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Totally freaked out, just found pubes on my 5 year old dd

(112 Posts)
treadingwater123 Sun 04-Aug-13 18:40:28

She's a baby sad !!!!

YoniBottsBumgina Sun 04-Aug-13 18:42:00

Er, what? Firstly why are you inspecting her crotch? And secondly, it's very unlikely to be a pube. She is five.

chickensaladagain Sun 04-Aug-13 18:44:55

any other signs of puberty?

please take her to a gp

HotCrossPun Sun 04-Aug-13 18:45:10

I was reading a thread the other day about somebody's daughter who had started puberty and she was really young.

I'd take her to the doctor so they can investigate any hormone issues.

treadingwater123 Sun 04-Aug-13 18:45:27

Cheers for the condescending reply
It is indeed a pube (or around 6 or 7 actually)I wasn't 'inspecting' she showed me as I was drying her after her bath

treadingwater123 Sun 04-Aug-13 18:46:24

Cheers for the condescending reply
It is indeed a pube (or around 6 or 7 actually)I wasn't 'inspecting' she showed me as I was drying her after her bath

NatashaBee Sun 04-Aug-13 18:46:36

Are you sure it's not just a downy kind of hair covering her whole body? I would see a doctor - just in case it's early puberty, I believe they can halt it if they identify it early until the child is a more appropriate age.

Hassled Sun 04-Aug-13 18:46:48

I think there are things they can do to slow down premature puberty - yes, go to the GP.

I'd take her for a checkup with the GP. Is she on any medication? I think some can cause body hair growth.

treadingwater123 Sun 04-Aug-13 18:48:02

Sorry for double post

Thanks both for helpful replies, I feel so shocked and gutted - she is my baby

My eldest daughter is almost 14 and everything happened early for her but it was around 9 not 5 fgs!!

I've read of this happening and they've been able to delay it. Definitely go to the GP.

PoppyAmex Portugal Sun 04-Aug-13 18:48:23

"Firstly why are you inspecting her crotch? "

Are you serious? She's 5 years old and OP is her mother! shock

treadingwater123 Sun 04-Aug-13 18:49:45

She's very blonde and downy on her legs but no, these are pubes sad one is pretty long, slightly curled and dark sad the others are shorter but also dark

I agree with previous posters. Your first port of call is your gp. You also need to explain to your dd that although nothing is wrong it's just too early which is why a dr may be able to help.

I'm sure you know that you need to tread carefully with her about this. Poor you and dd. Good luck. sad

lougle Sun 04-Aug-13 18:53:29

I inspect my 5 year old's crotch any time she says it's sore and asks me to, just like any other part of her body confused

treadingwater123, you should take her to the doctor when you can - don't worry though, you don't have to make an emergency appointment. The doctor will most likely refer to a paediatrician, to see if there are signs of early puberty.

Have you noticed any other signs such as a big growth spurt or swelling of the nipple area?

treadingwater123 Sun 04-Aug-13 18:56:26

No nipple swelling, she's tall for age but all my kids are and she isn't excessively so
She's very slim and doesn't look older than her 5 years
She said mummy why do I have a hairy Mary like you when I'm only little sad feel really sad

treadingwater123 Sun 04-Aug-13 18:58:41

She hasn't even had a wobbly tooth yet, is just learning to read - it can't happen yet!

sittinginthesun Sun 04-Aug-13 18:59:21

Friend's daughter has this - she has just seen a consultant, and it is fine. A hormonal thing which is relatively well known and completely fine.

I would go to the GP and get a referral though. My friend is in medical profession, and she insisted on a consultants appointment, just to check.

treadingwater123 Sun 04-Aug-13 19:01:01

Sittinginthesun, so is it just left to develop??

fuzzpig Sun 04-Aug-13 19:07:40

Oh no, that's gutting sad definitely see a doctor, perhaps you could even speak by phone or see them without your DD first?

If possible don't let her see you are upset or shocked by this (easier said than done I know)

ChippingInHopHopHop Sun 04-Aug-13 19:07:52

That must have been a shock for you both. 5 is only tiny and she's right - she shouldn't have a hairy mary! Poor little dot. However, I am sure your GP will be able to refer you so that you can take whatever steps are necessary and just reassure her there's nothing wrong at all, just as she says - she's too young for a hairy mary so the doctor is going to see what he can do for her smile

As to the poster who said 'Why are you inspecting her crotch' because she's 5 and they tend to still be dried and dressed after a bath at that age. Don't you actually have kids?? hmm

BramblyHedge Sun 04-Aug-13 19:09:49

Look up precocious puberty. It is treatable if this is what it is.

hugoagogo Sun 04-Aug-13 19:11:21

Yes, take her to the gp someone someone in dd's class got them at about 6-7 I can't remember what help they were, but it's certainly the first port of call.

booksandchoc Sun 04-Aug-13 19:13:20

My dd is only 18 months and has premature breast tissue. The paediatrician who seen her said nothing can be done about it really, but if she grows any pubic or underarm hair, or has any bleeds she has to be seen straightaway.

That probably doesn't help much, but I would definitely take her to the GP.

Cat98 Sun 04-Aug-13 19:14:28

Yoni, what an awful reply.

Definitely take her to the docs, OP, how worrying for you.

treadingwater123 Sun 04-Aug-13 19:37:26

I haven't shown her my alarm, she's sitting munching melon before bed in her Cinderella nightie and hair in plaits sad little bubba
Ill ring doctors in the morning, sounds daft but her dad is at work and im dreading telling him, i know he'll be gutted too, she is his baby too and if anything he tries to keep her young as he's already gutted at how quick our kids are growing up !

sittinginthesun Sun 04-Aug-13 21:59:06

Hi again. Yes, they're going to leave it. It's not puberty in her case, just a hormonal thing. I don't know the exact details, sorry, but it isn't likely to develop further.

I do think it is worth seeing your GP and asking for a referral. As I say, my friend has very skilled medical background, and she is the first person I ask if I have a medical question. She insisted on a referral, and GP agreed - I think she was worried it was early puberty. She wasn't "worried" but wanted a definite answer.

YoniBottsBumgina Sun 04-Aug-13 22:23:36

Sorry. Seems I completely misjudged. I had no idea a 5 year old could grow pubes blush

piratecat Sun 04-Aug-13 22:27:38

it's sometimes known as precocious puberty, and can happen in children even younger.

It might not be precocious puberty, i am not sure how they test, if they do or whether it's a watch and wait at that age.

You must be in shock, op and not surprisingly. My dd has been early for everything, she was seven when she got her first pubes, and 9 1/2 when she got her period.

This was just early as opposed to precocious puberty.

piratecat Sun 04-Aug-13 22:29:04

oh and at age 7 my dd got that line you get from navel to groin in pregnancy, it was hormonal, the gp dismissed me as mad, but it was there!! It went after a couple months.

piratecat Sun 04-Aug-13 22:31:51

go see your gp. x

some info here

My DD is 7.5 and has had some pubic hair for a little over a year. We took her to see a paediatrician who said she is pre-precocious puberty so we have to monitor her weight gain and development and we go back in September. We don't make a big deal of it to her but I was really worried. She is a little overweight due to medication she takes for epilepsy (very high glucose content) and it could be why she is developing early so we have to try and control her diet to slow everything down a bit.
Take her to the GP to start with and try not to worry (I know that's easier said than done though!)

happyinherts Sun 04-Aug-13 22:46:26

Dont know what would upset me more -predicament OP and little one find themselves in - or crazily stupid and unhelpful comment of 'why are you inspecting her crotch' totally bizarre thing to say to the mum of a 5 year old needing advice / reassurance.

OP - I'm sorry fellow mums and women can be so unkind, have a hug and do please take constructive advice of others on here regarding GP

MammyKaz Mon 05-Aug-13 07:57:34

Treading, yes you need to see your GP & ask for a referral to a pediatric endocrinologist. It may be premature adrenarche which doesn't need any treatment & only symptoms are early hair growth & maybe some mood swings due to hormones.
However I would push for a bone age x-ray regardless of whether there are no other signs of puberty.
We've been going through investigations with DD(2.11) for 10months now (ridiculously unhelpful consultant) so please don't be fobbed off if you feel something isn't quite right.

StUmbrageinSkelt Mon 05-Aug-13 08:03:53

It absolutely needs checking out by an endo. While it probably is 'just' precocious puberty, there are a couple of conditions which must be excluded as they need treatment.

treadingwater123 Mon 05-Aug-13 09:25:09

Thankyou everyone, I've made an appointment with doctor at 11am today so ill update later hope she takes me seriously x

Sparklingbrook Mon 05-Aug-13 15:37:29

Hi treading I hope you got some reassurance at the GPs. Your poor DD. very confusing for her. sad

WeAll Mon 05-Aug-13 15:41:20

Good luck at the doctors. It must have been a shock.

hellymelly Mon 05-Aug-13 15:48:38

My dd is 8 and I have been going through the same thing, my GP said it is fine but I am still concerned. It is possible to have an androgen response and trigger pubic hair, without it being precocious puberty, so hopefully that will be true of your dd. She may well need a blood test and they will x-ray her hands I think, to establish bone growth. My dd aged just 6 had a blood test recently (for something else) btw, and although I was dreading it she was fine and it was very quick and straightforward. DH and I are trying to get more advice on my dd, but 8 is the borderine seemingly. below 8 they take it much more seriously. I posted on this recently so if you search you will find my thread, there were some really helpful responses.

treadingwater123 Mon 05-Aug-13 17:19:13

I feel confused by the doctors visit.

When we went in I explained that Id found pubic hairs on her and she seemed instantly concerned and commented that she was tall for her age.

Yet when she examined her she said she wasnt concerned as there werent many hairs (1 is too many for me!!! never mind the little crop of black hairs she has)

She said she was still a long way off puberty and she would be more worried if she had underam hair, periods and breasts too.

She then went on to try and give me a leaflet about precocious puberty but she couldnt get it to download so suggested i went home and googled precocious puberty.

No refferal or follow up

Not sure whether to feel reassured or concerned that its not been taken seriously.

The doctor is asian and said oh dont worry, most asians are born with more than that and its fine - again not sure whether to be reassured by that- my dd isnt asian (is very pale and blonde) and wasnt born with them!

So, still confused and worried x

I don't think I would be satisfied with that. Can you see another doctor? Does she have a school nurse or health visitor? (Sorry mine are tinies still so not sure)

PeterParkerSays Mon 05-Aug-13 17:25:10

I would make another appointment with a different GP, sorry but that's not good enough.

hellymelly Mon 05-Aug-13 17:29:07

I agree with another appointment, at five ,if it is precocious puberty they will give her drugs to halt it as otherwise it will affect her height and bones. She does need to see an endocrinologist. I would call the surgery, either make another appointment with a different gP, or just say to the one you saw that actually you really want to get her properly checked over to make sure it isn't puberty.

LittleMonks11 Mon 05-Aug-13 17:30:53

I would not be satisfied with that. If it was me I'd make an appt to see another doctor and push for a referral to see an paediatrician. We have just been referred for DD 2.0 with budding breasts (premature thelarche probably). Just for reassurance and possibly some tests.

Sparklingbrook Mon 05-Aug-13 17:33:33

Oh no treading that's very disappointing. sad Second opinion I think.

Mmmnotsure Mon 05-Aug-13 17:41:57

Just lost a long post. But summary:

GPs are just that. Generalists and the first port of call, but in unusual situations they should not be the only one - then they are the gatekeepers to the experts.

Unfounded/inappropriate reassurance is dangerous, and doctors in training are warned about that.

You are still worried and this is potentially a big thing for your daughter to deal with.

Ask to be referred to a specialist. As you have just seen the GP, you may be able to do this by phoning the practice. Otherwise, make an appointment with another partner if you can. In any case, make sure you are referred. Trust your instincts and insist - it's fine to do that, in this case.

treadingwater123 Mon 05-Aug-13 17:57:14

I came away thinking if there is nothing to worry about why are you referring me to literature on precocious puberty, which tbh, is full of worrying stuff so i was trying to avoid Dr Google - my husband works in a local hospital wonder it would be worth him trying to get her in with someone there.

Sparklingbrook Mon 05-Aug-13 18:00:09

Yes, trading mixed messages I think. Why refer you to the literature when she didn't think it was that confused

LegoRelatedInjury Mon 05-Aug-13 18:04:28

Firstly, as it pissed me off hugely, what a ridiculous thing to say Yoni. The daughter is 5, not 15. It is completely normal for a mother to be familiar with all parts of her child, whether it be a fanny or a foot!

Anyway, OP, I can completely understand your shock. I would agree with the suggestion to take her to he GP but not to let your daughter pick up on your anxieties. Hopefully it won't develop further yet. flowers

sittinginthesun Mon 05-Aug-13 18:07:18

Agree - not good enough. As I mentioned up thread, my friend (who is a specialist medical professional working for NHS, does not google anything and is the most pragmatic person I know), insisted on a referral.

If it is puberty, you do need to know.

mignonette Mon 05-Aug-13 18:10:57

A referral. Five years old is too too young to even begin to understand the psychological ramifications of this. Insist upon speaking to another doctor and ask to be referred to a Paediatric Endocrinologist.

piratecat Mon 05-Aug-13 18:31:01

yes go to another gp and get a referral, just say you want a referral as you are not happy with being told to google precocious puberty, as when you do it actually says a referral is the norm.

utterly ridiculous.

i can sympathise SO much with the feeling you have right now.

Absolutely ask for a second opinion and a referral even if they don't think it's necessary - to put your mind at rest.

You could also try for a school nurse referral - your council should have contact details for them outside of the academic year.

LatinForTelly Mon 05-Aug-13 18:47:42

I agree with everyone saying you should ask for a second opinion, and that your daughter probably needs to see a paediatric gastroenterologist.

I recommend looking at the child growth foundation site which has a section on premature sexual maturation and precocious puberty. (It is also a wonderfully supportive charity for parents of affected children. They will help with things like seeing the right doctors if you have trouble getting referred etc.) They have a Facebook page too, if you're on that.

Good luck, it must be very worrying for you.

I agree with pps. You need another appointment with a different gp.

I also wanted to add support for you.

xylem8 Mon 05-Aug-13 20:27:21

Give Yoni a break! If the OP had said her DD had shown her some pubes (which is what happened) it would have sounded very different to 'I JUST FOUND PUBES' which does sound like a crotch inspection!

BoreOfWhabylon Mon 05-Aug-13 20:43:32

Yoni's post was unhelpful, to say the least, xylem8. As was yours.

OP, you've had good advice from others re seeing another GP and pushing for a referral to a paediatric endocrinologist.

treadingwater123 Mon 05-Aug-13 20:55:44

I think it was fairly obvious surely that I dont generally inspect my childrens genitals, and if I did Im sure I wouldnt publically post about it on mumsnet

Whatever the terminology I used, I came on here for support as it had been a big shock, maybe I could have termed it better but tbh I had just 'found' them after my daughter mentioning something and then me 'inspecting her crotch'

That aside, I feel unsure about pushing for referral after the GP made it seem as if it was almost normal for a little five year old girl to have sprouting black pubes? its not is it? it was as if because she doesnt have a full bush of hair and 34Bs there was nothing to worry about.

I dont want endocrinologist to be annoyed at my wasting their time if I insist on referral ??

You won't be wasting their time at all and no it's not normal. It's not unheard of but is unusual.

I really think after the mixed messages from your gp that a second opinion and push for referral is the only way to set your mind at rest.

Does your husband use testosterone cream? Because I read about a case where a man who did managed to give his children public hair through ordinary day-to-day contact...

Mmmnotsure Mon 05-Aug-13 21:13:12

treading - referrals are no big deal, they are the proper, accepted way forward when something presents which is out of the ordinary and beyond the scope of the GP. From what you have said about the GP you saw, I don't see how you can have confidence in her reading of the situation and her response. She may be right, but the point is she's not an expert, she hasn't dealt with the situation in a way that alleviates your worries or fully answers your questions, and a referral to a specialist is the correct and sensible way forward in this instance. You are absolutely NOT wasting anyone's time, and don't take any notice if you feel that that is being implied to you by the GP or the practice.

There may be a simple diagnosis here, or it may be something more complicated which will affect your daughter and you as a family and will need experts to manage it. The point is, at the moment you do not know which it is, and you owe it to your little girl (as well as yourself and the rest of your family) to make sure that it is dealt with as promptly and effectively as possible. Good luck - and if they say no initially for any reason, just find your inner tiger mother and insist.

FadBook Mon 05-Aug-13 21:17:38

Treading - if I was you, I'd call the surgery tomorrow and request a GP to call you back (not necessarily the one you saw) and explain quite clearly that you have taken the GP's advice and read the information on google as advised and wish for your dd to be referred to a specialist to check hormones and confirm either way.

I would be very firm that a GP (General Practitioner) cannot possible say this is normal for a 5 year old, or to compare to an Asian child, when she is blonde and fair, without checking her hormone levels.

Please follow it up. I had premature menopause (not the same but a unusual diagnosis, hormone related at 16 years old). I didn't get a blood test to check hormones until I was 16 but wished my DM had pushed for more tests when I was 14 when I knew something wasn't right.

hellymelly Mon 05-Aug-13 21:27:12

OP I found my dds hairs when putting some cream on her vulva, she was a bit sore there after a long time in a car seat. I pulled what seemed to be a large hair stuck in the cream and found it was attatched! My dd is 8 but I do sometimes need to "inspect" her downstairs if she is sore or itchy.

MammyKaz Mon 05-Aug-13 22:03:55

I agree that it's not an adequate or reassuring response to your DDs situation. It is something that warrants a referral. The response to my DD by one pediatrician was similar because she doesn't have any breast development. However I have pushed for testing due to her age & the results are a surprise to them. No definite diagnosis yet as she doesn't fit into any of their boxes but I've had to push for investigations.

Please do not be fobbed off or worry about wasting time with a referral. It may well be something very mild & even transitory but its worth checking in case it needs treatment.

piratecat Mon 05-Aug-13 22:09:46

gp's aren't there for anything more than more general health matters op.

It is your right to ask to see a specialist, in matters so obvious that it's beyond them.

Do not let one gp make you feel as tho you making a fuss. You could have just as easily seen a gp who said 'yes i agree it is worth you being referred'

That is mine and many others experience of the inconsistency of gp care, due to what ever reasons. Not a pop at gp's but i have had enough experience of doctors talking very different advice for the same presentation.

NotSpartacus Mon 05-Aug-13 22:11:02

Treading, another one here saying you should get a referral to an endocrinologist who will do tests to rule out the less good things that can cause this. FWIW, it is entirely possible that it is just an isolated thing (Dds doctor described it as a variant of normal). But best to be sure and I think easiest and best for the tests to be ordered and results reviewed by a specialist.

Definitely pester for a referral. I found some pubes on my baby when he was a few months old, imagine that! So freaky! Got a referral and loads of tests done including bone scans. One blood test showed slightly raised levels of androgens I think but not hugely raised, which ruled out more serious conditions. She said that she suspected they would just disappear eventually, which they did within a few months, but I still felt funny about grandparents changing his nappy etc till they went. I was told that some babies take on more of their mother's hormones in the womb which can have some unusual effects like the pube growth. I myself have polycystic ovary syndrome - cant remember whether the consultant said there was a connection between my hormone condition and my son's now - all seems so long ago. He is 7 now and still hair-free!

I would definitely push for some tests.

LatinForTelly Mon 05-Aug-13 22:36:44

Doh! 'paediatric gastroenterologist' <thumps head on desk>

Of course, I meant paed endocrinologist. Mixed up the two docs my son sees. Sorry.

I understand your reticence; we always worry we're 'making a fuss' don't we, but like PPs have said, it definitely sounds like she needs to be assessed by a specialist.

treadingwater123 Mon 05-Aug-13 23:08:20

Can't thank you enough for the supportive messages - think ill definitely push for referral - even if its nothing and we waste ten minutes consultant time I can have peace of mind
I'll keep this thread updated x

Thesunalwayshinesontv Mon 05-Aug-13 23:14:43

Deinutely a referral. And Asian babies are NOT born with any hair near their genitals - just like all other babies. What a ridiculous thing to say.

Good luck.

xylem8 Tue 06-Aug-13 19:08:52

I found my dds hairs when putting some cream on her vulva...she is 8

You really shouldn't be doing this at that age 8 years old.She should have been doing this sort of thing for herself years ago.hmm

treadingwater123 Tue 06-Aug-13 20:01:49

Are you kidding xylem8?

BaldricksTurnip Tue 06-Aug-13 20:17:25

What the hell is the matter with people on this thread? Stop looking for inappropriate behaviour where there blatantly is none. Jesus Christ angry

lougle Tue 06-Aug-13 20:25:50

xylem, it's perfectly normal behaviour - unless they have a mirror, most children would not be able to accurately place cream on a sore vulva. They are children.

mignonette Tue 06-Aug-13 20:26:08

An eight year old would need supervising for application of creams for medical reasons for example. There are some people with over dramatic imaginations on here.

Sparklingbrook Tue 06-Aug-13 20:31:23

What lougle said. I don't have girl DC but i would have thought that was a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

cocolepew United States Tue 06-Aug-13 20:35:41

Xylem my DD asked me to help her put cream on, She's 11. Should I turn myself over to SS?
hmm

bellamysbride Tue 06-Aug-13 20:36:08

Seriously xylem I am never moved to post criticising other people's comments but yours are just strange. Why on earth would it be inappropriate for a mother to apply cream for an 8yr old? I worked as a health professional for a long while pre children and I would not have been at all concerned about a parent applying cream to an 8yr old. With regards to 'finding' a pube, I would be more concerned if a parent wasn't observing a small child's body for anything unusual during bathtime, helping bum wipe etc.

ChippingInHopHopHop Tue 06-Aug-13 20:48:08

xylem - you often state some very odd opinions on things, but this is shocking, even from you.

I actually hope you don't have children or I worry what messages you give them... very odd.

Dackyduddles Tue 06-Aug-13 20:58:01

Xylem how about reverting to lurking so we don't have to listen to your inanity.

(As I'm about to do to. Op wishing you well and luck with doctors. Thinking of u both x)

xylem8 Tue 06-Aug-13 20:58:43

I have 5 children and without exception the 4 eldest who are 8 and over could easily apply cream to their privates long long before the age of 8.It is wholly wholly unnecessary to do this for them
I work with children and if a girl of 8 told me that a parent was doing this I would certainly report it.

xylem8 Tue 06-Aug-13 21:00:29

I give my children the message that their genitals are private and apart from a HCP nobody else should be touching them.
This is truly shocking that you allow your children to think it is ok for someone to do this.

I showed my step mum my 'privates' when I was 10 as I was really itchy. Turned out I had a mosquito bite and she <GASP> put cream on it for me!! Should I report her?? What a truly ridiculous thing to say.

Sparklingbrook Tue 06-Aug-13 21:03:30

confused only HCPs? But not parents, helping to administer some cream? I really don't understand your thinking xylem.

xylem8 Tue 06-Aug-13 21:04:39

why didn't you put it on yourself?
Why on earth at the age of 10 did you want your SM touching your fanjo?

piratecat Tue 06-Aug-13 21:05:34

but it's not SOMEONE, it's their mums!!!

jeeez

my dd started her periods at 9 and a half, heavy ones too. I helped her wipe herself properly, and had to show her where the blood was coming from by pointing out where her vagina was. Because she was a child.

Then I took the backing off a towel and helped her place it properly, in her underwear.

Would you report me???

Sparklingbrook Tue 06-Aug-13 21:06:29

It has nothing to do with want xylem. I doubt Spotty or her SM gave it a second thought. Until now.

Because I couldn't see it. I was 10, why would I care?! It didn't even occur to me not to ask her to do it. Nothing to do with me wanting her 'touching my fanjo' hmm

xylem8 Tue 06-Aug-13 21:07:38

why on earth would you think your DC couldn't do it themself at 8!!!
I guess it is down to the way you have been brought up.Different boundaries etc.
Can somebody answer me 'why' they would want to put it on their 8 yo.Supervising I could get (at a pinch) but not doing something so intimate that they could easily do themselves?

BaldricksTurnip Tue 06-Aug-13 21:08:10

xylem8 I think you have massive issues. Your thoughts are of no benefit to anyone on this thread, let alone the poor OP who started this thread to get help and advice.

Ignoring the insanity on this thread (because it is insanity), did you manage to get a new appointment with a different gp treadingwater? I hope you get some progress soon.

xylem8 Tue 06-Aug-13 21:12:09

Ok well I'll take my massive issues and disappear then smile

My 12 year old DS showed me a spot on his genitals yesterday that was sore. He wasn't bothered, but I could have done with some warning. I was eating toast at the time.

mymatemax Tue 06-Aug-13 21:17:54

bully for you Xylem to have such able children at such a young age. Many do not.
Some cream really should not end up anywhere other than the intended area & need adult application.

I find your posts rude, unkind & unhelpful.

Just marking place as I feel invested in the op now x

firsttimemama Tue 06-Aug-13 22:07:40

You won't be missed xylem8

PoppyAmex Portugal Tue 06-Aug-13 22:14:18

Forgetting the cream situation, would you not routinely check your child's body for moles/freckles/rashes or any worrying changes?

DD is only 16months, but I fully intent on keeping an eye on my child's body/development as her health is my responsibility.

mignonette Tue 06-Aug-13 22:18:13

I wish I had a Mother I could have gone to with worries or concerns like this. You sound lovely all of you bar the ridiculous paranoia of one poster.

cocolepew United States Tue 06-Aug-13 23:27:33

Definitely push for a referral op. My eldest DD had a condition that can cause precocious puberty, so I always kept an eye on her. She showed no signs until about 11 whereas DD2(who doesn't have the condition,) started puberty at 8.

rusmum Tue 06-Aug-13 23:34:06

My dd had first pube at 6, now has a whole crop at 9. They were blonde but darkening

chubbychipmonk Tue 06-Aug-13 23:34:50

Ffs Yoni..ever heard the phrase 'if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all!'

Hopefully the GP can help you OP.

hellymelly Tue 06-Aug-13 23:37:06

Crikey! didn't realise putting a bit of cream on a sore patch of my small daughter would cause such a storm. Thanks all for sticking up for me. Rather stunned that anyone would think she should have been doing this herself "years ago"...how many years I wonder? I also have a six year old dd who is prone to getting an irritated vulva, she has sometimes needed to see the GP. If my dds weren't comfortable discussing their bodies with me, and want me to look at it if something is feeling painful to them, then needing a GP to check it would be pretty stressful . It is really hard to look at your own vulva properly! Never mind to get a blob of nappy rash cream in the right spot. How can it be ok for my GP, a relative stranger, to do this, but not her own mother? What if I was a nurse? Its very silly. Glad it was only one poster. My 8 year old can't tell the difference between being a bit sore and something that might need to see a GP.

Zhx3 Tue 06-Aug-13 23:45:20

Not an adequate response from the GP, IMO. They should be checking whether is is precocious puberty, or premature adrenarche, as true precocious puberty might need treatment.

OP, my dd had the following tests done:

1. Ultrasound scan of womb and kidneys to check for tumours on adrenal glands or advanced development of womb
2. Blood test (poor dd) to check hormone levels

She has premature adrenarche and will be seen by the consultant 2-3 times a year until she reaches age 8 or so, when puberty can be classed on the young side of normal. I've been told to tell them immediately if she starts to show any signs of bleeding or breast development - the other symptoms, such as pubic hair, underarm hair or increased body odour, are increased sensitivity to the sex hormones (sorry, I'm paraphrasing the consultant), but not indicators of true puberty.

It's a shock, but do push for a referral, for your peace of mind.

Nocakeformeplease Wed 07-Aug-13 09:54:19

xylem8 this is the girls mother not the next door bloody neighbour. You honestly sound insane.

frogwatcher42 Wed 07-Aug-13 10:05:58

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hellymelly Wed 07-Aug-13 13:59:21

frogwatch I completely agree with you. You articulated what I was also feeling really well.

Scruffey Wed 07-Aug-13 15:25:15

Xylem you are being very silly. My friend's ds, at the age of 18 years old, said "look mum I know it's gross but I am terrified that there is something really wrong with me down there, please will you look for me". She did look at his genitals to help him out. Some sort of rash or something. - do you think I should report them for incest?! Or could you accept that she was just helping him? Just as the op is helping her dd?

Op - either see another gp in your surgery or re register to a different one in order to get a referral to a paediatric unit.

Ihaveranoutofsteam Wed 07-Aug-13 20:35:04

Xylem - You sound suspiciously like Marietta Higgs, and as many will know that did not end well

I would be seriously concerned if you were a HCP working with children. You are the type of person who makes the most normal parents feel as though they are doing some wrong.

kelly21 Wed 07-Aug-13 22:17:12

Some things shock me if my 8 year old asked me to look at her i would she's not going to know if it needs a doctor or not my dd is 3 and i look at her bits whenever she's in the bath discreetly obviously when i had my daughter i thought i had an infection but couldn't service with a mirror midwife asked if there was anyone else who could check so i asked my mum because she's my mum lol lucky she did i had to go the hospital it not wrong

BoozyBear Wed 07-Aug-13 22:35:57

I'm an adult and if my dh isn't available will ask my mum to check things for me, hell, I gave birth infront of her twice!!

Girls ought to have a comfortable enough relationship with their mums to be able to show them and ask for help with anything concerning their bodies!

LauraChant Wed 07-Aug-13 22:57:04

I have something that would make xylem explode. My mum once helped me put a tampon in aged 13 when I wanted to go to a swimming party but couldn't manage the tampon.

The first time I got drunk aged 17 she helped me remove on.

She is a social worker.

IceAddict Wed 07-Aug-13 23:08:36

Someone I know has a daughter of 7 who is experiencing this have a chat with gp

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