The All New TTC whilst Breastfeeding Support Thread

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haloflo Thu 17-May-12 12:52:09

Have a breastfed baby or toddler? Why not try for another one?! Who needs sleep anyway?

Come join us whether you are waiting for your first period in months or are are a few months into trying.

haloflo Thu 17-May-12 12:56:31

Hello! Is a quick intro ok as its a new thread?

I am haloflo and i'm TTC number 2. I am breastfeeding DD1 who is 13 months, mostly at night. I've just started cycle 3 and hoping to be 3rd time lucky.

Thinkingof4 Thu 17-May-12 14:09:51

Hi haloflo <waves>

Nice shiny new thread!!
I'm TTC no 4 and still feeding ds3 3 times a day plus overnight as required! He's almost a year old now and I am nearly 34 ( gulp) Ideally I would like to have my fourth and final baby before I hit 35.

I had my first AF since baby born just a week ago so only really starting TTC properly now. However I did conceive ds3 while feeding ds2 so I know it CAN be done

BR44 Thu 17-May-12 22:24:09

And hello from me. I am ttc no. 2 while bf my 20 mo DS. Usually feeding him morning, evening and once at night but a recent run of illness has rather sent this schedule to pot...

I am on cycle 5 and pretty disorganised in terms of understanding what my body is playing at, if I'm honest.

Thinkingof4 - 4 children by the time you're 35 is truly epic! Have you found a cheap place to buy extra hours in the day or something? Thanks for the book recommendation, by the way. I will look for it this week.

Thanks for starting the new thread haloflo! I'm off to bed now.

Pearla Thu 17-May-12 22:48:57

Can I join? I wasn't on the last thread but am BFing 16mo DS and got my period back at the end of last month so we've been TTC #2 in earnest this month! DS feeds quite a lot, we tend to co-sleep so still feeding during the night but luckily didn't need to feed less to have a period, although started TTC at the end of last year despite no signs of returning fertility back then. Have never charted or paid much attention to my cycle, have no idea whether I have ov this month or not but hoping for a BFP (ha!) or at least another period by the end of this month to keep things rolling. wink If we don't conceive #2 as easily as we did DS (ie, not entirely purposely!) I will start to try and do things 'properly' but bfing is definitely the curve ball here.

newyearsday Fri 18-May-12 10:56:05

Hello all, hope you don't mind me lurking around on your thread? We're ttc no2 and I stopped BFing recently. I loved BFing but I was aware I wasn't having any periods while BFing, so when DS showed signs he was ready to wean at 10mths I let it happen. I then had a period and started temping, ov'ed recently on day 31, so heading for a very long cycle. I'm 37, took ages to conceive DS with some fertility issues (one tube and small uterine fibroids which caused irregular periods) so hoping very much that having a baby has had a positive effect on my lady bits! Good luck to everyone ttc xx

haloflo Fri 18-May-12 17:00:57

Waves to thinkingof4 and BR44 from the old thread. smile

Pearla Welcome! Hoping your stay will be short and sweet. You may well be very lucky again! Do you think anything triggered the return of your period? (for those still waiting) My first cycle (after my first period) was very long at 7 weeks. Your DS is a little older than mine though so hopefully you will be regular (or be lucky enough to have 1 period in between babies!)

newyearsday Welcome! Hoping that weaning does the trick for you. My DD would never have given up at 10 mo but at the moment her interest (except at night) is waning so i'm taking advantage. It seems the gentlest way.

Thinkingof4 Fri 18-May-12 19:31:49

Welcome pearla and newyearsday
br44 ha epic, not really I know sooo many people with 3 so one extra doesn't sound too drastic grin

haloflo your cunning plan seems to have worked! wink

A proper thread again smile

BR44 Fri 18-May-12 21:33:17

Hello pearla and newyearsday! Fingers crossed that we all have good news to report sooner rather than later.

Hello! I guess you could say we've recently started TTC #2, although I don't think I'm fertile at the moment so not sure it counts!

I've got a 10 1/2 month old DS and would really love to have another baby next year. I'm hoping AF will come back in the near future, but am not willing to wean to achieve that. I might start trying to cut down some of the nighttime suckling soon though.

I've actually been feeling off and on like AF was trying to start over the past couple of months, but it never actually has. Has anyone else experienced that?

Pearla Sat 19-May-12 10:09:25

Hi all. Thanks for the welcome. smile

I am prepared for my cycles to be all over the place but secretly hoping they'll be normal because he's a bit older... but wishful thinking probably! Those bloody eBay cheapo tests are addictive so I'm trying really hard not to test before my period is "due" (because really, who knows when the hell it will turn up!).

halo I don't think anything triggered the return of my period actually - if anything he was feeding more because he was ill and off his food so it was most bizarre. About a week before it came I had sore nipples and various other symptoms and of course secretly hoped it could be because I was pg. Weirdly I had no cramps at all but in every other way it was a normal period so I'm hoping the lack of cramps doesn't mean lack of ov.

Hope all ladies here have a lovely, productive weekend. grin

Pearla Sat 19-May-12 10:13:07

Perpetual - I had this! It was around new year so DS about a year old. Felt really sluggish and crampy. My friend was staying with us and she was on her period - we used to live together and our cycles were always very much in sync so I wonder whether it was just that! Do you feel that anything triggers these feelings of possibly imminent AF?

Hi can I join?! Am bf ds who will be 2 next month. He only feeds at night, but am planning to stop bf soon. Have had enough, and would like a wee break before %232 comes along! This is our first month ttc!.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid Sat 19-May-12 21:56:07

I don't really belong here but can I join in?

Stopped bf at 13 months she is now 15 months. I have only just got my period back so am not sure what is going on fertility wise.

Would love to conceive no 2 but my chances are not good as my hormones are all over the place and dd severely reduces dtd opportunities.

looking forward to the first BFP on the thread

haloflo Sun 20-May-12 11:27:09

perpetual I defiantly got that feeling. I felt a bit off for ages, then suddenly AF arrived! Look out for your fertile signs and you never know you might catch the first egg.

pearla I get the sore nipples thing too. Maybe I always had it but when not breastfeeding I didn't notice? I was on the pill for years and it only took 6 months to conceive DD though so i'm not really sure what is normal for me. I wouldn't have thought lack of cramps was bad - maybe childbirth has helped make them less painful (i was promised this by my GP aged 16 when I wanted to go on the pill to cope with awful period pain)

Welcome cheeseandmushroomtoastie Whats your plan for weaning? Have your periods been back a while?

whenshewasbad I imagine there are a few people either trying to wean or have recently weaned who are in the same situation, I think its entirely appropriate you post here. I know what you mean about the baby getting in the way. Now ours is sleeping better in the evening I am planning a few early nights wink

AF has finished. I'm feeling good. (Meaning I really am suffering with PMS - this time last week I could cry/scream at any moment)

We did drop the bedtime feed for 2 days in a row but she wanted it Friday and Saturday, oh well - last night she slept pretty well (7-11 then 12-5 (she woke herself up) then 5-7) so maybe I need to stick with it for now.

Is anyone ovulating yet or testing soon?

Jakeyblueblue Sun 20-May-12 11:53:00

Hi, can I join in? I posted in the feeding section a couple of weeks ago about this! Have an 11 month ds who is a little guzzler at night! Goes most of the day without a feed but co sleeping and rooting every 2-3 hrs through the night!
No AF yet and wanting to get Preg before my work terms and conditions change in oct 2013 so I am entitled to a full paid years mat leave! Not prepared to wean but just starting to think about shaving down a few of the night feeds to see if this helps.
I know oct 2013 sounds like ages away but it took us quite some time first time round so wAnt to give ourselves the best chance!
On the plus side, have had very sore nipples this last two days for no reason at all so am hoping this is a sign that AF may be coming soon!
Good luck all!

Fraktal Sun 20-May-12 12:00:14

I posted a couple of times on the last thread but mostly lurked. We're TTC2, 13mo DS who has 3 big daytime feeds and a few night-time snacks, no periods, no idea whether I'm ovulating, no plans to wean and no strategy!

I have been feeling sluggish, snappish and crampy though so maybe AF is on her way back. I have no idea what's normal so reassuring to be around other people in the same boat.

Bit of background on me, ds was solely bf for first six months. My periods returned 4 weeks after I gave birth!!! I was fuming. Even had a rant at my doctor about it... They were regularly as clockwork until recently, when we decided to ttc again! Go figure! I have endo and one ovary too, and am over 32, so lets see what's happens as my body is very very unpredictable grin

Thanks for the welcome ladies! I'm glad I'm not alone in this weird feeling that AF might start. It seems to be linked to longer periods in between feedings, so I'm hoping it is my body trying to ovulate.

Sorry if this is TMI, but thought I'd ask those familiar with charting or using OPKs what they think. I haven't noticed much CM since DS was born, but the past couple of days have had a bit of what looks like EWCM. I used an OV stick this morning and got a faint line, which is technically negative, but I'm thinking maybe I'm about to ovulate? Better be nice to DH just in case wink.

How did everyone else get on this weekend?

Jakeyblueblue Mon 21-May-12 23:04:11

I too have had the EWCM in the last two week! Like you said, weird, because have had very little up to now. I only said to my mate today that I better Start being nice to dh! grin

Hi everyone! I have lurked and posted briefly on both the last thread for this, and the jsing thread as my ds3 is 7mths old, I am still bfing approx four times through the day, and 3-4 at night. I have had no af, and no idea what, if any cycle I have. I have been ttc/jsing for approx six weeks, and this morning got a BFP! (well, three to be precise). So now I don't belong on either thread, but just wanted to let all you know that it IS most definitely possible, and to wish you all the very best of luck!! smile

BR44 Tue 22-May-12 09:32:51

Hello all, just checking in. Checking my diary, I see that my last cycle was 42 days. At the moment I am on day 31 and no sign of AF. I tested a week ago because I was feeling so sick and odd and got a BFN (as expected). I am now intending to be a model of discipline and not test until at least day 40...

How's everyone else doing?

Pearla Tue 22-May-12 09:40:53

Congratulations LilBlonde. smile

Sore nipples yesterday/today, DS feeding all night and a bit whingy... I think AF is on its way. I'm pretty sure the hormonal change makes my milk a bit funny. This is what happened last month anyway.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid Tue 22-May-12 13:19:39

Wow littleblonde so happy for you and slightly jealous

Did you have any inkling you were ovulating? Congrats

Thanks pearla and horrid. I got one episode of ewcm, but I didn't pay it too much attention, as I honestly didn't expect anything to happen so quickly. I also got some light pink/brown discharge around the 27th April, so not sure of that was implantation? I really have NO idea where I'm at! blush

Thinkingof4 Tue 22-May-12 16:36:34

Wow contgrats lilblonde
that's great and very encouraging for the rest of us too!

Lots of new posters now, hello all, I'll need to have a wee catch up

Hi Thinking! I remember we spoke a while ago, as we both have three boys and were considering a fourth! Now it's your turn!! smile I can't help being a little nervous - I reckon I'm about five weeks, so the sickness, if it's going to come hasn't started yet, and I'll be breastfeeding until im at least five months gone. But, although it happened quicker than I ever expected, I'm really excited and so is dh (if a little apprehensive, lol). I just hope that it gives fellow bfers a bit of a boost, and some nice encouragement!

BR44 Tue 22-May-12 22:06:34

Congratulations LilBlonde! Your good news is really encouraging. Hope you're feeling okay.

Jakeyblueblue Wed 23-May-12 11:28:59

Yes congratulations grin very promising news, although I am thrilled to say I got my first AF this morning! Must have been right about the sore nipples and the ewcm! Have never been so pleased to have a period in all my life! Think I am going to give myself a few cycles before starting to try in earnest though! wink

Hi everyone, I think I'm joining this thread although I keep having moments when I'm really not sure whether I"m doing the right thing. Have one DD, 10.5 months, no periods yet, have been hoping number 2 would just come along without us having to make too much of an effort but that's starting to look less and less likely. Still BF at least 4 times per day and anything from 1-4 times per night, usually cosleep too. Not willing to start weaning at all yet as I was hoping to let DD self wean when she's ready, although have been giving the cot a try recently as her current favourite things to do all night are alternately feed, pinch mummy's nipples and try to kick mummy out of the bed!

newyearsday Thu 24-May-12 10:15:11

Hello again, thanks for making me feel welcome, and congratulations lilblonde!

I'm hoping to be nearing the end of my longest cycle ever, now on day 41. I've just totted up the days of ewcm (I'm charting) I've had this cycle and I had it for 17 days on and off. My body took it's time gearing up to ov! And I think we missed ov day afterall - doh! Hopefully will start AF in the next week and my next cycle will be shorter.

Must dash, supposed to be packing for holiday not mn'ing wink

Hope there's some more BFPs while we're away!

Thinkingof4 Thu 24-May-12 12:05:09

Hi lilblonde yes I remember you from another thread, it's funny how many of us mums with 3 boys there are!! V exciting for you, it will be a small gap but I'm sure the hard work will pay off when they are big enough to play together. I'm hoping for a gap close to 2 years will be possible but we'll just see what happens!

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid Thu 24-May-12 12:12:05

lilblonde congratulations, so pleased for you and congrats to jakey good to know your body is getting back on track.

Jakeyblueblue Thu 24-May-12 21:41:55

Hmmmm. Not so excited as I was! The bleeding seems to have stopped today! Not sure what's going on now! Was it spotting or AF? Confused! Think I might try getting some ovulation sticks. Any reccomendations?

Thinkingof4 Fri 25-May-12 19:26:43

Hi jakey
very confusing when your body plays tricks on you. I had one day of spotting then nothing for another 32 days (my normal cycle length) then proper AF. Maybe same thing will happen to you but either way it def means AF isn't far away now!

Pearla Fri 25-May-12 23:38:27

Ughhh no AF yet and the niggly cramps are waning. sad Some kind of extended cycle I guess, I was scared this would happen. Or it was a one-off period. Is that even possible?! I don't think I've ovulated though, I have had literally NO signs of anything. But then why would I have pre-menstrual feelings? Such hard work! Wish I could just "fall" pregnant without even noticing like last time!

haloflo Sat 26-May-12 14:49:55

Hello all! I've been on my holidays this last week but home now with an exhausted baby. She is catching up on some sleep at the moment so I thought I'd catch up on my sleep (instead of putting the washing out)

Holiday was brill but tiring. And we managed to pick up the 5pm and 7pm feed again, doh. Is anyone's else's baby waking up and feeding loads due to the heat? I'm hoping my newly purchased 1 tog sleeping bag will help things tonight.

No chance of DTD whilst away but no signs of ov yet either so hopefully we can get on it this week.

lilblonde Congratulations! It can be done smile

jakeyblue Welcome. Sorry to hear that your body is being confusing. Spotting could be a light AF or maybe ovulation bleeding if you ever had that? For ovulation sticks I just head to amazon or ebay for cheapie dip stick ones. I just paid £7.50 for 50 OPKS and 5 pg test - perfect if you like obsessing!

Ooh best go DD is stirring - I'll try to catch up more later.

Jakeyblueblue Sat 26-May-12 17:40:05

Wow am going to get on amazon and get some! Didn't realise they would be that cheap and yes, my ds has been on the boob constantly with the heat! wink

Pearla Sun 27-May-12 00:36:04

My DS wants constant boobage because of the heat as well. He can drink perfectly well from his cup but he prefers milk. Guess that's the point of it!

Just as a sidenote (for me more than anything) all AF symptoms have gone. Nipples are no longer feeling tender, definitely no more cramps. A bit peed off and disappointed with my body! I was so excited about getting my period back, now I'm just confused and annoyed. sad

haloflo Sun 27-May-12 11:03:48

Pearla Boo, I hate the limbo feeling, even a couple of cycles in i've no idea if I will ovulate any time soon or not.

DD was awful again last night. She didn't even want milk (or water - fat chance of that) - just cuddles. Not sure if the holiday made her overtired or if its just the heat. She's already been asleep an hour and a half this morning. Going to give her a lazy day to try and catch up on lost sleep. Even babies need pj days don't they? My DP works Sundays so its just us two at home today.

highheels Waves from old thread(s!) Sorry to hear you are struggling with sleep. I just keep thinking - I will cope and it will be worth it. And surely by aged 2 they will sleep through the night....!??

Frakiosaurus Sun 27-May-12 11:31:37

TMI time

I have no idea what's going on with my discharge. Last week I had loads but it wasn't EWCM, more creamy? And now I have nothing. Literally dry as a bone. I've had discharge since shorty after DS started solids but it's been pretty constant. These are the first changes I've noticed and I'm not sure what to make of them.

Jakeyblueblue Sun 27-May-12 22:57:12

No nor me. It's all over the place! angry

Thinkingof4 Mon 28-May-12 20:20:00

Well since it's TMI time I just had some streaky blood mid cycle which I assume is ovulation bleeding! Never had that before!! Bizarre how your body changes all the time. Don't know whther to dtd or not as I'm considering a new job so might have to delay TTC till I start there (if I take it) confused
I'm actually quite pleased weather has cooled down as ds3 has been horrendous last few nights, up every hour last night,then up for the day at 5.15! His room is much cooler tonight so fx he (and all the other babies) sleep better tonight!!

haloflo Wed 30-May-12 14:34:50

How exciting about a new job thinking do you work now? Would this be a change?

frak I think (no expert!) that creamy cm is fertile cm but not as fertile as EWCM so maybe you did ovulate but it wasnt a very fertile cycle? It sounds very frustrating.

Things are on track here, EWCM started Monday. An almost positive opk today. DTD Monday and planning on an early night wink

Hooray for cooler weather, it's actually really nice out today.

BR44 Fri 01-Jun-12 07:56:24

Glad to hear things are going to plan haloflo! You sound like a woman on a mission.

AF arrived 4 days ago so at least I know where I am now. I have ordered some ov tests and the fertility book kindly recommended by thinkingof4 and am determined that this will be the month. I'm getting all military.

frak and jakeyblueblue - EWCM baffles me. I think I have it sussed then a week later it's back again, so who knows.....!

Congratulations LilBlonde! It's nice to have proof that this can happen smile

I'm another one who's not sure what my body's doing. I had a few days of EWCM last week and got some SWI in, so that's promising, but I honestly don't feel PG so don't have very high hopes. I'll try to wait another week before POAS as it's pointless before then!

How's everyone else getting on?

catdoctor Fri 01-Jun-12 14:32:10

Hello all, can I join please?

DS is 22 months, feeding 1-2 times at night. I'm 44, no period yet, though things are 'developing'. My chances of another baby are so slim, I resent every week there's no sign of activity, but can't bring myself to wean.

Positive vibes appreciated! Can you fill me in on OPKs - isn't too late to DTD once you've got a positive?

Ta!

haloflo Fri 01-Jun-12 14:49:48

I am on a mission BR44! I just hope im not disappointed.

Perpetual EWCM is good, fingers crossed. When do you think you'll test? If no AF before 13/14 dpo, I think I'll test then. That will be 12 June.

catdoctor Welcome! With OPKs as soon as you get a positive I think you usually ovulate within 12-36 hours but according to baby centre, 12 hours before isn't the best time.

Stats stolen from baby centre about chances of getting pregnant each cycle:

four per cent if you have sex five days before ovulation
15 per cent if you have sex four days before ovulation
25 per cent to 28 per cent if you have sex one or two days before ovulation
eight per cent to 10 per cent if you have sex within 24 hours of ovulation.

Good luck!

Out of interest is it just night times you feed at?

So I studied the OPK on Wednesday and I reckon it was close enough to positive. Last cycle they they like that and AF arrived so that just might by how my positives look. Thursday brought sore nipples, my usual ov sign so i reckon that was my ovulating day or 1 dpo. We DTD at the right time, all there is to do is sit back at wait.

BR44 Fri 01-Jun-12 19:34:54

Those are interesting stats. Makes me smile at how horribly paranoid I was about NOT getting pregnant in my twenties...!

Elsabean Fri 01-Jun-12 21:32:48

Hello!
May I join aswell? Have a 12 month old who is being BF morning, evening (and sometimes during the night) and also in the day once/twice when he isn't in nursery. AF returned last week - so want to start to TTC #2 in earnest now. Would love some suggestions on how best to figure out ovulation etc.

Hello all,
Just saw this thread and wanted to say I was on a ttc while bf thread a year ago. I dropped day feeds at 8.5 months, mostly as DD wouldn't feed if anything at all could possibly distract her, and latched really badly in the day so i ended up with mastitis twice (agony!) . It had the added bonus of restarting my periods. I concieved my twins when DD was 10 months after 2 periods. No idea when I ovulated etc, we went for The Shagathon approach and dtd every day for a million years it felt like 2.5 weeks, just in case. And ta dah!! I now have three beautiful children, fed DD morning, night and if she woke in the night until she was nearly 15 months and i was 16 weeks pg (too painful to continue).

So it can.be done!!! Go forth and reproduce while bf your Lo smile smile

Oh, and now.I'm ebf my 8 week old twins smile

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid Sat 02-Jun-12 09:34:07

Thanks for sharing dreaming. You must be so busy with a toddler and ebf twins [round of applause].

I ended up taking dd off the breast at 13 months old as I just wasn't getting my periods back even though she was down to just one feed a day at 4pm.

Am currently 7dpo and not too optimistic. My last period, also the first since giving birth, had a really short lp of just 11 days so I think my body still needs to reset itself.

Thinkingof4 Sat 02-Jun-12 15:07:33

Lots more new people on here since last time welcome all! And hats off to peaceful!!
haloflo yes I do work but this new job would be 2.5 days instead of 1.5. They have offered me a shortish contract which I will probably accept. However just to confuse me my current boss has now said I can stay on another 2 years there if I want so a tricky decision will have to be made. Current job gives me security but new job is more hours and money and maybe better prospects if they kept me on beyond the first 6 months, so very tricky. confused
So lucky to have the choice I suppose! grin

Anyway def no swi for me till I know what I'm doing, dh is away so I haven't been able to discuss with him

catdoctor Mon 04-Jun-12 08:22:24

Morning!

Just started using fertility friend - 11 days into first 'cycle' - no period to start things off. I'm very suspicious I have ovulated , how long does it take for the program to start 'noticing' things?

Any old hands out there?

Jakeyblueblue Tue 05-Jun-12 09:41:21

Hi everyone, has been two weeks since I last posted and since the one day of bleeding that I had and this morning I have ewcm! I am Hoping this means that the one day of bleeding was indeed AF and now I have ovulated on time. smile god knows lol!
Welcome to all the new posters since I was last here. Hope to see some positive tests before long grin

BR44 Tue 05-Jun-12 13:41:10

Dreamingofpeace that's brilliant! Congratulations on your twins. Isn't there some evidence that women who are bf when they conceive are more likely to have twins or have I made that up?

Catdoctor, what's Fertility Friend?

Good news Jakeyblueblue!

Nothing new to report from me. My last AF started 9 days ago so I'm waiting for my ov tests to arrive in the post so I can see what's going on this month!

Thinkingof4 Tue 05-Jun-12 18:21:28

catdoctor
I'm not sure tbh, it certainly picks things up if there is spotting or AF to help, but I'm not sure other than that. Are you temping? I'm pretty sure it would pick a pattern up from that. Let us know, it is an interesting question!!
I'm wondering whether I might disappear for a month or two actually. I've accepted a new job starting September so will probably hold off TTC for a wee while till I see how that goes. I might pop in from time to time to see how everyone is going. I want to see lots of BFP's ladies!!

catdoctor Tue 05-Jun-12 21:33:06

Dreaming I am in awe of your peacefulness! Aren't women fab.

Thinking I am temping - all over the place, which I suppose answers question since no thermal shift yet

Brrrr (it's cold enough for a fire tonite) Fertility Friend is free on-line gismo to help you identifty time of ovulation. Loads of useful info.

Any recommendations on which OPKs to try?

Any recommendations on gaining the will to DTD when DH being irritating arse?!

haloflo Wed 06-Jun-12 12:33:38

catdoctor No advice on irritating DHs, lol! I just got cheapie opks from eBay, but other people prefer the smilie face clear blue or supermarket own ones as there is no doubt to weather they are postive or not. I like the quality though, means I can poas every day even during long long cycles.

I think it's wont pin point ovulation until 3 higher temps have been recorded so you won't know until it's too late. I dallied with it when TTC #1 but am staying away this time as it was the route to madness for me.

BR44 I've heard the twin thing too, apparently due to our unpredictable broken bodies..

thinkingof4 Fab news about the Job, we will do our best to get BFPs! Hope to see you soon x

6/7 dpo now and no news, no symptoms but feeling less hormonal than last month which is a good thing. Hopefully things are settling down for me on that front.

DD is sleeping a little better, waking just twice last 3 nights. However she now wont go to bed til late and wants to take mammoth naps. She woke at 7 this morning so hopefully will go to bed about 8 as we were both having awesome lie ins over the jubilee weekend.

Thinkingof4 Mon 11-Jun-12 19:52:51

Blimey I only went away for a few days and everyone has disappeared!!
Anyway just popped back as my cycle has gone a bit weird and just wondering if same has happened to anyone else- I did have a few days at jubilee time where ds3 ended up in bed with me feeding a fair bit and wondering if maybe this has delayed ovulation? Was expecting AF today at the latest. Now slightly panicking about dtd at the weekend without contraception as I assumed it was 'safe'
Mind you if I am pregnant I'd assume it was fate and be delighted anyway. Not sure if my new employers would feel the same though confused

haloflo Mon 11-Jun-12 21:58:27

Guessing you have tested thinking? I think if bfn now then you might be best testing in a couple of weeks in no AF by then. These things happen, probably more likely when timing would be off!

No AF here, am 12 dpo ish. Either longest LP yet or...

Too scared to test, at least til I'm late.

newyearsday Tue 12-Jun-12 09:49:55

Hi again,

My 1st cycle pp ended up being 44 days. Now on CD17 of 2nd cycle and looks like I ov overnight, will have to wait and see if temp stays high. I use fertilityfriend too, my charts are here if anyone wants to see www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2fae6a I'm still having ewcm for ages before ov but it's an improvement on 1st cycle when I had 17days of ewcm. I use One Step ov sticks, really cheap from Amazon. I used them every 3hrs or so yesterday and could see the line getting darker through the day. Managed to time the bd better this time so fingers crossed...

Good luck to those testing soon!

catdoctor Tue 12-Jun-12 11:08:18

Hello all,

getting fed up here - DS 23months now, 1 scanty feed at night, I've had months of crampings, bloatings, random heavy EWCM at 2-3 week intervals, nausea, light headedness - preg test last week negative, still no AF. Getting bored waiting for things to kick into touch.

Perhaps I'm going to head straight into menopause (I'm44) - all other BFing mothers I know have started cycling now with younger DCs/more feeds. Now started getting anxious something sinister going on.

Supportive noises pleeaassee!

catdoctor Tue 12-Jun-12 11:09:21

Sorry, that was self-centered. Fingers crossed for everyone's plans/hopes!!

newyearsday Tue 12-Jun-12 13:26:20

Hi catdoctor it's only 23mths since your last pg so I'm sure you're not heading into menopause! But it's very confusing and frustrating not knowing what's going on inside. In my antenatal group I was also the only one not having periods while BFing. If your last ewcm was 2-3wks ago you may well be pg?

Thinkingof4 Tue 12-Jun-12 15:05:16

haloflo ooh exciting, fx! I haven't actually tested yet as I think chance of bfp is extremely low! Day 34 now but i have once had a 35 day cycle before (annoying when you are TTC as its another week 'lost' each cycle!

catdoctor how frustrating! Is your wee one showing any signs of wanting to wean?

newyearsday I'm not really that great on charts but you def have thermal shift I think so at least you are ovulating!!
I really ought to start temping again so I had a better idea what's going on! confused

I'll wait another few days and I'm sure AF will appear! If not I'll be back! grin

BR44 Tue 12-Jun-12 20:12:26

haloflo that is seriously exciting! I have numerous body parts crossed for you. When are you planning on testing?

Loud supportive noises in everyone else's direction too. I really want one of us to have some happy news soon! Catdoctor, I am sure NYD is right about the menopause - seems very unlikely to me.

I did my first opk today, day 17 in to my cycle. My last cycle was 35 days, so today was when the kit advised I start testing. Just got a very faint line, so we'll see what it looks like over the next few days. Now, on a scale of 1 to 10 how disgusting is it to keep them in my diary for highly scientific comparison purposes? I'm thinking 9.5 but sod it, I'm going to do it anyway...

BR44 Tue 12-Jun-12 20:17:02

newyearsday, just read your post properly - I'm using the same cheapy tests from Amazon! Good idea about testing throughout the day to confirm that you're ovulating - I hadn't thought of that. Fingers crossed for you!

haloflo Tue 12-Jun-12 20:46:40

Thanks - i'm so very nervous of early testing after a chemical pregnancy just before I conceived DD, I keep thinking my mum didn't have HPTs, she just had to wait! (In reality I might test at the weekend!)

BR44 That made me laugh! I literally got one darker, then a positive, otherwise really faint so you might be best DTD anyway! I tended to test after work, or late afternoon. Afternoon is the best time though I believe. I never tested more than once a day though!

newyearsday Hope that temp stays high and a BFP follows in a couple of weeks!

catdoctor We all need to vent sometimes. Have you been to the GP? And agree, do a test as you never know.

thinking Fx to you too!

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid Tue 12-Jun-12 22:53:27

Hi haloflo I can definitely recommend waiting till the weekend till testing. I got a faint positive hpt on Saturday (was in France and only had one). Got all excited then when I tested again on Monday it was a bfn.

To rub salt into the wound af still hasn't arrived. I thought you were meant to get your period on time (or only a bit late) with a chemical pregnancy.

Sorry to sound so sad having a bit of a woe is me moment.

As of tomorrow I will be looking on the bright side, am releasing eggs, dh's swimmers are doing well, it just didn't stick but one will soon.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid Tue 12-Jun-12 22:57:47

newyear and BR44 I think I use the same cheap opks from amazon. grin

I also got a bit obsessed with them and was peeing on them every 5 hours. To be fair it worked the (faint) BFP just didn't stick around.

Hope you guys have better luck. Fx

BR44 Wed 13-Jun-12 08:50:18

Very sorry to hear that whenshewasbad. I sometimes think hpts turn us in to our own worst enemies in terms of raising expectations. Fingers crossed for next time. I predict I will also be sadly addicted to the opks by the end of the week!

haloflo - I was thinking the same thing. Seems a bit silly to wait for a little strip to tell me what to do when I could just HAVE SEX ALOT because SEX GETS YOU PREGNANT.

Thinkingof4 Wed 13-Jun-12 18:19:57

whenshewasbad is AF late? Maybe if it doesn't arrive then test again in a few days. I would have thought CP = bleeding so maybe if no bleeding there is still a chance. I hope things work out for you

Well I gave in and poas, but as I expected it was bfn. Still no AF so this cycle is now 35 days and counting. I did have weird pink spotting mid cycle which I thought was maybe due to ovulation but now I'm wondering if that was AF and I just had a really short cycle. confused. So more waititng for me to see what is going on

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid Wed 13-Jun-12 22:08:43

Hi thinking thanks for the message. I have been getting BFNs since Monday so def not pregnant. Am on another conception thread as well as this one and some of the ladies there had chem pregs and they were late for their period too. I think normally af arrives on time but sometimes it takes a while to start up.

On a much brighter note af has just arrived this evening. I feel tones better, am a bit of a control freak and hate not knowing where I am in my cycle.

Sorry your cycle is going a bit haywire it is so frustrating. It could be anything a light af, late ovulation (even a cp). Hope it settles down soon.

Thinkingof4 Thu 14-Jun-12 11:58:42

Thanks whenshewasbad
I'm glad your AF has now arrived so at least you know where you are

Jakeyblueblue Thu 14-Jun-12 19:59:28

Help mummy's! Have lost the plot lol! I posted a couple of weeks ago after I had what I thought was my first AF whilst still bf my ds round the clock, but it lasted only a day and I thought it may have just been a bit of spotting. My plan was to wait and see what happened. I kind of think I know when I ovulate by cm and other symptoms so I thought I would soon tell if it was AF or not. Anyway, smack on 14 days past the one day bleed, I got ewcm and cramping so dtd x 1. Now I am obsessed with wether I am preggo or not! It's driving me mad, despite the fact I know it's highly unlikely! Am laughing at myself really coz actually, theres no real rush! Am just sooooo ridiculously broody!
It's like before I had ds! Keep googling what are probably imaginary symptoms, despite the fact I had none in the two week wait for bfp with ds! Even did a pound shop test this am at only 8dpo which was ridiculously too early. aargggghhhhh! Am going mad! Lol! grin
Please tell me I Am not the only one that is this mental! blush

haloflo Sun 17-Jun-12 08:17:14

wasshewasbad So sorry about your cp, hopefully you will fall again soon and it will be a sticky one.

thinking any sign of AF yet?

jakeyblue Bless you, just try to keep busy I think is best. I too get obsessed but then a couple of days out with DD and a couple of days at work and suddenly a week has passed and it's testing time or a new cycle.

Anyway ladies, I have news. I got a BFP yesterday! I suspected I was pg but am nervous of testing too soon. I'm still only 4+5 so a long way to go but fingers crossed.

Still feeding 3 plus times a day (evening and night) so it can be done. I am not going anywhere yet as too nervous to check out AN groups. Hope that's ok. xx

BR44 Sun 17-Jun-12 20:00:20

Ooohhhhh haloflo I am SO SO pleased for you! That's wonderful news and very encouraging for the rest of us! You must be thrilled to bits.

At my end, the stupid OPKs are thoroughly baffling me. The first one I did at CD17 was faint but noticable but since then the lines have been practically invisible. The kit suggested starting testing on CD 18 for a 35 day cycle (my last was 35 days) so I find it hard to believe I've missed ovulation completely, especially as I still have CM (increasing every day) and I haven't had any one-sided abdominal cramping, which I usually have to a greater or lesser extent. So I'm hoping it's still to come, albeit a bit later than I expected.... Although I'm in a bit of a grotty mood with DP at the moment so really don't much feel like DTD, but hey ho.

Anyway massive congratulations again haloflo! Please do stay on the thread for a while yet and keep us all posted on developments. What's your due date looking like?

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid Sun 17-Jun-12 21:32:45

haloflo grin grin grin

Can't believe I am just hearing about this. So pleased for you.

BR44 I normally ov on cd16 ish pre dd days on my last cycle I ovulated on day 21. Maybe you will ov late, it could be a bf think with the hormones being a bit mental

jakey no it's not just you am going mad too. smile

Thinkingof4 Sun 17-Jun-12 21:57:41

YAAY haloflo
I had a feeling you were going to get a BFP!! Thats so great, I am really pleased for you grin

still no AF here but I really don't think I am pregnant just wonky periods

newyearsday Mon 18-Jun-12 10:07:33

Congrats haloflo wonderful news! You must be over the moon.

whenshewasbad sorry to hear about the cp, hope you're ok x

bb44 sounds like your body is gearing up but it hasn't happened just yet. Hurry up ov!

jakey how are things today? Hope you've not sent yourself bonkers with the waiting...

I'm 7dpo and in the last few days I've been having mild cramps and twinges, feels like something is happening down there. I have a 15 day luteal phase so will do everything in my power to wait and test on day period is due. Ages to wait!!!

haloflo Mon 18-Jun-12 20:58:57

Thank you all, I am delighted, shocked and very nervous. Due date would be 19 Feb according to the due date calculator and as this cycle was going to be a short one I guess that's about right.

BR44 What CD are you now? Could you have a short luteal phase like I did when my cycles first came back? I forget what cycle you are on? So it might be CD25/26 when you ov?

thinking Boo to the wonky period, and thank you! smile

newyears Best of luck!

BR44 Wed 20-Jun-12 08:16:27

Today is CD25 and it's my 5th cycle. haloflo, you could be right about the short LP. Hope not too short though... The ov test was definitely darker yesterday, so I'm feeling a little less hostile to the bloody sticks.

Newyearsday - sounds promising! Keep us posted.

Just noticed that DS has wedged large chunk of squishy peach down the side of the sofa. Must dash.

Thinkingof4 Thu 21-Jun-12 13:13:46

Hi all AF has appeared at last- 42 day cycle!! Anyone else having very erratic cycle or is it just me?
Br44 any news? What's your normal cycle length?

Jakey any news?
Good luck new years day!

specialhero Thu 21-Jun-12 21:34:24

Hello all

Have only skimmed this thread sorry, hope that you all get good news soon.

I'd sort of like to join you, but we can't ttc in anger atm because of meds dh is on sad maybe next month. Still, I'm signed up to fertility friend and I'm trying to keep track of cycle so that I'm prepared if we can start next month or one after. It's all a bit of a long shot really, I'm 42 so don't have much time left. DS, just turned 2, is still v keen on bm. So much so that I've found it really difficult this week to get a 3 hour stretch of sleep to take temp after. We do co-sleep and he's been a bit ill this week so less settled than usual, but this does happen every now and again.

Does anyone else have this problem? Does anyone know if it's better to take temp after the longest stretch of sleep or at the same time every day?

BR44 Fri 22-Jun-12 07:51:27

CD27 and I have just got a smiley face on the Clearblue OPK that a kind (already pregnant) friend donated to me. I have also had sensitive nipples since last night and have a heavy dragging sensation in the right side of my abdomen RIGHT NOW. I really thought ov had occurred quietly a few days ago so am a bit surprised.

And bloody DP has gone in to work early.

Because I've been feeling symptoms since last night I'm worried that if I leave sex until this evening the moment will have passed. I am seriously considering popping DS in his buggy and stalking DP to work in the hope of finding a quiet corner or a roomy disabled toilet. Is this the behaviour of a MENTAL person???? It is, isn't it?

My last cycle was 35 days so if that's the case again this month it'll be a pointless venture anyway, but my previous two cycles were 41 days, so there is hope that I could have a long enough LP if I time it right today....

What would you do people? If we had dtd yesterday I wouldn't be so worried, but the last time we did was Wednesday morning.

Hello specialhero. I completely relate to what you're saying! I don't usually co-sleep with my 21mo but he's still a real milk beast when under the weather. I haven;t been temping though, so can't advise on that sorry.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid Fri 22-Jun-12 09:03:27

BR44 lol at stalking your dh to work and finding a quiet corner.

If you have ovulated right now the egg should still be ok this evening. What time does your dh get home?

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid Fri 22-Jun-12 09:05:33

special sorry I don't temp mainly because I co sleep with dd. Could you try opks instead?

BR44 Fri 22-Jun-12 09:22:23

Okay, the mania has died down. He gets home between 6-7 so I will launch myself at him then. And the poor thing thought he was off duty for a few nights!

I will save the stalking behaviour for a few months down the line if I'm still trying then....

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid Fri 22-Jun-12 09:28:28

BR44 glad you have calmed down, I was afraid you were going to resort to grabbing some random bloke off the streets just kidding

thinking before dd I always ovulated on cd16 or cd17 with very regular periods. Cycle just getting back to normal and I ovulated on cd22, stupidly late. So I don't think you are on your own.

maples Fri 22-Jun-12 09:40:18

Hi ladies, just marking my place and lovely to see Bfps grin congratulations ladies!

Still no AF here - DS is almost a year and I will be 38 next birthday so do want to crack on sad

I'm reluctant to reduce the bf - ideally wanted him to self wean, but dh and i have decided we will reconsider options once he is 13 / 14 months. at the moment DH is pretty unwell and taking heavy duty medication so I don't think he'd be up to swi anyway and I'm a bit worried about the impact of so much medication on his swimmers. We've already had one mc before conceiving DS sad and I want to do everything possible to avoid another.

So at the moment our plan (tentative) is wait until 13 / 14 months for DS and hopefully AF will return and DH will get well smile

Will lurk here in the meantime if ok with all of you ladies grin

specialhero Fri 22-Jun-12 23:07:22

BR44 hope you got lucky wink
WhenSheWasBad, I have some OPK's, the plan is to use both, I'm excited to see if I do actually still ovulate.
Maples, fwiw my AF came back at 14 months for no apparent reason, except, perhaps, that DS did start eating more solid food around then and sleeping for a good stretch more often. Commiserations re your DH's health.

newyearsday Tue 26-Jun-12 19:02:06

Hello again,

15dpo today and I got a bfp this morning! I suspected I was cos there's only one other time in my life I've felt like this (sooooo tired, nausea, hungry, thirsty, etc..) and ds arrived some time later.

Really happy and nervous. Very early days so just taking it a day at a time.

Fingers crossed for more bfps. Good luck everyone! x

maples Tue 26-Jun-12 23:35:15

Congratulations new year grin

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid Wed 27-Jun-12 07:41:32

Wow BFP. Congratulations new years day.

Looks like you were right about the twinges and cramps. grin

newyearsday Wed 27-Jun-12 10:02:16

Thank you maples and when. I'm feeling strangely calm (after the stress of the 2ww), just concentrating on ds and getting through each day. Hope you guys get your bfp soon.

Thinkingof4 Wed 27-Jun-12 10:36:20

Well done newyearsday that's great news grin
how long were you TTC for?

Jakeyblueblue Wed 27-Jun-12 11:50:55

Been busy sitting an exam the last week or so but am pleased to come back to find that we have had two bfp's! Congrats haloflo and new years, what lovely news!
Well I got a bfn as suspected! But was thrilled to get another bleed this month instead. Was 28 days after the last one so am hoping that AF is well and truly back. Still very light though, nothing like how they were before so Have ordered some opk's from eBay and my next move is to see if I am actually ovulating. If I am, then we can get cracking lol!
How's everyone else going? grin

haloflo Wed 27-Jun-12 13:15:50

Huge congrats to newyearsday! - wishing you all the best over the next 8 months.

BR44 - hope you caught DP at the right time and will be joining the grads soon.

jake excellent news about becoming more regular and good luck with OPKs, I found them really useful though addictive

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid Wed 27-Jun-12 13:28:27

Jake if your periods are regular there is a really good chance you are ovulating. I love opks (I just love peeing on sticks, they are so addictive).

Just got a positive opk today on cd 15. It was cd21 last month and I am so not prepared for it. We haven't dtd at all this month, will have to get on with shagging tonight. Don't think this will be the month for us but you never know dd was I one hit wonder so will keep fx.

BR44 Fri 29-Jun-12 08:31:59

Congratulations newyearsday!! What brilliant news. I do hope you're coping okay with the knackeration of the early days of pg combined with the knackeration of a toddler!

I am 7 dpo today. Have a strong feeling that I am not pregnant, but I know it's too early to tell yet. I'm just really hoping that I get a decent length LP so that I can be confident next month that there are no physical obstacles. This has been the first month when I can say with confidence exactly when I ov'd, so I'm really interested to find what kind of schedule things are running to in there!

Sounds like things are all moving in the right direction jakeyblueblue. Like me, I guess you just have to be a bit patient now. Boring, isn't it?!

Howe are you feeling haloflo?

BR44 Fri 29-Jun-12 08:33:52

Whenshewasbad - only just noticed your last post. Hope you got to him in time...!

TizzyNo1 Fri 29-Jun-12 13:03:45

Hello, can I join please please please?! smile DS is 20 months and a boob addict. AF came back when he was 11 months and I thought whoo-hoo, but after trying a few times (a bit half heartedly / guiltily / what the hell am I doing??ly) I actually got preg a few weeks back then had a v early MC. V horrid. I had a v early (chemical preg) and missed MC before DS born so threw me this time - I (stupidly) thought all would be well now we had one in the bag sad. Anyway, at least I can get preg (hurrah) but not sure I can keep (boo hiss). Consultant advised taking low dose aspirin (did with DS), poss heparin and progesterone (although he thinks hokum). He said all are safe for DS. But, he did point out several times how we're putting ourselves at disadvantage, shouldn't I just wean etc etc. I know DS isn't ready (nor am I) so not an option. Also takin things day by day but not averse to tandem feeding (if I ever get that far!) - is anyone else up for it? Am terrified but need to follow my heart....I think. I do panic though at the thought of how the heck I'll manage - that's me, worry pants, and I can't even get off the starters block! Soz for long intro, but hopefully will latch on (boom boom) to some support here - feeling like I really need it (sick of rod for own back comments, especially from pregnant 'friends') xx

Thinkingof4 Fri 29-Jun-12 20:48:00

Hi tizzy sorry to hear about your losses.
How much is your ds feeding? Lots of us (including me with ds3) got pregnant while still feeding so I don't think you are necessarily putting yourself at a disadvantage by still feeding.
Are you on aspirin now then? Presume that's ok when you are feeding and will hopefully help you get a sticky one next time

What age are you? <nosey>
If you still have plenty of time I would keep feeding till you are ready to stop smile

TizzyNo1 Fri 29-Jun-12 21:50:42

Hey! He currently has morning boob, before dinner boob, before bed boob and in the night boob (lunch boob and in the bath boob have not been requested for a few days ;)). Long feeds, he loves it, often during the night. The aspirin is low dose -75mg- which nhs guidance says is ok if your doc says so. You start taking it once preggo so not on now and unsure whether will take ifit happens...bit apprehensive still. Thanks for your condolences smile. Life eh? I would love DS to wean 100% at his own pace, hence tandem feeding thoughts, as I can't wait that long - am (gulp) 38 sad. Not going to even consider weaning for a good while yet, only if we get desperate. Just keep hoping it won't come to that! Congrats to you, and brilliant to hear success stories! How old was the bubba you were feeding when you got preggo? Did / are you taking the tandem route?

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid Fri 29-Jun-12 22:22:24

BR44 thanks. I think I got to him in time. Got positive opk on Wed and dtd that night. The opks were still positive at 11pm thursday night (but neg Friday morning). So we dtd again this afternoon just in case the egg puts in a late appearance. Not actually holding out much hope this month as very little ewcm so I don't think the body is up for it this month.

Also re feeling you are not pregnant, doesn't mean a thing in my book, you won't have any symptoms yet anyway.

tizzy sorry for your losses. They must have been so hard for you. I am really impressed that you can ovulate and still feed your ds that much. Hope the aspirin does the trick.

Jakeyblueblue Fri 29-Jun-12 23:51:11

Welcome tizzy, sounds like you've had a bit of rough time so hope goes well from here on in. Not sure what your consultant meant by you being at a disadvantage?!! I would understand if your periods hadn't returned but seeing as they have, I don't really get it. I'd let nature take its course and carry on. If you do fall preggo then your little one may self wean anyway. I have no intention of weaning so think we should trust in mother nature and carry on as we are! I spent weeks worrying what would happen when I went back to work as ds was still feeding in the day and two weeks before I went back, he dropped them! Same thing has happened this week, got to go on a course and he has still been having a tea time feed that I wouldn't be back for and again, he dropped it of his own accord. Sometimes these things just happen!
Can't wait to try the opk's, should be Interesting if nothing else. Whens best to do dtd in respect of getting a positive opk? Feeling horrendously broody today as it's my ds's first birthday today. We went to twycross zoo and I caught a glimpse of my reflection feeding him in a window and nearly had a breakdown! He looked enormous! Where has my baby gone sad!!!

haloflo Sat 30-Jun-12 18:32:54

Hello. Welcome tizzy I am very sorry to hear of your losses. You sound very positive though and fingers crossed you will be lucky soon. I got pregnant when DD was 14 months (ie last month) My periods came back when she was 10 mo. She feeds morning, evening and all night during the night. I don't fancy tandeming and actually am wondering if DD isn't happy with the new taste of milk as she is crying when feeding. Not ideal but I can't exactly help it?! I'll let you all know if she weans.

I am fine thanks BR44 I had some spotting 4 days ago and unfortunately was told it was too early for a scan but since then no bleeding and nausea has ramped up a notch. (I wasn't sick last time either, just felt rough!) so fingers crossed all is ok.

Jakeyblue - Happy Birthday to your DS! I hope you all had a nice day. With OPKs the best time is before the positive I think. You ovulate within 12-36 hours of the positive and I found these stats on baby centre-

four per cent if you have sex five days before ovulation
15 per cent if you have sex four days before ovulation
25 per cent to 28 per cent if you have sex one or two days before ovulation
eight per cent to 10 per cent if you have sex within 24 hours of ovulation

The cycle I conceived we DTD on day 12 and 14 and I got the positive OPK on day 15. HTH x

TizzyNo1 Sat 30-Jun-12 20:18:15

Thanks all smile. I forgot to mention the before, after and sometimes during nap boob - my boy sure does feed a lot! :/ I asked a nurse about OPKs and she advised DTD on alternate days from day 10 of cycle onwards as OPKs give late positives and can be affected by breastfeeding? Jakeyblue you are v wise smile - and v right! Haloflo congrats! Enjoy the sunshine everyone smile

Tancub Sat 30-Jun-12 22:25:27

Hi all
Anyone mind if I lurk here and try to understand the lingo? We're not trying yet but I'm massively broody. Still BFing DS (16 months), and have just cut out his afternoon feed for various reasons. No sign of AF.

Good luck to all, and congratulations to those expecting.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid Sun 01-Jul-12 08:52:43

Hi tancub feel free to join in, I warn you though we will make the broodiness 10 times worse.

My dd is 16 months old. I stopped bf at 13 months and my period came back a month later. Really jealous of those who can bf and ovulate, dd was down to one daytime feed and my body still refused to ovulate.

messtins Sun 01-Jul-12 09:18:50

Can I say a quick hello? I've been TTC no 3 for 10m whilst BF no 2, but at 25m old he has just decided to self wean. Haven't quite got used to describing myself as a non-BF mum yet (sob). Have had regular periods for >6m, and before that a bit screwy for a few months after coming off the pill, so am assuming his couple of feeds a day wasn't wrecking my chances of TTC, but who knows?
Does anyone have any experience of using a CBFM whilst BF? Have had confusing results and wonder if BF hormones are screwing it up? It does say you can't use it whilst BF but am assuming they are thinking of exBF a young baby which would stop you ovulating - of course feeding a 2 yr old is probably not what they had in mind!
Good luck to you all - hope you manage your BFP very soon. Jen xx

BR44 Mon 02-Jul-12 08:40:51

Hello all, especially all the new posters! Tizzy - It sounds like you've been through it a bit, but I think you sound brilliantly positive. Like you, I'm not ready to wean my 21mo DS yet, even if it is putting us at a disadvantage in terms of TTC. We'll see what the next few months bring. I completely agree with Jakey that there's little point tying ourselves in knots worrying about things we can't control. A bit off topic, but until recently I would have said there was NO WAY IN THE WORLD that my DS would have settled for my DP in the middle of the night. Previously he has screamed blue murder if anyone but me comes near him. Last two nights? DP has gone in, calmed him and even got him to go back to sleep. He's just ready now, I suppose. Sometimes I forget he's nearly two and probably underestimate what he's ready to do. The same will be true with BF eventually, I know.

I am 10 dpo. No AF yet. I did cave in and do a First Response test yesterday which was a BFN. Stupid, I know. Should have waited a few more days. Ah well. At least it's looking like I'm going to have a decent LP, which is really good news for the next cycle.

ONWARD!!!

TizzyNo1 Tue 03-Jul-12 12:36:20

Ah, BR44, too kind. I am soo impressed re DP settling your DS!! Do you mind if I ask how they did it? My hubs has kindly offered to go in but I'm scared to let him try...but, also conscious we will have to cross this bridge if we do get lucky with number 2. He settles him for naps beautifully, as does Grandma, so am I being too hesitant? Just this morning (at 5.30) as I was feeding DS I was fretting a bit about what I'd do in the same situation if a newborn needed me at exactly the same time. We don't cosleep with DS anymore as he and hubs are both v light sleepers, we were glued to the bed trying not to disturb DS and I swear I was getting pressure sores cos of staying in one position so damn long for fear of setting either of them off! DS settled in his room v well (at 1 yr) - I was traumatised! Anyway, in spite of the wake ups he does sleep better in there and I don't mind getting up to go sit in my comfy feeding chair, it's so much less disruptive overall. But, all I've read about tandem feeding seems to rely a lot on cosleeping all together - not sure this would work for us so would love to hear of other experiences. Will cosleep with a newbie again no prob but not sure could handle all together...sometimes I wish we had the space for a room with loads of mattresses on the floor...ho hum! wink

Jakeyblueblue Tue 03-Jul-12 23:26:10

Evening guys,
I have been having similar thoughts tizzy, I am still co sleeping with ds and have no intention of changing that in the foreseeable future. Dh actually sleeps in his own room and has done for several years Due to his horrific snoring issues! It's actually his Choice for us to have separate rooms as he was getting sick of me poking and kicking him all night to shut him up. So there's no rush to get ds in his own bed and plus I love co sleeping! I have to work 3 days per week and feel like co sleeping is like our together time. It's so lovely! We just cuddle all night lol! But how would this fit in with another baby? Wouldn't want to turf ds out to make way for new one! Was kind of thinking I would just buy a bigger bed and go in the middle of them?!!! but even then, wouldn't ds1 get disturbed by ds 2 and what if they both wanted a boob at the same time? Hmmmmm!
Anyway, on what I think is cd11 and did my first ever opk. Did it at 5 pm coz heard its better to do it in the evening. Was neg. so will keep going and see what happens. smile

BR44 Wed 04-Jul-12 08:37:26

Tizzy - definitely let him try. What's the worst that can happen? He's about the same age as my DS (21mo) and I think it's easy to just keep following the same routines with them that we followed when they were much younger, not realising that they have developed a lot and may well react to change better than we think.

It's really interesting what you and jakey have to say about night feeding and co-sleeping etc. We have only ever co-slept during illness, and although I have loved having the boy so close and snuggly, my quality of sleep has been lamentable (our bed's just not big enough) so he's back in his own room as soon as he is well. He sleeps better there, too. FWIW, I don't feed him before 4 am (okay, okay, sometimes 3.30...!). Wake ups before that time (at the moment one or none but in the recent past CONSIDERABLY more) are tackled with a cuddle. He then has a bit more milk upon waking (anytime between 6 -7) and then nothing until bedtime (6.30 ish) when I essentially still feed him to sleep. Tizzy- how often at night does your DS feed? I have found that his sleep improves dramatically overall when he has less milk at night.

Good luck with the OPKs Jakey! I had to wait so bloody long to get a positive I was convinced my ovaries had gone on strike in solidarity with the local bus drivers, but it happened eventually.

Today I am 12dpo. No AF. Another BFN yesterday. (seriously, there should be a helpline for women addicted to pregnancy tests. This could bankrupt me quicker than a mild gambling habit). I don't feel in any way pregnant but I also don't feel in any way pre-menstrual. So far this cycle is 39 days. The longest cycle I have had since my periods came back is 41 days. Last cycle was 35 days. At the grand old age of 33 I think my body has gone to pot.

TizzyNo1 Wed 04-Jul-12 15:29:46

BR44 sod it, I will! I'm too change-averse, but I will try...soon! He slept through last night smile. Night before woke twice: consistently erratic!! To be fair we went on holiday recently which threw him and he's getting his canines. so it's understandable, bless him smile bit reluctant to refuse boob til all teeth in (scaredy cat!)...but soon ;)

BR44 Thu 05-Jul-12 08:04:31

Good for you! I can also be way too hesitant about change but am always glad to be proved wrong!

AF arrived this morning. 13 dpo, so that's a decent length LP, right? A bit disappointed but not at all surprised. Fingers crossed for next month...

Jakeyblueblue Sat 07-Jul-12 15:31:36

Well guys, have reached cd15 today and no positive opk yet sad. Last cycle was 30 days so maybe it will be today or tmrw. Line looked darker yesterday but nothing you could call a positive. No ewcm yet either! Fingers crossed everything still works! Maybe I am actually a late ovulator, took a year to conceive ds. Never once did an opk in that time just kept dtd around day 14. The month I conceived we had really ramped it up and dtd three times a week for the mid two weeks. Who knows! Hope all ok with you guys! grin

TizzyNo1 Mon 09-Jul-12 21:27:15

jakeyblue I understand some opks can be affected by bf hormones. I was concerned that I wasn't getting positives a while back so checked , found this out n gave up on them. Nurse told us do it every other from day 10 of cycle. Did that last time and continued til v late in cycle, got preg but then miscarried v early - but got preg, that's good eh?! ;) got af after mc at the mo. Steeling self and working up courage / madness to try again...riddled with concerns and hormones, gah!

Jakeyblueblue Mon 09-Jul-12 23:22:16

Ah tizzy, sorry to hear that, but you are right! It's good you got preggo! I am sure everything will be just fine next time round and hopefully you wont have to wait long.
Well it's cd 19 tmrw and still no positive but I am sure I have ovulated. My skin has broken out and my boobs are sore. Also had bloating and cramps on sat so am sure it was then. All pretty typical for a normal cycle for me. I did do one opk on cd 14 and the test line was darker, not as dark as the control line, but clearly visible. The test line is not even visible now so am thinking it may have actually been positive then. Anyway to cut a long story short, I am going to carry on using what I have got but will ditch it after they run out, especially if I get AF on time, as that will mean I did ovulate afterall. Makes sense that Bf messes with the hormones. Might google it and see what comes up. Have ordered myself a fertility thermometer and will try that method instead for a bit I think. Seems a bit more reliable! smile

Thinkingof4 Wed 11-Jul-12 13:49:54

I've been away on holiday so just trying to catch up
tizzy ds2 was about 11months or so when I got pregnant with ds3. I stopped feeding him when I was about 10weeks pregnant as I was so tired! But he was only feeding once a day by then, and sleeping through the night very reliably! Where have I gone wrong with ds3 who is still feeding 3-4 times overnight but not at all during the day. Aargh when will he sleep through??!
Hello to the other new posters, I'll be back later!

Incidentally I'm about cd21 now and we had one slight (ahem) lapse 2 days ago when I was probably still fertile, so another sort of 2ww here! So much for waiting a few months! grin

TizzyNo1 Wed 11-Jul-12 19:54:05

Hi thinkingofyou, wow, doesn't that just show how much natural variation there is with bfed bubbas?! My friends son weaned himself at 14 months, another friends son at 4 years! Amazing and rather lovely!

TizzyNo1 Wed 11-Jul-12 19:57:58

Ha sorry, thinkingof4! bit dazed, bedtime, busy day, boob brain etc etc...soz!! wink

Thinkingof4 Thu 12-Jul-12 13:27:45

grin thinking of you too tizzy wink

Maybe the co-sleeping has made ds3 addicted to the boob! I didn't co-sleep with ds1 or ds2!

Jakeyblueblue Thu 12-Jul-12 14:14:54

Thinkingof4, whatever you have done, I have obviously done with ds too! He's the same. He has no interest in boob during the day but still feeds loads over night! Am thinking its related to co sleeping too. My mum told me yesterday that I was a total slave to him! grin
As for my baby making progress, I am on about cd20 and still no positive opk. Am sure I have ovulated though as have pmt. think my body has gone to pot as now had two days of random ewcm. Bit of a bummer as my husband is away for two nights..... Just sods law! wink

specialhero Thu 12-Jul-12 22:27:04

well, last month I gave up taking temps and remembered to use opk exactly twice and
missed any ovulation <must do better next month>

meanwhile, I accidentally bought the wrong type of opk's on amazon, the ones you need to use with the expensive machine which i do not have. If anyone here does use one and would like a free shrink wrapped box of tests let me know

good luck and all..

Jakeyblueblue Fri 13-Jul-12 13:14:58

Well mummy's, looks like I can't tell when I am ovulating after all! Got first positive opk this am on cd21. Def out for this cycle as husband been away so no dtd for the past few days. Pleased everything's working though. Will now anxiously await AF, hoping its a decent number of days away! grin have heard bf whilst ttc can make the LP very short sad
Oh well Onward!!! wink

Thinkingof4 Fri 13-Jul-12 22:12:01

Glad you got positive opk jakey even if it is a week later than you expected.
Ds3 had a dreadful night last night, waking every hour. I was working today so dh got up in night and took him downstairs to sleep in buggy where he did sleep a bit. Seemed happy as larry this morning so I have no idea what that was about! Think I'll need to head back to the sleep forum for some ideas. Can't cope with this little sleep and work sad On the other hand ds3 has started giving me the loveliest kisses which melt my heart so I shouldn't complain really!!

BR44 Mon 16-Jul-12 08:24:46

Hello all . I've been away for a week so just checking in!

Thinkingof4 Mon 16-Jul-12 13:30:59

Bumping for katiegolightly

Hi br44
how are things with you? Anyone planning to poas anytime soon?

TizzyNo1 Tue 17-Jul-12 13:49:18

Thinkingof4 love POAS! chuckle!

Having a crap week sad. I am ovulating (hurrah!) and have EWCM, but am also having a MAJOR wobble about potentially tandem feeding. As y'all know, my DS is BOOOBY and is deffo not ready to wean. This week he's teething and has a v slight snotty nose and has been glued to me - I'm not joking, he's taken to jumping on me when I get dressed and the boobs are out and running around the house cuddling my bra, sniffing it and saying 'hhhmm, smells nice'! hilarious, and so nice but also making me anxious about (a) feeding through pregnancy and (b) feeding after pregnancy. I'm caught - don't want to wait til too much older for all the usual reasons, but am afraid that if DS maintains such booby enthusiasm I won't be able to handle both him and a newborn. As I said before, he's no longer co-sleeping and everything I read about tandemming says co-sleeping is a must (not really doable for us). Plus, I have no support other than DH and he'll be at work 7-7. My mum isn't local and helps out a couple of days a week anyway but is only around a couple of hours at a time. Sorry for the moan, but am feeling a bit at sea with this...should I wait til DS is older (currently almost 21 months)? should I find out about hiring help in the future (anyone used a Mother's Help? apparently good for lonely old outcasts like me and DH ;))...anyone felt similar and overcome it?? Aargh!

Thinkingof4 Tue 17-Jul-12 19:59:06

Hi tizzy good news about the ewcm! Re tandem feeding, bear in mind that if you get pregnant now baby won't arrive for another 9-10 months so your ds will be almost a year older. I imagine he'll be much less of a boob monster by then as he'll be much more interested in playing / climbing / causing mischief so I honestly wouldn't worry about delaying things any longer. He'll be a different boy by then! (and you'll be looking back to now wistfully thinking how lovely it was when he was a boob monster grin

Jakeyblueblue Wed 18-Jul-12 18:51:36

Tizzy, I have to admit that I have been having a few similar wobbles. Ds isn't a boob monster in the day but is very much so at night. He goes all day now but still ferrets around looking for boobs several times in the night, if not 2-3 hrly. We co sleep so that's fine but I can only imagine what it would be like with an Velcro newborn too! Having said that, I think thinkingof4 is prob right. By the time we actually catch and then have 9 months of being pregnant, anything could happen! I am kind of banking on ds not loving the colostrum and self weaning whilst I'm preggers. If not, then tandem nursing it is!
I'm not considering POAS this month as hubby was away when I finally ovulated so know I am out of the game! Still no AF though so hoping this is a good sign of a decent LP. Boy, I have got sore nipples though! Seemed to have been sore since ovulation! Not good! On the plus side though, I have received my lovely thermometer and sparkly new charts! Next month I mean business! wink

TizzyNo1 Fri 20-Jul-12 09:27:10

Thanks all! Feeling bit better today, sleep helped a little bit. Feel v up n down / yes n no, frustrating but I think it's natural, hearing what you've all said so much appreciated grin

BR44 Fri 20-Jul-12 09:38:14

Hello all. I am having my own mini boob drama. The boy has gone off milk. Not sure if he's self-weaning (too astonishing to contemplate seriously) or has a mysterious problem with his mouth, it's all a bit baffling. Last night he went to sleep without taking a drop of milk for the first time in his whole 22 months. I have started a thread in Breast and Bottle Feeding if anyone's interested in the details!

Back on subject, after having no luck last month I am now on CD16 and planning to start the OV tests today.

Glad to hear you're feeling a bit less down today tizzy. I complete understand your wobbles. A friend of mine is BF her lovely new 3-week old at the moment and it has really reminded me what bloody hard work it is.

Good morning to Jakey and Thinkingof4 too. Hope you are all well and fully supplied with sticks of various kinds for use soon smile

BR44 Fri 20-Jul-12 09:41:44
totallynaive Fri 20-Jul-12 16:45:55

Hi. I'm new and really don't know whether to stop bfing entirely as I'm desperate to conceive a second time and my baby boob monster is nearly 17 ms. We are down to one feed at bedtime, and ds is very distressed on several occasions during the day because of this, and has been since I started cutting out feeds. He also cries a lot at 5am (we co-sleep) and usually bats the substitute milk away and eventually settles. I've had periods for the past 3 months but imagined I wasn't actually ovulating because my cycles were too long: 42 days at first, but now my cycle seems to be normalising, as within 2 months it's down to 34. Am I right to put my ds through this hell, given that I may be able to conceive anyway?

I know the answer is: get a clearblue kit. I have one now, but it's probably too late in my cycle to tell if I've ovulated this time. DP says: no more boob by 2 weeks' time. The rationale is that I'm 43 so why make it even 1% harder?

Grateful for any similar experiences as well as technical advice or moral support...

Jakeyblueblue Fri 20-Jul-12 18:51:52

Welcome totallynaive! What a dilemma! Although I suspect it's being made worse by dp having an opinion on it too! I'm no expert and someone may correct me otherwise, but I don't think long cycles are too much of a problem as long as you are ovulating. Short cycles or cycles where period comes very quickly after ovulation are a problem but not the other way round. I think you need to check if you are ovulating or not. You don't need the clear blue kit, just order the Cheapies off e bay and a thermometer. I think I paid 6 quid for 40 opk and 10 hpt and 3 quid for the thermometer. As long as you are ovulating and period comes more than 10- 12 days after that, you should be able to conceive without weaning totally. Long cycles are common in breastfeeding as the hormones delay ovulation so it often happens later in the cycle, thus the extra length. It sounds like the boob monster isn't ready to drop that feed yet so I wouldn't unless I hag to. If you aren't ovulating then maybe consider it, but find out first!
Br44, I did see your post last night! Sounds odd! Sounds like he's just happy without it. I know the experts say self weaning is supposed to be gradual but I know loads of people whose toddlers just stopped one day. Only time will tell! Good news though, if he has, I know it's sad but you'll have two unclaimed boobs again ready for the next one! smile

Thinkingof4 Fri 20-Jul-12 20:23:47

Hi totallynaive
I agree with jakey, regular periods generally means you are ovulating so no pressure to stop feeding really. I previously got pg while bf ds2, he was on 1 feed a day. Ds3 is still on a few (!)feeds overnight and I'm not pg yet but definitely ovulating. And not really TTC properly yet anyway iyswim
br44 any update on ds? Has he fed tonight or still on strike?
tizzy hope you are still feeling more positive, sleep deprivation can really bring you down

Well I was going for bad mummy of the year yesterday after ds3 somehow tipped his wee trike and hit the ground hard with his face sad I was right beside him but couldn't catch him. Dh then arrived home to find us both in tears and I then proceeded to blame dh for the whole thing for being late home shock
Bad wife of the year too! Ds3 had a HUGE bump on his forehead and a burst lip, but after a cold compress and lots of arnica cream you can hardly see the bump today, and his lip is fine. Amazing how fast they heal. I did apologise to dh as well, poor man. I think I must be premenstrual grin

totallynaive Sat 21-Jul-12 11:26:03

Thanks for your replies jakey and Thinkingof4. Frantically overdeducing from the fact that I was rather flushed just after Day 14, I think I probably did ovulate this cycle then - so fingers crossed I'll be able to start with my OPK in just over a week anyway.

I am so grateful for the point that bfing hormones delay ovulation to later in the cycle. Just hoping my womb lining is ok as my periods used to be really heavy and now seem quite a bit lighter. Baby no. 1 was IVF, and I'm hoping my body will just kick in and let me have one naturally now.

Thinkingof4, I know people have different approaches to parenting, but
back in the 'seventies I thought my brother was very cool because he went to A&E such a lot. My parents didn't seem too concerned. (Those pre-social worker days!! Aaahh!!!) My brother is now very successful and at the age of 46 rarely falls off anything. My ds is following in his footsteps - or should I say, bumping his little head and grazing his limbs as he rolls down tree stumps, embankments and worse, and then gets up again and tries the same thing twenty seconds later. They truly are made of rubber.

And I'm definitely hormonal. When ds cried for my milk this morning I hugged him really hard and had a cry too. Definitely not ready to give up the boob Jakey, either of us. (Hankie icon, where are you???)

totallynaive Sat 21-Jul-12 11:28:00

Oh, and good luck, Jakey!

catdoctor Sun 22-Jul-12 21:45:29

Evening ladies, just checking in - havn't had a chance to read all your news yet but looking forward to indulging myself.

AF has returned for me - hurrah! Having my second period now and 2 ovulations detected on temperature chart, luteal phases 11 and 9 days - so this is good, right?! DS generally on 1 skimpy feed only now, at night, though poorly last 2 nights and 3-4 sessions demanded.

I've never tried to conceive before - DS was an 'accident' so looking to you guys as my database!

Jakeyblueblue Sun 22-Jul-12 23:39:04

Evening all, just checking in too. Am incredibly excited as have got to 10dpo with no AF!! Woop Woop! That means I have a decent enough LP to get preggo! Def mean business next month!
Catdoctor, congrats in getting AF back and yes, you need at least 10 days post ovulation to sustain a pregnancy so this is good!
Although I am very pleased to see a return to normality, I had forgotten how bad these hormones really are. So far this cycle have had spots, bloating, sore nipples, cramps and headaches! Havent suffered with any of them since I fell pregnant with ds. sad

BR44 Mon 23-Jul-12 08:55:54

Excellent news about the LP Jakey!! The spots and other hormonal nasties are a bugger, aren't they? I got a really bad breakout for the first time in over 2 years last month! When are you planning on testing?

totallynaive I'm very sorry you're having such a difficult time. I have no real words of wisdom to offer, other than that when my DS was 17 mo we were feeding significantly more than we are now (22mo). My point is that even these 5 months have made a massive difference in how bothered he has been about milk. You may find that your boy also just naturally starts minding less as he gets a bit older. I know this is scant consolation now, especially as you have the time pressure of TTC, but I have been really surprised at how much he seemed to 'grow up' in the last two months particularly, and I can honestly say now that can envision a day when we stop completely. Hand on heart, there's no way I could have said that at 17mo. Oh, and Jakey is completely right about the long cycles and BF. My last cycle was 39 days and I OVd on CD 27.

Whereas this cycle I'm on CD19 and the OV kit is showing positive this morning! I thought I might have a slightly shorter cycle this time as we have dropped the morning feed, but this seems like a huge difference?!? Oh well, I will obey the stick and pounce on DP this evening. The boy is back on the milk, by the way, but is taking less and pulling himself off way earlier than he used to. Bedtimes are taking a lot longer as a result. I have no idea what his two day blip was all about, but at least it showed that he can actually manage without it and, most significantly, sleep without it if need be.

Thinkingof4 You'll have to wrestle me for the Bad Mother award. I think most of the other mothers in the park would happily have given it to me yesterday. I have accepted the fact that my DS refuses to wear his own hat in the sun, but what am I supposed to do about his insistence on removing every other child's hat? I spent all my time returning hats to confused children and apologising to angry looking parents...

Hi Catdoctor! From what I've read a LP of at least 10 days is needed for implantation, so 9 might be pushing it. But if you're only on your second period the LP will hopefully get a bit longer each time so it's looking good!

Right, I really should go now. The Olympic torch was coming our way this morning and I had planned to take the boy out to see it, but I fear it's probably gone past by now. Oh well, if he asks me why he missed this momentous occasion when he's older I'll just have to explain that mummy was conducting important business on the internet.....

Thinkingof4 Mon 23-Jul-12 12:52:08

br44 grin that's so funny, what a monkey!

Poor ds3 has got a few spots in nappy area which look like chicken pox so waiting to see what develops! Neither ds1 or ds2 have had it either so could be a busy few weeks!

catdoctor glad to hear AF back properly, sounds promising! And jakey that's great re decent LP

Well I'm now cd33 and wondering whether I'm having another super long cycle or what! I don't want to poas as I'm sure AF is just round the corner and I let myself get excited last time when it was actually just a 44 day cycle. I'm certainly not feeling very premenstrual iyswim but maybe I will be in a week!

Toptack Mon 23-Jul-12 14:26:57

Hello, can I join I please? DS is 20 months and we're just thinking about TTC no.2. DS isn't feeding every day anymore, prob only about 5 times a week. My periods came back at around 9 months but luteal phase is still often v short -this was a problem before I had DS, so nothing new. I'm nearly 38 and know if I go to the Dr he'll tell me to wean completely (he was shocked to find out i was still bf'ing DS at 10 months!) but I'm not sure it will make much difference - what do you ladies think?

Hello ladies. I was on here a while back but disappeared as "TTC" without any idea whether I was fertile was doing my head in. I kept getting my hopes up about catching the first egg and then getting very disappointed with each inevitable BFN. I've got a 13 month-old DS who is still BF at least 3 times per day, and I was starting to think my chances of a close age gap were dwindling.

But today I got my first AF since September 2010! I could barely contain my glee whilst nipping to the shops for supplies. I realise that would make me a freak to most, but thought you would understand!

So now we will give this TTC thing a proper go. I know that it might not happen as easily as it did with DS, but it is such a relief knowing that it could actually happen now!

Right, off for a catch-up!

specialhero Mon 23-Jul-12 20:12:43

Hello Toptack and all. Sorry I can't help with your question. Looking for advice myself.

I'm on day 12 of what's usually a 26 day cycle. I can't really track temps because I don't get enough sleep due to ds's bf'ing. I've been testing with OPK's, the smiley face ones, today, yesterday and a few day's last week and i've seen no sign of a smile. Is that unusual? I could be ovulating later than all the calculators predict I suppose, or maybe its a sign that something's wrong. Can't say I've noticed any EWCM either.

Thinkingof4 Mon 23-Jul-12 21:55:37

specialhero maybe you have a short luteal phase like toptack
I'm not too sure what youcan do about that- perhaps something like agnus castus but I don't know if you can take that while BF. Sorry not much help really.

Looks like AF is putting in an appearance here after all so only 33 day cycle this time which is a big improvement on last month!

remnant Wed 25-Jul-12 13:46:42

Thanks thinkingof, I read up on it and it sounds like agnus castus is ok with BF. I''ve ordered some. Still no sign of a positive OPK result. TBH I find that smiley face thing really annoying. I'll be looking for another variety when this lot run out.

Congrats on the AF Perpetual.

Toptack Wed 25-Jul-12 14:47:11

I'm taking Agnus Castus too - seems ok from what I could find out. It may have an adverse effect on milk supply but don't think that matters too much at this stage! LP was a whole 5 days longer last month than the month before, so I'm hoping it's working...

Don't think I could cope with the smiley face mocking me each month!

Jakeyblueblue Wed 25-Jul-12 18:06:16

Hi all, I am taking vit b6 in an attempt to lengthen my LP. This month it got to 11 days which is enough to conceive so I am really pleased! Having said that though, this is my third AF and the cycles have been getting progressively longer so I am unsure if it's the vit b6 thats lengthened it or whether it is just lengthening out of its own accord. I do know that most bf women's first few cycles are very often infertile so this would ring true with what I have found. Also I have read that vit b6 can reduce milk supply in bigger doses. For this reason, I have started on 20 mg and will build it up slowly of needed..so far no Ill effects. Think you can take up to 100 mg per day.
Well, I am starting to wish I hadn't wished my periods back so soon! Have had the AF from hell! Dreadful PMT! sad feeling a bit better now though! Also had a pretty noticeable drop in milk supply. Have googled it and seemingly its very common when you've got a period. It happened last month too. Although it builds back up as soon as the bleeding stops, I have to admit I have had a bit of a wobble about TTC. If AF drops milk supply so much, then I might be one of the ones that pregnancy makes it dry up totally! Not sure my ds is ready for weaning at all! Wondering if I ought to wait until the end of the year, just to give him those few extra months! He's only 13 months and still needs his milk. What do you think ladies? grin

Jakeyblueblue Wed 25-Jul-12 18:07:08

Ps. The cheapie opk's off eBay are fine. I use them and no smily mocking face. 6 quid for 40 smile

My DS is only 13 months too and definitely still needs his milk Jakey. TBH I'm feeling a bit conflicted about potentially causing him to wean, but we're really ready for another LO so I'm just going for it at the moment with an attitude of if it's meant to happen, it will happen.

I've also used the cheapie OPKs, and although there is no mocking smiley face, there is a lot of room for interpretation with their damned faint lines! You can't win either way.

TizzyNo1 Fri 27-Jul-12 19:59:34

thinkingof4 you are so right re sleep deprivation! I'm taking a month off ttc and observing how I feel each day. Seems that when I get bad nights I get wobbles. More sleep (even in short bursts) equals a more cavalier 'let's go!' attitude. Contact with likeminded mamas inspires my self-confidence and I keep reminding myself that, for me anyway, being a mummy means listening to your heart as well as your head - my whole life I've been too governed by my head so it's an ongoing journey for me! Sure my wobbles will reach gargantuan proportions when the fertile times approach again...!

It's awfully quiet in here! How's everyone doing?

I guess this is my first proper cycle TTC as I just got my period back. CD14 now, but I have no idea if/when I'll ovulate. I've tried OPKs (just the cheapies) but always get a faint line no matter when I test. Maybe the breastfeeding hormones are affecting the test?

BR44 Mon 06-Aug-12 08:33:46

Hello all, sorry I've been absent recently.

There is a distinct lack BFPs on this thread now! Bah. I have no exciting news to report. As I said in my last post, I got a positive OPK on CD 19, which surprised me as that's 8 days earlier than last cycle. Today is CD 33. No AF but feeling seriously hormonal so expect it soon, especially as I got a BFN yesterday. Last cycle was 39 days but surely this has to be shorter if I OVd a fortnight ago?

I very much relate to everyone who has wondered if they should stop BF completely. MY DS will be 2 at the end of September, so we've had a good innings. Although I am having periods and the LP seems to be sufficiently long I also feel that maybe BF is somehow having an impact and if I do want another child Ilm just going to have to stop feeding this one. It makes me a little bit sad but not as much as it did a few months ago. I really sympathise with you Jakey and with those of you with younger children though - it's a tough call.

PerpetualProv I have to admit I found the cheapy tests infuriatingly difficult to read and have been using the Clear Blue digital for the last two cycles. Smiley or no smiley - saves you spending ages interpreting bloody lines!.

Ah well. Chins up all!!

remnant Mon 06-Aug-12 18:36:41

It's cd 26 here for me. Expecting af any minute. There was a very slight chance I could have been pregnant, and I've been driving myself a bit mad looking for symptoms. I have had more cramps and more CM than usual over the last few days etc, but I gave in a tested earlier and got a BFN.

I'm not sure I blame the bfing. In my case it's more likely my age and lack of humping.
Hope someone here is having better luck

Jakeyblueblue Mon 06-Aug-12 19:09:31

Hi all! No news here either. On cd 14 here so started opk's a few days ago and nothing yet. Have had some serious wobbles again about getting preggo. Think it's because I now know that I could seriously get pregnant this cycle if we dtd at the right time. The last few cycles it's been hit and miss coz of a short LP. I look at ds and he so loves his boob, not sure how he will react if it dries up coz I am pregs. However, heard yesterday that my terms and conditions are def changing next oct and I will def only be entitled to SMP for the duration so I've got to just do it and stop worrying. We can't afford for me to be on SMP so it's now or never. Guess in the long run ds will benefit far more from a sibling than a few extra months boob and besides, we might be able to carry feeding anyway. Positive thinking!
Def a lack of bfp on this thread. We need to pull our fingers out! grin

Yes, agree! We need a BFP soon! BR44 and remnant, no news is good news until AF shows!

Good luck Jakeyblue. We'll be due to test around the same time - although CD 15 now and according to OPKs, don't think I've ovulated yet.

Fuzzymuzz Tue 07-Aug-12 16:37:25

Can I join you, my 13mo still breastfeeding throughout the night - absolutely no sign of periods - but would really like to start trying sooner rather than later. My daughter isn't really ready to wean right now - so I'm not sure if I'm doing the right thing, but would like a fairly small age gap and it took me a year to conceive my dd.

I'm kind of hoping that getting pregnant would help wean...

TizzyNo1 Tue 07-Aug-12 19:42:10

Hello all! On day 4 of af currently, 29 day cycle (came on on dY 29 so is that right or is it 28 day cycle?), ewcm in the right timezone last time so decent luteal phase...going for it this month, wobbles or not. Boobmonster still oh-so-booby but hopefully he'll persevere if milk supply drops. Have renewed energy re tandem feeding best intentions and trying to be positive...sort of agree jakey that siblings are forever and boob is the best foundation but they won't be wanting it always...possibly! She says remembering how DS is still bra sniffing and rummaging for boobs constantly...;)

Thinkingof4 Tue 07-Aug-12 20:59:43

Hi all
I was away last week and have been obsessing about olympics so not been on here for ages. Well dh and I have decided that as it's now so close to me starting a new job that we better wait till I'm -eligible for mat leave settled there before we TTC. So I'm definitely on hold for now! V frustrating as I know I'm fertile NOW and just want to get on with it! However given that this will hopefully be dc4 we have to be a bit sensible about money. I start my new job in a month so won't be gone for long I hope!!
Good luck to everyone this cycle and I hope there are some bfps vv soon

Weeyun Wed 08-Aug-12 08:52:20

Hi, can I join you all too please? So nice to know you're here because I thought I was the only person in the whole world ttc while still breastfeeding a toddler. GP certainly made me feel that way! Anyway, DS just turned 2 and still feeds twice a day, no sign of giving it up yet. I was quite keen to wean so tried cutting down on the time feeding but he cries his little heart out if I even do that so think I'll leave him to it for a bit longer. I had an early miscarriage a couple of weeks ago and was a bit worried that the breastfeeding had contributed to it, after reading some scary stuff on the interweb, but I'm pretty confident now that it was all nonsense, I hope, and just want to start trying again ASAP. I'm CD19 now so 2ww I guess, though didn't make a conscious effort this month so just trying to not think about that too much & focus on starting next month. Sorry for rambling a bit!

BR44 Thu 09-Aug-12 11:03:31

Welcome Weeyun and hello everyone else.

My body is having a laugh. After posting here on Monday that I was on CD33 and waiting for AF I started having what felt very much like Ov pains so I did a test and lo and behold it was positive. So that's two positive OPKs this cycle - one on day 19 (but with no other signs) and one on day 33 (with lots of signs). From what I've read since, I think my body must have been trying to ov but didn't manage it so tried again later. Baffling. So now I have ANOTHER 2 week wait....? Could be the longest cycle since my periods came back, which feels like a backwards step, especially since my DS is feeding less than ever and is sleeping well!

Thinkingof4 - that sounds very sensible. Exciting to be starting a new job too!

Jakeyblueblue Thu 09-Aug-12 23:06:45

Are you sure you aren't Preg br44? Those opk can show positive when you are pregnant. I was reading about it somewhere the other day. In fact it was a thread where a lady had took a hpt at the same time as a opk and both were positive. It might be worth doing a test? smile

Jakeyblueblue Thu 09-Aug-12 23:14:33

Ps. Welcome to all our newbies!

catdoctor Thu 16-Aug-12 13:50:44

Hello......where's everyone gone? Are you stuck under a feeding toddler, do you need help?

Can anyone help me with this musing - my main(only) sign of early pregnancy was breast tenderness which felt like pre-menstrual tenderness but went on for longer; I'm not getting the pm tenderness now - presume something to do with the breastfeeding? Do you think therefore I won't get breast tenderness if preggers?

Also, as DS now feeding like a mad thing all night (well suckling I think there's little milk) due to teething, could this set back the progressive lengtheningof luteal phase?

Hope all is well with your plans.

Weeyun Thu 16-Aug-12 15:29:06

When I was (briefly) pregnant I didn't have the tenderness & the GP said it was because of the breastfeeding (and then gave me a wee lecture on what a weirdo I was for still breastfeeding, needed to 'prioritise' etc. Sorry, off on my own tangent!) So anyway, yeah I think you might not get it or notice it so much if you're still breastfeeding when you get pregnant again.

BigBoPeep Thu 16-Aug-12 18:14:05

ooo, a thread for me! dd1 is only 4.5mo but we're thinking as small an age gap as possible without mucking up at least her first yr bf'ing is the path we'll take! yes, it's daunting, yes, it probably will be might be hell, but i think what the hey, there's never a right time and the longer i leave it the harder it will be in career/financial terms...

no sign of a period, we're going to leave it til new year so that if my milk dries up mid pregnancy or she self weans, we'll only have a little formula to buy before she goes onto cow's milk...

i do milk v well though, had major oversupply and have been on 12hr blocks since she was 3wks and she still has plenty - i figure if we do get that far and start looking like drying up i can shorten my blocks in an attempt to up supply again?

as for fertility, dh seems to only need to look at me for too long and i get pregnant, so i feel confident, but if nothing doing by the time dd1 is a year i guess i will have to wean :S

BigBoPeep Thu 16-Aug-12 21:23:29

nyaw look, I've managed to kill this thread aswell as the waiting to conceive one!

Jakeyblueblue Fri 17-Aug-12 07:11:59

Hi all, glad to see more activity since my last post! Have to admit its been quite lonely here for a while! Guess we've all been busy trying to make babies!
Welcome to all our new members too!
My ds has been feeding like there's no tomorrow as teething so didn't get an positive opk until day 21 but am hopeful that we may have been successful as we dtd everyday from day 14 and last cycle I had a viable LP. Fingers crossed. Am going on holiday tmrw and have decided not to take any hpt's until
I get back. Technically I should be Due AF whilst I am there so if it hasn't come by
the time I get back I should hopefully be able to pick up a bfp when I get back. Its going to be a nervous two weeks!
Had a minor flap yesterday as felt slightly nauseous lol and began convincing myself I was pregs. Started googling night weaning thinking how the hell am I going to feed two babies all night long. Chickened out when I saw most of it involved crying! sad
Hope everyone else gets on ok, not sure about the breast tenderness cat. If anything I think it might be worse when breastfeeding. I know that one of the the worse problems with breastfeeding when Preg is the sore nipples. Mine have been sore since ovulation so I am expecting hell for actual pregnancy!

Weeyun Fri 17-Aug-12 08:41:52

Sorry, I was just talking about the initial swollen-tender boob feeling at the beginning of pregnancy which I believe is sometimes less if you're already breastfeeding, I don't know if that's just because they're already swollen-tender and we've just got used to it or not. I think the nipple soreness is worse, so I've heard. Anyway, as I say I didn't have the tender thing & never got as far as sore nipples.

In other news, I got a very faint bfp this morning. I'm not going to get too excited though after last time, I'm only 13dpo today I think. Don't know when I can start to relax and believe this one might stick. It does feel different though, I don't know whether that's a good thing or not. Anyway, I just wanted to share incase it gives some hope to other breastfeeders! At least the getting pregnant part doesn't seem to be a problem for me anyway. Will update though of course if it all goes tits up again confused

Weeyun Sun 19-Aug-12 07:28:06

Well clearly my advice is no use to anybody. Another chemical pregnancy for me. At least it had the decency to end so early this time. Just updating in case anyone's still reading this thread. Maybe my lack of tender boobs is a bad omen. I'm just going to quit ttc for now, until I've stopped breastfeeding. Maybe it's not related but I can't stand thinking that it might be. Good luck everyone.

BR44 Sun 19-Aug-12 12:08:29

Oh Weeyun, I'm really sorry. As you say, I'm glad that at least you got the bad news quickly this time, but it's still sad and disappointing. I hope you're okay.

This may be rubbing salt in the wound, but I guess it's the whole point of this thread, so I'm tentatively pleased to announce that I got a BFP yesterday! 1-2 wks according to the stick, which tallies with ov'ing 13 days ago. Massively early days, obviously, so let's hope the situation remains unchanged. For what it's worth, my boobs aren't sore at all but my nipples are a little more tender while BF. Really not much though, so maybe there is some truth in the early pregnancy sore boobs/BF theory.

BigBoPeep Sun 19-Aug-12 13:46:34

at risk of killing thread completely, congrats on your tentative BFP, an sorry to hear that weeyun sad

Weeyun Sun 19-Aug-12 14:03:25

Congratulations BR44! That's amazing news! Hope it all goes really well for you.

Thinkingof4 Sun 19-Aug-12 18:04:07

Just popped back in to say hi
Really sorry to hear your news weeyun

br44 congraulations on your bfp! I had a feeling you were going to be next! Fx everything goes ok

Well despite my last post re waiting to TTC I'm kind of on a 2ww again as I thought maybe we should just get on with it, not getting any younger etc! Mind you we did leave it to last possible fertile day / possibly a day too late so not really hoping for much the cycle!

Jakeyblueblue Sun 19-Aug-12 18:14:51

Both sad news and smile news ladies! So sorry weeyun, poor you, sending you lots of hugs. Congrats br44! We def needed more bfp's on here so well done!
I am currently on the 2ww but am on holiday. Have purposely not bought any hpts so I can't obsess about testing. AF due next week some time so will test when I get back if it doesn't show. Haven't got any symptoms although I was trying for ds1 for ages and the only month I had given up all hope and had no symptoms whatsoever, I got my bfp. Our bodies are very weird and wonderful things.
Just echoing what weeyun thinks though, am def not going to tell anyone until 12 weeks next time round. Dh went mad telling everyone when I was about 6 weeks and it's completely risky! I know bf whilst pregnant is supposed to be safe but it must interfere with all those hormones somehow. Fingers crossed it'll all be ok in the future weeyun and for the rest of us too! grin

BR44 Mon 20-Aug-12 09:10:45

Thanks all. I must admit I'm feeling way more anxious about this pregnancy so far. My skin is awful and I've had nausea the last three evenings, neither of which was the case the first time round. As you say Jakey, our bodies are indeed weird and wonderful things.

Very exciting that we have two 2wws! Fingers crossed for you both, Jakey and Thinkingof4.

Just out of curiosity, how soon did you lot see your GP after finding out you were pg in the past? Last time I went the very next day post-BFP, but for some reason my instinct's telling me to give it a week or so this time. Am I being daft and should just get the ball rolling as soon as possible?

BR44 Mon 20-Aug-12 09:11:42

And oh, by the way, nipples now unpleasantly painful while feeding. Yay.

BigBoPeep Mon 20-Aug-12 09:24:40

I left seeing the gp until really quite late - found the constant appointmentsof my first unsuccessful pregnancy very tedious. I am very low risk and felt fine so.... We just fast-tracked a bit: GP said it was OK as I was low risk, the frequency of appointments are more about keeping an eye on people who might not be.

I think this time round if I get bad nausea I will go and demand help of some kind! Nausea was the worst thing for me about pregnancy. Really puts me off.

Haha thinkingof4 - I have to wait too but also v tempted to just get on with it...

jennimoo Mon 20-Aug-12 12:25:19

Can i join? I've read most the the thread, but not really been able to take it all in.

I got pg first cycle with DD, who is now 23 months and still bfing like a newborn (but not at night now thankfully!) AF came back ages ago and cycles seemed good, CM seemed to say I was ovulating, so decided to start TTC...

DD then realised I had two boobs, and started switching to and fro, and now my cycles seem a little all over the place. I'm (hopefully...) in the 2ww now on my 2nd, 9dpo I think.

I am a control freak, and chart and temp on fertility friend!

So hello and sticky thoughts to everyone!

Jakeyblueblue Mon 20-Aug-12 17:38:23

Welcome jenni! smile
No I don't think you are being daft br44, whatever suits you best is what you should do. Oh and please do stick with us lot still ttc. Nice to have someone already going through it to pick your brains and compare and contrast! Hopefully we can eventually turn this thread in to a Preg and bf thread instead!
Just sat on the beach,having just fed my 27 lb son, much to the disapproving glances from a bottle feeder behind a nearby windbreak. Wonder what looks we'll get pregnant and feeding enormous babies wink
On the plus side. Real bad fatigue this am. Hmmmmm. An starting to imagine symptoms I think!

jennimoo Tue 21-Aug-12 06:57:53

I've been trying to catch up, and see some of you are struggling. BF has such an impact on my cycles, they are very irregular, and last month just as I thought I was starting the 2ww AF arrived! I think my body had realised it had no chance of Oing and just sort of rebooted!
I had been feeding each side for just half the day and that seemed to work well so those of you considering weaning perhaps try reducing how often you swap sides? I'm convinced it was the sudden swapping that messed me up, only realised a few days ago and have gone back to the blocks again.

haloflo Wed 22-Aug-12 20:22:10

Just wanted to pop back to say congrats to BR44 Im currently 14 weeks now and all seems well. x

Good luck to all, it can be done.

LittleWaveyLines Wed 22-Aug-12 22:36:26

Can I join in? smile

I'm rapidly approaching 39 and have a 14 month DD who is still a complete milk-monster and feeds every 2 hours day and night, unless I'm at work (when she just waits for me and doesn't drink enough water hmm)

So I'm not totally surprised that my periods haven't come back yet as she feeds like a newborn grin

However I want to get a crack on with this TTC lark as it took us 2 years to conceive her - so I'll be 41 before the next one at that rate....

Anyway - hello! grin

BR44 Thu 23-Aug-12 07:46:24

Hello LittleWaveyLines. My periods didn't come back until my DS was 14 months and he was also still feeding ALOT at that point. I think I remember reading that 14 is the average for women who continue to BF past 1, so hopefully it wont be too much longer for you now. My son is now 23 months and to be honest my cycles are not in any real pattern but I knew I was ovulating, and that's the main thing. Good luck! This thread is really really helpful for support and information from women tackling a similar problem.

Thank you haloflo! So glad to hear that all is well with you. What are you plans for BF throughout the rest of your pregnancy? I'm already thinking about operation phase out as I've decided I'm just not up for tandem feeding.

Jakey are you back from your holiday yet? Thinking of testing soon? smile

LittleWaveyLines Thu 23-Aug-12 08:11:11

Thanks for that BR44 smile

I'm hoping my cycle might come back when I go back to work in September as I'll be away from her for 8 hours, 4 days (currently on school holidays - I'm a teacher)

LittleWaveyLines Thu 23-Aug-12 08:12:02

Is it worth doing the whole temperature tracking thing if you don't yet have any periods, and are still breastfeeding at night so getting disturbed sleep? (Bedsharing though)

jennimoo Thu 23-Aug-12 08:17:32

Hi little wavey lines.

Good to hear positive news haloflo!

On Tuesday I was sure I was feeling sick, and had weird twinges in boob, but have tested yet again today and another BFN sad its probably too early though. I'm possibly as much as 12 dpo but not really sure.

Also have thrush now, which is just great!

Jakeyblueblue Thu 23-Aug-12 10:34:52

sad AF this am.
So Try again next month!

Welcome to our other new recruit and hi to halo! So glad everything's going well for you smile

jennimoo Thu 23-Aug-12 19:04:01

jakeyblueblue bad luck with AF.

I felt slightly crampy earlier and thought I might have, but no sign yet. I am going to be optimistic and hope it is a pg sign...

littlewaveylines if it were me I'd just check cervical fluid, not temp, but I find temping disrupts my sleep as when I can't help but do it as soon as I stir in the morning, then don't tend to go back to sleep very well...

haloflo Thu 23-Aug-12 22:11:56

BR44, I've all but phased it out now (only fed once since Sunday) but I only ever planned 1 year so 16 months makes me proud.

Littlewaveylines. Can you cut down day feeds? My periods came back at 10 months PP after I've stopped day feeds for about 2 months (ie between 7 and 4) It's often easier to day wean than night wean (was feeding 2/3 times a night when I got pg). Opks worked well for me just so I had an idea what was happening.

I finally night weaned my DD 1 month ago, actually by accident. She spent a night at my MILs (who DD adores) MIL cuddled her back to sleep twice during the night and since then DD is happy to not feed at night. For a while we carried on with the any time after 5am feed but since she started sleeping a bit longer and I am planning to just get her up until she forgets about bfing. She still wakes at night 5/6 nights out of 7 but I can share responsibility with DP and often it's just a dummy run.

Sorry about AF jakey. x

MayfairMummy Fri 24-Aug-12 10:54:09

Can I join this bus, please? DS2 is just now 6 months, original plan was to stop b/f now (to start ttc) but he's been diagnosed with allergic colitis so formula isn't an option for me. However, I'm 40 and it took 3.5 years from DS1 to get a live baby, so don't want to hang about. I'm new to this arena - any suggestions on bringing back AF?

Hi all smile

I shall be joining you shortly. DS is 16mo and still BFs morning and night. We are planning to start TTC in October, but I think we might get impatient and start in Sept.

DS was conceived in 2 months, so hoping for a quick turnaround again! I've had bleeding on and off since DS turned one so hopefully my fertility is back now.

Thinkingof4 Fri 24-Aug-12 21:11:14

Hi haloflo time flies I can't believe you are 14 weeks already!

jakey sorry about AF hope you are feeling ok

jennimoo hi - worth POAS again if still no AF in next few days

Hi to all the other new people on the thread, it's getting busy again yay!

So I am now day 33 and no AF. Normal cycle is 32 days... But I can't say I feel any different to normal except maybe a bit less grumpy than normal for pmt. I'm not getting excited yet but will probably poas sometime over weekend if still no AF.

LittleWaveyLines Fri 24-Aug-12 22:08:04

jennimoo = yeah temping disrupts my sleep as well, so I think you're right smile

haloflo - cutting down on day feeds is only possible if I'm not there! She gets most upset - and I don't want to wean her unless I REALLY have to anyway. But from September I will be away from her for 8+ hours, 4 days a week so that might be sufficient.

Hello to MayfairMummy and JollyHockeySticks smile

jennimoo Sat 25-Aug-12 07:37:17

LittleWaveyLines how about try feeding in 'blocks' so if you swap sides each time you feed try swapping every other? I found at about 1y doing one side am and one side pm worked well for us, and completely removed the need to pump at work! As I said below it was when DD discovered there were two and started demanding both each feed that my cycles seemed to 'break', so must be a link!

I've been POAS every day, another BFN. I'm about 12-14dpo and got BFP at 12 with DD so not feeling very positive. Thrush has almost cleared up though, so at least I'm sleeping a little better!

Thinkingof4 Sat 25-Aug-12 10:37:44

I had a bfn this morning too jennimoo so I'm sure I'm not pg as day 34 now, AF will probably arrive today given that I caved and poas.
I think your idea about block feeding for littlewavylines is very good, definitely worth trying

BigBoPeep Sat 25-Aug-12 21:59:26

yay busy thread, i managed to kill it, but then again i havent been around....muahahaha!

I've been on 12hr blocks since DD was 3wks to combat oversupply - she's now 5mo and NO sign of any period action. I know nothing about how to tell if you're ovulating etc but might have a go at something just out of curiosity....Still being 'careful' with DH but wondering whether that's necessary...? but it wouldnt be good for me to be pg JUST yet, I have a job on that I just can't do with morning sickness til december and then need to cram in a little bit of contract work oct-dec too...then I'm free grin

BigBoPeep Sat 25-Aug-12 22:02:07

managed not to kill it!

jennimoo Sun 26-Aug-12 06:45:32

bbp my AF came back at 7 months (just checked as couldn't remember!) so I expect yours will be on its way. I'd say checking cervical fluid the best way to see if any things happening: opks would get expensive and temping could get annoying for you if you have to wait a while!
Another BFN today, I would guess AF due today or in the next couple so looking like I'm out for this month...

BigBoPeep Sun 26-Aug-12 09:12:53

sorry to hear that jenni but thanks for the info! ventures into the world of cervical fluid testing

BigBoPeep Sun 26-Aug-12 09:13:25

whoops bold/emphasis fail d'oh

Back from hols and on CD 34 with no sign of AF...but no BFP either. As this is my first cycle after getting my period back I have no idea what's going on. I never did get a positive OPK, but I quit using them around CD 17 and suspect I may have ovulated quite late as I had some EWCM around CD 29. But who knows. I've already had two BFNs and am trying to leave it as long as possible to POAS again, for my own sanity. But I guess no news is good news until AF turns up.

Welcome to all the newbies! Congratulations BR44!

That sounds promising Thinkingof4! Please keep us posted.

Really sorry about your chemical pregnancy Weeyun. Also sorry about AF jakey. Better luck this cycle.

Thinkingof4 Sun 26-Aug-12 17:36:25

Hi
How strange that 3 of us are having longer cycles than normal and bfns! Maybe our cycles are synchronising grin
I'm day 35 and still no AF but haven't tested again yet. I could have convinced myself that I felt a bit sick this morning but I often do after being up 2 or 3 times in the night to feed ds3.
I really don't think I am pg but it is quite exciting to think I just might be! I have had a wonky 42 day cycle a couple of months back so more than likely that is what is really going on
Keep us posted perpetual and jennimoo

Thinkingof4, I realised that I miscalculated earlier and I'm on day 35 as well. You have much more willpower than me having not POAS'd yet! I've been feeling a bit sick as well, but am trying not to symptom spot!

Jakeyblueblue Sun 26-Aug-12 20:35:26

I'm on the edge of my seat with all these 2ww or 3 ww as it seems grin I think you should do a mass thread poas tmrw!
I have been thinking about my last few cycles and my LP has been 10 days which is the bare minimum needed to sustain a pregnancy. I haven't actually been charting or temping so I think I will start this month. Am thinking that I am possibly not ovulating the day of the positive opk, it can be up to 36 hrs after a positive opk, and if that was the case my LP would be 9 days sad. At least if I temp I can pinpoint exactly when it occurred. I am also going to start vit b as I have read this can lengthen the LP too. Oh and my lovely friend bought me a CBD ovulation thingy so I am very excited to try it!
Ds has been feeding like a demon as he is cutting some heavy duty teeth but have just bought a copy of the no cry sleep solution book just in case I need to consider the night weaning if my LP doesn't lengthen out a bit!

Thinkingof4 Sun 26-Aug-12 21:23:00

Ha I'm not that good perpetual I got a bfn yesterday but not going to test again for a couple of days. Are you feeling anything different at all in terms of early pg symptoms? Or do you think it's just a wonky cycle?

BR44 Sun 26-Aug-12 21:39:36

Ooooh, all fingers crossed for you thinkingof4 and perpetual!!

jennimoo Mon 27-Aug-12 07:00:16

Good luck to others on 2ww!

I had a big glass of wine last night and was the right thing to do as AF arrived this morning! At least my literal phase and cycle length don't seem too bad, so hopefully next month.

Now to book my groupon hair colour appointment without worrying about being pg!

jennimoo Mon 27-Aug-12 07:01:43

Literal phase! iPhone autocorrect strikes again. Might try having a literal phase though, sounds interesting...

Thinkingof4 Mon 27-Aug-12 09:40:33

grin @ literal phase! Sorry about AF but at least things are going the right way. Enjoy getting your hair done!
Still no AF here, and actually starting to dream a bit now... Even if it is wonky cycle with delayed ov there would be good chance as we dtd a lot this month! And I felt v teary listening to the news this morning (sad story but wouldn't normally make me cry)
So I'm either suffering from pmt or pg. Now that I have started to dream about this baby AF is sure to appear!

Any news perpetual ? What is your normal cycle length? Mine is 32 so only 4 days longer so far

Not sure Thinkingof4, as this is my first cycle since getting my period back. Before getting pregnant I was on the pill for years, so had 28-day cycles. I was only off the pill for one cycle before we conceived, which I think was around 31-32 days, but I can't really remember.

I have had some symptoms (fatigue, bloat/wind, nausea), but am trying not to think about them too much as they can all be attributed to other things.

Anyways, day 36 now and still no AF...will try to hold out a few more days before POAS again. I'm driving myself mad as I have no idea whether I even ovulated, and have read things about people having really long anovulatory cycles after getting their periods back. If I did ovulate, I'm not sure we would have caught it as I was under a lot of stress related to work during part of my cycle and we have big gaps in between shags. If I don't fall PG this cycle we will try to have sex every other day throughout the whole next cycle to give it a better chance.

Sorry AF got you jenimoo. At least you know what your cycle is up too! Better luck next month.

I know how you feel jakey, as DS is still suckling a lot in the night too. I will be trying to cut down to just the bedtime feed soon, once DS gets over jetlag and a cold he's got at the moment.

Can I ask how long everyone's first cycle was after getting their periods back? This is really starting to do my head in!

jennimoo Mon 27-Aug-12 14:59:44

pp my first was 57 I'm afraid, but second was 29. I used to be about 31 days but since then they've ranged from 28-37 days!

Ah, that's what I'm afraid of - that I could be having a very long anovulatory cycle and am getting my hopes up for nothing.

But as of today I've got that pregnant feeling that you can't quite explain. I'm obsessing over on the BFP in August thread if anyone wants to join me smile

Jakeyblueblue Mon 27-Aug-12 16:59:06

My first cycle was 31 days and has been ever since. Strange, because was always 28 before Preg. It's been the same pattern for the last 2 cycles, ovulation cd21, AF cd 31. Hoping for a bit of variety this month!
As for the night feeds, I think I feed ds when there's actually no need! I get my boob out at even the slightest whimper or wriggle, Think I am my own worse enemy. Tonight I am going to not offer but not refuse if you catch my drift.
Why don't you guys buy some cheapie hpt's off eBay then you can poas everyday! smile

Thinkingof4 Mon 27-Aug-12 19:59:41

jakey I'm the same re offering the boob at the slightest whimper overnight. However he does nap in his cot without any feed and there are definite signs of improvement overnight, eg last night he woke at 11 and I fed him (quick feed) then he slept till 5.45 which is a brilliant sleep for him. He seems to be generally doing better, coming out of a v bad spell where he's been unwell or teething for most of last 2 months. I think maybe the difference is he's walking now so using up a lot of energy, plus getting put down for nap in cot wide awake and going to sleep quite easily. I hope we may be turning a corner....

Anyway not sure when to poas again, I'm working tomorrow so don't really want to do it in morning, but I think I really need to do it in morning so I'm not still wondering iyswim?
If AF does arrive now I'll feel really disappointed as I'm starting to believe I might actually be pg.

Perpetual have you been tracking your cycles at all? Cm or temping might help you work out what is going on. I was convinced I was pg a few months back but I was actually just having an extremely long cycle. I started charting after that but just cm not temps or I would probably know by now if I was pg.

Jakey, I also offer the boob for the slightest little thing, especially at night as it's the quickest way to get DS back to sleep. I'm planning to try the don't offer, don't refuse thing soon as I'd like to cut down to just a bedtime feed -- once we get past the current horrid combo of jetlag/cold/teething.

Thinkingof4, I have started charting, but without temping as due to the nighttime suckling I don't get long enough stretches of sleep for it to work properly. But this is my first cycle since getting my period back, and I only had one natural cycle after stopping years of the pill before getting pregnant, so I really have nothing to compare it to. I know that this could be a big long cycle, but can't help getting my hopes up. Let me know when you decide to POAS next. I might also do another in the morning as I've got loads of cheapies on hand. If I'm still in this situation next week I may go for a blood test.

Jakeyblueblue Tue 28-Aug-12 09:03:33

Small breakthrough here - didn't offer the boob and managed to do 1am to half 5. Much better than his usual 2 hrly feasts!
Long may it continue!

jennimoo Tue 28-Aug-12 09:10:37

I was feeding DD all through the night until she was 13 months, thinking it was the 'easy' thing to do, but I knew she didn't really need it (would suck a few mins only then be in deep sleep...)

We did lots of gentle things like stretching out gaps between feeds, the Pantley Pull Off etc but made only a small impact. Then DH started going in and settling her and no time (it's a blur so not sure how long...) she was sleeping through. Even when she's sick now she normally goes back off on her own before we get there, and sleeps 7:30 -6am which still after nearly a year feels like a miracle!

Wanted to share, hope you don't mind. I was so tired when up all the time I got fed up of 'advice' especially from the HVs!

Jakeyblueblue Tue 28-Aug-12 09:49:17

Yes, thanks! The only thing is we co sleep so it's on tap all night which makes it harder for dh to settle him. I suppose I could try getting him into his own bed but really don't want to just yet. Dh is a snorer so we haven't shared a bed for years and I kind of feel like the co sleeping allows us to catch up on the time we miss together when I have to work.
I'm proper chuffed with a four and a half hr stretch though! That's unheard of in my house! I will def persevere and try to push it out a bit longer if I can.

Thinkingof4 Tue 28-Aug-12 13:49:24

That's good that your ds did better last night jakey mine also did midnight till 6 so I'm really pleased.
Anyway some spotting today so looks like AF is going to appear v soon sad I kind of wonder if this was an early CP and maybe I should test again to find out. Anyway my logical brain is telling me this is a good thing re finances and better to wait till I'm started in my new job etc. I had actually looked at our budget planner last night and worked out we could afford for me not to get anything other than maternity allowance but hey ho.
Any news perpetual ? I feel glad I at least know what is going on, I hate the not knowing!!!

Jakeyblueblue Tue 28-Aug-12 14:10:44

I'd test I think. It might be bfp and some implantation or normal early Preg spotting???

berryberrylate Tue 28-Aug-12 15:08:32

Perpetual here, have name changed. Still no news other than have been feeling nauseous and faint today. Will POAS again in the morning. You should join me, Thinkingof4, if you're still only spotting tomorrow!

CD37 and counting....

Thinkingof4 Tue 28-Aug-12 21:32:19

Hi berry sounds promising! I had a look on the other thread so I know why you have name changed! Maybe I should try it!

Well I caved and poas this afternoon which predictably was bfn. No more bleeding or spotting yet, but I do feel sl crampy. I suppose it could be implantation but I would have had to have ov'd really late for it to be that. I fully expect AF to arrive tomorrow
I'll keep you posted

BigBoPeep Tue 28-Aug-12 22:01:30

jakey how old is yours please? I offer boob at the drop of a hat & cosleep too - I'll be awake a minute at most and then we drop off again, as a result I have no idea whats going on half the time and don't even remember if i've been woken or not during the night?!

it's just so easy... <lazy>

Jakeyblueblue Tue 28-Aug-12 22:10:10

He's 14 months tmrw. Tbh it's pretty much the same here but I had started to make a point of keeping an eye on the night feeds when we decided to ttc. When I first joined this thread I hadn't got AF back and thought the night feeds might be to blame. If I wasn't ttc I wouldnt care, like you say, it's so easy!

LittleWaveyLines Tue 28-Aug-12 22:11:28

Another one here who just offers boob at the merest squawk in the night,.... blush

berryberrylate Wed 29-Aug-12 06:39:26

Sorry about your BFN Thinkingof4. I also got another BFN this morning - day 38. No signs of AF, but still have possible pregnancy symptoms, including stronger nausea. Am going to try to wait until the weekend to POAS again.

This is so frustrating...

Can I pop in and say hi? I have a 17mo and am still bf twice a day (on wakeup, and at bedtime). DD is a bit of a nightmare and hence the nickname. I'm on cycle 2 TTC at the moment. I don't seem to have especially long cycles. I've been writing down my AF on the diary since it came back when DD was 12mo. I seem to be quite regular on around 28 days. Haven't got any symptons, but it's still early days. I do plan to drop bf after I came back from holidays, since DD doesn't seem very bothered, especially for the morning feed.

Sorry to hear about some of the BFNs.

Thinkingof4 Wed 29-Aug-12 12:42:42

Aargh! Still just spotting today, I was sure I felt cramping last night and was fully prepared (psychologically ) for AF.
Very confusing and frustrating, sorry about your bfn berry
I'm def not testing again till weekend at earliest

Hi onewelcome to the thread!

BR44 Wed 29-Aug-12 13:30:46

For what it's worth Thinkingof4 and berry I got a BFN two days before my BFP, so it's not over til it's over. Irritating and confusing though, yes...

Jakeyblueblue Wed 29-Aug-12 15:55:00

Welcome toddling terror!
Sorry about all the BFN's guys, We aren't having very much luck on this thread are we? sad
Hopefully Thinkingof4 you are still in the game, if not, then hopefully sept will be our month!
I'm feeling very sorry for myself as just had a wisdom tooth out!

berryberrylate Wed 29-Aug-12 16:52:35

That's so frustrating Thinkingof4. And now I'm spotting too! Have convinced myself that it could be implantation bleeding though as I suspect I ovulated quite late about eight days ago. When will I stop clinging to the last hope and admit the obvious?

Thanks BR44. You didn't happen to have any implantation bleeding, did you?

Welcome toddlingterror!

Ouch jakey! Hope you feel better soon!

BigBoPeep Wed 29-Aug-12 17:58:42

thanks jakey!

cheering to see you're here and ttc despite your toddling terror toddlingterror!

jennimoo Wed 29-Aug-12 18:56:43

Hope some of you get some good news in the next few days!

I'm trying to be positive about this next cycle, especially as DD has now been back on her 12h blocks for a week or so.

Keeping busy planning DDs birthday party. If I was pg i was fI've been looking at the dates and if we succeed this month I'll most likely know by then.

jennimoo Wed 29-Aug-12 18:59:01

Sorry, iPhone finger slipped, last paragraph should have said:

Keeping busy planning DDs birthday party. If I was pg i was going to keep it to family, but now I'll expand it a bit. I've been looking at the dates and if we succeed this month I'll most likely know by then.

Thinkingof4 Wed 29-Aug-12 18:59:31

Yes I was about to ask if anyone has ever had implantation bleeding and if so what was it like? <clutching at straws>

Hope your mouth is feeling ok jakey

thinkingof4 Sorry don't know anything about implantation bleeding as I had absolutely no symptons last time, except for missing AF.

jakey hope you are ok too.

DH noticed DD cut 3 teeth today in the bath, including two molars. That might explain why she's had such bad tantrums lately.

I'm finally admitting it's over. The evil witch AF is most definitely here after a 37-day cycle. Back to my regular name too, as this fruity business from the other thread didn't prove to be good luck for me!

In retrospect, not surprising as we hadn't had sex the entire week around when I must have ovulated (if at all). I was in the midst of a stressful family crisis, and the week before that had a horribly stressful week at work (which probably delayed ovulation in the first place), so it really just wasn't my month.

But to some extent I'm relieved to have now had two periods, as I was starting to wonder whether the first one was just a one-off. DS is still suckling so much at night I was surprised my period came back when it did, and it's good to know now that I've had a proper (although longish) cycle.

After weeks of changing my mind back and forth about it, I gave notice to work today that I won't be returning after my current contract ends on 30 September, so I'm hoping removing the stress of that decision will help me chill out more next month. Once I'm finished with this job I will definitely be a more zen person smile - although I haven't quite figured out my next steps yet! I was originally planning to keep working part-time until we had another baby, but am now leaning towards staying home with DS.

In any case DH and I are really going to try to DTD every other day this cycle, once AF is gone. I'm also going to try to lose a few lbs, as that definitely won't hurt. I'm still carrying nearly two extra stone from pregnancy, which is really getting me down...anyone else still dealing with the weight?

Fingers still crossed for you Thinkingof4. Anyone else still waiting for AF or a BFP?

jennimoo Wed 29-Aug-12 21:21:08

perpetual sorry to hear AF is here, but 37 days is way shorter than my first one, and even mine settled after that. I expect this month will be more normal.

Jakeyblueblue Wed 29-Aug-12 22:15:38

Ag sorry to hear about AF, But try to look at the positives perpetual. I wish my cycles were a bit longer, at least it seems you have a decent LP which stands you in real good stead for next month.
I didn't have any implantation bleeding, thinkingof4, In fact I had zero symptoms prior to BFP. My mate did with all 3 of hers though and she said it was pink and lasted a few days. Have got my fingers crossed for you anyway!
My mouth is dire to be honest! I am trying to be brave and remind myself I gave birth to an almost 10 lb baby not so long ago. grin

I just downloaded fertility friend (thanks catdoctor), and following their charting tutorial. It's scary to think that most pregnancy are only on a 3 day window. Also saw haloflo linked some stats from baby center saying about the same thing. Is everyone charting here? I've started doing it, but am thinking of buying some OPKs from ebay to help my chances.

DH is not bothered about this. He simply says it'll happen when it happens.

Perpetual there's always next month!

jennimoo Thu 30-Aug-12 12:23:15

one I am charting, temps, cf and use opks. I buy the opks and hpts from access diagnostics, and also bought a very handy sized little pot to pee from them too!

With DD I used FF and got pg first month trying!

TizzyNo1 Thu 30-Aug-12 12:31:35

Hello all! been off for a while but pleased to catch up on the latest flurry of activity and hello all new joiners! Huge congrats to BR44! and anyone else with BFP I may have missed!

So, after many wobbles we DTD the last month (5 times in a week - DH was knackered hee hee!) and tomorrow is D (test) day. Not yet sure if I'll bother / need to. Bit offeeling like AF lurking to be honest, but even if she doesn't show I'm a bit scared after very early MC 2 cycles ago...plus, what if I get a BFP? I'm not sure about taking lowdose aspirin (as advised by specialist and as we did with DS following previous missed MC) because of risk of reyes syndrome to DS who's still masssive boob monster. Apparently the risk is minute BUT if they do get affected the consequences can be catastrophic. Not happy with that, and I know me and DH will worry the whole time, and worry / stress = massive implications for early MC. Was also told I could try progesterone and heparin but the miscarriage association info says these haven't been used in the long term so risks to unborn baby not clear. Turmoil! Reckon I will try and stay au naturale BUT acutely conscious the horrid early MC could strike again - might just give up if it does eh?

Anyone else on this thread had a few early MCs? Please share experiences if so! When I'm brave enough to test I'll be back....gulp!

TizzyNo1 Thu 30-Aug-12 12:54:32

Weeyun hadn't read your posts when I last posted - sorry to hear about chemical pregs. When we first tried to get preg I had one, maybe two, without knowing what it was, then got preg again and thought hurrah but at 13 week scan told was a missed MC, then finally had DS and thought all would be OK next time - but had early MC around 5 weeks (same time as previously). If it's any consolation, I truly don't think BF is the cause - I've only been BF for one of mine after all. Apparently chem preg and early MC affects 1 in 4 or 5 pregnancies (depending who you speak to) - high chance either way eh? Personally I've come to rationalise it's nature's way - if all is not right chromosomally or hormonally then better the preg stops early. Hard for us tho. Testing early is a poisoned chalice - I always want to know, especially now I'm eligible for early scans to reassure me, which apparently dramatically increases chances of pregnancy lasting - I had a bleed at 6 weeks with DS when working in NY and was convinced it was over. Had a scan, saw heartbeat and, well, he's here and I adore him! But anyway, I've been told if you can conceive while BF BF won't affect the pregnancy thereafter.....fingers crossed for us all x

Tizzy that's the reason I don't test early. I have heard the same statistics about 1 in 4 or 5 pregnancies end in early MC. And we don't know about it a generation ago because we don't have such early pregnancy tests.

Napdamnyou Thu 30-Aug-12 13:18:50

Thanks for this thread. Really helpful. Good luck everyone
. Marking place and will be backup but 20 mo needs breakfast after boob....

TizzyNo1 Thu 30-Aug-12 13:38:45

One - exactly! que sera sera ...........

Thinkingof4 Thu 30-Aug-12 15:10:25

Cd1! AF finally made a proper appearance overnight so that was a monster 38 day cycle! Actually I'm just glad it's here now and I've got a new cycle to try again! Actually that's going to be a tricky decision, as if I conceived before 25th September I wont be eligible for mat pay- if I have another long cycle I might just be close enough to make the dates work, but will risk missing out by about 7 days if I have my normal 32 day cycle! I think we'll just go for it though, and hope my new employers are nice enough to take into account my previous service (nhs) or just overlook the few days out hmm
anyway it's all theoretical unless I can actually get pg!!

perpetual so sorry about AF but at least we can be cycle buddies this month!

tizzy welcome back and fx for tomorrow!!!

one I wish I could be sensible like you re early testing but at least this cycle I didn't get a bfp so my hopes were never raised too much

Thinkingof4 Thu 30-Aug-12 15:13:07

Oh by the way, does anyone know if you can have had a CP without a bfp? I am still wondering what went on this cycle and a CP might just be a possibility. For me, in a way that would be better than the alternative which is that my ovaries are struggling generally ( strong family history of premature menopause which I admit scares the pants off me sad

jennimoo Thu 30-Aug-12 17:36:53

thinkingof4 I reckon you would be able to be just about pg without a bfp as some people don't get their bfp until quite late on. I felt really sick on 10dpo this cycle, so wonder if there's a slight chance that happened for me. More likely wishful thinking!

Thinkingof4 Thu 30-Aug-12 19:47:21

Yes I def felt a bit sick for 2 or 3 days jennimoo
Strangest thing is that I seem to have loads of milk the last couple of days. Ds cam hardly cope with it, where normally I'd expect to have less when AF is here. It all seems a bit odd, but I guess I'll never know the answer so might as well forget it!

Jakeyblueblue Thu 30-Aug-12 21:14:31

Hmmmm, the milk thing is really strange. I reckon you could have a CP before a BFP just about. Hpt's show as positive if hcg is over 20 units I think. And hcg levels double every 24 hrs in the first days of pregnancy so would be easy to miss it. We'll never know and perhaps best we don't! I keep thinking that maybe we conceived this month but didn't really stand a chance due to the shortish LP. Very frustrating. I think we should offer ourselves to some research crew and be hooked up to hormone monitoring devices so we could find out just wtf is going on!
Oh well, we're all back in the game for next month. I might try the old legs up the wall trick this month. This baby making lark is so glamorous! grin

Thinkingof4 Sat 01-Sep-12 19:20:20

Legs up the wall grin

Well I'm feeling very positive with the new month, new cycle and new job next week. Who knows maybe ds3 will even sleep through the night sometime soon!

Keeping fx for tizzy over the weekend

TizzyNo1 Sat 01-Sep-12 21:34:14

Thanks for fx all but no go this time for me I'm afraid sad. actually felt really guilty cuddling and feeding ds1, can't help feeling sorry for the fact that I may not be able to give him a little brother or sister. Hormones not helping I suppose but still, a distinct possibility what with all the challenges. Don't want to be negative tho so going to focus on my beautiful boy smile ... and have a glass of vino!

Thinkingof4 Sun 02-Sep-12 09:31:23

Sorry about that tizzy
I suppose when AF arrives it's always a time for reflection and it's ok to feel a bit negative for a few days. But then you just have to pick yourself up and try again. Here's hoping for some bfps this month

jennimoo Sun 02-Sep-12 18:56:57

Sorry Tizzy about AF and feeling down.

AF has left now so I better start looking at when I'm likely to ovulate this month and warn tell DH. I'm pretty sure the window is next weekend: when the in laws are staying!

Munchkinsmama Sun 02-Sep-12 22:35:13

Ohh I knew there'd be a thread with you ladies on!! Can I join?

I'm still bf In the day and countless times at night. Ds is 9.5 months. ( am
I mad to ttc #2???, I am, aren't I!!).

I haven't had a period yet though (major bouts of pmt this weekend though and a tiny drop of blood when I wipe (sorry tmi on an intro right?!) So, anyone ttcing without aunt flo??

Muchkinsmama I think you can be ovulating without AF. Have you googled if OPK will work without AF? I guess you could try to just DTD every 2-3 days and hope for the best!

tizzy I'm not having any luck this cycle either. I'm in my fertile window according to fertility friend. But DH has injured himself so aren't in any mood to DTD. I'm staying positive for the next cycle.

I'm learning quite a bit from the fertility friend tutorial actually. I'm going to order some preseed from amazon. I didn't even know regular lube is hostile to sperms!

Well, AF finished up yesterday so I will now be embarking on my campaign of DTD every other day until AF shows her ugly face again. DH isn't complaining and probably would prefer to TTC a bit longer as he's not going to be getting very lucky for quite a while once I'm PG!

Thinkingof4, hope we're not cycle buddies for long -- maybe see you on an antenatal thread instead? grin

How's everyone else getting on?

Sorry about AF Tizzy, better luck next month.

Welcome Munchkin!

mummysmellsofsick Mon 03-Sep-12 20:16:05

I don't strictly belong here but I'm enjoying lurking as I'm bf my nearly 10 mo and thinking about ttc in the next 6-12 months. My period returned last month which is why we've started to think about it. Interested to see how it's going for people, as I don't intend to give up bf ever soon and would like another one at some stage in the next 2 years. Will get back to reading the thread now

Jakeyblueblue Mon 03-Sep-12 22:44:03

Evening guys and welcome to all our new recruits. smile
My body is falling to pieces. Ended up with a dry socket after having the wisdom tooth out and now got what I think is mastitis!! What's that all about? Never had it in my life! Guess its coz ds is feeding less. I feel ok though, just got a sore red boob so hoping Kelly moms advice will prevent a trip to the drs. Currently got a hot water bottle down my nightie!!
As for the baby making, on day 13 andI got all excited when my boob started to hurt! Thought it may have been ovulation coming on time for once, rather than late. Then it really started hurting and my hopes have faded fast grin
Going to start with my new CB digital opks tmrw and better start getting some action in. Dh says I only want him for one thing and he'd be right!

Jakeyblueblue Hope your mastitis gets better quickly. It's rubbish when you get poorly just at the wrong time isn't it? And my DH said the same thing about I just want him for one thing lol.

Is it full-blown mastitis or still a blocked duct Jakey? If it's mastitis, I think you need antibiotics to clear it up, but if it's still just a blocked duct you have a narrow window to clear it before it gets infected. I have gotten them every time we go through some sort of feeding transition, but have always been able to clear them by massaging them in a hot shower (sometimes for up to an hour - but it works).

Good luck getting it cleared xx

Thinkingof4 Tue 04-Sep-12 19:45:54

Aw jakey hope you are feeling better, it's no fun being sore
Welcome mummysmellsofsick and munchkinsmama

You def can conceive before first AF so good luck- I remember talking about catching the first egg a few months ago but to be fair we haven't been trying properly up till now so hopefully you will manage it!

perpetual yes hope to see you somewhere else soon! grin

I'm not officially TTC till 25th so will probably be too late for this cycle by then unless I have another wonky delayed ov type thing. I have (at last ) started my new job which is going to be v busy so I'll need some settling in time and if I fall pg before then I would miss getting mat pay by a few days and then hopefully I'll be properly ready!

Jakeyblueblue Tue 04-Sep-12 20:22:42

I dont really know what it was perpetual. I've never had either before but my boob was really really sore and had a red line appear on it. I couldn't feel any lumps or anything and I felt fine physically. Whatever it was, it's better today. The redness has gone and it's less sore. Fingers crossed that's the last of that!

Jakeyblueblue Wed 05-Sep-12 22:35:33

Cd14 and ewcm! No positive opk yet but usually dont get a positive until ive had 2 days of ewcm. Could ov actually be on time this cycle?!!!!! grin

jennimoo Thu 06-Sep-12 08:34:10

jakey good luck!

I'm just a couple of days behind,cd11, and planning to start opks today. Don't have much luck with them, although did get a + the cycle DD was conceived! I think then I was trying not drinking or peeing for a couple of hours before testing. Not so easy to plan with a toddler... I thought as I have lots of opks I'd try twice a day, maybe 12 and 7 or something, to see when works for me. Anyone got any tips on that?

Glad your boob is better jakey, and good luck TTC!

How's everyone else getting on? I'm staying away from OPKs this month as they frustrate me, and just trying to shag loads instead grin

Jakeyblueblue Thu 06-Sep-12 17:03:28

I test at tea time jenni, as I know that it's advised that levels are usually low first thing. Having said that though, last cycle I woke up with ov pain and tested at 8am and it was a clear positive. I've also tested after drinking loads and it's been positive. I did think about testing twice daily but don't seem to have missed one yet so think I'll stick to what I've been doing. Tbh, since I've been doing the opk's they have only really confirmed what I already knew. Every cycle I have had clear ewcm for a few days before. Was reading a good article the other day that said the secret to getting Preg was to just shag like mad whenever you've got ewcm even if it's at a bizarre time, it's there for a reason, so perpetual you are def along the right lines
I've told dh we have to do it everyday this week. So romanticsmile!

Jakeyblueblue Sat 08-Sep-12 12:09:38

Cd 17 and got a grinning face on my shiny new CB opk! Dtd yesterday and the day before and have just text dh to tell him to get his butt home whilst ds is still having his nap. wink
Going with the legs up the wall I think! It's took me by surprise really as last 3 cycles it's been cd21! Hopefully this means LP is going to be better! Wish me luck grin

Thinkingof4 Sat 08-Sep-12 20:01:29

Fx for this month jakey it's sounding good! I think I might ov early this month after the v long cycle last month, as having lots of cm already and only day 11. Almost ewcm already, most strange.
Actually I could easily think I was pg ignoring all the bfns as the last few days I've been sooo tired, also getting dizzy when I stand up (which always happen when I'm pg). Its most odd. I even did another test after AF to make sure I'm not. Mind you ds3 has started getting up 3/4 times per night again which might explain my exhaustion!

mrstiggywinklethehappyhedgehog Sat 08-Sep-12 20:29:09

Hello, can I join the thread? Lots of luck to everyone trying for a BFP this month! My DD is 13 months and a milk monster so no AF yet, I'm starting to think about night weaning her to see if that kickstarts things but not sure I can handle the crying (she wakes every couple of hours, is in our bed from around 11pm and pretty much grazes freely after that). I was a bit relieved to see I'm not the only one who whips a boob out at the first whimper at night ( I think jakey and waveylines mentioned that earlier...?) But I think it might be my undoing... I'm feeling especially broody today after seeing 3 friends' little babies but really agonising over whether trying to wean my little milk monkey is going to be to traumatic / too soon. She loves her milk and I love feeding her. But I've got the baby hunger! Argh what to do?!

Has anyone deliberately weaned / night weaned in order to TTC? And how did it go...?

And I also wanted to say to tizzy, I had 2 MCs before DD, one at 6 weeks and one at 9weeks, I really feel for you. It is heartbreaking. But please don't give up hope. Thinking of you.

jennimoo Mon 10-Sep-12 08:54:56

Hello mrstiggywinkle. Sorry but can't advise. My DD was (and still is a milk monster and my AF came back at 7 months, well before I night weaned at 13 months. I would suggest 'block feeding' if you don't want to wean and see if that helps: instead of swapping sides every feed do it every other one. I feed left side am and right side pm.

Well with in laws here we only managed to (successfully...) DTD once over the weekend but hoping if we do tonight we'll be ok, as likely to O tomorrow I reckon (very roughly as cycles are a mess!)

Good luck to the rest of you, I guess some are on the 2ww now already?

Well, CD 13 here and have mostly stuck to our plan of DTD every other day since AF finished this cycle. We missed out one night but made up for it the next.

Thinkingof4, are you me? we really are cycle buddies. I also noticed some EWCM on CD 11. Not sure what that's about as the last cycle was so long, but hoping things are normalising and maybe I will OV mid-cycle. I have also continued to experience some of the PG symptoms I was feeling towards the end of last cycle and have considered taking another test but convinced myself it would be crazy so didn't. What is wrong with us?

Congrats on OV jakey, fx for you this cycle!

Welcome mrstiggywinkle!

<Waves to everyone else>

Thinkingof4 Mon 10-Sep-12 13:38:48

Hi mrstiggywinkle can't help with your question, but I believe average time for AF to return for extended bfeeders is 14 months so you might not have much longer to wait.
perpetual that is quite bizarre isn't it? I'm quite glad someone else is having strange cycles though so I know it's not just me!! I feel like I'm having some weird phantom pregnancy with all these symptoms even though I know I'm not confused

jennimoo Thu 13-Sep-12 08:08:42

Hello everyone. Pretty sure I'm on the 2ww now, anyone else?

I actually managed to get a positive opk this month too, so fairly sure I'm 2dpo now. I think it was all a little too much pressure for DH though and we haven't successfully DTD since the day before, so fingers crossed that's close enough to give us a shot.

TizzyNo1 Thu 13-Sep-12 09:04:31

Hello all, and massive thanks to mrstiggy! Trying to keep the ole pecker up grin.

Currently on cd14, dtd day 11 and 13 so far. Boobmonster is still having super crazy sleep so am knackered and in that horrid 'am I doing something wrong?!' fog - how sexy, not! To those having ewcm early: I tend to get it from day 11 ish, cycle seems to have stabilized around 28 days.

Out of interest, boobmonster is 22 months and typically going to bed 730, waking once or twice and getting up 5ish often, hence not getting 'enough' sleep? He naps for 1-2 hrs at lunchtime. Has anyone had similar and improved lo's sleep by altering schedule? Ta muchly!

TizzyNo1 Thu 13-Sep-12 10:09:35

Wow, I must be tired cos I forgot to say sorry for your losses too mrstiggy blush - apologies!

Thinkingof4 Thu 13-Sep-12 11:50:52

Hi tizzy I don't think that your wee one's sleep sounds that bad tbh. Ds3 sleeps 7.30-6ish with 2 or 3 wakings during night, and has up to 2 hours nap during the day, so not that different to yours. He's 15 months so a fair bit younger. Occasionally he will sleep a bit later, like this morning till 7. I'm hoping as the mornings start getting darker he'll sleep till 7 more often (we do have blackout blinds which are good but a little light always gets in)

Loads of ewcm last 2 days so I'm fairly sure i'll have a shorter cycle this month thank goodness!

Fx to all those on 2ww!!

TizzyNo1 Thu 13-Sep-12 12:45:59

thinkingof4 that's made me feel sooo much less anxious about it! Thanks. Are you co-sleeping? We're not anymore and I always wonder if we should revert. Deep down I know bf bubbas sleep differently often even into toddlerhood but boy it helps to be reminded sometimes!

Well, CD 17 here and no idea whether I've OV'd yet. Have DTD on CDs 6, 9, 11, 14, 15, and 16 so far. Will try to keep going for another week to cover all our bases as if I had another 37-day cycle, I would ovulate around CD 23. Hoping to have a more normal cycle this time around though.

I had a bit of potential EWCM on CD 11, but don't know after that as I find it really difficult to tell the difference between that and semen...any tips? blush

Yay for positive OPK jenimoo! Yay for EWCM Thinkingof4!

Tizzy, we're still mostly co-sleeping too, although it's because we've recently moved house and will be getting our stuff - including DS' bed - soon. He sleeps terribly in the travel cot so getting his bed back will be a lifesaver. I'm going to work to gradually move him back to his own bed, then his own room, then stop the night-time suckling soon as the interrupted sleep is killing me. He's having a reaction to last week's MMR jab at the moment, so was suckling all night last night. I am shattered today.

Jakeyblueblue Fri 14-Sep-12 13:52:06

Hi all,
7dpo for me and in the imagining symptoms phase. wink feeling sick today and had cramps yesterday. Dtd cd 15, 16 and 17 and ov'd on cd 17 so fingers crossed.
Tizzy I don't think that's too bad either! My ds goes to bed about 9 blush, we co sleep and he wakes several times (rummages around for boob to be precise), then Wakes about 8. He never actually wakes properly or cries though and I don't have to get up so I guess I really can't complain.
Am still wobbling a bit about how being Preg or having a new born might affect this though. Oh well, bit late now! grin
Waiting until 14dpo to test this cycle. Can't work out when AF is actually due as ov'd alot earlier this month. Last few cycles have been 31 days but ov'd on cd21 so it's Anyones guess!

Asmywhimsytakesme Fri 14-Sep-12 20:45:41

Hi ladies,

I would like to join you if I may?

I have one dc and hoping to get pg but still bf. No af yet though sad I had massive cramping for the last few days - so sore it actually woke me up, but no actual AF has appeared! Has anyone experienced this?

Jakeyblueblue Sun 16-Sep-12 20:34:57

8dpo.
Tested. Couldn't resist. BFN. What a surprise. grin
What do you think the chances of it being too early?
Think we should start a new thread. Poas anonymous. For those of us are physically unable to wait until AF is actually late. wink

jennimoo Mon 17-Sep-12 06:09:41

Hiya asmywhimsy

jakey I'm 5dpo and usually manage to hold of til 10dpo. With DD I got BFN at 10dpo and BFP at 12dpo. I use fertility friend and it gives % chance of getting a BFP (if you were pregnant) each day which being obsessed with data and statistics suits me!

Jakeyblueblue Mon 17-Sep-12 11:12:57

This makes me feel better jenni!
I have given dh the bag of sticks and told him I am not allowed one until at Lear the end of the week, that's if AF doesn't appear before. smile

Thinkingof4 Mon 17-Sep-12 11:42:49

Too early jakey ! give it another day (or 3!!) and test again, keeping everything crossed for you here!

Hi asmywhimsy I remember having lots of odd pains/cramps before AF appeared so it's a good sigh I'd say smile

jennimoo Mon 17-Sep-12 13:08:13

asmywhimsy I had cramps that woke me and thought it was AF, turned out to be a bladder infection so i suggest you go to doctor if it carries on and AF doesn't appear. It really felt like period pains to me, but by the time I saw doctor it was pretty bad!

Asmywhimsytakesme Mon 17-Sep-12 13:27:02

Still no AF and I wonder if it was a slight bladder infection!

Aaaagh sad just want AF to come back so I know if I can get pg

Jakeyblueblue Tue 18-Sep-12 19:16:41

Right. God knows what's going on now.
10dpo. Tested this am. Bfn.
Last 3 cycles my LP has been 10 days so figured AF should be due today.
What's weird is that I've got EWCM, had it yesterday too and today I've had cramps really low down. Feels just like ov pain. I remembered what happened to br44, so did an opk and it was neg.
Guess the pains could be AF coming but never have AF cramps like this. Usually they start when AF does and they are like dull back ache. Never had anything like this pre AF.
It's prob AF on the way and I guess if it is, I ought to pleased that at least I ov'd earlier and had a longer LP this cycle. It has crossed my mind it may be implantation? But then I never had it with ds I don't think so prob wishful thinking!
My gut feeling is that I'm out this cycle and my lucky cycle will be next month as it will be exactly two years since I found out I was expecting ds.! Have heard some women can only get preggo at certain times of the year!
This ttc lark sends perfectly rational people into stark raving loonies! grin

Ps. Welcome anywhim, hope AF will soon be with you and hope all is well for everyone else!

mrstiggywinklethehappyhedgehog Tue 18-Sep-12 20:02:12

Hi whimsy, sounds like you're in the same boat as me, it's so frustrating isn't it?! Really want to ttc but no idea when we'll be able to. I really hope I don't have to stop bf. I tried to cut down daytime feeds a couple of days recently and she just made up for it by feeding all night! Hmmm...

Thanks tizzy for your kind thoughts too.

Good luck jakey I really hope you have a BFP soon (and everyone else too!)

jennimoo Wed 19-Sep-12 06:14:19

jakey I've got a bit of ewcm (as last month) and although fertility friend hasn't complained my temps have been quite low the last few days. I'm not feeling very positive as pretty sure last successfully DTD a couple of days before O.
Will probably test Friday though: 9 / 10dpo.

Hope those of you waiting for AF have some luck soon, or catch that first egg!

Jakeyblueblue Wed 19-Sep-12 13:30:48

Well still no AF, was convinced it would be here today. Still got the cramps, still got ewcm. Haven't tested as pointless if it was bfn yesterday. Will re test tmrw if no AF. Never had anything like this before and never had a cycle with a longer LP than 10 days since my periods came back. On Unchartered territory now!

jennimoo Wed 19-Sep-12 18:49:52

jakey I think that's a great sign, either for this month or for a longer luteal phase for future!
I'm keen to test but will wait til Friday.

Thinkingof4 Wed 19-Sep-12 19:49:04

I agree, jakey that sounds good. Fx

Hi ladies, CD 23 here and I finally OV'd yesterday, so it will be another long cycle for me. Good to know I OV'd though, as had very clear signs: three days of EWCM and then strong OV pains last night. I haven't had such clear OV signs since the cycle I conceived DS! We DTD CDs 20, 21 and 22 (not to mention nearly every other day before that since the start of this cycle!), so at least I know we've timed everything right this cycle. Now I'm on the dreaded 2ww. I'd estimate that AF is due 4 October.

Jakey, I agree with the others that your signs are positive. I've got everything crossed for you! Let us know when you POAS again.

Jenimoo, good luck to you too! Anyone else testing soon?

Cycle buddy Thinkingof4, what's going on with you?

Welcome Asmywhimsytakesme!

Jakeyblueblue Thu 20-Sep-12 16:25:51

Excellent news perpetual. Hoping this cycle is the one for you!
Well I poas this am and bfn, now 12dpo. Still masses of ewcm but the cramps have stopped. This is weird.
I do feel like I could be preggo but the test is telling me otherwise! Maybe, it's still too early if I only implanted in the last couple of days, this the cramping. Who knows. AF prob on its way. Guess I will have to sit it out another 2 days. If its still BFN at 14dpo then I will officially abandon hope for this cycle! Well chuffed I am now on 12dpo though! Was a bit worried about that short LP!

Thinkingof4 Thu 20-Sep-12 19:42:48

perpetual sounds promising now you just have to be patient for next 2 weeks! I'm pretty sure i ovulated early this month but no dtd around then as I'm deliberately not trying this month. Really clear signs of ovulation too but nevermind I'll hopefully have the same again next month
jakey sorry you had another bfn but it could all change by the weekend. Longer LP is good thing either way

Thinkingof4 Thu 20-Sep-12 19:43:52

Ooh sorry and jenimoo good luck for tomorrow!!

jennimoo Fri 21-Sep-12 06:34:26

BFN for me today, but a bit on the early side. Fx for tomorrow, and the next day, and the one after that...

Badgerwife Fri 21-Sep-12 21:33:59

Hello there, can I join this thread? We've started TTC No 2 a couple of months ago. I'm breastfeeding 14 months old DD with no plan to stop. DD is a greedy little thing who still wakes up once in the night for a little drink and also has morning and bedtime feeds. She's also known to have a bit for comfort whenever she's knackered and/or falls over and has a meltdown.

Is it really supposed to be more difficult to fall pregnant whilst breastfeeding a toddler? My period came back four months after the birth so I sort of assumed all was back to normal.

jennimoo Sat 22-Sep-12 07:33:34

Hello badgerwife. I don't think it's necessarily harder to get pg when bf ing but it depends on whether your body wants to make it more difficult! I was lucky AF came back quite quickly even though DD was (and is!) a milk monster!

Do you follow your fertility signs, like cervical fluid? I'd say that's a good sign if you're ovulating. You could also try charting your temperature too if you fancy it. I love graphs so track everything on the fertility friend site...

Another BFN today but still only 10 or 11 dpo so not put yet... I am remotes to get the more sensitive pg tests next month (assuming I'm
Not pg already I suppose!) as cant help but wonder if I'd have a BFP with the super early tests. Need to stop obsessing ;)

Sorry about your BFNs jenimoo, fingers crossed that you have a BFP coming and it's just too early to show. What tests have you been using? Maybe try a different brand?

How's it going Jakey, have you POAS again? We are seriously due some BFPs on this thread!

I'm 3 dpo and starting to symptom spot against my better judgment. I've not conjured up noticed as many things as last month, but since I OV'd I've been terribly windy (this was one of my first symptoms when PG with DS) and my right nipple has become very sensitive, making feeding DS from that side uncomfortable. This is going to be a very long 2ww...

Welcome Badgerwife!

jennimoo Sat 22-Sep-12 08:35:16

I just use the cheap dippy sticks. They're 25 something or other HCG sensitivity, but the super early are just 10 so probably a day or two earlier. I know it's unlikely to get a BFP this early anyway so not bothered.

I think the wind was also prevalent when I conceived DD, but haven't noticed any this cycle. Less time to pay attention with a toddler though I guess!

Jakeyblueblue Sat 22-Sep-12 09:43:11

How weird!!!
One of my symptoms was wind with ds and I noticed it again a few days ago! Didn't like to say in case you all thought I was giving way tmi!
Anyways, 14dpo today and poas this am. Was a clear bfn yesterday but this morning I am not sure if there was the faintest ever line. I dont know if my eyes are playing tricks on me and you really have to squint and hold it in the light to see it. Im classing it as a bfn as its clearly far more bfn than bfp! Would have thought i would be getting bfp by now if i was preggo though! Still no AF so am proper clueless as to wtf Is going on!
Don't feel like AF Is going to come really either. I too, have one sore nip but then I've had that pre AF in previous cycles. Have had several
episodes of nausea but was hungry and as soon as I ate it went. Still got ewcm and cramping on and off. Never had a cycle longer than 31 days since my periods came back and think its odd that LP hasnt slowly lengthened, rather than jumping from 10 to 15 days. Am beginning to wonder if my Internet cheapies are the prob. Think I am going to buy some proper ones today and if AF still not here tmrw I'll do one. I did have one cycle where AF came on the evening of day 31 so if it's not here by tmrw then I am going to consider it late. If it does show up then it goes to show that really anything can happen with cycles and bf!
Sorry to hear about your bfn jenni, keep going, you may not have even implanted yet!
Welcome badger, sounds like you are in the same position as me. My ds is 14 months, although he still gluggs milk all night long! He has dropped a tea time feed this week though so am now officially down to bedtime and what he helps himself to during the night! Did wonder if that's why LP seems to be getting longer. I'd really advise you get some opk's and a thermometer and join is in obsessing about our fertility signs!
Perpetual this is def going to be a long tww! I thought I had symptoms about an hour after we dtd! Ha ha! Crackers the lot of us!

jennimoo Sun 23-Sep-12 07:59:46

Since yesterday's posts about wind I have of course noticed signs, no obviously must be pg ;)

Another (still early) BFN today and feeling quite down about it sad last month was a bit of a struggle and DTD (successfully...) became quite stressful. That and the fact it's DDs 2nd birthday on Wednesday means I was really hoping this month was the one. I know it still might be, just gotta resist the urge to go to boots and spend too much on one of those super sensitive tests!

Sorry about another BFN jenimoo. If it were me I'd definitely try a more sensitive test! but I'm impatient

Ooh Jakey, your symptoms sound really promising to me. Let us know when you POAS again!

Only 4 dpo here...I think I'll let myself POAS at 11 dpo as that's when my pregnancy with DS showed up. I know it would be better to wait a few more days, but realistically don't think I'll make it! So bring on next Sunday...

Jakeyblueblue Sun 23-Sep-12 09:22:38

I'm in the same boat jenni sad
Did a tesco test this am and bfn. Still no AF though. I got the opk on cd17 so I guess I could have actually ov'd on cd 18 or 19, making this only 13 dpo. But if that's the case we had stopped dtd by then so there's no chance.
Think I am going to admit the inevitable and give up! Def no more tests for a least a week if still no AF. I'm also going to temp next month so I can actually confirm I've ov'd.
Come on perpetual, looks like it might be just down to you ths month! grin

jennimoo Sun 23-Sep-12 21:22:16

perpetual you are a bad influence. Went and bought a test to do in the morning. However I think it's no better sensitivity wise than my dippy sticks, now I've looked at it closely!
To be on the safe side I guess I'll just have to do both In the morning!
I was super-teary this morning. Obviously a pg sign not an AF sign...

BigWhoop Sun 23-Sep-12 23:45:31

Woooohooo - I got my period!! I'm fertile again! Yaaaay. grin
Boo to these damn cramps though...sad

Jakeyblueblue Mon 24-Sep-12 10:32:29

Yay big Woop! You can join us lot on our crazy 2ww's!

Still no AF here. Sore nips. Am baffled.sad

jennimoo Mon 24-Sep-12 11:46:57

Good news bigwhoop. And in keeping fx for you jakey.

2 BFNs today, and 4 days til AF due I think. Feel like I should be out as no symptoms, but my temperatures are going up a bit (can be a sign of being pg, and happened when made DD...)
My charts here if anyone is into chart stalking...

www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2b22c1/

Sorry jenimoo. I am a bad influence, I know <hangs head in shame> But you still have a good chance. I've got everything crossed for you.

Same for you Jakey. No news is good news until AF shows.

I need to indulge in a little symptom-spotting, if I may. So far, I've got: wind, bloat, a pulling feeling in the womb area, sensitive nips, and nausea if I get too hungry. This is all in my head again, isn't it?

Yay for AF, BigWhoop! I felt stupidly excited when mine came back a couple of months ago. Welcome to properly TTC!

jennimoo Mon 24-Sep-12 18:41:36

I've ordered super-sensitive dippy sticks which should arrive tomorrow, with plenty for next month and opks too. So I expect to get my BFP in the morning and have wasted my £6 ;)

Jakeyblueblue Tue 25-Sep-12 12:53:29

Still no AF.
Pretty sure I ov'd end of last week when I had that ewcm and cramps. It's the only explanation. Had awful sickness with ds by now so it's unlikely I'm pregs. Goes to show we really can't trust the opk's! That's two of us now! I def got a big smiley face on cd17! If not here by the weekend, I'll test again.
Def temping next cycle and also going to revert to the tactic that got me up the duff the first time round! Dtd three times a week , every week and then also when I have ewcm, even if it at a strange time. This is so frustrating!!!

Thinkingof4 Tue 25-Sep-12 14:11:57

Aw jakey and jennimoo how frustrating for you both. But you are not out till AF appears so there is still hope.
I almost thought AF was appearing this morning which would be 28 day cycle- unheard of for me! Not sure if it will appear properly this evening. Bizarre but I want AF to appear as we are properly trying this month!!
Big whoop for AF bigwhoop grin

jennimoo Tue 25-Sep-12 19:01:19

Well a BFN this morning and another on the new sticks this evening (had hardly drink anything all day so was a good test!) so not looking good.

Not sure if its AF or Pg sign but today I forgot how to drive the car (even pulled over with hazards) then forgot how to get back to where I'd parked the car and walked round in circles. I think I need AF to arrive so hopefully my sanity returns too!

BigWhoop Tue 25-Sep-12 22:37:06

Why thank you all! It's the first time I've ever been cheered for my period grin

My dd is 15mo, my baby friends seem to think I am crazy for even considering trying for another, as one of them said yesterday "they are just such hard work right now, and I really think that they need our whole attention" I keep reminding them 9 months is a long time, and it took me a year to conceive the first time, so I could be looking at a 3 year old by the time the next one pops out so why delay it... it's not going to get easier in the short term, and I'm not prepared to wait! I have a bicornuate uterus (it is shaped like a heart) which makes pregnancy high risk (for the babies), and I've had issues in the past. I'd rather go through that before my dd can talk and ask questions!

Hmmmm having a rant here! Sorry. Needed to vent.

I think I'm out. Looks like AF has arrived, so it turns out I was really wrong about OV this month. I thought I was having another long cycle but it was a perfect 28 days.

We aren't doing so well on this thread, are we? Anecdotally it seems that BF does make it more difficult to get pregnant. Between this and the constantly interrupted sleep I am seriously looking to start dropping feeds soon.

Jakeyblueblue Wed 26-Sep-12 16:00:00

Oh no perpetual sad we def aren't having much luck! We also seem to be pretty rubbish at predicting ovulation! Still no AF here but don't feel preggers either. Just going to have to sit it out.
How old is little one perpetual? I think I recall he's a little younger than ds. He's just 15 months and has started dropping feeds this last week or two. He really isn't at all interested in the day now and literally feeds last thing and some snacks in the night. Hang on in there, it might happen on its own! smile

Thinkingof4 Wed 26-Sep-12 16:36:18

How bizarre perpetual that we have both had a 28 day cycle this month- AF has arrived properly so today is cd1. It's YEARS since I had a 28 day cycle and have been consistently 31/32 days for last few years. If it wasn't for the fact that you are having similarly strange AF to me I'd be worried by now!

Still waiting to poas again jakey? You may yet be our ray of hope on this thread grin

I'm starting to think about stopping bfing ds3 who is nearly 16 month now but I don't have the energy to go through any trauma with it at the moment, so will probably just keep going

Jakeyblueblue Wed 26-Sep-12 20:15:36

My nips are really sore. What's that all about? It's either AF or I'm the first person to allude the pregnancy test!
Poas on Monday and was bfn so given up. Only have two cheapies and one tesco left so guess I could test tmrw.
If AF is on the way, god knows when I ov'd. Can't of been last week or when I got the opk. This is rubbish. I'm just going to shag loads next cycle and quit trying to pretend I can figure out my fertile signs! grin

jennimoo Thu 27-Sep-12 08:20:10

AF and Cd1 for me today. Almost the exact same cycle as last month so at least I have a fair idea what will happen next month.

Now just got to work out with DH what the 'plan' is this month. Last month he had 'run out of steam'' by O day which didn't help our stress levels or the getting pg! So might need to start DTD lots a little later... Not looking forward to the conversation as don't want to stress him out as then we have no chance!

Lones80 Thu 27-Sep-12 08:24:20

Hello, I am currently breastfeeding my 10 month old twice a day and have just come off the mini-pill. Still haven't had AF but have felt 'periody' the last few days. How long have others taken to get their first AF?

jennimoo Thu 27-Sep-12 08:30:47

Hi lones80

We are all very different, depends on your body more than your feeding I think. I've had mine since DD was 7 m despite her being a milk monster day and night, others are still waiting at much later.

Good luck!

Jakeyblueblue Thu 27-Sep-12 14:13:35

Hi lones,
This will be my 5th AF since they returned and ds is just 15 months. Hope yours are soon with you!
Still no AF. Poas and bfn. Def not Preg. Can't be. Must have ov'd last week when I had the ewcm.
Looks like we're all here for another month! smile

Thinkingof4 I had a 27 day cycle this month and I've always been a 30+ day girl pre-DD. By the way, I keep telling myself that summer babies are more likely to struggle at school. I found it a great way to stay positive with the BFN!

Apologies to anyone who already have a summer baby. I think I need some wine

Jakeyblueblue Thu 27-Sep-12 18:58:31

Oh dear! Ds is end of June! grin

Thinkingof4 Fri 28-Sep-12 20:21:28

onelittle I'm in Scotland so summer babies are fine for me. I want to avoid November/ December. I have a January one but we deferred his school place for a year so he was 5.5 when he started (one of the best things about Scottish system is that you can do that for jan/feb babies if you want)
So a bfp this month and edd in July would be great!

lones I think ds was 11 months when I got AF.

jennimoo sorry about AF hope you are feeling ok

jakey I don't really know what to say. I can totally sympathise with your situation though having had a couple of long/ bizarre cycles. It's easy to let yourself dream about that bfp. Very frustrating for your body to be playing tricks hmm

Jakey, my DS is 15 months. We don't normally do daytime feeds any more (unless I need a quick-fix to get him down for a nap), and I really don't mind the bedtime feed, but it's nights that are killing me. He goes down in his own bed for a 5-6 hour stretch then almost always ends up in our bed when he wakes. He then suckles for the rest of the night and wakes up and cries if I try to put him back in his own bed. He used to do better in his own bed, but we messed everything up over the past few months with a lot of travel and moving house. I used to be able to sleep pretty well with him in the bed, but now that he's so big it's difficult as he rolls and thrashes around, sometimes head butts me, etc. We really need to start sleeping better soon.

Sorry you're still stuck in limbo...how frustrating! Hope you do get a BFP or at least AF shows up soon.

Jenimoo, sorry about AF, but at least you know where you stand now. Better luck this month!

Thinkingof4, where did these sudden 28-day cycles come from? Hopefully this bodes well for us both this cycle!

Lones80, my AF came back when DS was 13 months old. I felt like it was coming on and off for about four months before it actually did. Are you looking to TTC soon? If so, good luck!

ToddlingTerror, I'm another with a summer DC. DS was born at the end of June! grin I would rather have another summer baby than a winter baby TBH.

perpetual travelling does wreak havoc to a toddler's routine. DD has been sleeping through for 3 months or so. But she went back to waking up once a night since our holiday. I stopped the night feeds at 15mo because she has grown too big for it. The same thrashing, head butting you are experiencing now. And sleeping sideways across the bed too. I use Dr Jay Gordon's method and she slept through once I stopped the night feeds and the cosleeping. (Until the holidays obviously).

jennimoo Sun 30-Sep-12 10:22:43

I hadn't thought about timing to the school year... DD is end of September, so quite good timing I guess. If we're unsuccessful this month ill be going for and August baby next, DH laughed when I suggested skipping a month!

I'm exhausted after a day of parties yesterday, toddlers in the morning, grandparents (3 sets) in the afternoon. The 'highlight' was my mum yet again asking when DC2 is coming, in front of party guests, by grabbing my belly. I'm tempted to say that if I were trying that could be very upsetting, but I think that would just encourage her, as would imply we are TTC.... Ahhhhh!

It would indeed be madness if we stop ttc to avoid a summer baby. That would be 1/4 of the year skipped! I guess it's not so much of a problem if I'm 20. But I'm 38 and I feel every cycle is precious.

Jakeyblueblue Sun 30-Sep-12 21:28:35

Yes and I'm a summer baby and am super intelligent and dh is a winter baby and super dumb grin