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MMR jab worries... how do i go about getting single jabs for DD?(38 Posts)
having read this article just now... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/post2468343_b_2468343.html
i am now really worried about letting DD have her MMR jab, she has just turned one and it is due very soon. does anyone know how i can go about getting her singular jabs? do you have to go private or can you get them on the nhs?
thanks in advance.
that link again... www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/post2468343_b_2468343.html
There are a few clinics that offer single jabs - just have a google of childhood vaccines however mumps isn't currently available in the UK and not likely to be anytime soon.
Good luck, it's such a tough decision knowing what to do for the best
i know, i'm really confused now. don't know what to do for best as have read articles both for and against the singular jabs
its such a horrible thing to have to do, take the extremely small risk that your child may develop autism with the MMR or alternatively risking it with the singular jabs, with even less medical research behind them, and also excluding mumps. i really don't know what to do for best!
if anyone has any more info i'd be very interested, thanks.
Controversial standpoint... Could you vac ad aunts measles now, rubella when she is 11 as we all used to (rubella in itself is not dangerous unless pregnant but if course if she were to catch it you would have yo be v careful who she was exposed to if they were pregnant which then opens another whole debate!) and then weigh up the risk of mumps?
Alternatively delay MMR until she is a little older, if, as a family you are comfortable with this?
My nephew had all his vacs with no problems and my DS reacted to his first 8 week ones and is now contra-indicated to one so we too are facing singles (ironically privately as the NHS had no solution even though he can't have any more 5 in 1) It's so tough but as we are finding in the world of 'grey area' we are in its all about weighing up risks of disease with vaccines and reevaluating regularly.
My only advice is read read read on both sides of every argument and take your time. Each country vacs ant different intervals and just because NICE/NHS decided on 13 months doesn't mean it's set in stone. You can also have her immunity tested (if you went ahead with the first MMR) prior to any booster. It's costly but may be worth the investment.
My DD has the 12th&13th months immunizations at ones (current advice!) at the beginning of Dec 2012, no side effects. I was worried at the time, as she has been very unsettled after all previous immunizations, needing Calpol, being grumpy, etc. Every child is having them, so, if there isn't a special reason, don't see why not to have the combine one. It is important to be immunized, don't risks to stay away. No real evidence that it could lead to autism.
I was under the impression that all links between MMR & autism had been discredited?
that is what i thought until reading that article. i am now worrying myself stupid over it. from what i've been reading there is a extremely small chance of anything untoward happening after the mmr jab, the benefits seem to outweigh the risks. i'm done with reading about it for tonight as it has mashed my brain and made me stressed!
why cant the NHS just give you the option to have it singularly? they only do it singularly in Japan, so why not here
The article doesn't say that the MMR causes autism, it appears to say that these two children who suffered side effects from vaccination (which is always a risk) were also, after some time, diagnosed with autism.
There doesn't seem to be any indication in the article either, that single jabs would have made any difference. The boy, it was claimed suffered from a cumulative effect of all vaccinations given, the girl was said to have reacted to the DTaP vaccine.
I had DDs single jabs done privately with Health Choice UK, so if they are still operating I can recommend them, as hershavevworked fine - we livein the anti MMR capital & shes been exposed los & has been okay
she didn't have the Ruebella part as she'd already had that by the time jabs were due, so was apparently already immune.
My advice would be to base it on your own DCs health, if they are robust & have been fine with other jabs, then I doubt there will be any problems with MMR, lots of our friends DCs had it without problems - the one that did have problems was the least Robust of our friends twin grandsons, one twin was fine, the other not, but he always struggled with catching bugs & generally just being the sicklier twin of the 2.
My DD reacted badly to her 10 week multi jab, I wasn't told that was the reason she was very ill at the time, but reading up on the jabs at a later date, I realised that was the cause, so we stayed well clear of the MMR - & yes, bloody annoying we don't really have much choice in the UK
You do realise that the doctor who wrote the original research paper that caused the MMR scandal has been struck off? He is barred from practicing medicine and his 'research' is 100% discredited.
The original research was declared 'fraudulent' by the GMC.
Wikipedia info on single jabs
'Administering the vaccines in three separate doses does not reduce the chance of adverse effects, and it increases the opportunity for infection by the two diseases not immunized against first. Health experts have criticized media reporting of the MMR-autism controversy for triggering a decline in vaccination rates. Before publication of Wakefield's findings, the inoculation rate for MMR in the UK was 92%; after publication, the rate dropped to below 80%. In 1998, there were 56 measles cases in the UK; by 2008, there were 1348 cases, with 2 confirmed deaths.'
Where do you live? I have 3 ds and all 3 have been vaccinated with the single jabs. The 2 youngest at a private clinic in Bath and my oldest in Edinburgh when we lived in Scotland. My sister lives in the South East and she got the single jabs from a private clinic in London, which also has a clinic in Birmingham. I'm sure other areas and cities would have private clinics if you have a look.
The jabs cost £110 each so not massivly cheap but worth every penny in my opinion. Think the vaccines currently licensed are the same they use in Europe and which have also been used for years before the mmr.
Also just as another point of interest, my dm is a midwife and she is amazed at how many women who had the mmr as children are not testing immune to ruebella. The clinic in Bath also told me that there is currently a big lawsuit in the USA against some drug companies which produce the mmr because apparently they are finding that too many children are not immune to measles either!
I obviously sound biased against the mmr and I was worried like you. Unfounded or not, I decided that I would feel unhappy about my dc's getting the mmr and so I found the single jabs a better option. As noted earlier though, the UK government will not currently allow the mumps vaccine into the country under licence. - yet another reason for me to go against their advice because I refuse to be bullied into it.
Good luck and I say go with your instincts because parents know their kids better than a politician!
Mine had single jabs, no difficulties at all. We managed to get mumps vaccine but had left UK at that point.
I thought the single mumps vaccine was unavailable because Merck stopped making it, not because of some government conspiracy.
"I obviously sound biased against the mmr and I was worried like you. Unfounded or not, I decided that I would feel unhappy about my dc's getting the mmr and so I found the single jabs a better option. "
I don't understand this. ^
So based on no evidence, you went ahead with single jabs despite acknowledging there was no proof in the benefit of it.
And this: "Good luck and I say go with your instincts because parents know their kids better than a politician! "
It's nothing to do with instincts, it's to do with proven scientific facts and the doctor who said that there was a link between MMR and autism has been totally discredited.
If you go for single jabs make sure you research properly, as far as I remember Healthchoice UK went bust having ripped off a lot of customers. And subsequently when some of the children were tested for immunity against the vacs they were supposed to have received it turned out they hadn't been given what they thought they were paying for and were not protected at all.
I don't speak from experience with them but I do remember a friend having a nightmare with them and losing £s about 3 years ago..
Please, before you go for the single jabs, educate yourself about the risks of the diseases. In all this debate about vaccines, people seem to have forgotten that the diseases the vaccine is protecting against are dangerous.
Measles for example can be fatal. This is a small but real risk; babies under a year are at greater risk than older children or adults.
There is no evidence that MMR causes autism on the other hand. None at all. What there is, is a media panic based on a study which has since been totally and completely discredited.
The Huffington Post (among many other papers) is making money (via advertising) from running a controversial story. However the effect of their profiteering is that people like you will (understandably) be worried and ultimately put their children at risk of catching diseases unnecessarily, by delaying getting their children vaccinated, or when they find that the single mumps vaccine isn't available in this country for example - as was the case a while back.
It's totally irresponsible journalism. It could potentially lead to unnecessary disease and ultimately deaths of children. The Huffington Post should be ashamed of themselves IMO.
""Good luck and I say go with your instincts because parents know their kids better than a politician! "
That's a bogus argument!
Instinct has no place where there is irrefutable scientific evidence (e.g. that vaccinations save countless lives).
What ladymetroland said. I cannot see the point of single vaccines at all. The article in the huffington post actually says very little of interest.
Please don't fall victim to vaccine scaremongering and leave your child at risk of preventable diseases.
Why would you 'go with your instincts' about vaccination?!?!
Would you 'go with your instincts' about cancer treatment? I hope not! Surely you'd take medical advice and do some research into the scientific evidence . As you should do with vaccines.
Lots of clinics aren't offering single jabs any more because of the mumps vaccine no longer being available.
I do feel for you, my son has a form of asd, and so I couldn't risk MMR with my younger twins, but you will get a lot of slating on here for thinking of not vaccinating.
I should probably add, that my sons asd is in no way linked to the MMR, he was born with sn and he has since had the mmr, as I thought it was unlikely to make him any worse.
I had single jabs done, the order was in the severity/risk of disease, so we had the Prevenar jab done first as this prevents some forms of meningitis which are the biggest risk to small babies. Measles was given in a single jab after the age of 1.
If you google you should be able to find a local practice who give single jabs.
Merck stopped making the Mumps vaccine because they were financially incentivised to do so by the DoH, just out of interest.
The article is not very convincing, everyone could write and say as they wish, freedom of speech, etc. Do not believe everything you read in the press. Check some more reliable sources.
max, so Merck, massive international pharmaceutical company and major supplier to the US vaccine market stopped making a vaccine because our Department of Health, which is strapped for cash at the best of times, paid them to not make a vaccine they don't licence and don't use? I might need to see some evidence before believing that one.
I didn't say they paid them I said they financially incentivised them. Not that I am going to prove this to you on a public internet forum of course.
Why would you make a claim that you are unwilling to provide evidence for and expect anyone to take you seriously?
Hey everyone who is for some reason 'appalled/astounded' by my instincts comment. Was just saying that I felt unhappy about getting the mmr so instead of ignoring my worry I got single jabs for my own peace of mind.
Doesn't bother me who can't understand that. At the end of the day I wanted a choice and I chose against the mmr.
I can't understand people who argue that it's dangerous and to look at the dangers of measles before rejecting the mmr. I took the trouble to arrange and pay for a measles vaccination that probably most of us had as youngsters before the mmr so where's the danger in that?
It's an emotive topic and people have two definite sides of the fence. I'm not being drawn into anything cos it was my choice, I was just answering the op who wanted to know about single jabs.
At the end of the day, all kids vaccinated are hopefully protected so who cares what way people choose to do it!
I've a far bigger issue with those that don't vaccinate - we know several I really don't see why the issue with those of us who feel that the MMR is not for us/our DCs & choose single jabs, gets some peoples people's backs up so much - it just makes more sense not to overload a sickly DCs immune system with a multi jab, if you can do one jab at a time
& FWIW the MMR isn't fail safe either - my cousins then 6yr old grandson ended up in hospital when his measles spread to his brain & had some learning difficulties as a direct result - he DID have the MMR
I don't give a monkeys whether anyone takes me seriously or not - just prompting the OP to do their own research and come to their own conclusions - and to not necessarily be reassured by the usual flannel about Andrew Wakefield being struck off so it must be fine - it may well be but, as someone who has knowledge of the pharmaceutical industry, I wouldn't rule out other agendas.
Reading Ben Goldacre's comments about the MMR debacle - I think what is conclusive was the fact that the scientific basis that Andrew Wakefield used in his paper was flawed. The conclusion he comes to is that even if the scientific basis was solid, there is no way that you can take evidence from 12 children and draw conclusions as to the reason for their autism.
I did this, depending on where you live there is one in Leeds? ,
you usually have to pay beforehand and its pretty steep to say the least.
I've worked in the pharmaceutical industry, I'm well aware of their agenda, and the UK represents such a piffling market share of vaccine consumption that I doubt the Dept of Heath could strong-arm a multinational pharmaceutical company into halting worldwide production of anything.
thank you all for the replies, i know its a hot topic. i have unfortunately come to the conclusion that even if i wanted DD to have single jabs, we simply couldn't afford it, its the fact that i feel i don't have a choice that saddens me i know the risk of anything going wrong with the mmr is incredibly tiny but that doesn't stop me worrying. DD has had very minor symptoms after previous vaccines, such as mild fever and being generally irritable and cranky. i am hoping she is robust enough to handle the jabs well.
ohwhat just to reassure you, my own DD was seriously ill & ended up in hospital after her 10 week multi jab, we could have last her - I found out later that it was a known if rare complication of that particular jab, hence why I was taking no chances with the MMR - sounds like your own DD has had quite a normal reaction to her earlier jabs, so I doubt very much you have anything to worry about at all,
but yes you are right, it's wrong that we don't have a choice unless we can pay for it - though something you might want to look into if it still exists, 9 yr ago when we were looking into it, there was a charity based in the bath area offering single jabs for free or help with the cost for those that couldn't afford it, I've no idea if its still going, but certainly worth trying to find out - sorry I can't remember more
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