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5mo with awful trapped wind - please suggest something O haven't already tried!

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DS has always been windy, by which I mean you can hear bubbling in his tummy and feel it when holding him. At night it is so bad that you can be several feet away and still hear a groaning sort of noise from his tummy.

When he was tiny we put it down to his tongue tie, which we had cut at 13 days. He also has an upper lip tie but apparently nothing can be done about that. It doesn't affect his latch and he's gaining weight well as far as I know (I don't have him weighed but he's beautifully chubby).

After 3 months of nasal congestion (his breathing sounded like Darth Vader!) and green poo I cut all dairy and soya out of my diet. Within a week both symptoms vanished and nearly 2 months later neither has reappeared. However the wind is still there...

It is now so bad that he can only sleep at night if held, because then I can feed or rock him back to sleep. If he's in his bed he'll lie there asleep, then start writhing (kicking, drawing up his knees, arching and crying) and you cam hear the groaning noise. He'll sleep lying down in my arms and feed, but won't sleep in bed. He won't sleep in my bed - he doesn't like feeding when I'm lying down and just wants to play.

The GP said it was reflux and prescribed gaviscon, but all that achieved was turning his poo into playdoh which was very uncomfortable for him to pass. We've

Stupid fat fingers posted too soon! And typed the title wrong. blush

We've tried winding him every way we can think of, including over a shoulder, lying down across our knees, lying down a forearm, sitting up, leaning forward and rotating... We've tried every wind/colic remedy we found find, including infacol, colief, dentinox and fennel tea. We tried swaddling him. We tried not swaddling him. I tried feeding him upright. Nothing makes any difference.

Help!

Debs75 Fri 08-Jun-12 18:49:51

So going back to basics, do you wind him after a feed? A really good way to wind, especially if they don't like the back patting is to hold them under their arms and let them sway gently. It helps stretch/lengthen their body and can be good for getting wind up. If wind comes up it shouldn't then go through.
Apart from that I am clueless as I didn't wind my 4, partly through laziness and mostly because they weren't very windy

I haven't tried that one, thank you! I'll give it a go later, although I imagine it'll wake him up. But if it works it's worth it!

ZhenThereWereTwo Fri 08-Jun-12 18:58:47

lactose intolerance? try colief drops. My husband and DD1 have this and get incredibly windy unless they have lactose free milk. You can express a small amount of milk and give with the drops before a feed to see if it makes a difference.

ZhenThereWereTwo Fri 08-Jun-12 19:02:41

Sorry just saw you had tried colief.

My winding tip is the didgeridoo:

Holding on knee or in tiger in tree hold put your mouth to his back exactly where stomach would be. Open mouth wide and breath out warm air whilst making low sound like didgeridoo. Alternate with patting and rubbing in whatever position you find best.

Also cranial osteopathy is meant to be good for these things, but take extra nappies and changes of clothes as I have heard that they do monster poos afterwards.

ReportMeNow Fri 08-Jun-12 19:07:31

Some suggestions:

Wind often, not just at the end or in the middle but every few minutes.

Bath with you/OH, tummy to tummy, as warm as can take it and then on his back with some baby massage. Baby massage, clockwise, flats of hand and then bringing his knees up to his tummy.

Popping him in a sling in the day so your movement helps it come up and warmth helps ease the pain

An Amby Nest for sleeping?

Good suggestions Zhen, thank you. I'm making notes here! grin

Report he practically lives in the sling during the day - will google Amby nests. Thanks.

Ok, two questions about Amby nests. Are they safe when a baby rolls? And how much? confused

ReportMeNow Fri 08-Jun-12 19:21:15

Sometimes Gaviscon has the effect of blocking things up, so the wind has no outlet, it just builds - certainly was the case for dc3. A gentle laxative approved by the GP/HV, tummy massage and a spot of Vaseline on the 'exit' might help.

HeathRobinson Fri 08-Jun-12 19:29:05

Not sure if it'll help but one of ours was hard to wind and we found walking upstairs holding her against you, with her looking backwards over your shoulder, iyswim, was really effective.

pod3030 Fri 08-Jun-12 19:42:24

i find the bicycling legs good for my dd, then holding legs to chest to release any trapped wind. also smoothing the tummy just below the navel,with the side of your hand, downwards then again with the legs to chest almost like a crouch position.

AlfieBear87 Fri 08-Jun-12 19:44:56

I've found that sitting baby on your knee facing you, holding them under their arms and gently bobbing them up and down (often accompanied by "horsey horsey don't you stop....") is a good way of getting wind up.

Also good is holding them under the arms and gently pull them upwards to open up the ribcage a bit - gives the wind room to move.

The other thing we found effective is lying baby on your knees (on their back) with legs closest to you, then doing bicycle movements with their legs.

Baby massage classes are often quite good at teaching different ways to get up wind. One is to do small circular movements using the flat fingertips of 2 fingers (applying very gentle pressure) in a circle around the belly button in a clockwise direction. I think you'll be able to find a better explanation if you Google it!

Good luck, the wind does seem to get better as they get older!

PoppyWearer Fri 08-Jun-12 19:52:39

Oh, you have my sympathy OP!

I second the baby massage suggestion.

We used to give DD a warm bath in a tummy tub before bed. She would usually poo in the bath, but it seemed to help. Followed by a baby massage.

With DS (DC2) as soon as he could roll over, he started sleeping on his front, bum in air. He farts a LOT in his sleep, but he sleeps better for it (now 9mo).

I know all the SIDS advice about front-sleeping, but...

rockinhippy Fri 08-Jun-12 19:54:54

Are you BFing ?? if so it could be down to YOUR diet - I had the same problem with my own DD & was advised to cut out any LAYERED foods this means everything that grows in layers - from onions to lettuce

Also chemical food additives can also pass through into breast milk & cause skin & stomach trouble - benzoate preservatives, MSG & artificial sweeteners are the worse for tiny stomachs

I tried everything, even specialist baby massage etc nothing really worked 100% - Cutting these out of MY diet had my own DD right as rain over night

Shesparkles Fri 08-Jun-12 19:55:34

If you have stairs in your house what helped my kids was to hold them upright against you shoulder and go downstairs very jerkily, kind of jumping down each stair. Obviously supporting their head and back, but so you got a good 'jolt' as you went down each stair.
Sorry you're going through this, it's hellish for the baby and for you.

NatashaBee Fri 08-Jun-12 20:00:02

PoppyWearer - in the US we are told it's OK if they are able to roll back again.

I also found that holding underarms and swinging legs back and forth worked well, as did bicycling legs (that also gets bowels moving though so don't do it during nappy off time) grin Also found rubbing his back and extending my hand round to his sides and almost massaging his sides worked well when he was tiny.

Lots of great suggestions here, thank you!

Poppy he can't roll back yet, only from his back to his sides and onto his back again, but as soon as he can I may try that.

rockin yes, he's breastfed. I've already cut out all dairy and soya, rarely eat onion or lettuce and cook from scratch as much as possible but will check ingredients on everything for the things you've mentioned.

Thanks again everyone, I shall be trying your suggestions over the coming days and weeks. smile

rockinhippy Fri 08-Jun-12 20:20:55

Ok thats good, easier to find the culprit & I was surprised how much difference it made, my problem turned out to be a tiny bit of lettuce in a sandwhich

look out for - Leek, onion, Scallions etc, Sprouts, any type of cabbage, any lettuce etc -

Also I forgot - spicey foods can also cause problems -

& if none of this works, it could be lactose or dairy intolerance, though from what I know, thats more likely if you or Dad have any problems with it

good luck & hope you find something that helps, I remember too well how miserable it is to see them in so much pain sad

narmada Sat 09-Jun-12 20:41:32

Bit of a puzzle, eh?? I wonder if there's something else dietary going on.

Are you totally rigorous about the dairy and soy avoidance - e.g., no soy leicithin, whey powder, no mammalian (e.g., goats, sheep's milk or milk products of any kind??

I think the wind thing (e.g., swallowing wind and not being able to bring it up) is probably a red herring unless of course he is swallowing large volumes of air on account of his lip tie. IIRC most intestinal gas is produced by gut flora, not by swallowing air.

Do you by any chance have a massive oversupply of milk (e.g., huge chubby baby, continuiously greeny-coloured poos, milk spurting everywhere??). oversupply of milk can cause baby to ingest large quantities of lactose rich milk although you might think the colief would have sorted it out if so...

narmada Sat 09-Jun-12 20:42:52

Just read another post on someone else's thread which suggests cutting out caffeine. Might be worth a try?

Sneezecakesmama Sat 09-Jun-12 21:33:48

I agree with Narmada. Swallowing air is a bit of a red herring. Many societies have never winded babies. I would go with some kind of food intolerance and do an exclusion diet being very careful to take extra vits and minerals, especially vit d if you are cutting dairy.

Thanks for your suggestions and comments. smile

narmada I am very strict about cutting out dairy and soya, and check the ingredients of everything I buy for soya lecithin, whey powder etc. And I don't have caffeine, sadly! I do have problems with oversupply and rapid letdown but DS isn't massive, about average size I guess, and the green poo disappeared when I cut out dairy and soya. I have been block feeding since DS was tiny and often let the milk spray into a muslin or breastpad at the start of a feed so DS doesn't drown! confused Maybe I should try colief again, it's been a while.

Sneeze I take a calcium+vitD supplement atm, although I do occasionally forget. How should I go about an exclusion diet? Especially as DS is pretty much ready for weaning now (onto solids I mean, not weaning off BM!).

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