Morning ladies, just checking in after a busy weekend and massive CONGRATULATONS to DigitalGirl . That must have been a surprise but what great news to come away from the hospital with...it's understandable to be anxious (and if I was you I'd be POAS already!) but I really hope you get a scan next week to reassure yourself that all is well

Bucky hope the stimming is going well. Sending you very eggy vibes . I got through stimming with lots of water (3 litres a day at least) and hot water bottle on my tummy every night (think that was from Zita West...). Hope your first scan shows lots of lovely follicles growing . Glad to hear you you had a lovely time with GG and PnM

Ei glad you've decided against the online pharmacy, but I so understand how tempting that may be...I don't want to sound trite, but I really do believe you'll get your second DC. You can get pregnant and will get the help you need with aspirin to carry your next baby to term. Just hoping that the BFP is around the corner for you so you can start treatment/aspirin asap! And in the meantime, you're doing really well on the weight loss. Which is great as when you get pregnant you'll be in a much better position for handling the pregnancy weight gain

MrsH hope things are going swimmingly with little Phoebe. Loved the FB pictures - she's a beauty! And your DD1 looks so proud to be a big sis too!

Readyfor hope the wedding plans are coming along nicely

MOB hope the boys are doing well.

Jollybear glad to hear that you're over your bugs. And sounds like you have a struggle on your hands with your MIL (er bakewell tart??). My MIL is kind of the opposite...hasn't really acknowledged the pregnancy iykwim and no mention of her coming over from the States when the baby arrives (which I'm happy with! My FIL on the other hand, who I get along great with, would probably be on the first flight over if he can ). She's into yoga therapy and was in India pre-Bruges doing a course/internship. She actually had a private tutorial on male factor infertility (which I knew from a mass email she sent to all friends and family - which was annoying, in a sort of "OK, we've been open about the IVF but puh-lease, can't we just be happy and pregnant now?) but yet when it came up she was like "oh, was that why you had IVF? I hadn't realised". Which made me so annoyed, made even more annoyed when she started to drone on about prana flowing through the lower abdomen (quackery alert! Especially as she had no idea about things like weight gain and ovulation problems/hormone disruption in women nor how long it takes for sperm to be made etc etc). But that was on the last day, so we managed to get through the first three days pretty problem free and now I won't see her for about a year so am not too bothered! She could be a real meddler, so at least I can count my blessings in that regard!

Sorry for that massive MIL ramble . I'm off to Cork for tonight, for my SIL's 40th, and looking forward to seeing my own mum and family . DH is staying at home, well at my dsis's place (she's coming to Cork too) helping my BIL with my nieces (aka drinking lots of beer together tonight!).

And I'm now 23 weeks, 24 weeks on Tuesday. Looking forward to 24 weeks (legally viable) and am really enjoying pregnancy at the moment. No real problems, and get to enjoy baba moving around and enjoy my expanding bump. I've booked in with the home birth team now, so have my 25 week check at home (joy!) and all other checks at home from then, bar scans etc.

Hope everyone has a great weekend

Oh my, I nearly missed this! Congratulations MrsH

sorry not been on here for ages. X Factor was consuming my life, then realised that DS's routine had completely gone to pot with me swanning off to the studio every weekend.

How are you all?

caitni how far along are you?

bucky what happens at downregging? Glad to hear you had a nice time with gg and pnm.

PnM how is your mum now? Sorry to hear of her heart attack

rfn2&3 congrats on your wedding plans. How exciting, new babies new husband!

lovely to see ei jb and mtw too!

Dsis got loads of gigs booked so is finally earning some money out of this.

I went to the hosp today for some other appt I won't bore you with, but came out with a bfp!! This is after an 8 week cycle and I'm currently on week 9 of what I thought was another long cycle. So have no idea how far along I am. I've started spotting brown but could be same as last time, implantation spotting. In any case have booked gp appt for next Tuesday to see if I can get a scan to see what's going on. No symptoms either so not entirely convinced I am pg. Might have to do my own test tomorrow morning. They could have mixed up my results with someone elses.

hi bucky excited for the stimming? it will all be worth it in the end
yeah it was me who has the blood condition. i asked the consultant about that at our last appointment and he said basically the clomid wouldnt make any difference to the disorder seeing as how i am to take the asprin from the start of any treatment. i have been put on the 75mg asprin for the forseeable future by my rhumatology consultant anyway so it would just be a case of takin the clomid and seeing whether it works for me. i am definitely not going to risk internet self-medication especially after my sister showed me an advert she saw for the regulators for medication control which was particularly vile!! DH has basically said it is a toss up for one cycle or a new laptop (ours is a dinosaur's mum's throwback) i am torn
xx ei xx

Ei don't go to the internet pharmacy . I understand what you are saying but it could go so wrong...I would worry. I thought I remembered that they had found a blood condition that was causing your CPs etc? Or am I remembering someone else? Would it be safe to take Clomid without being prescribed it if you have a medical condition? I have a reason for asking...

JB Where do you live? I got Finn from a breeder who has all kinds of links with the doggy community as she trains police dogs with a man called Ulf. She takes dogs and rehomes them and would know someone who could help I'm sure as they go to national competitions etc.

Caitni Thanks for the tips, I really shouldn't moan. I start stimming tomorrow so I'll have to have TWO injections so double the moaning to come! . Thanks v. much for letting me know about *NoMore I hadn't seen it. I'm sooo pleased for her. She has been here so long I hope she has some luck!

PnM, GG and I had a lovely lunch and afternoon on Monday , I am so glad I have met you all on MN. I have made some really fab friends.

Hope you are all having a great evening.

Love ya, Bucky. x

JB no not patronising at all i appreciate the perspective a course of clomid and consultant appointment is £400 and you get no follow-up appointments or scans with that so for further checks we would have to pay out again that is why the internet clomid seems more attractive as we just cant afford the follow-up money ontop of the first consultation and prescription money all in all we would probably have to cough up around £600 if we were to ask to be scanned aswell!!and that is just for course number 1...if it didnt work...well... that is not possible at all for us unfortunately

That's rubbish ei, sorry I remember you saying that now . How much is a course of offical clomid? Would it be an option to save up as a long term aim, for example, putting christmas money you might have spent on DH (and vice versa) into a clomid fund? It might take a while to save but it would give you an option of clomid or if you get a BFP you can splash out on a fancy pants pram or a holiday . I know it is harder said than done to save when you haven't got much spare cash knocking about - I really hope this post doesn't come across as being patronising . I don't mean it like that AT ALL. I would just love for you to feel clomid might be an option in the future instead of feeling like you have no other option.

hi ladies
JB thanks i know it is too risky really i just have these errant thoughts on AF's monthly rampage my PCT will only fund fertility treatments for childless couples so they basically told us to go away as we are poor ahh well i will have to stick to my diet and hope for an xmas bfp
hi to everyone else
xx ei xx

Hello all,

ei Step away from the internet pharmacy immediately. I know it must be tempting, but it is completely unregulated, you could be injesting ground up chalk and mouse droppings for all you know, plus you won't get any monitoring. It must be horribly frustrating to be on cycle 26 but I really don't think this is the answer. Will your PCT not fund clomid for you?

caitni I was in Bruge recently, it is so beautiful . How do you think your MIL will be once the baby arrives? Mine has been OK but it is a tricky dynamic. I often grit my teeth explaining that "actually bakewell tart contains nuts so DD can't have any", whilst thinking "are you mad, nuts, really?!" .

bucky I saw the thread thanking you for your advice. How lovely you are, the poster sounded so so so happy! How are you feeling now?

I wanted to pick your brain dog wise. I mentioned my parents have two patterdale terriers, well they are fighting and it has got to the stage where they can't be in the same room together. My mum is devestated but thinks they'll have to rehome one. The dog in question is very nervous (no idea why, it just seems she is highly strung) and my mum fears no one will want her. Have you any ideas as to dog organisations that might specialise in rehoming a difficult dog?

MTW Hello! One already! How time flies. Sorry to hear about the cancer scare. That must have been horrible.

PnM How are things with your mum now?

MrsH How are you adjusting to life with a newborn? Any chance of a pic on your profile?!

GG Hope you are OK, I do wonder how you are getting on.

We are all fine after our bug. DD is back at nursery today and I am working hard as you can see... , best get back to work!

hi ladies
caitni of your holiday
MTW cant believe freya is 1 already!! happy birthday to her!!
bucky sorry the injections are painful as others say, pinching the skin up and injecting in there usually hurts less i was taught reduced pain injection techniques in uni before i had to leave so through that i know it does work if done correctly
<<<<ei waves>>>> at everyone else
AF arrived yesterday so CD2 for me cycle 26 i was very dejected yesterday and spent all day sulking with choccie and cake i am feeling a little more upbeat today though so... i was looking for a cheaper alternative for my clomid needs... is it too dangerous to risk buying it from an online pharmacy?? i have found some for £3 a pill on an american site and i am seriously considering it am i slipping into irrationality here?? desperate much?? any thoughts welcome...
xx ei xx

Evening ladies

MTW at Freya turning one - doesn't seem like a year ago! Sorry to hear of cancer scare, but glad they've dealt with it so fast and fingers crossed it's all taken care of now.

Bucky hope scan today was good. I had sniffing for downregging, so you have my sympathy for the injections. The stimming ones were fine for me, but things like pinching it (but I've more to pinch than you though ) and ice cubes wrapped in a tea towel to numb the area worked too. Also, nomoremagnolia is looking for you

MrsH hope little Phoebe is thriving and that you're recovering from the birth well

Waves to everyone else. Just back from a long weekend in Bruges, which was super beautiful but tiring (I got the lurgy right before we went so spent large chunks of my time wishing I could have lemsip and sudafed!). My MIL was with us and she's lovely but a leeeetle bit annoying too. So was glad to get home tonight! But the Eurostar makes the actual getting there and getting home so much less stressful than flying...which is a bonus. Off to soak in the bath and have an early night

Aah Bucky it is painful then sorry but keep going imagine labour this is just practice for the big event

OOh, 07MTW so great to 'see' you and happy happy birthday to Freya , can't believe it is a year indeed! Sorry to hear about your scare and I am keeping everything crossed you getting a clear scan next time.

What is everyone doing with themselves? Can you believe its not even flippin Tuesday yet? How did it not seem this long when Caitni, MOB and GG did it? And I don't understand, I have tattoos, I have had surgery and I have worn a helmet round France that was a size too small, I do not think my pain threshold is low...but IT HURTS , nobody else said it hurt? I can't believe its potentially THREE more weeks of injections to go????. I may die. OK, I probably won't...but I do not like it. Rant over.

Oooh Bucky I should have read a bit more before posting - injections - ouch! Good luck for Tuesday I hope they say yes!

I thought it was about time I checked up on you girls its almost like a 6th sense as when I do I find out MrsH has gone and had her baby! Many many congratulations to you and your family. Your birth story was great those speed bumps are such a pain in more ways than one when in labour

PnM Sorry to read about your Mum it's so scary to hear of a fit woman suffering such a horrible trauma I hope she is recovering well and you are taking good care of yourself too.

Bucky I'm not sure what the term "downregging" is but it appears more boring than painful? Whatever it is I hope it is a success for your IVF

Hello to everyone else I haven't mentioned by name I've been off line for a while and much to catch up on.

Me and my family are fine, we celebrated Freya's first birthday on 8th Oct can you believe! And DD1 started school Sept

I had a cervical cancer scare in Sept and had to have a biopsy on Freya's birthday! The results showed pre-cancerous cells so I had to have a proceedure to have them removed (I didn't think I'd be in hospital with my legs akimbo (sp?!) again!) I'm waiting for the results of all clear and hopfully I will just need a routine smear in 6 months. It has been a tough time but fingers crossed we can forget about it now.

It's so lovely to "see" you all, I'm going to go back and read some more to catch up with your lives!

Congratulations MrandMrsH!!!!! Hurrah for little Phoebe. That is fantastic. Hope you are feeling well after all the drama. Well done you.

PnM So sorry to hear about your mum. That must have been a terrible shock for all of you. Glad the operation went well.

We've had the D and vomiting thing that is going round. Urgh! I'm feeling better but have mountains of washing to do. Not a fun way to recover.

The reason it still hurts is because you are too skinny - I'm sure with my fat pockets (sadly, more of an entire overcoat rather than just pockets at the moment) I wouldn't feel a thing.....

Hi all and welcome to the world Miss Phoebe Happy!! So good to hear from you MrsH and to hear that all went well in the end, read your birth story and although you didn't get to have your VBAC, it sounds like you did an amazing job. Congratulations!

Only a quick post as work is very busy at the mo but thank you all for your kind wishes for my mum. She's had an angiogram and a stent put in and feels an awful lot more comfortable now. Hopefully this will be the wake up call she needs to slow down a bit.

Ei hope your mum is ok?

How boring is downregging??? Yawn. Scan is next Tuesday, if I don't die of boredom first. And is still bloody hurts...

YAY!! Welcome to the world little Phoebe - beautiful name!! Many congratulations to MrsH, MrH & bigsisH
Quite a birth story - but glad you are all safe and well and enjoying each other.

PnM Thinking of you - how's your mum?

Love to everyone else. XX

Once again MrsH Congratulation. Phoebe is a lovely name . Well written birth story, very dramatic...I felt like I almost lived it with you (without the pain of course ).

Welcome to the world Phoebe! Massive congrats to you MrsH (and to your husband with his excellent driving skills ). Enjoy the precious first days and hope you recover well from the CS
xxxx

MrsHappy CONGRATULATIONS
Such a lovely name x Hope you dh and dd enjoy getting to know her x
Hope you are recovering well and getting plenty of rest (as much as you can with a newborn lol)

PnM So sorry to hear about your mum, hope she is on the mend x

Hi to everyone else hope you are doing well

Hello Ladies

Just back from the hospital this afternoon after producing the fabulously gorgeous Phoebe. Didn't get my VBAC, but tried very hard and am pretty happy with how things went. Birth story is here for anyone interested. DH, DD and I are all enjoying getting to know the courgette.

Picknmix I really hope your mum is ok. And am sending you higs.

Waves to the rest, will post more soon, but need to rest and to eat!

hi ladies
PnM sorry to hear about your mum i hope she gets better soon it must be the week for mums dramas!! my mum fell over earlier tonight and has broken her hand!! shes ok but not very amused as you can imagine
bucky how exciting that you have started down regging!! soon it will all be a distant memory and you will have that fabulous coveted BFP
mrsH oooooo any time now little baby happy will be here and we will once again be cycber aunties
hi to everyone else
nowt to report here yet watch this space
xx ei xx

PnM how awful about your mum - sending big cyber hugs to you, as Bucky says you've been having such a hard time lately. I really hope your mum gets better soon.

Bucky glad that downregging is going well. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that all goes swimmingly with your IVF

MrsH I really hope that baby doesn't keep you waiting much longer - can't wait to hear how it goes.

RFN2&3 glad to hear the wedding plans are going well!

Levi hope you had fun in Ireland

JB bet jollycub crawling means you need eyes at the back of your head!

Big waves to everyone else. Not much going on with me, quite tired after a very hectic weekend.

OMG PnM so sorry to hear the news. You are having such a bad run of luck its unbelievable. Why don't you take some time off work and take some 'you' time. I'll come meet you if you like and we can eat chips on the beach. Not that that will fix anything but maybe it might help you smile for a while. [higs]

Just popping in to see if there's any news from MrsH.... Can't wait to be a cyber auntie again!! Hope all is going ok x

Am exhausted today, my mum was rushed into hosp last night having suffered a heartattack. She's only 61 & very fit. Total shock, the scans show she must've had another one in the week but, in true mum fashion she said 'oh, i don't want to cause a fuss'. Scary stuff so positive thoughts for her please.

MrsHappy Hope things get going for you soon and that you get to hold little courgette soon, I think the last week of pregnancy is the hardest (especially with a toddler) Glad the hospital are not pushing for a section and that the birth suite is nice

Caitni I am sure everything will be fine, most things tend to sort themselves out x and having an extra scan is always good for an extra look at bubs before they arrive!

PnM So sorry you are feeling like that but its only natural after what you have been through. Can understand your reluctance to start IUI but its great that they hospital understand and are not going to put you under any pressure x

Bucky great news that jabs are not too bad and that things are finally moving forward for you x

Levi Hope you have a nice time in Ireland x

MOB EI JB and anyone else I have missed hope you are all ok and doing well x

Well the twins are doing great and only wake once in the night so we are getting plenty of sleep (though I know they are likely to stop now I have said that lol)
We are getting lots of smiles too which is lovely

The wedding plans are coming along nicely and we have nearly arranged everything, just gotta sort the cake and photographer really

Hi there - great to hear how things are with you all (or most of you).

So glad it's going OK so far, Bucky (not least because I'll probably be doing the same in March or thereabouts - have to get a few tests at the start of my next cycle and then onto the 18 week IVF waiting list). I'm sure it's super-freaky to start with but sounds like you're an old hand already, which is pretty impressive.

Good luck, MrsH! Must be very exciting at this point (if a little frustating too). Great that the hospital looks good and you're feeling so positive about the whole thing.

Thinking positive thoughts, Caitni - sounds very stressful, but from my (admittedly second-hand and anecdotal) experience more often than not these potential issues seem to clear up (or prove to have been nothing much in the first place). Hoping for good news soon and a calm rest of the pregnancy.

So sorry to hear you've been down, PnM - sounds like an absolutely natural reaction to what's happened, which must take a while to get over - but that doesn't make it any easier, no doubt. We're all sending lots of warm thoughts over the ether. [ doesn't know how internet works but is sure it isn't ether... ]

Hi to everyone else! Have to get some work finished before going to Ireland for a christening tonight, so really shouldn't be on here (but it's so nice...).

Afternoon all,

Big apologies for being absent....

Happy Real EDD MrsH, hope courgette doesn't keep you waiting as long as DD1 did. And FAB news that the hospital didn't start bombarding you with talk of c-sections etc. Am very excited for you!

Glad to hear the down regging isn't quite as bad as you thought it might be Bucky. I know that you were really quite scared about it so its great to hear that you're coping ok - and go you for injecting without DP's help!

I have no experience of scan results Caitni but will keep everything crossed that all is ok by the next scan.

Congrats R4N2+3, thats lovely news!!

How are you doing Levi? Hope all is ok?

Hows this cycle shaping up for you Ei? Am hoping its text book 28days for you!

Hope the twins are doing ok MOB?

In the last week or so I have mostly been having melt down after melt down.

Whether work or ttc related, I seem to cry everyday....(not like me at all) I'm sure it will pass, its just a stressful time at the moment.

We went to IUI meeting - felt it was best to, just to get more of an idea what it all entailed. Was interesting, just probably a bit soon after everything... It felt like the other couples there were really excited about starting treatment, whereas DH and I just felt completely disheartened by it all.

Anyway, we are to call the clinic when we feel ready to start the treatment. Nurse was lovely and said due to the mc, we could leave it as long as we wanted so we're thinking of starting it in the new year. If at all.

Dog news: nothing. Applied for one rescue but she'd already been adopted by the time we got in contact. They asked us to consider aanother but she's a lurcher and we have a house rabbit - lurchers and rabbits don't usually mix

Enough of my waffle.

xx

Hello all

No news from here just yet. Yesterday was my official EDD, but I am certain that today is the real date. Either way DD was 11 days late so I am not holding my breath! Have been for a check up this morning which was fab. Even though I am officially overdue there was no talk of booking a section or anything, which has helped me feel more relaxed. And I have been to look around the new birth centre at the hospital which looks so fabulous. I am almost looking forward to getting into that birthpool and hoiking out this baby!

Bucky how exciting that you are downregging. I was thinking when I read your post that doing those injections must be one area where we chubby girls have the advantage over you skinny types! I would have a wiiiiide (correct word for sure, especially these days) choice of places in which to inject!!!

Caitni don't worry too much about the scan results. When I had the strange result about this baby's pointy head I spoke to a lady in obstetrics at the hospital who was very helpful. If you want I can try to find her number for you? I may have binned it but it might still be floating about if you want to speak to someone medical again? I'm sure it will be ok though - isn't that renal dilation thing quite common?

Jollybear I can't believe that the cub is crawling already. Where has the time gone? How old is she now?

Higs to everyone else - Ei (your current name still makes me smile), Picknmix, GG (if you are lurking), MOB (saw your thread on breastfeeding - did you get is sorted?), Levi and anyone I have missed. If I have missed anyone please forgive me - I have fudge brain!

I'm here, stabbing away....I was super freaked out about it before I started, kept waking up in a sweat during the night with the pure terror of it.(I'm pathetic). But once we got started it was fine. It stings a bit when the Buserelin goes in but is ok apart from that. That said, I had to do it myself this morning as DP left at 4am and I stabbed it into some fat and it didn't sting, so maybe its just because the bit we have been stabbing has been too boney.

JB so cute that jollycub is crawling. Great to hear all is well.

MrsH Hope all goes well. So exciting.

Caitni You sound so calm, which is good. Keeping my fingers and legs crossed that alll is fine for the next scan.

I am downregging. 3rd Nov is my scan to see if I am suppressed and then if yes, I start the Gonal F. It seems such a long process...yawn..

Hello everyone,

Try not to worry caitni I know a few people with 'problems' identified on scans that sorted themselves out before the birth. Were you temped to ask the sex?! I really didn't want to know but DH was itching to find out when we had scans!

mrsH I was wondering if there might be news from you. How are you feeling? Fit to burst?!

ei Hope it is another clockwork cycle for you. How is everything else with you?

Bucky How has the start of treatment been? Do pop in if you can and let us know how you are.

PnM How is the puppy search going? I hope you are OK. It must be so hard with the m/c and your sister. Hope she is being sensitive when talking about her pregnancy. Have you spoken to the clinc since about the treatment?

R4 Congrats! A Winter wedding, how lovely . Glad to hear the DTs are doing well.

How is MOB doing? Busy I expect!!

Did I tell you all the DD can crawl? I can't remember. She is getting faster and faster and nothing is safe. Cats flee, bins get tipped over, fluff off the carpets is eaten, washing baskets are emptied, all in the blink of an eye!

Morning ladies

Hope all is well. I'm taking it that because it's quiet everyone's off having a good time

MrsHappy I actually stalked your antenatal thread yesterday, so curious am I for news of courgette's arrival (and how you're feeling in general of course!). So I hope that if you're still waiting (tomorrow's your EDD I think?) then it's not too excruciating! Thinking of you at this v v exciting time

Ei so you must be into the tww now? Hope you get lucky this month, with your new text book 28 day cycles!

Bucky have you started the IVF? Am also very excited for you, but appreciate if you want to avoid MN for a while - I was both repelled and attacted to t'interweb during IVF - mainly because of my addiction to google .

Big waves to everyone else. Not much going on with me - had my scan yesterday and all looks well with the baby, bar a slight problem with the kidneys (bilateral renal dilatation is what my notes say) - I posted a thread about it in Pregnancy, but am trying not to worry (sonographer was very reassuring). Does mean I get another scan at 34 weeks (and am SO hoping it resolves itself by then!).

hi ladies
sorry for the absence our laptop is super-crappola!! we need a new one pronto
hope all is well
RFN2+3 congrats on your engagement
i LOVE the puppy pics
nowt to report here CD16 i think...
xx ei xx

RFN2&3 congrats on the engagement! How wonderful - you'll have a busy couple of months arranging all that! But the twins (and your DS1) will be a lovely age to enjoy it and I hope you have a fantastic time.

Levi things seem to be going quickly for me too . The first 12 weeks crawled by (not helped by all the time spent leading up to IVF and then the actual treatment) but now things are going by in a bit of a blur! In fairness, this always happens to me at this time of year (Christmas always flies around once summer's over!).

MrsH any news from you? Hope your baby makes an appearance soon xxx

Big waves to everyone else. Hope you all have a fabulous weekend (yay! it's friday!).
xxx

Such a lovely happy post, readyforn2and3 - great news re. the wedding - congrats! That's so funny about the babies. I have to say, gender does seem to express itself early by all accounts)

Hope Tuesday comes quickly for you, Caitni - very exciting. It's amazing to those of us looking on how quickly the whole thing seems to go. Bet it feels slow for you though. Hope you're feeling well at this stage. Keep us posted!

Very best to everyone else. (Not long now, Bucky!)

PnM So so sorry definately think you should go to the appointment and then at least you can make an informed decision, hope you get a nice pup soon x

MrsHappy Not long now (bet it doesnt feel like it though) Hope your DD is enjoying catching up with cbeebies though lol

Caitni Cant believe you are 20 weeks already bet you cant wait to see that little bean next tuesday

Bucky Glad you are feeling better

Levi sorry af got you but hopefully with a bit more bedroom action you will have a happy DH and a nice BFP

JB Glad going back to work hasnt been too bad x

waves to everyone else x

Well the twins are 10 weeks old today and doing great they have totally different personalities though! Sophie likes cuddles and lots of attention and Adam just likes to sleep and eat (typical man lol)

I have had a coil fitted today so that we dont have any more unexpected suprises lol and DP and I have decided to take the plunge and are getting married on 14th December which will be 5 years to the day of our first date
Really got to get and shift this baby weight now

Puppies! I want one! Am very taken by terriers in general but would love something like a Weimarner or an Irish setter Unfortunately I love dogs too much to subject one to our tiny London flat. But my DH (a cat person) knows that we will have to get at least two dogs as soon as we have the space for them. PnM I was a bit at your mum's comment - I'm sure she means well, as having a dog is A Good Thing, but it must have stung too. I'd be tempted to go for the puppy option, as they're a lot of work but it's rewarding and they're super cute.

JollyBear er, how generous of your DH about the name Rufus . I really like it, but am learning that names I love aren't reciprocated by my DH . But I'm sure whatever name I we choose we'll be happy with .

MrsH hope things are good with you. How many more days until your official due date? I'm off to an aqua natal class at the park road pool in Crouch End tonight - I went to pregnancy yoga on Mon night and was enthralled by the 3 women in the class who were 38 weeks (one was 38 and a half). Though when I get to that stage I reckon the only thing I'll be able to think about is getting that baby outta me!

Bucky glad you've cheered up. I'm loving the autumn weather - makes me want a dog even more (I think it was JollyBear who mentioned walking through autumnal woods with a dog at your side - my idea of bliss!). Hope your pups are good. I'm ignoring my piles of work until later in the morning as cannot be bothered (but really really need to find motivation from somewhere ).

Levi no such thing as TMI on this thread! I've revealed more than is probably advisable about my EWCM (and CM in general ) over the months. Me and my DH were definitely not shagging enough in the early months and also at the wrong time, as I really had no idea when I was fertile. Then I reckon we went overboard (when we didn't know about his low sperm count). Every doctor we spoke to recommended every 2-3 days throughout your cycle which does seem to work for people...Definitely worth stepping up the bedroom antics before embarking on IVF!

Not much new with me. I was 20 weeks yesterday so offically half way. Waiting (impatiently) for my scan next Tuesday as want to see how bubba's developing. Otherwise, trying to eat healthily (and failing ) and exercise. So exciting times, not!

OOooh cute dogs. My parents have two patterdale terriers bucky! I think they're a bit small tnhough, my dream dog is a springer spaniel or a lab. I wanted to call DD Rufus if she'd have been a DS but DH overruled it but said I can use it when we get a dog .

Oh PnM what a thing for your mum to say!

I must go I'm working, can you tell?

<big waves>

Hi all,

Sorry to interrupt the dog thread (except to say CUTE!!! - and that I'm participating enthusiastically by proxy in all the dog owning and possible acquiring!). My cousin has an Airedale Terrier called Piper (though sadly they live in New York so I've not met him). Definitely what I'd get if I were in a position to...

Glad you're feeling better, PnM - and how exciting about China! Wow. That will be something else. Hope you get to do a bit of sight-seeing too.

Really glad you're feeling better Bucky. And thinking good thoughts for something to happen soon, MrsH.

I'm much cheerier, and have been thinking (you all will want to know this!) after reading other threads and some fertility stuff that maybe DH and I just don't have enough sex (doh!) - so before I start whingeing about his drinking etc. maybe that is something we should address to see if it helps! Just hope he'll co-operate... Might be time for some new nightwear (currently the passion-killing combination of an enormous t-shirt and his pyjama bottoms probably not doing the trick!).

Waves to Caitni, JB, Eis and anyone else still with us. xx

I saw Joe and can vouch for his cuteness.
Fortunately Elton the baby beagle is still on there...

The second one I posted...'Joe' has gone! already . He rocked. Now when you click the 'OMG' link you just get Gumtree.... Sorry PnM

And yes MrsH he is very handsome. Ooh PnM its so exciting. I lurve my pupkids .

Aw, hours of fun.... I have just discovered Patterdale Terriers...Here. I would def get Joe if I didn't already have two! Just showed him to DP and he said that I wasn't allowed . Just as well!

I've always rather fancied one of these.
They have such sweet funny faces.

OMG...so sweet, I want him... ]

ooh, PnM let me help . I lurve finding pupdogs!!...one sec...

Well you were no help whatsoever Bucky

Today I have mostly been hunting down the perfect doggy to join our family. Can't have a child? Why not buy a dog - that is my cure all! In fact, randomly, when I told my mum about the mc, her first comment was "oh darling, thats so sad, you should definitely get a dog now".

I will probably procrastinate for months about this though.... Found a beautiful 2yr old x lab with a bad heart murmur. Then I thought long and hard and realised I didn't want to bring anymore sadness into this house. But now I feel bad for 'Athena' (interesting name )

Total waffle.

Best get on with the work I failed to do today....

Well I can't help PnM, here I am under piles of work, peeking out to take a look at MN!! Very diligent....NOT. .

I have officially cheered up. Not sure what was up with me last week, maybe the moon was in a weird place?

MrsH Sorry you are walking funny . Hope the weeks fly past till your bundle of joy arrives!

Big shout out to everyone else...xx

Gahhhhhh, somebody give me a kick up the arse.

I've done precisely NO work today and can't seem to motivate myself at all.....

MrsH someone's asking after you here

Morning ladies

PnM I think you're right about the IUI - you can go and find out but you don't have to make any decisions about anything just yet. That's exciting about China, but I'd also be quite nervous. I've never been there but everyone I know who has been (including a sister and one of my best friends) have really enjoyed it.

MrsH I posted on that thread, but I felt a bit bad as my understanding is that low sperm count is pretty untreatable so assisted conception is by far the best choice. Am sure she's hoping for more of the "we were told this but magically conceived anyway" type posts! I really hope courgette is getting ready to make an appearance. I know you went over with your DD, but I've heard that's common in first pregnancies but not as common in second pregnancies (certainly true in my own limited experiece of friends and family). Am sure by this stage you're getting sick of people giving you tips on how to bring on labour! I'll be checking the thread regularly for news from you

Big waves to everyone else

Evening all,

Am hoping for an early arrival MrsH of little courgette to put you out of your pain - feel for you! Pleased to hear that your bp dropped back down again though, you just try and keep it that way!

Loving the bargain buying Caitni, glad to find another person with a storage obsessed husband! If its got doors or drawers my husband wants it - he loves to 'hidey' things (x between hide and tidy). Which film did you go to see? I went to see Fame last night - it was rubbish!!

Hi Levi, really sorry to hear about arrival of period. You're entitled to be as maudlin as you like for as long as you like! And nice work on climbing Snowdon! Very impressed - climbed it bout 100yrs ago when I was a teenager, not sure I could manage it now tho....

Did I see right on fb Ei? That you have a new job? If yes, thats fantastic - well done you! Have you started it yet? And yes, Clomid would def be a turn around but it sounds like you're feeling more positive? Taking Clomid wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be. Just the odd mood swings and hot flushes.

Pleased to hear Jollycub welcomed you home so nicely JB thats very cute!

How are you doing Bucky? Treatment starts soon, how you feeling bout it all?

I'm feeling a lot more philosophical about everything at the moment. Think it was just that it took 3yrs to get a positive test so there was an awful lot of hope invested in that wee stick.

We've decided we will go to the meeting about IUI on thurs, just to understand what its all about. Not sure whether we'd ever go through with treatment though. Thats a decision too far for us at the moment.

Have also found out I'm off to China in a couple of weeks for work. Which makes the decision whether or not to have a month off ttc redundant as will prob be away for most of November anyway. Am a little scared of going though - anybody been before??

Hi to all not mentioned personally, am on phone and battery about to give up. Hope you're all ok xx

Caitni just a quickie to say could you have a quick look at this thread? I think I remember you doing lots of research into all of this gubbins a while ago and you might be able to help the OP.

Hope everyone is well. My pelvis is killing me so I would love courgette to get a wriggle on, bu it could be nearly 4 more weeks. Arg!!

Levi so sorry your period showed up . It's so gutting. And don't worry about complaining - I used to be so upset when my showed up (though I spot before my period so always had my meltdown a few days in advance of proper flow...and of course spent months trying not to obsessively google implantation bleeding think it was implantation bleeding). But good to hear the weekend is shaping up - well done on Snowdon! I stayed near it camping at easter but we never actually made it up

MrsH OK, I was actually laughing out loud at the thought of your DD leaving home because of a grumpy mummy . I bet she's loving having you around (and watching ceebeebees!). That must have been worrying about your BP but I'm glad it's behaving itself and is back down to a safe level. I really hope your baby girl shows up soon [fingers crossed emoticon]

Ei clomid would be an exciting option - keep us posted about whether you pursue it. Though hopefully your cycle will stay regular and you'll get a sticky bean soon xxx

PnM thinking of you and your DH and hope you're doing OK xxx

Bucky hope you're feeling a bit better (retail therapy is always A Good Thing) and that you're having a good weekend. Not long now til you start the IVF. Do you start downregging next weekend or is it the injections (can't remember ). I really didn't like the downregging (I had this sniffy drug that tasted rank)...

JB I was also giggling at your DH and I'm glad your DD was all smiles when she saw you again (must be so lovely ). You've remembered right, we're not finding out, so lots of shades of cream/yellow. I'm currently obsessing about cots...I think I'd like a bedside cot as that's about as close to co-sleeping as I could manage I think (I just don't think I could sleep at all with a newborn with me!).

Waves to Readyforno2 and MOB and GG (if you ever lurk xx). Went to an NCT nearly new sale this morning and picked up some bargains (gro bags for a couple of quid, a little bath seat thingy for two quid, a toy storage unit thing my DH fell for - he's obsessed with storage ).

Anyway, off to the cinema (exciting!) as after watching other people booze last Sat I really can't face the pub!

You're entitled to complain, Levi. The day your period shows up is always the worst I reckon, all those hormones , cramps etc on top of the disappointment. Glad the weekend is going ok - and yes, you can cheer yourself up by drinking lots. I would love a glass of nice champagne right now but it plays havoc with my heartburn! So maybe you could have one for me?

Thanks, MrsH. Sorry about whinging - I know it's not that bad, it's just I was full of hope, for no good reason, this month. Hope you're having a tolerable weekend and aren't too fed up with this stage - it will all change pretty soon!

Hope you're ok, PnM and managing to forget about it all this weekend (if that's what you want to be doing).

Waves to JB, Caitni, Eis and everyone else!

Just climbed Snowdon, which was fun even though 90% of the walk was in cloud and drizzle. And going out to a nice pub near my parents' place with them, DH and friends tonight (and can drink - sounds trivial, but a small silver lining to not being PG!) so it's turning into a good weekend. Shall stop being maudlin immediately. Hope everyone else is having a bit of R&R this weekend.

Levi I'm sorry your period has shown up. I hope you have a good time with your parents.

Ei clomid would be a change of direction for you! I really hope it turns out to be a wonder drug for you if you do decide to go down that route.

Jollybear That's lovely that the cub gave you a nice reception when you got back . I just used to melt when DD behaved like that (of course now that she is 3 going on 12 she is far too cool to act like she cares about her old mum)!

I hope you're managing to shake off the glums, Bucky. Surely a visit to Paperchase is the cure for all ills?

PnM how are you bearing up, poppet? Any more thoughts on IUI?

Caitni how's the bump? Are you feeling well and still liking the Whit?

I am a bit fed up now and rather horrified at the idea that I could have as much as 4 more weeks of this! Yesterday my BP appeared to have shot up (arg- shades of DD's birth) but the midwife came around today and confirmed it is back to a very respectable 115/68, so I will live! Now I just need to get this baby out before I become so utterly bad-tempered with DD that she leaves home...

Nothing like what PnM is going through but did get AF today of course and feeling very blue. Have to socialize and see my ever-expectant-of-news-of-grandchildren parents this weekend too. Anyway will come back in a more positive mood soon -just a little cathartic MN howl... (Thanks *wipes eyes and blows nose*)

hi ladies
PnM im so sorry this has happened i hope you are doing ok and i am around if you need a chat/shoulder to cry on xx message me on FB if you need to chat and i can send you my number if you want xxx {{{{{{{higs}}}}}}
bucky sorry to hear you are feeling down any particular reason or is it the pre-ivf sullens?? feel entirely free to vent etc as there are a fair few who have the knowledge here as you know xx(not me yet obv but im here to listen and support as always xx) hope you are feeling better soon
levi its a well thought-of 'fact' that many women get their BFP as soon as IVF is seriously considered so dont rule anything out good luck and i hope AF stays away
hi to everyone else
nowt new here except we are seriously considering the clomid option... its such a jump from last month when we were taking a break but who the F cares haha we will see though and il keep you posted on what we decide
xx ei xx

Hello everyone,

PnM I'm so sorry . It is good to know that you had a supportive nurse with you, I imagine that made things more bearable. It is a awful thing for any couple to go through but it sounds like your DH is letting his emotions out which can only be a good thing. Have you taken some time off work? MrsH's suggestion of having some counselling at the clinc is a good idea, it would help you decide whether to go ahead with the IUI right away or not.

Please do come here and vent your feelings. It is hard to discuss miscarriage in real life, people don't know what to say. On here, we might not know what to say either but we can provide a listening ear and try our best to offer support.

Bucky Sorry to hear you are feeling down. I did like your posts on your shopping trip. I always want a dog at this time of year, I love tramping through copper coloured woods with a hound by my side. I have to borrow my mums at the moment and it isn't the same!

MrsH I bet your DD LOVED watching Cbeebies, to her you are the best mother going for letting her watch TV! You'll be out pushing a pram before too long.

Caitni The buying stuff stage is fun! I spent many hours pouring over what to get. Are you going for shades of cream? You aren't finding out the sex are you?! I might have misremembered!

Levi I love a bit of symptom spotting . Things obviously feel a bit different from normal so you never know. What is the course you are starting? I agree with what the others said about postponing the app so you don't miss the start of the course. You just have to do what feels right.

DD was very good when I was away - DH on the other hand took the wrong bag to his mums, forgot to take her naptime dummy to nursery etc, it was all written down too!!! DD was so happy to see me when I got back though, it was lovely. Right, back to work...

Oh I'm sorry, PnM - can't imagine what you're going through. Although I've been quite down at times about no conception of any kind ever happening for us it doesn't compare at all to this kind of situation, which is so much harder. (as others have said). I have no idea and less experience than pretty much anyone else on this thread, so don't know whether getting on with the next step is good or bad but at least there are options and if you want the help it's there for you (although I'm sure you've probably waited long enough for it...).

I've been so busy, and commuting, the last few days so haven't even managed to get through to the surgery to make another appointment. Must make sure I do tomorrow, though it's really hard to get hold of the right person. I'm also stupidly holding out hope that I might be PG, for no good reason at all except for the odd twinge in the breasts (you did say I had free rein with the symptom spotting...) and in uterus (well, that general area - I'm so clueless it's probably just IBS!) and thinking they (breasts) might be bigger (which DH disputes - and he'd probably know... - so probably just me/wishful thinking). Certainly nothing that really suggests being up the duff. Anyway, AF due in two days so I'll soon stop this madness. Am luckily distracted most of the time by course starting and lots of work.

Sorry you're also feeling crappy, Bucky - it's a horrible time of year, on top of everything else. Must also be a weird limbo time before things get started. Hang in there.

Positive vibes to everyone, and some hot chocolate/ hearty stew/ mulled wine/ whatever-makes-the drawing-in-of-nights-even-slightly-appealing-for-you-in-particular xx

. I'm not help to you at all PnM as I am more depressing than a depressed thing at the moment, but just know we all understand exactly how you are feeling. I've budged back over so you can come back on the bench (although I know that's the last place you want to be).

I'll message you on FB.

Higs. xx

Oh PnM I'm so so sorry . I'm glad (glad is the wrong word ) that the lovely nurse was with you, a small compensation. I also sobbed through bits of Marley & Me - miscarriage just doesn't get shown/talked about. Hope it was cathartic. Massive (((higs))) to you.

About the IUI, I'd be tempted to go for it. It's obviously up to you, but if I were in your shoes I think I'd just want to go for it. I remember the CP I had last sept (obviously a lot earlier than your miscarriage) and all I wanted was some progress...and come and write/rant on here whenever you want. It's so hard to get RL support and we're here to listen and offer cyber support xxxx

Oh PnM I am sorry that it has not been good news again. But then at least the miscarriage is complete, so you can move on and try again if that is what you want to do. And your poor DH, too. My husband never seemed all that bothered when I had all that trouble last year, but then I guess in the circs he was probably just glad I was ok. Sometimes I think maybe they just don't show it or are able to forget most of the time...

I don't know if your fertility clinic offers counselling, but if they do it might be worth looking into? I just think sometimes it is good to have as many outlets as you can - and they might have some practical tips to help you both deal with this awful shitty run of luck you've been having.

Hugs to both of you.

Morning,

Symptom spotting is what we [used] to do best Levi so carry on - we'll speculate with you! Hope they surgery gave you a more suitable appt time?

Am liking the sound of the hoodie Bucky - I appear to be living in them at the moment, not enjoying the winteriness (is that a word!?).

I'm sure DD is enjoying herself MrsH, that's what cbeebies is for isn't it? To give parents a break!

I was quite surprised as the fertility nurse came along to my scan - she must do both EPAU and fertility. She was the same nurse who dealt with me during my last miscarriage and is genuinely lovely so was a relief to see her.

The dildocam showed that the miscarriage was complete - which is good as no repeat appts needed. They put me at 6 weeks, same as last time.

Spent yesterday feeling sorry for ourselves and then made the mistake of watching 'Marley and Me'.... Haven't ever seen my husband cry so much, think it just triggered something in him. I feel so sad and useless that I can't give my husband the one thing he desperately wants in life.

The one good thing to come of this is that the fertility nurse checked up where I am on the IUI list and it seems I'm at the top. So we've been invited to a meeting next thurs to discuss options. Although she did say she would understand if we weren't ready for it, that she could have a one on one meeting in a few weeks if we wanted.

Sorry to waffle on here, I just don't get a huge amount of support in RL from friends - they're great but don't really understand. This is cathartic writing it all down....

How are you going, Picknmix*?

*Levi symptom-spotting is what this thread was for before we all became cynical and realised there was usually no point! Anyway, I enjoy a good discussion of symptoms (the grosser the better) as much as anyone so feel free to (over)share!

Poor DD has spent today largely on the sofa. It was raining and I am tired. At one point I sat her in front of cbeebies and had a snooze. I am a terrible mother... I just wish this baby would come out now so that I could get back to normal energy levels soon. Let's hope I don't engage in any further vegetable-related domestic violence this evening...

Hope the rest of you are well.

Hope you're doing OK, PnM - what a horrible amount of stress.

Hope you're less tired, Bucky and MrsH. Good to hear about the retail therapy - I'm totally skint as am on unpaid leave to do my course, so am participating by proxy in your experiences! And I must say I approve of your choices, Bucky...

Thanks for the support re. the decision, Caitni - I think it was the right one in that there was an awful lot that went on yesterday and, though the individual lecturers were good, I don't think I can rely on the institution to keep me filled in on things as it seemed a tad disorganized! Hope you're enjoying the furniture now it's built (such a nice feeling at that end of the process). I resurrected my falling-to-bits Billy bookcase (poorly constructed, obviously!) at the weekend and it looks fine with books in it!

Had been indulging in a bit of symptom spotting - imagined my breasts had grown, in particular (I'm sure you all wanted to know that) - but feel completely normal now, approaching AF in a few days, so think that's it for another month. Never mind, am ringing the surgery today for another pre-IVF appointment so hope springs eternal.

Anyway, it's really work time! Thinking of you all, especially PnM x

Hope the scan is not too bad today, Picknmix. I can't say I remember dildocam with much fondness...

Bucky why so floppy?

Caitni hurrah for the furniture and a good weekend. I am knackered and spending stupid amounts of time on the sofa (DD getting bored I think). And am foul tempered, last night having tried to brain my DH with a potato...

, so it turns out do Paperchase, Fat Face and Accessorise.... Should have stayed at my desk! I do however have a nice new umbrella and a hoodie which is all warm and cosy ready for winter. And just in case the two million notebooks and pens I already have aren't enough, I thought I would buy another .LOL.

Well if your going to be all floppy and pathetic like I am today, you may as well be floppy and pathetic with nice stuff...Aldo here I come.

Whatever you do Bucky, stay away from Aldo and Gap - they drag you in and steal your money....

[higs] PnM You do make me smile.

I've got that Monday feeling today.... Might pop out and browse the shops.

Hiya,

Get you Caitni, actually managing to put together some Ikea furniture! That would have sat in a box in our house for months, until eiher myself or DH stubbed a toe on it once to often and set to with the [included] screwdriver only to make a complete hash job of it in our anger. We have many lopsided billy bookshelves but they do the job!

Glad you had a good weekened thoguh and can now start to buy baby bits! Very exciting!

First day of mat leave MrsH? Hope you're finding some time to put your feet up to keep that bp down.

Just had a call back from the Dr, am now booked in for a scan tomorrow. Am under absolutely no illusions that this will have a happy ending - it truely is the end but my stupid body is not good at getting rid of the hormones. Not sure what the scan will achieve to be honest...

So its prob the dildocam for me tomorrow, yippee, just what you need when bleeding from your fanjo.

It does however, give me the perfect excuse to miss a huge meeting at work where I was set to get a right royal bollocking. Every cloud/silver lining and all that....

Morning ladies

PnM what a confusing weekend for you ((hugs)). Though I think (tentatively) it's a good sign that you're getting positives with extremely weak wee. MrsH is right, you need some serial blood tests and a scan to make sure things are developing as they should. I hope your doctor's can just do the EPU referral by phone for you today. PS very glad to hear of the retail therapy - you both need and deserve it xxx

MrsHappy so glad to hear you're off work so can now focus on yourself and your family and getting ready for the shift from 3 to 4 [excited emoticon]. You look super gorgeous in the pix on FB btw - you may feel massive but you look like a pregnancy goddess . Total normal to be scared about the birth and I really hope you get your VBAC.

Ei I'm that your period arrived but that it's such a textbook cycle. I think your weight loss must be helping .

Levi I think postponing sounds like a good plan - a few more weeks/months won't make a massive amount of difference re IVF and getting off to a good start on the course counts for a lot. I also think it's important to not put everything on hold, so to speak, for IVF. It's enough to be going on with without feeling like "real life" has disappeared.

Bucky I'm glad that your start date is so soon . If you have any Qs or random thoughts on the IVF then remember you've plenty of listeners on here who know what you're going throughj (as much as anyone else can anyway).

Ready [cainit tips her hat to you and your ability to organise and travel so many people ] Hope you had fun and the party was great.

JB glad to hear that your DD likes nursery but I hope going back to work hasn't been too much of a wrench!

Waves to anyone I've not mentioned by name. I'm pretty knackered after a very fun weekend, was great to see my family (though watching them all guzzle mojitos at the party did make me miss booze for the first time!). Managed to assemble the Ikea furniture too - we've managed to really increase our storage so I'm very about it as it means we can now start buying bits and bobs for the baby...

How confusing, Pickmix.
I reckon you need a scan and some serial blood tests to check whether pg is growing and that it is in the right place.
Let us know how you get on when you speak to the GP.

Ah, thanks for all the support people, it means a lot to know you're there.

Just to continue the saga, took a test last night - after a huge cup of tea and weeing just 30 mins previous (i.e. v weak wee) in the hope it would show neg and whole thing could be ignored. No such luck, still positive. So took another one this morning, def still positive.

Have rung the drs and am waiting for them to ring back as they had no face to face appts today.

How was everyone elses weekend?? Hope the party went well Caitni? And seriously, a trip to Ikea at the weekend?? Are you crazy? I partook in a major bit of retail therapy - new coveted boots bought under the guise of 'I'm allowed to cos I'm sad'!

Hope you all are ok - can't believe that winter appears to be here already, I'm really not a fan of getting up in the dark!

So sorry to hear this. You are definitely not a whinger. Take care. XX

Very sorry, PnM - thinking of you. The last thing you are is a whinger. We're all with you. xxx

Oh sweetheart, I am so sorry . Hugs to you, and don't stay too long at the reception if you can't stand it.

Evening all,

Bleeding horribly now so def all over, will still do the test on Monday just to make sure but this has all really messed with my head. Keep crying, shouting, poor dh doesn't know what to do with me. Am at a wedding reception wishing I was somewhere else.

I'm such a whinger, I'm sorry!

hi ladies
PnM sorry things are still not right! FWIW with my CPs the BFP went away pretty soon after i started to bleed so maybe just see if it gets any darker and get down to EPU if it does fingers crossed (and legs too) for you xx {{{{{{higs}}}}}
hi to everyone else
AF is normal for once!! i am genuinely ed as it hasnt been for months
anywho...TMI time over
xx ei xx

Another quick post from me (still at work ).

PnM Really hope it's still good news when you rePOAS but it's such a horrible thing to be going through - big (((hugs))) to you

Waves to everyone else. Won't have much time for MN this weekend as am off to Ikea tonight (more ) and then have a big family party tomorrow night (immediate family flying over, sans kids, for my sister's 40th tomorrow). Busy busy but will catch up properly soon.

Oh PnM I wish I could give you a real life hug. Take care of yourself <<<<hugs>>>>

PnM feel bad about threatening to push you off the bench now . See how the testing goes. I had a CP or MC depending how you look at it last November remember....and here I am with my IVF so I don't think it makes a difference although like everything else, it depends on your PCT and who you get I suppose.

If the + goes away, then I wouldn't mention it, if it doesn't then its good news .

ei sorry your out again this month poppet.

MrsH saw your pics on FB, you look ravishing Mrs. So pretty.

RFN2&3...6 hours????. Do you get a prize if you pull that off?

love and kisses to everyone else. Start shooting up on the 18th, so I'll keep you posted.

Wish I could pop down there and hold your hand, PicknMix. I hope you're as ok as possible.

Spoke to the fertility clinic - the head nurse (who is lovely) and she said there wasn't alot they could do but to rePOAS on Monday and if still positive, contact GP for a referral to EPAU. She tried to be so optimistic for me but, given the (sorry, TMI alert) amount of red blood I just lost, I can quite safely assume its all over . I just hope it doesn't drag on for 3 months like last time (blood tests 3 times a week for 3 months was no fun).

Anyway, thanks for the support. Am now sat working with hot water bottle clamped to stomach, old lady blanket wrapped around my shoulders eating choc mini rolls.

Love to all, sorry for being all about me....

Very very best wishes, PnM - still what seems like mixed signals - doesn't seem like it's all over yet, as others have said, but horribly stressful and a real rollercoaster for you. Thinking of you.

Hope you're enjoying the leave, MrsHappy - calm before the (lovely) storm!

Glad DD is enjoying nursery and you can go to work with a clear conscience (if not a few pangs!), JB. Hope you start to enjoy it, or at least settle in, quickly!

Sorry about the AF, Ei - sounds like things otherwise are good though and moving in the right direction in TTC terms.

Waves to everyone else.

After all that agonizing about DH, am going to have to postpone my fertility appointment - it clashes with my first day of teaching on my new university course, and I think that that's just too crucial to miss - registration, being put into study groups, first teaching on several courses, introduction to lots of technology, etc.. Sigh. The worst day of the year for them to have given me. Feels like it's never going to happen. And I should probably be prioritizing TTC over all else, but there is just so much to miss on Monday at the university. And I figure I can get another appointment. But I know it's one more thing to slow us up. What do people think - am I being stupid?

Anyway, very minor compared to lots of other things on here. Best to all.

Just a quick post (busy busy at work) to say hang on in there to PnM - a positive is a positive, so good news, and others are right that dark is not always bad (in fact there are women on my antenatal thread who bled, quite heavily and often bright red blood, for literally weeks of their pregnancies). I also think you should contact someone - is there an early pregnancy unit at your nearest hospital? Might be a faster, and less "personal" way to get some immediate help/reassurance, without risking your fertility clinic finding out...anyway, am thinking of you and will be back later to see how you are (and catch up properly on everyone else's news).
xxx

Eeeek PnM I can see your difficulty. Well, what about going to your GP instead for a blood test? They probably wouldn't share the information with the fertility clinic. As you say you don't want to drop off the list although I can see that isn't your primary concern at the minute. Although, on the other hand, perhaps this is due to the clomid and if, that is an if, this pregnancy doesn't stick then they'd up your dose. Right I've thought it through and think you SHOULD contact the clinic.

If the blood is dark then I wouldn't assume it is all over. Dark or brown is old blood. Cramping is normal in early pregnancy. Do your boobs still hurt? I remember mine being agony!!

I'll check in later and see how you are doing.

Right onto everyone else!

MrsH OOoh how exciting. I bet you are so happy your work has finished. Your DD must be very excited at the idea of a baby sister.

ei Boo to AF. Good news on the better cycle though. Have you been doing something to regulate your cycle?

bucky Hello! Could you not get one more dog?! . Sorry I shouldn't encourage you! When does your treatment begin?

Enjoy your trip R2n1.

Sorry but duty calls. Work was OK and DD loved nursery. She was happy, ate, slept, played. I was in tears of course! Right, I'll be back later, hang on in there PnM.

Thanks Shrek. How you doing? Heard its been a wet winter for you guys this year, bet you're glad its nearly spring?

Still bleeding and cramping this morning. Still faint bfp.

Have a question - if I contact my fertility clinic, do you reckon they'll take me off the waiting list because I've achieved pregnancy? I don't know what to do, whether I should ring them or not. I don't want to jeopardize (sp?) my ivf chances (altho, right now, ivf is the last thing I want to be doing).

Maybe I could ring the head nurse - she was really nice.

God, I hate this. Wish I hadn't done the test - sometimes its best not to know!

Sorry, me me me....

Hope your journey goes smoothly R4N2+3.

Hang on in there PnM. Contacting the clinic sounds like a good idea. Thinking of you. XX

don't lose heart yet pnm dark is often ok, hope so for you.

Ei, sorry to hear about period arrival . The shorter length cycle is sounding better tho, do you think its anything to do with your healthy eating?

Sorry to keep you all hanging on, its a bit of a typical weird result... Took the test just a minute ago...Faint bfp () BUT as soon as I did the test I got stomach cramps and more dark brown/dark dark red blood.

So, think its all over before it even began.

PnM Keeping my fingers crossed that it is just implantation bleeding but can totally understand why you are being cautious x

MrsHappy Glad your maternity leave has kicked in now (cant believe how fast it has gone!) Lets hope your bp stays good and you get the birth you want

EI sorry about af but good news about your cycles x

Hi to everyone else x

Well I have just finished packing up for a weekend away to the inlaws for fil suprise 60th party and I am feeling quite nervous about how it will go! It will take about 6 hours to get there and as it is a suprise we are staying in a travelodge friday night after the party which with a very lively 3 yo and 8 week old twins could be interesting to say the least lol

Hope you all have a nice weekend and will "see" you all on monday x

I hope so! But of course if my BP goes up or something else starts to go wrong all bets are off and any control I have managed to gain will fly straight out of the window. Oh well...

I agree it's best to assume the worst, hanging about on this thread I have come to realise how common it is for pregnancies not to take, but sometimes they do - and I am hoping this is one of those. Good idea to call your clinic though. A test costs them bugger all and might help you work out what's what.

Thanks for the reasurance guys, I'm not allowing any thoughts of hope just yet though as it feels just like it did when I miscarried last time.

I'm debating whether to ring the fertility clinic tomorrow to see if they will do a blood test - I'm on clomid and they said to ring if I had any questions!

Pleased to hear you're finally finished at work MrsH, hope DD enjoys having you at home. Am excited about being a cyber auntie again - although feel for you as can only imagine how concerned you are about the birth after last time. Sounds like you'll have lot more control over things this time though?

PnM <<tentative congrats>> dont worry too much it might be implantation nd your little bean is burrowing on for the long haul get to your doc and pronto
hi all
xx ei xx

Hang on in there PnM. It could be over but it might not be.
Hope everyone is ok - I've just stopped work and not a moment too soon - I barely fit into my maternity clothes any more!!

Ei, sorry to hear about period arrival . The shorter length cycle is sounding better tho, do you think its anything to do with your healthy eating?

Sorry to keep you all hanging on, its a bit of a typical weird result... Took the test just a minute ago...Faint bfp () BUT as soon as I did the test I got stomach cramps and more dark brown/dark dark red blood.

So, think its all over before it even began.

hi ladies
well AF arrived through the night so im out and CD1 cycle 25 for me but on the upside my cycle was 28 days this time it has been varying between 31-40 days recently so things are looking up methinks
PnM any news
hi to everyone else
xx ei xx

Hello laydeez

Hope everyone is well.  I am sorry I have been so quiet... I do check in pretty often but am so farking tired I just can't be bothered typing...

PnM please do a test, mrs.  Did you do one yet?  Did you?   The boobs of torture sound soooo promising.  I'm crossing everything (including my legs!)

Bucky it is good to see you!  When do you start the IVF business?  Must be soon, yes?

EI (love the new name) wooot! for the fabulous weight loss.  I have been eating for 7 or 8 in the last couple of weeks and keep catching myself doing that old man heavy breathing thing.  I am actually looking forward to having the baby out so I can walk up hill at a decent pace again!

Caitni that's fab that you are beginning to feel movements.  Makes it all more real somehow, I think.  But don't fret if you go a few days without any - tis all perfectly normal in the beginning.

Levi I hope your DH gets on board soon.  Does he really not want a baby or does he just think things are fine as they are? Sometimes I think men just are happy with things as they are and because they don't get the same hormotional madness that we do they assume all is well...

MOB and Rfn23 I cannot believe my cyber niece and nephews are growing up already!   But it is great to hear how well they are all doing.

Well, I am 37 weeks tomorrow so at some time in the next 5 or so weeks you all will have a new cyber niece. I am getting quite excited, but it is tempered by terror at the thought of producing a baby from my fanny. I'm also scared by the thought of another cs so there is not really an upside of the delivery itself (bar the lovely baby of course). Tomorrow is my last day at work which is good because I find myself getting increasingly ratty on the train, especially when I actually have to ask some fit and healthy looking 20 year old man to relinquish his seat. Grrr! Our nanny is leaving us tomorrow, fortunately DD seems quite happy with the idea of spending all day with me, but I am a bit nervous about going back to full time parenting. I haven't done any of that since 2006!!

Will be back sooner next time.

Hmmph , could only find new pups needing a home on ePupz...its made me kind of . There are loads and not that many people are gonna want a pup

PnM...where are you????? Have you tested yet?????? That SO sounds like symptoms. I have my fingers and any other fingers I can get hold of crossed!!!

AND...when did the looking for a dog thing happen??? . ePupz all the way for pupskis...that's where both mine came from. I just pass the time looking at the little cuties! Both mine were rejects bless them. Finn Dog was returned to the breeder when the family didn't want him so was kind of a rescue dog and Molly was the runt that nobody wanted...aw.

posted too early!!

Caitni Those early flutters are great arent they glad you had a good holiday x

Levi I hope your dh does come with you to the appointment, he may be more supportive once he knows a few more facts x

PnM Definately test!! The first clue that I was pregnant with the twins was painful boobs and the only time they had felt like that before was when I was pg with ds
Infact I woke up at 3am thought "Im pg" and went back to sleep! POAS when I got up and just sat waiting for the 2nd line lol

MOB cant believe you're boys are 12 weeks already mind you I cant believe that my 2 are 8 weeks today lol.
Sophie has started giving the odd smile and Adam smiles in his sleep but cant wait for them to interact a bit more
Definately up for motivating eachother, twin mummies getting (back to) yummy lol

PnM Well, i log on for the first time in ages, and see this!!! Go and test ! Better to know one way or the other, i think. Obviously i hope it is a BFP!!! Now go and pee on a stick, or if you haven't got one go and buy one!

EI Well done on the weight loss!!

MrsH Nearly there now! Am so excited for you. I think you must have finished work now? Hope you are having a good rest.

Caitni Very pleased to hear you are looking pregnant and feeling movements!

RFN2&3 Hope the weekend away goes well. I'm on a mission to lose weight too, lets motivate each other!

GG Big hello to you if you're lurking

Bucky Yay to IVF starting soon. Hopefully you will be fine with the injections. i quite enjoyed it almost, but then i'm weird!

DG Am excitedly following your sisters progress and have enjoyed the FB updates!

JB How's it going back at work?

Levi Hope your DH decides to attend the appt with you. i certainly found it good to have my DH there so it became something we were doing together, as opposed to just me.
Men are fickle creatures though!

All fine here - DTs are 12 weeks on Friday, where has the time gone? They are very smiley and interactive now, which we're all loving.

PnM oooh I agree with Ei - get POAS now! My hopes are firmly up for you [fingers crossed emoticon] but I know that this way madness doth lie too...still, you gotta find out . PS glad you had fun in France!

PnM pee on a stick defo!!! it would be farking AMAZING if you get your BFP!! go on!!! i am around for another half hour til i have to pick DD up from school so hurry up

Gahhhhhhhh!

I know you're all off doing far more exciting things but I, for once, have a real life TTC question!

Stupid stupid Clomid gives me false hope so this month, for the first time in ages, I have gone back to my roots and am ridiculously symptom spotting. After 3 yrs of this whole lark, I feel like a teenager again! Anyway, gave up hope couple of days ago cos boobs became periody hurting and I was getting cramps....

Cramps disappeared and then period arrived BUT it was one day(ish) of brown stuff (apols for TMI) and has since buggered off. Boobs still hurt so much, make my eyes water when I move.

So, do I, for the first time in what seems like years (in reality, probably since Christmas) actually piss on a stick????

Naughty Clomid raising my hopes again....

Thanks, PnM, that's a good idea re. the leaflets. (Was reading the post in bed last night and DH got in beside me - hasty use of the scrollbar so I think I got away with it!) I think that's my best bet as I don't think he'll come but we'll see.

(Obviously stopping surfing the web in bed might also be a helpful way to maximise chance of conceiving!! )

Good luck with the dog decision - it's really hard when you're away all day, isn't it? Have seen a couple of gorgeous puppies recently and thought wistfully about having one - that idea, bizarrely, my DH is much happier about, even though we couldn't possibly look after it as things stand. Hope you find an arrangment that suits you, anyway. And glad France was lovely, if friends in confined spaces sometimes less so!

Waves to everyone else!

Hello everybody!!

I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!

Have been away in the south of france which was rather lovely. Unfortunately the local authorities chose the week we were over there to dig up the drainage system; cue 8am starts to the day with pneumatic drills and diggers right next to the pool! Also found out that my friends are not great in confined spaces for extended periods of time - much bickering and bitchiness - !

So how are we all doing?

Bucky can't believe you're so close to your treatment starting! Excited? Petrified?

Your regal daughter sounds incredibly cute JB, hope your first day back at work has gone ok?

I'm guessing you're officially on maternity leave now MrsH? Hope your house isn't falling down?!

Woohoooooo for the weight loss Ei . Great work!! I've just joined a gym - just need to work up some enthusiasm for it now!

Very excited for your first baby flutterings Caitni and fab news that you had such a lovely time away

The first step is making that appointment Levi - I hope you can persuade DH to come along with you. If he doesn't, it might be worth looking up some literature (leaflets especially) on the practical things men can do to 'help' the situation and make sure you find one that states that drinking can effect fertility. Sneaky but if he's not at the appointment, just tell him the consultant gave them to you to pass on to him. Maybe?

As for me and my doggy plans - still working it all out. We want to rescue a dog and are looking at lab's in particular. Although we're also looking into offering our home as a B&B for dogs in training for the Canine Partners charity. They need people to offer a dog a bed for the night whilst its still in training. Perfect for us as we won't have to leave the dog at home during the day. Only trouble is not sure if I could hand the dog on to its new owner when it had completed training

Right, off to scan the job pages as have had e.n.o.u.g.h of my job now - anybody know of any jobs going in the Sussex region?!!!

Great news re. the IVF, Bucky! You'll have to keep me posted as I teeter on the edge... (Well, in practice join a long waiting list, I suppose!) All the very best with it. Long story over whether DH wants a baby - short answer is no, but he is co-operating and is so great with kids (and enjoys them) so am hoping he would really get into it with his own, and I'm not perversely forcing him into something he'd hate. But does account for his feet-dragging over IVF and all the rest of it.

Thanks, Caitni - that is so nice to hear re. the IVF. Would be good to reinstate fun shagging - TTC sex does get a bit tedious/fraught. And I think I'll be happier when progress is being made, even if it's a bit grim physically. (And raises the stakes emotionally .) Glad you had a great holiday and enjoy the flutterings - very exciting!

Well done on the weight loss, Ei - I'm rubbish at this (even though I run, I just eat far too much to ever lose very much!) so am very impressed!

OK, have to head, but hellos too to JB, MrsH, RN2and3, PnM, and everyone else!

Afternoon ladies

Just a quick one from me as am wrecked tired/jet lagged as we got back from the States today. Sorry for the radio silence but been away for over 2 weeks - it was great! Hope all the other holiday-ers are having fun (and )

Bucky yay that IVF stuff is starting - super exciting . The injections are fine, daunting at the start (though glad my DH didn't faint!). Will be keeping my fingers crossed that everything goes smoothly for you xx

Ei well done on the weight loss - excellent work . Did you test?

JB hope going back to work isn't too awful. Big regal waves to your DD

MrsH hope things are good with you - getting close to d-day!

Ready 7 weeks already! Good plan on the weightloss front, but don't be too hard on yourself...I'm planning to take the view that it takes 9 months to grow a baby so am hoping to not stress about weight until 9 months after birth...am sure eating sensibly and running around after 3 little ones will have the weight dropping off for you .

Levi not sure if I've mentioned this but i found the start of IVF actually less stressful...mainly cos we could stop the frantic shagging sessions and actually just have sex when we wanted. So we both sort of relaxed. And IVF is stressful, but it's much more manageable than I expected.

PnM hope all well with you.

Sorry for ram bling. Don't have my contacts in so am squintin g at the screen! Really tired but need to go get dinner sorted. Am ravenous.

Am 18 weeks on Tues and looking quite pregnant. Excitingly have also felt the first flutters of movement .

Love to all xxx

Bucky glad things are moving forward now, have my fingers firmly crossed for you

EI Wow on the weightloss though I hope you are not using the gps advice to starve

MrsHappy How are you and little courgette doing? cant believe how quick it is going

JB your DD sounds so cute hope going back to work isnt too stressful x

PnM cant believe your sister!! are you any further along with getting a dog?

aves to everyone else caitni Levi dg and anyone else I have forgotten

ell the twins are just over 7 weeks now and aare fitting in well, we do have a couple of hours on an evening where they can be unsettled (they tend to get overtired and hungry at the same time!!) but other than that they are fab
e are vising county durham next weekend for fil 60th which involves a 6 hour journey and stay in a hotel ith all 3 kids so will be interesting to say the least

I am on a mission to lose the baby weight now so am hoping I can do as well as ei
Need to lose 2 stone of baby weight and would also like to lose another 2 stone on top so may take a while

also very of the holidayers!!

hey bucky good to 'see' you x great news that your IVF will be startng so soon m very excited for you
hello to everyone else
mrsH not long now before you pop bet you cant wait for the mat leave so you can put your feet up
on all the holiday-ers have a great time
xx ei xx

Gosh the WIMBEWAIF Club is dying a death . I must admit I have been staying away recently (obviously ) because its all just a bit too depressing. JB thanks for asking and yes I had my co-ordination appt. Just waiting for AF now and then its all systems go. ...I am sh*tting myself about all the injections. Not that I am particularly needle phobic but doing the stuff at home is just weird.

Levi I think JB may be right, men are weird and their reaction is often bizarre. Does your DH want a baby? (sorry if you have been through this its been awhile), is it just the IVF he is unexcited about?

Ei Woohoo Get you, with your 5% well done. I have precisely NO willpower or discipline and have only ever lost weight when stressed . I think those of us who are left on the bench are all in the place you describe, hence the absence! After years and years, there is just nothing left to say about the whole process! . I still see GG she's doing ok. She is sooo strong, I think I would be either in a mental institution or have a (more) serious gin problem LOL...

Talking of DHs and IVF. At my co-ordination meeting, somebodys DH fainted when he saw the needle!! It was all super dramatic and we had to leave the room while the nurses rushed in. I felt so sorry for his wife, she is going to have to do all those jabs herself .

Everyone is on holiday this week...PicknMix, GG, DG....so lucky . I wanna go on holiday!!

MrsH how ya doing sweetie? The week's are rolling on...baby will be here before we know it.

Love and hugs to all the other girlies. Miss ya love ya squeeze ya.

Bucky xx

Blimey it is quiet! Helllloooooooooooooooo. Where is everyone?

ei Well done on the weight loss, that is a fantastic achievement. Have you any idea where you are in your cycle at the moment? OOoooh we know you have accurate predictions. You should test.

DD can now wave. It is very cute, almost regal and she shows it off at any opportunity. I am back to work next week, boo. I'm going back part time so it shouldn't be too awful <crosses fingers>.

Hope everyone is well. Love to you all.

hey ladies
its so quiet in here
where is everyone??
not much to report here TBH so i just thought i would duck my head in but the couch has been deserted for a while CD21 here and i am taking thing easy this cycle. me and DH have decided that TTC is getting too stressful and it may be time to stop. we cant afford to go down the assisted conception route so the normal way is our only chance and it seems to be quite inneffective at this particular moment in time i am concentrating on my weight issues and have managed up to now (with the support of my GP) to shift 5% of my body weight and counting
i have however had an overwhelming urge to do a test the past few days so who knows
hope everyone is well
xx ei xx

Hello everyone,

Just stopping in quickly as I need to tidy up, this place is a mess!!

bucky Didn't you have an appointment this week about IVF stuff? Sorry for not wishing you good luck . How did it go? Are you still on course for November treatment?

PnM Yay for getting a dog! What sort are you planning to get?

MrsH Hope your remaining work days just fly by! Not long now...

Levi Perhaps your DH is just feeling a bit pushed out by the idea that IVF is 'all about you', as his <ahem> contribution is his only medical involvement. I hope that comes across how I mean it to . I just think IVF is hard for both men and women emotionally, it might not be that he isn't interested but that he needs to find his feet with it all. He should certainly come to the appontment though.

GG How are you doing? I do think about how you are - hope that doesn't sound weird! You know what I mean I'm sure.

Must go, love to all.

Hi there,

I've booked an appointment with the fertility doc and nurse to talk about IVF, so the ball is rolling (so to speak!). Bit dismayed this morning though as DH said 'I'm sure I don't need to be there, you can tell me what I need to know', just confirming how uninterested he is by the whole process and how much this is my project and something he's only grudgingly involved with at all... I don't think he realizes how hurtful and upsetting I find this. I also sneakily wanted to have him there in case they said anything about how detrimental the drinking might be to the chances of success (in fact I might even have primed them to say something like that, providing they think so, obviously - or is that too despicable?). If they tell me, and I tell him, he won't believe me or will brush it off and assume I'm exaggerating. A bit blue about it all this morning.

Anyway, I should be feeling more positive about the fact that I can get IVF (for free) at all. Thanks for all the support. I do want to go for it - really feel it's now or never.

Fingers crossed for the house news, MrsHappy and hope things start to feel easier soon, and the cold goes away. At least Courgette is doing well!

Sorry to hear about things with your sister, PickNMix. I'd say having a newborn and being up all night for the tenth time in a row etc. etc. will chasten her a little when it actually happens...

Hope the hols are good, Caitni! And hi to everyone else!

Bonjour all

Levistubbstears have you made any decisions since you last posted? FWIW, I think we all have mixed feelings about parenthood. I've met women who went through hell to get pregnant and felt nothing but terror when they finally got what they wanted. And with my DD we tried for (ok not that long) 6 or so months, and she was very much wanted, but still I was shocked when I got my BFP and I spent the next 38 weeks worrying about everything, from money to how we would cope to whether I could be a halfway decent mother. These things do work out though and I am sure the mixed feelings will bugger off for a while once you know what you want to do next.

Caitni I hope you are enjoying your holiday.

Picknmix well done for surviving sister time. I think I would have agreed to swap the dog, though!! That might have put the fear into her!

Right, we have a man here looking at whether our house is falling down (please not!) so I have to go deal with him. Courgette is fine, I am huge and still have a cold and am really hoping that the next 5-7 weeks go more smoothly than the last couple... I have 9 more working days to go and then I can (sort of) put my feet up for a bit.

Hi all!

Levi - IVF is a massive step to take for you and your partner, but I think DG is most likely right, IVF will feel no less normal than temping, cervical persuits or opk testing once you start - you need Caitni to talk to, she's back soon though. Sorry to hear about af, I know the feeling of holding out hope for the 3 month HSG luck to take effect...doubly

MrsH how are you doing?! Its super close now 'til your due date isn't it?? Hope you're coping ok.

DG how are you? Already starting to obsess a bit? Its so very hard not to, isn't it?! I tried to give up but its always lurking in the back of my mind!

Hope you're having afab time away Caitni

Hellooooooooo Bucky, Ei (fab new name), MOB, JB, Okiwi and R4N2+3, hope you're all ok?

I've just taken delivery of a copy of TCYF....in the hope that the laws of pregnativity kick in and it becomes redundant

Had a good week with my dad, although meant I had to spend some time with my sister (we have a new plan - to get a dog - and my darlingsister suggested that when she was on maternity leave she could have our new dog stay with her, nay, she would even swap the new baby for the dog as it would be 'more interesting' . She is a fool (and not getting her mits on my [hypothetical] dog)).

PnMx

Thanks, digitalgirl - just rang the surgery to speak to the lovely fertility nurse about IVF (yikes). She isn't in until Wednesday so all the gearing up was for nothing and feeling a bit frustrated now but at least things might be moving soon. Will try to be super-nice to DH for the next few days too and then gently return to the topic at a good moment and try to have a civil discussion. Hope your own TTC goes well - so hard, I know, to keep it casual!

Sorry to hear that Levi. I think once you've come round to the idea of ivf it won't feel anymore 'deliberate' than charting/cm-obsessing/opk-testing (of which I am guilty of the second despite supposedly 'casually' ttc#2).

Well, AF has arrived exactly on time , so that's it for the hopeful three-months-after-HSG-being-conducive-to-conceiving scenario.

Anyway, small pause for being a bit sad for a day or two, and then some tricky discussion with DH. Got to decide whether to put ourselves on IVF waiting list or not, now - do I push for it with all my powers of persuasion, am I sure enough? Just wish it would happen without me having to be so horribly deliberate about it...

Anyway, thanks for being there, folks, and Caitni for last kind post. It is great to have this as a forum - do appreciate you all!

Morning ladies

LeviStubbsTears LOVE the new name (am a billy bragg fan ). And Seatbelt...er, makes Brandy look like a "good choice" . I'm sorry to hear your sister is struggling with her baby - the sleep deprivation and stress must be awful . But don't feel guilty discussing these things, as one of the things I love about this thread is that I've felt like I can pretty much say anything and not be judged (been a lifesaver at times!). I personally dread having a nightmare time (and worry about things like PND or failing to bond or just generally being a rubbish mum...), but at the same time I think infanthood is such a small part of the years and years of parenting ahead that I'm hoping to let it wash over me. I've been warned by sisters/SILs/my mother/MIL that the worst bit about the first year is the sleep deprivation induced arguments and rattiness with your partner. But it's good to worry/talk about these things, helps to stop them from growing into an unreasonably big fears...

Anyway, enough rambling from me! Just popping in to say bye for a while, as off to the US after work today. Won't be back until the 27th but will try and check in with how folks are doing. Has taken me all morning to actually post this!

xxx

Hi all,

Back with a new name (no longer LizBaz) after forever - thanks for not giving up on me and sorry for not posting - have been away, up and down mood-wise with FTC, and (traitorously!) on other more specific threads a bit. Hope you're all well - great news Caitni about scan and good holiday. The names thing is funny, isn't it - my friend's nephew, of a similar age, had two suggestions for my friend on learning she was having a boy: his own name (Angus) and, when that was rejected (as "too confusing"), Seatbelt! No, no, don't thank me for those helpful suggestions!

Sorry you're feeling at the end of your tether, PicknMix. The anecdotal cases among my friends have had great luck with Clomid so fingers crossed. But I know very well that feeling that nothing will work. I seem to be cycling through being miserable about FTC, frustrated with DH for his disinclination over the whole thing (and corresponding unhelpful behaviour, like drinking with gay abandon), and some very mixed feelings on my own part about the whole idea of having a baby. My sister is having a very difficult time with her son (3 and a bit months) and the whole thing does look so very very tough. Feel guilty talking about such feelings on here, when some of you are so keen for it to happen. I am too at times - it's all very weird indeed. I think having waited so long, it feels so unreal as to become scary again.

Anyway, I'm nearing end of third month after HSG test, so will probably go on a waiting list for IVF soon if we decide that's what we'll do. So need to make a decision pronto!

Anyway, better do some work as it's mid-morning with little achieved!

Hope everyone else is doing well. xxx

Morning ladies

Hope everyone is doing well.

MrsH your daughter sounds so cute - I had a great time with my 3 year old niece in Ireland and I've decided it's a lovely age (and how handy that you don't need to look after her now she's three ) as they're still very young and innocent but are starting to "grow up"...I can't believe that your DD2 will be here soon - am getting so excited about meeting my newest cyber niece!

Bucky glad things are now properly moving for you. Totally normal to be freaked out now it's here - I was the same when things finally started. Glad you're off on holidays, so you're nice and relaxed facing into treatment. I'd also recommend the accupuncturist I used - Ian at Balance Accupuncture. I went to him after LondonLottie recommended him and found him v experienced (he specialises in fertility so has heaps of experience of IVF and now working against the drugs etc) and down to earth...and cheaper than any other accupuncturist I went to!

DigitalGirl hope your cycles settle down soon - must be frustrating when you're trying to get a sense of what's happening. I can't believe A is one already...your birth announcement just doesn't seem like that long ago!

MOB your boys are gorgeous!! Thanks for the pics...it's lovely to see them in person . Hope your older DC are happy to be back to school and are loving their new little brothers.

PnM your dad is over this week isn't he? Hope you're having a good time and your sister is being more sensitive. And glad to hear of the new car (what type is it? I'm getting interested in cars since I've decided we need a new one...as my incentive to start taking driving lessons again ). Hope the Clomid works for you this month, though you must be sick of the mood swings etc.

RFN2&3 wow that the twins are over four weeks already! Time is flying...and it's lovely to hear that you're loving being a twin mum and things are going so well in the ReadyFor household .

Jollybear not long now before jollycub is properly mobile...and then you'll have to get the eyes in the back of your head to keep an eye on her!

PandaEis possibly my favourite name from you and your never-ending pot of great names! Must be my addiction to mascara talking . Glad your t'interweb connection is back but to hear you're onto cycle 24. You've been through so much in your 2 years...I really hope you get a sticky bean soon [fingers crossed emoticon]

Waves to Lizbaz and Okiwi - hope you're both doing OK

Things are fine with me. I had my "16 week" check last wed at 14+1 and it was fine except I had to wait nearly TWO hours to be seen! So my blood pressure was understandably a little higher than my booking in appointment (must have been caused by my numb arse from the uncomfortable chairs!). I then ended up seeing a registrar who had been drafted in from the labour ward to try and clear the antenatal clinic backlog. He was very nice and actually very relaxed about the home birth desire (he said "ah yes, I can see how you'd want that after the clinical experience of IVF" and I was like "yes, yes, that's exactly it!" and I now have "wants a home birth" scrawled across my notes ). It was very hard for him to hear the heartbeat but I was remarkably relaxed about it, since my extensive googling assures me that 14 weeks is early for a doppler to work clearly (an unintentional benefit of being a google pregnancy stalker).

We also had a super time in Ireland. We got to spend lots of time with all of my family, including all the nieces/nephews ranging in age from 7 to 7 weeks so lots of little people to practice on. The older ones are all very happy that we're having a baby - my 6 year old nephew was very "helpful" with names (Brian and Brandy are his top choices ).

And we're off to the States on Thursday night to visit the in-laws for over two weeks so just have to get through some manic days at work before it's holiday time again!

Sorry for the mammoth post

Evening

DG that is a mammoth cycle, but don't worry about it too much. When I had DD my period took about 14 weeks to come back (in spite of me breastfeeding for months afterwards - grrr) but my periods were really irregular - 90 and 60 day cycles, for example. I had some acupuncture and probably by the time DD was 1 they had settled down to 29-35 day cycles. So it took about 9 months for things to behave more normally. Hopefully it will settle down for you too before too long.

Ei It's nice to see you and glad your internet connection is back.

How did the seduction go PnM? Like DG I have forgotten how to do that stuff now. TBH I am not convinced I ever want to do it again right now!!

Caitni Did you have your 16 week check? I hope it went ok.

News from the fatty... I am kind of big and my pelvis feels as though it is falling apart. And I have braxton hicks contractions every day. I just hope that all of this means that, unlike when I had DD, my body is actually gearing up for the big event. It would be cool if this one was early but I am not holding my breath! Mr H has not been well and so the two of us laze about on the sofa while DD does pretty much whatever she wants. But it's ok, she told me yesterday that "three year olds can take care of themselves", so that is my job done, I guess!

Anyway, back later - hope everyone is well.

Sorry, been a while since I've checked in here.

Hope things are getting better GG*

*bucky things are on the move!

MrsHappy are you at the horribly uncomfortable stage now? where even sleeping is difficult?

caitni how is bump growing, is it looking more like a pregnant bump or still just a bit like a big dinner?

RFN2&3 your twins are gorgeous!

PnM Hope the seduction is going well. I've completely forgotten how to do that sort of thing.

JB ah, frustrated crawler stage! When you could still leave them in one spot and go to the toilet....

I managed to hold off from testing till AF arrived last weekend. Was a little disappointed, but probably not as much as I would have been if I'd tested. It also coincided with DS going through yet another 'change' and deciding to wake up every night and scream for 2 hours. Which made me wonder how on earth I'd cope with another.

Mammoth 8 week cycle that was. I thought giving up the daytime BF's would shorten my cycles - but no, am back to pre-pregnancy crazy long cycles.

hi ladies
long time no post no tinternet as DH didnt pay the bill
AF arrived slightly late on wednesday so CD3 cycle 24 for me now it seems like yesterday i sat on the 2ww sofa for the first time i thought it would be a short wait but hey ho... im glad i have been in such good company for this 2 year wait hopefully those of us who are still waiting wont have much longer to wait
xx ei xx

Hello all,

PnM Ithe mood for seduction despite hot flushes and mood swings, well done you! When does your dad arrive and enforced time with your sister begin? What car did you get? New cars are very exciting.

Re the clomid etc, when is your next check up? Did they say what the next steps were going to be? It is odd that they gave you clomid and haven't monitored you. But as we know your PCP have their own ideas about things .

MrsH Jollycub is very well thanks for asking. She is a frustrated non-crawler at the moment and spends most of the day pushing herself up onto her hands and lifts herself up slightly on her feet and then sprawls onto her tummy. I pick her up and the cycle begins again!

caitni How was the check up? I don't think I had a 16 week check, is that because you had IVF and are special?

Oh and not planning another just yet PnM. Speaking of which, did you test DG?

Evening all,

I feel bad - in my head I'd said hi to Caitni but reading back over my post today, it looks like I didn't!!

Sorry Caitni, hope you're doing ok? You had your '16'wk check yesterday didn't you? Hope it all went well.

R4N2+4 your son sounds very cute, he's a good boy for trying to help!

I'm off to try and seduce my DH now (tmi!?) - seem to have lost all interest at the mo so need to make a bit of an effort!!

Hope you're all ok

x

MOB your little boys are gorgeous how are things for you? We are doing well at the moment but have a feeling the next 2 years will be intersting to say the least lol

Caitni Did you have a good time with your niece and nephew? Bet you got plenty of practice in

PnM DS is doing quite well, he tries very hard to help but does get a bit jealous when I am feeding them!
Glad you are mobile again and hopefully your sister will be more sensitive x

MrsH your DD sounds so cute glad little courgette is doing well

Bucky You must be excited and nervous now,so glad they finally got sorted!

Hi to everyone else x

well the twins are 4 weeks old today (not sure where the times gone lol) and I am loving being a twin mummy
We are getting a new car on saturday as ours is such a squash lol and we need to look at a new house as we are rapidly running out of space so gonna be busy lol

Afternoon all,

Yay for the arrival of the paperwork Bucky!! Hope you have a fabulous time away and feel fully refreshed for drugs and subsequent treatment in October

How very funny MrsH re littlest H talking about cute baby clothes!! Sounds like she's getting excited? Remind me, how are your birth plans now? Have you been allowed to go for a HB or did you decide to go with the MWL unit?

JB how is the cub doing? Must be time for a siblingcub soon, surely???

Speaking of which, how are you doing DG?? How was A's 1st birthday?? Hope he appeciated all the effort I'm sure you went to!

Just in case you're looking in, hope you're doing ok GG and so so sorry to hear all you're going through at the moment, take care xx

Where are you Ei?? How are you doing?

And Okiwi and Lizbaz? Hope you're both doing ok?

MOB your boys are very gorgeous, are they behaving well? Good luck with the back to school madness!

R4N2+3 your two are equally gorgeous as well!!! How is DS doing with them?

Sorry I haven't been around much - have been busy with work. Am back on the clomid this month and the hot flushes are awful. The terrible mood swings aren't much fun either - so much so that I had decided not to take them but DH convinced me otherwise .

Have avoided my sister successfully and, to be fair to her, she hasn't been bad in the last few weeks. My father is over next week from the Far East and staying with us for a week (right when OV will prob happen - brilliant) so will def end up having to spend some time with my sister then but shall grin and bare it!

I truely am at the end of my tether with ttc. The only reason I'm taking the clomid is because DH wanted me to, I don't believe it will work at all.

But in other happier news, I have finally bought a car so am mobile again which is great!!

Anybody else wondering where the summer went?! Its awful out there today!!!

x

Hello all

MOB your boys are gorgeous - very sweet. I did have a rather confused moment when (mis)read your post and thought they were off to school already, though! I mean, I know I have been pregnant forever but I didn't realise I had a longer gestation period than an elephant...

Bucky Yay for the paperwork. Do you think someone at the hospital realised they were at risk of a Finn-mauling?!

JB How's the wee cub?

Hope everyone is well. I am the size of a small house and spent the weekend at a wedding where every gay man in the vacinity asked me if I was going to give birth that day and looked scared. Courgette seems to be fine and I have started buying things for her and digging out the old clothes. We've managed to find a chest of drawers for her things so I have somewhere to put them now! DD keeps getting out babygros and going on about how cute they are! (which is hilarious coming from a very tiny three year old!)

Hello everyone,

bucky It must be a bit <bites nails> when things actually start happening. Great news for you and Mr bucky*!

*MOB Oooh what lovely looking boys . Thanks for posting pictures!

caitni Wow 16 weeks nearly already.

Big hugs to everyone else.

Hi ladies

RFN2&3 Your babies are beautiful!!! You put me to shame by posting pictures first - so i have just added some now. The names are lovely too.

Bucky Yay! Things are finally moving forward for you - so pleased.

GG I was devastated to hear of all you are going through. Lots of love to you.

Caitni Really glad the scan went well.

MrsH Hope you're feeling better?

Big hello to everyone else. XX

All fine here. Busy getting the big ones ready to go back to school, as well as looking after the babies! So haven't had time to post, but do try and read when i can. Hope it's worked & you can see the pics on my profile.

RFN2&3 - Your babies are beautiful .

Just dropping in again to say the letter arrived! Co-ordination is on the 15 Sept with drugs in October and treatment in November!!! . Now it is here I am scared!!! And there is a million trillion forms .

Anyway, have a great weekend girls. Hope we get some sun. xx

thanks MrsH I do feel very lucky Hope you are starting to feel better and what ever it is clears up asap x

Caitni It will be a lovely suprise for you then (I was too impatient to wait and see lol)Have a fab weekend and enjoy the practice with those lovely snuggly babies
I really wouldnt worry about the consultant, I saw the same one every 4 weeks for scans and checks and then when I had them she was nowhere to be seen so it was pointless!! At the end of the day they just need to tick you off their list and then they will refer you back to midwife care x

TBH you probably won't see your consultant anyway - I reckon it'll be some minion who will look horrified when you mention the possibility of homebirth, but don't let that put you off! At clinics they seem to take the patients in rotation so you see whoever is free (unless you ask specifically to see the cons, which is what I did last time after the SHO had done my blood pressure etc).

MrsH glad to think you it's a bug (not that it's pleasant for you but it's better in that it may clear it soon). My consultant is Miss C Paul - haven't done any googling (been too busy!) but am not too bothered about seeing her now. At least it means I only have until next Wed to wait for me "16 week" appointment.

Big waves to everyone else. Hope you all enjoy the long weekend. I'm off to Ireland until late Tuesday so won't be around all weekend. I get to meet my 6 week old neice (and pick up lots of maternity clothes from my stylish sister ) and my 3 month old nephew...as well as enjoy the company of all the rest of the fam.

So bye for now xx

RF2and3 your babies are gorgeous. Lucky you getting two of them!

Caitni I am glad they are being helpful at the hospital. Who is your consultant? I am deemed "high risk" and will only have a total of 3 appointments with doctors by the time this is over (admittedly the first one was a total waste of time) but they do generally seem quite happy to let the midwives take the lead even if you are a risky one like me, which is nice!!

I don't think the way I feel is anything to do with the baby. In fact I think I have a tummy bug. Someone has suggested that I have the dreaded swine but I doubt it...

Anyway, am supposed to be working from home, so back later!

Thanks Readyfor . We've decided not to find out what we're having - as it's our first we're just not bothered beyond wanting a healthy baby.

Caitni so glad everything is going well with your bean will you find out what your having?
Im sure you will get referred back after the appointment and you are very lucky having a supportive midwife x

Ah Readyfor totally gorgeous pictures . They are so cute! I'm glad to hear that all is well with you and that the babies are so chilled (lucky you ).

I'm so to hear about GG though...what a complete nightmare for her. I really hope the medical intervention gets it sorted soon. GG if you look in sending you lots of hugs at this awful time.

MrsH sorry to hear you're feeling blue. I imagine it's not too uncommon in these late stages (I'm thinking you're 32/33 weeks ish no?). I hope you start to feel a bit better soon - the end is in sight!

JB I was at your cats - what new heaven they have discovered with your DD's weaning!

Bucky sorry to hear that the PCT are still mucking you around - you're probably sick of chasing by now! - but yay for Miami. At least you'll get a lot of much needed R&R and come back all tanned and gorgeous

PnM so sorry to hear how insensitive your sister's been . Really hope it doesn't come to moving away, as you and your DH sound so happy in your current place...apart from this of course. And you sound perfectly sane to me!

Lizbaz hope the 40th party was fun!

Waves to MOB Ei Okiwi Digitalgirl and anyone I've missed.

I had my 13 week scan yesterday, and apart from a baby who wouldn't start posing properly for a while, it went very well. I'm planning to put up scan pix at some point.
The sonographer did a lot of pressing on my belly, which helped get the baba to move but my god, I thought I'd wee on her! The nuchal scan was fine and the baby is bang on for dates.

I now have my 16 week check up early - next Wed at 14 weeks - as both myself and the obstetrician are away in Sept. I was a bit annoyed about having to see an obstetrician, as my GP just put shared care automatically because it's an IVF pregnancy and I was a bit p!ssed off about it...but the midwife assured me that if all remains fine then I'll just be referred back to midwife care and all will be well. Also got to discuss wanting a homebirth - midwife seemed very pro and explained all about the how it would work from a midwifery point of view. Must say, am liking the Whittington so far .

GG Thinking of you and hope things get sorted quickly for you x

Bucky Hope your letter comes soon and things can get moving for you

EI How are you doing? (love the new name)

PnM So sorry to hear how insensitive your sister has been ltely nd hope you can resolve it somehow x

MrsHappy Hope you feel better soon, nothing worse than being ill when pregnant, How long has little courgette got left to bake now?

MOB How re things with your little boys? Would love to see pics if you have time

Digi Any news?

JB Keeping my fingers crossed for your lottery win lol

Waves to everyone else x

Well Adam and Sophie are 3 weeks old today and I love them to bits I cant believe how chilled out they are, its actually easier this time than with DS1 lol

I have put a few pics on my profile if any of you fancy a peek

Oh crapity crap crap. Poor GG. Ectopics really are utter bastards. If you look in, GG, I hope you get it sorted soon. If you want a rant, I think you have my number and also I found the ectopic pregnancy trust pretty helpful with my pointless questions, moaning etc. They might be worth looking up.

Bucky how irksome that you are still waiting for your letter. I agree with JB that you should set the dogs on them!

JB We have most of the stuff, but there are somethings I wanted to get. We need a new cot mattress (because you are only supposed to use them for 1 child) and I am scared this baby will be cold (DD was born in a very hot summer) so she needs blankets and things like that. Also DD has kept all of her baby blankets and won't let them go! So I am still buying odd bits.

Ei - it's nice to see you. I hope you are keeping well.

Not much news here either. I am feeling like shit and am not sure whether I have a bug or some sort of pregnancy-related aches. I shouldn't moan because obviously am very glad to be pregnant, but my goodness I am sick of belching and being uncomfortable. I have even come home early because I feel like pants. Boo hooo hooo.

Blimey poor GG . That's just terrible. Do give her my love bucky.

How much waiting around can you stand bucky before you storm the PCT headquarters with Finn and Molly by your side demanding answers? How are the hounds? Done anything amusingly naughty recently?

Our cats are loving DD's self feeding. The big old tabby jumped up and removed a tuna laden rice cake out of her hand the other day. DD thinks it is most amusing.

P&M Can you just not see your sister without moving? Unless you are keen to make a new start it seems a lot of trouble to go to. Is your sister not able to understand why her pregnancy is difficult for you and tone it down a bit? Big <<<<hugs>>>.

ei Where abouts are you cycle wise, post ov? Are you still temping?

R4N2 Lovely names! Do post a pic if you get a chance.

MOB Any chance of a pic for those not on FB? I bet they are getting big now. The early days go so quickly.

digi Did you test?

MrsH Not long for you now! Have you got all the bits or was it just a case of dusting things off from the attic from DD1?

I must do some boring tidying now whilst DD is napping. Back to work for me soon . I'm only going back part time but it is 2 and a half days too long. My contract runs out next June so I'm rather hoping DH gets a payrise and I can give up work. Unless I win the lottery before then .

hi ladies

its mighty quiet in here recently
bucky hope you are well sorry to hear GG is having a nightmare time of it hope things are ok for her xx

hello to everyone else
nowt to report here

xx ei xx

Its very quiet here . Are you all ok.

I'm still waiting for my letter...ladedadeda..., so nothing to report really. I go on hols next Thursday to Miami for my girls week away.

I'm in contact with GG regularly, she said it was ok to let you all know that she is having a total nightmare . I'll let her give you the details but she is having a very hard time at the moment shifting an ectopic pregnancy . Her levels are still going up even after intervention . I really wish I could do something to sort it out for her.

Anyway, hope you are all doing ok and my cyber neices and nephews, born and unborn are all fine. xx

hi guys,
thanks for thinking of me it really makes a difference to know there are people out there who understand how i feel. pick'n'mix - i agree totally with you about feeling like giving up, though it's not really even giving up, it's almost like a rebellion against those who are pg/have babies. i can't really explain it, only that i sort of feel some days like i want to think of the things my friends with kids can't do and then rub their faces in the fact that i can do those things. even though i'd swap places with them in a heartbeat because i don't really want to be going out getting pissed til all hours or going away for a weekend at the drop of a hat but i'm going to try and make them jealous of me instead of the other way round. god it sounds awful written out like that doesn't it?

Hi all,

Sorry I've not been around much - nothing to report, really (and my DH's 40th birthday party on Saturday to organize on top of (allegedly) work etc. - feeling just a little overwhelmed at the moment!). Really sorry, PicknMix that you're feeling a bit low - totally understandable, must feel a bit much at the moment. I'm lucky that my sister is as sensitive as she can be, but I felt really bereft after she left after a short visit with my nephew, whom I'd cuddled and fed a lot (sounds a bit pathological - I didn't get any ideas he was mine, don't worry, and am fine now, but did feel a pang!).

My grandmother is ok, although it wasn't the best visit ever - wanted to get her out of the house but going anywhere is a problem as she's less and less mobile, and trying to go to the seaside in Cornwall in the summer was logistically a bit of a nightmare, with hordes of people and no parking. I even managed to make her carsick! Great... Oh well, lesson learnt! Hopefully on balance she was glad I was there!

Anyway, really have to get on with cleaning house prior to party before I slope into work at some disgraceful hour! All the best to everyone (and especially to Okiwi - it's god awful this whole business but we're here if and when you need us). xx

Picknmix you do sound sane to me, and I can completely understand how you feel - especially the not wanting to TTC anymore. I think I veered from obsessing about my CM and plotting what to do next to make things happen to deciding to give it up as a bad lot on a near daily basis! Anyway, I hope you are your DH are ok. Can you have a word with your sister and tell her to lay off the baby talk for a bit? Tell her you are excited for her but that it is just too much to be listening to it all the time...

Hope everyone is well. I am 31 weeks tomorrow (sorry, PNM, now here I go with the baby talk ...) and so things are getting close. Hopefully she'll stay put until at least her due date because I need to keep working as long as I can. Or to win Euromillions, that would do too . Then there would be the MrsH IVF scholarship for any of you who want it!

Ok, back now with a bit more time!

Congrats on reaching the 12 wk milestone Caitni - bet you're counting down the days until the scan (only 6 more sleeps!). How are you feeling? Hope the sickness is on the wane now?

How's the courgette doing MrsH? Yay for iron pills! Is DD getting excited about the courgettes arrival?

JB can I just reiterate that of course we don't mind that you post here - in fact, would be very if you didn't! Its lovely to hear about Jollycubs progress and you always give good advice!

Where are my lovely ladies on the bench?!! We all seem to have done a disappearing act....

Hope you're ok EI? Ov already occurred? Hope the stiff neck has sorted itself out now?

Boooo to the rubbish PCT Bucky! Have you sorted it out yet? Have you located your DH's test results yet?

Okiwi sorry to hear you're feeling down, I'm just trying to drag myself out of that place at the mo as well - its tough, isn't it? Do vent or rant as much as you want on here, it's what we're here for.

Lizbaz sorry to hear about af, and also hope your grandmother is ok? Its great to hear that you're feeling more positive re IVF, it can sometimes help just feeling like there's something being done to get you nearer to your baby goal, even if its just being put on the waiting list.

How are you doing GG? I was going to see if any of you were around in London at the weekend but the day was literally jam packed with 5 year old activities (ok, so secretly I quite enjoyed them as well!). Hope you're ok x

Lovely lovely names R4N2+3 - so great hear that all is going smoothly for you at the moment. Did you say your mum is going in for an op around now? Hope thats all ok as well.

How are the boys doing MOB? Hope they're settling down as well - very cute photos on FB! (Have I said that already?! Probably but that just means they're doubly cute )

I apologise for not being around much. I went into a bit of a freefall after I heard about my sister. You're all right - she is fairly insensitive. Its not that she's malicious, she's just not very socially aware. She has said some pretty hurtful things to me in the past few days and I'm growing an incredibly thick skin, but I am also getting ridiculously stubborn and childish i.e. I can't really be bothered with TTC as it just feels like it doesn't matter anymore. Which I appreciate makes nosense whatsoever.

I genuinely don't know how I'm going to cope over the next few months - so much so that DH and I have been talking about moving away (she currently lives 3 miles away).

I'm in a bit of a ranty mood tonight so I'll cut it short before I start telling you all about my lack of car, my crappy job and my totally negative attitude to everything!

(I am sane really, I promise)

Hi guys,

Just a quick message to say hi and apologise for not being around much.

Will try and catch up a bit better tonight when I have more time....

PnM x

Morning ladies

Bucky sorry to hear that the Hammersmith are being so annoying losing test results etc. They sound pretty rubbish on the administrative side, which just adds to the stress. Nightmare! Hopefully you'll be pregnant before too long and all of this will be a distant memory

DigiGirl so...did you test??

RFN2&3 such beautiful names!! I love them and I'm glad to hear the twins are being so laid back - you also sound very laid back for a mum of three . How's your DS1 taking to being an older brother?

MrsH know what you mean about the risks - all things to ponder - but your midwives sound so good to have said that a home birth is an option for you. The birth centre does look great - is that where you're booked in?

Okiwi hope you're feeling a bit better

Ei hope things are good with you - have you ovulated yet? Am so hoping you catch the egg this month [fingers crossed emoticon]

PnM hope you're off enjoying the sunny weather - it's so roasting on the tube that I was missing the south coast this morning...especially as a colleague took today off to cycle to Brighton!

MOB hope things are going with with you too

Waves to Lizbaz Jollybear GorgonsGin

Not much new with me. Am 12 weeks today and just waiting for my booking in app (this Sunday) and my 13 week scan (a week today). Otherwise just wishing I was off work to soak up all this lovely sun...

Meant to say how nice it is to see all our new ladies too.

Nothing new here I'm afraid but thought I would check in. Signed IVF funding forms last week so just waiting for name to come up. I am having a nightmare with the admin though. Hammersmith have lost DPs blood test results about a million times and now St Albans are ready to kill me...and I quote 'you are not our only patient you know!'.

The bench possee appear to have absconded! We are all a bit peed off methinks...fed up of the wait!!

Hope you are all doing ok. We need a catch up soon.

Bucky xx

Hi all x
sorry I havent posted for a while been kinda busy lol

Caitni so glad you enjoyed your scan, its great seeing them x Can understand why you want a homebirth ( I was going to until we found out it was twins)

Mrshappy Glad they spotted the anemia and that the iron tablets are working, its hard enough being pregnant with a toddler without the extra tiredness lol

HI to everyone else sorry for not doing individual posts but havent got time

Well Sophie May and Adam Edward are doing well and are actually very laid back and easy going.
I am feeling so well that I have to remind myself I only gave birth 10 days ago lol

I seriously considered HB too, Caitni, and my independent midwives are happy for me to birth at home if I want. What has swung it for me is that although risks of something going wrong are very small (and things go wrong at the hospital too), I could not cope with wondering whether things might not have gone so badly if I had been at the hospital. It's a tiny risk, as I say, but one I couldn't bring myself to take even though I trust my MW.

Anyway I guess the important thing is that you give birth wherever you are most comfortable, and you have bags of time to decide where that is. If the hospital are not supportive and you want to go that way I can put you in touch with the independent midwives who I am using. But do check out the birth centre - there are some details on t'interweb here and I am reliably informed that the rooms have very nice bathrooms (a fact which I liked after experiencing them in other hospitals...).

Hope everyone is well. I don't work Fridays so am spending the day with DD, who needs a bath badly, so will be back later. Perhaps with a new name after reading the DM thread...

okiwi sorry to hear you're feeling low. Do rant away here if it helps.

caitni I was thinking homebirth till I actually did a tour of the labour ward and thought perhaps for my first it would be a good idea to be somewhere with easy access to a variety of pain relief. Just in case. The labour ward midwives when I gave birth to A were all absolutely fantastic. Dead keen on avoiding bringing the doctors in. Which was good. I'd say the birthing centre sounds like a fab compromise. But go have a little look and see what you think!

Another thing to think about re: homebirths is whether you think you'll be really noisy. I was a screamer and was glad I didn't have to tone it down for the sake of the neighbours.

Still dunno re: testing. So bloody expensive. I really don't feel PG anyway. Cramps are all lower back related rather than twingey womb related. Might just wait another week.

ooh Digitalgirl you must test! As MrsH says it could be your body gearing up to get back on track...but it could also be you know what . I am indeed at the Whit, who apparently have a jazzy new midwife led birthcentre too though I've not actually booked in for a tour yet. Was that where A was born too?

MrsHappy I'm glad to hear the iron pills are helping with the tiredness - it's good that the anaemia was spotted. Also glad to hear that courgette is still kicking away. She's probably laughing away too if your last scan is anything to go by . I really hope the next ten weeks also rush by for you! And thanks for the heads up re the Whit antenatal clinics. I'm actually [whispers] thinking about a home birth...on the basis that I can always transfer in if I need to. My DH was born at home, as were some of his siblings and nephews and, since our conception was as medical as you can get, I'd like the birth to be as intervention free as possible. I'm going to see what the midwife says when I book in...

LizBaz sorry to hear AF arrived...fingers crossed for cycle three post HSG . Though also glad to hear you're feeling calm about the prospect of IVF, though I think you should bring up the Clomid thing again. I'd say ask any questions you need to feel comfortable with the treatment proposed.

Okiwi so sorry to hear you're feeling low again . TTC is such a rollercoaster and it can really get you down...I always found that I started to perk up as ovulation approached though. Even if I had vowed to take a month "off" of tracking signs etc I'd inevitably notice and get all hopeful that this month would be the month for the BFP. I think it's human nature (compounded by hormones). Hope you start to feel better soon and we're here whenever you want or need to rant xx

Ei am liking the name change . Good idea getting your DH on board to help with the stiff neck . Really hope this month is good news for you. How's the weight loss going? I'm jealous as am feeling fat having manged to get up the duff when I was at the heaviest I've been in years...

Bucky Madoldbird JollyBear RFN2&3 (will you name change now they're here? And can't wait to hear what you've called your LOs ) GorgonsGin PicknMix waves hello and hope you're all doing well.

Things fine with me though (big time TMI alert!) had some extremely light brown spotting after sex the other night. And of course was totally freaked out, though my books and google confirm that it's pretty common after sex and not something to worry about unless there's lots of it or cramping or whatever. And the scan at 10.5 weeks was perfect, so I doubt it's anything to worry about. Still, it's kind of put me off sex for the time being (poor old DH).

evening ladies
hope everyone is well
not much happening here
got a stiff neck and a headache so im gonna ask DH to help me loosen it up seeing as how im due to Ov any day now anywho...
xx ei xx

hello ladies sorry i've not been on here recently, have been feeling very low again and generally avoiding people (even virtual ones!)

Evening ladies

Lizbaz glad you are feeling ok about the possibility of IVF.

DG of course you should test. If it is a BFN, the cramps might just be your body "gearing up" to ovulate and then not. I had a lot of that during the year or so after my DD was born (she was BF until 7 months, but my periods came back after 14 weeks annoyingly). It took my body a while to get back on track IYSWIM and there were lots of random cramps in the meantime.

Hope everyone is well. No real news from me. Courgette is very kicky and I am less tired now I am on the iron pills. I just wish I could blink and make the next 10 or so weeks whizz by!

lizbaz sorry you got your af yesterday, but pleased your feeling positive about ivf now.

mrsh is it really only 7 more weeks of work?!! And do tell me more about the new birthing centre at the whit.

caitni are you going to Whittington too?

rfn2&3 apologies but I don't think I've had the chance to congratulate you yet!!! Are you nose deep in lovely snuggly babies unable to imagine them ever being big enough to toddle across the room?

So, I am unofficially wondering about doing a pregnancy test. It's been about 6 weeks since my last period and have been feeling crampy for quite a few weeks now. However I distinctly remember this from last time I was ttc'ing - cramps for weeks and then bfn after bfn till eventually af showed up on some random day. Bearing in mind my last cycle was 5.5 weeks I am late compared to that. But the cycle before that was about 3 months and nothing before that as that was my first period since giving birth. I am also still breastfeeding, ds has been cutting down but then last week upped his feeds as he was unwell. So am totally in the dark as to when I should test. Should I wait till my tummy starts getting bigger? Dh thinks I should test tomorrow so I can rule it out and go see the gp about these cramps.

Wow, thanks everyone (digitalgirl, Caitni, RFN2&3, PicknMix, MadOldBird and MrsHappy - think that's everyone - sorry if not, am only quickly scanning the internet in a library!) for the lovely supportive greetings and advice, and BuckyforC for continued support. And congrats, RFN2! I haven't been on for a while as I've been down in Devon looking after my grandmother and only had very sporadic internet access (and some of it only on a phone screen). Just got my AF yesterday so feeling a bit low as usual (that's month two of the three after the HSG without the hoped-for success...) but cheered by the support on here, and the advice that IVF probably is the way to go. Will be on a waiting list by the end of next month, hopefully. (Well, most hopefully I won't need to be, but it's looking that way!) I might raise the Clomid thing one more time, PicknMix, but I suspect that I'll probably just wait for IVF now. There are obviously a lot of us inexplicables out there and it's not crazy to go straight for it even if there isn't a defined problem as such. Anyway, have to go catch a train but great to touch base again with everyone and good luck with whatever stage you are all at.

Thanks Caitni. I found the thread and have posted. Your scan and booking appointment will come in no time. A word of warning - I find the Whit ante-natal clinics rather hot, crowded and stressful (partly because I am scared of hospitals) BUT the medical people have been very nice so far, so don't be put off by the nasty green lino etc! And talk to them about the birth centre - it is spanking new and looks lovely.

JB I am glad you still post here too. . I am not planning to finish work for another 7 weeks (although since I get only maternity allowance it kind of doesn't matter when I go - I will be broke regardless!) but I don't know how much feet up time there will be since I have lots to do...

Right, have been told I am all anaemic which explains why I am so knackered, so off to bed with me. Back tomorrow!

Afternoon ladies

MrsH I sent you a message on FB but someone in the Pregnancy topic is trying to find you - see here - so thought I'd post it here too

Hope everyone's well

Morning ladies

Ei I looked up your thread after JB mentioned it and I am totally and utterly at some of the responses! I read through most of it and was gobsmacked. My own personal (and rather uncool ) philosophy is that I post things I'd say in person in RL - which is why I pretty much never post in AIBU. The general vibe in that topic seems that the same posters crowd threads with rude posts, points scoring off each other like a bunch of adolescent boys . Which makes me think that people like moondog and some of the other regular and rude posters lead sad lives to get their kicks baiting people on AIBU! Pretty tragic inho. I think you were sensible to see your GP, who behaved like a total idiot - a problem many of us have come across when seeking advice about ttc. Not sure if I've mentioned this but I'd recommend the low GI diet. It worked for me - shed two stone without joining a gym or doing things like 6 hours of hard exercise a week (as one poster on that thread suggested ) - really easy to do with a job, a young child and a household to run double ). Anyway, enough ranting about the bitches ladies on that thread, I used a book by this guy Rick Gallop and what I liked about it is that it's not a faddy diet, but a lifestyle change, and I've kept the weight off mostly (until comfort eating when dealing with ftc and IVF ). You'll get there and I'm glad you'll be seeing a dietician

JB I love that you post here! You were already pregnant when I joined the thread and I like the continuum, helped me at least to keep my eyes on the prize during the long and stressful months of ttc - I'd be quite sad if people left once they'd got their BFPs (or their babies in your case) so you better stick around

MrsH hey, I thought the north london ironing mountain lived at my house . That's really interesting about the ladies you were out with. Just goes to show how the "I fell the first month trying" is definitely the exception rather than the rule a lot of the time...my booking app is on 23 Aug, with my first NHS scan on 25 Aug...which felt like ages away when the letter arrived but are gradually getting closer!

Waves to everyone else. Things fine with me - I'm feeling so much calmer after my scan on Saturday and am enjoying it (11 weeks today!). Right, off to a regular meeting...time for some work!

xxx

Ooooh it has gone quiet on here. HELLO?!

Anyway, sorry for my quick posts recently.

ei Glad you aren't disheartened by the comments you got on AIBU. People can be so nasty! I wanted to write a post saying what a lovely and cheery lady you are and how DARE people make such comments. You were holding your own very well though so didn't want to undermine your arguement with "but she's so nice, STOP IT" etc. I hope my comment was OK, I was so grrrrrrrrrrrr on your behalf!

bucky Lovely to see you. Good on you at the car boot sales, we really need to do one, it took us over an hour to locate the christmas decs last year, the attic is full of crap! I'm gutted on how your PCT are messing you about. How can they suddenly change their opinion on your test results? It is outrageous. Are you awaiting yet another scan?

GG I expect that you will not be popping in for a while but I just wanted to say that you and your DH are in my thoughts. It goes without saying that this latest attempt must have knocked you for six, so so heartbreaking, I just want to say that we are here if you need us <<<<higs>>>>

MOB Don't forget those pics when you get a minute, you too RFN2*!!

*MrsH Great to hear all is well with you. When are you finishing work? Won't be long till you can put your feet up (pre baby of course!).

New people, welcome! I should explain that I graduated from the thread last year when DD was born but everyone is so nice, I stay around and chat. I hope they don't mind .

Anyhoooo, love to all!

Hello everyone,

Just a quick one as we are heading out it in a mo...

R4N2&3 Congratulations! Fantastic news. Keep us pipped on the names you choose.

caitni Fantastic news about the scan, I saw lots of funky prams when I was in Berlin, the Europeans have some really nice looking ones.

PnM I think that as your sister knows that you are struggling to have a child, it was rather insensitive of her to go into quite so much detail. Buckys steak analogy was a very good way of putting it. Of course you have mixed emotions about her pregnancy, completely understandable, all of us would feel the same. Do NOT beat yourself up about it.

I really must go but will be back... hello to everyone, I saw some of the old faces are back, hurray - hello mibbes, glad you and DS are well, and hello to all the newbies. Everyone here is just so lovely!

Wow - so so glad to hear it Caitni.

You must have your booking appointment at the hospital soon, yes?

Just a quick one because I have to tackle the North London ironing mountain, but I was out last night and of the 10 women there (excl me), 2 had used clomid to conceive, 1 had used IVF (and is currently on a second miracle pregnancy), 1 is post-ectopic and considering her options (getting very stressed). Of the remaining women, only 2 are married, one of whom has 2 (naturally and easily conceived children) and the other still feels too young for kids. Just made me think how hard this TTC business is - nearly half of us had had some issues (and that's just the ones I have heard about). Quite a strange revelation; you'd think I would have realised...

oh MOB it was amazing! Grown so much in the last few weeks, arms and legs waving away and it even turned away at one point. Perfect heartbeat and bang on for 10weeks+4days (the joy of IVF is that you know your dates exactly ). DH was gobsmacked - he only saw the pix of the 7 week scan as he had flu - and just couldn't get over all the movement. Definitely feels like we're going to have a baby now

In fact, been checking out ebay for the pram brands that we noticed all the Swedes using (Emmaljunga and Brio) . Early days I know but can't help myself

Give those boys of yours a big kiss from their cyber auntie caitni

How was the scan, Caitni?

Evening ladies

RFN2&3 huge congrats to you . What a lovely birth announcement - I got a bit teary . I can't wait to hear the names you choose and hope you're enjoying the precious first days with your LOs

MOB four weeks today . Time is flying! Glad to hear all is happy in the MOB household

MrsH hope today was better than y'day...I hate rubbish days like that. I think I'll be like you with the worrying, I'm still so anxious and am wondering if I'll ever enjoy pregnancy! Which I didn't expect after wanting it for so long . Still, at 29 weeks courgette is getting bigger and stronger by the day . Loved your scan pic on FB btw - officially the best scan pic I've seen as she looks so happy!

PnM big big higs for you . I think your reaction was totally normal, sad though that is. I'm very close to my younger sister, and she knew all the ins and outs of our ftc, and was gutted when she told me she was pregnant last December. I held it together on the phone (of course) and then just sobbed and sobbed for ages after I hung up...and felt so guilty because of course I was happy for them but I was also just so gutted for me and my DH and the general unfairness of life. Hope you're feeling a bit better now - thinking of you xx

Bucky roll on next week so you can move past the tedious tests stage. Wow at your £90 - that's bloody briliant! And at where you're from - I've never been but everyone I've ever met from there has the same reaction as you

Waves to everyone else . DH is just back from work so can finally get dinner off the stove and into our tums. Quite excited as this is the first meal I've cooked in weeks that hasn't physically repelled me - makes a change from crackers and cheese!

And roll on the scan tomorrow - I need to see that things are OK as i've been irrationally worried

RFN2&3 Well done!! Lovely news - so pleased to hear you are all safe and well, and that it all went so quick! Enjoy

MrsH Hope you are having a better day today?

PnM Don't beat yourself up - your reaction and feelings are entirely normal. I completely agree with what Bucky said - especially that the drive to have a baby can be overwhelmingly strong. Hopefully your sister will attempt to be more tactful in the future.

Bucky Roll on a more straightforward appt for you next week.

Have a nice weekend everyone

wow RFN2 you are some sort of baby producing genius! If my labour goes half as well with this one as yours just did I will be delighted! Congratulations - I'm glad the babies have arrived safely. Welcome to the world, little people.

Higs to everyone else.

Pnm hope you are off the ceiling and feeling better.

Good to see you again Okiwi

I am having a bit of a pants day which culminated in me dropping my cashcard and travel card as I got off the bus in the pouring rain. And I can't eat in the evenings anymore because my stomach feels like it is being pressed somewhere up into my throat. On the upside I am 29 weeks (I think) tomorrow and although I am still having nightmares about something being wrong with the courgette, every day that passes is a day closer to reacquainting myself with my toes!

i'm not from there sadly, but i lived sbout 10 miles away a few years ago.

Okiwi I originate from the down of the swine LOL but I don't live there now! I left when I was 18! Nice to see you back.

hello everyone, thanks for the welcome.
congratulstions 2&3 nice to hear some good news. P&M you're not a bad person, what you're feeling is totally understandable. sorry i don't know the backstory but it sounds like a very awkward situation.
bucky were you at the GWH by any chance? if so i used to live near you!

oh...oh...and guess where I am from!!! . I kid you not. Although I try not to advertise the fact if I can help it!! It begins with S and ends with don...LOL

Having said that part of my day was at a hospital, so I guess that could have had something to do with it

P.S. I saw over 20 pregnant woman today...is there something going on? Is it a conspiracy?

PicknMix I only just logged on and saw your post . You are not horrible . If you had been starved of food for two weeks and somebody started telling you about the fantastic steak they just ate, would you be a bitch for wanting to kill them for it??? I think not. Apart from hunger, wanting a baby is probably one of the strongest drives some women have. You are a human being, don't give yourself a hard time. I tried to ring you but I am not sure if the person I was ringing was you...does you number end with 481? Anyway, I just wanted to check you were ok and if you want to talk call me. [higs].

RFN2&3 Hope all went well and you are at recouperating well.

I did ok at the car boot sale. Its the second one I have ever had but I still can't get over the people who practically climb into your boot before you can get the stuff out. I mad £90 but as I was selling total tat, I think I did quite well. So am pleased with my haul. .

Went for my day 3 bloods AGAIN today. Geez this is SOOOO tedious. I am so fed up of ttc. My form filling appointment (Mark II) is next Wednesday, hopefully my organs will not have some other defect that prevents it once again!

Just wanted to let you know my birth announcement.

Went in to hospital yesterday at 09:00 as arranged, only to sit there until nearly 11:30. The midwife managed to break my waters and advised we went on a nice stroll to get things going. 14:30 nothing was moving so they put in the drip. Lots more waiting around and finally started getting contractions about 16:45 and they came thick and fast. 17:30 came with just us and the midwife in the room and I warned her it wasn't going to be long. 17:39 baby girl was here! Weighing 6 lb 1/2 oz. They quickly put the scanner on me to find that baby 2 was breech but they were happy for me to try and deliver naturally. 17:45 major gush of second waters (I think I soaked everyone in the room) and suddenly 2 feet popped out. 17:52 baby boy safely delivered weighing 7 lb 2 1/2 oz.

Both are feeding really well and we came home this afternoon. Looking forward to getting to know them and choosing some names.

Er, Picknmix, no you are not a horrible person. It's shitty and unfair for you, that's what it is. When my sister was pregnant (before we even started contemplating it) I was so pleased for her because it felt like the next best thing to having a baby myself, but I can see that if I had been having problems at that time the fact that she is my sister would make it all just too close to home. I hope you will forgive me for saying this but she doesn't sound like the most sensitive person in the world. Knowing what you've been through I would have thought offering to keep the baby talk to a minimum would be more appropriate...

GG I hope you're looking in occasionally and know that we are all thinking of you and hoping you are feeling ok.

RFN2 hopefully by now you have your babies and you are tucking into a giant post birth dinner!

Welcome to Lizbaz and Okiwi. The great thing about this thread is that we've all had different ishooes and experiences but there's lots of support to be had and none of us are leaving until we've all got our babies!

MOB wow- can't believe they are 4 weeks already. I bet they are starting to show their personalities and everything... <goes mushy>

Caitni I'm glad you had a lovely time in Swindin and that the pregnancy is going fine. Are you about 10 weeks now? The scan should be way more interesting than the earlier one!

Mibbles it's nice to see you again and to hear about Mini-Mibbles.

Ei at that doctor! I mean, "eat less, run more" is the best weightloss advice anyone ever gave me (I tend to mess up by eating healthy food but loads of it!), but it is hardly "starve yourself". You do sound on good form, though.

Bucky how was the boot sale?

Phew! Think that is everyone, but sorry if I missed anyone. I am feeling tres tired now and looking forward to the next 9 weeks passing quickly so I can stay home and relax with my bump. DD was really late so I tend to think I may as well work for as long as humanly possible (so I don't spend all of my savings by the time the baby comes) but I've been having lots of braxton hicks contractions and so am starting to wonder whether it might all be a bit earlier this time around!

Hope you're doing ok R4N2+3 and the littlies have arrived safe and sound?

Is there any one around who can talk me down off the ceiling? My sister told me this afternoon that she is pregnant.

The same sister who is currently having tests to ensure her tubes etc are all in order before she started ttc.

Said tests are only being carried out, ironically, due to the problems I'm having.

The same sister who only started actually trying to conceive THIS MONTH.



It was all I could do not to cry in front of her. In fact, I did such a good job of feigning indifference she insisted on telling me, in minute detail, how she found out, how she told her husband etc etc.

I'm a horrible person aren't I.

RFN2&3 WOW how exciting!!! Hope it's going well Can't wait to hear your news. All i can say is that life with twins goes really really quickly, so make sure to savour every precious moment

lizbaz & okiwi Welcome! This is a lovely thread and it's great to have some new people. I have found no end of support here through ttc & IVF.

GG Love to you as always. XX

07MTW & Mibbes lovely to see you both

MrsH So pleased to hear that the latest scan was fine. Nothing wrong with her being smaller - you don't want to give birth to a great big marrow Oh, and a from me as well at you only having 12 weeks to go!

Bucky So, hope you made loads at the boot fair. We did one a while ago and i found it quite addictive!

DG I've been enjoying your X-factor updates on FB and will of course be voting when the time comes!!

Caitni Looking forward to hearing about your scan on Saturday. I had one at 10 weeks (not through choice though) and there was definitely loads more to see than at 7 weeks. Enjoy!

EI Good luck with the new lifestyle!

PnM Lovely long post from you but no news from the PnM household! What are you up to?

Thing are going well here - the boys will be 4 weeks on Friday!! I can't believe it. They really are little angels (well, most of the time ) and are much more awake and alert now. I'm slowly getting back to normal, and trying to get out for lots of walks to build up my strength again. DH goes back to work on monday, which is going to take some getting used to, as it's been lovely to have him around.

EI Glad you ignored the doc and good luck with the diet, it may take a few different ones to find what suits you but you have already done the hardest bit by deciding to do it Hopefully you wont be able to stick to it for long anyway

PnM Glad you managed to get your post up eventually lol

Well I rang the hospital and they have put me off till 9am so cant really complain, I am just having breakfast before we set off just after 8am and I am nervous as hell!!
I may be away a few days but will try and update asap.
I do hope to come back to some good news though!!

Ok, am going to try again.....

Its lovely to welcome some new faces here

Before I get onto that - R4N2+3 best of luck tomorrow Can't wait to hear about it all. Hope you managed to get your childcare sorted?

Right....

Lizbaz come join me in the 'Unexplained' corner - I find it a really irratating diagnosis as you really can't do anything to sort it out!! I was put on Clomid by my consultant. I think they did it just to stop me moaning (I reckon I could rival anybody for the worst PCT). I've had one round of the Clomid so far (unsuccesful) totally unmonitored so no idea if it did its thing or not! I totally echo Bucky in saying "IVF is extreme but from what the ladies on here have experienced it would seem the most effective way to a dc if nature isn't going to do it". Not sure any amount of Clomid is really going to help me. Although I haven't really reconciled myself to IVF either.... Tis tough, isn't it?

Hi to Okiwi I'll get Lizbaz to budge up a bit so you can join us in the 'Unexplained' corner! Similarly, I've been ttc for 3 yrs as well. Have you got a date set for your next round of IVF?

Sounds like you had a lovely time in Sweden Caitni (luckily I 'previewed' my message cos the first time I wrote 'Swindon' which I'm sure has some lovely parts but is nowhere near as beautiful as where you've just been <<PnM looks around wildly to make sure no-one is Swindon based>>). And YAY for an early scan - hope you're going to post some pics?

That's v cute about the laughing courgette MrsH . And a huge relief that she is growing ok now. Only 12 weeks left? Seriously??

GG am, as ever, thinking of you <<higs>>

Well done Ei with the weight loss - definitely do it sensibly (ignoring all GP advice). My DH went food shopping the other night and has obviously decided We are now On A Diet. Everything is healthy eating this or low fat that!! Bit boring if you ask me but I do need to lose this spare tyre I'm carrying around!

How was the carboot Bucky?? Hope you thwarted the early birds by not allowing them to see in your carboot (scarred me for life, the ferocity of some carbooters - in yer boot before you could get the key out of the ignition!!) and made lots of dosh?

Finally a massive hello to all the oldies who have returned!

Pleased to hear E is doing well Mibbes - 8 months already? Blimey!

How is F doing MTW? Lovely to 'see' you !

DG - have been following your DSIS updates on FB, you must be v excited! And for the unofficial trying - how doubly exciting!!

Right - have officially written the most ridiculously long post, if you've got to the end of it, well done!!

No time to update on me (although, to be fair, there's not a lot to say!!)

xx

hi ladies
RFN2&3 wow!! induction tomorrow!! amazing!! buckets of luck for you and i decided to ignore the advice and go solo on the diet
welcome to our new ladies okiwi glad you have joined us everyone here is lovely and we all know the struggle well
it is CD5 for me today cycle 23 but good news is i have had a (relatively) normal AF for once and i am plodding on with my diet and i am hoping to be a healthier weight/skinny cow before long as RFN2&3 said before i had some dismal and truelly awful 'advice' from my GP when i went to see him to discuss my wish to gain better health ( he told me to starve myself as that is how he thinks i will lose weight as i must be beyond sensible advice) i can assure you all that i will DEFNITELY NOT be taking that snippet of advice despite some less than sypathetic MNers who told me i should follow it anywho... i am halfway through week 1 of my new lifestyle and it seems to be ok for me at the mo
i hope you are all doing well
GG if you are lurking i am thinking of you and i hope you are as well as can be expected {{{{{{higs}}}}}
xx ei xx

RFN2&3 wow - great news about the induction tomorrow . Getting to practically 37 weeks is fanastic with twins, and I bet you can't wait to meet them! I hope the induction goes smoothly and I can't wait to hear how it goes (though will fully expect you to be too busy with a 3 year old and newborn twins to get much time on MN ) xxxx

Mibbes hello! Glad to hear your little man is thriving and lucky you getting to meet Ei

Hi all x

GG still thinking of you (((hugs)))

MrsH Glad your little courgette is doing well and I hope the hospital take your concerns seriously x

Bucky hope the money making is going well

PnM How are things going for you this month? its a real bugger when you lose the big posts, never seems to happen on little posts either

Caitni Glad you enjoyed the wedding and its a great idea to have an extra scan- they are so reassuring in the early days

DG Wow how exciting! will certainly keep an eye out

Okiwi and Lizbaz welcome to the thread the ladies here are lovely and hopefully you will be getting those bfps soon

EI How are things with you? hope you havent had anymore stupid "advice" from that GP

waves to anyone I have missed x x

Well I am 36+5 today and I am being induced in the morning!! I have had enough and my consultant is happy for them to arrive now I have to ring at 7am to make sure they have a bed and then if they do I have to go in for 8am. I am really excited and nervous all at once lol

Hello ladies ! Apologies for such a long absence. I have read most of this thread and it is lovely to hear everybody's news. I was delighted to read about GG until last week when it all seems to have gone wrong - I am so, so sorry to hear that .

Bucky am glad to hear you are on the road to IVF and still as mad as a box of frogs

I met up with Ei a few weeks back - it was great to finally meet an MN lady. She was lovely as was her DD.

DS and I are getting on great, he is 8 months old now !! anyway he has just woken from nap so best go - I'll keep an eye on you ladies and pop back soon xx

Morning ladies

It's lovely to see some new ladies on here . This is a lovely and supportive thread, definitely my MN "home" too, and have been my lifeline in getting through ttc.

MrsH that scan sounds lovely - it must be amazing to see your baby so clearly. And I'm glad the consultant was good, but you should definitely use your slight nervousness to make sure that everyone is up to speed with your birth plans. Glad to hear that little courgette is small but perfectly formed - there's still plenty of time for her to grow after all!

Bucky hope you had a swell weekend lady. How did the car boot sale go? I am a massive fan of car boot sales...although I'm actually banned from going at the moment as our current tiny flat just has no more space for my love of bargains! Hope you made a tidy sum

LizBaz hello and welcome . Sorry to hear that you were a bit surprised at the doctor recommending IVF - I'm pregnant after my first round of IVF and we had to have it because of my husband's low count (we actually had ICSI, where they inject a single sperm into the egg, rather than IVF, as where there's any issue with the sperm clinics won't risk regular IVF) and I still remember the shock and anger (and grief) when I had to come terms with the fact that nature needed a major helping hand in our case. I didn't want to "waste" time with IUI, as the success rates are so low compared to IVF especially with male factor issues and the biggest indicator of success with IVF is maternal age. Three rounds of IUI still wouldn't give us a cumulative success rate as high as one round of IVF/ICSI with the clinic we chose so going straight to IVF seemed like a much better plan for us (but as we went private we had this choice...had I been on the NHS I may well have had to have IUI as a first step before IVF). Clomid has most success with women with ovulatory problems like PCOS and clear tubes, but it could be something to consider while you're waiting for your IVF go (or goes...your PCT sounds as good as Bucky's with regard to funding cycles!).

Okiwi hello and welcome to you too . I'm so sorry to hear that the first round of IVF didn't work...but I'm glad you're planning another go. I also post on the assisted conception thread, where the ladies are a fount of knowledge for all things IVF related, and it seems really common for IVF to take up to three cycles to work. I'm not sure where you're based, but it may be cheaper to travel abroad for IVF (Norway, surprisingly for such an expensive country, is actually very reasonable for IVF and a lady on the assisted conception thread called LondonLottie went there for her first round). Anyway, it's great to "meet" you and this thread is a great support for the ups and downs of ttc

RFN2&3 hope you're taking these last weeks easy...can't remember quite when you're due but it's August isn't it? Not long now til you meet your twins - so exciting!

GG thinking about you and hoping things are OK with you and MrGG xx

O7MTW great to hear that your little girl is growing up . Can't believe it's been 10 months already!

DigiGirl wow at your sister! She must be thrilled! I've never actually watched X factor but I may just have to check it out this year

PnM gah at the laptop issues - I got a new laptop recently and I don't like typing on it yet so am doing all my MNing at work (tricky in a comedy open plan office!).

Ei hope you're doing well lovely lady

I'm just back from a lovely weekend in Sweden - we went to a friend's wedding on an island off Gothenburg...it was so beautiful and a really relaxing break. For my first ever sober wedding it was great! Quite a few of my friends figured it out and were utterly delighted (a few of them are parents themselves so had lots of lovely tips to share ). But we decided to book another scan for Saturday - my NHS scan isn't for another 3 weeks, which just feels so far away, especially now that so many people know...I'll be 10 and a half weeks by Sat so we should get to see a lot more than the 7 week scan .

Anyway, time to actually go and do some work (well, maybe go and get a hot chocolate and then do some work )

Gah!!

I just wrote a ma-hoosive post and its disappeared! And then my laptop died so now I'm on my mobile which also has no battery...

All I really wanted to do was say hi to the new people here!

I'll be back later with battery xx

it's nice to find a group who understand how i feel about ttc. we've been ttc over 3 years and have done most if not all of the tests and it seems there's nothing wrong, so it's unexplained infertility. One failed round of IVF and we're saving the cash for another round in the near future (hopefully) how about the rest of you?

LOL, of course Okiwi although I should say we are not THAT depressing hee hee..., we've just been here a long time! How long have you been trying?

hi ladies - can i join you too? ei sent me your way from a thread i started about being fed up of ttc.

Hi lizbaz welcome to the thread!

Just thought I'd drop in and spread the word. DSis has gone amazingly far in this year's X Factor, final 24 acts out of 200,000 who auditioned. So you're all gonna have to watch it and vote for her band FRANK.

LizBaz you can never give too much TMI on this thread LOL . I'm in Herts and we get three goes too, so fingers crossed we both get a good result.

Stick around. Its nice to have someone new around. This thread has been going in one form or another for literally years and most of us have met in RL too now. I think we must be quite intimidating to those who lurk because nobody new ever joins us any more.

If not, the best of luck to you and let us know when you get that BFP so we can congratulate you.

Bucky xx

Thanks very much, BuckyandCocktails - I think because a couple of people I know conceived immediately once they were on Clomid I just want the same for myself, but you're right that it probably wouldn't do much for me in my situation (which is also yours). Am going to have some tests at a GUM clinic as one or two things make me suspect persistent bacterial infection (sorry if this is TMI!) but if that's not a problem then I should just get myself on a waiting list for IVF. I'm in Cambridgeshire, and am super-lucky as apparently they've just changed things so I could be eligible for up to 3 free courses, and will certainly get one. So I shouldn't be complaining at all, or certainly not on that score.

ooh oh and hello O7MTW so great to hear from you and to hear that Freya is growing up to be such a big girl already! .

Come back again soon. xx

Wow, well with a drop in from SarahNH, DG and [trumpet sounds] 07MTW I couldn't keep my trap shut...and A NEW PERSON!!!!!! [grin}.

LizBaz Welcome welcome and even more welcomes because you sound the same as me...37, TTC for over 3 years with 'unexplained infertility'. What area are you in, geographically? What you are offered seems to depend on your Dr and PCT. To be honest, they gave me Clomid but generally it is for people who have ovulation issues. Some Drs will give it to women who ovulate regularly but it doesn't really do anything except perhaps make the quality of the eggs produced better. That said, they could try it with you, wouldn't hurt. I had a lap and dye, and HSG and Day 3 and Day 21 bloods and they did give me clomid, which didn't work (for the reasons given above I suspect) and now they are referring me for IVF. I would say that if there is no reason that they can see that you have not got a BFP yet after all this time there is not really much else for them to do it seems. The Lap and Dye might help them see any issues external to the womb, so that could be more exploratory, but treatment wise, there doesn't seem to be much they can do if they can't find anything 'wrong' IYKWIM. So, in summary, yes IVF is extreme but from what the ladies on here have experienced it would seem the most effective way to a dc if nature isn't going to do it. IUI, isn't that just where they check you have ovulated and then put the sperm in? Well my doctor said that as I had been using OPKs I obviously was aware of my ovulation times so doing effectively the same thing as having sex wouldn't really help...

GG had had her blood test again last time we spoke and I imagine she was due to go back for another to see if her levels had dropped. I hope she won't mind me saying but the results of the bloods after the 'event' were in the 800s so the levels had not doubled since the 600ish test she had had on the Monday. I haven't spoken to her since though. I didn't want to stalk her because I know from experience you need a bit of space with the emotional ups and downs that accompany the not knowing whats going on.

MrsH Courgette is too cute. Laughing indeed. I saw the pic on your FB page...bless. I'm glad all is going well and you sound like you have the medical staff under control. Good for you.

Well enough ramblings from me. Gotta go finish stocking up the car for my car boot sale tomorrow. [Bucky waves to all the other ladies she had not shouted out, and leaves the room]. x

Hi, I'm new on here. TTC for about four years (I'm 37). We're in the 'inexplicable' category as everything seems ok, although dh's count a little low. Had HSG test, but fertility doc said that if nothing happened in the next three months (we're about a month and a half in) then I should try IVF. Even though it appears I am ovulating, shouldn't I try Clomid first, or perhaps IUI? Seems a bit drastic to go straight to IVF without the option of anything else first. If anyone has any thoughts, I'd be glad to hear them. Otherwise just nice to read the posts and feel others are out there too - thanks!

Hi ladies

MTW I remember you too - how nice to see you and it's good to hear how Freya is doing.

GG I hope you and MrGG are ok. I was rather hoping that it was just another bleed but I suspect that you've been so quiet because it wasn't. Anyway, lots of ((((higs)))) for you, and if you need to rant we're here.

PnM I lmao at "shagging with intent". And my poor DH, he would be sloping off knackered for an early night and I would be all "don't you DARE go to sleep" <snarl>. I think he looks forward to pregnancy as the chance for a break...

Caitni how are you feeling? Is it getting more real these days?

Ei How are you? I was rather hoping that this was going to be your month... any news in that area??

Bucky what's the new car? Are the dogs behaving themselves now?

RFN2 I hope the childcare issues get sorted. Do they need to get the babies out so early or would it help the logistics if they waited a bit (i.e. could someone other than your mum help you out)?

Not a huge amount going on here. I had a meeting with my consultant who seems sensible and appeared to understand my point of view. But am still a bit nervy about the hospital since I rather doubt that she will be there when I go in and even if she is it will be some awful registrar (hopefully not the one I saw last time!!) who actually "looks after" me. Oh well, I still have 12 weeks to get everyone briefed! And this morning I had another scan. I have never had one this late before and it was amazing - courgette was sticking her tongue out and everything. I have a hilarious photo of her looking like she is laughing which I will try to put up on my profile later (am luddite so it might not work...). and while she is still on the small side she is now within normal limits which is fine - DD was not huge either and she is utterly normal.

Anyway, back later, hope everyone is having a restful weekend

hey MTW i remember you it is indeed me glad to hear little freya is doing well lovely to 'see' you
xx ei xx

Hello all remember me?

After months of not being on Mumsnet (Freya is 10 months nx wk (DD1 now 4) and I'm just getting some me time!!) I thought I would try and find a few old faces and see how things are going and to my complete surprise the old thread is still going!

I've briefly caught up and found it is the usual highs and lows with everyone supporting each other all the way.

Firstly GG I read happy news and then the devestating possibility of MC. I sincerely hope it is just a scare and wish you and DH all the very best for a happy outcome.

Congratulations to Catni and it's been that long MOB you've got twins?

Bucky Life still seems crazy for you and those dogs are keeping you on our toes!

DG Unofficial TTC Fingers crossed.

ButterflEI Is that you Ei ? I remember you used to change your name but always kept the Ei!

Picknmix SWI is a new one but very apt! Sorry you've been poorly hope the enthusiasm returns

R4N2&3 Congratulations! I'm assuming you are expecting twins? Not long now! Hope you get childcare sorted before labour.

Many congrats Mrshappy when are you due?

Sarahnh Hi! Hope Tess has a fab first birthday!

It's so nice to catch up with you all it takes me back as you were all so very kind to me. I was lucky enough to graduate but I alway felt this was the most comforting and friendly thread, it feels like my mumsnet home!

just a quick one from me to say GG hope you are ok {{{{{{higs}}}}}}}
xx ei xx

GG if your lurking just wanted to say that am still thinking of you and hope you and your dp are ok x

Not sure you will be but just in case you're checking the thread at all GG, you and MrGG are still in my thoughts x

Bucky, sorry forgot to say hope you're ok in my last post. I think I know how you're feeling, I think I might be at that point as well - minus the new car! Big <<higs>>

Oh crap. GG I'm so sorry and I hope that it turns out to be "just" a bleed and not an MC. If there's anything I can do let me know.

Bucky sorry to hear you are feeling low too.

what awful, awful news GG . Life is shit sometimes (pardon my french).

Oh GG You and DH are very much in my thoughts. XXX

Bucky Thanks for letting us know. I'm sorry to hear you are feeling low. XXX

oh bloody hell GG thinking of you hope the bean has held on and it is just remnants of the last bleed xxxx

xx ei xx

Oh shit, GG I'm so sorry to hear this . Am thinking of you xx

Oh god, how terrible . Poor GG.

thinking of you GG x

oh no, poor gg

Dear All

I come bearing potentially bad news ...GG had a super bad night and thinks she may have MC properly this time. She asked me to tell you as she is pretty broken up about it obviously. .

I'm just popping in. Big shout out to you all and thank you for all you comments. I'm kind of sulking as I am truly fed up with ttc, so was planning on avoiding MN for a while but really felt for GG and didn't want her to feel she had to come with the bad news herself if she is not up to it.

New car is cool. Pups are still mental. Job still a nightmare and yes PicknMix I am on that bench with you poppet, all the way. xx

Woooooooohooooooo! GG that is the most fabulous news I've heard in a long time!!!! I'm so very very pleased for you and your DH, I hope after the initial scare that Baby G behaves itself from now on. I remember giving Alfredo his first telling off for scaring his poor mummy after the seven week scan following that early bleed.

ei good luck, your dreams have always been spookily accurate!

caitni can't believe you're 9 weeks already. Can't believe you and gg get to hang out in the same ante-natal thread!

Big waves to all.

Ds is sleeping amazingly well now, which has sort of led to a bit of unofficial ttc . I say unofficial as I'm not going to pay much attention to CDs or chart temps or anything that involves officially recognising that a baby may be created because we're having unprotected sex. Also as I'm still breastfeeding there's a good chance that I'm not ovulating anyway, so keeping a very very relaxed attitude for the moment.

Morning all,

Not long to wait now R4N2+3! Sorry to hear about your mums op and the consequent childcare issues, I hope something turns up (any nice neighbours you can ask?).

GG you can stay on the bench for the duration if you want although you have to promise to budge up a bit and not take up all the room with your expanding bump . Seriously, it must be very difficult to get your head round at the moment - hope the metal mouth is helping to make it more real.

I'm not on clomid this month (one month on, one month off) but the hot flushes still continue and the effort has all but run out. Sex for sex sake is fab but 3 years of sex for ttc sake is seriously taking its toll... Need a kick up the bum really. Would put money on an early ov this month as have been too ill to even think about any bedroom athletics. Read on another thread about calling it 'shagging with intent' (SWI) rather than the twee 'baby dancing' - much prefer it!! Oh, and France isn't until Sept but am really looking forward to it - the house is old but beautiful and there's a group of about 6 of us going which should be lovely

Best do some work....

GG OMG that is amazing news I saw that you were bleeding last week but didnt know what to say I am so pleased for that everything has turned out fine x When do you have your first scan?

Caitni Cant believe how quickly things are going already not long till you see that lovely bean again x

EI Have you tested yet? From what I remember when you dream a bfp for someone its usually right so Im hoping this is your month

MOB How are those 2 little boys? Cant wait to see the pics but agree that there is no rush as you must have your hands full Talking of which have you got any tips for me as its getting scarily close for me now lol

PnM Hope the piggy flu is gone and you are feeling better x

MrsHappy What a nightmare journey Hope you are feeling better now that you can eat more than just bread (wink)

Bucky How is the holiday fund coming along? I make DP sell all my stuff because listing on ebay seems too much like hard work to me lol

Waves to DG and JB and anyone else that I have missed x

Well I am 35+5 today and seeing the consultant on thursday, she is going to give me an internal and see how things are doing and may give me a date for induction at 37 weeks if things are looking favourable
I had to spend 2 nights in hospital last week as I started to bleed- nothing too major but they wanted to monitor me, everything seems fine and nothing since. The twins gave the midwives a hard time and refused to stay still everytime they put me on the ctg (probably a sign of things to come lol)
The only problem that I have is that my Mum is having an op on her knee on the 3rd aug and will be laid up for at least 6 weeks which means I have no reliable childcare for when I am in labour Hopefully we can work something out or 3 yr old ds may get an early lesson on childbirth lol

GG I can't believe it!!!! That's wonderful, wonderful news!!!!! Lots of love to you & DH. XXXXX

GG am still just so happy for you and your DH . You must be five weeks today (I'm exactly 4 weeks ahead of you!). Glad the symptoms are starting...though my first few weeks were pretty symptom free bar bone-crushing tiredness and constipation (TMI ). I spent ages wishing for MS - which is mad I know but I just needed something to make it feel "real". But once I saw the little bean at the 7 week scan I was happy to have avoided MS (I get waves of nausea in the evening now, started around 7.5 weeks, but nothing that carbs can't fix!).

Ei am hoping for good news from you too today chica

Bucky new car - vroom vroom! Cool! And hope the sale of the century went well.

Waves to everyone else

GG just wanted to say a massive cogratulations on your wonderful news!!! so so pleased for you...

i have been checking up on you and dear Bucky and everyone else ever since i left this lovely thread in Dec 07!!!

My little girl Tess is 1 next month!!!

Anyway, just to say thinking of you and hope it goes so so well xxxx

Morning all!

picknmix - if you don't mind, can I join you and Bucky on the bench? I can't quite believe what happened yesterday and I don't want to leave the thread (actually I will never leave the thread, if you'll have me ). Are you using Clomid this month and are you having any side effects? When are you off to your house in France? It sounds amazing!

Bucky - we have spoken, but how is you new car? Are you roaring around the countryside? You have to come and update us about the monet raising schemes so you can go on holiday. Tell your DP, you'll eBay one of his bikes if he doesn't lend you the money

ei - you are so funny! LOL at being called a chicken Any sign of your AF and have you tested yet? I remember you saying before you are quite psychic, so I want to know all about the Mystic Ei predictions. I have fingers and everything crossed for you. Do you have any symptoms?

MOB - big wave to you. Don't wave back or you'll drop one of the DTs I am dying to hear all about them and see the photos, but totally appreciate you have your hands full. How are you coping with balancing two of them to feed?

MrsH - nightmare journey back from seeing your in laws! I was wondering how you would cope with German food in pregnancy. When DH was living out there, I was either drunk and farting (sorry TMI ) due to the dark Alt beer they served everywhere in Dusseldorf or looking like to Pilsbury Dough Boy I was so bloated. Is that your last trip to see the IL's before the Courgette is born and are they going to be galloping over the day after the birth? Sorry, but I have forgotten your due date! Also thank you for the tip about UCH EPAU. It's very handy for us, although St Mary's Paddington is at the end of the road, so I would probably have gone there if you hadn't said.

jolly - how is jollycub? Did you and cubsie enjoy your holiday? Are you working again or going back to work?

caitni - is your DH back at work after his swine flu episode? Hope he is right as rain now. I am in shock that I am eligable to join the March thread, although may lurk for a while. I haven't come to terms with this yet Do you have any more symptoms?

hello to Digital if you are looking in and to readyfor2and3

Ha, now I have a confirmed positive test I am beginning to notice vague symptoms. It's funny, because I think that as soon as your mind accepts/knows about a BFP, you body does too. I can confirm about the metallic taste being a symptom, because I woke up with it this morning. <bleughhhhhh emoticon> It's like I've been sucking on rusty screws all night!

DH is stunned that it's a BFP too, although to be fair, he's a natural optimist and more positive than me. We still can't believe anything survived that bleeding - it was worse than any period I've had, the only difference being that it stopped quite suddenly rather than tailing off with brown blood (sorry, more TMI). The force is strong in this one!

Now I need to find a job - and quickly!

Wasn't joking about a meet up in a few months, if we can fine a date that suits and people are up for it?

Thank you again for keeping me (almost) sane through the last few weeks. You are all stars!

GGx

OH MY BABY CHICKEN!!! GG excellent news i am so very made up for you!! i am willing to bet you and your DH are super over the moon!!!
i am stil grinning at the news
xx ei xx

Hello everyone

GG I am soooooooooooo happy for you . That's incredible news - its just fantastic, you must still be in shock! It sounds like things are progressing in the right direction YAY!

Ei I had the same dream the other day!! I got a really dark bfp in my dream and was totally shocked by it - had that awful few seconds where I woke up and thought it was true and then came round properly and realised it was a dream! Will be keeping my fingers crossed for you - let us know if you decide to test tomorrow!!

Sounds a bit of a nightmare weekend for you MrsH, pleased that courgette is still wriggling around despite the carb overload . Poor old DD having to schlep across town at the end of a long journey - hope you're all recovered now.

How did you get to 9wks already Caitni?? I'm sure its not the case for you, but that last 4 weeks seems to have raced by!! Do you think you'll cave and book a private scan or keep holding on for the NHS one?

How was the holiday JB? Did you and the cub have a fab time? Hope the weather was good for you wherever you were

Hey Bucky - come keep me warm on the bench over here, its getting kinda lonely now . I promise not to sneeze on you!

No need to apologise for a short post MOB, I'm sure your hands are just a little tied up at the moment! Be great to see some pics when you get a spare minute ()

Hi to anyone I've missed!

No news from me, Tamiflu kicked in now so feeling much better.

xx

GG OMG Congratulations!!! I'm so happy for you . I danced around my living room when I read your post! That HCG sounds pretty fantastic to me.

I cannot tell you how happy I am to have you as a March 09 buddy...with me due on the 2nd and you on the 30th tis a great month for babies

MrsH sorry to hear about the travel delays - what a palaver! - and also sorry that you didn't get to enjoy any proper German food (what do pregnant women do there I wonder? The few times I've been to Germany all I've had is cured meat, cheese, bread...and beer ). Can't wait to hear how the scan goes on Saturday - is this an NHS one or a private one you've booked? I'm trying to hang on until my NHS scan but it's 4 long weeks away and not sure I'll manage it...I imagine that when I'm at your stage I'll be wanting scans all the time

JB hope jollycub is doing well (and am waiting for a message for you along the lines of x8ycieohv and then we'll know Jollycub is flexing her typing fingers

Ei am hoping some of GG's amazing luck rubs off on you lady - fingers firmly crossed chez caitni

MOB will be glad to see photos when you've got the time (though I imagine MN is the last thing on your mind!)

Waves to everyone else

I am still grinning from ear to ear about GG's news

Oh my God, this is amazing. We seem to have sped up our BFP rate at last!

GG 600-ish sounds pretty good. You had 70-odd on Wednesday, so it sounds like your HCG has about doubled every 48 hours which is totally and utterly NORMAL. Whoop!! . My rates when I had the ectopics were often at the lower end of normal (so they didn't do the odd things that most people's do) but statistically speaking your pregnancy is almost certainly in the right place. And if in doubt, get yourself along to the UCH EPAU where they manage to spot my pregnancies (either in the right place or not) when noone else would come off the fecking fence!

Ei I really hope that dream comes true for you. Sobbing is definitely a symptom.

PnM I hope you are feeling better now.

MOB I'm looking forward to seeing some pictures (but only when you have time, of course... the thought of one new baby in this madhouse is enough, coping with two would be tres daunting for me!)

Caitni is it 9 weeks already? That's brilliant - soon you'll be able to tell everyone your fab news (or have you done that already?)

Waves to Bucky and Jollybear and anyone I've forgotten.

I've just had the (travel) weekend from hell. I went to see the in-laws on Friday, but there were thunderstorms so our plane took off 3 hours late (including 1.5 hours sat on the runway... nice).Every meal bar one consisted of bread, unpasturised or mould-ripened cheese and cured meat. Food I normally love but cannot touch right now, so all I ate was bread and now I feel utterly bloated. Like a weeble. And on the way back DH locked his keys in the boot of the car and I ended up schlepping an inappropriately dressed (cold) DD back home on the Heathrow Express (our bags were in the boot...) while he faffed around with the AA man. So that was Sunday wasted. Oh well, am back to work now which at least means I don't have to travel much!

Courgette is being very wriggly. I have a scan on Saturday so hopefully she will be completely normal-sized by now! I really cannot wait to meet her.

God, i am too excitable today (someone slap me!) How could I forget to ask about you, ei ?!!?? Madness! Thank you so much for being a fab supprt too. How are you m'dear? Any sign of AF? I thought you were super-psychic, so maybe the dream is telling you something? I hope so!

posted too soon.

I meant to add

mrsH - how is the courgette and are you feeling ok?

caitni - are you getting any more symptoms? They told me that put me as due on 30th March, so i sort of scrape in, all being well, to your gang

Sorry not to post before now. I have been waiting until I had somehting to say. I didn't want to waste your time writing about me gnawing my fingers to the bone and getting teary, before I had something concrete to post.

Well, it looks like I will be joining Caitni on the "Due in March 2010" thread.

I am in total, utter, complete, shock I don't think I'm even feeling happy yet. I am too stunned! I feel, sort of, astonished. It's not real. No symptoms to speak of unless you count crying at the sad adverts for sponsoring children in Africa, but they get me most weeks.

Apparently, I have an HCG of...erm...663 .

MrsH - I think that's quite a good HCG? I was looking back through some of your old posts when you had a chemical and ectopic to check how quickly levels go down and you are the guru on HCG . They gave me an official Ectopic Warning, just in case. He said they are not overly concerned, but it was a consideration and they want me to go to them immediately (or to A&E, if out of hours) if anything begins to hurt or bleed again. They want me for a scan next week to check everything

Soooo, it looks like I have an official BFP (and I'll be seeking membership of Knicker Checkers Anonymous to get me through the rollercoaster of the next few months). The doctor said "We were quite shocked at your results after what you told us". Not as shocked as me, mate! I had two glasses of wine on Friday night and a slab of rocqfort

picknmix - I hope you are feeling better now and the tamiflu has worked its magic? Are you still off work? Thanks for keeping me sane last week. The builders are still here, but this time I had good news didn't have to chuck them out in tot he street so I could have another good snivvel!

MOB - don't worry about the short post - we know you have your hands full with your two little ones. How are they both doing? Are they feeding well and sleeping lots? I absolutely can't wait to see the photos of them! Have you been getting any sleep at all and do your DCs and DH help out lots?

Big wave to jolly bucky and all you other lovely ladies.

Sorry, I've been very me me me recently, but I honestly don't think i could have got through all this without you. Nearer Christmas I feel like throwing a big WIMBEWAIF party for everyone to say thank you

Can't catch up properly as a have a jollycub on my knee who is very keen to type...

GG I felt so very emotional reading your posts, big lump in my throat. I hope the hospital appointment wasn't too awful.

Will do a proper catch up later....

GG Just wanted to say i'm thinking about you and your hospital appt today. XX

EI I SO hope this is the month for you!

PnM Sorry to hear you have the dreaded swine flu. Hope you're feeling better now.

Lots of love to the rest of you - sorry it's a fleeting message - will have a proper chat and catch up when i have time Oh, and i promise to sort some photos soon.

Ei I'll be keeping my fingers crossed that your AF is a no show this month (very promising about both the dream and the hormonal crying!) xxx

hi ladies

just a quickie to wish GG luck at the hospital today fingers crossed for you
well AF is due today for me... no sign yet but i had a dream last nite that i did a test and it was +ve so well see i am really shattered and feel like crying an awful lot recently (i SOBBED my little heart out reading harry potter book number 7!! i feel really emotional about the book and well up every time i think about it how sad am i?!!)
ahh well time will tell wont it!!

love to you all

xx ei xx

Morning ladies

GG am thinking of you today - hope you get on OK at the hospital xx

MrsH hope you're having a nice time at the in-laws

PnM sorry to hear that you were struck down by the swine flu but glad the tamiflu's kicked in and you feel a bit better. Hope you're still taking it easy though, as it takes time and rest to recover!

MOB hope your two boys are thriving

Waves to Bucky and JB and everyone.

Not much going on with me except for being totally bloody knackered today...had a bit of a late night last night as out with friends (I even had a G&T and it tasted delish!). Nearly 9 weeks...so the weeks are (slowly) passing. Have been getting waves of nausea in the evening but nothing that carby snacks can't fix.

Evening ladies

Just thought I'd poke my head round the door to see how you're all doing.

My snot got worse but have now jumped on the Tamiflu band wagon and feel a lot better.

How are you doing GG? Hope DH has been around this weekend?

How was your day/night without DD or DH MrsH?? Did you find lots to keep you amused? Bet you kept CBeebies on in the background to keep you company didn't you?!

Hope everyone else is doing ok?

I'm off to bed now

xx

Hi all
I hope everyone is well (or in Picknmix's case, recovering)

GG go easy on yourself. The redundancy thing was not personal (or at least that is what you must tell yourself) and what you're going through now is just unbelieveably shit. I know it is hard... on one of my more self-pitying days I did moan to someone "I've lost 3 babies and a job in a year" moan moan. Now I was just feeling sorry for myself but you are right in the middle of all that nasty hormonal business, so give yourself a break, wallow if you need to and drink a lot of alcohol if you think that will help! It will get better, it will, it will. Oh, and if you are at a loose end did you see on RollonFriday an article about unemployed lawyers doing pro bono work? A load of firms are guaranteeing interviews to people who sign up when they start hiring again. Might be worth a look...

I have an odd tomorrow coming - DD and DH are off to visit the PILs, and I am not going to join them until Friday. It's a bit strange all round - the first "night off" from being a parent I have had in an age. Not sure what I'll do with myself... (pathetic, non?)

hi ladies
just a quickie...
GG oh sweetheart im so sorry what a shite thing to be happening again i hope monday brings good news but if not we are here as you know xx {{{{{higs}}}}}
PnM sorry AF got you
i am CD 26 today so nearly ready for test/af time not looking forward to it as i cant be bothered with the disappointment again but hey ho...
love to all xx
xx ei xx

p.s. you don't buy tat on eBay! You bought that goegous spotty dress for a wedding that I've been coveting ever since you posted the link!

Get well soon whatever it is. 100 sounds like quite a high temp. Make sure your DH fetches you everything you need when he gets in

He, he, he at Bucky and me baby clothes shopping without babies . I wonder if baby shops have to keep an eye out for crazy phantom pregnancy women like me rifling through their stock and snivveling into their babygros!? DH said he'd do it, thank goodness, so I'm expecting a call from him any minute as he descibes baby clothes down the phone to me to make sure he has chosen the correct thing.

They said Monday for the blood test to make sure the HCG has plummetted. The last time I went for a Tuesday blood test and they wanted me to wait until the following Monday for the follow up test, but I insisted on Friday because I was going away for the weekend and couldn't bear not knowing. This time, I'm too resigned to it being over to push for Friday. I don't feel the same sense of anticipation or worry - just utter dejection and a wish that the bleeding would hurry up and go away so I can get on with my life.

I'm pretty sure its not pig flu, although its not nice whatever it is. Can't really go to the Dr's about it though as they hurry you out if you so much as sniff in there at the moment! I still have a temperature (bout 100) which have now had for 3 days - feeling bit better today though so hopefully its on its way out.

Get DH to do the gift shopping - definitely the last thing you want to be doing I imagine. Or aren't you meeting Bucky tomorrow? Maybe you could both go together, after you've had a bit of a liquid lunch, numb the pain a bit?

Why do you have to wait until Monday for another blood test? I seem to remember this is what they did last time - your bloods should be tested every 48 hours to note a significant change, you shouldn't have to wait practically a week to get an answer

That's a bit crap about the job ops. Maybe this is the time to look into a whole new career . Not sure I'd fancy Abu Dhabi either - my dad now lives in Kuwait and asked if I wanted to visit him.... I haven't decided if I do want to yet!

Oh, and good memory about the dog tunnels - I sell quite a lot on ebay (also buy far too much tat as well). Much has gone to freecycle as well, just clear a bit of space!

Bucky - judges get to wear the long wigs. Not sure about them though...

caitni - I'm still bleeding, but lot less than before thank goodness. I have spent all morning googling early miscarriage and chemical pregnancies, but I am pretty convinced it is over although Monday's blood test will confirm.

Hello to everyone else.

picknmix - How are you feeling now, petal? Are you sure it isn't swine flu, you've got?! I have found very few jobs. Depressing really, but unless I want to work in Abu Dhabi (which I don't and DH won't move from London) there are very few jobs for City lawyers, nevermind exciting opportunities! And I thought you were Mrs eBay Expert - didn't you have a great run of seeling things last year such as dog tunnels

Bucky - I could start flogging my stuff on eBay (well, DH's stuff really Mine is far too nice to sell). My sister has done well in the past as a seller and has great feedback, so I might see if she'll do it for me for a cut of the profits?

I now have to go and buy my best friend a baby present. She had a little boy at the weekend and I am dreading going into baby Gap or wherever <<shudder at the thought of baby clothes>>. I could end up like one of those crazy women who sob into prams and kidnap newborns from maternity units. I might see if DH will do it for me in his lunch hour, if I give him some pointers; like don't buy a dress!

I wouldn't say my stuff was glam LOL. CDs, Books, a 15 year old TV, an old sofa etc etc...Not even sure how to sell it. I have never had any success on eBay, apparently my stuff is too crap for anyone to want to buy .

GG I would LOVE to be a judge . Is it judges or barristers who get to wear the big wig thing...

GG sorry to hear that the bleeding hasn't stopped . Glad your DH made it home though.

Morning,

A judge eh GG?? Have you found many jobs to apply for? Really pleased to hear DH made it home last night, has he had to go back up there again this morning? Have the builders returned today?

I'm selling a lot of stuff as well Bucky - wanna go into business although I'm guessing your stuff is a bit more glam than mine. We suddenly realised we have 3 (yep, three) cookers sat in our barn, along with 3 dining tables and a tumble dryer we never use, a buggy bought for neices, nephews and godkids and various other bits of junk. Although DH has done that age old trick of finding things that he couldn't possibly sell even though he hasn't used them for years....

Where you off to in Sept? I'm going away with a group of friends to a villa near Toulon in France (went a few years ago, beautiful place) tres cheap as well as villa is free (belongs to friends family) and flights only £20!!!! Bargain!

I still have no voice, hence why writing so much - you guys are my only conversation at the moment

bucky - I think that KY Jelly is more likely to sell on Hampstead Heath than pre-seed, but it's a good idea!

Are you eBay-ing all your stuff to make enough money to go on holiday?

Funnily enough, I am job hunting today. There is not much out there, but I am considering applying to be a judge I think it will suit my bossy nature..

hello to everyone else.

GGx

GG . I am in the process of devising a hair brain plan to earn a few thousand extra pounds in a month so I can go on my girl's week away in September. Let't think of a plan.....maybe we could sell Preseed on Hampstead Heath or start a hotline .

Hey if they can do it on the apprentice, I can bleedin do it....Any ideas anyone?

p.s. DH came home . I was so pleased to see him.

hi there and sorry for not remembering my manners and asking how you all are. Any news? Please come and distract me with happy news

The bright red bleeding hasn't stopped and I have been having agonising cramps, clots, the works throught the night. It's such a violent reaction. My body is trying very hard to get rid of my beans - I feel like I am being scoured from the inside. My HCG test from the hospital was 72, so clearly +ve. I have to go back on Monday for another blood test to confirm the HCG is going down. I am convinced is no WAY it could go up after all this, so looks like it's all over. Again . I am redundant with no job and unable to conceive after two rounds of IVF. Doesn't do wonders for your self confidence, really.

GG We have spoken. Sending lots and lots of hugs your way. xx

GG I'm so sorry you're going through this again . It's so unfair. I hope your DH managed to get home to you.

Oh GG it is so crappy that you think the same is happening again. Why the hell can't it just be straightforward for once? God knows you deserve it to be.

I hope the bleeding has stopped. I also hope your DH comes home and takes good care of you.

If there is anything I can do to cheer you up, just say.

GG how are you? Hope the bleeding has stopped and that your DH will be home soon. Thinking of you xxx

MOB Caitni - thanks for the kind words, I am really trying not to lose hope, but i can't see it being anything other than bad news for me and the bean(s). The bleeding is like last time - heavy now with clots and cramping and is bright red . I dug out the remains of that bumper pack of bloomin' Tena Lady incontinence pads that DH mistakenly bought for me last time this happened. I had superstitiously not bought any sanitary pads and now I can't face going out the flat to get any.

picknmix - you are right. Half a days wages for the absent plumbers feels like nothing compared to gaining peace and quiet (even if I am unemployed!). I'm just so pleased to be able to cry in peace. I might even clear the dust and paint and grouting out of the bath and have a long soak.

Thanks for responding all day to my misery and for being there for me, ladies. I've never been more upset and you are all so brilliant.

Yes - just to add - What caitni says is absolutely right - the bleeding does not automatically mean everything is over (meant to add that to my last post and posted too soon).

GG am glad the builders have gone and that your DH is trying to get back. As PnM says a half day's work is a small price to pay for you having the space you need. Your DH needs to get back from Derby - this a "family emergency" - as you need to just put your feet up, with a hot water bottle/heat pad if you have one, and you need your DH with you for the love and support you need. Am really rooting for this little bean to stick. Am sure you're sick of googling but so many women have bleeding in early pregnancy and go on to have healthy babies. Here's to you being one of them.

PS Cannot believe the doctor at the hospital was so utterly insensitive

Oh GG I cannot believe this is happening again. I'm glad you've kicked the builder out & i hope DH will see that you need him at home.

It's utter crap and i know i cannot say anything to make things better. Surely the hospital will see a pattern developing here now?? The most important thing is that you take care of yourself (- and lie around as much as you want or need). Have a good cry and know that we are all here for you. XX

I'm really pleased the builders have gone now - not surprised your crying more now. The cost of a half day of builders pay is small price to pay to give you the space you need right now.

Really pleased you've got hold of DH and he's trying hard to get home to be with you tonight.

How are you feeling now? Is the cramping getting worse? I know you said the hospital said you just had to sit it out but did they say whether you should contact them if your symptoms got any worse?

The builders have gone - not sure if I'm crying more from the relief of being by myself with no hammering or the bleeding. I broke down in tears and asked them to leave because I had some "bad news and needed space". I startled them so badly, they started backing out the front door saying "Oh god, sorry, sorry, are you sure you are ok?!" while trying to pat me on the shoulder.

DH is trying his best to come home tonight. He wasn't too chuffed at the dismissal of the builders, but I don't give a flying f*ck . I spoke to him and he started um-ing and ah-ing about coming home until I burst into tears and begged. I don't think I can go to Derby - I'm in a lot of discomfort now and DH is with a team of people in the same hotel.

Just tell the builders that there's been a family crisis and could they please down tools for the day as you have people coming over. I'm sure they're compassionate enough not to ask too many questions...

Also, why on earth are you calling yourself a 'moaning mini'?! You are nothing of the sort. And I wasn't expecting you to be a barrel of laughs although, without a voice I'm not sure I can be that consoling. Its only a train ride away so if you change your mind....

I hope you manage to get hold of DH. If he can't come down here, could you get up to Derby to see him? Although, I'm sure you prob want your own things around you rather than a hotel room but at least you'd have DH?

picknmix - you are so kind to think of me. I am being a right Moaning Mini today, sorry. Thank you for being lovely, but I'll be ok here and it's miles fro you. I am not much fun to be around .

I have thought about asking the builders to go, but really not sure what I could say to them, other than the truth, which I can't face saying to anyone apart from typing it out on this thread. I am in pieces and trying not to cry in front of them.

I have called and emailed DH and asked if he can please, please come home tonight, but can't get hold of him. I suspect he will not be able to

Oh GG, I am so so sorry to hear that

Could you tell the builder to go home for the day so you can have some space? Is there no way DH can come back tonight?

I wish there was more I could do or say - would you like me to come up to see you? I'm kind of at a lose end today but I am full of cold (snot and no voice) so don't want to end up passing it on to you.

Please take care of yourself and let me know if you need anything xx

Thanks for all your kind words Caitni, Picknmix, DG and MrsH.

Now the bleeding is red and I've got clots . Just had a huge cramp, so can only conclude that it's all going to be identical to last time, with a predictably crap end result of nothing . I am at a loss - I am only allowed 2 hours of euphoria at a BFP before my world comes crashing down. And I'm stuck at home trying to "take it easy" with the flat in chaos and I just want to scream at the plumber (who is lovely) to GO AWAY AND LEAVE ME ALONE! DH is in bl**dy Derby and not coming home tonight. Arghhhh!

GG am really rushing now but just wanted to say ((hugs)) - glad you got the progesterone (but check my FB message just in case) but it's awful that you're going through this when a) your DH is away and b) you've got a tiler in your bathroom. I think lying around is just about the perfect thing to do in this circumstance...

...right am now off to the meeting now!
xxx

hello there everyone

I've been to Hammersmith and spoke to a doctor who was sympathetic, but not much more than that . Caitni, they gave me some extra progesterone, which was lucky although they did it a little reluctantly. I got the usual spiel about bleeding being common in early pregnancy (I know, but this has happened - identically - before), that they couldn't do anything except advise taking it easy and waiting. They couldn't comment that it seemed to be identical to last time, i.e. BFP and bleeding in tandem. When I asked if it could be hormonal and if there was anything I sh/could take, he very helpfully told me that "if it's another early miscarriage then we'll see about doing some more tests" which he wouldn't elaborate on. They gave me a blood test to confirm the BFP, like last time, but effectively will do nothing it seems until I come up for my post-IVF review meeting. Great!

I still have brown spotting, which is light but possibly heavier than yesterday and some mild cramping, but I can't even go to our (only) bathroom to knicker check, because the tiler is there all day and it's minus a door. When I need a pee he has to go and stand in the spare room and hum a tune. The bleeding is not quite the same as last time which was bright red blood and severe cramping, but it's enough to have me freaking, especially because DH has gone away for work, so I am on my own (not counting the plumber!) and he told me not to "lie around all day feeling sorry for myself"

GG I've just replied to your message on FB - think I can help a bit - am about to pop into a meeting but will check in here/FB later xxx

GG fingers crossed this BFP is a sticky one. Brown spotting is usually ok. Hope you get some reassurance soon.

Just a quick message because I'm a bit poorly at the mo but wanted to wish you the best of luck GG. A BFP is fantastic news but can understand your concerns. I hope you've managed to get through to someone at the hospital xx

Oh GG BFP . I'm very happy for you but I hope you've managed to speak to someone at HH re the spotting. Brown blood is generally old blood so generally OK and it's good that you're not cramping. They may just advise upping your dose of cyclogest. But in the meantime I'm keeping everything crossed that this little bean(s) is sticky and is just burrowing in nicely

Morning all

Just a quick post from me. I tested this morning and.....

BFP (after a sneaky, early test with a BFN yesterday, slap wrist)

BUT - I'm spotting again Not as bad as last time, (it looks like brown, early period type blood and no violent cramps) but I am totally freaked out about it after last time. I'm counting down the minutes until I can get someone at the hospital at 8am to discuss. Possile impantation bleed I suppose, but terrifying none the less.

will check in later and sorry for the me me me post

GGx