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Help, DD2 10.5 months to go milk & dairy free

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I've got some LF milk from GP.

What products can I find as a substitute for yoghurts, butter, cheese, bread etc. it's all a bit overwhelming what I will need to change.

Thanks

Alpro do nice yogurts. M&S do a nice dairy free sunflower spread, oatly and Kara coconut milk are pretty good for cooking.

Tesco free from
Range has a dairy free instant cheese sauce mix. Alpro also do deserts. Swedish glacé is available in tesco and it's a good soya ice cream! smile it's really not that hard honestly smile

Just make your own sponges/puddings using dairy free marge. Custard can be bought in cartons from supermarkets ( alpro) or ur local health food shop (provamel)

Oatly makes rice pudding pretty well as does Kara and if she's ok with nuts then there's hazelnut /almond milk that u can use for custard/ rice pudding etc. my dd likes portage made with oatly it just goes a little thick so add extra after to thin down smile

Lovely thanks Ladies smile

arghhelpme Tue 13-Nov-12 17:54:14

DS1 grew up on alpro desserts for pudding after dinner when he was little, they do toffee, vanilla and chocolate.
Alpro also do yoghurts although they are lumpy, they do sell one pack which is smooth.

For baking i always used to use vitalite.

Iny local tescos they upped the free from range and have a reasonable selection of own brand yogurts, milk and cheese all dairy free.

Just remember to shake your milk substitute well when using as it can settle. grin if your dd is sensitive to soya ( many milk allergic kids are) then there r also yogurts available made from pea protein. Available in ur local health store ( many will order you in stuff and help you ) don't bother with dairy free cheese it's vile grin

Thanks again ladies. I'm writing a shopping list of all you recommend. smile

Pancakeflipper Tue 13-Nov-12 18:10:19

We use Alpro yoghurts and the custard.
Alot of sliced breads are ok. Avoid breads in the supermarket bakery.
We also have pitta bread.
Lots of dairy free spreads. For baking I use stork block in the gold wrapper.
Also some of fridge section ready made pastry are dairy free ( so you can make some good puds for all the family).
We don't touch cheese at all as not found a version that taste anything but foul.
There's a good thread in Allergies about surprising things that free-from dairy/eggs etc. well worth a read, it will make you think it ain't so bad.

Pancakeflipper Tue 13-Nov-12 18:11:16

Oh forgot to say my DS2 cannot drink soya so we use an oat milk. It's not bad.

There's a great thread in Allergies that might help you too - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/allergies/1550631-Surprise-dairy-egg-free-finds-join-me-in-making-a-list.

Oooooooh and sainsbury do a free from packet of chocolate buttons smile

Beware of crisps ( I know she's young so this might not be applicable) but some do contain lactose or whey powder so always check ingredients. Also check breakfast cereals for milk powder. There's always porridge smile

Luckily allergen information is on everything now, u will soon become a label expert smile

vodkaanddietirnbru Tue 13-Nov-12 19:40:41

what sort of milk have you been prescribed as Lactose free is not the same as Dairy free i.e. lactose free has the lactose (milk sugar) removed but still contains the milk protein. If he is supposed to be dairy free then lactose free milk will not help. Is it lactose or milk protein he needs to avoid?

She's been put on SMA LF milk. As we're not sure which she has to avoid so it's currently a trial of taking dairy & milk products away.

Milk changing to LF and changing other things too. As I say it's all over shelling knowing what's what.

But lactosefree milk still has dairy in doesn't it? In the same way that lactosefree cheese is made from milk? I would check with the GP - there's no point you cutting out dairy if it's in the LF milk.

Pancakeflipper Tue 13-Nov-12 20:12:45

Lactose free is still dairy. Ask to see a dietician, they will help in the minefield of dairy-free milks. There are prescribed non-alleged milks for little ones.

vodkaanddietirnbru Tue 13-Nov-12 20:26:48

LF milk still has dairy in it as it still has the cows milk protein in it. If he has to avoid dairy then you need a dairy free milk rather than just lactose free. I think your gp needs re-educating about the difference between milk sugar and milk protein.

vodkaanddietirnbru Tue 13-Nov-12 20:28:59

So sorry, keep saying 'him' and you have a dd! Sorry again

I have to try LF and change to soya products first. If DD2 is still not happy then it goes completely dairy-free so everything will change again. iykwim. I've got a major head cold too so all things are fuzzy & mushy to take in. Sorry if I'm nit making much sense.

HV will be referring us to a dietician too.

Just try to relax smile it really isnt as hard work as you might think and there's always us lot to answer any questions. Just keep it simple while u get your head around it go for tomato based pasta dishes , beans on toast , homemade soup, spag Bol , stews, veg fruit and soya yogurt. Stuff u don't have to worry about label checking.
smile

Thank you. I know I'll have loads of questions and will def read that other thread.

just spoken to my HV to clarify a few things and she said to take her off both lactose and the milk protein so just rang GP and waiting for a call back for formula to change and to ask they put some bread on script too.

thanks ladies, this is why I love MN as feel completely lost at this change. Also thanks for the link to the other thread, it looks a great help. smile

smile that's gonna be much easier in a way. Completely dairy free u can get a base line of how she is and then it will be easier to work out what's upsetting her smile

Just a question, does it mean she can't have soya stuff too?

Thank you for coming back to the thread smile

Around 40% of babies intolerant to milk are also intolerant/ allergic to soy. As the proteins r similar . If ur dd is intolerant to the lactose then chances r soya will be fine but if it's the protein then there's a chance she will have a problem with soya. Soya free is harder than dairy free alone as many of the alternatives are Soya based. It's up to u what way round u do it whether u avoid soya too or risk giving it. Dairy takes about a month to leave the system so if there's no improvement after a month then maybe then u could remove soya too. My dd is fine with soya and ur dd might be too. If u wanted to avoid the soya milk too then Kara coconut milk is very good!! And the health food store will sell yogurts derived from pea protein.
But u will have to check everything u buy with regards to soya if u choose not to eat soya smile

Thank you. HV def thinks it is both the lactose & protein so will have to avoid soya too then or try in small doses. so much to take in. Thank you smile

Jojay Wed 14-Nov-12 14:58:40

What are her symptoms when she has dairy? Are they thinking allergy or intolerance? If it's allergy, they should be able to test and let you know definitively re soya.

My tiwns are allergic to CMP (cows milk protein) and eggs but are fine with soya.

Utilize ur local
Health store smile many can order things in especially smile

Hi, bad tummy ache and really really constipated if has too much milk & dairy. it has been monitored for a while as she has been like it since birth and we've changed several things before. Will be getting a referral to a dietician too to go thru & confirm all the ins and outs. So in meantime I have to cut everything out. she gets so poorly, hard to see my baby screaming in pain sad

Thanks Wheresmycaffiene smile

DD2 has been put on nutramigen AA milk and referred to a dietician. So will see what happens hopefully will make a difference in her tummy & bowel habits and not make her so constipated. My poor baby sad

From what I've heard nutramigen is one of the worst tasting milks so be prepared to do some mixing in with old milk to get her to take it. It hey r also vile cold so may well have to
Be heated more than usual in order for her to accept the new milk. Dd2 had aptamil pepti which was one of the more palatable. U may well be lucky and she takes straight away. On plus side these milks are amazing and the difference in the baby is instant all though the pooing may well take a bit of time to regulate itself but she will feel better instantly smile

Once they get to a year there r other options. Like babies van move info cows milk they can also move into the alternatives. Although u will be able to get the prescription for awhile yet, smile

Oh and here's to a happier little girl. It really is amazing how good these milks r smile

Thanks Wheresmycaffeinedrip I hope in a couple of weeks her tummy & bowel problems will have got better and she will be able to go to the toilet without needing lactulose to go and it being a softer stool for her. Looking at info for all the Nutramigen milks AA is the best one, doesn't smell foul and seems to be a lot more drinkable.

How would I mix if she doesn't take it on its own?

Just do half old milk and half new milk and gradually increase quantities. I would say however that as she's older u could probably just get away with offering it her all day until she takes it as u can just flood her food with it until she does. And if she's been fed solids before hand she won't be starving so u should have time for her to put it down and go back to it for a bit without her being hysterical if that makes sense. How many bottles a day does she have, it's most likely going to be the night time one that will upset her as it will be different so perhaps give he a cup/ small bottle in the day time first to see how u go. Ya never know she might just take straight to it x

It varies tbh she has 3 meals a day and anywhere between 1-3 bottles. Just depends how much solid food she has iykwim.

Thanks your advice really is great and helping me a whole lot. smile

MrsSpencerReid Thu 15-Nov-12 14:22:42

My DS is on aptimil pepti it's not too horrid tasting! Good luck, we have been referred to a dietician as he can't live on veg and rice cakes forever!! Sorry not much help there smile

No problem smile well as soon as u get the milk try her on a little bottle of it and see how she reacts. Some quite happily chop and change . Dd2 was happy straight away but was much younger. The problem cane when dr gave us am alternative which she hated but as I had run out I had no choice but to just give it. Took two days and she caved. I just put extra oatly on her porridge and made white sauces so she was taking something at least .
Your dd may well be a little wary of milk as she feels so horrid after but once she realizes this ones ok I'm sure she will be fine. Let us know how u get on smile

The pharmacy are ordering her milk in and will call me when it arrives along with her bread.

Brought some Kara coconut milk for her today too. To have over cereal & make custard with etc. x

MrsSpencerReid Thu 15-Nov-12 21:34:29

Hope it makes a difference for her and you, just out of interest, what bread is she getting? I didn't realise you could get dairy free bread on prescription!!!

Genius/Genus (sp?) brown loaf.

Thanks smile

Only reason I know is because I work in a doctors practice and deal with a lot of prescriptions every day.

MrsSpencerReid Fri 16-Nov-12 08:49:51

Ah, thanks, I thought you could only get if you were gluten free, hummmm smile

Just smile sweetly lol smile

Well she refuses to drink the Nutramigen. I made an 8oz bottle - 6oz SMA LF & 2oz Nutramigen and refuses to drink it. Made an 8oz SMA LF bottle and she's happily drinking it. What do I do?

Try reducing the nutramigen by another half oz. make sure it's really warm. Sounds like it could take a little while . U could try making up a cup containing an oz and just leave it for her to take when she pleases ( obviously no more than the hour stated on how long a made up formula last out the fridge)

I will probably also get flamed for this but if she really won't take it I would speak to dr Monday as she's what 5 maybe six weeks of a yr. he may well say its ok to put her straight onto a shop bought milk like the Kara ( perhaps with addition of vitamin drops if he deems needed) how is she with the Kara on cereal?

Fine with Kara. She loved it. HV gave me a name of vitamins I need to get.

Going to see if SMA LF will be fine until we can stop her on formula & switch to Kara.

That sounds like a good plan. What will u do if the LF isn't any good? smile

Um.....I'll persevere with the Nutramigen too tho smile

It only for a month smile sure u can manage til then.

We will thank you smile

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Sat 17-Nov-12 19:36:25

I make rice pudding with DS3's Nutramigen. It's what's for pudding tonight!

Pure sunflower spread and Vitalite are good substitutes for sandwiches, but I find Block Stork far superior for baking. Has to be the BLOCK Stork though, the one in the gold wrapper.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Sat 17-Nov-12 19:38:25

Try 1oz Nutramigen, 7oz SMA.

Then drop an ounce of SMA for Nutramigen every other day. That's how I got DS3 to take it. And now he guzzles it! He's been on it for 9 months, since I stopped bf at 12mo.

Thanks ladies will try that.

I'll buy some gold block stork too as I do a lot of baking.

I'm still learning what she can & cannot have, so all advice and info is gratefully received smile

Well DD2 loves Kara milk on Cheerios smile

DD2 has just drank a bottle with 7oz SMA LF & 1oz Nutramigen grin

DD2 is taking 6oz SMA LF & 2oz Nutramigen grin

grin go baby!! That's fab smile

5oz SMA LF & 3oz Nutramigen grin

grin that's great going!!!!! Xx

Yay we are on full Nutramigen smile

Huge grin how is she doing? Any improvement smile

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Fri 23-Nov-12 18:59:49

Brilliant. I'm glad you have got there.

She seems happier in herself. Need to get some Movicol into her to really clear her out and see from there but she has been going to toilet without screaming so that's an improvement smile

Wow!!! Fantastic news smile must be a amazing to see

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Fri 23-Nov-12 23:22:51

Movicol in such a young baby? Would a dab of prune juice in her porridge not do the same thing? I didn't even need to do that much with DS3 - around a week after he was on full Nutramigen, it, erm, sorted itself out quite violently and ruining a lovely outfit...

Couthy DD2 had been on just Nutramigen since yesterday so only time will tell.

Re Movicol, I have that & big bottle of lactulose to help her poo. sad wish she could do it on her own without any pain.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Sat 24-Nov-12 08:57:28

It does happen, her gut just needs to heal first. DS3 is now 22 months (today) and he has no trouble at all with pooing. Hang in there, it does get better!

Today I am practicing icing some Organix Goodies mini gingerbread men to look like snowmen, Santa's and reindeer so that I know I can put some Christmas treats in his stocking.

I find that a lot of the baby snacks are dairy/soy/nut free, so he still has a lot of those.

Organix rice cakes, Organix crisps in the orange, pink and red bags are OK (NOT the green or yellow bags). Also the Organix Goodies cereal bars are mostly dairy free - there is even a chocolate flavour one that is made purely with cocoa and is dairy free, but Tesco doesn't stock it.

A lot of Kiddylicious toddler snacks are dairy/soy/nut free too. The fruit crisps and the smoothie melts are, anyway.

I've even found dairy/soy/nut free popcorn - the POPZ brand in sweet that you do in the microwave. (We have family film night and he kept trying to nick popcorn so I now do this one).

There's lots of alternatives.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Sat 24-Nov-12 08:59:34

I find the tinned mandarins that DS3 eats helps to keep him regular. He has a small pot most days with his breakfast as he is also allergic to a lot of fruit, and this is one that he can safely eat.

Thanks for all that info. DH is writing a shopping list so will add those things on. Would you just keep her on milk for a few days and start food again once she's had a good clear out or what? I'm not sure tbh.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Sat 24-Nov-12 09:33:17

At 10/11mo, I'd reintroduce foods slowly so that you can see if age is reacting to anything else. With CMP issues, I would be careful with bread because all shop bought bread has soya in.

When my DS3 first went dairy free, I was using soya replacements. He ended up developing an allergy to soya too, like 80% of people with CMP allergy.

Simple, one ingredient foods to start with, or food that you have made yourself and know exactly what is in it, and build up gradually over the next week or two until she is back on a full diet.

Under a year this isn't so difficult - think of the mantra "Food is for fun until they are one."

The majority of her nutrition will be coming from the Nutramigen still. How many ounces does she have in a day? I know for a 20mo, 30oz a day provides all the vitamins and minerals that they need.

I didn't get to see a dietician until then though, so I'm not 100% sure for a younger DC. I think I remember from the chart that it was about the same though.

That also includes any Nutramigen that you mix into cereal etc.

Be careful with baby food and ALL porridge - almost ALL contain milk protein or soya. The only two I've found that don't are Cow & Gate 'Sunny Start' banana porridge and Cow & Gate 'Sunny Start' fruity crunch cereal'.

All adult brands contain either milk protein, soya lecithin or both.

If you get stuck on food suggestions, feel free to PM me and I'm happy to help.

Thank you so much, as its all baffling and seeing her in pain to go to toilet is heartbreaking! Constipation is the worst thing bless her.

I will do that. Give her a couple of days of Nutramigen then start to re introduce food.

The Organix yellow/green cheese & herbs, DD2 loves so have they got milk & the protein in? Shame if they do as they are her favs. I know AK baby foods are dairy-free.

I haven't tried her on soya based products yet. Need to get some yoghurts tho.

My GP has issued dairy, wheat & gluten free bread on prescription so am okay there.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Sat 24-Nov-12 10:10:34

Be warned though - baby porridge is rank and bitter when mixed just with Nutramigen. To get DS3 to eat it, I mix it up half with Nutramigen and half with the juice from a Tesco goodness pot of mandarins, and I break up the mandarins into the porridge. Makes it slightly more palatable!

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Sat 24-Nov-12 10:12:59

Yep, the green ones have milk protein in, I'm afraid. DS3 preferred the orange carrot ones until he got a bit bigger, I guess as he never had the green ones!

I do think the flavour on the pink pack and the red pack is quite strong for a little one, but they are DS3's faves now. He likes the pink ones best because he can put them on his fingers like rings and eat them like that. hmm

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Sat 24-Nov-12 10:14:58

Tbh I manage well without the soya replacements, as I make rice pudding with Oatly for DS3. That is a decent pudding.

Or lightly whipped Oatly cream with a fruit purée sachet from the baby aisle makes a good yoghurt replacement.

Brilliant. I'm sure DD2 would do that with hoops on her fingers grin

DD1 goes thru a lot of tinned fruit so will just buy extra for DD2.

Which porridge so you use - ready brek?

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Sat 24-Nov-12 10:18:38

You're lucky! We don't get the bread on prescription here, it costs me £17 a week now as 10yo DS1 has to eat it too as he is GF due to being coeliac.

What brand have you been prescribed? After 5 years of trying every brand on the market, I can safely say that Warburton's Gluten free & Wheat free is the best, and is also dairy & soy free too.

All the others crumble into dust the minute you try to spread anything on them, and as for toasting them, HA! They crumble as you try to get them out of the toaster. Genius is particularly bad for that!

I've got some Oatley single cream & Kara coconut milk - which I mix in with her cereal. Haven't made rice pudding with either of those 2 milks yet and she loves rice pudding. Made custard with the Kara milk and she polished a huge bowl of that off smile

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Sat 24-Nov-12 10:20:46

No, only the Cow & Gate ones because the others have milk protein or soya in (DS3 has a allergy with soy which developed AFTER his allergy to CMP)

DON'T use Ready Brek - that one in particular has milk powder in it, caused a massive reaction in DS3 before I realised!

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Sat 24-Nov-12 10:22:27

DS3 doesn't like the 'grainy' texture of Karo, but he is fine with Oatly, so I use a lot of it!

The chocolate flavour one is nice warmed through as a hot chocolate, but I tend to mix it half and half with the plain one as it is quite dark as it is made 'chocolatey' with cocoa powder.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Sat 24-Nov-12 10:23:36

I haven't attempted custard yet, but have read on another thread that Bird's custard powder is dairy free, so am going to check that it is soy free too and if so, try it for him.

She's been given Genius white bread and I've found it okay to spread & toast and she eats it fine. Doc put on script 4 loaves. The pharmacy mis-ordered and I had 4 boxes of 8 loaves so had 32 loaves to deal with!

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Sat 24-Nov-12 10:31:17

32 loaves! grin bread pudding made with Block Stork?!

Birds custard powder is soya free too. Have to buy the tub tho & not the sachets as they have milk in.

Haven't tried DD2 on chocolate milk yet. Will buy some of that too.

I try and get as much fluid into her to try and help with digestion & bowel movements but to no avail yet.

I have some C&G sunny start porridge here so that's a good start smile

I only took 2 boxes had no room for any more. Nursery took 8. I had 4 and my nan bless her put 4 in her freezer for me.

Now my sister bless her heart brought me a tub of stork instead of the gold block. Is the tub of stork no good?

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Sat 24-Nov-12 10:39:48

I'm not sure tbh, but it's not as good for baking or pastry. I'll check the ingredients.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Sat 24-Nov-12 10:41:23

No, it's got buttermilk in, I knew there was a reason I couldn't use it!

Ok thanks.

I can't make pastry so buy Jus-Roll stuff. Need to bake some cakes tho.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Sat 24-Nov-12 10:43:16

Thanks for the info on custard - I can make trifle now for Christmas!

Strawberry jelly, Tesco savoir fingers are dairy/soy free, birds custard and Whipped Oatly cream!!

We have trifle. grin

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Sat 24-Nov-12 10:43:50

I can't make pastry either! Tesco pastry is cheaper than Jus-Rol.

ooo yep i'll be making a trifle for xmas too. We are round my parents on xmas day so will be making a small dairy & soya free trifle for DD2.

Jus-Rol is only a £1 in Asda at the moment so been buying from there.

Robinsons classic mincemeat is dairy & soya free so I made some mince pies on tuesday with DD1 and they went down a treat too.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Sat 24-Nov-12 11:13:38

I've just bought some Robertson's too! grin

I'm going o make some cakes using stork smile

DD1 likes the Genius bread too.

Both girls just polished off bread & hotdogs grin

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Sat 24-Nov-12 19:15:11

I've had ham, sage and mushroom risotto.

Yum!

Ooo that sounds yummy!

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