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DD (3.5) has smelly vulva, but...

(55 Posts)
winnybella Mon 19-Nov-12 23:28:48

...there is no discharge, vagina looks fine.

She is not very good with wiping and I cannot be sure that she's doing it properly (or at all) at preschool. She often has red labia and I put it down to urine causing irritation. Bepanthen usually sorts it out.

But there is a smell and she has her hands in her knickers all the time and then it's on her hands, hair, ugh. Sort of musty smell.She had bath yesterday and today after school the smell was there again.

So I was wondering whether it's normal given her imperfect/lack of wiping or should I take her to a doctor?

TIA

AnyFucker Mon 19-Nov-12 23:32:19

With the hands in her knickers thing, do you think she may have worms ?

Vaginal thrush ? That doesn't always have a discharge. Or maybe a UTI ? I would see the doc.

winnybella Mon 19-Nov-12 23:36:11

Thanks, AF. No itching, though, doesn't trush cause that?
UTI- hmm, no , I don't think so, she's peeing ok and no fever etc.
Worms shock

Right, the thing to do with worms is to suddenly shine a torch on them, yes? Will do that now, thanks.

izzyishavingababyAGAIN Mon 19-Nov-12 23:37:27

it could be anything and you need to get her to the doctors to have a look.

AnyFucker Mon 19-Nov-12 23:39:14

if she wasn't itching, she wouldn't have her hands in her knickers all the time

you don't need to see her scratch for her to be itching IYSWIM

worms can cause itching of the front and back passages, sorry

izzyishavingababyAGAIN Mon 19-Nov-12 23:41:09

I dont know AF, DD went through a fiddling phase and it wasnt because of itching smile

AnyFucker Mon 19-Nov-12 23:42:20

there is that smile

but smelly, itchy, red

something is amiss

izzyishavingababyAGAIN Mon 19-Nov-12 23:43:32

yes def needs to go to docs

SchroSawMummyRidingSantaClaus Mon 19-Nov-12 23:45:40

Definitely go to the GP.

Also, sometimes UTIs seemingly have few/no symptoms.

winnybella Mon 19-Nov-12 23:51:07

Ok, so I went and shone the torch and didn't see any worms <phew>

Also, I have wiped her with wet flannel tonight and had a sniff right now and it's fine.

Thanks everyone, I'll try wiping/baths morning and evening plus enforce better wiping habit and if it's still there in a few days I'll make an appt with a doctor.

winnybella Mon 19-Nov-12 23:52:13

SchroSaw- she had one UTI few months ago and it was v.dramatic, fever, blood in urine etc, but yes, I'll keep it in mind, thanks.

SchroSawMummyRidingSantaClaus Mon 19-Nov-12 23:55:32

Sorry if it came across wrong. I only really discovered you could get them with practically no symptoms last week after being told by my GP I have one. blush

Hope you get to the bottom of it. smile

ThatVikRinA22 Mon 19-Nov-12 23:57:51

i bet worms....they are difficult to spot at the best of times but with little girls they can get into the vagina.

id nip to doctors.

its hard at preschool to stop them picking these things up.

AnyFucker Mon 19-Nov-12 23:58:04

You don't use scented baby wipes on her, do you winny ?

AnyFucker Mon 19-Nov-12 23:58:49

I would be tempted to give her the worms meds anyway

They are rife at this age, I am afraid

winnybella Mon 19-Nov-12 23:59:50

No, not at all smile Makes sense to consider all possibilities, I'm sure the doc will test her for it if it'll become clear that it's not the hygiene issue.

winnybella Tue 20-Nov-12 00:00:09

That was to Schro

winnybella Tue 20-Nov-12 00:01:30

Oh, ok. But wouldn't I have seen them now?

No, no wipes.

Hmm, maybe better to get her seen.

AnyFucker Tue 20-Nov-12 00:02:02

the best way to check for worms is in the poo, or after wiping bum after having one

they wave at you ever-so friendly, like smile

winnybella Tue 20-Nov-12 00:04:30

Oh sweet Jesus <faints>

Ok, will do that, thanks.

InNeedOfBrandy Tue 20-Nov-12 00:07:17

Have you just woke her up to shine a torch up her to look for worms? grin

ThatVikRinA22 Tue 20-Nov-12 00:07:58

im betting worms - i had no idea kids could get them until mine went to nursery. keep her nails short and scrubbed.
wash underwear and bedding at high temps and disinfect door handles etc etc. they are a bugger to get rid of - and easily passed around family members too. just like those other little darlings - nits.

im sure none of these were around when i was at school!

a dose of the meds wouldnt hurt if you cant be sure - but if you give the meds (usually just one chewable tablet and another a week later) and the symptoms stop then you have your culprit!

AnyFucker Tue 20-Nov-12 00:08:04

heh, you have some interesting years ahead

just wait until you are catching nits and worms for your own kids grin

ChippingInLovesAutumn Tue 20-Nov-12 00:08:07

UTI's don't all present like that either.

If it's a 'wiping' problem she will smell like wee, not musty, it's quite different.

I'd just take her to the Dr if I were you, at this age is no different than going because you have a sore foot, no need to wait.

AnyFucker Tue 20-Nov-12 00:08:11

*from

ThatVikRinA22 Tue 20-Nov-12 00:09:03

oh and if it is worms - you must treat the whole family at the same time to prevent re infection.

i love that mine are grown up!

winnybella Tue 20-Nov-12 00:09:19

Nah, managed to do it without waking her up grin Isn't it true that they come out when it's dark? Or did I confuse it with cockroaches or something confused

AnyFucker Tue 20-Nov-12 00:09:42

Vic is right

in this age group, worms is often "diagnosed" when there is nothing else wrong, by a process of elinination

give tablets, symptoms disappear (until the next time...)

Heroine Tue 20-Nov-12 00:10:04

If she has a habit of touching, it is as likely to be hands introducing bacteria and making the itch as itching causing the touching - more hand hygiene and less touching should help.

But I agree with the cleaning, after a wine-fuelled conversation about 'do you ever actually deliberately wash inside your belly button?' I found that my belly button, if you put your finger right in, was a bit musty.. blush so now I do definitely deliberately wash my belly button and it doesn't.. hth

blush blush

InNeedOfBrandy Tue 20-Nov-12 00:11:01

Was that to me AF grin? I have so far have missed worms <touch wood> and nits <very lucky>

AnyFucker Tue 20-Nov-12 00:11:04

Vic...it sounds like we are in the same situation and had the same fun and games a few years ago grin (but not that long ago it isn't edged with pathos and humour)

winnybella Tue 20-Nov-12 00:11:38

ChippingIn- yes, it's a bit of an 'adult' smell, if that makes sense, as opposed to just stale urine, but then I don't have any point of reference iyswim.

Will call the doc tomorrow.

AnyFucker Tue 20-Nov-12 00:12:08

brandy...it's to anyone with first child approaching 3/4 years old grin

ThatVikRinA22 Tue 20-Nov-12 00:13:17

oh this brings back memories....

dd found her own worms in her vagina. bless her. i think she decapitated one with her nail....

i had looked and looked and looked (the poor girl) and seen nothing.

id speak with gp, but id also give meds and see what goes. just remember to read the advice leaflet - it wil tell you about the washing bedding and stuff....you can get a family pack of tablets.

i think on balance, i preferred it when mine had nits over worms.

InNeedOfBrandy Tue 20-Nov-12 00:13:39

Do you think I'm safe at 5 and 6... <crosses fingers>

It's never anything I remember having as a kid either, I do remember whenever we were hungry my dm would start on about "we must have worms to be so hingry".

InNeedOfBrandy Tue 20-Nov-12 00:14:51

Shit can they be undiscovered? I have never looked up dd's vagina to even know if she has worms! They can't be there for years and years without symptons right?

winnybella Tue 20-Nov-12 00:14:56

Are the worm meds innocuous? Can I just give them to her like that? OTC or on px?

ThatVikRinA22 Tue 20-Nov-12 00:14:58

grin @ anyfucker

oh the memories.
many a night id sit with a torch up DD s nightdress. <sigh>

AnyFucker Tue 20-Nov-12 00:15:43

brandy...are you safe ?

in a word ?

nope

ThatVikRinA22 Tue 20-Nov-12 00:17:37

brandy - they can indeed be undiscovered. how do you think they are spread!? cos parents live in ignorant bliss!

the meds are safe - and i think if you talk to a chemist who does the minor ailment thing you can get them on prescription.

i always just bought the family packs. i think i got paranoid at one stage.....

InNeedOfBrandy Tue 20-Nov-12 00:19:36

Right I'm going to de-worm the 3 of us just in case. <paranoid> not going to mention the itchy bum I get sometimes

AnyFucker Tue 20-Nov-12 00:19:48

Vic...the evening I discovered I had the bastard worms

it was past 10 pm, before the days of all night chemists

I had to try and get some sleep, knowing the fuckers were in there, poking their egg-laying instruments out around my bum hole (that's what causes the intense itching)

I must have scrubbed my arse red raw sat on the loo all through the night and didn't get a wink of shuteye

I was on the doorstep of the chemist at 8am sharp with a pained expression on my face, never been so glad to see a friendly (knowing) face smile

AnyFucker Tue 20-Nov-12 00:20:09

I do apologise for TMI in that last post. grin

izzyishavingababyAGAIN Tue 20-Nov-12 00:20:24

This brings back such joyous memories of when teenage SD had worms, told me, refused to tell her mother or let me or DH take her to doctors in case - heaven forbid - her mother found out we had taken her to doctors.

She was treated, we were all treated, I boil washed (7 sets of) bedding and was extremely stressed - of course, SDs home wasnt treated and the small DCs got them again.

Oh the joy I felt at repeating the whole process.

(Not SDs fault but frustrating to say the least).

InNeedOfBrandy Tue 20-Nov-12 00:21:21

grin LOL actually laughing AF poking their egg laying instruments out around my bum hol HA sorry that is funny.

TheEnthusiasticTroll Tue 20-Nov-12 00:22:20

My dd does this and she is 6 I find good hand hygiene prevents the whiffs. If her hands are not clean she is spreading dirt and bacteria. So if she has hands down pants as soon as they come out hands get washed. Also the unclean hands down the pants can cause red and soreness, hand washing also helps keep this at bay.

Hand washing after and before everything that requires clean hands is a good habit to get into.

It's perfectly normal as other posters suggest I would not worry too much up the hand hygiene and see how it goes. I also found that at this age they need to wash with a flannel in the bath, up until then a general soak etc along with help with wiping after using the toilet was sufficient but as girls get older and more self sufficient they do need to specifically wash genital area with a flannel.

ThatVikRinA22 Tue 20-Nov-12 00:27:04

oh sympathies af. i never actually found any - er - of my own but i know the kids had them and that means we did too....law of averages and all that.

i did try and look. contortions with a mirror were not terribly easy as im not all that flexible!

i used to have family packs of worm tablets in (just in case) alone with family packs of headlice lotions....

my cupboard was always stocked! ever since i discovered the little buggers existed!

i managed a whole childhood without nits, and then the kids gave them to me. the paranoia after that.....

i would sit shaking my head onto a white bit of A4 every night.
just in case.

isnt it funny how you forget all this when they grow up?

AnyFucker Tue 20-Nov-12 00:29:16

I will never forget

< sweats, hyperventilates >

winnybella Tue 20-Nov-12 00:29:49

Thanks, TET. It's true that I have got a bit relaxed about all of this, tbh blush Bath 3-4 times a week and that was it. As she cannot wipe properly/has hands in her knickers/could do with more hand washing as well obviously things need to change.

Off to bed, thank you all smile

winnybella Tue 20-Nov-12 00:30:07

Ha ha ha, AF grin

ThatVikRinA22 Tue 20-Nov-12 00:37:34

i remember imparting these gems to my Dsis whose boy is just a year and a bit younger than my eldest....

her face was priceless.
he had worms too. she had no idea.

it does make me wonder how we can split the atom but not get rid of these parasitic little bastards....

TheEnthusiasticTroll Tue 20-Nov-12 00:46:18

No need to be blush sorry I didn't mean my post to be accusing, it's just I know my self from experience that little girls fiddle and don't always wash hands.

My dd will go as long as she can without seeing any water, its swimming on Mondays and she lucky if she sees the bath tub before Saturday morning grin. And my dd is pretty grotty sometimes if not reminded.

ChippingInLovesAutumn Tue 20-Nov-12 01:06:15

Winny - you are lucky not to have any reference grin If it was wee you'd know, it's more acrid, not yeasty/musty/adult.

It could just be the handwashing/fiddling etc starting it off - but those things in themselves don't cause a smell, they create the right environment for an infection/bacteria to grow etc - so it's still best to get her checked out. At her age she shouldn't smell 'adult' even if she's not bathed in a fortnight - wee'y and revolting maybe grin but not that other smell.

Be careful what she is washing with (and how energetically - I lost count of the times I said 'Barbies leg does not go there' and other sentences you never think you will utter grin). Lots of childrens bath stuff isn't great, it's far too fragranced for small kids and lots of soap too - make sure you're using something gentle.

TheEnthusiasticTroll Tue 20-Nov-12 01:31:50

Yy nothing soapy and fragranced, I use a drops of sanex in the bath or a drop of the mermaid or pirate bubbles and dd uses the flannel in the water with no soap or shower gel to wash.

AnyFucker Tue 20-Nov-12 22:45:22

any updates ?

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