This thread is the one the Rat Smacketeers all become PSEPP and we are Brooking No Argument this is the case. Fact.

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ScarlettInSpace Fri 07-Sep-12 07:21:13

Ladies this thread is the one, I can feel it in my water [although maybe that's the drugs hmm ], here you go grin

<marks place to keep abreast of all the BFPs>

CruCru Fri 07-Sep-12 07:46:17

Awesome, thank you. What is PSEPP?

Princesslovelyboo Fri 07-Sep-12 07:55:52

Got my spot set up. Cru it is a pee stick endorsed pregnant person. You will be one soon smile

keepitgoing Fri 07-Sep-12 07:59:26

Nice one scarlett, thanks for setting it up. hope you're feeling better now. I can't remember how long until your scan?

cru - the trouble is that we all have faulty pee sticks. It's a question of finding the right one, you see...

Wow I am in such a brooking mood at the moment. All ye in the down parts of your cycles fear not. I am holding the brooking banner for us all. Those on drugs will get BFPs. Those not on drugs will get BFPs. And soon!! And then they will be sticky. Fear not. Hear ye.

Princesslovelyboo Fri 07-Sep-12 08:05:19

There is a little bit of news over on the graduates thread grin

keepitgoing Fri 07-Sep-12 08:10:10

ooh great stuff - munx has had hers. Gosh, time flies!!

ScarlettInSpace Fri 07-Sep-12 08:12:04

grin actually lol'd at Hear Ye keep p'raps we should've gone for a pirate theme this thread!

I'm feeling loads better, I'm going with the 'eating first' tactic and it seems to be woring so far fx [I still feel 'not me' iykwim, a bit nauseous in the background but I can cope with that].

OH was in a right bad mood last night as soon as he finished work and we ended up having a huge row about something really stupid so I stormed off to bed and still seemingly not speaking this morning before he left. Stupid man hmm.

Anyway I'm off to get newborn baby cuddles this afternoon grin

Hope you are all happy on this sunny Friday!

BeedleTheBard Fri 07-Sep-12 08:50:36

Morning all

Lovely thread scarlett

Excellent news on the follicles sweetie

Solars Fri 07-Sep-12 08:57:41

Lovely new thread, thanks Scarlett and glad to hear you are feeling much better and jealous of you new born cuddles, I'm hopefully getting some this weekend!

Keep I'm loving your positivity!

Geek hope you will be joining us full time next week?

weirdo Maybe hope you're ok?

Bartlet I'm so pleased to hear all is going well for you, it must be so relieving!

Beedle anymore symptoms to report?

Sweetie still rooting for your follies GROW FOLLIES GROW

Not much to report I feel fine and quite positive still most likely to do with the CDs i've been listening to every night though

Leaves behind croissants, butter, jam and freshly brewed tea! Have a nice day all!

Scarlett Love this thread!! It sounds like a super brooky one, cus it is actually the thread in which we all get diffed. FACT.

I'm in a super brooky mood today too, just the bit about TTC anyways!! my rash has come back today with a firey itchy vengance and I want to claw my skin off, so this month has been a bit of a write off in terms of SWI, as theres no way I can even begin to feel sexy while I'm like this.

Doctor has told me it could take months to go away, but its starting to be a real issue, should I go back? Its only because its all over my hands again, which makes daily life flipping difficult!! Going to deep cleant the house this weekend, completely from top to bottom see if that helps!!

Solars Fri 07-Sep-12 09:04:55

Oh no Sparkes, what did your doc say it was caused by?

Solars The last one I saw said the issue on my hands was caused by coming in to contact with chemicals, but I find that stupidly hard to believe!! the one before that said it could have been caused by anything and to just see how I got on!!

keepitgoing Fri 07-Sep-12 09:15:34

i'd watch out when cleaning the house, sparks as chemicals and that could aggravate it. I'd tell them about it again when you next go back - might be worth booking a double appointment as otherwise it can be hard to talk about two issues, and your PCOS discussion might take a while anyway. When is the appointment?

(and everyone else's follies too, for the drug-takers)

Morning all

Lovely new thread Scarlett glad to hear you are feeling a bit more human.

Sparks do you wear rubber gloves when cleaning or doing jobs around the house? Might be worth really trying to keep your hands covered up until your Dr appointment, see if it improves things

Solars good to hear the positivity - those vibes are setting the thread on fire!!

Well DH finally realises he has something to do with TTC, after googling sperm for pregnancy he has announced he won't be drinking coffee!! Men!! I have been trying for the last 18 months to tell him this. Potentially he will have to, ahem, produce his bit Monday, so 3 days without coffee really isn't that much of a hardship!!

<goes off to find wall to bang head against>

keepitgoing Fri 07-Sep-12 09:39:23

oh wow sweets i didn't realise it was that soon. (dense). It seems really quick, but probably doesn't to you. Men!! Though some people say coffee just before dtd makes them swim faster...

cartoonface Fri 07-Sep-12 09:46:21

Haha sweetie you've gotta love em.
sparks get ur marigolds on i wouldnt risk getting cleaning stuff on that rash.
scarlett love the new title and glad that youve found a way of doing feelings that helps you not feel so rough.
off to see the good dr s 2mora

<marks place and scoffs Solars' criossants>

I hand on heart think the reason I got updiffed when I did was down to DH ditching the caffeine. He had been consuming a massive 400-600mg of caffeine every day ( shock <- this was me when I found out) and I got pregnant almost exactly 3 months after he cut down to 100-200mg a day - which could be nothing but it seems a bit much of a coincidence to me. So I defo think it's worth a shot, sweetie, if he has lots in a day.

sparks is it worth going for an allergy test? If the Dr won't do one, I don't think they're that expensive to get privately - lots of health food shops have someone come round once a month and do them iyswim, or you can go to an alternative health place (the kind that does homeopathy etc). I got one done a good few years ago and the only thing it flagged up was an allergy to alcohol hmm

I just realised you said he has to dtd Monday sweetie! He might be pushing it there, lol grin

Princesslovelyboo Fri 07-Sep-12 10:27:41

Fluff did take alcohol make you feel sick and dizzy? I think I had told same thing winkgrin

Sweetie I agree with the others, be careful not to aggravate it with cleaning stuff.

Face good luck with your appointment tomorrow.

Not sure how much I will be able to read/post over the weekend, we're off on a deaf children's weekend in the High Peak not sure if they have power never mind wifi grin

Cheery wave to everyone else.

shock just read a thread 'how many DC to you have?' she's pregnant with twins but already has 9 children!!!!! envy I just want one!!!!!

Ok will properly reply to the thread soon promise

Fluff can not believe how quickly your last day has come around, enjoy it my dear. How many weeks until miniFluff arrives? So exciting

If my scan goes well tomorrow, and the little follies have grown, I will have egg collection on Monday and DH will have to dtd the same day ready for addition to the test tube or however they do it I agree I am not sure if he has left it a bit late confused

Princesslovelyboo Fri 07-Sep-12 10:37:20

9 dc???shock and a fanjo like a wizards cloak sleeve grin

keepitgoing Fri 07-Sep-12 10:46:03

grin grin vomit at boo
that is Just. Not. Fair. Wonders if it's true, or if people get their kicks out of posting inane things on the internet. Wonders if boo is really an old man...

cartoonface Fri 07-Sep-12 10:53:38

no fair some people are just plain greedy.

Princesslovelyboo Fri 07-Sep-12 11:00:06

<sits I'm the corner muttering, it was not like this in my day, we fought in the war for all this>

GreenOlives Fri 07-Sep-12 11:02:17

<marking place ready for abundance of BFPs!>

Sending lots of no brooking vibes to Sweetie's follies!

Also great news Barlett that must be very reassuring.

Lots of love and luck to all the rat smackers! Xxx

BeedleTheBard Fri 07-Sep-12 11:13:56

well actually I wouldn't want 11 children grin

BeedleTheBard Fri 07-Sep-12 11:20:51

solars I can't really say that I have any symptoms to report, my boobs are sore but they usually are at this point.

Not that I'm actually sure how many dpo I am, (I'm trying to relax - ha ha) but AF is due on Wednesday, same day as our appointment. We're both taking the whole day off, partly as its easier to take a whole day than explain why I'll be away for about 3 hours in the middle of the day, and partly (for me) in case its bad news for DP (he's convinced it will be), I'd rather be with him for the afternoon, even though he won't want to talk about it hmm

<Dresses DD up and gives her pom poms>
<Attempts to dress self appropriately but gives up so just grabs pom poms instead>

What do we want?

Positive pee sticks

When do we want them?


ScarlettInSpace Fri 07-Sep-12 11:31:34

<is concerned to see rubber using her DD as a pom pom and suggests not rushing in future where pom poms & small children are involved>

boo it used to give me hot flushes and make my face beetroot red til I persevered and developed a tolerance grin

Gosh that’s all happened very quickly sweetie - good luck smile
I’m 36 weeks tomorrow, so at the very most I have 6 weeks left shock

Fluffamazing only 6 weeks max to go, next few weeks of rest & relaxation - that had flown by, am sure you may feel differently though wink

ScarlettInSpace Fri 07-Sep-12 12:02:53

It seems like only yesterday fluffy had a little kernal... Now it's a full on baby! That has flown!

Geeklette Fri 07-Sep-12 12:16:03

Go fluff!!! Where have those weeks gone? shock

Just got my AMH results, 49.1. Eek! sad Poss symptom of PCOD but ultrasound showed ovaries all normal. Been referred to fertility specialist (huh? I thought my consultant was one!) for further investigation.

Sorry to me-post and run, it's taken me half an hour to type this on my phone!

Brooking vibes and warm crisp sandwiches to everyone grin

Geeklette Fri 07-Sep-12 12:21:36

PS AF showed up last Tuesday so I found her in contempt of court, clapped her in irons and sent her down for life. That should keep her out of our hair for a bit!

Geek sorry to hear AF got you but I think you dealt with her in a most appropriate manner. Isn't that a good result for AMH? Thought optimal fertility was 28 - 50 for AMH. I might be wrong as only going on what Dr Google says.

Geeklette Fri 07-Sep-12 12:38:45

Apparently anything over 48 is considered high, but given my age (I'm just four years away from when my mum started her menopause) the consultant has described it as 'very high for local assay' whatever that means and recommended the fertility expert he has referred me to considers a short course of some drug whose name I didn't catch and further scans. Hopefully know more on Monday as I have my 'Intro to IVF' 2 hr appointment. Would explain why I had three LH surges last cycle though.

K, break over, back into court for me!

It has gone very quickly indeed - despite the fact I'm very uncomfortable now, I'm not ready for it to be over yet! Baby is under orders to stay put until October grin

Good luck geek smile

Geeklette Fri 07-Sep-12 15:49:38

<runs around in circles waving arms madly in the air screaming "I'm free! No more jury service!!!">

Firstly, a very big welcome to snow and cru who I have so rudely not welcomed yet. My apologies, I have been rather distracted of late.

Secondly, a huge thank you to scarlett for starting this fabby new fred which will be our home for the next four weeks or so, and will see us all gain our bright shiny new BFPs. I hope your DH's mood improves pronto. I'm sorry you've been feeling so sick, but that trick about eating first is a handy one to be aware of. I shall bear that in mind when I start my drugs.

keep it is so lovely to see you in such a positive frame of mind. Thailand obviously agrees with you! I am glad you have got a plan sorted out for yourselves, it all sounds very workable and you will have your BFP in the bag before you know it.

Amazing news on the munx front, it is always a joy to hear a brooking success story. Sometimes I feel I've been TTC so long I've lost sight of what it might mean to have a baby, because I am so damn focussed on just getting sodding well pregnant!

beedle Brooking that AF does not show up on Wednesday, and good luck for your appointment. I hope all goes well for you both, and that MrBeedle doesn't get bad news. Very wise to take the time off to be with him just in case though.

solars fx for you getting your newborn cuddles this weekend. You can't beat em! I do indeed hope to be more of a full time brooker from next week. This weekend is going to be a complete chill-down, get my head together type of thing though.

sparks so pleased to see you happy and positive. I'm guessing the PCOS diagnosis has helped you rather than made you feel worse yes? And with it being such a mild case there is bound to be loads that they can do to help things along. And you also know from your charts that you do ovulate, you are just a little irregular at doing so, so you don't need to worry about that aspect of PCOS. When's the job interview? I should know this but I've got brains made of mushy peas today blush I still think you should get another opinion about your rash. Especially if it is keeping you from smacking the rat, because that simply is not on. Some doctors just do not appreciate the important things in life!! is this post long enough for you so far?

sweetie oh my goodness - that just goes to highlight the difference in time frame between long protocol and short protocol! I can't believe it has come around already. Brooking for fab follies for you for Monday, and super speedy swimmers for MrSweetie. Bless him for finally looking up to see what he can do to help things along even if it is a bit on the late side now

boo how's my favourite recently-PSEPP doing? Brill news that your face is on the mend, that is so good to hear. Now you can concentrate on your manic gym life, camping without electricity and all of the other daft things you enjoy grin

fluff you tell your fluffster to stay put until the 17th October. That is by far the best day of the year to be born grin

solars, sweetie and scarlett, were any of you just a little bit shock when you had to complete the 'welfare of the child' form for IVF? I spent several hours wandering round, randomly ranting that if I were a chain-smoking, binge-drinking, worshipping-at-the-golden-arches-three-times-a-day type person who just so happened to have been personally blessed by Aphrodite's fertility stick that nobody would bat an eyelid or question my right to have children but because I need to go through IVF the world and its dog has a right to sit in judgement of me.

I think I've already splurged all my news via phone - nothing new to report really. Got my 2 hr appointment for IVF on Monday, they rang me up at lunchtime in a panic, for some reason thinking I didn't know anything about it! They have confirmed they did receive the letter from my consultant so PCOD is one of the things they will pay particular attention to in my scan.

<waves to bartlett, cartoon, maybe, olives, rubber, and everyone else and sniffs around for crisp sandwich crumbs>

Solars Fri 07-Sep-12 18:49:19

Just wanted to wish Face lots of good luck tmrw at your appointment and lots of brooking for Sweetie's scan, hope it all goes well!!

Also Sparkes if your rash is really not settling and still flaring up then I think it's worth another chat with your gp about or as someone (sorry I can't remember who said it) perhaps an appointment for allergy tests??

Geek I was definitely shocked too, it's just crazy isn't it?? Sorry not a clue on what AMH figures mean and what is PCOD? Anyway good luck for monday hope it goes well and they can reassure you.

Have a lovely weekend everyone x

TheLittleFriend Fri 07-Sep-12 19:05:29

Marking place for lots of bfp's on this lucky thread x

ScarlettInSpace Fri 07-Sep-12 19:08:59

Hmmm I had to fill in so many forms I lost track but I don't remember a welfare o the child one?

Geek I have missed you long chatty posts. Glad you made it through the jury service, what did you think? Good, bad, long, boring?

I remember all the forms we had to complete, seemed to go on forever. Once you are signed up for treatment there are even more about consent over what to do with unused or unsuitable eggs, what happens to frozen embryos if one person dies, on and on etc. Everytime they write to you GP they ask them if there is anything the GP is aware of to raise as a concern.

My clinic rang me prior to my first appointment to make sure I would be still attending, I wonder if the get a lot of no shows due to ironic BFPs.

Imps7 Fri 07-Sep-12 21:18:52

Yo new Fred in da house check it check it yo yo yo.

Belly button is now crusty rather than gunky. That's better isn't it?

Will read back on y'all tomorrow check it check it yo.

Imps thanks for sharing, glad it seems to be getting better.

Will be back later this afternoon with a follie update. We are going to go straight from the hospital to seaside for the afternoon. Haven't decided if to go to Scarborough or cayton bay yet, but don't be worrying fish & chips will be had wherever we end up.

Hope everyone else has a lovely weekend planned

imps you're actually gross envy <<< my face is this colour

I'm 7dpo and suffering from zero symptoms, make a nice change

ScarlettInSpace Sat 08-Sep-12 09:51:55

Morning all, sweetie good luck for today, and enjoy done seagull dodging this afternoon.

This IVF lark really isn't agreeing with me, sooooooooooooo hope I only have to do it the once envy

I'm sick of feeling sick and tired of feeling tired, and quite frankly I feel like a grumpy miserable anti social hag, my friends are having an engagement party later and at the moment OH is going to go on his own because I really don't want to be nice to people whilst trying not to vom plus I would totally feel like the spectre at the feast, all I want to do us loll around and read my book and not talk to anyone on rl.



scarlett so sorry you are still feeling under the weather, maybe short protocol next time??? Of course there won't be a next time.

Sparks no symptom is a symptom, maybe this is due to your more relaxed approach

scarlett so sorry your feeling poorly, is there anything your consultant can do? To ease the symptoms?

sweetie yes I think you may be right in that I'm so chilled Im not thinking about symptoms!

Question - I've just had a letter from the hospital with another scan date, the lady didn't tell me I'd need to have another one, and I haven't been to the docs yet so any ideas why I might have to have another one?

Warning this is a very woe is me post but I am feeling very down in the dumps this afternoon, I think my chance to be a Mum to my own baby is slipping through my fingers.

The larger follie is now thought to be a follicular cyst and unlikely to contain an egg, the medium follie is now at optimum 18mm and has grown well. The smallest follie is now only 11mm, from 9mm on Thursday, so they think any egg will be weak as it isn’t growing quickly enough.
I have to do my trigger egg release injections at 11.30 this evening for Monday morning collection anyway. Will just have to wait and see what is actually collected on Monday, there is nothing more I can do now. I am trying to keep quality over quantity in my mind but that is very hard that I might only get a single egg.
I almost hope that whatever they do get doesn’t fertilize as I really don’t know if I can go through 2 weeks of torture waiting until I can do a pregnancy test.

DH is going out this evening, ironically to wet the babys head of his mates IVF baby. So I will wallow in self pity and eat chocolate as can not even have a glass of wine.

Sorry ladies for such a depressing post but I am feeling so down right now.

ScarlettInSpace Sat 08-Sep-12 18:55:33

sweetie thats a shame about your largest follie but the middle one sounds promising, hang on in there me love, on another thread I go on we are all singing dont stop believing by journey and I think you should have a little mental singalong, remember It Only Takes One xx

CruCru Sat 08-Sep-12 20:17:32

Hey Sweetie - you do need only one. Good luck from me.

All - you know that when you are successful after IVF, you also have to fill in a form to tell them about the birth etc? That's a nice one to fill in though.

Oh Sweetie lovely. I'm so sorry you are feeling so low. But i have every belief that you will be a mum to your own baby, and I will believe in it while you can't. I am so sure things will seem better in the morning. And role on Monday. You will get through this. We are brookers.

<breaks in to song: we are brookers till we die>

<dances round the follie totem>

<Joins in follie dance>

Coooommmmeeeee on follies!!

sweetie it only takes one, just one little egg and then that cuddly baby will be yours!! It'll be the most tense 2 weeks of your life but imagine how exciting getting that BFP will be?! We'll all be half whooping for joy and half crying happy tears, dont deny us that joy and give up now smile

<hugs> not very MN but it has to be done!!

ScarlettInSpace Sun 09-Sep-12 09:26:34

sweetie hope you're feeling better today, I was thinking about you last night [in a non stalkerish way I promise] and I reckon if someone said to us when we started IVF we'd get one good, strong, fertilised emby at the end of it we would've bitten their hand off! It's easy to get carried away in it all and raise your expectstions when things seem to go well but remember you only need one and focus on that follie me dear And you never know, the wee one may just surprise you too wink

Geeklette Sun 09-Sep-12 09:31:44

sweetie I'm so sorry to hear about your largest follie, but I am brooking no argument, your other follies will contain one, if not two, fab eggs. I really have no words of wisdom about the 2ww after the embryo transfer, it is torture at the best of times even without IVF. All you (and we, because believe me we will be!) can do is brook like mad for a good nestling in. Of course you will be a mum to your own baby though. That is simply not up for discussion. We are always here for hugs, hand-holding and follie-dancing x

Aw thanks lovelies <chokes back another round of tears> for your support. I feel better this morning, after a good cry and eating my own body weight in peanut M&Ms!!!
I know it only takes one super strong golden egg, so I have to think this month is just like any other but we know we have given it our best shot. The treatment hasn't been too bad in all honesty, it is the mentalling that is worse.
Have a busy day planned to keep my mind off things and then they have included some relaxation drugs in my pack to take later to encourage a good nights sleep.

Hope everyone else has a lovely day planned making the most of the glorious weather.
Thanks again Brookers for your support xx

Thanks sweetie now I have a craving for peanut m&ms

snowcloud Sun 09-Sep-12 15:06:47

Hi what's happened to the last thread?

Hi snow threads only have a 1000 post life, so when we get near that we start a new one!

Princesslovelyboo Sun 09-Sep-12 16:18:27

Hi all, back from the darkest peak district after a fab deaf children's weekend just in time to start my grow follies dance round the totem again! I really am brooking so hard for you Sweetie.

TheLittleFriend Sun 09-Sep-12 19:08:45

sweetie brooking so hard for you my love. Hope your relaxation drugs work & you get a good nights sleep xx



And all the other IVFers, and all the other brookers xx

CruCru Sun 09-Sep-12 19:34:26

Sweetie - I approve. Getting some rest may actually improve your chances.

AF arrived for me today, which was a shame. Here's to next month!

In that case Cru welcome to day 1 of your pregnancy!

Sweetie brooking for you

Geeklette Sun 09-Sep-12 21:16:23

sweetie brooking like crazy for your egg collection tomorrow. It is quality that matters, and it sounds like you have at least one perfect sized follie to give an excellent quality egg. Looking forward to hearing about your BFP in approx two weeks smile <unMNy hug and a squeeze>

Thanks ladies, I have had my sedative and feeling decidedly woozy (Scarlett & Solars I hope you have some these in order for when your time comes) so off to bed to listen to my relaxation CD and hopefully nod off to asleep.

I will let you know how things go when I can tomorrow. Night night to all

Solars Sun 09-Sep-12 22:15:29

I believe in your follies Sweetie sorry I've only just caught up with you all, but I'm brooking like anything for you, honey! This journey is such a roller coaster and I can feel it in my waters you will finish on top! Sleep well, I will be thinking good positive thoughts for you for tmrw!! thanks

keepitgoing Mon 10-Sep-12 04:28:18

sweetie just wanted to say that I am thinking of you today, and willing that both medium sized egg will fertilise nicely, and that little egg will have grown enough to be able to fertilise too. I hope that you are not too nervous; you're doing all you can, lovely, and that's a good think. I am brooking for you; we all are! How long till you know if they've fertilised - tomorrow?

cru sorry the witch got you as well. This will be the month! This is our thread.

wave to everyone else. Hope the drugs are going down well for scarlett & solars and that everyone else is smacking that rat. beedle - not long till your bfp/appointment!

Good luck sweetie hope everything goes well and in fact there were two follies to be harvested!!

In secretworld I was super stupid yesterday and didnt take any antihistamines and my rash has spread again today, stupid Stupid stupid!! Now I have to totes rethink today outfit!!

ScarlettInSpace Mon 10-Sep-12 08:42:19

Good luck sweetie fx x

Good luck Sweetie

How are the other IVFers doing?

Good luck for today Sweetie I am brooking so hard for you today x

Sparks your poor rash. Hope the outfit re-think worked out.

How are you feeling now Scarlett?

Sorry about AF Cru

Glad you had a good break Boo

How are all other brookers, post grads and new borns? All well I hope!

GreenOlives Mon 10-Sep-12 10:01:44

Brookety brook brook brook to you all! Special extra brook for Sweetie!

BeedleTheBard Mon 10-Sep-12 10:17:08

Good luck sweetie I have everything crossed for you

Which is actually quite uncomfortable as I'm stuck in bed after hurting my back again on Sat. it was almost better after last week's berry picking and then I sneezed and hurt it again, I'm not actually sure how that was possible but it was agony yesterday, much better today but I'm not fit enough to sit or stand at my desk all day. Anyway I'm just glad its not shag week grin

sparks I can't believe the trouble you've been having with your rash, I hope it gets better soon

scarlet I haven't stopped believing its going to work for all of you IVFers and the rest of us too

keepitgoing Mon 10-Sep-12 10:21:56

gosh beedle, you are taking to your bed for your confinement very early. I know that you are pregnant, most likely with twins, but to go to bed for eight months you will be driven mad. Just confirm your pregnancy on wendesday, and then leave the bed-rest for a good seven months! smile

Oh Beedle you poor thing. You must get that back sorted out, as Keep has pointed out, you're going to be carrying some extra weight soon wink

Just popping in to brook for you all and especially the IVF-ers, particularly Sweetie's follies - come on follies!

<gives Gen a squeeze before she disappears again>

ScarlettInSpace Mon 10-Sep-12 16:03:12

hiya everyone <weak smile>

beedle am well jell at your bedridden-ness, I could do with a bit of that!

hope *sweetie is ok and recovering from the procedure with hot chocolate & marshmallows and trashy DVD's.

AFM I'm still pretty rubbish to be honest sad I can't go a full day without at least one nap, the sickness comes and goes but I'm sticking with the acu's advice to eat before the injections as most days that seems to have helped, I ache from head to foot, I am floppy and listless, clumsy, forgetful and feel like bursting into tears at the drop of a hat, it's ridiculous!

I don't know if I'd be able to do all this again and pay through the bloody nose for for the pleasure so it had better work!

<leaves behind bags of salted crisps as they are my weakness at the moment>
<PS I didn't leave them on purpose, I can't remember where I put anything at the moment!>

Ladies I have returned with a very fuggy head and unable to stand up straight yet, but I am back.

The process was quick, easy and pain free for those about to go through it. I have built it up in my own mind to be terrible and it was far from that. We were number 6 of 8 and due to be seen at 10.30 which was pretty spot on. There wasn't much to do but we had taken a paper and a few magazines.

I was gowned up but had my own slippers & dressing gown (DH wouldn't let me take my fluffy Peacocks one with Mice on it). The bit that hurt the most was getting the cannula in the back of my hand to administer the drugs, she had to get it in my elbow in the end. Bet my hand bruises lovely, I will take a pic for you all.

After the cannula episode I walked to the room which was quite comical in set up as the embryologist is through a hatch a'la 70's dining room. I laid on the bed and the older lady nurse (think Carry On film) helped get my feet into the stirrups. Prof Blah Blah introduced himself as the anesthetist was pushing some drug in and that was the last I remember, never saw an instrument or anything. I vaguely remembering me asking Prof Blah Blah how many eggs he got, when he replied only 1 I said "I hope he had a good look!!!" Then I was back in recovery - all done.

I came around quite quickly, drifting in and out of sleep and DH was allowed in with me from 12. I was given a cuppa, a sarnie, made to have a wee and I could go home. I did question Carry On Nurse again about how many they got. But it hadn't gone up, still on the one. So we now wait for the call tomorrow, late morning, to see if it has fertilised, she did say if it doesn't we get another round if we want it!!!

The ladies in the beds next to mine got 15 & 18 eggs respectively so I felt a little disappointed but we are all different. Then there was another women in floods of tears so I am not sure if she may not have got many either. I have a bit of bleeding now but no abdominal pain so feel quite lucky. Although he didn't have loads of prodding around through 20+ follies. So every cloud and all that!!!

Right after this epic post I am off back for a lie down and have MrS bring me a cuppa before he starts tea!!!

Please can I ask for you all to Brook your Brooking socks off for fertilisation this evening!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH FROM ME & MRSweetie

I will read back and name check later this evening.

Princesslovelyboo Mon 10-Sep-12 17:12:12

Sweetie well done on a tough day, and I am Brooking harder than a brooking thing for egg to be fertilized.

<starts choreography on a fertilizer dance, wonders if Maybe could whittle another totem>

Solars Mon 10-Sep-12 17:57:46

Gosh Sweetie what a day and it looks like you're being looked after so well by MrSweetie! Do they give you a call in the morning to let you know how the embie is doing? Brook, brook, brooking for fertilisation tonight thanks

cartoonface Mon 10-Sep-12 18:12:46

back from devon, back to the world of internet connection!!!!!!
sweetie hope your ok. ill get going on my fertilisation dance for you.
sparkswhen do you find out about your pcos? we can be pcos buddies!
so anyone that didnt see it on our fb group. i have very high nk cells and pcos. the pcos was just as much of a shock really theres never been anything to suggest i might have that but there you go!
i can start ttc whenever i like now. have to take steroid tablets from ovulation. for like 10days then poas. if neg stop and then start the tablets at next ovulation. when i get a positive thats when the really cocktail of medication starts!
now where will i find olives i need to speak to her about prednisolone

Solars Mon 10-Sep-12 18:18:16

Scarlett this will be the only time you'll be going through this as it will work first time for you and thereafter all other dcs will be conceived naturally <strikes gavel> I really hope you feel better soon, it's not too long til your scan right?

Beedle hope the back is well rested now!

Waves to Gen hope all is going well!

Sorry for short post, hope everyone else is well!

Solars Mon 10-Sep-12 18:21:25

Face it must feel good to have a plan right? It must be some sort of relief! Looking forward to hearing about your BFP very soon!

cartoonface Mon 10-Sep-12 18:31:01

solars it is but im also gutted at the same time. i just keep thinking about how having babies is the most natural thing but yet my body fights it.
i know i shouldnt be down about it and im in a much better position than others. theres always someone worse of than you rite

My bloods and scan point to PCOS, so really the docs is just a formality to get a referral, hopefully by the end of the week though

cartoonface Mon 10-Sep-12 18:50:10

did you see the scan? i saw mine lots of black dots on my ovaries. he wasnt worried because its never effected me. i hope your not too worried about it.

TheLittleFriend Mon 10-Sep-12 19:15:50

<joins in the fertilization dance for sweetie> x

BeedleTheBard Mon 10-Sep-12 19:19:00

Brooking very hard for Mr & Mrs Sweetie's egg and sperm to get it on this evening

I think AF is on her way here, which is Ok. If I'm not going to get an ironic BFP before my appointment, then being on CD2 and getting 1lot of blood tests out of the way is pretty good

Brooking like billio for you Sweetie

<sets up a bit of mood lighting and Barry White on the iPod at the lab for the Sweetie sperm n egg>

GreenOlives Mon 10-Sep-12 20:09:31

<does brooking slow dance to Barry White for Sweetie>

Face feel free to PM me for pred info smile

Geeklette Mon 10-Sep-12 20:11:06

Brooking so hard that Mr Sweetie's swimmers and Sweetie's obviously fabulous golden egg are enjoying their speed date in the petri dish restaurant. Get it on, little egg/swimmers!

sweetie thank you for your post on the collection procedure, I'll be on the short protocol too so in about 4-6 weeks will be doing pretty much what you did today. By which time, you will be 2-4 weeks pregnant, of course grin

I'm enjoying a last night of being free to booze tonight and I've been maybe a bit too free with it so won't even try to post about my appointment right now!

MrGeek and I are brooking for everyone, but in particular solars, scarlett (really hope your sickness dies down soon but please feel free to forgetfully leave us your crisps any time!) and of course sweetie. sparks I really hope your rash gets under control soon, it just sounds wrong to me sad

oops that's the oven timer, better go before I burn the house down!

keepitgoing Tue 11-Sep-12 03:02:15

sweetie i didn't see your post until this morning, due to time differences, but was brooking the night away (in between smacking the rat) for you. Glad that you have one egg, and as we brookers know, it's quality, not quantity. Ask smegs... Will be around waiting for your news later on today. Brooking that the egg likes one of mrsweetie's sperm!

face i think it's good you have a diagnosis too, and am glad that they are accepting immune issues, as i've read some people think it's a bit controversial. You've always conceived easily, so it won't be long until you get that sticky one, I'm sure of it. How has your DP taken the news? and don't worry about the 'natural' thing - we are happy to accept help with antibiotics, or glasses, or suncream, or whatever. And well done you for pushing them to give you tests earlier than three m/cs.

geek i think you'll find that sweetie is already 2 weeks pregnant, so will be 6-8 weeks by the time you get started, and the expert on morning sickness and all that jazz. smile Does mrgeek know about us then? I am considering coming clean as sometimes i realise i know more than expected about certain things...

solars are you feeling ok on your meds? How long till your scan?

scarlett so sorry to hear you're feeling rubbish. Hope mrscarlett is being nice and understanding and taking good care of you. Keep it up. Are you working at the moment?

secret do you think they will treat in any way, given you clearly do ovulate? ditto for face. I think it's actually very common but most people get pg without realising it, like face.

love to all, and I am here leading the Tuesday waiting parade for sweetie's news while you lazy lot are asleep wink

cartoonface Tue 11-Sep-12 06:22:36

Woken up by dps family dog who we are looking after for a couple of nights. Grrr so ill wait her for news from sweetie.
I hope scarlett is feeling better today.
geek how's the head today smile
keep dp is fine didn't really understand why I was so upset. I don't either really I think its shock and I'm worried about remembering to take the right things at the right time. I've got the memory of a 90yr old at times! But I'm sure we'll figure it all out.
sparks like keep said they may decide not to bother treating you. I will only get meds for it if it starts to become an issue and I'm not getting pregnant quick enough Mr s also said that like 1in 5 haveit. But it usually needs something to trigger it such as being overweight he reckoned if I continue to watch my weight it won't be an issue for me.
Morning all brookers!!

Morning all.

Sweetie I am brooking so hard for you. That egg is the egg. When will you get the call? I hope you are feeling less woozy after a good sleep.

Scarlett how are you feeling? When do you have your scan lovely? I hope ou are being pampered.

Face glad you are feeling ok about things. You'll remember to take your meds, and I'm sure all will be well.

How's the back Beedle? Hope AF isn't there.

Imps lovely, how are you? Ready for the GBBO tonight? MrMaybe got me the book and the Paul Hollywood one. I have already made double death by chocolate cookies and a lemon and coconut cake. Yum.

Keep how are you feeling? How's that horny goat weed working?!

Geek how was your boozy night?! What times the appointment?

Solars have you started your meds now?

How's that rash Sparks?

I'm off today. Have woken up with no voice, conjunctivitis and a temperature. Am currently eating frozen mousse and tea wrapped in a blanket and m catching up on all my sky plus recordings. In other news, pup turned one yesterday. Ah, my little boyis growing up <Vom> wink

<leaves liquid breakfasts for all and a packet of salted kettle chips for Scarlett>

keepitgoing Tue 11-Sep-12 08:51:06

liquid breakfast maybe?? Surely that's not good for all us preggos! Had a cry at lunchtime today in the middle of the canteen as DH told me he has to go away at what may be just-after but is likely just-around or just-before ov next month and it just got to me. Bit embarrassing. But then I thought, hang on. I am BROOKING that I will get pregnant this month, so it won't matter (only that I'd miss him...). Horny goat weed seems to be doing a lot - not that we ever had any performance issues ;) the reason for it is to try and increase bloodflow to where the spermies are made to make them grow up not-deformed!

There are an awful lot of (probably awful) fake viagras and cialis and the like on sale here on the street. I feel quite the innocent just smacking the rat with horny goat weed!

Anyway, sorry to hear you're ill again maybe. Do you think you should try something to boost your immune system as you've been in the wars lately?

Go sweetie-egg-and-sperm go!!

Haha, I realised what I'd said after I'd said it Keep! I meant tea and easy to swallow food stuffs wink

I think I am run down, stress of TTC and work stress. Feel like its all on top of me this week. I'm sure I will be fine though smile

keepitgoing Tue 11-Sep-12 09:07:12

Ah, well I already had spicy noodles for lunch, yummy yummy.
Just take it easy, and it's not long until your appointment now, and hopefully things will move fast after that! Are you still stressing on 2wws, or just waiting for IVF now?

BeedleTheBard Tue 11-Sep-12 09:19:40

maybe I'll be here in my bed keeping you company, I think my back is getting better, I can certainly move around a bit easier.

keep don't forget sperm can live up to 5 days,and I'm sure that horny goat weed powered sperm must live even longer grin

face sorry about the diagnosis but now you have a plan, you'll have a sticky little bean in no time

scarlett hope you're feeling a bit better

sweetie hope there's some good news soon

Well the evil hag is here, but its good news for CD2 blood tests tomorrow, assuming I can manage to sit in a chair for our 2 hour appointment. And as I'm off sick today I won't have to use a days holiday tomorrow, I'll still be sick <slaps wrist>

keepitgoing Tue 11-Sep-12 09:26:58

DAMMIT beedle. But i suppose if she was going to come, best she come today. The worst is if you're teased and get your hopes up. Are you nervous about tomorrow? You'll be getting lots of test results, won't you? What's healthcare like in Sweden, I have a feeling it'll be awesome and we'll watch in envy and delight for you as they figure out what's up, if anything, and fix it.

I know that theoretically sperm can live a while, but I think maybe not for us. We can't even get them to the egg when we've dtd at the right time, let alone a few days too early.

<sigh> maybe i have a nasty environment for them and that's the reason. but noone can be bothered to try and find out what it is, and are happy to leave us for three years. THREE YEARS!!

Ah, is my zen from a few days earlier leaving me...

BeedleTheBard Tue 11-Sep-12 09:39:35

Unfortunately is just the JIAJ results tomorrow, they haven't started any tests on me yet. I think they'll do a load of blood tests on us both tomorrow and hen explain the SA results and what they're going to do to me. I'mnot sure what else they'll do to make it up to two hours though. I'm not sure its very different to the UK here (in terms of tests) but if we need it we will get 3 free goes at IVF which is really good, and if we ever needed to self-fund I think you still get the drugs almost free which makes it a bit cheaper.

3years is a very long time, I guess they're just hoping that it'll happen naturally and they won't have to spend any money on you, like making us wait 3 months for the test results hmm

keepitgoing Tue 11-Sep-12 09:50:37

Oh gosh, you've had nothing yet? Well, hopefully they will move fast. You probably know all this but here they'd do day 2/3 tests to look at LH, FSH, oestrogen, and then day '21' progesterone to check ovulation (but you're pretty sure you ovulate, aren't you?). Then an HSG to check tubes, and an ultrasound to check ovaries and uterus. My consultant said 'you need three things - eggs, sperm, tubes', so do make sure they're checking them all. And should mrbeedle's SA not be great then do make them do a repeat before putting it all down to that. As maybe and I said the other day, not sure if it's better to find something or not. But better to find something, if it's there. If you see what I mean!

Great that you get three goes at IVF should you need it.

Yes, it's a long time. I think that most people who are unexplained would get pregnant in that timeframe, so I suppose I can understand that. But it's a hell of a long time to wait, and the chances only get worse if you're not in the x% within a year, x% within 18 months etc. We are lucky that we have the option to self-fund (here at least) in the meantime.

Solars Tue 11-Sep-12 09:56:32

Morning, was just popping in to see if there was any news from Sweetie still brooking like crazy, Go, Emby Go!

Keep & Maybe I have indeed started my drugs, its been 11days not that i'm counting however I think I've been extremely lucky that so far I've had no side effects apart from feeling a little tired earlier in the evening than I normally do. Only awful thing for me is the wait, I don't have my next scan until 2 weeks today!! I have been keeping myself busy though which is helping!

Scarlett hope you are feeling better!

Beedle sorry about AF but her timing is good for your day 2 bloods at least and good luck with your appointment tomorrow!

Face I'm pleased that you are getting your head around things, you'll get that sticky bean before you know it!

Keep the faith! It will happen!

Geek come back and let us know how the consultation went yesterday! Sounds like you have a plan in place though!

In other news DH watered the peace lily in our bedroom with the ramekin that I use for you know what!! I do thoroughly clean it but I feel awful for the poor plant now! I was hoping he'd use the tumbler in the bathroom but instead picked up the ramekin near the back of the sink!

Just had THE call - we have an embryo, the speed date went well fertilisation has taken place!!! Thank you for all the Brooking, power of Brooking is super powerful - FACT
They will monitor our embie over the next 24 hours to see if it divides as expected but good news so far.

Solars so pleased you haven't had any of the dreadful side effects from down regging that poor Scarlett has been suffering from. When do you start the stims?

Beedle sorry that AF has got you, but the timing fits with your day 2 bloods - good luck tomorrow & hope it is good news for MrB

Keep try to keep the zen, it is difficult but you must try and the horny goat weed must help with smacking that rat!!

Maybe hope you are feeling better soon my dear

Geek if you want any info or have any questions on Short protocol just PM me, I have a booklet they gave me from my clinic that I can photocopy and send you if you like

Solars gringrin your poor peace lily got more than expected, maybe a few extra nutrients hmm

I am off back to chillin out, I have another appointment with my fertility reflexologist this afternoon to prepare my body for embryo transfer tomorrow.
Need to make sure it as comfy as possible in readiness for the next 9 months.

Solars Tue 11-Sep-12 11:04:46

Oh Sweetie you wouldn't believe how excited I am for you! GO, EMBIE GO!! Hopefully I can start stimms the day after my scan which will be the 26th! Have a lovely relaxing day Sweetie

keepitgoing Tue 11-Sep-12 11:08:54

oh wow that is brilliant news sweetie!! Will be keeping up the high level of brooking for you over the next 24 hours - when might they put it back?


BeedleTheBard Tue 11-Sep-12 11:09:48

Fab news sweetie thanks I'm so pleased for you grin
I'm sure someone will be along soon to do an embryo sticking dance for you, but I'm not quite up to dancing at the moment

keepitgoing Tue 11-Sep-12 11:11:06

ps thank you for telling us so soon, the suspense was killing me, can't imagine about you. Well done again, so glad they hit it off.

Aw no, not sure what to do as reflexologist woman just rung & left a message to let me know she has a cold and would understand if I would prefer to cancel this afternoons appointment. Do the benefits of reflexology at this time out weigh the risk of getting a cold?

DH says not to go and he will smear feet in jam and let dog lick it off - he is helpful like that!!! <boak>

Oh Sweetie this has made my day, I'm so so pleased for you!! When does the transfer take place?

I would be inclined to steer clear of viruses. Is there something nice and relaxing you can do instead? A nice doggy walk with a hot chocolate to finish off?

Oooooooh sweetie what fabulously wonderfully amazing news!! Id also be inclined to avoid someone with a cold! You're so close now grin this will be the most 2ww ever!!!

Princesslovelyboo Tue 11-Sep-12 13:16:11

Come on Emby, think dividing thoughts!!!!! Sweetie this is super news, so pleased for you. The power of us Brookers is powerfull indeed! What did you decide about the Reflexology?

Any news Geek I seem to think you either had an appointment already or it is impending? (apologies if I am wrong)

Cheery waves and brooking for everyone else

Leaves an assortment of paninis and salad

Geeklette Tue 11-Sep-12 13:40:13

sweetie that is fabulous, brilliant, amazing news!!! <changes from the grow-follie-dance to the grow-emby-dance in the blink of an eye>

My appointment (yesterday) went well, we are now on the IVF train doing the short protocol. This will start from the day of my next AF. sweetie thank you for your offer of info, I will take everything I can get! No doubt as it all sinks in over time I will have questions so you may find yourself with the odd weird random pm for things I feel too foolish to ask the nurse grin

Yesterday's appointment was really to go through what the whole process involved, and to get up close and personal with the drugs. Oh holy crap the needles are twice as long as MrGeek's insulin needles!! MrGeek has said he will be happy to shove the needles into my bum help me inject into my fattest parts. Everybody was so lovely and sweet, and I have fallen in love with my consultant. Not the stupid twunt from the NHS hospital, but the consultant who will be performing the transfer.

I have a trial transfer booked for this Thursday afternoon, and an additional scan on the same day.

Ok, that was all written pretty calmly. That was the good part of the appointment. The bad part, the part that has me so ranty I need to remind myself to breathe nearly constantly is: my NHS cons is a complete and utter twunt. When he scanned me he told me everything was fine and perfectly normal and there was nothing to report. I asked him were there any cysts on my ovaries and he said no, none. It turns out that not only do my ovaries look classic polycystic, but one has a huge endometrioma (blood filled cyst I think) which renders it completely useless for IVF. It is also incredibly high and out of reach, so basically we are working with one good ovary. I have also now been warned that the quality of eggs that ovary produces will be of inferior quailty even in terms of natural fertilisation. However, that is quite minor compared to the fact that my NHS consultant failed to mention the 4cm x 6cm fibroid that is pressing down on my cervix. I apparently have a couple of smaller fibroids in less awkward places, but that one is of particular concern due to its size and positioning. It has also caused both my ovaries to shunt to an almost central position, again making egg retrieval a bit awkward. Luckily, the 'good' ovary is relatively accessible.

I can't stress just how lovely through all this the nurse, embryologist and consultant were, I feel I am in the best possible hands and I am starting to believe this is going to happen. MrGeek and I both got a bit emotional yesterday because it hit home that this is our chance, and after almost 12 years we might finally get our baby.

Argh, I'm filling up in the middle of the office now sad

I can't remember who asked me, but yes MrGeek does know about you lovely ladies. I have had to explain the rat smacking and brooking concepts to him several times but he now gets it I think confused He doesn't get any of the details of what is discussed on thread, but he knows you exist and are a fab support network and he asked me to let you know that he is brooking for you all in a blokey, anonymous type of way.

Sorry for the mememe post, I feel better for having had that rant!

Yay Sweetie I'm so pleased - that is great news. One step at a time. I'm brooking for proper dividing now.

Brooking for each and every one of you.

<leaves Barry White and candles for the next IVFer>

Princesslovelyboo Tue 11-Sep-12 14:16:25

Let me attem Geek <finds boxing gloves, programmes sat nav to twunty consultant, i'm on my way> I can't believe that he missed all that, what a proper stoopid fucking knob rotting cunt chopsy arsebadger wanker mistake to make.

So pleased that things are moving forward for you, that BFP is on its way!! We are ready and able to hold hands all the way for you.

Mr Boo also knows about you and the thread, he refers to you as 'the girls', he doesn't really want any detail but he is grateful I have somewhere other than him to mental and chat about it all.

MrS alson knows about you guys, although not Rat Smacking per se. He does as "what do Mumsnet think of x" He did mention Mumsnetter to SIL, so I had to explain it is a secret society, a bit like the Masons hmmgrin for him to understand the error of his ways!!!

boo how you getting on with MS etc? hope you are keeping well

geek I can promise you the injections dont hurt at all, and just squeeze the meds really slowly. You will be fine my dear, I have never done an injection in my life and I was fine. I wouldn't let DH do mine for me either. Cannot believe the NHS Dr gave such poor advice when you know what you do now. Really glad you have the A-Team on board now and that baby will be yours and MrGs in no time.

I spoke to reflexology lady and told her I didn't want to risk catching anything when I have got this far. She was totally understanding. So I have taken Maybe advice and taken dog for a stroll then listened to my relaxation CD. So I feel all chilled out now.

Clinic have just rung to confirm embryo transfer is booked for 11.30am tomorrow. They will check on its progress in the morning and call me with an update before I go in, either way we have to go in at 11.30.

CruCru Tue 11-Sep-12 15:34:54

Hey Sweetie, what good news! I have been in work today but you were on my mind.

Princesslovelyboo Tue 11-Sep-12 15:45:00

Sweetie feeling a lot better now, there are just enough symptoms to be reassuring but not so bad that I want to hug the duvet.
Doing my divide little emby dance for you and will start work on a stick you little bugger dance to start at exactly 11.30 tomorrow, this will be a group dance so we can all join in!!!

cartoonface Tue 11-Sep-12 17:44:33

Ah,yes my internet friends to Mr face. And usually a 'ur on mumsnet again!' Don't think he quite gets it.
sweetie so glad ur egg and Mr s sperm had a wonderful date! Just brooking for the next bit now. So exciting. I've got very positive feelings for u! X
geek so happy that things are moving along for u. NHS can be blooming crap can't they so frustrating when they miss things!
It's all a bit exciting around here isn't it think we were right about this thread being a good un. I'm seeing lots of diffed announcements!

Solars Tue 11-Sep-12 17:48:44

I think you did the right thing in staying away from your reflexologist Sweetie will be joining in the group brookers sticky dance for tomorrow! How exciting!!

Geek I am absolutely shocked by your so called NHS 'consultant' I would have already started to draft a letter of complaint about them by now! That is astounding that he did not pick up on any of those issues!! Glad to hear you have a plan of action now too and you're in much better hands now! Good luck for thursday!

TheLittleFriend Tue 11-Sep-12 19:07:47

sweetie you have an embryo! That's such great news. Brooking for 11.30 tomorrow, when it finds it's home for the next 9 months smilesmilesmile

Brooking for Sweetie's emby!

keepitgoing Wed 12-Sep-12 03:06:27

DIVIDE EMBRYO DIVIDE masses of luck for today, sweetie

geek am appalled as well, and really hope that you will consider writing a formal letter of complaint to the hospital. How long ago did the idiot do your scan. Is there no chance things changed? I assume not. Glad you feel you've got a good team with you, but sorry to hear of all the obstacles. Great that you'll have a trial transfer to sort through any problems.

And beedle good luck to you to. What time is your appointment?

Good luck today Sweetie brooking for ya xx

Geeklette Wed 12-Sep-12 07:00:00

In case I don't have time to write again until lunch (work are certainly keeping me busy at the moment!), good luck sweetie, I'll be thinking about you this morning. Brooking that your emby is looking perfect when they put it in - is it the 8 cell stage?

Princesslovelyboo Wed 12-Sep-12 07:20:24

Brooking super hard Sweetie good luck.

BeedleTheBard Wed 12-Sep-12 07:20:29

Hope everything goes well today sweetie so we can begin our stick embryo stick chant

I won't be able to think of you at the right time as we'll be in our appointment, and I'll be too busy trying to understand ttc stuff in a foreign language, though I suppose what we're going to talk about will almost be a foreign language to DP too grin

I'm really excited about the appointment, as it means we're finally getting things moving, but DP is absolutely dreading it as he's convinced its his sperm that's the problem. And nothing I say seems to make the slightest bit of difference sad

And to continue the mememe theme, my back is a bit better

Will catch up properly later

BeedleTheBard Wed 12-Sep-12 07:22:25

Oh I did mean to say that I can't believe your NHS consultant managed to miss so much geek

keepitgoing Wed 12-Sep-12 07:26:36

how strange he thinks that beedle. I keep saying to mine that it makes no difference what the issue is, or which of us it's with, as we're in it together. I think sperm is quite a matter of pride though.
Can't believe they've been keeping you waiting that long for your results, poor mrbeedle.

Geeklette Wed 12-Sep-12 07:47:26

Oh beedle the very best of luck to you and mrbeedle for today - I am brooking that he has super amazing sperm, and that if anything is found that it is easily fixable. I am in awe of you having such an appointment in another language, respect is due!

Imps7 Wed 12-Sep-12 08:06:37


Massive waves and a delicious cooked breakfast and/or fruit salad for you all xx

Solars Wed 12-Sep-12 08:28:04

Brooking for you Sweetie xx

geek I'm sorry you're having such a shocking time of it!! It'll be worth it in the end

beedle good luck at you appt today

sweetie brooking extra super hard for you today!! Just think by the end of the day there will be an actual fertilised egg in your womble, and I'm brooking it'll be an extra super sticky one!

Beedle good luck for you and MrB today, TTC is hard enough without it been in a foreign language, Brooking that the Swedish Drs are much better than the twunty British Drs can be. Thinking of you my dear & glad your back is a bit better xx

Well they don't keep us in suspense too long, I have just had THE call. The power of Brooking had succeeded for the second day in a row. Our little embie has divided, she said it is a strong 2 cell embryo now and she would imagine it might even be 4 cells by the time of transfer!!! It is all those dances that have made all the difference, I am sure.

Will pop back when I have had my brekkie

Yay that's fantastic news Seeetie - one step at a time smile

Best of luck for today thanks

And best of luck to Beedle too - hope it goes well (and makes sense!)

Oh Sweetie I am over the moon for you. You a 2 cell brooking baby. Can you call it Totem? No? You sure? Will be brooking so hard for you later on. What have you got planned for afterwards?

Geek I am appalled. Truly shocked. What did the nice consultant say about the fact the other one missed so much? I think it just shows the huge variation in quality of care. Not good at all. I too would complain. I am about mrmaybes sperm Twunt GP.

Beedle am brooking super hard for you too. It is a pride thing MrMaybe and I were talking about it the other day. It's also the fact that they feel you are letting you down as they can't give you the one thing that will complete you as a family. MrMaybes words, not mine. It made me love him and tell him off all at the same time. But there won't be anything wrong, no sir-ee.

Solars am so pleased the drugs are being kind to you.

How you feeling Scarlett?

<leaves brekkie for all brookers>

Imps7 Wed 12-Sep-12 08:59:34

Okay have a quick 5 mind before my taxi.

Geek your consultant had been absolutely negligent - unbelievable. It's a real concern and chances are he's been just as lax with other ladies too while being paid handsomely for his expertise. I deffo agree that you formally need to register your concerns so that he/your situation can be investigated. What a total waste of time, money and emotions. Poor you and Mr Geek.

Silars fab that you're getting on okay with the meds! Am willing absolutely everything to go your way.

Beedle it's your appt today is it?? Good luck good luck good luck! But 3 months for SA results? Wow.

Keep what's the weather like over there? Are you feeling settled? Any Brookers fancy a group holiday to Thailand? I know of someone we can all stay with for 3 weeks or so...

Busy busy busy here - having a hell of s time at work at the moment. Oop taxi heremyst be off

cartoonface Wed 12-Sep-12 10:38:22

beedle good luck today.
sweetie thats amazing its all so cleve isnt it totally amazing iyswim! whens the transfer?

Princesslovelyboo Wed 12-Sep-12 12:03:04

Ooh Sweetie such good news, and by now you should be implanted!!! <starts the stick you little bugger dance>

Beedle brooking for your appointment too.

<eats all the breakfast goodies, anyone leaving lunch??>

Geeklette Wed 12-Sep-12 13:02:30

<dances while chanting stick-you-little-bugger-stick-you-little-bugger-stick-you-little-bugger-stick-you-little-bugger-stick-you-little-bugger-stick-you-little-bugger> Brooking you're feeling none the worse for this morning's procedure sweetie, and that you'll soon be at home with your feet up thinking warm and fuzzy implantation thoughts <brookety brook brook brook>

<snaffles the last ham sandwich from under boo's nose>

<adds new stick-you-little-bugger level to the totem>

<leaves vat of mulligatawny soup and fresh bread rolls>

I am back from embryo transfer!! It was delayed by an hour so I was the most desperate I have ever been in my life for a pee, as we were told to arrive at 11.30 with a full bladder. They were impressed by my full bladder and said it made the transfer easier!! DH came in with me spoil sport wouldn't let me take a picture of him in the hospital scrubs to hold my hand. They showed us the embie on a screen before it was inserted. It was now a 4 cell so it had divided again and all the cells looked even size.

That is it for now, just a waiting mentalling game for the next 2 weeks!!!

Off to listen to my IVF relaxation and visualisation CD, post transfer section.

Thanks lovelies for all your support through this super stressy time thanksthanksthanks

Geeklette Wed 12-Sep-12 13:58:52

Oh sweetie that is amazing news! And so fab that it reached a four cell stage even before transfer! You are in with the best possible chance. Brooking like billio for you xxx

beedle any news my lovely?

Solars Wed 12-Sep-12 14:02:52

<plumps up pillows for Sweetie> Oh Sweetie I am so pleased it has all gone so well, just imagine the next time you see your little bundle of cells will be in 8 1/2 months time, it's making me all warm and fuzzy just thinking about it!! You take it easy, lovely! We're all here for you sending out positive vibes thanks

Sweetie this is amazing news. I'm so pleased for you, this seems to have come round so quickly!! I'm hoping these next two weeks fly by x

Well done Sweetie - am keeping everything crossed for you. Rest up x

Sweetie I got my BFP a year ago tomorrow. Brooking like mad that you will have a DC the same age as my DD this time next year.

BeedleTheBard Wed 12-Sep-12 14:58:22

Firstly, excellent news sweetie I will add to the stick embryo stick chant

So MrB's sperm isn't so good and we're probably heading to IVF. We didn't get a printout of the numbers to take away with us but the doc said I was unlikely to get preggo naturally (which is not that surprising given we've been trying for 18 months without a sniff ofa BFP) Then he examined DP and dildocammed me, he found a fibroid but said they'd be able to see more when they do the HSG. They like to do blood tests days 3 to 5 so I have to go back on Friday, then on days 16, 18 & 20 for the "day 21" test. And DP is booked in for a repeat JIAJ

DP is feeling a bit sad and feels that its his fault but hopefully he'll feel better soon. I'm a bit scared about IVF but we didn't really talk much about that so it doesn't seem real yet.

Oh Beedle im so sorry it wasn't great news. Poor mrbeedle. It is really hard, as you don't know what to do o make them feel better about it. Don't be scared about the IVF. You are going to have plenty of us here to hold your hand through it all. They are very thorough with their day 21 bloods!

Princesslovelyboo Wed 12-Sep-12 15:57:48

Well done Sweetie brooking like a mad woman for the next 2 week's for you.

Hoping your appointment was good beedle

Geeklette Wed 12-Sep-12 16:24:17

Oh beedle I'm sorry. It's so hard on our DPs and DHs. It sounds like they are being very thorough with you, too. I really hope that MrBeedle's repeat JIAJ gives better results (one result on its own means very little, so much can affect the quality on a short-term basis). It sounds like IVF is still a fair way off for you, so please try not to worry too much about it for now. Even if that is the route by which you get your baby, we will all be here to support you and you will have four, if not five experienced IVFers to carry you through x

Princesslovelyboo Wed 12-Sep-12 16:40:21

Sorry Beedle just noticed a massive x post, I had mn open for so long I forgot to update it blush I am sorry that you didn't let the answers you we've hoping for, I hope Mr b realizes that this is a team game and no blame can be given anywhere. Brooking for you both.

Solars Wed 12-Sep-12 16:59:30

Oh Beedle I'm so sorry to hear that! One step at a time, lovely and you'll get there. I can understand the shock of hearing the words IVF, I was the same when they first mentioned it to us, it just takes a little time to get used to the idea and you'll be guided through it if it is the route you go down so there's no need to be afraid. Concentrate on DP for now, poor guy x

Beedle as the others say, just try to take things a step of a time. Get the bloods done and see what they say next. It is very hard when the subject of IVF is mentioned, but look as it as a positive. It is just a way to be sure of those eggs and spermies meeting. That is how I try to think of it in my head.

Hope MrB is ok, Brooking for you both xx

Oh beeble im so sorry!! I can't really add anything that hasn't already been said but brooking super hard for you!!

sweetie so glad for you!! Now you have to try an stay as relaxed as possible!! smile so excited for you

How is everyone else?

Imps7 Wed 12-Sep-12 21:30:16

Ooooooooh Sweeie!!! Stickyoubuggerstickyoubuggerstickyoubugger. What do we want? STICKY EMBRYONIC BUGGERS! When do we want them? NOW!

Aaah Beedle sorry for the news. Make sure you and DH need some lovely you time eating meatballs and lingonberry sauce - it must feel like a real shock. Don't forget thought that they said the same thing to Smegs...

Isn't it chilly today?? Nearly wood burner season - waa hoo!

Imps mrsparks was just complaining about how cold he was, he wants to put the fire on (we dont have central heating --we're too cheap to have it installed--) but Im sitting here in my leggings and tshirt thinking how warm I am..... I will not interpret this as a symptom!!!

We have had our fire on this afternoon evening too.

must just be me then hmm... Im normally the first person to feel the cold Ive been known to cry when I get cold

keepitgoing Thu 13-Sep-12 04:31:29

sweetie congratulations! That is so brilliant that it went well and will be 8 or 16 or 32 cells by now. How lovely. I am brooking like crazy for you over the next 13 days. I think you have time off work, so hope you have things planned to keep you relaxed but busy, to stop the mentalling. you are our IVF brooking trailblazer!

beedle am sorry to hear about the sperm news. Do you know what the numbers were like? It's a bit much to say you won't get pg naturally when they've barely done any tests to you, i think! Am glad you had the day off to spend with dh though. In terms of 'fault', i think that people fall pregnant naturally all the time with one thing crap. It's more likely that both people are slightly sub-fertile and putting that together is what does it. That's how i like to think of it anyway. Either way, you're in it together, and you'll get there, especially with the brookers behind you. When's your next appointment? I hope they don't take so long with the SA results this time! We are on similar timescales, lovely, and we'll be pregnant together as well, you mark my words.

Also just to say that I am looking forward to IVF in a way. Yes, it's scary, but so is the thought of endless months of AF. I think that as it sinks in it will feel different.

sparks when is af not due? You know it's true that pregnancy makes people hot. I am always cold in the UK (not here!!) so that was something else i was looking forward to. Now am thinking if i get pregnant here I might die of heat, so will have to just lie in the flat with a/c on for 9 months. Here's hoping!

geeky are you just waiting for cd1 now? When's that likely to be, any idea?

cd11 and still a low on cbfm. last month peak was cd13. dammit, when i want an early ovulation is when i push it back. argh. Please brook for me to ovulate soon, ladies, else next month dh will be away for ov! (although of course i'll have my bfp by then. but brook just in case, please...)

if anyone wants a trip here more than welcome to a room! would love to meet a brooker or two. (though how would i explain you to dh...)

BeedleTheBard Thu 13-Sep-12 07:29:52

Thanks for all your good wishes, I think I was just a bit shocked that the dr said we probably wouldn't manage it ourselves in the first 10 minutes of our first appointment! We did kind of push him into giving us the SA results, I don't think he was planning on starting the appointment with that info!

DP seems OK today, but he's not really a talk-about-his-feelings person, but seeing as he had convinced himself that there wouldn't be any to be found in the sample, the fact that it was just low was almost a good thing! Anyway we're off on holiday soon so we'll have time to relax before they do any more tests on us (except my blood test tomorrow), luckily they start doing blood tests at 7:15 in the morning so I shouldn't need to make excuses for missing work.

sweetie hope you've got some nice relaxing activities lined up for the next 2 weeks

I was going to comment that you're all wimps having the heating on already, then I remembered that ours is related to the outside temperature, so some of the radiators have probably been on this week!

keepitgoing Thu 13-Sep-12 07:44:56

yes beedle - where there's a sperm there's a way! meant to say poor you having a dildo-cam whilst on af...

BeedleTheBard Thu 13-Sep-12 07:56:44

it wasn't too bad, but I did have to suppress a giggle at the absurdity of a bloke sticking something like that inside me and moving it around for about 5 mins whilst DP was the otherside of a curtain. I'm not sure that giggling is the correct response to such an examination! grin

Quick message, I'm off to docs to get proper scan results back this morning and wildly over slept having woken up screaming this morming!! I was dreaming that I was being arrested but I'd just found out I was pregnant and they were being so rough with me! I had to tell hubby while I was in handcuffs!! Weird!!

AF not due in a couple of day, am 12DPO today with my LP anything from 11 to 14 days, few cramps but nothing major, no spotting but no other real symptoms, except maybe extreme fatigue in the afternoons hmm rather a boring 2ww to be honest!!

Imps7 Thu 13-Sep-12 08:40:56

"where there's a sperm there's a way" grin grin

There must be thousands of couples with reduced fertility who conceive naturally never knowing that their fertility is reduced, IFSWIM. Just because you actually know now that there are low sperm it doesn't make it any less likely to happen (again, IYSWIM - I am knackered so potentially making no sense to anyone but myself). Our brooking shall ensure that you get there!

Maybe - thoughts on GBBO? That key lime and ginger pie looked amazing.

<fans Sweeie with a palm leaf and feeds her grapes and cake on the way out>

BeedleTheBard Thu 13-Sep-12 08:54:54

key lime and ginger pie? mmmmmm tell me more imps and maybe

Oh Imps how amazing did that look?! I think it's in my book. May well have rustle it up, it's mrmaybes favourite.

Beedle glad you are feeling a little better this morning. I agree with others though, if there was sperm, then you can def get diffed.

Keep I'm on the next plane out.

Sparks bay dreams? Preggo fact.

keepitgoing Thu 13-Sep-12 10:32:36

good luck sparks
you never know, no symptoms is a symptom, isn't it?? No spotting is good!

Geeklette Thu 13-Sep-12 10:34:23

sparks good luck with your scan results, what a weird dream! Diffed-induced, you think?? grin

sweetie how are you feeling today? I wonder how many cells it is up to now - I am so so so excited for you!

Just a quickie from me while I have my desk to myself for a minute. Got my trial transfer this afternoon (2pm) and have to go with a full bladder so I'm drinking water like it's going out of fashion and will have to cross my legs for the 1.5 hour car ride sad Bit nervous now, but nothing like what I'll be for the real thing! Hopefully the transfer will go smoothly and my fibroid will be helpful and stay out of the way.

No idea when AF will be due, if this is a short cycle then hopefully another 3-4 weeks. If I haven't detected ovulation by CD30, I need to take a drug to induce AF. The people at the Priory were pleased to hear I did track temps and take OPKs, they said it was really helpful to them. Such a far cry from Twunty Consulty who poo-pood the whole thing as being unscientific and inaccurate!

I don't know what to do about making a complaint, I'm worried it might jeopardise my post-IVF chances of getting further help from the consultant so I think I'll wait and cross that bridge as and when it happens.

Damn, time to get on with some work!

ScarlettInSpace Thu 13-Sep-12 10:44:22

Hi all, sorry am being v slack at the mo but am checking on you all regularly, just my little drugged up fingers struggle to type on my stupid BB <another weak smile> am also horrendously grumpy & anti-social which clearly seems to be not just confined to RL sad

sweetie I am and have been absolutely made up for you and have been relaying to OH so you are now kind of famous, just cos I'm not typing don't think I'm not brooking. OH says it goes to prove the quality over quantity opinion [he thinks statistics are stupid btw and you have proved his point quite spectacularly grin ]

solars glad you are having a better time than me on all of this! I spoke to the nurse on tuesday and she said it's rubbish that I've been hit with so many of the side effects but none of them are uncommon, I just need to stick it out til the stims begin.

beedle here at the brookers club we seem to have a pretty strong history of proving doctors wrong one way or another and conceiving against the odds so you go girl wink

sparks vivid weird dream = symptom, fact.

keep am still well jell of your living situation, what I wouldn't give to be somewhere other than here right now!

waves to maybe boo face geek imps cru and all the lurking preggos

AFM well I've been really worrying that AF wasn't going to show up [was due at the weekend] and this whole horrible thing was going to be a waste of time before we even got past stage 1, but some sore boobage this morning and I eventually, ahem, found some darker CM that could be classed as spotting blush so hopefully I will bleed before Monday [when I'm booked for baseline scan] and we will be able to progress to stage 2...

Aw scarlett so sorry the symptoms seem to be going on and on for you, hopefully the witch will come early and you can start on stage 2. I am loving my living IVF legend state in your household.

Good luck Geek with you scan and mock transfer. Hope they don't keep you waiting too long, I have never wanted to pee so bad in my life as yesterday, but it did make the transfer easy. Apparently full bladder pushes the uterus away, so it might do the same with your fibroids?

Sparks brooking super hard for you. And in my book vivid dreams and afternoon fatigue would be defo symptoms!!

Imps thanks for the grapes and cake, how are you doing with the nonTTC?

Beedle enjoy you holibobs and look after MrB, it is so difficult for OHs as they just expect it to happen without any knowledge of how or why. Hope you are both ok now the news is settling down. I also admire you having to go through fanjocam while on AF.

I have been trying to take it easy so far but keep imagining twinges. My lower tummy feels quite tight but I think that might have more to do with my bladder going back to normal after yesterday. I am trying to stay as calm as possible but have been really upset because my little dog is really poorly (at vets right now having scans and biopsy) but at least it is stopping me mentalling about IVF. We have to collect her this afternoon and discuss options with vet. Not looking good I am afraid - why does everything come at once??

Princesslovelyboo Thu 13-Sep-12 12:19:09

Has anyone else's mn mobile home page changed? Mine isn't showing a link for threads I'm on? hmm

cartoonface Thu 13-Sep-12 12:28:49

oh no sweetie whats up with the dog?
ah sweetie its horrible when you feel like that i hope your side effects let up soon.
sparks did you say the appointment was today?
thinking of you as well geek x

face i had started a thread in the Doghouse to see if anyone else had seen similar. Vet just rung again to say it is very aggressive cancer (spindle cell) so we have to decided what is kinder. It is a no brainer to be honest, but very very sad as she seems fine.

cartoonface Thu 13-Sep-12 12:45:38

oh sweetie im sorry sad how awful for you to have to decide.

You know how you can store ready-to-drink formula in the fridge for 48 hours? Stupid question possibly but do I need to put it into a sterilised bottle to do that? Sorry it's such a dopey qn.....

Totally the wrong thread there blushblush

(although if anyone knows the answer.....)

Sorry. Still brooking for y'all (as evidenced by my obviously lurking!)

cartoonface Thu 13-Sep-12 12:58:57

haha grin

Princesslovelyboo Thu 13-Sep-12 13:03:26

Oh Sweetie when will they ........... would they wait while she is still ok or take care of her sooner? I am so sorry <gentle un MNy hugs> thanks

BeedleTheBard Thu 13-Sep-12 13:08:09

Oh sweetie I'm so sorry about your little dog ((hugs))

biscuits if its any help, I have never bothered to sterlise a bottle of ready to drink wine before I put it in the fridge grin Unfortunately I know nothing about formula!

I'll put it in a wine bottle then Beedle - that should do the trick grin. Now, just need to empty one......

Sweetie so sorry about your little dog sad Thinking of you xx thanks

Solars Thu 13-Sep-12 14:50:59

Sweetie sorry to hear about your dog, how very sad {{hugs}}

Scarlett I too have been worried about non-showing of withdrawal bleed but she arrived yesterday accompanied by very painful cramps and night sweats to boot sad Sorry to hear you are still not feeling well but it's not too long til you start your stimms, next week right?

Good luck Geek with your scan and trial transfer, it'll be a doddle!

Sparkes definitely diffed!

Maybe & Imps I am in the middle of making a lemon cheesecake for DH, I too watched GBBO and loved the look of that key lime pie, I will hunt the internet for that recipe, DH loves things all lemony and limey!

Waves to everyone else x

sweetie oh you poor poor thing, not what you need at all but at least you're being responsible and making the decision before she gets to a stage where she is suffering!! Heart breaking though!!

I've forgotten who else I was going to name check!!

My appt went well(ish) I have cysts on both my ovaries so my doctor has confirmed the PCOS diagnosis, no shock there! Apparently they also found a rather large cyst on one of my ovaries but they think that might be due to recent ovulation (I forget who had something similar) so I have to go back for a follow up scan, all being well that cyst will have gone, apparently the scanner should've explained all of this before we left the hospital rather than me just receiving a referral for a second scan (unnecessary stress/worry).

Soooooo my doc (I saw the lovely one today, that looks a bit like professor trelawney) is happy to refer me pending the all clear from a rubella blood test, which I had this morning (walked out the doc office and practically straight in to the nurses)

She explained everything, the implications of PCOS, what I can expert from the fertility clinic, she told me not to blame myself then looked meaningfully at mrsparks and told him that he'd 'have to do his part too' she even had a little joke about how many couples get diffed just waiting for the referral!

Feeling pretty good about it all, just sort of takes the pressure off iyswim?!

Just gotta go take my choccie brownies out the oven then i'll do some more name checking

ScarlettInSpace Thu 13-Sep-12 15:51:08

Sorry to hear about your doggie sweetie sad Life is so bloody up & down sometimes, it feels like you're being flung from one end of a pitch to another...

biscuits I'm pretty sure I was weaned on wine bottles so I'm sure it'll be fine wink

sparks it's deffo the knowing that helps, it all becomes something a bi more controllable and solveable then.

solars scan on Monday so fx can start stimms then...

I'm going to make total comfort food for dinner, a proper lamb & mint hotpot, it takes about 3 hours but is lush...

Sweetie have you been to see the vet yet. Have some v unMNy hugs thanks

Hope everyone else is ok. xx

Oh Sweetie lovely, I'm thinking of you. Must be so hard x

Dinner sounds immense Scarlett

I love cheesecake Solars. If I get a chance tomorrow, I will type the key lime pie recipe up and email it to anyone who fancies it

<waves to all other brookers>

Imps7 Thu 13-Sep-12 19:15:29

Oh sweetie poor pooch. Losing a pet is awful. We had to put one of our rabbits down a couple of years ago and if I'm honest I wish I'd done it two days before we actually did. He was in a poorly way, the vet said there was a slim hope he would get better and I held on to that slim hope. He didn't get better, of course, and by the time I took him to have the jab I felt awful that I had prolonged his illness. Still feel guilty about that, poor wee rabbit.

There's never an easy way to make a difficult decision. If your dog is still full of beans now, it may be the best way for him to see off the world if there's no guarantees about the future.

<pulls up a chair, some camomile tea and a few Lindors for Sweetie and forces her to sit down and take it easy>

<gives her a sneaky hug too>

Geeklette Thu 13-Sep-12 19:53:19

oh sweetie how awful, your poor dog. What an awful decision, and particularly bad timing. Whatever you decide will be for the best, because you love your dog and have their best interest at heart.

Just a quick scan update - the exceedingly full bladder helped enormously, the catheter slid straight in and straight out - yay!

Unfortunately the scan showed that the ovary with the endometrioma is the only one that would be accessible for egg collection and there is absolutely no guarantee that it would even make any eggs given the size of the cyst. The good ovary is miles away from anywhere the consultant could reach. I need an operation (keyhole surgery hopefully) to shift my good ovary to where it ought to be, and where he can reach it. With luck, since my GP surgery supports 'choose and book', my Priory consultant can do that work without too much of a wait. Otherwise, I'm back on the NHS for 6-9 months. On the plus side, even if that does happen, he is very happy with my eekily high AMH so I don't need to worry too much about time being against me. He even said I was nice and young at 36 blush I love my consultant grin

Hopefully will speak to him again tomorrow to confirm things, find out timescales etc.

sparks so pleased your scan went well, they should have told you that at the outset though instead of worrying you with an appointment for a second scan with no explanation. It sounds like you have a bit of a plan in place, which is excellent, and nice to have MrSparks reminded he has his part to play too!!

Right, off to finish tea - aubergine & quorn lasagne, weight watchers style (2lb off this week - let's see if I can get to goal before IVF!)

Love and brooking to all, sorry I haven't namechecked everyone but I really do appreciate each and every one of your messages. Will catch up later/tomorrow properly x

Geek glad the mock transfer went well. It is also good that they can look at moving the good ovay to a better place to collect all those lovely eggs when the time comes.

Sparks pleased you scan went well too, sounds like progress is being made

Well dog is home, she still seems just like herself which makes it a worse decision to make. So we are going to have a lovely day tomorrow, go to our favourite park, feed her tuna & scrambled egg - her favourites, let her sleep on the bed and generally pamper her. Then take her Saturday back, hopefully she won't have got any worse but we will all have had quality time together and everyone can say their goodbyes. My parents care for her while I am at work, I drop her off on the way and collect her on my way home, but they are on holiday at the moment & come home tomorrow, so at least they get chance to see her too.

I am trying not to get upset, very difficult, but do you think this stress will impact our embryo?

Oh Sweetie sad

I'm quite tearful reading that sad. Goodness knows how you must be feeling. <Offers more hugs>

I know this is horribly stressful for you and so sad too sad. I am sure it won't affect that nestling in little emby. Try to make sure you take a bit of time to relax, perhaps with your relaxation cd thingamy? Be kind to yourself thanks

<offers yet more hugs>

Princesslovelyboo Thu 13-Sep-12 21:16:04

Sweetie it is so sad, I am so sorry this is happening now. But please be assured, your little emby is a brooking emby and is made of strong stuff, and it is far too busy getting comfy.

Geek glad your trial went well, do you know what sort of waiting time you could have using choose and book, it is really good that they can do that just to make sure you get the very best golden egg!!! So pleased you have such a good team looking after you now smile

Right, I'm off to bed, the sickness has given way to tiredness sad I actually took a nap earlier blush

keepitgoing Fri 14-Sep-12 03:08:06

sweetie am thinking of you today, and hope you have a lovely day together. It is so awful losing a pet, I am always distraught. My mother always says do not worry about the pet, they live in the moment and as long as they are with you they are happy. And do not worry about your emby, people get pregnant in all sorts of stressful situations. We are all brooking for you like crazy.

geek am brooking for a quick key hole surgery appointment for you. glad you have a good consultant.

i'm still low on cbfm. FFS. Please brook that i'll go straight to peak over the weekend, lovely ladies.

BeedleTheBard Fri 14-Sep-12 07:17:12

geek sounds like you have a plan, but it all sounds so difficult, having an operation just so that your ovary is in the right place for egg collection for IVF. how come other people just get to have sex a couple of times??

sparks sounds like things are heading in the right direction for you too

sweetie sorry you're having such a sad time, but I'm sure it will have no effect on your sticky little embryo, who is currently making itself comfy for 8 and half months of growing ((hugs))

keep I'm brooking for your peak grin

I'm not sure if I thanked you all for your kind thughts about our appointment, if I didn't, thankyou and I've made you all a brew

Had my first blood test this morning, HIV and other stuff (eeek), FSH and Chlamydia, I didn't realise they could test for Chlamydia from my blood, I was a bit worried they were going to drag me away and demand I remove my trousers so they could swab me shock But they didn't, so I wasn't even late for work grin

Anyway as I am at work I ought to do some <waves to all>

keep I hope it happens soon but try not stress that can kill ovulation dead!!

beedle all those blood tests are making me feel woozy just thinking about it!

I feel flipping stupid this morning, AF due today or tomorrow, so i thought I'd take a test, wiped (tmi) and the little biatch had arrived!! Right on queue!! Ah well can't say I wasn't expecting her

Hope everyone has a good day today!!

Hopefully I'll have a new job by the end of it!! Wish me luck!!

Princesslovelyboo Fri 14-Sep-12 09:02:47

Good luck Sparks sorry the bitch got you though sad

Morning brooker's hope you all have a good day.

Solars Fri 14-Sep-12 09:12:58

Oh Sweetie how heartbreaking for you lots of hugs thanks

Sparkes she really is a horrible old hag! But good luck with the job!

Beedle that is strange about the chlamydia? I got swabbed but would rather have the blood test!

Geek sounds like you're on the road to getting that baby now!

Brooking for your high Keep

Don't go to too much trouble Maybe I'm sure it will turn up in the Internet soon! How are you feeling these days?

BeedleTheBard Fri 14-Sep-12 10:29:27

sorry to hear that sparks I think the same thing has happened to me as well, the only good thing is using a ramekin so no stock is wasted hmm Is the interview today? Good luck, I'm sure you'll knock them dead (hopefully not literally as being in prison might not help you very much grin )

solars I thought it was a bit weird too, I'm half expecting them to ring and say I need to go in again. The Dr offered to do a smear on Wednesday (in a whilst I'm there poking around sort of way!) but we decided it wouldn't be such a good idea due to AF. Anyway I'm fairly certain I don't have it as I was tested about 4 or 5 years ago (and there hasn't been anyone other than DP for a good few years before that)

keepitgoing Fri 14-Sep-12 10:29:43

oh sparks sad i had high hopes for you this month, what with no symptoms and keeping a low profile on it all. Do you know how long your clinic referral will take?

beedle i had my chlamydia done on urine, as i had a bit of spotting still when i went, so they didn't want to confuse matters.

Right Im nearly ready, its taken my ages!! least this takes my mind off everything, and then I can have a nice well earned glass of wine tonight!!!

I have to wait for my rubella blood test results to come back (so next week) then the doc will send the referral off. Not sure how long that will take but we'll 'keep at it' regardless!!

sorry for being a bit mememe today, mild preoccupied.

Geeklette Fri 14-Sep-12 13:19:56

oooh good luck sparks!!!

I've left a message for my consultant that my GP won't take my word for the referral letter for choose and book, and have asked him to write to my GP detailing what he needs my GP to do. No idea about timescales, so I'm just going to play it by ear, and be aware that the arrival of AF may not now coincide with the start of my IVF cycle.

Sorry for lack of posts, being kept far too busy at work sad

We have also been adopted by a cat that had befriended one of our kittens (can I still call them kittens? They had their first birthday yesterday - eek! So grown up already!) so are being kept very busy with him/her!

sweetie I hope your dog is still acting healthy and well, and that you get some nice times in before the weekend. Saying goodbye is so hard. I don't think it will affect your embryo though - they are tough little things, and won't be getting your hormones and blood supply for a couple of weeks yet, so please don't worry on that count. I think boo has proven that it is definitely possible to get pg despite stressful circumstances.

<waves to all and leaves bottomless supplies of lattes, cappucinos and espressos of the caffeinated and decaff varieties for all>

BeedleTheBard Fri 14-Sep-12 14:14:30

Question for you ladies:
Yesterday evening I googled the dr we saw on Wed - just because I wanted to find out if he was a consultant - I was hoping to find something on teh hospitals website I suppose. Anyway all I found (other than his age and address which I wasn't looking for!) was a link to a paper he had co-authored about liver transplant, so I remarked on this to DP and he was really shocked and almost angry that I had googled him. So, (and here's the question) was I completely weird to google the dr or was DP still feeling a bit sensitive about the dr's appointment? I assumed the latter and so just dropped the subject but I thought I'd just check with you lot grin

Well it's in the hands of the gods now (well the interview panel) anyway!!

geek sorry that it's going straight forwardly but you'll get there!! My kitties (3 year olds) keep bringing strays home, we name them and create little stories about them because we're sad like that, my favourite is Ronald (because he is low and slinky like a weasel > Weasley > Ronald Weasley) who only comes round when he isnt at hogwarts not a nut job honest!!

beedle I'd have done the same, so I think maybe he is still a little bit raw! I know it's difficult to switch off but maybe you could spend the weekend doing non TTC related things? And try and keep it away from any convos?

Geeklette Fri 14-Sep-12 15:47:16

Quickie before I nip into a meeting: beedle I have googled everyone who has involvement in my care. I think it's par for the course in this age of technology. I agree with sparks though, maybe try to put it to one side for the weekend and give DP lots of attention away from the TTC arena.

BeedleTheBard Fri 14-Sep-12 16:50:13

Thanks geek that was what I wanted to hear, I'm not some crazy stalker grin
Hope your GP and consultant manage to get everything sorted out soon.

And sparks I haven't planned to talk about at all actually, he knows he needs to make a few lifestyle changes and its up to him if he does them. I'm not sure it would be enough to make a difference even if he became a monk (whilst still having sex with me of course), but I would like to see a few changes just to show willing. Oh and we have got quite a busy weekend ahead and then we're of on holiday soon so that should be enough to keep our minds off it, unfortunately I will probably have ovulated before we go away so there won't be an ironic holiday pregnancy!
Oh and did they say when they would be offering you the job? grin

ReturnOfTheMunx Fri 14-Sep-12 19:59:01

Evening ladies

Just wanted to pop in to say thanks for all the lovely congrats!

DS is 8 days old now and is testament to the power of brooking!

Wishing you all well, you truly deserve BFPs soon x

beedle least you have some fun things planned!! It'll be good to have a break!!

I'm afraid I didn't put in a Stella performance interview wise so think I am stuck where I am for the time being will know by the end of next week but I won't hold my breath sad no biggy though!!

BeedleTheBard Sat 15-Sep-12 07:41:04

Sorry to hear that you don't think the interview went too well sparks but you never know, you might be just the person they were looking for.

sweetie hope you're ok

scarlett what are they checking for in your scan on Mon? I hope the next lot of drugs have less side effects for you

solars hope everything is going ok with you as well.

We're really looking forward to our holiday, its an adults only hotel so we won't have to listen other peoples children whilst we're relaxing in the sun grin Obviously I'm hoping that this will be our last proper child-free holiday for a while as I'll be too heavily pregnant to fly next summer hmm Well, positive thinking is good.

Right, I hope everyone has a relaxing stressfree weekend <leaves bacon rolls>

Munx lovely, so good to see you. Hope you are all settling in well.

Sweetie I'm thinking of you today x

Beedle where are you off to? Can I come too please? Ta muchly

Sparks you're going to get this job. I'm brooking no argument.

<leaves tea, apple juice, crumpets and blackberry jam for all>

ScarlettInSpace Sat 15-Sep-12 09:54:45

sweetie love hope you're ok and you had a lovely day yesterday xx

beedle I always google consultants grin On Monday they are scanning to check there are no signs of life in my ovaries and that my womb lining is as thin as can be, then they know the down regulation has worked so I can start taking the stimulation phase which I have been assured by everyone [including the nurses] will counteract the effects I am having now so fx.

sparks with internal jobs it's often not much to do with the actual interview so in sure if they want you they will look at a lot of other factors too, so don't worry too much about it!

Geek I agree with everyone else re doofus consultant, if you are worried that a strongly worded complaint could affect your treatment later on why not raise your concerns rather than complain? Perhaps with your GP?

solars I don't know about you bit this has to have been the heaviest AF I've ever had, now it's finally arrived!! [sorry TMI] I have never had to get up in the middle of the night before to change due to a torrent of leakage blush

I've had enough now to be honest and there's a part of me that wished I never started... I've started planning all the things I'm going to do when I've finished because it all feels fairly pointless, OH says it's the drugs and I know he's probably right so roll on Monday!!

Hugs to maybe and everyone else xx

Oh Scarlett you poor thing. I am willing Monday to come as quickly as possible for you so you can start on the better drugs. Can I ask a stupid question? How do they decide who should go on the different protocols?

ScarlettInSpace Sat 15-Sep-12 10:12:48

It's not a stupid question love wink

It depends on lots of things but mostly age i think. If you are older they don't like to fully down reg as its essentially forcing your body into a false menopausal state so there's a risk your body won't pull itself back out naturally but that's a pretty small risk.

It also depends on your consultant. My acu thought I'd go short protocol even though I'm only 35 because of my low AMH and high FSH but my consultant said she'd been involved in some research work with Dr Georges at Zita West which had shown the better results from long protocol outweighed any risks at my age & with my results do that's why she wanted us to go long p, any good consultant will discuss both with you and why they are making their recommendations.

There's also a school of thought that the NHS favours long p as they can then schedule your cycle into their timetable as they are so busy but private clinics can be more flexible, which also makes sense, however it is for free so if that means being shoehorned into a schedule then I don't mind too much...

Thanks Scarlett that all makes sense! I think I may well be looking at the long protocol then. I'm only 27 so I think my body would cope. Just trying o prepare myself for what hopefully lies ahead! You're going to feel so much better next week, I'm brooking no argument.

Princesslovelyboo Sat 15-Sep-12 12:03:51

Hiya all, Sweetie thinking of you today, I hope your ok.

Scarlett I hope you can start the new drugs and feel better soon.

Now then, I am doing a 5 hour sponsored spin in aid of our local Hospice (Ashgate Hospice if you want to have a look) if anyone would like to sponsor me there is a Just Giving link on my facebook page smile

Eats all the leftover breakfasts and goes!!!

Morning all, I have just had the toughest 24 hours!!! It has been a hell of a week, what an emotional rollercoaster, what with the IVF and then the dog. Anyway all over and done now so onwards and upwards, circle of life etc, etc. I wish I could have a glass or 10 of wine to take the edge off but am having to make do with chocolate!!!

boo should you really be doing such a hard core activity in your condition, how about we sponsor you not to do it???

fingers crossed Sparks that you knocked their socks off at your interview, we all know it isn't over 'til the fat lady sings!!

Beedle happy holibobs

Scarlett I am brooking so hard for you, terrible that you are having a horrific AF but then the exciting bit starts and it will be so worth it, look at me with my crappy old ovaries, managed to produce my single egg. Give it chance and try to keep a PMA.

Maybe I had short protocol because I only had 2 lonely follicles on my initial scan, I didn't do a AMH test so not sure what that is I didn't want to be compared against more numbers my FSH was only 8 which is good for someone of my age (38). They didn't even discuss long protocol with me, but I am sort of glad I was on short to avoid the side effects down regging can cause.

Hope everyone is enjoying the Autumnal sunshine. I am off to my 6 year old nieces birthday party, it is a dance theme where a dance tutor comes in and teaches them a routine that they perform at the end of the afternoon to all the parents!!! DH refuses point blank to come with me - can not say I blame him really, not sure it is my idea of fun 30 screaming 6 year old girls!! Lie down in a dark room will be required later I am sure.

Princesslovelyboo Sat 15-Sep-12 12:38:11

Sweetie I am so sorry about your little dog.

Now don't worry, I have been declared fit and well to do the spin, my lovely instructor (who is also my boxing instructor) said I am allowed breaks, as long as I drink plenty and pace myself I should be fine. This is the last big challenge I will be taking on now. smile

Solars Sat 15-Sep-12 12:40:54

Thinking of you today too Sweetie thanks

Scarlett day 1 of my bleed was a lot worse than normal but the next days have been fine so far. I'm now starting to wonder if the drugs are actually having any effect on me at all confused By the way I also asked our clinic about the difference between long and short protocol and age is is a factor but it's more to do with ovarian reserve and response to ovarian stimulation that decides which protocol they put you on and partly I guess down to the clinic and what they think gives a better result. Brooking for a really good scan on monday and a start to the next phase for you! I agree with your OH, that's the drugs talking it will work for you. Fact!

Sparkes it was me who had a cyst at one scan and then disappeared by the next. Booking for your job.

Have a lovely holiday Beedle

Great to see you Munx

We're being descended on by 4 nieces and nephews today, wish me luck with the entertaining thankfully we have glorious sunshine here which helps! Have a lovely weekend all x

BeedleTheBard Sat 15-Sep-12 14:06:18

So so sorry about your little doggy sweetie she looks so cute in the picture. I hope the chocolate is making you feel a tiny bit better. Have fun at the birthday party, and I think you're right you will need a quiet lay down afterwards grin

cartoonface Sat 15-Sep-12 19:26:00

Cycle day 24 and I can already feel the witches arrival imminent

sweetie I hope youre ok, be kind to yourself after you get back from the party obviously xx

I am not drink!! Honest!!! Bahahahaha

Princesslovelyboo Sat 15-Sep-12 21:42:46

Well someone needs to be Sparks cos it ain't me any more!

Only thing stopping me going bonkers!! Hate preggers peeps who have to constantly stroke their bump sadsad

Princesslovelyboo Sat 15-Sep-12 22:14:44

<makes note not to stroke impending bump near Sparks>

It's not the rubbing of bumps it's the excessive rubbing of bumps..... Sure I'll be able to put my point across much more coherently tomorrow!! Thank
Heavens for predictive text!!!!

Princesslovelyboo Sun 16-Sep-12 08:57:12

Oh i see, do you mean those people despite it being pretty obvious they are pregnant,they have to emphasise is by constantly rubbing bump? They are the people who have a week by week update on FB, mum to be sticker in the car and from about 6 weeks also have their hand on their back and shuffle off the sofa like they are full term. wow, didn't realise how much i didn't like preggos

CruCru Sun 16-Sep-12 11:21:11

When you are pregnant, do your best not to do these things. grin

Solars Sun 16-Sep-12 20:09:59

Hope everyone has had a lovely weekend!

Just wanted to say brooking extra hard for your scan tomorrow Scarlett, lovely, hoping you get to start those stims and you start to fell better soon x


keepitgoing Mon 17-Sep-12 04:29:17

scarlett all the best for today's scan. I am brooking that you'll be able to start on your next cocktail of drugs, which will be the opposite and make you feel amazing!

sparks i agree with you on the bump-rubbing. You might as well rub my face in it. good luck for the job application - i agree with whoever said that internal jobs are less about the interview than about whether they just want you.

sweetie what are you up to this week? hope you have some nice things planned.

Well, I got my peak this morning, so had a sneaky rat-smacking session before work. DH has another one planned in for tonight smile Only two days of highs, normally 4... But i'm not complaining.

We had a great weekend, got out of the city which was lovely as it's hot and smelly here. We are having proper rain - people are worried about a repeat of last year's flooding within the next month or so.

Princesslovelyboo Mon 17-Sep-12 07:05:16

Scarlet brooking for your scan, really hope you will affable to start the next cocktail.

Morning everyone, how are we all doing on this lovely Monday?

Geeklette Mon 17-Sep-12 07:11:29

Morning all!

scarlett brooking like mad for today's scan for you, you've had such a rough ride so far but the other drugs should help and the end will be well worth the means.

sweetie how are you feeling?

solars how long til your next step?

Went to bed without ironing any shirts last night so am in a bit of a flap this morning. My whole routine has gone to pot. Arggh!

<leaves an iron, shirts and a laundry basket of wet clothes needing hanging up and goes in search of breakfast>

Geeklette Mon 17-Sep-12 07:13:08

<sticks head back through the door briefly to congratulate keep on her peak and sneaky SWI>

Princesslovelyboo Mon 17-Sep-12 07:14:13

Geek we're not doing it for you!!! <taps foot>

Imps7 Mon 17-Sep-12 08:39:39

Morning all!

Scarlett good luck x1,000,000,000,000,002 for this morning. What time is the scan?

Geek I hate it when my morning routine changes. The first time Moyles played a song before 7am I went a bit mental thinking I was 20 mins late - he had always played his first song while I brushed my teeth and that time I'd only just got out of the shower. Put me on edge for the whole day, that did. Am well sad he's left now.

Sparks excessive bump rubbing is annoying. I also get annoyed with preggos who assume that because you've never been pregnant you know absolutely nothing about the subject of babies or how they are grown. <jots that down in her book of Wot Not To Do When With Child>

Sweetie hope you're taking it easy today after your upsetting weekend. Can I bring you anything/do any chores for you? Don't want to see you lift a finger at the mo.

Boo how are you getting along? How many weeks now?? Scan booked??

Gorgeous autumnal weather this morning. Love those crisp sunny mornings. Would love them more if I could stay in bed though.

Good day to you all <doffs cap>

Imps7 Mon 17-Sep-12 08:40:55

Morning all!

Scarlett good luck x1,000,000,000,000,002 for this morning. What time is the scan?

Geek I hate it when my morning routine changes. The first time Moyles played a song before 7am I went a bit mental thinking I was 20 mins late - he had always played his first song while I brushed my teeth and that time I'd only just got out of the shower. Put me on edge for the whole day, that did. Am well sad he's left now.

Sparks excessive bump rubbing is annoying. I also get annoyed with preggos who assume that because you've never been pregnant you know absolutely nothing about the subject of babies or how they are grown. <jots that down in her book of Wot Not To Do When With Child>

Sweetie hope you're taking it easy today after your upsetting weekend. Can I bring you anything/do any chores for you? Don't want to see you lift a finger at the mo.

Boo how are you getting along? How many weeks now?? Scan booked??

Gorgeous autumnal weather this morning. Love those crisp sunny mornings. Would love them more if I could stay in bed though.

Good day to you all <doffs cap>

Imps7 Mon 17-Sep-12 08:43:21

Oooh a message so good you got it twice.

keepitgoing Mon 17-Sep-12 08:45:54

ah, crisp mornings. Don't see any of them round 'ere.

geek - i'd just wear a crumpled shirt. Often do, in fact.

imps - what accurate writing you have these days. are you not on the iphone, perchance? How's things with you - are you still taking it easy on the ttc front? Wish I could take a leaf out of your book, really.

is anyone in the tww, other than, of course, sweetie? We need some bfps, girlies.

Imps7 Mon 17-Sep-12 09:18:03

Keep believe it or not I am on the iPhone! I am trying really hard to type accurately these days - have sent a couple of emails to clients featuring classic Imps Fingers typos and quite frankly it's embarrassing! So have got into the habit of checking as I go along and deleting mistakes. Takes bloody ages to type anything though!

Yes, still verging on the side of non-TTC and generally having a lovely time with OH. We're still TTC as we would quite like a family and will start tests in the New Year I think (by then it will have been around 18 cycles) just to see what's amiss but we are both of the view that for us having kiddieswinks is not the be all and end all. Our view on this may change in future of course but for now that's where we're at.

Which goes a very long way to prove that the "relax and it will happen" theory is bunkem. But we knew that anyway!

Solars Mon 17-Sep-12 10:04:25

Morning <peeps head around corner surreptitiously as I've not done any work yet and really shouldn't be here> I am so very tired this morning, not much sleep as it was a nightmare getting to sleep last night. It was like my mood had suddenly switched from being very optimistic to the complete opposite, all the worst things I could possibly think could go wrong with IVF was buzzing around my head keeping me awake. I even started silently weeping, DH heard me and calmed me down somewhat. It just all seemed very bizarre, I feel ok now just very, very tired!!

Sweetie hope you're ok

Nice to see you around Imps I love these crisp autumnal mornings too!

Geek my scan is booked a week tomorrow so still one more week of downregging for me <sigh> if AF had started the day before it did, I would be having my scan tomorrow, but luckily I've not suffered greatly from the side effects so another week should be ok. <grabs laundry basket and hangs up Geeks clothes, will do anything to avoid concentrating on real work at the moment!>

Keep sounds like you smacked that rat good and proper!

Princesslovelyboo Mon 17-Sep-12 10:05:11

Hello again. Funny you should have asked today Imps had my first appointment with the endocrine doc today and they surprised me with an early scan, baby boo is 7 weeks old and looks very comfy with a good heartbeat. smilesmilesmile

keepitgoing Mon 17-Sep-12 10:22:09

oh boo that's brilliant news! well done you

solars it's the drugs talking. Hang in there. Glad your DH is being supportive, though it must be hard to know what to do. One more week, and you've done two already i think? so you're nearly at the next stage.

imps thank you for debunking that godawful theory, which only serves to make women feel even worse about not conceiving. That winds me up no end. Of course there are some women who happen to conceive on a month when they're relaxed. But plenty of others conceive when stressed etc etc.

Where's face - when are you back on the rat-smacking? Now you've got a plan are you just going for it, or waiting till a bit closer to your wedding?

geek what's up with the geeks, are you still on for IVF next cycle or still having appointment issues. I think i've lost the plot with you, sorry...

ReturnOfTheMunx Mon 17-Sep-12 10:59:16

Just popping in to say good luck with appointments and scans.

Thinking of you all.

BeedleTheBard Mon 17-Sep-12 11:22:47

Yeah congratulations boo

Morning ladies
boo I didn't realise babyboo was so far along, great news on the scan - big hip hip hooray

solars so sorry you are feeling down, it is the drugs and the feeling of helplessness, but it isn't for too much longer. We are here for you with hugs and support.

Phone ringing, i will be back shortly !!

ScarlettInSpace Mon 17-Sep-12 12:10:13

Morning all, v quick post as on phone at trade show, thanks sooooooo much for the brooking, it clearly worked as I am totally down reg'd and start stim tomorrow grin

Just have to worry about stim not working now lol...

Next scan week tomorrow to see if ovary is responding brookety brook brook x

Imps7 Mon 17-Sep-12 12:27:57

<pops on her tap shoes and performs an astonishingly good brooking dance for Scarlett>

Ooooh it's all looking good so far Scarlett! And for you Boo! Hurrah!!

Solars honey no silent weeping! Don't try to keep your emotions under wraps - we don't want you being sad in silence. Brooking with all my might that the next drugs are kinder to you.

Got to have a filling on Friday - BOOOOO. It's only my second, which I think at 32 isn't too bad but still annoyed that my gnashers aren't as lovely as they used to be.

Scarlett great news, the stims are a breeze in comparison to down regs, the prep is just a bit messy and time consuming. I was absolutely fine with it. Very exciting time, not long now.

Geek I only buy clothes I fill squash myself into so all the wrinkles disappear wink

Well done keep for morning rat smacking, just what the Dr ordered.

I have no symptoms to report, lower tummy still feels like I have pulled something but that might be everything settling back down after what it aha been through.

But I have gone and done something silly, please don't shout at me. I have bought a puppy!! I was so missing my dog and need something to take my mind off all the upset and worry. So we collected her yesterday, little black cockerpoo. She is a real live wire but adorable. I will obviously get an ironic BFP now won't I?

Princesslovelyboo Mon 17-Sep-12 12:45:52

Oh Solars, sorry you had a bad night, but like the others said, please don't try and keep it to yourself, come and mental share with us.

Scarlett That is good news, brookety brook brooking all the way for you.

Keep well timed rat smacking you say?? not long till you confirm then smile

Sweetie possibly little sweet setling in? I didn't realise I was this far along either, I was expecting them to tell me 5 weeks, and there not be anything to see, but there it was, little yolk sac, little heart beat and a 7 week measurement, at least I didn't do a smegs!!! smile

Hope your having a better day Geek

Has anyone seen Maybe

cartoonface Mon 17-Sep-12 13:06:59

keep im here. been try not to come on here too much cos it would just be moan moan moan from me! ive not bloody decided. i went to try my wedding dress on saturday. my actual one all ready and paid for execpt alterations. also i went to boots to get my steriods, progesterone, asprin etc etc etc. made it all feel so much more real and so much harder to know wot to do. im thinking maybe start in jan so i wont (hopefully)have any bump issues with the dress. but seems a heck of a long way away plus some of the ladies on here currently on these meds think that ill be feeling so rough preggo or not from the steriods that it may be best not to do both. am considering making some enquirys about moving the wedding forward to december and the ttc after that. so i can concentrate on one thing at a time.

BeedleTheBard Mon 17-Sep-12 13:08:33

scarlett excellent news that you can start the stimming, I hope you start to feeel better

sweetie I don't think you have been silly at all grin

solars don't be sad, come and talk to us

imps sorry that the relaxing hasn't worked (well to be honest I'd be a bit gutted if I actually had to try that grin ), but it sounds like you have a plan

things are still a bit strained between me and DP, I think we're both a bit depressed/stressed about everything. I'm hoping things will get better whilst we're on holiday.

cartoonface Mon 17-Sep-12 13:09:50

sorry just totally ignored everyone else.
boo thats wonderful
sweetie a new puppy! congrats on the new edition to the family. hope your feeling better.
scarlett so happy its all going to plan.
hope everyone else is ok

Geeklette Mon 17-Sep-12 13:32:32

Sorry if this ends up being longer/shorter than usual - trying to squeeze a post in between people landing on my desk asking stoopid questions!

imps I had to laugh when I read about Moyles playing a song too early screwing up your morning - that is so me!! What a shame you have managed to find a remedy for your imps fingers, they used to make me howl with laughter and earn me some very weird looks from my work colleagues I love how relaxed you are about TTC, but then you are still so young envy It will no doubt happen at the right time for you and MrImps, so enjoy your alternative plans while you can grin

boo I think you're just plain mean not to do my ironing for me! It's actually MrGeek's ironing, I don't own any workwear that needs to be ironed. He used to do all the cooking, and I did the cleaning, washing and ironing which seemed a fair division of labour. Lately though I seem to have taken over all the cooking too! Time to put MrGeek to work tonight methinks grin Super congrats on your scan though - 7 weeks! Doesn't time fly!!! So fab that you have seen a heartbeat - is it starting to feel real now?

solars you poor love, please don't do any more silent weeping says the queen of sobbing quietly in the toilet I am sure it is just the drugs and hopefully in a week you'll be able to get onto the good stuff and feel miles better. I hope today is kind to you and you are able to get a proper night's sleep tonight. We are all here for you, always.

keep nice crisp mornings here too - I don't think it'll be long before we have our first frost, either. Hope your weather stays decent and you don't end up flooded out, that sounds like it could be quite nasty. IVF probably won't happen next cycle, as I'm waiting for my consultant to write to my GP to ask my GP to write to my consultant with a referring letter for the operation my consultant would like to carry out before I can start IVF. I'm on CD 14, from memory, and hoping to ovulate in the next 1-2 weeks so I don't think it will all go through in time for me to start at my next cycle. I'm on the verge of losing the plot with where I am in the scheme of things too grin

scarlett so pleased that the down reg has worked for you! Yay for moving on to the stims, it sounds like they will treat you far better than your down reg drugs. The power of brooking strikes again!

sweetie OMG you bought a puppy!? Your BFP is now in the bag (which we knew anyway from your textbook 4 cell embryo transfer). I've heard cockerpoos don't moult, so that is definitely a plus! You are going to have your work cut out for you though, at least the last week of your 2ww will fly by as you will be so distracted. Photos on FB as soon as poss pleased smile smile smile

sparks when will you hear about the results of your interview?

I can also add to the debunking of the 'just relax' myth. I spent 10 years relaxing and it got me diddly squat but I have to wonder now just how much of that was me being so incredibly naive about my cycle, not to mention popping ibuprofen at all the wrong times. I'm sure we probably managed to somehow miss all of the right times, because this last year I have learned how awful I feel around ov time with cramps and fatigue and stuff. Going into cycle 120 (approx) now and I feel so much more informed.

Feeling a bit fed up at the moment, having got to the point of feeling excited that IVF was imminent and now feeling that it has been pushed back still further by needing this extra op, but not knowing when it will be. It's quite funny though - I'd originally predicted it would fall at the end of September, coinciding with me needing to support the go-live of a new piece of software. When I found out it would be the end of October instead, I told my boss only to find out the go-live had been rescheduled for the end of October too! Now I find my IVF is likely to be November or later, and once again the go-live is likely to be pushed back to around then. Someone's trying to tell me something!!

Right, enough rambling, back to work for me - brooking for you all, especially those taking a bit of time out at the moment.

I have added a few pictures of the new arrival on fb, I did it from my phone so they are all separate rather than in a file. Not sure what I have done wrong.

I will add one to my profile pictures too

cartoonface Mon 17-Sep-12 16:12:12

ops swithed to caps sorry, didnt mean to shout! haha

Solars Mon 17-Sep-12 16:49:21

<Shhhhhhh keep it down Face some of us are snoozing at our desks>

Thank you all, I feel a lot better now after listening to my cd again and getting my work done too, although I am very tired still so I'm sure it'll be an early night for me! It was all very strange as I had such a lovely weekend with my DBro & DSis and nieces and nephews down on saturday and sunday was a really nice day as we went out for a lovely long drive & lunch, but then to feel so low later on. Pretty sure it's got something to do with the drugs and partly the anxiety associated with the waiting!

Scarlett I am so pleased you had a great scan today, not long at all to go now dear!

Boo how lovely for your surprise scan too!

Sweetie the little puppy is just doubly confirming your bfp now! Will check out the pics soon! Remember no symptoms = preggo!

Beedle this can all be really tough on both of you but be good to each other and I think you're right the holiday will definitely help, rekindle the romance and just enjoy yourselves.

Geek if you can just take one step at a time, I agree it's horrid waiting for things to happen, but it will happen, I mean just look at Sweetie already in her 2ww! That'll be you before you know it!

Right I'm off to figure out what to make for supper!

keepitgoing Tue 18-Sep-12 04:22:44

scarlett so pleased for you and hope that you start to feel better quick smart.

sweetie that dog is so adorable! I think it was very sensible to get a puppy, actually. I hope you're feeling ok, and you must be almost a week in.

geek that is just a ridiculous chain of events that has to happen. Oh well, it doesn't sound like next month's going to be a go-er, so might as well not worry and go for the one after. Hopefully you won't have a crazy long cycle again though.

keepitgoing Tue 18-Sep-12 04:31:26

face that's a difficult one. I think that I would just get on with ttc, to be honest. Going on past events you are likely to be upduffed soonish, and would be past the danger zone before the wedding. But then i guess dress would need to be altered, but that's not the end of the world, is it? If you were early-days pregnant at the wedding might you be really too nervous to enjoy the wedding and honeymoon, or as you say feeling rough? in which case better to either go early or wait until after the wedding. moving the wedding forward could be good - i love a december wedding! sorry, I think that was no help at all. Either way, hopefully now you've got your cocktail of drugs it will be a trouble-free pregnancy.

solars glad your cd is helpful. how annoying you have to do another week just to fit into their timetable - argh! still, another day ticked off now. you'll be there before we know it.

beedle - good for you booking a child-free holiday. Sorry you've been a bit down, but now you're on the path to answers, hopefully. And an ironic bfp in the meantime.

No news here, just smacking that rat left right and centre. Do we assume ovulation is on day 2 of the peak, cbfm-users? I just assume it's somewhere around now, and then go back to eod for a while after it's back on low.

Morning ladies
Sorry for not posting yesterday, we've decided (well actually ive decided) to stop TTC for a while, or atleast put it on the back burner! Ive got to find a new job sad. So going to be concentrate on that for the foreseeable future!!

Lurking to commence shortly!!

Brooking for all other rat smackers

BeedleTheBard Tue 18-Sep-12 08:55:04

Sorry to hear that sparkle , but I can understand that some time-out can be a good idea. Obviously I'm hoping that you'll be popping in occassionally, and then coming back to tell us about your ironic BFP grin Take care and good luck with the job hunting.

keepitgoing Tue 18-Sep-12 09:12:57

ah sparks do you mean that you're going to start using contraception, or just try not to worry about it. Are you going to stop tracking cycles and things? Sorry that you're not enjoying your job. But you may have a new one by the end of the week, brooking for that!!

Aw Sparks sorry to hear that, I will really miss you cheery posts keeping everyone spirits up. We can still keep you updates on fb too. Hope you are ok lovely {{{hugs}}}

cartoonface Tue 18-Sep-12 14:03:01

keep ive emailed the venue to see what dates they have so fingers crossed. i had always pictured a winter wedding but thought getting married this yr might have been too much of a rush but now wish id just gone for it. trying my lovely dress on made me think how lovely it looked just as it was and couldnt even imagine it bump friendly its all corseted so i guess they have to take some out for bump room? i dont know. from wot ive gathered the steriods make u moody, fat, bloated and give u a dodgy tummy, thats just the one set of meds! i may be lucky and not feel bad on them. trouble is the way my mind works i imagine every possiblity and end up convinced the worst will happen.
if we cant move the wedding we will start ttc around jan. and i will just have to put up with any illness and put worries out of my head for the day. we've never decided when to go on honeymoon and thought probably just a small break in this country, hopefully ill get my luxury mexican hol in a few yrs or so currently a baby is more important. my head is just swimming! hows things with you?
sparks we all love a good chat so no need to stay away even if not ttc. i feel a bit of a fraud being here me and dp are using condoms after all!

CheerfulYank Tue 18-Sep-12 14:52:38

Oh, Sweetie soooo cute.

Hope you're feeling ok, Sparks.

Solars Tue 18-Sep-12 16:57:56

Oh no Sparkes brooking for a job to turn up pronto and please do stick around even if not actively ttcing!

Scarlett how are you getting on with the stims? Hope you're feeling much better too.

Sweetie hope all is well with you too and you've got plenty of distractions, when have they told you to test?

Face you never know you may not get any of the side effects.

Keep sorry I'm not a cbfm user. It is annoying to have to wait another week just to fit in the clinics timeable but I'm just trying to take each day as it comes, 7 sleeps to go!

Geek & Maybe hope you both are well

Yank where are you in your cycle now?

CheerfulYank Tue 18-Sep-12 18:51:59

I am...4 weeks along! Got a bfp over the weekend. grin

This thread is magic.

Princesslovelyboo Tue 18-Sep-12 19:03:40

Yank that is fabulous news, many many congratulations. thanks smilesmilesmile

CheerfulYank Tue 18-Sep-12 19:08:35

Thank you so much. I'm so excited! We haven't told many people yet as we aren't telling DS for awhile. smile

Princesslovelyboo Tue 18-Sep-12 21:19:18

We haven't told teen boo yet, he will find out after 12 weeks. Toddly boo is too young so he will just be told as and when he needs to know.

So pleased for you, there is a graduates thread when you are ready, can't link cos I'm on my phone.

keepitgoing Wed 19-Sep-12 03:57:45

yank that's brilliant news, congratulations!! you managed to keep that quiet for two days...?
how long were you trying for? How old is your son?

sweetie how's your pup getting on. hope he's keeping you distracted.

6 more sleeps now, solars smile

face how weird to be using condoms. I don't think i'll ever use contraception again... Fingers crossed that the venue have space, you sounds pretty organised you could deffo do it in december!

CheerfulYank Wed 19-Sep-12 05:01:14

Keepit last month was our first month trying! shock

DS is five. smile I've been trying to convince DH to have another since DS was about nine months old! But now that we're in our 30's we've just decided to go hell for leather for the next five years or so and see how many we end up with. Dubious plan, I know!

keepitgoing Wed 19-Sep-12 05:40:20

ooh you could end up with a football team if you keep it up at that rate!!

Congratulations yank and first month of trying envy so pleased for you well done thanks

keep pup is doing well and very much keeping me distracted, in a good way

solars our clinic advise to test 18 days after egg collection so that is a week on Friday hmmhmm I am not sure I will be able to hold out that long am thinking next Wednesday might be d day

keepitgoing Wed 19-Sep-12 07:34:57

sweetie i thought you could test a bit earlier because the embryo is a couple of days old when it's put back, iyswim... 18 days is looong. wed would be good - only a week!! how's toilet training going, or is he too young for that yet? I am sooo jealous, i want to get a puppy when we get back next year, and DH has said yes, once our kitty has settled back in with us (though she won't be a fan). I just adore dogs.

keep she is doing really well with house training only a few accidents usually when DH is watching her she sleeps in a crate at night and when I need to leave her so that has cut down on accidents too. It has been nice here last few days too so she has been in our garden all the time.

Princesslovelyboo Wed 19-Sep-12 08:04:03

Sweetie she is adorable, and just what you need to take your mind off the 2ww.

cartoonface Wed 19-Sep-12 09:27:11

sweetie wots the dogs name. i would love a dog! maybe one day
congrats yank that was quick!

face she is called Roxy. Both me & DH have always had dogs so it was just a given that we would get another. I know timing might be a bit off but at least I am off work for next few weeks to get it used to our ways.

keepitgoing Wed 19-Sep-12 09:40:58

No, I think the timing is perfect. Both for keeping you busy, and also as you say you are off work. When our dog died we got one very quickly as well. It's not to replace the other dog, but there is such a massive gap in your life otherwise isn't there.
I think perfect time to get a dog is mat leave <dreams wistfully of mat leave next summer> but my mum and sister think i'm crazy...

cartoonface Wed 19-Sep-12 10:27:07

i think its wonderful you got another dog and better to be at home while you all get used to each other and can train her. my best friends name is roxy! good name.

ScarlettInSpace Wed 19-Sep-12 11:45:59

congrats yank, hopefully you've brought some brooking luck to this fred smile Graduate Fred

sweetie love the pup, she's adorable, and a great way to take your mind off everything

solars how are you getting on love? I had tears at bedtime on Monday too, it's deffo the drugs x

sparks keep lurking wink and feel free to nip in anytime, sometimes even a week or two off can help x

keep who has your dog while you're away?

geek I think someone is trying to tell you you can get pissed at crimbo grin

waves at everyone else [sorry for no name check blush ]

AFM I started stim last night, I think I feel a bit better this morning but the last 2-3 days have been sooooooooo bad that it doesn't take much to feel better iykwim. In fact I think i will celebrate not feeling sick by going to Greggs for lunch grin. Acu this aft which i am looking forward to too.

Am mentalling lots about the stimming, I KNOW the consultant who told me not to expect to get any E's to C was talking out of his butt hole but he still said it and I can't help thinking about it. BROOK BROOK BROOK grin

Scans booked for next Tuesday & friday to see if I respond...

<goes to greggs>

Scarlett sooooo glad you are starting to feel a bit better, celebration with greggs defo a good idea. I totally understand your concerns, I was convinced there would be nothing on my first scan but there was. I will brooking my socks off for lots of follie action ready for your scan on Tuesday. Enjoy you acu later too.

ScarlettInSpace Wed 19-Sep-12 15:48:05

sweetie I definitely am feeling better as the day goes on. Although I've still done ef all work today grin - how are you feeling about everything, any interesting symptoms to report [and remember no symptoms is a symptom]

cartoonface Wed 19-Sep-12 15:58:29

im getting married 22nd december!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Solars Wed 19-Sep-12 16:13:40

Oh wow congratulations Yank we'll all be joining you on the grads thread very soon!

Scarlett I'm so very pleased to hear you are starting to feel much better. Try not to stress about twunty consultant too much, perhaps just think about how you're going to tell him in a few weeks that he doesn't know what he is talking about! Go Follies, Go

Sweetie I think getting the pup was a great idea, what a lovely way to keep you occupied in the 2ww! I think our landlord may have something to say if we got a pup, although i know DH would love one By the way 18 days!!! I think our clinic said 16 days after EC! I'm looking forward to your confirmation!

DH is off out watching the football this evening, in corporate seats no less and I am treating myself to making spaghetti vongole tonight, but does anyone know what I can use as an alternative to white wine in the recipe? I wouldn't mind using white wine as I know most of the alcohol would be cooked away but I don't see the point of opening a whole bottle if neither of us is going to drink it??

Solars Wed 19-Sep-12 16:15:04

Oh x-posts Face congrats!! You managed to bring it forward, well done!!

ScarlettInSpace Wed 19-Sep-12 16:20:50

Oh and 18 days wtaf? EC is the same day as Ov surely, which weirdo waits til 18dpo lol??

solars Morrisons sell cooking wine which is fab as it keeps for 6 weeks after opening, I cam't find it at Sainsbo's though and we've just switched to shopping there... [It's usually with the vinegars etc] As an alternative I've been buying the mini 1-glass bottles, you can chuck the rest in a casserole in a couple of days if you like? I might be able to give up drinking wine but I can't not cook with it!!

face yay good news, proper crimbo wedding plus you won't lose the whole wedding party to the outside area like you do when the weather is warmer

Solars Wed 19-Sep-12 16:33:02

Thanks Scarlett I may just pop into Morrisons after dropping DH at the station today or get the smaller bottles! I know what you mean about not cooking with wine though!!

Woo hoo face what a great time of year to get married, are you having a church do? It would be lovely to sing carols at the service, I always wanted a Christmas wedding. Congrats for getting the date set.

Solars can you get a mini bottle of white wine or M&S do those single glasses with foil on the top, if you only need a bit. <tries to remember the last glass of crisp white wine drunk - fails sad--

You guys have made me think if I should be testing sooner. I hadn't really thought too much about it, but maybe it should be Monday based on that was when my egg collection took place. I was working on 14 days from when it went back in being next Wednesday. I will see how I am feeling early next week. Of course the progesterone suppositories give you all the symptoms, really sore boobs, bloated tummy, slightly sick feeling, tiredness but i am trying not to read too much into them. So glad I have up to take my mind off it all.

ScarlettInSpace Wed 19-Sep-12 16:49:17

OMG I could murder a glass of wine now I'm starting to feel normal again...

have some becks blue in the fridge, may sink a couple of those this eve you have to drink them fast though, if they aren't ice cold they taste a bit poo

Hmm I was just thinking tho sweets maybe they say 18 days in case the tail end of the HCG jab gives a false positive? Not that yours will be though, it is clearly going to be a completely true & honest positive of course grin

cartoonface Wed 19-Sep-12 16:56:13

no sweetie not a church but i love that idea would be lovely. im so exited! it was really easy to rearrange as well phoned everyone i needed to and sorted it in an hour.

keepitgoing Thu 20-Sep-12 07:19:20

face great news on the rescheduled wedding - only three months, how exciting. That's perfect, now you can have a few months of wedding planning and non-ttcing, and then enjoy drinking at the wedding etc and then into ttc. Hope you'll stick around here for the next few months even if you're not trying.

sweetie we are such bad influences... But less than a week now till wednesday which would surely be ok.

scarlett we don't have a dog yet, i though i suppose i refer to my parents' dog as mine, since he was there while i was still at uni etc. We do have a cat, who is spoilt rotten and i adore, and i was very upset leaving her with my brother. But he is now loving her and she seems very happy, so that's good.

beedle hope you are ok. has dh done his next sample yet? it was quite a palaver getting him to do it last time, wasn't it... Good luck for all the tests coming up.

maybe thinking of you; hope work is not getting you too down. When are you due to finish your phd? (think i've got that right)

scarlett i am brooking so hard for you for next week. Grow, eggies, grow! I think i missed the bit about your twunty consultant - surely if he thought you wouldn't produce any eggs he wouldn't advise this course of action. And i thought you just had one tube, which doesn't affect egg-growing or collection

solars four more sleeps now till stimming - nearly there!

geek what a pathway you have to go through. Make sure you keep on top of it so as referrals don't get lost or delayed etc. Who cares if you nag them.

<leaving tom yum soup and fresh pineapple for lunch>

Princesslovelyboo Thu 20-Sep-12 09:18:50

Hi everyone, Face wonderful news about the wedding, a Christmas wedding will be VERY romantic smile

Scarlett We will restart the dancing for your eggies! egg grow dance starts now!!!!!!

Solars keep going, stimming soon, your doing great smilesmile

Geek and Maybe brookng hard for you ladies, hope your ok thanks

Sorry if I have missed you for a name check, feeling really ropey today sad it is toddly boo's birthday, so going for a little lie down before he gets back from playgroup.

<takes tom yum soup to bed>

keepitgoing Thu 20-Sep-12 09:29:25

is noone here? i'm bored at work. Just spent a while trying to figure out my next two cycles, but have given up. Though mine are not too irregular i wish i was one of those 'to the minute' girls. would stop a lot of mentalling, as much as anything else.

no news chez-keep. Am up to three days po, but will now go back to eod. This is the part of the cycle that dh doesn't realise i make sure we have regular rat smacking, he's just happy to dtd.

keepitgoing Thu 20-Sep-12 09:30:43

oops, missed you boo - sorry you're feeling rough, am sure a toddler's bday party will be just the ticket... but am sure it's a good sign

Princesslovelyboo Thu 20-Sep-12 09:33:17

Oh yes Keep don't get me wrong, I feel rough, but it is the right sort of rough and it is reassuring to have iynwim smile

Geeklette Thu 20-Sep-12 12:40:58

<runs by with axe in hand, screaming something about hanging managers up by their entrails>

Princesslovelyboo Thu 20-Sep-12 13:59:16

sadsad oh dear Geek, not good then?

<sharpen's axe and loads potato gun, passes them to geek>

Happy birthday to toddlyboo - boo hope you are feeling a bit better and can enjoy the party

Geek whats going on? Try not to do your manager an injury, difficult i know.

Solars Thu 20-Sep-12 14:19:42

<steps out of the way of the axe yielding Geek>

Oh Keep you got me all excited there, but it's actually 5 more sleeps to go, but that's at least one less than yesterday!

Thanks Boo I'm doing my best to hang on! Hope toddlyboo and you enjoy his birthday!

Scarlett, Sweetie how are you both doing?

My sleep has not been good this week at all, acu lady says its to do with the drugs and has given me some food tips that may help, I think I'm starting to feel the floppiness you mentioned Scarlett other than that I'm fine.

Waves to everyone else, Imps, Maybe, Sparkes hope you all are well!

Solars so glad you have great acu lady to give you the top tips. My sleep was all over the place when on the meds but I wasn't sure if it was cos I was off work. I was always too hot in bed which made me really restless.

I have been mentalling quite a bit today, I have had a bit of an upset tummy after not been able to go at all for last few days, sorry TMI, also really sore boobs, low down crampy pains and a funny taste in my mouth all day. Plus I was so shattered I had to go to bed for an hour this afternoon and then struggled to get up again blush. Not sure if the witch is lurking or what, only time will tell.

On a more positive note, pup can go outside for her first walkies tomorrow so that will do us both good getting out and about in the fresh air.

Princesslovelyboo Thu 20-Sep-12 17:52:39

Sweetie might I suggest or what...... I have been feeling exactly the same. smilesmilesmile

Solars Thu 20-Sep-12 20:33:29

Oh Sweetie some really great symptom spotting there!! Go emby go!

Princesslovelyboo Thu 20-Sep-12 21:03:59

Well one family birthday dinner done, just got told dreaded toddler party on Saturday, really glad it's at a play centre, the most I have to do is drink tea. smilesmile

keepitgoing Fri 21-Sep-12 03:19:42

oh sweetie that is all sounding so promising. Not long now. I am brooking for you so hard!! go emby GO Are you taking drugs still? Hope your dh is ok as well, and looking after you.
Has pup had her vaccinations now then? can we see more photos of her? she is so gorgeous.

sorry solars i thought it was on monday... Oh well, now it's 4 sleeps! Hope you've got some nice plans for the weekend to keep time moving.

geek boo to your awful boss. i thought he was leaving? and boo to him keeping you so busy you can't come and talk to us!

boo how long before teenboo guesses something's up - did he ever know you're ttc? i guess teenagers are quite self absorbed. How will he take it? (i think teenboo is a boy...)

Geeklette Fri 21-Sep-12 07:11:05

Sorry ladies, I didn't mean to just randomly post and run yesterday! Work has just got so stupid lately. Unfortunately, the manager who left was the only sane, rational, technically skilled manager in the entire department. New manager is a complete seagull - any hint of stress and he can't help but flap and squawk and spread it around like crap. He can't understand why I and my colleague aren't flapping too. Unfortunately he has been confirmed as my new permanent boss <sob> so this is now my life sad

sparks please please please don't stop posting, your posts always made me smile. I'm sorry you are having to put TTC on the back burner, but I am glad your professor has finally manned up to getting another job (or was he forced into doing so by a little thing called handing in your notice?!). Really brooking that your recent interview went well, but if not then it is only because fate doesn't want you being prevented from going for your dream job, which surely can't be far away.

sweetie that all sounds ever so promising! I know the progesterone will cause a fair few side effects, but the taste in the mouth thing is surely a pg sign! You are so strong to be holding out until Wednesday before testing.

solars not long to go for you now, either! And scarlett, you surely can't be far away?

boo chuffed to hear your still feeling slightly rough (but not too much so), hope toddlyboo's b'day went well.

Hopefully just a week away from ov here. Been feeling awfully emotional, not helped by being on my own at work a couple of days this week due to one colleague having to take time off to look after his kids while his wife goes on a training course, and the other having a few days off because his wife has just given birth. I can just about cope with that, but I really don't need to be forced to coo coo over the photos too sad

<waves to keep, maybe, and everyone else, grabs boo's potato gun and goes off to hunt me a seagull>

Princesslovelyboo Fri 21-Sep-12 07:15:17

Morning ladies, Keep teen boo is indeed a boy but he is also deaf/blind. He hasn't noticed anything and being a teen has a lot to do with it, but it is also just the way he is. If something in his world is changing he needs to be told and have it all explained he wouldn't notice on his own, which makes keeping secrets loads easier from him.

keepitgoing Fri 21-Sep-12 07:36:18

oh gosh boo that must be difficult for you. Good news for keeping the secret, and lets you tell him at your own pace. I'm sure he'll love a new sibling!

geek poor you with work stress. What a dick-wad manager. Surely he can't last with all that flapping, and then you can step in and smooth it all over. I don't know what you do other than that it's IT-y, but is it the sort of thing where you can just get on and do your own thing and let him be twatty?

sparks let us know if you got the job. i didn't realise you've handed in your notice. The biggest fattest ironicest positive will be yours any day!

nearly the end of the week, girlies. Hang in there. (I'll beat you there, mwah ha ha)

ScarlettInSpace Fri 21-Sep-12 07:49:06

geek we've threatened before to get my manager a business card with thd job title Chief Flapper grin

Post and run I'm afraid as have a trip to Manchester today an I have to go get my sodding wheels balanced first because the ATS man couldn't fit them on the balancer on his van after he changed the tyres yesterday angry

sweetie am sure you don't need me to tell you the Law of Symptoms my dear, brooking you continue to trail blaze through this process and show us all how it's done x


Princesslovelyboo Fri 21-Sep-12 08:29:20

Geek you were here and I missed you, good morning my lovely, may I wish you all the best on your sea gull hunt!!! We need you back here, does the twunt boss not realise brooking has to be your priority?? grin

Keep not difficult now, we're used to it, we knew he was deaf when he was 2, but only found out he was going blind in 2010, he has good daytime sight at the moment but no nighttime sight at all, his daytime sight will start to deteriorate as he gets older sad

Brooking you get the job of your dreams Sparks

Morning everyone else <leaves tea toast and various cereal>

keepitgoing Fri 21-Sep-12 08:39:42

well i am brooking that his sight won't deteriorate, and that they find a magic cure before then anyway. you know the power of brooking! We are out here on medical research but god, there's just so much that needs to be researched...

geek doesn't your boss know that brooking is a full time job?

Morning ladies, sorry for the radio silence over the last week, well since what Monday? but thought I'd swooooosh by to give you a quick update. I didn't get the job, well Im assuming I didnt, I was meant to hear from them on Wednesday and have not heard from them. hey ho thats just the the way the cookie crumbles!!

I've not handed in my notice, rather I've been given my notice, long story but my job is directly linked with one particular person who is leaving, so my job will cease to exist when he goes sad the whole thing has been rather worrying/stressful and no one can quite tell me whats going on and what will happen to me, so I've spent the last few days trying to piece everything together!!

We're now focusing on getting me a new job rather than getting me diffed!! We'll not be going back to contraceptives, I dont really see the point anyways, but we've dropped everything. No more CBFM, OPKs, temping etc etc. and in fact so far its been rather nice, because I'm already a week in to my cycle and I've barely had time to think about it.

Sorry for not name checking but hope everyone is well and not mentalling too much about whatever stage you're at!!

keep up the brooking ladies

Solars Fri 21-Sep-12 13:27:20

Yes indeed Keep 4 sleeps to go now! We have a cousins 21st birthday party to go to on Saturday, plus I offered to help with food so I am busy with that today! May have DSis and kids over after the party so that will definitely keep me distracted on Sunday, plus Monday I already know will be busy with work so hopefully time will soon pass!

Sparkes I am brooking that you get a new job very soon, so you can resume menkuling over ttc instead!

Have a nice trip to Manchester Scarlett

Sweetie how are you getting on with the new sets of meds now during this phase? Anymore symptoms to report?

Geek hopefully all this stress at work is just new manager settling in, hoping this will pass and things will calm down especially as he sees that you are remaining calm throughout all of this!

I had a better, but still disturbed sleep last night, will carry on with the tips from acu lady!

Hope everyone has a lovely weekend, any nice plans?

Solars glad you are keeping busy, so what delights are you making?

Sparks so sorry to hear about your job situation, but brooking that you get another very soon. It sounds like taking your foot off the ttc gas might be just what you need at the moment.

geek I work in IT too and some of the male managers have absolutely zero social skills. I am liking the seagull comparison, we defo have a few of those where I work too.

boo hope you have an excellent party tomorrow for toddlyboo, I hadn't realised teenboo had eyesight problems too, poor lad.

Well I defo think the witch is circling as just had pink cm sad

Implantation Sweetie

Princesslovelyboo Fri 21-Sep-12 17:59:05

No Sweetie I will not have it!! <resumes go emby go dance, gets potato gun back to warn off the witch>

I'm spotting too so AF is obviously changing her mind and coming to me instead

Solars Fri 21-Sep-12 21:26:36

I'm hoping with all my brooking spirits its implantation too or something to do with the whole process, plus with all the progesterone you're taking wouldn't it be impossible for AF to start anyway until you actually stop the meds?? Or am I just being naive about it?? Hope you can hang on in there, think positive thoughts Sweetie

Solars I am not really sure what to expect. They did say if you have a bleed to continue with the progesterone. So I don't think it is impossible. If it was a normal month AF would be due Monday but of course things are all over the place. But I haven't had any more spotting, despite frequent knicker checking!!!

Well pup gets her first proper walk today so a very exciting day and the weather looks perfect for dog walking.

Hope everyone has a lovely day planned, boo try not to over do it this afternoon

Brooking like mad for you, Sweetie!

And everyone else of course!

Solars Sun 23-Sep-12 07:47:42

Waves to Gen

Sweetie hope you are doing ok and you got to take pup out for a nice walk and glad to hear no further spotting. Brooking little embie is making itself at home.

I feel quite run down today, possibly over did it with going to the party yesterday wish we didn't stay as long as we did even though we got back just after 10pm as the meds have been making me feel excessively tired anyway. Awoke this morning with a funny feeling in my throat and a bit of a headache, so I really hope I'm not coming down with anything. Luckily DSis and kids aren't staying over so a nice calming day for me will hopefully pick me up.

Hope everyone is ok, it's ever so quiet around these parts now.

ScarlettInSpace Sun 23-Sep-12 08:55:36

Morning solars sorry to hear you're feeling poorly love, not long now til your scan though x

sweetie hope everything has settled down for you too, and not long to test now am excited and anxious for you! Bet youre having fun with puppy dog, mine is all that's keeping me smiling at the moment.

Sorry for no more name checks my finger is aching lol as on iPod!

I'm pretty much fuming with OH, I was really upset yesterday about this whole thing, he eventually decided he was still going to go our friends BBQ which was fine but he then decided to go on a bender in town, he rang me for no reason other than apparently to wake me up at 4am and rolled in at quarter to 5, I'm soooo annoyed. He stank of beer and fags and spent ten minutes hurling in the bathroom which was lovely hmm. I got up at half 6 because I had no space in the bed, I feel like he's got no consideration for what I am putting myself through so we can BOTH have a child, I don't really trust myself to speak to him when he finally gets his stinking arse out of bed angry

Ha my Finger aches more now lol! Rant over, happy Sunday everyone cx

Princesslovelyboo Sun 23-Sep-12 09:15:41

Oh scarlet how awful, my DH decided to go to a friends party last night too, he didn't want to go and said he would have to as I wasn't, so under duress off he went, 4 o clock this morning he rolled into bed, his beer breath and bum smells filled the bedroom making me feel sick, and my weekend lie in cancelled sad

Any way, Sweetie brooking so hard that everything is going well still, and pup is providing a lovely cute distraction.

Leaves toast and eggs for everyone (except mine and Scarlet's DH's cos they don't deserve it!)

Solars Sun 23-Sep-12 09:22:32

Oh Scarlett & Boo I would be fuming too, especially in both your conditions! Scarlett I hope you can go out and do something nice for yourself, let OH stew for a while, no doubt he'll be nursing a hangover anyway!!

Princesslovelyboo Sun 23-Sep-12 09:39:18

grin it's ok, just woke DH up to tell him I'm off spinning and he has the kids, they are fighting as usual and DH is nursing a really really bad hangover grin <-- this is an evil grin

Scarlet hope your DH wakes up suitably sorry too smile

ScarlettInSpace Sun 23-Sep-12 09:42:40

He will be sorry and it's always do difficult to be bad at him when he's hungover as he is so cute and sorry for himself, but he's not off the hook on this one, he has behaved like a selfish twat. Wish I had fighting kids to punish him with!

ScarlettInSpace Sun 23-Sep-12 09:42:58

*mad not bad lol

Princesslovelyboo Sun 23-Sep-12 11:14:53

You will do soon Scarlett smile I have just got back to find non of them are dressed yet and DH is wearing sunglasses in the house grin

keepitgoing Sun 23-Sep-12 11:24:55

Oh god Scarlett that's awful of him. Make him see why. His role is coming up, and after what you're putting yourself through he's an idiot if he's not doing everything he can.

And boo hahaha to sunglasses in the house.

sweetie so glad no more spotting. In fact the timing of that could be <whispers> the fabled imp bleeding... I am so excited and nervous for you too. Have you decided when to test?

solars you're on the home straight now! Stims coming up! Well done you for keeping sane these last two weeks!

About 5dpo here, but 10 days to AF due to long lp.... boring. Is anyone else in 2ww other than sweets?

Waves to everyone else. I'm still here but just in a diff time zone.

Solars Sun 23-Sep-12 16:10:57

Scarlett & Boo hope both your OH's have been suitably apologetic to you, if not then bang a few pots and pans around if they're still nursing sore heads! grin

Have to admit Keep I have been feeling quite mehhh today, I've been downregging for 3 weeks now! Not quite feeling myself is the only way to describe it. Kinda wished I didn't go to the party yesterday as although it was nice to see everyone I wasn't quite myself but felt I had to go to try and keep some normality in life at the moment, as my DH keeps saying lets not let the drugs beat us! I think it's this past week that's really affected me the most since I got AF, before that I felt fine. Keep I think we're a bit thin on the ground these days so may just be you and Sweetie in the 2ww! Are you settling in well in Bangkok? Missing the uk yet?

Leaves behind a fresh batch of blueberry crumble...

Princesslovelyboo Sun 23-Sep-12 17:03:03

Mmm crumble, thanks!

It has actually helped me today, Mr boo having a hangover, he has been moaning about feeling sick, dizzy, hungry but can't face food and he is really really tired. I told him to add some nipple clamps and welcome to my life, he was quite shock at how unwell I felt smile one small victory in the boo house smilesmile

keepitgoing Mon 24-Sep-12 03:16:24

solars you're right, we are a bit thin on the ground, with people on drugs left right and centre, others like cartoon waiting, and others like sparks taking a step back. Well, sweetie and i will try and keep the side up.

So sorry to hear you're feeling like that, solars. That's a long time to have some hard-core drugs floating round you. I think mrsolars has the right idea, but i guess it's easy to say that from the outside. Have you told many people about the IVF? Did the friends at the party just think you were a bit moody...? But you're so nearly there, and this is going to be the only time you have to do this, as you will get so many embryos that you can have a second third fourth bubba without all this. BROOK BROOK.

We are settling in well to bangkok life. It's quite an easy life really, as we are comparatively very well paid, and eat out all the time, have a cleaner etc, so life is much easier than in the UK. expats who live here with kids dread moving home, because here they have live-in help, so no worries about school runs etc etc... At the same time I do miss my family as we are very close. But we can talk a lot. i am dreading when DH goes away (in about a month, for a month), but my mum is coming over for a couple of weeks, so i'll only be alone for 3 weeks or so. I also miss autumn, i love that time of year with crisp cool mornings, but still can be warm when the sun's out. We are peak rainy season here, so hot and humid and thunderstorms every day.

beedle we've not heard from you in a while. What's new?

geek would you just stop working and come talk to us?!

boo grin at mrboo finally knowing how you feel. but not so sure about pregnancy being like a 9 month hangover. gulp. maybe he'll be more considerate to you now! smile

scarlett hope you're ok too, and not too nervous about tomorrow. Big day for the brookers, and we're all brooking for you.

i had stomach cramps this morning so didn't do my work out in the unlikely hope that it might be implantation (6 or 7 dpo). But i think it was just a slightly dodgy tummy from too much chilli. I am sick of thinking that what i do must be the cause of no-baby. Surely either exercise or no exercise wouldn't make a difference as people get pg both ways, but i just start to fret that if only i was doing x,y,z right then i'd get pregnant.

ah well, Happy Monday, all!

keepitgoing Mon 24-Sep-12 05:57:59

oh and sweetie, if you are testing today or soon then i am brooking for you like there's no tomorrow. [flowers]

Mornin all. Just though I would pop in and say good luck Sweetie, I am brooking so hard for you. And that goes for all other IVFers as well.

And all other brookers. I am still here, I am just lurking to see how you are all getting on.

And Keep lovely, it is nothing you are doing or not doing. I went through the exact same phase, but now I just carry on as normal. Hope your tummy feels better.

Love to all x

Princesslovelyboo Mon 24-Sep-12 07:48:50

Morning, wow Keep Bangkok life does sound good! And not a 9 month hangover, just this first icky 12 weeks or so smile

Sweetie hope you had a relaxing weekend, brooking for you.

Scarlett brooking has commenced MNr your scan! And Solar what and when is the next stage for you?

Cheery wave to Geek Maybe Face Cru Beedle and Bartlet and all the other brooker's

keepitgoing Mon 24-Sep-12 07:53:09

solars has her scan tomorrow as well, hoping to start stimming then, so she needs brooking as well!

ah, boo, glad it's not nine months. you must only have another month or so to feeling better then?

maybe, thanks. I do know that really. Glad you're ok, and hope that you have your appointment soon. Keep in touch.

scarlett brooking my socks off for your scan tomorrow - grow follies grow. Has DP recovered from yesterday? They are pains aren't they especially with all you are going through, hope you are ok my dear

keep glad you are settling in to the new way of life, apart from dodgy tum, and nice that your mum is coming over when DH is away. That will be exciting to show her all around your new haunts.

boo well done explaining to mrboo about the complexities of preggo symptoms, hope he is being nice to you now

solars so sorry you are feeling a bit down on those pesky drugs, it is not long now until the stims start and then it is all stations go go go! You have been so strong try to keep that PMA going, it is so important

well AF has found me, I was spotting on and off all weekend with period pain type cramps. Full flow arrived late last night so I think that is our journey over. I am going to see how things go over then next few day and might still test before our official hospital test on Friday just so I am prepared.

I knew it was a long shot when we only got our single egg that it would be enough to see us through to our little baby. Those little 4 cell embryos do look excellent but you don't know if they grow it for another few days that it would be easier to see issue that would make it non viable.

So next steps, I think i am going to have a AMH test to see if it worth going through it again, especially as we would have to pay ourselves. I am going to look into clinics which deal with poor responders as we have had a very bog standard ivf cycle with very little monitoring. But I am a bit concerned that if we go to another clinic offering them our money they are hardly going to say no. So we have a lot to discuss, DH is keen that we give it another go but I am not sure if it will be futile waste of money when we should just accept the way things are.

Sorry for the me me me post but just wanted to get it all out there.

Solars Mon 24-Sep-12 08:28:48

Just a quick one from me right now as I just read Sweetie's update and didn't want to read and run, I'm so sorry to hear AF caught up with you, gosh this is so tough a journey. Lots and lots of hugs to you.

Will be back later

Princesslovelyboo Mon 24-Sep-12 08:32:59

Oh Sweetie so sorry, thanks

keepitgoing Mon 24-Sep-12 08:36:04

oh sweetie i am so so sorry. That is such sad news. I hope you take a bit of time to think about what you want to do and talk to the NHS consultants about what they think the reason was. It is a big decision. God, this is all so unfair isn't it?

Oh Sweetie I'm so so sorry. It really isn't fair. I hope you get some good advice on friday from your consultant.

Thanks Keep appointment is thursday. Very unsure of it all, but ho hum.

keepitgoing Mon 24-Sep-12 08:44:54

ooh you kept that quiet maybe. gosh, there's so much brooking needed at the moment. Hope they can give you some answers and a plan. x

Thanks so much Keep hopefully we will be given some idea of what's going on. Think MrMaybe and I are feeling a bit weird about the appointment. On the one hand its great we have the ball rolling, but we can see it being forever till we have tests and answers. The two year mark is rapidly approaching as well.

GreenOlives Mon 24-Sep-12 08:54:33

Sweetie So sorry to hear that sad You're right to thoroughly research things before taking your next step - im still brooking like mad that you'll get your baby one day. ((hugs))

keepitgoing Mon 24-Sep-12 09:16:58

well, make sure that you read up on the local PCT or CCG website about what you are entitled to. They have a reason so you should be able to go straight to IVF i'd have thought, if you want to. I would think you should ask about possible reasons for the no sperm too, since it seems that he did used to have some. Could there be a block or infection or something?
I've read that sometimes there aren't that many tests for IVF - for example they may not be very interested in your tubes (not needed for IVF) so wouldn't bother with an HSG, or i guess maybe even ovulation, as it's all controlled.

I almost started crying in my consultant appointment, and did cry on the nurse in fact. It's quite stressful. Good luck!!

Oh Sweetie, so sorry to hear that. I have been brooking for you along with everyone else and will continue to do so until you get your baby. Hope you are taking it easy.

Geeklette Mon 24-Sep-12 09:40:34

Oh Sweetie I'm so really sorry to hear that AF has landed. Take loads of time out, make sure MrSweetie is taking good care of you and remember we're here for you when you're ready.

I'll try to post properly at lunch time. I don't know what's happened to my life lately, I don't seem to get two minutes to myself - I'm only just able to keep up with reading the fred, let alone posting.

Brooking for you all though <waves and leaves cucumber sandwiches for all>

Thanks lovelies for your support. It is nice to know you are all there. Just taking things slowly, MrS is working away so it is just me & pup sad.

Maybe hope you get some answers at your consultation, nerve wracking but you are taking positive steps in the right direction. Hope MrM is ok too {{{hugs for both of you}}}

BeedleTheBard Mon 24-Sep-12 10:09:15

sweetie so sorry to hear your news, and sorry you're home alone, I hope the puppy is keeping your spirits up a little.

I've been very busy, we're not actually on holiday laying on a sunny beach yet but will be soon so I might not be around as much as usual, but I'll be brooking from afar.

Sorry for lack on namechecking but I hope the appointment goes well maybe

Love and hugs to you all grin

Thanks so much Sweetie

Keep this is our first appointment with the urologist to begin Find Sperm Quest. If they can find someone, we will be going straight to IVF. I am just worried it will take forever to get tests for MrMaybe. Though it may not. The only good thing is that we are off to Michael McIntyre afterwards. It was my first anniversary present to MrMaybe (paper tickets). Scary to think we have nearly been married for two now!!

Princesslovelyboo Mon 24-Sep-12 10:15:20

Ooh Maybe I had visions of a Dr in shining armour with a sword and shield setting forth to resolve the mystery of the missing sperm smile hope you have a good time at MM we've got tickets for the 11th Oct, can't wait!!

Beedle hope you have a brilliant holiday.

Ha Boo I am liking this vision. I may have to mention it to the consultant wink

sweetie so sorry AF found you sad be kind to yourself and dont make any decisions just yet.

<waves to all others brookers>

Geeklette Mon 24-Sep-12 13:29:59

Ok, going to try and do a full, normal, geek-style post but may end up interrupted again - anyway, here goes!

maybe brooking like mad that your Dr in shining armour succeeds on his Find Sperm Quest. Poor MrMaybe has been so brave through all of this. It is hard on our fellas.

solars you poor love, three weeks <hugs> Nearly there now though. Brooking for your scan - is this the one to show that everything has shut down, so that you are ready to start on the stims? Good luck x

scarlett So pleased you are feeling better, it sounds like you went through the whole gamut of down reg side effects so you deserve a nice easy ride from here on in. Bad MrScarlett though! I hope he now understands what he did wrong.

keep Bangkok sounds fantastic - I love thunderstorms and torrential rain (though prefer to not have to go out in it) but I would find it very hard to give up my Autumn mornings.It's a lovely idea to have your mum over while DP is away.

sparks hope you are still lurking - thinking of you loads. Any news on the Uni being honest about your position? Will you get prior consideration for any similar posts that may come up?

boo Hope you are feeling rough enough to make you feel reassured without it being too bad for you x Bad MrBoo, too, but at least he now has a better understanding of how you feel (hopefully)!

beedle you're starting to make me jealous with your talk of sunny holidays! How long now until you go?

All is just rumbling along here. I've not heard anything about my appointment, I'm going to give it until the beginning of next week then ring the Priory and find out where we are at with it just to make sure my dr did actually bother his arse to write a referral and that I've not accidentally been referred for a leg amputation or anything I'm nowhere near the 2ww. This should have been a normal length month, but things are indicating that it could well be a long one again. Currently CD22ish, temps are too low to indicate imminent ov. CBFM is really teeing me off these days. I'm back to reading the sticks manually because it insists on jumping straight to high from the first day that it asks for a stick. It really can't get the hang of my levels at all.

I can't remember who asked what it was I do blush I support HR/Payroll systems for my company and do minor developments and projects related to this software (among other random stuff that gets thrown my way). I'm pretty independent in what I actually do, but there are a lot of conflicting priorities at the moment. My seagull manager is not new to my company, in fact has been here three years or so, so there is no hope of his management style improving. His previous members of staff have confirmed that is just 'him'. They are grateful that he now has fresh victims my team under him, as it gives them space to get their work done.

Well, that was a good run free from interruptions, so I'll post it while the going's good! Even if I'm not posting regularly I am reading the fred every day and brooking for each and every one of you!

Solars Mon 24-Sep-12 15:52:07

Sweetie I hope the pup is keeping you distracted I'm still holding out for a brooking miracle a la Smegs style until you test I think I have to thank DH for the pma he really has been a star! Get lots of advice and information from your current clinic before moving onto another one if you do. I'm sorry you feel it was just a box standard ivf. Lots of hugs for you and glad to hear you're taking things slowly.

Geek how long has it been since you were told you were going to be referred? I'd be tempted to give them a call this week. Seagull manager sounds like a nightmare, you poor thing. Yes it is my scan tomorrow to see if downregging has been achieved. It feels like its taken forever to come around!

Maybe lots of brooking for you and MrMaybe for Thursday's FSQ. We have tickets to see Michael McIntyre too but in December!

Beedle have fun in the sun!

Oh Boo glad MrBoo can now empathise a little bit more with you!

Scarlett love, hope all is well with you.

Keep your year out in Bangkok sounds so much like our year in oz, we were in the NT and arrived in the wet season, with lots of showers and thunderstorms, we used to sit out on our balcony and just watch the skys, it was amazing! In fact DH and I were just reminiscing about our year there yesterday! I used to miss family like crazy and it was great when they came out to visit too! It'll be great when your mum comes out. I have only told parents, siblings and a couple of close cousins and friends about ivf so far. I haven't deliberately not told people but equally it's not something you kind of blurt out in a conversation and if someone asked me then I would probably tell them. I think I was suitably sociable enough for anyone to notice anything odd about me, but in my head I just wanted to be nice and relaxed at home! Hope your tummy feels better soon.

Right I've got a little bit more work to do and then I can menkul over my scan tomorrow start making supper!

Leaves a plateful of assorted nuts and dried fruits!

BartletForTeamGB Mon 24-Sep-12 16:44:19

Just popping my head in to give a hug to Sweetie. So sorry things haven't worked this time.

keepitgoing Tue 25-Sep-12 03:25:59

scarlett and solars i am starting the early brooking dance for you both. GOOD LUCK for today

sweetie, thinking of you

lovely to see bartlett, gen olives and other old smacketers.

geek, i'd call them this week too. It's been ages hasn't it, and you don't want to miss the start of another long cycle...

Just popping in to wish Solars and Scarlett good luck with their scans today. Brooking hard for both of you and your OHs

Princesslovelyboo Tue 25-Sep-12 07:14:03

Brooking so hard for the scans today Solars and Scarlett good luck!

Good luck today solars and scarlet

Geeklette Tue 25-Sep-12 07:48:26

Good luck scarlett and solars for your scans today!

cartoonface Tue 25-Sep-12 12:46:54

had a mad week arranging wedding things but its all going well so far.
been thinking of u all. brooking for anyone is appointments/scans coming up or even jsut trying to warn off af.
really sorry to see things were not successful for u sweetie, take care x

Solars Tue 25-Sep-12 17:21:10

Hi, just thought I'd update you all, but firstly thank you all for the good lucks.

I have been scanned today and my endometrium lining is 1.6mm, so nice and thin. They also took bloods to check my estradiol level. They will ring me tomorrow afternoon with the results and then give me the go ahead to start on the stims tomorrow evening.

Unfortunately the cyst on my left ovary is still there however they did manage to see 2 follicles on it, as well as the 8 on my right ovary. All in all it was fairly positive. They did have me in tears during the process though when they started to discuss removal of the cyst prior to the stims which would have meant postponing the cycle by quite a few months, however one of the senior consultants got involved and he felt confident all would be ok without removing it. So it's now let's see what happens when the stims start!!

I actually awoke feeling quite awful today as I'm coming down with a cold now, which isn't ideal. So lots of rest for me I think.

Hope everyone else is well. Sorry for the lack of name checks but I'm feeling quite run down sad

Scarlett brooking you had a really good scan today x

Oh Solars you poor thing. Here, have some tea, cake and a blanket. That's great news about the scan though, looks like you are well on track. Sending you lots of love x

Princesslovelyboo Tue 25-Sep-12 18:34:58

Solars sounds like your scan went really well, loads of good follies, brooking for the blood test results so you can start the stims tomorrow. I would have got upset at the mention of a delay too, but your consultant sounds wonderful. Treat yourself to lots of rest, it sounds like your doing really well.

Brooking you also had good results Scarlett

Solars you look after yourself, keep warm and plenty of fluids. Really hope they give you the go ahead to start stims tomorrow evening. Are you on menopur?

pocopearl Tue 25-Sep-12 20:25:11

Im on CD 40 / 33 but still getting a BFN and no AF am panicing

ScarlettInSpace Tue 25-Sep-12 20:32:13

Hi all, very quick post as not really in good frame of mind, scan today did not go well, haven't responded at all to the stims as there's only 1 follicle so this cycle will probably be abandoned on Friday when I go back for another pointless scan. Will update a bit more later but for now its shower, pizza, bed. Can't even drink wine as my Acu has advised we should continue the drugs and go for 'assisted natural' [basically stay with stims to make the single follie grow to maximum, go ahead with trigger shot and bonk like bunnies all next week as there will more likely than not be an egg floating around.] The only good thing about abandoning is my free go isn't used up so that's still in the bank...

sorry mememe, sorry to hear your news sweetie and solars fx you lead the brooking IVF trail now I'm out too, thanks for all the brooking ladies xx

Princesslovelyboo Tue 25-Sep-12 20:39:54

Oh Scarlett I am so sorry, I will keep brooking for the little folly and shag week. Be kind to yourself.

Hello Pearl are your cycles usually regular? Try not to panic.

pocopearl Tue 25-Sep-12 20:44:41

they are. Am really worried could be an ectopic again

Princesslovelyboo Tue 25-Sep-12 20:50:22

Oh love, it could be a random cycle, I once had a mammoth 9 week one, I have no experience in ectopic pregnancies but others here might. Have you any other symptoms?

Oh Scarlett you poor thing. Why is this also bloody hard? I am so brooking that this follicle is going to produce the golden egg. Hope you get a restful nights sleep x

Solars Tue 25-Sep-12 22:30:42

Scarlett you poor love, I am brooking too for a quality egg! It is all such a roller coaster isn't it, hang on tight though and you'll get there. Lots of hugs x

Sweetie yes fingers crossed I get to start on the menopur tomorrow. They went through how to do it all today, but I already feel like I've forgotten what to do!

Boo, Maybe hope you both are well!

Hi Pearl I don't have any experience of ectopics but if you are having lots of pain and other symptoms then perhaps you need to be seen by someone.

keepitgoing Wed 26-Sep-12 03:24:03

scarlett so sorry that you haven't responded to the stims - do they know why that might be? We will brook for your folly, and the assisted natural sounds like it wouldn't be a wasted cycle. I'm brooking for a good result from the scan on Friday, whatever that good result might look like.

solars you poor thing, I'm so glad you didn't have to abandon - maybe the tears worked! That seems a good number of follies (though I know nothing, and thought the follies only started growing after the stims...) Brooking for your blood test results, and I'm sure you and mrsolars will manage to figure out the drug-giving. I'm sure there's a youtube video, or if not then don't feel bad to ask the nurses again today.

pearl no experience of ectopics, but if you're having pain i believe that can be a sign. Doctors (either GP or A&E) would not look badly on you for turning up to get checked out. Do you have any pain? If so I think you should go to the doctors, if not then you most likely just ovulated later, or it could be an anovulatory cycle. Better to be safe than sorry though.

Almost fainted this morning and got really hot and sweaty and clammy when i got up. It is super hot here though. 8ish dpo. I feel the same as normal, so am already starting to think ahead to the next cycle, though AF not due until next Thursdayish.

Aw Scarlett I am so sorry that you haven't had such a good response to the stims, have they advised you to up the dose? Just keep going and see what happens Friday, I will be brooking that those follies do their job.

Solars if you need any info on preparing the meds just ask, how many vials are you doing? Just give yourself plenty of time to mix the meds, I used to prepare it all then do the jabs. It took about half an hour the first time but i did get a bit quicker towards the end.

keep are you ok? Do you think it is just the heat or anything else?

face sounds like the wedding plans coming along really well

Geek any news on your appointment?

Well I POAS this morning just to be sure, of course it was BFN. I am surprisingly ok with it. I am going to book for my AMH doing, but I will ask our clinic what they would suggest as next steps, what we/they could do differently, if anything. We may go to a different clinic for a second opinion. But I would really like some time off from ttc, just to get our lives back a bit and enjoy the things we used to. DH thinks we should take advantage of our healthier lifestyle, not boozing, taking all the vits etc rather than letting that go to waste by going back to our old ways. Just taking it a step at a time.

Right am off to take pup for a walk before it starts raining again!!!

keepitgoing Wed 26-Sep-12 08:23:20

well, sweetie much as i would love it to be early symptoms, it's most likely just from the humidity/food. sigh.
Re AMH, I lurk sometimes on the TTC10+ thread, and have seen that a couple of ladies have been told of really low (or is it high that's bad?) AMH there, and i think it's not universally seen as a helpful test. Just to warn you, in case it's a poor result. Some of them wish they'd not had it done. Might be worth starting a thread along those lines?

Could you try and not make any decisions for a couple of weeks and just keep healthy lifestyle if you can, or to some degree. Waiting until you've spoken to the doctors and got more info, and had time to process before deciding either way might be the best way. Big hugs, and enjoy your pup x

keep I think that is good advice, I will create a thread on AMH and see what others say. Look at I think it was Smegs who had low results and then got her BFP. So is it just another number we are compared against that really doesn't mean much???

Glad you are ok, I suppose you are just getting used to the massive difference in everything.

Scarlett sorry you are feeling down, but good that you are seeing some positives and hopefully one follie = one golden egg = one baby. Brooking.

Solars, glad to hear your scan went well and brooking for the stims!

Still brooking for everyone else of course. Was it Maybe's appointment today?

Oh Sweetie I am so sorry about the BFN. I hope you get lots of answers tomorrow.

How are you feeling Solars? Did the phone call come yet?

Gen lovely, how are you? Its our appointment tomorrow, thank you for checking. Am feeling sick with nerves. Think it is more as I don't know what to expect from the appointment.

Hope you are feeling better Keep

Geeklette Wed 26-Sep-12 13:23:26

scarlett you poor, poor thing - and after all you went through with the down regs, too. It is excellent news that this won't count as your free go though. Brooking that this gives you a super strong chance for a natural cycle, and you won't need to go through this all again.

sweetie I'm sorry about the BFN, but I'm glad you're feeling a bit better. I hope your appointment gives you some answers. I can't really advise about the AMH, I was very glad to have mine done but as much as anything I think that's because it gave me an answer. If you think there is a chance it will make you feel worse, as in another number to compare yourself against, then it may not be worth it. I think it's more important if you are in the unexplained category and desperate for an answer.

Keep I think you said you're about 8dpo now? Well done, and brooking that AF stays away.

maybe, good luck for your appointment tomorrow, please try not to worry too much about it says the pot to the kettle . Breathe in, breathe out... breathe in, <oh cripes what comes next? panic! oh yes...> breathe out <-- this was me before my first appointment!

Arrghh I can't remember what anyone else has posted sad It's only been a week and a bit since I saw the lovely consultant, so I'm going to hold out until next week as I know it can take time for letters to pass back and forth and I'd rather be sure of being told something concrete than being told I need to wait a bit longer.

Deffo squiffy cycle again this month, that's two on the trot. Poor MrGeek is on the EOD/Every Other Two Days routine this month, and I have warned him there may be up to another 4 weeks to go before he can ease off. I'm determined to keep his swimmers refreshed though. We ran out of steam last cycle and I really kicked myself afterwards. The sister at the Priory told us not to let his swimmers get more than three days old, so we do what we must!

CruCru Wed 26-Sep-12 14:26:09

Sorry, am on holiday, just popped in. So sorry to hear your news Sweetie and Scarlett. Be kind to yourselves and take things easily. Also - Sweetie, are you in London? I went to CRGH who were great. If you're looking at another clinic it might be worth seeing them.

Solars Wed 26-Sep-12 15:30:37

Keep there is a website of the pharmaceutical company which has a video on it so hopefully I should be ok, otherwise I may be referring to *Sweetie* the clinic. If it is very hot & humid there then I can understand you fainting, when we were in Darwin I fainted at my first yoga class, you would have thought they would hold a class in a nice air conditioned building, but no it was just a hall with a couple of ceiling fans and the doors wide open to circulate the hot air! But do take care of yourself in the heat!

Sweetie sorry about bfn. I can totally understand the wanting to step away from ttc for a while after this experience, for one fleeting moment when they were talking about postponing my cycle I felt a sudden relief of not having to continue and if this cycle doesn't work for us then I think we will be having a break too. But as you said one step at a time and getting feedback from your clinic and having a realistic discussion with them will all help you both make the decisions of where you go from here. In terms of AMH I personally don't think I would go for it as correct me if I'm wrong but it can't tell you the quality of your eggs can it? But if it is going to help you make a decision of taking a certain route then perhaps do it, but get lots of advice, the thread sounds like a good starting place. Also I'm on 300 units of menopur.

Waves to Gen hope all is well with you?

Maybe try not to stress too much just yet, brooking all will go well tomorrow. I have indeed just had a call from the clinic and I have down regulated and wil be able to start on the stims tonight! My next appointment is on 5th October! Lots of brooking please.

Geek poor you and MrGeek with your long cycles, yes if your appointment was only last week then waiting to chase up next week is fine.

Still brooking for you Scarlet

Oh Solars that's great news. I am brroking like billy-o for you x

Princesslovelyboo Wed 26-Sep-12 18:05:05

Brooking for your appointment tomorrow Maybe I hope you and Mr m start to get the answers you need. <packs armour shining kit for Maybe's Dr and the sperm quest>

Hiya everyone else.

<gives Boo a squeeze and hands her a tub of brasso>

Geek lovely, I'm so sorry, I managed to miss your message!! Thank you so much. I will remember to breathe. After all, can't have me passing out and making a fool of myself can we wink

Princesslovelyboo Wed 26-Sep-12 22:16:04

Buff and polish, buff and polish, pack the provisions, tack the horses, the quest begins at sun up!!!!! (Or what ever time Maybe has her appointment)

Geek sending virtual energy drinks for you and Mr g grin wink

Cheery wave to all brooker's

I am officially an mwepp smile had my booking in today.

keepitgoing Thu 27-Sep-12 03:07:10

morning all, as usual i am here to lead the brooking charge, and today maybe's top of the list. Brooking that your knight-in-shing-armour consultant will find sperm and prove all other tests wrong. Or that he'll whizz you into top-class icsi before christmas. Either way, baby by next summer please, Mr consultant.

solars that's brilliant news, and i hope that the first injection went ok. So it's about a week until your scan? Talking about yoga, here there's a trend for 'hot yoga'. I kid you not. They close all windows and crank up the heat until it's nigh on 40 degrees, then you sweat your way through an hour. at the end when they open the windows and let in the muggy stinky bangkok air it apparently feels like blessed relief... No, i've not tried that yet!! Poss once we're a little more acclimatised...

boo - so pleased for you!! Well done. What do they actually do at those appointments? <dreams of her own, it'll be in thai and incomprehensible, BROOK>

geek, get you, every couple of days. Are you the same lady that hadn't dtd in years just a few months back. What an amazing change for you guys - hope you're enjoying it!

Has anyone got any good book recommendations by the way? I can get anything on my kindle, so that's amazing (remember the days when you went abroad and english books were like gold dust, and took up half your luggage?) but looking for inspiration if anyone's read anything good recently.

ScarlettInSpace Thu 27-Sep-12 07:01:55

Brooking for maybe's scan today, fx you get some answers x

BeedleTheBard Thu 27-Sep-12 07:09:36

scarlett I'm so sorry that the stims haven't done their job, but it sounds like you have a plan so hopefully it will work next time

maybe good luck for today

keep tell us what sort of books you like, or go into the adult fiction area (it doesn't mean porn grin ) I've read a few good books that have been recommended there

Well we are on holiday now and I won't make you all jealous by telling you how lovely and hot and sunny it is here and I'll post now before the slightly dodgy internet connection gets the better of me <waves to all>

Morning all. You lot are great.

Thank you Keep yes, a nice little september baby will do me nicely. You'd better brush up on your thai, as your booking in will definitely be there. Yes, what sort of books do you like? I'm always reading.

Beedle thanks lovely. Where are you hollibobbing? I'm most jealous.

Scarlett thanks so much lovely. Hope you're doing ok.

Hope the first stim went well Solars

Right, must get up to take the pup out. But its cold. I shall brew tea for all

keepitgoing Thu 27-Sep-12 07:33:15

most things, maybe, not really sci-fi or mystery ones though. All recommendations welcome. What time's the appointment?

<pokes head in at the mention of tea>

Just wanted to wish you good luck today Maybe

<Brooks really hard>

Also wanted to say I'm brooking hard for you all. Sorry to see of your bfn Sweetie sad. Hope you are being well looked after xx

Scarlet sorry the stuns didn't work - am keeping my fingers crossed that they've made that one egg a super golden egg in any case.

Solars hope the stimming is going ok for you xx

<makes self comfortable awaiting tea>

Stuns? Stims I mean confused

Geeklette Thu 27-Sep-12 07:50:38

Morning all!

Brooking for maybe's appointment today, fx your knight in shining lab coat can give you some proper answers. A September baby would be nice, because that's when I've decided I'm having mine grin

solars ooh you're onto the stims already! That last week has just flown by (though possibly not for you confused ) Brooking that they do their job and you see lots of follies at your scan. <starts the follies-grow dance>

beedle yes, definitely jealous of your holiday. Hot and sunny it ain't, here!

Looking forward to my week off at the end of October, we have decided to keep our original holiday dates as it is likely to be at least a couple of cycles before we are cleared for IVF. I imagine they will insist on some recovery time following my op (whenever that may be) so I'm brooking for an early op date, and a December/January cycle. Ironically, it looks very likely that the go-live date for my new software will be moved back again, with January being the most likely date. Work are going to be convinced I'm making things up, moving my dates to coincide with go-live each time!!!

Right, time to get ready for work <leaves coffee and cereal for everyone>

Thanks Biscuits how you getting on lovely?

Geek hopefully we can be cycle buddies smile

Keep afterwards by Rosamund Lupton is fantastic. I love a mystery though, But I won't recommend any of those. Did you watch Luther in the UK? The first Luther novel is amazing. I also love love CJ Sansom. His Shardlake series is one of my faves. But I love historic novels. Also loved the Pillars of the Earth. Any good?! Appointment is at 12.50

keepitgoing Thu 27-Sep-12 09:11:43

Thanks maybe i'll give them a go!

Just back from walking pup, cup of tea in hand and a couple of jammie dodgers

maybe good luck at your appointment, I will be thinking of you. Hope you get all the answers you need.

boo congrats on now being a mwepp - that is the way to go.

keep my mil recommended The Execution by Sharon cramer, she loved it but I have not got around to it yet myself still about 50 downloads to work my way through

Thanks Sweetie. How is that gorgeous pup doing?

You're welcome * Keep*!

Maybe pup is doing really well. We start puppy classes on Saturday so that should be fun. Walks are a funny as we get stopped every 5 steps by people wanting to pat her, am a bit shock by the number of people who just pick her up

Princesslovelyboo Thu 27-Sep-12 15:06:54

Seated, waiting for the messenger to bring news from the quest. Hope it went well for you Maybe.

Geeklette Thu 27-Sep-12 15:14:45

<rushes in to join boo in the waiting area>

Is it me or does it smell a bit funny in here?

Princesslovelyboo Thu 27-Sep-12 15:19:47

<quick sniff under arms, nope not me, eyes Sweetie's pup suspiciously>

Very quick post lovely brookers as we are in the VIP lounge at the O2 <smug>

Appointment was great, MrMaybe has been born with a missing bit of tubage. Consultant said 'I'm 100% confident at retrieving sperm' and who am I to argue. Had to have genetic tests for CF and have follow up in 4 weeks, then its IVF here we come!!

Princesslovelyboo Thu 27-Sep-12 18:47:24

Maybe that is fabulous news, so so happy for you!! We bloody knew he had swimmers! So does your doc actually have shining armour? smile

What are you doing at the o2?

Aw maybe I have been thinking of you all afternoon. I am so pleased you had such a good appointment. It must be a real relief that spermies can be obtained grin such good news for both you & MrM.

So come on spill, what you doing at O2?

Thanks lovelies!! We are here for Michael McIntyre! We are very relieved, its such a weight lifted. Obviously the genetic tests may have a bearing on things, but as long as I'm not a carrier, all will be well!!

Princesslovelyboo Thu 27-Sep-12 18:59:18

Ooh, another one off to mm, didn't one of us go last week? I'm going on the 11th, can't wait!!!!

Aw Maybe that is fab news - we knew he was going to be your hero! Enjoy MM!

Geeklette Thu 27-Sep-12 19:32:02

Ooh maybe that is fantastic news!!! MrMaybe must be so chuffed. Enjoy MM grin

GreenOlives Thu 27-Sep-12 20:05:36

Great news Maybe! grin I saw MM last week and loved it - gave myself bellyache from laughing so much!

Solars Thu 27-Sep-12 20:49:16

Awwww that is really good to hear Maybe smile

I have earache from laughing too funny. You're going to love it those that are going!!

Thank you all for your brooking skills x

keepitgoing Fri 28-Sep-12 03:14:43

maybe that is just awesome news! What a brilliant consultation, and I love it that the consultant could say 100% certain. How did he know about the missing tubage - did he do a scan of some sort? And why are you being tested for CF in particular - is it in the family? So happy for you and mrmaybe, and hope you are feeling good about things. Am sure MM was a great way to spend the evening.

solars how is the stimming going? Hope you are ok on it.

sweetie is it today you've got your appointment? Really hope it's helpful to you. Big hugs.

Not much news on the TTC front here. AF due on Thursday next week, so may start spotting from Monday. But in other things we are going to the Thai open tennis semi-finals tomorrow, which should be awesome! We love tennis. Anyone else got good plans for the weekend?

Just popping in before my appointment to be officially told our treatment and I am not pregnant sad

Scarlett good luck for your scan told, brooking that those follies have sprung into action and your cycle isn't cancelled.

Princesslovelyboo Fri 28-Sep-12 08:26:24

Sweetie I really hope that you can start to get some answers today. Brooking for you.

Good morning everyone, leaves fruit and juice.

Princesslovelyboo Fri 28-Sep-12 08:27:47

Sorry Scarlett forgot to say, also brooking for your scan too.

Solars Fri 28-Sep-12 08:35:55

Well done Boo on being mwepp!

Good luck Sweetie brooking for lots of good feedback for you x

Thinking of you too Scarlett hope you get some good news from your scan today x

Keep and everyone else who has asked, stimming is going well so far. My real big concern at the moment is getting over this hideous cold I've developed. I've been resting lots and over the worst of it now, really not good timing though! The tennis sounds fun Keep, any of the big names playing?

Maybe glad MM was good, we have tickets in December so ages to go for us! How is MrMaybe feeling about everything now?

No plans this weekend for us, just taking things nice and easy!

Morning brookers!

Sorry you are still feeling poorly Solars but I am pleased the stimming is going wells you're going to love MM! MrMaybe is feeling good about things, he was so worried there would be no sperm and that it was his 'fault' in that he had done something wrong.

Good luck with your scan Scarlett I hope those follies have upped their game.

Sweetie I really hope you get some good answers today and a plan of action for the next cycle.

Keep AF is NOT due remember? They are testing for the CF as it can cause this tube to be absent. He could tell just by a physical examination, it was that obvious. MrMaybe will have a scan to double check though and they are running a hormone profile as well. I was so surprised to hear 100% quoted, I didn't think consultants said things like that!!

keepitgoing Fri 28-Sep-12 09:56:17

i see, maybe, it all sounds so positive. Bless mrmaybe, we are always thinking it's something we've done wrong, aren't we... Me too, i always thought they'd keep themselves a few % in reserve. Your baby is on order, mr&mrsMaybe - not long now!

And yes of course, silly me. AF will not be arriving at any point for the next 9 months at least. D'oh, thanks for reminding me smile Having said that, I am planning to start researching local Assisted Conception clinics here over the weekend, just to waste some time wink

scarlett sorry i missed you off my post this morning. I am brooking for you follies! Let us know how it goes.

Princesslovelyboo Fri 28-Sep-12 09:59:30

Ooh Keep just realised I forgot to answer your question about the booking in. It is where the midwife takes your full medical history and DH's to see what sort of care you need, mine is consultant led care and birth in hospital only because of my thyroid issue. They also take blood and check urine to make sure everything is as it should be and do your weight and height. I was also given my maternity notes to keep. It is a long appointment (made longer when you have a student doing it smile) but the next one is scan day smilesmile

Maybe you sound so positive, so pleased for Mr m too.

No big plans for the weekend, it is my last training weekend before the 'big spin' on the 7th (which the midwife also says I am ok to do) that's it really. still looking for sponsors if you look on my Facebook ex's the link smile

ScarlettInSpace Fri 28-Sep-12 12:44:13

Hi everyone, thanks for all tje brooking, another phone post and run to update amd will catch up properly later.

Womb lining is 'beautiful' and thick (like me then) and follicle is 'perfect size' at 18mm. Sadly still just the one and..... Tje bloody thing is on my 'bad' ovary. Not a sausage on my 'good' one. Which means natural won't be likely this month either as there's no tube that side.

I'm a bit sick of the whole thing now.

Oh Scarlett I'm so sorry. Does this mean that the cycle is abandoned? Or will they try the egg collection?

ScarlettInSpace Fri 28-Sep-12 13:06:24

Yep have abandoned...

Oh, I'm so sorry lovely x

Geeklette Fri 28-Sep-12 13:27:54

Oh scarlett I'm so sorry that you have definitely had to abandon. There is hope though, as it's possible for an egg to travel down the opposite fallopian - I remember a friend explaining this to me once as she had lost a tube and the doctor had explained that her fertility was reduced to 66% rather than 50% because of this possibility.

boo I missed congratulating you on becoming a MWEPP!! Congrats my dear smile

sparks are you still lurking my lovely? Hope things are looking up for you and that something comes your way very quickly. Missing your cheery posts on here.

MrGeek is in the slightly bad books today - he is going out drinking with mates after work, when he should be home giving me a right good seeing to. At this stage it is definitely still SFF rather than SWI so he is almost forgiven depending on how many coffees he makes me over the weekend

Solars Fri 28-Sep-12 15:27:32

Oh Scarlett be kind to yourself, lovely x

GreenOlives Fri 28-Sep-12 18:04:19

Scarlett Sorry to hear you had to abandon the cycle, but Geek is right, the other tube can waft over and collect the golden egg so a natural is still a possibility - brooking for that my lovely!

ScarlettInSpace Fri 28-Sep-12 18:45:29

boo thanks to being a mwepp

sweetie we get stopped all the time with pupster too, butter wouldn't melt when he's getting fuss from other people!

maybe great news re the swimmers, it must be such a relief!

geek you've come so far as a brooker, berating MrGeek for missing SFF lol!

solars sorry to hear you are poorly love but hopefully it's taking your mind off everything else

olives nice to see you hope you are keeping well!

Ok ladies here we go then. Nurse rang back and said consultant still believed natural could occur [thank you geek & olives] so he is happy for me to administer ovitrelle this evening to trigger ovulation. He told us to abstain from SWI [which we are doing since yesterday morning as I suspected it would be necessary] until Sunday morning and again ob Monday morning to maximise opportunity. So it's a huge pile of brooking now that the left tube finds its wafty way over to catch the golden egg [ I've considered lying on my right side for 48 hours to help it lol]

Thank you everyone you are all a huge support, sorry if my posting has been meme and patchy lately, haven't been on laptop at home for last 2 weeks as I've been out doing this weird thing called work hmm that my boss seems to think is important freak grin

Princesslovelyboo Fri 28-Sep-12 18:51:58

Come on ladies, gather round, we are doing the wafty tube dance!! We need to dance like we're drunk on a Saturday night, all together now

Brooking (and dancing) so bloody hard for you Scarlett now wait till Sunday and SMACK THAT RAT! You smack it good grin

Geeklette Fri 28-Sep-12 19:05:17

<waft, waft, waft>

Brooking for you scarlett, you are definitely still in the game and that BFP will be yours before you know it.

<waves with wafty fingers to everyone and apologises for being a crap poster but is brooking for you all none the less>

ScarlettInSpace Fri 28-Sep-12 19:38:54

Lovin the wafty dance!

I have poured a glass of red wine because I've decided I deserve it, and it's all in the lap of the gods now anyhoo so I don't think one glass of red wine is going to make a bloody difference. And I needed to open the bottle to make comfort food proper spag bog for tea grin

<rushes in to do wafty tube and golden egg catchy dance>

<falls over due to too much booze>

<stagger out>

Solars Sat 29-Sep-12 10:54:29

Oh that's great news Scarlett brooking for wafty tube x

TheLittleFriend Sat 29-Sep-12 14:54:26

Hi all, just popping by to say hello smile

Sounds like maybe and scarlet have had some good news and hope the rest of you are well too. Really sorry the ivf didn't work this time sweetie. I'm still brooking so hard for all of you xx

I'm 20 weeks on Thursday, scan on Friday so all well here smile

ScarlettInSpace Sat 29-Sep-12 22:31:48

little wow 20 weeks already! <surreptitiously rubs bump on way past>

Well we did ovulation trigger shot last night so OH is looking forward to telling me SWI in the morning is Doctors Orders grin

Is it wrong that having read the trigger shot side effects and seen it says not to POAS for at least 10 days due to high likelihood of false positive I'm soooooooooo tempted cos I've never seen a real life BFP blush

Oh and I was oddly surprised to get quite a lot of EWCM today but I suppose it makes sense??

Scarlett ahem Scarlett sorry to interrupt but just wanted to make sure you are ok for things to keep your strength up today and tomorrow? You go girl and catch that golden egg. I had a ridiculous amount of EWCM after trigger shot too

Good luck my dear I am Brooking so hard for you and still doing the wafty tube to catchy golden egg dance

Solars Sun 30-Sep-12 09:51:58

<Shakes dust off pom poms and dances wafty tube & catchy egg dance quietly >

How are you doing Sweetie? did you get some feedback from the clinic on Friday?

Hope everyone else is well, leaves behind porridge and tea?

Go go golden egg! Am hoping it's in transit as we speak grin

ScarlettInSpace Sun 30-Sep-12 10:28:39

blush OH assured me it would help to do it twice this morning in various positions he seems to be taking this very seriously ha!

He thinks we should try again tonight but I think we should wait til morning so his swimmers have 24 hours break?

He has gone to a chavfest car show today with his mates so I'm having quality time on sofa with pupster catching up with The British, might attack the kitchen with bleach later, how's everyone else's Sunday looking?

<realises am lolling on left side and rolls over to give wafty tube some gravitational help>

solars when is your first stim scan? Brooking for lots of big 'beautiful' follies grin

What did they say at your appt sweetie? I booked my next consultant appt when I left on Friday, 18th December but of course I won't need it by then

ScarlettInSpace Sun 30-Sep-12 10:30:45

maybe I bet you feel like a load has been lifted x

Sounds like you have a lovly dy planned Scarlett. Well done MrScarlett for taking things so seriously wink

I feel like a weight has been lifted, but now I'm worried about the CF results x

ScarlettInSpace Sun 30-Sep-12 12:12:58

I must've missed that love what is CF?

keepitgoing Sun 30-Sep-12 12:47:27

maybe brooking you won't be a carrier, but that's unlikely, surely...?

Scarlett you go girl. Come ON golden egg!!!! Why no appointment till December, do you need a break between cycles?

Good news here, girls. Our health insurance will cover fertility treatment inc ivf if we have a consultant's referral!!! Am in shock. We are thinking to start investigations in December, once dh back from abroad.

solars I'm already brooking for Tuesday. Are you feeling better?

sweetie how went Friday?

Solars Sun 30-Sep-12 12:51:08

You certainly won't need that consultant appointment Scarlett! I'm sure spermy and eggy are on their way to meeting each other as we speak! My first stims scan is on Friday morning, yikes! I woke up this morning feeling myself again after the last couple of weeks of feeling mehh I just have a bit of a cough lingering but feel miles better!

Maybe glad you're feeling better, i too no not what cf is and when do you get you're results? I'm sure all will be fine x

Solars Sun 30-Sep-12 13:03:21

X-posts Keep well done on the insurance, bonus!

Wow Keep that's amazing!! I didn't know any insurance companies covered it, I know ours doesn't.

Glad you are feeling better Solars

CF is cystic fibrosis. There is quite a high chance that DH is a carrier due to his tube. They will only test me if his comes back positive. Apparently 1 in 25 people are a carrier, so. It's actually quite a high chance

keep lucky you that your insurance company covers IVF, mine don't either.

Maybe fx crossed on the CF result too

Solars glad your cold is feeling better too, I have had a stinking cold too DH says now he has it that it is flu - obviously

Scarlett I am glad your day got off to a good start, December seems a long way off for your next consultation

At my appointment I only saw the nurse, who was very nice, but could only do the preggo test to tell me it was negative. She did say I will need a Failed Cycle Review. At the appointments desk I told them I would like this with a consultant or I would pay to see a consultant as we really need proper guidance of next steps rather than waffle we have had to date from registrars. Anyway they rang me with a NHS consultant appointment for 31st oct. I am warming to doing a natural cycle, as I only got my single egg on full stims, if they will let us do this as I am just not sure about egg donor which I think is our only other option. Does anyone know waiting times for donors? Does it vary depending where you go?

Solars Sun 30-Sep-12 22:36:00

That is high isn't it, brooking for the cf result Maybe

I think you did right, insisting on seeing a consultant Sweetie I really don't know about egg donors but I reckon the waiting list will vary depending on where you go, maybe worth checking out the websites of the clinics you might be interested in to see if they have any information or even ringing them? Hope you're doing ok otherwise? Are you back at work soon or do you get to spend more time with that gorgeous pup of yours?

keepitgoing Mon 01-Oct-12 03:07:17

yes, we are lucky. It's not normal health insurance, but all-singing all-dancing ex-pat insurance, provided by DH's company. I'm not going to count my chickens yet, but at least they said all lab tests and consultations would be covered without having to get approval, and then if we are recommended treatment (i'm sure we would be) we have to get their approval.

maybe i am brooking for the test result, but 4% isn't that high, and then even if you have it they can select the embryos. It made me a bit mad yesterday, actually, while researching IVF places here. Lots of them offer gender selection, and apparently lots of Indians come here to choose the sex of their baby. Argh!

sweetie glad you're getting to see the consultant. Do you not get another NHS shot then? I don't know about egg donation, but I think some people on the Assisted Conception thread are using egg donors. I have heard it's a long wait in some places though. sad

solars glad you're feeling better. Not long till Friday. GROW FOLLIES GROW!!!

AF due by Thursday. I have familiar cramps sad SIGH

snowcloud Mon 01-Oct-12 14:47:20

Hi all, I'm in shock and very nervous [shaking] as I just went through my regular testing regime this morning and a tiny little line appeared on HPT - took a couple more brands and darker on those. It is so so early too. I'm so happy but so so so worried after the MC last time. How can I make it stick xxx

Princesslovelyboo Mon 01-Oct-12 14:50:00

OMG Snow congratulations, brooking for a sticky bean. How early have you tested? when was af due?

snowcloud Mon 01-Oct-12 14:54:13

Thanks Princess - I'm only 11 dpo so AF really due today so I think its very early - didn't even think you could find out this early really. I just hope hope hope it sticks x

Princesslovelyboo Mon 01-Oct-12 14:58:17

I can completely understand why you would be so nervous, but how exciting too smile look after yourself, will you be offered any early scans after last time?

snowcloud Mon 01-Oct-12 15:27:20

Do many places let you have early scans?

cartoonface Mon 01-Oct-12 15:59:38

snow congrats. ive always been an early tester usually a day to two before af is due so yes u can find out early. a first response can tell you 6days early! good for impatient people like me.
i understand your nerves to. an epu will see you im sure. my midwife lied when i wanted an early scan and said i didnt know my dates to get me an early scan so im sure u'll be able to get one. although sometimes they do more harm than good x

snowcloud Mon 01-Oct-12 16:10:03

Yeah I understand that but would like it I think x

cartoonface Mon 01-Oct-12 16:19:20

then im sure you'll be able to get one x

keepitgoing Tue 02-Oct-12 03:29:14

Wow, huge congratulations snow. Remind us of your story? How long have you been trying? Good luck on trying to get an early scan, but be aware that they can not always be helpful if you go too early, and don't see a heartbeat, and it's just too early.

BFN for me this morning, done sneakily while DH was still asleep. Of course I'm not surprised, but it all still blows. AF due on Thursday, and no spotting yet. If she's coming, I wish she'd just come, so we can get on with the next cycle. Strangely enough I am feeling quite a sense of relief to think about getting treatment in the next few months. I think the hardest time for me was about 9-12 months, when it was becoming clear that there was an issue, but still any hope of treatment seemed far off.

Scarlett I hope that you have managed to smack that rat good and proper as per doctor's orders. We are all brooking the right tube wafted over to grab it, and it's just nestling in nicely as we speak.

Hope everyone else is ok, it's been a bit quiet in here?? Am brooking for you all

ScarlettInSpace Tue 02-Oct-12 09:20:50

solars is your first stim scan today? good luck my love, fx for you x

keep boooooooo to BFN but glad you feel ok about it iykwim

I have been ta smacking as per doctors orders and threw in a last ditch one this morning may do the same tomorrow, it can't hurt! I went for my booked acu session yesterday to continue with body prep for implantation and will go tomorrow for what would have been post-transfer just incase wafty tube did its job grin

Lots of ifs and buts but am trying to stay positive and lying on right side at all available opportunities

Failing that, am looking forward to a couple of months of not thinking about it all, we have booked a long weekend away later this month so will book a cottage somewhere deserted & take puppydog to the seaside for his first holiday, very very very looking forward to that!

sweetie I cringe inside when people ask me if I've thought about donor eggs so I know what you mean, I think it takes a while to get your head round, if ever. There are some lovely people on the assisted conception thread going through DE IVF at the moment so pop your head in if you are passing, however for me I feel like as long as there's a chance I can do it with my own eggs then I'll keep trying, I don't know why doctors seem to want to push me towards that when I've blatantly got eggs of my own, just because I've a few less than normal.

Morning all.

Solars good luck today lovely x

Scarlett I'm brooking hard that the wafty tube has wafted its magic. Hope the accu is nice and relaxing. The weekend away sounds lovely, just what the doctor ordered.

Snow congratulations!

Sorry about the BFN Keep. I agree, the 12 month mark was tough, you almost set yourself a goal that you will diffed within a year. Glad you are feeling positive though.

All very very stressful here at the moment, I won't bore you with all the details, but am here brooking for you all x

Solars Tue 02-Oct-12 11:18:36

Howdy ladies!

Firstly congratulations Snow brooking for a sticky bean for you!

Scarlett, Maybe my scan unfortunately isn't today but on Friday, I would love to have one today just to know what was going on in there! Sorry, tmi but I've had a bit more of cm since starting the stims, which is good I think and the first few days I honestly felt my ovaries were awakening again, quite a few twinges then but nothing at the moment! My only issue is I feel constantly full as I'm constantly drinking plenty of water plus I feel like I'm permanently living in the toilet now however they are indeed trivial issues and all in all I feel quite ok and I am trying to keep myself busy!

Scarlett how lovely to have a weekend away to look forward to! We also have a week booked off beginning of November but not booked anywhere yet but a lovely country cottage would suit me just fine! I'm brooking like anything for you x

Keep sorry about bfn, long term ttc has got to be one of the hardest things I've had to face, I hope the relief of assisted conception means you get an ironic BFP very soon!

Maybe is it work related, the stress? Hope you're ok otherwise x

Hope everyone out there including all the lurkers are doing ok!

keepitgoing Tue 02-Oct-12 11:20:36

Brooking right back at you, maybe. Sorry to hear things are bad, how long till you get the cf results?

Sorry Solars a few days early! Glad you feel things are happening in there though! How are you feeling now? Is your cold better?

Thanks Keep! When do you think you'll make your move on the investigations?

The stress is very much work related. Basically my stipend payment is now 2 weeks late. All my bills have come out and completely wiped me out (I only get paid every 12 weeks as it is) so I am unable to afford my extortionate train fare. I explained to my boss via email on Monday morning that I would be working from home due to this, and I received a very nasty threatening email back, so I phoned him, he hurled personal abuse at me and hung up. He then said he was stopping my PhD and I was only to go for a masters instead. Lots and lots of tears and stress my end, but I have finally been able to get hold of a graduate tutor and they have advised me to ignore what he has said, finish my 2 experiments then leave and write up at home. Apparently he has no power to stop me doing my PhD at this late stage. He is an utter dick and I cannot explain how shocked and angry and upset I am. I will be reporting him as well. Sorry for that huge rant lovely brookers. It serves me right, on Friday after we had our appointment I said to MrMaybe 'well it can't get much worse now, it needs to get better' wink

Solars Tue 02-Oct-12 15:00:55

Oh Maybe your boss sounds pants! I can't believe that, does he not have people skills?!! I'm glad to hear you will be reporting him, what a dick!! Is there anything that can be done about your payments though? You poor thing, lots of hugs to you. Sounds like you have a plan though! I'm feeling good and cold is much better apart from lingering cough which unfortunately occasionally wakes me and DH up in the middle of the night!

He really is a dick Solars. No, nothing can be done about the payments, have to wait a whole other week for any money sad

Glad the cold is better. Coughs are so annoying aren't they. Sounds like you need a nice holiday

keep so sorry to hear about the BFN, they don't get any easier do they. I too found the 9 month mark quite tough, it is more they things we have put off that we could have done that I found most difficult.

Maybe poor you, as if you don't have enough on at the moment without this. Why do people have to be so horrible, have they never heard of karma? His day will come my dear.

Solars glad your cold is getting better, twinges are good I think. Any bloating in your tummy? I know what you mean about spending all the time in the loo blush

Snow congratulations on your BFP

Scarlett glad your weekend/week of SWI is going well. Brooking so hard that wafty tube has done its thing.

I have made enquiries about egg donor waiting lists and it is only a couple of months at Care in Sheffield which is our next nearest clinic if we don't go back to Leeds. I am just keeping options open and the possibility of donor on the back burner until we have had our consultant review at the end of the month. of course i would like to give it another go with my own eggs if possible but will see what they say.

I also went to see a friend of mine whose DD was through an egg donor, I wanted to know how she feels about things and if she would advise it. She is a really good friend so she was very open and I trust her not to lie. She said initially she was curious about the physical looks of the donor but their DD is the image of her DH so they never even thinks about it. She said as she carried the baby for 9 months she felt totally connected from the start. This has made me feel easier about the situation if it becomes part of our journey too.

Am starting back at work tomorrow, I have wallowed in self pity for too long and need to get using my brain again. there is only so much Jeremy Kyle even I can watch

keepitgoing Wed 03-Oct-12 03:57:58

maybe i am completely outraged on your behalf. Whose fault is the delayed payments, twunty-boss? That sounds like god advice from the tutor. How long will it take you to finish those two experiments, and can you manage to do them at times when you wouldn't even see him? Is he your supervisor, or just a line manager. Can you swap, if he is your supervisor, or do you have another supervisor you can talk to, as far as i know people normally have three? You must definitely report him - yelling abuse at you is completely wrong.

sweetie i think it's sensible to have another go with your own eggs. The chance of bfp with IVF is only 30%ish, so no reason to give up after one attempt. Are you having to self fund the next round? That's lovely to be able to talk to your friend; i'm sure that you would feel totally bonded to the baby after carrying it though. Do you think you took too much time off work this time? Would you do the same again or not? How's pup, will she be ok on her own now?

maybe we are thinking of considering stimulated IUI in December and January, poss Feb, followed by IVF in Feb or March. But if they need to do any follow up in the tww then we couldn't do December, as we're away over xmas. We are hoping to go to a couple of clinics in the next two weeks, as then DH is away until early December. Am trying to time a dirty long weekend in November to coincide with ov, but with my body it's not that easy... Still, as DH says, if we miss it we'll just miss out on a 2% chance (apparently what we have per month now) so it's not the end of the world.

solars not long till the scan! When are you expecting egg collection, over the weekend? Am brooking away!

no AF yet, and no spotting either. She's due tomorrow, and i normally get two days of spotting beforehand, so i expect she's delayed, which will throw off dates for this month. Argh. stupid witch - if you're coming come NOW, i tell you!!

BeedleTheBard Wed 03-Oct-12 06:04:50

Just popping in to say that I'm still brooking from afar, and to send congratulations, commiserations, and kicks to the shins of twunty bosses as appropriate.

keep I think we're cycle buddies as AF is not due in a couple of days, though I don't actually know this as I'm relaxing on holiday and not thinking about ttc hmm

<leaves a vast selection of food from the breakfast buffet>

Princesslovelyboo Wed 03-Oct-12 08:11:01

Morning ladies, sorry been absent, still lurking and brooking for you all.

Maybe what's complete arsebadger boss you have, you must complain about him!

Geek missing you, hope your ok.

Hiya everyone else, sorry no name checks, but brooking hard for you all.

keep fingers firmly crossed and brooking that AF doesn't find you, no spotting is a good sign.
I think we are around a similar percent chance as you if we use my egg, under 5%. But would be back up to the 30% norm with donor eggs. But that is one of my top questions when we see the consultant.
I think I have taken too much time off, I didn't need all the time during stims. I would need the time for scans I suppose and then from egg collection through to transfer and a couple of days after that to rest up. If we do it again I would take less, but I am sure work would want me to take more as holiday and only the collection/transfer days as sick. Which I suppose is fair enough.

It is surprisingly difficult to type with a quite large pup on my knee. We are going to leave pup with my parents when I have to go into the office, I am lucky as I can work from home most of the time. But my parents only live 5 mins away, both are retired and they have their own 18 month old miniature schnauzer. So it is all good.

Beedle so lovely to see you, hope you are having a relaxing holibobs. How are you both doing?

keepitgoing Wed 03-Oct-12 08:18:27

sweetie is that 5% chance per month doing IVF with your own eggs, or naturally? The 2% i quoted was just from some study, not specifically for us. I don't know how they come up with these figures, really. As i said to DH, we've managed to be in the minority when it comes to not getting pg within x,y,z - so why can't we be in the minority when it comes to this.
Am trying not to mental re lack of spotting, as i had a bfn yesterday. but, but, but.
Right, have a meeting, and then a Thai lesson to keep my mind off it all.

beedle hi! hope you're having a wonderful time. Brooking for evil AF to stay away. Surely she can't find both of us at once...

Thanks for your wise words ladies.

Keep he is my PhD supervisor. That is he is meant to guide and support me. My arse. He doesn't pay me, I win a stipend from a trust that pays me. It's a central cock up with the payments. But he has been asked to give me emergency money, but he hasn't. It's too late to change supervisor, I only have until the end of January. I am seriously considering going in at weekends. Though I think he is going away soon, I just don't know when! I feel sick at the thought of seeing him again. Anyhoo.

How exciting re the clinics. I'm so pleased you have a plan formulating, always feel better when you do.

Sweetie I also thinkit would be wise to give your eggs another go. My friend at work who has been through IVF told me to see it as a three cycle thing, and that the chances of a BFP after three cycles are actually quite good. Did your clinic offer counselling?

Beedle hope you are working on a lovely tan whilst sipping on something nice.

Boo. I love the term arse badger. I really do grin. All ready for your spin?

Princesslovelyboo Wed 03-Oct-12 12:31:37

<courtseys> You may have the word Arsebadger as i nicked it off Smegs anyway to use as your very own Maybe especially when referring to the twunty boss smile

I am ready for the spin thank you I have convinced myseff today that I need to load up on calories ready for it grin so I have had a large bag of cheesy puffs and a muffin (as well as my usual breakfast and lunch blush) Just appealing for any last minute supporters on FB and in RL <ahem..........hint hint> smilesmilesmile

Geeklette Wed 03-Oct-12 13:26:25

Hello lovely ladies, I'm sorry for my absence. I have been feeling very sorry for myself and finding all things TTC-related a bit difficult to deal with. I have been lurking from afar, though, and as always brooking for you all.

scarlett I am brooking that your wafty tube has done its job, and that you are now nicely setted in to the 2ww.

solars good luck for your scan on Friday, brooking for masses of follies all filled to bursting with golden eggs for you.

keep your insurance news is the best thing I have heard in a very long while. I had no idea insurance even considered covering things like that, but it sounds like your DP's work have put a very decent package in place. Of course, you will not need to go as far as IVF because now that avenue is available to you, you will have your ironic BFP before you know it. Brooking that AF has still not shown her face, and that all spotting stays away too.

maybe I am so, so sorry that you are dealing with such a dink-boss. He sounds even worse than mine. I really hope you get some funds sorted out soon, and that you are able to avoid him for the duration of your last two experiements.

boo good luck with your sponsored spin, I can't get on to the justgiving site while I am at work and keep forgetting while I am at home but will make a conscious effort this evening. Hope the ms is strong enough to reassure you, but mild enough to be ignoreable grin

snow congratulations!

Well, I am in the 2ww at last!! This cycle will only be 6 weeks long rather than 8 so I am rather pleased - even more so as I think MrGeek and I managed to get in 3.5 SWIs that count this month - Record!!!!! Those of you who have commented on how far we have come since January, when I was worried we would never SWI/SFF ever again in our lives, thank you. I can't believe it myself. I am so glad that I decided to push the issue when I did, otherwise we would still be living miserable lives of abstinence. We are both so much happier in our selves, and as a couple too. It has really bruoght us back together again.

On a minor rant note, I do wish people would not insist on bringing their screaming, red-faced brat 6 month old into the office to 'show around'. We have massive open plan offices which house about four different teams so a lot of people who don't even know the mother get disturbed. And if you do decide to bring said delight into the office, would you kindly not follow me into the nearest cafe when I feck off for a moment of peace and quiet!

<waves to everyone and leaves a selection of Starbucks coffees and danishes for all>

Princesslovelyboo Wed 03-Oct-12 14:59:05

Geek my lovely, so sorry your having a hard time at the mo, any news on an appointment yet? <considers popping to Geeks with a big stick and staple gun to sort it out for her hmm> and HUGE congratulations on some well timed swi, but how exactly do you dtd 3.5 times confused would take the .5 and be happy as Mr boo has slipped back into bad habits sad

Symptoms have settled a bit more this week not been mentalling about that, no siree bob, not me but I still have enough to stop me panicking too much smile

Geeklette Wed 03-Oct-12 15:05:35

Ooh yes - the appointment, I clean forgot! Rang the clinic last Friday afternoon as I was getting really panicky and nervous. Lovely consultant was really sweet, but had forgotten to write to my gp confused He was away but promised to either fax something to my gp asking for a referral over the last weekend, or at the latest his secretary would send something out tomorrow for him. Little bit annoyed (but he is lovely so I will forgive him just this once mind) as that's three weeks wasted. Now need to leave it another two before chasing again. That is part of my reason for feeling so down in the dumps about it all at the mo to be honest. Going from 'full steam ahead in October' to 'Need an operation, see how it goes'.

boo, the 0.5 is because MrG had a really bad back so prepared himself by hand, with the intention of 'paying in his deposit' at the last minute. Unfortunately he missed blush blush blush

Princesslovelyboo Wed 03-Oct-12 15:08:28

blush grin oh poor Mr G.

Oh Geek lovely, I'm so pleased you're still with us. So sorry it's all so tough at the moment. It is so frustrating when it seems all you're doing is waiting for treatment. You are so going to be on your way to a BFP by christmas though.

Boo you deffo need to cargo load grin

Oh, and poor MrG. I laughed so much my tummy hurt wink

Aw geek poor MrG but I am laughing so much my cheeks hurt gringrinblushgringrin

Solars Wed 03-Oct-12 23:12:48

Sweetie gosh you've got such a lot to be thinking about but how lovely that you could have a frank and honest discussion about donor eggs with a friend. Yes the tummy is a little bloated, I just really hope the meds are working, doing their thing and those follies are growing!

Keep I was told by the clinic to expect egg collection anytime after the 8th! Brooking that AF is staying well away, are you planning on testing again? You too Beedle hope AF stays away and you're having a great holiday!

Geek lovely to see you back, this ttc lark can be so trying can't it! Hugs. We had a phone call from one of DH's friend tonight to let us know they are due in Feb, normally I'm fine with announcements but my DH passed me the phone to speak to them and I felt so strange congratulating them an hour after injecting myself with the stimming meds! And guess what they got pregnant the first month of trying sad

Maybe hope you're doing ok, January's not that far off now so hopefully you can side step nasty boss man between now and then!

Gosh didn't realise its got so late, right off to listen to my cd and think positive thoughts I.e. stop the self pitying after that phone call

keepitgoing Thu 04-Oct-12 04:15:30

geek sorry that things are hard, and taking so long for you. It's all so frustrating, isn't it? Especially when you had your expectations up for ICSI so soon, and now it's all been pushed back. Why do some people find it so goddamn easy? But, on the plus side, am so pleased for you and mrgeek getting closer. And i too laughed lots at him missing. i'm always surprised how far it goes blush.

solars wow exciting stuff! Sorry about the preg announcement. Also, did they find the need to tell you they were lucky first month? I think that's quite insensitive. I hate all this masculine bravado some people get when they say 'ha ha i must have super sperm' etc etc. Do they not think that it might be upsetting for other people? you just never know what someone's going through. But you'll be pregnant in under three weeks! BROOK BROOK

Weekend at the beach cancelled due to impending tropical storm sad

Well, as no AF this morning, and after a dream that was set this morning and where I got a BFP, i tested. BFN. And now a little bit of spotting. So i think AF will be here soon enough and my body is just playing silly buggers so we miss ovulation in 2 weeks. Sigh. And grrrr. beedle i will try and keep her occupied for you! I never test. but this month really had me wondering. stupid keep

Roll on IVF consultations at three clinics in the next two weeks to get the ball rolling. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH

Oh Keep sorry about the BFN and spotting. But hurrah to appointments. Busy busy busy. But at least you will have a firm plan afterwards. Boo to the storm. How inconsiderate.

Solars how are you feeling today after the phone call? It's so tough hearing news like that x

Hello to all other brookers that are lurking. We are very thin on the ground at the moment <leaves home made crumpets to lure people in >

Geeklette Thu 04-Oct-12 11:09:24

<slinks in and snaffles a crumpet>

solars so sorry you had to go through that telephone conversation, I really hope you feel better today. Announcements are bad at the best of times but some people are genuinely thoughtless.

keep great news about your appointments - I love a good plan, and it sounds like you are definitely not going to be underinformed.

maybe just curious - what is a cargo load?

My office is having a desk move this weekend, and I'm not going to be able to do much surreptitious mning during the day any more <sob> so making the most of it today and tomorrow grin

Solars Thu 04-Oct-12 11:44:31

Keep sorry about bfn and spotting but your ivf plans are coming along nicely, 3 appointments wow! Does your insurance policy cover all 3 of them? Let us know how they all go!

We are very thin on the ground aren't we Maybe I am very happy for the friends pregnancy and they are a sweet couple and I don't want to take away any of their excitement and equally I can't blame them for being so excited about it all, just the timing of news for me wasn't good and I really hate who I am/have become with all this ttc business for feeling like this. It feels just so unfair sometimes and I just need to be that little bit stronger to cope with it. I'm ok now plus the sun is out and I'm off out on a few errands!

Geek what a pain about mning during the day now!

Leaves behind petite lemon and jam tarts, will catch up later x

grin Geek I meant carbo load! Got to love predictive text! How dare they move your desk and take you away from us!

Solars I know exactly how you feel. It's horrible feeling sad when you should be feeling happy for others. But it doesn't make you a bad person, just human. It is better now the sun is out. I'm off out for a run in it shortly!

Geeklette Thu 04-Oct-12 13:30:47

Ahh thanks maybe, I understand now <eejit emoticon>

okay okay I'm totes coming back in to the mn fold grin

I can post a long one now. BUT the lure of fresh crumpets just about did it!!

Geeklette Thu 04-Oct-12 14:12:17

Yay!! <wafts more crumpet aromas to entice the ever elusive lesser spotted sparkle to stay>

Whoop whoop <does a little dance just for Sparks>

Princesslovelyboo Thu 04-Oct-12 15:32:38

smilesmile Sparks you came home, we missed you <puts fresh crumpets on to toast>

Yeah Sparks so lovely to see you again
<roles out red carpet for Sparks return>

Good luck for you tomorrow Solars hope those follies are all growing nicely. What time is your scan?
<starts grow follies grow dance>

Princesslovelyboo Thu 04-Oct-12 22:13:24

<joins in with the grow folly dance> brooking for you Solars

Solars Thu 04-Oct-12 22:29:20

Awww thanks Boo & Sweetie need all the brooking I can get! Scan is at 10.10am so will hopefully update you later on when I get back home!

Nice to see you back Sparkes

Night all x

<screeches in>

Emergency brooking required?

I'm on it Solars

Good luck tomorrow xxx

keepitgoing Fri 05-Oct-12 03:28:53

<shimmies into work through the crowds of people doing the grow folly dance>

Good luck for today solars, will be on tenterhooks till you let us know how it goes.

sparks good to see you, and looking forward to your update. Has time away from MN helped you? Though obviously you just missed us too damn much. Shame we've not had any graduates i think since you went off, 'cept maybe boo but can't remember how long you've been off.

geek that is not good news about the desk. I wish MN was less obvious, maybe they should put out a work-y version in dull colours, and without smilies. Genius!

solars i'm not sure if they'll cover all the initial appointments, but they are only 15-30pounds each, so we're happy to do so if not. We get about $5000 per cycle, up to 4 cycles. Not sure if the drugs budget might be separate to that, though. I am a bit wary because I imagine the clinics will just want us to do whatever's most profitable for them. so we are doing lots of research before we go, and as DH is a doctor, hopefully that will make them pull-the-wool a bit less. We just want to get a feel for a few clinics. One of them seems quite like a conveyor-belt for medical tourists. They just say oh, turn up 7 days before AF and you can start. er....? WTAF??? I guess they'd communicate with your home clinic, you'd hope. We'll see. First appt a week on sat.

boo have you done your spin now? was it ok? Are you feeling any less sick yet? and how long till your scan?

AF turned up proper in the night, which i'm glad about, if she had to come. So am a bit tired this morning. But am doing my best to keep her occupied and away from beedle.

Onwards and upwards.

BeedleTheBard Fri 05-Oct-12 06:37:09

Morning all

I just want to wish Solars good luck for today

keep thanks for keeping AF occupied, she hasn't found me yet, which is a little unusual for me on CD25. But i was too chicken to test this morning and I fully expect her to turn up soon

<passes Beedle a ramekin>

You know what to do with it grin

ScarlettInSpace Fri 05-Oct-12 07:08:48

Good luck again solars xx

keepitgoing Fri 05-Oct-12 07:14:50

beedle. PIAR. Go on... Keeping my fingers crossed for you, lovely

Geeklette Fri 05-Oct-12 07:15:32

Good luck solars, I'm brooking for those not-so-little follies!

Brooking for a double whammy Friday with Solars' lovely follies and Beedle's BFP!

And how lovely to have Sparks back, just in time for the BFP action!

Sorry about AF Keep but that's brilliant re your IVF funding and appointment so soon.

Ok ladies, hold you hats for a mega super duper long post.......

Beedle er a BFP welcome present would be very nice! So off you pop to take a test.

Geek I'm sorry things arent going according to plan, and that your journey has hit a rather bumpy road, but its nice to see that TTC has bought you guys closer together.

Keep I was here for boos annoucement and lurked a little around the time snow got hers. I'm sorry AF got you. That sucks monkey balls!!!

Solars exciting time for you my lovely, I'm brooking so super hard for todays appointment.

Hmmm ok forget what else I was going to say....

A little time away has helped, as has leaving facebook, it's oddly enough taken some of the pressure off, because Im not being overwhelmed with pictures of people bumps/babies and status' of people saying how wonderful being a parent is. I dont know why I was letting myself get so worked up. I barely knew half of the people.

Anyways I've spend this cycle totes relaxed, actually not really TTC except when I saw a massive dollop of ewcm and then thought what the hell, may as well 'encourage' mrsparks and we've managed to dtd more times this month than previous months because I'm not waiting for my monitor to flick on to highs (all gadgets and gizmos are currently retired) So I think I've OV'd and am may 3/4DPO but thats going purely by CM.

This months I have a second scan on 17th, to check that the large cyst has gone, but as my last cycle was only a few days after ovulation I'm not that worried about it. Then my referral letter came through for the fertility clinic, 30th October. So I need to get mrsparks to JIAJ, which he weirdly seems quite keen to do (I think its helped that Ive had my scan, he thinks having a fiddle is the least he can do) only problem is we've not recieved anything that says where he is meant to go, and the guidelines for how it needs to be done (obvs the mechanics we get, but about timings and stuff) oh and we;ve not received a vessel in which to j, as it were!!! the mind baffles!!!

Hmmm I think thats it from me....

<sits back and awaits a BFP from beedle>

Ooooh Beedle I'm waiting with baited breath. And I'm sure it's not good for you to bait your breath for long, so gett a weeing.

So nice to have you back Sparks me old mucker.

Solars am brooking so hard for those follies.

Keep so sorry about AF. But great at how cheap your initial consults are! Can't wait for you to have a proper plan of action in place.

<jumps on the back of Biscuits wheels>

Solars Fri 05-Oct-12 12:26:43

A quick update from me, but firstly a big thank you for all the brooking! Well I have some potential follies! one at 13mm on my left ovary and another 2 at 13mm and 1 at 15mm in my right ovary, there were other ones there at about 8-7mm and 3mm too. So potentially 3-4 follies, which is good. They ideally want to get the follies to 18mm so I have another scan on Monday to see how everything is going! More dancing over the weekend I'm afraid!

Beedle what's this I hear? no af, you go and pee in that ramekin pronto!!

Sparkes I feel good things coming your way, dear!

Waves to everyone else!

Princesslovelyboo Fri 05-Oct-12 13:01:21

Brilliant news Solars smile <polishing up my dancing shoes for the weekend grow folly

Beedle it is time to find a ramekin!!

Sparks lovely to hear the break did you some good. smile

Geeklette Fri 05-Oct-12 13:06:37

sparks good luck for the scans and various appointments, sounds like you have a good plan in place! And well done for ditching the TTC peripherals and just getting on with it the good old fashioned way - you realise that this absolutely guarantees a BFP, don't you?!

beedle exciting times! Brooking that AF is still staying away, and conitnues to do so for the next nine months. I am so jealous of people who have an entire cycle less time than it takes me to go from AF to ov.

solars that is EXCELLENT news! <continues doing the follie-grow dance with vigour>

Solars ths is amazing news!?! You must be over the moon!

keepitgoing Fri 05-Oct-12 15:03:16

Woo hoo solars fab news. Well done!

Grow, follies, grow. There's nowhere else to go...

Solars Fri 05-Oct-12 17:36:00

<admires Boo's dancing shoes>

Any news Beedle?

I am very happy Maybe at least there was something growing! This whole step by step process is so strange!

Hope everyone has a good weekend! Any nice plans for anyone? We have another quiet one for us!

There's news in ante natal......

<blows kisses to all brookers>

Solars that is great news on the follies count, brooking really hard for those lovelies to grow fat and juicy over the weekend

<resumes grow follies grow dance>

<joins in the grow follies grow dance>

<teaches it to ds1 and ds2 for extra brooking power>

PrincessPumpkinshoutsBOO Sat 06-Oct-12 12:05:09

<twirls> do you like my Halloween costume? smile

Big spin tomorrow, wish me luck ladies.

<still doing grow folly dance>

ScarlettInSpace Sat 06-Oct-12 14:11:18

<stealth ninja post while SKs are driving OH up the wall [i gave them doughnuts grin ]>

Well done solars go follies!

I have v v v sore nips and keep getting random teeth/jaw ache #justsayin
Really trying not to get my hopes up though who am I kidding

<sidles back out leaving rest of seemingly sugar laden doughnuts in the side>

PrincessPumpkinshoutsBOO Sun 07-Oct-12 07:58:08

Right, snacks are packed, I have my very attractive cycling shorts on and a spin bike with my name on it. I will let you all know how I get on later smile is it too late to pull out?

Solars Sun 07-Oct-12 14:01:50

Good luck Boo is it a spinathon?

Ooooo Scarlett anymore symptoms to report today?

I bet the boys look cute Biscuits dancing away!

Any news Beedle?

Hope everyone else is well

We've had too much of a relaxing weekend so far but has been lovely and I hope it stands us in good stead for next week. I've been getting lots of cm over the last couple of days and am starting to worry I may prematurely ovulate before egg collection, crazyily over thinking things or not? I don't even know if it would be possible??

PrincessPumpkinshoutsBOO Sun 07-Oct-12 14:43:41

5 hours spin all done smile very tired now.

Well done boo hope you can take it easy now and look after yourself

Solars I think plenty of Cm is normal cos I was the same. I think the meds stop ov happening before the trigger shot. That is why they give you a very specific time todo the trigger shot. Good luck for tomorrow, hope those follies have all come along and are ripe for the picking.

Solars Sun 07-Oct-12 17:14:44

Well done Boo

Thanks Sweetie I was getting worried! Plus i consulted dr google and there were cases where women had cycles cancelled due to them ovulating, but i guess you can find an answer to anything on google, so i've stepped away from google and am thinking positive thoughts!! Hope you're ok x

On reflection this weekend I've broken every 2ww rule!! I forget to take my folic acid tablets yesterday, drank wine, cooked with wine, had caffeine, ate blue cheese AND had runny eggs hmm

JenFrankenstein Sun 07-Oct-12 19:39:06

Sounds like a BFP is on the way then Sparks

<pokes head in, realising it would appear to be 3o'clock in the morning, although it's only 10 here>

How are you all doing over here? I'm afraid I've rather lost track of things what with moving and the like. I hope you're all well and all that. Sorry not to be seeing more of you on the other thread, but still brooking from afar.

DC seems all well and good. I have a couple of nice new friends, one of whom is a MNer. Natch. And a scary obstetrician. But the least said about her the better. She is clearly not a MNer.

Night night all.

<leaves baskets of cinnamon raisin bagels, cinnamon breakfast cereal and cinnamon lattes for all, but takes the cinnamon toothpaste away, because, all American or not, it's clearly the work of the devil.>

keepitgoing Mon 08-Oct-12 03:27:57

hi whim! I'm awake, as it's 9.30am here in rainy bangkok! Glad things are good with you. I wouldn't know how to admit to anyone i'm on MN... Bleurgh to cinammon toothpaste. I bought some here the other day which turned out to be salt flavoured. SALT!! I mean come on, WTAF? It's so gross, but that's what you get for having a funny script...

solars am brooking for your scan today, and hoping egg collection will be very soon afterwards.

well done on the spin, boo. Now, you rest up the next few months.

beedle am hoping no news from you as you're so busy celebrating your holiday bfp. Are you home now?

sparks when is the BFP due then? or are you so relaxed you don't even know? when's your appointment, i can't remember? i just ran out of pg tablets today, so have to wait for my mum to bring some out in 3 weeks. But as i said to mrk, i've been taking them for over a year for no reason. Maybe not taking them is the way forward. i do have some folic acid though.

We have IVF appointments on sat, sun and monday. am pretty nervous but also excited. Hope to start in Jan.

BeedleTheBard Mon 08-Oct-12 05:28:27

sorry for being AWOL, I didn't have any internet access without MrB peering over my shoulder, and seeing as he knows nothing about mumsnet or you lot I couldn't post. And anyway I had nothing exciting to say, AF turned up a day late before I could test grrr. Its probably a good thing though, I'd hate to prove the theory that going on holiday and "relaxing" makes you pregnant grin But we're home now and I have to go to work sad

solars was it another scan today? Good luck

whims nice to see you dropping in

waves to keep

I will try to be around more now that we're back to our normal routine

keepitgoing Mon 08-Oct-12 05:52:08

oh beedle sad both for damned AF and for return to work. How was the holiday - where were you? When's mrb's next date with the pot?...

PrincessPumpkinshoutsBOO Mon 08-Oct-12 09:21:32

Solars brooking for your scan today, good luck, really hope those follies have done their job!!

Hiya everyone else, hope you all ok. Not seen much of some of you lately, Maybe,Geek and Imps and others sorry if I forget to name check, still brooking for you all.

Morning brookers. My goodness,Mae are very international today aren't we wink

Lovely to see you Whims. Cinnamon toothpaste? Why oh why. I find baking soda toothpaste hard enough to get my head around. Glad you're settling in well in DC. I really do want to hear more about your obstetrician though...

Keep how exciting about your appointments. Totally understandable to feel nervous though. I just can't believe how much quicker things can move over there!

halloweenthemedBoo well done on your spin lovely. How you feeling this morning?

Beedle sorry AF found you. Did you have a lovely break though?

PrincessPumpkinshoutsBOO Mon 08-Oct-12 09:38:37

Hiya Maybe I'm ok, tired and my legs ache a bit lot but fine. I have been banned from any more exercise for the rest of the week by my instructor. How are you and Mr M? Have you had the cf results yet?

What a sensible instructor you have. Though if you're anything like me, that would be a red flag to a bull!

We get the results at the follow up appointment, but that's only 2.5 weeks away, so not so bad n

oh beedle Im so sorry!! be extra super kind to yourself!!

Keep how exciting to be potench starting in January, baby by the end of 2013 me thinks!!!

Havent really got a clue where I am in my cycle, I think maybe 10DPO, but could be more or could be less, sooooo with an LH phase of approximately 12 days I could test any day now really, but zero symptoms (well none that I cant put down to work related stress).

<leaves shredded wheat for everyone> sorry ladies its all I've got!!

Hello Brookers!

I'm back, I took a few months off to try to relax & stop thinking about ttc so much (it totally hasn't worked blush)

I'm not sure if I'm up to date with everything that has happened but here goes

Sweetie I've just been reading about your IVF journey. Im so sorry this cycle didn't work out. How are you doing with the puppy training? She looks so adorable.

Solars have got absolutely everything crossed for you my dear

Scarlett also crossing everything for a natural BFP for you

Geek hoping your referral gets sorted ASAP

Maybe it finally sounds like you and MrMaybe have at last found a helpful doctor. It so good that you now know what was affecting the sperm count.

Sparks I've missed your FB updates, they always made me laugh. Hope your doing ok.

Beedle sorry about AF, sounds like you had a good holiday. Boo to being back at work.

Boo big congrats on the BFP, amazing news gringrin

I can't believe that Faith has finally got a BFP, that really made me smile. If your still reading this thread, I'm so happy for your well deserved BFP smile

Imps how are you doing? Are you still enjoying your new job.

Sorry if I've forgotten anyone/mixed anyone up blush

Keep that sounds great about the funded IVF. Good luck looking around clinics. Sounds like you are having a great time in bangkok

Cup it's so good to have you back grin

Now, tell us what has been going on with you <nosey>

ScarlettInSpace Mon 08-Oct-12 13:02:44

Hiya cup nice to have you back not least because we're a bit thin on the ground these days lol

whim hellooooo! How many times have you been told to 'have a nice day' grin

sparks nice to have you back too medear.


Working from home with zero motivation. Loads to do but cba to do any of it and have so far spent most of today googling.

I need to change my vocation, cos I'm utterly utterly bored of sales/account management. It's not even worth looking for another job becasue I suspect it will be a case of same shit different company iykwim, plus I feel like I haven't got enough headspace to look for/interview/start a new job etc.
Can't afford to retrain or take a salary drop.
Think I need to set up a business of my own.

In symptom news, my boobs are still a bit sore but that is fairly normal for my 2ww, I am 8dpo and just don't feel diffed. I am holding out til Weds at the earliest to test but am not holding my breath. I am sick of the bloated diffed-looking belly I have had since the treatment, despite being 2kilos lighter than before I started I can't fit into any of my bloody clothes angry and everyone is going to to be thinking I am pregnant when I'm not hmm

How's everyone else?

Geeklette Mon 08-Oct-12 13:06:23

Ok, so the desk move is complete and as suspected MNing is not really going to happen very easily.

cups lovely to see you back, how are things with you??

boo congratulations on finishing your spin, I second your instructor's orders - take the rest of the week off!!!

There are a few new names I don't recognise on the FB page (can't access from work so can't remember all the nicknames but they are the most recently added) - are these gradulates, or brookers who have yet to post on here yet?

6DPO here, trying not to mental but my temp has taken a nosedive. Not sure how much to trust it though because I was out of bed ten minutes before I had to take my temp to scream at tell off the cats and chase them downstairs.

Oooh - news - I did some baking this weekend - black forest gateau cupckaes. They were yum! so yum they didn't last five minutes - literally and less than 100 calories per cupcake, can't be bad grin

<leaves black forest gatea crumbs for all>

Geek I think a lot of the new FBers are grads who have just caught on to everything, myself included smile

haha I cant believe I leave FB and we get shed loads of new members!! Although I do love the fact that I can live in complete denial about things happening outside my own little life. I actually get to read the news these days, rather than just seeing someones facebook status and I dont have to pretend to care when someone says something like "Im so miserable today" or "Im in so much pain" (but not enough to stop you posting)

cup we've all missed you so much but agree with maybe we need a little more of an update please!!

Scarlett Im bored too, but I have a meeting at 3 about the worlds most depressing topic so Im just allowing myself to be a little more chilled than I would normally be.

Geek we're lucky that from a very early age we trained our cats to sleep in the kitchen. We can now just say "its bed time" and they both get up from where ever they are and run downstairs and get in their respective beds, sorry thats ever so gloaty of me your cakes sound amazing!!!! I've not seen much baking related posts lately. For the record I did an amazing lunch yesterday, portabello mushroom, blue cheese and red onion marmalade sandwiches!!

What about crafting? whats everyone making at the moment? Maybe has taught me how to knit socks, well she pointed me in the direction of a relatively simple pattern and then fielded every one of the billions questions I had to ask. Last night I turned my first ever heel grin

Apparently.... and dont get excited.... but hubby says I need to do a test tonight as my AF is due in a couple of days, because I've been avoiding taking antihistamines for my chronic hives just in case, but I keep having reoccuring flare ups (probs stress induced). Im pretty sure I know what the result will be, but I know how much you guys enjoy a good awaiting result sesh!!

BeedleTheBard Mon 08-Oct-12 13:29:52

quick post (again. I will write more soon, and not just about me!)

I just got a phone call from the hospital and they want me to come in for my HSG tomorrow afternoon, so I'm hoping that my very light end-of-period spotting stops soon. and MrB has a date with a jar tomorrow am. so its all go around here.

cups lovely to see you back

geek I'll get onto to facebook and update myself - I didn't really have time when I saw the new document (and I was a bit confused as to why FB seemed to think that everyone had just introduced themselves, when we did that months ago)

scarlett sorry you're bored, and I'm having the same problem with clothes at teh moment, but its due to far too much good food on holiday grin

PrincessPumpkinshoutsBOO Mon 08-Oct-12 13:39:28

Sparks a test you say?? <grabs Adam bag, sits and waits everso patiently> <checks watch, is it tonight yet?>

Beedle when Sparks abandoned us on fb she took told names list with her, and now we have all these new ones to learn I had not actually learnt the old ones

Cups it is lovely to see you back smile

Geek link to take recipe please? They sound lovely (the cake, not the cats, they sound like little devils)

PrincessPumpkinshoutsBOO Mon 08-Oct-12 13:40:58

blush sitting on a bean bag, not an Adam bag, not even sure what an Adam bag is confused

Well things have been difficult between me and DH. Basically he is willing to do any tests and most things I ask him to (apart from cutting down his drinking!). But he doesn't like me talking about ttc and I feel he can be quite unsympathetic when I'm upset. It's made me feel so alone at times. We are working through things though so hopefully that will get better. He has been very good up until the last few months, after 2 years I think he is sick of it all too.

We have had all our tests repeated by the specialist. I've had a HSG. DH latest SA is a bit worse. His count had doubled from 23million to 55million but his normal morphology had dropped from 16% to 8%. I'm not too worried as I understand there is a degree of compensation due to the increased count. He has been advised to take l-arginine by the consultant. The consultant has discharged us as he couldn't find anything wrong, he has written to our GP advising if we are still not pg in January to refer us for IVF. He would not give us clomid as I'm ovulating & as the HSG was fine he does not think a lap & dye is needed. So we are back in the wilderness. I'm not holding my breath about the IVF as I'm sure they will come up with some reason not to fund us.

Sorry for the long post. As you can see I have completely lost my brooking power and need you all to sort me out!

Oh Cups. It's all so shit isn't it. How frustrating they can't find anything. That sounds terrible, but you know what I mean. You just wants reason. They wouldn't have a reason not to find IVF would they?

You and DH will work through things, I just know you will. We are all brooking on your behalf, so panic not

keepitgoing Mon 08-Oct-12 15:24:07

cup so sorry to hear of your problems. I think we all deal with infertility in our own way, but it's so important to think about your partner as well. I know how frustrating unexplained is, I almost wish they'd find something too. But don't worry about the morphology, our consultant said anything over 5% is OK, and esp as you have a high count. Interesting to see your Dr said don't bother with clomid, we'd been wondering abut that. I know in some places it is prescribed to women who ovulate.

sparks I Don't Believe you've trained your cats like that!!!! Good luck with poas, you can either take drugs, or won't care that you can't. smile

beedle that's not much notice for your hsg! Good luck. Mine just felt like period pain but I took some paracetamol a bit before, which they recommended. Good luck to mrb too x

Where's solars? Can't remember her scan time but its nearing bed time here...

Scarlett it's too early for symptoms!! Don't fret. You know you had a juicy egg, good sperm, lovely lining... I know what you mean about jobs, it can be depressing. Am tempted to retrain... setting up a business would be amazing!

Brooking for us all.

Beedle good luck with the HSG, mine smarted a bit. It felt quite uncomfortable but it was bearable. Im famous in my family for being a wimp so maybe you won't even feel it grin

Maybe the not knowing is the frustrating part. I know I should be grateful that there is nothing wrong but part of me is desperate for a diagnosis.

Keep that's reassuring about 5% being acceptable. I was keen to give clomid a go but the consultant was against it. He says he sometimes gives it when women are already ovulating but only if their progesterone is borderline (around 30) I've had a few day 21 tests done and they are all between 45-50. He said if I really wanted clomid he would give me a prescription but he would not monitor me at all & he would document that it had been given at my insistence hmm Obviously that scared me off the idea a bit!

Solars Mon 08-Oct-12 16:54:16

Sorry this is short and sweet from me, firstly thanks for all the brooking again and secondly, welcome back Cupcakes good to have you back, I've missed you! I'll be brooking for you if you're not up to it at the moment! By the way I was given clomid even though there was need for it and it didn't do anything for me! Wish I could say something to make it all easier but I can totally understand the frustrations! They can't deny you IVF if you've been trying for about 3 years though!

Well I had my scan this morning and someone has been dancing particularly well as 2 of the follicles were at 20 & 21mm! another at 16mm and others still about 8-7mm. My lining is looking 'lovely' and I have just had a call from the clinic that egg collection is on Wednesday! Feels all a little scary now!

Sorry but I will try and post a little later and catch up properly with you all x

Solars Mon 08-Oct-12 16:55:18

sorry 'even though there was no need for the clomid....'

Fab scan news solars smile. I think it would be my DSs' dancing that yippee the balance grin.

Brooking for Wed x

ScarlettInSpace Mon 08-Oct-12 17:25:46

that's awesome news solars very pleased for you x

Yippee? Tipped I mean

Although yippee for the good scan grin

PrincessPumpkinshoutsBOO Mon 08-Oct-12 17:34:22

Solars that is brilliant news, really happy for you.

Great news Solars will be brooking like crazy for Wednesday. Congrats on your lovely lining wink

Geeklette Mon 08-Oct-12 18:40:08

Congratulations solars!! That is an amazing result! Brooking like mad for you for Wednesday.

cup I'm so sorry things have been so hard for you. I am sure you and MrCup will work things out, it's just so hard to know what to do for the best sometimes. Like the others though, I can't see why they would refuse you IVF. Does your county have any bizarre rules? I know they vary across the board.

beedle tomorrow? Wow, that's very short notice! Good luck lovely.

boo see recipe below (but be warned, I kind of made it up so I'm accepting no responsibility for anything if it doesn't turn out perfectly!!!)

geeklette's fab less than 100 calorie black forest gateau cupcakes

(makes 6 because I wasn't brave enough to make more on a trial run)

2 medium eggs
50g cocoa powder
50g self raising flour
8 tablespoons of granulated splenda or cheap Aldi equivalent
100ml cherry cola (sugar free)
Jar of black cherries in syrup infused with juice
50g double cream
1 square of bourneville dark chocolate

Preheat the oven to 180'c

Whisk the splenda, eggs and diet cola until blended and a bit frothy

Sift the flour and cocoa powder into the wet ingredients

Fold together gently with a spatula until it makes a wonderful guey dark brown mess

Divide between 6 paper cases and bake for 18 minutes

Leave to cool for 10 minutes, then gently gouge out a hole into the centre of each one (from the top) - make sure not to go all the way through!

Whisk up the double cream until it is thick and spreadable (rather than pourable). Make up an icing bag with a small piping nozzle, and put the stiff double cream into it ready for the fun.

Pop two cherries into each hole, then pipe the double cream over the top of each cupcake.

Stick a cherry on the top and finish with some finely grated bourneville dark chocolate.

Scoff the lot before anyone knows you baked 'em!

PrincessPumpkinshoutsBOO Mon 08-Oct-12 18:56:05

Brilliant recipe advice there Geek I will be following the last part to the letter grin

Beedle good luck tomorrow.

Cheery wave to everyone else, can't stay longer to name check I have to thrash and beat convince I teenager to do homework sad

BeedleTheBard Mon 08-Oct-12 19:04:46

Wow geek they sound fab, though please excuse my ignorance, what is Splenda? Is is fake sugar? I'm not sure you can get cherry coke here either, I've never looked though. And you definately can't buy double cream here - anyone would think I was living in a third world country (apologies to anyone who actually does live in a third world country grin )

They did ask if I could accept a short notice appointment for the HSG, but I was a bit sceptical about how well it would work as they just go by my average cycle length and phone me. I didn't have to ring up on CD1 and beg for an appointment, as it seems most people have to on here. I've been told to take some painkillers and some other period-pain (?) type drugs an hour before.

solars well done on growing those follicles, I'm brooking for success on Wed

Geeklette Mon 08-Oct-12 19:27:27

beedle yes, it's an artificial sweetener made from sucralose, and has almost none of the nasty aftertaste that goes with most artificial sweeteners. I'm devastated that you can't get cherry coke there though - that is surely criminal! Synthetic cream would work just as well, especially if you got a squirty can (not sure if you can get this in Sweden either - sorry if you can't sad )

Cupcakes lovely to have you back, sorry you & DH have been having a tough time. Hope you are at the other side of those difficulties and onwards to your BFP however you get there.

Beedle sorry to hear AF found you, but good news the medical stuff is progressing without delay. Good luck tomorrow for your HSG and MrB date with his jar.

Solars all those follie dancing has obviously work, what time is your trigger shot tonight? Good luck with it and just think no jabs tomorrow - yeah. Try not to worry about the egg collection, it was so much easier than I thought it would be. It was done under really heavy sedation so I have not real recollection of it. If you have any questions or concerns just ask or PM if you like. You have done so well to get to this point please try not to stress.

Geek those sound fab, unfortunately I am not blessed in the cookery or any other crafty department. Could you put me one in the post?

Sparks have you POAS yet?? <nosey emoticon>. Lovely to have you back too my lovely, any chance you will be returning to fb soon? I loved seeing all your crafting genius

boo how you feeling now, still stiff or are you coping? Hope the family are still looking after you

I have been having a few pup issues, we think she may have allergies so are trying her on different food. She scratches all the time even though we have wormed and de-fleaed her to no avail.

I have no idea what day I am on or if I ovulated, I think I will have, but we are having a month off everything to give me/us a break after the IVF. It is like a breath of fresh air not to be tracking everything and dtd when neither of us really feel like it. Will be back on the band waggon next month, well maybe wink

PrincessPumpkinshoutsBOO Mon 08-Oct-12 21:08:53

Hiya Sweetie my legs are still a bit sore, I think it will be a few days until they are better. I have had another relaxing day, one benefit to Mr boo still having no luck finding work, he is waiting hand and foot on me smile I have had a complete emotional break down tonight (full explanation on the grad thread) I think it is just because I am still so tired.

I think some time off to relax and recoup after what you went through last month is a really good idea, hope you get to the bottom of pup's problem too.

Beedle no whipped cream you say confused well I would start to petition the government if I were you, that is clearly not on!!! Brooking that you at very least have squirty cream in a can grin

PrincessPumpkinshoutsBOO Mon 08-Oct-12 22:06:19

Sparks did you poas/piar?

Sorry boo forgot to update

Booooo for BFN
Yaaay for antihistamines

PrincessPumpkinshoutsBOO Mon 08-Oct-12 22:24:15

Oh Sparks I am sorry sad

Solars Mon 08-Oct-12 22:34:03

I had a feeling it was your 2 bambino's that did the trick Biscuits smile

Beedle good luck for you and MrB for tomorrow, and btw no double cream?! Really!?

Mmmm Geek those sound yummy! I made scones this weekend!

Keep you're going to be busy, busy, busy with those appointments!

Sparkes yes any news? In terms of craftiness I'm 3 quarters of way of knitting a scarf, I'm going to need some help with tying in the ends soon!

Boo glad you're relaxing now!

Sweetie poor little pup! Trigger shot is at 11.30pm! Yes and I can't wait no more injections tomorrow although I was getting into quite a routine with them, it will be weird not injecting again tmrw I may be asking a few qs, is there anything you would recommend taking with you on the day? And how long after the procedure do they say its ok you can go home?

Solars Mon 08-Oct-12 22:35:17

Sorry x-post plus very slow typer sorry about bfn, by the way how is that rash coming along? Is it better?

Solars Mon 08-Oct-12 22:35:52

That was for Sparkes sorry