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Alternative treatments for urinary infection, 6 year old girl?

(62 Posts)
Snowme Thu 02-May-13 09:44:24

My daughter aged 6 has a urinary infection and has been prescribed antibiotics.
I'm not an advocate of their use.
She has no other symptoms apart from pain whilst urinating every few weeks, which is quite severe. I'm also aware untreated or not treated properly it can have serious consequences.

I will administer the antibiotics if neccessary, but does anyone have knowledge or experience of alternative treatments? I'm not convinced blueberry juice or cranberry juice will be compatible with her taste buds as google search only seems to offer this alternative.

narmada Thu 02-May-13 21:05:10

Nope, not a clue. I would give her the ABs if it were me.... aside from risk of kidney scarring, she is in pain, which is not nice.

Prob not v helpful grin. Why are you against antibios?

ubik Thu 02-May-13 21:07:17

I would give ABs for this if it was my own daughter.

AnyFucker Thu 02-May-13 21:11:40

what alternatives are there to antibiotics for a bacterial infection ? confused

tobytoes Thu 02-May-13 21:21:29

Hi,cranberry juice helps the bacteria release and flush through the system. Could try that. I would give her the antibiotics from doc tho with the pain being severe as you say.

WidowWadman Thu 02-May-13 21:26:52

UTIs can turn very very very (I mean very) nasty if not treated. If they're bacterial, then AB is the way to go. Did she have a sample sent to the lab?

Also, if it's recurrent, they should look at further investigating what the causes may be.

SirChenjin Thu 02-May-13 21:31:40

ABs have saved countless lives over the years - I'm not sure cranberry juice can claim the same. Just give her the ABs as your doctor has prescribed, and make sure she drinks lots of water. As others have said, a UTI is serious and not to be messed about with.

Runningblue Thu 02-May-13 21:31:54

Lemon/ orange/ summer fruits etc robinsons barley water is good for neutralising wee- i swear by it for cystitis and any other sore problems in that area.

Eachpeachpearwherestheplum Thu 02-May-13 21:34:30

So painful! As AnyFucker said: what alternatives are there to antibiotics for a bacterial infection ?!!
Poor girl

LEMisdisappointed Thu 02-May-13 21:36:08

All of these alternatives are good ADDITIONAL treatments, Please give her the antibiotics, as someoene said upthread, a UTI can turn nasty very very quickly and you do not want this tracking back to her kidneys - This is not the time to be avoiding ABs. I avoid antibiotics if i can, but i actually have a packet of trimethoprim in my cupboard "just in case" I get a UTI as this is the only thing that works. For your 6yo you wont be able to get her to drink enough cranberry to make a difference and you don't want to be giving and of the treatments from the chemist they will mess with her electrolyte levels. I can't stress enough - give her the antibiotics

noddyholder Thu 02-May-13 21:40:16

Please give her the antibiotics. I have had renal failure not fun. And cranberry does NOTHING for an infection although it can create an acidic environment where bugs cannot grow in the lining of the bladder so as a preventative is effective but will make a bacterial infection worse

LoveSewingBee Thu 02-May-13 21:40:52

Cranberry juice doesn't work, you would need to drink litres and litres every day for it to have a marginal impact. There is some evidence that very very concentrated cranberry extract (pills) may work.

However, it seems a bit stupid to not treat your dc UTI properly because you don't like antibiotics. She can end up with severe debilitating kidney damage if left untreated ...

noddyholder Thu 02-May-13 21:44:01

I had recurrent infections and once they finally got me clear I started high strength cranberry tablets last thing before I go to sleep. I haven't had an infection since november 2010 My consultants are amazed and delighted as I was having them monthly in teh end

CheesyPoofs Thu 02-May-13 21:44:13

Urinary infections are horrid and really hurt. Don't let her suffer unnecessarily, give her the antibiotics and make sure she finishes the course.

myhandslooksoold Thu 02-May-13 21:44:38

My aunt had an untreated bladder infection, it eventually damaged her kidneys, she was on dialysis, has had a transplant and it will very likely kill her. So sad and so unnecessary. Please just give your daughter the abs

Springforward Thu 02-May-13 21:46:42

Cranberry juice has been discredited. I would give her the ABs.

cocolepew Thu 02-May-13 21:52:23

Give her the ab's, its too dangerous not to .

HamletsSister Thu 02-May-13 21:55:16

Please tell me you don't think a crystal, some lentils and a few berries are going to be the answer?

YoniOrNotYoni Thu 02-May-13 22:03:45

Please give her the abs. I have vivid (& painful) memories of sitting on the stairs with a pint of water, crying my eyes out while my poor mum tried to comfort me &my dad drove round the city trying to find an open pharmacy. If they'd've had abs they'd've given them to me in a flash.

I suffered from repeated infections as an adult & they were only properly tackled when gp gave me a strong dose of abs.

starfishmummy Thu 02-May-13 22:11:04

She has pain...... every few weeks.

So you don't seem to mind that she is in pain then? Give her the antibiotics.

Another one (and an ex nurse) saying please give her the antibiotics. You don't want her to end up with scarred kidneys, or eve kidney failure.

Bunbaker Thu 02-May-13 22:13:21

"I'm not an advocate of their use."

You absolutely MUST give her the antibiotics. In this case "alternative" therapies are inappropriate and don't work. There are some instances where the only recourse is to use antibiotics and this is one of them. You will seriously endanger your daughter's health by ignoring the doctor's advice.

DD used to get urine infections - two of them landed her in hospital. She was diagnosed with bladder reflux and was under the paediatrician for several years so they could monitor her. She explained very thoroughly to me how dangerous untreated urine infections are. They can track back to the kidneys and cause kidney damage and kidney failure later in life. Please do not gamble with your daughter's health.

DD was prescribed a daily prophylactic dose of antibiotics to prevent further infections. I didn't like the idea of her taking them, but I liked the idea of permanent kidney damage even less.

You aren't a doctor, so please take the doctor's advice this time.

Weegiemum Thu 02-May-13 22:14:12

Cranberry etc is a good PREVENTATIVE but they stop antibiotics working.

I'm a veteran if many utis and the kidney infections and stones that followed.

Please give her the ABs. It will stop local scarring and lots of potentially serious probs in later life.

Springforward Thu 02-May-13 22:14:29

I had recurrent kidney infections as a child and they bloody well hurt, btw, best to get treated early and properly IMO.

AnyFucker Thu 02-May-13 22:15:17

Is OP going to come back and explain why she is opposed to the correct treatment of her daughter's potentially serious infection ?

Once the infection is properly vanquished, it would be well worth looking at some of the alternative therapies to see if they will help prevent future infections.

Bunbaker Thu 02-May-13 22:29:22

I hope her daughter is OK. DD got so very ill when she had UTIs and it makes me quite angry when some parents refuse the proper treatment. I hate to think how this little girl is feeling right now.

Machli Thu 02-May-13 23:49:14

If i believed this, which I don't, i would say don't be a twat! angry

How dare you withhold necessary medication from your CHILD who needs you to do the RIGHT thing for her because she's a child and cannot do it for herself?

Weegiemum Thu 02-May-13 23:53:53

PLEASE OP come back and tell ud you've agreed to the antibiotics.

You must never have had a serious uti if you aren't giving them.

You do know that not giving them in a 6yo can lead to kidney problems, scarring, future kidney problems and stones (and believe me you don't want that!!).

Just give her the medicine!

DoctorAnge Thu 02-May-13 23:55:06

You must treat this with AB! It is b likely an eColi infection. Children can become seriously ill without them. Don't fuck about with a urine infection, seriously.

AnyFucker Thu 02-May-13 23:56:40

it's probably a journalist

untwist one's knickers smile

thylarctosplummetus Fri 03-May-13 00:25:16

Tim Minchin puts it rather well:
Alternative Medicine has either not been proved to work, or been proved not to work. You know what they call "alternative medicine" that's been proved to work?
Medicine.

Give her the ABs.

DeWe Fri 03-May-13 09:55:20

I have a friend whose daughter had a mild seeming UTI and thought she would flush it out with cranberry juice. 24 hours later her daughter was still complaining, so she took her to the doctor. In that 24 hours she had not noticable worsenned, but her daughter then needed surgery because one of her kidneys was now blocked, and only has 25% use of that kidney now.
Doctor said that 24 hours could have made the difference. Mother still feels very bad about it 8-9 years later.

Bunbaker Fri 03-May-13 10:23:04

Where has the OP gone?

narmada Fri 03-May-13 12:24:30

Hopefully to the chemist to get the script filled wink

Icantstopeatinglol Fri 03-May-13 12:31:30

My dd currently has a uti and her dr has referred her for a scan through paediatrics. The dr has also given her antibiotics which has taken some time to sort as the samples kept coming back contaminated. She now has the right ab's. Both drs I've seen have been very concerned about getting this sorted and referred for a scan to make sure there's no problems as repeat uti's can cause kidney damage! Please don't leave it. My dd is 2 and she was complaining of tummy and back pain and I've had her backwards and forwards as I knew something wasn't right. They are painful so don't leave it.

Sidge Fri 03-May-13 12:36:51

There is no evidence that cranberry juice can treat a UTI.

There is some evidence that in some people cranberry juice can prevent recurrent UTIs.

If you won't give her the antibiotics then you run the risk of her getting pyelonephritis. Don't risk it.

PS Saying you're not an advocate of antibiotic use is a facile thing to say. Inappropriate use of antibiotics is not helpful, I agree, but ignoring the potential benefit of their use is ridiculous. Antibiotics save lives.

NotWilliamBoyd Fri 03-May-13 12:40:47

Cranberry juice is of no value once there is infection present, in fact it will probably make the urine more acidic and even more painful to pass.

I'm hoping that this is not a genuine query, I feel very uncomfortable with the idea of a parent witholding important medicine prescribed for their child whilst asking a load of strangers on the internet for alternative ideas.

Snowme Wed 08-May-13 10:13:53

OP hasn't gone anywhere, just not Watching the thread. As a time-served MN regular of many years standing I know which subjects are flame throwers, and antibiotics is one of them. I don't come here for advice, just views. Please don't expect a response from me ontos thread, Im just here to read your views.

Snowme Wed 08-May-13 10:16:29

Urine tests have also shown the infection cleared after cranberry pills, so she is the some of the*some people* that it works for. GP prescribed the pills after I declined the antibiotics.

hazeyjane Wed 08-May-13 10:20:46

Ohhhhhhkkkkkkay.

My view is that it is really not fair to not give your dd abs (I am choosing the most polite words I can there)

Dd2 (5) had a urine infection over Christmas, which went on for ages unnoticed - until she woke up one morning shivering, sweating and looking like the girl from The Exorcist. She was delirious and severely dehydrated, due to the infection. The abs sorted out the infection in a matter of days, it took her weeks to get back to her normal self though.

wonderingagain Wed 08-May-13 10:21:28

Actually 6 juniper berries also works. You just chew them. It's disgusting but worked for me for a mild infection.

But your attitude to posters stinks OP. Defensive and ungrateful. Sorry.

OhWhatAPalaver Wed 08-May-13 10:31:43

Unfortunately ab's are the only way to clear up such infections without risking serious consequences. Please give them to your dd, after she has completed the course she can then take concentrated cranberry pills on a a daily basis to avoid getting another infection.

wonderingagain Wed 08-May-13 10:51:00

God I'm remembering the pain. It really is the body trying to tell you something very serious is wrong.

Snowme, your daughter's UTI cleared up in spite of your cranberry pills, not because of them. And honestly, only someone who has never experienced the excrutiating pain of bacterial cystitis could withold a safe and effective treatment (which would work within 24 hours) from a small child.

Given the damage that a prolonged UTI can do to a child's kidneys, I cannot understand why anyone would put their beliefs about antibiotics over their child's welfare.

Snowme - your child was lucky this time - the infection cleared up without the antibiotics - but you took an enormous gamble with your child's long term health and well being. It is your choice to take that gamble with your own health, but I genuinely believe you do not have the right to prioritise your own principles over your child's health.

Sidge Wed 08-May-13 14:19:58

A GP prescribed cranberry pills??

You're obviously not in the UK!!

sallysparrow157 Wed 08-May-13 14:27:28

I have been in situations where child protection proceeding have been used as a last resort to treat severe bacterial infections when the parent was refusing to comply with appropriate medical treatment. Choosing not to seek and comply with appropriate medical treatment for a child is classified as neglect.
Cranberry juice or pills do not treat infections. They may make the bladder wall inhospitable to bacteria so preventing infections but they don't actually kill the bacteria that are already there during a current infection. So they are worth taking as a prophylactic measure to those prone to infections but will not treat infections.
Untreated urinary act infections may get better by themselves in healthy people with normal urinary tracts. However they may not and may then lead to kidney infections which may need hospital treatment and can also lead to scarring of the kidney which will never get better and can lead to renal failure. In the short term, they are painful and unpleasant but symptoms improve within 24 to 48 hours with appropriate antibiotics.

Machli Wed 08-May-13 14:27:43

You've no right to "decline" antibiotics on your child's behalf.

You are neglecting her. Disgusting.

MirandaWest Wed 08-May-13 15:47:34

I once had a kidney infection after a urine infection (which was being treated). Was one of the most painful things ever - worse than childbirth I think. Fine, your DD is ok now but please investigate why she keeps getting the infections and realise anti biotics used correctly are a good thing.

YoniOrNotYoni Wed 08-May-13 18:11:59

Oh-kay, so the op is rude as well as ignorant? Glad I posted a personal response to that.

PoppadomPreach Wed 08-May-13 18:19:38

I fear for your poor child. You appear to be incapable of putting her welfare before your unfounded and immoral principles.

I fine your attitude to your daughter, utterly irresponsible and abhorrent.

wonderingagain Wed 08-May-13 19:07:49

To be fair though, her GP prescribed her the cranberry pills, that doesn't mean she's refusing treatment. The GP is prescribing inappropriate treatment and surely should take the rap if there were accusations of neglect?

Machli Wed 08-May-13 19:15:00

He prescribed them AFTER OP declined AB's. Both at fault IMO.

Sidge Wed 08-May-13 19:45:43

I find it hard to believe any GP prescribed cranberry pills.

Unless the OP has a private GP or isn't in the UK.

wonderingagain Wed 08-May-13 19:52:59

You do get GPs in the UK who do homeopathy but mine was trained in Germany where they do it as a matter of course.

lljkk Wed 08-May-13 19:57:05

The scarring shit is very scary. They can need a kidney transplant as adults just because of bad UTIs as little girls. I strongly don't like antiBs either, but I'd rather them than risk a transplant need.

For ME, if I think I have a twinge of infection, I will go ask a chemist for that super acidic drink you can get, and see how it goes. But I am more careful with DD. Only have the one DD.

BlueBumedFly Wed 08-May-13 19:59:24

Instead of looking for the eternal 'cure' outside antibs, wouldn't time be better spent trying to find out why she has recurrent pain? Constipation can lead to UTIs in little girls, something to do with reversed flow

BlueBumedFly Wed 08-May-13 20:01:56

Instead of looking for the eternal 'cure' outside antibs, wouldn't time be better spent trying to find out why she has recurrent pain? Constipation can lead to UTIs in little girls, something to do with reversed flow (I'm sure one of the more qualified could explain) or does she have a case of worms? That causes uti type pain in girls as they go round the front too (sorry TMI I realise).

When your child is old enough to make decisions about her own use of antibs then she can take them or not, in the meantime it's your job to protect her from damaging her kidneys!

ClayDavis Thu 09-May-13 10:47:02

In my experience, mild UTIs can clear up on their own. They can also look as though they have cleared up but not all the bacteria has gone. This will lead to what looks like repeated infections but is in fact the same infection.

Fortunately there's almost certainly a solution to this problem. Give her the antibiotics. She must be in horrendous pain.

lljkk Thu 09-May-13 13:51:41

She may well not be in agony, I know a few cases of girls with chronic infections (because they refused prescribed antiBs, not because they weren't made available!). And they coped fairly well.

But it's risky. Too risky for me.

ClayDavis Fri 10-May-13 01:28:34

The last one I had I managed to wake myself up one night screaming in pain but I know they're not always agony. I've had a couple that were just a mild ache and not much else. However, the OP said the pain was quite severe and that seems unnecessary if she has the antibiotics that would treat it.

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