Fantastic news...... Woooooohooooooooo

I know!!!!

Nomore that/'s awesome news!!!

waves to everyone else- Pocket Dictator having a tantie so I've got to run.......

Hi all, I'm still here though mostly lurking, sorry

Ready Sorry you're giving up the bfing but you have to do what's right for you and DD and it sounds like you're both happier with a bottle. Is she sleeping any better now?
Hobnobs how are you? Nice to see you back too
Toomuch Is DS really a year already? That doesn't seem possible!!

Well I have a bit of good news - we've got funding for 2 more IVF goes! So we'll be going again sometime in the new year I think.

How did the jabs go Toomuch?

Hi Hobnobs

I have decided to stop breastfeeding, the last few weeks have been awful, whenever I give dd expressed bottles she is so calm and relaxed, but with me it is a fight til she conks out with exhaustion. Won't be able to express for every feed, so formula beckons. Sad about it, but feel it is the right things for us.

Hello toomuch. Keep meaning to post when pc or laptop as is faster than my phone. Will come back, honest!

Tis very quiet on here.. everyone ok?

Hello everyone - hope we all had a good weekend! What's everyone up to?

DS has his one year jabs tomorrow so not looking forward to that but hoping that the weather at least stays sunny like today

Sounds just like DS - the yawning when he wakes up and clearly needing more - luckily he grew out of it eventually. Well done on the sleeping well at night though - that's the main battle isn't it

How is everyone? It's a lovely sunny day here today so feeling very positive about the day. Going to go for a walk and get some fresh air - it's been drizzly and grey all week before today..

Toomuch, it does help actually, it is nice to hear that they can grow out of it. She's a funny thing, she occasionally will throw in the longer sleeps, and I rack my brain to remember what we did differently... nothing. Trouble with dd is that she wakes up after 30 mins yawning and is clearly needing more, but will go another 2-2.5 hours before another nap, which she spends 10mins moaning about as well - the girl just doesn't like sleeping in the day. Thankfully at night she is doing so well - fingers and toes crossed it lasts. Much easier to cope with short bursts of sleep and the grumpy grumps in the day than the night. <crosses fingers tighter than tight> How old is your DS now?

How is everyone?

Hey Ready your DD sounds like the same kind of imp as my DS he was a set your watch by him 30 mins man for a long time. I tried everything and read every book and nothing worked. He just grew out of it at about 5/6 months - sorry I know that's not much help.. just letting you know that it's not something your doing wrong . It was such a pain with DS as he really needed much more sleep than 30 mins so an hour after waking up he'd need another 30 min nap!! Nightmare - I spent 6 months with a constantly napping baby - it would be 5-8 times a day!! I was on cloud 9 when he took his first 2 hour nap - I could actually get something done!!

Anyway.. how is everyone? It's getting a bit cold and dark now isn't it... really feels like winter setting in

Sleep is getting there... she napped for an hour this morning, and almost 3 yesterday afternoon - lunchtime and this afternoon she was back to her normal 30 minutes you-can-set-your-clock-by-me catnap - oh well, won't be long before she doesn't need an afternoon nap anyway - 12weeks have flown by already!

It is lovely to have toomuch back online

How is everyone doing? xx

Hey Pumpkin - yeah the name was back from my pre-baby days... I struggle to get any time on the computer now - mainly because baby toomuch thinks my computer is a great toy and beats the living hell out of it!

Nomore - thanks for the update - great to be back!

{Toomuch grins and whistles as she's welcomed back into the fold}

<nomore slaps herself on the wrist for serious overuse of brackets in that last post>

Hiya toomuch nice to 'see' you again
I'll fill in the blanks as much as I can..
Ready had a baby girl in July - she's adorable an a real sweetie but had trouble with colic to start with and is now having trouble with sleep! Gilly has just done her second IVF which sadly didn't work - there's a whole thread about it (called 'trying to find gillydaffodil') Scorpio is due no4 on xmas day (or is it xmas eve?) LL is pg with twins after IVF and has moved to Switzerland (because of DH's job I think)
Anyway my dear how are you? Lovely to see you back (think I may be repeating myself but what the heck, it is lovely to see you!) There's not all that much news from me, I'm not really any further forward than where I was when you left off - we're waiting to see if the PCT here will fund more IVF for us or not, otherwise we'll be raiding the savings account to pay for a private go.

[waves at toomuch] have a 17 month old so know what you mean. Not so much a case of toomuchtimeonline as neverabloodyminutetogetonline!!

I've been frantically reading to try and catch up with everything.. I can't believe how long it is since I've been on but nomore e-mailed me the other day and I realised I missed you guys

Ready - congrats on the new baby.. off to try and find a thread with more detials as there are none on here.. unless anyone can fill me in..

Scorps - huge congrats!! How's the pregnancy going? Again off to stalk to find out how you're doing..

Nomore - hey hin - how's it going? Missed you x

Mistle - glad you're doing fine and have found a home on another thread - may pop in for a cuppa sometime

Gilly - how's things with you? Are you on your next cycle of IVF yet?

Syvil - how's baby J? Baby toomuch is over a year now.. can't believe where the time has gone - he's into everything at the moment... it's non-stop

hobnobs - how is DS doing? How old is he now?

Everyone else = LL, Pumpkin... anyone I've forgotten! how are you all?

Promise to log on regularly and say hello to you all

{toomuch whispers} hello hello

[yells hellllllooooooooooo in spooky fashion]

lol at chainsaw!

Great news about IVF nomore- I did think of you when I heard something on the news about it recently.

[waves to all and sundry]

at chainsaw!!

Just stalking you!

DGodS still gorgeous, very chatty, he 'loves' everything atm which is great for my chef ego, 2yr old sits down saying things like "I love pasta/toast/yoghurt, Mummy"
Although he did try to chainsaw his sister's head this morning with the free toy from his Bob the Builder magazine!

hi hobnobs good to hear you've taught DS to ejoy shopping! :P
yorky great to see you and glad to hear DD slept through - hope she keeps it up! How's my gorgeous DGodS? And what are you doing back on the conception boards??

Thats excellent news nomore, keep meaning to call but fall asleep instead! However (drum roll) DD slept from 11- last night so may return to land of living soon!

Good luck with the waiting

Hello! Thanks for keeping this active.

Nomore That's great news about the extra IVF goes on the NHS.

Scorpio Hope Mimi is ok now.

Nothing unusual to report here. DS growing so fast, in every sense - he's over 4 months now. We even managed a trip round the supermarket today which he used to hate. He smiled at everyone who walked past him so must have timed it well.

how is mimi today? have been thinking about you and her

Both excellent choices even if i do say so myself

poor mimi - hope she's ok
ps if we have IVF money we don't need it'll be spent on a bug and a stokke cot!

No of course not, in which time you can either save for any more goes (though really hopefully not!!) or just have a nice holiday with what you have saved

Mimi has just bumped her head massively and DH has taken her to A&E. She has a lump literally the size of an egg on her head.

Well my PCT definitely offer three cycles now and my GP didn't think there would be any reason why we wouldn't get two more cycles. I've got to go through the referral system again though, firstly to my local hospital and then they can refer me for IVF. It's going to be a bit of a waiting game but if we get two more NHS cycles I don't mind waiting a bit

Have you heard anymore about that?

I don't know if you lurk on the been ttc no1 since forever thread but if not I can tell you a little bit of good news - it looks like I can have two more IVF cycles funded by the NHS When we did the IVF last year the PCT only funded one cycle but now they've changed the rules and are offering three goes

Obscurity? Never!!

well thanks- you?

bumping us out of obscurity
how are we all?

Oh yes!

She's simply the divine miss pearls really isn't she

LOL. Empress much more appropriate. Or maybe Overlord/Supreme Ruler/Omnipotent.

I was going to say PrincessPearls but princess seems to have spoilt brat associations these days. She is a princess though, a little cutie

Haha- should call her Empress Pearls at the mo as she is going through a 'demanding' phase [wonders if she knows something is afoot]! But lots of fun, has started walking and talks all the time though in complete gibberish.

You should feel special- you are xx

<feels all special>
how are you doing P&P? How's babypearls doing? should we call her bigsispearls now?

Great name Scorps.

Ditto your thinking of nomore regularly, as I do too. In fact have been guilty of stalking her before now

LL- great news about two babies.... about Carpal Tunnel though

[waves to everyone, esp. Sybil]

oh bum, knew there was something else I meant to say - I love Lacey what a cool name
ps I think of you quite ofter too

bless you scorps here's hoping we get some answers...
sybil nice to see you're still lurking - can't believe Jamie is 13 months - where does the time go?? How are your other 2 getting on?

Nomore - i hope oyu get some results, some news soon, i think of you often actually

LL - lovely twins news, i know a few twins

Syb - hoping to call her Lacey Amber.

Hi sybvim - yes, bubs, two of the little blighters...

Hey ladies, just popping in to keep up with everyone. I couldn't get that link to load but I am assuming that Ready has had her baby safely?

Scorpio, congratulaions on your scan. Another little girl wow, what are you planning on calling her?

Nomore, fingers crossed that you get some answers/good news soon.

LL - did I misread one of your posts there or did you say bubS?

Jamie is a monkey. He still isn't keen on food and is the most agile 13 month old ever. He tried to escape recently by climbing onto the sofa, then onto the window ledge, then was trying to climb out of an half-open window. Talk about needing eyes in the back of you head!

here's hoping

Not too bad when you put it like that - and hopefully you're towards the end of all the waiting now. Fingers crossed all the tests go according to plan so you can get reet stuck in again

Sorry to hear you're having a tough pg, it doesn't sound like much fun Just keep your eye on the prize (or should I say prizes )
I guess really things aren't really taking that long, it's just that each bit isn't conclusive so it means more tests. They're all being done on the NHS so I shouldn't really complain. EP Nov, L&D April, HSG May, Consultation July, re-test Aug. Not too bad really, especially when some of it is waiting for a certain point in my cycle.
I did look at going abroad but I worked out that the full cost (hotels/flights etc as well as treatment) would be similar to the cost of IVF here (for me - I didn't need very high drug doses, that's where it costs more £) and I'd need to take annual leave to do it too. My IVF doctor here is very good and seems to be on the case about getting to the bottom of the problem, he's just held up by the NHS waiting lists he keeps putting me on. We've had a few consultations with him since the failed cycle and we haven't paid yet, so I'm quite happy with the service there.

Hi nomore - well that makes absolutely perfect sense... no point in wasting a cycle if there's uncertainty around; you'd forever be wondering if it had been a waste of money if it didn't work.

I can completely understand your hesitation about egg sharing; that's an aspect I hadn't considered - because I was over 35 when starting this whole ttc malarkey I haven't ever really thought about it too much as I've always been too much of an old crone for it to be relevant

You're probably sick of people coming up with suggestions when no doubt you've thought of everything over and over again... but I would just say that there are some private clinics who would do all this testing for you as part of the initial consultations for an IVF cycle so you wouldn't have to keep waiting around. You probably wouldn't want to go abroad, but I know in Norway for example they carry out all sorts of prelim testing as part of the (free!) initial consultation... a lot of people who post on the Norway FF board have said they got more answers from that initial consultation (at least an hour with a consultant asking you hundreds of questions about your cycle, family history, medical history, etc etc) than they have in years of waiting around for the UK system to get to the bottom of their problem. Fortunately/unfortunately I was such a blank sheet that it didn't really apply to me - all completely unexplained, everything looked totally normal, and it was my first cycle, so I just got a standard protocol. Others with more complex backgrounds really have been wowed by the attention to detail and highly personalised treatment.

Even if you decided not to go any further with Norway, it's a free consultation and our Ryanair flights were about £40 each return. We treated the initial consultation as a weekend away and with all expenses it came to no more than about £350. For that we got 2 nights accomm, flights, an appointment with Norway's top IVF consultant, blood tests, sperm sample, ultrasound, and above all the feeling that we were being treated with lots of respect and as individuals.

End of hard sell about Norway!! I guess all I'm trying to say is that it might be worth thinking outside the box to feel as though you're making some progress... it must be so tedious for you at the moment.

As for me - well, I can't imagine using the words "disposable" and "income" in the same sentence from now on, I have to say! Have been looking at starting to buy stuff before we move out to Zurich at the end of this month. Everything out there is SOOO expensive so it makes sense to get it now - although every time I get to the online checkout I get too scared to actually go through with the purchase as it all seems a bit too early! Am 17 weeks and not particularly enjoying pregnancy (am I allowed to say that?). I have elephant-like feet already, none of my shoes fit me and as I was a size 7.5/8 that means nothing fits me! I have developed carpal tunnel syndrome in my wrists which means DH sometimes has to cut my food up for me... yikes, I have no idea how much worse these things are going to get! The bubs are coming on well though, no idea of sex yet but we'll find out soon I hope.

Scorpio yay another girlie so not Dexter then....
LL hello, how are you getting on? The tests they want to do are because when they did the L&D after the EP they thought they saw scarring in the uterus, which would meant that the problem is with implantation. If that's the case then IVF doesn't give us any better chance of a sucessful pg so there's little point in wasting £4k on it. They want to look again to be sure if it's really there or not as the HSG I had didn't suggest there was scarring, so there's an element of uncertainty about this scarring. Have spoken to the clinic about egg sharing but not sure about it yet. I don't have a problem with sharing as such, but I'm not sure I could do it until I had a child of my own. If I never have a kid and my sharer did I'm not sure how I'd feel. Also because of adoption rules I'd be a known donor, so the kid could find out who I am at age 18, which could be hard if by that time I've had to resolve myself to never having kids. If we manage one kid then I would consider egg sharing to fund a second child as I don't expect we will have the disposable income once we've had number one!

Really hope you can get some positive news soon nomore. Can I ask (tell me to shut up if you like!) why you need to go through all these tests if you're paying for the next round of IVF yourselves? I suppose it can't do any harm while you're waiting to get the funds.

And another annoying question (!) from me - have you thought about egg sharing? I know it's not for everyone but it obviously makes the financial burden far less oppressive.

Don't ever give up girlie - you'll get there. Hope you're managing to enjoy other aspects of life while you're in this horrible TTC queue. xxx

A GIRL

yay!! so amazing.

keep going nomore

Scan tomorrow here

The fertility clinic want to run yet more tests, to be honest I'm not really 'engaged' in it at the moment, it's just another hoop to jump through before we can go for IVF again, which won't be for a while yet as we need to save up the cash. So really we're not doing anything constructive, just being processed through the system

Am still here (well occasionally). Thanks for bumping us out of oblivion, Nomore . What's the latest from your fertility clinic?

DS is coming along nicely and keeping us entertained. He seems to have stopped his frequent cluster feeding in the evenings which gives me a bit more freedom (though had got quite used to being waited on by DH!) though at the moment it does seem that he's not lasting as long without waking at night as a result.

I found Ready's birth story on the pregnancy TTC Grads thread for anyone that hasn't already read it - bit of a feat of endurance but well done Ready.

Hi girls it's been very quiet, what are you all up to?

nomore thats so rude of them, its not like they are ringing you about a bloody pair of shoes or something!

I'm glad she got a Bug she will love it We have a Bug Bee at the mo, but must buy a P&T for Smidge and Mimi.

It's only little movements, not 'kicks' as such, but still

3 weeks today 20 week scan

(((((((French hugs nomore)))))))

bloody fertility clinic didn't get back to me after all. i rang them at 4.45 and apparently the secretary will ring me tomorrow to make an appointment for the doc to ring me....harumph! i'm so fed up

Gutted nomore- was hoping you could knit some Uggs for nomorette! (sounds like Nicorette!!!!)

Ready's name should be Readyornot!!!

Sorry Scorpio
When I last spoke to Ready (on Tues) there was no news of baby, she said she's let me know when she went into labour/hospital and I haven't heard anything yet.....btw she got a bug
Waiting for fertility centre to get back to me, will update you all tonight.

That's great news, Scorpio I didn't feel DS until about 22 weeks (I know it's usually late for the first one but even so) and was getting quite paranoid waiting for it. It must be very reassuring.

Nomore Sorry things are tough . It is not fair. Have you had your fertility centre appointment yet?

Ready Don't forget to come and let us know once you've had your baby Sits back and waits (im)patiently... Did you buy a bugaboo in the end then?!

Gilly How are things on the house front?

Hello to everyone else. DS is sound asleep (not for much longer, I suspect) so better make the most of it. He's still growing fast but is very contented and smiley.

Ahem i said i can feel the baby

MW check went well and despite v small bump baby growing perfectly very happy and relaxed now.

How are you all? Is Ready a mummy yet? I still don't know which buggy she bought

Sorry to hear that nomore, keep going and hope your appointment goes well next week.

Think i can feel Smidge moving

Afraid I won't be joining you puree Would have been nice to do it together Oh well, fertility centre appointment next week, will see what they say about the L&D / HSG results.

Wow! Congratulations

Yay!!!!

really?? That's fantastic!!!!

[whispers: appear to be pregnant.]

Nah just baby mad :-) lol

Scorpio You are an amazing woman xx

Well I want to egg donate and if I can do it to help someone who I know will adore the baby and really wants it and would be the best mum, then that's all the better!! Of course u can rain check in 10 yrs, or one or five or whatever! I will let you know when I do it just incase it happens near a time you may need or want it, you know what I mean

Ahh, I mis'heard' you - I read dash and thought vibe I like them both tbh, I think I just like the clever-ness of the P&Ts double.
You're a very very good friend and kind person to consider egg donation. Never say never, but hopefully for the time being my eggs are good. Can I take a rain check for 10 years time though???
PS I'm symptom spotting like mad this cycle, even though I ought to know better The Clomid has got my hopes up!

Hi nomore oh goodness your eggs do sound amazing then!! Just i have known you for a long time now and you know how i feel over egg donating

Anyway, my friend has a vibe and its quite heavy, the dash is v similar to the sport and less chunky on the bars etc iyswim. I'm hoping to get the black graffiti set, as i don't like the red, and black will be fine for boy/girl, or girl/girl.

I wonder what this baby is? I think Boy Dexter, DH wants another girl.

Hiya scorps I'm pretty sure my eggs are ok (I'm only 31 so I hope they are!) We got lots of eggs grown at IVF and nearlly all fertilised (I think we harvested about 16 and 14 fertilised) Personally I think it may be a problem with implantation as the L&D doc said he could see scar tissue on my womb but we will find out for sure at the follow up appointment in a couple of weeks (Yes, the L&D was early Apr and the follow up is mid-July...)
I love the P&T vibe, it looks great, but there are some not-so-good reviews of it. Hopefully they are just teething problems with a new model and nothing more serious, but google for reviews.

nomore - the heat and hormones don't match do they.

Can i ask you something? Has anyone ever said that an egg donor may be a way for you? I mean that that may help you have a baby?

Hi

God havent been on mn for ages! Yes thankyou Scan was excellent, EDD of 25th Dec, lol. Also low risk of downs from scan & bloods.

Though i am a little concerned about baby as i weigh 8st 8, and im 5'9, but midwife says keep eating and baby is a good size, so...must be ok.

Im waiting to feel first movements now, today i'm 14+6. 20 week scan 5 weeks tomorrow, oddly on 20 weeks exactly!

I am double buggy perving and like the P&T dash.

I'm ok thanks Though this cycle seems to be going on forever, it's only day 18 but it feels like a really long cycle. I think I'm getting my hopes up about the Clomid working, even though I know it's unlikely. And the heat is making me feel rotten too
How are you? Where are you at with your first Clomid cycle? Weren't you a bit ahead of me?

That's great for Scorpio- how are you nomore?

[waves to Sybil]

Hiya Sybil How are you?
Scorpio's got scan pics on her FB account so I guess all is well. She's got an EDD of Xmas day too!!

Did anyone hear back from Scorpio? Hope her scan was ok.

I hear you, nomore. Hormones are evil [though happy to eat my words when they work!]

That would be nice puree Are you in the middle of hormone hell as well? The things we put ourselves through eh?

everything crossed nomore- would be nice if we could be antenatal buddies too.....had forgotten how much it sucks to feel like this raging hormonal evil beast!

puree I'm hoping I'll be able to learn from your previous success! I'm on day 2 (bloody AF arrived when I was on the plane on the way home) so have taken the first tablet today.

Cycle buddies- don't know if I'm worthy of such a well-travelled individual

Scorpio will be waiting with baited breath on wed. It's going to be a busy week with rah being induced on Monday too

purée we may be cycle buddies, I'm waiting for AF too though hopefully not before we get home, the toilets here leave rather a lot to be desired!

Scan on wednesday

Hey Scorps- great news ;)

Nomore- yay, we shall be Clomid twins again!!

Sybil- assume you are talking knittery, which I don't do, but feel free to knit something for me!!

Waiting for the inevitable AF then I can start Clomid. Mixed emotions. But it only took 5 cycles last time, so who knows.....

hi purée I'll be joining you on the clomid soon I think. Have still got some from before the ep and ivf doc said to use it so I will do!
Scorpio glad you're well have you got the date for your scan?
sybil on rav find the group called mumsknitters, we're all there.
I'm still on hols and dh and I have made some decisions Will fill you in properly when I'm back

Great to hear all is well Scorpio! Very quiet on here though!

Guys, I have just joined Ravelry and know some of you were on so hoped you would give me the nod on which groups to join etc. If any of you are out there that is!

Hello havent been on mn for a month now, lol

I'm doing ok, 12+1, waiting for scan, though i hear heartbeat on my doppler so am v relaxed.

How are you everyone, nomore?

So I'm back on Clomid......psycho moody cow here we come ;-)

Hey nomore- how was your vacation?

<waves to purée>

Checking in........s'very quiet!!

Hello. Quick wave to everyone.

Gilly Not long to go now until your review appointment. Hope it goes well - thinking of you.

Nomore Saw on the other ttc no 1 thread (I manage to lurk on here if not post very often) that HSG went ok, even though it hasn't given you any answers. So frustrating...

Mistlethrush Sorry to hear about DH's job situation - hope something turns up soon.

Pureeandpearls Sounds like you had a busy week. Know what you mean about being knackered but happy

Scorpio, Ready, Sybil and everyone else, hope you're all ok and everyone has a good weekend.

[pops head round the door]

Hobnobs- hat a scrummy baby. And what a fab outfit Gilly. How clever you are (though Nomore did do me a heavenly pair of Uggs for babypearls.....)

Nomore- absolutely everyting crossed.

Have had such a busy week with babypearls (can I still call her that?) FIRST birthday and Christening. Utterly knackered. But happy.

Wanders off to bed, pondering the fact that my boobs hurt like buggery yet BFN.]

We did find that we got served very quickly when we took MJ along with us a couple of years ago....

Recycle the tips that is, not the showrooms!

It was the one about car showrooms, I think they must recycle them
I didn't know there was an onlies section, there have been some new topics added recently that I'm slowly discovering, though 'onlies' isn't one I'd drift into.
Sorry to hear about your DH, mine is looking at his career too, though it is his choice to do so, not because of redundancies.

I wonder what tip of the day that was???

I did put something on about car showrooms, but I'm pretty sure that it wasn't yesterday... but anyhow!!!!

I've found a little place on the 'onlies' section which I seem to fit into.

Nothing happening on the ttc front - doesn't help that dh is jobless - the firm he worked for went into administration in Jan and he has been looking since to no avail (do you know anyone that wants a really good IT manager/ architect?)

We're off to SE Asia, so it's not really a sitting on the beach discussing life, the universe and everything type of holiday, but there is an 18hr flight each way (and some internal flights too) to provide us with plenty of time to think about jobs and babies.
<waves to MT> - I saw your 'tip of the day' yesterday and was wondering how you were

WOOHOO! HOBNOBS! And Congrats Scorpio, and good luck Nomore!

Goodness Nomore, these things always come in one go don;t they? I have everything crossed for you both for a good outcome throughout .

Where are you going on holiday?

Yay for you!! About time!

I don't really mind about the gender, DH always seems to want to know so i give in.

Thanks scorpio Are you going to find out the gender again? So you will know if it's a Dexter or not?
Well I've got a HSG appointment. A week tomorrow, so here's hoping we might have something to work from. DH has a big review at work in the next couple of weeks which may well determine his future and I have the HSG and hopefully some more info/answers to determine our ttc future, so our holiday will be one of soul searching and decision making I think. I only hope there actually are some answers this time!

I'm still set on a Dexter you know!

I'm crossing fingers, toes, eyes, legs, everything for you nomore!

Congratulations Scorpio. Great Christmas present.

Nomore Best of luck with getting the HSG appointment. Really hope it gives some answers.

Gilly Baby hobnobs is enjoying wearing your handiwork - it's definitely easier to put on than some of the other cardigans he's got. Glad you've got the results for the first lot of tests and they're fine though it must frustrating not having any answers. I have no words of wisdom but I truly believe you will get there.

Hello to everyone else.

Period arrived this morning, so wish me luck for tomorrow with getting a HSG apointment for next week...fingers crossed. We're off on holiday in two weeks!!
Scorpio - Christmas day, how cool is that!! Glad all's well with 'smidge'

Scorpio congratulations, that must be the best Christmas present ever! How about Holly or Noel for names?

Nomore I'm OK, a bit up and down really. I hope you get your appt this mth. When are you off on your holidays?

Helo all!

MW EDD 25th Dec, LOL

Hobnobs - well done to you and lovely name

Yes i had scan on Tuesday, and 'Smidge' is fine , very small looking bean thing

hobnobs he's soooo cute (especially in that outfit - well done gilly) and he has a lovely name too.
Hi gilly how are you doing? Apart from all the waiting of course. I'm waiting for AF so I can try to get my HSG appointment for this month.

WOW! He is a a lovely baby Hobnobs. You must be so proud. I have never seen any of my handy work modelled so beautifully! Thank you!!!

Just called the GP and all my tests were fine. It was only half the level 1 tests though but at least we are over that hurdle. Roll on the 4th June for the review appt and hopefully the Hammersmith will do all the other tests we want. Like my GP said, you ain't getting any younger so push for them! I seem to spend all of my life waiting for the next step

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ps Scorpio is it your scan today? I'm thinking of you x

Congratulations again hobnobs
<waits impatiently for the photo>

Awww, it sounds as if you did fantastically well hobnobs and I am now a bit jealous that I never got to see dh in scrubs... Do let us see a photo and tell us the name - also, how much did he weigh?

Take care of yourself and don't try to do any housework (that's what paternity leave is for ) birthing and breast feeding is exhausting and you need to sit on the sofa with your feet up and lots of tea and biscuits.

Hello again! Sorry for keeping you waiting but here are some of the (gory) details! Warning - mammoth me post!

As I said, I had acupuncture on the Monday afternoon (and a thai chicken curry). Started contractions around 11pm on Monday night - tried to go to sleep but couldn't so had a bath, thinking that might slow them down or speed them up. If anything, it made them more painful so woke DH up at 1am to help me put tens machine on. Watched (well, in the loosest possible sense!) a film, by which time they seemed to be coming every 3-4 minutes - hospital said not to come in until I'd had an hour like that. However, then had another bath which somewhat annoyingly seemed to slow them down. At 10.30am rang them again, as I didn't think I'd felt the baby move for some time so they asked me to come in for monitoring, though said they might send me home again. Naturally, felt it kick on the way to the hospital!

Spent most of the day and night in the midwife led unit, mostly with gas and air. However, when the midwife who'd been with me left at 8pm, she reckoned I was nearly 9cm dilated. However, new midwife revised that back to 5cm - where we'd been hours earlier - suspect truth was somewhere in between. As you can imagine, that was very disheartening and whilst we ploughed on with gas and air, a shot of pethedine and the birthing pool, it was a very slow process - think I was just too tired. Though I did eventually get back to 10cm by the early hours of the following morning, the second stage was taking forever (ok 2hr 43 - but felt forever, after two nights with no sleep!) and baby's heart rate was dropping so eventually I was taken to the delivery suite and then the theatre and given an epidural followed by a forceps delivery at 6am on the Wednesday. Was a slightly surreal experience as the last bit all happened very quickly (had to sign a consent for C-section in case the instrumental delivery didn't work so DH has a photo of him in scrubs ) and not quite my planned water birth but the important bit was that he came out healthy and happy!

He is gorgeous - will post his name on my profile with a picture when I have a moment - if exhausting though last night we managed to get him to sleep all night (well, not without waking up!) in his moses basket which was a breakthrough. I lost a bit of blood so DH has been feeding me lots of iron rich foods and generally being a star - gave him a bit of a shock when I woke up on Monday afternoon shivering with a temperature of 41C - some kind of infection that seems to be responding to antibiotics and am much better now. Breast feeding is going well though feels a bit non-stop at times.

Thanks for all your good wishes and a big wave from me and baby hobnobs to everyone.

<nomore looks in for more news of baby hobnobs>
Hiya Ready how are you? Blooming I hope

Congratulations Hobnobs and family. How very exciting. Looking forward to hearing all about it.

How is everyone doing?

congratulations hobnobs
<awaits gory details>

Fantastic Hobnobs! Congratulations to you and Mr Hobnobs. Give us all the gory details when you get chance. What is Hobnobs jr's name btw?

Gilly I'm so sorry you are feeling down my love but at least your gp sounds excellent.

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE HOBNOB FAMILY!!!!!!!!

Nomore- send hugs as ever, and hope you have a lovely holiday.

Gilly- patience is a tough one to learn. stay strong.

(((hugs to all others)))

YAY! Congratulations Mr & Mrs Hobnobs!!!

Sorry for silence! Finally started contractions on Monday night (after acupuncture and Thai chicken curry!) and our beautiful baby boy was born at 618am on weds weighing 7lb 7oz. Did not quite get planned water birth as ran out of energy and his heart rate started to drop so ended up with instrumental delivery in end but we're all well. Will post more details later.

Gilly - glad GP was supportive but sorry you're feeling low.

Hi Nomore, I’m OK. Just a bit up and down. Last Friday was not good as DH’s step sister announced her 1st pregnancy and of course MIL is very excited. I keep thinking that we would have had a two year old now (can you tell my old due date is haunting me again?)or at least some good news ourselves so feeling low because of that.

Just back from the GP. She was very sweet and sympathized at loosing four blasts. I got more sympathy out of her than I ever will from the Hammersmith! She has agreed to do as many of the Level 1 Immune tests as the PCT allow her to do. Effectively it comes out as half of them but she is unable to do the blood clotting panel and the kyrotyping. These have to be done via secondary care referral so she asked us to push the Hammersmith to do them. We have tried to bring the review appt with the Hammersmith forward but there are no appts at the moment so I just need to be patient (not my strongest virtue!).

I wondered if hobnobs going quiet was a good sign!!
Sorry you're feeling low gilly

Hi Rah, how are you doing? When are you due again? I'm afraid that my only indulgence is licorice at the moment. I have been feeling quite low . Got a letter from the Hammersmith with an appt for the 4th June which is only 5 weeks but to me seems an eternity so I may try to bring it forward. I am seeing our GP tomorrow to see if she will do level 1 immune tests on me and kyrotype testing for both of us. After 1 mc, years of ttc and loosing 4 blastocycsts I am bringing to wonder if there is something more serious going on and we should try to get it sorted before our next IVF.

p.s. I know something about Hobnobs!

ohhhhhhh noremore where u going on holiday? Love holidays hope u get ur appointment through asap xxxx

Hobnob hope all is going well ur end

Gilly - thinking of u and hope ur indulging urself. Any news on ur next app?

Love to everyone xxxx

Positive vibes to Hobnob xx

Hi all, Hobnobs have you tried a (fairly) hot meal? This has worked for me in the past. Then again, you could put your feet up and take advantage of the last few days of peace before the storm hits!

Still here but making inroads into all those little jobs I've been meaning to do for years but never had time for! Just need to bounce a bit more on the ball.... I guess.

Hope everyone is enjoying the nice weather and has a lovely weekend. Nomore Glad you've got a holiday to look forward to Really hope that you get the HSG out of the way before then.

Big wave to everyone else.

Hiya Rah glad your getting to enjoy the nice weather I'm OK, waiting for a HSG after the L&D wasn't conclusive (yes I know it's all back to front!) but at the moment I'm not thinking about ttc and instead looking forward to our holiday in June instead! I hope that I'll get the HSG appt in before we go so when we get back we can move forward with something even if at the moment I don't know what.

hi nomore, I good thanks

Went for a 4d scan today and all looks good. She looked really cute. I'm 31 weeks now and getting very fat. Glad the summer is coming too as it's great to be out and about more and sitting out in the garden. Not much else going on except a few weddings coming up, so need to pull an outfit together for those. Have a dress just need hair ass, shoes and bag! So need a shopping trip.

How about u, what u been up 2? Xxxx

I saw that - that's why I didn't post in the Hut - I didn't want to breeze in there and say 'thank goodness you're ok' when lissie wasn't

Hi no more, I was just checking up on lissie as i saw her post in there in active convos and worried

I went to GP today and he referred me for early scan; now just waiting for appointment.

Hi Rah How are you?
Scorpio I got really worried when I saw you'd posted in the hut How's things? Did you see you GP today?

hi all

Hope everyone is well

Gilly, glad the museum day was not too bad.. Been thinking of u, how are u and have u got much planned?

Noremore, hope u are ok. We were only entitled to one go on the nhs by my pct. I think it's crazy when areas like Glasgow get three fresh cycles and any frozen they can get off the back of those too! Seems so unfair that it's so un equal. Why is it not the same all around the country? Crazy! And unjust!! It's so hard doing assisted treatment let alone having to find the funds. Talk about extra pressure!

Hope baby hobnob makes am appearance soon xxx

Scorpio - many congratulations

Hi to everyone else, also does anyone know what the drug protcol is for someone receiving donor eggs?

Love to everyone Rah xxxxx

More bouncing required Hobnobs, and some raspberry tea (also try using breastpump if you have one....nipple stimulation is supposed to get things moving)

I am still here Think baby hobnobs is far too comfortable though it did feel a bit like it was moving a bit into position last night! Thanks for the tips, Puree. DH would eat Chinese takeaway every evening if he could but I am not quite so keen - might spend a bit more time on my ball!

Scorpio Congratulations and keeping fingers, if not legs, crossed.

Scorpio, Scor-pi-o, S-C-O-R-P-I-OOOOOOOOOOOO

[puree does mad dance]

We'll be back to ttc when AF arrives post-wisdom teeth extraction. Not that I feel much like kissing when I have so few teeth

Hi guys, Scorpio what fantastic news!!! I'm sure it is going to be good news all the way.

Gilly so sorry it didn't work out this time but good news on the house and I'll start crossing my fingers now for the next time shall I?

Any news on Hobnobs yet?

Glad to hear it - I've said it before but a good GP is worth their weight in gold

DH & I are going tothe GP together on Thursday to request a referral to EPU. He should oblige as is old fmaily friend.

scorpio Congratulations and (((hugs))) too. Will you be able to get an early scan to check everything's well/put your mind at rest?

Come on baby! Must see baby pics!

Just a little announcement - I'm 5 weeks pregnant and a little scared!

come-on baby Hobnobs.....

[Chinese food worked for me- that and a lot of bouncing on the ball....]

<excited about mini-hobnobs's imminent arrival>

Nomore Sorry to hear that you haven't managed to get your HSG done this month Very frustrating - I hope that means that you get priority next month.

Gilly Hang in there - I hope you're recovering physically and emotionally. Fingers crossed you don't have to wait too long for the review appointment - lots of positive vibes etc coming your and Nomore's way. Good news on the house front - looks like you'll have a busy summer.

Well, tomorrow is technically my EDD but not holding out much hope - it's far too comfy in there! Saw the midwife today and am now 3/5 engaged so making some progress but no signs of imminent labour. I think DH is more impatient than me now though suspect I'll be climbing the walls if it's still there in a week's time. (Have a sweep booked for next Wednesday when will be 41+1). Fingers crossed baby hobnobs makes an appearance before then!

Nomore, you are more than entitled to feel fed up. You have had your fair amount of set backs and bad luck . You have worked and saved hard for your treatment and I have everything crossed and nagging St Gerard big time to make the next one your successful cycle. I know I am very very lucky to have received funding for 3xIUI and 2xIVF. If I lived in the London Borough I work for I would have had to go on a 2 yr waiting list for a single cycle. I have met someone who has not got any funding beyond IUI and she is considering stopping at this because they cannot afford IVF . It is really not fair that the PCTs do not have the funding available to fund the recommended 3 cycles for everyone. I must say that I have learnt a lesson from your experiences and we started to save up for a private IVF cycle whilst we were doing IUI. We had to dip into the funds to take the embies to blasts during this cycle but at least we have some money to go ahead privately if the second try doesn’t work. It really takes all the enjoyment of making a baby, all this money talk

Rah, Ready, A&B, P&P, Scorpio, Wheely and Hobnobs; thank you for all your messages. Please keep sending your good vibes – Nomore and me need you all more than ever

Hobnobs, how is the last week of your pregnancy? Don’t keep us on tenterhooks when young Hobnobs makes an appearance!!!!

The museum family day yesterday was not too bad but there was a mum with a little baby and she was breast feeding her at the back of the room. I had to steer well clear from her just for my sanity.

(((hugs))) to Gilly and Nomore, wish I could do more xxx

Hi gilly nice to see you
I rang to get the HSG appt on day one of my cycle and didn't get in this month, so will have to try again next month.
So sorry this cycle didn't work, but look forward to the next one, spend the time concentrating on houses and it won't seem so bad. I'm very of you getting funding for another go, we spent 8/9 months saving for a second go at IVF only to be set back by the EP, L&D and now the HSG. It's now been a year since we started our NHS IVF cycle and it's been a totally wasted year in ttc terms. (Sorry, I'm feeling fed up today too!)

Sorry to hear your news Gilly . Thinking of you xxx

Hello my lovlies, thank you for all your lovely messages

Today was the official test day - BFN. I have emailed Hammersmith Hospital my result and now need to wait for a review appointment before I can trigger funding for the next cycle. Review appointments can take months and so can the funding application so I am not expecting to do the next cycle until possibly October. Anything earlier will be a bonus. I'll try to push for a cancellation as this has served me well in the past.

I know I need to give my body a break though and get 6 weeks of drugs and emotional upheaval out of my system. We have had an offer accepted on a house so we will hopefully be spending the summer moving and decorating so that should keep me busy. Still, I would have loved to have designated a room for the baby and enjoyed having a child for Christmas - something I have wished for soooo long.

Anyway, enough about me. How are you all and how are those babies and tums?

Nomore hun have you heard from the hospital about your appointment yet? Chase them up!

How are you feeling now gilly?
Thinking of you lots xxx
<waves to rah and ready>

Sending big hugs Gilly, I am so sorry that it didn't work for you this time. Please look after yourself.

gilly sending big hugs and have been thinking of u loads.
Be gentle on yourself! Bin off the museum and go on a shopping spree... U deserve it!
It's hard to have the energy to keep picking ur self back up and having faith and trust in anything, trust me I very nearly gave up! But it will happen I promise...
Sending lots of love and hope ur follow up appointment happens soon xxxxx

Oh Gilly I really am so sorry - I know what you mean about deadlines you give yourself coming and going when you're ttc-ing and a little bit about how that feels (though nothing compared to all the energy you've invested in IVF). It will happen for you - I'm sure of it - and I hope that you don't have to wait too long for funding for the next cycle to come through.

Gilly - i don't know what to say to help, but please know i am thinking of you.

Gilly.

I wish there was more I could say but its just not fair.

I hope your review appointment comes through quickly and that the 2nd lot of funding comes through quickly.

Thinking of you.

I am utterly gutted, I wanted a baby for Christmas so badly

I had tx last Monday and right up until Friday the progesterone was really making itself felt - boobs ached, very tired and feeling nauseous. Then by Friday afternoon the period pains started on and off and I had a break through bleed on Monday afternoon and more stuff today.

I knew I wasn't pregnant because when I was in 2006 I knew before I even tested. I had the most horrible taste in my mouth a week before I was due to test. I now always look for that symptom and have never had it since.

Period 12 days after EC is about right for my cycle given that I have a maximum of 26 days cycle. I'll still test on Friday (2ww +2 days!) but it seems a bit pointless now. Contacting the clinic after testing triggers a review appoint though God knows when that will be and hopefully we can start the process of applying for second NHS funded cycle.

I'm back at work from today. No doubt it'll hit me good and proper in a few days, maybe on Saturday when I am working at a museum family event (oh joy!)

Oh Gilly.... so very sorry... ((HUGS))
Why is life so bloody unfair...Stay strong and will be thinking of you... sending you the biggest hug and all my love

Rah Xxxxx

Gilly I'm so sorry . Have been thinking of you lots over the last few days. It's just not fair.

So sorry Gilly. Goodness knows how you must be feeling - I wish you all the strength in the world. I'll be thinking of you.

oh (((gilly))) I know exactly how you feel - look after yourself and do whatever you need to do to get through the next few days. xxxx

Hi all, hope you have had a lovely Easter break.
Hi Rah and Wheely, so lovely of you to think of me and look for me – I feel truly loved

I'm afraid that the latest update is that my period started this afternoon 12 days after EC so I guess that we are out for this cycle. My test day is Fri (16 days after EC!) so I'll still test but it will be no surprise when it comes up negative

Is a baby that much to ask for?

Hi all

GILLY (((HUGS)) I have been thinking of you loads.... so pleased you got some blasts. sorry its been a big shock losing the other embies...
I can remember at my clinic them telling me how hard it is getting them to blast and its unlikely they would have anything to freeze.

So glad you are feeling more positive about your eggies... any names?
There was a girl that was doing IVF that called hers Rambo and Rocky... Thought that was very cute!

horizontal is my preferred position!! I mean I like lying down a lot you dirty bunch!

Nomore - So sorry the lap and dye did not give you the answers you needed. It seems ridiculous that they would do that procedure and then say they need to do another one ((HUGS)) Could you speak to them about jumping the waiting list considering how long you waited for your lap and dye? Ask them if anyone drops out could you take their place?

Hello to everyone else... hope you are all well.

Hi Gilly - just popping in to say - good luck ! Am glad you have got this far but sorry to hear you're feeling disappointed. Will keep you in my thoughts and hope you are suitably busy in the 2WW to make things go as quickly as possible (althouhg am sure they will still drag). I so hope this is it for you. Stay strong !

Hi all
Nomore, I know what you mean about frosties. I would have wanted to give them a chance of life too . I was all for donation but I can’t because of my age (a very old 35 obviously!).

PnP, I’m sure your dental appt will be fine, the build up is always worse that the actual deed I find. Whenever I go to the dentist and need to have my gum numbed I start craving crisps which are hard to eat when you can’t feel anything!

Hobnobs, hope mini-hobnobs turns soon

Hi Ready how are you?

I’m OK. I was just so shocked at the huge come down on Monday and I was very unprepared for it. I think I was just protecting myself for a bad outcome. I am feeling a lot better today and much more positive. I talk to my blasts and tell them to snuggle in for the long ride. DH gave 'us' a pep talk and I have virtually horizontal since returning from hospital on Monday. The dishwasher won't drain and the flat is a tip but I am not lifting a finger (very unlike me). I have indulged in every auction and property programme on TV as well as Diagnosis Murder, Pirates of the Caribbean, West Wing and Mad Men. There is a limit to how much TV a woman can watch! I need to get out today as I am suffering from a bit of cabin fever so we are going to the Picasso exhibition this afternoon. Then tomorrow we are off to Harrogate to stay with family for Easter. I have also been listening to the Zita West IVF relaxation CD which I very good for visualization and my Taize meditation CD.

gilly my darling, glad you're back. I've beed waiting to hear from you. Don't feel down about only having 2 left - I had exactly the same thing from more eggs only 2 were suitable for tx at 3 days. Stay positive, it only takes one Really hope this is the one. Our clinic said it was more common to not have embryos for freezing than to have some for freezing, though I was really expecting to have some to freeze dexpite them saying that! On the positive side it did mean I didn't have the moral dilema of freezing embryos - I felt I couldn't leave them to die (like I owed them a chance of life) but also thought if we ended up with the 2 kids we wanted and still had frozen embryos then I would still feel obliged to give the embryos a try. Does that make sense or have I just rambled?

Gilly Sending you lots of virtual hugs. It sounds like it was a real roller coaster day. Please stay positive.

Pureeandpearls Thanks for the tips about pillows. Am doing my best to encourage mini-hobnobs to move! Good luck with the dentist.

Keep strong Gilly- it will happen.

(((hugs))) nomore.

Hobnobs- I was all about the pillows towards the end. Back to back does make for a more uncomfortable labour, so I'd do your best to move mini-hobnob- birthing ball bouncing, lying on your left. But I can recommend the drugs in the delivery ward

I keep dreaming I'm going to die when I have my teeth out!!!!

Hi all, out of the 6 that were doing so well we only had 2 blasts left of medium/good quality (but more towards the medium) to transfer. 2 others stopped dividing at 8 cells and 2 had started to degenerate so we had nothing to freeze. We consider ourselves lucky to have made it this far but it has been a blow to my confidence after a text book cycle. It is very hard to remain positive for the rest of the cycle but I’m trying.

Gilly Hope it all went ok this morning.

Ready Lovely to hear from you. How are you keeping? Fortunately, I've not had any back ache and at the moment, am mostly sleeping better than I have done for most of the pregnancy, thanks to the purchase of my Dream Genii pillow a couple of months ago (Was awake between 4 and 6.15 this morning but that's now the exception rather than the rule). Saw the midwife today and baby is still back-to-back so she suggested half an hour on all fours each morning and evening Well, if it works, it's worth a try!

Nomore I am so sorry that you didn’t get the answers that you hoped for. Hope you are not in pain for long. Just keep thinking that it is another step closer to getting more answers. I know I am a pain in the rear with my optimism, but you have to keep strong. Hugs.

Gilly, fingers and toes crossed for you. I really hope it all goes well and the 2ww flies by for you. I am really excited for you, and hope that the outcome is a positive

Hobnobs, have you been suffering with backache do to the back to back? How do you sleep at night? I read that sleeping on your left hand side with knees propped encourages the baby to change position. Not long to go

Hope everyone else is just dandy.

Oh Nomore So sorry it hasn't given you the answers you wanted . I always thought that L & D would tell you more than an HSG. I do hope you don't have to wait too long for an HSG - from memory, they're limited to when they can do it in your cycle but hopefully there won't be too much of a wait. I remember being told that there was an increased chance of pregnancy after it (even if it didn't work for me!) By the way, I think you're perfectly entitled to rant! Isn't that what this thread is for?!

Gilly Great news - they're doing really well . It sounds like you'll probably have some to freeze as well. Roll on 10am on Monday!

As far my baby lying back-to-back, I have to admit the midwife didn't seem that bothered about it - it's more from reading (on here and elsewhere), that I've discovered it's not ideal and can lead to greater back ache in labour. She wasn't the usual midwife and I've got my next check-up on Monday so will see what the normal one says then, or if, with a bit of luck, it's moved! (ever the optimistic emoticon!).

Sorry to hear that babes . I hope you get lots of sleep and rest now. Are you via a consultant at hospital or your GP? I hope that the follow up appointments and scans are done promptly and you are able to get a cancellation to speed up the process. Please take care of yourself.

Another positive call from the HH. We have 2x7 cells, 3x8 cells and 1x9 cells. Five are of excellent quality (Grade 1?) but one is of medium quality. I am guessing it is the largest one as yesterday it was described as developing too quickly which can weaken them. No more reports until TX at 10am on Monday so they are flying solo now. This five day wait is really nerve wracking!

gilly great news about the embryos being suitable for blastocyst transfer, does that mean transfer tomorrow or Mon? So pleased for you still crossing fingers of course, but all is so positive so far it's fantastic
I'm very sore today, yesterday I felt fine but I think the GA is worn off now as I feel pretty ropey! Unfortunately the L&D didn't give any clear anserws, they now want to do a HSG to look more at my uterus as the L&D shoed my RH tube is too blocked to fix and the LH tube wasn't very blocked at all - two little bits of endo but not enough to be blocking the tube. He did say there was lots of scar tissue iin my uterus though, and that's why they want to do the HSG. So really I've got no proper answers and have to join another waiting list instead Feel really cross, I thought the L&D would be worth the pain/wait/worry/fear/ everything else because it would at least give us a reason/answer but now I feel cheated
Sorry for big me me me rant there Hope everyone else is ok

Hobnobs, that sounds a bit ouch! What advice is the MW giving you about back2back babies? I was so excited when you texted me about preparing the nursery. I was off that day and almost invited myself round to help you build furniture .

Nomore I am sending lots of positive thoughts your way for your L&D.

How are you PnP?

hello to Scorpio, Ready and Sybil

Well, I got the call this morning and the embies are still doing well. Apparently text book embies for blasts. They are 3x4 cells, 2x5cells and 1x6 cells (the latter being a bit too fast so may not make it). Another call tomorrow but otherwise transfer on Monday at 10am. It could still go wrong but carry on thinking about these little ones and hope they make it to Monday

Hello. Bit that it's been so long since I posted, but I have lurked a bit so mostly know what's been going on.

Gilly Great news about the embies. Am keeping everything crossed for you - well, maybe not my legs as baby is currently lying back to back (or was last week) which apparently can make labour harder, so trying various positions to encourage it to move! Really hope there's even more good news tomorrow. Hope you'll be able to relax a bit and enjoy your time off.

Nomore Best of luck with the L & D tomorrow - really hope it gives you some answers or unblocks your tubes.

Scorpio Hope you're doing ok - has DH gone to Thailand yet?

Mistlethrush Just in case you lurk here, glad you've found a virtual home in the tea room - sounds fun!

A virtual hello to Pureeandpearls I don't think we've met. Sorry to hear about your mc. Good luck with the wisdom tooth extraction.

Wave to Ready, Toomuch and Sybil (and anyone else I've forgotten!).

I've been busy sorting out nursery, baby stuff and having work done on the house (nothing like packing it all in at the same time!) Am feeling a bit more in control now though - two and a half weeks to go - hope it's not too early as still one or two things I'd like to get done but much more prepared than two weeks ago!

Wisdom tooth extraction on top of a mc, oh P&P and lots of (((hugs))) to you!

Thanks for all your good vibes and finger crossing. Just heard from the clinic that out of the 10 eggs they were able to inject nine of them and six fertilised over night . They will keep an eye on them and call tomorrow. If we have 3+ they will continue monitoring and take them to blasts, if not they will advice to transfer possibly on Saturday. Not out of the woods yet but thinking lots of positive thoughts for those little ones!!!! I cannot believe I am putting myself through this extra wait and we even run the risk of not having anything to transfer, but then again if they didn’t make it to blasts would they have ever made it at all? I might still bottle it and ask them to transfer on Day 3 when they call tomorrow

Nomore, I did mention to the embryologist yesterday that their lab must look like a nursery. She said they even sing to them in the lab! Possibly some horrendous dad rock from the radio, but hey I'm up for anything that will keep the embies happy and growing

Thanks nomore- I'm surprisingly OK, really. So busy chasing after babypearls I suppose I haven't had the time to dwell on things. I've been thinking about you a lot this week. It's a shame you are on your own but it'll all be done soon.

Not the same thing at all but I'm having my wisdom teeth out on 16th. It's been making me very nervous (((hugs)))

[crosses fingers again for Gilly]

Glad you're ok gilly 10 eggs is great - esp from 10 follicles - often some don't have an egg so that's great that yours did Take it easy and I hope tomorrow's phone call is good news. I found it more stressful when everything was out of my control - I know egg growing isn't exactly 'in' your control, but it just felt (to me) that when the eggs/embryos were inside me I could look after them, now they're in the care of someone else. Though I'm sure they know what they are doing with them!!! I guess it's like the first day you leave your kid at nursery - just think of it as parenthood practice

L&D is Fri - am so nervous/worried I haven't slept all week. Doesn't help that Dh is away and I'm on my own until tomorrow evening.

P&P ((((hugs)))) how are you doing?

[squeezes eyes tighly shut to send Gilly special vibes]

P&P I'm so sorry to hear about your mc Lots of hugs xx

Nomore, when is your L&D? I know you will be fine!

I had 10 eggs collected today so waiting for the call tomorrow with baited breath to see how many fertilise. Keep the good vibes coming.

Thanks- it do suck sometimes. But I am luckier than so many so am tryig to be grateful for what I have. Philosophical so early on a Wednesday

((((P&P)))) to hear of the m/c and that you're not well either. Life's pants.

Babypearls is great, though growing too fast for my liking. I swear she answered me back tonight

Good idea to focus on the holiday- I had a miscarriage last week. Didn't know I was pg, but as I went down with flu the following day, I'm actually quite grateful since it meant I could take the anti-biotics. Odd that anti-biotics can take your mind off things!

p&p
I'm good, looking forward to some time off work after the L&D. (I'm not looking forward to the L&D mind you, but am trying to stay focussed on the time off afterwards!) How's DD doing?

Iiim fyine- hiow are you?

oops thought i'd proof read that

bump - didn't want to get lost down the list! hiow is evveryone?

I've found a tea room - ideal! Lots of beverages on offer, interesting food options during the day, and alcohol during the evening! Its on the one child thread, but doesn't exclude people with more or less ifyswim

MT - i too have found a spirital MN home - ttc#4. its less baby focussed and basically just chat with the odd 'oh im not pg' announcement, lol.

sorry! [foot in mouth]!!!

Perhaps a bit of breathing space would be a good thing.

I've moved away from this thread and found somewhere that suits - last autumn had real problems getting my head round the fact that it seems almost certain that ds will be an only... He's not helping at th emoment by saying 'when we get a baby, we'll put up a new cot....' etc...

Mimi is big huge git

No, she is loverrrrly and gorgeous and chubby and yummy and a little bit dribbly

DH will be away when im next fertile so get another month breathing space ,at which point i am hoping to have made a decision

Hi Scorpio - its difficult isn't it. Hope Millie is well

I have my period back after mc now, but im a little confused about ttc still/again.

Ds started school in September (gone private, he's in nursery, but stays for full school days now). He's settled in OK (and we've just got his first report ) although I think that he keeps his very experienced teacher on her toes due to general high spiritedness, general boundary pushing, and bundle of energy. He's currently eating for Britain and growing in proportion. I think he must have hollow legs - I don't know where else he puts it. He's 4 next month - where does the time go?!

Fingers crossed for the L&D - lets hope that it is sucessful - sorry to hear about the ectopic - the positives are that you know its possible - and its always meant to be easier once you have conceived...

Hi MT I'm good, 3 weeks away from a L&D (post-EP) before we carry on ttc - either naturally if the L&D unblocks things or through IVF in June if the L&D either can't unblock things or it shows nothing is blocked.
How are you anyway, apart from the not knowing what to do about ttc of course? How is your DS doing? Is he off to school in Sept? I've been thinking about you and hoping you were ok

Hi Nomore! How's it going?

Hi MT lovely to see you back too (sorry had to use the comic relief smilies!) All the old gang back together it's so lovely

Hello all, voice from the past <waves>

Sorry I've not been around for congratulations, fingers crossed etc.

Scorpio. Know exactly what you mean. I think that we're probably not ttc anymore. 1/4 isn't great odds and there was too much medical intervention and general unhealthyness and angst with the 3/4 not to put myself through it again. At least, I think that's what dh thinks - which makes it very difficult to ttc doesn't it!

Still can't persuade myself to get rid of the buggy, cots and baby clothes though. Will have to do that at some stage - I mean, ds is 4 next month (where does the time go?) and we've still got all of his outgrown clothes in the loft.

Gilly - fingers crossed. I got so close to it but avoided it twice by the skin of my teeth - its amazing what we'll do to ourselves to get a child isn't it.

Bags of fairy dust to everyone that needs it............

Hi Sybil, I did wonder where you had got to. Jamie is 9 mths? Wow how time flys. He sounds very cute How are your other kids? Thanks for your words of support about the injections. Sorry my description made you gag . I don’t like doing them but if it is what I have to do to get me closer to my dream then so be it .

Scorpio, I hate gloss painting but I hope he didn’t have to dip you into a bath of white spirit . It can be a pain to remove from skin . Is it coming off?
I understand your thoughts and feelings after a mc. So many emotions go through you. I wanted to get pg again so fast but at the same time protect myself from the emotional pain of loosing a baby again. This is a natural reaction, but like Nomore said the odds are on your side. You have three wonderful children and one angel you’ll never forget . If you would like to borrow my mc book, ask Nomore, she borrowed it after her EP. As for the suggestion on a study/career change etc that is natural too because you can control that but you cannot control fertility/mc/pregnancy. I did it, I went to the verge of depression and ended up applying for a job in London. Give yourself time to heal

Nomore, sorry about the limbo status. Are you still on clomid or holding off until after the L&D? (((hugs))) you will be doing IVF before you know it!

Toomuch and puree how are the babies?
Ready, how is the bump?
Hobnobs, hope you had a good holiday and are getting ready for the final stretch. When does the Icandy arrive?

Day 13 of downregging and for the past few days I have been suffering headaches because I have not been drinking enough and my stress and adrenelin levels have been sky high. Still, I'm off work today as I am working tomorrow. It is so good to at last have the exhibition open and we can all relax (a little). I am still in bed and today I'm going to have a nice bubbly bath, booked in for a massage at 3pm and try to get to a yoga class at 7pm

Scorpio hope you got cleaned up ok!
Sybil I@m waiting for L&D in 4 weeks before we start ttc again - I'm kind of in limbo at the mo! Glad you're back, I missed you

sybil thats really interesting what you say about stopping ttc....i kinda feel like that now, but not really sure why, even though i desperately wanted my fourth bean. Strange!

DH & I have been painting and we had a gloss fight, and now DH has said it wont come off, and i have a glossed bum

Nomore I have really missed you guys! I was wondering how you were doing after your ep and am amazed at how well you seem to doing. Fingers crossed that your IVF comes around quickly

Gilly - I have total respect for anyone who injects themself with such positivity, well done. I have to confess though that your description of the pin/butter slightly triggered my gag reflex . In my defence though I have never been particularly good with needles.

Hi sybil Lovely to see you back too. Sorry I forgot to link to the new thread on the old one. Glad you found us though!
(((scorpio))) thinking of you

OK what a numpty an I!!!! We have had another thread all this time and I completely missed it. I can't believe I have been watching the old thread and feeling really sad that we aren't all chatting any more and we were - just without me

Scorpio I therefore had no idea about your mc and I am so sorry. I hope that you are feeling better but second what others have said that it will take some getting over. I don't know if you remember but I had a mc before Jamie and I was really devestated. I stopped ttc to 6 months afterwards because I was unsure of whether I was really ready for that baby (even though I had been sure before hand) so I totally aware of where you are coming from now. Obviously I got over that as otherwise there would not be the gorgeous Jamie, but I think it is a natural part of the mc grieving process. It does pass with time.

Hobnobs and Ready - time is really flying, can't wait for the new arrivals!

Puree - hello fellow June 08-er!

Right, am off to read everyone's news more carefully and will come back. After hitting myself on the forehead a few times more...

I'm ok, a little upset last night but fine today, its odd. Period due soon you see and i guess its a weird time.

Sybil posted on the other thread - Jamie is 9 months already

waves back

How are you doing scorpio?

Nomore/Gilly - any cycle news?

Ready - how's the pregnancy hormones treating you?

(((hugs))) for Scorpio

wave to toomuch and gilly and nomore- it's a Tuesday, I think we need it!!

hey scorp - so sorry to hear about your wobble.. i guess you have plenty of time to make a decision and if you're not ready to use contraception you can always just see what happens and not make a decision anyway..

nomore - thanks for welcoming me back

babytoomuch is in his bouncer and giggling so thought i'd quickly log on and say hi!

Can't live with 'em, can't make babies without 'em
I think you know in your heart, don't you? You're scared and that's normal and totally ok. Hang on in there though, it'll get better I promise

i think i see a dc4 in my life alot more than i don't, i think im just scared. I know im not ready to use contraception iyswim...will chat with DH later if he has got over himself yet LOL. Men are ridiculous aren't they!

I think having a heart-to-heart with DH will be a very good idea You need to work it out together, but don't make any rash decisions - if I had been in a position to do so I might be in Oz by now! <nomore wonders if that wasn't such a bad idea after all..>

I guess I am. I don't think DH has been affected the same way, you see, and keeps saying 'oh it will be fine', when he can't say that anymore.

Think i will chat to him later.

I think you are trying to think of excuses tbh, but that's ok, it's normal. After the EP DH and I talked about emigrating and starting a new life without children and without trying for them. Maybe it's a stage in the grieving process. I know it was fuelled by us both being scared by what had happened.

thankyou nomore I know i can train whilst pg & afterwards, that part is fine, i think maybe im thinking of an excuse kind of? Have tried talkign to DH but he is tired at the mo and wasnt very approachable y'day.

I know if i said to him about not having one he would feel fine and i would worry he would 'ban' it if i did want one.....oh i don't know!

I think im having some sort of life change thing at mo and the mc has kinda caused it.

Scorpio You will be fine, I totally understand your wobble, I had the same heart-to-heart with DH before doing IVF, worrying that we were putting my body / our hearts / our relationship / our sanity through so much to try and have a DC, but we talked it through and decided that if we didn't try we'd never know what might have been. And it wasn't so bad in the end anyway. I'm sure you'll be holding a blue slimy bundle soon, the m/c was one unsucessful pg out of 4, so the stats are in your favour, and there's no reason you won't have a sucessful pg next time. However I do understand the emotional nightmare of daring to try again, after the EP I was scared to try again too. You can do all the other things you want to in life with 3 or 4 DC (or 5 or 6 ) but there's plenty of time to think about re-training as a nursery nurse later (I hope I'm not sounding patronising (or too old!) here, I don't mean to ) Or you could re-train whilst pg, it won't stop you I'm sure! ((((hugs))))

I'm having a wobble here.....I'm starting up thai boxing (ladies night + one other night), going to re-train as a nursery nurse (Sept start) and i just wonder if I'm/we are ok as we are......i don't know. i think i want another but im so sceptical of it happening and then just think i will lose it nayway its easier to solve that heartache by finding a life iyswim.

I can do the things above with a dc4, i know i can, i guess its just something i never see happeneing - actually holding that slimy blue bundle seems a million lifetimes away now

Anyone help me????

Hi again toomuch, glad your baby is keeping you busy! I'm doing ok, i guess, thankyou. physically fine anyway

Seem to have alot going on here all of a sudden, DH is off to Thailand in 3 weeks for 2.4 weeks, eeeek

Waves to nomore, hope youre ok my lovely?

I was thinking she was born in May after I posted! Think you're being sensible seeing GP, I've got 2 months worth of Clomid left which I'm thinking of taking after the L&D - in for a penny and all that Don't get too demoralised (((P&P)))

Nomore Babypearls is nearly 10 months. Cycles came back quickly (despite BFing) 3 in a row at 28 days and since then they have been as random as they were before I started Clomid, though yet to beat the infamous 122 day cycle!! Think I will speak to GP now that I am no longer on PND meds. I'd forgotten how quickly one becomes demoralised

toomuch HELLO!! So lovely to see you again! don;'t apologise for being busy being a mummy I think you've picked up the main headlines there, unless anyone else remembers anything I can't remember?
P&P I'd be tempted to take the Clomid but I think maybe seeing the GP would be wise. How old is baby P and how long ago did your cycles come back? Did you have cycles before or did you not have any because of PCOS? If you didn't I'm guessing you won't know when you cycles are back to 'normal' as there isn't a 'normal' cycle for you!! It's all so confusing isn't it!

oh my god... i cant believe how long it is since I've managed to get on here... I've missed you guys!

baby toomuch has just filled all my time and I have never really got into the habit of coming online.

I'm trying really hard to catch up but if anyone fancies doing a "previously on the trying to conceive number 1..." as all the tv programmes do.. that would be great!

From a quick look..

Ready - huge congrats!!!!! I am so pleased for you!!!!! Yay!!!!!

Nomore.. I can't believe what you've had to go through - sooooo unfair! How are you doing hin?

Gilly - Good luck with the IVF!

Scorpio - So sorry to hear about your MC How are you feeling?

Hobnobs and everyone else.. huge hello!

I'm doing really well. Baby toomuch is 5 months now! I can't quite believe it! He's an little angel - very smiley and content! I love being a mam it's fab and everything I expected it to be! Gilly and Nomore - I'll give his little belly a rub when I pop up later to bring you first baby luck [hopeful emotion]

Well hope I'm allowed back after such a long time away... sorry...

xx

Everything crossed for you Gilly....and well done with the jabbing. I know that you'd do it into your eyeballs if it guaranteed a baby but the idea makes me cringe. I'm no good with needles!!!

I'm OK....bit low because my cycles seem to be back up the swanee so will have to speak to GP as have six months Clomid in the cupboard and don't know whether I should just use it or not.....any thoughts welcome.

Hello to you all- MOndays are my work day so babypearls is in bed after getting worn out at nursery and I am in my PJs trying to stay awake long enough to see DH...he's got a job to do tonight

Hi Rah, its not a new thread hun, it’s this is the other TTC #1 thread . I have been posting on the other one too. You are more than welcome here of course, we are very friendly girls

Hi Ready, 21 weeks wow! You are certainly going to eb a speedy pregnancy, next up you’ll be saying that you are on ML! Had you had your scan yet> Tempted to find out the sex or are you keeping it secret [v.nosey emotion] I know I owe you an email – sorry I’ve not been good at keeping in touch as per usual

Nomore, my mum used to say that bad things happen for a reason. I believe her but I wish I knew the ‘why’ because sometimes the bad things make absolutely no sense to me and how good can come out of them. Hang on in there. Thanks for even suggesting that my first IVF cycle will work, I haven’t even allowed myself to think that far. I’m taking one day at a time and just hope I don’t react badly to the drugs.

Scorpio, chocolate for brekkie is a great healer – enjoy

Pureeandpearls, how are you?

Hi Hobnobs, blimey I owe you and email too – I’ve got to get my act together…

Update: I did it! I gave myself my first injection and it went well!! I thought skin was going to be tougher but it was a bit like pushing a pin into butter. I am so relieved the first one is over and done with, roll on the next four weeks. Feeling OK, a bit headachy but I may be dehydrated. From today I’ll be drinking 1.5l of water so hopefully that will sort out the headaches. Got my first reflexology for fertility appointment today too and really looking forward to it.

omg you tinkers you started a new thread. I've been posting on the old one and wondering where you all are!!! LOL

Nomore - I am eating chocolate for breakfast...... eek!

Hey girls, I didn't know this was here - I have missed you

How is everyone doing?

Gilly, it's natural to wobble, you wouldn't be human if you weren't susceptible to the odd wobble. Good luck with it all!
How lovely that you and hobnobs got to meet up

Nomore and Make sure you take the time to reflect your EP, no matter what else is going on in the world. It is important.

Hobnobs, I can't believe how fast the time has flown, not long to go. I am 21 weeks now

Hope all is well with everyone else

gilly I too hoped we'd cycle together, the stupid EP messed up all our plans for doing IVF around now Never mind, you'll just have to save me a seat on the BFP bus I'll be waiting at the next stop.
scorpio Glad you're gonig to mark your due date, I'm not too sure I want to with the EP, partly because I never got to that point with thinking I was pg and working out when it was due and partly because I think it will be around the time Ready's baby is due and I don't want to be thinking sad/negative thoughts at such a happy time.
P&P How to m/c on holiday (((hugs)))

That's a lovely idea Scorpio. YOu do always wonder, but you seem to be finding a way to cope (((hugs)))

Hey nomore of holiday. I mc on our last holiday so would like to go one just to put the memory to rest. Waiting to hear about brother's wedding though....So glad you are going away- Lord knows you deserve a break x

Gilly, thanks! Sorry you are still here of course, but shall keep everything crossed for IVF

Hi everyone, I am doing fine thankyou, my bleeding stopped after 6 painful nasty days, and i am ttcing again, I have moved on a bit, but will forever wonder. On Oct 8th we will go out together to mark our lost bean, and put him to rest

Flossy (sorry can't get used to your new name ) of course you are welcome here Exciting news about TTC no.2

Nomore, good on you for going on holiday - where are you off to? I really hope everything is fine with the L&D and you get to have your go in June/July. I must admit I feel a little bad to be doing IVF without you, I was so hoping we would cycle together. As the only other one TTC no.1 I feel I should be showing solidarity and waiting for you but alas NHS funding don't work that way!

Gilly you'll be fine - I had a wobble too and that's all it is a wobble. I think the enormity (sp?) of what I was prepared to put my body through for a baby suddenly hit me/became real. Don't worry, you'll be fine - keep thinking of the end result
P&P hiya Feel free to join the gang - Gilly and I are the only ones left still ttc no1 so if it wasn't for all the rest of you staying/coming back we'd be pretty lonely!! What was the 'advice of the medical professionals' bit about? [nosey]
If the L&D says we have to do IVF again (if tubes are blocked) then we won't be able to do anything until late June/July (we've booked a holiday for the beginning of June ) so there seems little reason to push to bring the appt forward. If the L&D unblocks tubes I have 2 more months of Clomid left so we'll be giving it our all then, but again we'll wait until after the holiday before doing so. We've denied ourselves a big holiday for the last couple of years because we've always been thinking that I might be pg or that we'll need the money for IVF but we saved like mad aiming to be doing IVF late Jan/Feb, so now we've got the money saved but can't do anything til after L&D (if we still need IVF after L&D of course...) GRR!

Hi guys- just popping in to say hello [whispers: we are trying for babypearls 2 on the advice of the 'medical professionals'....will TOTALLY understand if you want me to find another thread but thought I'd start with the familiar faces in the TTC world.]

Scorpio- so very sorry to hear of your mc. It's an awful thing to go through. Take care of yourself.

[Waves] at Gilly and Nomore and anyone else who used to know me when I was flosspot.

We did have a lovely time! I have been dying for an excuse to have a doughnut from that cafe and I have finally found the girl to help me . Glad DH liked the cardie and shoes.

Nomore, good news about your date. Are you going to try to ring up for a cancellation? I know they said that they would ring you but up to now they have not been the most prompt so you may want to chance them up every week see if you get anything earlier. Please try. How long do you have to wait after the L&D before starting your IVF?

Hi Scorpio, how are you doing hun?

Update from me: I start injections on Sunday and after being really bullish about it all for weeks and looking forward to starting it I’m having a bit of a wobble. DH goes green at the mention of injections and I opened up the bag from the clinic this weekend just to familiarise myself with the stuff and actually felt light headed! How pathetic, I better pull it together by Sunday or I’m done for. Please tell me everything will be OK and the first injection is the worst.

Hi all
hobnobs and gilly sounds like you had a nice time meeting up
scorpio hope you're ok - saw your FB status
I've got a date for my L&D unfortunately it's not for another 6 weeks but I have been told they'll give me a call if there's a cancellation before that.

I had a lovely cup of tea (and a doughnut ) with Gilly on Monday (after a quick tour of the museum). I've uploaded a picture of the cardigan and booties she has knitted for baby hobnobs to my (otherwise non-existent!) profile. They are gorgeous. Thank you so much. DH is very impressed too. When the time comes I'll upload a picture of them being modelled as well! Thinking of you as the countdown to downregging starts.

Scorpio Hope you're still looking after yourself (and being looked after). Hope you find something suitable to mark your loss.

Nomore Really hope you don't have to wait too much longer for your L & D. So frustrating.

Hi to everyone else.

Don't worry, I will
It just all needs sewing up so nothing that cannot be done in front of the tv one evening. 9 weeks to go, blimey I thought it was less! Looking forward to Monday .

Nomore, it is a bit unreal to have finally made it to IVF (and a relief as well). Please chase up the L&D on Monday in case they have lost your details and kick up a stink saying that they are holding up your IVF. Beg for a cancellation if necessary!

Just a quick message as am away to say hello to everyone.

Nomore baby hobnobs is not due for another 9 weeks I hope! Am off into London on Monday and thought it would be a good excuse to meet with Gilly. Gilly please don't worry about finishing knitting. I'd rather you had some time to relax.

Hey but it's starting [excited] Is baby hobnobs due soon then? [lost in time emoticon]

Hullo,
I've only registered and have all the gear. Downregging (injetions not sniffing) starts on the 1st March. To tell you truth work is so full on that I am not really thinking about it much and I am actually worried that I'll miss the first injection! I really need to start chilling out though. This exhibition is going to be the end of me!

Meeting Hobnobs on Monday, she is popping into the museum on her way home so I need to finish baby Hobnob's pressie this w/e. Picking up stitches all OK now

Hi Gilly I see you've started the IVF - how are you feeling about it?

I like the fact you can have 3 stones, but I think I prefer the simplicity of the fisrt one. I like the symbolism of a butterfly though...

Scorpio I'm so sorry to hear about your mc . I'm glad to hear that DH is looking after you. Allow yourselves time to grieve and to talk (scream, cry etc) about it. It may seen impossible sometimes but the sun will continue to rise and fall and your dream will come true. Lots of hugs (((((hugs)))))

We planted a tree after our mc in 2006. We were on holiday running away from the spectre of mc that just hang over me like a cloud and the company we travelled with had an environmental programme in India so we planted a tree as part of it and we have a picture of it. I felt that I wanted to mark the baby and bring about life when it had been unable to grow inside me. I didn't have anything on me so I tied a hair bobble to one of the spindly branches.

Here in the UK a fertility forest is being set up. Maybe you could plant a tree there?

also right near to the end, the butterfly pendant?

I really like the simplicity of that one, it's lovely

the very first necklace - just the forget-me-not, you can only have 2 gems though. I will have Feb (loss) and Oct (due)

I really like the idea of the keyring for your DH. Are you looking at the second necklace (the forget-me-not heart one)? or the ring? I really like the 'tiny footprints' hearts

i think something that only you know is far more precious - the second link is it i think, though you can only get 2 stones, but all 3 dates are so special to me. it would have to be loss and EDD i think.

They also do keyrings, for DH.

mind you overtly baby themed might not be such a problem for you as you have dc - for me I think people would ask questions - especially those who don't know we're ttc or about the EP.

That stuff is beautiful, it brought a lump to my throat. I love the idea of the stones for the months, it means something really special to you without everyone asking what it means (which would be my only worry about the overtly baby theme of the first link)

they are beautiful

I like the ring and necklace on this link

hereI would get 3 stones - jan for conception, feb for loss and oct for EDD.

I like the mother and child necklace (the one in a heart shape)

Just do what you feel like sounds like a really sensible plan. Looking after yourself (and your DH, cause he's grieving too) is the best thing you can do. Do you like these?

nomore that angel is lovely, so fitting. I guess an angel ornament or a mother and baby sort of being ornament is what we are looking for. I just hate everybody's losses - yours was very upsetting for me, actually, too.

I know, lots of peopel have said to me i will be more fertile after mc, i think its to do with the hormones etc. Im going to ignore my fertile signs and just do what we want for a bit. I mourn the plans i had, the timing was perfect to what i wanted too.

We're back home now, had a fab time. I would think your m/c would be harder than EP as I didn't know I was pg therefore hadn't had the chance to start dreaming/planning for a baby. Mind you I find other people's m/c so much harder. My Dsis has had 3 m/c and I get more upset at her bad news than she does, but when IVF didn't take/when I had EP she was more upset than me. I guess I'm just weird!! There's no reason not to ttc again soon, but only when you're ready. You can be more fertile after m/c (sorry if that's the wrong thing to say) I knitted this angel to remember my EP and put her under my bed.

Your ep was worse than what i have gone through Thankyou so much, i think i am starting to sound like a broken record on MN, but i have to let it out.

I just feel like i want to ttc again ASAP - GP said ok, but i feel bad to the lost baby, but i do want a dc4. DH & I want to buy an ornament to mark it, we would get a tree but are crap at gardening.

Hope you're having/had a good break here anyway.

Don't worry about not meeting up - it'll be a good excuse for us to come on holiday to Cornwall again soon Glad you're physically better but remember to take it easy both physically and mentally. Remember we're all here for you. I know the EP wasn't the same, but I'm happy to listen/help you through the emotional side. Really sorry to hear the milk has gone though but remember you've done fantastically well to BF for so long

Nomore - I really did want to meet up, as well . Feeling physically almost normal; mentally is a different story.

Hope Ready's bump is growing wonderfully, and that Sybil's Jamie is coming on.

Hi to everyone else

Scorpio - big big hugs hope you're feeling a little bit better now.
I'm sorry for the confusion over the title for anyone who's offered advice, thanks
Gilly great news about starting your IVF cycle. If you think of each step as an achievement in itself the time goes by quicker.
I'm still waiting for an appointment for the L&D So fed up of waiting [bored]

Long conception very quick labour, I had my first in two hours, I went to hospital cos I had diarrhoea and apparently that is a sign, was told to get checked cos I was a risk of quick labour due to medical history, got to hospital 5cms, within 20mins pushing, the pushing took over 1hr and 1/2.
Hope that is what you wanted to hear.

breastmilk has gone too

Thank you, Nomore for keeping us going! Definitely interested in the speedy labour bit and keeping everything crossed for both you and Gilly on the conception front.

Gilly Glad the countdown has started - roll on April (well, for you, at least - I have a few things to do before then!)

Scorpio If you're lurking or come back and find us, I saw your other thread by chance - so sorry about the mc.

Great a new thread! Thanks Nomore

Well, today is CD1 and I called in to register my IVF cycle - no going back now! Hopefully we will be doing EC and TX first week in April

How are you all?

looking for experiences of both?

Time for a new thread, here`s to speedy conceptions and speedy labours