Fireworks, bonfires and long winters' eves will herald the Rat Smacketeers' BFPs this month and we are Brooking No Argument!

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Shrieklette Sat 27-Oct-12 11:32:53

<Covers up with a warm winter cloak, stokes the fire and pours large mugs of hot chocolate with little marshmallows for all>

Welcome to our new humble abode for the next six weeks or so, Brookers!

Here's hoping this fred will be as lucky as sparks' and scarlett's grin

Boo!

<marks place>

<leaves jack o lantern>

PrincessPumpkinshoutsBOO Sat 27-Oct-12 13:07:19

Oh it is fabulous here smile thank you Shriek

<settles in and leaves pumpkin soup>

Marking my places ladies, brooking for a super successful Fred!!! Oh and loving the name!!!

Lovely new thread Shriek. Am out shopping but will bob back later as I have some exciting news (not a BFP I'm afraid grin)

Am loving this shriek

Exciting news Cup? I canny wait.

<stokes up the log burner and waits patiently>

Hi the news is I think we have been accepted for IVF. I received a letter this morning from my pct saying my referral (it doesn't say what the referral was for) has been processed and i need to make an appointment at the infertility clinic at St Mary's in Manchester. That is all the information I have so I'm being cautiously optimistic. BUT there is no other reason for them to see us as it is not my local hospital & I would only expect to go there for IVF. I'm trying not to get too excited.

PrincessPumpkinshoutsBOO Sat 27-Oct-12 16:20:04

OOH Cups that does sound promising!! smile

Shriek you have made a very good thread here, look what has happened and this is just day 1 grin

Ooooooooh cup that sounds so promising smile

Thanks smile I'm brooking no argument that it is a referral for IVF. Anyway I won't need it as I'll be getting my ironic BFP before my appointment wink

How are you doing today Solars?

ScarlettInSpace Sat 27-Oct-12 17:49:24

<pops an orange Halloween style house plant in the corner>

Shrieklette Sat 27-Oct-12 18:50:11

Ooh cups exciting days ahead! I can't think what else it could mean, so brooking for you x

Solars Sun 28-Oct-12 08:13:53

This place looks very cosy Shriek

Cups that definitely sounds like your ivf referral! Hoping it sparks into action the ironic BFP! wink I'm surprisinglydoing ok thanks, just want AF to hurry up and arrive so it officially marks the end of this cycle. I'm looking forward to just kicking back and relaxing over the next few months as we decide our next steps.

Sorry about bfn too Beedle hope you're ok and enjoying parents being over.

Sweetie we have a week off next week, which I'm really looking forward to! Glad that AF has arrived for you. Is your appointment at the clinic imminent? How are you feeling about everything now?

Got to dash, but will be back soon...

JenFrankenstein Sun 28-Oct-12 10:39:28

My birthday will happen in this thread so I've decided that a whole raft of BFPs is what I want as a present

Mine too and I'd like the same. But no scrimping - I want my own bundle of BFPs. I'm not sharing with Jen grin

JenFrankenstein Sun 28-Oct-12 11:15:13

12 days to go for mine so is anyone just starting the 2ww?

It's not my birthday but I'd like a bunch of BFPs too, just because smile

<counts on fingers>

Only 10 until mine so bagsy the first crop grin

keepitgoing Sun 28-Oct-12 15:29:38

Hi all!! Have been v busy entertaining mummykeep... having a fab time and kkeping my mind off tww a bit af due Friday I think sore boobies, and a bit solid too. Remind me, girls, what is the Law of Boobs?

beedle still hoping for a double whammy week, you just tested too early, with a did pee stick!

solars you rock

cup!!! Brill news on the pointless ivf referral, but good to get it as a back up, I guess... wink

Sorry for quick post, will do more tomorrow at work

Altogether now:
Time for a

What do we want?
positive pee sticks!

When do we want them?
NOW!!!!

keepitgoing Sun 28-Oct-12 15:30:34

Urgh, I have imp-itis.
<waves to imps>

keeps law of boob says,
Sore boobs = diffed!!!!

grin

Fwiw mine felt heavy just before my BFP and then very quickly went stupidly sore!!! smile

keepitgoing Mon 29-Oct-12 04:42:55

morning all! hope you've enjoyed your extra hour in bed over the weekend. geek, glad you're still thread-starting despite supposedly being a lurker. We miss you! I'm going to pass on the hot chocolate today, though, as yesterday was 37 degrees!

Thanks sparks, unfortunately I do get sore boobies some months, so am not partic hopeful. Just looking forward to starting treatment in a month or so really! I'm brooking no argument that IUI will be the answer for us.

solars, will you get any more chances on the NHS?

sweetie hope you're ok too, and looking forward to your appointment, which i think is this week.

Am having lots of fun, though do get nervous when i'm at work and mummykeep is going round the city on her own. She seems fine though.

beedle what news your end af-wise? how long are your parents with you, and are you taking time off work? You've been having lots of blood tests, haven't you? Have they shown ov to be ok? Has mrb JIAnotherP yet?

sore boos=diffed
not sore boobs=diffed
AF=diffed
no AF=diffed
two lines = diffed
one line=diffed

just FIND THE RIGHT PEE STICK! And BROOK NO ARGUMENT!!

Keep 37 degrees envy I was freezing this morning!!!

keepitgoing Mon 29-Oct-12 08:35:55

hmmm, it's a little too hot... Don't worry, sparks, by the time winter's there good and proper you'll be pregnant enough to be warm all the time!

Solars Mon 29-Oct-12 08:41:27

I was having night sweats last night so I definitely woke up to 37 degrees until I stepped out of bed sad Brrrr!

Keep we only got the one shot of NHS ivf, we now have to fund ourselves! Sounds like mummyKeep is keeping you busy & distracted! When are you confirming the obvious?

I've been having horrendous cramps since last night and AF arrived in full force this morning so I am feeling happy to move on although this feels like the mother of all AF's

Keep I told my mum yesterday, and then explained that I was going through a bit of a hot flush/cold chill phase, there was a suggestion that maybe it wasnt pregnancy it was in fact menopause hmm

Solars I'm glad AF has kept you waiting round for too long. When will you decide what to do next?

Solars Mon 29-Oct-12 09:51:50

Was mummySparkes at least excited Sparkes? I think we'll decide once we've had our review with the clinic in a couple of weeks. We need to decide whether we stay with that clinic or go to another? If we should do anything about the cyst? If there are any other tests we should do? In the meantime DH is very keen to try naturally but I just feel I need a couple of months not trying full stop.

I'm holding down AF with me for as long as possible girls, so she's not coming anywhere near you all!

Solars so many decisions to make!! I guess a couple of weeks with no pressure would do you the world of good too.

mummysparks was over the moon excited for us, she cried and cried and cried!! She has known what we've been going through for a while so for us to turn round and tell her that we dont have to go for any more test etc was just absolute relief for her. She had trouble conceiving, so she knows what its like.

Solars Mon 29-Oct-12 10:09:39

That is so lovely Sparkes I'm so excited for you!

Aww Sparks that is so nice. I often daydream about telling family and close friends that we are finally pregnant as well as daydreaming about decorating the nursery, having a bump, buying all the baby stuff I'm not crazy honest grin

Solars it's good that AF is here & you can close the door on this cycle. I get what your saying about not trying for a bit. I know I must be close to the middle of my cycle & we did have SFF a few days ago. Last night I thought we probably should DTD if we want a chance this month. Then I thought I can't be bothered & went to sleep instead smile
I think it's awful that you only get 1 nhs cycle. I passionately believe that this should be available on the NHS. I understand that they have to draw the line somewhere but they should at least fund the 3 cycles that NICE recommend

Keep I'm so jealous of 37 degrees! Tbh I do love winter, I love wrapping up and I absolutely love Christmas. However I think I'm feeling the effect of not having a real holiday abroad this year. Sounds like you and mummykeep are having a fab time.
PS the law of boob says you are diffed!

Beedle hope you are having a lovely time with your parents. How long are they visiting for? I'm brooking that you & Keep will deliver BFP presents for the graduates.

Imps hope you are well. Come back to us, I'm missing imps fingers!

Maybe we went to see the bond film last night & was randomly thinking of you. Am I right in thinking MrMaybe works for the underground? There was a lot of scenes on the tube.

I've rung & made my appointment at St Mary's, the first available is 17th December. I've also spoken to my GP's secretary, she says they have not received any info that the referral has been accepted yet. DH and I have decided to view it as a second opinion & nothing else as we don't want to get our hopes up.

Hello to Shriek, Sweetie, Boo, Face and Scarlett

Hello all, lovely new thread. I smell lots of BFPs coming soon!

Solars so sorry nasty AF has arrived, but I'm glad you see it as an opportunity to move on and have a couple of months time out. I think that's a great idea - TTC gets really draining in the long term.

Cups great news re your referral your second opinion appointment! Good idea not to get your hopes too high, but either way, you are in the system now and things are going to get moving and I'll brook no argument.

Keep I am still excited to hear your news in a few days. The law of boobs is never wrong.

Hello to everyone else - hope you are still brooking away.

TrickorTreatSweetie Mon 29-Oct-12 19:57:19

Sorry I have missed all the new thread action, been struck down with the dreaded lurgie sickness & squits just to add insult to injury the worst AF decended too on CD36, don't know how you ladies with long cycles cope. I seem to be getting a bit better and managed some real food this evening. Am shattered though as no one has told the pup that the clocks have changed so she was crying to go out at 5.45 this morning, gggrrrrrrrr.

Solars you just take it easy and take your time deciding what to do next. Give yourself some space to think and decide what you really want. Are you going anywhere nice on your week off?

Cup that appointment sounds like great news, even if it is just for a consultation at least things moving in the right direction. Do you have a file? You must get a file it is the law to keep everything together and start making notes and questions. My mind went completely blank at our first appointment. Am well jel of you going to the new Bond movie too, I am dying to see it too - so is it good?

Keep if Imps were here she would be telling you the Law of Boob never lies and is always right. Good to here the mummykeep is keeping you nice and busy.

Sparks what did mummysparks have to say about the news?

We have our failed cycle review on Wednesday with the consultant in theory anyway I am not really expecting much to be honest. We intend getting a second opinion at another clinic regardless, but not until the new year. I think it was Scarlett that said it is nice just to be enjoying ourselves and not thinking every waking minute about TTC, what cycle day we are on and if we should be SWIing or not.

<waves to all PSEPP and grads popping in>

keepitgoing Tue 30-Oct-12 02:30:50

sparks that is so lovely you telling your mum. I had the opposite the other day - my mum also had trouble conceiving, and i think this is bringing it all back for her, so she was crying the other day, which was a bit hard for me. But at the same time i do love that she actually understands what we're going through.

well, i think the law of boob is just a bit early. I mean, obviously i am pg, as we all are, but i've started spotting this morning bang on cue for me (AF due thrus/fri). So i think my pregnancy might have got a bif longer. <sigh> One more natural month before IUI. And of course i'll have af when we go off travelling this weekend. grrr.

sweetie good luck for your review yesterday. i hope you get some answers that will be helpful for your decision-making going forward.

cup yay for getting the appointment in before christmas. plus that gives you time for your ironic bfp.

BeedleTheBard Tue 30-Oct-12 19:31:02

biscuits & Jen sorry you won't be getting a birthday BFP from me. AF arrived on Sun giving me a rather shocking 22 day cycle this month.

keep sorry that AF seems to be making an appearance with you too, but have a lovely weekend with your mum. I finally told my mum we're having tests which should stop the helpful hints like "I read in the paper you should be having sex 3 times a week if you want to get pregnant" (if only we'd thought about that hmm )

cup we went to see Bond at the weekend too, did you enjoy it? DP kept trying to cover my eyes whenever Daniel Craig was semi-naked grin

sweetie sorry that AF is making herself unwelcome, hope the appointment is some use tomorrow.

Waves to all the lurkers

keepitgoing Wed 31-Oct-12 03:39:36

beedle that's a short cycle, what's normal for you? Is your LP ok? Mine was shorter than normal too this month, 27 days. Previous shortest 28, and average 30. Our bodies just keep us guessing, don't they. How was your mum? I really think it is helpful to be honest. We are going to have some issues if/when we get to next Feb/March, as DH's mum is coming out to stay, and he doesn't really want to tell her all about it. So I'm not sure how we can arrange her visit around the uncertainties of treatment. So am brooking that we won't have to due to imminent BFP.

I'm so tired of it all. So blooming TIRED. I would love not to think about it for several months, really, but I can't bring myself to take time off for fear it could be 'the month'. And i couldn't not think about it unless using contraception, so think i'm stuck.

I hate having to tell DH the bad news. Hate it.

Beedle thats a very very short cycle, is it defs AF? Just a thought?

Keep How are you faring? brooking that AF is staying away permenantly!!!!

keepitgoing Wed 31-Oct-12 08:19:17

thanks, sparks, but she's found me. sad

true enough, beedle, and enexpectedly early?? BROOKING for you. Where are you with tests etc.?

Beedle and Keep am so sorry that AF caught up with you both. Beedle how long is your cycle normally? I tend to have a few random short & long cycles every few months which gives me something else to obsess over. Well done on telling your mum. I told mine quite early on when we naively thought it would happen easily. We have only just recently told DMIL as we could not take anymore comments/speculation.

I find it so emotionally draining telling anyone what we are going through. A temporary colleague yesterday asked me in front of everyone if I didn't want children. I nearly started crying and excused myself without answering. I wish people would mind their own business.

Keep I'm sorry you are feeling so low about it all at the moment. I truly understand your frustration. This is such a difficult journey, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I also really hate telling my DH, I know it's stupid but I feel like I'm somehow responsible every time I get AF. It's near impossible to forget about ttc I know. I'm feeling more relaxed about it lately. I think that's because I have lost hope that it will happen naturally. Now I feel I've no chance of a BFP until we start IVF. I'm not recommending this approach as it sounds so gloomy smile however maybe it would help to consider next month as the last month you will have to wait before getting the treatment you need for your BFP?

I'm thinking of you both & brooking for ironic BFPs for all us brookers.

Sweetie hope your cycle review goes ok & that you get some good guidance on where to go from here. I do not have a file yet am so disorganised but I will get one together before our appointment in December.

Biscuits Bond was great, I love a good action flick. I haven't been to the cinema in ages so it was nice to do something different.

TrickorTreatSweetie Wed 31-Oct-12 10:21:17

Cup glad you are getting your file sorted wink mine is now bursting at the seams I have that much stuff in it.

Beedle that seems a remarkably short cycle, did you mention this at your consultation? Hope it helps sharing with your DM, it is hard but I think it helps if people close know although my DM questions more now than she did before thinking she is helping

Keep chin up my dear, it is tough this ttc lark, but remember there is your rat out there just waiting to get smacked. Telling DH is difficult, I don't even bother anymore I just leave the box of tampax on the side in the bathroom and he knows not to ask, I know your DH is away so not able to see the hints from that far away.

I was questioned repeatedly on my first outing with my girlfriends following our IVF cycle as to when we were going to have kids. This wasn't by my close friends, more acquaintances, to the point I broke down in tears and the whole sorry tale came out leaving everyone feeling really bad including me. They weren't to know the timing was so bad, and because they knew I was now married and the natural progression is kids. But it is so unbelievably rude to ask those sort of questions, although I am sure I have been guilty of the same in my pre ttc days.

I was pop back after our appointment to let you all know what was said. Please don't be holding your breath as I am sure it will be underwhelming.

Onwards and upward Brookers

BeedleTheBard Wed 31-Oct-12 11:43:08

I think I Ov'd quite early last month CD9 so I wasn't really surprised at the 22 day cycle, but I usually manage 24/25 days. And it was actually slightly heavier than usual so it was definately AF not implantation bleeding!

sweetie I also often don't bother to tell DP that AF is here, I think he gets more upset about it than I do - probably because it comes as a shock as he doesn't think about ttc everyday.

cups My mum knew were trying as I also naively announced it when we started, but now she knows we're having tests it should hopefully stop the "helpful" hints.

keep I'm waiting for DP to JIAJ again, hopefully in a few weeks time, then we'll have another appointment with the Dr to get all the results, and then presumably start/wait for IVF. I'm not sure what teh waiting time is like here. For those of you that have got that far when did you tell work about it?

PrincessPumpkinshoutsBOO Wed 31-Oct-12 12:53:34

Happy Halloween ladies smile

I am so sorry AF has got so many of you, but that is it now, she is done for 2012, I will not tolerate her visiting any of you again. I brook no argument for you!!!!

Now, get your files in order, and don't ever feel bad about your unwelcome visitor, it is not your fault, it's hers!!

I have more good news, Mr boo has a job grin he starts in 2 weeks smile finally getting him out of the house

Shrieklette Wed 31-Oct-12 18:56:37

<takes a seat in full witches' regalia, spider webs over all mirrors and pumpkins at every turn - but not a sweet or balloon in the house, they have all been snaffled despit the atrocious weather>

Happy Samhain ladies, or Hallowe'en if you prefer <cackles>

Damn AF beedle and sweetie and all other she has got. She is evil, evil I tell you, but boo has her under wraps and she will not be let out again.

beedle I am so jealous of your 22 day cycle. I'm approaching that now and have no hope of ovulating in the next 14 days.

boo <huge hugs> that is amazing news about MrBoo, I am so so so pleased for you, that is brilliant news. I am sure you will be glad to have the hosue back to yourself again xx

sparks how are you feeling now lovely, hope the sickness is just strong enough to be reassuring. We must have another coffee soon preferably without me running the wrath of b'ham ticket collectors, not having been able to buy my ticket in advance

Happy birthday to the forthcoming birthday girls, wishing you a brook-load of BFPs (sadly not mine as it will be far too soon to confirm...)

How is everyone else's Hallowe'en going?

Shrieklette Wed 31-Oct-12 19:33:19

<pretends she isn't really dropping in on a spider's thread, and will be gone in flash>

PrincessPumpkinshoutsBOO Wed 31-Oct-12 21:41:00

There is news from Far over on the other thread smile

keepitgoing Thu 01-Nov-12 02:37:44

great news for far! What a brooker.

come on, geek's ovaries. Pop an egg out, will you? geek, how about synching up with me or beedle on this next cycle, though you've already been on it a while let's all ovulate in 12 days time and get a triple whammy. Deal?

boo congrats on mrboo's job - great timing what with the little one coming and all. hope you're feeling well now you're a bit further along in pg.

cup i just wanted to say thank you for your post thanks it really did help. I thought i was feeling better and just waiting for treatment, but then AF came and i wobbled. I suppose as IUI doesn't have all that great a success rate i'm trying not to get my hopes up, but at the same time we feel it's worth a try for 3-4 months.

sweetie so sorry to hear of your night out with the girls. I wish people could be more considerate. of course, they didn't know, but i agree with you that it's rude either way - you're likely either trying, or you're not trying and may not want children. and from acquaintances too?!

beedle i told a few people in the early days too, thinking it wouldn't take long stupid Kind of wish i hadn't now, but at the same time i'm quite an honest person and i do want issues with conceiving to be more talked about. so though i don't want to talk about the details to most people, i'm happy that my good friends will have figured out that there's an issue, and will be sensitive. Good luck with your upcoming tests. btw i think you're right about men not thinking about ttc every day, though i don't know how they can not. for me it's either AF, wondering about whether i'm oving, or thinking about symptoms and whether i can consider testing yet (i never do as never get past my standard LP...)

i'm much better today, thank you for all your support and my brooking towel is now no longer on the floor but waving freely.

BeedleTheBard Thu 01-Nov-12 05:32:47

shriek sorry about the long cycles, it does seem a bit rude that my body will have popped out another egg before you've managed one. Not that having more chances to get pregnant has done me any good of course hmm

keep yes, you, me and geek will all be diffed this month, and I'll brook no argument grin

boo well done mrboo, it must be such a relief for you both

I'm guessing that far has had her baby, yippeee (will now pop over to the other thread to check! )

shriek gah @ your long cycle!! I remember our convo the last time we met up, I think I was moaning about 35 dayer and you were miffed because yours was like a billion days longer than that!!! I know yiu've probably tried everything but do you take agnus castus? I started taking that any my cycles dropped right down!!!!

I still feel gross, it's not abated at all, I'm lucky if I get through the day at the moment with only 3 or 4 vomming sessions!!! And I can only eat a bowl of food at a time!!! But if I don't eat when I'm hungry then I get all faint and pathetic!!!

keepitgoing Thu 01-Nov-12 07:52:53

sparks sorry that you're feeling rubbish. Though i guess it's feeling rubbish for a good reason so that must make it easier. (or maybe that's just naive. I read something about people who've got pg with difficulty or through IVF are more prone to depression in pg and after, because they feel guilty for not feeling grateful the whole time, and feeling crappy) Hope mrsparks is taking good care of you - he's a good 'un, so i expect he is doing a good job.

thanks keep absolutely knowing why I'm feeling so rubbish certainly does help. but then sometimes I have a "grrr I hate it" moment and then the guilty does envitably come!! But Im trying not to moan about it... much!! mrsparks is an absolute star, whenever he hears my being sick he comes in to check on, and he is doing all the house work and stuff cus I have zero energy especially once I have been to work!!

cartoonface Thu 01-Nov-12 12:34:26

Hi all
did u miss me, not sure how long ive been gone, feels ages! must be cos u've moved house!
sparks have i missed something?
keep how are u? dp's gone now right?
good news on the job front boo
am a very bad lazy brooker and have only skimmed through hope ive not missed anything too important.
id been feeling miserable and not in the brooking spirit as well as busying myself with wedding stuff so i figured id stay away for a bit. dont think ive lasted long haha

Face of course we've missed you smile

You've not missed anything from me, unless of course you have been away for over 3 weeks, in which case I'm nearly 7 weeks diffed grin

How are the wedding plans coming along?

cartoonface Thu 01-Nov-12 12:54:42

has it really been that long must be cos yes i had missed that!
remeber ur comment bout how ud all be too busy being pregnant for my hen party, u mustve known subconciously! WONDERFUL NEWS

Its going well, ive been stress about getting all the rspvs back. had to nag some people abit. i cant remeber if i said but we went for purple in the end for the brides mades etc and im hoping to have anemonies but my florist isnt sure they'll quite be in season. Weve been busy with stamps, glitter glue and stick on gems making personalised wish tags for our wishing tree. Hobby craft is my new favourite place.

<waves at face>

Hello smile

What's a wishing tree?

I bet things have moved on since I got married 100 7 years ago smile

cartoonface Thu 01-Nov-12 13:40:28

i think is a dutch tradition really but it getting popular here now.
its a tree. then u have like luggage tag things for ur guests to write there wishes for u on then they hang it on the tree. im having that rather than a guest book

cartoonface Thu 01-Nov-12 13:46:38

www.hastings-crystal.co.uk/white-wishing-tree-p-25343.html
this is my one but i got it minus the crystals cos im gunna do something a bit different on mine not sure what yet though!

That's a lovely idea Face :-)

I guess you can get folks to do it while they're say down too if you leave the tags on the tables with pens? Otherwise people forget to go to a guest book sometimes.

So when are you getting married? No doubt I should recall this but I can't blush

cartoonface Thu 01-Nov-12 14:01:59

its ok i changed the date brought it closer so its the 22nd december now, originally it was may next year

Oooooh how lovely and exciting! Handy too since you'll be 7 months pregnant by May grin

Is it all lovely and sparkly and Christmassy?

Not that there is anything wrong with getting married and being 7 months pregnant but it is very tiring and you might need to rest while walking up and down the aisle which can be slightly distracting grin

cartoonface Thu 01-Nov-12 14:11:56

exactly why i moved it tea
Yes it will be all sparkly and christmassy! not too traditional xmas as my colours are purple and silver but definatly be an xmas feel to it. the venue will decorate there tree according to my colour scheme. im crossing my fingers for a little bit of snow too!

Awesome! I'll make sure I've done all my Christmas shopping then before 22nd so it can snow and I won't be left without my turkey grin

Princessishavingababyboo Thu 01-Nov-12 17:13:35

<runs in, hugs Face> You've been gone ages woman, hope you are feeling more brookering these days. The wedding sounds Fabulous!!! I love the tree idea smile

Got to dash, brooking for all, catch up soon.

Solars Thu 01-Nov-12 17:30:10

Just ducking in to catch up and just seen Far's news, will be right back!

cartoonface Thu 01-Nov-12 18:21:19

Sorry boo won't do it again.
At times I've felt a bit of a fraud being here and thought maybe ill just come back in Jan! And also had just been abit down about this again and knew I wouldn't have anything nice to say. Found out one of my cousins is preg again and also a friend is too. We're not relly close friends though AMD did sort of think to myself Yeh well we shall see, I thought that too. So not very nice really its probably really mostly a case of the green eyed monster.

Princessishavingababyboo Thu 01-Nov-12 18:39:52

Well don't do it again wink It is so hard when you hear other people's news and of course you have a little green eyed thing going on, all the more reason to come and let us brook for you if you are finding it hard to brook, but you can't possibly leave us till January, we need wedding news.

cartoonface Thu 01-Nov-12 20:39:29

Ah thanks boo how is bump? Sorry I'm not sure what name uve given bump.

Princessishavingababyboo Thu 01-Nov-12 20:44:43

Some of the others ..... and you know who you are ladies ....... have called it booby <tut> I prefer baby boo or boonybaby grin it is doing well thanks Face just coming up to 14 weeks and I'm already the size of a small house smile

What purple have you chosen? Light, cadburys, plum??????

cartoonface Thu 01-Nov-12 20:50:32

Cadbury!
Hehe booby! Haha <cough> um no boonybaby is much better

Princessishavingababyboo Thu 01-Nov-12 21:02:03

Ooh lovely colour, you know we will be expecting many many pictures smile and yes, I think boonybaby is far better too but booby has probably stuck now

cartoonface Thu 01-Nov-12 21:25:07

dont worry there will be ill even figure out how to put some on here for anyone thats not on our fb group.

Solars Thu 01-Nov-12 22:32:29

Face not long to go now, how exciting! You'll be married with baby on the way before you know it!

Boo well done on MrBoo getting a job!

Sweetie how did the review go? I hope they were helpful. Do you have a plan in place now or is it still formulating? We have a week off to the lakes next week which I'm really looking forward to!

Shriek have you heard about when your surgery may be? Hope you're ok

Hugs to Keep, Beedle, Cups & Maybe hope you're all ok too x

Sorry I've not been around much, lots of work on at the moment after slacking relaxing the last few weeks trying to get this ivf to work. We will all get there and I am Brooking.No.Argument!

<waters plant with vodka, wine, gin (delete as appropriate)> hope one of those is your tipple Scarlett

BeedleTheBard Fri 02-Nov-12 05:39:31

face lovely to see you, the wedding plans sound fab. I'm booking for a sunny day with just a dusting of snow on the ground, if you have to much we your guests won't be able to get there.

boo have you told the other grads booby's name, I hope we don't have to come over to that thread and tell on you grin

solars you're sounding well, have a lovely holiday next week

Nothing really interesting happening in beedleland, we only have to work a half day today so we're planning an afternoon watching movies - the weather is lucky here. And I'm hoping to get shag week started grin

Waves to all

Beedle I dont think you can book that sort of thing grin

Face We had a winter wedding, post christmas though, we had a light dusting of frost in the morning. but by the time the ceremony had finished we had lovely sunshine, it was cold as hell but we were just glad it wasnt raining!! In fact we had dryer weather than my brother did at his July wedding!!!

Are you going to have christmas crackers as favours?

I'd totes be pushing the christmas theme!! ooooooh and have you thought of table decorations, cus I'd be tempted to ditch the flowers and go for tall vases with baubles filling them.... I wish I was a wedding planner!!!

BeedleTheBard Fri 02-Nov-12 09:48:38

Darn I meant Brooking for a sunny day grin stupid autocorrect

How are you feeling today sparks ?

Princessishavingababyboo Fri 02-Nov-12 09:58:57

Oh Beedle I would have, I really would, but they are all so busy sneezing out their little Brooking babies I didn't like to bother them with it. I will do, I promise fingers crossed behind back so don't you worry about it grin

cartoonface Fri 02-Nov-12 11:31:52

that would be perfect beedle really i just will be happy if it doesnt rain!
sparks we are hoping to make personalised baubles for favours. dp's mum has made a prototype which i love.
im hoping to have lots of twinkly lights and candles. even wondered about a candlelit ceremony. we're getting married at 3pm but i think it will still be fairly light outside. although the wedding co-ordinator said there curtains are black out ones so we could just shut them haha im not sure though.

Face do it, we had an almost candlelit ceremony, the venue had shutters over the windows and it was quite a dark room with columns (sp?) so we had false ivy with fairy lights up each column, and they different candles down eith side of the room, so we had lots of tea lights and some taller candles (check out ikeas reversible candle holders) then we had a few floor standing candleabra things dotted around. The photos are stunning (even if I say so myself) and it looked sooooo romantic. Love the idea of personalised baubles, thats a fabulous idea would still put christmas crackers on the table

Beeble Im actually heaps and tons better today, but for fear of being told off for not telling the sneeze birth thread I shall come over and give you a full account smile I told my in laws yesterday too smile

much brooking for all of you.

Beedle of course I mean beedle, not beeble

GreenOlives Sat 03-Nov-12 17:32:36

Post holiday place marking on new Fred! Will read back tomorrow and find out all your news, lots of no brooking vibes to all! X

JenFawkes Sat 03-Nov-12 18:10:42

Face I got married in a castle, the only lighting was windows and candles. The windows didn't really let much light in so it was an almost totally candlelit ceremony.

cartoonface Sun 04-Nov-12 11:46:24

Wow a castle! [Envy] I can just imagine it, I bet it was beautiful

jen love old buildings especially for weddings, we got married in a converted abbey smile

Hello Face lovely to hear from you. The wedding plans sound awesome. I have never been to a proper winter wedding. I think October is the latest I've been to wedding but I love all the ideas of candlelight etc.,. Winter is my favourite time of year. I can't wait to see the pictures.

Sorry I've been AWOL, have had a long run of shifts at work. I'm up to day 6 of 8. Can't wait for a day off on Wednesday.

I've had my appointment for the second opinion IVF cancelled sad I got a letter saying they will send me a questionnaire to complete first.

Brooking for all my brooking friends Sweetie, Solars, Keep, Scarlett, Boo, Sparkle and Beedle

Sorry if I've forgotten anyone, I'm falling asleep!

I forgot to say yay to MrBoo and his new job. Fab news grin

keepitgoing Mon 05-Nov-12 06:05:27

oh NO cup that is so ANNOYING!!! grrr. I hate it when they give you differing messages. Brooking that you'll get the questionnaire soon, but brooking even harder that you won't need it as you'll find your pee stick before it even arrives. That's a long run of shifts - hope you have a nice long time off after. i've never done shift work but DH does and I do quite like the thought of working really hard and then having a long time off, but i'm sure it must be tough!

face! lovely to hear from you, and i hope we get to see some of the pictures. We got married outside, in the ruins of an old abbey. It was so romantic. I've never been to a winter wedding either, but my parents had one and i always loved the photos. We look forward to having you back ttc, and getting your bfp to start off the new year nicely.

beedle you must be egg-popping soon, so hope you're off smacking that rat. My body is behaving nicely at the moment and i should ovulate next week at some point when seeing DH. Then the following month which is IUI i should be IUI'd before we head off to the beach for christmas. If only it would behave well in all areas... Anyway, I hope you had fun with your parents. mummykeep is leaving on wednesday so i will be sad as won't see her for 6 months or so (by which time i will be hugely pregnant...). Do you get to see yours often? I guess it's not far for you/them to travel.

<waves and freshly cooked spring rolls and pineapple for all>

Cup Thats too frustrating!! But as Keep says you'll find your pee stick before then anyways!!!

now how about some chanting for all?!

What do we want?
POSITIVE PEE STICKS

When do we want them?
NOW

Princessishavingababyboo Mon 05-Nov-12 13:44:48

Oh I am loving all he wedding talk at the mo, on here and on FB smile

Cup How long will you have off once you have done this run of shifts? Hopefully a good rest so you can get on wit the rat smacking wink

Keep Glad you are having a good time with mummykeep, and yay for egg popping just at the right time, that BFP is in the bag!!!

Sorry not much to share today, and I am still sulking with you all a little, you know why!!!!! grinwink

how is booby? hehehehehe

Princessishavingababyboo Mon 05-Nov-12 18:17:54

I'm ignoring you Sparks grin

TrickorTreatSweetie Mon 05-Nov-12 20:06:42

Hello all, hope everyone enjoying this bonfire night. Very cold and clear here, pup hasn't seemed to notice any fireworks but she is supposed to be a gun dog so that might be it hmm

boo how the devil are the boobies doing? Hope all coming along nicely my dear

Sparks how is the ms doing? Settled down any?

Cup I think we had to complete a questionnaire prior to first appointment, it was only basic info and then we got our appointment pretty soon afterwards, hopefully it is just a formality

face one of my friends got married the weekend between Christmas and new years, so everyone was off work. She had planned a summer wedding but found out in the January that she was preggers so had the baby late summer and put the wedding off until as late as possible in the same year. It has snowed the evening before and the venue was in the middle of a frozen lake, she now has THE most stunning photos.

Am loving all the wedding talk, and photos on fb it is so special

Well we had our consultation last week and pretty much as expected were told they can not help us further without egg donor. The consultant was downright rude to be honest. I would be loathed to give my money to that clinic so I have made enquiries at another clinic. We have to get our notes so am going to make an appointment for the new year, I will start seeing the counsellor as I still have a few shallow concerns to work through. We can also go see the nurses for a look around and a chat, so will take this option soon. All good though and am feeling very settled now we have decided.

keepitgoing Tue 06-Nov-12 02:45:19

sweetie i am so sorry that you did not have a good experience with the consultant. how was he rude? Do you want to make a complaint about your treatment; it's not on for him to be rude. anyway, you're going to another clinic now, so he can sod right off. I'm so glad that you are feeling comfortable with your plan now - and it won't be long till you see those two lines! It's so calming to have a plan, isn't it? I am brooking like crazy for you; you've had such a tough time and you are so strong.

sparks what a fetching shade of green you are. Are you still in halloween costume? grin
boo, how's booby? hope all's well.

visa sorted for india, just as well since i'm off on saturday for an exotically located shag-week.

saw Bond, James Bond, last night. <swoon> i've never seen his appeal before but ooh la la. <hopes she isn't ovulating early...>

sweetie I'm so sorry that your consultant was rude, how dare he!!! But at least you have a plan and you sound very calm about it all!! I foresee a BFP on the horizon, you know? One of those lovely chilled out ones like mine grin

Oh and jealous that sweetiepup isn't bothered by fireworks! My cats are petrified!!! They've taken to curling up together on top of the wardrobe but jumping every time there's a really loud bang (in my emotional state I've been crying whenever I hear a firework)

Morning sickness is still very much a part of my life, but we think we may have come up with a system! So it's a little more manageable!! And I'm getting through work which is the main thing!!!

keep do you like my costume? It's similar to the girl from the exorcist!!! I've got the vomiting down to a tee now I'm working on the head spinning smile

TrickorTreatSweetie Tue 06-Nov-12 07:13:03

keep we saw Bond at the weekend too <double swoon> I loved it. Daniel Craig doesn't do it for me at all but there is something transforming about him in Bond. You won't have seen him and Judi on Graham Norton but he still wasn't doing it for me even at that point. I think it is the mean and moodiness but ooo yes please!!!

Loving the sound of exotic shag week, would you be like the Beckham naming the DC after the location of its conception?

Btw consultant was a woman, which I think makes it worse. I was told she had no compassion prior to the appointment. But she wouldn't talk to us about egg donor, the most important decision we may go through, as in her words "it is explained I the information booklet". As if details in a booklet are the same as a proper conversation. She also said I had to face facts I am in the run up to the menopause when I asked about doing natural IVF (where you don't do the stims) at this point we left before I slapped her

Sweetie what a rude woman! I'm angry on your behalf. No compassion is one thing (and bad enough) but to not talk you through something important like the egg donor thing when it is your money is awful! If she is saying that you need to be looking at an egg donor then she should answer your questions on that at least. I would complain to the clinic about her and point out that on the basis of how she treated you, you couldn't contemplate spending your money there. (Ultimately they want your money!) IVF as you know is stressful enough, it's imperative that you trust the team completely I think.

Anyway does she not know that you get on the nerves of one brooker, you get on the nerves of ALL of us and we'll be round to give her a stern talking to?

I so want to see Bond too but can't figure out when we could fit it in AND get someone to look after the DSs confused. Think we'll be waiting forthe DVD --which I can watch over and I over <swoon>.......

strikeout fail

Shrieklette Tue 06-Nov-12 07:24:35

morning brookers smile <slopes in quiet-like to have a nosey and see what people are up to>

cup grr at the appointment change. We were sent a questionnaire, but had to bring it to the first appointment rather than submit it first. And forms. Lots of forms. Every form under the sun.

keep India, you say? I sense that perhaps Thailand wasn't exotic enough a conception location for minikeep, so s/he is waiting for you to have a trip further afield wink

boo how is the little boony doing? <stays on good side - has heard boo does boxercise>

sweetie oh what a 'mare, I do wish these doctors and consultants would put a little thought into their words. They may have to do it day in and day out but they need to remember that it is our lives they are talking about. Good for you for going elsewhere, and well done on having a plan. I love a good plan, me.

sparks you're looking very well, my dear <pretends to ignore the slight hint of green about the gills>

I had the weirdest dream last night ladies - Solars was having triplets and I was having twins!!! Must have been firework induced, I think someone drugged the hotdogs...

<goes back to lurking>

keepitgoing Tue 06-Nov-12 07:25:45

Doesn't Baby Calcutta have quite a ring to it? grin

Oops, that's us assuming that either consultants are male, or that nasty consultants are male. It does seem stranger when they're women. I had a very brisk female consultant in the UK and managed to avoid crying only did on the nurse so hats off to you and mrS. You are not in the 'runup to menopause'! how rude!

sparks i hope soon you are going to be teaching us all the tricks of managing MS as we follow you into the cave of voluntary sickness. Not too many weeks now till you should be feeling better, anyway. Any other interesting symptoms like giant boos?

Hope my kitty was alright for fireworks night back in the UK. Our (parents) dog always runs to the top of the house and hides, it's his least favourite night of the year. No fireworks here.

sweetie i think it's the manly taking-care-of-it-all being-amazing and also moody which is the doer. We're funny, aren't we? Wouldn't want anyone like that in real life, but <sigh>. I also LOVE judi dench.

Sweetie I am so sorry to hear about nasty consultant. That is shocking when she must deal with these sorts of sensitive issues on a daily basis. She should have learned a decent bedside manner by now. How do you feel about using donor eggs now? I think it's a big step, so I would totally understand if you wanted to take the counselling and take your time to decide. You always sound very sensible and calm, though, so I'm sure you will come to a decision that is right for you and MrS.

Keep I'm so excited about you conceiving little India or Calcutta next week - whoop! I loved Daniel Craig in the latest film too - I think it's cos he is all mean and moody like you said. And he does have a very nice body. Swoon.

Sparks, glad you are managing your MS better. Brooking that it stays manageable for you.

Biscuits, lovely to see you around! Get a babysitter and get yourself out to see Bond. That's an order!

Cups, so sorry to hear your appointment has been cancelled. Have they sent you another one?

Geek, I think your dream was a premonition! Once you've had your procedure to make your ovaries accessible, I'm brooking that they release two juicy eggs simultaneously and you get beautiful baby twin Geeks.

Solars, hope you are OK my dear. And Maybe too, where are you? Imps, have you left us? I miss you!

All good with minigen - under 10 weeks to go now - eek!

I love the name Calcutta, but not as much as I love Booby grin

Keep I think you better start thinking of good names as that BFP will be yours. I quite like India as a name if its a girl.

Sweetie how rude of the consultant! It sounds like you were very dignified. I cant believe she didn't discuss the donor eggs with you. That comment about the menopause was out of order, she sounds like she has no bedside manner.
I think you are doing the right thing by changing clinics & having counselling. It's so good to have a plan although of course you won't need it

Sparks great news on getting on top of the sickness. Do you have your midwife appointment booked yet btw?

Biscuits get yourself to the cinema! I don't find Daniel Craig attractive at all normally but I was practically drooling while watching the film blush

Gen wow can't believe it's only 10 weeks till MiniGen gets here. Are you all ready? Is DD excited?

We haven't got an appointment yet, we can't book one until they receive the questionnaire & I haven't even had the questionnaire yet! I'm annoyed as I finally spoke to my boss about it as if we undergo IVF it will affect ability at work significantly (I will be very restricted) and then came home to the letter saying the appointment had been cancelled. I wish I hadn't said anything now.

Has any done any homemade presents for Christmas? We are trying to make some chutneys this weekend & I was going to try making some flavoured vodka.

Cup I will be doing some homemade pressies, probably baking-related. Christmas cakes for some people and biscuits for others. That is rubbish re the appointment and lack of questionnaire. I hope your work are being understanding about it all. DD is v excited about minigen and keeps saying very cute things like 'I can't wait for the baby to get here so I can play with it and we will be best friends' etc!

BeedleTheBard Tue 06-Nov-12 11:36:50

sweetie shock just shock at how rude and insensitive your consultant was, definately go elsewhere

boo hope you and booby boony are well today

gen your DD sounds really sweet, can't believe you only have 10 weeks to go

We've also been to see Bond, MrB kept trying to cover my eyes whenever Daniel Craig was semi-naked grin

cups hope you get a new appointment sorted soon

keep sorry that mummykeep is leaving tomorrow, hope you've had a lovely time with her (did she enjoy Bond as well? - my mum did grin ) I do get to see my parents quite often, we've just booked a trip to England for Xmas. They'll have to come to us next year as we'll have a tiny baby or I'll be too pregnant to fly - though I thought that last year too sad

I got a letter from the hospital yesterday informing me that my "cd21" test last month did show that I ovulated, not that this came as a huge surprise to me - but it was nice to have it confirmed. Now I just need to get MrB to JIAJ again and then we can go back to see the doctor. Though of course I will get pregnant this month sO I won't need to grin

Princessishavingababyboo Tue 06-Nov-12 14:42:00

Sweetie what a complete twunt of a Dr, she should not be working in such a sensitive department with that attitude, I would make a complaint, I really would!

Cups How frustrating for you, I can't believe how much they are messing you about. Broking the forms arrive soon.

Beedle Good news on the unsurprising result. Good luck with Mr B and his date with the jar, brooking he 'does the job' soon grin

Right thats your lot, for now cos I luffs you all really i'm going back to ignoring you [petulant sulking emoticon] <stamps feet and flounces out> .............. you all know why, you are bringing this on yoursef wink

BeedleTheBard Tue 06-Nov-12 15:06:37

Now boo stop that flouncing and sulking, its not good for little booby grin

TrickorTreatSweetie Tue 06-Nov-12 18:28:30

boo please calm down and stop with the flouncing already it won't be doing the boobies any good at all wink

<starts the Brooking for forms dance> Cup that should sort it out, it will be winging its way to you very soon

Beedle it is nice to see these things in black & white confirming what we already know

keep I am loving baby Calcutta, very exotic but you might want to agree it with DH first grin

Gen only 10 week until the big sneeze, how time flies. Loving DDs comments so pleased she is looking forward to the new arrival

keepitgoing Wed 07-Nov-12 03:59:18

come on, mrbeedle JIAP already! Didn't he take ages to get round to it last time...? Wait until after ov, though, beeds - no wasting those swimmers on a pot! congrats on confirming ov. I agree with you this seems a little pointless when we know ourselves as we do by now (sigh) but i suppose you never know.

I can't really contemplate christmas. How does one feel christmassy in 35deg heat? We'll be on a beach... Anyone envy??

<joins sweetie in the form-brooking dance for cup>. Honestly, is this just a way to drag things out? you could just bring them with you to the ivf appointment!

gen 10 weeks! Wowee! you must be so excited! hope you're feeling well. When will you stop work? your DD sounds so cute! I can't remember if you know what colour brooking baby you're having?

now no, boo, i'm not one for flouncing! just calm down, dear. booby loves the name.

cd8 today and still a bit of brownish cm the last few days, which is unusual. I forgot to poaCBFMs this morning, so maybe this 'relaxed' approach will be my winner.

Think i said it, sweets but i'd complain too. But i think they should have talked to you about donor egg options whether you are paying or it's NHS. I do not think we should accept an inferior service on the NHS, and that's what this was <bit zealous about the NHS emoticon>

India. It's nice, actually (the name, don't know about the place yet). But would feel too sorry for the child to have that as their name. In this vein, if next month is my month should I be considering 'Isabella Ulrica Iantha' (IUI) or perhaps 'petri(dish)'?? grin I think Petri is actually a name!!?

okey dokey, i suppose i should do some work, then

BeedleTheBard Wed 07-Nov-12 06:30:52

keep I've almost done the hot christmas thing its a bit weird. One of my friends lives in a hot country and we were visiting in December one year, we went to an outdoor carol concert, so we were singing carols whilst outside dressed in summer dresses, whilst also listening to monkeys in the trees and the muslim call to prayer. Most odd, but very nice. Now I prefer a nice snowy christmas grin

Right I'm off to a work conference for 2 days, its not my favourite thing to do as 2 days of solid swedish is a bit tough on my brain and makes me very tired

Waves to all

GreenOlives Wed 07-Nov-12 07:59:16

I did the hot xmas thing too, spent 2003 on Manly beach in Sydney. I was with 2 friends and we wore red white and blue bikinis along with Santa hats! Our portable CD player which was playing cheesy xmas songs overheated and packed up! (twas before the days of ipod/mp3!) I am slightly envy of the sunshine keep but I definitely prefer a cold yuletide! smile

I spent Christmas 2004 on Bondi beach (and NY day 2005 on Manly) - hot Christmases are a bit weird. All the Christmas songs about snow etc - all just odd! Christmas lights are way more festive when it gets dark before about 10pm! I'm sure you'll have a lovely Christmas anyway Keep - one to remember for sure (as you'll be confirming you BFP). How long are you over there for? Will this be your only hot Christmas?

keepitgoing Wed 07-Nov-12 08:08:47

yes, must be even weirder when there are long evenings. We're strictly 6-6 light here! yes, biscuits, we are planning to come home next summer, so just this year.

i don't get why the southern hemisphere and tropics don't have their own christmas songs that are about summer... It's weird!

Am in India for diwali - how awesome is that!

beedle enjoy the conference. Am v impressed with your swedish. Did you know any before you met DH or did you move there and learn? <nosy parker, ignore if you like>

I've only ever spent christmas at home, how very unexotic!!! although I couldnt imagine going anywhere warm anyway.

Keep yes come in to the cave of voluntary sickness <stands at entrance holding torch> come my pretties!!! I've got it all ready for the brookers, currently lined with bags and bags of crisps, crisps are the food of gods, but not beef flavoured ones, they make me vom!!!!

I've made a christmas cake for my Nan, its been soaking in brandy for a few weeks now grin but my Nan loves a proper christmas cake, and she's a bugger to buy for, so I figured this was the best option. I'm also crocheting my nephew a blanket, he'll be nearly a year old by the time christmas comes around, but I'm making it rather sturdy so its can either be used to snuggle up with or as a play rug type thing. My sister asked me to do it, she was going to buy the yarn but I figured that my nephew is bound to be spoilt on the toy front so again best alternative.

I had a list of presents I wanted to make, but I've been a little preoccupied and the whole going to bed for 8pm is seriously eating in to my crafting time!!!

Cup My booking in appointment is on Monday, Im stupidly worried because I dont really know what to expect

keepitgoing Wed 07-Nov-12 08:42:13

gosh, sparks, other people's pregnancies sure do zoom past. I'm sure it'll be fine - just lots of history-taking.

They have weird crisp flavours here. seaweed, spicy crab, lemongrass. urgh. My faves are old trust cheese&onion.

Princessishavingababyboo Wed 07-Nov-12 08:48:24

Sparks at my booking in there were endless questions, then some more questions, pee test, blood test weight and height and loads of information given out. You will be fine.

I am another stay at home for Christmas, I sometimes go to my db for an hour but he is only 20 mins away grin

Well I have given us trying to get you all to grow up now, booby it is [giving up emotion] well on here at least, the lovely grown ups over on the grad thread have called it booster smile

Keep Yes I'm a little weirded out by how I've got to nearly 8 weeks already (7+4) We have a private scan booked for beginning of decemeber! Thats only 3 weeks on saturday!!!!

I think mrsparks would love the seaweed flavour, he is mad for the fried stuff!!!

keepitgoing Wed 07-Nov-12 09:00:39

why a private scan, as you'd be 11 weeks so about to have NHS one anyway, wouldn't you?

keep we'd planned to tell family (both mums know) at the beginning of December , but my NHS scan isn't until 12th I know it's only 2 weeks extra but mrsparks said he didn't mind forking out for a private one as an early Christmas pressie grin

Princessishavingababyboo Wed 07-Nov-12 09:55:51

Sparks do you find that 2 weeks is a long time in preggo years! I think these early days are so long and slow.

Boo absolutely, it feels like an age BUT I have to say it's nothing in comparison to TTC, time goes so slow when TTC!

Beedle, glad to hear you are officially ovulating, but we knew that anyway cos you're a brooker. Anyway, brooking with the rest of them that MrB JIAJ soon, but after shag week. Enjoy the gobbledegook conference!

Boo, am I allowed to call the baby booby or booster? Either way, it's a little cracker!

Keep, I don't know what flavour I am having, so it's a UBB (unidentified brooking baby). I am sort of getting excited, but it still seems quite a long way off. I finish work at Christmas, so 6 and a half weeks to go and counting. Hot Christmas sounds a bit weird to me, but would be good to experience once. Diwali in India will be awesome!

Sparks I am well jel of your craftiness. I need to learn how to do these things. Not long til your scan now - eeeee! The booking in is just a really long, boring appointment, filling in forms and testing your blood! Very exciting though as it makes it all seem much more real, so try to enjoy it.

ScarlettInSpace Wed 07-Nov-12 10:33:03

Morning all, just thought I'd shuffle in as you have dropped off my Threads I'm On list blush

AF arrived again this morning, my cycles seem to have gone back to 27/28 days since the treatment [they had stretched to 30 for several months previous], not sure if that's a good thing or a sign that I'm heading for the menopause before I reach 36 at the end of the year hmm

You all seem to be keeping well anyway, am checking up on you all regularly but not posting as I am very un-brook-like these days, hope that's ok, have pretty much accepted am not likely to have my own children so am mainly ignoring the fact I'm not on the pill and drinking too much getting on with my life, at least until january when the whole bloody treatment ride comes round again, and I haven't really decided whether or not I can face that again if the truth be told...

Much love hugs & vino, and don't forget to water the plant grin

Oh Scarlett, here, I'll 'water' you with some vodka. Enjoy a few weeks off TTC and see how you feel in Jan. It sucks doesn't it?

ScarlettInSpace Wed 07-Nov-12 11:58:50

sucks bigtime but on the plus side I can still afford to go on holiday 3 times a year and go out whenever I like wink every cloud...

scarlett You can afford to holiday 3 times a year??!!

Did someone ask about other symptoms? I think it might have been Keep Yes is the answer!! The boobs are actually phenomenal, mrsparks thinks pregancy is torture, he says my boobs look amazing but he isnt allowed to play with them, and he'd be right, firstly because they are as sore as hell, and secondly because they arent toys!!! I've also got a major bloat thing going on (ive had to buy maternity clothes already), my skin is horrid, and lets not even get me started on bowel movements blush

Gen craftiness is easy when you get the hang of it. Ive just taught my mum to crochet, and she loves it. In fact she is coming round tonight to help with my nephews blanket

keepitgoing Wed 07-Nov-12 13:22:33

Not exactly glamorous is it... from dildo cams to vomit, PO-endless-S to bloating.

TV has a lot to answer for.

Hi Scarlett love. Wasn't it boo who spent the month wasted and BOOm bfp. Don't give up. You have eggs and sperm and one tube. Why no babies of your own. You have time, too. We are all brooking for you even when you're not, so don't worry about that.

<chucks gin at the plant>

keepitgoing Wed 07-Nov-12 13:24:20

PS sparks I'm sure I would will do the same re scan. How lovely you can tell everyone before Xmas. Well timed, that brooker!

JenFawkes Wed 07-Nov-12 13:29:00

I've only spent 1 Christmas away from home. It was in the very glamorous Chorlton grin I hated it as they aren't really into it there so it was almost lunchtime before any present opening and it wasn't really a festive atmosphere. I decided then and there that I would never spend Christmas away again.

ScarlettInSpace Wed 07-Nov-12 13:44:57

sparks we usually have a snow holiday & a sun holiday [last self catering minute deals or staying with family scattered around Europe so not all inclusive at the Dubai Palm iykwim], then a long weekend/city break around about now - probably sounds more glamorous than it is and I tend to bang it on a cc and pay it off over the following few months then do it again!
You're doing a great job of selling this pregnancy lark to us btw it sounds like such fun grin

keep thank for you for the talking to, all very good points but I have a tendancy to wallow especially when there is gin involved

<mixes together gin & vodka to make a lunchtime martini>
<drinks martini>
<wallows, in a wafty plantlike manner>

Scarlet Im defs not the best advert for diffedness, some women make it look so glamerous!!!

Oh and story for you brookers which will either make you laugh or feel sick!! The other day at work, I was mid vom session, when I sort of wobbled and fell over, just sort my balance in my sort of squating over the loo bowl position. Anyway I put my hand on the floor to stand up, urgh, the previous user obviously had an aim issue, urgh!!!! On the other hand is stopped me from vomming because I then became totally preoccupied with scrubbing my hand until it was raw!!!!!

TrickorTreatSweetie Wed 07-Nov-12 17:27:07

Aw poor Sparks and even worse having someone's pee am hoping it was only pee on you. That would be enough to get me spewing anyway

Jen where is chorlton? Is that the same place as in chorlton and the wheelies? <wonder if showing her age now>

keep Diwali will be great to be celebrated while you are on your travels too, I am not brave enough to go somewhere so exotic, I would love to but am too paranoid about the food and drinking water [wimp emoticon]

Never spent a hot Christmas, but did live in Germany for a couple of years who do Christmas really well. They have the same tunes for the carols but just different words. I loved Christmas over there.

Copious amounts of pant snot to report here since the weekend, think my body has gone into some sort of overdrive so might try seduce DH for a bit of SWI this evening.

<waters the plant with white wine>

sweetie worth mentioning that the month I got my BFP I had stupid amounts of pant snot for about 6 days!! Just means your laying a whooper of an egg

Geeklette Wed 07-Nov-12 18:52:21

<de-lurking briefly to scream in excitement>

FINALLY got my letter today, my pre-op consultation appointment has been booked for Monday 19th November. There is still a small, small chance that I might have my op before christmas. <crosses everything and goes back to lurking>

Princessishavingababyboo Wed 07-Nov-12 19:01:35

Ooh ooh ooh Geek that's fabulous, when Mr boo had his pre op assessment he then had to have the surgery within 4 weeks grin fabulous fabulous news for you.

Will properly read back later.

Oooooooh geek that's so exciting grin

Woo hoo!! Geek excellent news on the appointment. I'm keeping everything crossed that they squeeze you in before Christmas.

I spent Christmas in Tenerife when I was a teenager, not exactly glamorous grin but the novelty of spending Christmas on the beach was good. Keep I am a bit jealous of your beach Christmas. Jen was it Chorlton in Manchester?!

Sweetie yay for pant snot, get smacking that rat my dear wink

Gen how sweet is your DD!

Beedle glad to hear your ovulating, it always helps wink good luck for MrB JIAJ. I don't know if I mentioned but my poor DH has had to JIAJ 6 times already! Due to sample leaking twice (I think that's code for the lab knocked it over grin) and one time the sample pot cracked. I did feel a bit sorry for him.

Sparks blush for accidentally touching someone else's pee but on the bright side at least it distracted you from MS. I embarrassed myself earlier as I thought my car had been stolen. I was going out to do a food shop & my car wasn't where I thought I had parked it. I called DH (luckily he didn't answer), I headed back to the house to call the police and told my neighbour my car had been stolen. He kindly pointed out it was parked behind his car blush. I then went to the shops & got half way round the supermarket before I realised I had two handbags (the kind that go across your body) hmmblushhmm

Anyone else in the 2ww? My BFP is due in about 10 days grin

keepitgoing Thu 08-Nov-12 01:58:19

cup that sounds like baby-brain to me - am looking forward to 9 days time for you! Also, your poor DH. What a rubbish lab you have in your hospital, always knocking over those swimmers... But i still think it's not as bad as what the ladies have to do, so don't feel too sorry for him smile

geek yay!! fantastic news. I also agree that the op can't be too far from the pre-op appt, or they'd have to re-do the pre-op, iykwim. I can't remember what the longest is, but here's brooking it's under a month. Finally some good news for you!

not sure who else is in tww, cups. Not me yet, beedle may be soon and sounds like sweetie's not far off either. Lead the charge, my lovely.

maybe and imps hope you're both ok. thinking of you.
face good luck with the last few weeks of planning! looking forward to seeing you back here more often after christmas, for your imminent steroid-assisted bfp grin

Cup that does sound like total baby brain grin

10 days need to hurry up so we get another BFP!!!!

BeedleTheBard Thu 08-Nov-12 17:12:14

cups baby brain has got you very early. I will be confirming my BFP with you in about 10 days time grin

geek great news about the pre-op.

sparks has mini-sparks got a name yet? Would you like me to think of one? I'll try not to think of a rude one like booby grin

The conference was actually really good, by coincidence or very good planning I was sat withal couple of American girls for dinner so we forced the Swedes to speak English grin Then we had lots of drinking and dancing, which should ensure my BFP soon.

scarlet sorry you're not feeling very brooky at the moment, we will be brooking on your behalf, and drinking gin with you of course

Ooooh beedle dancing and drinking?! Can't think of a better way to ensure a BFP!!

Yes a name for mini sparks is much needed, Mrsparkes thinks it should be twinkle hmm I may talk about MN waaaay too much!!

JenFawkes Thu 08-Nov-12 17:24:37

Sounds like lots of BFPs on the way.

Yes, Chorlton in Manchester, home of Chorlton and the Wheelies.

keepitgoing Fri 09-Nov-12 02:23:27

i like twinkle for babysparks. nice one, mrSparly!

beedle am sad we're out of synch, but i'll be only a week or so behind you for my bfp, i'd think though still on low this morning glad you had fun at the conference. can the americans speak swedish? [shocked]

sounds like by the time i get back from my jaunt abroad there'll be two lovely bfps to hear about. can't wait.

WHAT DO WE WANT????
POSITIVE PEE STICKS

WHEN DO WE WANT THEM??
NOOOOW

keep the faith, girls

Princessishavingababyboo Fri 09-Nov-12 11:19:41

Ooh Beedle and Cups are both getting their BFP's I am so excited for you grin In fact Beedle I spent the whole month right before my BFP getting rather merry and dancing like a loon you have guarenteed it my dear!!

Keep brooking for your brilliant timed india baby, when do you set off?

Face time for another wedding update? how is it all going, 6 weeks and counting smilesmile

Maybe, Imps hope you are both ok, missing you round here.

Twinkle it is!!!

keepitgoing Fri 09-Nov-12 13:44:55

boo I'm off in the morning. Will try and log in from there, but unsure of internet sit.

Keep brooking!

Princessishavingababyboo Fri 09-Nov-12 14:46:57

Why does Sparks get twinkle and I am stuck with booby?? What has she got on you all? hmm grin

Princessishavingababyboo Fri 09-Nov-12 14:56:48

Sorry Keep have a lovely time in India, bring us back a BFP smile

Boo are you getting all flouncey again?grin

BeedleTheBard Fri 09-Nov-12 15:07:36

Actually boo, sparks sent me a large sum of money not to think up a rude name for her bean grin

For a similarly large sum I will promote the name booster for you (I think its very cute name - though not nearly as funny as booby )

Boo stop sulking! Booby is an awesome name for bump grin

Spark I love Twinkle well done MrS

Beedle can't wait for our double whammy BFP in 10 days time. I'm also doing my best to drink my way to a BFP a la Boo smile

Keep hope you and DH have a fab time in India. Bring us back a BFP please.

Good news from this end, my questionnaire came today. Only a weeks wait so I'm happy plus it's clearly for IVF. It asks about BMI, smoking, alcohol intake & previous IUI/IVF. It also asks for passport photo's of DH and I. I must admit I was a bit confused at that. Has anyone else been asked for photo's?

<drags in a crate of wine and settles in next to Scarlett>

TrickorTreatSweetie Fri 09-Nov-12 18:42:16

Cup we had to provide passport photos too, but only at our first nurse appointment. All good news things seem to be moving in the right direction

Princessishavingababyboo Fri 09-Nov-12 18:53:43

Cup amazing news!! Brilliant that the forms have arrived. Now it's time for your ironic BFP grin

Geeklette Fri 09-Nov-12 19:19:53

<drops in from her invisible spider's web to congratulate cup on her forms>

We too had to provide passport photos and ID, I think it was required by the IVF governing body <mind has drawn a blank of the name>

Brooking your IVF is just around the corner smile

<will get round to a proper post soon, still just a little fragile and mopey>

ScarlettInSpace Fri 09-Nov-12 19:46:35

<raises head from wine vat glass>

I didn't have to give the hospital photos - is this why my ovaries didn't respond?? shock

Geeklette Fri 09-Nov-12 20:43:42

<waters the plant with a little more vino>

Maybe they are shy scarlett? Do you have pictures of your ovaries to hand?

ScarlettInSpace Fri 09-Nov-12 21:56:58

Well there are lots of photos of them somewhere - when I had the hycosy he took about ten!

I bet he sold them to some weird fetish magazine shock

Solars Sat 10-Nov-12 13:30:16

Hello all, hope everyone is doing well!

Cups that is great news about your questionnaire, we weren't asked for photos but we had to take photo id at our consent meeting which they photocopied and put in our file! Looking forward to your imminent bfp!

Great news too for you Geek too, sneaks a squeeze i'm so pleased and brooking that the op takes place this side of xmas! I really hope your dream comes true even if it means I would have to have triplets yikes

Keep I am so jealous of you being in India for Diwali, I've always wanted to go then! One of the reasons I love winter too, celebrating Diwali and then Christmas is around the corner. I've had a couple of hot christmases once in Australia and another in Dubai. Oz was quite festive as we spent it with some new friends but Dubai just didn't feel festive enough!

Beedle lovely, drinking and dancing have definitely ensured your bfp!

Sweetie I can't believe your ivf review but glad that you have plans to go somewhere else and prove them wrong plus i remember Chorlton and the Wheelies!!!

We've done a lot a talking on our week off and have decided we are going to go with ARGC. We thought that if we're going to spend a huge amount of money we may as well go all out. We have our review on Wednesday at Oxford and although they have been a good clinic I think we would rather go with a place who has had good figures for women my age. We probably won't get an appointment this side of xmas, however DH is very keen to still continue naturally it's probably the thought of spending all that money

Boo how about boobaliscious??

Sparks loving the name twinkle!

Gives the plant a squeeze and waters with wine...

Afternoon all including the plant

Sparks loving twinkle as the name, although you have to admit booby quite like boobaliscious too does take some beating grin

Solars we had very similar conversations at going with Arcg or the lister but this was before our treatment and I now know what I know. We are just too far away to commit to the traveling. I agree though if you are paying anyway why not go the whole hog and go for the very best. But of course you will have your ironic BFP by then my dear.

We got our appointment at the egg donor place for 28th November. It is an all day job we have to see the consultant, counseller, nurse, have bloods and semen done. So then we go on hols for a week after that. The bloods allow them to match me to a donor. It is all very exciting, although I can not imagine anything much happening before Christmas. No one would choose to go through egg donation over Christmas I am sure, they will want to be relaxing, enjoying their families and getting drunk is that just me? It is DH 40th on Monday so we are out celebrating this evening with the family so that will be nice to see everyone.

Solars Sat 10-Nov-12 14:26:25

Wow Sweetie that's great news about the imminent appointment, you just never know about someone wanting to be a donor over Christmas believes in Christmas miracles and all that I'm so excited for you lovely, you will get there and a happy birthday to your DH, sounds like a fun night out tonight x

Princessishavingababyboo Sun 11-Nov-12 18:34:35

Wow lots of appointments and meetings coming up, busy busy brooking days ahead of us smile home luck everyone.

Sweetie happy birthday for your dh tomorrow. Brooking that someone donate's as their Christmas good deed, and the new clinic has far better doctors than the last one!

Solars I like boobaliscious, but I think they would just shorten it to booby smile

BeedleTheBard Mon 12-Nov-12 08:29:50

Morning all, and happy birthday to MrSweetie grin

sweetie I shouldn't think anything would happen before Xmas but presumably some of the egg donors would be women going for IVF themselves (due to male issues) who then get it cheaper if they donate some of their eggs. But I think I would also vote for a calm relaxing Xmas with alcohol grin

solars glad you had a good holiday and managed to make some decisions.

We had to do a questionnaire before our first appointment too, and show some ID. They also asked to see my ID before my blood tests, and made me say my ID number once they'd done them to check they had the right labels on the tubes of my blood! They're a bit keen on their ID system here grin

No sign of MrB doing his JIAJ yet but I'm not nagging him at the moment because a) he's a bit stressed and I don't want to add to it, and b) I'm fairly certain that once he's done it they will refer us for IVF and I'm a bit scared. Though if I find out there's a long wait for IVF the heavy frying pan will come out for beating him around the head grin
Oh and c) I'm in the 2WW so I'm obviously preggo so it would be a waste of time gringrin

Hi ladies sorry I haven't posted much but just thought I'd pop in n let you all know I'm officially a MWEPP grin

Geeklette Mon 12-Nov-12 20:23:21

Congrats spaarks!!!!! Glad it all went well, looking forward to reading a bloow by blow account of your MWEPP-ship grin

Princessishavingababyboo Mon 12-Nov-12 20:27:50

Hello o o o o o o o o o o o o <echo>

<kicks some tumble weed out of the way>

<cough cough, the chairs are dusty>

Where the brook is everyone??? Maybe, Face, Imps, Solars, Sweetie? Anyone around? sadsad

Princessishavingababyboo Mon 12-Nov-12 20:29:07

Hit post before I said HIYA GEEK how the brook are you? Ready for next Monday?

BeedleTheBard Tue 13-Nov-12 05:21:52

Morning all

Congratulations sparkle have you got your 12week scan booked now?

Waves to geek , do they have to do the pre-op before they will give you a date for the actual op? [completely clueless emoticon]

Hi boo it is a bit quiet round here, I think we've been too successful and nearly everyone has graduated, we'll have to go recruiting for new blood members grin

Geeklette Tue 13-Nov-12 07:22:45

Morning everyone, it has been ever so quiet on here recently! <puts on some early morning mulled wine, and mulled pomegranate juice for the recently diffed and MWEPP alike>

boo if I didn't know your condition I'd ask if you had been on the pop again last night wink

beedle I think you've hit the nail on the head. It's been an exhausting year in Brookerside, so many graduates and post graduates. I think there are a few well-deserved breaks being taken too, given the recent journeys of some of us under-grads. I think you're right, I'll not get my op date until after the consultation, even though he has already seen me.

sparks how are you feeling now lovely? Can't wait to hear the details of your MW visit! You mentioned about agnus castus a little while back. I took that for five months and it sent my cycles positively loopy. Gone are the days when I can guarantee one short and one long cycle, they are now all a minumum of 6 weeks. I don't know how much of that is the AC, and how much is coincidence due to my endometrioma though.

Horrible, horrible cycle here. I am on day 30 and really thought I was gearing up to ov last weekend. I got MrG on the case and we actually did SWI three days on the trot for the first time since we got together all those years ago then my body chickened out and I'm stuck here waiting. I never, ever have mid-cycle bleeding, but last cycle I had two days just before ov, and this cycle I have had seven days of it. Can endometriomas burst? I swear, when I wasn't thinking about my cycles, they just happened. Now, they are officially driving me crazy.

{{{{group hug to all brookers}}}}

Geek sorry to hear you are having a killer cycle, but well done to MrG for his record breaking efforts grinblush. I think the more knowledge you have the crazier it drives you, ignorance is bliss IMO.

Beedle any news on the jiar front? Will it be done by Chrimmy? How you doing?

boo you are right it has been very very quiet in recent days weeks too many grads I think. Only us old stalwarts left sad. But we will get there by hook or by crook - FACT

Sparks congratulations on being officially MWEPP - yeah yeah yeah smilegrinsmile

Am starting work a bit later as off to Drs to request a referral to the new clinic and there is mention of some test results they need to going to see if we have already had these and if not see if GP do it to reduce clinic costs now we are paying.

<waves to face imps solars & maybe>
<pours white wine into plant>
<realises it is only 8.30am>
<pours in soda water to dilute wine>

BeedleTheBard Tue 13-Nov-12 08:57:14

7 days geek shock , though if you weren't tracking your cycles how would you know that it wasn't just a period? confused

sweetie I'm fine, sore boobs and feeling slightly off - if I was anyone else I would think that I'm preggo but as I'm not any normal person I don't much, will probably PIAR at the weekend though grin Good luck at the dr.

Solars Tue 13-Nov-12 11:52:11

<Joins in the group hug>

Sweetie sounds like a good plan getting as much of the tests done at the GP as possible.

Everything crossed for you Beedle

Geek you poor thing, sounds like the sooner the op the better

Sparkes well done on becoming MWEPP grin

Yes it's been far too quiet on here Boo sorry for my lack of posts, hope you and liscious are doing well.

I have to say I have been having a really awful time of things since being back from hols. Things seem to have crashed out since getting back, I have been quite inconsolable and then to top it off sil called yesterday to say she is pregnant with their third. I'm happy for them but timing couldn't have been worse for me. I wish she'd at least waited til perhaps the end of the week to say anything. I was so looking forward to today as it is diwali and now just feel even more upset about things. We are going to my folks at the weekend which I am also not looking forward to now as the whole family will be there and everything for me still feels quite raw, it's only been 2 and a half weeks since the end of my ivf cycle. Poor DH has been doing his best to reassure me but I'm finding it a little hard at the moment. Promise my next post will be uplifting but unfortunately for now I may lurk a little...

BeedleTheBard Tue 13-Nov-12 13:04:37

solars what awful timing ((hugs)) when I hear stories liek that it makes me so thankful that my bro had completed his family (and had the snip!) before we started ttc. I suppose you can at least be thankful that they didn't do a big announcement in front of the whole family at the weekend. Though of course now everyone knows they will presumably want to talk about it. As you say what a shame she couldn't wait until next week.

But don't feel bad about feeling low, we're not only here for the good news you know ((hugs)) Do you say Happy Diwali? Hope you have a good day anyway.

Very busy day at work today, but just nipping in to brook for you all and give those that want one a big hug. I'm looking at Solars, Sweetie, Beedle and Geek. And anyone else really!

Would a large wheelbarrow full of chocolate help?

Geeklette Tue 13-Nov-12 13:10:48

ooh I can never resist a good group hug smile

solars you poor thing, what awful timing. Did she know you had just had your IVF though? If not that's an awful coincidence. ((hugs)) Take all the time you need, we'll be here for you.

beedle You know the law of boob! <marks place in queue outside beedle's bathroom, ready for the piar results>

Make that 8 days of mid-cycle bleeding... I thought I had stopped this morning, but it's now worse than any of the previous days. beedle it doesn't look or feel anything like AF, it's more like spotting, I mostly only see it when I wipe <sorry, tmi> Up til today it's been mostly brown CM but now it's almost like the very start of AF so I am beginning to wonder if the mare is about to arrive, despite short cycle and lack of ov. This also makes me doubt whether my previous short cycles have also involved ov... very confuzzled confused

Please could I ask for opinions on my [http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/geek chart]? I don't think it shows ov at all, despite four separate OPK+ tests hmm.

Sorry for all the me-ness, I am still brooking for all, honest!

Geeklette Tue 13-Nov-12 13:13:30

Well, that worked - not! Trying again...

chart

BeedleTheBard Tue 13-Nov-12 13:24:55

Sorry Geek I can't see any sign of ovulation there, though with all those random +OPKs it does at least sound like your body is trying to release an egg. Oh and can you form an orderly queue outside my bathroom, I don't want to be tripping over you when I get up for a wee in the night grin

Evening All,

Happy Diwali Solars hope you have managed to enjoy the evening. Am so sorry about the bad timing of you SIL's news. No wonder you are upset, is so close to your IVF cycle. Sending you lots of hugs.

Sweetie hope got all the notes/test results you need from the GP. Did DH have a nice birthday? I didn't realise you lived so close to me! I live in north manchester close to bury. I'm just off the m62 so it really doesn't feel far from Yorkshire.

Beedle can't wait for your BFP!!! One of us old timers must be way overdue a BFP.

Sparks yay to becoming a MWEPP! We are very proud smile

Boo hope you and Boobylicious are well.

Well I've been busy making a million 4 batches of chutney. My house reeks grin. I sent off our IVF forms this morning. At work today I met a lovely couple with IVF twins. They had unexplained infertility and got pg on first cycle. They had it at the hospital I'm going to, they had the same consultant, & had been trying the same amount of time as us. I'm brooking no arguement ladies that this is a sign grin

Geek I'm afraid I don't understand charting so can't help there I'm afraid. I think Imps & Maybe are good at charts. What an annoying cycle? I hate it when you don't know what's going on. Excellent work by you & MrGeek on rat smacking. Consecutive days is almost unheard of in this house grin

keepitgoing Wed 14-Nov-12 05:01:32

Hi all, just popping in to say
solars what crappy timing. Did your sil know about ivf, and do your folks? Urgh it's so unfair.

sweetie how exciting about donor eggs! Do you have to pay extra, do women get paid or is it mostly people doing ivf for male factor? Am brooking you can start asap!

And beedle, no reason why it won't be you this weekend. Brook brook!

All good here, peak yesterday on cbfm, so will log off now to get smacking.

It is quieter. Those of us left are having hard times finding a decent pee stick, but we'll be all the happier when we get there. It's OK those of us taking a break, we are here when you want us.

PS well done sparks and twinks!

Quick message, will post properly from work in a bit!!

geek I'm confused by your chart, is your monitor actually giving you several peaks? Or are you going by the sticks?

I just thought I'd pop in to give you lovely ladies a bit of a hug and a squeeze thanks

Things have been tough going in here for a lot of you but I am still brooking no argument that each and every one of you will be graduating very very soon. In fact, (looks sternly at the universe) I've ordered some tumbleweed for this thread as it will be required once you're all over on the grad thread.

Solars what horrible timing for your SIL's news sadthanks. Hope you managed to have a nice enough evening regardless. And you know of course that we're still brooking on your behalf even if you're only lurking. The same goes for all other lurkers <looks especially at Imps and Maybe>. We've got your back on the brooking.

Geek your chart looks, erm, mountainous! And the spotting sounds odd. Is your thermometer working? Do you think you might go to the doctors to ask about it? Or just see what happens? Could be an anovulatory cycle maybe?

I know some of you brookers probably weren't here when I joined the brookers and might be a bit hmm at me keep poking my nose in. However, I owe a huge debt to the brookers for helping me in my hour of need when we were ttc. In fact, 'a huge debt' doesn't even begin to describe it. Arguably this will sound over dramatic but brooking literally changed my life confused. Between you lovely ladies here, the grads and post grads, you got me through what was probably the hardest thing I've had to do. (I warned you this might sound over dramatic). Hence my wanting to pop in and hug you all frequently.

Until you've struggled ttc you can't know how all-consuming it can be and every day I come here hoping that there will be good news for you ladies. And there will be <nods confidently>.

I remember DH saying to me when we were ttc, 'how often do you think about trying to get pg? most days?' Most bloody days? Try a thousand million times each bloody day. Given he was going through the same thing and wanted a baby just as much, it made me realise how different our experiences were of it. Finding the lovely lovely brookers who really got how I felt was amazing and I owe such a lot to you all.

Anyway, that's enough garjng. I just nipped in to say I am brooking for each and every one of you.

<puts on cheerleaders outfit and picks up Pom Poms>

What do we want?
positive pee sticks

When do we want them?
NOW!

<exits in a flurry of cartwheels>

Geeklette Wed 14-Nov-12 07:23:26

keep great timing, go get smacking for baby Calcutta grin

solars hope you managed to have a lovely diwali despite everything. One of my work colleagues brought in samosas to celebrate diwali with the office. Everyone was enjoying them so much, and they smelt so good (I love samosas as long as they are not too spicy). A friend offered for me to try a tiny bit of the filling and three seconds later the chilli kicked in. I literally ran out of the office to find water!

<places an order for cup's chutney> Well done on the IVF forms, that is one step nearer to your brooking baby - and what a coincidence sign!! grin

biscuits I'm almost in tears reading your post, it is just what the doctor ordered. It's always lovely to see post/grads, but there is something very special and inspiring knowing the success stories after such a struggle. You sum up the whole obsession of it so perfectly with that question from your DH.

Thank you for the comments on my chart beedle, cups, sparks, biscuits, I had a feeling no-one would be able to see anything different or magical that I was missing grin I've changed some of my discarded temps to include them and it looks even worse now hahaha! The spotting is a lot worse this morning but I've no pain so after scaring myself witless yesterday reading about burst endometriomas and ruptured ovaries I don't think I'm in too much danger. I am seeing my consultant for my pre-op appointment on Monday so I will mention it to him then. I don't think I have ever had anything this weird.

sparks the CBFM has (as usual) read 'high' from day 1. On two occasions, when I was expecting it to give me a peak, it gave me a 'clean me' symbol. It's now run out of days so am manually reading the sticks. The lows are my interpretation of the oestrogen line, not what the machine was telling me.

Oops another mammoth posta nd now I'm late waking MrGeek up. Wish I was back in my old desk at work sad

PS - got so cnofused about my cycle I even wondered if I might be pg, despite the low temps - BFN obvs!!!

BeedleTheBard Wed 14-Nov-12 07:35:14

awww biscuits that was lovely, just what we needed. I'm pretty certain that the conversation with your DH could be repeated in our house. And you're right there will be positive pee-sticks for all of us. Oh and I've made you a cup of brew just for being so lovely.

yeah keep get smacking grin

Right here goes a proper mammoth post!! I’m writing it on word and then copying and pasting on to MN so that the bugger of a site doesn’t swallow up my post mid way through!!!

Geek Would you consider dropping the use of the CBFM? I think it might just be confusing matters? It’s not really telling you anything that your OPKs aren’t and the variation in colour could be caused by anything, varying hormone levels or slightly more diluted urine etc. I think if you’ve been spotting for a while you should probably head down to the GP, I guess there isn’t much they can do for you but at least they could put your mind at ease!!!

Solars what awful timing!! Pregnancy announcements are hard at any point during your TTC journey, they must be especially hard after an IVF cycle, especially with 2 kids already!! I cried bitterly when I was told my cousin was pregnant with twins, then felt horrendously guilty because she had been trying for a while (but not really long because her DD was only about 2, but she’d also had two miscarriages, one of which was on Christmas day, by no means an easy process for her to get to that point BUT it didn’t seem to make me any less bitter!! I hope you managed to have a good Diwali, like geek I used to work with a lady who would bring in samosas and pakoras as treats for us (she’d always snaffle the largest portion of mince pies so it was only fair). And try and enjoy spending some time with your family, it will be hard (family gathering always are), if it gets too much then make your excuses (norovirus tends to work well, less questions smile) and leave!!!

Biscuits speaks the truth!!! Over 12 months ago, I came on to MN looking for some support and joined a ‘bus’ thread. And it was great to begin with, but slowly one by one they all got pregnant (actually most of them did it rather quickly) obviously I was super chuffed for them but also a tad jealous. The problem was because a large portion of them conceived without any problems they couldn’t possibly understand what we were going through, and as their tummies grew and they had a new set of problems to worry about the thread became rather useless for me. So I went of MN. Then I came back, and I peered in to the wonderful world of brooking!! I’m pretty convinced you guys are the main reason I’m still mildly clinging to my sanity!!! Mush over!!!

Keep hope the smacking went well last night grin that was rather well timed!!

Beedle any luck on the jar front? Why do you think they have will refuse you IVF, do they not know you are a brooker? And as such allowed any medical treatment the group deems necessary!!!

Sorry to not name check everyone else but I’m pretty sure this is the longest post in history!!!

My booking in appt went swimmingly, my midwife is so very nice!! Even one of my kitties took a bit of a shine to her!! She explained everything to me, when I’ll have tests etc (she didnt take any bloods etc, as these wills be taken at my first scan) she had bought a stupid amount of leaflets and information for me, talked about places to give birth etc and then pronounced that I had a fairly healthy diet (even though mrsparks tried to get me in to trouble by saying how much junk food Im eating at the moment) and finally told me that I was consider low risk (although I forgot to mention that my sister was born with a form of spina bifada). I honestly don’t know what I was worried about.

Right must get on with work, need to clear out my office in the next two weeks ready for my new job, so thats three years of accumulated crap to shift!!!

BeedleTheBard Wed 14-Nov-12 09:00:12

hi sparks did you have your booking-in at home? Is that so the midwife can be a bit nosey about your home situation? shock Did she put some white gloves on to check when you last dusted the top of the door frame grin

I'm not scared that they will refuse us IVF, I'm just a bit scared about going through everything [wimp] I'll start nagging reminding MrB about booking a date with a jar next week grin

Beedle Yes yes it was at home confused Id never heard of that being done before. She could don as many pairs of white gloves at she liked, me and mrsparks both finished work early so we could scrub the house before she arrived.... well actually mrsparks scrubbed the house, and I mostly vommitted!!! She did comment on how ideal our sofas are for doing paper work, they have lovely wide flat arms grin

cartoonface Wed 14-Nov-12 15:40:55

could actually cry was almost done with my longest post ever then it dissapeared!!!
wow theres a lot of letters and appointments being made/had around here so thats good news everyone.
noticed a bit of upset over preggo annoucements, i had one too. a friend but not a close one. luckily it was over text and before i saw it on fb so i was just about able to congratulate her not sure i couldve coped face to face. i must admit i had assumed it was an accident, wrongly another friend who is closer to her told me they had been trying so i felt a bit better!

not much wedding news actually. ive picked purple organza rather than sain for the chair sashes and we have picked the menu after a taster last fri.
haddock fishcaks, roast beef with all the trimmings and pannacotta with strawberry and champagne thingy bob, umm posh word for sauce!

am currently having my second to last period before my pregnancy. i seem to have had 2 28 day cycles in a row so i must be a 28 dayer now. fine as long as i know! not long now before the obessesive weeing on sticks begins again yay!
think thats it!
sparks am slightly gobsmacked by the amount of vomit u have going on!
love to all boo booby beedle keep geek biscuits solars cups ummm twinkle was it sparks love it! and of course anyone whos name ive missed x

Face Im not sure about the fish cakes (rather anti fish here) but the beef and pudding sound amazing!!! I look forward to my invite in the post.

For ours we had caramalised onion and goats cheese tartlet, Chicken wrapped in parma ham with chateau (?) potatoes and savoy cabbage and then a baileys chocolate cheese cake! it was to die for, although I was so swept away by it all that I only managed to get about a spoonful of each!!
For our evening meal we had pork baps and hot dogs with curly fries and potatoes wedges, and the pudding with jam doughnuts and chocolate eclairs!! obviously our evening do with a classy affair!!!

I'm shocked too at just how much spewing I'm having to do, but I ent complaining!!!! 8+5 today, and all the books promise me that I'll magically feel better in 3 weeks time, if not Im suing the authors!!!!

now then ladies....

what do we want?
POSITIVE PEE STICKS

When do we want them?
NOW!!!!!!

Hey brookers just popping in to say that AF came yesterday. I was very fed up, am feeling a bit better today. I'm keeping myself busy organising my DH's 30th (it's in feb so am getting a bit ahead of myself I think blush)

oh cup sad flipping AF!!!!

But on a brighter note what are you planning for the party?!!

Well we are going to prague the weekend before with some friends to visit another friend who has just moved there. On the way back we are going to stay with PILs for a few days and then on DH's actual birthday we are having a party at a local cricket club. Basically it's a full week of celebrations grin

wowza, what a week smile I loved Prague, we went for my birthday (It was only like my 24th or something) but we had such a fabulous time.

We went to visit the castle, acutally on my birthday and as we were walking to towards it, I wistfully sighed "I wish it would snow" and with that the heavens opened and a lovely white flurry started, I then jokingly said "god now I wish I had an umbrella" and a lady selling umbrellas came around the corner!! I wished for money, but it didnt happen!! True story grin

I also loved the food, eek, their onion soup is generally out of this world, and boy do they do hot chocolate well grin

Solars Fri 16-Nov-12 13:06:34

Cups I'm so sorry about AF, but your week of celebrations sounds fabulous! I loved Prague too, I went with a cousin and we had such a great time! I don't blame you for starting now to organise! In fact I think you've left it too late (joking of course) I was organising DH's 40th at least 9 months before hand but that's because i'm a bit dithery sometimes By the way that surely is a sign about your work colleague, I'm brooking like anything for you!

Biscuits firstly i'm impressed with your cartwheels and secondly I could just come over to you and hug you, you lovely, lovely lady, I love the fact you still hang around here and give us all such support, that goes for Boo & Sparkes too and anyone else popping their heads in here! Your post brought several a tear to my eye!

Keep I hope the smacking is going well! Yes my SIL and folks know about the ivf so I'm not looking forward to this weekend at all, no sir-ee not one bit. I'm still feeling quite down & raw about stuff but I know i'm just going to have to put a brave face and excuse myself out the room or house if things start to get to me! Unfortunately SIL is one of those 'head to the side pitying' types and I hate that as well. In a sense I almost wished I'd never mentioned the ivf to them and I was umming and ahhing about it beforehand for other reasons but sister said I ought to and I only told bro and sil because they were badgering me incessantly about my birthday plans. <slaps on brave face>

Geek how are you doing, lovely? has the spotting stopped? I was going to suggest a trip to the GP too, hope you're ok and good luck with your pre-op appointment on Monday x

Beedle there's no need to be scared about ivf, we're all here to keep your head in check and will be with you every step of the way! The emotional side I think is far worse then any of the injections/pessaries etc. One step at a time is my advice and the first step is your bfp anyway! <joins queue outside Beedle's bathroom>

Sparkes I'm so glad your booking in appointment went well. I may well use the norovirus excuse as a back up plan if needed, thanks!

Face not long to go now for that bfp of yours and you've done so well being patient!

We had our ivf cycle review on wednesday. The consultant we had was really nice and very understanding of all the stress that ivf can cause which I didn't expect at all as I thought the whole thing would be more clinical and he was quite an elderly guy who seemed more concerned about my psyche and mental state, which was really refreshing. It seems like we also may have a diagnosis, the cyst I have on my left ovary they said is almost definitely endometrioma, they were obviously better able to look at it during the egg collection. He gave us 2 options, the first was to carry on with ivf and he said that the cyst wouldn't be a problem this is the bit i'm not convinced about or secondly to have a lap and get rid of cyst and other endometriosis(?) they may find. The problem with the lap is they wouldn't be able start any ivf until 6 months after the procedure, just so that everything has had time to heal. We were quite ready to go ahead with another ivf go before the review but now after talking a fair bit about it and lots of googling may go for the lap. I have read from some quite good sources that endometriosis can reduce the quality of eggs and give out chemicals that can kill sperm, so it would seem we wouldn't really have a chance if we continued with ivf anyway. I have also read that following a lap many women have become pregnant within the next 1-9 months. So it feels that we may have a chance naturally still. The thing is they don't know if it's actually endo and the severity of it until they actually do a lap. So all in all there's a sense of relief in terms of a possible diagnosis but then also a worry about having endo, how bad it may be and what our chances are. At the moment we are thinking of going for a second opinion with a private gynaecologist who specialises in endometriosis.

Gosh, I'm so sorry for the long post, right I need lunch after that!

<Waves to all I haven't name checked>

Geeklette Fri 16-Nov-12 13:46:02

cup I'm so sorry AF arrived for you. Well done you for being able to carry on organising your DH's birthday though! Prague sounds wonderful, I've never been but it was on MrGeek's and my list to visit back in the day when we had cash to spare for things like planning long weekends away. sparks' prague wishes sound fab too, I love coincidences like that, they make such lovely memories as does snow smile

solars wow, your review sounds really positive! Lots of good things, and all knowledge is power. I completely understand your dilemma about the endometrioma, I have one on my left ovary but have decided not to have it operated on as I read research on how it doesn't bring much benefit from an IVF perspective, and my left ovary is such poor quality anyway. They can do so much these days that even a diagnosis of endo isn't the end of the world - brooking that yours gets fully resolved with a lap (if you decide to go with that) and looking forward to your BFP announcement grin

Well, my spotting got worse, yesterday it was like a full-blown AF - light flow, but really heavy clotting. Today it's much lighter, no clotting, so I think it was just my body having a really good clear out. I didn't bother with a GP appointment as I've got my consultant's appt on Monday, but thinking about it we'll only be talking about the op, not my cycles in general. POAOPK this morning as usual and got a positive so I really don't know whether to consider this as AF or whether my cycle is continuing. Somehow I don't think MrGeek will be wanting to take advantage right now if it is a genuine positive!

sparks yes, I was thinking of ditching the CBFM but I paid full whack for it so want to get my money's worth skinflint I also like the reassurance of the peaks, as my OPKs can be a bit varied to say the least!

In other news, a moderately amusing story for you. Our largest cat decided he wanted an early morning cuddle, and crept into bed with us, stretching out between me and the edge of the bed, partly under the duvet. The next thing I knew, the full weight (3.5kg) of terrified feline was hanging by two claws buried deep in my nork - the stoopid thing had somehow managed to fall out of bed and dug deep into the nearest thing to save himself angry

Solars Fri 16-Nov-12 15:36:09

I think it would be worth mentioning the spotting anyway on Monday Geek and yes I had also read (when they first saw my cyst) about the fact that leaving it shouldn't cause any issues if going through ivf, but i'm not sure if that was if it was a simple cyst (which is what they thought it was at the time) or any type of cyst?? Hence the reason we thought we would see a endo specialist and get their opinion and a make a more informed decision. I think it just makes sense in my simple head that having a clear out would probably give things a better chance considering not a hint of a bfp so far anyway confused How are doing with the waiting around? Will they give you an idea of when your op may be on Monday? Claws in your norks you say? that sounds painful, ouchy!!

Geeklette Fri 16-Nov-12 16:04:50

solars I'd be really interested to hear your endo specialist's recommendations, will you post back when you've been please? The waiting here's horrible, but my wacky body has done its best to take my mind off it and give me something else to mental about grin I don't know if I'll get any clue on Monday about when the op will be, it will probably be another case of waiting for a letter to come through. I really, really want it to be before christmas though. I just want to start the new year with my IVF to look forward to, and no more obstacles.

Geeklette Fri 16-Nov-12 16:32:18

PS - yes, I am having a bit of a slack afternoon at work. It's Friday, I've worked hard all week - and boy has it felt like the longest week of the year - and quite frankly, I don't care wink

Princessishavingababyboo Fri 16-Nov-12 19:28:26

cooee everyone, I love all this wedding talk, though I am with you about the fish Sparks I do not like sea food at all, so I will have to have the beef too. now Face will our table be numbered or just labelled crazy brookers wink

Solars that is a lot of information, very helpful too, good luck with your next step.

Cup so sorry that bitch AF got you again, but that is the last time!! brooking no argument.

Geek good luck for your appointment on Monday, brooking they give you a nice quick pre Christmas date.

well not much from me, having email battles with the committee ladies and now have my arm in a splint cos I have hurt the ligaments, I was only boxing ffs grin

happy Friday, hope you all have good rat smacking weekends planned wink

cartoonface Sat 17-Nov-12 00:58:05

Tbh I'm not big on fish either. Apart from fish fingers but I actually liked their fish cakes! The duck option was bloody gorgeous too thou.
Crazy brookers! Right there's one table name just 9 (i think) more names to come up with!
Don't think I've ever posted at this time of night but I am a few cocktails down!

Princessishavingababyboo Sat 17-Nov-12 17:08:44

Face you should have a brookers table, and a pombear, naice ham, and Greggs/fruitshoot tables, see how many of your guests nod knowingly <grin> hope you didn't have a hangover today.

Princessishavingababyboo Sat 17-Nov-12 17:09:23

grin failed sad

My tables were named after the flowers. It was a coincidence that I had the same number of flowers as tables so I took advantage.

My tables were numbered, but this was largely because if we just had numbers the venue were willing to throw in the numbers, seating plan, place settings etc etc that all matched!!

BartletForTeamGB Sat 17-Nov-12 22:36:09

I had my reception in a college dining hall (see FB and the "our wedding" folder but think Harry Potter) so only had three tables (left, middle and right) in front of the top table, where the Fellows would normally sit.

bartlet I'm totes imagining you having a Harry potter themed wedding now grinwink

keepitgoing Sun 18-Nov-12 12:00:36

I'm baaaack!!!

V tired but logged in to check on beedle???

BartletForTeamGB Sun 18-Nov-12 15:21:52

sparks, that would have been great! I could have been dressed up as a witch, DH as Harry Potter, owls to deliver our rings, the catering staff dressed up as house elves, trolls to entertain the children, Butterbeer to drink. Now why didn't I think of this?!?

Princessishavingababyboo Sun 18-Nov-12 15:23:28

grin can we convince you so renew your vows Bartlet it sounds fab!

Princessishavingababyboo Sun 18-Nov-12 20:31:12

Good luck tomorrow Geek smile

BartletForTeamGB Sun 18-Nov-12 21:00:25

Do you all want to come then? We can have a big rat smacker day out!

Princessishavingababyboo Sun 18-Nov-12 21:07:12

Ooh sign me up Bartlet smile

BeedleTheBard Mon 19-Nov-12 05:22:08

keep sorry to disappoint you but there's nothing to report here. I got a bfn yesterday and y boobs aren't sore anymore so I think AF will be here soon.

Bartlet I'll come to the harry potter themed renewal, and I reckon sparks will too grin
How are you? Are you still having lots of scans?

We got our Xmas tree yesterday, its a little baby one that we dug up with the roots so its in a big pot in the garden. If it survives the move we'll bring it inside in a few weeks. DP has already got the boxes of decorations out in anticipation hmm

Is there anyone else testing this week?

Geeklette Mon 19-Nov-12 07:22:10

Ooh bartlet yes please! We can have a game of quidditch at the reception grin

Thanks boo <nervous, and no idea why!>

Got rotten head cold so will probably be cancelling my give blood session tomorrow. Unfortunately, that means going to WW weigh-in after two weeks of being a seriously miserable, drunken cow bad girl

<waves to everyone else, looks around for food to leave but can only see a bowl of apples. Sorry everyone!>

Geeklette Mon 19-Nov-12 07:48:13

<pops back because she wasn't quite sure she heard right>

beedle Christmas? Already?? There are another 12 days to go before December, let alone Christmas! Sorry to hear you think AF is on her way, but rest assured it will be the last one you have for.. oooh... about 9 months smile

BeedleTheBard Mon 19-Nov-12 07:55:09

geek I meant to say good luck for today. And as for the Xmas tree, well we weren't planning on getting one yesterday, but we were at DP's parents summer house (sounds a lot more impressive than it actually is!) and we saw a lovely little xmas tree so we dug it up and brought it home. Its only about a metre tall grin

Geeklette Mon 19-Nov-12 07:56:53

Phew beedle I thought you meant you were so enthusiastic you had deliberately gone out to a christmas tree farm to have your pick!! grin <goes back to refusing to panic about Christmas>

keepitgoing Mon 19-Nov-12 08:17:55

oh beedle that sucks about BFN and stupid AF. I'm not testing for about 10 days. Well actually AF due next Friday (and that's the day I start my IUI cycle) and i never test anymore. But i suppose i might just to check there's no sneaky little embryo in there before i start downing clomid. Eek i just realised how close it is. I need handholding, but also not to get my hopes up that IUI will work, so as i don't get too disappointed at the almost inevitable failure.

And beedle will your little tree be drowned in decorations?! Get MrB to JIAJ before you get to your next ov time. He needs to get a shift on!

geek good to see you! Don't stress about christmas being close. That just means that your op is close too!

sparks and biscuit those posts were so sweet! I too really appreciate you guys and will do so even more if i ever get a bfp! I love to see other brookers' successes, and to go on these journeys with you. Yes, these are difficult times, but this is our thing, girls. This is our hardship, and we all have them.

sparks love the other thread you started btw. Maybe i should send it to my sister... What not to say to a ttc-er!

so back to thailand from stinky India. I will not name my daughter Calcutta now i have been there. Managed lots of rat smacking, and actually got a huge glob of ewcm! I wonder if it's the first time i noticed it because there'd be no swi until that point due to us not being together. maybe normally it all just gets mixed up with sperms or something, whereas this time i knew it wasn't. Anyway, we smacked it right away, so let's hope that was a good sign, and kept those funny shaped swimmers going till my beautiful egg turned up.

why does my boss keep coming in when I'm midway through a mammoth post? idiot!!!

YYYAAAAYYYYY for christmas grin

Solars Mon 19-Nov-12 09:03:08

Ooooo will there be a sorting at at your ceremony Bartlet? brookers & non-brookers perhaps??

Good luck today Geek

Everything crossed for your ironic BFP Keep

Beedle sorry about bfn. Your diddy Xmas tree sounds sweet! Yes get your DH to JIAJ soon!

Solars Mon 19-Nov-12 09:03:35

That was meant to be sorting HAT...

Just wanted to let you all know that I'm still brooking for you! Anyone that is feeling despondent about TTC taking a long time, I want to reassure you that you will get there in the end because you are brookers. Fact. It took about 18 months for me this time, with 2 mcs on the way, so I know what a tough, all-consuming journey it is, but I refuse to admit defeat for any of you!

<Shoves Geek's apples out of the way and leaves liquorice allsorts and wine gums>

keepitgoing Mon 19-Nov-12 13:52:01

Good luck geek! Let us know how it went.

solars!!what's new with you, lovely? Hope you're OK. I think that a second opinion sounds great, as it's a big decision. Hope you can get seen soon.

Lovely to see Bartlett and gen. Whose next up to sneeze out a gorgeous brooking baby?

Princessishavingababyboo Mon 19-Nov-12 14:07:03

Hi Keep we are all staring at Smegs at the mo, due any time now grin

Geeklette Mon 19-Nov-12 15:29:05

Hello ladies, apologies on advance as am on phone but will try to keep my imp fingers to a minimum!

Just got out from my appointment. Seems I am a bit of a mess down thrtr, and the consultant expects to deal with four different things when I have my op. I will habe d&c, ovarian drilling, fibroid investigation and attempted removal of adhesoons.
He will also check during d&c for internal adhesions and fit me with a coil to open me up if necrssary.

Before I can have the op I need another scan, and dependimg on the finfings of that I may need an mri too. Je wants as much info as possible before je opens me up.

Op won't be til feb due to paperwork needing to go back and forth between clinic and nhs. Still a lot quicker than getting the whole thing on nhs though.

He did say that if his investigations find that my fibroid is in any way inside the uterus the op would stop and I would need a full open op at a latrr date to remove it. He said if it's in the uterus at all, that would prevent me carrying a pregnancy.

Oh ladies, I'm trying to put a brave fave on for mrgeek but I feel so broken sad

Missed train back so sat on platform for an hour waiting for the next, so sorry for long me post but wanted to get it all down somewhere befoore I forget it all.

oh Geek you poor love sad I totally understand why you feel like that, but dont feel you have to put on an act for mrgeeks, Im sure he will understand why you feel that way. I don't know what else to say, other than at least they are being thorough, I know your not a huggy person, but <<<hughs>>> if you want to meet up for a coffee or something let me know

Oh Geek.

Right, there are a number of things wrong but now you know and have a plan to sort them.

There is enough brooking power to get through this. With all that treatment your body is going to become the ultimate baby making environment so make the most of these next few months before the op before all the morning sickness, cramp, indigestion, fat bloaterness hits smile

Princessishavingababyboo Mon 19-Nov-12 15:52:51

Goodness Geek what a lot to deal with {{{hugs}}} whether you want them or not!

Well now you have all the info and a plan in place, but what a lot of info to process. Lean on Mr g, you don't have to be brave about it, enjoy Christmas cos next year will be surgery then pregnant!

Geeklette Mon 19-Nov-12 16:01:32

Thank you everyone, you are all really really lovely (and really really riht of course!) I'm on a warm train now so feeling slightly more human again.

sparks i may just take you up on that offer for coffee. If we wait til december I can give my tinsel antlers their first outing of the year smile

Solars Mon 19-Nov-12 16:06:24

Geek you poor love, if it's any consolation I know how you feel as I too feel broken inside with this quite possible endo. But as others have said lean on MrGeek that is what he is there for (MrSolars is being leaned on excessively at the moment) and you shouldn't have to be brave for him, for the outside world perhaps but not for him. You need an outlet or else you could find yourself going to pieces! You have a plan in place with is fantastic so give yourself some time to process everything and don't be too hard on yourself ((hugs))

BartletForTeamGB Mon 19-Nov-12 16:56:05

geek, just coming by to hugs you. Will be brooking.

geek if you're prepared to battle a crowd then I shall introduce you to the delights of the German market grin your antlers will be perfect there!!!

Geeklette Mon 19-Nov-12 17:44:51

Haha sparks you may need one of those coily plastic things that mums put on kids' wrists if they have a tendency to wander!!

All safely back home now, and feeling better for having a coffee inside me. I think half my misery is from feeling under the weather with this head cold, too. Just scared myself silly googling ovarian drilling (consultants' orders - he said read up about it!) but anything that helps is fine by me.

Thank you for the hugs and lovely words sparks, boo, rubber, solars and bartlet. I don't know what I would do without you lovely ladies to keep me sane grin

solars you are so luck with MrSolars, it is wonderful that you can lean on him like that. Unfortunately, MrGeek is a worrier even worse than me and would look to me to reassure him - I'd rather not have that added pressure just now. Thankfully I have this fred where I can vent and be scared. And I am a Brooker, and am Brooking No Argument that everything will be fine smile

Solars Mon 19-Nov-12 21:24:07

Geek yes of course all will be fine. We've found a consultant now who we're going to see hopefully soon, so will let you know what he says about the endo cyst! Hope you and MrGeek have a nice evening despite the worries, hugs to you both.

I'm ok Keep, thanks for asking, think I've ovulated over the weekend which is a few days later than normal but i half expected it to be late due to the ivf so I'm in the 2ww and hoping for an ironic BFP as we've been quite relaxed and not really believing it will happen anyway due to possible endo. When does your DH get back now?

Waves to Gen hope all is well lovely.

Sparkes I love your thread by the way and had quite a few of those said to me within the last week or so!

Missing all those lurking, hope you're all well!

keepitgoing Tue 20-Nov-12 02:39:08

Oh geek lovely, I’m sorry I wasn’t around last night, stupid time-zones. But of course all the other lovelies rallied. What a lot you are going to have done, and what a lot to think about. It sounds as though you have an excellent consultant, not willing to go in without the right info – imagine if they rushed in and then had to do a repeat op. I know you’ve been working yourself up to the ICSI for so long, and had hoped to do it last month, so this must be very frustrating for you. We are here brooking for you all the way. Does anyone in real life, apart from mrgeek obviously, know about all this? If not would you consider confiding in a friend as this is very difficult for you, especially if you don’t feel able to be leaning on mrgeek. Just a thought. I think sparks is close, so she may have to do smile

Ooh solars I am brooking for your ironic bfp in under 2 weeks then. That’s good you’ve gone back to normal so quickly, only a few days late.

As for me, I am mental. 7dpo and I seemed to have a bit of blood this morning, which I never do at this time. Please don’t let me get any hopes up as I am trying to get my head round starting clomid and IUI next week. And me being me it’s almost certainly nothing.

I cannot believe smegs is up next – I suppose she did miss part of her pregnancy with the whole HSG-thing grin. Good luck, smegs, if you’re reading (sorry I can’t come over to ante-natal…)

BeedleTheBard Tue 20-Nov-12 05:30:15

geek I'm sorry, nothing's ever simple is it? Why can't we just have sex a couple of times and get pregnant like other people do???? Sorry you have to wait until Feb, but your doc sounds really thorough. And think how shiny and perfect you'll be inside after the op, what embryo wouldn't want to spend 9 months there? grin

I also can't believe that smegs is next, though she did cheat and miss 4 weeks of her pregnancy shock

Yeah for ovulation solars and for your imminent post-ivf, pre-Christmas, we've-been-relaxing, ironic BFP grin

Well I've managed a longer cycle than last month which I'm rather pleased about, 22 days just felt a bit too short, currently on CD24, so I imagine the witch will be here tomorrow.

keep hope you're not feeling too lonely now your back without DH. WHen me and DP were living in different countries I always thought it was easier when I went to see him as I was used to being at home without him. Whereas when he came to see me and then went again my flat felt suddenly really empty. Hope you've got lots of things to keep you occupied till he comes home

keepitgoing Tue 20-Nov-12 06:00:32

beedle you're right. It's easier to visit i think. But it's only two weeks, and I may be going to go to the beach next weekend anyway (IUI and AF depending) so not long at all really. Will keep myself busy. Interesting to hear about your longer cycle... wink but i think either way a longer cycle is good (not too long, though, eh geek) How long did you and mrb do long distance? we did it many years ago before living together and i absolutely hated it.

BeedleTheBard Tue 20-Nov-12 07:15:51

keep I completely missed your implantation bleeding earlier shock Brooking that its not just AF making early entrance. I am also being mental, as I'm feeling very crampy but with no signs of blood - obviously I must be updiffed hmm
Me and MrB did the long distance thing for years, mainly because I thought he should invite me to live here with him - then I gave up and told him I was moving here grin Although part of me thinks it would have been nicer if I'd moved earlier, a lot of things worked a lot better because I moved when I did - his job, my language skills and therefore my ability to get a job.

I'm sure 2 weeks will fly by especially seeing as you've got a trip to the beach to look forward to.

keepitgoing Tue 20-Nov-12 07:29:02

god, we don't learn do we. Do you know when you ovulated? i can't remember if you use ov sticks or cbfm etc. I am brooking like crazy that your test tomorrow will show it up! mine is just some slightly pink tinged cm. ARGH. I am not going to say anything to dh. i am not, i am not, i am not. <bad at keeping a secret emoticon but not wanting to get his hopes up too>

sometimes you just have to tell it to men straight - no waiting around. my DH took 7 years to propose shock (we were only 18 when we got together though...)

Geeklette Tue 20-Nov-12 07:59:46

solars that is brilliant news that your cycles are almost back to normal so soon after IVF. Brooking for your ironing bfp to completely disprove the endo theory.

keep my sweet, you have nothing to apologise for. We Brookers are a multi-national, worldwide secret organisation and time differences are just one of those things grin Pink tinged CM you say? At 7 DPO? That is exciting! I know what you mean though, you don't want to say anything to raise expectations, it's hard enough to have your own shattered. With clomid and IUI just around the corner, maybe try concentrating on getting yourself prepared for that. However, I am brooking that your plan has scared your body into behaving itself and this is the start of your BFP! So jealous of you being able to go to the beach. It's raining here, with a weather warning of high winds.

beedle congrats on having a longer-than-22-days cycle, there is always a chance until the red lady sings, and she hasn't sung for you yet!

I too am shock that smegs is up next - she was my first brooking BFP (I was kind of around for fluff's, but only lurking).

keep your advice to talk to someone in real life is excellent advice. Unfortunately for sparks, she may have drawn the short straw as I haven't told anyone in real life, other than two (male) work colleagues as I work very closely with them and they were so concerned when I said I needed to have hospital appointments. None of my few and far spread out family members know. The only time I have planned to tell my mum is if when IVF is successful and I can give her good news. I am an only child, so her only hopes for grandchildren rest with me. We've never talked about me not having kids, I think she has just come to the conclusion over the years that it was through choice. She makes a lot of fuss over her sister's grandchildren and sometimes it's easier to think something is off the cards, than tried for and not happened if that makes any sense whatsoever.

Right, time to sort trains out and pull myself together for work. Looking forward to telling dink-boss I need thursday morning off, not to mention a couple of weeks next feb when our software is due to be going live grin

Geeklette Tue 20-Nov-12 08:00:21

erm... solars I did of course mean you ironic BFP, not your ironing BFP...

keepitgoing Tue 20-Nov-12 08:12:27

what, geek! i thought your software was going live in oct, then nov, following your ICSI plans... I understand you not telling your mother, and it does very much depend on the situation and your relationship. Just make sure that you have the support you need; and sometimes people you might not think of first actually turn out to be amazing. You will need someone around post-op so hope mrgeek can be there.

An ironing BFP. Would that come from multitasking while smacking the rat?!

Geeklette Tue 20-Nov-12 08:13:50

keep yeah, the latest date is 18th January, but rumbles in the jungle from the four (count 'em!) project managers are that that is now unrealistic and it is likely to go back even further grin grin grin

BeedleTheBard Tue 20-Nov-12 08:52:13

hmm it seems my crampy feelings were in fact just period pain. Oh well 23 days is better than 22. Now I can suggest to MrB that he books his JIAJ appointment, to be followed by reminding him, nagging him and finally beating him into submission grin

keepitgoing Tue 20-Nov-12 09:19:55

dammit beedle, but give him the deadline of before your ov this month - so a week, given your cycles!! Hope you have an ok day. CD1 always sucks.

BeedleTheBard Tue 20-Nov-12 09:33:22

Unfortuneatly before OV won't work - he won't be able to get an early morning appointment at that short notice, and rat-smacking in earnest will start around CD7. So I'll work out when Cd17 is and tell him to make an appointment after that - to give him time for 3 days build up grin

I feel fine really, despite being convinced every month that I am pregnant hmm, after 20-something cycles AF turning up is more oh FFS than tears and depression

keepitgoing Wed 21-Nov-12 04:36:14

well we were quite for the rest of yesterday!!

beedle that should give him plenty of time to get it sorted, and having to make an appointment gives him no chance to back out. I know what you mean about lack of tears etc. But you should still do something nice when AF arrives, as a consolation, I think.

well i'm off to try a new type of language class after work today, ladies. I am finding the language quite hard, but have enough to order food, buy and bargain at the market etc. However, with my job ending at christmas and nothing sorted for next year i am thinking i might step up the pace. I am not bothered about not continuing in this job, but will want something to distract me in my pregnancy or IVF! smile

Not long till christmas, is it! has anyone done any christmas shopping yet? i have done zip/zilch/nada. Will send pressies home with my brother, who's visiting over xmas, though, so have a while longer. Has anyone bought any brilliant pressies yet? i LOVE it when you get something you know the person will love.

Princessishavingababyboo Wed 21-Nov-12 07:35:08

Keep I have got my DH some spider man pj's grin

Keep I've done alllllllll of mine grin how organised am I?!!
This year I've bought mrsparks a chopping board and an xbox game, but I'm sure there will be some pants and socks somewhere too!! oh and then theres the AMAZING pirate ship Ive bought my nephew grin

I go wild at christmas, I love it!!!

I've just gotta sort out my secret santa present and then Im completely done.

Decs up 1st december

keepitgoing Wed 21-Nov-12 08:19:25

sparks that's crazy, how have you done all that without puking all over it A chopping board hmm
i like the PJs, boo though we don't need them wink
christmas decorations - i forgot about them. will need to go shopping for them and see what i can find, thai-styleee!

have just realised i lied and have already bought my niece loads - she is so cute and easy to buy for, not like grown ups.

I don't want a lot for Christmas.... All i want for christmas is....
BFPS FOR ALL THE BROOKERS
oh god i said that last year too minus for all the brookers part as i didnt know you all yet

Keep The wonders of amazon and in laws will to accept deliveries at all times of the day grin also I started mine in september [crazy smiley].... actually I think Ive had my mums since august!!!

I love the idea of a thai christmas tree, will def need photos

Kids are way more fun than buying for boring adults!!!

I'd like BFPs for the brookers for christmas too!!
Last christmas i declared it was the last christmas without a baby

oh and the chopping board is because he is obsessed with these but always says he cant justify them himself!!

It does make me hmm because up until a few weeks ago I did all of the cooking!!!!

keepitgoing Wed 21-Nov-12 08:53:33

well that was true for you, sparks! you have a baby, it's just very very small. Does it look like anything yet, or will it by christmas?

keepitgoing Wed 21-Nov-12 08:55:35

i take it back, that chopping board set it awesome, and very hygenic! Good mrsparks, stepping into the breach and cooking. Bodes well.
Ta ra for now, am leaving work soonish.

thats what Im saying
last year I said it was going to be my last christmas without a baby, so this year Im putting all my christmas miracle magic into saying that all brookers will have BFPs!!! (tis cus I still believe in christmas that I get so much magic)

It actually looks pretty much like a baby already, well from what the book says, I'll be around the 15 week mark by christmas shock at the moment all I can see is a belly overhang, but then thats cus I havent pulled my tights all the way up!!!

BeedleTheBard Wed 21-Nov-12 09:02:57

I've planned a load of Xmas presents, but in terms of actually buying them I think its only my own (from DP) that has actually been ordered (by me!), I'm sure he'll get me some nice surprises too. I've mainly got stuff sitting in my amazon basket to bump up the total cost to over £25 so I can get free delivery if I see anything nice in the black friday deals. So far I've only seen 2 things I wanted to get, neither of which I suceeded with. but I'm hoping for better stuff later in the week grin

I'm also wishing for lots of BFPs under the Xmas tree - which is why we got one so early - there's more time for me to find one lurking there grin

ah beedle you make an awesome christmas tree point!! you best hang your stocking early too, just in case!!

Geeklette Wed 21-Nov-12 13:23:22

Tut tut ladies, we still have a week and a bit of November yet, how can you all be thinking of Christmas so early? I'm still getting over Hallowe'en! That said, I have just received the last of three parcels containing MrGeek's christmas presents. He's getting a telescope, a breadmaker and a t-shirt. My parents are probably going to get magazine subscriptions for their presents as they are easy to send through the post.

Aargh I've just remembered I have to make my dad's birthday card in order to get it in the post for Friday morning <too much to do emoticon>

Princessishavingababyboo Wed 21-Nov-12 15:08:01

<wraps Geek in tinsel and fairy lights, puts star on her head>

It IS Christmas, Coca Cola and Join Lewis say so grin

Geeklette Wed 21-Nov-12 16:28:34

Eek! At least you didn't shove a christmas tree up my bum boo !!!

Princessishavingababyboo Wed 21-Nov-12 16:48:04

I still could Geek wink

Solars Wed 21-Nov-12 18:42:27

You lot are like little kiddies talking about Christmas already!!

I am unbelievably shattered!! I have been looking after niece (nearly 3) and nephew (6) since 11am this morning and they've only just left!! Wow talk about exhausting me out, and then they didn't want to leave, thankfully they're back at school tomorrow so had to go home tonight! It was a lot of fun and we were writing their Xmas lists too. My niece made me write I want all things that girls have in brackets dolls, nail varnish, barbie, dresses, it was so sweet!

Nice chopping board Sparkes

Well I've received all our notes from our ivf clinic which is great so we are free to go elsewhere now if do carry on with ivf. We also have our second opinion gynae consultation on saturday which will give us hopefully a better idea on which direction to go! Sorry it's a little me, me, me but I think I need a drink and a little lie down now!

BeedleTheBard Thu 22-Nov-12 05:15:10

geek its a good thing you're not living here, I've been home late twice this week and each time I've found that DP has been hanging random bits of tinsel around the house. I was planning on going to the gym tonight but I'm a bit scared that the explosion in a tinsel factory look will spread out of the lounge grin

solars small children are quite exhausting really, it makes you wonder why we're all so desperate to have one grin

keepitgoing Thu 22-Nov-12 06:16:38

solars that's great news that you've already got a consultation booked for saturday. Make sure you have the trusty list of questions, and that one of you makes some notes so you don't forget what was said. (or come and tell us straight after, that's like taking notes!). Also well done on getting your notes. Do you have thoughts of where you think you'll go? i can't remember where you are.

girls, i had a bit more pinky/brown cm on wiping (sorry) this morning. If it's not the fabled implantation bleeding which seems highly unlikely given that a) i don't seem able to get pregnant and b)not that many people get it anyway, what could it be? should i be worried of an infection or something? no other symptoms of one.

beedle that sounds like a perfect excuse not to go to the gym. Mine is potential implantation bleeding. So i will only swim until next week as that's fairly gentle, isn't it?

and WOO HOO for sparks' power over christmas wishes. Babies all round by next christmas, thanks sparkly. Gosh, it's not long till your scan now, is it. WOOPOO

boo where are you up to now? how big is boobette (any better?)

i just had the best NE Thai lunch. Spicy salads, sticky rice and tamarind chicken.

keep where are you cycle wise?

Scan is a week on Saturday smile

keepitgoing Thu 22-Nov-12 06:45:30

I am cd23, i got a peak last tuesday (so maybe 8 or 9dpo), and would expect AF next Thursday-ish (long LP).

Geeklette Thu 22-Nov-12 07:03:09

Uurgh been a long time since I've had to get up this early!

solars excellent news on your appointment, and on getting your notes - good luck. Do you have a folder? I forgot to mention the last time folders were being discussed, I have a blue posh see-through one grin Glad you had a lovely time with the little ones, they are truly exhausting though! At least babies break you in gently, starting off with sleepless nights and building up to sleepless nights and being horribly active all day!

beedle surely it's illegal to put tinsel up so early? I too would def use that as an excuse not to go to the gym not that I would ever go to the gym anyway!

keep Thailand really sounds like it suits you, is it just 12 months you are out there for? I can't advise on the spotting, but it is at the perfect time for it to be you-know-what, and just because it's not that common doesn't mean it won't happen to you iykwim?

Got scan this morning so no food, no milky drinks, and 2 litres of water to make me nice and uncomfortable grin I've been promised an O'Neill's lunch to make up for it before I have to go back to work.

Dink boss and Dink boss's dinkier boss are both on permanent fishing trips trying to work out what is 'wrong' with me. Yesterday's effort from DB's DB was 'have you been losing weight? Is it intentional?' Is it really wrong of me to be enjoying not telling them as much as I am ?

keepitgoing Thu 22-Nov-12 07:13:08

ooh geek i forgot about that - masses of luck for today's scan, and look forward to hearing about it. I would tell them to butt the f* out. Also, thank you for your measured answer about the you-know-what.

BeedleTheBard Thu 22-Nov-12 07:15:38

keep I agree with geek just because its not common doesn't mean it won't happen to you. Having said that, 1 month this year I randomly had about 5 days of spotting before AF turned up (I never get pre-AF spotting). i wasn't pregnant, I'm not sure what happened that month I think it was just another way for my body to keep me guessing hmm
So it might be something or it might be nothing - hope that helps grin

geek good luck with the scan, and with crossing your legs after drinking 2l of water. How rude are your dink bosses?? Keep them guessing, and then hopefully (but unlikely) they'll feel really bad if they ever do find out the truth.

Princessishavingababyboo Thu 22-Nov-12 07:34:47

Geek good luck with your scan today, and enjoy your lunch. I would let db and db's db sweat it out a bit longer smile

Keep Brooking for you, that is all.

Solars good news on getting your notes, good luck with choosing your clinic.

Boobino is 17 weeks now, all going well smile

BeedleTheBard Thu 22-Nov-12 07:54:52

boo 17 weeks how did that happen shock Will you be finding out before Christmas if its a girl booby or a boy booby, or will it stay a surprise booby? grin

keepitgoing Thu 22-Nov-12 08:06:50

yes, are you feeling well and 'glowing' now, boo giving hope to sparks Are the kids getting more excited now, as assume you are showing? Eek!

Princessishavingababyboo Thu 22-Nov-12 08:40:17

I have my 20 week scan on the 17th Dec, and I'm afraid you will all just have to wait for the big sneeze to find out what I have smile feeling so much better now, dare I say I am starting to glow a bit well my spotty skin is clear for the first time in about 3 months toddly is having great fun poking my bump saying he is poking the new baby's bum, he also said it is a girl baby hmm teen boo is 15 therefore not bothered at all by the baby <tut>

So it's nearly the weekend, what do we all have planned???

keepitgoing Thu 22-Nov-12 09:00:17

i bet he is but just not showing his excitement, boo, as that wouldn't be cool, y'know!

Geeklette Thu 22-Nov-12 09:54:14

Quick update from my scan, they don't think the fibroid is inside the womb so that is a huge relief. The cyst is definitely on my bad ovary, leaving me a good one, which is an even bigger relief. The fibroid and cyst have both grown but not to worrying proportions. Wasn't my cons doing the scan, it was another doctor. He took pics and measurements which will be forearded to my cons. Hopefully my cons will be happy with what he sees and I won't need an mri scan too. Roll on getting my op date.

Boo how the hell are you 17 weeks already???

BeedleTheBard Thu 22-Nov-12 10:11:06

sounds like good news geek do you think the op might be a sooner if you don't need the MRI scan?

Geeklette Thu 22-Nov-12 10:13:38

Don't think so beedle, the letter said I am on the 18 week NHS pathway so reckon Feb is pretty lucky. will just have to wait for the letter I suppose!

Right, off to o'neills in a few minutes for a slap up meal, then work for the afternoon sad

Geek Thats great news!!! So glad things are looking a bit better!! Thats the power of brooking for you!!!
Enjoy lunch, make Mrgeek pay grin

Princessishavingababyboo Thu 22-Nov-12 11:24:55

Ooh Geek that all sounds very good, so pleased you have some good news at last! smilesmile

Solars Thu 22-Nov-12 11:59:58

Geek that's a lot of positives there, so glad all went well. Do you just wait for your op date now or do you have to see your consultant again? And yes I have a folder it is clear on the front with purply, bluey, greeny dividers! It goes with me to all my appointments! By the way how did you cope with the full bladder? When you go for ET you have to have a full bladder which wasn't that bad for me but when I was delayed by 45mins it was a little uncomfortable to say the least!

Keep interesting developments there at 8/9dpo, lots of brooking for you! Yes my list of questions is compiling in my head at the moment, will put it down on paper soon and of course will update you all too. We were thinking of ARGC if we do go for ivf, we are just north of London and plus they have a satellite clinic not far from us that I can get all the scans and bloods done during the cycle, rather than going in to central London, which is helpful.

Boo where has the 17 weeks gone??! shock

Beedle I am now picturing your home with random bits of tinsel all over the place hmm Perhaps it will culminate into a beautiful piece of decoration by the time your DH has finished with it!

Sweetie if you're out there, hope all is well, I could be wrong but I recall you having an appointment at the end of November?? In any case I'm brooking for you and all other lurkers out there!

BeedleTheBard Thu 22-Nov-12 12:35:26

Yep solars that's about right. My dad does this too, how has MrB suddenly turned into my dad <crys>

keepitgoing Thu 22-Nov-12 15:45:49

Yay geek!! Just so you know, it must be 18 weeks from when the referral was made, to when treatment is. Wasn't your referral some time ago...? Exciting!! What's O'Neill, is it like weatherspoon? Classy smile

solars I read great things about argc, and how fan there's a local clinic as I understand they do bloods up to twice a day!! Anyway, see how Saturday goes.

Also have a feeling maybe was having an appt soon. Lurkers, don't forget us!!

I invited someone on another thread onto here, as she said she always thought of cd1 as day 1 of her pregnancy. You're a brookee, I said. Maybe she thought me crazy <rejected>

12 days till mrK is home!

Night all, will be brooking in my sleep for us all. X

Geeklette Thu 22-Nov-12 17:39:31

keep it's like an Irish version of wetherspoons - amazing menus! Drool away Unfortunately because I needed a separate referral to a separate hospital (though same consultant) for this operation compared to my IVF referral, the 18 weeks started ticking just two weeks ago. I don't think it's cast in stone anyway, it's just a 'do our best' guideline as I understand it.

sparks MrG did indeed pay, but t'was only right, since he had the whole day off work and I had to go in for the afternoon grin

yay boo how long have I been waiting for some good news eh? <dances boo round to see her booby bounce>

solars the full bladder wasn't too bad today, in fact I was a bit worried it wouldn't be full enough as even though I'd had 2 litres of water it was only over the space of about an hour and a half, since the appointment was at 9am. When I did my trial transfer, I was able to do much better as I was able to drink about 3 litres over four hours or so though it hurt like billio and I was terrified of losing control of it while they were doing the trial Loving the sound of your folder, very posh indeed!

beedle any development on tinselgate today?

I've been reading about vitamin C and vitamin D to reduce the size of fibroids, so might give that a go since it's increased almost a centimetre in length in just two months.

How's the weather where everyone is? It's horribly wild and woolly out here tonight, so pleased I don't need to go out again.

Brooking for maybe, scarlett, sweetie, and all the other brookers present, lurking and graduated.

keepitgoing Fri 23-Nov-12 02:04:26

It's not cast in stone, geek, (since the Tories came in) but it is still 'expected'. So i would think that unless they are in a majorly f***ed up period that they will come through on it. Yes, you can have multiple clocks ticking at the same time for different issues.

i hated having to have a full bladder for my NHS didlo-cam. Interestingly i have already have one done here (unplanned, they just did it at the consultant appt) and they didn't need it. Perhaps the NHS take pleasure in pain...

the weather? about 30 degrees and sunny. grin

happy friday! i am seeing old friends tonight i've not seen in five years! smile they do have a 6 month old though (sigh) so i am expecting questions about when we want kids, and will have to point out job situation etc. which is all true but not stopping us trying, clearly.

Geeklette Fri 23-Nov-12 07:38:31

keep I was told they needed an empty bladder for the dildocam, in fact mine wasn't quite empty enough so was casting a shadow where she was trying to look so had to empty it (again)! Seems it's just the external scan and TT/ET they need a full bladder for. So jealous of your weather sad

Sorry for short post, was up really late this morning so rushing round like a mad thing.

BeedleTheBard Fri 23-Nov-12 08:19:21

I also got sent to have a wee before my dildo cam!

Weather here is grey and wet and windy about 5 deg. not jealous at all of 30 deg Though we might get some snow next weekend grin

Tinselgate doesn't appear to have increased, probably because we're still missing one of the boxes of decorations.

The boss is sick today so I'll be spending the day getting bargains from Amazon grin

keepitgoing Fri 23-Nov-12 08:46:54

you're all right, of course. i had the external bit done while bursting for a wee, then the internal bit was ok. <stands corrected>

ooh, snow!! i love snow... Happy bargain hunting beedle

Morning,

Sorry I've disappeared again for a bit. Winter is always crazy at my work, as it's bronchiolitis season (*Olives*will know what I mean) plus I'm doing a few extra shifts for Christmas money.

I've read back a few times but my brain is all fuzzy so forgive me if I miss anything blush

Geek fab news from the latest scan, I was so pleased to read about that after your previous posts. Hope you are feeling ok. Am brooking for a op date very soon.

Sweetie how are you doing? Are you starting to get ready for Christmas?

Solars well done on getting all your noted and a quick appointment. It sounds like you and MrS have got some big decisions to make. I hope this appointment helps you make this decision. How are you feeling about it all? I have read that ARGG has some of the best success rates on the fertility forums.

Beedle sorry to hear AF turned up, I was really hoping you would be our next BFP. I'm loving MrBeedles Christmas spirit grin I always put my decorations up 2 weeks before Christmas. However I've decided to risk ridicule & put them up on the 1st this year blush. As I don't get any holiday over Christmas I always feel its all over too quick. I've got 4 days holiday the week of the 10th so I'm going to be wrapping all my presents/getting prepared then so I want the house to feel all Christmassy.

Keep lovely to have you back although I'm very sorry to hear you have gone off the name Calcutta. Not long now till your pre treatment ironic BFP!
Good luck with your friends later. Last week we were seeing some friends with kids for a couple of hours as they were in manchester for the day. I got all worked up before hand as I was anticipating insensitive remarks re ttc etc. They didn't say a thing & they didn't go on & on & on about their kids & they seemed truly interested in what we had been up to. It was very refreshing. Hoping you have a similar experience grin

Sparks loving your Prague stories! I've also been before about 5 years ago. We went with about 12 uni friends (a lot of the same friends who are going again this time). It was one of my favourite holidays ever. How are you feeling? When is your scan?

Boo glad to hear you are finally glowing thanks to Booby. Can't believe how far along you are already!

We have received some more info from the IVF clinic. We have to wait till day 1 of my next period to call & arrange for more blood tests & fannycam. DH has to give a blood test & SA, I've no idea what his blood test is for. I'm on cd 7 so it's going to be a few weeks before I can make an appointment. The letter went onto say that from this results they will decide if you need any assisted conception & contact you. If not you will be discharged hmm. Also there is a section about if you are accepted your pct will then make a final decision about funding. All in all a not very hope inducing letter sad I am now worried they will so they can't find anything wrong so keep trying naturally or that the pct will refuse to fund it.

Keep/geek I had to go to my dildo cam appt with a full bladder cus they did a bog standard ultrasound first, then I had to get up go to the loo then they did the other scan (not while I was on the loo obvs)

Cup Yes it was one of my favourite city breaks, until I will to Edinburgh which I loved but obvs Prague was much much cheaper!!! I thought I was getting better, I had 2 really good days, still whoozy but better, then yesterday it all went down hill and I just feel gross again!! Scan is week saturday grin bricking it though!!!

Hope my other brookers are well.

little update from maybe she's ok just taking a bit of a step back (hope she doesnt mind me telling you this) she has a HSG booked for monday, I think.

BeedleTheBard Fri 23-Nov-12 11:31:13

cupcakes how can they turn you down on the basis of a few blood tests? Didn't you have to wait for over 2 years of trying just to get the referral (or am I getting muddled up?) And as for your PCT being able to just turn round and say no shock
But don't worry, you're a brooker and there's no way they would dare to turn you down <puts on stern face ready to stand up to those decision-makers>

And on a lighter note, I think its normal to put the decorations up on the 1st here, as everyone has advent candles to burn on the 4 sundays of advent. I have an advent calender too of course grin

Yep Beedle it been over 2 years just to get this point. Your right I'm a brooker & they better not turn me down if they know what's good for them angry I've just rung my doctor friend. She has told me (nicely) to pull myself together. She says it sounds like a generic letter that everyone gets to her and she said if the pct are going to refuse funding then at least I will know relatively soon instead of being in this limbo. She is right I would much rather know whether its what I want to hear or not.

Right I feel much better now, especially as I have your approval to put my decs up early Beedle grin

Sparks it will be fine my dear, we are all brooking like mad for Saturday. What time is the scan? I'm working but will try to sneak outside at some point to get 3G to check on you. Sorry to hear your feeling rubbish again, glad you had a few good days at least.

Lots of love and brooking to Maybe, Scarlett and Imps

Geeklette Fri 23-Nov-12 13:19:41

cup if it gives you any confidence, letters and forms had to pass back and forth between my GP, NHS consultant and the PCT funding body in advance of my being accepted by my IVF clinic. Not so sure about the bloods, but brooking that everything goes at it should in order to give you a speedy referral/appointment.

maybe lovely, thinking of you but totally understand you needing to take a step back. Good luck with the HSG. Come back to us when you are ready, we'll all be brooking for you in the meantime.

sparks two whole days of feeling better eh? If you hadn't have felt worse on day three what are the chances you would have been on here saying you were worried because you didn't feel sick? wink Good luck with your scan, not long to go now!!!

beedle oh wow, I haven't seen advent candles since Blue Peter used to do the ones out of wire coat hangers and tinsel!

All good here, apart from going down with another cold the day after I thought I was over the first! Oh well, gets it out of the way in advance of all the Christmas parties grin Tis cold but sunny here today, and for some reason my work have decided that despite the puddles and wet pavements today is the day they are going to do some leaf blowing. Cracking plan! No promise of snow for us yet, but I am a brooker and I refuse to take no for an answer.

keepitgoing Fri 23-Nov-12 14:27:31

'Why don't you just have a baby while you're here? Don't leave it too late, its really tiring. He was a one time drunken accident. My best friend is 3 months GP she got married in August and started trying right away'.

Dear reader, I lied. Said we'd think about it soon, now is an unstable time.

cup they will NOT turn you down. End of.

BeedleTheBard Fri 23-Nov-12 14:48:38

Sorry about that keep sometimes it is so much easier to smile and lie. Hope it wasn't baby talk the whole time

Geek I fear that you might know me too well I wasnt saying anything about lack of symptoms to the graduate brookers, honest

I wonder if you use the same leaf blowing company that we do, they were doing it yesterday hmm in all that rain?!?! and when his little leaf blower failed be got his snow shovel out, no word of a lie he was scrapping the leaves of the pavement!!!

Keep I wonder whether in the years to come she'll enjoy telling her son that!!!

"No honey, you weren't conceived out of love, you were conceived because your mummy got pissed and can't keep her knickers up when she's had a barcadi breezer"

ahhh how the family will bond over that story!!

Where are you will be able to tell you child (because you will have one) that they came to be because they were much loved and much wanted, you had to wait for the absolute perfect baby to arrive!!

oh and Im not saying that your friend doesnt want/love her child, its just 'drunken accident' isnt something I would brag about!!

keepitgoing Fri 23-Nov-12 15:59:43

Thanks all, I'm OK and it wasn't all baby talk. Most was lovely.

8 days sparkly and twinkle!!

Solars Fri 23-Nov-12 16:38:18

Cupcakes lovely to see you back but sorry work is getting in the way of your MNing must put a stop to that I think the bloods for DH are perhaps the HIV, hep B & C? It's good that things are moving on for you and I am sure they won't refuse your ivf! Unless of course you become pg, which would be the only reason they would. In all honesty I'm not feeling too good about it all, I really want the consultant to say to me tomorrow "oh yes I performed a lap a couple of months ago to get rid of someone's endo cyst and she's just informed me that she's pregnant" hmm I really hope they can give us a realistic chance either way.

Oh no my folder is not posh, I think it was a cheapo one from Rymans Geek. Just to add on the full bladder debate when I had my ET I too was terrified of losing control and at one point the nurse rested a lamp against my inner thigh and the warmth made me believe, for a good minute at least, that I had in fact relieved myself how embarrassing if I had The vitamins sound like a good idea by the way.

Hope you got lots of bargains today Beedle

That's a lovely thing to say to your child that they were much wanted and loved Sparkes hope you're doing we'll.

Keep I find the smiling and lying works best a lot of the time too, although I have to admit it is getting more difficult these days! We had those statements when we were in our year out in Darwin and a couple of people actually said "apparently everyone who comes to Darwin gets pregnant, there's something in the water you know" well we obviously didn't drink enough of it!!

Right my list is all ready now just hoping to hear some good things from the consultant now!

Oh yes if you're lurking Maybe, Sweetie & Scarlett hugs

keepitgoing Sat 24-Nov-12 03:30:08

solars sorry you're not feeling too good about things at the moment. I am brooking like mad for your appointment today. Hope you're having the essential brunch/lunch to dissect it all afterwards with dh smile

maybe good luck for the hsg. You're having the vf though, so I thought they didn't bother. X

Solars Sat 24-Nov-12 15:23:55

As promised I'll update you all on our consultation this morning. We had a long discussion about my ivf cycle, the endometrioma and the 2 options we were given by the clinic, either go straight away for another ivf cycle with the endo still there or a lap and waiting 6 months to start ivf again.

Firstly, he said that I wouldn't have to wait for 6 months for ivf if I go for the lap, I would be good to go within a few weeks, the ovaries can heal quite well with the plasma technique he would perform on it. He did a scan and said it was a classic chocolate cyst what a difference it makes to getting seen by a consultant with 35 years of experience and a nurse who first said it was a simple cyst!! We also saw my corpus luteum. There may also be other bits of endo present which he wouldn't be able to see unless he does a lap.

He recommended doing the lap so that we can start with a clean sheet and give ourselves the best chance possible, which is exactly as I thought. So the up shot is we're going to go for the lap, hopefully in a couple of weeks. I'm halfway through my 2ww so we thought we would wait for my next cycle just in case of a brooking miracle that I get my BFP in the next week or so!

Keep sorry we didn't go for the obligatory brunch/lunch post mortem as we had other chores to get back to at home! Is it about a week left 'til your DH gets home now?

Hope everyone else is well and having a good weekend so far x

keepitgoing Sat 24-Nov-12 15:56:15

What great news, solars!! Am brooking of course for bfp in the interim, but if not what a brilliant plan!! When will you go to ivf clinics to look round, after the op?

Am so happy for you! Did you talk any if with this lovely doc.

Riots here today but I'm safe and sound, staying well away.

keepitgoing Sat 24-Nov-12 16:02:07

Talk any ivf, rather...

That sounds like a really positive appointment Solars - I am so pleased you seem to have found someone who knows what they're talking about! May I ask if you've gone private for this or is it NHS? Is the chap an endo specialist or can he do IVF too? It sounds like a really positive plan in any event (not that you'll be able to have that lap anyway because you'll be staring open mouthed at a positive pregnancy test!)

So in theory you could be looking at IVF in the new year, not that you'll need it?

Solars Sat 24-Nov-12 21:44:14

Keep riots? that sounds scary, stay safe! We did talk about ivf with the consultant, he was quite shocked that they only let us have 1 go on the NHS. He highly recommended ARGC. We were talking this evening about whether we should send off the registration form now as their website said it could take 4-6 weeks for an appointment but we may wait until the procedure is carried.

Biscuits lovely, this was private, as just conscious of my age and not wanting to be frustrated by timescales with the NHS. This is one of the areas the consultant specialises in and he doesn't do ivf anymore but as I said he does recommend ARGC. Yes hopefully we can get started in the new year. Hope all is well with you.

This afternoon we've had another complication to our fertility issues. We received a letter from the ivf clinic today reviewing our cycle and some of you may recall that at our egg collection some of DH's sperm didn't survive the 'spinning' and we had to go for 'emergency' ICSI, well it turns out that they they think this quite likely to do with antisperm antibody. The letter did go on to say that this shouldn't effect natural conception?? Dr Google however says it depends on the % of antibodies Now we're not sure about whether we should get DH's sperm tested??! It may give us a a better idea of our chances naturally?? Not sure now hmm May try and speak to the clinic about this on Monday??

It just feels like its one thing after another now but I guess it's good in a sense that it hopefully means it's giving us some sort of answers to our issues of natural conception not being easy for us. However I'm a brooker and I'm not going to let this stop us and looking at it as a step closer to getting our baby. <looks to the skies for a brooking miracle, please!>

I think I totally would have gone private if I were you also solars just because the whole waiting game just adds to the stress of it all (and it's not like it isn't stressful enough as it is!). How nice to have the appt and then have the lap done in a couple of weeks. (Well, not 'nice' exactly, you know what I mean!) Totally worth it I think. For my money I think I would be tempted to get dh's sperm tested too if that was a possibility and not prohibitively expensive. If you know there was a potential issue there on your other IVF cycle then it might be worth just getting all the bases covered. Can they do anything different depending on the results?

And shock riots Keep - stay safe! Xx

Solars Sat 24-Nov-12 22:15:46

Well at the moment i'm only going on what Dr Google says and he says it depends on %, high % means ICSI is the only way or even donor sperm! Low could mean that natural is still possible but considering nothing has happened over 3 years for us it doesn't bode well to be continuing naturally? Wish we got this letter before our appointment today. We're wondering if it's worth speaking to our GP or sub fertility clinic about and they can do the testing on the NHS perhaps??

keepitgoing Sun 25-Nov-12 08:46:21

Gosh how confusing solars. Have you been discharged from the NHS clinic? If not, ask them. If so, perhaps get an argc appt asap and ask there, am sure GP would just Google it...

I don't get what they mean. I mean, they say that it wouldn't affect natural conception, and you are now doing ivf/icsi anyway. Does it affect icsi, as it seems that's the treatment anyway... How did they end the letter, or was it a 'just so's you know...'?

But you are looking at another ivf/icsi anyway, lovely, due to time trying. So maybe don't worry about 'natural chances', as it's all a guess anyway, and you're doing all you can already.?

God, there are just so many bloody things that can be wrong!!

Bfn this morning. AF not due till Thurs, but at 11/12dpo and possible 'bleeding' on Tuesday, I'm inclined to believe it. Sigh. Was so hoping for a pre-iui brooking miracle.

Solars Sun 25-Nov-12 09:34:02

Sorry about bfn Keeps but it still could be too early if AF isn't due until Thursday anyway??

The clinic's letter is all quite confusing really. The letter was left quite open in terms of us coming to a decision about whether we pay for ivf with them or go for a lap in which case we would be discharged back to the gp. The antibodies thing was actually written as a ps!!! They said it is quite likely antisperm antibodies but didn't actually test for it at the time so don't actually know what they are dealing with, so I'm not sure why they also wrote that natural conception is still a goer especially considering in over 3years we've had a hint of nothing I am going to speak to the clinic on Monday and ask to speak to a lab person for more info as this wasn't even mentioned in our review appointment, would like to ask how the sperm is prepared for ICSI ie do they remove the antibodies or just look for sperm without antibodies and also ask if they can get our GP to do the test! DH has already made an appointment with his GP to see if they can do the test but they may only do it if asked by the clinic. We'd like the test done just so that we know what we are up against and can take it along with us to argc. I think in the back of my mind I was just hoping to have a go naturally as ivf/ICSI is just bloody hard going as it is and would really like to avoid it!! Thought the lap would enable that but now we may have a sperm issue too! Sorry about me, me, me sad

keepitgoing Sun 25-Nov-12 10:28:52

Sounds like a plan, solars. And don't apologise, you'll all be bored by treated to my iui tales next week. Of course you want to avoid ivf if poss, but if there's no treatment for these antibodies than ivf anyway, maybe it's worth testing to see if natural is worth it after the lap.

<Rages at the complicatedness of TTC for some of us brookers>

S'pose it could be too early. Could really use some brooking... Twas only a crappy IC... Must be faulty. smile

Quick post

keep ICs are rubbish, 3 days before my AF was due and an IC gave me a neg, then the following day a faint line, more evap like than anything else! It wasn't till like a week later the IC properly registered, by that point the asda own and CBD had already confirmed my suspicions!! Bloody faulty sticks!!! Brooking like Billy-o for you!!!!

Will catch up properly later

JenFrankincenseAndMyrrh Sun 25-Nov-12 11:55:57

Keep I used IC and got the tiniest, faintest smudge 1 day after AF was due so you are just too early to confirm

Afternoon all, sorry I have been a bit lacking in posts of late am still very much brooking from afar. Just been really busy in RL DH decided we need to start home improvements (hallway, stairs, landing & kitchen replastered and decorated plus new flooring) 6 weeks before Christmas!!! and then we are on holibobs from Saturday - bring it on.

So I see Jen has gone all Christmassy on the NN front, anyone else joining her this year?

Keep those IC can be the most frustrating what do I know i have never had a dual line on any brand of HPT and often others have said the pink line tests such as Superdrug seem more sensitive. Fingers crossed my dear.

Solars so sorry that these letters dont seem to make things easy do they. Best plan is to ring up and speak to someone about it. Hope you get it sorted soon. You have done well to get your IVF notes so quickly, I have paid £50 for mine and still don't expect them until mid December.

Sparks little Twinkle will be 15 weeks by Chrimmy that is so lovely, you will be positively blooming.

Geek I agree with you that the end of Nov is just a bit early for starting Christmas but as Boo says if John Lewis, Coca Cola & Morrisons says so then it must be.

<kicks already bought Christmas presents under the settee>

Beedle I love that your DP is so excited about decorating the place, my DH is the same. I said as we are on hols first week in December maybe we could give trimmings a miss this year - if looks could kill OMG.

boo 17 weeks already, where has that gone? We will look around next year, you will have sneezed and boobie will be here

Maybe Imps hope you are ok my lovelies and up to plenty of RL mischief

<pours white wine in the tinsel decked yukka plant in case Scarlett is lurking>

I have been on a different site i know I am traitor with ladies a bit more experienced on using donor eggs and everything that goes with it. We are both prepared for our appointment on Thursday. I have a list of questions to ask around the donation process, how much we get to find out on the donors cycle, what drugs will be involved this time plus many more. It is a pretty full day on Thursday, we see the consultant, counsellor, nurse, egg donor co-ordinator, give bloods, DH does another SA. The clinic say they have more donors than recipients so i am not sure how long it will take until we are matched but I would think it will be early in the new year. I am sort of looking forward to it in a strange sort of way.

Solars Sun 25-Nov-12 16:55:52

Hey there Sweetie good luck for Thursday, sounds like a full on day for you! We had to pay £50 for our notes too. So pleased that things will be happening soon for you x

Brooking for you Keeps still hoping for your pre-iui BFP!

keepitgoing Mon 26-Nov-12 02:24:32

sweetie!!! so good to hear from you. I'd forgotten (?didn't know) that you have your consultation on Thursday. Massive, massive good luck for it. It's great that you're feeling excited about using donor eggs, you should be - as it's just a step closer to your brooking baby. Am happy that you got some good info off some other ladies. Please do pop in and let us know how it goes. I'm surprised they have more donors than recipients. Are people mostly donating and doing IVF themselves at the same time, or just donating? What lovely people, if so. Either way, that's great. Are you private or NHS for this round?

Not long until your hols as well! Are you staying at home? we hardly ever do that, but when we do it's great.

Thanks for the IC-bashing, girls! i thought they were meant to be super sensitive. We'll just have to wait and see as i'm not testing again.

Hi keep any more POAS action this morning?

The clinic have both options sharing egg with lady going through ivf or a genuine donor. We are paying so cost differ depending on which we go with. I would also imagine there is a longer wait for the genuine donors but don't know. If we egg share they guarantee 4 eggs & 8 eggs for genuine donor. If we go for more eggs then we may get frozen embies & chance of a sibling in future I know I am getting ahead of myself

We are tenerife bound on Saturday, a week in the sun is just what I need. I have already loaded my kindle with trash chick lit and that is pretty much all I intend doing for the whole week blushblushblush ok it will be shag week so might do other stuff too

<waves to all on this bleugh morning>

keepitgoing Mon 26-Nov-12 08:24:56

a shagging/reading/sunning holiday sounds perfect sweetie. You deserve it, it's been a hard few months. I don't think you're getting ahead of yourself, you're a brooker, and we will be here brooking for minisweetie and the sibling. I'm so excited for you! Do the chances of success look the same as under 35 when you use donor eggs?

saturday is sparks' scan. YAY!! Are you looking forward to seeing twinke?

Nope, no more POAS for me. Cannot take it. smile

Sparks that is amazing that you are having a scan so soon. These things come around so quickly. Exciting times.

Using a young donor egg increases statistics massively. The clinics quote 60% success rates, so more likely than not to have a successful outcome. But that is one of my questions for Thursday. Not sure if that 60% is BFP or live births.

How is the weather with you today keep and no more riots I hope?

SantasSecretSparkle Mon 26-Nov-12 09:30:25

Right mega long post!!

But may be one of my last on account of starting a new job soon which is bound to get in the way of MN!!!

Sweetie 60% success rates? thats great!! and of course that doesnt filter in the increased chanced of success due to brooking tendancies!!! are you writing all these questions down?

Keep Ive still got my fingers firmly crossed for you!! I think we should ban brookers using IC hpts they're just so unreliable!!!!

Solars Never ever apologies for being mememe (which you werent being) you're going through the mill a bit at the moment, and its what us brookers are here for!! Have you decided who you are going to speak to? I guess waiting for the lap will give you a bit of time to get the other things sorted as well, or at least the investigation started!!

Im excited/dreading/nervous/happy about seeing Twinkle on saturday, although mrsparks isnt helping by the constant reminders that twins run in my family!! I cant believe that I'm 10+2 today!! This is a true brooking baby and I absolutely wouldnt have got this far without you guys <gush over>

<waves to all non mentioned brookers, lurking or otherwise>

<leaves pain au chocolate for all>

am a bad person for telling mrsparks that they help with ms when I really only wanted to have a daily chocolate fix!!!

Geeklette Mon 26-Nov-12 09:38:29

Here we go brookers, stealth post... forgive typoes or hasty exit grin

Such a busy weekend on the fred, I can't believe I missed all the action!

keep glad your visit with friends wasn't unbearably 'baby'. These things can often go one way or the other, it sounds like you had a nice time though smile

solars that warm lamp trick would have had me going big time! I too find lying works best, anything that steers well away from my true feelings. Can't always manage the smiling part though! I was told the lap would only mean a wait of a couple of months, depending on healing time - the six months would be for if it was full open surgery. I'm so jealous of you having yours in two weeks though!!!! That is an amazing turnaround time and just shows what can be done if you are footing the bill yourself What a shame about the timing of that letter though - can you ring the clinic you just attended for advice? I had no idea men could have antisperm antibodies, I thought that was a 'woman' thing. The more I learn about TTC the more amazed I am that we continue as a species let alone that the majority appear to be superfertile specimens If testing is an option, I agree that it would be worth doing before your next IVF, just so that you have every scrap of information to hand.

Keep I read on the news about the riots, glad you are keeping yourself safe and away from them. Boo to the bfn, but it was just too early my lovely. Has the spotting stopped now? I think you still have four days before AF is not going to show so please don't be too disheartened. I am brooking, and refuse to be refused on this! I would wish you good luck with your IUI but you clearly won't need it as your brooking miracle will be confirmed by then. Though probably not on an IC, as I agree they are rubbish. I have had a total of 4 positives on them, and not a hint of a sniff on a 'proper' test (apart from one month when I had evaps on every test I looked at). I still use them, but it's mostly to scratch the itch without breaking the bank iykwim.

biscuits and jen <waves> how are you keeping lovelies?

sweetie redecorating? This close to Christmas and your holiday?? Insanio, as a work colleague says! Tenerife sounds fantastic, just the tonic for this rotten weather. You are completely forgiven for deserting us going to another site for a while, there are so many specialist forums (fora?) out there, it's good to get perspectives from people who have already chosen egg donation. It sounds like it will be a very busy day for you on Thursday, will be thinking about you loads - please update when you are ready. I too am amazed there are more donors than recipients, but that is surely a good thing - means you can afford to be choosy. Did they explain how they guarantee egg numbers?

Sorry ladies I need to get on and earn my pennies. Will try to pop back at lunch and post more grin

SantasSecretSparkle Mon 26-Nov-12 09:40:26

why do my 'mega long posts' always look short next to Geeks hmm lol

May I ask a question of those of you in the IVF know? To be an egg donor do you just essentially do IVF up to the egg collection bit? So would you need to do the down regging, stim and EC bit? And what does EC involve?

It is something I have vaguely considered but I don't know how you'd go about it? Am I right in thinking that you might have to be under 35 as well?

Biscuits I believe the donors have to be under 35 and then the process is the same as the IVF cycle. I am not sure if down regging is required or they just stim and then egg collect. Egg collection was ok in my opinion, I was very nervous but it was a breeze. You do your egg release jab 36 hours before EC, the evening before and morning I was given a sedative tablet to take. Then on the morning of the process you are given pain relief and heavy sedation. The actual process only takes 30 mins, none of which I remember. Just woke up/came around and all was done. I was a bit groggy all that day but fine the next day, slight tummy cramps a bit like AF pains but nothing too much.

Geek when they guarantee egg numbers, I think they tell us if it is less and we can decide to cancel that go or get a refund. There are loads of rules for the different options for various outcomes, and of course these all cost different too. It is quite confusing to be honest.

Geeklette Mon 26-Nov-12 13:17:48

<mysteriously appears donning ninja veil and toed boots to perform another stealth post>

sparks I am sure your new job will have space for a little MNing, you too can become proficient in the ways of the ninja-poster grin Remind me what your new job will be doing again? Is it still at the uni? <scatterbrain> Sorry about mega posting, I'll try to keep them shorter in future. When I get started I just babble on, I'm a bit like this irl too if people let me blush

sweetie darn tootin it's all confusing! Seems you have a pretty good grasp on what's what though, and you are armed with your list of questions which is always good. If you're anything like me your mind goes completely blank the minute you walk in the door of the clinic and re-populates with all the things you should have said the minute you walk out!

solars have you been able to speak to anyone about the antibodies/percentages? I hope they can give you a bit more information. That letter sounded like it raised more questions than it answered.

Erm is that it? Am I caught up?

Slightly fuming here, I've just found out my prommised payrise isn't happening because dink boss didn't get his spine and balls for Christmas. I have to wait til next October, and fulfil a development plan that I have evidence of fulfilling two years ago. But hey ho, I refuse to let it stress me. I have a job, and I'm at least not taking a pay cut.

Ladies, a question for you. My full time job is 9-5 (or 8-6 if you factor in travel time) and I'm on annual leave from saturday 15th December to New Year's Day inclusive. Would I be a little mad to try to get a christmas temping job to cover that period, or should I just take that time to chill and relax? We aren't desperately short of pennies, but I just feel like I need to get as much money as possible in the bank to cover all eventualities (mat leave/self-funded IVF/all the other odds and sods we have promised ourselves for the house and garden that haven't materialised because we are saving for mat leave etc/"plan B" expenditure)

PS - shock revelation of the week - I am wearing a skirt to work! (only because neither of my work trousers got washed at the weekend)

SantasSecretSparkle Mon 26-Nov-12 13:34:00

Geek Im only messing, you're posts are ace!!

Regarding getting a new job. I guess for that period I'd maybe look at getting something part time, for a few extra pennies! But you'd need to look in to how much they'd sting you for tax, I remember I once looked at getting an extra part time job and by the time I'd been taxed it was hardly worth it!!

BUT at the same time I'd think maybe you should spend some time chilled out? things are going to get frightfully busy for you next year.... hmmm decisions decisions.

Yes same company different post for me. I've worked out that its 3 weeks Friday when we break up for christmas! how very exciting, thats nearly 2 whole weeks off, its like the light at the end of a very dull tunnel!!!

Just popping in to share a really sweet clip.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=30uKAo57AxE

Beware it plays music for those at work.

FFSMaryDidntEvenNeedSexToGetPg Mon 26-Nov-12 18:49:41

I can't get it to work sweetie sad

sparks yes there would be quite a tax hit, 20% on everything, plus NI contributions of about 9% I think. 3 weeks to Christmas break-up - yay!

Hey, it's 3 weeks to my christmas breakup too - double yay!

keepitgoing Tue 27-Nov-12 02:35:49

biscuits that would be amazing if you donated eggs! I have thought about it, but am wondering now if i have cruddy eggs, so none'd want them anyway grin

60% sweetie that is A.Mazing. Wonder why it's higher than us regular under 35ers. Maybe cos we have hidden / unexplained issues i suppose... Gosh, am even more excited on your behalf now. sounds like there are so many options for you to choose from, bit weird having a 'menu' like that if only it were that simple; i'll have a girl baby born in september then a boy baby born the following christmas, or some such

FFS is that you, geek...? Love the name anyway. TBH i'm not sure i'd do too much work on your xmas break if you can afford not to. You've had a tough few months with work and ttc, and you have another hard bit coming up.

sparks does that mean if it's in the same company your mat leave entitlement won't be messed up? good luck with the new job, when do you start? 3.5 weeks till break up - awesome! Twins would be scary but fab, so don't worry about that. Also, is it just me or does your christmas name sound a little dirty. Ie Santa's secret stash of porn that gives him a sparkle in his eye and gets him through his super stressful seasonal job smile

no, geek, i just had spotting last tuesday, all at once really, then a bit of pink cm last wednesday, having got peaks on cbfm the previous tuesday and wednesday. Am likely to start pre AF spotting tomorrow, and then will be would be calling the clinic on cd1. sigh.

6 days till mrkeep is home!

FFSMaryDidntEvenNeedSexToGetPg Tue 27-Nov-12 07:23:47

Uurgh I can't do these dark rainy winter mornings. Hibernation should be compulsory sad

keep yay, yes it's me ( geek ) - thought I'd try out a christmassyish name. It was either this or RudeAlfredKnowsDrainsDear, still can't make my mind up grin Brooking like mad that the pre-af spotting either stays away or if it arrives that it turns out to be safe early-pg spotting. Your spotting last week has got to be a sign of an ironic pre-IUI BFP because I am Brooking No Argument.

sweetie yes those percentages are brilliant! I didn't pick up on them yesterday with my work-addled mind smile

sparks yes, I second keep's mat leave query - surely it counts as continuous employment?

Thanks for the advice on the christmas job, I think I'm just going through a bit of a control-freak phase and the only thing I feel I can properly control is money. You are both right though, I haven't had a proper break this year, I really do need to get off the treadmill (metaphorically speaking, as I've barely used mine this year) and unwind.

Oh gawd I'm late...

Biscuitsandtinsel Tue 27-Nov-12 07:38:34

<I don't get the other Christmas option Geek blush>

Biscuitsandtinsel Tue 27-Nov-12 07:40:08

Oh, I get it....

FFSMaryDidntEvenNeedSexToGetPg Tue 27-Nov-12 07:42:16

grin @ biscuits

keepitgoing Tue 27-Nov-12 07:48:39

i prefer this name. Pretty darned easy for Mary, you're right, though i suppose her son did get put to death later, so it wasn't exactly all roses for her. And giving birth in a stable and all...

have seen no hint of christmas here. Not sure they're going to be celebrating it, other than days off work.

weather here. Hot, muggy, cloudy, hot. not envious of the floods and cold and gales back home though!

i'm gonna keep calling you geek, though smile

biscuits are you still on mat leave?

Biscuitsandtinsel Tue 27-Nov-12 07:59:37

I would be keep as ds2 is nearly 9 mths but I suppose technically I'm a SAHM at the moment. I gave up my job when we moved house a couple of years ago so wasn't employed when I got pg. but that was part of our plan of moving - with ds1 approaching school and doing pre school and half days and stuff we thought I'd take a few years out as my job was a v long commute and I was out of the house from about 6:30am - 7:30pm minimum (and these are short hours compared to my DH). So that kind of makes childcare difficult to sort out. Where we lived before DH went to work later to drop ds1 off at nursery, but this directly resulted in him working weekends to make up for lost time, and my in-laws collected ds1 from nursery and often would put him to bed for me as I wasn't home. So that was ok with nursery (although still a big imposition on my in laws). But now he's doing half days at preschool and heading towards school in September, and we moved to get into a better school area, so it just made sense for me to give up for a bit. Then I'll look for a job closer to home.

Rambling aren't I? Short answer is 'no' grin

Biscuitsandtinsel Tue 27-Nov-12 08:00:04

And BOO to no Christmas! sad

MissLToeishavingsantasbaby Tue 27-Nov-12 08:16:56

Cooee ladies ::twirls:: couldn't wait any longer to put on my chrimbly costume grin

I have been lurking and keeping up with the news, it all sounds very promising. Well most of it, what do you mean no Christmas Keep that is just shock

FFS/Geek I would take some time off if I could afford to, next year you have the surgery then the baby, you need to take the time while you can.

Nothing new to report here, booby is well and kicking up a storm but toddly has a cold man flu sad I will catch up properly soon.

Brooking for you all

keepitgoing Tue 27-Nov-12 08:22:19

gosh biscuits sounds much better for you not to be working at the mo/for a while. juggling everything is so difficult isn't it.
Your disguises are too good, ladies.

Oh well, spoke too soon. Spotting is here, so now just wait a couple of days for AF and then bring ON the drugs!! No Baby India for me.
(should i be worried about mid LP spotting if it wasn't IB? could it be something nasty? maybe will mention to the doc when i have to go)

WinterSolstice Tue 27-Nov-12 08:35:38

{Twirls}

It took me ages to figure out how to name change!! Plus now I'm a little confused with who is who confused (perhaps if I stopped twirling!)

Will be back a little later once I've caught up with you all!!

<too early for mulled wine?>

MissLToeishavingsantasbaby Tue 27-Nov-12 08:40:35

Loving the name WinterSolstice, but who were you before?

<also needs to stop twirling, completely knotted up in the tinsel now>

keepitgoing Tue 27-Nov-12 08:51:56

gotta be solars...
but boo yours and ggek are unrecognisable!

WinterSolstice Tue 27-Nov-12 08:57:51

Yes tis I, Solars!

So MissLToe is Boo and Mary is Geek right?

<helps Boo to unwind and manges to get caught up in the tinsel too, yes I guess the mulled wine was a little too early>

MissLToeishavingsantasbaby Tue 27-Nov-12 09:01:41

grin stupid me, of course its Solars

<pours mulled wine on the plant>

BeedleTheBard Tue 27-Nov-12 09:09:37

Morning all

keep sorry about the spotting - might it be baby India getting comfy (again) ? But good news that MrKeep will be home soon

Loving the new names FFS I also love the Rude Alfred name grin Will try to think of new name for me or maybe I'll just recycle last years

FFS I also agree take the holiday, you deserve the rest. Could you sell some stuff on Ebay to earn a bit of extra cash?

sweetie 60% chance is fab (that is for each attempt isn't it?) Our dr mentioned a 75% chance of coming away with a baby after IVF but I think he was talking about the 3 attempts we would get. And that was purely based on my age as they hadn't done any scans or tests on me at that point. And great that they have so many donors available, I thought that there was a real lack of egg donors, but maybe that was through the NHS or something.

I've forgotten evrything else so I'll leave some mulled wine to warm you all up

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Tue 27-Nov-12 09:09:45

OK, I didn't think previous name through properly did I? ment to say Yes Solstice tis I, Boo smile Have added the Boo, I like my Boo

FFSMaryDidntEvenNeedSexToGetPg Tue 27-Nov-12 09:09:58

Oh dear keep too irreverent do you think? confused Damn to pre-AF spotting, but I am still holding out hope for this being your month. If it isn't IUI will sort you out pronto grin

solars love your name change!! Yes, tis me, geek.

boo loving your nc too, I did recognise you but only just grin

keep I've only just picked up on your comment about sparks' nc and now I can't get it out of my head hahahaha

biscuits it sounds like you definitely need to be a SAHM for the time being, that would be an awful lot of juggling to do otherwise.

<wearing a skirt to work for the second day in a row, who'd have thought!>

FFSMaryDidntEvenNeedSexToGetPg Tue 27-Nov-12 14:12:29

Ladies I hate to say this but we are all so quiet I don't think we are going to have a proper 'Christmas' fred sad

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Tue 27-Nov-12 14:15:17

Well

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Tue 27-Nov-12 14:15:30

I

SantasSecretSparkle Tue 27-Nov-12 14:16:05

Totes changing my name when I get to a computer, you mean horrid lot!!!

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Tue 27-Nov-12 14:16:22

Like

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Tue 27-Nov-12 14:16:32

Your

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Tue 27-Nov-12 14:16:42

Name

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Tue 27-Nov-12 14:16:57

Sparks

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Tue 27-Nov-12 14:18:37

Well that filled the thread a bit grin but took some doing so won't do it again

FFSMaryDidntEvenNeedSexToGetPg Tue 27-Nov-12 14:40:59

Hahaha good one boo

FFSMaryDidntEvenNeedSexToGetPg Tue 27-Nov-12 14:41:32

sparks nooo I think your name is fab. Even Santa needs to refresh that twinkle in his eye now and again wink

FFSMaryDidntEvenNeedSexToGetPg Tue 27-Nov-12 14:42:51

PS I'm having a quiet unpestered day at work. Can you tell?

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Tue 27-Nov-12 14:44:41

Hahaha I think whoever wrote this is definitely an MNr look here

BartletForTeamGB Tue 27-Nov-12 14:45:18

Sorry, I've not been around. We definitely need to chat more to make sure there is a Christmas thread!

WinterSolstice Tue 27-Nov-12 14:46:25

I'm loving all the new name changes, Beedle how about BeedlesBardaciousXmas? or BeedlesPineNeedles? Sorry, I'll try and think of some more....

Sweetie wow those are fantastic percentages! By the way I couldn't open your link either sad

I'm looking forward to your update on Saturday, I'm putting my money on you being quite teary eyed Sparkes

Geeks/FFS take the break, you will have a very, very busy year next year and you'll only regret it wink Unfortunately the clinic were not really helpful when I spoke to them. All they said is their lab doesn't carry out this test and it would be pointless to if they are going to perform ICSI anyway, which I can understand to a certain extent but we still feel a bit unsatisfied by that. The natural conception part just doesn't add up, we just have that feeling somethings not right about what they are saying! They shouldn't be saying it's still possible for us naturally when they haven't even done the test! I wrote on the Infertility boards and someone replied saying their consultant said their fertility issues were due to this and that they would be surprised if they could conceive with a high percentage of antibodies! Well DH has an appointment with his GP to ask if they will test but I don't think they will so we'll just have to wait until we see our new consultant I guess!

You've definitely made the right decision being a SAHM, those hours would have killed you off by now, Biscuits And how lovely of you to be considering donating eggs too!

Boo I'm glad you put the boo back into your name!

Keep I'm still brooking for you! It's not over...

Also my lap has now been confirmed for the 14th december and then hopefully we can get a move on with our next consultant!

<pours more mulled wine into the tinselly decorated plant, adds a couple of baubles too>

JenFrankincenseAndMyrrh Tue 27-Nov-12 14:50:14

I'm obviously innocent as I didn't think anything dirty about your name Sparks

keepitgoing Tue 27-Nov-12 14:52:06

It's weird,solars why do they say natural would be OK, yet this causes a prob for ivf so they had to do icsi???

Went to a big mall tonight shopping. There was an Xmas tree and some English carols playing, but not much else christmassy in the shops.

sparks did you hear from maybe about her hsg?

JenFrankincenseAndMyrrh Tue 27-Nov-12 14:52:10

Solars a Friday is a nice day for a lap, you have the weekend then so don't have to worry about going to work afterwards.

SantasSecretSparkle Tue 27-Nov-12 14:52:17

Bahaha boo but that actually makes me cry!!!

JenFrankincenseAndMyrrh Tue 27-Nov-12 14:52:40

Sweetie fab percentages there

JenFrankincenseAndMyrrh Tue 27-Nov-12 14:53:18

Keep boo to spotting

JenFrankincenseAndMyrrh Tue 27-Nov-12 14:54:19

Geek if you try and get a job then we will come and sit on you. Take a deep breath and relax or else

JenFrankincenseAndMyrrh Tue 27-Nov-12 14:55:20

Well that makes the end of the thread a little closer...

WinterSolstice Tue 27-Nov-12 14:56:52

Well done Jen [Grin]

WinterSolstice Tue 27-Nov-12 14:57:10

grin even

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Tue 27-Nov-12 14:57:51

Yes Sparks I have yet to make it all the way through the ad without weeping like a mental loon grin

JenFrankincenseAndMyrrh Tue 27-Nov-12 14:58:49

Maybe if you are lurking then Happy Birthday!

WinterSolstice Tue 27-Nov-12 15:35:42

Oooo is it Maybe's birthday? Happy Birthday, Lovely!

Keep it is strange! Bah humbug to your shopping mall!! Although I am impressed with them playing carols!

Biscuitsandtinsel Tue 27-Nov-12 15:36:35

I was thinking that! Happy birthday if you're lurking maybe smilethanks

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Tue 27-Nov-12 15:38:27

Oh Maybe I didn't realise, happy birthday thanks wine

BartletForTeamGB Tue 27-Nov-12 16:03:37

I've not namechanged since the Olympics. BartletForLifeNotJustForChristmas is a bit long! Any other suggestions?

And Happy Birthday to our Brooking Birthday Girl!

SantasSecretSparkle Tue 27-Nov-12 17:20:53

Finally finished giving out secret Santa tags today!

Exactly 4 weeks till Christmas!! gringrin

Remind me what everyone does over the holidays? I have nearly 2 weeks off smile there's two family gatherings but the big day is just me and mrsparks (and twinkle) we'll start the day with pop tarts, then bacon sarnies, then late lunch which mrsparks is cooking as a treat! Then there will be a spot of dozing on the sofa and some Christmas specials on the telly!!

Decs going up Sunday gringringrin

Aw Sparks Christmas is so complicated here. DH feels obliged to go out for Christmas lunch with his family and I would prefer not go out. I would prefer to go to my parents for a home cooked Christmas lunch, DH doesn't like that says it is bedlam which it is. So every year one of us has to compromise. This year is especially complicated as DH thinks we should support FiL who is down on his luck through his own fault but another storey for AIBU if I were brave enough Bet you are glad you asked!!!

Anyways any suggestions for my Christmas name change? How about SweetieSnowball? or SantaSweetieSurprise?

I will check back to see what everyone else has said, it seems busy in here today.

SantasSecretSparkle Tue 27-Nov-12 20:12:32

Oh dear sweetir I'm glad things aren't that complicated for us!!

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Tue 27-Nov-12 20:34:21

we stay at home, have dinner sometimes with my mum but she usually goes to my sisters. the day starts with a few gifts, massive fry up, play, drink (well not this year) pop to the pub for an hour to see db before starting the big cook, I love Christmas grin grin grin grin grin grin grin what does everyone else do?

FFSMaryDidntEvenNeedSexToGetPg Tue 27-Nov-12 20:36:53

bartlet how about PresentsForBartlet?

sweetie I love SweetieSnowball or you could just be ChristmasSweetie? That clip was sweet but I couldn't watch it to the end. Just having one of 'those' days I think. I wonder if I would have the patience to do something like that all the way through from start to finish, or would I get bored at 4.5 months hehe

sparks Well done on finishing secret santa, this is my first year of not organising it but that's mainly because it hasn't crossed dink-boss's tiny little mind that it might be nice to have a team christmas meal. That said, we have 5 meals planned already so a sixth would probably be a bit much... Our Christmas should be pretty quiet, we tend to keep ourselves to ourselves and, being Pagan, do our 'thing' on the 21st so are sitting back enjoying our fourth version of boxing day by the time everyone else is stressing getting their turkey dressed grin I would personally like to go really low-key this year, just do a bog-standard roast dinner with maybe a couple of crackers left over from last year. Somehow I don't think MrGeek will wear that though - he is already planning the Christmas booze while I'm still trying to work out how I am going to do Christmas weightloss (back up to needing to lose 8lb - not good ladies!)

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Tue 27-Nov-12 20:44:09

Ooh I forgot about the Christmas name for Sweetie I like sweetiesnowball smile

BartletForTeamGB Tue 27-Nov-12 20:59:16

Ah, okay, the MrGeek reference has let me work out who MaryDidnt is! I was fascinated to read that "being Pagan, do our thing on the 21st" etc. Tell us more about that. I know that in polite society, we are not supposed to talk about religion or politics, but I am just really interested as I have never known anyone who would describe themselves as a Pagan before.

We made Advent calendars at Brownies tonight, so we are beginning to get in the Christmas spirit, but I am not sure that I can quite face a Christmas name change until Saturday at the earliest!

I prefer SweetieSnowball too.

SantasSecretSparkle Tue 27-Nov-12 21:40:18

geek we don't go mental on the food front, just have a turkey crown, and use the short cuts available aunt Bessie's yorkie puds etc!! Mrsparks has been told he can have a drink but that's it!!

WinterSolstice Tue 27-Nov-12 22:04:25

Oooo Geek you should be using my name in that case!

keepitgoing Wed 28-Nov-12 02:22:28

morning all! sparks that sounds like a lovely christmas, especially as you will be knowing all is well with twinkle so can just be quietly excited. We normally go to either my parents' (great fun, lots of siblings etc) or to DH's mother (not fun. lots of bitching. have to visit his dad too). This year we have my brother and SIL visiting and will be on the beach. awesome!

my job finishes just before christmas, and nothing sorted for next year yet. I'm not too bothered... wink

<seconds bartlett on being interested on what it means to be pagan, geek>

bartlett are you now discharged from consultant care, lovely? Hope you and the other triple whammiers are doing well. You must be, what, 7 months now? Wonder who'll pop first... Do you all have the same EDD?

happy birthday for yesterday, maybe. I am very impressed at someone knowing that...!

bit rainy here today. Humph.

ooh i want an advent calandar!!!

keepitgoing Wed 28-Nov-12 02:23:55

and solars 14th dec is awesome. great to get that out the way and then get on with your xmas bfp! Aren't you in the tww now? when will af not be coming?

SparklySanta Wed 28-Nov-12 08:07:41

meany bo beany faces!!!!

My name now sounds less to do with Santa having access to copious amounts of porn!!!!

SweetieSnowball Wed 28-Nov-12 08:09:06

<twirls>
<stumbles>
<unwraps tinsel from feet>

keep your normal Christmas sound more like ours than idealic Sparks festivities. Am well envy of your situation this year though.

barlett as brown owl do you get to keep one of the home made advent calendar? How are you doing my dear?
<nudges barlett to name change early as we all know she is really a rebel>

Sorry ffsmary I didn't mean to upset with that clip, sorry if you were feeling a bit down {{{hugs}}}

Right I have the morning off to get my hair done, get me i am almost a lady who lunches!!
Will be back laters all glam and coiffured.

SparklySanta Wed 28-Nov-12 08:11:58

Keep how weird will it be spending christmas on the beach?

Geek Yes it would be nice if you'd tell us a little more! I dont really do christmas for the whole christian link, just cus I like sparkly things and turkey and getting presents [shallow].

Bartlett how do you 'make' an advent calendar? Im assuming this isnt a chocolate style one?

Im currently contemplating whether I should go and get cakes for my office as its my last day, but as there are no 'sorry you're leaving' banners up, I might blow the morning on a stupidly unhealthy english breakfast instead!! bahahahaha

SparklySanta Wed 28-Nov-12 08:16:19

I love how my christmas is idealic grin/[smug]
My old ones, pre mrsparks, were pretty rubbish, so Im making up for lost time!!!

Snowie Yay for a festive name change, but you get zero points for a rubbish twirl!!!! have fun lunching!!

SparklySanta Wed 28-Nov-12 08:17:03

can you tell Im currently trying to help you guys fill up this thread so you can have a proper festive one!!!

keepitgoing Wed 28-Nov-12 08:49:26

idyllic, girls, not idealic
[pedant]

keepitgoing Wed 28-Nov-12 08:50:12

grin

we need some new blood. All us lot have been hanging around ages, we need some new whipper snappers. Ideas?

WinterSolstice Wed 28-Nov-12 09:59:57

Just popping my head in, will catch up properly later!

We don't celebrate Christmas really but as we all have the time off we do get together, we do alternate years at my family and DH's family. But then we try, if we can to fit the other family in over the period, however DH has been on call the last few years so it's been tricky, i think this is the first time he's not since we've been together. This year is my family! But we may go to inlaws on boxing day. All the kids do get pressies though, not usually the adults we get ours at Diwali!

Catch up properly later x

BartletForTeamGB Wed 28-Nov-12 10:05:06

Sitting in Sainsbury's cafe having drunk a bottle of Lucozade and waiting an hour to get my bloods done. (Yes, antenatal bloods are done in Sainsbury's here!) having drunk 273ml of the disgusting stuff, I am feeling pretty queasy!

BartletForTeamGB Wed 28-Nov-12 10:08:38

Confused by all the name changes though! Just got Solars namechange - very clever. We celebrated Diwali at Brownies. One of the girls who is a Hindu told us the story of Rama & Sita and then we made rangoli.

BartletForTeamGB Wed 28-Nov-12 10:12:20

sparkly , I'll take a picture & put it up on Facebook later because I am very proud of it! The Brownie Guide law is 'A Brownie Guide thinks of others before herself & does at least one Good Turn every day', so, instead of chocolate, when you open the flap, there's a good turn to do each day. Just as much fun as eating chocolate surely...

BartletForTeamGB Wed 28-Nov-12 10:16:56

sweetie, yes, I get to take one of the advent calendars home because I had to make an example one. DH had lots of fun that evening :-/ but I enjoyed it.

Will get on with a namechange soon. Just not feeling inspired, so, as my DS would say, "help me!" (except whenever he says that, it is because he wants to help us no matter how dangerous or inappropriate that might be!)

keepitgoing Wed 28-Nov-12 10:17:09

Oh yes solars i hear you. dh has worked every Xmas since he qualified, so 'Christmas' for us isn't nec on the 25th...

Bartlett good luck for bloods. That advent calendar's not exactly one to make you leap out of bed in the morning.....

keepitgoing Wed 28-Nov-12 10:19:47

Ha ha my niece does the same. No darling, I will not help you pull that pile of clothes on your head/open the dangerous window/get you out of your car seat... Does he understand about the baby? smile

SparklySanta Wed 28-Nov-12 10:56:18

most dramatic cake purchasing trip ever!!
I really must stop passing out in public places, this time a round several 'mums' who insisted on getting an ambulance out to me with sirens and flashing lights!! mega embarassing!!!

I was checked over and Im fine, but my blood sugar is a little low (low for a normal person, so extra low for a diffed person) so I was released from the ambulance with strict instructions to 'eat some cake' although thats not whats written on my notes!!! I'm now off to consult Dr google, not because I think anythings wrong but because I want to know just how long my levels were!!!

keepitgoing Wed 28-Nov-12 10:58:10

sparks!!! Glad you're OK, now eat some cake. Did you have to tell everyone you're pg...

Go home!!!

Biscuitsandtinsel Wed 28-Nov-12 11:01:18

Gosh, hope you're ok! I thought for a minute you were googling 'cake' - I can give you far more information on cake than google can grin.

Seriously though, take it easy and do as you're told (ie eat cake!). And I would have got an ambulance too if a preggo passed out near me!

keepitgoing Wed 28-Nov-12 11:03:26

Where are you now sparks?

SparklySanta Wed 28-Nov-12 11:05:03

Seriously Im fine, and probs better off at work (the office Im leaving is full of doctors) but mrsparks is on high alert to come pick me up if I want him too!! To be honest work didnt think anything of it, they just assumed I got side tracked in a shop, so when I came back they didnt wander where I'd been! They've just given me a bottle of wine as a leaving present so I'm 100% sure they dont suspect a thing!!!!

Biscuit Dont worry if I needed to know about cake I would ask here first!!! I've just had a doughnut with stupid amounts of sugar on it!!! (nice christmas name btw)

keepitgoing Wed 28-Nov-12 11:15:38

Lucky mrsparks to get your leaving pressie!

Isn't maybe our resident cake chef?

Biscuitsandtinsel Wed 28-Nov-12 11:16:52

Oh gosh yes! I've just clicked that of course you're not out of the pg closet yet are you! Did you have to fess up to the people who helped when you passed out?

So when do you start your new job? Do they know yet?

And is it your scan this Saturday coming? What time is it?

Biscuitsandtinsel Wed 28-Nov-12 11:18:45

Yes keep you're right - maybe is our chief bakerererer I think. With imps in charge of the savoury department I think. I don't claim to knowing about making cakes than Maybe, but eating them? Well that really is my forte.......... grin I reckon I could give anyone a run for their money. Even Greg Wallace grin

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 11:21:11

Bartlet are you having a gtt in Sainsburys? And yes it is time, you must change into your Christmas costume!

Sparks that was a serious warning to take care of yourself, I hope you really are ok and not just being brave! Eat more cake to be sure.

Sorry not name checked everyone else, can't remember what I read, been up with toddly (on and off) since 4, poorly boy sad

SparklySanta Wed 28-Nov-12 11:26:01

Biscuit Im still firmly in the PG closet!! I almost didnt tell the ladies helping me, but then I thought I probably should, there was lots knowing nods with choruses or "oooh she's pregnant, we've all been there love" and all I could think of was "I bet you haven't because im slumped against a bus stop bench and have just put my hand in on a half eaten mars bar" but they were very nice, the one lady missed at least two buses waiting for the ambulance, and then other lady (the ones I can remember) was taking her daughter to nursery so she was late too!! Her daughter did however take her shoe off and throw it at me!!!!

New job doesnt know, and Im hoping to be there a couple of weeks before I tell them, but I guess we'll see how I get on! Scan is on saturday at 10am!!

Maybe makes amazing cakes, she sent me some pics of a one of those hidden picture cakes she did for a party, and it was amazing!! she failed to send me a sample though, so I can't vouch for taste!!!

WinterSolstice Wed 28-Nov-12 11:32:17

Sparkes what a scare!! I prescribe a sweet hot beverage along with cake! Please do look after yourself! (Why o why did the little girl throw her shoe at you though? Strange!)

keepitgoing Wed 28-Nov-12 11:36:52

Yeah, they're probably ,made of plastercast, or taste like it
<goads maybe to delurk and defend herself >

10am Saturday, that's 5pm here. Tis in the diary!

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 11:37:21

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 11:37:36

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 11:37:45

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 11:37:54

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 11:39:40

Do you like my new party trick? My new way of filling up the thread when I have nothing much to say smile

Sparks well done still being in the closet, I would have caved/cried/told everyone! Really hope your feeling better.

Biscuitsandtinsel Wed 28-Nov-12 11:40:45

See, we can fill this thread and have a nice Easter themed one quicker than you can blink smile

Biscuitsandtinsel Wed 28-Nov-12 11:41:00

Did I say Easter?

I meant Valentines

Biscuitsandtinsel Wed 28-Nov-12 11:41:14

No, no, I think I meant Christmas.....

WinterSolstice Wed 28-Nov-12 11:46:07

How did you do that Boo? you clever girl!

WinterSolstice Wed 28-Nov-12 11:46:40

grin @ Biscuits

keepitgoing Wed 28-Nov-12 11:48:08

Bloody mosquitoes. Hate 'em.

WinterSolstice Wed 28-Nov-12 11:50:32

Do you get bitten all the time Keep? sorry I can't recommend anything though.

WinterSolstice Wed 28-Nov-12 11:53:03

I've been trying to think of a name for you Bartlet but can't find anything yet, will keep thinking....

keepitgoing Wed 28-Nov-12 11:55:45

Yes, they love me... I have a great clicky thing that gives a little shock, then put on antihistamine. But the only thing to do really in Not Scratch (am v bad at this). The ones here are small, quiet and fast. Ie much harder to kill than the whiny big slow ones I'm used to. But at least these don't have malaria...

keepitgoing Wed 28-Nov-12 11:57:48

I might be keepjinglingthosebells if I can figure it out...

Right, off out for dinner. Soft shelled crab, prawns, fried rice, anyone??

WinterSolstice Wed 28-Nov-12 11:59:19

They love me too Keep, nothing I tried worked though! I once had an impressive neat row of about 12 on my upper arm! Itched like hell though!!

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 11:59:31

Oh dear Keep that sounds like it is no fun sad I remember going to Thailand when I was 15 and getting eaten alive. No help at all just thought I would share smile

<taps nose at Solstice wink>

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 11:59:42

keepitgoing Wed 28-Nov-12 11:59:52

And sparks I find that new name dirty too... But them am still TTC, so its all about smacking the rat for me.

Actually have just realized iui is outsourcing smacking the rat!!! Omg SFF only??

Woo hoo!!!!!!!

WinterSolstice Wed 28-Nov-12 12:00:05

Oh yes please for the crab!

FFSMaryDidntEvenNeedSexToGetPg Wed 28-Nov-12 12:00:56

sparks lovely, megaquick post as busy busy busy today - hope you are feeling a bit better now, and keep up with the cake and sweet drinks (preferasbly not artificially sweetened). If I remember rightly you've had a few of these dizzy spells haven't you? Would it be worth carrying a packet of dextrose tablets around with you for when you are feeling a bit iffy? That's what MrGeek has to carry around in case he has a hypo, which is essentially what you've had if you've blacked out due to low blood sugar. The advice for him is to take two tablets as soon as he feels iffy (sweaty, numb, tingly lips, can't think straight, dizzy, tired, any combination of the above), then check sugar 10-20 minutes later and take another 1 if necessary. Eat simple carbs (cake, fruit juice, lucozade) as soon as possible after recognising the hypo.

boo how the heck do you do the blank posts? Please spill, I have seen so many people do these and can't figure them out sad

Will try to post more later!

WinterSolstice Wed 28-Nov-12 12:01:15

You tease Boo smile

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 12:12:32

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 12:12:49

grin

SparklySanta Wed 28-Nov-12 12:18:15

FFSMary Thats exactly what happened, My head went funny, then I started to get all clammy and sweaty, and the my limbs went a bit weird, numb I guess, then it just all went down hill from there!! Im shattered now!!

Yes hmm I do seem to becoming a bit of a fainting pro, 3 times this year, well 2 proper faints (with paramedics involved) and one episode where I just started to feel funny, but took evasive action (got mrsparks to pick me up and then slept it off) I shall def look at those tablets!!

Bit pissed that my midwife has no helpful info/advice for me, other than she'll talk about it at my 16 week appointment hmm Im not saying anythings wrong with me, but a little medical advice would go down a treat right about now!!

BeedleTheBard Wed 28-Nov-12 12:44:04

You lot have "written" so much since yesterday I thought someone must have announced a BFP or something grin

sparks hope you're feeling better

will write more later, I'm having a busy day today

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 12:50:31

Ok, I will share cos you ain't asking any more so it is no fun to keep you guessing
It is really simple, you make the message look like I have below, no words, no anything, just what you see, 2 at the top left, a few clicks down on the return button then 2 more (the more you hit return the longer take blank message will be) so it looks just like ................

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 12:52:40

Hahaha, it works on normal messages too grin ok, try again, you put 2 of these in the top left [[ then you hit return a couple of times then put these ]] voila one blank message!

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 13:17:15

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 13:17:47

works on the app too grin

WinterSolstice Wed 28-Nov-12 13:19:09

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WinterSolstice Wed 28-Nov-12 13:19:32

Ok that didn't wok for me sad

WinterSolstice Wed 28-Nov-12 13:19:46

WinterSolstice Wed 28-Nov-12 13:20:23

Oh yes got it hehe, thanks Boo smile

BeedleTheBard Wed 28-Nov-12 13:20:50

Oh and thanks to whoever it was who thought up those Xmas names for me - I can't remember who it was now blush I might well change to BeedlesPineNeedles grin

BeedleTheBard Wed 28-Nov-12 13:21:38

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 13:23:57

this thread will be full in no time grin we can do it!

BeedleTheBard Wed 28-Nov-12 13:24:03

I think the blank message used to work with 4 *
But when I tried that it just said I wasn't allowed to post a blank mesage, maybe they haven't realised about the [[

Anyway if we want a Xmas thread we could of course just start a new one - I don't think that there's any law that says we have to get to 999 posts before starting a new thread shock grin

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 13:25:57

No, we MUST fill this one up not sure why but leaving half done doesn't seem quite right

I like Beedlepineneedle!

BeedlesPineNeedles Wed 28-Nov-12 13:32:46

<does a twirl to show off new name>
<falls over the plant/christmas tree in the corner>

SparklySanta Wed 28-Nov-12 13:57:10

beedlepineneedles hahaha love it, cus it rhymes, sort of!!!

Back from lunch with my boss, his treat, twas yummy!!!

FFSMaryDidntEvenNeedSexToGetPg Wed 28-Nov-12 14:08:43

Oh my goodness we've put on 5 pages in 2 days! We will have a new fred for crimbo!

beedle your nc is so cool - even better because I remember a couple of occasions when I mistyped your name as needle, so now I know it wasn't a typo so much as a premonition grin

sorry but I've not been able to keep up with the pace of this fred this morning (other than catching sparks' drama)

boo thank you for putting me out of my misery, you would otherwise have been inundated with begging pm's!

Arghh more work to do sad Will try to post more later, but it may be tomorrow now. I promise to tell you all about my Pagan plans grin

WinterSolstice Wed 28-Nov-12 14:18:28

Bartlet so far I could only think up one, which is BartletInAPearTree

Beedle it was I that suggested your new name, glad you likey

By the way I seriously am doing lots of work today, promise!

Love the new Christmas name changes and the efforts to fill up the thread for Chrimbo!

Sparks, I hope you're OK now after your big lunch! Do you think you may have low blood pressure? I do and often feel a bit lightheaded and faint. I think during pregnancy your blood volume increases, so if you are prone to low BP, you might need to drink more squash or juice etc to raise it a bit.

Who's next for a BFP? Is it Solars/Solstice? Brooking for that ironic one, lady!

By the way, my Christmas wish is BFPs and healthy babies for all of us. And I have been a very good girl, so I'm sure it will happen.

There, I've done my bit to move the thread on!

SparklySanta Wed 28-Nov-12 14:48:59

Gen Tis low blood sugar, it was a 4, but I'm not really sure what that means, expect to eat more cake!! I think my blood pressure is normal!! Hang on I have my ambulance notes!!

In all fairness I have no idea what this means (theres two numbers for each cus I was checked once and then again 10 mins later

Resps 18/18
Pulse 92/90
Temp 36.5/36.5
B9 Sys 122/117
BP Dia 81/81
Blood sugar 04.0 (They only check this once)

Apparently these notes now have to go in to my green notes and to my GP

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 14:59:55

smile

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 14:59:59

grin

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 15:00:03

sad

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 15:00:08

wink

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 15:00:12

shock

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 15:00:18

shock

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 15:00:23

angry

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 15:00:27

envy

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 15:00:58

smile grin sad wink shock angry envy really easy from the new app grin grin grin grin grin that's a few note spaces filled wink

SparklySanta Wed 28-Nov-12 15:05:09

oh and maybe will be coming by soon to defend her cooking title grin i didnt tattle tale honest

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 28-Nov-12 15:05:43

Sparks sorry I have no idea if the numbers mean anything, obviously the blood sugar one is low though. I wonder if Bartlet can shed some light?