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Children's health

I want to storm into the hospital and shove something spiky and painful up the consultant's arse

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iwouldgoouttonight · 03/03/2015 11:21

[Disclaimer: I am not advocating violence against healthcare professionals]

DS (8) has chronic constipation and as a result has overflow soiling. He's not been reliably continent with wee or poo since potty training, and as he gets older, the harder it is for him to deal with, and it can be horrible for him at school - bullying, etc.

I've asked at the last two appointments with the consultant whether he can be referred to see a psychologist because, although we're getting the physical problem under control, it will take a long time for the wetting and soiling accidents to stop and his bowel to get back to normal, and DS is struggling emotionally. Its really knocked his confidence, as you'd expect, and he has huge issues with talking to anyone about it, even us. He would rather sit covered in poo than draw attention to himself to go and get changed (which apparently is a normal reaction) but its becoming an issue because poo is leaking out of his trousers and onto chairs, etc which is a major hygiene issue for other children.

The first time we asked for a referral to a psychologist we we told (in front of DS) that he's reacting normally for someone with his condition (fair enough) and we should see some of the other kids who are suicidal - and when DS gets to that stage he'll need a referral Shock

The next time we asked, she said she would refer him, but nothing happened. And at our last appointment (in Nov) she said, good news, she'll refer him and the waiting time is now down to 18 weeks (which is good apparently) so he'll be seen in Jan/Feb by a child's clinical psychologist.

We hadn't heard anything so I've just chased it up. Turns out a referral was never made!

We can never get hold of the consultant - I leave phone messages, texts and emails but its rare to get a reply. We've had so many mixed messages about what treatment DS needs. And although we've been seeing the consultant for over three years, it was only last year they actually x-rayed DS to see what the problem was in his bowel (and faecal impaction was diagnosed). And we only got that x-ray because of advice I'd read on here and the fact that I broke down in tears in front of the consultant saying, why can't he just have an x-ray???

Sorry for the long rant - I just wanted to get it off my chest. I know the NHS is overstretched and we expect to wait for appointments and things, but being told things will happen and then they just don't, is the final straw. Sad Angry

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Andro · 03/03/2015 15:33

I think you should talk to PALS, they are usually pretty good at tidying up sloppy behaviour (not so good with major, life threatening mess ups though).

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iwouldgoouttonight · 03/03/2015 15:58

Do you think Pals would help anything get done any quicker?

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Andro · 03/03/2015 16:41

I found it did make things happen, but I approached it in the format of:

Can you advise me how to make a complaint about x doctor?

They were quick to liaise and try to find a solution which would make the situation 'go away'...of course the only way to make it (and me) go away was to sort the problem out pronto.

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nocoolnamesleft · 06/03/2015 22:32

God, I wish CAMHS would accept referrals for this. I've tried, and they always refuse to see, whatever I put in the letter. Please, please, please, feel free to go picket CAMHS. The odds are that they've refused... and probably not even told your consultant.

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Walkingwounded · 07/03/2015 07:42

Your poor son. pals for sure. They have been brilliant for us, when general medical consultant was not being helpful in getting Ds to see the neurologist he so badly needed. The lady said 99 percent of her work was Opening up channels of communication. I would go to them, say that your soon is not receiving the help he needs, and you want to pursue a complaint. Hopefully,you will get swift results.

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Trazzletoes · 07/03/2015 07:47

Definitely try PALS.

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iwouldgoouttonight · 08/03/2015 18:21

Thanks, I emailed pals and copied in chief exec of hospital, I outlined where we feel we've been let down, there are at least six separate points, and what we would like to happen. Sent it on Thursday, not heard anything yet.

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Walkingwounded · 09/03/2015 10:38

could you ring them? That got an immediate response for us.

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murphys · 09/03/2015 10:46

I am bloody shocked at reading this OP!! I don't live in the UK but i am appalled that a medical doctor has taken 2 years to diagnose a child, and with faecal impactment. (my dd has this also when she was younger). Surely an ultrasound would be the first thing to do.... it was for my dd. Shock

An as an aside, one of the triggering factors for the constipation was stress!!

Is going private an option? You absolutely cannot wait any longer to get this sorted out.

I'm so sorry OP, I would be livid!

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Merlin2015 · 09/03/2015 19:48

I am shocked at reading this, may I ask which hospital please? My son has been badly let down, so I understand your frustration and annoyance

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iwouldgoouttonight · 09/03/2015 21:07

Merlin2015 I'm sorry I'd rather not say which hospital, what I've written so far already makes me quite identifiable. I hope your son manages to get the treatment he needs.

I'm now actually quite annoyed that we've not even had an automated reply from pals, I've double and triple checked that I got their email address right. I'm going to try to call them tomorrow although it's difficult when I'm at work.

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iwouldgoouttonight · 09/03/2015 21:12

murphys we've looked into going privately bit it is shockingly expensive, completely out of our budget unfortunately. And they couldn't give us an actual cost because he'll need various tests and assessments and depending on the results of those may need ongoing treatment. In a way it would be easier if it was one lump sum and we could try to get a loan.

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murphys · 10/03/2015 11:33

Did you manage to get hold of someone today OP?

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yomellamoHelly · 10/03/2015 11:59

Call PALS. May not get through immediately, but they've always called us back as soon as they could and both times it's been resolved within a week.

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Floundering · 10/03/2015 12:11

Can you ask to be referred to another paediatrician,preferably one who specialises in bowel problems?

I would go back to your GP & demand an urgent referral straight away for a second opinion ( still going down the PALS route for a complaint) this consultant is incompetent at best & possibly negligent.

Your poor boy Sad Good for you for going all tiger mama over this.

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iwouldgoouttonight · 10/03/2015 19:49

I phoned pals today and left a message, I've asked them to email me back or leave a voice mail because I'm in meetings all day tomorrow at work. Will see what happens.

In the letter of complaint we asked if we can see another paediatrician as we don't have faith in this one, that was one of our list!

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taxhelpneeded · 10/03/2015 23:47

Hi. Sorry to hear of the problems your son is having and hope you get the treatment he needs soon. In the meantime (and apologies if you've already got loads of material) but there are loads of books on amazon about various soiling problems or perhaps ERIC might have some recommendations?

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iwouldgoouttonight · 12/03/2015 20:25

Argh keep missing pals calls and then when I ring back it goes to voice mail. Just had a letter from them in the past saying they are writing on behalf of the chief exec and they will respond to our complaint in writing within 25 working days. Another month to wait. Angry I'm not at work tomorrow so I'm going be ringing them all day until they answer!

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Becles · 12/03/2015 20:28

Can't the GP refer to the CAMHS service?

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Walkingwounded · 13/03/2015 10:34

I would keep ringing. Once you speak to someone, they do tend to be great.

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iwouldgoouttonight · 13/03/2015 10:44

I've spoken to someone this morning, she said there is nothing they can do immediately, it has to go through the complaints system and 25 working days is the maximum it will take. She said there's nothing else they can do quicker because it has to be investigated. So it seems we just have another month of waiting while DS has to live with it poor thing.

Still haven't even had a reply from the consultant from when I emailed, texted and phoned three weeks ago to say DS was struggling with his current movicol dose and what should we change it to. Sad

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