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If anyone can diagnose whats wrong with dd, i will love you forever

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Cos she is driving me nuts.

She is 13, and for the past few weeks on and off she has suffered with nausea. This has ranged from a slight sicky feeling to, sitting infront of the loo convinced she is going to vomit. She hasn't actually been sick.

Then on Saturday she developed a headache. It started at the back of her head, and was apparently the worst she'd ever had. Her head also hurt to touch in the same place. Painkillers did nothing.

She has also been off her food, irritable and complained of dizziness a couple of times, and had trouble sleeping.

The headache the moved to the front of her head, and still very painful.

I took her to the gp on Tuesday, and he gave her a very thorough examination but couldnt find anything wrong. He advised an eye test (which i'd already booked for the same day), and to alternate paracetamol and ibuprofen every 2 hours. He wants to see her again on Friday.

Eye test revealed a slight short sightedness and so she is getting glasses, but the optician advised to see gp again if headache doesn't go.

She's been taking the painkillers as advised, but the headache still isn't going. It does ease a bit, but keeps coming back, and she is still getting the nausea on and off too.

Any ideas ??

hellhasnofurylikeahungrywoman Wed 30-Jan-13 20:39:57

Hormones? Has she started her periods?

AnyaKnowIt Wed 30-Jan-13 20:42:50

Mirgranes? Could be triggered by hormones, any sign of her periods.

Could also be shortsightedness. My headaches (no where near as bad as your dd's) have gone since I've got my glasses.

CitrusyOne Wed 30-Jan-13 20:44:06

Headache and nausea sounds to me like migraine? Not everyone gets eye disturbances or other more well known symptoms. Mine are like this with the worst headache I can describe and debilitating nausea.

CitrusyOne Wed 30-Jan-13 20:45:04

Oh, and painkillers never work on my migraines. I have medication called 'sumitriptan'.

Thanks.

She started her periods when she was 10, so a while ago now.

Could be migraines. Ds (10) suffers with them, but totally different symptoms to dd.

She's jjust not herself though either, and the irritableness, going off food and nausea all started before the headaches.

The doc was a bit stumped I think.

lizzie712 Wed 30-Jan-13 20:48:45

Stress? Is something on her mind? Exams, boys, family issues? If she is off her food and not eating that could cause dizziness and headaches, is she worried about her weight?

permaquandry Wed 30-Jan-13 20:49:16

Agree with the migraine diagnosis, tho there has been a virus in my area since Xmas that has a variation of the symptoms you describe.

Myself and a friend had sinusitis recently, I had the pains, she had the blockage but we both were nauseous or vomiting too.

I would see how she is over next few days and go back to Gp.

Migraines can last a week and often with nausea.

Hope she's better soon.

iheartmycat Wed 30-Jan-13 20:50:59

May sound daft, but food intolerance? I suddenly developed an intolerance to onions which actually hospitalised me twice because of dizziness before I was diagnosed.

CitrusyOne Wed 30-Jan-13 20:52:28

I started with migraines when I was 14 and had traditional flickering lights etc, but in my 30s they were totally different. I saw a great dr who gave me a whole list of symptoms I had never linked with my migraines. Things like going really pale, grey almost, getting the sniffles, being really cold, being drowsy, off food. At their worst mine can last for a good week and I'd be bed bound for a few days at least. There are all kinds of triggers too- not all are food related. Stress is a biggy. I hope you get this sorted for her soon- I can remember how nasty mine were. Touch wood I've not had one since before I was pregnant and my Dd is almost 4 months old!

Goober Wed 30-Jan-13 20:54:57

I would also suggest migraine.
Did you say ibuprofen is taken every 4 hours? As it should be every 6. Ibuprofen can cause stomach upset.

CitrusyOne Wed 30-Jan-13 20:57:16

Try pink migraleve as they take away the nausea. The yellow ones are just co-codamol which you can buy much cheaper anyway, but the pink are good.

Umm yeh she is taking paracetamol, then ibuprofren after 2 hours then paracetamol again then ibuprofen. Thats what the gp said to do.

Shes just gone up to bed, visibly upset, with a migraine strip on her head, and more painkillers sad

As far as I know, she isn't worried or stressed.

She does occasionally go off food anyway, but she's never seemed worried about her weight at all.

Sinusitis / Labyrinthitis?

Dentist?

I had insane headaches, turned out I needed a root-canal. I had no tooth ache though.

aliasjoey Wed 30-Jan-13 21:05:11

my jaw nearly hit the floor reading your post, because my DD (10) has had exactly the same for two weeks. maybe there really is a weird bug going round.

she's had stomach migraines before (we think) and she says it's different to those. GP has suggested UTI - she thought it was hysterical to try and pee in a cup. grin

interesting idea about needing eyes testing.

Wouldn't have thought it was her teeth, as she sees dentist regularly because of her braces, and she recently had an x-ray of her teeth and they were all fine. Braces haven't been tightened for over a month so it's not that.

The gp said that if it carried on and he couldn't find a cause, he might order more tests. No idea what though

HDee Wed 30-Jan-13 21:09:39

Could she be pregnant? It wouldn't be unheard of at her age?

Alias - Dd hasn't had her urine tested, but had no obvious symptoms of a uti.

Perhaps it is just a weird bug then.

Hdee - The gp questioned her about that, but as she had her period last week and doesn't really have a social life, it's not likey. Thank god

ScillyCow Wed 30-Jan-13 21:15:28

Irlins Syndrome - need an optician that can do overlay testing, or ask if the school can do it. We provide this at my school.

Some info here

Can come on fairly quickly, especially if things are getting more demanding at school. Can cause nausea, headaches, migraines.

You haven't recently bought a new laptop for her / gaming system / something like that?

DameFanny Wed 30-Jan-13 21:15:34

Did the headaches start after she had the braces tightened? Could be a nerve pain triggering migraine?

Def not braces no.

Will have a look at that link, thanks.

clam Wed 30-Jan-13 21:32:37

Sounds a little bit similar to what my dd has had for the last year to 18 months. Don't panic!! It's greatly improved. She didn't have the nausea, just the awful headaches and dizziness. Episodic and she was perfectly well inbetween.

At one time they thought it was Chronic Fatigue/ME. The most recent prognosis is migraines, although they're nothing like my understanding of migraines. BUt who am I to argue with a consultant paediatrican?

Hmm she did have Post viral fatigue syndrome when she was 3. She'd had a bad bout of pneumonia just before she was two, followed by chicken pox etc and she was just completely washed out and so tired she'd drift off at nursery.

Thinking about it, this is quite similar, apart from the fact that she's not recently been ill.

thixotropic Wed 30-Jan-13 22:08:20

I had something very similar at that age. I now suffer with migraines. I also started wearing glasses around then.

Looking back I think for me it was hormonal migraine, with additional triggers of eye strain, exam stress and dips in blood sugar all confusing the issue.

Triptans - request the doc tries her on them- will soon tell you if it's migraine. They are not painkillers, only a migraine cure, so if they work, it can only be migraine.

aliasjoey Wed 30-Jan-13 22:14:36

I was surprised at the suggestion of UTI as she has no symptoms like that. I think we are going to have her eyes tested and rule that out.

otherwise we're back to migraines/hormones/virus. this evening she just burst into tears for almost no reason sad

hope you figure yours out soon!

Reaa Wed 30-Jan-13 22:15:58

Is she dizzy?

Reaa Wed 30-Jan-13 22:19:47

Just read through again and you already said that. Can you take her to an out of hours dr tonight?

fieldfare Wed 30-Jan-13 22:27:19

They sound like migraine attacks.
I had these around when I started my periods 11-12 and had to take long term medication for about 6 months as a preventative thing. They stopped for a few years and began again when I was 19 after a car accident but presented differently.
I take sumatriptan now for my migraines and they work very differently to painkillers, and a standard paracetamol or ibuprofen would not even touch the pain or associated symptoms.
An OTC medicine called Motilium works great for my nausea, if I take a sumatriptan and some strong painkillers within 20 mins of the first visual disturbance I can head it off. If not, I'm stuck with managing it for the rest of the day until I can sleep.

Your poor dd to be having these so young, it could be hormone linked. Maybe encourage her to keep a note of when they're worst and details of her periods too. Something to help level out her hormones might help, a good B vit supplement and evening primrose oil?

toffeelolly Wed 30-Jan-13 22:29:03

Is she eating her meal's often, not skipping meal's ?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 30-Jan-13 22:29:08

I have an intolerance to paracetamol based pain killers. It causes tension(stress) headaches term used to describe the type of headache rather than the cause and migranes.
I was diagnosed with chronic daily headaches cop-out diagnosis from about 14 until I was 18 when a random stranger told me to stop taking the paracetamol very random and a bit woo

I find putting something cold (ice) on the back of the neck where the headache starts helps.

Bearandcub Wed 30-Jan-13 22:34:20

Dehydrated?

babySophieRose Wed 30-Jan-13 22:38:18

Did she has had head injury recently? The symptoms are a match?
www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Head-injury-minor/Pages/Symptoms.aspx

babySophieRose: the OP said the symptoms have been going on for weeks though.

babySophieRose Thu 31-Jan-13 01:19:26

ThreeBee, I can read, Thank you. As you can read too, the symptoms my go on for months. Sometime kids do not bother to remember a fall or a bump...
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-concussion_syndrome#section_1

zipzap Thu 31-Jan-13 01:29:24

has she grown signficantly recently?

A friend's dd has had something similar to this and they tested her for all sorts of things. In the end they worked out she'd grown something like 8-9 inches in a year and that effectively her muscles hadn't grown as quickly as her skeleton had, so her muscles were always at full stretch, they never got a chance to relax, thus causing her the pain and the migraines.

She had physio to help ease the muscles and it seemed to help with the migraines. And had to tweak her diet to make sure it was laden with things that would help her to build muscle (but to make sure they caught up with her skeleton rather than bulk them up iyswim)

Apparently chiropodists can help with migraines too if you've tried everything else - if she is standing badly or has one leg slightly longer than the other for example, then the rest of the body shifts a bit to compensate , ending up with the jaw, neck and head all tensed and causing pain. Sorting out the standing properly means the muscles and skeleton can realign properly and then the tension is reduced and goes and with it the migraines disappear...

hope you manage to get it diagnosed soon...

NoPartyDay Thu 31-Jan-13 01:48:09

Get a 2nd opinion in the morning if necessary/ request referral to specialist for nausea/loss of appetite/irritability/dizziness/severe headaches.
A few weeks of symptoms worsening is a long time for her to suffer
Hope you can find relief for her and the cause soon

babySophieRose: there's no need to be unpleasant. I think that suggesting the OP's daughter might have a traumatic brain injury is alarmist and unnecessary. Which medical school did you go to?

megandraper Thu 31-Jan-13 08:54:31

babySophie wasn't being unpleasant! She was just asking. No-one on the web knows what OP's daughter has, people are just suggesting things for the OP to check.

If it did turn out that OP's daughter had a (even seemingly minor) head injury a little while go, then this would be very important to check out.

If she had, then the signs would have been spotted in the "very thorough examination" done by the GP, surely?

larrygrylls Thu 31-Jan-13 09:06:51

Are the headaches worse in the morning? Headaches, nausea and dizziness point to ears or neurological. Of course, it could be migraines but it could be other things which I would want ruled out.

I would ask for an urgent referral to a neurologist given how long it has been going on and the severity of the symptoms.

megandraper Thu 31-Jan-13 11:18:34

ThreeBee - one would hope so, but should never rule things out! If the thorough examination didn't miss anything out, then there's nothing wrong with OP's DD, but clearly she is worried that there might be.

bedhopper: you're right, and babySophieRose: I apologise. Sometimes it's difficult to interpret tone from text on a screen, so I probably inferred more sarkiness than was actually implied. Either way, my reply was unnecessarily harsh and I'm sorry.

Back to the reason we're here, I agree that a neurology referral seems appropriate now, and/or an ENT check-up.

cestlavielife Thu 31-Jan-13 15:49:59

is she able to go to school?
is she fine in between attacks? (if yes then possibly migraine route)

my dd has had nausea and dizziness since june- working non-diagnosis fo CFS but she doesnt quite fit...we have been down vestibular/ENt route - not conclusive... but a useful route to go down. they can do specific vestibualr tests to see if is inner ear.

Gp can order slew of blood tests to look at iron levels, infections etc.

refer to paediatrician if carries on.

pead can refer to neurologist

dd has had MRI which has thown up some structural anomalies which prob have always been there; scans have been reviewed by neurosurgeon who says nothing urgent; but now visual field deficit identified which is unusual -sees neurologist early march

DameSaggarmakersbottomknocker Thu 31-Jan-13 18:09:36

Nutty - is this the dd with scoliosis?

Cestlavielife - were the abnormalities in the cerebellum by any chance? Xx

babySophieRose Thu 31-Jan-13 21:19:41

Hi, I am not suggesting that OP's dauther has any brain damage, there is a difference between brain and head injuries. I am not medical, but I know, I wish I did not. Someone from my family almost died four months ago, because in the Hospital they did not notice, after few examinations, that there is a bleeding between the brain and skull. I do not want to discussing it any further. Apologies to everyone, just though it could be helpful.

babySophieRose: I'm sorry to hear about your relative, and how awful that bleeding was missed.

megandraper Fri 01-Feb-13 09:35:42

Sorry about your relative too babySophieRose.

ThreeBee - very gracious response, thank you smile

This is totally left field, but perhaps a blood test for coeliac disease? It presents in all sorts of different ways. Tummy troubles, tiredness and irritability are classic symptoms. Nausea and headaches less so (although my DS had intermittent vomiting, and I know another coeliac child who also had this pre-diagnosis).

Hi, sorry for the late update.

Saggers - Nope it's my other dd.

Babysophie - Thanks for the link. The gp asked about head injuries, and neither dd or myself could remember her having injured her head recently. Sorry to hear that your relative had such a bad time.

Thankfully dd is a lot better. The headache got a lot less painful and then dissapeared. We went back to see the gp again this morning and he said that he doesn't currently think anymore testing is needed, but that if it comes back and is accompanied by vomitting, then to either go and see him or go to a&e if headache is severe. If the headache comes back on it's own, then he will order further testing.

He said it doesn't think it is anything sinister, but more likely either eye strain, or migraine.

Thanks so much to everyone for all the advice smile

I'm glad to hear she's feeling a bit better; and that you've been given a plan of action if it happens again.

Badvoc Fri 01-Feb-13 20:43:10

I had this for a week not long ago,op.
It was horrid.
Could be the same viral bug?

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