just swallowed my first pill...eeek!

Rosiechoice Wed 26-Dec-12 10:11:17

Thanks doobeedee good luck with the 'crazy' pills! Although as you can imagine I'm a fan of them!

Meluv Wed 26-Dec-12 21:04:30

Rosie congrats lovely am so so happy for u wow what an Xmas prezzi that is big hugs lovely woo hoo let me no what ya stats have been forgot now luv what was wrong in first place what dose of clod u on how many goes woo hoo am so happy for u babes x

Rosiechoice Thu 27-Dec-12 06:29:12

Thanks Meluv, actually the best present ever! It's been a lovely time. My stats are 30, ttc no.1 for 14months, left polysysicic ovary, clomid round 2 at 100mg (although I think I ovulated at 50mg). It might be worth mentioning to you all that I've been having acupuncture too, obviously I'm unsure of how much of an effect it has had but I feel that it has been worth every penny. I followed a low gi diet and tried to eat as much foods that my acupuncturist recommended as possible, I used pre-seed and the cough medicine too, literally everything that I had read or been adviced to do I did, I hope it helps and you all follow me with lots of BFP's very soon xx

doobeedee Thu 27-Dec-12 07:38:39

Well bit of a spanner in the works for me. Have already taken 2 pills then got positive preg test after a heavy period. Tested after a period as I always do as it's happened before and turned out to be a chemical pregnancy. I'm ok but just a bit annoyed that this is going to mess up my first Clomid cycle. Going to ring clinic later to see what they suggest.

Meluv Thu 27-Dec-12 09:29:50

R rosie big squeezes luv am so so happy for you take things easy an let us no how u get on in your pregnacy please .,,, doobeedee u defo need to give your clinic a ring Hun tell them everything so they can help & sort thus pout for u I actually had a period when I was pregnant with my lil boy the first month that was 9 yrs ago but still it happened to me my gp said it can happen not to worry good luck let us no what they say Hun xxx ... Am cd 6 & take my last table of 50mg for my second cycle tonight stats am 34 don't ovulate every month have one gorge son already age 9 been ttc again for 8yrs with no luck so clomid us my first step of help

viviennewestwould Thu 27-Dec-12 11:11:17

Ladies who chart, please can you help me? I'm at 4DPO and this morning's temp has dropped below the coverline [wails]. Would you please put down your Times/DH/croissant/gin and take a look at my chart? Please? I'm refusing to leave the house to go to Tesco until someone reassures me I could still technically be preggo with these temps:

doobeedee Thu 27-Dec-12 11:25:42

A dip at 4dpo is called a corpus luteum dip and is caused by a secondary oestrogen surge. It's completely normal so you're not out yet.

doobeedee Thu 27-Dec-12 11:28:34

Thanks Meluv. This has happened to me before so I'm not too confident. Phoned them and they said stop the Clomid for this month and if still getting positives next week I can change my HyCoSy into a scan. Grr to wasting a month though! But I guess at least I ovulated on my own again!

viviennewestwould Thu 27-Dec-12 11:34:38

Oh, thank you, Doobeedee. What are your feelings around this BFP? I feel terribly excited for you but you say you've been here before?

doobeedee Thu 27-Dec-12 11:53:20

I'm not excited. It happened in May. I didn't even test until 11 days into what I thought was my next cycle and the positive tests lasted a whole week. I don't understand why the HCG stays in my body for so long though. Most people I've read about get a negative before their period even starts if it's a chemical but last time I had positive tests until 18 days past period which was 25dpo! Then they just went negative no more bleeding or anything. Thing is, I only know about it because I tested so I wonder how many more times it's happened when I haven't tested.

viviennewestwould Thu 27-Dec-12 13:32:27

Doobeedee, what a rotten, frustrating nightmare. Are the powers that be going to look into this for you? What tests are out there for possibly recurrent chemicals? I'm sorry you're going through this thanks

doobeedee Thu 27-Dec-12 16:14:38

Well the Clomid was meant to improve my progesterone levels but obviously haven't had chance to try it properly yet! I'm going to ask him for some progesterone supplementation for after OV next time I see him. I'm also convinced my thyroid has something to do with it but they are reluctant to treat as it's within normal limits. I'm going to start demanding it though.

viviennewestwould Thu 27-Dec-12 19:49:40

Good for you, Doobeedee, the least they can do is treat your prog levels after ov. I've had to do some 'demanding' myself, today. I need my 'day 21' blood test on Monday as Sunday (7DPO) the surgery is, obviously, shut. There are no nurses working on Monday so the receptionist was insisting I have them done next Wednesday, by which point I will be 10DPO. Not good enough. I asked to speak to the surgery manager and demanding that my actual doctor takes the blood on Monday (surely it is within his remit to draw blood?!) The manager um-ed and ah-ed until I sternly reminded her that it was her very surgery that referred me for fertility tests and Clomid and the least they could do is ensure my day 21 bloods are taken as close as possible to the correct day. She told me to ring back tomorrow after she has spoken to my doctor. Woe betide that wanker if he tries to fob me off...

doobeedee Thu 27-Dec-12 20:33:36

Ha ha. You get them told! I feel your pain about the blood tests. I could never get the right day due to having a very short luteal phase but the doc kept insisting that I had it at the normal time based on average cycles. Then I decided to do what she said and had a day 21 test when I knew for a fact I didn't OV until day 22. I think it might have got me referred sooner though in the end as it looked like I hadn't OV'd at all! Also they only take blood at very limited times in the mornings which is not really helpful for most people who work!

npg1 Thu 27-Dec-12 20:34:06

Congratulations rosie! Thats so good.

I got af christmas eve sad just about to take my second tablet of second round of clomid x

viviennewestwould Thu 27-Dec-12 22:44:49

Aaaaargh!!!!!!! A 44 year-old woman on the Over-40 thread who already has three kids has got her BFP! AAAAAAARGH!!!!! (Why do I feel so joyful for you, Rosie and like I could happily scratch that other woman's eyes out??) sad sad sad

npg1 Fri 28-Dec-12 00:55:47

Vivienne, its so hard. I went to see my friend before xmas who is due when I should have been due. I nearly couldnt see her cos I was so worried about seeing her bump!

Can anyone recommend vitamins for DH to take to help with his swimmers and is it worth it?

Meluv Fri 28-Dec-12 07:34:02

Elo to u all vivwestwood I do hope they do your bloods for u Hun u av every right in getting them done when they r supposed to be done so don't give up I no u won't without a good fight Hun can I ask girls an not sound dumb smile what does dpo mean is it day past ovulation ? Well am cd 7 so going to ring today to be booked in for a cd 12 scan an if nowt is showing good enough I will be scanned again cd 17 realy hope there is loads of juicy follies there this time I need to look back on the post on hear I can't remember when I ov last time vivwestwood have me the right cd I ov on x good look all x

Rosiechoice Fri 28-Dec-12 07:56:43

doobeedee you poor thing, I hope you get sorted out very soon, it's all so complicated! Keep demanding what you need though!

vivienne re your chart, have you looked through the pregnancy charts on fertility friend? I pretty much sat for hours looking through them all trying to analyse them throughout my tww, I just popped on now and 1 of the first ones had a drop at dpo 4 and then there was another that was below the cover line on dpo 5, don't loose hope yet, you're still well and truly in the running! I hope you get your cd21 bloods sorted out, I feel your pain on this 1!

Thank you npg1 sorry to hear about your af sad I thought it all sounded so hopeful for you, fingers crossed for this month, round 2 was my lucky month!

Haha, vivienne you really do make me chuckle! I'm glad you feel happy for me, but it is only natural to feel disappointed, it must just be the age thing, after hearing about 8 friends pregnancy announcements it did start to wear pretty thin for me, you just need to keep hoping! I tried to be more positive this month, I was told that if I don't believe I can get pregnant it won't happen so tried to be a lot more positive - I know the clomid was the main factor but positive thinking won't do any harm.

Ahhhh, I don't want to leave this thread, ttc with clomid is sooo different from these lucky buggers who fall pregnant 1st month or worse still by accident! You're a fantastic bunch if ladies and I truly hope you all follow me with BFP's 1 by 1 xx

viviennewestwould Fri 28-Dec-12 14:03:00

Hey, Meluv! How are you, chuck? If I remember rightly you ov'd on CD22 last month. Or was it 21? I got my way (surprise, surprise) at the GP surgery; good old Dr. Ibrahim will personally take my blood on Monday (8DPO). Should think so, too. The fact is I never take no for an answer - especially from the disinterested bitches on reception grin

Rosie, my temp is back up above the coverline (though not by much) but I've decided to cease scrutinising the chart gallery on FF as I truly do not believe they tell us anything whatsoever. In fact, I don't believe post-ov temps tell us anything and they only serve to give false hope. As women who are desperate to have a baby I think it's too easy to read into every little nuance and I'm sick to the back teeth of staring at charts. I have no idea why I continue to subscribe to FF when I know I ov every month, I know the date of ovulation and my OPK tells me when I'm at peak fertility (and for this reason I'm already regretting buying the CBFM when all it does is tell you to shag way too early and for ridiculous amounts of times)

Rosie, is it unforgivably creepy to ask for your intercourse frequency pattern when you fell pregnant? blush

doobeedee Fri 28-Dec-12 15:57:40

Woo Vivienne. You kicked their asses! As for me, still getting positive tests and I think I might feel a bit sick but can't decide if I do or if I just want to! I just want to get in with the next cycle but won't OV until the HCG is right out of my system.

Rosiechoice Fri 28-Dec-12 18:14:36

vivienne I think you do right, I read somewhere that someone said the only thing temping is good for is determining ovulation anymore than that it just messes with your head, they're right! I was convinced I was 'out of the running' this month after 5days of decreasing temperatures hence doing a test a day early, I was shocked! Well done for getting your blood test sorted though!! I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have been so successful, I need assertion lessions from you wink

As for my intercourse info I'm more than happy to share it with you, no need to blush just ask whatever you want, if I can help any of you I will!
Here's a link to my chart, I haven't bothered with symptoms etc pretty much only the temperatures and intercourse but I hope it helps xx

npg1 Sat 29-Dec-12 14:31:05

I am literally going out of my mind the past couple of days sad

I am on cd6 and already trying to plan when to bd this cycle. I had scans last month that confirmed I ovulated between cd 22- 25, I have a feeling it was day 22. I had ewcm on cd20 (but I only have it slightly.)

This is my second round of clomid, got 1 more cycle after this one and then back for appointment in april and im stressing about what happens if it doesnt work,

My questions are what days should we bd? I was thinking 16, 18, 20, 22?
Is temping really worth it? Im not sure I can handle to pressure as I want to put it all to the back of my mind.

Thanks in advance x

photographerlady Sat 29-Dec-12 21:33:25

Hi ladies I wanted to wish you a happy new year. I am not part of your club as of late but back in October fell pregnant on my first round of clomid 50 mcg after being told that IVF was my only opinion but wanted to try clomid and talked my doctor to it although I had no scans/blood test monitoring scheduled for the first 2 months prescribed. I made a lot of life changes that cycle in hopes to get pregnant long term. The first thing was I went low GI in my eating. Lots of warm soups and stews. I ate nothing raw and went for the warming womb method based on acupunture. Acupunture was the next thing I did. Had about six sessions focusing on fertility. I will be honest so glad I did it really relaxed me after months of being stressed. Finally the clomid. Days 2-6. Started BDing every other day from cd 7 but to be honest we did a lot of making out the whole beginning of the cycle. I had a lot of ovulation pain but honestly with using pre-seed lube it made babymaking a lot of fun. I also used clear blue fertility monitor throughout the cycle and peaked cd 13&14. Got my BFP on cd28. Anyway that's every little detail. It was very much a try everything and just thought I share for those interested in acupuncture, preseed, diet or ovualtion tracking. I'm currently pregnant with 1 little one happily growing at my last scan.

viviennewestwould Sun 30-Dec-12 12:48:08

Npg1, you need to temp. Now! Go on Amazon and buy a basal body temperature thermometer. Then go on and join up. You are already going out of your mind - I don't think charting will send you over the edge.

Photographerlady, thanks for sharing and congratulations. I have no faith whatsoever in acupuncture but do believe in the power of drugs and lots of sex.

Rosie, thanks for sharing your chart. I can't believe you had sex 10 times over eleven days shock. Clearly, this is what got you pregnant -well done, old girl! thanks

viviennewestwould Sun 30-Dec-12 12:49:42

Hmmm...*Npg1*, it would seem I've just directly linked you to my own personal charts. Hey-ho! blush

Rosiechoice Sun 30-Dec-12 15:30:20

blush we were on 'a mission' shall we say! Although I did worry about missing the 1 day because it was so close to ovulation, since we got the good news we do wonder if maybe it was good that we missed that day so that DH's reserves could be 'replenished' well hmm who knows!

Meluv Sun 30-Dec-12 22:09:57

Elo lovelies viv am glad u got your bloods done am a bit up wall clinic does not open till 2nd an that is cd 12 for me I need a scan ASAP when it opens I've already started with my bed rocking even though its a tad early lol I want to do all I can this month x

viviennewestwould Mon 31-Dec-12 20:48:21

Happy New Year, lovelies! xxx

Meluv Tue 01-Jan-13 13:02:53

Same to you viv hope u enjoyed your Xmas & I hope this year is full of magical lovely happy times for you xxx what cd r u now Hun am all mixed up lol think am cd 11 today need a scan ASAP x

viviennewestwould Tue 01-Jan-13 16:07:02

Thank goodness you replied, Meluv, I thought all of you had drowned in a vat of mulled wine!

Thank you, yes, we enjoyed a very quiet Christmas (always quiet when you're a recovering alcoholic sad). Hope you had a great time?

I am 9DPO and have the usual very sore nipples (which I never had before I started taking Clomid). Rather annoying, actually. This is the first month on Clomid where I wasn't scanned so I'm waiting for day 21 results to confirm ovulation (although my charts say I have). I should get those tomorrow and I'll report back x

Meluv Wed 02-Jan-13 11:39:00

viv glad u had a nice Xmas Hun we had a quiet one too but very nice big hugs x ... Why r u not being scanned this month lovely ? I have everything crossed for you & will say a lil prayer am not the church goer u think but u do believe in saying a lil prayer babes smile ... Can u please help me luv I no I sound dumb but don't care cause your advise was bang on my last cycle I av just rang clinic for scan & we decided on fri cd 14 for me this is best as my long cycles & last scan was cd12 an never showed a lot .... help me hear my day 21 bloods showed no ov but my day 27 showed I did ov with a score of 32 which they say us fine anything above 30 is good now when do u think I shud start OPK an bed rocking what cd do u think I will ov with them blood results grrrrr hope u can help me V

viviennewestwould Wed 02-Jan-13 12:06:05

Meluv, try bed-rocking every other day from CD16 and when you get a positve OPK have sex that night and the following day. That should cover all bases xx

Meluv Wed 02-Jan-13 13:06:59

R thank u so much V av u had your results yet luv ? Y no scan this cycle for u ? X

viviennewestwould Wed 02-Jan-13 19:02:25

Simply because it was December and she basically admitted she couldn't be arsed near Christmas! Don't blame her, really. Because I'm charting my temps, Meluv, I already know whether or not I've ov'd. I get my results on Friday x

Meluv Thu 03-Jan-13 07:03:00

Well V I have everything crossed for u and I hope this is your month lovely both waiting for Friday for good news then ay u & your bloods & me an my scan xxx

npg1 Thu 03-Jan-13 10:47:32

Morning everyone. I hope someone has some advice! I brought some OPK's and did the first one earlier, cd11 as I wasnt sure when to start. The booklet said based on a 38 day cycle to start testing on cd21 but I thought what happens if I O early. Anyway, I had 2 lines on the stick, the test line im sure was slightly darker but I wasnt convinced. Last month I ovulated between cd 22-25 so surely I cant be O already. I think I may give up with the sticks as its just another thing to think about!

viviennewestwould Thu 03-Jan-13 12:57:19

Npg1, I've heard that, for women with PCOS, OPKs are useless as you will always get false positives? Something like that. I have advised you before to start charting your temperature. It's the only way you will know for sure when you've ovulated and you can watch your temps the following month and time your sex around previous charts.

Meluv, I just got my results over the phone after harassing them! 119.4!! How bloody fantastic is that?! AND, it is 11DPO for me and my temp has gone up!!

npg1 Thu 03-Jan-13 14:01:00

Thanks v, I have started charting today, 98.1 was my reading. I did another test and the line was lighter x

Annalou84 Fri 04-Jan-13 10:07:51

Happy new year everyone. Sorry I haven't contributed much. To keep you up to date my 3rd cycle of clomid wasn't successfully so I have my doctors app today for my referral. Not sure what to expect really. I'm gutted as I don't know how long the wait is for referral, I hate the thought of not being able to have anything to assist ovulation as clomid has helped on the last 2 cycles.

Anyway I wish you all well ok your clomid journey.

X x

Meluv Fri 04-Jan-13 11:44:46

Woo hooo V fan dabi dozy babes that's fantastic am so happy for u wow that's good very very good ... Npg I have long cycles an I ov cd 22 last month listen to Vs advise she is well educated in fertility & no so much she was bang in with my ov days last cycle ... Annalou please don't sit back an wait lovely get on the phone an ask what is happening don't wait for them to contact you keep midering them big hugs lovely ... Well am in clinic at the mo just been scanned waiting to speak to Furt nurse the lady who scanned me says there r a good few follies there an good size too in both ovaries woo hoo am I we the moon will let use no more later grin

viviennewestwould Fri 04-Jan-13 12:23:20

Meluv, that's bloody fantastic!! A FEW follies??!! You lucky girl. Get bed-rocking, love xx

Annalou, why aren't they letting you have six months of Clomid?

12 DPO here and temp still high! grin

Meluv Fri 04-Jan-13 12:30:09

OMG girls wtf is happening with me am clomid u will never believe this they no I don't ov till cd 20 to 22 it's took this long to get se follies there an now I've been advised not to get together because there r 3 big follies measuring 14 an 3 others all under 12 I have got to have another scan on Monday an If 3 r 16 & over I've got to leave bed rocking this cycle well hears my answer to the advise I've already started my bed rocking marathon and I am going to finish an hopefully in first place grin do use think an wrong girls ?

doobeedee Fri 04-Jan-13 14:39:00

Grr. Bloody message didn't save again! Meluv, if it were me I'd go for it. As for me, pos tests turned out to be another chemical as I thought. CD12 now. Don't know if/when I'll OV. Think HCG is out of my system now and CBFM on high. Wonder if the Clomid will have any effect as I only took 3 before advised to stop due to testing pos.

viviennewestwould Fri 04-Jan-13 17:12:44

Meluv, I can only tell you what I would do in your situation and that is bed-rock until the bed collapses. Seriously, love, they just don't want the financial burden of dealing with you if you have sextuplets.

Doobeedee, I'm sorry about another chemical. What an absolute shitter. I can't answer whether those three tablets would've worked, sorry. I hope they sort you out, love.

Meluv Fri 04-Jan-13 18:51:29

R V am I made up with the news luv I am beaming they said I can't bedrock incase of triplets that is there worry but that wud be my dream am carrying on my bedrock marathon no matter what they say luv I hope an pray dh lil swimmers wins the race and smashes there lil heads in to my egg grin doobeedee am sorry about your chem hunny big hugs an V I have all crossed dor u x

viviennewestwould Fri 04-Jan-13 21:28:59

Meluv, you are bloody hilarious. I'm hoping that my egg was gang-raped this month grin

Meluv Fri 04-Jan-13 22:23:46

Pmsl V what r we like luv I feel like me & u r the only oldies from when we started on hear were the hell as everyone gone luv ? Anyway have a fab weekend an I will let u no on Monday how my family of follies r getting on an see how much they have grown up big squeezes lovely xxx

mumalah Sat 05-Jan-13 21:59:58

Hi All ! I have been lurking but not posting, sorry too pissed off to post.
Congratulations Rosie !!!
Meluv Bloody fantastic ! Go for it !
Viv Good luck on your temps , fingers crossed for you!
I went for scan cd 11 last week cycle 3 of clomid (no ovulation yet ) , two good size but not mature enough for hcg shot, so had to go back for scan on cd16- no appointments available, nothing until cd18! I thought straight away , we gonna miss it ! So cd 18 my two follicles couldn't wait and bloody well pissed off, right before my hcg shot ! Where do my eggs go i ask ? They are there one minute, gone the next, but all three cycles say i haven't ovulated ! well annoyed, had positive opk on weds, and thurs ( dont usuallly register on opk s ( no idea why?)So now have to go for 21 day test on Monday which is way too soon. So next step is a Hysterosalpingogram, to see if my tubes are blocked if progesterone test comes back low(it was 1 last month, cant get much lower !) Normally i ring for my results, but was told we will contact you, this time, am i being fobbed off ? Having a well deserved pino gregio or two as i am soooo fed up! Thats-- two-- bottles-- not-- glasses--

mumalah Sat 05-Jan-13 22:01:23

Ha ha did that wrong ! Sorry!

mumalah Sat 05-Jan-13 22:04:33

Ha ha did that wrong ! Sorry!

Meluv Sun 06-Jan-13 15:30:37

Mumalah if u don't mind me saying I think the shud of checked your chubes and done all the investigations before handing u the clomid that's so back to frount what they have done ... Am sorry clid not worked out to well for u and I hope they help you out an make your dreams come true lovely big hugs .... As for me I have gone for it well an truly and am not about to stop untill cd 25 then I've covered all nowt more I can do then will let use now how big my family of follies have grown tomorrow x

mumalah Sun 06-Jan-13 16:43:21

Hi Meluv , yes I thought they would have suggested checking tubes first, but obviously dishing out clomid is the cheaper option for NHS! Im a bit worried about HSG though, but I will try anything. I cant belive how many follicles you have!, its so exciting ! I'd like to know where mine bloody go, if im not ovulating ! I'm off for a spa day with my mum tomorrow so I will go for 21 test on Tuesday, that gives me an a extra day so it will be 6dpo if i did ovulate (that would be a miracle!)according to opk positive tests. Not really looking forward to tomorrow, my mum wanted to go and persuaded me, then said it was my christmas present. She doesn't know we are ttc so got to focus on other topics of conversation (not easy when ttc is always on my mind!) oh well maybe some relaxation will do me good !

Meluv Sun 06-Jan-13 17:42:58

Am sure u will enjoy a pamper day Hun ttc is the hardest journey ever I already have 1ds age 9 so when you've got to bed rock at important times its so hard trying to do the deed an not get caught lol lol I hope u have ov Hun that wud be great news my day 21 bloods never show because ov later on with having longer cycles so they so mine cd 27 an they show I have ov maybe u can ask for later bloods Hun ? I can't believe I have a family of follies grin but in tomorrow's scan if 3 r 16 or more in size they said I will have to leave this cycle out an half my 50mg next cycle when I ask y they said because of the chance of multiples well people may not agree with me but I've gone against there advise an bed rocked away an will continue to do so they prob wont do my 27 bloods if they cancel this cycle tomorrow I will just have to find out if I get my period or a BFP grin ... I can't afford another cycle of clomid anyhow that's another reason am giving it my all good luck lovely an enjoy your pamper day x

Meluv Mon 07-Jan-13 13:05:54

Elo girls well had my scan an all big follies have gone so it looks like I have ovulated over the weekend they said I have been bed rocking so fingers crossed that one lil swimmer has win the race am going to have another go tonight just to make sure grin ... Quick question I had quite a bit if pain low down in both sides yesterday evening & into the night do u think they cud of been ovulation pains .... I realy hope so x

LittleFilly Mon 07-Jan-13 19:31:17

Hello ladies,

Sorry for such a long silence (and for being massively out of the loop - just spent the last 20 mins reading through your posts to try and catch up). Took a month off the chlomid, CBFM, mumsnet and googling symptoms over Christmas to save my sanity.

Has been good to catch up with all your news (for good and for bad). Rosie - so delighted for you - you must be over-the-moon. You've given us all a little bit of hope and something to smile about. smile

Also, had some good news from a friend who had been trying for two years. She had IVF with her husband and they got lucky. So it feels like it could happen for any of us.

Npg - was sorry to hear about your AF. I totally get how crushing it is. Each month I promise myself that I won't get my hopes up, but each month I can't help but wonder. And then massive disappointment on the inevitable bathroom visit that delivers the bad news.

Hopefully - sending you a big fat HUG and hoping you're doing a little better thanks.

So the latest from me is that it's CD29 today and think AF arriving. Cramps and some very light spotting. At least on the bright side can look forward to a large drink on my birthday next weekend wine. Starting cycle 3 of chloride this month. Am not holding out huge amounts of hope that it'll work. But am starting to feel more philosophical overall, by looking ahead to the avenues we haven't explored (acupunture, IUI and beyond), and even trying to appreciate the benefits of being married without kids (date nights, holidays on a whim etc). I know this may sound flippant, but starting to wonder what lengths we'll actually be prepared to go to to have children. Feel lucky that I have such a strong relationship with my husband. Maybe we'll find other ways to give, if we can't have a family.

Anyway, the long and short is that I wanted to wish everyone a healthy and happy 2013, wherever the journey takes us. Welcome to the new girls, and thanks to you all for being such an invaluable support.

LF xxx

LittleFilly Mon 07-Jan-13 19:33:10

p.s. apologies if I've missed important news from anyone along the way.x

Meluv Tue 08-Jan-13 08:16:21

LIttlefilly sorry to hear af arriving this ttc journey is so dam hard an emotional luv .... Question y have I ov so early this month it makes since when they say I have because my egg white was there an I had pains low down in abdomen at the side which I think may of been ov pains the mor I have sat an thought about it the more it's baffled me an sum if them dam nurses r thick they don't have a clue grrrr it's so frustrating .... I got quite irate there am said I have paid £370 for 2 months of nothing now an am not happy so she said they will give me another couple if months back .... Suppose I will av to wait for blood results an see then

viviennewestwould Tue 08-Jan-13 14:37:06

Meluv, calm down! It certainly looks as though you ovulated - what cycle day are you on now?

Hello again, Little Filly and Mumalah.

Well, my period turned up late last night at 15DPO!! Not impressed. This Clomid has delayed ovulation for two days every month and is now lengthening my luteal phase, too. Totally unnecessary and downright annoying. Anyway, I have now set up my brand-new CBFM and have decided not to take the Clomid for this fourth cycle. There are several reasons for this: I am very curious to see what my day 21 progesterone score will be without the help of Clomid. This will be useful, information, I feel, when I start the IUI soon. Also, I wanted the CBFM to have a fair shot at deciphering my hormones without being skewed by the Clomid. I also feel maybe a month off this drug is not a bad thing despite my getting older

TillyTommyTootToot Tue 08-Jan-13 16:47:53

Hi ladies I am hoping that you could help me, I started clomid 100mg this cycle as I have pcos. I got my day 21 prog results today and it was 28.8 (before clomid it was 5.1) so it is most definitely an improvement though still not over the magic 30.
My question is....I think I actually ovulated on cd18 which is slightly later obviously than between cd14-16 so do you think the day 21 gave a true indication of my prog? Also should I take it that at 28.8 its pretty likely that I'm not preggo! smile TIA