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Eczema - any advice?(164 Posts)
My DD (5 months) has terrible eczema on her face - it's like an open wound, all raw and weepy, with crusty and flaky patches. It's so sore poor baby. We have had antibiotics, steroid cream, use emollient in the bath and apply Aveeno moisturiser often throughout the day but nothing has helped. We've been referred to a dermatologist, but in the meantime does anyone have any advice or suggestions for how to help?
Oh that sounds awful, poor thing and poor you. My 6 month old has it but just a mild dose.
The best I found was diprobase, aqueous cream irritated it and made it much much worse.
Is it worth investigating a food allergy? Are you breastfeeding? I am and was advised to cut dairy from my diet. It didn't help us but might help you?
Also, what washing powder do you use? The ecoballs were recommended to me.
I'm sorry if they are obvious answers, I hope someone who knows more than me comes along soon
I know it doesnt help everyone, but sudocreme is my saviour! I layer it on until i resemble a snowman and the put long sleeve top and bottoms on and sleep like that, in the morning my skin is miles better. I do have to then make sure to really moisturise as it can make skin a bit dryer.
I have also heard that oats wrapped in a muslin and put in the bath can help.
Moisturising creams aree key, but I find that i can use one for months and months and then suddenly it will stop helping. So then I have to try and find another! Aveeno has been the best so far. Diprobase is also very good.
Thanks, melon yes I'm breastfeeding, and I did ask the GP if it was worth cutting anything out to check for allergies, but he said no as it's so incredibly rare to actually find the cause of it that it isn't worth it! I'd be tempted to do it myself anyway, but would worry about not giving my LO enough calcium, as everyone told me to eat extra dairy when bf-ing! We use persil non bio and comfort pure, but have done for years so wouldn't have thought that would do it.
TwoFaced that's interesting about sudocrem, the HV told me not to use it as it would dry it out too much, but might be worth a try anyway! Can you put it I've broken skin? I don't want to make it more sore obviously! It would be so much easier if not on the face, it's the one area we can't cover!
Oh your poor wee one
Dd doesn't have it anywhere as bad but NOT bathing her helped massively. I would give her one bath a week and that was it and even then I put lots of oil in.
Also no fabric softener and switching to a sensitive powder.
Actually, thinking about it. Since we switched to no fabric softener and a sensitive powder dd's only flare up was when we visited PIL and used their normal powder. She is bathed every day now too.
If its on her face and she's bf I would think about what's on your skin too. Are you using perfume? Anything else on your skin? <clutches straws>
My dr also told me that an allergy is very unlikely and you would see an allergic reaction in other ways before eczema.
Thanks comrade, we have tried only bathing once week but it actually seemed worse! I will try cutting out softener for a while though.
Try 50/50: it is white paraffin in soft paraffin, same as diprobase, but cheaper. Apply very often (DS had bad eczema all over his body and we used to strip and moisturise with 50/50 at every nappy change or every 3 hours, whichever came sooner) instead of aveeno.
Also really push to see the dermatologist quickly: ours prescribed a special steroid cream that cleared 90 per cent of the eczema in the first 48 hours. It was amazing and I kicked myself for not getting seen sooner.
What do you put in the bath? We found Oilatum made things much worse while Epaderm worked better. Also, short bath but every day, pat dry and moisturise with longish massage... Good luck!
I don't use anything other than sanex shower gel, as I am prone to eczema too, nothing like as bad as dd though! I'll def give the washing powder/no softener a go this week.
Personally I would avoid sudocrem: have tried it on my own broken skin and it stung so much I had to wash it off straight away
Thanks Sui, the magic cream sounds great! Did your dd have the broken/weepy skin? I'd worry about putting something like that on top of it but guess i can check that with the dermatologist. We use oilatum in the bath and it does seem to help a bit at the moment, after a bath a good smothering in cream is the only time her skin looks at all better!
houseofbares sorry, but I think your doctor is wrong. Both my sons have cows milk protein allergy. Both had exzema and it cleared up for both of them when giving up dairy. It's was on the advice of the paediatrician in the hospital.
There are plenty of other ways to get calcium.
If you do decide to give up dairy, it would take a couple of weeks for it to be out of yours and babies system.
I suffer really bad with dry skin always have nothing that the doctor gives me helps the only thing I find helps is rapeseed oil massaged in to the skin(also great for stretch marks) ive used it on all 4 of my DC I put it in cotton wool an wipe it around there faces.
HouseOfBears: DS did not have much broken skin but was 3 months and had eczema everywhere except soles, palms and nappy area. The dermatologist said the steroid cream was safe to use all over his body twice a day (in the beginning) and it would not matter if he licked it off his hands etc. He was head of dermatology at GOSH, so we trusted him.
DS was fully breastfed and I asked about changing my diet, he said no need and that it was a common mistake (among doctors too) to think it helped.
On washing, we already used non-bio powder and no softener and he suggested washing DS's stuff at higher temp (60) when possible, with an extra rinse cycle.
your poor daughter, I do feel for you. Is she too little for scratch/patch testing? I found out through patch testing that I was allergic to one of the ingredients in some hydrocortisone creams so once I switched things got better. Is she too little for antihistamines? My DS was prescribed some when he developed patches of eczema when he was about one as it helped him to sleep without scratching too much. Have you any pets? Sometimes pet dander or dust can exacerbate- at least it does with me.
I can get terrible eczema, which can flare up at any time particularly in this cold weather. Use non- bio washing powder for sensitive skins and I find Lenor allergy controlled conditioner ok. I always swear by an extra rinse plus on the washing cycle as well for everything, towels, bedding etc...
With moisturisers it's trial and error and finds one that suits you. Acqueous cream and E45 gives me an allergic reaction.
Speizia are an organic company based in Falmouth & their baby products are fab! The baby salve is great for excema, diaper rash etc.
My daughter developed eczema as you describe at 6 months, it was awful. We tried many different things but the 3 things that have worked for us are doublebase gel used with eczemol as an emoliant. we also use fungiderm for any spot that look inflamed. Her skin is almost perfect now but we still used the first two creams twice everyday or it does come back. Its keeping the skin moisturised that is important. I would particularly recommend the eczemol, it is quite new and is a miracle cream! Also absolutely nothing except water in the bath and try to get washing powder like surcare or we use aldi non bio.
Changing washing powder to anything else results in my daughters skin coming out in bright red welts. It takes a while but hopefully you will find a system that will work for your dd
Try Salcura. They have both a spray and a cream. Worked wonders for us when DS was very bad. A bit expensive, but worth every pennny, and we stopped it and switched to other things when he was over the worst of it. You can probably get some free samples from their website - I even got samples from the pharmacy at the time, but was a couple years ago. Hope you find something that works.
I wouldnt use sanex or any other conventional shower/bath stuff.
Look for stuff without SLES in it (more widely available now - halos and horns is one brand). This made a huge difference to me.
Also maybe look at switching to an 'Eco' wash powder
Only have pure cotton sheets/blankets - this may make a difference.
Also some of the emolient creams aggravated me more than helping. Aqueous cream taht lots of people find amazing was a nightmare for me as it contained lanolin, which lots of the creams and things go and it seems my skin wouldnt tolerate it.
Olive oil in the bath ? Also directly on teh skin or other 'pure' oils.
I think it has to be trial and error. A lot of the things that work for one person will exacerbate the situation for another - 50/50 cream for example was absolutely terrible for my baby and made a mild flare up quite horrendous, but i know it works for others.
Aveeno cream has been the best thing for us - i don't know which one you've tried - if it isn't the Aveeno Baby Eczema Therapy Moisturising Cream then give that a go. They also do a bath wash as well which helped, though now i just make little bath puffs using rolled oats wrapped in muslin. We also switched to using ecoballs, and lather on the moisturiser if going out in the cold.
I also think it may be worth eliminating dairy from your diet for a little while and see if it makes a difference. I agree it is unlikely but does no harm to make sure. Ds does have a dairy allergy as well as eczema but i'm not sure the two are directly linked - his eczema appeared while he was still being ebf and i have very little dairy in my diet and no cows milk at all. There are plenty of other sources of calcium - soya or oat milk have exactly the same amount of calcium as cows milk, and other good sources are tofu, green leafy veg, almonds, brazil nuts and sesame seeds. If you're still concerned about calcium you can always take a pregnancy/bf supplement (if you're not already).
I've had eczema ever since i was a child. First of all, DON'T let the dermatologist fob you off. Do get her allergy tested- there is no point in treating it if it's going to keep coming back because of an allergy.
I use oilatum cream- i found aveeno irritated my skin. Avoid any soap with sulphates in- it's basically a very strong detergent. It's also in some toothpastes so it's something to bare in mind for when she's a bit older. There is a company called 'naked' who sell their stuff in Boots and everything of theirs is lovely and 97% natural. They do lovely kids stuff. Oilatum also do an emollient for the bath which is great and smells quite nice too. Putting oats in the bath is quite soothing on the skin, but in my experience, doesn't improve the skin itself. I have weepy eczema on my hands and i find putting a Zinc and Castor oil cream (nappy cream, pref. uncented) on it and putting on a cotton glove helps to dry out the weepiness.
I use Method washing detergent and nothing else (no fabric softeners). It's a bit pricey, but you don't need very much and i know sainsburys and waitrose sell it in bulk.
Apart from that, i'm afraid steroids are generally the way to go and obvs. antibiotics if it's infected.
I do home the dermatologist is fruitful.
my dd had eczema as a baby and now at 5 gets very dry skin but only eczema on her hands. Normal soap especially liquid soaps are a disaster for her. I have recently started her on Aleppo soap (pure olive and laurel oil) and it's a revelation - her skin has cleared up SO much. As for creams, Aveeno is the only one that's ever fitted her - others don't seem to soak into the skin.
I had a similar problem with my own DD when she was tiny & I was stumped as I was EBF too, she had the allergy tests & all clear - nothing the doctors gave worked & nothing else we did worked enough, I feel for you, as it was really awful as you just feel so totally helpless when they look so sore & nothing you or the doctors do really helps - in fact in my DDs case the creams the Doctor prescribed would often make it worse
Thankfully I have an old friend who works in alternative medicine, specialising in DCs, I don't see her often, but when I spoke with her she suggested it was something I was eating & DD was getting it through EBF - I eat a healthy process food free diet, but we worked out that my monthly cravings for cheap jelly sweets was the cause -
Turned my DD is intolerant to chemical food additives - - google Azo Dyes & Benzoate preservatives, & read the list of chemical additives/E numbers & the effects they can have - you'll be surprised - these can also be found in soaps, shampoos, & even medicines & creams aimed at kids - my DD can't have Calpol for example & the reason the GPs cream made things worse, was the preservative in it - my own DD is also intolerant to artificial sweeteners, they affect her stomach badly, so something to bare in mind if any tummy upsets too.
Intolerance doesn't show up in any tests, medical or otherwise, but is usually easily pin pointed with an exclusion diet. Thankfully these days ( my DD is now 10) it's much easier to find foods that don't contain these chemicals, it's just about reading labels & learning what brands are okay & not all E numbers are bad, many are natural & perfectly safe & many are labelled not artificial additives, though take care, some that advertise no artificial colours, still contain benzoate preservatives or sweeteners, which is a big bug bear of mine
As for soothing the sore rash, I've found adding Epsom salts, lavender aromatherapy oil, manuka honey & oats (tied up in a Muslim bag to prevent mess) to her bath helped a lot , or as its her face mix up a small amount to dponge her face & I even made up a lotion using the same that helped, though you can buy * Pure Potions* in health shops, which is similar & we find good, though Derma Spray is better but not until 12 months plus. & Sausage Tree cream - aka Zambesi Botanicus is a natural steroid cream that works better than the GP one, without the additives.
My own DD is still intolerant, but her skin is beautiful - unless she eats something she shouldn't of course & then she will have a sore rash flare up within 20 minutes.
Muslin bag - bloody autocorrect
In boots and super drug - great for eczema and moisturiser for grow ups too.
My sister and I both use it on our children from babyhood
I should have added, if this sounds a possible cause - I'd recommend finding out which of you local chemists can send off for additive free medicines ASAP as we hit a big problem with that as when DD needed antibiotics, the kids stuff made her very ill indeed, so ad she ended up in hospital with what turned out to be colitis - turned out the additives in the medicine were causing a skin flare up inside her colon, so trying to cure a chest infection made her very ill indeed & don't get me started on when she had pneumonia, the stuff they gave her to save her little life made her very very ill in other ways - so I wish I'd known ack then & was better prepared, but IME the doctors & hospitals just aren't -
now DD is older its easier, in that she gets the adult antibiotic capsules if she needs antiBs & we take the powder out & mix it with honey, she finds this easy to take & we avoid the colours in the capsule shells
Feel quite cross on your behalf OP! Your doc is WRONG in suggesting it is very unlikely to be food intolerance/allergy. This is very outdated advice. Eczema is commonly the only sign at this age of intolerance or allergy, and even the NICE guidelines advise doing a trial food exclusion for bf mothers.
I am a medic and mother of a child whose eczema was exactly like that at 5 months. I was also bf and had no idea it could be food related. We battled on with her not sleeping and clearly distressed (plus creams, antibiotics etc etc) until she was given a bottle of formula (to help her sleep ironically) and she had a full blown anaphylactic reaction. Back to exclusive bf and I cut dairy out of my diet.
But the eczema remained, always worse on a Monday which seemed inexplicable except that I only had eggs at the weekend. So I cut out eggs from my diet, and got a grip on her scratching with rigorous use of socks on hands up to elbows etc - within 2 weeks her eczema had completely gone. And when I say completely I mean completely! And as further proof, age 8 she has just passed a food challenge for egg and we have reintroduced it slowly. Cue the return of eczema for the first time in 7 years......
There are no reliable tests at this age, but I would 100% suggest you cut dairy and eggs out of your diet for 2 weeks and see if it improves at all.
Eczema is utterly miserable for everyone and I really hope you find a solution.
You have my sympathy, poor DD, I hope you find something that works for you. My experience is similar to girloutnumbered - DS (now 2) had terrible eczema from birth and we treated with emollients, bath additives, hydrocortizone etc which controlled it to some extent. He was EBF until six months so I didn't detect his allergies until he had an immediate severe allergic reaction at 6 months to food containing milk. His allergies (milk and egg) have since been confirmed by skin prick testing at St Thomas's paed allergy team. As I was (am still am) breastfeeding him I was advised by St Thomas's to exclude dairy and eggs from my diet and was given calcium supplementation for myself. His allergies are pretty severe (potential anaphylaxis) and he reacts on skin contact to anything containing milk or egg. Although it is impossible to know for sure if it is due to my diet or if he would have improved anyway, his eczema is much better now. In terms of emollients we tried loads of different ones but found Epaderm to be the best for DS - we used a combination of the cream and the ointment (ointment first and then a layer of cream on top) - after every nappy change.
Hi, when my son was born, he developed eczema and suffered terribly from it as a baby - we tried everything, including many homeopathic remedies, like many others in this thread. We have tried many prescription creams, diprobase etc, - I know it is hard, but I would definitely recommend allergy testing and you should push for it if the eczema doesnt clear up with the treatments you try - eventually we found out my son had a severe nut allergy, but was also chronically allergic to animal fur ( we had to have our beloved dog rehomed because she made him so itchy, terrible) - and house dust. ( Symptoms also included asthma, wheeziness etc). Food intolerance is another indicator, and specific food allergy tests are very helpful.
In the end, the saviour of his skin was epaderm, brilliant stuff, you can get it in ointment or creme form, also aveeno cream is a brilliant emollient. Recommend showering your child rather than bathing them if that makes sense. Do keep pressing for a dermatology/allergy check up though. Good luck.
It makes me very mad too temp but in my experience not uncommon - I had 3 different GPs tell me the same, even when I went back & told them that my own DDs problems were urticaria, as a result of chemical intolerance, they insisted it was Exzema & I was wrong, wouldn't even try sorting out medicines for her, I had to see the NHS nutritional therapist & she agreed & wrote & told them so, before they took it seriously - complete waste of an appointment someone more needy could have had, as I had b then already worked out the cause, but the GPs at our surgery would have none of it - very interesting to know its NICE guidelines now, as I still ave problems with our main GP - thanks
DS started to have eczema at 4 months. All over face, looked dreadful, became infected etc etc etc. we were referred to an eczema specialist nurse who was fantastic and worked with us to work out how best to treat him. You have lots of great advice here but the things I would add are :
1. It is trial and error. For DS NOT bathing every day makes it much worse. I know for others reducing baths helps.
2. Again, Aveeno was our saviour but it doesn't work for everyone. Try some of the others on here. If you find one that works GPs are helpful about prescribing it.
3. Pay attention too to what you wear and anyone else holding her. I had to avoid wool of all sorts and fleece type things which made it worse. Pure cotton fine (so enjoy the rest of the winter!). Muslins are good as a barrier if you are worried.
4. After about age 7 months the eczema moved off his face to back and chest. Only later about age 2 to arms and legs. He now only has it on his elbows and its mainly under control. This apparently is pretty normal, so the good news is, odds on it will come off her face soon.
5. Allergies are worth looking at - when I moved DS to semi skimmed milk at 2 his eczema reduced. BUT the key is to stop the itch scratch itch cycle. Keep her nails as short as possible and try to get wrap mittens (like tubigrip with just a gap for the thumb) which prevents them scratching themselves and go wild with the mosituriser. I endorse every nappy change as a good way to remember.
Remember, grim though it is, this too shall pass. You will get it sorted. Honest
Oh I got the mittens from GP on advice of eczema nurse. They may have to trawl the available products but they are SO SO worth it. If it moves to body or arms you can get vests and tights for them to wear at night under PJs which trap in the mosituriser and stop them being able to scratch.
Would agree with the suggestions to eliminate dairy from your / her diet. My son has excema from 6 weeks old, kept more or less under control with cream, hydricortisone, etc, but always visible on face, arms, legs. Saw the gp about digestive problems when he was 2.5 . I asked about dairy intolerance and she said his problems (foul, acidic, loose stools) were just an indication that he was ready for potty training . I decided to eliminate dairy anyhow, and the problems went away. A side effect of this was that his skin improved hugely. He still needs double base twice a day, but the difference is amazing. Try eliminating it for a couple of weeks, you have nothing to lose, and at worst, you'll know it's not that.
My DS had eczema as a baby and gets the occasional flare up in the winter.
First he was given Double Base, it was rubbish.
After much trial and error we found cetraben (sp?) bath emollient and Diprobase cream to be the best combination.
Oh, and hydrocortisone cream when it was bleeding / broken.
I've just been reading Liz Earle's book called Vital Oils and she talks about taking Linseed oil, or Oil of evening promrose for adult females (she cured her own bad eczema with it.)
The reason being that there is some GLA (gamma linoleic acid) in Breast milk but because our bodies don't manufacture it we sometimes don't have enough hence the eczema. So houseof bears you could start taking it and maybe put a little on yr L.O's face and or mix a some in with his food.
rockinhippy I totally agree about the additives that are in EVERYTHING; I was eating the odd so called healthy herbal sweet and getting large red spots on my legs and as I follow a very careful WOE I traced it to the aspartame in the ricola sweet and sure enough I was right . Yet they bung it in everything including non sugar squashes for DCs.
Agree with it being hit and miss. We've all got sensitive skin to some varying degrees and different things work for us all.
We only use either surcare or Ecover wash powder/liquid for clothes and the Ecover washing up liquid (although that still causes problems.) I used to be a support worker, they used other detergents and I'd have to wear gloves to fold the washing. No softener as the whole point of that is it stays on the clothes.
My son is 15mo and he gets eczema everywhere, but we've recently been smothering him in almond oil and it's made a huge difference. His skin is still dry in patches, but it's not getting as sore as it was. My husband and I both get eczema on our hands and as a result our eczema is better too. We don't have nut allergies, but obviously you'd need to be wary if you do.
Keep trying different things until you find something that works. We were prescribed diprobase at first by one GP. When applying it to my son he SCREAMED I thought he just didn't like having cream applied, but I had to wash my hands as they stung afterwards so it was obviously affecting him the same. We switch to Emulsifying Ointment and he was happy to have the cream on.... in fact he puts it on himself... liberally if he gets chance.
I second MrsLionHeart Salcura Gentle Spray worked wonders for both my DCs who had terrible eczema.
Both DCs eczema has gone completly. I use the Salcura spray once a day, if i stop using it after a couple of weeks the eczema comes back.
And i second a second rinse cycle on your washing machine.
I am a bit dismayed at some of the advice on this thread. My DD2 had eczema from when she was a small baby and we too were fobbed off by the GP. However, when she finally had an anaphylactic reaction aged 11 months, we saw a specialist and her allergies to nuts and egg were diagnosed (incidentally, they can do scratch tests on babies. It takes minutes!) However, just cutting items from your or her diet and seeing what happens is not always the best advice - according to our allergy consultant - and keep her moisturised with Diprobase at all times. You can get it prescribed.
Hi, my DS had similar, red weeping cheeks. As other have said, it's trial and error. At one point I had enough lotions and potions in my cupboard to open my own pharmacy.
I'd also second pushing for a dermatology referral ASAP, they were very supportive and we had really good results under their care. Ds's cleared up by the time he was about 1 and we've been clear since then.
Yes ShadyLadyT skin prick tests are quick but are not considered reliable at this age. Most allergy specialists would do bloods at this age for IgE antibodies instead - that is what the evidence suggests.
Not sure why you are dismayed? It is perfectly sensible advice for a bfing mother to cut out dairy and eggs from her diet for 2 weeks, as a trial.
We are not suggesting cutting out food groups from a child (although that may be necessary later under the advice of a dietician), but from an adult who can replace them with other sources of calcium and protein.
My DS had terrible eczema as a baby. A friend asked me if we used a certain well-known brand of eco-washing powder. We did, and she told me to stop immediately and switch to something else. We did, in fact we started using the hypoallergenic stuff from Boots, and the eczema cleared up. Completely. Never returned. This was after trying hydrocortisone cream, Diprobase, and various other prescribed creams and medications. Very recently I mentioned this to a friend with 3 children, all of whom have had eczema since they were babies - the oldest is now 10. She also used the eco-product, but now she's switched to the Boots liquid (honestly, I don't work for or have any connection with Boots and I am normally very pro anything eco!) and she says that for the first time ever her kids' eczema is diminishing.
Sadly aveeno started making DS's eczema worse so I would use something else. Apologies if this had already been said.
I use epaderm ointment on him and it is now managed well in that we only use steroid about once every two weeks instead of daily. I will try the linseed oil now as well thanks to this thread.
Poor you and poor Dd. Steroids and epaderm work on Ds but the best advice I can give you is ScratchSleeves - Google them - they're so simple but they break the scratching cycle. Really helped Ds as a baby.
dd manages her eczema quite well now but every child is different and some children will react worse than others.
What I can say is that usually child eczema does ease off as they grow older. There are exceptions but the chances are that your child will grow out of it.
dd is now 12 and we've been managing her eczema since she was a baby. These are our rules:
No soap. We use Sanex.
No baths. She showers instead. The water is hard down here and that's bad for skin.
If you do give baths, put a drop of olive oil in the bath. That's all the moisturiser you need.
No perfumed body lotion or powder. Aqueous cream works best.
Don't shampoo their hair every time you wash. It can aggrevate matters. Try a non-silicone based shampoo and conditioner such as Tresemme or the Boots Naked Range.
Use non-bio washing powder and try not to use a conditioner as these are perfumed.
Often eczema can be controlled just by changing the environment in which you live.
It is a pita though.
I just remembered what helped DS's eczema completely (before I knew about the linseed and evening primrose oil) It was chickweed cream and taking the homeopathic remedy of sulphur also bathing in quite warm water softened with sea salt.
Aqueous cream has a perfume - I am glad it works for your DD THERhubarb, but it is awful for lots of people including my DS.
Oh I really feel for you, DS had terrible eczema from about 3 months to about 9 months, but since then it has mostly cleared up, apart from a few patches. It was all over him and he had massive raw patches on his face The doctor did say that he would grow out of it and fortunately for us, he did.
Every child is different but these are the things that worked for us:
-Emulsifying ointment. I hardly ever see this recommended but it really is great sutff, my mum who is a nurse recommended it. It is what most most eczema creams are based on, but it is just the paraffin in a more pure form I think so less liely to irritate (DS reacted to other creams). And its only 4 quid for a massive pot.
-Not bathing every day. I used to religiously bath DS every day and wash his hair, mostly because it was so greasy from all the ointment and I wanted bathtime to be part of his routine. But then we couldnt bath him for a few days because we went away and noticed that his skin was a bit better so we dropped some baths and noticed an improvement. Now he only gets bathed twice a week.
-Oilatum in the bath. We still get it on presecription.
-Hydrocortisone cream. This was amazing for when his eczema was at its absoulte worst, really cleared it, but you can only use it for a few days (we used it once before he was having some professional pictures taken )
-Sudocrem. Worked a bit when he had very raw bits, but is quite drying.
-Surcare washing powder and doing an extra rinse of his clothes. Surcare isnt the greatest at actually washing stuff but its very gentle. Also always ensuring that new clothes are washed before they are worn.
What didnt work:
-Aveeno. DS reacted horribly to this, he had what looked like burns on his body and it actually made me cry! Oats in the bath were not great either for his skin (although funnily he can wolf down porridge with no reaction at all!)
-Oilatum cream. It just wasnt thick enough.
-E45 cream. Again he reacted badly to it.
-Aqueous cream. I dont think you are actually supposed to use it as a moisturiser , although you can use it for washing.
-We didnt bother going down the route of cutting out any foods or anything as he started to grow out of it, although we do think he may have a slight reaction to raw or only sligghtly cooked egg.
Gosh that really is a lot I have written there! I hope that you find what works for you soon, I think a lot of it is just trial and error as others have said. I know how you feel though.
Another vote to push for allergy testing when you get to the dermatologist. One of my twins was exactly as you describe, and it got even worse once we started weaning.
He had a big reaction when we introduced cheese, and he subsequently tested allergic to cow's milk, eggs and cats. So we rehomed the cat and he and I both cut out dairy and eggs. The eczema has gradually improved but we still get flare ups. Tomatoes and Marmite (yeast) are big irritants for him, though he;s not actually allergic to them..
Cream wise, the derm prescribed Eumovate, a stronger steroid than hydrocortisone, and we use Epaderm or Hydromol ointments on his face as moisturisers. Dermol in the bath.
If you were wanting to try cutting dairy, I was advised by my dietician to take calcium tablets, but I was bfing twins so my calcium requirements were even higher than yours.
Good luck with it all.
Both my DSes had it as little babies but not much since.
With DS1 we found a cream which seemed to help - it was a diprobasey texture but it was super-expensive from Health Food shop. Diprobase would have been fine. We applied every half hour for the first day, every hour for the second, every 2 hours, then every 3 hours then morning and night over about a month. It went pretty quickly and only flared(s) up very very occasionally in winter now. I didn't want to use steroid cream because I thought it was the first step of a ladder to skin-thinning etc.
DS2 5% hydrocortisone cream for a week sorted it out. Yes, light steroid cream, but in this case there was only one step on the ladder....
So I would say if you find the right emollient cream, use it absolutely shedloads.
My son has pretty severe eczema and we have tried almost all creams. The best ones for him were dermol 500 and Aripro eczema mousse. Have had to use steriods too but these two treatments minimise the need for it. I agree with try dairy free and possibly gluten free also.
Both my sons had it as babies but they cleared up only for one to suddenly start it again at about 7-8 years old quite severely.
Humphrey that's why I said that every child is different and some will react worse than others.
dd can stand the aqueous cream. We get it prescribed by the GP for dh's psoriasis.
She has it because she has showers instead of baths so needs a moisturiser for her skin.
If you are bathing then a drop of olive oil will cut out the need for a moisturiser. I guess that's the same as these recommendations for rapeseed oil. Just don't use too much of it.
And please DO NOT cut any food out of your baby's diet without speaking to your GP first.
Growing children need calcium, vitamins, minerals and proteins and so removing any of these from their diet will not be beneficial. If your child has an allergy then he/she will need supplements to ensure they are still getting all the nutrients they need.
You need any allergy properly tested for in a clinic and not in a walk-in health food shop. You will then need an appt with a nutritionist.
It may or may not be down to diet. It could just be environment. It could be something your baby will grow out of. There's no harm in trying various creams and potions, changing your washing powder and even your cleaning habits but when it comes down to food, you need the advice of a qualified doctor.
Sorry, THERhubarb, I didn't mean to offend and of course everyone is different. It is just that aqueous cream is no longer recommended by the Eczema Society, but is still prescribed by many doctors despite having an irritant in it
there are lots of things less likely to irritate so it is worth trying those first
Fwiw THERhubarb both my DCs have a milk protein allergy and I have never had to give them supplements.
GirlOutNumbered - brilliant for your kids. But just because it worked for yours.... you know the mantra. Not everyone is clued up on food and I admit that if my kids had a dairy allergy I wouldn't know what other foods contained calcium, I would have to research it. A good doctor can tell you this and regular check-ups will ensure that your child is getting all the nutrients they need.
DS started to get eczema flare ups around the 5month mark. After a few trips to the GP and multiple chemist creams, we decided to go and see a dermatologist. She recommended dermol for everyday use (morning/ night/ whenever else on dry patches) and then two other creams for flare ups/ more irritated skin. One was synalar (I think) and there was another one w steroids. Anyway, we used these and his skin cleared up in two weeks. We've been managing it say to day using dermol and have had to use the stronger stuff a handful of times when it's gotten more irritated to nip it in the bus. Think the important thing is to try and find something to stop the itch so the skin can heal. And then it's about managing it to avoid flare ups so less itching and skin breaking and getting infected. Best thing was seem the dermatologist who knew what they were looking at. The Different GPs were frustrating. Good luck... It's so hard watching them scratch and be so uncomfortable...
Yes and I completely agree with seeing doctor, but then pushing to see a paediatric dietician. My dr didn't think babies could have allergies when breastfed. It was only when DS1 had blood in his nappy and I went to A&E that I actually got anywhere with him.
I haven't read the whole thread but the carrier bag full of products that I got from the gp made the excema much worse. A wise old woman in the village suggested that baby dd was allergic to lanolin. I stopped putting anything on her apart from oilatum in the bath and it cleared up. I was on the point of wrapping her in brown paper it was so awful and uncomfortable.
(Almost all of the products from the gp contained lanolin.)
I don't have a baby with eczema, but I've had it most if my life. The best advice is moisturise constantly. I use diptobase which is quite good but really greasy. I would be careful about using things like E45 it actually made mine worse (iam allergic to one if the ingredients). Don't forget to use the prescribed medication either, if it works keep on and on until it goes. If you leave it for even one day it will get worse. Avoid at all costs anything scented or fragranced no matter now good they claim to be, they inflame it. Things like heating and really cold weather do not help, but make it worse.
Use a pair of cotton scratch mitts in the night to help prevent scratching (not scratching eczema is the key, open weeping wounds from excessive scratching can cause infection).
If it gets worse go back to your doctor and demand to see a dermatologist. I was referred to one, they do a little patch test to check if you are allergic to anything and prescribe you the appropriate medication. I am surprised that a doctor has given you steroid cream for the face! I was always told you could not use them on the face. I found them pretty useless after using them for years, they ruined my skin.
I hope this helps, but please don't take no for an answer from the doctor if you know all if the above is not working. But most babies grow out of having it which is a blessing. X good luck xx
I've just read one of the other messages, I am allergic to lanolin too which is why I can't use E45. Your baby might not be but worth considering.
Just want to reiterate @TheRhubarb's point about not elimating foods without the advice of a doctor. if you think it is a food allergy causing the problem ask to be reffered for tests. The side effects from elimating food groups can be bad if not managed properly.
She's not eliminating food from the babies diet though, is she? The baby is 5 months old, nad presumably not eating 'food' yet! She's talking about an elimination diet for herself, not the child.
Tempnameswap - should have added that blood tests are usually done after the scratch tests, yes, absolutely.
Cutting things from the diet - one should never do it with a child except under medical supervision, as has been said above; however, even a bf mother might need extra guidance about her diet. It's so easy to become deficient in calcium.
she shouldn't be eliminating anything from her diet.
I'm glad you've got confidence in docs. ethelb None i've ever been to have known what the hell to do with eczema or asthma apart from throw steroids and or ABs at it. Both of which are no help in the long term and are being over used. I cured my DS's eczema (and asthma BTW) with alternatives.
Er... just to reiterate - it is perfectly safe for the OP herself to eliminate dairy and egg from her own diet for 2 weeks to see if it makes a difference to her bf baby.
It may well hold the key.
It sounds as if her GP is not up to date with current thinking over allergens in breast milk so she is unlikely to get medical advice to eliminate these foods whilst breast feeding.
Whilst waiting for the dermatology appt (which may be ages) it is perfectly ok to do a 2 week elimination diet herself. For 2 weeks you wouldn't need to take any supplements. I say this as a medic and someone who has been advised exactly this (by allergy specialists) having waited 100 years for referrals.
Will dig out the NICE guidelines...
No Shady, in this age group (5 months) blood tests are done instead of skin prick tests which are not considered reliable (too many false positives and negatives).
Calcium deficiency is not a risk for the mother over the period of a 2 week trial......
I feel a bit exasperated tbh. This is an area where there is a lot of misinformation, not least from GPs, and families are struggling on with the worng advice. Please don't let MN perpetuate it too!
How on earth do you think vegan or vegetarian mothers manage, or those with an allergy of their own that means they have to eliminate a food group? Of course it requires some common sense. If you are not going to be getting essential nutrients from one source then you need to get them from another - if you don't know what these are it is not exactly difficult to find out.
No opinion on here is a substitute for proper medical advice, but this thread has shown, if anything, how variable the advice you get from the gp can be. It is not always easy to get a referal, and the simple truth is that with eczema there are no simple 'right' answers, and any hcp worth their salt will tell you this. You keep going until you find something that works for your child, while consulting, of course, medical professionals.
See here for a flow chart from the NICE guidelines.
Eczema (atopic dermatitis) is considered a possible sign of a problem with cow's milk protein allergy. And a trial of a diet excluding cow's milk and egg in the bfing mother (for 4 weeks actually for eczema) the correct course of action. (They do recommend a calcium supplement though, although I would suggest that would be more important longer term than just for a short trial).
@mostly they will probably already have a lifetimes worth of info on how to maintain an health diet. They will also know what certin products are 'contaminated' with the product you are trying to avoid.
How many 'lactose intolerance' threads have we seen with people who still eat dairy milk? Its not as simple as just stopping eating a few things.
@ppeatfruit silly me for believing evidence based medicine. Drs have always been frank with me about the diversity of possible causes, complications and treatments for eczema/asthma actually.
ethelb - but lactose intolerance is completely different and would be most likely to cause gastrointestinal symptoms, not eczema. Actually in this age group cow's milk protein intolerance/allergy (to some degree) is not an unusual cause of eczema.
Well you're lucky. There's not enough time for the docs to be trained in nutrition and if they were there'd be vested interests involved as there are anyway. I go purely on my experience and if aspartame and tomatoes cause my eczema so be it I don't remember any doc. mentioning it.
So, tempnameswap, NICE recommend a calcium supplement but you say it's fine not to, even over a whole month? Ah well: if there isn't enough in her diet her body will simply take it from her bones. Which would just be great, of course.
@temp I am well aware lactose intolerence is difference, its just the self diagnosed allergy/food intoelrance sufferes don't really have sufficint information to do a proper elimination diet. It is hard to know what is in all foods.
I'm afraid I didn't have time to read all the thread but I'll tell you what worked for us, although DS (now 2) didn't have it as bad your poor DS and has now almost grown out of it.
A big no to aequeous cream, it was used a lot in the past and most GPs are not aware it's actually not suitable. For a lot of eczema sufferers, it makes things worse.
You have to moisturise a lot, and findind the right moisturiser is unfortunately trial and error. Weleda is very good for DS, but might not be good for your DS. One trick is to apply the moisturiser on damp skin, so maybe right after his bath. Don't rub it in, just let it soak in.
Oats in an old sock in the bath water worked for DS. Bath products were a big no for us, and the oats helped softened the water and seemed to soothe the itching.
Definitely see a dermatologist. Ours told us that cortisone creams actually sting, so it's better to use cortisone ointments. Sometimes you have to use them for a few days or so until the flare-up is under control, and then moisturising is more efficient.
Finally, we made the mistake of using bio detergent for our clothes (and a strong one at that) and non-bio only for DS' clothes, until we realised that we used to hold him a lot and the cheek he was sleeping on in our arms rubbed against our clothes. The flare-ups were worse on that side, so we changed the detergent and could see the difference straight away.
Try giving up the conditioner at least for a while, as it's full of chemicals which stay in the clothes. Also, a liquid detergent works better for us, as it's easier to rinse off, and we always double rinse everything.
Good luck, and sorry if I repeated what has already been said upthread!
There is some training in nutrition (and allergies) but you are right it is pretty minimal... For a long time it was thought that allergens could not affect a baby via breast milk so that view is still widely held and information, particularly in primary care, a bit patchy. But when you get referred to a specialist dermatologist/paediatrician/allergy clinic the story is different.
Never use aqueous cream as a moisturiser it burns the skin,
It can however be used as a soap substitute, avoid bathing too often,and use of wet wipes etc
trial and error of creams until you find one that works i love aveeno but its not for every one
if all else fails ask gp to refer to dermatologist for advice
Actually Shady, depending on which specialist allergy centre you are referred to, advice on calcium supplements differs. So at Great Ormond St, for example, I know of a consultant who doesn't think they are at all necessary for elimination diets whist bfing. Whereas I was prescribed them for the same, after the trial showed I needed to continue cutting out dairy.
But you are right, the point of the NICE guidelines is that they are the gold standard, so maybe buy some calcium supplements (the point being the Op's GP won't prescribe them, because he/she thinks it is highly unlikely to be an allergen causing the problem...).
And ethelb for the mother's elimination diet, cutting out the obvious sources would probably be sufficient. So no milk, butter, yoghurt etc and to try and avoid foods with ingredients that contain milk proteins (eg whey, casein); plus avoid actual 'frank' egg, plus cakes etc containing egg. Anything more sophisticated than (ie avoidance as if for a directly allergic patient) that could be kept until later.
In fact sometimes, giving up milky drinks (lattes etc), milk in cereals, chocolate etc can be enough to show there was a problem.
I haven't read the whole thread, sorry. But, have you considered it could be dietary? A lot of people get eczema as a result of dairy and either have an intolerance or an allergy. If your little one is otherwise fine in herself then it is possible that it could be an intolerance. Could you try cutting dairy out of your diet if you're breast feeding? Or could you ask the gp to see if there is a suitable alternative to milk that your little one could have instead?
There are a lot of alternative milk products available in most supermarkets but most won't be suitable for such a young child, so please speak to your gp if you can.
Hope it starts to get better soon.
Take care and apologies if i've just repeated what others have already said.
But sadly temp the calcium and proteins (hence all the eczema) from cow's milk is very hard for most people to benefit from because we haven't the correct amount of magnesium or B6 in our guts, we're not calves!
Hi, my ds had terrible eczma all over since about 3 months and went through soooo many creams, diet changes, muslin etc. we moved to Spain for 10 years and it had disapeared within 2 weeks!! however, if a move to warmer climes is not an option since we have been back it has flared up again.
He now uses Diprobase daily, i only use a non-bio liquid to wash his clothes as feel this rinses out better, but the HUGE change was when we had a water filter fitted to the entire house. It is a Kinetico water system, which filters and softens with salt all the water coming into the house. So, all the water he drinks, showers in, clothes are washed in is all treated. It was not cheap but would not do without it now as it has made such a difference to him, in fact we only rent this house but had it fitted and will be taking it with us. As soon as he spends a couple of days at some-one else' house he can notice a change. Well worth the money!! Look into it online and give them a ring, they don't guarantee it helps but say it is the main reason people have it fitted.
Good luck, it really is a sad state for you both to be in. xxx
I have been dairy and soya free for both my sons. At no point have I been told to take supplements. Calcium can easily be obtained from green veg and is added to some of the dairy milk alternatives. No dietician has ever mentioned taking supplements to me, or giving them to my dairy free 2 year old.
simplyCupcakes Did a normal jug filter help him? I know about the softened water for the bath it's brilliant because that's what helped our DS's eczema a hell of a lot. But is it a good idea to drink water softened with salt for your bones and teeth?
I gave up dairy, eggs and chocolate (aarrggghhh) when bf Ds who had very severe eczema as you have described. His dairy allergy was discaovered when a supermarket trolley strap touched his neck while I was shopping. A child must have spilt milk on it. He came out in an angry red welt. If a dairy allergy is severe a small spot of milk on the skin (back of hand or inside arm) will cause the skin to redden and look bumpy, as though bitten by insects. (Just wash the area and it will subside) Unfortunately Ds is now 17 and still has allergies to dairy and eggs, but much less severe. Also he is the tallest in our family!!
ppeatfruit, hiya, never did try a filter jug but we were told that drinking it was no problem at all, obviously we are now all drinking it. Its definately not something I was made to worry about, just so pleased with the results for ds. Look online or talk to the company if you have any worries. Ds eczma was so bad as a child i was accused of neglect at 1 point, and people would stare at him, then scowl at me! Now, he's a 6ft4 gorgeous 14yr old! (few teenage spots but nothing else!)
That's interesting simply Because we need a filter in this very hard water area in Fr. (there was a broken one here when we first moved but they cost 5 or 6 thousand euros .)I use a jug filter for drinking and just add the sea salt to my bath water. Oddly you can buy a magnetic one to fit to the pipes but the DIY places don't stock it IMO because it costs approx 25 euros
well, it cost here about 1600, so that sounds very expensive. My dh was here while it was fitted and said it was very easy to do, so may even be worth buying it here, then taking it home and fitting it yourselves? That was the fitting costs included so even cheaper for just the unit.
you can get calcium in lots of other foods
if you are BF'ding then eliminate dairy from your diet
our LO has mild eczema which we keep under control by not bathing too frequently and using oats and sweet almond oil in his bath (no soap ever except bi-weekly hair wash). Oats in the bath to soften the water are the best thing ever! We put it in a muslin and squeeze it into the bath water, then use the oat-filled-muslin to wash him gently. We find that whenerver he has a bath without oats, his skin dries out very quickly. We also apply sweet almond oil all-over twice a day (when dressing/undressing for bed). I use Ecover Zero (no fabric softener) to wash clothes/bedding, always with an extra rinse cycle to make sure there is no soap left on them (not just his clothes - he comes in contact with my clothes too!). Finally, we avoid harsh chemical cleaners (especially in the bath) and make sure the bath is very well rinsed after cleaning so he can't come in contact with anything nasty. Hope this helps!
oh and keeping his nails really short so he can't do himself too much damage scratching!
Hi my ds developed ezcema, to cut a long story short and lots of appointments we find out he is CMPI. I am breastfeeding, removed all dairy from diet (and told to aviod soya also whilst await allergy testing) and his skin is now perfect. I have not being told to take supplements but am taking them for bf'ing anyway.
We have Aveeno moisturiser and steroid cream for when it was needed.
Hi feel really sorry for you but hope I have some tips, first of all both mine sons had eczema since birth and in the beginning gp seems not to know anything! Tried some creams but nothing worked and he referred us to the dermatologist, we had to wait a couple of weeks but after that it was a godsend because ( this is 6 years ago) she straight away said he had bad eczema and prescribed oilatum and hydrocortisone 1% cream after a full year of using this 4 times a day and oilatum emollient in his bath and only non bio detergent does not matter which, one he was much better!
But then my second son had exactly what you described and what worked for first ds did not work for him because first ds had only dry skin. Was referred to dermatologist again this time she said it was atopic eczema and there was also an fungal infection! She prescribed me two creams that till now I still use when it flares up again( he is now 4). If I was you do go to your gp now and don't wait for dermatologist because sometimes takes weeks and ask for these creams! Both times she didn't do any allergy test and if your baby is suffering you don't want to wait.
First cream is daktacort and is used when spots or sores are weepy just use lightly couple of times it really works and couldn't thank dermatologist enough but sometimes a fungal infection can be really stubborn and it doesn't clear it up enough or as soon I stopped using daktacort in three days came back. So then she prescribed a steroid called Timovate really strong and you can only use it for three days but it defo does the trick. I am not sure if the gp will give you Timovate without approval of dermatologist but defo dactacort! Also be aware for flare ups use first hydrocortisone and after that dactacort then you can keep in control. And oilatum was too thick for ds2 it just sat on the skin but double base really works for him because is lighter but gets absorbed by the skin much quicker! Both my kids had it bad but key thing is the right cream and keep using it during the day and don't be afraid too ask for something else if it does not work but sometimes things need time. Sorry for the whole lesson but hope it helps
We also had a water softener fitted before Christmas. They are expensive, but my dd is a lot less itchy than she was before. Also you need a lot less soap/detergent.
We use aqueous cream for bathing the kids and the soft water foams up the aqueous cream so for the first time ever they've had a bubble bath of sorts.
Me and DP also have dry skin and it has helped loads with that too.
Old-fashioned Coal Tar Soap for eczema on the face. Used it as a child, and now find out it works really well on my eczema even now... lavender oil also good to prevent scarring. Have also been allergic to creams prescribed by the GP...
Also Avene or La Roche Posay products, from France....they are brilliant, and Boots do them now.
NICE guidelines say that if the main affected area is the face, then it is likely or be an airborne allergen, and RAST testing is recommended. In the mean time do you have a cat? A dusty house? Try some of the strategies for reducing these allergens and try and ask the dermatologist for RAST testing. Being very young, they might try to put you off having blood taken, however the pediatric nurses are expert in doing this and it is far less traumatic than years of delay and suffering from eczema.
Has anyone linked the NICE guidelines yet? They have been mentioned a few times , i see but i am afraid i have not read the whole thread. Very useful reading for anyone with a child who has eczema.
Aveeno.Nothing else to add amazing stuff.
Trial and error for sure!
My 5 month DS has infantile eczema on his legs and arms - basically, dry patches of skin - and a patch of atopic dermatitis on his forehead. Diprobase didn't do the trick for him and all the lovely natural oils I was rubbing on his head just clogged everything up (although the Pure Potions Skin Salvation balm is good on the infantile eczema). Aveeno has been very helpful - not as oily as the Diprobase - and hydrocortisone cream seems to have pretty much cleared up the atopic patch (for now).
Heat seems to exacerbate DS' eczema - which is annoying because he also feels the cold, so prefers to be reasonably well wrapped up to sleep.
I feel for you - hope it clears up soon. No shortage of things to try on this thread, anyway!
I really feel for you. My son was covered in bleeding eczema as a baby. It was terrible when he was 4 months my doctor suggested me giving up dairy as I was breastfeeding. I stopped all dairy and soya and I also stopped washing his clothes in any washing powder (just hot water - not great for stains!). I only used a cream from Neals Yard (can't remember name) and put nothing in his baths. He was dairy free until 1 year when we slowly started introducing it in food but gave him oats milk until he was 2 years old.
He is now completely eczema free and has milk in food. He still avoids drinking it though!
I really feel for you. My son was covered in bleeding eczema as a baby. It was terrible when he was 4 months my doctor suggested me giving up dairy as I was breastfeeding. I stopped all dairy and soya and I also stopped washing his clothes in any washing powder (just hot water - not great for stains!). I only used a cream from Neals Yard (can't remember name) and put nothing in his baths. He was dairy free until 1 year when we slowly started introducing it in food but gave him oats milk until he was 2 years old.
He is now completely eczema free and has milk in food. He still avoids drinking it though!
Oh it is awful, really feel for you too all too.
My 4 year old DS used to get terrible eczema, it turned out to be triggered by
bloody fairy washing powder, we assumed it would be ok for babies and children as it is marketed as such but a couple of days after we stopped using it his skin really cleared up. We now use surcare which has no perfumes, worth a try, good luck.
Oh and double base cream was the only one that soothed it, it's very thick but it works.
Everyone keeps saying trial and error....but all I do is error!!!
I have tried a hundred different bath things and creams and oils on my little one who is now 14 months.
Currently am using pure coconut oil as a moisturiser, but I prefer pure shea butter.
I use non bio powder, extra rinse cycle. I use only cotton fabrics, etc... but the eczema is still bad.
GP gave me 1% cortisone ointment for the worst patches, which does help clear it, only for it to come back. But a naturapath told me the cortisone is horrible for the babies skin...so what is the alternative???
I suspected an intolerance to milk when I tried to switch baby from breast/formula to cows milk...she immediately got diahrea and skin was bad. But GP said she would have had this reaction from formula or the occasional cheese or yoghurt she has...
What in the world do you give a 14 month old to drink before bed if she is dairy free? How do I get my GP to test for allergies?
Wow! Thank you so much to everyone who has replied, I'm just sorry so many of you have gone through the same thing! I've got loads of things to try now, so feel like I can actually be doing something while we wait to see a dermatologist. I think I will try cutting out eggs and dairy for 2 weeks (with supplement just to be safe!); She's had a bottle of formula at night since quite early on and the eczema is only recent, so hopefully it isn't dairy but guess you never know! We have already knocked the fabric softener on the head. I think also I've not been putting the cream on often enough or thick enough - the aveeno does seem to help but not for long! We also have eczmol cream to try which I'm finding doesn't absorb as well but will persevere and maybe try some of the others mentioned. Her skin tends to look best after a bath once she's been moisturised, so I don't think I'll cut down on those. We do have a dog, but I'm hoping with everything I have that it's nothing to do with him as it would absolutely break my heart to part with him, I don't think I could do it!
Hopefully she'll start to improve soon thanks to you all!
Cheap, I hope someone comes along with some suggestions for you too.
My ds2 developed horrible eczema at about 8 months. It was everywhere but not where his nappy was. So I switched from persil non bio and comfort pure (which I had used from birth) to surcare which more or less stopped it. Then when he turned one I gave him cows milk and the exzema returned. So I switched to goats milk, goat yog or alpro yog, goats cheese and vegetable oil spread. This helped but it still flared.
So I began to put oats in the bath. I cut up pairs of tights and turned them into little bags with a handful of ordinary porridge oats inside. I stick one in a running bath and squeeze them to release the oat milk. And started slathering him in an oat based cream called A-Derma Exomega Creme (available on tinternet, or independent chemists). He is now back on dairy (and persil) but the oats in the bath and the oat cream keeps the eczema at bay. I am hoping he will grow out of it, he is now two.
Oilatum did nothing, nor did any of the creams the doc prescribed. Good luck
I wish I knew about mumsnet 4 years ago when my youngest had bad eczema, there's been some good advice on diet this thread that I'd not thought of.
After wrapping our son in what can only be described as tubi grip PJ's every night with layers of different creams underneath (all recommended by the dermatologist and GP) I read an article which said the ingredient SLS (sodium laurel sulphate) is what makes the cycle of itching worse so to cut it out completely. SLS is in all of the creams we were told to use including Aqueous and Epaderm - crazy!!
Its also in most shampoos so we've swapped to Body Shops rainforest range. The best moisturiser for him is Aveeno which I'd tried previously got a reaction so stopped, but I tried again and its been great ever since. I wish I had known this and want to spread the word!
Cheap, as Leafmould says upthread google NICE guidelines. Look at them and if you think the list could describe the symptoms, then print it out, and take it to your GP, and demand a referral to an allergy clinic.
If you call the allergy uk helpline, they can tell you which clinic is closest to you so you can then ask to be referred to that one.
The only thing to bear in mind is that if it is an intolerance rather than an allergy, the rast, skin prick tests, won't show anything. With an intolerance, I believe the only way to know for sure if to eliminate the suspected food.
As your little one is over a year old, it may be possible to get a non prescription dairy free milk alternative but you'd need to speak to your gp.
Good luck by the way, but your GP has to refer you if you ask.
Cheap if you have concerns good to ask your Gp to refer you to a dietician say, or paediatrician who can authorise the testing. I have to say where I live the only access to a dietician is through a paediatrician and then they refused me blood tests (RAST etc) and patch testing and diagnosed CMPI through a very strict exclusion diet. But everywhere does it differently so if you find out what happens where you live you can access what you need. It was my health visitor who told me to ask Gp for referral to a dietician and I have learnt Gp's here do what HV's suggest!!
For dairy free milk they seem to suggest Oatly milk (not rice milk until 4yrs old at least) after 1yr old. My son not that old yet so breastfed or Nutramigen formula for breakfast. You can buy Oatly in supermarkets, often long life cartons. But best to do that under a dietician's supervision and advice.
There is another forum called Talk eczema that might be worth joining. They sometimes have week long q&a topics where you can ask doctors who are specialist in the particular area, questions directly. You'll probably get loads of advice too as you can post questions in a similar way to MN.
Here's the link
Also the link to NICE here
The website is different to how I remember it, but I believe these are the guidelines that gp's should be following when treating patients.
Hope this helps.
House, also make sure you try aveeno baby, not just aveeno. We get it from the web as I found it much more effective, sold in the states. And we found emolument in the bath a problem so got aveeno baby for the bath too. I also found introducing oats via ready brek or porridge to his diet once I started weaning helped. We also wash all family clothes with surcare and have him with cotton only clothes most of the time. This all generally works. When it doesn't we use the steroid cream but that is rarely now. My DS started getting eczema around 5 months and it's really improved, he is three now, but the cold weather and central heating doesn't help!
My Son (now 10) has always suffered with eczema. When he was a baby his cheeks used to bleed, and his skin always looked so sore.
I have always used the Tescos non bio washing tablets, and the Tescos sensitive conditioner. If I change it at all (once I got same brand, but different scent) he flares up terribly. You have to experiment though, as the same things don't suit everybody.
My Son was seen by a consultant as a baby, and prescribed the 'wet wrap technique'. That works really well, and I still do it now from time to time if he has a bad flare up.
I always used hydrocortisone on his face, and plenty of emulsiying ointment too. On his body, eumovate ointment and plenty of emulsifying ointment (and bandages if he needs them).
I want you to know though, that even though his face was really bad as a baby, he grew out of it very quickly. By the time he was 10 months old, he never got it on his face (and never has since). Now, he just has dry skin, and his ankles and hands crack sometimes, but it really isn't that bad now.
People used to tell me it would be so much better when he was at school age, and I couldn't believe them, because it looked so awful, but they were right.
I hope you find the right treatment for your DD, I know how distressing it can be for both parent and child. As a Mum, you don't want your child to be uncomfortable, it's hard to deal with.
I must say as well, I had two other children, and neither have eczema at all (just my middle son). I guess he was the unlucky one.
Sorry, just saw your latest post! Just to add, we have had a golden retriever since my son was 2 and I never noticed any change in his skin after we got her.
You also say that her skin looks best after a bath and been moistuised. This is when you would use the 'wet wrap technique', and it seels in all that lovely moisture! It really is quite magical
I'd say the same about dogs. We too got a lab when DS was 2 and its made no difference to his skin. My father who had asthma, eczema and allergies to everything was fine with dogs too. Dog fur is supposed to be less allergenic I think. Although that's not to say no one is allergic to them of course. There's plenty more that's more likely to be not helping but eczema can happen without any allergies at all (neither DS nor I have any that we know of). I was told its the skin mistakenly reacting to itself or reacting as if there was something, not necessarily an actual reaction. (Does that make any sense?). That's why its so hard to treat. But you will work it out and be posting here to help other people in no time! It is the worse thing I have had to deal with (so far ...) as a parent and reading your post reminded me of that hopeless feeling. It doesn't last as she will improve and you will get more help and become more expert very quickly.
I have started giving DD omega 3/fish oil for kids and it is having an amazing effect on her eczema - but she is 19mo. I give her 5mls a day with one of those medicine syringes and it's making a big difference to her skin.
I don't like using steroid cream either and it didn't really help much for my DD either. I was recommended this. Someone at the beginning of the thread recommended a plant based cream that is a natural steroid..afraid I cant remember what though.
Bit extreme but my DDs eczema (she only has it behind her knees though) completely vanished within 2 days when we went to Majorca last year. We still don't know whether it was the sun, sea or possibly even the suncream that did it. She was even swimming in the pool everyday there. It has flared up again in the past few weeks now she has started swimming lessons. Bit of a mystery really but I must try epsom salts in the bath! Maybe we just need to take her on holiday again!
I would really recommend trying surcare for washing clothes, non bio can still be bad for eczema. This worked with us and also a friend who had bad eczema, you can get it in sainsburys, tesco etc..
I've always suffered from eczema - luckily my children seem to be ok.
You need steroids or antibiotic cream when it's weepy, when it's inflamed and sore but the skin isn't broken, medihoney is excellent. It's expensive (about £14) but you can get it on prescription. It smells weird, but it honestly is so much more soothing and calming than anything else non-medicated.
You could try acupuncture. I went for a bad back a few years ago and had terrible eczema at the time on my hands and wrists. Asked the acupuncturist if there was anything he could do about that, thinking there wouldn't be, and he said yes, they often treat eczema with great success. After one session my eczema disappeared and never came back! Amazing. I had tried everything. I am about to book my 2 year ld in as he has begun to suffer mildly on his eye and backs of his legs. I would really recommend this. Certain acupuncturists can treat children from 6 months old.
Just to add I gave up wheat and dairy when DS1 had eczema as a small BF baby. I replaced wheat with almond flour rather a lot and used Brazil nuts as a snack.
Hey? Guess what? He has a nut allergy.... So be very careful before you exclude food.
Once I stopped using anything with Sls my daughters skin went from broken and sore to healed, although still roughish to the touch, within days. We also started using burts bees baby products instead following a recommendation. Don't know if the improvement was the lack of SLS, which is a bit like washing your skin n hair in washing up liquid, it's that harsh, or the burts products. But, who cares, it works.
Specialmagiclady, sorry to hear that your DS has a nut allergy.
I think the advice to pregnant women and nursing mums has changed in the last few years to eat what you usually eat, including peanuts and nuts etc.
My Dd has lots of allergies and very itchy skin, when I was pregnant i had a peanut butter sandwich once i think, before i realised that the advice was not to eat peanuts or nuts so I didn't. i worried the whole way through the pregnancy that dd would have allergies and at 6.5 months old we realised she did have an anaphylactic reaction to wheat. she is also allergic to nuts and peanuts plus other foods. I often wonder if it was because of that one peanut butter sandwich!
Carolyn, that's brilliant! Did they explain what they were doing and how it works? I genuinely fascinated by alternative therapies.
My son had discoid ex as a baby - small round patches on his face and body - looks a bit like ring worm apparently. It was weeepy too and was given antibiotics but didn't work but finally saw another GP who subscribed diprobase. I used this as soap in the bath and again afterwards as a mousturiser. Also given Fucibet and Fucidin steroids one for body and one for face until the sore breakouts went. My son is now six and other than the occasional dry patch is a lot better. I did a bath every other day and also avoid anything with SLS in. Now just use Lavender Oil in the bath. Hopefully will grow out of this - a lot of babies have excema. - Good Luck xx Also -Excema society has some factsheets about applying emolient creams.
mumat Had DD in France, where no advice re:nuts. Had such bad MS that peanut butter was one of few things I could keep down. DD doesn't have eczema, even though Ex-H and I both do, and she is allergic to NOTHING!
what do you all think about parabens?
Pure virgin coconut oil is meant to be fabulous for skin complaints, it has made my skin and hair lovely but I am not a child and I don't have a skin complaint. Google it first and read some of the things people with more experience say then decide if it is worth a try. good luck it sounds a nightmare.
Re washing powder and conditioner. The usual stuff, Ariel, Persill etc non-bio is not pure enough. Only Ecover worked for us and don't use conditioner.
Don't be afraid of steroid cream. Apply as directed and it will clear it up quickly. Use it for flare ups.
Hydromol ointment works best for DS as a moisturiser but it can be a bit hit and miss until you find a cream that works.
There is a good book on Amazon for about £7 about eczma and what really helps. I'd recommend it! For us it was a blessing when we were finally sent to see a specialist dermatological nurse at the local childrens hospital. She explained things so well and since then we've been keeping my daughters eczma under control. Epaderm ointment works the best for us but it's different for everyone. My daughter had horrible eczma on her cheeks when she was 6 months old so I can imagine how upsetting that is. Good luck!
Oh poor wee mite. Eczema is horrible. All of my family have it and when ds had it too at 6 months I feared for the worst. Luckily we lived overseas at the time and the doctor told me not to bath him (the bath then bed routine seems to be a quite a British thing) and with some paraffin based moisturisers (cetraben type stuff, not medicated) it eventually cleared up. He's three now and touch wood he's been clear for over a year. We still only bath him once or twice a week max and never use soap.
BadMissM, it's funny isn't it that in this country we were all advised to stop eating peanuts, when there really wasn't any evidence to suggest the link between eating them in pregnancy and have an allergic child.
Dont know if anyone else has mentioned this as havent read whole thread but Waitroses Bottom Butter is fabulous for excema. My son had terrible skin right from being born with a particularly nasty open wound on his shoulder and behind his knees. Loads of stuff from HV and Doc but nothing helped until the Bottom Butter. Its cheap as chips and smells lush - in their baby section. We still use it now to keep things at bay.
spudpudding - Can I ask how long it took your for ds's discoid eczema to clear? I'm pretty sure my dd has got this now. I've been putting betnovate on it from about 24 hours after it appeared so it never got really bad. I appled it twice a day for 10 days, stopped for 24 hours and it was very noticeably back. Having googled, it looks like it's a bugger to get rid of.
Re allergies and peanut butter, an anecdote. My SIL has 4 kids. She ate peanut butter when pregnant with 3 of them. When pregnant with the other child, she scrupulously avoided peanuts but it was this child who went on to develop a peanut allergy. I, on the other hand, have 3 kids. I avoided peanut butter when pregnant with two of them and ate peanut butter sandwiches obsessively with the other. The one who got peanuts in utero ended up with a peanut allergy. I think it's mostly just genetics as I have other family members with nut and other allergies. I suspect people are much more aware these days and get proper diagnosis and that accounts for a lot of the increase incidence of allergies. For example, I recently discovered a cousin had a peanut allergy, although she wouldn't describe it as such. She says peanut just make her mouth itch and throat swell so she avoids them. She hasn't seen a doctor about it and doesn't carry an epipen. My SIL also won't eat hazelnuts for the same reason and she hasn't seen a doctor.
I would echo what many other posters have said - it seems that you just have to work through until you find products and a regime that work for you. You will find this eventually...
My dd, now 4, had terrible eczema, exacerbated by warm weather but is now much better. Bathing less often really helped her and aveeno works well for her (tried a lot of others and can't get aveeno on prescription here as too expensive apparently).
When my ds (now 1) also developed eczema aged about 4 months I thought I would know exactly what to do but what worked on dd did not work for him. I was at my wits end until I finally found a helpful GP who took an interest. A regime of frequent applications of double base (surely one of the nicest to use emollients ever) With occasional hydrocortisone to bring it back under control when he gets an occasional flare up has pretty much cleared his skin (although I am dreading the warmer weather). Whilst I think the food argument is interesting, both mine developed eczema when they were being totally breast-fed.
My DD had terrible eczema and we saw David Atherton at GOSH. He suggested a low dose steroid in vaseline (Pharmacist makes it up according to a prescription). You put it on a nighttime, with a hot wet bandage on top and a dry one on top of that and it works fantastically well. She healed and there was no scarring.
Now she is an adult so she controls it all via diet - basically a vegan diet plus the odd steak works to keep the eczema at bay.
Our experience was that it was diet related.
Calcium is best absorbed from green vegetables, not dairy.
Why don't you try an dairy free diet and then see?
So sorry your GP isn't more with it and helpful for you. Push for a paediatric dietitian and testing as well as the dermo.
Rockinhippy and girlsoutnumbered have some very good tips, as have others. We useMooGoo and it works very well.
Best of luck with it, sometimes after the damage is done, the excema "disappears" only to present as asthma later on, so best to nip this as soon as possible.
Sorry should have said 'diet related' refers to me as the breast feeding mother - my diet made a difference to the ebf babe's skin.
porridge oats in the tied up tights into the bath was a tip I got from MN in the first place. It works amazingly well!
I know you've already had lots of advice but I thought I'd throw my experience in too! My eldest has always suffered with excema but developed really bad dermatitus on her hand duringbher first year at school. Nothing prescription helped it and it was cracked, weeping and painful. I came across a product called BRIA that is available online from the lady that makes it (give it a google). It's quite expensive, about £12 for a small jar I think, but my daughters hands were clear after 2weeks after nearly a year of suffering! We've cut any contact with SLS and it's currently not returned :-) Hope your little one gets better soon x
ive not had time to read the whole thread and i apologise in advance if these ideas have already been suggested
take a cloth and ad handful porridge oats.secure them in with an elastic band.run warm bath,no products in it and swish the cloth in it til water turns opaque.squeeze cloth and then dab gently to wash your little one
this helped my eldest dd when her eczema was horrendous.wet wraps are amazing on severe body eczema.if its any consolation hers has improved dramatically as she has got older
My DD who is now 31 had eczema as a baby, so I really appreciate how stressful this is for you and how helpless and frustrated you can feel. What worked for us was homeopathic treatment. Our GP agreed to refer us to the Royal Homeopathic Hospital in London - now called the Royal London Hospital for Integrated Medicine, you can google RLHIM. They have a skin clinic and it's staffed by doctors and registered complementary pracititioners. If you don't live near London or would prefer it you can see a homeopath near you privately. Please make sure you see someone who is qualified and registered with a professional body - I suggest the website of the Society of Homeopaths, or the Alliance of Registered Homeopaths.This isn't something you would hope to treat from a self-help book. Personally I was so impressed with homeopathy that I trained and qualified as a homeopath myself. Good luck, I hope this helps.
I have seen some fab results using the arbonne abc baby range in children and adults. I have a personal testimonal from a mum who tried everything for her DD and was amazed at the results. The products are free of mineral oil and chemical nasties and are available on a try before you buy and also a 45day money back guarantee. PM me if you would like any more info.
yes discoid excema appeared at approx 6 months really bad and weepy on face and body very uosetting. Once I got the crem that worked for us and saw a fab dermatologist we got in under control, as has been said find what works for you. The patches move around the body and he would very often got bad ones on his shoulder blades and shins. Started to clear at around age 4 and as I said is now almost non existent. At it's worst we had to give oral antihistamine just so he could get some sleep as he wanted to scratch. The antibiotics made things worse as this just gave him a runny tummy. I think avoiding parabens and SLS helps - I use natural stuff from the health food store - good luck and keep on until you get the right help and find what works.
I have came across a great skin care line that is working wonders on people's eczema. It's a product that anyone can use and its all natural. I don't suffer from eczema but my friends son does and his is all gone. If you are interested just send me a e-mail at email@example.com and I will give you the information.
I don't know if anyone else has mentioned it but scratchsleeves are brilliant to stop the little one from scratching and picking at eczema.
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I just wanted to put something out there which may be of help to you.
My little one ( now 7 months old) had terrible eczema too, which covered most of his body and areas around the face, head and torso where affected most with weeping sores. We tried every cream that was available including cortisone but nothing seemed to work. I was recommended by another mum to check out a special clothing range named DermaSilk (dermasilk.co.uk) which is also available on prescription (yes you can get it from your GP!!). It has been few days now that my little one is wearing a silk facial mask and body suit and the itching (especially at night) has stopped. It seems too good to be true but this is the only thing that worked for us. The material has antibacterial properties too and feel soothing on the skin and therefore we are using less emollients. I now use only the body balm from Neils Yard as it has only natural ingredients.
I am amazed how this has changed our lives - we have now a happy baby that is able to play and is not preoccupied with scratching himself constantly, and his sleep pattern has also improved dramatically.
Just wanted to share this information with mums who struggle with their babies eczema
My baby ds is 7m old and he has had eczema since 3m Dry skin is one problem but what concerned and upset me the most was weeping wounds he had on his face and behind knees He had outbreaks almost every 2 days. Steroid cream dried it but as soon as i stopped they were red and weeping again I read a lot about eczema and realized that it mainly comes from inside either immune system is weak or its connected with digestive system So i found article about trying to boost baby's immune system by giving them probiotics live friendly bacteria for gut. I decided to try, i got Optibax for children it can be given from 6m old its in sachets . I started 2 weeks ago and since then my son doesn't have weeping wounds his knees completely cleared, i am sure its probiotics am giving him as i haven't changed anything else. I am so happy and hope it will get only better. It might not work for everybody but definitely worth a try. Also can recommend Epaderm Cream (can get on prescription) for dry skin, I like it most from all the creams i tried, i prefer it to tub version as its more hygienic as its in bottle with a pump.
Hope my post helps.
Yes, out of the eczema diet related studies, probiotics is the one most supported by studies. I gave my eczema toddler probiotics too, but it's so expensive, I didn't give it daily.
Tub version is usually for thicker cream too, so suitable for those living in dry, winter season. We live in Singapore, and usually use lotion in the day and cream at night.
Also be mindful of what not to eat, as fast food has been linked with more severe eczema, did a comb through of all pubmed studies and summarized below
Hope it'd save time of other mothers pouring through the same subject!
Mei of EczemaBlues
My little girl (3mnths) has terrible eczema and sometimes I feel so helpless that I can't make the itching stop! But I've been taking a few teaspoons of coconut oil a day and breastfeeding her as normal. Apparently, the nutrients from the coconut oil, when ingested, soothe eczema. I've seen a little bit of a result...and I'm still bathing her in the prescription stuff. I've been trawling the web and I came across this site which covers a lot of the problems we've been facing. Hope it helps everyone too http://www.scratchsleeves.co.uk/parenting-plus-eczema/category/daily-life-living-with-eczema/
My little girl (3mnths) has terrible eczema and sometimes I feel so helpless that I can't make the itching stop! But I've been taking a few teaspoons of coconut oil a day and breastfeeding her as normal. Apparently, the nutrients from the coconut oil, when ingested, soothe eczema. I've seen a little bit of a result...and I'm still bathing her in the prescription stuff. I've been trawling the web and I came across this site which covers a lot of the problems we've been facing. Hope it helps everyone too smile www.scratchsleeves.co.uk/parenting-plus-eczema/category/daily-life-living-with-eczema/
I usually recommend a cream for eczema to all my friends and acquaintances and most of them (not all) get rid of the eczema hope that will also help you ...... you can find that cream here goo.gl/UPvJp . My humble request is ... please let me know if you get rid of that rigid eczema.
Keep smiling and be healthy!
I read all these comments, Im in the same boat...
I have a 4 years old, she has a really bad eczema. Its itchy, bleeding, its dry, its just painful for her and for me as well, watching my little one struggling.
We recently try a 100% natural treatment, the salt cave. Its unbelievable! After 5 sessions the redness gone and the healing process been starting. Its not bleeding now at all! Im so pleased that we tried i can recommend for everyone!
I was just reading through and saw lots of you mentioning Aveeno was working for you. I saw this page the other day and I thought it might be worth mentioning in case any one was thinking about trying it. It looks like there's two similar trials running at the same time - one is for Aveeno and one is something called Salcura - could be worth a shot as it is free!
Hope it helps some of you
Hi All, My 5 year old has been going through the same.
Sadly I don't think many doctors know what causes eczema and they keep giving us steroid creams too. My friend recommended a new product which is 98% natural and claims to be "as gentle as water". She managed to get a few samples from a trade show.
This new cream is called Dry2Alive and its supposed to be from birth so, I tried it on my 5 year old and has worked better for us than the others. She seemed to sleep better at night. She normally wakes up a few times itching. This has helped at lot.
I ordered another one online and is made in the UK and looks really good. The scent is v light and my DD loves it. She hates anything too strong.
Its called Dry2Alive and the website is www.dry2alive.com.
Let me know if it helps!
Not a big fan of steroids TBH. I'm one of those hippie mums because I do love a good natural remedy. After some research I came across a cute lil blog about natural remedies. Coconut oil is a firm favourite as it is a natural antiseptic and me and DH frequently use it as mouthwash! Here's the blog Happy reading www.scratchsleeves.co.uk/parenting-plus-eczema/top-tips-eczema-parents/natural-remedies-for-baby-eczema/
There is a sleeping bag called Bamboo Bubby that has been specifically designed for babies with eczema - the material is amazing and soft so as not to be abrasive like cotton - it helps babies sleep because they can't scratch their eczema - It's an Australian product - but available on amazon UK just recently.
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