ooh we've got to 1000 posts does mean i should start a new thread?

Back in a minute

god, I've got preggers brain, I mean I puke every time I try to eat, not every time I try to puke

And i meant mollie not mollie# I'm going to go lie down

It's okay thanks mollie#. Still puking pretty much every time I try but I'm clinging on to it for life as a sign that everything is okay this time Ironically I usually have a couple of hours in the morning when I feel okay, after that the nausia lasts till I'm going to sleep!

So is the next scan at 20 weeks for you?

Thanks Curly how is the m/s?

And now with you mollie I'm still beaming about your good news on thurs

Took me so long, I cross posted with you neeko Yay for the OPK and the holiday distraction for the 2ww

MLS Happy birthday
Gracie Don't you dare go back on Wednesday, I agree with the others, stay off!
Mermaid I'm quietly excited
Hoping Any sign of the kittens yet? I love the survival kit you have put together, well done you it's a very positive move
Neeko So glad you had a lovely birthday, it would be so amazing if you caught the egg this weekend

Big waves to everyone else, hope you are enjoying the lovely weather?

mermaid any more symptoms? I have to admit I'm getting a wee bit excited for you though I know I should be the voice of reason and calm down. I would just give anything for this to be yours and 4evers month to get a BFP So are you going to get a ped egg?? I saw one in Boots the other day and was mighty tempted? My feet look like hobbits feet at the moment (though not hairy before anyone completely freaks out!! )

4ever I know you won't see this till tomorrow but hope you've had a good weekend and a lovely anniversary. You've been so brave about the girl going on mat leave. I know that things will be different in your office when you are going on mat leave but don't you worry, us emmsys girls will give you the best virtual (or maybe in RL!!!) send off ever so it won't matter That's a promise honey. Btw we love your rambly posts, don't you dare go changing anything

Jools I think that's a sign!! How is operation seduction going? Did it recover from Dirty Harry? mermaid is probably right , we should make our cheerleading chants a bit quieter in case dp hears us

Neeko sorry I missed your birthday, I think you should hijack your mum's one today instead Hope you had a lovely day and great party and at least you can start your birthday year with a bang or two lol at you googling Greys while you were watching. I do the same thing when I can't bear to wait to see how something ends

MLS happy birthday honey. Hopefully by the end of next week the physical part will be over and a big stage in the healing process will have completed. I cried at what you said about the girl in the waiting room. I remember being in the EPAU a week after my ERPC and literally seeing myself two weeks earlier in these girls waiting for confirmation that they had MC'd. I just wanted to tell them it would be okay I'm so glad you had a nice doctor, it makes such a difference, and studies have show that early care such as reassurance scans, increase the likelihood of a successful pregnancy

cupcake hey didn't we say that it would be cupcakemonth this month? Hopefully we are just one week away from a BFP!!!! Boobs are a definite sign. Would you believe I have gone up two sizes already to 32DD I look like a barbie (I mean the doll rather than our barbie ) with my pammy anderson boobs and I've lost weight everywhere else. I'd be delighted frankly if it wasn't for my new bulimnia habit being the cause. If I didn't feel so sick I would be strutting these boobies all over town I don't think it was me who posted about herbs but I have read before that you should be careful with herbal teas. Peppermint, ginger and fruit teas tend to be okay but check out any others before you have them. Also green tea has lots of caffeine it so I haven't had any in months even though I was a big fan As the others have said peanuts are fine in moderation if you have no family history of allergies / asthma.

moon what a lovely girl at work. Maybe you should tell her how much it really meant, so at least there would be someone who understands at work if things start getting you down. I found that the stage you are at can be really hard because you are supposedly back to "normal" and carrying on with RL, but even if you able to forget sometimes, there is still so much sadness lurking in the background Make sure you have enough support in RL, although you know we are always here with a virtual hug when you need it xxx

blue lol at your gorgeous ds running around the garden

gracie it's so hard waiting isn't it? I've 12 sleeps to go and it seems like an eternity. I think the consultant is down playing golf with mermaids consultant, as she's on leave this coming week, otherwise I could have had it next friday. Grrr. Don't go back to work yet honey, you are still getting the pain on and off. I think blue is right. Stay off till your scan. It is nothing in the grand scheme of things and at least will keep you away from swine flu and other nasties

Kate who is this scully??? Sounds like we need her on the case to find us some BFPs

hoping I love your survival kit I'm hoping to get into knitting, I was thinking of going to some stitch n bitch events in london, I went to one before with a friend but she wasn't that keen so may just have to brave it and go on my own

VJ more icecream and some smoothies coming your way now. Hope it has cooled down a bit

Big waves to everyone I haven't mentioned xxx

Morning all!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY MLS Hope you're not suffering too badly with the champagne headache from your party. (I have one myself so if you are I sympathise)

Thanks to all of you for the birthday messages. Really warms the heart to think that lovely ladies all over are thinking of you. I hope those of you who were able had a burthday drink with me. I had a lovely day. Lots of nice gifts and time with family, but best of all <<whispers>> i got a + OPK! we've been doing well on the BD front this week and had a temp rise this morning but don't know if it's from ovulation or from the champagne fuelled late night I guess I'll know tomorrow if I'm on the 2ww.The good news is if I am I'll be on holiday for the 2nd week so that will prevent me from early testing and distract me from the cponstant thinking about it.

Speaking of 2ww some VERY promising symptoms for Mermaid and Cupcake Sending you both sticky, baby dust filled thoughts.

Hoping I'd love to knit the Emmsy's hat but it might be beyond my expertise

I LOVE the long rambling messages so please don't stop girls. I think it's lovely that we feel comfortable to share on here.

4ever happy anniversary for Tuesday. mine's tomorrow and it'll be 7 years It has absolutely flown past.

Have to go now. It's my mum's actual birthday today and I'm expected at her house. We left the party at 10.30 last night ( that DD lasted til then - she had a ball!) so goodness knows what state they'll all be in today.

Have a great day girls!

*happy Birthday*mls
hope you manage to have a good day, thinking of you.xxx

hoping you sound sensible to me girl!
gracie is up again I see.....
hope you all have a good sunday.x

arg just read my last post. dh is right. I've lost the plot

happy birthday MLS hope you're going to have a lovely day being made a fuss of and eating lots of cake

gracie aww bless your matron! you're right, you've earned your sick leave off. keep nuturing that little bean . posting at 1am, you still pacing lovely?

vjay good spelling

ladies, I think in the difficulty rating the hat is a 4 out of 5, sorry . I spent a lot of time knitting while I was ill so I've had a lot more practice than most people outside an oap home [insert granny emoticon here]. I did find you this, which is much easier. And not written in code...

blue I'll knit you super roomy

mermaid and cupcake how are you ladies feeling today? my kittens are due today I'll waft some of that baby dust your way!

dh is starting to doubt my sanity after I toddled off to asda for baby vitamins, grapefruit juice, baby aspirin, chocolate, brazil nuts...he's dubbed it the weirdest survival kit ever can we add marmite to the trying anything and everything list? I'm sure that comes from nowhere more sensible than the recesses of my brain, but I have a feeling that all those b vitamins and folic acid are good for something

after (rightly?) questioning my sanity dh and I had a long talk about ttc and options for the future etc, and he has agreed we can be seriously trying on the condition that I wait until 2010 before I start peeing on things that aren't hpts

Happy birthday MLS!

Hello just a quick hello and happy birthday to Neeko no chance to catch up today as have guests over but will do a long post tomorrow promise x

Small pants

babyinacorner ttc#2 cd 50 ?
Sophable ttc#1 cd 39 ?
gingermumi ttc#4 cd 29
hoping ttc #1 cd 25
cupcakefairy ttc#1 cd 24
mermaid ttc#2 cd 20
Neeko ttc#2 cd 18
iggypiggy ttc#1 cd 17
Jools ttc#1 cd 13
bakingqueen ttc#1 cd 12
4ever ttc#1 cd 11
Kate ttc#1 cd 7
becks ttc#2 cd?
Bluemoon
MLS

On a break?
cupoftea
littlebellsmum

Medium pants

Barbie BFP 6th June
Curly BFP 4th June
GracieGirl BFP 30th May
Scorpio

Big pants

VJay bigpants due 26/08/09
Lionstarbigpants due 26/09/09
Sabsbigpants due 26/09/09
Anniebigpants due 1/12/09
Molliemooma due 16/12/09
Bluesatinsash due 18/12/09
mm1509 due 5/1/10

OK who's testing before this thread is out?

happy birthday to neeko and mls

cupcake and mermaid, thinking sticky thoughts to you both, can we squeeze in a bfp on here before we need a new thread?

gracie yes please look after yourself and as you rightly say its your turn for some time off after hardly ever being off sick.

an extra big hug for mls hope you are ok, thinking of you xx

Happy Birthday to Neeko and MLS

dont worry i will gracie

Blue I don't feel half so stupid now you've admitted to not having a clue about that knitting pattern! Sorry Hoping I think we're more the pom pom making sort!

My matron just rang me up at home on her day off whilst packing for her holiday to see how I was. Bless her! She says not to rush back and to stay at home and be looked after. (MrsKate give her a hug from me when you see her!) Blue you are right, I'm sure they'd rather me come back feeling well and confident than worried and stressed. Besides I've had one week off sick in 8 years before this year so I'm sure its my turn! I think I left my "ass-kicking, takes no s**t, thrives on stress and mayhem, able to think about 150 things at once and totally in control at all times" A&E Sister personality somewhere, must try and remember to find it before I go back!

Cupcake the leaflet given by my midwife says if you or DH have allergies or asthma then don't eat peanuts whilst pregnant.

Happy birthday to neeko and MLS, hope you both have lovely days

Neeko

Happy Birthday Nekko and girls, its MLS's birthday tomorrow - hope you are royally spoiled MLS and wrapped in love and cuddles.

Yes Vjay in a hats are always too small way but not noticable to the naked eye (God I hope not, maybe folk refer to us as the Tefal family ). Its the hair, its very thick .

yes gracie stay off work il smile sweetly at matron and tell her u cant come back yet.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY NEEKO xxxx

mermiad keep up with those sypmtoms

hi all waves to everyone

cupcake I too love peanut butter but I stopped eating it when I got pregnant. I think that if you have asthmatics (sp?) in your family then don't eat peanuts, and my MIL is asthmatic....how do you spell that .

mermaid sounds promising and I'm against all violence so won't slap you

blue you all have big heads?

graice I agree with blue, stay off until after your scan, then go back and get a full risk assessment done before your shift starts.

cupcake - I love peanut butter too and didn't give it up with DS or this time (Although ms so bad that I've not been eating much at all). I also drink herbal green tea etc. but the de-caff version.

mermaid - <SLAP> but (whisper) looking promising <sneaky smile emotion>...

Gracie - I think you should stay off until your 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours scan, as you say you could be exposed to anything in A&E. Know this might not be practical but surely its better for your work to have you fighting back to work at 12 weeks than crawling back just now all worried and stressed . One of the few perks for working for NHS is excellent sick leave so use it!

Hoping - read the knitting pattern, you may as well ask me to build the Titanic it looks just as hard! Hope your clattering away. BTW my family all have big heads so hope the hats are stretchy .

Morning everyone

mermaid I'm not going to slap you...that does sound pretty promising So jealous of your 25 day cycle! I have to wait flipping ages ...hmph.

4ever as IF you should shut up!?? I read every word too and we all have the odd ramble here

moon that's sooo sweet about the jewellery thing, bless her. Glad it ended your working week nicely

Happy birthday neeko!

MLS hope things go ok with the relatives and so glad you had a lovely doc! Totally makes all the difference. Happy birthay to you too! (not sure when the actual day is...?)

gracie rubbish that the pain is back... but if it is a symptom then maybe you are feeling a teensy bit relieved too?

Hi Curly it was you who posted that long list of herbs before wasn't it? Just getting paranoid about all these herbal teas and whether they're safe. The general Google consenses seems to be that everything in moderation is fine...?

Also, does anyone know what the official line on peanuts is? Cos I adore peanut butter, have it on/in everything... dh thinks if I stopped it completely it could be more harmful than just having a little bit now and then (cos it's in my system so much naturally anyway...)

<whispers> I'm asking all this cos my DH said this morning that he thinks my pregnancy boobs are back ...desperately trying not to get hopes up though!

thanks for the whack and advice on the water girls. I expect that is what it is - I am day 20 I think and my cycle is usually about 25 days.
gracie your poor friend I so, so hope that all goes ok for her. I guess it really brings home how in the front line you are in with your work. I think you should stay home in your cotton wall ball.x

Morning ladies!

Mermaid I would go with a large glass of water anyway, you need to keep rehydrated if you're brewing a BFP!

Happy birthday Neeko!!!

I'm not sure about work, I probably should go back. My sick note runs out on wednesday. A bit scared that my heavily pregnant colleague has started her mat leave early due to looking after a patient who turned out to have a confirmed case of swine flu. She's now supposed to be taking Tamiflu (I've just checked the website, it says not recomended for pregnant women as they don't know the effects on the fetus at any stage in pregancy). The trouble with A&E is patients don't come in with labels on with what nasty things you might catch from them, you find out after you've already been exposed. I'm sure swine flu is no worse then the average sort of flu at the minute but I don't particularly want to volunteer for it! I need to stop getting stressed out, its my job, if my pain stops then I have to go back.

Ooh mermaid that's promising Is is around implantation time do you think? that's when I got strongest symptoms, then they went all quiet till AF time, then BFP!! Oh sorry forgot to slap you, silly me... WHACK!!!

I'm off to catch up with you ladies... back in a sec (make that an hour, I know what you're like )

happy bday Neeko is it your anniversary as well?

ooh fingers crossed mermaid - if you're looking for reasons to stay calm during the 2ww, it could be the heat affecting your sleep and leaving you dehydrated...have a nice big glass of water and see how you feel

mermaid. Dont want to get your hopes up but had first 2 of these symptoms within days of me oving before i got my BFP.

someone please slap me

metallic taste
feel dizzy, light headed
feel sick
lots of saliva [yuk] why can't we have a yuk face mn towers?

I have a bug haven't I?

honestly dh's and Friday nights, do they not understand that when it's "the night" wanting a beer instead is just not on...

now I am sure AF is on her way after dh decided beer=better than sex the entire time I was OVing this month, now he's interested again. grr. I can recommend not confiscating beer though in these circumstances...led to tit for tat rose confiscation and no bding

gracie sorry to hear you're still in pain, but glad to see you're not pacing round the emmsys lounge late at night. still crossing my fingers to you for graduation to big pants!

happy birthday neeko have a fabby day.

Looks like it was the night of the awol dhs

jools stamping my foot on your behalf.

gracie I was hoping your pain was ebbing when do you have to go back to work?

Evening all! My DH is drunk at the neighbours too. I came home cos I got the pain again.

Maybe its a night for it Kate and jools mine has decided to go to our old house and check on the work the decorators have been doing then again could be because have a major ibs attack going on! X

Just a quick hello to everyone from me not had chance to catch up properly will catch up tomorrow just want to say happy birthday and anniversary to Neeko x

well my dh would rather drink beer with next door than sit with me . he cannot moan im on here to much now!!!!!!!!!!

i dont no whats wrong with them u hand it out on a plate and they dont want it but expect you to want it when they do annoying lol

jools stand in front of the telly in your sexy undies and then see if he can resist!

Gaaaaahhhhhh MEN

apparently watching a Dirty Harry movie is more enticing than BD

Jools wanders off to fill her glass of rose and muse on the failings of mankind whilst waiting for the film to end - fat chance I'll be awake at 12.50 - grrrrrrrrrrrrr

yeah she should be on here bless her. i dont think mr l will let it out his sight tho.. i no how to work it ive see them use it soooooo many you can tell its new they have to use it for every patient in resus no matter what they come in with .

mermiad that was an excuse i think tho but it was nice to sleep xx

I remember making poms poms, me and my sister used to make loads, I have no idea where they ended up

opps sorry kate I got distracted by reading about ped eggs
well I am glad your lovely shiny new dh was considering your feelings and letting you sleep. My distinctly tarnished dh is snoring on the sofa I think the tennis exhausted him!

MrsKate I can just imagine you and Scully nicking the scanner for me!! and then trying to figure out how to use it. (Scully sounds like she should be on here with a nickname like that!)

Mermaid I'll help with Pom poms!

Moon how lovely of your assistant. Sometimes it is nice to share our bad news so people can look out for us.

Only 2 weeks, 6 days, 11 hours and 4 minutes till my 12 week NHS scan! Not that I'm keeping count or anything!

lol funny no still got hole .dh was going to do it today but found somthing else to do instead . his excuse was that i have been on nights and didnt want to wake me . yeah right lol

kate it would be like a bad carry on film Has the hole in your roof gone yet?

mermiad i wish i could sneak a scan for gracie . il steal the scanner from resus Gracie do you think they will miss it .

moon sometimes it does help to tell others in rl and you know what, I bet you find there are a lot of other silent women out there. Really glad you got something shiney too though
Now pom poms do our these hats need them hoping cos me and moon can do those
I think we used to make our pom poms into Flumps reckon Blue Peter showed us how to do it!

gracie you do know that we all be throwing the odd oddity into our ramblings now just to see if you really do read all of them!
Really glad you are feeling better but why can't they just give you a little scan, can't you sneak in there? i bet you and kate could manage it between you

mls thank goodness for the lovely drs in times of crisis. how on earth are you going to manage with rellys to look after? Please don't rush around too much and be gentle on yourself.x

Have a good evening everyone.xxx

mermaid haha i had forgotton about pom poms, omg i made thousands of the bloody things, and just what do you do with them once you've made them?!

hoping yes if we do any group knitting marathons i can only offer holey dishcloths but its the taking part that counts right?! good job i'm not knitting hats or booties, you'd have toes sticking out all over the place and hats that are no use whatsoever!

i am interested about all this asprin talk, its something i had not heard of before and will definitely consider it if/when i next get pg.

after my ranting over the last few days someone at work nearly made me cry in a good way today and i have realised that not all people are horrible! my assistant brought in a load of jewellery she had made herself, she was just giving ideas to a colleague who wanted some handmade stuff making for her. i was having a look and complimenting her on her handywork and admired one piece in particular. when home time came, she pushed this lovely necklace that i had been admiring into my hand and said id like you to have this. i had to bite my lip not to cry. and she doesnt know why i was off work or what happened, i suddenly felt bad that i dont have the guts to tell her. she is a lovely lovely person anyway but she made my day today

right ladies, emailed the pattern off for any knitters out there (though by the looks of it any group knitting event may lead to emmsys graduate dishcloths )

<goes to dig out some baby wool and needles to get cracking>

hi gracie I think chocolate mini milks are a fab idea, I've eated loads of them so it must work

4ever, mermaid and Hoping don't stop the rambling posts, i read every word!

MLS I'm really pleased you got a nice doctor, it makes all the difference doesn't it. It great that your doc will be looking after you next time you get pregnant.

hoping Chocolate every day reduces risk of miscarriage????!!! Well I don't take much convincing! What about chocolate mini milks?? I'm sure they'd be better!

Well done 4ever for holding it together through your work colleagues baby gifts opening.

Poor vjay, its far too hot for very pregnant people.

mls your doctor does sound lovely and totally clued up, especially giving you that reassurance scan as and when needed, that's just fab.

4ever I hope you are wearing something sparkly, drinking something sparkly and eating a lovely takeaway

mermaid you are so wise

blue please please please send that rain up here, I am sooo hot and sweaty, it aint attractive

barbie hope your journey home has gone well and you and dh are enjoying yourself.

hoping and 4ever I love your rambly posts, keep them coming

Hello ladies, you've been a busy bunch today. Must be quick as preparing for the Scottish invasion!

Just wanted to add my congrats to Mollie & Barbie, very pleased for you both (even if saying inside 'why couldn't it have been me too?')

Had my scan today & am booked in for an erpc next Thursday. Had the best doctor in the whole world who I just wanted to hug. 4ever was going to pick your brain re progesterone supplements as it was something I was thinking about before I got pregnant the last time but now I don't need to. My lovely epu doctor said that as soon as I'm pregnant again to give her a call & she will prescribe progesterone & aspirin as although the benefit can't be proven, there are no side effects & it is definitely worth trying. She also said she would scan me at 7 weeks. She also gave me strong painkillers in case things start happening before next Thursday. There was a young girl there who had obviously just been given bad news who was absolutely beside herself with grief & I just wanted to hug her & pass on Emmy's Angels details.

<big waves> to everyone, sorry I can't post in more detail but rushing around like a mad thing.

Mermaid you always know the right thing to say and I hope 4ever is in a sparkly shop as we speak. You both have been through so much, I can't even begin to imagine how hard it must be to go through four miscarriages and remain positive and forward planning - I admire you both so much and I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

Didn't know you had such a scary experience with your DS - you must have left that scan room on top of the world (well until the anxiety set in again.. as it always does after early scans are OK)..

'tis raining here which will hopefully blow the pollen away <wishful emotion>

oh stupid brain - mls hope you are ok.xxxxxx

hoping Its nice to see you on a bit of a mission, I think it helps not to feel helpless somehow. Thank you for posting that link on coffee and chocolate. now that is bizarre really cos chocolate has caffeine in it as well. When I was pregnant with ds I had awful ms and went off coffee, I bled and lost horrific clots and got rushed off to epu. I remember being sick in the hospital car park on the way in cos they said don't eat, you can guess what they were expecting Anyway I just knew it was ok, I was just so pregnant, so sick I can remember joking about having a fry up to the scan man and him looking all grave saying lets just hold our horses and of course there was my little bean waving back at us Ha and you thought you had rambled anyhoo my point being I coudn't stand the smell of coffee. with all subsequent preg. no sickness and drank my usual 3 coffees or so so there you go.

phew,
4ever Please on your way home pick yourself up some lovely takeaway, nice drink and something sparkly from the sparkly shop just for you cos honey you have had another **$& week. A shiny gold emmsys star for being so unbelievably brave during the baby gifts.
Have a good weekend.xxx

This post is so you don't ever feel bad about rambling

Thanks Bluesatin just hope the day does come for us.

Yea Hoping as I said, my consultant put me on aspirin last year.

At least I now know gfj helps ewcm cos been feeding it to dh, obviously no need!

Must stop rambling in my posts too cos Im sure I must bore people a bit & are tempted to skip my long posts, but if I cant do it here I dont know where I can do it.. Im feeling pretty shit & just want to go & hide under my duvet for the rest of my
life the weekend...

Hope you all have a good one. Prob wont be around much til mid of next week so wont be filling up the site for the rest of you!

just adding to rambly post - taken my white coat around internet looking at medical journals on baby aspirin...conclusion to all studies is that baby aspirin can't harm and might help

baby aspirin is cutting edge RMC research right now!

oh and same studies all showed that in the baby asprin and the control groups between 70% and 85% of subsequent pgs in women with RCM led to healthy babies!

Sorry 4ever x-post. Well done you for geting through the present giving, you have had to put up with so much at your work with all the pg ladies and comments, its just rubbish. It will be your turn one day and you won't mind if you have 20 or 2 colleagues sending you off as you will be having a baby and nothing else will matter .

Hey Hoping - yes mad and rambly but in a good way . You know that is so true re: ms = bleugh to tea/coffe which ties in with ms = higher chance of successful pg which then could be coffee = no link to mc! Just think us mc sufferers rule out anything that may cause it to happen again.

Neeko - watching Grey's tonight!!!! Has been pushed of schedule due to tennis but Friday is my Grey's night no excuses not even if Andy Murray's still on court . DS has been naked most of the week, waving his willie about and loving it! We had play date with his wee friend Olivia yesterday and was so to see them running round the garden naked as the day they were born! Have a fantastic birthday and anniversary x

Also love Friends and can tell you which series from a mere 1 second clip <saddo>. They're currently re-running first series on E4 for the 145 time, lots of big hair and it was the 90s not 80s so no excuse .

Gracie - I think that's appalling that you can't get a scan, it should be a given for anyone who's had a mc .

4ever - had a at your colleague's comments on the fag ash pg 'lady' - ho hum. Glad your windows are in and not long til your anniversary, how exciting! As for your MIL though - note to her - engage brain before opening gob.

Jools - break a leg tonight

Ah well, sandwich eaten, back to work x

Hey Hoping funnily enough I got those leaflets from MA a little while ago! Still not sure re caffiene though as both consultants advised against it for me, and wierdly, although a major chocoholic normally in every preg I go right off it!

Just a quick post, feeling a bit strange cos girl sitting next to me got all her baby gifts as she goes on mat leave today, she got loads of sweet newborn stuff, changing mats, albums, baby 1st yr stuff, about 10 parcels! Our office (about 50 on our floor)gathers round peoples desks for gift presentations so I was sitting next to her with a big fixed smile, then a girl who knows my situation gave a knowing look & I felt it hard not too buckle, but I didnt, Im truly happy for her, but Im sad for me. Iv longed for that to be me getting gifts & waddling wound work, but if/when it ever happens everyone iv worked with for last 13yrs will be redundant & ill be commuting to west end

wow it sounds like we've got a lot of good stuff on the horizon! birthdays (I nearly typed BDs, my usual shorthand, which is totally different here!), anniversaries, and not to mention so many of of you have had good baby news over the last week or so. yay!

mollie great to hear your news! <cracks out the knitting needles, sees she's going to be dead busy with all the emmsys knits!>

Have you seen this? A fab list of things studies have shown reduces or increases risk of miscarriage. <puts on white coat> caffene does not cause miscarriages . All the studies that showed a link were ones that only looked at women who had already lost their babies, and picked up something they all had in common (a perfectly normal tea/coffee habit) and knew probably wasn't good for them anyway. Technical term is "recall bias". if you're suffering from ms you probably go off bitter tasting stuff like tea and coffee anyway, and if you have ms it's more likely to be a successful pg. when studies were done on tons of pg women, some who went on to have mcs and some who didn't, the link disappeared. just pure bad science used to kick vulnerable people while they're down . the Junkfoodscience blog explains this better. <takes white coat off and slurps her coffee with glee>

best bit is chocolate every day reduces miscarriage! that is the best news I have heard for weeks! might be the selenium found in cocao?

(warning, tmi coming up) this spotting is driving me nuts! Keep finding spots of pink blood, then goes back to brown CM, then stops, then repeats! just decide if you're coming to visit or not AF! So decided to just ignore it I'll know one way or the other within a week. If it's BFN this month that gives me time to paint the nursery craft studio!

sorry mad and rambly post...will say hello to you all properly in a bit

Ah Happy Anniversary to you too Neeko your the day before us! How many years for you? Cant believe its 2yrs for us already!

Hi gracie, how are you doing? Hope you managing to get some sleep during the night now. When do you go back to work?

I even managed to cross post with 4ever whilst apologising for cross posting, we are a talkative bunch this morning!

MLS thinking of you.

Happy birthday cake shopping Neeko! Have a lovely anniversary and birthday!

Cupcake no not getting a GP scan at 9 weeks. I asked the midwife about it and she said the EPAU would just ignore the request form as its not policy to do reassurance scans.

Lovely and busy on here today
I'm off now though to try to encourage dd to put some clothes on. After initially hating the lack of nappy she is truly embracing feeling the morning air!
Have a good one.
DH is prising himself away from work to take me to dinner at the hotel where we had our wedding reception (anniversary on Monday so double celebration) so probably wont be on for a wee while. Someone please text me if there are any surprise BFP/twin announcements

Thanks for the GFJ info girls - and great link Jools!

P'd down last night & threatening again now!

My pg collegaue goes on mat leave today but also cos shes been v sweet & sensitive & lovely.. Maybe difficult seeing abundance of baby gifts unwrapped next to me tho The oth chavvy chain smoking one apparently goes on mat leave day after our wedding anniversary, got an envelope round for her collection, one of the guys in my team said 'what they buying her? 200 fags?!?' He's a funny dude!

Yay neeko I'm a big fan of Friends.. dh and I have been going through the whole lot as there are loads he hasn't seen...love it

I didn't bother with the grapefruit juice this month...if I don't get the BFP I may have to go back to it! Honestly, we'll try anything won't we!!

Gracie your GP never got you the week 9 scan then?

Good link Jools*

*Blue The rain is stopping here so it's obviously heading for your flowers. What did you think of the end of Grey's? I googled it cos I needed to know what happened next and then was gutted!

Just popping in to check on mollie and it's good news yey, and you've felt your bean yey again
I've not caught up properley will do later as I'm off shopping again before it gets too hot, but I did see some ice cream from curly, thankyou

I really shouldn't spend half an hour casually drafting my post whilst eating breakfast, I've cross posted with 12 posts!!

Ill check that out Neeko*..

Hey Annie thanks for info on grapefruit juice, anniversary wishes & understanding of at MIL!! Glad to hear you are officially entering 'blooming phase'!x

Cupcake I saw that friends! Yes, not sure if we will make BFPs on this part 5, was hoping I would as it would be no5 for me & thought it would be a good sign! TBH the white coats thing made me nervous as altho we all don them occasionally they still conjur up bad images from countless hospital visits for me! Maybe next header could be 'sticky icky babydust BFP central'?

Curly Thats an impressive post! I'm giving it some thought about being your scan buddy, though would need to find a day when DH was off work cos I'm not going without him. My NHS dating scan is the 24th July, that's 21 sleeps away which is quite a long time, but my original plan was to try and wait that long.

Curly and Moon I know what you mean about people discussing your MC at inappropriate times. That 90th birthday party I was at a few weeks ago. I'm giving her a bit of slack cos she's 90 and she was also drunk, but she announced that I'd lost a baby loudly to a whole room packed with about 30 people, then followed that comment with "its because she works too hard"! Great, Thanks, make it my fault why not!

Hoping I'm with Curly I'd love an Emmsys hat once things are a bit more big pant like.

Mermaid yay I did lots of Pom poms! Not much good at knitting at all. My Granny used to cast on and off for me and unpick it whilst I was asleep to get rid of the holes!

4ever sorry I didn't text again about Mollie but it was quite late by then and I wasn't sure whether you'd still be up. I'm really pleased your windows are sorted. Boo hiss at your MIL's unhelpful comments! Ovulation and 2nd wedding anniversary - must be a sign!

jools good luck with operation seduction!

Cupcake Morning! I loved Friends too.I have them all on video/dvd. Your comment made me laugh. Will now need to dig out that episode.

annie Glad to hear you're blooming Hope DS doesn't want you to wash and iron all those clothes!

Happy Birthday for tomorrow Neeko!! Its still scorching over here in central belt, wonder if your rain is en route? My flowers could do with a soak .

GFJ is supposed to increase the volume and quality of cervical mucus, so you have more EWCM to sustain those swimmers

Drinking lots of water also has a positive effect

To be honest, I'm not sure how much effect it really does have - my last BFP was when I was on the Cambridge Diet, so no GFJ but 2 litres of water per day. I haven't yet gone back to the stuff, but am still drinking loads of water.

Lots of info here - it also mentions evening primrose oil and robitussin cough mixture to add to everything else we are doing !

Just a quickie as going into meeting...

Fantastic news Mollie - been thinking about you all night/morning

4ever - grapefruit juice increases EWCM -the stuff that helps the swimmers rach the egg!

Oops. Meant to answer that. Grapefruit encourages production of EWCM. can't hurt!

Thanks for the birthday wishes

Happy Birthday for tomorrow Neeko!!! (& to mum too!) So many July birthdays! Def like to join you for testing party in 2w then hon! Isnt MLS tomorrow too? Funny isnt it, if you girls said any of what MIL said id take it as empathy, with her I take it as an undercover dig.. Sure its not tho, she has often said im her fave girl out of her 4 boys partners..

Good luck to Jools in military attack, I used to be same, PG no prob (4x 16m! ) Now we're on a time limit diff story, but as 2ys coming up since 1st pg & 1yr for you, hopefully it will be agood omen?!

Mermaid i e-mailed my golfer & unlike my NHS darts player who just ignores my queries , my private golfer took the trouble to reply by letter to each point last time, tho took a couple of weeks, so am just watching the postbox (metaphorically as I dont have superman vision to see my house from work!!!) Yea MIL invoked from me yesterday. All I wanted to know was how her hol was!

Im so tired! Had about 3hrs sleep, in bed near midnight (normally 10ish), neighbours friend in garden having row with mrs on pho til 1ish, then house pho batt beeping loudly so had to get up & put on charge, an hr later heavens open & all windows open so run round shutting them & mopping windowsills/walls, then alarm off at 5.25am! YAWN! Half day for me then!

BTW you all prob stop reading my mammoth scrawlings half way, so can anyone answer, what is grapefruit juices purpose again?

Morning lovely ladies
Your posts have all been making me laugh so much - especially you curly with your threats to wallop pregnant woman in 4ever's office and moon with your 'filling big pants' comment

mollie soooo lovely you are feeling lo move around- yay! Glad yesterday went well.

4ever how annoying of your MIL...but loved what you said about how you're shagging her son every day, haha! Reminds me of that Friends episode when Phoebe tells Mike's mum that he can 'rattle a headboard like a sailor on leave!' This will be your month!

I don't think this thread will last long enough for BFPs...I'm not going to be testing for about another 9 days... unless babyinacorner, ginger or sophable reappear with some good news??

Happy birthday for tomorrow Neeko. Bless your mum for saying you were her best birthday present, i bet you were as well

Morning all, a bit cooler here today thankfully.

Jools-Well done on mission seduction. It is indeed a sign, that if your AF doesnt arrive , you will be testing around the same time as anniversary of first BFP.

4ever-Yay for your windows being completed and for 2nd Anniversary on Tuesday. Am very at the comments your MIL made though,there really is no need, she knows the heartache you and DH have been through,and she is just being selfish and thinking of herself!! She says she sees her friends buying prams and she feels she should be doing the same-well does she not stop to think how you are feeling?? Grrr on your behalf at your MIL.
By the way, the grapefruit juice is supposed to increase EWCM.

mermaid-Yes my lovely, i cant recommend aspirin highly enough. I was talking to one of my patients at work who is now 37 weeks and blooming,but previously had 4 mc. all her and her DH tests had come back clear, no known cause for her mc,s. Her consultant said she didn't have 'sticky blood' but to take aspirin when she next got her BFP, she did and now has 3 weeks to meet her LO. We both agreed that all ladies who have had a mc should be encouraged to try low dose aspirin for their next pregnancy.

moon-hope you doing okay hun.

DS is driving me crazy (in a a nice way) he has learned to put on and take his clothes off by himself, cue him getting changed about ten times a day!
Bump is getting bigger now, im coming up to 19 weeks now and feel great, lower back still giving me gip occasionally, but i can live with that

4ever there's a thread in conception where someoe is looking for info for SIL on recurrent miscarriage. Maybe you could post what you're trying? I don't think the world at large has any idea of your type of situation. I'd do it myself but I'm worried about passing on the wrong info.

Yaaay Mollie Great news! So pleased for you especially as you're feeling the lo move. Very reassuring. I have to confess that when I was quite far on I used to put a warm cup on my bump to make my DD kick me if i hadn't felt her for a while!

Curly great to hear you sounding so cheery. Well done on the long post. Hope the ms dies down soon. Definitely not starting the smartie idea now!

MLS You're in my thoughts (as usual) Hope you make some progress today. Big hug to you.

Barbie Welcome home!!!! Are either you or Mollie able to post a scanpic for us to oooh over or is it too early for all that?

4ever Glad house is getting sorted. Ignore MIL - she has to wait her turn to be annoyed about you not having a BFP yet. there's a queue you know! I haven't ovulated yet so not on 2ww. maybe you and I will get a testing party together?

Raining here and blessedly a little cooler. Going shopping later for my own birthday cake as DH started a promoted post this week and is working so hard. It's my birthday tomorrow but my mum is hijacking the day for her 60th party. Her birthday is Sunday (She says I was the best birthday presesnt ever ) Hope you all have a great day and find something to smile about.

4ever at the thought of mil telling you how to make babies - and all very hard for you. Did your consultant golfer get back to you? thank goodness the windows are done and you can get back to normal so its go go go for you too

jools lets just keep hidden from your dh that we are all standing on the side lines chanting go go go like cheerleaders think that would be enough to put any man right off his stroke!

mls thinking of you this morningxxxxxxx

Oh, and hooray for windows being sorted and reclaiming your bedroom 4Ever

Good morning to our marathon posters Curly and 4Ever Love the smarties story - that is one clever girlie

Mission seduction steps up a gear tonight - wish me luck girls I'm going to be extraordinarily disappointed if AF arrives after successful BD - thus far, I seem to be one of those really really annoying people that manages to get PG immediately IF I can actually get DP to perform at the right time.

I've worked out that, if AF doesn't arrive, I'll be testing at pretty much the same time as I got my first BFP a year ago - is that a sign

Morning Mermaid! Was just catching up.. I also was advised take 75mg aspirin by my golfer in last preg, even tho no sticky blood syndrome or any oth cause found at that point. Also advised progestorone supps. I stopped taking it after mc, but have actually been taking it again for the last month whilst ttc, & also cos of heavy AF. Ive heard midwives in delivery suites apparently saying 'oh another aspirin baby?!' So go get em! St Marys is one pf leading MC research and specialist units, recently refurb'd as Save the baby unit. The website made me cry when I researched a few months ago. Trials always good... Thanks for yesterday as well hon.. x

Ditto re the aspirin to you MLS.. Like I said my natural mc was agony & have opted for erpc every time since so if im right in thinking you have docs today try & push for that, or at least a scan to know where you are at.. xx

Barbie soooooooooooooo pleased for you honey! So relieved & was thinking about you all morning.. Now you should be back here in the uk with your tanker of festival equipment

Mollie was on tenterhooks for you too honey & was thinking about you on drive into work! Yay!

Also good news from Mm! thats what we like - keep it coming!

Sorry ms is hitting you hard Curly (but not really sorry cos good healthy sign!)

Thank you for yesterday too Gracie that number exchange really was a great plan! Hope you are getting a bit more sleep & pain is slowly easing off?

Nice to hear from Bluemoon - hope the rollercoaster isnt too bumpy.. x

Go Jools & Bakinqueen on a mission! Im right behind you girls!

Neeko Cupcake, Kate & Mermaid hope the 2ww not tooooooooooo long & drawn out!

Hoping ditto on all points hon!

Big panters! Nice to hear from Vjay Sabs & Annie all in one day! Hope the heat not too awful for you!

Right - know Ive still missed a few of you lovelies so hugs & waves to you xxx

Well, mammoth catch up! My news is windows are done - yay! Will wallpaper over replastered bits on sat & reclaim our bedroom ready for OV & 2yr wedding anniversary on tues! I got AF day after wedding day which turned out (as Curlys mantra) to be 1st day of preg, yet 2 yrs & 3more pg later still nothing so hope to end the cycle to the day if poss.. MIL back from 2w hol & pho being v negative & 'sad & angry for us not managing to get pg this month' its nothing us lot dont say & feel, but she's talking of friends buying prams for grandchildren & thinking 'that should be me', & various other comments & that she has cut out an article on how to get pregnant & we should do it every day, I explained yes, I am shagging your son every day (great conversation with MIL ) & thanks to you girls, know nearly every tip in the book! Its just when trying to be positive you dont need people bringing you down. huff. Anyway nuff bout that. Im on day 10 & am duly POAS, eating brazil nuts, taking aspirin & sanatogen 'mother to be' (they changed the name & i took it as a sign, been on em 2&half yrs now tho ) & glugging grapefruit juice, which I love... Now please remind me, what grapefruit juice do again?!?

Mollie first thing I thought of when I woke up was you, even logged on before my coffee had brewed - so very exited and pleased

mls so hoping that you are ok and sending out healing thoughts and hugs.xxx

curly I so always love your posts sorry you are still feeling sick, I hope you are taking it as easy as you can. Thans also for the offer of your spare room dear of you We are letting the idea of st marys drift around.
And why do people have to behave that way? Bullying in the office must be awful. Mind you just wait ill you get to the school gate! you aint seen nothing yet

Moon classic! I inherited all the dishclothes back a few years ago Now did you make pom-poms too?

bakingqueen am going to cross everything for you this month go go go.

annie nice to see you lovely lady and so pleased you are ok you have sealed the deal I am going to go buy some asprin today.

vjay also just reminded to say omg its getting close get buying that raspberry tea soon. and thank goodness for your ds funding, that must be a relief and another stress taken away. Hope the studying is ok and your back is holding upxx

Its already really hot here, going to be naother scorcher big pants keep cool and eat lots of ice cream.x littlepants get that rose in the fridgex

Thanks Moon it literally did take hours knackered now, I'm off to bed. take care honey xxx

wow curly i am very impressed with your post, it must have taken you hours!

have been giggling out loud at maximising smarties - they are not stupid at all are they?!

hope all is well with you and your bean

Have I won a prize for the longest post ever?

A big forehead wiping PHEW for you Mollie I have been updating the wrong page and worrying about where you are and how things went. I finally realised that I wasn't on the last page of the thread!! I am so delighted for you. Make sure you are thoroughly spoilt over the next few weeks

Fantastic news barbie and don't worry about being seven weeks. I was that six days ago and I ovulated day 13 or something so you should be a bit behind. Also the sonographer said to me that it's really hard to date at this stage which is why they wait till 11 weeks at least. The progress is the important part Hey welcome back to the UK!!!

MLS how are you doing honey? what time is the appointment tomorrow? I'm so glad the dh formerly known as arseface has been so lovely. Big hugs to you xxx

cupcake I miss you too. Sorry I missed your partee but I'll definitely come to the next one!! Fingers crossed for you this month. When are you testing? we need those bfps!!

Neeko lol at your potty training My friend tried bribery with a smartie for every successful em "output" but quickly realised that her little girl was holding most of it in each time and going to the loo up to 60 times a day to maximise her smarties

moon I know how you feel. We told friends of ours (a couple) about it as DH was worried that when we went away with them that they would start making stupid comments such as when are you guys going to have a baby etc? Anyway despite telling them to keep it to themselves, the stupid cow announced it at a dinner party to everyone there. I'm still so angry with her for using our grief as gossip, especially as we knew everyone there but hadn't told most of them It makes me so sad to think of you going through this now, it is such a hard time but it will get better honey xxx

jools Yay for operation seduction. Early is good, sorts out those stale ould swimmers - only the best for your eggs I got a few comments like yours from well meaning people. Like making me feel that the first one didn't count because it was 'only' 5 and a half weeks, or telling me that I should avoid stress next time, as if I had lost my babies because I have a stressful job, and that was something I should have managed better. Anyway, they can take it all back when you're up the duff and proving them wrong

hoping that's rubbish, sorry about the job and about AF. Things have got to start looking up for you soon honey xxx You really are such a sweetheart. I would love an emmsys graduate hat but maybe later on when things are a bit more bigpantish and certain

mermaid international woman of mystery, nosey curly just googled you . What a fab business, totally didn't understand it but lets just say my brother would probably fall madly in love with you I tried to get referred to St Marys for my last pregnancy as it's very handy for Greenwich. They are really well respected for both pregnancy and MC research. If you do get an appointment there, you are more than welcome to stay here for your visit. I love showing off our newly done up spare room anyway

vjay and annie i don't know how you are coping with this heat. I'm sending you some icecream to cool you down. Yay for extra school funds for your lovely little boy Vjay Enjoy your time off Annie

4ever what a cow you are working with I'm tempted to come over and give her a wallop, though that might look a bit OTT seeing as she's pregnant. Ignore her, it will be you soon I won't be able to lurk till tomorrow evening but I'll keep you posted on any news then.

Sabs lovely to see you, how are things going at work? I'm dealing with someone pretty horrible myself at the moment who tries to undermine me at every opportunity. I told my boss I was considering putting a complaint in against this guy for bullying which he seemed to take seriously enough... till he disappeared off to the pub after work with this same person. Grrrr

kate your loved up post brought a tear to my eye It's nice to see you posting again. We missed you

gracie when I was googling for you and saw people with similar symptoms to yours, it was in the early days and I think went after 8 or 9 weeks. This is great . I'm getting another scan on the 17th which is two weeks away. I know it means going for another private scan but do you wanna be my scan buddy and get one too so that you feel more reassured?!!

mm i love your big pants. Thanks for the advice re MS. The doctor has offered drugs but I'm trying to hold out for a while. I just worry about impact on the baby which is silly because my sister tried a number of different ones and had to have drugs right throughout her pregnancy and my gorgeous little nephew is perfect! Hey it's lovely to hear from you. I still smile when I think of you being pregnant, knowing how hard things have been before

blue I just got your email address from gracie, YAYYY I love this sharing details business, none of us are ever without news for too long.

baking there were months that we didn't even bd at the right time but i would still be gutted getting that BFN. The 2ww is really hard but hopefully we'll have lots of good news this month, including a BFP from you

I'm pooped but it's nice to catch up with you lovely ladies. Big hello to lion iggy ginger and scorpio

Forgot to say very unterested in the baby asprin theory to prevent mc think I might give it a go next time I get a bfp! Loving the challenge of a bfp before this thread ends not sure I will make it before the end with all this chatting! On day 10 should be doing the every other bd but this hot weather has put a stop to that due to rain tomorrow and temp to drop so could maybe start some serious bd after that! Trying to be more relaxed this month after getting so upset about bfn but that could all change in the 2ww!

So pleased to hear your scan went well Mollie how lovely that you can feel your bean moving x

Evening ladies. Hope you all well.

So glad to hear the scans went wellBarbie and Mollie*

*Mermaid-im taking aspirin too, 75mg aspirin, known as low dose or baby aspirin, i started taking it the day i got my BFP, and out of the five pregnancies ive had, this has been the only pregnancy i havent had any spotting, could be coincidental, but who knows?

VJay-Glad babba is in right position, lets hope he stays that way for next 8 weeks or so.

Hoping-I would love one of your emmsys hats, how kind of you. As others of said, make sure you keep some wool for knitting your own babbas hat

Love to all, off to sleep in a minute, im off work for 17 days now,yeyy!!

mollie so glad to hear from you and the scan went well. What a wonderful moment when you first feel your baby moving, it's very reassuring, enjoy.

Mollie I'm really pleased for you!

mollie glad everything is OK!

Phew - you had us starting to worry there

mollie i am very pleased for you and your lovely bean, glad things are all ok

Sorry to keep you waiting and thank you all for thinking of me and Barbie much appreciated . Delighted to say more good news for today, scan went really well, baby was jumping around like a mad thing, in fact I felt it for the first time last night and again today, amazing! They think the bleed was caused by a low lying placenta over the cervix, consultant came to check things over too which made me feel loads better Just told me to take it easy and told DH to look after me (I love my consultant)
Just 4 weeks until the next one now

Gosh there is a lot to catch up with, and Im a bit tired so apologies for the short post.

MLS How are things with you? I've been thinking of you and Moon lots over the last few days
Hoping Definate order from me for hats and booties very useful for a December baby
MM Congrats on graduating fellow big pants girl
VJay So pleased you finally got your funding, hurray!
Gracie So glad you have got some sleep finally
I'm trying so hard to do a proper catch up but I'm going to have to admit defeat as I'm so tired
Thank you again girls for being there for me, it makes me get all emotionally and teary seeing all the messages

barbie for you and your sticky bean

mermaid i actually wasn't going to admit this, but seeing as you did.... dishcloths are all i can knit too! i made one for my nan one year for christmas, i must have been about 8? it took me months and i kept getting fluff up my nose! my nan died a few years ago but she always kept that holey dishcloth bless her.

mm congrats on making your way up to bigpants (what i wrote first said filling your big pants but decided that could be taken the wrong way )

hoping you are so lovely to want to knit hats and booties for the ladies on here, that really is such a touching gesture.

waves to all the other lovely ladies xxxxx

bakingqueen if it makes you feel better I can only knit dishcloths my family got given them for years - actually thats a good christmas credit crunch idea.

hoping that is a lovely lovely idea see you are setting me off again.

gracie so glad you have had a couple of nights pain free.

Still no news from Mollie?

Hello just quickly popping in as dh home and wanting his tea! Congrats barbie so pleased to hear your news enjoy your flight homex. Any word from Mollie yet? Loving the emmsys graduate hat idea hoping it sounds so sweet and envy you being able to knit a scarf was the best I could ever make when I was at school p stuck to cross stitch but am so slow still making one for my friend when she was pregnant her dd is now 3! Good to see you back Kate x. Sorry to anyone I have missed dh giving me pitiful looks as his dinner still not on! Back later after he has been fed x

just popping into check on mollie and mls
Hope you are both okxxxxxxxx

neeko you have made me howl with laughter at the thought of me out with the window fitters, builders and consultants playing golf

just typing up the pattern I stole designed for the emmsy's graduate hat...has the option of knitting emmsys in pearl stitches across the front (designed to look like an extremely posh exclusive designer babywear make ) or just plain and smooth if you would feel uncomfortable about having emmsys written on your lo .

put your orders in now ladies! I'll be sending the pattern (along with contact details etc so I can send Sabs her baby knits soon!) to the emmsysonwardsandupwards address list...

Great news Barbie So pleased for you honey. have a fab time at home and enjoy spreading your good news.

Mollie I still have fingers crossed for you.

MM Great news for you too.

Hoping you are the sweetest. If I ever have an emmsy's graduate I'd be honoured to ut an emmsy's hat on him/her and it'd definitely go in the keepsake box. What a lovely symbol to teach a little one that the world is full of people who care if you only know where to find them. P.S. Hope your bleeding's implantation

mermaid Glad your appt went well. Clearly the golfing confused me

Gracie Enjoy the relief and try not to worry.

I'd love to join the BFPers in this thread but think like Jools said we talk too much. maybe next thread will be extra lucky.

Sorry for all those I've missed tonight. DD's bath time is calling. Great to see so many people back on the thread today

that sounds like a good challenge vjay im up for that !!!!

Any news yet mollie*????

*cupcake I think we got all the bfp's towards the end of the last thread, who's going to be testing soon? I hope we all get BFP's before I pop, how's that for a challenge....as long as it doesn't make me go too far over my due date

Well if you want a BFP from me on this thread, we'll have to stop talking so much, as I won't be testing for at least 16 days !

Any news Mollie*??

*Cupcake at no BFP for the whole thread, come on girls we need four to match the last thread I think!! If not we'll have to get 8 BFPs for the following thread.

Blue yes I'm going to see Duran Duran at Edinburgh Castle on the 16th - that's 2 weeks today! Though thats with my DH not with BF this time. I would get dodgy looks going away for the weekend with another man even if it is only my best friend. My DH used to work at the hospital in Falkirk.

Girls do you realise we have almost got through this entire thread without a BFP! Come onnnnn little beans!!

I allowed myself a mini fantasy earlier... my BIL just got engaged and they are planning a June 2010 wedding...I was thinking how nice it would be if DH and I had a littly of just a couple of months old to show off to the whole family...

Yey barbie I'm so pleased for you have a safe journey back home and have a lovely holiday.
mm welcome to the bigpanters, it all gets bigger from here
sabs you must be 28 weeks now, that is going fast. I feel like time is flying now, to the point where I forget how far along I am!
blue I am wilting too, we've just been into Inverness for a spot of shopping, didn't last long!

Forgot to say Neeko I'm from Falkirk, slap bang between Edinburgh and Glasgow so about 2 hours from you me thinks .

Sabs if you email the emmsys email address (on previous page) created by me and put your phone number or any details you like in it, I will forward it to whoever you ask me to.

oh I love logging on to good news - go barbie - fantastic fabulous news!!! I jus tknew it would be OK but didn't want to say in advance in my inimitable supersticious way. enjoy your holiday backk home, it couldn't come at a better time, bean safely snuggled in, DH about to turn 30, firneds and family around to wrap you in cotton wool - just perfect .

MMbigpants!!!!! I was hoping you'd be posting soon apres 12/13 week scan! Just fantastic news too and agree the difference between 11 and 12 weeks is amazing . Absolutely up for bump comparison meet up, maybe after both our 20-week scans but before we're in the waddling zone .

Mermaid - really pleased your consultantgolfer appointment went well and you were given lots of support, time and hugs. I also get so then again when I see v. v. young Mum's especially when they are smoking, it just breaks my heart. Re: asprin I get mine from Boots - yellow box, clearly marked 75mg and promoted for those who have had a heart attack! The only side effect I've wondered is if it caused my weeks of brown bleeding as it thins your blood .

Vjay - great news that baby is hea down! Any more ideas re: names? Also fab that you have secured funding for your DS - yay!

MLS - I second Jools with the no caffeine and lots and lots of water! Eggs too are v. good source of ttc protein.

Hoping - Emmsy's hats sound just wonderful, I'll order one please as having a winter baby and DS was June with masses of hair so no hat required . Mind and keep some wool for your own lo though!

Gracie - glad you got a good night's sleep and please try not to worry about symptoms, easier said than done I know... I happened upon an old episode of Will & Grace last night and thought of you and your BF! Are you still going to see Duran Duran this month? I'm still seeing Bruce Springsteen but may wrap myself in bubble wrap for fear of ending up in the mosh pit with lots of 40somethings .

Mollie - big waves and good thoughts for later x

I'm wilting now, going to lie down whilst DS still asleep.

<waves> to everyone else x

btw im a Londoner so happy to meet up with anyone (if im not busy with bubba!)

My BIL works in the IT dept of St.Mary's (not sure how thats relevant )

btw it seems as if everyone has exchanged number except mine. When did that all happen?? lol

Thinking of you Mollie

of course Barbie, I shall text you any news If you are PC less and need updates while you are away, just let me know - I like having important jobs to do !

Barbie I have texted 4ever the news as she's busy at home dealing with her window issues, she is really pleased for you!

barbie you sound so relieved and happy! sooo pleased it all went well. Have texted iggy the news and she says to tell you she is really happy for you!

yeah for barbie great amazing news !!!!!!!!!

good luck mollie xxxx

congrats on your big pants mm

been for nice walk with gracie dolly the collie is knacked and one hot dog lol

im trying to relax as on nights tonight oh the joy . i might start the asprin sounds a good idea.

hope everyone is ok xxxxxx big waves

hi girls!

Im rushing to pack as i still havent finished wanted to wish mollie good luck...

Thankyou jools for updating for me and the lovely text you sent!

I have a tummy scan, was a bit but she found the bean right away and she let me listen the the heartbeat!! im measuring 6 plus 5 so freaked a bit as i thought i was further on etc...the doctor (who i hadnt booked to see) took pity on me being a crying mess and let me have 10 mins of her time to reassure me. She said i couldnt class the i hour bleed on the 6h may as an af....and that because i got the bfp late my date were no good to me at all.....she is more than happy as things as progressed as much as they should of each time i have been in. She did also say that a tv scan is better for dating but as there was a clear picture and the heart beat was strong she didnt feel the need to do one.....

I cried so much i cant beleive the poor scanner lady got a good enough picture as my belly wobbled up and down!

Right ill catch up tomorrow once safely back in the uk...

jools can you do me one last favour sweetie? can you test me mollies news? as i wont be back here for 24 hours...ta very much, ill buy you a orange juice when i meet you in london one day (no wine as you will be preggers!!!)

gracie cheers you are the tops
mollie good luck.xxx

Woo hoo Barbie! thats brilliant news!! Enjoy your holiday in the UK, have a safe journey.

MMBigpants well done for swapping to Big Pants! I heard from *Scorpio today. She's 15 weeks now, everything is going well and she's due on Christmas Day.

Cupcake bless your DH for going out to buy you brazil nuts and herbal teas.

Hoping I think Cupcake is right, random spotting is pretty normal in the first cycle after miscarriage. If in doubt test next week.

Mermaid the aspirin you are looking for is 75mg. The 300mg tablet is for pain relief.

Barbie Fantastic news

My scan is at 3.40pm so will be back to catch up properly when I'm not at work

hoping I did think it was a little early for you to be getting AF.
It could be a number of things, including <whisper it> implantation bleed...
It could also be breakthrough bleeding which is quite common after miscarriage (and how neeko ended up with her strange cycle reputation!) I would leave it a week and if no further developments, test!

mermaid that made me all about the nurse giving you a bear hug! Bless!

mm yippeee!! More big pants! I love seeing that list grow; totally gives us all hope. Now we definitely need more medium-panters. Let's hope Iggy is getting lots of holiday bd

woo hoo barbie!

verdict seems to be in, will start the pattern drafting for the graduate knits!

umm ladies, question for you about AF after MC...AF has just turned out to be yet more spotting (well, brown CM to be honest), and AF not really due for another week. is this normal? is this AF just being cow and toying with me before she shows up?

Since I came off the pill I've either been pg or mcing so much I genuinely can't remember what's normal...

I also don't want to start thinking it's implantation bleeding or anything, only to be disappointed again

I gave him the night off last night May go and meet him in the pub after work though - every other night is the way to go isn't it

It may actually still be too early - I ov'ed on CD16 last cycle

jools I am such a country bumkin. Last time I lived in London they had handcarts and chestnut stalls I hope operation black basque is going smoothly by the way. I will have to think about 'indepth research' maybe if I book it the rule of pregnancy will happen.
I love the look of mm new name it kindda reads mmmmmmbigpants, I'm using the cadburys caramel bunny voice/ m&s lady voiceover!

Yes, congrats on the big pants MM I'd been wondering where you'd got to

Interesting re aspirin - I've also been told that it could potentially do harm, ie make you bleed out quicker if you do have a bleed and didn't have a clotting disorder ?

mm and vjay happy to hear your lo's are doing well too!

But did you ask him about his golf handicap ?

I am sure it is reassuring to know that nothing you did could have prevented what happened.

As for St Marys - I never even bothered opting for it as there were no appointments available on choose and book - perhaps they reserve appointments for more in depth research, rather than initial investigations.

From reading threads on here, it sounds like one of the top places to go and if you do come up, I will happily nip down to London f you want (am only 20 mins away) to say hi / help with LO / guide you through the tube network

mmbigpants we all needed such good news really pleased for you.xx
It is raining and stormy here enjoy the park.

yehayyyeeeeee just got back to see the good news for barbie bean and dh.xxxx

ok girls this is what my golfer has said on the asprin
as we all know loads of studies have been done he thinks give it a go it can't do any harm. I questioned that I did not have sticky blood but he still said to try. a big part of me thinks he may have been trying to get rid of loon in his office but there you are. so he said 75 would that be ml? or whatever a tablet is, and guessing that baby asprin.
He was very lovely actually, and it has all upset me a bit, horrid how it all sneaks back in. It was young pregnant girl morning god were they young I am talking 14 So by the time I get into the golfers office i am positivley clutching a zimmer and an incontency pad!

They have offered that I can go to St Marys in London..... he said I was not to worry about wasting nhs money (cos I do, have a ds etc) and that they get masses of research grants. He was not hopeful that they would find anything else..... but the research might benefit other women etc etc.
So there we have it 4 mc and no answers, appart from No.4 had tresomy7 of course. He said that with tresomy 7 from day one it was doomed that no amount of coffee, a sip of wine, lifting heavy things, too hot, cold, stand on crack of pavement walk under a ladder nothing could have changed or prevented it. so I guess i feel a little better for that.
Has anyone been to St Marys? Its a bloody long way to go

So I get back out and the nurse just gave me this huge bear hug, it was very touching actually which soon lost its rosey glow as I fought my way back through the smoking pregnant teenagers and their mothers very outside

Have to do some work all behind so love to all.xx

List update-

Small pants

babyinacorner ttc#2 cd 48 ?
Sophable ttc#1 cd 37 ?
gingermumi ttc#4 cd 27
hoping ttc #1 cd 23
cupcakefairy ttc#1 cd 22
mermaid ttc#2 cd 18
Neeko ttc#2 cd 16
iggypiggy ttc#1 cd 15
Jools ttc#1 cd 11
bakingqueen ttc#1 cd 10
4ever ttc#1 cd 9
Kate ttc#1 cd 5
becks ttc#2 cd?
Bluemoon
MLS

On a break?
cupoftea
littlebellsmum

Medium pants

Barbie BFP 6th June
Curly BFP 4th June
GracieGirl BFP 30th May
Scorpio

Big pants

VJay bigpants due 26/08/09
Lionstarbigpants due 26/09/09
Sabsbigpants due 26/09/09
Anniebigpants due 1/12/09
Molliemooma due 16/12/09
Bluesatinsash due 18/12/09
mm1509 due 5/1/10

Hi girls finally feel confident enough to update the list and put on some big pants.........those medium ones were getting too tight tbh. Got another scan yesterday and all looks good, lo was moving and wriggling about like mad. It's amazing the difference two weeks makes, we could make everything out this time. Now have started to feel like this is really happening this time and I am soooo excited.

barbie know you can't read this just now but got your text and fantastic news, I knew it would all be good.

MLS haven't posted on here yet but you sound like you are very brave and coping as well as you can, you go and insist on an ERPC if that's what you choose. I had two ERPCs and at least after them I felt I could begin to move on physically. Love your TTC list.

vjay your in the home straight now girl, can imagine how you are feeling in the heat, I am bad enough just now and I am only 13 weeks.

hoping loving the idea of the hat and booties, what a lovely thought.

mollie thinking about you today but I am confident everything will be fine, it doesn't take much to take us back a few steps. Will be checking to see how you get on.

curly oh I am know how you feel hun with the sickness, it might be an idea to ask your GP for some anti-sickness meds, it took three attempts before they found one that would work for me but it has gave me some form of life back. Mine is gradually easing off now and I am reducing the meds but it really did make such a difference.

blue need to catch up on fb, I think a meetup to compare bumps will be on the cards in the coming months, don't you think. Hope you are good.

gracie glad you have had two nights sleep with no pain, you deserve it, try not too worry too much about symptoms easing off for a couple of days, just catch up on your rest while you get the chance hun.

sabs lovely chatting to you on fb the other night.

Need to go DD is nagging me to go to the park...........oh the thought it's just too hot, going to grin and bear it I guess, feel an ice-cream moment (or two) coming on. Big waves to jools, 4ever mermaid, annie, neeko, kate, iggy, cupcake, baking, moon, lion and anyone I have missed. Take care ladies xxx

Wow you girls have been chatty overnight! I went out to see the very lovely Christian Bale and Johnny Depp last night...swoon!

Yaaaaaaayyy Barbie!! So SO pleased for you Really hope you can totally relax and enjoy your time back in the UK now

Vjay great news about baby being in the right position

mermaid thinking of you today seeing your golfer... hope it's productive. I'm not as jangly as I was the other day...today is more of a floaty headscarf day so I feel quite bohemian!

hoping I also LOVE the idea of you knitting away lots of little booties! So cute. I did learn to knit once but it was at snail's pace! Sorry af got you and you won't be my testing buddy next month is the one.

neeko I am desperately trying not to symptom spot, even though I have been waking up v early which I never usually do - I'm putting it down to the heat for now! (But if I'm honest with myself, I'll be totally gutted if we didn't make a holiday baby )
DH was so sweet, he went to a health food shop yesterday and got me more brazil nuts, and a variety of different herbal teas so I can keep cutting down my caffeine intake

MLS glad you are coping ok and that dh is home with you this afternoon (and no longer being an arseface )

Gracie yay for sleep!

Mollie here's another hand for you to hold!

Curly staaaaay! I miss you...

Moon sorry you're finding things particularly tough at the mo - boo to insensitive people!

Hi bakingqueen sorry about the tonsilitis...did you not go to Take That then??

Ok I'll stop before this becomes a mammoth post again!

thats fantastice news!

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Message from Barbie

"Normal scan. 7 weeks and heart heartbeat ! "

Just about to go out for a walk with MrsKate and Dolly the Collie. If there's any news from Barbie will someone text me?

Neeko I've just had 2 nights with no pain at all. I don't know whether to be relieved or scared as last time a major symptom disappeared it wasn't good news. Trying to ignore the nagging doubt and be relieved that I've actually had some sleep.

Vjay i bet this heat is driving you mad. Really pleased to hear the midwife says everything is ok.

No news from Barbie yet?

Mollie is your scan later this afternoon?

MLS urgh - grapefruit juice is nasty!

Hoping Loving the idea of Emmsys graduate hats and bootees.

Hi, just popped in to see how barbie and mollie are.
mls you made me chuckle finding my thread. I did ask my gp at the time about aspirin, so she did a blood coagulation test and all was fine so I didn't need to take it.
sabs beat me to your lovely booties hoping, I shall need to be quicker next time

Just seen the mw, baby is head down and all is fine, so I'm off to put my feet up, this heat is doing me in

Mollie I think you & Blue are converting all of us non-aspirin takers.

Hoping fantastic idea for Emmsy's hats.

Shit, I forgot I'd have to start drinking that godawful grapefruit juice again. I don't drink tea or coffee so I'm ok on that front & after the last mc I started drinking caffeine-free diet coke. It feels like everything we do from the vitamins we take to what we drink is all geared towards getting pregnant & then not losing the baby.

<forgets she's not supposed to be actively trying for the moment> where do you get this baby asprin from? definitely sounds worth it just for the sake of feeling you're doing something!

If you ladies liked the idea of an emmsy's baby hat or baby booties, I would honestly love to design/knit them...I knit at granny speed so a pair of booties = 3 evenings watching telly, so not too arduous! I could do with the therapy of doing something nice for expectant mummies without feeling bitter about it! Plus if I could draw up a pattern all you knitters out there could make your own

Any thoughts?

MLS Just a quickie as lurking at work for news of Barbie I'm doing the same as Blue following 3m/c's started baby aspirin with this pg and am now 16 wks and counting, could be coincidence but I'm converted

Stock up on caffeine free tea bags - I've read a few comments where people have been told by recurrent MC consultants to cut out caffeine altogether.

Lots and lots of water aswell to increase all that lovely EWCM

You forgot the grapefruit juice!!!!!!

So that'll be 2 brazil nuts, 1 aspirin, 1 vitamin b6 & 1 Pregnacare..... any advances???

Can't hurt MLS

Blue that is very interesting. So you had 2 mc & now you are pregnant & progressing nicely & are taking aspirin. It might have nothing to do with it but anything is worth a shot.

Morning all.
First of all sincere apologies for laughing in your time of need MLS but I had a giggle at you sounding like an old soak and justifying your vodka drinking after midday! If you feel the need before that, just pretend you're in Dubai visiting Barbie! Seriously, you are being so strong and doing so well. Insist on the ERPC and prepare yourself to rip open that brown envelope. We'll be here every step of the way.

Barbie and Mollie looking forward to hearing your good news.

Moon at you feeling so hurt. I think you should just be honest. In my experience the people who genuinely care will still ask and the others can get lost!

Hoping What a lovely gesture. Love, love, love the idea of an Emmsy's baby hat. Think it's a great symbol of the hope and love that's in this thread. I know I feel lucky to have met such a special bunch of ladies. Really sorry AF got you. I did the secret hoping for a lucky bean after my MC too. Another dream, however secret and unlikely, not realised is heartbreaking Remember Curly's idea: yesterday could be the 1st day of your pregnancy.

Speaking of Curly Sorry you're still suffering but do come on and tell us. All healthy pregnancy news gives us hope

I hope all you ladies in slightly stretchy - very stretchy - can't-possibly-stretch-much-more pants are coping with the heat.

Cupcake How's the symptom spotting going?

Gracie How's the pain? have you told may people in RL yet?

Jools loving that you have wholeheartedly embraced the rose idea. Hoping that's the key to BD success this month.

Mermaid enjoy all things golf. rather you than me!

4ever hello lovely. How are you coping this week? Are you going for the opks this month?

Iggy if you're lurking. Hope you're having a great holiday and the BDing's going to plan.

Blue Glad to hear you're keeping so busy. Do you have a nice wee bump now? Where are you based again? something tells me you're not too far from me in Prestwick.

Kate Hope you're still loved up!

I'm now on day 16 and sticking to the every other day thing. Trying not to think about the fact that I could have another 7 week cycle. I've had no spotting this time so hope that's a positive. It's rubbish when you can't trust your body.

Sorry for those I've missed. I'm having holiday amnesia!

Couldn't remember what CD I was, so went list hunting

List update-

Small pants

babyinacorner ttc#2 cd 48 ?
Sophable ttc#1 cd 37 ?
gingermumi ttc#4 cd 27
hoping ttc #1 cd 23
cupcakefairy ttc#1 cd 22
mermaid ttc#2 cd 18
Neeko ttc#2 cd 16
iggypiggy ttc#1 cd 15
Jools ttc#1 cd 11
bakingqueen ttc#1 cd 10
4ever ttc#1 cd 9
Kate ttc#1 cd 5
becks ttc#2 cd?
Bluemoon
MLS

On a break?
cupoftea
littlebellsmum

Medium pants

Barbie BFP 6th June
Curly BFP 4th June
GracieGirl BFP 30th May
Scorpio
MM

Big pants

VJay bigpants due 26/08/09
Lionstarbigpants due 26/09/09
Sabsbigpants due 26/09/09
Anniebigpants due 1/12/09
Molliemooma due 16/12/09
Bluesatinsash due 18/12/09

Hoping If you email me on emmsysonwardsandupwards@live.co.uk I can pass your contact details onto Sabs who is a friend of mine on Facebook. I set up that email for this very purpose, its how we got each others mobile numbers.

Just a quick hello as really need to get some housework done before it gets too warm good luck for today to barbie and Mollie will lurk later for news also just to say am thinking of you mls hoping it will all be over soon for you good sign buying the opks love to you all x

MLS - I'm taking low dose asprin on advice of gynae consultant who did my ERPC and follow up meeting to discuss my 2 mcs. As Mermaid says don't think you can have sticky blood if you've had a DC but it causes no side effects on baby and does make you feel you're doing something positive! I started taking mine one month before we started ttc again and still take one a day. HTH, stay strong and I was exactly the same, ttc is the only way to get over the heartbreak - you go girl.

Ooh barbie thinking of you!

sabsbigpants you got there first, the baby knits are all yours! At least 4 little babbies have worn booties and hats made from this pattern, so properly field tested as baby proof I'll pop them in the post for you, if we can figure out a way to share addresses without posted them on here

mermaid oh I didn't mean to make you cry!

AF turned up good and proper this morning, guess after the MC my cycle is still all over the place. Grr. Still as DH keeps reminding me, we're not actively trying right now. He thought we should take a break, I got panicky about wasting time (see early posts!) so seeing what happy accidents await was the compromise. Didn't stop me sulking last night when AF unpacked her suitcase and put the kettle on

Sorry no time to catch up but just wanted to say Barbie I'm thinking of you, will be keeping an eye out for updates

Big hello to everyone else

ok girls im off, its 10.21 and an half an hour drive...meeting dh for lunch and to drink lots of fluids...only 3 hours left...jools will post for me xxxx

curlygreenface oh you poor lady - you have to complain lots, we like hearing you complain its our silver lining in all this sadness that you have really bad ms and are totally up the duff However seroiusly it must be dreadful in ths weather lots of green leafy stuff if you can stand it and go really easy on yourself. exams and all your haring around no wonder you are cream crackered.xxx

barbie plastic bags essential items and a bin liner. You will be needing a fork lift truck.
*good luck barbie and Mollie*

both my golf player and drs all said if you have had one dc then you will not have sticky blood/ asprin need. but I have read so much conflicting advice. I reckon it can't hurt and if it acts as a bit of a placebo then fab try it.
mls you are at the can't sleep google stage thinking of you.

sabs always miss you, hope all is well.xxx

hey girls. Just wanted to offer my hand to barbie and mollie today. I'll be lurking for news xxx

Thinking of you too mls and hoping you are ok

Sorry I haven't posted much. Still really struggling with ms keep practically no food down, i've just no energy and don't want to be on here constantly complaining about such a normal part of pregnancy when I know how bloody lucky I am to get this far. Still lurking and thinking of u all tho back later for proper post xxx

Btw, Vjay have you been taking aspirin in this pregnancy?

Barbie good luck for today. If your scan is at 2pm, what time is it over there now?

Something just made me smile. Was googling two miscarriages & found a mn link to a thread of Oct last year. Was reading through it & found that the person who started the thread & was asking the question 'will I be able to conceive again after two miscarriages in four months' was our lovely Vjay!

Hi everyone....im totally trying to wastes as much time as possiblw before 2pm.

jools has my number so will kindly update any news i have. Should with any luck be back on later as we dont fly until 2am tomorrow morning. I hope im back with good news. mollie thinking about you too....

mls brave lady, the fact that you are posting and talking about opk sticks is a sigh of what a strong person you are. I wish you all the best over the next few heartbreaking days, i hope your family somehow help you through the worse of the darkness and towards the sun that you will some day see at the end of a lonely but all to familar dark tunnel...

sabs hello lovely, havent spoken for so long...i miss our fb chats, when im back ill catch up x

mermaid so cant wait to be home planning a trip to cornwall for the pasty that im craving...with any luck the weather will hold out and i can take a stroll around padstow with the gaggle of tourist that seem to flock there every july....ah happy days!

hoping what a lovely gesture with the booties...it made me cry for some reason one day honey you will have a whole 9 months to knit as much as you want for you own little one...but it will be sods law that you give birth in the summer in a middle of a heat wave!

moon we have all had the insensitive comments after mc...the worse one i had was from my boss who asked if "my little problem had been sorted out yet" meaning is the mc so it wont affect your work anymore. For the first few weeks i was polite but buy this time i just said what was on my mind she didnt stay my boss for very much longer! Some times its best to be honest with people because sometimes they really do struggle to know the pain we go through...others are just insensitve ass wipes who you shouldnt hold back from

ditto about pregnant ladies avioding us because they think we are bad luck or they can catch having a mc from us like wtf??? Sadly mc is still such a tatboo subject for many which means some people are poorly educated on the matter. This is way our thread is sooooo special....we understand and we can say what we want!!!

Hello to the rest of you, i have to pack, clean the fridge and find a nail file for my festival kit on the advice of mermaid

Imight not be around so much over the next few weeks but im lurking and thining about you all....

Take care and keep out of trouble!! big hugs xxx

hi mermaid and gg hope you're ok....

hi annie hope you feel ok in this lovely hot weather

mollie lovely and mellow (I know you are trying to be) will be soooooo thinking of you tomorrow.xxxx

barbie ditto for you young lady everything crossed and safe and fair winds bring you home for lots of cuddles with your mum and family.xxx

jools loving your mellow sounding evening, nice to hear you sounding much happier and positive.

hoping you made me cry which doesn't happen often enough iykwim, bloody words eh? it helps to be here.xx

moon euch euch and euch to your day and your friend and life in general at the minute. It is so early days honey, we will all somehow get there in the end.xxxx

will be out tomorrow cos seeing a man about some golf - forgot all about it till just now and been running round trying to find letter, clean nic nacs etc etc

mls hope you manage some sleep at some point. You must be drained and exhausted.xx

Just popping in to offer my hands to hold for Mollie and Barbie for their scans tomorrow.

Moon well done for holding it together whilst looking at scan pictures. You have a rant, that's what we're here for.

MLS in my case I had an ERPC to remove the womb lining and empty sac, as 4 weeks after the baby had died I'd still not bled at all. Otherwise I think it would break down and you would pass it eventually. Well done for forward thinking to be ordering stuff from Babymad.

just a quick post to wish barbie and mollie good luck for tomorrow.

hoping if any other bigpanters havent already asked, I would love to have the baby booties and hat, thanks....

Hope everyone else is ok and not suffering too much in the heat...

Popping in to say good luck for tomorrow barbie and safe journey home, and good luck to mollie too.

Hoping-what a lovely thoughtful gesture.

jools-ive had all those 'helpful' comments too, the-do you not think you've left it too late, or well, its for the best-natures way and all that and you need to give your body a break-all said by friends who have no idea what it is like to have experienced one mc, never mind three.

Love to everyone.

I love the thought of bean being sometimes reabsorbed, so still being with you I am pretty sure this is what happened to me last time and I never thought of looking it like that before.

Just quaffing a nice cold glass of rose

Glad you are as OK as you can be MLS*

*Hoping - love the thought of those precious booties

Moon rant away !

now DH is decorating I can get on the Mac again!

moon that is awful, people who haven't had MCs just don't understand what a painful and private thing it is. Maybe the pg ladies aren't avoiding you because mc are "catching", maybe they just realise that with their happy baby bumps there is nothing they can say or do to make it better? I find no matter how caring and sympathetic pg friends are, all I want to do is scream "but you have your baby, how can you possibly understand!?!" even the ones who had mcs before

barbie crossing fingers for you! the ms sounds like a good sign, but really hope it passes as soon as you know everything's OK! crossing fingers for you too gracie*

*MLS really hoping the worst is over now <still holding your hand>

cupcake afraid you're testing without me next week spotting's started so think AF is on her way sometime next week

Thank you all for the hair stroking, hand holding & good wishes. I'm back to waiting for things to happen which I can't believe as I was in so much pain this morning I was doing my labour breathing exercises. Lovely dh (formerly known as arseface) came home with two huge bars of Green & Blacks creamy milk chocolate. He's going to work from home tomorrow afternoon so I've only got the morning on my own with dd. We have relatives down to stay from Scotland from Friday so I hope things get moving tonight or tomorrow. GG what happens to the sac if the baby is absorbed?

Moon well done for keeping it together while you looked at your friends scan pics. If people ask how you feel then just say "I feel utterly shit & completely empty actually". Who gives a crap if it makes them feel uncomfortable... good, piss off with your scan pics, your gaggle of easily conceived children & your misplaced sympathy.

Hoping nice gesture with your booties & hat. It must make you feel like crying just looking at them.

Neeko How are you doing today? Have you had more little wee-soaked knickers to deal with?

Jools I'm pissed off on your behalf for what your friend said about leaving it too late. Lots of women have babies when their older than us. Wasn't Cherie Blair 45 when she had her last one? As for giving your body a rest - arse to that. This morning I received a brown envelope containing 10 x opk's & 10 x hpt's. I don't know any other way to recover from a mc other than to try again asap.

4ever that must have been painful having a trapped clot in your cervix. No I don't have anything else except for ibuprofen but if I get any pain after midday I'll be using ibuprofen washed down with vodka.

Blue will definitely ask for erpc on Friday if I need medical management.

Thinking about Barbie & Mollie for tomorrow, please let us know your news asap.

Aww Hoping what a lovely gesture and hat's off (padon the pun) for being able to knit!

moon - at your friend for betraying your confidence. I was also asked at work if I'd lost weight and that I was 'looking too thin' last time but they didn't know I'd been pg just that I'd mysteriously lost weight over xmas when most folk put on a stone.

MLS - so glad the worst seems to be over. I agree with Gracie that natural can unfort. take a few weeks to all come away even if scan shows nothing left. I had repeat contraction-type cramping two weeks later followed by plum size clot that night. Phoned gynae who said it was just the remains of womb lining finally shedding . All of the above was why I demanded an ERPC 2nd time around.

Barbie and Mollie - will be thinking about you both tomorrow my lovelies x

awww hoping thats such a lovely idea xx

<shuffles into room carrying baby booties and hat> I just found these while I was tidying up. I knit them for a friend's baby while I was pregnant for the second time, but when I lost that one I couldn't bring myself to wrap them up and send them on. They're newborn size so my friend's baby is now far too big for them.

Would any of you big pants ladies like them? You've all been so lovely to me, I'd really like to give something back.

moon good to see you're back, been thinking about you.

Will post properly to you all in a little bit

oh and i forgot, everyone keeps asking if i've lost weight. yes i have, but i also lost my baby too...

evening ladies

mls heres another hand for holding, hope you are ok.

phew isn't it hot. i had to laugh at the hair straightening posts, i always straighten mine, its a horrible wavy mass otherwise, but luckily i tied mine back today so not much could happen to it!

had a bit of a crap day today, my friend with the same edd as me came in with her scan pics, i think i did a good job of being genuinely happy whilst holding back the tears. but later i was very with her as i found out she told someone about my mcs when i asked her to keep it to herself. i was just coming out of the toilets and this poor lady said to me how are you, i know about your mcs, and i said how do you know in not very nice terms! i know she only cares but i feel like she betrayed me. and one of the other pg ladies is avoiding me so i guess she knows too.

and i'm fed up of people saying are you better. no i'm not but what would you do if i said no?! so i'm biting my tongue and saying yes thank you then swiftly changing the subject.

sorry again for the me post, feel a bit at having a rant when poor mls is having a hard time, but i needed to get it off my chest. and i know you all know what i'm talking about.

hope everyone is keeping cool-ish in this heat, lots of ice cream is the only way i'm afraid!

Hi, Sorry I've not been on. Very busy day today. Glad we swapped numbers though as would have hated to have come back on to find that no one could check on MLS I really think you should push for a scan on Friday so they can see what's going on that you have to suffer even more now.

Good luck to Barbie and Mollie for tomorrow. I'll be thinking of you both. safe journey home Barbie

Big waves to all the rest of you.

MLS in case you are lurking later, I couldn't really explain all this in a text. There is a chance with a small fetus that you might not pass it at all. With my MMC I had a scan at 10 weeks which clearly showed a deceased 6.5 week fetus. During the next week I had no bleeding at all. Had another scan at 11 weeks and there was no fetus at all but an empty yolk sac. Their explanation was that it has been reabsorbed back into my body. In a way it had then become part of me. They did say that if I'd not have gone for the private scan at 10 weeks they would have assumed it to be a blighted ovum where there had been no fetus in the first place. I did end up having an ERPC in the end though as I never started bleeding and my HCG was still so high.

MLS if there is anything we can do to help we are all here.

Neeko got back to me and said the same re MLS - sorry to bother you *Neeko and thankyou

Fingers crossed for scans tomorrow and hoping it is all over soon for MLS I'm logging off the work network and heading into the garden to check on my strawberries, peas and tomatoes and eat a Solero (I haven't been anywhere that stocks mini milks yet !)

Mermaid there's no danger at all of me doing any housework! I'm just lying still and trying not to get too hot.

BakingQueen its far too hot to do baking in this heat! Get back on your swingseat and eated another Mini milk!!

Barbie LOL at you turning into your Mum! have my hand to hold for your scan tomorrow.

grace send our love to mlsxxxxx

toilet paper, nail file, compass, torch, hairstraighteners

Yes I know exactly what you mean about wanting to feel so ms with preg hormones winging around. But you must surely be getting a bit fedup cos what you have described sounds awful. and stop cleaning and sit down

matches, more toilet paper, rizlas they are handy for writing people telephone nos. on

bakibngqu ouch at your throat mini mlks sound just the thing, hope you are feeling better.
Now can everyone stop doing housework its too hot.xxx

hello sorry just a quick post. I've just heard from MLS, she says her pain has eased off a bit now.

oh gosh...im turning into my mum!!! im packing a first aid kit for the festival! most 30 year olds will be thinking of what drugs to take and the best way to carry the beer, while im thinking of a spare sewing kit and plasters!

No toilet in our yurt, i have to share....im just going to pretend im hungover or drunk and find the nearest bush! (not for toliet action, just sick!!!)

hi mermaid i dont want too seem ungrateful at beig pregnant in a weird way i like that im feeling so rough, it gives me more hope i wasnt nearly half as bad last time....ive taken to cleaning the loo's just to take my mind of tomorrow?

I just to laugh at my mum who used to clean the house top to bottom before going on holiday, now im doing just the same!

I mean have not havey really need to get internet connected so I can read posts before I send them! X

Hello everyone sorry not been around for a few days. My plans for champagne at a party and take that got ruined by tonsillitis over the weekend so spent it in bed! Then been baking in this heat so much housework to do and so far done none but have had a snooze on my swingseat and two strawberries from my garden so a very productive day oh and I eated a mini milk as well as they were on offer in supermarket got loads! Only scan read the thread so sorry not a my best in this heat but thinking of you mls I hope your ok let us know on here sending you a virtual hug and a hand to hold x good luck for your scans tomorrow Mollie and barbie will havey fingers crossed for you both x

mls hope you are as ok as can possibly be. In my thoughts.x

barbie you poor thing am hoping that your yurt thing at the festival has its own private chemical loo. Maybe/ hopefully when you come home, less heat etc your tummy will settle down.
leading me onto gracie hope you too are ok and are either clutching a sick note or are working lightly.

curly please report in!

jools at least your gym is near a m&s food hall

cupcake are you stil jingly gangly today? have a good evening.x

thanks jools, i do worry about all you girls so much!
Im just saving your number into my phone so i can text you tomorrow....

have texted Neeko

who has neeko number then???

Neeko has her number... I don't think it's gone round the email address thing. Really hope she is ok

Barbie sounds horrible about the sickness sorry love... hope it is just your bean getting nice and cosy and it will ease up soon.

anyone got mls number?? can we call her?? im worried if her dh isnt back and she needs some help or something

Barbie - have sent you my number thru Facebook

I used to have IBS as bad as you describe - a lot was brought on by stress I think.

One of my triggers used to be garlic, so I could only eat food containing garlic if I knew I'd be near a loo for an hour afterwards. I ate small meals and tried to keep them quite bland. Bio yoghurt helped, as did peppermint tea - both seem to settle the stomach.

MLS - I am worried too Hoping you are OK and being waited on hand and foot by DH

oh i would kill for a marks and spenser chicken and stuffing sandwich right now....barbie starts drooling but worries it might be the watery sick so runs off again!!!

jools you made me snort with laughter!!!

mls im worried about you, can you do a quick post to let us know you are ok...big hugs xxx

anyone heard from curly v quiet from her lately....

Ok if some one gives me there mobile i will text them after my scan tomorrow and allow you to update here as it will be ages til i can get to the computer again...dont all fight over such a brilliant offer

Im shitting myself about tomorrow only because i really dont think it will bad news as im feeling v pregnant and having v bad morning sickness...silly really as i never thought i would let myself get carried away but it seems this time i have dont know what to do in the event of bad news...

Ok disclaimer if you are eating do not read the next part....

I think i have ibs, it started about 3 months ago and after speaking to the doctor i have all the symptoms but she wont do further test due to the pregnancy. The thing is everytime i eat i need the bathroom with in minutes and then when i feel really sick (normally one eposide an hour) i am gagging like mad over the toilet, but all that come up is water due to having nothiing in my tummy. Im constantly eating due to feeling hungry but nothing seems to stay long (if you get my drift) anyone else had this?? what can i do?? I sit crying over the toilet due the the horrible feeling of gagging, my poor tummy muscles from all the tensing!..
Im starting to dread the festival now, as i cant be more than 5 mins from a bathroom i cant believe that i wanted morning sickness

Ok have to run another bout of it now....ill be back!!!

Good news vjay

Just to update your mental image Mermaid - since my back, although not right, is not as painful today, I decided to go to a spinning class at lunchtime as I was desperate for some of those exercise endorphins !

Imagine a 5 foot 3 inch beetroot, add in a vision of somebody who has had a shower with her tracksuit bottoms on and picture them staggering down the road, swigging from a water bottle like it is nectar from the gods and being afforded a VERY wide berth when she stumbles through M&S on the hunt for lunch !!

Yay Vjay that's so cool and hopefully makes the whole benefits-nightmare a little better...

MLS as mermaid said, there are no words just know we are all here holding your hand! Really feel for you is there someone who can look after your dd?

4ever I second what everyone's said- grrr! I remember not really knowing what to say to a friend who had miscarried before I went through it though - I think it is just so alien to people who haven't been through it. One thing I am glad of having miscarried is that I know I will be able to support any of my friends/sisters/daughters who might go through it too in my lifetime. (I hope they don't, obviously, but you know what I mean.)

mls hope you are ok and dh is with you now.

jools you are so right, people who haven't had mc's just don't get it at all, what your friend said is rubbish, it's not too late and I didn't give my body much rest in between. One friend said to me after my second, wouldn't it be better if I gave up???wtf???

mermaid here's a look for you, I straightened my hair this morning, as usual, but now with all the lovely sweat it's gone really wavy, and not in a nice way!

Saw ds's headmaster today and there is money in the pot for him to have extra support next school year yey

so we have blue looking like Carol Decker and jools listening to gobbledegook and mning classic.

hear, not here

gaaaaaaahhhh I am on the most interminable, boring conference call ever in the history of boring conference calls, listening to contributors who's first language isn't English and struggling to understand what they are trying to say !!

A friend of mine who has 3 lovely girls between 1 and 5 yrs old asked me about mc's, so I told her quite a bit, including telling her about the most recent one she didn't know about.

She IS supportive but just doesn't understand - suggested that maybe I've left things too late and also suggested I give my body a rest after having 3 mc's of varying severity in ten months - neither were things I wanted to here !

Tis very true that unless you have been through mc, you just don't understand, don't know what to say ....

oh MLS - its horrible this bit just horrible . All of us who have had to cope with natural mc know exactly what your going through, the painful contractions and clots that never end. It will be over soon and you can start to heal once more.

4ever - so so at your colleague, as mermaid says - has she no empathy or basic human kindness . The bad karma backlash will bite her on the arse one day, you'll see.

Jools - yay! for you last night.

Sitting at desk with fan blasting today, lovely and cool but have massive 80's hair with all the blowing about .

mls oh honey hopefully your knight in shining armour is home. There are never the words for these moments but you know we are all thinking of you all.xxxxxx

jools yeahey mission july it is then that is ace. Also congrats on quiz night - did you know what the maiden name of Buzz aldrins mum was? Moon what a nice coincidence, fab quiz question that one

4ever It is a weird thing this 'catching mc' air - I wonder if people are so scared for themselves maybe? I cant really believe that women cannot be emphatic with other women.

will pop back later also to say good luck vibes out to mollie barbie and annie soon too.

curly hope you are feeling a bit better and not so sick in this heat.x

morning hoping hope everything feels a bit better todayx

mls everything crossed that today is over as soon as possible for you.xxx

<holds MLS hand so she know she not on her own right now>

Oh s* MLS you poor honey.. Have you got co-dydromol? Nothing else usually touches it but they do zonk you.. I hope it passes quickly.. Keep us posted, glad DH is on his way.. With my 1st natural mmc I ended up getting an ambulance to hospital & put on morphine, contractions were every oth min but was trapped in my cervix which is why it was so bad, so they had to remove it with smear type contraption & forceps. I sincerely hope it doesnt come to that for you, but dont be a martyr, if you need help, get it hon... xxxx

Feel guilty to moan now, not posting didnt last long. Just preg ex manager with my edd is practically ignoring me totally now. Used to be a good friend, round my house & everything, now its like she cant bare to look at me, but not in a pitying dont know what to say way, more like mermaid said & almost disdain & distaste that she may 'catch' it from me. She has that smug air.. What a cow..

MLS - I was like that with the 11+5 mc - doubled up with waves of pain (contractions ? ) that eased every time I passed a large clot, then the final peak of pain, understanding what the urge to push meant and as soon as I'd passed that last bit, all the pain vanished.

Hopefully the end is near and your DP will get home quickly - have you got painkillers ? I survived on a cocktail of ibuprofen and paracetamol.

thinking of you x x x

Oh god so much pain. I'm in agony, doubled up. It was nothing like this last time. Dh coming home. I hope this means it's over soon.

Morning girls
Jools!! YAY for successful operation bd keep it up!

Annie how exciting that it's not long til your 20 week scan will you find out the sex?

Mollie and Barbie thinking of you both today; hope the time flies by til tomorrow!

Vjay you poor thing in this humid weather...go to Blue's house and get in her paddling pool

List update-

Small pants

babyinacorner ttc#2 cd 47 ?
Sophable ttc#1 cd 36 ?
gingermumi ttc#4 cd 26
hoping ttc #1 cd 22
cupcakefairy ttc#1 cd 21
mermaid ttc#2 cd 17
Neeko ttc#2 cd 15
iggypiggy ttc#1 cd 14
Jools ttc#1 cd 10
bakingqueen ttc#1 cd 9
4ever ttc#1 cd 8
Kate ttc#1 cd 4
becks ttc#2 cd?
Bluemoon
MLS

On a break?
cupoftea
littlebellsmum

Medium pants

Barbie BFP 6th June
Curly BFP 4th June
GracieGirl BFP 30th May
Scorpio
MM

Big pants

VJay bigpants due 26/08/09
Lionstarbigpants due 26/09/09
Sabsbigpants due 26/09/09
Anniebigpants due 1/12/09
Molliemooma due 16/12/09
Bluesatinsash due 18/12/09

Morning all! Just a quick one from me, did an early start, annoying man opposite is still waffling on even tho im blatantly busily typing to you! Will try to lurk later, and off tomorrow getting bedroom window & wall fixed (finally)!

Go Jools! Babydust babydust!

Barbie & Mollie scans tomorrow so im sure you are in worry mode, so heres my hand to hold from now... Sending strong sticky thoughts to you both.. Barbie have a safe journey back home to blighty! Welcome back in advance! x

Girls - can someone tx me news tomorrow please? Big waves and love to all of you! xxxxxxx

Big pants ladies should come and visit me ! My ickle house is over 100 years old - very thick walls and beautifully cool

Operation seduction was successfull last night - prob too early for an egg, but bodes well for the rest of the week - a very happy bunny here

Oh, and we came a close 3rd in the quiz and had a fab night.

Thinking cooling thoughts for everyone today

Evening lovely ladies, just thought i,d come on here before i retire for the night, the heat has got me pooped! Certainly not complaining, i love the sun, pity it doesnt love me back as much as i burn really easily if im not careful. Only 8 more sleeps till my 20 week scan, and then 3 more sleeps after that till im on my hols for a week, yeyy!

Sending big hug to MLS
Love to everyone, be back tomorrow night to wish mollie and barbie well at their scans.

Hey ladies, I'm fantasising about ice cold baths and massive fans... Vjay - this must be torture for you!

MLS - really hope it all starts to speed up soon, the limbo land time is just the worst .

hoping - what a scary few years you've had and rubbish news about your job. I did at your tantrum in front of staff suggestion.

Neeko - well done your DD and her camel like bladder . DS was the same last year, just decided he didnt want to wear his nappy one day and that was it - 20 pairs of Pingu pants duly bought and 'pot pot' phase began. He loved it when I put stickers on his potty for every pee.

Jools - lol at law of pregnativity! Hope your enjoying the pub quiz and post-pub benefits later . Hope your back holds up!

cupcake - your posts always have a wee twinkle in their eye - I can so picture you in your necklaces .

4ever - honey, hope your chilling in the garden topping up you solar tan

I had a v. productive day today: inflated paddling pool (with pump not lungs!)/weeded garden/pruned and smelled all my roses/took out grass growing from between slabs/planted seeds with DS/two loads of washing out and back in (don't you feel smug when the pants you wore yesterday are back in your drawer . I'm aching now but have been paranoid about getting stuck into garden and even wore gloves today in case of any germs around.

Neeko - I'm off to watch last hour of Grey's - my viewing has been interupted by Wimbledom - go Andy - a local boy you know - from Dunblane, just 2o mins from here.

vjay i know i feel sorry for you with u big bump xxxx

Hi lovelies, all I can say today is that I'm too hot!!!

hi hoping and cupcake im 25 can i join your bfp party please xxxx

neeko ive still got hole in front room but beening fixed this weekend yeah !!!!!

don't forget the tartan rug for my lap if we are all talking age
Have a good evening 4ever

Ooooh dear another sign of age MLS another everlasting hug for you! xxxx

Ooh cupcake & hoping you young'uns! Got 10 yrs on you, can I still come to your jangly jewelleried, rose drinking, garden party?!? I shall virtually join you from our newly assembled swingchair on our lawn! Am I showing my age?!

Neeko well done on the potty training! Sounds ... erm.. fun?! Worthy of a glass of rose deffo!

Jools I have pelvic misallignment, a recurring sprain on the pelvic muscle from my hip to my lumber spine that causes spasms, sound similar? Had it on & off for years and can be torturous, so hugs sympathy and a glass of BD inspiring rose for you with added babydust!

Lovely Mermaid I shall certainly enjoy our jangly jewelleried, rose drinking, garden party & v much looking forward to sharing a glass or 3 with you in our virtual land! Clink clink everyone! OJ for the pant peeps! xxxxxx

My pepper plants got eaten

I have peas though, in their little pods and the strawberries I have rescued from the thieving little grey squirrel have been very yummy indeed.

Lots of flowers on my tomato plants, but no fruit yet ...

cupcake you are overflowing with summery vibes today I do have one red tomato on my totem variety, the others are all green but coming along. Peppers are just forming but I think it may be a bit hot for them. Chillis are just forming so you are doing well with your cucumbers, I have never managed to get them growing on.

jools pelvic realignment sounds very painful but almost anything is worth a go...
enjoy the quiz and dh

neeko your dd must have the bladder of a rhino

Hooray, everybody join me in my jangly jewellery party! I'm definitely liking the idea of a glass of rosé in the garden tonight! (Or in my case, the concrete slabs covered in pots of veg that passes for a 'garden'!)
Speaking of veg, mermaid do you have any yield from yours yet? We have had the first courgette and cucumber...very yummy. Still waiting on peppers and tomatoes...

hoping I'm 24 too, yippee! Even more reason for us to get our BFPs together - I'll send up a request to the big man upstairs

It is so cosy in here, it is easy to forget that this is the world wide web

Since I work in IT, I remain more aware of such things than most. Didn't want to make a big thing of it - just thought it was info best kept private and tried to act in everyone's best interests before the info had been on the thread for too long

Tis beautifully cool in my office today - I think the heat is going to hit me like a ton of bricks when I make my escape. Pub quiz tonight and I'm currently contemplating whether I could seduce DP if I take enough painkillers for my back Well actually it is my lower back / hips / buttocks that feel like they are falling apart. I read an interesting comment on another thread this morning where someones osteopath suggested that miscarriages can cause problems with pelvic alignment - that is exactly my problem I think ....

Hope things happen for you soon MLS - that will be a milestone passed

Hoping - all things happen for a reason and your dream job is just around the corner, I am sure - and as soon as you start it, you will fall pregnant . I think I once read somewhere on mnet that this is called the law of pregnativity - I like that phrase !

Hi all. I wondered what MLS could possibly have written so thanks for that. It's easy to forget that the whole world could be reading this thread sometimes isn't it?

Still potty training. DD managed to go 6 hours without a wee today. No idea where she put it but it all came out in the end

Hope you're all ok today.

Have a lovely afternoon 4ever reckon we should all jingle jangle off with summer jewellery on and open the rose.

x post Jools! Ahh you orchestrated that then! . Was a bit of an expose! Must admit I do feel a bit panicy about the RL crossover sometimes!

Afternoon all! Just a quickie Im being good again today! Isnt it blazing?! I love it, DH used to call me his solar charged girlfriend when we got together! Roll on 4pm, the garden and a large glass of rose for me Trying not to have bump but oh my, they are everywhere & all my summer dresses were hiding a little bump this time last year so bit sad wearing them again this year, knowing their should be an even bigger bump under them now too... Oh well onwards & upwards eh?

Hows my dear MLS? Sorry its dragging out honey, would you consider erpc? Its your 40th this weekend as well isnt it? You deserve lots of pampering at your not so secret party! Oh btw think you exposed mermaid and MN removed the post! Never seen that before!

I confess I sneaked a peek mermaid but will keep shtoom! We watched the tennis too (through one eye)!.. Hope you havent baked away in your greenhouse!

Cupcake you sound bright and summery today! I like jangly jewellery!

Hoping poor hon, you've really been through it, so in your case, age is irrelevent, but is on your side. My SIL had cancer at 14 & told would never have kids but now has 4, so as you know yourself, people can beat the odds... It will happen hon, but dont knock yourself for having a down day or 3... (I have plenty!)

Big <<<<waves>>>>> to the rest of you lovely ladies xxxxx Enjoy the heatwave..!

hoping oh honey you have been through so much in such a short time. It is no wonder you feel as you do, to face your own mortality and come out the other side must change your perspective on life totally. Huge hugs.xx

mls I hope you are not in too much pain, 3 days of bleeding you poor thing. Rest lots, not easy in this heat. Thinking of you heaps you are being so brave and strong.

Ladies - just letting you know that I bravely took quick, decisive action (unusual for me !!) and got a post on this thread removed - it could have outed the RL name of one of us and I don't think any of us really wants that up on the net in black and white

I'm happy for people to know who I am, and like the thought of knowing who you all are, but lets keep that between ourselves in emails and texts

Right, back to work, and counting the hours till I can go home and sit in the sun (or is that drink more wine !)

mls I am so sorry for all you're going through, really wish I could wave a magic wand and get it all over, so you can start the healing

cupcake and mermaid I'm 24, so rationally I know I have time on my side, but doesn't feel this way. I was seriously ill when I was 20 (the life endangering, face the possibility you will never walk again even if you do live past 21 kind of illness) and it was a good 2 years before I recovered properly. I'm fine now, but when we thought I'd die what I really regretted was that I'd never have any children. I know I've completely lost my sense of perspective and I'm not properly grateful for all the wonderful things I have, but now I can't bear to waste any of the time I have

However, I am definitely too old for the tantrum I want to throw right now. I think my team would want me sectioned if I lay on the floor and kicked and screamed

Dh is going to Newport, Cardiff didn't do the course he wanted, boo!

Hi Cupcake feeling grotty today. Three days of bleeding & still have not miscarried. Dh managed to get home early at 4.30 yesterday but no phone calls or emails, he's constantly in meetings & presentations so I'd have to go through his secretary. Your skirt/necklace/vest combo sounds nice.

I've made some of Mermaids soup today but it is still untouched on the hob as I'm still having a complete nightmare getting dd to go to sleep. I'm upstairs now when I've been for the last hour & 40 mins trying to get her to sleep.

Afternoon all I'm wearing a skirt and vest top and 2 necklaces, and feeling very summery... (not that 2 necklaces is summery, but it's quite fun; they make lots of noise when I move, it's a bonus that it's probably annoying everyone in the office )

hoping I am also curious as to how old you are ..do tell, and ooh is your hubby going to Cardiff Uni? Sorry about the job and stuff but hey, maybe that will contribute to the whole sod's law theory!

Had a text from Iggy yesterday; she is missing us and sends her love! They have some sun and thunder in Italy apparently... I wish I was in Italy instead of my office!

How are you MLS? Is your dh having more long meetings today or do you get to phone him every 20 minutes for reassurance? (That's what I'd be doing! I must be such an annoying wife!)

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I reckon my greenhouse is as hot as Dubai, barbie how do you stand that heat?
afternoon all hope everyone is ok -

hoping so sorry about your job, that is awful. At least you can still manage but it must feel like everything is against you at the minute. Without being too nosey how old are you, have you still gots lots of time on your side?

neeko I rather like being a woman of mystery! I reckon if you googled the begining of my email address you would find me.

mls sending out your daily hug and for a bit of variety a nice long pimms.xxx

sabs hey you lovely lady are you ok in this lovely weather?

<sigh> just heard I didn't get the job I applied for. Now looking at having my pay cut in half in September when my job ceases to exist...just when DH is going back to uni. Consoling self that I wont get made redundant, and I can still pay the bills.

I wont be able to afford childcare. Or maternity leave after full pay ends. Just as well I am convinced that we will never have kids anyway.

This is so not a good year for me so far.

lol at mermaidspurse!

yeeeeeeeeeesssssss I am in love with a scotsman!

Drink it all Jools. I'm sure it'll do your back no end of good! Anyway flat wine thatwas supposed to be sparkling is yucky <bleurgh emoticon>

Hi Kate Is your front room all sorted out now?

yeah to right neeko i like you thinking we have to enjoy ourselfs

hi moon missed you too

Just enjoying a crisp ice cold glass of rose cava

Just wondering if I can keep it fizzy till tomorrow or will be forced to drink it all tonight

Moon yes I'm a teacher, but I'm on holiday! Pleased to hear you sounding better and that there some signs of you thinking about trying again.

Mermaidwomanofmystery What exactly is it you do? I'm intrigued.

I'm glad to see I've started a rose trend amongst the small panters. We have to have something over you BFPers!

Just popping in in the midst of the Murray game...very exciting, are all you Scos watching?

Hi moon glad you are still out there that's ok, just didn't want you to think you were forgotten from the list... hope you and dp are doing ok and giving each other lots of cuddles.

neeko yep, the 2ww for me...though not sure when I'd test as we have a long weekend at in-laws planned around testing time

Well, first day back at work was v busy, an was told about 3 new pregnancies around the office!! One is a v close friend of mine so really happy for her...just felt a bit sad too. Would be lush if I got my bfp this month though as I'd only be a few weeks behind her (she's about 7 weeks)

hello girls

yes i am still lurking

just popping in to say kate welcome back we missed you!

mls thinking of you at this sad time, i hope things will be over for you soon so you can start to deal with it (hope that doesn't sound harsh, sorry if it does, its not meant that way)

neeko i love your typos, aren't you a teacher hehe

gracie had to laugh at you and your friend stumbling along in the middle of the night

cupcake thanks for adding me to the list, although me and dp are giving ttc-ing a break for a few months, but i will be back in the saddle soon

just wanted to say thanks to everyone for being here, and understanding when i just couldnt post, i love you all xxxxxx

Definitely a good day Neeko

I desperately need to do some outside painting aswell

Have just texted DP and asked him to pick me up a bottle of rose

well done neekos dd yeah

im still here just beening washing washing and more washing lol

glad u slept well gracie

yeah mermaid took me ages to catch up xxxx

neeko next you will accuse me of drinking the other half - and I would!
potty training is so much easier when it is suny and fewer layers so well done your dd.
and yes I am nautical and this time of the year is quite busy which is always good for my purse!

jools I was worried about your back so glad you have turned up. You know needles are good for backs too... thats a fairly quick appointment lets hope he doesn't suddenly decide to up his handicap or something.

kate are you still skim reading? So glad you are feeling better and you are in loooove again, must be the weather

mls heres another hug your way, hopefully your dh is nearing home.xxx

gg i thought your friend had a bad foot, not bad eyes!!!

jools im more than up for a meet up, however i think sept will be better when im based in london for a wedding....Im not bothered who knows me but i think ill be a bit if i were to meet your other halves!....

Of course gargen means Garden and toady should be today and I haven't even touched the wine yet!

Afternoon.

Welcome back Kate Missed you!

Gracie Glad to hear you're getting some sleep at last.

Barbie Yay on the shorter hours and putting your bean 1st. Proud of you

4ever Big gold star for you for work ethic today. Hope house troubles are fixed soon. Maybe you could use matress on floor for some role-play BDing?

Jools take it easy at pilates. Your back is needed later this week.

Hoping Glad to hear you sounding more upbeat. The floors sound fab by the way.

Mollie not long to go now although it'll feel like ages to you. Glad to hear you're giving in to the nagging.

mermaid Sounds like you've had an interesting day. Are you into all things nautical?

Cupcake Are you on the 2ww now?

MLS hope you're pulling through. Another virtual hug winging its way to you.

DD has used the potty 3 times today and I've painted the gargen furniture so toady counts as a success here.

Hope you all have a relaxing evening. There's half a bottle of Rose wne in the fridge shouting me. (Mermaid's been giving me lessons )

Barbie - meant to say I'm glad your hours have been cut Are we going to manage a proper RL meet-up whilst you are over here, or is everyone scared of sharing details and then actually meeting people they've been discussing CM and BD'ing with ?

Hoping - our floorboards desperately need sanding and revarnishing - wanna job ?

Back is slowly improving - I stayed at home today so I could get up from my desk and lie on the floor when it got too stiff, and that seems to have helped. I am debating whether to go to Pilates tonight and just do what I can - think the stretching might help ...

Based on my usual cycles, I'll be in my fertile window in 3 days time - need a working back for the strenuous activity that will follow

I stayed away too but thats cos I fell asleep after writing my post at 11am and didn't wake up till 3pm!

Welcome back MrsKate!

Well done Barbie for getting better hours! I hope the time flies for you till your scan on thursday.

Hoping my sympathy on the sanding floor boards, I remember that job from my previous house - no fun at all! Don't feel guilty about laughing at me and my friend, we were laughing too!

cupcake only a month since my BFP? it seems like forever! I'm sure I should be about 30 weeks by now!! (8 weeks today)

4ever your windows saga sounds horrendous!

Mermaid are you on your 2ww now? Thanks for your kind wishes, I'll tell my friend. I was trying to explain you lot to him but didn't get far. He was looking at my Facebook page and he fancies Barbie and was wondering where I knew her from.

jools pleased to here you have your follow up appointment. Hows your back today?

Glad to see you back kate

jools thats not too long to wait, hopefully this one can source some answers for you, fingers crossed...

I left a full 15 mins early, im not at all bothered with work now, im offically on holiday wind down!

Waving madly at Kate

Well done on staying away 4Ever - I stayed away, but not working - a sneaky hour in the garden

Well, I'm guessing my consultant doesn't play golf like Mermaid's does - I have a follow-up appt on July 29th ...

kate that will take you a week then

hi all im back !!!!!!!!!!!!


i have missed you all so much.

thanks for hugs

me and dh are so in love again lol
we were a bit down about af arriving tho we thought this month was the one even dh!!!!!.

il go and catch up xxxxxxx

opps sorry 4ever for thinking your window saga was over. No wonder you had the week from hell. Don't think my house will ever be normal ever again so I sympathise. Are they not paying for the redecorating etc
Have you got a reply from the consultant yet?

barbie that is fantstic news on the reduced hours and about time too. So roll on the scan day and then a really happy home coming for you. it feels like ages that you went out there. Glad that your lovely dh also had a good birthday session.

hoping I bet your 120 year old floor boards look stunning and worth the effort. However I am very, very jealous at being refused alcohol. I cannot tell you how happy it would make me if someone said prove you are 25 or actually having a toyboy husband who looked younger than 25

gracie that is a great picture of you both staggering along clutching various bits of street furniture. I sincerly hope both your tummy and your poor friends foot start behaving themselves soon.x

Mrsmissedkate sending you out a big hug out there in rl and hope that you and dh are ok.x

mls lots of love.xx

back in my comfort zone of slumped desk!

See girls I did it! Its lunchtime!
Yea barbie finally got human (& baby) friendly workhours! Ill be off having stage 2 of my windows ()done on thurs so may need some tx updates that day! Yea I was so low last week I never mentioned my saga! Window people finished downstairs, but only booked 2 days so couldnt finish job & left upstairs (our bedroom) with exposed brickwork & steel supports holding ceiling up! We are camped in back bedroom with mattress on the floor! House is in chaos! Said they couldnt come back til this thurs - what a liberty! I sobbed to one of the poor workman about my 4mc - poor bloke didnt know what to say! Fuming cos windows repaired, not replaced, when first got them done 8yrs back they never supported them so my top bay settled onto my lower bay and my bedroom wall was coming away from the ceiling and big cracks all overfront of house Major structural damage caused, luckily guaranteed so when found cause, let the company know, but that was in feb so spent 5months chasing to get it fixed (& delaying all decorating plans), then finally get a date & they dont book enough time! You can imagine how I was! As usual it all came back to OV dates & our 3m time limit so have been going quietly mad with it! Just want our house back to normal!

Haha I'm so stupid...I forgot to add you hoping
We're almost on the same day...we should have a testing party! also so cool you are in Cardiff too! Once we have our LOs we could have play dates (ok, try not to get ahead of yourself cupcake ) V jealous of your imminent cute little kittens too!

Small pants
babyinacorner ttc#2 cd45 ?
Sophable ttc#1 cd34 ?
gingermumi ttc#4 cd24
hoping ttc #1 cd20
cupcakefairy ttc#1 cd19
mermaid ttc#2 cd15
Neeko ttc#2 cd 13
iggypiggy ttc#1 cd 12
Jools ttc#1 cd8
bakingqueen ttc#1 cd 7
4ever ttc#1 cd6
Kate ttc#1 cd2
becks ttc#2 cd?
Bluemoon
MLS

On a break?
cupoftea
littlebellsmum

Medium pants
Barbie BFP 6th June
Curly BFP 4th June
GracieGirl BFP 30th May
Scorpio
MM

Big pants

Lionstarbigpants due 26/09/09
VJay bigpants due 26/08/09
Sabsbigpants due 26/09/09
Anniebigpants due 1/12/09
Molliemooma due 16/12/09
Bluesatinsash due 18/12/09

Hoping I'll add you to the list now

Small pants
babyinacorner ttc#2 cd45 ?
Sophable ttc#1 cd34 ?
gingermumi ttc#4 cd24
cupcakefairy ttc#1 cd19
mermaid ttc#2 cd15
Neeko ttc#2 cd 13
iggypiggy ttc#1 cd 12
Jools ttc#1 cd8
bakingqueen ttc#1 cd 7
4ever ttc#1 cd6
Kate ttc#1 cd2
becks ttc#2 cd?
Bluemoon
MLS

On a break?
cupoftea
littlebellsmum

Medium pants
Barbie BFP 6th June
Curly BFP 4th June
GracieGirl BFP 30th May
Scorpio
MM

Big pants

Lionstarbigpants due 26/09/09
VJay bigpants due 26/08/09
Sabsbigpants due 26/09/09
Anniebigpants due 1/12/09
Molliemooma due 16/12/09
Bluesatinsash due 18/12/09

Wow, Gracie is it really a month since your BFP? It's gone fast...well, probably crawled by for you!
Somebody needs to get in touch with that naughty Scorpio and tell her to get back here and get into those big pants!

Thanks Neeko, I really hope I will have my own baby pics on facebook someday... though why people insist on putting up ones from the second of the birth I will never get

Hi barbie so glad you got reduced hours! And only 3 more sleeps for you and mollie

Hello ladies, im at work so this is a sneaky one...

Feeling crap, but back too work tbh im kinda liking the sick feeling it give me more hope that this little bean is a good one...

Just been to head office and they have reduced my hours to 10-3pm 6 days a week i was hoping for 5 days but hey its better than 10 hours a day i have to work today and tomorrow as normal then thurday im off as we fly in the evening and i have my scan at 1.40pm so 10.40 your time. Hopefully ill get good news and then mollie will be along after for more!

mls i casnt believe how much your news has affected me, you girls are well and truely part of my life now! I hope you feel better soon and that gorgeous daughter of yours isnt too demanding on her mummy today.

I have to go but ill be back this evening as dh has football xxx

thanks for the kind words ladies

neeko going through the tests now. still haven't had letter about appointment with clinic but don't know how it works in our area...will have to keep an eye on that. Thanks

barbie never thought I would type this in freindliness, but glad you're feeling grotty, all really good signs

gracie your description made me laugh at my desk, then felt really bad laughing at people suffering so sorry! that little bean will be worth it in the end though

MLS you are being so brave. <strokes hair>

vjay yikes feel for you in this heat! stoke up on some nice cool mini milks, the met office says a heatwave is coming...

4ever yay with the living room! I'm with you here, spent the weekend sanding 120 yr old floor boards. By saturday lunchtime I was contemplating divorce. Bribed my dh with beer to finish the job, then Tescos wouldn't sell me any becuase "your husband looks under 25 and can't prove he isn't"...luckily dh left the store with embarrassment, leaving me free to let rip with righteous indignation. loudly. drew quite a crowd

cupcake snap! I am in cardiff too! the pregnant cat is actually my parents, but in 6-8 weeks I shall be the proud owner of 2+ kittens! if you would like the distraction of something small and fluffy to play with, you're welcome round

curlee still so thrilled for you!

mermaid marina in this sunshine ... or at least I think it's sunny, no windows where I am

jools ouch! my nurse of a sister swears by germoline it has an aneasthetic in as well as antiseptic or something. the way she uses it i expect she'd recommend it for anything short of cardiac arrest

mollie good for you putting your health first. after the hassle that was sanding the floors this weekend, I'm not going to sell the house out of pure stubborness!

hello iggy and moon if you're lurking! Has anyone seen sophables recently?

I'm now on CD20, how do I get myself added to the list?

Morning all!

MLS its a real shame none of us live nearer so we could come round and entertain your lovely DD. I hope you are not in too much pain. lots of hairstroking for you.

4ever well done for decorating your front room, I've been getting round to doing mine with my DH for weeks, so far all we've got is far too many tester pots and no decision on a colour.

Mollie well done for putting yourself and Baby first and taking another day off. Only 3 sleeps now.

*MrsKate had her AF on saturday so she's CD 2 now.

Waves to neeko and mermaid.

I just slept from 3:30am straight through to 10:30am! Yesterday evening I went to see my friend (the one who named me Gracie), I've not seen a lot of him lately as we'd fell out for few months, made up, then I got pregnant and stopped sleeping and he's been busy. Anyhow he's had an operation to reconstruct his foot and is now immobile and not sleeping either. So we nattered till 2:30am, i drove home and slept no problem! I did get pain at his house, but its a lot less inconvenient when I'm already awake. You have laughed at our antics trying to get rid of the pain, I hid in the kitchen (I don't do pain with an audience!), he's shuffling round the floor on his bottom trying to follow me to see what I'm up to. His 2 collie dogs and a dalmatian trying to round me up and stop me pacing around! We ended up out for a walk at 1am him on his crutches which he is bloody rubbish at using! and me leaning on random peoples fences whenever the pain got too bad, we must have looked a right pair!

mls thinking about you all over the weekend. You are being so brave and strong. Hopefully because you know what is so sadly happening you can feel a incy wincy bit in control. Masses of love and heaps of virtual magazines, playdo for dd and choc and tipples for you.xx

mollie good girl for listening to the nagging, Thursday is getting nearer.x

neeko enjoy your well earned holiday

gracie up again you poor thing, its got to stop soon surely?

4ever phew windows all done ace

jools get to the chiropractor etc. Back pain is dreadful, even of this cr*p for lovely jools

just nipping in cos working down the marina today yipeeeee so love to all.xx

*

MLS I'm not at work today, wish I could come and hold your hand or at least play with your DD, thinking of you lots and sending healing thoughts x
Barbie I really hope you are off work again today and until you come home on Thursday. Yes scan is Thurs same day as yours, we'll virtual hand hold together, what time is yours? Mine is 3.40pm.
Jools How's the back today?
Hoping Here's "hoping" you are feeling better today after your meltdown yesterday, I think you should do all the things you said, sell the house, change jobs etc etc that way you are guaranteed a baby
Cupcake So glad you had a lovely holiday, I so hope you be having a holiday BFP
Gracie I don't know about hair strokes for you I think a tummy stroke is in order, poor you
Neeko How is the potty training coming along, hope you have enough scooby doo pants to keep DD interested!
VJay Hope you are still taking it easy?
4ever I second Neeko I bet you can't do it
Curly Any symptoms to report yet?

I had Mum, Dad and DH nagging me yesterday that I was not to return to work yet, so I struck a deal and said I'd be off today but back tomorrow, I have to admit it's far nicer being at home than sat at my desk facing 16 interviews with rather p*ssed off people all day!

I know. It's really hard. Can you at least put your friend with the DS on standby? Have you got all your painkillers ad stuff to hand? I found a hot water bottle really helped me too. Take care.

I have one friend who is due to have her baby today (), another who has a ds the same age as my dd so she is a possibility. My next door neighbour who helped me when I had my last mc works one day a week which is a Monday, so that's unfortunate. No pain yet but I didn't get much last time so hopefully I'll be lucky. Its the waiting that is he worst.

Hey MLS are you in much pain? Do you have any friends who could come for Sadie if things get bad? Wish one of us lived nearer and could help. x

4ever my date's spot on so hopefully this will be a normal cycle this month. DH has just started a promoted post this morning so think I'll need to be creative about my mission this month.

Hi Neeko & 4ever, thanks for thinking of me. I'm still waiting for it to pass unfortunately. At home alone with dd today & I feel like it is going to be soon. Dh has too much work on at the moment & couldn't really take the day off. He's in a meeting from 10 until 3 but I'm to call his secretary if anything happens.

He he what are you saying Neeko?! Mois?!? Morning to you lovely lady! I shall do my best anyway! x

Just updating the list - im way out on the last one! You may all wanna check! Have left those at end of cycle to adjust themselves!

Small pants
babyinacorner ttc#2 cd45 ?!?!?!
Sophable ttc#1 cd34 ?!!?
Kate ttc#1 cd32 ?!?!?!
gingermumi ttc#4 cd24
cupcakefairy ttc#1 cd19
mermaid ttc#2 cd15
Neeko ttc#2 cd 13
iggypiggy ttc#1 cd 12
Jools ttc#1 cd8
becks ttc#2 cd?
bakingqueen ttc#1 cd 7
4ever ttc#1 cd6
MLS

On a break?
cupoftea
littlebellsmum

Medium pants
Barbie
Curly BFP 4th June
GracieGirl BFP 30th May
Scorpio
MM

Big pants

Lionstarbigpants due 26/09/09
VJay bigpants due 26/08/09
Sabsbigpants due 26/09/09
Anniebigpants due 1/12/09
Molliemooma due 16/12/09
Bluesatinsash due 18/12/09

Bet you can't do it 4ever

Morning all! Just wanted to say been thinking of MLS lots & hope you are finding some inner strength from somewhere hon... Sending hugs... xx

Big <<<<waves>>>>> to everyone else this v hot & sunny morn...! Dont wanna be at work, finally decorated front room on sat & backs killing me! Gonna be good with posting this week, so may stick to lunchtimes, but will lurk! Love, sticky thoughts & babydust to all xxxx

own baby pics. I really should proof read

Morning all.
I see Gracie's still not sleeping. Would you like us to take turns at doing a nightshift to keep you company?

Vjay Lol at your DS pressing delete. I'll bet you were gutted. I see we are to have a heatwave this week although not so hot in Scotland. Happy hols to you. I'm also off now. What ladies of leisure we're becoming

cupcake at the new babies but give it a few months and you'll be posting your won baby pics.

MLS Hope you're coping and the worst has passed.

Hi to everyone else

Evening all! Just passing through....

Thinking of you MLS. xx

Hey everyone, just came on for a quick one to check on MLS. What an awful day for you, I hope you are tucked up in bed and getting lots of real-life hugs from DH and Sadie as well as the ones we are sending you. Wrong as it sounds I'm glad the bleeding has started, I hope that on Friday you get the news that the physical part is over so that you can get on with the healing process. I'm thinking of you honey xxx

Just four more sleeps for Mollie and Barbie. Fingers crossed for you both

It's lovely to see cupcake back. Big waves to everyone else. I promise I'll catch up properly soon with you all!

Thanks for the welcomes back
jools I know; I was even shocked when I saw the length of my post! haha! So sorry about your back that sounds horrible

Hi MLS hope you are being well taken care of.

Hi Neeko - sorry AF was such a downer for you this month she is a bitch isn't she. Glad you have the potty training to take your mind off it all a bit though! Good luck

Hoping whereabouts in Wales are you? I live in Cardiff and how ironic and annoying about your fertile cat!!
I got back from hols to lots of pics of 2 friends' new babies on Facebook - very cute but it seems to be all I can think about today now.

Here goes again...
glad you had a fab holiday cupcake, it's sounded lovely
neeko I am taking it easy, the iron tablets are working but I am still getting so tired.
gracie and barbie I will be joining you after tommorrow not working yey
mls take small steps hun, you are being so brave
jools get yourself off to the docs and signed off, then you can join me, gracie and barbie
mollie glad the bleeding has stopped and roll on Thursday for your scan
hoping hope you feel a little better today

Well I'm sat here bouncing on my birthing ball taking one of my many rest breaks today , this heat is sooooo draining!

Aaaarrrggg just done a lovely big post and ds hit the delete button....

Of course I meant well up, not better

MLS being strong enough to post is a good sign. Sorry it's happening but hope it will all be over for you by Saturday as then you might be able to put a brave face on for your party. Sometimes being able to put a brave face on in RL is healing in itself.Take care.

Thanks Gracie

BarbieakaMrshormone sorry for making you well. Hope in some perverse way the gagging is making you more confident.

Hello all

Thought I'd drop in with a quick update. Yesterday was a day of unspeakable sadness & mourning - silly me thought I could manage a trip to the shops in the morning but that ended in tears, literally. Spent most of the rest of the day in bed. Today I've had some bleeding so I think my lost angel will be leaving me very soon.

Thank you all so much for your kind words & good wishes, it means the world to me.

Yay to Barbie being off work too, I don't feel half as bad if both of us are skiving! And spending the whole day in bed/on the sofa! We hve precious night time sleep to catch up on.

Jools your back sounds terrible, surely something can be done to help you?

Neeko good luck with the potty training! Sorry to hear about your chemical pregnancy/ dodgy test.

Hoping glad to hear you are feeling abit better and that you had your DH with you for your meltdown, I was wondering where you'd got to. I can't believe your cat is pregnant, I think "him upstairs" is really trying to wind you up!

morning all....

Ive been to work and promtly came home again.

I was awake most of last night worrying about my scan, and just feeling a little rough so lack of sleep coupled with such long working working hours i thought f**k it when i woke up this morning i was planning on going to work for the morning and then leaving a few hours early but i suddenly started gagging really badly, thankfully it was early morning and nothing in my belly so nothing came up but bile (tmi) ...the same thing happened at work a few times....i felt terrible, tears in my eyes and stomach aching from all the heaving...so called up head office and said im taking the day off. Have been asleep on the sofa for a hours

mollie i have been planning on emailing you but with dh b day plans just havent got around to it, is scan day thursday? trying to re read you last few post to find out. Im feeling really positive for you, still going with the therory that its a boy who is going to cause you a lot more sleepless nights in the future have my hand, ill stroke your back in the evening while you are sick!!

hoping was worried that something had happened due to you not post.... i can totally relate to you. Last year i was the same, so when dh got offered this job it seemed a great new start, one where i could reinvent myself to everyone new i met over here. I didnt have to be the desperate childless lady. Instead dh and i became the fun, crazy, constantly pissed couple who was always up for going out, trying new places etc etc. I think part of the reason things worked out ok (so far, touch wood) is the fact i started to relax a bit. sounds terribly cliche but its so true. This is the one month that i didnt really care about falling pregnant as i have so much going on and now look at me.....chin up

jools poor you, my back is still achy on and off so can only imagen at you in constant pain. Can you get a pressure point massage or aroma message done? the oils in aroma will relax you while pressure point will get to the source of the pain [hopeful emotion]

neeko for some reason reading your post about what am i looking forward to when i get home, and the whole mum/ cuddle thing made me well up! i just want to get thursday out of the way and if its good news i think ill be looking forward to my parents and dh parents reaction when we tell them. Also looking forward to being surrounded by friends, people who have know us for years and it isnt any effort...the festival...summer evenings which are cool enough to enjoy...

bluergh feeling rough ill be back to finish later ....

aww Hoping the despair is horrible isn't it? I can't remember your history but have you had any tests done or anything? Hope you feel better soon. it'll all be worth it one day.

Dh dragged me off to meltdown in the garden rather than in cyberspace, so feeling much better today. Just got the stage where I have no expectation of ever having a family, and then get really stressed out about all things I did to lay the ground for a family (like buying a house, staying in Wales, getting a job with a family freindly employer etc). It just feels totally pointless now, so when DH and I had a massive DIY provoked arguement I got a little melty about how this stupid stupid wreck of a house was causing so much agro when the only reason we bought it has vanished. <deep breath> Just getting to the stage where I want to sell the house, move somewhere else and concentrate on the career, and hope that in a couple of years I'll actually belive that holidays and shoes and a chic little flat are a better bargain than a family. Arg!

<another deep breath, adopts yoga position for a moment> there, rant over. I know I'm being completely unreasonable and irrational about this, but even the bloody cat is pregnant now! This is just taking the p*ss...

Thanks for listening ladies, I will be back anon to say hello to all of you properly

Jools I know I'm stating the obvious but have you been to the docs? Is there nothing that can help your back, physio or something?

Morning all.

MLS I hope you managed to sleep a little last night and that things are progressing. You are constantly in my thoughts.

mollie Big relief that the bleeding has stopped. I know it's impossible but try to put it out of your mind until Thursday and rest lots.

gracie at you still not sleeping. It looks like you will be off work for a while , like it or not.

barbie really glad you're going for the scan. Hope you'll have time to post the good news about your little bean before your hol begins. What are you looking forward to most about coming back to Blighty? Other than giving your mum a big hug

Cupcake Yay! You're back. I've missed your silly posts and your eternal optimism.We need it and you. Welcome home!

Curly That was a lovely thing to say Hope the news is sinking in and you're allowing yourself some tiny day dreams of future happiness.

MrsKate So sorry AF got you. It's heartbreaking isn't it? I was gutted last time especially as I'd had a very faint positive 9 days post-ov that I only shared with MLS Realise now that it was either a dodgy test or a very early chemical pregnancy. I've learned my lesson now and there'll be no more early testing. As MLS told me AF is heartbreaking at first but give it a few days and hope will rise again.

Annie Nice to see you. hope all is well with you.

Vjay glad the iron tablets are working but remember the won't turn you into superwoman. Take it easy, eh?

4ever Hope you're having a positive weekend and are peparing yourself for this months battle.

Big Sunday morning hellos to mermaid Blue moon Jools Sabs lion and all the rest of you lovely ladies.

I am starting potty training with DD today. So far she seems delighted by the Scooby Doo pants but appears to have the bladder of a camel whilst I have needed to pee 3 times since we started!

Have as good a day as you all can.

Wow Cupcake - what an epic post - I am in awe Welcome back

Mollie - I bet this has been the longest week of your life At least you are halfway through that week now and getting ever closer to that scan.

GG - please don't go back to work too soon.

No BD practice here - my back is so bad, I writhe around in bed at night and have to use the headboard to turn myself over - DP ended up in the other room to give me more space and comfort. I'm going stir crazy not getting any exercise, but I can barely walk !

Still thinking of you MLS - will send over some more vodka in case supplies are runing low x x x

You stay off as long as you need too, remember I had 5 weeks off with m/s after the first 2 weeks of head down loo continually I forgot to feel guilty
You have to think of the baby not work

Morning Mollie, still 4 sleeps?? That scan is taking its time isn't it! Really pleased to hear the spotting has stopped. Yes I'm still signed off work till wednesday, I feel bad still being off work, but then I'm still up 3-4 times a night in pain so I don't think I'd be much use at work.

Morning MLS, thinking of you.

GG I take it from the late posting that you're still suffering? Poor you, hope it starts easing soon, are you still signed off work?
cupcake Welcome back, glad you had a lovely holiday
MLS How are you feeling my lovely, I've been thinking about you all weekend and virtually hair stroking
Barbie Get those bloody hours sorted!!!

Huge waves to everyone else hope you are enjoying the lovely sunshine
Not much to report here, spotting has stopped, just feel permanantly bloated and still throwing up most evenings. Only 4 sleeps til scan which I really feel I need so I can see if things are OK.

Wow Cupcake that's a nice long post! I'm pleased you had a nice holiday but I'm more pleased you're home, I missed you!! Your "something that made me smile today" technique is great! My DH is the same he asks about you all when he comes home.

Just passing through whilst pacing round my house again.

Evening ladies!
Well it's taken me hours to catch up with you all but I'm just about emerging and this will probably be a mammoth post! I echo what MLS said about it being like reading a novel you know the end to as I'd been kept up to date with news (thanks soooo much Neeko, Gracie, Curly, Iggy and 4ever! I really appreciated it...and DH and the friends we were on hol with kept asking to hear the updates too, haha!) Missed you all loads and glad to be back. Felt tearful reading what you've all been writing about how much this forum means to you all - I feel the same and am so glad I found you ladies! Very glad to see my 'something that made you smile today' theory in use and hair-stroking while I was away too!

Ok, here goes-

Let me firstly say MLS I was so so sorry to hear your news yesterday. It truly is crap and I especially feel for you in the limbo stage; I hated that. Hope dd lets you get some sleep. How is your dh dealing with it? Big hugs to you.

Barbie, Curly and Gracie, was so pleased to hear about the good news for all of you. Hope you're all taking care of yourselves and bulk-ordering that cotton wool to wrap yourselves in.

4ever, lovely lovely lady, I was so sad reading about the hard time you've been having sorry for BFN and AF. Next month is the one! I'm amazed at how supportive and understanding you are to everyone on this thread even in your toughest times - it wouldn't be the same without you!
Sorry I didn't bring back the vat of vodka by the way, couldn't get it through customs fancy a french biscuit instead??

Kate, I don't know if you're lurking but just wanted to say hi, and hope you are having some lovely quality time with dh. Sorry about AF But remember LovelyCurly's mantra - af is potential first day of pregnancy! Same for you BakingQueen sorry tew got you too.

Cupoftea so so sorry about your dh's job I know you were upset that he'd been having doubts about ttc before that too so you must be finding this so hard. Hoping we'll see you again before too long.

Mollie how horrible about your scare! Hope you are more relaxed now. Maybe you should hot foot it over to mermaid's drinking den greenhouse to hide away for a while! Loving the sex ban comment too I should tell my dh to appreciate all the bd right now as I'm sure I'll be the same for 9 months once I'm pg!! our poor boys.

Mermaid, so glad you finally got a consultant's appointment! Here's hoping or some answers for you. Not long to wait. How's the bd action plan going??

Moon sorry to hear you've been so low but as others have said, it is a whole other stage to get through, going back to work and reality. Well done for getting through it. Thinking of you.

Annie again, hugs for you feeling sad around fathers day as I've said before, I'm amazed at you getting through everything you have without your parents around and still sounding so positive...chin up.

Hoping go for it- have a meltdown! We're all here. The whole 'we'll never have kids' thing hits me when least expected and makes me cry...and I've only mc'd once; so you are very entitled to meltdowns! Hit us with them...

Iggy is on hols now I know...but just cos I'll forget to ask her otherwise-
How was Oliver?? We saw it in March, Rowan Atkinson is just brill isn't he? Which Oliver did you get?
Also, I'm in exact same situation with my job! Lovely people, but bored, want to leave, but waiting to get pg..don't want to apply for other jobs incase I have to leave immediately when pg..silly. And again, cry all you want over the mc. People in rl expect us not to still be upset about it (my BF is the only one who still asks how I am about it) but it's really ok to be...I think we always will be to some degree.

Lionstar hope you're enjoying hols!

VJay so glad iron tablets are helping and WOW 9 weeks!! It'll be so exciting to have our first Emmsy's baby.

And hello to all you other lovely ladies!

PHEW! Told you this would be mammoth..

Our holidays were just lovely - sunshine, food, wine, READING (my favourite thing), and a LOT of gourmet bd I think I ov'd yesterday and have a v good feeling we caught that little egg! We'll see.

Bit of an eventful journey home as everyone was evacuated from Toulouse airport (turned out to be nothing serious) then complications with an air hostess getting ill and a boy with 2 broken arms being chucked off plane cos he wasn't certified fit to fly... we were v delayed but back in one piece!

Better hit send as I can see you're all falling asleep
It's very good to be back.

Evening all.

Hoping people having meltdowns are always welcome.

Just spoke to MrsKate she won't be testing tomorrow now as AF got her today, she says to let you know so the list can be up to date.

Vjay yes you are right I should talk to my manager about a risk assessment before I go back to work.

Big hug for MLS*.

*Curly I hope you enjoyed your lunch.

Sorry Curly-forgot to say im so happy that your scan went well yesterday X

Evening ladies. Just caught up on the last few days news.
So so sorry to hear your news MLS, my heart was in my mouth reading, then i got to the really sad bit . Life is so unfair, the big man above needs to give the ladies on here a break. Sending big hug to you and DH.

Ive read everyones news, sorry i havent got chance to write massive post tonight, but you are all in my thoughts as always. Hope those that are due to test soon get good news, the ladies who AF has got get good news next month, all the medium pants and big pant wearers are well as can be.

Are you ok hoping? Of course you can have a meltdown, this is just the place

lol go ahead hopingalways its always crazy in here!!!

<shuffles back in looking sheepish> with everything that's going on at the moment, does anyone mind if I have an e-meltdown?

bad grammer due to rushing in work

Hello everyone, im in work today until 9pm which will mean leaving at 9.45 still no news re shorter hours and im getting pissed off now due to being so tired. Im going to chase it up tomorrow.

Went out for dh brunch, champayne and spirits on tap for a full 3 hours with fab food. V posh hotel but come 3,30pm it was carnage, people stripping, dancing on tables etc etc quite a sight too see when you are stone cold sober! Was great, dh really enjoyed himself and is paying the price. He lasted until 8pm so a full 8 hours..we ended up clubbing after and its strange with it being day light! totally knackered so had to laeve early and thankfully dh saw sense and came with me before being sick out of the side of the car as was were driving...um nice!

Was going to catch up last night while dh slept on the sofa but mls news really floored me, ended up crying for hours...bought it home how far i still have to go and how much i wanted her to have a happy ending. There was nothing i could of written or posted to take the pain away so instead i curled up in bed and wished her happy thoughts....

Went to book me scan, and would you believe it the only time and date open is thursday..fate or what. Panicked and asked about having a d and c if needed but the receptionist laughed and said i would be fine ill take it each day at the time..

feeling sicker the last few days so im hoping this is a good thing.

The cat is out of the bag now due to the host yesterday asking which of the part is preganant as i had to have a different drinks menu...oh well what will be will be...

Ill catch up with you all tomorrow xxx

Have a lovely lunch curly

Your SIL sounds lovely. I confess I wouldn't have considered such a thing before

Now put your feet up young lady and have a nice cool drink

I'm going to head down to greenwich market and have lunch out. No chance it will stay down, but I might as well enjoy the eating part

lots of love to everyone xxx

hi curly, I'm not too bad thanks,, I did the food shopping today for the first time in ages (DH has been doing it), and I did quite well, but bloody knackered now .
My fab SIL rang me earlier and said she is planning a visit for a couple of days when I'm about 8 months, but she is insisting on staying in a B&B, and I am so grateful to her of thinking of this. Usually we put people up but I just stand the thought of doing this now. She has not long had her 3rd baby so knows what it is like, I just hope others follow her lead