TTC Super Ovulation part 3

(978 Posts)
Arianrhod Mon 08-Oct-12 08:30:07

Hey ladies -

There are a few of us who are ttc after mc's, however there will be ladies out there who are also ttc for the first time or second or third without success. If anyone is on, considering or had success on a super ovulation programme then do join us. How long did it take ? Did you try IUI with it.. ? Did you have PCOS?

Kicking this off and hoping some of you will join....

part 1 here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1385998-TTC-Super-Ovulation

Part 2 here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1475108-TTC-Super-Ovulation-part-2?pg=1

Mel3062 Thu 07-Mar-13 16:19:29

Thanks ari I felt ill after my first pill last night after dinner all I can think is that I had a milky drink but thought it was an hour before. Anyway thanks for your advice xx

Pebbles73 Thu 07-Mar-13 19:27:07

Just on my way back from appointment with Mr S, my tnf-alpha levels were 37 so not too crazy. Have the prescription for the humira, did you get yours from Healthcare at home Mel?

Had a chat to him about ivf and explained we wouldn't necessarily be doing at Newlife and me seemed perfectly fine about that. When I mentioned the more natural approach and Create though he wasn't happy! He described it as fluffy ivf and that he has treated people who spent thousands there on lots of cycles that didn't work. He said go somewhere like ARGC so now not sure what we are going to do! I think realistically ARGC is just too expensive for us, am tempted to do it at NewLife as prices are reasonable, sucsess rates aren't bad and Mr Gafar was a director at ARGC so they follow a similar protocol. Mmmmmm confused

Mel3062 Thu 07-Mar-13 19:30:50

Your levels are pretty good then. Yes got mine from there, just got my other lot today but had hoped for the pen version sad elma cream at the ready x

duggs1976 Fri 08-Mar-13 06:26:09

Oh brown whispered congrats. Pebbles PLS think seriously about ARGC look at their results.x

Arianrhod Fri 08-Mar-13 08:00:30

So do you actually need to do humira pebbles, if your TNFa levels aren't that bad? Relief to hear Mr S isn't grumpy about doing IVF elsewhere, interesting to hear his views on Create though. Awful having to make the decision between clinics, especially if you haven't got an unlimited budget. One of the posts on FF I was reading yesterday, the lady had done 11 IVFs to date and I had to think How? How on earth did she afford it? That's really serious money!

Well news from me is ......... OH said we should try IVF and is ok with going to Athens! Said he's been thinking about it all week and decided we should try after all. Men! Confusing or what?! I'm so relieved though. First (telephone) consultation with Serum on Monday, please please let this work!!

Arianrhod Fri 08-Mar-13 08:01:27

brown How was Poland? And how are you doing? Assuming you're back of course!

Arianrhod Fri 08-Mar-13 08:02:17

And mel how were you with the anti-bs last night?

duggs1976 Fri 08-Mar-13 09:01:16

Great news ari that really is a positive step!

Mel3062 Fri 08-Mar-13 09:27:43

Aww ari so pleased to hear this! Antibiotics have been fine thanks I felt a little sick yesterday and hubby complained of tummy ache so I gave him the opezole too as he won't eat breakfast so fingers crossed!!
My daughter had bad news yest shed been to a uni visit day where she's got an offer, loved it, then discovered her exam results and looks like she may fail an a level sad it's so hard sad
Pebbles I bet you'll only need one lot of humira, had mine last night the elma cream worked better xx think itl either be argc if at all poss or newlife for us x

BellyD Fri 08-Mar-13 12:30:52

Great news Ari, so glad your OH came round.

We are off to ZW today for our second ivf consultation. Will keep you posted.

Arianrhod Fri 08-Mar-13 12:40:11

How have you found ZW to be belly? Just out of clinic-comparing-interest, you understand smile. Do let us know how you get on!

Pebbles73 Fri 08-Mar-13 14:18:42

Bugger wrote a really long message and don't know where it had gone!! Just wanted to say I am so happy for you Ari and wondered if there was a particular reason for choosing Serum? I couldn't find any success rates for them.

I still need humira as levels should be under 30.

Duggs I hear you re ARGC but is really out of our price range. Also somewhere cheaper I get to have two goes so success rate should average out!

Arianrhod Fri 08-Mar-13 14:38:34

Weeeeell, there are a number of reasons I'm choosing Serum pebbles, to be honest. Bear in mind these are completely my reasons, and may be irrelevant to anyone else!

First and foremost is a combination of cost - full DE cycle is 5000€, full OE cycle would be 3000€ (not including any meds you need) - alongside the really excellent and personal treatment you get there, so I've read from many ladies, and so I've found from talking to Penny myself several times. Secondly for me is that egg donors in Greece (in most EU countries actually) are still anonymous, whereas here they have to be registered. That means not only are there less egg donors here now (numbers of both egg and sperm donors here dropped sharply when the law was changed requiring registration in 2005), there is no potential future possibility that they may be allowed to track down the product of their donated eggs - if you see what I mean. Thirdly is that I know Serum do their utmost to match you with a donor that has as close a match to any requirements you might choose to specify, not just the standard height/weight/hair/eye colour that so many places do. Plus I know Serum screen their donors really carefully, a lot of them are personally known to the staff at Serum, and they always make sure they have a full medical history as well as doing various tests on the donors themselves. Also I understand they really look after their donors, as well as they do their patients/recipients. Fourthly is that Serum really do tailor medications/programs with fine-tuning for each and every individual, rather than putting most women on the 'standard' protocol of drugs/tests etc that so many IVF clinics seem to do.

Additionally consultations are free, and follow-up/aftercare is excellent, so I've been told again and again. And costs of things like LIT and intralipds is a fraction of what they are here - intralipids alone I think are something like
Success rates for fresh DE cycles are I believe something like 60 to 70%; I don't think they publish OE cycle success rates as I think they believe those largely irrelevant given that every woman generally brings with her a history of problems that have to be factored in. I could be wrong about that last, but I don't recall seeing success rates published for OE cycles - although I think you could easily email Serum and ask them, they're very helpful.

I know none of you are looking at donor eggs so some of my reasons would be irrelevant to you. And it's such a very personal choice too, everyone has different reasons for where they choose to go and all are extremely valid to the person choosing. There is no right or wrong answer, I feel, just what suits you personally. These are simply some of my personal reasons for choosing Serum. To me, the advantages of going to Serum outweigh the undoubted pain in the @rse of having to fly there.

Apologies for the long post, I'd honestly be really interested to know why people choose the clinics they do - and more apologies for taking this thread completely off the original topic!

Arianrhod Fri 08-Mar-13 14:43:12

Bugger, that'll teach me to hit post before I finished a sentence! I meant to say ... "intralipids alone I think are something like 100€". Whereas we all know, NLC charge £350! sad

Arianrhod Fri 08-Mar-13 15:01:47

Oh, meant to say (god I'm rubbish at realising I left things out) that if they feel it beneficial to you, there is no extra charge for IMSI, PICSI or assisted hatching, whereas I believe most IVF clinics charge extra (I was just looking at New Life's costs, and ICSI is an extra £1000 ... !). Irrelevant of course if they're not needed, but nice to know you won't get a hefty extra charge if they are needed.

duggs1976 Fri 08-Mar-13 15:50:46

Ahh of course pebbles that makes total sense and now I've read ari post I wonder if donor egg is something I might consider if these next 2 IVF rounds fail? I wasn't sure of the prices as the web page changed symbols and I can't scroll as on iPhone. How much is a donor egg cycle in serum ari? X

Arianrhod Fri 08-Mar-13 16:20:52

5000€ duggs with your own meds on top. But as I mentioned if you need ICSI, assisted hatching or anything it's included.

brownstag Sat 09-Mar-13 14:18:49

Ari, I'm so pleased for you. I thought some good would come out of it in the end. My DH have also been having heart to hearts in Poland about his attitude to my pregnancy, etc and he is going to try to mend his ways too!
Bad news from me, I'm afraid. Although according to tests I'm still pregnant, the line is weakening, and is now the same is it was on Tuesday. I was so pleased to get a 'Pregnant: 1-2 weeks' on a Clear Blue on Wednesday, but I think it started to go downhill after that. I only took that one test with me and bought a Polish one yesterday, the line on which I knew was too light. I got home and did two more this morning.
But I am really chuffed even to get a chemical after not conceiving for so long.
What do I do about the steroids now that it is obviously failing? Stop them at once?

Pebbles73 Sat 09-Mar-13 14:50:11

Serum sounds like a great place to go Ari and perfect for you for donor eggs. You are right about choosing somewhere by if it is right for you and you feel comfortable there. Part of the reason I am considering NewLife is because I have already been treated at a few different places and I hate keep going somewhere new and explaining my long and complicated ttc journey! Also I have not had a go at ivf at a place that specialises in immunes. I also like the idea that Mr Gafar used to be director at ARGC and adopts similar protocols.
Serum also sounds like a great place just not sure if I want the hassle of going abroad.
If money was no object it would be ARGC all the way! smile.

Hope everyone is having a nice weekend.

Mel3062 Sat 09-Mar-13 18:00:57

Aww brown really hope that's not the case but its good you're still positive.
Pebbles think itl be newlife for me, can't see oh agreeing for argc (sigh)
When are you doing humira? Xx

Mel3062 Sat 09-Mar-13 18:03:01

Ari get that flight booked quick!!

buzzybee123 Sat 09-Mar-13 18:28:26

hi ladies I was just having a bit of a lurk to see how you ladies are smile

ari We are going to Reprofit in May for DE IVF, I get my protocol next week and we are good to go smile good luck with Serum

brownstag congrats

pebbles I do know someone who has become pregnant doing natural IVF at Create, sadly she has miscarried, I personally didn't like their attitude and the fact you are waiting so long and they never tell you how late you they are running and the whole peeping through keyholes made me a bit hmm but its what you feel comfortable with, I do know a lady who is at ARGC who also has sadly miscarried but her care was really good although very expensive. Its hard trying to find the right place.

hello to others and good luck

brownstag Sun 10-Mar-13 09:08:52

It's all fine! I'm not miscarrying after all! At least not yet. wink
This is a real lesson in how tests vary.
Before I went away I ordered some cheapie internet extrasensitive tests, the same ones the NHS use. At the same time my sister sent me some apparently identical ones from the NHS (she's a nurse). These were all waiting for me when I got home.
When I got home I tested with 2 10miu ones and the lines were quite light. I thought the worst.
Then later I did one with a 25miu one and that was much darker. This morning I did some more, including an ovulation test. The 25miu was still darker than than the supposedly 10miu one. And the ovulation test is so dark it's off the scale.
So all is not lost!
I almost stopped taking all the drugs on the basis of those tests, and was even planning on having a drink today (DH's birthday today). Thank God I didn't.

brownstag Sun 10-Mar-13 09:09:44

Sorry, meant to say that the ones my sister sent were 25miu.

duggs1976 Sun 10-Mar-13 09:12:52

Think we should update this thread to IVF thread - not sure the super ovulation programme has really proven itself wink

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