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my toddler has chickenpox...can I take him out!?

(67 Posts)
geologygirl Tue 23-Apr-13 15:21:31

I have a good reason. Ive run out of growing up milk and he wont drink real milk. Can I nip over with him in the buggy to the nearby chemist? He is into day 2 of spots so contagious. ..but dont know what to do. Im a lone parent and all family working. He is a bit itchy but no other symptoms and in good spirits.

Is it ok to take him??? Or am I putting the public at risk??

K8Middleton Tue 23-Apr-13 15:26:40

Don't take him out. Especially not to the chemist where you are more likely to meet an immunosuppressive person.

Do an online shop, ask a friend to pick some up or see if someone can come over and sit with him when he's in bed and go out for supplies.

I do sympathise with your predicament but chicken pox kills.

You could try warming cow's milk slightly? Mine won't take cold cows but will drink warm.

K8Middleton Tue 23-Apr-13 15:27:07

Immunosuppresed (autocorrect!!)

geologygirl Tue 23-Apr-13 15:32:09

Yeah he unfortunately wont take cows milk warm either. Tried that last night and have spent most of the day trying to get family to bring some formula over. Sadly work is a problem and they don't finish late! Soooo difficult!

He'll just have to go without then. Not much else I can do

QOD Tue 23-Apr-13 15:34:03

No. My dn is severely disabled from intentional exposure to chicken pox

SoupDragon Tue 23-Apr-13 15:34:12

He doesn't need the milk so he'll be fine. Apart from the itchy and crabbiness, obviously smile

QOD Tue 23-Apr-13 15:34:30

No. My dn is severely disabled from intentional exposure to chicken pox

BeGoodElliot Tue 23-Apr-13 15:36:02

Does your local chemist do prescription deliveries? I know mine does. You could perhaps phone and explain your situation and they might drop some off for you if they are delivering nearby. Otherwise they might come up with a solution for you to get some.

It's difficult being a lone parent during illness (theirs and yours!) so I sympathise.

Jinty64 Tue 23-Apr-13 15:36:41

Put him in the buggy with the rain cover on. Wheel him to the door of the chemist. Leave buggy (with son) at door. Open door and shout in for assistant to bring the milk over. Explain circumstances!

sillymillyb Tue 23-Apr-13 15:38:46

Could you call a taxi company and ask them to pick you some up and deliver it for you? Obviously you would have to pay for this but it might be a solution?

noblegiraffe Tue 23-Apr-13 15:39:36

Running out of milk with a toddler isn't an emergency is it?

geologygirl Tue 23-Apr-13 15:39:38

Thanks all. I dont want to make anyone sick which is why im asking! I'll phone the chemist as they do prescription deliveries...or he will have to go without. He likes weak hot ribena so I will offer him that tonight instead. It can be a treat seeing as he's ill ;-)

geologygirl Tue 23-Apr-13 15:41:09

Well maybe not an emergency to you noblegiraffe. Its very upsetting to my toddler though...

Thanks again all.

meditrina Tue 23-Apr-13 15:41:56

Ring the chemist and see if they'll serve you at the door. Or last thing, when there will be no other customers.

DCs often want comfort food (in this case familiar comfort milk) when they're ill. Or could a neighbour help?

Badvoc Tue 23-Apr-13 15:43:03

Hope you can sort something out.
Do phone the chemists.
They will probably deliver in the circs.

BeGoodElliot Tue 23-Apr-13 15:45:50

Maybe not an emergency but if I was the OP I'd want some milk in that I knew he would drink, he could become itchy, unsettled later on and the milk might comfort him.

Definitely ring the chemist I'm sure you'll be able to get some. smile

noblegiraffe Tue 23-Apr-13 15:47:57

I thought you said your family could bring some over later? confused

K8Middleton Tue 23-Apr-13 15:49:42

It's formula milk so why not get Tesco or another supermarket to deliver?

PoppyWearer Tue 23-Apr-13 15:52:18

What Jinty said. I did exactly that when I had to pick up a prescription with poxy-DS in tow. Ditto for the school runs for DC1 when I didn't have anyone else to cover them.

Raincover on the buggy and don't let him touch anything or go near anyone else. Warn anyone who comes near so they have the option to stay away.

This assumes you have had chickenpox yourself?

Chickenpox is everywhere at the moment isn't it? You have my sympathies!

geologygirl Tue 23-Apr-13 15:59:09

No family cant bring later. They all finish work after 9 so will be too late for him tonight. Ive rung the chemist and they say im okay to come to the front door at around 7pm. Its quiet then and they can pass the milk over. Phew!!! I really didn't want more tears at tonight, especially when he already feels a bit rubbish!

geologygirl Tue 23-Apr-13 16:03:52

And yes I've already had it as a kid. I will keep him well covered when I pop over. We won't touch anybody. Its literally across the road so very quick! The chemist has been very nice and understanding.

twojumpingbeans Tue 23-Apr-13 16:53:26

No. Stay at home, ask a neighbour to help. Or anyone! This makes me very very cross that anyone could consider going out with chicken pox. My DD2 could become very very poorly with chicken pox. Stay at home please.

I think for some people they have no choice but to pop out, I think the OP is one of these cases, she has said that she is popping across the road when it is quiet, covering her child as much as possible and the staff will bring the milk out for her. When I was a lone parent I had absolutely no one to ask, it can be really hard, I cant see that she has much choice tbh.

OP, hope your ds gets over it soon, I`m thinking my ds might be coming down with CP, there are cases in his nursery and hes not himself today at all, I`m on spot watch sad (naturally he`ll get it as the sun is shining)

crashdoll Tue 23-Apr-13 18:03:11

Even with a buggy cover, please don't risk it. I know he's miserable without milk and that's horrible for you both but it's not urgent. If family could drop it over later, he'd only have to wait until tomorrow morning. I'm sorry but this is a choice and it can wait. Please don't do it.

Oh give the OP a break. Chicken pox is infectious through close contact. She isn't putting anybody at risk by taking a child outside and keeping him in the buggy and away from people. The chemist knows the score and she isn't even going in to the shop.
Chicken pox is endemic at this time of year. The risk is there in the community. The only thing that will change that is not a single parent sitting miserably at home whilst her child cries for milk, it's vaccination.

crashdoll Tue 23-Apr-13 18:11:57

Chicken pox unintentionally in the community is different. Being immunsuppressed, I take risks every day because I want to life a normal life. People who don't live with the fear of catching something horrible are blind to it.

I really dont think the op ds will be a risk, theres really not anymore she can do. Shes already said that no one can drop any over, she minimising any risk as much as she can, which is a lot more than many people do.

MrsHoarder Tue 23-Apr-13 18:15:22

That sounds like a good solution op. Hope your ds feel better soon.

crashdoll Tue 23-Apr-13 18:17:55

It's already 6 pm, he could wait till tomorrow?

Sirzy Tue 23-Apr-13 18:25:44

I think the plan you have come up with makes sense as their is no other option, although I would have probably just said no milk tonight and got some delivered as soon as possible.

AvonCallingBarksdale Tue 23-Apr-13 18:35:53

genuine question here - chicken pox isn't airborne, is it? Surely it'll be OK if the OP puts him in a buggy with a raincover on? I know it's highly contagious, but I genuinely didn't know that it could be dangerous for people other than pregnant non-immune women.

people are not going to get chicken pox from him if he is in a buggy under a rain cover, no close contact, do what you need to do.

chicken pox is airborne and yoy can catch it from being in the same room as a contagious person for 15 minutes. Putting him in a buggy with the raincover on should be fine especially if you are going to the chemist later on. Why not stock up on piriton and aqueous calamine cream while you are there?

AvonCallingBarksdale Tue 23-Apr-13 18:56:48

THanks, ilovepowerhoop, I really didn't know that. shock

crashdoll Tue 23-Apr-13 19:40:45

It's only milk. hmm The NHS advise keeping your children at home while they are infectious. It doesn't say, stay at home except for shopping emergencies. It won't affect you but it might affect someone else. I would have thought it wasn't that difficult to understand but perhaps people would feel differently if it was their loved one. I'll bow out now because I can see some people can't see beyond their own needs.

Shiraztastic Tue 23-Apr-13 19:45:59

Are you planning to give him the milk at bedtime? Do you realise that it is full of sugar, nutritionally unecessary and generally not a good thing? Toddlers can get all their calcium requirements from food (e.g. yogurt, cheese, cheese sauce, custard and of course, non-dairy sources of calicum, of which there are many). Drinking milk is really just a handy way of getting calcium into them, it's no biggie if they won't drink milk, provided you make sure they get enough calcium other ways.

I appreciate he may not like not getting what he's used to whilst he's ill, though. I do hope he feels better soon. Chicken pox is horrid sad.

PoppyAmex Tue 23-Apr-13 19:55:02

OP I'm currently pregnant and have been stressing about chicken pox and measles like crazy.

I've never had either and I'm petrified with the current outbreak - please don't risk it.

Crashdoll - part of realising the risks of chicken pox includes accepting how it is transmitted. The OP is not going to put anyone at risk taking her ds out for a short walk in the pushchair. She doesn't even need to go in the shop to get what she wants because she's planned ahead. Mums with kids at school and a case of CP in the family do the same every day. Or do you expect the whole family to miss school too? hmm

geologygirl Tue 23-Apr-13 19:56:57

Thanks for all the comments everyone. I recently got back from the chemist. I went by the door just before closing and the pharmacist had milk bagged and ready for me! Bless him! In fact he was the only person I crossed paths with as literally across the road from my house. If I had to go some distance or if there were loads of people out then I would have just suffered all the tears. Of course I appreciate its horrid and contagious but I weighed it up and seeing as it was close by and chemist was ok for me to get the stuff by the door...seemed ok really. If there was someone pregnant I would have done a u-turn pretty swiftly!

PoppadomPreach Tue 23-Apr-13 20:03:12

OP I think you did an entirely reasonable and understandable thing.

I cannot imagine how hard it is being a lone parent with a sick child.

I hope your DS gets better soon.

geologygirl Tue 23-Apr-13 20:03:37

And by the way, yes I know there are other ways for him to get calcium. He only has milk before bed because he absolutely loves it and it settles him!

Shiraztastic Tue 23-Apr-13 20:14:20

Please tell me you clean his teeth afterwards smile

PregnantPain Tue 23-Apr-13 20:17:58

She took every precaution crashdoll, unclench.

PoppyWearer Tue 23-Apr-13 20:20:12

OP, I hope you have a decent night, my DS barely slept with it, horrible. Take care.

I think while your ds is ill it would not be the best time to tackle stopping the milk at night, best done when hes feeling happy and contented.

Bless him CP is horrible and very uncomfortable, hope hes ok.

crashdoll Tue 23-Apr-13 21:17:33

PregantPain Patronising, much? I assume you know allllll about living with an illness that means you are risk of infectious illnesses and the fear that goes with you. Some people like you really couldn't give a shit about anyone but you and your own.

crashdoll Tue 23-Apr-13 21:20:34

Northern I expect people to follow NHS guidelines to protect vulnerable members of the community. It was not an essential trip, that's what is bothering me the most.

PregnantPain Tue 23-Apr-13 21:23:51

No, I don't but honestly, "Some people like you couldn't give a shit about you and your own" Uncalled for and not pissing true and I would ask you apologize for that remark. Quite the assumption to make isn't it!

FWIW the child was under a rain-cover and as a pp mentioned it is airborne, so unless someone came and stuck their head under it I am sure the spread would have been minimal.

I agree that it is risky, but you completely battered the OP with your point unnecessarily.

geologygirl Tue 23-Apr-13 21:27:56

Haha yes shiraztastic, we give teeth a good brush before bed....although I have to admit he wasn't happy about doing it tonight. The itch is making him rather grumpy!

Northern, Poppy, Pregnant, Dreams and everyone else - thanks for all the well wishes. CP is pretty unpleasant but I guess its better to get it out of the way. I hear that having it for the first time as an adult is even more unbearable.

crashdoll Tue 23-Apr-13 21:31:29

I wasn't "battering the OP". My first post was very polite and I got increasingly cross with people who think they know better than NHS guidelines and my specialists. If someone here specialises in infectious diseases or immunology and tells me I'm wrong, I will wholeheartedly apologise.

Yes, the risk was minimal but it was still a risk, that what all I was saying and you stuck your oar in with no respect for what it's like living with a low immune system. It's not like OP had no food in the house or needed medicine for her child.

if he was under a raincover and met no-one and touched nothing then what was the risk?

geologygirl Tue 23-Apr-13 21:38:27

Crash - it was essential for me to meet my son's needs, particularly when he is unwell and in need of comfort. If I had to get on the bus or travel up the road I would not have gone. I made plans with the pharmacist and it really was last resort after trying to ask family. I saw noone as I dashed him across the road in the buggy...only the pharmacist who knew I had a toddler with CP. And he actually told me I could come into the shop but I declined and simply grabbed the bag and handed over my cash. I dont and will not feel bad about it...

crashdoll Tue 23-Apr-13 21:43:21

geology I do understand you felt it was essential. He needed comfort and you gave it to him. You are his mother and I imagine you'd walk to the ends of the earth for him. So,I do understand that and I'm sorry your son is poorly and you didn't have any support. But please understand how frightening it is for someone whose child takes big risks every time they go out. The risk you took was very small but it was still a risk to someone or someone's child. I just want people to realise that and how scary it is and the consequences are much more scary than a child not having milk for comfort. Although, I know your priority is your child. And I genuinely hope he perks up soon, I remember having chicken pox as a child and it's bloody miserable.

There is NO additional risk from her taking her child outside. I am familiar with NHS guidance thanks. It says you should keep a child at home from school or nursery. It doesn't mean you shouldn't go outside at all.

crashdoll Tue 23-Apr-13 21:55:19

Northern - are you a specialist in infectious diseases or similar? I have been told there is risk by specialist medical professionals.

Did they also tell you to berate single parents making brief excursions out of doors? hmm

There is no way any medical professional has told you that you will contract chicken pox from anything other than close contact.

Possibly shops, certainly theatres and cinemas, nurseries, schools, buses and trains for sure are areas to worry about. Child in street in passing contact is not an issue.

crashdoll Tue 23-Apr-13 22:05:25

Did you read my posts? I was perfectly polite before people starting wading in with their unfounded opinions. I said there was some risk. I didn't say there was high risk. I didn't berate single parents, nice way to say "single" parents as if I'm discriminating. Christ alive!

crashdoll Tue 23-Apr-13 22:06:18

Also, if you've seen the many previous threads on this topic, you will see I am not the only one who feels this way.

PoppyWearer Tue 23-Apr-13 22:07:49

Don't feel bad, OP.

My own DFather has a suppressed immune system and I still think what you did was fine.

I had no choice but to do the school run with DS with chickenpox. All I could do was to minimise the risk to others as much as possible.

OutragedFromLeeds Tue 23-Apr-13 22:09:45

I think what you did was fine OP.

What Jinty said a few posts is is exactly what I would have done. The risk to anyone else would be miniscule.

narmada Tue 23-Apr-13 22:09:59

Taking a child with CP outside or not.... it's always a topic that kicks off on MN, and for good reason.

OP, hope your little fella is better soon. Piriton is the stuff of wonder.

Many people are not at all aware of how dangerous CP can be for immunocompromised people, and don't act out of malice, but out of ignorance. I really think it would be helpful to have more public information campaigns about this sort of thing.

PreciousPuddleduck Tue 23-Apr-13 22:14:28

I think what you did was reasonable OP & I would do the same. Hope your little man is better soon X

girliefriend Tue 23-Apr-13 22:16:22

I am a single parent so can really sympathise, my dd was about 14 months when she got cp and the worst part of it was not being able to get out - i was nearly climbing the walls!!!

What you did sounds sensible to me, I know someone else who left their 7yo at home alone when she had cp to get some shopping shock

OutragedFromLeeds Tue 23-Apr-13 22:20:58

'I know someone else who left their 7yo at home alone when she had cp to get some shopping'

That's another topic that gets heated on mumsnet

geologygirl Tue 23-Apr-13 22:28:05

Yes I realise it was just milk but he has it before bed and helps relax him. He didn't have any lastnight and was very upset...I didn't want that for him tonight. He needed comfort and milk was required! Risks to the public very small in my case...

I wouldnt have dreamt of popping to Tesco though!

'their unfounded opinions' - but they aren't unfounded. The opinion that the OP's reaction was reasonable is based on knowledge of how CP is infectious and on the precautions she was taking. What was unfounded was to tell her she shouldn't set foot out of doors.

QOD Tue 23-Apr-13 22:57:43

Have you given him some anti histamine? That helps with the itching.
It's a horrible illness, even a minor case is miserable

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