TTC first baby #2

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NicolaHazel Fri 08-Jun-12 10:57:50

Due to the luck thread starters have, I thought I'd mark a place for the second thread as we are so chatty!

Here's to BFPs for us all :-)

DulcetMoans Fri 08-Jun-12 12:39:57

Yay! Holding place and ready to chat!

alwyn Fri 08-Jun-12 12:42:55

Ha! Like your style Nicola!!

NicolaHazel Fri 08-Jun-12 12:44:48

Thanks, alwyn!

There had been a run of thread starting luck recently, so I wanted a bit of that action :-)

This will be the end of the luck, ha ha!

alwyn Fri 08-Jun-12 12:46:26

Fx it's not!!

Popinda Fri 08-Jun-12 13:32:11

Hello, I would like to join too! grin let's all get bfp this month! gringrin Nicola if that's happens this would be the most fertile tread! gringrin cheers to that! grin and some biscuit

EchoDragon Fri 08-Jun-12 13:48:29

Oooh count me in. Need some of that luck from old thread.
<settles down with brew and hands out chocolate cake>

Maclairey Fri 08-Jun-12 14:29:04

I am in!!

I need some kind of luck, day 48 and counting sad

FlipperSkipper Fri 08-Jun-12 14:30:38

Hello! I posted on the first time frolickers thread, but there's more than one first baby thread. Is it bad netiquette to post here too? I'm 33, my husband is 38 and we've been trying for 10 months. We've had some basic tests done by the GP (blood tests and ultrasound for me, semen analysis for him) and have been referred to the hospital for further tests now, as I had a burst appendix 10 years ago and have been warned that this could affect fertility, as scarring could block my tubes.

My blood tests and ultrasound were fine, and I'm using a clearblue fertility monitor that says I ovulate on day 20 of a 30 day cycle. My husband's sperm count came back as low (5million/ml) but motility etc. was all fine, so this is being repeated and he's started taking the wellman conception vitamins. I'm pleased we've got the referral, but all of a sudden it all seems so much more serious! I'm so scared that my surgery from years ago is going to affect all this.

LisaC2611 Fri 08-Jun-12 14:31:13

Hi all, can I join too? I'm 36, DH is 38 and we are on the 2nd cycle of TTC our first baby. Thought we had hit the jackpot first time last month as was 6 days overdue, but typically bought a test, which was negative and then AF visited the next morning!

Here's hoping for a BFP this month (or next). Lots of baby dust for everyone grin

Pinkie29 Fri 08-Jun-12 14:34:37

Maclairey - a great help for bad skin in pure bentonite clay, you get a kilo off eBay for about £10 and mix up a face mask, literally feel the dirt being sucked out of your skin!

Maclairey Fri 08-Jun-12 14:37:25

Thanks Pinkie, I may have to look into that. Not sure I can handle loads of zits again, it was bad enough first time round!

Hello to those above. Enjoy joining in the madness smile

Pinkie29 Fri 08-Jun-12 14:38:25

It was the only thing that worked for me and I've tried everything the last 5 years!!

Popinda Fri 08-Jun-12 14:39:42

Tried to post to old tread, not possible any more. sad
Maclairey - same prob here! I look like 15 year old teen! sad
Pinkie will try your tip. Fx it will help! smile

KickTheGuru Fri 08-Jun-12 14:40:00

I am just chucking in an answer to mrsbugsy from the other thread:

The trouble is mrsbugsy is that I had this at the same time last month and got very excited about it. THIS month, I know it's not from pregnancy even thought the things this month are much more severe.

The heart burn thing I had last month, but things taste very strong for me today. The Lucozade I have had to water down and normally I can eat pineapple but it's been given away on account of clawing down my gullet.

I was erring towards progesterone levels but non of my other symptoms indicate progesterone errors. Even thyroid says your menstrual cycles are meant to slow or change and mine hasn't. If it is a thyroid issue, I have half the symptoms over the overactive and half of under active.

I have no idea.

But the antihistamines make my mouth not so dry so I could actually manage to sleep a full (ish) night last night.

Doctors' issue now. They need to fix it. I have no idea.

KickTheGuru Fri 08-Jun-12 14:41:25


Dont' get down on yourself. We've been TTC for the same length of time and I had fibroid surgery 3 years ago. They go on and on about how it could affect my fertility but I know my doctor would have told me if there were any issues.

Chin up. We'll get there smile

Kittenkatzen Fri 08-Jun-12 14:43:53

<sneaks in to mark place, take the BIGGEST bit of echo's chocolate cake..>

Welcome to the newbies, hope some of the luck from this lovely thread rubs off on you!

nicola/red i love love love Muse! They are amazing live, always put on a brilliant show. Really hoping I get allocated tickets as it's always such a nightmare trying to get on Ticketmaster or whatever in the general sale. There are only two London dates though arrrgh!!

redstrawberry Fri 08-Jun-12 14:49:25

Fx you get the tickets kitten
I not feeling too hopeful this cycle, only dtd twice so far. Will try and fit in some humpage over the weekend.

<waves at everyone on the thread>

KickTheGuru Fri 08-Jun-12 14:51:02

Hump hump hump

I hope we've done it enough because I am TIRED today. It feels like a Saturday and I'm working!

alwyn Fri 08-Jun-12 14:53:14

I need to get on it tonight. And Sunday. And Tuesday.

Am feeling exhausted at the thought of it :P

NicolaHazel Fri 08-Jun-12 14:55:14

We have had so many nightmares getting tickets, Kitten so I more than share your pain.

I've seen them about 20 times all over the world!

Maclairey Fri 08-Jun-12 14:55:17

Ok so I am contemplating poas tomorrow morning. Am I wasting my time and wishful thinking or should I do it? I have no idea what's going on with my body and don't want to keep getting my hopes up and wasting tests. Answers on a postcard please smile

KickTheGuru Fri 08-Jun-12 14:57:47

I will pee with you!

Far too early for me but what the hell?

Maclairey Fri 08-Jun-12 14:59:35

Ok kick it's a date. I will be using a sd hpt. Maybe we will get lucky although I am not convinced for myself...

DulcetMoans Fri 08-Jun-12 15:01:34

Aw, I POAS this morning (bfn by the way) but wish I had waited to join the POAS party instead now!

Maclairey Fri 08-Jun-12 15:03:01

Do another one Dulcet.

Clearly I am a bad influence...

KickTheGuru Fri 08-Jun-12 15:06:58

I have internet cheapies

I did PIAC (pee in a cup) the day before last but I knew it was a waste because I am drinking so much water that it won't get picked up anyway...

Operation internet cheapie PIAC commences tomorrow morning

alwyn Fri 08-Jun-12 15:08:34

I think I might join the POAS party as well on Monday. Only got 5 sticks atm so will need to get some from ebay!

DulcetMoans Fri 08-Jun-12 15:08:55

Well it was the only one I had. Just one left over from a two pack from a scare nearly two years ago! I probably should get some more if we are doing this thing properly...

I am the least organised TTC person, I swear!

KickTheGuru Fri 08-Jun-12 15:11:15

We had one left over from last cycle - stupid thirst / heartburn (same as now) made me think I was pregnant.

Then another 5 or so from December when we had a chem pg.

And I just bought 15 off the internet

I am sure I have enough to test grin

Maclairey Fri 08-Jun-12 15:15:18


Anyone else wanna join in. The more people that join the poas party the more likely someone will be successful.

FC for us all. Kick will you be able to hold your pee all night?

DulcetMoans Fri 08-Jun-12 15:23:05

That's it, I am going to the shop after work to get one. I want to play! I fully expect a BFN but at least I will have been involved!

Maclairey Fri 08-Jun-12 15:28:39

Me too Dulcet but I am happy to take one for the team. It has to happen eventually right?

KFFOREVER Fri 08-Jun-12 15:28:47

Im back too. I tried to post on the other thread (a long post too but now I have lost it). Oh well. My boss let me work from home this afternoon but MN is sooooo addictive. I was thinking while I was on the bus that getting pregnant should be like getting a cold. lol

KickTheGuru Fri 08-Jun-12 15:32:20

KF - you ok?

I can hold it for about 4 hours at night, if the thirst thing can be controlled (randomly) by the antihistamines again. At least I can POAS and just have fun. Will be 5 days before AF is due so like a 46% chance of a positive anyway

How the hell do I remember all these stats?

Pinkie29 Fri 08-Jun-12 15:35:13

Christ I turn my back for 5 minutes and you turn into a bunch of pee on stickers grin I always peed in a pot!

Well midwife (finally) rang! My first appointment is June 22nd I asked her about the cramping she said its perfectly normal and especially with the first pregnancy the womb is adjusting that way for the first time and stretching so it can feel a bit uncomfortable, she said if it gets really bad or any sign of bleeding go straight to the gp who will refer me to gynaecology, not had anything worse than mild/moderate period pain as yet and things seem calmer today smile

KickTheGuru Fri 08-Jun-12 15:39:45

YAY for the (slightly lazy) midwife!

At least all concerns have been put to rest now. Thats brilliant! Does she seem nice?

Popinda Fri 08-Jun-12 15:45:44

I'm in too! I want to poas! I got over 30 tests at home! Im addicted to testing! blushgrin Way early for me as I'm only about to ov this cycle! blush] But I want to join the party! gringrin
Just to see how much of an addict I'm, I poaos (peen on an ov stick) twice a day! blush
When is the poas party? I really want some biscuitbiscuitbiscuit

NicolaHazel Fri 08-Jun-12 15:46:57

I'll join in if my cheapie ones have appeared!

It'll be BFN, but sod it!

KickTheGuru Fri 08-Jun-12 15:48:39

BFN for me too

Shame DH was worried because one of the tests they are doing is hormonal so they need to do it on CD2. He was all concerned because what I what if I don't HAVE a CD2 this cycle...

Popinda Fri 08-Jun-12 15:54:33

Kick - have you just tested?

FlipperSkipper Fri 08-Jun-12 15:55:13

Thank you KickTheguru, every Dr I've ever spoken to about it has a different opinion, and until any tests show it's good news or bad there's no way of knowing.

Love the POAS party that seems to be happening! smile

KickTheGuru Fri 08-Jun-12 16:00:31

pop - nope am just predicting grin

Yeh flipper - it's different to each doctor. When I started with my fibroids, I was 27 and the first doctor I saw told me I needed a hysterectomy. I told him where he could shove his head...

What specifically are you doing for the pregnancy thing?

FlipperSkipper Fri 08-Jun-12 16:21:17

I like your style Kick! grin What specifically am I doing? Just shagging lots! My blood tests say I'm ovulating, although husband's sperm count came back as low, so that's being re-tested. We've been referred to the hospital where I'm hoping for a lap and dye or hysterosalpingogram to see if there is a problem with my tubes. I'm using the CBFM (which is good, as I ovulate much later than I thought) but trying not to get too obsessive about it all - the last couple of weeks have been hard though, I'm thinking about it all too much really.

KickTheGuru Fri 08-Jun-12 16:23:51

Make sure you shag EOD with the low sperm count so that his swimmers get a chance to recoup.

Try to just DTD for as long as possible over the entire time.

KFFOREVER Fri 08-Jun-12 16:33:58

kick I felt queasy this morning. I have just finished AF so nope its not pregnancy. Must be something dodgy I ate.

Wow guys I can't keep up. Soon my house work and work will get neglected. blush

FlipperSkipper Fri 08-Jun-12 16:41:36

Cheers kick! Blimey, the stuff you discuss with people you've never met on the net smile

EchoDragon Fri 08-Jun-12 16:47:43

Oh maclairey I can sympathise I'm on cd50 and appear to have EWCM last two days. So who knows what the help is going on with me.

POA's I'd join you but I don't have any at the mo. Hmm will have to rectify that. So fx for you all. Here's to BFP's all around.

<fixes kitten with a stern glare and smacks hand for not sharing nicely>

KickTheGuru Fri 08-Jun-12 16:48:05

Nothing is private anymore...mwaaaahahaha!!

KickTheGuru Fri 08-Jun-12 16:49:58

Bad luck on queasiness sad

I have left work early on account of feeling like a sick hot dog

KickTheGuru Fri 08-Jun-12 16:55:44

Oh and sticks out bottom lip, lets it quiver, sniffs and hands over a cheapie internet stick to echo

Then sobs in a corner

NICE echo!! ;)

Maclairey Fri 08-Jun-12 16:58:02

The poas party is tomorrow morning for those that wanna join in.

Ahh Echo it's a little bit soul destroying isn't it. I just want normal cycles surely that's not too much to ask. This one feels like it may never end which I wouldn't mind if I was pregnant smile

Hey Kick isn't extreme thirst a sign of diabetes? I hope you feel better soon.

Glad you have spoken to a midwife now Pinkie, glad the cramps have eased off too. PMA all the way hun xx

Bloody hell, I disappear for a few hours and come back to find the old thread full and the new one 3 pages in already!

kitten & nicola I'm a fellow muser grin Only seen them about 5 times though but amazing every time!

I will join the poas party too! I posted on the June thread about testing earlier - not sure if I can see a faint line so going to try again in the morning.

pinkie glad midwife finally got in touch! and that you feel more at ease now smile

Popinda Fri 08-Jun-12 17:32:24

Queen when is af due?

Popinda Fri 08-Jun-12 17:32:39

Or not? grin

pop af isn't due until Wednesday so I'm 5 days early today. The line I thought I saw earlier was probably just an evaporation line but will try again tomorrow to check. Trying not to get my hopes up too much though.

KickTheGuru Fri 08-Jun-12 17:39:21

Coupled with all the other symptoms, it could be my thyroid, diabetes, liver or kidney, allergies, hormones...

They will test everything on cd2 of my next cycle. So no buggering about!!!

NicolaHazel Fri 08-Jun-12 17:53:19

Ooh...a mini Muser MN meet! :-)

They are just amazing live. Fingers crossed one of us gets Manchester tickets, as both me and H2B have applied. Do you want our spares, Queen, if we are both lucky? MEN on Nov 1st.

So...POAS party tomorrow then?!

Popinda Fri 08-Jun-12 17:55:42

Wow queen that's exciting! Fx the line will get stronger! This is really the most fertile thread on mn! gringrin

Maclairey Fri 08-Jun-12 18:01:35

Well I have just eaten my roast pork and cleared up so have collapsed on the sofa.

Queen fc for a very strong line in the morning.

It sounds like it could be any number of things then Kick. Hopefully you wil find out soon.

Can't say I am big fan of Muse. I have only ever seen Bon Jovi live (3 times) and they are awesome.

Errrggh I think I have eaten too much. Although I do have a fresh cream Belgian chocolate choux bun in the fridge which has my name on it.

Kittenkatzen Fri 08-Jun-12 18:04:27

Eeeek echo why am I getting glared at?! <scared>

An M(use)N meet up would be fun haha!

I shall be logging in tomorrow morning to view the results of the POAS party - exciting grin

NicolaHazel Fri 08-Jun-12 18:09:32

I hope the party isn't too early!

Though I do tend to get up earlyish for my first wee, then go back to bed.

Is it better to PIAC and dip with cheapie sticks? Don't want to drown it, ha ha :-)

Kittenkatzen Fri 08-Jun-12 18:11:47

maclairey I saw Bon jovi at hard rock calling last year, they were indeed fab and only a teeny bit cheesetastic smile

DulcetMoans Fri 08-Jun-12 18:14:09

Right, sticks have been bought. I shall go to the POAS ball!

Good timing for a test as carpet for babies second bedroom in the morning!

OMG nicola I would love muse tickets! smile Imagine if we were both there with pg bellies grin

Thanks for the wishes ladies, keeping fx that it wasn't just an evap line.

kick did the docs say what would happen if you don't actually make it to CD2 wink Sorry if you've already said, still catching up with the thread.

kitten I just read about you putting ttc on hold a while - I'm sorry sad Re withdrawal method - I may be shot for saying this but I actually think its quite a reliable form of contraception!! blush I haven't used contraception for several years as I hated the injection, pill didn't agree with me, etc, plus a happy accident would have been fine, DH & I have been together for years and already owned a house, had careers etc. We just wanted to wait until after the wedding to officially start trying properly. Needless to say in all the time we used withdrawal I didn't get pregnant! It works I'm telling you!! grin Maybe your DH shouldn't pull out strrrraight awayyyy hmm

NicolaHazel Fri 08-Jun-12 18:21:37

That would be so cool, Queen...teaching our children about decent music, pre-birth (assuming Guiding Shite isn't played, ha ha!).

So hope your line darkened tomorrow.

Yay dulcet! when is af due for you?

nicola yes I always piac then hold the end of the test in up to the max line for 10-15 seconds or so.

lol@ bon jovi = teeny bit cheesetastic grin

I'll be playing muse to my baby whilst still in the womb nicola grin

thanks, I hope so too smile

Maclairey Fri 08-Jun-12 18:26:08

Kitten I went through a stage of loving Bon Jovi and loved seeing them live. I saw them open the O2 and was 3 rows from the front. The atmosphere was amazing.

Sooooo Euro 2012 has started then.....GREAT. Still keeps DH occupied whilst I am on MN talking to you guys and obsessing about babies/ttc

EchoDragon Fri 08-Jun-12 18:37:55

kicktheguru thanks for the cheapie. grin

kitten because you can't share cake nicely!

Hmm rapidly trying to plot how to get a stick to join rest of lemmings POAStickers tomorrow morning. Don't think I can manage it.

<rocks in corner at missing out on POAS party>

Maclairey Fri 08-Jun-12 18:50:09

Echo is this your first cycle after coming off the pill?

I am beginning to think that my body has forgotten what to do after 10 years of putting artificial hormones in it sad

DulcetMoans Fri 08-Jun-12 18:53:32

queen I don't really know when I am due actually. This is my first month TTC and been on pill/injection and not tracked any of it. I think I am about a week away though. I will write it down this time!

Mclairey - Bloody football! At least the TTC is the relief from the football. I see it as my reward! He gets football, I get baby!

alwyn Fri 08-Jun-12 18:53:41

When I say POAS I actually mean PIACTUTHCPII (pee in a container that used to have Christmas pudding in it)!

KickTheGuru Fri 08-Jun-12 19:05:01

Doc didnt say anything about what would happen if i don't get cd2. Its a bridge you cross when you get the line. Anything else is wishful thinking really.

Echo - ys big bully. I gives you a present and you pees on it. ;)

mclairey my DH has just finished watching one match then said "oh great theres another starting in 20min" hmm

dulcet test tomorrow anyway, no harm done!

xmas pudding container haha

KickTheGuru Fri 08-Jun-12 19:07:04

I PIACTUTBAGP (pees in a cup that used to be a gu pudding)

KickTheGuru Fri 08-Jun-12 19:07:44

I am so glad my DH hates football

alwyn Fri 08-Jun-12 19:09:07

Lol smile

The things we do for these beans smile

NicolaHazel Fri 08-Jun-12 19:11:50

Hmmm...I need to find some kind of dessert container then! :-)

My H2B hates football too, thank god.

Kittenkatzen Fri 08-Jun-12 19:12:41

Oh I see! sorry echo but I never share cake...even if it's not real grin

nicola I quite like guiding light <ducks> did you check out the trailer for the new album? And grin at you and queen rocking out whilst holding on to your bumps!

KickTheGuru Fri 08-Jun-12 19:13:37

I am keeping these stories and will totally tell all when bean is old enough smile

Kittenkatzen Fri 08-Jun-12 19:14:03

Oh and meant to say thanks queen.....have to admit I will be secretly hoping for an 'accident' blush

NicolaHazel Fri 08-Jun-12 19:15:12

Oh, and I have cheapie sticks, so I'm in on the party! :-)

alwyn Fri 08-Jun-12 19:15:47

Of course smile

We're off to Leeds festival in August. Have been told in no uncertain terms that I am NOT going in the pit if pg. But I just CAN'T stay at the back to watch the Foos. I just CAN'T!

NicolaHazel Fri 08-Jun-12 19:16:52

Yes, I did, Kitten! It's bloody EPIC!!!

Rather excited :-)

NicolaHazel Fri 08-Jun-12 19:18:34

Back can be a bit better, as you have room to move about. :-)

We quite often place ourselves at at AV desk at Muse's a nice spot for viewing.

Kittenkatzen Fri 08-Jun-12 19:23:43

Alwen I'm with you - as far forward as possible!! grin

EchoDragon Fri 08-Jun-12 19:52:22

maclairey had nexplanon so same ad cerazette mini pill. Periods were so irregular on it that I have no idea what normal is.

I will pee on my imaginary stick tomorrow to support all you ladies peeing for real

nicola are the muse tickets you applied for standing or seated? Or is it just luck of the draw?

Oh yes got to be up front for the foos!! I was at Leeds fest the last time they headlined there- amazing!! Have seen them since in Manchester, just as amazing! grin

Pinkie29 Fri 08-Jun-12 20:07:31

You've all been busy! The midwife seemed lovely but as its quite a large surgery there's 3 midwives so won't always see the same one due to holidays etc but all notes are centralised so they can all see what the others said to me and any questions I've asked, said first app last about an hour to go through medical history etc then it's about 15 or 20 minutes home appointments after that.

Popped out for a few hours and managed to convince them I'm on 4 weeks antibiotics phew grin will worry after that haha! Much calmer in myself today but still doesn't seem real? Me and dp had a walk round the baby section in tesco just browsing at nappies bottles... So much to get! Decided will wait till after the 12 week scan to start buying tho

alwyn Fri 08-Jun-12 20:15:50

Queen I was there too!!!

And then went to Manchester in 2005.

And then Milton Keynes last year wink

NicolaHazel Fri 08-Jun-12 20:18:41

Pre-sale is standing only, Queen.

I get claustrophobic in crowds and can't stand being squashed and battered. Plus I fainted at the Albert Hall gig whilst being!

Was at the front for Kasabian in Sheffield last year though. Mental night!

Kasabian - another fantastic live band! You'll see them at Leeds this year alwyn! I used to love going to Leeds, I used to camp in Yellow Bubble every year! (apart from one year got stuck in Red camp with a load of scary bikers but lets not mention that!)

I always think there's much more of an atmosphere in the standing section. Would have to stand at the back if pg though!

You ladies have fab taste in music grin

alwyn Fri 08-Jun-12 20:33:57

Ah but we're only going for the Friday! I don't camp :-P

Oh you're missing out alwyn! Well I say this but I no longer camp either which is why I stopped going!

The last year I went I found it impossible to fully embrace the rain and mud like I did in previous years. At the end of each long day I found myself wanting to retire to my tent with a nice hot brew than stay out all night with all the other crazy kids. It was during that weekend that I first felt old sad

NicolaHazel Fri 08-Jun-12 20:45:53

I'm not much of a camper either...we only did one day at Leeds last year and got there just in time for Elbow (who we're seeing at Jodrell Bank 2 weeks tomorrow) because of the weather!

We went to Oxegen the year before - again, day tickets - and got so wet and miserable we couldn't face that again!

We have awesome Reading-style wristbands for our Muser wedding guests...I'll try to put a photo in my profile in a bit. :-)

It's rather lovely 'meeting' new people with excellent taste in music!

alwyn Fri 08-Jun-12 20:46:15

Well I live in Leeds so would prefer to retire to my hot shower and nice comfy bed at night! Will deffo want to if I'm upduffed!

alwyn Fri 08-Jun-12 20:47:37

And yes, great to find people with awesome music taste :-)

nicola thats an amazing idea about festival wristbands for your wedding guests! Wish I had thought of that myself envy I had originally wanted a muse song for my first dance but hubby wouldn't agree! Couldn't decide on one anyway though.

alwyn Fri 08-Jun-12 21:05:09

We had aerosmith and then Foos :-)

NicolaHazel Fri 08-Jun-12 21:06:49

We did too...considered Blackout, but changed our minds. So it's now Elbow, One Day Like This.

But as a piss take we're having Neutron Star Collision as our 2nd song!

Photo now up, by the way.

Neutron Star Collision - might be a piss take but I think its quite sweet! Loving the wrist band pic! I want one! grin

what foos song did you have alwyn?

NicolaHazel Fri 08-Jun-12 21:20:15

It does have a good tune to it...a bit of Knights-style galloping type thing!

You can have one if you like...we have far too many :-)

Popinda Fri 08-Jun-12 21:28:13

Ladies, have you seen the program: "I didn't know I'm pregnant?"

Popinda Fri 08-Jun-12 21:34:16

Meant: I didn't know I was pregnant!

No haven't seen it pop what channel is it on?

nic If you end up having to post out some muse tickets to me then stick a wristband in too! Everyone will be asking me what the hell its for grin
Ohh just think, by the time you go to see muse you'll be married and poss pg too! How exciting! grin

NicolaHazel Fri 08-Jun-12 21:43:56

I know :-) All a bit mind-melting to be honest!

And I will do. Fx we 'win' both pairs!

Popinda Fri 08-Jun-12 21:47:47

Home and health. I just can not believe, that someone does not know that they are pg! How is this possible?

Popinda Fri 08-Jun-12 21:50:11

And next is: 19 kids and counting! grin

alwyn Fri 08-Jun-12 21:51:06

Queen we had Don't wanna miss a thing by Aerosmith, then Walking After You by Foos.

Was amazing and i would have chosen another Foos song as first dance if i could do it again!

DulcetMoans Fri 08-Jun-12 21:52:27

I've seen it Pop, it was on demand on our box a while ago. Pretty extreme. I've got 16 and pregnant on now. Oh dear!

alwyn Fri 08-Jun-12 21:55:20

Luckily my DH refuses to have such trash on the telly :-)

We're watching a repeat Have I Got News For You!

Popinda Fri 08-Jun-12 21:59:25

Dulcet - what channel 16 and pregnant?

DulcetMoans Fri 08-Jun-12 22:04:45

Finished at 10 but I think it was Viva. If I am watching trash its usually Viva or Really. And I do watch a lot of trash!!

Popinda Fri 08-Jun-12 22:07:30

Me too! I like it! gringrin it makes me feel normal. gringringringrin

Oh I've seen 16 and pregnant before, feel sorry for some of the girls on there, they look terrified sad

KickTheGuru Fri 08-Jun-12 22:12:45

We only watch viva for south park

no reality shows whatsoever

i must admit we are both complete snobs in that regard. People can't surely be that stupid?

Popinda Fri 08-Jun-12 22:15:56

Kick - oh yea, they can! I usually watch this things with amazement! grin

DulcetMoans Fri 08-Jun-12 22:26:55

Yeah, reality shows take up a fair proportion of my viewing time! You wouldn't like a weekend at my house Kick!

It seems like every second programme on tv at the mo is reality! I do love all the pregnancy/childbirth ones though, one born every minute was my fave- much more realistic than some of the American ones smile

Popinda Fri 08-Jun-12 23:40:09

Queen- I agree! Many of the american reality shows are a bit hmm. But still watch them. I do too like all pg related shows! I loved one born every minute! Watched it religiously every week. grin I love the bit when the baby was born and everyone got so emotional! Especially dads! Always imagined that one day is going to be me and my dh will be crying like a baby when he sees are dc for the first time! smile I know that's a bit silly. blush

alwyn Sat 09-Jun-12 00:29:38

I enjoyed OBEM because they filmed it at my local mat unit. Gave me an inkling of what i might experience (eventually)!

DulcetMoans Sat 09-Jun-12 08:07:30

I'll start the poas party updates then ...... BFN! But it was nice to be a part of the event. Haha.

Alwyn - the first two were at my local too! Then they moved it to Leeds, but I still watched it.

Agree with you that the US ones are rubbish. So over dramatised! Their one born every minute just isn't as honest as ours. It's all about the drama.

Oh thats good alwyn - all the midwives seemed lovely!

pop thats not silly at all!

dulcet sorry about bfn, when are you due af?

My update - took another test, still faint line but possibly slightly darker than yesterday? Still not dark enough for me to accept as a bfp though, going to have to wait a bit longer methinks!

Pinkie29 Sat 09-Jun-12 09:07:19

Queen sounds good!! Try wait till Monday?

KickTheGuru Sat 09-Jun-12 09:41:04

BFN here too

But I swear all my rubbish symptoms are from a severe allergy reaction. The thing is that when i wake up with a blocked nose and its all blood, i turn into a mouth breather. That dries my mouth out and i get thirsty .

If i didn't have the blood blocked nose, i would doubt it...

NicolaHazel Sat 09-Jun-12 09:49:42

BFN here too! Not exactly a surprise though.

Looking promising for Queen though. :-)

redstrawberry Sat 09-Jun-12 10:13:18

Nicola it might still be early days for you if you are testing end of month?

Kicking how many dpo are you? Still early if you sue next week

redstrawberry Sat 09-Jun-12 10:13:39

Due! Not sue

Sorry to hear about the BFNs but agree that its still early yet.

There's now a photo of my 'line' on my profile, see what you all think?! I think I'm 10dpo today btw.

EchoDragon Sat 09-Jun-12 10:24:59

Well Queen the photo isn't uber clear. But I would say it was a faint BFP. Congratulations.

Popinda Sat 09-Jun-12 10:25:34

Bfn here too, but I haven't even ov this cycle yet, so no surprise there! smile just wanted to be in the poas club! grin and I got over 30 Internet cheep test at home. Secretly hoping wont need them after this month! smile
Def looking promising for queen! I read in one of the conception books ( what to expect before you expecting) that faint line is a positive! As only a pg hormone can produce that line! Have you tried clear blue digital? When was/is your af due? Sorry if you already said that earlier! So much going on here, can't remember everything. blush

milocuckoomitten Sat 09-Jun-12 10:27:16

Hi, I've just posted on first time frolickers but then found this thread too.
I was trying for a while but had a bad year last year so stopped, this year have decided to have a fresh start. Not been trying but not been not trying for the last couple of months.
Have long cycles 33-36 days so thinking of using ov sticks to find out when I am oving. Had blood tests and ultrasound last year but all fine and think it was stress stopping me conceiving.
Since I've spent a while distancing myself from ttc I feel a bit out of it, can anyone tell me what I should be doing as far as supplements, diet etc?

Popinda Sat 09-Jun-12 10:27:39

Queen - I can't view your profile?!

pop just click on my name on any post I've made.

thanks echo the photo isn't the best quality, it went a bit blurry in between being uploaded from my phone. But it pretty much looks like that in RL.

Welcome milo the best advice anyone can give you (ie *kicktheguru smile) is to have sex every other day all the way through your cycle to maximise your chances.

KickTheGuru Sat 09-Jun-12 10:33:43

Pop - they lie smile

A faint line can also be an evap line. Not every line is a positive

echo - what did my virtual test say? Did you see the dance?

I have no idea when or if i oved. I just know i should be due on the 14th June

NicolaHazel Sat 09-Jun-12 10:36:34

Hi milo :-)

And I know, red,

NicolaHazel Sat 09-Jun-12 10:37:52

Oops...wrong button!

I just wanted in on the POAS party!

CD 19 now.

Popinda Sat 09-Jun-12 10:46:33

Queen - tried that. Not working. Maybe because I'm on my phone?

DulcetMoans Sat 09-Jun-12 10:47:15

Queen - due in about a week I think. I haven't really got it mapped out. Congrats on your faint though, hope it turns bfp soon!!

So there weren't really any surprises for the rest us all then? Haha. Oh well, more luck to us all later in the month.

alwyn Sat 09-Jun-12 10:51:30

I did an OV test yesterday - you can tell I've never done one before!! Was so nervous that I'd done it wrong and wasted it!

But yeah, neg. Not surprising given I was only CD8. Will try again today. Got some internet cheapies coming soon so will be able to pee away!!

Maclairey Sat 09-Jun-12 10:59:13

Well that's a BFN from me too. I guess I just wait out ERTD.

Let's hopes its a big congrats to Queen.

Off to B&Q now to buy stuff to take my mind off babies. I worry about myself sometimes smile

alwyn Sat 09-Jun-12 11:01:55

Maclairey are you still on the longest cycle known to man??

Ooh I didn't notice the new thread.

Kick, hopefully the docs will figure it out soon.

Queen - that definitely looks promising. Is it pink? Apparently evap lines are grey, if it has colour then it's a real line. I refused to believe mine was really a line till I took the clearblue test.

alwyn I will be going to Reading festival when I am around 20 weeks. Hopefully I will have an obvious bump by then so people will avoid trampling me in the moshpit grin. Am a bit worried about constantly needing to wee.

Sorry the rest of you didn't get your BFPs (yet)

bugsy will you be going to Reading for the whole weekend? My DH has tickets for V festival the week before but not sure whether to go or not if I turn out to be preg, would be around 12wks then? Yes the line is pink but really faint. I don't really believe it either. I keep saying I'm going to wait but might be tempted to go and get a cb later.

alwyn how long is your cycle usually? I'm normally a 30 dayer, if I'm defo pg then I think I would have conceived around cd15-ish. Saying that though it is completely different for everyone!

KickTheGuru Sat 09-Jun-12 11:27:52

Queenie when was af due? Same day as me?

Well Queen I am no expert, and it's very early days, but I think congratulations could well be in order [flowers].

I think you get two clearblues in the box so you could do one tomorrow morning, and save the other?

Yes I'm going for the whole weekend. It's up to you but I'm not planning on putting my life on hold while I'm up the duff. Obviously I have no idea how my pregnancy will go, but for now I will assume that I will be fit and healthy until proven otherwise. I'll just make a few concessions eg. an inflatable mattress to sleep on.

oops, meant thanks

Due on Wednesday kick so still 4 days early yet. If Wednesday comes and goes with no af then I may start to believe it then.

Thanks bugsy I really hope so. I think I'll see how I go but I used to love drinking copious amounts of beer at festivals so would have to skip that! I've never been to V festival, was always more of a Leeds fest kind of girl, so no idea if the crowds get as manic or not, V is a lot more 'poppy' than the rockier crowds who go to Leeds/Reading, so I can imagine much more of a family type atmosphere? No idea though!

NicolaHazel Sat 09-Jun-12 11:46:20

V was as manic as Leeds, IMO! Not sure I'd be heading into the pit if pregnant anyway...but that's just me. :-)

And I know what you mean about festivals and beer going hand in hand!

Pinkie29 Sat 09-Jun-12 12:03:11

Queen boots were doing two cb digitals for £10.99 a few days ago cheapest I found but only done one once I'd had a few positives

I think I may nip to Boots in a bit pinkie - added more pics to my profile as just tested again! Were your lines anything like mine?

How can I have a festival with no beer nicola?!

DulcetMoans Sat 09-Jun-12 12:16:49

Queen - you'll have to pour your water into the cardboard pint glass! We normally go to IOW festival but not this year. I'd probably still go if I was pregnant though. Maybe treat myself to a caravan if I felt special!

NicolaHazel Sat 09-Jun-12 12:18:08

I have no idea, Queen! Challenging indeed!

Ooh...yes, go to Boots. Very exciting for all of us!

Pinkie29 Sat 09-Jun-12 12:49:03

Queen the must recent one looks darker than my test at 12dpo grin I was trying to upload so you can compare but am on my phone so don't think it's possible! Will try later on laptop

haha love the idea of drinking water out of the cardboard pint glass grin

DH is going to pick me up a digital test, he'll be home in a few hours. He said he'll pop to Tesco to buy it, I remember seeing a pack of two Tesco digital tests for about 7 quid, anyone had any experience of these? Or do you think I should stick with the CB?

Thanks pinkie I love looking at pics of lines so can't wait to see yours blush

alwyn Sat 09-Jun-12 13:02:33

queen usually bang on 28 days but then this is my first cycle off the pill, so no idea of what it might settle down to!

Pinkie29 Sat 09-Jun-12 13:12:36

Oh and we dtd this morning for the first time since finding out! I was like a nervous teenager! Dp said we don't have to if I'd rather not and assured me his willy wouldn't get near my little poppy seed (I've been calling her poppy) and clearly decided its a girl already! All went well tho weren't as ahem rigorous as usual!

He's been with a couple of pg girls before (I find that odd!)

NicolaHazel Sat 09-Jun-12 13:15:32

I'm in the same boat, alwyn. First cycle off the pill / injection. Used to have spot on 28 day cycles many moons ago, but no idea what will happen now.

CD19 now, so heading towards knowing, I suppose. I could do without all the lady pain / twinges I've been suffering though!

KickTheGuru Sat 09-Jun-12 13:33:09

My DH was so cute over December when we thought we were pg. He needed a lot of proof before he believed that DTD was safe.

Hence why I know smile

Newbie2 Sat 09-Jun-12 14:02:46

Nicola - I'm pretty close to you in days.. I'm on CD 27 now. FX something happens soon for both us!

alwyn Sat 09-Jun-12 14:27:28

I'm 10 days behind you nicola. CD9 today. No OV yet. Will keep POAS until it drives me insane grin

Newbie2 Sat 09-Jun-12 14:34:24

Good luck alwyn smile

alwyn Sat 09-Jun-12 14:43:45

Thanks newbie!

Newbie2 Sat 09-Jun-12 14:44:15

Has anyone used ov sticks for a full cycle and had nothing show up? So frustrating!

Maclairey Sat 09-Jun-12 15:08:44

Afternoon all, must say my garden looks quite pretty now.

Sadly Alwyn I am still on the longest cycle known to man. 49 days and counting. Clearly my body has forgotten what to do. I hope the rest of you on your first cycle after the pill have more luck than me.

Newbie2 Sat 09-Jun-12 15:17:51

Maclairey - aww that sounds like a really long wait. sad Have you managed to work out your OV days yet? I'll keep my fx crossed for you!

EchoDragon Sat 09-Jun-12 15:26:20

kick my virtual test was of course positive!

Actually I think I hold the record for the longest cycle ever. 51 days and counting. Sorry to steal your thunder Alwyn.

Maclairey Sat 09-Jun-12 15:31:07

Hi Newbie

No I haven't. I thought I would just take the relaxed approach for the first cycle. I guess I didnt really expect it to be this long. I dont remember my cycles before the pill either do that doesn't help. I have had the occasional twinge but not much of anything else. I don't know whether I have ovulated or not sad It's the not knowing what's going on that's bothering me. If EDTD just turned up then at least I could start with the CBFM and try and pinpoint ovulation (if any).

I am beginning to think that maybe I have "missed" my first period because my body is still trying to figure what to do. Maybe the build up of hormones caused my body not to remember to ovulate and that's what I am waiting for. Who knows, it's a guessing game really.

Frustrating though.

Maclairey Sat 09-Jun-12 15:32:45

Hey Echo you are 2 days ahead of me. Are you frustrated as well?

NicolaHazel Sat 09-Jun-12 15:51:26

Sounds like there's a few of us first cyclers :-)

I've had loads of twinges / pain since coming off contraception. Not sure if that's good or bad?! :-/

I'm curious as to what my body will do next. Physically feeling quite pre-menstrual today. Hmmm!

Oh I hope that all of your bodies settle down after pill/injection soon so you all get more of an idea of your cycles. Won't be too long hopefully smile

I just got a digital test and tested -BFP!!!! I can't believe it! I'm in shock, DH is walking around with a soppy smile on his face. Today is the best day ever!! grin

NicolaHazel Sat 09-Jun-12 16:13:17

I am SO pleased for you Queen! Did it give you how much, or just a yes? :-)

EchoDragon Sat 09-Jun-12 16:16:55

Alwyn i'm so frustrated. But didn't expect things to just get back to normal. I did miss periods when using contraception and did have the odd long cycle. I know there us no more real point testing as body is getting back to normal.

Nicola like you said have felt twinges and stuff so things seem to be getting back to normal.

I just want AF so I can have a proper first cycle totally contraceptive free. I want a baby of my own! I reserve the right to stripe until I get one!

Would have gone mad without all you lovely ladies tho.

EchoDragon Sat 09-Jun-12 16:18:01

Damn you autocorrect meant strop.

DulcetMoans Sat 09-Jun-12 16:21:55

Congrats Queen! What a productive thread this has been!

nicola it just said 'pregnant', wasn't the type with a conception indicator. I want one of those now though, can't seem to satisfy my poas addiction grin

thank you dulcet!

NicolaHazel Sat 09-Jun-12 16:24:25

I don't want AF, I want a first month baby like my mum managed both times!

Doubt it will happen though as she hadn't had 17.5 years of contraception prior!

Maclairey Sat 09-Jun-12 16:27:00

Many congrats Queen so pleased for you.

I know how you feel Nicola. My mum fell pregnant on the pill....3 times!!

Pinkie29 Sat 09-Jun-12 16:31:26

Queen gringringringrin

Congrats!!! xx

NicolaHazel Sat 09-Jun-12 16:31:26

Bloody hell, Maclairey, that's amazing! Clearly not her type of contraception!

Queen...send DH out for another test! What cycle number was this?

Are these threads the most productive ever?!

EchoDragon Sat 09-Jun-12 16:31:51

gringringringringrin Queen I'm so pleased for you. Have you had any symptoms yet?

Another BFP this thread is the place to stick around.

Oh you never know nicola - either way I bet it won't be long for you.

Thanks maclairey smile

As fate would have it I've got a new and unused box of pregnacare conception tablets that I was going to start on next week along with some cheapo ov tests. First to say they want them can have them smile

NicolaHazel Sat 09-Jun-12 16:33:49

Yes please Queen!

NicolaHazel Sat 09-Jun-12 16:34:54

And I hope so, but reading all your stories makes me far more cautious and pessimistic than I was. :-/

thank you echo grin I guess they must be symptoms now as the test has confirmed it grin so sore boobs, tired, hungry, a bit emotional (cried in work yesterday for no reason whatsoever, think somebody spoke to me in a slightly 'mean' way or something! So unlike me though, I hardly ever cry!), can't really think of anything else at the moment. I guess all of those symptoms could have been pre-af ones as well though, except I'm usually more moody than emotional pre-af haha!

no problem nicola, inbox me your address and I'll send them out to you smile

Maclairey Sat 09-Jun-12 16:38:00

It definitely seems to be a productive thread I am certainly sticking around.

I know Nicola that's what I thought, it does make me wonder that in 10+ years I have never had an "accident". I start stressing that maybe I am infertile.

Queen how many cycles are you? Were you on the pill before?

Popinda Sat 09-Jun-12 16:54:58

Congratulations queen! gringringrin so happy for you!!! You still can use your preconception pregnant care tablets. Its says on the packet that you can keep using them even when you get pg. the vitamins content is very similar as in already pregnant ones, if you want the ones with omega 3, fish oil, just buy it separately as it is much much cheaper. Believe me, I have spent hours in boots comparing all the different pregnancy vitamins and possible combinations. grin obviously got too much time on my hands! grin

maclairey I haven't been on the pill for years so had regular cycles for a long time now. Having said that it still took us over a year to conceive! Got there in the end though as will all of you ladies.

Thanks pop smile Its the conception vitamins I've got not the pregnant ones, I hadn't started taking them yet so won't bother starting, will either just carry on with the folic acid or might buy pregnant vitamins.

Pinkie29 Sat 09-Jun-12 17:47:49

I've added my pics queen, not that you need to compare now grin

alwyn Sat 09-Jun-12 17:59:31

I'm just taking the folic acid at the moment. I have a fairly balanced diet with lots of leafy greens anyway, so guess I'm getting most of what I need from that. Might change my mind it it starts to take ages though grin

pinkie it won't let me click on your name, have you made your profile public?

Popinda Sat 09-Jun-12 18:28:12

Queen - sorry I did mean the conception vitamin, you still can take them even if you pregnant. the are almost the same as the pregnant ones, I have compared them all. smile just buy a omega 3 fish oil separately and it will be the same. In fact it would be exactly the same as if you were going to buy the most expensive pregnant care max pills. they are like £20 for a month supply. combination of your conception pills and omega 3 pills you will get the same effect, just much cheaper. In fact I just compared them again online and the conception ones have higher dosage of some vitamins. Its up to you, this is just a suggestion, but I would def do it that way otherwise I would bankrupt before I even have a baby. grin

DulcetMoans Sat 09-Jun-12 18:42:34

I like coming in to happy messages, yay! This is a happy place. Hope it continues that way.

Don't give up hope Nicola, it's only the start of the month. Even if it wasnt this cycle, the next one isn't far behind.

KickTheGuru Sat 09-Jun-12 18:42:58

Queenie - am thrilled for you. Have a little happiness tear running down me ugly mug when you posted about the digital test and your DH walking around with a soppy smile.

Am really, really happy for you mate. Can't tell you mate: ) xxx

NicolaHazel Sat 09-Jun-12 18:55:07

Oh, I haven't given up hope, Dulcet, I'm just very impatient and have a hugely fertile family!

I have no right to be upset yet as first cycle is rare for anyone. I'd just rather not have the constant aches and pains I'm getting!

Maclairey Sat 09-Jun-12 19:00:26

Right DH has gone out so I plan to order a pizza, have a glass of wine and have control of the tv. No football yay!!! Think I even have an episode or 2 of one born every minute that I havent watched yet.

Oh dear, the things that make me happy these days smile

Aww thank you so much kick smile I really hope you get your BFP soon, can't tell you how much you deserve it.

maclairey my DH has had to go out too on a pre-arranged night with the lads (so no celebrating for us I'm afraid) - so my night in will be similar to yours, minus the wine! But do you know what, I can't think of anything I'd rather do more! grin

DulcetMoans Sat 09-Jun-12 19:20:53

Aw, I understand Nicola but I think what I am learning here is this TTC malaky is all about patience. It is disappointing but then you can just be hopeful for next month.

Wish I had a football free evening ladies. Instead I have managed to get DP to wash up in between matches but I will have to listen to the cheers and sighs for the next few weeks!

KickTheGuru Sat 09-Jun-12 19:23:51

Queenie - look at baby goodies online grin

redstrawberry Sat 09-Jun-12 19:41:21

Congrats again Queen it must be a fab day for you smile
I'm really really happy for you...glad you are sticking around longer.

nicola my mum was very fertile too - first month both times. Just wish some of her luck rubs off on me soon

Pinkie29 Sat 09-Jun-12 19:45:11

Sorted now queenie!

Big hugs to you ladies having a hard time today <hugs> try and stay positive it WILL happen

Popinda Sat 09-Jun-12 19:59:40

Pinkie - just looked at your profile to checked on your bfp and I must say you did enough tests to make sure it's positive! So exciting! gringrin you could share some of them with us. grin

DulcetMoans Sat 09-Jun-12 20:04:48

Pregnant ladies - asda has some juices that are cocktails without the alcohol at the moment. Im currently drinking a strawberry daiquiri, it's pretty tasty! If you fancy something different that feels naughty over the 9 mnths then it could be a option.

That's the best tip I can offer! Haha.

MissMedusa Sat 09-Jun-12 20:21:27

Congrats Queen!

MissMedusa Sat 09-Jun-12 20:24:10

In other (fascinating tmi) news this this is my first month using Evening Primrose and my preliminary report is lots of goop. No EWCM as of yet but it's too early for that (CD10) but lots of goop nonetheless.

alwyn Sat 09-Jun-12 20:26:58

All information is worth having medusa!!

DulcetMoans Sat 09-Jun-12 20:30:38

I know you aren't supposed to read the test after a certain period of time but just seen it in the bin with a faint line on it. Defo wasn't there this morning. Why would it change? Trying not to think about it but have to ask!

KickTheGuru Sat 09-Jun-12 20:30:57

My DH said he noticed lots more cm

good to help the swimmers get up there if your DTD lots

Popinda Sat 09-Jun-12 20:43:58

Is evening primrose supposed to enhanced your fertility? Sorry if silly question, but have no idea what evening primrose is for and some other things that you ladies mentioned way back. blush

Maclairey Sat 09-Jun-12 21:10:31

Ah Queen it's a shame that you cant celebrate with DH tonight but I would be doing exactly as kick suggested, online "research" for baby goodies.

Just watched the last episode of OBEM from the most recent season and then the what happens next episode. Feeling suitably broody now. Mind you I do love that program and could quite happily watch it all evening. But as I have run out I am now watching Gavin & Stacey re-runs.

Maclairey Sat 09-Jun-12 21:14:19

Popinda I think EPO is supposed to increase EWCM. I haven't tried it but I think you are meant to take it from cd1 until ovulation. I don't think it actually increases fertility though.

I am wondering whether i should take anything next cycle. I am a bit worried about having 50+ day cycles all the time. Was contemplating Agnus Castus but can't seem to find much info about it except that it works really well for some and makes things worse for others.

Popinda Sat 09-Jun-12 21:18:18

Maclairey - thanks. I think Pinkie was taking something to shorten her cycles. Ask her.

KickTheGuru Sat 09-Jun-12 21:20:54

EPO just increases cm. Which helps sperm swim up and acts like ewcm.

It works because we have totally experienced it smile

KickTheGuru Sat 09-Jun-12 21:21:49

Vitex shortens your cycles smile

alwyn Sat 09-Jun-12 21:22:40

As in, it definitely increases cm smile

KickTheGuru Sat 09-Jun-12 21:23:03

Which is the same as that angus stuff

Pinkie29 Sat 09-Jun-12 21:23:43

Pop I've done loads more I still can't believe it smile

Maclairey I took 3000mg epo and 2000mg Vitex up to ovulation this cycle. The vitex works to regulate the cycle somehow? Just google Vitex or Angus Castus and you'll get plenty of info. This was the first time I'd used it and my smiley appeared on cd16 it was cd28 the month before and my cycles have varied from 34 - 56 in the past

Maclairey Sat 09-Jun-12 21:43:07

Thanks Pinkie that's really helpful. I am just a bit worried because I don't know when I ovulate. I was planning on using the CBFM next month to try and pinpoint ovulation but I am not sure that will definitely work. I am also not sure whether to try and let things sort themselves out naturally for a couple of months. So many things to think about but I don't think I can handle another cycle as long as this one has been.

Pinkie did you use vitex and EPO straight away after coming off the pill?

alwayshopeful13 Sat 09-Jun-12 21:49:26

Hello everyone,

Can I join? I'm new to Mumsnet - just joined this evening having realised it's a a pretty good source of sanity, support and advice when ttc. I guess I'm after a bit of friendly advice about whether there's anything we can try to help our ttc chances.....

We had a mmc at 11 weeks in December 2011 (got pregnant on the 2nd month of trying) and here after 6 months trying and no joy. I know 6 months isn't dire straits (I'm 33 DH 30) but it happened quickly first time so we thought (naively so it seems) that it would be the straightforward enough next time. We've been doing all the obvious things - good diet, lots of exercise, no booze, and lots of you-know-what obv, trying to time things against ov signs and sensible eh (TMI) positions etc. But no joy. It is v frustrating as lots of you know. The monthly game of raised and dashed hopes is so hard, especially when we're trying to talk ourselves into the whole "it will happen when it's right, mother nature will have her way, actually no....for g* sake why doesn't it happen NOW!!"

I've heard mention of a test called AMH - maybe that's something we should look into. I know we're not at the stage where the doc is likely to take us seriously about "having problems conceiving" as it's only 6 months, but if there is an underlying problem, I'd rather know now. And if going private rather than NHS means we'd get tests sooner we probably would. Welcome any thoughts on what we could do... Thank you xxx

alwyn Sat 09-Jun-12 21:52:35

Welcome hopeful!

alwayshopeful13 Sat 09-Jun-12 21:53:47

Thank you alwyn! This seems like a v friendly place :-)

alwyn Sat 09-Jun-12 21:55:18

I'm scared of the rest of MN, TBH!

Maclairey Sat 09-Jun-12 22:00:16

Welcome Hopeful

Can't offer you any advice I am afraid as we are only on our first extremely long and tedious cycle of ttc.

I would say though if it will make you feel better and you are in a position to do it then go and have a fertility mot at a private clinic. I am sorry for your loss but at least you know that you can conceive so maybe try opks or look into a CBFM to pinpoint your peak fertility days.

Good luck to you.

alwayshopeful13 Sat 09-Jun-12 22:08:12

Alwyn - agree with MN does seem like a massive deal such a huge network of info and people but so much useful stuff on here (even if lots of it isn't yet - sadly - relevant to me, but hopefully will be soon!)

Maclairey - your words are so wise, thank you x We're sort of concluding we're better off getting on with the fertility mot even if it brings less than great news....better to know and deal with it. Good luck with your own ttc efforts....sure it will all come good before long, all going well ;-)

Popinda Sat 09-Jun-12 22:18:36

Welcome hopeful! It seems that you are doing all the right things and obviously you can conceive so you shouldn't be worried about your fertility too much. It is just taking longer than you thought. I know this is not much helpful in terms what you should do, but just wanted to say that we are all here (well almost all, some of the lucky ones got BFPs this monthsmile) in the same boat. smile waiting for that second line to appear on hpt. smile

Popinda Sat 09-Jun-12 22:20:36

dulcet just do another test to see if the line will appear again. smile good luck and fx! When is your af due?

Popinda Sat 09-Jun-12 22:22:35

hopeful forgot to say that mn and especially this thread is very addictive. gringrin

Welcome always smile

pinkie I'm posting from my phone at the mo so can't check your photos just yet but will do in the morning after I've tested again (when will this lose it's novelty?!)

kick maclairy I do love browsing baby things online grin but I've done loads of this over the last year or so of ttc, it feels weird now that it's happening! I'm sat here in a bit of a daze tbh.

Pinkie29 Sat 09-Jun-12 22:25:30

Welcome alwayshopeful I echo what Maclairey says if it will make you feel better get the mot smile

Maclairey - no I only started it this cycle, because my cycles were averaging 6 weeks it would have only gave us 8 chances a year at ttc, we somehow managed it cycle 4 but that took 6 months (felt like forever!) I took the epo due to lack of ewcm but believe it also helped greatly with pmt, they say you shod stop epo after ov as it can/might cause small contractions in the uterus which obv you don't want whilst ttc! I can't remember what the reason for stopping vitex was as there was conflicting info some said carry on others said stop so I just chose to stop.

You could try ov sticks? I think I've been a bit luckier than some catching my lh surge, this month was extremely lucky I got the smiley, cramps and ewcm all within 10hrs! We used conceive plus and put an instead cup in after then winkled/pinkled for a loooong time (it wasn't as regimented as it sounds honest!!)

alwayshopeful13 Sat 09-Jun-12 22:26:48

Thanks Popinda :-) I have 4 days ish (cycle all awry since mc so never totally sure of dates since) and then I can do a HPT again so totally with you in waiting for the second line. Fingers crossed :-)

Pinkie29 Sat 09-Jun-12 22:27:10

Queen I wish I knew I've tested everyday!! This morning the second line appeared straight away even before the control line! When we run out if sticks?!

alwayshopeful13 Sat 09-Jun-12 22:50:07

Pinkie and Maclairey - I know this is a basic question so apols but is there a technical term the experts use for the old "fertility mot"? Like is there something specific I should be asking for or if I go to my GP and ask them to refer me to a consultant or gynae (is that how it works?!) will they just offer some standard tests? Sorry long question....if the answer isn't straightforward ignore me!

Popinda Sat 09-Jun-12 22:53:36

Just researched epo and def getting one tomorrow! Thanks for the tip! smile

Pinkie29 Sat 09-Jun-12 23:04:54

Always - because I'd never been pregnant and had so many symptoms for pcos I went to my gp (turned on the water works male gp works every-time) and they referred me for a scan and said after that if there were any issues it would be blood tests

You could maybe tell him you want to check everything is in working order after your mmc as you've been ttc since with no luck? Sorry to hear about that btw must have been a very tough time for you both sad

My dp went to his gp and exaggerated that we'd been trying over a year with no luck and he's tried in a previous relationship so he referred him to the hospital to give a sample, just saves you a lot of money if you can get referred by your gp instead of going private, have i made any sense at all there?

alwayshopeful13 Sat 09-Jun-12 23:07:08

Pinkie - you make so much sense....totally get your meaning! Like your thinking :-) Thanks so much. Will let you all know how we get on x

Pinkie29 Sat 09-Jun-12 23:09:38

Lol thank you, I'm convinced I have baby brain already tho! Wish you the best of luck smile

alwayshopeful13 Sat 09-Jun-12 23:11:55

PS Pinkie - thanks for your kind words re mmc. It's a cliche but in some ways it's made us stronger than we were though I don't feel like that every month when I get the bfn and feel like all the world's against us. Hey ho. Onwards and upwards to us all!

EchoDragon Sat 09-Jun-12 23:18:09

I always look at baby stuff online. I even have a short list of prams for when I need one.

Hi hopeful welcome. Just to warn you you will end up with an addiction to peeing on sticks. Be it pg or ov.

alwyn Sat 09-Jun-12 23:20:47

My short list of prams is very short. Like, um, one.

And totally chosen on a style point rather than a safety one. Should I be having children???

KickTheGuru Sat 09-Jun-12 23:23:58

I have the prams shortlist too smile

Welcome hopeful. Head to the no symptoms. No Google. No sticks" thread . Trust me it will keep you sane.

Queen and pink - any symptoms yet? grin

alwayshopeful13 Sat 09-Jun-12 23:46:20

Echo - you're so right about the poas addiction. It's been driving me crazy (the wondering and constant overanalysing "oh but it was probably neg because of X or Y, maybe if I wait another day etc etc") - and this probably why the thread kicktheguru suggests sounds so appealing....see you there guru!

kick symptoms!! Its completely mad that thats what they are now!! Very sore and swollen boobs, very tired, feel quite emotional, hungry a lot, thats about it for now though.

What are all the prams you ladies like? I love talking baby stuff. I've had my eye on an icandy pram for a while now smile

pinkie I still have about 15 tests left! This is going to go on for a while I reckon! But looking forward to getting strong lines on the cheapies!

alwyn Sun 10-Jun-12 00:56:03

I want a silver cross one. Have done since being a little girl!

Newbie2 Sun 10-Jun-12 04:21:48

I'm feeling really down this weekend. Three good friends have announced their pregnancies and I should be over the moon (I am) but I am finding it very difficult. I'm starting to feel really stressed and scared that it won't happen so quickly for me as it did for them as my body is showing no signs of returning back to normal post pill. I'm no longer feeling bloated or craving sugary foods like I did last week and my hay fever is so bad I would happily eat a whole pack of packets without worrying because I know I'm not pregnant regardless of what my doctor suggested and on top of it im feeling really tender down there after all the DTD lately and my TTC journey has only just begun sad Sorry to have a big moan but I'm hoping writing it down helps as I've got to some how snap out of it!!!

Newbie2 Sun 10-Jun-12 04:45:59

Just worked out with the help of due date calculator that one of my friends is not being honest when she said that she fell pregnant straight away from coming off the pill because it actually took her 4 months. A relief to know that I'm not that abnormal after all! I know what you're thinking I'm obsessed and insane to beat myself up in cycle's just so easy to stress!!

EchoDragon Sun 10-Jun-12 05:52:18

Aww sorry to hear your feeling down Newbie. TTC is a hugely emotional rollercoaster. I find myself almost in tears sometimes over such silly things this week. Last week I could have cried at my BFN.

We're all in the same boat and are here to hold your hands, offer virtual tissues, chocolate and wine as appropriate. I have several pg friends at the moment. Seems like everyone is pg esp when we're all so desperate for our BFP. Don't be too hard on yourself. When we have our BFP's we'll wonder what all the fuss was about.

EchoDragon Sun 10-Jun-12 05:58:08

Hmm peak wise I love the Icandy, Silver Cross surfer and the ABC. My friend had the ABC I like it cause her 2 end a half year old is still comfy in it. But I just love the Icandy peach it's lush. Seems a lot of people find it too small for a toddler tho. If I fork out that much I want a pram
useable for several years by dragon jnr.

Mr dragon will probably put his foot down at spending so much tho.

EchoDragon Sun 10-Jun-12 05:59:00

Ugh obvs meant pram not peak.

Pinkie29 Sun 10-Jun-12 08:21:14

Hmm I'd say my only symptoms are sore and bigger boobs, raging hunger feeling lethargic a lot and waking up at 05:30 everyday!! Also finding it difficult to nod off! I felt slightly queasy a couple of times yesterday but it went very quickly, other than that just slight cramps and backache

Pinkie29 Sun 10-Jun-12 08:22:16

Oh and I want a Silvercross! Tho dp isn't impressed and they aren't 'built for the modern world' haha

KickTheGuru Sun 10-Jun-12 08:32:15

"only" symptoms?

My hayfever gets worse in the morning. I have had jelly and now sucking on an ice lolly. Jelly is where its at!!

Munching antihistamines and hating all the blood in my nose. Tired and nauseous if i try eat anything remotely dry. Nearly vomited into our bowl of fruit smoothie juice last night.

And no. I am not pregnant. So says internet cheapie i did this morning

Pinkie29 Sun 10-Jun-12 08:42:31

Are they symptoms?!

KickTheGuru Sun 10-Jun-12 08:46:56

Of severe allergic reaction, yes

My heart rate is scaring me

KickTheGuru Sun 10-Jun-12 08:47:35

I meant to put in a smiley face grin

Popinda Sun 10-Jun-12 09:13:57

Re pram: I want Phill and ted one as it can be a double too, save you buying new one, when you have your second dc! grin also they big enough for toddler, even I wouldn't put older kid than 2 and a bit in buggy. gringrin and they are very comfy for child, easy to push and fit on the bus. Only thing is that they take up all you boot in the car and are a bit bulky, but very safe! gringrin

NicolaHazel Sun 10-Jun-12 09:19:25

I've not considered prams yet...think I'll save that!

Queen, did you get my PM? Wasn't sure it worked!

Popinda Sun 10-Jun-12 09:43:32

newbie I'm sorry to hear that you feeling down! I think we all have these days! Hope you better today! smile have some biscuit to make you feel better. smile
A just been looking through my last month chart and can't understand why I did not get pg!sad We dtd a lot especially around what I thought was my ov! sad I'm really worried now! sad

I'm liking the look of the icandy strawberry pram. It looks nice and seems like it would fold up quite small to fit in the boot of my car. I can't wait to go pram testing with my mum (when I finally tell her - too scared to at the mo! blush)

nicola sorry yes I did get your PM, will reply to it later with my details as posting from my phone at the mo and not sure if you can get onto PMs from the Talk app. I'll drop that stuff at the post office for you if I can get there in time after work this week, if not then will do it Saturday morning if thats ok with you?

oh pinkie forgot to say, I did manage to have a quick look at your testing photos late on last night, love them grin I've tested again this morning and the line is still there but no darker than yesterday yet. If I hadn't done the digital I probably still wouldn't believe it confused

NicolaHazel Sun 10-Jun-12 09:50:02

Awww...*Newbie*, sorry you're so down. :-(

The problem with TTC is that we are all so desperate keen to be mums that we want it to happen NOW. And the odds say it won't.

Then there is the totally natural feeling of jealousy at other people. We ALL feel it and all understand what you mean.

All we can do is keep DTD and supporting each other until we see that second line. (Hugs.)

NicolaHazel Sun 10-Jun-12 09:52:34

Hi Queen :-)

Any time, don't worry about it...only if it's not taking you out of your way.

I love how we all spend time on here on our phones...sneaky!

pop sometimes you can dtd around ov but still just be unlucky, I was unlucky for over a year! but by dtd often right the way through the month you are maximising your chances of there being swimmers there to meet the egg at the right time. What I'm trying to say is don't be worried, it was your first month trying so would have been really lucky to conceive straight away. FX that you get your BFP soon smile

Pinkie29 Sun 10-Jun-12 09:52:37

Crikey guru take it easy! Docs for you maybe??

No not at all nicola there is a post office just around the corner from me, its just catching it in time after work smile

Yep, love a bit of sneaky MNing grin

Newbie2 Sun 10-Jun-12 10:14:00

Thank you Echo, Popinda and Nicola for your kind words. It is comforting to know I'm not alone and my feelings are normal. I'm coming to grips with the realities of TTC today and feel more excepting that I have to give it time.

Oh I started using Conceive Plus lub yesterday. For anyone thinking about buying it I would recommend and DH likes it. It also claims to make the wiggly ones have a nicer environment to swim in due to the calcium'll have to look it up for the correct science behind it!

KickTheGuru Sun 10-Jun-12 10:15:00

Went to the doc on Friday and she ordered all the tests.

Didn't seem too concerned and she picked up the tachycardia and hand tremors...

Newbie2 Sun 10-Jun-12 10:20:17

Kick Sorry your feeling so poorly. Sounds like you're having a t

Newbie2 Sun 10-Jun-12 10:28:26

Oops sorry I pressed send to quickly Kick...sounds like you're having a tough time and hopefully the results of your tests come around quickly to put your mind at ease x

KickTheGuru Sun 10-Jun-12 10:32:54

Thanks newbie. Apparently its hard to pick up thyroid problems when pregnant and since the tests have to be done on cd 2, i guess it means something is telling me its yet another month of bfn

Popinda Sun 10-Jun-12 10:33:40

queen - thanks for your support! The reasonable part of me know all that, but the other me wants me to get pg strait away and no explanation is good enough!! sad

Popinda Sun 10-Jun-12 10:41:13

newbie I'm going to try conceive plus next month if I get bfn this month. Pinkie already recommended so def want to try now everyone saying its good. Also going to buy epo today! With all this additional help for the swimmers to get where they suppose to get, I'll be so fertile I end up having triplets! gringrin like that thought! grin The things we do to conceive. wink hmm

Popinda Sun 10-Jun-12 10:42:27

Forgot to ask, where did you get it from? Mean the conceive plus.

Newbie2 Sun 10-Jun-12 10:45:16

Queen I'm glad to hear you say that point of DTD often and right the way through the cycle but I can't get my head around why 'they' say try every other day during the whole cycle because I didn't think you could ovulate more then once or twice. I am guessing it's a good theory for people who don't know when they ovulate like me? I feel like I missed this part out in biology smile

Newbie2 Sun 10-Jun-12 10:50:23

Popinda I have to admit I got desperate yesterday and paid full price in Boots sad Buy it from Amazon as its a few pounds cheaper. I brought the tube rather then the applicators so that DH could use it too. The applicators you put in 15mins before DTD. I say 'applicator' but it's just a syringe type looking thing that helps you put the lub in internally.

Yes I'm also going to buy some EPO smile

newbie - kick will be able to give you a better answer than I can, but basically OV differs for everyone plus when you get that smiley on your OV stick it can still be several days before you release the egg. Having sex regularly all month means that theres always going to be swimmers there waiting no matter when the egg is released. Also if you usually OV at say day 14, things like stress can push OV back, so if you stop dtd too early you can miss it altogether. The best thing to do is keep shagging all month just in case! I think the every other day thing is so the swimmers get chance to recoup in between. Hope this helps smile

NicolaHazel Sun 10-Jun-12 11:01:51

We DTD regularly, but with the best will in the world it won't be every other day! Too tired from work :-(

Hoping twice at the weekend and once mid week will keep me topped up enough, as that's normal for us. Though we missed yesterday, so went from CD17 to CD20. Hope that hasn't screwed things up :-/

Popinda Sun 10-Jun-12 11:16:27

newbie , pinkie which fertility cream did you get? Conceive plus or pre-seed fertility? Just went on amazon and found thus 2 so a bit confused now. confused

Newbie2 Sun 10-Jun-12 11:16:56

Queen that does help thank you. Newbie don't worry I'm not managing every other day either so I think that's quite normal. We can only do what we can do. No point us stressing about that too smile

Newbie2 Sun 10-Jun-12 11:40:25

Pop Conceive plus ;)

Newbie2 Sun 10-Jun-12 11:42:41

Hah I'm loosing the plot! That message above was meant for Nicola...not myself dah!

NicolaHazel Sun 10-Jun-12 12:05:23

Ha ha Newbie, that is true.

We generally DTD quite regularly, so I suppose we shouldn't really have to up our game too much as I should almost always have a few lurking swimmers if nothing else.

But, I do want to make sure I give us the best chance to conceive too.

No stressing should be our mantra. 'Key ring. Key ring. Key ring!'

Pinkie29 Sun 10-Jun-12 12:24:40

I used conceive plus bought it in boots for about £11 was cheaper than amazon and eBay at the time

Newbie2 Sun 10-Jun-12 13:19:38

Pinkie Did you use the applicator version? I think that was £11 and the tube was £15

Pinkie29 Sun 10-Jun-12 13:51:22

Yeah I wasn't keen in the idea of the syringe so opted for the one use applicators think you get 8 in a pack

Maclairey Sun 10-Jun-12 14:55:18

So i have just bought some EPO and some starflower oil. Not sure how much of each I should take? Also, if I am not sure on when I ovulate should I just take it cd1-10 or something? That is of course if AF EVER TURNS UP!!!

redstrawberry Sun 10-Jun-12 14:59:05

I have bought some EPO too smile
I might get Conceive plus seeing all the posts on here. If it doesn't work out this month I want to give it the best chance next month.

Nicola and Newbie same here - working long hours, DH away from home, busy weekends = no chance of EOD sex. Just hoping the infrequent humpage leaves some surviving swimmers in place.

I am actually doing well this month with the ttc malarkey. Haven't thought about being pregnant for at least 7 hours hmm then I found my link to MN smile

alwyn Sun 10-Jun-12 14:59:06

What does starflower oil do?

Maclairey Sun 10-Jun-12 15:09:20

I think starflower oil is also good for hormone balancing and also for PMS. I am pretty sure that after a 50+ day cycle the PMS is going to be horrific.

Having said that though I can't start taking it yet so who knows. I may even be spouting a load of rubbish.

Feeling very weird today, a bit spaced out and not altogether with it.

Newbie2 Sun 10-Jun-12 15:09:40

Red your post made me laugh... It's a real challenge not to think about pregnancy now! I distracted myself by cleaning and managed 20mins until I found the book 'pregnancy for dummies' that my sister passed onto me many moons ago.

I think I'm going to start using EPO whenever AF turns up too.

alwyn Sun 10-Jun-12 15:11:57

I've just seen that starflower oil and EPO are v similar. Will consider them if this cycle is a no-go.

Newbie2 Sun 10-Jun-12 19:32:15

After saying I have no pms this morning Ive had a weird tightening sensation in my stomach all day confused It feels like have been doing too many sit ups and my stomach is sore when I poke it. I hope this isn't the first signs of a very bad AF on its way sad

NicolaHazel Sun 10-Jun-12 19:37:37

I've had shocking stomach / lady part pain almost all month, Newbie...not sure why, but I'm heartily sick of it now. :-/

Newbie2 Sun 10-Jun-12 19:42:35

Nicola is this the wakening of our ovaries! I did another OV test tonight incase the pain was linked to that...but still nothing hmm

alwyn Sun 10-Jun-12 19:42:57

Does anyone get - ahem - excess wind as a sign of OV?

Newbie2 Sun 10-Jun-12 20:38:13

alwyn not sure. FX someone on here has a better answer for you!

NicolaHazel Sun 10-Jun-12 20:40:47

I have no idea, Newbie, but I hope that's what it is! Will be worth the pain if so.

I suppose suppressing ovulation for 17.5 years will lead to some pain on awakening! :-(

nicola I've had stomach pains and pain ahem, down there most of today too so defo hormone related methinks! smile

Sorry alwyn can't help with that one I'm afraid! grin

NicolaHazel Sun 10-Jun-12 22:35:26

Being a woman seems to come with more than its fair share of aches and pains.

Hormones have A LOT to answer for! :-/

Popinda Sun 10-Jun-12 23:02:30

Nicola - I agree! So not fair! smile
Talking about ov pain, I think I am ov and we dtd tonight so being very hopeful. gringrin fx
I got a bit of question blush how stretchy are male swimmers? blushblushblush is it like ewcm?

Newbie2 Sun 10-Jun-12 23:07:45

I have now taken 1 paracetamol as I'm pretty convinced these are pms pains! Sods law AF will arrive tmz when my CBFM doesn't arrive from Amazon until Thursday...stamping feet!

NicolaHazel Sun 10-Jun-12 23:11:11

Where in your cycle are you, Newbie?

Newbie2 Mon 11-Jun-12 06:24:53

Nicola Cd 29

NicolaHazel Mon 11-Jun-12 06:32:40

Ah, maybe then. CD21 for me, but pain all the way through :-(

Newbie2 Mon 11-Jun-12 06:38:15

Strange. The pains only started for me yesterday.

NicolaHazel Mon 11-Jun-12 06:58:08

Tell me about it! They vary a bit, alternating between specific ovary pain and a generalised dull ache, but they've been ever present since about CD9 (so I got a few days' grace after bad AF cramps!).

Newbie2 Mon 11-Jun-12 07:13:22

I can only think that it's good signs and means you're now wide awake! Which is where you want to be! Hang in there smile

Newbie2 Mon 11-Jun-12 07:14:38

Although saying that if it gets too much maybe book a Gp appt?

NicolaHazel Mon 11-Jun-12 07:21:25

I hope you're right!

And it isn't unbearable, just annoying really. But I will do, definitely.

Newbie2 Mon 11-Jun-12 08:21:54

Cramps have returned but still no sign of AF hmm

redstrawberry Mon 11-Jun-12 09:03:00

Newbie when was AF due?

Alwyn ahem...yes excess wind and bloating are flagged on my app on the last few days of EWCM, which I guess is the end of OV.

TMI alert blush

CM seems to have dried up and turned sticky....which I guess means the end of OV for me. I think this month if I was to go by CM behavior I OV very early in my cycle - between CD10 and CD12. This means the previous month I had wrongly assumed I OV mid to late in my cycle.

DTD on fri and sun....but missed the whole week during OV sad

NicolaHazel Mon 11-Jun-12 09:25:41

Hmmm...right ovary pain and more EWCM today.

What IS my body up to?!

Newbie2 Mon 11-Jun-12 09:44:09

Red I'm not sure because this is my first cycle.
Lots of times people say they were out on OV judgement so fx you've still caught it?! There might be a small glimmer of hope x

Newbie That's sounds like ovo signs!? Have you got a OV stick to test it out?

Newbie2 Mon 11-Jun-12 09:45:41

Oh I've done it again. I meant Nicola

Newbie2 Mon 11-Jun-12 09:46:35

red what phone app are you using?

NicolaHazel Mon 11-Jun-12 09:55:51

Ha ha...never mind Newbie.

Thing is, I already had this on CD9! And you can't ovulate twice in one cycle, so god knows what's going on!

No sticks yet though as I thought it wasn't worth it on month one post-pill.

redstrawberry Mon 11-Jun-12 10:21:47

What CD are you on today nicola? EWCM doesn't necessarily mean OV. It just means you are very fertile during these days. EWCM helps the soldiers swim and survive.

I try to predict OV when my CM dries up - as in you are meant to dry up after OV and thats just what's happened. I had very fertile EWCM for 5 days shock and now nothing - zilch. So I guess I OVed at some point towards the end of those 5 days.

newbie I am using Period Tracker. I think there's Fertility Friend as well. But I have always used Period Tracker - its got friendly graphics.

Newbie2 Mon 11-Jun-12 10:23:52

Nicola very wise decision! I've spent too much on sticks as I didn't know you could get them so cheap on amazon! Also I didn't know that you could ovulate first two weeks of cycle so I only started testing on day 14...dumb dumb me smile

Nicola I've got a load of spare ov sticks which I'll send to you with the pregnacare tabs.

newbie there's a free app called iperiod that I used to track cycles, you can add as much or as little info as you like.

red just because you had the ewcm you may have released the egg 24hrs or more later so you may have still caught it! Hope so smile

Popinda Mon 11-Jun-12 10:48:20

I don't think I ever had a proper ewcm! I only seem to have only dry discharge! Hope this doesn't mean I don't ov! But I do get, what I think are ov pains!
I went to shop and got epo now! Hope that's going to help with ewcm! pinkie if I remember correctly you said you took 1000mg a day? But but on the box it say to take 3000mg a day? confused I am confused now and don't know what to do?!confused any suggestions? smile

NicolaHazel Mon 11-Jun-12 10:49:55

Hi Red, CD21.

Had exactly the same pain / EWCM CD9, left ovary!

DTD yesterday, so if fertile should catch it!

NicolaHazel Mon 11-Jun-12 10:50:33

Oh, and thanks, Queen. :-)

Pinkie29 Mon 11-Jun-12 10:54:03

pop I took 3000mg epo a day plus 2000mg Vitex

No problem nicola but hoping you won't need them wink

redstrawberry Mon 11-Jun-12 11:22:25

Pinkie did you start EPO on CD1 or after AF finishes?

Thanks queen trying to remain hopeful and positive smile
How you feeling today? More early PG symptoms?

Newbie2 Mon 11-Jun-12 11:31:40

Queen thanks for the tip. Oh the IPeriod app needs two AF dates so I'll have to hold off on that one.

I've downloaded Period Diary and it says that AF is due today and I OV on 25th May, 3 days before I started using sticks sad Atleaat I know what the cramps are about now!!

Newbie2 Mon 11-Jun-12 11:38:25

Does anyone know what would happen if I started using the CBFM 3 days late? I don't think it's going to turn up until Thursday sad

Popinda Mon 11-Jun-12 12:30:59

Thanks pinkie for some reason I thought that you were taking 1000 mg. my mistake. smile already had one so let's see what's happen. Should be ov around now. smile

Popinda Mon 11-Jun-12 12:35:23

red I just took my first epo tablet today. Cd15 for me, I'll take some tmr and day after tmr and then will stop untill my cd1 (hopefully that won't happen! smile)
I don't think it's matter when you start taking them as long as you don't take them after ov. That's my understanding. Be free to correct me if I'm mistaken. smile

Maclairey Mon 11-Jun-12 13:09:48

Newbie you can adjust the CBFM up to cd5 I think so you will be fine.

DulcetMoans Mon 11-Jun-12 13:21:20

Ouch, the ache today is like my body protesting at my decision to TTC. Stupid body! AF must be on her way. Got an appetite for destruction too! I don't think I have every been so aware of my ovaries as I am today. It's almost like they are on the outside of my body. Now that's weird!

Thanks for the TMI Red that actually helped me understand my own situation a bit more as I noticed the same this morning.

red I'm just tired and now have on/off nausea too. Boobs still sore also!

dulcet when is af due again?

Newbie2 Mon 11-Jun-12 13:30:16

Mclairey oooo that's good news.

Still no sign of AF!!!! Only 1 day late so not worth stressing but would like it to be over. Perhaps if I buy a preg test it will appear smile

DulcetMoans Mon 11-Jun-12 13:33:51

I wish I could remember my last one to work it out! I think it's this week though, or next week at the latest. I don't track the days though and this is first month of doing this so taking the relaxed approach. Obviously logging in here everyday might not be very relaxed but he doesn't know that bit! grin

NicolaHazel Mon 11-Jun-12 13:45:17

Dulcet, my ovaries have been like that since CD9!

Hopefully a good sign.

Maclairey Mon 11-Jun-12 14:05:00

Newbie hopefully you won't end up like me.

I am thinking I might get some Vitex tomorrow and take it with the EPO and starflower oil cd1 to 10 and see how I get on. I am figuring that it can't do any harm. It cant really get much worse!

DulcetMoans Mon 11-Jun-12 14:06:02

Thanks Nicola, That's good to know. It's like a small fire in my belly. Probably just more aware of it this month than previously. Are you due soon too?

Newbie2 Mon 11-Jun-12 14:29:33

Maclairey - oh no has AF not appeared? What CD are you on now?

NicolaHazel Mon 11-Jun-12 14:34:08

I have no idea, Dulcet. CD21 on first post-pill month. Taking it as it comes!

Maclairey Mon 11-Jun-12 15:16:39


Newbie2 Mon 11-Jun-12 15:23:42

As ridiculous as this sounds I think I may have a very bad case of wind and not Pms. I would really like to know now either way! Has Anyone else experienced really really bad wind problems when AF should have arrived or maybe at the same time as AF?

Newbie2 Mon 11-Jun-12 15:24:33

Mclairey I feel for you sad

Newbie2 Mon 11-Jun-12 17:01:52

Ok I know I'm being totally paranoid so early on but I've decided to take a test when i get home tonight. I've realised i only get cramps when I'm sitting down at the desk and as soon as I stand up they go. Also have really bad lower back pain and leaking watery stuff. Probably nothing but worth a test!

Popinda Mon 11-Jun-12 17:17:40

Good luck newbie you never know! grin

Newbie2 Mon 11-Jun-12 17:28:46

Thanks Pop!

Popinda Mon 11-Jun-12 17:30:46

Let's us know! grin

DulcetMoans Mon 11-Jun-12 18:54:44

How'd it go newbie? Did you get a chance to do it?

Newbie2 Mon 11-Jun-12 19:30:47

Just did cheapie wilkos test and nothing sad

So my symptoms are just AF being really cruel. I'm sure the cow will put an appearance in tomorrow angry

EchoDragon Mon 11-Jun-12 19:49:26

I am so over long cycles! maclairey maybe we could be cycle buddies. Cd53 and counting.

Although AF could well be due. As I seem to have a v bad case of PMT. Poor DH doesn't know what to do. I am going from super birch to crying over nothing to fine all in ten minutes. Not helped by having to cook dinner as England are playing. Grrr bloomin football.

AF better show up or my marriage may not last long enough for us to be TTC next month. Might try some of that EPO too.

Popinda Mon 11-Jun-12 19:58:48

is it possible for ov stick not to catch my ov?

DulcetMoans Mon 11-Jun-12 20:00:44

Aw, sorry about that newbie. At least you won't be wondering for now. The sooner she comes the sooner you can try again!

redstrawberry Mon 11-Jun-12 21:12:13

Sorry to hear that newbie Hope she arrives soon sad
Hope you ok x treat yourself to some wine

Newbie2 Mon 11-Jun-12 23:02:36

Hello ladies. Thanks for your concern. I went straight to bed after doing the test doubled up in pain. Just woke up and was very ill. I will spare you the details! Anyway, cramps have died down TG and it looks like I had food poisoning! Unusual for my body to take 24hrs to reject whatever it was but it was definite food poisoning so that clears that all up smile I'm just pleased cramps have died down!!

Popinda Tue 12-Jun-12 06:49:15

newbie really sorry to hear that! Glad you feeling better! smile everyone have a lovely day! smile

NicolaHazel Tue 12-Jun-12 07:05:09

Hopefully you're feeling better today, Newbie.

Any sign of ERTD?

LisaC2611 Tue 12-Jun-12 07:32:27

Morning all, I said hello last week, then promptly disappeared. Have been trying to hide my obsession with this site from hubby (and failing miserably!)

Hope you are feeling better newbie smile

I'm on cd20 and have been having lots of strange tummy pains. Af is due next Tuesday but we will be in Spain so hoping she wont turn up and that this is our month, but highly unlikely to be as it is only our 2nd cycle of ttc. Fx that it happens soon.

How's everyone else doing? I saw that this has been quite a fertile thread do fx for the rest of us.


NicolaHazel Tue 12-Jun-12 07:37:54

Hi Lisa :-)

CD 22 here, but first month off the pill and getting loads of aches and pains. No idea when AF will strike though!

And yes, very fertile indeed :-)

EchoDragon Tue 12-Jun-12 07:40:58

Glad your feeling better newbie and that you have an explanation for the cramps.

Hi lisa least your holiday might distract you from symptom spotting. We all seem to be POAS mad round here be warned.

We have had quite a few BFPs so far. Fx for more.

EchoDragon Tue 12-Jun-12 07:46:18

I'm on cd54 of first cycle I think. Stopped contraception mid cycle. Am hoping AF is on her way as currently have PMT from bell alternating between uber bitch and sobbing wreck. DH is very confused and tiptoes round trying to work out which way I'll swing next.

I think all of us are closet MN addicts. Helps us retain a tiny moment of sanity as we TTC.

LisaC2611 Tue 12-Jun-12 07:55:47

Hi echo and nicola

We've been contraception free for about 2 and a half years, although using condoms until we started ttc. Never thought I would become so obsessive about it. Promised dh that we would not try to not get pg if that makes sense but since the 1st time all I've thought about is getting pg. think I'm driving him mad already!!

I saw the poas party over the weekend. I haven't got any sticks so for the time being I am going to just buy them if we think we need it.

Might invest in opk if Af comes next week to see when ov occurs smile

Hope Af comes soon for u echo. My dh always knows when I'm due as I get very tearful. Poor guys they don't know what's hit them half the time grin

Popinda Tue 12-Jun-12 08:39:50

lisa welcome back! I'm exactly like you! I'm off contraception for about 9 months, we were using condoms up until last month! This is our second cycle of ttc. Promised myself I won't get obsess with trying to get pg! But it almost impossible! I spent about 90% of my awake time thinking what else I can do to speed up conception, I pee on the ov stick twice a day as I'm trying to pin point my ov, bit worried now as I'm on cd16 and the ov stick is saying I haven't ov yet! Even I do have my usual ov pains. I hope I get pg soon as I don't think I can keep up all that dtd for much longer! So tiring! smile thanks for this thread and you lovely ladies as you keep my sanity! grin

Popinda Tue 12-Jun-12 08:48:29

dragon I hope af arrives! I don't know anyone with such a long cycle! Have you done hpt?

LisaC2611 Tue 12-Jun-12 09:00:47

Hi pop

I also spend most of the time I'm awake thinking about it and also had a few strange dreams about it! Most of my time seems to be fluctuating between am I pg and is that a symptom or am I infertile and are we going to need ivf! I think my age concerns me more than anything else as I got told a few years ago by a gynae that once you hit 36 your fertility takes a dip and I turned 36 in April sad

Oh well, if we sling enough baby dust around, hopefully someone will catch the bug soon.


Popinda Tue 12-Jun-12 09:23:47

lisa as I said I feel exactly the same!! Especially about the infertility issue! I know im being unreasonable as its only our second cycle of tct, but I wonder why I'm not pg yet? Especially now when my ov sticks try to tell me I'm not ov! I'm trying to be positive and keep telling myself I'm just testing wrong time of the day! smile

Popinda Tue 12-Jun-12 09:51:25

Aarrrr! What's going on? Another friend is pregnant!!!!! I'm happy for her, don't get me wrong, but I'm also sad and envy that its not me! sad

LisaC2611 Tue 12-Jun-12 10:01:06

It will be your turn soon pop. Fx for a bfp this month.

All my friends seem to have had their families I'm the last one ttc. However there are 3 women pregnant in the department I work in, without all the others I keeper ting on the lift sad

I did say to dh at the weekend that I'm being tested as everywhere I look someone is pregnant or pushing a baby and I want it to be me envy

LisaC2611 Tue 12-Jun-12 10:02:04

Oops that should have said keep Merton in the lift blush

LisaC2611 Tue 12-Jun-12 10:02:34

Meeting angry damn predictive text

DulcetMoans Tue 12-Jun-12 11:13:13

We had a pregnancy announcement this morning at work as well. Not someone I know very well but will see them around.

I tried to POAS this morning but it went wrong I think. No line in the control window which the little bit of paper says means it did not work. Such an anticlimax! Not sure what I did wrong either. Oh well, try again tomorrow maybe. Just getting hopes up that ovaries on fire is a sign from my body, but I think I know it probably isn't!

Newbie2 Tue 12-Jun-12 11:37:39

Thanks ladies. I'm still recovering as was up many times in the night but the killer cramps have gone. Just taking it easy today with water and toast. I am seriously relieved that the worst is over and I will not be making homemade sausage rolls again in a hurry!! Made me realise how I need to be extra careful about double checking food is cooked thoroughly in the coming months! Normally very good about it but I guess my mind was elsewhere in TTC land on Sunday!

No sign of AF but I don't blame her smile CD30 for me and suspect I have a few more days to go.

Welcome back Lisa smile

Pop - Do you think maybe you started the OV sticks too late in your cycle? According to my Period Diary App I started using them 3 days too late as I had already Ov'd. I didn't realise that you count a withdrawal bleed as day 1 of your cycle...doh! I so know how you feel about another friend being me you probably feel a mix of feelings...over the moon for her, frustrated that its not you and angry that you feel that way about your friend! Don't be too hard on yourself though as she probably was the same about someone else when she was TTC...unless it was a happy accident.

Maclairey Tue 12-Jun-12 12:09:37

Afternoon all!!!

Echo I would be happy to be your cycle 52 for me and no signs of PMT sad

Hi Lisa welcome to the mad house.

Newbie sorry to hear you have been poorly that's definitely not good. Glad you are feeling better though.

I agree, I feel very envious of pregnant people. I can't help it even though it's ridiculous as I am only on cycle 1 but I keep thinking there must be something wrong with my woman's bits. Especially after this really long never ending cycle sad

Newbie2 Tue 12-Jun-12 12:13:20

Maclairey Uh I know, it's so easy to start thinking something is wrong with our bits isn't it!! Just look at me, I had chronic food poisoning and I was convinced it was my womb stretching lol

Newbie2 Tue 12-Jun-12 12:33:26

Forgot to say ladies that I came across this Fertility map yesterday. Thought it was quite useful. I don't know if these things are accurate though because like we've been saying everyone is so different. I think you have to take this information with a pinch of salt -

DulcetMoans Tue 12-Jun-12 14:33:44

So, i'm at work meaning I am obviously thinking of other things totally non-work based.

Do you think you can ever 'feel' pregnant? I guess it's a bit of a question for those that have their BFPs, if they are still around. At the early stages, before you have symptoms, do you feel pregnant? While we are TTC we are probably prone to thinking any little change or something unusual is pregnancy but I wonder whether, when it happens, we will be able to feel different before the tests are in...?

Anyway, thats my current train of thought...

Pinkie29 Tue 12-Jun-12 14:38:38

Dulcet apparently there are no symptoms, I got my bfp last week at 12dpo and thinking back the only difference I'd noticed was being exceptionally tired which is unusual for me and I had a huge appetite, also normally my boobs are tender right after ov, this month I didn't get any tenderness until around 7dpo

Popinda Tue 12-Jun-12 15:38:53

Ladies what are your view on: does saliva harm or kill sperm?

Popinda Tue 12-Jun-12 15:42:17

newbie I started using ov sticks on my cd6 so I would be surprise if I missed it! I decided to blame my cheep sticks from Internet. :-)

Newbie2 Tue 12-Jun-12 16:43:11

Dulcet I think the symptoms must feel stronger to those who're not thinking about pregnancy. When I speak to friends who have had happy accidents they've said they 'just knew' without even having to take a test. One of my friends never even took a test and just went straight to her GP (I find that odd as I've been waiting years to see that BFP line). I feel because I'm thinking 24hrs about this now that every twinge becomes analysed to whether it's a sign of a BFP!

Newbie2 Tue 12-Jun-12 16:47:27

Pinkie am I right in thinking that you OV late?

Pop oh then I guess you probably would have caught it! I'm so addicted to these damn sticks! I have to stop and save some for when I might need them!

Pinkie29 Tue 12-Jun-12 17:24:03

On my April cycle I didn't ov until cd28 but may cycle was cd16/17 I'm putting it down to Vitex smile

EchoDragon Tue 12-Jun-12 18:08:59

pop have taken two in the last two weeks. Also am sure I read on MN that water and saliva aren't good for the little swimmers.

Might take another test this week. Otherwise I'm heading to the doctors next week if AF is a now show.

Maclairey Tue 12-Jun-12 18:15:09

Hey Echo, I too am contemplating to docs soon if this carries on. I am a little bit reticent though in case they tell me to go away because it's perfectly normal.

It's so frustrating though. I have bought some vitex as well as EPO so hopefully when/if AF ever arrives I can try and prevent this happening again. I honestly never thought it would take this long for my first period after pill. sad

LisaC2611 Tue 12-Jun-12 18:21:17

Another question for you - I've read on here that you should stop epo when you ov - can someone tell me why? I use it for 2 reasons, one because it helps my skin and 2 because it helps my period pains. Do I need to stop using it mid-cycle?

Popinda Tue 12-Jun-12 18:22:41

Dragon - I just read that on Internet! Now I know where the problem is! grin does saliva kills the sperm or just make them very slow? does anyone know why?

Popinda Tue 12-Jun-12 18:25:17

Lisa - yes you do need to stop taking epo after ov as it apparently can cause a contractions to uterus, which is not what you really want when ttc.
I didn't know epo helps with the skin problems! That's great news! Thanks! smile

LisaC2611 Tue 12-Jun-12 18:30:40

Thanks pop. That'll rule me out for this month. Been taking them everyday religiously to clear my skin up forth is weekend. Done a fine job of clearing it but will remember not to take next month if Af arrives next week sad

EchoDragon Tue 12-Jun-12 18:58:49

Hmm wouldn't think it would kill them, perhaps hinder them. Not sure you'd want to do anything that would hinder them tho.

maclairey know what you mean but I think we have both been patient enough really. At 54 and 51 days cycles are getting slightly ridiculous!

DulcetMoans Tue 12-Jun-12 19:16:17

pinkie - I find that really interesting. Obviously we are told there are no symptoms which I am sure is true but I just think, with such a big thing happening in your body at that time you might just be 'aware' something has changed. Makes sense to be tired since your body is making a baby!

newbie - That makese sense to me as well. People actively trying and waiting each month to see if AF turns up or not will be looking at every twinge hoping that's it. We might miss any feeling of actual change.

Saliva and sperm?? That's not going to work for baby making! grin

Pinkie29 Tue 12-Jun-12 19:39:55

Dulcet oddly this is the first month I haven't sat and analysed every twinge/ache and turns out I was pg! I guess it varies from person to person but generally my reasoning for believing in no symptoms is to save my sanity smile

DulcetMoans Tue 12-Jun-12 20:01:31

Yeah, I agree. Everyone will experience it differently. I just saw another thread actually in the 'conception' section where someone had asked how quickly they knew, some of them said after like 36hrs!

Pinkie29 Tue 12-Jun-12 20:21:35

That's crazy!! I remember tho about 2 days after we would have conceived I was feeling very queasy, I assumed it was my cooking from the night before! Who knows hmm!

alwayshopeful13 Tue 12-Jun-12 22:59:27

Hello all, bit of an update from hopeful land:

Having concluded that my cycle is now 31 days on average (btw 30 and 32 since the mc in December), so expecting AF Friday 15th, today had some poss AF "signs" (sorry don't know what the abbreviation is) i.e. on day 28 which is how long my cycle used to be pre mc.

Nothing further since lunchtime today and I got a BFN when I tested after work this evening. So now torturing myself between most likely option (a) it is AF earlier than expected so back to square 1 again or option (b) the possibility of implantation bleeding if cycle is still 31 days and ov was (as I suspected without ov tests) on CD 19 ish.

I started taking EPO at the start of this cycle so who knows what effect that will have had. But basically totally clueless as to what's going on, and as usual completely not dealing with the fact that i can't just figure out what my body is doing. Why isn't there a clever computer that tells us?! (Because that's not how nature works, I know). Frustration reigns.

Here's hoping AF just comes proper tomorrow so I know where I am (and can open the wine!).

Nice to know we're all on this joyous journey together :-) x

DulcetMoans Wed 13-Jun-12 11:57:19

Hi hopeful! I hope you get AF tomorrow too, just to put an end to the wondering and allowing you to start again!

In other news, I am a PIAC convert. That was so much easier tha POAS this morning. Still BFN but at least I did it right. No idea what I did yesterday morning to have it not work at all!

BB01 Wed 13-Jun-12 12:20:29

Just wanted to say hello and share my story - which is v short you may be pleased to know!! DH and I decided last week to start trying...I am already consumed with thoughts of it 24/7 and can't sleep!! Although we have said to start with we won't go mad tracking ovulation etc it's so hard not to, esp as I think I know pretty much when this is every month. I'm also already worrying about how long it may take ttc - I have to say although I know quite a bit about babies and kids I am only just learning how low the odds are of actually conceiving!! Possibly didn't pay enough attention in biology. Anyway, so far we haven't told anybody about ttc. If the siblings-in-law ask again when we're having kids (which they do frequently) I will find it v hard to not tell them as they all have kids themselves. However I really would like to surprise them when and if we finally succeed. Feel better already now I have finally shared this with somebody other than DH! Eek story ended up longer than I expected smile

Newbie2 Wed 13-Jun-12 12:43:11

Welcome BB smile we are all v addicted to this thread so be warned!

Update from me is I can't seem to shake this food poisoning off. Still feeling terrible but back at work today. Today is CD 31 sad come on AF where are you!!!!

DulcetMoans Wed 13-Jun-12 15:04:20

Hi BB! I am sure most of us feel the same way as you! I am always asked when we are having kids and have to skirt around it now. Having to keep up my anti-kid pretence in some areas to as I am a recent convert to becoming a Mum!

Popinda Wed 13-Jun-12 15:41:22

Welcome BB we are all in the same boat, so to speak. smile I know how you feel as I'm exactly the same! Good luck with ttc and hopefully you will get your bfp in your first month! smile what contraception did you use before?

Popinda Wed 13-Jun-12 15:46:43

Ladies, do you think having no symptoms can be symptom of being pg? If you know what I mean?! I think I'm well and truly after my ov this month, but usually I have after ov, religiously every months since stopping the pill, sore boobs...etc, but not this month! Could that be a symptom or is it just a hopeful thinking? smile

DulcetMoans Wed 13-Jun-12 16:00:24

Oh Pop What a good question! I have no idea of an answer but sounds logical to me!

BB01 Wed 13-Jun-12 16:07:29

Hi all and thanks for the welcomes :-) It is soooo nice and reassuring to know people are going through a similar thing - which makes it sound so dramatic when only just started ttc - it's more just a weird time rather than anything negative :-)

Yes, DulcetMoans, I am already trying to come up with things to say when people ask that won't make it sound like we're trying to but won't sound completely anti-baby!!

Popinda, just condoms. Condom-free sex for first time = amazing!!! How about you? (Have probably missed a massive thread on this issue - am brand new to these forums!).

Newbie2 Wed 13-Jun-12 16:46:02

OK I've made a doctors appt for Friday morning. I'm still not right and I have not been able to eat a thing today. I am starting to think the problem might actually be something to do with AF not arriving as it is a coincendence that this started the day she should have appeared if I was on a 28day cycle. Now I've just got to decide whether I exaggerate my TTC length to the doctor. Perhaps I could get away with 6months!

NicolaHazel Wed 13-Jun-12 18:03:29

Hi BB, welcome! :-)

And, Dulcet, I had a failed POAS incident with no line too a while ago. Very frustrating. I now PIATH (piss in a tealight holder) to use my internet cheapies! I like!

Newbie...when did you get your last pill prescription? That may give you away.

I'm on CD23 and not even feeling remotely pre-menstrual. Suppose it could kick in, but not sure about a 28 day cycle.

Apart from the ovary twinges I feel nothing really. Ho hum!

EchoDragon Wed 13-Jun-12 18:12:12

Hi BB welcome. TTC is sending us all slightly crazy. This is our release place. No one judges you and you can discuss baby related obsessions in private. If my DH knew half the stuff I discuss on here he'd run for the hills! My baby obsession is kept secret. Mwah ha ha <strokes evil cat>

I had the implant currently on day 54 of a mammoth cycle! My first TTC. I want to be pg sooo bad!

DulcetMoans Wed 13-Jun-12 19:26:40

Good to know Nicola! Was beginning to wonder if I should consider a baby if I can't even POAS right!! I am PIAPHC (piss in a promotional highlighter container) from now on!

Hope you get some answers from the docs newbie, even better hopefully the answer you want most - PG!!

Not sure how you long cycle ladies are coping. I couldn't cope with the not knowing when it will happen!!

EchoDragon Wed 13-Jun-12 22:01:14

Dulcet you just made my day with your with your PIAPHC. grin

Newbie2 Wed 13-Jun-12 22:17:48

Ok so I nearly passed out on my journey home from work because of these non stop cramps and backache so called my mum for her medical mother advice. She has many different versions but I think we've agreed that maybe I got food poisoning and also PMS cramps at the same time made worse by food poisoning. Only happy news I have is my CBFM has arrived woop woop! Oh and my amazon CB digi pregi tests. Might just test again in the morning so I'm 100% sure.

Asked mum if you get signs that you're pregnant straight away. She said no but you'll get itchy nipples after 6 weeks and they change colour. ITCHY nipples? This is news to me!

Newbie2 Wed 13-Jun-12 22:20:02

Nicola uh I hadn't thought that one through! Perhaps I'll give GP a call tomorrow to find out when my last visit was. Could always say I didn't take the last pill packs in the end as we changed our minds and started TTC early...need to think this through more!

Newbie2 Thu 14-Jun-12 04:07:56

Right so I've done a digital pregnancy test this morning. Clearly says BFN so I can rule pregnancy out for sure now. Perhaps I just can't remember how bad period pains are! It can't possibly still be food poisoning on day 4!

NicolaHazel Thu 14-Jun-12 06:32:06

I think you need a trip to the GP anyway, Newbie, find out what's wrong. Hope you feel better soon.

Newbie2 Thu 14-Jun-12 07:19:33

Nicola I think you're right and I'll probably just say 2 months otherwise they will get really confused by my symptoms.

Can anyone tell me how long their first real (post pill) AF cramps lasted before AF arrived? I think I might have forgotten how long they last! It says on NHS 12-24hrs before AF arrives.

Popinda Thu 14-Jun-12 07:21:01

newbie sorry to hear that you still not better! I use to get cramps like that last year, for about three months and docs couldn't find anything! Apparently it was stress related as I started a new job! Good luck with your app, hopefully they will be more helpful!

BB I was on the pill for over nine years, stopped last August and been using condoms up until last last month when we suddenly decided that it would be good idea to have a baby. grin I know what you mean when you say it was amazing to have first condom free hmm. grin it was also my first ever unprotected hmm. grin that how much I was trying to prevent getting pg! And now I can't wait! And it's just not happening! sad (I'm exaggerating a bit smile this is our second cycle of ttc)

LisaC2611 Thu 14-Jun-12 07:27:24

newbie I've been having what I think are cramps for the last few days but no af yet, she's not meant to be due until next Tuesday, hope I haven't got to put up with this till then angry would actually prefer af to come early this month, at least it means it won't ruin my holiday next week.

Told dh last night about the useful info I got from here about epo, so now going to convince him we need to use opks grin

EchoDragon Thu 14-Jun-12 08:00:14

Newbie think you definitely need to go see your GP.

I have ordered some Vitex on other people's advice to try and get my cycle under control.

Am considering EPO and opks. Lisa check out Amazon for cheapie opks.

DH may think I have completely lost it if I start using opks. Plus which I don't think it will help my PIAC addiction.

LisaC2611 Thu 14-Jun-12 09:14:08

Thanks echo was going to have a look for some today which will hopefully arrive by the time we get back, which will give dh time to get used to the idea grin

Newbie2 Thu 14-Jun-12 10:35:57

Thanks everybody x Will go to docs tmz am. and let you know how it goes. Started taking Ibrupofen this morning which has softened the blow of the cramps...another tell tell sign that this is just pms and I'm over worrying about nothing. If I hadn't been so sick at the start of the week I would just be putting this down to AF's arrival.

Echo where did you buy Vitex from? I couldn't find it in Holland and Barrats yesterday

BB01 Thu 14-Jun-12 11:19:56

Thanks all for the welcomes! It's so nice to hear others are in the same boat and to be able to tell somebody without it having negative repercussions!! DulcetMoans...yes just yesterday I had to get around it by saying 'oh there's no rush with starting a family'. Not lying exactly (I am a bad liar!!) is it??
Newbie2...hope you feel better - food poisoning is horrid :-(
Popinda, used just condoms about you? I wonder if I am unusual in not having been on the pill/had an IUD etc... (Have probably missed a massive thread on this!).

BB01 Thu 14-Jun-12 11:20:52

Oh my goodness - sorry - thought my first post hadn't worked! Now there's 2 worded slightly differently...eeek!

BB01 Thu 14-Jun-12 11:24:01

EchoDragon, I hope it happens for you really soon. I'm glad you are finding it useful to be on this forum...the last time I really used forums was when I was planning my wedding and found it so useful apart from all the trolls!

Maclairey Thu 14-Jun-12 11:29:47

Newbie I hope you get it sorted soon. Not sure about Echo but I bought my Vitex from Amazon. Day 54 for me today sad

How is everyone else?

Hi BB I also used wedding forums when planning my wedding last year. Although you are right, the trolls are very annoying.

DulcetMoans Thu 14-Jun-12 11:31:53

haha BB, nevermind! I am a just condoms lady as well but I do think it's a minority. I haven't seen a thread confirming this but it's just what I think! It does mean though I haven't taken any notice of cycles lengths etc so when the ladies start talking about CD I get a little lost! Still, it's my first month TTC so I am sure I will get better at knowing.

Glad to know I can make someone happy EchoDragon! haha. Waiting on my cheapie stick delivery so I can try it all again!

NicolaHazel Thu 14-Jun-12 12:15:10

Arrrggghhh...low back ache today :-(

Bad posture or gearing up to pre-menstrual? CD24 here. No emotional signs of ERTD yet though!!

NicolaHazel Thu 14-Jun-12 12:33:03

Hmmm...and now maybe pre-menstrual cramps too. Ah well, would be good in a way to know I'll fully functioning post-pill.

Not like I was likely to get a BFP first month. :-(

Newbie2 Thu 14-Jun-12 13:53:02

Nicola aww bless I know how you feel. Ok positives for us is we can relax this weekend and not obsessively POASOIRA (piss on any stick or in random objects), we can drink and eat what we like and we can have Ibrupofen! And TTC round two is just around the corner smile

Newbie2 Thu 14-Jun-12 13:58:07

Who else is POASOIRA free wink and who is planning to POASOIRA next? grin

LisaC2611 Thu 14-Jun-12 14:01:47

I agree newbie if AF comes this weekend, means I won't have to worry about not having a few drinks on holiday next week. Round 3 of TTC to come for me, but I shall be POAS from day 6 ish (provided I get the sticks delivered in time) grin

Newbie2 Thu 14-Jun-12 14:05:58

Lisa Lucky round 3 sounds positive smile have a fab stress free holiday!

EchoDragon Thu 14-Jun-12 15:00:57

Newbie got Vitex from Amazon.

Maclairey have you started it yet? Not sure if I should wait for AF to start before beginning it.

I am considering PIAC. Been 8 days since last BFN. Don't feel pg. But then would be too early for symptoms anyway.

Now in day 56 and just feel like a I'm in limbo. Don't want to POAS really as however unlikely a BFP is a tiny but of me hopes it will be pos.

Just really fed up TBH.

Maclairey Thu 14-Jun-12 16:06:47

No not started it yet Echo. I wasn't sure if was safe to take all cycle or if like EPO you need to stop after ovulation.

I was going to wait for AF but if things carry on like this I might change my mind.

I will be poas Saturday. I allow myself one a week at the moment. I know it will be a BFN but being stuck in limbo like this I don't really know what else to do sad

EchoDragon Thu 14-Jun-12 16:54:18

maclairey completely get where your coming from. Don't know if I should be SWI or not. Think I may have ovd last week. Had lots of mucus dunno if it was EWCM. (Sorry for tmi)

Just fed up. I want AF so I can start a.proper cycle.

Popinda Thu 14-Jun-12 17:21:55

I feel so sorry for you ladies on long cycles! sad I dont really know how you can cope!
Now a bit tmi coming, I thought I ov few days ago, but having lots of ewcm now! Or it might be epo! So better dtd tonight, but I'm soo tired of doing it now! It's sound terrible, but because I thought I ov much earlier we dtd almost every day from beginning of the month! And now I'm actually ov I think we going to miss it! sadsad well at least I know for the next month!
Come on ladies roll in the BFPs! smile

Newbie2 Thu 14-Jun-12 17:23:20

Mclairey and Echo have you experienced pre cramps yet to make you think it's coming but it never arrives? Sounds like a awful wait to go through biscuit biscuit biscuit biscuit

DulcetMoans Thu 14-Jun-12 17:28:29

Does sound horrible. I would POAS echo, if only to put mind at ease. You are prepared for it to be BFN but at least you will know and can rule it out.

Is it worth a trip to the docs for either of you or is it quite normal to have this wait after the pill?

Saw a lady I used to work with at lunch today, sporting a nice bump. Happy for her but bump envy!

EchoDragon Thu 14-Jun-12 17:55:59

Oh FFS just POAS it was invalid. Didn't shove it in the cup far enough obviously.

dulcet i'm not sure. AF was due just as implant was out. But I was all over the .place cycle wise on it. Takes about 3 weeks to get hormones out of system. So realistically I think I can expect AF in next two to three weeks. I just feel they will not take me too seriously. IYSWIM.

Will POAS tomorrow with FMU and decide then.

NicolaHazel Thu 14-Jun-12 18:04:32

Ha ha, Newbie! No sign yet, which has surprised me...maybe tomorrow. Or maybe I'm being led up the garden path by my body! So no, no POASOIRO for me!

I can't imagine how Echo and Maclairey must feel...there must be something to induce AF?!

EchoDragon Thu 14-Jun-12 19:43:38

OMG just had a major melt down at work. How embarassing on a high note am only this hormonal before AF shows up.

alwyn Thu 14-Jun-12 19:57:48

I PIARO earlier and got a neg OPK. Now I'm feeling stabby pains in my left side - wtf? Is this a OV pain (have been on some kind of contraceptive for 14 years so have no idea!)?

NicolaHazel Thu 14-Jun-12 20:06:39

Ah, Alwyn...I've been stabby on left, right and both sides since CD9. CD24 now and looks like I may be heading towards AF. We will see though! :-)

NicolaHazel Thu 14-Jun-12 20:07:44

Should have said...17.5 years on some form of contraception and first post-pill month!

alwyn Thu 14-Jun-12 20:12:14

Yep, apart from you being further on than me in your cycle we're pretty much at the same point!!

Ah well, we'll see what pans out over the next few weeks!

NicolaHazel Thu 14-Jun-12 20:30:38

I'm very ho hum at the moment! Just either want to be pregnant or have AF to know my bits are working and to get going on month 2 :-)

Maclairey Thu 14-Jun-12 21:16:03

God I hate football. That is all.

redstrawberry Thu 14-Jun-12 21:20:15

You and me both maclairey
It's such a mood kill :/

alwayshopeful13 Thu 14-Jun-12 21:24:34

Hello all, AF confirmed her presence today (after 2 days of hinting and playing with my emotions - was it implantation bleeding/gradual AF etc etc). So back to square 1. And first 28 day cycle (which used to be clockwork) since mc in December 11. I'm guessing the EPO must have had some effect in rebalancing my cycle.

This month and getting AF is a bit of a milestone passing because I would have been due June 29th and always reckoned (naively) we'd definitely be pg again before that date arrived. And close friend who was due 2 weeks before me is now awaiting arrival of her first imminently. I do find that really hard even tho totally thrilled for us obv.

Hey ho. Here's to the next cycle! And lots of vino for me this weekend :-) x

redstrawberry Thu 14-Jun-12 21:29:16

Sorry about AF always i was late by 3 days last cycle but she still showed up! its horrible trying to guess what your body's doing!

It sucks when your close friends or family are experiencing all the things that you should have been. Just practice your brave face and think abt the positives - an Easter baby will be fab and Spring is a good time of the year! Fx its your time next month

alwayshopeful13 Thu 14-Jun-12 21:42:39

Thanks strawberry - v wise words. Sorry to hear you had the same roller coaster. Where is that computer that reads mother nature for us?!

Focussing on the positives for sure. And thankfully the usual hormonal emotion surge hasn't landed this month, so I'm feeling much more balanced and optimistic post-AF disappointment than in previous months. And on the friends and family thing - I find allowing for a bit of tactical avoidance (just when I'm feeling v fragile), as well as the brave face, is also a good idea too :-)

Newbie2 Thu 14-Jun-12 23:25:28

always here is your well deserved glass of virtual wine wine Hope you enjoy the real thing this weekend...heres to spring babies for all of us smile (apart from the new m2b still popping in to say hello from time to time)

Popinda Fri 15-Jun-12 06:58:56

always it's a bummer about arrival of af, but at least you can start fresh this cycle. Fx for bfp for you (and everyone else) next month!
Also just to say, that cheep ov sticks from internet are brilliant and work! 50 under £8! Money well spent as now I know that I'm ov much later in my cycle (cd19) than I thought! I have been using them from about cd6, just in case I on early and as the month gone on was worried I don't even ov! But I do! It is such a nice feeling to know your bits are working! smile so even if I dong get of this cycle I'm def recommending them to everyone else!

Popinda Fri 15-Jun-12 07:00:49

newbie how did the docs app go?

EchoDragon Fri 15-Jun-12 07:03:43

Morning all. So PIAGUNJ (peed in a glass used to be a nutella jar) BFN.

maclairey think I will just start Vitex as it arrives.

All this closet PIAGUNJ is hard work. Esp keeping all evidence from DH.

KickTheGuru Fri 15-Jun-12 08:16:21

So the insatiable thirst came to a head on Sunday. Went out to Serpentine Lido for a swim and just didn't feel very well. I suppose I should add things like extremely tired, nauseas, heart rate really mad, can't breathe, occasional eye sight blurry. Got home and vomited all night. A&E first thing on Monday morning to a blood glucose level of 36 and am now Type 1 Diabetic. Was in crititical care because everything was completely depleted so have bruises up my arms from the millions of pipes and tubes.

Until my bloods are settled, I will have to put off TTC

AF should have arrived on Wednesday but still nothing. Not even bothering with a test since the doctors said it's virtually impossible that I woudl have even ovulated this month with my body basically shutting down...

So I am out for the next few months...

And they wanted me to participate in research which I woudl have been keen to do (type 1 is the 1 in 10 people diabetes, that should normally hit when you are a teenager - not 30) but it's a year long and we wouldn't be able to breed then.

KickTheGuru Fri 15-Jun-12 08:17:53

That said, the diabetes is more than likely the reason I haven't managed to conceive. And I feel loads better.

Wanted to add the positive bits in :D

Popinda Fri 15-Jun-12 08:20:11

So sorry to hear about your bfn! sad let's hope af arrives soon so you can start properly.
I also hide my poas addiction from dh! I'm very good at it! He has no clue! I just tell him when is time to dtd. grin although I think he seen the hundreds of ov sticks in the bin. grin

Popinda Fri 15-Jun-12 08:24:45

Oh kick that's is a bad news! Really sorry to hear that! At least you know what was the problem! What you going to do now? Are you going to stop trying completely? How long for?

Maclairey Fri 15-Jun-12 08:26:53

Hey kick welcome back!!!! Glad you are feeling much better. I had a feeling that it might be diabetes. At least you know now and you can get on with getting yourself back to full health. It is also good news that you may now have a reason that you haven't conceived yet. Hopefully once your bloods get back to normal you will be able to proceed with ttc full steam ahead.

I still don't know what to do Echo. I feel your pain though. I am going to poas tomorrow and take it from there.

Hello everyone else. I am so pleased its Friday. Not been feeling myself this week do glad for a rest at the weekend.

KickTheGuru Fri 15-Jun-12 08:37:07

I have a lot of hand-holding ahead of me. The doctors said they have no idea how I managed to run and cycle and swim while my body was shutting down. My phosphate was 0.1 and it should have been 10. My body was basically acid and I had no bicarb left. I had no calcium, no potassium, magnesium low etc etc. They said if I'd left it a few more days, it would have been a lot worse off. And the only real reason I went into hospital was because I'd been vomiting all night.

Anyway - I went to Guys and St Thomas and apparently they're the shit for diabetes. They have been awesome actually so was really fortunate. They will get my sugars to where they need to be and we can probably start trying in two or three months time.

SO nice not to get up all night to pee and to make my own saliva, and to not have a thundering heart rate or to be so thirsty. My house felt sticky yesterday! I had to clean it grin

Anyone else get BFPs??

Popinda Fri 15-Jun-12 09:47:28

kick I have decided I'll get bfp in two weeks time! gringringrin

KickTheGuru Fri 15-Jun-12 09:55:31

I like the positivity. And remember: any symptoms are no symptoms!

Or diabetes... ;)

Kittenkatzen Fri 15-Jun-12 10:09:19


Good morning ladies - just thought I'd stick my head in and see how you're all getting on smile

kick - omg you poor thing that sounds horrible sad glad you have a proper diagnosis now and concentrate on getting back on top form. You must be a machine to have been excersising and dtd like you were with your body in such a state!

echo and maclairey - are you really both still waiting for your AFs?? What a massive PITA for you. Are your bodies in secret competition with each other to see who can hold out the longest?!

I haven't read back over everything so if I've missed any BFPs then congratulations to all smilesmile Is pinkie still lurking? Hope she's doing ok too.

We're still in the same position as before - feels like it's been months since we decided to temporarily postpone ttc, but I think it's only actually been about 10 days!! Impatient much?!

Anyway, just popped in to say hi. Will keep lurking on this board to see how you're all doing, and will be back to join properly again soon I hope! smile

(Off topic PS.....nicola/queen did you manage to get your Muse tickets? I missed out on the ballot, then panic bought two seated tickets in the 9am presale - then somehow managed to get floor tickets in the general sale - get in!!! gringrin Hope you both were lucky too!)

Pinkie29 Fri 15-Jun-12 10:25:22

kitten still lurking!! grin

kick that sounds awful but thank god you got to the hospital in time and now have a diagnosis! Get yourself well and you'll be back on it soon!

I'm doing good got my mw app next Friday, had a maternity bra fitting yesterday as boobs huge and sore! Already gone up to a D! Otherwise had cramping on and off all week, felt queasy a few times but not actually been sick phew! Still testing haha!

KickTheGuru Fri 15-Jun-12 10:31:12

Yay Pinkie!! Awesome to see your progress. Don't go anywhere!

Kitten - looks like we'll be back on the wagon at the same time. Are you guys back on contraception? They were trying to get me to go on the pill but I hate the pill. Rather wrap him up...

The doctors said the same thing. Apparently I was very sick. My temp was 32, they couldn't find veins or arteries, I had no potassium, no phosphate, low magnesium, vomiting all night on Sunday, sugar level was 36, couldn't breathe, BP was 150 / 120, HR was 120 and was in critical care until Wednesday. They said I was virtually in a coma so I shouldn't have been cycling or swimming or running. At least I know why I battled so much. That said, I also healed very quickly. I went from critical care to being able to be discharged so was lucky...

Kittenkatzen Fri 15-Jun-12 11:34:15

Are you sure you're not part robot kick?! <visions of a female version of Will Smith in iRobot.....> glad you're feeling better so quickly though. And happy to have some company on the wait to get back on it (so to speak grin)

No hormonal contraception for us - it was such a big step to come off the pill, and we hope not to be waiting too long so it seems like a bit of a backwards step iyswim. DH keeps mumbling about picking up "something ribbed for my pleasure" hmm but in reality I think we're both happy with withdrawal for now.

pinkie so glad everything is going well for you!! Very exciting to see your updates, do make sure you keep us posted smile

DulcetMoans Fri 15-Jun-12 14:55:05

Jeez kick, that is crazy! Such a relief to get a reason though I am sure. Hopefully it can all be sorted soon.

Big boobs already pinkie? That's a worry! They will be like footballs by the end!

What a strange collection of things we all pee in!! I have been hiding the test from DP too. Hopefully he will think the BFP one is the only one I did!

Hi ladies - I'm still lurking too wink waiting for you all to get your BFPs too before I leave for good grin

kick omg you've been through so much this week! I'm sorry that it means you have to delay ttc for a little while but on the upside at least you finally have a diagnosis and the doctors can restore your health ready to grow a little baby.

Hope everyone else is well? Miss you guys!

Popinda Fri 15-Jun-12 16:55:17

Queen how many days you were post ov when you got your bfp or vfp (very faint positive grin) how you feeling? Any symptoms? Have you seen me yet?

Pinkie29 Fri 15-Jun-12 17:10:29

Dulcet dp thinks it great cheeky bugger said 'will I finally get a tit wank?'

NicolaHazel Fri 15-Jun-12 18:01:39

Bloody hell, kick, that's one hell of an awful time you've had. Says a lot about how healthy you were otherwise to keep going. Fingers crossed you're ready to start TTCing again soon.

And yes, kitten, I scored in the lottery for tickets. H2B didn't, but only needed one pair! Which are you off to?

Huge arguments with H2B about his lack of proactivity in job hunting today. Nightmare. No DTD going to happen here for a while!

Newbie2 Fri 15-Jun-12 18:12:05

Hi ladies! Kick you poor thing! Brilliant that you're so fit to bounce back so quickly! You will be back TTC in know time I'm sure!

Update from me..saw really nice doctor lady this morning. Turns out I have a bad tummy bug! She laughed about my sausage rolls story and says it is very unlikely I gave myself food poisoning. She also told me to go back for blood test if there is no BPF in 2-3 months. After hearing that news I feel so much better as I've heard some friends have had to wait 6-12 months before going down that road.

She told me to keep testing with OV sticks. She also said that EPO won't shorten my cycles and she didn't know about Vitex. I was quite surprised about both of those pieces of advice! Perhaps I'll take my own view on how to make cycles shorter smile Anyway I came home and did OV test and I think I may be OV as test window was darker then it has ever been before! I will definitely be DTD this weekend!!

DulcetMoans Fri 15-Jun-12 19:21:15

Haha, just another benefit of pregnancy for hubby then pinkie! Mines all full of romantic phrases like "do you want my seed tonight?" or "shall we put a sprog in there?". I'm so lucky!

DulcetMoans Fri 15-Jun-12 19:22:55

Sorry, didn't mean to send that yet. Bloody phone!

Was just gonna say I'm glad you got some info from the docs newbie. Hope it puts your mind at rest for a while and gives you three more cycles to either get you BFP or check there's not a reason. Good result I'd say!

Pinkie29 Fri 15-Jun-12 19:50:53

Who said romance was dead haha! Well dp told his mum tonight! She was very shocked as had no idea we were ttc but over the moon for us grin

MissMedusa Fri 15-Jun-12 21:31:40

Random mid cycle (CD16) spotting here which I've never had before that I know of. For a mad minute I thought it might have been implantation bleeding but upon researching, it's way too soon for that so it must be ovulation bleeding which would make sense as I'm due to ov (positive opk 2 days ago).

Anyone else get ovulation bleeding?

redstrawberry Fri 15-Jun-12 21:47:22

<Waves at everyone> evening All!

kick good to see you back! Sounds like you've had an awfully rough time! Glad to know the cause - suspected it was diabetes but didn't want to cause worry. Sorry you've had to stop ttc for awhile but at least when you start again after things are normal it might not take you long to get your long deserved BFP smile

redstrawberry Fri 15-Jun-12 21:50:34

I think I'm def out for June - the bloody football is taking over TTC sad
Can't wait till its over - feel like screaming at the telly! He was earlier on the bog and even screaming whilst checking the score :-/

LisaC2611 Sat 16-Jun-12 08:21:13

Morning all

newbie and kick glad your both getting some answers as to why you've not been feeling well. kick my bil has been diabetic since he was 5 years old and he manages it really well. Once you've got your bloods under control you'll learn your body again and ttc will be back on the agenda before you know it.

Well I'm out for a June bfp sad af arrived this morning. Oh well lots more trying next month grin

Anyone else waiting to test or for af?

NicolaHazel Sat 16-Jun-12 08:52:03

Hi Lisa

I'm CD26 on first post-pill cycle. Thought AF was coming Thursday, but it was seemingly a false alarm! Cracked and tested today...BFN.

See what happens next!

MissMedusa Sat 16-Jun-12 09:17:49

Temps this morning confirm I OV'd yesterday(CD16) so the spotting yesterday must have been ovulation bleeding. We've been good bunnies this cycle, DH was let out of hospital early so we were able to SWI almost every day this week. We've been TTC for almost a year but various (shitty) circumstances have been keeping us from giving it a proper go. This would be the first month where I really feel like we've been really trying. By that I mean, I've been trying the whole time but this is the first month that DH has been taking it seriously as well.

Now we enter the 2WW. I've become pretty good at convincing myself I'm not PG so I don't get too disappointed when AF comes but this month is going to be a hard one for both of us if it doesn't work out. Fx though, we've had so much bad luck this past year, we could both really use something positive.

Hi popinda smile Got faint line on cheapie hpt at 9DPO then BFP on digi test the next day. Symptoms so far are sore boobs, tired, bloated, spotty, hormonal - oh the glamour grin

Sorry to hear about afs arriving/bfns... I remember a lot of one will be testing at the end of the month so maybe its just a bit early for bfps yet. I'm going to keep lurking anyway to get your updates, fx for you all!

Newbie2 Sat 16-Jun-12 10:29:10

Oh dear I've totally ruined DTD this weekend by telling my DH that I've OVd this weekend. What was I thinking!!! Why did I not realise that would be a total mood kill for him? sad Note to myself Never Ever ever share that you've OVd again!!

alwayshopeful13 Sat 16-Jun-12 20:10:13

Evening all. Sounds like lots has happened for us all - in our different ways - this week. Big luck and love to everyone. Medusa - good luck with the a week or so I'll be joining you :-)

Here's my update, with wine in hand (actually - the wine, I'm on the fizz)...

The Tuesday hint of bleeding (AF/implantation?) most definitely turned out to be AF. 28 day cycle after everything being totally unpredictable for the last few months. Hey ho....better to know I guess. We always hoped we'd be pg before end June (would have been due 29 June), so that was not to be. And best friend was due this week (still waiting), so that's tough too no matter what happy face I manage to put on.

Totally overanalysing everything of course and wondering why it didn't happen quickly post mc in December (having got pg 2nd month of trying). Listening to MN pals I decided to speak to GP, just in case there is an underlying problem. Long story (next bookable appt July 10th, hello?!!!) but got a telephone consultation yesterday and bottom line is I'm seeing doc on Friday (very normal to be trying for a year, oh periods strange since mc, you should come in and see a gp...). Hoping she'll send me for tests, at least just to be sure I am actually ovulating. And if I'm not then at least we can start investigating properly whether there is anything wrong.

Happy Saturday everyone. Hope those of you on the vino are enjoying it!


Popinda Sat 16-Jun-12 20:36:16

newbie I don't think epo is supposed to shorten your cycle, I think is supposed make more sperm friendly cm. vitex is supposed to shorten your cycle. Please free to correct me if I'm mistaken, but this is how I understood it. smile also it is nice to see the second line on ov stick, isn't it! I was so happy when mine appeared! My dh was so nice when I told him is that time of the month (meaning I'm ov) after we dtd he stroke my tummy and talk to his little swimmers to do a good job! Also he told them to make sure it's going to be a boy! grin
I'm now joining the 2ww with some of you lovely ladies! I'm trying so hard not to symptom spot is driving me crazy! smile telling myself if I don't symptom spot I'll def be pg this month! Crazy, hey! smile
Who is testing next week? I'm sure I'll will test much earlier as my poas addiction is out of control now! grin

alwayshopeful13 Sat 16-Jun-12 20:44:38

Hello newbie - good luck with your 2ww!

I'm sure you're prob right about EPO. I'd heard it was supposed to balance cycle post mc (as well as generating sperm friendly cm). And it could be a coincidence but I took EPO for the first time last month and my cycle went back to 28 days and clockwork (literally used to be able to predict within an hour) as it was pre-mc, having been all a mess since December. But as I say, maybe a coincidence.

I won't be testing for 3 weeks at least :-( x

Popinda Sat 16-Jun-12 20:52:05

hopeful I know arrival of af is not what any of us want at the moment, but at least now your cycle is back to normal and you can predict your ov better and dtd when time is right. grin do you use ov sticks? I do must say that I only used epo for about 3 day before ov but my ewcm was excellent this cycle. Never had that before? So secretly very hopeful this month. Sorry if tmi! grin I'm so positive about epo I gave it to my friend who is also ttc for sometime now! I told her she will have to name the child after me if she gets pg this month! gringrin

alwayshopeful13 Sat 16-Jun-12 20:59:21

Popinda no worries about TMI! I reckon the whole point of this thread (and MN generally) is we can all be as honest as we need to be to figure all this out and stay sane through it all :-)

We did use ov sticks but they've always been negative. And it's a v basic question I know but I've never really understood whether getting a regular period means you're deffo ovulating... Esp because I've read here and elsewhere that ov sticks aren't always reliable. And I know (from first pg) that we are able to conceive, so always tempted to assume ov sticks are just wrongly timed.

So I'm hoping doc will do the blood test which will establish for once and for all whether ov is happening as it should be.

Glad to hear you're hopeful this month. And "hope" is totally where it's at...seriously (and I know I would say nickname etc! :-)

Popinda Sat 16-Jun-12 21:29:19

hopeful I used ov sticks for the first time was using them from about cd6 twice same time a day ( for some unknown reason I thought I ov early) and by cd14 I was loosing a hope that I actually will ever ov, almost gave up on testing (but my addiction to poas got better of me grin) and started to test randomly every other day or so and on cd17 and cd18 I got too lines! Couldn't believe it!!! Now I'm going to repeat myself, but it was amazing feeling! Felt like a women! iykwim! grin maybe you ov later or earlier than you think and that's why you haven't been able to caught it? confused

Popinda Sat 16-Jun-12 21:32:58

Forgot, not sure if getting af means you ov. I would think not necessary. Does anyone else has more info about this?
hopeful good luck with you blood test. Do you need to have that on particular cd? How is blood test going to tell you that you ov? confused sorry i have virtually now knowledge about this! I always assumed I will get pg the day I stop taking contraception! Isn't that what we all have been told? Look at all the people getting pg on the pill! confused

MissMedusa Sat 16-Jun-12 23:34:54

OV sticks are not very reliable and it's easy to miss your LH surge. I got my first positive this cycle when I tested late afternoon on CD14 and it was negative again by the time I tested again the next morning. I OV'd 2 days later on CD16. On the 2 days leading up to the positive and on the next morning I got a very faint line but that's it. In previous cycles I had only tested in the morning and I never got a positive.

alwayshopeful13 Sat 16-Jun-12 23:59:06

Thanks Medusa - that's really interesting about your ov sticks. Despite what the tests show, I've always been pretty sure I ovulate every month (other signs inc what I suspect is ov pain). But have never had any better than a faint positive line on the ov tests (and I'm using the Boots ones which say it's only positive if test line is same or darker as control line....which has never happened). But sounds like it's possible I'm just missing LH surge. Plus however much I try it's never exactly the same time each day when I test, and the instructions say it should be same time.

Will be interesting to see what GP recommends. I plan to drive a hard bargain for some tests and - OV sticks aside - my cycle post mc is random in lots of ways so hopefully GP will agree and decide tests are in order! I'll keep you all posted :-)

Popinda Sun 17-Jun-12 00:00:41

medusa how do you know you actually ov'd?

alwayshopeful13 Sun 17-Jun-12 00:02:20

Popinda don't know yet exactly whether I'll get the blood test. Just that lovely NHS direct nurse said it's the only way to be sure you're ovulating, and then recommended the back way into getting my GP to refer me for tests. Had phone consultation with doc yesterday (because it was 3 weeks til next possible appt!) and she agreed to bring me in for proper consultation because she said "your cycle sounds erratic. We should investigate if there's something wrong." So I'm guessing that means she'll send me for blood tests. Seeing GP Friday so who knows.... Will keep you all posted!

Popinda Sun 17-Jun-12 00:04:43

hopeful they do say is very easy to miss the lh surge, but when I ov'd, I tested three random times of the day in the space of about 30hours and got very strong positive every time.

alwayshopeful13 Sun 17-Jun-12 00:05:00

Medusa I know I ov'd because I got pregnant....and mced at 11 weeks. And at the time of the mc in Dec doc said given I always get the ov pain plus "favourable discharge" (nice!) signs were all good and we should have no probs.

MissMedusa Sun 17-Jun-12 10:58:59

I think it depends on the person and the concentration of LH. I think it's possible to not have such a high concentration and still ovulate meaning you will never get a very dark line. Some women get a faint line throughout their cycles meaning the stick pick up on a low concentration LH all the time and then the line gets significantly darker when they get their surge. I don't get any line at all throughout most of my cycle and the surge is only detected for a very short period of time and only then, for a brief window, if the line even as dark as the test line and never darker. I think my concentration of LH is simply a bit lower but it's still there.

Popinda I know I OV'd this month as I track my temperature and my temps are lower than my cover line (around 36.35°) before I OV and above that after I OV. The usually take a little dip on the day before I OV (which they did this month) so I can guess when it's coming and this month I had the added bonus of a small amount of ovulation bleeding.

What can happen and what happened to me once is that after a few days of high temps my temp dropped again which likely meant I did not really OV - my body geared up for it but then for some reason (stress due to dental surgery, most likely) it failed. That month, my temps styed low for about a week after that and then the whole process started again and I OV'd again (for real) on CD26. That month my cycle lasted 36 days which is significantly longer than normal.

In a nutshell, if your temperatures rise and stay high until the end of your cycle, you can be sure you ovulated. In fact, I think that's the only way you can be sure without a test.

Newbie2 Sun 17-Jun-12 11:48:21

I tested again for OV yesterday and nothing. No idea why I got a darker line on Friday. Thought I was OVing but now I am doubtful. On CD 35 post pill with no signs of AF arriving. Im now in limbo land again...boring!

NicolaHazel Sun 17-Jun-12 12:39:52

Hi Newbie

I'm not testing, but I'm on CD27 post-pill and I don't feel pre-menstrual at all (after false symptoms last week). At least I still could have a 28 - 30 day cycle, though I'm not convinced.

First post-contraception cycle is a bit odd really, physically and mentally, I think!

Maclairey Sun 17-Jun-12 12:55:50

Hi all, day 57 for me today and counting. Felt quite down about it all yesterday after another BFN. I know there is nothing I can do about it but it's just so frustrating.

Newbie and Nicola I hope you are not waiting as long as me and Echo have been.

I have a feeling AF will show next weekend just in time for a wedding we are attending on Sunday. Just so that I am nice and bloated in my new dress and probably a moody cow.

So no one got a fathers day BFP then?

Newbie2 Sun 17-Jun-12 13:04:54

Nicola bet now you know there is a long wait post pill you're glad you came off before the wedding! How are the plans going by the way? Your dress looked georgeous. I have mega post wedding blues sad

Mcclairey have you had any more thoughts about speaking to your GP? I can't imagine how frustrated you're!

NicolaHazel Sun 17-Jun-12 13:25:07

I really feel for you and Echo, Maclairey :-(

Is there nothing you can do? Would Pinkie's recommended Vitex help?

Must be frustrating.

And no BFP here, no :-(

NicolaHazel Sun 17-Jun-12 13:28:39

Oh, and plans going fine, Newbie...kind of a lull at the moment waiting for RSVPs to come in and payment dates to come round!

Thank you for liking the dress. I love it more every time I try it on :-) Just my sister's bridesmaid dress to have made now. I got the sample for the material this week, so that's good to go. So not a total lull, ha ha!

And definitely glad I came off the pill early, yes!

EchoDragon Sun 17-Jun-12 14:39:16

Day 59 and counting. Thought AF would have shown by now. At least PMT has sod off!

Maclairey am so glad I have a long cycle buddy grin

Vitex has arrived so am going to start it. Don't feel it's likely I'm pg so it can't hurt.
Nicola bet your wedding will cone do quickly now.

Maclairey Sun 17-Jun-12 15:49:06

I know what you mean Echo it's good to know that someone else is going through it too. I don't blame you for starting the Vitex. I think I am going to give it a few more days and see if anything happens. Let me know how you get on.

On another note, I have just gone totally ballistic at DH for eating the last 3 bars of chocolate in one go and not thinking to ask me if I would have liked one. Maybe AF is on the way after all smile

NicolaHazel Sun 17-Jun-12 17:24:07

Spotted in a cheeky afternoon DTD, just in case I'm on a super long cycle with recent / imminent ovulation!

No doubt AF will appear tomorrow now! :-/

EchoDragon Sun 17-Jun-12 17:25:33

Maclairey that could have been me earlier on this week.grin

Am a little more chilled out now.

Newbie2 Sun 17-Jun-12 19:33:08

Nicola I know what you mean! I feel like even though the OV sticks are not showing me anything I still feel I need to try just in case it's a long long cycle!! smile

Pop I'm finally caving in and buying cheap OV sticks on amazon wink

NicolaHazel Sun 17-Jun-12 19:40:59

We've DTD quite regularly through the month, though we generally do anyway, even when we (I!) weren't TTC. From reading the board it seems that quite a few posters on here weren't having as much sex as I was, which I'm surprised at, as I thought we didn't have that much sex!!

We DTD on CDs 5, 6, 9, 12, 14, 15, 17, 20, 23 and 27. I would hope that's enough to catch an egg. Assuming there has been an egg to catch!

Once you've ovulated, how long is the egg viable for? Where is Guru?!

Newbie2 Sun 17-Jun-12 20:07:16

Nicola I think the egg lasts for approx 24hrs! I know the ov sticks say that once you have a LH surge you have a 3 day window to DTD as much as possible.

OK I've decided that I'm not going to buy anymore more OV sticks with lines from Superdrug. I can't be doing with the stress anymore of working out lines. I'm going to buy some CB smiley face OV sticks from Amazon. Just can't decide whether to wait 2 weeks so that I'm not wasting time. Yeah I think I'll wait two weeks.

Newbie2 Sun 17-Jun-12 20:08:50

Maybe in two weeks AF will arrive and I'll start using my CBFM. Or a BFP will arrive....ahh I would so love that! DH birthday is next week-end...keeping everything crossed that I can give him a special b'day surprise smile

NicolaHazel Sun 17-Jun-12 20:38:46

Awww...fx for you, Newbie, a birthday BFP would be fantastic for your DH :-)

I'd prefer not to wait for our birthdays (Nov and Dec!) and we have no more occasions til the wedding, so I'd just like ASAP please!

Let's hope we all get BFPs sooner rather than later :-)

DulcetMoans Sun 17-Jun-12 22:59:59

Right, I think thats me out for this month ladies. Think AF just caught me up. I hate her. So, onto the next cycle. If I try to count mine is this CD1 now? How does the counting work?

NicolaHazel Sun 17-Jun-12 23:01:35

Hi Dulcet

That's a bugger, sorry :-(

Yes, day one of proper AF bleed is CD1.

DulcetMoans Mon 18-Jun-12 08:48:39

Morning all. Ok, freaking out a little. Or maybe just confused. Went to bed yesterday thinking AF had caught me and looking towards next cycle but woken up to nothing. No more bleeding, just that bit last night. I've heard some people talk about 'implantation bleeding' but im not sure it can be this as I had a negative test two days earlier?

Other than that I guess it could be stress but I don't feel particularly stressed. Maybe body telling me to stop thinking about TTC! I'll see what happens by the end of the day but i'm usually pretty heavy.

(Sorry if TMI for breakfast time!)

redstrawberry Mon 18-Jun-12 08:58:04

Dulcet Did you get a light bleed (watery) last night or was it heavy and thick?

redstrawberry Mon 18-Jun-12 08:58:46

My mate who is pregnant had a watery pink implantation bleed.

DulcetMoans Mon 18-Jun-12 08:59:19

It was light, just thought it was the beginnings of AF. Not thick for sure.

redstrawberry Mon 18-Jun-12 09:05:53

When did you last POAS? Maybe you should do another one today. Those damn things are pretty accurate on the date AF is due.

I had a similar stop and start AF last month with two BFNs - got my hopes up and then they came crashing down.

But will keep my fx for you.

DulcetMoans Mon 18-Jun-12 09:14:14

Thanks redstrawberry. You're right, it's the best way to know. I will try in the morning, see if anything has changed. If not, assume it's just AF mucking about with me. She's a spiteful cow!

NicolaHazel Mon 18-Jun-12 09:35:41

Fx Dulcet :-)

Newbie2 Mon 18-Jun-12 09:35:57

Dulcet sounds like you're in limbo land sad Good news is your body is doing something! I guess you can be thankful that something is going on whether it's AF or a possible BPF. I will keep my TX for you.

I have slight backache and AF twinges going on...however I now believe that this is my mind playing tricks on me and I'm actually experiencing nothing...need to get stuck into work and distract myself today!

redstrawberry Mon 18-Jun-12 09:42:47

Just hate Mondays in work - so hard to concentrate.
I have sore boobs and some cramps. Felt a bit nauseous yesterday, but nothing else. Sounds very much like last months pre-AF symptoms sad

Getting mentally ready to join the July thread.

MissMedusa Mon 18-Jun-12 09:55:19

Dulcet from that information I wouldn't say you're out for this month. What CD are you on? It could well be implantation bleeding. Definitely POAS tomorrow and let us know how you get on. Fx for you.

SpanishLady Mon 18-Jun-12 13:12:23

good luck to everyone - I have to wait until November to start TTC #2 - its ages away!!!

DulcetMoans Mon 18-Jun-12 13:48:49

Hi medusa! Not sure on the cycle day as I haven't been counting and we've only just started TTC. I would be due this week, I know that. Trying not to read too much into it all at the moment symptom spot but I am a bit confused as to what is going on. I will POAS tomorrow morning and let you all know!

Popinda Mon 18-Jun-12 17:47:15

dulcet that would be brilliant if you get bfp! Fx for you! You have to let us know first think in the morning! grin so excited for you!
I'm going to get my bfp on Saturday, earliest! smile

DulcetMoans Mon 18-Jun-12 19:23:58

Thanks popinda! I am not convinced tomorrow is the day. Am suffering from reading too much on google. I have managed to convince myself it was and it wasn't in the space of 5 mins. Having this much information at your fingertips is a dangerous tool for people TTC!

Fingers crossed for you on Saturday. Can you hold out until then though...? Will you have a cheeky POAS Friday??!

Newbie2 Mon 18-Jun-12 20:56:03

What is wrong with me? Just brought 20 CB OV sticks because I lack any sort of patience what so ever! Could not wait two weeks like a normal person...I never knew TTC would cost me so much money! I also spent £20 on conception tablets at boots today, it was buy 3 packs get 1 free though!!

redstrawberry Mon 18-Jun-12 21:25:51

newbie you are not alone in the madness! I already bought the epo and conceive plus! I just hate this waiting period and just want to know!

NicolaHazel Mon 18-Jun-12 21:28:09

Yeah...waiting is shit!!

I'm on CD28 with a BFN yesterday, but no sign of ERTD coming either.

If I'm not up duffed, I just want AF now please!

Why does TTC make us all bonkers?

KFFOREVER Mon 18-Jun-12 21:33:07

Hi Ladies

Can you give me some advice please? Im on CD 16 now. On CD 10 I had dull ache on my lower abdomen but more to the right side this continued for a couple of days but now im experiencing that pain again. I experienced this for about 3 days last month on CD12 along came with it sore nipples. (sorry TMI). Is it possible to ovulate twice?

Newbie2 Mon 18-Jun-12 21:35:56

CD 36 for me! Nicola sorry for your BFN yesterday sad

I'm at home tomorrow so I would not be surprised if I wonder off to Wilkos to buy another cheapie £4 test

We've all gone looney for POAS!

Newbie2 Mon 18-Jun-12 21:37:29

Hi KFF as I understand it you can only ovulate once a month.

NicolaHazel Mon 18-Jun-12 21:40:33

I hope I don't get to CD36 without a BFP!! (Sorry, Newbie.)

Though I would have thought I'd be suffering cramps by now if ERTD was on the horizon.

I can't stop PIATH and dunking my cheapie £2.80 for 15 it's an inexpensive hobby. If rather disappointing! :-/

We really need to give ourselves a good talking to! ;-p