The Clomid Crew - Part 2

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goldengirl71 Tue 20-Nov-12 14:33:17

"Come on, ovaries! Let's get this party started, yeah?!"

mumalah Thu 22-Nov-12 22:20:34

AAh Thanks Summer, thats great info, I think I need to ask for the HCG as im not ovulating but producing follicles. im going tomorrow for a scan and bloods so I will ask.
Hi *Minnieheehee, I am on my 2nd round of clomid, and my scans have been day 10 to see if any follicles are present and day 21 to see if any eggs have been released. My 1st round I experienced alot of cramping hot flushes, especially during the night, dizzyness and a few spots, this month - nothing ! I have read headaches can be among the side-effects. I hope this helps !

Meluv Fri 23-Nov-12 08:02:48

Welcome Minnie you are on a great forum hear all us girls are lovely and all hear for each other as for your scans luv I had mine cd 12 we are all around the same time ish give or take a few days are you being monitored Hun with scans an bloods ? some girls on hear are not being monitored this forum is great though for info and tips .... Your head aches are prob a side affect Hun as there are quite a few different ones I did suffer a couple of headaches if yours are very bad though Hun and don't ease up please consult your fertility nurse or gp who ever is giving you them and let them no about this ... What dosage are you on and do let us all no a bit of your history ..... I am 34 with 1 ds been ttc for 8 years and just got help been on 1 cycle of clomid 50mg They have now found a cyst on my right ovary so I have to have a break this month y they monitor it my problem is I do have regular ish cycles but longs ones 34 days but I don't ovulate every months clomid did make me ovulate last cycle which I was made up with but my af arrived 3 days ago hope all this helps big hugs an welcome x

goldengirl71 Fri 23-Nov-12 10:44:19

Mumalah, please put your foot down tomorrow and dress in a leisurely fashion. Write down any questions you have so you don't forget to ask when you're there - intimidating places/staff play havoc on memory. You pay tax and national insurance, right? This means you are entitled to the very best the NHS has to offer in terms of time, resources, sympathetic and patient staff and answers to all your questions. I've said this before and I will say it again: consultants are paid a huge amount of money to carry out their job. So far, we've simply had Clomid chucked at us, right? We are not wasting anyone's time. Please be assertive and good luck tomorrrow thanks

Summer, thanks for your advice. I am bamboozled this morning as my chart shows pretty rubbish temperatures in terms of ovulation having taken place (if indeed it has). The HCG shot guarantees ovulation, right? Maybe not confused I am going by the 3 over 6 theory which fertility friend use ie. the first three temps after ovulation need to be higher than the previous six. Well..mine are lower than 2 of the previous six hmm

Welcome, Miniheehee, how old are you? I know from the other thread you had a baby at 40 - fantastic! I can only echo what the others have told you about scans; they are to check follicles are developing under the power of the Clomid and then a further blood test checks whether ovulation actually took place. Without these resources I am afraid you really are in the dark unless you chart your temperatures. What are your plans if Clomid doesn't do the trick (what were your exact blood/FSH scores, by-the-way?) Will you be considering IVF? I wish you much luck. Try not to fret about the side effects - no pain, no gain, right? wink

I have decided to do diddly-squat today in terms of work. I am sick of reading 'high-brow' manuscripts that looklike they've been written by twelve year-olds. Yes, I maybe should have become a writer but no-one would believe my life story (it is seriously bizarre and pornographic) and I have become too jaded to escape into fantasy or fiction sad So...I am going to return to the town where DP and I had our cinema date a week ago Sunday and change my GEEK sweater for a bigger size (my tits preclude any notion of fitting into a 'medium'; I have no idea why I pretend otherwise). Have a splendid day, y'all.

Meluv, I have just remembered how faraway Christmas is and you've had your decs up for yonks already!! Are you one of those lovely people who goes completely bonkers over the run-up to Christmas? I am envy of this kind of behaviour for I am all 'bah! humbug!' at this time it would be completely different if I had children, though sad

goldengirl71 Fri 23-Nov-12 10:54:41

I've just had a thought: please don't laugh at me. Could my temps be languishing temporarily because both my eggs were released? I know they ovulate within twelve hours of each other but could that cause the delay in a decent thermal shift? [scampers away out of earshot of guffaws]

npg1 Fri 23-Nov-12 22:01:33

Evening everyone.

Well I have another scan monday cd11. Hopefully I will see something? What is the jab you all talk about and does the sonographer to that?

I dont post that much on here as I feel like I dont know enough about it all, everyone on here seems to know so much!

I have decided im not going to temp or do sticks or check cervix this month as want a relaxed approach.

Also will the sonographer be able to sen I am going to ovulate? And what days do you recommend to dtd? Im not sure when I ovulate x

goldengirl71 Sat 24-Nov-12 12:52:00

Npg1, the jab is a shot of HCG (the pregnancy hormone) which they give to women who have been shown to produce nice big follicles at their scan but then still don't ovulate according to their 'day 21' blood test. The injection is to give a kick up the arse to those follicles. The injection is supposed to force ovulation to occur between 32 and 48 hours later. I didn't even have to ask the nurse for my jab - but they are eager to push me quicker because I am an old fart and running out of time. By all means push for the injection if Clomid is failing to make you ovulate. I know that, for Summer at least, the jabs didn't work either.

The sonographer can only tell you that you are 'about to ovulate'. She can see the exact size of your follicles (eggs are too tiny to be seen on the screen) but that is all. She has no way of knowing whether your body is actually going to push those eggs out. Only the 'day 21' test can confirm that it happened or not. Not even the injection can guarantee the eggs will come out of the follicles. Clomid has a great success rate though, Npg1. Don't forget...85% of women on Clomid will eventually ovulate. Be patient but be bold and ask for the injection if, after a couple of cycles, you haven't ovulated.

If you have no idea when you will ovulate I suggest DTD every other day from CD10 until you go for your day 21 blood test. Maybe others will suggest a different regimen. I am lucky in that my positive OPK every month gives me plenty of notice to get at least two bed-rocking sessions in. I understand it's different for alot of you on here who don't get decent results from OPKs. In those cases all you can really do is have sex every other day throughout what you suspect is your fertile window.

goldengirl71 Sat 24-Nov-12 13:02:32

It makes me sad, Npg1, that you feel you don't know enough to post more often on here. It's not about who-knows-what but knowing we're a community of women experiencing the same highs and lows of this Clomid journey thanks

goldengirl71 Sat 24-Nov-12 13:04:54

Hey, Rosie! Are you okay, lovely?

goldengirl71 Sat 24-Nov-12 16:27:55

This morning, Fertility Friend pinpointed ovulation at CD15 (Wednesday). Spot on! grin

Annalou84 Sat 24-Nov-12 17:01:19

Omg omg omg I've got a positive ovulation omg omg

goldengirl71 Sat 24-Nov-12 18:11:38

YAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!! Congratulations, Annalou! Good luck with the bed-rocking - you should ovulate within the next 24-36 hours (fantastic timing for weekend sex - clever girl wink)

mumalah Sat 24-Nov-12 19:02:04

Well pissed off ! After gearing up to be strong, I fell to pieces when I walked in the room. Different consultant, ive met her before in my last pregnancy. This woman told me at 38 weeks my baby had turned from lying transitional after keeping me in for over a week in hospital just by given my stomach a prod. I actually ended up having an emergency c-section after hours of trying to push a baby out that was transitional through out the whole pregnancy. I don't even think she has anything to do with fertility. However I had my scan and she said one egg had released , but one was still there. She said I may have ovulated, only the blood test will determine that. She then said ring for result in 10 days ! I said I hadn't got any clomid left , as I was told to increase dose last month. ( in my head i was thinking 10 days i will have af !) She wouldn't give me another prescription, until blood results are back. She said no point giving you a prescription for something that's not working. Then she hit me with the big one, well you are 42 ! Well she looked like she was too old to be still be working, and should be in a coffin!- but did i say that ? No! Bloody wish I had now. I was clutching at straws by this point, and asked if there was anything else i or they could do ? Not unless you pay was the reply. I said what about the HCG shot ? Only used with IVF (what a liar!) I said I thought that was the gonal f ? She said both ivf ! So then she asked me to hand in a form on my way out into the red box. The red box was labelled DISCHARGE. I just cried ! Rant over ! Sorry just had to get that off my chest!
However had my blood test, they said results will be available Monday so whatever the outcome im going to contact the consultant im actually under.

mumalah Sat 24-Nov-12 19:03:11

Annalou thats fantastic !

mumalah Sat 24-Nov-12 19:10:25

sad angry confused wine???

goldengirl71 Sat 24-Nov-12 20:06:13

Mumalah, that fucking witch needs gassing. Listen, I am being serious here: you need to phone your (real) consultant's secretary on Monday morning (almost) in tears - fake the choked voice if you must. Tell her you were utterly disheartened and disrespected when you had your scan today. Don't mention the fact that you already had a bugbear with the woman who fucked-up your birth (you don't want to seem paranoid or hysterical). Tell her this woman has blatantly misinformed you regarding HCG injections. Tell her she patronised you re your age. Tell them you demand another prescription and that you have the right to be treated for six consecutive cycles. Tell the secretary you want to see your (real) consultant as soon as possible to discuss your next step as you were dismayed to be consigned to the 'discharged' box. Please, please, please make the call on Monday, love thanks Deffo indulge in wine and biscuit tonight. Horrid bitch angry

goldengirl71 Sat 24-Nov-12 20:12:05

Please, everybody, remember that all the staff who are treating us - whether NHS or private - are paid huge sums of cash to treat us with respect, kindness and care. If they are not capable of this then move on to someone who is.

Annalou84 Sat 24-Nov-12 23:37:51

Right we bed rocked last night, again tonight we aiming for twice tomorrow should be covered or is that to many times?????

Annalou84 Sat 24-Nov-12 23:40:58

Thanks mumalah please don't dispare it sounds good that you have 1 egg released so fingers crossed for that one. I agree with golden you need to call your specialist on Monday and explain how you feel you should have been made to feel that way at all!!!!!!

Rosiechoice Sun 25-Nov-12 07:11:23

Morning,

Mumalah get on the phone straight away and take goldens advise, as always she's absolutely right, don't let them, treat you like they are, seriously who do these 'professionals' think they are? It sounds terrible, I know flowers won't make it better but they smell beautiful!

annalou congrats! Fantastic news! We bed rocked every day and I don't think it 'did the trick' so I'd say go for it! wink

Welcome mini

Hi golden I'm ok thanks, I've been around this week, reading how you're all getting on, just been a grumpy bum so thought it was best to keep my moaning to the minimum. Feeling really disheartened by the whole process and just waiting for af to arrive, had a big temperature drop today so expecting the inevitable anytime sad I met up with friends (one of which is pregnant) yesterday and I was absolutely dreading all the baby talk and questions of 'when are you having babies?' It was pretty full on with the baby talk but not too hard being asked the dreaded question. Considering I was sat at my desk at work sobbing until other people came in on Friday I dealt with it pretty well. Just sick of the waiting and wishing and hoping.

Hope you're all having a good weekend

npg1 Sun 25-Nov-12 07:47:30

Morning all. Havent posted for couple days. All you ladies seem to know so nuch more than me! Im on cd 10 today ans cant even be bothered to think about bed rocking! Do we really have to start today?!

So im confused with ovulation. When the sonographer says it looks like your about to release the egg, that means ovulation right? Thats when we need to start bed rocking?! If I experience any change in mucus one day which last month I noticed it on cd19 shluld we do it that night? Or has the time already passed?

Rosiechoice Sun 25-Nov-12 08:08:02

Morning npg1 we started on cd10 but it was way too early (but everyones different), I think if you know your body and pick up on the signs its a good indication of when you're about to ovulate, do you take your temperature? I found this really helpful, but it is a bit of a pain doing it every morning before moving. Yes you're right start bed rocking when the sonographer says you're about the release an egg, as soon as you get a change in mucus dtd - good luck!

Christelle2207 Sun 25-Nov-12 11:14:31

morning all
apologies for the radio silence.
"golden" sorry to hear you've had such a shitty time on the other thread, for the record i don't think you said anything out of turn, mind you I do think that when things are written rather than said face to face, it's easy to misinterpret. We all like you over here anyway. Pleased that you think you managed to bed rock at the right times this month, fingers crossed for you this cycle!

mumalah that sounds like very rough treatment. Am confused though, have they discharged you or are you going back? I obviously hope the latter!

annalou lots of bed rocking sounds good, depending on your DP's sperm though I'm not conviced twice a day is a good idea because it can take 1-2 days for good quality swimmers to build themselves up again iyswim so according to docs I have spoken to, unless you have very high sperm count, every 2-3 1-2 days is best until the mucus dries up and/or you get raised temperature which should in theory confirm that ovulation has taken place.

Meluv Sun 25-Nov-12 11:30:56

well Elo all my bed rocking friends not been around for a few days been so busy hope use are all well some good news on hear some not so good I send u all my big special hugs an hope they have great affect what ever the need for them mwah x

Christelle2207 Sun 25-Nov-12 11:33:11

npg1 yes as rosie says good to start dtd now but really go at it when you get ewcm, once that has dried up (and temperature has risen if you're doing that) then time to rest up for the tww!

anyway, radio slience due to me feeling a bit sorry for myself of late, have now had AF cramps and sore boobs and the obligatory sore boobs since thursday - no sign of her proper as yet though have had very light pink tinged mucus (does anyone else get this before AF? not sure if it counts as spotting or not...certainly I wouldn't spot it at all if I wasn't examining the toilet paper so carefully!!!!). Am feeling pissed off because I was hoping that by clomid making me ovulate earlier (which it did) i would get period later, thus lenghtening my LP. Assuming my period comes in the next day or so that hasn't happened, so perhaps clomid is a complete waste of time for me (that said, I may not have had optimumly timed sex this cycle). Anyway "golden" did you say you had protracted pms symptoms last cycle? How long for? Just want AF to arrive now so I know where I stand. It's only CD24 though, I'm gutted (day 26 is the earliest I've previously had my period, but that was when I ovulated around day 18-19, this time I think I ovulated between 13 and 15).

Also annoyed because doc receptionist gave me the wrong TSH score when I run up for my thyroid results. Doc rang me up and said that although it has gone down from previous 8, only down to 5.5 not 2.1 which is what the receptionist told me. Grrr. Anyway thankfully she is completely fine about doubling my levothyroxin dose, if it has gone down from 8 to 5.5 after just over a month of 25mg, surely it will go down further with a double dose. Aiming for the magic number of between 1 and 2...

Anyway broadly am annoyed because assuming clomid isn't helping my LP at all not sure what to do because clinic specifically does not want anything to do with me for 6 months (admittedly with short cycles this should come round more quickly!). So do you think, perhaps after giving it one more cycle and trying harder to time bed hopping, i should call them and demand to be seen because I know that with a LP of only slightly more than a week it's just not going to happen? I think I may have to fake some tears, but am broadly convinced that you have to make a fuss to make progres with the NHS. Also considering paying up to see someone privately in the new year, just want to better understand our options really.

Someone said about adopting the other day - I actually would be up for this, especially from a third world country (though DP is against this). What puts me off though is the process of getting there, social services sticking their nose in etc. I truly think it is horrendous that anyone CAN get pg, fertility problems aside, and social services clearly don't vet all prospective parents do they. Yet when there is a needy child and a childless couple willing to give that child a loving home there is an enormous tick box exercise. I know two couples that have adopted and got there in the end but the process was so demanding they nearly gave up before they got there.

Rant over. Think am going to take some painkillers and lie low for the rest of the day.

goldengirl71 Sun 25-Nov-12 12:28:50

Christelle, have you considered starting your own thread about your concerns about your luteal phase? You will be bombarded with advice. I have never had your problem and feel powerless to advise you - I certainly agree that whichever 'professionals' have been dealing with you thus far have been negligent in overlooking your LP concerns. You are right...a pregnancy will be very difficult to maintain with a <10 day LP. Please do demand some proper attention for this, you should not have to resort to private consultants for such an easily remedied problem.

Adoption: fucking beurocratic, fascist minefield of bollocks. Did you know that 7 out of 8 prospective parents fall by the wayside along the adoption journey? What about the debacle over Rotherham council taking away the foster children of that UKIP couple? Outrageous. However, I would deffo adopt if it weren't for DP's and my criminal records sad

I'm so sorry your AF is on its way, Christelle. I do think the tinged mucus is spotting sad thanks

P.s...your thyroid receptionist is another witch who should be gassed. What is wrong with these people?! angry

Npg1, I know CD10 is early to begin having sex, but what if you ovulate at CD11? Plenty of women do. Equally, you may ovulate on CD18. What are you going to do to cover these bases?? I suggest you read Zelda West's Guide To Getting Pregnant. I keep recommending this book and the reason for that is because it is fucking essential, in my opinion. She explains how the majority of women who come to her clinic seeking IVF have simply not been having enough sex. When she sits them down and asks for details of their sex lives she finds that there are tons of women having sex say, every Sunday morning, and hoping to get pregnant! As she says, if those women ovulate on a Wednesday they're fucked. I only have knowledge, Npg1, because I read. Alot. This book I've recommended will teach you everything you need to know. Buy it, and at the same time buy a basal body temp thermometer from Amazon and get charting - you'll never look back.

Rosie, I, too, am sick of wishing and waiting and hoping. It is fucking shit. I've wished and hoped and waited eight months now (since my mmc) for a BFP. BUT this is not a long time to wait even for 'normal' couples with no fertility issues. It is actually very, very difficult to get pregnant - all the planets need to be so perfectly aligned for this miracle to take place. We have little issues which are taking time to remedy. I do know how despair can destroy hope. Let's stay positive. AF - and the hormonal upset which comes with it - makes everything ten times worse. Chin up, love thanks

Christelle, yes, my premenstrual symptoms proved to be more pronounced on Clomid. I genuinely thought I was preggo what with tender nipples and nausea - symptoms I have never, ever had previously.

41 yrs, 2nd Clomid cycle, 4DPO.

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