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Worms?

(63 Posts)
SilveryMoon Fri 01-Nov-13 22:39:00

My 6yo has been complaining that his bum hurts.
The past few days he has been scratching and saying it itches etc. I've had a look but can't see anything wrong, looks normal.
If he had worms or something, I'd be able to see it wouldn't I?
What should I do about it? He is quite distressed.

Not sure if it's relevant, but he has also been having some bad tummy pains accompanied by a high temperature. This has gone on for just under 2 weeks. Have taken him to the doctors about the belly pains and temperature and they aren't concerned.

you would only really see them if they were in his poo or you checked his bottom in the night when they are active. I would treat just in case. You would have to treat the whole family - I think ovex is ok from age 2

DziezkoDisco Fri 01-Nov-13 23:07:59

Check his bum when he us asleep ,they come out st night.

SilveryMoon Fri 01-Nov-13 23:09:46

Thanks for the replies.
Would it do any harm to treat regardless?
Going to go and check now

no I dont think it would do any harm to treat even if it is unconfirmed

SilveryMoon Fri 01-Nov-13 23:16:31

It is worms sad
I've just had a look and can see them

lagoonhaze Fri 01-Nov-13 23:19:13

Wash all bedding, towels and soft towels too.

nightwear change daily.

its so common dont worry.

Rosencrantz Fri 01-Nov-13 23:19:58

Take ovex to be sure. It is perfectly fine to take, even if you've not got worms.

WallyBantersJunkBox Fri 01-Nov-13 23:30:34

Individual towels for everyone. Make sure he washes around the area properly in the morning and night. Boil wash all the bedding and towels that you have used.

The eggs are tiny and fall out easily around the toilet from underwear - they live a long time too. Bleach the area around the loo and the loo seat every night if you can.

Keep nails short on everyone as the eggs are easily transferred, and be scrupulous about everyone washing their hands around eating/using the toilet.

To stop DS scratching put some Vaseline around his bottom as it helps ease the irritation of the wriggling and stops them moving, and pop on a tight fitting pair of pants under pjs to stop him putting his hand there in his sleep.

Everyone will have to take an Ovex or Boots remedy. They aren't too bad, just a chewy tablet.

SilveryMoon Fri 01-Nov-13 23:30:54

Thanks for the link and comments.
I feel really gross, but I know it's common in children.
No one else in the family are showing any symptoms but now wondering how long this has gone on for........is this what's causing his stomach aches?
He's asleep in my bed, I have to get in there!
So tomorrow I will get to the pharmacy and wash all bedding and soft toys, will hoover the bedrooms daily and the mattresses tomorrow.

SilveryMoon Fri 01-Nov-13 23:34:06

Thanks. I've just been looking online about causes/treatments etc.
I noticed that it says threadworm is only carried by humans but can be passed via pets if fur becomes contaminated with eggs.
We have 2 cats, what do I do to ensure they're not carrying eggs on them?
How long does the treatment take to work?
If I strip all the beds tomorrow morning, I won't get them in the machine at the same time. Is it safe to leave them in the laundry basket?
This is so gross

duchesse Fri 01-Nov-13 23:36:18

Yep, have to make sure you treat everyone in the family as they are so contagious. Do everyone in the family (over the age of 2) on same day- it's just one chewable tablet, and hot wash all bedding and towels.

SilveryMoon Fri 01-Nov-13 23:37:45

We all do have separate towels and flannels.
My 2 ds's bath together, so I should stop that right. They bathe every other day because ds2 gets eczema.
They change pj's every day.

duchesse Fri 01-Nov-13 23:37:45

French people routinely worm their children at least once a term- it's so common in schools and nurseries etc... It's a wonder more GPs don't treat against them or recognise the symptoms.

SilveryMoon Fri 01-Nov-13 23:38:50

Do I have to re-treat at any stage? Is it like nits where I should do it again in 7-14 days to catch freshly hatched ones?

duchesse Fri 01-Nov-13 23:38:55

I wormed everyone in the family last week btw as DD3 was looking so peeky and complaining of a sore bottom. I don't know if it was that but she's looked a lot better since being wormed (less pale and tired-looking).

duchesse Fri 01-Nov-13 23:40:41

I think it's just one tablet. You can re-treat every few months.

At the same as treating us against threadworm, I also had to de-flea the cat and treat him against tape worm that I knew he had (saw segments wriggling around on his tail), so it was all about the worms here for a fortnight.

I just don't understand why GPs aren't more on the ball about worms here.

SilveryMoon Fri 01-Nov-13 23:40:55

Being wormed grin, having kids is really like having dogs wink

SilveryMoon Fri 01-Nov-13 23:42:00

Sounds like a nightmare duchesse

duchesse Fri 01-Nov-13 23:42:26

Yup. grin

btw you have to treat you and DH as well- if your DCs have them (and I think it's safe to assume both of them will), you probably do too. Sorry.

WallyBantersJunkBox Fri 01-Nov-13 23:42:55

With Ovex it's one tablet now and another in exactly two weeks, to break the cycle. As said the eggs can live for a long time.

As long as you don't shake the bedding out, just fold it carefully and place in the washing basket while you are getting all the loads done it should be fine.

duchesse Fri 01-Nov-13 23:48:43

Ah OK Wally, thank you. Must worm again in a few days then.

SilveryMoon Fri 01-Nov-13 23:49:00

Yes, I will treat everyone here. Dp's at work now, have told him to search for a 24 hour chemist.
I don't want to get into bed

WallyBantersJunkBox Fri 01-Nov-13 23:53:19

They've been in the house for two weeks Silvery, don't worry too much, try and get some sleep.

I hear they have aversions to food types, raw carrot and garlic in particular, and do limit sugar intake.

Some people even recommend a clove of garlic up the back passage as a remedy to stop the itching (it's the cycle - worms come out to lay eggs, scratching puts eggs under nails, eggs consumed from hands, travel to stomach and hatch.) I've never been quite able to contemplate that for DS though! grin

there is a family pack of ovex (4 tablets) and you can then re-treat in 2 weeks. We got ours through the minor ailments scheme at our local chemist so it didnt cost us anything

SilveryMoon Fri 01-Nov-13 23:56:37

Oh God Wally No, definitely can't do that!

SilveryMoon Sat 02-Nov-13 00:02:46

What about the actual duvet? I'll wash covers and sheets, hoover mattresses but duvets and pillows?

SilveryMoon Sun 03-Nov-13 00:36:31

Anyone know how long the meds take to kill the buggers? We all took tablets today, I washed all bedding, towels etc and me and dcs went on an anti bac wipe spree. Been hand washing on the edge of ocd and I've just seen them on him now.

ovex takes a couple of days as it deprives them of food rather than killing them instantly

WallyBantersJunkBox Sun 03-Nov-13 08:44:58

You might want to wash the duvets to be on the safe side.

Distressing if it comes back again, and a load of hassle.

SilveryMoon Sun 03-Nov-13 08:55:23

Thanks guys.
You might be right wally I just have so much laundry now!

Just while we're on the subject, I'm feeling really paranoid that we must be dirty bastards.
The dc's bathe every other evening and I change their towels every 2nd usage. I change the bed sheets once a week, and hoover, mop etc once a week. My kitchen and bathroom are cleaned every day (bathroom in morning and kitchen in evening).
Is this not enough?

Svrider Sun 03-Nov-13 08:58:35

Op
They've probably caught them from nursery/ school. Make sure they know to wash their hands after going to the loo

Make a note and make sure you worm your cats regularly as well

Your cleaning routine sounds fine

brew
thanks

you do more than me but then I am a slattern

SilveryMoon Sun 03-Nov-13 09:06:27

My cats are indoor cats, I hardly ever flea and worm them. I didn't see a need as they don't go outside......I will do it today anyway.
I read on the NHS website that threadworm isn't carried in animals, it's just human. Although the eggs can be transferred via pet fur and stroking.
My dc's are quite good at remembering to wash hands after the toilet, but they are boys, their hands are usually down their pants somewhere. grin
Fingers crossed it will all be over in a few days.
Last night was much easier, he said it itched a bit but not really bad

FruitbatAuntie Sun 03-Nov-13 09:28:37

Sounds perfectly fine to me, OP. It's better than we manage most weeks. We've not had worms (yet, touch wood etc.) so I highly doubt it's your housework regime that's to blame.

I am very very strict on handwashing before meals and when we come in the front door from school, so my 7 year old does it without even thinking about it. He also constantly sucks his fingers without even thinking about it (hence the stringent washing and nagging). I'm amazed he's not had worms yet due to this habit!

SilveryMoon Sun 03-Nov-13 09:31:45

Ds2 is a finger/hand sucker. He is 4.10. I recently bought him a baby-teething toy so he could suck and chew without doing it to his fingers.
We're all going to have to get up earlier to fit in a wash for them in the morning arent we?
I normally just have them get in the bath/shower every other night and then just hve a quick wipe down the evenings in between, but if the eggs are laid in the night, a wash must be had in the morning.

Twighlightsparkle Sun 03-Nov-13 13:21:21

My child has frequent colonoscopies to check on a medical condition, I was mortified when the consultant said she had , had fun chasing worms! She then said it was really really common and most children have then recurrently through childhood, a lot of the time without symptoms!

We now treat the whole family every few months.

WallyBantersJunkBox Sun 03-Nov-13 13:25:38

To be honest I just stood DS in the bath and showered and hand soaped his bottom on some mornings during the two weeks we went through it.

Everything you are doing is fine. As said, keep nails short and hand washing regular. Kids are exposed through shared toilets in schools and nurseries.

duchesse Sun 03-Nov-13 13:34:46

Fleas are used by tapeworms only as a vector, not ordinary cat worms. (I've been on a worm crash course in the last month) As far as I know most cat worms won't transfer to people but apparently they can inadvertently use a human as a host, where they don't tend to settle in the bowel which is not hospitable to them but in other places such as the nose. <blerch> I'm not taking any chances with the tapeworm, even if it is of the cat variety.

The cat will be regularly wormed and de-flead from now on.

SilveryMoon Sun 03-Nov-13 15:57:14

I bought some worming sachets for the cats today duchesse The pair of them are a nightmare to get hold of to flea treat or give tablets too, so powder mixed into food is the way I go.

Ds2 just went to the toilet and I was wiping him, I saw one on him. That's the first time I've seen them during bowel movement time.
I didn't think ds2 had them, he hasn't shown any symptoms at all, unlike ds1 who has been really poorly!
I suppose that means we do all have it <yuk>

Thanks for the reassurances

unlucky83 Sun 03-Nov-13 16:26:01

Worms are the bane of my life...if you have a DC who is a nail biter/thumb sucker you are fighting a losing battle...
You can tell the school - but IME nothing much happens ...once they have them in the class you are almost guaranteed to keep getting them...
They think 40% of children have them at any one time - I think it is probably more than that...
(I can't believe your GP didn't think about worms)
Most important thing is washing hands before they eat/fingers go anywhere near their mouth...
Put them to bed in pants, wash bottoms in morning.
Clean toilet flushes and taps etc - damp dust bedrooms, wash bedding daily over the next two weeks (apparently you can inhale them too)
(although I would be pretty sure you could just tumble dry bedding on refresh and that would kill any eggs)
Treat again in two weeks...
Get them to tell you if they have an itchy bottom...probably TMI but if mine say they do and I can't see anything I will get them to 'pretend to push a poo' -then often you will see one just inside...by the time you see them in their poo they will have lots...
Also you can probably get Ovex for free from minor ailments - treat the whole family a (I bought some too - so I have some in the house to treat straight away) -if they struggle with the tablets there is a banana flavoured liquid my DD2 loves hmm
Nothing to do with bad hygiene etc - they are easy to catch and easy to spread - most parents aren't on the look out for them...
(my life has got easier since my DD1 (12) stopped being a nail biter - up to then it was more or less constant...)
BTW more to do with other children in your DCs school rather than your cats...
If you can bear it tell as many other parents in your DCs classes you can they have them...I do that with a couple of other parents in my Dcs class - would rather a letter went home to all parents - get the whole school and their families treated ...rant rant
(I posted on here last week - whether to get my DD to change her homework - she had to say what she took medicine for - she said worms in her bottomblush - in the end I bottled and got her to change it blushblush)

SilveryMoon Sun 03-Nov-13 17:30:21

unlucky83 Thank you for that. It was about 3 weeks ago that ds1 got a fever and was screaming about belly ache. When it got to week 2, I tok him to the gp, but they said it was normal. It was only on this friday that he started screaming about his bum hurting.
Ds2 always has his hand in his mouth, have been telling him for years not to do it which is why I bought him baby-teethers etc to chew/suck. He's 4!
Maybe I'll also go down the route of treating every few months for this.
I also read that eggs can be air-bourne which is a pita. I usually just dry dust, and how am I supposed to keep toys etc properly clean? They have so much stuff it would take me hours to wipe it all down with a wet cloth regularly!
sad

unlucky83 Sun 03-Nov-13 18:32:47

Honestly I don't do the bedding washed every day etc for 2 weeks anymore - (do the bottom washing and frequent hand washing)- I did for years and it like I said they just get them again at school sad
I do for the first couple of days after treating though ...doing it less often seemed to make no noticeable difference to how soon they got them again ...5-6 times a year!
DD1 stopping her nail biting has made a big difference - we only had them twice last year -and second lot was within a few weeks of going back to school after summer hols!
I think you can only do your best - and just be prepared to treat regularly - they got them from somewhere - and have been passing them on to their peers before you realised ... would imagine only a matter of time before they are back - especially with such young children who you can't stop sucking fingers (or scratching bottoms!)

SilveryMoon Sun 03-Nov-13 18:48:00

All true unlucky sad
Thanks again, I do feel better hearing all of this from other people, makes me feel that I'm not a skanky cow wink

WallyBantersJunkBox Sun 03-Nov-13 21:07:43

No you're not skanky in the least. brewthanks

SilveryMoon Sun 03-Nov-13 21:58:10

Thanks Wally
There doesn't seem to be any there now phew

SilveryMoon Sun 03-Nov-13 22:56:22

Spoke to soon sad he's up now quite distressed sad

unlucky83 Sun 03-Nov-13 23:15:54

Oh Silvery - poor you and poor DS ...
(And you really aren't skanky - or if you are there are a lot of us in the same boat)
If you can bear it you could try to physically remove any you see - and maybe wash his bottom
(Don't know if it true but read somewhere it isn't just the actual worms that make them itch - the worms release something that is itchy too...)
And hopefully the Ovex will see them off soon ...good luck flowers

SilveryMoon Mon 04-Nov-13 21:29:46

I've covered him in vasaline tonight.
Yeah I read that they excrete a sticky substance that itches.

WallyBantersJunkBox Mon 04-Nov-13 21:47:05

That should help.

You're not quite at the garlic clove stage yet! smile

Can you try and add some carrot sticks or grated carrot to a few meals? In vinaigrette salad for example? I've read a few reports that they absolutely don't like it. Garlic consumption the correct way round too....

SilveryMoon Tue 05-Nov-13 16:54:47

He has carrot sticks in his lunch box a few times a week. I cook a lot at home, pasta sauces and stews etc so there's garlic in lots of stuff.
I use the precrushed frozen stuff so maybe I could just rub that round him wink

gamerchick Tue 05-Nov-13 17:00:34

It is the glue that causes the itching. . Baby wipes help.

They're a pain in the arse.. We've had to do deworming recently as well.

I Get the bottle of over to keep in the cupboard for next time. It's good for 6 doses.

gamerchick Tue 05-Nov-13 17:00:54

*ovex

SilveryMoon Tue 05-Nov-13 17:29:29

Thanks gamer ds1 says babywipes sting. He has really suffered bless him.
Going to keep with the vasaline for this week and then see where we are from the weekend. Really hope they're going

NotAnotherPackedLunch Tue 05-Nov-13 17:35:24

Do they have onsies that they can wear to prevent them scratching and spreading the eggs?

WallaceWindsock Tue 05-Nov-13 17:42:18

Right, I've today noticed pale specks in DDs poo. Could this be worms? It's the second time this week I've noticed it so am sure it's not a food that's coming through undigested as she's eaten different things every day this week. Can someone describe what I'd be seeing in her poo if it were worms?

duchesse Tue 05-Nov-13 18:31:14

Are you sure it's not sesame seeds or the like, Wallace?

SilveryMoon Wed 06-Nov-13 06:42:57

I haven't seen anything in the poo Wallace. Have you checked her actual area when she's sleeping?

WallaceWindsock Wed 06-Nov-13 09:40:32

Don't think it's anything shes eaten, we don't have seeds etc in the house. It's possible she's been eating candles or bouncy balls again (don't ask, I despair grin). Checked the area twice last night and couldn't see anything. I guess I just need to keep an eye on her poo and see. Crossing fingers it's something odd she's eaten.

SilveryMoon Wed 06-Nov-13 22:44:18

Fingers crossed for you Wallace I've just checked ds1 and can't see anything. He said earlier that the big itching is gone it's just a little tiny itch left

WallyBantersJunkBox Wed 06-Nov-13 22:54:04

Great news Silvery. smile

We have a verruca and a UTI to deal with now!

It never bloody ends does it!?

SilveryMoon Thu 07-Nov-13 07:06:16

No. Whose bright idea was it to have children? wink

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