Mumsnet Discussions - Vasectomy reversal success??

Hello! I haven't been by mumsnet in ages, but thought I would drop in to see how things were going. My partner had his snip unsnipped in May 2008 and we are still not pregnant! I never thought it would take this long... For a while earlier this year I was really into it all, taking clomid and monitoring temperature etc etc ETC but have given up all that and am just getting on with life - if it happens it happens.

He has a good-ish count now - we found out that the local hospital was leaving his samples in a box for 24 hours before having them tested, and that's why we were getting such poor results - for his last sample he took it right to the lab and it came back much better.

good luck to everyone.

hi all, gosh, i've not been on the thread for ages but I see there are a few new names appearing so good luck to you all.

luckywebby, me and my DH resumed activity 6 days after the op which I am convinced kept the tubes open ( but only a theory I have come up with !! )

Pink and terrier, how are you both ? I really miss talking to you all on here x I hope things are going well with your ttc. I noticed that you said you weren't trying anymore terrier! Is everything ok ?! xx

Anyway, just wanted to check in so hopefully will speak soon xxx

we were told to wait 3/4 weeks post op by the dr we went to. Hope that helps.

Sunshineday - I'll be keeping everything crossed for you. Heres hoping for a BFP before too long.
Can anyone tell me how long after the VR they started bd. blush

I have looked at varing different sites and they seem to give different answers. We will ask the consultant on the 1st but just wanted to find out from people that have been through it.
x

Good luck for the 1st of october Luckywebby.
3 days to go before af is due

we have just recived dh second sa results and they are down on last time

ph 7.5
round cells 1 per h.p.f
red cells <1 per h.p.f
sperm count 18.6 million
dead count 21%

rapid motility 25% sluggish motile 25%
non progressive 10% immotile 40%
normal sperms 21% tot abnormals 79%
head defect 67% neck/midpiece def 6%
tail defect 6%
cytoplasmic droplet 0%

sperm migration test 1.3

I hope they are still good enough for a BFP

Hi
thanks for wishes.
The consultants appointment went well. DH is all booked in for 1st October.
It's only two weeks away but it seems so far. Wish it was sooner.
The consultant said that due to the length of time since having the initial op the chances of successfully fathering a child are reduced by about half from 80% to about 40% that coupled with my age would give us about a 20% chance. Well 20% is better than nothing.
So again everything is crossed that it will go well.
Trying to keep positive. smile

Will keep you informed.
x

Hi luckywebby hope everything goes well for you tomorrow and you get the news you want

let us no how you get on.

Ho luckywebby - welcome to our gang! Really hope you get some positive news in the consultation. Be prepared for a long time trying - thats what I have learned - then again we did have one lady who got lucky in the 3rd month - so we're all different!
Good luck - let us know how you get on!! xx

Hi I'm new to the site and joined because of this thread.
My DH is going for his consultancy appointment tomorrow for a VR after 13 years.
I am an older mum (40) who has two grown up boys aged 20 and 18 and want to try for another one.
Am on edge as to what they will say tomorrow..hoping that everything can go ahead as we both would love a new addition to the family.
Got the theory where these's a will there's a way but feel time is slipping away.

Hi terrier I no what you mean about thinking it would happen sooner (6 months since vr not that long I no)but we will keep on trying grin

Hi sunshine - all well with me thanks - though nothing to report! the wait goes on (and on and on!).
Good luck with the sa results - the first ones looked pretty good I thought (though i no nothing!) Think we just all have to be patient - we were warned it could take 2 years - just think we all thought it would happen a lot sooner! xx

Hi terrier how are you? hope everything is ok with you.

Dh should get the results of his second sa results on Tuesday.

how is everyone else getting on? hoping for some good news on here soon

bump!
where are you all?

Good luck pixie - sounds exciting! Wonder if you live near me (Wales is quite big though I suppose!)xx

Hi all,

Haven't been on here for a while but glad to see everyone is still hanging on in there!

Our plans have changed slighlty in that we have decided not to use dh brother as donor but instead we went back to IVF wales today had bloods taken etc and opting for donor sperm through IVF Wales. Quicker and easier to do this way as sperm already washed and quarantined.

Appointment next week to see counsellor followed by xray sometime next month where they check out my tubes!
Hopefully if all ok there we are good to go depending on time needed to find appropriate match and time needed to save funds - AGAIN!

Looks like no holiday again this year!

Hoping that all of you are ok and still fighting on no matter how slow and frustrating the journey!

sunshine - Im no expert (pinks the one for that!) but I reckon those results look very promising! How long since the VR? Good luck x

OMG pink! Thats terrible - how frustrating for you. My 2 dc's had suspected swineflu too they were really poorly, bless em! Really frustating tho, the gp wouldnt confirm it - didnt even see them - prescribed Tamiflu over the phone!

Hi Terrier glad you are back, I had to abandon my ivf as i had suspected swine flu - so now have to do the whole thing of injections all over again

things are never bloody easy!

Would love to know how sorrento is - come back S!

x

Hi guys,
hope you are all well. Havent been on here in ages as im not sure we are actually still trying (long story!), although I guess if i have headed back towards the thread my minds not totally made up! Whats the latest? xx

Congrats welsh grin

KatieDD/sorrento - where are you? how did the IVF go??

Well im just at the start of my IVF (down regging at present) Hubby just got put on a 3 day week so thats a bit depressing but hey ho!

Any way saw this on an infertility blog and thought I'd share with you all!

ul. 20, 2009

a blog by Murgdan

You there with the rounded belly;
Talking on your cell phone and dragging your toddler along behind you,
his arm twisting, losing his step trying to keep up with you,
while your attention is focused on your conversation, your plans, your business,
your new pair of shoes.
Please be mindful of the miracle.

You there in the grocery store line;
Digging in your purse and writing your check while you scream at your child that
you wish she were never born,
slapping her haphazardly on her arm, her leg, her bottom
while she reaches for packets of candy bars and mint flavored gum.
Please be mindful of the miracle.

For 80-something percent of the population, getting pregnant is a mindless act that happens on accident, on purpose, and accidentally on purpose. There is not always thought, or consideration beforehand. Pregnancy may be a surprise, a shock, a regret. It may be a blessing, a plan, or a mistake. It is merely a state of being that a large number of women are in every minute of every day. It is. It simply is.

Maybe it was a one-night stand, a fling, a short-term relationship. Maybe it was an accident, a broken condom, or a forgotten pill. Maybe you didn’t want this, or maybe you made it happen. Many women spend a large portion of their lives trying to prevent pregnancy from occurring. It becomes a condition to be avoided, yet sometimes the plans are thwarted. It happens anyway.

Maybe you planned it this way. You met. You fell in love. You married. You bought a house with four bedrooms. You filled them quickly. There was no effort, no calculating, no saving. You feel blessed. You feel grateful. You have the family you always wanted. It happened. It happens to everyone. It’s easy. There is no fuss. These are dreams that come true. They do.

For 80-something percent of the population, getting pregnant is a mindless act. Whether it was planned or on accident, it simply is. It is a state of being. It is commonplace. It is normal. Egg and sperm find each other without needles and labs and pills and assistance. Ovulation is not inducted or detected. Intercourse is not timed or planned. Pregnancy without surgery—it happens.

And while I don’t expect every pregnant woman in the universe to twirl around in a circle of happiness and gratitude, spreading fertile joy to the world—I am mindful of the miracle. While pregnancy may be an ordinary, humdrum, everyday condition to some, it is not to me. My perspective is forever changed.

For a percentage of the population, pregnancy will never be commonplace. It will never be unplanned. It will never be no fuss, no muss. If it ever happens, it will be a carefully executed symphony of intention; a purposeful pre-arranged plot carried out over endless weeks. The mind shift this process creates will perpetually alter your point of view.

Please be mindful of your miracle. Miracles don’t happen every day; and they are anything but commonplace.

welsh
congratulations on the birth of Lily Allannah
grin

lovely name, hope all is good with you and your little girl. thanks for letting us no your news

hi sunshine,

pink is the expert on semen results but I would say the volume of sperm present sounds really good. My DH's was no where near that I don't think !

Anyway, I can see no ones been on here for ages but thought I'd just let you know if you still read the thread that I had a beautiful little girl on 23rd June. We've called her Lily Allannah and she weighed 6lb 12 oz.

Success stories can happen after vasectomy reversals so don't give up hope xxx

can any of you ladies help me with the results we got from dh semen test please. our gp was not much help.

Semen appearance: slightly viscous
volume: 3 ml
ph 7.5
round cells 19 per h.p.f
red cells <1 per h.p.f
sperm count 23.7 million
dead count 17%

rapid motility 47% sluggish motile 7%
non progressive 12% immotile 34%
normal sperms 8% tot abnormals 92%
head defect 34% neck/midpiece def 43%
tail defect 15%
cytoplasmic droplet 0%

sperm migration test 4.7 million

how do the results seam to you are they good or bad? thanks for any help it is appreciated

just bumping the thread back onto the list of actives in conception, hope everyones ok, no news here. x

oops didn't realise posted same message 4 times! Computer was on a go slow - either that or I'm losing my marbles!
Think I got a positive ovulation test today although not sure how much to trust these things as didn't get any type of reading last month!
Why is everything soooooo confusing!??

Hi all,
Not much to report on here, started tracking my ovulation dates last month but despite doing test every day no surge detected! Started doing tests from day 5 this month so as not to miss but still nothing yet!!?? Something else to throw in the mix!!
Glad you're all staying positive and things moving along even if ever so slowly - it's just so frustrating!!
Sorrento - I know what you mean new job and stuff I think maybe that's why my ovulation was all to shot last month had two interviews which were the all day kind - finally got the job though whhich is great news but will be so so busy and so much to do will be difficult to explain that I need to nip off to dh brothers as ovulating!

Determind not to give up though will get there somehow - preferably in the next ten years!!
Will keep you all posted - keep smiling

Sorrento hope the interview went well and good luck with the rest of your treatment.

Welsh hope everything is ok with you?

Pink/terrier hope all is well with you both

I cannot believe it, I have changed my drug appointment to Thursday but it's still a nightmare if I get the job I need a day off for egg collection and at least a day off for embyro transfer, I can just see that going down well with a start up company can't you ? Arghhhh is so unfair Dh should be getting job offers not me

OMG sorrento! bad timing or what?! What on earth are you gonna do? Is there anyway you could reschedule the interview? Dont suppose it would sound too good if you told them the reason why though! What a dilemma! Isnt it maddening how it all comes at once! Hope you can sort something out xx

Well wouldn't you believe it. The day I am due to go and get my drugs appointment, I have a 2nd interview for my perfect job hmm

how unlucky can we get, ever feel like somebody is trying to tell you something

sorronto and pink hope all is going well for you both.
terrier good luck with the Sa results my DH is going for his first sa on the 20th of this month.

I have just read on another site that a lady is pg after having the vr done 12 months ago, which is fantastic and gives us hope to smile

ha ha that should read "good"

maybe this SA will be a kick up the ass for him and if its god then he doesnt need to worry! haha xx

will be asking for anti-bodies if they can do that where we're going. Pissed off with dh tbh though cos he's still smoking and only takes his vitamins if I actually hand them to him - feel like hes not really that bothered!
Hows everyone else? xx

You sound reallpositive terrier, im glad you are taking control of things and getting another SA. will you be asking for a antisperm antibodies test yet or leaving that for a later time?

xx

Hi girls - have to agree with sorrento - this ttc is such a slow process for us! We must have the record for the slowest conception rate on mumsnet!

Anyway - heres my latest update - AF will arrive tomorrow (have given up saying "AF is due" - as I KNOW it will arrive!)and another failed month will have passed!
We have appt for SA again next wednesday - so hopefully will hear that things are improving (although knowing our luck will probably hear that things have dwindled even further!). Hopefully though there will be some improvement - no matter how small, that will encourage me to keep going. Have decided that as long as the SA keeps improving we will keep on trying - but after we hit the 2 year mark - if theres still not much hope we will throw in the towel.
There will be no talk of IVF (cos we're skint!), and no talk of donors (as dh wont hear of it!), and no talk of adoption (cos I want a baby!) - so that will be the end of that! Fingers crossed we get encouraging news soon!

That was meant light heartedly girls - Im not suicidal - yet! xx

Welshie my friends little girl came at 33 weeks and was absolutely fine, 6 weeks in SCBU weren't much fun but the baby is 4 soon and fantastic.
Keep reporting back girls, it's sooooo slow we need each other to lean on !

welsh, im keeping everything crossed for you - i am sure it will all be absoltuley fine but i bet you have been worried sick.

Terrier - wishing you lots and lots of luck with your SA xxxxxxxx

Hi everyone,
sorrento - finally eh?!x
welsh - hope she can hold on a bit longer in there for you, im sure you'll be fine, thinking of you both. Let us know how things go xx

Booked my dh in for another SA today - to see if theres been any improvement hmm

just take things one day at a time good luck and fingers crossed

Hi, well I turned 32 weeks yesterday and the special care team said every extra day she hangs on in there, then the stronger she'll be so fingers crossed.

Thats really reassuring to know that you had a baby so early and all turned out well x Just shocked because it hadn't even entered my head that the baby may come early !!

Oh welsh, am keeping my fingers crossed, you do the same with your legs for the little one. How early would she be ?

Welsh try not to worry (easier said then done I know) how far a long are you? I have had 3 premmies born the smallest at 26 wks and they are all fine now. It is very hard going with all the emotions ect and the going to and from hospital but they can do the most amazing things these days. I will be thinking of you and hoping baby will settle down and stay were she is for as long as possible.

Hi girls, sorry not been on for a while but looks like things are slowly moving for you so fingers crossed xx

Had major panic stations on Wed. Started getting pains so went into labour ward and I was in premature labour shock

so they've done all they can now and injected me with steroids to try and mature her lungs and filled me with tablets to try and prevent me dilating and to keep bubba in there for a bit longer !!

Still in shock to be honest x

I cannot say I'd recommend the Liverpool Womens right now but as my neighbor keeps saying, eyes on the prize, if I get a baby then I shall no doubt be singing their praises to the high heavans !

Hurrah! good luck xx

Well at bloody last, the 13th of May is my drug appointment and I can start down reg on the 22nd - the day we go on holiday, in the UK thankfully.
Am now going to be unbearable whilst I wait lol

Hi Everyone.

Sorrento, so sorry things are dragging on for you. Just a quick question, but you said you cant start down regging til day 23 - the clinic I am going to offers a choice of day 1 or 21 for down regging??? that clinic sounds a bit poor to me. They seem to be messing you about a lot. Is it too late to consider changing to another place?

Terrier - my dh also refused point blank any suggestion of a donor...or adoption

Pixie - good luck

Hi Terrier and sunshine, thank you for your kind words, I imagine some poor woman is chomping at the bit and the hospital are like ohhh i could fit you in in 2 months time if it's not raining angry

I got my AF today, early so am just hoping that hasn't caused more problems

Hey everyone!
Well I was going to say that its great to hear things are moving along for Pink and Sorrento - it all sounded very exciting, until I read Sorrento's recent posts! Sounds like a really stressful time for you - seems like nobody is really doing their jobs well enough - and you'd think the recipient would be "chomping at the bit" to sign up! I really hope they get their acts together quickly for you - I bet its really frustrating because theres nothing you can do. Thinking of you xx

Pixie - exciting stuff! I have been discussing donor sperm with dh (incase his results dont improve) - he is dead against it. I dont understand as he is willing to consider adoption - but that takes years and we wouldnt get a baby due to our family ages etc. At least with a donor the child would be mine (well i would say "ours" as dh would be there at the conception, birth and upbringing as he would with a "full" biological child). You are lucky to have dh and his brother both in agreement - I know it might seem complicated but the genes will be very close to your dh's. Good luck xx

Am giving it one more week and then am giving up, we haven't even got started yet and it's so upsetting waiting and waiting knowing it probably won't work anyway.

Sorrento I'm really sorry that they are being so slow, it has to be so frustrating having to wait for this women to come in and sign up. (can they not not give her a gentle nudge for you and tell her you cant start your treatment until she has been in) Don't throw the the towel in just yet. Fingers crossed all will work out ok for you.

Good luck to you also pink for your treatment

hope every one else is doing ok

Well I chased the egg donation woman today who gave me word for word the same message this week as she gave me last week.
So my recipient didn't come in and sign up last week, she's coming in this week, unless the nurse is lying wrong again.
The thing is you don't start down reg until day 23 following your period (so 27th May) and the earliest you could then be pregnant in early July and that's my deadline

I really really don't want to go beyond the 6 year gap.
You know when you just know it's not going to happen, I almost want to throw the towel in now because I have no confidence in the hospital, we started this back in November, there's no reason why I should have tried at least by now

Not had much to report over the last few weeks, everything is good here, dh is back in working order and glad to be back in work. He's feeling really positive about things as am I and he assures me that he would much rather use his brother as a donor as oppose to someone he has never met.
Been taking the ovulation tests nothing as yet but I guess we'll be looking at the end of the week. Will let you know!!
Sorrento, Pink, so pleased to hear that things are moving along! I'm sure it won't be long!
Take care xx

I would go nuts especially as my bothers cute friend offered me that opportunity nearly a year ago wink

ha ha! If only sorrento, if only. My GP keeps telling me to keep in mind ivf should be seen as a 3 cycle treatment as thats the average it takes

I agree, 2 is the way to go

Did you just read this

jesus christ now im scared!!!

I'm thinking I should go for 2, DH is dead against it in case we get twins, but as you say the odds are not fantastic anyway so I don't want to shorten them either.
So see you on the multiples board next year wink

i will put back two i think. Friend at work has just had two put back and 12 week scan only one left so i dont want to cut down my odds further. How about you?

Hello,
Yes I think everything is back and ready to start in May, tbh I was just about to give up on the idea so if it doesn't happen in May i'm just going to go ahead anyway, that's my deadline.
Am terrified there won't be enough eggs and I spoke to a lady today who had 2 failed IVF attempts and then got pregnant naturally twice hmm

so that's utterly knocked my confidence.
It's all so emotionally draining I find, but eyes on the prize and all that.
How many eggs are you going to put back do you think ?

Oh and had all blood tests inc CF about 6 weeks ago and have to ring egg share co-ordinator on monday to check where its all up to. Have you got yours back yet?

our consellor was really good, just asked us about if we'd thought about the issues, i.e. did we want to agree to 1 live birth per gamete donation or more, do we agree to lesbian/single/women up to age of 50 - if not we just have to specify this on our forms, no necessity to agree to any of above just makes finding a potential donor a bit longer process as all of those people would then not be able to be matched with you.

Asked if we would be finding out if recipient has any children...said we prob would and dshe reassured us we did not need to find out straight away as they keep the info on file for some years after, so say, we had been unsuccessfull we may not want to ask til a few years later. sked if we plan on telling our DS (or any dc's born from our ivf) said yes, she was positive about that. asked if we understood anonymity thing no longer in place and implications of that, obviously yes we do and also explained a bit further about what happens if you dont respond well to drugs and dont produce enough eggs to share and what our options are at that stage.

Was really informal friendly and helpful. reassured us a lot, offered us further assistance should we need it, only in there 30 mins as me and DH had discussed all the issues prior to appointment and were fairly relaxed about our answers/feelings about the process. Your counsellor sounds like a bt of a monster TBH!! What have you put on your donor form about you??? Im finding it really hard to fill in!! How do you get the essence of your personality down like that!

The counsellor put the fear of god up me, I hope yours is more helpful.
Have you had the blood tests for CF yet ? That's what held us up for weeks and annoyed the hell out of me.

Hey sorrento! I just got the exact same form today from the counsellor! I will fill it out tomorrow - its all a bit exciting!

Hello
I have literally filled out my egg sharing form today, you get a green form to fill out and tell the egg when it's 18 all about you and your family and give it a good luck message, so that's done.
I should be pregnant on 12th June, with a due date of the 5th March 2010, isn't it all so romantic hmm

So I've been having acupuncture and bought a hypno IVF cd and am popping folic acid, finger crossed it's enough.
I know it's a bit daft but I am trying to visualise myself with this baby, to make it real.

Hey terrier - same reason as you - nothings happened. I am due to go back to the clinic on thursday for our counselling so hopefully things will move after that. Where are you sorrento???? Did you decide to egg share after all? Or have you gone for the full cost ivf?

Ok - where is everyone? Where are you all hiding?! My excuse for not being on here lately is that I just havent got anything to add - nothings happening, but thats fine - I have now (finally) accepted that nothing is likely to happen so Im far more relaxed about it!

Pixie - your news sounds very exciting - we need an update - hows it going? How does everyone feel about things now?

Well glad to see everyone is doing ok, hopeforamiracle sorry to hear your news. Try and keep going and stay positive - easier said than done I know!
Well received all the insemination kit including syringes (not turkey baster!) ha ha, now just have to wait....I know dh is doing a very honourable thing with his brother being a donor and this isn't an easy choice for any man I guess. It's hsrd trying to remember that although I am excited he's still recovering and probably feeling really rubbish inside.

He's got everything in hand and is more aware of when I'm ovulating than I am well will keep you posted I'm sure it'll be interesting!!

I think you have to share your feelings with your DH otherwise it'll drive a wedge between you, all I can say is it took 5 years to get the message thorough to mine so I hope you don't have to wait that long but I really would go straight for ICSI because the reversals have a limited amount of success and time is of the essence.

Hi all,

Just been cathcing up on the messages....it has me all confused. My oldest son has just had his 8th birthday and I just feel so upset at the fact that life is ticking by so quickly. I cried on his birthday....my youngest is due to have his birthday in a few weeks and that will make him 5yrs old. I really want another baby soon or the age gap will be huge. After reading the logs I feel that maybe the reversal isn't going to be that successful. I really need to discuss it with DH again but I think he is sick of hearing about it now..he just gets annoyed when I talk about it. I haven't mentioned it for about 2 weeks now so I feel its soon to be the time again. I am sick of struggleing with these thoughts and feelings on my own.
Any advise on how to keep from getting hysterical about it? I know alot of people think having 3 is far hader than having 2 (I have been doing my research) but feel that my family just isn;t complete.....sorry I'm rambleing now......I have been trying not to think about it for a while and now I am letting myself again the feelings seem to be more powerful than before.

Hope everyone is ok.

Hi, gosh, there are loads of new names on here, welcome all smile

Jellyfish09, I would recommend our surgeon for obvious reasons grin

but I'm guessing that it depends more on the original vasectomy with how much time has passed, damage to tubes etc.. rather than how skilled the surgeon is. If you are willing to travel though, he is based in North Wales and his name is Mr DeBolla. Think he has a success rate of over 90% or something along those lines.

shm, what test did you use ? Is it one where you get 2 lines for pregnant and 1 line for negative ? The most reliable test I found was the clearblue digital which gave me a BFP a week before AF was due but the cheap ebay tests were hit and miss really.

Glad to hear your feeling more chilled out terrier, can't believe its been a year already !!

Pink, anything more to report on the IVF ??

Hi - My DH and I are looking for a good vasectomy reversal surgeon. Can anyone recommend a surgeon? Ideally near London however we'd travel anywhere to increase our success rates ... thanks!! :-)

Hey Terrier - really good to see you back xx

Hi girls, well where to start - i,ve been gone a little while and missed so much!! Have read through all your posts - theres so much going on!
Nothing to report here though - we have been ttc for 1 year now since VR - much more chilled now though!
Hope things are starting to look up for you all - big hugs to those who have had disappointing news - hang on in there xx

LOL at dr pink! :-) ms pink will see you now ;-D

Thanks Sorrento - I will try to wait.....so hard though!

Sorry, in my previous message I made a mistake about the date of the reversal - was May 2008, not 2007. [just feels like a long time ago!]

The endocrinologist is a specialist in hormones etc. I think. But I don't know if it was DH being uncommunicative, or if that appointment really was as useless as it seemed. I thought he would be tested for antibodies, or given meds or supplements advice, but nada. He wasn't even asked for another sample, and the last one he did was before Christmas. And, we never get detailed results like those Dr. Pink was discussing a few weeks ago - we just get something like "motility 30%, abnormal forms 90%" hmm

I have never done a test until the day after I was due, then you know and there's no doubt.
Hold off retesting for a bit if you can is my advice.

I'm sick of waiting too! another failed month for me. We've only been properly trying since January though.

[background: DH vas 2001, reversal May 07; motility ok but morphology poor]

You might be interested to hear that my partner was referred to an endocrinologist by our fertility doctor, and was told that his sperm tests were probably reporting worse than is really the case, as even though he had been carrying jars in his armpit and getting them to the hospital within an hour, once there they probably were lying around for 24 hours or so before lab testing. So he is probably better off than the offical test results.

I got BFN yesterday

but the result was a bit strange. The line showing the test was done ok was very dark and obvious, but the negative line was really really faint. I wonder if I got a dud test or something, does anybody know? I did it really early too, only about 11 dpo [I know...]

I guess I should just redo the test, but I am resisting that so much - I don't WANT to be sure, I want to deceive myself, I guess.

Go for ICSI, this is the reason we skipped the reversal altogether it doesn't have great success rates and it's so heartbreaking all the waiting and hoping.
Good luck.

Hi Everyone,

Myself and partner were at the hospital on Friday for results of 3 month sperm check. Not good news though as the consultant advised us there was no sperm at all. I was absolutely gutted so didn't ask her any questions about next steps etc! I was very quiet towards my partner and feel terrible as it's not his fault. She has asked us to come back in another 3 months for another test. Don't think I can wait that long!

Anyone had a similar experience? Is this the end of the road or am I giving up too soon?

How fantastic pixiejazz - if only I could get my DH (and his brother) to agree to that! would save us a small fortune, and me all the hassle and stress of IVF! Fantastic news! Much respect to your Dh/his brother!

If you look on the gay parents threads on here I am sure there are old threads explaining how people have done this as lesbiam couples have wondered onto conception before look for advice nd been directed there - nd me being a nosey bugger, Ive followed links and read how its done before.

Keep coming back and updating us how you do xxxxxx

DH's brother will be donating sperm, hopefully will start next month now needing to start monitoring cycle and get the turkey baster at the ready!

Sorry if \I've got the wrong end of the stick pixiejazz so is DH's brother paying for IVF or donating sperm?

Either way, thats fantastic, I really do wish you the best of luck xx

Hi all,
Hope you're well, after having the week from hell it seems that things are looking up for us. We had originally gone down the sperm donor route before the reversal was booked because of dh's fear of surgery however family weren't happy with us opting for a donor and the pressure was then put on us to go with the reversal which as you know was unsuceessful.
we spoke this week about going back to IVF wales but now being £3000 down we really don't have that extra money to be starting all over again.
Thankfully dh's brother has stepped in and offered to help us to make our dreams come true. He already has three children and has no desire at all to have any more and having spoken about it at lenghth we have decided that this is the best option for us.
I know we will probably face some critisism for this especially from my family but dh family fully supportive and to us at least we will be fully aware of medical/family history.
Now reading up on AI!! Gonna be an expert on all of this stuff by the time that we are blessed with a baby!(wink)
So as one door closes another opens! Here we begin the next chapter!!.....

they are a blessing your right and part of me feels selfish and that I should be greatful when some people can't have 1 child

part of me is resentful because it is him that has caused us not to concieve blush

I know I am out of order I really do he did what he thought was right back then.

all in all i feel like a cow but can't stop thinking the way i do

really do wish you all the very best of luck

((((3KIDZ)))) I know this is bugger all use to you because I will feel the same if I don't have a babe by next year but I have sat in the fertility clinic and seen the tears and heartache people go through for one baby and if I get mine I shall never shout, smack or look funny at it I'll be so grateful, but I also feel like that towards the children I have now too, they are an absolute blessing.

well hve discussed things further with partner and now he says he has changed his mind because I know I am repeating myself but as gp has said chances are so low considering the length of time ago the original op was done.

feel gutted

think i will move away from this thread now have been strangely addcicted to reading all your stories.

good luck to all. xxxx

Sorrento - thats exactly what my DH said when we went! Let us know how you go.

Pixiejazz - so sorry your reversal went badly. Stay with us on here - its rapidly turning into an IVF thread!

Welsh - you ok?

Terrier You ok too hun?

Anyone else I've not mentioned, hope you are all ok.

Hi all,
Just an update, dh had vasectomy reversal on Wednesday. Not a good result as although original vasectomy done only 6 years ago it seems that he has suffered a "blow out" on both sides meaning that there was no sperm present. The procedure was abandoned as consultant said that it was pointless in reconnecting tubes.
We were both gutted as really though that this was it for us and it hit us pretty hard. Anyway now having collected our thoughts and reflected on the past few days we are now looking at our options and remaining positive.(well can't say the same for dh as he is black and blue and swollen like a good un!)
Will keep you all updated, good luck to you all with your plans x

I have an appointment for next Saturday lol
Dh reckons it's end of financial year so we might have a chance.

GP as in General Practioner!! I know, I think he feels a bit guilty about so flippantly and easily filling in the paperwork to send paul for the vasectomy, then he told us we could have it reversed on the nhs - which we could not, so a bit of a fuck up all round for him. Then all the pain and stuff DH suffered after the vasectomy, and the gp is a very family oriented fella, has 4 kids and loves children so maybe thats why, dunno, I'm just grabbing the prescription and running LOL!

Did you try asking your gp? The consultant at the fertility clinic told us to, said its unusual but worth an ask!

x

I'm well thank you, driving DH potty no doubt fed up of waiting though.
Is GP grandparents or General Practitioner ? How ever did you manage that if the latter ?

That should read gp has Agreed to pay....bloody A key keeps sticking, think DS has shoved some food down there! LOL!

Hi Sorrento, well GP has greed to pay for the IVF drugs so that saves us £500 or so :-). Have an appointment with the counsellor on 23rd april (she had to cancel last time) and we are awaiting the results of all the blood tests to check if I have Cystic fibrosis or some such thing or if either of us has aids or hepatitis! Then hopefully we will get some dates!

You OK apart from being impatient to start? xx

Any news from you pink ? How are things progressing ?

Good luck sorrento xxxxxxxx

Sorrento it good you have a date to aim for now, hopefully the time will fly by.

Wow we have a date, I am to start down reg in May around the 23rd which seems like a million years away and is a bit depressing but at least we're getting there, something to aim for.
So looks like I'll be pregnant in June and having a March baby, everyone is born in March on my mums side of the family.
Added bonus being I can fly to Oz for Christmas so need to start saving up for that now and I can bring back a bugaboo for 2/3's of the price, it's all good !

oh no I know that I looked into it I never expected him to I realise that we would have to pay and don't expect otherwise why should I/we be treated any differently.

His exact words were that because it had been done so long ago it really wouldn't work and that the heartache it would cause trying isn't worth it and that is word for word seriously.

Although we looked into statistics I think because those exact words come from the gp my partner now thinks thats it end of the road.

Could try to persuade him otherwise but I haven't pushed a huge debate as appointment was last fri and his gran died a few days prior and funeral arrangements etc are being made and although her death was expected after a long illness it didn't seem really appropriate.

I have today looked up success stories from people who hve gone on to have a baby after a reversal that was more than 10 yrs ago but I guess to a point I'm clutching at straws??

Don't get me wrong I really want this but money is a big issue if I had my way we would fund it come what may but I think thats another thing my partnr is worrying about as gp has been so unpositive about it.

Will discuss it more with him over the next few days

How can the GP know that ?
I would go and see a consultant and get a 2nd opinion, there is absolutely no way a GP can say it will not work and there are other options too if you were of a mind to look into them.
What the GP means is that he won't fund it which is another matter altogether.

been reading with interest and wish you all lots of luck.

Me and OH have been together for 4 yrs I have 3 kids from my first marriage and he has 3 from his first marriage so 6 between us

However I can't help but hope/wish/pray for a child of our own together a bit selfish I know as we both already hve kids.I am 32 he is 42 so quite a gap between us.He had the snip after his last child with his ex wife.

I knew from early on he had had the op done and it didn't bother me until last yr I didn't say anything to him for fear of upsetting him but this year he brought it up himself and said he wanted a baby with me I was chuffed.

He saw his gp last week who said it wasn't worth paying for it and all the heart ache it would cause and as it was just over 10 yrs since the original op the chances of conception were really low.I did look into it so knew that really but it's the fact that it was my partner that booked the gp appointment and who wanted it then there was no discussion gp said it categorically wouldn't work so thats it

suppose i hoped he would do it anyway and a miracle would happen blush

feel gutted but what can I do I love him and it looks like it's him and our kids from previous relationships or I move on and I can't as I love him too much.Tryng hard to accept that statistics were agaianst us and it is saving us from pain but can't help but wonder what if..........

good luck and lots of hugs to you all going down this route yourselves

I do feel lucky having 2 boys as I was such a horror when I hit my teens and my mam always said to me "just you wait till you have daughter and she turns out like you". shock

My MIL had 6 so she can't really say alot....you have me thinking maybes I should just stick with the 2 then..lol.
I do have days when I think 'really could I cope with another' but then another day I will be proper yearning for another. My 2 are now 7 and 4 soon to be 8 and 5 as they were both April babies. I just get this panic feeling that if I am going to do it then it just has to be now so there is not a huge age difference.
hmm

This will sound mental as I want another one but if I could have my time again I'd only have 2.
I sort of feel as if I've cooked my goose anyway by having the third so might as well have 4th because I miss the baby stage, but if i'd stuck with 2 I think I'd have long moved on by now as most of my friends with 2 have.
Financially it will make a huge difference it's much worse than going from one to two.
But of course it might be a girl which would be fantastic or he might be the next prime minister grin

I want another girl if anybody was giving me a choice but I feel if it's a boy then for DH it was worthwhile if that makes sense, I know if it's another girl MIL will be like what was the point of that then angry

My mother also thinks I'm mad lol

That sounds so like my mother. She believes 2 is enough for anyone but more and more people are having 3 children. I have a freind who has 3 and she has actually told me not to go ahead as she has regretted having her 3rd. (obviously would not be without him now). Then I get the people who say it is becaause I crave having a girl - I have 2 boys - but I really don't think that is it.

I have three already aged 8, 6 and 4.
I would say two is very easy compared to three and not wanting to put you off but everything is geared towards 2 children and it will cost you significantly more to have that third child, hence why going for the 4th won't make much difference to me because we already have to book 2 hotel rooms for example.

I did nag and I know that won't work for everyone but I feel there's no point in going in softly softly when it's so important because I should have had a dicky fit when he was arranging the vasectomy and I didn't and look where that got me.

We've been seriously discussing this and agreeing to go for it since August last year, we met with the consultant together in October, decided ICSI was the best option in November and we're now at the point where the sperm has been retrived and if I'm lucky I'll start down regulation in April and embryo's implanted in either May or July.
I have decided though assuming I get enough eggs, 2 at least then I am having 2 goes and if that doesn't work then I shall draw a line under this and move on.
Feel free to chat away, I can't tell anyone either as my MIL will go mental when she finds out, she thought the third child was 2 too many, she only had the one.

How many children have you got Sorrento? I don't really like talking to others about it as many of my friends and work collegues can't have any so I am really lucky I have 2 but I feel incomplete. My DH just thinks that 2 is enough but the fact he went to speak to the GP shows he cares how I fell about it. He did start to say though that we made the decision to get the snip in the first place for a reason....but I reminded him that life changes and so do people....not quite sure what he thinks at the moment though as haven't talked about it for a few days as sometimes I do go on and on and I don't want to completely P him off.
How long has it taken you to get to the stage your at now? Then what happens next?

Hi Donste, My DH admitted he felt we'd made a mistake when we went out for dinner one evening and just blurted it out after seeing a baby at the table next to us. I was shocked he felt that way to be honest as he was always very matter a fact about the whole thing and hadn't mentioned anything up till that point.

We saw our GP on the 18th June for a referral, consultation was end of June and op was done on 11th July so within 2 weeks after initially seeing him. Each surgeon has their own set of success rates so ask what theirs is at the consultation and how many times a year they perform the op.

You'll find this thread so helpful with any questions you've got. I've met some lovely ladies on here and it's great to share your feelings with them knowing they're all going through the same thing smile

We're almost at the collect eggs and put them inside me stage, have spent £2k and if I said to DH stop now i've changed my mind he'd be more than fine about it.

I think it took 4 years of going on about it and then when I realised we were near the point of no return then he agreed because much as he doesn't want another, he doesn't mind that much if we do so as it care falls 80% to me anyway i'm being allowed my baby hmm

I think if I ever moan about morning sickness, or pregnancy or say i'm fed up with the baby he'll swing for me though wink

I thought I was going mad...I really did. I also thought I was the only person that has felt this way and I was trying to stop myself feeling like this by telling anyone who would listen how much I did not want another baby and 2 were enough for me. Welshsurprise, would you recommend your surgeon then?
Did everyones DH just accept that they had made a mistake or were they all willing to go straight in for the reversal? My DH did say about a year ago "give it time, then you will just get over it". But now after 2 years he is thinking "hang on aminute maybes she is in turmoil about this".
What do you recommend for our next step? A visit to the surgeon together or back to our GP? (Who wasn't that knowledgeable to start with.
Also how quickly, usually do they say you can get it done from the time of the consultation?

Hi donste, Just noticed your post and reminds me quite a bit of my own story. DH had a vasectomy as I had a difficult birth with DD and we were adamant we didn't want any more children. Fast forward 5 years and like you we decided we'd made a terrible mistake so DH went for his reversal in July last year.

I've never heard of the consultants you've mentioned but as for the tubes being burnt there is no problem getting that fixed as that was how DH's initial op was done.

As for the sperm test you are mentioning, they test after 3 months to see if the op has been a success. Before this, they dont get an accurate result due to inflammation and the fact it can take the body up to 3 months to start producing new sperm. I think you may be talking about the test they do as the op is being performed which is they keep cutting the tube until they find the live sperm. This doesn't mean the op will work though if you see what I mean.

Donste, that's why i went for ICSI have a look at www.fertilityfriends.co.uk loads of information on there, basically I needed to know that as our only problem was getting sperm from A to B that somebody could put it there for me, the reversal and waiting and then TTC would have driven me nuts but then Welshie did get pregnant within 3 months of her DH's reversal.
We've had many a sleepless night here, all good preparation for when the bubs arrive wink

Hi Sunshineday, when you went to see DR Dawson for the op did he not test the spermt straight after the op? He says in his website that he does? We have been referred to a BMI hospital near us for a Dr Mr John Kelleher, Mr Neil Haldar,Mr Amarjit Bdesha, or Mr Jonathan Greenland, they all work between 3 hospitals which are very near us. Has anyone heard or used any of them? I was awake again most of the night which is becoming a regualar occurance for me now. It just keeps going round and round in my head....how deos everyone else cope with there turmoil and especially there own thoughts? I am going to drive myself mad!!!

Hi,

Thnks for those responses. The doctor just gave us the consultants name and hospital so never even referred us really.
He never mentioned the whole ICSI thing...Whats all that about then? I feel like I have this choking in my throat when I think about what we did (having the vasectomy). The morning my DH went in for it I was still asleep. (We were in Cyprus and so he had to be driven 2hr journey away). I woke up just as the door was slamming closed. I knew then that it was the wrong decision. I ran to try to catch him but he had alrady driven away....his phone was switched off. I don't think I will ever get over it. I feel this sense of urgency that I have to do something as time is ticking and the age gap is widening. Both times I fell pregnant I fell within days of coming off the pill but not sure if this matters at all.

hi donste my dh had a vr in Feb 09 with a Dr Dawson in hartlepool. the original vas was done 6 years ago he had his tubes burnt as well. On one side the tubes could not be re-connected as they had been burnt to far apart, the other side has been connected, we are just waiting to do his first sample in may (I think it is). and fingers crossed we will get pg soon.

The reversals are very hit and miss, you'll have to pay for it yourself and it can take 2 years before the full sperm quota is reached, that was what put me off as like you our other child is 4 years already so a 5 year gap was the minimum we were looking at.
The first step is a referal from your GP to a private consultant, I couldn't bear the wait and uncertainty so am going for ICSI where they take his sperm and grow it with my eggs in a petra dish.

Hi All,

I have been reading thorugh your threads and wondered if anyone can give me alittle advise please. My DH had a vasectomy about 2 years ago after my 2nd child was ill in holspital at 1yr old due to pnemonia. We both said we couldn't go through it again and he went to see doctor regards to having the snip. Within a week he had an appointment for a few weeks time (little one was still ill) and he went ahead with it. I wasn't spoken to at all by a doctor or asked a single question. Anyhow, I have regretted almost instantly as little on is now 4 yrs old and that illness time came and went and we came out the other end. As the time goes on and I keep getting the fellings of longing fo another child they seem to get worse everytime. I am 32yrs old and my DH is 36 so I think we are still really young. I have been doing loads of searches on the internet about the reversals and my DH went to the doctor to see if he could get it on the NHS but was told they have stopped doing them. Can anyone give advise on what I should do, where we should go etc??? I thought that if we go and book a consultation with a doctor then that may be the first step.....I am just in turmoil at the moment.....maybes the doctor can't perform the op as I am sure his vasectomy was the one where they burn the tubes (does that make a difference??). I would be so grateful for anyones reply......cheers

Yes i've been given a breakdown of the costs and the drugs for one cycle are about £550 IIRC.

you might be right about the gene pool thing Ive only got 1 (child) so a few more would be good LOL!

Pink - have you been told how much the drugs cost, that might influence how patient I have to be blush

Maybe because I have sooooo many kids already I'm more concerned about my gene pool expanding to the ridiculous lol

its a nightmare isnt it sorrento? I dont seem to have a ny qualms about the potential 1/2 sibling, not really sure why, just doesnt bother me...i keep questioning why but cant work it out! I think partly its almost narcissistic in that I LIKE the idea of my genes continuing on even if I fail, and I'm convicned who ever got the eggs would be good parents as the process and costs involved just dont add up to some one crap.

You just have to go with your gut in these situation s as theres no right answer, my gut feeling as soon as the egg share co-ordinator explained was to gamble and give them all away but who knows how I'd feel when it comes down to it?? I have to decide now s she said the time when they will need the answer if it comes to it, is when you are coming round from sedation!

My blood tests also take 4 weeks but Ive just ovulated so not sure how it works?? although she did say i can start on either day 1 or day 21 of cycle but a couple of weeks either dont make that much difference to me. I've waited solong anyway a few more weeks is nothing.

Just go with your gut x

Pink I have a similar dilelma, they didn't tell me the blood tests would take 4 weeks and I am due on exactly as they should come back, mean the earliest I could hope to start down reg is May and I think that's too late to get pregnant that month, so I'd be looking at June or even July. I so do not want that 6 year age gap, but equally I would be saving £2k it's so hard to know what to do. And that's with everything being straight forward.

I also think I have issues with my details, address etc being given to the donor, I can't seem to get my head around the DC's potentially having a half brother or sister. And what if it works for the donor but not for me ?

I'm giving myself another week to make a decission but am leaning towards stumping up the extra money and going for it.
I can donate eggs as my thank you to god later if I decide I can live with the implications.

Oh and I'm only having one egg, have given that lots of thought too.

Hi pink - glad its all going ahead, does sound like a mindfield though! Not sure I'd know what to do in your position either - tough choice - although from a financial position it makes sense to donate them all and try again with higher drugs - not sure qbout the emotional implications of that - cos obviously you'd have gone through all that to come away with definately nothing. God thats a really hard decision - not much help am I?! Sorry!

Shm - sorry things are still not happening for you - sounds similar to my story. My dh had reversal April 2008 (7 years post vasectomy) and we are still trying without success. I might sound really dull here but whats an endrocrinologist? Might be useful for my dh?

Hows everyone else?
xx

Hello all

I was on this thread a while ago but have had nothing to contribute - we are just still trying, nothing happening. My partner is queuing up to see an endocrinologist (been waiting since before Xmas for an appt!) after a referral from our fertility consultant. I can't remember his stats, but the problem is abnormal forms rather than motility. He had the reversal in May 2008, about 7 years after the orig snip. I was wondering if anyone else's partner has been sent to an endocrinologist, and if so was it useful?
thanks
Stephanie

Hey terrier - turns out the blood tests I had will take 4-6 weeks so counselling in 4 weeks is fine. Was weird giving details to co-ordinator tht she will shre with recipients (height, hair colour, weight, eye colour) didnt have to give as much info as I thought though. In america they have photos of you as child and your educational achievements and everything! I can ask if the recipient gets pg but they will not tell me unless i ask (think i'd only ask if i got pg and everything was ok)also have to decide what to do if less thn 8 eggs retrieved - do i give them all to recipient nd try again with higher drugs dose (in whiich case they will give me the next cycle for free) or drop egg sharing keep them all myself and pay the full £5,500 ivf cost (not sure we can afford that. We have to decide now as she said the point were they would need an answer I would be coming round from sedation so not a good time to decide!

Any thoughts ladies?

Let us know how you get on pink - and give em a piece of your mind if they dare to delay things any further! Good luck xx

hey everyone - not been on for a while

Welsh - thanks for thinking of me hope your pg going well :-)

I am off to the clinic again today for blood tests and to meet with egg share co-ordinator. Counselling has been postponed til 24th april!!! Hoping thats not going to stop the process from moving forwards - will be having words today if that is the case!

Welcome to the new people, glad to see everyones doing well.

xx

kellykate - that hospital sounds shocking - the nurse sounds a right spiteful cow - makes you wonder why shes in that job as she clearly does not like people! Oh and dont you just hate all those patronising cows who tell you that you shouldnt have had the vasectomy done in the first place - like we dont know that! Bloody cheeky sods - and why does she care whos paying for it - aslong as she gets paid! Am very angry on your behalf! Glad the actual op went well though - thats the most important thing! Now look after dh and you will soon be bd'ing!!

hopeforamiracle - welcome aboard the rollercoaster - its getting quite busy on here now! - more the merrier though I say! Good luck x

Welsh - good to see you havent abandoned us - hope the pregnancy is going well.

Hope everyone else is okay too xx

hi everyone. dh is doing well. hes still sore and a bit swollen . he got both sides done as far as we know.
Hospital was shite. dh wont let me complain to them but im not happy with a few things.
We got it done at the private hospital in Edinburgh and cos dh doesnt come round from anaesthetics too well, they woke him up slowly and then the dr explained how the op ha dgone while he was just coming round so he cant remember most of what was said.
I went through to visit him on wed night to take him some juice and stuff and the nurse was a cow. after 5 mins she came in and moaned there were too many of us. - me and 3 children There are no restrictions on how many visitors and he was in his own room ffs.
THen dh was starving so cow nurse appeared at 9pm and gave him a sandwich and said your soup was cold so you cant get it. THe dinner had been brought up at 5pm and he only got out of surgery at 5.30pm.
Several of the nurses told him he shouldnt nhave had the original vas op so young blah blah blah. And cowbag nurse then went om to ask who was paying for it - what the fxxx is it to do with her.
Then aftre I picked him up on thu morning and brought him home he phoned his own gp cos he needed a sick line for his work cos they have gave him 2 weeks off and his gp wanted to know where his discharge letter was. We never got one, gp gave him sick line but would prefer to have a letter to keep his records right. aaaaaarggggghhhh. and now im choked with the cold too.

rant over , i cant believe thats it raelly done grin

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IM back to looking at all teh gorgeous baby clothes and sitting watching baby programs on sky.

grin

Hi all, terrier, sorry your AF arrived sad

but I think having a month off is a great idea. It'll give you a break from ttc and help you relax. Good luck for next month wink

Wow, lots of things are happening for the rest of you ladies aswell. Glad to hear all your other halves seem to be getting better after their ops and wising you all luck for your sperm results etc..

Pink, hope everything is ok x Haven't been on here that much lately but am keeping tabs on how your getting on x

Hi Everyone. Been meaning to join in the discussion for a while but just been rading all the posts rather than posting. My bf had the ope on 20th December and he is due for the three month sperm test in a couple of weeks. Quite nervous really incase it is not good news. Part of me thought that it was going to happen really quickly but I guess it's not as easy as that! Keep trying all these cheap pregnancy tests just incase but they are always negative :-(

Anways I guess we will find out more in a couple of weeks.

Good luck all x

Kellykate hope dh is doing ok after his op.

hope everyone else is doing ok.

kellykate - thats great - you wil soon be actively ttc! Let us now what you find out today - fingers crossed it all went well!

Hows everyone else doing?

AF has just arrived for me, although I didnt expect any different this month as (through my choice) we havent really had sex. Think that the sperm analysis results made me realise that its still highly unlikely at the mo and I think that psychologically I felt that a month off would do me good. it has certainly taken the pressure off - and I,ve saved money on a hpt this month! lol!
xx

Hope everyones doing well.

grin

ok its too late for dh to change his mind cos thats the op over and done with. grin

hospital just phoned to say that op went ok and dh is fine. Hes still sleeping though so they said he wont be allowed home before 9pm at the earliest so Im not even sure if we'll be visiting tonight cos I know that if me and the kids go through he'll want to come home with us. He was booked in to stay overnight anyway and I really dont want him moving about too soon and wrecking the vasectomy reversal.
Hospital said that before the op he was very nervous and was adamant he was going home tonight.
Im dying to find out how the actual op went though and if it worked.

Ill be back tomorrow to let update when i know a bit more.

Hi everyone hope you're all doing ok, sunshine glad to hear that your dh has recovered and back in work, I'm sure all will be fine and fingers crossed for your Baby bundle at Christmas!
KellyK, we're about to make final payment for dh op this week too kinda sealed the deal then - no going back!!
Sorrento - keep smiling, an April baby sounds lovely,so does Australia!!
Terrier hope all is well with you x
If op goes well I guess we'll be aiming for an April baby too!! - any month will do me I'm not fussy!!
Take care all x

Fingers x for a April baby for you then

My af is due 12th so from then onwards. Not that I'm obsessing (much grin

) but if I get caught this month I'll have a new baby just before Christmas this year! my sensible head tells me it will not be that easy.

Well no this is the thing they haven't even got the eggs out yet and it all just seems to be taking forever, plus the hospital is moving in April so it would have been close anyway.
Am resigned to it being an April baby now ;-)
I guess as long as we get there in the end and it'll mean we can go to a family thing is Australia at Christmas so maybe it'll all work out, bout time something went right lol

How are you, when will you be able to start TTC have they said ?

Sorrento so sorry the hospital are messing you around, have they said when the eggs will be ready for them to implant?

Oh he's fine, thanks for asking.
Am really fed up with the hospital because they said they need blood from me on day 1 of my period and day 21.
Well day 1 in December was the 3rd and so 21 was Christmas eve, no way was I treking accross town then, so they said don't worry come in January and I forgot blush

So we get to Febuary and it turns out they don't need it at all, (saved me another £150, am sure they make it up as they go along) and it's unlikely I'll have embroy's ready to implant in May (which would have given me my Feb baby).
I know it's hardly the end of the world, am much more chilled about it, but Feb would have worked really well for us and there was no reason why we couldn't have had feb either

so was just pissed off. His went well I think he's up and about and a bit sore.

Rant over grin

Kelly there's no going back now ;-)

kellykateneedsaholiday good luck for next week.

sorrento hope you are ok?

pixiejaz good luck to dh for 25th.

Hi terrier hope everything if ok with you to.

My dh is back in work tomorrow. Im very excited we ttc now but also worried it will not be as easy as I hope.

hi everyone. Ive just payed for dhs op so he cant change his mind now grin

Its next wed so Im getting a bit excited about it in a nervous way if that makes sense. Dh just keeps thinking what he could have spent £2500 on instead grin

that wouldnt have involved him being in pain like a motorbike hmm

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Hope everyones doing well and there was nothing wrong with sorrentos Dh.

sorrento - whats up with the hospital??

pixiejazz - sounding good!!

Can I have a big rant please about the hospital when I get back from the school run ?

Hi all,
Just got back from consultation after a 13 hour round trip! Bum still numb from being in the car so long but well worth it! Seems that it looks fairly positive although I'm sure that's what they say to everyone! Apparently a good chance as dh tubes were cut rather than burnt so makes rejoining much easier. He went through stats re blow out and the percentages etc but he seemed really nice and feel a lot more reassured. He thinks that dh is gonna be living the life of luxury as he's booked a month off work to recover! I'm sure that will be the case although I have noted Sorrento that yours has been up and about!!
Well next step is operation on the 25th March so counting down now!
Take care everyone xx

Mines loading the dishwasher blush

Hi everyone,
How are the patients today?? Hope they are being well looked after!
xx

Thanks both, sounds really reassuring will pass that on to my dh and hope it makes him feel a little less nervous!! Consultation day after tomorrow so hoping that we come home feeling a little bit more in the know as op booked for four weeks time!
Hope the healing process continues to go ok and fingers crossed for some good news in the near future!

Blimey sunshine that sounds hard work alround, my DH is sat playing his PS and seems happy as, the general knocked him about a bit but his actual manhood doesn't seem to be troubling him, although he is drugged up.

Any news anyone ???

Hi Sorrento how is dh tonight? hope everything is ok.

pixiejazz dh was told to wear 2 pairs of the brief style underwear day and night for the first 10 days and the just during the day for the following week to give support. Dh was told to take 3 weeks of work as he has a very heavy lifting type of job, but to be honest he is board now and wishes he was back in work. He thinks he is well enough to go back to work now but they wont let him as he has a infection now. Dh was told to spend the first 3 days lying down as apposed to sitting up so as not to put any pressure on himself. (although walking around is fine) I encouraged him to get his own drinks ect just to keep him mobile. I kept everything in reach so the was no bending or stretching. ( but my dh had a blood clot two years a go so cant afford not to keep mobile iyswim)

Have just spoken to him, he is wearing a padded cod piece hmm

and sounds bright enough, he's booked an interview and an assessment centre for next monday so it doesn't sound like he's planning to stay in bed for long.
I can't imagine for a moment it's any worse than the vasectomy itself, can you ?

Good luck Sorrento hope all goes well this evening!
Sunshine how is your dh feeling? How long has he been instructed to rest for? My dh is a little worried thinking that he'll be bed bound for months! I'm sure that armed with a little bell he'll milk it for all its worth!
Any words of wisdom that I can pass on to him would be greatly received I'm sure!

Sorrento good luck to your dh for his op this evening.

my dh is recovering well he has an infection but nothing the antibiotics wont deal with. hope every one else is ok.

The big day today, he's off for the op this evening, I'm more nervous than him lol
Fingers crossed grin

Thanks for the welcome all. Looks like you guys really know your stuff all seems a little complicated to me!!
Consultation next thursday and hoping that the consultant can offer dh some words of wisdom. He's terrified and sure that something awful is gonna happen to him, trying to reassure him without sounding as if I'm belittling him but I'm no doctor!
Well, onwards and upwards!
Stay happy, keep smiling!

Yes my printouts also state "15.7 mil/ml (or 18.3 or whtever) but the private consultant explained it to us and thats the overall count...I could be wrong bout yours and both the gp and the nhs consultant interpreted it like you and I but apparently not....but like I said maybe yours is different. Try not to worry about anti bodies just yet. Give the 3 months of vits and then ask the consultant for a more detailed analysis that includes anti-bodies...if you've not caught by then grin

Thanks pink - god now im really confused! Think I need to see consultant again! That is really odd about the concentration though, cos like you said it states million/ml which I took to mean how many million were in each ml! Really looks like it would be because the guidelines on the bottom are in the same format.
Now you got me worried about antibodies though cos dh's morphology and motility are both crap too!
Guess I'll wait the 3 mths and see what happens, but will as consultant about antibodies in the meantime as the gp is crap!
Thanks again!

I should add that anti-bodies dont completely stop sperm from moving (as my last post seems to suggest) for example, in the test that showed 11.7 million sperm there was 20% motility and 10% normal morhology...but although we didn't know it at the time there was 100% of the sperm bound with antibodies which stops them being able to penetrate an egg. Now I need to find out where the anti-bodies are attached to (head, midsection or tail) as this also makes a big difference to things. God who knew I would end up knowing sooo much about sperm! LOL!

The reason I asked you to post that is, when the gp and even the nhs consultant, fed back the results to dh and I, he stated that the total count was the count per ml if you get what I mean. Like on dh's most recent nhs analysis they said he has 15.7mil per mil (had gone up to 18.3 at private test - yay!) and on the printout it looks like this but when we went to the private clinic he spent some time explaining the rsults from the sperm test they did there and it turns out that that 15.7 is divided by the number of milliletres, so in that sperm test that was 5.23 mil per ml (who guidelines are 20 million per ml) (therefore your dh's are prob 9 mil per ml)I picked up on this and was angry and upset as you can imagine that we had been misinformed for so long :-( So it looks like your DH results are still double what my dh's were at 15 months post op so that really positive! grin

Yes the anti-bodies were a problem, apparently at least 70% of reversal men have anti-sperm antibodies, so for the gp to say ts not an issue is utter...well..bollocks! When you look into what anti-bodies do to sperm, I knew in my heart of hearts that dh n
must have them as they affect motility/morphology and DH's were both bad, but you trust the consultant! How stupid was I! DH has 100% antibodies so none of the little buggers can move!

I think you are right, I would get your dh on the vits and re-test in 3 months. But once you have got to about 18 months trying I would ask to be referred. Good luck hun! xx

Just did a it of internet research - looks like it is usually between 12-24mths for things to be any good - although it can take up to 82mths to achieve pregnancy!!

Thanks pink.

Here goes:
Appearance: Normal
Liquefication (within 1 hour): Complete
Consistency: Viscous
pH: 7.9
Round/WBC (million/ml): 0
Volume (ml): 3.2
Concentration (million/ml): 27.0
Morphology/normal (%): 8
Motility (A- rapid progressive%): 0
Motility (B- sluggish progessive): 1
Motility (C- Non progressive): 15
Motility (D- Immotile): 84

Think the amount is fine, he produced 3.2ml and needs to be at least 2ml?

Thanks for the vitamin advice! Will get to the shops asap (I'll tell him its his valentines day present!)
What do you reckon on improvement though? Cant really remember what the consultant told us - think he said around 12-18mths was average to reach potential?
What do you think about testing for anti-bodies? Wasnt this an issue in your case?

Thank you Dr.Pink!!

xx

Hey terrier thats great! 27 mil is more than dh had at 10 months so must be good! Does it say anywhere how many milliletres of seminal fluid were produced as this is important. If poss can you type up exactly what the results sheet says even if it makes no sense? then I can have a proper see whats going on?

As for improving things he needs to take zinc 3 times per day a really high dosage, L-carnytine, L arginine, selenium, vit e, B12 and vit c. Or something like zita west mens fertility tablets (but they are soooo expensive) Eating a handful of brazil nuts every day (i put em in dh lunch box) and only BDing every other day.

Try and get the exact results up and I will examine more closely xxxxxxxxxx

forgot to add pink, that I did ask gp about anti-bodies test, but he didnt think there was an issue ?? not sure why he's assuming that as I know that its a big thing to consider with reversals

sorrento - glad you are feeling more positive, sounds promising about the job too!

sunshine - make sure dh has plenty of rest, my dh was back in work after a week (much to my dismay! - he cant sit still!)

pink - heres where you get to analyse results for me - if you dont mind!
Dont think its completely hopeless - am hoping you'll tell me things could still improve (and grateful for any tips on how to do this!)

Here goes - concentration 27million (which I know is good!), then it goes really downhill - morphology 8%, motility (A-rapid progressive) 0%, motility (B- sluggish progressive) 1%, motility (C-non progressive) 15%, motility (D-immotile) 84%

So basically what gp said was sperm count is great, but its very poor quality, shape and size not great and havent learnt to swim again yet! He advises copying results to consultant for his advice and repeating sperm test in 3mths.
Problem is dh smokes, drinks (neither excessively) and is under a lot of stress at work.
We are at 10mth mark now, so not really sure how much more improvement we can expect? What do you think?
I am in a right state at the moment, but think that the 10mths of ovualtion kits and pregnancy tests, along with all my imaginary symptoms have really left their mark on me. At least now I am more realistic and hopefully wont expect to get pregnant any time soon!
Gp was talking about IVF but tbh I wasnt in the mood for listening. Will do the repeat test in 3 mths and take it from there.

Sorry for the mega long post girls (again!)
xx

Sorrento 3 weeks he has been given of by his dr. hopefully he will get bored and go back sooner lol

aww chris evans baby is a cutey, obvs gets his looks from his mum LOL! Glad you are feeling more positive x

Well he's through to final interview on the 19th and booked in for the op on the 23rd so I guess if it's meant to be in he goes if not well at least we won't have wasted money we don't have.
I am a lot more positive today, my kitchens looking amazing, the bathroom is nearly there. I know it sounds daft but I would like to have a baby the way most people have a baby, with their house around them, people being happy for them and all being good in their relationship, it's not much to ask is it blush

well hopefully some of the boxes are now ticked grin

Did everyone see Chris Evan's baby ? What a stunner, am broody again lol

oh that sounds encouraging sunshine, how long does he have off work?

hi pixiejazz good luck with the op

welsh pleased your scan went well

Sorrento good luck on the 23

terrier good luck with you results today

hope everything is ok with you pink

dh is doing very well after his op does not seem to be in to much pain.

ha ha! yeah I'm sure you'd be able to work it out if it was a half sibling bringing bunch of flowers up the garden path....or at least I'm hoping so hmm

Theres no getting away from it, for most of us on this blasted thread its a bloody misery, but we'll all get through it one way or another. sorrento, it must be really stressful for you at the mo, i know we are in similar situation though dh has a job now but like you said to me, think long term . fingers crossed for everyone. xxx

Welcome on board pixie - good luck with the op - and I know what you mean time does weem to go so slowly when you are waiting!

Sorrento - wish there was something I could say to cheer you up - all I can offer is to say "you are welcome to be miserable with me!" Think we all go through that quite a lot on this thread - it seems so unfair! Really hope it all works out for you and your dh can find work soon.

Welsh - congratulations, another milestone reached - Im so happy for you!

Sunshine - hows the patient today?

Got my results today - so fingers crossed! Not feeling too optimistic, but hoping thats just down to the state of my mind lately!
xx

Congratulations Welsh, that's wonderful news am tickled pink for you grin

hi all, welcome pixie x

Keep us posted on the results, terrier and pink.

Sunshine, congrats. Sounds promising so good luck.

Scan went well and looks like we're having another girl but the cord was between the legs so not 100% certain. Main thing is everything looks ok thank god smile

Am a bit nervous Pink, we don't have the money for it at all which I knew would happen and DH still hasn't got a job at all. I want to be excited but it just feels a bit depressing really. Sorry am a right misery at the moment.
I'm going for the egg sharing, assuming we go ahead though and I'll just make sure I'm not contactable in 18 years time, I think it'll be damn obvious if one of my kids wants to marry their half brother won't it ?

ah sorrento just read back along the thread and found were it says op is 23rd feb ...are you excited? I bet you can start the ivf soon after that cant you? Did you decide whether or not to do the egg sharing thing? x

Hi pixiejazz glad you found us its always good to have new people on board :-)

Good luck with the op and like sorrento says feel free to ask anything xx

sorrento my dear I've been wondering whats going on with you? Remind me where you are up to...did dh have his aspiration op thingy? xx

Welcome to the thread pixie, there's lots of info on here already but if there's anything we can do to help or support you, please shout out.

Hi all, been reading all your posts and really comforted in a strange sort of way that there are others out there going through it too! My dh had vasectomy whilst in his last marriage after having 3 children. At the time he was just 25. We have been together now for 5 years and we have finally bit the bullet and booked the op for mid march, we have our consultation at the end of this month.
We're really hoping for some success but both a little nervous my past experiences with pregnancy in a past marriage have not been great with one stillbirth and miscarriage a year later. If this doesn't work will maybe find myself giving up on the whole mum thing!!
I guess it's a matter of time but time seems to go so slowly when waiting for these things to happen then you realise years down the line that everyone else seems to have babies except you!!!
Well, that was a lenghthy intro anyway will keep you posted. Take care everyone x

Hey sunshine - sounds like it went well. hope you are looking after him! Its horrible to see them like that isnt it? I can remember feeling quite guilty about asking him to have it done when i saw what a mess it left my dh in, until I realised it was his decision to have BOTH ops done! Men are crazy!

Pink - sounds exciting - things are starting to move forward for you!
xx

Hey sunshine - hope your dh is not in too much discomfort. To be honest you will find almost everyone will say similar stories to yours (i.e one side was really damaged other side ok) I somtimes think its a standard script surgeons use to cover their asses if your sperm count isnt great afterwards hmm

On ly time will tell how its all worked out, but it doesnt sound like theres any reason to thnk its goone badly so congratulations!

Keep us posted xx

pink good luck for Friday. smile

we are home after dh vr, when his vasectomy was done the original doctor burnt his tubes and on the left side the were no tubes at all to re- connect, on the right side they were burnt but there was a small amount of tube to be able to re build before connecting? not sure really what will happen from here now but just wait and see I suppose

Hey girls - Sunshine good luckxx

welsh - fantastic let us know how it goes.

terrier - let us know how he gets on

Rang NHs secretary and she has sent the stuff now so will ring up on friday! eek!

Hi welsh - good to hear from you! My god, cant believe you got your (20wk?) sacn tomorrow!! It seems to be flying by! Good luck with that, hope it goes well! Will you ask the gender?
Dh test results should be there on friday, and Im absolutely petrified - catch 22 situation really - I really need to know but am terrified its gonna be bad news. Af is due sat aswell (happy valentines eh?)
I guess at least I will know one way or the other!

Pink - any news?

Sunshine - how did it go?
xx

Hi all,

Terrier, when do you get the results from the sample ?

Pink, any news yet on your tests ??

Sunshine, The best of luck for today x Be prepared for doing lots of running around after your DH x

Hope everyone is well. Got my scan tomorrow to check the baby is well so wish me luck girls pls x

Best of luck sunshine, hope it goes well. Let us know how it goes xx

Good Luck sunshine, I hope it all goes well for him (and you) xx

Pink hope the secretary has phoned you with your results

terrier hope dh results are good
good luck to you both.

dh has his reversal tomorrow

No news s yet - nhs consultants secretary didn't ring as promised by friday so will have to chase that up on monday ho hum nevermind.

Glad your dh made it to give his sample grin

good luck with the results.

kellykate - sounds great, good luck x

kellykate thats fantastic news! You will be counting down the days now! Sounds really promising too!! Wont be long!
Yes my hubby made it to the hospital and delivered his sample think he was too scared to come home if he didnt! lol!

Hey Pink - any news?
xx

hi everyone,
well we went to see the consultant tonight and she said she was happy to do the op and there was a good chance of it being succesful grin

as it was done less than 3 yrs ago etc . then she examined dh and she is pretty sure that it was done with clips and the tubes havent been cut which makes it an easier op.

the appointment for the big day has been made for the afternoon of 11th March. I cant believe its really going to happen but im not letting myself get excited.

Ive just got to phone and check the exact price etc on MOnday as it was too late to do it today and the consultant only deals with her fee, the hospital does the rest moneywise.

terrier- hope your hubby made it yto the hospital for his sample on wednesday.

Yay pink! Thats great news, good luck! xx

Hey everyone

Terrier ooooh good luck for you and DH with the test - at least you will have a better idea one way or another whats happening and can act accordingly - thats what Ive found - its better to just know what you are dealing with.

Sorrento - not long now then! Have everything crossed for you.

I am awaiting results from all my tests done on the NHS being sent to CARE and then I have to ring the "egg sharing team" ! eeek and the whole process will begin! Should get a phonecall from nhs consultants secretary by friday to confirm this has been done then its all systems go! Wish me luck girlies!

xx

Hi sorrento - thats excellent news - things are starting to move forward for you (i'll bet it still seems like a long time away to you though). Lets hope its the start of some good luck for all us deserving ladies on this thread!

Well, today is the day that my dh has to provide his sample. We have had really heavy snow and the schools are still closed. So I've been really anxious (not like me I know!), about will we make it to the hospital, will the appointment be cancelled etc etc! With the school still closed it means dh will have to go alone (I can hardly take 2 dc's with me!), but now hes been called into work!! I've phoned the hospital and the appointment is still on, and my dh has promised me he will make it there!

Slight development here hubby has a new op date of 23rd Feb.
Terrier keep us posted, good things come to those who wait (I'm convinced of it).

Hi welsh, bet you cant wait! I'd love to have a summer baby, cos my 2 are both december babies (one is actually xmas day!) - come to think of it maybe Im only fertile around March time! Lol!

Thanks pink - you are my rock! We get the results on Friday 13th Feb (and my af is due 14th Feb - Valentines day - nice!). Will probably not be one here til the Saturday though cos the gp appointment isnt until 4.50pm and will have dh here. He's not that keen on sharing our private lives with strangers - I dont think he understands the benefits!
I had one hell of a blow out on him yesterday, really let it all out, and now I feel really sorry for him because I realise he is trying his best. Unfortunately I cant help feeling this shit, and sooner or later he needed to know how low Im feeling, so he can try to help me through it. I think that I've just felt like I was doing it all on my own and that he wasnt making an effort or concerned about things. We are united in our misery now - so thats nice! Lol!
Possibly TMI here but any ideas whats going on here? We bd'd last night (cd16) and this morning I have woken up to find myself and my bed (new linen too!) completely saturated in blood. I am still bleeding now though it is quite light. I have suffered cervical erosion in the past (though not for a few years), so Im hoping it is just that. Not very nice though, will have to see gp if it continues.

Hows the weather with everyone? We have a very small spattering of snow, but hardly anything really, but the car wouldnt start this morning and I had to walk the kids to school.. Its a half an hour walk and my dd was almost crying with th cold, bless her. Just hope it doesnt get worse and I have to walk them back home in it!

Hi

Terrier, I'm fine thanks smile

My due date is officially 29th June but should be around 22nd because of the c-section. Should find out the exact date at my next consultation appointment though.

Oh and Hi welsh! grin

good to see you back xx

I have read that much on sperm analysis, I think I knew more than the GP, the consultant and everyone put together LOL! I will happily have a look at them for you terrier. When are they due bck? I will make sure to look on here that day.

I understand what you mean about feeling ok but still fragile, it's process this whole thing and although logically you may have become more relaistic your emotions some times take a bit to catch up! If you get what I mean ??! Its really like a greiving process and sometimes you will get through a stage and then end up going back again and repeating that stage before properly moviing on. Its very hard as well cause you cant really talk to anyoone about it and people dont get how deep the pain is (like they would in bereavement) but keep talking here and we'll all keep listening xx

Hi welsh! glad everything is going well, I was thinking about you the other day and wondering how you are - whens your due date?

Thanks pink - I will be posting the sperm analysis results on here for your opinion as I feel after all you have been through you will probably have a better interpretation of them than my gp - who is quite frankly crap!

Think all this ttc business has left its mark on me though as Im still very tearful and flying of the handle at the slightest thing - Im very irrational still, even though Im feeling more realistic - does that make any sense! Think Im just a bit fragile at the momement, im sure it will pass xx

Hi all, subtle name change again !! Wow, lots of developments on the thread. Tessa, welcome and hello again KellyK x

Sorry I've not been around much lately but all is well smile

Pink, that is fantastic news about the IVF. Bet your really excited and it's great to see things are finally moving forward for you grin

Terrier, glad too that you're feeling a bit more upbeat x I know my BFP was a blow, even though I know you were all happy for me. Think it made matters worse because my DH was the last to have the op done which doesn't seem fair I know sad

I have everything crossed that the results come back great for you Terrier. I'm sure you will be much more settled after you just know what the results say. Keep us posted please xx

So glad you got to talk to dh and a sympathetic (and very sensible sounding) friend. I really missed you on here (and I'm sure the others did too) and I know how you felt about linz's bfp as it did the same to me.

I think you are right you need to see what the sperm analysis tells you - you might be pleasantly surprised! Make sure you let us know what happens either way xxxxxxxxx

Thanks girls,
I think im just being far too impatient and shouldnt even be considering other options yet. Had a good chat to my friend last night and shes really helped me put things into perspective. We had both been ttc for roughly the same length of time and shes just got her bfp! Think thats what got me so down However, she got me to realise last night that it has taken her this long and she is 24 with no fertility issues, so maybe I am being a little unrealistic when the consultant had told us not to expect anything until at least 12mths!
Im just not a very patient person, and because our linz got her bfp after 3mths, just thought the worst because Im still waiting. Think the fact that we havent had sperm analysis done yet and that my dh didnt seem that bothered was just all too much for me and I became an emotional wreck!
I had a good heart to heart with dh last night too and got him to open up a little bit (it was like pulling teeth!), but I feel we are on more common ground now.
So this morning, you will be pleased to hear , that i am now feeling a lot more realistic and less desparate about things.
I have decided to stop looking too far ahead and just wait for the sperm test results (2 weeks) before deciding where to go from there. At least me and dh are talking about it now so thats real progress, although it did take me to have a mini-breakdown for it ti happen!
Anyway, it looks like I should ovulate either today or tomorrow and we managed to bd on wed, thurs, fri, and fingers crossed we will bd tonight and tomorrow too. That fits in quite nicely with his 2/3 days abstinence for the sperm test on wed grin

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Thank you for your support, its really encouraging. I havent been able to face coming on mn for weeks, but think im back on track now xx

would he *consider i meant fingers typing faster than brain

I have to say Terrier this is why I fast forwarded straight to IVF, would he could that as most of the treatment is done to you, I guess he just has to provide a sample.
My thinking was if it didn't work at least I knew there was a end to it, I could have 10 treatments where as this could go for years and years for you guys ?
As pink said egg sharing brings the cost down dramatically.
Skip the mortgage payment for a month that's my plan lol

oh god it looks like I cant spell at all in that last message but my "a" key isn't working properly! (researching clearly has an a in it blush

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Terrier please talk to us and let us know you are ok xxxxxxxxxx

Oh terrier sweetheart you sound almost exactly like me 6-9 months ago. sex problems - yep, devastated everytime af coomes - yep, obsessing about it and reserching ways to help - yep, feeling hopeless - yep. Its soo so hard to go through this and as you can see I have eneded up in the situation none of us want to be in on this thread - i.e being told it will prob never happen naturally. It's difficult but the oonly way I have founf to help me cope is to set a time limit on how long we will try for and to try and get my head round how life will be without any more dc's.

As for ivf - dont dismiss it out of hand - with egg sharing ours will only cost about £1500. helf the cost of a reversal.

My dh is crap about talking about stuff too and its been very hard with him being made redundant and having to take a very low paid job. he bottles everything up and could tend to become snappy with me as he projected all his anxieties onto to me but try and gently talk to him, you might be surprised. Will he not even consider ivf with egg sharing? It saves so much money and is an amazing thing to do for a woman who cannot produce her own eggs for whatever reason.

Please keep talking to us on here, we miss you and you can rant away! I feel for you i really do as you sound almost exactly like me - I dont give them out much but (((terrier))) have hug xxxxxxxxx

Hi girls,
Sorry I havent been around lately, but tbh im in a real state at the moment.
Im getting really down about the whole ttc and dont know how much longer i can carry on. Every AF brings with it floods of tears and dh isnt really one for talking about it which doesnt help.
However, dh has FINALLY agreed and committed to have the sperm test done. So after a really stressful time with my gp (who is crap and gave us all the wrong details!) I have booked him an appt at lab for next wed, however we have to wait til Fri 13th (cant mean good news!) to see the gp for the results.
Really dont know what i'll do if its bad news, we cant afford IVF and dont know if I can cope with the reality of never having our own child.
Im experiencing the same issues this month as last with dh i.e in the bedroom and dont know if the excuses he makes are valid or just mean that he doesnt really want a baby. He is now blaming it on alcohol (although he doesnt drink much), but is reluctant to avoid alcohol around ov time. he also smokes which I know cant be helping. Just feel soo frustrated as theres nothing I can do to improve our chances.
Sorry for the depressing rant, but just need to get it off my chest.

Pink - Im glad things are moving forward for you.

Tessa - good luck, sounds promising.

Hi to everyone xx

Thanks pink, just got letter back from op saying that under are circumstances we have excellent chance at restoring his sperm count. also it says during the operation i was able to rejoin the vas tubes in a very satisfactory manner.the testicular secretions were rather thick and creamy but did contain a lot of dead sperm. the hope is that the fluid will become thinner and allow live sperm to come into your ejaculate when we test it in 3 months time. don't really understand that bit does anyone know what that means... lv Tessa xxx

Hi Tessa, welcome to the thread, its not terribly busy on here but we re very friendly and check back in on here every few days. Glad your DH's op went well. Good luck TTC

linz and terrier where are youoooo? grin

hiya i'm a newbie to this site, i've read all through the posts and it sounds great. My partner alan has just had the reversal on 26th jan 3 years after first having the vasectomy done. We already have 2 sons damion who is 8 and michael who is 6. like a lot of people we're regretting having the vas done and really shouldn't taken a rash decision. well thats it about me. Alan is doing well after op he's really sore, really bruised and walking like john wayne lol. Anyway i just wanted to say hi and i hope your all doing well

Lv Tessa xxx

will do sorrento - the consultant was acually quite positive about egg sharing. he did a cost gains thing with me about doing it/not doing it and on the plus side was saying - its a "good" admirable thing to do as well as the obvious financial benefit. Me nd DH dont have any prob per se with someone turning up in 18 yers and have discussed it a bit last night - we would tell DS and any dc that came from ivf when they were old enough that we egg shared and the possibility they have biological siblings somewhere - but the consultant made us feel really good about doing it. It costs the couple having donated eggs and ivf closer to 10 grand so its a really big undertaking for them. xx

Oh let me know what they say about egg sharing hun, I still have steam coming out of my ears following my bloody counselling session.
DH's sperm aspiration didn't happen on Monday as he has a job interview tomorrow, have told him not to come home if he doesn't get it grin

so we're back to March for his bit which is cutting things fine to say the least.

Kelly if you find away of stopping yourself looking at babygrows do let me know, I've even been known to buy a few despite knowing I never dress my babies in white once I know what flavour I've got blush

I saw a new Bugaboo in the sale and had to physically remove myself from the shop to stop me buying it blush

Sorry that should have been KellyK! You know what I meant LOL! xx

hey girls, just got back from my initial consultation with a private fertility clinic. Was in there for 2 hours, got spend 1 hour with the consultant going through evrything and asking q's, dh had a sperm test with results done there and then (amazing - takes months for same thing on nhs) and basically we are going to have to go for ivf with icsi as DH's sperm are knackered LOL! I am going to egg share so process takes a couple of weeks longer, but omg I cant believe we are moving on. Consultant said for me to stop taking clomid as its not going to work (DH has 100% anti sperm antibodies -ASA - this is from having had a vasectomy - now reversed - his body has seen his own sperm as a foreign body and developed anti bodies which bind to the sperm preventing them from swimming - so at 100% he said its highly unlikey to happen) The nhs consultant told me that the ASA test they did was fine ! Ha! How wrong can you be!

So ladies wish me luck and hey katiek glad you are back on the old reversal train and welcome back, keep us updated !!PM xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Hi
I posted ages ago on this thread and should have been going for consultation for dh op last july, but first appointment was cancelled by cos consultant was ill, then dh changed jobs and didnt want to have to take time off straight away, then i got cold feet about the whole thing.
So now we have saved up the money for op and dh goes for consultation on the 6th feb and im def not changing my mind this time. grin

now i just need to stop looking at baby clothes etc. dh talked to his boss today and told her he had to go for minor op soon but doesnt have enough hols to take 2 weeks off afterwards (he does a lot of heavy lifting for his work so doc says hell need to take the time off) His boss says that hes to take the two weeks and not come back till he feels ok. he just needs to fit his time off round the other guy he works withs hols (small company, only two of them in his dept)

Im trying not to think about it but theres so many people getting pregnant just now that its not easy.

Congrats on the pregnancy welshlinz and hopefully itll not be long before theres more of us with a bump.

Blimey well I shall bring that up with the counsellor who has frightened the life out of me.

ah but they can discriminate in much the same way that they can discriminate when choosing people who are potential adoptive/foster parents.

The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 1990 states that before carrying out fertility treatment a clinic must “take account of the welfare of any child who may be born as a result of that treatment, (including the need of that child for a father), and of any child who may be affected by the birth”.

This means that before starting fertility treatment the clinic will ask you a number of personal questions, including your age, proof of identity and the medical histories of you and your immediate family. In situations where the child will have no legal father, the clinic will pay particular attention to the prospective mother’s ability to meet the child’s needs throughout childhood. If you refuse permission, this will be taken into account by the clinic in considering whether or not to offer treatment.

I cant see clinics being neglectful because of the huge potential for legal action that must surely exist if anything goes wrong. At least I hope not! grin

I assumed that too pink, but no apparently they cannot discriminate against people with all sorts of backgrounds so the eggs could literally go to anyone and again the private eggs can go to the NHS patients, certainly at the Hewitt centre and I would have no control over that.
I'm not trying to put you off because no doubt I am worrying about nothing.

Its unlikely your eggs would go to a drug addict or anyone like that though isn't it? Most peeople who go down the ivf route, with all the heartache and costs associated are unlikely to be massively unstable types (of course there are exceptions to every rule). And I presume the eggs used at a private clinic would be used with other private patients not packaged up nd used in nhs fcilities?

Plus - when I just filled out my forms for CARE fertility before my appointment next week, part of that was a disclosure form where they can seek info from social services and gp's about your history including any domestic violence, social services involvement, criminal history etc as the new act also means they have a duty to ensure any child born as result of fertility treatment must reasonably be assumed not to be being given to people/families with domestic/social problems or any history of criminality, drug use, abuse, or violence.

Sorry hit return, well no you couldn't be forced to sit down and have a coffee but they could knock the door or watch you for weeks and confront you in Sainsbury's or tell my other DC. All just hassel I don't need for the sake of £2k (I think am still hmm and ahhing as I do).

My Aunty had her son adopted in the 70's, he went to a great family but was a bad person, criminal and drug addict and my mum and others welcomed him into the family and looked after him for a few years until he got back onto the drugs and then tried to kill my aunt, uncle and 3 cousins.
Now I know that's extreme but it just worries me if you've had no say in the upbringing of a person and then the appear and claim you as their biological mum you'd want to help them (I think I would anyway) but it could all go wrong, am worrying needlessly no doubt blush

Well it's the law so I assume there are penalties for not doing so, if they can find you grin

I just felt totally uncomfortable that my eggs could be given to a drug addict or a person who might harm the baby, I know you can't control it but if I didn't know then I wouldn't worry and it seemed to me there was a very real chance that you be told.

just done some reading up on this and you have no legal obligation to any children born from donations and are protected by law. So presumably you cannot have contact forced upon you? They may be allowed your details but have no right to meet you?

Although I wouldn't do it some could be tempted not to update their details - I presume they cant force you to do this?

Well by law you have to register your details when you donate eggs and up date them with every move, so basically your children don't marry in years to come.
The downside is that the person resulting from donated eggs can request your address and be given it (but not the other way around), whilst you wouldn't just get a knock at the door you could get a letter saying Miss/Mr x has requested your address and maybe in touch and there's nothing you can do about it.
No wonder donations have plummeted.
I would not like it if somebody had been abused or had an awful life and then arrived on my doorstep expecting me to put it right or help in someway, but i'd feel I had to so I'm not going there.

why can that happen!? I didnt realise that was the case - I had planned on egg sharing! Oh bolleaux

So it's not all bad then Pinkmook ;-)
Have told DH he'd better get the bloody job, no pressure then !
I'm not going to do the egg sharing unless it's somebody I know I can't bear the thought of a knock at the door in 18 years with an unhappy person wanting me to be mum to them so I'd rather know where all my eggs (babies) are and looked after. But of course that now adds £2k to the bill

Cn I just say I have MASSIVE clomid boobs grin

just been round at my friends and she screeched "oh my god look at your beebs!" when I took off the scarf I was wearing LOL! I'm not pg as temps have been dropping but its fun having big knockers lol!

Oh no sorrento, how frustrating !!! Yes, I have been feeling movement ( bubbling )since around 14 weeks but getting stronger now and starting to feel little kicks during the day occasionally.

Pink, don't say that. I've got ages left yet and I'm sure you're going to get a BFP soon ! But I agree, the time does seem to be flying which has suprised me loads.

Sorrento - oh no! One step forward and all that how frustrating.

Linz - God you'll have had another before I even get pregnant! LOL! Its going so fast !

Terrier - are you there? we miss you xxxxx

Oh wow, Linzi I am so excited for you, can you feel any movement yet ?
DH has been offered a job interview for 2 days after his surgery and now wants to put surgery back to MArch, where's the sobbing smiling

hi all, hope everything goes well for you at the consultatns pink. Congrats Sorrento, seems like your well on your way, will keep everything crossed for you.

Pink, things are fine thanks. Have a scan in 3 weeks to find out the sex of the baby smile

can't believe how fast it's going. I'm 18 weeks already !!

I noticed Terrier hasn;t been on lately..Hope things are ok x

Yeah that would be fine with me grin

!! I know what you mean about the assised conception threads...I try not to look at them at this stage as they get me really depressed. Maybe when I'm further into all this they will be a source of help and comfort but right now they just too depressing for words. Whoever would have believed this could all be happening eh! I certainly never imagined it would be this hard to get pregnant again.

I know how you feel hun, I cannot imagine it being real either in all honesty, I keep reading the assisted threads with all the self injecting and hopes being built up and cannot believe it'll ever amount to an actual baby.
as you know my fortune teller said it wouldn't happen so if theyare both wrong and we get a single baby each that would be ok wouldn't it ? grin

Twins! I am finding it hard to believe I will ever get pregnant ever again to be honest sad

although DH's dad is a twin and my grandmother is a twin, and a fortune teller told me I'd have twins when I tried to concieve agian after my first child!

But I just cant beleive I'll ever get Pg. Ive not even had so much as as chemical pregnancy since the vasectomy was reversed in july 07!!!

Please keep me informed and what its all like as it'll be me soon!

xx

Still a long way off the two bluesline

They need to get his sperm out next week, take further blood tests from me on 30th and then start me on the drugs to stimulate my ovaries. Once they've collected the eggs, it's still another 6-8 weeks before they go back in to cook.
Am hoping it/they can be in for June, I have decide how many to implant too which is a nightmare.
you might have twins with clomid, I've known that happen to two people, imagine grin

Hey sorrento (aka katie grin

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Wow things have moved on for you! I have an app for 27th Jan but am currently on clomid as a kind of oh well it might work give it a go thing!

How exciting for you!!! When do you go in then?

xxxx

Sneaks in, it's me Katiedd [waves]
Dh has just had his pre op consultation ie paid for the sperm aspiration and he's all set for next Monday.
I had such cold feet today, nearly backed out of the whole thing, I know I sound like a brat but I do not want to have to go through this I really don't.
I am so disorganised i'm terrifed i'll forget to do something vital and we'll end up with no baby because i couldn't get my arse into gear.

Hi Welsh, goin OK. Got an appointment for private fertility consultant on 27th January so thats something I spose. How are you going on? xx

p.s apologises for the xmas name still blush

will get round to changing it but for now, I am far too lazy !!

hi all, hope everyone is keeping ok xx Thread has been a bit quiet these last few weeks so thought I'd drop a line.

Hows everyone getting on ?

Hi Terrier, That's exactly how I feel..totally irrational! Isn't is crap how one quick operation can cause so much worry and upset when peoples life's change. I guess we're all just keeping our fingers crossed for little miracles. Since I first met my husband I've gone from not being sure I wanted a family to not being able to think about anything else...I even have the nursery planned (talk about obsession)! A woman I work with is pregnant at the moment and is less than chuffed at what she calls 'her little accident' I have to bite my tongue to stop myself shouting at her and telling her how lucky she is! I now just avoid her like the plague envy

Hi lucielucie and welcome to the rollacoaster ride that is "vasectomy reversal"! xx

I found you all!

Thanks Terrier and wish u good luck for the results, we will be in the same boat as you very soon.

x

Hi scotslass - just wanted to say I know how you feel too - so frustrated! I get really upset and irrational and just feel like it will take a miracle!

He had a test 3 months after the reversal which showed that it had worked and he had a high sperm count, but they were a bit lazy and swimming in circles...like typical men! We haven't had one since then but if they're free from the gp then I might suggest he goes and has another one done if we've still not made any progress in the next couple of months. It's just so frustrating!

I wouldn't worry too much about your boyfriends results as our surgeon said the same as yours that it could take up to 12 months for things to start working as before. Our surgeon also recommended not to have the first test done before 3 months as it takes around 3 months for everything to have settled down so maybe have another test done in a couple of months time. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you both.

hi scotslass

I know how you feel, every time i see a pregnant woman i feel gutted its not me. You say you have been trying for 6 months but it doesnt sound as though your hubby has had a sperm test. they are frre if you go to your local doctors and ask for one. my boyfriend had his reversal 2 months ago and his first semen test came back negative but he is still healing so am not giving up on it just yet. Hope this helps.

Hi all, I've just come across this forum while trawling the net looking for some help and advice on trying to conceive after my hubby's reversal. He's been married before and had a vasectomy when he was 29 and his youngest was under 12 months old. He had his reversal a year and a half ago and we've been trying for around 6 months as the consultant said it would take around 12 months to get back to normal....still no luck

I've read loads of websites that say not to worry until you've been trying for at least 12 months but I guess I'm just a bit impatient.....and there seems to be babies everywhere I look! My husband keeps telling me to stop worrying about it so much and just relax...any advise on how to do this would be much appreciated as all I can focus on is how much I would love to get pregnant for both me and my other half!

sorry havent been in touch lately.
My boyfriend went to the docs yesterday to discuss results but all he said was he has no expertise and to speak to the consultant who did the op. Will try and get him to do this soon. It might not be a total failure as op was only 2 months ago and have heard can take up to 12 months for sperm to return. Might be clutching at straws but i think thats what we all do.

hope everyone else having more luck and terrier men do tend to get scared of being a dissapointment and find it hard to perform under pressure just let him come to you and try bot to let on or tell him you ov just before your af that might fool him.

ah well at least he's randy some of the time! I didn't think you'd be able to do the stopping for a couple of months thing [fgrin] I can very easily remeber how I felt half way into all this (about 9 months ago!) and stopping for 2 months wouldn't have been an option! Its funny but it doesn't seem too hard a thought now...I guess thats good, shows I am moving on a bit and coming to terms with the worst! xx

Dont know why thats on there twice!

Wheres purple?? Hope shes okay xx

Thanks for your support girls - it has really helped cheer me up!

Pink - I know you are feeling quite down about the whole ttc thing, but try to stay positive about the clomid - its definately worth a shot - does sound rather awful though. I can totally understand the time limit thing too and think you are very sensible as it could end up destroying your life if you let it dominate everything forever. I would get a dog anyway though - dont wait - I find my puppy takes up so much of my time and "motherly love!" that it takes my mind off the ttc for much of the day. Im also getting lots of exercise from walking her for 2 hrs a day (have lost a stone since getting her!).
As for the advice you gave me about forgetting about ttc for 2mths - its not gonna happen - cant forget for a day! Though Im less obsessed than in the begining. Dh has returned almost to his usual randy self as he thinks hes in the clear for this month. Probably is anyway as I ov'd on Sat.

Sunshine - chase that clinic!! Surely they cant be THAT busy - make a nuisance of yourself!

Hi terrier - I have been through very similar times with DH and I got very depressed but then all the other stuff happened with him getting made redundant and it kind of got forgotten about and seems to be ok (fingers crossed!) at the moment. I think this has to be one of the hardest things Ive ever been through and I am guessing you feel similar! Theres no easy answers to any of it I dont think. The only thing I could suggest is completely forgetting about TTC for say, 2 months??? Could you do that?

Well I am suffering the worst headaches ever whilst tking clomid sad

I dont htink it'll work, why would it? But I guess I have to at least give it a shot. DH and I have decided we must now put a time limit on TTC. I really thought i was pregnant this cycle just gone and was really devastated when af came and I just cant go through this indefinitley. In fact I am pretty sure its probably not going to hppen but I will do everything possible before we give up (i.e IUI/IVF) We have decided on no more than 2 years from now - probably more likely 18 months. Then I am going to get a dog instead!! Sounds stupid but it helps me cope.

I'm sorry terrier this is happening to you. Maybe hubby is reluctant to get a sperm test done in case it confirms his fears of having a low/no sperm count and is worried it will hurt u to much by getting this result? as for bd maybe a week or to rest then try again. lots of positive thoughts and baby dust sent your way

dh vr op is on the 3 march and yes I agree it seems a long wait for a private clinic. dh has been offered a reversal on the nhs just before Christmas but it could take anything from 6-12 months for the op appointment to come through and they dont do the micro surgery. I did a silly thing on ebay to day and got a £5 psychic reading done. she told me she could see no children for me especially over the next 12 months.
not something I would normally do and I have learnt my lesson wont be doing it again, still left me felling a bit flat though.

sorry about the long waffle.

Hi girls, hope you all had a good xmas and new year!

Sunshine - sorry i've not kept up with where everyones at - what are you getting done in March? Is it the VR? If so then March does seem an awfully long time to wait for a private op - think I would be chasing it! Or are you having other tests? Sorry i've just lost track of everyone (how rude of me!)

Well its official ladies - i am well and truly,never ever in a million years gonna get a BFP cos even if the VR has worked (which by the way we STILL dont know cos DH hasnt bothered to have his sperm tests!!), I will never ever get pregnant because you have to have SEX for that to happen!!
Why is it that dh is a randy old goat for the rest of the month, but when it counts, he cant, or cant be bothered (Have experienced both this month!)to perform the necessary!
I have tried not letting him know when Im due to ov - but he seems to know.
We have been down the "do you really want a baby?", "Well do you think I would've gone through the op!" route of arguing, I've cried, I've tried all the tricks of seduction I can possibly dream up (I mean REALLY pushed the boat out!), but he cant (sometimes), or wont (other times!) do the business!
Can you tell im just a little bit pissed off at the moment?!

Sorry girls - rant over!

Hows everyone else bearing up? xx

Hi pink hope you had a good Christmas and new year.

I'm driving dh mad talking about having another baby! ( and baby names) I have even asked him to ring the clinic to see if there are any cancellations he just laughs at me being so inpatient. March seems so long to wait. smile

hello (echoes) where is everyone??????? grin

why did the second half of my "very" in "very unlikely" end up there!!!?

Glad you're feeling a bit more optimistic purpledazzle - its a bumpy ride isn't it? grin

Well girls, I went bck to see the consultant today and after I rang up and complained about the horrible guy who I saw last time who shouted at me and they promised not to book me in with him again....guess who walked in when I went for my app!? Yep the horrible doctor I asked not to see again! I can only guess the consultant I did want to see was off for some reason and Ive ended up with him, but it scuppered any chance of getting the questions anwered he wouldn't/couldn't answer last time so I had to make do with getting him to do me a referral letter to private clinic for the next stage...IVF...scary! He also gave me clomid so I'll give that a go and see how mental I can make my hormones (s if they need making any worse LOL) grin

He lso said DH's anti sperm anti bodies were f9ine i.e there were none - which frankly I dfind very hrd to believe as whats the explanation for the poor morhpology/motility if not antisperm antibodies (and apparently 70% of men with vasectomy reversals have anttisperm antibodies) so it seems ve

Any way hows everyone else?ry unlikely. But I guess I'll have to wait til my appointment with a private consultant in order to get some proper answers hmm

He was so annoying this consultant - when I asked for a copy of DH's latest sperm test results he refused to give them to me so I asked him stright - why not and he wouldn't answer just kept shaking his head and sying "no, no,no,no no" arrrrgghh! So I said well Mr Abdo (the first - and nice - consultnt I saw let me have a copy. Then he said OK then I'll let you write them down - and read them to me shock

thanks for that i need to stay optimistic and not get down about it. have given my boyfriend his marching orders about speaking to the doctor. i know gp's can be rubbish and not know a lot so i have advised him to speak to the consultant aswell. hopefully they can recommend something. I will also do a bit more internet research about it. hope everyone else ok and feeling relaxed after christmas. it goes so quick all that preparation and one day and its over. think i will get vouchers for everyone next year as have been in the shops today and all half price. typical!!!

hi purpledazzle, so sorry to hear your news. I used to find a site called ask doctor on vasectomy reversal really helpful. Just type that into google and it should come up. He answers a lot of questions on low / negative sperm counts etc.. and I found most of my answers through that rather than our own consultant ( who was a waste of time ! )

One thing I think he does suggest is if you have had the results done before the 6 month mark, you may be able to improve the swelling of the vas tubes by taking anti inflammatory drugs but PLEASE check it out first to make sure I'm remembering correctly !!

Just remember it's still really early days and we were told by our consultant that some people can get a negative count at 3 months but then go on to have something at 6 months so try and stay positive xx

Hi Purpledazzle - you must feel devastated but I am pretty sure that t can go from zero to ok. It is something to do with the swelling of the vas following the op which can take a good long time to go down sometimes. My Dh's 1st sperm test at 3 months was about 4.5 mil/ml (i know more than zero) but his subsequent ones were about 11mil/ml at 6 months ish then 15.7 at about 12 months. We are hoping it will increase again.

I do know you have to wait anything from 12 months to 2 years (I think depending on the consultant) to have the op declared a failure - which tells you it can take time sometiimes.

HTH

have just had some really bad news today is three months since my boyfriends reversal and the sperm test came back negative. am completely disheartened and have no idea what to do. ivf is so expensive and would take forever to save up for meanwhile is it possible to have a negative then a positive? i hope so.

Dont worry welsh - I know you wouldnt not put it here on purpose grin

I guess I am clutching at straws as Terrier says!

I also feel much friskier earlier in my cycle but my temp only goes up after about day 15/16/17 so I guess I must be ovulating later on - its so confuing sad

I am not sure me or DH could manage every other day throughout the cycle as DH is working 10 hour days sotimes 7 days a week as his new job is so poorly paid we have to. sad

Terrier - the IVF will cost approx £5000 becuase if you have sperm issues you have to have ICSI as well as IVF. Although we may see if we can try a couple of goes at IUI first which is about £500-900 a go.

PLease keep posting here linz, we may be jealous (well i am grin

)but you are our beacon of hope smile

Thanks Marge thats a lovely story to keep our spirits up! I know its still classed as early days for us (8mths since op) but cant help feeling it would have happened by now if it had worked sad

welsh - you know we'll try anything on this thread - clutch at any straws!! Just keep updating us on how your getting on, and pass on any snippets of advice from others on the "pregnancy" board!

Have a lovely xmas everyone XX

My DH's worked within 26 days!! He had had vasectomy 10 years previously. I was 36 he was 44 we were told that with our ages and the long time between vasectomy and reversal that we only had someting like 30% chance of successs. Weren't we pleased when 26 days later I was preggers??. We have two boys now grin

...and he has had another vasectomy. He's a brave boy!! wink

Hi girls, really sorry for posting on there and not on here aswell blush

. I knew you did the temp charting etc.. so thought it wouldn't be of any help x

Pink, I never charted my temps so can't tell you if they went back up later in my cycle, sorry. I just went off what FF was telling me basically based on the length of my cycle and when I thought I was having CM.

I just happened to notice that straight after AF finished I had EWCM ( more than when I technically should have been having around CD14 ) and ahem... I was always slightly more frisky around this time too blush

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It was only at the dating scan that I worked the dates backwards and figured out it matched exactly with the EWCM around CD 8 so we were well missing the fertile slot every month. That must have been why I got a BFP a week before AF was even due !!

Hope this helps xx You know I definately would have posted on here if I thought it would have been any use to you girls but if I think of anything else I will always post on this one x

Pink - I only noticed welsh's post cos im really nosy and read a thread I know one of my best friends is on (she does know this btw!), and happened to spot Welsh's post there. I dont read those ttc threads anymore either - I did join a few in the begining but god it gets so depressing!
Am very interested in what welsh said though, because despite all the charting etc we may actually be completely missing our chances (there is also a thread on here where someone conceived really late in cycle too!). This month dh and I have agreed to just cover all bases, Im gonna try for every other day and hope for the best.
Can I be really cheeky and ask how much the IVF will cost please? I'd really like to look into it but dh is dead against because he says its too traumatic, the more info im armed with the better I can sell the idea to him - saying that I cant imagine where the money would come from!!

Welsh - just read the post terrier referred to about early OV (any more advice like that please please post on here as I dont read TTC threads - find it too depressing being the only one left on there with no BFP every month! and wouldnt have seen this valuable info without terrier pointing it out grin

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Can I ask you a Q about that. I often get EWCM at the same time as you mention (days 8 and 9 this cycle) but am assuming I still on ov later on as my temp doesn't go up til day 16 or so. Did your temp only go up at day 15 (based on FF prediciting ov day 14) or did it go up at day 9??????

please please notice this and answer Am really really intrigued and worried about this grin

Hope you doing OK btw grin

Welsh - just read your post on another thread about your early ov!! I think my dh is gonna be worn out next month!! xx

Sorry girls - no xmas announcment from me sad

- spiteful AF arrived yesterday - nasty witch angry

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Was really hoping for an extra special xmas pressie but I guess it wasnt to be - never mind i ought to be used to it by now.

Pink - dont give up hope, and I agree what a lovely hope story - just what we need to keep our spirits up over Xmas - talking of spirits - as we have no reason to abstain - would you care to join me in a virtual xmas drink?? Mines a large one!

Thanks Sofia (what a beautiful name BTW) I love a good hope story grin

Hi Ladies....just to give you all hope. My dh had a vasectomy reversal (it has been renamed in our house as a resurectomy). It was done on the NHS. (I got an early appointment by calling up every week and inquiring about cancellations and finally they got so sick of me that they gave him a much earlier appointment). Afterward the surgery, at the first sperm check, he was told that he had a few non-motile sperm. And then on the second check he was told that there were no sperm at all and that the reversal had been a failure. We were all set to try another reversal privately while doing IVF at the same time. BUT, before we had a chance I got pregnant (on our honeymoon) and a year later got pregnant again. After getting pregnant, I went back to the surgeon and asked why he had told us it was a failure when it wasn't and he said that sometimes the vas swells after surgery and closes up and then over time opens up again (don't know why he didn't share that possibility with us in the first place). Anyway....best of luck to all of you....hope our story gives you hope.

yes terrier any news?

I have worked out that almost to the day - this time 7.9 years ago I conceived my DS sad

God how I wish it would happen again.

hi all. Terrier, any news on AF ??

Thats fab news "Christmas"! AF due today for me but Im very doubtful of getting a BFP cos dh was very poorly with man flu this month so very little BD'ing got done! xx

Congratulations WL that's the best news !

Take care everyone and have a lovely Christmas

Hi Katie, that does not sound fair at all about the consultant. If they knew it would take a certain number of weeks for the results to come through it was up to them to make the appointment at a date to correspond surely. It does sound like an extra way of fleecing money out of you sad

Well, went for scan and the baby is doing great grin

Heart beat nice and srong and was doing somersaults on the screen kicking its arms and legs about. Feel a lot more settled now about things.

Still praying for you all to get your BFPs real soon so we can all go through this together x

Hello
Everyone I need to pick your brains about this please.
I went to see the consultant today about my treatment - £150, now when I get there the first thing he asks for is my bloody tests which I could have done yet because I hadn't had a period, actually am having them done tomorrow.
So he goes through a few things and I'm literally in there 10 mins and then he says I need to book a follow up appointment, another £100 to discuss the blood tests results.
Does this sound a bit unfair as I couldn't have had the results as they take 6 weeks from collection anyway and if he needed them first surely he shouldn't have booked the appointment so quickly DH and I were only there last week.
I kind of get the impression we're going to get milked here, is that other peoples experience.
And the receptionist was a bit sharp when I said I was only in there 10 mins and said that was more than the NHS patients got, well they aren't paying £6k are they.
Honestly I'll be very glad when this is all over.
Looking forward to hearing about the scan Linz, good night all
x

Hi all, I've had to have a slight name change as I was getting paranoid that RL persons might have figured out who I am through the name x

Hope everyone is well. Got nothing to report but wanted to check in. Pink, get the booze down you over xmas and enjoy yourself grin

Will drop in tomorrow with an update on my scan. Aaaarrrghhhh!!! Very scared today x

Love it, at least we can still laugh grin

ha ha! an xmas typo "elf destruct" LOL! Obv I meant self destruct grin

Purpledazzle- welcome to the thread no one wants to be a member of! I will have evrything crossed for you.

KatieDD - you sound as bad as me. I have spent a small fortune of vitmains, supplments and organic food trying to up our odds ( none of its done fuck all but at least you feel like you are actually doing something while waiting grin

I dont know about you lot but I for one am sacking off the healthy eating and no booze and getting really pissed this xams grin

excuse my swearing but I have just been to visit a colleague today with her 6 week old beautiful baby girl and I could sob for hours wishing it was me, so am an a elf destruct this xmas...cheers ladies grin

Hi everyone,
just checking in to see how you all are!

Hope all goes well with the scan Thurs linz.

And girls Im in the "ancient" 33 year old gang too so lets hope its a lucky number!

Its getting busy on this thread now - its hard to keep up with where everyones at (or maybe its just my age!!)

Take care xx

Purple I shall add you to my prayer list and keep everything crossed for you !

It's so hard not to get your hopes up isn't it, but I have heard of one man who went on to have three more after a vasectomy 10 years + so miracles can happen

I suppose it is about time i wrote a message on here as i have been reading the thread for about 3 months now.
My boyfriend has his reversal on 10 october this year and like yourselves hoping for a miracle. a very impressive miracle in my case as i had one of my falopean tubes removed in may.

welshlinz- congrats and you give us all hope that these things do actually work.

I remember the first time i told my mum what we were planning and she just said "you know it doesnt work" which wasnt all that supportive but i think she just doesnt want me to get my hopes up too much. I am 28 so still young but not sure exactly what state my one tube is in and boyfriends initial vasectomy was done over 10 years so I really am praying against all the odds.

Has anybody had acupuncture ? I currently have a basket at Zita West's site full of vitamins, a relaxation CD and i'm considering their telephone counselling service, needless to say DH thinks I've gone mad.

Thank you Babbi, I really appreciate your post, I am getting a bit obsessed with the whole thing now, worrying when I should be relaxing more than ever which is daft isn't it.

Never mind Katie , I was 36 when I fell PG first cycle ICSI with DD ! It can happen quite easily - these (male) consultants are cheeky sods .
Good luck with the scan linz !

hi all,

pink, i'm fine thanks. Was starting to feel much better these last few days but since last night the sickness has come back with a vengeance !! And I've caught Dh's cold so feeling very sorry for myself today grin

Very nervous and excited about Thursdays scan. Just praying theres a little heartbeat there and everything is ok xx

Hope everyone is ok smile

KatieDD you're the same age as me - cheeky bugger! as if 33 is ancient! Call me cynical but I dont trust consultants who are making money out of IVF any more than I trust them who are doing reversals...they all seem to say stupid shit like that to get people grabbing their wallets more readily hmm

Any way nice to see it busy on here. How are you feeling linz?

I'm aiming for May/June for my own weird reasons for the first attempt but DH is having his part done asap to ensure his sperm don't get any older.
Was absolutely gutted when he said we didn't have age on our side, I'm only 33

Hi all, great to see you back Terrier x The threads been busy these last few days. Took a while to read through the posts grin

KatieDD, I'm so pleased that today went well. When will you have your first try ? Crossing everything for you xx

Sunshine, I know exactly how you feel about getting deflated when you came back from seeing the consultant. I somehow expected him to be more positive but found him more or less saying 'you'll be lucky if this works'. The whole experience is a mixture of highs and lows but in my case I've been extremely lucky so far ( fingers crossed ) and I'm so glad we went through with it. Hope all goes well for the op. It will soon come around xx

Katie I'm pleased it went well for you both today grin

Well today went well, Dh has big enough balls apparently, the nicest thing anyones ever said to him {fhmm]
I'm booked in for tests and blood tests next week.
The consultant wasn't at all concerned we were going straight for IVF, thought it was a good plan, so that was a relief.

wonders if very hot 25 year old's are available in nhs fertility clinics grin

Oh trust me, my friends very hot 25 year old son said if he can't get you pregnant I'll have a go. It took me a good minute to remember the right answer was no bugger off ;-)

We decided to ttc for six months more, hoping that his little guys will sort themselves out, and then if nothing has happened we'll look at assisted conception

It's ironic because having a sprog was his idea, not mine; but once I started envisioning it all, really imagining having a child, I got really into it as well. He already has two from his previous marriage and they decided they had enough (she had three from her first marriage as well) so he got snipped, though at the time he wasn't completely sure, he says now. Two years later she got pg by the neighbour anyway... she then left the marriage, so my partner now completely supports her and her SIX children, and I can't even have one without all these problems. Ah well. Life is funny I guess.

I'm kind of like, hmmm, maybe I'll check out that neighbour myself.... wink

My honey is enthusiastically taking zinc to get the little guys going, but I don't think he could deal with cutting out coffee!

sunshine - I agree with pink - my dh was told exactly the same thing about the one side being botched and all that. We've been trying for almost 8 mths now and Im starting to get quite miserable about it.
Think maybe katies got the right idea going straight for IVF - unfortunately the pot of money has run dry in our house so if the reversal doesnt eventually do the trick then we are out of the game (unless I win the lottery of course!)
Anyway thats not to say that you wouldnt be as lucky as our welshlinz and get pregnant really early on.
Anyway, Im convinced that both myself and pink will be announcing pregnancies very soon as it bound to be our turns now, we've waited long enough!

Sunshine, have you thought of going straight for IVF ?

My DH has had a vasectomy but I don't want it reversed mainly because I know I only want the one baby and therefore would have to have him snipped again afterwards but also because I couldn't bear the waiting every month wondering if it'll happen.
I'm going to have 2 goes, costing £4k (hoping it works first time of course) and that'll be my lot, but if the tubes have been damaged, sucking it out at source might be a better option for you too.

Thanks Pinkmook.
I suppose it really comes down to how good his swimmers are at the end of all this hmm

no point worrying about any of it just yet.

its funny sunshine, nearly everyone I have spoken to about vas reversals has been told the same thing - "one side is really badly damaged" you do start to wonder if they all say it a s a bit of an insurance policy hmm

TTry not to get too down hearted about it. xx

Hi back from Hartlepool. Dr Dawson was very nice, but whoever did dh v in the first place made a mess of it sad

left side is probably beyond repair but he was going to try something (cant remember what) in order to reduce the pain dh gets on that side at times, but cant give any guarantees it will work properly as far as getting pregnant. The right side is not to bad and said he hopes to have a 80percent success on that side. Feeling a bit deflated about the hole baby thing now, he goes in on the 3 March for op.

hey terrier its great to have you back - must admit I was a bit scared after I posted my honest thoughts that everyone would be horrified and think me an evil hag grin

Glad its not just me that broke down and sobbed about the news (you can imagine DH's face "what, so a person off the internet you've never met got pregnant....oh erm ok")It gutted me cause I thought I have been waiting the longest, I'm very british I guess and have some kind of mental queue system going on that clearly DH's tubes/sperm are not obeying grin

LOL! But seriously I dont resent your pg just wish it was me.

KatieDD glad the kick up the bum helped!

shm - yours sounds similar to mine

anyhow, keep in touch girls xx

Hi everyone

For sunshine, and anyone else who arrives here for advice about vasectomy reversal...My partner has his reversal at Gatwick Park hospital, it is a Spire place and the doctor was Michael Swinn. It was a microsurgery, and the doctor said one side worked fine but the other had been cut too close(or summat) so he wasn't sure about that one. I'm not sure what it cost. We weren't able to get it on the nhs - I suppose because he has two children from his sociopath of an ex...

That was back in May. Since then, he has given two samples; one in the summer that showed something like 20% motility and 10% normal forms. The second sample from early November was 30% motility but only 2% normal forms

I don't know why they are getting worse! He had had the snip about seven years before getting the reversal.

Anyway, we were satisfied with the hospital and treatment; my partner had no complaints, and I would recommend them, despite the disappointing outcome so far.

Hi girls, well Im officially back with you - having finally bothered to fix our internet connection after all this time - and I have to say I really have missed you guys - corny i know - but I do find it a source of really good support and advice.

Where do I start??

Linz - please let us know how you get on with the scan - we want to experience it all with you (hold your hand in a virtual kind of way!). I have to admit after reading Pinks honest reaction to your news i echo what she felt - I was so jealous I cried uncontrollably all day - but thats just my general raection to news of anybodys pregnancy lately, and I am genuinely absolutely thrilled for you, and want regular updates xx
Also my ex dh has just announced to our kids that his new wife is pregnant AGAIN (the baby is only 8mths for christ sake) - you can imagine how I felt hearing that news!

Pink - I shut facebook down cos I thought people would think I was rude not replying to their messages - but now Im back online I might set it back up. Hope all is well with you, I imagine you are fed up with the agonising wait for appointments!

Katie - hope you are well and that all goes well with the appointment - good luck xx

Sunshine - Hi! Hope your appointment goes well, keep us updated!

Hope I havent forgotten anyone! Love to all xx

Thanks pink, I need a kick up the backside.

you're bound to feel apprehensive, it is a massive thing after all - but imagine if you dont go throufh with the app on wednesday ....soon enough all the feelings of wanting a baby will surface again. Just do it, you'll be fine grin

Am very excited and nervous for you! I cant even get to see my consultant til February then he will refer me arrggghhh the waiting is killing me x

We have an appointment on Wednesday, am terrified and suddenly have very cold feet again.

That's kind of how I feel, I'll already have a 6 year gap if the baby was conceived tonight so am not hanging around, MIL will go mental though grin

i'll be damned if it works and damned if it doesn't. Just trying to stay cool about the whole thing.

Keep in touch girls it sounds like things are heading in the right direction for all of us !

Hi KateDD - yes I am still going ahead despite everything (as long as we have some money anyway) This is a rest of my life decision and hopefully lack of funds will be temporary. I cant afford to wait (approching 35) so Fuck it! Even if it fails at least I will know I did all I could to try.

Linz I want a full report of the scan grin

and I'm sure it will all be fine smile

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Sunshine, fab let us know how it goes grin

Terrier - where are yooooooouuuuuuuu?

Hi dh has booked himself in to see Dr Dawson on Monday shock

so hopefully he will get a date for his vr soon fingers crossed.

Thanks Pink for being so honest, I know you're happy for me and I will definately send a prayer to all of you with loads of baby dust attached xx

KatieDD, you obviously want this so much so I'd try not to worry about your in-laws. I'm sue they won't see you in difficulty if you really need their help. This isn't something you've decided on lightly either as you've been on this thread for many months coming to your decision. Go for it because you may regret it forever otherwise x

Anyway, had a scan date through today for 18th Dec and I'm sooo nervous. Praying everything is going to be ok and trying not to worry too much x

Oh Linz, I am absolutely delighted for you.
Nothing to report here, still waiting on an appointment.
Pink are you still going ahead even with the redundancy ?
I feel so guilty wanting to spend some of the money on this IVF and am so worried that our inlaw's might refuse to help us if we run out of money because we've wasted money on this and maybe created another mouth to feed.
I know we need to be as relaxed as possible and I can't help but feel if he's worried about not having a job and I'm worried about him it might not happen

The timing is rubbish.

Linz - In all honesty of course I am jealous (cant speak for the othes but would imagine there is a tinge of jealousy there maybe less so than me but I have been trying for 18 months or so now) its horiffic how much I want this and I wish so much I was you....but I'm not and its not you fault and I am sure you would wish baby luck on all of us if you could but you cant! And lifes frequently not fair and I guess its just not my time for luck at the moment! There are times when I have a little foot stamping moment and think "its not fair I should be first Ive waited the longest!" But I am an adult and I know thats Sooooo not your fault or problem! I guess its natural for me to feel like that sometimes even though its not really realistic! And its natural for you to feel guilty but you really shouldn't I am genuinely happy for you - your getting pregnant doesn't alter when I get pregnant - I'm still in this shitty position regardless! So dont you worry about it grin

Please dont take my jealousy to mean I "dislike" you or feel in any way negative towards you...I feel negative towards this situation, its not you its this bloody awful unfair predicament. I wish you all the luck in the world I really really do. grin

Just say a little prayer for me smile

And keep us informed how you get along xxxxx

hi all, so sorry to hear about your DH Pink. What a horrible time for this to happen !!

Terrier, sorry your AF has arrived.

KatieDD, any good news to report yet ?

I hope you don't think I'm abandoning the thread x I keep logging in to check on you all but can't help feeling horribly guilty that I've fallen pregnant so soon after the op when I know how long you've all been waiting for this sad

Hi Sunshine day - Yes we went private (NHS rarely do reversals, only if niether of you have children from the present or previous rel) I just found ours by googling a bout the subject of vas reversal and learned that microsurgical reversal better than normal surgery, and went from there. We used Dr Thakur in Hartlepool but I cant say I would reccomend him hmm

HTH

Hi I was wondering were your dh went for there reversal. My other half is going to see a nhs dr on the 19 of dec, but from reading of the Internet nhs don't do them. Did you go private and if so how did you find the clinic you used. (hope nobody minds me asking these questions) blush

Hi terrier, have been busy doing applications for DH (he was made redundant last week - finishes friday) you have disappeared off facebook have you got sick of us grin

hope everyone else is doing OK

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Hi everyone, hope all is well, just checking in on you all!

Hope the sickness passes soon linz and the midwife appointment goes well, good luck with it all!

Sounds promising Katiedd - hope you hear something soon!

Pink - where are you - you have gone quiet?!

Anyway af arrived for me AGAIN yesterday - getting seriously fed up now!

Love to all xx

Well I've been promised the referal letters by the end of the week so that's looking a bit brighter for us, got very excited for a moment when I thought we were going to get seen on the NHS but that didn't last long when the Dr remembered himself, nevermind.
Hope everyones well.

hi terrier, great to see you back x grin

yes it can be done and we are very shocked it happened this quickly as I had convinced myself it hadn't worked.

Everything is still going ok apart from I'm suffering with dreadful sickness throughout the whole day but just keep telling myself it's worth it smile

. I have a midwife appointment a week on Friday so fingers crossed all is well.

Hooray welslinz thats amazing Im so happy for you hun!! It can be done then!!

Well done Welshlinz, I posted very early in this thread but pop back from time to time hoping to see that you all have had some good news .
Fantastic news for you - put your feet up and get some rest while you still can !!
Take care xx

I think for the extra travel I'll stick with the Liverpool one, am hoping under our circumstances that the percentage rates will be much much higher.

Not sure if that link works properly but if you look on it NW fertility services in liverpool has a 28% success rate in under 35's and CARE has a 30% success rate - a small difference I know but I am obsessive!

St mary's is in manchester - apparently its the one they usually send people to but obviously if you're paying for it you can go where you like, thats why I had a little investigation into it all on here: website compare success rates NW UK

We're going to North West Fertility in Liverpool, hopefully they are good, where's St Mary's ?

You are right Katie, I am going to try and just hope DH gets another job soon. We can ring up for the anti sperm anti body tests a week on monday so will be ale to see if IUI might be an option (which is cheaper) Where are you going for your icsi? (i think I remember you saying you are in the north west?) I am thinking of the CARE facility in manchester as Ive heard st mary's is poor.

xx

Pink we're in the same boat my DH finishes on the 21st but you know what, to hell with it.
People have children they can't afford every day, I work for the CAB and see women with a couple of kids already living in a hostel or B&B pregnant again, so I'm afraid my attitude now is sod I am going to be irresponsible too.
I can keep the roof over our heads and things will be very tight but I am going to try and have that baby.
Plus I have been really surprised at the reponse to DH's CV on www.monster.co.uk i thought it would take him a few months to get another job but he's had lots of interest already so I'm damned if i'm going to get any older or wait any longer when they'll probably get jobs really quickly anyway.
I really feel for you, but would say be selfish, just this once and put you first.

I would donate eggs. But it looks like we wont be doing anything as DH has been told he will probably be made redundant in the next few weeks. all my plans for IUI etc now up the swannee. Feel like locking the door and never going out again

Oh Welshlinz I am sooooo happy for you, that is fantastic news.
Pink, don't know if you'd consider this but I have been told I can save £2k by donating eggs. Not sure how I feel about it, especially if somebody else got a baby using my eggs and I didn't but thought I'd mention in case that would help you at all.
We are going for the ICSI next month so am on a health kick and have banned all sorts from the house, merry bleedin Christmas lol

yes I was wondering that too.

Terrier, where are you ????

Its the IVF/ICSI thats 5K a go I think IUI is less, but wont be able to have that if there are anti sperm antibodies present sad

Any way, we have made enquiries for DH to have accupuncture to see if that can make any difference to the results.

I wonder where Terrier is?

hi, pink that consultant sounds horrible. It makes all the difference having somebody nice you can actually ask questions to instead of being barked at !! Hopefully you won't get him again. sad

The consultant we saw after DH's op was a bit like that. Wasn't interested one bit and said 'give it a go first but remember I'm here if you decide you want IVF' Didn't feel I could ask anything as it was obvious he was not interested !!

Had no idea IUI was so expensive ! When would you consider trying that ?

think I am on about 2dpo but not got my crosshairs on FF yet - am doing OK. saw the consultant monday (not the same we saw originally unfortunately) and he was HORRIBLE really abrupt, kept offering me clomid in the same breath as telling my blood tests showed I was ovulating and that didn't really need it hmm

DH's sperm test results still below the WHO guidelines (but have gone up a bit from 11.3mil/ml to 15.7 mil/ml) but we are waiting on anti sperm antibody results and to be honest I think this is the problem as motility and morphology were both still really poor despite an increase in count sad

When we get the ASA tests back if antibodies are not too bad we are going to go for IUI if its really bad anitbodies then its IVF/ICSI but god only knows how we will afford it at 5K a go sad

just wish things hadn't had to come to this.

Any way I will keep my fingers crossed everything goes well for you although I have no dubt it will, please send us lots of baby luck grin

thanks pink, everything is going fine so far. Got a midwife appointment next week which feels so strange ! Did another test a couple of days ago just to check it wasn't my imagination and I got a nice dark line so fingers crossed it's going to stick smile

I just wish so much that you girls all get your BFPs soon xx How are you getting on this cycle pink ?

hope its all going well Linz x

thanks shm, well you know how bad my DH's sperm results were so I think thats another reason we're so shocked it's happened this quickly.

Am booked in to see a midwife next Thurs so fingers crossed everything will be well. I want this so much grin

Really pleased for you linz! Hope it all goes well - do share the experience with us! I've got a HyCoSy scheduled for Wednesday 5th November and have to take something called northisterone (sp?) to bring on a bleed before then. DP and I already arranged to take his kids on a cruise next week for half term, so I will be all crampy and bleedy the whole time - GREAT TIMING.

But decided to go ahead with it as I need to get things moving along... I turned 39 ten days ago

DP did another sample about a month ago but we haven't found out the results, so no idea if his little wigglies are getting better or not.

I will shower this entire thread with loads and loads of baby dust and am just praying now that this is a sticky little bean for me and DH xx

I am still in denial and convincing myself the tests must be wrong and have picked up on some hormone that is causing a false positive. Am going to see the doc this morning about my recurring thrush so will see if she can put my mind at rest a bit !!

aw linz I am so pleased for you thats fantastic! Please send some baby luck my way! xxxxxx

hi all, great to hear from you terrier x

Sorry your consultant was rubbish pink. How annoying that they didn't even have your DH's sperm results !!

Well......I have some news. My AF is due on Saturday but I decided to test today anyway as I've been feeling really sick with sore boobs and I got a .........BFP !!!!!!!!

Did 3 tests in total but got a definate pregnant with the clear blue digital which estimates I'm 1-2 weeks past conception which makes me not yet 4 weeks pregnant.

Not getting excited yet as I know it's incredibly early ( and to be honest didn't think I'd get a postive 6 days before AF ) but couldn't wait to tell you girls.

Whatever happens now at least we know that the op was obviously a success and I'm amazed we've conceived in 3 months !!!!

Hello ladies - saw a different consultant tonight who was horrible! I wont bore you with the details but lets just say he had 0 bedside manner!

Basically he said my tests seem to show everything is fine - blood tests show ovulation, scan showed tubes open etc. However, DH's further sperm test results were STILL not back hmm

so have to ring up again in 2-3 weeks. So am still in limbo and no closer to any real understanding and/or plan for the future ...arrrggghhh!

Feel ready to just say "sod it" and start spending money on enjoying ourselves with a holiday rather keep thinking I need to save it for IVF! But not quite there yet!

Hope you guys are all OK xx

Hey grils, nothing to report hear. Ive just been reading all your threads and catching up. Hope everyones well. Big hugs xx

Hello marie my DH had microsurgery - not sure about the others?

can I ask if your Dh had micro surgery or the older way?

hiya girls, hope everyone is ok. No wonder you're excited pink about seeing the consultant. Sounds like you're going to get loads of info on how things are progressing and different avenues etc.. Hope you get loads of good news xx

Still not much to report yet. Sore boobs, feeling major sick but nothing that I don't have every month so not holding out much hope really.

hello lurky! When is your hycosy shm? Its true, not a lot happens for us on this thread and there are not many of us to keep it moving but as long as we all check back in now and again I feel it helps - talking to people withvery similar "ishoos" certainly helps me anyway!

[lurk] I am still waiting to get a hycosy thingie...dp has given another sample but no results yet. So not posting because nothing's happening!

We should get the feedback from the tests and scans we have had so far and also maybe a referral for DH to a urologist?? [hopeful emoticon] I have decided I will enquire about IUI/IVF and where we go from here with regards to what we can get on NHS etc. Scared but excited! How are you?

ooh thats great news pink. What will you find out from this consultation ? Is it more fertility tests or have you decided to try IVF ?

Hiya linz - I am always kurking about here! Good luck for this month grin

I see the consultant again on Monday - cant wait! xx

hello guys... anyone still lurking round on this thread ??

hope all is well with everybody. Just thought I'd check in and keep the thread going. Not much to report really. Still a week and a bit to go before my AF due so no doubt will be back on again soon doing my usual phantom symptom spotting grin

I think you'll never be able to rest if you dont at least give it a try despite what fortune tellers may say. I wish you the absolute best luck in the whole world, I really do. Send some luck my way!

xxxx

It's £5k in total. So I'm thinking use his £5k for one go, shhut up about it then save another £5k if it doesn't work and have one more go, then that really will be it.
The trouble is every fortune teller I've ever seen tells me I have three and I don't know if I'm mad to believe them or if they are trying to save me from myself

LOL at the knitting grin

So its 5K with the sperm aspiration or is that extra on top? I am trying to price things up you see grin

How exciting! so we may have some news on this thread soon! Keep us posted.

Ah thank you.
It's a long story but Dh is about to be made redundant in November and has several jobs in the pipeline so am not worried (well yet) but basically if he gets a job quickly I get the go at IVF, if we have to live on his redundancy money for a bit then I don't.
So I am trying not to get excited, but obviously am almost knitting grin

and doing lots of research but not booking.
By all accounts in our situation where there would be no fertility issues if it wasn't for the vasectomy angry

then it should happen first time. It's £5k hence why I only get one go.
But I have promised I'll shut up forever if the timing doesn't work out, May 2009 is the latest, (well Jan 2010 really) so I have everything crossed, god knows we're due some luck.

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