Fantastic 40+ Thread - Part Eight.

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goldengirl71 Thu 11-Oct-12 21:51:58

"Come on ovaries! Let's get this party started, yeah?"

123littlepigs Sun 14-Oct-12 19:43:04

Hi hopefullgum welcome and thanks for the info... I think I might be out for this month however. sad

Tested this morning and it came back a big fat N.... Period not due until this Wednesday however so I'll just have to wait and see....

All the best to the rest of you all testing in the next few day.... grin

goldengirl71 Sun 14-Oct-12 20:29:53

Aww, Littlepigs, I'm sorry sad

Thinking of you tomorrow, Mia'sMummy. Be strong x

TinaO99 Sun 14-Oct-12 20:51:03

thnaks diege gum little pigs and angel!!! little pigs sorry wouldnt have a clue about temping, I tried it for a while when I first started trying but gave it up as I couldnt be bothered doing it every day and just seemed to get weird results all the time lol

wylie welcome, I'm 44 too so still definite chance for you, sorry also about your mc, I had one a couple of years ago so I know how it feels, lucky you in Perth, we were heading out there to emigrate last year but decided not to in the end as it was either that or a baby and baby won hands down lol

golden does sound a bit funny if your consultant is giving out clomid so freely, my consultant said there was no point giving it if you ovulated, in the end when I had my IUI I was given menopur rather than clomid which I was told had less side effects but I guess clomid is cheaper! By the way hope your boil has cleared up sounds very painful, I sometimes get them in even more sensitive places but I blame shaving for that grin

I'm now struggling to get through the next 3 weeks until my first scan, I just want to see that all looks ok as I still don't feel pregnant in terms of symptoms, I've always had sore boobs before but this time nothing! I'm wondering if the progesterone is masking some symptoms or whether this pregnancy is just going to be different. I do have an aversion to some smells and have gone off some foods, unfortunately this isn't good as I'm craving stodge and naughty things and have gone off healthy food

I have also made a decision not to look at or buy anything until the first 3 months have passed but have already found myself thinking about decorating the spare room and what theme I'll use!

My daughter also now knows, she was ok about it but a bit non commital - I think she'll be ok if it's a boy which I feel it is - one of my embryos was very sticky and tried to stay in the catheter during the transfer, the consultant said in his experience the sticky ones were boys!

hopefulgum Mon 15-Oct-12 00:15:50

123littlepigs, sorry about the BFN. I sometimes wish we had a monitor on our bodies that spelt out plainly, 3 days after ovulation,whether we should be hopeful or not. I always feel reasonably hopeful in the 2ww (hence my name), until I start testing at 9 DPO, then I get antsy and cranky and sad. Luckily I am taking a low key approachhmmso I don't let it get to me too much(why isn't there a "liar" emoticon).

Thinking of you miasmummy, sending love and hugs your way.

Meant to say earlier,*Goth*, that I'm sorry this cycle was a bust for you too. Hang in there, our time will come.

Tina, that's amazing that they can tell the sex so early on. I know you'll be over the moon with either sex, but it will be so lovely for you to have a little boy in your family. Ours brings us so much fun and laughter every day. And he is extremely cuddly.

I am pleased to say that I had a very achey ovary all day yesterday (well, I had an ache in that area on the right side) and then the full on ovulation pain later, this month it felt really strong - I'm hoping that is a good sign(and not a cyst,lol). I did start taking Vitex again this cycle, which apparently has been called nature's clomid, so maybe it has given my ovaries a boost. I hope sogrinNow that DS(4 years old) has finally transitioned to his own bed (our holiday sorted that one,thank goodness), DH and I are managing to have a better go at getting the sperm in the right place at the right time...so I do feel good about my not ttc this monthwink

Love to allthanks

wylie05 Mon 15-Oct-12 07:10:08

Thank you for your kind welcome. I hope all is well with all of you all today.
I haven't had any tests or seen a consultant as I currently trying a what will be will be approach! I'm going to see what happens over the next couple of months. I did have blood tests a couple of years ago and all was fine but all may have changed of course. hopefulgum I'm glad you had a good time at Rottnest, its on our list of places to visit! tina I hope all goes well!
Goldengirl I completely agree that charting is an education!!
Miasmummy I have been following this thread on and off for a while now and am thinking of you today.
Best wishes to all.

CaliBee Mon 15-Oct-12 07:34:03

Morning all ....welcome to wylie smile

Thoughts go out to Miasmummy today.
Hows the clomid going "Golden* any side affects yet?
So for me, I'm currently 8dpo.....however we shall see as I'm trotting off to get a progesterone repeat this morning.....fingers crossed. I'm having weird pinches in the lower sides of my belly and sorest boobs ever. However as I'm sure we all know, symptoms are imagined at this point.

goldengirl71 Mon 15-Oct-12 09:37:50

Gum, I don't know if you read my post about me getting my results from the consultant but I am rather perplexed by them and would appreciate your input. My FSH was 8.2 and LSH was 3.8 (in the summer my FSH was 6.5). I would say this shows a great ovarian reserve, no? More worryingly, though, was my day 22 progersterone result of 18.5. To show a normal ovulation the score needs to be >25. The consultant told me this was proof that I'm not ovulating - hence the ease with which I was prescribed Clomid. But, Gum, you've seen my charts...I ovulate every month! Can you help me understand what's going on here? I didn't want to argue with the consultant about my charts versus her results in case she snatched the Clomid away. I'd appreciate your thoughts (and those of anyone else who can shed some light, please).

P.s...for an over-40 thread I would have expected a few other women to have tried Clomid at some point. Do we know of anyone who has and did it work for them on here?

Diege Mon 15-Oct-12 09:38:25

Morning smile. Welcome wylie!
calibee - good luck for this month; are you taking progesterone at present?
Golden will read with interest how you get on with the clomid. It does sound like your dh is getting his act together. How does he feel about the 'session' he is going to have to put in this month?
Angel, miasmum, thinking of you both xxx
All fine here. Am thinking dh's 'I don't want any more babies' shell might be penetrable. He actually said last night (with no prompting I might add, not even on the subject) that he would like another baby but was worried about money etc etc. So am going to do a gum take a softly softly approach and see if I can't lure him in with a promise of constant sex grin.

hopefulgum Mon 15-Oct-12 13:23:18

Oh Deige - I think the lure of plentiful sex will actually work! I'm very excited to think that you might join us ttc again.smile

Golden - your FSH is really good for an over 40 woman. Anything under 11 is good. As for LSH - I don't know what that is and wasn't tested for it. I had estrogen,FSH,AMH done. The AMH is the new one they use to talk about ovarian reserve.Mine was super low,and the doctor had me believing I had no eggs at all left.And maybe I don't, but I seem to ovulate all the time according to temperatures. As for your progesterone test - I really don't know what it means. I think I had a test done and it was 28( I think, I can't actually remember) and I was told it was "excellent", and that was the same month I had estrogen levels that would indicate I "wasn't ovulating". So I actually take these tests and what they mean with a pinch of salt. I have also read so many testimonials from women who were told they were infertile with FSH of 42 and still had a baby.

I was talking to my younger sister today and remembered that she had taken clomid about 17 years ago. She did get pregnant the first month she used it, but she had an ectopic pregnancy. She had PCOS and had tried for 7 years before that with no success. She kept taking the clomid and they kept upping the dose, but she didn't get pregnant again. It was after having her tubes flushed out,and her DH giving up caffeine, booze and taking supplements that they got pregnant with their son. Then she found out she was 20 weeks pregnant when her son was about 10 months old. She had no idea she was pregnant, but complained of feeling sick.I prompted her to take a test, and sure enough, she was pregnant. She went for a scan and found out she was already 20 weeks! Then she had another 8 years before falling pregnant again, this time just by losing weight and using opk's ( with the PCOS she wasn't ovulating much). Would you believe, when that baby was 4 months old she fell pregnant again! She now has four sons. So although she was told early on she was not very fertile, from an outsider's point of view she looks very fertile.

Anyway, I hope the clomid works for you Golden.

My DS is calling for his warm milk, he's ready for bed, so must run. See you tomorrow.

littlepinkfizz Mon 15-Oct-12 13:33:30

That is really hopeful news about your sisters situation gum. Imagine her trying for babies and then not realising she was pregnant! That is lovely! X

goldengirl71 Mon 15-Oct-12 14:06:42

Diege, Dp has been forewarned that, this month, I would like us to have sex the night before and the morning of ovulation, before he goes to work. He readily agreed but asked if we could not keep discussing it in the run-up. Fair enough. The silence between us, though, is disconcerting for me. Although I know it would be counter productive to discuss the deed in advance I find myself quite alone in my anticipation/dread of ovulation. A little resentment is beginning to seep in regarding DP's 'issues'. I can't help it. He knows nothing about it and I know he is doing all he can but I find myself thinking it's not fair that I am not being shagged stupid as often as I would like around ovulation no matter what time of day or night. Previously, DP has refused to DTD before work as he doesn't want the facial Viagra flush all day. This month he has no choice, I'm afraid. If I'm on Clomid the least we can do is have sex at the right time.

He refuses to consider the use of pornographic films or magazines during sex. To be fair, he has developed an aversion to anything involving the sex industry as it was a dark part of my past when I was homeless, vulnerable and skint. I suspect that DP had no problems at all with his performance before me, but out of respect he tells me differently. He has huge issues with my past, some of which I regret deeply, some of which I don't. It is almost as if he puts the brakes on if I try to introduce eroticism in any other form than straightforward lovemaking. I suspect he believes that I am simply trying to re-create past experiences I have engineered with other men. I don't know. I am sorry if all this is TMI, I just needed to get off my chest that I am tired of the emotional and psychological baggage which is weighing down our enjoyment of effortless and adventurous sex. Maybe I expect too much. Our sex life is by no means pedestrian; he is the best kisser and master of oral pleasure I have ever known and the kindest, funniest man to boot. Sorry...I'm off to have a little sob.

goldengirl71 Mon 15-Oct-12 14:57:42

Gum, thanks for your input re my results. I, too, suspect it's all bollocks. Surely our charts can't be wrong? I just wish I knew what the quality of my eggs were - and even that AMH test can't discover that. P.s...how did you create a link using the word 'AMH' in your post? [jealous of Gum's IT skills emoticon]

goldengirl71 Mon 15-Oct-12 15:02:00

Oh, Gum, your sister's story is just ace. I love it when women's bodies prove science wrong grin

goldengirl71 Mon 15-Oct-12 15:10:06

Just found this on the Clomid thread from a lady called Merida:

"Just wanted to add a success story. We'd been TTC for nearly three years, in which time my SIL and step sis had got pregnant at 20 and 21 by accident.
We had every test going, and there really can be few things more frustrating than being told that 'it's good news, the XY or Z test came back clear'. I almost wanted there to be something wrong as then we'd have a chance of fixing it (crazy).

Anyway, the fertility nurse started me on Clomid and a couple of weeks later I puked up all my dinner (sorry, probs TMI!) Thought I'd just eaten something dodgy and went off to bed. Got up in the morning and was ill again. Checked my dates and did a test. Got a lovely BFP and presented it to DH as the best birthday present he could've hoped for.

I'm convinced that the reason we succeeded wasn't the Clomid, but was the fact that I'd become so downtrodden by it all that I kind of accepted it wasn't going to happen and stopped getting my hopes up.

Anyway, good luck to all, really hope it works for you."

CaliBee Mon 15-Oct-12 16:07:45

Just flying in quickly....todays progesterone result is 34.8. I'm thinking this is confirming ovulation. Any ideas ladies?

littlepinkfizz Mon 15-Oct-12 16:44:05

Listen golden your past is your past,warts and all. Like every one of us, so e good ,some bad. Your DP needs to see that. It is your PAST. Your going through he'll every month, men just don't seem to. You have had great courage and strength of mind and moved on in your life to where you are now. You need shagged,shagged and shagged some more. He does seem to be making some effort so give him a little time. Men seem to need a lot of it.....
smile

littlepinkfizz Mon 15-Oct-12 16:49:08

*hell , not he'll

hippychick66 Mon 15-Oct-12 23:01:52

Just popping in to say that this week is baby loss awareness week. Lighting a 'virtual' candle for all our little lost babies in the snug. sad

notsoold Mon 15-Oct-12 23:17:00

Gg loved that clomid thread. And as said before past is past....fingers crossed for you round ov time, hun xxx
Calibee I have no idea I'm afraid. But hoping for a good thing!!!
Hopeful great story smile luck sister!!!

We are here struggling to dtd every other day. We don't temp or anythings scientific because than I become really obsessive so the idea is simple dtd every other day. Absolutely knackered most evenings though and dh is getting tired with work and I (almost) feel sorry for him to have to have sex when so tired.. He is happy to go along but I can see that at 53( his age not mine smile) dtd every other day seems harsh...but what to do?

hopefulgum Tue 16-Oct-12 04:31:19

I just had to pop in and tell you all my weird dream. I think my subconscious is thinking too much about the quality of my eggs, because I dreamt that my mother ,who is 66, donated her eggs to 6 families and they all had babies. It was bizarre. I had heard and said ( in the dream, not RL)to my DH, " how is that possible" and his reply was that the eggs in my family stayed high quality, even after menopause.

How silly, but all this talk of clomid and egg quality obviously had me thinking without even being aware.

It must be a good sign that my eggs are great...at least that's what I'm telling myself!

goldengirl71 Tue 16-Oct-12 11:20:09

Notsoold, there is no need to DTD every other day if you would use OPKs. They will tell you when ovulation is imminent so that you can cram all your intercourse in at the appropriate time. Why make things difficult for your 53 year-old hubby? I used to envy women who were DTD every other day for the whole of their cycle (like they must have the fabbest sex life ever and must waft around fabulously reeking of sex and dropping to the floor for a tumble in supermarkets and things) but now I kind of don't. It's so bloody tedious when the only upshot you want from all this jiggery-pokery is a frigging BFP. Good luck with your efforts, though! wink

Pink and Notsoold, thank you for your kind words. DP is a wonderful man with a more-than-colourful past himself. However, a woman's sexual past does funny things to a man's sexual identity and confidence when he falls in love with her.

Calibee, if you had read the previous posts to yours you would see we had a whole disussion on progesterone day 21 tests. You are hugely selfish to fly in and out without reading properly wink grin

Yesterday I wept for pretty much most of the day. They were definitely tears of the hormonal variety as I felt as though my period was imminent. I've told myself it's the Clomid but, if I'm honest, it could be a whole raft of stuff which is all linked to the TTC journey. DP was a huge help when he got back from badminton last night and assured me that I will have semen in place the night before and the morning of ovulation this month smile

goldengirl71 Tue 16-Oct-12 11:24:12

Hippy, thanks for the candle and the remembrance. I'm lighting one, too sad

goldengirl71 Tue 16-Oct-12 11:27:10

Calibee, I hope my sense of humour hasn't offended. In case it has, here is my serious answer to your post: your eggs are superlative!

CaliBee Tue 16-Oct-12 11:30:49

Hmmmmm.....having only the use of my very slow mobile phone when I excitedly left my previous message I had indeed not checked the previous messages to my post. Apologies....I will go back to lurking sad

goldengirl71 Tue 16-Oct-12 12:06:04

Calibee, come on! You know I was joking!? confused

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