Mumsnetters aren't necessarily qualified to help if your child is unwell. If you have any serious medical concerns, we would urge you to consult your GP.

Threadworms - how many have them?

(206 Posts)
Mumof3darlings Fri 19-Oct-12 16:16:02

Dear All,

I feel like I am going mad!

1 week ago I noticed DS (age 4) scratching his bum a couple of times, I immediately thought he might have worms. Checked that night by looking up his bum with a torch and immediately saw a wriggling little blighter which quite honestly made me feel sick to the stomach! My DS is a clean little boy, ie washes his hands after loo, not always before eating though and we have a very clean home but I try not to be too OTT with the kids about not touching mud/sand etc while we are in garden etc as I feel like they have gotta play/get germs etc!!!

So I gave kids and me and DH medicine... Next day checked DS no 2's nappy whilst changing him and noticed a worm in there too!!!! agggrrr!!! This sent me over the edge tbh as I felt like the medication was my only hope!!!

OK so in last week I have checked DSno 2's nappy probably a dozen times and nothing... Also checked up DS1's bum while he sleeps every night and it's clean as a whistle.. I need to give the medication again after 2 weeks but to be sure I gave us all it again yesterday just in case.

I have a doctor who advises both on natural and mainstream medicines and he advised we could all take an aloe vera drink each morning which is preventative.. so we are taking this (which I feel is more for my mind than anything else)..

I have cleaned bedding, hoovered, washed, towels have been washed after every wash - the amount of washing I have done this week is as much as a busy launderette!!! Poor little DS1 is marched home from school and told to wash his hands immediately... I am watching other kids in his class and noticed one of them scratching his bum the other day - I am thinking about this subject 100% of the time - I honestly feel like I have become obsessed with it!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had threadworms as a child quite a few times and I have had them as an adult too - immediately treating the problem. It always freaks me out everytime but this time seems worse as I noticed it in both my kids... what am I doing wrong???

I think the worst thing about this is that I feel so alone with it as nobody has EVER told me that their kids have this... Do people just not realise? or is it just that we are unlucky and get it more than others... Today I decided (after 1 week) to tell my DS's teacher. I found it so difficult to do as I am so embarrased and feel so guilty about it. I was hopeful she would tell me that she had seen it a hundred times before - she's been a teacher for about 15 years - but she didn't!!!!!!!!!! She was very nice, very understanding but said she had never known of a child having it before - OMG made me feel like a freak!!!

Help me - please tell me either what I am doing wrong or why it is that people don't discuss this????

Thanks for reading!!

x x

WowOoo Fri 19-Oct-12 16:19:44

I think people don't admit to it.
Nobody did when I told ds' teacher.

Then, on a night out when some parents were tipsy they all admitted that their children had had it.

Hope they go away. I hated it so much. Mind you, it was good to have such a clean house.

Mumof3darlings Fri 19-Oct-12 16:24:06

Thank you !!!! I guess maybe I am not the only one who feel so embarrased about it which is why other's don't admit to it.. I am honestly thinking this must be the case as surely it just doesn't stack up!!! Either that or some don't even realise their kids ever have it - I noticed immediately that DS was scratching and so investigated but maybe some parents don't do that??

mudipig Fri 19-Oct-12 19:17:39

No it's just that people don't talk about it. Mine's had it twice. It can be passed from one dc to another so I think it's more a case of catching it, rather than poor hygiene.

Fairylea Fri 19-Oct-12 19:21:07

We have had them and believe me we are a super clean lot !! To the point my mother thinks I have housework ocd !

The one thing I've found really helped to get rid of them (as well as Ovex obviously) is washing all bedding and pjs at 70 degrees to kill all the eggs off.. and I do this even now as a precaution. I also make sure the dc have clean pjs every single day.
It is very very common.

Dededum Fri 19-Oct-12 19:22:15

Mine have had threadworms as have I.

KennethParcell Fri 19-Oct-12 19:23:58

I remember my mum forcing my brothers and me to drink something strange, and she drank it too. and i had had an itchy bum and was wondering if I should pluck up the courage to tell her. then it sort of resolved itself. i think we all had worms now looking back on it! i think my mum had them too!

ContinentalKat Fri 19-Oct-12 19:26:00

We haven't had them yet?, but have had letters from school once before summer hols and once after saying "there is a case of threadworms in your child's class". Seems pretty common. Ever since the first letter I am super strict about handwashing before eating!

BeehavingBaby Fri 19-Oct-12 19:45:31

DDs have had it once for sure and one suspected episode. It is the biggest PITA and no, I didn't tell anyone I didn't have to blush. Had to maintain the laundry, freezing and damp dusting regime for weeks either side of DD3's birth as neither she or I could take the meds. I've never caught it but DH gets the paranoia and it constantly convinced he has! I

blondefriend Sat 20-Oct-12 22:14:00

My son has had it but luckily it didn't spread to the rest of us. However my butt is now itching - paranoia starting up. ;)

Is it common? Do you check your children's bums in the night? My dd would freak if she woke to find me shining a torch up her bum!

How do you check your own bum??

Mumof3darlings Sat 20-Oct-12 23:03:37

Apperently it is common.. The only way I ever discovered I had it in the past was after feeling a worm in my bum as the female comes out (usually at night but for me it was in the evening) and lays eggs around the anus. I literally felt a wriggly worm in my bottom - totally gross (sorry) it is horrendous! Went to loo and fished it out with bit of loo roll - then felt I'll at the thought of it..

My DS is such a heavy sleeper he wouldn't wake to anything so now I am checking his bum every night.. I can't imagine me keeping this up forever.. Also I don't think my state of mind is very healthy at the moment with how I am feeling about this whole thing. I honestly feel like I am developing OCD with cleaning things, my kids and myself! My hands are chapped with the amount of times I am washing them..

Thanks for the support just knowing others have experienced it makes me feel less of a freak!

Thanks for tip on clean pjs every day and washing bedding at 70degs.

I think if DS got this at school then he's gonna get if again and I honestly feel like I can't cope with episodes repeatedly!

I know this all might seem totally dramatic and I do realise that it's a minor problem and it could be something much more serious. So why am I going nuts?

Thanks everyone x

FunnysInLaJardin Sat 20-Oct-12 23:07:46

we have just got over our first bout. DS1 and DH had them. We have never had them before and I felt yuck about it.

FannyFifer Sat 20-Oct-12 23:10:35

Aww love, you need to calm down, no need to keep checking his bum, you've have him the medicine.

I've had them loads, several times as a child, a few times as an adult.

Both my kids and DP had them last month, poor DD had a horrific dose but the meds worked quickly.

I'm a nurse so quite relaxed about it, it's really common, if people were more open about it then it wouldn't be a big deal.

Don't stress, you have dealt with it. smile

Mumof3darlings Sat 20-Oct-12 23:16:22

Thank u fannyfiter!! This is just what I needed to hear - thank u x x

crappypatty Sat 20-Oct-12 23:22:09

dd had them three times in one year. I treated everybody and cleaned etc etc. Nobody else ever caught them.

However she started to get stomach ache every night, my imagination ran riot . I took her docs who insisted it was colic and not a 10 ft worm growing in her stomach blush

That was about two years ago and she has been fine since, worm and stomach ache free.

newlark Sat 20-Oct-12 23:27:09

Dd(5)had them in the summer holidays - apparently incredibly common- so the pharmacist in Boots told me when I went to get the tablets - she seemed almost surprised it was our first experience of them. We are all pretty careful with hand washing etc - I suspect it got picked up at a summer camp she did for a week. Dd woke up in the night saying her bottom hurt and dh had a look and saw them and called me in - rather grossed out by it really!

SleeveOfWizard Sun 21-Oct-12 00:04:13

We have them too! Chinese laundry here as we speak.

loler Sun 21-Oct-12 00:05:03

We've had them loads of times too.

DS1 has had them 3 times since the summer holidays - he bites his nails so I think he gets it from that. We have tonnes of stop-n-grow as well as over now!

I've been into school every time, they got the school nurse in to give a talk about hand washing but there was no information sent home. I don't think lots of people are aware of the signs, even the school secretary said she was going to go home and dose up her son who had an itchy bum.

They are completely gross and I am tempted to dose the kids monthly like I do the dog (non-transferrable wigglers by the way).

Mumof3darlings Sun 21-Oct-12 12:51:09

It's interesting you say about this dosing them monthly I was thinking of doing the same. I'm not one for giving any of us medication regularly but with these I make an exception!

Does anyone know if you/the worms would become immune to the meda though?

Thanks for replies it's making me feel much better. It's a pity people don't talk about it more openly because I think it would be so much better, however I am reluctant to be the first to confess at the next play date!!!

I am taking the following measures - what else should I do?

Washing towels after every use 70degs, bedding was washed after first sighting and then again after 7 days (70degs) I think it would be better to do everyday but can't manage the washing! Everything else hoovered cleaned but not every day! Hands - mine are chapped from cleaning.. DCs wear nappies and pants at night and are bathed as soon as they get up now (poor things can't even eat their breakfast) or have a cuddle! Hands washes after toilet (always were) and ALWAYS before eating (I was not as strict on this if they had just been playing in house or in park if we just grabbed a snack!..

I know ideally the bedding should be washed every day but I am struggling with the washing as it is with all the towels, clothes they go through anyway.. I have almost stopped ironing stuff this week, devoting my time to the extra washing cleaning - kids may be more scruffy but at least they have clean intestines!!!

The worst thing (for me) about our infection is that I saw it in 2 of my kids - this confirmed that the eggs WERE loose in our home as they had got them off each other some how!!

Thank you again for all the replies! x

My dc & i have had them once, doctor misdiagnosed eldest with dermatitus when i described her itchy bum to him hence the reason we all caught them considering he gave her cream for that instead of worm treatment!
So off we all went to the pharmacy and i ended up having to buy the treatment angrygrrr nearly £8!
Bloody doctor!

FannyFifer Sun 21-Oct-12 16:05:15

Not necessarily eggs in your house, may have been them both playing in garden or a toy or in someone else's house.

You sound so stressed, you have done everything right, no need to dose every month, it's quite strong medicine so only if you suspect worms again.

Bed sheets will be fine. grin

FannyFifer Sun 21-Oct-12 16:09:08

The only extra thing I did was damp dust, and got rid of playdoh.
I told DD's playgroup and they ditched their sand and playdoh and did an extra clean of the toys.

I don't get embarrassed easily though, would rather they knew and maybe decrease chance of dd catching again.

We've them a couple of times with both kids.

You are doing a lot of washing! Rather than wash everything every day, I just do all towels and bedding immediately, then make sure they wear clean pants at night. Whip them off first thing in the morning and wash their bottoms to get rid of any eggs. Keep on with that until the second dose after two weeks then you can calm down.

Change towels and sheets and PJs weekly, keep fingernails short and try to encourage good handwashing routines as much as you can at home.

DD1 is a scant handwasher at school, I am sure of it, and she's the one that gets reinfected. It is very common.

Mumof3darlings Sun 21-Oct-12 19:13:47

Thank you ladies, we don't have any play doh at the moment but good tip as I can imagine this is a bad place where fingers have been used a lot..

I actually am so stressed maybe worstened by reading too much on other sites of people who can't get rid of them and reckon they have been infested for years! I think I have deep down convinced myself this is gonna happen.. Totally irrational I know, I think I have lost the plot. This is not a serious thing and I have experienced so much worse in my life. Right now I feel like this is taking over me and I am not like this normally. I know so many people who found new baby, breast feeding, sleepless nights, tantrums etc etc hard but I took all this in my stride - this feels like the biggest challenge yet!!! Kids have had virus' and infections etc and yet this seems different as I've seen it squirming!!

Fannyfifer I really appreciate you telling me I'm doing everything right and

Mumof3darlings Sun 21-Oct-12 19:21:14

Duchess thank you for your tip on washing so just to confirm you mean you washed towels after first sighting of the worms then after medication given and therefore worms killed you washed weekly towels, bedding and pjs with pants washed every night? My rational for washing towels after every wash is that after a bum wash I might have left some eggs on the skin!!??!!! I need to sort myself out because I feel like I'm developing OCD!!!

Quick question on meds - mine had vermox 20mg (5ml) for 3 consecutive days then after one week I gave them a 1 off 100mg vermox capsule - does this sound similar to the meds u buy in the uk and am I doing it right? I live abroad and bought over the counter this is what it said to to (the medicine for 3 days not the repeat after 1 week - that was me being paranoid)

A final question. On day 2 of the meds (I think it was) DS2 had a live worm in his poo when I changed his nappy - is that normal that the medicine didn't kill them all straight away? It made me think it hadn't worked!!

Thank you again and sorry I keep going over and over this x

Mumof3darlings Sun 21-Oct-12 19:22:04

Wizard - so sorry to hear u have this too :-( x

Are there other symptoms other than an itchy bum?

Mumof3darlings Sun 21-Oct-12 19:40:15

I don't know why the rest of my last message didn't post...i've lost it now.. The plot and the message x

Mumof3darlings Sun 21-Oct-12 19:44:41

I would say there are two types of sensations which are symptoms. An itchy bum which is caused by the eggs laid round the anus and then the actual feeling of the worm wriggling in the anus - this is more like a tickling not an itching and is gross!

I would say that other symptoms are kids waking for no reason in night and also soreness around anus and vagina.

Other might suggest more?

x

Vermox and Ovex (which is what I use) is Mebendazole - which doesn't kill the worms, it just weakens them so that they can be expelled. After taking the meds, it'll be a few days before it kicks in - and depending on where they are in their life cycle, they may still be laying eggs. Hence the precautions to rid yourself of the eggs even after taking the meds. Hence also taking a second precautionary dose after 2 weeks - to knock off any that might have hatched in the day ot two after the first lot of meds. That's why I always do the second dose even though its technically not necessary.

As for the washing, I do all sheets, towels and PJs immediately. Then I keep them in clean pants at bedtime (followed by morning bottom washing) for at least the next two weeks until after the second dose. As for bedding, I go straight back to weekly but you could use a fresh hand-towel for drying bottoms - at least until the two weeks are up. Pants are clean on every night.

Tbh, keeping fingernails short and good hand washing is your best protection.

In girls, it very often presents as a stabbing pain in the vagina. The worms often crawl in there and they can really aggravate those sensitive tissues. I know of many young girls who have been diagnosed with thrush when it is actually worms.

It generally will wake kids in discomfort or pain in the late evening when the worms are active. With mine its usually between 10-11pm. If untreated, it will pass after a few nights as the worms die, and then reoccur two weeks later as the next batch become active. So it can present intermittently.

I have read that with some kids it can also present as tummy ache but this hasn't happened with mine.

IF it does occur, the little ones will be very uncomfortable until the meds kick in. Removing the active worm(s) is often the only way to stop it hurting so much - or failing that, a good slathering of Sudocreme can lessen the feeling of them crawling. DH refuses to go fishing for worms but I am a dab hand at getting them out. grin Its a lesser-know maternal skill.

Actually, it really helped the DD's to see one. DD2 was actually getting herself wound up convinced that something the size of an earthworm was going to emerge, and was reassured by the reality.

I am pretty experienced with these little feckers........ (worms not kids).

FannyFifer Sun 21-Oct-12 20:42:56

I'm a hardened nurse but I swear I scared myself shitless reading all the google threadworm horror stories. shock

We found dd had them, she did a poo, still in nappies, this was at bedtime and dear god there were hundreds.

I flew down to late night chemist and got Ovex (mebendazole) which we all took, she was literally tortured that whole night, was screaming and didn't sleep were so many, next night the same, bloody nightmare.

The next morning i thought bugger this and went to chemist and bought Piperazine (Prispen) this worked by paralysing them then having a laxative effect which expelled everything. Also if they paralysed then they can't itch or lay eggs.

No sign of anything since.

It's normal to feel stressed about it, especially when u feel you can't talk about it in real life, stop googling, I'm still traumatised.

Have you had the dreaded headlice yet, that's another one to look forward to, children are truly disgusting creatures. grin

CharlotteWasBoth Sun 21-Oct-12 21:00:41

We've had it loads of times. Much sympathy.

First time round I was really scrupulous. Now I'm more relaxed. Meds and basic precautions do work.

Natural cures are raw garlic and pumpkin seeds (eating them rather than anything else btw!!). You can also put Vaseline round the affected bum hole so the worms have nowhere to lay their eggs.

Good luck. It'll be fine.

Takver Sun 21-Oct-12 21:01:48

IME unreasonably bad temper (dd not me) is also a symptom, probably due to lack of sleep.

I really wouldn't stress about it - they're just one of those things like nits which dc pick up now and then. Luckily they're generally easier to get rid of . . .

Certainly all my friends dc have had them too, never noticed anyone being that embarrassed about it.

Two of mine had them this summer and I too suffered from total plot loss!

Dd1 had a worm wriggling in her poo and I called the doctor got a prescription we all took it.
Dd2 had it two nights later so guess the med doesn't work straight away?

Dd3 and ds both in nappies and didn't get them although I was opening their nappies with serious trepidation!

I was looking out for them as my niece had them and we had been staying with her. (my sister said they were falling out of her- (vom..))

I washed all their bedding every other day for two weeks, clean pjs and knickers in bed every night for two weeks. Chucked out the toothbrushes boiling water on all the cutlery.

Cleaned both loos about 3 times a day if not more for those two weeks.

Stayed up every night from about 7-11 hoovering and dusting.

As I said I did also lose the plot wrt worms grin

Don't blame you in the least op!

crazy88 Sun 21-Oct-12 21:27:23

I think we have them again - will be 4th time in 2 years. Am amazed mine don't get them more often tbh as they are both constant thumb and finger suckers so all the the laundry washing in the world probably wouldn't stop them getting them!

sittinginthesun Sun 21-Oct-12 21:36:23

I think I must be fairly laid back about threadworms, as our pharmacist told me that 40% of all primary school children have them AT ANY ONE TIME. That is a lot of children!

We've had them about three times in three years, to my knowledge, the last time being three weeks ago.

I just give Ovex, including the follow up dose, wash the bed linen, pyjamas etc, and have a nag about washing hands.

My eldest is the worst. He always has his hand down his pants, and sucks his fingers when he is reading. I'm sure he spreads it to us.

expansivegirth Sun 21-Oct-12 21:48:18

my kids got them too. i only know as we were at a friends house and she was telling me how her daughter had been undiagnosed for weeks with an itchy vagina - apparently the worms migrate from the anus to the vagina...the doctor had initially prescribed thrush medicine.
lucky she told me this as two weeks after visiting this friend one of my children woke up screaming in agony and ripping at her body... I stripped the beds, boiled sheets etc on high heat, vacuumed the floor, washed all the night clothes, and gave us all pills. I didn't itch but I assume I also had worms (you can have them and be symptomless). I warned a friend we'd been playing with that her daughter might get them soon - sure enough, two weeks later she also woke up itching.
I think it's very common. many of friends talk about it in relation to their kids. it's just a real pain in the arse (hur hur hur). but at least easier to treat than nits. and very fast. one dose of ovex and the itching is gone.
you are doing everything right. certainly don't blame yourself!

expansivegirth Sun 21-Oct-12 21:56:55

my aunt once described the worm my cousin picked up when living in india as a toddler. she said it was massive, like an earth worm, and came out in her poo one day and she just could not believe that such a big worm could come out of such a little girl. that's proper gross. thread worms are just like tiny bits of ... thread. i used to worry that they'd been thinking inside me - i'm not sure why i found thinking worms so particularly disgusting - but really threadworms are just one step up in size from a virus.. that's how i try and think of them anyway... solid, thoughtless, building blocks. if i start thinking them of something actual from the animal kingdom i feel properly sick...

Bienchen Sun 21-Oct-12 21:58:11

We had them about half a dozen times both when DS and DD were first at primary school. We took our advise from a GP friend.

Always treated everyone with Ovex as soon as spotted.

Kids wore clean cotton pants at night time under their pj's so they can't scratch themselves so easily in their sleep and then transfer the eggs when touching their mouth.

Thorough handwashing after toilet and before meals.

Raw carrot is supposed to help and we all had carrot salad or similar as a starter every night.

Raw garlic and pumpkin seed is recommended in Turkey. Best for slightly older children (taste/risk of choking).

I washed and ironed our bedding and we had a separate handtowel for everyone that got changed every day.

I never did any extra cleaning.

It is unpleasant but if tackled straightaway I think you should be fine very quickly.

Yes to advising school/nursery and always encourage children to tell you straight away, there's no shame to catch them but they need dealing with pronto.

IsItMeOr Sun 21-Oct-12 22:03:59

Ugh, wish I hadn't read some of your stories, as I think DS (and I) have them again. The last time when we took ovex, both of us came out in hives, which is one of the side effects. Sorry if this is a stupid question, but presumably that doesn't stop us taking it again??

Is there an alternative treatment we could try which might not have the same side effect?

Perhaps I should ask the chemist, but a bit embarrassed!

BeehavingBaby Sun 21-Oct-12 22:06:08

PS. We have a scheme whereby you can get treatment free from your chemist by filling in a form, no prescription required.

exexpat Sun 21-Oct-12 22:12:35

We've had them several times. They are yucky but not a big deal. I comfort myself with the fact that there is a growing body of research saying that relatively minor parasites like that can actually be good for the immune system.

midseasonsale Sun 21-Oct-12 22:16:36

I only have one word to say to you - garlic

Ohhmydaze Sun 21-Oct-12 22:20:33

oh gawd-we get them loads! blush

we did as kids too....loads of people i know get/have had worms...dont think its 'abnormal' at all is it?!

SeymoreInOz Sun 21-Oct-12 22:22:26

They are much more common than people realise. I would need to look it up but the estimate is around one third of school age kids infected at any one time. Many children (and adults) just don't get the symptoms so are unaware that they are infected. They spread like wildfire at school. For example a child with threadworms may not wash their hands after using the loo (or have scratched their bum) and then picks up a pencil, your DC then comes along and puts the pencil in their mouth.... etc! If your DC is infected it's important that they wash their hands and bum (and put on clean pants) first thing in the morning to remove any eggs, since the worms come out at night to lay eggs on the skin. As well as changing all the sheets and towels and damp dusting and hovering when you discover infection. It helps to keep toothbrushes in a cupboard too. Also keep reminding them that only washed hands and food go near/in the mouth, nothing else!

DD has had 2 bouts that have really bothered her, the last went on for a week and took 3 doses of medication to clear, she hardly slept and developed cystitis. I give the whole family a dose of mebendazole every few months now, just because I don't want a repeat episode like that!

Oh OP, you're really having a hard time over this, aren't you? sad Please try to relax about it - sounds like you're doing more than enough. I certainly don't remember my mum doing loads more laundry when we had them as children, but maybe advice was different then. I had them twice, in fact - the second time, I was 14 and my mum trusted me to take the dreaded Pripsen drink myself. I didn't. blush It made me gag and I couldn't face taking it again two weeks later, so I pretended to - and then had the buggers for about a year. blush Stupid mare I was! (I did get rid of them eventually.)

I know it's horrible - there's just something intrinsically revolting and skin-creeping about knowing you, or your children, are populated by parasites. Of course, worms and headlice aside, most of us have smaller critters that we're unaware of, like mites living in our eyelash follicles, or dustmites in our beds. And we're all still ok. smile Try not to sweat it too much, and maybe try distracting yourself every time you feel yourself worrying into overdrive. They'll go soon, and I bet if your DC get them again, you'll have been through the worst of it and will be more laid-back. smile

Yardarm Sun 21-Oct-12 22:26:51

We've had them and I just treat with ovex + changing bed linen and towels on day of treatment, don't find lots of extra cleaning or more frequent linen changes necessary. Don't stress, it's very common and the medication works very quickly. How do those of you who say you wash bottoms first thing every morning find the time for this, anyway?!

eurycantha Sun 21-Oct-12 22:28:16

I always think that threadworms are as common as headlice and a lot easier to get rid of .Ovex does work very quickly and effectively, compared to the nightmare of headlice.when I worked in a nursery we did regularly change the playdo which we made as this is a possible way to transfer when a child is infected.

narmada Sun 21-Oct-12 22:29:40

We have got em too at the minute. It's a little bit ick but honestly, there are far worse things in the world. It's just one dose of medicine and hopefully everyone sleeping normally again grin

And - important, this - the human body evolved to actually benefit from parasitic worm infestations; there is a school of thought that increased hygiene and consequent decrease in parasitic infections is at least partly responsible for the increase in atopic conditions like eczema, severe allergies, and auto-immune conditions like crohn's disease. We are meant to get them, so don't feel bad.

Beveridge Sun 21-Oct-12 22:32:48

We got them just before Xmas last year (like there's not enough to do then as it is). I completely freaked, especially after googling and got meds for everybody but DS, who was under a year and couldn't have what we got (name escapes me). Got fed up seeing them in DS's poo so spoke to the HV a few weeks later who prescribed Piperazine for us all (the paralysing one, rather than the killing one!) and that was that. Along with the OCD housework. Sheesh.

However, the HV told us we were only the third case she had come across - ever! Clearly that can't be right, given the other stats and the unofficial straw poll my husband conducted in his works canteen bore this out - the other 2 Dads had both had outbreaks in their houses at some point!

So, I think heaps of people probably have them quite regularly but it's only when it's a big infestation or someone is sensitive to them and is v.itchy/sore that they get rumbled and nuked by meds. I myself have come to terms with this now and to be honest, I don't look too closely at contents of nappies - I feel if it recurs and is a big enough problem to need meds it will reveal itself to us.

Looking back on my childhood, I reckon I must have had them a fair few times (itchy bottom after the loo happened periodically, have since had a lightbulb moment about it!) but my mum dismissed it as just itching due to not wiping my bottom properly. Her first comment about the DC's having them was "Oh you never had that", to which I now think "Aye, right hmm".

On a positive note, a poster on another MN thread said they had been told by a doctor that regular infestation lessens your chance of getting leukaemia and I have read similiar about it (them?!) lessening your risk of bowel cancer!

Chandon Sun 21-Oct-12 22:34:14

I never knew it was taboo (am foreign, so sometimes not aware of all the social rules here) and am liable to say to other parents "I had to treat the DC for nits AND worms this weekend! How bad is that? Isn't it a nightmare?! haha".

I have not been ostracised (yet). I don't think? I think loads of kids get them.

It is not a big deal, imo, and you take the pills, scrub nails, wash stuff and hope for the best. Youngest DC gets it twice a year or so, oldest Dc never had them.

It is something they pick up at school and not a reflection of your parenting or hygiene, OP. Never had them in the school holidays...

IneedAsockamnesty Sun 21-Oct-12 22:37:18

Mebendazole does kill them, it prevents them absorbing glucose and kills them so ovex will kill them. however it shouldnt usually be used in under 2's.

thats what piperazine is for and thats the one that paralizes them.

op chill out relax and stop freaking out.

a dose of ovex and 2 weeks of damp dusting and megga laundry blitzes, underware at night, good wash of the bum in the morning, trim all nails and stop thumb sucking nail biting or putting hands/fingers in mouth,not sharing flannels or towels then another dose of ovex. should be all you need.

if you think of a reception/nursery class as about 35 kids try and remember that about half the kids will have them at any time. its a normal part of childhood but incidents of infection can be reduced by keeping hands out of mouths.

nipitinthebud Sun 21-Oct-12 22:47:53

I freaked out when my DS (and whole family) got them. I'd never heard of anyone having them and when I told his nursery they'd never heard of them too (but did put up a sign, albeit hastily removed after a day!). We did everything that you've done and I was very OTT about it. I actually rang our HV and she talked some sense into me as I too had been reading on the internet and read the horror stories. But honestly, the Ovex and the additional cleaning will sort it out. We've not had it since (several years later). I told a pharmacist friend of mine, and she said that they sell as many, if not more, bottles of Ovex than nit treatment! So very common!

fidelma Sun 21-Oct-12 23:42:53

Relax it is very normal.If you don't chill you are going to create another problem.
You have delt with it.Now be strong and let it go.

MrsStomp Mon 22-Oct-12 08:51:39

I really feel for you. My kids got them and then I got them when they were around about pre-school age. I became utterly obsessed with getting rid of them and - I'm going to be honest with you - it did take a few goes. I think it was because they were probably mixing with other kids who had them and they were all passing them back and forth. For this reason, asking nursery / school to send a letter home might be a good idea.

Apparently airing rooms and getting plenty of daylight is really good as this can kill the eggs. I took bedtime toys out to the garden for an airing on a bright day. Also gave us all lots of 'clearing out' foods - grated carrot, lentils, etc to help things on their way! I also made sure all of us wore pants at night and put them straight into the laundry in the morning.

I never had them as a child so it was a complete shock to me when we caught them. Here was me thinking lice was the worst! You sound like you are doing all the right things - and you are most certainly not on your own.

OhGood Mon 22-Oct-12 09:03:51

Grew up on a farm, my mum wormed us all regularly. Does seem to horrify some people. Worming meds v effective. No big deal!

ballstoit Mon 22-Oct-12 09:06:58

This year we have had Threadworms twice, nits once, ants in the cavity wall insulation and a wasps nest in the garden....I am sick to death of creepy crawlies who have no purpose in their irritating little lives other than creating stress grin

DeWe Mon 22-Oct-12 09:38:44

The statistics that used to come with the medication (had slightly unusual medication prescribed at one point) said that around 1/3 of children under 10 have threadworms at any one point in time and that pretty much every child has it at some point.

I will say that some children seem to notice the itching more than others, deep sleepers often aren't disturbed as light sleepers are, so people who say their child hasn't ever had them, may just not have realised.

The first time ds had threadworms I gave him the tablet and explained it to him. He was nearly 3yo. A few days later we were out walking and he saw a worm about 4" long on the footpath.
"What's that?" he said.
"A worm."
"I wonder whose bottom that fell out of." grin

loubielou31 Mon 22-Oct-12 09:39:39

I keep threadworm treatment in the house so that if one of the DCs has worms I can treat it immediately and not have to wait until the next day to get to a pharmacy or to the doctors. It's worth asking for a prescription because it's expensive to buy over the counter.
It's not a very big deal. Certainly no worse than nits.

booboomonster Mon 22-Oct-12 09:48:28

OP my sympathies - I nearly posted about this myself. Like others here, I think that some people just don't realise they have it... I was quite open about it and was pretty much met with shock apart from one person at work (who is the cleanest person in the office, as much as one can tell!) who had had it along with her DCs.

My problem is that I am pregnant so can't take the drugs. DD2 got it first, and so DD1 and DH took meds too as a precaution, and that all seems to have cleared up. But, being preg, I can't take anything (and I do have them, have seen the buggers). The life cycle is supposed to be 6 weeks and I have now had it for that long. It does seem to be fading, but I am dreading finding more as it will tell me that I must have been reinfected. Like others, I have read horror stories on t'internet. Anyway, when I saw my GP he said he had never heard of a pregnant woman having threadworms before and 'good luck with that' to my plan of natural treatment (frequent washing, changing sheets, pants, clothes, bed clothes, separate towels, etc etc). I have now been referred (by a horrified midwife) to a consultant... Has this happened to anyone else? Any advice gratefully received - am seeing consultant on Wednesday and don't really want to take the meds if there is risk to baby (I'm 10 weeks). Honestly, morning sickness, early pregnancy exhaustion, threadworms and excessive cleaning is not a good combination! sad

bumhead Mon 22-Oct-12 10:12:41

Op please don't feel embarrassed!
When I was little we lived in the countryside and I was constantly plagued with threadworms. I was always grubbing around outside and also would catch them from school.
At the time the only meds seemed to be Pripsen which even now the thought of would make me gak confused
Nowadays there are tablets and liquid too. Take them once a week for 3 weeks on the same day of the week. That way any live worms are killed and any eggs that hatch will be killed too.
They are so common but no-one talks about them.

bumhead Mon 22-Oct-12 10:13:42

Also add lots of garlic to your diet. It's a powerful anthelmintic (kills worms) raw if poss shock

Harrycaitandtedsmummy Mon 22-Oct-12 10:18:19

My DS3 has had them again...he's 6, so I believe it's just one of those things..

bumhead Mon 22-Oct-12 10:23:50

Booboomonster yes I had them when pregnant with DD. That GP was so ignorant it beggars belief!!
Worms don't discriminate so if your preg or not you can catch them xxx

booboomonster Mon 22-Oct-12 10:30:23

bumhead did you get rid of it whilst pregnant too or did you have to wait to take treatment after birth?

bumhead Mon 22-Oct-12 10:35:08

I caught them in the last trimester and ate a lot of raw garlic (pleasant I know) and got rid of them that way.
if I hadn't then who knows I think I would prob have waited but I didn't have access to a Consultant so I think it will be good to hear what they say. It may be that the meds are ok to take and it's just a precaution that the manufacturers say not to on the packaging or there may be something else you can take.
You have every sympathy. They are awful things to have (so very common though) xxx

booboomonster Mon 22-Oct-12 10:38:17

Thanks bumhead it's been so depressing being up in the night removing the buggers, as well as frequent loo stops - I am knackered! I can't stomach garlic at the moment, but am just hoping the other methods work. Yes, will see what consultant says but if he/she is shocked/disgusted too I think I might deck him/her.

bumhead Mon 22-Oct-12 10:42:16

There should be absolutely no reason for the Consultant to be shocked/disgusted these are so common I bet just about everyone catches them at some point in their life even if they don't know about it.
Can you take Piperazine as someone else suggested? It paralyses them rather than kills them so they can't lay eggs. You take a few doses a week apart. Might be worth a look.
You will get rid of them I promise you

withaspongeandarustyspanner Mon 22-Oct-12 10:45:13

My lot get them from time to time (particularly the younger ones). I've found a second dose of the tablets after two weeks worked a treat last time. I read that they don't like grated raw carrot. Will try that next time. If there is a next time...

bumhead Mon 22-Oct-12 10:56:15

Booboo get yourself to the Health Food shop or baking aisle of Asda etc and get a bag of Pumpkin seeds.
They apparently contain a natural ingredient that paralyses the little bastards and won't harm you or baby (plus they are delish) so get some and munch away!!

booboomonster Mon 22-Oct-12 11:08:44

thanks - I need to hear that! I think everything is out when in first trimester but there might be something, such as piperazine, available later on... here's hoping. Still slightly worried about risks though, but I guess I'll have to quiz the consultant.

booboomonster Mon 22-Oct-12 11:15:22

will try the pumpkin seeds! thanks

DoubleDoubleTwigletTrouble Mon 22-Oct-12 11:17:00

What freaks me out about them is that the eggs are so light that they can float in the air and you can breathe them in. This is what makes me think that washing bedding frequently is pointless - you can lift a bedsheet off and accidentally flick all the eggs into the air so you have a lovely clean bedsheet but air full of them.

Does anyone have a definitive answer about whether you can give Ovex regularly to prevent ever getting an proper infection, say once a month? I once asked a chemist if we could take it 3 times instead of the prescribed two doses (someone had recommended this to me) and he said no. That made me think that it's not good to take frequently but I've heard of others who do. I would LOVE to dose us all up once a month or so as I HATE the sleepless nights and constant cleaning.

nipitinthebud Mon 22-Oct-12 12:02:37

Doubletwiglet - that's what i freaked out about as it seemed we would forever be plagued by them. But that's why you take the two treatments a week apart.

The life cycle of the worm and the way the treatment kills them should mean that the live ones inside you die, then any eggs remaining that are in you or ingested in the subsequent week are then killed off by the following treatment. Plus, every time you hoovering you're removing more and more. Without adding extra ones, seeing as once you've had the treatment you can't shed eggs anymore.

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 22-Oct-12 12:46:08

do not dose regularly if you do not have them, it can cause quite unplesant side effects.

dried pumpkin seeds and cucumber seeds can help as well.

and the eggs do not spend hours floating around in the air, they can be shaken and transfered to a different place and they are very keen on things like loo flush handles door window handles taps anything that people often touch with out washing hands.

but they do not float around in the air for ages waiting to be breathed in. however a hard shake of a sheet (it would have to be hard they do stick to things) can possibly dislodge an egg and you could breathe it in but it really isant likly.

the way most of the eggs get into you is via hands (normally under nails) being placed in mouth, its why nailbiters nose pickers thumb suckers and children tend to get them more.

the itch you get in your bum is not just the actual worm its also a irritant on the eggs themselves this is designed to make you scratch to put the eggs under your nails, untill they then go in your mouth.

it would be highly unusual for outdoor playing in mud to infect you with thread worms, however some of the other worms (usually found in animals) will be cought this way. threadworms only infect humans not animals.

if you are pregnant and past 3 months and have allready tried the cleaning treatment for at least 6 weeks with no sucess. a gp can and should be percribing and paralising and senna combined treatment, if they wont see another docter.

given that on average about half of under 10's have them at anyone time anybody who says there child hasnt is either a liar or has cleaning standerds so high that the deep clean treatment method is done on a day to day basis thus treating with out knowing.

any place where under 10's frequent should as a matter ofcourse be cleaning toys ect and if they dont thats an issue,if they get all ickky with you when you tell them then they are probally far to sensative to be hanging out with under 10's.

its nothing to get excited or dramatic about its a very matter of fact part of life. that is actually very easy to treat if you do so correctly.

DoubleDoubleTwigletTrouble Mon 22-Oct-12 12:52:38

Oh that makes me feel SO much better, Nipit and Sock! But this begs the question - if the eggs die after 2 weeks and the second dose kills those ingested in the meantime, then why do we need to spend all that time hoovering and dusting and washing?

It's not the gross-out factrr that bothers me (though it did at first), I just can't cope with having DD crying in pain for 2 nights in a row and the lack of sleep for 48 hours! Also I'm never sure if we've got them or not which I find irritating - one time I was sure DD had them but I never found any trace on her but I had one myself that same night. So if I hadn't had one myself I would have assumed she didn't have them and wouldn't have treated. All the times we've had them (and I know we have) I've only ever seen one live worm. I wish there was a quick POAS-type test to tell for sure if you had them!

SoupDragon Mon 22-Oct-12 12:53:55

I wish there was a quick POAS-type test to tell for sure if you had them!

I guess SIAB (shitting in a bucket) might work

[helpful]

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 22-Oct-12 13:00:31

the deep clean method is only essential for 6 weeks if you are also not using medication.

if you use the medication its only needed for 2 weeks.

just to reiterate

medication + deep clean for 2 weeks

no medication and or natural treatments(seeds/oils ect) + deep clean for 6 weeks.

just so you know hard plastic toys that babies have should also be cleaned (remember they go in mouths lots as well as eggs sticking to them)

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 22-Oct-12 13:07:19

double if shes crying in pain,you may want to check that she hasnt hurt herself scratching or got a secondary skin infection from the scratching.

remember cotton close fitting knickers are your friend.

every familiy member should take itchy bums as a possible infestation inc husbands (in my experance they are next to useless about thinking they may have either worms or nits and tend to get silly about them and ignore symptoms as do some mums or other adults)

i have a friend whose kids constantly have them shes always treating them but point blank refuses to treat herself and her dh as they are adults so cant get them hmm shes the same with nits. but you can actually see them in her hair.

nipitinthebud Mon 22-Oct-12 13:08:52

Doubletwiglet I don't think the eggs do die within 2 weeks - they can linger for much longer. But they would be concentrated in the bed sheets, around the bed, on towels, near toilet and on things touched like door handles, toys etc. The regular cleaning is to get rid of the eggs and each time its done the egg load goes down, unti I guess the risk is negligable/non-existant.

Its true though a POAS thing would be a great idea - or something that you could just touch to your bottom and it would detect the goo secreted by the worms?

have you told your DD's nursery or school? Cos if you keep getting reinfected regularly then possibly they need to change their sand/playdough/have a deep clean.

I seem to remember I put Metanium on my DS bottoms to help with the itch. That might help with the sleeplessness for your DD....poor thing. It was ridicuously itchy...but more so I found within the first 48h of treatment (that's distinguished it from the times I kNOW we've had it - and seen one live worm - and times when its probably not been.

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 22-Oct-12 13:14:43

the longest an egg can live is 3 weeks, most infomation places say 2 weeks but a couple say 'up to 3 weeks' however

even the nhs say the medication + 2 week deep clean is enough

BeatTheClock Mon 22-Oct-12 13:35:21

Poor you opsad

I totally understand why this has freaked you out but they are v v common and no reflection on you or anything you may or may not have done. I was the same.

I was appalled by them and was shovelling in Ovex like Smarties. Also napalming the house and drinking the foulest thing in the world called Citracidal. It tastes like drain cleaner but I was swallowing gallons of it and was thinking about the whole thing far too much. I just couldn't believe that as they are so common and easy to catch that we wouldn't be afflicted again and again forever aftersad. But it hasn't happened at all I'm grateful to say.

Reading mn helped put it in perspective. You just have to deal with it and forget it and move on otherwise you'll drive yourself nuts. It's a right of passage (in more ways than one! grin) as a parent. Just one of those things. I guess people don't mention it much because who wants to be the first to talk about bums at the school gate?

If anything I think they must be easier to zap than nits.

bacon Mon 22-Oct-12 14:20:17

deep clean is a waste of time. Its in the air so unless you get the industrial cleaners in and clinically scrub its a waste of human resourses. I have done it but read on many forums its pointless as you cant trap air particles.

I have had it myself and DS2 has had it numerous times. I found repeating the dose every 2 weeks for 3 times or so works but unless the other children in class are de-wormed then they can get it.

I dont buy the medicine far too expensive I crush the tablets in yogurt/icecream.

CaseyShraeger Mon 22-Oct-12 14:26:19

I've never seen a worm on the DCs but I routinely Ovex any of them I catch scratching or complaining of itching.

Thelobsterswife Mon 22-Oct-12 14:40:00

To those worried about worms in pregnancy, DD1 became infected whilst I was pregnant with DD2. I was under consultant care anyway, and I mentioned to him and he just laughed. He used to work somewhere abroad - can't remember where - and he said all the pregnant women had it and they just stopped treating them as it was impossible to stop reinfection. He said just chill. It won't harm you and it won't harm baby if they should catch them. He didn't know about treatment but suggested not taking any medication during pg or bf. I didn't catch them but nesting plus worms resulted in a very clean house for a while!

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 22-Oct-12 14:52:22

bacon

that is not true. they can travel through air if a blanket or something is shaken hard but they will not remain airborne and will not live in the air.

Lifebeginsat41 Mon 22-Oct-12 16:38:36

Hi we've had them a few times and have turned the house in to a laundry shop.
I would also recommend washing their comforters and any soft toys they sleep with. We were also recommended that when cleaning nails make sure you get right underneath them. I know this hurts but it can break the cycle.

Op you must feel better knowing you are not alone. Good luck

surfandturf Mon 22-Oct-12 20:59:12

I'm a childminder and since starting the job a year ago we have had them every 3 months without fail. The medication is almost bankcrupting me!!! We are a clean family, I keep my house as clean as I can given the rafts of children traipsing through every day, I change pj's and bedding regularly and wash everything on a super hot wash. I have however on several occasions noticed the children don't always wash their hands after using the toilet ( I'm talking 7 and 8 year olds). If I catch them they are promptly frog marched back into the bathroom! I've had to resort to putting signs up in the loo to remind them and I've asked parents to reiterate the importance of hand washing at home too. I hate it but I guess it's a hazard of the job. I think they are much more common than people let on and although not pleasant they don't actually do any harm - just keep your awake all night with the uncomfortable itching. Sounds like you are doing everything right to me. What is the aloe drink thing you use out of interest?

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Mon 22-Oct-12 21:11:33

I just routinely treat the DC's every 3 months. I boil wash all bedding and towels every wash routinely too. Plus nail brushing every day, after school. Each person has their own nail brush.

Haven't had worms once since I started routinely treating though.

We ensure our pets don't get worms, so I can't understand why more humans don't use worming treatment routinely too.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Mon 22-Oct-12 21:15:47

Pharmacist told me that once a month was too often, but every 3 months was fine. Seems to have worked, with no odd side effects here.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Mon 22-Oct-12 21:21:05

I also use Milton liquid in the bathtub to sterilise all plastic toys of DS3, fortnightly as a routine.

But I'd always done this ever since DD was a baby, because if you wouldn't let them put an unsterilised bottle in their mouth, why would you let them do that with their toys?

Maybe I am unwittingly treating infections routinely?

I'm known for being quite a slattern blush but whereas mess doesn't bother me, these things do. Guess there is a good reason for prioritising the jobs that I do!

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 22-Oct-12 21:21:21

couthys correct 3 monthly in the absence of any side effects should be fine.

but and i cannot bang on about this enough.

people who never put fingers in mouths rarely get worms.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Mon 22-Oct-12 21:29:30

OMG! Is the garlic up the bum thread still in Classics?

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Mon 22-Oct-12 21:31:32

Strangely, sock, it is DD, my thumb sucker, that has never had a problem with them, and DS2, who has never needed any sort of mouth-based comforter (he hugs carpet samples...) that has suffered the most with them.

duvet Mon 22-Oct-12 21:47:03

Removing them with a tissue when you spot them seemed to clear them up quickly in this house as well as the exhaustive laundry.

girliefriend Mon 22-Oct-12 21:51:44

My dd has had them a few times, although I can't honestly say I have ever seen a worm up her bum!! However she goes off her food a bit and then complains about an itchy bum esp at night. The tablets seem to work and I wash everything

I am a nailbiter as is my dd blush

They are gross and I can not understand why in this day and age we can't routinely deworm and deflea our children like I do the cat!!! Would be so much eaiser to put a couple of drops on her neck every 3 months grin

CouthyMow - its the same here too. DD2 is a finger-sucker and has the world's mankiest muslin comforters but has never had a bout yet. DD1 gets worms regularly - but that's DD1, she never gets ill but she does get infested.

Mind you, DD2 is pretty much toileting independantly these days so may be her time will come.....

notheroldie Mon 22-Oct-12 22:12:02

You lot are making me itch!
I HAVE taken Ovex when pregnant. And when breast feeding. I know it isn't recommended but I was freaking out. My friend announced she had wormed all her kids as we were all rummaging through the biscuit tin.
I have never seen a worm on any of my DC but if anyone at school-preschool etc mention it, I immediately dose us all up.

I dont know what side effects are in pg or BF but my dcs are all ok Ithink

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 22-Oct-12 22:17:12

couthy.

does he chew the carpet samples as well? (i ask as i actually do have a carpet and jumper chewer).

for him to get worms he has to be putting something in his mouth,he apsolutly has to. the eggs have to be inside you to hatch the only way they can get inside you is via the mouth. its not possible for them to hatch outside the body and a worm to crawl up a bum. (its potentially possible for him to be breathing them in after shaking something containing them but highly unlikly to happen repeatedly)

i know it may sound very very strange but is it possible hes a secret mouth sensation craver?

i once cought my son rubbing a nail brush he had just used to clean his nails against his tounge (same child i cought cleaning nails with tooth brush)

anything that he rubs fingers in, think fabric/upholstery/string that he may later chew even a teddy or the tail of a toy?

toomuchpink Mon 22-Oct-12 22:17:52

My DD1 had them and my husband got them then too. She sucks her thumb and goes to school nursery so I think this might be why. We got Pripsen from the doctors - the same disgusting pink milkshake we had as kids. Anyway, it solved the problem, with the two doses a couple of weeks apart like you said. I ran around washing all towels and bed linen extra frequently for a few weeks too.
I was amazed by how few people seemed to know about them. I think maybe they just ignore their children scratching their bottoms from time to time!
My mother, a retired infant school head, has this theory that kids are either prone to worms or head lice, but not both! There is no science behind this at all, but I thought it might make you feel better.

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 22-Oct-12 22:21:17

toomuch,

you would be surprised at the amount of people who wont admit to knowing anything about them as they think its only dirty people who get them.

my mother swears to god that if you have nits you also have worms and they go everywhere hand in hand hmm but she is madder than a box of frogs

manitz Mon 22-Oct-12 23:02:56

dd just came down to show us a worm. Has been crying all night - when I looked earlier I couldn't see any worms but saw white stuff in her vagina so thought it was thrush. She came down in tears with a worm on her finger having done a wee and said itwas stingin her bum. I guess she's itched so much that she's scratched herself.
Looking forward to starting the washing.

she always has nits as well. poor sod.

mathanxiety Tue 23-Oct-12 01:36:20

Don't dose them monthly. The medicine is not meant for such frequent use.

When your family has an outbreak you need to give the correct dosage to everyone and repeat a week later. This takes care of the entire life cycle of the worms, including those in the pipeline so to speak.

After the first dose you need to take every single piece of bedding and all towels and clothing your family has worn and wash on hot and then dry in a dryer. You need to take a hoover and do a very thorough hoovering of all carpets, get rid of the hoover bag if it has a bag, thoroughly wash down the cannister if bagless. If you don't have carpets then you need to wetmop all floors. You also need to launder their cuddly toys and damp wash their non cuddly toys, all of them.

You need to give your bathroom the once over of its life. Leave no surface untouched.

Your DCs and in fact you and your DH need to trim your nails quite short and use a nailbrush -- a nailbrush should be part of every day's bedtime routine when it comes to handwashing.

Children should all wash hands and use the nailbrush and lots of soapy water whenever they come in from outside and especially when they come in from school or playground or from public transport. It goes without saying that everyone should wash hands thoroughly after using the loo.

mathanxiety Tue 23-Oct-12 01:38:29

DO NOT take anti worm medication while pregnant or is you think you may be pregnant.

mathanxiety Tue 23-Oct-12 01:38:38

is = if

mathanxiety Tue 23-Oct-12 01:43:00

Oh yes, and keep toothbrushes in a cabinet after you have bought new new for everyone. Want to add also -- use a clean washcloth for every wash. Buy loads of them.

MrsFruitcake Tue 23-Oct-12 06:33:37

We all had the Ovex last week!

DD went to the loo and saw them. 2nd time for us, last was summer 2010.

Did tell the school as DD adamant that they have been told not to bother washing their hands if they use a loo at lunch-time as the dinner ladies just want them out. confused

Hot washed all bedlinen and towels and cut their fingernails. Hopefully that's the last we'll see of the nasty little gits for a while!

lastflowerinbloom Tue 23-Oct-12 09:11:14

They're easy to get rid of and very common. I don't know what all the fuss is about - there are some seriously nasty worms out there which are a proper threat to health. Microscopic organisms live all over your body - thread worms are just not a big deal. I think shining a torch up your child's bum every night is far worse than having a few worms - think of the psychological damage.

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 23-Oct-12 09:58:56

mathan it is perfectly acceptable to take medication when pregnant if you do so under the guidence of your docter and you have also tried the cleaning method correctly for at least 6 weeks. and your dr is aware you are pregnant and you are past 3 months.

lots of dr's will perscribe it if there are some of the less usual side effects of thread worms also happening.

is is also recamended that the dose is repeated after 2 weeks not 1.

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 23-Oct-12 10:13:43

when treating under 2's its important to use the powder ones as the dose is different.

off the top of my head (but do check the packet)

for a 3month-1 yo its 2.5 level spoon of the powder mixed in with milk/water
1 yo-6yo its a 5ml teaspoon mixed in with milk/water.

its also quite important with young children to not do more than the 2 treatments in a 28 day rolling period so no monthly worming, repeated doses can cause nasty reactions. im also pretty sure that people with epilepsy are more likly to have a negative reaction to it.

DoubleDoubleTwigletTrouble Tue 23-Oct-12 10:34:20

lastflower, "all the fuss" is because it's horrible to see your children in pain and losing sleep for a few nights in a row. You're very lucky if you've never been through that.

booboomonster Tue 23-Oct-12 10:38:57

As someone who has had worms for over 6 weeks now (if not read upthread, I am 11 weeks pregnant so can't take medication as advised by GP) and I can attest that in my experience they are not really that noticeable. I am avidly looking for them and have found none in my stools (sorry TMI!) but every so often I find one as I wipe, not always at night, and I have to use a wet wipe for them to come away (have bought a stack of flushable wet wipes). They don't even itch or hurt - more just a tickly sensation as someone else said upthread. I am sure that people just do not notice them, or maybe it's those with less sensitive bottoms (!). I have been following all the cleaning advice and wear a mask changing sheets in case of inhalation. Am really hoping mine are on the way out as they are unpleasant, even if relatively harmless. But of course, easy to get rid of if you can take the medication!

booboomonster Tue 23-Oct-12 10:48:48

Also I'm no doctor, but aren't repeat dosages of medication going to lead to the worms becoming immune? (as happened with headlice) Or does it not work like that? I would be worried about repeat dosing unless on advice of a doctor.

MummyPigsFatTummy Tue 23-Oct-12 11:40:09

Oh God - threadworms. The bane of my childhood. I remember the vile milkshake stuff we had to drink whenever we had a dose (Pripsen I think?). You could mix it with water or milk. For years my Mum mixed it with water and it was the most stomach-churning stuff I ever came across. I used to cry every time she brought it in. My brother wouldn't drink it or would bring it back up. The last time Mum gave it to us she mixed it with milk and it was actually quite pleasant (relatively speaking). All those years of unnecessary drama. Still if I get the smell anywhere it brings the horror all back.

Thank God for Ovex!

OP, I don't envy you - it is unpleasant - DD is 2 and so far we haven't had to deal with worms, although I am sure it will happen soon as she is in nursery.

However, don't get upset about it. Most children get them and they are just an unpleasant but inevitable part of growing up. All the cleaning you are doing will help but I think putting the children in pants under their pyjamas and washing their underwear in a hot wash might save you having to do quite so much laundry in the future.

And I am with those posters who say not to medicate between outbreaks - I am pretty sure worms did become immune to some of the medicine which used to be on the market and you really don't want that happening.

manitz Tue 23-Oct-12 11:50:34

can I just say that 'flushable wipes' are not necessarily flushable. apparently the wipe industry and the sewerage people disagree on how they are defined, it is easier for the wipe industry to call them flushable but I remember listening to a radio program where they followed a sewage worker into a sewer and the wipes had mingled with more organic matter and created a sort of paper mache effect ultimately causing massive blockages in our victorian sewer system. They are really annoyed at what is allowed to be called flushable. RAdio 4 prob have a transcript. I'd been flushing them for ages until I heard that. only toilet paper shoudl be flushed evryhting else in the bin or our water prices will continue going up.

sorry to hijack. Just taken a moment off from bloody laundry. All had ovex this morning. Got to find some powder for 1 year old ds2. Brilliant.

kateecass Tue 23-Oct-12 11:57:25

I would have said we'd never had them but now thinking about it perhaps we have!!

DS before gong to bed has complained of itchy bottom at night and got me to put sudocream on and has also complained of hurty bottom on way to school (not sure if this happened at same time as itchy bottom).

Also more scary is a while back DD woke up in late evening grabbing her groin in pain. It happened a few times. No one I know had any explanation and I put it down to growing pains. Now I'm thinking this is what someone else described up thread. Camt bring myself to describe it properly!!

I did look at DSs bottom but didnt see anything and never seen any in their poo.

DH is working until 10 tonight and when he gets back is going to have a look. He is a Dr so really I'd have thought he'd know something about this!!

Could the kids still have them? Do they go away by themselves? We haven't had any symptoms.

And we have never had a note about anybody at school or nursery about anyone having threadworms despite DS being Yr2.

We have just had nits and my friends were quite amazed I actually told them. I guess we are a bit more open as we have a medic in the family. Could really do without anymore visitors though!! Just spent at least £50 on nit related products!!

lastflowerinbloom Tue 23-Oct-12 12:08:57

DoubleDouble - I was trying to put having thread worms into perspective. I've got 3 dc and they've all had worms at various times and I know they can keep children awake at night etc. etc. I think its useful for parents to be informed about worms and not to feel embarrassed and freak out at the thought of them- they're not a big deal. Also, I'm surprised that any teacher would be unaware of thread worms - surely they must be an occupational hazard?

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 23-Oct-12 12:22:58

last i agree with that last post compleatly.

you would be surprised how many people wont tell a soul they or there kids have them due to shame ect if more people had the same attitude as you it would be easyer to reduce infestations.

katee they can go away without drug treatment but only if you halt the spread of eggs do the cleaning method and probally chop your childrens hands off (that bits a joke) it will take an apsolute minimum of 6 weeks from start of trying but will probally take longer.

DoubleDoubleTwigletTrouble Tue 23-Oct-12 12:53:53

katee, my DD reacts exactly like yours when she has them. I've never seen them on her or in her poo but I'm fairly convinced it's worms as it only ever happens at night and a day or two after Ovex it goes away.

MummifiedBonkeyMollocks Tue 23-Oct-12 13:50:22

Another one here who had the fuckers when pg.

Found them at 15wks and they stuck around until 24 wks. I was too blush to go to the midwife so phoned nhs who told me there was nothing i could do bar cleaning. After that I didn't think there was any point in going t o the docs. I cleaned like a mother fucker!

If I went to the loo they were in my knicks, fucking fucking horrendously loads of the fuckers! I could literately wipe my arse and get hundreds sad I ahd visions of giving birth and the midwife screaming because of what was on my arse...

We have had them once since ds (4) was born , we all took some medicine from the doc that gave us all the shits but sorted it out, and ds had a slight scratchy bum a few months ago so I dosed us all as a precaution.

I wouldn't be happy doing it regularly though because it is effectively poison.

<shudder>

MummifiedBonkeyMollocks Tue 23-Oct-12 13:51:25

I'm a bit hmm that there are teachers/nurseries out there that have never heard of worms. Everyone gets them at some point, more than likely more than once.

stoo Tue 23-Oct-12 13:58:58

My DD has had them a number of times and it is sooooo gross. We all took the meds and cleaned the house incl bedding, towels, SOFT TOYS. made sure she had pants on under PJ's each night and showered her down each morning. Then took 2nd dose and relaxed. No-one else in the house seemed to get them not even DS. They were gone and stayed gone for months. She has now had them a total of 3 times and most of those we noticed within 2 weeks of the start of school hols. I am convinced it was the lack of cleanliness in the particular school toilets she was using. She's been fine ever since she moved class. No-one else in the house seemed to get them.

Told friends and most of them looked at me as though I was a leper but I know some of them have had them in the family they just won't admit it but I know!. I think people just get really embarrased which seems silly to me coz we all get these things and it doesn't mean you are unclean or scummy it's just nature at it's most gross.

Don't worry about it as I am sure you have killed them all.

You may get them again but next time you know what to do and (although no less gross) it will be much easier to handle although still incredibly annoying.

Oh & stop reading up on the subject it won't do you any good!!!! wink

booboomonster Tue 23-Oct-12 14:27:44

ooh mummified that sounds awful! Compared to that I feel I must be getting off lightly! Very glad to hear you got rid of them though, and not just in the 6 week period!

mathanxiety Tue 23-Oct-12 16:40:46

Yes Sockreturningpixie, you are right -- the second dose is taken two weeks later, not one week.

And yes, only the powdered formulation for the under 2s.

The safety of Ovex has not been determined for pregnant women so a doctor should be consulted if you get threadworms during pregnancy.

Want to add to other advice, make sure the family takes off underwear and places it gently and immediately in a laundry basket. (No flinging, no waving around, wearing on the head and scaring siblings, or kicking off to the far corner of the room). Preferable to do this in a room with a washable floor when you have an outbreak. Maybe keep the laundry basket in the bathroom and make them all get underssed there? Bathroom floor needs to be hosed down every day.

You absolutely must clean your laundry baskets thoroughly. I recommend plastic laundry baskets over nice looking but hard to clean wicker or fabric hampers. If you have fabric hampers or fabric lined baskets the fabric should be washed same as bedding when the family has an outbreak.

And the bath needs scrubbing frequently.

Manitz -- yes, if you have older plumbing you should only flush bog roll. No tampons or 'flushable' wipes ever.

kateecass Tue 23-Oct-12 17:03:01

I am not exactly great at vacuuming and dusting so doubt I have cleaned up any by accident. But I am very strict about hand washing mainly as we have a dog but also hate seeing long fingernails on kids. Also my kids don't really put their hands in their mouths as a rule. That's probably to do with dog germs too!

I used to make my own wipes for DD when she was a baby by putting kitchen roll cut into suitable sized pieces into a Tupperware type container with enough water to keep them wet. That would be flush able wouldn't it?

Will report back when DH goes on the lookout tonight!

mathanxiety Tue 23-Oct-12 17:18:47

If the kitchen roll is sturdy enough to not disintegrate in the bowl of water then it is too sturdy to be flushed.

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 23-Oct-12 17:37:22

has vision of mathan running around with knickers on her head.

i use indervidual fabric bags that get washed with the load

kateecass Tue 23-Oct-12 17:42:46

Errrr, we always flush kitchen roll down the loo when we blow our nose. Oops.

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 23-Oct-12 17:46:12

katee stop it the plumber will charge you a fortune when he has to fix it grin

catsrus Tue 23-Oct-12 18:01:29

If threadworms weren't common then it would be hard to get the medicine to treat them! for one thing it would be prescription only. Pharmacies are not charities, they can't afford to keep things in stock that might go out of date because no-one needs them grin. the fact that the medication to treat them is so readily available means that they are very very common, annoying yes, but not a huge deal.

I also saw some research that suggested intestinal parasites like this might actually be good for our general health as the immune system learns to cope with them - it's the old "too clean is a bad thing" argument. don't know how true it is but I certainly had them as a child 50+ yrs ago and my own children all had them. Just like nits they are something you just have to deal with.

Can't believe the teacher saying she'd not heard of anyone having them!

midseasonsale Tue 23-Oct-12 18:47:11

I had worms, I ate raw garlic and then worms dissapeared

tonight I have found out were having an outbreak. Grim. Going to have to go the doctors because I am breastfeeding my 9m old and don't know what he and I can take-the ovex says to consult a doctor.

I wonder if threadworms have a season in the same way that nits have-I was so surprised to find this thread on here tonight after just making the grim discovery.

I know what tomorrows jobs will be sad bloody things. Steam mopping, washing and damp dusting.

I had them a lot as a child-was a nail biter so I think that makes it worse.

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 23-Oct-12 20:19:21

midseason that is highly unlikly to be why they went.

mathanxiety Tue 23-Oct-12 20:27:27

grin Sockreturningpixie

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 23-Oct-12 20:27:47

sorry i ment to say that is because the thing in garlic that kills some parisites is not very effictive on ones inside the body unless you eat enough to produce about 6000mcg's of allicin about 3 times a day for at least 2 weeks but that wouldnt be very sensable as it can make you bleed weirdly and be rather sick.

but some people swear by it as a poltice for nits or used as a cleaning agent.

Mumof3darlings Tue 23-Oct-12 20:45:29

Thanks for all replies! Sorry to booboo that you are suffering with these and can't take meds. That puts it into perspective.. Mummified Oh. My. God. You poor thing! I saw 2 single worms and was freaked - pathetic really.

Last (and others) I appreciate your honesty in terms of not taking this so seriously - putting it into perspective, you are right. I AM gonna cause both myself and more importantly my DS psychological damage. This is SO silly and such a shame. He is a happy little boy and today said to me "Mummy I dont want to have to wash my hands ALL the time" I'm getting on his nerves. Normally he is good and totally accepts washing hands after loo and before eating but for example I have said as we walk in from school "wash your hands now you have just come from school where there are germs" then 20 mins later after playing with his toys "wash your hands before I give you and apple" then he does he eats the apple then goes and plays for 5 minutes and I say "don't put your hands/toy in your mouth". Am a nagging him or teaching him? Where do I draw the line?

I am seriously worried that I have given my family too many tablets. The medication is Vermox and it says to take 100mg 2 times a day for 3 days then again like that 2 weeks later. I live abroad and it's
Written in a language that I don't understand. At first I thought it had said 1 a day for 3 days so that's what I did. Then after a week I decided to repeat to be sure we had zapped them. Then after my DH translated I realised that I hadn't given enough so re did it as I thought I probably hadn't done enough. So effectively we have all had 3 then 3 then 6 - so 12 tablets in less than 2 weeks!!!!! Then when I looked at the Vermox information on the net it says that it's 1 tablet then again 2 weeks later. My DS 2 is only 2 years old!!! Have I poisoned him? I am now really worried about this as I am writing it... What have I done? I was so obsessed with getting rid of them I am scared I have harmed my family..

x

mumtoaandj Tue 23-Oct-12 20:46:36

ok- is there an epidemic? we have the blighters at the moment too! i recently had a mc- they cant cause that can they? is that daft to think that? is it also true that you can get them in other areas of your body?

mathanxiety Tue 23-Oct-12 20:48:50

No and No, to Mumtoaandj.

manitz Tue 23-Oct-12 20:54:01

mum of 3 darlings, I am the opposite. It's really got me to buck my ideas up. I've never really enforced handwashing and dd is really scruffy I don't police what she wears. Have just really cleaned her bedroom and sorted her drawers. she claims she has been wearing the same top to school for 2 weeks shock.

Am going to take on board some of the things mentioned here, like nail brush being part of our routine and more hand washing generally. However I do think maybe you are too far the other way. I think they need a bit of dirt - perhaps I shouldn't let ds2 eat off the floor so often - but a bit of dirt does them some good and the odd worm wont kill them as has been said above.

Also thanks everyone for clearing up why I've been having thrush on a fortnightly basis grin More ovex in the house as a back up.

Mumof3d, if you are worried about overdosing make sure you take the 2 year old to the doctor. Can you read what the sideeffects are? Perhaps just look out for those if you are not too worried.

mumtoaandj Tue 23-Oct-12 21:15:29

mathanxiety..good and good and thank you

fuckadoodlepoopoo Tue 23-Oct-12 21:50:37

My dc had them and i told everyone! I don't see what there is to be embarrassed about.

Op. Its no big deal, you need to chill.

(our Dr told us to give the second dose 10 days later)

To whoever mentioned it, girls front bums can hurt because they lay eggs in the uretha (wee tube! Excuse spelling)

Mumof3darlings Tue 23-Oct-12 22:20:13

No since this I realise my kids weren't that clean! I want to sound very clean to make myself feel less guilty but I definately opened my kids up to getting worms!

Areas I lacked on were - not using separate towels for kids and even me and DH - how disgusting is that? It wasn't that we all shared the same towel but many a time I would just grab the first one I reached and didn't really know who else had used it. I'm gonna change this as I think it's best to. I also never washed bedding or towels at high temp - only 40degs.

DS2 (age 2) ate food off floor (albeit floor) is tiled and cleaned few times a week (due to his mess!). After dinner he would always find bits of food and eat them off floor - I would joke about how my hygiene standards had dropped since having kids but also agreed with you that they need to get some bugs.. I just didn't think about worms! I am gonna try to get over this episode and move on and try not to be totally OCD with my kids because if I am and they do wash their hands 20times a day and I do everything right at home they could still get them from going to school and putting a pencil in their mouth - I can't stop them from doing this - they are just kids.

I realise that I now sound like I was a complete liar in my original post saying that we were SO clean! I wasn't. Our house is generally clean but is probably a normal home of a busy family! We haven't been super clean freaks so this must be why my boys passed them onto each other - by sharing a towel etc..

Another massive culprit I have thought about (after over analysing this) is a bath towel might be left in bathroom and a DS dries his hands on it after washing them after loo - obviously not a good idea to have hands dried on a towel that's been used on someone else's bottom!!! (cringe!)

Anyway what I am gonna try to do is sort my head out to accepting that we might get reinfected but that that's ok. If we sort our hygiene out so it's better (but not ott) then that should help us not to be riddled!!! Tablets will sort it in future.. I just need to work towards getting to this point in my mind as I still feel quite obsessed with getting rid of them forever!! Hopefully in a few weeks I will feel better!

Still worried about DSs and that I have given them too much medication - cant understand why the prescribed dose seems so much different in Europe to in uk?

Thanks all again. Good luck to those who are also blitzing worms at the mo!

x

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 23-Oct-12 22:31:26

they can hang about in other areas like

vagina
uterus
liver
lungs
stomach
pelvic peritoneeum

but its rather rare unless its the vagina.

to the apsolute best of my knowledge i am unaware of any case any where in the world that a bout of thread worms has caused a mc (im so sorry for your loss but please compleatly put this type of self blame away it didnt cause it)

as far as i am aware the most serious things they can cause are insominia,bed wetting, discomfort, and secondary skin infections due to scratching and sometimes the squits but no nothing worse.

re over dosing a 2 year old vermox is basicly the same as ovex as the active stuff is the same type, keep an eye out for any rashes swollen lips, stomach upsett other than normal squits due to sweetener, fever or tummy pain. see a docter if he gets these.

if he bleeds when he poos (dark blood not bright red) or has a allergic reaction take him to a&e.

but dont fret short term od issues are very very very rare its od's over time like years that cause more probs. seriously dont fret

Mumof3darlings Tue 23-Oct-12 22:32:34

Fuckadoo - good on ya for telling people! I wish I was so brave. I have told 2 people so far - my sons teacher and a friend with 2 kids - both looked horrified and said they had never seen them before!! This has made me embarrassed to tell others.

As someone else commented, it's bloody worrying that a school teacher of 4 year olds would not know much about this!

x

Mumof3darlings Tue 23-Oct-12 22:34:44

Thanks so much sock! You know soooo much !! Well done ! Thank you x x

FredWorms Tue 23-Oct-12 22:35:21

Coooooooeeeeeeeee!

<<pops out waving>>

fuckadoodlepoopoo Tue 23-Oct-12 22:39:30

The kids are still young, another few years and most of them will have had it.

You need to stop beating yourself up about cleanliness. It really doesn't matter if they get worms occasionally, its just one of those things.

None of the things you describe are disgusting, just normal in a family home. I get the impression that this has triggered off some anxiety in you and you need to be careful it doesn't escalate. Been there done that and its not pretty.

The teacher probably hasn't heard of it much because people keep quiet about it.

I was told that the most common way to catch them is children at school holding hands after one has scratched their bum. Nothing you can do about that! And you wouldn't want to anyway because they are just being kids and having fun.

Mumof3darlings Tue 23-Oct-12 22:47:07

Totally agree fuck (nice username!) you are so right that this has triggered some pretty awful anxiety. I have been close to tears since this happened. Thankfully I recognized that it had taken a hold of me and I am now trying to take control of my anxiety before it takes control of me! Thank u :-) x

DownyEmerald Tue 23-Oct-12 23:08:52

I think there must be something wrong with me, I just don't find it disgusting.

Did get them as a child - but I mainly remember because of the medicine. Think it was supposed to be raspberry flavoured, and I had an apple and raspberry J2O in the pub the other day, and I could barely get it down. Just the smell brought back the memory.

Ovex MUCH better.

I have changed all beds, pjs, clean pants every morning here anyway. I refuse to deep clean etc. I'm not convinced it will make much difference and sorry, life is too short. It's bad enough with the extra washing in this weather.

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 23-Oct-12 23:09:26

mumof.
blush parisites that live on/in humans was one of my weird obsesions when i was a teenager much to the disgust of anybody at all who was forced to endure my hour long verbal tiraids about the matter, my poor helper at school used to come away from every support session with me itching like mad and i once point blank refused to do any work at all unless she let me check her hair, i was in my element if the school matron would let me watch the mass head checks blush

exexpat Tue 23-Oct-12 23:20:28

OP - I can see why you are now getting anxious about cleanliness - I think everybody's first reaction to finding worms would be ewwww! - but there is a lot of evidence now that excessive cleanliness, and attempting to stop children being exposed to germs and dirt is counterproductive - it's healthy for them. Even having worms occasionally might actually be good for their immune system.

This article in Wired is quite an interesting read on the subject: Parasites, modern life and immune systems gone haywire.

I'm a bit surprised at all these reports of teachers who don't realise that a good proportion of children in their classes will have threadworms at any given time, but I suppose they don't go round inspecting bottoms with torches... And they probably don't cover this stuff on PGCE courses. I think if you asked any pharmacist how much worm medication they sell it would give you a better idea, but would still be an underestimate, as many people won't realise they've got them.

midseasonsale Wed 24-Oct-12 01:13:18

I think I had a couple of cloves each day for a week. It was god damned awful though!

mathanxiety Wed 24-Oct-12 01:44:47

I wish I was so brave. I have told 2 people so far - my sons teacher and a friend with 2 kids - both looked horrified and said they had never seen them before!! This has made me embarrassed to tell others.

They are lying through their teeth. They have all had them. They have all seen them. They all know exactly what you are talking about.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Wed 24-Oct-12 02:55:07

Nope. He doesn't lick the carpet samples. He DOES however have a habit of holding hands with another DC at school (also Autistic) that IS a sensation seeker, still mouthing things at 8yo.

I know WHERE it's coming from, but the habit is not my DS's to break!

(Have tried breaking the hand holding habit, not getting too far, it's his only real friend).

I just boil wash everything and treat every 3 months. Seems to keep the wriggles at bay.

Haven't had to treat 20mo DS3 yet, but he isn't really a DC that puts things in his mouth, not a nail biter, thumb sucker or a chewer, and has shown no signs of having them even when DS2 has had them.

Will start routinely treating him every 3 months at pre-school age, as I have with the others.

I have epilepsy, routine treating every 3 months with Ovex has never affected me. Can't use Pripsen though, that DOES bring on a seizure.

DoubleDoubleTwigletTrouble Wed 24-Oct-12 06:38:24

OP, there are actually two different dosages of Vermox, according to what type of worm you have. Threadworms are a one-off dose but there are other types of worms where you take more Vermox, so I'm sure you are all ok.

This page has doses

changeforthebetter Wed 24-Oct-12 06:55:12

Sympathies from me too! Dds both had them a couple of times. I think poor handwashing at school is the culprit. I keep their nails very short too. Really its normal if gross. You treat the problem. I think like the dreaded headlice, lots of parents are a bit ignorant about how infection occurs and assume an infestation is somehow a sign of inherent dirtiness. Take a deep breath. <un MN but hygienic hug>

fuckadoodlepoopoo Wed 24-Oct-12 08:00:57

Op. I think for me it triggered off some gut instinct. Something to do with the little fuckers infested in my child, my off spring! It triggered a protection and disgust thing. I hadn't realised what was wrong as every time i checked there was nothing there and then all of sudden one time i checked and there were about 20 all poking out the poor innocent little bum all looking around! It was so freaky and made me angry and disgusted that they were doing that to my baby!

Only just got out of bed so not so good with the words right now but Im sure you know what i mean!

IneedAsockamnesty Wed 24-Oct-12 09:25:40

couthy.

for the eggs to get inside him,they apsolutly have to go in his mouth and they wont get there by themselves.
another child who does mouth things will not infect him due to there habbit unless they are putting there fingers in his mouth.or he is transfering something they have touched into his mouth.

is it possible that this boy is? that may be something that the school could deal with.

my dd used to get them loads i couldnt understand it because she was not a mouther at all, bah found out she was eating chalk from the art room loads. hid chalk she hasnt had them since.

notenoughsocks Wed 24-Oct-12 10:25:18

We've all had worms (twice now). I was only alterted to them when DS had a course of anti-bios it seemed to sort of flush them out. The whole family gets wormed and we wash our sheets and towels. That's it.

Personally, I am not in the slightest concerned or upset by it (oddly DP is a bit grossed out). I remember having worms as a kid and knew they were quite common. However, I do keep quiet about it after I casually mentioned it to a friend . Despite obviously doing her best to conceal her disgust, she didn't come too near my DS or my home for a bit.

kateecass Wed 24-Oct-12 10:53:31

DH did go to look at DSs bottom last night, but DS woke up so he didn't look. But guess who couldn't get to sleep due to an itchy bottom?!! I think I was imagining it really as I'd spent too long reading this thread, but I'm thinking about giving us all a dose even though we dont really have the symptoms.

So, if I do this how do I do it? Do I just give us a dose and do I have to do all the cleaning? We are going away to a holiday cottage on Sunday would it be a bad idea or a good idea to do it then. We will be staying with my 4 young nephews. Do you have to do the redose?

Elibean Wed 24-Oct-12 10:54:22

Pretty sure dd1 had them when I was pg with dd2 - I got totally obsessed (pregnancy anxiety, aaaargh) and washed everything and everyone in sight. Was convinced I had them too, and obstetrician let me take Piperazine (Pripsen), mostly to deal with my head blush

Since then, have got more laid back but will treat us all with Ovex once every half-term. Many of my mum friends do the same - and yes, we talk about it, and the more you talk about it the braver other people get about talking too!

I've never actually seen one....and so hope I never do....but am sure they've been around a few times. dd2's best friend had them definitely when we were on holiday with his family - lots of sheet and towel washing, Ovex all round, and that was that.

By the way, the stuff in Ovex does almost nothing to the body - it is barely absorbed through the gut. It kills the worms, but honestly don't worry - whoever it was who was worrying - its a very harmless medicine, and has been trialled on pregnant and breastfeeding women in other countries.

Elibean Wed 24-Oct-12 10:55:00

YES katee - do the re-dose! That would be my hottest tip. Never forget to re-dose two weeks later.

permaquandry Wed 24-Oct-12 11:11:10

Ok, so dds have them. Completely symptomless, I only checked because I need to worm the puppy, did a search for advice and found the earlier large thread (hmm). I now have:

- Treated whole family
- Stripped all beds and put in black sacks to wash
- cleaned electric toothbrush (we all have one) with an antibacterial wipe and rinsed head in boiling water (they are all new)
- emptied whole Washbin and sorted into separate sacks
- removed Washbin linen inserts ready to wash
- put all bed teddies and bed items that can't be washed (head bumpers etc) into black sacks and will put them in the garage for 3 weeks
- scrubbed the bathrooms, sink, baths, toilets (obv)
- instructed the kids to wash hands thoroughly, after toilet/before food, do not touch their bums (they dont usually)
- put kitchen towel in bathrooms to use instead of towels(save the washing) after hand wash.
- am cleaning the toilets after every use.
- am going to Hoover and wet dust the bedrooms, under the beds too.

I clean kitchen surfaces at least 3 times a day anyway but will do again Then Hoover and mop whole house and wash bedding again in 2 days.

I rang school and they seemed shocked, I'm convinced that people don't tell them.

Do I need to do anything else? I think I'm going to dose them in 2 weeks anyway.

Is this overkill?

kateecass Wed 24-Oct-12 11:18:59

I will do it I just want to check what happens to any worms when you take it. Do they just come out in the poo? Any other symptoms. I'd probably be best doing it before we go away with young nephews wouldn't I? Sorry, being a bit thick.

Meeting with some good mum friends later this week, will broach subject. Sure it's come up before when drunk, but never at school!

My DC are now 13, 16 and 17 and I can't remember the last time I had to buy Ovex but when they were younger we did have a few bouts of it, including me.

Have to say though...taking Ovex and and few stern words about hand washing and not putting fingers in mouths did the trick...never ever not once did I embark on a deep cleaning frenzy, never even occurred to me and they always went away anyway.

Really interesting to read about the raw carrot being a preventative thing...my DS (now 16) was a fussy little git eater and never touched any vegetable except carrot sticks when he was little so I naturally forced him to eat them every day. I'm really struggling to remember if he actually ever had threadworms or if it was just the girls...shall I ask him when he gets back from school? wink He also never got nits, lucky bugger.

Anyway I am now more than making up for the years of non-blitzing-the-house-frenzy since looking after a friend's cat for 2 weeks in the summer. House has been flea infested ever since and I can't get rid of the little feckers.

Bunsouttheoven Wed 24-Oct-12 15:10:48

I have themblush noticed my dd itching her bum yesterday & thought actually my bum has been a bit itchy at night. Upon investigation last night I have themblushblush Hardly slept a wink between bf 6 month old, worrying about not being able to take meds/having to find the extra time to clean & my itchy bum!
Waiting for a call back from gp re meds & breastfeeding. I can't wait 6 weeks,I'm Barely getting enough sleep without itching. Bf network has a link www.breastfeedingnetwork.org.uk/pdfs/Threadworms_Treatment_and_Breastfeeding_March_2009.pdf that seems to say it's probably ok. Anyone got any experience?
My plan of attack is
Bag soft toys & put them in the loft for 3 weeks
Wash bedding
Hoover beds & wet dust
Clean bathroom etc mop floors
Baths every morning, clean pants pjs everyday.
Trim nails
I'm trying to keep it in perspective but it seems alt to do with dcs (6yrs, 3yrs, 6 months) 3 year old has just potty trained to is constantly whipping his pants down for a wee or poo. Dd has 4 wobbly teeth & cannot keep her hands off them.
Are we destined to have threadworms forever or do I just need some sleep & it will seem less terrible. I need to get a grip don't I?

Elibean Wed 24-Oct-12 15:26:12

Poor Buns smile

Yes, you need some sleep. I took Pripsen (piperazine, not mebendazole) when pregnant (on advice of very senior obstetrician) and when breastfeeding. All fine.

Your plan is fine, lots of hand washing, plenty of meds for everyone, repeat dose (I repeated at one week, two weeks and three weeks because I was utterly paranoid - with no ill effects) and change sheets, towels and clothes after you administer meds.

Repeat after me: it will be fine, this is temporary, meds kill the things. Good luck!

Elibean Wed 24-Oct-12 15:28:20

perma, re-dose - its not overkill (though cleaning frenzies probably are, IMO!) because there may be eggs/larvae in their/your bodies right now that are too immature to be killed by first treatment. The second treatment will get them before they are mature enough to lay eggs and start the whole cycle again....

sensiblebev Wed 24-Oct-12 15:36:12

40% of under tens have them at any one time.

booboomonster Wed 24-Oct-12 18:19:31

Just in case anyone's interested. I saw consultant today who said that I could take mebendazole but not until after 13 weeks pregnant, and "the later the better" and to only take one dose. I'm only 11 weeks anyway, so I'm going to wait and see they go by their own accord (with hygiene method) and if I get desperate have the meds on standby. Sorry I don't know about breastfeeding as I didn't ask (I am hoping to have got rid of them by then, please God!). Good luck to all the new sufferers.

CaseyShraeger Wed 24-Oct-12 18:43:24

I looked up mebendazole last time I was pregnant - definitely a bad idea in first trimester, probably fine in third (but I'd only take it then if I had them, not if other family members had them), no evidence of any issues with breastfeeding.

Bunsouttheoven Wed 24-Oct-12 19:45:18

Ok so I probably have lost the plot a bit.

Gp gave me mebendazole also for dd 6yrs & ds 3yrs. Not going to give the 6 month old anything.

Need sleep then will tackle tomorrow. Unsure about giving dd/ds the meds before school/preschool. I remember taking pripsen as a child, had to rush out of assembly for fear of pooing myself. Went home with terrible tummy ache. I don't want my kids to have similar experience so am considering waiting to treat until the week end. However, desperately want to begin getting rid. Any thoughts?

CaseyShraeger Wed 24-Oct-12 21:01:50

Mebendazole works differently from Pripsen, so no need to worry about that. Just treat them ASAP.

IneedAsockamnesty Wed 24-Oct-12 21:05:29

mebendazone kills the worms contains no senna

pripsen paralizes them and contains senna to help you get rid of them

so dont fret about that

Mumof3darlings Wed 24-Oct-12 22:05:55

Sock - you are our resident expert! Is there anything you can include in your diet permanently to keep the buggers away?

x

IneedAsockamnesty Wed 24-Oct-12 22:24:33

not anything that passes scientific inspection however some people who are into that sort of thing swear by

fresh coconut grated
coconut milk
raw carrot
dried pumpkin seeds
dried cucumber seeds
raw papaya juice mixed with honey
fresh crushed garlic.

but most of these require you to eat large quantities and wash them down with a mixture of caster oil and warm milk.

so i personally wouldnt be prepared to try it for very long,i think i would rather have worms grin

Seenenoughtoknow Wed 24-Oct-12 23:32:51

OP - you really are not alone in this, but I would take your youngest to a doctor to check out the whether the overdose is dangerous or not. On the medication details online it said that rather than the 500mg dose, a 100mg dose should be given to under 2's, so check again what you gave him and try to see a doctor who speaks English. Best of luck, and well done on bringing this all to light!! smile

mathanxiety Thu 25-Oct-12 03:32:01

When you do laundry, wear rubber gloves for handling and sorting the dirty laundry, those doing the deep clean -- that goes for stripping the beds too.

mumtoaandj Thu 25-Oct-12 07:43:32

Can you breathe the eggs in? we have an attic cupboard and whenever we go up there to search for something-i swear we get reinfected? there is no way we can disinfect the entire cupboard-it is a loft space. we have thrown out the carpet...is it just coincidence?

Bienchen Thu 25-Oct-12 09:16:00

^The eggs have to get into your intestines, breathing them in will do no harm. It is most likely they get picked up by touching something that has been touched by someone having threadworms, by scratching yourself when you sleep and can't control your urge to scratch (hence the tight fitting pants) and then by touching your mouth or touching food and eating. They then get into your digestive system and on into the intestine where they grow until they are mature and want to lay eggs. Hence they emerge.

IneedAsockamnesty Thu 25-Oct-12 17:53:31

in therory it is possible to breathe them in but to be honest its so unlikly that if some one told me thats how they kept on getting reinfected i would laugh at them or think they were very very very weirdly so unlucky or possibly waving loo roll infront of there mouth after wiping there bum and inhaling really hard intentionally.

think of it this way. female thread worms release an enzime from there bodies as they lay eggs this is duel purpose it helps provide a nice enviroment for the eggs and acts a bit like glue as well as contributing towards the itch.

so for you to breathe in a egg that can hatch in your intestine would require a fairly good shake of what ever the item is on a reasonable breath in and then for it to get stuck somewhere along the way before it goes past the entrance to your lungs and then wait untill you swollow.

thinking about it that way does kinda highlight how unlikly it would be to get repeatedly infected this way.

its also extreamly unlikly that anybody could pin point with reasonable accuracy when/who/how they got infected unless ofcourse they occasionally indulged in eating used loo roll and even they they would have to do it very irregularly to know for sure exactly when they ingested the egg.

with regard to your cupboard as long as the items in it have been washed or untouched for about 3 weeks then i would feel pretty happy to say its probally very safe.

Mumof3darlings Thu 25-Oct-12 20:19:47

I have to say after starting this post I have started to feel a little bit better about this episode which i can quite honestly say, as ridiculous as it sounds, has been my biggest challenge pf parenthood so far. I have been so freaked out, upset and stressed about this incident which I know was very close to sending me into a state of depression of not bring about OCD which was really scary because I never ever imagined I could become like this. I have recognized the signs and thank all of you who have chatted with me about this and please let's keep chatting and I am trying to get back to normal family life.

My Ongoing my plan is:
We now each have our own towels and when washed (after about 3 days) they are gonna be done on a hot wash.

Kids wear nappies for bed with pjs on top.

Fingernails are cut short always (so need doing every few days - sisscors kept near bath so don't as part of bath time routine

Hands washed when come in from school/playing at friends, after loo & before eating

Bottoms washed first thing morning as are hands (this is a bit of a pain in the bottom because mornings are always rushed but heyho will get used to it!

Hand towels ALWAYS used for drying hands.

Also thinking about giving kids worm treatment every 3 months

But I can't do the following (which I honestly have had to give myself a good talking to because of the anxiety this has built up):

Stop my kids catching threadworms!

Stop my kids putting their hands on their mouths ever (although DS age 4 can encourage him but can't stop him doing it all the time)

Stop my kids holding hands with other kids

Stop my kids being kids, basically!

I can say that for several days now (5 maybe) I have not looked up a bottom at night although I am still examining the contents of DS1's nappy. Not sure if that's normal behavior or not.

I don't wanna be OTT but I want to try to prevent worms again as much as I can. At least next time (as I'm sure there will be) I will know I definately did my best.

Thanks for all of your support and good luck to others.

I appreciated all the replies.. Those who said "it's no big deal and not gross" made me feel much better as put it into perspective and made it feel less serious, those who said they were with me and also "freaked out" were also of huge support knowing that I'm not the
only one who has reacted in this way.

x

IneedAsockamnesty Thu 25-Oct-12 21:59:57

hurrrrrahhhhhhhh

my work here is done grin

and your plan sounds like a good one accepting the things you cannot change (and shouldnt) is always a good thing

lucasnorth Fri 26-Oct-12 22:05:16

Just discovered we have it for 3rd time in 2 yrs angry Good to see I'm not alone!

Question for you more knowledgable folks - does hot washing make any difference? There's so much contradictory stuff on the internet, but there seems a school of thought that the eggs are so hardcore that freezing/heat/antibac makes no difference; you just need to rinse thoroughly enough to wash them down the plug.

What does Mumsnet reckon?

IneedAsockamnesty Fri 26-Oct-12 23:20:44

this is jmho but im pretty sure that washing any higher than 60 is not needed for many things that people insist need it inc worms.unless you are running an empty maintainance load or its bedding

i would always make sure laundry is rinsed well anyway as it makes stuff last longer. detergent can bog down fabric make it smell weird rinsing help prevent that.

i dont think the eggs are that hardcore imho any creature that has to lay 100's of eggs in a few days does so mainly due to mortality rates, now if they lay say 2 each i would be frightoned to death and think they would possibly take over the world.

disclaimer..... i am not a scientist i just have a morbid fasination with human parisites

lucasnorth Fri 26-Oct-12 23:34:42

Thanks pixie (and what have you done with all Dd1s socks btw?! They vanish one by one...)

Kids bedding claims 40 degree wash only and don't want to chuck it all away, so will carry on with extra rinse cycle and cross fingers...

mathanxiety Sat 27-Oct-12 04:02:29

A dryer would possibly nuke them..

Bunsouttheoven Sat 27-Oct-12 10:38:03

I have to say I have had the same thoughts as sock. Yes surely if it lays that many eggs it is because the vast majority will perish. Also it says they thrive in a moist environment but surely dust is not a moist environment?

I am washing what I can at 60 & doing an extra rinse on any 40 degree loads.

I am calming down about it all because I am bloody knackered & a bit lazy we will keep up the hand & bum washing. Only eating in the kitchen & keeping the kitchen/ bathrooms super clean. If they come back we'll medicate again. As grim as they are, in the scheme of health issues a family can have threadworms are of no consequence.

permaquandry Sat 27-Oct-12 10:52:31

I've added a separate thread but......I'm gutted, just relaxing slightly re mental OCD scrubbing/washing etc and dd2 gone for a poo and there was a very much alive worm. All fam had ovex 72 hours ago (just under).

Checked last night and neither dds had any round bum.

Please tell me this is normal and because so evident, maybe was hanging around in back passage and ovex not 'got to it'? Never seen one in her poo before so obvious and on the outside, maybe it's a final one being carried down?

Was Going to ovex again this morn, but pharmacist said not to and to check tonight and tomo and take to ooh docs if still present.

Dd2 had her ovex diluted in milkshake, could that be why? Please help!

FannyFifer Sat 27-Oct-12 11:27:02

Ovex didn't work for my DD, I bought Prispen which paralysed them, then had a major laxative effect which cleared everything out, was pretty horrific the amount that came out.
Kept up the cleaning for a few days a d there has been no sign since.

mathanxiety Sat 27-Oct-12 19:57:22

Permaquandary -- you all have to take a second dose a fortnight after the first to take care of the entire life cycle.

glassyh Sun 04-Nov-12 20:22:28

Am I too late to add to this threadworm thread? We have them. DCs and I took Ovex yesterday am. How will I know when it has worked - will we see dead worms coming out in poo?

FayKnights Sun 04-Nov-12 20:29:59

My youngest had it last month, I emailed the school so they could let the other parents know. The school secretary was very blasé and convinced me that it was very common, felt much better after that. Try and keep nails short.

narmada Sun 04-Nov-12 22:52:36

Is there some sort of outbreak of abnormal proportions at the moment?!?! We have them and Ovex doesn't seem to be doing much, eek. Maybe I will go and get the Pripsen and see if that sees them off!

booboomonster Thu 20-Dec-12 16:00:20

Just wanted to update in case there is anyone pregnant with threadworms who is fretting about whether they will ever go without meds... mine did eventually go, without the meds, after about 10 weeks. I kept up hygiene methods, scrubbing hands frequently, had my own towel away from the DCs, wearing underwear in bed, washing bedclothes weekly (though not at high temp, just well rinsed), etc etc.

Mumto2andmaybeonedue Fri 11-Jan-13 01:10:12

booboomonster you have just made my night!!!
Without tmi I have def got the dreaded thread worms and as yet can only assume my girls have them..... But I may be pregnant and have been majorly stressing, so major deep cleaning tomorrow now and gonna try hygiene method til I find out for sure if I am next wk!! If not its meds away for me, but if I am I shall be eating pumpkin seeds and cleaning like a Trojan!!
Thanks so much for posting this tho, as I have really been freaking out!! Hence surfing the net at this silly hour!!!

Mumto2andmaybeonedue Sat 12-Jan-13 12:12:37

Permaquandary - it might be that you put it with Milk, if water based product the milk might not work with it..... I only know that as when talking to a pharmacist about putting antibiotics in milk or a yoghurt as my eldest daughter wouldn't ever take it, and she said it was water based and that milk/ dairy could break down the medicine and it might not work.... Don't quote me on this but it makes sense really....
I hope you are all clear now x

booboomonster Mon 14-Jan-13 00:00:28

Glad to help mumto2! Good luck with the preg test and the worms!

lisata Mon 21-Jan-13 22:20:12

Dosed the whole family and did endless laundry today /-: We have had them twice this year. For those wondering apparently they are more common in winter months. The chemist said that they always seem to have a rush in the second week of term ... I bought the last pack of own brand Boots tablets today... so clearly there are others around who are buying it!!

Funny that it is such a taboo.

rainbowsprite1 Thu 31-Jan-13 21:02:04

I have just tried to dose my 2 DD's (age 5 & 6) with Ovex, they can swallow tablets & when they chewed them as the packet suggested they both gagged & couldnt get any of it down. that was the quickest waste of £8 I've done for a while. can anyone suggest any better tasting meds or a good way of getting the tablets into small children??

rainbowsprite1 Thu 31-Jan-13 21:02:28

sorry - they CANT swallow tablets....

onyx72 Thu 31-Jan-13 21:06:31

This thread makes me feel better. DS (4) was scratching his bottom a lot last week. I joked that he might have wriggly worms, had a look ... and I saw a worm shock.
All the family has been dosed with Ovex and yes, I've been doing a lot of laundry!

livinginthesticksoutthere Mon 04-Feb-13 10:34:46

I have soooooooo missed the symptoms with my DD2 who is 6. She complained for weeks of having a sore vagina, which went away after 20 minutes or so. I can't tell you how often I had to whip the torch out to have a look. Everything looked honkey dorey. She'd feel better when I put some sudocreme on it. Never any issues or belly ache during the day. Only at the weekend did I saw the first worm crawling out. I am so grossed out, I cleaned nonstop the following day from 10 in the morning until 2 at night (mainly my 18 year old daughters' room) and continued for another few hours the next day. I have an 18 year old, whose room is a health hazard with half of her clothes permanently living on the floor. I treated all of us with Vermox, my DH initially refused until he saw the look in my face. I have a large number of black binliners with 18 year olds clothing waiting to be washed, I am washing all the duvets (thankful for a big washing machine) and every scrap of clothing that was out at the time. I march my DD2 to the bathroom in the morning to have a shower before breakfast. We traditionally did the evening bath. My hands are chapped. I went through a litre of bleach and a full container of "kills mostly everything on contact" stuff.
We had a mouse in the house a few months ago, and you'd think I went mad then with the cleaning. When I read about the eggs floating in the air, that made me want to just move out of the house and leave forever. Having a cup of brew before tackling wash #16. Only another 10 to go...

MrsFlorrick Wed 15-Jan-14 18:01:50

Worms everywhere!!!!

We've got them too!!

Everyone had their worming tablet last night and the house has been scrubbed and hoovered.

Laundry on high temp and machine has been going ten to the dozen today.

Worm o Rama!!!!

Scary thought..... Do we all know each other?? shock (Looks around nervously). wink

Is there a "worm season"??

Join the discussion

Join the discussion

Registering is free, easy, and means you can join in the discussion, get discounts, win prizes and lots more.

Register now